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Thursday, September 11, 2014

6:30 PM · 38m 40s · Council Chambers, 135 East Sunset Way, Issaquah WA
Topic tracked across meetings:
Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update AB 8796 5/19
Section
1. CALL TO ORDER
1a
Commission Membership
packet pp.2
Staff report:
Planning Policy Commission About Contacts Created in 1983, this commission serves as a policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides guidance and direction for Issaquah’s Staff Liaison future growth through continued review and improvement to the Trish Heinonen, Planning City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related land use Manager documents. Email
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2a
Minutes from August 28, 2014
packet pp.3–9
Staff report:
CITY OF ISSAQUAH PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION MINUTES
3. AGENDA ITEMS
3a
Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update: Land Use Element
Christen Leeson, Senior Planner · packet pp.10–38
Topics: Land Use
Staff report:
Prior to this meeting, PPC reviewed and made edits to the proposed Land Use goals and then the Land Use Policies. This is PPC’s final review of the Land Use Element until the November 13, 2014 public hearing.
0:14 from your Arts commission but I don't
0:16 remember one from here good evening and
0:20 welcome to the September 11th meeting of
0:23 the planning policy commission tonight
0:25 we're going to talk about the uh land
0:28 use element of the comp plan but first
0:31 as usual has everybody read the minutes
0:33 from the last
0:35 meeting do I have a motion to
0:38 approve move be
0:40 approved any
0:43 discussion all those in favor
0:49 opposed so tonight we're just going to
0:51 turn this over to Kristen and let
0:53 her okay why is Chris talk about and
0:57 update us on what we've already gone
1:00 through it once and what our changes are
1:02 and how they've been incorporated into
1:04 the plan we have been through it three
1:06 times this will be our third time
1:08 because the first time we just did the
1:10 goals the second time we did the
1:12 policies and this includes we're not
1:14 going to go over the discussion But it
1:15 includes the discussion in the maps and
1:18 few other things like pop chart so
1:20 tonight I don't want to go over every
1:22 bit um I included in your packet there
1:27 is a table and I need to I've already
1:29 made some corrections to it but a table
1:30 of questions and answers that came up at
1:32 the last meeting that we had answers to
1:35 afterwards um there are a few additional
1:37 policies that you may or may not have
1:39 noticed in your packet that we added
1:40 since that time we'll go over those and
1:43 uh we were unable to get a few of the
1:44 maps in there so I'll show you those
1:47 quickly so starting with the maps this
1:51 is our last review before the public
1:53 Hearing in
1:55 November um so the
1:58 maps
2:00 this is one of the ones that was missing
2:02 out of your packet it is the map of land
2:04 use designations and you will see that
2:07 the Lake samam state park is in here
2:10 that is assuming that the annexation
2:12 that is underway right now happens so we
2:15 just thought we'd get that out there if
2:17 it doesn't happen we'll take it out okay
2:20 it would be zoned Community facilities
2:22 or or uh the land you STS at Nation
2:24 would be Community
2:27 facilities this adds some as well Lakes
2:30 mam State Park as well uh this is the
2:32 annexation
2:34 history uh from day one from from its
2:37 Inception in corporation and then the
2:40 annexation history since
2:46 1990 we going to get
2:48 those they'll be in the next in the next
2:50 packet they'll be in the next packet yes
2:53 thank
2:55 you so there were a few new policies
2:58 that we had to add um we went through
3:00 the central isqua plan the first time
3:01 around and this is one that we missed
3:03 that we thought was appropriate here um
3:07 it's uh I need to pull out my packet
3:10 it's
3:12 a11 in in your
3:17 packet thank
3:21 you and it falls under the environment
3:25 section and it talks about in
3:27 integrating in the environment section
3:29 is protecting the environment despite
3:31 development the other one is incorporate
3:34 but this is um integrate natural
3:36 features such as Wetlands repairing
3:37 corridors and Hillside views into the
3:39 site design as amenities and protect
3:41 them as environmental resources when you
3:43 do developments this was one that was in
3:45 central isqua that we thought was
3:46 appropriate here as well that we just
3:48 missed the first time around any
3:52 thoughts all
3:54 right another one we added you may have
3:57 noticed was land use policy B5
4:00 This falls
4:06 under oh it's also under the environment
4:08 section it's under the trees I noticed
4:10 in the discussion when we were doing
4:11 that again there was a big sentence that
4:13 said develop and adopt an urban forestry
4:16 plan but it wasn't a policy so we put
4:18 that one in there as a policy as well D5
4:22 ensure the rechargeability of the
4:24 aquifer is not compromised as
4:26 development in the city
4:28 continues by administering a
4:31 Critic um a critical aquafer recharge
4:34 area program we already have one of
4:36 these in place we need to make sure that
4:38 we continue to do this it is required by
4:40 the state that we have a policy in there
4:42 to protect the aquifer and we didn't
4:43 really have anything that was very
4:45 strong so we added this policy and our
4:48 uh envir our storm water and envir one
4:51 of our environmental people wrote that
4:52 helped us write this yes I we don't see
4:55 D5 here at least it's actually D4 in
4:58 your packet D4 I think when you
5:00 renumbered everything no it says B6 on
5:02 my packet I'm sure oh the
5:06 rechargeability so it's not
5:11 B4 so that's yeah that's
5:17 B5 but then
5:20 D5 because B5 is really B6 on
5:25 mine but D5 I don't have that one at all
5:29 I don't even
5:30 I don't know what happened it's truly
5:31 very new it is hot off the car I don't
5:35 know what happened but it's that's
5:37 really strange I have a line where it
5:39 looks like something was added on the
5:41 side it's very small our our packet says
5:44 B5 is maintain and strengthen when where
5:47 possible TriCity USA and then B6 is the
5:49 one you have up there as
5:52 B5 okay well right but D5 I don't see
5:55 the D5 at
5:56 all yeah okay
6:06 okay first
6:08 step okay yeah we'll check that out
6:13 we'll check that out either way those
6:15 two policies are going to be in the land
6:17 you sement okay we'll just get the
6:20 number straightened out yes I don't know
6:23 what happened so let's see if this one's
6:24 right
6:26 F12 it is develop a climate action plan
6:30 in collaboration with local and Regional
6:31 partners that provides direction for
6:33 isqua's reduction of Citywide greenhouse
6:35 gas emissions while supporting a
6:37 sustainable Community this is one that
6:39 um the office of sustainability had us
6:41 add in here okay and those are the only
6:44 new
6:48 ones so moving on to the questions and
6:51 answers now these were some qu a lot of
6:53 the edits that we had last time were we
6:55 just Incorporated them in they were
6:57 pretty simple they were word changes we
6:58 agreed on them here here so we just put
7:00 them in these were the bigger ones that
7:02 we had to go back and do a little
7:03 research
7:04 on um first one was insure
7:08 efficient it was land use and the
7:10 numbers have changed since this time so
7:13 um but the land use policy A3 in the
7:15 last packet add in line with
7:17 neighborhood
7:19 character was it's probably still the
7:28 same any anyway out in line with
7:30 neighborhood character and we
7:33 already
7:34 regulate what things will look like
7:36 through the Urban Village agreements uh
7:39 development agreements through Central
7:40 isqua through Oldtown and through the
7:44 green sheets that are land use code so
7:46 and Joan you had brought up at our last
7:48 meeting Central liqua what character are
7:51 you in line with so it was kind of hard
7:53 to say in line with the existing
7:54 character when some of that's going to
7:56 be changing and our codes really do
7:58 regulate what things will look like and
8:00 the development commission has a lot of
8:02 say over the way and Urban Village
8:03 commission so we decided just to keep it
8:05 in line with neighborhood character and
8:07 in accordance with the city's or I mean
8:09 in accordance with the city's
8:10 development and design standards yes so
8:13 just um a little question on the inline
8:15 with neighborhood character so and this
8:17 is kind of probably d a little deep but
8:19 just want to know so like an old town
8:21 okay so in line with that character of
8:23 that Community is you know small
8:25 residential houses pretty much and now
8:28 all these three story things are coming
8:30 in so to me that doesn't look like in
8:32 line with neighborhood character so I'm
8:34 I'm trying to figure out how this
8:35 follows down to where you're getting
8:37 codes and what's what's approved and
8:39 that's why we took that sentence out we
8:40 took out in line with neighborhood
8:42 character that's what someone had
8:44 requested that it be I believe thought
8:46 and we changed it to um consistent with
8:48 the city's development and design
8:50 standards oh okay I heard you different
8:52 okay I may have said that wrong the
8:54 first time but that because for example
8:56 the Oldtown design standards talk about
8:58 small scale and modulation and the
9:00 architecture that would go on down there
9:03 which is in keeping with the character
9:05 that we want there which is very
9:07 different than the character we might
9:08 want in centralistic CLA you know it's
9:11 not going to be small scale and quaint
9:13 it's going to be more urban right so I
9:16 think we're saying the same thing that
9:18 the character depends on where it's
9:20 located right exactly right that's what
9:23 we were shooting for by being more
9:24 specific with the standards instead of
9:26 just saying
9:28 character
9:33 the next
9:34 one there was a long discussion about
9:38 the sentence maintain as open space
9:40 hazardous areas and significant areas of
9:42 steep
9:43 slopes and I it just seemed to be
9:46 written wrong so we looked it up and we
9:48 are we now match the definition that is
9:50 in the land use code and we call it
9:52 Hazard so the sentences now maintain
9:54 critical Hazard areas as open space and
9:57 significant areas of steep slopes does
9:59 that work no
10:04 okay oh
10:08 okay adopt storm water code requirements
10:10 that improve storm water quality reduce
10:12 flooding and do not unreasonably limit
10:14 development and unreasonably limit
10:17 development came into
10:19 question and we were asked to bring a
10:21 definition and who defined it and we
10:25 sent this to our storm water specialists
10:29 who said well that doesn't make sense so
10:33 he we don't have a definition or defined
10:35 because it's not in there anymore he
10:36 rewrote it for us
10:40 so he said we just have to adopt codes
10:43 that the state requires and so we took
10:46 out unreasonable development all
10:48 together right it's a really long answer
10:50 that's why I said
10:52 oo so so you want to know what it says
10:56 what's it supposed to read now let me
10:58 see I should have put that that in there
10:59 I apologize
11:05 I and just improve water quality and
11:09 reduce flooding it says Identify and
11:10 Implement storm water solutions that
11:12 promote development and Redevelopment
11:15 while also prot protecting receiving
11:16 streams and groundwater within the
11:18 requirements of the npdes phase 2
11:21 Municipal storm water permit and other
11:23 state and federal
11:25 regulations and that's D3 policy D3
11:39 policy F3 we talked about talks about
11:42 reducing the city-wide greenhouse gas
11:44 emissions below 80% of the 2007 Levels
11:47 by the year
11:49 2050 and you asked where are we
11:52 now and it requires a lot of math so I
11:56 it's
11:57 approximately 2% below where we
12:01 were in
12:04 2012 no sorry 2007 was up below the base
12:09 um but then there are other things added
12:11 in there and I wasn't sure how to
12:12 calculate for that um so I thought I
12:15 would show you this so it's
12:19 it's we've decreased our get emissions
12:22 by probably say 3% 4% based on this
12:27 because you have the whole and then you
12:29 have per person and that's a little
12:31 harder to
12:36 calculate so you're planning to decrease
12:38 it if you've done it 3% from 201 12 oh
12:43 seven yes you have uh 78 77% to go we
12:49 have 77% to go by the year
12:52 2050 but we have a lot of strategy plans
12:54 in place that we're starting to
12:56 implement bits and pieces you know like
12:59 our Fleet our city fleet is um almost
13:02 all Priuses now um so we're doing piece
13:05 by piece to get there but yeah it'll
13:08 take a while but you know but in 2012 we
13:10 didn't have the electrical the electric
13:11 vehicle plugins that we do now and now
13:14 have what do we we counted today it's
13:16 about 15 in the city and all um just
13:20 things are starting to change it's just
13:22 that's 37 36 years it's 2% a year
13:26 so we go can you remind me if you have
13:29 intermediate goals for this there are
13:31 incremental goals the they the state is
13:34 considering adopting incremental goals
13:37 and it let me find the exact one and I
13:39 think King County just um adopted
13:42 intermediate um intermediate goals and
13:44 the King countywide policies they were
13:46 talking about it when we weren't when we
13:48 were there it hadn't quite been adopted
13:49 yet but that's what that's what they
13:50 were discussing and it does it's it's in
13:52 here it's in the
13:54 policy um guess
14:00 just saw
14:04 it um TR that one didn't wind up in here
14:07 either F3 yeah F3 is just
14:09 short well maybe we were waiting to hear
14:12 from King County what their their
14:14 interims were and this is King con's Con
14:17 why not their climate action
14:21 plan I thought the king countywide
14:23 policies were being changed through the
14:26 gmpc to have interims okay but I hadn't
14:29 heard I thought they did it this summer
14:32 but I keep waiting to see the the
14:34 ratification that comes around to all
14:36 the jurisdictions and I haven't seen
14:38 that yet so I'm not sure if I'm not sure
14:40 where that is I should actually follow
14:42 up on that I just just one of those
14:44 things in the back of my mind I'm
14:45 thinking have they sent that to us yet
14:48 but um good comment though I'll check on
14:53 that okay Shantal this
15:00 is not
15:03 right this was uh one of yours and you
15:06 had requested uh change move vehicles to
15:09 change move people via all travel modes
15:11 so that was done um policy
15:17 J1 encourage a well- distributed system
15:19 of commercial
15:21 uses that are easily accessible via VIA
15:24 non-motorized travel and the question
15:26 came up about equestrian use and
15:29 were there any standards for horse
15:32 Crossings and equestrian Crossings on
15:33 the streets Kirkland has them um but
15:37 apparently in issaqua they are not
15:40 allowed on Shear juice routes so they
15:41 would not be allowed adjacent to streets
15:43 therefore you don't need those Crossings
15:45 horses are not allowed in isqua
15:47 Highlands at all so that that becomes a
15:52 nonissue can CH can we go back to F3 and
15:56 uh so just to understand so you you will
15:58 be adding some intermediate goals then
16:02 once you get the countywide policies are
16:04 you just going to adopt the countywi
16:05 policies by default or um I would think
16:10 we would want to follow because this one
16:12 is from theirs from my understanding
16:14 when we first set this one it was to be
16:16 consistent with King County and so I
16:18 would imagine if they've got interim
16:20 goals that we would want to be
16:21 consistent with those two um I haven't
16:24 heard from our office of sustainability
16:27 that they wanted to do anything
16:28 different I know they were waiting for
16:30 the summer for gmpc to take action on
16:33 that and I haven't heard anything from
16:34 them either okay I'm just concerned
16:36 about know 2050 is a long way you know
16:39 it's very easy to push everything back
16:41 right it is easy and then 2049 realized
16:44 that you know right we're having big
16:46 problem to this one I don't know what
16:49 happened but uh it was intended to be in
16:51 there but it's by 25% by 2020 50% by
16:54 2030 and 80% by 2050 excellent so we
16:57 putting that in it there yes and I don't
16:59 know why that one got missed I
17:01 apologize you can see it was intended to
17:03 be there and do you remember Kristen
17:06 were those the King County drafted ones
17:09 I think they were King County okay let
17:10 me see if it let me see if he says it
17:11 well and I'll and I'll follow up
17:14 with these are all being considered yeah
17:18 for countywide this
17:21 month there we go
17:26 countywide okay
17:30 last two
17:36 um this one we wound up deleting a goal
17:39 so support a connected multimodal
17:41 Transportation network is a key to
17:43 successful land use was goal
17:53 K and we deleted go k combined it with j
17:58 and now it says ensure a connected
18:00 development pattern that enhances
18:01 Community Access and promotes physical
18:03 social and mental well-being so that all
18:05 people can live healthier and more
18:06 active lives they were very similar the
18:09 goals
18:10 were and by combining the two we were
18:13 able to talk about healthy Health
18:16 oriented land uses and walkability
18:19 and uh accessibility well-being and all
18:23 the policies that we had tended to fall
18:25 under that one category anyway so we
18:27 just combined the two
18:35 and the last one M1 uh consider L yes
18:41 again I I got confused in what you got
18:43 up there versus what's on the exhibit a
18:46 on page 25 it gives a goal K which is k1
18:51 maintain the urban center as major
18:53 retail service and entertainment for the
18:57 city
18:58 J right we combined K and J and deleted
19:02 K the J so with the new J so the new J
19:05 there used to be so everything's been
19:06 renumbered on the on the old one it was
19:08 J K and L moved up to K right L got
19:12 moved up to
19:28 so there is so there is no k at all we
19:31 go on from J to L sure
19:35 okay there is no
19:38 l i mean there there would there would
19:42 will be a deleting there is a K in the
19:45 old one m is really an L
19:47 it when
19:49 you will in the old one J was in your a
19:53 connected development pattern this K was
19:57 support a connected m multimodal
19:58 Transportation
20:00 Network
20:03 okay J was what's there now Ure a
20:06 connected development pattern it was
20:07 there also it was there last
20:09 time K in if you're looking at the Q&A
20:13 the answers and questions that one was
20:16 there last time as
20:18 well but they were similar in all of the
20:21 policies that we had were similar so we
20:24 combined the old J and the
20:30 so um gold K I'm surprised I didn't
20:33 mention it earlier but uh did I not ask
20:36 for Mobility rather than Transportation
20:39 at some point pardon me using Mobility
20:42 rather than
20:43 Transportation because when I go from my
20:45 house to my office I'm not transporting
20:47 anything I'm
20:50 moving I know we're
20:54 actually let's see what happens with the
20:56 transportation element okay I have I
20:58 have kind of started to propose changing
20:59 that to to the mobility element but we
21:02 want them all to be succinct the same so
21:05 not succinct but
21:07 similar hang on one
21:11 second anybody getting
21:22 dizzy where's
21:24 Carl Carl so the only question I have
21:28 then is with the new J there's no you
21:33 say you combine them but there's no
21:34 mention of multimodal transportation
21:36 that was asked to be taken out uh
21:39 that and and you're you're saying that's
21:42 all covered by
21:44 Transportation
21:47 yes
21:51 okay they
21:57 connected
22:11 let me show
22:26 you
22:29 I don't know why I'm having so much
22:30 trouble there's the old J ensure
22:33 development through plans policies and
22:34 regulations that promote physical social
22:37 and mental well-being so that all people
22:38 can live together can live healthier and
22:41 more active lives K support a connected
22:46 it said reword that
22:49 multimodal Transportation Network as a
22:51 key to successful land use okay so those
22:54 were the two policies they're now
22:56 combined
23:05 anybody
23:06 this right there say ensure a connected
23:10 development pattern that enhances
23:12 Community Access and promotes physical
23:14 social and mental well-being so that all
23:16 people can live healthier and more
23:17 active lives that's where it wound
23:26 okay all right
23:36 all right and the last one
23:39 M1 next last
23:43 one uh Trish you may have to cover this
23:45 one uh okay there was a question about
23:48 small agricultural
23:50 uses and whether we wanted to what is
23:53 the definition of it and do we want to
23:55 take it
23:56 out
23:59 and it's reflected in isqua land use
24:02 code in only two zones Conservancy
24:04 residential and single family
24:09 estates right and you had asked if it
24:11 was actually a defined term or if small
24:13 scale agriculture was just sort of a a
24:16 general term we were using in the policy
24:18 but it's actually a defined term in the
24:20 code that's a permitted use and talks
24:23 about so it it's connected to the code
24:26 in the policy language
24:29 AG so it needed to stay in there well
24:32 it's it's not a um they were worried
24:34 that it was just a too General in the
24:36 policies cuz they didn't really know
24:38 what it meant but it's actually a
24:39 defined permitted use in the land use
24:41 code so it was there was a linkage there
24:45 does that work for you guys does that
24:48 okay thank you I couldn't remember the
24:52 issue and this one uh this work talks
24:55 about mineral extraction and
24:58 implementing best management practices
25:00 to reduce environmental impacts and
25:01 mitigate remaining impacts and Justin I
25:04 believe had asked us to make it stronger
25:06 and almost discouraging so that people
25:07 wouldn't do mineral extraction and leave
25:10 the land the same or better than before
25:12 extraction so there is required by the
25:14 state if you ever stop doing mineral
25:16 extraction there is a Reclamation
25:18 process which defined by the state means
25:20 Rehabilitation for the appropriate
25:22 future use of disturbed areas resulting
25:25 from surface mining the basic objective
25:27 shall be to reestablish on a Perpetual
25:29 basis the vegetative cover soil
25:31 stability and water conditions
25:33 appropriate to the approved subsequent
25:35 use of the surface mine and to prevent
25:38 or mitigate future en environmental
25:40 degradation so you want to establish
25:43 it the land to where it was before so
25:46 that whatever the future use is will
25:48 work there does that make sense so to
25:51 ask us to ask them to make it better in
25:54 part that's subjective so you know some
25:57 people may say it's open space and some
25:59 people may say it's affordable housing
26:01 you know so you just have to get it back
26:03 to where it was so that it can support
26:04 future uses is what that means right
26:08 okay and that is all I have do you all
26:12 have any questions at the last was there
26:14 anything else that you saw while you
26:15 were reading it that you said that was a
26:18 big red flag
26:19 or you said
26:22 what
26:23 so no okay uh you will see that again at
26:29 the open house in
26:32 November and next time we will have the
26:34 transportation element and the
26:36 transportation policies and that was
26:38 supposed to only come back to you this
26:41 next time and then the public hearing
26:42 but we're going to do it um next time
26:45 and then again at the October 23rd
26:47 meeting as
26:52 well so is that with that any other
26:56 questions or
27:00 and anything good for the order that you
27:02 want any questions on anything that and
27:05 to let you know the October meetings are
27:07 going to be a little different because
27:09 there's budget hearings in here on one
27:11 of the PPC nights and so we have to send
27:13 out a new October schedule for you all
27:16 just to make sure they're on your
27:17 calendar that just made me think of that
27:19 when you
27:20 said um but I need to get that out to
27:22 you guys right and just check I have
27:25 them down as the second move that first
27:27 up to the second and then keep to 23rd
27:29 is that correct okay did I send did we
27:31 send that out already I think that's we
27:33 talked about the last meeting I because
27:34 I put I I moved on my calendar from the
27:36 from the uh 9th to the second moved the
27:39 first one up a week okay then that's
27:41 what we did thank you the second one the
27:43 same okay I and I'll send out a but I'm
27:47 I'm verifying that I wrote that as a
27:48 note but I don't know
27:50 why remember one we're all moving really
27:54 fast these days so the more reminders
27:57 the better for me at
28:03 least there's still the normal time in
28:06 September but the October ones got
28:08 shifted because the council wanted this
28:10 room for the
28:13 budget Joan I do I do have a question I
28:16 was wondering if the uh if Trish could
28:18 um maybe once a month give us a little
28:21 update on the buildings that are going
28:24 up here in isqua and if they meet the um
28:29 policies of the plans and if they don't
28:33 what exceptions were given to them is
28:36 you know kind of like a f you know are
28:38 is are all the policies and things
28:41 coming to fruition are we wouldn't
28:44 approve them but um but um there I just
28:47 got an email today from the have you
28:49 seen the the website where you can
28:50 actually um subscribe to different
28:53 notifications whether it's um on the one
28:56 that I got today was on develop
28:57 velopment um it talked about seventh and
29:00 Gilman is under construction and to you
29:03 know click here if you want to subscribe
29:04 to the updating of development projects
29:07 and I'll send that out to you guys in
29:09 case anyone's interested in subscribing
29:10 to that I'm sadly as a city planner I
29:13 subscribe to all the things on the
29:15 website that have updates um but that
29:17 it's a good one because of course as
29:18 soon as people see something coming down
29:20 they want to know what's going on there
29:21 so that is a good helpful way to see
29:23 what's going on um I'm not the best
29:26 person to talk about the development
29:29 projects because I'm a longrange planner
29:30 and I'm not into the um the actual site
29:33 plans and how many units and that kind
29:35 of thing because that comes with a
29:36 different group of planners but I can
29:38 certainly try to um flag questions that
29:41 you have on whatever is going up and
29:43 send them to the current planners and
29:45 get answers back for you I can certainly
29:47 do that part of it but I wouldn't be the
29:49 one to present like seventh and Gilman
29:51 why does it look this way and how does
29:53 it meet all basically I was curious to
29:56 see if the development that is going on
29:59 that is actually happening if
30:02 it's going along with what we can ask
30:05 our resident expert right here who's on
30:07 the development commission and he can
30:09 answer any questions you have I think I
30:13 think to follow up I mean when I when I
30:15 read this land use element it's kind of
30:18 frustrating at times I mean to just
30:21 understand how it's implemented because
30:22 I think anything good is almost included
30:25 in this land use element I I had to take
30:28 a step back and just think what would I
30:30 want land use wise and see if it was I
30:34 can include it and I was having a I mean
30:36 I couldn't find anything that I would
30:39 want in there that isn't in there and so
30:42 then I started thinking well you know
30:44 the details that's part of the zoning
30:47 code and you know this implements what
30:49 the policies and the goals that we
30:52 present in here so some sometimes I
30:54 think what she's saying is that it'd be
30:56 nice to see those developments and how
30:58 they actually fit into these policies
31:00 and just to get an example at times and
31:03 right you know these
31:04 are intents and and Visions for these
31:08 but we do work very closely with the
31:11 current planners every time a
31:12 development comes through we go to
31:14 pre-application meetings with them we
31:17 have weekly meetings with them to talk
31:19 about projects they'll call us in on
31:20 different road projects so we do work
31:23 very closely with them and they'll say
31:24 does this meet the intent so we're there
31:28 they're really we're good about going
31:29 back and forth that's what we do so they
31:32 should right the other piece though too
31:36 as you said very well sometimes you
31:38 think you've written it so that it's
31:39 completely Ironclad and no loopholes and
31:42 then often the first applicant that
31:44 comes in it's like oh we should have
31:48 said it you know just this way and so we
31:51 learn a lot so we already have a page of
31:53 amendments that we want to do for the
31:54 central plan standards next year but
31:57 just you know all that fine tuning that
31:59 um there was just a little bit of wiggle
32:01 room that we wish we would have had just
32:03 crystal clear but you never really know
32:05 until that first one comes in and they
32:07 they propose something that you'd never
32:09 thought of but right I mean one of the
32:11 goals in here could be I mean I'm sure
32:13 there's one that's promote dense
32:15 communities or
32:17 clustered or you know in certain zones
32:19 but then you'll have another goal that
32:21 says protect the environment and so
32:24 there's sometimes there's conflicting
32:26 values and goals and so it's it's
32:29 interesting to see those play out in
32:31 development projects to see kind of okay
32:34 what where did we give a little and
32:36 where did we take a little bit just see
32:38 how it's implemented right because
32:41 you're right the whole comprehensive
32:42 plan is is a um a treasury of
32:46 conflicting goals because yeah we're an
32:48 urban place so we have to have Urban
32:50 density yet we also have so many natural
32:52 features and critical areas that can't
32:54 be developed and so how do you
32:57 right how do you combine
32:59 them right good
33:01 point do you know if there have been
33:03 many or any uh permits requested for the
33:08 Central Area plan yes um Taco Time is
33:13 the first one to come through with um
33:16 and they came through right at the end
33:18 right before it was adopted so we had
33:20 the draft um development standards and
33:23 um you know we tried to have them go
33:25 twostory with mixed juice
33:27 um we tried we had them put the building
33:30 up to the street we had the little Plaza
33:32 park behind with the trail back to the
33:34 creek we made it the best we could
33:37 possibly make it because we couldn't
33:38 force them to do mixed juice there um
33:42 which is one of the Amendments is to see
33:43 if there are more incentives to do mixed
33:45 juice so that um seventh and Gilman also
33:48 is not mixed juice because we didn't
33:50 force them and so some of the council
33:52 members are thinking should we try to
33:54 force them and we said well we had a
33:56 huge discussion through Central isqua
33:58 that the market wasn't ready for mixed
34:00 juice and if you force them you might
34:02 not get any development for years and
34:04 you know there's a balance there too do
34:06 you wait are you patient and you wait or
34:08 do you just see how the market goes and
34:11 so we're going to look at those kinds of
34:12 things a little closer than you know
34:14 because the Market's changed in the four
34:16 years since we wrote it so um so that
34:19 that one's so those two have come in
34:21 what's any more that there have been
34:23 discussions we've had a lot of pre
34:25 there's the oity expansion in there the
34:28 hotel and leab and and so those I guess
34:31 I think what you're asking is kind of to
34:33 know beforehand if if you see them
34:34 tearing the building down at sth and
34:36 Gilman it's a little late to to kind of
34:38 find out what's going on I think you're
34:40 just asking for hey something's coming
34:42 up like Le Schwab they're they're you
34:44 know looking at something right now they
34:45 don't know what they're you know so
34:47 those kinds of things that just kind of
34:48 keep us informed and and you know like I
34:49 say is it really reaching those goals of
34:52 the central elol plan well not really
34:54 but you know how are they fitting and I
34:56 think that's what you're asking and
34:57 there's little updates when when we can
34:58 when something new particular on that
35:00 you know the bigger side is coming on
35:02 right and there's another piece on the
35:03 website I don't know if you've seen but
35:05 it's called active projects list and it
35:07 has um I think Christopher updates it
35:09 maybe every three or four weeks and it
35:11 has a listing of all the projects that
35:13 are in the pipeline either in a a
35:15 pre-application um or they're actually
35:18 in application or they've actually you
35:20 know like seventh and Gilman they're
35:21 actually breaking ground and doing
35:23 construction and you can file and it's
35:25 listed by um area the city so if you're
35:28 in South Cove you could see you know if
35:30 there's anything going on in South Cove
35:31 that's that's big enough to to make the
35:33 list and I think that's a really
35:35 fascinating you know because there's so
35:37 many things going on in the city that um
35:40 it just amazes me every time he puts out
35:41 that list he updates it that there's
35:43 that much going on um but that's
35:45 something else I can send you a link to
35:47 so you can subscribe I think there's a
35:49 subscription to that too that when
35:50 that's updated you get a little um
35:52 message in
35:54 there but now that you're been uh on
35:57 television announcing that I hope more
35:59 people do that so more questions are
36:01 answered yeah and we tried too to have a
36:04 major projects page and I just checked
36:06 today because I was hoping that lak
36:08 samamish State Park annexation has a
36:10 major project page and that one does in
36:12 7eventh and Gilman does and the Costco
36:15 development agreement
36:17 um there's a there's a whole list of
36:20 things yeah the PED bike plan um there's
36:23 several things that have that's on the
36:24 major projects page concurrent is
36:27 another one that is on the major project
36:29 page but that's another way of seeing
36:30 you know what what is the city think has
36:33 raised to the level of having its own
36:34 page to update people on you know
36:37 chances for public involvement um what's
36:39 going on what are the documents
36:41 associated with where the council is on
36:43 that and that link is on the front page
36:44 of the
36:46 website so it's easy to find right and I
36:48 can send links too that that might help
36:50 you kind
36:53 of what's the word transfer around
36:57 the website because sometimes it's
36:59 navigate that's the word because
37:00 sometimes it's hard to you know it's
37:02 there but it's like you know am I
37:05 resident am I business what you know
37:06 what's the easiest way to find
37:09 things anything else any other good
37:14 questions Lots going on there did
37:16 anybody see when they were taken down
37:18 seventh and Gilman it's amazing how much
37:21 stuff there is the piles of stuff and a
37:24 lot of it got recycled which was good we
37:26 were happy that they tried to recycle a
37:28 lot of the
37:33 stuff yeah anything else going on any
37:36 other good questions for the good of the
37:38 order anything I think this is the
37:40 shortest planning policy meeting I've
37:42 ever especially on the land use element
37:44 wow you guys are not it before and that
37:47 was a really long one and so we made out
37:50 for it so um with that the meeting is
37:53 adjourned at
37:55 7:09 yeah I was
37:57 took me longer to get here than the
37:58 meeting was right yes it does so I'm
38:02 going to
38:04 send no send like well I think we're
38:07 we're
38:25 just
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