Transportation Advisory Board - Special Meeting · Tuesday, September 1, 2020 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

Transportation Advisory Board About Created in 2017, this board — yet to be Staff Liaison initiated — will provide additional expertise and Stephen Padua, advice on the City’s transportation system and Senior Transportation Manager goals. Email Membership Regular Members The Transportation Advisory Board will be 2020 – Cynthia Krass comprised of nine regular members, and up to 2020 – Vacant three alternates. Initial terms will be staggered. 2021 – Tom McDonald All members are appointed by the Mayor and 2021 – Nina Milligan subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms 2021 – Kobi Sunday* expire April 30 of the year listed. For more 2022 – Sujata Goel information, see IMC 2.92. 2022 – Vacant 2023 – Vacant 2023 – Marisol Visser

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of August 6, 2020

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 08-06-20 Transportation Advisory Board Minutes Page [0000]

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Transportation Improvement Plan

Discussion · 80 min · Stephen Padua, Senior Transportation Planner · packet pp.9–48

Topics: Transportation

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Master Mobility Plan Update

Information · 10 min · Stephen Padua, Senior Transportation Planner · packet pp.49–50

Topics: Transportation

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Staff report:

Updated Schedule • Sept 8– City Council Meeting • Sept 10– Planning Policy Commission Review • Oct 8– Comprehensive Plan Public Hearing • Oct – Transportation Advisory Board Meeting • Nov 10 – City Council Study Session • Dec 7 – City Council Adoption Comp Plan AGENDA ITEMS b)

5. REPORTS

Staff Report

Chair Report

Youth Report

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

The next meeting is TBD

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0:29 ↗ we have an approval of minutes but we

0:31 ↗ don't have

0:32 ↗ enough members of our board here tonight

0:35 ↗ to vote on that so we're going to

0:36 ↗ postpone approving the minutes

0:38 ↗ the august 6th meeting until the next

0:40 ↗ time we meet the next item on our agenda

0:42 ↗ is public comments and i'll turn to

0:44 ↗ stephen padua

0:46 ↗ for any um input is there anybody

0:49 ↗ providing public comments tonight i

0:52 ↗ don't believe so

0:53 ↗ no one's no one's online and no one

0:54 ↗ signed up okay

0:56 ↗ thank you and um stephen i think uh

0:59 ↗ before we get any further i usually do a

1:01 ↗ roll call

1:02 ↗ um and there's just me and cynthia here

1:04 ↗ now i'll just say

1:06 ↗ nine milligan here and cynthia with the

1:09 ↗ camera on if you could

1:10 ↗ say your name and say you're here

1:12 ↗ cynthia grass and i'm here

1:15 ↗ great and if any other members of the

1:16 ↗ board come in i will um

1:19 ↗ at any break acknowledge that they're

1:21 ↗ here for the record

1:22 ↗ sound good yes okay

1:27 ↗ okay great so no public comments that

1:28 ↗ means we move on to the next item on the

1:30 ↗ agenda which is the transportation

1:32 ↗ improvement plan

1:33 ↗ and this is presented by stephen padua

1:36 ↗ our senior transportation planner so

1:38 ↗ i'll turn it over to you stephen

1:48 ↗ the tip is actually gonna be presented

1:50 ↗ by john morrison our senior

1:52 ↗ transportation engineer thank you

2:00 ↗ and just to give a heads up

2:04 ↗ tom just sent me a message saying he's

2:06 ↗ going to be about

2:07 ↗ 15 minutes late okay thank you

2:14 ↗ just a minute here i'm getting it loaded

2:16 ↗ up to share to you guys

2:18 ↗ i want to make sure it's not on mute

2:23 ↗ and slideshow

2:36 ↗ okay can everyone see the the screen

2:41 ↗ yes all right i'm john mortensen i'm a

2:44 ↗ senior transportation engineer

2:46 ↗ with the city of issaquah i'm here

2:48 ↗ tonight to present

2:50 ↗ the 2021 to 2026

2:54 ↗ transportation improvement plan hey john

2:57 ↗ do you have it on a

2:59 ↗ presentation setting

3:04 ↗ oops paused

3:08 ↗ f5 and it'll do that for you okay

3:13 ↗ i it's showing paused

3:16 ↗ for my screen sharing maybe resume there

3:19 ↗ we go

3:19 ↗ there we go okay sorry about that

3:25 ↗ [Music]

3:28 ↗ every year the city of issaquah updates

3:30 ↗ its

3:31 ↗ six-year transportation improvement plan

3:34 ↗ we do this for

3:35 ↗ a couple reasons but the primary one is

3:38 ↗ it's good planning to

3:39 ↗ look ahead at what transportation plans

3:41 ↗ we're going to be

3:42 ↗ working on in the next six years and how

3:45 ↗ we're going to be funding them

3:47 ↗ the other reason that we do it is it is

3:49 ↗ required by

3:50 ↗ state law and every year we update the

3:54 ↗ tip

3:54 ↗ normally we get it approved we do it in

3:57 ↗ the spring

3:58 ↗ and we get it approved by the council in

4:01 ↗ june

4:02 ↗ so that way we could send the approved

4:04 ↗ transportation improvement plan to the

4:06 ↗ state

4:07 ↗ in july however this year with covid we

4:10 ↗ decided to delay it a little bit just

4:12 ↗ because

4:14 ↗ with everything that was going on we're

4:15 ↗ trying to figure out

4:17 ↗ how to conduct a public hearing which is

4:20 ↗ required for the transportation

4:21 ↗ improvement plan

4:22 ↗ and just get our heads around how we're

4:25 ↗ working remotely

4:27 ↗ another reason why we do the

4:28 ↗ transportation improvement plan

4:30 ↗ is a lot of the grants that we try and

4:33 ↗ apply for for our project

4:35 ↗ in order to be eligible have our

4:37 ↗ projects eligible they need to be on our

4:38 ↗ approved transportation improvement plan

4:43 ↗ the transportation improvement plan

4:46 ↗ is a subset of the city's capital

4:48 ↗ improvement plan

4:50 ↗ the city does its capital improvement

4:52 ↗ plan every two years

4:54 ↗ and that includes everything from

4:56 ↗ technology systems

4:58 ↗ to our parks and trails storm water

5:01 ↗ water sewer

5:03 ↗ and our buildings and of course the

5:04 ↗ transportation improvement plan

5:06 ↗ now what makes the tip unique like i

5:08 ↗ said is

5:10 ↗ we do the tip or transportation

5:12 ↗ improvement plan

5:13 ↗ every year and we do the capital

5:15 ↗ improvement plan every two years

5:17 ↗ so it's got a little bit of its nuance

5:20 ↗ from the rest of the

5:22 ↗ stuff that we do in the capital

5:24 ↗ improvement plan

5:27 ↗ so for this year for the transportation

5:30 ↗ improvement plan

5:31 ↗ we're just doing a minor update because

5:34 ↗ last year when we did our transportation

5:36 ↗ improvement plan

5:38 ↗ we did it with our capital improvement

5:40 ↗ plan

5:41 ↗ and we went through a lot of work to

5:44 ↗ identify funds for our projects and

5:47 ↗ this year it's just a minor update

5:49 ↗ because

5:50 ↗ stephen and you guys and the consultant

5:53 ↗ parent peers have been working really

5:55 ↗ hard at the mobility master plan

5:57 ↗ and starting in january we're going to

6:00 ↗ be doing

6:01 ↗ the city is going to be doing work with

6:03 ↗ the tab to

6:04 ↗ get do a major update to the

6:07 ↗ transportation improvement plan and the

6:08 ↗ capital improvement plan to incorporate

6:11 ↗ the mobility master plan into the

6:14 ↗ capital improvement plan and

6:15 ↗ transportation improvement plan so

6:17 ↗ as you're looking at this if you're

6:19 ↗ thinking

6:20 ↗ we did all this work on the mobility

6:22 ↗ master plan

6:23 ↗ and you're not incorporating it that's

6:26 ↗ because

6:27 ↗ that's next year's big work plan

6:30 ↗ and that right now we're just doing a

6:32 ↗ minor update in order to comply with the

6:34 ↗ state laws our

6:35 ↗ projects are eligible for funding

6:39 ↗ so a little bit of a the typical project

6:43 ↗ process and i'll use as an example i'm

6:46 ↗ sure you guys are aware up in

6:47 ↗ providence point at southeast 43rd we're

6:49 ↗ we're building a traffic signal so i'll

6:51 ↗ use that as an example as i talk

6:53 ↗ through this and so usually the

6:56 ↗ the first two steps would be feasibility

6:59 ↗ study and

7:00 ↗ schematic design and we showed this as

7:03 ↗ two steps really a lot of times they'd

7:04 ↗ be one step

7:05 ↗ so on that project the city did a

7:08 ↗ transportation feasibility or

7:11 ↗ transportation needs study for that

7:13 ↗ area back in 2004 and 2005.

7:17 ↗ and then out of that we came up with the

7:19 ↗ idea of building a traffic signal

7:21 ↗ and the city found funding for design

7:26 ↗ and designed the project now we probably

7:29 ↗ should show the funding twice because

7:30 ↗ it's one thing to fund the design but

7:33 ↗ you also have to fund the construction

7:34 ↗ and

7:35 ↗ as you guys might be aware of so we

7:38 ↗ like i said we started doing the

7:40 ↗ feasibility study back in 2004

7:43 ↗ and we didn't get around to doing the

7:44 ↗ construction until this spring

7:47 ↗ and so it can take a while and that

7:49 ↗ funding

7:50 ↗ component that we have in the middle

7:52 ↗ that's a big part of it and that's

7:54 ↗ also why we do our transportation

7:55 ↗ improvement plan is to identify

7:58 ↗ potential funding sources for our

7:59 ↗ projects so that way we can eventually

8:02 ↗ get it all the way to the right to

8:03 ↗ construction and then completion

8:08 ↗ this next slide is what we put together

8:11 ↗ for the

8:12 ↗ six-year transportation improvement plan

8:15 ↗ and

8:17 ↗ because we're doing the major update

8:19 ↗ incorporating the mobility master plan

8:21 ↗ starting in january

8:23 ↗ everything that's 2022 to 2026

8:27 ↗ is really up in the air other than some

8:29 ↗ of the projects that are

8:31 ↗ multi-year that we've already started

8:35 ↗ but some of the the main things that

8:37 ↗ we're going to be working on next year

8:39 ↗ are the design and right-of-way for

8:42 ↗ the traffic signal widening project at

8:46 ↗ the intersection of 12th and sr 900

8:48 ↗ that's near where city hall northwest is

8:52 ↗ the happy lemon what used to be the

8:54 ↗ holiday inn

8:55 ↗ another project we're going to start the

8:57 ↗ design on

9:00 ↗ northwest mamash road that's the project

9:02 ↗ we used to call the pinch point that

9:04 ↗ would

9:04 ↗ provide a non-motorized connection

9:06 ↗ between the south cove neighborhood

9:08 ↗ and the state park another project

9:12 ↗ on next year's transportation

9:13 ↗ improvement plan is the

9:16 ↗ pavement management program where we

9:17 ↗ take care of

9:19 ↗ our roads and repave them and

9:22 ↗ we'll be completing the construction on

9:24 ↗ the southeast 43rd and providence point

9:27 ↗ intersection where we're building the

9:28 ↗ brand new traffic signal

9:31 ↗ and we're going to do some works to try

9:33 ↗ and improve safety at the

9:36 ↗ roundabout is southeast 43rd and east

9:39 ↗ lake sam

9:40 ↗ oh and we've also got a sorry i forgot

9:42 ↗ one more

9:43 ↗ a project we call strategic small

9:45 ↗ capital projects

9:46 ↗ and that's to make small connections

9:49 ↗ these are

9:50 ↗ little things that don't fit into the

9:52 ↗ category of a big capital improvement

9:54 ↗ plan but we're wanting to use that to

9:56 ↗ try and make a big difference

9:58 ↗ in helping improve neighborhoods and

10:00 ↗ build connections where there's not any

10:06 ↗ we have about four different types of

10:08 ↗ projects that we look at when we create

10:10 ↗ our transportation improvement plan

10:12 ↗ we have corridor projects where we

10:15 ↗ enhance or build a corridor

10:18 ↗ we do intersection projects where we

10:23 ↗ improve different intersections maybe we

10:26 ↗ might build a new signal

10:27 ↗ traffic signal or roundabout we have

10:30 ↗ non-motorized

10:31 ↗ projects where we build facilities

10:34 ↗ whether it's sidewalk

10:35 ↗ or bike lanes

10:38 ↗ to help the non-motorized

10:42 ↗ transportation and we have

10:51 ↗ back everybody john i'll turn it over to

10:54 ↗ you to pick it up where you left off i

10:56 ↗ know you still need to

10:57 ↗ share your screen that you were showing

10:59 ↗ and that information

11:01 ↗ um they're in what was the last slide

11:05 ↗ that you guys were

11:07 ↗ listening to before that

11:10 ↗ okay way before that

11:15 ↗ uh you were one more yeah that one

11:18 ↗ okay yes that's right there number seven

11:21 ↗ that's when we lost you

11:22 ↗ all right i'll just count that as a

11:24 ↗ dress rehearsal then

11:27 ↗ how'd you do excellent thank you

11:31 ↗ all right so we have about four

11:33 ↗ different types of projects that we look

11:35 ↗ at we've got corridors where

11:37 ↗ we take a ro a road segment

11:40 ↗ and we enhance it or maybe we might

11:43 ↗ build a new one like

11:44 ↗ we did with the southeast 62nd street

11:47 ↗ project that would be building a new

11:48 ↗ corridor

11:50 ↗ we've got intersection projects where

11:52 ↗ maybe we take it

11:53 ↗ a new intersection and make it improved

11:58 ↗ might build a new signal or a roundabout

12:00 ↗ or

12:01 ↗ do something to help improve the

12:03 ↗ performance or safety of an intersection

12:05 ↗ we have non-motorized projects that are

12:08 ↗ designed to help connect pedestrians and

12:11 ↗ bicycles

12:12 ↗ and we have maintenance projects that

12:14 ↗ take care of our existing infrastructure

12:18 ↗ so on our transportation improvement

12:20 ↗ plan we've got

12:21 ↗ looks like about six of the corridor

12:24 ↗ projects and

12:29 ↗ those the the two probably most active

12:32 ↗ and major ones are the two newport whey

12:34 ↗ projects those are

12:36 ↗ each about a mile long or a little bit

12:38 ↗ more where we're

12:39 ↗ going to be rebuilding the corridor and

12:42 ↗ this picture is a

12:43 ↗ a picture or an illustration of what

12:46 ↗ newport sr 900 to southeast 54th is

12:50 ↗ going to look like when it's built out

12:52 ↗ in the future

12:53 ↗ and one project that we do have on the

12:56 ↗ transportation improvement plan this

12:57 ↗ year

12:58 ↗ is gilman boulevard and that's a project

13:01 ↗ that we were supposed to be working on

13:03 ↗ this year and then between

13:06 ↗ staffing vacancies and budget cutbacks

13:10 ↗ that got pushed out

13:11 ↗ we currently don't have a year where

13:13 ↗ it's scheduled but i left it in there

13:15 ↗ separate from the future years project

13:17 ↗ because i think that is a really

13:19 ↗ important project

13:20 ↗ it's one where we'll be creating a

13:24 ↗ concept in a typical section for

13:27 ↗ gilman which is really important because

13:29 ↗ it's right in the heart of the regional

13:31 ↗ growth center and it's going to be

13:33 ↗ redeveloped and we want to be able to

13:35 ↗ tell developers how they need to be

13:36 ↗ rebuilding gilman

13:38 ↗ there's a a really big future project to

13:42 ↗ try and do another crossing of i-90

13:45 ↗ uh right a tibbetts valley park the city

13:48 ↗ needs to

13:50 ↗ do some frontage improvements there and

13:52 ↗ that's a project

13:53 ↗ that we're originally going to start

13:54 ↗ design next year but we kicked it out a

13:56 ↗ year

13:57 ↗ because we're waiting for the state or

14:00 ↗ not the state park the

14:01 ↗ tibbetts valley master plan project to

14:03 ↗ get a little further along

14:05 ↗ and then the final corridor project we

14:07 ↗ have is the front street

14:09 ↗ streetscape that's a project that we've

14:11 ↗ been working on since

14:14 ↗ i'm gonna it's been a few years and we

14:17 ↗ do a little bit at a time and phases is

14:19 ↗ we have money to try and

14:20 ↗ enhance front street and

14:23 ↗ make it more people friendly

14:27 ↗ in the intersection project category for

14:30 ↗ our transportation improvement plan

14:31 ↗ we've got three

14:33 ↗ intersection projects the first one is

14:35 ↗ the

14:36 ↗ project at the intersection of 12th

14:38 ↗ avenue and sr 900

14:41 ↗ that's the one i mentioned a little bit

14:42 ↗ earlier that's part of the costco

14:44 ↗ development agreement

14:45 ↗ and it's currently in design and the

14:48 ↗ plan is to

14:49 ↗ finish the design next year and start

14:51 ↗ acquiring right-of-way

14:53 ↗ and go to construction in early 2022.

14:57 ↗ that's a project that will add a

15:01 ↗ a few extra turning lanes to that

15:02 ↗ intersection the

15:04 ↗ central park traffic signal project

15:06 ↗ that's up in the highlands on park drive

15:09 ↗ and the road that goes to central park

15:12 ↗ a few years ago as part of the

15:17 ↗ expansion of central park one of the

15:20 ↗ things that came out of it is

15:21 ↗ from a traffic point of view we need to

15:24 ↗ build a traffic signal in order

15:26 ↗ for that park development to

15:29 ↗ proceed to future phases and so we've

15:32 ↗ got it on there to do a traffic signal

15:34 ↗ there

15:35 ↗ and the the final intersection project

15:37 ↗ is

15:38 ↗ the one that we're looking at we've got

15:40 ↗ a picture of it's the new traffic signal

15:42 ↗ that's going in at southeast 43rd and

15:44 ↗ providence point

15:45 ↗ and the picture there that's looking at

15:47 ↗ the future exit

15:49 ↗ when you're leaving providence point

15:51 ↗ it's under construction right now

15:55 ↗ for the non-motorized projects that we

15:57 ↗ have in the transportation improvement

15:59 ↗ plan

16:00 ↗ the pinch point project or northwest

16:02 ↗ samamish road

16:03 ↗ that's the one like i had mentioned it's

16:04 ↗ going to provide a non-motorized

16:06 ↗ connection from the

16:09 ↗ south cove neighborhood to the state

16:12 ↗ park

16:13 ↗ the small capital or the strategic small

16:16 ↗ capital projects

16:18 ↗ that's just kind of a little

16:19 ↗ miscellaneous bucket so we can work on

16:21 ↗ low hanging fruit projects try and as a

16:24 ↗ city make

16:26 ↗ small improvements that make a big

16:27 ↗ difference in the

16:29 ↗ lives of the people who live and work

16:30 ↗ here nissa qua

16:32 ↗ the ada improvements project that's a

16:35 ↗ project where we upgrade curb ramps in

16:37 ↗ order to meet the requirements of the

16:39 ↗ americans with disabilities act

16:41 ↗ usually that project is done in

16:43 ↗ conjunction with the pavement management

16:45 ↗ project because

16:46 ↗ one of the requirements when you do

16:49 ↗ pavement management

16:50 ↗ and you overlay a street is that you

16:52 ↗ need to upgrade the curb ramps to meet

16:54 ↗ the modern

16:55 ↗ current ada requirements and then the

16:58 ↗ final one

16:58 ↗ is the three trails crossing project

17:02 ↗ we've got two phases for that project

17:04 ↗ the first one

17:05 ↗ is being constructed by a developer

17:07 ↗ that's going to put in

17:08 ↗ a new traffic signal and scramble

17:10 ↗ intersection this is at the location of

17:13 ↗ where the east lake samamish trail

17:17 ↗ and the rainier trail and the juniper

17:20 ↗ trail all

17:20 ↗ intersect so that's why it's called

17:22 ↗ three trails and they intersect gilman

17:25 ↗ and so like i said the the developer's

17:27 ↗ going to build

17:28 ↗ a new signal and a scramble intersection

17:31 ↗ and then

17:32 ↗ when the city has funding in a few years

17:33 ↗ we're going to come in and try and

17:35 ↗ improve

17:36 ↗ on the south side of that intersection

17:41 ↗ under the maintenance category of

17:43 ↗ projects we've got

17:44 ↗ the annual pavement management program

17:47 ↗ where we

17:48 ↗ take care of our pavement and repave our

17:50 ↗ streets

17:51 ↗ the black nugget wall that's behind fred

17:54 ↗ meyer

17:55 ↗ we need to do some maintenance repair

17:58 ↗ work on it

17:59 ↗ and so we've got that in our capital

18:01 ↗ improvement plan

18:02 ↗ our transportation improvement plan and

18:05 ↗ we have another

18:06 ↗ maintenance project to do some signal

18:09 ↗ pole painting in the highlands

18:15 ↗ so those are the projects and i want to

18:16 ↗ talk a little bit about concurrency so

18:20 ↗ for our transportation improvement plan

18:22 ↗ a portion

18:23 ↗ it's roughly about two-thirds of our

18:26 ↗ projects

18:27 ↗ are ones that are from the city's

18:29 ↗ transportation or

18:30 ↗ the city's concurrency program and what

18:33 ↗ concurrency is

18:35 ↗ is that when development happens that

18:38 ↗ the transportation improvements happen

18:40 ↗ concurrent with the development and so

18:43 ↗ there's a couple ways that can happen

18:44 ↗ that can be

18:45 ↗ the developer improves the facilities in

18:49 ↗ order to meet their concurrency

18:50 ↗ or it could mean that they pay into

18:54 ↗ pay fees to the city where within six

18:56 ↗ years the city takes that money

18:58 ↗ and then builds improvements to the

19:01 ↗ transportation system

19:03 ↗ and the

19:06 ↗ the city has what's called a simplified

19:09 ↗ concurrency

19:11 ↗ oh by the way if anyone has questions or

19:13 ↗ i lose you because concurrency is a

19:14 ↗ little bit more complicated feel free to

19:16 ↗ ask

19:17 ↗ if i go in the wrong direction so

19:20 ↗ back in about 2013 the city

19:23 ↗ came up with their our concurrency

19:26 ↗ system

19:27 ↗ and we we did a simple system where we

19:30 ↗ said that

19:33 ↗ we would look at the level of service of

19:36 ↗ intersections which is

19:38 ↗ how long of a delay a person has at an

19:40 ↗ intersection so if you get to

19:43 ↗ the intersection of the future

19:46 ↗ roundabout

19:47 ↗ at juniper and newport if it if you have

19:50 ↗ 30 seconds 31 seconds of delay

19:53 ↗ you're at level service c or d or i

19:56 ↗ forget what it is but

19:57 ↗ basically it's how long you wait at the

19:59 ↗ intersection and what the city said

20:01 ↗ is for most of our signals we're going

20:04 ↗ to call it level

20:05 ↗ service d and i forget how many seconds

20:07 ↗ of delay a few we said

20:09 ↗ could be level service e and we want to

20:12 ↗ try and keep

20:13 ↗ our traffic signals functioning at that

20:16 ↗ level

20:17 ↗ the problem with this simplified method

20:20 ↗ is

20:20 ↗ we might improve one of the traffic

20:23 ↗ signals

20:24 ↗ and really all we're doing is just

20:25 ↗ pushing the delay to the next traffic

20:27 ↗ signal

20:28 ↗ and not thinking holistically on

20:32 ↗ how are we moving people and

20:35 ↗ so some other cities like redmond have a

20:38 ↗ lot more

20:39 ↗ multimodal way of doing their

20:42 ↗ concurrency

20:44 ↗ but right now the city's current method

20:46 ↗ is that we just look at our

20:47 ↗ intersections and we look at the delay

20:51 ↗ how long it takes a car to get through

20:53 ↗ and

20:54 ↗ so then back in 2017 we did an update to

20:58 ↗ it

20:58 ↗ as a very technical the traffic engineer

21:01 ↗ did a bunch of calculations and

21:05 ↗ basically determined where we're at

21:08 ↗ delay wise with our projects

21:10 ↗ that are in the looked at the current

21:12 ↗ development that's in the pipeline and

21:15 ↗ future land use and so

21:18 ↗ as i mentioned about two-thirds of the

21:20 ↗ projects in the transportation

21:21 ↗ improvement plan

21:23 ↗ our our concurrency projects

21:26 ↗ now for the concurrency

21:30 ↗ at some point soon the city will need to

21:33 ↗ do an update

21:34 ↗ and we'll have to make a decision as a

21:37 ↗ city

21:37 ↗ do we want to revisit this work that we

21:41 ↗ did back in 2013 where we did the policy

21:43 ↗ the goals and the methodology

21:45 ↗ and trying to do something more like

21:48 ↗ what a city like redmond did or look at

21:50 ↗ other cities

21:51 ↗ or do we want to leave it where we just

21:52 ↗ look at the intersections and the

21:54 ↗ delay that a car has in the meantime

21:58 ↗ we also need to do a technical update

22:01 ↗ and so

22:03 ↗ i don't have a real clear direction to

22:05 ↗ say

22:06 ↗ yeah we're going to have time to look at

22:09 ↗ redoing our concurrency

22:10 ↗ we need to talk internally budget wise

22:13 ↗ but i just want to talk about this

22:15 ↗ as we're looking at how we come up with

22:18 ↗ projects

22:19 ↗ and how we do our concurrency and just

22:23 ↗ kind of bring the sun

22:25 ↗ your front for something that might come

22:27 ↗ or not might

22:28 ↗ it will come up in the future it'll be

22:30 ↗ brought in from the tab

22:32 ↗ and just wanted to kind of bring that to

22:34 ↗ your attention

22:37 ↗ i have a question for you john all right

22:39 ↗ yes

22:40 ↗ yeah uh you said two-thirds of the

22:42 ↗ projects are

22:43 ↗ concurrency do you mean two-thirds of

22:45 ↗ that whole long list or two-thirds of

22:48 ↗ those things that are funded in

22:49 ↗ um current years that's my first

22:52 ↗ question

22:54 ↗ it's so first of all it's it's roughly i

22:56 ↗ didn't do the math i just i saw it from

22:59 ↗ previous years it was about two-thirds

23:01 ↗ and it would be

23:02 ↗ the projects that we showed in future

23:04 ↗ years so

23:06 ↗ in the transportation improvement plan

23:08 ↗ on that one slide

23:09 ↗ i just showed the projects that we

23:11 ↗ showed in the next six years

23:13 ↗ but in the final document that will be

23:16 ↗ approved we'll show

23:17 ↗ future projects that are beyond those

23:20 ↗ ones

23:20 ↗ and it's two-thirds of all the projects

23:23 ↗ including the ones that we're not

23:25 ↗ planning on doing in the next six years

23:29 ↗ okay um my next question is how would

23:31 ↗ anyone know which ones were the

23:32 ↗ concurrency ones are they noted

23:34 ↗ in another tip in some way

23:38 ↗ no and actually that is a good question

23:41 ↗ and

23:42 ↗ i will confess as i was putting together

23:44 ↗ this slide stephen asked a very similar

23:46 ↗ thing and

23:47 ↗ i didn't have a handy list

23:51 ↗ but i think that is something that we

23:53 ↗ could label that which ones are the

23:55 ↗ concurrency projects

23:58 ↗ and that way people could see

24:02 ↗ all right thanks i'm wondering if

24:03 ↗ cynthia or tom and i also want to um

24:06 ↗ make note here in our attendance that

24:08 ↗ tom mcdonald has joined us thank you

24:10 ↗ very much tom

24:12 ↗ and uh do either of you have questions

24:14 ↗ put up your hand if you do

24:16 ↗ i don't have any questions for john at

24:18 ↗ this time i have

24:20 ↗ other questions for us in the future but

24:22 ↗ okay i'm

24:23 ↗ okay keep on listening thank you yeah

24:26 ↗ to keep moving okie dokie let's go on

24:30 ↗ john

24:30 ↗ back to you all right well the next step

24:34 ↗ for the transportation improvement plan

24:36 ↗ are

24:37 ↗ and later this month we're going to

24:40 ↗ bring the transportation improvement

24:42 ↗ plan

24:42 ↗ to council in order to approve it we

24:45 ↗ need to do a public hearing so the

24:46 ↗ public will have

24:48 ↗ opportunity to provide comments and

24:51 ↗ we're hoping to get counsel to adopt it

24:52 ↗ on september 21st

24:55 ↗ and then in january this is something i

24:58 ↗ think is really exciting

25:01 ↗ we're going to initiate the process to

25:03 ↗ incorporate

25:04 ↗ the mobility master plan into the

25:07 ↗ 2022 to 2027

25:10 ↗ transportation improvement plan and

25:14 ↗ that's a major step you you guys and

25:17 ↗ stephen and

25:18 ↗ fahren peers have done a lot of hard

25:20 ↗ work coming up with a

25:22 ↗ rating system for projects and how we

25:25 ↗ can

25:26 ↗ redo how we plan our transportation

25:29 ↗ projects and so

25:30 ↗ that's something that's going to start

25:32 ↗ in january and

25:35 ↗ as i mentioned we need to do something

25:36 ↗ about our concurrency whether it's a

25:38 ↗ technical update or a full concurrency

25:41 ↗ update

25:42 ↗ but in 2021 the city needs to start

25:45 ↗ looking at our concurrency and

25:47 ↗ do a review of it

25:50 ↗ i have a question in 2021 if we re-look

25:53 ↗ at the concurrency then what the

25:55 ↗ mobility master plan and the policies we

25:57 ↗ have in there then guide

25:59 ↗ some of the changes to projects and how

26:01 ↗ they're looked at

26:07 ↗ the quick answer would be yes because

26:11 ↗ when you read the mobility master plan

26:13 ↗ it talks about what our priorities are

26:15 ↗ and uh and this might be actually a

26:18 ↗ better question for steven to answer but

26:20 ↗ we'll be looking at it through the lens

26:22 ↗ of the mobility master plan

26:24 ↗ and the goals that the mobility master

26:27 ↗ plan has and

26:28 ↗ at least that's how i would prefer to do

26:30 ↗ it that's to say

26:32 ↗ if it's a full update if it's a

26:33 ↗ technical update then it wouldn't go to

26:36 ↗ that level

26:37 ↗ but if it's a update like we did in 2013

26:40 ↗ it definitely would

26:48 ↗ thank you cynthia go ahead i was just

26:51 ↗ gonna say that

26:52 ↗ uh not for tonight to discuss but i

26:54 ↗ think that um

26:56 ↗ what we'll want to understand is sort of

26:58 ↗ the guard rails like the

27:00 ↗ um you know the legal implications for

27:03 ↗ how

27:04 ↗ what our palette looks like what are you

27:06 ↗ know what our when we think about

27:08 ↗ currency and um

27:11 ↗ because obviously there's um a lot of

27:13 ↗ constraints around it but i think

27:16 ↗ for the advisory board we'll want to

27:17 ↗ know you know what can be changed what

27:20 ↗ um how creative can we can we be

27:23 ↗ because i yeah i think that loss

27:28 ↗ you know car only is it's probably time

27:31 ↗ to move on

27:31 ↗ get a little more sophisticated and um

27:34 ↗ but obviously concurrency carries with

27:36 ↗ it

27:36 ↗ uh legal obligations that i don't

27:37 ↗ understand and so

27:39 ↗ i'm just more speaking to steven for our

27:41 ↗ next you know when we do

27:43 ↗ tackle that we'll want to really

27:44 ↗ understand you know what what the

27:46 ↗ boundaries are

27:51 ↗ okay i'll have that for our work done

27:56 ↗ so at this point um i'm kind of looking

27:58 ↗ for general questions like

28:00 ↗ tom asked aston cynthia do you have any

28:03 ↗ other general questions about

28:05 ↗ the presentation and the tip

28:09 ↗ as a document does anybody have any

28:12 ↗ other questions about

28:14 ↗ that and then after that um

28:17 ↗ after this i want to um turn back to

28:19 ↗ stephen for

28:20 ↗ his guidance that he sent us an email

28:23 ↗ about how

28:24 ↗ we might be able to provide some

28:26 ↗ constructive feedback on

28:27 ↗ the projects in there but if there's

28:30 ↗ anything else i have one more thing

28:31 ↗ about the

28:32 ↗ um about the document on the whole

28:37 ↗ if um my turn okay yeah i don't have

28:40 ↗ anything else at this point

28:42 ↗ okay okay um here was my

28:45 ↗ my question on the whole has to do with

28:48 ↗ um when you're looking at the list

28:52 ↗ um like the first thing was is that you

28:53 ↗ can't tell which things are concurrency

28:56 ↗ so which things might be required and to

28:58 ↗ cynthia's point you know how creative

29:00 ↗ you know what is that level that level

29:01 ↗ of review and approval and then the

29:03 ↗ other has to do with um the

29:05 ↗ transportation benefit district

29:07 ↗ and um do we have is this the time to

29:10 ↗ ask

29:11 ↗ for background information on what that

29:13 ↗ is

29:14 ↗ how does that come into play if somebody

29:17 ↗ approved the tip

29:19 ↗ as it's been presented to us are they

29:22 ↗ then therefore

29:23 ↗ um supporting the development of the

29:26 ↗ transportation

29:28 ↗ benefit district with those particular

29:31 ↗ projects in it

29:39 ↗ so we as a city we have a city code that

29:43 ↗ is our transportation benefit district

29:45 ↗ and

29:46 ↗ it is a generic city part of the city

29:49 ↗ code

29:50 ↗ and it allows us

29:53 ↗ to then look at other ways of funding

29:55 ↗ our projects

29:57 ↗ and originally before covid

30:00 ↗ and a few other things we were talking

30:02 ↗ about do we want to go

30:04 ↗ ask for a use the transportation benefit

30:07 ↗ district

30:08 ↗ to go for a bond and

30:12 ↗ a number of things covid and the timing

30:14 ↗ with

30:15 ↗ a bond measure and doing the mobility

30:18 ↗ master plan

30:19 ↗ we decided not to do a

30:23 ↗ go out for a vote so by approving it

30:26 ↗ we're not changing anything to the

30:28 ↗ transportation benefit district because

30:29 ↗ the city does have

30:31 ↗ a transportation benefit district

30:33 ↗ however we don't have

30:35 ↗ revenue for the transportation benefit

30:37 ↗ district it's

30:38 ↗ mostly just lives in city code

30:42 ↗ and gives us the opportunity to look at

30:44 ↗ things like raising the sales tax

30:46 ↗ or depending on what happens with

30:49 ↗ initiative

30:50 ↗ 976 some cities have raised their card

30:52 ↗ tabs for transportation projects but

30:56 ↗ approving the tip does not change

30:57 ↗ anything with the transportation benefit

31:02 ↗ district

31:05 ↗ did that answer your question a little

31:08 ↗ bit uh

31:08 ↗ the the um

31:12 ↗ the items in the one-pager descriptions

31:17 ↗ the descriptions on pager

31:20 ↗ name particular projects

31:24 ↗ to be funded by this

31:27 ↗ this tool and so that's kind of what was

31:30 ↗ going on is that a list

31:32 ↗ and then improve approving this are you

31:34 ↗ approving that list

31:35 ↗ okay okay thank you for the that now i

31:38 ↗ understand the question a little bit

31:39 ↗ better so

31:39 ↗ i'll take a second chance at it no

31:43 ↗ so this is just a planning document

31:47 ↗ and like i said we just did a minor

31:50 ↗ update

31:50 ↗ and a lot of that was based on last

31:52 ↗ year's

31:53 ↗ uh update and where we had plan

31:57 ↗ projects that we had considered ones

31:59 ↗ that would be good for a transportation

32:00 ↗ benefit district

32:02 ↗ such as the central park signal spending

32:05 ↗ more money on the pavement management

32:07 ↗ program

32:08 ↗ and the pinch point some amish

32:13 ↗ non-motorized project so approving this

32:16 ↗ does not

32:17 ↗ approve the transportation benefit

32:19 ↗ district it does not raise taxes

32:21 ↗ all it does is says that would be a way

32:24 ↗ to pay for these projects

32:26 ↗ but in order to raise the sales tax or

32:29 ↗ raise the car tabs

32:31 ↗ that would have to go through a voting

32:33 ↗ process and

32:35 ↗ beyond just approving a transportation

32:37 ↗ improvement plan

32:46 ↗ thank you john uh for more information

32:48 ↗ there and i'm sure there will be

32:49 ↗ more um provided as this goes through

32:52 ↗ its its process that's a good

32:54 ↗ introduction though

32:55 ↗ and then stephen would it be appropriate

32:58 ↗ to bring you in

32:59 ↗ at this time to help facilitate our

33:01 ↗ conversation

33:02 ↗ and specify what sort of feedback you

33:05 ↗ were looking for

33:07 ↗ from the tab as you did in an email to

33:10 ↗ us and then i can

33:11 ↗ chime in with what sujata sent and put

33:13 ↗ that into the record

33:16 ↗ sure so um john did you have actually

33:19 ↗ before i start john do you have any

33:20 ↗ other

33:21 ↗ specific questions asked the board

33:25 ↗ no i was just wondering do you guys want

33:27 ↗ to see a specific slide or have me stop

33:29 ↗ sharing or what how would you guys like

33:35 ↗ you can go ahead and stop sharing since

33:36 ↗ we're going to move into the discussion

33:42 ↗ yeah i think we just need a little

33:44 ↗ guidance um and a little inspiration

33:47 ↗ about because don't go anywhere john

33:48 ↗ because we do have questions for you

33:50 ↗ but just a little guidance on you know

33:52 ↗ what's the scope of what you want to

33:54 ↗ hear from us

33:56 ↗ sure so for the tip um primarily what

33:59 ↗ we're looking for is

34:00 ↗ is feedback on the specific projects if

34:03 ↗ you have them

34:04 ↗ but also on the whole planning process

34:07 ↗ as a whole

34:08 ↗ um you know a lot of this even though

34:10 ↗ it's a carryover from the development of

34:12 ↗ the capital improvement plan last year

34:14 ↗ with some minor updates

34:17 ↗ do you have process

34:21 ↗ discussions should there be further

34:23 ↗ discussions on specific projects which

34:24 ↗ is

34:25 ↗ planned as part of the whole development

34:26 ↗ of the capital improvement plan next

34:27 ↗ year

34:29 ↗ which will start in january as as john

34:30 ↗ noted is there anything else that you

34:33 ↗ would like to

34:34 ↗ consider in development of the tip or

34:37 ↗ in looking at each of the projects

34:41 ↗ and then another follow-up question on

34:42 ↗ top of that is

34:44 ↗ when considering the mobility master

34:46 ↗ plan and the policies that we've

34:48 ↗ developed together

34:50 ↗ and looking at the projects do you see

34:51 ↗ anything that stands out in terms of you

34:53 ↗ know this project

34:56 ↗ doesn't necessarily fit all the guiding

34:58 ↗ principles or this project does and it

35:00 ↗ really

35:00 ↗ can captures a lot of what we've been

35:03 ↗ trying to talk about when pushing for

35:05 ↗ multimodal

35:06 ↗ transportation

35:10 ↗ does that help that's kind of a starting

35:11 ↗ point yeah yeah and then looking for

35:14 ↗ a raise of hand or somebody in the chat

35:16 ↗ from cynthia or cynthia why don't you go

35:18 ↗ ahead

35:19 ↗ so so oh go ahead tom

35:23 ↗ did you are you gonna say something tom

35:24 ↗ go ahead no go ahead cynthia okay

35:27 ↗ so um i i think you asked a couple

35:30 ↗ different questions i'm not really sure

35:31 ↗ i guess we're into discussion so i'm

35:33 ↗ just

35:33 ↗ maybe free form if that's okay um one

35:36 ↗ question i had it should be simple

35:38 ↗ um it sounds like uh tip is every year

35:41 ↗ and the cip is every other year so

35:43 ↗ uh do those minor and major updates then

35:45 ↗ um track

35:46 ↗ then are they generally for the off year

35:48 ↗ they minor and um

35:50 ↗ and the cip or their major is that

35:52 ↗ typically how it goes

35:53 ↗ yes okay that was a this is a simple

35:55 ↗ question so

35:56 ↗ um so the other thing is i don't

36:00 ↗ actually have

36:01 ↗ a response to your question about

36:04 ↗ whether um about whether the principles

36:08 ↗ and the

36:09 ↗ um the work that we did with mmp and is

36:12 ↗ there anything that jumps out is being

36:13 ↗ in conflict and

36:14 ↗ the reason is it's just kind of how my

36:16 ↗ brain works when i consume

36:17 ↗ information it's one of those things

36:19 ↗ where you know in my job we have lots of

36:21 ↗ projects and i know how every one of

36:23 ↗ those projects got onto our project list

36:25 ↗ because i've been here since the

36:27 ↗ beginning um

36:28 ↗ it's always hard to look at just a

36:31 ↗ project list

36:32 ↗ um you know cold and even though i live

36:35 ↗ here i live down to

36:36 ↗ you know these a lot of these are

36:37 ↗ impacts um but i just

36:40 ↗ i was having trouble really just diving

36:43 ↗ in it just

36:44 ↗ wasn't it was just too hard to kind of

36:46 ↗ dive in and have anything meaningful to

36:47 ↗ say

36:48 ↗ but do you have one specific question as

36:50 ↗ i'm reading through these i did

36:51 ↗ appreciate that each one had like a

36:53 ↗ summary

36:54 ↗ um and i know you can't put everything

36:56 ↗ in um

36:57 ↗ you know two-page summary might be

36:59 ↗ helpful um

37:00 ↗ i'm sure you're trying to keep it short

37:02 ↗ but like so for example the newport way

37:04 ↗ maple the sunset

37:06 ↗ on page 18 of 50 um

37:09 ↗ in the pdf that we were sent so that

37:11 ↗ that's a really useful thing but it

37:12 ↗ still doesn't tell me like

37:14 ↗ how many roundabouts and the other thing

37:16 ↗ that i couldn't quite

37:18 ↗ figure out is so it talks about the

37:20 ↗ budget

37:21 ↗ sources and funding and then uses and

37:23 ↗ costs and there's um

37:24 ↗ a huge line item in acquisition and

37:27 ↗ right-of-way

37:28 ↗ and then there's nothing in construction

37:31 ↗ so then it made me think it's not being

37:33 ↗ constructed

37:34 ↗ during that sa is it like beyond the

37:36 ↗ sixth year

37:37 ↗ the timing for that we're just trying to

37:39 ↗ figure out let's try to like guess

37:41 ↗ when these projects were going to be

37:42 ↗ implemented based on construction i

37:44 ↗ understand that you know feasibility

37:46 ↗ design you know

37:47 ↗ 30 design then you get your funding and

37:49 ↗ blah blah and i have a sense of

37:51 ↗ how those things unfold and other

37:54 ↗ capital projects but um

37:56 ↗ i was just wondering if you'd help me

37:57 ↗ read this a little better and i don't

38:02 ↗ yeah i don't have anything meaningful to

38:04 ↗ say because there's just too much to

38:05 ↗ consume at one time

38:08 ↗ so really good feedback and

38:11 ↗ would you want a broad picture

38:15 ↗ response or specific to newport wayne

38:17 ↗ maple to sunset well i was kind of

38:19 ↗ hoping that by telling me that then i

38:20 ↗ would understand oh

38:21 ↗ perfect that's going to be the easiest

38:23 ↗ to answer okay but maybe not maybe it's

38:26 ↗ unique

38:26 ↗ because i i haven't don't dive deep dive

38:29 ↗ diving

38:29 ↗ dive d i did not dive deep on each one

38:31 ↗ of these all right

38:33 ↗ well well the newport way maple to

38:35 ↗ sunset project

38:37 ↗ it's a really major project it's

38:40 ↗ construction costs

38:42 ↗ are probably going to be around 31

38:44 ↗ million dollars which is more than the

38:46 ↗ city has the ability to do

38:48 ↗ and so right now we have secured

38:52 ↗ enough funding to do the the design

38:56 ↗ okay and we've acquired some or we have

38:59 ↗ some funding to

39:00 ↗ start the right-of-way and then we're

39:03 ↗ showing

39:03 ↗ additional funding to do more

39:05 ↗ right-of-way but on this project

39:08 ↗ and this is something i i would like to

39:10 ↗ get done

39:11 ↗ as part of our future cip tip

39:14 ↗ update we need to look at how to phase

39:16 ↗ this project because

39:20 ↗ there's no way that we can do a 31

39:22 ↗ million dollar project

39:24 ↗ and on top of that the other newport way

39:26 ↗ project

39:27 ↗ is very similar in terms of dollar

39:29 ↗ figures so

39:30 ↗ then if we're looking at all the needs

39:33 ↗ of the city whether it's taking care of

39:35 ↗ the pavement

39:35 ↗ upgrading the curb ramps you run out of

39:38 ↗ money really fast

39:40 ↗ and so on this specific

39:43 ↗ project we we don't have the details

39:46 ↗ figured out but

39:47 ↗ in my mind so you said we didn't say how

39:51 ↗ many roundabouts it's three roundabouts

39:53 ↗ it's

39:54 ↗ juniper hawley and dogwood and

39:57 ↗ with traffic signals on the the two ends

40:01 ↗ and to me what makes sense is to break

40:03 ↗ this project into thirds

40:05 ↗ and to build a third

40:08 ↗ than to keep going down the line and so

40:12 ↗ as part of what i'd like to do for a

40:14 ↗ future

40:16 ↗ update is to look at the phasing of it

40:19 ↗ and make it a little bit more clear of

40:21 ↗ this is how we're going to do it in

40:24 ↗ just a little ever for your information

40:27 ↗ about this project our design

40:29 ↗ and our partial right-of-way funds they

40:32 ↗ are federally funded and there's a

40:34 ↗ little rule that says

40:36 ↗ when you have design funds you need to

40:39 ↗ begin acquiring right-of-way within 10

40:41 ↗ years of when

40:42 ↗ we were given your federal funds and

40:45 ↗ then when you're given right-of-way

40:47 ↗ funds

40:47 ↗ that are federally funded like we have

40:49 ↗ on this project you have

40:51 ↗ 20 years to be underway with

40:53 ↗ construction

40:55 ↗ so we're looking at a long project and

40:59 ↗ one that's going to be hard to finance

41:02 ↗ luckily it's one that i think can score

41:06 ↗ reasonably well when it comes to grant

41:08 ↗ funding especially because it provides a

41:10 ↗ connection to the regional growth center

41:12 ↗ which is really important

41:13 ↗ and so

41:17 ↗ so so yeah so that's helpful um

41:20 ↗ uh and so yeah i guess i am reading it

41:22 ↗ right

41:23 ↗ it's so it's uh i get it now these are

41:26 ↗ going to be obviously at all different

41:27 ↗ phases and

41:28 ↗ the construction is not funded yet but

41:30 ↗ the the project

41:31 ↗ planning and design is underway so that

41:34 ↗ that's super helpful

41:35 ↗ okay and the 31 million i think it's

41:38 ↗ just showing that's

41:39 ↗ the future budget that needs to be in

41:41 ↗ there yeah

41:42 ↗ for the construction side yeah and i i

41:45 ↗ will just a little caveat

41:48 ↗ with not knowing what you're in

41:49 ↗ construction how we would phase it

41:52 ↗ the 31 million is a very planning level

41:55 ↗ estimate

41:59 ↗ order order of magnitude yes

42:07 ↗ thank you yeah are you

42:11 ↗ giving up the floor for a moment yes

42:13 ↗ okay

42:14 ↗ tom will go to tom and and you know we

42:17 ↗ other questions might come up but i'll

42:18 ↗ move on to tom your turn

42:20 ↗ it's a good discussion actually on that

42:22 ↗ street because i've driven that road

42:23 ↗ since uh how many times a day since

42:26 ↗ 1994.

42:28 ↗ their kids went to elementary school

42:30 ↗ there so it's oh wow

42:32 ↗ i feel very familiar with it i know all

42:35 ↗ the bumps on my bike on it so i don't

42:36 ↗ know

42:37 ↗ about everything on that road um

42:42 ↗ see i had one but now actually listen to

42:45 ↗ that good discussion i can't remember

42:46 ↗ exactly what mine was so may come back

42:48 ↗ to me in a minute

42:48 ↗ so okay

42:51 ↗ uh if you want i can share what sujata

42:54 ↗ said in her

42:55 ↗ email just put it into the record and

42:58 ↗ she looked over the documentation

43:00 ↗ provided for the tip

43:01 ↗ and the one pagers are very helpful she

43:04 ↗ says the project seemed very consistent

43:06 ↗ with the vision that we had established

43:08 ↗ for our transportation future

43:10 ↗ focusing on the core non-size safety

43:13 ↗ and she was happy to see resources and

43:15 ↗ major maintenance light pole painting

43:17 ↗ pavement repair

43:18 ↗ ada improvements and some exciting large

43:20 ↗ projects that will increase the

43:22 ↗ connectivity

43:23 ↗ of existing infrastructure so those come

43:26 ↗ from the sujato goyal

43:28 ↗ and thank you sujanta if you're

43:30 ↗ listening at home

43:32 ↗ and that was the only comment that came

43:35 ↗ from a

43:36 ↗ board member outside the meeting stephen

43:38 ↗ were there any other board members who

43:40 ↗ emailed back to you who wanted to

43:41 ↗ contribute their thoughts

43:42 ↗ no okay tom has your how's your memory

43:45 ↗ doing down there you got

43:46 ↗ got something

43:51 ↗ sorry i have multiple screens and

43:52 ↗ sometimes i can't find where my mouse is

43:54 ↗ to move it over to the right screen to

43:55 ↗ unmute myself

43:57 ↗ um and so maybe this is uh just

44:01 ↗ my problem uh because i wouldn't mind

44:04 ↗ spend some time

44:06 ↗ just with all the policies and going

44:08 ↗ through each one of these projects and

44:09 ↗ kind of

44:10 ↗ reading the project look at the policy

44:12 ↗ and have a little bit more time to to

44:13 ↗ look at it

44:14 ↗ which i haven't done uh very well before

44:17 ↗ tonight and so

44:18 ↗ if i do do that is there a time that i

44:20 ↗ can

44:21 ↗ do that and be able to give feedback and

44:24 ↗ info

44:25 ↗ back which i'm assuming would have to be

44:27 ↗ in the next day or so

44:30 ↗ yes uh we're preparing the city council

44:33 ↗ materials for the tip to go to them

44:35 ↗ later in september so if you can get us

44:37 ↗ feedback in the next day or two that

44:38 ↗ would be helpful okay

44:42 ↗ and then cynthia did bring up another

44:45 ↗ good point

44:46 ↗ on feedback from the plan

44:49 ↗ not just the projects themselves and the

44:50 ↗ process but also

44:52 ↗ the formatting of the plan itself the

44:54 ↗ document if there's is

44:56 ↗ if you have suggestions on better

44:58 ↗ communicating on the projects

45:00 ↗ or something that we can put in whether

45:02 ↗ it's a statement or

45:04 ↗ changing up how the tables are formatted

45:07 ↗ that's helpful too

45:13 ↗ i think to come back to life so i can

45:15 ↗ look again but i think

45:18 ↗ what might be helpful there's a project

45:20 ↗ summary and i always like project

45:22 ↗ justification

45:23 ↗ is it possible to have project elements

45:26 ↗ i guess

45:28 ↗ i guess that's what project summary is

45:30 ↗ but uh um

45:32 ↗ i don't know why when i looked at all

45:34 ↗ these it just wasn't hard to absorb this

45:36 ↗ so

45:37 ↗ maybe i just need to spend more time

45:39 ↗ with it it was just

45:41 ↗ i guess the summary is does have the

45:44 ↗ elements what do you mean by elements

45:47 ↗ uh no i i take that back you do have

45:50 ↗ like the elements like it's three

45:51 ↗ roundabouts

45:52 ↗ it's this this that i guess you do have

45:55 ↗ that i just was having trouble

45:56 ↗ consuming all of this information all at

45:58 ↗ once i didn't do a very good

46:00 ↗ job and i was just racking my brain i

46:02 ↗ think it just takes what it takes

46:04 ↗ um i was just trying to figure out if

46:07 ↗ there was another way

46:08 ↗ to be able to communicate it but okay

46:11 ↗ i'll make one comment

46:13 ↗ if you could zoom out a tiny bit the

46:15 ↗ scale

46:16 ↗ it's too zoomed in on some of the

46:19 ↗ projects i had to go back

46:22 ↗ and maybe some um i'm kind of a map

46:26 ↗ geek some kind of something to help us

46:28 ↗ orient more

46:29 ↗ i just spent a lot of time trying to

46:30 ↗ figure out exactly where is this project

46:32 ↗ going back and forth with google

46:34 ↗ maps um i don't know i i i guess it just

46:38 ↗ takes what it takes so i'm going to stop

46:40 ↗ talking now

46:41 ↗ so are you thinking like a one page with

46:43 ↗ a map and a list of particular numbers

46:45 ↗ so we know where they are

46:46 ↗ are you thinking more of a summary of

46:48 ↗ each one of them i meant on each of the

46:50 ↗ summary

46:51 ↗ ones

46:55 ↗ it's thumbnails which is a good way to

46:58 ↗ put a lot of information in a document

47:00 ↗ but then when you try to understand a

47:02 ↗ project

47:02 ↗ it's just not enough information there's

47:05 ↗ no easy solution because it would get

47:06 ↗ too long and unwieldy if you

47:08 ↗ gave all that information i don't know

47:13 ↗ that's not very helpful i'm sorry so

47:16 ↗ i'll

47:17 ↗ follow up i'm not sure the right

47:18 ↗ procedure but i do have a follow-up

47:20 ↗ question for cynthia

47:21 ↗ would it help to have more

47:24 ↗ visuals with it like to help

47:28 ↗ with understanding what the projects are

47:32 ↗ is visually visuals are always good and

47:34 ↗ kind of before and after

47:36 ↗ like you probably have some concept

47:37 ↗ designs you know that have gone into

47:39 ↗ some of these so

47:41 ↗ um you know i'm just

47:44 ↗ trying to look at some samples um

47:48 ↗ yeah like you have a picture of the wall

47:50 ↗ i know i've driven by that wall i always

47:52 ↗ wondered who was responsible for

47:54 ↗ maintaining it

47:55 ↗ uh and so when you have a concept like

47:59 ↗ you know the the roundabouts you can

48:02 ↗ have a side by side of what we have

48:04 ↗ today and what we have i'm sure you do

48:05 ↗ that all the time what we have today and

48:07 ↗ then what the concept

48:08 ↗ would look like if you've got some kind

48:10 ↗ of concept drawings

48:13 ↗ i don't know just anything to orient me

48:14 ↗ better this one

48:21 ↗ i'd like to contribute uh something here

48:23 ↗ in that

48:25 ↗ it doesn't look like that it's in our

48:26 ↗ packet the gip

48:28 ↗ map um i don't think that was included

48:32 ↗ in our packet which is the one with the

48:33 ↗ little pink

48:35 ↗ numbers with the arrows and that might

48:37 ↗ have been helpful

48:39 ↗ as an index for the projects in any time

48:42 ↗ that you're

48:43 ↗ representing the list that's good

48:46 ↗ feedback we'll

48:47 ↗ we'll need to get that in before we go

48:49 ↗ to council

48:51 ↗ in the public hearing

48:56 ↗ cynthia you look like you're still

48:58 ↗ mulling on that you want me to go into a

48:59 ↗ couple of my ideas and then come back to

49:01 ↗ you

49:04 ↗ good there's no easy way to do what i'm

49:06 ↗ trying to do so no i've said everything

49:08 ↗ i'm done okay okay well and it's and

49:11 ↗ it's not your

49:12 ↗ last chance i'm gonna go ahead and

49:14 ↗ contribute a couple of thoughts that i

49:15 ↗ had

49:17 ↗ like sujata i wanted to point out some

49:18 ↗ of the things that i liked and that was

49:20 ↗ the bike connectivity that the gilman

49:23 ↗ improvements and the newport way

49:25 ↗ these are thoroughfares that as a

49:27 ↗ cyclist tom and i and cynthia all know

49:30 ↗ that we get uh stranded out there trying

49:32 ↗ to get just across town so

49:34 ↗ um great to have those for the

49:36 ↗ multimodal transportation not just going

49:38 ↗ for a bike ride but actually trying to

49:40 ↗ get somewhere

49:41 ↗ i think those are critical i'm glad to

49:43 ↗ see them prioritized on the list

49:46 ↗ um i had a question about three trails

49:49 ↗ and

49:49 ↗ and sorry if i get too nerdy about it

49:51 ↗ but um

49:53 ↗ the it was part of the development

49:54 ↗ agreement and part of the

49:56 ↗ of those properties like you said john

49:58 ↗ um that

50:00 ↗ these guys were going to create this

50:02 ↗ thing for us but

50:04 ↗ really it looks like just this little

50:06 ↗ teeny part

50:07 ↗ is what they're paying for and then we

50:09 ↗ have to pay for this big

50:10 ↗ part why did it seem like we were going

50:12 ↗ to get something

50:14 ↗ out of that development agreement which

50:15 ↗ would fix that crossing there why does

50:17 ↗ it look so much more expensive than i

50:19 ↗ than i thought it was going to be to us

50:23 ↗ okay i'll take my my best guess or best

50:27 ↗ response to this i will confess this

50:29 ↗ isn't one of the projects i know as well

50:31 ↗ as some of the other ones

50:32 ↗ and a lot of the costs that would be on

50:36 ↗ included in that project are what we

50:39 ↗ would need to do to the streets

50:41 ↗ on that side so the developer is going

50:43 ↗ to put in the new

50:44 ↗ signal and mark it to be a scramble

50:47 ↗ enter

50:48 ↗ or scramble crosswalk but where

50:52 ↗ i believe it's rainier and juniper

50:54 ↗ intersect

50:55 ↗ with gilman it's kind of a not kind of

50:58 ↗ it is a weird intersection and i avoid

51:01 ↗ it because it's really hard to

51:04 ↗ who's going how do you get through there

51:06 ↗ and

51:07 ↗ so that's the part that this project has

51:10 ↗ that the development agreement project

51:12 ↗ did not have

51:16 ↗ i have to have that's one of my favorite

51:17 ↗ intersections because it gives me a

51:19 ↗ feeling of like uh

51:20 ↗ like an east coast town that's been

51:22 ↗ there for 500 years it's been a horrible

51:23 ↗ intersection for the last 300 years

51:26 ↗ but indeed i think it has or at least

51:28 ↗ three effects are kind of a

51:30 ↗ cut way but it is kind of dangerous when

51:31 ↗ you go from gilman into it and then take

51:34 ↗ veneer because that's how i normally

51:35 ↗ come back and take the back

51:37 ↗ routes back home that i avoid and

51:39 ↗ straight up notice

51:41 ↗ the last couple years there are a lot

51:42 ↗ more people that will go through the

51:43 ↗ light take a right at the gas station

51:45 ↗ between the gas station the us bank

51:47 ↗ come over to winter avenue and then take

51:49 ↗ a right and try and go for the next one

51:50 ↗ and go back into

51:52 ↗ the front street or they'll go down the

51:55 ↗ other way

51:56 ↗ and cut down by the library and realize

51:57 ↗ they can't take a left there

51:59 ↗ in fact i was yeah i had a guy trying to

52:03 ↗ pass me at rainer avenue because i was

52:04 ↗ going too slow on it

52:05 ↗ trying to do the clock wow but that

52:08 ↗ intersection is kind of a tricky whether

52:09 ↗ you

52:10 ↗ keep that there because there's two

52:11 ↗ other routes that come from that road

52:13 ↗ that you can come back to the

52:14 ↗ neighborhood so you're trying to

52:16 ↗ um i forget name that other street

52:20 ↗ tie into it so it's um

52:24 ↗ yeah okay it's a tricky

52:27 ↗ tricky intersection

52:33 ↗ is if if the developer is paying for

52:35 ↗ that

52:36 ↗ improvement of the signal that's right

52:37 ↗ that that intersection are they're not

52:40 ↗ including the whole remake of that

52:41 ↗ intersection or is that part of what

52:43 ↗ city of escort would do but those two

52:46 ↗ the developer funds

52:48 ↗ develop along raider avenue to pay into

52:50 ↗ it

52:51 ↗ to fix it

52:56 ↗ what was that tom sorry what was the

52:59 ↗ question or

52:59 ↗ the statement i think i guess it's kind

53:01 ↗ of a question too i guess is kind of

53:03 ↗ asking what uh nina was asking as far as

53:06 ↗ um if they're just paying for the signal

53:09 ↗ is there that many street improvements

53:11 ↗ that have to go along with that

53:12 ↗ yes visco would have to cover as opposed

53:14 ↗ to

53:15 ↗ develop recovering that are tied into

53:18 ↗ that signal

53:20 ↗ so the the current sig the

53:23 ↗ the current phase that will build this

53:24 ↗ signal we're not doing any of the street

53:27 ↗ improvements

53:28 ↗ besides what the developer's doing so

53:30 ↗ the developer is

53:32 ↗ rebuilding the curb ramps and doing the

53:36 ↗ signal

53:37 ↗ redoing the pavement markings on the

53:39 ↗ inside of the intersection to mark the

53:40 ↗ scramble

53:42 ↗ okay and i it's been a few months since

53:44 ↗ i've looked at the plans to see what

53:45 ↗ else

53:46 ↗ they're doing but the stuff that's south

53:49 ↗ the the unique intersection

53:53 ↗ that's the future stuff

53:58 ↗ okay okay well it's a it's another good

54:02 ↗ project

54:03 ↗ uh but i'm gonna segue if i can from

54:06 ↗ that to another project

54:08 ↗ yes it's in this theme in that

54:11 ↗ you know here we thought oh gosh we got

54:13 ↗ this developer's gonna pay for the

54:14 ↗ scramble

54:15 ↗ and then no it's gonna cost us so much

54:18 ↗ more

54:19 ↗ to get that and the other one i bring up

54:22 ↗ in that context that seems like that

54:24 ↗ sort of thing to me

54:25 ↗ is the central park the central park

54:28 ↗ crossing

54:29 ↗ um we we put a bond issue out to

54:32 ↗ increase

54:33 ↗ the use and capacity of central park

54:36 ↗ which then creates an even more

54:38 ↗ dangerous situation for pedestrians and

54:40 ↗ kids

54:40 ↗ volume and cars and all that so now we

54:43 ↗ have to put out another bond

54:45 ↗ to pay for the road improvements that

54:48 ↗ are caused by

54:48 ↗ another bond that increase the capacity

54:51 ↗ beyond its ability

54:52 ↗ um just frustrating to think that that

54:55 ↗ has to go

54:56 ↗ to a bond issue um

54:59 ↗ it's like we created we created our own

55:03 ↗ uh transportation safety debt by

55:06 ↗ increasing the capacity of that park um

55:09 ↗ i don't know that's more of a comment

55:10 ↗ than a question but i would let you come

55:13 ↗ uh respond if you'd like to

55:17 ↗ good comment had much to add to it

55:22 ↗ okay let's leave it there but it's you

55:24 ↗ know it's absolutely necessary

55:25 ↗ so i'm glad she's on the list okay my um

55:28 ↗ my last uh

55:29 ↗ project that i wanted to talk about or

55:31 ↗ ask about

55:32 ↗ is the i-90 crossing and we have this

55:35 ↗ all

55:35 ↗ laid out we've got this thing this

55:37 ↗ connectivity but

55:39 ↗ how much planning can we do on that uh

55:41 ↗ when we don't know where

55:42 ↗ uh sound transit rail station might go

55:44 ↗ and

55:45 ↗ um how this crossing design and

55:49 ↗ everything

55:50 ↗ um can can it's just too

55:54 ↗ woven with a project that is a couple

55:57 ↗ decades even further out

55:59 ↗ how do we how do we avoid interference

56:02 ↗ there

56:03 ↗ that is absolutely spot on and

56:07 ↗ this was a project originally we were

56:09 ↗ going to

56:10 ↗ spend 50 000 in 2021

56:14 ↗ and 25 000 in 2022

56:18 ↗ working on doing concept work for that

56:22 ↗ project and applying for a grant and

56:24 ↗ trying to

56:25 ↗ eventually design it but as we're

56:28 ↗ talking about how to put this together

56:30 ↗ and thinking

56:33 ↗ how does this interact with light rail

56:36 ↗ for this particular spot i have so many

56:39 ↗ questions

56:40 ↗ that we just we still show it in there

56:42 ↗ because

56:43 ↗ it's this is a concurrency project i i

56:46 ↗ can tell you that

56:48 ↗ and but the questions i have are

56:53 ↗ okay what happens to the concurrency

56:54 ↗ model if we don't build it what happens

56:56 ↗ to the concurrency model

56:58 ↗ if we have it so we have two i-90

57:00 ↗ crossings

57:02 ↗ ones in the future years once in the

57:04 ↗ current next six years one's a

57:06 ↗ pedestrian crossing one's a vehicle

57:08 ↗ crossing

57:09 ↗ where did the each of them go what

57:12 ↗ happens if we don't build the vehicle

57:14 ↗ crossing

57:15 ↗ other things i've wondered what if the

57:17 ↗ vehicle crossing were just a bus

57:18 ↗ crossing

57:19 ↗ how would it tie into the light rail i

57:21 ↗ would hate for us to

57:23 ↗ design and build a vehicle crossing

57:27 ↗ and then sound transit comes there and

57:30 ↗ then we've got all these pedestrians and

57:32 ↗ bikes dropping off

57:33 ↗ or not by bikes our buses dropping off

57:35 ↗ people

57:36 ↗ and then we've got people driving

57:38 ↗ through and it doesn't work well and

57:40 ↗ so as i look at that those two crossings

57:43 ↗ the pedestrian one

57:44 ↗ and the vehicle crossing thinking about

57:47 ↗ where light rail might go

57:48 ↗ chances are it's going to be somewhere

57:50 ↗ in the regional growth center

57:52 ↗ of course we'll have to go through all

57:53 ↗ the studies i wouldn't be surprised if

57:55 ↗ it's pretty close to costco

57:57 ↗ just taking the guess i'm getting ahead

58:00 ↗ of myself but just

58:01 ↗ how does that whole picture fit with

58:04 ↗ trying to move people and

58:09 ↗ not wanting to get ahead and

58:12 ↗ build a vehicle crossing right where we

58:16 ↗ think the light rail station should be

58:17 ↗ in

58:18 ↗ there's a lot of work to be done and a

58:20 ↗ lot of planning and thinking

58:22 ↗ that need to be done

58:28 ↗ yeah so when you take this to

58:31 ↗ council i would appreciate

58:34 ↗ that and maybe cynthia and tom could not

58:38 ↗ or shake their heads

58:39 ↗ whether they concur that this should be

58:42 ↗ uh

58:42 ↗ a light should be shown upon this when

58:44 ↗ the city council

58:46 ↗ you guys both agree with that i would

58:48 ↗ say yes and it kind of looks like it's

58:49 ↗ just maintaining the coordination and

58:51 ↗ planning with

58:52 ↗ the transportation sound transit

58:54 ↗ everything as

58:56 ↗ kind of developing it's really kind of

58:58 ↗ making sure we're keeping up with

59:00 ↗ with the changes i'm not sure where the

59:02 ↗ 500 000 comes to twenty four but the

59:04 ↗ probably started with more of a study

59:06 ↗ but i think the money's there

59:08 ↗ because you need to keep the

59:09 ↗ coordination going

59:11 ↗ whatever's going to happen down the road

59:13 ↗ [Music]

59:15 ↗ okay that there's an emphasis from that

59:17 ↗ so let me ask you a question then since

59:19 ↗ you

59:19 ↗ just said john that it was a concurrency

59:21 ↗ project

59:22 ↗ the um initial stages are all in

59:26 ↗ oh let me see i'm sorry to look at it

59:28 ↗ again here

59:30 ↗ uh fifty thousand five hundred thousand

59:33 ↗ a million

59:33 ↗ you know when you get five years from

59:35 ↗ now and then there's the future years

59:37 ↗ eighty million dollars so when you say

59:40 ↗ concurrency i'm thinking that we're

59:42 ↗ charging impact fees

59:43 ↗ to cover the cost of this thing how much

59:46 ↗ of the cost of this

59:47 ↗ 81 almost 82 million dollar project

59:50 ↗ is covered with concurrency fees

59:57 ↗ without knowing the answer not 80

1:00:00 ↗ million dollars

1:00:02 ↗ i i really don't know

1:00:07 ↗ and

1:00:11 ↗ i i'd also have to look at how that

1:00:13 ↗ estimate was developed

1:00:15 ↗ i i have more questions than i have

1:00:18 ↗ answers on that project

1:00:20 ↗ to be very frank but at this time i

1:00:23 ↗ would think though

1:00:24 ↗ on something that big we would apply for

1:00:26 ↗ everything from fta grants fhwa grants

1:00:29 ↗ things like that to

1:00:30 ↗ combine it between city multimodal

1:00:33 ↗ development

1:00:34 ↗ but that's not all going to be city

1:00:36 ↗ funds for that right no

1:00:38 ↗ this is one that would be really good

1:00:40 ↗ for getting federal

1:00:42 ↗ funds because of the impact that it

1:00:44 ↗ would have to the region

1:00:47 ↗ and uh in response to your comment on in

1:00:50 ↗ terms of like coordination with where

1:00:51 ↗ trans is gonna go i mean

1:00:53 ↗ uh tom you're right we would we would be

1:00:55 ↗ looking for

1:00:56 ↗ fda grants if there's going to be

1:00:59 ↗ meeting coordination with

1:01:00 ↗ light rail um if a light rail station

1:01:02 ↗ goes right there because that

1:01:03 ↗ that increases the opportunities for us

1:01:05 ↗ to apply for different grants

1:01:07 ↗ if we're able to coordinate with all

1:01:09 ↗ that we just don't know the answer on

1:01:11 ↗ light rail yet um which will be coming

1:01:13 ↗ in the next couple of years

1:01:17 ↗ yeah so for me i think what i'm looking

1:01:19 ↗ at in that one

1:01:21 ↗ is that in 2022 we have some what look

1:01:25 ↗ like design

1:01:26 ↗ um investments and i wouldn't want to

1:01:30 ↗ embark on those until we knew more about

1:01:32 ↗ where

1:01:32 ↗ light rail was going and also don't want

1:01:34 ↗ to um

1:01:36 ↗ commit to a burden

1:01:40 ↗ in an area where sound transit might be

1:01:42 ↗ taking on

1:01:43 ↗ a financial burden and it doesn't need

1:01:46 ↗ to be ours

1:01:47 ↗ um if concurrency is saying we just need

1:01:49 ↗ one more crossing somewhere

1:01:52 ↗ then i wouldn't put it where somebody

1:01:55 ↗ else might be providing

1:01:57 ↗ access at least in the multimodal way

1:02:00 ↗ you know a rail station might

1:02:02 ↗ need to provide ped bike access

1:02:06 ↗ which would then duplicate this thing

1:02:08 ↗ that we're trying to do

1:02:09 ↗ somewhere going across i-90 anyway so

1:02:12 ↗ that that would

1:02:13 ↗ i think i think we're all in agreement

1:02:15 ↗ that um

1:02:17 ↗ that project needs more time and

1:02:20 ↗ evaluation

1:02:22 ↗ in in

1:02:25 ↗ collaboration with what happens with

1:02:27 ↗ sound transit

1:02:29 ↗ okay that was the last item on my list

1:02:31 ↗ that i wanted to give feedback on

1:02:34 ↗ projects in the tip cynthia and tom do

1:02:37 ↗ you have any other

1:02:38 ↗ comments or questions that you'd like to

1:02:40 ↗ ask

1:02:42 ↗ not at this time

1:02:46 ↗ okay uh stephen is there anything else

1:02:48 ↗ you'd like to discuss on this item on

1:02:50 ↗ our agenda

1:02:53 ↗ no i don't believe so john do you have

1:02:55 ↗ the feedback that you're looking for

1:02:57 ↗ yes i really appreciate it thank you

1:03:00 ↗ everyone

1:03:02 ↗ good okay stephen then uh we can go on

1:03:04 ↗ to the uh master mobility plan update

1:03:07 ↗ uh report from you sure thing just give

1:03:11 ↗ me one second

1:03:12 ↗ to put my slides

1:03:16 ↗ this and this will be fairly quick it's

1:03:18 ↗ it's just a

1:03:19 ↗ quick follow-up from the last

1:03:21 ↗ presentation i gave to

1:03:23 ↗ to you all at our last meeting

1:03:29 ↗ let me know once you can see my screen

1:03:43 ↗ okay am i there all right so just to

1:03:46 ↗ update the schedule

1:03:47 ↗ um we're going to city council next week

1:03:49 ↗ to present the mobility master plan

1:03:51 ↗ we'll be going to the planning policy

1:03:53 ↗ commission to also give them opportunity

1:03:55 ↗ to review and provide feedback

1:03:56 ↗ on a mobility master plan prior to

1:04:00 ↗ the public hearing in october

1:04:04 ↗ and then my plan is to bring back the

1:04:07 ↗ mobility mesh plans for the

1:04:08 ↗ transportation advisory board

1:04:10 ↗ before it goes on to the next uh city

1:04:13 ↗ council study session november

1:04:15 ↗ and and but also in october we'll start

1:04:16 ↗ talking or start discussions on our

1:04:19 ↗ 2021 work plan and all the items that

1:04:21 ↗ will be taken on in 2021 as well

1:04:24 ↗ and then in december we'll move on to

1:04:26 ↗ the adoption process as

1:04:27 ↗ for the mmp as part of the full comp

1:04:30 ↗ plan update

1:04:33 ↗ are there any questions before i on this

1:04:34 ↗ schedule

1:04:38 ↗ cynthia tom either of you have questions

1:04:40 ↗ raise your hand or

1:04:42 ↗ chime in they're just two of us i have a

1:04:44 ↗ question

1:04:46 ↗ i don't know it's really a question so

1:04:47 ↗ um

1:04:49 ↗ the work plan for 2021

1:04:52 ↗ that's the tabs work plan correct

1:04:55 ↗ can we make sure that council i know

1:04:58 ↗ i've said this before i'm a little bit

1:04:59 ↗ like a broken record but

1:05:00 ↗ we'll make sure we have a discussion

1:05:02 ↗ about that just to make sure that

1:05:04 ↗ they are setting our work plan since

1:05:07 ↗ we're advising them i want to know what

1:05:09 ↗ they want advice on

1:05:12 ↗ yes uh this this will be kind of our

1:05:14 ↗ initial discussions

1:05:16 ↗ to but to start kind of putting together

1:05:19 ↗ a draft but we will

1:05:20 ↗ consult with the mayor and city council

1:05:22 ↗ on work plan for 2021 as well

1:05:30 ↗ do you have a question about schedule no

1:05:32 ↗ i'm i actually was doing a

1:05:34 ↗ step so i can keep it i'm looking

1:05:36 ↗ reading it on the other screen

1:05:38 ↗ um no i don't

1:05:43 ↗ okay i i have a question stephen back to

1:05:46 ↗ that slide please

1:05:48 ↗ the um when we last saw

1:05:52 ↗ the mmp it was a july 23rd

1:05:55 ↗ revision uh and is there

1:05:59 ↗ when it goes on september 8th is it

1:06:01 ↗ going to be a

1:06:02 ↗ new version or at what stages will there

1:06:06 ↗ be

1:06:06 ↗ a revised version of the mmp as it goes

1:06:09 ↗ through this process

1:06:10 ↗ yes so it'll be a revised version

1:06:12 ↗ that'll be going to city council

1:06:14 ↗ on the 8th and we're going through

1:06:18 ↗ the uh approved process with the

1:06:20 ↗ administration right now once that's

1:06:21 ↗ released i'll be sending that out to

1:06:23 ↗ all the tab members review and then um

1:06:27 ↗ kind of giving comments on what what to

1:06:29 ↗ look for in

1:06:30 ↗ the materials for that's going to city

1:06:31 ↗ council and then the same materials are

1:06:34 ↗ going to be going to

1:06:35 ↗ the planning policy commission for

1:06:36 ↗ september 10th for discussion

1:06:38 ↗ and then it will come back to the tab in

1:06:40 ↗ in october when we eventually schedule

1:06:42 ↗ our meeting in october

1:06:44 ↗ okay so in october is when we look and

1:06:46 ↗ see if the planning

1:06:47 ↗ commission had any comments on what we

1:06:49 ↗ have right absolutely

1:06:51 ↗ yeah so i'm not going to be making any

1:06:54 ↗ final revisions to the mmp

1:06:57 ↗ um and sending it to council um without

1:07:00 ↗ talking to

1:07:00 ↗ the board first okay i'm sorry stephen

1:07:04 ↗ you're saying you're going to send us

1:07:06 ↗ another version and ask for our comments

1:07:09 ↗ or feedback before the september 8th

1:07:11 ↗ meeting which is next no no

1:07:14 ↗ i think he's reviewing the planning

1:07:15 ↗ commission addressing any planning

1:07:17 ↗ commission

1:07:18 ↗ comments correct yeah and that's what

1:07:20 ↗ we'll discuss in

1:07:21 ↗ october okay okay

1:07:25 ↗ great okay continue thank you okay

1:07:31 ↗ so what's next um a lot of what's

1:07:34 ↗ outlined in the implementation portion

1:07:35 ↗ of the mmp we're going to be

1:07:37 ↗ making several policy updates in the

1:07:39 ↗ next year or two

1:07:40 ↗ the complete streets policy which you've

1:07:42 ↗ seen we'll bring that to council have a

1:07:44 ↗ discussion on

1:07:45 ↗ making an update to that that policy uh

1:07:48 ↗ we're going to be bringing the crossing

1:07:49 ↗ guidelines to city council to have

1:07:51 ↗ discussion let them know what type of

1:07:53 ↗ updates are going to be

1:07:55 ↗ going into the street standards as part

1:07:57 ↗ of what we're looking for in the mmp

1:07:59 ↗ in terms of improving safety we'll be

1:08:03 ↗ taking another look at the traffic

1:08:04 ↗ calming policy and our process

1:08:06 ↗ for implementing traffic calming

1:08:08 ↗ projects probably

1:08:10 ↗ later in 2021 um but i mean

1:08:13 ↗ one of the bigger i think items we have

1:08:16 ↗ in 2021 is going to be taking

1:08:19 ↗ a very in-depth look at the cip and how

1:08:22 ↗ to incorporate the mmp

1:08:24 ↗ in that entire into the capital

1:08:26 ↗ improvement plan

1:08:27 ↗ um and then in the future and it may be

1:08:29 ↗ 2021 and maybe 2022

1:08:31 ↗ taking a look at transit and also

1:08:34 ↗ concurrency

1:08:35 ↗ right now i don't have firm graphs on

1:08:38 ↗ one will be able to do that but that is

1:08:40 ↗ something that needs to happen soon

1:08:44 ↗ soon in the next year or two okay

1:08:49 ↗ any questions on what's coming next

1:08:52 ↗ i have a question go ahead cynthia how

1:08:54 ↗ are we going to do

1:08:55 ↗ those into 2020 um

1:08:59 ↗ are we just going to introduce to those

1:09:00 ↗ in 2020

1:09:02 ↗ so we've already had a lot of

1:09:04 ↗ discussions on those two items the

1:09:05 ↗ complete streets policy and the crossing

1:09:07 ↗ guidelines

1:09:08 ↗ this is more of a kind of a combination

1:09:11 ↗ of what's next for the mmp but also

1:09:13 ↗ what to look forward to for the tab in

1:09:16 ↗ 2021.

1:09:17 ↗ um i should have been more clear on that

1:09:19 ↗ so the policy

1:09:21 ↗ the complete streets policy and the

1:09:22 ↗ crossing guidelines updates that we've

1:09:24 ↗ already discussed that's when we're

1:09:26 ↗ planning to bring that to city council

1:09:28 ↗ at the end of this year

1:09:29 ↗ um and then in 2021 we'll have more

1:09:32 ↗ discussions with city council

1:09:34 ↗ on the traffic coming policy and more

1:09:37 ↗ discussions with the tab

1:09:38 ↗ on street standards and the capital

1:09:40 ↗ group

1:09:43 ↗ does that help answer your question it

1:09:45 ↗ does i sure wish i could remember where

1:09:47 ↗ we netted do you have some sort of

1:09:49 ↗ summary of yeah

1:09:52 ↗ for the complete streets policy i just

1:09:55 ↗ having trouble keeping track of

1:09:56 ↗ everything

1:09:57 ↗ i just um to my

1:10:00 ↗ impressions cynthia i think what you're

1:10:01 ↗ getting at is that i don't remember us

1:10:04 ↗ blessing a version of the constraints

1:10:07 ↗ complete streets policy is saying oh

1:10:09 ↗ yeah this is great please send this on

1:10:11 ↗ i i know we talked about it several

1:10:12 ↗ times and you were listening and taking

1:10:14 ↗ our feedback but i don't remember

1:10:16 ↗ getting to a point where saying

1:10:18 ↗ hey here it is uh okay

1:10:21 ↗ would it be helpful if i brought that

1:10:23 ↗ into our october meeting then

1:10:25 ↗ if we've got time um yeah

1:10:28 ↗ and then crossing guidelines those

1:10:31 ↗ aren't policy those are

1:10:33 ↗ um those go somewhere else right it's a

1:10:36 ↗ combination of policies

1:10:37 ↗ as well as uh engineering standards um

1:10:40 ↗ so there are policies kind of built into

1:10:43 ↗ our engineering standards and our street

1:10:45 ↗ standards

1:10:46 ↗ but we want to make sure we have

1:10:47 ↗ discussion with city council let them

1:10:49 ↗ know what kind of updates we're making

1:10:51 ↗ before we make them

1:10:53 ↗ yeah but we want to really say on the

1:10:55 ↗ crossing guidelines if

1:10:56 ↗ there's a project if it's going to

1:10:58 ↗ incorporate those it's just going to

1:10:59 ↗ incorporate those

1:11:00 ↗ within that project though i would think

1:11:03 ↗ could you say that one more time tom i

1:11:06 ↗ don't think we have

1:11:07 ↗ a lot of say on the guidelines because

1:11:09 ↗ if there's a project

1:11:10 ↗ going to touch something that's going to

1:11:12 ↗ affect it's going to incorporate that

1:11:14 ↗ crossing into whatever the plan is

1:11:16 ↗ based on the guidelines that's dictating

1:11:19 ↗ here's where you should be doing the

1:11:20 ↗ cross scenes

1:11:22 ↗ yeah well yes and no so some of the

1:11:25 ↗ policies that we had discussed as part

1:11:27 ↗ of the crossing guidelines

1:11:28 ↗ did talk about you know the type of

1:11:31 ↗ improvements we want to make and

1:11:32 ↗ locations that we want to make them all

1:11:34 ↗ the types of locations

1:11:35 ↗ yeah but how we you know how we do that

1:11:38 ↗ when we do that

1:11:39 ↗ is is not really the part that we're

1:11:41 ↗ going to be discussing it's more of

1:11:43 ↗ you know what's appropriate in which

1:11:45 ↗ areas

1:11:48 ↗ okay okay

1:11:54 ↗ cynthia did that cover what you wanted

1:11:55 ↗ to come that makes sense yeah yes i

1:11:57 ↗ think

1:11:57 ↗ nina you uh you get me and i think i'm

1:12:00 ↗ always just

1:12:01 ↗ assuming that i'm missed something

1:12:04 ↗ because i have a brain like a sieve at

1:12:07 ↗ times but um

1:12:08 ↗ yeah so i think you kind of hit the nail

1:12:10 ↗ on the head so thank you

1:12:14 ↗ and and to help kind of clear up um the

1:12:17 ↗ last time we had

1:12:19 ↗ talked about those two was back in

1:12:22 ↗ february i believe when i brought the

1:12:25 ↗ final version to the tab

1:12:29 ↗ to make one more version before taking

1:12:31 ↗ it to the city council

1:12:32 ↗ but we ended up not being able to take

1:12:33 ↗ it to city council after february as

1:12:36 ↗ uh pandemic so um i guess is bring it up

1:12:39 ↗ and then you do bring a good point i

1:12:41 ↗ should

1:12:41 ↗ bring this back up to the board um

1:12:44 ↗ before bringing it to city council

1:12:47 ↗ excellent but i think before covid oh

1:12:50 ↗ are you kidding

1:12:51 ↗ me i can remember that

1:12:55 ↗ i don't know okay what else is on the

1:12:57 ↗ agenda stephen i think we're

1:12:59 ↗ getting our time we've got the chair

1:13:02 ↗ report staff report in the youth report

1:13:04 ↗ the um chair does not have a report does

1:13:07 ↗ the vice chair have a report

1:13:09 ↗ co-chair

1:13:14 ↗ no stephen do you um do you have a

1:13:16 ↗ report uh

1:13:18 ↗ a really quick report just staffing

1:13:20 ↗ updates we

1:13:21 ↗ had uh we're having interviews for the

1:13:24 ↗ translation manager this week

1:13:27 ↗ um that should get decided

1:13:30 ↗ hopefully next week and we so we should

1:13:33 ↗ be here something either next week or

1:13:34 ↗ the week after that

1:13:36 ↗ um public works director recruitment was

1:13:38 ↗ just posted

1:13:40 ↗ um for the job description and so we're

1:13:43 ↗ taking applications through september i

1:13:45 ↗ believe we'll be looking for interviews

1:13:47 ↗ in

1:13:48 ↗ either october or november and hopefully

1:13:50 ↗ have someone a new public works director

1:13:52 ↗ on board by the end of this year

1:13:57 ↗ and then the only other staffing update

1:13:59 ↗ i can and provide is

1:14:00 ↗ the streetery is still continuing strong

1:14:03 ↗ we're still receiving a lot of great

1:14:05 ↗ feedback on that um

1:14:07 ↗ the last weekend at the moment is

1:14:09 ↗ through the end of september so

1:14:11 ↗ i think september 27th is the last

1:14:15 ↗ day um but

1:14:19 ↗ because of the pandemic where we're

1:14:22 ↗ starting to take a look at how can we

1:14:24 ↗ either extend or use the concept of this

1:14:26 ↗ jewelry in the fall

1:14:28 ↗ and winter and so we're kind of

1:14:29 ↗ exploring those ideas and it may not be

1:14:31 ↗ you know just run the streetery through

1:14:33 ↗ january it might just be

1:14:35 ↗ we use the same idea so that

1:14:38 ↗ outdoor cd can be provided in certain

1:14:40 ↗ areas either at certain times or all the

1:14:42 ↗ time

1:14:49 ↗ well i think that's all we have on our

1:14:52 ↗ agenda

1:14:54 ↗ anything else from cynthia orton before

1:14:56 ↗ we

1:14:58 ↗ close the other thing would be to

1:15:00 ↗ announce our next meeting which is in

1:15:02 ↗ october but we don't have a date yet is

1:15:05 ↗ that right stephen and how will you go

1:15:06 ↗ about setting a date

1:15:07 ↗ i'll be reaching out to all the board

1:15:09 ↗ members to figure out when the best time

1:15:11 ↗ is

1:15:11 ↗ whether it's going to be um i'd like to

1:15:14 ↗ do it in mid

1:15:15 ↗ october just so i have enough time to

1:15:18 ↗ prepare for the november study session

1:15:19 ↗ with city council

1:15:20 ↗ um so i'll reach out with i'll reach out

1:15:23 ↗ to the board members uh to figure out

1:15:24 ↗ the best date

1:15:26 ↗ be like october 13th or 20th

1:15:32 ↗ what's the night of the week that we

1:15:34 ↗ always meet tuesday that's uh

1:15:38 ↗ tuesday and thursdays or well

1:15:41 ↗ so yeah if it was a regular meeting it

1:15:44 ↗ would be the 27th

1:15:47 ↗ earlier than that so yeah i'm hoping to

1:15:49 ↗ get it earlier and

1:15:51 ↗ um so yeah it would be the 13th 14th or

1:15:53 ↗ 15th at the moment

1:15:54 ↗ um but i still have to check with the

1:15:56 ↗ city clerk

1:15:57 ↗ excellent thanks tom

1:16:00 ↗ standing meeting on the third you have a

1:16:03 ↗ standing meeting on the 13th the second

1:16:05 ↗ tuesday of every month yeah

1:16:06 ↗ okay so i'll aim for the i'll ask about

1:16:08 ↗ the 14th and the 15th

1:16:10 ↗ sounds good unless you all want to tell

1:16:11 ↗ me that right now

1:16:13 ↗ those sound good so far i've got my

1:16:15 ↗ calendar yeah

1:16:16 ↗ okay okay great in that case

1:16:20 ↗ i am going to adjourn this

1:16:23 ↗ meeting at 7 27 of the transportation

1:16:26 ↗ advisory board

1:16:28 ↗ and uh thank john who popped off the

1:16:30 ↗ screen before i all got to thank him

1:16:32 ↗ for his presentation tonight thank you

1:16:34 ↗ cynthia anton for

1:16:35 ↗ coming and stephen for the good meeting

1:16:38 ↗ thank you

1:16:38 ↗ great thank you everyone hi guys thank

1:16:40 ↗ you so much

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