Park Board · Monday, April 28, 2025 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of March 24, 2025

packet pp.3–4

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 03-24-25 Park Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Park Board 7:00 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave March 24, 2025 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Creeks to Peaks: Three Trails Crossing Art, (I,D)

30 min · Amy Dukes, Cultural Arts Manager Robin Spear, Park Planning and Development Manager · packet pp.5–16

Topics: ParksArts & Culture

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Staff report:

Issaquah Intersection Murals April 6, 2023

Public Art Relocation

Information / Discussion · 30 min · Amy Dukes, Cultural Arts Manager Robin Spear, Park Planning and Development Manager · packet pp.17–22

Topics: Arts & Culture

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Staff report:

REGULAR BUSINESS b) Robin Spear, Park Planning and Development Manager

Capital Improvement Plan Update

20 min · Robin Spear, Park Planning and Development Manager Hasanthi Hoglund, Department Operations Specialist · packet pp.23–28

Topics: Budget

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Staff report:

REGULAR BUSINESS c) Robin Spear, Park Planning and Development Manager Hasanthi Hoglund,

5. REPORTS

Director's Report

Chairperson's Report

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0:16 ↗ I do not know how to do that.

0:22 ↗ >> Okay. So, in theory, we're all

0:24 ↗ >> What is that?

0:26 ↗ >> I think it's maybe your screen. That's

0:29 ↗ what's on your screen.

0:32 ↗ >> Are you sharing?

0:37 ↗ >> You got that? I've never had that

0:38 ↗ happen, but I've had like these warnings

0:40 ↗ about it.

0:41 ↗ >> You're like in the

0:43 ↗ >> infinite mirror.

0:43 ↗ >> Uhhuh. What is I've never ever seen this

0:47 ↗ or have this happen.

0:48 ↗ >> You're You're sharing your screen, which

0:50 ↗ is sharing your screen, which is sharing

0:51 ↗ your screen, which is

0:54 ↗ why Rachel is also not Rachel. And

0:57 ↗ Rachel obviously is gonna be

1:00 ↗ >> there's that.

1:01 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:02 ↗ >> And Albert's I think out of town. Do I

1:04 ↗ join?

1:05 ↗ >> Chris is still out of town, right?

1:07 ↗ >> What does that mean?

1:10 ↗ >> Caroline, Treasure,

1:15 ↗ >> Tracy. Um,

1:18 ↗ yeah Tracy.

1:21 ↗ So, we might only be

1:23 ↗ >> Well, I'm fine.

1:26 ↗ Okay, Amy, I'm really confused.

1:28 ↗ >> What's happening?

1:28 ↗ >> So, no.

1:31 ↗ >> You're sharing.

1:32 ↗ >> So, I'm already sharing.

1:33 ↗ >> Yeah, you're good.

1:36 ↗ >> I don't need to double share.

1:39 ↗ >> That was the double share. Sorry.

1:42 ↗ >> Yeah. No, you're good. And then I'm

1:44 ↗ going to join and just make sure I can

1:46 ↗ share so that I can present from here.

1:50 ↗ But where do I start recording?

1:53 ↗ >> Oh,

1:53 ↗ >> I thought I had to join the mute.

1:56 ↗ >> Did you not join the meeting?

1:58 ↗ >> I did, but that's when I started getting

2:01 ↗ >> the trick.

2:02 ↗ >> And right now you're I'm plugged in.

2:06 ↗ >> Oh, that's why.

2:07 ↗ >> Is that Should I unplug? Um, so

2:11 ↗ are you just

2:15 ↗ Hold on one second. Let me join the

2:16 ↗ meeting and see what I see because I'm

2:19 ↗ not sure if we're seeing what's in the

2:21 ↗ room.

2:21 ↗ >> Okay.

2:22 ↗ >> Or Hold on one sec. Let me join.

2:24 ↗ >> I thought I had to join first.

2:41 ↗ >> Maybe I should comment.

3:06 ↗ Yeah, like you're sharing the recording

3:10 ↗ has not started.

3:12 ↗ Um,

3:14 ↗ if you're on team,

3:19 ↗ >> what about unable?

3:21 ↗ >> Yeah, I'm not sure if you need to be um

3:24 ↗ to it, but you're going to need to join

3:27 ↗ the meeting again.

3:31 ↗ >> Yeah.

3:33 ↗ >> Yeah. Just I would just join from your

3:37 ↗ laptop and not worry about hurting.

3:39 ↗ You're getting away from it.

3:46 ↗ >> Over there.

3:47 ↗ >> Oh, default right to you.

3:49 ↗ >> See that one? It it likes you.

3:51 ↗ >> So, Rachel,

3:53 ↗ I can't believe

3:54 ↗ >> Rachel, this is your opportunity right

3:56 ↗ now.

3:58 ↗ >> Oh, is that the popular? That's what

4:00 ↗ >> No, that's sort of the default.

4:02 ↗ >> So, nothing's happening and it'll just

4:04 ↗ be on you for

4:06 ↗ >> No, no, it may not. They'd be different.

4:08 ↗ might have just been me. You're your

4:10 ↗ fault.

4:12 ↗ >> We're gonna find out. There were their

4:14 ↗ meetings are recorded, too.

4:17 ↗ >> Watch yourself.

4:42 ↗ That's awesome.

4:52 ↗ >> Yeah.

4:58 ↗ four hour delay. I was totally fine.

5:02 ↗ Cool.

5:11 ↗ Let me try real

5:14 ↗ >> and then I'll

5:32 ↗ >> learn

5:40 ↗ I think we got it set up. I'm not sure.

5:52 ↗ >> No, because I'm not

5:54 ↗ put up

6:00 ↗ that

6:11 ↗ coach baseball team.

6:12 ↗ >> Oh yeah,

6:15 ↗ >> I bet you there's

6:21 ↗ Red Sox, the Yankees, all of it.

6:27 ↗ Yeah.

6:38 ↗ >> Yeah. Good times.

6:58 ↗ being

7:19 ↗ happy.

7:43 ↗ I do not

7:49 ↗ face.

7:50 ↗ It might be set automatically.

7:54 ↗ >> You can ask about the uh she might have

7:57 ↗ said

7:58 ↗ >> what's up. What can I help with?

8:01 ↗ >> Is the recording

8:03 ↗ >> set to record automatically?

8:05 ↗ >> You know, it is. I can see that it's

8:07 ↗ already recording. So, we can just cut

8:10 ↗ the first part. Um,

8:14 ↗ >> want to make sure

8:17 ↗ >> we got we went down the list and got

8:19 ↗ everything.

8:20 ↗ >> Okay.

8:21 ↗ >> I think that's a new feature. Microsoft

8:23 ↗ just like changed teams.

8:25 ↗ >> So, it now like records automatically

8:28 ↗ when it starts the meeting, which is

8:30 ↗ weird.

8:33 ↗ >> Yeah.

8:35 ↗ We can just cut it until we actually

8:38 ↗ start the meeting and then

8:45 ↗ >> Okay.

8:56 ↗ I can't

9:10 ↗ >> good evening.

9:12 ↗ at 7 PM and as chair of the park board,

9:15 ↗ I'll

9:17 ↗ share calling the meeting to order. Uh

9:20 ↗ and this is a joint meeting with the

9:22 ↗ arts commission and um never done one of

9:26 ↗ these, but Rachel, if you're good, we'll

9:28 ↗ call a meeting to order.

9:30 ↗ >> Okay. Thank you. Um we're pretty

9:31 ↗ informal here. We mostly just sort of

9:34 ↗ raise a hand or let out a peep that we

9:37 ↗ want to speak. other. It's not too

9:39 ↗ formal, but however you want to do it is

9:41 ↗ fine with us.

9:42 ↗ >> Pretty much sounds like how we roll.

9:43 ↗ >> Okay. I mean, I know other groups, you

9:45 ↗ know, do this kind of thing. We do that,

9:47 ↗ too. But, um, okay. Well, then I'll, um,

9:50 ↗ I'll take ro for the park board and then

9:52 ↗ if you want to take for commission and

9:55 ↗ we'll go from there. Uh, okay. So, Katie

9:59 ↗ Bell,

10:01 ↗ Andrew Alan has an excuse absence. Go,

10:04 ↗ I'm here. David Lube here.

10:07 ↗ Uh Tim Mley, do we have Tim? He's

10:10 ↗ usually online.

10:13 ↗ Uh not that we know of, but we'll

10:15 ↗ >> He should be joining.

10:20 ↗ >> Tim, if you're online somewhere, try to

10:22 ↗ speak up.

10:24 ↗ Let us know.

10:26 ↗ Uh Brian Olsen

10:28 ↗ >> here,

10:29 ↗ >> Marlene Waxy

10:30 ↗ >> here. Uh Paul Adair

10:32 ↗ >> here,

10:33 ↗ >> Martha Gentner

10:34 ↗ >> here,

10:35 ↗ >> and uh Mary Stevens has an excused

10:38 ↗ absence and this would have been her

10:39 ↗ last meeting. Uh so we all wish her

10:42 ↗ farewell and then that's it for us. So

10:46 ↗ if you want to do yoursel

10:50 ↗ Yeah, we this we are even less fortunate

10:53 ↗ than you.

10:55 ↗ Um so Tracy,

10:58 ↗ you can say here or something. people

11:00 ↗ here.

11:01 ↗ >> Um, Kimberly has an excused absence. Um,

11:06 ↗ Rachel Wright is here.

11:08 ↗ >> Tina Hayes

11:09 ↗ >> here.

11:09 ↗ >> Um, Chris Craraven is out of the country

11:11 ↗ and has an excused absence. Rachel,

11:14 ↗ Rachel is online, I can see. Um,

11:18 ↗ >> here. Yep.

11:19 ↗ >> Thanks, Rachel. Um, Albert has an

11:21 ↗ excused absence. Treasure

11:23 ↗ >> and Caroline.

11:25 ↗ >> Awesome. Thanks, guys.

11:27 ↗ >> Okay. And then I don't think we have any

11:29 ↗ action items today, but I believe we

11:31 ↗ have a form whichever way we might need

11:34 ↗ it. So that's great. Um I'll do the

11:37 ↗ parks approval of minutes real quick in

11:39 ↗ the new year. So uh did everybody on the

11:42 ↗ parks board get a chance to look at the

11:45 ↗ minutes from the last meeting? Any

11:47 ↗ corrections or revisions?

11:51 ↗ And with that, the previous meeting

11:53 ↗ minutes are approved

11:56 ↗ >> and we are sending ours to

11:58 ↗ >> Okay. Uh then I guess we move right into

12:01 ↗ public comments if we have any.

12:04 ↗ >> Um Corey, I think you're on.

12:08 ↗ >> Hi everyone. I'm Corby Castler. I'm the

12:10 ↗ executive director of the downtown squad

12:12 ↗ association. And this Friday, May 2nd,

12:15 ↗ we will be putting our first arts

12:17 ↗ commission grant to work with the wine

12:19 ↗ and art walk. So, I hope to see you all

12:21 ↗ down on Front Street on Friday 6:00 to

12:24 ↗ 9:00 p.m.

12:29 ↗ And that was it. Thank you.

12:31 ↗ >> Thank you, Dory. Sweet.

12:33 ↗ >> Thanks.

12:35 ↗ >> Anyone else?

12:39 ↗ >> Not seeing anyone or knowing one of

12:41 ↗ anyone speak up later. We'll let you

12:43 ↗ back in. Um we'll move into regular

12:45 ↗ business. And the first item is the

12:48 ↗ creeks to peaks three trails crossing

12:50 ↗ presented by AP Dukes. Right.

12:54 ↗ >> Did you want to go first?

12:57 ↗ >> Yeah. So, hi everyone. I'm just going to

13:00 ↗ jump in real quick. Um, arts

13:02 ↗ commissioners, welcome. Sorry to be

13:04 ↗ missing you in person. And parkboard,

13:07 ↗ this is probably my last parkboard

13:09 ↗ meeting seeing you all virtually for a

13:11 ↗ little bit. Um, I just wanted to jump in

13:14 ↗ and do pro sort of our other business

13:16 ↗ items just at the top of the meeting

13:18 ↗ real quick. Um, so I can jump off. But

13:21 ↗ just a reminder that our next meeting is

13:24 ↗ on May 19th, which is not our normal

13:28 ↗ fourth Monday of the month. Um, it's

13:30 ↗ going to be the third Monday because of

13:32 ↗ Memorial Day and that we will be

13:35 ↗ electing a new chair and vice chair at

13:39 ↗ that meeting. And by we, I mean you all,

13:41 ↗ cuz I probably won't be there. Um, so,

13:46 ↗ uh, if anybody is interested in the

13:49 ↗ position, has some questions, or wants

13:51 ↗ to chat about it, please feel free to

13:53 ↗ reach out to Jeff, um, or Robin, and

13:56 ↗ they'll connect with you and sort of

13:58 ↗ talk to you about what that position

14:00 ↗ entails. I'm sure Chris or Marlene

14:02 ↗ having served in the role very well over

14:06 ↗ the last couple of years would be happy

14:07 ↗ to share some experience as well. Um it

14:11 ↗ does mean that we will be taking action

14:13 ↗ at the next meeting. Uh so for those of

14:16 ↗ you as you're looking at schedules, if

14:18 ↗ you can make that meeting, great. We

14:19 ↗ will need to at least have a quorum. Um

14:21 ↗ and if we need any of our um alternate

14:25 ↗ members to act as regular members, we'll

14:28 ↗ sort of make that determination. um at

14:30 ↗ the next meeting and there will be some

14:33 ↗ new members joining us at the next

14:35 ↗ meeting as well. There's one that's

14:37 ↗ online here just sort of Hannah's here

14:40 ↗ um watching to see what the procedures

14:42 ↗ are kind of like. Um but there will be

14:44 ↗ four new members next week. So you'll um

14:48 ↗ meet Hannah, Diana, Jeff, and Jane. Um

14:53 ↗ and I'm sure we'll do some sort of

14:55 ↗ introductions and they will also be Hi

14:58 ↗ Hannah. Um they'll also be doing um uh

15:03 ↗ they'll be voting on the action to to

15:07 ↗ choose chair or vice chair. Um and then

15:10 ↗ the last thing I just wanted to sort of

15:12 ↗ remind everybody is over the summer we

15:15 ↗ will likely do a tour for the park

15:18 ↗ board. Um we haven't done it in the last

15:20 ↗ couple of years, but we typically go to,

15:23 ↗ you know, some locations that are slated

15:25 ↗ for upcoming capital projects um or look

15:30 ↗ at something that's like currently under

15:32 ↗ capital project um review. And so I put

15:36 ↗ some options in the um our email, but

15:40 ↗ potentially thinking about sort of

15:42 ↗ Tibbitz Valley Park being one of the

15:44 ↗ locations. Um maybe going up to the

15:46 ↗ Central Park fields and looking at the

15:48 ↗ athletic fields space up there. Um so

15:51 ↗ start thinking about locations you might

15:54 ↗ want to go as a board to tour. Um and

15:58 ↗ that can be discussed at the June

15:59 ↗ meeting with Robin and Jeff. and then

16:03 ↗ we'll get that scheduled for July.

16:06 ↗ Um, and that's kind of all I've got. I'm

16:09 ↗ gonna probably pop off of here for a

16:11 ↗ little bit. Um, but thank you so much.

16:14 ↗ It's been great working with all of you

16:15 ↗ and I know you'll be in great hands with

16:18 ↗ Robin and Jeff and Amy and Robin tonight

16:20 ↗ for this presentations. Um, and

16:25 ↗ we'll be in touch in the fall.

16:28 ↗ >> Good luck, Cassandi.

16:30 ↗ >> Thanks everyone. And

16:35 ↗ >> okay, so now I guess we'll go to the um

16:39 ↗ regular business item of the

16:43 ↗ Oh, I have an old one popped up. Sorry.

16:44 ↗ Oh, here it is. Um the crease peaks

16:52 ↗ >> or is intersection murals.

16:56 ↗ >> Yeah, it has many names. So I am going

16:59 ↗ to Robin do you mind just giving sort of

17:02 ↗ the overview of the project before we

17:04 ↗ launch into the art?

17:06 ↗ >> Yeah sure. So in our parks system update

17:10 ↗ our 2024 plan we came up with uh

17:14 ↗ collectively between us and and the

17:16 ↗ community came up with the idea of

17:18 ↗ creeks to peaks. And as we went through

17:21 ↗ the process, we realized that we really

17:24 ↗ this is one of those cities where we

17:26 ↗ could actually have all the parks and

17:28 ↗ all the trails connected and thus Creeks

17:31 ↗ to Peaks was born. So this is one of our

17:34 ↗ very first projects for Creeks to Peaks.

17:36 ↗ We call it the three trails or the

17:38 ↗ Isiqua intersection murals, but we're

17:40 ↗ we're really calling it the three trails

17:43 ↗ um project. And it's a kickoff of the

17:48 ↗ intersection of Lake Mammish, East Lake

17:50 ↗ Samish Trail, the Rineer Trail, and the

17:53 ↗ Juniper Trail. And um it's right on

17:56 ↗ Gilman at the intersection.

17:58 ↗ If we have a map on that one, let me

18:01 ↗ switch to that.

18:02 ↗ >> Sure. Oops.

18:06 ↗ >> Yeah. But this is kind of just our pilot

18:09 ↗ project and our kickoff project to

18:11 ↗ really introduce the concept, to

18:13 ↗ highlight the concept, and and make sure

18:15 ↗ everybody is a a recognizable project.

18:19 ↗ I don't know if you want to go through.

18:21 ↗ >> Yeah, I was going to share

18:24 ↗ >> share the the artwork and this is

18:27 ↗ theation.

18:29 ↗ Do you want to speak to the anything

18:31 ↗ about the location before we look at the

18:33 ↗ cont?

18:33 ↗ >> Sure. So, initially we looked at some

18:35 ↗ ideas for asphalt art um and realized

18:39 ↗ that this would be a really nice place

18:41 ↗ to start this off. Uh what we'd like to

18:44 ↗ do though is really focus on the four

18:47 ↗ corners of the intersection. And I don't

18:49 ↗ know if you know about if you've been

18:51 ↗ out here it's what's called a scramble.

18:54 ↗ I think it's only one in the city but

18:56 ↗ where you can cross diagonally and that

18:58 ↗ really emphasizes that north south and

19:01 ↗ east west connection. Um but we really

19:04 ↗ wanted to highlight the corners uh

19:06 ↗ everything on the sidewalks above the

19:09 ↗ ramp area. We couldn't touch the ramp

19:11 ↗ area because of ADA restrictions and we

19:14 ↗ don't want to mess anybody up with that

19:16 ↗ one. Um, so here's our four corners. Uh,

19:20 ↗ you'll see just a aerial view on the top

19:25 ↗ and want to go to the next

19:33 ↗ >> I don't know if you want to dig into the

19:35 ↗ concept. So, um, we worked with, uh,

19:37 ↗ artist Jake Wagner, who we worked with

19:40 ↗ previously. He's actually the artist

19:42 ↗ that, um, we, um, worked with to design

19:45 ↗ our creative district logo. Um, you

19:47 ↗ might have seen it on a couple of

19:50 ↗ utility box wraps, uh, around town and

19:53 ↗ specifically in our creative district.

19:56 ↗ Um, and he came up with multiple

19:58 ↗ concepts for you all to kind of give us

20:01 ↗ some feedback on tonight. Um so the

20:04 ↗ thinking would be to have each of the

20:06 ↗ four corners have a really kind of

20:08 ↗ signature um graphic kind of artistic

20:12 ↗ element. Um and then uh we are also

20:16 ↗ speaking with public works to try to get

20:20 ↗ some uh visual crossing um that's maybe

20:24 ↗ in a color other than the typical white

20:27 ↗ um to emphasize the scramble. So that

20:30 ↗ piece is hopefully going to play along

20:32 ↗ nicely with the installation of the

20:34 ↗ mural. Um but it is kind of a separate

20:37 ↗ item. So the thing that we wanted to

20:40 ↗ share with you this evening is really

20:42 ↗ the artwork concepts um for the mural

20:46 ↗ pieces, the asphalt art pieces at the

20:48 ↗ corners. Um, so Jake came up with a

20:51 ↗ couple of different um, these are really

20:54 ↗ preliminary designs and we thought we

20:58 ↗ would have you all give us feedback. Um,

21:01 ↗ we'll see kind of we'll see how the

21:03 ↗ conversation flows and goes. I know Arts

21:05 ↗ Commission is a lot more um, kind of

21:07 ↗ used to having these conversations about

21:10 ↗ design and artwork. Um, but we'll chat

21:12 ↗ about the concepts and then if we have

21:15 ↗ consensus or if there's a certain way

21:17 ↗ that that it's leaning, our next step

21:19 ↗ would to be to go back to the artist and

21:21 ↗ have him refine the design that you all

21:24 ↗ kind of are leaning toward. Um, or, you

21:27 ↗ know, if if there isn't a clear

21:29 ↗ consensus, then we'll probably have him

21:31 ↗ do some refining on multiple concepts

21:33 ↗ and then it would come back to you. Um

21:36 ↗ the timeline overall is that uh he is

21:39 ↗ going to paint in late summer. Um we

21:42 ↗ have such a short window for doing mural

21:45 ↗ work in the Pacific Northwest and so um

21:48 ↗ we're really hoping to get this

21:50 ↗ installed in like August or September at

21:54 ↗ the latest. Um we are waiting a little

21:57 ↗ bit on um a grant request to the

22:00 ↗ legislature that could help boost um

22:03 ↗ boost our budget for the project.

22:06 ↗ >> Um so did I don't know if you all took a

22:10 ↗ look at them prior to the meeting but

22:12 ↗ this is and we didn't really we didn't

22:14 ↗ really name them.

22:15 ↗ >> Not really like concept number one. Um,

22:18 ↗ so this one I can just read. Um, let's

22:22 ↗ see. Do I have

22:25 ↗ No. Okay. So, these are the four corners

22:28 ↗ and this one is is a little bit uh

22:30 ↗ literal. Um, the Reneer um image is at

22:35 ↗ the corner of Reneer Boulevard. Um the

22:39 ↗ the images that look like the lake are

22:42 ↗ as you're heading towards Lake Seamish

22:44 ↗ or coming from Lake Seamish. And then

22:46 ↗ that bottom right um image is of juniper

22:51 ↗ leaves and that's kind of where the

22:53 ↗ juniper trail is.

22:54 ↗ >> Um so this one is just kind of our

22:58 ↗ beautiful natural environment. Um and

23:01 ↗ then I think what I'll do is just go

23:03 ↗ through the three concepts and then we

23:05 ↗ can chat about them.

23:08 ↗ Um, just to note there is, you might

23:10 ↗ have noticed there's a little bit of

23:11 ↗ logo embedded in the images and that's

23:14 ↗ just a placeholder. So, Jake is also

23:16 ↗ going to work on creating a Creeks to

23:18 ↗ Peaks logo and which will hopefully be

23:22 ↗ able to um get designed and installed uh

23:26 ↗ at the same time as the mural work.

23:30 ↗ So, here is a little bit more closeup of

23:35 ↗ this concept.

23:38 ↗ I think these are so interesting because

23:39 ↗ it was a snowy day when they took the

23:43 ↗ like extra atmosphere. Um, and then here

23:46 ↗ are the corners that kind of face the

23:49 ↗ lake.

23:52 ↗ Okay. And so then this is concept two.

23:55 ↗ Um, it's kind of a topography uh

23:58 ↗ concept. There are um two concepts that

24:01 ↗ kind of have this more uh topography

24:04 ↗ design. This one is a little bit more

24:07 ↗ bold and graphic and kind of the lines

24:09 ↗ are a little bit more demarcated and

24:12 ↗ clean. Um,

24:14 ↗ I do not think, correct me if I'm wrong,

24:16 ↗ Robin, I don't think that this

24:18 ↗ topography is specific exactly to the

24:23 ↗ actual locations, but it's something

24:24 ↗ that we talked about with Jake that

24:26 ↗ maybe we would want to try to make it

24:28 ↗ more specific. I think that the water um

24:32 ↗ maybe does represent Lake Samish, but

24:34 ↗ the others may be a little less

24:36 ↗ specific.

24:38 ↗ Um and so here

24:41 ↗ uh is a closeup of those corners

24:46 ↗ and

24:49 ↗ the other corners. So just so you get a

24:52 ↗ sort of feel for that one. And then the

24:54 ↗ third concept is

24:57 ↗ I think I'm blow up. Nope.

25:00 ↗ >> More topo.

25:01 ↗ >> More topo. Um, so this one is sort of a

25:04 ↗ riff off of the one we just saw, but a

25:09 ↗ little bit more loose and a little bit

25:12 ↗ more natural. Um, and a little less kind

25:14 ↗ of harsh in its lines. And I I mean

25:17 ↗ harsh in a negative way, but just a

25:19 ↗ little bit more a softer um kind of

25:22 ↗ approach to the graphic design.

25:26 ↗ And

25:28 ↗ and also um this one is a little bit

25:30 ↗ more uh has a little bit more free form

25:33 ↗ on the edges as well. So kind of spreads

25:35 ↗ out a little bit more gently than the

25:37 ↗ other one. Um you can see in this

25:39 ↗ closeup.

25:41 ↗ Again, I don't know that these are super

25:44 ↗ specific to the location, but that's

25:46 ↗ probably something that Jake would work

25:47 ↗ on refining if if this is selected. And

25:52 ↗ then here is another nice large closeup

25:55 ↗ of

25:56 ↗ of this one. This one also um is a

26:00 ↗ little bit uh uses less paint um and is

26:05 ↗ making use I think of some of the

26:07 ↗ sidewalk

26:08 ↗ as you know kind of contrast negative

26:11 ↗ space.

26:13 ↗ So those are the three that's the last

26:15 ↗ slide. Yeah.

26:17 ↗ And the parameters we gave him were

26:19 ↗ around creeks to peaks. We wanted him to

26:21 ↗ include Isiqua Alps, obviously all the

26:23 ↗ mountains, uh, creeks and our waterways

26:27 ↗ and see the lake Sam and just our

26:29 ↗ natural fabric. Um, and contrast between

26:33 ↗ the valleys and and the peaks. So to tie

26:36 ↗ into that, so he came up with three

26:38 ↗ really interesting, really great

26:40 ↗ concepts. Um, very bold colors, which is

26:43 ↗ what we wanted. We want to make sure

26:44 ↗ that the intersection and the the

26:47 ↗ crossing is as safe as possible. Right

26:49 ↗ now, it's a little difficult to see what

26:52 ↗ you're actually supposed to do, and the

26:53 ↗ signs are small. So, we wanted to pop

26:55 ↗ that out as much as possible and make it

26:58 ↗ as visual and interesting as we could.

27:02 ↗ And they they will um naturally fade a

27:05 ↗ little bit over time, although he is

27:07 ↗ using some fairly new and innovative

27:10 ↗ materials, so they should hold the color

27:12 ↗ pretty well. Um, but I think he did

27:14 ↗ start out with very bold colors,

27:16 ↗ partially for that reason.

27:19 ↗ So, um I just invite you all to

27:24 ↗ have the disc,

27:27 ↗ right?

27:28 ↗ >> Yeah.

27:30 ↗ >> Um I was curious, did you check in at

27:33 ↗ all with like uh the police department

27:34 ↗ or anyone to see if they had any design

27:36 ↗ brief parameters on safety um prior to

27:40 ↗ this? I'm just looking at the things

27:41 ↗ that are like little lines that can

27:42 ↗ sometimes denote traffic or etc. Period.

27:46 ↗ We checked in with um our public works

27:49 ↗ um transportation folks to make sure uh

27:53 ↗ where along the um asphalt we could

27:57 ↗ paint and where we couldn't paint.

27:59 ↗ >> Um and we have shared this with them and

28:01 ↗ they feel like any of these would be

28:04 ↗ acceptable.

28:05 ↗ >> Um but yeah, we do need to maintain that

28:08 ↗ high contrast yellow um striping there

28:11 ↗ to to show where the curb um starts.

28:16 ↗ Then my other question was just I think

28:18 ↗ you briefly mentioned it about sort of

28:20 ↗ the length of time that this would last

28:22 ↗ and then I know um with the

28:25 ↗ environmental board um and our team kind

28:27 ↗ of curious about like what paint we're

28:29 ↗ using as we're close to storm sewers and

28:32 ↗ all that stuff like like what are we

28:34 ↗ what what are we using as it relates to

28:36 ↗ sort of paint what's the runoff?

28:38 ↗ >> Yeah. All of that has to be approved. Um

28:41 ↗ but the the painting that or the paint

28:45 ↗ product that he is using he has used in

28:48 ↗ um previous municipal projects. Um the I

28:52 ↗ think the largest one he did was in

28:53 ↗ Pierce County at Rustin Point. Um and it

28:57 ↗ has lasted I think he said what like

28:59 ↗ seven or eight years.

29:01 ↗ >> Um without touchup which is pretty

29:04 ↗ amazing. Um, we tend to be pretty good

29:06 ↗ about maintaining our artwork and

29:09 ↗ touching up at least every other year.

29:11 ↗ Um, but yeah, any product that we use

29:14 ↗ will have to get approved um by the city

29:18 ↗ not just the arts commission.

29:22 ↗ >> Okay, you look great. So,

29:24 ↗ >> I think we should say the paint is

29:26 ↗ rather thick, so that kind of limits how

29:29 ↗ very detailed we can get on it. So

29:32 ↗ that's why the images are a little bit

29:34 ↗ um I don't want to say blockier in a

29:36 ↗ good way blockier uh a little more

29:38 ↗ graphic

29:40 ↗ in less detail just cuz it it would be

29:42 ↗ really difficult for him to do that.

29:44 ↗ >> And it dries um it dries really quickly

29:47 ↗ um which is a good thing because then

29:48 ↗ that reduces the chance of it you know

29:51 ↗ um getting into the environment farther

29:54 ↗ away. Um, but he has to work pretty

29:56 ↗ quickly too. So he that's

29:59 ↗ keeping the shapes pretty large and

30:02 ↗ simple.

30:03 ↗ >> So So basically, I'm sorry, just to kind

30:05 ↗ of reaffirm what Marlene say. So it

30:07 ↗ would be safe in case you know if

30:09 ↗ there's it's raining or whatnot, what

30:11 ↗ goes down into the drain and it's so

30:14 ↗ close to the creek that there won't be

30:16 ↗ any harms to the sands and all.

30:19 ↗ >> It will be um Yes. And it will be sealed

30:22 ↗ too. Um but it also from a different not

30:25 ↗ an environmental safety um standpoint

30:27 ↗ but from another safety standpoint we

30:29 ↗ also have to include um a grit within

30:32 ↗ the paint so that it's not

30:36 ↗ as well. So all of those um

30:39 ↗ considerations are kind of like our very

30:41 ↗ base like those will all taken care of.

30:44 ↗ Yeah. Um so thanks for bringing those

30:48 ↗ up. That's good to point out.

30:51 ↗ Uh well towards design I'd say

30:54 ↗ personally my you know boating or

30:57 ↗ whatever what appeals to me the best is

30:58 ↗ the first design. Okay

31:00 ↗ >> I feel like that conveys concept the

31:02 ↗ best of you know the whole three trails

31:04 ↗ identity that this the each trail

31:06 ↗ represents a different destination more

31:09 ↗ or less that you could go to from here

31:12 ↗ and so thus in terms of concept I feel

31:14 ↗ that that conveys that the best as well

31:15 ↗ as just has a very striking look to it.

31:17 ↗ you know, you drive up there and like

31:19 ↗ see Rainineer there on the on the

31:20 ↗ sidewalk. It's kind of really catch your

31:22 ↗ eye and draw you in, ask the questions,

31:25 ↗ what is this, why is it here? Oh, it

31:26 ↗ takes me back to that viewpoint, you

31:29 ↗ know? So, for me, I really like that as

31:31 ↗ the concept more so than the

31:33 ↗ topographies. The topographies get a

31:35 ↗ little off for me in terms of what it's

31:37 ↗ convey.

31:39 ↗ >> So, a little more literal translation of

31:41 ↗ it.

31:42 ↗ >> Yeah.

31:42 ↗ >> Kind of shows it shows it off better.

31:45 ↗ Okay.

31:47 ↗ Tim's got his hand up.

31:48 ↗ >> Oh, Tim.

31:51 ↗ >> Hi. Thank you. Yeah, these are all

31:53 ↗ great. I I have a question. Uh this the

31:56 ↗ slide that you have up right now, the

31:58 ↗ bottom right hand image, there's the

32:01 ↗ large kind of white speckled area on the

32:04 ↗ top. What is that?

32:06 ↗ >> That is snow.

32:11 ↗ >> Yeah. Um we we kind of leapt out and

32:14 ↗ were able to get a drone out there right

32:16 ↗ as after one of the the snow falls or

32:19 ↗ right as the snow melted off the

32:21 ↗ concrete. So we were a little worried

32:23 ↗ about that. But um picture that green.

32:26 ↗ >> Yeah.

32:26 ↗ >> So that's that's snow. That's actual

32:29 ↗ snow. That's not snow. That's part of

32:31 ↗ the design.

32:32 ↗ >> No, no, no. That's actual snow.

32:34 ↗ >> That is actual snow.

32:37 ↗ >> It blends in really nicely to the design

32:39 ↗ though, I think. Mhm.

32:40 ↗ >> Do you think we need then that's

32:42 ↗ actually a bit of um good thing to point

32:45 ↗ out. Do you think we need a stronger

32:47 ↗ contrast along the edge where we do have

32:50 ↗ lawn area to delineate that so no one

32:54 ↗ gets confused?

32:55 ↗ >> Yeah, I I think that might be useful. I

32:57 ↗ mean, it's hard looking at this small

32:59 ↗ two-dimensional image and knowing part

33:00 ↗ of its snow and part of its uh design.

33:04 ↗ Um

33:07 ↗ per perhaps

33:09 ↗ um but I would also echo the comment on

33:12 ↗ the first set of images being the ones I

33:15 ↗ would lean toward for the community. Um

33:21 ↗ I you I've been a hiker all my life and

33:23 ↗ when I see topo lines it makes me happy.

33:26 ↗ So, it's personally I like the ones with

33:28 ↗ the topo lines kind of on it, but I

33:30 ↗ think for the general community, there's

33:31 ↗ a lot of people that don't know what a

33:32 ↗ topo map is and they're going to look at

33:35 ↗ that and be kind of like confused. And u

33:39 ↗ so for overall breadth of appeal, I

33:44 ↗ would say the first set of images.

33:50 ↗ Great.

33:53 ↗ >> Um I' I'd say, you know, I you're

33:57 ↗ looking at the pictures um from a drone

34:00 ↗ shot is the average person seeing is

34:02 ↗ going to be between like three and five

34:04 ↗ feet off the ground where they're

34:06 ↗ looking down. Uh, and to me

34:11 ↗ I actually like the topos better, but

34:13 ↗ the imagery of the first concept I think

34:16 ↗ actually lends itself towards if you

34:17 ↗ were standing there at that intersection

34:19 ↗ and you look down, you see the juniper

34:21 ↗ plant or the juniper berry or a big

34:23 ↗ mountain radiator or a big piece of

34:24 ↗ lake. I think it calls out more than if

34:27 ↗ I'm just standing over a squirrely line

34:30 ↗ >> um of what I'm trying to see if really

34:32 ↗ you're only looking like this much area.

34:34 ↗ Um, that's kind of how I I thought when

34:36 ↗ I did float this through the house and

34:38 ↗ everyone in the house like better.

34:42 ↗ So, yeah, I just kind of looked at it as

34:44 ↗ like if I'm here looking at it, I'm not

34:47 ↗ seeing it in this form.

34:51 ↗ >> Yeah. Along the same vein on concept

34:53 ↗ one, I do like concept one best. Um,

34:56 ↗ it'll change the arc, but is there a way

34:58 ↗ to do like perspective? So, if you're

34:59 ↗ standing at the intersection, you

35:01 ↗ actually see the mountain as you're

35:02 ↗ looking. You know what I'm talking

35:02 ↗ about?

35:03 ↗ >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. how it kind of just

35:04 ↗ >> like a visual perspective versus we only

35:07 ↗ appreciate it 100 ft and then you're

35:09 ↗ like

35:12 ↗ >> right

35:14 ↗ >> or some depth in there.

35:16 ↗ >> Yeah.

35:16 ↗ >> Right.

35:18 ↗ >> Those kinds of course perspectives if

35:20 ↗ you move it has to be from one spot if

35:22 ↗ you move into a different

35:23 ↗ >> No. Yeah. I I totally get it but

35:26 ↗ >> falls off.

35:26 ↗ >> Yeah.

35:27 ↗ >> I I don't know though that looking at

35:29 ↗ the Can you scroll up to the first

35:33 ↗ I think um

35:36 ↗ I was wondering about that too of like

35:37 ↗ if I was standing on the Mount Reader

35:39 ↗ Park, would it read like a mountain?

35:41 ↗ Would I be able to see it like that? How

35:44 ↗ how big? I'm remembering like how big

35:46 ↗ that intersection is.

35:47 ↗ >> I think of the three, this is the one I

35:49 ↗ like the most, but I would

35:50 ↗ >> also really love if there was like a way

35:54 ↗ to color code the corners like subtly.

35:58 ↗ So there could be like um a transition

36:01 ↗ that occurs. I I think the they are

36:05 ↗ similar enough where we're seeing like

36:06 ↗ full picture, but I wonder if like one

36:08 ↗ side is warmer, even the side to like

36:11 ↗ the east or the west, you know, warmer

36:14 ↗ colors and then cooler colors like the

36:16 ↗ north and the south. Um, I see in Jake's

36:19 ↗ work mostly

36:21 ↗ his street work is like solid color

36:24 ↗ blocking and I'm assuming that's for

36:26 ↗ like the process and application, but if

36:29 ↗ there was a way to

36:31 ↗ like transition the color even within

36:33 ↗ the block, I think that would be really

36:35 ↗ interesting and that could play into the

36:38 ↗ paint that's happening crosswalk itself.

36:41 ↗ like the transition color

36:43 ↗ >> if you could kind of blend it across

36:45 ↗ >> just to emphasize that

36:47 ↗ >> basic

36:52 ↗ maybe are now in like a sunset

36:59 ↗ >> the badging where it says creeks to

37:00 ↗ peaks but then the three different

37:02 ↗ colors are those meant to be waveind

37:05 ↗ trails or are they just meant to say

37:07 ↗ creeks peaks as branding

37:09 ↗ >> um yeah He actually used different

37:12 ↗ colors because he was suggesting that um

37:17 ↗ that the color would allude to what type

37:21 ↗ of trail it was. Um so he had sort of

37:25 ↗ come up with a a suggested system, but

37:29 ↗ we felt like it was complex and it would

37:33 ↗ only work if we were going to really

37:35 ↗ actually be able to um to produce it all

37:39 ↗ over the city. Um, but he he kind of

37:41 ↗ thought of this whole system which was

37:43 ↗ pretty cool. Um, but I think what what

37:46 ↗ we've ultimately asked him to do is just

37:48 ↗ come up with a logo for Greasy Peaks.

37:50 ↗ But he was thinking about it kind of and

37:52 ↗ somewhat what you mentioned Tina um as a

37:55 ↗ way to kind of u let you know where you

37:57 ↗ were going um and that it would be

38:00 ↗ visually intuitive.

38:03 ↗ Just along with you just along those

38:05 ↗ lines though I think it is the creative

38:07 ↗ district there's a real opportunity to

38:09 ↗ think about how this could in different

38:12 ↗ areas maybe it's too much to do along

38:14 ↗ the city but to have that sense of these

38:16 ↗ are the thresholds going into the

38:18 ↗ creative district and how do you

38:20 ↗ emphasize

38:23 ↗ >> maybe there's not the budget for at this

38:25 ↗ point having an artist think about how a

38:27 ↗ system like that

38:29 ↗ >> just within the creative district

38:31 ↗ portion

38:31 ↗ >> yeah And we also thought about

38:34 ↗ potentially um we do have a creative

38:37 ↗ district logo. Maybe someplace, you

38:40 ↗ know, down from the um this artwork, we

38:44 ↗ would also kind of put the that logo as

38:47 ↗ well. Um because several of these

38:49 ↗ corners are kind of pointing you towards

38:52 ↗ parts of the creative district.

38:55 ↗ It seems like we're mostly concentrating

38:57 ↗ on perspective from people on foot or

39:00 ↗ maybe on bikes, but I know this

39:02 ↗ intersection really well and it's a

39:04 ↗ bizarre fiveway very busy intersection.

39:08 ↗ So, I like it that we're enhancing it. I

39:11 ↗ see so much confusion from drivers when

39:13 ↗ they're going through this and trying to

39:15 ↗ figure out where the pedestrians are

39:17 ↗ going. So, I think coming from the

39:20 ↗ thinking about people in their cars

39:22 ↗ looking at this, seeing the crosswalks

39:25 ↗ better, having better markings for

39:27 ↗ pedestrians will be great for safety as

39:30 ↗ well.

39:30 ↗ >> And kind of peing the interest of

39:32 ↗ drivers coming through like what is

39:34 ↗ that? I'll have to come back here and

39:36 ↗ take a closer look.

39:37 ↗ >> So, that that that is a different take

39:39 ↗ on what they do with that fiveway

39:43 ↗ intersection, the colors, and will it

39:45 ↗ make sense to somebody driving through

39:46 ↗ it? Mhm.

39:48 ↗ >> Specifically to that point really

39:53 ↗ understand

39:55 ↗ why there's no rest

39:59 ↗ very drifty and the five way like having

40:02 ↗ to take a left on

40:06 ↗ the all the time you don't know what

40:07 ↗ you're doing.

40:08 ↗ >> Yeah.

40:09 ↗ >> Was it ever considered to have the mural

40:11 ↗ on the intersection?

40:14 ↗ >> Yes. Um, and that and was not uh

40:18 ↗ >> that was shut down.

40:21 ↗ >> We're hoping that we'll get there

40:23 ↗ eventually, but we're not there yet. So,

40:25 ↗ this is sort of our um this is our baby

40:28 ↗ step into asphalt art. We you Robin

40:31 ↗ actually found all these amazing

40:34 ↗ um examples mostly not in the United

40:37 ↗ States um but of artwork that was all

40:40 ↗ over the intersections and um So

40:46 ↗ yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, we or

40:48 ↗ fortunately we do have to abide by wash

40:50 ↗ standards and they're pretty strict on

40:52 ↗ what they do and do not allow. So we're

40:54 ↗ even checking if we can do the blue. We

40:57 ↗ more than likely could do the white

40:58 ↗ stripes, which we're really trying to

41:00 ↗ get some sort of emphasis going across

41:03 ↗ to pull people in and just just to let

41:05 ↗ people know that, hey, this is a

41:07 ↗ scramble. Um again, the signs are a

41:09 ↗ little bit small. They're up there, but

41:12 ↗ yeah, vehicle drivers, you tend to miss

41:14 ↗ it.

41:15 ↗ >> And and through there 30, 40, 50 miles

41:19 ↗ an hour. So,

41:21 ↗ >> yeah.

41:23 ↗ >> I have another thought about this one. I

41:25 ↗ actually I'm going to kind of back up. I

41:26 ↗ do like it, but I I'm a little worried

41:29 ↗ that it's bit off a little bit more in

41:30 ↗ terms of like the content of that what

41:33 ↗ we can actually read as pedestrians. And

41:35 ↗ I would love to see like what it looks

41:38 ↗ like from the ground, you know, if he if

41:40 ↗ there's a way for him to give us

41:42 ↗ >> Yeah, I think he can model it this way.

41:46 ↗ >> Yeah. I don't I think it's

41:48 ↗ >> I'm I'm more like maybe something in the

41:50 ↗ vein of the topic map, but that looks

41:54 ↗ less like a golf course with the colors.

41:57 ↗ Um

41:58 ↗ where it's like pattern and color that

42:01 ↗ delineate space instead of a theme. The

42:04 ↗ scene works really well from bird's eye,

42:05 ↗ but like we're standing down flat on it.

42:08 ↗ Not sure if that's actually gonna like

42:10 ↗ be readable

42:12 ↗ because I think what's nice about parks

42:14 ↗ perspective is helping people way find

42:16 ↗ >> right and so that's kind of easy I find

42:20 ↗ interesting

42:21 ↗ >> besides the state is

42:24 ↗ more literal to actually what people are

42:26 ↗ trying to do there if you are on bike or

42:30 ↗ >> yeah like I've been on some like college

42:32 ↗ camps and stuff like that with a big

42:34 ↗ like

42:35 ↗ >> you know ground mural like that and even

42:37 ↗ Yes, perspective when someone's coming

42:39 ↗ in play, you can get a good sense of it

42:41 ↗ while standing there. It creates a good,

42:44 ↗ you know, way fine and a good rolling. I

42:47 ↗ do think this can work, but yeah, you

42:48 ↗ can model it to look at it ahead of

42:49 ↗ time.

42:50 ↗ >> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that he can. I

42:52 ↗ mean, again, these these were initial um

42:56 ↗ concepts that we wanted your input on

42:59 ↗ and then um we didn't want him to go to

43:02 ↗ that level for all of them. We wanted to

43:04 ↗ see which one kind of spoke to all of

43:06 ↗ you and then we will ask him to do that

43:08 ↗ sort of deep dive so that we can really

43:11 ↗ um assess what it looks like as a

43:13 ↗ pedestrian standing there. Um

43:17 ↗ there other thoughts or

43:21 ↗ >> Yeah. Um just from looking at these

43:23 ↗ images and I know they're renderings on

43:24 ↗ top of photograph but um something that

43:29 ↗ seems a little bit distracting is all

43:30 ↗ the different colors of concrete around

43:33 ↗ it. And if if you know budget allows and

43:38 ↗ transportation department allows um the

43:41 ↗ curbs and the the ramp that are supposed

43:44 ↗ to remain gray if maybe they can all be

43:46 ↗ painted a uniform gray so that you're

43:48 ↗ not pulled away looking at these sort of

43:51 ↗ bugaboo distractions and then you can

43:53 ↗ really see the the intended image.

43:57 ↗ Something worth considering

43:59 ↗ >> and we can do that. I mean we could

44:01 ↗ paint the the landings. We just have to

44:03 ↗ have a 75% contrast between the

44:06 ↗ truncated domes and the landing. So,

44:08 ↗ >> and even like those curb edges, you

44:11 ↗ know, they're all one color gray. I

44:14 ↗ think that'll really

44:16 ↗ >> Yeah, I think that's a

44:17 ↗ >> help drop it to the background and then

44:19 ↗ really make the rest of it pop.

44:27 ↗ Well, I feel like I heard a pretty

44:30 ↗ decent consensus for concept one. Um, so

44:35 ↗ I think

44:37 ↗ correct me if I'm wrong, but I think

44:38 ↗ that's kind of what I heard. So I think,

44:40 ↗ um, what we'll do is take Robin's been

44:43 ↗ taking awesome notes. Um, we'll take all

44:45 ↗ of your feedback and give it to Jake and

44:48 ↗ um, have him refine this concept. Um,

44:52 ↗ and we'll see it again.

44:56 ↗ >> Yeah, I like it. Awesome. Thank you.

45:01 ↗ Was there and I didn't know. Did anyone

45:03 ↗ that's online want to weigh in at all?

45:06 ↗ Are you guys all good? I know Tim did.

45:09 ↗ >> Great. Okay.

45:12 ↗ >> All right. The next item is public art

45:15 ↗ relocation,

45:16 ↗ also by Amy.

45:19 ↗ Um, do you love how we brought all of

45:22 ↗ our art items, too?

45:32 ↗ >> Where did that one go?

45:44 ↗ >> I mean,

45:50 ↗ That's weird. Oh, maybe I have the

45:52 ↗ wrong.

45:54 ↗ All right. Well, can look at it like

45:58 ↗ I don't know why.

46:04 ↗ There we go.

46:07 ↗ >> Okay. didn't make a huge difference. But

46:11 ↗ um so with the all of the awesome

46:16 ↗ um renovation of or addition of the

46:19 ↗ plazas uh at the senior center um we had

46:23 ↗ to remove three pieces of public art

46:26 ↗ that were there on the site. Um the uh

46:31 ↗ salmon cycle has been there since the

46:33 ↗ 80s when the building was actually a

46:36 ↗ library and then the other two have been

46:39 ↗ um around the senior center grounds I

46:42 ↗ think since 2007.

46:44 ↗ So they've been there a while um and

46:48 ↗ they have served their time well there

46:52 ↗ but it's time for them to find new

46:53 ↗ homes. Um so these are the three

46:56 ↗ artworks that have been removed. They

46:59 ↗ are sitting in storage. Um our

47:02 ↗ contractor Beayshore that's working on

47:04 ↗ the project was um part of their scope

47:06 ↗ was to uh sort of dig them up carefully

47:10 ↗ and um and es escort them to their

47:14 ↗ storage. Um, but we will need to find

47:17 ↗ new locations for them and and the arts

47:21 ↗ commission will use our maintenance

47:22 ↗ budget to reinstall the artwork in new

47:25 ↗ locations. So, last summer, I can't

47:28 ↗ believe it's already been almost a year,

47:30 ↗ the arts commission took a a field trip

47:32 ↗ and looked at some various park sites

47:35 ↗ and options for um relocating these. So,

47:39 ↗ we thought this seemed like a great uh

47:41 ↗ item to have a discussion around with

47:44 ↗ all of you since you are the stewards of

47:47 ↗ the parks. Um, so that the the two

47:50 ↗ pieces on the left are basaltt. They're

47:53 ↗ super duper sturdy. Um, they are very

47:57 ↗ very heavy as uh Behore would definitely

48:01 ↗ tell you. um and they had massive

48:04 ↗ footings into the ground um that I'm not

48:07 ↗ sure entirely necessary to replicate,

48:09 ↗ but um we do need to think about the

48:12 ↗ footing um when we're thinking about the

48:14 ↗ relocation. Um I think the two the

48:18 ↗ pillars one in the middle there was

48:20 ↗ actually on those two pieces were on one

48:23 ↗ footing together but um and the works

48:26 ↗ are meant to be a complement to one

48:28 ↗ another but we could potentially move

48:31 ↗ them a little farther apart. Um and then

48:34 ↗ the third one is going to um actually

48:35 ↗ present an interesting challenge because

48:38 ↗ that one was commissioned um when the

48:41 ↗ library was here and was intended to be

48:46 ↗ um embedded into the building site. And

48:49 ↗ so it has been removed, but it needs um

48:53 ↗ it can't really stand alone. It needs

48:56 ↗ some kind of new um housing to to

48:59 ↗ display. So, that one will definitely

49:02 ↗ require some additional um some

49:04 ↗ additional work to hire someone to

49:07 ↗ create some kind of enclosure to to hold

49:10 ↗ it or pedestal to hold it.

49:14 ↗ Um so, just various relocation

49:16 ↗ considerations um for us to think about

49:20 ↗ the footings again. Um all of them

49:23 ↗ uh well the two basaltt pieces are very

49:26 ↗ very heavy and so do need a pretty

49:28 ↗ substantial footing. And then the um

49:31 ↗ like I was just mentioning, the salmon

49:33 ↗ circle bronze needs some kind of

49:35 ↗ housing. um the permitting if we're um I

49:40 ↗ know the arts commission knows this

49:42 ↗ issue well, but there is no public art

49:45 ↗ permit and sometimes we get um our

49:50 ↗ things permitted through sign permitting

49:52 ↗ and sometimes it's something else and

49:55 ↗ that cost is always um

49:59 ↗ a mystery and sometimes it's really

50:02 ↗ high. So, we do have to think about the

50:04 ↗ permitting and I we just know from our

50:06 ↗ experience, especially with um the Jacob

50:08 ↗ troll sculpture, that if we put it near

50:10 ↗ any bit of water or anything sensitive,

50:12 ↗ it's going to cost us a lot more money

50:15 ↗ and take a lot more time. So, um

50:17 ↗ permitting is a piece we are, just so

50:19 ↗ you all know at parkboard working on a

50:22 ↗ public art permit um that will be

50:24 ↗ specific to public art and um but I

50:26 ↗ don't know that we'll be able to get

50:28 ↗ that completed before we at least place

50:30 ↗ one of these. Um so then we do want to

50:33 ↗ think about obviously setbacks from

50:35 ↗ creeks and the buffers. Um geographic

50:38 ↗ synergies. Um these are all kind of um

50:43 ↗ natural themed. Two of them are salmon

50:45 ↗ themed. Um if there's a reason to kind

50:48 ↗ of um play off of something related to

50:52 ↗ salmon or the creek or um you know we

50:55 ↗ could place them with that in mind. And

50:58 ↗ then um uh geographic gaps. So, uh, we

51:02 ↗ do have a decently large, uh, public art

51:04 ↗ collection for the size of our city and

51:07 ↗ our artwork is primarily located in our

51:11 ↗ downtown core. So, we always do like to

51:13 ↗ consider, are there other places we

51:15 ↗ could put it where we would um, reach

51:18 ↗ people who maybe don't get to see our

51:20 ↗ artwork all the time. Um, so the arts

51:23 ↗ commission kind of considered a lot of

51:24 ↗ these things as we were doing our field

51:26 ↗ trip last I think it was August.

51:32 ↗ Um, so based on that field trip, um, the

51:36 ↗ arts commission kind of thought that

51:38 ↗ Salmon Nature Park would be a great site

51:41 ↗ for this piece, um, that is called River

51:45 ↗ Run. Um, and Mrs. Salmon. Uh, and, uh,

51:49 ↗ specifically, we looked kind of at this

51:52 ↗ entrance area.

51:56 ↗ So, I can run through these real quick

51:58 ↗ and then we'll just backtrack. Um, and

52:00 ↗ then for the salmon cycle, we talked

52:04 ↗ about potentially putting it um

52:06 ↗ somewhere in Confluence Park, maybe in

52:09 ↗ Margaret's Meadow um sort of closer to

52:13 ↗ where the additional parking is located

52:16 ↗ on the other side. Um, and then

52:20 ↗ for the pillars,

52:23 ↗ um, we looked at Bernstone Park, which

52:26 ↗ is right across the street from the

52:28 ↗ Salmon Run Nature Park. Um, uh, that one

52:33 ↗ had some nice kind of open spaces. Um

52:37 ↗ and then another option that has been

52:40 ↗ brought forward is doing something um at

52:43 ↗ anthology because there isn't anything

52:46 ↗ public art there um and there is public

52:50 ↗ trail and public access there.

52:53 ↗ So

52:56 ↗ just run back and kind of open up our

52:58 ↗ conversation. Um especially since you

53:01 ↗ all have a lot more familiarity with the

53:04 ↗ parks, each of the individual parks and

53:06 ↗ the um kind of

53:10 ↗ features of them. I'd love thoughts and

53:13 ↗ parks commissioners agree to chime in

53:17 ↗ about what

53:19 ↗ called you to that location because we

53:22 ↗ did look at um let's see, we looked at

53:24 ↗ like six or seven locations around

53:27 ↗ >> with the goal to keep them all very

53:29 ↗ close. to each other?

53:31 ↗ >> Not necessarily. I mean, I think that um

53:35 ↗ well, one, we were doing a walking tour,

53:37 ↗ so there was

53:40 ↗ um and we did talk about the the you

53:44 ↗ know, benefit of having more art in a

53:48 ↗ way that could be um packaged together

53:52 ↗ for for walking tours and, you know,

53:54 ↗ other kind of tourist and community

53:57 ↗ aspects. So, something specific

54:02 ↗ sculpture.

54:05 ↗ So as we're looking

54:10 ↗ kind of neat if it's by confluence, one

54:12 ↗ of the things we've been talking about

54:13 ↗ is what do we do with the house that I

54:15 ↗ was?

54:18 ↗ >> Yes. Thank you. Right. And but part of

54:20 ↗ that idea, right, is there could be art

54:22 ↗ in there as well, right? So it would be

54:24 ↗ a cool place to start an art block,

54:26 ↗ >> right?

54:28 ↗ kind of go through.

54:32 ↗ >> Um,

54:34 ↗ I really like the placement of this one

54:36 ↗ on Sand Girl Nature Park. I feel like it

54:38 ↗ needs a little bit of ump, if you will,

54:41 ↗ and where you have it located

54:43 ↗ is great. Um, but the second, anything

54:48 ↗ on Confluence, I think would be awesome.

54:50 ↗ So, the second

54:54 ↗ Yeah, that one I think is really spot

54:56 ↗ on. It would be nice if it was um yeah,

54:59 ↗ somewhat close even to the bridge

55:00 ↗ because I feel like, you know, um that

55:03 ↗ really really draws you and you you know

55:07 ↗ can see the creek there. Um, the last

55:11 ↗ one I I walk my dog all the time through

55:14 ↗ the is the I think this one would get

55:17 ↗ lost a little bit and that's the only

55:19 ↗ thing I would worry about in birth park.

55:23 ↗ Um,

55:25 ↗ every time I go there there's no

55:30 ↗ this was not on our walking tour. We

55:33 ↗ were walking. Oh, there's this cute

55:35 ↗ little propert that's like a lot of

55:37 ↗ different dog parks there. Thought maybe

55:39 ↗ it's an opportunity if there's a piece

55:41 ↗ of art there where people will kind of

55:43 ↗ discover it and find it and

55:45 ↗ >> yeah that confluence is such a big

55:47 ↗ place. I feel like that could be really

55:49 ↗ benefited from multiple pieces there

55:51 ↗ whether it's time or future throughout.

55:55 ↗ >> Yeah. So yeah, you can look at it two

55:58 ↗ ways. Like that'd be great. Put some art

56:00 ↗ in there and you you know draw, but at

56:02 ↗ the same time I Yeah, that I feel like

56:06 ↗ that park needs a little bit of

56:08 ↗ something too.

56:08 ↗ >> That's useful information because I

56:10 ↗ think we did we don't have or we weren't

56:13 ↗ using data of kind of how well used that

56:16 ↗ park is or isn't. At the time that we

56:18 ↗ were walking through it, there were a

56:19 ↗ whole lot of dog, but it might have just

56:21 ↗ been like everyone got home walked their

56:23 ↗ dog from the neighborhood. Um but yeah,

56:26 ↗ we we um we thought that park just

56:28 ↗ seemed a little empty

56:30 ↗ >> and it wasn't even on it.

56:36 ↗ >> Oh, wouldn't it be wonderful if it was

56:38 ↗ hidden in these cues?

56:40 ↗ >> Of course.

56:46 ↗ >> Unless you're having people go on a

56:48 ↗ >> Yes. Like a scavenger hunt to find.

56:54 ↗ Where's the anthology one? I'm not sure.

56:57 ↗ >> Big development.

56:59 ↗ >> Yeah, it's it's it's where all of those

57:02 ↗ apartment buildings are that you can

57:04 ↗ see, you know, from 90 exit 15.

57:09 ↗ >> Oh, okay. Yeah.

57:15 ↗ >> Yeah, exactly. Right.

57:18 ↗ >> Okay.

57:19 ↗ We don't have a lot of artwork in that

57:22 ↗ end of town for for a variety of

57:24 ↗ reasons. Um but um in partly because we

57:28 ↗ don't um we tend to put our art near

57:30 ↗ parks and trails. So this Do you know

57:34 ↗ what the um when this was create? It was

57:38 ↗ about the time that the building was

57:40 ↗ created.

57:40 ↗ >> Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. It was part

57:42 ↗ of their development. and that that that

57:45 ↗ one is going to be our first linear park

57:47 ↗ when that comes when we start developing

57:49 ↗ that. So that was one of the new

57:51 ↗ classifications. So

57:53 ↗ >> what is linear linear

57:55 ↗ >> linear park is a little bit it's a

57:57 ↗ longer park and a narrower park versus a

57:59 ↗ wider park. But we thought that was um

58:02 ↗ suitable for this one, just coming

58:04 ↗ across the bridge. And then it's a I

58:06 ↗ don't know if you've been out there, it

58:08 ↗ is a long linear with some walls out

58:10 ↗ there. But so we thought just coming

58:13 ↗ across a bridge and having a focal point

58:16 ↗ there would be nice, too.

58:18 ↗ The good thing about this artwork is um

58:20 ↗ it's extremely durable and so sometimes

58:24 ↗ we don't like to put things um you know

58:27 ↗ out away from where they get really

58:30 ↗ regular um sort of maintenance touches

58:33 ↗ and and looks um by our crews. But um

58:36 ↗ this one could stand out without

58:40 ↗ monitoring no problem.

58:43 ↗ What were some of the other parts?

58:48 ↗ >> Yeah, that is a really good question.

58:51 ↗ Um, and I should have brought the list.

58:54 ↗ Do you guys remember

58:56 ↗ between content

58:58 ↗ we were walking through?

59:00 ↗ >> There's a big meadow.

59:02 ↗ >> Oh, we looked at the front street

59:04 ↗ properties

59:06 ↗ >> which also is another park that's kind

59:08 ↗ of underutilized and

59:11 ↗ >> kind of empty.

59:14 ↗ So after you pass through the bridge,

59:18 ↗ the

59:18 ↗ >> Margaret tomato

59:20 ↗ >> and that one is one that we're

59:22 ↗ recommending.

59:23 ↗ >> Oh,

59:24 ↗ >> yeah. The back, you know.

59:26 ↗ >> Could this one move to confluence just

59:28 ↗ to kind of

59:31 ↗ >> It definitely could. I mean, and

59:33 ↗ Confluence could certainly absorb more

59:35 ↗ than one piece of artwork,

59:38 ↗ >> especially since like so much music

59:40 ↗ festivals there. Mhm.

59:42 ↗ >> Yeah, it does get

59:46 ↗ so much attention for sure.

59:48 ↗ >> And during the school year homecoming, I

59:52 ↗ mean that bridge is

59:55 ↗ taking pictures and now

59:57 ↗ >> you know.

59:59 ↗ >> Yeah, I definitely think we would be

1:00:01 ↗ able to find other locations and

1:00:03 ↗ confluence that could accommodate such

1:00:06 ↗ fees. And again it's such a it's just

1:00:08 ↗ natural basult so very easy to um to

1:00:12 ↗ integrate into natural environment. Can

1:00:15 ↗ you go to the first one just for

1:00:18 ↗ standing like is this pillar are you

1:00:22 ↗ thinking here are you thinking

1:00:26 ↗ >> where we think we were thinking in the

1:00:27 ↗ in the planting right

1:00:39 ↗ >> well so it sounds like the first two um

1:00:42 ↗ you all feel pretty good about. And then

1:00:45 ↗ the third one, maybe we should keep look

1:00:48 ↗ keep shopping and confluence.

1:00:51 ↗ >> Yeah. I I don't know. I just I'm I I

1:00:53 ↗ have a soft spot for this and I I feel

1:00:55 ↗ like um

1:00:57 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I love young too,

1:00:59 ↗ but I just feel like it's it is a focal

1:01:02 ↗ point and you kind of want it to stand

1:01:04 ↗ out and I and I just don't think Bernson

1:01:06 ↗ is just not for me. This is my own

1:01:08 ↗ opinion, it's just not the right spot

1:01:10 ↗ for it. I don't know. It just doesn't

1:01:12 ↗ jive with me. That's what

1:01:15 ↗ um but walking toward it or I don't

1:01:17 ↗ know. I just feel like it needs to be in

1:01:20 ↗ a little bit more of an open

1:01:21 ↗ environment.

1:01:25 ↗ >> What about like the park that space on

1:01:27 ↗ the name of it, but next to the swimming

1:01:29 ↗ pool? Across the street from the

1:01:30 ↗ swimming pool. There's a little park

1:01:32 ↗ with the three picnic tables right

1:01:33 ↗ there. It's right along the creek. I

1:01:36 ↗ found that the front street.

1:01:38 ↗ >> Oh, the front street. Yeah.

1:01:40 ↗ I feel like those could I like I don't

1:01:44 ↗ know. I like the idea a little bit of

1:01:46 ↗ kind of what you talked about like

1:01:47 ↗ finding them, but I also like the idea

1:01:49 ↗ of

1:01:51 ↗ finding places where kind of like you

1:01:53 ↗ talked about on the intersection is hey

1:01:56 ↗ what does this look like from the person

1:01:58 ↗ walking in the but also someone see this

1:02:00 ↗ while driving or bicycling or pushing a

1:02:02 ↗ stroller walking a dog um that maybe

1:02:05 ↗ doesn't have the opportunity to venture

1:02:07 ↗ into Bernstein Park or something like

1:02:08 ↗ that is everyone can see it

1:02:11 ↗ from whatever access they have at that

1:02:13 ↗ moment on that day.

1:02:15 ↗ >> U and so I really like the salmon run

1:02:18 ↗ park. Think that one's great. The one on

1:02:20 ↗ they have on confluence down the other

1:02:22 ↗ side

1:02:23 ↗ is maybe a little more hidden but um

1:02:25 ↗ it's very discoverable especially you

1:02:27 ↗ know in the summer the spring all the

1:02:30 ↗ schools go down there and bring the kids

1:02:31 ↗ down there and they do the salmon and

1:02:33 ↗ egg cycling and all that stuff. So that

1:02:35 ↗ could be a fun little connecting point

1:02:37 ↗ there for them.

1:02:39 ↗ >> And we can rework the tables around it

1:02:41 ↗ too integrate those together. I just

1:02:43 ↗ wonder if maybe there's some

1:02:46 ↗ >> something that you could drag those

1:02:47 ↗ pills, but I bet most people haven't

1:02:49 ↗ seen them even at their current well not

1:02:51 ↗ current location, you know, but

1:02:53 ↗ >> previous

1:03:00 ↗ turbs.

1:03:02 ↗ >> Um, what was the location? I'm trying to

1:03:04 ↗ pull up a map here. The hidden run, the

1:03:06 ↗ art that got taken out by

1:03:10 ↗ >> Oh, yeah. If this had been there and

1:03:12 ↗ they' hit this, that would have been

1:03:13 ↗ really bad for their car.

1:03:15 ↗ >> Yeah. But the

1:03:16 ↗ >> Yeah, we have we had Wingo wing um which

1:03:19 ↗ was a tall kind of uh column with birds

1:03:23 ↗ circling at the top um at the corner

1:03:25 ↗ kind of near the lakes, the mammish um

1:03:29 ↗ fields, the soccer fields. Um and a car

1:03:34 ↗ uh drove into it and knocked it over and

1:03:38 ↗ destroyed it. So,

1:03:39 ↗ >> so I was thinking maybe as an I don't

1:03:41 ↗ know, but now that I'm saying it, maybe

1:03:43 ↗ not then,

1:03:46 ↗ but um

1:03:47 ↗ >> this would total your car.

1:03:49 ↗ >> Um I'm just thinking of like what I get

1:03:52 ↗ with that one and standing out next to

1:03:53 ↗ it and stuff like I would love to see it

1:03:56 ↗ near a bus stop or like a place where

1:03:59 ↗ you're standing in town like waiting to

1:04:02 ↗ know like the positions between the

1:04:05 ↗ people. They don't they're in

1:04:06 ↗ conversation, right? that they're like

1:04:07 ↗ back to back kind of, you know, in a way

1:04:10 ↗ you might wait with somebody at a bus

1:04:11 ↗ stop. Um, so I'm thinking Lang along

1:04:13 ↗ Sunset, there's a couple of the transit

1:04:16 ↗ stops. Um, there's one that's closer to

1:04:18 ↗ the trail

1:04:19 ↗ >> that I see people at time. Um, that

1:04:22 ↗ might be interesting. And it doesn't

1:04:24 ↗ involve like a park necessarily, but

1:04:26 ↗ when you think about

1:04:27 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:04:28 ↗ >> How people

1:04:31 ↗ be cool.

1:04:32 ↗ >> Yeah, that'd be interesting. That one

1:04:34 ↗ would be interesting to put more in sort

1:04:35 ↗ of the industrial scale. So, just to um

1:04:38 ↗ follow up on that timeline wise, um

1:04:42 ↗ >> Oh, sorry, Tim.

1:04:48 ↗ >> Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I I just wanted

1:04:50 ↗ to echo the thought of putting it

1:04:52 ↗ somewhere that is more visible like the

1:04:57 ↗ little the park along Front Street, the

1:05:00 ↗ small little park there that has cars

1:05:02 ↗ going by or some place where some

1:05:04 ↗ visibility. I I like having and some

1:05:08 ↗ other places are obviously fit that

1:05:09 ↗ criteria, but I like the idea is that

1:05:13 ↗ more people see it and what kind of

1:05:17 ↗ bubbles in the back of my mind if it's

1:05:19 ↗ you make it too discoverable per se and

1:05:22 ↗ it's kind of buried back uh then it

1:05:25 ↗ becomes more of a target for and I hate

1:05:30 ↗ to say it but vandalism, you know,

1:05:32 ↗ getting tagged or what have you. if it's

1:05:33 ↗ someplace where nobody can see it. So,

1:05:36 ↗ in terms of protecting the art, I think

1:05:39 ↗ someplace that has a more visibility

1:05:42 ↗ would be

1:05:45 ↗ uh preferable to some place that's kind

1:05:48 ↗ of hidden away. We don't have a big

1:05:50 ↗ problem with that in Isiqua, but all of

1:05:55 ↗ us have driven in Seattle know there's

1:05:57 ↗ big problems there and it's not that far

1:05:58 ↗ away. So, just a thought. Um, I like

1:06:02 ↗ visibility and I like the vis the

1:06:04 ↗ protection that visibility kind of

1:06:05 ↗ brings with it.

1:06:07 ↗ >> Yeah, that's a great point.

1:06:11 ↗ >> Great idea around if you started like

1:06:12 ↗ Jacob trees when you went to street like

1:06:15 ↗ right like kind of a cool idea

1:06:20 ↗ >> maintenance connections. So, um because

1:06:23 ↗ the arts, um budget it maintenance

1:06:26 ↗ budget is going to absorb the relocation

1:06:29 ↗ of these, we are going to have to space

1:06:31 ↗ them out a tiny bit. Um again, we are

1:06:33 ↗ going to have to potentially go through

1:06:35 ↗ the permitting process to move them as

1:06:37 ↗ well, which might take some time. So,

1:06:39 ↗ what we're targeting is moving this one

1:06:41 ↗ first, um and um moving the other two in

1:06:47 ↗ 2026.

1:06:49 ↗ So, we will keep shopping for a location

1:06:52 ↗ for the the pillars and um we'll share

1:06:55 ↗ that information with you all and get

1:06:57 ↗ your your thoughts on what we decide to

1:07:01 ↗ select next. But this one um we were

1:07:04 ↗ hoping you would kind of think that this

1:07:07 ↗ was a good spot and we can move forward

1:07:09 ↗ with this one this year.

1:07:11 ↗ >> Really like so thanks for

1:07:17 ↗ reading back. Yeah, I know. We were we

1:07:20 ↗ started off with that other one, too.

1:07:22 ↗ >> It's a long haul that

1:07:24 ↗ >> Yeah. I think we we all got like tired

1:07:28 ↗ and Oh, it was getting dark, too.

1:07:31 ↗ >> We were back.

1:07:34 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:07:34 ↗ >> Yeah. But what a great problem to have.

1:07:37 ↗ Seriously.

1:07:38 ↗ >> Exactly. We'll have to do another field

1:07:40 ↗ trip with just one location. that.

1:07:44 ↗ So,

1:07:45 ↗ >> creative pieces together, then they'll

1:07:47 ↗ all be connected.

1:07:51 ↗ >> Well, thank you for treating your

1:07:52 ↗ artworks, you know, with such care and

1:07:54 ↗ wanting to relocate them.

1:07:57 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah. It's just an opportunity to

1:08:00 ↗ put them in new um locations.

1:08:04 ↗ >> Share that.

1:08:07 ↗ >> I think that's it for that one.

1:08:09 ↗ >> Thank you.

1:08:11 ↗ All right, our last uh regular business

1:08:13 ↗ item is the capital improvements plan

1:08:16 ↗ update. Robin

1:08:23 ↗ that one

1:08:31 ↗ start

1:08:35 ↗ at the beginning. Yeah. So, what we

1:08:38 ↗ wanted to talk about tonight was our uh

1:08:41 ↗ six-year capital improvement plan

1:08:44 ↗ update.

1:08:47 ↗ And I know some of you have seen this

1:08:49 ↗ before, but we really wanted to break it

1:08:52 ↗ down. Um the capital improvement plan is

1:08:55 ↗ a culmination of several different

1:08:57 ↗ plans. Each department has to do one

1:09:00 ↗ every six years. Um, and it really gives

1:09:03 ↗ us a 20 year plus picture of our

1:09:06 ↗ priority projects that we want to

1:09:08 ↗ accomplish within the city. So, after

1:09:10 ↗ listening to the community, after going

1:09:13 ↗ through the 2024 uh park system plan

1:09:16 ↗ update, um we got a really good idea of

1:09:20 ↗ what priorities we have. Um, but just to

1:09:22 ↗ back up a little bit, so the 20-year

1:09:24 ↗ picture is looking at our system level

1:09:27 ↗ assessments. It's updated every 5 to 10

1:09:30 ↗ years. Again, it's informed by several

1:09:33 ↗ different reports, several different

1:09:34 ↗ plans. Um, for us, it was a park system

1:09:37 ↗ plan. For other people, it could be the

1:09:39 ↗ master mobility plan, uh, utility system

1:09:42 ↗ plan, strategic plan, and climate action

1:09:44 ↗ plan. But we're also looking at those

1:09:47 ↗ together. So, we try to see what's

1:09:49 ↗ symbiotic, what parallels each other,

1:09:51 ↗ and what we want to move forward. So, we

1:09:54 ↗ look at the big picture, the 20-year

1:09:56 ↗ picture. And if you remember, we have

1:09:58 ↗ our near, our mid, and our long-term

1:10:00 ↗ projects listed out in our plan. Uh, we

1:10:03 ↗ we dive into our six-year CIP, which is

1:10:06 ↗ what we're doing right now, which I'll

1:10:08 ↗ bring up in a few minutes. So, this is

1:10:10 ↗ really our prior prioritization process.

1:10:13 ↗ The six-year CIP is updated every two

1:10:16 ↗ years. So, we're doing it this year, and

1:10:19 ↗ it really aligns our big picture with

1:10:22 ↗ our current resources. And as you all

1:10:24 ↗ know, we just went through some budget

1:10:26 ↗ reductions and some staff reductions. So

1:10:28 ↗ that's one thing that we're factoring

1:10:30 ↗ into uh the projects that we're picking.

1:10:34 ↗ But we're looking, yes, at funding, at

1:10:36 ↗ staffing, um our expertise,

1:10:39 ↗ uh the complexity of the projects, and

1:10:41 ↗ the amount of time we have available to

1:10:43 ↗ complete it. So from the six-year CIP,

1:10:46 ↗ we start developing and diving into the

1:10:49 ↗ two-year budget.

1:10:51 ↗ um the two-year budget, those projects

1:10:54 ↗ uh are city council approved. Uh we look

1:10:57 ↗ at our capital budget and our operating

1:11:00 ↗ budget when we decide those projects. Um

1:11:03 ↗ we're also uh different capital budget

1:11:06 ↗ types are our facility, equipment,

1:11:08 ↗ technology and systems, park, water. All

1:11:10 ↗ of the departments are developing a

1:11:13 ↗ two-year budget. So I we just that'll be

1:11:17 ↗ in 2027. We'll go through the two-year

1:11:19 ↗ budget and we'll refer back to the

1:11:21 ↗ six-year CIP plan and see what projects

1:11:24 ↗ are there. Uh what funding we have about

1:11:26 ↗ a available, what we previously done. If

1:11:29 ↗ it's a project like something like

1:11:30 ↗ Tibbitz where we have to phase it, we'll

1:11:32 ↗ look at the next phase and what we want

1:11:34 ↗ to move into. But from that two-year

1:11:37 ↗ budget, we develop the funded capital

1:11:40 ↗ projects. So good example is how we got

1:11:43 ↗ Hillside

1:11:44 ↗ uh developed which by the way we have

1:11:46 ↗ our our ribbon cutting on May 5th which

1:11:49 ↗ is exciting. So it ended up as one of

1:11:53 ↗ the near-term projects. It got put on

1:11:55 ↗ and prior prioritized as one of our

1:11:58 ↗ sixear CIP projects. Then it moved into

1:12:01 ↗ the two-year budget and then it became a

1:12:03 ↗ project. So, it does sometimes take a

1:12:06 ↗ long time, but um it's good to reassess

1:12:10 ↗ every few years and see what the

1:12:12 ↗ community needs are and what our

1:12:13 ↗ priorities are.

1:12:17 ↗ So, we're here right now at the six-year

1:12:19 ↗ CIP and luckily we had a really good um

1:12:23 ↗ near-term project list to start off

1:12:25 ↗ from, well vetted out by by the board.

1:12:28 ↗ Uh the capital projects that we wanted

1:12:30 ↗ to put on this six-year CIP were Tibbitz

1:12:33 ↗ Valley Park. That was very um highly

1:12:37 ↗ talked about, highly discussed and um

1:12:40 ↗ came up as one of the top priorities. We

1:12:43 ↗ have Central Park pad 2, the field

1:12:45 ↗ improvements there. Uh third would be

1:12:48 ↗ East Sunset Trail Headmp Improvements.

1:12:51 ↗ Then Veterans Memorial Park, EC house

1:12:53 ↗ restoration, uh, Wayfinding and Park

1:12:56 ↗ signage implementation is going to be

1:12:58 ↗ probably ongoing. Uh, West Highlands

1:13:01 ↗ Park, the Hillside Park Loop Trail, and

1:13:04 ↗ the Harvey Manning Park expansion trail.

1:13:07 ↗ And a lot of these are also timed with

1:13:09 ↗ grant funding capabilities.

1:13:12 ↗ So, we did submit for the East Sunset

1:13:14 ↗ trail head improvements. Um and as time

1:13:18 ↗ allows or or we can do this next year

1:13:21 ↗ for Central Park Park pad too also. So

1:13:25 ↗ that kind of weighs into what gets

1:13:28 ↗ prioritized um before the others, you

1:13:31 ↗ know, and as you know, some projects

1:13:32 ↗ like TIDS are going to take a

1:13:34 ↗ substantial amount of funding. Um it's

1:13:37 ↗ bigger, so it'll take longer planning.

1:13:39 ↗ So some of those we want to start

1:13:41 ↗ earlier in the six cip.

1:13:44 ↗ So also included in the in the CIP are

1:13:47 ↗ capital programs. For parks, we have the

1:13:50 ↗ park and open space acquisition program,

1:13:52 ↗ which is really active this year. Uh the

1:13:55 ↗ playground equipment replacement

1:13:56 ↗ program. Um we find out that some parks,

1:14:00 ↗ depending on how heavily they're used,

1:14:02 ↗ will need updates every 10 to 15, 20

1:14:05 ↗ years. And again, it depends on the

1:14:07 ↗ equipment. It depends on the design and

1:14:09 ↗ how well-loved it is. We have our park

1:14:12 ↗ amenities life cycle replacement

1:14:13 ↗ program, the turf replacement program,

1:14:16 ↗ irrigation and our trail repair program.

1:14:19 ↗ So those are also included along with um

1:14:22 ↗ our capital projects.

1:14:24 ↗ So we just wanted to open up the

1:14:26 ↗ discussion uh let you look at the list

1:14:28 ↗ that we have planned and see what we

1:14:32 ↗ need to switch around or if you think

1:14:34 ↗ just this list as we start the

1:14:36 ↗ priorities make sense based on our

1:14:39 ↗ discussions last year

1:14:43 ↗ separate different parts of facilities

1:14:46 ↗ >> because it's a facility. Yeah.

1:14:53 ↗ We know we need active recreation. We

1:14:56 ↗ know we need fields. And that's

1:14:57 ↗ something that we heard from several

1:15:00 ↗ different levels, several different

1:15:01 ↗ people, several different areas of the

1:15:03 ↗ community. So, that's one thing we

1:15:04 ↗ really want to focus on and hit hard.

1:15:11 ↗ And we got some momentum now with

1:15:13 ↗ Veterans Memorial Park. Senior centers

1:15:15 ↗ going well. We're getting close on both

1:15:17 ↗ of those. Um so we definitely want to

1:15:20 ↗ continue that and make it um an

1:15:23 ↗ integrated space along with the field

1:15:26 ↗ naturally.

1:15:28 ↗ >> Just to add a voice by saying these make

1:15:29 ↗ sense to me in terms of what we've

1:15:31 ↗ talked about in the past. This seems

1:15:32 ↗ like a good mix of two different

1:15:33 ↗ projects and as you said hitting some

1:15:35 ↗ recreation some parks hitting the trail

1:15:37 ↗ head you know so to me this makes sense

1:15:39 ↗ as the imminent priority list and what

1:15:41 ↗ can hopefully be accomplished.

1:15:44 ↗ >> You remind me about West Highlands Park.

1:15:47 ↗ West Highlands Park is right next to the

1:15:50 ↗ hospital. It's one piece of property

1:15:53 ↗ that we know when shelter comes in.

1:15:55 ↗ It'll be an incredibly large community

1:15:57 ↗ over there. It's expanding. So, we do

1:15:59 ↗ have a city- owned parcel over there. Uh

1:16:02 ↗ wooded parcel. It's kind of up on a

1:16:04 ↗ hill,

1:16:06 ↗ but that's the West Islands. that'll be

1:16:12 ↗ >> probably a little bit of a mix um

1:16:14 ↗ because it is heavily wooded. You know,

1:16:16 ↗ we don't want to take down too much of

1:16:18 ↗ the canopy up there. But again, that's

1:16:20 ↗ that's one area where we can get super

1:16:22 ↗ creative with what we do.

1:16:28 ↗ >> And just are any of these projects like

1:16:32 ↗ dependent on federal dollars? like there

1:16:35 ↗ any of these grants that are potentially

1:16:37 ↗ endangered. All of it is okay like

1:16:40 ↗ planned on we of these I guess this is

1:16:44 ↗ the long term

1:16:46 ↗ >> 2732 but the one in the six year range

1:16:48 ↗ the two year range

1:16:51 ↗ are those I'm just trying to understand

1:16:52 ↗ like our budget how it works like where

1:16:54 ↗ the money is

1:16:56 ↗ >> right and and it a part of it comes from

1:16:59 ↗ re part of it comes from general fund um

1:17:02 ↗ but to what I'm I'm not focused on

1:17:05 ↗ federal funding that does have certain

1:17:08 ↗ requirements with it. Um, sometimes

1:17:10 ↗ they're a little bit stricter. The

1:17:12 ↗ senior center right now and Pet Park has

1:17:15 ↗ ARPA funding that is federal funding,

1:17:17 ↗ but right now I'm really focusing on um,

1:17:19 ↗ King County grants

1:17:22 ↗ and local grants.

1:17:26 ↗ >> Yeah. Not just Yeah. Curious like how

1:17:28 ↗ the capital

1:17:31 ↗ >> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

1:17:35 ↗ >> The ARPA money is in here. AR money

1:17:39 ↗ is passion in being spent has be

1:17:45 ↗ >> hi Dan.

1:17:49 ↗ >> Hi. Um quick question and I remember we

1:17:53 ↗ talked about this when we did the

1:17:55 ↗ survey. One of the things that came back

1:17:58 ↗ from many people was this uh dynamic

1:18:02 ↗ tension between pickle ball players and

1:18:05 ↗ tennis players and everybody wanting

1:18:08 ↗ more access to courts. Will that be

1:18:11 ↗ picked up under the Tippets Valley Park

1:18:14 ↗ uh improvement plans? And I I don't

1:18:17 ↗ remember. It seems like we talked about

1:18:18 ↗ that and I just wondered where else that

1:18:20 ↗ might get blended in because to be fair

1:18:23 ↗ that was a pretty loud response on the

1:18:27 ↗ survey uh about those issues. So where

1:18:31 ↗ do those kind of plug in here?

1:18:33 ↗ >> Yeah, very much. Um Tibbitz exactly and

1:18:36 ↗ that's something when we do community

1:18:38 ↗ outreach we'll be asking for those uh

1:18:41 ↗ active recreation the priorities that

1:18:42 ↗ they would like to see at Tibbit. So

1:18:44 ↗ we're anticipating that. Um We had

1:18:47 ↗ archery there.

1:18:48 ↗ >> Yeah, archery came up too. Yeah, it was

1:18:50 ↗ a dog park, archery. It's a really good

1:18:52 ↗ mix. Flashback,

1:18:54 ↗ >> a little bit of everything activities

1:19:06 ↗ for the community. Fields I think came

1:19:09 ↗ out number one along maybe pickle ball

1:19:12 ↗ close second

1:19:14 ↗ and dog park. Yeah, I

1:19:16 ↗ >> think it was pick and tennis both vying

1:19:20 ↗ for

1:19:22 ↗ >> and both wanting to eliminate the other.

1:19:26 ↗ >> Now I think

1:19:30 ↗ >> yes.

1:19:33 ↗ >> Right. Right.

1:19:34 ↗ >> Where's the hillside

1:19:37 ↗ trail? Where is it in the project?

1:19:39 ↗ >> So hillside parkley trail is all around.

1:19:42 ↗ Do you know where upper cemetery is and

1:19:44 ↗ lower cemetery is up on Squawk Mountain?

1:19:49 ↗ >> So, it's large. I I want to say 30

1:19:51 ↗ acres, but I could be wrong on that. Um,

1:19:54 ↗ a loop trail that goes all the way

1:19:56 ↗ around that area and then connects back

1:19:58 ↗ into the new park and the nature trail.

1:20:01 ↗ >> Is it to pave it or maintain it or

1:20:05 ↗ >> to create the trails? I'll create in

1:20:07 ↗ their faces. Maybe

1:20:08 ↗ >> more than likely because of the

1:20:10 ↗ topography out there, it'll be a soft

1:20:13 ↗ nature trail similar to the new one we

1:20:16 ↗ just put in.

1:20:18 ↗ >> Yeah. But expand that whole trail

1:20:20 ↗ system. And I think eventually uh a new

1:20:23 ↗ sidewalk's coming up near there also.

1:20:25 ↗ So, it would tie into that.

1:20:29 ↗ >> Robin, can you remind me for the East

1:20:31 ↗ Sunset trail head improvements? What

1:20:33 ↗ does that entail? Oh, that one I'm

1:20:36 ↗ really excited about because we just

1:20:37 ↗ finished applying for that grant, that

1:20:40 ↗ King King County grant.

1:20:43 ↗ >> Yeah. So, we're looking

1:20:44 ↗ >> and and again,

1:20:48 ↗ that's on the list for sure.

1:20:50 ↗ >> That's on the list. Um,

1:20:53 ↗ you know, it really again, we're going

1:20:55 ↗ to go do public outreach for that one

1:20:57 ↗ and see what the priority priorities

1:20:59 ↗ are. Our thoughts definitely paving.

1:21:02 ↗ >> Oh my gosh. and some permeable type of

1:21:04 ↗ paving more than likely um to get rid of

1:21:06 ↗ those big ruts. I know I I hit that the

1:21:08 ↗ other day too going out there. Um

1:21:11 ↗ restrooms, uh furnishings, benches, but

1:21:15 ↗ really it's what's what everybody would

1:21:18 ↗ like to see out there.

1:21:20 ↗ Great.

1:21:21 ↗ >> And again, that one may need to be

1:21:22 ↗ phased, but there's things we can do

1:21:24 ↗ like get all the utility infrastructure

1:21:26 ↗ in first and so it's easier as as the

1:21:29 ↗ funding comes in to add in restaurants

1:21:31 ↗ or anything later.

1:21:32 ↗ >> Would that require a discovery pass?

1:21:35 ↗ >> No, just an alternative to parking up.

1:21:40 ↗ >> Yeah, a nice alternative, accessible

1:21:42 ↗ alternative.

1:21:44 ↗ >> I think that'd be a really good quick

1:21:46 ↗ win. So, I know it's okay.

1:21:50 ↗ >> I'll let you know when I hear back about

1:21:51 ↗ it. But yeah. Yeah. And we did we want

1:21:54 ↗ to balance and make sure active

1:21:56 ↗ recreation is balanced with trails. Uh

1:21:59 ↗ we're known as trail cities. So, trail

1:22:01 ↗ heads would be more trail heads would be

1:22:03 ↗ advantageous for everybody. That's a

1:22:06 ↗ well-loved trail. I saw people there. It

1:22:08 ↗ was packed at 6:30 the other morning.

1:22:11 ↗ >> So, definitely gets used.

1:22:15 ↗ And I just want to say to arts

1:22:16 ↗ commission, you know, um these are all

1:22:19 ↗ projects really that have art and design

1:22:22 ↗ potential. So I just thought it would be

1:22:24 ↗ cool for you to kind of see where the

1:22:26 ↗ priorities are. They're things that we

1:22:28 ↗ can

1:22:29 ↗ >> collaborate on. That's something Amy and

1:22:31 ↗ I talk about a lot is how to incorporate

1:22:33 ↗ art or some graphics or something into

1:22:36 ↗ the design from the beginning. We're

1:22:39 ↗ both really excited about adding on.

1:22:43 ↗ That was a big piece we talked about

1:22:46 ↗ many meetings ago, but as we look at

1:22:49 ↗ growing and building our parks is

1:22:51 ↗ getting the conversation about art

1:22:52 ↗ started at the beginning.

1:22:54 ↗ >> So that's it's part of the whole

1:22:56 ↗ process, not just we built a park and

1:22:58 ↗ now we're going to pop a thing in it.

1:23:01 ↗ >> Right.

1:23:02 ↗ >> Yeah. And I've done parks where the

1:23:04 ↗ artist has actually been incorporated

1:23:06 ↗ into the design and helped out with the

1:23:08 ↗ design versus an actual piece. they'll

1:23:11 ↗ become the more artistic.

1:23:13 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:23:19 ↗ >> So, that's where we're at with this the

1:23:20 ↗ six year CIP.

1:23:23 ↗ >> Yeah. Exciting. Daunting, but exciting.

1:23:27 ↗ >> We're ready to go.

1:23:31 ↗ >> Money.

1:23:32 ↗ >> Exactly. Yeah. Oh, I forgot about this.

1:23:35 ↗ uh next steps just um so we'll take the

1:23:38 ↗ sixear CIP on May 20th to the services

1:23:41 ↗ safety and park committee then June 9th

1:23:44 ↗ city council regular meeting June 16th

1:23:48 ↗ city council committee of the whole and

1:23:50 ↗ then June 23rd city council regular

1:23:53 ↗ meeting for adoption

1:23:58 ↗ >> is thought that's the those uh council

1:24:00 ↗ meeting dates the entire

1:24:03 ↗ >> the entire process the capital

1:24:05 ↗ improvement plan, not just the parks

1:24:06 ↗ piece right?

1:24:07 ↗ >> Correct. Okay.

1:24:11 ↗ >> Thank you.

1:24:13 ↗ >> Uh so on to reports and Jeff's on

1:24:16 ↗ vacations. We don't have a director

1:24:18 ↗ report. Is that correct?

1:24:19 ↗ >> Correct. I can give you just a quick

1:24:21 ↗ update.

1:24:22 ↗ >> If you would like. Yeah. Hillside, we

1:24:24 ↗ have a ribbon cutting on May 5th. We

1:24:26 ↗ just ask people to try and walk in to

1:24:29 ↗ that one because parking is very limited

1:24:32 ↗ and not on that. Senior center is going

1:24:34 ↗ great. Uh we have the roof on the

1:24:37 ↗ shelter uh left to do and planting and

1:24:41 ↗ then I think we can open up that parking

1:24:43 ↗ area hopefully by the end of May. We're

1:24:45 ↗ shooting for the beginning, but it looks

1:24:46 ↗ like the end of May. And Pet Park, if

1:24:49 ↗ you've been by there, we're installing

1:24:50 ↗ our soil cells for the trees this week.

1:24:53 ↗ Um planter walls are going up. So

1:24:56 ↗ they're moving faster than we can keep

1:24:58 ↗ up right now.

1:25:01 ↗ >> Oh, for a hillside park.

1:25:05 ↗ >> And the mitigation area, we walked it

1:25:07 ↗ last Thursday. It looks amazing. Still

1:25:09 ↗ holding water. Plants are growing like

1:25:11 ↗ crazy now. So it was a good success.

1:25:15 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:25:16 ↗ >> Is there any parking plan for park?

1:25:19 ↗ Because I know people miss it because

1:25:21 ↗ it's such a neighborhood park. Yeah.

1:25:24 ↗ It's really tricky. There's really not

1:25:27 ↗ in the future potential for parking. Um,

1:25:30 ↗ but right now it's it's super limited.

1:25:34 ↗ >> It's just intended to be neighborhood

1:25:36 ↗ access. Correct.

1:25:38 ↗ >> Although the trails and the sidewalks

1:25:40 ↗ that you mentioned earlier would enhance

1:25:44 ↗ >> definitely the trails to come to and

1:25:47 ↗ from to get there. I know there's one

1:25:49 ↗ that goes through the upper cemetery.

1:25:53 ↗ >> The loop, we don't have that laid out

1:25:55 ↗ yet. So, that's something kind of a we'd

1:25:58 ↗ have to walk out there with consultants,

1:26:00 ↗ our design team. U maybe walk out there

1:26:03 ↗ with citizens, see what there's a lot of

1:26:05 ↗ trails that are kind of just naturally

1:26:07 ↗ people are out there making them right

1:26:09 ↗ now. So, that's a good indicator of

1:26:12 ↗ what's feasible. So around connect down

1:26:15 ↗ to lower

1:26:18 ↗ >> um probably at some point.

1:26:20 ↗ >> Okay.

1:26:21 ↗ >> Um again I'm not sure about the layout

1:26:23 ↗ yet.

1:26:25 ↗ >> Hopefully someday all the way down.

1:26:32 ↗ >> I can add really quick art updates. Um

1:26:36 ↗ so uh for pedestrian park and senior

1:26:40 ↗ center plaza the artwork from Jane

1:26:42 ↗ Sakaguchi is in fabrication right now.

1:26:45 ↗ Um and so it will be um installed kind

1:26:49 ↗ of right before the park opens likely.

1:26:52 ↗ Um but that's all coming along. And then

1:26:55 ↗ just wanted to call your attention to

1:26:57 ↗ the utility box artwork rep. Um we've

1:27:00 ↗ opened up call for art for that. So, um

1:27:03 ↗ I can share the call with all of you if

1:27:05 ↗ you would like to share it out to the

1:27:07 ↗ artists in your life. Um and there's

1:27:10 ↗ just no restrictions whatsoever. You can

1:27:12 ↗ be professional, amateur,

1:27:15 ↗ 5 years old, 95 years old. It's really

1:27:17 ↗ super open. Um but we're taking um we're

1:27:20 ↗ taking submissions until June 2nd and

1:27:23 ↗ then the arts commission will review

1:27:24 ↗ them at our June arts commission

1:27:26 ↗ meeting. So, it's always a fun time of

1:27:28 ↗ the year. Um, we've got pink art to wrap

1:27:31 ↗ boxes

1:27:33 ↗ and that's all I

1:27:38 ↗ >> have

1:27:42 ↗ started rolling right through

1:27:43 ↗ everything. Um,

1:27:46 ↗ as Santi and her diligence took away my

1:27:49 ↗ anything that I would have had for

1:27:50 ↗ report. So remember, next meeting is May

1:27:54 ↗ 19th, not on Memorial Day, and uh we

1:27:57 ↗ will have the new members and we would

1:27:59 ↗ like as many people to come as possible

1:28:01 ↗ because we're voting on people to

1:28:03 ↗ replace me and replace one of uh and as

1:28:07 ↗ you can see, it's pretty easy job.

1:28:09 ↗ You're basically just running the

1:28:10 ↗ meeting. So that's it. If you're

1:28:12 ↗ interested, uh, please let Hanti know

1:28:15 ↗ and just because she may need to get

1:28:18 ↗ busy with other things, maybe copy me if

1:28:20 ↗ you're interested in a position.

1:28:23 ↗ And that's everything. Um, we don't have

1:28:28 ↗ a youth report. Forgot Santi told me

1:28:31 ↗ somewhere that what she's up to, but

1:28:34 ↗ kind of missing out on those. Those are

1:28:36 ↗ always fun. Uh, any other business?

1:28:44 ↗ Uh, okay. Look at that. This has got to

1:28:47 ↗ be a record.

1:28:51 ↗ >> Probably tease Jeff about this a little

1:28:52 ↗ bit.

1:28:55 ↗ >> You're going to get yourself reelected.

1:29:02 ↗ >> Okay. Well, then let's talk about some

1:29:07 ↗ with that. At 8:20, we'll uh call the

1:29:10 ↗ meeting ajourned.

1:29:11 ↗ >> Thank you.

1:29:12 ↗ >> Thank you, everyone.

1:29:13 ↗ >> Thank you.

1:29:16 ↗ >> Hi, Kim.

1:29:27 ↗ >> Thought we would do

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Katie Bell Tina Velazquez Hays

David Liu Tracie Mahadeo

Tim Motley (Virtual) Caroline Thienes

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