Park Board · Monday, June 23, 2025 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of May 19, 2025

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 05-19-2025 Park Board Minutes Page [1] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Park Board and Arts Commission Joint Meeting 7:00 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave May 19th, 2025 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Level of Service Metrics (I)

Discussion · Jeff Watling, Director and Robin Spear, Park Planning and Development Manger · packet pp.7–19

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J U N E 2 3 , 2 0 2 5 | PA R K B OA R D Jeff Watling- Director, Parks & Community Services

Creeks to Peaks: Three Trails Crossing Art

Robin Spear, Park Planning and Development Manager · packet pp.21–26

Topics: Parks

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5. REPORTS

Director's Report

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Chairperson's Report

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Youth Representative's Report

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0:05 ↗ Uh it is 7:01 on June 23rd.

0:10 ↗ Mr. Chair, I'll call this meeting this

0:12 ↗ part board to park board to order. We'll

0:16 ↗ do a little roll call. I think we're

0:20 ↗ say president here if it comes to your

0:23 ↗ turn. Ryan Olsen here. David,

0:30 ↗ Katie Bell,

0:34 ↗ excused. She did let me know. Chris

0:36 ↗ Kovac excused

0:39 ↗ Tim Mley.

0:42 ↗ Uh Hannah

0:46 ↗ may be joining us remotely. Hannah Ran

0:49 ↗ here.

0:52 ↗ A Jane Tusi.

0:55 ↗ Marlene Wax. Hello. Here. Paulair here.

1:00 ↗ Martha Ginther here.

1:02 ↗ Jeff New here.

1:06 ↗ Oh, good. We have a quorum. Uh, has

1:09 ↗ everybody had an opportunity to review

1:11 ↗ the minutes from last month? Any edits

1:15 ↗ or corrections?

1:18 ↗ No corrections on behalf of the court

1:20 ↗ and that's our approved.

1:25 ↗ As noted, there's a council meeting

1:28 ↗ tonight, but uh going around to see if

1:30 ↗ we have any public comments.

1:36 ↗ Nobody is online.

1:40 ↗ And we'll come to our regular business.

1:44 ↗ All right.

1:46 ↗ Right. Well done.

1:49 ↗ Mr. Chair,

1:51 ↗ Mr. Chair. Fantastic. Hi, Jane. Oh, it's

1:56 ↗ okay. It's okay.

1:59 ↗ Note in the minutes that Jane Jane has

2:01 ↗ arrived.

2:02 ↗ So, this first item um is our level of

2:05 ↗ service discussion, right? Um really

2:08 ↗ appreciated the conversation we had last

2:10 ↗ month. This is a continuation of that.

2:13 ↗ Um, as we stressed last month, th this

2:16 ↗ this month is just is the same in that

2:19 ↗ we're really really early in this

2:20 ↗ conversation, but um this early work,

2:23 ↗ these early discussions is really going

2:25 ↗ to help us uh frame and and draft at

2:28 ↗ least a a first sort of level of service

2:32 ↗ um take. Um our dance card is pretty

2:36 ↗ full as we uh we're going to have our

2:39 ↗ park tour in July. Uh we typically take

2:41 ↗ a recess in August. As we come back in

2:44 ↗ September, if you remember on our work

2:46 ↗ plan, we're going to be diving into the

2:48 ↗ municipal code, parks chapter of the

2:50 ↗ municipal code. We have an urban forest

2:52 ↗ management plan we want to uh or the I

2:54 ↗ should say the heritage tree program we

2:56 ↗ want to take a look at. We're going to

2:57 ↗ start master planning work on Tibis

2:59 ↗ Valley Park. All that to say this early

3:02 ↗ work you we're going to see this for a

3:04 ↗ while. We're t talking about these last

3:06 ↗ couple months. we're likely not going to

3:07 ↗ see this or plan to take any action on

3:10 ↗ this till 2026.

3:12 ↗ So, I just want to give that that

3:14 ↗ context. Um, but again, all this

3:16 ↗ discussion is really really helpful.

3:18 ↗ Robin tonight's going to facilitate the

3:20 ↗ discussion. Uh just to remind you what

3:22 ↗ we're really trying to do here is take a

3:25 ↗ shift from um just a quantitybased

3:29 ↗ level of service, an acres per 1000

3:32 ↗ approach to a more performance-based

3:35 ↗ level of service and and allow that

3:38 ↗ performance-based level of service. So

3:40 ↗ really um understanding how the park is

3:43 ↗ functioning um is it meeting its role uh

3:46 ↗ but also give some diversity and

3:48 ↗ understand that when we classify an open

3:51 ↗ space parcel that has a different

3:53 ↗ performance expectation than a community

3:55 ↗ park like Tibets Valley Park and so we

3:57 ↗ want to have some variance of criteria

4:01 ↗ or expectation of of those acres. So um

4:04 ↗ it's a it's a tricky thing to do. Um,

4:06 ↗ you'll see in the presentation tonight

4:08 ↗ some other neighboring cities have been

4:10 ↗ doing this. So, we want to sort of

4:12 ↗ present to you how they're doing their

4:13 ↗ approach. Again, get some feedback on

4:15 ↗ some draft criteria tonight. So, just

4:18 ↗ going a little deeper. We're going to

4:19 ↗ continue to focus on our three active

4:22 ↗ classifications because that was um your

4:24 ↗ all priority as we adopted the park

4:26 ↗ plan. So, community parks, neighborhood

4:28 ↗ parks, linear parks will be the focus

4:31 ↗ tonight. So, thank you for that intro.

4:33 ↗ Robin, please take it away. Thank you

4:35 ↗ very much. So, um, as Jeff said, we we

4:38 ↗ started to look at other cities and how

4:40 ↗ they were doing their level of service,

4:42 ↗ uh, based on that performance-based

4:44 ↗ strategy. And the first one I wanted to

4:47 ↗ talk about because we can look at these

4:49 ↗ and see if we want to adopt a question

4:52 ↗ at a high level. Yeah. Does a level of

4:54 ↗ service directly connect with like

4:56 ↗ funding? You know, so you generate a

5:00 ↗ certain amount of level of service or

5:01 ↗ certain amount of funding. Yeah. Yeah, a

5:04 ↗ variety of things. So, level of service

5:06 ↗ really helps us internally in terms of

5:08 ↗ telling the story to our own city

5:09 ↗ council and prioritizing our own capital

5:12 ↗ investments, but then exactly it helps

5:14 ↗ us um know what investments we should be

5:18 ↗ um looking to make uh both for for

5:21 ↗ grants um also helps us with things like

5:23 ↗ park impact fees, right? As we start

5:26 ↗ assessing future development, hey, what

5:29 ↗ is our level of service and how what are

5:31 ↗ we deficient in? Um and how do we get a

5:34 ↗ little more strategic in um either

5:37 ↗ lining and fees, grant dollars, um just

5:40 ↗ you know really any any priorities

5:42 ↗ within the system. Okay. Yeah. Level of

5:46 ↗ service is also something you'll see

5:50 ↗ it's existed for decades in park system

5:53 ↗ plans and parks and open space plans.

5:55 ↗ It's usually, you know, page 80 sort of

5:58 ↗ deep deep in the document, but it's

6:00 ↗ something that um grant funders as you

6:04 ↗ asked and and others really try and um

6:07 ↗ get an understanding of how are you

6:09 ↗ meeting your community's needs and uh

6:11 ↗ again not just to what I said early for

6:14 ↗ for many many decades the standard

6:17 ↗ bearer for level of service was acres

6:19 ↗ per 10,00 people. So, as long as you had

6:22 ↗ x number of acres per your population,

6:24 ↗ you've got a great park system. And as

6:26 ↗ professionals, we've realized, you know

6:28 ↗ what, it's not always true. You you have

6:30 ↗ an abundance of acres, but none of it's

6:32 ↗ developed or it's all in terrible shape,

6:35 ↗ all super tired. Um, and and that's not

6:39 ↗ necessarily telling the whole story.

6:43 ↗ Yeah. So, a lot a lot of park districts,

6:45 ↗ a lot of park systems are uh cities are

6:48 ↗ moving over to this new strategy of

6:50 ↗ performance-based. Um the acreage was

6:52 ↗ started I think by NRPA several years

6:55 ↗ ago and now they're recommending to go

6:57 ↗ to a more individualized approach. So,

6:59 ↗ that's why we want to move in that

7:01 ↗ direction and make sure our park system

7:03 ↗ really meets the needs of the community.

7:05 ↗ So, we looked at the first one we looked

7:07 ↗ at was Belleue and Bellev uses the

7:10 ↗ statewide comprehensive outdoor

7:11 ↗ recreation plan. It's called the SCORT

7:14 ↗ plan as a guideline. And much like we

7:18 ↗ have to submit every six years, we need

7:20 ↗ to submit that park plan update system

7:22 ↗ update. Every five years, Washington

7:25 ↗ state, particularly the RCO and the RCO

7:28 ↗ funding board uh updates their score

7:31 ↗ plan to satisfy the state's comprehens

7:34 ↗ comprehensive outdoor recreation plan.

7:36 ↗ So they kind of have to do the same

7:37 ↗ thing that we have to do in order to get

7:39 ↗ funding, but they get theirs from the

7:42 ↗ Federal Land and Water Conservation Fund

7:44 ↗ Act. So what Belleview did was kind of

7:46 ↗ use this as a guideline approach and

7:49 ↗ their metrics include individual active

7:52 ↗ participation, a percentage of the

7:54 ↗ population that participates in one or

7:56 ↗ more active outdoor activities, uh

7:59 ↗ public satisfaction, and walkable access

8:02 ↗ service area. So what Scorp does is

8:05 ↗ takes a look at all the amenities and

8:07 ↗ how active people can be with those

8:09 ↗ amenities and they come up with a a

8:12 ↗ scoring system rating typically one to

8:14 ↗ five based on that. So they'll look at

8:16 ↗ all the assets and then make that um

8:20 ↗ recommendation or or use that score. Uh

8:23 ↗ the whole goal it really is to make our

8:25 ↗ parks um more accessible for for equity

8:30 ↗ purposes, but also to get people

8:32 ↗ outdoors

8:34 ↗ um and get a healthier lifestyle going

8:37 ↗ within their city, within their

8:39 ↗ community, and really focusing on those

8:41 ↗ disadvantaged areas um to make sure that

8:43 ↗ parks are equitable. So, one of the good

8:46 ↗ benefits about using the score plan is

8:49 ↗ we could benchmark against statewide

8:51 ↗ standards and averages because you're

8:53 ↗ looking at the scoring the same way

8:55 ↗ every year. So, it's a nice way to gauge

8:57 ↗ where you are relative to other cities

8:59 ↗ within Washington state. One of the

9:02 ↗ tradeoffs as we have this discussion

9:04 ↗ after we go through these is um and we'd

9:06 ↗ need to do a little more research um and

9:08 ↗ and talk with Belleview further, but how

9:11 ↗ does this reflect park by park? Is this

9:13 ↗ an overall score or how do we again

9:16 ↗ differentiate

9:18 ↗ um you know crossroads park in Belleview

9:20 ↗ that's a community park right? How how

9:22 ↗ is that different than we own a park

9:25 ↗ which is you know an open space parcel

9:26 ↗ down on Lake Sanders. So we'd want to

9:30 ↗ better understand um does it give that

9:34 ↗ granular level of of focus so that we

9:37 ↗ can really um take a part by park look

9:41 ↗ and then they pull that into

9:42 ↗ implementation strategies

9:44 ↗ the three bullet points we waited

9:49 ↗ um I don't think so on this one because

9:53 ↗ there's one there's some access and

9:55 ↗ equity resource protection and

9:56 ↗ management

9:57 ↗ is part of the score, but they they

10:00 ↗ didn't include that necessarily in

10:02 ↗ theirs. We'd have to dig into that a

10:03 ↗ little more, I'm sure. See, we could see

10:06 ↗ them the details of their formula, but

10:08 ↗ it's a it's I think the the point uh

10:10 ↗ being made with Belleview is they took

10:12 ↗ this performance-based LOS approach and

10:14 ↗ blended it with this state

10:17 ↗ scoring system. Scorpion

10:20 ↗ kind of cracks me up, but um

10:24 ↗ yeah, so it's it's one way of looking at

10:26 ↗ it.

10:28 ↗ And Kirkland uses quite a different

10:31 ↗ strategy. They use a geo reference

10:33 ↗ amenity standards program or the grass

10:35 ↗ program where they're really looking

10:38 ↗ specifically and more exclusively about

10:42 ↗ the assets within the park and those are

10:45 ↗ cataloged and um they're looking at

10:48 ↗ scoring of amenities, the quality and

10:51 ↗ condition, the type, proximity and

10:54 ↗ connectivity.

10:55 ↗ uh they use a lot of GIS mapping uh with

10:58 ↗ a grasp system uh to visualize spatially

11:01 ↗ relative to other parks. Um that also

11:04 ↗ helps them bring demographics into the

11:06 ↗ mix as well um and seeing where a

11:09 ↗ majority of their community is using a

11:11 ↗ particular park. Uh it really supports a

11:13 ↗ lot of analysis and planning as well. Um

11:18 ↗ the benefit of this one is that it

11:19 ↗ offers a quantifiable and repeatable

11:21 ↗ method of analysis based on a datadriven

11:25 ↗ and decision-making process. Once you go

11:28 ↗ through it, it's kind of like we have

11:29 ↗ our cartraph that's that's getting set

11:31 ↗ up right now to catalog all our assets.

11:34 ↗ They're doing something similar to that.

11:37 ↗ And what is the GIS branding exactly?

11:41 ↗ So, the GIS is where they're actually

11:43 ↗ kind of geotagging specific amenities or

11:46 ↗ assets. Uh, it could be trails, it could

11:48 ↗ be a playground, it could be a bench, a

11:51 ↗ field, but they break it down a little

11:53 ↗ bit further. It's not just one athletic

11:55 ↗ or multi-use field. They'll break it

11:57 ↗ down specifically into softball or

11:59 ↗ soccer or um kind of create a more tuned

12:04 ↗ in system. This will kind of this

12:07 ↗ narrows the next city Kent a little bit.

12:09 ↗ I'm familiar with that one. Um and that

12:12 ↗ it really is age of amenities, condition

12:15 ↗ of amenities plays a really important

12:17 ↗ role in this metric, right? With with

12:19 ↗ that idea that hey, the older something

12:21 ↗ gets to the more you're having to

12:23 ↗ maintain it and the the benefit the the

12:26 ↗ function that it's serving to the

12:28 ↗ community is also beginning to diminish.

12:32 ↗ So really like this level of service

12:34 ↗ systems trying to track that and and

12:37 ↗ recognize that

12:41 ↗ question. Yeah, I can. Um so

12:45 ↗ uh two apps that I use a lot is uh WTA

12:49 ↗ trailblazers and all trails.

12:53 ↗ Does this track

12:55 ↗ usage of because like in Belleview

12:58 ↗ there's the botanical

13:01 ↗ gardens and then in Kirkland there are

13:05 ↗ other just attractions. Does it kind of

13:09 ↗ attract that usage or or you know

13:12 ↗ attraction to those

13:15 ↗ to those specific parks or any parks or

13:17 ↗ any trails. Um don't know how those two

13:21 ↗ cities do it. Um there's another piece

13:23 ↗ of technology that's part of the you're

13:25 ↗ going to see in any of these metrics and

13:27 ↗ we're going to talk about this later. we

13:28 ↗ can talk about it now is um usage is is

13:32 ↗ always been a really hard thing for park

13:35 ↗ systems to grasp of course right there's

13:37 ↗ no turn style there's no we don't have

13:39 ↗ staff doing clickers there's some

13:41 ↗ technology that's beginning to arrive um

13:45 ↗ at a public scale level um that allow us

13:49 ↗ to tap into right how people are using

13:53 ↗ this and um and any any of those any of

13:58 ↗ I'm on the reindeer trail. Yeah. Yeah.

14:03 ↗ I won't say this as a marketing pitch,

14:04 ↗ but Placer AI is one of these programs

14:08 ↗ that would allow cities, City of Kent

14:11 ↗ just purchased it a couple years ago.

14:13 ↗ Um, and you're able to um identify how

14:17 ↗ many people are using that specific

14:19 ↗ trail, how many people are using that

14:22 ↗ park. Um, it would allow us for do do

14:25 ↗ something like, hey, what what did

14:26 ↗ Reineer Trail usage look like before

14:28 ↗ Jacob? What does Reineer trail usage

14:31 ↗ look like now? Right. So, there are

14:34 ↗ there's some technologies that we're in

14:35 ↗ the midst of talking with administration

14:37 ↗ about, but as we make this jump uh to

14:40 ↗ level of service um utilizing some of

14:42 ↗ those tools could could really really be

14:44 ↗ helpful.

14:47 ↗ Yes. Curious. Thank you. Great question.

14:49 ↗ Yeah. And the advantage to those tools

14:51 ↗ is you can go back several years is my

14:54 ↗ understanding and pull data from that as

14:56 ↗ well. But so I think any of our criteria

14:58 ↗ or metrics or formulas when we start

15:01 ↗ thinking of usage we think it's a pretty

15:03 ↗ important metric. We would love to

15:05 ↗ become more savvy at being able to to

15:08 ↗ collect that. Yeah. Throughout the

15:10 ↗ system. Thank you. Yeah. And Kent digs

15:14 ↗ in a little bit deeper. They came up

15:17 ↗ with um an overall con park condition

15:20 ↗ score. They use a multiplier and then

15:23 ↗ they multiply that by the recreational

15:25 ↗ amenities to get a recreational value

15:28 ↗ for every park. And then what they do is

15:30 ↗ similar to what NRPA originally did is

15:34 ↗ they multiply that by Kim's population

15:36 ↗ divided by a thousand and that's how

15:38 ↗ they come up with their score for the

15:40 ↗ level of service. Um so really they're

15:42 ↗ focusing on the quality of the number of

15:45 ↗ amenities as well. Um this is really

15:48 ↗ beneficial for indicating the degree of

15:50 ↗ which current parks are performing to

15:52 ↗ their potential and it also allows them

15:56 ↗ um to look they also do a potential

15:58 ↗ recreational value. So they'll look at a

16:01 ↗ park say like Tibbitz Park and say okay

16:03 ↗ well here's what could be here so

16:05 ↗ therefore that's what it the potential

16:07 ↗ value of that park is. So that helps

16:09 ↗ again align with planning um you know

16:12 ↗ filling in gaps um and scoring the park

16:16 ↗ for future decisions

16:19 ↗ but it really shows yeah how much of the

16:20 ↗ PRV of undeveloped properties can add to

16:23 ↗ the park system. So they just include

16:25 ↗ another future layer onto their metrics.

16:28 ↗ Do all these communities have a park

16:30 ↗ board?

16:32 ↗ Most most have a park board or park

16:35 ↗ commission. Um I know Kent does.

16:39 ↗ I know Kirkland. I'm pretty certain

16:41 ↗ Belleview does. If you're asking about

16:43 ↗ these, but in general, I would say 90

16:47 ↗ plus% of the cities in in Puget Sound

16:51 ↗ area have a park board or park

16:53 ↗ commission. Yeah.

16:58 ↗ So if we kind of drop back into the 2024

17:01 ↗ park system plan update, uh we did a

17:04 ↗ baseline metrics that included access,

17:07 ↗ comfort and image, uh use activities and

17:10 ↗ socialability environmental

17:12 ↗ sustainability, and economic potential.

17:15 ↗ But again, when we did this, we realized

17:18 ↗ that we were comparing, say, a community

17:20 ↗ park to open space, and they're really

17:22 ↗ not apples down. So we want to be able

17:25 ↗ to potentially have core metrics and

17:27 ↗ then separate out specific metrics

17:29 ↗ depending on the classification of the

17:31 ↗ park.

17:34 ↗ So um we went ahead and decided what saw

17:38 ↗ or thought about what example core

17:40 ↗ metrics just based on our discussion

17:42 ↗ last time based on what we saw in the

17:45 ↗ practitioner plan update and kind of the

17:49 ↗ the common ground we found was

17:52 ↗ assessment

17:54 ↗ two uh how old are the amenities within

17:57 ↗ the park? Is the park safe and is the

18:00 ↗ park clean? We looked at number of

18:02 ↗ amenities. How many amenities are within

18:05 ↗ the park? And what are the different

18:06 ↗ amenities in the park? Um we don't

18:09 ↗ necessarily have to have the same

18:11 ↗ equipment or uh same recreation

18:14 ↗ facilities in every single park. We want

18:16 ↗ to be able to diversify those. Uh

18:19 ↗ accessibility. Is a park accessible for

18:21 ↗ for all ages and abilities? You know, we

18:24 ↗ talked a lot about connectivity and

18:26 ↗ access uh particularly for seniors and

18:28 ↗ for young kids. Um obviously

18:31 ↗ connectivity creeks to peaks. Uh does a

18:34 ↗ park provide connectivity to other

18:36 ↗ system assets or connections and number

18:39 ↗ of people using the park? Analysis of

18:42 ↗ resident participation rates. How many

18:44 ↗ are using the park? Uh what what

18:47 ↗ activities are they engaged in? Where

18:48 ↗ are they coming from? Like are are the

18:51 ↗ neighborhood parks being used by the

18:52 ↗ neighbors or are they be being used by

18:54 ↗ other people from other neighborhoods?

19:00 ↗ So for classification metrics for our

19:03 ↗ community park uh just based on our

19:05 ↗ discussion last time alone I just stop

19:08 ↗ for a sec. Um so as Robin's spelling

19:11 ↗ this out and maybe you are all following

19:13 ↗ along just to clarify as we began

19:16 ↗ thinking hey what could a draft formula

19:18 ↗ look like here for Isiqua. uh we we

19:21 ↗ started and what you're seeing tonight

19:23 ↗ is this idea of sort of two filters,

19:26 ↗ right? Every every park would go through

19:29 ↗ the sort of these core metrics and then

19:30 ↗ there would be these special

19:33 ↗ classification metrics within each type.

19:35 ↗ So

19:37 ↗ so for our community parks, we're

19:40 ↗ looking at event capacity. Uh how many

19:43 ↗ and what type of events can be held in

19:45 ↗ the park? that theoretically the

19:47 ↗ community parks are our largest parks

19:49 ↗ and able to hold uh more people, more

19:51 ↗ events, more activities. Uh looking at

19:54 ↗ programming capabilities, you know,

19:56 ↗ because we are a land constraint as we

19:59 ↗ keep saying uh how many activities can

20:01 ↗ we actually fit in one park um and are

20:05 ↗ we able to use those year round which I

20:07 ↗ think is critical and something that

20:09 ↗ we'll need to look at closer the

20:11 ↗ economic value. What is the revenue

20:13 ↗ benefit of the park programming? Uh we

20:16 ↗ want to look at multimodal access,

20:18 ↗ proximity to transit in particular for

20:21 ↗ community parks. Uh trail access,

20:24 ↗ sidewalks, bike path, multimodal. Uh how

20:28 ↗ are people actually connecting to and

20:29 ↗ getting to the parks? Uh one last metric

20:32 ↗ we could look at is our environmental

20:34 ↗ goals. Uh that's a lot of information

20:38 ↗ and and feedback we heard from the park

20:40 ↗ system plan update is that we do want to

20:42 ↗ be more environmentally conscious. We

20:44 ↗ want to be more resilient with our

20:45 ↗ parks. So, is there green infrastructure

20:47 ↗ in that park and how well is it doing?

20:50 ↗ And knowing moving forward as we design

20:52 ↗ parks, we're going to have to be

20:53 ↗ incorporating more green infrastructure

20:55 ↗ in it to handle um flood control,

20:58 ↗ mitigation, and other environmental

21:00 ↗ factors. Just understanding even within

21:03 ↗ our community park classification,

21:06 ↗ understanding really each one of our

21:08 ↗ community parks has a relationship to

21:11 ↗ the environment around it. um you Tibetz

21:14 ↗ Creek going through Tibets Valley Park

21:16 ↗ uh

21:18 ↗ Central Park with Grand Ridge sort of

21:20 ↗ all around it, right? So there's um we

21:24 ↗ would want to make sure there's this

21:26 ↗ understanding of um importance of

21:29 ↗ environmental

21:32 ↗ goals and and strategy even within our

21:35 ↗ active parks.

21:41 ↗ Okay, jumping over to our neighborhood

21:43 ↗ park. Uh potential metrics could be

21:46 ↗ again neighborhood attendance. How many

21:48 ↗ people from a 1 half mile radius use the

21:51 ↗ park? And that's our goal is that

21:53 ↗ everybody within a half mile should have

21:55 ↗ access to a park, be able to walk to a

21:58 ↗ park within half a mile. Uh we want to

22:00 ↗ look at safety of the park. That's

22:02 ↗ something that came up uh during our

22:04 ↗ last meeting and of course during the

22:06 ↗ the park system plan update was uh what

22:09 ↗ active impassities does I'm sorry safety

22:12 ↗ of the park um how safe does the park

22:15 ↗ feel? Um how sink is it at different

22:18 ↗ hours and for different ages or

22:20 ↗ different abilities.

22:22 ↗ Another one um accessibility. How many

22:25 ↗ people walk or ride to the park? Uh for

22:28 ↗ the most part neighborhood parks are

22:30 ↗ going to be more walkable. uh less

22:32 ↗ driving because usually there's less

22:34 ↗ spaces there. So, how do people get to

22:37 ↗ the park? Um what's their main mode of

22:40 ↗ transportation?

22:41 ↗ Uh one thing I heard last last uh

22:44 ↗ meeting was shade and comfort. Uh are

22:46 ↗ there shady and comfortable spots in the

22:49 ↗ park to sit and relax? We all know what

22:52 ↗ it feels like to be incredibly hot

22:54 ↗ outside where you can't get into any

22:56 ↗ shade.

22:57 ↗ So,

22:59 ↗ and to support, you know, our our canopy

23:02 ↗ coverage. Do we have enough shade and

23:04 ↗ trees in the parks? Which obviously then

23:07 ↗ lowers our temperature overall? Um, and

23:11 ↗ the last one, demographics of the park

23:14 ↗ users. Is the park satisfying the needs

23:16 ↗ of the demographics of the neighborhood?

23:19 ↗ And again, are we looking for

23:20 ↗ disadvantaged areas where we need to

23:23 ↗ increase the amount of uh amenities and

23:25 ↗ assets within that to fulfill that

23:28 ↗ neighborhood's needs? Is the safety of

23:30 ↗ the park? Is that where it sounds like a

23:33 ↗ passive uses? Is that where amenities

23:35 ↗ would go? Like picnic benches and like

23:37 ↗ is that where all that stuff? Yeah.

23:40 ↗ Right. Right. Different types of seating

23:43 ↗ um out in the open. you know, you're

23:45 ↗ you're looking at um

23:48 ↗ more design and style. Can you see into

23:51 ↗ the park? You know, is a is a landscape

23:54 ↗ design suitable for that area? The idea

23:58 ↗ lighting idea in this concept too is the

24:01 ↗ the core metrics would still be being

24:04 ↗ measured for neighborhood parks. So, age

24:06 ↗ of the age of the amenity, condition of

24:08 ↗ the amenity. Yeah.

24:11 ↗ Question. Yeah.

24:14 ↗ Are these listed in priority order? No,

24:19 ↗ I don't. Okay.

24:22 ↗ And that's something that we can, you

24:24 ↗ know, discuss as time goes on if we want

24:27 ↗ weight certain things differently than

24:29 ↗ Yeah. I mean, as I think of as I think

24:31 ↗ about this the safety of the park seems

24:37 ↗ seems frontloaded to me in terms of just

24:42 ↗ um

24:43 ↗ like if I don't think a park is safe,

24:46 ↗ I'm not going there. You know what I

24:47 ↗ mean? Um so

24:51 ↗ I'm you know I'm not trying to upset the

24:53 ↗ apple cart. I'm just I'm just curious if

24:57 ↗ there's if there's a if there's a way we

25:00 ↗ can

25:02 ↗ and you know it's probably a big

25:04 ↗ discussion about how it gets weighted

25:07 ↗ but but it leads to that that's a lot of

25:11 ↗ the the detailed work that is going to

25:13 ↗ be coming. You're right. These are not

25:15 ↗ these are not prioritized nor are they

25:17 ↗ weighted. Is that something that uh we

25:21 ↗ might want to consider doing if we're

25:23 ↗ creating our own formula? Yeah,

25:27 ↗ those will be discussions and decisions

25:29 ↗ to make right now. It's just a question.

25:31 ↗ I just No, it's really good. It's really

25:33 ↗ good. I think you know tonight I hope

25:35 ↗ what you're really beginning to grasp is

25:38 ↗ as we think of how our parks are

25:40 ↗ performing,

25:41 ↗ not every park is created equal. Right.

25:44 ↗ Right. Neighborhood parks really should

25:46 ↗ have a they have a distinct role that's

25:49 ↗ different than our community parks which

25:52 ↗ are different again than our open space

25:53 ↗ tracks.

25:57 ↗ There's value in us recognizing that and

26:00 ↗ realizing that in terms of how we're

26:03 ↗ asking how they're doing. Yeah.

26:07 ↗ Thank you.

26:12 ↗ And for our third one is our our linear

26:14 ↗ park. So example metrics could be

26:17 ↗ multiple neighborhood attendance. And a

26:20 ↗ linear park we think is located really

26:23 ↗ more in urban or commercial environment.

26:25 ↗ So it is going to be thinner. It is

26:27 ↗ going to be in a more urbanized area. So

26:30 ↗ think

26:32 ↗ you know rainer trail tuber trail. Great

26:34 ↗ example of a linear park.

26:37 ↗ So, how many people in neighborhoods

26:40 ↗ from within a half mile radius again uh

26:42 ↗ use the park? Uh we'll go back to safety

26:45 ↗ of the park. Uh how safe is the park for

26:48 ↗ a variety of user groups? Typically in

26:51 ↗ an urban area, you're going to have a

26:55 ↗ stronger mix maybe of demographics or

26:57 ↗ different people utilizing that park.

26:58 ↗ So, how is that is it feeling safe for

27:01 ↗ everybody there in different cultures?

27:04 ↗ Um amenity support. how many and what

27:07 ↗ type of seating is available. Again, if

27:09 ↗ you're in a more urban area, you're

27:11 ↗ going to have different types of

27:12 ↗ seating. Is that enough? Is it suitable

27:15 ↗ for the neighborhood and people that use

27:17 ↗ it? Um suitable for the design of the

27:20 ↗ park.

27:21 ↗ Um then we have trail or sidewalk width

27:24 ↗ because more than likely people will

27:26 ↗ access this linear park through a trail

27:29 ↗ or a sidewalk or multimodal path. Uh

27:31 ↗ what is the width of the trail within

27:33 ↗ the park? Um, is it multimodal capable?

27:37 ↗ Also, and the last one we were thinking

27:39 ↗ was connectivity to key destinations.

27:43 ↗ Is the park connected to key elements in

27:45 ↗ the neighborhood or the system, which

27:47 ↗ kind of ties back into creeks to peaks

27:50 ↗ as well, but again, in a more urbanized

27:52 ↗ area, is it tied to maybe the grocery

27:54 ↗ store? Can you stop by after the grocery

27:57 ↗ store, the movie theater, or just more

27:59 ↗ urban elements?

28:05 ↗ So we kind of took a first

28:09 ↗ a first shot at an example rating system

28:12 ↗ per classification. So we have our core

28:14 ↗ metrics that we would utilize throughout

28:17 ↗ all the classifications.

28:18 ↗ Uh we take we take our core metric score

28:21 ↗ combine it with the classification

28:23 ↗ metric score that we come with up with

28:26 ↗ to come up with a park overall park

28:29 ↗ score. We would then similar to Kent

28:31 ↗ maybe take that park score multiply it

28:34 ↗ by isqua's population and divide it by a

28:36 ↗ thousand to come up with our level of

28:38 ↗ service and I think our thoughts be fine

28:41 ↗ that where the isquas population is

28:43 ↗ going to change and vary. So as long as

28:46 ↗ we make sure our amenities are uh

28:49 ↗ keeping up with that change and change

28:52 ↗ in demographics maybe even um that would

28:56 ↗ be probably more accurate on a little

28:58 ↗ surface. Yeah. Bringing a population

29:00 ↗ into it also just understands scale and

29:03 ↗ and as as more people are living in

29:06 ↗ Isiqua right the same number of acres is

29:09 ↗ there's going to be a a burden that's

29:12 ↗ put on it

29:14 ↗ being cognizant of that a lot more man

29:17 ↗ Jane's question is spot on because

29:19 ↗ there's you know this is really really

29:21 ↗ high level right so the waiting the

29:26 ↗ prioritization within you know to get to

29:28 ↗ a core metric score and a classification

29:30 ↗ metric. So, we're not trying to have

29:31 ↗ that or or even model that tonight, but

29:35 ↗ this is just giving a a high level sense

29:37 ↗ of of how these two types of metrics

29:41 ↗ could could play together.

29:45 ↗ And then do we want to bring in a

29:47 ↗ weighted average for say creek or buffer

29:50 ↗ adjacencies like Tibbitz? You know, it's

29:53 ↗ a large park, but a lot of it is within

29:55 ↗ the buffer area. So that's going to

29:57 ↗ impact what we're capable of doing

29:59 ↗ within that park as well. So does that

30:01 ↗ need to be factored into our scoring or

30:04 ↗ a rating system or a metric in and of

30:06 ↗ itself

30:08 ↗ or is that environmental metric within

30:10 ↗ those classifications

30:12 ↗ recognizing hey

30:15 ↗ Tibbitz Valley Park is a community park

30:17 ↗ but it's also going to have a really

30:19 ↗ important environmental connection role

30:21 ↗ and an environmental stewardship role.

30:28 ↗ So you just want to open up this

30:30 ↗ discussion. I know that's a lot of

30:31 ↗ information to add all at once. So my

30:35 ↗ question so it's like I like the idea of

30:38 ↗ it. I think it makes sense really. The

30:40 ↗ two parts need to be judged by what they

30:41 ↗ intended to do and just globally doesn't

30:43 ↗ make sense. So I like this the structure

30:46 ↗ of my question especially since you

30:47 ↗ brought up the other towns is it doesn't

30:50 ↗ seem like they're doing it. Maybe they

30:52 ↗ are and that's just more you just give

30:54 ↗ us the broad data and so the question is

30:56 ↗ like if they aren't doing it why not is

30:59 ↗ it just for the simplicity of their

31:01 ↗ systems and if so

31:04 ↗ are we going to be making it so too

31:06 ↗ complex and thus unable to do it like

31:08 ↗ gathering this data in part likely is

31:10 ↗ going to be a big job whatever on a

31:13 ↗ regular basis stuff like that so is the

31:15 ↗ complexity we're doing this

31:18 ↗ you know too big and that's why other

31:20 ↗ people don't do it or they are they are

31:21 ↗ which is not great question. So when you

31:24 ↗ say other city you other than the three

31:26 ↗ that we showed is that what you're

31:27 ↗ saying they still seem to be I don't

31:30 ↗ know whether they you know like you

31:31 ↗ saying like how we split up the type of

31:33 ↗ parks and what they're doing like are

31:35 ↗ they doing that level of they they are

31:37 ↗ to varying degrees I know Kent is I

31:39 ↗ believe Kirland at Belleview is to some

31:42 ↗ degree their score again for various

31:44 ↗ types of parks we would need to drill in

31:46 ↗ you know that there's some complexity to

31:49 ↗ the formula you bring up a great point

31:51 ↗ Paul and it's something Robin and I

31:53 ↗ talked talked about as we even just had

31:55 ↗ this discussion tonight, we need to be

31:58 ↗ pragmatic and and really practical in

32:00 ↗ what is doable. And I think our goal is

32:04 ↗ to

32:06 ↗ um utilize be really smart about data to

32:09 ↗ see how our parks are truly performing,

32:11 ↗ but honestly

32:15 ↗ do it simply in in a simple enough way

32:17 ↗ that we can do it that it's repeatable

32:20 ↗ year after year.

32:22 ↗ um and not such a huge lift that boy

32:25 ↗ that's a neat looking formula but are

32:30 ↗ practice

32:33 ↗ all that stuff thank you thank you for

32:35 ↗ asking it because it's it's really

32:37 ↗ important we we need it to be practical

32:40 ↗ think question is adjacent to that one

32:42 ↗ and that's is there a way to like test

32:45 ↗ and learn into this like maybe take a

32:46 ↗ piece out versus saying like hey we're

32:49 ↗ not even going to actually action any of

32:50 ↗ this until 2026 six like are there any

32:52 ↗ pieces that we can take a small group

32:54 ↗ and learn now from like a little group

32:56 ↗ of parks or something?

32:58 ↗ It's a great great approach. And yes, I

33:01 ↗ think as as it it might feel like we're

33:04 ↗ about to go dark for a couple of months,

33:06 ↗ you're right. Before this comes back, I

33:08 ↗ think as this comes back with a draft,

33:10 ↗ we'll we'll want to sort of test it um

33:14 ↗ and be testing it and probably do a lot

33:16 ↗ more research on, you know, what what

33:19 ↗ are the true details of some of those

33:20 ↗ other cities

33:23 ↗ as well. But just pick one. Do you think

33:25 ↗ neighborhood parks are the easiest and

33:26 ↗ the most to say? pick a group of them

33:28 ↗ and see how it goes. Yeah. Exactly. Yep.

33:32 ↗ Yep. It's a great great approach. Great

33:35 ↗ idea. So, some of these I I love what

33:38 ↗ you're doing with this and I think it's,

33:41 ↗ you know, well written. A lot of thought

33:42 ↗ put into it. There are some of these

33:45 ↗ metrics that are objective,

33:49 ↗ some of them are quite subjective.

33:52 ↗ And so when you blend those two, it you

33:56 ↗ have to be very careful, right? Uh and I

33:59 ↗ I'm not sure exactly how you do that

34:02 ↗ here, but I see kind of a watch out

34:04 ↗ because of we're trying to blend those

34:06 ↗ two together.

34:08 ↗ Excuse me.

34:09 ↗ And you know you mentioned smart and

34:11 ↗ what popped to my mind was smart goals

34:13 ↗ from you know corporal specific

34:19 ↗ blending that kind of thinking into this

34:23 ↗ uh making like in a smart goal format

34:26 ↗ and if you're going to blend subjective

34:28 ↗ and objective data you know having it

34:32 ↗ spelled out pretty clearly how you're

34:34 ↗ going to do that uh because it it can

34:37 ↗ get messy. That's a great point, Tim.

34:39 ↗ And and honestly, until we I think as we

34:44 ↗ explore the how and see how other cities

34:47 ↗ are doing it. I I I mentioned Doug the

34:50 ↗ Scorp does have a a satisfaction

34:53 ↗ element, right? So there it's a

34:55 ↗ community survey that hey, how do you

34:56 ↗ like this park? And that's exactly what

34:59 ↗ you're saying. That's that's a real

35:01 ↗ subjective thing. And you know do we

35:04 ↗ take that approach or some cities have

35:07 ↗ you know another less subjective way to

35:09 ↗ say hey how do people how are people

35:11 ↗ liking the park is how are they you are

35:13 ↗ they using the park right so something

35:15 ↗ like placer AI telling us are you know

35:18 ↗ is this a place that people are

35:20 ↗ gathering and and

35:23 ↗ if you're going to ask questions like

35:24 ↗ that again you want to be very careful

35:27 ↗ how you phrase question you know it has

35:30 ↗ to be neutral it's not like, "Hey, did

35:32 ↗ you have a great time?" Or, "Was there

35:33 ↗ anything wrong?" You know, and you can

35:36 ↗ get very different responses depending

35:38 ↗ how he questions. So, oh, you how did

35:40 ↗ you like this really great park? Yeah, I

35:43 ↗ think

35:44 ↗ really practical things like there was a

35:47 ↗ question of is the park clean? And when

35:52 ↗ you know I used to have two dogs and I

35:55 ↗ would take my dogs for a walk and they'd

35:57 ↗ be like where can I

36:00 ↗ sorry where where can I dispose of you

36:05 ↗ know what my dog did and very often

36:09 ↗ it was like I have to bring it home and

36:12 ↗ there's no trash cans because there were

36:14 ↗ no trash cans and there were there was

36:16 ↗ nothing there was nothing to keep the

36:18 ↗ park clean that was

36:22 ↗ that didn't have any um you know

36:25 ↗ barriers to it, you know. Um, so

36:33 ↗ interesting to see

36:36 ↗ you just presented this group with like

36:38 ↗ three parks in the same

36:42 ↗ classification

36:44 ↗ and we gave our scores

36:47 ↗ what we think that is

36:50 ↗ for park and then see what pops out of

36:52 ↗ this formula. Yeah, that's a that's a

36:54 ↗ great

36:56 ↗ sort of parameter working a little

36:59 ↗ different other stuff. I'd love to just

37:02 ↗ see what you're saying.

37:06 ↗ Okay. Central Park, Tivz Valley Park,

37:08 ↗ Confluence Park, all our community

37:10 ↗ parks. What what I'm hearing you say is,

37:13 ↗ hey, we have a draft formula. We're

37:15 ↗ going to, you know, do this, but we're

37:17 ↗ just going to ask you anecdotally,

37:19 ↗ right? Yeah, you know, how do you think

37:21 ↗ those three are performing and see how

37:29 ↗ at least you if you even did something

37:32 ↗ at least get

37:34 ↗ understand what the output would look

37:35 ↗ like, right? And are these outputs

37:38 ↗ making sense to what we are experiencing

37:41 ↗ and what residents are experiencing?

37:44 ↗ And I think that's what brought us here,

37:46 ↗ right? I mean, I you know, we adopted a

37:48 ↗ a park system plan that again dipped our

37:50 ↗ toe in that level of service, but it was

37:53 ↗ pretty clear in our conversations,

37:55 ↗ right, that hey, a universal performance

37:58 ↗ goal for community parks and open space

38:01 ↗ isn't doesn't make sense. It it it it

38:04 ↗ doesn't doesn't register with what we're

38:06 ↗ experiencing.

38:10 ↗ And even like what brings you to Tippets

38:14 ↗ Park or Central Park or Rain trail. I

38:18 ↗ mean, so for me, what brings me to

38:19 ↗ Rainer Trail every day is this stupid

38:22 ↗ thing tells me it's time to walk. You

38:25 ↗ haven't taken your walk and and like I I

38:29 ↗ know that if I go from my condo to

38:33 ↗ the end of, you know, uh the end of

38:37 ↗ Rainer Trail on Turn around and come

38:39 ↗ back, I'll get a little check mark on my

38:43 ↗ on this. And so it's like what brings

38:45 ↗ you to that and then

38:49 ↗ what brings you to that space and

38:54 ↗ what might bring you to a different

38:56 ↗ space or you know whatever it might be

38:59 ↗ but I mean I think

39:02 ↗ and what makes you want to stay in that

39:04 ↗ space versus just right utilize that or

39:06 ↗ pass through. Yeah.

39:09 ↗ Well, that starts playing into park

39:10 ↗ planning and how we what amenities we

39:12 ↗ should have at every park. And I I

39:16 ↗ can soap box my my own personal belief

39:18 ↗ being in the parks profession. I think

39:19 ↗ every neighborhood park and community

39:21 ↗ park should have a loop trail because

39:23 ↗ again many people are there to walk or

39:25 ↗ even a sports complex should have a loop

39:27 ↗ trail because how many parents

39:29 ↗ while kids are practicing

39:33 ↗ car I'm going to go off the loop

39:37 ↗ that's this stupid thing is

39:43 ↗ it feels good when it buzzes it does but

39:46 ↗ it's also like my

39:50 ↗ So, one thing on here just kind of two

39:53 ↗ things under the neighborhood park.

39:55 ↗ Shade and comfort.

39:57 ↗ That's great for a few months out of the

39:59 ↗ year, but a lot of the months out of the

40:01 ↗ year, I love it if there's a spot where

40:03 ↗ I'm going to park in the sun. So,

40:05 ↗ sunlight.

40:09 ↗ Yeah. So, I I'm just wondering if you

40:12 ↗ could

40:13 ↗ contour that into something that uh can

40:17 ↗ be seasonally appropriate.

40:20 ↗ Um comfort kind of does comfort. Yeah,

40:23 ↗ like comfort is implying differently

40:25 ↗ different.

40:27 ↗ You're right. You don't want to say,

40:28 ↗ "Hey, we checked the shady box or

40:30 ↗ there's a ton of shade, but this is so

40:32 ↗ dreary and doesn't feel safe." Doesn't

40:35 ↗ feel safe or comfort and shelter.

40:37 ↗ shelter being either from the sun or the

40:39 ↗ rain. Yeah. The sun or the rain and and

40:42 ↗ safety. I would just maintain I'm sure

40:44 ↗ you're going to drill down at this

40:46 ↗ deeper, but you know that that means

40:47 ↗ different things to different people.

40:48 ↗ You know, are the monkey bars in working

40:51 ↗ order? You know, is are the swing seats

40:55 ↗ stable or but then it could be personal

40:57 ↗ safety. Sense of safety. Yeah. So it's

41:01 ↗ because the lighting is the lighting

41:03 ↗ lighting.

41:05 ↗ It's darker than it is. And when you

41:08 ↗ talk about like the safety plays into

41:10 ↗ like even on the park, you talk about

41:12 ↗ the pads and the trails. Well, there's a

41:15 ↗ pothole in the middle of the trail that

41:17 ↗ affects safety.

41:19 ↗ Yeah. So

41:21 ↗ again just

41:24 ↗ defining it a little bit uh what you

41:27 ↗ mean with the terms, but I think what

41:29 ↗ you mean is personal safety, you know,

41:32 ↗ you know, so you feel like there's not

41:35 ↗ any threat to your person while they're

41:37 ↗ there, but it can be interpreted

41:40 ↗ differently right?

41:42 ↗ You're right. It gets it gets complex,

41:44 ↗ but again, we want to make this simple,

41:46 ↗ but you're right in understanding safe

41:49 ↗ as we're measuring maintenance of an

41:52 ↗ amenity that there's a there's a safety

41:56 ↗ gradient to that as we're scoring. Hey,

41:58 ↗ is this a really old trail that hasn't

42:00 ↗ been resurfaced in a while? Is this an

42:02 ↗ old playground that is we're we're

42:05 ↗ repairing it? You know, our our pattern

42:07 ↗ we're visiting that thing every two

42:09 ↗ months, right? I mean, that that you

42:11 ↗ know, as we score the age of it, we're

42:14 ↗ we're sort of probably bringing a safety

42:17 ↗ component into it, but you're right.

42:20 ↗ Then there's this. So, that's that's

42:23 ↗ qualitative, right? I mean, that's I

42:25 ↗ should say quantitative. We can measure

42:26 ↗ that, right? The subjective,

42:31 ↗ do residents feel safe in this park, I

42:34 ↗ would say though that's

42:36 ↗ qualitative, that's really really

42:38 ↗ important to the performance of a park

42:40 ↗ because if someone doesn't feel safe

42:41 ↗ there, right, they're not going to use

42:43 ↗ it. And if the people that are I mean

42:46 ↗ I've often said this about many parks,

42:47 ↗ right that

42:49 ↗ if the people there doing unsanctioned

42:52 ↗ recreation feel safe um and people that

42:55 ↗ want to do sanctioned recreation don't

42:56 ↗ feel safe that you're losing that park.

42:59 ↗ You you need to have the reverse. It's

43:01 ↗ those that are there to recreate and do

43:03 ↗ sanctioned uses. You want them feeling

43:05 ↗ really safe. And if the person wanting

43:07 ↗ to do unsanctioned uses doesn't feel

43:09 ↗ safe or feel like they can do it, you're

43:11 ↗ you're you're on the right track.

43:16 ↗ Can I ask a question in regard to that?

43:19 ↗ Um,

43:22 ↗ I'm wondering if there is like a list of

43:26 ↗ four or five parks in Esqua

43:30 ↗ that you might,

43:33 ↗ if y'all don't want to do this, it's

43:34 ↗ totally fine. But,

43:37 ↗ um, the parks that I'm aware of are

43:39 ↗ Central Park and, uh, Reineer Trail.

43:44 ↗ Mhm.

43:46 ↗ I I feel like I would be much better

43:50 ↗ equipped to have

43:53 ↗ an opinion about the parks in Isiqua if

43:57 ↗ I had like a list of

44:00 ↗ four or five parks that represent

44:04 ↗ 80% or 90% of the parks in Isqua

44:09 ↗ that I could go to and visit and just be

44:12 ↗ like,

44:14 ↗ you know, are it it everything that

44:16 ↗ we've been talking about, but I really I

44:19 ↗ mean this is my first term on the parks

44:23 ↗ board. So like I would just so

44:25 ↗ appreciate homework

44:28 ↗ to go and visit parks

44:32 ↗ again maybe four, five, six, whatever

44:35 ↗ that represent 80 or 90% of the parks in

44:38 ↗ Isiqua that I could then come to these

44:40 ↗ meetings with with a greater

44:44 ↗ understanding of safety, amenities,

44:48 ↗ you know, accessibility, shape and

44:50 ↗ comfort, all that kind of thing. So I

44:53 ↗ don't know if that I don't know that

44:57 ↗ happy to equip people. Make sure you

44:58 ↗ have access to a park system plan.

45:02 ↗ Just four or five parks. Go see them. Go

45:05 ↗ experience them and then I could come

45:07 ↗ back with a greater sense cuz like I I'm

45:10 ↗ a creature of habit. You know my watch

45:13 ↗ tells me go take a walk. I'm like okay

45:14 ↗ I'm gonna go say hi to Jacob two trees.

45:17 ↗ and you know I have a path that I go on

45:19 ↗ and it's my path and you know that would

45:24 ↗ be greatly appreciated

45:27 ↗ in July

45:29 ↗ folks up for that but I just under

45:31 ↗ director's report we'll also be talking

45:33 ↗ about our park tour we'll be doing in

45:34 ↗ July together so our our July meeting

45:37 ↗ and we're going to go out and to a

45:40 ↗ handful of parks but um as I said last

45:42 ↗ month happy to schedule a one-on-one

45:45 ↗ little park Sure.

45:52 ↗ Yeah. Yeah. No, that's that's super

45:54 ↗ help. So, again, all good. I'm not

45:56 ↗ trying to sign you all up for

45:57 ↗ everything, but I just like that would

46:01 ↗ just help me to, you know,

46:04 ↗ more familiar with everything. Yeah,

46:06 ↗ sure. Again, creature of habit. I just

46:09 ↗ It just as you on board, start here,

46:11 ↗ right? Start parks and trails. Parks

46:14 ↗ Community Services. Yeah. say every day.

46:17 ↗ Yeah.

46:19 ↗ Appreciate it. Thank you.

46:26 ↗ Well, thank you. Any any thoughts on

46:29 ↗ some of those rating systems or

46:31 ↗ different cities? Um,

46:33 ↗ again, we've got we've got more research

46:35 ↗ to do.

46:39 ↗ I think in general the uh the issue of

46:42 ↗ scale is

46:45 ↗ you know is

46:47 ↗ really relevant. I think it as much as

46:50 ↗ we can evaluate the effectiveness of a

46:55 ↗ park based on how close it is to

47:00 ↗ residents and to the greater community.

47:04 ↗ I I as I was going through the pre-work,

47:08 ↗ I was like, that makes a lot of sense to

47:10 ↗ be able to have a multiplier of

47:14 ↗ the population.

47:23 ↗ I like one. Okay.

47:27 ↗ Can't like has too many numbers and

47:29 ↗ multipliers and you can get this is

47:32 ↗ pretty complex. Yeah. Of the three, it's

47:35 ↗ anytime there's that many mathematical

47:37 ↗ manipulations, bigger city, bigger

47:40 ↗ staff, false precision. Yeah. Yeah. I

47:44 ↗ really like um getting

47:49 ↗ I just think it's so important because

47:51 ↗ you we could all be sitting here

47:52 ↗ thinking that Tibet is the best park

47:55 ↗ ever and it's just amazing. And nobody

47:57 ↗ in this room thinks Well,

48:01 ↗ not yet. Not yet.

48:06 ↗ [Laughter]

48:10 ↗ I'm just like a softball.

48:13 ↗ There you go. I just feel I cannot I

48:17 ↗ cannot stress it enough to make it as

48:20 ↗ simple as you can. I I I just because if

48:23 ↗ not we're just going to get you know

48:24 ↗ data paralysis and then you're going to

48:27 ↗ be focusing too much on gathering data

48:29 ↗ because honestly I look at the two of

48:31 ↗ you we're at I mean you have great you

48:34 ↗ all know I bet you you could all you you

48:38 ↗ could probably right now figure out or

48:41 ↗ provide a score to every single one of

48:43 ↗ our parks without any of this data just

48:46 ↗ because you just know so much about

48:47 ↗ what's going on. I think Bill just keep

48:50 ↗ it as simple as possible and and and I

48:52 ↗ think public satisfaction

48:56 ↗ and weight it pretty highly

48:59 ↗ believe it or not those are the key

49:01 ↗ people it needs to you know in order for

49:05 ↗ as long as we get it good enough. So I

49:07 ↗ think the thing with community surveys

49:10 ↗ is who takes them and who doesn't

49:11 ↗ exactly response right. Yeah. So and and

49:14 ↗ and guess what? So that's on us, right?

49:17 ↗ So we, you know, we need to do our fair

49:19 ↗ share to help, you know, grab as many

49:21 ↗ people that take to take the survey as

49:23 ↗ possible and try to give those

49:25 ↗ opportunities, you know, adaptive or I

49:29 ↗ don't know. Um, you know, concerts on

49:33 ↗ the green, everyone's in a good mood.

49:35 ↗ Let's get a survey.

49:41 ↗ There's there's a real there's just

49:43 ↗ But that's really data really.

49:50 ↗ Then we bring equity council to figure

49:52 ↗ out for sure to do that. Yes. Equity

49:54 ↗ piece, right? Because you do want to get

49:58 ↗ just trying to get a big balance of, you

50:01 ↗ know, everybody could measure. Yeah.

50:04 ↗ So I I agree about the simplicity

50:08 ↗ uh piece, but it's

50:10 ↗ as long as it's not simplistic,

50:13 ↗ right? So as long as it's we've gone

50:16 ↗ through like the mer

50:20 ↗ um we understand it deeply enough

50:24 ↗ to to not jump to conclusions.

50:28 ↗ And I'm sure that's excuse me.

50:33 ↗ It's a balance, right? We don't want to

50:35 ↗ be oversimplified that it giving us

50:38 ↗ value. Yeah. That it's it's

50:41 ↗ it's robust enough that it's it's it's

50:44 ↗ truly giving us a good representation of

50:47 ↗ of what's happening, but done in a

50:49 ↗ simple enough way that that the size of

50:52 ↗ staff in the we're able to manage it.

50:55 ↗ Yeah. Not burdened by it. Thank you.

50:58 ↗ Here. Here.

51:01 ↗ Just a note, it does look like

51:06 ↗ Diana's hand was up. No, Hannah just

51:08 ↗ joined. Oh, hi Hannah.

51:11 ↗ Oh, I I didn't raise

51:17 ↗ hand. I just said join. Okay. All good.

51:23 ↗ Okay. Okay. Well, well, thank you. Um,

51:26 ↗ all again helpful information. Again,

51:29 ↗ we're not we're we're really early in

51:31 ↗ this work. Uh, these discussions really

51:33 ↗ really help us and in some ways thank

51:36 ↗ you. I I if they're affirmation to me,

51:38 ↗ Robin, that we can we're going to strive

51:40 ↗ to keep it simple. Yes. Um to be as as

51:44 ↗ complete as possible, but um as as

51:48 ↗ simple as possible as well. So

51:52 ↗ really helpful. And Marlene, thank you.

51:54 ↗ I really like that idea of, you know,

51:56 ↗ when you see this again, we want to we

51:59 ↗ want to kind of bring a couple of test

52:01 ↗ runs right here. We sampled this with

52:04 ↗ all of our neighborhood parks and here's

52:07 ↗ so what what it produces.

52:12 ↗ Cool. Thank you.

52:19 ↗ It's looking good down there.

52:22 ↗ It is. Yeah. What's that? Oh, pedestrian

52:25 ↗ park. The Yeah,

52:28 ↗ [Music]

52:30 ↗ I had no idea that space was so big. You

52:33 ↗ couldn't have told it. I know. I'm

52:36 ↗ trying to tell you. It's like this is

52:38 ↗ wider than be like this would be better

52:41 ↗ if you drew it to scale. People would be

52:43 ↗ like,

52:47 ↗ "Do we have an ETA when they'll be

52:49 ↗ done?"

52:50 ↗ I I've read it somewhere and I can't

52:52 ↗ remember. I'm sorry. We're we're looking

52:54 ↗ at the first two weeks in August. So,

52:56 ↗ we're getting we're getting super

52:58 ↗ excited. We're getting so close. So,

53:00 ↗ yeah, we dropped the water feature

53:02 ↗ Monday night. This coming Monday. Okay.

53:05 ↗ Drop it delicately with a crane. Not

53:07 ↗ drop.

53:11 ↗ Yes. So, once that's in, we can and the

53:13 ↗ electrical is all in. Um we can hook

53:15 ↗ everything and start testing it.

53:18 ↗ Landscape is all done. Shelter's almost

53:19 ↗ done. So, we're getting super close.

53:21 ↗ Yeah, senior center will probably be

53:22 ↗ open a little bit before pedestrian

53:24 ↗ park. We anticipate doing a soft opening

53:27 ↗ much like we did with Hillside. We're

53:29 ↗ not going to wait for a ribbon cutting.

53:30 ↗ We're really going to let the community

53:31 ↗ start using it and then um have a ribbon

53:34 ↗ cutting sometime in September.

53:38 ↗ Yeah. Yeah. Every day is different every

53:40 ↗ day out there.

53:45 ↗ All right. So, next item, Chair Olsen,

53:48 ↗ we're going to jump to uh next

53:52 ↗ weeks to peaks, three trails.

53:55 ↗ So, we've been working with our

53:58 ↗ consultant um and based on our ideas

54:00 ↗ from I believe May's meeting, our joint

54:02 ↗ board meeting, uh tweaked April, April,

54:06 ↗ uh tweaked the design a little bit. Uh

54:09 ↗ so, we wanted to bring that back to

54:11 ↗ everybody. See if I can

54:15 ↗ get rid of this somehow.

54:19 ↗ Um, so the preferred option that we all

54:22 ↗ looked at, we looked at three options

54:23 ↗ last time and everyone seemed to prefer

54:26 ↗ the first option. I just want to walk

54:29 ↗ you through the deck one more time. So

54:32 ↗ this for I think is everyone familiar

54:34 ↗ with with the tree creeks?

54:38 ↗ Yeah. I don't know. So, this is the

54:41 ↗ intersection. If I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna

54:43 ↗ play White. Can I play Vite? Yeah. Can I

54:46 ↗ try to? Um, Gilman Boulevard.

54:51 ↗ So, this is where Gilman and Juniper

54:55 ↗ joins Gilman. It's a relatively new

54:57 ↗ stoplight uh that was put in. Um, it was

55:01 ↗ put in with what's called a scramble

55:03 ↗ intersection, though not really signed

55:05 ↗ all that well. meaning there is a

55:07 ↗ there's a component when all traffic

55:10 ↗ stops and it's just pedestrians and

55:12 ↗ pedestrians can cross either way. A key

55:14 ↗ reason for that was this intersection

55:16 ↗ with Gilman is a key trail intersection

55:19 ↗ and that this is the beginning of the

55:21 ↗ Reineer Trail. So as you head down

55:24 ↗ Reineer Avenue, Confluence Park um down

55:27 ↗ here heading towards Oldtown. This is

55:29 ↗ the end or beginning depending on which

55:32 ↗ way you're going of the East Lake Samish

55:33 ↗ Trail. um King County's rail system. So,

55:36 ↗ a really really important trail

55:38 ↗ connection that

55:40 ↗ um over the decades those two trails

55:43 ↗ never really had as strong a

55:44 ↗ relationship as they really could have.

55:47 ↗ So, a part of this project is really

55:49 ↗ strengthening,

55:51 ↗ hey, East Lake Sam Trail didn't end. You

55:54 ↗ keep going, keep going into Oldtown, go

55:56 ↗ to Squawk Mountain, go visit Jacob, etc.

55:58 ↗ And then there's also the Juniper Trail,

56:02 ↗ which is a really key east west trail.

56:04 ↗ And as we start thinking long term about

56:06 ↗ east west connections, that trail is

56:09 ↗ really, really important to help set

56:12 ↗ just as a reminder of white snow.

56:16 ↗ Thank you.

56:19 ↗ I saw that

56:25 ↗ snow where I belong.

56:31 ↗ So, one of the key elements though that

56:32 ↗ we wanted to emphasize for the scramble

56:35 ↗ was emphasizing safety going across the

56:38 ↗ scramble because right now with with

56:39 ↗ just the white lines, it's a little

56:41 ↗ difficult to see what you're supposed to

56:42 ↗ do. The signs are way up high or they're

56:45 ↗ on the the light poles. So, what we

56:47 ↗ wanted to do is emphasize the crossing

56:50 ↗ and the main crossing from East Lake Sam

56:53 ↗ down to Reineer Trail and then over to

56:55 ↗ Juniper and from Juniper over to the

56:57 ↗ Reineer Trail with uh similar stripes

57:00 ↗ that you see crosswalks right now except

57:03 ↗ we're color them blue. And I think we've

57:05 ↗ gotten the the sign off from public

57:07 ↗ works to do it. It's just a matter of

57:08 ↗ scheduling and timing on that because

57:10 ↗ there's only one subcontractor I think

57:12 ↗ in the area that does it. So, we need to

57:14 ↗ get on their schedule. And the concept

57:16 ↗ with blue again was trying to just tell

57:19 ↗ the creeks to peaks just as a

57:25 ↗ So this is our southern corner or

57:30 ↗ leading into the rainier trail coming

57:32 ↗ across from East Lake Sam. So, one of

57:35 ↗ the comments was to put the mountain

57:38 ↗ more in perspective. So, if you're

57:40 ↗ standing there as a pedestrian or a

57:42 ↗ bicyclist, you could actually see it a

57:45 ↗ little bit better. So, he did force that

57:47 ↗ perspective. Uh Tim, you had the comment

57:50 ↗ of coloring some of the the curbs the

57:54 ↗ same color so that matches. So, we we

57:56 ↗ thought we'd be able to do that over

57:58 ↗ here by the bike lane and then coming

58:01 ↗ around the corner. I like that idea. it

58:03 ↗ really pops it out a little bit more for

58:05 ↗ vehicles as well.

58:08 ↗ Um, and then the the view on the right

58:10 ↗ is coming from, let's see, we're going

58:13 ↗ across from Reineer over to Juniper and

58:16 ↗ just emphasizing

58:18 ↗ larger pieces of the juniper bush and

58:20 ↗ the berries, the juniper trees.

58:24 ↗ Another piece of another component of

58:26 ↗ this art piece is hopefully some traffic

58:28 ↗ calming, right? So I mean with a lot

58:30 ↗ happening in terms of pedestrians and

58:32 ↗ all these trails again Gilman's really

58:34 ↗ important we don't want to disrupt flow

58:36 ↗ of Gilman but if this has a sense of

58:39 ↗ okay I I need to kind of pay attention

58:43 ↗ um as a driver that's

58:45 ↗ it's important

58:47 ↗ and

58:49 ↗ it

58:51 ↗ like it's great to

58:53 ↗ like if you're driving there you're like

58:56 ↗ oh I could take a

59:01 ↗ I mean it draws attention to right

59:03 ↗ there's parking.

59:05 ↗ Yeah. Yeah.

59:08 ↗ Um, and this is leading over to Lake Sam

59:12 ↗ along East Lake Sam. Sam's trail. Yeah.

59:17 ↗ The the lake and some of the vegetation,

59:19 ↗ some of the isser

59:24 ↗ to that would be uh going down Gilman on

59:29 ↗ the

59:31 ↗ be the east side, northeast side side.

59:33 ↗ So Gilman Lofts, if you know that new

59:36 ↗ building,

59:38 ↗ what's that?

59:39 ↗ Right. Exactly. Precisely. Then pulling

59:43 ↗ more more mountain the mountain theme

59:45 ↗ and a little bit more of the lake, but

59:47 ↗ really focusing more on the Alps and

59:49 ↗ some of the vegetation there that you

59:50 ↗ see.

59:55 ↗ Question. Yeah.

59:59 ↗ Hey. Yeah. So, um I was wondering if

1:00:03 ↗ there is any plan to color code those

1:00:06 ↗ road crossings or add anyformational

1:00:12 ↗ element to

1:00:16 ↗ this uh painting because

1:00:19 ↗ um I'm very familiar with the area. I

1:00:21 ↗ know which trails I need to take to get

1:00:24 ↗ where. But um if I were like a visitor

1:00:26 ↗ from out of town, there's very little

1:00:29 ↗ signage currently. Kind of like there's

1:00:31 ↗ these wooden signposts and there's a

1:00:33 ↗ leaf line kiosk that shows the leaf line

1:00:35 ↗ trail system. But for example, if I were

1:00:37 ↗ cycling in Seattle, um I would see signs

1:00:41 ↗ at every major intersection showing the

1:00:43 ↗ distance to like the next um landmark or

1:00:48 ↗ intersection. So I was wondering if

1:00:49 ↗ there's any plans to add that type of

1:00:51 ↗ information.

1:00:54 ↗ Yeah, Dan. Yes, there is. So, we do have

1:00:56 ↗ some of our wayfinding ballards there at

1:00:59 ↗ the intersection. We'd want to, you

1:01:02 ↗ know, reinforce those, see if those need

1:01:04 ↗ to be moved so that they're they're more

1:01:06 ↗ prominent. Um, we we've also talked

1:01:10 ↗ about the idea of a kiosk on the Reineer

1:01:12 ↗ Trail side, much like you know, King

1:01:15 ↗ County has for East Lake Sam, sort of

1:01:17 ↗ referencing their regional trail system,

1:01:20 ↗ but having something on the Reineer

1:01:21 ↗ Trail side that really reinforces the

1:01:24 ↗ the city trail system. Um, and so people

1:01:28 ↗ have a

1:01:30 ↗ a better sense of of where they might

1:01:33 ↗ adventure and explore. But um yeah, the

1:01:36 ↗ thing about the kiosks is like if I'm on

1:01:39 ↗ my bike, I usually have to stop to kind

1:01:43 ↗ of read and take in the kiosk map versus

1:01:47 ↗ intersection signage just kind of points

1:01:50 ↗ in a direction and I can see the next

1:01:52 ↗ three closest landmarks, for example,

1:01:54 ↗ and they'll say something like, I don't

1:01:55 ↗ know, like 1.2 two miles or um yeah, so

1:02:00 ↗ it would be nice to have information

1:02:02 ↗ that can kind of be consumed by cyclists

1:02:04 ↗ without coming to a full stop. Yeah,

1:02:06 ↗ that's really good really good feedback.

1:02:08 ↗ So even yeah, our ballards maybe having

1:02:11 ↗ some mileage markers

1:02:14 ↗ noted.

1:02:22 ↗ Yes. So, we just want to get your

1:02:24 ↗ feedback on these changes and see if

1:02:26 ↗ they you like that you would like to

1:02:27 ↗ tweak it anymore.

1:02:30 ↗ Okay.

1:02:32 ↗ Sounds good.

1:02:34 ↗ I'm too lazy to ride a bike. So, I

1:02:36 ↗ appreciate her feedback.

1:02:38 ↗ That's great feedback, Dan. You're

1:02:40 ↗ right. We want this functional, right? I

1:02:42 ↗ mean, so we're really trying to,

1:02:45 ↗ again, I'm I'm sorry I missed the joint

1:02:47 ↗ meeting with the arts commission, but um

1:02:50 ↗ you know, art plays a really key role in

1:02:52 ↗ placemaking, but we want the art to be

1:02:54 ↗ functional, right? And and I think the

1:02:57 ↗ opportunity we have to really uh I think

1:03:00 ↗ emphasize this connection um between

1:03:03 ↗ especially the Reineer Trail and the

1:03:04 ↗ East Lakes Meis Trail. um do it in an

1:03:07 ↗ artistic way, bring some whimsy to

1:03:09 ↗ Gilman Boulevard, but also um we want it

1:03:13 ↗ to be really really functional and

1:03:14 ↗ something that supports

1:03:16 ↗ more people understanding that the

1:03:18 ↗ Reineer Trail doesn't stop. Um, it just

1:03:21 ↗ becomes it just becomes something else

1:03:23 ↗ and you can continue to to explore

1:03:28 ↗ and potentially the blue stripes being a

1:03:30 ↗ catalyst for using those elsewhere as

1:03:32 ↗ well down the Rainer Trail and that

1:03:36 ↗ together throughout the creative

1:03:37 ↗ district, right? Even as the Rainer

1:03:39 ↗ Trail has crossings, um, how do we do

1:03:42 ↗ this? Um, if you want to talk next steps

1:03:45 ↗ at all as you and Amy are thinking next

1:03:48 ↗ steps. Well, now that we have agreement

1:03:51 ↗ on the design, we'll work with Jake

1:03:53 ↗ about um scheduling a time. We're

1:03:57 ↗ thinking in August. Uh we have to

1:03:59 ↗ coordinate some closures of the trail,

1:04:01 ↗ the rerouting of people, but to be able

1:04:04 ↗ he needs to order the paint about a

1:04:06 ↗ month ahead of time. So, we want to we

1:04:08 ↗ have this little window right now that

1:04:10 ↗ we can do that. So, we're hoping that in

1:04:11 ↗ August we can get get him started, get

1:04:13 ↗ him painting. I see. Yeah. So this

1:04:17 ↗ ostensively will be complete this this

1:04:19 ↗ summer. Great. So we'll go

1:04:25 ↗ another new new art piece. Request from

1:04:28 ↗ you guys. I know super busy, but when

1:04:31 ↗ things like this do happen like project

1:04:33 ↗ launches, if you guys could let us know

1:04:35 ↗ that would be awesome. Absolutely. Yes.

1:04:37 ↗ Waiting for like another board meeting.

1:04:39 ↗ So Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have a

1:04:43 ↗ project page for it also on the web.

1:04:45 ↗ Great point. It's sending you all just a

1:04:47 ↗ little Hey. Yep. Yep. Check it out. Y

1:05:01 ↗ Thank you. That's it from our end. So

1:05:04 ↗ many fun things happening.

1:05:09 ↗ Bite by bite. All right. Well, that is

1:05:13 ↗ our regular business.

1:05:16 ↗ Moving right along.

1:05:18 ↗ Director's report.

1:05:21 ↗ Is it me first?

1:05:24 ↗ Change. 5A. Let the chair go. 5A.

1:05:31 ↗ Uh, yeah, a couple couple of updates.

1:05:33 ↗ Um,

1:05:35 ↗ I'm gonna update you on Mike Seam State

1:05:37 ↗ Park. Before I do that though, I'm going

1:05:39 ↗ to pass them out. Um, concerts on the

1:05:41 ↗ green if you haven't seen the the

1:05:43 ↗ posters around town. Please feel free to

1:05:45 ↗ take one. Um, or check online, but let

1:05:50 ↗ your friends know, your neighbors know.

1:05:52 ↗ Next Tuesday night will be the first

1:05:54 ↗ concert um at Community Center Green.

1:05:57 ↗ Um, really good mix of of artists this

1:06:00 ↗ year. Um, if you love your classic 80s

1:06:04 ↗ or you love your yacht rock or you love

1:06:06 ↗ your Taylor Swift, actually a little

1:06:08 ↗ Taylor Swift cover band uh wraps it up.

1:06:12 ↗ Chicago. So, the goal of these is is

1:06:15 ↗ bringing some diversity of music, but

1:06:17 ↗ also just realizing

1:06:20 ↗ uh fun summer sounds is what what people

1:06:22 ↗ love to to come and and

1:06:25 ↗ enjoy.

1:06:28 ↗ So, that's concerts. Um here we go into

1:06:31 ↗ summer. Uh Lake Sam State Park. Uh thank

1:06:34 ↗ you all uh for the feedback and

1:06:37 ↗ conversation we had last month. Um a lot

1:06:39 ↗ has been happening in this last month.

1:06:41 ↗ If you remember the the next night I was

1:06:43 ↗ um going with staff. We were uh having a

1:06:46 ↗ conversation with our city council

1:06:48 ↗ committee. Uh really really good

1:06:50 ↗ discussion there as well. um some some

1:06:52 ↗ really good feedback and support from

1:06:54 ↗ council for us to continue to pursue

1:06:56 ↗ that uh partnership with Lakes Sam State

1:06:59 ↗ Park. If you remember uh this was the

1:07:02 ↗ discussion on with the loss um or the

1:07:05 ↗ termination of Isqua soccer club in

1:07:08 ↗ their maintenance agreement of the

1:07:09 ↗ soccer fields. State parks has asked us

1:07:12 ↗ if we the city would consider

1:07:14 ↗ maintenance and management um on a

1:07:16 ↗ short-term scale uh with potential

1:07:19 ↗ long-term use. Um so um really strong

1:07:23 ↗ support from city council in that. Um we

1:07:27 ↗ um have had a couple of continued

1:07:29 ↗ conversations with state parks. We are

1:07:31 ↗ now in the in the midst of drafting an

1:07:35 ↗ agreement. Um if you remember in our

1:07:37 ↗ discussions, we've proposed doing an

1:07:39 ↗ 18-month agreement. Uh that's how we'll

1:07:42 ↗ frame this. that will take us through uh

1:07:45 ↗ the end of 2026 which coincides really

1:07:48 ↗ nicely with our city bianual budget

1:07:50 ↗ process uh which could really help us um

1:07:54 ↗ sort of learn from these 18 months and

1:07:56 ↗ then uh should there be longer term um

1:07:59 ↗ agreement uh we'll be that much more

1:08:01 ↗ informed as we go into our 2728 budget

1:08:05 ↗ process. So, times up really well. State

1:08:08 ↗ Park supports that. Um, it times up well

1:08:11 ↗ with their, if you remember, I I

1:08:12 ↗ mentioned their management plan update.

1:08:14 ↗ They're updating their state park

1:08:16 ↗ management plan for Lake Sam State Park,

1:08:18 ↗ and they have some really, really

1:08:20 ↗ important questions they need to to

1:08:22 ↗ answer and and explore in terms of the

1:08:24 ↗ role of athletic fields um in Lake Sam

1:08:27 ↗ State Park. Uh there'll be some public

1:08:29 ↗ engagement that they're going to be

1:08:31 ↗ doing as part of that management plan

1:08:32 ↗ update. Uh so it's important that they

1:08:35 ↗ have time in that 18 months to um sort

1:08:38 ↗ of answer that question. Um what else

1:08:41 ↗ we've been doing um as we've uh been

1:08:44 ↗ furthering our conversation with state

1:08:45 ↗ parks is we wanted to get a better sense

1:08:47 ↗ from the community on what usage and

1:08:49 ↗ need and interest would be. Uh so we

1:08:52 ↗ hosted um a couple of community

1:08:54 ↗ meetings. We had a um sort of a site

1:08:57 ↗ visit that we invited um cricket groups

1:09:00 ↗ and lacrosse groups and soccer groups to

1:09:02 ↗ come uh see the fields, check them out,

1:09:05 ↗ have a little bit of Q&A. So that was

1:09:07 ↗ extremely well attended um a couple

1:09:09 ↗ weeks ago. Uh we then last week, last

1:09:12 ↗ Monday, um hosted a online sort of teams

1:09:16 ↗ chat. Again, not seeking formal field

1:09:18 ↗ requests, but getting a really, really

1:09:21 ↗ more honed in idea of what interests are

1:09:25 ↗ within each of these sports groups.

1:09:26 ↗ There's multiple sports associations

1:09:28 ↗ within each of those groups. And um also

1:09:31 ↗ has given us a chance to manage

1:09:33 ↗ expectations and making sure all these

1:09:35 ↗ groups know, hey, as we consider these

1:09:38 ↗ fields for the very first time in their

1:09:40 ↗ history to be multi-use, um not

1:09:42 ↗ everyone's going to get their full wish.

1:09:44 ↗ and and how do we really want to balance

1:09:47 ↗ in an equitable way uh use so um really

1:09:50 ↗ really supportive feedback from those

1:09:52 ↗ groups. So um everything is looking um

1:09:56 ↗ on track. Uh we should be getting a

1:09:59 ↗ beginnings of a draft um interlocal

1:10:01 ↗ agreement uh from state parks. Um our

1:10:05 ↗ goal what we've shared with state parks

1:10:06 ↗ is we would really like to be begin

1:10:08 ↗ scheduling fields um in August. Um so uh

1:10:12 ↗ fall season this could really really

1:10:14 ↗ help us um in terms of um really

1:10:17 ↗ balancing our community field needs. So

1:10:21 ↗ um thank you again for that discussion

1:10:23 ↗ we had last month but um things are are

1:10:25 ↗ moving nicely in that regard.

1:10:28 ↗ Um last item I had for an update. I did

1:10:32 ↗ have one. Um

1:10:34 ↗ oh park tour. Hey we talked about the

1:10:37 ↗ park tour last month too, didn't we? Um

1:10:39 ↗ get ready. buckle up. Um uh July, uh

1:10:43 ↗ meeting will be a park tour. We'll have

1:10:45 ↗ more details coming. What we'll plan on

1:10:48 ↗ doing is meeting in a centralized

1:10:49 ↗ location where we can all jump in a

1:10:51 ↗ vehicle. Um based on your your feedback,

1:10:54 ↗ uh we thought we'd sort of do a little

1:10:57 ↗ bit of both. We're looking ahead what

1:10:59 ↗ some of our next projects are and

1:11:01 ↗ community engagement is. So going and

1:11:03 ↗ spending some time at Timis Valley Park

1:11:05 ↗ um talking through that heading up to

1:11:08 ↗ Central Park um and in particular pad 2

1:11:11 ↗ which is the two baseball fields uh that

1:11:14 ↗ is a high priority project with some

1:11:16 ↗ community engagement coming so spending

1:11:18 ↗ time at those two. Um also east um east

1:11:23 ↗ sunset trail head um make sure I get the

1:11:26 ↗ name right is sort of in between those

1:11:27 ↗ two parks. So, stopping there, talk

1:11:29 ↗ about that, the importance of that

1:11:30 ↗ project and what that trail head really

1:11:32 ↗ represents as our gateway to West Tiger

1:11:34 ↗ Mountain. Um, getting a thumbs up there.

1:11:37 ↗ And then, um, ending our tour with sort

1:11:41 ↗ of a look, an excited look at what a a

1:11:44 ↗ project starts to look like as it ends

1:11:46 ↗ its nears its completion. So, having a a

1:11:49 ↗ tour of pedestrian park um, in Senior

1:11:51 ↗ Center Plaza as we'll probably be right

1:11:54 ↗ on the verge of beginning to to uh, open

1:11:57 ↗ those up. So, that's the makings of the

1:12:00 ↗ tour uh that we're going to shoot for.

1:12:03 ↗ I'm seeing some thumbs up. You like it?

1:12:06 ↗ Sounds great. And again, invitations

1:12:08 ↗ open. Uh Jane, Jeff, Diana, Hannah, any

1:12:12 ↗ of our new members, if you want to just

1:12:14 ↗ have an Martha, anyone if you want to

1:12:16 ↗ have sort of a more in-depth individual

1:12:18 ↗ tour that feels more like a windshield

1:12:21 ↗ uh rapid fire, hey, let's look at as

1:12:23 ↗ much as the park system as possible, let

1:12:25 ↗ us know and we'll try and get um get

1:12:27 ↗ that scheduled. be happy to happy to do

1:12:30 ↗ what?

1:12:34 ↗ Doing what? The

1:12:37 ↗ that would be our that'll be our so the

1:12:40 ↗ park tour will be our July park board

1:12:42 ↗ meeting. Okay. On the 28th on the 20.

1:12:46 ↗ Yeah. The

1:12:48 ↗ 28.

1:12:53 ↗ I think it's the third. Yeah. 28th. July

1:12:55 ↗ 28th. July 28th.

1:12:59 ↗ Yes. Yes. So, we'll get Yeah, we'll get

1:13:02 ↗ the senior center bus. We'll all pile in

1:13:04 ↗ and we'll do we'll do that tour all

1:13:06 ↗ together. Yeah. Yeah. For those that

1:13:09 ↗ haven't done it before, last time we did

1:13:10 ↗ it, they bring the van and everybody

1:13:13 ↗ gets on drinks.

1:13:21 ↗ That's a very different tour.

1:13:24 ↗ [Music]

1:13:27 ↗ Yeah, that's different,

1:13:31 ↗ which conflicts with Yes, it does. So,

1:13:35 ↗ some of us might need to, you know, scan

1:13:37 ↗ it five minutes to seven. Totally

1:13:40 ↗ understand. I'll probably make my way

1:13:42 ↗ down there, too. So yeah, Martha's

1:13:43 ↗ mentioning the July 1st event that I

1:13:45 ↗ said to all of you, please if you're

1:13:47 ↗ interested in going to that new uh

1:13:49 ↗ forest convening at Confluence Park from

1:13:52 ↗ 5 to 7

1:13:54 ↗ exactly or 5:30 5:30 to 7:30. You're

1:13:57 ↗ right. There is a 30 minute overlap. So

1:14:01 ↗ teach. Anyways, we'll

1:14:04 ↗ welcome welcome to the department. Trust

1:14:06 ↗ me, any given night, we've got multiple

1:14:08 ↗ things happening.

1:14:11 ↗ summertime especially.

1:14:16 ↗ Yeah. So, thank you. It's my director's

1:14:18 ↗ report.

1:14:20 ↗ Um, next up is the youth chairperson's

1:14:23 ↗ report.

1:14:29 ↗ Yeah. So, um I know every board just

1:14:32 ↗ went through their recruitment and

1:14:34 ↗ selection process. Uh, so I would

1:14:36 ↗ imagine uh with when fall comes around,

1:14:39 ↗ we'll have a

1:14:41 ↗ a new a new youth rep or two. Um, I

1:14:45 ↗ guess for my inaugural chairperson's

1:14:47 ↗ report, uh, I don't have a whole lot of

1:14:49 ↗ call. the July 1st event, the Barack

1:14:51 ↗ Confluence. Um, just a couple anecdotal

1:14:55 ↗ pieces I thought I'd share, which is

1:14:56 ↗ pretty cool, is is a little over a month

1:14:59 ↗ ago now, I think, but my son, who's

1:15:01 ↗ eight, was down at Timoth Valley Park

1:15:02 ↗ and was picking up some trash and

1:15:03 ↗ putting trash can. And the park ranger

1:15:06 ↗ came by and gave him a little pin, said

1:15:08 ↗ like, "Thank you so much for like

1:15:10 ↗ helping our spa parks and it like made

1:15:13 ↗ his day." and he wears the pin like

1:15:15 ↗ every other day like to school. He's

1:15:17 ↗ wearing it today. So like really cool

1:15:19 ↗ shout out to the parks rangers and that

1:15:22 ↗ that's Alex Alex Anderson. Really cool

1:15:24 ↗ shout out

1:15:27 ↗ boys day.

1:15:28 ↗ So, um, and then just again, uh, thank

1:15:32 ↗ you for to to your team and the parks

1:15:34 ↗ team as as softball's gotten going and

1:15:38 ↗ adult softball and all these other

1:15:39 ↗ leagues as we get going as I've been

1:15:40 ↗ seeing a lot of your team out in the

1:15:43 ↗ spaces. That's just great to have great

1:15:45 ↗ to have out there. So, thank you. And

1:15:48 ↗ then, yeah, extend welcome as well if

1:15:51 ↗ anyone wants to go on a random park tour

1:15:53 ↗ with me. I happen to walk you through

1:15:55 ↗ the parks. I think I said it before, but

1:15:57 ↗ I'm at least one school partners.

1:16:01 ↗ Happy to share my experiences.

1:16:04 ↗ Um, is there any other business that

1:16:08 ↗ [Music]

1:16:12 ↗ I need to officially call this? Uh, our

1:16:15 ↗ next meeting is July 20th. The tour we

1:16:18 ↗ just discussed that. And with no further

1:16:21 ↗ business, this meeting is a

1:16:32 ↗ Thanks everybody.

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