Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, February 23, 2023 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of Jan. 12, 2023

packet pp.3–9

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Staff report:

MINUTES PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION 6:30 p.m. - Thursday, January 12, 2023

Minutes of Jan. 19, 2023

packet pp.11–21

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Staff report:

MINUTES PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION SPECIAL JOINT MEETING 6:30 p.m. - Thursday, January 19, 2023

Minutes of Jan. 26, 2023

packet pp.23–31

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Staff report:

MINUTES PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION JOINT MEETING 6:30 p.m. - Thursday, January 26, 2023

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update Overview, (D)

Stephen Padua, Long Range Planning Manager · packet pp.33–37

Topics: Land Use

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Staff report:

The purpose of the February 23, 2023, meeting is to

5. REPORTS

Council Update

Stephen Padua, Long Range Planning Manager

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Upcoming Schedule

packet pp.39–40

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Staff report:

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0:10 ↗ good evening everyone

0:12 ↗ I'd like to call the February 23rd

0:14 ↗ planning policy commission to order

0:16 ↗ it is currently 6 30 pm

0:19 ↗ as you can see tonight it's a more

0:21 ↗ intimate setting I do want to say

0:23 ↗ welcome to Thomas uh for any of you

0:25 ↗ don't know Thomas is one of our staff

0:26 ↗ Liaisons here at the city

0:29 ↗ um

0:30 ↗ Vice chair Bader and I know him because

0:31 ↗ he does a lot of the pre-planning work

0:33 ↗ with us so welcome Thomas

0:36 ↗ tonight we're going to have a hybrid

0:38 ↗ meeting the planning policy commission

0:40 ↗ is in person but staff or members of the

0:42 ↗ public may be attending virtually or in

0:44 ↗ person

0:46 ↗ Thomas do we have a quorum this evening

0:51 ↗ chair voice we do have a quorum

0:53 ↗ Commissioners Lewis Patterson and

0:56 ↗ Baltimore our excuse tonight

0:58 ↗ great thank you

1:00 ↗ so our first item of business is to take

1:02 ↗ care to approve

1:03 ↗ the minutes for three of our previous

1:06 ↗ meetings

1:08 ↗ so we'll begin with the January 12th

1:09 ↗ meeting are there any corrections to the

1:12 ↗ draft minutes that were provided in your

1:13 ↗ packet

1:16 ↗ hearing none these minutes are approved

1:19 ↗ as the same with the January 19th

1:21 ↗ meeting are there any corrections to

1:23 ↗ that set of notes

1:26 ↗ hearing none those minutes are approved

1:29 ↗ and then finally January 26th

1:32 ↗ are there any corrections I have a

1:35 ↗ really little typo that I don't even

1:36 ↗ know if it's worth but why not on page

1:40 ↗ six of nine of the minutes 28 out of 40

1:43 ↗ of our packet Vice chair Baden is listed

1:46 ↗ not Vader so for the record within our

1:53 ↗ all right thank you Vice chair Bader and

1:56 ↗ if staff could make that correction that

1:58 ↗ would be great any other corrections to

1:59 ↗ the January 26th minutes

2:02 ↗ all right with those noted Corrections

2:05 ↗ those minutes are approved

2:08 ↗ so our next item of business tonight is

2:10 ↗ the public comment uh these are general

2:12 ↗ public comments for the good of the

2:13 ↗ commission

2:15 ↗ tonight's comments can be made in person

2:17 ↗ or virtually and for all those who would

2:19 ↗ like to speak during public comments we

2:21 ↗ ask that you speak clearly and pause

2:23 ↗ frequently state your name each time

2:26 ↗ before speaking

2:27 ↗ and if you are attending virtually which

2:29 ↗ tonight it appears you will be if you're

2:31 ↗ making any comments at all

2:35 ↗ please

2:37 ↗ note these small concerns please mute

2:39 ↗ your microphone when you're not speaking

2:42 ↗ and if you're having any technical

2:43 ↗ issues try joining the meeting using a

2:45 ↗ different device such as a smartphone or

2:47 ↗ tablet

2:48 ↗ you can use the call-in information in

2:50 ↗ the meeting invite to call in

2:52 ↗ public comments are an important part of

2:54 ↗ the public process we take them

2:56 ↗ seriously and they're factored into the

2:57 ↗ decisions that we make

3:00 ↗ um please limit your comments to five

3:02 ↗ minutes or less Jared do we have anyone

3:04 ↗ signed up who would like to make public

3:05 ↗ comments this evening there is no one in

3:07 ↗ the room nor online who would like to

3:09 ↗ make a comment at this time okay thank

3:12 ↗ you Jared

3:13 ↗ all right we're going to jump into a

3:15 ↗ little Schoolhouse Rock

3:17 ↗ the comprehensive plan 101 as part of

3:20 ↗ our regular business tonight's staff

3:22 ↗ will be introducing the comprehensive

3:23 ↗ plan in the state mandated 2024 periodic

3:28 ↗ update

3:29 ↗ staff will provide an overview of this

3:31 ↗ project and ask for initial feedback

3:32 ↗ after their presentation

3:34 ↗ so staff please go ahead with your

3:36 ↗ presentation

3:40 ↗ voice good evening commissioners

3:43 ↗ uh Stephenville long range planning

3:45 ↗ manager and today I'm going to talk comp

3:47 ↗ plan

3:48 ↗ for tonight's presentation it is really

3:50 ↗ a 101 just to give you an overview of

3:52 ↗ what the comprehensive plan is how it's

3:54 ↗ used and the plan for the project for

3:57 ↗ doing the periodic update and explaining

3:59 ↗ what exactly that means

4:06 ↗ so as I'm going through the presentation

4:08 ↗ we have two general questions for you to

4:11 ↗ help us with our scoping and planning

4:13 ↗ for the update project itself Are there

4:16 ↗ specific topics that commission would

4:18 ↗ like to discuss as part of this update

4:20 ↗ or is there information or feedback that

4:22 ↗ would be helpful in this process as we

4:24 ↗ are discussing the different and various

4:26 ↗ topics that will be coming to the

4:27 ↗ commission

4:30 ↗ and at any point please stop me if you

4:33 ↗ have any questions about there there's a

4:34 ↗ lot of high level information when it

4:36 ↗ comes to the comprehensive plan I'm

4:37 ↗ happy to answer any questions we've got

4:39 ↗ plenty of time tonight to cover this

4:41 ↗ topic

4:43 ↗ um so for the comprehensive plan I have

4:46 ↗ to go back back to 1999 or 1990 when the

4:50 ↗ state adopted the growth management Act

4:53 ↗ and the reason why they adopted this is

4:56 ↗ that the state wanted to incorporate a

4:59 ↗ much more organized fashion to planning

5:01 ↗ throughout the state so that our

5:03 ↗ Incorporated areas are looking more

5:06 ↗ closely at population growth

5:08 ↗ sprawl and the quality of life as one of

5:10 ↗ the major concerns of why this even came

5:12 ↗ into place and the reason I bring that

5:14 ↗ up is because this really dictates what

5:17 ↗ goes into the comprehensive plan and how

5:19 ↗ we talk about certain things and so it

5:22 ↗ it trickles down into county-wide

5:24 ↗ regulations as well as our local

5:27 ↗ regulations as it relates to what we

5:30 ↗ want in our comprehensive plan

5:33 ↗ so the the growth management act itself

5:35 ↗ provides framework for regional

5:37 ↗ coordination in addition to what we want

5:39 ↗ to look at locally it requires counties

5:41 ↗ to adopt county-wide planning policies

5:43 ↗ that provide regulations for the cities

5:47 ↗ and it requires the establishment of the

5:49 ↗ urban growth areas which

5:51 ↗ restricts where growth can actually

5:53 ↗ happen in our region

5:56 ↗ so GMA itself and our referred growth

5:59 ↗ management act GMA

6:01 ↗ requires several topics to be covered

6:03 ↗ within your comprehensive plans and I'm

6:06 ↗ not going to test you on everything

6:09 ↗ that's going to be required but the main

6:11 ↗ thing to know that all these different

6:12 ↗ topics are covered in the elements

6:15 ↗ themselves and so we actually have nine

6:18 ↗ elements in our comprehensive plan

6:21 ↗ seven of which that are actually

6:22 ↗ required by the state and we have two

6:25 ↗ highlighted items the human services and

6:27 ↗ the cultural elements that aren't

6:28 ↗ required of the state but that we

6:30 ↗ incorporate as part of our conference

6:32 ↗ plans to recognize the importance of

6:35 ↗ these topics as part of our planning

6:37 ↗ processes

6:38 ↗ and every city is a little different in

6:40 ↗ terms of like which elements they in

6:42 ↗ addition to what's required they can

6:43 ↗ have uh any other types of elements some

6:46 ↗ cities look at Equity elements some

6:49 ↗ cities look at

6:50 ↗ different arts and culture elements so

6:54 ↗ it really kind of depends on how each

6:56 ↗ City wants to tackle each of the

6:57 ↗ different topics in terms of what's

6:59 ↗ important for those cities

7:05 ↗ how this works in the grand scheme of

7:07 ↗ things is the comprehensive plan

7:09 ↗ identifies the vision for how the city

7:12 ↗ wants to plan and grow and that develops

7:15 ↗ into the goals and policies that dictate

7:17 ↗ how we approach certain things

7:20 ↗ and that feeds into the functional plans

7:21 ↗ and I'm defining the functional plans as

7:23 ↗ things like the park strategic plan or

7:26 ↗ the mobility master plan or the Human

7:29 ↗ Services strategic plan so all those

7:31 ↗ functional what I'm calling functional

7:33 ↗ plans provide more of a framework on the

7:35 ↗ strategy of how we're achieving that

7:37 ↗ Vision now and it looks at specific

7:40 ↗ actions and resources and and I wanted

7:43 ↗ to outline this because it's important

7:45 ↗ to note that these are the typical

7:46 ↗ things you don't actually want

7:48 ↗ intercomprehensive plan because that

7:52 ↗ what's supposed to go on the conference

7:54 ↗ plan is primarily just that Vision it's

7:57 ↗ supposed to provide that guidance on how

7:58 ↗ you approach things and then you can

8:00 ↗ separately look at the implementation

8:02 ↗ through the functional plans in a

8:03 ↗ separate fashion and then all the what

8:06 ↗ gets developed in the functional plans

8:08 ↗ that feeds into the actual

8:10 ↗ implementation and financing as you see

8:13 ↗ on the graphic it goes into the city

8:14 ↗ budget it goes into the types of

8:16 ↗ regulations and so that's kind of the

8:18 ↗ flow of information when it comes from

8:20 ↗ the high level vision from the

8:22 ↗ confidence plan down to what hits the

8:24 ↗ ground from the city budget

8:29 ↗ commissioner Milligan is it okay are we

8:31 ↗ freewheeling here yes please uh part of

8:33 ↗ the way through thank you very much

8:34 ↗ Stephen uh part of the way through this

8:36 ↗ when you talked about the functional

8:37 ↗ plans and maybe we're referring to the

8:39 ↗ mobility master plan which I thought

8:41 ↗ became the transportation element are

8:43 ↗ you saying that we have put functional

8:45 ↗ plans in our comp plan and they should

8:47 ↗ not be there what did I hear you say no

8:49 ↗ it's so um I'm glad you're bringing it

8:51 ↗ up because I was on one of my next

8:53 ↗ slides so that to transition to that it

8:56 ↗ is the what we have in a lot of our

8:59 ↗ functional plans identifies what's our

9:01 ↗ vision goals and policies but it doesn't

9:03 ↗ specifically say why and that's what

9:05 ↗ goes into the confidence plan why this

9:07 ↗ is our vision why these are goals and

9:09 ↗ why these are our policies what goes

9:11 ↗ into the mobility master plan for

9:14 ↗ example or these functional plans is we

9:17 ↗ have these goals and policies this is

9:19 ↗ how we're going to implement them now

9:21 ↗ not necessarily why this is our goals

9:22 ↗ and policies but this is how we're gonna

9:24 ↗ how we want to implement it here's

9:26 ↗ resources that we know so it's just

9:28 ↗ taking that that next step of okay how

9:31 ↗ do we achieve that Vision now

9:33 ↗ and trying to bring a more realistic and

9:35 ↗ the reason why we go about talking about

9:37 ↗ goals and policies is because we're

9:39 ↗ looking at those resources and we're

9:41 ↗ because we're looking at what's

9:43 ↗ realistic for implementation that could

9:46 ↗ frame some of those goals and policies

9:48 ↗ in a different way so that's why you

9:49 ↗ have these Master plans like Mobility

9:51 ↗ master plan or the park strategic plan

9:53 ↗ where they look at it all together

9:55 ↗ because some of the it makes a

9:58 ↗ difference of we don't we want to shoot

9:59 ↗ for the sky but we also want to achieve

10:02 ↗ getting there too so we want to be able

10:04 ↗ to realistically Define what this vision

10:06 ↗ is as well as

10:08 ↗ trying to Define what that Vision should

10:11 ↗ be

10:12 ↗ does that help answer your question okay

10:15 ↗ any other questions on how this works

10:19 ↗ I guess for Stephen commissioner voice

10:22 ↗ just real quickly I was reading over one

10:25 ↗ of the elements that you sent over in

10:28 ↗ the packet so typically like the

10:30 ↗ transportation element or the human

10:31 ↗ resource element those will have part of

10:35 ↗ their introduction is basically laying

10:37 ↗ out the comprehensive Plan before they

10:39 ↗ start getting into their strategies and

10:40 ↗ finances finances so they're taking part

10:43 ↗ of the comp plan whereas the comp plan

10:45 ↗ is going to be an overview of all of

10:46 ↗ these elements without getting into the

10:48 ↗ strategies and financing correct

10:50 ↗ thank you yeah it's very difficult to

10:54 ↗ define the implementation without saying

10:56 ↗ oh here's an actual goal and policy

10:59 ↗ this is how we're going to implement it

11:00 ↗ and so there's going to be overlap

11:02 ↗ between these functional plans and

11:04 ↗ what's in the comprehensive plan there's

11:05 ↗ no way to really avoid that but at the

11:07 ↗ same time we don't want to put too much

11:09 ↗ detail of why this is our vision or

11:10 ↗ goals and policies and these functional

11:12 ↗ plans because that's really what the

11:14 ↗ comprehensive plan is supposed to do

11:15 ↗ because it's you it's strategically

11:17 ↗ trying to coordinate all the different

11:19 ↗ elements so that everything fits within

11:21 ↗ that framework of what our growth and

11:24 ↗ land use is supposed to look like all

11:26 ↗ right thank you commissioner has some

11:27 ↗ later

11:28 ↗ and tonight we're focused on the

11:30 ↗ comprehensive plan and then after that

11:33 ↗ you move into the functional plan and

11:35 ↗ then

11:36 ↗ so so tonight and for the very near

11:40 ↗ foreseeable future we're mostly just

11:43 ↗ focusing on the comprehensive plan we'll

11:45 ↗ have discussion about these functional

11:47 ↗ plans because I I think that helps with

11:48 ↗ some of the conversation yeah but we're

11:50 ↗ primarily just focusing on updating the

11:52 ↗ comprehensive plan okay thank you

11:58 ↗ any other questions on process

12:01 ↗ okay

12:05 ↗ so there's two types of updates for the

12:07 ↗ comprehensive plan we're currently going

12:09 ↗ to go through our periodic update which

12:11 ↗ occasion which typically happens every

12:13 ↗ eight years

12:15 ↗ um recently and there's a little arrow

12:18 ↗ pointing to a 10 on the screen because

12:20 ↗ the state just changed the rules on when

12:23 ↗ the periodic update is supposed to

12:24 ↗ happen from every eight years to

12:26 ↗ actually now every 10 years and part of

12:29 ↗ that change requires some uh some type

12:31 ↗ of monitoring report that goes to the

12:33 ↗ state every five years to show how

12:35 ↗ progress is going towards implementation

12:38 ↗ and so that'll change a little bit how

12:40 ↗ we're going to be doing these updates as

12:42 ↗ well as coming to you with how we want

12:43 ↗ to approach the updates in the coming

12:45 ↗ years

12:46 ↗ um what's optional for our updates is

12:49 ↗ annual updates to the comprehensive plan

12:52 ↗ the city has caused fairly unique in

12:54 ↗ terms of we don't just do minor updates

12:56 ↗ on an annual basis we we tend to update

12:59 ↗ entire elements or we tend to update

13:01 ↗ larger components of the comprehensive

13:04 ↗ plan with our updates so our our

13:06 ↗ comprehensive plan is fairly up to date

13:08 ↗ in terms of what we want in our land use

13:11 ↗ and growth and updates when it relates

13:14 ↗ to sustainability or mobility and master

13:16 ↗ plan or parks and so that's what I'll

13:20 ↗ get into next in terms of the functional

13:22 ↗ plans that play into how we're updating

13:25 ↗ the comprehensive plan

13:28 ↗ it it it changes how we approach each of

13:31 ↗ the different elements so on the top

13:33 ↗ level I show minor updates for the

13:36 ↗ translation element as it relates to the

13:38 ↗ mobility master plan the sustainability

13:41 ↗ goals and policies that relates to the

13:43 ↗ climate action plan and the Human

13:45 ↗ Services goals and policies as it

13:47 ↗ relates to the Human Services strategic

13:49 ↗ plan these are all recently updated

13:52 ↗ plans that updated all the goals and

13:55 ↗ policies so all we're doing is going

13:57 ↗ through those plans and making sure the

14:00 ↗ comprehensive plan is consistent while

14:02 ↗ they did go through those efforts when

14:04 ↗ those plans were updated we just want to

14:06 ↗ make sure since we're having to do the

14:08 ↗ periodic update that it is consistent

14:10 ↗ that there is some realistic viewpoints

14:13 ↗ on how we Implement what was adopted as

14:16 ↗ part of those plans especially as we're

14:18 ↗ now taking another look at land use and

14:19 ↗ growth

14:22 ↗ and then before I move on actually are

14:24 ↗ there any questions

14:27 ↗ commissioner Milligan

14:29 ↗ in looking

14:31 ↗ a functional plans and the ones that are

14:33 ↗ scheduled for 2023. do they come before

14:36 ↗ or after the update to the comp plan of

14:40 ↗ the element that's corresponding

14:42 ↗ the the ones that are highlighted for

14:45 ↗ 2023 will come before the comprehensive

14:47 ↗ plan is done and so what will happen is

14:49 ↗ once those get adopted

14:52 ↗ or or potentially adopted as part of the

14:54 ↗ comprehensive plan but finish before the

14:56 ↗ comprehensive plan is done those will

14:58 ↗ will just make sure that's incorporated

15:00 ↗ as part of the conference Plan update

15:03 ↗ so can I follow up uh so I'm just kind

15:05 ↗ of curious how the interaction is there

15:07 ↗ for consistency and and which informs

15:10 ↗ which and which you know is there some

15:12 ↗ kind of Premium preeminence of one or

15:14 ↗ the other in instructing the outcome of

15:17 ↗ the other it it seems it seems backward

15:21 ↗ but when I go back to my comment of how

15:24 ↗ these plan the functional plans get put

15:25 ↗ together or updated they start with

15:28 ↗ what's in the comprehensive plan on the

15:30 ↗ goals and policies and revisits how we

15:32 ↗ want to change the goals and policies we

15:34 ↗ just now have to go through the process

15:36 ↗ which is a more formal process for

15:38 ↗ updating the comprehensive plan to be

15:39 ↗ consistent

15:46 ↗ please feel free as Steven mentioned

15:49 ↗ earlier this is our time to ask

15:50 ↗ questions again we'll have plenty of

15:51 ↗ time to ask questions once we start

15:53 ↗ digging into this but tonight's all

15:55 ↗ about just

15:57 ↗ finding out what we're going to be doing

15:58 ↗ for I believe the next year to 14 months

16:01 ↗ so we all get a fresh start here

16:05 ↗ And to clarify it won't be the only

16:06 ↗ thing you're doing but it is one of the

16:08 ↗ bigger projects

16:09 ↗ thank you

16:13 ↗ okay I'll keep going so with the to

16:17 ↗ start with the second line where there's

16:19 ↗ the moderate updates that is really

16:20 ↗ looking at the master plans that have

16:22 ↗ started prior to the comp plan process

16:24 ↗ uh even starting and so we're just

16:27 ↗ catching up to the discussions that have

16:29 ↗ gone through into those master plan

16:31 ↗ updates or developments and making sure

16:35 ↗ the comprehensive plan is now consistent

16:36 ↗ and then it's the same will be said for

16:39 ↗ the economic Vitality plan the parks and

16:41 ↗ housing

16:42 ↗ straight housing strategy

16:45 ↗ action plan is making sure that we now

16:49 ↗ have these policies discussions as part

16:51 ↗ of the comprehensive plan that will now

16:53 ↗ influence what those plant updates look

16:55 ↗ like so every element is going to be

16:58 ↗ kind of taking its own little different

17:00 ↗ timeline depending on where they're at

17:02 ↗ in the update of the goals and policies

17:05 ↗ for those topics

17:09 ↗ please thank you student so I'm still

17:12 ↗ getting kind of hung up on the um the

17:14 ↗ sequencing and which informs which

17:16 ↗ because I'm thinking of the

17:17 ↗ comprehensive plan as being the what the

17:19 ↗ goals and the mission and the vision and

17:22 ↗ then the other is the more detailed

17:24 ↗ which seems subordinate to the

17:25 ↗ comprehensive plan so if you're having

17:28 ↗ the action plan

17:31 ↗ being based on the older version of the

17:34 ↗ comp plan while we're updating it seems

17:36 ↗ like they're going to fall out of sync

17:37 ↗ that's my first question and the other

17:39 ↗ is are we updating these action plans or

17:42 ↗ who is updating the action plans so when

17:45 ↗ it comes to the economic Vitality

17:47 ↗ that'll be updated with the economic

17:49 ↗ Economic Development Group with economic

17:51 ↗ Vitality commission and the park

17:54 ↗ strategic plan with the Parks Board

17:56 ↗ okay and so then can you speak to

17:59 ↗ we have a comprehensive plan now it's

18:02 ↗ informing these action plans and we are

18:04 ↗ going to update the comprehensive plan

18:06 ↗ how are they going to stay in sync

18:09 ↗ well so um the reason why it's it's it

18:13 ↗ seems backwards for how get things get

18:16 ↗ updated is because we can only update

18:17 ↗ the conference plan at least once a year

18:19 ↗ and if we wanted to update them every

18:22 ↗ time we were to change a goal or policy

18:25 ↗ it would be multiple times a year and so

18:27 ↗ that's why we need to go through the

18:29 ↗ master planning process for each of

18:31 ↗ these different topics or whatever

18:32 ↗ they're calling their plans and then you

18:35 ↗ go through the discussions of how you

18:36 ↗ want to update the goals and policies

18:38 ↗ and then you do it all and then you make

18:40 ↗ the update the conference fund all

18:41 ↗ together once those discussions have

18:43 ↗ been added

18:47 ↗ yeah so if I if I think I'm think I'm

18:50 ↗ there so as these functional plans are

18:53 ↗ being updated you actually are going

18:54 ↗ through the process of having the

18:55 ↗ conversations about updated goals and

18:57 ↗ policies correct just because formalized

19:00 ↗ in the comprehensive plan process at

19:02 ↗ that one point correct across all that

19:05 ↗ makes sense

19:06 ↗ yes okay yes

19:12 ↗ and when it comes to what's required by

19:14 ↗ the state they have to match

19:16 ↗ so that is part of the process with uh

19:20 ↗ that I'll get into later is there is a

19:21 ↗ certification process with our

19:24 ↗ Metropolitan planning organization psrc

19:26 ↗ as well as with the state

19:31 ↗ can I ask you a question that's not

19:33 ↗ quite

19:34 ↗ um related to this but kind of is just

19:36 ↗ on the update process so is there so I

19:39 ↗ thought our current comprehensive plan

19:40 ↗ is through 2035 does that then get I

19:44 ↗ think is that right you gave me a okay

19:45 ↗ yes um does that then get pushed eight

19:48 ↗ years or is it in 2035 then we do like a

19:52 ↗ big

19:53 ↗ I don't know if it's some other type of

19:54 ↗ update we'll be planning it for the next

19:56 ↗ growth targets which will go to 2044.

19:58 ↗ all right

20:00 ↗ um

20:01 ↗ and

20:02 ↗ I'll go into more about that a little

20:04 ↗ bit later because there is a little bit

20:05 ↗ confusion about that

20:07 ↗ any other questions before I move on

20:11 ↗ okay

20:13 ↗ so with this update we we're looking at

20:15 ↗ three different layers of updates for

20:17 ↗ the comprehensive plan we're looking at

20:19 ↗ compliance with the state and any other

20:21 ↗ change regulations from the county we're

20:23 ↗ looking at coordination across the board

20:24 ↗ in terms of making sure that each of the

20:27 ↗ elements are actually coordinating with

20:29 ↗ each other and that they align with our

20:32 ↗ land use and growth projections and the

20:35 ↗ design of the conference plan one thing

20:38 ↗ that has been a gripe for several people

20:41 ↗ is is the accessibility of our

20:44 ↗ comprehensive plan is very hard to find

20:45 ↗ and when you find it you don't actually

20:47 ↗ know that you have it so we want to make

20:50 ↗ sure that people can actually access the

20:52 ↗ comprehensive plan and that it's a

20:54 ↗ usable tool for staff as well as the

20:56 ↗ community and so that's one of the big

20:58 ↗ goals out of this project is making sure

21:01 ↗ that we are designing this well

21:05 ↗ so on the topic of compliance is

21:08 ↗ with the growth management act there

21:10 ↗ have been recent updates that house bill

21:12 ↗ 1220 is a a recent

21:16 ↗ legislation that requires a new elements

21:20 ↗ to be or new portions to be required

21:22 ↗ into the housing element

21:24 ↗ and we'll have more discussions on what

21:26 ↗ that means

21:27 ↗ um in the next in the coming months and

21:29 ↗ then we also have updated growth targets

21:31 ↗ that'll go to 2044.

21:34 ↗ now the confusing part with this is we

21:36 ↗ have to be consistent with the regional

21:37 ↗ Vision which goes to 2050 but our growth

21:41 ↗ targets are actually for 2044 and so all

21:44 ↗ that means with 20 Vision 2050 is we

21:47 ↗ have to be consistent with the regional

21:48 ↗ policies that's all don't get too

21:50 ↗ confused by the date which is different

21:52 ↗ and then the King County

21:55 ↗ um the planning policies that is where

21:59 ↗ there is kind of a trickle effect from

22:01 ↗ the state in terms of like how the

22:03 ↗ growth projections might change and

22:04 ↗ that's what we got to be consistent with

22:06 ↗ with our land use chapter

22:09 ↗ any questions on compliance

22:17 ↗ now for coordination like I said we want

22:20 ↗ to make sure that all these different

22:21 ↗ elements since they're they're getting

22:24 ↗ updated or developed at different

22:25 ↗ timelines we want to make sure through

22:27 ↗ this periodic update they're consistent

22:29 ↗ with each other and they coordinate and

22:31 ↗ that they complement each other and that

22:33 ↗ they support our land use and our growth

22:35 ↗ projections because if they don't the

22:38 ↗ certification process and the

22:40 ↗ discussions with the state will be

22:41 ↗ fairly difficult because that's what

22:43 ↗ they're really looking for

22:51 ↗ and design design for the comprehensive

22:54 ↗ plan like I said we want to make sure

22:55 ↗ the comprehensive plan is accessible and

22:57 ↗ it works with the performance metrics

23:00 ↗ the city is defined for how we are

23:02 ↗ progressing as a city and so the city of

23:05 ↗ Redmond's website has put an example

23:07 ↗ that you should be able to go to some

23:10 ↗ type of online

23:12 ↗ location with our comprehensive plan and

23:15 ↗ right there in front of you should be

23:16 ↗ the conference plan and it should be

23:18 ↗ easy to find the vision it should be

23:20 ↗ easy to figure out where the goals and

23:22 ↗ policies Branch out for any particular

23:25 ↗ topic and it should be a fairly easy

23:28 ↗ experience for navigating what the city

23:31 ↗ is doing and how it's going to do it

23:34 ↗ so we are going to be working with a

23:36 ↗ consultant to come up with different

23:37 ↗ options for how to make this accessible

23:39 ↗ but also a tool for the city as it

23:42 ↗ relates to the work that we're doing on

23:45 ↗ the ground in terms of like the city

23:46 ↗ budget the projects that are going out

23:48 ↗ in the city as well as the programs that

23:50 ↗ staff manage

23:53 ↗ any questions on design

23:57 ↗ a quick question for you on design

23:59 ↗ Steven as far as that you guys are

24:01 ↗ working with a consultant is that

24:02 ↗ something that's going to be brought or

24:04 ↗ is that something you guys are going to

24:05 ↗ do internally as staff

24:08 ↗ everything that we change with the

24:10 ↗ conference plan will be bringing to the

24:12 ↗ planning call Planning Commission okay

24:15 ↗ thank you

24:19 ↗ any other questions

24:25 ↗ so another new update that you can

24:27 ↗ expect through the comprehensive plan uh

24:29 ↗ periodic update is that we're going to

24:31 ↗ be creating a new environment chapter

24:32 ↗ and what this will look like is actually

24:35 ↗ splitting the land the existing land use

24:37 ↗ chapter into two and then working with

24:39 ↗ the environmental board on if there's

24:41 ↗ anything that should be different so

24:43 ↗ when we adopted the climate action plan

24:46 ↗ a few years ago we incorporated all the

24:49 ↗ sustainability elements into the land

24:51 ↗ use chapter as well as some of the other

24:53 ↗ elements in the comprehensive plan but

24:55 ↗ that really made a really large land use

24:57 ↗ element and because of the complex

25:01 ↗ nature of a lot of the

25:04 ↗ environment related policies and goals

25:06 ↗ it doesn't make sense to us to keep that

25:08 ↗ as part of the land use when it's not

25:10 ↗ necessarily land use goals and policies

25:12 ↗ and so we actually want to separate that

25:14 ↗ out so that it's clear in terms of what

25:16 ↗ our sustainability goals what our

25:18 ↗ climate action goals what are any other

25:21 ↗ environmental related goals that are

25:23 ↗ more of a standalone as part of the

25:25 ↗ Standalone element rather than

25:27 ↗ um

25:28 ↗ in as part of the land use element now

25:31 ↗ if there's Mobility related

25:34 ↗ sustainability goals or if there's Parks

25:36 ↗ related climate action goals that's

25:39 ↗ going to stay in the Parks or the

25:40 ↗ mobility element because it is more

25:42 ↗ specific to those elements but if it is

25:45 ↗ really only about the environment or

25:48 ↗ anything that doesn't influence or

25:51 ↗ direct provide guidance for any of the

25:54 ↗ other elements and then it'll go in the

25:56 ↗ environment element

26:00 ↗ is there any questions on that

26:03 ↗ and we'll probably have some overlapping

26:05 ↗ conversations with the planning policy

26:07 ↗ commission as well as the environmental

26:08 ↗ board

26:10 ↗ right just to follow up that with that

26:12 ↗ Stephen so one of the things that uh

26:14 ↗ what I noticed when we were doing the

26:15 ↗ title 18 update is the idea is to pull

26:18 ↗ those apart is because land use and I

26:20 ↗ think you and I have had this

26:21 ↗ conversation before is because it's much

26:23 ↗ more than just environmental it's also

26:25 ↗ economic it's how we use our land for

26:28 ↗ everyone here not just about creating

26:30 ↗ regulations and

26:32 ↗ broader borders and things like this for

26:35 ↗ specific critical areas so the idea is

26:37 ↗ to pull those two apart

26:39 ↗ okay

26:41 ↗ yeah and and it's not to say like one is

26:43 ↗ more important than the other it's

26:44 ↗ primarily just uh transparency of what

26:47 ↗ we're doing most people don't know that

26:49 ↗ our sustainability goals are in our land

26:51 ↗ use element and so just being able to

26:53 ↗ separate them out makes it a much more

26:54 ↗ usable plan

26:59 ↗ any other questions on this one okay

27:02 ↗ the other big discussions that we're

27:04 ↗ going to be having with the commission

27:05 ↗ is on neighborhood boundaries and

27:07 ↗ neighborhood planning uh this is

27:08 ↗ something that the city has discussed

27:10 ↗ for several years in terms of being able

27:12 ↗ to develop a neighborhood plan for each

27:13 ↗ of the city neighborhoods but it's not

27:16 ↗ very clear in the comprehensive plan how

27:18 ↗ we're going to do that so we're going to

27:19 ↗ have that conversation with this update

27:21 ↗ what is neighborhood planning look like

27:23 ↗ what what are the goals and policies

27:25 ↗ behind it how do we want to approach

27:27 ↗ each of the neighborhood plants and

27:29 ↗ develop a template so that when we start

27:31 ↗ developing neighborhood plans we have

27:33 ↗ something moving forward from with

27:35 ↗ guidance from the comprehensive plan on

27:37 ↗ how best to do that

27:41 ↗ and if you look in the existing

27:43 ↗ comprehensive plan now you won't even

27:44 ↗ find a neighborhood map you'll find the

27:47 ↗ sub area map which is on your screen so

27:49 ↗ what we need to now talk about is

27:51 ↗ establishing a neighborhood map in the

27:54 ↗ in the comprehensive plan

28:00 ↗ this question you'd like me to YouTube

28:01 ↗ what's the difference between a sub area

28:02 ↗ and a neighborhood uh the title

28:08 ↗ Kristen did you want to add anything on

28:10 ↗ this one

28:11 ↗ did I also wanted to note that right now

28:14 ↗ even the sub area map as we're calling

28:16 ↗ it isn't right

28:18 ↗ um you know things like Central Issaquah

28:20 ↗ changed we annexed the King County donut

28:21 ↗ which still shows up in there so there

28:24 ↗ are some areas that aren't even in there

28:26 ↗ um and then some people think that the

28:28 ↗ neighborhoods map people identify better

28:29 ↗ with that one so it's a matter of

28:31 ↗ talking to people and seeing where

28:32 ↗ people really belong here and and Jason

28:36 ↗ you may remember and Joy would remember

28:37 ↗ that a few years ago we talked about

28:40 ↗ revisiting some of the boundaries

28:42 ↗ um for Central and Old Town

28:45 ↗ um once the standards were done

28:47 ↗ so just just looking at things like that

28:49 ↗ that haven't been touched in a long time

28:58 ↗ any other questions on this one

29:01 ↗ uh this is commissioner

29:03 ↗ um will these boundaries affect also

29:06 ↗ like school zones as well

29:10 ↗ no so the school zones have their own uh

29:14 ↗ boundaries when it comes to how like the

29:16 ↗ school bus routes or what where students

29:19 ↗ attend schools and that's managed by the

29:21 ↗ school district okay

29:24 ↗ may I jump in one one more time yes

29:27 ↗ please this is Kristen Leeson senior

29:29 ↗ planner um I had a call several years

29:31 ↗ ago from someone when we were talking

29:33 ↗ about boundaries and

29:35 ↗ they thought that boundaries also are

29:38 ↗ where

29:39 ↗ Council prioritized capital projects or

29:41 ↗ where they spent their money and I just

29:43 ↗ want to be clear that that's not it

29:44 ↗ either these are simply neighborhood

29:47 ↗ boundaries that are used

29:50 ↗ for planning purposes so that we know

29:52 ↗ where things are being built and we look

29:54 ↗ at populations in those areas and that

29:55 ↗ kind of thing but also just where people

29:58 ↗ relate to where they live you know I

30:00 ↗ live in this neighborhood as well now

30:02 ↗ call them so anyway I just as well since

30:05 ↗ you asked about the School boundary I

30:06 ↗ thought other things may come up as well

30:07 ↗ so I wanted to be clear that no it

30:09 ↗ doesn't affect any of those things

30:14 ↗ thank you Kristen any other questions on

30:17 ↗ neighborhood planning and those

30:18 ↗ discussions to come

30:22 ↗ right

30:23 ↗ so for the engagement

30:25 ↗ um like I said a lot of the different

30:27 ↗ elements are going to be going on there

30:29 ↗ on different tracks but we are going to

30:32 ↗ be engaging all the different boards and

30:33 ↗ commissions as part of this project

30:35 ↗ because it's such a big project but not

30:38 ↗ so big like Title 18 where you're going

30:40 ↗ to be tackling everything but you're

30:42 ↗ going to be talking your more specific

30:43 ↗ topics and and each of the poison

30:45 ↗ commissions will be doing the same we

30:48 ↗ will be having interest interest group

30:50 ↗ conversations and going out to community

30:52 ↗ groups and having conversations as it

30:54 ↗ relates to the conference plan and these

30:56 ↗ topics and bringing that to you as part

30:58 ↗ of this process but we're not going to

31:01 ↗ go out or our team is not going to go

31:03 ↗ out and talk to different Community

31:04 ↗ groups about parks and

31:07 ↗ economic Vitality that's going to be up

31:10 ↗ to the economic Vitality team and the

31:13 ↗ parks team and we're going to coordinate

31:15 ↗ as much as we can because as you can

31:16 ↗ imagine it's going to be a lot of

31:18 ↗ community engagement fatigue and we want

31:21 ↗ to try to minimize that as much as

31:23 ↗ possible

31:25 ↗ so in my questions is are there things

31:29 ↗ that you're looking for this is also

31:30 ↗ specific to this is is there any

31:33 ↗ um methodologies of Engagement or

31:36 ↗ anything that you would like to see in

31:37 ↗ terms of the information you want from

31:38 ↗ the community

31:45 ↗ I don't know if this is a direct answer

31:47 ↗ to that question but um

31:50 ↗ I see the equity board on there kind of

31:53 ↗ applying Equity policies throughout and

31:55 ↗ assuming that one of the goals of this

31:57 ↗ update is to ensure that we have a plan

31:59 ↗ that is equitable

32:01 ↗ um and fair and just

32:03 ↗ um

32:04 ↗ it strikes me that like that needs to be

32:06 ↗ at the Forefront of all of these

32:08 ↗ conversations and not just something

32:09 ↗ that the equity board does and goes and

32:11 ↗ like sticks you know an equity policy

32:14 ↗ um into each one of these

32:16 ↗ um elements so I'm curious just what how

32:19 ↗ that will look

32:20 ↗ um and evolve because I think it needs

32:21 ↗ to be something that's embedded

32:22 ↗ throughout and not just kind of the

32:25 ↗ equity board is tasked with

32:28 ↗ that's a great question thank you

32:30 ↗ um so we plan to look at each of the

32:33 ↗ different elements on how to incorporate

32:35 ↗ new policies as released to equity and

32:37 ↗ Equitable access to uh to city services

32:39 ↗ and amenities the city is in development

32:43 ↗ of what they're calling an equity

32:44 ↗ framework to help provide that lens but

32:47 ↗ it's not going to be ready by the time

32:49 ↗ this project is going to be done and so

32:51 ↗ we are going to be doing some

32:53 ↗ preliminary looks as it relates to

32:54 ↗ equity and then doing more analysis

32:56 ↗ later once that Equity framework is

32:58 ↗ available

33:00 ↗ and that's something that the equity

33:01 ↗ board is also helping with

33:09 ↗ commissioner

33:10 ↗ Mulligan I do want to hear from share a

33:12 ↗ voice about economic Vitality I thought

33:15 ↗ you might have something to say there

33:16 ↗ but I have something related and that is

33:19 ↗ how do we look at

33:21 ↗ the sustainability in a different the

33:25 ↗ different like economic sustainability

33:27 ↗ for the city so one thing that we talk

33:30 ↗ about is the tax base or you know how we

33:33 ↗ distribute certain objectives or even

33:37 ↗ land use decisions and how they impact

33:39 ↗ our revenues how do we do that how do we

33:43 ↗ know we're going the right direction in

33:45 ↗ that way

33:47 ↗ it depends on the conversations we have

33:49 ↗ with those interest groups so we'll

33:51 ↗ likely if those topics come up in our

33:55 ↗ commission meetings we'll probably have

33:56 ↗ joint discussions with economic Vitality

33:58 ↗ commission to kind of tackle some of

34:00 ↗ those topics because it's not something

34:01 ↗ that staff can tell you what how best to

34:05 ↗ achieve is it's got to be able to be

34:07 ↗ achieving what each of the community

34:09 ↗ groups are also looking for

34:11 ↗ so that's something that we'll be kind

34:12 ↗ of tackling throughout the project as we

34:15 ↗ go through each of the various topics

34:20 ↗ thank you I think that'll be wonderful

34:22 ↗ and I guess my request might be to as we

34:26 ↗ go into each element you know thinking

34:28 ↗ about how aspirational we can all be and

34:31 ↗ to find a way to fine-tune our

34:35 ↗ policies in a way that's sustainable say

34:39 ↗ for instance

34:40 ↗ um

34:42 ↗ we wish to incorporate some kind of

34:45 ↗ infrastructure that would create a huge

34:48 ↗ cost burden maybe it's a storm water

34:50 ↗ infrastructure I don't know what it is

34:52 ↗ but it's something that becomes a

34:53 ↗ municipal asset or something and then

34:56 ↗ that becomes

34:58 ↗ that would be too specific but yeah do

35:01 ↗ you know where I'm going here is is to

35:02 ↗ kind of keep us off the rails from from

35:04 ↗ being aspirational to a point that we

35:06 ↗ cannot fulfill it over the long term as

35:09 ↗ we go through the project and do kind of

35:11 ↗ our analysis of each of the policies

35:13 ↗ we'll be doing our reality check staff

35:15 ↗ will be doing that reality check

35:16 ↗ throughout the project of saying you

35:18 ↗ know do we do we want green

35:21 ↗ infrastructure as it relates to storm

35:23 ↗ water management great this is how we

35:25 ↗ can achieve that but if we are wanting

35:27 ↗ specific saying we want a storm water

35:29 ↗ Vault Under every Park in the city

35:31 ↗ you're going to be being very specific

35:33 ↗ that we're like well

35:35 ↗ this is how much that costs and do we do

35:39 ↗ we really want to make that a priority

35:40 ↗ and have that conversation with you

35:42 ↗ saying well here's these other options

35:44 ↗ we can consider at a higher level policy

35:46 ↗ level

35:51 ↗ any other questions on

35:54 ↗ and and one thing I do want to know and

35:57 ↗ I I appreciate the question on this is

36:00 ↗ because all the different topics are

36:02 ↗ being tackled by all the different

36:04 ↗ Boards of commissions

36:06 ↗ the planning policy commission won't be

36:08 ↗ able to cover all every line

36:10 ↗ that they're going to be doing

36:12 ↗ we're hoping to bring you the land use

36:14 ↗ related conversations as it relates to

36:16 ↗ those elements because that's within

36:18 ↗ this commission's purview but we won't

36:20 ↗ be able to bring you everything and so I

36:22 ↗ just want to make sure that expectations

36:23 ↗ thereof we won't be able to say

36:27 ↗ all the economic Vitality policies but

36:31 ↗ we will want to work with economic

36:32 ↗ Vitality commission as it relates to

36:34 ↗ land use policies right and I think I

36:36 ↗ think that might be getting to the heart

36:37 ↗ of the matter is what is our lane as far

36:40 ↗ as the planning policy Commission

36:41 ↗ because again the way first of all the

36:44 ↗ entire project is basically a 30 000

36:46 ↗ foot view again we're talking about

36:48 ↗ visions and goals we're not talking

36:50 ↗ about particular strategies and then

36:52 ↗ second I think it'll be helpful for this

36:54 ↗ conversation and also going forward as

36:55 ↗ to you know know what the planning

36:57 ↗ policy rules is in this one of the

36:59 ↗ questions I was going to have for you is

37:00 ↗ how are we going to be working with

37:02 ↗ other boards to your point the

37:03 ↗ environmental board is going to take the

37:05 ↗ lead on their element

37:06 ↗ doesn't mean we probably won't have some

37:08 ↗ crosstalk or even possibly a joint

37:10 ↗ meeting but ultimately I think and tell

37:12 ↗ me if I'm wrong Stephen the idea is for

37:15 ↗ us is wherever land use is involved

37:17 ↗ that's going to come directly to the

37:18 ↗ planning policy

37:19 ↗ um like that's why I asked the design

37:21 ↗ question too because that really doesn't

37:22 ↗ fall under on any board so I would

37:25 ↗ imagine that might even come to us too

37:27 ↗ but it's really more about how's the

37:29 ↗ land used into commissioner Milligan's

37:31 ↗ Point um you know that's one thing that

37:33 ↗ I'm looking forward to because again we

37:35 ↗ just spent over a year talking about

37:37 ↗ environmental constraints for land use

37:39 ↗ which is good it's appropriate but

37:42 ↗ there's also the part that I didn't feel

37:44 ↗ we got enough time to talk about which

37:45 ↗ is one you know we have to be careful

37:47 ↗ about what we tell people they can do

37:48 ↗ with their land and two also the

37:50 ↗ economic impacts that our decisions up

37:53 ↗ here have on people's land because again

37:55 ↗ that was one part of the conversation

37:57 ↗ and again after having conversations

37:59 ↗ with staff I get it it's not what we

38:01 ↗ were focused on during the title 18

38:02 ↗ update because we were dealing with

38:04 ↗ critical areas and things like that

38:06 ↗ But ultimately there is another side to

38:08 ↗ that coin which is you know are we you

38:12 ↗ know I'm not won't use examples that

38:14 ↗ wouldn't be appropriate but uh are we

38:16 ↗ are we making it difficult for people to

38:18 ↗ use their land appropriately to get the

38:21 ↗ biggest economic impact from it

38:23 ↗ and that was some of the conflict I had

38:26 ↗ previous months but I think that would

38:29 ↗ be helpful Stephen it's just kind of

38:30 ↗ letting the planning policy know what's

38:32 ↗ going to be expected from us and it

38:34 ↗ might be in one of your slides coming up

38:35 ↗ so I don't want to steal your thunder

38:36 ↗ but that I think is is kind of driving

38:39 ↗ the matter what are we going to be doing

38:40 ↗ up here

38:43 ↗ for the most part I'm covering kind of

38:46 ↗ how the the scope of how the planning

38:50 ↗ policy commission will be involved in

38:51 ↗ this project throughout the all the

38:53 ↗ slides but for the most part you're

38:54 ↗ correct it's it's primarily going to be

38:56 ↗ discussing a lot of the land use and

38:57 ↗ growth discussions uh we'll be bringing

39:00 ↗ the website or the design of the

39:02 ↗ comprehensive plan to you but we'll also

39:04 ↗ be bringing that to the other boards of

39:05 ↗ commissions as well because it impacts

39:06 ↗ them and so there will be we'll be kind

39:09 ↗ of looking at it comprehensively of

39:11 ↗ which policies impact which boards and

39:14 ↗ commissions and having those discussions

39:15 ↗ with them keeping in mind PPC only meets

39:19 ↗ twice a month

39:21 ↗ um the other boards of commissions meet

39:23 ↗ maybe once a month and so making sure

39:25 ↗ that we're also not overloading you with

39:27 ↗ too many projects there might be

39:30 ↗ consideration of subcommittees of boards

39:32 ↗ commissions to tackle kind of those

39:33 ↗ bigger topics so those questions will

39:36 ↗ also come to you of do you want to dive

39:39 ↗ into this more or do you want to defer

39:40 ↗ to another board commission to provide

39:42 ↗ the recommendation on those topics right

39:44 ↗ I think something that you know just

39:46 ↗ from my memory in the last two years

39:48 ↗ which again I I think is great for the

39:51 ↗ city it's helpful to planning policy but

39:53 ↗ I think for people that maybe either

39:56 ↗ don't know this is planning policy also

39:58 ↗ seeded some of their responsibilities to

39:59 ↗ create new boards so prior to 2020 we

40:03 ↗ didn't have an equity board I don't

40:04 ↗ think we had a standalone environmental

40:06 ↗ board so more of those issues were

40:07 ↗ coming here in a very broad roundabout

40:10 ↗ way the planning policy like you said

40:13 ↗ those new boards were created so some of

40:14 ↗ those responsibilities that we

40:16 ↗ originally had in 2018 have now been

40:18 ↗ seated to new boards and commissions

40:20 ↗ so learning to play well with uh our

40:23 ↗ other boards and commissions but yeah I

40:25 ↗ think so and I know Vice chair Bader had

40:27 ↗ a comment because I see you're going for

40:28 ↗ the microphone one thing about this free

40:30 ↗ wheeling conversation If people could

40:31 ↗ please remember to introduce themselves

40:33 ↗ it will help our secretary with the

40:36 ↗ minutes

40:39 ↗ Vice chair

40:40 ↗ here

40:41 ↗ um going back to the like how do we stay

40:44 ↗ on the rails piece in my mind and

40:47 ↗ correct me if I'm wrong here that some

40:49 ↗ of that is kind of like bounded for us

40:51 ↗ by like the vision then goals then

40:53 ↗ policy and piece on my when I think

40:55 ↗ about this the vision is that place to

40:57 ↗ be big and bold right it's it's what we

41:00 ↗ want to achieve

41:01 ↗ um kind of holistically right across

41:03 ↗ these elements and then that can get

41:05 ↗ narrowed down right and so by X date we

41:07 ↗ want to accomplish this to get to that

41:10 ↗ vision and so I think I'm excited for

41:12 ↗ the vision conversation I'm curious what

41:14 ↗ that's going to look like

41:15 ↗ um because as I've sat in those before

41:17 ↗ you know that's where like the ideas can

41:18 ↗ start flowing and then you know what do

41:20 ↗ we actually want the city to look like

41:22 ↗ you know as it relates to this element

41:25 ↗ um and like go to some of those moonshot

41:28 ↗ sort of places and so I don't know if

41:29 ↗ it's structured that way or if I'm

41:31 ↗ thinking of this right and then bound it

41:34 ↗ by the goals and the policies it will be

41:36 ↗ but we'll also be writing providing you

41:37 ↗ some data so what are our growth

41:39 ↗ projections what what does zoning look

41:41 ↗ like now what is how does growth been

41:43 ↗ changing in the city more recently have

41:46 ↗ those conversations of how the city has

41:48 ↗ been kind of forming to then take

41:50 ↗ another look at the vision to see do is

41:52 ↗ do we need to make any changes is it

41:54 ↗ actually say exactly what do we want to

41:56 ↗ do and have the conversation of do we

41:58 ↗ want to make that conversation or do we

42:00 ↗ want to make that tweak that Vision a

42:01 ↗ little bit and those will be coming in

42:03 ↗ the next couple months as we talk about

42:04 ↗ housing as we talk about land use and

42:08 ↗ growth and look at what's existing on

42:10 ↗ the ground and what we see coming in the

42:12 ↗ in the short term as well as the long

42:14 ↗ term

42:15 ↗ for data informed decisions and

42:17 ↗ visioning and then parallel to that I

42:20 ↗ should probably know the answer to this

42:21 ↗ but I don't is there like a City Mission

42:24 ↗ guiding this work or a mission for this

42:27 ↗ comprehensive planning update process

42:30 ↗ there is in that where we're trying to

42:32 ↗ make sure that the the full vision for

42:34 ↗ the city is consistent with each other

42:36 ↗ across the different elements but there

42:38 ↗ isn't

42:39 ↗ um a mission for the comprehensive plan

42:41 ↗ if that's what you're asking yeah

42:48 ↗ any other questions on

42:55 ↗ commissioner Milligan here uh to that

42:57 ↗ thank you chair Bader Vice chair Bader

43:00 ↗ um the do we get marching orders from

43:03 ↗ the city council or something that

43:07 ↗ um just the city-wide strategic plan

43:10 ↗ provide a foundation or do we provide to

43:13 ↗ that through the comprehensive plan is

43:15 ↗ the company what's just what's who's up

43:18 ↗ so looking at you know that process flow

43:21 ↗ chart

43:22 ↗ the the Citywide strategic plan kind of

43:25 ↗ sits in that area between resources and

43:27 ↗ financing implementation where it

43:29 ↗ provides the priorities from the

43:31 ↗ functional plans filtering down into how

43:35 ↗ the city budget should get how the city

43:37 ↗ budget should get put together how we

43:40 ↗ put our programs and projects together

43:42 ↗ and what gets prioritized

43:44 ↗ uh the original part of the question is

43:46 ↗ does the city council like we had with

43:48 ↗ the title 18 update we got instructions

43:51 ↗ we got a chart of of objectives and and

43:55 ↗ priorities that were given to us by the

43:57 ↗ city council do we have the same sort of

43:58 ↗ thing here it's a little bit different

44:00 ↗ with the comprehensive plan because this

44:01 ↗ is more of a Community Driven type of

44:03 ↗ project rather than the city council

44:05 ↗ saying we want the vision to look like

44:07 ↗ this it's more of what does the

44:09 ↗ Community Vision how should that change

44:11 ↗ and and some of that feedback's coming

44:13 ↗ from the planning policy commission and

44:15 ↗ so if there's direction from the um from

44:17 ↗ the council it's to make sure that the

44:19 ↗ commission has a comprehensive view of

44:22 ↗ what the vision should be

44:25 ↗ Stephen may I jump in again yes please

44:28 ↗ sorry this is Kristen Leeson senior

44:30 ↗ planner we all we also will have our

44:32 ↗ docket like we have every year we didn't

44:34 ↗ do one for 2023 because we're not doing

44:36 ↗ any comprehensive plan updates but the

44:38 ↗ docket will include a list and we hold a

44:40 ↗ public hearing with planning policy

44:42 ↗ Commission on the docket of amendments

44:44 ↗ that will be done and then that goes to

44:46 ↗ city council and city council yes it or

44:49 ↗ Nays it adds things takes things away a

44:52 ↗ lot of what's going to most of we will

44:54 ↗ absolutely have on there all of the GMA

44:57 ↗ requirements that we have to meet all of

44:59 ↗ the counting requirements that we have

45:00 ↗ to meet on the docket but then you all

45:03 ↗ may want to add things to the docket the

45:04 ↗ city council may want to add things to

45:06 ↗ the docket and then that gets approved

45:07 ↗ and that's what we work from

45:13 ↗ commissioner Sim with a I guess one

45:16 ↗ question that I have is will we have

45:18 ↗ data like historical data to help guide

45:21 ↗ us in looking at the vision forward and

45:25 ↗ because there's always that balance

45:26 ↗ between the environment and the the the

45:29 ↗ um economic vitality and whatnot because

45:31 ↗ they're both very important so that we

45:34 ↗ have a pulse of the community to know

45:37 ↗ what they're looking at going forward

45:39 ↗ like whether it's the development of

45:41 ↗ businesses and whatnot or homes in the

45:44 ↗ different land uses that

45:46 ↗ um that that that we've that we've

45:48 ↗ proposed

45:50 ↗ yes so we'll we'll have a multitude of

45:53 ↗ data available for you we don't want to

45:54 ↗ show you everything but as it relates to

45:57 ↗ land use and growth and housing we'll

46:00 ↗ have plenty of data to show you in terms

46:01 ↗ of like what the project growth

46:03 ↗ projections will be what does the

46:05 ↗ housing market look like what does uh

46:08 ↗ the different

46:09 ↗ um what do the the growth in other

46:11 ↗ cities look like within our region

46:13 ↗ because that kind of plays into the

46:14 ↗ context of what our growth protections

46:16 ↗ look like

46:17 ↗ and then also for like businesses as

46:20 ↗ well the other types of Zone in and

46:22 ↗ whatnot yeah yeah okay

46:27 ↗ any other questions on

46:32 ↗ I'm gonna find the slide I was back on

46:34 ↗ so going to the schedule

46:37 ↗ what you can expect for the early part

46:40 ↗ of this year into mid-year is at the

46:43 ↗ first phase of Engagement which is the

46:44 ↗ discussions on the vision and that'll be

46:47 ↗ talking with all the different boards

46:49 ↗ and commissions and having potentially

46:51 ↗ joint boards and commissions on what the

46:53 ↗ vision might be or if there needs to be

46:55 ↗ any particular change the second phase

46:58 ↗ will start to work into the discussions

47:01 ↗ and goals and and policies and we'll be

47:03 ↗ doing some initial work based on the

47:05 ↗ discussions on the vision to guide some

47:08 ↗ potential changes Beyond any statement

47:10 ↗ state or Regional mandates that go into

47:12 ↗ the changes and then we'll have the

47:14 ↗ public hearings in early 2024

47:17 ↗ to work into the city council adoption

47:20 ↗ process

47:21 ↗ and then once city council adopts it

47:24 ↗ then we work into the state and Regional

47:26 ↗ certification process for the

47:28 ↗ comprehensive plan

47:30 ↗ any there's a pretty high level but is

47:32 ↗ there any questions on the schedule

47:35 ↗ in the next month or so we'll have a

47:37 ↗ more detailed schedule for you but uh

47:40 ↗ the plan is to meet with the planning

47:42 ↗ Planning Development environment Council

47:45 ↗ committee uh later next month to

47:48 ↗ finalize that scope and schedule for the

47:50 ↗ project

47:53 ↗ any information that you have now would

47:56 ↗ be helpful for us as we're kind of

47:57 ↗ putting these initial planning steps

47:59 ↗ together

48:00 ↗ so getting back to the questions we have

48:03 ↗ for the commission is there any slides

48:04 ↗ you want me to go back to or um

48:07 ↗ any additional questions that we can

48:09 ↗ help answer

48:12 ↗ all right

48:13 ↗ Commissioners staff is asking for our

48:15 ↗ help so this is the opportunity and of

48:18 ↗ course you always have an opportunity to

48:20 ↗ email or call but it's always fun doing

48:23 ↗ it amongst friends so please feel free

48:27 ↗ maybe we can even do a red robin here in

48:28 ↗ a few minutes I'll start real quickly I

48:31 ↗ do have a a question as far as how

48:34 ↗ conflicts resolved if there's like a

48:36 ↗ state Target or

48:38 ↗ estate regulation or something that's

48:40 ↗ coming from the state that maybe we just

48:42 ↗ feel strongly like no watch they've got

48:44 ↗ it wrong in Olympia how what's the

48:47 ↗ recourse for something like that because

48:48 ↗ again otherwise we're we're really just

48:50 ↗ rubber stamping what Olivia wants from

48:52 ↗ us which that doesn't sound quite right

48:54 ↗ if there's a disagreement with like a

48:56 ↗ state mandate there's legal

48:59 ↗ ramifications that we have to consider

49:00 ↗ and we would have to

49:02 ↗ discuss uh most of most of the time we

49:05 ↗ would come up with other options in

49:07 ↗ terms of like how we might want to

49:08 ↗ approach it so that we could still meet

49:09 ↗ the state mandate while still trying to

49:12 ↗ go with any recommendations that might

49:14 ↗ be coming from the city so those are

49:17 ↗ discussions that kind of depend on the

49:19 ↗ topic

49:24 ↗ um my question as far as how we're going

49:26 ↗ to be working with boards I know we have

49:28 ↗ a meeting coming up with the economic

49:31 ↗ Vitality board so we can probably see

49:33 ↗ one of these once every two months with

49:36 ↗ a different board uh it's working on one

49:39 ↗ of these elements or another at any

49:40 ↗ given time correct and and there might

49:43 ↗ be even instances where we're invited to

49:45 ↗ attend another border commissions

49:46 ↗ meeting as as in contrast to them coming

49:49 ↗ always coming to our meetings do we ever

49:51 ↗ get invited we did we we did at the tail

49:55 ↗ end of the title 18 project they started

49:57 ↗ inviting us to their meetings uh rather

50:00 ↗ than them coming to ours

50:02 ↗ so we've been so we're gonna hopefully

50:05 ↗ explore that as part of the conference

50:06 ↗ Plan update

50:07 ↗ it's always fun getting asked for the

50:08 ↗ ball

50:10 ↗ but again we're trying not to overload

50:13 ↗ you with you know four meetings in a

50:15 ↗ month as well so that's part of the

50:17 ↗ consideration

50:18 ↗ appreciate it

50:20 ↗ all right we can start this round robin

50:23 ↗ in a second uh one other thing I think

50:25 ↗ as far as timeline this is going back to

50:27 ↗ I believe Vice chair Bader's question as

50:30 ↗ far as like the 2044 goals it's kind of

50:33 ↗ like the it's like the housing targets

50:36 ↗ they're always moving I mean they're

50:37 ↗ they're continually moving targets so

50:40 ↗ like you said don't get hung up on the

50:41 ↗ actual year because by the time

50:44 ↗ 2044 comes along we've already revised

50:47 ↗ this thing two or three times already

50:48 ↗ and it's just going to keep pushing that

50:50 ↗ date out it's just that it's the number

50:52 ↗ we're working with the numbers and the

50:55 ↗ data that they provide

50:56 ↗ But ultimately it's going to be reworked

50:58 ↗ two times before that and that number

51:00 ↗ will it's not like we're making this

51:02 ↗ plan and then it's it's just safe and

51:05 ↗ it's good for until 2044 it's always

51:07 ↗ continually moving correct okay

51:12 ↗ yeah

51:14 ↗ um

51:15 ↗ a lot I'm trying to formulate my

51:17 ↗ question here so this kind of gets to

51:19 ↗ like the data that we'll be given um

51:22 ↗ do we update our plans so often that

51:24 ↗ like our goals like our goal post is

51:27 ↗ constantly moving or do we know like are

51:30 ↗ we actually meeting the goals that we're

51:31 ↗ setting or do we change them before we

51:33 ↗ like get the chance to I think that'd be

51:35 ↗ like helpful information to have if you

51:38 ↗ and that that'll be some of the data

51:40 ↗ that will provide you

51:41 ↗ um you know more recently we've we've

51:43 ↗ established more performance metrics for

51:45 ↗ the city that help us take a look at how

51:47 ↗ we're actually achieving our goals yeah

51:48 ↗ it could be it'd be interesting to know

51:50 ↗ like are there things that we're really

51:51 ↗ good at as a city um and then can we

51:53 ↗ push it right going back to that like

51:55 ↗ how do we put the rails on thing like

51:56 ↗ can we push ourselves a little bit more

51:58 ↗ in the areas where we're you know

51:59 ↗ blowing our targets out of the water and

52:01 ↗ you know do we need to be more

52:02 ↗ conservative in areas where you know we

52:05 ↗ haven't historically performed as as

52:07 ↗ well compared to whatever metrics we

52:09 ↗ measure correct yeah

52:14 ↗ um this commissioner Sam would uh I

52:16 ↗ think one question with that with the

52:17 ↗ data is for like human services we we

52:20 ↗ understand that whether it's uh

52:23 ↗ treatment for certain ailments you may

52:25 ↗ not be able to get treatment let's say

52:27 ↗ in Issaquah but you may have to go to

52:29 ↗ Bellevue or Seattle

52:31 ↗ um getting data to see the population

52:33 ↗ here per se of course HIPAA laws and

52:36 ↗ whatnot

52:37 ↗ um on what would be needed to be treated

52:40 ↗ here it is a cause well I think that's a

52:42 ↗ that's one good topic for this to

52:46 ↗ develop a vision on that

52:49 ↗ you know we can look at the available

52:51 ↗ information as you indicated some

52:53 ↗ information not be available to us by

52:56 ↗ law but we can look at how our Human

52:58 ↗ Services team might look into their

53:00 ↗ operations and how they collect data and

53:02 ↗ how they kind of prioritize what they're

53:04 ↗ doing uh to influence some of our

53:06 ↗ conversations if that's what you're

53:07 ↗ looking for no very well thank you

53:15 ↗ and then it's going to be your turn

53:18 ↗ commissioner Milligan here so I have is

53:20 ↗ this my the time for my wish list yes

53:23 ↗ yeah okay here's my wish list and

53:25 ↗ Stephen you already know my wish list I

53:27 ↗ I want at the I'd like to see some of

53:30 ↗ the things that we have goals for I'd

53:33 ↗ like to see how we measure up now say in

53:35 ↗ housing mix and one of the things I'm

53:37 ↗ thinking about just as an example is

53:40 ↗ what is the proportion of middle housing

53:43 ↗ in our housing mix for instance or

53:46 ↗ affordable housing and I'd like to have

53:48 ↗ those things earlier rather than later

53:50 ↗ you know kind of a set the table thing

53:52 ↗ because they could be pervasive through

53:55 ↗ some other considerations and may take

53:57 ↗ some time to think about so that's one

54:00 ↗ and and details on affordable housing

54:02 ↗ mix of what our current inventory is so

54:05 ↗ I'd love to have those two things and

54:06 ↗ then another thing on my oh and Kristen

54:08 ↗ wants to talk is that why you're on

54:09 ↗ there and then another thing I want to

54:12 ↗ see is yeah are we going to get we got

54:14 ↗ such great help from the development

54:16 ↗ commission and this isn't usually their

54:18 ↗ thing but boy they're so good if if

54:22 ↗ they're so if there's a time that's

54:24 ↗ convenient to have them participate with

54:26 ↗ the site I'd enjoy that

54:31 ↗ Kristen go ahead

54:33 ↗ hi Kristen Leeson senior planner and I

54:36 ↗ just wanted to tell

54:37 ↗ um commissioner Milligan that should

54:39 ↗ she'll be very happy to know that the

54:41 ↗ housing report card comes out in about

54:43 ↗ March or April of every year which has

54:46 ↗ the affordable housing information and

54:47 ↗ the types of housing that we have and

54:49 ↗ all sorts of information that will help

54:51 ↗ inform the housing element

54:55 ↗ and then in the in your comment about

54:57 ↗ getting the development commission out I

54:59 ↗ think I think it's great to get uh up

55:01 ↗ particularly their technical expertise

55:03 ↗ in our conversations but again they only

55:06 ↗ meet maybe once a month so we want to be

55:08 ↗ strategic on when we invite them out or

55:10 ↗ maybe invite them to maybe a subgroup

55:12 ↗ discussion on any particular topic

55:17 ↗ yeah and and I'm just remembering my

55:19 ↗ progression as a volunteer with the city

55:21 ↗ I was about started with the land use

55:22 ↗ commission like them the Urban Village

55:24 ↗ commission and what I learned in

55:28 ↗ approving applications was that there's

55:30 ↗ stuff behind these applications policy

55:33 ↗ decisions that have made it difficult or

55:35 ↗ easier for the commission to act and so

55:37 ↗ that's why it would be a really great

55:39 ↗ way to Great to interact with them at

55:41 ↗ this time to anticipate outcomes of the

55:43 ↗ policies that we're talking about

55:45 ↗ in that way I'd especially love to have

55:47 ↗ them

55:50 ↗ okay our wish list commissioner Kennedy

55:53 ↗ um I guess the first thing is I love to

55:55 ↗ see the 30 000 30 000 foot level look at

55:58 ↗ all this and looking at the vision

56:01 ↗ um I've been in many many

56:04 ↗ um planning meetings where Vision

56:06 ↗ divulges into tactics very very quickly

56:09 ↗ so I'll love to see how you keep us on

56:11 ↗ the rails on at that higher level in the

56:14 ↗ discussion

56:16 ↗ um and then my more specific request

56:18 ↗ would be details on the growth

56:20 ↗ management act I'd really love to

56:22 ↗ understand that better

56:25 ↗ who sets what parts of it

56:27 ↗ and how we're just how all that works I

56:30 ↗ would love more details on that

56:35 ↗ I have a I have a really good response

56:37 ↗ to that but I want to make sure that I

56:38 ↗ get it to everybody's questions first

56:41 ↗ I think go ahead and answer maybe we'll

56:43 ↗ have a few more questions I'm going to

56:46 ↗ follow up tonight's meeting with

56:47 ↗ actually a couple links for the

56:48 ↗ commission to consider one is through

56:50 ↗ the Department of Commerce they actually

56:51 ↗ have a teaching series on comprehensive

56:54 ↗ plans in terms of how these are put

56:56 ↗ together how they're managed by this

56:58 ↗ data looked at by the state and what

57:00 ↗ goes into them as well as resources from

57:03 ↗ the Puget Sound Regional Council are our

57:05 ↗ regional our Metropolitan planning

57:08 ↗ organization they will be actually

57:10 ↗ having some courses in the coming months

57:12 ↗ on the comprehensive plan for

57:14 ↗ planning commissions as well as elected

57:16 ↗ officials too so you'll have two

57:18 ↗ resources coming up that help answer a

57:20 ↗ lot of many potential questions that you

57:23 ↗ might have for the comprehensive plan

57:27 ↗ but she asked about the growth

57:29 ↗ management act

57:30 ↗ um and they'll dive into the growth

57:32 ↗ management sorry

57:35 ↗ I mean aren't those usually formulated

57:37 ↗ in Committee in the state house and that

57:39 ↗ how the GMA kind of works or

57:42 ↗ committee or Consultant Group something

57:44 ↗ something to that effect yeah it goes

57:46 ↗ through the legislature that he'll get

57:47 ↗ adopted um in terms of like amendments

57:49 ↗ to the growth management Act

57:56 ↗ this is our time it's only 7 28. Kristen

58:00 ↗ did you have anything to add

58:03 ↗ that's why I popped it's Kristin leasing

58:05 ↗ senior planner again

58:07 ↗ um one thing that we had talked about I

58:09 ↗ hope this is okay if I bring this up but

58:10 ↗ one thing that we had talked about

58:11 ↗ particularly for the housing element was

58:13 ↗ to have our lobbyists come who goes to

58:17 ↗ the legislative sessions and we work

58:20 ↗ with her regularly and she watches all

58:23 ↗ these bills as they go through and all

58:25 ↗ the Amendments that are being made and

58:26 ↗ keeps track of it so she would be able

58:28 ↗ to explain too

58:30 ↗ GMA and the legislature and what they've

58:32 ↗ done each year if you all would like her

58:34 ↗ to do that that's been offered up for us

58:36 ↗ as an option and that might help you

58:38 ↗ understand a little better how these

58:39 ↗ things come about

58:42 ↗ I think I mean I don't want to speak for

58:43 ↗ everybody but I we always love guest

58:45 ↗ speakers right

58:47 ↗ yeah

58:48 ↗ I mean I know you love hearing from me

58:50 ↗ every month but uh it would be great to

58:52 ↗ have Shelley come out too especially

58:53 ↗ since we're in our current legislative

58:55 ↗ session there might be some changes that

58:57 ↗ might influence how we approach the

58:58 ↗ comprehensive plan so she can also speak

59:00 ↗ to the latest the latest legislative

59:02 ↗ agenda as well

59:06 ↗ pleasure Bader

59:08 ↗ yeah it's a theravator a couple more I

59:11 ↗ guess requests or questions on the

59:13 ↗ housing piece um

59:15 ↗ I mean I just got my property tax bill

59:18 ↗ last week that the I just think

59:21 ↗ affordability in general

59:22 ↗ um you know outside of like official

59:24 ↗ affordable housing is that something

59:26 ↗ that will be

59:28 ↗ touched on um in this housing plan or

59:31 ↗ how do we kind of account for probably

59:33 ↗ the historical data that we have is

59:35 ↗ probably not really accurate

59:37 ↗ um I don't know what the time frame of

59:38 ↗ like those report cards are but just

59:41 ↗ given what's happened

59:42 ↗ um you know in the last year in terms of

59:44 ↗ property values and the call like the

59:47 ↗ Baseline cost to move into issaquah's

59:49 ↗ crazy

59:50 ↗ um and so how do we Factor kind of that

59:52 ↗ into the conversation are we really only

59:53 ↗ talking about like 80 Ami affordable

59:57 ↗ housing um in this conversation

59:59 ↗ Kristen do you want to speak to that one

1:00:01 ↗ since you're working

1:00:04 ↗ um yeah is it

1:00:07 ↗ it will come up

1:00:09 ↗ um one of the topics that Congress has

1:00:11 ↗ not been able to settle on yet is

1:00:13 ↗ missing middle yeah they've talked about

1:00:15 ↗ different variations and that's that's

1:00:17 ↗ their attempt to address affordability

1:00:19 ↗ without

1:00:21 ↗ covenants attached to it so without the

1:00:24 ↗ 30 60 80 100

1:00:26 ↗ area median income

1:00:28 ↗ this is their way of trying to get that

1:00:32 ↗ affordability market rate affordability

1:00:34 ↗ built in to the systems so yes it'll

1:00:38 ↗ come up as a topic we can have Arch the

1:00:40 ↗ arch will be back um to talk about that

1:00:42 ↗ as well and they have a lot of historic

1:00:44 ↗ data not just our report cards they go

1:00:46 ↗ way back so they can help fill in some

1:00:48 ↗ of those blanks as well

1:00:50 ↗ does that help yeah

1:00:51 ↗ yeah and the other question I had on the

1:00:53 ↗ housing piece and this just came to me

1:00:55 ↗ um in this meeting so I'm not like fully

1:00:57 ↗ prepared I hope you know what I'm

1:00:58 ↗ talking about when I say this you're

1:01:00 ↗ probably not going to but at some point

1:01:02 ↗ in our packet I think it was like the

1:01:03 ↗ first time we were introduced to the

1:01:05 ↗ housing topic there was a bill that had

1:01:07 ↗ just passed and I think it was on

1:01:09 ↗ permanent Supportive Housing or

1:01:10 ↗ something like that um in the city and I

1:01:12 ↗ remember at the time it was like pushed

1:01:14 ↗ back

1:01:16 ↗ um and we didn't talk about it and I'm

1:01:18 ↗ curious if this is something

1:01:20 ↗ um that we'll be talking about too

1:01:22 ↗ it is

1:01:23 ↗ um it's House Bill 1220 that Stephen

1:01:25 ↗ mentioned earlier and it's regarding

1:01:27 ↗ permanent and Supportive Housing and it

1:01:29 ↗ also regards it's also talking about

1:01:30 ↗ affordability just allowing it within

1:01:32 ↗ your city which we already do but yes

1:01:34 ↗ well that's a big part of what we'll be

1:01:36 ↗ talking about

1:01:47 ↗ any further questions commissioner

1:01:49 ↗ Milligan please oh I'm sorry Kristen

1:01:51 ↗ come back

1:01:52 ↗ um did you just say that house bill uh

1:01:56 ↗ 1220 is about Supportive Housing what do

1:02:00 ↗ you what are you trying to say there I

1:02:01 ↗ don't understand what you're saying

1:02:02 ↗ isn't it

1:02:03 ↗ housing density isn't there something

1:02:06 ↗ about housing density and affordability

1:02:08 ↗ there are so many different things

1:02:11 ↗ um that are out there 12 20 specifically

1:02:13 ↗ when they say Supportive Housing they

1:02:14 ↗ mean affordable affordable housing which

1:02:16 ↗ we already allow but they also mean

1:02:19 ↗ shelters so they're talking about

1:02:21 ↗ permanent shelters and temporary

1:02:22 ↗ shelters so that's what 1220 is about so

1:02:25 ↗ we do a part of this we don't do the

1:02:27 ↗ other part of it regarding the shelters

1:02:29 ↗ then you have the density that's when

1:02:31 ↗ they talk about missing middle and

1:02:33 ↗ that's where they've gone back and forth

1:02:34 ↗ and back and forth and haven't actually

1:02:35 ↗ approved anything yet but there are

1:02:38 ↗ several bills out there addressing it

1:02:40 ↗ and how to get more density into

1:02:42 ↗ neighborhoods and into cities

1:02:44 ↗ so two different topics

1:02:49 ↗ yeah there was the house bill told to

1:02:50 ↗ any of those adopted back in 2021 and

1:02:53 ↗ then that didn't include the missing

1:02:55 ↗ middle and then there's current bills in

1:02:57 ↗ the legislative session now that ends

1:03:00 ↗ next month

1:03:02 ↗ um that are talking about missing middle

1:03:04 ↗ so that's where

1:03:06 ↗ um where Chris is saying the two

1:03:07 ↗ different topics depends on if something

1:03:09 ↗ gets adopted in this legislative session

1:03:15 ↗ oh please as commissioner Simon I think

1:03:19 ↗ yeah when we talk about affordable

1:03:20 ↗ housing it's just for a small percentage

1:03:23 ↗ of the population but that missing

1:03:25 ↗ middle would would apply to a larger pot

1:03:29 ↗ a larger portion of the population right

1:03:33 ↗ yes and no I mean it would be a larger

1:03:37 ↗ portion of the population as it relates

1:03:39 ↗ to everyone but it's missing middle is

1:03:42 ↗ going to be looking at uh more of the

1:03:44 ↗ diversification of housing all the

1:03:46 ↗ different housing options that are

1:03:47 ↗ available to provide

1:03:49 ↗ um different levels of affordability but

1:03:52 ↗ not of specifically affordable housing

1:03:54 ↗ that'll be a separate topic exactly yeah

1:03:57 ↗ I think it's it's you know in building

1:03:58 ↗ affordable allows and

1:04:01 ↗ um and I know it as it's it's more so

1:04:03 ↗ for assertance like population per se as

1:04:09 ↗ opposed to the general population and

1:04:11 ↗ also I think that that missing middle is

1:04:13 ↗ a little given that diversity in the

1:04:15 ↗ types of housing to be able to allow

1:04:18 ↗ individuals or enable individuals to be

1:04:20 ↗ able to get the housing that that's

1:04:24 ↗ right for them essentially

1:04:26 ↗ yeah and then we'll we'll have those

1:04:28 ↗ conversations on the difference between

1:04:30 ↗ all the different housing diversity

1:04:33 ↗ affordable housing as well as House Bill

1:04:35 ↗ 20 12 20 and what that's uh needing us

1:04:38 ↗ to do with this update thank you

1:04:42 ↗ yeah sure boy so if this is my

1:04:45 ↗ understanding is the idea is the city

1:04:47 ↗ with these bills the idea is to provide

1:04:50 ↗ a different amount of for example condos

1:04:53 ↗ Town Homes different type of things not

1:04:55 ↗ just Mansions up on Harrison Street

1:04:57 ↗ that's the idea is to give people a

1:04:59 ↗ broad range of different housing to

1:05:01 ↗ choose from it's not that you're saying

1:05:04 ↗ 30 of our population population needs to

1:05:07 ↗ fall in this income level I mean that's

1:05:08 ↗ we're not trying to do that type of

1:05:10 ↗ social engineering here I certainly hope

1:05:12 ↗ not I mean one of the reasons is aqua is

1:05:14 ↗ a great place is because people desire

1:05:15 ↗ to live here that's what unfortunately

1:05:17 ↗ drives up Vice chair Bader's taxes and

1:05:20 ↗ my taxes because people want to be here

1:05:23 ↗ so

1:05:24 ↗ um yeah I hope there's no type of social

1:05:25 ↗ engineering in that aspect the idea is

1:05:27 ↗ to have a broad for zoning reasons

1:05:30 ↗ things like that to allow Zoning for

1:05:32 ↗ I don't know about tiny houses but

1:05:34 ↗ that's the idea condos more Apartments

1:05:36 ↗ more units like that I have that kind of

1:05:40 ↗ correct correct yeah

1:05:42 ↗ I I should note that one of the things

1:05:45 ↗ that hasn't been figured out yet but is

1:05:47 ↗ going to be a requirement of cities is

1:05:50 ↗ that we adopt

1:05:51 ↗ targets for affordable housing at

1:05:55 ↗ 30 60 80 at those different levels we

1:05:59 ↗ already have a Target that says that 40

1:06:02 ↗ of our housing needs to be affordable to

1:06:04 ↗ people up to 80 percent

1:06:06 ↗ and but that's we adopted the King

1:06:09 ↗ County targets and now the state or psrc

1:06:13 ↗ Puget Sound Regional Council is looking

1:06:15 ↗ at

1:06:16 ↗ requiring targets uh city city specific

1:06:20 ↗ targets

1:06:22 ↗ that we would need to adopt how do you

1:06:24 ↗ do that when people are building on

1:06:26 ↗ either private land or their own land I

1:06:28 ↗ mean I can understand how you build them

1:06:29 ↗ into covenants with development

1:06:31 ↗ agreements right so for example the

1:06:33 ↗ development that went up in the

1:06:35 ↗ highlands the Taylor Morrison you can

1:06:36 ↗ have X amount that goes to affordable

1:06:39 ↗ housing but if someone's building

1:06:41 ↗ condos I mean again is is that the idea

1:06:44 ↗ is that they now have to have X Y and Z

1:06:46 ↗ in order to build period

1:06:48 ↗ well I think the idea is that we have to

1:06:50 ↗ accommodate for it just like our housing

1:06:52 ↗ targets and just like our job targets we

1:06:54 ↗ have to accommodate for it but the

1:06:56 ↗ Market's going to do what the Market's

1:06:57 ↗ going to do but we can find other ways

1:07:00 ↗ to try and incentivize through

1:07:02 ↗ inclusionary zoning which we have

1:07:04 ↗ or through you know we've done it

1:07:05 ↗ through development agreements in the

1:07:07 ↗ past right through a development bonus

1:07:09 ↗ so there are different programs out

1:07:11 ↗ there to incentivize

1:07:12 ↗ right and sometimes require yeah I

1:07:14 ↗ remember the last growth Target report

1:07:16 ↗ card we did really well

1:07:18 ↗ um I don't know to

1:07:19 ↗ I don't know the percentages of our

1:07:21 ↗ affordable housing but it's it's not

1:07:23 ↗ zero I mean I know we've been working

1:07:26 ↗ with Arch for I believe Kristen you told

1:07:28 ↗ me 20 something years so it's been a

1:07:31 ↗ long time

1:07:32 ↗ I don't think it's at zero by any means

1:07:35 ↗ commissioner simota

1:07:37 ↗ the commissioner Sam Woulda

1:07:40 ↗ um the other aspect is also look at it

1:07:42 ↗ like the population as well like the

1:07:45 ↗ median income and I'll be able to also

1:07:48 ↗ look to see what the population within

1:07:51 ↗ Issaquah could actually afford if they

1:07:53 ↗ could actually afford to live in the

1:07:55 ↗ city that they're from or that they live

1:07:57 ↗ it or they have to move out as well you

1:08:00 ↗ know so that that's one thing that I

1:08:03 ↗ think a good discussion would be good on

1:08:05 ↗ as well

1:08:09 ↗ yeah as part of the housing discussions

1:08:11 ↗ and our growth discussions we'll have

1:08:13 ↗ that in terms of like our job growth

1:08:15 ↗ targets and and the affordability in

1:08:17 ↗ terms of that median income of issquar

1:08:21 ↗ residents and what that affordability

1:08:23 ↗ looks like or lack of affordability

1:08:25 ↗ looks like

1:08:29 ↗ thank you

1:08:30 ↗ any other questions or wish lists

1:08:34 ↗ lots of discussion you bet uh yeah and

1:08:37 ↗ it's hard not to just Dive Right In

1:08:39 ↗ right now and

1:08:40 ↗ then

1:08:42 ↗ I don't know how you can work this into

1:08:44 ↗ policy language but home ownership is a

1:08:48 ↗ is another issue that's really difficult

1:08:50 ↗ for communities to tackle and often

1:08:53 ↗ depend on

1:08:54 ↗ you know affordable home ownership you

1:08:57 ↗ know we talk about affordability we talk

1:08:58 ↗ about form the middle housing is a form

1:09:02 ↗ type but it doesn't say whether it's you

1:09:05 ↗ know whether it's got home ownership and

1:09:08 ↗ and something a trend or not a trend but

1:09:10 ↗ a characteristic that Issaquah used to

1:09:13 ↗ have was very high home ownership now we

1:09:16 ↗ weren't this big a town then we were

1:09:18 ↗ just a suburb but uh homeownership uh

1:09:20 ↗ seems to provide qualities that we might

1:09:23 ↗ want to look at to see if there's a way

1:09:25 ↗ to preserve or enhance or Foster that's

1:09:28 ↗ a family ownership I'm not sure just

1:09:30 ↗ something to talk about thank you for

1:09:32 ↗ that comment that was fantastic thank

1:09:33 ↗ you commissioner million

1:09:41 ↗ as commissioner said I think that's a

1:09:43 ↗ great point you brought up of commission

1:09:46 ↗ Milligan because I know we talk

1:09:47 ↗ affordable house it includes Apartments

1:09:50 ↗ but you may have a certain portion of

1:09:53 ↗ the population that wants to actually

1:09:54 ↗ own a home

1:09:56 ↗ um for the foreseeable future as well so

1:09:59 ↗ that that has to be something that's

1:10:00 ↗ part of this discussion where we talk

1:10:03 ↗ about the affordable houses

1:10:10 ↗ I know it's not a vote but I second that

1:10:13 ↗ that's a great metric I mean it's been

1:10:15 ↗ proven uh through multiple studies

1:10:18 ↗ home ownership enhances the communities

1:10:20 ↗ around them so if we could look into

1:10:22 ↗ that I'll put that on my wish list too

1:10:28 ↗ any other questions for Stephen uh

1:10:31 ↗ Kristen staff

1:10:34 ↗ I'm gonna have lots of time to ask you

1:10:35 ↗ guys lots of questions I'm sure we will

1:10:38 ↗ we will have plenty of time to dive into

1:10:40 ↗ these topics

1:10:42 ↗ okay well going once going twice does

1:10:44 ↗ anybody want to do a round robin one

1:10:45 ↗ more time

1:10:47 ↗ nope okay I think we are good Stephen so

1:10:50 ↗ again I appreciate the presentation uh

1:10:53 ↗ thank you Kristen for chiming in

1:10:55 ↗ and we will move on with our next item

1:10:57 ↗ on the agenda which is reports

1:11:03 ↗ do we have any reports

1:11:04 ↗ I just have a quick city council update

1:11:07 ↗ do you want me to do that now or as part

1:11:09 ↗ of the reports

1:11:10 ↗ God please okay uh so city council is

1:11:14 ↗ going to be

1:11:15 ↗ the Planning Development environment

1:11:17 ↗ Council committee is going to be taking

1:11:19 ↗ the their last look at the title 18

1:11:21 ↗ project next week on Tuesday and then

1:11:23 ↗ they're going to be forwarding their

1:11:24 ↗ recommendations to the city council

1:11:26 ↗ which on March 13th the city council

1:11:29 ↗ Committee of the whole will be taking

1:11:30 ↗ their first look at title 18.

1:11:32 ↗ do we get a little bit of a sneak

1:11:34 ↗ preview get a little bit of inside

1:11:35 ↗ baseball at the you know what I think

1:11:37 ↗ the Planning Development Committee uh

1:11:39 ↗ liked what they saw they they loved

1:11:42 ↗ everything they saw there's nothing but

1:11:43 ↗ kudos to a lot of the hard work to the

1:11:46 ↗ uh what the commission has done and

1:11:48 ↗ working with staff to work through the

1:11:50 ↗ uh monster amount of work on policy

1:11:53 ↗ discussions and level of detail that

1:11:55 ↗ went into the update to the development

1:11:58 ↗ regulations is is has made them very

1:12:01 ↗ happy and they're wanting to continue

1:12:03 ↗ kind of that praise and the

1:12:05 ↗ recommendations to the city council

1:12:08 ↗ excellent that's always good to hear

1:12:10 ↗ that was a big part of our work for the

1:12:13 ↗ last

1:12:15 ↗ year and some odd months almost 18

1:12:16 ↗ months I believe

1:12:19 ↗ um you know what's interesting is that

1:12:21 ↗ one was so into the minutia into the

1:12:23 ↗ whereas here now we're going to be

1:12:24 ↗ taking a step back and really doing

1:12:26 ↗ again the

1:12:28 ↗ 30 000 foot view to give goals and

1:12:30 ↗ vision and direction towards for the

1:12:32 ↗ city correct so looking forward to

1:12:34 ↗ starting this journey with all of you

1:12:35 ↗ guys with staff

1:12:37 ↗ and it'll be a fun 12 to 14 months to

1:12:40 ↗ get this project to the finish line and

1:12:43 ↗ one thing to know with like uh the

1:12:45 ↗ calendar for the commission is is

1:12:47 ↗ there's a lot of TBD items and that's

1:12:50 ↗ that's actually intentional for

1:12:52 ↗ providing flexibility

1:12:54 ↗ um as part of the comprehensive planning

1:12:56 ↗ process one thing we learned through the

1:12:57 ↗ title 18 project uh with giving you so

1:13:00 ↗ many topics and with limited amount of

1:13:02 ↗ time is it was very uncomfortable for a

1:13:05 ↗ lot of people and we want to make sure

1:13:06 ↗ that you're comfortable in these

1:13:07 ↗ conversations for the comprehensive plan

1:13:09 ↗ so the TBD topics are really just to

1:13:12 ↗ provide wiggle room for Comfort

1:13:13 ↗ additional conversations if if we want

1:13:16 ↗ to get more information on a particular

1:13:17 ↗ topic or if you want to have a

1:13:20 ↗ additional discussion on any particular

1:13:22 ↗ topic we have that flexibility this year

1:13:24 ↗ that's great yeah appreciate that

1:13:26 ↗ Stephen staff everybody

1:13:30 ↗ yes please can you tell us what we're

1:13:32 ↗ doing at our very next meeting for us in

1:13:34 ↗ the viewing public

1:13:37 ↗ now I have to take a look at the

1:13:38 ↗ calendar

1:13:41 ↗ Thomas are you able to pull that up

1:13:42 ↗ really quick

1:13:45 ↗ I don't know if you have the website

1:13:46 ↗ open I got you guys covered I got it

1:13:48 ↗ right here it is uh we're looking at

1:13:51 ↗ March 9th comp plan housing and land use

1:13:54 ↗ commission Equity discussion tentative

1:13:57 ↗ and our staff support will be senior

1:14:00 ↗ planner Leeson

1:14:05 ↗ hope I read the right date yes yes you

1:14:08 ↗ have it correct

1:14:09 ↗ um a lot of what will be happening at

1:14:11 ↗ that is really the introductions to

1:14:12 ↗ those elements and we we might dive into

1:14:15 ↗ some uh of a little more of what you can

1:14:19 ↗ expect in terms of updates to those

1:14:21 ↗ elements but really trying to focus on

1:14:23 ↗ the vision portions for those elements

1:14:25 ↗ and answer any questions about that so

1:14:27 ↗ we'll be now diving into more specific

1:14:29 ↗ elements from this point on

1:14:34 ↗ all right well thank you everybody for

1:14:37 ↗ participating in our 101 class tonight

1:14:40 ↗ are there any additional business items

1:14:42 ↗ from staff the commission

1:14:45 ↗ and from Staffing

1:14:47 ↗ any announcements for the good of the

1:14:48 ↗ order I know we're missing a few

1:14:50 ↗ participants actually I do have one more

1:14:53 ↗ please uh so the applications for Board

1:14:56 ↗ of commissions are open please if you

1:14:58 ↗ have know anybody that's interested in

1:15:00 ↗ boards commissions let them know the

1:15:01 ↗ applications are due next week on the

1:15:04 ↗ first

1:15:06 ↗ um and please forward them to me if they

1:15:08 ↗ have any questions okay so you can

1:15:10 ↗ forward them to Stephen correct okay

1:15:13 ↗ that's it all right I promise

1:15:18 ↗ we've got plenty of time

1:15:20 ↗ um all right well if there's no further

1:15:22 ↗ comments from the staff or from the

1:15:24 ↗ commission itself

1:15:26 ↗ we will adjourn this meeting tonight at

1:15:28 ↗ 7 45 PM good night everyone thank you

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Commissioners Esemuede

Kennedy

Milligan

Absence: Commissioners Altimore

Lewis

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