Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, July 10, 2014 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

packet pp.2

Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · May 22, 2014 Planning Policy Commission · Jun 12, 2014

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Staff report:

Planning Policy Commission About Contacts Created in 1983, this commission serves as a policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides guidance and direction for Issaquah’s Staff Liaison future growth through continued review and improvement to the Trish Heinonen, Planning City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related land use Manager documents. Email

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of June 24, 2014

packet pp.3–6

Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · May 22, 2014 Planning Policy Commission · Jun 12, 2014

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION MINUTES

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update: Parks, Recreation, Trails and Open Space Element

Trish Heinonen, Policy Planning Manager · packet pp.7–14

Topics: Land UseParks

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Staff report:

BACKGROUND

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0:18 ↗ good evening and welcome to the July

0:20 ↗ 10th meeting of the planning policy

0:22 ↗ commission thank you all for being here

0:25 ↗ and the first thing on our agenda is the

0:27 ↗ approval of the minutes as everybody

0:30 ↗ read the

0:31 ↗ minutes and I have a motion to

0:35 ↗ approve any

0:37 ↗ discussion all those in favor say I

0:42 ↗ opposed thank you tonight we're going

0:45 ↗ continue our discussion on the comp plan

0:47 ↗ and tonight we're going to talk about

0:49 ↗ parks recreation trails and open

0:54 ↗ space so Trish please enlighten

0:58 ↗ us and again we're going to do this in

1:01 ↗ the format that we've been doing the

1:02 ↗ other elements where the um I have your

1:05 ↗ name tag I didn't see you sneak in I

1:07 ↗ have your name tag um anyway um the um

1:12 ↗ we're going to do this like we've done

1:13 ↗ the other elements where we do the the

1:15 ↗ really brief overview from a high level

1:17 ↗ to get you sort of feeling good about

1:19 ↗ what the purpose of the park element how

1:21 ↗ it relates to other pieces of the plan

1:23 ↗ and the bigger Park element and then

1:26 ↗ once you we have all your comments we'll

1:28 ↗ put that into the the bigger update and

1:30 ↗ it'll come back to you later on in the

1:32 ↗ year for your review so um it's sort of

1:34 ↗ one of those two-step processes where

1:37 ↗ you look at the goals first and the

1:38 ↗ vision then you'll look at it in a

1:40 ↗ medior version and then um hopefully

1:42 ↗ before the end of the year we'll have

1:43 ↗ the big public hearing on all of the the

1:46 ↗ finalized

1:47 ↗ elements and my little

1:51 ↗ clicker well okay then this might be a

1:54 ↗ really short presentation okay well that

1:56 ↗ works too

1:58 ↗ um the we talked a little bit before the

2:01 ↗ cameras started rolling um in that that

2:03 ↗ the city has different plans for

2:05 ↗ different purposes and one of them is

2:07 ↗ the big parks recreation trails and open

2:11 ↗ space plan that is um governed by

2:16 ↗ the There It Is by the um parks

2:20 ↗ department and they do a super good job

2:22 ↗ with the parks plan the big parks plan

2:25 ↗ I'll talk about there's a big parks Plan

2:27 ↗ and there's our comprehensive plan

2:29 ↗ element so I'm going to be using those

2:32 ↗ two terms and if I ever am getting

2:33 ↗ confusing just say wait Trish we're

2:36 ↗ confused on which one you're talking

2:37 ↗ about the big plan is what the parks

2:40 ↗ department and the city use for getting

2:43 ↗ Grants open space grants recreation

2:46 ↗ grants Wildlife Corridor I mean they

2:49 ↗ there's a whole plethora of places that

2:51 ↗ they can get money and we've been very

2:53 ↗ successful in the past to get grant

2:55 ↗ money for our Parks and Recreation

2:57 ↗ programs and um the one of the the

2:59 ↗ criteria to have a plan that is um

3:03 ↗ allowable to get the grants is you have

3:05 ↗ to update it every five years and part

3:08 ↗ of the update is this huge public

3:10 ↗ Outreach to the community on um how are

3:12 ↗ we doing um what kinds of facilities do

3:15 ↗ you want what kind of classes do you

3:16 ↗ want are we providing the right kinds of

3:18 ↗ this and that it's a huge Outreach that

3:21 ↗ the parks department does with phone

3:23 ↗ calls and surveys and all sorts of

3:24 ↗ things and they do that for the big plan

3:28 ↗ as part of the requirements for for the

3:30 ↗ grant to be um able to get the grants we

3:33 ↗ don't do that for the element the lucky

3:35 ↗ part for us for the element is that the

3:37 ↗ parks department and this the community

3:39 ↗ that they work with and the Parks Board

3:41 ↗ go through this huge updating process of

3:44 ↗ the inventory of the facilities the

3:46 ↗ survey as I mentioned and then they have

3:49 ↗ a really detailed plan and we take the

3:53 ↗ policy pieces of that for our element so

3:56 ↗ our element is fairly short and sweet

3:59 ↗ compared to the huge volume that the

4:02 ↗ parks department uses to go out for

4:04 ↗ grant funding so they're very different

4:07 ↗ but they're connected they're not in uh

4:10 ↗ they're not contradictory in any way of

4:11 ↗ course because they couldn't be but they

4:13 ↗ are um separate but complimentary you

4:17 ↗ have a question uh no you answered it

4:19 ↗ with the complimentary portion yeah and

4:22 ↗ um the growth management says that um

4:27 ↗ that it's a real short what the what the

4:30 ↗ element has to have in it it has to talk

4:32 ↗ about um what facilities do we need in

4:34 ↗ the 10-year growth projections what do

4:37 ↗ we need to have sort of getting ready to

4:40 ↗ fund or be thinking about funding in the

4:42 ↗ next 10 years when all the you know when

4:43 ↗ the people are coming we need to figure

4:46 ↗ that out and we need to um evaluate how

4:49 ↗ we're going to um coordinate with other

4:51 ↗ jurisdictions or groups to provide those

4:54 ↗ services and facilities and open spaces

4:56 ↗ for our community so it's pretty basic

4:59 ↗ what we have to provide for the element

5:01 ↗ the park Department though the first one

5:03 ↗ the big plan um they have to do a lot

5:07 ↗ more specific kinds of inventorying as I

5:09 ↗ said um community outreach for their

5:12 ↗ requirements the piece that's sort of

5:14 ↗ been um a tough one this year is uh we

5:18 ↗ are supposed to be hiring a Parks

5:19 ↗ planner to help with this effort because

5:22 ↗ we lost our past PL park pass Parks

5:25 ↗ planner that's too many pce and so um

5:28 ↗ we've gone out i' I've heard from our

5:30 ↗ director that we're supposed to get

5:31 ↗ somebody in

5:33 ↗ August so this hasn't started yet so

5:36 ↗ this is sort of Trish's translation on

5:39 ↗ the existing Park element and what the

5:41 ↗ goals and Visions could be are they are

5:44 ↗ now just because I know so many of you

5:47 ↗ are new that I thought this would be a

5:48 ↗ good chance for you to sort of dive in

5:51 ↗ gently to what we have on the books now

5:53 ↗ so that when we talk about how it might

5:55 ↗ change or how it may evolve for the next

5:57 ↗ population growth um

6:00 ↗ spurt that you'll already be versed in

6:02 ↗ what's on the books now and what the

6:04 ↗ vision and the the goals are now so

6:06 ↗ that's sort of sort of like an

6:08 ↗ educational background launching tonight

6:10 ↗ and then when the parks department is up

6:13 ↗ to speed and has their new Planner on

6:14 ↗ board um we can have sort of their

6:17 ↗ version of how they're moving forward um

6:19 ↗ when that time

6:24 ↗ comes um this is um what we've been

6:27 ↗ working from all along is that a goal is

6:29 ↗ the aim you know that that big picture

6:32 ↗ that you want the policy is sort of how

6:34 ↗ do you how do you get there and

6:35 ↗ implementation is actually how it

6:37 ↗ happens how it it it it it appears in

6:41 ↗ front of us and I still have trouble

6:42 ↗ with this because to me they're all kind

6:45 ↗ of similar so I put this up as much for

6:47 ↗ me as for reminding us all um why are

6:51 ↗ parks important I mean this is one of

6:53 ↗ the easiest ones in the whole in our

6:55 ↗ whole comp plan to me it's like the mom

6:57 ↗ and apple pie of the whole I mean no one

6:59 ↗ ever has a complaint with you know other

7:02 ↗ than we don't have enough that's the

7:03 ↗ only complaint really we hear most

7:05 ↗ people are you know if you're having a

7:06 ↗ bad day go visit the parks department

7:08 ↗ because just their world is just a happy

7:11 ↗ fun world over there it's um you know

7:14 ↗ they've got open space they're outside

7:16 ↗ they're playing they've got happy kids

7:17 ↗ they've got programs they've got I mean

7:20 ↗ it's just a really great thing and isqua

7:22 ↗ has just a fabulous fabulous set of

7:24 ↗ programs in fact in the 19 the 2008

7:28 ↗ benchmarks that kingy did um isqua had

7:31 ↗ the second highest in King County per

7:32 ↗ capita open space and for a little town

7:35 ↗ you know if you look around we have a

7:37 ↗ lot of public open space for as many

7:39 ↗ people as we have and we're really proud

7:40 ↗ of that that we've um you know we're on

7:42 ↗ the edge of the urban boundary and we've

7:44 ↗ made it really clear that the Open Space

7:46 ↗ is really important to us even though

7:47 ↗ we're right on the line we still want

7:49 ↗ the open space in the community not just

7:51 ↗ you know ringing around the community so

7:53 ↗ we're really proud of

7:54 ↗ that um we the parks provide not only

7:58 ↗ the beauty but inv Environmental

7:59 ↗ Protection and it does help us to buffer

8:02 ↗ that rural area that's just outside our

8:07 ↗ border stop that the vision that we have

8:11 ↗ in the existing plan uh I sort of um

8:14 ↗ sort of paraphrased and kind of mushed

8:16 ↗ it around a little bit um we want to

8:19 ↗ continue to provide the highquality safe

8:22 ↗ accessible um areas that we have we want

8:24 ↗ to link them through green belt and

8:26 ↗ Greenways and preserve the natural

8:28 ↗ resources that we have obviously The

8:30 ↗ Creeks um are so important to us for the

8:32 ↗ salmon and um our Hatchery and also the

8:35 ↗ forested

8:37 ↗ hillsides um as we grow um we have no

8:41 ↗ net loss in there of parks I think

8:42 ↗ that's important that the bigger we are

8:44 ↗ we want to be sure that we continue to

8:46 ↗ provide Parks and Recreation and trails

8:48 ↗ for those that are coming and not to

8:50 ↗ lose anything that we have now and to to

8:53 ↗ keep being that beautiful city that

8:55 ↗ people think of when they think of isqua

8:57 ↗ with you know Gilman Boulevard and

8:59 ↗ um just the the beautiful landscaped

9:02 ↗ areas that we have in open

9:08 ↗ space um this is another little summary

9:11 ↗ of the GMA requirements that it's

9:13 ↗ consistent with the capital facility

9:15 ↗ plan which is actually how we fund

9:17 ↗ things how we fund the parks and wreck

9:20 ↗ um pieces and also that we have a a

9:23 ↗ demand for at least 10 years that we

9:25 ↗ have that figured out in the plan and

9:27 ↗ evaluate what we have now and how we

9:29 ↗ would get it using um our other partners

9:31 ↗ like the school district the state and

9:33 ↗ the county um to make sure that we're

9:36 ↗ doing everything we can to provide the

9:38 ↗ services and

9:40 ↗ Facilities now the first one and again I

9:43 ↗ have in the in the the top piece in

9:46 ↗ italics what the section would address

9:48 ↗ because when I looked at the goal they

9:51 ↗ didn't seem to be big enough until I

9:52 ↗ looked through the plan to to the

9:55 ↗ existing element to see what all was in

9:57 ↗ this one the non net loss and this talks

9:59 ↗ about the growth projections it talks

10:02 ↗ about um how we would get the land and

10:05 ↗ the de you know that some of the parks

10:07 ↗ would come through developers and

10:08 ↗ development some would come from City

10:10 ↗ purchasing it through bonds or other

10:12 ↗ ways of of getting money and how to make

10:14 ↗ sure that we're using the parks and

10:16 ↗ Facilities most efficiently by you know

10:19 ↗ using like this helping you know the

10:21 ↗ school district we can use theirs and

10:23 ↗ you know using King County and sort of

10:25 ↗ everybody working together to make sure

10:27 ↗ that we're using everything that we can

10:28 ↗ use use as efficiently as possible Trish

10:31 ↗ mhm isn't that really two goals what

10:35 ↗ what the Nonet loss

10:37 ↗ yeah um it could be I was thinking that

10:41 ↗ it's you don't lose what you have and

10:42 ↗ you make sure that you keep acquiring it

10:44 ↗ as you go I understand that but to me

10:46 ↗ that to me it would be uh it's really

10:49 ↗ important that no net loss okay as as uh

10:53 ↗ new buildings come in and and their

10:56 ↗ requirements of putting in parks that we

10:58 ↗ don't um uh take advantage of the parks

11:01 ↗ that there you know so we need the non

11:02 ↗ net loss in there but I think I look at

11:06 ↗ it as two different goals you're just

11:08 ↗ combining the two and it sort of to me

11:11 ↗ it it doesn't make it as clear it

11:14 ↗ doesn't make it as important by having

11:16 ↗ two goals as just me okay so the one

11:18 ↗ would be no net loss and the other one

11:20 ↗ would be to make sure we in increase

11:22 ↗ them as we grow yeah okay does that work

11:26 ↗ for folks that and that works and um no

11:30 ↗ net non net loss is that a defined term

11:34 ↗ in the GMA as far as um that's one of

11:37 ↗ ours okay so so how are we defining that

11:40 ↗ is that um percentage of population

11:43 ↗ versus square footage or is that um

11:46 ↗ current square footage um it's a good

11:49 ↗ one we it started with um we added a

11:53 ↗ policy I guess it was a while ago for no

11:55 ↗ net loss of Landscaping on Gilman

11:57 ↗ Boulevard and then it um because we

12:00 ↗ always talked about that but it was

12:02 ↗ never written anywhere so the council

12:04 ↗ adopted a policy and then every time

12:06 ↗ Public Works it was usually Public Works

12:09 ↗ would come in for a new left turn

12:11 ↗ queue we would say but you have to put

12:14 ↗ the trees somewhere else if you're going

12:16 ↗ to cut them down or move the landscaping

12:17 ↗ for the new Left Turn queue it's got to

12:19 ↗ go somewhere else so it it made the

12:21 ↗ council go so it was actually square

12:24 ↗ footage so if you cut out this part of

12:27 ↗ the left hand you know like b lombardis

12:28 ↗ or where ever you had to put the trees

12:30 ↗ somewhere else along Gman bouevard so

12:32 ↗ there wouldn't be so there'd be no net

12:33 ↗ loss I think that's the the parks it's

12:36 ↗ the same way that if we need to expand a

12:37 ↗ road or expand a RightWay or whatever

12:40 ↗ that that land or that something would

12:42 ↗ go in another Parker or in another place

12:44 ↗ far as I know we haven't had to deal

12:46 ↗ with that yet because because nobody's

12:47 ↗ come in to to get rid of anything or to

12:51 ↗ pave over anything so we haven't had to

12:54 ↗ to do the math yet and figure out where

12:55 ↗ it would go okay but you're right we

12:57 ↗ probably should contemplate if something

12:59 ↗ does come in what how would we yeah and

13:02 ↗ and that may be just something to add as

13:04 ↗ a policy as we get further along but I

13:06 ↗ think that does at least how it's

13:07 ↗ currently defined uh just kind of

13:09 ↗ enunciate the need to split out goal a

13:12 ↗ into two separate

13:16 ↗ goals I would suggest actually um

13:19 ↗ because I had the same concern and know

13:21 ↗ that loss can be a lot of things can be

13:24 ↗ aage can be function which we not

13:28 ↗ considering the the different um the

13:31 ↗ different function in the park can be it

13:32 ↗ can be recreational can be habitat can

13:35 ↗ be whatever just open space or whatnot

13:38 ↗ uh so this this should probably specify

13:41 ↗ no net loss of of uh surface area area

13:46 ↗ uh but what what do we do about do we

13:49 ↗ have an inventory of the different

13:52 ↗ functions of the parks and are we trying

13:55 ↗ to

13:56 ↗ stay to have no net loss there as well

13:58 ↗ no that right we have a inventory

14:01 ↗ inventory of all the parks and

14:03 ↗ facilities and what they're used for you

14:05 ↗ know if there's three picnic tables or

14:07 ↗ if there's a wetland bog or if there's a

14:10 ↗ you know whatever it is that that's out

14:12 ↗ there um is in the inventory so we also

14:15 ↗ would be looking at Nonet L of function

14:17 ↗ as well so if a picnic table is being

14:20 ↗ removed you would create a picnic table

14:22 ↗ somewhere else I'm I'm thinking I'm not

14:23 ↗ the expert on it but I'm thinking that's

14:25 ↗ how it goes but I can I can ask right is

14:28 ↗ there and I I don't know to what extent

14:30 ↗ we want to I guess enshrine the the

14:34 ↗ number of picnic tables or the number of

14:37 ↗ soccer fields or whatnot but that's

14:39 ↗ certainly something that's worth right

14:42 ↗ talking about right and then our level

14:43 ↗ of service calculations that it looks

14:45 ↗ like Jason's kind of touched on a little

14:47 ↗ bit we have the first inventory that we

14:50 ↗ go from back when we started um that has

14:53 ↗ a list of maybe 15 kinds of parks or

14:57 ↗ facilities or or you know things like

15:00 ↗ soccer fields and horseshoe pits and

15:02 ↗ tennis courts and whatever and then how

15:05 ↗ many we had at any given time and what

15:07 ↗ they're worth and the value and then um

15:10 ↗ when it is that we're going to need

15:12 ↗ another one or another something to fill

15:14 ↗ that for the next growth um and that's

15:18 ↗ all part of the level of service

15:19 ↗ inventory that we keep to make sure that

15:21 ↗ we're keeping up with that and that's

15:23 ↗ one thing I'm not seeing reflected in in

15:26 ↗ goal currently is we we address

15:28 ↗ facilities but we don't uh address no

15:31 ↗ net loss of services recreational

15:34 ↗ Services right and I'm not sure um that

15:38 ↗ would be a question for the parks

15:39 ↗ department on how they how they do that

15:41 ↗ or if they do that or if it's you know

15:43 ↗ as the bump of kids is getting older do

15:45 ↗ you have less preschool kinds of things

15:48 ↗ because all of a sudden that bump is

15:50 ↗ into middle school now and now you need

15:52 ↗ more um whatever it is that they do in

15:56 ↗ you know in their classes and that kind

15:58 ↗ of thing and then maybe they get older

15:59 ↗ but that would be a good class because I

16:01 ↗ think the classes and um are more

16:04 ↗ flexible because of the age groups and

16:06 ↗ the um the different programs that they

16:08 ↗ have versus the actual land and the um

16:11 ↗ you know Hardscape things are harder to

16:14 ↗ be flexible on but we can certainly ask

16:17 ↗ about that TR if you do divide it into

16:20 ↗ two goals you can take that all of those

16:24 ↗ comments and all the more specific put

16:26 ↗ it into the policy underneath the goal

16:29 ↗ or however it goes so you could address

16:33 ↗ some of these issues right in that

16:36 ↗ goal right certainly be the discussion

16:38 ↗ on on the importance of all the

16:40 ↗ different parts of non net loss it's not

16:43 ↗ just the land but the function and the

16:45 ↗ um the the recreational pieces that are

16:48 ↗ on the land and the so like the level of

16:52 ↗ service maybe ensure no net Park loss of

16:56 ↗ you know and categorize the a different

16:58 ↗ level of service whether it be as a

17:01 ↗ function whether it be a service whether

17:04 ↗ it be open space whether it be

17:07 ↗ like I don't know linear foot for each

17:12 ↗ Creek that I don't know something right

17:14 ↗ or Trail you know feet feet of Trail or

17:18 ↗ whatever yeah we can try and again it's

17:20 ↗ policy so um the inventory will be one

17:23 ↗ thing but we can certainly aspire to to

17:26 ↗ not let any of it Go lower than it is

17:28 ↗ now but to increase it as the population

17:35 ↗ increases good good

17:41 ↗ discussion okay anything else on that

17:43 ↗ one on the non net loss well my my main

17:47 ↗ issue with parks and I didn't see it

17:50 ↗ reflected any of the goals I'm not sure

17:53 ↗ where that would fit and if anybody else

17:55 ↗ agrees with me it's just you know

17:57 ↗ whenever you

17:59 ↗ take a park you turn it into a big lawn

18:01 ↗ and that becomes a park and I really

18:04 ↗ would like to see more creative use and

18:07 ↗ more ecologically friendly use of parks

18:10 ↗ happening in the future um a big land to

18:13 ↗ me is just an invitation for chemicals

18:15 ↗ and you know and and weeds not for

18:19 ↗ recreation I mean we there's a need for

18:21 ↗ some of it definitely you know kids play

18:23 ↗ Frisbee and whatnot but you know to have

18:27 ↗ so many Acres of just big laan open laan

18:32 ↗ with nothing offered uh to me is a is a

18:36 ↗ waste of opport

18:38 ↗ opportunities yeah and and I actually

18:41 ↗ had had a note very similar to that in

18:43 ↗ terms of um I didn't see really a goal

18:45 ↗ and this may be addressed when they have

18:47 ↗ the sustainability um section separate

18:51 ↗ but a goal related to um Parks um new

18:56 ↗ parks having a reduced environmental imp

18:58 ↗ impact and and reducing the

19:01 ↗ environmental impact of existing Parks

19:03 ↗ so just kind of keeping that in mind

19:04 ↗ when developing at least as far as being

19:07 ↗ the environmental portion I hadn't

19:08 ↗ really considered the uh creativity

19:18 ↗ portion so new parks having less

19:21 ↗ environment impact and to for existing

19:24 ↗ Parks you mentioned that making sure

19:28 ↗ whenever we're making changes that we're

19:30 ↗ doing in just just a general overall um

19:32 ↗ environmental

19:34 ↗ conscientiousness and I also had a note

19:36 ↗ in there as far as um utilizing um

19:41 ↗ Native um plants

19:44 ↗ and um low water um usage plants

19:49 ↗ wherever possible um so just general

19:52 ↗ Nativity and environmental

19:57 ↗ friendliness

20:00 ↗ I think I had that I think that's in the

20:02 ↗ next one stewardship and balance in the

20:04 ↗ discussion emphasizing native and

20:06 ↗ drought

20:07 ↗ tolerance special that's supposed to be

20:09 ↗ species you know and now that I reread

20:11 ↗ that I see yeah so I think the native

20:13 ↗ special species within the yeah the

20:15 ↗ native plants then I think would be fine

20:17 ↗ left out of goal a CU I think you're

20:19 ↗ right that is captured in

20:21 ↗ B but I like the idea though that even

20:23 ↗ existing Parks if they could become more

20:26 ↗ environmental friendly when possible

20:28 ↗ that that's a good

20:30 ↗ thing okay any more on that one on the

20:34 ↗ first

20:35 ↗ one okay um stewardship and

20:41 ↗ balance um this one is

20:47 ↗ um stewardship of all sorts of the parts

20:50 ↗ of the the historic cultural natural

20:54 ↗ resources um in the form of the whole

20:56 ↗ Parks and Recreation open space system

20:58 ↗ that we have and trying to balance that

21:02 ↗ with the Environmental Protection so

21:03 ↗ this is is partly what you raised um is

21:07 ↗ getting getting closer to um more

21:12 ↗ environmental stewardship and cultural

21:14 ↗ stewardship of the existing

21:17 ↗ Spots You're right integrated Pest

21:19 ↗ Management is in that one too with the

21:21 ↗ the herbicides and pesticides Shantel

21:23 ↗ that you were making sure that there's

21:25 ↗ not so many chemicals are there any

21:28 ↗ additions to that one or changes or

21:31 ↗ thoughts um my only thoughts as far as

21:34 ↗ that one would be splitting the historic

21:36 ↗ and cultural apart from the uh natural

21:39 ↗ reserve open space uh conservation

21:42 ↗ conservational aspects

21:46 ↗ okay anyone else yeah I had a

21:52 ↗ um what does this also cover as far as

21:55 ↗ stewardship goes um

21:58 ↗ making sure that the um the machines

22:02 ↗ that are used to care for the The Lawns

22:05 ↗ or the the um the open

22:08 ↗ space that we're pushing for more of an

22:11 ↗ environmentally friendly use as well

22:12 ↗ like instead of a gas powered leaf

22:16 ↗ blower that runs for hours or you know

22:20 ↗ um just I that's a good

22:25 ↗ one brooms

22:31 ↗ when part of that is you know the loan

22:33 ↗ invites not only chemicals but it also

22:36 ↗ invites a lot

22:37 ↗ of carbon emissions to all the the

22:41 ↗ maintenance and whatnot I was thinking

22:43 ↗ is you know we were using one of the

22:44 ↗ parks the other day and the the lawn

22:47 ↗ mower guy drove by and just the smell of

22:49 ↗ the fumes was pretty overwhelming and I

22:51 ↗ was thinking well you know the electric

22:54 ↗ lawnmowers will

22:56 ↗ eventually catch up with with gas

22:59 ↗ powered at some point so what can we put

23:02 ↗ um today to help uh keep that in mind

23:07 ↗ when it does become more of a viable

23:10 ↗ option for that size of a a

23:13 ↗ project I like

23:17 ↗ that anything else I just have a

23:19 ↗ question about that um what as we move

23:22 ↗ toward battery in those types of equip

23:29 ↗ um the disposal of those batteries

23:32 ↗ sometimes is as much of a problem as

23:36 ↗ using the gas in the first place right

23:38 ↗ so it's a question of you know there has

23:41 ↗ to be a balance there you know I I don't

23:43 ↗ think we should put into policy that gas

23:48 ↗ powered

23:50 ↗ equipment

23:51 ↗ should not be bought again right but

23:55 ↗ maybe making steps towards you you know

23:58 ↗ as the technolog is available and is

24:00 ↗ sustainable because you're not having

24:02 ↗ these batteries that then you we don't

24:03 ↗ know what to do with but that's a good

24:04 ↗ point I think that's still the sticking

24:06 ↗ point for it's a sticking point for a

24:08 ↗ lot for a lot of

24:10 ↗ the vehicles and but um and I don't

24:13 ↗ remember the I think we discussed that

24:16 ↗ earlier but the city does have

24:19 ↗ a a goal to reduce its own carbon

24:22 ↗ emissions right yeah so I mean that

24:25 ↗ would be part of that right I would to

24:28 ↗ all the maintenance equipment and all

24:30 ↗ that right because our Fleet is is

24:31 ↗ certainly going that way but I would

24:33 ↗ think our maintenance pieces should be

24:35 ↗ going that way as

24:38 ↗ well I'll have to ask if that's

24:40 ↗ considered part of our Fleet I would

24:42 ↗ think it should be maybe we should

24:43 ↗ expand the definition to make sure it

24:54 ↗ does

24:56 ↗ okay okay we ready for the next

24:59 ↗ one good

25:08 ↗ stuff um Partnerships now this one I did

25:13 ↗ merge together the original one

25:16 ↗ was continue Partnerships with local

25:19 ↗ state and federal and then second one

25:21 ↗ was continue Partnerships with schools

25:24 ↗ nonprofits and

25:26 ↗ groups I thought well there it's

25:28 ↗ Partnerships to me and so I put them all

25:32 ↗ together thinking you know why don't we

25:34 ↗ just partner with everybody that we

25:35 ↗ could partner with so I didn't

25:37 ↗ understand or and maybe Parks has a

25:40 ↗ reason why they wanted them separate but

25:42 ↗ um for now it just seem like we should

25:44 ↗ shoot for all the Partnerships that we

25:46 ↗ can that we can use to help us get more

25:48 ↗ parks and wreck for the community but

25:51 ↗ I'm happy to separate it again if

25:53 ↗ there's completely something that I've

25:54 ↗ missed at why they don't go together um

25:58 ↗ actually my only suggestion would be I

26:00 ↗ think we can broaden it with

26:03 ↗ significantly less wording if we make it

26:04 ↗ local state federal and Regional

26:07 ↗ agencies and uh

26:11 ↗ non-governmental um resources or

26:15 ↗ something to that effect and that way we

26:17 ↗ can cut out the entire uh second

26:20 ↗ sentence or just keep that last part of

26:22 ↗ it um to provide

26:26 ↗ manage

26:28 ↗ and then maybe in the

26:30 ↗ policies pull out the the different yeah

26:34 ↗ so the first part would be uh in my head

26:38 ↗ it reads continue Partnerships with

26:40 ↗ local state federal and Regional

26:42 ↗ agencies and non-governmental resources

26:46 ↗ to provide an excellent Regional natural

26:48 ↗ open space and park system and to

26:50 ↗ provide and manage an excellent local

26:52 ↗ natural open actually no I guess that's

26:53 ↗ the same wording exactly um so yeah it

26:56 ↗ just

26:58 ↗ uh it would add in Regional agencies and

27:00 ↗ non-governmental resources and then a

27:02 ↗ period after the first

27:03 ↗ sentence does anybody have a issue with

27:06 ↗ that does that

27:08 ↗ yes

27:10 ↗ hon on that on that issue I don't know

27:14 ↗ why you would shorten it I gota be I

27:16 ↗ don't know why you would take away the

27:19 ↗ relationship with the school district

27:21 ↗ businesses developers nonprofits no

27:24 ↗ disrespect to just I mean why not

27:28 ↗ include that the additional wording he

27:30 ↗ used gave you the same number of words

27:33 ↗ if that's what we're trying to do is

27:34 ↗ just cut back on

27:36 ↗ words I mean it is a partnership with a

27:39 ↗ variety of entities

27:42 ↗ right who are the entities put them out

27:45 ↗ there right and we could certainly put

27:47 ↗ those in the um opin the followup the um

27:50 ↗ the actual policies of what we're going

27:52 ↗ to do with the partners but but either

27:55 ↗ way it works you know it's um and and I

27:57 ↗ know I tend to be more wordy than than

28:00 ↗ Kristen for example her chapters are

28:02 ↗ much more eloquently short than mine but

28:05 ↗ you know it's um it's whatever you all

28:07 ↗ want to to put in the the first draft I

28:10 ↗ I think the partnership with schools is

28:12 ↗ really important um I personal

28:16 ↗ experience there was one I live close to

28:17 ↗ the high school or Clark Elementary and

28:20 ↗ I have two young kids and I brought my I

28:22 ↗ told my kids we were going to the park

28:24 ↗ and so I walked the distance to the park

28:27 ↗ my kids were all excited and then the

28:29 ↗ fence was locked and so I thought that

28:32 ↗ it was like a community thing that we

28:34 ↗ just couldn't really and it was just

28:36 ↗ during the day you know on a Saturday

28:38 ↗ afternoon in the fall and I just thought

28:41 ↗ it was something that we couldn't even

28:43 ↗ you know it was out in the open maybe

28:46 ↗ there's a way that we can put fences

28:48 ↗ around it so you can lock portion when

28:50 ↗ the school is in session right you know

28:52 ↗ just something that we can you know

28:54 ↗ everyone can use those parks that are

28:57 ↗ meant for kids right okay so that

29:00 ↗ specific wording then being an emphasis

29:02 ↗ towards the specific Partnerships that

29:04 ↗ we want is what I'm hearing what's wrong

29:07 ↗ with that I think idea I think I think

29:09 ↗ that's great when it's when it's put

29:10 ↗ that way and I I've come around on that

29:12 ↗ so okay the the one thing I think we all

29:15 ↗ want to see is not to

29:18 ↗ exclude any group oh right and maybe by

29:24 ↗ being

29:26 ↗ specific that specific it might exclude

29:31 ↗ something so I was just looking to

29:32 ↗ actually add something not so no group

29:37 ↗ is excluded and that was actually my

29:39 ↗ concern as well with with just

29:41 ↗ simplifying it so things didn't get

29:43 ↗ excluded so if we added something after

29:47 ↗ um neighborhood groups just and other

29:56 ↗ resources

30:01 ↗ entities instead of resources there you

30:05 ↗ already have organizations so it would

30:07 ↗ be other entities okay good I like

30:13 ↗ that any other thoughts on that and

30:16 ↗ that's I I never realized that they

30:17 ↗ would be locked on the weekends that

30:20 ↗ just seems odd because I know the city

30:21 ↗ does have a strong relationship with the

30:23 ↗ school district that we share you know

30:25 ↗ the times that the ball fields are open

30:27 ↗ and the times that the lights are on and

30:29 ↗ the times that that um so I know we have

30:32 ↗ a you know we have an interlocal

30:33 ↗ agreement with using their fields and

30:35 ↗ stuff but I didn't ever think that they

30:37 ↗ were actually locked yeah I I don't know

30:40 ↗ the times when they actually lock them

30:42 ↗ but I just thought it was it just seemed

30:44 ↗ like I can see like a dusk or something

30:47 ↗ but not in the really good security and

30:49 ↗ which is good but I just I don't want to

30:53 ↗ be

30:55 ↗ so I don't think it's necessary to be so

30:58 ↗ security minded that we're missing out

31:01 ↗ on an opportunity to right I mean that's

31:04 ↗ one of the beauties of living near a

31:05 ↗ school to to use the field yeah although

31:09 ↗ if it is a school district property the

31:13 ↗ city can't control this the the school

31:16 ↗ property so um it all depends on the and

31:20 ↗ I will say uh having been involved with

31:23 ↗ some cases involving trip and falls and

31:25 ↗ things of that nature on school

31:27 ↗ properties uh having them open for

31:29 ↗ extended periods that that's it's

31:31 ↗ usually a um risk management concern is

31:34 ↗ usually where those closing hours arise

31:36 ↗ right but we still want to partner with

31:39 ↗ them so that still works right we just

31:42 ↗ have to tie up those those little

31:44 ↗ details like you know like I think they

31:46 ↗ got rid of so many swing sets for a

31:47 ↗ while because swing sets were causing

31:50 ↗ issues and it's like how sad is that to

31:53 ↗ not have swing sets anymore but but

31:54 ↗ anyway but we we'll figure out how to

31:56 ↗ work it out and remain Partners there is

31:58 ↗ such a big difference between working

32:00 ↗ with the state local feds in the way of

32:04 ↗ uh asking for Grants and stuff that's a

32:08 ↗ very big difference than than working

32:10 ↗ with the other entities that are down

32:12 ↗ there so I'm assuming that underneath in

32:15 ↗ the uh policy policies right they're

32:17 ↗ going to be more specific on uh just at

32:21 ↗ least um mentioning the fact that the

32:24 ↗ processes of how right the grants and

32:27 ↗ the other areas that they can get funds

32:30 ↗ to support the

32:40 ↗ parks anything

32:51 ↗ else anything

32:55 ↗ else okay

33:00 ↗ we're to the next steps already um um

33:03 ↗ okay you were asking about that one

33:05 ↗ specifically but generally what about

33:08 ↗ Trails I mean I know they kind of part

33:10 ↗ of parks but yes they not don't they

33:14 ↗ deserve a separate so oh a separate goal

33:19 ↗ yeah um they could I think they're um

33:23 ↗ trains well I don't know how to go

33:25 ↗ backwards I think they're part of the

33:28 ↗ um the non net loss and the um that it's

33:31 ↗ part of

33:33 ↗ the from the current slide um that

33:37 ↗ they're considered in the bigger but if

33:40 ↗ you want in this no net loss to pull out

33:42 ↗ the trails that in order also to

33:45 ↗ increase Parks and Recreation facilities

33:48 ↗ that trails are something that we want

33:50 ↗ to be sure increases with population as

33:53 ↗ well as a facility

33:55 ↗ so a Trails have there's many different

34:00 ↗ jurisdictional issues with Trails right

34:03 ↗ this would only cover the trail that's

34:05 ↗ within a park I mean it wouldn't tra

34:07 ↗ cover the East Lake samamish Trail for

34:09 ↗ example that would be King County Park I

34:11 ↗ mean King County Trail right we do have

34:13 ↗ trails in our level of service though

34:15 ↗ for Parks um so it's that would

34:18 ↗ be so we count them we count them as a

34:21 ↗ as a park facility right and like the

34:23 ↗ Gilman trail from whatever to whatever

34:26 ↗ that's considered a um and there's the

34:29 ↗ shared use routes um from this from here

34:33 ↗ the one right here downtown um we get

34:35 ↗ credit in our level of service for that

34:37 ↗ so we do treat them like a you know like

34:39 ↗ a ball field or whatever we we tally

34:41 ↗ them and and make more of them and try

34:44 ↗ to get grants for them okay maybe it

34:47 ↗ could be a policy under under I think

34:50 ↗ well and I think I see what you're

34:51 ↗ saying too I mean if we're going to

34:52 ↗ split up goal a into two separate goals

34:55 ↗ um you know the second SE reads Parks

34:57 ↗ trails and Trail Connections in natural

34:59 ↗ and Open

35:00 ↗ Spaces um which isn't enunciated as

35:03 ↗ clearly in the first section of of goal

35:05 ↗ a and then the second section of goal a

35:08 ↗ doesn't include um parks and plazas land

35:13 ↗ for parks and plazas NE or plazas

35:15 ↗ necessarily um so making sure just that

35:19 ↗ when we split up goal a that we're

35:21 ↗ including all the elements from each of

35:23 ↗ those because I think we both want to

35:25 ↗ see those maintained and uh increased as

35:28 ↗ we're able to acquire land at least in

35:30 ↗ the policy part of

35:34 ↗ it so when we're talking about Trails I

35:38 ↗ like the the connections okay it's in

35:41 ↗ there connection of

35:45 ↗ trads if you're talking about uh uh

35:48 ↗ bikers riding on Trails besides walkers

35:51 ↗ but bikers you have you know you want to

35:53 ↗ be able to go from the city to the trail

35:56 ↗ so hopefully there's a connection and

35:59 ↗ working together to provide right right

36:02 ↗ and that's part of the emphasis of the

36:04 ↗ bike pad is to make sure that we're

36:07 ↗ looking at those not just streets but

36:11 ↗ all the different ways of getting around

36:13 ↗ you're walk connect the trail connection

36:15 ↗ sort of right covers

36:21 ↗ that good one so anything else on any of

36:25 ↗ the three what these one one more issue

36:28 ↗ is the you know we talk about and you

36:31 ↗ say there's been um there's been uh

36:35 ↗ analysis of the relationship

36:38 ↗ between uh growth in number of residents

36:42 ↗ and Trail has there been any studies on

36:46 ↗ the you kind of the equity issue related

36:49 ↗ to parks that you know uh more affluent

36:54 ↗ neighborhoods don't have more parks and

36:56 ↗ less saent neighborhoods that they have

36:58 ↗ you know well distributed I think I mean

37:00 ↗ if I'm picturing this like I'm picturing

37:03 ↗ Parks I think they are but um well when

37:06 ↗ we did the central plan we looked at

37:09 ↗ which areas had neighborhood parks you

37:11 ↗ know the bigger ones and that's why um

37:13 ↗ there's a few places in central isqua

37:16 ↗ where we're requiring the developer to

37:18 ↗ put in the bigger park because there's

37:20 ↗ none there so not only do they have to

37:22 ↗ do their mitigation for their own

37:25 ↗ residents but they also Al have to put

37:27 ↗ in the bigger park I think there's maybe

37:29 ↗ four of them um in the central plan and

37:32 ↗ so in that sense we were trying to make

37:34 ↗ sure that in areas that didn't have

37:37 ↗ anything really that they could walk to

37:39 ↗ that we were providing one in the

37:41 ↗ central plan and we have to tweak it a

37:42 ↗ little because we've never actually done

37:44 ↗ it that way we know that the highlands

37:47 ↗ required public use but it's privately

37:50 ↗ owned and that's working out really well

37:53 ↗ but not so much on the valley floor

37:55 ↗ where we have so many different land

37:56 ↗ land owners and so you didn't have the

37:58 ↗ master builder that that kind of took

38:00 ↗ care of that that middle piece so um

38:03 ↗ we're tweaking it a little bit but it's

38:05 ↗ so far um with seventh and Gilman we're

38:07 ↗ getting a sort of a neighborhood park

38:09 ↗ next to the creek and um that'll be sort

38:12 ↗ of the first experiment to see it's GNA

38:14 ↗ I think it's going to be a dog uh off

38:16 ↗ leash a dog whatever those are called

38:18 ↗ I'm getting the words in the wrong order

38:19 ↗ dog yeah it's going to be one of those

38:22 ↗ um not next to the creek but over a

38:24 ↗ little ways so um so we'll see that

38:26 ↗ works and we're kind of tweaking it as

38:28 ↗ we go along as we as people come in and

38:30 ↗ try it out we'll go oh you know we

38:32 ↗ should have we should have thought of it

38:33 ↗ this way and um because we do know that

38:36 ↗ that not all the the parts have parks

38:38 ↗ that you can walk to the other piece of

38:40 ↗ that is the routes so you can get to the

38:43 ↗ different Parks um that was a big part

38:45 ↗ of the central plan is that you could

38:47 ↗ not only are they there but that you can

38:49 ↗ walk and bike to them right well that

38:52 ↗ and that is one area that is well

38:54 ↗ thought off but there may be other are

38:56 ↗ area so I wanted just putting the word

38:58 ↗ equitable distribution somewhere in the

39:01 ↗ in the goal would would cover

39:16 ↗ that okay good work so if the um City

39:21 ↗ hires the the correct person the planner

39:24 ↗ um what do you think the

39:27 ↗ process will be since it has to be done

39:28 ↗ by a certain date um their deadline is

39:32 ↗ also next year for adoption for their

39:34 ↗ big plan and so we would be working with

39:36 ↗ them we have a meeting with them um at

39:39 ↗ the end of um it's either the end of

39:41 ↗ August or beginning of September when

39:43 ↗ they're hopefully supposed to have the

39:44 ↗ new person and to find out what their

39:46 ↗ timeline is and how we can how we can

39:48 ↗ best um combine with them to have it

39:52 ↗ done at the same time in worst case

39:55 ↗ scenario if they can't go as as fast as

39:57 ↗ we can go we might have something for

39:59 ↗ the public Hearing in I think our public

40:01 ↗ hearing is scheduled in December if we

40:04 ↗ can't have enough of the element in what

40:06 ↗ GMA is requiring by then I'm not sure

40:09 ↗ what our fallback would be because you

40:12 ↗ know we have to have a updated element

40:14 ↗ for the state in 2015 okay but the plan

40:17 ↗ will come back here before the public

40:19 ↗ hearing so we get

40:21 ↗ absolutely so when it comes back could

40:23 ↗ we have a I know you have it for the

40:26 ↗ Central Area plan of where the parks are

40:28 ↗ going to be but can we just I know you

40:30 ↗ have it just the outline of where all

40:33 ↗ the parks are in the city the existing

40:36 ↗ Parks yeah so so that you know when

40:38 ↗ you're looking at it and then you can

40:40 ↗ say well gee you know we really need

40:42 ↗ this

40:43 ↗ here I don't know just get a good idea

40:45 ↗ of where the parks

40:49 ↗ are and we have that in the um in two

40:53 ↗ places there's one in the comp plan that

40:54 ↗ shows it's old though it's 5 years years

40:56 ↗ old from the last update where all the

40:58 ↗ parks are and then the central plan

41:00 ↗ would go over that because there's new

41:01 ↗ ones on the central plan well and still

41:03 ↗ the so we need the whole going to have

41:06 ↗ to have that anyway so

41:08 ↗ right so that there'll be an updated map

41:11 ↗ in the new to show where all them and

41:13 ↗ it'll have to show too 10 years out what

41:15 ↗ we hope to have on the ground in 10

41:17 ↗ years for the that next growth spurt for

41:20 ↗ the 10 years that GMA requires which

41:23 ↗ part of that's the central plan you know

41:25 ↗ that's sort of the 30 year plan is um is

41:28 ↗ covered in the central plan and we show

41:30 ↗ all the new parks and plazas and things

41:32 ↗ that we would like

41:38 ↗ there and I'm hoping too that when it

41:40 ↗ comes to you in a fuller um version that

41:43 ↗ we can have some people from The Parks

41:45 ↗ Commission to help explain their

41:47 ↗ thinking and their vision and how they

41:49 ↗ how they want things to happen because

41:51 ↗ you know they're they live and breathe

41:53 ↗ it all the time and so they have a a

41:55 ↗ really neat perspective on

41:56 ↗ and I know that they'll come and say we

41:59 ↗ thought of all those plans and we

42:00 ↗ decided not to do it this way

42:03 ↗ because um but we're

42:06 ↗ trying yeah and I do think that would

42:08 ↗ come in really handy for policy

42:10 ↗ development too I mean when we're

42:12 ↗ talking about Equity um and this will

42:14 ↗ kind of flow into the cultural element

42:16 ↗ as well when we start talking about that

42:18 ↗ um but uh we have um you know city of

42:22 ↗ Yakama is embroiled in a huge lawsuit

42:25 ↗ now of voting rights were one of their

42:27 ↗ uh key pieces of evidence is

42:29 ↗ distribution and quality of parks among

42:32 ↗ uh income levels on neighborhoods so

42:35 ↗ that's something that we should be

42:36 ↗ considering when we're looking at the

42:37 ↗ actual policy development as well and

42:39 ↗ the maps will really help with that yeah

42:42 ↗ good to know and you mentioned cultural

42:45 ↗ the um Na on wood the cultural element

42:48 ↗ and the economic devel economic Vitality

42:50 ↗ element are supposed to be the next ones

42:52 ↗ that we

42:53 ↗ see um not in two weeks you have the

42:57 ↗ training you can either go the Thursday

42:59 ↗ night that we're supposed to meet or the

43:00 ↗ Wednesday night before if you have plans

43:02 ↗ on Thursday night um but those are the

43:05 ↗ two nights that we have scheduled for

43:07 ↗ the um anti-harassment

43:09 ↗ and a whole Litany of other things to be

43:12 ↗ trained for and so we don't have a

43:14 ↗ meeting on the 24th so the next one is

43:16 ↗ in August and August is going to be a

43:18 ↗ big month one night is going to be um

43:21 ↗ cultural and economic vitality and the

43:23 ↗ other night is going to be um housing

43:26 ↗ element in human services so it's going

43:28 ↗ to be a really big shoe as Ed San used

43:31 ↗ to say you remember Ed San I'm dating

43:34 ↗ myself we're not going to do the whole

43:36 ↗ economic development plan we're just

43:38 ↗ taking the cultural part of it El just

43:40 ↗ the element yeah just the element

43:41 ↗ because there's an economic Vitality

43:43 ↗ element and the cultural element right

43:44 ↗ but not the economic development plan so

43:47 ↗ we'll hear from them because their um

43:49 ↗ commission's been working on it as

43:53 ↗ well so anything else I think does that

43:56 ↗ cover I can't remember now it was on the

43:58 ↗ last slide for next steps but I think we

44:00 ↗ covered it that's it oh I went too fast

44:03 ↗ goodness I'm have been gone too

44:06 ↗ long from the current

44:10 ↗ slide yes I think we covered

44:13 ↗ it anything else any other questions

44:16 ↗ thoughts concerns

44:18 ↗ ideas I did ask uh Jason at the last

44:21 ↗ meeting to bring back a copy of the tip

44:26 ↗ and the CIP so that they could

44:28 ↗ understand the process and the um the

44:30 ↗ order of how things are paid

44:33 ↗ for oh for the capital facilities

44:36 ↗ element I saw that in the minutes

44:38 ↗ actually and when you said to bring it

44:41 ↗ mean bring the process well I wanted you

44:44 ↗ you have the or the list yeah you have

44:46 ↗ already have the list and a short

44:48 ↗ explanation uh because there were some

44:50 ↗ questions last two weeks ago about um

44:54 ↗ how those plans are put together

44:56 ↗ together and how money is associated

44:58 ↗ with each one of the okay

45:02 ↗ okay and the good news Well I guess we

45:06 ↗ didn't have a new commission yet for the

45:08 ↗ April the transportation Improvement

45:09 ↗ program our um engineering manager comes

45:13 ↗ in in April every year to ask you all

45:16 ↗ for your advice on the transportation

45:18 ↗ Improvement program and he has a list of

45:20 ↗ all the projects sidewalks roadways

45:24 ↗ Bridges oh my go gosh it's quite the

45:27 ↗ night and maps of where they all are and

45:29 ↗ how many bazillions of dollars they all

45:31 ↗ cost in the six years and then he's got

45:33 ↗ a 10year program and um it's very

45:36 ↗ Illuminating and we have it um for PPC

45:39 ↗ because he's been doing this with us

45:41 ↗ forever we started having him actually

45:44 ↗ um compare it to years before when we

45:47 ↗ had when we first had a big update of

45:50 ↗ the transportation element we had a

45:51 ↗ whole new map and set of projects that

45:53 ↗ we wanted in the future so every year

45:55 ↗ that he comes back to you he has to tell

45:57 ↗ us what he's done in the last year to

45:59 ↗ help get that list completed and so it

46:02 ↗ helps us a lot to um because for a while

46:05 ↗ it's like did you build anything yet and

46:07 ↗ so now we actually compare it to that

46:09 ↗ that first update that we did and it's

46:11 ↗ kind of exciting when you look back and

46:13 ↗ go wow every year you're clicking stuff

46:15 ↗ off so um since you guys that's through

46:18 ↗ they would have all missed it because

46:19 ↗ nobody was here yet in April so we'll

46:22 ↗ well I mean that right some except right

46:25 ↗ no I mean the the new folks hadn't are

46:27 ↗ like where did that big list come from

46:29 ↗ but it came from Shantal and Carl helped

46:32 ↗ this year that is a good that's a real

46:35 ↗ Illuminator when Gary comes in and talks

46:38 ↗ I I don't I don't think they I mean they

46:40 ↗ need a basic just a you know a five

46:44 ↗ minute explanation so that when they go

46:46 ↗ into that kind of discussion they're on

46:48 ↗ top of everything right so the the the

46:52 ↗ capital facilities and the

46:53 ↗ transportation and how and the process

46:56 ↗ but I'm going to put five minutes in

46:58 ↗ parentheses yeah so if you could put

46:59 ↗ that on the on the agenda next time that

47:02 ↗ would be great I know it doesn't go into

47:05 ↗ the

47:06 ↗ cultural element

47:11 ↗ but

47:14 ↗ both

47:20 ↗ it right

47:24 ↗ right

47:26 ↗ so the capital projects would be like

47:28 ↗ how Parks get funded and all the other

47:30 ↗ hard you know police cars and that kind

47:32 ↗ of stuff whereas the tip is

47:34 ↗ transportation it's Bridges roads trails

47:37 ↗ that kind of

47:39 ↗ thing okay anything

47:43 ↗ else super see how good this was tonight

47:47 ↗ another bit of Education time we'll have

47:50 ↗ we'll have it much longer next time yeah

47:52 ↗ sadly I think and I'm trying to remember

47:54 ↗ which is next time is next time culture

47:55 ↗ or is next time housing and I think

47:57 ↗ cultural next time is cultural and and

47:59 ↗ economic I just know they're all in

48:01 ↗ August so I haven't quite got my head

48:03 ↗ around August there's no other input I'm

48:06 ↗ going to close the meeting at

48:10 ↗ 7:23 good job thank you and good

48:14 ↗ night has anybody come down to the

48:17 ↗ concerts on the green

48:24 ↗ started

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