good evening and welcome to the July
10th meeting of the planning policy
commission thank you all for being here
and the first thing on our agenda is the
approval of the minutes as everybody
read the
minutes and I have a motion to
approve any
discussion all those in favor say I
opposed thank you tonight we're going
continue our discussion on the comp plan
and tonight we're going to talk about
parks recreation trails and open
space so Trish please enlighten
us and again we're going to do this in
the format that we've been doing the
other elements where the um I have your
name tag I didn't see you sneak in I
have your name tag um anyway um the um
we're going to do this like we've done
the other elements where we do the the
really brief overview from a high level
to get you sort of feeling good about
what the purpose of the park element how
it relates to other pieces of the plan
and the bigger Park element and then
once you we have all your comments we'll
put that into the the bigger update and
it'll come back to you later on in the
year for your review so um it's sort of
one of those two-step processes where
you look at the goals first and the
vision then you'll look at it in a
medior version and then um hopefully
before the end of the year we'll have
the big public hearing on all of the the
finalized
elements and my little
clicker well okay then this might be a
really short presentation okay well that
works too
um the we talked a little bit before the
cameras started rolling um in that that
the city has different plans for
different purposes and one of them is
the big parks recreation trails and open
space plan that is um governed by
the There It Is by the um parks
department and they do a super good job
with the parks plan the big parks plan
I'll talk about there's a big parks Plan
and there's our comprehensive plan
element so I'm going to be using those
two terms and if I ever am getting
confusing just say wait Trish we're
confused on which one you're talking
about the big plan is what the parks
department and the city use for getting
Grants open space grants recreation
grants Wildlife Corridor I mean they
there's a whole plethora of places that
they can get money and we've been very
successful in the past to get grant
money for our Parks and Recreation
programs and um the one of the the
criteria to have a plan that is um
allowable to get the grants is you have
to update it every five years and part
of the update is this huge public
Outreach to the community on um how are
we doing um what kinds of facilities do
you want what kind of classes do you
want are we providing the right kinds of
this and that it's a huge Outreach that
the parks department does with phone
calls and surveys and all sorts of
things and they do that for the big plan
as part of the requirements for for the
grant to be um able to get the grants we
don't do that for the element the lucky
part for us for the element is that the
parks department and this the community
that they work with and the Parks Board
go through this huge updating process of
the inventory of the facilities the
survey as I mentioned and then they have
a really detailed plan and we take the
policy pieces of that for our element so
our element is fairly short and sweet
compared to the huge volume that the
parks department uses to go out for
grant funding so they're very different
but they're connected they're not in uh
they're not contradictory in any way of
course because they couldn't be but they
are um separate but complimentary you
have a question uh no you answered it
with the complimentary portion yeah and
um the growth management says that um
that it's a real short what the what the
element has to have in it it has to talk
about um what facilities do we need in
the 10-year growth projections what do
we need to have sort of getting ready to
fund or be thinking about funding in the
next 10 years when all the you know when
the people are coming we need to figure
that out and we need to um evaluate how
we're going to um coordinate with other
jurisdictions or groups to provide those
services and facilities and open spaces
for our community so it's pretty basic
what we have to provide for the element
the park Department though the first one
the big plan um they have to do a lot
more specific kinds of inventorying as I
said um community outreach for their
requirements the piece that's sort of
been um a tough one this year is uh we
are supposed to be hiring a Parks
planner to help with this effort because
we lost our past PL park pass Parks
planner that's too many pce and so um
we've gone out i' I've heard from our
director that we're supposed to get
somebody in
August so this hasn't started yet so
this is sort of Trish's translation on
the existing Park element and what the
goals and Visions could be are they are
now just because I know so many of you
are new that I thought this would be a
good chance for you to sort of dive in
gently to what we have on the books now
so that when we talk about how it might
change or how it may evolve for the next
population growth um
spurt that you'll already be versed in
what's on the books now and what the
vision and the the goals are now so
that's sort of sort of like an
educational background launching tonight
and then when the parks department is up
to speed and has their new Planner on
board um we can have sort of their
version of how they're moving forward um
when that time
comes um this is um what we've been
working from all along is that a goal is
the aim you know that that big picture
that you want the policy is sort of how
do you how do you get there and
implementation is actually how it
happens how it it it it it appears in
front of us and I still have trouble
with this because to me they're all kind
of similar so I put this up as much for
me as for reminding us all um why are
parks important I mean this is one of
the easiest ones in the whole in our
whole comp plan to me it's like the mom
and apple pie of the whole I mean no one
ever has a complaint with you know other
than we don't have enough that's the
only complaint really we hear most
people are you know if you're having a
bad day go visit the parks department
because just their world is just a happy
fun world over there it's um you know
they've got open space they're outside
they're playing they've got happy kids
they've got programs they've got I mean
it's just a really great thing and isqua
has just a fabulous fabulous set of
programs in fact in the 19 the 2008
benchmarks that kingy did um isqua had
the second highest in King County per
capita open space and for a little town
you know if you look around we have a
lot of public open space for as many
people as we have and we're really proud
of that that we've um you know we're on
the edge of the urban boundary and we've
made it really clear that the Open Space
is really important to us even though
we're right on the line we still want
the open space in the community not just
you know ringing around the community so
we're really proud of
that um we the parks provide not only
the beauty but inv Environmental
Protection and it does help us to buffer
that rural area that's just outside our
border stop that the vision that we have
in the existing plan uh I sort of um
sort of paraphrased and kind of mushed
it around a little bit um we want to
continue to provide the highquality safe
accessible um areas that we have we want
to link them through green belt and
Greenways and preserve the natural
resources that we have obviously The
Creeks um are so important to us for the
salmon and um our Hatchery and also the
forested
hillsides um as we grow um we have no
net loss in there of parks I think
that's important that the bigger we are
we want to be sure that we continue to
provide Parks and Recreation and trails
for those that are coming and not to
lose anything that we have now and to to
keep being that beautiful city that
people think of when they think of isqua
with you know Gilman Boulevard and
um just the the beautiful landscaped
areas that we have in open
space um this is another little summary
of the GMA requirements that it's
consistent with the capital facility
plan which is actually how we fund
things how we fund the parks and wreck
um pieces and also that we have a a
demand for at least 10 years that we
have that figured out in the plan and
evaluate what we have now and how we
would get it using um our other partners
like the school district the state and
the county um to make sure that we're
doing everything we can to provide the
services and
Facilities now the first one and again I
have in the in the the top piece in
italics what the section would address
because when I looked at the goal they
didn't seem to be big enough until I
looked through the plan to to the
existing element to see what all was in
this one the non net loss and this talks
about the growth projections it talks
about um how we would get the land and
the de you know that some of the parks
would come through developers and
development some would come from City
purchasing it through bonds or other
ways of of getting money and how to make
sure that we're using the parks and
Facilities most efficiently by you know
using like this helping you know the
school district we can use theirs and
you know using King County and sort of
everybody working together to make sure
that we're using everything that we can
use use as efficiently as possible Trish
mhm isn't that really two goals what
what the Nonet loss
yeah um it could be I was thinking that
it's you don't lose what you have and
you make sure that you keep acquiring it
as you go I understand that but to me
that to me it would be uh it's really
important that no net loss okay as as uh
new buildings come in and and their
requirements of putting in parks that we
don't um uh take advantage of the parks
that there you know so we need the non
net loss in there but I think I look at
it as two different goals you're just
combining the two and it sort of to me
it it doesn't make it as clear it
doesn't make it as important by having
two goals as just me okay so the one
would be no net loss and the other one
would be to make sure we in increase
them as we grow yeah okay does that work
for folks that and that works and um no
net non net loss is that a defined term
in the GMA as far as um that's one of
ours okay so so how are we defining that
is that um percentage of population
versus square footage or is that um
current square footage um it's a good
one we it started with um we added a
policy I guess it was a while ago for no
net loss of Landscaping on Gilman
Boulevard and then it um because we
always talked about that but it was
never written anywhere so the council
adopted a policy and then every time
Public Works it was usually Public Works
would come in for a new left turn
queue we would say but you have to put
the trees somewhere else if you're going
to cut them down or move the landscaping
for the new Left Turn queue it's got to
go somewhere else so it it made the
council go so it was actually square
footage so if you cut out this part of
the left hand you know like b lombardis
or where ever you had to put the trees
somewhere else along Gman bouevard so
there wouldn't be so there'd be no net
loss I think that's the the parks it's
the same way that if we need to expand a
road or expand a RightWay or whatever
that that land or that something would
go in another Parker or in another place
far as I know we haven't had to deal
with that yet because because nobody's
come in to to get rid of anything or to
pave over anything so we haven't had to
to do the math yet and figure out where
it would go okay but you're right we
probably should contemplate if something
does come in what how would we yeah and
and that may be just something to add as
a policy as we get further along but I
think that does at least how it's
currently defined uh just kind of
enunciate the need to split out goal a
into two separate
goals I would suggest actually um
because I had the same concern and know
that loss can be a lot of things can be
aage can be function which we not
considering the the different um the
different function in the park can be it
can be recreational can be habitat can
be whatever just open space or whatnot
uh so this this should probably specify
no net loss of of uh surface area area
uh but what what do we do about do we
have an inventory of the different
functions of the parks and are we trying
to
stay to have no net loss there as well
no that right we have a inventory
inventory of all the parks and
facilities and what they're used for you
know if there's three picnic tables or
if there's a wetland bog or if there's a
you know whatever it is that that's out
there um is in the inventory so we also
would be looking at Nonet L of function
as well so if a picnic table is being
removed you would create a picnic table
somewhere else I'm I'm thinking I'm not
the expert on it but I'm thinking that's
how it goes but I can I can ask right is
there and I I don't know to what extent
we want to I guess enshrine the the
number of picnic tables or the number of
soccer fields or whatnot but that's
certainly something that's worth right
talking about right and then our level
of service calculations that it looks
like Jason's kind of touched on a little
bit we have the first inventory that we
go from back when we started um that has
a list of maybe 15 kinds of parks or
facilities or or you know things like
soccer fields and horseshoe pits and
tennis courts and whatever and then how
many we had at any given time and what
they're worth and the value and then um
when it is that we're going to need
another one or another something to fill
that for the next growth um and that's
all part of the level of service
inventory that we keep to make sure that
we're keeping up with that and that's
one thing I'm not seeing reflected in in
goal currently is we we address
facilities but we don't uh address no
net loss of services recreational
Services right and I'm not sure um that
would be a question for the parks
department on how they how they do that
or if they do that or if it's you know
as the bump of kids is getting older do
you have less preschool kinds of things
because all of a sudden that bump is
into middle school now and now you need
more um whatever it is that they do in
you know in their classes and that kind
of thing and then maybe they get older
but that would be a good class because I
think the classes and um are more
flexible because of the age groups and
the um the different programs that they
have versus the actual land and the um
you know Hardscape things are harder to
be flexible on but we can certainly ask
about that TR if you do divide it into
two goals you can take that all of those
comments and all the more specific put
it into the policy underneath the goal
or however it goes so you could address
some of these issues right in that
goal right certainly be the discussion
on on the importance of all the
different parts of non net loss it's not
just the land but the function and the
um the the recreational pieces that are
on the land and the so like the level of
service maybe ensure no net Park loss of
you know and categorize the a different
level of service whether it be as a
function whether it be a service whether
it be open space whether it be
like I don't know linear foot for each
Creek that I don't know something right
or Trail you know feet feet of Trail or
whatever yeah we can try and again it's
policy so um the inventory will be one
thing but we can certainly aspire to to
not let any of it Go lower than it is
now but to increase it as the population
increases good good
discussion okay anything else on that
one on the non net loss well my my main
issue with parks and I didn't see it
reflected any of the goals I'm not sure
where that would fit and if anybody else
agrees with me it's just you know
whenever you
take a park you turn it into a big lawn
and that becomes a park and I really
would like to see more creative use and
more ecologically friendly use of parks
happening in the future um a big land to
me is just an invitation for chemicals
and you know and and weeds not for
recreation I mean we there's a need for
some of it definitely you know kids play
Frisbee and whatnot but you know to have
so many Acres of just big laan open laan
with nothing offered uh to me is a is a
waste of opport
opportunities yeah and and I actually
had had a note very similar to that in
terms of um I didn't see really a goal
and this may be addressed when they have
the sustainability um section separate
but a goal related to um Parks um new
parks having a reduced environmental imp
impact and and reducing the
environmental impact of existing Parks
so just kind of keeping that in mind
when developing at least as far as being
the environmental portion I hadn't
really considered the uh creativity
portion so new parks having less
environment impact and to for existing
Parks you mentioned that making sure
whenever we're making changes that we're
doing in just just a general overall um
environmental
conscientiousness and I also had a note
in there as far as um utilizing um
Native um plants
and um low water um usage plants
wherever possible um so just general
Nativity and environmental
friendliness
I think I had that I think that's in the
next one stewardship and balance in the
discussion emphasizing native and
drought
tolerance special that's supposed to be
species you know and now that I reread
that I see yeah so I think the native
special species within the yeah the
native plants then I think would be fine
left out of goal a CU I think you're
right that is captured in
B but I like the idea though that even
existing Parks if they could become more
environmental friendly when possible
that that's a good
thing okay any more on that one on the
first
one okay um stewardship and
balance um this one is
um stewardship of all sorts of the parts
of the the historic cultural natural
resources um in the form of the whole
Parks and Recreation open space system
that we have and trying to balance that
with the Environmental Protection so
this is is partly what you raised um is
getting getting closer to um more
environmental stewardship and cultural
stewardship of the existing
Spots You're right integrated Pest
Management is in that one too with the
the herbicides and pesticides Shantel
that you were making sure that there's
not so many chemicals are there any
additions to that one or changes or
thoughts um my only thoughts as far as
that one would be splitting the historic
and cultural apart from the uh natural
reserve open space uh conservation
conservational aspects
okay anyone else yeah I had a
um what does this also cover as far as
stewardship goes um
making sure that the um the machines
that are used to care for the The Lawns
or the the um the open
space that we're pushing for more of an
environmentally friendly use as well
like instead of a gas powered leaf
blower that runs for hours or you know
um just I that's a good
one brooms
when part of that is you know the loan
invites not only chemicals but it also
invites a lot
of carbon emissions to all the the
maintenance and whatnot I was thinking
is you know we were using one of the
parks the other day and the the lawn
mower guy drove by and just the smell of
the fumes was pretty overwhelming and I
was thinking well you know the electric
lawnmowers will
eventually catch up with with gas
powered at some point so what can we put
um today to help uh keep that in mind
when it does become more of a viable
option for that size of a a
project I like
that anything else I just have a
question about that um what as we move
toward battery in those types of equip
um the disposal of those batteries
sometimes is as much of a problem as
using the gas in the first place right
so it's a question of you know there has
to be a balance there you know I I don't
think we should put into policy that gas
powered
equipment
should not be bought again right but
maybe making steps towards you you know
as the technolog is available and is
sustainable because you're not having
these batteries that then you we don't
know what to do with but that's a good
point I think that's still the sticking
point for it's a sticking point for a
lot for a lot of
the vehicles and but um and I don't
remember the I think we discussed that
earlier but the city does have
a a goal to reduce its own carbon
emissions right yeah so I mean that
would be part of that right I would to
all the maintenance equipment and all
that right because our Fleet is is
certainly going that way but I would
think our maintenance pieces should be
going that way as
well I'll have to ask if that's
considered part of our Fleet I would
think it should be maybe we should
expand the definition to make sure it
does
okay okay we ready for the next
one good
stuff um Partnerships now this one I did
merge together the original one
was continue Partnerships with local
state and federal and then second one
was continue Partnerships with schools
nonprofits and
groups I thought well there it's
Partnerships to me and so I put them all
together thinking you know why don't we
just partner with everybody that we
could partner with so I didn't
understand or and maybe Parks has a
reason why they wanted them separate but
um for now it just seem like we should
shoot for all the Partnerships that we
can that we can use to help us get more
parks and wreck for the community but
I'm happy to separate it again if
there's completely something that I've
missed at why they don't go together um
actually my only suggestion would be I
think we can broaden it with
significantly less wording if we make it
local state federal and Regional
agencies and uh
non-governmental um resources or
something to that effect and that way we
can cut out the entire uh second
sentence or just keep that last part of
it um to provide
manage
and then maybe in the
policies pull out the the different yeah
so the first part would be uh in my head
it reads continue Partnerships with
local state federal and Regional
agencies and non-governmental resources
to provide an excellent Regional natural
open space and park system and to
provide and manage an excellent local
natural open actually no I guess that's
the same wording exactly um so yeah it
just
uh it would add in Regional agencies and
non-governmental resources and then a
period after the first
sentence does anybody have a issue with
that does that
yes
hon on that on that issue I don't know
why you would shorten it I gota be I
don't know why you would take away the
relationship with the school district
businesses developers nonprofits no
disrespect to just I mean why not
include that the additional wording he
used gave you the same number of words
if that's what we're trying to do is
just cut back on
words I mean it is a partnership with a
variety of entities
right who are the entities put them out
there right and we could certainly put
those in the um opin the followup the um
the actual policies of what we're going
to do with the partners but but either
way it works you know it's um and and I
know I tend to be more wordy than than
Kristen for example her chapters are
much more eloquently short than mine but
you know it's um it's whatever you all
want to to put in the the first draft I
I think the partnership with schools is
really important um I personal
experience there was one I live close to
the high school or Clark Elementary and
I have two young kids and I brought my I
told my kids we were going to the park
and so I walked the distance to the park
my kids were all excited and then the
fence was locked and so I thought that
it was like a community thing that we
just couldn't really and it was just
during the day you know on a Saturday
afternoon in the fall and I just thought
it was something that we couldn't even
you know it was out in the open maybe
there's a way that we can put fences
around it so you can lock portion when
the school is in session right you know
just something that we can you know
everyone can use those parks that are
meant for kids right okay so that
specific wording then being an emphasis
towards the specific Partnerships that
we want is what I'm hearing what's wrong
with that I think idea I think I think
that's great when it's when it's put
that way and I I've come around on that
so okay the the one thing I think we all
want to see is not to
exclude any group oh right and maybe by
being
specific that specific it might exclude
something so I was just looking to
actually add something not so no group
is excluded and that was actually my
concern as well with with just
simplifying it so things didn't get
excluded so if we added something after
um neighborhood groups just and other
resources
entities instead of resources there you
already have organizations so it would
be other entities okay good I like
that any other thoughts on that and
that's I I never realized that they
would be locked on the weekends that
just seems odd because I know the city
does have a strong relationship with the
school district that we share you know
the times that the ball fields are open
and the times that the lights are on and
the times that that um so I know we have
a you know we have an interlocal
agreement with using their fields and
stuff but I didn't ever think that they
were actually locked yeah I I don't know
the times when they actually lock them
but I just thought it was it just seemed
like I can see like a dusk or something
but not in the really good security and
which is good but I just I don't want to
be
so I don't think it's necessary to be so
security minded that we're missing out
on an opportunity to right I mean that's
one of the beauties of living near a
school to to use the field yeah although
if it is a school district property the
city can't control this the the school
property so um it all depends on the and
I will say uh having been involved with
some cases involving trip and falls and
things of that nature on school
properties uh having them open for
extended periods that that's it's
usually a um risk management concern is
usually where those closing hours arise
right but we still want to partner with
them so that still works right we just
have to tie up those those little
details like you know like I think they
got rid of so many swing sets for a
while because swing sets were causing
issues and it's like how sad is that to
not have swing sets anymore but but
anyway but we we'll figure out how to
work it out and remain Partners there is
such a big difference between working
with the state local feds in the way of
uh asking for Grants and stuff that's a
very big difference than than working
with the other entities that are down
there so I'm assuming that underneath in
the uh policy policies right they're
going to be more specific on uh just at
least um mentioning the fact that the
processes of how right the grants and
the other areas that they can get funds
to support the
parks anything
else anything
else okay
we're to the next steps already um um
okay you were asking about that one
specifically but generally what about
Trails I mean I know they kind of part
of parks but yes they not don't they
deserve a separate so oh a separate goal
yeah um they could I think they're um
trains well I don't know how to go
backwards I think they're part of the
um the non net loss and the um that it's
part of
the from the current slide um that
they're considered in the bigger but if
you want in this no net loss to pull out
the trails that in order also to
increase Parks and Recreation facilities
that trails are something that we want
to be sure increases with population as
well as a facility
so a Trails have there's many different
jurisdictional issues with Trails right
this would only cover the trail that's
within a park I mean it wouldn't tra
cover the East Lake samamish Trail for
example that would be King County Park I
mean King County Trail right we do have
trails in our level of service though
for Parks um so it's that would
be so we count them we count them as a
as a park facility right and like the
Gilman trail from whatever to whatever
that's considered a um and there's the
shared use routes um from this from here
the one right here downtown um we get
credit in our level of service for that
so we do treat them like a you know like
a ball field or whatever we we tally
them and and make more of them and try
to get grants for them okay maybe it
could be a policy under under I think
well and I think I see what you're
saying too I mean if we're going to
split up goal a into two separate goals
um you know the second SE reads Parks
trails and Trail Connections in natural
and Open
Spaces um which isn't enunciated as
clearly in the first section of of goal
a and then the second section of goal a
doesn't include um parks and plazas land
for parks and plazas NE or plazas
necessarily um so making sure just that
when we split up goal a that we're
including all the elements from each of
those because I think we both want to
see those maintained and uh increased as
we're able to acquire land at least in
the policy part of
it so when we're talking about Trails I
like the the connections okay it's in
there connection of
trads if you're talking about uh uh
bikers riding on Trails besides walkers
but bikers you have you know you want to
be able to go from the city to the trail
so hopefully there's a connection and
working together to provide right right
and that's part of the emphasis of the
bike pad is to make sure that we're
looking at those not just streets but
all the different ways of getting around
you're walk connect the trail connection
sort of right covers
that good one so anything else on any of
the three what these one one more issue
is the you know we talk about and you
say there's been um there's been uh
analysis of the relationship
between uh growth in number of residents
and Trail has there been any studies on
the you kind of the equity issue related
to parks that you know uh more affluent
neighborhoods don't have more parks and
less saent neighborhoods that they have
you know well distributed I think I mean
if I'm picturing this like I'm picturing
Parks I think they are but um well when
we did the central plan we looked at
which areas had neighborhood parks you
know the bigger ones and that's why um
there's a few places in central isqua
where we're requiring the developer to
put in the bigger park because there's
none there so not only do they have to
do their mitigation for their own
residents but they also Al have to put
in the bigger park I think there's maybe
four of them um in the central plan and
so in that sense we were trying to make
sure that in areas that didn't have
anything really that they could walk to
that we were providing one in the
central plan and we have to tweak it a
little because we've never actually done
it that way we know that the highlands
required public use but it's privately
owned and that's working out really well
but not so much on the valley floor
where we have so many different land
land owners and so you didn't have the
master builder that that kind of took
care of that that middle piece so um
we're tweaking it a little bit but it's
so far um with seventh and Gilman we're
getting a sort of a neighborhood park
next to the creek and um that'll be sort
of the first experiment to see it's GNA
I think it's going to be a dog uh off
leash a dog whatever those are called
I'm getting the words in the wrong order
dog yeah it's going to be one of those
um not next to the creek but over a
little ways so um so we'll see that
works and we're kind of tweaking it as
we go along as we as people come in and
try it out we'll go oh you know we
should have we should have thought of it
this way and um because we do know that
that not all the the parts have parks
that you can walk to the other piece of
that is the routes so you can get to the
different Parks um that was a big part
of the central plan is that you could
not only are they there but that you can
walk and bike to them right well that
and that is one area that is well
thought off but there may be other are
area so I wanted just putting the word
equitable distribution somewhere in the
in the goal would would cover
that okay good work so if the um City
hires the the correct person the planner
um what do you think the
process will be since it has to be done
by a certain date um their deadline is
also next year for adoption for their
big plan and so we would be working with
them we have a meeting with them um at
the end of um it's either the end of
August or beginning of September when
they're hopefully supposed to have the
new person and to find out what their
timeline is and how we can how we can
best um combine with them to have it
done at the same time in worst case
scenario if they can't go as as fast as
we can go we might have something for
the public Hearing in I think our public
hearing is scheduled in December if we
can't have enough of the element in what
GMA is requiring by then I'm not sure
what our fallback would be because you
know we have to have a updated element
for the state in 2015 okay but the plan
will come back here before the public
hearing so we get
absolutely so when it comes back could
we have a I know you have it for the
Central Area plan of where the parks are
going to be but can we just I know you
have it just the outline of where all
the parks are in the city the existing
Parks yeah so so that you know when
you're looking at it and then you can
say well gee you know we really need
this
here I don't know just get a good idea
of where the parks
are and we have that in the um in two
places there's one in the comp plan that
shows it's old though it's 5 years years
old from the last update where all the
parks are and then the central plan
would go over that because there's new
ones on the central plan well and still
the so we need the whole going to have
to have that anyway so
right so that there'll be an updated map
in the new to show where all them and
it'll have to show too 10 years out what
we hope to have on the ground in 10
years for the that next growth spurt for
the 10 years that GMA requires which
part of that's the central plan you know
that's sort of the 30 year plan is um is
covered in the central plan and we show
all the new parks and plazas and things
that we would like
there and I'm hoping too that when it
comes to you in a fuller um version that
we can have some people from The Parks
Commission to help explain their
thinking and their vision and how they
how they want things to happen because
you know they're they live and breathe
it all the time and so they have a a
really neat perspective on
and I know that they'll come and say we
thought of all those plans and we
decided not to do it this way
because um but we're
trying yeah and I do think that would
come in really handy for policy
development too I mean when we're
talking about Equity um and this will
kind of flow into the cultural element
as well when we start talking about that
um but uh we have um you know city of
Yakama is embroiled in a huge lawsuit
now of voting rights were one of their
uh key pieces of evidence is
distribution and quality of parks among
uh income levels on neighborhoods so
that's something that we should be
considering when we're looking at the
actual policy development as well and
the maps will really help with that yeah
good to know and you mentioned cultural
the um Na on wood the cultural element
and the economic devel economic Vitality
element are supposed to be the next ones
that we
see um not in two weeks you have the
training you can either go the Thursday
night that we're supposed to meet or the
Wednesday night before if you have plans
on Thursday night um but those are the
two nights that we have scheduled for
the um anti-harassment
and a whole Litany of other things to be
trained for and so we don't have a
meeting on the 24th so the next one is
in August and August is going to be a
big month one night is going to be um
cultural and economic vitality and the
other night is going to be um housing
element in human services so it's going
to be a really big shoe as Ed San used
to say you remember Ed San I'm dating
myself we're not going to do the whole
economic development plan we're just
taking the cultural part of it El just
the element yeah just the element
because there's an economic Vitality
element and the cultural element right
but not the economic development plan so
we'll hear from them because their um
commission's been working on it as
well so anything else I think does that
cover I can't remember now it was on the
last slide for next steps but I think we
covered it that's it oh I went too fast
goodness I'm have been gone too
long from the current
slide yes I think we covered
it anything else any other questions
thoughts concerns
ideas I did ask uh Jason at the last
meeting to bring back a copy of the tip
and the CIP so that they could
understand the process and the um the
order of how things are paid
for oh for the capital facilities
element I saw that in the minutes
actually and when you said to bring it
mean bring the process well I wanted you
you have the or the list yeah you have
already have the list and a short
explanation uh because there were some
questions last two weeks ago about um
how those plans are put together
together and how money is associated
with each one of the okay
okay and the good news Well I guess we
didn't have a new commission yet for the
April the transportation Improvement
program our um engineering manager comes
in in April every year to ask you all
for your advice on the transportation
Improvement program and he has a list of
all the projects sidewalks roadways
Bridges oh my go gosh it's quite the
night and maps of where they all are and
how many bazillions of dollars they all
cost in the six years and then he's got
a 10year program and um it's very
Illuminating and we have it um for PPC
because he's been doing this with us
forever we started having him actually
um compare it to years before when we
had when we first had a big update of
the transportation element we had a
whole new map and set of projects that
we wanted in the future so every year
that he comes back to you he has to tell
us what he's done in the last year to
help get that list completed and so it
helps us a lot to um because for a while
it's like did you build anything yet and
so now we actually compare it to that
that first update that we did and it's
kind of exciting when you look back and
go wow every year you're clicking stuff
off so um since you guys that's through
they would have all missed it because
nobody was here yet in April so we'll
well I mean that right some except right
no I mean the the new folks hadn't are
like where did that big list come from
but it came from Shantal and Carl helped
this year that is a good that's a real
Illuminator when Gary comes in and talks
I I don't I don't think they I mean they
need a basic just a you know a five
minute explanation so that when they go
into that kind of discussion they're on
top of everything right so the the the
capital facilities and the
transportation and how and the process
but I'm going to put five minutes in
parentheses yeah so if you could put
that on the on the agenda next time that
would be great I know it doesn't go into
the
cultural element
but
both
it right
right
so the capital projects would be like
how Parks get funded and all the other
hard you know police cars and that kind
of stuff whereas the tip is
transportation it's Bridges roads trails
that kind of
thing okay anything
else super see how good this was tonight
another bit of Education time we'll have
we'll have it much longer next time yeah
sadly I think and I'm trying to remember
which is next time is next time culture
or is next time housing and I think
cultural next time is cultural and and
economic I just know they're all in
August so I haven't quite got my head
around August there's no other input I'm
going to close the meeting at
7:23 good job thank you and good
night has anybody come down to the
concerts on the green
started