City Council Committee of the Whole · Saturday, January 28, 2023 · City Council Digest

CITY COUNCIL RETREAT

Public Comment

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Staff report:

Council activity 2: What’s missing? 10:30 – 10:45 am Break 10:45 – 11:30 am Project criteria and the role of boards and commissions Staff presentation & council

Introduction By Council President Walsh, Mayor Pauly & City Administrator Bobkiewicz

15 min

Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) Visioning Activity

45 min

Topics: Budget

Re-thinking the Capital Improvement Plan

30 min

Topics: Budget

CIP Project Criteria & the Role of Boards and Commissions

45 min

Topics: Budget

CIP Funding & Revenue Options 7 - 38 2023 Citywide Workplan & City Council

60 min

Topics: Budget

1:00 PM Agenda

45 min

Public Comment

Closing Remarks

5 min

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0:00 ↗ foreign

0:08 ↗ Council special meeting Retreat as we

0:12 ↗ talk about the capital Improvement uh

0:15 ↗ plan or CIP

0:18 ↗ um we're gonna do a little bit of an

0:20 ↗ introduction here we've got an

0:23 ↗ opportunity for public comment and we're

0:25 ↗ going to go into a conversation about

0:28 ↗ you know what's our vision on this what

0:30 ↗ what goals do we want to accomplish with

0:33 ↗ rethinking the CIP in a conversation

0:36 ↗ about what should be in the CIP

0:39 ↗ talk about our plans we've got a break

0:41 ↗ then at that point

0:43 ↗ a conversation about the kind of

0:46 ↗ criteria and process for rethinking the

0:49 ↗ CIP followed by a lunch break

0:51 ↗ conversation about funding and timeline

0:54 ↗ and then getting into our work plan

0:56 ↗ review as well as public comments at the

0:59 ↗ end

1:00 ↗ if you're hoping to be done by 2PM we're

1:03 ↗ going to keep moving on this as needed

1:05 ↗ so

1:07 ↗ um

1:08 ↗ Zach did you have some comments about

1:11 ↗ kind of why we're doing this yeah yeah

1:14 ↗ yeah definitely so yeah we wanted to

1:16 ↗ take a moment to step back for a minute

1:18 ↗ too and just talk about why we're here

1:20 ↗ so

1:21 ↗ um you know last year we sat down right

1:23 ↗ here and we took about a big step back

1:25 ↗ to think ahead the things strategically

1:27 ↗ to think intentionally and the result of

1:30 ↗ that was one of the best budget Seasons

1:32 ↗ we've had a really long time

1:34 ↗ uh similarly uh some of you were around

1:37 ↗ uh on Council are participating in other

1:39 ↗ ways when our community took a big step

1:41 ↗ back to set a new vision a new Mission

1:43 ↗ uh to set new goals for issaquah's

1:46 ↗ future that guide every decision that we

1:48 ↗ make and that would become our strategic

1:50 ↗ plan

1:51 ↗ um Idols argued that the incredible work

1:53 ↗ going on the update Title 18 is a big

1:55 ↗ step back to think big

1:58 ↗ um so all this to say that one of the

1:59 ↗ community and the council and the

2:01 ↗ administration come together to take a

2:03 ↗ step back

2:04 ↗ consider where we are to consider where

2:06 ↗ we ought to be history tells us that we

2:10 ↗ can create something amazing that we can

2:12 ↗ have a lasting impact on the community

2:14 ↗ by way of our plans by way of being

2:16 ↗ intentional so we think it's time to do

2:18 ↗ that again

2:20 ↗ um this time to re-examine how we invest

2:22 ↗ in infrastructure and as we all know

2:25 ↗ it's a long game for meetings like these

2:27 ↗ to ribbon cuttings Capital Improvements

2:29 ↗ that we prioritize and fund Take Years

2:32 ↗ sometimes decades and that's why it's so

2:36 ↗ important to get this right so we've got

2:38 ↗ a lot of good stuff planned today I'm

2:39 ↗ really excited

2:53 ↗ so thank you for coming together

2:56 ↗ um we will talk a little later on toward

2:59 ↗ the end uh about the rest of the year

3:01 ↗ but this is the first of three uh

3:04 ↗ Council uh work plan workshops uh that

3:07 ↗ we have scheduled we've done two the

3:09 ↗ last few years we wanted to add a third

3:12 ↗ because of the importance of the capital

3:14 ↗ planning and I think Deputy council

3:16 ↗ president really did a great job of kind

3:19 ↗ of providing uh the context of the

3:21 ↗ importance of that uh

3:24 ↗ but from the administration's standpoint

3:26 ↗ first and foremost we wanted to say we

3:28 ↗ hear you uh that over the last couple of

3:31 ↗ years I think we have heard the

3:33 ↗ frustration of some members of the

3:35 ↗ council saying that we have asked our

3:36 ↗ boards and commissions to do a whole

3:38 ↗ variety of long-range plans uh and I

3:41 ↗ think there's been the feeling that not

3:43 ↗ all of the projects initiatives programs

3:47 ↗ that have been identified in those

3:48 ↗ Armory plans I've had an opportunity to

3:50 ↗ be folded into our Capital planning

3:53 ↗ process so we wanted to take this

3:54 ↗ opportunity at the very beginning of the

3:58 ↗ calendar year

3:59 ↗ to say we would like to see a process

4:03 ↗ and I think you would love a licensing

4:04 ↗ process it has a much greater focus on

4:07 ↗ the projects and initiatives in those

4:09 ↗ plans that we then also have a a

4:12 ↗ significant involvement with our boards

4:14 ↗ and commissions as we go through this

4:16 ↗ process to check in make sure the

4:19 ↗ evaluation criteria for proposed

4:21 ↗ projects uh meshed with their thinking

4:24 ↗ that once there are projects identified

4:26 ↗ that that measures what they're thinking

4:28 ↗ so what you will hear from the

4:31 ↗ administration today

4:33 ↗ through Andrew's presentations uh

4:35 ↗ hopefully is their response that meets

4:37 ↗ those challenges

4:39 ↗ um we've been talking about rethinking

4:40 ↗ the capital plan you know it's really

4:42 ↗ more of a refinement we are already

4:45 ↗ investing a lot of resources in capital

4:47 ↗ uh budget capital projects and that has

4:52 ↗ started coming out of the pandemic I

4:55 ↗ think it will continue in a significant

4:57 ↗ way as we move forward but we want to be

5:00 ↗ responsive to you we want to be

5:01 ↗ responsive to the community we want to

5:04 ↗ respond to the needs that the physical

5:06 ↗ infrastructure of the city maps so this

5:09 ↗ meeting really I think is meant to be a

5:12 ↗ lighting of a fuse to say the struggles

5:15 ↗ we've had over the last several years on

5:17 ↗ many many fronts returning that corner

5:19 ↗ and now it really focus on accomplishing

5:22 ↗ a lot of moving forward uh the the one

5:27 ↗ caveat in all of this is resources

5:29 ↗ um there's a lot on our plate um we all

5:32 ↗ want from a staff administration's

5:33 ↗ perspective to deliver for you the city

5:36 ↗ council for the larger community on the

5:39 ↗ needs and desires that you have but to

5:42 ↗ do that takes a lot of different kinds

5:44 ↗ of resources it takes plain old cash

5:47 ↗ um and we are fortunate coming out of

5:49 ↗ the pandemic that we had a lot of

5:51 ↗ resources not only of our own savings

5:53 ↗ but also for the federal government and

5:55 ↗ so there are a lot of active projects

5:57 ↗ that currently being done

5:59 ↗ we remain concerned that the resources

6:01 ↗ necessary on the staff side to

6:04 ↗ accomplish those projects remain

6:06 ↗ challenges difficult markets hire people

6:09 ↗ we are trying to hire engineers and and

6:13 ↗ project staff at certain levels of

6:16 ↗ experience and quite honestly they're

6:17 ↗ just not there and so we've made the

6:19 ↗ decision instead to hire the best and

6:22 ↗ brightest that we can find and then work

6:24 ↗ with them on the levels of experience

6:26 ↗ managing projects working on projects

6:28 ↗ and so that that divide uh is an

6:32 ↗ important one to note because we can't

6:35 ↗ just ask a lot of these individuals take

6:37 ↗ a project and run and do it like you've

6:38 ↗ done projects in previous jobs in some

6:41 ↗ cases while we have very smart talented

6:43 ↗ staff they don't have that kind of

6:45 ↗ experience so that's the additional

6:47 ↗ layer of energy that's required there

6:51 ↗ um also the community because we have

6:52 ↗ you know a small but dedicated group of

6:56 ↗ community members who

6:58 ↗ um are Relentless in wanting connection

7:02 ↗ and information about capital projects

7:04 ↗ and if we are going to continue that

7:06 ↗ level of responsiveness that also takes

7:09 ↗ time and energy over many years we've

7:12 ↗ relied on Project Engineers who are busy

7:14 ↗ designing the project working with

7:15 ↗ Consultants also then to spend many

7:17 ↗ hours responding to emails for community

7:19 ↗ members

7:20 ↗ um we don't think that makes sense

7:22 ↗ forward we need our project Engineers to

7:24 ↗ do engineering not necessarily Community

7:26 ↗ engagement so we're looking at ways to

7:29 ↗ address that

7:30 ↗ before and then Bali the biggest

7:31 ↗ resource of all is additional dollars uh

7:35 ↗ to make these projects happen and to do

7:37 ↗ it in a way

7:39 ↗ um find those dollars in a way that's

7:40 ↗ responsible that connects back with the

7:42 ↗ community and one of the things you will

7:44 ↗ hear from us today is that we believe

7:46 ↗ the time has come but we need to go to

7:48 ↗ the voters of this cloth and say we need

7:51 ↗ additional help through financial

7:52 ↗ resources to support some of these

7:55 ↗ initiatives so we're excited to be here

7:57 ↗ we've spent a lot of time

7:59 ↗ um being ready to talk today about the

8:02 ↗ capital planning process we truly as a

8:05 ↗ staff of the administration

8:07 ↗ um I believe this is so incredibly

8:08 ↗ important to the future of this

8:10 ↗ community people move here because of

8:13 ↗ this natural beauty is gone people move

8:15 ↗ here because of the infrastructure the

8:18 ↗ parks the streets all the things that

8:20 ↗ make up this community that's what we

8:22 ↗ have going for us and so if the economy

8:24 ↗ changes if work Styles change if housing

8:27 ↗ options change we still want to remain a

8:31 ↗ very attractive place for people to be

8:32 ↗ and to do that as a lot of investment

8:35 ↗ Capital dollars and so we're committed

8:38 ↗ to do that with uh really all of you and

8:41 ↗ the community our boards and commissions

8:43 ↗ as good partners so at the end of the

8:45 ↗ day what we do have is something people

8:47 ↗ excited about people good about and

8:49 ↗ really moves this community forward so

8:51 ↗ we're really excited to be here and talk

8:53 ↗ about all this great so taking that idea

8:57 ↗ forward to kind of look back and you go

9:00 ↗ but we've had a cfp

9:01 ↗ but we've identified the projects and

9:05 ↗ they're you know you certainly refer to

9:08 ↗ demonstrate above which talk about how

9:10 ↗ we've also done planning with our boards

9:12 ↗ and commissions and those plans and

9:16 ↗ projects that are in those plans haven't

9:18 ↗ really had a process for making it into

9:20 ↗ the CIP so that was one of the major

9:23 ↗ reasons to do this rethinking

9:27 ↗ um the other is you know if we need to

9:30 ↗ have a set of projects in a six-year

9:34 ↗ period that we really want to accomplish

9:37 ↗ that the planned selection and the

9:39 ↗ criteria for why those projects are in

9:42 ↗ the CIP is both transparent and

9:45 ↗ realistic realistic for what we can get

9:48 ↗ done but also realistic for what our

9:51 ↗ community needs at this point that it's

9:53 ↗ not just dictated by the cash on hand

9:56 ↗ availability and then that third part is

10:00 ↗ the fund it so we have a clear plan to

10:06 ↗ accomplish these projects you heard that

10:07 ↗ coming out of the community funding task

10:09 ↗ force and so this is really that next

10:12 ↗ step of that process

10:15 ↗ um so at this point I was gonna see if

10:19 ↗ the mayor wanted any introductory

10:21 ↗ comments as I mean just in time do you

10:26 ↗ want to say anything introductory

10:27 ↗ otherwise we're going to go into public

10:28 ↗ comments okay well I want to apologize

10:31 ↗ for being amazed I uh snooze the first

10:34 ↗ alarm slept through second alarm and my

10:37 ↗ third alarm is off skiing I just woke up

10:39 ↗ I probably had pillow marks on my face

10:42 ↗ um I'm really excited that you've

10:44 ↗ decided to tackle this and challenge uh

10:46 ↗ it's been interesting serving with Cola

10:50 ↗ for now over a Dozen Years watching how

10:54 ↗ this process has sort of been one that

10:57 ↗ has evolved as much as others so looking

11:00 ↗ very forward to council's conversation

11:02 ↗ today and to the retreat fantastic

11:05 ↗ thanks yes go get food

11:09 ↗ um so at this point

11:11 ↗ um clerk I would ask do we have we don't

11:13 ↗ have anybody in the public here we have

11:15 ↗ wonderful staff who is sitting over here

11:17 ↗ but um do we have any public on the

11:21 ↗ oh and obviously we wouldn't have

11:23 ↗ anybody online because we're recording

11:25 ↗ no no we the WebEx channel is open we

11:28 ↗ had someone really briefly um join us

11:30 ↗ but they're not here now

11:32 ↗ so to ask the question yeah what does

11:35 ↗ success look like today

11:37 ↗ success for today it looks like so one

11:41 ↗ of the statements or one of the

11:43 ↗ processes we're going to go through is

11:45 ↗ creating kind of the goals and outcomes

11:47 ↗ chart like the title 8 team so that we

11:50 ↗ have an idea of what this process looks

11:53 ↗ like at the end point when it's

11:54 ↗ successful so one is setting at the

11:57 ↗ stage for this next set of work

12:00 ↗ um the other is I think staff would like

12:03 ↗ to come away with the idea that we have

12:06 ↗ Council buy-in on where the window of

12:09 ↗ projects are that we should be looking

12:12 ↗ at so that they can go back do more work

12:14 ↗ on you know what's the viability of this

12:17 ↗ do we have the staff of resources to do

12:19 ↗ it so that then they can come back to

12:21 ↗ both the board's provisions and council

12:23 ↗ at various touch points and be able to

12:26 ↗ say okay

12:27 ↗ this is the landscape of the projects

12:30 ↗ out there and then

12:33 ↗ um work through the criteria so I think

12:35 ↗ those are the two big things the third

12:37 ↗ one is really introducing the idea of

12:41 ↗ the funding timelines

12:43 ↗ um but there's future conversations to

12:46 ↗ really get to a true bi-in on that

12:49 ↗ anything else that you would add while

12:51 ↗ there Andrea okay that's great yeah

12:54 ↗ indeed and towards that idea you know I

12:57 ↗ will apologize a little bit that we

12:58 ↗ don't have

13:00 ↗ all of the staff presentations in

13:04 ↗ um the packet both for Council and the

13:07 ↗ public but we really wanted this to be

13:10 ↗ Council lit we wanted it to be something

13:12 ↗ where we weren't necessarily reacting to

13:16 ↗ or already going down the process as

13:19 ↗ staff has had to do to be prepared for

13:21 ↗ this but then we were really thinking

13:24 ↗ about it from kind of the Baseline of

13:28 ↗ why are we rethinking this and what

13:31 ↗ should the outcomes be so we decided to

13:34 ↗ not have the staff presentations in

13:37 ↗ there so that we could really do it

13:38 ↗ based on those ideas

13:41 ↗ so

13:43 ↗ think at this point

13:47 ↗ um the next part we're on to part C

13:49 ↗ which is the capital Improvement plan

13:51 ↗ visioning goals and outcome

13:52 ↗ brainstorming activity Andrea do you

13:55 ↗ want to kick us off with presentation or

13:57 ↗ do you have anything to kind of talk

14:00 ↗ through what the idea is there uh so I

14:04 ↗ think

14:05 ↗ um not really I think we uh have a

14:08 ↗ number of both of the Administration has

14:10 ↗ identified we can go over those after

14:11 ↗ the activity that Council does in the

14:13 ↗ spirit of making sure this is Council

14:15 ↗ LED and you're not reacting to something

14:16 ↗ from the administration so

14:19 ↗ um I I welcome you to kick us off okay I

14:22 ↗ just wanted to make sure give you guys

14:24 ↗ the opportunity

14:27 ↗ um Okay so

14:29 ↗ Zach are you gonna want to use the

14:32 ↗ SharePoint

14:33 ↗ and have that presented or do you want

14:36 ↗ to go scribble on the board should we

14:39 ↗ ask Council so you guys care yeah we

14:41 ↗ have a couple options in terms of taking

14:42 ↗ notes at The Last Retreat that we did

14:44 ↗ here remember I took some notes kind of

14:46 ↗ on the Whiteboard so everyone could see

14:48 ↗ it we also kind of have a shared

14:49 ↗ document that we could just start

14:50 ↗ putting in it is it important for you

14:52 ↗ all to kind of see it while we're having

14:53 ↗ this conversation on board if so I can

14:56 ↗ go stand up there right now

15:00 ↗ okay

15:03 ↗ yeah

15:04 ↗ so

15:06 ↗ I was thinking we would start off with

15:08 ↗ you know I think the Administration has

15:12 ↗ done a good job of kind of

15:14 ↗ saying hey these are the three things

15:16 ↗ that we've heard from Council the boards

15:18 ↗ and commissions and the community that

15:20 ↗ are causing us to want to rethink the

15:23 ↗ CIP and the plan and the projects in

15:27 ↗ there so going through some of those as

15:31 ↗ a way to so

15:34 ↗ how familiar is everybody with the title

15:36 ↗ 18 goals and outcomes Center

15:39 ↗ oh okay so let me take a step back there

15:42 ↗ then yeah I know you're you're gonna

15:44 ↗ have that mistakes

15:46 ↗ um

15:47 ↗ so when the title 18 process started out

15:51 ↗ we

15:52 ↗ um as Council created an ad hoc to kind

15:55 ↗ of work with staff on that beginning

15:57 ↗ point one of the things that the adpoc

15:59 ↗ group did was to kind of say hey we need

16:03 ↗ to define the scope of this project

16:05 ↗ because taking on Title 18 and our land

16:07 ↗ use code could have just continued on

16:10 ↗ and on and on so we wanted to set a a

16:13 ↗ set of goals of when we come out of this

16:16 ↗ process if we've done these things

16:19 ↗ um we will see this as assistant success

16:22 ↗ and so the columns of that chart are

16:25 ↗ things like okay the goal one of the

16:28 ↗ goals for Title 18 was that our forested

16:31 ↗ hillsides were protected and then there

16:34 ↗ were possible actions and then

16:37 ↗ um or objectives actions and

16:40 ↗ yeah desired outcomes and that kind of

16:44 ↗ traces it through the process

16:46 ↗ what we didn't do as the ad Punk was

16:49 ↗ Define all of those what we were able to

16:51 ↗ do was say these are the problems and

16:54 ↗ maybe these are the outcomes and then we

16:56 ↗ let staff fill in the rest of that so I

17:00 ↗ think our goal here for the next 45 or

17:04 ↗ so minutes is really to make sure we

17:06 ↗ have all of the goals or problem

17:09 ↗ statements kind of listed out and then

17:12 ↗ fill in some of those outcomes

17:17 ↗ do you want do you want to just start

17:19 ↗ over there

17:21 ↗ for some reason it's I'm sharing it but

17:24 ↗ it won't and I can see it but it's not

17:26 ↗ showing up no worries we are flexible

17:29 ↗ absolutely so

17:33 ↗ yeah and so if you want to kind of take

17:37 ↗ one column which is kind of the goals or

17:41 ↗ the problem statements and then another

17:43 ↗ column that is kind of the

17:46 ↗ outcomes or objectives I think it's

17:49 ↗ really the

17:52 ↗ the

17:59 ↗ I think I'll just add to you think of

18:01 ↗ this really as a brain done you guys so

18:03 ↗ like you can reorganize and restructure

18:06 ↗ things to make it fit into goals

18:08 ↗ problems

18:09 ↗ excited outcomes at a later date too and

18:12 ↗ staff I'm sure will want to find with

18:13 ↗ them as well yeah so I think as an

18:17 ↗ example I'll start with one of the

18:20 ↗ things that the Administration has said

18:23 ↗ which is hey we've

18:26 ↗ projects from the boards and commissions

18:29 ↗ their plans don't really have a path for

18:32 ↗ inclusion to the CIP so from both the

18:36 ↗ administration and my standpoint I would

18:39 ↗ say that is one of the problems or goals

18:44 ↗ with the current process which is we

18:47 ↗ have a CIP which has a bunch of projects

18:49 ↗ in there but then we create say the

18:52 ↗ master Mobility plan and all of the

18:54 ↗ items in the master Mobility plan art

18:57 ↗ don't have a path to be included in the

19:01 ↗ CIP so if you would put that down as

19:04 ↗ the first problem

19:07 ↗ and I stated as a positive instead of

19:09 ↗ both sure that there's a path

19:13 ↗ um for suggestions from the boards and

19:16 ↗ commissions to make it into the CIP yeah

19:29 ↗ and then while Zach is writing the

19:32 ↗ Victoria

19:35 ↗ um

19:36 ↗ analogy or the comparison to the post

19:40 ↗ from the totally team country

19:42 ↗ um and we did there was an ad hoc but

19:44 ↗ then we also went to the full Council on

19:46 ↗ full Council weighed in early in the

19:48 ↗ process

19:49 ↗ um and here we're weighing into physical

19:51 ↗ concept from the beginning which I think

19:52 ↗ is great

19:53 ↗ um in that goals and outcomes we have

19:56 ↗ umbrella goals which work for everything

19:58 ↗ and then we have specific problems that

20:00 ↗ we wanted to address and I think that

20:02 ↗ could probably serve us well because

20:03 ↗ some of this is processed and some of

20:05 ↗ this is probably specific to

20:07 ↗ in infrastructure that needs to get done

20:10 ↗ um and so uh one of them actually is

20:13 ↗ provide a transparent code update

20:15 ↗ process that allows for groups and

20:16 ↗ individuals to engage in the process

20:18 ↗ that's one of our umbrella goals for

20:19 ↗ Title 18 and I think that's basically

20:21 ↗ what we're seeing here and I think

20:23 ↗ they're they're pretty much all

20:24 ↗ applicable just maybe three

20:28 ↗ um rearrange them there's also address

20:30 ↗ current laws and best practices make it

20:32 ↗ easier to understand and organize and

20:34 ↗ provide uh realign with our community

20:37 ↗ aspirations for the city has provided in

20:39 ↗ adopted plans so all of those are okay

20:42 ↗ so what I'm hearing from that is not

20:45 ↗ only do we need some of these specific

20:47 ↗ problems and goals and outcomes but also

20:50 ↗ thinking about the overall process and

20:53 ↗ having some umbrella goals that kind of

20:57 ↗ reflect

20:59 ↗ something that you know we want things

21:02 ↗ to reflect the best practices and all of

21:05 ↗ that okay so I'm gonna maybe note that

21:08 ↗ down as just umbrella goals

21:11 ↗ um and say that that's something for

21:14 ↗ staff to kind of fill in

21:16 ↗ as possible

21:22 ↗ Chris

21:24 ↗ uh so one of the things that I would

21:26 ↗ like to see us accomplish is that the

21:29 ↗ CIP becomes doable

21:31 ↗ that it's not a planning document it's

21:34 ↗ actually a path to executing documents

21:37 ↗ so that we do complete stuff and then we

21:39 ↗ complete stuff every year

21:42 ↗ and so talk through that a little bit

21:44 ↗ more so that we can maybe put it in a

21:48 ↗ statement here because there's a lot to

21:49 ↗ that there's the concept of you know we

21:52 ↗ make significant progress on our things

21:56 ↗ annually yeah yeah and so the the

22:01 ↗ so my frustration with the CIP I'll

22:03 ↗ start it there and then we can figure

22:04 ↗ out what this goal looks like is we talk

22:06 ↗ about a lot of stuff and we plan a lot

22:08 ↗ of stuff and we do nothing I mean we we

22:10 ↗ get very very few things on the CIP come

22:12 ↗ off the CIP because because they're done

22:14 ↗ and and I I really feel strongly that we

22:18 ↗ need to say if we're only going to do

22:20 ↗ one thing this year let's just do one

22:21 ↗ thing and get it done instead of having

22:23 ↗ 17 things going on and everything is

22:26 ↗ just kind of Motoring along for years so

22:29 ↗ we just it's a it's a focus thing

22:32 ↗ um we focus on a couple of successes

22:34 ↗ every year a couple of targets every

22:36 ↗ year and we bring things to closure

22:38 ↗ every year

22:40 ↗ can I ask a question yeah so I'm you

22:44 ↗ know it's a regulatory requirement to

22:46 ↗ the plan yeah I'm wondering if you're

22:48 ↗ thinking about maybe the process within

22:51 ↗ your budget process which is your

22:53 ↗ execution where there's better tracking

22:55 ↗ of what has Council approved in the

22:59 ↗ budget and where that project is because

23:02 ↗ the plan is a plan no one and I I think

23:04 ↗ planning is super great I spent most of

23:06 ↗ my life as a as a planner and and so

23:09 ↗ well oh my god

23:11 ↗ um

23:11 ↗ so no planning is absolutely essential

23:13 ↗ but planning without execution is

23:16 ↗ um not not it's not good so

23:20 ↗ um so it's not that it's not about

23:21 ↗ tracking where we are in the process

23:22 ↗ it's about making a commitment to get

23:24 ↗ things done it's it's about saying we're

23:26 ↗ going to get some stuff done that's all

23:28 ↗ I'm driving for

23:30 ↗ so would you put that down uh under

23:33 ↗ goals as like making progress

23:37 ↗ or I guess I'm tired of progress I want

23:40 ↗ completions and so we can't get it

23:43 ↗ against something

23:45 ↗ I just want to know why we you know I've

23:47 ↗ been on Council for five years uh we put

23:49 ↗ the stoplight in I probably at

23:51 ↗ Providence Point hooray I don't think I

23:54 ↗ can point to anything major to else that

23:56 ↗ we've done

23:57 ↗ so it's just you know kind of um how do

24:00 ↗ we make sure we get stuff done

24:03 ↗ um how do we not only make progress

24:05 ↗ because

24:06 ↗ um but well maybe this is it thank you

24:08 ↗ it's making progress towards very

24:09 ↗ specific milestones and then there's

24:11 ↗ accountability to hitting those

24:12 ↗ milestones and that series of Milestones

24:14 ↗ gets us to completion

24:17 ↗ so progress plus completion I'm going to

24:21 ↗ go Tola Victoria Barb I'm I'm gonna work

24:26 ↗ oh sorry

24:31 ↗ I'm just sort of rip off of what the

24:33 ↗ mayor said

24:34 ↗ um uh some of these things are

24:36 ↗ multi-year right and uh I would hate to

24:40 ↗ I mean I know Chris isn't saying only do

24:42 ↗ things that you can accomplish in a year

24:45 ↗ but you know I understand uh

24:49 ↗ you know let's let's dotsonize across

24:51 ↗ the t's uh the way I think of it is in

24:54 ↗ terms of having more explicit Milestones

24:57 ↗ that people are held to I feel like uh

25:01 ↗ we don't I feel like I often say like

25:03 ↗ what's the next Milestone on this

25:04 ↗ project what's the next Milestone on

25:05 ↗ this project and it may well be the

25:07 ↗ Administration has all those and they

25:08 ↗ just don't bring them to us but I would

25:10 ↗ on these on these capital projects I

25:12 ↗ would be happy if it was a three-year

25:14 ↗ project to hear here's what we're going

25:16 ↗ to do in the first half of 23 here's the

25:18 ↗ second half of 23 here's the first half

25:19 ↗ of 24. here's the second half of 24. and

25:22 ↗ then hold those accountable say we told

25:23 ↗ you we were gonna have this done at the

25:25 ↗ end of June here's where we're at and

25:27 ↗ and that to me it wouldn't be the

25:28 ↗ entirety of what you're talking about

25:30 ↗ but for me it would be a big step

25:31 ↗ forward so putting so so having some

25:34 ↗ mechanism some Cadence of milestones and

25:37 ↗ accountability to the council for major

25:38 ↗ capital projects would be would be

25:41 ↗ instead of restate that under the

25:44 ↗ problems and goals as having Clarity of

25:46 ↗ milestones and accountability of but you

25:49 ↗ know strictly back on those Milestones

25:51 ↗ yeah hi and I don't think that's that

25:55 ↗ far from what I was suggesting yeah

25:56 ↗ exactly I'm kind of tying those two

25:58 ↗ together it has the problem or goal as

26:01 ↗ well as the objective so the objective

26:04 ↗ or the desired outcome that we achieve

26:06 ↗ by having the clarity of milestones and

26:09 ↗ the accountability is that we can see

26:12 ↗ progress toward completion of items and

26:16 ↗ it's not sometimes people would be like

26:18 ↗ give me the next 12 weeks and give me a

26:20 ↗ milestone for each of those weeks it's

26:21 ↗ none of that right for me if you could

26:23 ↗ even do it twice a year on these big

26:25 ↗ projects right an example might be uh

26:28 ↗ our long-term plan for Confluence part

26:30 ↗ right and what are the major half-year

26:32 ↗ Milestones towards what we're doing for

26:34 ↗ College Park thank you

26:36 ↗ okay

26:38 ↗ [Music]

26:39 ↗ um

26:42 ↗ so one of my problems that I feel we

26:47 ↗ have is that uh we don't have a

26:50 ↗ systematic evaluation across the whole

26:53 ↗ CIP or one that's really visible and

26:55 ↗ possible for Council or for the public

26:57 ↗ to engage in to see why certain projects

27:01 ↗ are evaluated or wiser projects are

27:04 ↗ happening certain projects aren't so I

27:06 ↗ think a systematic evaluation that would

27:07 ↗ lead to a prioritization

27:09 ↗ would be great and in my understanding

27:13 ↗ um and in my life looking at what some

27:15 ↗ other cips for other cities do they do

27:17 ↗ this systematic evaluation and a

27:19 ↗ prioritization like with the Matrix and

27:21 ↗ it says this one we need to do because

27:23 ↗ state law says we have to do it and then

27:26 ↗ and that Council doesn't have to talk

27:28 ↗ about that one because it's gonna it's

27:29 ↗ prioritized because it has to be done or

27:32 ↗ this one is done for safety and then we

27:33 ↗ can talk about the merits of that as a

27:35 ↗ Safety project but then we can kind of

27:37 ↗ have a place to grab onto for those

27:40 ↗ discussions and then we can see things

27:42 ↗ prioritized differently potentially

27:44 ↗ based on the needs of the community

27:47 ↗ um so that's really my I think that was

27:49 ↗ one of my

27:51 ↗ um one of my

27:53 ↗ thoughts also as council president

27:55 ↗ because I was council president when we

27:56 ↗ did this process and I felt like our

27:58 ↗ conversations didn't really

28:01 ↗ continue where they left off and part of

28:03 ↗ that was because we didn't have a sort

28:05 ↗ of systematic evaluation that we could

28:07 ↗ then reevaluate the next year and

28:09 ↗ continue to prioritize based on the

28:12 ↗ needs of the community for our next

28:14 ↗ conversation we kind of started from

28:16 ↗ this huge list of things some of which

28:18 ↗ could get done some of which you know

28:21 ↗ are going to be on the back burner for a

28:22 ↗ long time kind of tried to Grapple with

28:24 ↗ the magnitude of all of them but then

28:26 ↗ didn't have a systematic way of

28:28 ↗ evaluating and then that did a carryover

28:30 ↗ and then we did the whole thing again

28:31 ↗ okay

28:33 ↗ I'm sorry I just got a prescription and

28:36 ↗ foreign

28:38 ↗ systematic evaluation missing which I

28:40 ↗ think is good okay

28:43 ↗ so maybe maybe also prioritization yeah

28:46 ↗ criteria and prioritization

28:48 ↗ could be even a separate line

28:56 ↗ and Russell

28:58 ↗ I have two things that I want to focus

29:01 ↗ on first of all

29:02 ↗ um uh Chris's statements are exactly

29:06 ↗ what I was thinking of is that we just

29:09 ↗ in addition to completing the light and

29:12 ↗ Providence Point we put a whole bunch of

29:14 ↗ money into payment Management program we

29:16 ↗ put a whole bunch of money into the

29:17 ↗ concrete Management program and I bet we

29:20 ↗ are the only people in Issaquah that

29:22 ↗ know that that happened

29:24 ↗ um we just need to do a better job of

29:27 ↗ communicating and taking it out of the

29:30 ↗ CID you can't expect people to go to the

29:32 ↗ CIP and understand what it is that we're

29:35 ↗ accomplishing and planning and

29:36 ↗ accomplishing so I in my mind and this

29:39 ↗ is very specific so please just you know

29:42 ↗ I'm just giving an example what if we

29:44 ↗ send out a postcard every six months and

29:46 ↗ said one two three four five you know

29:49 ↗ things that we've done in the area of

29:52 ↗ Transportation or the CRT and as uh as

29:56 ↗ Tola said you know those are the things

29:59 ↗ that public will hold is accountable for

30:01 ↗ because that's that's right in front of

30:02 ↗ them they don't have to go look for it

30:04 ↗ and it's you know it's something very

30:07 ↗ easy you pull it out of the CIT here are

30:10 ↗ the five things we're actually going to

30:11 ↗ plan to get done in 2024 2023 whatever

30:15 ↗ so and then my second is in terms of

30:20 ↗ goals uh process goals

30:24 ↗ um this is the way I wrote it

30:25 ↗ communicate in ways that inform teach

30:29 ↗ and engage community members

30:31 ↗ um and I think if we don't wrap

30:34 ↗ communication into our CRT then we're

30:37 ↗ just not really achieving our goals

30:39 ↗ because the public doesn't understand

30:40 ↗ what we've done for them but we plan to

30:44 ↗ do for them and when we're also where we

30:47 ↗ don't have the resources to do some

30:49 ↗ things for them so so that would be uh I

30:53 ↗ think that's a goal that we the process

30:55 ↗ goal that we need to increase

31:04 ↗ I really like that

31:07 ↗ engaged

31:09 ↗ those are three different levels of

31:12 ↗ teaching to me implies a deeper

31:14 ↗ conversation than just informing I wrote

31:17 ↗ that over here thinking about it

31:19 ↗ yeah we're going yeah okay

31:26 ↗ oh I've got a whole list so don't even

31:29 ↗ worry go ahead

31:32 ↗ I wanted to expand a little bit on the

31:35 ↗ mayor's comment about the budget we went

31:37 ↗ to a two-year budget so that we can have

31:38 ↗ a little bit of a long-range planning in

31:41 ↗ our in our project so

31:43 ↗ um Chris I agree that we should uh watch

31:46 ↗ these projects on a yearly basis to make

31:48 ↗ sure that we're doing what we need to do

31:49 ↗ but

31:51 ↗ um perhaps we should step back a little

31:52 ↗ bit and put it in a two-year context so

31:54 ↗ the budget matches up with what we're

31:57 ↗ tracking a little bit better so that

31:59 ↗ each year we can say this is what we

32:01 ↗ approved in the budget this is where we

32:03 ↗ are with the project and then it's the

32:05 ↗ onus is on Council to learn about those

32:07 ↗ projects and communicate with the

32:09 ↗ administration so that when people come

32:10 ↗ to talk to us and say you know I really

32:13 ↗ would like a stoplight oh well the most

32:15 ↗ recent ones I would really like some

32:17 ↗ speed but I'm just right outside of this

32:18 ↗ Cloud Valley Elementary and so

32:22 ↗ um we can either say that's not on the

32:24 ↗ CIP or that is on the CIP that's going

32:27 ↗ to be done X year and so that we're more

32:30 ↗ knowledgeable about what projects are

32:32 ↗ coming down and when they're going to

32:35 ↗ get done but put it into your context so

32:37 ↗ it matches up the lines with a bunch a

32:39 ↗ little bit more and then we are moving

32:41 ↗ all together with our documents and our

32:43 ↗ information going forward

32:45 ↗ so let me ask a question there the CIP

32:49 ↗ is inherently a six-year document and

32:53 ↗ lists so

32:55 ↗ when projects would be accomplished

32:58 ↗ within that six year where in the first

32:59 ↗ two years are more certain because

33:01 ↗ they're in the budget so what are you

33:04 ↗ proposing that would be different

33:07 ↗ like more certainty

33:09 ↗ long term I just think that when we're

33:13 ↗ well I'll speak for myself when I'm out

33:15 ↗ in the community

33:17 ↗ and people ask

33:18 ↗ when will the transit Terminus be done

33:23 ↗ I can't refer them to a document that

33:26 ↗ kind of gives us a plan to say it's

33:28 ↗ going to be done in 2043 when soundtrack

33:32 ↗ gets here I'm just using an extreme

33:34 ↗ example because we we really don't know

33:35 ↗ where where that's going to be but but

33:37 ↗ if I can say with more certainty that

33:39 ↗ this is on a plan this is when it's

33:42 ↗ going to get done or I can tell the

33:44 ↗ public that it is going to get done this

33:46 ↗ year because we have this commitment I

33:48 ↗ think the council will do a better job

33:50 ↗ of community communicating these things

33:52 ↗ and people will understand products are

33:54 ↗ going to get done they see that this the

33:56 ↗ city is doing well with all the

33:58 ↗ different pieces and that their voice is

34:00 ↗ being heard and something is going to

34:02 ↗ get done that they're concerned about in

34:03 ↗ a specific year of time period

34:07 ↗ um

34:08 ↗ it's kind of like no one wrote anything

34:10 ↗ down that I said that's perfect um

34:26 ↗ [Laughter]

34:35 ↗ uh the other thing would be

34:38 ↗ um

34:38 ↗ a history of how long so I think that um

34:43 ↗ we have all these we have a lot of

34:45 ↗ projects that have been on

34:47 ↗ a more like a wish list

34:49 ↗ um and I think that probably needs to be

34:51 ↗ separated so we have a more realistic

34:54 ↗ look at what is planned on getting done

34:56 ↗ separated from a wish list and part of

34:59 ↗ that is also the history

35:01 ↗ um and there are new council members

35:03 ↗ there are new members of the community

35:04 ↗ who enter the conversation at different

35:06 ↗ points but some of these projects on the

35:08 ↗ wish list have been there for

35:11 ↗ a long time like I think you know more

35:13 ↗ than a decade some of them so uh like

35:16 ↗ the having the history of how long it's

35:17 ↗ been on the CIP but then also the

35:19 ↗ separation of these aspirational items

35:22 ↗ and items that we actually think we are

35:25 ↗ able to get done

35:27 ↗ um the other problem

35:29 ↗ and I see if I can restate that

35:32 ↗ effectively so that we all know we're

35:34 ↗ hearing the same thing so

35:36 ↗ um

35:37 ↗ saying that the CIP is supposed to be

35:40 ↗ things that we will accomplish in six

35:42 ↗ years but we also don't want to lose

35:45 ↗ track of those other things that are

35:48 ↗ maybe on a wish list that we don't see

35:50 ↗ ourselves necessarily completing in six

35:52 ↗ years but we want to keep on in case we

35:54 ↗ can get grant funding or something like

35:57 ↗ that but also have the history of how

36:00 ↗ long they've been there or why

36:02 ↗ yes

36:04 ↗ okay how do I incorporate wishlist I

36:06 ↗ think that's a good I mean the problem

36:08 ↗ is maybe that we have different

36:13 ↗ yeah that we need the real realistic

36:17 ↗ yeah maybe differentiating between a

36:21 ↗ realistic accomplishable and

36:25 ↗ the whole set of projects so like I'll

36:27 ↗ give you an example Bell View has their

36:31 ↗ Planning Commission create I think it's

36:33 ↗ like a 12 year or a 13 year

36:38 ↗ list of Transportation projects and then

36:40 ↗ they boil it down to the CIP and then it

36:43 ↗ comes into the budget

36:46 ↗ and so not being not losing trash with

36:48 ↗ those because it's important to have

36:49 ↗ items on the CIP because we can't get

36:53 ↗ federal and state funding if they're not

36:55 ↗ there yes and that makes sense to put

36:58 ↗ them further out too but then I would

37:01 ↗ want to see how long they've been on

37:02 ↗ that further out of this yeah the other

37:05 ↗ thing is uh Geographic

37:08 ↗ foreign

37:09 ↗ so the problem would be

37:12 ↗ um uneven Geographic coverage of

37:14 ↗ projects we have some neighborhoods that

37:17 ↗ you know different neighborhoods have

37:18 ↗ different infrastructure currently but

37:21 ↗ some of them there are some projects on

37:22 ↗ there that have been there for a long

37:24 ↗ time

37:25 ↗ thank you very much

37:33 ↗ so I'm gonna

37:35 ↗ they not only do we want to be able to

37:37 ↗ visualize and track where projects are

37:41 ↗ happening but maybe have a little bit of

37:43 ↗ an equity component in there yeah and

37:47 ↗ it's really it gets in in this specific

37:50 ↗ example it's about the established

37:52 ↗ neighborhoods versus the growing

37:53 ↗ neighborhoods and it's because of a

37:55 ↗ funding issue with doing these projects

37:58 ↗ that we establish neighborhoods there's

37:59 ↗ new developments there aren't new

38:02 ↗ um he's coming in and they still

38:04 ↗ infrastructure you need so that's the

38:06 ↗ issue so maybe as a problem

38:11 ↗ older established neighborhoods

38:14 ↗ don't have

38:16 ↗ you know these development related

38:19 ↗ projects that improve their

38:21 ↗ infrastructure and so they're just going

38:24 ↗ to add on to that too

38:26 ↗ um it's pretty obvious if you live in

38:28 ↗ squawk mountain or an Old Town that they

38:30 ↗ were built using different street

38:31 ↗ standards that the right of ways are

38:34 ↗ different sizes

38:35 ↗ and so what kind of improvements can you

38:38 ↗ put in those neighborhoods because we

38:40 ↗ can't necessarily put in a house or

38:43 ↗ highness so what is parity or Equity

38:46 ↗ look like when you have a completely

38:49 ↗ different landscape a smaller right of

38:51 ↗ way you know I mean one of the big

38:53 ↗ issues I changed was the squad Mountains

38:55 ↗ trail is the amount of property

38:57 ↗ and so it's kind of frame it so that

39:00 ↗ they're getting the outcome although it

39:03 ↗ may not look exactly like what is my

39:06 ↗ house you need somebody else to take a

39:09 ↗ person

39:12 ↗ yeah Equitable outcome I like that yeah

39:15 ↗ Equitable outcome

39:18 ↗ not

39:20 ↗ the exact same in different

39:22 ↗ neighborhoods

39:31 ↗ I love them

39:33 ↗ some of the posters that are out there

39:35 ↗ and in my mind if I turn that into like

39:37 ↗ a street standard but what I'm seeing

39:39 ↗ doesn't look the same it's not April but

39:42 ↗ it functions yeah it's the community

39:44 ↗ that same yeah

39:47 ↗ foreign

39:58 ↗ Victoria in a big way so um because I

40:01 ↗ loved what you were saying the I'm

40:03 ↗ circling back to having a method and

40:07 ↗ standard for how we prioritize and

40:09 ↗ transparency

40:11 ↗ um the flip side of that is what are our

40:14 ↗ constraints what are our financial

40:15 ↗ constraints what our staff constraints

40:16 ↗ what our Geographic constraints is that

40:19 ↗ we understand our constraints as well as

40:20 ↗ we do our desires because I think that's

40:23 ↗ the that's always pushback and we we do

40:25 ↗ a better job of understanding what we

40:26 ↗ want and not really into a good job

40:28 ↗ understanding what we what the

40:30 ↗ constraints are and so that's I think

40:31 ↗ part of where my uh underlying problem

40:33 ↗ was was rooted the second thing is in

40:36 ↗ the parlance of good program management

40:38 ↗ there's this concept of a backlog of

40:41 ↗ work and that's what really we've got a

40:43 ↗ lot of stuff done at CIP that really

40:45 ↗ needs to be in a backlog and then as we

40:47 ↗ go through periodically we're updating

40:49 ↗ the CIP you re-prioritize your backlog

40:51 ↗ of order and that's that's another thing

40:53 ↗ we don't do we just we kind of just

40:55 ↗ chunk it out there and we just keep

40:57 ↗ pushing it forward without any uh

40:59 ↗ intentionality about oh this one needs

41:02 ↗ to move up in priority so um

41:08 ↗ yeah let me riff back on your resource

41:12 ↗ constraints because part of the problem

41:15 ↗ I see with this is that I think

41:19 ↗ many of the times we're only choosing

41:22 ↗ projects for the CIP

41:24 ↗ based on our cash availability

41:28 ↗ and so the Northwest Sammamish

41:32 ↗ multimodal project is a really good

41:35 ↗ example of where staff kept coming back

41:38 ↗ to us and saying it can't be done we

41:40 ↗ don't have money for it we shouldn't

41:42 ↗ make progress on it why do you want us

41:44 ↗ to move forward and we as Council said

41:47 ↗ because it's a huge priority we're doing

41:51 ↗ the same thing I think with the squawk

41:53 ↗ Mountain

41:55 ↗ um sidewalks is the idea of there isn't

41:59 ↗ funding for it and so it shouldn't be

42:01 ↗ included so my one of my problems with

42:04 ↗ the CIP is that it's based too much on

42:10 ↗ funding

42:12 ↗ capabilities and not enough on what we

42:14 ↗ want to get done

42:19 ↗ um

42:21 ↗ I think that's what you get as Russell

42:24 ↗ said in your off year now is that the

42:27 ↗ plan is the project list but those

42:30 ↗ funding strategies that's what you get

42:32 ↗ to talk about in the song here so for

42:34 ↗ example if you want to go out for a bond

42:36 ↗ you would be deciding that in this year

42:39 ↗ to fund some of those unfunded projects

42:42 ↗ so I think the plan is the plan and then

42:44 ↗ this off year is your year to say well

42:47 ↗ we either deal with the revenues we have

42:49 ↗ or we talk about using our

42:52 ↗ transportation benefit District going

42:54 ↗ for a living left lid or going to the

42:56 ↗ salon and that's why I think this is

42:58 ↗ going to be fun because you have your

43:00 ↗ budget year and then you have this year

43:02 ↗ um so I think you will now be able with

43:04 ↗ this two-year budget to dedicate

43:07 ↗ meaningful time to talk

43:09 ↗ council-led Revenue how to do this I

43:12 ↗ think you're going to get it done first

43:14 ↗ for that concept you need to have the

43:17 ↗ CIP include

43:19 ↗ those items that don't have a directed

43:23 ↗ funding Associated because it's a

43:25 ↗ priority of the community right and so I

43:28 ↗ would say as much as funding needs to be

43:30 ↗ part of the criteria it shouldn't be

43:33 ↗ something that cuts off inclusion

43:37 ↗ in the six-year plan or dictates when it

43:40 ↗ happens

43:49 ↗ no I just wanted to say yes and um

43:53 ↗ because

43:54 ↗ um

43:56 ↗ so there's the funding is one constraint

43:58 ↗ but we also have others and and Wally

44:00 ↗ talked a bit about you know the staff

44:01 ↗ then and then do we have the people to

44:04 ↗ even do the project because the other

44:06 ↗ dude we we always lost that was like

44:07 ↗ just go go figure it out you know and

44:09 ↗ it's just you know figure it out and

44:11 ↗ just figure out it doesn't always work

44:12 ↗ so we need to and there are other

44:14 ↗ constraints other than just the funding

44:15 ↗ and I agree with you we put them on

44:17 ↗ there and then we build a funding

44:18 ↗ package but when we're doing the

44:19 ↗ evaluation about what we're going to do

44:21 ↗ and when it's going to be done you know

44:23 ↗ that's just a factor you know do we have

44:24 ↗ the people to do it do we have the

44:26 ↗ dollars to do it do we have the real

44:28 ↗ estate to do it

44:29 ↗ um and then also got to be factored into

44:31 ↗ what goes on the plan I think that's

44:33 ↗ yeah

44:35 ↗ outcomes factor in resource constraints

44:40 ↗ okay

44:41 ↗ yeah well I just want to say I feel like

44:44 ↗ there was a a high of a meeting last

44:47 ↗ night that we didn't know about because

44:49 ↗ we're talking about

44:52 ↗ um so uh tons of capacity

44:56 ↗ um and I always feel like I'm the person

44:58 ↗ that says more people more people more

44:59 ↗ people but uh what Bali alluded to

45:03 ↗ um

45:04 ↗ um you know we want the engineers to do

45:07 ↗ the engineering job and not have to be

45:09 ↗ communicating all the time

45:11 ↗ if that was my job at Key County um as a

45:14 ↗ community relations planner I answered

45:16 ↗ the phone I took all the questions I did

45:18 ↗ all of that it's uh you need a person

45:21 ↗ who you have to have somebody in place

45:22 ↗ who takes the communications piece so

45:25 ↗ one thing I'd like us to talk about is a

45:28 ↗ CIP Communications person uh adding that

45:31 ↗ capacity and then that does take the

45:33 ↗ load off each year

45:35 ↗ be realistic about it the engineers

45:37 ↗ never completely get away from the

45:39 ↗ communications

45:40 ↗ I mean that that just doesn't happen but

45:43 ↗ if you have a person who takes the phone

45:45 ↗ calls and does all that takes a huge

45:47 ↗ version of your engineering staff and

45:50 ↗ then the other thing that is right here

45:52 ↗ on my list is transportation benefit

45:54 ↗ District so thank you for your poly

45:57 ↗ but if we're going to talk about

45:59 ↗ resources you've got to start talking

46:01 ↗ about how to refrigerate the TBD you get

46:04 ↗ that you know our conversation started

46:07 ↗ at that point about how are we going to

46:09 ↗ fund the projects

46:13 ↗ and planning don't get done but we've

46:15 ↗ got to go I guess we have to be more

46:17 ↗ aggressive about going out after commune

46:19 ↗ resources so anyway okay so restating

46:25 ↗ um

46:26 ↗ so maybe what I'm hearing is

46:31 ↗ in order to be a it's not really a CIP

46:34 ↗ problem so much as we need to be

46:37 ↗ effectively staffed to accomplish the

46:40 ↗ CIP not only in the doers but also the

46:45 ↗ communicators

46:46 ↗ [Music]

46:47 ↗ and then

46:50 ↗ secondarily that we are utilizing our

46:55 ↗ available funding sources

46:58 ↗ maybe utilizing more funding sources

47:01 ↗ than we have historically

47:07 ↗ yeah

47:09 ↗ yes

47:14 ↗ but toward that idea you know there are

47:16 ↗ other new revenues including councilman

47:19 ↗ and bonds or whatever yeah

47:23 ↗ lift you know there's there's lots of

47:26 ↗ other opportunities which we as a

47:28 ↗ council because or we as a city have

47:31 ↗ grown up very quickly from a small City

47:34 ↗ to had a lot of development dollars that

47:38 ↗ came in and now we're kind of at this

47:41 ↗ point where we have to go okay wait we

47:43 ↗ have a lot of huge obligations and we

47:45 ↗ need the funding to accomplish that so

47:48 ↗ yeah

47:50 ↗ oh that is fine

47:52 ↗ um Zach you want to add any I'll review

47:55 ↗ my list

47:59 ↗ um yeah so foreign

48:02 ↗ sure

48:07 ↗ teamwork yes describe

48:13 ↗ um server leadership so the first thing

48:15 ↗ the first thing that I wrote down as a

48:17 ↗ problem is that we need to incorporate

48:19 ↗ Equity somehow in the project selection

48:21 ↗ we kind of have that down somewhere I

48:24 ↗ think we have Geographic Equity yeah but

48:27 ↗ I think thinking about it more broadly

48:30 ↗ too

48:31 ↗ I don't know how we do that how we

48:33 ↗ approach that that seems like a very

48:35 ↗ tall order and tasks Define how we do

48:37 ↗ that but it needs to be captured as a

48:39 ↗ goal

48:40 ↗ um

48:42 ↗ um so could that be maybe factored into

48:45 ↗ criteria for project selection if we're

48:47 ↗ able to Define it in a way that works

48:49 ↗ city-wide yeah that could absolutely be

48:52 ↗ a question just a clarification on that

48:55 ↗ um can you describe what the um what's

48:57 ↗ successful I mean I'm gonna work I mean

48:58 ↗ stealing from Total what success would

49:00 ↗ look like if we did that what would we

49:02 ↗ have I think that would help people kind

49:03 ↗ of frame it too well there are a number

49:05 ↗ of ways to think about equities so first

49:07 ↗ defining what that is and then based

49:09 ↗ upon that ensuring there are more

49:11 ↗ Equitable outcomes so it could be racial

49:13 ↗ equivalent racial Equity outcomes it

49:16 ↗ could be based on the alternative

49:17 ↗ geography it could be he's talking about

49:20 ↗ proximity to I-90 where you have and

49:23 ↗ economics

49:24 ↗ so there are tons of like I feel I feel

49:27 ↗ like a mission and really kind of

49:29 ↗ getting through

49:30 ↗ how do we actually Define equity and

49:32 ↗ make it a measurable thing

49:35 ↗ um will help us kind of have that

49:37 ↗ discussion about what success looks like

49:38 ↗ but yeah I know something we have to be

49:41 ↗ mindful of the whole process so anyways

49:44 ↗ Equity has to be a part of this somehow

49:47 ↗ um

49:50 ↗ um I think success for what we would

49:52 ↗ define success in our city looks

49:54 ↗ different than Seattle or another city

49:57 ↗ in that we have uh in our census data we

50:01 ↗ can see that we have pockets where we

50:04 ↗ have lower income housing where we have

50:07 ↗ more individuals with disabilities or

50:09 ↗ seniors with more mobility issues and so

50:12 ↗ we would then be able to look at you

50:14 ↗ know blockways Pathways proximity to

50:16 ↗ Parks

50:18 ↗ yeah all of that and and so our

50:21 ↗ definition is going to look very

50:23 ↗ different than any other services well

50:25 ↗ and it's going to look different now

50:26 ↗ than it will in 14 years too because the

50:29 ↗ makeup of this call of different

50:30 ↗ behaviors as well so doing this work now

50:32 ↗ I think will help us for the future

50:36 ↗ um

50:36 ↗ I also wrote unclear how projects from

50:39 ↗ strategic planning docs are Incorporated

50:41 ↗ so we've kind of already talked about

50:42 ↗ that a little bit I think part of that

50:43 ↗ is honoring the work of reports on

50:45 ↗ commissions and the vision of the plans

50:47 ↗ that they've worked on but the other

50:50 ↗ part that I've been thinking about is

50:52 ↗ you know can we be more active in

50:54 ↗ pursuing

50:56 ↗ emerging innovative solutions to

50:59 ↗ infrastructure so like what comes to

51:01 ↗ mind is The Pedestrian scramble or the

51:03 ↗ hallway crosswalk that we put in on

51:04 ↗ Wheels but are there other Cutting Edge

51:07 ↗ Technologies or approaches that are

51:09 ↗ being applied elsewhere that are

51:10 ↗ dreaming about successful outcomes that

51:12 ↗ we can try like how can we be cutting

51:14 ↗ edge here is a block so I mean one

51:15 ↗ desired outcome is then you know that is

51:19 ↗ um in our we are using Innovative

51:22 ↗ approaches to solve infrastructure

51:24 ↗ problems

51:26 ↗ um and again a lot of that comes from

51:29 ↗ our plans so I see that as kind of as

51:31 ↗ plans are incorporated into it because

51:33 ↗ our plans are current

51:36 ↗ um Innovative approaches follow along

51:39 ↗ um

51:40 ↗ many projects with minor and major

51:42 ↗ challenges

51:44 ↗ um as we've seen by reviewing the CIP

51:47 ↗ document that was included in our packet

51:50 ↗ so just

51:52 ↗ being better from a Council planning

51:54 ↗ perspective from an administrative

51:55 ↗ perspective to better anticipate what we

51:57 ↗ can actually accomplish at Beth and I

51:59 ↗ think we've already touched on yeah

52:01 ↗ um

52:02 ↗ uh projects lack identified funding

52:04 ↗ sources we got into that definitely

52:06 ↗ agree with Barb that you know utilizing

52:09 ↗ available Revenue sources

52:11 ↗ um to actually bring these projects to

52:14 ↗ fruition this is important I think

52:16 ↗ another part of this too is we have all

52:19 ↗ these Revenue tools available to us that

52:21 ↗ we choose not to use

52:22 ↗ for one reason or another why and I

52:25 ↗ think also just being clear about if we

52:28 ↗ choose not to do it why because

52:29 ↗ otherwise that's investment left on the

52:32 ↗ table and I think you got to be able to

52:34 ↗ explain why we choose not to do that

52:36 ↗ because there are always costs

52:38 ↗ position it also means that our current

52:41 ↗ residents are bearing the burden of the

52:45 ↗ costs rather than the future residents

52:47 ↗ who will also benefit from those

52:51 ↗ expenses

52:56 ↗ um

52:58 ↗ I'm I'm clear I'm going to three four

53:02 ↗ five more um unclear project selection

53:04 ↗ criteria so we actually do have a

53:07 ↗ project selection criteria Matrix in the

53:09 ↗ CIP and I was kind of looking at that

53:11 ↗ but it only describes the projects that

53:13 ↗ are in this year

53:15 ↗ so I have no way of knowing projects

53:17 ↗ that are on the future year list or that

53:19 ↗ just aren't in the CIP how do those

53:21 ↗ compare to the projects that were

53:23 ↗ selected to be in the CIP so

53:26 ↗ um it makes it difficult to determine

53:27 ↗ priority or evaluating timing of

53:31 ↗ projects when

53:33 ↗ um criteria are just for the projects in

53:35 ↗ the CIP

53:37 ↗ um

53:38 ↗ uh and toward that idea I think we've

53:42 ↗ also come up with

53:44 ↗ like each of our plans and I

53:46 ↗ particularly look at the master Mobility

53:50 ↗ project or plan has a clear set of

53:53 ↗ criteria for transportation and then it

53:57 ↗ created a ranking mechanism but the CIP

54:01 ↗ isn't just Transportation so the idea of

54:05 ↗ being able to prioritize spending of

54:08 ↗ cross

54:10 ↗ departments or

54:12 ↗ you know kind of type of infrastructure

54:15 ↗ is one of the problems that I don't

54:18 ↗ think we currently

54:22 ↗ yeah yeah

54:23 ↗ and the other part of that point that I

54:26 ↗ wanted to bring up is you know we do

54:27 ↗ have the project selection criteria

54:30 ↗ ideas listed in the CIP it's addressing

54:33 ↗ life and safety concerns Community

54:35 ↗ priority confirmation Conformity to

54:38 ↗ strategic plan goals environmental

54:40 ↗ impacts identified funding source and

54:42 ↗ then replacement or repair of existing

54:44 ↗ infrastructure so I think another thing

54:46 ↗ for us to consider is does that current

54:48 ↗ set of criteria support a particular

54:51 ↗ vision of infrastructure investment and

54:54 ↗ is that aligned with our vision for

54:57 ↗ infrastructure investment in the city

54:58 ↗ too I think that that in and of itself

55:00 ↗ could potentially be a meeting

55:02 ↗ um so I just want to make sure that's on

55:04 ↗ there so I think yeah we've got project

55:06 ↗ selection criteria there I also think

55:09 ↗ it's unclear how Community input is

55:12 ↗ considered so I just well I was thinking

55:15 ↗ about this

55:16 ↗ um a few days ago I was thinking about

55:19 ↗ how Stacy always used to say like what

55:20 ↗ would the stranger think or How would

55:22 ↗ how do we bring the stranger into this

55:24 ↗ work and so beyond hosting I think we

55:27 ↗ host the community meeting and then we

55:28 ↗ have a public hearing and it might even

55:29 ↗ be two Community meetings and then a

55:31 ↗ public hearing for the CIP you know how

55:33 ↗ do we capture broad diverse Community

55:35 ↗ feedback and bring that into

55:38 ↗ how we think about project selection and

55:41 ↗ could the community survey potentially

55:43 ↗ inform CIP development or other types of

55:47 ↗ neighborhood-based surveys could that

55:48 ↗ important that so I've just been kind of

55:51 ↗ thinking about yeah exactly good this is

55:54 ↗ our outcome yeah yeah we're capturing

55:56 ↗ broad community in engagement and using

55:59 ↗ them

56:01 ↗ um how are we develop the CFE

56:03 ↗ um

56:12 ↗ at this point

56:15 ↗ um spending so we've kind of already

56:17 ↗ talked a little bit about this with

56:18 ↗ geographic distribution but I feel like

56:22 ↗ um the cfp could but there's an

56:24 ↗ opportunity to have spending breakdown

56:25 ↗ summaries in there I've noticed it in

56:27 ↗ other cities

56:29 ↗ um whether it be maintenance versus new

56:31 ↗ construction so we can get a good sense

56:33 ↗ of how we're spending on that or

56:36 ↗ neighborhood versus districts so we have

56:37 ↗ a good Geographic understanding

56:40 ↗ um so anyways yeah just thinking how

56:43 ↗ could we present the data digitally or

56:46 ↗ differently within the document is

56:48 ↗ something I've been thinking about

56:50 ↗ um

56:51 ↗ foreign

56:53 ↗ we also talked let's see let me talk a

56:57 ↗ little bit about Milestones earlier I

56:59 ↗ was I actually wrote I don't have any

57:00 ↗ thoughts on this but I wrote projects

57:02 ↗ like phasing

57:04 ↗ um at least from a planning perspective

57:05 ↗ in the document I don't know if that's a

57:07 ↗ good or a bad thing

57:09 ↗ um I'm sure on the back end from you

57:11 ↗ know this is calls makers we don't get

57:13 ↗ to see all all the planning documents

57:16 ↗ that staff have but is there a benefit

57:18 ↗ in some way of phasing out projects so

57:22 ↗ they exist as multiple projects in the

57:25 ↗ CIP and they can actually tick the Box

57:27 ↗ off one like

57:30 ↗ I don't know the answer to that I just

57:31 ↗ wanted to put that out there and staff

57:33 ↗ with any thoughts are you interested

57:34 ↗ well let me rip on that a little bit

57:37 ↗ because I think in our current CIP

57:40 ↗ sometimes the design of a project is

57:43 ↗ separate from the actual construction

57:45 ↗ and sometimes they're together and we

57:49 ↗ fund a Project's design when we don't

57:52 ↗ have funding for the actual build and

57:55 ↗ then the design ends up being 10 or 20

57:57 ↗ years old by the time we get funding for

58:01 ↗ that project so toward that idea you

58:05 ↗ know

58:07 ↗ better understanding the connection

58:09 ↗ between design and construction both in

58:14 ↗ funding and tracking of projects and

58:19 ↗ again I'm not sure whether it's better

58:21 ↗ to have them separate so that we can

58:24 ↗ check the box but then that risks having

58:27 ↗ a 10 year old design by the time we have

58:29 ↗ funding for the actual project or

58:31 ↗ whether it's better to have them

58:33 ↗ connected and say we don't spend money

58:35 ↗ on design until we know we have money

58:37 ↗ for

58:39 ↗ concept

58:47 ↗ ual but we typically don't spend design

58:49 ↗ dollars until I don't know that we have

58:52 ↗ any 10 year old design s yeah Concepts

58:58 ↗ I was thinking of uh

59:00 ↗ I'm gonna say it was like Newport it's

59:03 ↗ on our Newport designs yeah

59:10 ↗ okay

59:11 ↗ making the engineering world

59:14 ↗ there's like a 30 60 90 full package

59:17 ↗ you're seeing a concept so maybe we're

59:21 ↗ at 30 percent but you're not seeing a

59:23 ↗ design

59:23 ↗ so I put better understand relationship

59:26 ↗ between funding and design concept for

59:29 ↗ those of us who aren't Engineers yes

59:33 ↗ just you know wanted to make sure to

59:35 ↗ throw that out there

59:37 ↗ yeah um the last thing that I had

59:40 ↗ um is

59:42 ↗ um that the CIP the document itself

59:45 ↗ lacks

59:46 ↗ um like a compelling Vision like guiding

59:49 ↗ principles so like you look at our

59:50 ↗ strategic planning documents and they

59:52 ↗ paint a vision for what future the

59:54 ↗ future of this club looks like

59:56 ↗ um the mobility master plan those the

59:58 ↗ central issue plan in particular does

1:00:00 ↗ this really well in terms of describing

1:00:02 ↗ what central Issa ball looks and feels

1:00:04 ↗ like to the people who live there and

1:00:05 ↗ use that space so I've been thinking it

1:00:09 ↗ would be good for our CIP to also

1:00:11 ↗ reflect that to say you know what's the

1:00:14 ↗ combined impact of our investment of

1:00:17 ↗ these investments in the community

1:00:18 ↗ what's the difference to the community

1:00:22 ↗ um and what will this call look like in

1:00:24 ↗ six years 12 years 20 years 50 years

1:00:27 ↗ um just kind of thinking more long term

1:00:29 ↗ in

1:00:30 ↗ I think it'll be better for the

1:00:32 ↗ community to be able to digest kind of

1:00:34 ↗ what our infrastructure vision is by

1:00:36 ↗ seeing kind of some narrative I actually

1:00:38 ↗ think that can be very easily

1:00:39 ↗ accomplished in the mayor's letter

1:00:41 ↗ um and and just pulling in some of the

1:00:43 ↗ language from our strategic planning

1:00:45 ↗ documents and then

1:00:46 ↗ um talking about what the vision of

1:00:48 ↗ Council in the city is there so anyways

1:00:50 ↗ those are the problems I

1:00:52 ↗ think

1:00:53 ↗ this is good so this is a one-on-one

1:00:56 ↗ question

1:00:58 ↗ um so I did review the CIP incorporation

1:01:00 ↗ for this week and our P are things put

1:01:03 ↗ on the CIP by the date that they come in

1:01:06 ↗ I mean there's no Rhyme or Reason to how

1:01:09 ↗ I mean they are listed under categories

1:01:11 ↗ but again you're a citizen who decides

1:01:15 ↗ to look at the CNB and

1:01:18 ↗ why is this one you know on page one and

1:01:21 ↗ why is this from page five and there's

1:01:23 ↗ just an arrival reason for why things

1:01:25 ↗ are the way they are as far as I know

1:01:27 ↗ now there may be a good rhyming reason

1:01:30 ↗ that that is the process of getting

1:01:32 ↗ things on the CIP but uh what Zach was

1:01:35 ↗ saying uh here again communication

1:01:37 ↗ communication

1:01:39 ↗ someone just coming to look at the CIP

1:01:41 ↗ why are things listed the way they are I

1:01:44 ↗ can't figure it out myself so

1:01:47 ↗ um maybe we take that document and try

1:01:49 ↗ to put it in a way that the community

1:01:50 ↗ would better understand by here are the

1:01:53 ↗ projects we've used by when they'll be

1:01:56 ↗ completed 2024 projects since our 2025

1:02:00 ↗ projects some other way of organizing it

1:02:03 ↗ so it's a little bit more understandable

1:02:04 ↗ for the public

1:02:06 ↗ yes well and I think we also have to

1:02:08 ↗ come to groups that documents are

1:02:10 ↗ uploaded

1:02:12 ↗ is that documents are as a way to

1:02:15 ↗ communicate or outmoded yes absolutely

1:02:18 ↗ right and so you all need to help us

1:02:20 ↗ with that because our preference would

1:02:22 ↗ be not to have a CIP

1:02:25 ↗ because of all the things you've talked

1:02:27 ↗ about that there should be a dashboard

1:02:29 ↗ that you can pick based on

1:02:32 ↗ you know streets based on buildings

1:02:34 ↗ based on Parks click into it see

1:02:36 ↗ projects get project information that

1:02:39 ↗ way that's more Dynamic

1:02:41 ↗ um

1:02:42 ↗ you need to tell us if that's okay our

1:02:45 ↗ preference is not to make the best

1:02:47 ↗ document that we print out for you and

1:02:49 ↗ put in your seats because that's not

1:02:51 ↗ very Cutting Edge right we're talking

1:02:53 ↗ Cutting Edge what is is not a document

1:02:56 ↗ at all but really just a place that

1:02:58 ↗ people can access information

1:03:05 ↗ I promised I was going to be quiet this

1:03:07 ↗ morning

1:03:10 ↗ [Laughter]

1:03:16 ↗ maybe I'll just go make a Starbucks

1:03:19 ↗ yeah I was thinking about when you're

1:03:21 ↗ talking about the postcards because we

1:03:23 ↗ had a conversation in one of our

1:03:24 ↗ committees about postcards and nobody

1:03:26 ↗ you know everybody just throws away

1:03:28 ↗ postcard we get so much junk mail so

1:03:31 ↗ um Dale on the Communications Department

1:03:32 ↗ are doing a great job rethinking our

1:03:35 ↗ dashboards and you know and bringing in

1:03:37 ↗ our GIS and I think that that could be

1:03:40 ↗ but but the challenge is how do you get

1:03:42 ↗ people to go look for yeah and so we're

1:03:44 ↗ still I mean Autumn's still sitting up

1:03:46 ↗ she hasn't fallen off her chair yet so

1:03:48 ↗ that's good

1:03:50 ↗ um because she can spend the rest of the

1:03:51 ↗ morning talking about postcards yeah but

1:03:53 ↗ but but I think the administration does

1:03:57 ↗ think that from time to time we've got

1:03:59 ↗ to poke people yeah um and so we have to

1:04:02 ↗ just figure out what the best way to do

1:04:04 ↗ that we did a postcard last year

1:04:07 ↗ um

1:04:07 ↗ Olive and I won 16 rounds on that

1:04:10 ↗ postcard about the Strategic plan and

1:04:13 ↗ we've got very little

1:04:15 ↗ connection from it so but it's an

1:04:19 ↗ ongoing issue that we have that no no

1:04:21 ↗ Community is quite sorted out no and I

1:04:24 ↗ and I totally agree and I understand all

1:04:25 ↗ postcard issues so it's uh but in some

1:04:29 ↗ way like you said a pumping people

1:04:30 ↗ because there's a certain group and

1:04:32 ↗ probably majority that will come to the

1:04:34 ↗ website but then there are people who

1:04:35 ↗ will never come to the web yeah so how

1:04:37 ↗ do we you know how do we reach those

1:04:39 ↗ proportions well so yeah it doesn't have

1:04:42 ↗ to be a postcard

1:04:48 ↗ um I will add you guys have hit most

1:04:51 ↗ everything

1:04:53 ↗ but one thing that just absolutely kills

1:04:57 ↗ me is we don't have a clear

1:04:58 ↗ understanding of what percentage we

1:05:01 ↗ spend on maintenance versus new

1:05:03 ↗ construction we don't have a set of

1:05:07 ↗ criteria that says we should accomplish

1:05:10 ↗ this much maintenance before we do new

1:05:13 ↗ build

1:05:14 ↗ um so I think maintenance in general is

1:05:18 ↗ one of my problems but also the

1:05:21 ↗ prioritization

1:05:23 ↗ of that in criteria and overall spending

1:05:28 ↗ so if we're looking at this on how would

1:05:31 ↗ we evaluate spending one of the ways I

1:05:33 ↗ would want to do that or a project

1:05:35 ↗ selection one of the ways I would want

1:05:37 ↗ to do that is via a map

1:05:40 ↗ um

1:05:41 ↗ but another way I would want to do it is

1:05:43 ↗ how much are we spending on maintenance

1:05:46 ↗ and repair versus new construction

1:05:55 ↗ this is fascinating and I was just kind

1:05:58 ↗ of thinking about what Wally was talking

1:06:00 ↗ about with the dashboard and then

1:06:01 ↗ Lindsay where you were going and

1:06:04 ↗ you know maybe we need some clarity on

1:06:06 ↗ why we're doing a CIP I mean there's the

1:06:08 ↗ legal reasons why we're doing the CIP

1:06:09 ↗ for pending but I wish I should maybe

1:06:12 ↗ you know exactly you're saying take a

1:06:14 ↗ step back and ask the why why do we do

1:06:16 ↗ this because I think that might help

1:06:18 ↗ inform some of these discussions you

1:06:20 ↗ know is maintenance really a capital

1:06:22 ↗ Improvement like maybe kind of and so

1:06:25 ↗ how does but how does it bounce up

1:06:27 ↗ against uh

1:06:29 ↗ new construction I mean and and so the

1:06:32 ↗ why about here's the purpose of the CIP

1:06:35 ↗ for the council here's the purpose of

1:06:38 ↗ the CIP for the public here's the

1:06:40 ↗ purpose of the CIP for um City staff so

1:06:44 ↗ that we can make sure that we're we're

1:06:46 ↗ zeroing in on all of those

1:06:48 ↗ different needs because I think

1:06:50 ↗ everyone's got a different different

1:06:51 ↗ need for it yeah yeah so one of the

1:06:54 ↗ problems right now is we have one

1:06:57 ↗ document that speaks to multiple

1:07:00 ↗ different stakeholders with different

1:07:01 ↗ needs

1:07:03 ↗ so yeah yeah

1:07:06 ↗ interesting

1:07:08 ↗ okay

1:07:10 ↗ um

1:07:12 ↗ and then one problem I have is just that

1:07:17 ↗ we've started projects in the past I

1:07:20 ↗ just have one more so I think most

1:07:22 ↗ people don't need yeah yes

1:07:29 ↗ we've started projects in the past

1:07:34 ↗ of like completing them I guess I kind

1:07:37 ↗ of said that earlier with relationship

1:07:39 ↗ to design money versus

1:07:44 ↗ um construction and the separation so

1:07:47 ↗ I think that was all I had listed out

1:07:53 ↗ so

1:07:59 ↗ so what we've created is kind of a

1:08:02 ↗ amalgamation of a list of some things

1:08:05 ↗ that might be correctly categorized into

1:08:08 ↗ a problem or goals something that might

1:08:10 ↗ be correctly categorized or not into an

1:08:13 ↗ outcome or objective what I'm hoping at

1:08:17 ↗ this point though is that we can give

1:08:19 ↗ all of that to staff

1:08:22 ↗ and have staff come forward with kind of

1:08:27 ↗ a more coherent

1:08:30 ↗ set of

1:08:31 ↗ columns and connected actions and such

1:08:34 ↗ and you're all happy with what you had

1:08:37 ↗ for Title 18 I mean that you touched on

1:08:39 ↗ at the very beginning of the discussion

1:08:41 ↗ um but that kind of framework because I

1:08:43 ↗ think councilmember hunt kind of you

1:08:45 ↗ know stole stole the headline with with

1:08:47 ↗ the goals be somewhat generic that could

1:08:50 ↗ be yeah the umbrella goals use that or

1:08:55 ↗ is our guide

1:08:56 ↗ and so it would look a lot like the

1:08:58 ↗ title League team one that's not a bad

1:08:59 ↗ thing in your mind

1:09:01 ↗ [Laughter]

1:09:03 ↗ actually I've already created the

1:09:05 ↗ SharePoint you know document for you

1:09:07 ↗ which one is a confirmed

1:09:11 ↗ there would be very much like no

1:09:15 ↗ um

1:09:16 ↗ okay so at this point I think we

1:09:22 ↗ let's see we're supposed to have 30

1:09:24 ↗ minutes for

1:09:25 ↗ rethinking the plan what's missing Etc

1:09:28 ↗ and then we have a break can I ask a

1:09:32 ↗ quick operation question we're running

1:09:34 ↗ low on cost

1:09:37 ↗ um are people looking to have fresh

1:09:39 ↗ coffee in 30 minutes yes

1:09:47 ↗ I just wanted to make sure it might not

1:09:50 ↗ be great

1:09:53 ↗ they have

1:09:55 ↗ nothing why don't I go disconnect can I

1:09:57 ↗ just go to Starbucks

1:10:02 ↗ anybody want a donut or anything

1:10:05 ↗ um

1:10:12 ↗ or do I need to go to Starbucks I don't

1:10:15 ↗ know if they'll have both coins

1:10:19 ↗ I'll go to Starbucks okay so one one one

1:10:22 ↗ one container will be enough you think

1:10:24 ↗ for the break you want me to pre-order

1:10:26 ↗ it

1:10:26 ↗ [Laughter]

1:10:29 ↗ [Applause]

1:10:34 ↗ [Laughter]

1:10:38 ↗ yeah

1:10:39 ↗ I just love coffee that's a good call so

1:10:43 ↗ at this point we can either take our 15

1:10:44 ↗ minute break here

1:10:46 ↗ um or we can continue on with the next

1:10:49 ↗ portion which is the what's missing

1:10:53 ↗ um portion which is supposed to be 30

1:10:55 ↗ minutes preferences

1:10:56 ↗ keep rolling okay fantastic so

1:11:01 ↗ um

1:11:03 ↗ Andrea do you have a staff presentation

1:11:07 ↗ I do thank you fantastic Tish and I are

1:11:11 ↗ working out uh file sharing and screen

1:11:13 ↗ sharing oh yeah

1:11:21 ↗ um

1:11:25 ↗ [Music]

1:11:32 ↗ thank you

1:11:34 ↗ um so let me

1:11:37 ↗ see on here

1:11:38 ↗ [Music]

1:11:49 ↗ yeah

1:12:08 ↗ which is all okay

1:12:15 ↗ um

1:12:55 ↗ I don't know

1:12:59 ↗ okay so this next section is all about

1:13:04 ↗ you know what should be in the CIP and

1:13:10 ↗ what compared to what currently is so

1:13:13 ↗ Andrea to take it away thank you uh and

1:13:16 ↗ I really enjoyed if we can go to the

1:13:18 ↗ November

1:13:21 ↗ please um I really enjoyed that last

1:13:23 ↗ exercise it was very interesting I think

1:13:25 ↗ we're going to see some things uh

1:13:27 ↗ overlap the Administration has also come

1:13:29 ↗ up with a couple of goals for this VIP

1:13:30 ↗ update

1:13:32 ↗ um but certainly learned a lot more from

1:13:34 ↗ your past exercise so thank you for that

1:13:36 ↗ uh we have

1:13:39 ↗ um

1:13:40 ↗ as it says here on this slide we have uh

1:13:43 ↗ brainstorm some of our own goals for

1:13:45 ↗ this VIP update the first is uh to

1:13:48 ↗ provide more clarity over how projects

1:13:50 ↗ are selected from City plans like the

1:13:53 ↗ master Mobility plan the it's called

1:13:55 ↗ climate action plan Etc and vetted into

1:13:59 ↗ the CIP we want to provide more clarity

1:14:01 ↗ on that and

1:14:02 ↗ um part of that includes our criteria

1:14:04 ↗ that we use for these projects Deputy

1:14:06 ↗ council president Paul was talking about

1:14:08 ↗ our criteria that we use we want to

1:14:09 ↗ clarify those criteria and how they're

1:14:11 ↗ used to vet projects to get into the the

1:14:13 ↗ CIP we also want to propose a realistic

1:14:16 ↗ CIP of CIP that we are confident we can

1:14:19 ↗ accomplish given the resources that we

1:14:22 ↗ have so not just funding but also

1:14:26 ↗ looking at things like the global supply

1:14:28 ↗ chain which has really affected our

1:14:31 ↗ projects over the past two years also

1:14:33 ↗ looking at our staffing constraints and

1:14:35 ↗ Staffing capacity we want to be able to

1:14:37 ↗ staff for these capital projects that we

1:14:40 ↗ just haven't really been really done

1:14:41 ↗ that in a great way

1:14:43 ↗ um over the past few years

1:14:45 ↗ in addition one of our goals is to

1:14:49 ↗ implement the Community Capital Finance

1:14:51 ↗ task force

1:14:55 ↗ so we're going to be talking a little

1:14:56 ↗ bit about that we don't want to start

1:14:57 ↗ over with this CIP but build on some of

1:14:59 ↗ the work that was done last year and the

1:15:01 ↗ feedback we've received from our

1:15:02 ↗ community so far also we want to address

1:15:05 ↗ funding tools for facilities for Public

1:15:09 ↗ Safety relief in 2023 and we're going to

1:15:12 ↗ talk more about that later on today and

1:15:15 ↗ then we want to

1:15:17 ↗ devise a process where the boards and

1:15:20 ↗ the commissions have a meaningful role

1:15:22 ↗ our CIP update two years ago involved

1:15:25 ↗ our boards uh boards and commissions

1:15:27 ↗ more than they have really been involved

1:15:29 ↗ in this step of the process of the CIP

1:15:31 ↗ and we heard some feedback from them

1:15:32 ↗ that it wasn't really clear what their

1:15:34 ↗ role was there was some confusion so we

1:15:36 ↗ want to improve upon that this year with

1:15:38 ↗ the lessons that we learned from last

1:15:39 ↗ time and we also have a goal of

1:15:43 ↗ um

1:15:43 ↗ uh clarifying the role of the council

1:15:46 ↗ committees last big CIP update that we

1:15:49 ↗ did two years ago we didn't have these

1:15:51 ↗ set of committees and so that's new and

1:15:53 ↗ thinking about what the relationship is

1:15:54 ↗ with the Committees their role in

1:15:56 ↗ oversight over what goes into the CIP

1:15:58 ↗ and then how that fits into this larger

1:16:01 ↗ picture of community involvement

1:16:03 ↗ um

1:16:03 ↗ and uh and how we create the CID

1:16:09 ↗ the toy around with my placement and all

1:16:11 ↗ these cameras of things uh so

1:16:16 ↗ um so that's that's pretty much

1:16:19 ↗ um

1:16:20 ↗ so we already went through that activity

1:16:22 ↗ with you so now

1:16:24 ↗ um we want to talk about

1:16:28 ↗ uh so now we want to talk about what's

1:16:30 ↗ what's missing out of the CIP what are

1:16:32 ↗ some of the community needs outside of

1:16:34 ↗ the adopted plans and we're going to

1:16:35 ↗ turn to you and ask that question but

1:16:37 ↗ first I want to provide a little bit

1:16:39 ↗ more information about what goes into

1:16:41 ↗ the CIP what are the sources for this

1:16:43 ↗ CIP what are the things that we consider

1:16:45 ↗ and um next slide please

1:16:48 ↗ and so um

1:16:50 ↗ hopefully you can see from this graphic

1:16:52 ↗ uh CIP is in the middle and then we have

1:16:55 ↗ a lot of different plans that feed into

1:16:57 ↗ this CIP so I mentioned some of them

1:16:58 ↗ before the master Mobility plan we have

1:17:01 ↗ the Water Systems plan we have the

1:17:03 ↗ Strategic plan we have the sewer plan

1:17:06 ↗ the storm and surface water master plan

1:17:08 ↗ some of these plans are coming to you in

1:17:09 ↗ the next couple of months by the way uh

1:17:11 ↗ before we finalize the CIP so we're

1:17:14 ↗ going to be seeing some of these new

1:17:15 ↗ things including the transit plan that's

1:17:18 ↗ a new item that the city is working on

1:17:20 ↗ this year there's going to be some items

1:17:21 ↗ some capital projects coming out of that

1:17:24 ↗ plan early in advance to try to get into

1:17:25 ↗ this year's CIP also the its fund

1:17:28 ↗ intelligent Transportation Systems

1:17:30 ↗ that's those smart signals that we were

1:17:32 ↗ talking about a couple years ago we've

1:17:33 ↗ started working on that plan you're

1:17:35 ↗ going to see a lot more of that in the

1:17:36 ↗ next two months

1:17:37 ↗ um so I'm creating previewing to you

1:17:39 ↗ some of the things coming ahead that you

1:17:40 ↗ haven't seen yet that are going to be

1:17:42 ↗ feeding into this VIP so what happens is

1:17:45 ↗ we look at we create these plans

1:17:48 ↗ facilities plan is another thing that

1:17:50 ↗ we're working on uh right now that we're

1:17:51 ↗ gonna have a lot more conversations

1:17:52 ↗ about over the next couple of months

1:17:54 ↗ that will feed into the CIP so what

1:17:57 ↗ typically happens with our process is we

1:17:59 ↗ have something like the the Water

1:18:01 ↗ Systems plan or the master Mobility plan

1:18:03 ↗ and they we go through a public process

1:18:07 ↗ to form these plants we have Community

1:18:09 ↗ feedback all along the way in creating

1:18:11 ↗ these plans we have board commission

1:18:14 ↗ involvement creating these plans and

1:18:16 ↗ then they're adopted by Council so the

1:18:19 ↗ board involvement commission involvement

1:18:20 ↗ public involvement comes with the

1:18:22 ↗ creation of each one of these plants and

1:18:25 ↗ then they come up with a list of capital

1:18:27 ↗ projects and a list of policies that

1:18:29 ↗ then we try to implement into the

1:18:31 ↗ capital Improvement plan the capital

1:18:33 ↗ Improvement plan that acts as a funnel

1:18:35 ↗ from all these other plans to prioritize

1:18:38 ↗ into what can we get done in the next

1:18:39 ↗ six years and that's really the aim of

1:18:42 ↗ the CIP is to consolidate among all

1:18:45 ↗ these other priorities of our core

1:18:46 ↗ infrastructure what can we get done in

1:18:48 ↗ the next

1:18:49 ↗ and so I want to just provide Clarity of

1:18:51 ↗ where are the touch points for um uh

1:18:54 ↗ members of the public in terms of the

1:18:56 ↗ CIP and we're going to talk a little bit

1:18:58 ↗ later today about okay after all these

1:19:00 ↗ plans are formed now we're in this

1:19:02 ↗ process here we are at the beginning of

1:19:03 ↗ this year trying to whittle it all down

1:19:05 ↗ into what gets into CIP and provide some

1:19:08 ↗ more connections between each of those

1:19:10 ↗ plans yes

1:19:16 ↗ how often are these I mean I didn't like

1:19:18 ↗ the Strategic plan is on a schedule

1:19:20 ↗ that's not annual so what's the refresh

1:19:24 ↗ um Cadence on each of these plans it

1:19:28 ↗ depends on the plan okay

1:19:30 ↗ let me ask a question more directly are

1:19:33 ↗ there annual repressions on some of

1:19:34 ↗ these plans

1:19:36 ↗ um I don't believe so um are there

1:19:38 ↗ biennial every versions on some of the

1:19:39 ↗ plans

1:19:41 ↗ are more on like a four-year cycle and

1:19:43 ↗ they'll look to understand

1:19:45 ↗ okay all right so they're not not super

1:19:48 ↗ Dynamic and so they're not we're not

1:19:50 ↗ having to kind of react to them and kind

1:19:54 ↗ of frequency I'd be on an annual

1:19:57 ↗ biennial basis

1:19:58 ↗ okay that's that's correct and I would

1:20:01 ↗ say the tip is the obsession on here

1:20:04 ↗ because a tip is a component of the CIP

1:20:07 ↗ that's how we treat our transportation

1:20:09 ↗ Improvement plan it's a component of our

1:20:10 ↗ Capital Improvement plan and that does

1:20:13 ↗ have to be updated every year every year

1:20:14 ↗ according to Washington state law so we

1:20:16 ↗ do look at that every year and Council

1:20:18 ↗ adopts a new tip every year

1:20:23 ↗ so I have a question about a plan that's

1:20:26 ↗ not listed here or a topic that's not

1:20:28 ↗ listed here and how it relates to this

1:20:30 ↗ growth yes Central Issaquah plan how we

1:20:34 ↗ manage growth how we have 400 million

1:20:36 ↗ dollars worth of infrastructure that we

1:20:39 ↗ can that we can't uh get for the growth

1:20:42 ↗ that's already occurred how does that

1:20:44 ↗ conversation relate to the products here

1:20:47 ↗ which relate to going into the CIP

1:20:50 ↗ so obviously growth is a

1:20:55 ↗ somewhat address maybe it's not called

1:20:57 ↗ out in that exact language but in each

1:20:59 ↗ of these plans so we would see where the

1:21:01 ↗ deficiencies in each of these systems to

1:21:03 ↗ serve our population now and into the

1:21:05 ↗ future and so there's a very long list

1:21:07 ↗ of these projects that we would like to

1:21:10 ↗ get done some of these projects are also

1:21:12 ↗ future looking not just looking at

1:21:14 ↗ existing conditions but looking at you

1:21:16 ↗ know down the road how do we need to

1:21:18 ↗ make sure that our infrastructure grows

1:21:20 ↗ commensurate to the population growth

1:21:22 ↗ and the community needs right so I think

1:21:24 ↗ it's it's somewhat addressed in each one

1:21:27 ↗ of these infrastructure plans

1:21:30 ↗ okay I'm uh I I certainly think um the

1:21:35 ↗ 400 million that we don't yet uh that we

1:21:38 ↗ that we haven't figured out how to pay

1:21:39 ↗ for I think is reflected in those plans

1:21:41 ↗ but I guess what I'm thinking of I keep

1:21:43 ↗ coming back to this is let me step aside

1:21:45 ↗ for a second from the CIP you know

1:21:47 ↗ thinking today about what our city is

1:21:49 ↗ missing I keep looking at Woodenville

1:21:51 ↗ and Bothell and they're five over one

1:21:54 ↗ great five over one projects that

1:21:56 ↗ they've built in the last five years

1:21:58 ↗ right which is some of the vision that

1:22:00 ↗ we have for the valley zero percent of

1:22:02 ↗ which has been accomplish right when I

1:22:04 ↗ think about the central physical plant

1:22:06 ↗ all that Vision zero percent of it has

1:22:08 ↗ been accomplished as we've just gotten a

1:22:10 ↗ park building after apartment building

1:22:11 ↗ after apartment building after apartment

1:22:12 ↗ building right so my question would be

1:22:14 ↗ some of the CIP is to help uh

1:22:18 ↗ proactively shape the things that we

1:22:20 ↗ think are coming right and so uh do we

1:22:24 ↗ have an ability with the CIP to help

1:22:29 ↗ nudge things going forward in the

1:22:32 ↗ directions that we want to see which is

1:22:34 ↗ growth in the valley and not growth on

1:22:35 ↗ the hillsides particularly as the as the

1:22:38 ↗ state becomes more and more sensitive to

1:22:39 ↗ the issues of how communities do growth

1:22:41 ↗ we have a great plan how do we continue

1:22:43 ↗ to execute on our plan

1:22:46 ↗ so so there's some of the the market uh

1:22:51 ↗ economics and what's

1:22:54 ↗ um what's economically feasible to

1:22:57 ↗ develop at this point in Issaquah

1:22:59 ↗ there's some challenges with real estate

1:23:01 ↗ Redevelopment in on the central Esquire

1:23:04 ↗ that we can talk about but your

1:23:05 ↗ question's a little different and having

1:23:07 ↗ seen it in fossil in Woodinville I've

1:23:09 ↗ grown skeptical when people tell us we

1:23:10 ↗ can't do it yeah those those

1:23:13 ↗ can I chime in on this one too sure some

1:23:15 ↗ other people who tell us they can't do

1:23:17 ↗ it our development

1:23:18 ↗ and they they talk about the difference

1:23:20 ↗ in building construction types in Essex

1:23:22 ↗ like you know Costco had to build on

1:23:25 ↗ piles well that's just a no deal for a

1:23:28 ↗ lot of these other guys but we have

1:23:31 ↗ actually in The Economic Development

1:23:32 ↗ Group

1:23:34 ↗ um provided a focus in Jen Davis Hayes

1:23:36 ↗ job to actually pick the central escort

1:23:39 ↗ plan back up and identify the obstacles

1:23:43 ↗ to development and I think what you're

1:23:45 ↗ going to see on our list is some

1:23:47 ↗ projects that need to be included for

1:23:49 ↗ example we may have to invest in the

1:23:51 ↗ community in a you know very large

1:23:54 ↗ utility of some sort that eases the

1:23:57 ↗ burden of costs on developers coming in

1:23:59 ↗ because they just buy into a storm water

1:24:01 ↗ system that's already existing so that

1:24:04 ↗ is the focus of her job over the next

1:24:06 ↗ year is to start to bring back to

1:24:08 ↗ council those obstacles and the ways to

1:24:12 ↗ mitigate some of them and then you might

1:24:15 ↗ see projects starting to show up in here

1:24:17 ↗ that are those projects but there are

1:24:20 ↗ some in there now like the green

1:24:21 ↗ necklace and some of the parks ones that

1:24:24 ↗ we can see on the ground but there are

1:24:26 ↗ utilities and soft soils but that's

1:24:28 ↗ exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking

1:24:29 ↗ about so so

1:24:31 ↗ um this is why we restore Economic

1:24:33 ↗ Development to really have gen focus on

1:24:35 ↗ the valley floor so if they're not in

1:24:38 ↗ their now

1:24:39 ↗ um I think you'll start to see some

1:24:40 ↗ because they're going to show up on a

1:24:42 ↗ list of obstacles I would love to have

1:24:44 ↗ this conversation again in here and say

1:24:45 ↗ what is that fine thanks thanks for

1:24:48 ↗ being here yeah it's very exciting

1:24:51 ↗ Andrew you touched a little bit on um

1:24:54 ↗ Public Safety and how it interacts with

1:24:58 ↗ uh CIP and the other capital projects

1:25:01 ↗ that we're doing

1:25:02 ↗ um I don't know I'm just going to throw

1:25:04 ↗ out a question I don't know what the

1:25:05 ↗ answer is necessarily but if there are

1:25:07 ↗ any projects out there that improve

1:25:10 ↗ Public Safety with respect to some of

1:25:12 ↗ the things that we're seeing in Memphis

1:25:13 ↗ or the George Floyd incident I think

1:25:16 ↗ that we need to

1:25:17 ↗ um really communicate that those are the

1:25:19 ↗ types of things that we're doing to

1:25:21 ↗ improve the quality of life for everyone

1:25:23 ↗ in town

1:25:25 ↗ um you know and I don't know what the

1:25:27 ↗ the project might be and we can toss

1:25:29 ↗ around see if there's something that

1:25:30 ↗ makes sense

1:25:31 ↗ um but but if we do have something

1:25:33 ↗ that's that's out there or the council

1:25:35 ↗ reaches the consensus that something

1:25:36 ↗ might be appropriate for that I think we

1:25:38 ↗ need to communicate that to our

1:25:39 ↗ community as well that's great and thank

1:25:42 ↗ you for that we're going to talk a lot

1:25:43 ↗ about that later on today after lunch

1:25:46 ↗ but you know one of the things that I

1:25:48 ↗ would just say right now is that we uh

1:25:51 ↗ in the past couple of years have hired a

1:25:53 ↗ whole Human Services team that does more

1:25:56 ↗ you know direct work with our police

1:25:58 ↗ force and there are often a different

1:26:02 ↗ office that I would say is not the best

1:26:04 ↗ for integrated work and so there's

1:26:06 ↗ there's some ways that I think we can

1:26:08 ↗ provide for more for that team to do

1:26:12 ↗ um you know to better support that team

1:26:15 ↗ and what they do great thank you

1:26:17 ↗ so that brings up for me you know if I

1:26:21 ↗ look on the main sources for the CIP

1:26:23 ↗ there's nothing about Public Safety

1:26:26 ↗ because and and other areas of the city

1:26:30 ↗ like say our I.T where we don't

1:26:34 ↗ necessarily have a public-facing plan so

1:26:38 ↗ how do you pull together those other

1:26:41 ↗ projects yeah it's a great question so

1:26:46 ↗ um so one of the things on here is the

1:26:48 ↗ facilities plan so when we talk about uh

1:26:51 ↗ Public Safety what I'm referring to is

1:26:54 ↗ Eastside fire and rescue municipal court

1:26:57 ↗ and the police uh and their their

1:27:01 ↗ facilities in capital related

1:27:03 ↗ infrastructure so we don't quite have a

1:27:06 ↗ facilities plan yet uh the way that we

1:27:09 ↗ have a master Mobility plan for example

1:27:11 ↗ it's something that Autumn's team is is

1:27:14 ↗ starting to work on

1:27:16 ↗ um that's something that we're hoping to

1:27:17 ↗ shape up and do more work on that this

1:27:19 ↗ year

1:27:20 ↗ um but we are looking across the needs

1:27:22 ↗ that those generally those kind of three

1:27:24 ↗ sections and what their Capital needs

1:27:26 ↗ are my next slide goes over what's

1:27:28 ↗ what's not in here and what you might

1:27:31 ↗ find in this VIP and then we'll ask the

1:27:33 ↗ question of counselor what other

1:27:35 ↗ priorities do do you think that we

1:27:37 ↗ should make sure to include that have

1:27:39 ↗ not been mentioned today or we're not

1:27:40 ↗ addressed in any of these plans or other

1:27:42 ↗ things I'm jumping ahead yeah I love the

1:27:45 ↗ opportunity to Segway but I think we

1:27:47 ↗ have a few more questions uh councilman

1:27:49 ↗ Michelle did you have a question I was

1:27:50 ↗ just going to end that there's there

1:27:52 ↗ isn't anything there from the Human

1:27:53 ↗ Services plan and I have a couple of

1:27:56 ↗ items that I think would fit into if we

1:27:58 ↗ had our Human Services category would

1:28:01 ↗ fit in there

1:28:03 ↗ um when I'm I was going to say we don't

1:28:05 ↗ have Transit and then I was like oh yeah

1:28:06 ↗ we have friends

1:28:09 ↗ so just throwing those things in

1:28:11 ↗ addition to it I love that you're ready

1:28:14 ↗ to skip ahead so I'm going to take that

1:28:16 ↗ as my cue there's only one more thing I

1:28:18 ↗ just want to mention here is the

1:28:19 ↗ community feedback which is Incorporated

1:28:22 ↗ in many different ways I talked about

1:28:24 ↗ how Community feedback is inherent to

1:28:26 ↗ each one of these plans

1:28:27 ↗ um Community feedback we're going to

1:28:29 ↗ address our process for Community

1:28:30 ↗ feedback as we draft and create this CID

1:28:33 ↗ but also I wanted to mention there's

1:28:36 ↗ other ways that people provide Community

1:28:37 ↗ feedback that we capture and use there's

1:28:40 ↗ the reported concern when people have

1:28:42 ↗ you know tripping hazards on their

1:28:43 ↗ sidewalks or potholes or other things we

1:28:46 ↗ take that into account and that shapes

1:28:47 ↗ what goes into the CIP including our

1:28:50 ↗ request to council for how much we think

1:28:52 ↗ we need for our concrete management plan

1:28:54 ↗ Etc

1:28:55 ↗ um we also take Community feedback uh

1:28:57 ↗ the task force recommendations that's

1:28:59 ↗ another component of this that we're

1:29:00 ↗ trying to make sure that we include in

1:29:02 ↗ the draft University

1:29:04 ↗ would you also include the community

1:29:06 ↗ survey yes

1:29:08 ↗ that's another one crazy

1:29:11 ↗ so additional priorities that may not be

1:29:13 ↗ addressed in a specific plan that we've

1:29:16 ↗ adopted at this point and these are just

1:29:18 ↗ a list of examples

1:29:20 ↗ um so that you know you know there's

1:29:22 ↗ been some questions earlier about how

1:29:23 ↗ did this get into the CIP where did that

1:29:25 ↗ even come from

1:29:26 ↗ um I think that's generally what this

1:29:28 ↗ slide is meant to address so here's some

1:29:30 ↗ examples so

1:29:32 ↗ um sometimes we have to do an emergency

1:29:34 ↗ response it's not in a plan for a

1:29:37 ↗ landslide to happen then suddenly we

1:29:39 ↗ need to build a wall and we need to

1:29:41 ↗ Shore that up sometimes people crash

1:29:43 ↗ into a signaled cabinet

1:29:45 ↗ unfortunately and that's a that's a cost

1:29:48 ↗ that we try to plan for and make sure

1:29:50 ↗ that we have enough funds available to

1:29:52 ↗ respond to that need

1:29:54 ↗ um ipd fleet was a big item in the

1:29:56 ↗ budget uh this year and that was

1:29:58 ↗ something that we don't have a fleet

1:30:00 ↗ plan yet it's something that we haven't

1:30:02 ↗ built a plan around something that we're

1:30:04 ↗ working on

1:30:05 ↗ um but but ipd Fleet I think is a good

1:30:07 ↗ example for the budget and one of the

1:30:09 ↗ topics we covered this year

1:30:11 ↗ um then we talk about Capital

1:30:12 ↗ maintenance that's a little bit

1:30:13 ↗ different from typical repairs and

1:30:17 ↗ maintenance capital capital maintenance

1:30:19 ↗ are those bigger costs that we um

1:30:23 ↗ that are much more expensive and so

1:30:24 ↗ there's some examples of that that don't

1:30:26 ↗ have a specific plan that's adopted in

1:30:28 ↗ the same way as that that Master

1:30:31 ↗ Mobility plan or the icap or other plans

1:30:33 ↗ but that includes things like the PMP

1:30:35 ↗ that we talk about if you're at the

1:30:36 ↗ pavement management plan

1:30:38 ↗ um signals polls Bridge studies

1:30:41 ↗ following up on those Bridge studies and

1:30:42 ↗ recommendations

1:30:44 ↗ um that's not in a given plan but we'll

1:30:46 ↗ take that input and incorporate it into

1:30:48 ↗ our CIP

1:30:49 ↗ um ITN facilities we talked about we

1:30:52 ↗ don't have a facility plan yet we don't

1:30:54 ↗ have an I.T plan yet outlining all of

1:30:57 ↗ our software needs sometimes to to to

1:31:00 ↗ meet the Strategic plan goal we need to

1:31:03 ↗ have the software and the tools that

1:31:05 ↗ allows us to do that thing I'm thinking

1:31:07 ↗ about Asset Management as a really good

1:31:08 ↗ example of this to improve our asset

1:31:10 ↗ management practices we need the right

1:31:11 ↗ software tools to be able to do that and

1:31:13 ↗ that's not necessarily an adopted plan

1:31:16 ↗ it's just things that but it is the

1:31:18 ↗ capital expense that the governor

1:31:19 ↗ Capital Improvement plan and then other

1:31:21 ↗ various equipments I think there's radio

1:31:23 ↗ Replacements in there now you know

1:31:25 ↗ famous uh our radios are exceptionally

1:31:27 ↗ old we don't have an equipment plan

1:31:29 ↗ there's equipment across the city that

1:31:32 ↗ just needs to be replaced every once in

1:31:34 ↗ a while for it to function for us so

1:31:37 ↗ those are examples of other things that

1:31:39 ↗ I might see on the CIP that don't have

1:31:41 ↗ you know a specific adopted plan around

1:31:44 ↗ them some of some of that we're working

1:31:46 ↗ on

1:31:47 ↗ um but equipment and things like that we

1:31:49 ↗ we may never just needs kind of come up

1:31:51 ↗ to replace these things

1:31:53 ↗ uh next slide please

1:31:58 ↗ so now this leads us to our next

1:32:00 ↗ activity

1:32:01 ↗ um you've heard enough for me at this

1:32:02 ↗ point I think the question for you and

1:32:04 ↗ I'm going to turn it back over to

1:32:05 ↗ council leadership is what are some of

1:32:07 ↗ the priorities we should be sure to

1:32:08 ↗ address with this CIP update what are

1:32:10 ↗ some of the things that you didn't see

1:32:11 ↗ listed here that you feel like we

1:32:13 ↗ haven't yet addressed

1:32:15 ↗ great zap gets to go right again

1:32:19 ↗ so he's Deputy president and Scribe

1:32:24 ↗ no you absolutely absolutely have served

1:32:27 ↗ that functionality for us this is my

1:32:30 ↗ favorite part of me absolutely Okay so

1:32:33 ↗ we've heard

1:32:35 ↗ we don't need to repeat things that are

1:32:38 ↗ already in a plan or things that we've

1:32:42 ↗ mentioned that aren't quite on a plan

1:32:44 ↗ but are kind of that known area so

1:32:47 ↗ there's no need to restate that hey we

1:32:52 ↗ need to work on Newport Way or a the

1:32:57 ↗ black nugget

1:32:59 ↗ um wall that needs maintenance those

1:33:02 ↗ those things already captured in our

1:33:05 ↗ documents so what we're going to do here

1:33:08 ↗ is

1:33:09 ↗ what's missing what else is the need

1:33:12 ↗ what else can we come up with that's the

1:33:15 ↗ question yeah

1:33:18 ↗ the creating documents that

1:33:21 ↗ um City Deputy City administrator Snyder

1:33:24 ↗ showed us

1:33:25 ↗ um may not be

1:33:28 ↗ you know the only documents that we need

1:33:30 ↗ to have but are you wanting to get at a

1:33:34 ↗ project level now or are you at a topic

1:33:38 ↗ level now

1:33:41 ↗ well I think that I worry that we could

1:33:43 ↗ drift into projects and I'm not sure if

1:33:45 ↗ that's what we in some ways so like one

1:33:48 ↗ of the examples that I used in the

1:33:49 ↗ document was um council member you

1:33:52 ↗ Michelle had previously mentioned that

1:33:54 ↗ one thing we don't have in the community

1:33:57 ↗ is a downtown public restroom which

1:34:00 ↗ would help serve our human services and

1:34:03 ↗ homeless needs so that's a facility

1:34:06 ↗ when we have a facilities plan and we

1:34:09 ↗ have downtown bathrooms that are right

1:34:12 ↗ not yet but yeah bathrooms that are

1:34:14 ↗ accessible

1:34:15 ↗ they're monitored

1:34:17 ↗ okay well the yeah we can we can talk

1:34:21 ↗ about the specifics of that but so

1:34:24 ↗ that's why I'm asking are we talking you

1:34:27 ↗ know that there are categories that are

1:34:30 ↗ missing or are you looking at the

1:34:33 ↗ documents that she gave and said can we

1:34:35 ↗ put

1:34:36 ↗ can we talk about projects under those

1:34:38 ↗ categories

1:34:40 ↗ um I think I'm leaning more toward

1:34:43 ↗ projects so as an example if I'm looking

1:34:47 ↗ at the master Mobility plan and I'm

1:34:49 ↗ saying whoa I really feel like they were

1:34:51 ↗ missing X Y and Z that's important to

1:34:54 ↗ capture in here if there's maybe a

1:34:58 ↗ concept or something that's probably

1:35:01 ↗ also important but I think what Wally

1:35:03 ↗ had asked for us was more projects what

1:35:06 ↗ else should we list in here as projects

1:35:07 ↗ that staff can then evaluate and figure

1:35:09 ↗ out what the resource constraints and

1:35:11 ↗ requirements are thanks yep

1:35:14 ↗ and I think specifically what was asked

1:35:16 ↗ of council leadership to frame the

1:35:18 ↗ discussion was what community need is

1:35:20 ↗ not being met that is not in the

1:35:22 ↗ existing plans and what are we missing

1:35:24 ↗ in the CIP so I think it can be Broad

1:35:26 ↗ and kind of throw things up there abroad

1:35:28 ↗ and specific right yeah okay

1:35:30 ↗ so I'm gonna say throw the idea up there

1:35:34 ↗ on a downtown public restroom now you

1:35:37 ↗ may say that's in the facilities plan

1:35:39 ↗ but because we haven't seen no no I'm

1:35:41 ↗ saying it's a facility I don't know

1:35:43 ↗ what's in the plan either so it's

1:35:45 ↗ something under a broader plan where

1:35:48 ↗ there is the facility plan that is yet

1:35:50 ↗ to be shown to council or is it a brand

1:35:53 ↗ new

1:35:55 ↗ that was why I was asking the question

1:35:57 ↗ is that

1:35:59 ↗ for me that's a facility and so it

1:36:03 ↗ should be listed oh that's something

1:36:05 ↗ that might be missing from a future

1:36:06 ↗ facilities plan yeah facility yes

1:36:12 ↗ and it's perfectly fun because at this

1:36:14 ↗ point we're we don't have that knowledge

1:36:17 ↗ so

1:36:18 ↗ you know I can assume that a future

1:36:21 ↗ facilities plan would have a

1:36:24 ↗ Consolidated City Hall on it but I'm not

1:36:27 ↗ going to sit here and assume that it

1:36:28 ↗ would have downtown public restrooms on

1:36:31 ↗ it so so putting it up there to consider

1:36:34 ↗ it for a future facility makes sense

1:36:36 ↗ yeah

1:36:38 ↗ um part

1:36:39 ↗ so I think a little bit of clarification

1:36:41 ↗ I I think we need public toilets more

1:36:44 ↗ than the downtown uh up in the highlands

1:36:46 ↗ in the business area they also have a

1:36:49 ↗ problem with

1:36:51 ↗ um onion Checkers unwanted even the

1:36:54 ↗ deposits let's say

1:36:56 ↗ um

1:36:56 ↗ and uh the other thing is and I'm kind

1:37:00 ↗ of going to look at Jeff here

1:37:01 ↗ um you know while you're going to have

1:37:03 ↗ this conversation and I've talked to

1:37:05 ↗ Monica about it and

1:37:06 ↗ here's the thing that we come who gets

1:37:08 ↗ if it's in a therapy maybe it'll get

1:37:12 ↗ done five years from now 10 years from

1:37:14 ↗ now

1:37:15 ↗ we need something now this is a human

1:37:18 ↗ this is a human health and services

1:37:21 ↗ so it's probably I don't think it's

1:37:23 ↗ necessarily

1:37:25 ↗ something you want to put

1:37:28 ↗ well I don't want to take it out I mean

1:37:29 ↗ I want it to be raised to the level of

1:37:31 ↗ discussion and importance but we've got

1:37:35 ↗ people I just had a conversation that

1:37:37 ↗ associate with church members who go out

1:37:40 ↗ and do cleanup and one of them said to

1:37:42 ↗ me well if they can find the most of

1:37:43 ↗ them

1:37:45 ↗ we have the large problem area that

1:37:48 ↗ needs to be addressed in more than a

1:37:50 ↗ 10-year plan so

1:37:52 ↗ um I'm going to look at Jeff

1:37:54 ↗ so that that's been the conundrum and

1:37:57 ↗ then the other conundrum is you know for

1:37:59 ↗ example Seattle in many places have

1:38:02 ↗ tried all different kinds of

1:38:04 ↗ portable toilets and all kinds of things

1:38:07 ↗ and and failed uh for one reason or

1:38:11 ↗ another they you need a person on tap to

1:38:14 ↗ monitor make sure it's safe and all of

1:38:16 ↗ that and

1:38:18 ↗ um so uh we really need some

1:38:21 ↗ research and expert

1:38:24 ↗ um best practices I think from other

1:38:26 ↗ municipalities so I'm not sure if you

1:38:29 ↗ just gets in a long range

1:38:32 ↗ plan where we've got an urgent need for

1:38:35 ↗ something that needs to be we need to

1:38:37 ↗ start addressing it like right away so

1:38:39 ↗ Jeff anything you want to add

1:38:42 ↗ you're touching on yeah the need in the

1:38:46 ↗ city's provision of public restrooms

1:38:48 ↗ throughout its town is yeah certainly

1:38:51 ↗ worthy of a conversation I think how we

1:38:54 ↗ the type of facility we look at and how

1:38:57 ↗ we build it and where you build it and

1:38:59 ↗ what it is is correct there's a lot of

1:39:01 ↗ cities that have done a lot of work

1:39:03 ↗ mayor and I've been talking to King

1:39:05 ↗ County Parks about piloting a Portland

1:39:07 ↗ Loop so look up look up the Portland

1:39:09 ↗ okay

1:39:10 ↗ um as a as a really intentional design

1:39:14 ↗ that tries to do this very thing which

1:39:17 ↗ get which will be a first with the King

1:39:19 ↗ County Parks at first

1:39:23 ↗ um I think I think you need to do both

1:39:24 ↗ verb I think

1:39:26 ↗ um putting it in a plan whether it's a

1:39:28 ↗ facilities plan or whatever it doesn't

1:39:29 ↗ just diminish the urgency of it it will

1:39:32 ↗ be your job as a council member to get

1:39:36 ↗ three other members to move that off the

1:39:38 ↗ list

1:39:43 ↗ oh

1:39:44 ↗ okay so I think I think it's both

1:39:48 ↗ um and it will be you know up to you to

1:39:50 ↗ get

1:39:51 ↗ drum up the energy to convince three

1:39:55 ↗ more or more that that's the expenditure

1:39:59 ↗ okay but putting in a plan is a good

1:40:02 ↗ idea I was gonna say pretty much the

1:40:04 ↗ same thing yeah there's there's this

1:40:05 ↗ potential long-term need in the plans

1:40:07 ↗ but if there is this sense of urgency

1:40:09 ↗ you know perhaps there are other ways of

1:40:11 ↗ exploring solutions that like public

1:40:12 ↗ private Partnerships or or just this way

1:40:16 ↗ so there are probably more urgent

1:40:18 ↗ solutions that aren't

1:40:19 ↗ solution is great

1:40:23 ↗ um I think we had Victoria then Chris

1:40:27 ↗ um but I think there's a huge list of

1:40:30 ↗ projects especially if you include the

1:40:32 ↗ backlog project so I'm I'm gonna talk to

1:40:36 ↗ more of like a conceptual missing thing

1:40:38 ↗ which is

1:40:40 ↗ um some of the projects that I'm looking

1:40:42 ↗ at Valley Trail and tree and Creekside

1:40:45 ↗ sensitive and Acquisitions the

1:40:48 ↗ justification and the project summary

1:40:50 ↗ are relative to concrete specific

1:40:53 ↗ projects they're very being worthless

1:40:56 ↗ and kind of ambiguous you know we want

1:40:59 ↗ to have a great necklace and here's a

1:41:00 ↗ fuzzy line which is in the hearts plan

1:41:03 ↗ and it's getting a little more concrete

1:41:04 ↗ it's still a fuzzy line and so it's more

1:41:08 ↗ closely defined so I think for some of

1:41:10 ↗ these

1:41:11 ↗ projects it's difficult and this might

1:41:14 ↗ also be with your downtown bathroom kind

1:41:17 ↗ of where does it fit and how do you

1:41:18 ↗ define it and that becomes sort of a

1:41:20 ↗ barrier to it progressing online so I

1:41:23 ↗ think for some of these what's missing

1:41:25 ↗ is the

1:41:27 ↗ um like parody of

1:41:31 ↗ articulation of what we're actually

1:41:33 ↗ talking about so that then we could say

1:41:34 ↗ okay yes now we're evaluating it and yes

1:41:36 ↗ now this Rises to the level of need and

1:41:39 ↗ urgency

1:41:40 ↗ so I think that's missing yeah

1:41:51 ↗ saying one of the

1:41:53 ↗ parts are existing plan is that we've

1:41:56 ↗ got some things that on it that are

1:41:58 ↗ important and our Capital uh you know

1:42:02 ↗ projects but the description is

1:42:03 ↗ amorphous so when we're trying to

1:42:06 ↗ evaluate them and prioritize them

1:42:08 ↗ against each other that's very difficult

1:42:10 ↗ now interesting so that was important

1:42:14 ↗ but then when you look at the

1:42:15 ↗ description of it it's it's

1:42:17 ↗ really difficult to know

1:42:20 ↗ um what exactly we would get so if you

1:42:24 ↗ can put the example on there of like

1:42:27 ↗ Creekside land acquisition is a good one

1:42:31 ↗ in that it is a capital project

1:42:34 ↗ but it's almost like putting on their

1:42:38 ↗ build a new Road

1:42:40 ↗ you know because it's not a like and we

1:42:45 ↗ need to acquire these five properties or

1:42:48 ↗ complete this project

1:42:52 ↗ um okay yeah

1:42:54 ↗ yeah

1:43:00 ↗ sorry interjecting just a little bit and

1:43:02 ↗ it's a wonderful example and I love

1:43:04 ↗ you're right that it should get clearer

1:43:07 ↗ as it gets from a plan to see me

1:43:10 ↗ acquisition is an interesting example

1:43:12 ↗ yeah I would encourage us never to

1:43:14 ↗ listen yes

1:43:18 ↗ that starts to get challenging

1:43:22 ↗ yeah yeah

1:43:24 ↗ but like with through just to interject

1:43:27 ↗ again through Title 18 we now you know

1:43:30 ↗ we've clarified some of the paths along

1:43:32 ↗ which we believe there should be

1:43:33 ↗ connections for the green necklace so I

1:43:35 ↗ think that level of articulation is not

1:43:38 ↗ naming a parcel yeah but it is

1:43:41 ↗ better than a fuzzy blue line that goes

1:43:44 ↗ through the middle of the city it's you

1:43:45 ↗ know it's starting to or something like

1:43:47 ↗ this yeah and and some of them some of

1:43:50 ↗ the projects included are very specific

1:43:51 ↗ what it needs to do and what it is and

1:43:54 ↗ then some of them are more like

1:44:02 ↗ I'm really struck in listening to the

1:44:05 ↗ conversation about kind of process about

1:44:07 ↗ how what's the process of building the

1:44:09 ↗ plan and I have a couple thoughts that

1:44:11 ↗ I'm going to share one is

1:44:13 ↗ um I think that all of those component

1:44:15 ↗ plans ought to be updated at least by

1:44:17 ↗ annually to inform the CIP because

1:44:21 ↗ otherwise we live in a very Dynamic

1:44:24 ↗ world and I think updating them every

1:44:27 ↗ six years is probably not adequate and

1:44:29 ↗ it doesn't dovetail if there are the

1:44:31 ↗ inputs to the cfp they need to be

1:44:32 ↗ updated on the same Cadence or more

1:44:34 ↗ frequently than the CIP so that's my

1:44:37 ↗ first suggestion it has nothing to do

1:44:39 ↗ with what I want to put on the CIP right

1:44:41 ↗ but then the other thing that I'm

1:44:43 ↗ hearing is there's a there's a pipeline

1:44:46 ↗ of work on the CIP and things get pushed

1:44:49 ↗ down this pipeline of you know concept

1:44:51 ↗ design to build and we ought to be able

1:44:53 ↗ to articulate what's in concept what's

1:44:56 ↗ in design what's in construction

1:44:59 ↗ so put that out there and then the

1:45:01 ↗ second thing is I think the idea of

1:45:03 ↗ public restrooms in various parts of the

1:45:05 ↗ city is a really good idea I'm not sure

1:45:07 ↗ it's a capital project though I think it

1:45:09 ↗ might be more of an operational thing so

1:45:11 ↗ it would be something we should deal

1:45:13 ↗ with in the uh annual budget independent

1:45:16 ↗ of the CIB so

1:45:18 ↗ um we need to distinguish what's a

1:45:20 ↗ capital project from what's not a

1:45:22 ↗ capital or a capital expenditure we need

1:45:24 ↗ a pipeline that shows where things are

1:45:27 ↗ in terms of their

1:45:29 ↗ specificity and maturation and we need

1:45:32 ↗ to have plans that are actively being

1:45:35 ↗ refreshed and revised and updated that

1:45:38 ↗ inform where we're going and what we're

1:45:40 ↗ doing because our world is too too

1:45:42 ↗ Dynamic to say we know where we're going

1:45:44 ↗ to be in six years from now because we

1:45:46 ↗ don't have a clue we have an idea but it

1:45:49 ↗ it's not um

1:45:51 ↗ but actionable let me take what you've

1:45:54 ↗ said and I think obviously building a

1:45:58 ↗ physical structure such as a bathroom

1:46:00 ↗ would be a capital plan but one of the

1:46:03 ↗ things or Capital project but one of the

1:46:05 ↗ things you pointed to is some of these

1:46:07 ↗ ideas where there is connection between

1:46:11 ↗ the operations needed to support that

1:46:15 ↗ um that kind of isn't reflected in the

1:46:19 ↗ CIP but is a necessary component of

1:46:21 ↗ being able to support it so which you

1:46:24 ↗ would see in your budget document yeah

1:46:28 ↗ okay uh Russell oh thank you

1:46:32 ↗ all right let me preface this with um

1:46:35 ↗ the comment I'm not advocating that we

1:46:37 ↗ put speed bumps on all streets in the

1:46:41 ↗ old town or downtown area or the uh the

1:46:43 ↗ valley floor

1:46:45 ↗ however as we look at paver replacement

1:46:49 ↗ um I know that just driving around at

1:46:52 ↗ five o'clock that there are many people

1:46:54 ↗ that are cutting through across Juniper

1:46:57 ↗ between Gilman and Newport and they're

1:47:00 ↗ cutting through neighborhoods to get

1:47:01 ↗ around and I'm probably guilty of doing

1:47:04 ↗ it too as I'm coming home I used to live

1:47:06 ↗ on Second Avenue Northwest

1:47:08 ↗ um and there were a number of people

1:47:10 ↗ that would speed by there at 25 or 30

1:47:12 ↗ miles an hour and there's no way I was

1:47:14 ↗ going to let my my kid play on the front

1:47:16 ↗ line

1:47:17 ↗ as we do paper replacement the the

1:47:20 ↗ question is can we look at whether there

1:47:24 ↗ are some traffic calming things that we

1:47:26 ↗ can do just with the change in the

1:47:28 ↗ pavement itself and I'll just comment

1:47:31 ↗ that you know when I go into a mall and

1:47:34 ↗ my tire has changed from the road the

1:47:36 ↗ smooth road to a bumpy road or at least

1:47:39 ↗ a different sound that I'm hearing it

1:47:42 ↗ wakes me up that maybe I should be

1:47:43 ↗ slowing down or looking at my speed a

1:47:45 ↗ little bit differently as I go into

1:47:46 ↗ these neighborhoods so as part of the

1:47:48 ↗ traffic of the paper placement can we at

1:47:51 ↗ least look at ideas that might still

1:47:54 ↗ adhere to state law still let our

1:47:57 ↗ firefighters and police get to places

1:47:59 ↗ they need to quickly but communicate to

1:48:02 ↗ people they pay this is the neighborhood

1:48:03 ↗ maybe we need to slow down and I'm just

1:48:05 ↗ advocating this from the old town area

1:48:07 ↗ the valley floor

1:48:09 ↗ um and areas that we're seeing cut

1:48:10 ↗ through so not Juniper necessarily but

1:48:13 ↗ the neighborhoods 7th Avenue Northwest

1:48:15 ↗ 2nd Avenue Northwest

1:48:17 ↗ alongside those roads and just have a

1:48:21 ↗ different Pavement in the corner there

1:48:22 ↗ or at the intersection so that people

1:48:23 ↗ know maybe I should slow down I'm

1:48:25 ↗ entering a neighborhood just something

1:48:27 ↗ to throw up for capital in the future

1:48:30 ↗ so I'll rip off of that the idea even

1:48:34 ↗ outside of neighborhoods when we're

1:48:36 ↗ doing pavement management

1:48:38 ↗ should we or are we considering

1:48:41 ↗ re-striping as ways to add bike lane

1:48:44 ↗ protected bike Lanes or you know other

1:48:48 ↗ curb cuts that give people the physical

1:48:52 ↗ reasons to slow down or help out

1:48:56 ↗ alternate methods of Mobility

1:49:03 ↗ okay I'm not seeing anybody else so I'm

1:49:06 ↗ just gonna go ahead

1:49:08 ↗ um

1:49:09 ↗ I just took in a 15 year old kid who

1:49:13 ↗ really very much appreciates the garage

1:49:16 ↗ and yes that's a public facility for our

1:49:20 ↗ teens but I feel like we need an actual

1:49:24 ↗ team Community Center

1:49:26 ↗ so I would put that down there yeah

1:49:32 ↗ um I just feel like that's something

1:49:33 ↗ that is currently not on our Capital

1:49:36 ↗ project because we're utilizing current

1:49:40 ↗ facilities but it I think it needs to be

1:49:43 ↗ a priority address

1:49:46 ↗ so I we I won't go too far into this

1:49:50 ↗ topic

1:49:51 ↗ cool idea I want to be really really

1:49:53 ↗ careful because

1:49:54 ↗ our Center's ability to be both

1:49:58 ↗ semi-independent and also integrated

1:50:00 ↗ into things is a rare and successful

1:50:03 ↗ animal and

1:50:05 ↗ um I just want to make sure any

1:50:07 ↗ potential changes like we've we've

1:50:09 ↗ managed to nurture a thing that a 15

1:50:11 ↗ year old would think is actually cool

1:50:12 ↗ but yet also we have the oversight on

1:50:15 ↗ and there have been other communities

1:50:16 ↗ that have tried to do this that have

1:50:17 ↗ gone too far in either direction and the

1:50:19 ↗ value to kids plummets if it gets either

1:50:21 ↗ too hippy Bohemian out disconnected or

1:50:25 ↗ to establishment right but a cool idea I

1:50:28 ↗ completely agree with you I just want to

1:50:30 ↗ build up a bigger and better space

1:50:31 ↗ Victoria

1:50:34 ↗ um

1:50:35 ↗ well I think I think there's a

1:50:37 ↗ discussion there I think for a lot of

1:50:39 ↗ these it probably just needs to be a

1:50:40 ↗ discussion first to specify that's part

1:50:42 ↗ of what's

1:50:45 ↗ but I just

1:50:46 ↗ be mindful that through that discussion

1:50:48 ↗ there are certain things that the city

1:50:50 ↗ doesn't have that would be great to have

1:50:53 ↗ and that that there may be a different

1:50:55 ↗ way to achieve that than the city taking

1:50:57 ↗ it on I mean we also have for example of

1:51:00 ↗ Creative Arts District and we have

1:51:02 ↗ volunteers who are very passionate about

1:51:05 ↗ that and that's something the city is

1:51:08 ↗ involved with but the city doesn't need

1:51:10 ↗ to be like the one who's running the

1:51:13 ↗ show so

1:51:15 ↗ um there there are things like that that

1:51:16 ↗ are probably more of a partnership or

1:51:18 ↗ maybe much more led by a community group

1:51:21 ↗ it would work better that way it's

1:51:23 ↗ similar to what councilman said I just

1:51:26 ↗ wanted to make sure that that was

1:51:28 ↗ reflective city city entity itself

1:51:31 ↗ canceled

1:51:33 ↗ to do everything yep

1:51:37 ↗ so I'll throw another one out there as I

1:51:40 ↗ was looking through the eye cap the

1:51:43 ↗ climate action plan I noticed that the

1:51:46 ↗ some of their implementation strategies

1:51:50 ↗ were things like generate and store

1:51:52 ↗ renewable injury or energy

1:51:56 ↗ but if I'm thinking about what's the

1:51:59 ↗ actual project on the CIP that's things

1:52:02 ↗ like you know Community Center solar or

1:52:06 ↗ you know a wind generating facility in

1:52:10 ↗ some parts or something

1:52:12 ↗ how does that

1:52:15 ↗ you know if if we're just looking back

1:52:17 ↗ at the plans and it says this more

1:52:21 ↗ amorphous idea of generating restore

1:52:24 ↗ renewable energy

1:52:25 ↗ how do we evaluate whether or not the

1:52:28 ↗ project

1:52:30 ↗ is here

1:52:33 ↗ Wally

1:52:36 ↗ you know I I think that there's

1:52:41 ↗ you know there's there's still Community

1:52:43 ↗ Dialogue on these plants I mean I I

1:52:45 ↗ think and I'm sorry I missed some of the

1:52:46 ↗ discussion but uh we are not the be-all

1:52:49 ↗ end-all for all the plans

1:52:52 ↗ um you know I think as the environment

1:52:53 ↗ board for example continues to talk

1:52:55 ↗ about opportunities I think we have to

1:52:57 ↗ be mindful of them you know immediately

1:52:59 ↗ comes to mind what are we doing with

1:53:01 ↗ City facilities

1:53:03 ↗ um to help the cause

1:53:05 ↗ um so I I think that uh again this

1:53:09 ↗ conversation is really important for the

1:53:11 ↗ form of the journal discussions but we

1:53:14 ↗ can't be the be-all in the end-all so I

1:53:15 ↗ think we're going to depend on the

1:53:17 ↗ environment board to continue to have

1:53:18 ↗ discussions over an extended period of

1:53:20 ↗ time

1:53:21 ↗ um we will dovetail uh things like what

1:53:24 ↗ are we doing with City facilities be It

1:53:26 ↗ Solar be it weatherization heat pumps as

1:53:30 ↗ appropriate for our own facilities so if

1:53:32 ↗ we're trying to come up with the list

1:53:34 ↗ that we're going to expect staff to be

1:53:36 ↗ able to evaluate

1:53:39 ↗ um I think it's really easy to pull all

1:53:41 ↗ of the projects off of the MMP because

1:53:44 ↗ they're all very specific very detailed

1:53:47 ↗ how does that happen for some of these

1:53:50 ↗ other plans like a lot of the stuff in

1:53:53 ↗ the icap is very specific

1:53:55 ↗ but how do we deal with something that

1:53:58 ↗ maybe isn't how is Staff going to deal

1:54:01 ↗ with that well again I I think we look

1:54:04 ↗ we have pieces of this we so saying on

1:54:07 ↗ the icap so there are things we can do

1:54:08 ↗ with Municipal facilities we are talking

1:54:10 ↗ about things we can do with

1:54:11 ↗ electrification of vehicles not only the

1:54:13 ↗ purchase of those vehicles but how their

1:54:16 ↗ their power

1:54:18 ↗ if you have a whole Fleet of electric

1:54:20 ↗ vehicles where do they get their

1:54:22 ↗ electricity and are there opportunities

1:54:24 ↗ to work with other public agencies in

1:54:26 ↗ the area to do that so we're having

1:54:28 ↗ those kind of discussions uh the

1:54:30 ↗ discussion here this morning helps

1:54:31 ↗ inform those discussions you know if

1:54:34 ↗ you're saying we're not really

1:54:35 ↗ interested in any of that then okay well

1:54:38 ↗ then maybe as we talk about it we're

1:54:40 ↗ going to be less interested but you know

1:54:42 ↗ one of the Hallmarks of today is to

1:54:44 ↗ marry the Jew is to Mary you're saying

1:54:46 ↗ things are important staff is saying

1:54:48 ↗ things are important we ought to marry

1:54:50 ↗ them so I don't know that we need a

1:54:52 ↗ specific answer today other than to say

1:54:53 ↗ hey there are some of these things that

1:54:55 ↗ are perhaps a little bit more amorphous

1:54:57 ↗ time's coming to make them less and

1:54:59 ↗ worthless yeah

1:55:04 ↗ so I

1:55:06 ↗ I'm going to a discussion and kind of

1:55:07 ↗ started earlier that goes along with

1:55:09 ↗ what Wally just said and that is the

1:55:12 ↗ transportation benefit District it is

1:55:14 ↗ you know we're not going to put it on

1:55:15 ↗ the list and we'll see but we're not

1:55:17 ↗ going to get where we want to go without

1:55:19 ↗ starting to look at that I did happen to

1:55:22 ↗ look up I empty

1:55:24 ↗ 12.70 last night which is the uh you

1:55:29 ↗ know the city council is the pbd

1:55:32 ↗ governing body so when do we trigger a

1:55:35 ↗ first meeting of that group when do we

1:55:37 ↗ start

1:55:39 ↗ taking action when do we start planning

1:55:42 ↗ to take action all of those questions I

1:55:44 ↗ think you've got to start addressing

1:55:46 ↗ because we do not have the funding to do

1:55:48 ↗ this all the sweet you know Pizza there

1:55:50 ↗ I love that idea we don't have money to

1:55:52 ↗ do that we don't have money to do even

1:55:55 ↗ the transportation and things that we

1:55:57 ↗ would like to do so

1:55:59 ↗ um and they're you know reading the

1:56:01 ↗ um the IMC there's some very specific

1:56:03 ↗ things that the TBD can do and then

1:56:05 ↗ other things it can't do and so let's

1:56:09 ↗ start digging in and figure out how we

1:56:12 ↗ start to use that tool and then the

1:56:15 ↗ other thing we need to do is again look

1:56:16 ↗ at the capital task force you know what

1:56:19 ↗ came out of that would that would inform

1:56:21 ↗ what the pbd is going to do what are the

1:56:23 ↗ other things that are in that that would

1:56:25 ↗ not be appropriate for the change and so

1:56:27 ↗ forth all those issues I think we need

1:56:29 ↗ to start thinking about how we

1:56:32 ↗ start utilizing that tool

1:56:35 ↗ so we've got a funding conversation

1:56:37 ↗ coming up a little bit later so we will

1:56:40 ↗ absolutely get into that

1:56:43 ↗ all right thank you

1:56:46 ↗ um I just wanted to say for the record

1:56:48 ↗ implementation of the master Mobility

1:56:50 ↗ plan and the icap are super important I

1:56:52 ↗ sort of figured that that would go

1:56:54 ↗ without saying but yeah

1:56:57 ↗ and yeah some of those need to be more

1:57:00 ↗ specified like renewable energy but

1:57:02 ↗ um those are super important those are

1:57:04 ↗ also unlike a lot of the plans that were

1:57:07 ↗ on that list I don't believe either of

1:57:10 ↗ those needed by the state or something

1:57:12 ↗ to be written up that was Community the

1:57:14 ↗ community wanted to have a question

1:57:17 ↗ so you know those those are ours that's

1:57:21 ↗ because the community shared that the

1:57:22 ↗ volunteers spent a lot of hours in their

1:57:24 ↗ life a bunch of Staff spent a lot of

1:57:26 ↗ time thinking about how to how to

1:57:28 ↗ actually make an attraction well yes

1:57:30 ↗ thank you

1:57:32 ↗ um so those are super important ones and

1:57:34 ↗ they're recent they're modern we just

1:57:36 ↗ need to turn them into projects so just

1:57:38 ↗ wanted to say that uh those two are

1:57:41 ↗ super important and they're ours we

1:57:43 ↗ should see them

1:57:44 ↗ oh great okay

1:57:49 ↗ um I will throw another one out there if

1:57:52 ↗ I'm looking around the city and I want

1:57:54 ↗ people to take transit I think that bus

1:57:57 ↗ shelters are really important and I

1:57:58 ↗ don't know who builds those or whether

1:58:01 ↗ we can

1:58:03 ↗ I can't even get a garbage can from

1:58:06 ↗ Metro

1:58:07 ↗ well but okay here's

1:58:10 ↗ oh that is responsible yeah but could we

1:58:13 ↗ do it because it served right away

1:58:16 ↗ um so from a philosophical point of view

1:58:18 ↗ our residents pay taxes to several

1:58:20 ↗ levels of government once we start to do

1:58:22 ↗ another level of government's work in

1:58:25 ↗ our local dollars we are encouraging

1:58:28 ↗ them to give us all of their workers so

1:58:30 ↗ as much as I want the shelters I think I

1:58:33 ↗ think one thing we can do council

1:58:35 ↗ president is we may be putting something

1:58:37 ↗ up here on a sidebar that says this is

1:58:40 ↗ the levers we have the most control over

1:58:42 ↗ but are there things that will get us

1:58:44 ↗ Capital Improvements that other people

1:58:46 ↗ have delivers over and so I think we

1:58:49 ↗ need more from Metro and so we may say

1:58:52 ↗ that some of our infrastructure needs

1:58:53 ↗ are other levels of government's

1:58:56 ↗ responsibilities and therefore part of

1:58:58 ↗ our lobbying agenda is to go after

1:59:01 ↗ County State and fed get those so let's

1:59:04 ↗ put that down as an idea of capital

1:59:08 ↗ projects in our community that are by

1:59:11 ↗ others yeah other

1:59:14 ↗ agencies because other agencies give us

1:59:17 ↗ money for our projects and that we can

1:59:21 ↗ convince them to make their Investments

1:59:23 ↗ for their projects yeah we need more

1:59:26 ↗ garbage cans shelters and Ventures uh

1:59:29 ↗ our bus stops and I can't even get us a

1:59:31 ↗ garbage can at the bus stop across the

1:59:33 ↗ street

1:59:34 ↗ yeah and all of that's going to be

1:59:36 ↗ described in the upcoming Transit plan

1:59:38 ↗ right like what we need to do to be drug

1:59:40 ↗ capacity to prepare for Transit and then

1:59:42 ↗ also yeah

1:59:44 ↗ yeah but again I don't know what's in

1:59:45 ↗ that planned so I just want to think

1:59:47 ↗ through what's important to the council

1:59:49 ↗ president you brought up a very good

1:59:51 ↗ point and that is that something we

1:59:53 ↗ don't talk a lot about and we ought to

1:59:55 ↗ because it rains here 10 months a year

1:59:57 ↗ if you really want to impact you can get

2:00:01 ↗ around town you have to take the weather

2:00:02 ↗ into account yeah and I hardly ever see

2:00:05 ↗ anybody standing in the rain at the bus

2:00:07 ↗ stops they are hiding and building doors

2:00:09 ↗ and so some lens of a big component of

2:00:15 ↗ changing modes is providing more weather

2:00:17 ↗ protection

2:00:18 ↗ it's living

2:00:20 ↗ okay

2:00:24 ↗ you know in the area of things we want

2:00:27 ↗ other people to do for us is housing

2:00:30 ↗ housing and what kind of a role can the

2:00:33 ↗ city play to facilitate

2:00:36 ↗ um more I'm just going to say more

2:00:38 ↗ housing more affordable housing but more

2:00:40 ↗ housing just a conversation with the air

2:00:44 ↗ turbage yesterday from the city of

2:00:46 ↗ Kenmore this is a 3D project they've

2:00:49 ↗ gotten previous projects off the ground

2:00:51 ↗ and

2:00:52 ↗ um you know how did they do that and how

2:00:55 ↗ did they leverage what they had to do

2:00:57 ↗ that and all those questions I think are

2:00:59 ↗ really important doesn't mean that they

2:01:01 ↗ are building housing but they are using

2:01:04 ↗ their ability to the average

2:01:06 ↗ Partnerships exactly

2:01:08 ↗ Russell

2:01:13 ↗ thank you

2:01:18 ↗ we put a million dollars to the Terminus

2:01:21 ↗ for Sound Transit in our most recent uh

2:01:24 ↗ iteration of our budget

2:01:26 ↗ um I'm wondering if in the next three to

2:01:29 ↗ five years or maybe two to five years it

2:01:31 ↗ might be appropriate for us to think

2:01:32 ↗ about a community Summit to talk about

2:01:35 ↗ what we want to see at that Terminus in

2:01:39 ↗ terms of uh you know pillow pointed out

2:01:41 ↗ one over fives are being done in

2:01:43 ↗ Woodinville is it appropriate for us to

2:01:45 ↗ do that there how many charting stations

2:01:48 ↗ how is renewable energy gonna play into

2:01:51 ↗ that as well it's got to be a community

2:01:54 ↗ discussion so that we can show this is

2:01:57 ↗ issaquah's Vision when Sound Transit

2:01:59 ↗ says we have some money for you and

2:02:01 ↗ they're not telling us what to do but

2:02:03 ↗ we're telling them what our vision is

2:02:05 ↗ what we'd like to do and how we have

2:02:09 ↗ um it's set up and what funding sources

2:02:11 ↗ we have available to bring to the table

2:02:13 ↗ and have that discussion with Sound

2:02:15 ↗ Transit when it is something we've

2:02:17 ↗ already discussed and we have in mind so

2:02:19 ↗ I'm destroying that out there is kind of

2:02:21 ↗ a long-term capital Improvement type

2:02:23 ↗ discussion that I think needs to be on

2:02:25 ↗ the table

2:02:27 ↗ thank you for bringing that up

2:02:29 ↗ um I think it's very creative of the

2:02:31 ↗ council to start the conversation early

2:02:32 ↗ and former mayor Butler is very excited

2:02:34 ↗ that we are learning lessons from where

2:02:37 ↗ Bellevue did not start the conversation

2:02:38 ↗ early and then we just did right so that

2:02:41 ↗ is great but also in our visioning

2:02:43 ↗ exercise as a city that already gets

2:02:45 ↗ passed through traffic we have to

2:02:47 ↗ recognize we're going to be the end of a

2:02:48 ↗ terminus

2:02:49 ↗ and you know Connie Marsh has come out

2:02:51 ↗ multiple times to talk about having that

2:02:53 ↗ conversation about what it means to be

2:02:54 ↗ the end of the line because we need to

2:02:57 ↗ plan for not just those that use it

2:02:59 ↗ municipa but that entire travel Shed

2:03:02 ↗ from Duval to Maple Valley that we also

2:03:04 ↗ want to access that line so we have a

2:03:07 ↗ big conversation and even part of that

2:03:09 ↗ conversation with the Mayors yes I

2:03:11 ↗ recall too yeah we have a we have a King

2:03:13 ↗ County Third District mayor's group that

2:03:15 ↗ talks about the Sound Transit Terminus

2:03:17 ↗ and a whole bunch of other issues so I

2:03:19 ↗ want to make sure we include those

2:03:20 ↗ people in the conversation because

2:03:21 ↗ they're going to come to that station

2:03:22 ↗ yes so we have it it's going to be very

2:03:24 ↗ exciting

2:03:26 ↗ so that is again a capital project that

2:03:29 ↗ will be built in our area that is not

2:03:31 ↗ our money or

2:03:34 ↗ our yeah some of that visioning work

2:03:38 ↗ started with the centralized qual plan

2:03:40 ↗ too there's a big section that's a

2:03:43 ↗ really interesting read so one question

2:03:44 ↗ might be is that still relevant like or

2:03:47 ↗ what needs to change right there's a

2:03:49 ↗ final impact statement that Central

2:03:51 ↗ instant does not work with without that

2:03:53 ↗ station right meaning the lab densities

2:03:55 ↗ that are there right now

2:03:57 ↗ um under the environmental impact

2:03:58 ↗ statement are based on the fact that

2:04:00 ↗ there's mass transit and if there isn't

2:04:02 ↗ mass transit or mass transit coming at a

2:04:04 ↗ certain point in time that's a difficult

2:04:05 ↗ conversation we're going to have to have

2:04:09 ↗ Zach

2:04:10 ↗ uh okay thanks

2:04:14 ↗ um

2:04:16 ↗ oh sure yeah I don't have a whole lot so

2:04:21 ↗ um strategic

2:04:23 ↗ so projects from strategic planning

2:04:26 ↗ documents that were still in progress

2:04:27 ↗ were kind of already brought up by

2:04:28 ↗ Andrea so I appreciate that but ones

2:04:31 ↗ that are top of mind for me are

2:04:32 ↗ preparing for light rail so that will

2:04:34 ↗ definitely be part of our Trend Master

2:04:35 ↗ planning and work

2:04:37 ↗ um connected bike Network which will be

2:04:40 ↗ part of our you know implementing the

2:04:42 ↗ mobility management and I bring that up

2:04:44 ↗ because I was pretty disappointed the

2:04:46 ↗ council voted against the electric

2:04:48 ↗ scooter Pilot chair program last year

2:04:50 ↗ and that was one of the

2:04:52 ↗ um reasons was that we didn't have a

2:04:55 ↗ well enough supported connected Network

2:04:58 ↗ around the city to support electric

2:04:59 ↗ scooters and if that's the case I think

2:05:02 ↗ we need to start doing it we need to

2:05:04 ↗ invest in that so that could potentially

2:05:06 ↗ be an opportunity in the future again

2:05:09 ↗ um

2:05:12 ↗ also this will definitely be in the

2:05:13 ↗ storm water master plan too but just

2:05:15 ↗ thinking about flooding events getting

2:05:18 ↗ worse and having more frequently

2:05:21 ↗ um is the way that we're thinking about

2:05:22 ↗ flooding and Water Management

2:05:25 ↗ um in stormwater management business as

2:05:26 ↗ usual or being Innovative Innovative and

2:05:29 ↗ thinking forward about how we address

2:05:31 ↗ future problems in that space

2:05:36 ↗ um

2:05:37 ↗ I also think our most underused resource

2:05:43 ↗ one of the best things about Issaquah is

2:05:45 ↗ that Lakes Community State Park is right

2:05:46 ↗ here and I don't always see a lot of

2:05:49 ↗ connection between what our Capital

2:05:51 ↗ Improvements around Lake Savannah State

2:05:53 ↗ Park could help support Lake Savannah

2:05:55 ↗ State Park I know we're getting an uh an

2:05:58 ↗ informational update on some stuff going

2:06:00 ↗ on with like Sonoma State Park soon but

2:06:02 ↗ I just think that there are probably

2:06:03 ↗ more opportunities to partner with so

2:06:06 ↗ like we we talk about octane support

2:06:07 ↗ groups like creative arts districts I

2:06:09 ↗ think the lake Samaritan state park is

2:06:11 ↗ another excellent one but yeah can I tie

2:06:13 ↗ on to that too for those that are

2:06:15 ↗ familiar with the Central Express plan

2:06:16 ↗ and the urban tour it's a dream of mine

2:06:20 ↗ that somehow in Redevelopment of the

2:06:22 ↗ commercial that's along

2:06:23 ↗ um with six Sammamish Parkway and our

2:06:26 ↗ current retail areas that there's

2:06:27 ↗ housing how can you have a park like

2:06:30 ↗ that and not have anybody to come over

2:06:32 ↗ so while we don't build the housing like

2:06:35 ↗ we don't redevelop those companies we

2:06:37 ↗ need to have a vision towards getting

2:06:38 ↗ people to live right around the park I

2:06:40 ↗ mean that's that's crazy it's good

2:06:43 ↗ people

2:06:44 ↗ well there's there's a little bit of

2:06:46 ↗ density

2:06:48 ↗ and we have a transportation crowd ing

2:06:51 ↗ project or Tech connect us but imagine

2:06:53 ↗ if the Redevelopment along I-90 where we

2:06:55 ↗ have now two stories and what a storage

2:06:58 ↗ units two-story commercial turns into

2:07:00 ↗ 501 and they walk across the street and

2:07:04 ↗ they're in the park and the same that

2:07:07 ↗ requires that partnership so that when

2:07:09 ↗ Lake smash State Park is redeveloping

2:07:13 ↗ their entrance and all of that it

2:07:16 ↗ orients toward us but then also we

2:07:18 ↗ Orient our infrastructure toward them

2:07:20 ↗ there's a there's a huge opportunity

2:07:22 ↗ because as you go up East Lake Sammamish

2:07:24 ↗ Parkway we do have residential they can

2:07:26 ↗ get on the trail they can get to the

2:07:28 ↗ park but what about the south end what

2:07:30 ↗ about the the West End there is enormous

2:07:33 ↗ opportunity to get people to live around

2:07:35 ↗ that Park which I think would help with

2:07:38 ↗ Park development Park usage it will

2:07:41 ↗ really it's just it's it could be

2:07:44 ↗ anything just tell all the soccer moms

2:07:46 ↗ and dads that they could walk their kids

2:07:47 ↗ over the soccer fields

2:07:50 ↗ thank you

2:07:53 ↗ well as one of those kids that used to

2:07:55 ↗ play soccer they're growing up in the

2:07:56 ↗ mud Alzheimer's but this is one of the

2:07:58 ↗ reasons why I brought it up so thank you

2:08:00 ↗ for kind of joining the detail on that

2:08:01 ↗ housing yeah that's a good point I mean

2:08:03 ↗ so is economic development around the

2:08:04 ↗ area and how are we encouraging so

2:08:07 ↗ anyways there's that

2:08:09 ↗ um also I have no idea what the state of

2:08:11 ↗ our community center is you know is it

2:08:13 ↗ in disrepair is it in need of

2:08:15 ↗ improvements I don't know if that's a

2:08:16 ↗ capital rule or not so I just thought

2:08:18 ↗ I'd throw that out there

2:08:20 ↗ um

2:08:22 ↗ um and then the last thing was

2:08:25 ↗ um I listened to this really interesting

2:08:26 ↗ podcast last month about Wildfire

2:08:29 ↗ preparedness and disruption to utilities

2:08:33 ↗ and infrastructure caused by wildfires

2:08:36 ↗ so just throwing it out there like have

2:08:38 ↗ we kind of thought through as a city at

2:08:40 ↗ an administrative and staff level like

2:08:42 ↗ what of our what of our infrastructure

2:08:45 ↗ assets are susceptible to damage from

2:08:47 ↗ Wildfire it's a susceptible to threat of

2:08:49 ↗ wildfire and what are those solutions to

2:08:51 ↗ that because if something bad were to

2:08:53 ↗ happen we don't want our community to be

2:08:55 ↗ without

2:08:56 ↗ power without water without other things

2:08:59 ↗ that they need right so um yeah anyways

2:09:02 ↗ I just want to go back

2:09:04 ↗ that's all I have for What's missing

2:09:07 ↗ can I actually can I add just on that

2:09:10 ↗ thought you know the county I think came

2:09:13 ↗ back or at least it was presented by Eve

2:09:15 ↗ for that map that showed Wildland Urban

2:09:18 ↗ interface fire risk right and the

2:09:20 ↗ question is does that map drive any

2:09:23 ↗ conversations about heartening right

2:09:26 ↗ because we've got you know you know

2:09:27 ↗ there's more than you know you're in my

2:09:29 ↗ opinion about boil the urban interface

2:09:31 ↗ fires but it's you know having been

2:09:33 ↗ presented that data what do we want to

2:09:35 ↗ do with it

2:09:36 ↗ there is some legislation currently

2:09:38 ↗ winding its way through for that

2:09:40 ↗ interface that might come before

2:09:43 ↗ um at the end of the session we'll have

2:09:44 ↗ to see lots of dollars from no just

2:09:47 ↗ there's so much

2:09:51 ↗ I get the number to you guys if you like

2:09:58 ↗ good good point but that math and that

2:10:02 ↗ kind of idea of that was generated

2:10:04 ↗ outside of our control so it's not one

2:10:07 ↗ of our plans but there may be plans of

2:10:11 ↗ our partners such as a verb or you know

2:10:15 ↗ ways that we interface with wash stud or

2:10:19 ↗ something that helps

2:10:21 ↗ utilize both of our spending you know

2:10:24 ↗ just basically something in there that

2:10:27 ↗ references or recognizes other agencies

2:10:30 ↗ plans so a similar one to that is

2:10:32 ↗ Cascadia Rising results you're right

2:10:36 ↗ yeah Emergency Management Cascadia

2:10:39 ↗ Rising

2:10:40 ↗ they answer that too I think you guys

2:10:42 ↗ are getting on the topic that has just

2:10:44 ↗ become recovery relevant over the last

2:10:47 ↗ 10 years which is is our infrastructure

2:10:49 ↗ resilient to these challenges we have we

2:10:53 ↗ have chemical challenges with that we

2:10:55 ↗ have to be concerned about with aquifer

2:10:57 ↗ protection and wellheads we have Forest

2:10:59 ↗ you know the boundary hazards and so I

2:11:03 ↗ think there's been a much better lens

2:11:06 ↗ put on that but it's still continuing to

2:11:08 ↗ build and again a lot of it comes as

2:11:10 ↗ regulations and plans from other other

2:11:12 ↗ people yeah

2:11:15 ↗ great

2:11:17 ↗ and then I had one other item on my list

2:11:21 ↗ which was just responding to the

2:11:24 ↗ community survey one thing I saw on

2:11:26 ↗ there was Street lighting and so I think

2:11:30 ↗ that's something that we need to have a

2:11:31 ↗ conversation on it's not appropriate for

2:11:34 ↗ all neighborhoods but it's obviously a

2:11:37 ↗ community interest in some neighborhoods

2:11:41 ↗ but I'm not quite sure how that would be

2:11:43 ↗ represented in a plan or whether we just

2:11:46 ↗ need to pull that out of the community

2:11:48 ↗ yeah I think I think a conversation

2:11:49 ↗ first and again I go back to the design

2:11:51 ↗ of the older neighborhoods from the 50s

2:11:54 ↗ 60s to the new your neighborhoods from

2:11:56 ↗ the 2000s Community expectations are

2:12:00 ↗ different in those different

2:12:01 ↗ neighborhoods and how do you how do you

2:12:04 ↗ satisfy Safety and Security concerns

2:12:06 ↗ with bright lighting concerns so it'll

2:12:10 ↗ be an interesting conversation yeah

2:12:13 ↗ yeah

2:12:14 ↗ so does anybody else have any other

2:12:16 ↗ ideas coming up

2:12:19 ↗ may I have one yeah

2:12:22 ↗ um these are great

2:12:25 ↗ um one of the other lenses that I told

2:12:28 ↗ Andrea I wasn't going to mention today

2:12:29 ↗ but now I changed my mind

2:12:32 ↗ is

2:12:34 ↗ um I'm going to call it the um impacts

2:12:38 ↗ on livability

2:12:40 ↗ by those that don't live in the

2:12:42 ↗ community but that Transit through our

2:12:44 ↗ community so we expect to be a retail

2:12:46 ↗ hunt we expect to be a Transit Center

2:12:48 ↗ but having I-90 come between us dividing

2:12:51 ↗ our city also makes us a password count

2:12:54 ↗ and I did a quick scan of the master

2:12:56 ↗ Mobility plan and something that I ran

2:13:00 ↗ on five years ago was I want to

2:13:03 ↗ um put emphasis on local Mobility even

2:13:07 ↗ if it's at the expense of pass-through

2:13:09 ↗ traffic and I say that in a way of those

2:13:11 ↗ residents that live on South Front

2:13:13 ↗ Street

2:13:14 ↗ um we don't have a project or have had a

2:13:17 ↗ discussion about what South Front Street

2:13:20 ↗ how it could be designed to better serve

2:13:22 ↗ our residents based on the fact that we

2:13:24 ↗ are a pass-through Community

2:13:27 ↗ um so I'll jump to a specific project

2:13:29 ↗ which may or may never happen but if we

2:13:31 ↗ were to install roundabouts all the way

2:13:33 ↗ down out to the city limits you would

2:13:35 ↗ give equal access to our residents to

2:13:38 ↗ get on and off at certain times of the

2:13:40 ↗ day so in just scanning everything we

2:13:43 ↗ talked about we seem to leave that

2:13:45 ↗ elephant

2:13:46 ↗ you know it's not in a room with us

2:13:48 ↗ we're not talking about it but the

2:13:50 ↗ community talks about it all the time

2:13:52 ↗ and so I think somehow we have to have a

2:13:54 ↗ conversation of are we really committed

2:13:56 ↗ to making it easier for our residents by

2:13:59 ↗ looking at some of these projects that

2:14:01 ↗ we haven't even talked about the

2:14:03 ↗ concepts I think a lot about Sycamore

2:14:06 ↗ and down where Barb lives yeah you know

2:14:08 ↗ they get stuck for hours ahead of time

2:14:12 ↗ hours maybe local traffic prioritization

2:14:16 ↗ I'm gonna call it Pastor that's not a

2:14:19 ↗ pastor because they're not stopping and

2:14:20 ↗ shopping they're adding 40 of the

2:14:23 ↗ traffic to streets at times of the day I

2:14:26 ↗ was I was talking about the solution to

2:14:29 ↗ that which is create projects that

2:14:31 ↗ prioritize local traffic yes over maybe

2:14:35 ↗ potentially in areas that we haven't

2:14:36 ↗ talked about it yeah and guys you know I

2:14:39 ↗ used to be able to go to Miramonte and

2:14:40 ↗ pick kids up at four o'clock for soccer

2:14:42 ↗ nobody would do that

2:14:44 ↗ and so uh Highway 18 is a ways away and

2:14:48 ↗ it's probably a part of the solution but

2:14:50 ↗ I think there's a local component

2:14:51 ↗ because it's a solution right the what's

2:14:54 ↗ the name heard the very south end of

2:14:55 ↗ town Lewis Lange Lewis Lane neighborhood

2:14:58 ↗ Sycamore all the way up through where

2:15:00 ↗ council member D Michelle lives there's

2:15:02 ↗ opportunities there to help ease the

2:15:05 ↗ burden and that intersection was

2:15:07 ↗ seconded with the attorney to the high

2:15:09 ↗ school absolutely

2:15:11 ↗ once you get around about you can start

2:15:13 ↗ to equalize the access into the stream

2:15:17 ↗ of traffic a lot better than the light

2:15:18 ↗ yeah so anyway that's just a big lens to

2:15:22 ↗ throw out there

2:15:23 ↗ exactly well yeah I just wanted to say

2:15:25 ↗ that this is actually a topic for

2:15:27 ↗ Mobility an infrastructure committee has

2:15:28 ↗ talked about um quite a bit as items

2:15:30 ↗ come up most recently it has some

2:15:33 ↗ feedback for the intelligent

2:15:34 ↗ Transportation Systems so this is

2:15:37 ↗ definitely living within our communities

2:15:39 ↗ of our priorities I think I timed it the

2:15:41 ↗ other day I was at the light at second

2:15:43 ↗ and Front Street and

2:15:46 ↗ um there was nobody going north and

2:15:48 ↗ south and I couldn't turn left and I'm

2:15:50 ↗ like this is crazy so I I think there's

2:15:53 ↗ opportunities there that also when a

2:15:55 ↗ former council member Batista's neighbor

2:15:57 ↗ always used to talk to me about he's

2:16:00 ↗ passed away since you know get just on a

2:16:02 ↗ new part way when you come past Gibson

2:16:04 ↗ Hall there are two through links and if

2:16:08 ↗ it was a through Lane and a lane that

2:16:10 ↗ was exclusively a right hand turn what

2:16:13 ↗ Neighbors on Wildwood Boulevard would be

2:16:15 ↗ able to get out of Buffalo and that's a

2:16:18 ↗ prioritization of local Uber so I just I

2:16:21 ↗ just want us to think about that because

2:16:23 ↗ it is still the number one thing that

2:16:25 ↗ people complain about it's how we get

2:16:27 ↗ inundated in the afternoon to such a

2:16:30 ↗ significant area

2:16:32 ↗ thank you sorry Andrea I wasn't going to

2:16:34 ↗ bring it up

2:16:38 ↗ so at this point

2:16:40 ↗ I kind of

2:16:43 ↗ the conversation about what's missing we

2:16:47 ↗ are way behind on time

2:16:49 ↗ so

2:16:53 ↗ it was that we grab our lunch and then

2:16:57 ↗ maybe do the next part while we eat are

2:17:01 ↗ we good without it okay so let's do

2:17:04 ↗ because everybody is a good job too yeah

2:17:08 ↗ okay

2:17:15 ↗ oh great okay so this next section like

2:17:19 ↗ we said we're a little bit behind so

2:17:20 ↗ we're gonna eat while we uh listen and

2:17:23 ↗ chat and all of that but the next part

2:17:26 ↗ we're not doing a lot of brainstorming

2:17:29 ↗ or kind of activities what we're looking

2:17:31 ↗ for is the administration kind of giving

2:17:35 ↗ us some information to react to so that

2:17:39 ↗ we can provide our questions comments

2:17:41 ↗ concerns and hopefully get to the point

2:17:44 ↗ of buying on some of these things or

2:17:46 ↗ understand what further information is

2:17:48 ↗ needed for us to feel ready Andrew take

2:17:52 ↗ it away perfect thank you very much uh

2:17:54 ↗ so next we're going to talk about the

2:17:56 ↗ CIP selection criteria the referred that

2:17:59 ↗ a little bit earlier

2:18:01 ↗ and as we look at doing this larger

2:18:05 ↗ update towards CIP there's as I said

2:18:08 ↗ before a lot of things have changed

2:18:09 ↗ since the last time we did this two

2:18:10 ↗ years ago we have the environmental

2:18:13 ↗ board was brand new last time we did

2:18:15 ↗ this now they have

2:18:17 ↗ um uh We've adopted the icap the escort

2:18:20 ↗ project action plan we have a new Equity

2:18:22 ↗ board we found this brand new and an

2:18:24 ↗ equity framework and we wanted to be

2:18:26 ↗ sure in this process to incorporate

2:18:29 ↗ um what we've learned since last time

2:18:31 ↗ from those two bodies uh and

2:18:34 ↗ one thing we wanted to look at was our

2:18:36 ↗ uh criteria that we use to talk about

2:18:39 ↗ all of those plans that feed into the

2:18:41 ↗ CIP and all that information that feeds

2:18:42 ↗ into the CIP now these selection

2:18:44 ↗ criteria help us narrow it down in terms

2:18:47 ↗ of our priorities

2:18:48 ↗ um how do we get what should we do in

2:18:51 ↗ the next six years

2:18:54 ↗ we looked at our criteria and it looked

2:18:56 ↗ like some things were missing based off

2:18:58 ↗ of you know having a new Equity board

2:19:00 ↗ and new information so we wanted to

2:19:03 ↗ update our criteria with this process we

2:19:05 ↗ looked at other cities in terms of what

2:19:07 ↗ other cities have criteria how that they

2:19:10 ↗ approached this and after doing that

2:19:13 ↗ type of research we realized that the

2:19:16 ↗ base criteria that we have are our good

2:19:18 ↗ starting point we don't need to throw it

2:19:20 ↗ all away and start over completely but

2:19:23 ↗ we do need to improve upon it and update

2:19:25 ↗ it and so that's what really we're going

2:19:26 ↗ to talk about today and

2:19:28 ↗ um and also talk about the process that

2:19:31 ↗ we want to use stuff in our criteria and

2:19:33 ↗ how we're going to involve members of

2:19:34 ↗ the public in that process and that's

2:19:36 ↗ what we're going to be asking for

2:19:37 ↗ feedback from you today so we have

2:19:40 ↗ um proposed draft criteria today and

2:19:43 ↗ um that is on the next slide together so

2:19:46 ↗ you see on this slide there are our

2:19:49 ↗ current criteria compared to our

2:19:51 ↗ proposed criteria that may be a little

2:19:53 ↗ hard to see from I see some squinting so

2:19:56 ↗ I'm going to talk about it out loud so

2:19:58 ↗ we have current criteria on this side

2:20:01 ↗ um life safety

2:20:02 ↗ and uh proposed criteria coming off of

2:20:07 ↗ Life Safety and we wanted to expand upon

2:20:09 ↗ that in terms of legal mandate that's

2:20:11 ↗ not something that we currently address

2:20:12 ↗ some things we are legally mandated to

2:20:14 ↗ do we wanted to make sure that that's

2:20:16 ↗ captured in our criteria how we select

2:20:19 ↗ these projects to get into the CIP so

2:20:21 ↗ legal mandate or addressing life and

2:20:24 ↗ safety concerns that would be our

2:20:25 ↗ proposed criteria so we're not asking

2:20:28 ↗ you to necessarily Wordsmith this today

2:20:30 ↗ there's a whole process I'm going to go

2:20:32 ↗ through before we kind of get to the

2:20:33 ↗ discussion part of the section of the

2:20:35 ↗ meeting but just wanted to

2:20:37 ↗ to share with you what our proposed

2:20:39 ↗ criteria are

2:20:41 ↗ Community priority kind of stays the

2:20:44 ↗ same so what is an adopted plan what

2:20:46 ↗ have we heard from the community that is

2:20:47 ↗ that is a priority

2:20:49 ↗ um we also wanted to keep the criteria

2:20:51 ↗ that specifically mentions our strategic

2:20:53 ↗ plan goals that should be guiding uh

2:20:56 ↗ what is in our CIP uh old criteria was

2:20:59 ↗ environmental impact and what we're

2:21:02 ↗ suggesting is something a little bit

2:21:04 ↗ more nuanced refined and setting a

2:21:05 ↗ higher bar for what goes into our state

2:21:08 ↗ and so that is really focusing on

2:21:11 ↗ climate resiliency or environmental

2:21:13 ↗ benefit so not just what doesn't affect

2:21:16 ↗ the climate or the environment in a

2:21:18 ↗ negative way but really looking for that

2:21:20 ↗ environmental benefit in our projects

2:21:22 ↗ and how those get incorporated into this

2:21:24 ↗ again as we looked at some of our source

2:21:26 ↗ documents like what's in the icap ETC we

2:21:28 ↗ use that to help inform

2:21:30 ↗ um these proposed changes to our

2:21:31 ↗ criteria

2:21:33 ↗ identified funding source uh that was an

2:21:36 ↗ old criteria that's in the current CIP

2:21:39 ↗ what we're suggesting is expanding upon

2:21:42 ↗ that in the new uh and the new CIP

2:21:44 ↗ looking at identified resources so not

2:21:47 ↗ just funding but once within our

2:21:49 ↗ organizational capacity our staff

2:21:51 ↗ capacity looking at the global Supply

2:21:54 ↗ chains taking that into account how long

2:21:57 ↗ um what can we realistically get done

2:21:58 ↗ and what are our resources that we can

2:22:01 ↗ identify that are going to help help us

2:22:03 ↗ get it done right so expanding upon that

2:22:05 ↗ definition replacement or repair of

2:22:08 ↗ existing infrastructure was part of our

2:22:11 ↗ current or old criteria what we're

2:22:14 ↗ suggesting to use in the future is

2:22:16 ↗ replacement or Capital maintenance of

2:22:18 ↗ existing infrastructure and so it's not

2:22:21 ↗ just necessarily repairing something

2:22:22 ↗ that's broken but maybe maintaining it

2:22:25 ↗ better before it gets broken or

2:22:27 ↗ dysfunctional so we wanted to again

2:22:29 ↗ expand on that definition a little bit

2:22:31 ↗ make it more um realistic to how we

2:22:35 ↗ would to the projects that would go into

2:22:37 ↗ the standing and then we're talking

2:22:39 ↗ about additional new criteria that we

2:22:41 ↗ have not had before which is equity

2:22:44 ↗ I wanted to address that

2:22:46 ↗ um and that would be our new addition so

2:22:50 ↗ um keep those in mind we're going to go

2:22:53 ↗ back to these and discuss if you have

2:22:54 ↗ comments or questions on any of them do

2:22:57 ↗ you have any immediate questions right

2:22:58 ↗ now

2:23:01 ↗ yes

2:23:03 ↗ um it seems like separate from Community

2:23:05 ↗ priority should be an explicit criteria

2:23:08 ↗ of previous commitment

2:23:10 ↗ if we as a body have previously and I

2:23:14 ↗ think here specifically around finishing

2:23:16 ↗ uh The Pedestrian Corridor out to South

2:23:20 ↗ Coast or whatever we call it

2:23:22 ↗ um that's there's a there's an element

2:23:25 ↗ to me of as elected officials so we

2:23:27 ↗ should do the things that we say we're

2:23:28 ↗ going to do after the sacred with you

2:23:30 ↗ know and that should be its own criteria

2:23:32 ↗ okay its own criteria not as part of

2:23:36 ↗ community priority to me is different

2:23:38 ↗ from previous equipment okay

2:23:41 ↗ okay it's it's just follow through it's

2:23:43 ↗ closing the loop on the things that we

2:23:45 ↗ say we're going to do and to me it's in

2:23:46 ↗ some ways it's a council side of the

2:23:49 ↗ same conversation we had two hours ago

2:23:51 ↗ about how when we do projects we should

2:23:54 ↗ have milestones and we should see how

2:23:55 ↗ we're doing against those Milestone when

2:23:57 ↗ we make commitments as a body those

2:23:59 ↗ commitments should have the longevity to

2:24:01 ↗ them and what

2:24:04 ↗ okay understood great thank you and

2:24:07 ↗ we're going to have more of a

2:24:08 ↗ conversation about what what we're

2:24:11 ↗ missing here and get more of your

2:24:12 ↗ feedback

2:24:14 ↗ um that's just in a little bit I want to

2:24:15 ↗ talk about the process that we're going

2:24:17 ↗ to

2:24:18 ↗ um use to help refine these criteria as

2:24:21 ↗ well so before we get into your specific

2:24:23 ↗ feedback on what we have so far I also

2:24:24 ↗ want to talk about the process but are

2:24:27 ↗ there any immediate questions about any

2:24:28 ↗ of these things before we move on to the

2:24:30 ↗ process

2:24:33 ↗ one are we talking about so one of the

2:24:37 ↗ steps of this is

2:24:40 ↗ creating criteria for creating this

2:24:43 ↗ first

2:24:44 ↗ set of projects and prioritizing them

2:24:47 ↗ but the other one is like and we're

2:24:49 ↗ gonna have to do an update in two years

2:24:51 ↗ so do the same criteria apply to that

2:24:56 ↗ initial list as to futureless yeah yes

2:25:01 ↗ come on

2:25:02 ↗ yes good question so we're going to talk

2:25:05 ↗ a little bit more about how we use these

2:25:06 ↗ criteria next our next slide

2:25:09 ↗ So currently this is just an example all

2:25:12 ↗ right so this is not set in stone we're

2:25:14 ↗ going to talk about process next but

2:25:16 ↗ currently how we use our criteria is

2:25:18 ↗ it's really a yes no system so

2:25:20 ↗ environmental impact does it have a

2:25:22 ↗ positive environmental fact yes no great

2:25:25 ↗ let's let's put it into this VIP right

2:25:27 ↗ so that's our current system we've

2:25:29 ↗ looked at it again we want to set a

2:25:31 ↗ higher bar and we've also looked at

2:25:33 ↗ other cities and there's more of a

2:25:34 ↗ grading system we didn't want to go to

2:25:37 ↗ the point of scoring points because that

2:25:39 ↗ gets a little technical but what we

2:25:40 ↗ wanted to do was further Define okay

2:25:42 ↗ Community priority what does that

2:25:45 ↗ exactly mean

2:25:46 ↗ um how do we make sure that we need that

2:25:47 ↗ criteria and then also can we give it a

2:25:50 ↗ grade under a community priority green

2:25:53 ↗ meaning that sorry

2:25:56 ↗ green meaning for example that it's

2:26:00 ↗ identified as a near-term priority and

2:26:02 ↗ more than one City Planning document so

2:26:03 ↗ to get a green uh we have a pretty high

2:26:06 ↗ bar for it to to Really succeed in that

2:26:10 ↗ criteria yellow is uh you know it's

2:26:13 ↗ maybe identified as a midterm priority

2:26:15 ↗ or it's in one city plan or something

2:26:17 ↗ like that and then read that it's not

2:26:20 ↗ really identified as part of adopted

2:26:23 ↗ planning document we haven't really

2:26:25 ↗ heard much about it in terms of

2:26:26 ↗ community priority this is just an

2:26:28 ↗ example it's not meant for us to

2:26:32 ↗ um really go over and Wordsmith and all

2:26:34 ↗ of that again there's a process that

2:26:35 ↗ we're going to do that I just wanted to

2:26:37 ↗ show the difference that we're proposing

2:26:40 ↗ with these criteria and how we use them

2:26:41 ↗ from check the box yes no to okay how

2:26:45 ↗ well does it accomplish this criteria

2:26:48 ↗ and that's going to be that's what we're

2:26:50 ↗ proposing to use the criteria

2:26:51 ↗ differently set the bar a little higher

2:26:53 ↗ Court how we conduct these products and

2:26:55 ↗ put them into this VIP

2:26:58 ↗ so questions of how we would use the

2:27:00 ↗ criteria

2:27:04 ↗ okay next

2:27:08 ↗ so process

2:27:10 ↗ um so what we wanted to do given that we

2:27:12 ↗ wanted to update this criteria and we

2:27:14 ↗ wanted to evolve our boards on some of

2:27:16 ↗ our boards and commissions in this those

2:27:17 ↗ boards that touch on this stuff a little

2:27:19 ↗ bit more than others we wanted to take

2:27:22 ↗ these draft criteria after hearing from

2:27:24 ↗ you today and work with four of our

2:27:28 ↗ boards and commissions that deal more

2:27:30 ↗ directly with these types of issues so

2:27:34 ↗ those boards and commissions would be

2:27:36 ↗ our

2:27:37 ↗ um

2:27:38 ↗ obviously our Park board our

2:27:41 ↗ transportation Advisory Board

2:27:43 ↗ um being the two boards that really work

2:27:46 ↗ um and provide uh advice to the city on

2:27:50 ↗ capital projects um but also the equity

2:27:52 ↗ Board of the environmental court and to

2:27:54 ↗ take these criteria to them and say what

2:27:58 ↗ what do you think is this a good start

2:28:00 ↗ how can we refine this to make sure that

2:28:01 ↗ these criteria reflect uh for the

2:28:04 ↗ environmental board for example does the

2:28:06 ↗ environmental criteria we have

2:28:08 ↗ um does that reflect the the icap and

2:28:11 ↗ the goals and I have how how does that

2:28:13 ↗ reflect that it's saying for

2:28:17 ↗ um same for the equity board to look at

2:28:20 ↗ the equity criteria as we've defined it

2:28:22 ↗ and how do we refine this and make it

2:28:23 ↗ better into the CIP so that so we want

2:28:27 ↗ to go to the boards and ask them to take

2:28:29 ↗ a look at those criteria and help us

2:28:31 ↗ refine them and get them to a really

2:28:32 ↗ good point then we will use that

2:28:34 ↗ criteria to draft the

2:28:37 ↗ such as CIP staff provide their

2:28:39 ↗ submissions based off of all those

2:28:41 ↗ adopted plans that we talked about

2:28:42 ↗ earlier and other inputs and then create

2:28:47 ↗ the draft CIP and take that back to

2:28:49 ↗ those four boards and say how did we do

2:28:51 ↗ did we apply the criteria well do you

2:28:54 ↗ think that this worked well and get

2:28:55 ↗ feedback on how well this dip meets

2:28:59 ↗ those criteria that the boards helped us

2:29:01 ↗ refine and establish

2:29:03 ↗ and then

2:29:05 ↗ um then once we hear back from the

2:29:07 ↗ boards the boards will provide that

2:29:08 ↗ feedback we would then communicate that

2:29:10 ↗ to the council committees that's when

2:29:11 ↗ the council committees each get to

2:29:13 ↗ review their section of the CIP so as

2:29:16 ↗ part of the council rules the council

2:29:18 ↗ committees

2:29:19 ↗ um mobility and infrastructure for

2:29:21 ↗ example would take a look at the

2:29:22 ↗ transportation projects water and sewer

2:29:25 ↗ products

2:29:27 ↗ Safety Services and Parks committee will

2:29:30 ↗ look at facilities Fleet I.T equipment

2:29:32 ↗ and parks and trails and the Planning

2:29:36 ↗ Development environment committee would

2:29:38 ↗ look at Surf and stormwater projects and

2:29:41 ↗ so that's how we have it divided up so

2:29:44 ↗ far in the council rules um so we take

2:29:46 ↗ so each committee would be able to take

2:29:47 ↗ that section of this CIP and take a look

2:29:50 ↗ at those projects and provide comments

2:29:51 ↗ and review then

2:29:54 ↗ we would all get together as a committee

2:29:56 ↗ of the whole

2:29:57 ↗ to discuss the entire CIP as a whole and

2:30:01 ↗ Council will be able to review it and

2:30:03 ↗ discuss it as a whole and provide your

2:30:04 ↗ feedback then and then last step would

2:30:07 ↗ be Council adoption so that's how we're

2:30:09 ↗ talking about refining the criteria how

2:30:12 ↗ what the board role is going to be and

2:30:14 ↗ refining the criteria and helping shape

2:30:16 ↗ the CIP that means that we're not asking

2:30:18 ↗ the board to pick certain projects most

2:30:22 ↗ of these boards like tab like

2:30:25 ↗ um cardboard have already provided a lot

2:30:28 ↗ of input in those projects when we made

2:30:30 ↗ the master Mobility plan or the par

2:30:33 ↗ strategic plan and so now we're asking

2:30:35 ↗ them to help us refine the criteria to

2:30:38 ↗ get into the city yeah does that make

2:30:40 ↗ sense when it comes to process and board

2:30:42 ↗ role and Council committee role any

2:30:44 ↗ questions about those things

2:30:47 ↗ so this again makes sense for this first

2:30:50 ↗ process

2:30:52 ↗ what is the proposed process for a

2:30:56 ↗ two-year update would it go back to the

2:30:58 ↗ boards would it go back to the council

2:31:00 ↗ committees I think we need to learn

2:31:02 ↗ those lessons so if we hear back from

2:31:04 ↗ the boards at this stage when we say how

2:31:07 ↗ did we do with the draft CIP and these

2:31:09 ↗ criteria did that work and we heard the

2:31:12 ↗ board say boy we got it all wrong then I

2:31:14 ↗ think we need to think about what is

2:31:16 ↗ that next process what are the lessons

2:31:18 ↗ we can learn and we type so I think

2:31:20 ↗ we're a little too early in the process

2:31:21 ↗ to think about what's going to happen

2:31:23 ↗ two years from now we need to evaluate

2:31:25 ↗ how well this process is going to work

2:31:27 ↗ this year

2:31:28 ↗ sure thanks I that was exactly spot on

2:31:33 ↗ what I was thinking but also

2:31:35 ↗ um

2:31:36 ↗ you know with some other processes that

2:31:39 ↗ we have if we use the criteria and we

2:31:41 ↗ end up with a plan that everybody likes

2:31:43 ↗ there's always a council opportunity in

2:31:44 ↗ this kind of year to confirm the

2:31:47 ↗ criteria are working right so it can be

2:31:50 ↗ an iterative

2:31:52 ↗ covering up thank you okay the other

2:31:55 ↗ thing I would say that becomes a

2:31:58 ↗ question for me is it's great to have

2:32:02 ↗ criteria but with a ton of projects and

2:32:06 ↗ limited resources they're also something

2:32:09 ↗ in there about balancing across you know

2:32:13 ↗ Geographic needs and across different

2:32:16 ↗ types of projects

2:32:19 ↗ how is that a criteria that needs to be

2:32:22 ↗ then added this is a great question one

2:32:26 ↗ of the things that City administrator

2:32:27 ↗ Bob the book said earlier today is you

2:32:30 ↗ know this today we're looking at okay

2:32:32 ↗ the administration's got some about this

2:32:34 ↗ and what it's going to look like council

2:32:36 ↗ is providing your insights and your your

2:32:39 ↗ vision for what it should look like we

2:32:40 ↗ need to mesh them together so this is

2:32:43 ↗ this is what we've thought about so far

2:32:44 ↗ uh a lot of the conversations that you

2:32:47 ↗ had earlier about you know what's

2:32:50 ↗ missing in this VIP or what are your

2:32:52 ↗ goals for the CIP we need to then take

2:32:54 ↗ those and incorporate them into this

2:32:56 ↗ process and so you know I I Geographic

2:32:59 ↗ Equity I think that's that's a great

2:33:02 ↗ thing to talk about that can be part of

2:33:04 ↗ that Equity criteria right so we need to

2:33:06 ↗ think about what is the definition of

2:33:08 ↗ equity how do we eat that what does that

2:33:10 ↗ mean for Issaquah and our our goals and

2:33:12 ↗ vision for the CIP and so that should be

2:33:14 ↗ part of our can be part of our

2:33:15 ↗ conversation today and the feedback that

2:33:17 ↗ we get from you but also certainly our

2:33:19 ↗ boards as we talk to them about what is

2:33:21 ↗ what does that mean Geographic Equity is

2:33:23 ↗ just one example of how we can how we

2:33:25 ↗ can incorporate some of this feedback

2:33:28 ↗ and I think at the end of the process

2:33:30 ↗ you're gonna have to take a step back

2:33:31 ↗ and look at the whole thing and you're

2:33:33 ↗ going to have to say okay we've gone

2:33:35 ↗ through a very thoughtful process to get

2:33:37 ↗ here here's where we're at now what does

2:33:39 ↗ it really look like

2:33:40 ↗ um yeah equity's gonna be a piece

2:33:41 ↗ obviously funding's gonna be a piece

2:33:43 ↗ there's going to be a number of things

2:33:44 ↗ which I don't know that you're going to

2:33:46 ↗ be able to put in an exact measure to

2:33:48 ↗ but I think to have a conversation with

2:33:50 ↗ those thoughts of mine uh toward the end

2:33:52 ↗ will probably help your costume but

2:33:54 ↗ we'll go back and if there's if there's

2:33:57 ↗ a better way or an intermediate step

2:33:58 ↗ that makes sense we'll we'll come back

2:34:01 ↗ with some ideas but my guess is it's

2:34:03 ↗ going to be you're going to look at the

2:34:05 ↗ the big picture and have that big

2:34:07 ↗ picture look informed by some of these

2:34:09 ↗ issues yeah I think my only problem with

2:34:12 ↗ looking back is that we tend to you know

2:34:17 ↗ it's much easier to keep a ball rolling

2:34:18 ↗ than it is to stop it at a certain point

2:34:22 ↗ and so if I'm looking at this and going

2:34:24 ↗ okay the boards provide the criteria

2:34:27 ↗ and then the board feedback on how the

2:34:31 ↗ draft CIP meets the criteria

2:34:34 ↗ in between that is Staff making some

2:34:39 ↗ choices about what's in and what's out

2:34:45 ↗ based on the criteria but also based on

2:34:48 ↗ the idea that you know we have a certain

2:34:51 ↗ like our strategic plan or Community

2:34:54 ↗ survey says some things are more

2:34:55 ↗ important than the others and that's why

2:34:58 ↗ you all got a lot

2:35:00 ↗ but where I'm looking at that that's

2:35:04 ↗ between step one and step two and in

2:35:07 ↗ some ways we're proposing not doing that

2:35:11 ↗ kind of overview look at the balancing

2:35:14 ↗ until yep step four

2:35:17 ↗ well but but you need a hole to do that

2:35:21 ↗ so I think we're coming to the table

2:35:23 ↗ saying we get that equity on many levels

2:35:26 ↗ is really important to us and we are

2:35:28 ↗ we'll do our best to incorporate that we

2:35:32 ↗ want additional feedback from you from

2:35:34 ↗ board the commissions

2:35:36 ↗ um you know we have to add a different

2:35:38 ↗ way to measure Equity after we have

2:35:40 ↗ those discussions we can do that but

2:35:42 ↗ really you're going to have a whole

2:35:44 ↗ bunch of projects staff's going to come

2:35:46 ↗ back and say we only have so much

2:35:47 ↗ capacity we're going to come back

2:35:49 ↗ Robert's going to come back and say you

2:35:50 ↗ only have so much money

2:35:52 ↗ um and then you're just gonna have to

2:35:54 ↗ make decisions our job hopefully is your

2:35:57 ↗ staff Administration is to have as much

2:35:59 ↗ data before you as possible give you our

2:36:02 ↗ best recommendations but then you're

2:36:04 ↗ going to have to decide if something's

2:36:05 ↗ not right on whatever measure Equity

2:36:08 ↗ funding staff resources

2:36:11 ↗ what we'll deal with it at that point

2:36:14 ↗ I would also offer that we will have the

2:36:17 ↗ skulls and outcomes chart right so

2:36:20 ↗ that's something that we're going to

2:36:22 ↗ develop at the next I think Committee of

2:36:23 ↗ the whole

2:36:24 ↗ um is when we we have that scheduled so

2:36:26 ↗ when we when the administration drafts

2:36:29 ↗ the CIP and starts making that document

2:36:32 ↗ public and having public discussions

2:36:34 ↗ about it we will have looked through

2:36:35 ↗ that goals and outcomes chart and do we

2:36:37 ↗ think this drafts CNP Federal's

2:36:39 ↗ announcements chart we're going to get

2:36:41 ↗ feedback there might be some some

2:36:43 ↗ discussions the council committee level

2:36:44 ↗ on that I really anticipate

2:36:48 ↗ um the opportunity to do that here at

2:36:49 ↗ the Cow as well once it's gone through a

2:36:52 ↗ little bit of a process we've had a

2:36:53 ↗ little bit of time to refine it and then

2:36:54 ↗ we'll take out that bills and outcomes

2:36:56 ↗ chart and as Stephanie council president

2:36:58 ↗ Hall said in his opening remarks take

2:37:00 ↗ that step back and look at it as a whole

2:37:01 ↗ and say okay we've gone through this

2:37:03 ↗ process doesn't does it make sense is

2:37:04 ↗ this really does this really mean the

2:37:06 ↗ vision does this really mean the

2:37:08 ↗ original goals that we we set up right

2:37:10 ↗ so I think I think we have this process

2:37:13 ↗ to do that all right Council of remarks

2:37:16 ↗ yeah I just want to say this question

2:37:17 ↗ about weighted prioritization is that

2:37:19 ↗ every engineer struggles with this

2:37:21 ↗ because for instance if you're doing a

2:37:23 ↗ trade setting you're saying do I make

2:37:25 ↗ this thing out of steel or aluminum or

2:37:26 ↗ composite you know you can wake the

2:37:29 ↗ various variables see whatever answer

2:37:30 ↗ you want right so if you if you just

2:37:32 ↗ know your heart at Hearts it should be

2:37:34 ↗ composite you can play with the

2:37:35 ↗ weighting of the variables and voila the

2:37:38 ↗ the trade study shows Composites and to

2:37:40 ↗ Wally's point it's going to come down in

2:37:42 ↗ the end to us right you're going to

2:37:44 ↗ provide us lots of data we're going to

2:37:45 ↗ comb over the data people who think

2:37:47 ↗ Equity should be more important than

2:37:49 ↗ anything except safety will in their

2:37:51 ↗ mind weight it that way and people who

2:37:53 ↗ think budget is more important than

2:37:54 ↗ anything except they say people made it

2:37:56 ↗ that way and so on and so forth but in

2:37:58 ↗ the end the seven of us will then figure

2:37:59 ↗ it out but I'm really excited about the

2:38:01 ↗ data I'm really excited that it's going

2:38:03 ↗ to go to committees that it's going to

2:38:04 ↗ get uh broken out into the Committees

2:38:05 ↗ that is going to be so much work and as

2:38:07 ↗ a committee chair I'm telling you I'm

2:38:09 ↗ excited about that okay

2:38:10 ↗ [Music]

2:38:12 ↗ thank you

2:38:15 ↗ okay

2:38:16 ↗ um oh I'm so sorry yes so

2:38:20 ↗ um when this goes to boards and

2:38:21 ↗ commissions

2:38:22 ↗ uh my question would be the the funding

2:38:26 ↗ there are things that have funding I

2:38:29 ↗ don't think that necessarily means I

2:38:31 ↗ mean needs if hypothetically I'm not

2:38:34 ↗ saying there is a good example of this

2:38:36 ↗ but if it doesn't mean any of the

2:38:37 ↗ criteria except it had funding we

2:38:39 ↗ probably shouldn't do it because it

2:38:40 ↗ probably sets us on a path to needing

2:38:42 ↗ more pending that then we wouldn't have

2:38:44 ↗ Etc

2:38:45 ↗ so the funding went because of that and

2:38:48 ↗ also because that you prioritized it

2:38:50 ↗ like if you were a board and you

2:38:52 ↗ prioritized solar panels on the roof of

2:38:56 ↗ City Hall

2:38:58 ↗ um and then because it met all these

2:38:59 ↗ criteria but it didn't have funding then

2:39:02 ↗ we as council could come to a decision

2:39:04 ↗ about it and put funding so the funding

2:39:06 ↗ one concerns me because it feels like

2:39:08 ↗ there's a piece of that that would

2:39:10 ↗ change during the process because it's

2:39:13 ↗ um there's a piece of it that's

2:39:14 ↗ contingent on the rest of the process at

2:39:16 ↗ least in the way I would hope the

2:39:19 ↗ process would work if we prioritize

2:39:21 ↗ something that doesn't have funding then

2:39:23 ↗ we would look at other Revenue sources

2:39:26 ↗ and find a funding source so having that

2:39:27 ↗ as a criteria kind of

2:39:29 ↗ I think it's more of a context piece

2:39:32 ↗ like it's context that we're leaving so

2:39:34 ↗ many on the table for example but you

2:39:36 ↗ know there's that set up stuff or other

2:39:37 ↗ things and does the project

2:39:40 ↗ I've never particularly that as a

2:39:43 ↗ criteria has never resonated with me

2:39:46 ↗ um and I wonder how boards are going to

2:39:47 ↗ think about it because

2:39:49 ↗ they might see that as oh well we don't

2:39:51 ↗ have funding so

2:39:52 ↗ it's a conflict position

2:39:54 ↗ and and I think you know that's one of

2:39:57 ↗ the other so the criteria is resources

2:40:00 ↗ so it's the Staffing capacity too and

2:40:03 ↗ then it's which comes from funding

2:40:05 ↗ um but then it's how does it sit within

2:40:08 ↗ all the other criteria something's rated

2:40:09 ↗ you know there's I think uh six or seven

2:40:13 ↗ criteria that we're suggesting if

2:40:14 ↗ something created really high on all

2:40:15 ↗ these other criteria then that really

2:40:17 ↗ shows maybe we really need to focus on

2:40:20 ↗ how to get the funding for this it's the

2:40:22 ↗ classic pinch Point problem yeah I mean

2:40:24 ↗ yeah and I wasn't here from us most of

2:40:26 ↗ that so I always say how I perceived it

2:40:28 ↗ uh the council kept saying this is

2:40:30 ↗ important this is important is important

2:40:32 ↗ and the staff dismissed it saying yeah

2:40:34 ↗ okay fine we have nobody to pay for it

2:40:36 ↗ so we'll work on it when we find a way

2:40:37 ↗ to pay for it so there's that missing

2:40:39 ↗ piece of this which is so Central to I

2:40:42 ↗ think everything we're talking about

2:40:43 ↗ today is yes think big have all these

2:40:47 ↗ wonderful Visions for the community you

2:40:50 ↗ know money informs that it's a complete

2:40:52 ↗ the marriage textual piece of it but

2:40:55 ↗ it's not a completely in or completely

2:40:57 ↗ out

2:40:58 ↗ and that's really important and we will

2:41:01 ↗ you know for those Mormon commission

2:41:02 ↗ vendors who have lived through other

2:41:04 ↗ iterations of this we will be very clear

2:41:07 ↗ in saying that so they understand that

2:41:09 ↗ it's contextual yeah

2:41:11 ↗ moving forward because if there are

2:41:13 ↗ really important things that meet all

2:41:15 ↗ these other criteria but there is no

2:41:16 ↗ money

2:41:18 ↗ then our job to figure it out not simply

2:41:21 ↗ to throw up our hands and say sorry

2:41:23 ↗ move on to something you could pay for

2:41:27 ↗ it's a really big Chef yes a really big

2:41:31 ↗ show

2:41:32 ↗ my ask would be then that it is treated

2:41:34 ↗ differently in that list of criteria

2:41:36 ↗ right now it's you know people in that

2:41:39 ↗ list with Community priority which it's

2:41:41 ↗ it's not it's something in the major

2:41:43 ↗ Community priority but we don't

2:41:44 ↗ currently have a funding source

2:41:46 ↗ identified then like you said we need to

2:41:47 ↗ figure it out

2:41:49 ↗ um so our job is to try to be holistic

2:41:51 ↗ too so this is we're getting a little

2:41:54 ↗ bit ahead of ourselves but we're not

2:41:56 ↗ proposing that this is numerically rated

2:41:58 ↗ yeah any of the criteria or you're going

2:42:01 ↗ to hear in a few minutes right yeah you

2:42:02 ↗ have a good time okay did you already

2:42:04 ↗ talk about it okay coffee was important

2:42:07 ↗ right

2:42:09 ↗ you know so we're gonna we're gonna

2:42:12 ↗ eyeball it too

2:42:14 ↗ um again I think we

2:42:17 ↗ you know if the council wants to stick

2:42:19 ↗ it out or put it aside that's fine but I

2:42:22 ↗ again my recommendation is your city

2:42:24 ↗ mystery would be let's Let It Ride

2:42:27 ↗ um you know because there's the human

2:42:28 ↗ piece there's the intellectual piece of

2:42:30 ↗ this it's not just all you know

2:42:34 ↗ we need to step back in the sky

2:42:36 ↗ hopefully we're we have those skills too

2:42:39 ↗ and that we can do the same

2:42:50 ↗ this this gets us to the discussion so

2:42:52 ↗ we're already in the middle of it but

2:42:54 ↗ the first question is Council comparable

2:42:56 ↗ with the I'm sorry for the Arab wording

2:42:59 ↗ on this what the proposed uh criteria

2:43:02 ↗ changes is what I had meant to say here

2:43:05 ↗ so it's kind of so comfortable with the

2:43:06 ↗ criteria

2:43:09 ↗ um that we have and then the second

2:43:10 ↗ question would be is going to feedback

2:43:12 ↗ on the process to revise that criteria

2:43:15 ↗ and refine that criteria

2:43:18 ↗ Council remarks 30-second soapbox

2:43:22 ↗ um honor is defined one definition as uh

2:43:26 ↗ one's word given as a guarantee of

2:43:27 ↗ performance and so at my day job I've

2:43:30 ↗ been trying to instantiate a concept

2:43:32 ↗ called honorable engineering where you

2:43:33 ↗ make commitments in the United States

2:43:35 ↗ commitments I think executing to our

2:43:38 ↗ commitments as an elected body is also

2:43:40 ↗ super important it's why I brought up

2:43:42 ↗ this potential criteria of you know kind

2:43:45 ↗ of existing commitment

2:43:47 ↗ um I think what we say is important and

2:43:49 ↗ I don't think we should re-zero the

2:43:51 ↗ board every year so I I would really

2:43:53 ↗ like to see a criteria that takes into

2:43:55 ↗ account explicitly uh things that we

2:43:57 ↗ have said that we're going to do

2:43:59 ↗ end of surplus

2:44:05 ↗ so I'm kind of been wrestling a little

2:44:07 ↗ bit with the resource question because I

2:44:11 ↗ think it's different and I believe the

2:44:14 ↗ contextual stuff but the resources are

2:44:18 ↗ big in scope and not specifically

2:44:22 ↗ um

2:44:23 ↗ immutably and permanently tied to an

2:44:25 ↗ initiative so I might have resources

2:44:28 ↗ today because we we did that but those

2:44:32 ↗ resources don't have to be tied to that

2:44:35 ↗ um to that project you know unless maybe

2:44:38 ↗ they're coming from an external Source

2:44:39 ↗ or something but when we start looking

2:44:41 ↗ at in the broader context of resources

2:44:42 ↗ and I love where you went Andrea with um

2:44:45 ↗ um you know supply chain it's City staff

2:44:48 ↗ it's all of those things those are very

2:44:50 ↗ fungible across um initiatives and so to

2:44:53 ↗ Victoria's point it's like you know just

2:44:55 ↗ because I had funding yesterday

2:44:57 ↗ because of some some model doesn't mean

2:45:00 ↗ I should have funding tomorrow I think I

2:45:02 ↗ I think it's an important that's an

2:45:03 ↗ essential criteria but I think it sits

2:45:07 ↗ um on a different dimension

2:45:09 ↗ um so that I mean that's that's the only

2:45:11 ↗ feedback I would have on that the

2:45:13 ↗ proposed changes I generally like them

2:45:14 ↗ but I think that one is that's a

2:45:16 ↗ different Critter that's a that's a

2:45:19 ↗ that's a horizontal where these others

2:45:20 ↗ are vertical

2:45:22 ↗ [Music]

2:45:23 ↗ can I ask a clarifying question no

2:45:26 ↗ [Laughter]

2:45:29 ↗ [Music]

2:45:30 ↗ specifically referring to funding or the

2:45:32 ↗ other components when it comes to

2:45:34 ↗ resources all of the resource

2:45:36 ↗ constraints I think are are fungible and

2:45:39 ↗ and can be moved around so let's say

2:45:41 ↗ it's uh you know the constraint was was

2:45:44 ↗ engineering because that's that's a

2:45:45 ↗ constraint right now right well I may

2:45:48 ↗ have an engineer that I've assigned to

2:45:50 ↗ this project but that's not an important

2:45:51 ↗ project anymore that that resource is

2:45:53 ↗ fundable I can move it so saying well we

2:45:56 ↗ already got an engineer so this one's a

2:45:58 ↗ higher priority I don't think that fits

2:45:59 ↗ but I think it's it it's it's an

2:46:01 ↗ essential to look at it but it's not

2:46:04 ↗ necessarily

2:46:06 ↗ the same project

2:46:08 ↗ and again I look at a completely mere

2:46:11 ↗ opposite I guess that you know it's

2:46:14 ↗ you know we have to be informed by the

2:46:17 ↗ budget issue but that's why you have a

2:46:19 ↗ capital budget process different from a

2:46:20 ↗ capital planning process and I think

2:46:22 ↗ that fungibility piece comes in the

2:46:25 ↗ capital budgeting process more than the

2:46:27 ↗ capital planning process they're they're

2:46:29 ↗ they're inextric they're related

2:46:31 ↗ obviously but then that's the

2:46:34 ↗ administration's responsibility through

2:46:35 ↗ the budget and through assignments

2:46:38 ↗ because part of this too is Emily how

2:46:40 ↗ many Engineers do you have half dozen

2:46:44 ↗ about seven seven Okay so you budget

2:46:48 ↗ line item in a budget seven Engineers

2:46:50 ↗ those engineers at least currently are

2:46:52 ↗ not tied to anything other than their

2:46:55 ↗ seven engineers and so every year

2:46:57 ↗ through the budget process we evaluated

2:46:59 ↗ separate Engineers enough Emily gets the

2:47:02 ↗ budget on January 1. she decides okay

2:47:04 ↗ how am I going to assign those engineers

2:47:07 ↗ so that's informed by the capital plan

2:47:09 ↗ that's informed by the capital budget

2:47:10 ↗ it's informed by her best estimate of

2:47:13 ↗ who those seven Engineers are and what

2:47:15 ↗ they can do yeah so so I think I don't

2:47:18 ↗ think we're saying flipped I think we're

2:47:19 ↗ seeing it the same I mean I think it's

2:47:20 ↗ you know and you can move those around

2:47:22 ↗ but just because maybe we had thought

2:47:25 ↗ that we were doing this one or we had

2:47:27 ↗ assigned resources doesn't mean if the

2:47:29 ↗ priorities shake out differently that we

2:47:30 ↗ continue to do it by factoring in

2:47:32 ↗ resources as a as an evaluation criteria

2:47:36 ↗ but

2:47:39 ↗ you know I again I think there there are

2:47:42 ↗ multiple kinds of resources some of

2:47:44 ↗ those are planned resources some of

2:47:45 ↗ those are budgeted resources and some of

2:47:47 ↗ those are the demanded resources and so

2:47:49 ↗ I think all three of those components

2:47:51 ↗ are different

2:47:52 ↗ um but at the end of the day if you if

2:47:54 ↗ there are parts of a project that have

2:47:57 ↗ purchase have you know outside

2:47:59 ↗ Contracting all of those things are

2:48:02 ↗ pieces of that too so

2:48:04 ↗ um again Capital planning versus Capital

2:48:07 ↗ budgeting versus you know execution I

2:48:10 ↗ mean we have to be careful not to switch

2:48:12 ↗ too much of them around there there are

2:48:14 ↗ silos I hate to use the word silos but

2:48:17 ↗ they're kind of are silos to it

2:48:20 ↗ um so can I say I've heard this a few

2:48:23 ↗ times from people and I think there's

2:48:26 ↗ maybe a confusion about how

2:48:30 ↗ identified and you know resources fit

2:48:35 ↗ into this so can we maybe put a pin in

2:48:38 ↗ that and say that's something that maybe

2:48:40 ↗ we need to come back to and have a

2:48:42 ↗ conversation on whether that is part of

2:48:45 ↗ the board

2:48:46 ↗ um criteria or just staff

2:48:48 ↗ how it figures in okay

2:48:51 ↗ thanks

2:48:53 ↗ um I would just ask the administration

2:48:55 ↗ to

2:48:57 ↗ um make sure that Equity doesn't get

2:48:59 ↗ lost in the equation I mean it seems

2:49:01 ↗ that we're going to be stripping out

2:49:02 ↗ things for the equity board to be

2:49:04 ↗ consider and yet the committee or the

2:49:07 ↗ the board of commission that has the

2:49:09 ↗ project itself is going to be looking at

2:49:10 ↗ it as well and they may put an equity

2:49:13 ↗ lens to it

2:49:15 ↗ also and so if those two conflict or

2:49:18 ↗ those two get somehow get lost in the in

2:49:21 ↗ the the shuffle that's being discussed

2:49:22 ↗ and then we lose kind of that that focus

2:49:26 ↗ and also if Equity doesn't have the

2:49:29 ↗ funding behind it but the community is

2:49:31 ↗ really wants to see it based on just the

2:49:34 ↗ current socioeconomic and the the the

2:49:37 ↗ currents that are going on in the world

2:49:40 ↗ um the waiting I think is is important

2:49:41 ↗ that the total March points out too

2:49:44 ↗ um so my concern is that Equity is not

2:49:47 ↗ just attached to one project all the way

2:49:49 ↗ through and only one committee you've

2:49:51 ↗ got two people looking at or the equity

2:49:52 ↗ committee looking at it and another lens

2:49:54 ↗ from the committee that's looking at the

2:49:56 ↗ project itself so just don't want us to

2:49:58 ↗ lose that and I think it's important to

2:50:00 ↗ make sure that it it continues to be

2:50:03 ↗ tracked

2:50:07 ↗ um Bellevue CIP has some really

2:50:10 ↗ interesting criteria in the financial

2:50:11 ↗ factors they mentioned Revenue

2:50:14 ↗ generating process projects cost versus

2:50:18 ↗ benefit

2:50:19 ↗ um sunk costs

2:50:21 ↗ avoided costs and stewardship and I

2:50:25 ↗ think all of those are really important

2:50:27 ↗ in evaluating which projects it's not

2:50:30 ↗ just about what resources do we put into

2:50:32 ↗ it but also can we generate Revenue are

2:50:36 ↗ we avoiding costs you know

2:50:39 ↗ um all of those things that make us

2:50:41 ↗ effective users of our money so I would

2:50:43 ↗ advocate for that as part of the

2:50:45 ↗ criteria

2:50:47 ↗ okay I'm I'm looking at my notetaker

2:50:49 ↗ here and seeing if you got all of those

2:50:51 ↗ right Bellevue CIP okay great thank you

2:50:59 ↗ my mind was just kind of going lower

2:51:01 ↗ because you said some costs which

2:51:02 ↗ reminded me a lot of what I told him was

2:51:04 ↗ just talking about with regard to you

2:51:06 ↗ know staying committed to what we've

2:51:08 ↗ committed to funds

2:51:10 ↗ um if we've already put resources into

2:51:12 ↗ something to follow through for the

2:51:13 ↗ community so I wonder if that's actually

2:51:15 ↗ part of that

2:51:17 ↗ identified resources element to

2:51:20 ↗ um I could see how commitment to

2:51:22 ↗ community your commitment to what we've

2:51:24 ↗ said we're going to do fits into a lot

2:51:26 ↗ of these so I'm not necessarily sure if

2:51:27 ↗ it needs to be stand out or not but I

2:51:30 ↗ definitely I think that's a point well

2:51:32 ↗ taken that needs to live in this

2:51:34 ↗ um one question and well actually first

2:51:37 ↗ I want to say ditto about equity and

2:51:40 ↗ which makes it so important for us to

2:51:42 ↗ Define what that means

2:51:45 ↗ um to the extent that's possible I don't

2:51:48 ↗ know how the equity board is going to

2:51:50 ↗ Grapple about that I look forward to

2:51:52 ↗ letting them do that work seeing how

2:51:55 ↗ other communities across the country

2:51:56 ↗ have done that and how they've

2:51:58 ↗ Incorporated that into the

2:51:59 ↗ infrastructure planning will be

2:52:00 ↗ interesting too

2:52:02 ↗ um one question so our current CIP

2:52:04 ↗ there's a kind of a narrative paragraph

2:52:06 ↗ right before the current criteria that

2:52:09 ↗ talks about how previously in previous

2:52:12 ↗ iterations of the CIP

2:52:14 ↗ um projects would be ranked and it was

2:52:17 ↗ very subjective and so that's kind of

2:52:19 ↗ why we moved away from this do you have

2:52:22 ↗ any concern that that it's still kind of

2:52:25 ↗ subjective and how do we get towards

2:52:27 ↗ more objective

2:52:29 ↗ I think there's always going to be human

2:52:31 ↗ judgment in this process and I think

2:52:34 ↗ that's the reality and that's why we

2:52:35 ↗ have I mean if you take a look at this

2:52:37 ↗ process there's a lot of involvement of

2:52:40 ↗ boards and a lot of people get to weigh

2:52:41 ↗ in and and apply their human judgment

2:52:44 ↗ and you know

2:52:46 ↗ um so hopefully that results in a really

2:52:48 ↗ good outcome but I think uh also what we

2:52:52 ↗ want to do is set up the structure

2:52:54 ↗ um in this case but the criteria and

2:52:57 ↗ what defines red yellow green

2:53:01 ↗ um to try to take

2:53:02 ↗ some of that subjectiveness out so

2:53:06 ↗ um and not just saying yes it means no

2:53:08 ↗ it doesn't

2:53:10 ↗ um it's I think in the Middle Ground

2:53:11 ↗ between yes or no and we're gonna give

2:53:14 ↗ it a 7.5 on Equity because of this

2:53:17 ↗ reason and this other thing we're going

2:53:19 ↗ to score in a 3.25 you know out of 10.

2:53:22 ↗ so we're trying to find the middle

2:53:23 ↗ ground that

2:53:25 ↗ um gives a good framework that can be

2:53:28 ↗ consistently applied but still

2:53:30 ↗ recognizing that there is human judgment

2:53:32 ↗ in all of this this

2:53:34 ↗ okay I buy that and I think the red

2:53:36 ↗ yellow green is a good model

2:53:40 ↗ um the other thing too when when I think

2:53:42 ↗ about these criteria is you know earlier

2:53:45 ↗ I talked about how we have this kind of

2:53:47 ↗ lack of a compelling Vision or message

2:53:50 ↗ that our CIP sends in terms of what the

2:53:52 ↗ future of infrastructure is in Issaquah

2:53:55 ↗ and

2:53:56 ↗ um

2:53:57 ↗ what it means for our community the

2:53:59 ↗ criteria actually helped tell that story

2:54:01 ↗ a little bit about what's important to

2:54:02 ↗ us and what the future is going to look

2:54:05 ↗ like so I would ask that the boards and

2:54:08 ↗ commissions that we are talking to have

2:54:10 ↗ some time to

2:54:12 ↗ um to borrow work from from Chris o'pine

2:54:14 ↗ on that

2:54:16 ↗ um

2:54:16 ↗ on this criteria with regard to vision

2:54:19 ↗ and is this the right Vision that we're

2:54:21 ↗ setting up for the infrastructure and

2:54:23 ↗ capital investments in the community I

2:54:26 ↗ think we would get some valuable

2:54:27 ↗ feedback from them about that

2:54:29 ↗ I like that idea of envisioning do these

2:54:33 ↗ criteria get us where we want to be not

2:54:36 ↗ just are these the right criteria

2:54:42 ↗ two things I really really like one is I

2:54:46 ↗ I particularly like the idea if we said

2:54:48 ↗ we were going to do it then we need to

2:54:50 ↗ wait it more heavily and do it the only

2:54:51 ↗ slippery slope we I worry about is

2:54:54 ↗ um

2:54:54 ↗ we also need the ability to kill

2:54:56 ↗ something that needs to die so so that's

2:54:59 ↗ the copper step but I think that all too

2:55:01 ↗ often we keep saying we're gonna do

2:55:02 ↗ something to do something we'd ever do

2:55:04 ↗ it so yes second thing I love love the

2:55:07 ↗ idea of having very specific uh

2:55:10 ↗ descriptors of what makes a green in

2:55:12 ↗ this particular criteria and what makes

2:55:14 ↗ it yellow so that it drives some of that

2:55:16 ↗ subjectivity out of it it's like kind of

2:55:18 ↗ feels like a green to me and it's like

2:55:20 ↗ here are the here are the here are the

2:55:21 ↗ attributes here are the attributes

2:55:24 ↗ I just think that that is that makes for

2:55:27 ↗ a really cleaner model it's a little

2:55:29 ↗ more work up front obviously but I think

2:55:31 ↗ we will we will appreciate that greatly

2:55:35 ↗ over time so and would you say that

2:55:37 ↗ those criteria things examples might be

2:55:40 ↗ different if it was a Parks project

2:55:42 ↗ versus a transportation project versus

2:55:46 ↗ I don't know I mean ultimately I would

2:55:49 ↗ like it not to be I'd like it was

2:55:51 ↗ attributes to be sufficiently Broad in

2:55:53 ↗ scope so that it was a part Parks or

2:55:55 ↗ road or whatever they would fit but that

2:55:58 ↗ being said there may be somewhere they

2:56:01 ↗ break out so you know maybe you know

2:56:04 ↗ some of them

2:56:05 ↗ break out differently and some of them

2:56:07 ↗ are the same so yeah if they Define the

2:56:10 ↗ attributes of of a of a rating yeah okay

2:56:14 ↗ so um also we're about 45 minutes behind

2:56:16 ↗ so how are we doing on this so this is

2:56:18 ↗ good so if unless there's any other

2:56:21 ↗ comments or questions I think we're

2:56:22 ↗ ready to move on

2:56:35 ↗ was it a previous CIP or how many times

2:56:38 ↗ the council

2:56:40 ↗ complains that why haven't you done it

2:56:43 ↗ um because because my fear is is that if

2:56:48 ↗ it's anything that's in the previous CIP

2:56:49 ↗ you're losing it

2:56:50 ↗ so maybe you have to you the council has

2:56:53 ↗ to have special powers to designate

2:56:56 ↗ something uh because otherwise you may

2:56:59 ↗ it would be really hard

2:57:01 ↗ other than yeah you complain about but I

2:57:04 ↗ think it like any other of these

2:57:05 ↗ criteria it ought to have attributes so

2:57:07 ↗ if it's if a green yellow red too in

2:57:10 ↗ terms of previous Commitment if it was

2:57:12 ↗ these three things and it's a green if

2:57:14 ↗ it's these two it's a red if it's you

2:57:16 ↗ know something else is yellow

2:57:19 ↗ so I think that it can it can have the

2:57:21 ↗ same you can use the same model and we

2:57:22 ↗ can but one of those things may be

2:57:24 ↗ Council has complained about it over

2:57:26 ↗ five budgets yeah you know

2:57:29 ↗ I I think part of that is that the

2:57:32 ↗ community's priorities

2:57:34 ↗ um one of the things we've heard about

2:57:36 ↗ certain projects like sidewalks and

2:57:38 ↗ squawk is that it's been something

2:57:40 ↗ that's been on people's minds for so

2:57:42 ↗ long but they sort of don't maybe bring

2:57:45 ↗ that to council anymore because it isn't

2:57:48 ↗ moving forward and so it's kind of like

2:57:50 ↗ that um

2:57:52 ↗ so there's been a drop off versus a new

2:57:54 ↗ drop off of Engagement versus a new

2:57:57 ↗ project that's on everybody's mind and

2:57:59 ↗ so I think having that history is an

2:58:01 ↗ important piece because

2:58:04 ↗ um

2:58:04 ↗ yeah I mean and I I brought that up like

2:58:08 ↗ before about having the history also in

2:58:10 ↗ the document I think it's an important

2:58:11 ↗ piece of the context I don't know how to

2:58:14 ↗ make it a criteria but I do think it's

2:58:16 ↗ an important piece

2:58:19 ↗ one possible solution you know in the

2:58:22 ↗ same way that we treat spending bills

2:58:25 ↗ different than other bills in terms of

2:58:27 ↗ getting a quorum from Council you could

2:58:29 ↗ treat votes on spending to treat the

2:58:31 ↗ other votes right and we've actually

2:58:33 ↗ Pony money up for something that seems

2:58:36 ↗ to be a different kind of commitment

2:58:37 ↗ rather than a qualitative commitment but

2:58:39 ↗ just an idea

2:58:43 ↗ so is that the end of the criteria and

2:58:47 ↗ role of the boards and commissions it I

2:58:50 ↗ believe so I think what I also heard was

2:58:52 ↗ general buy-in on the process that we

2:58:55 ↗ would use to refine these criteria in

2:58:57 ↗ the boarding commission rules so I'm

2:58:59 ↗ getting some nods so that's great um we

2:59:02 ↗ can move on and I actually think we're

2:59:03 ↗ doing okay on time

2:59:05 ↗ um if we're ready to just dive into the

2:59:07 ↗ next okay we don't have a ton of slides

2:59:09 ↗ in any of these sections so

2:59:13 ↗ um

2:59:16 ↗ and that has been uh she's she's here

2:59:19 ↗ we're I'm confirming if we don't mind

2:59:22 ↗ pausing for it I'm just confirming that

2:59:24 ↗ our audio is still working

2:59:27 ↗ um exercise on the screen

2:59:30 ↗ I'm just try turning it on and off oh

2:59:35 ↗ this is so fun

2:59:40 ↗ [Music]

2:59:42 ↗ I think tissues to get an honorary PhD

2:59:45 ↗ and information technology

2:59:54 ↗ um

2:59:59 ↗ [Music]

3:00:02 ↗ might

3:00:15 ↗ work on it okay

3:00:24 ↗ you know if we want if we want the

3:00:27 ↗ PowerPoint back we might need to take a

3:00:28 ↗ break so I can really find the meeting

3:00:30 ↗ again

3:00:32 ↗ okay

3:00:33 ↗ five minutes okay

3:00:36 ↗ counting down

3:00:39 ↗ if we'll get some more coffee yeah or

3:01:29 ↗ [Music]

3:01:46 ↗ yes and we need to cover the funding and

3:01:48 ↗ revenue options and then the work plan

3:01:50 ↗ and Council agenda so is your is your

3:01:53 ↗ sense that that's less than 45 minutes

3:01:55 ↗ so we're playing stuff oh yeah okay so

3:01:59 ↗ how much time would you like to have at

3:02:00 ↗ the end to do that 15 20 minutes

3:02:06 ↗ so yeah

3:02:09 ↗ okay so by by 135 we should shoot to be

3:02:13 ↗ down yes okay

3:02:16 ↗ yeah do we have any public participants

3:02:20 ↗ okay one 145. okay yeah

3:02:28 ↗ okay you got 58 minutes okay

3:02:34 ↗ great uh we don't have that many slides

3:02:36 ↗ so wonderful um so this Fortune we

3:02:39 ↗ really want to talk about so we talked

3:02:40 ↗ about the CIP update process we talked

3:02:43 ↗ about you know different goals for the

3:02:45 ↗ CIP we talked about Boards of commission

3:02:47 ↗ rules we talked about

3:02:49 ↗ um

3:02:50 ↗ uh the overall process for updating the

3:02:52 ↗ CSA now we want to talk about some of

3:02:56 ↗ the things

3:03:00 ↗ IP so uh this is really about the

3:03:03 ↗ administration's proposal to fund the

3:03:05 ↗ different Capital priorities the next

3:03:07 ↗ slide shows an overview of the task

3:03:10 ↗ force recommendations and so one of the

3:03:12 ↗ things we had mentioned earlier was

3:03:14 ↗ wanting to make sure that we didn't

3:03:15 ↗ forget this work that we incorporated

3:03:16 ↗ this work to build off of this work that

3:03:18 ↗ was done last year in the Empire and so

3:03:22 ↗ overview of the task force

3:03:24 ↗ recommendations you'll see short term

3:03:26 ↗ which was zero to three years from last

3:03:28 ↗ year they wanted us to use I think fun

3:03:30 ↗ balance and arpa money American Recovery

3:03:33 ↗ plan act money

3:03:34 ↗ um in the short term of a mix of

3:03:37 ↗ projects across the categories

3:03:39 ↗ um as directed by city council that was

3:03:41 ↗ the first recommendation of what to do

3:03:43 ↗ in the short term and that we have we

3:03:45 ↗ are applying towards right we picked

3:03:47 ↗ those project Community investment

3:03:49 ↗ strategy we're working on those projects

3:03:51 ↗ we got some extra resources in terms of

3:03:53 ↗ staff to be able to accomplish those

3:03:55 ↗ projects

3:03:56 ↗ um so that we are actively working on

3:04:00 ↗ and implementing the second medium term

3:04:03 ↗ four to six years is to examine new

3:04:05 ↗ Revenue sources

3:04:07 ↗ so that would under the task force

3:04:09 ↗ recommendations that was a livelihood

3:04:11 ↗ lift or Transportation benefit district

3:04:13 ↗ sales tax that was their recommendation

3:04:15 ↗ to examine those new Revenue sources

3:04:18 ↗ which would need to go to the voters and

3:04:21 ↗ to fund the transportation primarily but

3:04:24 ↗ possibly other needs

3:04:26 ↗ um

3:04:27 ↗ they did say transportation and Mobility

3:04:30 ↗ is our number one priority and we should

3:04:31 ↗ think about how to move the needle on

3:04:33 ↗ that first

3:04:35 ↗ um they also said parks and trails and

3:04:37 ↗ Facilities were also really important

3:04:39 ↗ they didn't want to rank them

3:04:41 ↗ um and

3:04:43 ↗ uh so long term

3:04:45 ↗ six to nine years they wanted the city

3:04:47 ↗ to examine a Parks District which would

3:04:49 ↗ again be a new voter approved Revenue

3:04:52 ↗ Source uh to provide for parks and

3:04:54 ↗ trails and so that was an overview of

3:04:56 ↗ their recommendation that task force

3:04:59 ↗ also felt uh ill-qualified to provide

3:05:01 ↗ recommendations on facilities that was

3:05:03 ↗ something they really felt like the

3:05:04 ↗ administration should weigh in on in

3:05:06 ↗ terms of what are the needs how

3:05:08 ↗ important and Urgent are those needs

3:05:11 ↗ because they're nice in your summary I

3:05:14 ↗ think the only thing you're missing is

3:05:15 ↗ in the medium term you characterize

3:05:17 ↗ those as voter approved I think we there

3:05:19 ↗ was also a conversation about

3:05:20 ↗ complimatic bonding Authority uh which

3:05:23 ↗ is not

3:05:24 ↗ I just want to mention that thank you

3:05:26 ↗ thank you that's true it sends that

3:05:27 ↗ conversation some changes that the state

3:05:29 ↗ legislature have changed

3:05:35 ↗ um we have a staggering I mean it's not

3:05:37 ↗ necessarily a good idea to use we have a

3:05:39 ↗ staggering amount of complemented

3:05:40 ↗ funding Authority at this moment when I

3:05:42 ↗ started on Council we didn't it was

3:05:43 ↗ actually done but because we haven't

3:05:45 ↗ used it at all in 12 years we have an

3:05:47 ↗ immense amount it would torpedo our

3:05:49 ↗ finances use all of it but to use some

3:05:52 ↗ of it is a strategic conversation

3:05:54 ↗ thank you

3:05:58 ↗ um so that's an overview any other

3:06:00 ↗ questions about task force

3:06:02 ↗ recommendations

3:06:03 ↗ let's go on to the next slide then

3:06:05 ↗ please

3:06:07 ↗ and this is where I'll bring up Robert

3:06:09 ↗ Chief Financial Officer to talk about

3:06:11 ↗ the general fund and this goes into our

3:06:14 ↗ ability to pay for some of the

3:06:15 ↗ councilmatic bonds bonds as well so

3:06:17 ↗ Robert yes

3:06:19 ↗ thank you Andrea

3:06:21 ↗ so with the general fund

3:06:23 ↗ is we've discussed to know with members

3:06:26 ↗ of the task force we did present some of

3:06:27 ↗ this information last year and we also

3:06:30 ↗ presented this no biennial budget so

3:06:31 ↗ current

3:06:32 ↗ yeah these are not enough to cover

3:06:34 ↗ facilities Capital costs without a

3:06:36 ↗ significant reduction in service meaning

3:06:37 ↗ we have everything in one pot right now

3:06:39 ↗ what's you know a strong point of the

3:06:41 ↗ city is we have very little debt

3:06:42 ↗ outstanding on the general obligation

3:06:44 ↗ side but at the same time our general

3:06:47 ↗ fund is covering a multitude of expenses

3:06:49 ↗ of course with the base Levy the base

3:06:52 ↗ taxes that we have with utility tax

3:06:53 ↗ sales tax fees of course charity by the

3:06:56 ↗ city revenues and expenditures right now

3:06:58 ↗ this is the same forecast that was

3:07:00 ↗ presented last year during the budget

3:07:03 ↗ process but we did add it to go through

3:07:05 ↗ 2029 and we're still balanced through

3:07:07 ↗ 2029 assuming a strong economy that

3:07:10 ↗ balance includes still the council

3:07:12 ↗ targeted 15 of unrestricted fund balance

3:07:15 ↗ we're still there

3:07:17 ↗ um but that's about to get to 2029 it's

3:07:19 ↗ about 10.6 million dollars and so I want

3:07:22 ↗ you to think the what if meaning

3:07:24 ↗ unfortunately sometimes we're like we're

3:07:26 ↗ going to do business what is the worst

3:07:27 ↗ case that could happen to the city it

3:07:29 ↗ would be a recession of course there's

3:07:31 ↗ been a lot of talk of it but we're still

3:07:32 ↗ not seeing that happening yet we're

3:07:34 ↗ still seeing

3:07:35 ↗ um we look like we're ending the year uh

3:07:38 ↗ we have one month outstanding of their

3:07:40 ↗ sales tax for example or written in a

3:07:41 ↗ year right on target at this point right

3:07:43 ↗ in the year on target with almost all of

3:07:46 ↗ our Revenue sources so we're still you

3:07:47 ↗ know looking strong that being said if

3:07:50 ↗ you did have a downturn and you wanted

3:07:51 ↗ to see what the impact would be the

3:07:53 ↗ average recession over the past four or

3:07:56 ↗ five different recessions if you throw

3:07:57 ↗ out Kobe that was a an anomaly it's

3:08:00 ↗ about an 18-month impact so 18 months of

3:08:03 ↗ negative GDP but of course it's going to

3:08:06 ↗ have multiple year effect on

3:08:08 ↗ the revenues and expenditures of the

3:08:10 ↗ city because you're growing on a slower

3:08:12 ↗ base you're losing some of your base

3:08:13 ↗ you'll recover

3:08:15 ↗ that you're not seeing the increases you

3:08:17 ↗ would year to year like we're seeing

3:08:18 ↗ about after three percent of the out

3:08:20 ↗ years year to year on the revenue and

3:08:22 ↗ expense side so what would that do an

3:08:24 ↗ impact of an 18-month recession if we

3:08:26 ↗ look at the southwest of 2029 it would

3:08:29 ↗ be almost the entire amount

3:08:31 ↗ of the unrestricted on that balance so

3:08:32 ↗ again if you look at the unrestricted

3:08:34 ↗ fund balance as a rainy day fund it

3:08:36 ↗ rains takes so this is just chemical

3:08:40 ↗ right now everything holds together all

3:08:43 ↗ of our Revenue expenditure assumptions

3:08:44 ↗ that we built into the biennial budget

3:08:46 ↗ hold together through 2029 so if

3:08:49 ↗ everything's constant at the city this

3:08:51 ↗ is the scenario looking at if you had an

3:08:53 ↗ 18-month recession

3:08:56 ↗ and if you didn't alter your spending in

3:08:58 ↗ any way in response

3:09:00 ↗ status quo with all the services that

3:09:03 ↗ were restored and enhanced

3:09:04 ↗ I'd like to just add one thing to to

3:09:07 ↗ your presentation Robert if Ben May

3:09:09 ↗ which is today we're really about

3:09:12 ↗ um this is our Retreats Our Moment to

3:09:14 ↗ take that step back the Stephanie

3:09:15 ↗ council president Hall said

3:09:17 ↗ um we're not intending to get in the

3:09:18 ↗ weeds with you

3:09:19 ↗ so you're not going to see big

3:09:21 ↗ complicated charts and Graphics about

3:09:23 ↗ our finances we have time to to discuss

3:09:27 ↗ those things but we want to talk about

3:09:28 ↗ is setting the pace for the rest of the

3:09:30 ↗ year and the focus for the rest of the

3:09:32 ↗ year so um Our intention is to not dive

3:09:35 ↗ into the Super details so I just wanted

3:09:37 ↗ you to know what to expect as we move

3:09:39 ↗ ahead in this conversation

3:09:42 ↗ so

3:09:43 ↗ um appreciate the general fund for

3:09:45 ↗ Revenue Outlook of these you know

3:09:47 ↗ possibility for a recession that could

3:09:49 ↗ do for general fund balance their first

3:09:52 ↗ bullet point there says concerns that

3:09:54 ↗ current revenues are not enough to cover

3:09:55 ↗ facilities Capital cost so then is that

3:10:01 ↗ seems to make an assumption that our

3:10:03 ↗ facilities Capital costs would have to

3:10:05 ↗ come from the general fund and that we

3:10:07 ↗ have some sense of what our facilities

3:10:09 ↗ Capital cost would be

3:10:15 ↗ then can I just cross out that first

3:10:20 ↗ concerns

3:10:22 ↗ without Revenue but

3:10:24 ↗ yeah that's why the first word is

3:10:26 ↗ concerned we do have concerns but we do

3:10:29 ↗ have concerns and you know yeah we our

3:10:32 ↗ intent we need to do a lot more to

3:10:34 ↗ develop what what our facility needs

3:10:36 ↗ what are those costs going to be we need

3:10:39 ↗ to have a lot of those conversations

3:10:40 ↗ with you and with members of the public

3:10:42 ↗ because there's some decisions

3:10:44 ↗ coincident that drive the costs right so

3:10:47 ↗ um unless are there questions on this

3:10:49 ↗ bike because then we can move on and

3:10:50 ↗ talk about that okay

3:10:52 ↗ just a couple quick questions Robert

3:10:54 ↗ thanks for the presentation and the

3:10:55 ↗ information

3:10:57 ↗ can you tell me whether or not an

3:10:58 ↗ 18-month recession would be linear in

3:11:00 ↗ terms of if it were only a year long it

3:11:03 ↗ would be about you know seven million

3:11:05 ↗ dollars or is there

3:11:07 ↗ front costs that we need to think about

3:11:09 ↗ yeah that's that's exactly right it just

3:11:12 ↗ depends on the impact of recession so

3:11:13 ↗ we're taking an average year okay an

3:11:15 ↗ average being about 18 months for

3:11:17 ↗ typical recession but of course that

3:11:19 ↗ impact is going to be multiple years so

3:11:21 ↗ yes that number would be reduced if the

3:11:24 ↗ length is reduced but again if the

3:11:25 ↗ length is large and larger than that

3:11:27 ↗ then it would go so yes one of the other

3:11:29 ↗ critical piece of this is the 18 months

3:11:33 ↗ that the economists say is the recession

3:11:35 ↗ is not our 18th right that we have an

3:11:39 ↗ echo sure so if things start getting bad

3:11:42 ↗ tomorrow there we won't see it in our

3:11:45 ↗ revenues for months okay and if things

3:11:47 ↗ get better we won't see it in our

3:11:49 ↗ revenue for months so there is every

3:11:51 ↗ recession that I have worked in in the

3:11:53 ↗ municipal government there's always an

3:11:55 ↗ echo it's usually three four months

3:11:58 ↗ before you start seeing the impacts from

3:11:59 ↗ the rest of the world's talking about it

3:12:01 ↗ there's usually three four months after

3:12:02 ↗ people are saying things are better

3:12:04 ↗ before you see it and then given fiscal

3:12:06 ↗ years this could be three fiscal years

3:12:09 ↗ uh depending on how the it's the

3:12:11 ↗ sequence before you get on okay that's

3:12:14 ↗ great and Robert you talked about the

3:12:16 ↗ recession

3:12:18 ↗ um uh you know impacting us

3:12:21 ↗ uh you also mentioned that you threw out

3:12:24 ↗ covid

3:12:25 ↗ um could you in the future just get us

3:12:28 ↗ the number that we think we lost in in

3:12:30 ↗ the Kobe year just just for our yes

3:12:33 ↗ absolutely information so we can just

3:12:35 ↗ have that and that said we're going to

3:12:37 ↗ have another code year but it's just to

3:12:38 ↗ know uh the magnitude of an impact you

3:12:41 ↗ mean at the bottom of public because

3:12:42 ↗ again it did rebound during the year of

3:12:44 ↗ 2015. well I think that

3:12:46 ↗ yeah if you maybe just a snapshot of

3:12:49 ↗ during those coming years this is what

3:12:51 ↗ we we lost just to inform us okay okay

3:12:53 ↗ thank you

3:12:54 ↗ something quick oh so doesn't this also

3:12:58 ↗ assume uh so when colon came along we do

3:13:00 ↗ pretty fast action to reduce uh staff

3:13:04 ↗ and expenditures and so forth so this

3:13:06 ↗ scenario

3:13:07 ↗ is also assuming that we don't take

3:13:10 ↗ those actions right this is status quo

3:13:15 ↗ right and just a side note to this

3:13:17 ↗ number again because this refresher that

3:13:19 ↗ sales taxes are number one Revenue

3:13:21 ↗ sources so like well it's a Wally's

3:13:22 ↗ Point there's always a lag between

3:13:24 ↗ consumer Behavior and the actual

3:13:26 ↗ downturn because it doesn't impact

3:13:28 ↗ anybody until six months after right

3:13:30 ↗ there's also Regional implications you

3:13:31 ↗ can have a regional recession you think

3:13:33 ↗ the Microsoft out there into Amazon

3:13:35 ↗ where if something happens and Puget

3:13:37 ↗ Sound that might not happen Nationwide

3:13:38 ↗ so we're just kind of factoring in what

3:13:40 ↗ it what an average of it could be

3:13:42 ↗ Regional could be National but that's

3:13:43 ↗ just yeah great

3:13:45 ↗ thank you

3:13:49 ↗ so

3:13:54 ↗ um we talked about concerns uh with

3:13:57 ↗ being able to fund our infrastructure

3:14:00 ↗ needs uh was something that we talked

3:14:02 ↗ about extensively with the task force

3:14:04 ↗ and coming through today is our

3:14:07 ↗ Administration proposal of how to handle

3:14:09 ↗ that

3:14:10 ↗ um so we would like to explore this year

3:14:13 ↗ a public safety ballot measure that

3:14:15 ↗ again focuses on Public Safety I

3:14:17 ↗ outlined it at the beginning or earlier

3:14:19 ↗ today

3:14:20 ↗ um when I talked about Municipal Court

3:14:23 ↗ um the fire station the new fire station

3:14:25 ↗ we need to build and also uh needs of

3:14:29 ↗ ipd it's called Police Department

3:14:32 ↗ um there may be other needs we need to

3:14:34 ↗ have time to explore that and that's

3:14:36 ↗ what we're really proposing to do is

3:14:37 ↗ explore that with you learn more about

3:14:39 ↗ it this year and uh and examine the

3:14:44 ↗ possibility

3:14:46 ↗ have concerns that we don't have the

3:14:48 ↗ revenues that are required to pay for

3:14:50 ↗ these type of infrastructure and we

3:14:52 ↗ think we will need to go out to the

3:14:53 ↗ voters to pay for it second and I will

3:14:57 ↗ get to you when I'm done with this live

3:14:58 ↗ thank you councilmember a second uh in

3:15:00 ↗ the future so we saw on the task force

3:15:02 ↗ they had medium term and long term in

3:15:04 ↗ their recommendations so we're talking

3:15:06 ↗ medium term in the future it's still

3:15:08 ↗ that Transportation uh addressing

3:15:11 ↗ transportation and uh whether that's a

3:15:13 ↗ TBD for the sales tax vehicle license

3:15:16 ↗ fees there's other mechanisms that we

3:15:18 ↗ can use we need to Define

3:15:20 ↗ um

3:15:21 ↗ I have a better definition of what our

3:15:23 ↗ transportation needs are uh and then

3:15:25 ↗ what types of

3:15:27 ↗ um

3:15:28 ↗ of revenues do we need in order to meet

3:15:31 ↗ those Transportation needs and then

3:15:33 ↗ finally again as the task force

3:15:35 ↗ recommended a parks and trails and still

3:15:38 ↗ proposing a Parks District to fund those

3:15:40 ↗ but what we're talking about today is

3:15:43 ↗ first looking at this public safety

3:15:47 ↗ um as it relates to especially the

3:15:50 ↗ facilities that we know we need to build

3:15:51 ↗ and that's what we're proposing for you

3:15:54 ↗ today and for our Focus to explore with

3:15:56 ↗ you more throughout the rest of the year

3:15:58 ↗ councilman marks so when you say 2023

3:16:00 ↗ the public safety valve measure do you

3:16:02 ↗ mean getting a ballot in front of the

3:16:05 ↗ voters in 2023 or do you mean spending

3:16:08 ↗ 2023 to figuring out a public safety

3:16:10 ↗ development I think we're working

3:16:12 ↗ towards that in November we may not need

3:16:14 ↗ that because there's a whole process we

3:16:15 ↗ need to follow you're very familiar with

3:16:18 ↗ this process and yeah which also

3:16:21 ↗ includes

3:16:23 ↗ include one equipment out because of

3:16:24 ↗ course the muni election uh is different

3:16:27 ↗ than uh Federal civilization yes yes so

3:16:30 ↗ there's a lot that we would need to do

3:16:32 ↗ to prepare for a November ballot I think

3:16:35 ↗ we're very aware of that but um that's

3:16:37 ↗ something that we are considering

3:16:39 ↗ there's a lot of conversations we need

3:16:41 ↗ to have before we get to that point but

3:16:43 ↗ we really we think this is very

3:16:45 ↗ important we think that we have some

3:16:46 ↗ urgent needs that we need to meet and

3:16:48 ↗ then the spirit of council trying to get

3:16:50 ↗ things done that's that's something that

3:16:52 ↗ we're trying to set ourselves up to do

3:16:54 ↗ infection

3:16:57 ↗ yes just uh asked that we examine our uh

3:17:03 ↗ other cities close to us Redmond they

3:17:06 ↗ had a public safety ballot out there and

3:17:08 ↗ it I don't think it went through and so

3:17:12 ↗ if we could just look to our neighbors

3:17:13 ↗ to find out what they might have done

3:17:15 ↗ wrong et cetera et cetera and how we can

3:17:17 ↗ improve upon that and also I've Heards

3:17:19 ↗ that we'd be very specific about the

3:17:21 ↗ projects with the the deliverables that

3:17:23 ↗ we're going to give our citizens if we

3:17:25 ↗ do put a ballot measure out there and we

3:17:27 ↗ can report that we got those things done

3:17:29 ↗ in your four your five or whatever it

3:17:31 ↗ might be out there yeah thank you

3:17:33 ↗ council member and and the next slide

3:17:35 ↗ talks about a little bit more about what

3:17:37 ↗ those Public Safety needs are though any

3:17:39 ↗ package we would need our work to Define

3:17:41 ↗ of course absolutely but I assume we

3:17:43 ↗ have a few more questions

3:17:45 ↗ oh

3:17:46 ↗ um in that same line I as I understand

3:17:48 ↗ it the counties could be running the um

3:17:51 ↗ crisis response centers of ballot in and

3:17:56 ↗ they're aiming for April

3:17:58 ↗ um so just you know I guess my big my

3:18:01 ↗ big question

3:18:02 ↗ setting aside specific other ballot

3:18:06 ↗ measures would be what is the context of

3:18:08 ↗ of

3:18:10 ↗ uh our taxing Authority in relation to

3:18:13 ↗ King County in relation to the school

3:18:14 ↗ district in relation to other Cactus

3:18:17 ↗ authorities you know where to be fit and

3:18:18 ↗ how does that how does that all work out

3:18:21 ↗ great and we should note that as a as a

3:18:23 ↗ question we need to answer for another

3:18:24 ↗ another meeting because that

3:18:26 ↗ there's some great graphics we have and

3:18:28 ↗ we can share that will make it all this

3:18:29 ↗ much clearer than if we tried to answer

3:18:31 ↗ that orally right now yeah can you make

3:18:34 ↗ clear for folks who don't understand the

3:18:35 ↗ context of that question what that means

3:18:37 ↗ that the Caps that are involved in the

3:18:39 ↗ fact that we're subordinate for a

3:18:40 ↗ potential subordinate funding to some of

3:18:42 ↗ those other I'm not sure all seven of us

3:18:44 ↗ understand the context but yes and it's

3:18:47 ↗ been a while since I did the uh task

3:18:49 ↗ force uh one on the soap Robert can you

3:18:51 ↗ come up and just help provide a quick

3:18:53 ↗ summary of our taxing Authority in

3:18:55 ↗ relation to others

3:18:57 ↗ yeah so we're just under you take

3:19:02 ↗ say you take one dollar of funding right

3:19:05 ↗ about nine cents of that one dollar

3:19:06 ↗ you're paying taxes just under that

3:19:08 ↗ right now so we do have plenty of

3:19:10 ↗ authority as far as what the voter we

3:19:12 ↗ have capacity to go to the voters yes

3:19:14 ↗ there is some of the the county

3:19:16 ↗ Authority but we still have enough

3:19:18 ↗ capacity regardless of what the county

3:19:20 ↗ does at this point okay okay I thought

3:19:22 ↗ there's a net total dollar value and

3:19:24 ↗ there were what was over two dollars

3:19:26 ↗ right now so we're all under that

3:19:27 ↗ foreign

3:19:33 ↗ and we can go into a lot more detail

3:19:35 ↗ about that it was time to make it

3:19:41 ↗ um so two things one I don't see

3:19:44 ↗ councilman

3:19:45 ↗ funds on here and I think that is a

3:19:50 ↗ super important funding opportunity that

3:19:53 ↗ we have not taken up that we should

3:19:55 ↗ absolutely be considering and I'd like

3:19:57 ↗ to know the scope of what's possible

3:20:00 ↗ there so that we can best utilize that I

3:20:04 ↗ don't want to leave something on the

3:20:05 ↗ table especially before going to voters

3:20:09 ↗ um I think there's a little difference

3:20:10 ↗ between going to voters with a public

3:20:13 ↗ safety ballot measure and one for a

3:20:15 ↗ sales tax

3:20:17 ↗ but I think before we look at going to

3:20:20 ↗ voters for sales tax we really need to

3:20:22 ↗ evaluate our Council management and then

3:20:25 ↗ um the other piece in there I know a lot

3:20:27 ↗ of our capital

3:20:29 ↗ budgeting comes from Reit and so I'd

3:20:33 ↗ like to get a better understanding of

3:20:35 ↗ what our Reit forecasts are considering

3:20:39 ↗ what the

3:20:41 ↗ interest rates are right now and what we

3:20:45 ↗ see for that going forward

3:20:48 ↗ um if we think there are any big

3:20:49 ↗ projects that might not happen as a

3:20:52 ↗ result of that

3:20:53 ↗ that would be useful for me thanks thank

3:20:56 ↗ you you can answer that really fast

3:20:57 ↗ we're monitoring degrees is

3:21:01 ↗ what we're seeing though is that we did

3:21:04 ↗ hit our forecast we're seeing fewer

3:21:07 ↗ transactions than we did this time a

3:21:08 ↗ year ago that have a higher sales

3:21:11 ↗ so then the question is what is this

3:21:13 ↗ you're going to look like

3:21:16 ↗ I'd also like to know just you know

3:21:19 ↗ related to some of our stuff comes in on

3:21:21 ↗ the big purchases others regular so

3:21:23 ↗ getting a sense of what the trends are

3:21:25 ↗ there yeah

3:21:27 ↗ and Andrea how many slides there are a

3:21:30 ↗ lot of questions

3:21:38 ↗ um I think it's really quick but I know

3:21:40 ↗ we talked about councilman and tons of

3:21:42 ↗ bonding Authority but the question we

3:21:45 ↗ haven't answered is the more difficult

3:21:47 ↗ one is what is our capacity for Debt

3:21:49 ↗ Service yes and so that those kind of go

3:21:51 ↗ like Channel together yeah when is what

3:21:55 ↗ can you afford to do the councilman

3:21:57 ↗ Authority what is what would you do with

3:21:58 ↗ new Revenue

3:21:59 ↗ exactly yeah how would we pay for those

3:22:03 ↗ problems right yep yep great yep all of

3:22:07 ↗ those you know I know people are taking

3:22:08 ↗ lots of notes things that we need to

3:22:10 ↗ address as we continue to explore this

3:22:12 ↗ topic okay

3:22:14 ↗ um then next slide let's talk about some

3:22:18 ↗ of the public safety needs that we've

3:22:19 ↗ identified so far and so

3:22:22 ↗ um we've talked about a new fire station

3:22:24 ↗ in North Issaquah before that Council

3:22:27 ↗ there's been presentations it has been a

3:22:29 ↗ while but it is something that we have

3:22:31 ↗ identified a need for a station

3:22:34 ↗ um I say North Issaquah north of 90

3:22:36 ↗ looking we've been looking along the

3:22:37 ↗ East Lake exam Corridor

3:22:40 ↗ we have not talked a lot recently about

3:22:44 ↗ the needs in municipal court and that's

3:22:46 ↗ something that I would love to talk more

3:22:48 ↗ about our courts as you know was never

3:22:51 ↗ designed to be a court building it was

3:22:53 ↗ an old fire station and

3:22:56 ↗ um we are getting many more cases

3:22:59 ↗ because we cover not just Issaquah but

3:23:01 ↗ North Bend Snoqualmie Etc that's been a

3:23:03 ↗ great partnership for us we're getting a

3:23:05 ↗ lot more cases the security in that

3:23:08 ↗ building isn't great the conditions for

3:23:10 ↗ uh defendants the conditions for the

3:23:13 ↗ prosecutor and the judge are all we have

3:23:15 ↗ safety concerns with that um and her

3:23:18 ↗ vision of Justice concerns and making

3:23:20 ↗ sure that we're we're doing our role

3:23:21 ↗ there so we can talk more in detail

3:23:23 ↗ about that but municipal court has some

3:23:25 ↗ significant needs

3:23:27 ↗ um and I I look forward the opportunity

3:23:28 ↗ uh to discuss this more uh and police so

3:23:32 ↗ we

3:23:34 ↗ um originally as many of you know had

3:23:36 ↗ City Hall build knowing that it's

3:23:38 ↗ someday it would be a police station and

3:23:40 ↗ so the police have also been extremely

3:23:44 ↗ creative in how they use their space and

3:23:46 ↗ they have really maximized their space

3:23:48 ↗ we've even had on some of them move

3:23:50 ↗ upstairs recently onto the second floor

3:23:52 ↗ where the rest of the city hall offices

3:23:53 ↗ are

3:23:54 ↗ um so

3:23:56 ↗ um so we're being extremely creative but

3:23:58 ↗ at some point uh we do need to expand

3:24:00 ↗ and I think we'll probably pass that

3:24:02 ↗ point and so again we need to have more

3:24:04 ↗ of these conversations with you and

3:24:06 ↗ provide more information and data but it

3:24:08 ↗ is a need that we've identified that we

3:24:10 ↗ look forward to talking to you

3:24:12 ↗ um more about as in the next couple of

3:24:14 ↗ months

3:24:16 ↗ Council Lady Michelle so just really

3:24:18 ↗ quickly so it's a properties that

3:24:19 ↗ includes the point that we've been

3:24:21 ↗ complete uh fleet Fleet space yes but

3:24:25 ↗ even just facing offices yeah yeah and

3:24:28 ↗ and you know we have I mentioned earlier

3:24:31 ↗ we have our Human Services team that

3:24:32 ↗ works really hand in hand with the

3:24:34 ↗ police they're not able to be co-located

3:24:36 ↗ during another building so there's

3:24:38 ↗ there's things that

3:24:40 ↗ um were we will discuss more in terms of

3:24:42 ↗ what the needs are for police but I'm

3:24:44 ↗ proving to you these are some of the

3:24:45 ↗ things we've identified initially as

3:24:47 ↗ some significant energy facility

3:24:57 ↗ but uh

3:25:00 ↗ so would

3:25:01 ↗ enhancing the police capacity being that

3:25:06 ↗ we would also need to find an

3:25:07 ↗ administrative

3:25:08 ↗ facility

3:25:10 ↗ yes

3:25:13 ↗ it's a great question so what we've

3:25:16 ↗ really I really miss having my own

3:25:17 ↗ bathrooms

3:25:22 ↗ wasn't real so for those who are unaware

3:25:26 ↗ our city hall building in Downtown

3:25:28 ↗ Issaquah has on the bottom floors the

3:25:32 ↗ police operations jail Etc then we have

3:25:35 ↗ our permit Center which is occupying an

3:25:37 ↗ old training room of the police

3:25:38 ↗ department so we've kicks them out of

3:25:40 ↗ that space and then um upstairs we have

3:25:43 ↗ some offices for our police detectives

3:25:46 ↗ and some police staff but also Finance

3:25:49 ↗ Community Planning and Development

3:25:51 ↗ um

3:25:53 ↗ most of the rest of the city hall that

3:25:55 ↗ isn't parks for public works yeah and so

3:25:57 ↗ we're telling that is actually people

3:25:59 ↗ who used to work at Northwest yes

3:26:01 ↗ they're being very creative with our

3:26:02 ↗ space and working from home and all of

3:26:04 ↗ that which has been a good experience

3:26:05 ↗ for us to take those Lessons Learned in

3:26:07 ↗ terms of what we need in the future but

3:26:09 ↗ really what's driving these facility

3:26:11 ↗ needs are Public Safety needs and state

3:26:13 ↗ public safety facility needs

3:26:16 ↗ um because the second floor of City Hall

3:26:18 ↗ these other operations Finance you know

3:26:20 ↗ mayor's office Community Planning and

3:26:22 ↗ Development clerks Etc

3:26:24 ↗ um we could probably uh live within that

3:26:27 ↗ space for a while moving forward but the

3:26:30 ↗ police have significant needs municipal

3:26:32 ↗ court has significant they're the ones

3:26:34 ↗ who can't wait and so we need to we need

3:26:36 ↗ to plan for them and provide for them

3:26:38 ↗ and that may meet they mean that the

3:26:42 ↗ rest of us need to move out of that

3:26:43 ↗ space so that police can get the space

3:26:45 ↗ they need and the others can get the

3:26:46 ↗ space they need and so that's that's a

3:26:48 ↗ conversation that we will absolutely

3:26:50 ↗ have in the next couple of months study

3:26:52 ↗ that's underway right now is to really

3:26:53 ↗ understand given our work from home

3:26:55 ↗ environment given the new application of

3:26:57 ↗ of technology and our practices that

3:27:00 ↗ we've been doing to really maximize

3:27:01 ↗ space and use it efficiently still what

3:27:04 ↗ I just need to learn our options

3:27:08 ↗ um uh we also know so we talked about

3:27:10 ↗ facilities quite a bit but we also know

3:27:12 ↗ that there's some operational needs in

3:27:14 ↗ public safety right so we know for

3:27:16 ↗ example this is just for example the

3:27:18 ↗ East Side Fire and Rescue we contribute

3:27:20 ↗ 8.5 million annually that's likely going

3:27:23 ↗ to increase over time and so that's

3:27:25 ↗ something also that that's a significant

3:27:27 ↗ portion of our general fund budget that

3:27:28 ↗ we're keeping an eye on and know that

3:27:30 ↗ there's some operational needs and I

3:27:32 ↗ mentioned imagine you said fire a rescue

3:27:34 ↗ as just an example of one of those

3:27:36 ↗ things because obviously that's a big

3:27:37 ↗ ticket item and you I think we have to

3:27:40 ↗ talk about police briefly right and that

3:27:42 ↗ is that we recognize there are

3:27:44 ↗ additional police operational needs and

3:27:46 ↗ the department was decimated we are

3:27:49 ↗ nearly fully staffed once again

3:27:51 ↗ um we we I think looked at the

3:27:54 ↗ Behavioral Health Specialists and the

3:27:56 ↗ work that they're doing I think we are

3:27:58 ↗ we do feel at this point we need to put

3:28:01 ↗ additional resources there we probably

3:28:03 ↗ need to look at other policing issues uh

3:28:06 ↗ traffic

3:28:08 ↗ um Community Service Officer all those

3:28:10 ↗ specialty things that we have largely

3:28:12 ↗ not had the last few years uh need to

3:28:14 ↗ come back in some way shape or form

3:28:16 ↗ police vehicle costs

3:28:18 ↗ um so there's more there's more here if

3:28:21 ↗ we were to move down the road of a levy

3:28:23 ↗ lift for Public Safety we have the

3:28:25 ↗ ability to fund operations as well as

3:28:27 ↗ capital and so as we talk about this

3:28:30 ↗ further with the city council and we

3:28:32 ↗ will look at both the operation side and

3:28:34 ↗ the capital but capital is really

3:28:36 ↗ driving this I mean doing it sooner than

3:28:39 ↗ later is a capital driven issue versus

3:28:42 ↗ really an operational technician that

3:28:44 ↗ doesn't mean operations are important so

3:28:46 ↗ that's where we're at

3:28:50 ↗ 30 minutes okay

3:28:53 ↗ next slide please

3:28:56 ↗ so uh so we talked a little bit about

3:28:59 ↗ our space planning project we're

3:29:01 ↗ underway

3:29:02 ↗ um with that right now that's something

3:29:03 ↗ that administrative Services director

3:29:05 ↗ Automotive is leading for us we're doing

3:29:07 ↗ this needs assessment in terms of what

3:29:10 ↗ do we need now what do we need in the

3:29:11 ↗ future as I said before the the good

3:29:13 ↗ thing here is that physical has been

3:29:15 ↗ exceptionally Innovative when it comes

3:29:17 ↗ to how we use these so we have shared

3:29:19 ↗ desks shared workspaces we've been very

3:29:22 ↗ efficient about this since the last time

3:29:24 ↗ we explored this topic um which was

3:29:25 ↗ right before the pandemic we had a

3:29:27 ↗ conversation with Council about space

3:29:28 ↗ needs so we're updating that we're

3:29:30 ↗ looking at what what do we need that's

3:29:32 ↗ something that's coming before you at

3:29:33 ↗ the committee of the whole in March to

3:29:35 ↗ discuss further what have we found so

3:29:37 ↗ far there's in fact a community survey

3:29:39 ↗ that went out I think last night this

3:29:42 ↗ morning

3:29:43 ↗ um so plug that please respond to the

3:29:45 ↗ community survey in terms of what you're

3:29:46 ↗ looking for in future city hall or other

3:29:49 ↗ facilities and then

3:29:52 ↗ um so we're going to be looking at that

3:29:54 ↗ March Committee of the whole meeting

3:29:57 ↗ um what are our options moving forward

3:29:59 ↗ for our facilities and really examining

3:30:01 ↗ that so looking at the data what are our

3:30:03 ↗ options and then how how do we how do we

3:30:06 ↗ solve this problem

3:30:08 ↗ um so we have a couple of Committee of

3:30:10 ↗ the halls and other Council meetings

3:30:11 ↗ lined up to do that

3:30:12 ↗ next slide please

3:30:15 ↗ great so one of the things that I wanted

3:30:17 ↗ to address is that uh the Community

3:30:21 ↗ Capital Finance task force said that

3:30:24 ↗ transportation is the number one

3:30:25 ↗ priority and we should be doing

3:30:26 ↗ translation first before anything and I

3:30:29 ↗ want to make sure to state that we are

3:30:31 ↗ doing things on transportation we are

3:30:32 ↗ doing things on Mobility that near-term

3:30:35 ↗ suggestion from uh the task force that

3:30:38 ↗ we look at are the funds that we look at

3:30:39 ↗ ending fund balance to fund additional

3:30:41 ↗ Transportation infrastructure we're

3:30:43 ↗ doing it um and

3:30:45 ↗ um we are likely going to come back and

3:30:47 ↗ have more conversations with you about

3:30:49 ↗ what the Public Works team needs to be

3:30:52 ↗ able to

3:30:53 ↗ um to move forward on some of those

3:30:55 ↗ Transportation priorities that we have

3:30:58 ↗ and that's a conversation coming up

3:30:59 ↗ because I think we're still running into

3:31:00 ↗ issues over staff capacity about how

3:31:03 ↗ much we can really do and deliver

3:31:05 ↗ um projects for for the community so

3:31:07 ↗ that's a conversation that's coming up

3:31:09 ↗ um

3:31:10 ↗ and the task force recommended that a

3:31:13 ↗ transportation ballot measure for

3:31:15 ↗ additional revenues would have to be

3:31:18 ↗ bold and Visionary and and really

3:31:20 ↗ impactful in the community and our

3:31:23 ↗ concern as we look at the projects that

3:31:25 ↗ we have right now that are ready

3:31:27 ↗ um they're not they don't meet that

3:31:29 ↗ criteria they're not really bold and

3:31:31 ↗ Visionary and we know that sound trans

3:31:33 ↗ is coming Light Rail station is coming

3:31:35 ↗ we're doing that I-90 Crossing study

3:31:38 ↗ with the Light Rail station planning

3:31:42 ↗ study that's being done this year with

3:31:43 ↗ ARCA funds and so we know that we're

3:31:46 ↗ probably going to have some Financial

3:31:47 ↗ Obligations when it comes to supporting

3:31:49 ↗ the Light Rail station and the I 90

3:31:52 ↗ Crossing and we think that's gold and

3:31:55 ↗ Visionary and we're just not ready to go

3:31:57 ↗ to the voters for and so

3:32:00 ↗ um we're not talking about doing a

3:32:01 ↗ transportation ballot measure this year

3:32:03 ↗ probably not next year because we're

3:32:06 ↗ concerned that we don't quite have the

3:32:07 ↗ projects yet but the timing isn't

3:32:10 ↗ exactly right to go to the voters for

3:32:12 ↗ this but we're still working on

3:32:13 ↗ Transportation we're still doing new

3:32:16 ↗ projects more projects that we've done

3:32:17 ↗ before on Transportation but not yet

3:32:20 ↗ going to the voters for something big

3:32:21 ↗ old Visionary because frankly we don't

3:32:24 ↗ think the timing's right we're not ready

3:32:27 ↗ um I think who was the governor's okay

3:32:29 ↗ so the risk of stating the obvious we

3:32:31 ↗ can't wait 20 years right

3:32:35 ↗ um had that new overcross

3:32:37 ↗ do it not wait 20 years figure out how

3:32:40 ↗ we can do it such that we uh make it

3:32:43 ↗ compatible future and Report compatible

3:32:45 ↗ with a light rail something right you

3:32:48 ↗ got to figure out something it can't

3:32:49 ↗ just be we don't have anything so we're

3:32:51 ↗ not going to do anything

3:32:55 ↗ so I appreciate the idea of planning to

3:32:57 ↗ do a transportation Levy and you know

3:33:01 ↗ Bond measure or whatever until we have

3:33:04 ↗ appropriate projects the only thing that

3:33:07 ↗ I would ask is that we look at our

3:33:09 ↗ neighboring communities that have done

3:33:12 ↗ this for example Bellevue did a

3:33:15 ↗ neighborhood safety connectivity and

3:33:17 ↗ congestion Levy

3:33:19 ↗ um and so I wonder if there is a way to

3:33:22 ↗ create a set of projects around that

3:33:26 ↗ that gives us an opportunity to move our

3:33:30 ↗ neighborhoods forward and have the focus

3:33:33 ↗ be in that area so I just ask that we

3:33:36 ↗ consider that not necessarily ahead of a

3:33:40 ↗ public safety but just as a way to frame

3:33:43 ↗ that and kind of choose projects in a

3:33:46 ↗ way that we've seen are successful with

3:33:49 ↗ other cities

3:33:51 ↗ I mean the reality is is that you're

3:33:53 ↗ marketing today on a capital planning

3:33:55 ↗ process but at the end of which you will

3:33:57 ↗ have a whole bunch of projects and many

3:33:59 ↗ of them will not be able to be funded I

3:34:01 ↗ think the administration's view is let's

3:34:03 ↗ get to that point and then we can look

3:34:05 ↗ at packaging

3:34:06 ↗ um so this is not a 20-year thing this

3:34:08 ↗ is the 12 month thing get through the

3:34:10 ↗ process so when we come together next

3:34:12 ↗ year at this meeting I think we'll be in

3:34:14 ↗ much better shape does that mean we'll

3:34:17 ↗ do it in 24 or 25 I don't know but it's

3:34:21 ↗ not 10 years it's you know two years

3:34:24 ↗ three years but it's it's having that

3:34:26 ↗ collection of projects so if we wanted

3:34:29 ↗ to have a neighborhood you know whatever

3:34:31 ↗ the Bell do you want

3:34:32 ↗ you know Christmas tree where you've got

3:34:34 ↗ something for every one of our 15

3:34:37 ↗ neighborhoods that's something that's a

3:34:39 ↗ pretty standard approach for cities to

3:34:41 ↗ do that there's also the street Levy

3:34:43 ↗ preservation

3:34:45 ↗ in Kirkland so several of them have done

3:34:48 ↗ something and hundreds of communities

3:34:50 ↗ around America I mean it's it's a it's

3:34:52 ↗ an easy page out of a Playbook

3:34:55 ↗ um to do I mean unless you have you're

3:34:57 ↗ going to build a new community center

3:34:58 ↗ you're going to build a new pool you're

3:35:00 ↗ going to build a regional park I mean

3:35:01 ↗ that's how you do it you have to package

3:35:03 ↗ it up

3:35:04 ↗ um the administration's saying today

3:35:06 ↗ everything we've talked about up until

3:35:08 ↗ now is leading to that but we first need

3:35:11 ↗ to have projects that we understand that

3:35:13 ↗ we have better we've worked with the

3:35:15 ↗ community on and them and that's the

3:35:17 ↗ beauty of working with Community is that

3:35:19 ↗ by going every boarding commission we're

3:35:21 ↗ going to be gaining additional community

3:35:22 ↗ support for these projects so when we

3:35:25 ↗ get to the end of the process

3:35:27 ↗ people will be really excited say okay

3:35:29 ↗ now how do we make this happen well

3:35:30 ↗ let's talk about

3:35:33 ↗ yes but what you've got to get

3:35:35 ↗ I mean what we described today six

3:35:36 ↗ months we've got to at least get through

3:35:38 ↗ the six months right before we do that

3:35:40 ↗ we're the public safety stuff we believe

3:35:42 ↗ can travel somewhat on a separate path

3:35:44 ↗ if that makes sense

3:35:47 ↗ I hear you I'm excited to hear that

3:35:49 ↗ conversation I'm just worried because in

3:35:52 ↗ you know the five or eight years that

3:35:55 ↗ we've been talking about doing something

3:35:56 ↗ to really move the needle on

3:35:58 ↗ Transportation I feel like the only big

3:36:00 ↗ ticket thing we've talked about is the

3:36:01 ↗ 10th Avenue

3:36:02 ↗ right so if there's other there's other

3:36:04 ↗ game changers out there I'm excited to

3:36:06 ↗ hear what those might be turn around

3:36:10 ↗ look at that group that's your game

3:36:12 ↗ changer

3:36:14 ↗ the five six people we see it it's

3:36:16 ↗ actually Game Changer the game changer

3:36:18 ↗ is a public works director who lives and

3:36:20 ↗ breeds with Dana who's looking at other

3:36:23 ↗ communities looking at the workload of

3:36:24 ↗ our engineers and not simply saying gee

3:36:27 ↗ Wally be great basketball Engineers

3:36:28 ↗ she's saying here's the workload of

3:36:30 ↗ every engineer for every other community

3:36:32 ↗ surrounding us and here's a workload of

3:36:34 ↗ our engineers

3:36:35 ↗ that my understanding hasn't happened

3:36:37 ↗ before Jeff Watling saying we need a

3:36:40 ↗ park planning team have you did the guy

3:36:42 ↗ accept the job yet uh he's gonna come

3:36:45 ↗ and have a candidate visit okay so if we

3:36:47 ↗ have done a national recruitment for our

3:36:49 ↗ planners and we have on the hook a a

3:36:52 ↗ gentleman from another Community outside

3:36:53 ↗ the state of Washington from a much

3:36:55 ↗ larger city than Issaquah who's excited

3:36:58 ↗ to come here to make all these things

3:37:00 ↗ happen so the difference is what you see

3:37:03 ↗ behind me yeah that's what's different

3:37:05 ↗ from perhaps sometimes

3:37:11 ↗ so I was just gonna answer the Christmas

3:37:13 ↗ tree I was going to also say that we

3:37:16 ↗ have to have a Christmas tree approach

3:37:17 ↗ everybody gets a present

3:37:19 ↗ um it doesn't all have to be vegan bold

3:37:21 ↗ the school district it's like Sod at

3:37:24 ↗ Apollo Elementary playing field you know

3:37:26 ↗ I mean just so people say

3:37:29 ↗ I'm going to vote for this and I get

3:37:31 ↗ this you know and then the big and bold

3:37:34 ↗ is great but it's I think it's more

3:37:37 ↗ important that everybody is invested and

3:37:39 ↗ can see that they're going to get a

3:37:41 ↗ value out of it and the other concept we

3:37:43 ↗ might want to think about is how does

3:37:46 ↗ the especially in transportation how

3:37:48 ↗ does this all Network together so that I

3:37:52 ↗ did this in my neighborhood but I'm also

3:37:54 ↗ going to be able to get here uh using

3:37:57 ↗ this you know this spot will give me oh

3:38:00 ↗ something from my neighborhood and a

3:38:03 ↗ better Mobility to get to somewhere else

3:38:05 ↗ that I want to go so maybe those are the

3:38:08 ↗ things we want to think about as we're

3:38:09 ↗ putting that package together

3:38:12 ↗ thank you we've got about 20 minutes

3:38:16 ↗ we're good so

3:38:19 ↗ um

3:38:20 ↗ so thank you for that uh feedback and

3:38:22 ↗ then really this is foreign

3:38:28 ↗ so I just want to talk about next steps

3:38:30 ↗ so I really only have

3:38:36 ↗ how we leave all these conversations

3:38:37 ↗ together the criteria the CIP updates

3:38:41 ↗ like Public Safety discussions right so

3:38:45 ↗ um we're looking at February doing a

3:38:47 ↗ board Summit of those scoreboards that I

3:38:49 ↗ mentioned to talk about the CIP update

3:38:52 ↗ process and begin talking about those

3:38:54 ↗ criteria and that's a joint meeting so

3:38:57 ↗ we're gonna put all these folks in

3:38:59 ↗ likely a virtual room

3:39:01 ↗ [Music]

3:39:12 ↗ we haven't given up but

3:39:15 ↗ but so we'll have everyone together uh

3:39:18 ↗ they just want to make that point that

3:39:20 ↗ this is a larger event not going to each

3:39:23 ↗ individual

3:39:24 ↗ that will kick off the process February

3:39:27 ↗ 16th is the date the date we're looking

3:39:29 ↗ at

3:39:34 ↗ so then we have uh also in February

3:39:38 ↗ Committee of the whole to finalize that

3:39:40 ↗ goals and outcomes that kicked off this

3:39:41 ↗ morning and then uh March that's when we

3:39:46 ↗ asked for those staff proposals for what

3:39:47 ↗ are these projects

3:39:49 ↗ um there's also going to be some touch

3:39:51 ↗ points of some things about some of

3:39:53 ↗ these infrastructure plans that I

3:39:54 ↗ mentioned before that are still in

3:39:55 ↗ development but in terms of CIP and the

3:39:58 ↗ CIP process step proposals will be

3:40:01 ↗ submitted in March we'll use uh and then

3:40:04 ↗ the boards will finalize those criteria

3:40:05 ↗ so we'll use those criteria to evaluate

3:40:07 ↗ the staff proposals and then

3:40:11 ↗ um in April we have a committee of the

3:40:15 ↗ whole scheduled to talk about public

3:40:17 ↗ safety and Public Safety facility needs

3:40:19 ↗ and go over that information in more

3:40:21 ↗ detail

3:40:22 ↗ um and then also in April the draft CIP

3:40:26 ↗ starts going to the individual boards

3:40:28 ↗ for a discussion in terms of how do we

3:40:31 ↗ apply those criteria

3:40:33 ↗ um did we meet those meet the board's

3:40:35 ↗ expectations or not so that's just the

3:40:37 ↗ first three months I have the next three

3:40:39 ↗ months to talk about but questions on

3:40:41 ↗ the first three months I think

3:40:42 ↗ councilman's had it first Human Services

3:40:45 ↗ Commission

3:40:46 ↗ Human Services Commission is uh not

3:40:50 ↗ um part of what we're suggesting did we

3:40:52 ↗ have we have many boards and commissions

3:40:55 ↗ in the City of Issaquah Human Services

3:40:57 ↗ generally focuses on

3:41:00 ↗ um grants and those resources uh these

3:41:03 ↗ four boards were the ones that we

3:41:04 ↗ thought had the most touches on Capital

3:41:07 ↗ Improvements versus programmatic

3:41:09 ↗ improvements

3:41:10 ↗ okay thank you

3:41:13 ↗ um I'd like to get a sense of what the

3:41:18 ↗ calendar is that you think we can get a

3:41:21 ↗ public safety facility

3:41:24 ↗ um thing on

3:41:25 ↗ a ballot and I wonder whether waiting

3:41:29 ↗ until April to have the committee of the

3:41:31 ↗ whole is to like I just don't know what

3:41:34 ↗ how many touch points and when the

3:41:36 ↗ deadlines are so I'd like to get that

3:41:38 ↗ from you guys sure any any ballot

3:41:41 ↗ language would need to be adopted I

3:41:43 ↗ think by the first meeting in August the

3:41:46 ↗ first council meeting in August the

3:41:47 ↗ deadline to get something on November

3:41:49 ↗ ballot is usually mid or end of August

3:41:51 ↗ and so

3:41:53 ↗ um so we would need to have

3:41:55 ↗ a package and a lot of Outreach in the

3:41:59 ↗ community done before August

3:42:03 ↗ and we think that this is still a pretty

3:42:06 ↗ aggressive uh schedule given where we

3:42:09 ↗ are at this point in time and the

3:42:11 ↗ studies and Analysis that we're

3:42:13 ↗ conducting so I don't know that we could

3:42:15 ↗ move it up a lot farther if we tried

3:42:17 ↗ um because yeah it was more just if that

3:42:21 ↗ point is April then we can't

3:42:23 ↗ can we move at a pace fast enough to hit

3:42:26 ↗ whatever deadlines are for November or

3:42:28 ↗ do we need to adjust our

3:42:31 ↗ you know targeted goal at this point

3:42:35 ↗ yeah I think it's a good question and

3:42:37 ↗ one that we're frankly discussing

3:42:38 ↗ internally as well in terms of what can

3:42:41 ↗ we realistically do and a lot of that's

3:42:43 ↗ going to be shaped by the next two

3:42:44 ↗ months and the conversations we have

3:42:46 ↗ within the next couple of months and

3:42:48 ↗ call it a proposal at this point in time

3:42:50 ↗ so we know we're not going to do this

3:42:52 ↗ and not do it well but let's talk about

3:42:54 ↗ potentially doing it in November and

3:42:56 ↗ we're going to pick an opportunity where

3:42:59 ↗ we know we can get this for free online

3:43:02 ↗ is it possible that the February 6 to

3:43:05 ↗ just kind of have a timeline of what

3:43:07 ↗ those touch points mean there's a lot of

3:43:10 ↗ internal work going on and so I think

3:43:12 ↗ what Andrea has given you is the best we

3:43:13 ↗ know at this point in time I'm not sure

3:43:15 ↗ if we could commit to saving through

3:43:17 ↗ stuff we went earlier without going back

3:43:19 ↗ and having

3:43:20 ↗ yeah I'm just talking about the

3:43:21 ↗ deadlines not necessarily what content

3:43:24 ↗ that's the city there's a decision back

3:43:26 ↗ there yeah

3:43:28 ↗ I mean I think it you're right it's

3:43:30 ↗ approximately obvious it is yeah it's

3:43:32 ↗ yeah it would be the first meeting in

3:43:34 ↗ August by by that time so at that first

3:43:37 ↗ meeting or beforehand Council would need

3:43:39 ↗ to adopt a ballot language that would

3:43:41 ↗ then go to

3:43:42 ↗ the elections office

3:43:44 ↗ um for something on November but you

3:43:47 ↗ know I think there's a lot of work that

3:43:48 ↗ we need to do before we get to that

3:43:50 ↗ point but it but it is a date that we

3:43:51 ↗ have in mind that I'm trying to figure

3:43:53 ↗ out how could we how could we meet that

3:43:55 ↗ date and we think there's a significant

3:43:58 ↗ urgency to it yeah I mean that's the

3:44:00 ↗ thing is that is this going to be

3:44:02 ↗ perfect I mean Adam would have had us

3:44:05 ↗ working on this three years ago if she

3:44:07 ↗ had her druthers um and she's absolutely

3:44:09 ↗ right yeah but I think we're again we've

3:44:12 ↗ talked about balance all day today

3:44:13 ↗ there's going to be a balance of okay

3:44:15 ↗ does this make sense here's how much

3:44:17 ↗ time we have left and here are the

3:44:19 ↗ consequences if we don't do it

3:44:21 ↗ and I think that's going to be the

3:44:22 ↗ issues that the council is going to have

3:44:24 ↗ to talk about over the next several

3:44:25 ↗ months is those varies

3:44:28 ↗ we know it's not we know what perfect is

3:44:30 ↗ and this isn't perfect

3:44:32 ↗ okay

3:44:33 ↗ next slide please thank you

3:44:36 ↗ uh yeah great so then we have um that

3:44:40 ↗ was taking us through April so we have

3:44:41 ↗ may through uh July and August here uh

3:44:46 ↗ so in May boards would finish uh the

3:44:48 ↗ discussion on the CIP provide their

3:44:51 ↗ feedback and then

3:44:53 ↗ um the CIP would then start at the end

3:44:55 ↗ of May going to the council committees

3:44:57 ↗ the various Council committees

3:44:59 ↗ um to look at their sections their

3:45:01 ↗ assigned sections of the CIP then in

3:45:04 ↗ June the Committees finished discussing

3:45:07 ↗ uh their CIP recommendations and they

3:45:09 ↗ come together uh in that Committee of

3:45:12 ↗ the whole to look at the whole documents

3:45:14 ↗ and refer back to the goals and outcomes

3:45:16 ↗ take that step back how are we doing

3:45:19 ↗ um and then we hope to be in a position

3:45:22 ↗ to adopt the cap by the end of June the

3:45:25 ↗ reason why we have the end of June is

3:45:27 ↗ because you may recall that the state

3:45:29 ↗ requires our tip and transportation

3:45:31 ↗ Improvement plans be adopted by July 1st

3:45:33 ↗ and so um if we can't hit that Target

3:45:37 ↗ there's other ways to get around it we

3:45:38 ↗ can talk about that when we get there

3:45:40 ↗ but in terms of milestones and what

3:45:41 ↗ we're trying to to work for

3:45:43 ↗ um we we're hoping to have this whole

3:45:45 ↗ cfp adopted by July 1st and

3:45:48 ↗ um

3:45:49 ↗ and uh then uh we would be in a position

3:45:53 ↗ to continue working towards a potential

3:45:55 ↗ ballot measure in July

3:45:58 ↗ um and August

3:46:00 ↗ so that's really the the first six

3:46:03 ↗ months of the year and we wanted to

3:46:04 ↗ outline what our focus is going to be on

3:46:06 ↗ is the administration

3:46:09 ↗ um and that is all that I have for you

3:46:10 ↗ so are there any questions

3:46:13 ↗ do portable toilets qualify as a capital

3:46:17 ↗ expenditure in a bond measure well you

3:46:21 ↗ know I think it probably depends on the

3:46:23 ↗ type of of uh toilets that we're talking

3:46:26 ↗ about and how much it costs right

3:46:28 ↗ usually there's a threshold in terms of

3:46:30 ↗ dollar amount of how much it costs so I

3:46:32 ↗ think we're going to have to we're gonna

3:46:34 ↗ have to talk about that more of the

3:46:35 ↗ process okay all right I'm just putting

3:46:37 ↗ it out there you just understood you are

3:46:39 ↗ going to be interested

3:46:42 ↗ so from this are you looking I would

3:46:46 ↗ guess for buy-in on this process this

3:46:50 ↗ calendar and the administration not only

3:46:53 ↗ going through the the CIP rethink with

3:46:57 ↗ the boards of commissions and committees

3:46:59 ↗ and Council the whole but also

3:47:02 ↗ pseudos sign off on the idea of pursuing

3:47:05 ↗ a public safety yes I think we're

3:47:09 ↗ looking for if there are wild objections

3:47:11 ↗ by by Council to a focus on Public

3:47:15 ↗ Safety Public Safety facility has been

3:47:17 ↗ we would like to hear them now if you

3:47:19 ↗ tell us you know uh that you have

3:47:22 ↗ significant concerns involved objections

3:47:25 ↗ and you'd rather enough I think we want

3:47:27 ↗ to hear that from you now

3:47:32 ↗ I don't have an objection I think Public

3:47:35 ↗ Safety is a number one on public on the

3:47:39 ↗ Public's mind right now so I keep just

3:47:42 ↗ focusing on that are actually a very

3:47:44 ↗ that's dude

3:47:50 ↗ um I think in the

3:47:52 ↗ kind of information about what's in

3:47:54 ↗ there because we're early in the process

3:47:56 ↗ but I do think focusing also or

3:47:58 ↗ including in the conversations of

3:48:00 ↗ Behavioral Health and public welfare all

3:48:04 ↗ the good work that the new human

3:48:05 ↗ services and people are doing

3:48:08 ↗ co-response I think taking into account

3:48:10 ↗ those pieces is super important for

3:48:15 ↗ moving forward so I think that should be

3:48:18 ↗ there as the conversation

3:48:20 ↗ but it's hard it's great

3:48:22 ↗ so so Capital dollars are not

3:48:24 ↗ operational dollars but I would hope

3:48:27 ↗ that as this conversation goes forward

3:48:28 ↗ and we talk about

3:48:30 ↗ um what it would mean for uh the police

3:48:32 ↗ to have an expanded facility but we

3:48:34 ↗ would also be able to talk about the

3:48:36 ↗ kinds of things that that would enable

3:48:38 ↗ in terms of public uh uh safety

3:48:41 ↗ programs or css capabilities talking

3:48:44 ↗ about capabilities what are we doing

3:48:53 ↗ so the intent absolutely is to be on the

3:48:56 ↗ operations like the police too but don't

3:48:59 ↗ talk about fire

3:49:01 ↗ 8.2 Robert 8.4 million dollars

3:49:05 ↗ sorry

3:49:06 ↗ 8.5 million dollars a year and we just

3:49:09 ↗ write a check

3:49:11 ↗ um and while we have tremendous

3:49:13 ↗ representation on the equal board

3:49:16 ↗ um our colleagues from our sister cities

3:49:19 ↗ who make up the equal border unless

3:49:20 ↗ looking at that bottom line and so I

3:49:24 ↗ hope that there's some way we can grab

3:49:27 ↗ fire into this too because those costs

3:49:31 ↗ continue to go up and you know while we

3:49:33 ↗ are have have to be pretty

3:49:36 ↗ uh conservative in our increases need

3:49:39 ↗ for is a single purpose agency and so

3:49:41 ↗ they're less concerned about that likely

3:49:44 ↗ rightfully so but if that comes back on

3:49:47 ↗ us and so as Hebert continues to grow

3:49:49 ↗ its budget it's going to start eating

3:49:52 ↗ away at our flexibility and if there's a

3:49:54 ↗ way somehow some way to include fire

3:49:57 ↗ costs and that's that'd be great I I

3:50:00 ↗ don't think we figure it out a little

3:50:02 ↗ bit of yet and quite honestly messaging

3:50:04 ↗ with this might just get too murky if we

3:50:07 ↗ try to put too many things on it you

3:50:09 ↗ know a fire station which we know is

3:50:12 ↗ needed we're fairly down far down the

3:50:15 ↗ path of doing that that's a Here and Now

3:50:18 ↗ thing but the operational costs on fire

3:50:21 ↗ we have to at least talk about

3:50:24 ↗ so if I can apply having spent kind of

3:50:28 ↗ the last five years with my e for

3:50:29 ↗ friends I actually think that we should

3:50:31 ↗ start to socialize the idea of

3:50:34 ↗ converting beef from a not-for-profit

3:50:36 ↗ into an RFA a regional Fire Authority

3:50:40 ↗ um and then it becomes its own taxing

3:50:42 ↗ entity and it it simplifies things we

3:50:44 ↗ can still set it up to have the same

3:50:45 ↗ same kind of representation structure

3:50:48 ↗ um but I think until we do that

3:50:51 ↗ um we're never really gonna have an

3:50:52 ↗ equitable approach to the cost of fire

3:50:55 ↗ across all of the interpartners so

3:50:57 ↗ um I you know I'm not we're not ready to

3:50:59 ↗ do it today but it's something I think

3:51:00 ↗ we should consider and start to

3:51:02 ↗ socialize and start working because I

3:51:04 ↗ think it simplifies the model for

3:51:06 ↗ everybody and um and it and it equalizes

3:51:09 ↗ the model it's way more Equitable yeah

3:51:12 ↗ so

3:51:14 ↗ well these guys are going to make that

3:51:16 ↗ happen

3:51:18 ↗ the nicest feeling in the world

3:51:24 ↗ um and to that point I'd like to ask

3:51:26 ↗ Robert and his folks if uh if I can get

3:51:28 ↗ a session to go over uh equal financing

3:51:31 ↗ sort of a past Insurance sort of the way

3:51:33 ↗ I'd like to look at per capacity

3:51:35 ↗ spending and all that kind of stuff and

3:51:36 ↗ get a sense so that as I can get my arms

3:51:38 ↗ around it and start talking again

3:51:44 ↗ so step you sounds like you've got the

3:51:47 ↗ buy-in and

3:51:48 ↗ they go ahead yes thank you we we've

3:51:52 ↗ found a lot of San Andreas thank you and

3:51:54 ↗ the staff but that's here

3:51:56 ↗ um we've spent a lot of time working on

3:51:58 ↗ today because we felt it was important

3:52:01 ↗ to get your buy-in at the ground level

3:52:04 ↗ on all of this uh to be successful

3:52:07 ↗ um if you haven't my senses you haven't

3:52:10 ↗ felt that buy-in with capital planning

3:52:13 ↗ in the past and so we want to change

3:52:15 ↗ that everybody wins

3:52:18 ↗ um we were mindful not to share the

3:52:20 ↗ presentation because we haven't done a

3:52:22 ↗ lot of thought about this and if you

3:52:23 ↗ came out and said something wildly

3:52:25 ↗ different we didn't want we wanted you

3:52:27 ↗ to say something different partner that

3:52:29 ↗ you really didn't but um but we wanted

3:52:32 ↗ to have that flexibility so we will

3:52:33 ↗ continue forward on the planet with

3:52:35 ↗ planning calendar for the Council Office

3:52:37 ↗ started right now

3:52:39 ↗ um so we have sick we have specific

3:52:41 ↗ dates saved for this all through all the

3:52:43 ↗ month of June

3:52:45 ↗ um I know that there's some desire and

3:52:47 ↗ counselors that will talk more broadly

3:52:48 ↗ about at least the next six months as

3:52:50 ↗ well before release today so there's

3:52:52 ↗ still time to do that we're ready to do

3:52:54 ↗ that but yeah but thank you really

3:52:56 ↗ appreciate it and I want to especially

3:52:58 ↗ call out uh council president Deputy

3:53:00 ↗ council president the idea of the you

3:53:03 ↗ know the goals and objective piece like

3:53:06 ↗ 1018 was great

3:53:07 ↗ yeah so that transitions really nicely

3:53:11 ↗ into hey we always have a staff work

3:53:15 ↗ plan and capital projects and

3:53:18 ↗ um all of these work plans that we look

3:53:21 ↗ at it's the beginning of the year so all

3:53:24 ↗ of that was in our packet

3:53:28 ↗ um I don't think there's a specific

3:53:30 ↗ presentation or anything on this that

3:53:33 ↗ was really up to us to look through

3:53:37 ↗ so the first one is the city-wide work

3:53:41 ↗ plan and so that covers you know all of

3:53:46 ↗ our strategic plan goal areas the

3:53:48 ↗ mobility development all of that I

3:53:52 ↗ wanted to say thank you to staff to

3:53:54 ↗ adding in the city council touchpoint

3:53:57 ↗ column I thought that was really useful

3:54:00 ↗ in me being able to say okay

3:54:02 ↗ when that's almost like those uh

3:54:05 ↗ milestones in a sense that show us when

3:54:09 ↗ are we doing our touch points and so we

3:54:13 ↗ can do that evaluation did anybody else

3:54:15 ↗ have any honest questions concerns on

3:54:18 ↗ the work plan

3:54:21 ↗ I think

3:54:22 ↗ yes

3:54:25 ↗ um I did I noticed the um

3:54:27 ↗ t-o-d-o-c

3:54:29 ↗ um which we've made somewhat significant

3:54:32 ↗ I should probably say Majors majorly

3:54:34 ↗ significant progress

3:54:36 ↗ next month or so uh is is listed as

3:54:39 ↗ major challenges so I was wondering if

3:54:41 ↗ there's anything new

3:54:43 ↗ um that's happened that we're not aware

3:54:44 ↗ of or if that's just a description of

3:54:46 ↗ the ongoing

3:54:48 ↗ what we wanted it done you know four

3:54:50 ↗ years ago

3:54:52 ↗ I think that's you know it's hard once

3:54:55 ↗ we've once we've passed you know certain

3:54:57 ↗ Milestone when do you change it because

3:54:58 ↗ this has been a leadered project for

3:55:01 ↗ many years but we are at a really good

3:55:03 ↗ place we remain in a great place with

3:55:05 ↗ this project so I still have

3:55:08 ↗ um weekly or more than weekly meetings

3:55:10 ↗ with the project team uh we're we're

3:55:13 ↗ um no no major challenges since you know

3:55:16 ↗ uh The Last Action on this in December

3:55:19 ↗ so really good good to hear thank you

3:55:21 ↗ there was the council there's a policy

3:55:23 ↗ okay for us to reset this

3:55:26 ↗ now that so that it's there's no longer

3:55:29 ↗ major challenges that if it's on track

3:55:31 ↗ from this point forward and then if

3:55:34 ↗ something happens

3:55:36 ↗ sometimes we glance at it because

3:55:37 ↗ otherwise it'll say major challenges

3:55:39 ↗ yeah

3:55:43 ↗ so

3:55:44 ↗ um one of my earlier

3:55:46 ↗ asks on when when we we've been having

3:55:49 ↗ these documents as briefings for a while

3:55:51 ↗ now and one of the things was that they

3:55:53 ↗ they did sometimes change uh because the

3:55:57 ↗ goals would be reset for these long

3:55:58 ↗ projects and so my concern is just that

3:56:01 ↗ we do need to have information about

3:56:04 ↗ that it is four years you know behind

3:56:07 ↗ it's now on a new track and that happens

3:56:09 ↗ but I don't want that to get lost

3:56:12 ↗ because otherwise it keeps telescoping

3:56:13 ↗ out to the Future and we lose track of

3:56:16 ↗ that it's on the new track which is

3:56:19 ↗ actually

3:56:20 ↗ quite behind so um I I think it's okay

3:56:23 ↗ to reset because you know this is one

3:56:25 ↗ specific example but I do want to have

3:56:27 ↗ it documented in this that

3:56:30 ↗ we have reset it as of you know today

3:56:33 ↗ January 2018. like within the narrative

3:56:35 ↗ perhaps yeah the narrative and you've

3:56:38 ↗ reset it because of events and then it's

3:56:42 ↗ recorded Susie are you getting that for

3:56:45 ↗ chief I'm reading it right now

3:56:49 ↗ oh

3:56:51 ↗ and again we talked about reports being

3:56:54 ↗ uploaded this report

3:56:55 ↗ and that this needs to be dynamic on the

3:56:58 ↗ website

3:57:00 ↗ um and I know that Gene and Dale are are

3:57:03 ↗ chomping at the bit to do more of that

3:57:06 ↗ um but but they also know the importance

3:57:08 ↗ of discussions like this and having

3:57:09 ↗ something in front of you so

3:57:11 ↗ I think Ben you can capture and quite

3:57:13 ↗ honestly have more data fields because

3:57:15 ↗ we're

3:57:15 ↗ confined by just the sheer size of the

3:57:18 ↗ piece of paper and how small the print

3:57:21 ↗ but I think if we were to add to this an

3:57:24 ↗ established date

3:57:25 ↗ when did this first come on it was this

3:57:28 ↗ first added you know that would be great

3:57:30 ↗ to happen then that's one more column

3:57:31 ↗ yeah trying to squeeze on a piece of

3:57:34 ↗ paper

3:57:36 ↗ so I had a few items on this um gd4b

3:57:40 ↗ which is developed code amendments to

3:57:42 ↗ address diversity of housing I

3:57:45 ↗ appreciate that it says deliverables are

3:57:46 ↗ expected in June 2023 I'd love to know

3:57:49 ↗ when the next Council touch point is and

3:57:52 ↗ then similarly Council touch point on

3:57:54 ↗ the other Title 18 future update around

3:57:58 ↗ parking would be great to know on that

3:58:03 ↗ um and then I am very excited about the

3:58:05 ↗ online Utility Billing being available

3:58:07 ↗ in June so excited looking forward to

3:58:10 ↗ how we've publicized that to the

3:58:12 ↗ community we're so excited okay what's

3:58:16 ↗ the status for our online business tax

3:58:18 ↗ payments

3:58:20 ↗ so I'd love to get an update on what the

3:58:23 ↗ next step is for online business tax

3:58:26 ↗ payments

3:58:27 ↗ yes yes can you do it in two percent yes

3:58:31 ↗ um we have some limitations right now

3:58:33 ↗ with the software this is something that

3:58:35 ↗ we're going after support

3:58:39 ↗ okay well I appreciate that we're

3:58:42 ↗ getting something for every resident

3:58:43 ↗ also the businesses would be nice but

3:58:46 ↗ you know

3:58:47 ↗ okay great anybody have anything else on

3:58:50 ↗ the work plan

3:58:53 ↗ great next document was the capital

3:58:59 ↗ um Improvement plan project report and

3:59:03 ↗ so that's going over all of the capital

3:59:05 ↗ Improvement plans or capital

3:59:08 ↗ projects that we have in the city

3:59:13 ↗ um anybody has have any illness

3:59:16 ↗ questions concerns

3:59:19 ↗ okay I'll get them to mine

3:59:21 ↗ um pavement management

3:59:24 ↗ um

3:59:25 ↗ all of that last year's ceiling and

3:59:27 ↗ overlays didn't really go so well so I'm

3:59:31 ↗ wondering what we're doing differently

3:59:33 ↗ this year and when we'll get an update

3:59:37 ↗ on it

3:59:38 ↗ well it didn't really go so well it's a

3:59:40 ↗ very broad statement

3:59:42 ↗ um the Public Works staff

3:59:44 ↗ merely kills themselves on this

3:59:47 ↗ um and Ben and ashwa

3:59:50 ↗ first of all though so it was an

3:59:52 ↗ Innovative idea there were lots of

3:59:54 ↗ things that we tried the results whether

3:59:57 ↗ it was because the contractors or

3:59:58 ↗ whatnot what was our goal and what did

4:00:00 ↗ we accomplished that's how to frame that

4:00:03 ↗ conversation

4:00:04 ↗ yeah and you know there were different I

4:00:07 ↗ mean I I think at the end of the day we

4:00:09 ↗ largely accomplished what we said I

4:00:11 ↗ think the process the timing uh and the

4:00:14 ↗ resource activities were different than

4:00:16 ↗ one

4:00:19 ↗ my staff climate has taken us to deal

4:00:22 ↗ with companies that are over subscribed

4:00:26 ↗ and understaffed has been significant

4:00:29 ↗ um Bennett spent more time in 2022

4:00:31 ↗ interviewing employees than he did

4:00:34 ↗ working on pavement management and

4:00:36 ↗ that's not doesn't help payment

4:00:38 ↗ management when he's busy replacing

4:00:40 ↗ employees my sense Emily is that we're

4:00:43 ↗ much better off in the Staffing side on

4:00:45 ↗ streets than we were

4:00:48 ↗ 9 10 months ago so our hope is that this

4:00:51 ↗ year there will be less time spent

4:00:53 ↗ interviewing employees training

4:00:55 ↗ employees of our time focused on getting

4:00:57 ↗ out the projects again we have some

4:01:00 ↗ problems with vendors and their the

4:01:02 ↗ actual quality of their work I think

4:01:05 ↗ that could be attributed to vendors

4:01:07 ↗ having the same problems we do hiring

4:01:09 ↗ staff that aren't properly trained to

4:01:11 ↗ properly mix slurry appropriately

4:01:15 ↗ we resolve many if not all of those

4:01:18 ↗ issues a typical cycle I think we were

4:01:21 ↗ resolving 21 problems and 22 but I

4:01:24 ↗ believe we came through by the end of 22

4:01:26 ↗ having been on resolved so with staff

4:01:29 ↗ having the time to put out the contract

4:01:32 ↗ documents which is happening I imagine

4:01:34 ↗ right now or at least the preparations

4:01:37 ↗ talking Road segments right now right so

4:01:39 ↗ so that's also I I think we're feeling

4:01:41 ↗ fairly confident that the pieces are in

4:01:44 ↗ place that have been in place the last

4:01:45 ↗ couple of years so that's where we're at

4:01:48 ↗ but I think at the end of the day

4:01:50 ↗ we did what we said we were going to do

4:01:52 ↗ it just took a lot more energy and

4:01:54 ↗ effort to actually get it done yeah

4:01:58 ↗ um similarly we have two pigment

4:02:00 ↗ preservation projects on East Lake

4:02:02 ↗ Sammamish Parkway and Southeast 43rd and

4:02:05 ↗ I'm just wondering if we have

4:02:07 ↗ opportunities to kind of re-evaluate

4:02:09 ↗ what the pavement markings are there

4:02:12 ↗ when we're doing that and maybe

4:02:13 ↗ accomplish some protected fight blames

4:02:16 ↗ or other

4:02:17 ↗ multimodal opportunities with them

4:02:21 ↗ thrown it out there my guess is that's

4:02:24 ↗ not part of the project is it's

4:02:26 ↗ currently scoped

4:02:28 ↗ is there

4:02:29 ↗ Grant funded to the large three projects

4:02:37 ↗ to figure if we're gonna tear up a

4:02:38 ↗ roadway

4:02:40 ↗ Library do the same thing yeah it's a

4:02:43 ↗ great tearing up the roadway it's kind

4:02:45 ↗ of like bringing it down and getting it

4:02:47 ↗ ready yeah our maintenance thing but I

4:02:48 ↗ think one of the benefits that we now

4:02:51 ↗ have that started with Bob

4:02:53 ↗ is we have engineering and operations

4:02:57 ↗ under one house and their activities

4:03:00 ↗ while they're sometimes different are

4:03:02 ↗ interrelated

4:03:04 ↗ um our desire would be to touch a road

4:03:06 ↗ once and deal with those with

4:03:08 ↗ maintenance and I would I would call

4:03:10 ↗ enhancements or complete streets

4:03:12 ↗ activities they don't line up very well

4:03:15 ↗ often because the pavement is failing

4:03:17 ↗ and we do not have a capital project to

4:03:20 ↗ do kinds of the kinds of improvements

4:03:22 ↗ you're talking about but I hear you and

4:03:25 ↗ I think we have a better opportunity now

4:03:26 ↗ that we have it under one house

4:03:28 ↗ one director

4:03:31 ↗ Victoria

4:03:33 ↗ um well I was I always look for Hillside

4:03:35 ↗ Park it's currently on whatever track is

4:03:37 ↗ on so that's that's an example of one

4:03:39 ↗ that's been on different tracks and

4:03:42 ↗ um

4:03:43 ↗ it has been on the fastest tracks that

4:03:46 ↗ we've been able to have it for over the

4:03:48 ↗ last two years that we have put more

4:03:50 ↗ energy effort Community meetings

4:03:53 ↗ um planning staff environmental

4:03:56 ↗ Consultants uh we could not do that

4:03:58 ↗ project any faster if we wanted to over

4:04:00 ↗ the last can I share a little story on

4:04:02 ↗ that one today I wanted to say that it

4:04:05 ↗ I'm glad it's on yeah but I also want to

4:04:07 ↗ point out that it became green yeah so

4:04:11 ↗ there was a history of it being that

4:04:13 ↗ great I really want to thank you know

4:04:15 ↗ council members who have spoken up for

4:04:17 ↗ that older neighborhood for a long time

4:04:19 ↗ that is a real asset for that Community

4:04:22 ↗ you know when you open a can of orange

4:04:24 ↗ you never know what you're gonna see but

4:04:26 ↗ at one point we were

4:04:28 ↗ loggerheads with Department of ecology

4:04:30 ↗ in they wanted us to actually contribute

4:04:33 ↗ a million dollars to a fund that they

4:04:36 ↗ would spend on other communities based

4:04:39 ↗ on us working on our Wetland mitigation

4:04:41 ↗ issues and we had to fight them back no

4:04:43 ↗ way so you know that kind of worked

4:04:49 ↗ such a much bigger thing so it's on

4:04:51 ↗ track you do not have to give them a

4:04:53 ↗ million dollars to spend in other

4:04:55 ↗ communities and we get to proceed with

4:04:56 ↗ the work so it was surprising how

4:05:00 ↗ difficult that tiny little hidden

4:05:02 ↗ treasure has been but um how many

4:05:05 ↗ Community meetings Jeff

4:05:07 ↗ so during planning so on a positive side

4:05:11 ↗ you notice the orange color isn't part

4:05:12 ↗ of Hillside Park anymore we're through

4:05:15 ↗ planning the conceptual movement to get

4:05:17 ↗ to that we had probably five

4:05:19 ↗ neighborhood meetings to reach consensus

4:05:21 ↗ and that's a neighborhood that was at

4:05:23 ↗ serious friction

4:05:25 ↗ um no playground or yes playground so we

4:05:29 ↗ reached Community consensus 80 85 of

4:05:32 ↗ neighborhood respondents said we really

4:05:35 ↗ like the balanced approach you took yeah

4:05:37 ↗ okay there's 15 percent that well a

4:05:41 ↗ couple of them really really loud but

4:05:43 ↗ we're at consensus and so again to have

4:05:45 ↗ ecology say you don't need to write us a

4:05:48 ↗ check we like your game plan of

4:05:50 ↗ mitigating in the issaquerque corridor

4:05:52 ↗ and we're making some really really good

4:05:54 ↗ progress success will be when council

4:05:56 ↗ member Mark shows us that your own

4:05:58 ↗ footage yeah

4:06:06 ↗ okay so sorry I derailed this but what I

4:06:09 ↗ wanted to do is I actually wanted to bag

4:06:11 ↗ was I noticed that laughing Jacob's

4:06:13 ↗ create channel enhancement support is in

4:06:15 ↗ the red so important for Kokanee which

4:06:18 ↗ is super important to the community and

4:06:20 ↗ our neighboring communities and it talks

4:06:23 ↗ there about meeting additional funds for

4:06:25 ↗ the project in early Q3 so potentially

4:06:28 ↗ this is part of our conversations on

4:06:29 ↗ Capital

4:06:31 ↗ needs but I did want to flag that one

4:06:33 ↗ because it's red and then it looks like

4:06:35 ↗ from this that

4:06:37 ↗ um you know maybe we need to Advocate at

4:06:39 ↗ the state level for funding or maybe we

4:06:41 ↗ need to advocate for a different where

4:06:43 ↗ it runs different funds to make this

4:06:45 ↗ possible but um I know laughing Jacob

4:06:47 ↗ create very important for cooking

4:06:48 ↗ company really only have habitat our

4:06:51 ↗ local company only have habitat in like

4:06:53 ↗ Spanish so super important that we do

4:06:55 ↗ our part to preserve them

4:06:59 ↗ certified doctor Council and probably be

4:07:01 ↗ back those have more information about

4:07:02 ↗ how to fund that

4:07:05 ↗ what's the Gap jump

4:07:07 ↗ that's our question oh is that your

4:07:09 ↗ project what's the Gap Emily that is at

4:07:12 ↗ this moment I think the staff is still

4:07:15 ↗ trying to work with

4:07:17 ↗ um there's Partners on this project and

4:07:19 ↗ get clarity on what other partners may

4:07:22 ↗ be bringing

4:07:23 ↗ to it so I'd be happy to

4:07:26 ↗ be to share more

4:07:29 ↗ well a lot of the legislature is in

4:07:30 ↗ session I mean this is an opportunity to

4:07:31 ↗ talk to Mark and Lisa the capital budget

4:07:33 ↗ leaders and ask if there's any room in

4:07:36 ↗ the budget for a budget Proviso

4:07:38 ↗ State funding they'll look great

4:07:42 ↗ [Music]

4:07:43 ↗ yeah oh yeah

4:07:45 ↗ yes let's hear what Emily's team comes

4:07:49 ↗ back as you know a lot of these ones

4:07:51 ↗ that have multiple jurisdictions are

4:07:52 ↗ complicated that we need to have a

4:07:54 ↗ specific account

4:08:03 ↗ exactly

4:08:07 ↗ as well

4:08:09 ↗ a little bit more information

4:08:14 ↗ let me know how I can advocate for

4:08:16 ↗ getting that done super important one

4:08:22 ↗ um on my list I notice in the old town

4:08:24 ↗ traffic calming it says PSC is

4:08:25 ↗ installing street lights is that just on

4:08:28 ↗ that main thoroughfare where we did The

4:08:32 ↗ Sun Cross box at Sunset so additional

4:08:36 ↗ lighting is part of the plan on Sunset

4:08:38 ↗ and uh enhanced enhancement better

4:08:41 ↗ marked Crossings on Sunset so those

4:08:44 ↗ lights are in order we're going to get

4:08:46 ↗ them in a couple of months who knows

4:08:48 ↗ there's been a delay

4:08:50 ↗ and so I think it doesn't mean that

4:08:53 ↗ absolutely the new summertime I just

4:08:56 ↗ wasn't sure if that was going to be in

4:08:58 ↗ the entire Old Town neighborhood then I

4:09:00 ↗ was going to say well shouldn't we

4:09:01 ↗ consider sidewalks first should we talk

4:09:03 ↗ to the community so the the lighting

4:09:06 ↗ plan so yeah it's been a couple years

4:09:07 ↗ since we talked about this the the

4:09:09 ↗ lighting was a specific additional

4:09:12 ↗ lighting along the sunset and some of

4:09:13 ↗ those dark areas where we really heard

4:09:15 ↗ public comments saying you need to put

4:09:17 ↗ more light in here so that was really

4:09:18 ↗ the focus is to be responsive to the

4:09:20 ↗ community concerns that came up so we

4:09:24 ↗ you know we did the improvements at

4:09:25 ↗ second and Bush

4:09:27 ↗ um and the next step is that lighting

4:09:29 ↗ and we have we ordered those lights a

4:09:31 ↗ really long time ago we're just supply

4:09:34 ↗ chain stuff so um it's again in response

4:09:37 ↗ to specific Community concerns that were

4:09:39 ↗ raised yeah I remember those spots now

4:09:42 ↗ that you mentioned that okay

4:09:44 ↗ um and then the last one I had is I

4:09:47 ↗ noticed we're doing the community center

4:09:48 ↗ roof replacement have we considered

4:09:51 ↗ solar absolutely not we just don't think

4:09:54 ↗ solar makes any sense

4:10:01 ↗ what they will pay for it

4:10:06 ↗ write it down

4:10:08 ↗ okay

4:10:12 ↗ um anybody else sorry

4:10:14 ↗ too much coffee yeah

4:10:19 ↗ [Music]

4:10:22 ↗ yeah Barb with a random comment so

4:10:26 ↗ um I looked at the Strategic plan which

4:10:28 ↗ I will admit I have not looked at for a

4:10:30 ↗ while and I just want to say that as I

4:10:32 ↗ was going through it it was just amazing

4:10:34 ↗ to see how much we have done yeah it's

4:10:38 ↗ you could just check could check could

4:10:40 ↗ check or even the broader statements I

4:10:42 ↗ could think of projects within that I've

4:10:45 ↗ gotten done so I just you know I I well

4:10:48 ↗ first of all the value of strategic

4:10:49 ↗ planning is it sets you know yes exactly

4:10:54 ↗ congratulations and secondly and I am

4:10:58 ↗ not proposing this for 2023 but we

4:11:02 ↗ probably are getting close to needing to

4:11:05 ↗ renew this strategic plan yeah but

4:11:08 ↗ congratulations to staff and everybody

4:11:11 ↗ uh it's amazing I would recommend to

4:11:13 ↗ anybody to go back and look at the

4:11:15 ↗ Strategic plan and just count the number

4:11:16 ↗ of things we've actually accomplished

4:11:18 ↗ thank you that that is awesome yeah

4:11:20 ↗ that's awesome

4:11:23 ↗ so I think at this point the last

4:11:26 ↗ remaining item on our agenda is public

4:11:30 ↗ comment and so we have one individual in

4:11:33 ↗ the Brownsville Indiana will we be able

4:11:36 ↗ to talk about some of the other Liberty

4:11:38 ↗ thousand foot issues yeah actually why

4:11:41 ↗ don't you do that before we go to public

4:11:43 ↗ comment and yes we have at least one

4:11:45 ↗ person online with uh public comments

4:11:48 ↗ ICM

4:11:49 ↗ go ahead so the council president Deputy

4:11:52 ↗ council president wanted to at least

4:11:54 ↗ spend a couple minutes talking about

4:11:56 ↗ what else is going on what else will you

4:11:58 ↗ see before you

4:12:00 ↗ um over let's let's say the next six

4:12:02 ↗ months so first and foremost the title

4:12:04 ↗ 18.

4:12:05 ↗ um Title 18 is wrapping up at a planning

4:12:08 ↗ policy it will go to the council's

4:12:10 ↗ client development environment Committee

4:12:12 ↗ in February

4:12:13 ↗ it looks like it will get through that

4:12:16 ↗ Committee in February although I don't

4:12:18 ↗ say that with 100 certainty which means

4:12:21 ↗ that it will come back to the council in

4:12:23 ↗ March we haven't created a whole uh

4:12:25 ↗ scheduled where we'll have a public

4:12:27 ↗ hearing so it will likely have two

4:12:29 ↗ Touches at the city council so that is

4:12:31 ↗ coming to an end for those of you who

4:12:33 ↗ are not on the council committee I mean

4:12:37 ↗ ridiculous tremendous amount of effort

4:12:39 ↗ from the council committee itself from

4:12:42 ↗ the planning policy committee from City

4:12:45 ↗ staff from members of the community this

4:12:47 ↗ has been an enormous lift but it is

4:12:49 ↗ coming to a conclusion and you will see

4:12:52 ↗ it during the month of March as you look

4:12:54 ↗ on that's 0.1.2 as you look on the

4:12:57 ↗ planning calendar there's a ton of stuff

4:12:58 ↗ on facilities city office facilities so

4:13:02 ↗ um Autumn will be here

4:13:04 ↗ um with the planning team uh talk about

4:13:07 ↗ city office facilities we've done I

4:13:10 ↗ think a pretty good job of foreshadowing

4:13:12 ↗ some pieces of this that City Hall

4:13:17 ↗ there are going to be issues with that

4:13:19 ↗ the other big thing you need to be

4:13:21 ↗ thinking about is City Hall Northwest

4:13:23 ↗ the city clerk

4:13:26 ↗ has gone has done I mean about about a

4:13:29 ↗ year ago I guess we were largely out of

4:13:33 ↗ the building but since then the city

4:13:36 ↗ clerk and her staff and consultant staff

4:13:39 ↗ which she is just lost at the end of

4:13:42 ↗ this week after how many months did you

4:13:43 ↗ have them over one year plus of scanning

4:13:48 ↗ all the documents that resided in that

4:13:49 ↗ building we are largely done with that

4:13:52 ↗ and when we are done we will have one of

4:13:54 ↗ the most impressive Municipal records uh

4:13:58 ↗ digitization projects for 650 000 in

4:14:01 ↗ America in the country but it is it is

4:14:03 ↗ just astounding but with all that said

4:14:05 ↗ the building is about ready to be

4:14:07 ↗ disposed of and so we need the council's

4:14:10 ↗ guidance Direction thoughts during the

4:14:13 ↗ first half of this year about this

4:14:15 ↗ position of City Hall Northwest

4:14:18 ↗ largely separate from everything else

4:14:20 ↗ we're talking about so that is something

4:14:22 ↗ to keep an eye on as well as you're

4:14:25 ↗ thinking about things we are going to

4:14:27 ↗ come back to the council with the equity

4:14:28 ↗ framework we have done

4:14:30 ↗ um some soul searching I think it's safe

4:14:33 ↗ to call it social regime in this very

4:14:34 ↗ room

4:14:35 ↗ um about where we are with that I think

4:14:38 ↗ we're at a point we've come back on

4:14:39 ↗ porch the council where we are with that

4:14:41 ↗ so that's an important piece uh coming

4:14:43 ↗ up as well over the the next uh the six

4:14:46 ↗ months uh I think those are pretty much

4:14:49 ↗ the

4:14:50 ↗ Emily

4:14:54 ↗ sorry Emily what about oh well we also

4:14:58 ↗ foreshadowed Staffing because that's

4:15:00 ↗ what you're talking about we've also I

4:15:02 ↗ think that's the CIP all of that is yes

4:15:05 ↗ yes I mean these are things we didn't

4:15:06 ↗ talk about today the things we didn't

4:15:08 ↗ talk about today uh but yes CIP is a big

4:15:11 ↗ part of the Staffing for Public Works

4:15:13 ↗ um you know we we don't feel comfortable

4:15:15 ↗ with the staff Network

4:15:17 ↗ um we may not be comfortable on the park

4:15:19 ↗ side either but we're still in the

4:15:21 ↗ process I mean Jeff's hopefully has a a

4:15:23 ↗ good a good person that they're talking

4:15:26 ↗ to

4:15:27 ↗ um but we know right now that we're not

4:15:30 ↗ comfortable where we are with public

4:15:31 ↗ works so we will come I think the

4:15:33 ↗ services safety and Parks talk about

4:15:35 ↗ that in the month of February is that

4:15:38 ↗ when it's scheduled Emily

4:15:42 ↗ will be coming to committee

4:15:47 ↗ um

4:15:50 ↗ we'll figure it out but that's also

4:15:53 ↗ coming

4:15:54 ↗ um we take all this very seriously and

4:15:56 ↗ uh you know Emily has done a tremendous

4:15:59 ↗ job coming on here looking very

4:16:00 ↗ methodically using data which I don't

4:16:03 ↗ think we have used data properly in

4:16:05 ↗ evaluating the resources we spent on a

4:16:07 ↗ couple projects so we now have done a

4:16:09 ↗ better job of that and I think could

4:16:11 ↗ make asks that are informed

4:16:14 ↗ wow so thank you council president those

4:16:16 ↗ are the big big things other than the

4:16:19 ↗ stuff we've talked about today that's

4:16:20 ↗ what the next six months are here to the

4:16:22 ↗ council lives look like thank you

4:16:24 ↗ excellent okay so we have a preview of

4:16:27 ↗ what's coming up what's fun things to

4:16:30 ↗ touch one

4:16:31 ↗ um but we still need to close up this

4:16:32 ↗ Retreat and hear from the community

4:16:35 ↗ members who have been so kind to wait

4:16:37 ↗ through so do we have anyone in the room

4:16:40 ↗ who wants to make comments

4:16:43 ↗ no

4:16:45 ↗ yes come on up Julia

4:16:54 ↗ yeah and you speak I think yeah yeah

4:16:57 ↗ okay so we'll we'll keep an eye on that

4:17:00 ↗ um

4:17:01 ↗ hello my name is Julian just a resident

4:17:05 ↗ of Issaquah

4:17:08 ↗ I should Chief uh just the public safety

4:17:11 ↗ Levy that might be proposed or will be

4:17:14 ↗ proposed on the Privacy ballot

4:17:17 ↗ um I think the focus would be you know

4:17:20 ↗ more it should be wider but I'm just

4:17:22 ↗ facilities if we aren't on the

4:17:25 ↗ client-free ballots I think it's crucial

4:17:28 ↗ to you know you feel Behavioral Health

4:17:30 ↗ and things that make sure into that as

4:17:33 ↗ well otherwise I don't think I could

4:17:35 ↗ support just the simple facilities

4:17:39 ↗ so it's a wider

4:17:41 ↗ and

4:17:42 ↗ Ballistic approach to Public Safety is

4:17:45 ↗ important thank you

4:17:48 ↗ thank you

4:17:49 ↗ and then that's the only member we have

4:17:52 ↗ in person

4:17:53 ↗ um I know I see CM I assume that's

4:17:56 ↗ Connie Marsh online and then do we have

4:17:58 ↗ anybody else after that okay great can

4:18:02 ↗ we give county ability to

4:18:04 ↗ speak and

4:18:06 ↗ yes because you've been unmuted okay do

4:18:09 ↗ I get to be video or I'm just a voice

4:18:12 ↗ okay

4:18:13 ↗ you should be able to turn video on

4:18:18 ↗ now I just I think I just got it

4:18:21 ↗ yes you're right here here I am nowhere

4:18:24 ↗ I'm actually

4:18:25 ↗ out working today but

4:18:28 ↗ um I've been trying to listen off and on

4:18:30 ↗ and here you go so one of the things

4:18:33 ↗ that you rarely talk about is technology

4:18:36 ↗ and that's one of the big things that we

4:18:39 ↗ need for improvement and one of those

4:18:42 ↗ even larger things is GIS mapping which

4:18:45 ↗ is going to be a baseline component for

4:18:48 ↗ our our planning and our building and so

4:18:52 ↗ I think we need to ensure that that gets

4:18:56 ↗ a voice it does not have a committee

4:18:57 ↗ that guides it and we rarely get

4:19:01 ↗ presentations on it so then on the

4:19:05 ↗ criteria breakdowns from last year where

4:19:08 ↗ we tried to go through criteria for uh

4:19:12 ↗ the CIP and tip the bigger breakdown was

4:19:16 ↗ when criteria were created and then the

4:19:19 ↗ project lists were brought back it's a

4:19:22 ↗ project list did not get

4:19:24 ↗ uh to the goals that were being hoped

4:19:29 ↗ for but there was very little voice to

4:19:33 ↗ say we need to change this we need to

4:19:36 ↗ change this it's not right so I would

4:19:39 ↗ ask that there actually be quite a bit

4:19:40 ↗ of time at the end after the criteria

4:19:43 ↗ created and the projects then are pushed

4:19:46 ↗ out for people to say wow that is not

4:19:50 ↗ what we expected and we we think it

4:19:53 ↗ needs to be changed for this year not in

4:19:56 ↗ the future and then for the golden

4:19:58 ↗ outcomes chart you do need to remember

4:20:01 ↗ that goals and outs comes chart came

4:20:03 ↗ with struggles which one of the largest

4:20:07 ↗ ones was do the goals and outcomes have

4:20:11 ↗ to match the existing comprehensive plan

4:20:14 ↗ goals and we're going to be going

4:20:16 ↗ through comprehensive sense of playing

4:20:18 ↗ updates so I think that awkwardness

4:20:21 ↗ needs to be dressed from the very

4:20:23 ↗ beginning and that might save you like

4:20:26 ↗ four meetings I

4:20:28 ↗ like the

4:20:30 ↗ let's see

4:20:31 ↗ finding fundings oh uh the one thing I

4:20:35 ↗ didn't hear you talk about was

4:20:36 ↗ somebody's got to say how much money do

4:20:38 ↗ we think we're going to be getting from

4:20:40 ↗ the outside and what are those projected

4:20:42 ↗ funding streams look like and I don't

4:20:45 ↗ know that we have anybody in the city

4:20:46 ↗ that provides that sort of analysis

4:20:49 ↗ because well we talk about funding

4:20:51 ↗ shortages

4:20:54 ↗ um huge component of that especially for

4:20:56 ↗ capital projects is what grants are we

4:20:59 ↗ going to be able to get and potentially

4:21:01 ↗ what state funding could come our way

4:21:03 ↗ and so do we have staff for that and

4:21:08 ↗ last I you know Public Safety Public

4:21:13 ↗ Safety what the heck so maybe do a

4:21:16 ↗ survey and ask people what Public Safety

4:21:19 ↗ is to them and what resonates with the

4:21:21 ↗ majority of people before you decide you

4:21:23 ↗ think you know what that means and what

4:21:26 ↗ they would support

4:21:28 ↗ um I think you all feel like you know

4:21:30 ↗ what you would support support but that

4:21:32 ↗ may not be what the public would support

4:21:34 ↗ and I think if you do that early before

4:21:37 ↗ it goes to a commit the Committees I

4:21:40 ↗ think you'd have a better chance of

4:21:42 ↗ getting something that people might

4:21:44 ↗ pass so I thought it was an interesting

4:21:46 ↗ conversation you all had thoughtful

4:21:48 ↗ ideas and maybe yet again another

4:21:51 ↗ reiteration of how we're going to

4:21:54 ↗ prioritize a CIP will get us better

4:21:57 ↗ results I don't know I've been through

4:21:59 ↗ it like six times and we always seem to

4:22:01 ↗ sort of end up in the same place which

4:22:03 ↗ is this is not quite right but who knows

4:22:05 ↗ maybe the sixth time is the charm thanks

4:22:09 ↗ thanks for joining us while you're uh

4:22:12 ↗ out and about and all of that

4:22:16 ↗ um any other public online okay no so at

4:22:21 ↗ that point you know we have three more

4:22:24 ↗ minutes we really we have just three

4:22:26 ↗ minutes

4:22:34 ↗ yes

4:22:36 ↗ we're gonna do that

4:22:39 ↗ shouldn't have what they need does

4:22:40 ↗ council have any other questions or you

4:22:44 ↗ guys all just really tired of us at this

4:22:46 ↗ point no just happened

4:22:48 ↗ yeah thank you yeah thank you for the

4:22:51 ↗ structure you guys provided and the

4:22:54 ↗ early information you sent out to

4:22:55 ↗ council I think we have really good

4:22:56 ↗ conversations

4:22:58 ↗ we love hanging out with you guys we

4:23:00 ↗ just developed these things because we

4:23:02 ↗ just hang the brainstorming sessions so

4:23:05 ↗ May 6th is your next one and so May 6th

4:23:09 ↗ will be the results the community survey

4:23:11 ↗ because that's Autumn ready almost ready

4:23:13 ↗ to go out on street right

4:23:15 ↗ February what was the role and we're

4:23:18 ↗ pretty close to that so you'll have the

4:23:19 ↗ results the community survey and we will

4:23:21 ↗ talk about performance measures we'll

4:23:23 ↗ have all the 22 measures Dale will be

4:23:26 ↗ here and we'll walk through all of that

4:23:29 ↗ That Remains the beginning of the budget

4:23:31 ↗ mid-year bid biennium budget process

4:23:33 ↗ starts on May 6th yeah okay so you guys

4:23:37 ↗ have everything you need from this

4:23:40 ↗ we'll look forward to what we get back

4:23:42 ↗ for the February club meeting

4:23:44 ↗ excellent

4:23:46 ↗ thanks everybody

4:23:48 ↗ um

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Attendance

Council / Members (11)

Barbara de Michele

Zach Hall

Victoria Hunt

Russell Joe

Tola Marts

Chris Reh

Lindsey Walsh

Emily Moon, Public Works Director

Jeff Watling, Parks & Community Services

Director

Susie Monsell, Budget Manager