City Council Committee of the Whole · Saturday, January 28, 2023 · City Council Digest

CITY COUNCIL RETREAT

Public Comment

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Staff report:

Council activity 2: What’s missing? 10:30 – 10:45 am Break 10:45 – 11:30 am Project criteria and the role of boards and commissions Staff presentation & council

Introduction By Council President Walsh, Mayor Pauly & City Administrator Bobkiewicz

15 min

Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) Visioning Activity

45 min

Topics: Budget

Re-thinking the Capital Improvement Plan

30 min

Topics: Budget

CIP Project Criteria & the Role of Boards and Commissions

45 min

Topics: Budget

CIP Funding & Revenue Options 7 - 38 2023 Citywide Workplan & City Council

60 min

Topics: Budget

1:00 PM Agenda

45 min

Public Comment

Closing Remarks

5 min

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0:00 ↗ foreign

0:08 ↗ Council special meeting Retreat as we

0:12 ↗ talk about the capital Improvement uh

0:15 ↗ plan or CIP

0:18 ↗ um we're gonna do a little bit of an

0:20 ↗ introduction here we've got an

0:23 ↗ opportunity for public comment and we're

0:25 ↗ going to go into a conversation about

0:28 ↗ you know what's our vision on this what

0:30 ↗ what goals do we want to accomplish with

0:33 ↗ rethinking the CIP in a conversation

0:36 ↗ about what should be in the CIP

0:39 ↗ talk about our plans we've got a break

0:41 ↗ then at that point

0:43 ↗ a conversation about the kind of

0:46 ↗ criteria and process for rethinking the

0:49 ↗ CIP followed by a lunch break

0:51 ↗ conversation about funding and timeline

0:54 ↗ and then getting into our work plan

0:56 ↗ review as well as public comments at the

0:59 ↗ end

1:00 ↗ if you're hoping to be done by 2PM we're

1:03 ↗ going to keep moving on this as needed

1:05 ↗ so

1:07 ↗ um

1:08 ↗ Zach did you have some comments about

1:11 ↗ kind of why we're doing this yeah yeah

1:14 ↗ yeah definitely so yeah we wanted to

1:16 ↗ take a moment to step back for a minute

1:18 ↗ too and just talk about why we're here

1:20 ↗ so

1:21 ↗ um you know last year we sat down right

1:23 ↗ here and we took about a big step back

1:25 ↗ to think ahead the things strategically

1:27 ↗ to think intentionally and the result of

1:30 ↗ that was one of the best budget Seasons

1:32 ↗ we've had a really long time

1:34 ↗ uh similarly uh some of you were around

1:37 ↗ uh on Council are participating in other

1:39 ↗ ways when our community took a big step

1:41 ↗ back to set a new vision a new Mission

1:43 ↗ uh to set new goals for issaquah's

1:46 ↗ future that guide every decision that we

1:48 ↗ make and that would become our strategic

1:50 ↗ plan

1:51 ↗ um Idols argued that the incredible work

1:53 ↗ going on the update Title 18 is a big

1:55 ↗ step back to think big

1:58 ↗ um so all this to say that one of the

1:59 ↗ community and the council and the

2:01 ↗ administration come together to take a

2:03 ↗ step back

2:04 ↗ consider where we are to consider where

2:06 ↗ we ought to be history tells us that we

2:10 ↗ can create something amazing that we can

2:12 ↗ have a lasting impact on the community

2:14 ↗ by way of our plans by way of being

2:16 ↗ intentional so we think it's time to do

2:18 ↗ that again

2:20 ↗ um this time to re-examine how we invest

2:22 ↗ in infrastructure and as we all know

2:25 ↗ it's a long game for meetings like these

2:27 ↗ to ribbon cuttings Capital Improvements

2:29 ↗ that we prioritize and fund Take Years

2:32 ↗ sometimes decades and that's why it's so

2:36 ↗ important to get this right so we've got

2:38 ↗ a lot of good stuff planned today I'm

2:39 ↗ really excited

2:53 ↗ so thank you for coming together

2:56 ↗ um we will talk a little later on toward

2:59 ↗ the end uh about the rest of the year

3:01 ↗ but this is the first of three uh

3:04 ↗ Council uh work plan workshops uh that

3:07 ↗ we have scheduled we've done two the

3:09 ↗ last few years we wanted to add a third

3:12 ↗ because of the importance of the capital

3:14 ↗ planning and I think Deputy council

3:16 ↗ president really did a great job of kind

3:19 ↗ of providing uh the context of the

3:21 ↗ importance of that uh

3:24 ↗ but from the administration's standpoint

3:26 ↗ first and foremost we wanted to say we

3:28 ↗ hear you uh that over the last couple of

3:31 ↗ years I think we have heard the

3:33 ↗ frustration of some members of the

3:35 ↗ council saying that we have asked our

3:36 ↗ boards and commissions to do a whole

3:38 ↗ variety of long-range plans uh and I

3:41 ↗ think there's been the feeling that not

3:43 ↗ all of the projects initiatives programs

3:47 ↗ that have been identified in those

3:48 ↗ Armory plans I've had an opportunity to

3:50 ↗ be folded into our Capital planning

3:53 ↗ process so we wanted to take this

3:54 ↗ opportunity at the very beginning of the

3:58 ↗ calendar year

3:59 ↗ to say we would like to see a process

4:03 ↗ and I think you would love a licensing

4:04 ↗ process it has a much greater focus on

4:07 ↗ the projects and initiatives in those

4:09 ↗ plans that we then also have a a

4:12 ↗ significant involvement with our boards

4:14 ↗ and commissions as we go through this

4:16 ↗ process to check in make sure the

4:19 ↗ evaluation criteria for proposed

4:21 ↗ projects uh meshed with their thinking

4:24 ↗ that once there are projects identified

4:26 ↗ that that measures what they're thinking

4:28 ↗ so what you will hear from the

4:31 ↗ administration today

4:33 ↗ through Andrew's presentations uh

4:35 ↗ hopefully is their response that meets

4:37 ↗ those challenges

4:39 ↗ um we've been talking about rethinking

4:40 ↗ the capital plan you know it's really

4:42 ↗ more of a refinement we are already

4:45 ↗ investing a lot of resources in capital

4:47 ↗ uh budget capital projects and that has

4:52 ↗ started coming out of the pandemic I

4:55 ↗ think it will continue in a significant

4:57 ↗ way as we move forward but we want to be

5:00 ↗ responsive to you we want to be

5:01 ↗ responsive to the community we want to

5:04 ↗ respond to the needs that the physical

5:06 ↗ infrastructure of the city maps so this

5:09 ↗ meeting really I think is meant to be a

5:12 ↗ lighting of a fuse to say the struggles

5:15 ↗ we've had over the last several years on

5:17 ↗ many many fronts returning that corner

5:19 ↗ and now it really focus on accomplishing

5:22 ↗ a lot of moving forward uh the the one

5:27 ↗ caveat in all of this is resources

5:29 ↗ um there's a lot on our plate um we all

5:32 ↗ want from a staff administration's

5:33 ↗ perspective to deliver for you the city

5:36 ↗ council for the larger community on the

5:39 ↗ needs and desires that you have but to

5:42 ↗ do that takes a lot of different kinds

5:44 ↗ of resources it takes plain old cash

5:47 ↗ um and we are fortunate coming out of

5:49 ↗ the pandemic that we had a lot of

5:51 ↗ resources not only of our own savings

5:53 ↗ but also for the federal government and

5:55 ↗ so there are a lot of active projects

5:57 ↗ that currently being done

5:59 ↗ we remain concerned that the resources

6:01 ↗ necessary on the staff side to

6:04 ↗ accomplish those projects remain

6:06 ↗ challenges difficult markets hire people

6:09 ↗ we are trying to hire engineers and and

6:13 ↗ project staff at certain levels of

6:16 ↗ experience and quite honestly they're

6:17 ↗ just not there and so we've made the

6:19 ↗ decision instead to hire the best and

6:22 ↗ brightest that we can find and then work

6:24 ↗ with them on the levels of experience

6:26 ↗ managing projects working on projects

6:28 ↗ and so that that divide uh is an

6:32 ↗ important one to note because we can't

6:35 ↗ just ask a lot of these individuals take

6:37 ↗ a project and run and do it like you've

6:38 ↗ done projects in previous jobs in some

6:41 ↗ cases while we have very smart talented

6:43 ↗ staff they don't have that kind of

6:45 ↗ experience so that's the additional

6:47 ↗ layer of energy that's required there

6:51 ↗ um also the community because we have

6:52 ↗ you know a small but dedicated group of

6:56 ↗ community members who

6:58 ↗ um are Relentless in wanting connection

7:02 ↗ and information about capital projects

7:04 ↗ and if we are going to continue that

7:06 ↗ level of responsiveness that also takes

7:09 ↗ time and energy over many years we've

7:12 ↗ relied on Project Engineers who are busy

7:14 ↗ designing the project working with

7:15 ↗ Consultants also then to spend many

7:17 ↗ hours responding to emails for community

7:19 ↗ members

7:20 ↗ um we don't think that makes sense

7:22 ↗ forward we need our project Engineers to

7:24 ↗ do engineering not necessarily Community

7:26 ↗ engagement so we're looking at ways to

7:29 ↗ address that

7:30 ↗ before and then Bali the biggest

7:31 ↗ resource of all is additional dollars uh

7:35 ↗ to make these projects happen and to do

7:37 ↗ it in a way

7:39 ↗ um find those dollars in a way that's

7:40 ↗ responsible that connects back with the

7:42 ↗ community and one of the things you will

7:44 ↗ hear from us today is that we believe

7:46 ↗ the time has come but we need to go to

7:48 ↗ the voters of this cloth and say we need

7:51 ↗ additional help through financial

7:52 ↗ resources to support some of these

7:55 ↗ initiatives so we're excited to be here

7:57 ↗ we've spent a lot of time

7:59 ↗ um being ready to talk today about the

8:02 ↗ capital planning process we truly as a

8:05 ↗ staff of the administration

8:07 ↗ um I believe this is so incredibly

8:08 ↗ important to the future of this

8:10 ↗ community people move here because of

8:13 ↗ this natural beauty is gone people move

8:15 ↗ here because of the infrastructure the

8:18 ↗ parks the streets all the things that

8:20 ↗ make up this community that's what we

8:22 ↗ have going for us and so if the economy

8:24 ↗ changes if work Styles change if housing

8:27 ↗ options change we still want to remain a

8:31 ↗ very attractive place for people to be

8:32 ↗ and to do that as a lot of investment

8:35 ↗ Capital dollars and so we're committed

8:38 ↗ to do that with uh really all of you and

8:41 ↗ the community our boards and commissions

8:43 ↗ as good partners so at the end of the

8:45 ↗ day what we do have is something people

8:47 ↗ excited about people good about and

8:49 ↗ really moves this community forward so

8:51 ↗ we're really excited to be here and talk

8:53 ↗ about all this great so taking that idea

8:57 ↗ forward to kind of look back and you go

9:00 ↗ but we've had a cfp

9:01 ↗ but we've identified the projects and

9:05 ↗ they're you know you certainly refer to

9:08 ↗ demonstrate above which talk about how

9:10 ↗ we've also done planning with our boards

9:12 ↗ and commissions and those plans and

9:16 ↗ projects that are in those plans haven't

9:18 ↗ really had a process for making it into

9:20 ↗ the CIP so that was one of the major

9:23 ↗ reasons to do this rethinking

9:27 ↗ um the other is you know if we need to

9:30 ↗ have a set of projects in a six-year

9:34 ↗ period that we really want to accomplish

9:37 ↗ that the planned selection and the

9:39 ↗ criteria for why those projects are in

9:42 ↗ the CIP is both transparent and

9:45 ↗ realistic realistic for what we can get

9:48 ↗ done but also realistic for what our

9:51 ↗ community needs at this point that it's

9:53 ↗ not just dictated by the cash on hand

9:56 ↗ availability and then that third part is

10:00 ↗ the fund it so we have a clear plan to

10:06 ↗ accomplish these projects you heard that

10:07 ↗ coming out of the community funding task

10:09 ↗ force and so this is really that next

10:12 ↗ step of that process

10:15 ↗ um so at this point I was gonna see if

10:19 ↗ the mayor wanted any introductory

10:21 ↗ comments as I mean just in time do you

10:26 ↗ want to say anything introductory

10:27 ↗ otherwise we're going to go into public

10:28 ↗ comments okay well I want to apologize

10:31 ↗ for being amazed I uh snooze the first

10:34 ↗ alarm slept through second alarm and my

10:37 ↗ third alarm is off skiing I just woke up

10:39 ↗ I probably had pillow marks on my face

10:42 ↗ um I'm really excited that you've

10:44 ↗ decided to tackle this and challenge uh

10:46 ↗ it's been interesting serving with Cola

10:50 ↗ for now over a Dozen Years watching how

10:54 ↗ this process has sort of been one that

10:57 ↗ has evolved as much as others so looking

11:00 ↗ very forward to council's conversation

11:02 ↗ today and to the retreat fantastic

11:05 ↗ thanks yes go get food

11:09 ↗ um so at this point

11:11 ↗ um clerk I would ask do we have we don't

11:13 ↗ have anybody in the public here we have

11:15 ↗ wonderful staff who is sitting over here

11:17 ↗ but um do we have any public on the

11:21 ↗ oh and obviously we wouldn't have

11:23 ↗ anybody online because we're recording

11:25 ↗ no no we the WebEx channel is open we

11:28 ↗ had someone really briefly um join us

11:30 ↗ but they're not here now

11:32 ↗ so to ask the question yeah what does

11:35 ↗ success look like today

11:37 ↗ success for today it looks like so one

11:41 ↗ of the statements or one of the

11:43 ↗ processes we're going to go through is

11:45 ↗ creating kind of the goals and outcomes

11:47 ↗ chart like the title 8 team so that we

11:50 ↗ have an idea of what this process looks

11:53 ↗ like at the end point when it's

11:54 ↗ successful so one is setting at the

11:57 ↗ stage for this next set of work

12:00 ↗ um the other is I think staff would like

12:03 ↗ to come away with the idea that we have

12:06 ↗ Council buy-in on where the window of

12:09 ↗ projects are that we should be looking

12:12 ↗ at so that they can go back do more work

12:14 ↗ on you know what's the viability of this

12:17 ↗ do we have the staff of resources to do

12:19 ↗ it so that then they can come back to

12:21 ↗ both the board's provisions and council

12:23 ↗ at various touch points and be able to

12:26 ↗ say okay

12:27 ↗ this is the landscape of the projects

12:30 ↗ out there and then

12:33 ↗ um work through the criteria so I think

12:35 ↗ those are the two big things the third

12:37 ↗ one is really introducing the idea of

12:41 ↗ the funding timelines

12:43 ↗ um but there's future conversations to

12:46 ↗ really get to a true bi-in on that

12:49 ↗ anything else that you would add while

12:51 ↗ there Andrea okay that's great yeah

12:54 ↗ indeed and towards that idea you know I

12:57 ↗ will apologize a little bit that we

12:58 ↗ don't have

13:00 ↗ all of the staff presentations in

13:04 ↗ um the packet both for Council and the

13:07 ↗ public but we really wanted this to be

13:10 ↗ Council lit we wanted it to be something

13:12 ↗ where we weren't necessarily reacting to

13:16 ↗ or already going down the process as

13:19 ↗ staff has had to do to be prepared for

13:21 ↗ this but then we were really thinking

13:24 ↗ about it from kind of the Baseline of

13:28 ↗ why are we rethinking this and what

13:31 ↗ should the outcomes be so we decided to

13:34 ↗ not have the staff presentations in

13:37 ↗ there so that we could really do it

13:38 ↗ based on those ideas

13:41 ↗ so

13:43 ↗ think at this point

13:47 ↗ um the next part we're on to part C

13:49 ↗ which is the capital Improvement plan

13:51 ↗ visioning goals and outcome

13:52 ↗ brainstorming activity Andrea do you

13:55 ↗ want to kick us off with presentation or

13:57 ↗ do you have anything to kind of talk

14:00 ↗ through what the idea is there uh so I

14:04 ↗ think

14:05 ↗ um not really I think we uh have a

14:08 ↗ number of both of the Administration has

14:10 ↗ identified we can go over those after

14:11 ↗ the activity that Council does in the

14:13 ↗ spirit of making sure this is Council

14:15 ↗ LED and you're not reacting to something

14:16 ↗ from the administration so

14:19 ↗ um I I welcome you to kick us off okay I

14:22 ↗ just wanted to make sure give you guys

14:24 ↗ the opportunity

14:27 ↗ um Okay so

14:29 ↗ Zach are you gonna want to use the

14:32 ↗ SharePoint

14:33 ↗ and have that presented or do you want

14:36 ↗ to go scribble on the board should we

14:39 ↗ ask Council so you guys care yeah we

14:41 ↗ have a couple options in terms of taking

14:42 ↗ notes at The Last Retreat that we did

14:44 ↗ here remember I took some notes kind of

14:46 ↗ on the Whiteboard so everyone could see

14:48 ↗ it we also kind of have a shared

14:49 ↗ document that we could just start

14:50 ↗ putting in it is it important for you

14:52 ↗ all to kind of see it while we're having

14:53 ↗ this conversation on board if so I can

14:56 ↗ go stand up there right now

15:00 ↗ okay

15:03 ↗ yeah

15:04 ↗ so

15:06 ↗ I was thinking we would start off with

15:08 ↗ you know I think the Administration has

15:12 ↗ done a good job of kind of

15:14 ↗ saying hey these are the three things

15:16 ↗ that we've heard from Council the boards

15:18 ↗ and commissions and the community that

15:20 ↗ are causing us to want to rethink the

15:23 ↗ CIP and the plan and the projects in

15:27 ↗ there so going through some of those as

15:31 ↗ a way to so

15:34 ↗ how familiar is everybody with the title

15:36 ↗ 18 goals and outcomes Center

15:39 ↗ oh okay so let me take a step back there

15:42 ↗ then yeah I know you're you're gonna

15:44 ↗ have that mistakes

15:46 ↗ um

15:47 ↗ so when the title 18 process started out

15:51 ↗ we

15:52 ↗ um as Council created an ad hoc to kind

15:55 ↗ of work with staff on that beginning

15:57 ↗ point one of the things that the adpoc

15:59 ↗ group did was to kind of say hey we need

16:03 ↗ to define the scope of this project

16:05 ↗ because taking on Title 18 and our land

16:07 ↗ use code could have just continued on

16:10 ↗ and on and on so we wanted to set a a

16:13 ↗ set of goals of when we come out of this

16:16 ↗ process if we've done these things

16:19 ↗ um we will see this as assistant success

16:22 ↗ and so the columns of that chart are

16:25 ↗ things like okay the goal one of the

16:28 ↗ goals for Title 18 was that our forested

16:31 ↗ hillsides were protected and then there

16:34 ↗ were possible actions and then

16:37 ↗ um or objectives actions and

16:40 ↗ yeah desired outcomes and that kind of

16:44 ↗ traces it through the process

16:46 ↗ what we didn't do as the ad Punk was

16:49 ↗ Define all of those what we were able to

16:51 ↗ do was say these are the problems and

16:54 ↗ maybe these are the outcomes and then we

16:56 ↗ let staff fill in the rest of that so I

17:00 ↗ think our goal here for the next 45 or

17:04 ↗ so minutes is really to make sure we

17:06 ↗ have all of the goals or problem

17:09 ↗ statements kind of listed out and then

17:12 ↗ fill in some of those outcomes

17:17 ↗ do you want do you want to just start

17:19 ↗ over there

17:21 ↗ for some reason it's I'm sharing it but

17:24 ↗ it won't and I can see it but it's not

17:26 ↗ showing up no worries we are flexible

17:29 ↗ absolutely so

17:33 ↗ yeah and so if you want to kind of take

17:37 ↗ one column which is kind of the goals or

17:41 ↗ the problem statements and then another

17:43 ↗ column that is kind of the

17:46 ↗ outcomes or objectives I think it's

17:49 ↗ really the

17:52 ↗ the

17:59 ↗ I think I'll just add to you think of

18:01 ↗ this really as a brain done you guys so

18:03 ↗ like you can reorganize and restructure

18:06 ↗ things to make it fit into goals

18:08 ↗ problems

18:09 ↗ excited outcomes at a later date too and

18:12 ↗ staff I'm sure will want to find with

18:13 ↗ them as well yeah so I think as an

18:17 ↗ example I'll start with one of the

18:20 ↗ things that the Administration has said

18:23 ↗ which is hey we've

18:26 ↗ projects from the boards and commissions

18:29 ↗ their plans don't really have a path for

18:32 ↗ inclusion to the CIP so from both the

18:36 ↗ administration and my standpoint I would

18:39 ↗ say that is one of the problems or goals

18:44 ↗ with the current process which is we

18:47 ↗ have a CIP which has a bunch of projects

18:49 ↗ in there but then we create say the

18:52 ↗ master Mobility plan and all of the

18:54 ↗ items in the master Mobility plan art

18:57 ↗ don't have a path to be included in the

19:01 ↗ CIP so if you would put that down as

19:04 ↗ the first problem

19:07 ↗ and I stated as a positive instead of

19:09 ↗ both sure that there's a path

19:13 ↗ um for suggestions from the boards and

19:16 ↗ commissions to make it into the CIP yeah

19:29 ↗ and then while Zach is writing the

19:32 ↗ Victoria

19:35 ↗ um

19:36 ↗ analogy or the comparison to the post

19:40 ↗ from the totally team country

19:42 ↗ um and we did there was an ad hoc but

19:44 ↗ then we also went to the full Council on

19:46 ↗ full Council weighed in early in the

19:48 ↗ process

19:49 ↗ um and here we're weighing into physical

19:51 ↗ concept from the beginning which I think

19:52 ↗ is great

19:53 ↗ um in that goals and outcomes we have

19:56 ↗ umbrella goals which work for everything

19:58 ↗ and then we have specific problems that

20:00 ↗ we wanted to address and I think that

20:02 ↗ could probably serve us well because

20:03 ↗ some of this is processed and some of

20:05 ↗ this is probably specific to

20:07 ↗ in infrastructure that needs to get done

20:10 ↗ um and so uh one of them actually is

20:13 ↗ provide a transparent code update

20:15 ↗ process that allows for groups and

20:16 ↗ individuals to engage in the process

20:18 ↗ that's one of our umbrella goals for

20:19 ↗ Title 18 and I think that's basically

20:21 ↗ what we're seeing here and I think

20:23 ↗ they're they're pretty much all

20:24 ↗ applicable just maybe three

20:28 ↗ um rearrange them there's also address

20:30 ↗ current laws and best practices make it

20:32 ↗ easier to understand and organize and

20:34 ↗ provide uh realign with our community

20:37 ↗ aspirations for the city has provided in

20:39 ↗ adopted plans so all of those are okay

20:42 ↗ so what I'm hearing from that is not

20:45 ↗ only do we need some of these specific

20:47 ↗ problems and goals and outcomes but also

20:50 ↗ thinking about the overall process and

20:53 ↗ having some umbrella goals that kind of

20:57 ↗ reflect

20:59 ↗ something that you know we want things

21:02 ↗ to reflect the best practices and all of

21:05 ↗ that okay so I'm gonna maybe note that

21:08 ↗ down as just umbrella goals

21:11 ↗ um and say that that's something for

21:14 ↗ staff to kind of fill in

21:16 ↗ as possible

21:22 ↗ Chris

21:24 ↗ uh so one of the things that I would

21:26 ↗ like to see us accomplish is that the

21:29 ↗ CIP becomes doable

21:31 ↗ that it's not a planning document it's

21:34 ↗ actually a path to executing documents

21:37 ↗ so that we do complete stuff and then we

21:39 ↗ complete stuff every year

21:42 ↗ and so talk through that a little bit

21:44 ↗ more so that we can maybe put it in a

21:48 ↗ statement here because there's a lot to

21:49 ↗ that there's the concept of you know we

21:52 ↗ make significant progress on our things

21:56 ↗ annually yeah yeah and so the the

22:01 ↗ so my frustration with the CIP I'll

22:03 ↗ start it there and then we can figure

22:04 ↗ out what this goal looks like is we talk

22:06 ↗ about a lot of stuff and we plan a lot

22:08 ↗ of stuff and we do nothing I mean we we

22:10 ↗ get very very few things on the CIP come

22:12 ↗ off the CIP because because they're done

22:14 ↗ and and I I really feel strongly that we

22:18 ↗ need to say if we're only going to do

22:20 ↗ one thing this year let's just do one

22:21 ↗ thing and get it done instead of having

22:23 ↗ 17 things going on and everything is

22:26 ↗ just kind of Motoring along for years so

22:29 ↗ we just it's a it's a focus thing

22:32 ↗ um we focus on a couple of successes

22:34 ↗ every year a couple of targets every

22:36 ↗ year and we bring things to closure

22:38 ↗ every year

22:40 ↗ can I ask a question yeah so I'm you

22:44 ↗ know it's a regulatory requirement to

22:46 ↗ the plan yeah I'm wondering if you're

22:48 ↗ thinking about maybe the process within

22:51 ↗ your budget process which is your

22:53 ↗ execution where there's better tracking

22:55 ↗ of what has Council approved in the

22:59 ↗ budget and where that project is because

23:02 ↗ the plan is a plan no one and I I think

23:04 ↗ planning is super great I spent most of

23:06 ↗ my life as a as a planner and and so

23:09 ↗ well oh my god

23:11 ↗ um

23:11 ↗ so no planning is absolutely essential

23:13 ↗ but planning without execution is

23:16 ↗ um not not it's not good so

23:20 ↗ um so it's not that it's not about

23:21 ↗ tracking where we are in the process

23:22 ↗ it's about making a commitment to get

23:24 ↗ things done it's it's about saying we're

23:26 ↗ going to get some stuff done that's all

23:28 ↗ I'm driving for

23:30 ↗ so would you put that down uh under

23:33 ↗ goals as like making progress

23:37 ↗ or I guess I'm tired of progress I want

23:40 ↗ completions and so we can't get it

23:43 ↗ against something

23:45 ↗ I just want to know why we you know I've

23:47 ↗ been on Council for five years uh we put

23:49 ↗ the stoplight in I probably at

23:51 ↗ Providence Point hooray I don't think I

23:54 ↗ can point to anything major to else that

23:56 ↗ we've done

23:57 ↗ so it's just you know kind of um how do

24:00 ↗ we make sure we get stuff done

24:03 ↗ um how do we not only make progress

24:05 ↗ because

24:06 ↗ um but well maybe this is it thank you

24:08 ↗ it's making progress towards very

24:09 ↗ specific milestones and then there's

24:11 ↗ accountability to hitting those

24:12 ↗ milestones and that series of Milestones

24:14 ↗ gets us to completion

24:17 ↗ so progress plus completion I'm going to

24:21 ↗ go Tola Victoria Barb I'm I'm gonna work

24:26 ↗ oh sorry

24:31 ↗ I'm just sort of rip off of what the

24:33 ↗ mayor said

24:34 ↗ um uh some of these things are

24:36 ↗ multi-year right and uh I would hate to

24:40 ↗ I mean I know Chris isn't saying only do

24:42 ↗ things that you can accomplish in a year

24:45 ↗ but you know I understand uh

24:49 ↗ you know let's let's dotsonize across

24:51 ↗ the t's uh the way I think of it is in

24:54 ↗ terms of having more explicit Milestones

24:57 ↗ that people are held to I feel like uh

25:01 ↗ we don't I feel like I often say like

25:03 ↗ what's the next Milestone on this

25:04 ↗ project what's the next Milestone on

25:05 ↗ this project and it may well be the

25:07 ↗ Administration has all those and they

25:08 ↗ just don't bring them to us but I would

25:10 ↗ on these on these capital projects I

25:12 ↗ would be happy if it was a three-year

25:14 ↗ project to hear here's what we're going

25:16 ↗ to do in the first half of 23 here's the

25:18 ↗ second half of 23 here's the first half

25:19 ↗ of 24. here's the second half of 24. and

25:22 ↗ then hold those accountable say we told

25:23 ↗ you we were gonna have this done at the

25:25 ↗ end of June here's where we're at and

25:27 ↗ and that to me it wouldn't be the

25:28 ↗ entirety of what you're talking about

25:30 ↗ but for me it would be a big step

25:31 ↗ forward so putting so so having some

25:34 ↗ mechanism some Cadence of milestones and

25:37 ↗ accountability to the council for major

25:38 ↗ capital projects would be would be

25:41 ↗ instead of restate that under the

25:44 ↗ problems and goals as having Clarity of

25:46 ↗ milestones and accountability of but you

25:49 ↗ know strictly back on those Milestones

25:51 ↗ yeah hi and I don't think that's that

25:55 ↗ far from what I was suggesting yeah

25:56 ↗ exactly I'm kind of tying those two

25:58 ↗ together it has the problem or goal as

26:01 ↗ well as the objective so the objective

26:04 ↗ or the desired outcome that we achieve

26:06 ↗ by having the clarity of milestones and

26:09 ↗ the accountability is that we can see

26:12 ↗ progress toward completion of items and

26:16 ↗ it's not sometimes people would be like

26:18 ↗ give me the next 12 weeks and give me a

26:20 ↗ milestone for each of those weeks it's

26:21 ↗ none of that right for me if you could

26:23 ↗ even do it twice a year on these big

26:25 ↗ projects right an example might be uh

26:28 ↗ our long-term plan for Confluence part

26:30 ↗ right and what are the major half-year

26:32 ↗ Milestones towards what we're doing for

26:34 ↗ College Park thank you

26:36 ↗ okay

26:38 ↗ [Music]

26:39 ↗ um

26:42 ↗ so one of my problems that I feel we

26:47 ↗ have is that uh we don't have a

26:50 ↗ systematic evaluation across the whole

26:53 ↗ CIP or one that's really visible and

26:55 ↗ possible for Council or for the public

26:57 ↗ to engage in to see why certain projects

27:01 ↗ are evaluated or wiser projects are

27:04 ↗ happening certain projects aren't so I

27:06 ↗ think a systematic evaluation that would

27:07 ↗ lead to a prioritization

27:09 ↗ would be great and in my understanding

27:13 ↗ um and in my life looking at what some

27:15 ↗ other cips for other cities do they do

27:17 ↗ this systematic evaluation and a

27:19 ↗ prioritization like with the Matrix and

27:21 ↗ it says this one we need to do because

27:23 ↗ state law says we have to do it and then

27:26 ↗ and that Council doesn't have to talk

27:28 ↗ about that one because it's gonna it's

27:29 ↗ prioritized because it has to be done or

27:32 ↗ this one is done for safety and then we

27:33 ↗ can talk about the merits of that as a

27:35 ↗ Safety project but then we can kind of

27:37 ↗ have a place to grab onto for those

27:40 ↗ discussions and then we can see things

27:42 ↗ prioritized differently potentially

27:44 ↗ based on the needs of the community

27:47 ↗ um so that's really my I think that was

27:49 ↗ one of my

27:51 ↗ um one of my

27:53 ↗ thoughts also as council president

27:55 ↗ because I was council president when we

27:56 ↗ did this process and I felt like our

27:58 ↗ conversations didn't really

28:01 ↗ continue where they left off and part of

28:03 ↗ that was because we didn't have a sort

28:05 ↗ of systematic evaluation that we could

28:07 ↗ then reevaluate the next year and

28:09 ↗ continue to prioritize based on the

28:12 ↗ needs of the community for our next

28:14 ↗ conversation we kind of started from

28:16 ↗ this huge list of things some of which

28:18 ↗ could get done some of which you know

28:21 ↗ are going to be on the back burner for a

28:22 ↗ long time kind of tried to Grapple with

28:24 ↗ the magnitude of all of them but then

28:26 ↗ didn't have a systematic way of

28:28 ↗ evaluating and then that did a carryover

28:30 ↗ and then we did the whole thing again

28:31 ↗ okay

28:33 ↗ I'm sorry I just got a prescription and

28:36 ↗ foreign

28:38 ↗ systematic evaluation missing which I

28:40 ↗ think is good okay

28:43 ↗ so maybe maybe also prioritization yeah

28:46 ↗ criteria and prioritization

28:48 ↗ could be even a separate line

28:56 ↗ and Russell

28:58 ↗ I have two things that I want to focus

29:01 ↗ on first of all

29:02 ↗ um uh Chris's statements are exactly

29:06 ↗ what I was thinking of is that we just

29:09 ↗ in addition to completing the light and

29:12 ↗ Providence Point we put a whole bunch of

29:14 ↗ money into payment Management program we

29:16 ↗ put a whole bunch of money into the

29:17 ↗ concrete Management program and I bet we

29:20 ↗ are the only people in Issaquah that

29:22 ↗ know that that happened

29:24 ↗ um we just need to do a better job of

29:27 ↗ communicating and taking it out of the

29:30 ↗ CID you can't expect people to go to the

29:32 ↗ CIP and understand what it is that we're

29:35 ↗ accomplishing and planning and

29:36 ↗ accomplishing so I in my mind and this

29:39 ↗ is very specific so please just you know

29:42 ↗ I'm just giving an example what if we

29:44 ↗ send out a postcard every six months and

29:46 ↗ said one two three four five you know

29:49 ↗ things that we've done in the area of

29:52 ↗ Transportation or the CRT and as uh as

29:56 ↗ Tola said you know those are the things

29:59 ↗ that public will hold is accountable for

30:01 ↗ because that's that's right in front of

30:02 ↗ them they don't have to go look for it

30:04 ↗ and it's you know it's something very

30:07 ↗ easy you pull it out of the CIT here are

30:10 ↗ the five things we're actually going to

30:11 ↗ plan to get done in 2024 2023 whatever

30:15 ↗ so and then my second is in terms of

30:20 ↗ goals uh process goals

30:24 ↗ um this is the way I wrote it

30:25 ↗ communicate in ways that inform teach

30:29 ↗ and engage community members

30:31 ↗ um and I think if we don't wrap

30:34 ↗ communication into our CRT then we're

30:37 ↗ just not really achieving our goals

30:39 ↗ because the public doesn't understand

30:40 ↗ what we've done for them but we plan to

30:44 ↗ do for them and when we're also where we

30:47 ↗ don't have the resources to do some

30:49 ↗ things for them so so that would be uh I

30:53 ↗ think that's a goal that we the process

30:55 ↗ goal that we need to increase

31:04 ↗ I really like that

31:07 ↗ engaged

31:09 ↗ those are three different levels of

31:12 ↗ teaching to me implies a deeper

31:14 ↗ conversation than just informing I wrote

31:17 ↗ that over here thinking about it

31:19 ↗ yeah we're going yeah okay

31:26 ↗ oh I've got a whole list so don't even

31:29 ↗ worry go ahead

31:32 ↗ I wanted to expand a little bit on the

31:35 ↗ mayor's comment about the budget we went

31:37 ↗ to a two-year budget so that we can have

31:38 ↗ a little bit of a long-range planning in

31:41 ↗ our in our project so

31:43 ↗ um Chris I agree that we should uh watch

31:46 ↗ these projects on a yearly basis to make

31:48 ↗ sure that we're doing what we need to do

31:49 ↗ but

31:51 ↗ um perhaps we should step back a little

31:52 ↗ bit and put it in a two-year context so

31:54 ↗ the budget matches up with what we're

31:57 ↗ tracking a little bit better so that

31:59 ↗ each year we can say this is what we

32:01 ↗ approved in the budget this is where we

32:03 ↗ are with the project and then it's the

32:05 ↗ onus is on Council to learn about those

32:07 ↗ projects and communicate with the

32:09 ↗ administration so that when people come

32:10 ↗ to talk to us and say you know I really

32:13 ↗ would like a stoplight oh well the most

32:15 ↗ recent ones I would really like some

32:17 ↗ speed but I'm just right outside of this

32:18 ↗ Cloud Valley Elementary and so

32:22 ↗ um we can either say that's not on the

32:24 ↗ CIP or that is on the CIP that's going

32:27 ↗ to be done X year and so that we're more

32:30 ↗ knowledgeable about what projects are

32:32 ↗ coming down and when they're going to

32:35 ↗ get done but put it into your context so

32:37 ↗ it matches up the lines with a bunch a

32:39 ↗ little bit more and then we are moving

32:41 ↗ all together with our documents and our

32:43 ↗ information going forward

32:45 ↗ so let me ask a question there the CIP

32:49 ↗ is inherently a six-year document and

32:53 ↗ lists so

32:55 ↗ when projects would be accomplished

32:58 ↗ within that six year where in the first

32:59 ↗ two years are more certain because

33:01 ↗ they're in the budget so what are you

33:04 ↗ proposing that would be different

33:07 ↗ like more certainty

33:09 ↗ long term I just think that when we're

33:13 ↗ well I'll speak for myself when I'm out

33:15 ↗ in the community

33:17 ↗ and people ask

33:18 ↗ when will the transit Terminus be done

33:23 ↗ I can't refer them to a document that

33:26 ↗ kind of gives us a plan to say it's

33:28 ↗ going to be done in 2043 when soundtrack

33:32 ↗ gets here I'm just using an extreme

33:34 ↗ example because we we really don't know

33:35 ↗ where where that's going to be but but

33:37 ↗ if I can say with more certainty that

33:39 ↗ this is on a plan this is when it's

33:42 ↗ going to get done or I can tell the

33:44 ↗ public that it is going to get done this

33:46 ↗ year because we have this commitment I

33:48 ↗ think the council will do a better job

33:50 ↗ of community communicating these things

33:52 ↗ and people will understand products are

33:54 ↗ going to get done they see that this the

33:56 ↗ city is doing well with all the

33:58 ↗ different pieces and that their voice is

34:00 ↗ being heard and something is going to

34:02 ↗ get done that they're concerned about in

34:03 ↗ a specific year of time period

34:07 ↗ um

34:08 ↗ it's kind of like no one wrote anything

34:10 ↗ down that I said that's perfect um

34:26 ↗ [Laughter]

34:35 ↗ uh the other thing would be

34:38 ↗ um

34:38 ↗ a history of how long so I think that um

34:43 ↗ we have all these we have a lot of

34:45 ↗ projects that have been on

34:47 ↗ a more like a wish list

34:49 ↗ um and I think that probably needs to be

34:51 ↗ separated so we have a more realistic

34:54 ↗ look at what is planned on getting done

34:56 ↗ separated from a wish list and part of

34:59 ↗ that is also the history

35:01 ↗ um and there are new council members

35:03 ↗ there are new members of the community

35:04 ↗ who enter the conversation at different

35:06 ↗ points but some of these projects on the

35:08 ↗ wish list have been there for

35:11 ↗ a long time like I think you know more

35:13 ↗ than a decade some of them so uh like

35:16 ↗ the having the history of how long it's

35:17 ↗ been on the CIP but then also the

35:19 ↗ separation of these aspirational items

35:22 ↗ and items that we actually think we are

35:25 ↗ able to get done

35:27 ↗ um the other problem

35:29 ↗ and I see if I can restate that

35:32 ↗ effectively so that we all know we're

35:34 ↗ hearing the same thing so

35:36 ↗ um

35:37 ↗ saying that the CIP is supposed to be

35:40 ↗ things that we will accomplish in six

35:42 ↗ years but we also don't want to lose

35:45 ↗ track of those other things that are

35:48 ↗ maybe on a wish list that we don't see

35:50 ↗ ourselves necessarily completing in six

35:52 ↗ years but we want to keep on in case we

35:54 ↗ can get grant funding or something like

35:57 ↗ that but also have the history of how

36:00 ↗ long they've been there or why

36:02 ↗ yes

36:04 ↗ okay how do I incorporate wishlist I

36:06 ↗ think that's a good I mean the problem

36:08 ↗ is maybe that we have different

36:13 ↗ yeah that we need the real realistic

36:17 ↗ yeah maybe differentiating between a

36:21 ↗ realistic accomplishable and

36:25 ↗ the whole set of projects so like I'll

36:27 ↗ give you an example Bell View has their

36:31 ↗ Planning Commission create I think it's

36:33 ↗ like a 12 year or a 13 year

36:38 ↗ list of Transportation projects and then

36:40 ↗ they boil it down to the CIP and then it

36:43 ↗ comes into the budget

36:46 ↗ and so not being not losing trash with

36:48 ↗ those because it's important to have

36:49 ↗ items on the CIP because we can't get

36:53 ↗ federal and state funding if they're not

36:55 ↗ there yes and that makes sense to put

36:58 ↗ them further out too but then I would

37:01 ↗ want to see how long they've been on

37:02 ↗ that further out of this yeah the other

37:05 ↗ thing is uh Geographic

37:08 ↗ foreign

37:09 ↗ so the problem would be

37:12 ↗ um uneven Geographic coverage of

37:14 ↗ projects we have some neighborhoods that

37:17 ↗ you know different neighborhoods have

37:18 ↗ different infrastructure currently but

37:21 ↗ some of them there are some projects on

37:22 ↗ there that have been there for a long

37:24 ↗ time

37:25 ↗ thank you very much

37:33 ↗ so I'm gonna

37:35 ↗ they not only do we want to be able to

37:37 ↗ visualize and track where projects are

37:41 ↗ happening but maybe have a little bit of

37:43 ↗ an equity component in there yeah and

37:47 ↗ it's really it gets in in this specific

37:50 ↗ example it's about the established

37:52 ↗ neighborhoods versus the growing

37:53 ↗ neighborhoods and it's because of a

37:55 ↗ funding issue with doing these projects

37:58 ↗ that we establish neighborhoods there's

37:59 ↗ new developments there aren't new

38:02 ↗ um he's coming in and they still

38:04 ↗ infrastructure you need so that's the

38:06 ↗ issue so maybe as a problem

38:11 ↗ older established neighborhoods

38:14 ↗ don't have

38:16 ↗ you know these development related

38:19 ↗ projects that improve their

38:21 ↗ infrastructure and so they're just going

38:24 ↗ to add on to that too

38:26 ↗ um it's pretty obvious if you live in

38:28 ↗ squawk mountain or an Old Town that they

38:30 ↗ were built using different street

38:31 ↗ standards that the right of ways are

38:34 ↗ different sizes

38:35 ↗ and so what kind of improvements can you

38:38 ↗ put in those neighborhoods because we

38:40 ↗ can't necessarily put in a house or

38:43 ↗ highness so what is parity or Equity

38:46 ↗ look like when you have a completely

38:49 ↗ different landscape a smaller right of

38:51 ↗ way you know I mean one of the big

38:53 ↗ issues I changed was the squad Mountains

38:55 ↗ trail is the amount of property

38:57 ↗ and so it's kind of frame it so that

39:00 ↗ they're getting the outcome although it

39:03 ↗ may not look exactly like what is my

39:06 ↗ house you need somebody else to take a

39:09 ↗ person

39:12 ↗ yeah Equitable outcome I like that yeah

39:15 ↗ Equitable outcome

39:18 ↗ not

39:20 ↗ the exact same in different

39:22 ↗ neighborhoods

39:31 ↗ I love them

39:33 ↗ some of the posters that are out there

39:35 ↗ and in my mind if I turn that into like

39:37 ↗ a street standard but what I'm seeing

39:39 ↗ doesn't look the same it's not April but

39:42 ↗ it functions yeah it's the community

39:44 ↗ that same yeah

39:47 ↗ foreign

39:58 ↗ Victoria in a big way so um because I

40:01 ↗ loved what you were saying the I'm

40:03 ↗ circling back to having a method and

40:07 ↗ standard for how we prioritize and

40:09 ↗ transparency

40:11 ↗ um the flip side of that is what are our

40:14 ↗ constraints what are our financial

40:15 ↗ constraints what our staff constraints

40:16 ↗ what our Geographic constraints is that

40:19 ↗ we understand our constraints as well as

40:20 ↗ we do our desires because I think that's

40:23 ↗ the that's always pushback and we we do

40:25 ↗ a better job of understanding what we

40:26 ↗ want and not really into a good job

40:28 ↗ understanding what we what the

40:30 ↗ constraints are and so that's I think

40:31 ↗ part of where my uh underlying problem

40:33 ↗ was was rooted the second thing is in

40:36 ↗ the parlance of good program management

40:38 ↗ there's this concept of a backlog of

40:41 ↗ work and that's what really we've got a

40:43 ↗ lot of stuff done at CIP that really

40:45 ↗ needs to be in a backlog and then as we

40:47 ↗ go through periodically we're updating

40:49 ↗ the CIP you re-prioritize your backlog

40:51 ↗ of order and that's that's another thing

40:53 ↗ we don't do we just we kind of just

40:55 ↗ chunk it out there and we just keep

40:57 ↗ pushing it forward without any uh

40:59 ↗ intentionality about oh this one needs

41:02 ↗ to move up in priority so um

41:08 ↗ yeah let me riff back on your resource

41:12 ↗ constraints because part of the problem

41:15 ↗ I see with this is that I think

41:19 ↗ many of the times we're only choosing

41:22 ↗ projects for the CIP

41:24 ↗ based on our cash availability

41:28 ↗ and so the Northwest Sammamish

41:32 ↗ multimodal project is a really good

41:35 ↗ example of where staff kept coming back

41:38 ↗ to us and saying it can't be done we

41:40 ↗ don't have money for it we shouldn't

41:42 ↗ make progress on it why do you want us

41:44 ↗ to move forward and we as Council said

41:47 ↗ because it's a huge priority we're doing

41:51 ↗ the same thing I think with the squawk

41:53 ↗ Mountain

41:55 ↗ um sidewalks is the idea of there isn't

41:59 ↗ funding for it and so it shouldn't be

42:01 ↗ included so my one of my problems with

42:04 ↗ the CIP is that it's based too much on

42:10 ↗ funding

42:12 ↗ capabilities and not enough on what we

42:14 ↗ want to get done

42:19 ↗ um

42:21 ↗ I think that's what you get as Russell

42:24 ↗ said in your off year now is that the

42:27 ↗ plan is the project list but those

42:30 ↗ funding strategies that's what you get

42:32 ↗ to talk about in the song here so for

42:34 ↗ example if you want to go out for a bond

42:36 ↗ you would be deciding that in this year

42:39 ↗ to fund some of those unfunded projects

42:42 ↗ so I think the plan is the plan and then

42:44 ↗ this off year is your year to say well

42:47 ↗ we either deal with the revenues we have

42:49 ↗ or we talk about using our

42:52 ↗ transportation benefit District going

42:54 ↗ for a living left lid or going to the

42:56 ↗ salon and that's why I think this is

42:58 ↗ going to be fun because you have your

43:00 ↗ budget year and then you have this year

43:02 ↗ um so I think you will now be able with

43:04 ↗ this two-year budget to dedicate

43:07 ↗ meaningful time to talk

43:09 ↗ council-led Revenue how to do this I

43:12 ↗ think you're going to get it done first

43:14 ↗ for that concept you need to have the

43:17 ↗ CIP include

43:19 ↗ those items that don't have a directed

43:23 ↗ funding Associated because it's a

43:25 ↗ priority of the community right and so I

43:28 ↗ would say as much as funding needs to be

43:30 ↗ part of the criteria it shouldn't be

43:33 ↗ something that cuts off inclusion

43:37 ↗ in the six-year plan or dictates when it

43:40 ↗ happens

43:49 ↗ no I just wanted to say yes and um

43:53 ↗ because

43:54 ↗ um

43:56 ↗ so there's the funding is one constraint

43:58 ↗ but we also have others and and Wally

44:00 ↗ talked a bit about you know the staff

44:01 ↗ then and then do we have the people to

44:04 ↗ even do the project because the other

44:06 ↗ dude we we always lost that was like

44:07 ↗ just go go figure it out you know and

44:09 ↗ it's just you know figure it out and

44:11 ↗ just figure out it doesn't always work

44:12 ↗ so we need to and there are other

44:14 ↗ constraints other than just the funding

44:15 ↗ and I agree with you we put them on

44:17 ↗ there and then we build a funding

44:18 ↗ package but when we're doing the

44:19 ↗ evaluation about what we're going to do

44:21 ↗ and when it's going to be done you know

44:23 ↗ that's just a factor you know do we have

44:24 ↗ the people to do it do we have the

44:26 ↗ dollars to do it do we have the real

44:28 ↗ estate to do it

44:29 ↗ um and then also got to be factored into

44:31 ↗ what goes on the plan I think that's

44:33 ↗ yeah

44:35 ↗ outcomes factor in resource constraints

44:40 ↗ okay

44:41 ↗ yeah well I just want to say I feel like

44:44 ↗ there was a a high of a meeting last

44:47 ↗ night that we didn't know about because

44:49 ↗ we're talking about

44:52 ↗ um so uh tons of capacity

44:56 ↗ um and I always feel like I'm the person

44:58 ↗ that says more people more people more

44:59 ↗ people but uh what Bali alluded to

45:03 ↗ um

45:04 ↗ um you know we want the engineers to do

45:07 ↗ the engineering job and not have to be

45:09 ↗ communicating all the time

45:11 ↗ if that was my job at Key County um as a

45:14 ↗ community relations planner I answered

45:16 ↗ the phone I took all the questions I did

45:18 ↗ all of that it's uh you need a person

45:21 ↗ who you have to have somebody in place

45:22 ↗ who takes the communications piece so

45:25 ↗ one thing I'd like us to talk about is a

45:28 ↗ CIP Communications person uh adding that

45:31 ↗ capacity and then that does take the

45:33 ↗ load off each year

45:35 ↗ be realistic about it the engineers

45:37 ↗ never completely get away from the

45:39 ↗ communications

45:40 ↗ I mean that that just doesn't happen but

45:43 ↗ if you have a person who takes the phone

45:45 ↗ calls and does all that takes a huge

45:47 ↗ version of your engineering staff and

45:50 ↗ then the other thing that is right here

45:52 ↗ on my list is transportation benefit

45:54 ↗ District so thank you for your poly

45:57 ↗ but if we're going to talk about

45:59 ↗ resources you've got to start talking

46:01 ↗ about how to refrigerate the TBD you get

46:04 ↗ that you know our conversation started

46:07 ↗ at that point about how are we going to

46:09 ↗ fund the projects

46:13 ↗ and planning don't get done but we've

46:15 ↗ got to go I guess we have to be more

46:17 ↗ aggressive about going out after commune

46:19 ↗ resources so anyway okay so restating

46:25 ↗ um

46:26 ↗ so maybe what I'm hearing is

46:31 ↗ in order to be a it's not really a CIP

46:34 ↗ problem so much as we need to be

46:37 ↗ effectively staffed to accomplish the

46:40 ↗ CIP not only in the doers but also the

46:45 ↗ communicators

46:46 ↗ [Music]

46:47 ↗ and then

46:50 ↗ secondarily that we are utilizing our

46:55 ↗ available funding sources

46:58 ↗ maybe utilizing more funding sources

47:01 ↗ than we have historically

47:07 ↗ yeah

47:09 ↗ yes

47:14 ↗ but toward that idea you know there are

47:16 ↗ other new revenues including councilman

47:19 ↗ and bonds or whatever yeah

47:23 ↗ lift you know there's there's lots of

47:26 ↗ other opportunities which we as a

47:28 ↗ council because or we as a city have

47:31 ↗ grown up very quickly from a small City

47:34 ↗ to had a lot of development dollars that

47:38 ↗ came in and now we're kind of at this

47:41 ↗ point where we have to go okay wait we

47:43 ↗ have a lot of huge obligations and we

47:45 ↗ need the funding to accomplish that so

47:48 ↗ yeah

47:50 ↗ oh that is fine

47:52 ↗ um Zach you want to add any I'll review

47:55 ↗ my list

47:59 ↗ um yeah so foreign

48:02 ↗ sure

48:07 ↗ teamwork yes describe

48:13 ↗ um server leadership so the first thing

48:15 ↗ the first thing that I wrote down as a

48:17 ↗ problem is that we need to incorporate

48:19 ↗ Equity somehow in the project selection

48:21 ↗ we kind of have that down somewhere I

48:24 ↗ think we have Geographic Equity yeah but

48:27 ↗ I think thinking about it more broadly

48:30 ↗ too

48:31 ↗ I don't know how we do that how we

48:33 ↗ approach that that seems like a very

48:35 ↗ tall order and tasks Define how we do

48:37 ↗ that but it needs to be captured as a

48:39 ↗ goal

48:40 ↗ um

48:42 ↗ um so could that be maybe factored into

48:45 ↗ criteria for project selection if we're

48:47 ↗ able to Define it in a way that works

48:49 ↗ city-wide yeah that could absolutely be

48:52 ↗ a question just a clarification on that

48:55 ↗ um can you describe what the um what's

48:57 ↗ successful I mean I'm gonna work I mean

48:58 ↗ stealing from Total what success would

49:00 ↗ look like if we did that what would we

49:02 ↗ have I think that would help people kind

49:03 ↗ of frame it too well there are a number

49:05 ↗ of ways to think about equities so first

49:07 ↗ defining what that is and then based

49:09 ↗ upon that ensuring there are more

49:11 ↗ Equitable outcomes so it could be racial

49:13 ↗ equivalent racial Equity outcomes it

49:16 ↗ could be based on the alternative

49:17 ↗ geography it could be he's talking about

49:20 ↗ proximity to I-90 where you have and

49:23 ↗ economics

49:24 ↗ so there are tons of like I feel I feel

49:27 ↗ like a mission and really kind of

49:29 ↗ getting through

49:30 ↗ how do we actually Define equity and

49:32 ↗ make it a measurable thing

49:35 ↗ um will help us kind of have that

49:37 ↗ discussion about what success looks like

49:38 ↗ but yeah I know something we have to be

49:41 ↗ mindful of the whole process so anyways

49:44 ↗ Equity has to be a part of this somehow

49:47 ↗ um

49:50 ↗ um I think success for what we would

49:52 ↗ define success in our city looks

49:54 ↗ different than Seattle or another city

49:57 ↗ in that we have uh in our census data we

50:01 ↗ can see that we have pockets where we

50:04 ↗ have lower income housing where we have

50:07 ↗ more individuals with disabilities or

50:09 ↗ seniors with more mobility issues and so

50:12 ↗ we would then be able to look at you

50:14 ↗ know blockways Pathways proximity to

50:16 ↗ Parks

50:18 ↗ yeah all of that and and so our

50:21 ↗ definition is going to look very

50:23 ↗ different than any other services well

50:25 ↗ and it's going to look different now

50:26 ↗ than it will in 14 years too because the

50:29 ↗ makeup of this call of different

50:30 ↗ behaviors as well so doing this work now

50:32 ↗ I think will help us for the future

50:36 ↗ um

50:36 ↗ I also wrote unclear how projects from

50:39 ↗ strategic planning docs are Incorporated

50:41 ↗ so we've kind of already talked about

50:42 ↗ that a little bit I think part of that

50:43 ↗ is honoring the work of reports on

50:45 ↗ commissions and the vision of the plans

50:47 ↗ that they've worked on but the other

50:50 ↗ part that I've been thinking about is

50:52 ↗ you know can we be more active in

50:54 ↗ pursuing

50:56 ↗ emerging innovative solutions to

50:59 ↗ infrastructure so like what comes to

51:01 ↗ mind is The Pedestrian scramble or the

51:03 ↗ hallway crosswalk that we put in on

51:04 ↗ Wheels but are there other Cutting Edge

51:07 ↗ Technologies or approaches that are

51:09 ↗ being applied elsewhere that are

51:10 ↗ dreaming about successful outcomes that

51:12 ↗ we can try like how can we be cutting

51:14 ↗ edge here is a block so I mean one

51:15 ↗ desired outcome is then you know that is

51:19 ↗ um in our we are using Innovative

51:22 ↗ approaches to solve infrastructure

51:24 ↗ problems

51:26 ↗ um and again a lot of that comes from

51:29 ↗ our plans so I see that as kind of as

51:31 ↗ plans are incorporated into it because

51:33 ↗ our plans are current

51:36 ↗ um Innovative approaches follow along

51:39 ↗ um

51:40 ↗ many projects with minor and major

51:42 ↗ challenges

51:44 ↗ um as we've seen by reviewing the CIP

51:47 ↗ document that was included in our packet

51:50 ↗ so just

51:52 ↗ being better from a Council planning

51:54 ↗ perspective from an administrative

51:55 ↗ perspective to better anticipate what we

51:57 ↗ can actually accomplish at Beth and I

51:59 ↗ think we've already touched on yeah

52:01 ↗ um

52:02 ↗ uh projects lack identified funding

52:04 ↗ sources we got into that definitely

52:06 ↗ agree with Barb that you know utilizing

52:09 ↗ available Revenue sources

52:11 ↗ um to actually bring these projects to

52:14 ↗ fruition this is important I think

52:16 ↗ another part of this too is we have all

52:19 ↗ these Revenue tools available to us that

52:21 ↗ we choose not to use

52:22 ↗ for one reason or another why and I

52:25 ↗ think also just being clear about if we

52:28 ↗ choose not to do it why because

52:29 ↗ otherwise that's investment left on the

52:32 ↗ table and I think you got to be able to

52:34 ↗ explain why we choose not to do that

52:36 ↗ because there are always costs

52:38 ↗ position it also means that our current

52:41 ↗ residents are bearing the burden of the

52:45 ↗ costs rather than the future residents

52:47 ↗ who will also benefit from those

52:51 ↗ expenses

52:56 ↗ um

52:58 ↗ I'm I'm clear I'm going to three four

53:02 ↗ five more um unclear project selection

53:04 ↗ criteria so we actually do have a

53:07 ↗ project selection criteria Matrix in the

53:09 ↗ CIP and I was kind of looking at that

53:11 ↗ but it only describes the projects that

53:13 ↗ are in this year

53:15 ↗ so I have no way of knowing projects

53:17 ↗ that are on the future year list or that

53:19 ↗ just aren't in the CIP how do those

53:21 ↗ compare to the projects that were

53:23 ↗ selected to be in the CIP so

53:26 ↗ um it makes it difficult to determine

53:27 ↗ priority or evaluating timing of

53:31 ↗ projects when

53:33 ↗ um criteria are just for the projects in

53:35 ↗ the CIP

53:37 ↗ um

53:38 ↗ uh and toward that idea I think we've

53:42 ↗ also come up with

53:44 ↗ like each of our plans and I

53:46 ↗ particularly look at the master Mobility

53:50 ↗ project or plan has a clear set of

53:53 ↗ criteria for transportation and then it

53:57 ↗ created a ranking mechanism but the CIP

54:01 ↗ isn't just Transportation so the idea of

54:05 ↗ being able to prioritize spending of

54:08 ↗ cross

54:10 ↗ departments or

54:12 ↗ you know kind of type of infrastructure

54:15 ↗ is one of the problems that I don't

54:18 ↗ think we currently

54:22 ↗ yeah yeah

54:23 ↗ and the other part of that point that I

54:26 ↗ wanted to bring up is you know we do

54:27 ↗ have the project selection criteria

54:30 ↗ ideas listed in the CIP it's addressing

54:33 ↗ life and safety concerns Community

54:35 ↗ priority confirmation Conformity to

54:38 ↗ strategic plan goals environmental

54:40 ↗ impacts identified funding source and

54:42 ↗ then replacement or repair of existing

54:44 ↗ infrastructure so I think another thing

54:46 ↗ for us to consider is does that current

54:48 ↗ set of criteria support a particular

54:51 ↗ vision of infrastructure investment and

54:54 ↗ is that aligned with our vision for

54:57 ↗ infrastructure investment in the city

54:58 ↗ too I think that that in and of itself

55:00 ↗ could potentially be a meeting

55:02 ↗ um so I just want to make sure that's on

55:04 ↗ there so I think yeah we've got project

55:06 ↗ selection criteria there I also think

55:09 ↗ it's unclear how Community input is

55:12 ↗ considered so I just well I was thinking

55:15 ↗ about this

55:16 ↗ um a few days ago I was thinking about

55:19 ↗ how Stacy always used to say like what

55:20 ↗ would the stranger think or How would

55:22 ↗ how do we bring the stranger into this

55:24 ↗ work and so beyond hosting I think we

55:27 ↗ host the community meeting and then we

55:28 ↗ have a public hearing and it might even

55:29 ↗ be two Community meetings and then a

55:31 ↗ public hearing for the CIP you know how

55:33 ↗ do we capture broad diverse Community

55:35 ↗ feedback and bring that into

55:38 ↗ how we think about project selection and

55:41 ↗ could the community survey potentially

55:43 ↗ inform CIP development or other types of

55:47 ↗ neighborhood-based surveys could that

55:48 ↗ important that so I've just been kind of

55:51 ↗ thinking about yeah exactly good this is

55:54 ↗ our outcome yeah yeah we're capturing

55:56 ↗ broad community in engagement and using

55:59 ↗ them

56:01 ↗ um how are we develop the CFE

56:03 ↗ um

56:12 ↗ at this point

56:15 ↗ um spending so we've kind of already

56:17 ↗ talked a little bit about this with

56:18 ↗ geographic distribution but I feel like

56:22 ↗ um the cfp could but there's an

56:24 ↗ opportunity to have spending breakdown

56:25 ↗ summaries in there I've noticed it in

56:27 ↗ other cities

56:29 ↗ um whether it be maintenance versus new

56:31 ↗ construction so we can get a good sense

56:33 ↗ of how we're spending on that or

56:36 ↗ neighborhood versus districts so we have

56:37 ↗ a good Geographic understanding

56:40 ↗ um so anyways yeah just thinking how

56:43 ↗ could we present the data digitally or

56:46 ↗ differently within the document is

56:48 ↗ something I've been thinking about

56:50 ↗ um

56:51 ↗ foreign

56:53 ↗ we also talked let's see let me talk a

56:57 ↗ little bit about Milestones earlier I

56:59 ↗ was I actually wrote I don't have any

57:00 ↗ thoughts on this but I wrote projects

57:02 ↗ like phasing

57:04 ↗ um at least from a planning perspective

57:05 ↗ in the document I don't know if that's a

57:07 ↗ good or a bad thing

57:09 ↗ um I'm sure on the back end from you

57:11 ↗ know this is calls makers we don't get

57:13 ↗ to see all all the planning documents

57:16 ↗ that staff have but is there a benefit

57:18 ↗ in some way of phasing out projects so

57:22 ↗ they exist as multiple projects in the

57:25 ↗ CIP and they can actually tick the Box

57:27 ↗ off one like

57:30 ↗ I don't know the answer to that I just

57:31 ↗ wanted to put that out there and staff

57:33 ↗ with any thoughts are you interested

57:34 ↗ well let me rip on that a little bit

57:37 ↗ because I think in our current CIP

57:40 ↗ sometimes the design of a project is

57:43 ↗ separate from the actual construction

57:45 ↗ and sometimes they're together and we

57:49 ↗ fund a Project's design when we don't

57:52 ↗ have funding for the actual build and

57:55 ↗ then the design ends up being 10 or 20

57:57 ↗ years old by the time we get funding for

58:01 ↗ that project so toward that idea you

58:05 ↗ know

58:07 ↗ better understanding the connection

58:09 ↗ between design and construction both in

58:14 ↗ funding and tracking of projects and

58:19 ↗ again I'm not sure whether it's better

58:21 ↗ to have them separate so that we can

58:24 ↗ check the box but then that risks having

58:27 ↗ a 10 year old design by the time we have

58:29 ↗ funding for the actual project or

58:31 ↗ whether it's better to have them

58:33 ↗ connected and say we don't spend money

58:35 ↗ on design until we know we have money

58:37 ↗ for

58:39 ↗ concept

58:47 ↗ ual but we typically don't spend design

58:49 ↗ dollars until I don't know that we have

58:52 ↗ any 10 year old design s yeah Concepts

58:58 ↗ I was thinking of uh

59:00 ↗ I'm gonna say it was like Newport it's

59:03 ↗ on our Newport designs yeah

59:10 ↗ okay

59:11 ↗ making the engineering world

59:14 ↗ there's like a 30 60 90 full package

59:17 ↗ you're seeing a concept so maybe we're

59:21 ↗ at 30 percent but you're not seeing a

59:23 ↗ design

59:23 ↗ so I put better understand relationship

59:26 ↗ between funding and design concept for

59:29 ↗ those of us who aren't Engineers yes

59:33 ↗ just you know wanted to make sure to

59:35 ↗ throw that out there

59:37 ↗ yeah um the last thing that I had

59:40 ↗ um is

59:42 ↗ um that the CIP the document itself

59:45 ↗ lacks

59:46 ↗ um like a compelling Vision like guiding

59:49 ↗ principles so like you look at our

59:50 ↗ strategic planning documents and they

59:52 ↗ paint a vision for what future the

59:54 ↗ future of this club looks like

59:56 ↗ um the mobility master plan those the

59:58 ↗ central issue plan in particular does

1:00:00 ↗ this really well in terms of describing

1:00:02 ↗ what central Issa ball looks and feels

1:00:04 ↗ like to the people who live there and

1:00:05 ↗ use that space so I've been thinking it

1:00:09 ↗ would be good for our CIP to also

1:00:11 ↗ reflect that to say you know what's the

1:00:14 ↗ combined impact of our investment of

1:00:17 ↗ these investments in the community

1:00:18 ↗ what's the difference to the community

1:00:22 ↗ um and what will this call look like in

1:00:24 ↗ six years 12 years 20 years 50 years

1:00:27 ↗ um just kind of thinking more long term

1:00:29 ↗ in

1:00:30 ↗ I think it'll be better for the

1:00:32 ↗ community to be able to digest kind of

1:00:34 ↗ what our infrastructure vision is by

1:00:36 ↗ seeing kind of some narrative I actually

1:00:38 ↗ think that can be very easily

1:00:39 ↗ accomplished in the mayor's letter

1:00:41 ↗ um and and just pulling in some of the

1:00:43 ↗ language from our strategic planning

1:00:45 ↗ documents and then

1:00:46 ↗ um talking about what the vision of

1:00:48 ↗ Council in the city is there so anyways

1:00:50 ↗ those are the problems I

1:00:52 ↗ think

1:00:53 ↗ this is good so this is a one-on-one

1:00:56 ↗ question

1:00:58 ↗ um so I did review the CIP incorporation

1:01:00 ↗ for this week and our P are things put

1:01:03 ↗ on the CIP by the date that they come in

1:01:06 ↗ I mean there's no Rhyme or Reason to how

1:01:09 ↗ I mean they are listed under categories

1:01:11 ↗ but again you're a citizen who decides

1:01:15 ↗ to look at the CNB and

1:01:18 ↗ why is this one you know on page one and

1:01:21 ↗ why is this from page five and there's

1:01:23 ↗ just an arrival reason for why things

1:01:25 ↗ are the way they are as far as I know

1:01:27 ↗ now there may be a good rhyming reason

1:01:30 ↗ that that is the process of getting

1:01:32 ↗ things on the CIP but uh what Zach was

1:01:35 ↗ saying uh here again communication

1:01:37 ↗ communication

1:01:39 ↗ someone just coming to look at the CIP

1:01:41 ↗ why are things listed the way they are I

1:01:44 ↗ can't figure it out myself so

1:01:47 ↗ um maybe we take that document and try

1:01:49 ↗ to put it in a way that the community

1:01:50 ↗ would better understand by here are the

1:01:53 ↗ projects we've used by when they'll be

1:01:56 ↗ completed 2024 projects since our 2025

1:02:00 ↗ projects some other way of organizing it

1:02:03 ↗ so it's a little bit more understandable

1:02:04 ↗ for the public

1:02:06 ↗ yes well and I think we also have to

1:02:08 ↗ come to groups that documents are

1:02:10 ↗ uploaded

1:02:12 ↗ is that documents are as a way to

1:02:15 ↗ communicate or outmoded yes absolutely

1:02:18 ↗ right and so you all need to help us

1:02:20 ↗ with that because our preference would

1:02:22 ↗ be not to have a CIP

1:02:25 ↗ because of all the things you've talked

1:02:27 ↗ about that there should be a dashboard

1:02:29 ↗ that you can pick based on

1:02:32 ↗ you know streets based on buildings

1:02:34 ↗ based on Parks click into it see

1:02:36 ↗ projects get project information that

1:02:39 ↗ way that's more Dynamic

1:02:41 ↗ um

1:02:42 ↗ you need to tell us if that's okay our

1:02:45 ↗ preference is not to make the best

1:02:47 ↗ document that we print out for you and

1:02:49 ↗ put in your seats because that's not

1:02:51 ↗ very Cutting Edge right we're talking

1:02:53 ↗ Cutting Edge what is is not a document

1:02:56 ↗ at all but really just a place that

1:02:58 ↗ people can access information

1:03:05 ↗ I promised I was going to be quiet this

1:03:07 ↗ morning

1:03:10 ↗ [Laughter]

1:03:16 ↗ maybe I'll just go make a Starbucks

1:03:19 ↗ yeah I was thinking about when you're

1:03:21 ↗ talking about the postcards because we

1:03:23 ↗ had a conversation in one of our

1:03:24 ↗ committees about postcards and nobody

1:03:26 ↗ you know everybody just throws away

1:03:28 ↗ postcard we get so much junk mail so

1:03:31 ↗ um Dale on the Communications Department

1:03:32 ↗ are doing a great job rethinking our

1:03:35 ↗ dashboards and you know and bringing in

1:03:37 ↗ our GIS and I think that that could be

1:03:40 ↗ but but the challenge is how do you get

1:03:42 ↗ people to go look for yeah and so we're

1:03:44 ↗ still I mean Autumn's still sitting up

1:03:46 ↗ she hasn't fallen off her chair yet so

1:03:48 ↗ that's good

1:03:50 ↗ um because she can spend the rest of the

1:03:51 ↗ morning talking about postcards yeah but

1:03:53 ↗ but but I think the administration does

1:03:57 ↗ think that from time to time we've got

1:03:59 ↗ to poke people yeah um and so we have to

1:04:02 ↗ just figure out what the best way to do

1:04:04 ↗ that we did a postcard last year

1:04:07 ↗ um

1:04:07 ↗ Olive and I won 16 rounds on that

1:04:10 ↗ postcard about the Strategic plan and

1:04:13 ↗ we've got very little

1:04:15 ↗ connection from it so but it's an

1:04:19 ↗ ongoing issue that we have that no no

1:04:21 ↗ Community is quite sorted out no and I

1:04:24 ↗ and I totally agree and I understand all

1:04:25 ↗ postcard issues so it's uh but in some

1:04:29 ↗ way like you said a pumping people

1:04:30 ↗ because there's a certain group and

1:04:32 ↗ probably majority that will come to the

1:04:34 ↗ website but then there are people who

1:04:35 ↗ will never come to the web yeah so how

1:04:37 ↗ do we you know how do we reach those

1:04:39 ↗ proportions well so yeah it doesn't have

1:04:42 ↗ to be a postcard

1:04:48 ↗ um I will add you guys have hit most

1:04:51 ↗ everything

1:04:53 ↗ but one thing that just absolutely kills

1:04:57 ↗ me is we don't have a clear

1:04:58 ↗ understanding of what percentage we

1:05:01 ↗ spend on maintenance versus new

1:05:03 ↗ construction we don't have a set of

1:05:07 ↗ criteria that says we should accomplish

1:05:10 ↗ this much maintenance before we do new

1:05:13 ↗ build

1:05:14 ↗ um so I think maintenance in general is

1:05:18 ↗ one of my problems but also the

1:05:21 ↗ prioritization

1:05:23 ↗ of that in criteria and overall spending

1:05:28 ↗ so if we're looking at this on how would

1:05:31 ↗ we evaluate spending one of the ways I

1:05:33 ↗ would want to do that or a project

1:05:35 ↗ selection one of the ways I would want

1:05:37 ↗ to do that is via a map

1:05:40 ↗ um

1:05:41 ↗ but another way I would want to do it is

1:05:43 ↗ how much are we spending on maintenance

1:05:46 ↗ and repair versus new construction

1:05:55 ↗ this is fascinating and I was just kind

1:05:58 ↗ of thinking about what Wally was talking

1:06:00 ↗ about with the dashboard and then

1:06:01 ↗ Lindsay where you were going and

1:06:04 ↗ you know maybe we need some clarity on

1:06:06 ↗ why we're doing a CIP I mean there's the

1:06:08 ↗ legal reasons why we're doing the CIP

1:06:09 ↗ for pending but I wish I should maybe

1:06:12 ↗ you know exactly you're saying take a

1:06:14 ↗ step back and ask the why why do we do

1:06:16 ↗ this because I think that might help

1:06:18 ↗ inform some of these discussions you

1:06:20 ↗ know is maintenance really a capital

1:06:22 ↗ Improvement like maybe kind of and so

1:06:25 ↗ how does but how does it bounce up

1:06:27 ↗ against uh

1:06:29 ↗ new construction I mean and and so the

1:06:32 ↗ why about here's the purpose of the CIP

1:06:35 ↗ for the council here's the purpose of

1:06:38 ↗ the CIP for the public here's the

1:06:40 ↗ purpose of the CIP for um City staff so

1:06:44 ↗ that we can make sure that we're we're

1:06:46 ↗ zeroing in on all of those

1:06:48 ↗ different needs because I think

1:06:50 ↗ everyone's got a different different

1:06:51 ↗ need for it yeah yeah so one of the

1:06:54 ↗ problems right now is we have one

1:06:57 ↗ document that speaks to multiple

1:07:00 ↗ different stakeholders with different

1:07:01 ↗ needs

1:07:03 ↗ so yeah yeah

1:07:06 ↗ interesting

1:07:08 ↗ okay

1:07:10 ↗ um

1:07:12 ↗ and then one problem I have is just that

1:07:17 ↗ we've started projects in the past I

1:07:20 ↗ just have one more so I think most

1:07:22 ↗ people don't need yeah yes

1:07:29 ↗ we've started projects in the past

1:07:34 ↗ of like completing them I guess I kind

1:07:37 ↗ of said that earlier with relationship

1:07:39 ↗ to design money versus

1:07:44 ↗ um construction and the separation so

1:07:47 ↗ I think that was all I had listed out

1:07:53 ↗ so

1:07:59 ↗ so what we've created is kind of a

1:08:02 ↗ amalgamation of a list of some things

1:08:05 ↗ that might be correctly categorized into

1:08:08 ↗ a problem or goals something that might

1:08:10 ↗ be correctly categorized or not into an

1:08:13 ↗ outcome or objective what I'm hoping at

1:08:17 ↗ this point though is that we can give

1:08:19 ↗ all of that to staff

1:08:22 ↗ and have staff come forward with kind of

1:08:27 ↗ a more coherent

1:08:30 ↗ set of

1:08:31 ↗ columns and connected actions and such

1:08:34 ↗ and you're all happy with what you had

1:08:37 ↗ for Title 18 I mean that you touched on

1:08:39 ↗ at the very beginning of the discussion

1:08:41 ↗ um but that kind of framework because I

1:08:43 ↗ think councilmember hunt kind of you

1:08:45 ↗ know stole stole the headline with with

1:08:47 ↗ the goals be somewhat generic that could

1:08:50 ↗ be yeah the umbrella goals use that or

1:08:55 ↗ is our guide

1:08:56 ↗ and so it would look a lot like the

1:08:58 ↗ title League team one that's not a bad

1:08:59 ↗ thing in your mind

1:09:01 ↗ [Laughter]

1:09:03 ↗ actually I've already created the

1:09:05 ↗ SharePoint you know document for you

1:09:07 ↗ which one is a confirmed

1:09:11 ↗ there would be very much like no

1:09:15 ↗ um

1:09:16 ↗ okay so at this point I think we

1:09:22 ↗ let's see we're supposed to have 30

1:09:24 ↗ minutes for

1:09:25 ↗ rethinking the plan what's missing Etc

1:09:28 ↗ and then we have a break can I ask a

1:09:32 ↗ quick operation question we're running

1:09:34 ↗ low on cost

1:09:37 ↗ um are people looking to have fresh

1:09:39 ↗ coffee in 30 minutes yes

1:09:47 ↗ I just wanted to make sure it might not

1:09:50 ↗ be great

1:09:53 ↗ they have

1:09:55 ↗ nothing why don't I go disconnect can I

1:09:57 ↗ just go to Starbucks

1:10:02 ↗ anybody want a donut or anything

1:10:05 ↗ um

1:10:12 ↗ or do I need to go to Starbucks I don't

1:10:15 ↗ know if they'll have both coins

1:10:19 ↗ I'll go to Starbucks okay so one one one

1:10:22 ↗ one container will be enough you think

1:10:24 ↗ for the break you want me to pre-order

1:10:26 ↗ it

1:10:26 ↗ [Laughter]

1:10:29 ↗ [Applause]

1:10:34 ↗ [Laughter]

1:10:38 ↗ yeah

1:10:39 ↗ I just love coffee that's a good call so

1:10:43 ↗ at this point we can either take our 15

1:10:44 ↗ minute break here

1:10:46 ↗ um or we can continue on with the next

1:10:49 ↗ portion which is the what's missing

1:10:53 ↗ um portion which is supposed to be 30

1:10:55 ↗ minutes preferences

1:10:56 ↗ keep rolling okay fantastic so

1:11:01 ↗ um

1:11:03 ↗ Andrea do you have a staff presentation

1:11:07 ↗ I do thank you fantastic Tish and I are

1:11:11 ↗ working out uh file sharing and screen

1:11:13 ↗ sharing oh yeah

1:11:21 ↗ um

1:11:25 ↗ [Music]

1:11:32 ↗ thank you

1:11:34 ↗ um so let me

1:11:37 ↗ see on here

1:11:38 ↗ [Music]

1:11:49 ↗ yeah

1:12:08 ↗ which is all okay

1:12:15 ↗ um

1:12:55 ↗ I don't know

1:12:59 ↗ okay so this next section is all about

1:13:04 ↗ you know what should be in the CIP and

1:13:10 ↗ what compared to what currently is so

1:13:13 ↗ Andrea to take it away thank you uh and

1:13:16 ↗ I really enjoyed if we can go to the

1:13:18 ↗ November

1:13:21 ↗ please um I really enjoyed that last

1:13:23 ↗ exercise it was very interesting I think

1:13:25 ↗ we're going to see some things uh

1:13:27 ↗ overlap the Administration has also come

1:13:29 ↗ up with a couple of goals for this VIP

1:13:30 ↗ update

1:13:32 ↗ um but certainly learned a lot more from

1:13:34 ↗ your past exercise so thank you for that

1:13:36 ↗ uh we have

1:13:39 ↗ um

1:13:40 ↗ as it says here on this slide we have uh

1:13:43 ↗ brainstorm some of our own goals for

1:13:45 ↗ this VIP update the first is uh to

1:13:48 ↗ provide more clarity over how projects

1:13:50 ↗ are selected from City plans like the

1:13:53 ↗ master Mobility plan the it's called

1:13:55 ↗ climate action plan Etc and vetted into

1:13:59 ↗ the CIP we want to provide more clarity

1:14:01 ↗ on that and

1:14:02 ↗ um part of that includes our criteria

1:14:04 ↗ that we use for these projects Deputy

1:14:06 ↗ council president Paul was talking about

1:14:08 ↗ our criteria that we use we want to

1:14:09 ↗ clarify those criteria and how they're

1:14:11 ↗ used to vet projects to get into the the

1:14:13 ↗ CIP we also want to propose a realistic

1:14:16 ↗ CIP of CIP that we are confident we can

1:14:19 ↗ accomplish given the resources that we

1:14:22 ↗ have so not just funding but also

1:14:26 ↗ looking at things like the global supply

1:14:28 ↗ chain which has really affected our

1:14:31 ↗ projects over the past two years also

1:14:33 ↗ looking at our staffing constraints and

1:14:35 ↗ Staffing capacity we want to be able to

1:14:37 ↗ staff for these capital projects that we

1:14:40 ↗ just haven't really been really done

1:14:41 ↗ that in a great way

1:14:43 ↗ um over the past few years

1:14:45 ↗ in addition one of our goals is to

1:14:49 ↗ implement the Community Capital Finance

1:14:51 ↗ task force

1:14:55 ↗ so we're going to be talking a little

1:14:56 ↗ bit about that we don't want to start

1:14:57 ↗ over with this CIP but build on some of

1:14:59 ↗ the work that was done last year and the

1:15:01 ↗ feedback we've received from our

1:15:02 ↗ community so far also we want to address

1:15:05 ↗ funding tools for facilities for Public

1:15:09 ↗ Safety relief in 2023 and we're going to

1:15:12 ↗ talk more about that later on today and

1:15:15 ↗ then we want to

1:15:17 ↗ devise a process where the boards and

1:15:20 ↗ the commissions have a meaningful role

1:15:22 ↗ our CIP update two years ago involved

1:15:25 ↗ our boards uh boards and commissions

1:15:27 ↗ more than they have really been involved

1:15:29 ↗ in this step of the process of the CIP

1:15:31 ↗ and we heard some feedback from them

1:15:32 ↗ that it wasn't really clear what their

1:15:34 ↗ role was there was some confusion so we

1:15:36 ↗ want to improve upon that this year with

1:15:38 ↗ the lessons that we learned from last

1:15:39 ↗ time and we also have a goal of

1:15:43 ↗ um

1:15:43 ↗ uh clarifying the role of the council

1:15:46 ↗ committees last big CIP update that we

1:15:49 ↗ did two years ago we didn't have these

1:15:51 ↗ set of committees and so that's new and

1:15:53 ↗ thinking about what the relationship is

1:15:54 ↗ with the Committees their role in

1:15:56 ↗ oversight over what goes into the CIP

1:15:58 ↗ and then how that fits into this larger

1:16:01 ↗ picture of community involvement

1:16:03 ↗ um

1:16:03 ↗ and uh and how we create the CID

1:16:09 ↗ the toy around with my placement and all

1:16:11 ↗ these cameras of things uh so

1:16:16 ↗ um so that's that's pretty much

1:16:19 ↗ um

1:16:20 ↗ so we already went through that activity

1:16:22 ↗ with you so now

1:16:24 ↗ um we want to talk about

1:16:28 ↗ uh so now we want to talk about what's

1:16:30 ↗ what's missing out of the CIP what are

1:16:32 ↗ some of the community needs outside of

1:16:34 ↗ the adopted plans and we're going to

1:16:35 ↗ turn to you and ask that question but

1:16:37 ↗ first I want to provide a little bit

1:16:39 ↗ more information about what goes into

1:16:41 ↗ the CIP what are the sources for this

1:16:43 ↗ CIP what are the things that we consider

1:16:45 ↗ and um next slide please

1:16:48 ↗ and so um

1:16:50 ↗ hopefully you can see from this graphic

1:16:52 ↗ uh CIP is in the middle and then we have

1:16:55 ↗ a lot of different plans that feed into

1:16:57 ↗ this CIP so I mentioned some of them

1:16:58 ↗ before the master Mobility plan we have

1:17:01 ↗ the Water Systems plan we have the

1:17:03 ↗ Strategic plan we have the sewer plan

1:17:06 ↗ the storm and surface water master plan

1:17:08 ↗ some of these plans are coming to you in

1:17:09 ↗ the next couple of months by the way uh

1:17:11 ↗ before we finalize the CIP so we're

1:17:14 ↗ going to be seeing some of these new

1:17:15 ↗ things including the transit plan that's

1:17:18 ↗ a new item that the city is working on

1:17:20 ↗ this year there's going to be some items

1:17:21 ↗ some capital projects coming out of that

1:17:24 ↗ plan early in advance to try to get into

1:17:25 ↗ this year's CIP also the its fund

1:17:28 ↗ intelligent Transportation Systems

1:17:30 ↗ that's those smart signals that we were

1:17:32 ↗ talking about a couple years ago we've

1:17:33 ↗ started working on that plan you're

1:17:35 ↗ going to see a lot more of that in the

1:17:36 ↗ next two months

1:17:37 ↗ um so I'm creating previewing to you

1:17:39 ↗ some of the things coming ahead that you

1:17:40 ↗ haven't seen yet that are going to be

1:17:42 ↗ feeding into this VIP so what happens is

1:17:45 ↗ we look at we create these plans

1:17:48 ↗ facilities plan is another thing that

1:17:50 ↗ we're working on uh right now that we're

1:17:51 ↗ gonna have a lot more conversations

1:17:52 ↗ about over the next couple of months

1:17:54 ↗ that will feed into the CIP so what

1:17:57 ↗ typically happens with our process is we

1:17:59 ↗ have something like the the Water

1:18:01 ↗ Systems plan or the master Mobility plan

1:18:03 ↗ and they we go through a public process

1:18:07 ↗ to form these plants we have Community

1:18:09 ↗ feedback all along the way in creating

1:18:11 ↗ these plans we have board commission

1:18:14 ↗ involvement creating these plans and

1:18:16 ↗ then they're adopted by Council so the

1:18:19 ↗ board involvement commission involvement

1:18:20 ↗ public involvement comes with the

1:18:22 ↗ creation of each one of these plants and

1:18:25 ↗ then they come up with a list of capital

1:18:27 ↗ projects and a list of policies that

1:18:29 ↗ then we try to implement into the

1:18:31 ↗ capital Improvement plan the capital

1:18:33 ↗ Improvement plan that acts as a funnel

1:18:35 ↗ from all these other plans to prioritize

1:18:38 ↗ into what can we get done in the next

1:18:39 ↗ six years and that's really the aim of

1:18:42 ↗ the CIP is to consolidate among all

1:18:45 ↗ these other priorities of our core

1:18:46 ↗ infrastructure what can we get done in

1:18:48 ↗ the next

1:18:49 ↗ and so I want to just provide Clarity of

1:18:51 ↗ where are the touch points for um uh

1:18:54 ↗ members of the public in terms of the

1:18:56 ↗ CIP and we're going to talk a little bit

1:18:58 ↗ later today about okay after all these

1:19:00 ↗ plans are formed now we're in this

1:19:02 ↗ process here we are at the beginning of

1:19:03 ↗ this year trying to whittle it all down

1:19:05 ↗ into what gets into CIP and provide some

1:19:08 ↗ more connections between each of those

1:19:10 ↗ plans yes

1:19:16 ↗ how often are these I mean I didn't like

1:19:18 ↗ the Strategic plan is on a schedule

1:19:20 ↗ that's not annual so what's the refresh

1:19:24 ↗ um Cadence on each of these plans it

1:19:28 ↗ depends on the plan okay

1:19:30 ↗ let me ask a question more directly are

1:19:33 ↗ there annual repressions on some of

1:19:34 ↗ these plans

1:19:36 ↗ um I don't believe so um are there

1:19:38 ↗ biennial every versions on some of the

1:19:39 ↗ plans

1:19:41 ↗ are more on like a four-year cycle and

1:19:43 ↗ they'll look to understand

1:19:45 ↗ okay all right so they're not not super

1:19:48 ↗ Dynamic and so they're not we're not

1:19:50 ↗ having to kind of react to them and kind

1:19:54 ↗ of frequency I'd be on an annual

1:19:57 ↗ biennial basis

1:19:58 ↗ okay that's that's correct and I would

1:20:01 ↗ say the tip is the obsession on here

1:20:04 ↗ because a tip is a component of the CIP

1:20:07 ↗ that's how we treat our transportation

1:20:09 ↗ Improvement plan it's a component of our

1:20:10 ↗ Capital Improvement plan and that does

1:20:13 ↗ have to be updated every year every year

1:20:14 ↗ according to Washington state law so we

1:20:16 ↗ do look at that every year and Council

1:20:18 ↗ adopts a new tip every year

1:20:23 ↗ so I have a question about a plan that's

1:20:26 ↗ not listed here or a topic that's not

1:20:28 ↗ listed here and how it relates to this

1:20:30 ↗ growth yes Central Issaquah plan how we

1:20:34 ↗ manage growth how we have 400 million

1:20:36 ↗ dollars worth of infrastructure that we

1:20:39 ↗ can that we can't uh get for the growth

1:20:42 ↗ that's already occurred how does that

1:20:44 ↗ conversation relate to the products here

1:20:47 ↗ which relate to going into the CIP

1:20:50 ↗ so obviously growth is a

1:20:55 ↗ somewhat address maybe it's not called

1:20:57 ↗ out in that exact language but in each

1:20:59 ↗ of these plans so we would see where the

1:21:01 ↗ deficiencies in each of these systems to

1:21:03 ↗ serve our population now and into the

1:21:05 ↗ future and so there's a very long list

1:21:07 ↗ of these projects that we would like to

1:21:10 ↗ get done some of these projects are also

1:21:12 ↗ future looking not just looking at

1:21:14 ↗ existing conditions but looking at you

1:21:16 ↗ know down the road how do we need to

1:21:18 ↗ make sure that our infrastructure grows

1:21:20 ↗ commensurate to the population growth

1:21:22 ↗ and the community needs right so I think

1:21:24 ↗ it's it's somewhat addressed in each one

1:21:27 ↗ of these infrastructure plans

1:21:30 ↗ okay I'm uh I I certainly think um the

1:21:35 ↗ 400 million that we don't yet uh that we

1:21:38 ↗ that we haven't figured out how to pay

1:21:39 ↗ for I think is reflected in those plans

1:21:41 ↗ but I guess what I'm thinking of I keep

1:21:43 ↗ coming back to this is let me step aside

1:21:45 ↗ for a second from the CIP you know

1:21:47 ↗ thinking today about what our city is

1:21:49 ↗ missing I keep looking at Woodenville

1:21:51 ↗ and Bothell and they're five over one

1:21:54 ↗ great five over one projects that

1:21:56 ↗ they've built in the last five years

1:21:58 ↗ right which is some of the vision that

1:22:00 ↗ we have for the valley zero percent of

1:22:02 ↗ which has been accomplish right when I

1:22:04 ↗ think about the central physical plant

1:22:06 ↗ all that Vision zero percent of it has

1:22:08 ↗ been accomplished as we've just gotten a

1:22:10 ↗ park building after apartment building

1:22:11 ↗ after apartment building after apartment

1:22:12 ↗ building right so my question would be

1:22:14 ↗ some of the CIP is to help uh

1:22:18 ↗ proactively shape the things that we

1:22:20 ↗ think are coming right and so uh do we

1:22:24 ↗ have an ability with the CIP to help

1:22:29 ↗ nudge things going forward in the

1:22:32 ↗ directions that we want to see which is

1:22:34 ↗ growth in the valley and not growth on

1:22:35 ↗ the hillsides particularly as the as the

1:22:38 ↗ state becomes more and more sensitive to

1:22:39 ↗ the issues of how communities do growth

1:22:41 ↗ we have a great plan how do we continue

1:22:43 ↗ to execute on our plan

1:22:46 ↗ so so there's some of the the market uh

1:22:51 ↗ economics and what's

1:22:54 ↗ um what's economically feasible to

1:22:57 ↗ develop at this point in Issaquah

1:22:59 ↗ there's some challenges with real estate

1:23:01 ↗ Redevelopment in on the central Esquire

1:23:04 ↗ that we can talk about but your

1:23:05 ↗ question's a little different and having

1:23:07 ↗ seen it in fossil in Woodinville I've

1:23:09 ↗ grown skeptical when people tell us we

1:23:10 ↗ can't do it yeah those those

1:23:13 ↗ can I chime in on this one too sure some

1:23:15 ↗ other people who tell us they can't do

1:23:17 ↗ it our development

1:23:18 ↗ and they they talk about the difference

1:23:20 ↗ in building construction types in Essex

1:23:22 ↗ like you know Costco had to build on

1:23:25 ↗ piles well that's just a no deal for a

1:23:28 ↗ lot of these other guys but we have

1:23:31 ↗ actually in The Economic Development

1:23:32 ↗ Group

1:23:34 ↗ um provided a focus in Jen Davis Hayes

1:23:36 ↗ job to actually pick the central escort

1:23:39 ↗ plan back up and identify the obstacles

1:23:43 ↗ to development and I think what you're

1:23:45 ↗ going to see on our list is some

1:23:47 ↗ projects that need to be included for

1:23:49 ↗ example we may have to invest in the

1:23:51 ↗ community in a you know very large

1:23:54 ↗ utility of some sort that eases the

1:23:57 ↗ burden of costs on developers coming in

1:23:59 ↗ because they just buy into a storm water

1:24:01 ↗ system that's already existing so that

1:24:04 ↗ is the focus of her job over the next

1:24:06 ↗ year is to start to bring back to

1:24:08 ↗ council those obstacles and the ways to

1:24:12 ↗ mitigate some of them and then you might

1:24:15 ↗ see projects starting to show up in here

1:24:17 ↗ that are those projects but there are

1:24:20 ↗ some in there now like the green

1:24:21 ↗ necklace and some of the parks ones that

1:24:24 ↗ we can see on the ground but there are

1:24:26 ↗ utilities and soft soils but that's

1:24:28 ↗ exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking

1:24:29 ↗ about so so

1:24:31 ↗ um this is why we restore Economic

1:24:33 ↗ Development to really have gen focus on

1:24:35 ↗ the valley floor so if they're not in

1:24:38 ↗ their now

1:24:39 ↗ um I think you'll start to see some

1:24:40 ↗ because they're going to show up on a

1:24:42 ↗ list of obstacles I would love to have

1:24:44 ↗ this conversation again in here and say

1:24:45 ↗ what is that fine thanks thanks for

1:24:48 ↗ being here yeah it's very exciting

1:24:51 ↗ Andrew you touched a little bit on um

1:24:54 ↗ Public Safety and how it interacts with

1:24:58 ↗ uh CIP and the other capital projects

1:25:01 ↗ that we're doing

1:25:02 ↗ um I don't know I'm just going to throw

1:25:04 ↗ out a question I don't know what the

1:25:05 ↗ answer is necessarily but if there are

1:25:07 ↗ any projects out there that improve

1:25:10 ↗ Public Safety with respect to some of

1:25:12 ↗ the things that we're seeing in Memphis

1:25:13 ↗ or the George Floyd incident I think

1:25:16 ↗ that we need to

1:25:17 ↗ um really communicate that those are the

1:25:19 ↗ types of things that we're doing to

1:25:21 ↗ improve the quality of life for everyone

1:25:23 ↗ in town

1:25:25 ↗ um you know and I don't know what the

1:25:27 ↗ the project might be and we can toss

1:25:29 ↗ around see if there's something that

1:25:30 ↗ makes sense

1:25:31 ↗ um but but if we do have something

1:25:33 ↗ that's that's out there or the council

1:25:35 ↗ reaches the consensus that something

1:25:36 ↗ might be appropriate for that I think we

1:25:38 ↗ need to communicate that to our

1:25:39 ↗ community as well that's great and thank

1:25:42 ↗ you for that we're going to talk a lot

1:25:43 ↗ about that later on today after lunch

1:25:46 ↗ but you know one of the things that I

1:25:48 ↗ would just say right now is that we uh

1:25:51 ↗ in the past couple of years have hired a

1:25:53 ↗ whole Human Services team that does more

1:25:56 ↗ you know direct work with our police

1:25:58 ↗ force and there are often a different

1:26:02 ↗ office that I would say is not the best

1:26:04 ↗ for integrated work and so there's

1:26:06 ↗ there's some ways that I think we can

1:26:08 ↗ provide for more for that team to do

1:26:12 ↗ um you know to better support that team

1:26:15 ↗ and what they do great thank you

1:26:17 ↗ so that brings up for me you know if I

1:26:21 ↗ look on the main sources for the CIP

1:26:23 ↗ there's nothing about Public Safety

1:26:26 ↗ because and and other areas of the city

1:26:30 ↗ like say our I.T where we don't

1:26:34 ↗ necessarily have a public-facing plan so

1:26:38 ↗ how do you pull together those other

1:26:41 ↗ projects yeah it's a great question so

1:26:46 ↗ um so one of the things on here is the

1:26:48 ↗ facilities plan so when we talk about uh

1:26:51 ↗ Public Safety what I'm referring to is

1:26:54 ↗ Eastside fire and rescue municipal court

1:26:57 ↗ and the police uh and their their

1:27:01 ↗ facilities in capital related

1:27:03 ↗ infrastructure so we don't quite have a

1:27:06 ↗ facilities plan yet uh the way that we

1:27:09 ↗ have a master Mobility plan for example

1:27:11 ↗ it's something that Autumn's team is is

1:27:14 ↗ starting to work on

1:27:16 ↗ um that's something that we're hoping to

1:27:17 ↗ shape up and do more work on that this

1:27:19 ↗ year

1:27:20 ↗ um but we are looking across the needs

1:27:22 ↗ that those generally those kind of three

1:27:24 ↗ sections and what their Capital needs

1:27:26 ↗ are my next slide goes over what's

1:27:28 ↗ what's not in here and what you might

1:27:31 ↗ find in this VIP and then we'll ask the

1:27:33 ↗ question of counselor what other

1:27:35 ↗ priorities do do you think that we

1:27:37 ↗ should make sure to include that have

1:27:39 ↗ not been mentioned today or we're not

1:27:40 ↗ addressed in any of these plans or other

1:27:42 ↗ things I'm jumping ahead yeah I love the

1:27:45 ↗ opportunity to Segway but I think we

1:27:47 ↗ have a few more questions uh councilman

1:27:49 ↗ Michelle did you have a question I was

1:27:50 ↗ just going to end that there's there

1:27:52 ↗ isn't anything there from the Human

1:27:53 ↗ Services plan and I have a couple of

1:27:56 ↗ items that I think would fit into if we

1:27:58 ↗ had our Human Services category would

1:28:01 ↗ fit in there

1:28:03 ↗ um when I'm I was going to say we don't

1:28:05 ↗ have Transit and then I was like oh yeah

1:28:06 ↗ we have friends

1:28:09 ↗ so just throwing those things in

1:28:11 ↗ addition to it I love that you're ready

1:28:14 ↗ to skip ahead so I'm going to take that

1:28:16 ↗ as my cue there's only one more thing I

1:28:18 ↗ just want to mention here is the

1:28:19 ↗ community feedback which is Incorporated

1:28:22 ↗ in many different ways I talked about

1:28:24 ↗ how Community feedback is inherent to

1:28:26 ↗ each one of these plans

1:28:27 ↗ um Community feedback we're going to

1:28:29 ↗ address our process for Community

1:28:30 ↗ feedback as we draft and create this CID

1:28:33 ↗ but also I wanted to mention there's

1:28:36 ↗ other ways that people provide Community

1:28:37 ↗ feedback that we capture and use there's

1:28:40 ↗ the reported concern when people have

1:28:42 ↗ you know tripping hazards on their

1:28:43 ↗ sidewalks or potholes or other things we

1:28:46 ↗ take that into account and that shapes

1:28:47 ↗ what goes into the CIP including our

1:28:50 ↗ request to council for how much we think

1:28:52 ↗ we need for our concrete management plan

1:28:54 ↗ Etc

1:28:55 ↗ um we also take Community feedback uh

1:28:57 ↗ the task force recommendations that's

1:28:59 ↗ another component of this that we're

1:29:00 ↗ trying to make sure that we include in

1:29:02 ↗ the draft University

1:29:04 ↗ would you also include the community

1:29:06 ↗ survey yes

1:29:08 ↗ that's another one crazy

1:29:11 ↗ so additional priorities that may not be

1:29:13 ↗ addressed in a specific plan that we've

1:29:16 ↗ adopted at this point and these are just

1:29:18 ↗ a list of examples

1:29:20 ↗ um so that you know you know there's

1:29:22 ↗ been some questions earlier about how

1:29:23 ↗ did this get into the CIP where did that

1:29:25 ↗ even come from

1:29:26 ↗ um I think that's generally what this

1:29:28 ↗ slide is meant to address so here's some

1:29:30 ↗ examples so

1:29:32 ↗ um sometimes we have to do an emergency

1:29:34 ↗ response it's not in a plan for a

1:29:37 ↗ landslide to happen then suddenly we

1:29:39 ↗ need to build a wall and we need to

1:29:41 ↗ Shore that up sometimes people crash

1:29:43 ↗ into a signaled cabinet

1:29:45 ↗ unfortunately and that's a that's a cost

1:29:48 ↗ that we try to plan for and make sure

1:29:50 ↗ that we have enough funds available to

1:29:52 ↗ respond to that need

1:29:54 ↗ um ipd fleet was a big item in the

1:29:56 ↗ budget uh this year and that was

1:29:58 ↗ something that we don't have a fleet

1:30:00 ↗ plan yet it's something that we haven't

1:30:02 ↗ built a plan around something that we're

1:30:04 ↗ working on

1:30:05 ↗ um but but ipd Fleet I think is a good

1:30:07 ↗ example for the budget and one of the

1:30:09 ↗ topics we covered this year

1:30:11 ↗ um then we talk about Capital

1:30:12 ↗ maintenance that's a little bit

1:30:13 ↗ different from typical repairs and

1:30:17 ↗ maintenance capital capital maintenance

1:30:19 ↗ are those bigger costs that we um

1:30:23 ↗ that are much more expensive and so

1:30:24 ↗ there's some examples of that that don't

1:30:26 ↗ have a specific plan that's adopted in

1:30:28 ↗ the same way as that that Master

1:30:31 ↗ Mobility plan or the icap or other plans

1:30:33 ↗ but that includes things like the PMP

1:30:35 ↗ that we talk about if you're at the

1:30:36 ↗ pavement management plan

1:30:38 ↗ um signals polls Bridge studies

1:30:41 ↗ following up on those Bridge studies and

1:30:42 ↗ recommendations

1:30:44 ↗ um that's not in a given plan but we'll

1:30:46 ↗ take that input and incorporate it into

1:30:48 ↗ our CIP

1:30:49 ↗ um ITN facilities we talked about we

1:30:52 ↗ don't have a facility plan yet we don't

1:30:54 ↗ have an I.T plan yet outlining all of

1:30:57 ↗ our software needs sometimes to to to

1:31:00 ↗ meet the Strategic plan goal we need to

1:31:03 ↗ have the software and the tools that

1:31:05 ↗ allows us to do that thing I'm thinking

1:31:07 ↗ about Asset Management as a really good

1:31:08 ↗ example of this to improve our asset

1:31:10 ↗ management practices we need the right

1:31:11 ↗ software tools to be able to do that and

1:31:13 ↗ that's not necessarily an adopted plan

1:31:16 ↗ it's just things that but it is the

1:31:18 ↗ capital expense that the governor

1:31:19 ↗ Capital Improvement plan and then other

1:31:21 ↗ various equipments I think there's radio

1:31:23 ↗ Replacements in there now you know

1:31:25 ↗ famous uh our radios are exceptionally

1:31:27 ↗ old we don't have an equipment plan

1:31:29 ↗ there's equipment across the city that

1:31:32 ↗ just needs to be replaced every once in

1:31:34 ↗ a while for it to function for us so

1:31:37 ↗ those are examples of other things that

1:31:39 ↗ I might see on the CIP that don't have

1:31:41 ↗ you know a specific adopted plan around

1:31:44 ↗ them some of some of that we're working

1:31:46 ↗ on

1:31:47 ↗ um but equipment and things like that we

1:31:49 ↗ we may never just needs kind of come up

1:31:51 ↗ to replace these things

1:31:53 ↗ uh next slide please

1:31:58 ↗ so now this leads us to our next

1:32:00 ↗ activity

1:32:01 ↗ um you've heard enough for me at this

1:32:02 ↗ point I think the question for you and

1:32:04 ↗ I'm going to turn it back over to

1:32:05 ↗ council leadership is what are some of

1:32:07 ↗ the priorities we should be sure to

1:32:08 ↗ address with this CIP update what are

1:32:10 ↗ some of the things that you didn't see

1:32:11 ↗ listed here that you feel like we

1:32:13 ↗ haven't yet addressed

1:32:15 ↗ great zap gets to go right again

1:32:19 ↗ so he's Deputy president and Scribe

1:32:24 ↗ no you absolutely absolutely have served

1:32:27 ↗ that functionality for us this is my

1:32:30 ↗ favorite part of me absolutely Okay so

1:32:33 ↗ we've heard

1:32:35 ↗ we don't need to repeat things that are

1:32:38 ↗ already in a plan or things that we've

1:32:42 ↗ mentioned that aren't quite on a plan

1:32:44 ↗ but are kind of that known area so

1:32:47 ↗ there's no need to restate that hey we

1:32:52 ↗ need to work on Newport Way or a the

1:32:57 ↗ black nugget

1:32:59 ↗ um wall that needs maintenance those

1:33:02 ↗ those things already captured in our

1:33:05 ↗ documents so what we're going to do here

1:33:08 ↗ is

1:33:09 ↗ what's missing what else is the need

1:33:12 ↗ what else can we come up with that's the

1:33:15 ↗ question yeah

1:33:18 ↗ the creating documents that

1:33:21 ↗ um City Deputy City administrator Snyder

1:33:24 ↗ showed us

1:33:25 ↗ um may not be

1:33:28 ↗ you know the only documents that we need

1:33:30 ↗ to have but are you wanting to get at a

1:33:34 ↗ project level now or are you at a topic

1:33:38 ↗ level now

1:33:41 ↗ well I think that I worry that we could

1:33:43 ↗ drift into projects and I'm not sure if

1:33:45 ↗ that's what we in some ways so like one

1:33:48 ↗ of the examples that I used in the

1:33:49 ↗ document was um council member you

1:33:52 ↗ Michelle had previously mentioned that

1:33:54 ↗ one thing we don't have in the community

1:33:57 ↗ is a downtown public restroom which

1:34:00 ↗ would help serve our human services and

1:34:03 ↗ homeless needs so that's a facility

1:34:06 ↗ when we have a facilities plan and we

1:34:09 ↗ have downtown bathrooms that are right

1:34:12 ↗ not yet but yeah bathrooms that are

1:34:14 ↗ accessible

1:34:15 ↗ they're monitored

1:34:17 ↗ okay well the yeah we can we can talk

1:34:21 ↗ about the specifics of that but so

1:34:24 ↗ that's why I'm asking are we talking you

1:34:27 ↗ know that there are categories that are

1:34:30 ↗ missing or are you looking at the

1:34:33 ↗ documents that she gave and said can we

1:34:35 ↗ put

1:34:36 ↗ can we talk about projects under those

1:34:38 ↗ categories

1:34:40 ↗ um I think I'm leaning more toward

1:34:43 ↗ projects so as an example if I'm looking

1:34:47 ↗ at the master Mobility plan and I'm

1:34:49 ↗ saying whoa I really feel like they were

1:34:51 ↗ missing X Y and Z that's important to

1:34:54 ↗ capture in here if there's maybe a

1:34:58 ↗ concept or something that's probably

1:35:01 ↗ also important but I think what Wally

1:35:03 ↗ had asked for us was more projects what

1:35:06 ↗ else should we list in here as projects

1:35:07 ↗ that staff can then evaluate and figure

1:35:09 ↗ out what the resource constraints and

1:35:11 ↗ requirements are thanks yep

1:35:14 ↗ and I think specifically what was asked

1:35:16 ↗ of council leadership to frame the

1:35:18 ↗ discussion was what community need is

1:35:20 ↗ not being met that is not in the

1:35:22 ↗ existing plans and what are we missing

1:35:24 ↗ in the CIP so I think it can be Broad

1:35:26 ↗ and kind of throw things up there abroad

1:35:28 ↗ and specific right yeah okay

1:35:30 ↗ so I'm gonna say throw the idea up there

1:35:34 ↗ on a downtown public restroom now you

1:35:37 ↗ may say that's in the facilities plan

1:35:39 ↗ but because we haven't seen no no I'm

1:35:41 ↗ saying it's a facility I don't know

1:35:43 ↗ what's in the plan either so it's

1:35:45 ↗ something under a broader plan where

1:35:48 ↗ there is the facility plan that is yet

1:35:50 ↗ to be shown to council or is it a brand

1:35:53 ↗ new

1:35:55 ↗ that was why I was asking the question

1:35:57 ↗ is that

1:35:59 ↗ for me that's a facility and so it

1:36:03 ↗ should be listed oh that's something

1:36:05 ↗ that might be missing from a future

1:36:06 ↗ facilities plan yeah facility yes

1:36:12 ↗ and it's perfectly fun because at this

1:36:14 ↗ point we're we don't have that knowledge

1:36:17 ↗ so

1:36:18 ↗ you know I can assume that a future

1:36:21 ↗ facilities plan would have a

1:36:24 ↗ Consolidated City Hall on it but I'm not

1:36:27 ↗ going to sit here and assume that it

1:36:28 ↗ would have downtown public restrooms on

1:36:31 ↗ it so so putting it up there to consider

1:36:34 ↗ it for a future facility makes sense

1:36:36 ↗ yeah

1:36:38 ↗ um part

1:36:39 ↗ so I think a little bit of clarification

1:36:41 ↗ I I think we need public toilets more

1:36:44 ↗ than the downtown uh up in the highlands

1:36:46 ↗ in the business area they also have a

1:36:49 ↗ problem with

1:36:51 ↗ um onion Checkers unwanted even the

1:36:54 ↗ deposits let's say

1:36:56 ↗ um

1:36:56 ↗ and uh the other thing is and I'm kind

1:37:00 ↗ of going to look at Jeff here

1:37:01 ↗ um you know while you're going to have

1:37:03 ↗ this conversation and I've talked to

1:37:05 ↗ Monica about it and

1:37:06 ↗ here's the thing that we come who gets

1:37:08 ↗ if it's in a therapy maybe it'll get

1:37:12 ↗ done five years from now 10 years from

1:37:14 ↗ now

1:37:15 ↗ we need something now this is a human

1:37:18 ↗ this is a human health and services

1:37:21 ↗ so it's probably I don't think it's

1:37:23 ↗ necessarily

1:37:25 ↗ something you want to put

1:37:28 ↗ well I don't want to take it out I mean

1:37:29 ↗ I want it to be raised to the level of

1:37:31 ↗ discussion and importance but we've got

1:37:35 ↗ people I just had a conversation that

1:37:37 ↗ associate with church members who go out

1:37:40 ↗ and do cleanup and one of them said to

1:37:42 ↗ me well if they can find the most of

1:37:43 ↗ them

1:37:45 ↗ we have the large problem area that

1:37:48 ↗ needs to be addressed in more than a

1:37:50 ↗ 10-year plan so

1:37:52 ↗ um I'm going to look at Jeff

1:37:54 ↗ so that that's been the conundrum and

1:37:57 ↗ then the other conundrum is you know for

1:37:59 ↗ example Seattle in many places have

1:38:02 ↗ tried all different kinds of

1:38:04 ↗ portable toilets and all kinds of things

1:38:07 ↗ and and failed uh for one reason or

1:38:11 ↗ another they you need a person on tap to

1:38:14 ↗ monitor make sure it's safe and all of

1:38:16 ↗ that and

1:38:18 ↗ um so uh we really need some

1:38:21 ↗ research and expert

1:38:24 ↗ um best practices I think from other

1:38:26 ↗ municipalities so I'm not sure if you

1:38:29 ↗ just gets in a long range

1:38:32 ↗ plan where we've got an urgent need for

1:38:35 ↗ something that needs to be we need to

1:38:37 ↗ start addressing it like right away so

1:38:39 ↗ Jeff anything you want to add

1:38:42 ↗ you're touching on yeah the need in the

1:38:46 ↗ city's provision of public restrooms

1:38:48 ↗ throughout its town is yeah certainly

1:38:51 ↗ worthy of a conversation I think how we

1:38:54 ↗ the type of facility we look at and how

1:38:57 ↗ we build it and where you build it and

1:38:59 ↗ what it is is correct there's a lot of

1:39:01 ↗ cities that have done a lot of work

1:39:03 ↗ mayor and I've been talking to King

1:39:05 ↗ County Parks about piloting a Portland

1:39:07 ↗ Loop so look up look up the Portland

1:39:09 ↗ okay

1:39:10 ↗ um as a as a really intentional design

1:39:14 ↗ that tries to do this very thing which

1:39:17 ↗ get which will be a first with the King

1:39:19 ↗ County Parks at first

1:39:23 ↗ um I think I think you need to do both

1:39:24 ↗ verb I think

1:39:26 ↗ um putting it in a plan whether it's a

1:39:28 ↗ facilities plan or whatever it doesn't

1:39:29 ↗ just diminish the urgency of it it will

1:39:32 ↗ be your job as a council member to get

1:39:36 ↗ three other members to move that off the

1:39:38 ↗ list

1:39:43 ↗ oh

1:39:44 ↗ okay so I think I think it's both

1:39:48 ↗ um and it will be you know up to you to

1:39:50 ↗ get

1:39:51 ↗ drum up the energy to convince three

1:39:55 ↗ more or more that that's the expenditure

1:39:59 ↗ okay but putting in a plan is a good

1:40:02 ↗ idea I was gonna say pretty much the

1:40:04 ↗ same thing yeah there's there's this

1:40:05 ↗ potential long-term need in the plans

1:40:07 ↗ but if there is this sense of urgency

1:40:09 ↗ you know perhaps there are other ways of

1:40:11 ↗ exploring solutions that like public

1:40:12 ↗ private Partnerships or or just this way

1:40:16 ↗ so there are probably more urgent

1:40:18 ↗ solutions that aren't

1:40:19 ↗ solution is great

1:40:23 ↗ um I think we had Victoria then Chris

1:40:27 ↗ um but I think there's a huge list of

1:40:30 ↗ projects especially if you include the

1:40:32 ↗ backlog project so I'm I'm gonna talk to

1:40:36 ↗ more of like a conceptual missing thing

1:40:38 ↗ which is

1:40:40 ↗ um some of the projects that I'm looking

1:40:42 ↗ at Valley Trail and tree and Creekside

1:40:45 ↗ sensitive and Acquisitions the

1:40:48 ↗ justification and the project summary

1:40:50 ↗ are relative to concrete specific

1:40:53 ↗ projects they're very being worthless

1:40:56 ↗ and kind of ambiguous you know we want

1:40:59 ↗ to have a great necklace and here's a

1:41:00 ↗ fuzzy line which is in the hearts plan

1:41:03 ↗ and it's getting a little more concrete

1:41:04 ↗ it's still a fuzzy line and so it's more

1:41:08 ↗ closely defined so I think for some of

1:41:10 ↗ these

1:41:11 ↗ projects it's difficult and this might

1:41:14 ↗ also be with your downtown bathroom kind

1:41:17 ↗ of where does it fit and how do you

1:41:18 ↗ define it and that becomes sort of a

1:41:20 ↗ barrier to it progressing online so I

1:41:23 ↗ think for some of these what's missing

1:41:25 ↗ is the

1:41:27 ↗ um like parody of

1:41:31 ↗ articulation of what we're actually

1:41:33 ↗ talking about so that then we could say

1:41:34 ↗ okay yes now we're evaluating it and yes

1:41:36 ↗ now this Rises to the level of need and

1:41:39 ↗ urgency

1:41:40 ↗ so I think that's missing yeah

1:41:51 ↗ saying one of the

1:41:53 ↗ parts are existing plan is that we've

1:41:56 ↗ got some things that on it that are

1:41:58 ↗ important and our Capital uh you know

1:42:02 ↗ projects but the description is

1:42:03 ↗ amorphous so when we're trying to

1:42:06 ↗ evaluate them and prioritize them

1:42:08 ↗ against each other that's very difficult

1:42:10 ↗ now interesting so that was important

1:42:14 ↗ but then when you look at the

1:42:15 ↗ description of it it's it's

1:42:17 ↗ really difficult to know

1:42:20 ↗ um what exactly we would get so if you

1:42:24 ↗ can put the example on there of like

1:42:27 ↗ Creekside land acquisition is a good one

1:42:31 ↗ in that it is a capital project

1:42:34 ↗ but it's almost like putting on their

1:42:38 ↗ build a new Road

1:42:40 ↗ you know because it's not a like and we

1:42:45 ↗ need to acquire these five properties or

1:42:48 ↗ complete this project

1:42:52 ↗ um okay yeah

1:42:54 ↗ yeah

1:43:00 ↗ sorry interjecting just a little bit and

1:43:02 ↗ it's a wonderful example and I love

1:43:04 ↗ you're right that it should get clearer

1:43:07 ↗ as it gets from a plan to see me

1:43:10 ↗ acquisition is an interesting example

1:43:12 ↗ yeah I would encourage us never to

1:43:14 ↗ listen yes

1:43:18 ↗ that starts to get challenging

1:43:22 ↗ yeah yeah

1:43:24 ↗ but like with through just to interject

1:43:27 ↗ again through Title 18 we now you know

1:43:30 ↗ we've clarified some of the paths along

1:43:32 ↗ which we believe there should be

1:43:33 ↗ connections for the green necklace so I

1:43:35 ↗ think that level of articulation is not

1:43:38 ↗ naming a parcel yeah but it is

1:43:41 ↗ better than a fuzzy blue line that goes

1:43:44 ↗ through the middle of the city it's you

1:43:45 ↗ know it's starting to or something like

1:43:47 ↗ this yeah and and some of them some of

1:43:50 ↗ the projects included are very specific

1:43:51 ↗ what it needs to do and what it is and

1:43:54 ↗ then some of them are more like

1:44:02 ↗ I'm really struck in listening to the

1:44:05 ↗ conversation about kind of process about

1:44:07 ↗ how what's the process of building the

1:44:09 ↗ plan and I have a couple thoughts that

1:44:11 ↗ I'm going to share one is

1:44:13 ↗ um I think that all of those component

1:44:15 ↗ plans ought to be updated at least by

1:44:17 ↗ annually to inform the CIP because

1:44:21 ↗ otherwise we live in a very Dynamic

1:44:24 ↗ world and I think updating them every

1:44:27 ↗ six years is probably not adequate and

1:44:29 ↗ it doesn't dovetail if there are the

1:44:31 ↗ inputs to the cfp they need to be

1:44:32 ↗ updated on the same Cadence or more

1:44:34 ↗ frequently than the CIP so that's my

1:44:37 ↗ first suggestion it has nothing to do

1:44:39 ↗ with what I want to put on the CIP right

1:44:41 ↗ but then the other thing that I'm

1:44:43 ↗ hearing is there's a there's a pipeline

1:44:46 ↗ of work on the CIP and things get pushed

1:44:49 ↗ down this pipeline of you know concept

1:44:51 ↗ design to build and we ought to be able

1:44:53 ↗ to articulate what's in concept what's

1:44:56 ↗ in design what's in construction

1:44:59 ↗ so put that out there and then the

1:45:01 ↗ second thing is I think the idea of

1:45:03 ↗ public restrooms in various parts of the

1:45:05 ↗ city is a really good idea I'm not sure

1:45:07 ↗ it's a capital project though I think it

1:45:09 ↗ might be more of an operational thing so

1:45:11 ↗ it would be something we should deal

1:45:13 ↗ with in the uh annual budget independent

1:45:16 ↗ of the CIB so

1:45:18 ↗ um we need to distinguish what's a

1:45:20 ↗ capital project from what's not a

1:45:22 ↗ capital or a capital expenditure we need

1:45:24 ↗ a pipeline that shows where things are

1:45:27 ↗ in terms of their

1:45:29 ↗ specificity and maturation and we need

1:45:32 ↗ to have plans that are actively being

1:45:35 ↗ refreshed and revised and updated that

1:45:38 ↗ inform where we're going and what we're

1:45:40 ↗ doing because our world is too too

1:45:42 ↗ Dynamic to say we know where we're going

1:45:44 ↗ to be in six years from now because we

1:45:46 ↗ don't have a clue we have an idea but it

1:45:49 ↗ it's not um

1:45:51 ↗ but actionable let me take what you've

1:45:54 ↗ said and I think obviously building a

1:45:58 ↗ physical structure such as a bathroom

1:46:00 ↗ would be a capital plan but one of the

1:46:03 ↗ things or Capital project but one of the

1:46:05 ↗ things you pointed to is some of these

1:46:07 ↗ ideas where there is connection between

1:46:11 ↗ the operations needed to support that

1:46:15 ↗ um that kind of isn't reflected in the

1:46:19 ↗ CIP but is a necessary component of

1:46:21 ↗ being able to support it so which you

1:46:24 ↗ would see in your budget document yeah

1:46:28 ↗ okay uh Russell oh thank you

1:46:32 ↗ all right let me preface this with um

1:46:35 ↗ the comment I'm not advocating that we

1:46:37 ↗ put speed bumps on all streets in the

1:46:41 ↗ old town or downtown area or the uh the

1:46:43 ↗ valley floor

1:46:45 ↗ however as we look at paver replacement

1:46:49 ↗ um I know that just driving around at

1:46:52 ↗ five o'clock that there are many people

1:46:54 ↗ that are cutting through across Juniper

1:46:57 ↗ between Gilman and Newport and they're

1:47:00 ↗ cutting through neighborhoods to get

1:47:01 ↗ around and I'm probably guilty of doing

1:47:04 ↗ it too as I'm coming home I used to live

1:47:06 ↗ on Second Avenue Northwest

1:47:08 ↗ um and there were a number of people

1:47:10 ↗ that would speed by there at 25 or 30

1:47:12 ↗ miles an hour and there's no way I was

1:47:14 ↗ going to let my my kid play on the front

1:47:16 ↗ line

1:47:17 ↗ as we do paper replacement the the

1:47:20 ↗ question is can we look at whether there

1:47:24 ↗ are some traffic calming things that we

1:47:26 ↗ can do just with the change in the

1:47:28 ↗ pavement itself and I'll just comment

1:47:31 ↗ that you know when I go into a mall and

1:47:34 ↗ my tire has changed from the road the

1:47:36 ↗ smooth road to a bumpy road or at least

1:47:39 ↗ a different sound that I'm hearing it

1:47:42 ↗ wakes me up that maybe I should be

1:47:43 ↗ slowing down or looking at my speed a

1:47:45 ↗ little bit differently as I go into

1:47:46 ↗ these neighborhoods so as part of the

1:47:48 ↗ traffic of the paper placement can we at

1:47:51 ↗ least look at ideas that might still

1:47:54 ↗ adhere to state law still let our

1:47:57 ↗ firefighters and police get to places

1:47:59 ↗ they need to quickly but communicate to

1:48:02 ↗ people they pay this is the neighborhood

1:48:03 ↗ maybe we need to slow down and I'm just

1:48:05 ↗ advocating this from the old town area

1:48:07 ↗ the valley floor

1:48:09 ↗ um and areas that we're seeing cut

1:48:10 ↗ through so not Juniper necessarily but

1:48:13 ↗ the neighborhoods 7th Avenue Northwest

1:48:15 ↗ 2nd Avenue Northwest

1:48:17 ↗ alongside those roads and just have a

1:48:21 ↗ different Pavement in the corner there

1:48:22 ↗ or at the intersection so that people

1:48:23 ↗ know maybe I should slow down I'm

1:48:25 ↗ entering a neighborhood just something

1:48:27 ↗ to throw up for capital in the future

1:48:30 ↗ so I'll rip off of that the idea even

1:48:34 ↗ outside of neighborhoods when we're

1:48:36 ↗ doing pavement management

1:48:38 ↗ should we or are we considering

1:48:41 ↗ re-striping as ways to add bike lane

1:48:44 ↗ protected bike Lanes or you know other

1:48:48 ↗ curb cuts that give people the physical

1:48:52 ↗ reasons to slow down or help out

1:48:56 ↗ alternate methods of Mobility

1:49:03 ↗ okay I'm not seeing anybody else so I'm

1:49:06 ↗ just gonna go ahead

1:49:08 ↗ um

1:49:09 ↗ I just took in a 15 year old kid who

1:49:13 ↗ really very much appreciates the garage

1:49:16 ↗ and yes that's a public facility for our

1:49:20 ↗ teens but I feel like we need an actual

1:49:24 ↗ team Community Center

1:49:26 ↗ so I would put that down there yeah

1:49:32 ↗ um I just feel like that's something

1:49:33 ↗ that is currently not on our Capital

1:49:36 ↗ project because we're utilizing current

1:49:40 ↗ facilities but it I think it needs to be

1:49:43 ↗ a priority address

1:49:46 ↗ so I we I won't go too far into this

1:49:50 ↗ topic

1:49:51 ↗ cool idea I want to be really really

1:49:53 ↗ careful because

1:49:54 ↗ our Center's ability to be both

1:49:58 ↗ semi-independent and also integrated

1:50:00 ↗ into things is a rare and successful

1:50:03 ↗ animal and

1:50:05 ↗ um I just want to make sure any

1:50:07 ↗ potential changes like we've we've

1:50:09 ↗ managed to nurture a thing that a 15

1:50:11 ↗ year old would think is actually cool

1:50:12 ↗ but yet also we have the oversight on

1:50:15 ↗ and there have been other communities

1:50:16 ↗ that have tried to do this that have

1:50:17 ↗ gone too far in either direction and the

1:50:19 ↗ value to kids plummets if it gets either

1:50:21 ↗ too hippy Bohemian out disconnected or

1:50:25 ↗ to establishment right but a cool idea I

1:50:28 ↗ completely agree with you I just want to

1:50:30 ↗ build up a bigger and better space

1:50:31 ↗ Victoria

1:50:34 ↗ um

1:50:35 ↗ well I think I think there's a

1:50:37 ↗ discussion there I think for a lot of

1:50:39 ↗ these it probably just needs to be a

1:50:40 ↗ discussion first to specify that's part

1:50:42 ↗ of what's

1:50:45 ↗ but I just

1:50:46 ↗ be mindful that through that discussion

1:50:48 ↗ there are certain things that the city

1:50:50 ↗ doesn't have that would be great to have

1:50:53 ↗ and that that there may be a different

1:50:55 ↗ way to achieve that than the city taking

1:50:57 ↗ it on I mean we also have for example of

1:51:00 ↗ Creative Arts District and we have

1:51:02 ↗ volunteers who are very passionate about

1:51:05 ↗ that and that's something the city is

1:51:08 ↗ involved with but the city doesn't need

1:51:10 ↗ to be like the one who's running the

1:51:13 ↗ show so

1:51:15 ↗ um there there are things like that that

1:51:16 ↗ are probably more of a partnership or

1:51:18 ↗ maybe much more led by a community group

1:51:21 ↗ it would work better that way it's

1:51:23 ↗ similar to what councilman said I just

1:51:26 ↗ wanted to make sure that that was

1:51:28 ↗ reflective city city entity itself

1:51:31 ↗ canceled

1:51:33 ↗ to do everything yep

1:51:37 ↗ so I'll throw another one out there as I

1:51:40 ↗ was looking through the eye cap the

1:51:43 ↗ climate action plan I noticed that the

1:51:46 ↗ some of their implementation strategies

1:51:50 ↗ were things like generate and store

1:51:52 ↗ renewable injury or energy

1:51:56 ↗ but if I'm thinking about what's the

1:51:59 ↗ actual project on the CIP that's things

1:52:02 ↗ like you know Community Center solar or

1:52:06 ↗ you know a wind generating facility in

1:52:10 ↗ some parts or something

1:52:12 ↗ how does that

1:52:15 ↗ you know if if we're just looking back

1:52:17 ↗ at the plans and it says this more

1:52:21 ↗ amorphous idea of generating restore

1:52:24 ↗ renewable energy

1:52:25 ↗ how do we evaluate whether or not the

1:52:28 ↗ project

1:52:30 ↗ is here

1:52:33 ↗ Wally

1:52:36 ↗ you know I I think that there's

1:52:41 ↗ you know there's there's still Community

1:52:43 ↗ Dialogue on these plants I mean I I

1:52:45 ↗ think and I'm sorry I missed some of the

1:52:46 ↗ discussion but uh we are not the be-all

1:52:49 ↗ end-all for all the plans

1:52:52 ↗ um you know I think as the environment

1:52:53 ↗ board for example continues to talk

1:52:55 ↗ about opportunities I think we have to

1:52:57 ↗ be mindful of them you know immediately

1:52:59 ↗ comes to mind what are we doing with

1:53:01 ↗ City facilities

1:53:03 ↗ um to help the cause

1:53:05 ↗ um so I I think that uh again this

1:53:09 ↗ conversation is really important for the

1:53:11 ↗ form of the journal discussions but we

1:53:14 ↗ can't be the be-all in the end-all so I

1:53:15 ↗ think we're going to depend on the

1:53:17 ↗ environment board to continue to have

1:53:18 ↗ discussions over an extended period of

1:53:20 ↗ time

1:53:21 ↗ um we will dovetail uh things like what

1:53:24 ↗ are we doing with City facilities be It

1:53:26 ↗ Solar be it weatherization heat pumps as

1:53:30 ↗ appropriate for our own facilities so if

1:53:32 ↗ we're trying to come up with the list

1:53:34 ↗ that we're going to expect staff to be

1:53:36 ↗ able to evaluate

1:53:39 ↗ um I think it's really easy to pull all

1:53:41 ↗ of the projects off of the MMP because

1:53:44 ↗ they're all very specific very detailed

1:53:47 ↗ how does that happen for some of these

1:53:50 ↗ other plans like a lot of the stuff in

1:53:53 ↗ the icap is very specific

1:53:55 ↗ but how do we deal with something that

1:53:58 ↗ maybe isn't how is Staff going to deal

1:54:01 ↗ with that well again I I think we look

1:54:04 ↗ we have pieces of this we so saying on

1:54:07 ↗ the icap so there are things we can do

1:54:08 ↗ with Municipal facilities we are talking

1:54:10 ↗ about things we can do with

1:54:11 ↗ electrification of vehicles not only the

1:54:13 ↗ purchase of those vehicles but how their

1:54:16 ↗ their power

1:54:18 ↗ if you have a whole Fleet of electric

1:54:20 ↗ vehicles where do they get their

1:54:22 ↗ electricity and are there opportunities

1:54:24 ↗ to work with other public agencies in

1:54:26 ↗ the area to do that so we're having

1:54:28 ↗ those kind of discussions uh the

1:54:30 ↗ discussion here this morning helps

1:54:31 ↗ inform those discussions you know if

1:54:34 ↗ you're saying we're not really

1:54:35 ↗ interested in any of that then okay well

1:54:38 ↗ then maybe as we talk about it we're

1:54:40 ↗ going to be less interested but you know

1:54:42 ↗ one of the Hallmarks of today is to

1:54:44 ↗ marry the Jew is to Mary you're saying

1:54:46 ↗ things are important staff is saying

1:54:48 ↗ things are important we ought to marry

1:54:50 ↗ them so I don't know that we need a

1:54:52 ↗ specific answer today other than to say

1:54:53 ↗ hey there are some of these things that

1:54:55 ↗ are perhaps a little bit more amorphous

1:54:57 ↗ time's coming to make them less and

1:54:59 ↗ worthless yeah

1:55:04 ↗ so I

1:55:06 ↗ I'm going to a discussion and kind of

1:55:07 ↗ started earlier that goes along with

1:55:09 ↗ what Wally just said and that is the

1:55:12 ↗ transportation benefit District it is

1:55:14 ↗ you know we're not going to put it on

1:55:15 ↗ the list and we'll see but we're not

1:55:17 ↗ going to get where we want to go without

1:55:19 ↗ starting to look at that I did happen to

1:55:22 ↗ look up I empty

1:55:24 ↗ 12.70 last night which is the uh you

1:55:29 ↗ know the city council is the pbd

1:55:32 ↗ governing body so when do we trigger a

1:55:35 ↗ first meeting of that group when do we

1:55:37 ↗ start

1:55:39 ↗ taking action when do we start planning

1:55:42 ↗ to take action all of those questions I

1:55:44 ↗ think you've got to start addressing

1:55:46 ↗ because we do not have the funding to do

1:55:48 ↗ this all the sweet you know Pizza there

1:55:50 ↗ I love that idea we don't have money to

1:55:52 ↗ do that we don't have money to do even

1:55:55 ↗ the transportation and things that we

1:55:57 ↗ would like to do so

1:55:59 ↗ um and they're you know reading the

1:56:01 ↗ um the IMC there's some very specific

1:56:03 ↗ things that the TBD can do and then

1:56:05 ↗ other things it can't do and so let's

1:56:09 ↗ start digging in and figure out how we

1:56:12 ↗ start to use that tool and then the

1:56:15 ↗ other thing we need to do is again look

1:56:16 ↗ at the capital task force you know what

1:56:19 ↗ came out of that would that would inform

1:56:21 ↗ what the pbd is going to do what are the

1:56:23 ↗ other things that are in that that would

1:56:25 ↗ not be appropriate for the change and so

1:56:27 ↗ forth all those issues I think we need

1:56:29 ↗ to start thinking about how we

1:56:32 ↗ start utilizing that tool

1:56:35 ↗ so we've got a funding conversation

1:56:37 ↗ coming up a little bit later so we will

1:56:40 ↗ absolutely get into that

1:56:43 ↗ all right thank you

1:56:46 ↗ um I just wanted to say for the record

1:56:48 ↗ implementation of the master Mobility

1:56:50 ↗ plan and the icap are super important I

1:56:52 ↗ sort of figured that that would go

1:56:54 ↗ without saying but yeah

1:56:57 ↗ and yeah some of those need to be more

1:57:00 ↗ specified like renewable energy but

1:57:02 ↗ um those are super important those are

1:57:04 ↗ also unlike a lot of the plans that were

1:57:07 ↗ on that list I don't believe either of

1:57:10 ↗ those needed by the state or something

1:57:12 ↗ to be written up that was Community the

1:57:14 ↗ community wanted to have a question

1:57:17 ↗ so you know those those are ours that's

1:57:21 ↗ because the community shared that the

1:57:22 ↗ volunteers spent a lot of hours in their

1:57:24 ↗ life a bunch of Staff spent a lot of

1:57:26 ↗ time thinking about how to how to

1:57:28 ↗ actually make an attraction well yes

1:57:30 ↗ thank you

1:57:32 ↗ um so those are super important ones and

1:57:34 ↗ they're recent they're modern we just

1:57:36 ↗ need to turn them into projects so just

1:57:38 ↗ wanted to say that uh those two are

1:57:41 ↗ super important and they're ours we

1:57:43 ↗ should see them

1:57:44 ↗ oh great okay

1:57:49 ↗ um I will throw another one out there if

1:57:52 ↗ I'm looking around the city and I want

1:57:54 ↗ people to take transit I think that bus

1:57:57 ↗ shelters are really important and I

1:57:58 ↗ don't know who builds those or whether

1:58:01 ↗ we can

1:58:03 ↗ I can't even get a garbage can from

1:58:06 ↗ Metro

1:58:07 ↗ well but okay here's

1:58:10 ↗ oh that is responsible yeah but could we

1:58:13 ↗ do it because it served right away

1:58:16 ↗ um so from a philosophical point of view

1:58:18 ↗ our residents pay taxes to several

1:58:20 ↗ levels of government once we start to do

1:58:22 ↗ another level of government's work in

1:58:25 ↗ our local dollars we are encouraging

1:58:28 ↗ them to give us all of their workers so

1:58:30 ↗ as much as I want the shelters I think I

1:58:33 ↗ think one thing we can do council

1:58:35 ↗ president is we may be putting something

1:58:37 ↗ up here on a sidebar that says this is

1:58:40 ↗ the levers we have the most control over

1:58:42 ↗ but are there things that will get us

1:58:44 ↗ Capital Improvements that other people

1:58:46 ↗ have delivers over and so I think we

1:58:49 ↗ need more from Metro and so we may say

1:58:52 ↗ that some of our infrastructure needs

1:58:53 ↗ are other levels of government's

1:58:56 ↗ responsibilities and therefore part of

1:58:58 ↗ our lobbying agenda is to go after

1:59:01 ↗ County State and fed get those so let's

1:59:04 ↗ put that down as an idea of capital

1:59:08 ↗ projects in our community that are by

1:59:11 ↗ others yeah other

1:59:14 ↗ agencies because other agencies give us

1:59:17 ↗ money for our projects and that we can

1:59:21 ↗ convince them to make their Investments

1:59:23 ↗ for their projects yeah we need more

1:59:26 ↗ garbage cans shelters and Ventures uh

1:59:29 ↗ our bus stops and I can't even get us a

1:59:31 ↗ garbage can at the bus stop across the

1:59:33 ↗ street

1:59:34 ↗ yeah and all of that's going to be

1:59:36 ↗ described in the upcoming Transit plan

1:59:38 ↗ right like what we need to do to be drug

1:59:40 ↗ capacity to prepare for Transit and then

1:59:42 ↗ also yeah

1:59:44 ↗ yeah but again I don't know what's in

1:59:45 ↗ that planned so I just want to think

1:59:47 ↗ through what's important to the council

1:59:49 ↗ president you brought up a very good

1:59:51 ↗ point and that is that something we

1:59:53 ↗ don't talk a lot about and we ought to

1:59:55 ↗ because it rains here 10 months a year

1:59:57 ↗ if you really want to impact you can get

2:00:01 ↗ around town you have to take the weather

2:00:02 ↗ into account yeah and I hardly ever see

2:00:05 ↗ anybody standing in the rain at the bus

2:00:07 ↗ stops they are hiding and building doors

2:00:09 ↗ and so some lens of a big component of

2:00:15 ↗ changing modes is providing more weather

2:00:17 ↗ protection

2:00:18 ↗ it's living

2:00:20 ↗ okay

2:00:24 ↗ you know in the area of things we want

2:00:27 ↗ other people to do for us is housing

2:00:30 ↗ housing and what kind of a role can the

2:00:33 ↗ city play to facilitate

2:00:36 ↗ um more I'm just going to say more

2:00:38 ↗ housing more affordable housing but more

2:00:40 ↗ housing just a conversation with the air

2:00:44 ↗ turbage yesterday from the city of

2:00:46 ↗ Kenmore this is a 3D project they've

2:00:49 ↗ gotten previous projects off the ground

2:00:51 ↗ and

2:00:52 ↗ um you know how did they do that and how

2:00:55 ↗ did they leverage what they had to do

2:00:57 ↗ that and all those questions I think are

2:00:59 ↗ really important doesn't mean that they

2:01:01 ↗ are building housing but they are using

2:01:04 ↗ their ability to the average

2:01:06 ↗ Partnerships exactly

2:01:08 ↗ Russell

2:01:13 ↗ thank you

2:01:18 ↗ we put a million dollars to the Terminus

2:01:21 ↗ for Sound Transit in our most recent uh

2:01:24 ↗ iteration of our budget

2:01:26 ↗ um I'm wondering if in the next three to

2:01:29 ↗ five years or maybe two to five years it

2:01:31 ↗ might be appropriate for us to think

2:01:32 ↗ about a community Summit to talk about

2:01:35 ↗ what we want to see at that Terminus in

2:01:39 ↗ terms of uh you know pillow pointed out

2:01:41 ↗ one over fives are being done in

2:01:43 ↗ Woodinville is it appropriate for us to

2:01:45 ↗ do that there how many charting stations

2:01:48 ↗ how is renewable energy gonna play into

2:01:51 ↗ that as well it's got to be a community

2:01:54 ↗ discussion so that we can show this is

2:01:57 ↗ issaquah's Vision when Sound Transit

2:01:59 ↗ says we have some money for you and

2:02:01 ↗ they're not telling us what to do but

2:02:03 ↗ we're telling them what our vision is

2:02:05 ↗ what we'd like to do and how we have

2:02:09 ↗ um it's set up and what funding sources

2:02:11 ↗ we have available to bring to the table

2:02:13 ↗ and have that discussion with Sound

2:02:15 ↗ Transit when it is something we've

2:02:17 ↗ already discussed and we have in mind so

2:02:19 ↗ I'm destroying that out there is kind of

2:02:21 ↗ a long-term capital Improvement type

2:02:23 ↗ discussion that I think needs to be on

2:02:25 ↗ the table

2:02:27 ↗ thank you for bringing that up

2:02:29 ↗ um I think it's very creative of the

2:02:31 ↗ council to start the conversation early

2:02:32 ↗ and former mayor Butler is very excited

2:02:34 ↗ that we are learning lessons from where

2:02:37 ↗ Bellevue did not start the conversation

2:02:38 ↗ early and then we just did right so that

2:02:41 ↗ is great but also in our visioning

2:02:43 ↗ exercise as a city that already gets

2:02:45 ↗ passed through traffic we have to

2:02:47 ↗ recognize we're going to be the end of a

2:02:48 ↗ terminus

2:02:49 ↗ and you know Connie Marsh has come out

2:02:51 ↗ multiple times to talk about having that

2:02:53 ↗ conversation about what it means to be

2:02:54 ↗ the end of the line because we need to

2:02:57 ↗ plan for not just those that use it

2:02:59 ↗ municipa but that entire travel Shed

2:03:02 ↗ from Duval to Maple Valley that we also

2:03:04 ↗ want to access that line so we have a

2:03:07 ↗ big conversation and even part of that

2:03:09 ↗ conversation with the Mayors yes I

2:03:11 ↗ recall too yeah we have a we have a King

2:03:13 ↗ County Third District mayor's group that

2:03:15 ↗ talks about the Sound Transit Terminus

2:03:17 ↗ and a whole bunch of other issues so I

2:03:19 ↗ want to make sure we include those

2:03:20 ↗ people in the conversation because

2:03:21 ↗ they're going to come to that station

2:03:22 ↗ yes so we have it it's going to be very

2:03:24 ↗ exciting

2:03:26 ↗ so that is again a capital project that

2:03:29 ↗ will be built in our area that is not

2:03:31 ↗ our money or

2:03:34 ↗ our yeah some of that visioning work

2:03:38 ↗ started with the centralized qual plan

2:03:40 ↗ too there's a big section that's a

2:03:43 ↗ really interesting read so one question

2:03:44 ↗ might be is that still relevant like or

2:03:47 ↗ what needs to change right there's a

2:03:49 ↗ final impact statement that Central

2:03:51 ↗ instant does not work with without that

2:03:53 ↗ station right meaning the lab densities

2:03:55 ↗ that are there right now

2:03:57 ↗ um under the environmental impact

2:03:58 ↗ statement are based on the fact that

2:04:00 ↗ there's mass transit and if there isn't

2:04:02 ↗ mass transit or mass transit coming at a

2:04:04 ↗ certain point in time that's a difficult

2:04:05 ↗ conversation we're going to have to have

2:04:09 ↗ Zach

2:04:10 ↗ uh okay thanks

2:04:14 ↗ um

2:04:16 ↗ oh sure yeah I don't have a whole lot so

2:04:21 ↗ um strategic

2:04:23 ↗ so projects from strategic planning

2:04:26 ↗ documents that were still in progress

2:04:27 ↗ were kind of already brought up by

2:04:28 ↗ Andrea so I appreciate that but ones

2:04:31 ↗ that are top of mind for me are

2:04:32 ↗ preparing for light rail so that will

2:04:34 ↗ definitely be part of our Trend Master

2:04:35 ↗ planning and work

2:04:37 ↗ um connected bike Network which will be

2:04:40 ↗ part of our you know implementing the

2:04:42 ↗ mobility management and I bring that up

2:04:44 ↗ because I was pretty disappointed the

2:04:46 ↗ council voted against the electric

2:04:48 ↗ scooter Pilot chair program last year

2:04:50 ↗ and that was one of the

2:04:52 ↗ um reasons was that we didn't have a

2:04:55 ↗ well enough supported connected Network

2:04:58 ↗ around the city to support electric

2:04:59 ↗ scooters and if that's the case I think

2:05:02 ↗ we need to start doing it we need to

2:05:04 ↗ invest in that so that could potentially

2:05:06 ↗ be an opportunity in the future again

2:05:09 ↗ um

2:05:12 ↗ also this will definitely be in the

2:05:13 ↗ storm water master plan too but just

2:05:15 ↗ thinking about flooding events getting

2:05:18 ↗ worse and having more frequently

2:05:21 ↗ um is the way that we're thinking about

2:05:22 ↗ flooding and Water Management

2:05:25 ↗ um in stormwater management business as

2:05:26 ↗ usual or being Innovative Innovative and

2:05:29 ↗ thinking forward about how we address

2:05:31 ↗ future problems in that space

2:05:36 ↗ um

2:05:37 ↗ I also think our most underused resource

2:05:43 ↗ one of the best things about Issaquah is

2:05:45 ↗ that Lakes Community State Park is right

2:05:46 ↗ here and I don't always see a lot of

2:05:49 ↗ connection between what our Capital

2:05:51 ↗ Improvements around Lake Savannah State

2:05:53 ↗ Park could help support Lake Savannah

2:05:55 ↗ State Park I know we're getting an uh an

2:05:58 ↗ informational update on some stuff going

2:06:00 ↗ on with like Sonoma State Park soon but

2:06:02 ↗ I just think that there are probably

2:06:03 ↗ more opportunities to partner with so

2:06:06 ↗ like we we talk about octane support

2:06:07 ↗ groups like creative arts districts I

2:06:09 ↗ think the lake Samaritan state park is

2:06:11 ↗ another excellent one but yeah can I tie

2:06:13 ↗ on to that too for those that are

2:06:15 ↗ familiar with the Central Express plan

2:06:16 ↗ and the urban tour it's a dream of mine

2:06:20 ↗ that somehow in Redevelopment of the

2:06:22 ↗ commercial that's along

2:06:23 ↗ um with six Sammamish Parkway and our

2:06:26 ↗ current retail areas that there's

2:06:27 ↗ housing how can you have a park like

2:06:30 ↗ that and not have anybody to come over

2:06:32 ↗ so while we don't build the housing like

2:06:35 ↗ we don't redevelop those companies we

2:06:37 ↗ need to have a vision towards getting

2:06:38 ↗ people to live right around the park I

2:06:40 ↗ mean that's that's crazy it's good

2:06:43 ↗ people

2:06:44 ↗ well there's there's a little bit of

2:06:46 ↗ density

2:06:48 ↗ and we have a transportation crowd ing

2:06:51 ↗ project or Tech connect us but imagine

2:06:53 ↗ if the Redevelopment along I-90 where we

2:06:55 ↗ have now two stories and what a storage

2:06:58 ↗ units two-story commercial turns into

2:07:00 ↗ 501 and they walk across the street and

2:07:04 ↗ they're in the park and the same that

2:07:07 ↗ requires that partnership so that when

2:07:09 ↗ Lake smash State Park is redeveloping

2:07:13 ↗ their entrance and all of that it

2:07:16 ↗ orients toward us but then also we

2:07:18 ↗ Orient our infrastructure toward them

2:07:20 ↗ there's a there's a huge opportunity

2:07:22 ↗ because as you go up East Lake Sammamish

2:07:24 ↗ Parkway we do have residential they can

2:07:26 ↗ get on the trail they can get to the

2:07:28 ↗ park but what about the south end what

2:07:30 ↗ about the the West End there is enormous

2:07:33 ↗ opportunity to get people to live around

2:07:35 ↗ that Park which I think would help with

2:07:38 ↗ Park development Park usage it will

2:07:41 ↗ really it's just it's it could be

2:07:44 ↗ anything just tell all the soccer moms

2:07:46 ↗ and dads that they could walk their kids

2:07:47 ↗ over the soccer fields

2:07:50 ↗ thank you

2:07:53 ↗ well as one of those kids that used to

2:07:55 ↗ play soccer they're growing up in the

2:07:56 ↗ mud Alzheimer's but this is one of the

2:07:58 ↗ reasons why I brought it up so thank you

2:08:00 ↗ for kind of joining the detail on that

2:08:01 ↗ housing yeah that's a good point I mean

2:08:03 ↗ so is economic development around the

2:08:04 ↗ area and how are we encouraging so

2:08:07 ↗ anyways there's that

2:08:09 ↗ um also I have no idea what the state of

2:08:11 ↗ our community center is you know is it

2:08:13 ↗ in disrepair is it in need of

2:08:15 ↗ improvements I don't know if that's a

2:08:16 ↗ capital rule or not so I just thought

2:08:18 ↗ I'd throw that out there

2:08:20 ↗ um

2:08:22 ↗ um and then the last thing was

2:08:25 ↗ um I listened to this really interesting

2:08:26 ↗ podcast last month about Wildfire

2:08:29 ↗ preparedness and disruption to utilities

2:08:33 ↗ and infrastructure caused by wildfires

2:08:36 ↗ so just throwing it out there like have

2:08:38 ↗ we kind of thought through as a city at

2:08:40 ↗ an administrative and staff level like

2:08:42 ↗ what of our what of our infrastructure

2:08:45 ↗ assets are susceptible to damage from

2:08:47 ↗ Wildfire it's a susceptible to threat of

2:08:49 ↗ wildfire and what are those solutions to

2:08:51 ↗ that because if something bad were to

2:08:53 ↗ happen we don't want our community to be

2:08:55 ↗ without

2:08:56 ↗ power without water without other things

2:08:59 ↗ that they need right so um yeah anyways

2:09:02 ↗ I just want to go back

2:09:04 ↗ that's all I have for What's missing

2:09:07 ↗ can I actually can I add just on that

2:09:10 ↗ thought you know the county I think came

2:09:13 ↗ back or at least it was presented by Eve

2:09:15 ↗ for that map that showed Wildland Urban

2:09:18 ↗ interface fire risk right and the

2:09:20 ↗ question is does that map drive any

2:09:23 ↗ conversations about heartening right

2:09:26 ↗ because we've got you know you know

2:09:27 ↗ there's more than you know you're in my

2:09:29 ↗ opinion about boil the urban interface

2:09:31 ↗ fires but it's you know having been

2:09:33 ↗ presented that data what do we want to

2:09:35 ↗ do with it

2:09:36 ↗ there is some legislation currently

2:09:38 ↗ winding its way through for that

2:09:40 ↗ interface that might come before

2:09:43 ↗ um at the end of the session we'll have

2:09:44 ↗ to see lots of dollars from no just

2:09:47 ↗ there's so much

2:09:51 ↗ I get the number to you guys if you like

2:09:58 ↗ good good point but that math and that

2:10:02 ↗ kind of idea of that was generated

2:10:04 ↗ outside of our control so it's not one

2:10:07 ↗ of our plans but there may be plans of

2:10:11 ↗ our partners such as a verb or you know

2:10:15 ↗ ways that we interface with wash stud or

2:10:19 ↗ something that helps

2:10:21 ↗ utilize both of our spending you know

2:10:24 ↗ just basically something in there that

2:10:27 ↗ references or recognizes other agencies

2:10:30 ↗ plans so a similar one to that is

2:10:32 ↗ Cascadia Rising results you're right

2:10:36 ↗ yeah Emergency Management Cascadia

2:10:39 ↗ Rising

2:10:40 ↗ they answer that too I think you guys

2:10:42 ↗ are getting on the topic that has just

2:10:44 ↗ become recovery relevant over the last

2:10:47 ↗ 10 years which is is our infrastructure

2:10:49 ↗ resilient to these challenges we have we

2:10:53 ↗ have chemical challenges with that we

2:10:55 ↗ have to be concerned about with aquifer

2:10:57 ↗ protection and wellheads we have Forest

2:10:59 ↗ you know the boundary hazards and so I

2:11:03 ↗ think there's been a much better lens

2:11:06 ↗ put on that but it's still continuing to

2:11:08 ↗ build and again a lot of it comes as

2:11:10 ↗ regulations and plans from other other

2:11:12 ↗ people yeah

2:11:15 ↗ great

2:11:17 ↗ and then I had one other item on my list

2:11:21 ↗ which was just responding to the

2:11:24 ↗ community survey one thing I saw on

2:11:26 ↗ there was Street lighting and so I think

2:11:30 ↗ that's something that we need to have a

2:11:31 ↗ conversation on it's not appropriate for

2:11:34 ↗ all neighborhoods but it's obviously a

2:11:37 ↗ community interest in some neighborhoods

2:11:41 ↗ but I'm not quite sure how that would be

2:11:43 ↗ represented in a plan or whether we just

2:11:46 ↗ need to pull that out of the community

2:11:48 ↗ yeah I think I think a conversation

2:11:49 ↗ first and again I go back to the design

2:11:51 ↗ of the older neighborhoods from the 50s

2:11:54 ↗ 60s to the new your neighborhoods from

2:11:56 ↗ the 2000s Community expectations are

2:12:00 ↗ different in those different

2:12:01 ↗ neighborhoods and how do you how do you

2:12:04 ↗ satisfy Safety and Security concerns

2:12:06 ↗ with bright lighting concerns so it'll

2:12:10 ↗ be an interesting conversation yeah

2:12:13 ↗ yeah

2:12:14 ↗ so does anybody else have any other

2:12:16 ↗ ideas coming up

2:12:19 ↗ may I have one yeah

2:12:22 ↗ um these are great

2:12:25 ↗ um one of the other lenses that I told

2:12:28 ↗ Andrea I wasn't going to mention today

2:12:29 ↗ but now I changed my mind

2:12:32 ↗ is

2:12:34 ↗ um I'm going to call it the um impacts

2:12:38 ↗ on livability

2:12:40 ↗ by those that don't live in the

2:12:42 ↗ community but that Transit through our

2:12:44 ↗ community so we expect to be a retail

2:12:46 ↗ hunt we expect to be a Transit Center

2:12:48 ↗ but having I-90 come between us dividing

2:12:51 ↗ our city also makes us a password count

2:12:54 ↗ and I did a quick scan of the master

2:12:56 ↗ Mobility plan and something that I ran

2:13:00 ↗ on five years ago was I want to

2:13:03 ↗ um put emphasis on local Mobility even

2:13:07 ↗ if it's at the expense of pass-through

2:13:09 ↗ traffic and I say that in a way of those

2:13:11 ↗ residents that live on South Front

2:13:13 ↗ Street

2:13:14 ↗ um we don't have a project or have had a

2:13:17 ↗ discussion about what South Front Street

2:13:20 ↗ how it could be designed to better serve

2:13:22 ↗ our residents based on the fact that we

2:13:24 ↗ are a pass-through Community

2:13:27 ↗ um so I'll jump to a specific project

2:13:29 ↗ which may or may never happen but if we

2:13:31 ↗ were to install roundabouts all the way

2:13:33 ↗ down out to the city limits you would

2:13:35 ↗ give equal access to our residents to

2:13:38 ↗ get on and off at certain times of the

2:13:40 ↗ day so in just scanning everything we

2:13:43 ↗ talked about we seem to leave that

2:13:45 ↗ elephant

2:13:46 ↗ you know it's not in a room with us

2:13:48 ↗ we're not talking about it but the

2:13:50 ↗ community talks about it all the time

2:13:52 ↗ and so I think somehow we have to have a

2:13:54 ↗ conversation of are we really committed

2:13:56 ↗ to making it easier for our residents by

2:13:59 ↗ looking at some of these projects that

2:14:01 ↗ we haven't even talked about the

2:14:03 ↗ concepts I think a lot about Sycamore

2:14:06 ↗ and down where Barb lives yeah you know

2:14:08 ↗ they get stuck for hours ahead of time

2:14:12 ↗ hours maybe local traffic prioritization

2:14:16 ↗ I'm gonna call it Pastor that's not a

2:14:19 ↗ pastor because they're not stopping and

2:14:20 ↗ shopping they're adding 40 of the

2:14:23 ↗ traffic to streets at times of the day I

2:14:26 ↗ was I was talking about the solution to

2:14:29 ↗ that which is create projects that

2:14:31 ↗ prioritize local traffic yes over maybe

2:14:35 ↗ potentially in areas that we haven't

2:14:36 ↗ talked about it yeah and guys you know I

2:14:39 ↗ used to be able to go to Miramonte and

2:14:40 ↗ pick kids up at four o'clock for soccer

2:14:42 ↗ nobody would do that

2:14:44 ↗ and so uh Highway 18 is a ways away and

2:14:48 ↗ it's probably a part of the solution but

2:14:50 ↗ I think there's a local component

2:14:51 ↗ because it's a solution right the what's

2:14:54 ↗ the name heard the very south end of

2:14:55 ↗ town Lewis Lange Lewis Lane neighborhood

2:14:58 ↗ Sycamore all the way up through where

2:15:00 ↗ council member D Michelle lives there's

2:15:02 ↗ opportunities there to help ease the

2:15:05 ↗ burden and that intersection was

2:15:07 ↗ seconded with the attorney to the high

2:15:09 ↗ school absolutely

2:15:11 ↗ once you get around about you can start

2:15:13 ↗ to equalize the access into the stream

2:15:17 ↗ of traffic a lot better than the light

2:15:18 ↗ yeah so anyway that's just a big lens to

2:15:22 ↗ throw out there

2:15:23 ↗ exactly well yeah I just wanted to say

2:15:25 ↗ that this is actually a topic for

2:15:27 ↗ Mobility an infrastructure committee has

2:15:28 ↗ talked about um quite a bit as items

2:15:30 ↗ come up most recently it has some

2:15:33 ↗ feedback for the intelligent

2:15:34 ↗ Transportation Systems so this is

2:15:37 ↗ definitely living within our communities

2:15:39 ↗ of our priorities I think I timed it the

2:15:41 ↗ other day I was at the light at second

2:15:43 ↗ and Front Street and

2:15:46 ↗ um there was nobody going north and

2:15:48 ↗ south and I couldn't turn left and I'm

2:15:50 ↗ like this is crazy so I I think there's

2:15:53 ↗ opportunities there that also when a

2:15:55 ↗ former council member Batista's neighbor

2:15:57 ↗ always used to talk to me about he's

2:16:00 ↗ passed away since you know get just on a

2:16:02 ↗ new part way when you come past Gibson

2:16:04 ↗ Hall there are two through links and if

2:16:08 ↗ it was a through Lane and a lane that

2:16:10 ↗ was exclusively a right hand turn what

2:16:13 ↗ Neighbors on Wildwood Boulevard would be

2:16:15 ↗ able to get out of Buffalo and that's a

2:16:18 ↗ prioritization of local Uber so I just I

2:16:21 ↗ just want us to think about that because

2:16:23 ↗ it is still the number one thing that

2:16:25 ↗ people complain about it's how we get

2:16:27 ↗ inundated in the afternoon to such a

2:16:30 ↗ significant area

2:16:32 ↗ thank you sorry Andrea I wasn't going to

2:16:34 ↗ bring it up

2:16:38 ↗ so at this point

2:16:40 ↗ I kind of

2:16:43 ↗ the conversation about what's missing we

2:16:47 ↗ are way behind on time

2:16:49 ↗ so

2:16:53 ↗ it was that we grab our lunch and then

2:16:57 ↗ maybe do the next part while we eat are

2:17:01 ↗ we good without it okay so let's do

2:17:04 ↗ because everybody is a good job too yeah

2:17:08 ↗ okay

2:17:15 ↗ oh great okay so this next section like

2:17:19 ↗ we said we're a little bit behind so

2:17:20 ↗ we're gonna eat while we uh listen and

2:17:23 ↗ chat and all of that but the next part

2:17:26 ↗ we're not doing a lot of brainstorming

2:17:29 ↗ or kind of activities what we're looking

2:17:31 ↗ for is the administration kind of giving

2:17:35 ↗ us some information to react to so that

2:17:39 ↗ we can provide our questions comments

2:17:41 ↗ concerns and hopefully get to the point

2:17:44 ↗ of buying on some of these things or

2:17:46 ↗ understand what further information is

2:17:48 ↗ needed for us to feel ready Andrew take

2:17:52 ↗ it away perfect thank you very much uh

2:17:54 ↗ so next we're going to talk about the

2:17:56 ↗ CIP selection criteria the referred that

2:17:59 ↗ a little bit earlier

2:18:01 ↗ and as we look at doing this larger

2:18:05 ↗ update towards CIP there's as I said

2:18:08 ↗ before a lot of things have changed

2:18:09 ↗ since the last time we did this two

2:18:10 ↗ years ago we have the environmental

2:18:13 ↗ board was brand new last time we did

2:18:15 ↗ this now they have

2:18:17 ↗ um uh We've adopted the icap the escort

2:18:20 ↗ project action plan we have a new Equity

2:18:22 ↗ board we found this brand new and an

2:18:24 ↗ equity framework and we wanted to be

2:18:26 ↗ sure in this process to incorporate

2:18:29 ↗ um what we've learned since last time

2:18:31 ↗ from those two bodies uh and

2:18:34 ↗ one thing we wanted to look at was our

2:18:36 ↗ uh criteria that we use to talk about

2:18:39 ↗ all of those plans that feed into the

2:18:41 ↗ CIP and all that information that feeds

2:18:42 ↗ into the CIP now these selection

2:18:44 ↗ criteria help us narrow it down in terms

2:18:47 ↗ of our priorities

2:18:48 ↗ um how do we get what should we do in

2:18:51 ↗ the next six years

2:18:54 ↗ we looked at our criteria and it looked

2:18:56 ↗ like some things were missing based off

2:18:58 ↗ of you know having a new Equity board

2:19:00 ↗ and new information so we wanted to

2:19:03 ↗ update our criteria with this process we

2:19:05 ↗ looked at other cities in terms of what

2:19:07 ↗ other cities have criteria how that they

2:19:10 ↗ approached this and after doing that

2:19:13 ↗ type of research we realized that the

2:19:16 ↗ base criteria that we have are our good

2:19:18 ↗ starting point we don't need to throw it

2:19:20 ↗ all away and start over completely but

2:19:23 ↗ we do need to improve upon it and update

2:19:25 ↗ it and so that's what really we're going

2:19:26 ↗ to talk about today and

2:19:28 ↗ um and also talk about the process that

2:19:31 ↗ we want to use stuff in our criteria and

2:19:33 ↗ how we're going to involve members of

2:19:34 ↗ the public in that process and that's

2:19:36 ↗ what we're going to be asking for

2:19:37 ↗ feedback from you today so we have

2:19:40 ↗ um proposed draft criteria today and

2:19:43 ↗ um that is on the next slide together so

2:19:46 ↗ you see on this slide there are our

2:19:49 ↗ current criteria compared to our

2:19:51 ↗ proposed criteria that may be a little

2:19:53 ↗ hard to see from I see some squinting so

2:19:56 ↗ I'm going to talk about it out loud so

2:19:58 ↗ we have current criteria on this side

2:20:01 ↗ um life safety

2:20:02 ↗ and uh proposed criteria coming off of

2:20:07 ↗ Life Safety and we wanted to expand upon

2:20:09 ↗ that in terms of legal mandate that's

2:20:11 ↗ not something that we currently address

2:20:12 ↗ some things we are legally mandated to

2:20:14 ↗ do we wanted to make sure that that's

2:20:16 ↗ captured in our criteria how we select

2:20:19 ↗ these projects to get into the CIP so

2:20:21 ↗ legal mandate or addressing life and

2:20:24 ↗ safety concerns that would be our

2:20:25 ↗ proposed criteria so we're not asking

2:20:28 ↗ you to necessarily Wordsmith this today

2:20:30 ↗ there's a whole process I'm going to go

2:20:32 ↗ through before we kind of get to the

2:20:33 ↗ discussion part of the section of the

2:20:35 ↗ meeting but just wanted to

2:20:37 ↗ to share with you what our proposed

2:20:39 ↗ criteria are

2:20:41 ↗ Community priority kind of stays the

2:20:44 ↗ same so what is an adopted plan what

2:20:46 ↗ have we heard from the community that is

2:20:47 ↗ that is a priority

2:20:49 ↗ um we also wanted to keep the criteria

2:20:51 ↗ that specifically mentions our strategic

2:20:53 ↗ plan goals that should be guiding uh

2:20:56 ↗ what is in our CIP uh old criteria was

2:20:59 ↗ environmental impact and what we're

2:21:02 ↗ suggesting is something a little bit

2:21:04 ↗ more nuanced refined and setting a

2:21:05 ↗ higher bar for what goes into our state

2:21:08 ↗ and so that is really focusing on

2:21:11 ↗ climate resiliency or environmental

2:21:13 ↗ benefit so not just what doesn't affect

2:21:16 ↗ the climate or the environment in a

2:21:18 ↗ negative way but really looking for that

2:21:20 ↗ environmental benefit in our projects

2:21:22 ↗ and how those get incorporated into this

2:21:24 ↗ again as we looked at some of our source

2:21:26 ↗ documents like what's in the icap ETC we

2:21:28 ↗ use that to help inform

2:21:30 ↗ um these proposed changes to our

2:21:31 ↗ criteria

2:21:33 ↗ identified funding source uh that was an

2:21:36 ↗ old criteria that's in the current CIP

2:21:39 ↗ what we're suggesting is expanding upon

2:21:42 ↗ that in the new uh and the new CIP

2:21:44 ↗ looking at identified resources so not

2:21:47 ↗ just funding but once within our

2:21:49 ↗ organizational capacity our staff

2:21:51 ↗ capacity looking at the global Supply

2:21:54 ↗ chains taking that into account how long

2:21:57 ↗ um what can we realistically get done

2:21:58 ↗ and what are our resources that we can

2:22:01 ↗ identify that are going to help help us

2:22:03 ↗ get it done right so expanding upon that

2:22:05 ↗ definition replacement or repair of

2:22:08 ↗ existing infrastructure was part of our

2:22:11 ↗ current or old criteria what we're

2:22:14 ↗ suggesting to use in the future is

2:22:16 ↗ replacement or Capital maintenance of

2:22:18 ↗ existing infrastructure and so it's not

2:22:21 ↗ just necessarily repairing something

2:22:22 ↗ that's broken but maybe maintaining it

2:22:25 ↗ better before it gets broken or

2:22:27 ↗ dysfunctional so we wanted to again

2:22:29 ↗ expand on that definition a little bit

2:22:31 ↗ make it more um realistic to how we

2:22:35 ↗ would to the projects that would go into

2:22:37 ↗ the standing and then we're talking

2:22:39 ↗ about additional new criteria that we

2:22:41 ↗ have not had before which is equity

2:22:44 ↗ I wanted to address that

2:22:46 ↗ um and that would be our new addition so

2:22:50 ↗ um keep those in mind we're going to go

2:22:53 ↗ back to these and discuss if you have

2:22:54 ↗ comments or questions on any of them do

2:22:57 ↗ you have any immediate questions right

2:22:58 ↗ now

2:23:01 ↗ yes

2:23:03 ↗ um it seems like separate from Community

2:23:05 ↗ priority should be an explicit criteria

2:23:08 ↗ of previous commitment

2:23:10 ↗ if we as a body have previously and I

2:23:14 ↗ think here specifically around finishing

2:23:16 ↗ uh The Pedestrian Corridor out to South

2:23:20 ↗ Coast or whatever we call it

2:23:22 ↗ um that's there's a there's an element

2:23:25 ↗ to me of as elected officials so we

2:23:27 ↗ should do the things that we say we're

2:23:28 ↗ going to do after the sacred with you

2:23:30 ↗ know and that should be its own criteria

2:23:32 ↗ okay its own criteria not as part of

2:23:36 ↗ community priority to me is different

2:23:38 ↗ from previous equipment okay

2:23:41 ↗ okay it's it's just follow through it's

2:23:43 ↗ closing the loop on the things that we

2:23:45 ↗ say we're going to do and to me it's in

2:23:46 ↗ some ways it's a council side of the

2:23:49 ↗ same conversation we had two hours ago

2:23:51 ↗ about how when we do projects we should

2:23:54 ↗ have milestones and we should see how

2:23:55 ↗ we're doing against those Milestone when

2:23:57 ↗ we make commitments as a body those

2:23:59 ↗ commitments should have the longevity to

2:24:01 ↗ them and what

2:24:04 ↗ okay understood great thank you and

2:24:07 ↗ we're going to have more of a

2:24:08 ↗ conversation about what what we're

2:24:11 ↗ missing here and get more of your

2:24:12 ↗ feedback

2:24:14 ↗ um that's just in a little bit I want to

2:24:15 ↗ talk about the process that we're going

2:24:17 ↗ to

2:24:18 ↗ um use to help refine these criteria as

2:24:21 ↗ well so before we get into your specific

2:24:23 ↗ feedback on what we have so far I also

2:24:24 ↗ want to talk about the process but are

2:24:27 ↗ there any immediate questions about any

2:24:28 ↗ of these things before we move on to the

2:24:30 ↗ process

2:24:33 ↗ one are we talking about so one of the

2:24:37 ↗ steps of this is

2:24:40 ↗ creating criteria for creating this

2:24:43 ↗ first

2:24:44 ↗ set of projects and prioritizing them

2:24:47 ↗ but the other one is like and we're

2:24:49 ↗ gonna have to do an update in two years

2:24:51 ↗ so do the same criteria apply to that

2:24:56 ↗ initial list as to futureless yeah yes

2:25:01 ↗ come on

2:25:02 ↗ yes good question so we're going to talk

2:25:05 ↗ a little bit more about how we use these

2:25:06 ↗ criteria next our next slide

2:25:09 ↗ So currently this is just an example all

2:25:12 ↗ right so this is not set in stone we're

2:25:14 ↗ going to talk about process next but

2:25:16 ↗ currently how we use our criteria is

2:25:18 ↗ it's really a yes no system so

2:25:20 ↗ environmental impact does it have a

2:25:22 ↗ positive environmental fact yes no great

2:25:25 ↗ let's let's put it into this VIP right

2:25:27 ↗ so that's our current system we've

2:25:29 ↗ looked at it again we want to set a

2:25:31 ↗ higher bar and we've also looked at

2:25:33 ↗ other cities and there's more of a

2:25:34 ↗ grading system we didn't want to go to

2:25:37 ↗ the point of scoring points because that

2:25:39 ↗ gets a little technical but what we

2:25:40 ↗ wanted to do was further Define okay

2:25:42 ↗ Community priority what does that

2:25:45 ↗ exactly mean

2:25:46 ↗ um how do we make sure that we need that

2:25:47 ↗ criteria and then also can we give it a

2:25:50 ↗ grade under a community priority green

2:25:53 ↗ meaning that sorry

2:25:56 ↗ green meaning for example that it's

2:26:00 ↗ identified as a near-term priority and

2:26:02 ↗ more than one City Planning document so

2:26:03 ↗ to get a green uh we have a pretty high

2:26:06 ↗ bar for it to to Really succeed in that

2:26:10 ↗ criteria yellow is uh you know it's

2:26:13 ↗ maybe identified as a midterm priority

2:26:15 ↗ or it's in one city plan or something

2:26:17 ↗ like that and then read that it's not

2:26:20 ↗ really identified as part of adopted

2:26:23 ↗ planning document we haven't really

2:26:25 ↗ heard much about it in terms of

2:26:26 ↗ community priority this is just an

2:26:28 ↗ example it's not meant for us to

2:26:32 ↗ um really go over and Wordsmith and all

2:26:34 ↗ of that again there's a process that

2:26:35 ↗ we're going to do that I just wanted to

2:26:37 ↗ show the difference that we're proposing

2:26:40 ↗ with these criteria and how we use them

2:26:41 ↗ from check the box yes no to okay how

2:26:45 ↗ well does it accomplish this criteria

2:26:48 ↗ and that's going to be that's what we're

2:26:50 ↗ proposing to use the criteria

2:26:51 ↗ differently set the bar a little higher

2:26:53 ↗ Court how we conduct these products and

2:26:55 ↗ put them into this VIP

2:26:58 ↗ so questions of how we would use the

2:27:00 ↗ criteria

2:27:04 ↗ okay next

2:27:08 ↗ so process

2:27:10 ↗ um so what we wanted to do given that we

2:27:12 ↗ wanted to update this criteria and we

2:27:14 ↗ wanted to evolve our boards on some of

2:27:16 ↗ our boards and commissions in this those

2:27:17 ↗ boards that touch on this stuff a little

2:27:19 ↗ bit more than others we wanted to take

2:27:22 ↗ these draft criteria after hearing from

2:27:24 ↗ you today and work with four of our

2:27:28 ↗ boards and commissions that deal more

2:27:30 ↗ directly with these types of issues so

2:27:34 ↗ those boards and commissions would be

2:27:36 ↗ our

2:27:37 ↗ um

2:27:38 ↗ obviously our Park board our

2:27:41 ↗ transportation Advisory Board

2:27:43 ↗ um being the two boards that really work

2:27:46 ↗ um and provide uh advice to the city on

2:27:50 ↗ capital projects um but also the equity

2:27:52 ↗ Board of the environmental court and to

2:27:54 ↗ take these criteria to them and say what

2:27:58 ↗ what do you think is this a good start

2:28:00 ↗ how can we refine this to make sure that

2:28:01 ↗ these criteria reflect uh for the

2:28:04 ↗ environmental board for example does the

2:28:06 ↗ environmental criteria we have

2:28:08 ↗ um does that reflect the the icap and

2:28:11 ↗ the goals and I have how how does that

2:28:13 ↗ reflect that it's saying for

2:28:17 ↗ um same for the equity board to look at

2:28:20 ↗ the equity criteria as we've defined it

2:28:22 ↗ and how do we refine this and make it

2:28:23 ↗ better into the CIP so that so we want

2:28:27 ↗ to go to the boards and ask them to take

2:28:29 ↗ a look at those criteria and help us

2:28:31 ↗ refine them and get them to a really

2:28:32 ↗ good point then we will use that

2:28:34 ↗ criteria to draft the

2:28:37 ↗ such as CIP staff provide their

2:28:39 ↗ submissions based off of all those

2:28:41 ↗ adopted plans that we talked about

2:28:42 ↗ earlier and other inputs and then create

2:28:47 ↗ the draft CIP and take that back to

2:28:49 ↗ those four boards and say how did we do

2:28:51 ↗ did we apply the criteria well do you

2:28:54 ↗ think that this worked well and get

2:28:55 ↗ feedback on how well this dip meets

2:28:59 ↗ those criteria that the boards helped us

2:29:01 ↗ refine and establish

2:29:03 ↗ and then

2:29:05 ↗ um then once we hear back from the

2:29:07 ↗ boards the boards will provide that

2:29:08 ↗ feedback we would then communicate that

2:29:10 ↗ to the council committees that's when

2:29:11 ↗ the council committees each get to

2:29:13 ↗ review their section of the CIP so as

2:29:16 ↗ part of the council rules the council

2:29:18 ↗ committees

2:29:19 ↗ um mobility and infrastructure for

2:29:21 ↗ example would take a look at the

2:29:22 ↗ transportation projects water and sewer

2:29:25 ↗ products

2:29:27 ↗ Safety Services and Parks committee will

2:29:30 ↗ look at facilities Fleet I.T equipment

2:29:32 ↗ and parks and trails and the Planning

2:29:36 ↗ Development environment committee would

2:29:38 ↗ look at Surf and stormwater projects and

2:29:41 ↗ so that's how we have it divided up so

2:29:44 ↗ far in the council rules um so we take

2:29:46 ↗ so each committee would be able to take

2:29:47 ↗ that section of this CIP and take a look

2:29:50 ↗ at those projects and provide comments

2:29:51 ↗ and review then

2:29:54 ↗ we would all get together as a committee

2:29:56 ↗ of the whole

2:29:57 ↗ to discuss the entire CIP as a whole and

2:30:01 ↗ Council will be able to review it and

2:30:03 ↗ discuss it as a whole and provide your

2:30:04 ↗ feedback then and then last step would

2:30:07 ↗ be Council adoption so that's how we're

2:30:09 ↗ talking about refining the criteria how

2:30:12 ↗ what the board role is going to be and

2:30:14 ↗ refining the criteria and helping shape

2:30:16 ↗ the CIP that means that we're not asking

2:30:18 ↗ the board to pick certain projects most

2:30:22 ↗ of these boards like tab like

2:30:25 ↗ um cardboard have already provided a lot

2:30:28 ↗ of input in those projects when we made

2:30:30 ↗ the master Mobility plan or the par

2:30:33 ↗ strategic plan and so now we're asking

2:30:35 ↗ them to help us refine the criteria to

2:30:38 ↗ get into the city yeah does that make

2:30:40 ↗ sense when it comes to process and board

2:30:42 ↗ role and Council committee role any

2:30:44 ↗ questions about those things

2:30:47 ↗ so this again makes sense for this first

2:30:50 ↗ process

2:30:52 ↗ what is the proposed process for a

2:30:56 ↗ two-year update would it go back to the

2:30:58 ↗ boards would it go back to the council

2:31:00 ↗ committees I think we need to learn

2:31:02 ↗ those lessons so if we hear back from

2:31:04 ↗ the boards at this stage when we say how

2:31:07 ↗ did we do with the draft CIP and these

2:31:09 ↗ criteria did that work and we heard the

2:31:12 ↗ board say boy we got it all wrong then I

2:31:14 ↗ think we need to think about what is

2:31:16 ↗ that next process what are the lessons

2:31:18 ↗ we can learn and we type so I think

2:31:20 ↗ we're a little too early in the process

2:31:21 ↗ to think about what's going to happen

2:31:23 ↗ two years from now we need to evaluate

2:31:25 ↗ how well this process is going to work

2:31:27 ↗ this year

2:31:28 ↗ sure thanks I that was exactly spot on

2:31:33 ↗ what I was thinking but also

2:31:35 ↗ um

2:31:36 ↗ you know with some other processes that

2:31:39 ↗ we have if we use the criteria and we

2:31:41 ↗ end up with a plan that everybody likes

2:31:43 ↗ there's always a council opportunity in

2:31:44 ↗ this kind of year to confirm the

2:31:47 ↗ criteria are working right so it can be

2:31:50 ↗ an iterative

2:31:52 ↗ covering up thank you okay the other

2:31:55 ↗ thing I would say that becomes a

2:31:58 ↗ question for me is it's great to have

2:32:02 ↗ criteria but with a ton of projects and

2:32:06 ↗ limited resources they're also something

2:32:09 ↗ in there about balancing across you know

2:32:13 ↗ Geographic needs and across different

2:32:16 ↗ types of projects

2:32:19 ↗ how is that a criteria that needs to be

2:32:22 ↗ then added this is a great question one

2:32:26 ↗ of the things that City administrator

2:32:27 ↗ Bob the book said earlier today is you

2:32:30 ↗ know this today we're looking at okay

2:32:32 ↗ the administration's got some about this

2:32:34 ↗ and what it's going to look like council

2:32:36 ↗ is providing your insights and your your

2:32:39 ↗ vision for what it should look like we

2:32:40 ↗ need to mesh them together so this is

2:32:43 ↗ this is what we've thought about so far

2:32:44 ↗ uh a lot of the conversations that you

2:32:47 ↗ had earlier about you know what's

2:32:50 ↗ missing in this VIP or what are your

2:32:52 ↗ goals for the CIP we need to then take

2:32:54 ↗ those and incorporate them into this

2:32:56 ↗ process and so you know I I Geographic

2:32:59 ↗ Equity I think that's that's a great

2:33:02 ↗ thing to talk about that can be part of

2:33:04 ↗ that Equity criteria right so we need to

2:33:06 ↗ think about what is the definition of

2:33:08 ↗ equity how do we eat that what does that

2:33:10 ↗ mean for Issaquah and our our goals and

2:33:12 ↗ vision for the CIP and so that should be

2:33:14 ↗ part of our can be part of our

2:33:15 ↗ conversation today and the feedback that

2:33:17 ↗ we get from you but also certainly our

2:33:19 ↗ boards as we talk to them about what is

2:33:21 ↗ what does that mean Geographic Equity is

2:33:23 ↗ just one example of how we can how we

2:33:25 ↗ can incorporate some of this feedback

2:33:28 ↗ and I think at the end of the process

2:33:30 ↗ you're gonna have to take a step back

2:33:31 ↗ and look at the whole thing and you're

2:33:33 ↗ going to have to say okay we've gone

2:33:35 ↗ through a very thoughtful process to get

2:33:37 ↗ here here's where we're at now what does

2:33:39 ↗ it really look like

2:33:40 ↗ um yeah equity's gonna be a piece

2:33:41 ↗ obviously funding's gonna be a piece

2:33:43 ↗ there's going to be a number of things

2:33:44 ↗ which I don't know that you're going to

2:33:46 ↗ be able to put in an exact measure to

2:33:48 ↗ but I think to have a conversation with

2:33:50 ↗ those thoughts of mine uh toward the end

2:33:52 ↗ will probably help your costume but

2:33:54 ↗ we'll go back and if there's if there's

2:33:57 ↗ a better way or an intermediate step

2:33:58 ↗ that makes sense we'll we'll come back

2:34:01 ↗ with some ideas but my guess is it's

2:34:03 ↗ going to be you're going to look at the

2:34:05 ↗ the big picture and have that big

2:34:07 ↗ picture look informed by some of these

2:34:09 ↗ issues yeah I think my only problem with

2:34:12 ↗ looking back is that we tend to you know

2:34:17 ↗ it's much easier to keep a ball rolling

2:34:18 ↗ than it is to stop it at a certain point

2:34:22 ↗ and so if I'm looking at this and going

2:34:24 ↗ okay the boards provide the criteria

2:34:27 ↗ and then the board feedback on how the

2:34:31 ↗ draft CIP meets the criteria

2:34:34 ↗ in between that is Staff making some

2:34:39 ↗ choices about what's in and what's out

2:34:45 ↗ based on the criteria but also based on

2:34:48 ↗ the idea that you know we have a certain

2:34:51 ↗ like our strategic plan or Community

2:34:54 ↗ survey says some things are more

2:34:55 ↗ important than the others and that's why

2:34:58 ↗ you all got a lot

2:35:00 ↗ but where I'm looking at that that's

2:35:04 ↗ between step one and step two and in

2:35:07 ↗ some ways we're proposing not doing that

2:35:11 ↗ kind of overview look at the balancing

2:35:14 ↗ until yep step four

2:35:17 ↗ well but but you need a hole to do that

2:35:21 ↗ so I think we're coming to the table

2:35:23 ↗ saying we get that equity on many levels

2:35:26 ↗ is really important to us and we are

2:35:28 ↗ we'll do our best to incorporate that we

2:35:32 ↗ want additional feedback from you from

2:35:34 ↗ board the commissions

2:35:36 ↗ um you know we have to add a different

2:35:38 ↗ way to measure Equity after we have

2:35:40 ↗ those discussions we can do that but

2:35:42 ↗ really you're going to have a whole

2:35:44 ↗ bunch of projects staff's going to come

2:35:46 ↗ back and say we only have so much

2:35:47 ↗ capacity we're going to come back

2:35:49 ↗ Robert's going to come back and say you

2:35:50 ↗ only have so much money

2:35:52 ↗ um and then you're just gonna have to

2:35:54 ↗ make decisions our job hopefully is your

2:35:57 ↗ staff Administration is to have as much

2:35:59 ↗ data before you as possible give you our

2:36:02 ↗ best recommendations but then you're

2:36:04 ↗ going to have to decide if something's

2:36:05 ↗ not right on whatever measure Equity

2:36:08 ↗ funding staff resources

2:36:11 ↗ what we'll deal with it at that point

2:36:14 ↗ I would also offer that we will have the

2:36:17 ↗ skulls and outcomes chart right so

2:36:20 ↗ that's something that we're going to

2:36:22 ↗ develop at the next I think Committee of

2:36:23 ↗ the whole

2:36:24 ↗ um is when we we have that scheduled so

2:36:26 ↗ when we when the administration drafts

2:36:29 ↗ the CIP and starts making that document

2:36:32 ↗ public and having public discussions

2:36:34 ↗ about it we will have looked through

2:36:35 ↗ that goals and outcomes chart and do we

2:36:37 ↗ think this drafts CNP Federal's

2:36:39 ↗ announcements chart we're going to get

2:36:41 ↗ feedback there might be some some

2:36:43 ↗ discussions the council committee level

2:36:44 ↗ on that I really anticipate

2:36:48 ↗ um the opportunity to do that here at

2:36:49 ↗ the Cow as well once it's gone through a

2:36:52 ↗ little bit of a process we've had a

2:36:53 ↗ little bit of time to refine it and then

2:36:54 ↗ we'll take out that bills and outcomes

2:36:56 ↗ chart and as Stephanie council president

2:36:58 ↗ Hall said in his opening remarks take

2:37:00 ↗ that step back and look at it as a whole

2:37:01 ↗ and say okay we've gone through this

2:37:03 ↗ process doesn't does it make sense is

2:37:04 ↗ this really does this really mean the

2:37:06 ↗ vision does this really mean the

2:37:08 ↗ original goals that we we set up right

2:37:10 ↗ so I think I think we have this process

2:37:13 ↗ to do that all right Council of remarks

2:37:16 ↗ yeah I just want to say this question

2:37:17 ↗ about weighted prioritization is that

2:37:19 ↗ every engineer struggles with this

2:37:21 ↗ because for instance if you're doing a

2:37:23 ↗ trade setting you're saying do I make

2:37:25 ↗ this thing out of steel or aluminum or

2:37:26 ↗ composite you know you can wake the

2:37:29 ↗ various variables see whatever answer

2:37:30 ↗ you want right so if you if you just

2:37:32 ↗ know your heart at Hearts it should be

2:37:34 ↗ composite you can play with the

2:37:35 ↗ weighting of the variables and voila the

2:37:38 ↗ the trade study shows Composites and to

2:37:40 ↗ Wally's point it's going to come down in

2:37:42 ↗ the end to us right you're going to

2:37:44 ↗ provide us lots of data we're going to

2:37:45 ↗ comb over the data people who think

2:37:47 ↗ Equity should be more important than

2:37:49 ↗ anything except safety will in their

2:37:51 ↗ mind weight it that way and people who

2:37:53 ↗ think budget is more important than

2:37:54 ↗ anything except they say people made it

2:37:56 ↗ that way and so on and so forth but in

2:37:58 ↗ the end the seven of us will then figure

2:37:59 ↗ it out but I'm really excited about the

2:38:01 ↗ data I'm really excited that it's going

2:38:03 ↗ to go to committees that it's going to

2:38:04 ↗ get uh broken out into the Committees

2:38:05 ↗ that is going to be so much work and as

2:38:07 ↗ a committee chair I'm telling you I'm

2:38:09 ↗ excited about that okay

2:38:10 ↗ [Music]

2:38:12 ↗ thank you

2:38:15 ↗ okay

2:38:16 ↗ um oh I'm so sorry yes so

2:38:20 ↗ um when this goes to boards and

2:38:21 ↗ commissions

2:38:22 ↗ uh my question would be the the funding

2:38:26 ↗ there are things that have funding I

2:38:29 ↗ don't think that necessarily means I

2:38:31 ↗ mean needs if hypothetically I'm not

2:38:34 ↗ saying there is a good example of this

2:38:36 ↗ but if it doesn't mean any of the

2:38:37 ↗ criteria except it had funding we

2:38:39 ↗ probably shouldn't do it because it

2:38:40 ↗ probably sets us on a path to needing

2:38:42 ↗ more pending that then we wouldn't have

2:38:44 ↗ Etc

2:38:45 ↗ so the funding went because of that and

2:38:48 ↗ also because that you prioritized it

2:38:50 ↗ like if you were a board and you

2:38:52 ↗ prioritized solar panels on the roof of

2:38:56 ↗ City Hall

2:38:58 ↗ um and then because it met all these

2:38:59 ↗ criteria but it didn't have funding then

2:39:02 ↗ we as council could come to a decision

2:39:04 ↗ about it and put funding so the funding

2:39:06 ↗ one concerns me because it feels like

2:39:08 ↗ there's a piece of that that would

2:39:10 ↗ change during the process because it's

2:39:13 ↗ um there's a piece of it that's

2:39:14 ↗ contingent on the rest of the process at

2:39:16 ↗ least in the way I would hope the

2:39:19 ↗ process would work if we prioritize

2:39:21 ↗ something that doesn't have funding then

2:39:23 ↗ we would look at other Revenue sources

2:39:26 ↗ and find a funding source so having that

2:39:27 ↗ as a criteria kind of

2:39:29 ↗ I think it's more of a context piece

2:39:32 ↗ like it's context that we're leaving so

2:39:34 ↗ many on the table for example but you

2:39:36 ↗ know there's that set up stuff or other

2:39:37 ↗ things and does the project

2:39:40 ↗ I've never particularly that as a

2:39:43 ↗ criteria has never resonated with me

2:39:46 ↗ um and I wonder how boards are going to

2:39:47 ↗ think about it because

2:39:49 ↗ they might see that as oh well we don't

2:39:51 ↗ have funding so

2:39:52 ↗ it's a conflict position

2:39:54 ↗ and and I think you know that's one of

2:39:57 ↗ the other so the criteria is resources

2:40:00 ↗ so it's the Staffing capacity too and

2:40:03 ↗ then it's which comes from funding

2:40:05 ↗ um but then it's how does it sit within

2:40:08 ↗ all the other criteria something's rated

2:40:09 ↗ you know there's I think uh six or seven

2:40:13 ↗ criteria that we're suggesting if

2:40:14 ↗ something created really high on all

2:40:15 ↗ these other criteria then that really

2:40:17 ↗ shows maybe we really need to focus on

2:40:20 ↗ how to get the funding for this it's the

2:40:22 ↗ classic pinch Point problem yeah I mean

2:40:24 ↗ yeah and I wasn't here from us most of

2:40:26 ↗ that so I always say how I perceived it

2:40:28 ↗ uh the council kept saying this is

2:40:30 ↗ important this is important is important

2:40:32 ↗ and the staff dismissed it saying yeah

2:40:34 ↗ okay fine we have nobody to pay for it

2:40:36 ↗ so we'll work on it when we find a way

2:40:37 ↗ to pay for it so there's that missing

2:40:39 ↗ piece of this which is so Central to I

2:40:42 ↗ think everything we're talking about

2:40:43 ↗ today is yes think big have all these

2:40:47 ↗ wonderful Visions for the community you

2:40:50 ↗ know money informs that it's a complete

2:40:52 ↗ the marriage textual piece of it but

2:40:55 ↗ it's not a completely in or completely

2:40:57 ↗ out

2:40:58 ↗ and that's really important and we will

2:41:01 ↗ you know for those Mormon commission

2:41:02 ↗ vendors who have lived through other

2:41:04 ↗ iterations of this we will be very clear

2:41:07 ↗ in saying that so they understand that

2:41:09 ↗ it's contextual yeah

2:41:11 ↗ moving forward because if there are

2:41:13 ↗ really important things that meet all

2:41:15 ↗ these other criteria but there is no

2:41:16 ↗ money

2:41:18 ↗ then our job to figure it out not simply

2:41:21 ↗ to throw up our hands and say sorry

2:41:23 ↗ move on to something you could pay for

2:41:27 ↗ it's a really big Chef yes a really big

2:41:31 ↗ show

2:41:32 ↗ my ask would be then that it is treated

2:41:34 ↗ differently in that list of criteria

2:41:36 ↗ right now it's you know people in that

2:41:39 ↗ list with Community priority which it's

2:41:41 ↗ it's not it's something in the major

2:41:43 ↗ Community priority but we don't

2:41:44 ↗ currently have a funding source

2:41:46 ↗ identified then like you said we need to

2:41:47 ↗ figure it out

2:41:49 ↗ um so our job is to try to be holistic

2:41:51 ↗ too so this is we're getting a little

2:41:54 ↗ bit ahead of ourselves but we're not

2:41:56 ↗ proposing that this is numerically rated

2:41:58 ↗ yeah any of the criteria or you're going

2:42:01 ↗ to hear in a few minutes right yeah you

2:42:02 ↗ have a good time okay did you already

2:42:04 ↗ talk about it okay coffee was important

2:42:07 ↗ right

2:42:09 ↗ you know so we're gonna we're gonna

2:42:12 ↗ eyeball it too

2:42:14 ↗ um again I think we

2:42:17 ↗ you know if the council wants to stick

2:42:19 ↗ it out or put it aside that's fine but I

2:42:22 ↗ again my recommendation is your city

2:42:24 ↗ mystery would be let's Let It Ride

2:42:27 ↗ um you know because there's the human

2:42:28 ↗ piece there's the intellectual piece of

2:42:30 ↗ this it's not just all you know

2:42:34 ↗ we need to step back in the sky

2:42:36 ↗ hopefully we're we have those skills too

2:42:39 ↗ and that we can do the same

2:42:50 ↗ this this gets us to the discussion so

2:42:52 ↗ we're already in the middle of it but

2:42:54 ↗ the first question is Council comparable

2:42:56 ↗ with the I'm sorry for the Arab wording

2:42:59 ↗ on this what the proposed uh criteria

2:43:02 ↗ changes is what I had meant to say here

2:43:05 ↗ so it's kind of so comfortable with the

2:43:06 ↗ criteria

2:43:09 ↗ um that we have and then the second

2:43:10 ↗ question would be is going to feedback

2:43:12 ↗ on the process to revise that criteria

2:43:15 ↗ and refine that criteria

2:43:18 ↗ Council remarks 30-second soapbox

2:43:22 ↗ um honor is defined one definition as uh

2:43:26 ↗ one's word given as a guarantee of

2:43:27 ↗ performance and so at my day job I've

2:43:30 ↗ been trying to instantiate a concept

2:43:32 ↗ called honorable engineering where you

2:43:33 ↗ make commitments in the United States

2:43:35 ↗ commitments I think executing to our

2:43:38 ↗ commitments as an elected body is also

2:43:40 ↗ super important it's why I brought up

2:43:42 ↗ this potential criteria of you know kind

2:43:45 ↗ of existing commitment

2:43:47 ↗ um I think what we say is important and

2:43:49 ↗ I don't think we should re-zero the

2:43:51 ↗ board every year so I I would really

2:43:53 ↗ like to see a criteria that takes into

2:43:55 ↗ account explicitly uh things that we

2:43:57 ↗ have said that we're going to do

2:43:59 ↗ end of surplus

2:44:05 ↗ so I'm kind of been wrestling a little

2:44:07 ↗ bit with the resource question because I

2:44:11 ↗ think it's different and I believe the

2:44:14 ↗ contextual stuff but the resources are

2:44:18 ↗ big in scope and not specifically

2:44:22 ↗ um

2:44:23 ↗ immutably and permanently tied to an

2:44:25 ↗ initiative so I might have resources

2:44:28 ↗ today because we we did that but those

2:44:32 ↗ resources don't have to be tied to that

2:44:35 ↗ um to that project you know unless maybe

2:44:38 ↗ they're coming from an external Source

2:44:39 ↗ or something but when we start looking

2:44:41 ↗ at in the broader context of resources

2:44:42 ↗ and I love where you went Andrea with um

2:44:45 ↗ um you know supply chain it's City staff

2:44:48 ↗ it's all of those things those are very

2:44:50 ↗ fungible across um initiatives and so to

2:44:53 ↗ Victoria's point it's like you know just

2:44:55 ↗ because I had funding yesterday

2:44:57 ↗ because of some some model doesn't mean

2:45:00 ↗ I should have funding tomorrow I think I

2:45:02 ↗ I think it's an important that's an

2:45:03 ↗ essential criteria but I think it sits

2:45:07 ↗ um on a different dimension

2:45:09 ↗ um so that I mean that's that's the only

2:45:11 ↗ feedback I would have on that the

2:45:13 ↗ proposed changes I generally like them

2:45:14 ↗ but I think that one is that's a

2:45:16 ↗ different Critter that's a that's a

2:45:19 ↗ that's a horizontal where these others

2:45:20 ↗ are vertical

2:45:22 ↗ [Music]

2:45:23 ↗ can I ask a clarifying question no

2:45:26 ↗ [Laughter]

2:45:29 ↗ [Music]

2:45:30 ↗ specifically referring to funding or the

2:45:32 ↗ other components when it comes to

2:45:34 ↗ resources all of the resource

2:45:36 ↗ constraints I think are are fungible and

2:45:39 ↗ and can be moved around so let's say

2:45:41 ↗ it's uh you know the constraint was was

2:45:44 ↗ engineering because that's that's a

2:45:45 ↗ constraint right now right well I may

2:45:48 ↗ have an engineer that I've assigned to

2:45:50 ↗ this project but that's not an important

2:45:51 ↗ project anymore that that resource is

2:45:53 ↗ fundable I can move it so saying well we

2:45:56 ↗ already got an engineer so this one's a

2:45:58 ↗ higher priority I don't think that fits

2:45:59 ↗ but I think it's it it's it's an

2:46:01 ↗ essential to look at it but it's not

2:46:04 ↗ necessarily

2:46:06 ↗ the same project

2:46:08 ↗ and again I look at a completely mere

2:46:11 ↗ opposite I guess that you know it's

2:46:14 ↗ you know we have to be informed by the

2:46:17 ↗ budget issue but that's why you have a

2:46:19 ↗ capital budget process different from a

2:46:20 ↗ capital planning process and I think

2:46:22 ↗ that fungibility piece comes in the

2:46:25 ↗ capital budgeting process more than the

2:46:27 ↗ capital planning process they're they're

2:46:29 ↗ they're inextric they're related

2:46:31 ↗ obviously but then that's the

2:46:34 ↗ administration's responsibility through

2:46:35 ↗ the budget and through assignments

2:46:38 ↗ because part of this too is Emily how

2:46:40 ↗ many Engineers do you have half dozen

2:46:44 ↗ about seven seven Okay so you budget

2:46:48 ↗ line item in a budget seven Engineers

2:46:50 ↗ those engineers at least currently are

2:46:52 ↗ not tied to anything other than their

2:46:55 ↗ seven engineers and so every year

2:46:57 ↗ through the budget process we evaluated

2:46:59 ↗ separate Engineers enough Emily gets the

2:47:02 ↗ budget on January 1. she decides okay

2:47:04 ↗ how am I going to assign those engineers

2:47:07 ↗ so that's informed by the capital plan

2:47:09 ↗ that's informed by the capital budget

2:47:10 ↗ it's informed by her best estimate of

2:47:13 ↗ who those seven Engineers are and what

2:47:15 ↗ they can do yeah so so I think I don't

2:47:18 ↗ think we're saying flipped I think we're

2:47:19 ↗ seeing it the same I mean I think it's

2:47:20 ↗ you know and you can move those around

2:47:22 ↗ but just because maybe we had thought

2:47:25 ↗ that we were doing this one or we had

2:47:27 ↗ assigned resources doesn't mean if the

2:47:29 ↗ priorities shake out differently that we

2:47:30 ↗ continue to do it by factoring in

2:47:32 ↗ resources as a as an evaluation criteria

2:47:36 ↗ but

2:47:39 ↗ you know I again I think there there are

2:47:42 ↗ multiple kinds of resources some of

2:47:44 ↗ those are planned resources some of

2:47:45 ↗ those are budgeted resources and some of

2:47:47 ↗ those are the demanded resources and so

2:47:49 ↗ I think all three of those components

2:47:51 ↗ are different

2:47:52 ↗ um but at the end of the day if you if

2:47:54 ↗ there are parts of a project that have

2:47:57 ↗ purchase have you know outside

2:47:59 ↗ Contracting all of those things are

2:48:02 ↗ pieces of that too so

2:48:04 ↗ um again Capital planning versus Capital

2:48:07 ↗ budgeting versus you know execution I

2:48:10 ↗ mean we have to be careful not to switch

2:48:12 ↗ too much of them around there there are

2:48:14 ↗ silos I hate to use the word silos but

2:48:17 ↗ they're kind of are silos to it

2:48:20 ↗ um so can I say I've heard this a few

2:48:23 ↗ times from people and I think there's

2:48:26 ↗ maybe a confusion about how

2:48:30 ↗ identified and you know resources fit

2:48:35 ↗ into this so can we maybe put a pin in

2:48:38 ↗ that and say that's something that maybe

2:48:40 ↗ we need to come back to and have a

2:48:42 ↗ conversation on whether that is part of

2:48:45 ↗ the board

2:48:46 ↗ um criteria or just staff

2:48:48 ↗ how it figures in okay

2:48:51 ↗ thanks

2:48:53 ↗ um I would just ask the administration

2:48:55 ↗ to

2:48:57 ↗ um make sure that Equity doesn't get

2:48:59 ↗ lost in the equation I mean it seems

2:49:01 ↗ that we're going to be stripping out

2:49:02 ↗ things for the equity board to be

2:49:04 ↗ consider and yet the committee or the

2:49:07 ↗ the board of commission that has the

2:49:09 ↗ project itself is going to be looking at

2:49:10 ↗ it as well and they may put an equity

2:49:13 ↗ lens to it

2:49:15 ↗ also and so if those two conflict or

2:49:18 ↗ those two get somehow get lost in the in

2:49:21 ↗ the the shuffle that's being discussed

2:49:22 ↗ and then we lose kind of that that focus

2:49:26 ↗ and also if Equity doesn't have the

2:49:29 ↗ funding behind it but the community is

2:49:31 ↗ really wants to see it based on just the

2:49:34 ↗ current socioeconomic and the the the

2:49:37 ↗ currents that are going on in the world

2:49:40 ↗ um the waiting I think is is important

2:49:41 ↗ that the total March points out too

2:49:44 ↗ um so my concern is that Equity is not

2:49:47 ↗ just attached to one project all the way

2:49:49 ↗ through and only one committee you've

2:49:51 ↗ got two people looking at or the equity

2:49:52 ↗ committee looking at it and another lens

2:49:54 ↗ from the committee that's looking at the

2:49:56 ↗ project itself so just don't want us to

2:49:58 ↗ lose that and I think it's important to

2:50:00 ↗ make sure that it it continues to be

2:50:03 ↗ tracked

2:50:07 ↗ um Bellevue CIP has some really

2:50:10 ↗ interesting criteria in the financial

2:50:11 ↗ factors they mentioned Revenue

2:50:14 ↗ generating process projects cost versus

2:50:18 ↗ benefit

2:50:19 ↗ um sunk costs

2:50:21 ↗ avoided costs and stewardship and I

2:50:25 ↗ think all of those are really important

2:50:27 ↗ in evaluating which projects it's not

2:50:30 ↗ just about what resources do we put into

2:50:32 ↗ it but also can we generate Revenue are

2:50:36 ↗ we avoiding costs you know

2:50:39 ↗ um all of those things that make us

2:50:41 ↗ effective users of our money so I would

2:50:43 ↗ advocate for that as part of the

2:50:45 ↗ criteria

2:50:47 ↗ okay I'm I'm looking at my notetaker

2:50:49 ↗ here and seeing if you got all of those

2:50:51 ↗ right Bellevue CIP okay great thank you

2:50:59 ↗ my mind was just kind of going lower

2:51:01 ↗ because you said some costs which

2:51:02 ↗ reminded me a lot of what I told him was

2:51:04 ↗ just talking about with regard to you

2:51:06 ↗ know staying committed to what we've

2:51:08 ↗ committed to funds

2:51:10 ↗ um if we've already put resources into

2:51:12 ↗ something to follow through for the

2:51:13 ↗ community so I wonder if that's actually

2:51:15 ↗ part of that

2:51:17 ↗ identified resources element to

2:51:20 ↗ um I could see how commitment to

2:51:22 ↗ community your commitment to what we've

2:51:24 ↗ said we're going to do fits into a lot

2:51:26 ↗ of these so I'm not necessarily sure if

2:51:27 ↗ it needs to be stand out or not but I

2:51:30 ↗ definitely I think that's a point well

2:51:32 ↗ taken that needs to live in this

2:51:34 ↗ um one question and well actually first

2:51:37 ↗ I want to say ditto about equity and

2:51:40 ↗ which makes it so important for us to

2:51:42 ↗ Define what that means

2:51:45 ↗ um to the extent that's possible I don't

2:51:48 ↗ know how the equity board is going to

2:51:50 ↗ Grapple about that I look forward to

2:51:52 ↗ letting them do that work seeing how

2:51:55 ↗ other communities across the country

2:51:56 ↗ have done that and how they've

2:51:58 ↗ Incorporated that into the

2:51:59 ↗ infrastructure planning will be

2:52:00 ↗ interesting too

2:52:02 ↗ um one question so our current CIP

2:52:04 ↗ there's a kind of a narrative paragraph

2:52:06 ↗ right before the current criteria that

2:52:09 ↗ talks about how previously in previous

2:52:12 ↗ iterations of the CIP

2:52:14 ↗ um projects would be ranked and it was

2:52:17 ↗ very subjective and so that's kind of

2:52:19 ↗ why we moved away from this do you have

2:52:22 ↗ any concern that that it's still kind of

2:52:25 ↗ subjective and how do we get towards

2:52:27 ↗ more objective

2:52:29 ↗ I think there's always going to be human

2:52:31 ↗ judgment in this process and I think

2:52:34 ↗ that's the reality and that's why we

2:52:35 ↗ have I mean if you take a look at this

2:52:37 ↗ process there's a lot of involvement of

2:52:40 ↗ boards and a lot of people get to weigh

2:52:41 ↗ in and and apply their human judgment

2:52:44 ↗ and you know

2:52:46 ↗ um so hopefully that results in a really

2:52:48 ↗ good outcome but I think uh also what we

2:52:52 ↗ want to do is set up the structure

2:52:54 ↗ um in this case but the criteria and

2:52:57 ↗ what defines red yellow green

2:53:01 ↗ um to try to take

2:53:02 ↗ some of that subjectiveness out so

2:53:06 ↗ um and not just saying yes it means no

2:53:08 ↗ it doesn't

2:53:10 ↗ um it's I think in the Middle Ground

2:53:11 ↗ between yes or no and we're gonna give

2:53:14 ↗ it a 7.5 on Equity because of this

2:53:17 ↗ reason and this other thing we're going

2:53:19 ↗ to score in a 3.25 you know out of 10.

2:53:22 ↗ so we're trying to find the middle

2:53:23 ↗ ground that

2:53:25 ↗ um gives a good framework that can be

2:53:28 ↗ consistently applied but still

2:53:30 ↗ recognizing that there is human judgment

2:53:32 ↗ in all of this this

2:53:34 ↗ okay I buy that and I think the red

2:53:36 ↗ yellow green is a good model

2:53:40 ↗ um the other thing too when when I think

2:53:42 ↗ about these criteria is you know earlier

2:53:45 ↗ I talked about how we have this kind of

2:53:47 ↗ lack of a compelling Vision or message

2:53:50 ↗ that our CIP sends in terms of what the

2:53:52 ↗ future of infrastructure is in Issaquah

2:53:55 ↗ and

2:53:56 ↗ um

2:53:57 ↗ what it means for our community the

2:53:59 ↗ criteria actually helped tell that story

2:54:01 ↗ a little bit about what's important to

2:54:02 ↗ us and what the future is going to look

2:54:05 ↗ like so I would ask that the boards and

2:54:08 ↗ commissions that we are talking to have

2:54:10 ↗ some time to

2:54:12 ↗ um to borrow work from from Chris o'pine

2:54:14 ↗ on that

2:54:16 ↗ um

2:54:16 ↗ on this criteria with regard to vision

2:54:19 ↗ and is this the right Vision that we're

2:54:21 ↗ setting up for the infrastructure and

2:54:23 ↗ capital investments in the community I

2:54:26 ↗ think we would get some valuable

2:54:27 ↗ feedback from them about that

2:54:29 ↗ I like that idea of envisioning do these

2:54:33 ↗ criteria get us where we want to be not

2:54:36 ↗ just are these the right criteria

2:54:42 ↗ two things I really really like one is I

2:54:46 ↗ I particularly like the idea if we said

2:54:48 ↗ we were going to do it then we need to

2:54:50 ↗ wait it more heavily and do it the only

2:54:51 ↗ slippery slope we I worry about is

2:54:54 ↗ um

2:54:54 ↗ we also need the ability to kill

2:54:56 ↗ something that needs to die so so that's

2:54:59 ↗ the copper step but I think that all too

2:55:01 ↗ often we keep saying we're gonna do

2:55:02 ↗ something to do something we'd ever do

2:55:04 ↗ it so yes second thing I love love the

2:55:07 ↗ idea of having very specific uh

2:55:10 ↗ descriptors of what makes a green in

2:55:12 ↗ this particular criteria and what makes

2:55:14 ↗ it yellow so that it drives some of that

2:55:16 ↗ subjectivity out of it it's like kind of

2:55:18 ↗ feels like a green to me and it's like

2:55:20 ↗ here are the here are the here are the

2:55:21 ↗ attributes here are the attributes

2:55:24 ↗ I just think that that is that makes for

2:55:27 ↗ a really cleaner model it's a little

2:55:29 ↗ more work up front obviously but I think

2:55:31 ↗ we will we will appreciate that greatly

2:55:35 ↗ over time so and would you say that

2:55:37 ↗ those criteria things examples might be

2:55:40 ↗ different if it was a Parks project

2:55:42 ↗ versus a transportation project versus

2:55:46 ↗ I don't know I mean ultimately I would

2:55:49 ↗ like it not to be I'd like it was

2:55:51 ↗ attributes to be sufficiently Broad in

2:55:53 ↗ scope so that it was a part Parks or

2:55:55 ↗ road or whatever they would fit but that

2:55:58 ↗ being said there may be somewhere they

2:56:01 ↗ break out so you know maybe you know

2:56:04 ↗ some of them

2:56:05 ↗ break out differently and some of them

2:56:07 ↗ are the same so yeah if they Define the

2:56:10 ↗ attributes of of a of a rating yeah okay

2:56:14 ↗ so um also we're about 45 minutes behind

2:56:16 ↗ so how are we doing on this so this is

2:56:18 ↗ good so if unless there's any other

2:56:21 ↗ comments or questions I think we're

2:56:22 ↗ ready to move on

2:56:35 ↗ was it a previous CIP or how many times

2:56:38 ↗ the council

2:56:40 ↗ complains that why haven't you done it

2:56:43 ↗ um because because my fear is is that if

2:56:48 ↗ it's anything that's in the previous CIP

2:56:49 ↗ you're losing it

2:56:50 ↗ so maybe you have to you the council has

2:56:53 ↗ to have special powers to designate

2:56:56 ↗ something uh because otherwise you may

2:56:59 ↗ it would be really hard

2:57:01 ↗ other than yeah you complain about but I

2:57:04 ↗ think it like any other of these

2:57:05 ↗ criteria it ought to have attributes so

2:57:07 ↗ if it's if a green yellow red too in

2:57:10 ↗ terms of previous Commitment if it was

2:57:12 ↗ these three things and it's a green if

2:57:14 ↗ it's these two it's a red if it's you

2:57:16 ↗ know something else is yellow

2:57:19 ↗ so I think that it can it can have the

2:57:21 ↗ same you can use the same model and we

2:57:22 ↗ can but one of those things may be

2:57:24 ↗ Council has complained about it over

2:57:26 ↗ five budgets yeah you know

2:57:29 ↗ I I think part of that is that the

2:57:32 ↗ community's priorities

2:57:34 ↗ um one of the things we've heard about

2:57:36 ↗ certain projects like sidewalks and

2:57:38 ↗ squawk is that it's been something

2:57:40 ↗ that's been on people's minds for so

2:57:42 ↗ long but they sort of don't maybe bring

2:57:45 ↗ that to council anymore because it isn't

2:57:48 ↗ moving forward and so it's kind of like

2:57:50 ↗ that um

2:57:52 ↗ so there's been a drop off versus a new

2:57:54 ↗ drop off of Engagement versus a new

2:57:57 ↗ project that's on everybody's mind and

2:57:59 ↗ so I think having that history is an

2:58:01 ↗ important piece because

2:58:04 ↗ um

2:58:04 ↗ yeah I mean and I I brought that up like

2:58:08 ↗ before about having the history also in

2:58:10 ↗ the document I think it's an important

2:58:11 ↗ piece of the context I don't know how to

2:58:14 ↗ make it a criteria but I do think it's

2:58:16 ↗ an important piece

2:58:19 ↗ one possible solution you know in the

2:58:22 ↗ same way that we treat spending bills

2:58:25 ↗ different than other bills in terms of

2:58:27 ↗ getting a quorum from Council you could

2:58:29 ↗ treat votes on spending to treat the

2:58:31 ↗ other votes right and we've actually

2:58:33 ↗ Pony money up for something that seems

2:58:36 ↗ to be a different kind of commitment

2:58:37 ↗ rather than a qualitative commitment but

2:58:39 ↗ just an idea

2:58:43 ↗ so is that the end of the criteria and

2:58:47 ↗ role of the boards and commissions it I

2:58:50 ↗ believe so I think what I also heard was

2:58:52 ↗ general buy-in on the process that we

2:58:55 ↗ would use to refine these criteria in

2:58:57 ↗ the boarding commission rules so I'm

2:58:59 ↗ getting some nods so that's great um we

2:59:02 ↗ can move on and I actually think we're

2:59:03 ↗ doing okay on time

2:59:05 ↗ um if we're ready to just dive into the

2:59:07 ↗ next okay we don't have a ton of slides

2:59:09 ↗ in any of these sections so

2:59:13 ↗ um

2:59:16 ↗ and that has been uh she's she's here

2:59:19 ↗ we're I'm confirming if we don't mind

2:59:22 ↗ pausing for it I'm just confirming that

2:59:24 ↗ our audio is still working

2:59:27 ↗ um exercise on the screen

2:59:30 ↗ I'm just try turning it on and off oh

2:59:35 ↗ this is so fun

2:59:40 ↗ [Music]

2:59:42 ↗ I think tissues to get an honorary PhD

2:59:45 ↗ and information technology

2:59:54 ↗ um

2:59:59 ↗ [Music]

3:00:02 ↗ might

3:00:15 ↗ work on it okay

3:00:24 ↗ you know if we want if we want the

3:00:27 ↗ PowerPoint back we might need to take a

3:00:28 ↗ break so I can really find the meeting

3:00:30 ↗ again

3:00:32 ↗ okay

3:00:33 ↗ five minutes okay

3:00:36 ↗ counting down

3:00:39 ↗ if we'll get some more coffee yeah or

3:01:29 ↗ [Music]

3:01:46 ↗ yes and we need to cover the funding and

3:01:48 ↗ revenue options and then the work plan

3:01:50 ↗ and Council agenda so is your is your

3:01:53 ↗ sense that that's less than 45 minutes

3:01:55 ↗ so we're playing stuff oh yeah okay so

3:01:59 ↗ how much time would you like to have at

3:02:00 ↗ the end to do that 15 20 minutes

3:02:06 ↗ so yeah

3:02:09 ↗ okay so by by 135 we should shoot to be

3:02:13 ↗ down yes okay

3:02:16 ↗ yeah do we have any public participants

3:02:20 ↗ okay one 145. okay yeah

3:02:28 ↗ okay you got 58 minutes okay

3:02:34 ↗ great uh we don't have that many slides

3:02:36 ↗ so wonderful um so this Fortune we

3:02:39 ↗ really want to talk about so we talked

3:02:40 ↗ about the CIP update process we talked

3:02:43 ↗ about you know different goals for the

3:02:45 ↗ CIP we talked about Boards of commission

3:02:47 ↗ rules we talked about

3:02:49 ↗ um

3:02:50 ↗ uh the overall process for updating the

3:02:52 ↗ CSA now we want to talk about some of

3:02:56 ↗ the things

3:03:00 ↗ IP so uh this is really about the

3:03:03 ↗ administration's proposal to fund the

3:03:05 ↗ different Capital priorities the next

3:03:07 ↗ slide shows an overview of the task

3:03:10 ↗ force recommendations and so one of the

3:03:12 ↗ things we had mentioned earlier was

3:03:14 ↗ wanting to make sure that we didn't

3:03:15 ↗ forget this work that we incorporated

3:03:16 ↗ this work to build off of this work that

3:03:18 ↗ was done last year in the Empire and so

3:03:22 ↗ overview of the task force

3:03:24 ↗ recommendations you'll see short term

3:03:26 ↗ which was zero to three years from last

3:03:28 ↗ year they wanted us to use I think fun

3:03:30 ↗ balance and arpa money American Recovery

3:03:33 ↗ plan act money

3:03:34 ↗ um in the short term of a mix of

3:03:37 ↗ projects across the categories

3:03:39 ↗ um as directed by city council that was

3:03:41 ↗ the first recommendation of what to do

3:03:43 ↗ in the short term and that we have we

3:03:45 ↗ are applying towards right we picked

3:03:47 ↗ those project Community investment

3:03:49 ↗ strategy we're working on those projects

3:03:51 ↗ we got some extra resources in terms of

3:03:53 ↗ staff to be able to accomplish those

3:03:55 ↗ projects

3:03:56 ↗ um so that we are actively working on

3:04:00 ↗ and implementing the second medium term

3:04:03 ↗ four to six years is to examine new

3:04:05 ↗ Revenue sources

3:04:07 ↗ so that would under the task force

3:04:09 ↗ recommendations that was a livelihood

3:04:11 ↗ lift or Transportation benefit district

3:04:13 ↗ sales tax that was their recommendation

3:04:15 ↗ to examine those new Revenue sources

3:04:18 ↗ which would need to go to the voters and

3:04:21 ↗ to fund the transportation primarily but

3:04:24 ↗ possibly other needs

3:04:26 ↗ um

3:04:27 ↗ they did say transportation and Mobility

3:04:30 ↗ is our number one priority and we should

3:04:31 ↗ think about how to move the needle on

3:04:33 ↗ that first

3:04:35 ↗ um they also said parks and trails and

3:04:37 ↗ Facilities were also really important

3:04:39 ↗ they didn't want to rank them

3:04:41 ↗ um and

3:04:43 ↗ uh so long term

3:04:45 ↗ six to nine years they wanted the city

3:04:47 ↗ to examine a Parks District which would

3:04:49 ↗ again be a new voter approved Revenue

3:04:52 ↗ Source uh to provide for parks and

3:04:54 ↗ trails and so that was an overview of

3:04:56 ↗ their recommendation that task force

3:04:59 ↗ also felt uh ill-qualified to provide

3:05:01 ↗ recommendations on facilities that was

3:05:03 ↗ something they really felt like the

3:05:04 ↗ administration should weigh in on in

3:05:06 ↗ terms of what are the needs how

3:05:08 ↗ important and Urgent are those needs

3:05:11 ↗ because they're nice in your summary I

3:05:14 ↗ think the only thing you're missing is

3:05:15 ↗ in the medium term you characterize

3:05:17 ↗ those as voter approved I think we there

3:05:19 ↗ was also a conversation about

3:05:20 ↗ complimatic bonding Authority uh which

3:05:23 ↗ is not

3:05:24 ↗ I just want to mention that thank you

3:05:26 ↗ thank you that's true it sends that

3:05:27 ↗ conversation some changes that the state

3:05:29 ↗ legislature have changed

3:05:35 ↗ um we have a staggering I mean it's not

3:05:37 ↗ necessarily a good idea to use we have a

3:05:39 ↗ staggering amount of complemented

3:05:40 ↗ funding Authority at this moment when I

3:05:42 ↗ started on Council we didn't it was

3:05:43 ↗ actually done but because we haven't

3:05:45 ↗ used it at all in 12 years we have an

3:05:47 ↗ immense amount it would torpedo our

3:05:49 ↗ finances use all of it but to use some

3:05:52 ↗ of it is a strategic conversation

3:05:54 ↗ thank you

3:05:58 ↗ um so that's an overview any other

3:06:00 ↗ questions about task force

3:06:02 ↗ recommendations

3:06:03 ↗ let's go on to the next slide then

3:06:05 ↗ please

3:06:07 ↗ and this is where I'll bring up Robert

3:06:09 ↗ Chief Financial Officer to talk about

3:06:11 ↗ the general fund and this goes into our

3:06:14 ↗ ability to pay for some of the

3:06:15 ↗ councilmatic bonds bonds as well so

3:06:17 ↗ Robert yes

3:06:19 ↗ thank you Andrea

3:06:21 ↗ so with the general fund

3:06:23 ↗ is we've discussed to know with members

3:06:26 ↗ of the task force we did present some of

3:06:27 ↗ this information last year and we also

3:06:30 ↗ presented this no biennial budget so

3:06:31 ↗ current

3:06:32 ↗ yeah these are not enough to cover

3:06:34 ↗ facilities Capital costs without a

3:06:36 ↗ significant reduction in service meaning

3:06:37 ↗ we have everything in one pot right now

3:06:39 ↗ what's you know a strong point of the

3:06:41 ↗ city is we have very little debt

3:06:42 ↗ outstanding on the general obligation

3:06:44 ↗ side but at the same time our general

3:06:47 ↗ fund is covering a multitude of expenses

3:06:49 ↗ of course with the base Levy the base

3:06:52 ↗ taxes that we have with utility tax

3:06:53 ↗ sales tax fees of course charity by the

3:06:56 ↗ city revenues and expenditures right now

3:06:58 ↗ this is the same forecast that was

3:07:00 ↗ presented last year during the budget

3:07:03 ↗ process but we did add it to go through

3:07:05 ↗ 2029 and we're still balanced through

3:07:07 ↗ 2029 assuming a strong economy that

3:07:10 ↗ balance includes still the council

3:07:12 ↗ targeted 15 of unrestricted fund balance

3:07:15 ↗ we're still there

3:07:17 ↗ um but that's about to get to 2029 it's

3:07:19 ↗ about 10.6 million dollars and so I want

3:07:22 ↗ you to think the what if meaning

3:07:24 ↗ unfortunately sometimes we're like we're

3:07:26 ↗ going to do business what is the worst

3:07:27 ↗ case that could happen to the city it

3:07:29 ↗ would be a recession of course there's

3:07:31 ↗ been a lot of talk of it but we're still

3:07:32 ↗ not seeing that happening yet we're

3:07:34 ↗ still seeing

3:07:35 ↗ um we look like we're ending the year uh

3:07:38 ↗ we have one month outstanding of their

3:07:40 ↗ sales tax for example or written in a

3:07:41 ↗ year right on target at this point right

3:07:43 ↗ in the year on target with almost all of

3:07:46 ↗ our Revenue sources so we're still you

3:07:47 ↗ know looking strong that being said if

3:07:50 ↗ you did have a downturn and you wanted

3:07:51 ↗ to see what the impact would be the

3:07:53 ↗ average recession over the past four or

3:07:56 ↗ five different recessions if you throw

3:07:57 ↗ out Kobe that was a an anomaly it's

3:08:00 ↗ about an 18-month impact so 18 months of

3:08:03 ↗ negative GDP but of course it's going to

3:08:06 ↗ have multiple year effect on

3:08:08 ↗ the revenues and expenditures of the

3:08:10 ↗ city because you're growing on a slower

3:08:12 ↗ base you're losing some of your base

3:08:13 ↗ you'll recover

3:08:15 ↗ that you're not seeing the increases you

3:08:17 ↗ would year to year like we're seeing

3:08:18 ↗ about after three percent of the out

3:08:20 ↗ years year to year on the revenue and

3:08:22 ↗ expense side so what would that do an

3:08:24 ↗ impact of an 18-month recession if we

3:08:26 ↗ look at the southwest of 2029 it would

3:08:29 ↗ be almost the entire amount

3:08:31 ↗ of the unrestricted on that balance so

3:08:32 ↗ again if you look at the unrestricted

3:08:34 ↗ fund balance as a rainy day fund it

3:08:36 ↗ rains takes so this is just chemical

3:08:40 ↗ right now everything holds together all

3:08:43 ↗ of our Revenue expenditure assumptions

3:08:44 ↗ that we built into the biennial budget

3:08:46 ↗ hold together through 2029 so if

3:08:49 ↗ everything's constant at the city this

3:08:51 ↗ is the scenario looking at if you had an

3:08:53 ↗ 18-month recession

3:08:56 ↗ and if you didn't alter your spending in

3:08:58 ↗ any way in response

3:09:00 ↗ status quo with all the services that

3:09:03 ↗ were restored and enhanced

3:09:04 ↗ I'd like to just add one thing to to

3:09:07 ↗ your presentation Robert if Ben May

3:09:09 ↗ which is today we're really about

3:09:12 ↗ um this is our Retreats Our Moment to

3:09:14 ↗ take that step back the Stephanie

3:09:15 ↗ council president Hall said

3:09:17 ↗ um we're not intending to get in the

3:09:18 ↗ weeds with you

3:09:19 ↗ so you're not going to see big

3:09:21 ↗ complicated charts and Graphics about

3:09:23 ↗ our finances we have time to to discuss

3:09:27 ↗ those things but we want to talk about

3:09:28 ↗ is setting the pace for the rest of the

3:09:30 ↗ year and the focus for the rest of the

3:09:32 ↗ year so um Our intention is to not dive

3:09:35 ↗ into the Super details so I just wanted

3:09:37 ↗ you to know what to expect as we move

3:09:39 ↗ ahead in this conversation

3:09:42 ↗ so

3:09:43 ↗ um appreciate the general fund for

3:09:45 ↗ Revenue Outlook of these you know

3:09:47 ↗ possibility for a recession that could

3:09:49 ↗ do for general fund balance their first

3:09:52 ↗ bullet point there says concerns that

3:09:54 ↗ current revenues are not enough to cover

3:09:55 ↗ facilities Capital cost so then is that

3:10:01 ↗ seems to make an assumption that our

3:10:03 ↗ facilities Capital costs would have to

3:10:05 ↗ come from the general fund and that we

3:10:07 ↗ have some sense of what our facilities

3:10:09 ↗ Capital cost would be

3:10:15 ↗ then can I just cross out that first

3:10:20 ↗ concerns

3:10:22 ↗ without Revenue but

3:10:24 ↗ yeah that's why the first word is

3:10:26 ↗ concerned we do have concerns but we do

3:10:29 ↗ have concerns and you know yeah we our

3:10:32 ↗ intent we need to do a lot more to

3:10:34 ↗ develop what what our facility needs

3:10:36 ↗ what are those costs going to be we need

3:10:39 ↗ to have a lot of those conversations

3:10:40 ↗ with you and with members of the public

3:10:42 ↗ because there's some decisions

3:10:44 ↗ coincident that drive the costs right so

3:10:47 ↗ um unless are there questions on this

3:10:49 ↗ bike because then we can move on and

3:10:50 ↗ talk about that okay

3:10:52 ↗ just a couple quick questions Robert

3:10:54 ↗ thanks for the presentation and the

3:10:55 ↗ information

3:10:57 ↗ can you tell me whether or not an

3:10:58 ↗ 18-month recession would be linear in

3:11:00 ↗ terms of if it were only a year long it

3:11:03 ↗ would be about you know seven million

3:11:05 ↗ dollars or is there

3:11:07 ↗ front costs that we need to think about

3:11:09 ↗ yeah that's that's exactly right it just

3:11:12 ↗ depends on the impact of recession so

3:11:13 ↗ we're taking an average year okay an

3:11:15 ↗ average being about 18 months for

3:11:17 ↗ typical recession but of course that

3:11:19 ↗ impact is going to be multiple years so

3:11:21 ↗ yes that number would be reduced if the

3:11:24 ↗ length is reduced but again if the

3:11:25 ↗ length is large and larger than that

3:11:27 ↗ then it would go so yes one of the other

3:11:29 ↗ critical piece of this is the 18 months

3:11:33 ↗ that the economists say is the recession

3:11:35 ↗ is not our 18th right that we have an

3:11:39 ↗ echo sure so if things start getting bad

3:11:42 ↗ tomorrow there we won't see it in our

3:11:45 ↗ revenues for months okay and if things

3:11:47 ↗ get better we won't see it in our

3:11:49 ↗ revenue for months so there is every

3:11:51 ↗ recession that I have worked in in the

3:11:53 ↗ municipal government there's always an

3:11:55 ↗ echo it's usually three four months

3:11:58 ↗ before you start seeing the impacts from

3:11:59 ↗ the rest of the world's talking about it

3:12:01 ↗ there's usually three four months after

3:12:02 ↗ people are saying things are better

3:12:04 ↗ before you see it and then given fiscal

3:12:06 ↗ years this could be three fiscal years

3:12:09 ↗ uh depending on how the it's the

3:12:11 ↗ sequence before you get on okay that's

3:12:14 ↗ great and Robert you talked about the

3:12:16 ↗ recession

3:12:18 ↗ um uh you know impacting us

3:12:21 ↗ uh you also mentioned that you threw out

3:12:24 ↗ covid

3:12:25 ↗ um could you in the future just get us

3:12:28 ↗ the number that we think we lost in in

3:12:30 ↗ the Kobe year just just for our yes

3:12:33 ↗ absolutely information so we can just

3:12:35 ↗ have that and that said we're going to

3:12:37 ↗ have another code year but it's just to

3:12:38 ↗ know uh the magnitude of an impact you

3:12:41 ↗ mean at the bottom of public because

3:12:42 ↗ again it did rebound during the year of

3:12:44 ↗ 2015. well I think that

3:12:46 ↗ yeah if you maybe just a snapshot of

3:12:49 ↗ during those coming years this is what

3:12:51 ↗ we we lost just to inform us okay okay

3:12:53 ↗ thank you

3:12:54 ↗ something quick oh so doesn't this also

3:12:58 ↗ assume uh so when colon came along we do

3:13:00 ↗ pretty fast action to reduce uh staff

3:13:04 ↗ and expenditures and so forth so this

3:13:06 ↗ scenario

3:13:07 ↗ is also assuming that we don't take

3:13:10 ↗ those actions right this is status quo

3:13:15 ↗ right and just a side note to this

3:13:17 ↗ number again because this refresher that

3:13:19 ↗ sales taxes are number one Revenue

3:13:21 ↗ sources so like well it's a Wally's

3:13:22 ↗ Point there's always a lag between

3:13:24 ↗ consumer Behavior and the actual

3:13:26 ↗ downturn because it doesn't impact

3:13:28 ↗ anybody until six months after right

3:13:30 ↗ there's also Regional implications you

3:13:31 ↗ can have a regional recession you think

3:13:33 ↗ the Microsoft out there into Amazon

3:13:35 ↗ where if something happens and Puget

3:13:37 ↗ Sound that might not happen Nationwide

3:13:38 ↗ so we're just kind of factoring in what

3:13:40 ↗ it what an average of it could be

3:13:42 ↗ Regional could be National but that's

3:13:43 ↗ just yeah great

3:13:45 ↗ thank you

3:13:49 ↗ so

3:13:54 ↗ um we talked about concerns uh with

3:13:57 ↗ being able to fund our infrastructure

3:14:00 ↗ needs uh was something that we talked

3:14:02 ↗ about extensively with the task force

3:14:04 ↗ and coming through today is our

3:14:07 ↗ Administration proposal of how to handle

3:14:09 ↗ that

3:14:10 ↗ um so we would like to explore this year

3:14:13 ↗ a public safety ballot measure that

3:14:15 ↗ again focuses on Public Safety I

3:14:17 ↗ outlined it at the beginning or earlier

3:14:19 ↗ today

3:14:20 ↗ um when I talked about Municipal Court

3:14:23 ↗ um the fire station the new fire station

3:14:25 ↗ we need to build and also uh needs of

3:14:29 ↗ ipd it's called Police Department

3:14:32 ↗ um there may be other needs we need to

3:14:34 ↗ have time to explore that and that's

3:14:36 ↗ what we're really proposing to do is

3:14:37 ↗ explore that with you learn more about

3:14:39 ↗ it this year and uh and examine the

3:14:44 ↗ possibility

3:14:46 ↗ have concerns that we don't have the

3:14:48 ↗ revenues that are required to pay for

3:14:50 ↗ these type of infrastructure and we

3:14:52 ↗ think we will need to go out to the

3:14:53 ↗ voters to pay for it second and I will

3:14:57 ↗ get to you when I'm done with this live

3:14:58 ↗ thank you councilmember a second uh in

3:15:00 ↗ the future so we saw on the task force

3:15:02 ↗ they had medium term and long term in

3:15:04 ↗ their recommendations so we're talking

3:15:06 ↗ medium term in the future it's still

3:15:08 ↗ that Transportation uh addressing

3:15:11 ↗ transportation and uh whether that's a

3:15:13 ↗ TBD for the sales tax vehicle license

3:15:16 ↗ fees there's other mechanisms that we

3:15:18 ↗ can use we need to Define

3:15:20 ↗ um

3:15:21 ↗ I have a better definition of what our

3:15:23 ↗ transportation needs are uh and then

3:15:25 ↗ what types of

3:15:27 ↗ um

3:15:28 ↗ of revenues do we need in order to meet

3:15:31 ↗ those Transportation needs and then

3:15:33 ↗ finally again as the task force

3:15:35 ↗ recommended a parks and trails and still

3:15:38 ↗ proposing a Parks District to fund those

3:15:40 ↗ but what we're talking about today is

3:15:43 ↗ first looking at this public safety

3:15:47 ↗ um as it relates to especially the

3:15:50 ↗ facilities that we know we need to build

3:15:51 ↗ and that's what we're proposing for you

3:15:54 ↗ today and for our Focus to explore with

3:15:56 ↗ you more throughout the rest of the year

3:15:58 ↗ councilman marks so when you say 2023

3:16:00 ↗ the public safety valve measure do you

3:16:02 ↗ mean getting a ballot in front of the

3:16:05 ↗ voters in 2023 or do you mean spending

3:16:08 ↗ 2023 to figuring out a public safety

3:16:10 ↗ development I think we're working

3:16:12 ↗ towards that in November we may not need

3:16:14 ↗ that because there's a whole process we

3:16:15 ↗ need to follow you're very familiar with

3:16:18 ↗ this process and yeah which also

3:16:21 ↗ includes

3:16:23 ↗ include one equipment out because of

3:16:24 ↗ course the muni election uh is different

3:16:27 ↗ than uh Federal civilization yes yes so

3:16:30 ↗ there's a lot that we would need to do

3:16:32 ↗ to prepare for a November ballot I think

3:16:35 ↗ we're very aware of that but um that's

3:16:37 ↗ something that we are considering

3:16:39 ↗ there's a lot of conversations we need

3:16:41 ↗ to have before we get to that point but

3:16:43 ↗ we really we think this is very

3:16:45 ↗ important we think that we have some

3:16:46 ↗ urgent needs that we need to meet and

3:16:48 ↗ then the spirit of council trying to get

3:16:50 ↗ things done that's that's something that

3:16:52 ↗ we're trying to set ourselves up to do

3:16:54 ↗ infection

3:16:57 ↗ yes just uh asked that we examine our uh

3:17:03 ↗ other cities close to us Redmond they

3:17:06 ↗ had a public safety ballot out there and

3:17:08 ↗ it I don't think it went through and so

3:17:12 ↗ if we could just look to our neighbors

3:17:13 ↗ to find out what they might have done

3:17:15 ↗ wrong et cetera et cetera and how we can

3:17:17 ↗ improve upon that and also I've Heards

3:17:19 ↗ that we'd be very specific about the

3:17:21 ↗ projects with the the deliverables that

3:17:23 ↗ we're going to give our citizens if we

3:17:25 ↗ do put a ballot measure out there and we

3:17:27 ↗ can report that we got those things done

3:17:29 ↗ in your four your five or whatever it

3:17:31 ↗ might be out there yeah thank you

3:17:33 ↗ council member and and the next slide

3:17:35 ↗ talks about a little bit more about what

3:17:37 ↗ those Public Safety needs are though any

3:17:39 ↗ package we would need our work to Define

3:17:41 ↗ of course absolutely but I assume we

3:17:43 ↗ have a few more questions

3:17:45 ↗ oh

3:17:46 ↗ um in that same line I as I understand

3:17:48 ↗ it the counties could be running the um

3:17:51 ↗ crisis response centers of ballot in and

3:17:56 ↗ they're aiming for April

3:17:58 ↗ um so just you know I guess my big my

3:18:01 ↗ big question

3:18:02 ↗ setting aside specific other ballot

3:18:06 ↗ measures would be what is the context of

3:18:08 ↗ of

3:18:10 ↗ uh our taxing Authority in relation to

3:18:13 ↗ King County in relation to the school

3:18:14 ↗ district in relation to other Cactus

3:18:17 ↗ authorities you know where to be fit and

3:18:18 ↗ how does that how does that all work out

3:18:21 ↗ great and we should note that as a as a

3:18:23 ↗ question we need to answer for another

3:18:24 ↗ another meeting because that

3:18:26 ↗ there's some great graphics we have and

3:18:28 ↗ we can share that will make it all this

3:18:29 ↗ much clearer than if we tried to answer

3:18:31 ↗ that orally right now yeah can you make

3:18:34 ↗ clear for folks who don't understand the

3:18:35 ↗ context of that question what that means

3:18:37 ↗ that the Caps that are involved in the

3:18:39 ↗ fact that we're subordinate for a

3:18:40 ↗ potential subordinate funding to some of

3:18:42 ↗ those other I'm not sure all seven of us

3:18:44 ↗ understand the context but yes and it's

3:18:47 ↗ been a while since I did the uh task

3:18:49 ↗ force uh one on the soap Robert can you

3:18:51 ↗ come up and just help provide a quick

3:18:53 ↗ summary of our taxing Authority in

3:18:55 ↗ relation to others

3:18:57 ↗ yeah so we're just under you take

3:19:02 ↗ say you take one dollar of funding right

3:19:05 ↗ about nine cents of that one dollar

3:19:06 ↗ you're paying taxes just under that

3:19:08 ↗ right now so we do have plenty of

3:19:10 ↗ authority as far as what the voter we

3:19:12 ↗ have capacity to go to the voters yes

3:19:14 ↗ there is some of the the county

3:19:16 ↗ Authority but we still have enough

3:19:18 ↗ capacity regardless of what the county

3:19:20 ↗ does at this point okay okay I thought

3:19:22 ↗ there's a net total dollar value and

3:19:24 ↗ there were what was over two dollars

3:19:26 ↗ right now so we're all under that

3:19:27 ↗ foreign

3:19:33 ↗ and we can go into a lot more detail

3:19:35 ↗ about that it was time to make it

3:19:41 ↗ um so two things one I don't see

3:19:44 ↗ councilman

3:19:45 ↗ funds on here and I think that is a

3:19:50 ↗ super important funding opportunity that

3:19:53 ↗ we have not taken up that we should

3:19:55 ↗ absolutely be considering and I'd like

3:19:57 ↗ to know the scope of what's possible

3:20:00 ↗ there so that we can best utilize that I

3:20:04 ↗ don't want to leave something on the

3:20:05 ↗ table especially before going to voters

3:20:09 ↗ um I think there's a little difference

3:20:10 ↗ between going to voters with a public

3:20:13 ↗ safety ballot measure and one for a

3:20:15 ↗ sales tax

3:20:17 ↗ but I think before we look at going to

3:20:20 ↗ voters for sales tax we really need to

3:20:22 ↗ evaluate our Council management and then

3:20:25 ↗ um the other piece in there I know a lot

3:20:27 ↗ of our capital

3:20:29 ↗ budgeting comes from Reit and so I'd

3:20:33 ↗ like to get a better understanding of

3:20:35 ↗ what our Reit forecasts are considering

3:20:39 ↗ what the

3:20:41 ↗ interest rates are right now and what we

3:20:45 ↗ see for that going forward

3:20:48 ↗ um if we think there are any big

3:20:49 ↗ projects that might not happen as a

3:20:52 ↗ result of that

3:20:53 ↗ that would be useful for me thanks thank

3:20:56 ↗ you you can answer that really fast

3:20:57 ↗ we're monitoring degrees is

3:21:01 ↗ what we're seeing though is that we did

3:21:04 ↗ hit our forecast we're seeing fewer

3:21:07 ↗ transactions than we did this time a

3:21:08 ↗ year ago that have a higher sales

3:21:11 ↗ so then the question is what is this

3:21:13 ↗ you're going to look like

3:21:16 ↗ I'd also like to know just you know

3:21:19 ↗ related to some of our stuff comes in on

3:21:21 ↗ the big purchases others regular so

3:21:23 ↗ getting a sense of what the trends are

3:21:25 ↗ there yeah

3:21:27 ↗ and Andrea how many slides there are a

3:21:30 ↗ lot of questions

3:21:38 ↗ um I think it's really quick but I know

3:21:40 ↗ we talked about councilman and tons of

3:21:42 ↗ bonding Authority but the question we

3:21:45 ↗ haven't answered is the more difficult

3:21:47 ↗ one is what is our capacity for Debt

3:21:49 ↗ Service yes and so that those kind of go

3:21:51 ↗ like Channel together yeah when is what

3:21:55 ↗ can you afford to do the councilman

3:21:57 ↗ Authority what is what would you do with

3:21:58 ↗ new Revenue

3:21:59 ↗ exactly yeah how would we pay for those

3:22:03 ↗ problems right yep yep great yep all of

3:22:07 ↗ those you know I know people are taking

3:22:08 ↗ lots of notes things that we need to

3:22:10 ↗ address as we continue to explore this

3:22:12 ↗ topic okay

3:22:14 ↗ um then next slide let's talk about some

3:22:18 ↗ of the public safety needs that we've

3:22:19 ↗ identified so far and so

3:22:22 ↗ um we've talked about a new fire station

3:22:24 ↗ in North Issaquah before that Council

3:22:27 ↗ there's been presentations it has been a

3:22:29 ↗ while but it is something that we have

3:22:31 ↗ identified a need for a station

3:22:34 ↗ um I say North Issaquah north of 90

3:22:36 ↗ looking we've been looking along the

3:22:37 ↗ East Lake exam Corridor

3:22:40 ↗ we have not talked a lot recently about

3:22:44 ↗ the needs in municipal court and that's

3:22:46 ↗ something that I would love to talk more

3:22:48 ↗ about our courts as you know was never

3:22:51 ↗ designed to be a court building it was

3:22:53 ↗ an old fire station and

3:22:56 ↗ um we are getting many more cases

3:22:59 ↗ because we cover not just Issaquah but

3:23:01 ↗ North Bend Snoqualmie Etc that's been a

3:23:03 ↗ great partnership for us we're getting a

3:23:05 ↗ lot more cases the security in that

3:23:08 ↗ building isn't great the conditions for

3:23:10 ↗ uh defendants the conditions for the

3:23:13 ↗ prosecutor and the judge are all we have

3:23:15 ↗ safety concerns with that um and her

3:23:18 ↗ vision of Justice concerns and making

3:23:20 ↗ sure that we're we're doing our role

3:23:21 ↗ there so we can talk more in detail

3:23:23 ↗ about that but municipal court has some

3:23:25 ↗ significant needs

3:23:27 ↗ um and I I look forward the opportunity

3:23:28 ↗ uh to discuss this more uh and police so

3:23:32 ↗ we

3:23:34 ↗ um originally as many of you know had

3:23:36 ↗ City Hall build knowing that it's

3:23:38 ↗ someday it would be a police station and

3:23:40 ↗ so the police have also been extremely

3:23:44 ↗ creative in how they use their space and

3:23:46 ↗ they have really maximized their space

3:23:48 ↗ we've even had on some of them move

3:23:50 ↗ upstairs recently onto the second floor

3:23:52 ↗ where the rest of the city hall offices

3:23:53 ↗ are

3:23:54 ↗ um so

3:23:56 ↗ um so we're being extremely creative but

3:23:58 ↗ at some point uh we do need to expand

3:24:00 ↗ and I think we'll probably pass that

3:24:02 ↗ point and so again we need to have more

3:24:04 ↗ of these conversations with you and

3:24:06 ↗ provide more information and data but it

3:24:08 ↗ is a need that we've identified that we

3:24:10 ↗ look forward to talking to you

3:24:12 ↗ um more about as in the next couple of

3:24:14 ↗ months

3:24:16 ↗ Council Lady Michelle so just really

3:24:18 ↗ quickly so it's a properties that

3:24:19 ↗ includes the point that we've been

3:24:21 ↗ complete uh fleet Fleet space yes but

3:24:25 ↗ even just facing offices yeah yeah and

3:24:28 ↗ and you know we have I mentioned earlier

3:24:31 ↗ we have our Human Services team that

3:24:32 ↗ works really hand in hand with the

3:24:34 ↗ police they're not able to be co-located

3:24:36 ↗ during another building so there's

3:24:38 ↗ there's things that

3:24:40 ↗ um were we will discuss more in terms of

3:24:42 ↗ what the needs are for police but I'm

3:24:44 ↗ proving to you these are some of the

3:24:45 ↗ things we've identified initially as

3:24:47 ↗ some significant energy facility

3:24:57 ↗ but uh

3:25:00 ↗ so would

3:25:01 ↗ enhancing the police capacity being that

3:25:06 ↗ we would also need to find an

3:25:07 ↗ administrative

3:25:08 ↗ facility

3:25:10 ↗ yes

3:25:13 ↗ it's a great question so what we've

3:25:16 ↗ really I really miss having my own

3:25:17 ↗ bathrooms

3:25:22 ↗ wasn't real so for those who are unaware

3:25:26 ↗ our city hall building in Downtown

3:25:28 ↗ Issaquah has on the bottom floors the

3:25:32 ↗ police operations jail Etc then we have

3:25:35 ↗ our permit Center which is occupying an

3:25:37 ↗ old training room of the police

3:25:38 ↗ department so we've kicks them out of

3:25:40 ↗ that space and then um upstairs we have

3:25:43 ↗ some offices for our police detectives

3:25:46 ↗ and some police staff but also Finance

3:25:49 ↗ Community Planning and Development

3:25:51 ↗ um

3:25:53 ↗ most of the rest of the city hall that

3:25:55 ↗ isn't parks for public works yeah and so

3:25:57 ↗ we're telling that is actually people

3:25:59 ↗ who used to work at Northwest yes

3:26:01 ↗ they're being very creative with our

3:26:02 ↗ space and working from home and all of

3:26:04 ↗ that which has been a good experience

3:26:05 ↗ for us to take those Lessons Learned in

3:26:07 ↗ terms of what we need in the future but

3:26:09 ↗ really what's driving these facility

3:26:11 ↗ needs are Public Safety needs and state

3:26:13 ↗ public safety facility needs

3:26:16 ↗ um because the second floor of City Hall

3:26:18 ↗ these other operations Finance you know

3:26:20 ↗ mayor's office Community Planning and

3:26:22 ↗ Development clerks Etc

3:26:24 ↗ um we could probably uh live within that

3:26:27 ↗ space for a while moving forward but the

3:26:30 ↗ police have significant needs municipal

3:26:32 ↗ court has significant they're the ones

3:26:34 ↗ who can't wait and so we need to we need

3:26:36 ↗ to plan for them and provide for them

3:26:38 ↗ and that may meet they mean that the

3:26:42 ↗ rest of us need to move out of that

3:26:43 ↗ space so that police can get the space

3:26:45 ↗ they need and the others can get the

3:26:46 ↗ space they need and so that's that's a

3:26:48 ↗ conversation that we will absolutely

3:26:50 ↗ have in the next couple of months study

3:26:52 ↗ that's underway right now is to really

3:26:53 ↗ understand given our work from home

3:26:55 ↗ environment given the new application of

3:26:57 ↗ of technology and our practices that

3:27:00 ↗ we've been doing to really maximize

3:27:01 ↗ space and use it efficiently still what

3:27:04 ↗ I just need to learn our options

3:27:08 ↗ um uh we also know so we talked about

3:27:10 ↗ facilities quite a bit but we also know

3:27:12 ↗ that there's some operational needs in

3:27:14 ↗ public safety right so we know for

3:27:16 ↗ example this is just for example the

3:27:18 ↗ East Side Fire and Rescue we contribute

3:27:20 ↗ 8.5 million annually that's likely going

3:27:23 ↗ to increase over time and so that's

3:27:25 ↗ something also that that's a significant

3:27:27 ↗ portion of our general fund budget that

3:27:28 ↗ we're keeping an eye on and know that

3:27:30 ↗ there's some operational needs and I

3:27:32 ↗ mentioned imagine you said fire a rescue

3:27:34 ↗ as just an example of one of those

3:27:36 ↗ things because obviously that's a big

3:27:37 ↗ ticket item and you I think we have to

3:27:40 ↗ talk about police briefly right and that

3:27:42 ↗ is that we recognize there are

3:27:44 ↗ additional police operational needs and

3:27:46 ↗ the department was decimated we are

3:27:49 ↗ nearly fully staffed once again

3:27:51 ↗ um we we I think looked at the

3:27:54 ↗ Behavioral Health Specialists and the

3:27:56 ↗ work that they're doing I think we are

3:27:58 ↗ we do feel at this point we need to put

3:28:01 ↗ additional resources there we probably

3:28:03 ↗ need to look at other policing issues uh

3:28:06 ↗ traffic

3:28:08 ↗ um Community Service Officer all those

3:28:10 ↗ specialty things that we have largely

3:28:12 ↗ not had the last few years uh need to

3:28:14 ↗ come back in some way shape or form

3:28:16 ↗ police vehicle costs

3:28:18 ↗ um so there's more there's more here if

3:28:21 ↗ we were to move down the road of a levy

3:28:23 ↗ lift for Public Safety we have the

3:28:25 ↗ ability to fund operations as well as

3:28:27 ↗ capital and so as we talk about this

3:28:30 ↗ further with the city council and we

3:28:32 ↗ will look at both the operation side and

3:28:34 ↗ the capital but capital is really

3:28:36 ↗ driving this I mean doing it sooner than

3:28:39 ↗ later is a capital driven issue versus

3:28:42 ↗ really an operational technician that

3:28:44 ↗ doesn't mean operations are important so

3:28:46 ↗ that's where we're at

3:28:50 ↗ 30 minutes okay

3:28:53 ↗ next slide please

3:28:56 ↗ so uh so we talked a little bit about

3:28:59 ↗ our space planning project we're

3:29:01 ↗ underway

3:29:02 ↗ um with that right now that's something

3:29:03 ↗ that administrative Services director

3:29:05 ↗ Automotive is leading for us we're doing

3:29:07 ↗ this needs assessment in terms of what

3:29:10 ↗ do we need now what do we need in the

3:29:11 ↗ future as I said before the the good

3:29:13 ↗ thing here is that physical has been

3:29:15 ↗ exceptionally Innovative when it comes

3:29:17 ↗ to how we use these so we have shared

3:29:19 ↗ desks shared workspaces we've been very

3:29:22 ↗ efficient about this since the last time

3:29:24 ↗ we explored this topic um which was

3:29:25 ↗ right before the pandemic we had a

3:29:27 ↗ conversation with Council about space

3:29:28 ↗ needs so we're updating that we're

3:29:30 ↗ looking at what what do we need that's

3:29:32 ↗ something that's coming before you at

3:29:33 ↗ the committee of the whole in March to

3:29:35 ↗ discuss further what have we found so

3:29:37 ↗ far there's in fact a community survey

3:29:39 ↗ that went out I think last night this

3:29:42 ↗ morning

3:29:43 ↗ um so plug that please respond to the

3:29:45 ↗ community survey in terms of what you're

3:29:46 ↗ looking for in future city hall or other

3:29:49 ↗ facilities and then

3:29:52 ↗ um so we're going to be looking at that

3:29:54 ↗ March Committee of the whole meeting

3:29:57 ↗ um what are our options moving forward

3:29:59 ↗ for our facilities and really examining

3:30:01 ↗ that so looking at the data what are our

3:30:03 ↗ options and then how how do we how do we

3:30:06 ↗ solve this problem

3:30:08 ↗ um so we have a couple of Committee of

3:30:10 ↗ the halls and other Council meetings

3:30:11 ↗ lined up to do that

3:30:12 ↗ next slide please

3:30:15 ↗ great so one of the things that I wanted

3:30:17 ↗ to address is that uh the Community

3:30:21 ↗ Capital Finance task force said that

3:30:24 ↗ transportation is the number one

3:30:25 ↗ priority and we should be doing

3:30:26 ↗ translation first before anything and I

3:30:29 ↗ want to make sure to state that we are

3:30:31 ↗ doing things on transportation we are

3:30:32 ↗ doing things on Mobility that near-term

3:30:35 ↗ suggestion from uh the task force that

3:30:38 ↗ we look at are the funds that we look at

3:30:39 ↗ ending fund balance to fund additional

3:30:41 ↗ Transportation infrastructure we're

3:30:43 ↗ doing it um and

3:30:45 ↗ um we are likely going to come back and

3:30:47 ↗ have more conversations with you about

3:30:49 ↗ what the Public Works team needs to be

3:30:52 ↗ able to

3:30:53 ↗ um to move forward on some of those

3:30:55 ↗ Transportation priorities that we have

3:30:58 ↗ and that's a conversation coming up

3:30:59 ↗ because I think we're still running into

3:31:00 ↗ issues over staff capacity about how

3:31:03 ↗ much we can really do and deliver

3:31:05 ↗ um projects for for the community so

3:31:07 ↗ that's a conversation that's coming up

3:31:09 ↗ um

3:31:10 ↗ and the task force recommended that a

3:31:13 ↗ transportation ballot measure for

3:31:15 ↗ additional revenues would have to be

3:31:18 ↗ bold and Visionary and and really

3:31:20 ↗ impactful in the community and our

3:31:23 ↗ concern as we look at the projects that

3:31:25 ↗ we have right now that are ready

3:31:27 ↗ um they're not they don't meet that

3:31:29 ↗ criteria they're not really bold and

3:31:31 ↗ Visionary and we know that sound trans

3:31:33 ↗ is coming Light Rail station is coming

3:31:35 ↗ we're doing that I-90 Crossing study

3:31:38 ↗ with the Light Rail station planning

3:31:42 ↗ study that's being done this year with

3:31:43 ↗ ARCA funds and so we know that we're

3:31:46 ↗ probably going to have some Financial

3:31:47 ↗ Obligations when it comes to supporting

3:31:49 ↗ the Light Rail station and the I 90

3:31:52 ↗ Crossing and we think that's gold and

3:31:55 ↗ Visionary and we're just not ready to go

3:31:57 ↗ to the voters for and so

3:32:00 ↗ um we're not talking about doing a

3:32:01 ↗ transportation ballot measure this year

3:32:03 ↗ probably not next year because we're

3:32:06 ↗ concerned that we don't quite have the

3:32:07 ↗ projects yet but the timing isn't

3:32:10 ↗ exactly right to go to the voters for

3:32:12 ↗ this but we're still working on

3:32:13 ↗ Transportation we're still doing new

3:32:16 ↗ projects more projects that we've done

3:32:17 ↗ before on Transportation but not yet

3:32:20 ↗ going to the voters for something big

3:32:21 ↗ old Visionary because frankly we don't

3:32:24 ↗ think the timing's right we're not ready

3:32:27 ↗ um I think who was the governor's okay

3:32:29 ↗ so the risk of stating the obvious we

3:32:31 ↗ can't wait 20 years right

3:32:35 ↗ um had that new overcross

3:32:37 ↗ do it not wait 20 years figure out how

3:32:40 ↗ we can do it such that we uh make it

3:32:43 ↗ compatible future and Report compatible

3:32:45 ↗ with a light rail something right you

3:32:48 ↗ got to figure out something it can't

3:32:49 ↗ just be we don't have anything so we're

3:32:51 ↗ not going to do anything

3:32:55 ↗ so I appreciate the idea of planning to

3:32:57 ↗ do a transportation Levy and you know

3:33:01 ↗ Bond measure or whatever until we have

3:33:04 ↗ appropriate projects the only thing that

3:33:07 ↗ I would ask is that we look at our

3:33:09 ↗ neighboring communities that have done

3:33:12 ↗ this for example Bellevue did a

3:33:15 ↗ neighborhood safety connectivity and

3:33:17 ↗ congestion Levy

3:33:19 ↗ um and so I wonder if there is a way to

3:33:22 ↗ create a set of projects around that

3:33:26 ↗ that gives us an opportunity to move our

3:33:30 ↗ neighborhoods forward and have the focus

3:33:33 ↗ be in that area so I just ask that we

3:33:36 ↗ consider that not necessarily ahead of a

3:33:40 ↗ public safety but just as a way to frame

3:33:43 ↗ that and kind of choose projects in a

3:33:46 ↗ way that we've seen are successful with

3:33:49 ↗ other cities

3:33:51 ↗ I mean the reality is is that you're

3:33:53 ↗ marketing today on a capital planning

3:33:55 ↗ process but at the end of which you will

3:33:57 ↗ have a whole bunch of projects and many

3:33:59 ↗ of them will not be able to be funded I

3:34:01 ↗ think the administration's view is let's

3:34:03 ↗ get to that point and then we can look

3:34:05 ↗ at packaging

3:34:06 ↗ um so this is not a 20-year thing this

3:34:08 ↗ is the 12 month thing get through the

3:34:10 ↗ process so when we come together next

3:34:12 ↗ year at this meeting I think we'll be in

3:34:14 ↗ much better shape does that mean we'll

3:34:17 ↗ do it in 24 or 25 I don't know but it's

3:34:21 ↗ not 10 years it's you know two years

3:34:24 ↗ three years but it's it's having that

3:34:26 ↗ collection of projects so if we wanted

3:34:29 ↗ to have a neighborhood you know whatever

3:34:31 ↗ the Bell do you want

3:34:32 ↗ you know Christmas tree where you've got

3:34:34 ↗ something for every one of our 15

3:34:37 ↗ neighborhoods that's something that's a

3:34:39 ↗ pretty standard approach for cities to

3:34:41 ↗ do that there's also the street Levy

3:34:43 ↗ preservation

3:34:45 ↗ in Kirkland so several of them have done

3:34:48 ↗ something and hundreds of communities

3:34:50 ↗ around America I mean it's it's a it's

3:34:52 ↗ an easy page out of a Playbook

3:34:55 ↗ um to do I mean unless you have you're

3:34:57 ↗ going to build a new community center

3:34:58 ↗ you're going to build a new pool you're

3:35:00 ↗ going to build a regional park I mean

3:35:01 ↗ that's how you do it you have to package

3:35:03 ↗ it up

3:35:04 ↗ um the administration's saying today

3:35:06 ↗ everything we've talked about up until

3:35:08 ↗ now is leading to that but we first need

3:35:11 ↗ to have projects that we understand that

3:35:13 ↗ we have better we've worked with the

3:35:15 ↗ community on and them and that's the

3:35:17 ↗ beauty of working with Community is that

3:35:19 ↗ by going every boarding commission we're

3:35:21 ↗ going to be gaining additional community

3:35:22 ↗ support for these projects so when we

3:35:25 ↗ get to the end of the process

3:35:27 ↗ people will be really excited say okay

3:35:29 ↗ now how do we make this happen well

3:35:30 ↗ let's talk about

3:35:33 ↗ yes but what you've got to get

3:35:35 ↗ I mean what we described today six

3:35:36 ↗ months we've got to at least get through

3:35:38 ↗ the six months right before we do that

3:35:40 ↗ we're the public safety stuff we believe

3:35:42 ↗ can travel somewhat on a separate path

3:35:44 ↗ if that makes sense

3:35:47 ↗ I hear you I'm excited to hear that

3:35:49 ↗ conversation I'm just worried because in

3:35:52 ↗ you know the five or eight years that

3:35:55 ↗ we've been talking about doing something

3:35:56 ↗ to really move the needle on

3:35:58 ↗ Transportation I feel like the only big

3:36:00 ↗ ticket thing we've talked about is the

3:36:01 ↗ 10th Avenue

3:36:02 ↗ right so if there's other there's other

3:36:04 ↗ game changers out there I'm excited to

3:36:06 ↗ hear what those might be turn around

3:36:10 ↗ look at that group that's your game

3:36:12 ↗ changer

3:36:14 ↗ the five six people we see it it's

3:36:16 ↗ actually Game Changer the game changer

3:36:18 ↗ is a public works director who lives and

3:36:20 ↗ breeds with Dana who's looking at other

3:36:23 ↗ communities looking at the workload of

3:36:24 ↗ our engineers and not simply saying gee

3:36:27 ↗ Wally be great basketball Engineers

3:36:28 ↗ she's saying here's the workload of

3:36:30 ↗ every engineer for every other community

3:36:32 ↗ surrounding us and here's a workload of

3:36:34 ↗ our engineers

3:36:35 ↗ that my understanding hasn't happened

3:36:37 ↗ before Jeff Watling saying we need a

3:36:40 ↗ park planning team have you did the guy

3:36:42 ↗ accept the job yet uh he's gonna come

3:36:45 ↗ and have a candidate visit okay so if we

3:36:47 ↗ have done a national recruitment for our

3:36:49 ↗ planners and we have on the hook a a

3:36:52 ↗ gentleman from another Community outside

3:36:53 ↗ the state of Washington from a much

3:36:55 ↗ larger city than Issaquah who's excited

3:36:58 ↗ to come here to make all these things

3:37:00 ↗ happen so the difference is what you see

3:37:03 ↗ behind me yeah that's what's different

3:37:05 ↗ from perhaps sometimes

3:37:11 ↗ so I was just gonna answer the Christmas

3:37:13 ↗ tree I was going to also say that we

3:37:16 ↗ have to have a Christmas tree approach

3:37:17 ↗ everybody gets a present

3:37:19 ↗ um it doesn't all have to be vegan bold

3:37:21 ↗ the school district it's like Sod at

3:37:24 ↗ Apollo Elementary playing field you know

3:37:26 ↗ I mean just so people say

3:37:29 ↗ I'm going to vote for this and I get

3:37:31 ↗ this you know and then the big and bold

3:37:34 ↗ is great but it's I think it's more

3:37:37 ↗ important that everybody is invested and

3:37:39 ↗ can see that they're going to get a

3:37:41 ↗ value out of it and the other concept we

3:37:43 ↗ might want to think about is how does

3:37:46 ↗ the especially in transportation how

3:37:48 ↗ does this all Network together so that I

3:37:52 ↗ did this in my neighborhood but I'm also

3:37:54 ↗ going to be able to get here uh using

3:37:57 ↗ this you know this spot will give me oh

3:38:00 ↗ something from my neighborhood and a

3:38:03 ↗ better Mobility to get to somewhere else

3:38:05 ↗ that I want to go so maybe those are the

3:38:08 ↗ things we want to think about as we're

3:38:09 ↗ putting that package together

3:38:12 ↗ thank you we've got about 20 minutes

3:38:16 ↗ we're good so

3:38:19 ↗ um

3:38:20 ↗ so thank you for that uh feedback and

3:38:22 ↗ then really this is foreign

3:38:28 ↗ so I just want to talk about next steps

3:38:30 ↗ so I really only have

3:38:36 ↗ how we leave all these conversations

3:38:37 ↗ together the criteria the CIP updates

3:38:41 ↗ like Public Safety discussions right so

3:38:45 ↗ um we're looking at February doing a

3:38:47 ↗ board Summit of those scoreboards that I

3:38:49 ↗ mentioned to talk about the CIP update

3:38:52 ↗ process and begin talking about those

3:38:54 ↗ criteria and that's a joint meeting so

3:38:57 ↗ we're gonna put all these folks in

3:38:59 ↗ likely a virtual room

3:39:01 ↗ [Music]

3:39:12 ↗ we haven't given up but

3:39:15 ↗ but so we'll have everyone together uh

3:39:18 ↗ they just want to make that point that

3:39:20 ↗ this is a larger event not going to each

3:39:23 ↗ individual

3:39:24 ↗ that will kick off the process February

3:39:27 ↗ 16th is the date the date we're looking

3:39:29 ↗ at

3:39:34 ↗ so then we have uh also in February

3:39:38 ↗ Committee of the whole to finalize that

3:39:40 ↗ goals and outcomes that kicked off this

3:39:41 ↗ morning and then uh March that's when we

3:39:46 ↗ asked for those staff proposals for what

3:39:47 ↗ are these projects

3:39:49 ↗ um there's also going to be some touch

3:39:51 ↗ points of some things about some of

3:39:53 ↗ these infrastructure plans that I

3:39:54 ↗ mentioned before that are still in

3:39:55 ↗ development but in terms of CIP and the

3:39:58 ↗ CIP process step proposals will be

3:40:01 ↗ submitted in March we'll use uh and then

3:40:04 ↗ the boards will finalize those criteria

3:40:05 ↗ so we'll use those criteria to evaluate

3:40:07 ↗ the staff proposals and then

3:40:11 ↗ um in April we have a committee of the

3:40:15 ↗ whole scheduled to talk about public

3:40:17 ↗ safety and Public Safety facility needs

3:40:19 ↗ and go over that information in more

3:40:21 ↗ detail

3:40:22 ↗ um and then also in April the draft CIP

3:40:26 ↗ starts going to the individual boards

3:40:28 ↗ for a discussion in terms of how do we

3:40:31 ↗ apply those criteria

3:40:33 ↗ um did we meet those meet the board's

3:40:35 ↗ expectations or not so that's just the

3:40:37 ↗ first three months I have the next three

3:40:39 ↗ months to talk about but questions on

3:40:41 ↗ the first three months I think

3:40:42 ↗ councilman's had it first Human Services

3:40:45 ↗ Commission

3:40:46 ↗ Human Services Commission is uh not

3:40:50 ↗ um part of what we're suggesting did we

3:40:52 ↗ have we have many boards and commissions

3:40:55 ↗ in the City of Issaquah Human Services

3:40:57 ↗ generally focuses on

3:41:00 ↗ um grants and those resources uh these

3:41:03 ↗ four boards were the ones that we

3:41:04 ↗ thought had the most touches on Capital

3:41:07 ↗ Improvements versus programmatic

3:41:09 ↗ improvements

3:41:10 ↗ okay thank you

3:41:13 ↗ um I'd like to get a sense of what the

3:41:18 ↗ calendar is that you think we can get a

3:41:21 ↗ public safety facility

3:41:24 ↗ um thing on

3:41:25 ↗ a ballot and I wonder whether waiting

3:41:29 ↗ until April to have the committee of the

3:41:31 ↗ whole is to like I just don't know what

3:41:34 ↗ how many touch points and when the

3:41:36 ↗ deadlines are so I'd like to get that

3:41:38 ↗ from you guys sure any any ballot

3:41:41 ↗ language would need to be adopted I

3:41:43 ↗ think by the first meeting in August the

3:41:46 ↗ first council meeting in August the

3:41:47 ↗ deadline to get something on November

3:41:49 ↗ ballot is usually mid or end of August

3:41:51 ↗ and so

3:41:53 ↗ um so we would need to have

3:41:55 ↗ a package and a lot of Outreach in the

3:41:59 ↗ community done before August

3:42:03 ↗ and we think that this is still a pretty

3:42:06 ↗ aggressive uh schedule given where we

3:42:09 ↗ are at this point in time and the

3:42:11 ↗ studies and Analysis that we're

3:42:13 ↗ conducting so I don't know that we could

3:42:15 ↗ move it up a lot farther if we tried

3:42:17 ↗ um because yeah it was more just if that

3:42:21 ↗ point is April then we can't

3:42:23 ↗ can we move at a pace fast enough to hit

3:42:26 ↗ whatever deadlines are for November or

3:42:28 ↗ do we need to adjust our

3:42:31 ↗ you know targeted goal at this point

3:42:35 ↗ yeah I think it's a good question and

3:42:37 ↗ one that we're frankly discussing

3:42:38 ↗ internally as well in terms of what can

3:42:41 ↗ we realistically do and a lot of that's

3:42:43 ↗ going to be shaped by the next two

3:42:44 ↗ months and the conversations we have

3:42:46 ↗ within the next couple of months and

3:42:48 ↗ call it a proposal at this point in time

3:42:50 ↗ so we know we're not going to do this

3:42:52 ↗ and not do it well but let's talk about

3:42:54 ↗ potentially doing it in November and

3:42:56 ↗ we're going to pick an opportunity where

3:42:59 ↗ we know we can get this for free online

3:43:02 ↗ is it possible that the February 6 to

3:43:05 ↗ just kind of have a timeline of what

3:43:07 ↗ those touch points mean there's a lot of

3:43:10 ↗ internal work going on and so I think

3:43:12 ↗ what Andrea has given you is the best we

3:43:13 ↗ know at this point in time I'm not sure

3:43:15 ↗ if we could commit to saving through

3:43:17 ↗ stuff we went earlier without going back

3:43:19 ↗ and having

3:43:20 ↗ yeah I'm just talking about the

3:43:21 ↗ deadlines not necessarily what content

3:43:24 ↗ that's the city there's a decision back

3:43:26 ↗ there yeah

3:43:28 ↗ I mean I think it you're right it's

3:43:30 ↗ approximately obvious it is yeah it's

3:43:32 ↗ yeah it would be the first meeting in

3:43:34 ↗ August by by that time so at that first

3:43:37 ↗ meeting or beforehand Council would need

3:43:39 ↗ to adopt a ballot language that would

3:43:41 ↗ then go to

3:43:42 ↗ the elections office

3:43:44 ↗ um for something on November but you

3:43:47 ↗ know I think there's a lot of work that

3:43:48 ↗ we need to do before we get to that

3:43:50 ↗ point but it but it is a date that we

3:43:51 ↗ have in mind that I'm trying to figure

3:43:53 ↗ out how could we how could we meet that

3:43:55 ↗ date and we think there's a significant

3:43:58 ↗ urgency to it yeah I mean that's the

3:44:00 ↗ thing is that is this going to be

3:44:02 ↗ perfect I mean Adam would have had us

3:44:05 ↗ working on this three years ago if she

3:44:07 ↗ had her druthers um and she's absolutely

3:44:09 ↗ right yeah but I think we're again we've

3:44:12 ↗ talked about balance all day today

3:44:13 ↗ there's going to be a balance of okay

3:44:15 ↗ does this make sense here's how much

3:44:17 ↗ time we have left and here are the

3:44:19 ↗ consequences if we don't do it

3:44:21 ↗ and I think that's going to be the

3:44:22 ↗ issues that the council is going to have

3:44:24 ↗ to talk about over the next several

3:44:25 ↗ months is those varies

3:44:28 ↗ we know it's not we know what perfect is

3:44:30 ↗ and this isn't perfect

3:44:32 ↗ okay

3:44:33 ↗ next slide please thank you

3:44:36 ↗ uh yeah great so then we have um that

3:44:40 ↗ was taking us through April so we have

3:44:41 ↗ may through uh July and August here uh

3:44:46 ↗ so in May boards would finish uh the

3:44:48 ↗ discussion on the CIP provide their

3:44:51 ↗ feedback and then

3:44:53 ↗ um the CIP would then start at the end

3:44:55 ↗ of May going to the council committees

3:44:57 ↗ the various Council committees

3:44:59 ↗ um to look at their sections their

3:45:01 ↗ assigned sections of the CIP then in

3:45:04 ↗ June the Committees finished discussing

3:45:07 ↗ uh their CIP recommendations and they

3:45:09 ↗ come together uh in that Committee of

3:45:12 ↗ the whole to look at the whole documents

3:45:14 ↗ and refer back to the goals and outcomes

3:45:16 ↗ take that step back how are we doing

3:45:19 ↗ um and then we hope to be in a position

3:45:22 ↗ to adopt the cap by the end of June the

3:45:25 ↗ reason why we have the end of June is

3:45:27 ↗ because you may recall that the state

3:45:29 ↗ requires our tip and transportation

3:45:31 ↗ Improvement plans be adopted by July 1st

3:45:33 ↗ and so um if we can't hit that Target

3:45:37 ↗ there's other ways to get around it we

3:45:38 ↗ can talk about that when we get there

3:45:40 ↗ but in terms of milestones and what

3:45:41 ↗ we're trying to to work for

3:45:43 ↗ um we we're hoping to have this whole

3:45:45 ↗ cfp adopted by July 1st and

3:45:48 ↗ um

3:45:49 ↗ and uh then uh we would be in a position

3:45:53 ↗ to continue working towards a potential

3:45:55 ↗ ballot measure in July

3:45:58 ↗ um and August

3:46:00 ↗ so that's really the the first six

3:46:03 ↗ months of the year and we wanted to

3:46:04 ↗ outline what our focus is going to be on

3:46:06 ↗ is the administration

3:46:09 ↗ um and that is all that I have for you

3:46:10 ↗ so are there any questions

3:46:13 ↗ do portable toilets qualify as a capital

3:46:17 ↗ expenditure in a bond measure well you

3:46:21 ↗ know I think it probably depends on the

3:46:23 ↗ type of of uh toilets that we're talking

3:46:26 ↗ about and how much it costs right

3:46:28 ↗ usually there's a threshold in terms of

3:46:30 ↗ dollar amount of how much it costs so I

3:46:32 ↗ think we're going to have to we're gonna

3:46:34 ↗ have to talk about that more of the

3:46:35 ↗ process okay all right I'm just putting

3:46:37 ↗ it out there you just understood you are

3:46:39 ↗ going to be interested

3:46:42 ↗ so from this are you looking I would

3:46:46 ↗ guess for buy-in on this process this

3:46:50 ↗ calendar and the administration not only

3:46:53 ↗ going through the the CIP rethink with

3:46:57 ↗ the boards of commissions and committees

3:46:59 ↗ and Council the whole but also

3:47:02 ↗ pseudos sign off on the idea of pursuing

3:47:05 ↗ a public safety yes I think we're

3:47:09 ↗ looking for if there are wild objections

3:47:11 ↗ by by Council to a focus on Public

3:47:15 ↗ Safety Public Safety facility has been

3:47:17 ↗ we would like to hear them now if you

3:47:19 ↗ tell us you know uh that you have

3:47:22 ↗ significant concerns involved objections

3:47:25 ↗ and you'd rather enough I think we want

3:47:27 ↗ to hear that from you now

3:47:32 ↗ I don't have an objection I think Public

3:47:35 ↗ Safety is a number one on public on the

3:47:39 ↗ Public's mind right now so I keep just

3:47:42 ↗ focusing on that are actually a very

3:47:44 ↗ that's dude

3:47:50 ↗ um I think in the

3:47:52 ↗ kind of information about what's in

3:47:54 ↗ there because we're early in the process

3:47:56 ↗ but I do think focusing also or

3:47:58 ↗ including in the conversations of

3:48:00 ↗ Behavioral Health and public welfare all

3:48:04 ↗ the good work that the new human

3:48:05 ↗ services and people are doing

3:48:08 ↗ co-response I think taking into account

3:48:10 ↗ those pieces is super important for

3:48:15 ↗ moving forward so I think that should be

3:48:18 ↗ there as the conversation

3:48:20 ↗ but it's hard it's great

3:48:22 ↗ so so Capital dollars are not

3:48:24 ↗ operational dollars but I would hope

3:48:27 ↗ that as this conversation goes forward

3:48:28 ↗ and we talk about

3:48:30 ↗ um what it would mean for uh the police

3:48:32 ↗ to have an expanded facility but we

3:48:34 ↗ would also be able to talk about the

3:48:36 ↗ kinds of things that that would enable

3:48:38 ↗ in terms of public uh uh safety

3:48:41 ↗ programs or css capabilities talking

3:48:44 ↗ about capabilities what are we doing

3:48:53 ↗ so the intent absolutely is to be on the

3:48:56 ↗ operations like the police too but don't

3:48:59 ↗ talk about fire

3:49:01 ↗ 8.2 Robert 8.4 million dollars

3:49:05 ↗ sorry

3:49:06 ↗ 8.5 million dollars a year and we just

3:49:09 ↗ write a check

3:49:11 ↗ um and while we have tremendous

3:49:13 ↗ representation on the equal board

3:49:16 ↗ um our colleagues from our sister cities

3:49:19 ↗ who make up the equal border unless

3:49:20 ↗ looking at that bottom line and so I

3:49:24 ↗ hope that there's some way we can grab

3:49:27 ↗ fire into this too because those costs

3:49:31 ↗ continue to go up and you know while we

3:49:33 ↗ are have have to be pretty

3:49:36 ↗ uh conservative in our increases need

3:49:39 ↗ for is a single purpose agency and so

3:49:41 ↗ they're less concerned about that likely

3:49:44 ↗ rightfully so but if that comes back on

3:49:47 ↗ us and so as Hebert continues to grow

3:49:49 ↗ its budget it's going to start eating

3:49:52 ↗ away at our flexibility and if there's a

3:49:54 ↗ way somehow some way to include fire

3:49:57 ↗ costs and that's that'd be great I I

3:50:00 ↗ don't think we figure it out a little

3:50:02 ↗ bit of yet and quite honestly messaging

3:50:04 ↗ with this might just get too murky if we

3:50:07 ↗ try to put too many things on it you

3:50:09 ↗ know a fire station which we know is

3:50:12 ↗ needed we're fairly down far down the

3:50:15 ↗ path of doing that that's a Here and Now

3:50:18 ↗ thing but the operational costs on fire

3:50:21 ↗ we have to at least talk about

3:50:24 ↗ so if I can apply having spent kind of

3:50:28 ↗ the last five years with my e for

3:50:29 ↗ friends I actually think that we should

3:50:31 ↗ start to socialize the idea of

3:50:34 ↗ converting beef from a not-for-profit

3:50:36 ↗ into an RFA a regional Fire Authority

3:50:40 ↗ um and then it becomes its own taxing

3:50:42 ↗ entity and it it simplifies things we

3:50:44 ↗ can still set it up to have the same

3:50:45 ↗ same kind of representation structure

3:50:48 ↗ um but I think until we do that

3:50:51 ↗ um we're never really gonna have an

3:50:52 ↗ equitable approach to the cost of fire

3:50:55 ↗ across all of the interpartners so

3:50:57 ↗ um I you know I'm not we're not ready to

3:50:59 ↗ do it today but it's something I think

3:51:00 ↗ we should consider and start to

3:51:02 ↗ socialize and start working because I

3:51:04 ↗ think it simplifies the model for

3:51:06 ↗ everybody and um and it and it equalizes

3:51:09 ↗ the model it's way more Equitable yeah

3:51:12 ↗ so

3:51:14 ↗ well these guys are going to make that

3:51:16 ↗ happen

3:51:18 ↗ the nicest feeling in the world

3:51:24 ↗ um and to that point I'd like to ask

3:51:26 ↗ Robert and his folks if uh if I can get

3:51:28 ↗ a session to go over uh equal financing

3:51:31 ↗ sort of a past Insurance sort of the way

3:51:33 ↗ I'd like to look at per capacity

3:51:35 ↗ spending and all that kind of stuff and

3:51:36 ↗ get a sense so that as I can get my arms

3:51:38 ↗ around it and start talking again

3:51:44 ↗ so step you sounds like you've got the

3:51:47 ↗ buy-in and

3:51:48 ↗ they go ahead yes thank you we we've

3:51:52 ↗ found a lot of San Andreas thank you and

3:51:54 ↗ the staff but that's here

3:51:56 ↗ um we've spent a lot of time working on

3:51:58 ↗ today because we felt it was important

3:52:01 ↗ to get your buy-in at the ground level

3:52:04 ↗ on all of this uh to be successful

3:52:07 ↗ um if you haven't my senses you haven't

3:52:10 ↗ felt that buy-in with capital planning

3:52:13 ↗ in the past and so we want to change

3:52:15 ↗ that everybody wins

3:52:18 ↗ um we were mindful not to share the

3:52:20 ↗ presentation because we haven't done a

3:52:22 ↗ lot of thought about this and if you

3:52:23 ↗ came out and said something wildly

3:52:25 ↗ different we didn't want we wanted you

3:52:27 ↗ to say something different partner that

3:52:29 ↗ you really didn't but um but we wanted

3:52:32 ↗ to have that flexibility so we will

3:52:33 ↗ continue forward on the planet with

3:52:35 ↗ planning calendar for the Council Office

3:52:37 ↗ started right now

3:52:39 ↗ um so we have sick we have specific

3:52:41 ↗ dates saved for this all through all the

3:52:43 ↗ month of June

3:52:45 ↗ um I know that there's some desire and

3:52:47 ↗ counselors that will talk more broadly

3:52:48 ↗ about at least the next six months as

3:52:50 ↗ well before release today so there's

3:52:52 ↗ still time to do that we're ready to do

3:52:54 ↗ that but yeah but thank you really

3:52:56 ↗ appreciate it and I want to especially

3:52:58 ↗ call out uh council president Deputy

3:53:00 ↗ council president the idea of the you

3:53:03 ↗ know the goals and objective piece like

3:53:06 ↗ 1018 was great

3:53:07 ↗ yeah so that transitions really nicely

3:53:11 ↗ into hey we always have a staff work

3:53:15 ↗ plan and capital projects and

3:53:18 ↗ um all of these work plans that we look

3:53:21 ↗ at it's the beginning of the year so all

3:53:24 ↗ of that was in our packet

3:53:28 ↗ um I don't think there's a specific

3:53:30 ↗ presentation or anything on this that

3:53:33 ↗ was really up to us to look through

3:53:37 ↗ so the first one is the city-wide work

3:53:41 ↗ plan and so that covers you know all of

3:53:46 ↗ our strategic plan goal areas the

3:53:48 ↗ mobility development all of that I

3:53:52 ↗ wanted to say thank you to staff to

3:53:54 ↗ adding in the city council touchpoint

3:53:57 ↗ column I thought that was really useful

3:54:00 ↗ in me being able to say okay

3:54:02 ↗ when that's almost like those uh

3:54:05 ↗ milestones in a sense that show us when

3:54:09 ↗ are we doing our touch points and so we

3:54:13 ↗ can do that evaluation did anybody else

3:54:15 ↗ have any honest questions concerns on

3:54:18 ↗ the work plan

3:54:21 ↗ I think

3:54:22 ↗ yes

3:54:25 ↗ um I did I noticed the um

3:54:27 ↗ t-o-d-o-c

3:54:29 ↗ um which we've made somewhat significant

3:54:32 ↗ I should probably say Majors majorly

3:54:34 ↗ significant progress

3:54:36 ↗ next month or so uh is is listed as

3:54:39 ↗ major challenges so I was wondering if

3:54:41 ↗ there's anything new

3:54:43 ↗ um that's happened that we're not aware

3:54:44 ↗ of or if that's just a description of

3:54:46 ↗ the ongoing

3:54:48 ↗ what we wanted it done you know four

3:54:50 ↗ years ago

3:54:52 ↗ I think that's you know it's hard once

3:54:55 ↗ we've once we've passed you know certain

3:54:57 ↗ Milestone when do you change it because

3:54:58 ↗ this has been a leadered project for

3:55:01 ↗ many years but we are at a really good

3:55:03 ↗ place we remain in a great place with

3:55:05 ↗ this project so I still have

3:55:08 ↗ um weekly or more than weekly meetings

3:55:10 ↗ with the project team uh we're we're

3:55:13 ↗ um no no major challenges since you know

3:55:16 ↗ uh The Last Action on this in December

3:55:19 ↗ so really good good to hear thank you

3:55:21 ↗ there was the council there's a policy

3:55:23 ↗ okay for us to reset this

3:55:26 ↗ now that so that it's there's no longer

3:55:29 ↗ major challenges that if it's on track

3:55:31 ↗ from this point forward and then if

3:55:34 ↗ something happens

3:55:36 ↗ sometimes we glance at it because

3:55:37 ↗ otherwise it'll say major challenges

3:55:39 ↗ yeah

3:55:43 ↗ so

3:55:44 ↗ um one of my earlier

3:55:46 ↗ asks on when when we we've been having

3:55:49 ↗ these documents as briefings for a while

3:55:51 ↗ now and one of the things was that they

3:55:53 ↗ they did sometimes change uh because the

3:55:57 ↗ goals would be reset for these long

3:55:58 ↗ projects and so my concern is just that

3:56:01 ↗ we do need to have information about

3:56:04 ↗ that it is four years you know behind

3:56:07 ↗ it's now on a new track and that happens

3:56:09 ↗ but I don't want that to get lost

3:56:12 ↗ because otherwise it keeps telescoping

3:56:13 ↗ out to the Future and we lose track of

3:56:16 ↗ that it's on the new track which is

3:56:19 ↗ actually

3:56:20 ↗ quite behind so um I I think it's okay

3:56:23 ↗ to reset because you know this is one

3:56:25 ↗ specific example but I do want to have

3:56:27 ↗ it documented in this that

3:56:30 ↗ we have reset it as of you know today

3:56:33 ↗ January 2018. like within the narrative

3:56:35 ↗ perhaps yeah the narrative and you've

3:56:38 ↗ reset it because of events and then it's

3:56:42 ↗ recorded Susie are you getting that for

3:56:45 ↗ chief I'm reading it right now

3:56:49 ↗ oh

3:56:51 ↗ and again we talked about reports being

3:56:54 ↗ uploaded this report

3:56:55 ↗ and that this needs to be dynamic on the

3:56:58 ↗ website

3:57:00 ↗ um and I know that Gene and Dale are are

3:57:03 ↗ chomping at the bit to do more of that

3:57:06 ↗ um but but they also know the importance

3:57:08 ↗ of discussions like this and having

3:57:09 ↗ something in front of you so

3:57:11 ↗ I think Ben you can capture and quite

3:57:13 ↗ honestly have more data fields because

3:57:15 ↗ we're

3:57:15 ↗ confined by just the sheer size of the

3:57:18 ↗ piece of paper and how small the print

3:57:21 ↗ but I think if we were to add to this an

3:57:24 ↗ established date

3:57:25 ↗ when did this first come on it was this

3:57:28 ↗ first added you know that would be great

3:57:30 ↗ to happen then that's one more column

3:57:31 ↗ yeah trying to squeeze on a piece of

3:57:34 ↗ paper

3:57:36 ↗ so I had a few items on this um gd4b

3:57:40 ↗ which is developed code amendments to

3:57:42 ↗ address diversity of housing I

3:57:45 ↗ appreciate that it says deliverables are

3:57:46 ↗ expected in June 2023 I'd love to know

3:57:49 ↗ when the next Council touch point is and

3:57:52 ↗ then similarly Council touch point on

3:57:54 ↗ the other Title 18 future update around

3:57:58 ↗ parking would be great to know on that

3:58:03 ↗ um and then I am very excited about the

3:58:05 ↗ online Utility Billing being available

3:58:07 ↗ in June so excited looking forward to

3:58:10 ↗ how we've publicized that to the

3:58:12 ↗ community we're so excited okay what's

3:58:16 ↗ the status for our online business tax

3:58:18 ↗ payments

3:58:20 ↗ so I'd love to get an update on what the

3:58:23 ↗ next step is for online business tax

3:58:26 ↗ payments

3:58:27 ↗ yes yes can you do it in two percent yes

3:58:31 ↗ um we have some limitations right now

3:58:33 ↗ with the software this is something that

3:58:35 ↗ we're going after support

3:58:39 ↗ okay well I appreciate that we're

3:58:42 ↗ getting something for every resident

3:58:43 ↗ also the businesses would be nice but

3:58:46 ↗ you know

3:58:47 ↗ okay great anybody have anything else on

3:58:50 ↗ the work plan

3:58:53 ↗ great next document was the capital

3:58:59 ↗ um Improvement plan project report and

3:59:03 ↗ so that's going over all of the capital

3:59:05 ↗ Improvement plans or capital

3:59:08 ↗ projects that we have in the city

3:59:13 ↗ um anybody has have any illness

3:59:16 ↗ questions concerns

3:59:19 ↗ okay I'll get them to mine

3:59:21 ↗ um pavement management

3:59:24 ↗ um

3:59:25 ↗ all of that last year's ceiling and

3:59:27 ↗ overlays didn't really go so well so I'm

3:59:31 ↗ wondering what we're doing differently

3:59:33 ↗ this year and when we'll get an update

3:59:37 ↗ on it

3:59:38 ↗ well it didn't really go so well it's a

3:59:40 ↗ very broad statement

3:59:42 ↗ um the Public Works staff

3:59:44 ↗ merely kills themselves on this

3:59:47 ↗ um and Ben and ashwa

3:59:50 ↗ first of all though so it was an

3:59:52 ↗ Innovative idea there were lots of

3:59:54 ↗ things that we tried the results whether

3:59:57 ↗ it was because the contractors or

3:59:58 ↗ whatnot what was our goal and what did

4:00:00 ↗ we accomplished that's how to frame that

4:00:03 ↗ conversation

4:00:04 ↗ yeah and you know there were different I

4:00:07 ↗ mean I I think at the end of the day we

4:00:09 ↗ largely accomplished what we said I

4:00:11 ↗ think the process the timing uh and the

4:00:14 ↗ resource activities were different than

4:00:16 ↗ one

4:00:19 ↗ my staff climate has taken us to deal

4:00:22 ↗ with companies that are over subscribed

4:00:26 ↗ and understaffed has been significant

4:00:29 ↗ um Bennett spent more time in 2022

4:00:31 ↗ interviewing employees than he did

4:00:34 ↗ working on pavement management and

4:00:36 ↗ that's not doesn't help payment

4:00:38 ↗ management when he's busy replacing

4:00:40 ↗ employees my sense Emily is that we're

4:00:43 ↗ much better off in the Staffing side on

4:00:45 ↗ streets than we were

4:00:48 ↗ 9 10 months ago so our hope is that this

4:00:51 ↗ year there will be less time spent

4:00:53 ↗ interviewing employees training

4:00:55 ↗ employees of our time focused on getting

4:00:57 ↗ out the projects again we have some

4:01:00 ↗ problems with vendors and their the

4:01:02 ↗ actual quality of their work I think

4:01:05 ↗ that could be attributed to vendors

4:01:07 ↗ having the same problems we do hiring

4:01:09 ↗ staff that aren't properly trained to

4:01:11 ↗ properly mix slurry appropriately

4:01:15 ↗ we resolve many if not all of those

4:01:18 ↗ issues a typical cycle I think we were

4:01:21 ↗ resolving 21 problems and 22 but I

4:01:24 ↗ believe we came through by the end of 22

4:01:26 ↗ having been on resolved so with staff

4:01:29 ↗ having the time to put out the contract

4:01:32 ↗ documents which is happening I imagine

4:01:34 ↗ right now or at least the preparations

4:01:37 ↗ talking Road segments right now right so

4:01:39 ↗ so that's also I I think we're feeling

4:01:41 ↗ fairly confident that the pieces are in

4:01:44 ↗ place that have been in place the last

4:01:45 ↗ couple of years so that's where we're at

4:01:48 ↗ but I think at the end of the day

4:01:50 ↗ we did what we said we were going to do

4:01:52 ↗ it just took a lot more energy and

4:01:54 ↗ effort to actually get it done yeah

4:01:58 ↗ um similarly we have two pigment

4:02:00 ↗ preservation projects on East Lake

4:02:02 ↗ Sammamish Parkway and Southeast 43rd and

4:02:05 ↗ I'm just wondering if we have

4:02:07 ↗ opportunities to kind of re-evaluate

4:02:09 ↗ what the pavement markings are there

4:02:12 ↗ when we're doing that and maybe

4:02:13 ↗ accomplish some protected fight blames

4:02:16 ↗ or other

4:02:17 ↗ multimodal opportunities with them

4:02:21 ↗ thrown it out there my guess is that's

4:02:24 ↗ not part of the project is it's

4:02:26 ↗ currently scoped

4:02:28 ↗ is there

4:02:29 ↗ Grant funded to the large three projects

4:02:37 ↗ to figure if we're gonna tear up a

4:02:38 ↗ roadway

4:02:40 ↗ Library do the same thing yeah it's a

4:02:43 ↗ great tearing up the roadway it's kind

4:02:45 ↗ of like bringing it down and getting it

4:02:47 ↗ ready yeah our maintenance thing but I

4:02:48 ↗ think one of the benefits that we now

4:02:51 ↗ have that started with Bob

4:02:53 ↗ is we have engineering and operations

4:02:57 ↗ under one house and their activities

4:03:00 ↗ while they're sometimes different are

4:03:02 ↗ interrelated

4:03:04 ↗ um our desire would be to touch a road

4:03:06 ↗ once and deal with those with

4:03:08 ↗ maintenance and I would I would call

4:03:10 ↗ enhancements or complete streets

4:03:12 ↗ activities they don't line up very well

4:03:15 ↗ often because the pavement is failing

4:03:17 ↗ and we do not have a capital project to

4:03:20 ↗ do kinds of the kinds of improvements

4:03:22 ↗ you're talking about but I hear you and

4:03:25 ↗ I think we have a better opportunity now

4:03:26 ↗ that we have it under one house

4:03:28 ↗ one director

4:03:31 ↗ Victoria

4:03:33 ↗ um well I was I always look for Hillside

4:03:35 ↗ Park it's currently on whatever track is

4:03:37 ↗ on so that's that's an example of one

4:03:39 ↗ that's been on different tracks and

4:03:42 ↗ um

4:03:43 ↗ it has been on the fastest tracks that

4:03:46 ↗ we've been able to have it for over the

4:03:48 ↗ last two years that we have put more

4:03:50 ↗ energy effort Community meetings

4:03:53 ↗ um planning staff environmental

4:03:56 ↗ Consultants uh we could not do that

4:03:58 ↗ project any faster if we wanted to over

4:04:00 ↗ the last can I share a little story on

4:04:02 ↗ that one today I wanted to say that it

4:04:05 ↗ I'm glad it's on yeah but I also want to

4:04:07 ↗ point out that it became green yeah so

4:04:11 ↗ there was a history of it being that

4:04:13 ↗ great I really want to thank you know

4:04:15 ↗ council members who have spoken up for

4:04:17 ↗ that older neighborhood for a long time

4:04:19 ↗ that is a real asset for that Community

4:04:22 ↗ you know when you open a can of orange

4:04:24 ↗ you never know what you're gonna see but

4:04:26 ↗ at one point we were

4:04:28 ↗ loggerheads with Department of ecology

4:04:30 ↗ in they wanted us to actually contribute

4:04:33 ↗ a million dollars to a fund that they

4:04:36 ↗ would spend on other communities based

4:04:39 ↗ on us working on our Wetland mitigation

4:04:41 ↗ issues and we had to fight them back no

4:04:43 ↗ way so you know that kind of worked

4:04:49 ↗ such a much bigger thing so it's on

4:04:51 ↗ track you do not have to give them a

4:04:53 ↗ million dollars to spend in other

4:04:55 ↗ communities and we get to proceed with

4:04:56 ↗ the work so it was surprising how

4:05:00 ↗ difficult that tiny little hidden

4:05:02 ↗ treasure has been but um how many

4:05:05 ↗ Community meetings Jeff

4:05:07 ↗ so during planning so on a positive side

4:05:11 ↗ you notice the orange color isn't part

4:05:12 ↗ of Hillside Park anymore we're through

4:05:15 ↗ planning the conceptual movement to get

4:05:17 ↗ to that we had probably five

4:05:19 ↗ neighborhood meetings to reach consensus

4:05:21 ↗ and that's a neighborhood that was at

4:05:23 ↗ serious friction

4:05:25 ↗ um no playground or yes playground so we

4:05:29 ↗ reached Community consensus 80 85 of

4:05:32 ↗ neighborhood respondents said we really

4:05:35 ↗ like the balanced approach you took yeah

4:05:37 ↗ okay there's 15 percent that well a

4:05:41 ↗ couple of them really really loud but

4:05:43 ↗ we're at consensus and so again to have

4:05:45 ↗ ecology say you don't need to write us a

4:05:48 ↗ check we like your game plan of

4:05:50 ↗ mitigating in the issaquerque corridor

4:05:52 ↗ and we're making some really really good

4:05:54 ↗ progress success will be when council

4:05:56 ↗ member Mark shows us that your own

4:05:58 ↗ footage yeah

4:06:06 ↗ okay so sorry I derailed this but what I

4:06:09 ↗ wanted to do is I actually wanted to bag

4:06:11 ↗ was I noticed that laughing Jacob's

4:06:13 ↗ create channel enhancement support is in

4:06:15 ↗ the red so important for Kokanee which

4:06:18 ↗ is super important to the community and

4:06:20 ↗ our neighboring communities and it talks

4:06:23 ↗ there about meeting additional funds for

4:06:25 ↗ the project in early Q3 so potentially

4:06:28 ↗ this is part of our conversations on

4:06:29 ↗ Capital

4:06:31 ↗ needs but I did want to flag that one

4:06:33 ↗ because it's red and then it looks like

4:06:35 ↗ from this that

4:06:37 ↗ um you know maybe we need to Advocate at

4:06:39 ↗ the state level for funding or maybe we

4:06:41 ↗ need to advocate for a different where

4:06:43 ↗ it runs different funds to make this

4:06:45 ↗ possible but um I know laughing Jacob

4:06:47 ↗ create very important for cooking

4:06:48 ↗ company really only have habitat our

4:06:51 ↗ local company only have habitat in like

4:06:53 ↗ Spanish so super important that we do

4:06:55 ↗ our part to preserve them

4:06:59 ↗ certified doctor Council and probably be

4:07:01 ↗ back those have more information about

4:07:02 ↗ how to fund that

4:07:05 ↗ what's the Gap jump

4:07:07 ↗ that's our question oh is that your

4:07:09 ↗ project what's the Gap Emily that is at

4:07:12 ↗ this moment I think the staff is still

4:07:15 ↗ trying to work with

4:07:17 ↗ um there's Partners on this project and

4:07:19 ↗ get clarity on what other partners may

4:07:22 ↗ be bringing

4:07:23 ↗ to it so I'd be happy to

4:07:26 ↗ be to share more

4:07:29 ↗ well a lot of the legislature is in

4:07:30 ↗ session I mean this is an opportunity to

4:07:31 ↗ talk to Mark and Lisa the capital budget

4:07:33 ↗ leaders and ask if there's any room in

4:07:36 ↗ the budget for a budget Proviso

4:07:38 ↗ State funding they'll look great

4:07:42 ↗ [Music]

4:07:43 ↗ yeah oh yeah

4:07:45 ↗ yes let's hear what Emily's team comes

4:07:49 ↗ back as you know a lot of these ones

4:07:51 ↗ that have multiple jurisdictions are

4:07:52 ↗ complicated that we need to have a

4:07:54 ↗ specific account

4:08:03 ↗ exactly

4:08:07 ↗ as well

4:08:09 ↗ a little bit more information

4:08:14 ↗ let me know how I can advocate for

4:08:16 ↗ getting that done super important one

4:08:22 ↗ um on my list I notice in the old town

4:08:24 ↗ traffic calming it says PSC is

4:08:25 ↗ installing street lights is that just on

4:08:28 ↗ that main thoroughfare where we did The

4:08:32 ↗ Sun Cross box at Sunset so additional

4:08:36 ↗ lighting is part of the plan on Sunset

4:08:38 ↗ and uh enhanced enhancement better

4:08:41 ↗ marked Crossings on Sunset so those

4:08:44 ↗ lights are in order we're going to get

4:08:46 ↗ them in a couple of months who knows

4:08:48 ↗ there's been a delay

4:08:50 ↗ and so I think it doesn't mean that

4:08:53 ↗ absolutely the new summertime I just

4:08:56 ↗ wasn't sure if that was going to be in

4:08:58 ↗ the entire Old Town neighborhood then I

4:09:00 ↗ was going to say well shouldn't we

4:09:01 ↗ consider sidewalks first should we talk

4:09:03 ↗ to the community so the the lighting

4:09:06 ↗ plan so yeah it's been a couple years

4:09:07 ↗ since we talked about this the the

4:09:09 ↗ lighting was a specific additional

4:09:12 ↗ lighting along the sunset and some of

4:09:13 ↗ those dark areas where we really heard

4:09:15 ↗ public comments saying you need to put

4:09:17 ↗ more light in here so that was really

4:09:18 ↗ the focus is to be responsive to the

4:09:20 ↗ community concerns that came up so we

4:09:24 ↗ you know we did the improvements at

4:09:25 ↗ second and Bush

4:09:27 ↗ um and the next step is that lighting

4:09:29 ↗ and we have we ordered those lights a

4:09:31 ↗ really long time ago we're just supply

4:09:34 ↗ chain stuff so um it's again in response

4:09:37 ↗ to specific Community concerns that were

4:09:39 ↗ raised yeah I remember those spots now

4:09:42 ↗ that you mentioned that okay

4:09:44 ↗ um and then the last one I had is I

4:09:47 ↗ noticed we're doing the community center

4:09:48 ↗ roof replacement have we considered

4:09:51 ↗ solar absolutely not we just don't think

4:09:54 ↗ solar makes any sense

4:10:01 ↗ what they will pay for it

4:10:06 ↗ write it down

4:10:08 ↗ okay

4:10:12 ↗ um anybody else sorry

4:10:14 ↗ too much coffee yeah

4:10:19 ↗ [Music]

4:10:22 ↗ yeah Barb with a random comment so

4:10:26 ↗ um I looked at the Strategic plan which

4:10:28 ↗ I will admit I have not looked at for a

4:10:30 ↗ while and I just want to say that as I

4:10:32 ↗ was going through it it was just amazing

4:10:34 ↗ to see how much we have done yeah it's

4:10:38 ↗ you could just check could check could

4:10:40 ↗ check or even the broader statements I

4:10:42 ↗ could think of projects within that I've

4:10:45 ↗ gotten done so I just you know I I well

4:10:48 ↗ first of all the value of strategic

4:10:49 ↗ planning is it sets you know yes exactly

4:10:54 ↗ congratulations and secondly and I am

4:10:58 ↗ not proposing this for 2023 but we

4:11:02 ↗ probably are getting close to needing to

4:11:05 ↗ renew this strategic plan yeah but

4:11:08 ↗ congratulations to staff and everybody

4:11:11 ↗ uh it's amazing I would recommend to

4:11:13 ↗ anybody to go back and look at the

4:11:15 ↗ Strategic plan and just count the number

4:11:16 ↗ of things we've actually accomplished

4:11:18 ↗ thank you that that is awesome yeah

4:11:20 ↗ that's awesome

4:11:23 ↗ so I think at this point the last

4:11:26 ↗ remaining item on our agenda is public

4:11:30 ↗ comment and so we have one individual in

4:11:33 ↗ the Brownsville Indiana will we be able

4:11:36 ↗ to talk about some of the other Liberty

4:11:38 ↗ thousand foot issues yeah actually why

4:11:41 ↗ don't you do that before we go to public

4:11:43 ↗ comment and yes we have at least one

4:11:45 ↗ person online with uh public comments

4:11:48 ↗ ICM

4:11:49 ↗ go ahead so the council president Deputy

4:11:52 ↗ council president wanted to at least

4:11:54 ↗ spend a couple minutes talking about

4:11:56 ↗ what else is going on what else will you

4:11:58 ↗ see before you

4:12:00 ↗ um over let's let's say the next six

4:12:02 ↗ months so first and foremost the title

4:12:04 ↗ 18.

4:12:05 ↗ um Title 18 is wrapping up at a planning

4:12:08 ↗ policy it will go to the council's

4:12:10 ↗ client development environment Committee

4:12:12 ↗ in February

4:12:13 ↗ it looks like it will get through that

4:12:16 ↗ Committee in February although I don't

4:12:18 ↗ say that with 100 certainty which means

4:12:21 ↗ that it will come back to the council in

4:12:23 ↗ March we haven't created a whole uh

4:12:25 ↗ scheduled where we'll have a public

4:12:27 ↗ hearing so it will likely have two

4:12:29 ↗ Touches at the city council so that is

4:12:31 ↗ coming to an end for those of you who

4:12:33 ↗ are not on the council committee I mean

4:12:37 ↗ ridiculous tremendous amount of effort

4:12:39 ↗ from the council committee itself from

4:12:42 ↗ the planning policy committee from City

4:12:45 ↗ staff from members of the community this

4:12:47 ↗ has been an enormous lift but it is

4:12:49 ↗ coming to a conclusion and you will see

4:12:52 ↗ it during the month of March as you look

4:12:54 ↗ on that's 0.1.2 as you look on the

4:12:57 ↗ planning calendar there's a ton of stuff

4:12:58 ↗ on facilities city office facilities so

4:13:02 ↗ um Autumn will be here

4:13:04 ↗ um with the planning team uh talk about

4:13:07 ↗ city office facilities we've done I

4:13:10 ↗ think a pretty good job of foreshadowing

4:13:12 ↗ some pieces of this that City Hall

4:13:17 ↗ there are going to be issues with that

4:13:19 ↗ the other big thing you need to be

4:13:21 ↗ thinking about is City Hall Northwest

4:13:23 ↗ the city clerk

4:13:26 ↗ has gone has done I mean about about a

4:13:29 ↗ year ago I guess we were largely out of

4:13:33 ↗ the building but since then the city

4:13:36 ↗ clerk and her staff and consultant staff

4:13:39 ↗ which she is just lost at the end of

4:13:42 ↗ this week after how many months did you

4:13:43 ↗ have them over one year plus of scanning

4:13:48 ↗ all the documents that resided in that

4:13:49 ↗ building we are largely done with that

4:13:52 ↗ and when we are done we will have one of

4:13:54 ↗ the most impressive Municipal records uh

4:13:58 ↗ digitization projects for 650 000 in

4:14:01 ↗ America in the country but it is it is

4:14:03 ↗ just astounding but with all that said

4:14:05 ↗ the building is about ready to be

4:14:07 ↗ disposed of and so we need the council's

4:14:10 ↗ guidance Direction thoughts during the

4:14:13 ↗ first half of this year about this

4:14:15 ↗ position of City Hall Northwest

4:14:18 ↗ largely separate from everything else

4:14:20 ↗ we're talking about so that is something

4:14:22 ↗ to keep an eye on as well as you're

4:14:25 ↗ thinking about things we are going to

4:14:27 ↗ come back to the council with the equity

4:14:28 ↗ framework we have done

4:14:30 ↗ um some soul searching I think it's safe

4:14:33 ↗ to call it social regime in this very

4:14:34 ↗ room

4:14:35 ↗ um about where we are with that I think

4:14:38 ↗ we're at a point we've come back on

4:14:39 ↗ porch the council where we are with that

4:14:41 ↗ so that's an important piece uh coming

4:14:43 ↗ up as well over the the next uh the six

4:14:46 ↗ months uh I think those are pretty much

4:14:49 ↗ the

4:14:50 ↗ Emily

4:14:54 ↗ sorry Emily what about oh well we also

4:14:58 ↗ foreshadowed Staffing because that's

4:15:00 ↗ what you're talking about we've also I

4:15:02 ↗ think that's the CIP all of that is yes

4:15:05 ↗ yes I mean these are things we didn't

4:15:06 ↗ talk about today the things we didn't

4:15:08 ↗ talk about today uh but yes CIP is a big

4:15:11 ↗ part of the Staffing for Public Works

4:15:13 ↗ um you know we we don't feel comfortable

4:15:15 ↗ with the staff Network

4:15:17 ↗ um we may not be comfortable on the park

4:15:19 ↗ side either but we're still in the

4:15:21 ↗ process I mean Jeff's hopefully has a a

4:15:23 ↗ good a good person that they're talking

4:15:26 ↗ to

4:15:27 ↗ um but we know right now that we're not

4:15:30 ↗ comfortable where we are with public

4:15:31 ↗ works so we will come I think the

4:15:33 ↗ services safety and Parks talk about

4:15:35 ↗ that in the month of February is that

4:15:38 ↗ when it's scheduled Emily

4:15:42 ↗ will be coming to committee

4:15:47 ↗ um

4:15:50 ↗ we'll figure it out but that's also

4:15:53 ↗ coming

4:15:54 ↗ um we take all this very seriously and

4:15:56 ↗ uh you know Emily has done a tremendous

4:15:59 ↗ job coming on here looking very

4:16:00 ↗ methodically using data which I don't

4:16:03 ↗ think we have used data properly in

4:16:05 ↗ evaluating the resources we spent on a

4:16:07 ↗ couple projects so we now have done a

4:16:09 ↗ better job of that and I think could

4:16:11 ↗ make asks that are informed

4:16:14 ↗ wow so thank you council president those

4:16:16 ↗ are the big big things other than the

4:16:19 ↗ stuff we've talked about today that's

4:16:20 ↗ what the next six months are here to the

4:16:22 ↗ council lives look like thank you

4:16:24 ↗ excellent okay so we have a preview of

4:16:27 ↗ what's coming up what's fun things to

4:16:30 ↗ touch one

4:16:31 ↗ um but we still need to close up this

4:16:32 ↗ Retreat and hear from the community

4:16:35 ↗ members who have been so kind to wait

4:16:37 ↗ through so do we have anyone in the room

4:16:40 ↗ who wants to make comments

4:16:43 ↗ no

4:16:45 ↗ yes come on up Julia

4:16:54 ↗ yeah and you speak I think yeah yeah

4:16:57 ↗ okay so we'll we'll keep an eye on that

4:17:00 ↗ um

4:17:01 ↗ hello my name is Julian just a resident

4:17:05 ↗ of Issaquah

4:17:08 ↗ I should Chief uh just the public safety

4:17:11 ↗ Levy that might be proposed or will be

4:17:14 ↗ proposed on the Privacy ballot

4:17:17 ↗ um I think the focus would be you know

4:17:20 ↗ more it should be wider but I'm just

4:17:22 ↗ facilities if we aren't on the

4:17:25 ↗ client-free ballots I think it's crucial

4:17:28 ↗ to you know you feel Behavioral Health

4:17:30 ↗ and things that make sure into that as

4:17:33 ↗ well otherwise I don't think I could

4:17:35 ↗ support just the simple facilities

4:17:39 ↗ so it's a wider

4:17:41 ↗ and

4:17:42 ↗ Ballistic approach to Public Safety is

4:17:45 ↗ important thank you

4:17:48 ↗ thank you

4:17:49 ↗ and then that's the only member we have

4:17:52 ↗ in person

4:17:53 ↗ um I know I see CM I assume that's

4:17:56 ↗ Connie Marsh online and then do we have

4:17:58 ↗ anybody else after that okay great can

4:18:02 ↗ we give county ability to

4:18:04 ↗ speak and

4:18:06 ↗ yes because you've been unmuted okay do

4:18:09 ↗ I get to be video or I'm just a voice

4:18:12 ↗ okay

4:18:13 ↗ you should be able to turn video on

4:18:18 ↗ now I just I think I just got it

4:18:21 ↗ yes you're right here here I am nowhere

4:18:24 ↗ I'm actually

4:18:25 ↗ out working today but

4:18:28 ↗ um I've been trying to listen off and on

4:18:30 ↗ and here you go so one of the things

4:18:33 ↗ that you rarely talk about is technology

4:18:36 ↗ and that's one of the big things that we

4:18:39 ↗ need for improvement and one of those

4:18:42 ↗ even larger things is GIS mapping which

4:18:45 ↗ is going to be a baseline component for

4:18:48 ↗ our our planning and our building and so

4:18:52 ↗ I think we need to ensure that that gets

4:18:56 ↗ a voice it does not have a committee

4:18:57 ↗ that guides it and we rarely get

4:19:01 ↗ presentations on it so then on the

4:19:05 ↗ criteria breakdowns from last year where

4:19:08 ↗ we tried to go through criteria for uh

4:19:12 ↗ the CIP and tip the bigger breakdown was

4:19:16 ↗ when criteria were created and then the

4:19:19 ↗ project lists were brought back it's a

4:19:22 ↗ project list did not get

4:19:24 ↗ uh to the goals that were being hoped

4:19:29 ↗ for but there was very little voice to

4:19:33 ↗ say we need to change this we need to

4:19:36 ↗ change this it's not right so I would

4:19:39 ↗ ask that there actually be quite a bit

4:19:40 ↗ of time at the end after the criteria

4:19:43 ↗ created and the projects then are pushed

4:19:46 ↗ out for people to say wow that is not

4:19:50 ↗ what we expected and we we think it

4:19:53 ↗ needs to be changed for this year not in

4:19:56 ↗ the future and then for the golden

4:19:58 ↗ outcomes chart you do need to remember

4:20:01 ↗ that goals and outs comes chart came

4:20:03 ↗ with struggles which one of the largest

4:20:07 ↗ ones was do the goals and outcomes have

4:20:11 ↗ to match the existing comprehensive plan

4:20:14 ↗ goals and we're going to be going

4:20:16 ↗ through comprehensive sense of playing

4:20:18 ↗ updates so I think that awkwardness

4:20:21 ↗ needs to be dressed from the very

4:20:23 ↗ beginning and that might save you like

4:20:26 ↗ four meetings I

4:20:28 ↗ like the

4:20:30 ↗ let's see

4:20:31 ↗ finding fundings oh uh the one thing I

4:20:35 ↗ didn't hear you talk about was

4:20:36 ↗ somebody's got to say how much money do

4:20:38 ↗ we think we're going to be getting from

4:20:40 ↗ the outside and what are those projected

4:20:42 ↗ funding streams look like and I don't

4:20:45 ↗ know that we have anybody in the city

4:20:46 ↗ that provides that sort of analysis

4:20:49 ↗ because well we talk about funding

4:20:51 ↗ shortages

4:20:54 ↗ um huge component of that especially for

4:20:56 ↗ capital projects is what grants are we

4:20:59 ↗ going to be able to get and potentially

4:21:01 ↗ what state funding could come our way

4:21:03 ↗ and so do we have staff for that and

4:21:08 ↗ last I you know Public Safety Public

4:21:13 ↗ Safety what the heck so maybe do a

4:21:16 ↗ survey and ask people what Public Safety

4:21:19 ↗ is to them and what resonates with the

4:21:21 ↗ majority of people before you decide you

4:21:23 ↗ think you know what that means and what

4:21:26 ↗ they would support

4:21:28 ↗ um I think you all feel like you know

4:21:30 ↗ what you would support support but that

4:21:32 ↗ may not be what the public would support

4:21:34 ↗ and I think if you do that early before

4:21:37 ↗ it goes to a commit the Committees I

4:21:40 ↗ think you'd have a better chance of

4:21:42 ↗ getting something that people might

4:21:44 ↗ pass so I thought it was an interesting

4:21:46 ↗ conversation you all had thoughtful

4:21:48 ↗ ideas and maybe yet again another

4:21:51 ↗ reiteration of how we're going to

4:21:54 ↗ prioritize a CIP will get us better

4:21:57 ↗ results I don't know I've been through

4:21:59 ↗ it like six times and we always seem to

4:22:01 ↗ sort of end up in the same place which

4:22:03 ↗ is this is not quite right but who knows

4:22:05 ↗ maybe the sixth time is the charm thanks

4:22:09 ↗ thanks for joining us while you're uh

4:22:12 ↗ out and about and all of that

4:22:16 ↗ um any other public online okay no so at

4:22:21 ↗ that point you know we have three more

4:22:24 ↗ minutes we really we have just three

4:22:26 ↗ minutes

4:22:34 ↗ yes

4:22:36 ↗ we're gonna do that

4:22:39 ↗ shouldn't have what they need does

4:22:40 ↗ council have any other questions or you

4:22:44 ↗ guys all just really tired of us at this

4:22:46 ↗ point no just happened

4:22:48 ↗ yeah thank you yeah thank you for the

4:22:51 ↗ structure you guys provided and the

4:22:54 ↗ early information you sent out to

4:22:55 ↗ council I think we have really good

4:22:56 ↗ conversations

4:22:58 ↗ we love hanging out with you guys we

4:23:00 ↗ just developed these things because we

4:23:02 ↗ just hang the brainstorming sessions so

4:23:05 ↗ May 6th is your next one and so May 6th

4:23:09 ↗ will be the results the community survey

4:23:11 ↗ because that's Autumn ready almost ready

4:23:13 ↗ to go out on street right

4:23:15 ↗ February what was the role and we're

4:23:18 ↗ pretty close to that so you'll have the

4:23:19 ↗ results the community survey and we will

4:23:21 ↗ talk about performance measures we'll

4:23:23 ↗ have all the 22 measures Dale will be

4:23:26 ↗ here and we'll walk through all of that

4:23:29 ↗ That Remains the beginning of the budget

4:23:31 ↗ mid-year bid biennium budget process

4:23:33 ↗ starts on May 6th yeah okay so you guys

4:23:37 ↗ have everything you need from this

4:23:40 ↗ we'll look forward to what we get back

4:23:42 ↗ for the February club meeting

4:23:44 ↗ excellent

4:23:46 ↗ thanks everybody

4:23:48 ↗ um

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Council / Members (7)

Barbara de Michele

Zach Hall

Victoria Hunt

Russell Joe

Tola Marts

Chris Reh

Lindsey Walsh

Staff (9)

Mary Lou Pauly, Mayor

Wally Bobkiewicz, City Administrator

Andrea Snyder, Deputy City Administrator

Tisha Gieser, City Clerk

Robert Hamud, Chief Financial Officer

Autumn Monahan, Administrative Services Director

Emily Moon, Public Works Director

Jeff Watling, Parks & Community Services Director

Susie Monsell, Budget Manager