Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, May 22, 2014 · City Council Digest

2. COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Committee Roster

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Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Feb 13, 2014 Planning Policy Commission · Apr 24, 2014

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Staff report:

Planning Policy Commission About Contacts Created in 1983, this commission serves as a policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides guidance and direction for Issaquah’s Staff Liaison future growth through continued review and improvement to the Trish Heinonen, Planning City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related land use Manager documents. Email

3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Meeting Minutes from May 8, 2014

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION MINUTES

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0:00 ↗ St area and for those of you in our

0:01 ↗ studio audience for those that would

0:03 ↗ like to speak at the public hearing

0:05 ↗ please sign your name and we will call

0:06 ↗ you up when I'm done with my

0:09 ↗ presentation I'm not sure why the crowds

0:11 ↗ aren't here um this for some of you

0:15 ↗ might be your first public hearing and

0:17 ↗ the way we do public hearings is um it's

0:21 ↗ how you make your recommendations to the

0:23 ↗ city council is you read up on all the

0:25 ↗ materials that we send you uh you get to

0:28 ↗ ask staff any clarifying question

0:30 ↗ questions for on the topic before we

0:32 ↗ open it up to public comment um then you

0:35 ↗ hear the public comment and you Ponder

0:37 ↗ and see if you need any clarifications

0:39 ↗ again from staff with a new information

0:41 ↗ perhaps it's been presented and then you

0:43 ↗ talk amongst yourselves and you make can

0:46 ↗ make a motion and discuss the motion and

0:47 ↗ all that kind of thing and then that's

0:49 ↗ when you get to vote um if we if you

0:52 ↗ have questions along the way feel free

0:53 ↗ to ask about any part of the procedure

0:56 ↗ um we're all going to just learn

0:57 ↗ together no no worries at all that's the

0:59 ↗ beauty of ppcs we pretty informal okay

1:02 ↗ so I'm going to start out um it's a

1:04 ↗ public hearing tonight on a

1:06 ↗ comprehensive plan Amendment um we're

1:08 ↗ allowed to amend the comprehensive plan

1:11 ↗ um once a year according to the state

1:14 ↗ and um the exception is if you adopt um

1:17 ↗ something with your annual budget you

1:20 ↗ can do that in addition to your one a

1:23 ↗ year so we'll actually be doing the

1:26 ↗ budget one with the capital facilities

1:28 ↗ element at the end of the year and this

1:30 ↗ one in the middle of the year so we're

1:32 ↗ going to do two this year but one since

1:34 ↗ one is with a budget um it's okay it

1:36 ↗ fits within the state um requirements so

1:40 ↗ our first comprehensive plan of the year

1:42 ↗ is the removal the proposed removal of a

1:45 ↗ potential annexation area from the city

1:48 ↗ back when growth management was done in

1:51 ↗ 1990s one of the first things we did was

1:54 ↗ um all the cities had what we called

1:56 ↗ potential annexation areas outside their

1:59 ↗ cities and those would be the areas

2:01 ↗ within 20 years that the cities had to

2:03 ↗ commit to take to Annex and provide them

2:06 ↗ with sewer water uh police and fire and

2:10 ↗ all those Urban services and the areas

2:12 ↗ outside the urban growth line would be

2:15 ↗ available only for Rural services like

2:17 ↗ Sheriff uh uh the water would be like um

2:21 ↗ well water kind of things um not the

2:23 ↗ urban services and that was supposed to

2:25 ↗ save some money for municipal

2:27 ↗ governments for service provision and so

2:30 ↗ the county would be in charge of uh like

2:32 ↗ Recreation and open space that kind of

2:34 ↗ thing regionally and the cities would be

2:36 ↗ in charge of um police fire um those

2:40 ↗ kinds of urban

2:41 ↗ services so um this is the clani paa as

2:45 ↗ it as it is now and these are the

2:49 ↗ remaining city

2:50 ↗ paas um that that are that are left when

2:54 ↗ back in 1990 those of you that were here

2:57 ↗ would know that um you know you know

3:00 ↗ this qua Highlands was a paa Talis over

3:02 ↗ to the West Was a pa um there was an

3:05 ↗ area down south

3:07 ↗ here um was a PA Park point was a paa

3:11 ↗ South Cove Greenwood Point was a PA so

3:13 ↗ we've been north um Providence Point

3:15 ↗ North isqua uh we've been really busy

3:18 ↗ with annexing since growth Management in

3:20 ↗ the early

3:22 ↗ 90s so the the comprehensive plan

3:26 ↗ Amendment today before you is to remove

3:29 ↗ the Kahan paa and by removing it then it

3:31 ↗ would be available for samamish to take

3:33 ↗ it into their paa and and try to Annex

3:38 ↗ it um as I said we've had it Clan's been

3:41 ↗ in our paa since we first adopted our

3:43 ↗ growth management consistent

3:45 ↗ comprehensive plan back in

3:47 ↗ 1995 we did a big study in uh 2004 to

3:52 ↗ see what the impact of uh its annexation

3:55 ↗ to the city would be with revenues and

3:58 ↗ um all the projection and how much it

4:00 ↗ would cost us to serve them um we had a

4:04 ↗ vote with them and with Greenwood Point

4:07 ↗ I point to Joan because she was um very

4:10 ↗ involved in that part of the Greenwood

4:12 ↗ Point South Cove annexation and was on

4:14 ↗ the the study team we had the vote the

4:17 ↗ clan vote failed the South Co vote did

4:20 ↗ not fail and so the city council took in

4:23 ↗ South Cove Greenwood Point and did not

4:25 ↗ take in

4:26 ↗ Kahani several years later we up we were

4:30 ↗ asked again by the Kahani residents we

4:32 ↗ updated the study we um had another vote

4:37 ↗ again it narrowly missed uh Council

4:40 ↗ pondered for a little bit what should

4:43 ↗ they do should they try to take part

4:44 ↗ should they think about it for a while

4:47 ↗ should they wait and try it again and

4:49 ↗ they decided uh that they would have a

4:52 ↗ discussion with samam city of samamish

4:54 ↗ and figure out if there was some more

4:56 ↗ Regional issues that could be better

4:58 ↗ served with both both of us working

5:00 ↗ together and part of that discussion was

5:03 ↗ to switch the uh Clan paa to

5:06 ↗ samamish and so I believe I put that in

5:09 ↗ your um packet so you could see all the

5:11 ↗ different pieces of that agreement that

5:13 ↗ the city council's put together and so

5:17 ↗ part of what has to happen to remove the

5:20 ↗ Kahan paa is to go through the process

5:23 ↗ and so that begins with you all as I

5:26 ↗ mentioned last time we were together it

5:29 ↗ is extremely rare for you to receive

5:33 ↗ direction from the council that seems

5:36 ↗ predetermined I've been here over 20

5:38 ↗ years and this is only the second time

5:41 ↗ that I can think of when Council took an

5:43 ↗ action and then they sent it to PPC and

5:45 ↗ said could you process this please you

5:48 ↗ know it it's it seems backwards it is

5:51 ↗ backwards but that's just happens to be

5:54 ↗ the way that this particular project is

5:56 ↗ going because I think because we've

5:58 ↗ tried so many times that this is sort of

6:00 ↗ The Next Step that they want to take

6:02 ↗ with clani and and again you can totally

6:05 ↗ vote against it you can recommend

6:07 ↗ against it that's totally in your

6:09 ↗ purview and I and they would be

6:11 ↗ disappointed if you didn't vote with you

6:13 ↗ know your head and your heart and all

6:15 ↗ the things you're supposed to vote with

6:16 ↗ it doesn't mean you have to rubber stamp

6:18 ↗ it they still want to hear your opinion

6:20 ↗ and why um it's just very odd that that

6:24 ↗ there's an agreement out here and that

6:26 ↗ we're processing it it it doesn't happen

6:28 ↗ very often so I don't want you to feel

6:30 ↗ that you're just a rubber stamp because

6:32 ↗ you're

6:34 ↗ not so tonight you have one question on

6:37 ↗ the5 vote uh what was the percentage

6:40 ↗ breakdown as far as that vote if you

6:41 ↗ recall um what the council had said back

6:44 ↗ then it was interesting there were two

6:46 ↗ questions on the ballot one was do you

6:49 ↗ want to be part of the city of isqua and

6:52 ↗ the second one was do you want to take

6:54 ↗ or would you are you willing to take the

6:56 ↗ bonded indebtedness and they said the

6:59 ↗ Council was very clear when they set

7:01 ↗ that and said we need

7:04 ↗ a majority or it had to be way up there

7:07 ↗ for them both they both had to pass by a

7:09 ↗ certain amount for Council to say yes

7:12 ↗ and South Cove came in with FL you know

7:16 ↗ flying colors they came above both of

7:18 ↗ the of the bars that Council set but

7:20 ↗ Kahani the vote Yes we want to be in the

7:23 ↗ city came in above the bar but the will

7:25 ↗ you take our bonded indebtedness did not

7:27 ↗ come above the bar and so when they

7:29 ↗ looked at it that South Cove followed

7:32 ↗ the directions and and did what they

7:34 ↗ were supposed to do and Kahan didn't

7:36 ↗ quite do it even though council could

7:38 ↗ have taken Kahani but not with the

7:41 ↗ Bonnet of dness they said you know it

7:43 ↗ just didn't seem Equitable because South

7:45 ↗ Cove because there were two votes on the

7:47 ↗ same day and one of them seemed to

7:49 ↗ understand it and the other group you

7:51 ↗ know didn't so they chose not to take

7:53 ↗ Clan because they didn't reach the bar

7:54 ↗ on both of them can you remember what

7:56 ↗ the percentages

7:58 ↗ were

8:00 ↗ um I'm sure I have it somewhere I didn't

8:03 ↗ bring it but it was I I think I think an

8:06 ↗ the annexation vote passed about 65% yes

8:09 ↗ and bond deadness failed I want to say

8:12 ↗ four it was in the 40s yeah was like 45

8:15 ↗ or

8:16 ↗ 47% in that area

8:19 ↗ so okay and that answers my question my

8:21 ↗ my question was geared towards whether

8:23 ↗ the most recent vote was a decrease in

8:25 ↗ support or an increase over the last

8:27 ↗ vote no well the this this vote

8:29 ↗ there only was one question will you

8:32 ↗ Annex with AB bonded indebtedness and

8:34 ↗ that one failed by 31 votes right it was

8:37 ↗ something there it was a handful of

8:40 ↗ votes so but we only had one question

8:43 ↗ this time we thought we're going to make

8:44 ↗ it really clearcut this time and and it

8:47 ↗ failed so that it was it was a lot of

8:50 ↗ work we went through a lot of of of work

8:52 ↗ and Outreach and all those good things

8:54 ↗ and just still missed it just by an

8:56 ↗ oomph um so tonight tonight we get to

8:59 ↗ talk about that a little bit um in the

9:01 ↗ public hearing and also as a since I as

9:04 ↗ I mentioned we only get this one shot to

9:06 ↗ do comp plan amendments until December

9:08 ↗ when we do the budget piece there are

9:11 ↗ two things that already happened that we

9:14 ↗ wanted to tuck into this amendment as

9:16 ↗ sort of housekeeping amendments and one

9:18 ↗ is the central isqua plan we wanted to

9:20 ↗ put those numbers in the population and

9:22 ↗ housing um projection chart because

9:25 ↗ since the the central plan already was

9:27 ↗ adopted and people off and say well your

9:30 ↗ population charts off well it's off

9:33 ↗ because we haven't been able to do the

9:34 ↗ comp plan amendments yet you know

9:36 ↗ because they they don't always go

9:37 ↗ together so we we updated that and we

9:40 ↗ also there was an annexation that

9:41 ↗ happened right at the end of the year it

9:43 ↗ was right before you all adopted the

9:46 ↗ comp plan amendments last year it was

9:48 ↗ just missed it by this much it was the

9:50 ↗ last Almost the last day of the year and

9:52 ↗ so we tucked that and because that's

9:54 ↗ also in the housing and population chart

9:56 ↗ so we fixed that as well on on this cuz

9:58 ↗ we thought wow we're amending that table

10:00 ↗ anyway we should make it as correct as

10:02 ↗ we can so those two pieces are in there

10:05 ↗ as

10:06 ↗ well and your role as I mentioned before

10:10 ↗ um you know Talk Amongst yourselves

10:12 ↗ listen to the public comments that I

10:14 ↗ don't think we'll take a long time

10:16 ↗ tonight um uh talk ask clarifying

10:19 ↗ questions and then um make a

10:21 ↗ recommendation through your voting and

10:23 ↗ then um look at the findings of fact and

10:26 ↗ see if those Express um the thoughts

10:28 ↗ that you have on on

10:30 ↗ it are um if you're curious what happens

10:33 ↗ next if you should um if this as it goes

10:36 ↗ to the council um they would have the

10:39 ↗ council would have to approve the

10:40 ↗ amendment to remove it then the samam

10:44 ↗ city council has to make an amendment to

10:46 ↗ their paas to add it King County has to

10:50 ↗ agree to change the paa map that they

10:53 ↗ have because they're the keeper of all

10:54 ↗ the paas from isqua to samamish and then

10:58 ↗ it goes to the growth management

10:59 ↗ planning Council which is all of the

11:01 ↗ regional jurisdictions they have to

11:03 ↗ ratify that the paa changes so it's

11:06 ↗ quite an elaborate process and if if it

11:10 ↗ does all work through the annexation

11:12 ↗ vote may come up maybe at the end of

11:15 ↗ 2015 depending on how how all the ducks

11:18 ↗ in a row fit for for everything because

11:21 ↗ there's there's a lot of ducks

11:23 ↗ here are there questions about what

11:27 ↗ happens tonight

11:29 ↗ if you can get through it tonight it

11:31 ↗ goes to the council June 2nd the

11:33 ↗ committee the land use committee we talk

11:36 ↗ about it on the the 10th and we're

11:38 ↗ hoping that there'd be final action at

11:40 ↗ least from our Council July

11:46 ↗ 7th okay oops and this is the new the

11:51 ↗ new and improved population chart I know

11:53 ↗ it's probably too small to

11:56 ↗ see but it's in your packet and this

11:58 ↗ this is just one of the maps without

12:01 ↗ without Kanani in the top corner but

12:03 ↗ there all the maps and everything are in

12:04 ↗ your packet any

12:06 ↗ questions for me before we open up the

12:09 ↗ public

12:11 ↗ hearing yes sir Trish can you explain I

12:15 ↗ know I'm looking reading ahead on the

12:19 ↗ uh findings of fact

12:22 ↗ yes it states valuation of clani

12:26 ↗ paa potential annexation area update the

12:29 ↗ comprehensive plan to potentially reach

12:32 ↗ part or

12:35 ↗ all that's what the docket said when the

12:37 ↗ council did the uh what does that mean

12:40 ↗ what part would we keep or that was okay

12:43 ↗ when we did the docket in January and

12:46 ↗ February there we didn't have the vote

12:48 ↗ yet the vote was in February and Council

12:52 ↗ said if we didn't know what would happen

12:55 ↗ and so they put that they kept that on

12:57 ↗ there to say that

12:59 ↗ not knowing what the vote was going to

13:01 ↗ happen that if something happened and

13:03 ↗ the vote failed they weren't sure what

13:05 ↗ they would do so they kind of put all

13:07 ↗ their options in the little box in the

13:10 ↗ docket to say well maybe we'd keep some

13:12 ↗ maybe we wouldn't keep some but they

13:13 ↗ didn't want to have that discussion

13:15 ↗ before the vote was Final and certified

13:18 ↗ so shouldn't this be done changed to

13:20 ↗ release well no that's well that's still

13:22 ↗ what the docket says the docket they

13:24 ↗ adopted says that they're going to take

13:26 ↗ some sort of action on clani this

13:29 ↗ year we can't go sadly we can't go back

13:32 ↗ and change the docket that's a once a

13:33 ↗ year thing there's still question on the

13:36 ↗ the one

13:37 ↗ area that uh that was over

13:41 ↗ 80% positive that maybe why that's still

13:44 ↗ in there well that that's why they they

13:47 ↗ had it in there before it was certified

13:49 ↗ because there was talk right after the

13:51 ↗ vote was certified because the area to

13:54 ↗ the South came in the numbers were very

13:57 ↗ high to Annex to to isqua and so for one

14:01 ↗ uh work session the council looked at

14:03 ↗ what would it take to just serve that

14:05 ↗ area and Annex that area and they talked

14:07 ↗ all about it and they

14:10 ↗ thought there was just a lot of issues

14:12 ↗ with alienating the rest of the area and

14:15 ↗ there were a lot of issues so they

14:16 ↗ decided just to start talking to

14:18 ↗ samamish to see if there were other ways

14:20 ↗ other Regional fixes that could happen

14:22 ↗ if if we chose to work together on it

14:25 ↗ but they were certainly before the vote

14:27 ↗ was certified and it was so close they

14:28 ↗ were trying to keep all their options in

14:30 ↗ when they put the little the little

14:32 ↗ sentence in the

14:34 ↗ docket so if we um go on to the

14:38 ↗ agreement that was signed yes um there

14:41 ↗ is

14:42 ↗ a uh discussion in there of of the

14:48 ↗ roadway yes and when we were originally

14:51 ↗ talking about um annexing the area the

14:56 ↗ cost of updating that road was like18

14:59 ↗ million and and there's only 3 million

15:02 ↗ set aside well that's in the beginning

15:04 ↗ they have to set aside 3 million that's

15:06 ↗ sort of like in real estate they call it

15:08 ↗ the um earnest money the yeah earnest

15:11 ↗ earnest money I know but 3 million and 8

15:15 ↗ million I just think it's going to take

15:17 ↗ a long time in order to get money put

15:20 ↗ together so that road is going to be

15:21 ↗ there for quite a while just the way it

15:23 ↗ is right but we wanted to be sure that

15:25 ↗ because you're right in when we had our

15:28 ↗ boundary review board

15:30 ↗ um hearings they were very quick to

15:34 ↗ testify how quickly they could fix the

15:36 ↗ road and that they wouldn't need any

15:38 ↗ money from the state and they so we put

15:41 ↗ a lot of that into the agreement that

15:44 ↗ they met they they stated at the

15:45 ↗ boundary review board hearings that they

15:48 ↗ were going to fix the road relatively

15:50 ↗ fast they weren't going to take the

15:51 ↗ state credit for

15:53 ↗ annexing and so we just made sure that

15:55 ↗ they were that they do that say it that

15:58 ↗ they're going to go and ask for funds

16:00 ↗ they can ask for funds for the road but

16:02 ↗ they can't ask for State funds to help

16:05 ↗ them uh service this area the um there

16:09 ↗ are funds that we were going to use that

16:11 ↗ would help you in that the first few

16:13 ↗ years to to provide services but they

16:17 ↗ said that that one of the reasons that

16:19 ↗ they should be able to Annex clani is

16:21 ↗ because they didn't need the money to

16:23 ↗ help do the services the money they

16:25 ↗ didn't need it that's the money they

16:26 ↗ didn't wasn't available anymore I

16:27 ↗ thought you had to take it in a certain

16:30 ↗ time frame you did but we just wanted to

16:32 ↗ be sure that if it should ever be

16:34 ↗ available or if it should ever be that

16:36 ↗ that we keep them to what they

16:38 ↗ said so does anybody else have any

16:41 ↗ questions any

16:43 ↗ ideas you all read the scratched

16:46 ↗ up okay do you do you have a guest toit

16:50 ↗ is I'm just curious it's not going to

16:51 ↗ make a difference in regards to what

16:53 ↗ we're going to do probably but what was

16:54 ↗ the voter turnout did they have a p did

16:57 ↗ they get a guesstimate

16:59 ↗ um you only lost by 30 some votes but

17:02 ↗ was there only you know 67 people voting

17:05 ↗ or something or did they have a high

17:07 ↗ percentage of response it was let oh see

17:10 ↗ on my other PowerPoint I had the the um

17:13 ↗ we had the numbers when we talked to

17:15 ↗ council about it um but it was less than

17:18 ↗ what did you

17:19 ↗ say right it was a smaller for as

17:22 ↗ excitable as the area was I was

17:24 ↗ surprised that the turnout wasn't as

17:26 ↗ high enough right well that the turnout

17:28 ↗ and I I by the way my name is my Foss

17:30 ↗ I'm in the PA and the turnout was quite

17:33 ↗ good the turnout was in the 50 plus

17:36 ↗ percent

17:37 ↗ voted

17:40 ↗ umal H better than pres I mean the the

17:44 ↗ response was strong I mean i' I've got

17:46 ↗ to be honest and I will state UPF front

17:49 ↗ I was very very active in the Pro isqua

17:52 ↗ side of the campaign and um

17:57 ↗ uh

17:59 ↗ watch the whole

18:00 ↗ process uh you know if you look at that

18:03 ↗ the the Northern end of the paa is very

18:07 ↗ much attached to Sam Hamish the smaller

18:11 ↗ part uh I'm in one of those areas or

18:15 ↗ districts that are U uh I think we came

18:19 ↗ in at the highest

18:21 ↗ 74.8% or something like that was very

18:23 ↗ high in terms of yes um and so you know

18:28 ↗ we were disappointed but that's okay it

18:31 ↗ happens those things happen uh but uh

18:35 ↗ yeah it was a good

18:37 ↗ turnout um there other questions sure

18:40 ↗ one uh was there any

18:43 ↗ uh discussion during the council

18:46 ↗ meetings as far

18:47 ↗ as what would happen if the vote comes

18:51 ↗ down similarly over a number of years

18:53 ↗ for samamish in in essence clani

18:56 ↗ refusing to Annex is there any

18:57 ↗ provisions for the PA reverting back or

19:00 ↗ being potentially renegotiated if it

19:02 ↗ came to that that was one of the reasons

19:04 ↗ they talked about not splitting it

19:06 ↗ because they were afraid that if it

19:07 ↗ split it would be hard to get the rest

19:11 ↗ of them to to come into samamish you

19:14 ↗ know because there'd be fewer that would

19:15 ↗ be voting fewer to take it over the top

19:18 ↗ and but we were open that if if they

19:20 ↗ can't get it annexed by for whatever

19:23 ↗ reason you know if Kahan is just

19:25 ↗ separated and they can't make up their

19:27 ↗ mind then we would be happy to look at

19:29 ↗ it again if you know in 10 years it

19:32 ↗ still is out there in King County cuz I

19:34 ↗ I think the clani folks just desperately

19:36 ↗ want to be with the city they want

19:38 ↗ police protection they want um to be you

19:41 ↗ know treated like a a real City where

19:44 ↗ because King County hasn't really been a

19:46 ↗ good Steward for them so I think if it

19:48 ↗ happened if 10 years are out and they

19:50 ↗ still aren't able to Annex for whatever

19:52 ↗ reason I think we would probably

19:54 ↗ Entertain You know trying it again you

19:57 ↗ know talking to samamish and find

19:58 ↗ finding out what's the problem where

19:59 ↗ where is it going wrong I think we would

20:01 ↗ always because we're the only other ones

20:03 ↗ that could take it it has to be one of

20:05 ↗ the jurisdictions just an FYI to that

20:08 ↗ comment um I recently attended a meeting

20:11 ↗ on the other side of the spectrum with

20:15 ↗ samamish had a conversation with one of

20:17 ↗ their key

20:18 ↗ Executives uh and there is a concern to

20:21 ↗ be very honest with you because the

20:24 ↗ vote

20:26 ↗ for um annexation

20:28 ↗ was 49.6 50.4 or something in that

20:33 ↗ number I can't exactly get the correct

20:35 ↗ number now they don't they're not going

20:37 ↗ to go for the bonded indebtedness but

20:39 ↗ they still have to get 50 plus

20:41 ↗ one um and I had a a long conversation

20:44 ↗ with one of their people that was like

20:47 ↗ how do you feel do you think they're

20:49 ↗ going to go for it do you think the

20:50 ↗ people in clani are going to step up and

20:54 ↗ he was concerned about will they go to

20:56 ↗ the polls will we get the same same kind

20:58 ↗ of

20:59 ↗ turnout um so there is a concern and

21:02 ↗ they're they're going to campaign from

21:04 ↗ what I can see pretty aggressively to um

21:10 ↗ try and convince the voters in the paa

21:12 ↗ to to go with some Amish but there is a

21:16 ↗ serious concern that because all they

21:18 ↗ have to get is

21:19 ↗ 50% if they lose people that don't go to

21:22 ↗ the polls because they don't know when

21:24 ↗ it's going to happen it could be

21:26 ↗ September it could be August it could

21:28 ↗ November if they don't get the people to

21:30 ↗ go or if there's a contingent of the

21:34 ↗ group that still wants to believe it or

21:36 ↗ not stay in King County which I have

21:39 ↗ trouble understanding um having lived

21:42 ↗ there um you know they they've got some

21:45 ↗ concern about will it hit the 50% if it

21:48 ↗ doesn't go 50 plus one the paa stays in

21:51 ↗ King

21:52 ↗ County and then until somebody can take

21:56 ↗ until somebody steps up or the State

21:58 ↗ forces King County to to dispense of

22:01 ↗ their their U right annexation areas so

22:05 ↗ right the continuing Saga of bahani yes

22:09 ↗ I just want to clarify you talked about

22:10 ↗ it passing back to to do that we' have

22:13 ↗ to go through a similar process I mean

22:15 ↗ absolutely I mean because what we're

22:16 ↗ doing is we're officially releasing it

22:18 ↗ so it'd be a very long involved process

22:21 ↗ it's not just okay we'll take it back

22:22 ↗ now you guys didn't make it it' have

22:24 ↗ another you know process of everybody

22:26 ↗ agreeing and and pass

22:28 ↗ be just the oppos be pretty hard to

22:30 ↗ happen after they voted it down twice

22:32 ↗ here right because they would have to

22:34 ↗ release it we would have to take it King

22:36 ↗ County would have to yeah it would be it

22:38 ↗ would be a lot of deja just oh you

22:40 ↗ didn't get it we'll take it back right

22:42 ↗ well could it just stay as King County I

22:44 ↗ mean what's the what's it could the

22:45 ↗ thing is the piece of growth management

22:48 ↗ though is that all these potential

22:49 ↗ annexation areas are supposed to be

22:51 ↗ within a city within the 20 years

22:54 ↗ because then the services are more

22:55 ↗ efficient to provide all that good stuff

22:57 ↗ but

22:58 ↗ some of them are just harder than others

23:01 ↗ considering what we are voting on um the

23:05 ↗ fact that uh in public com comment

23:08 ↗ there's nobody here and the fact that uh

23:11 ↗ the mayor seems to have negotiated what

23:13 ↗ I think is a good deal and the fact that

23:16 ↗ uh this annexation issue has come up

23:19 ↗ several times has been voted down

23:21 ↗ several times and it seems clear that if

23:24 ↗ you take Kahani as a whole not just the

23:26 ↗ southern part uh uh they're not in favor

23:29 ↗ of it so uh why not approve what the uh

23:34 ↗ mayor negotiated and what the council is

23:36 ↗ asking for and let's get on with it is

23:40 ↗ that a motion I so

23:43 ↗ move any further discussion did you do

23:47 ↗ you want to open the public hearing just

23:48 ↗ so Susan can write it

23:50 ↗ down yeah we will continue the

23:53 ↗ discussion after the public hearing

23:56 ↗ thank you forgot we didn't open so I

23:59 ↗ will open the officially open the public

24:01 ↗ hearing at

24:04 ↗ 65959 and uh seeing that there is nobody

24:08 ↗ that is willing to make any comments I

24:10 ↗ will officially close the public hearing

24:13 ↗ at 659 and a

24:15 ↗ half duly noted so getting back to the

24:20 ↗ discussion is there any further

24:24 ↗ discussion all those in favor of

24:28 ↗ accepting what the council has approved

24:32 ↗ not the council the mayoras mayor of the

24:34 ↗ two cities have approved as uh is

24:37 ↗ presented here tonight all those in

24:39 ↗ favor say I I

24:43 ↗ opposed motion carries and the second

24:45 ↗ motion do you um that someone should

24:47 ↗ make is to allow the chairperson to sign

24:51 ↗ the findings of

24:52 ↗ fact or if there's any um issues with

24:55 ↗ the findings of fact that you would want

24:57 ↗ to change or eded or

24:59 ↗ anything uh since you had no further

25:02 ↗ questions I assumed that you had read

25:05 ↗ the and that was approved along with it

25:08 ↗ so if I need a motion to allow me to

25:12 ↗ sign as

25:14 ↗ uh uh accepting what is uh been

25:18 ↗ presented I moved it you accept

25:21 ↗ sign do I have a second all those in

25:25 ↗ favor I excellent good good job good job

25:29 ↗ your first public

25:34 ↗ hearing not

25:47 ↗ like hi there I'm Jason Rogers uh I work

25:51 ↗ with Trish in the development services

25:52 ↗ department I know most of you haven't

25:54 ↗ met me yet because I wasn't here two

25:56 ↗ weeks ago um but here I am and tonight

25:58 ↗ I'll be talking about the next couple of

26:00 ↗ elements in our conference of plan

26:02 ↗ period periodic update the utilities and

26:04 ↗ public services element and the capital

26:06 ↗ facilities

26:07 ↗ element so just a quick refresher we're

26:10 ↗ GNA okay well that's a

26:13 ↗ typo we're going to understand the

26:15 ↗ elements I just mentioned and we'll go

26:17 ↗ through the list of goals for those two

26:19 ↗ elements um just a quick refresher you

26:21 ↗ saw this two weeks ago this is the new

26:23 ↗ format we're using IF for the conference

26:25 ↗ of plan with the introduction vision GMA

26:28 ↗ requirements and then working down

26:29 ↗ through the

26:31 ↗ list um and then the basics again just a

26:34 ↗ quick refresher with the what a goal is

26:36 ↗ what and how we get down through

26:38 ↗ policies and then

26:41 ↗ implementation so first up we'll do the

26:43 ↗ utilities and public services element

26:45 ↗ and so what we're looking at is just the

26:48 ↗ high level things we're not looking at

26:49 ↗ specific policies or implementation

26:51 ↗ tonight so this is important because the

26:54 ↗ the utilities and public services

26:55 ↗ element um really tries to address all

26:57 ↗ of our utilities within the city and

26:59 ↗ this includes you know the the water

27:02 ↗ sewer storm water but also utilities

27:04 ↗ like the private utilities to to the

27:06 ↗ extent we can our Public Services like

27:08 ↗ police and fire protection um and also

27:11 ↗ the element addresses how the city

27:14 ↗ proposes to provide services to areas of

27:16 ↗ the city that are not served and there

27:18 ↗ are a couple and also how the city would

27:20 ↗ propose to serve potential annexation

27:22 ↗ areas should they come into the

27:25 ↗ city so the vision for the utilities and

27:28 ↗ public services element um has four

27:31 ↗ elements to it and you can see them on

27:33 ↗ the screen here they're also in your

27:34 ↗ packet um the city will ensure its

27:36 ↗ utilities are maintained and improved

27:38 ↗ while minimizing disruptions to affected

27:40 ↗ areas when utility improvements and new

27:41 ↗ construction are required uh we'll

27:44 ↗ coordinate utilities and public

27:45 ↗ facilities to ensure needed utility

27:47 ↗ services will be available when

27:49 ↗ development

27:50 ↗ occurs um we will encourage utility

27:52 ↗ conservation efforts that minimize

27:54 ↗ demand for natural resources and we will

27:56 ↗ provide efficient and cost effective

27:58 ↗ public services so we try to do all

28:00 ↗ these things today of course um you you

28:03 ↗ see so for example the second one there

28:06 ↗ um through the development process we

28:08 ↗ coordinate you know developers need to

28:10 ↗ extend water lines and Sewer lines they

28:12 ↗ need to work with P sun energy to extend

28:14 ↗ natural gas and power lines into these

28:16 ↗ new developments so that they can get

28:18 ↗ served by the full range of utilities

28:19 ↗ that everybody else has we ensure that

28:22 ↗ there's Solid Waste Service when new

28:23 ↗ developments come in and we work to make

28:25 ↗ sure that you know a departments have an

28:28 ↗ appropriate place for all the waste

28:29 ↗ containers one of the big things we have

28:31 ↗ to do is it's not just trash it's also

28:33 ↗ recycling it's also the food waste the

28:36 ↗ compost which can result in some pretty

28:38 ↗ big spaces to put these these bins um

28:41 ↗ and that's been something we've had to

28:43 ↗ be very mindful of especially um with

28:45 ↗ all the development going

28:46 ↗ on does anybody have comments on this

28:54 ↗ questions

28:56 ↗ okay

28:59 ↗ third um element the city will encourage

29:02 ↗ utility conservation efforts that

29:04 ↗ minimize demand for natural

29:06 ↗ resources um is there any thought on

29:09 ↗ updating that to include um some kind of

29:13 ↗ green specifics there um two words that

29:16 ↗ come to mind carbon neutrality and zero

29:18 ↗ impact

29:19 ↗ initiatives that's something we can

29:21 ↗ certainly look into

29:24 ↗ um the so the office the office of

29:28 ↗ sustainability has been working on a on

29:31 ↗ a um carbon plant I don't know if you

29:33 ↗ any of you have seen it but it's it's

29:35 ↗ they called the carbon wedge it's just a

29:36 ↗ big WG shaped thing where it shows here

29:39 ↗ and the Baseline is 2007 it shows here's

29:40 ↗ the amount

29:41 ↗ of carbon emissions the city has as of

29:44 ↗ 07 and if you project the the growth

29:47 ↗ we've had historically it goes up like

29:49 ↗ this the objective is to reduce instead

29:52 ↗ of growing that much to reduce by 50%

29:54 ↗ the city's carbon impact over a 50-year

29:56 ↗ period and so that's something that

29:58 ↗ we're certainly working on in a in a big

30:00 ↗ picture sense but the ways of getting

30:02 ↗ there of course are many and varied but

30:05 ↗ that's definitely something we can look

30:06 ↗ into adding right and the landu element

30:09 ↗ that we did two weeks ago has the carbon

30:12 ↗ um emissions goal in it and it talks

30:14 ↗ about um the King County Target that

30:16 ↗ we're supposed to hit and that I think

30:18 ↗ we just adopted that one right outright

30:20 ↗ that we're in alignment with the same

30:21 ↗ one that the county is which is is it 0

30:25 ↗ 80 by 2000 yeah I think um but that's a

30:29 ↗ that was a big one that we adopted

30:30 ↗ several years ago when we first started

30:32 ↗ working on the carbon plan yeah and and

30:35 ↗ there would be C certainly

30:36 ↗ implementations like you mentioned of

30:38 ↗ specific things that we can do to help

30:40 ↗ get that number down that'll be in there

30:44 ↗ okay anybody

30:47 ↗ else okay so that's the vision um these

30:51 ↗ are the GMA requirements um they're they

30:53 ↗ might sound a little dry but these come

30:55 ↗ directly out of the um or rather F these

31:00 ↗ come out directly out of the grow the

31:01 ↗ growth management act um the first one

31:04 ↗ is you you you've also seen the first

31:06 ↗ one in the land use element because it

31:07 ↗ sits there too but because it it talks

31:10 ↗ about public facilities and

31:11 ↗ services um it also ends up in the

31:14 ↗ utilities and public services element

31:15 ↗ because we need to ensure that um all

31:17 ↗ the elements are connected together that

31:18 ↗ all the elements are working in concert

31:21 ↗ um so that's one of the requirements

31:22 ↗ that also comes through um the second

31:25 ↗ one there is ensure that those public

31:26 ↗ facilities that are necessary to support

31:28 ↗ development shall be adequate to serve

31:29 ↗ the development at the time so this gets

31:31 ↗ at the concurrency um thing that you'll

31:34 ↗ and you'll hear a lot more about

31:35 ↗ concurrency when you you hear about the

31:36 ↗ transportation element because that's

31:38 ↗ where concurrency is mostly focused but

31:40 ↗ concurrency also applies to all the

31:42 ↗ other utilities and public services that

31:44 ↗ we need to have sufficient um we need to

31:48 ↗ have enough of these services to meet

31:49 ↗ the needs of the people we've got and

31:51 ↗ the people who are coming

31:53 ↗ in and then the last one and this is

31:56 ↗ very specific to the utilities and

31:57 ↗ public services element is we need to

31:58 ↗ show the general location and proposed

32:00 ↗ location of all of our existing proposed

32:03 ↗ utilities um in practice this is so in

32:07 ↗ the current Conference of plan there's a

32:09 ↗ very generalized map showing a lot of

32:11 ↗ these

32:12 ↗ things going forward we're not we're

32:14 ↗ planning to not have that directly in

32:16 ↗ the plan because that's a document that

32:18 ↗ changes quite a bit you know we do water

32:20 ↗ main Replacements we add new sewer lines

32:23 ↗ constantly that's easier to maintain as

32:26 ↗ a separate that we incorporate by

32:28 ↗ reference into the pl so that we can

32:29 ↗ just keep it up without having to come

32:31 ↗ back to the planning policy commission

32:32 ↗ and the city council every year saying

32:34 ↗ okay here's all the new lines we added

32:36 ↗ let's update the map that's kind of

32:37 ↗ silly and and not the best use of all of

32:39 ↗ our

32:40 ↗ time but any comments on or questions I

32:44 ↗ guess on on

32:47 ↗ these all right so this is so the the

32:51 ↗ goals here are broken down into um

32:55 ↗ categories so the first the first couple

32:57 ↗ the first several here are general ones

32:58 ↗ and these are intended to apply to all

33:01 ↗ of the various utilities as a whole and

33:03 ↗ how we want to have Ser service

33:05 ↗ provision within the city so the first

33:06 ↗ one you can see facilitate the

33:08 ↗ development of all utilities and public

33:09 ↗ services at the appropriate levels to

33:12 ↗ accommodate isqua's plan growth this is

33:14 ↗ obviously a very um you know it doesn't

33:17 ↗ sound like much but it's very

33:18 ↗ significant because we don't want people

33:20 ↗ to not have water we want to make sure

33:22 ↗ that when people come in we have enough

33:24 ↗ water to serve them one of the examples

33:26 ↗ of of forward looking we've done is you

33:28 ↗ know we're part of cascade water

33:29 ↗ Alliance and there's the regional water

33:32 ↗ line that comes down Newport Way from

33:33 ↗ bellw to help provide water to isqua um

33:37 ↗ that that um big water line is providing

33:40 ↗ water to the highlands today because we

33:42 ↗ didn't have enough water from the city

33:43 ↗ Wells to be able to provide water to the

33:46 ↗ highlands so that's one of those long

33:48 ↗ range planning things that we had to do

33:49 ↗ to ensure that we had appropriate um

33:52 ↗ Utility

33:53 ↗ Services um for sewer you know there's

33:55 ↗ been a lot of improvements made to the

33:58 ↗ big to the Metro System um Bright Water

34:02 ↗ is a good example none of our sewage

34:04 ↗ goes to Brightwater but sewage that

34:06 ↗ formerly went to the Renton plant which

34:08 ↗ is where our sewage goes now goes to

34:09 ↗ Brightwater so that and that's a big

34:10 ↗ regional thing obviously we were

34:12 ↗ involved in that

34:14 ↗ too

34:15 ↗ yes is there anywhere in the plan that

34:18 ↗ tells us what the appropriate level of

34:21 ↗ these utilities are yes there is um

34:25 ↗ so it's not so so for all of the various

34:30 ↗ utilities like the water utility or the

34:32 ↗ sewer utility there's actually a

34:33 ↗ separate system plan which is maintained

34:35 ↗ by the public works engineering

34:36 ↗ department and it talks and it has very

34:39 ↗ specific measures about for example how

34:41 ↗ many gallons per minute of water flow

34:42 ↗ needs to be available both for domestic

34:44 ↗ consumption and for fir flow just for

34:46 ↗ one example so it's very very specific

34:49 ↗ about how much storage you need how much

34:50 ↗ flow you need where where you need to

34:52 ↗ have Mains we don't we incorporate that

34:54 ↗ plan by reference into the conference of

34:56 ↗ plan but again because that's a document

34:58 ↗ that is it's a very technical document

35:00 ↗ it's also hundreds of pages long um it

35:04 ↗ would make the conference planed a lot

35:06 ↗ thicker than it is so the details

35:11 ↗ exist

35:20 ↗ at and to go from 32,000 to

35:24 ↗ 55,000 yes in 15 years

35:27 ↗ when the city um when they're doing a

35:31 ↗ planning are they actually looking at

35:34 ↗ what how they're going to get to be able

35:36 ↗ to support 55,000 people are they taking

35:39 ↗ it in

35:41 ↗ chunks um well I mean the growth isn't

35:43 ↗ all going to happen at once it would

35:45 ↗ obviously happen over a period of years

35:46 ↗ and so it over 15 years is what the what

35:50 ↗ your numbers right and so we we would

35:53 ↗ make incremental improvements um you

35:55 ↗ know we're not drawing for example we're

35:57 ↗ not drawing fully on the Cascade water

35:59 ↗ Alliance Pipeline right now like I said

36:01 ↗ it's only serving the highlands there's

36:02 ↗ another inner tie to help us serve Talis

36:05 ↗ and tie to the rest of the city so you

36:08 ↗ know we we've planned ahead in the past

36:10 ↗ we'll continue to plan ahead in the

36:11 ↗ future to ensure that you know we need

36:14 ↗ to be able to accommodate this growth

36:16 ↗ and you know if you look at the

36:18 ↗ population chart there's nobody zero

36:21 ↗ people zero housing units in the urban

36:22 ↗ core today and the plan is to

36:25 ↗ have 6,000 some OD in six in in 17 years

36:31 ↗ so that's definitely something we're

36:33 ↗ we're aware of and are thinking about

36:35 ↗ how we're going to do it okay you got a

36:39 ↗ plan we have a plan you got a plan so

36:41 ↗ right and part of the central plan was

36:43 ↗ making sure that we had enough water for

36:45 ↗ those growth

36:48 ↗ targets and that's hard to do I

36:50 ↗ understand you know you don't know what

36:52 ↗ is going to be there but you have to

36:54 ↗ have some idea while you're putting in a

36:56 ↗ over here will it feed and eventually

37:00 ↗ feed off of that and all of the things

37:02 ↗ put together yeah they use our targets

37:04 ↗ when they update their water and sewer

37:06 ↗ plan so we're working together

37:09 ↗ on um so I I've looked through the the

37:13 ↗ plan and the only real question I have

37:16 ↗ uh relates to the uh sewage flow

37:19 ↗ estimations and

37:21 ↗ okay a little so I I see that we have a

37:25 ↗ 2001 estimate of

37:28 ↗ um 1 million gallons per day with an

37:31 ↗ estimate of 2 million gallons per day by

37:33 ↗ 2020 do you do you know one where we're

37:36 ↗ at currently and two what our capacity

37:40 ↗ is um I don't know right now the the

37:43 ↗ most recent sewer system plan you

37:45 ↗ probably SE in there is actually from

37:46 ↗ quite some time ago although it's it's

37:49 ↗ next on pwe's list to update um the good

37:52 ↗ news about sewer flows is that they very

37:54 ↗ closely mirror water flows because what

37:57 ↗ goes in comes back out most of the time

38:01 ↗ so

38:03 ↗ um so long as we're you know it makes

38:05 ↗ the math somewhat easy and that if we're

38:07 ↗ accounting for the water flow properly

38:08 ↗ we know how much sewer flow we need to

38:10 ↗ account for one of the things to address

38:12 ↗ that of course like I said the there's

38:13 ↗ been some improvements made made to a

38:15 ↗ Metro U main Interceptor line Metro's

38:18 ↗ made all these big improvements um

38:21 ↗ obviously you know one of the things we

38:23 ↗ generally require is that development

38:24 ↗ pay for their for the extension of of

38:27 ↗ the various lines to serve their their

38:30 ↗ development so we're definitely

38:32 ↗ accounting for I don't but like I said I

38:33 ↗ don't know exactly where we are with

38:35 ↗ with these numbers at the moment um

38:38 ↗ we'll find out

38:43 ↗ though anything

38:45 ↗ else Jason uh just from

38:49 ↗ a grammatical point is there any way to

38:52 ↗ break up

38:55 ↗ that um extremely R long runon sentence

38:59 ↗ so that it reads a little easier yes we

39:01 ↗ can definitely do that thank you these

39:03 ↗ are these are a lot of these are in the

39:06 ↗ existing element um and this element

39:09 ↗ doesn't get updated that often but

39:20 ↗ yes okay so I'll move on to the next

39:23 ↗ ones here these are some more of the

39:25 ↗ general goals here so process permits

39:28 ↗ and approvals for utilities um you know

39:31 ↗ quickly um and then the the plan should

39:34 ↗ be integrated to ensure that we have

39:37 ↗ services that able to support

39:38 ↗ development that's consistent with the

39:39 ↗ land use PL so this is more that

39:41 ↗ integration with the land use element I

39:42 ↗ was mentioning earlier um and also that

39:45 ↗ we need to have a process because like I

39:47 ↗ said most of our new infrastructure is

39:51 ↗ built by developers to our

39:53 ↗ specifications but it but it's built by

39:55 ↗ them when they develop and so we need to

39:57 ↗ make sure that those permits get

39:59 ↗ processed quickly so that we're you know

40:01 ↗ utilities aren't holding development

40:05 ↗ up Mak

40:09 ↗ sense

40:11 ↗ okay um so this is the goal specific to

40:13 ↗ the water

40:14 ↗ utility um and this talks about and

40:17 ↗ maybe this would be an area where we

40:18 ↗ could take Carl's suggestion and break

40:19 ↗ this up because you can see it's

40:20 ↗ actually got several things going on in

40:22 ↗ it you know it's talking about

40:23 ↗ protecting the aquifer reliable levels

40:25 ↗ of service um you know make sure we're

40:28 ↗ taking care of future supplies so this

40:30 ↗ could easily be broken up into multiple

40:32 ↗ individual goals that have individual

40:34 ↗ policy to support them or we can keep it

40:36 ↗ all as one big goal um I don't know if

40:40 ↗ if anybody has a preference that way or

40:44 ↗ if it would read better one way or

40:47 ↗ another well I just reading these it

40:50 ↗ just seems like anytime you start using

40:52 ↗ the word

40:54 ↗ bu than anything after that to me is a

40:58 ↗ policy but I mean it seemed to me that

41:01 ↗ your provide for the city's long-term

41:03 ↗ water needs

41:05 ↗ period That's the

41:07 ↗ goal and then all the rest would be how

41:12 ↗ here's how we're going to do it okay and

41:15 ↗ and I would you know second that concern

41:18 ↗ um most everything in there um except

41:21 ↗ for the very end conservation reuse

41:23 ↗ measures I look at that as more of a

41:25 ↗ overarching goal to make sure we're

41:27 ↗ planning for the needs but also planning

41:29 ↗ for conservation measures and um you

41:31 ↗ know like I said a green and zero impact

41:34 ↗ measures so seems like we could shorten

41:36 ↗ that to provide for the city's long-term

41:39 ↗ water needs um while ensuring

41:42 ↗ conservation reuse measures are or

41:45 ↗ conservation and uh zero impact measures

41:48 ↗ are provided for

41:50 ↗ yeah um you know one one thing that's

41:52 ↗ and and we don't really mention it but

41:54 ↗ one thing that's very complicated with

41:56 ↗ the utilities element is and you don't

41:58 ↗ see it here but so we put the the goal

42:01 ↗ here and then there's a giant list and

42:03 ↗ for water there

42:05 ↗ are 34 individual policies and these

42:09 ↗ policies are all in the water system

42:11 ↗ plan and the water system Plan update

42:13 ↗ recently got approved by the city

42:14 ↗ council and so it's a bit of a chicken

42:17 ↗ and egg issue where the conference of

42:21 ↗ plan and the system plan need to be

42:22 ↗ consistent but which one comes first um

42:25 ↗ and do you need all these individual

42:26 ↗ policies and where do they fall so

42:29 ↗ that's going to be one of the challenges

42:30 ↗ we have specific to utilities it's not

42:32 ↗ really present in any of the other

42:33 ↗ elements because they don't generally

42:36 ↗ have Council approved um other documents

42:39 ↗ floating around you know the central Lo

42:40 ↗ plan is one example obviously the land

42:42 ↗ use settlement will be consistent there

42:44 ↗ um and so I I only mentioned that in

42:48 ↗ that yes there like some of these things

42:49 ↗ here sound policy like and there's all

42:53 ↗ this huge list of policies that we have

42:54 ↗ to somehow figure out how to accommodate

42:57 ↗ so we'll definitely work on that and and

42:59 ↗ talk more about conservation and try to

43:01 ↗ shorten these

43:03 ↗ up you said earlier that

43:06 ↗ um we we hadn't prepared well enough or

43:09 ↗ something like that for when the

43:11 ↗ highlands was de was developed that we

43:13 ↗ had to rely on Cascade or that they had

43:15 ↗ a inner tie yeah I'm just kind of

43:18 ↗ curious about

43:20 ↗ um our ability to be self-reliant um if

43:25 ↗ you know something never Happ

43:26 ↗ that we could provide our water

43:28 ↗ ourselves rather than rely on Cascade so

43:31 ↗ as of today the city actually does have

43:33 ↗ sufficient water rights to do that if we

43:35 ↗ were to somehow lose Cascade water but

43:37 ↗ that you know that would be a temporary

43:39 ↗ measure we have U and the and the this

43:42 ↗ water system plan talks in a lot more

43:44 ↗ detail about exactly what the city's

43:45 ↗ water rights are and how many how much

43:47 ↗ they can provide per day and there's

43:49 ↗ some and there are some frankly some

43:50 ↗ pretty strict limits um on how much

43:54 ↗ water we can draw from our wells today

43:56 ↗ you know and we have to be cons we have

43:58 ↗ to work in in concert with smash Plateau

44:01 ↗ Water and Sewer District because several

44:03 ↗ of their Wells are very close to several

44:05 ↗ of our wells so if we both start drawing

44:08 ↗ up the straw the water level drops and

44:10 ↗ we nobody gets any water so it's it's a

44:12 ↗ compated balancing act of course um so

44:15 ↗ certainly an emergency at the moment we

44:17 ↗ can accommodate it but for future growth

44:20 ↗ we definitely need another water source

44:23 ↗ um you know one of the options for

44:26 ↗ frankly would be to tr attempt to

44:27 ↗ acquire additional water rights but

44:29 ↗ that's a a long complicated process with

44:31 ↗ the Department of

44:32 ↗ ecology um and from a policy standpoint

44:37 ↗ the city has elected to join together

44:39 ↗ with the other member cities of cascade

44:41 ↗ um to develop other

44:44 ↗ sources I want to piggy back on his

44:47 ↗ question um what about the parts of

44:51 ↗ isqua that are on the Belleview water

44:53 ↗ system right over in montro was right so

44:58 ↗ when we annexed it it was so the general

45:00 ↗ answer there is um montro water so

45:03 ↗ monro's mantro water supply comes from B

45:07 ↗ although the the physical infrastructure

45:08 ↗ belongs to this city greenw Point South

45:11 ↗ Cove is completely bellw bellw owns the

45:13 ↗ infrastructure bellw supplies the water

45:16 ↗ um we're currently in the beginning

45:18 ↗ stages of talking to bellev about

45:22 ↗ assuming um their portions of the of the

45:24 ↗ system within our city limits because

45:25 ↗ growth management act calls for the

45:28 ↗ cities to provide those those Urban

45:31 ↗ public services within their boundaries

45:33 ↗ that's where we had the thing with with

45:34 ↗ saman Plateau the last couple years

45:36 ↗ that's been negotiated about um like I

45:39 ↗ said we're talking to bie about doing

45:41 ↗ that um I don't know the long-term plans

45:45 ↗ as to how that water supply would

45:46 ↗ continue right now what happens is Belle

45:49 ↗ has a meter on the inner tie and they

45:52 ↗ just they bill us for how much water and

45:55 ↗ that is pass through to the individual

45:59 ↗ excuse me utility

46:01 ↗ customers before we move on I want to go

46:03 ↗ back to Paul's comment about um the

46:05 ↗ highlands and it it was a phased

46:08 ↗ development agreement for 20 years and

46:10 ↗ so it wasn't that we weren't ready for

46:12 ↗ them to grow we wouldn't let them grow

46:14 ↗ like for example they they got to have

46:16 ↗ 500 homes before The Interchange was

46:18 ↗ built and they couldn't get anymore

46:20 ↗ until we built the interchange with them

46:22 ↗ and we wouldn't let them get a certain

46:23 ↗ amount of houses um after that 500 until

46:27 ↗ we had a regional water solution figured

46:29 ↗ out so we used them and that sort of

46:32 ↗ Leverage to have them help us partner to

46:34 ↗ get the inner tie because they couldn't

46:36 ↗ grow any farther until they had the

46:38 ↗ water and then we would let them have

46:41 ↗ people move into the houses so it was

46:43 ↗ sort of a phased 20-year plan that that

46:45 ↗ we helped and the developer helped

46:47 ↗ Leverage The Water Service because we

46:49 ↗ weren't going to let them have houses

46:51 ↗ until that was all figured out so I just

46:53 ↗ wanted to sort of flip it the other way

46:54 ↗ around is is that's how we got the the

46:57 ↗ um the inner tie was we worked with a

46:59 ↗ developer because we knew that they

47:01 ↗ wanted to have water for their folks and

47:03 ↗ we knew that we couldn't provide water

47:05 ↗ until we had the service so we we did

47:07 ↗ that

47:10 ↗ together Jason you we talked about sores

47:14 ↗ that in here says that you would add

47:16 ↗ more sores if where where in the city

47:19 ↗ would you be

47:20 ↗ adding so so I'll skip ahead I'll put

47:22 ↗ the sewer utility here so um we have

47:26 ↗ sewer Lines within the city we have pump

47:29 ↗ stations in various places and the the

47:31 ↗ whole gener for for those who aren't

47:34 ↗ technically inclined the whole concept

47:35 ↗ of of sewers is the stuff flows downhill

47:39 ↗ as you might suspect so whole idea is to

47:41 ↗ get it all to flow downhill into the

47:43 ↗ various big and we're talking really big

47:46 ↗ Metro sewer lines and those sewer lines

47:48 ↗ transport it to the treatment

47:50 ↗ plants

47:52 ↗ um the suit the lines are generally in

47:56 ↗ underneath our roads um there there are

47:59 ↗ standards for which side of the road

48:00 ↗ which things go on so they're very

48:02 ↗ careful with that um and the sewer

48:06 ↗ system plan talks about you know there's

48:07 ↗ a for example there's a deficiency in

48:09 ↗ this one area and so longterm we'll need

48:11 ↗ to correct that for more development or

48:13 ↗ maybe this sewer line is very old so

48:15 ↗ we'll need to replace that in the next

48:16 ↗ five years um so these things are we are

48:19 ↗ counting for these things and again like

48:20 ↗ Trisha is saying we we also will get the

48:24 ↗ developers to help us pay for this and

48:25 ↗ in some cases we can even say before you

48:27 ↗ can do anything you need to install the

48:29 ↗ sewers so one example is we generally

48:33 ↗ speaking will not let anybody in the

48:34 ↗ city develop on a septic system um for a

48:37 ↗ variety of policy reasons stemming from

48:39 ↗ sain County Public Health to local city

48:41 ↗ policy and so before you can get a

48:44 ↗ certificate of occupancy for a for

48:46 ↗ example a single family house you you

48:47 ↗ need to have a sewer line plugged in no

48:50 ↗ I just meant is there any area of the

48:52 ↗ city now that is not on sources system

48:56 ↗ Sycamore

48:58 ↗ syamore where Sycamore syamore yeah

49:01 ↗ parts of the Sycamore neighborhood are

49:02 ↗ the biggest example and is the um Lewis

49:05 ↗ Lane still that I don't know about Lewis

49:07 ↗ Lane I know so the the so I know the

49:12 ↗ lower parts of Sycamore that are close

49:13 ↗ to the creek are not I think parts of

49:15 ↗ Lis Lane still might not be the the

49:17 ↗ stuff above Sycamore up on the hill side

49:19 ↗ is generally served by sewer because one

49:21 ↗ came in through the sunrise project um

49:24 ↗ some number of years ago they're not on

49:26 ↗ big enough Lots up there to be on the

49:29 ↗ septic so

49:30 ↗ correct

49:32 ↗ okay oh

49:35 ↗ um up up the hill um overdale overdale

49:39 ↗ thank you is also on on septic although

49:41 ↗ that's within C Plateau water sewer

49:43 ↗ District's service area and so the

49:45 ↗ city's utility does not serve that um so

49:48 ↗ that's something that that Sam plat

49:54 ↗ addresses

49:56 ↗ okay so this I have a question also um

49:59 ↗ it's kind of similar to the water

50:01 ↗ question that I have but just kind of

50:02 ↗ looking regionally um has there ever

50:04 ↗ been a discussion of a treatment plant

50:06 ↗ so we can be more self-reliant I'm just

50:09 ↗ kind of curious of History discussions

50:11 ↗ or that so that that goes I can hit so

50:14 ↗ that goes all the way back frankly to

50:16 ↗ the to the 60s and 70s where back and I

50:20 ↗ hate to go all the way back that far but

50:21 ↗ back then individual cities largely were

50:23 ↗ dumping we were on a lot of septics

50:25 ↗ systems City individual cities were

50:27 ↗ having to take their sewage and do

50:28 ↗ something with it whether they were

50:30 ↗ treated or simply just dumping it

50:31 ↗ straight into rivers and lakes and so

50:33 ↗ what we ended up with was Lake

50:34 ↗ Washington for example was severely

50:36 ↗ polluted and a variety of of communities

50:41 ↗ and and business people got together and

50:43 ↗ formed the met the municipality of

50:45 ↗ Metropolitan Seattle Metro they built

50:48 ↗ the West Point treatment plant they

50:49 ↗ built the rent and treatment plant they

50:51 ↗ have built today you know today and

50:54 ↗ today it's King County

50:56 ↗ um and they built Bright Water so we

50:58 ↗ deal with sewage treatment regionally

51:01 ↗ partly because these plants are

51:03 ↗ extremely expensive Bright Water alone

51:05 ↗ cost over a billion dollars and it's and

51:07 ↗ of course it's designed to serve a very

51:09 ↗ large service area a lot of people but

51:11 ↗ it would it's basically cost prohibitive

51:13 ↗ for isqua to go alone um not it could be

51:16 ↗ done but I think you'd see a massive

51:18 ↗ jump in sewer rates take a lot of land

51:21 ↗ too yeah and we' have to find some place

51:23 ↗ to put it right I don't think there's of

51:25 ↗ vacant land right I just wanted to see

51:27 ↗ what and if there was driver of of land

51:30 ↗ use um back before the highlands back

51:32 ↗ when it was Grand Ridge um in the county

51:35 ↗ they had approved 500 platted 5 acre

51:38 ↗ homes and they came to the city and said

51:41 ↗ what do you think about 500 septic

51:44 ↗ systems right over your aquifer we just

51:45 ↗ got it approved you don't want to talk

51:47 ↗ to us about maybe another kind of

51:50 ↗ development there we'll help you with

51:51 ↗ the interchange we'll you know do some

51:53 ↗ mixed juice and we'll have it on a sewer

51:55 ↗ a sewer system because we were just

51:58 ↗ couldn't believe that you know but you

51:59 ↗ know King County they're rural that you

52:01 ↗ know septic is fine but we thought it's

52:03 ↗ right over our aquafer what could go

52:05 ↗ wrong well a lot of things could go

52:07 ↗ wrong so that was that helped us start

52:09 ↗ the negotiation with the developer

52:11 ↗ because they had they were already

52:13 ↗ approved in King County and were ready

52:14 ↗ to start pumping pumping septic systems

52:17 ↗ in the in the plat so so it's it's a

52:20 ↗ huge driver of land use there was a uh

52:23 ↗ discussion a couple years ago quite a

52:25 ↗ few years ago about building some kind

52:27 ↗ of a plant over where the um at the base

52:31 ↗ of esqua Hobart Road not isob is Pine

52:35 ↗ Lake Road in that that area wasn't there

52:38 ↗ a big discussion and people were upset

52:41 ↗ they were going to build some kind of a

52:42 ↗ treatment plant over there there was a a

52:45 ↗ surface water um a pond a retaining it

52:50 ↗ was kind of a yeah okay of of septic and

52:54 ↗ SE no I don't know what I don't remember

52:56 ↗ what it was but it was going to be that

52:57 ↗ were going to go in there infiltration

52:59 ↗ ponds it was going to be a something

53:02 ↗ that that uh had a lot of smoke coming

53:05 ↗ out of it and I can't remember what the

53:07 ↗ process was I just thought maybe you

53:09 ↗ remember no

53:12 ↗ okay is this familiar no I'll think

53:15 ↗ about my my history isn't as long as

53:17 ↗ Tres

53:19 ↗ though I just wanted to to see if it was

53:23 ↗ a storage treatment plant that they were

53:24 ↗ going to put in there yeah I don't I

53:26 ↗ don't think it was it was something

53:28 ↗ else you had mentioned that any any new

53:30 ↗ developments um have to be on the sewer

53:33 ↗ system is there any sort of e exemption

53:36 ↗ available if you are making a zero

53:38 ↗ impact development or just a single

53:41 ↗ family home making it zero impact is

53:43 ↗ there any way to keep something off the

53:45 ↗ sewer system if someone has the ability

53:48 ↗ the general answer is no um sewage I and

53:53 ↗ I and I understand what you're getting

53:55 ↗ at because and I know that there's

53:56 ↗ things like composting toilets and and

53:58 ↗ ways to deal with that but um the

54:03 ↗ general you

54:05 ↗ know under GMA you know we have policies

54:08 ↗ about providing

54:11 ↗ sewers um and so we have to do that um

54:14 ↗ it's highly unlikely you could get that

54:16 ↗ signed off by Sean County Public Health

54:19 ↗ or the city not to say that somebody

54:20 ↗ couldn't try but but even zome for

54:22 ↗ example which is you you know net the

54:25 ↗ Whole Net Zero idea with energy and also

54:27 ↗ you know they try to be very

54:28 ↗ conservative with water use they're on

54:30 ↗ City sewers and they do dump waste water

54:33 ↗ down the City sewers so the lot has to

54:36 ↗ be a certain size and I don't think

54:38 ↗ there's any Builder that would put in um

54:43 ↗ houses that are far enough away about an

54:45 ↗ acre of land or whatever the size is

54:48 ↗ that they're going to have to put in I

54:49 ↗ don't think that would

54:54 ↗ happen anybody else on

54:58 ↗ sewers okay uh surface water drainage or

55:01 ↗ storm water um again a very very long

55:04 ↗ long looking goal here um we can

55:07 ↗ certainly try to break this up but you

55:09 ↗ and you can see buil into there there's

55:11 ↗ been several plans over the last 20 30

55:14 ↗ years that talk about storm water runoff

55:17 ↗ um the central Loa plan has to address

55:19 ↗ storm water the rally development

55:21 ↗ agreement for example addresses storm

55:22 ↗ water um it's one it is one of the big

55:25 ↗ deals here especially because storm

55:27 ↗ water goes ultimately into our waterways

55:30 ↗ into our into isqua Creek into Lake

55:32 ↗ samamish and we need to ensure that

55:34 ↗ first of all it's it we're we're

55:36 ↗ controlling the outflow so that we're

55:38 ↗ not getting a lot of erosion or we're

55:39 ↗ not flooding things down stream we need

55:42 ↗ to make sure water quality is high

55:43 ↗ enough so that we're protecting you know

55:45 ↗ the creek and the lake for for salmon

55:47 ↗ and other Wildlife um and also all the

55:49 ↗ plant life um we do work a lot um so one

55:53 ↗ of the things that one of the

55:54 ↗ implementation strategies that isn't

55:56 ↗ that that comes down from this goal is

56:00 ↗ the newer versions of the surface wire

56:02 ↗ design manual that isqu uses do call for

56:04 ↗ a lot of low impact development

56:06 ↗ techniques trying to infiltrate water

56:08 ↗ where possible whether it's through rain

56:11 ↗ Gardens or or some other method so we do

56:14 ↗ the best we can but for example on the

56:16 ↗ valley floor here the water table is not

56:18 ↗ down that far and so infiltration is

56:20 ↗ difficult here and especially when it

56:21 ↗ rains a lot the water table starts

56:23 ↗ creeping up um so we do we do what we

56:27 ↗ can but we still need to make sure that

56:30 ↗ we have adequate provision for storm

56:31 ↗ water here so we don't get flooding and

56:33 ↗ other um habitat

56:40 ↗ damage

56:43 ↗ okay private utilities so this is where

56:45 ↗ it starts to get very very Broad in

56:47 ↗ general because of course we don't

56:48 ↗ directly control the private utilities

56:50 ↗ um so you can see the goal here is just

56:52 ↗ coordinate our land use and utility

56:54 ↗ planning to ensure consistency and to

56:57 ↗ let and also to let the the providers

56:59 ↗ themselves meet their obligations

57:03 ↗ so you could certainly try to build a

57:05 ↗ house without a connection to the power

57:07 ↗ grid I've seen it done not in isqua but

57:10 ↗ I've seen it done um but generally

57:12 ↗ speaking we're talking about houses are

57:13 ↗ going to have to be connected to power

57:14 ↗ they're going to have natural gas

57:16 ↗ they're going to have a um you know a

57:18 ↗ cable line or a telephone line or maybe

57:20 ↗ both um and so we need to ensure that

57:23 ↗ those providers Comcast um P Sound

57:26 ↗ Energy broad stripe um Quest that they

57:29 ↗ can all that that our planning is

57:31 ↗ consistent with their planning that they

57:32 ↗ can get in to do um provide the

57:35 ↗ utilities that they

57:40 ↗ provide okay Solid Waste um this is

57:43 ↗ implemented through actually can we go

57:45 ↗ back to uh the private utilities section

57:48 ↗ real quick here um it's my understanding

57:50 ↗ that the uh Highlands when they went

57:53 ↗ through their development was able to

57:54 ↗ also

57:55 ↗ um bring in

57:58 ↗ um oh what's the word I'm look looking

58:01 ↗ for the uh fiber fiber networks and I

58:03 ↗ don't see that addressed in the

58:06 ↗ telecommu or cable or anything to

58:08 ↗ address maybe expansion of that yeah and

58:10 ↗ we've actually gotten a couple comments

58:12 ↗ about this about that or about similar

58:15 ↗ issues and the city actually

58:19 ↗ um the city actually just went through

58:22 ↗ um or Comm commission a task force

58:25 ↗ recently to talk about um technology

58:27 ↗ infrastructure and so you don't see it

58:29 ↗ in here but we're going to be pulling

58:31 ↗ those that task force of recommendations

58:33 ↗ and trying to pull them into this a

58:34 ↗ little better to um because I know that

58:37 ↗ that recommendation talks about things

58:38 ↗ like fiber and Wi-Fi you know Wi-Fi and

58:41 ↗ things like that so it it didn't make it

58:44 ↗ into this version but we're aiming to

58:46 ↗ get that uh involved so that you guys

58:48 ↗ can take a better look at it right

58:50 ↗ because that got into the central plan

58:52 ↗ yeah so that would be able to trickle

58:53 ↗ into this as well

58:55 ↗ good question good

59:00 ↗ comment all right uh back to solid waste

59:04 ↗ so

59:06 ↗ um this is a very long thing we'll again

59:08 ↗ look to cut this down a little bit but

59:10 ↗ there's a lot of things and but there's

59:12 ↗ a lot of things going on here of course

59:13 ↗ we don't want trash piling up in the

59:14 ↗ street we're also looking you know one

59:16 ↗ of our big sustainability goals is to uh

59:19 ↗ get as high a percentage of so-called

59:21 ↗ waste diversion as possible which which

59:23 ↗ is to say we're trying to send as little

59:25 ↗ to the landfill as we absolutely can we

59:26 ↗ want to recycle things we want to

59:28 ↗ compost things we want to even just

59:30 ↗ reduce the amount of solid waste we're

59:31 ↗ sending period by having people be more

59:34 ↗ efficient by using different packaging

59:36 ↗ and so that's why you see you know we

59:37 ↗ have the plastic bag band um the the

59:41 ↗ pack the various food packaging

59:42 ↗ requirements you know people can't use

59:44 ↗ foam containers because that those

59:47 ↗ things go straight to the landfill

59:48 ↗ eventually and so that's one way we're

59:50 ↗ implementing this there's other things

59:52 ↗ we can do um clearly but this this is

59:54 ↗ the the big picture goal to try to help

59:56 ↗ get us there

59:59 ↗ um I don't know if you think anything's

1:00:01 ↗ missing or we should delete some things

1:00:03 ↗ from

1:00:08 ↗ this uh not anything that's necessarily

1:00:10 ↗ missing per se um I did notice that the

1:00:13 ↗ future conditions um

1:00:17 ↗ involve uh tempting trying to reduce the

1:00:20 ↗ collection of waste and and divert it

1:00:22 ↗ off to recycling composting um what

1:00:26 ↗ strategies are being looked at for that

1:00:28 ↗ currently that may make it into the plan

1:00:31 ↗ but aren't necessarily in this

1:00:33 ↗ one um so some some of us like I

1:00:36 ↗ mentioned before we're we're

1:00:38 ↗ aggressively pushing recycling we've

1:00:40 ↗ implemented a food waste program we

1:00:43 ↗ encourage people to compost you know in

1:00:45 ↗ their own backyards if they want to so

1:00:47 ↗ and we help provide um you know some you

1:00:52 ↗ know provide help for people to do that

1:00:56 ↗ um what else I don't know exact I don't

1:00:59 ↗ I can't remember exactly what the

1:01:00 ↗ cleanscapes contract calls for for

1:01:02 ↗ example um I can definitely check with

1:01:04 ↗ the office of sustainability and and

1:01:06 ↗ find out though okay yeah and the reason

1:01:09 ↗ I'm asking is you know uh until recently

1:01:12 ↗ I was living in city of Seattle and I

1:01:14 ↗ know that for uh developments in those

1:01:17 ↗ areas uh there's random spot checks of

1:01:20 ↗ recycling to ensure that um waste isn't

1:01:24 ↗ being recycled and recyclable material

1:01:26 ↗ isn't being thrown into waste with a um

1:01:29 ↗ monetary penalty that evident that

1:01:33 ↗ essentially gets passed down to the um

1:01:35 ↗ renters in those developments and that

1:01:37 ↗ may be something that could be looked at

1:01:46 ↗ definitely okay Public

1:01:48 ↗ Services um so this one and and this

1:01:52 ↗ goal starts relating to the capital

1:01:53 ↗ facilities element as well um and and

1:01:56 ↗ all the utility ele and all the utility

1:01:58 ↗ goals kind of do in their own way but

1:02:00 ↗ this one very much gets at it because um

1:02:02 ↗ this is talking about how we provide to

1:02:04 ↗ or ensuring that we're providing

1:02:06 ↗ sufficient police and fire and Med and

1:02:08 ↗ Emergency Medical Services and

1:02:10 ↗ coordinating that with our Landy

1:02:12 ↗ decisions um and that we have adequate

1:02:14 ↗ and you know and that it says at the

1:02:15 ↗ bottom that we've made adequate

1:02:17 ↗ provision to accommodate the demands of

1:02:18 ↗ new development that can mean we need to

1:02:20 ↗ buy new you know more police cars and

1:02:22 ↗ hire more police officers or maybe build

1:02:23 ↗ new fire station thing you know things

1:02:26 ↗ like

1:02:33 ↗ that

1:02:36 ↗ okay this one essential public

1:02:38 ↗ facilities um there is a list of

1:02:41 ↗ essential public facilities that are

1:02:42 ↗ listed um in state law these are things

1:02:46 ↗ like

1:02:47 ↗ um well help me out Trish airports is

1:02:50 ↗ the first one I airports um sound sound

1:02:54 ↗ transits high capacity high-capacity

1:02:57 ↗ Transit is another essential public

1:02:59 ↗ facility wastewater treatment plants are

1:03:02 ↗ it's really anything that a community

1:03:04 ↗ needs but it's hard to site because um

1:03:07 ↗ of land use issues and neighborhood

1:03:08 ↗ issues so they're usually big um smelly

1:03:13 ↗ sometimes um I think sex offender

1:03:16 ↗ housing is one of them um but they're

1:03:20 ↗ they're the tough things to site that

1:03:22 ↗ everybody needs the regional things so

1:03:24 ↗ they put it in the state regulations

1:03:27 ↗ that you had to provide for them they

1:03:29 ↗ just said quit doing the nimi thing you

1:03:31 ↗ all have to provide for them if we site

1:03:33 ↗ one there so so you can see the gold

1:03:36 ↗ just talks about well state law says we

1:03:38 ↗ have to provide for a process for it

1:03:40 ↗ there the goal says we have to provide a

1:03:41 ↗ process for it and and we do implement

1:03:44 ↗ this um we have a process fortunately we

1:03:47 ↗ haven't had to use it right

1:03:51 ↗ forun um information techn olog this

1:03:54 ↗ gets back to the your question about

1:03:56 ↗ private utilities and and and other it

1:03:58 ↗ things we'll be updating this with some

1:04:00 ↗ of the recommendations from the um the

1:04:03 ↗ the task force that I mentioned earlier

1:04:06 ↗ because this s this is very generic but

1:04:08 ↗ we're going to want to have some very

1:04:10 ↗ solid policies to back this

1:04:15 ↗ up okay so that's utilities and public

1:04:18 ↗ services one down one to

1:04:21 ↗ go so now we're on to Capital facilities

1:04:26 ↗ and so here's the vision for for for

1:04:29 ↗ Capital

1:04:30 ↗ facilities and it's lengthy and

1:04:34 ↗ hopefully you've all had a chance to to

1:04:36 ↗ see it in the packet and I'm wondering

1:04:38 ↗ if anybody has feedback on things we

1:04:42 ↗ should add or things we should take away

1:04:44 ↗ or things or you can even Wordsmith it

1:04:46 ↗ if you

1:04:53 ↗ want

1:04:55 ↗ some of the things you see here are are

1:04:57 ↗ coming from state law where because

1:04:59 ↗ state law provides for that we have to

1:05:02 ↗ do certain things when it comes to

1:05:03 ↗ Capital facilities and providing for um

1:05:07 ↗ how we pay for for the the needs of

1:05:10 ↗ growth so um that's just a little bit of

1:05:13 ↗ extra background on the

1:05:15 ↗ vision and I'll get to that stuff in a

1:05:21 ↗ moment okay

1:05:25 ↗ so these are the GMA requirements and

1:05:27 ↗ and they're quite specific and can be

1:05:30 ↗ tricky to implement so we have to have

1:05:32 ↗ an inventory uh currently there is a map

1:05:35 ↗ in the existing Capital facilities

1:05:36 ↗ element um this is something we'd

1:05:38 ↗ probably be pulling out of the element

1:05:40 ↗ itself and adopting by reference uh and

1:05:42 ↗ I'll get to a few more details on that

1:05:43 ↗ in a moment um we have to have a

1:05:45 ↗ forecast of future needs so this is

1:05:47 ↗ where the the growth target comes into

1:05:49 ↗ play and how we're projecting growth

1:05:50 ↗ because uh most of our so we have levels

1:05:53 ↗ of of service

1:05:55 ↗ for all the various Capital facilities

1:05:58 ↗ police and fire and utilities and for

1:06:02 ↗ General government and for Parks

1:06:03 ↗ Transportation all these things and so

1:06:06 ↗ these this health informs us to

1:06:07 ↗ determine well how much how much do we

1:06:09 ↗ need how much investment do we need to

1:06:11 ↗ make going

1:06:12 ↗ forward another thing we have to have is

1:06:14 ↗ the proposed location and capacities of

1:06:16 ↗ these new facilities so we need to have

1:06:19 ↗ a plan um that shows where we going to

1:06:21 ↗ build new roads over the next six seven

1:06:23 ↗ years we have that it's the

1:06:24 ↗ transportation Improvement plan you can

1:06:26 ↗ see where we're planning to build roads

1:06:28 ↗ um we Al in the capital in the capital

1:06:30 ↗ facilities plan we lay out okay we need

1:06:33 ↗ to buy two new police cars in this year

1:06:35 ↗ to accommodate growth for example um and

1:06:38 ↗ and things on like that or we need to

1:06:40 ↗ get you know we need to build out this

1:06:42 ↗ new park confence Park's a great example

1:06:44 ↗ um we started building that out it's a

1:06:46 ↗ great new park uh for the

1:06:50 ↗ city next thing and I mentioned before

1:06:52 ↗ we have to have a six-year plan to

1:06:54 ↗ Finance these necessary Capital facility

1:06:57 ↗ Investments and we have to show how we

1:06:59 ↗ would pay for it that's the tricky

1:07:03 ↗ part and then we have to have policies

1:07:05 ↗ to reassess the land use element if uh

1:07:08 ↗ we don't have enough money

1:07:11 ↗ um because we have to keep the land

1:07:14 ↗ element Capital facilities um we have to

1:07:16 ↗ keep all this stuff consistent so the

1:07:19 ↗ trick here though is it says we have to

1:07:21 ↗ have policies to reassess the Lage

1:07:22 ↗ element but doesn't actually say that we

1:07:24 ↗ need to change the land

1:07:28 ↗ element and then there's some other

1:07:30 ↗ requirements that play into this and

1:07:31 ↗ these are related to the impact the the

1:07:34 ↗ state law about impact fees this city

1:07:36 ↗ charges impact fees and so because we do

1:07:38 ↗ that we have these extra um three

1:07:40 ↗ requirements so we have to identify the

1:07:42 ↗ deficiencies in public facilities

1:07:43 ↗ serving our existing development and how

1:07:45 ↗ we would correct those deficiencies so

1:07:48 ↗ we have a the city is 32 33,000 people

1:07:50 ↗ today maybe we're short on Parks we have

1:07:53 ↗ to identify how do we make up the

1:07:54 ↗ shortfall in Parks capacity with our own

1:07:57 ↗ funding we can't fund that through

1:07:58 ↗ impact fees um and so that's number one

1:08:02 ↗ the second thing is we have to identify

1:08:04 ↗ de um demands placed on the existing

1:08:06 ↗ facilities by new development so how

1:08:08 ↗ would new development for example impact

1:08:11 ↗ um the police station across the street

1:08:13 ↗ how would it impact um the part you know

1:08:16 ↗ the Memorial Field behind the police

1:08:19 ↗ station and then finally we have to um

1:08:22 ↗ identify how what we would need to do to

1:08:25 ↗ serve the new development that we can't

1:08:26 ↗ serve with our existing facilities and

1:08:29 ↗ that's where the impact fee comes into

1:08:31 ↗ play because we can charge the impact

1:08:32 ↗ fee for those new those growth

1:08:35 ↗ facilities but we can't charge an impact

1:08:37 ↗ fee to correct the existing deficiencies

1:08:40 ↗ so um we just replaced Station 72 Fire

1:08:43 ↗ Station 72 over near the transit center

1:08:46 ↗ recently that was paid for that was not

1:08:48 ↗ paid for by impact fees because that is

1:08:50 ↗ serving existing population um and

1:08:54 ↗ and correcting if you will an existing

1:08:56 ↗ deficiency because they were in a pretty

1:08:57 ↗ Ram shekele building across the

1:09:01 ↗ street so now we're into the goals and

1:09:04 ↗ this is the

1:09:06 ↗ um this is kind of the general goal for

1:09:10 ↗ Capital facilities and that's to we have

1:09:12 ↗ to provide adequate services and

1:09:14 ↗ Facilities which exist address the

1:09:17 ↗ existing deficiencies and future needs

1:09:19 ↗ so this is just pulling all those G

1:09:21 ↗ requirements right back into one big

1:09:23 ↗ goal

1:09:25 ↗ um it talks about you can see level of

1:09:26 ↗ service realistic timelines has to be

1:09:33 ↗ sustainable this might also be a good

1:09:35 ↗ time we attach this to your P to your

1:09:37 ↗ packet at the end um in today's Capital

1:09:41 ↗ facilities element there's a whole lot

1:09:43 ↗ of tables very number filled tables

1:09:45 ↗ talking about level of

1:09:47 ↗ service and this is the analysis we do

1:09:50 ↗ to make to see where are we at what do

1:09:52 ↗ we need to add in future years where

1:09:54 ↗ might we have deficiencies today the

1:09:57 ↗ proposal is to pull all of these tables

1:09:58 ↗ out of the capital facilities element

1:10:01 ↗ because um as Trish mentioned in her

1:10:03 ↗ introduction we can only amend the comp

1:10:05 ↗ plan once every year and that uh and

1:10:08 ↗ unfortunately the timing the the timings

1:10:10 ↗ of when we adopt the capital facilities

1:10:12 ↗ plan when we adopt the budget and when

1:10:14 ↗ the comp plan gets submitted every year

1:10:15 ↗ don't line up and so what we're trying

1:10:17 ↗ to do is to align all of our Capital

1:10:20 ↗ facility planning at one time uh usually

1:10:23 ↗ the Capal facilities plan is adopted in

1:10:25 ↗ June or July and so by pulling it out

1:10:28 ↗ directly out of the the capital

1:10:30 ↗ facilities element by by keeping it

1:10:32 ↗ adopted by reference we can continually

1:10:34 ↗ update this as the information becomes

1:10:35 ↗ available and we can still refer to it

1:10:38 ↗ but we don't we're not logged into this

1:10:40 ↗ once a year once a year once a year

1:10:41 ↗ update cycle the uh state law

1:10:44 ↗ mandates so you can see it talks about

1:10:47 ↗ you know and it's got targets

1:10:49 ↗ for um you know how how many fire

1:10:51 ↗ stations we need what you know what's

1:10:53 ↗ that based off it talks about how much

1:10:56 ↗ how much water flow do we need for fire

1:10:57 ↗ Mains it talks about the um the current

1:11:02 ↗ Transportation um standards and and

1:11:04 ↗ level of service yeah and I actually had

1:11:07 ↗ uh one question on the fire level of

1:11:09 ↗ service standards table cf5 on page 41

1:11:13 ↗ yeah um it currently looks like uh we

1:11:17 ↗ have been running and are currently

1:11:18 ↗ running a um an assive deficit yeah

1:11:22 ↗ pretty severe asset deficit

1:11:24 ↗ and I was wondering as far as the

1:11:25 ↗ calculation goes I know you know certain

1:11:28 ↗ stations station 71 being a prime

1:11:30 ↗ example um usually have anywhere from um

1:11:34 ↗ two to three operational apparatus there

1:11:36 ↗ I believe it's 871 engine 71 and engine

1:11:39 ↗ 71a um depending on whether it's in the

1:11:42 ↗ shop or not right um are these apparatus

1:11:44 ↗ numbers calculated on staffed apparatus

1:11:48 ↗ for instance there's one crew there that

1:11:51 ↗ operate of three that operates both the

1:11:53 ↗ a car and the fire so is that one or is

1:11:55 ↗ that counted as two so where fire level

1:11:59 ↗ service gets really tricky is and the

1:12:01 ↗ notes don't always come through but the

1:12:04 ↗ the fire level of service was actually

1:12:06 ↗ for for the city of isqua was actually

1:12:08 ↗ adopted all the way back in 1999 shortly

1:12:10 ↗ before the formation of East Side Fire

1:12:12 ↗ and Rescue and so what this is showing

1:12:14 ↗ is what would the city need to have an

1:12:17 ↗ independent fire

1:12:18 ↗ agency because we're a member of East

1:12:21 ↗ Side Fire um we have access to other

1:12:26 ↗ assets so the level of service analysis

1:12:30 ↗ shows this deficiency it doesn't really

1:12:32 ↗ exist because if they have a big problem

1:12:35 ↗ they're going to call in units from

1:12:36 ↗ elsewhere and East Side Fire maintains

1:12:38 ↗ their own um Lev service standards that

1:12:41 ↗ show are they meeting response time do

1:12:43 ↗ they have enough apparatus things like

1:12:45 ↗ that so this is a little bit misleading

1:12:47 ↗ but this is a good way to show well you

1:12:49 ↗ know say say we wanted to form our own

1:12:51 ↗ fire department well here's what it

1:12:52 ↗ here's what it take okay and now is this

1:12:54 ↗ something that we under the GMA has to

1:12:57 ↗ be individualized or can we reference

1:13:00 ↗ the efr numbers and and integrate the

1:13:03 ↗ two to show what we're actually at we

1:13:05 ↗ need to have it separate

1:13:10 ↗ unfortunately um yeah so like's just

1:13:12 ↗ talking about you know the fire one is

1:13:14 ↗ the is one of the most most complicated

1:13:16 ↗ ones because of that we need because we

1:13:18 ↗ need to do it solely for isqua and can't

1:13:20 ↗ worry about the fact that East Side Fire

1:13:23 ↗ is also fire district 10 Fire District

1:13:25 ↗ 38 city of samamish um city of North

1:13:28 ↗ Bend so you

1:13:30 ↗ know um that's something that that's not

1:13:33 ↗ easy to take into account right but for

1:13:35 ↗ example on along that same point when we

1:13:37 ↗ did the study to Annex clani we actually

1:13:40 ↗ used the numbers from East Side Fire and

1:13:42 ↗ Rescue to figure out what we would need

1:13:44 ↗ to do as a city to serve that new area

1:13:47 ↗ because we know that the way that GMA

1:13:49 ↗ has us calculated wouldn't have been a

1:13:51 ↗ true calculation of what we really would

1:13:53 ↗ need to do to serve it so we actually

1:13:54 ↗ went to through the district and worked

1:13:56 ↗ with them and their numbers and whose

1:13:58 ↗ apparatus and whose fire station was

1:14:00 ↗ closer to figure that part out because

1:14:02 ↗ that's the real service provision not

1:14:04 ↗ the on the numbers you know on the books

1:14:06 ↗ thing so so there are two different ways

1:14:09 ↗ to use the numbers yeah one one thing

1:14:11 ↗ I'll point out you know the the the

1:14:13 ↗ tables you see that I that I pulled out

1:14:15 ↗ these are the tables as they existed in

1:14:17 ↗ essentially last year's conference Plan

1:14:18 ↗ update these numbers have not been

1:14:20 ↗ updated based on the population chart

1:14:22 ↗ that Trish you earlier because like I

1:14:25 ↗ said we're going to pull all these out

1:14:27 ↗ and also we don't have a 2014 population

1:14:29 ↗ estimate from the state yet um that'll

1:14:31 ↗ be coming in another month or month and

1:14:33 ↗ a half so we'll certainly update all

1:14:35 ↗ these tables when we get the right

1:14:36 ↗ numbers but for now you're essentially

1:14:38 ↗ seeing last year's number so you you

1:14:41 ↗ know you'll see a 2018 projected total

1:14:43 ↗ population of

1:14:44 ↗ 37,000 which is not what we're showing

1:14:46 ↗ in the population chart these days um

1:14:49 ↗ and and so that will require some some

1:14:51 ↗ investment so you know you can see in

1:14:52 ↗ the police

1:14:54 ↗ um table you'll see a fairly large

1:14:57 ↗ potential Surplus that can be a little

1:14:59 ↗ misleading though because like I said

1:15:01 ↗ first of all the population estimate is

1:15:02 ↗ low and second of all um it you know if

1:15:06 ↗ you look at column two just for example

1:15:08 ↗ under police the number of calls for

1:15:11 ↗ service total calls for service has been

1:15:13 ↗ staying relatively stagnant for a decade

1:15:16 ↗ as the City's population is doubled so

1:15:19 ↗ you know that's something to consider

1:15:21 ↗ when when you look at this is to say

1:15:22 ↗ well maybe things have you know we

1:15:24 ↗ lasted the the the study the level of

1:15:26 ↗ service study a long time ago maybe

1:15:27 ↗ things have changed maybe the police

1:15:29 ↗ department is much more efficient um or

1:15:31 ↗ maybe

1:15:32 ↗ simply things are going great for is a

1:15:37 ↗ claw um see here Parks is one of the

1:15:41 ↗ interesting ones here and there's quite

1:15:43 ↗ a few tables for this the way we did

1:15:45 ↗ Parks is and and you can see table cf9

1:15:48 ↗ it's on page 44 of your packet this list

1:15:51 ↗ at the time the study was done all the

1:15:52 ↗ various Park facil fa ities as a quad

1:15:54 ↗ possess and rather than having adopting

1:15:55 ↗ an individual level of service for each

1:15:57 ↗ of these types of facilities like we

1:15:58 ↗ need to have one Amphitheater per 30,000

1:16:02 ↗ people we need to have um you

1:16:05 ↗ know X number of square feet of

1:16:07 ↗ community center per per person what we

1:16:10 ↗ did instead to give the city council

1:16:12 ↗ more flexibility is we total up the

1:16:13 ↗ value of all these facilities and then

1:16:15 ↗ determined how many dollars per capita

1:16:19 ↗ do we need of parks investment because

1:16:21 ↗ that gives the council flexibility to

1:16:23 ↗ invest the parks money where they see

1:16:26 ↗ where where they can see it would have

1:16:27 ↗ the most uh effect so if you were to do

1:16:31 ↗ a strict by the individual types of Park

1:16:33 ↗ facilities we might not have Confluence

1:16:35 ↗ Park today for example because the this

1:16:37 ↗ the level of service calculation would

1:16:39 ↗ show well we need to build all these tot

1:16:40 ↗ Lots we need to um build some extra

1:16:44 ↗ Trails for you know or or or whatever

1:16:47 ↗ and instead we're able to the council's

1:16:49 ↗ able to focus Investments where the

1:16:51 ↗ community wants them to um in a more

1:16:54 ↗ flexible

1:16:55 ↗ way and this is something we're you know

1:16:57 ↗ we're going to be looking to maintain as

1:16:58 ↗ we do redo the parks impact fee study

1:17:01 ↗ over the next year um and is there a

1:17:03 ↗ commum that can be added to that I mean

1:17:06 ↗ I I know we're showing the service

1:17:07 ↗ levels but is there a commum that can be

1:17:09 ↗ added to show actuals so we have kind of

1:17:11 ↗ a quick quick snapshot at where we

1:17:14 ↗ haven't been putting those dollars

1:17:17 ↗ um yeah so um The Parks Department is

1:17:20 ↗ supposed to update their Parks plan in

1:17:22 ↗ the near future that's been delayed a

1:17:24 ↗ little bit due to um we're between staff

1:17:27 ↗ over there um but that's something that

1:17:29 ↗ we'll that we'll definitely be looking

1:17:31 ↗ at as they update the parks plan right

1:17:32 ↗ and you're think you're saying the

1:17:33 ↗ inventory so we'd know that we have

1:17:36 ↗ eight basketball courts or five soccer

1:17:38 ↗ fields or is that what you mean yeah

1:17:40 ↗ exactly because we we broken it down by

1:17:42 ↗ what you know ideally and then split it

1:17:44 ↗ up into the level of service standard

1:17:46 ↗ but I want to see where where the

1:17:47 ↗ money's actually been going right yeah

1:17:50 ↗ because I remember when we were going

1:17:51 ↗ through this Council said it may maybe 5

1:17:53 ↗ years and we just want to buy land

1:17:55 ↗ because we know the land's never going

1:17:56 ↗ to get any cheaper so H how do you give

1:17:59 ↗ us flexibility that we can just buy land

1:18:01 ↗ for you know until we're you know don't

1:18:03 ↗ make us buy tennis courts when we want

1:18:05 ↗ to buy land and so we figured out this

1:18:08 ↗ way that it was just a per capita

1:18:09 ↗ investment so they could buy a lot of

1:18:11 ↗ land when it was available and not have

1:18:13 ↗ to buy tennis courts or whatever so yeah

1:18:15 ↗ um it was pretty creative when it first

1:18:17 ↗ came out when we first did it definitely

1:18:20 ↗ very impressive and it's allowed us to

1:18:21 ↗ snatch up the land when we can actually

1:18:23 ↗ get it that's right anyway so that's a

1:18:25 ↗ just a quick overview of the level of

1:18:27 ↗ service um calculations that we do as I

1:18:29 ↗ said we're going to pull these out of

1:18:31 ↗ the element itself and integrate them

1:18:33 ↗ with the capital facilities plan which

1:18:34 ↗ is you you might also know as the

1:18:36 ↗ capital Improvement plan and that's a

1:18:38 ↗ document that we update annually it's

1:18:39 ↗ the six-year program plus future years

1:18:42 ↗ um and and that's showing here's the

1:18:45 ↗ actual Investments we're going to make

1:18:46 ↗ and here's how we're going to pay for

1:18:47 ↗ them so this isn't a capacity example

1:18:51 ↗ but the the um the Public Works

1:18:55 ↗ operations needs to buy a new uh grater

1:18:57 ↗ you know a backhoe type thing well

1:19:00 ↗ that's going to show up in that plan

1:19:01 ↗ that's not a capacity Improvement but

1:19:03 ↗ but we plan out well we need to buy

1:19:05 ↗ these these uh pieces of equipment uh

1:19:08 ↗ invest in these roadways and we plan

1:19:10 ↗ that out over a long period of

1:19:14 ↗ time um so level Serv I just got

1:19:17 ↗ finished talking through this but you

1:19:19 ↗ know one the the goal of course is we

1:19:21 ↗ need to evaluate the public facilities

1:19:23 ↗ and services based on the population

1:19:26 ↗ chart that we just that um that Trish

1:19:27 ↗ showed you earlier that I just mentioned

1:19:29 ↗ we need to correct the existing

1:19:30 ↗ deficiencies and address future

1:19:35 ↗ needs um and here's where it starts to

1:19:37 ↗ get into the weeds a little bit more but

1:19:40 ↗ um we also talk about how we want our

1:19:42 ↗ Capital facilities to be compatible with

1:19:43 ↗ the neighborhoods they're in so we don't

1:19:45 ↗ want to put this giant you know shining

1:19:48 ↗ bright metal water tank on top of squawk

1:19:51 ↗ Mountain that would look pretty bad uh

1:19:54 ↗ because you'd see it from all over town

1:19:56 ↗ um so the ones up there are not bright

1:19:59 ↗ you know unpainted metal they're painted

1:20:00 ↗ metal and they're not very obtrusive at

1:20:07 ↗ all any other questions on

1:20:11 ↗ this so here we have a sustainability

1:20:13 ↗ goal um we want to incorporate

1:20:16 ↗ sustainable products as an integral part

1:20:17 ↗ of all of our Capital facilities and so

1:20:20 ↗ you see this as part of you know the

1:20:21 ↗ fire station fire station 7 we we did

1:20:23 ↗ this you know it's a it's a it's a lead

1:20:26 ↗ certified building it's very

1:20:27 ↗ environmentally sustainable um East Side

1:20:30 ↗ fires is definitely adopted this they're

1:20:32 ↗ building a new fire station out on na

1:20:34 ↗ Valley Road well outside City Limits but

1:20:36 ↗ they're incorporating a lot of those

1:20:37 ↗ same things to make that fire facility

1:20:40 ↗ very energy efficient too um you know

1:20:44 ↗ whenever we build new facilities we're

1:20:46 ↗ looking to improve them you know the

1:20:47 ↗ pool's an example even though it's not a

1:20:49 ↗ a capacity Improvement they want to do

1:20:51 ↗ renovations to the pool because it's

1:20:53 ↗ very energy inefficient right now it

1:20:55 ↗ uses a lot of power um and gas to heat

1:20:57 ↗ the water and and maintain the

1:20:59 ↗ temperature in the building so they're

1:21:00 ↗ they're looking to do some corrections

1:21:01 ↗ to that um in the future through the

1:21:03 ↗ park

1:21:07 ↗ Bond so that's actually all of the um

1:21:11 ↗ goals for Capital facilities element so

1:21:14 ↗ what we'll do is we'll make a lot of

1:21:15 ↗ changes that we mentioned um certainly

1:21:18 ↗ if you have any other General comments

1:21:20 ↗ we would love to hear them so that we

1:21:21 ↗ can try to get them Incorporated

1:21:23 ↗ next time you see this we'll have added

1:21:25 ↗ all the various policies in it's going

1:21:26 ↗ to make for a much much longer document

1:21:28 ↗ that you'll have to to look through and

1:21:29 ↗ that's where you'll see all like I

1:21:30 ↗ mentioned all of those um utility

1:21:33 ↗ policies that are also in the utility

1:21:35 ↗ system plan so you're going to see those

1:21:36 ↗ huge lists

1:21:39 ↗ um um we'll make sure that it's going to

1:21:41 ↗ be consistent with all the various State

1:21:43 ↗ and Regional and and County requirements

1:21:46 ↗ and check and check up on with other

1:21:47 ↗ departments like offices of

1:21:48 ↗ sustainability like pwe and uh parks and

1:21:52 ↗ we'll come back to you in about a month

1:21:54 ↗ question yeah

1:21:57 ↗ um throughout everything there's been

1:22:00 ↗ some pretty broad um terms like

1:22:04 ↗ realistic timelines where do those get

1:22:07 ↗ defined is that within each project or

1:22:09 ↗ is that within the document itself or

1:22:12 ↗ well that's the beauty of growth

1:22:13 ↗ management is it's left up to us to

1:22:14 ↗ determine those timelines

1:22:17 ↗ okay so if it's in a like the

1:22:20 ↗ transportation Improvement it would

1:22:21 ↗ probably be within the six years or

1:22:23 ↗ within the 20 years depending on where

1:22:25 ↗ it fits in and so sometimes within that

1:22:28 ↗ specific document it's decided what the

1:22:30 ↗ timeline is or in the budget it might be

1:22:32 ↗ when it's funded is that the timeline

1:22:35 ↗ okay thank

1:22:39 ↗ you in a month when you guys come back

1:22:42 ↗ and discuss this the the policies will

1:22:44 ↗ include the policies that were in the um

1:22:50 ↗ they um in the comp plans that are you

1:22:54 ↗ know like a sewer comp plan or a water

1:22:56 ↗ comp plan so those will the policies

1:22:58 ↗ will be you'll have that for us yes are

1:23:00 ↗ we going to be able to discuss that with

1:23:02 ↗ the you know I don't know whoever puts

1:23:06 ↗ together the water plan or the sewer

1:23:07 ↗ plan or yeah we can we can definitely

1:23:10 ↗ discuss them getting them changed like I

1:23:12 ↗ said is a much is a little bigger lift

1:23:15 ↗ um but we can definitely we'll check

1:23:16 ↗ into seeing if Public Works staff can be

1:23:19 ↗ can be here so because they can talk in

1:23:21 ↗ a lot more detail about it than I can

1:23:23 ↗ yeah right and part of it though is

1:23:24 ↗ we're held to um adopt what the

1:23:27 ↗ council's already adopted in the water

1:23:29 ↗ plan and so there's not a lot of leeway

1:23:32 ↗ for us to make changes to it so because

1:23:34 ↗ they have to be that the same but what

1:23:36 ↗ did you say the sewer plan is coming

1:23:38 ↗ next yeah that the sewer plan is next on

1:23:40 ↗ their list although you know the water

1:23:41 ↗ plan took so long that they may you know

1:23:43 ↗ and they've got a lot of things they're

1:23:45 ↗ trying to work through um it might take

1:23:47 ↗ a while but and and that's part of the

1:23:50 ↗ reason you know here's this is the water

1:23:51 ↗ utility goal again that's part of the

1:23:52 ↗ reason why the goal sounds a little bit

1:23:55 ↗ like policies in places because this is

1:23:58 ↗ something we can directly affect um

1:24:00 ↗ versus the individual policies because

1:24:02 ↗ like Trish said those are Council

1:24:03 ↗ adopted those are much much harder to to

1:24:07 ↗ word Smith yeah that's what I was

1:24:08 ↗ getting at it's like what can we

1:24:10 ↗ actually do here to affect change and

1:24:14 ↗ can we refer to and I should probably

1:24:16 ↗ have asked you this offline but since we

1:24:18 ↗ can't change the water and the the

1:24:21 ↗ utility plans can we just refer to them

1:24:23 ↗ and then pull the bigger pictures out

1:24:25 ↗ for us to to um that's something we

1:24:29 ↗ can yeah we'll we'll we can discuss that

1:24:32 ↗ because it is a big list there's 34

1:24:34 ↗ water policies for example and as you

1:24:36 ↗ said you kind of ties our hands when you

1:24:38 ↗ just have to say oh this was already

1:24:40 ↗ adapted so this goes in and then you

1:24:42 ↗ know what's left to see which pieces are

1:24:44 ↗ actually sake it's you know don't want

1:24:47 ↗ to be discussing something that we can't

1:24:49 ↗ do that we can't change right and

1:24:51 ↗ certainly we could add pieces like

1:24:53 ↗ sustainability and the green energy

1:24:54 ↗ kinds of things um but I don't think we

1:24:57 ↗ can touch the yeah it's the ones it gets

1:25:00 ↗ it gets tricky though when you know so

1:25:01 ↗ one of the things that that the city

1:25:03 ↗ council you and it's on all of our city

1:25:05 ↗ council agenda bills when we propose

1:25:07 ↗ anything to the city council is it has a

1:25:08 ↗ place where you can list which

1:25:10 ↗ comprehensive plan goals and policies

1:25:12 ↗ does this particular thing you're

1:25:14 ↗ proposing is it or is it consistent with

1:25:17 ↗ um and so you know when we propose you

1:25:21 ↗ know we're proposing say just for

1:25:23 ↗ example marijuana regulations that's

1:25:25 ↗ consistent with a couple of city um or

1:25:29 ↗ Conference of plan policies and so when

1:25:32 ↗ when the public works department comes

1:25:33 ↗ in and they're proposing to spend money

1:25:36 ↗ well the comprehensive plan is the the

1:25:37 ↗ big document showing how we want the

1:25:40 ↗ city to grow and and change over the

1:25:42 ↗ next um 20 30 years and so it helps be

1:25:45 ↗ able to relate that back so it's a

1:25:47 ↗ little bit of a push push pull on well

1:25:49 ↗ how much can you take out versus how

1:25:50 ↗ much should you leave in because the

1:25:52 ↗ council needs to be able to

1:25:54 ↗ see um how things are are tying back

1:25:57 ↗ into

1:25:59 ↗ this so but it's something we'll

1:26:01 ↗ definitely look into is to see what

1:26:03 ↗ needs to be there and what doesn't to be

1:26:05 ↗ we can go on that that's a

1:26:07 ↗ good so I think it's a little bit of yes

1:26:11 ↗ it's been semi approved but there's

1:26:14 ↗ always you know what if you miss

1:26:15 ↗ something and this is the opportunity to

1:26:18 ↗ let it go through and have one more View

1:26:21 ↗ and we've come up with over the years we

1:26:22 ↗ have come up with things that have been

1:26:24 ↗ changed and it just depends on the

1:26:26 ↗ process

1:26:28 ↗ so

1:26:33 ↗ true anything anything else specific or

1:26:39 ↗ general get back oops we

1:26:43 ↗ go veral

1:26:46 ↗ watching when you come back in in a

1:26:49 ↗ month will that be the semif finished

1:26:51 ↗ Pro product yes it won't come back after

1:26:55 ↗ that these issues you'll see it again in

1:26:57 ↗ what September right yeah so I trying

1:27:01 ↗ for three times for most of them most of

1:27:04 ↗ the element you know this cursory

1:27:06 ↗ overview and then sort of to see

1:27:07 ↗ actually with the guts in it and then

1:27:10 ↗ but just the uh this these this one that

1:27:13 ↗ we're looking at tonight I know there's

1:27:15 ↗ other issues oh I think so I think it'll

1:27:17 ↗ it'll be done basically the and the semi

1:27:20 ↗ I like the semi draft okay yeah it's a

1:27:23 ↗ good category way to categorize it yeah

1:27:26 ↗ we'll have on the 20 the current plan is

1:27:28 ↗ June 26 there'll be another Focus

1:27:30 ↗ meeting on these two elements we'll have

1:27:32 ↗ them like said in the

1:27:34 ↗ semifinal form art is coming back in

1:27:37 ↗ August so right yeah still trying to

1:27:40 ↗ figure out the complete I gave you a

1:27:42 ↗ schedule I think two weeks ago trying

1:27:44 ↗ October uh August the 11 okay it's in my

1:27:47 ↗ mind that I work on it before then oh

1:27:51 ↗ okay

1:27:52 ↗ but when you come back we're still at

1:27:54 ↗ the Gold level are we going to get down

1:27:55 ↗ into to you know we'll we'll show all

1:27:58 ↗ the policies um I'm not going to repeat

1:28:01 ↗ every policy in the PowerPoint because

1:28:03 ↗ that would make for a 100 slide

1:28:04 ↗ PowerPoint but but we aim to include as

1:28:07 ↗ many of the policies as we can um you

1:28:10 ↗ know with like with the caveat that some

1:28:11 ↗ of the utility policies are difficult to

1:28:14 ↗ change but you know the capital

1:28:15 ↗ facilities

1:28:16 ↗ policies you have a pretty or relatively

1:28:19 ↗ free hand to say yes this works no this

1:28:21 ↗ doesn't let's add this let's remove

1:28:24 ↗ that and what we're trying to get rid of

1:28:26 ↗ is there's a lot of history in the

1:28:28 ↗ utility Public Service of you know the

1:28:30 ↗ towers were built at this time and this

1:28:33 ↗ line functions with this and this water

1:28:36 ↗ tower and and to you know we don't need

1:28:38 ↗ that in the comprehensive plan we need

1:28:40 ↗ more that's fine for the utility plan

1:28:42 ↗ and they need that but um we're trying

1:28:44 ↗ to get ours as lean and mean as we can

1:28:46 ↗ so it's just one of the pieces that the

1:28:49 ↗ council members or the public look at to

1:28:51 ↗ say what do the policy save for when

1:28:53 ↗ we're growing what do we need to do or

1:28:55 ↗ where's the next place we want need a

1:28:57 ↗ water tower for firef flow or something

1:28:59 ↗ we're trying to get sort of the other

1:29:01 ↗ stuff out of there so we have more room

1:29:03 ↗ for just the the really good stuff but

1:29:05 ↗ we still have to kind of sort

1:29:09 ↗ through good no more comments quiet yeah

1:29:15 ↗ quieter than land juice but still some

1:29:16 ↗ really good

1:29:17 ↗ comments so Jason are you done with your

1:29:20 ↗ bre I am I am done that's all I um thank

1:29:23 ↗ you you were awesome um you can answer

1:29:26 ↗ any question that we put to you so that

1:29:29 ↗ was really that was really good thank

1:29:30 ↗ you very much and Trish too you did a

1:29:32 ↗ great job so thank you so next time

1:29:37 ↗ is transportation

1:29:41 ↗ and I'd have to look I want to say land

1:29:43 ↗ use again but I'm not sure

1:29:45 ↗ Transportation yeah for sure I thought

1:29:47 ↗ it was land use it might be land I

1:29:49 ↗ thought it was coming back after we had

1:29:51 ↗ the discussion last time that it was

1:29:53 ↗ going to come back right okay so it

1:29:56 ↗ should be an interesting summer

1:29:58 ↗ another interesting summer so with that

1:30:01 ↗ unless there's any uh comments for the

1:30:03 ↗ good of the

1:30:04 ↗ order um I

1:30:07 ↗ will call the meeting to an end at 8:05

1:30:13 ↗ thank you very much again thanks again

1:30:16 ↗ for the RSVPs that really helped out

1:30:18 ↗ this time super good and let us know too

1:30:21 ↗ when you get the email or even right now

1:30:23 ↗ if you always want to get a paper packet

1:30:26 ↗ we can do that um if you're happy to

1:30:28 ↗ view them online that's okay too but we

1:30:30 ↗ just want to make it as easy for you all

1:30:32 ↗ as

1:30:34 ↗ possible you'd like a paper packet

1:30:36 ↗ always

1:30:40 ↗ okay yay see how it

1:30:44 ↗ works

1:30:46 ↗ my I think I have heard

1:30:50 ↗ 5,000 but it's nice to have the official

1:30:53 ↗ one in the

1:30:55 ↗ right it is it is but I still like to go

1:31:20 ↗ through

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