Transportation Advisory Board - Special Meeting · Tuesday, September 1, 2020 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

Transportation Advisory Board About Created in 2017, this board — yet to be Staff Liaison initiated — will provide additional expertise and Stephen Padua, advice on the City’s transportation system and Senior Transportation Manager goals. Email Membership Regular Members The Transportation Advisory Board will be 2020 – Cynthia Krass comprised of nine regular members, and up to 2020 – Vacant three alternates. Initial terms will be staggered. 2021 – Tom McDonald All members are appointed by the Mayor and 2021 – Nina Milligan subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms 2021 – Kobi Sunday* expire April 30 of the year listed. For more 2022 – Sujata Goel information, see IMC 2.92. 2022 – Vacant 2023 – Vacant 2023 – Marisol Visser

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of August 6, 2020

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 08-06-20 Transportation Advisory Board Minutes Page [0000]

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Transportation Improvement Plan

Discussion · 80 min · Stephen Padua, Senior Transportation Planner · packet pp.9–48

Topics: Transportation

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Master Mobility Plan Update

Information · 10 min · Stephen Padua, Senior Transportation Planner · packet pp.49–50

Topics: Transportation

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Staff report:

Updated Schedule • Sept 8– City Council Meeting • Sept 10– Planning Policy Commission Review • Oct 8– Comprehensive Plan Public Hearing • Oct – Transportation Advisory Board Meeting • Nov 10 – City Council Study Session • Dec 7 – City Council Adoption Comp Plan AGENDA ITEMS b)

5. REPORTS

Staff Report

Chair Report

Youth Report

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

The next meeting is TBD

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0:29 ↗ we have an approval of minutes but we

0:31 ↗ don't have

0:32 ↗ enough members of our board here tonight

0:35 ↗ to vote on that so we're going to

0:36 ↗ postpone approving the minutes

0:38 ↗ the august 6th meeting until the next

0:40 ↗ time we meet the next item on our agenda

0:42 ↗ is public comments and i'll turn to

0:44 ↗ stephen padua

0:46 ↗ for any um input is there anybody

0:49 ↗ providing public comments tonight i

0:52 ↗ don't believe so

0:53 ↗ no one's no one's online and no one

0:54 ↗ signed up okay

0:56 ↗ thank you and um stephen i think uh

0:59 ↗ before we get any further i usually do a

1:01 ↗ roll call

1:02 ↗ um and there's just me and cynthia here

1:04 ↗ now i'll just say

1:06 ↗ nine milligan here and cynthia with the

1:09 ↗ camera on if you could

1:10 ↗ say your name and say you're here

1:12 ↗ cynthia grass and i'm here

1:15 ↗ great and if any other members of the

1:16 ↗ board come in i will um

1:19 ↗ at any break acknowledge that they're

1:21 ↗ here for the record

1:22 ↗ sound good yes okay

1:27 ↗ okay great so no public comments that

1:28 ↗ means we move on to the next item on the

1:30 ↗ agenda which is the transportation

1:32 ↗ improvement plan

1:33 ↗ and this is presented by stephen padua

1:36 ↗ our senior transportation planner so

1:38 ↗ i'll turn it over to you stephen

1:48 ↗ the tip is actually gonna be presented

1:50 ↗ by john morrison our senior

1:52 ↗ transportation engineer thank you

2:00 ↗ and just to give a heads up

2:04 ↗ tom just sent me a message saying he's

2:06 ↗ going to be about

2:07 ↗ 15 minutes late okay thank you

2:14 ↗ just a minute here i'm getting it loaded

2:16 ↗ up to share to you guys

2:18 ↗ i want to make sure it's not on mute

2:23 ↗ and slideshow

2:36 ↗ okay can everyone see the the screen

2:41 ↗ yes all right i'm john mortensen i'm a

2:44 ↗ senior transportation engineer

2:46 ↗ with the city of issaquah i'm here

2:48 ↗ tonight to present

2:50 ↗ the 2021 to 2026

2:54 ↗ transportation improvement plan hey john

2:57 ↗ do you have it on a

2:59 ↗ presentation setting

3:04 ↗ oops paused

3:08 ↗ f5 and it'll do that for you okay

3:13 ↗ i it's showing paused

3:16 ↗ for my screen sharing maybe resume there

3:19 ↗ we go

3:19 ↗ there we go okay sorry about that

3:25 ↗ [Music]

3:28 ↗ every year the city of issaquah updates

3:30 ↗ its

3:31 ↗ six-year transportation improvement plan

3:34 ↗ we do this for

3:35 ↗ a couple reasons but the primary one is

3:38 ↗ it's good planning to

3:39 ↗ look ahead at what transportation plans

3:41 ↗ we're going to be

3:42 ↗ working on in the next six years and how

3:45 ↗ we're going to be funding them

3:47 ↗ the other reason that we do it is it is

3:49 ↗ required by

3:50 ↗ state law and every year we update the

3:54 ↗ tip

3:54 ↗ normally we get it approved we do it in

3:57 ↗ the spring

3:58 ↗ and we get it approved by the council in

4:01 ↗ june

4:02 ↗ so that way we could send the approved

4:04 ↗ transportation improvement plan to the

4:06 ↗ state

4:07 ↗ in july however this year with covid we

4:10 ↗ decided to delay it a little bit just

4:12 ↗ because

4:14 ↗ with everything that was going on we're

4:15 ↗ trying to figure out

4:17 ↗ how to conduct a public hearing which is

4:20 ↗ required for the transportation

4:21 ↗ improvement plan

4:22 ↗ and just get our heads around how we're

4:25 ↗ working remotely

4:27 ↗ another reason why we do the

4:28 ↗ transportation improvement plan

4:30 ↗ is a lot of the grants that we try and

4:33 ↗ apply for for our project

4:35 ↗ in order to be eligible have our

4:37 ↗ projects eligible they need to be on our

4:38 ↗ approved transportation improvement plan

4:43 ↗ the transportation improvement plan

4:46 ↗ is a subset of the city's capital

4:48 ↗ improvement plan

4:50 ↗ the city does its capital improvement

4:52 ↗ plan every two years

4:54 ↗ and that includes everything from

4:56 ↗ technology systems

4:58 ↗ to our parks and trails storm water

5:01 ↗ water sewer

5:03 ↗ and our buildings and of course the

5:04 ↗ transportation improvement plan

5:06 ↗ now what makes the tip unique like i

5:08 ↗ said is

5:10 ↗ we do the tip or transportation

5:12 ↗ improvement plan

5:13 ↗ every year and we do the capital

5:15 ↗ improvement plan every two years

5:17 ↗ so it's got a little bit of its nuance

5:20 ↗ from the rest of the

5:22 ↗ stuff that we do in the capital

5:24 ↗ improvement plan

5:27 ↗ so for this year for the transportation

5:30 ↗ improvement plan

5:31 ↗ we're just doing a minor update because

5:34 ↗ last year when we did our transportation

5:36 ↗ improvement plan

5:38 ↗ we did it with our capital improvement

5:40 ↗ plan

5:41 ↗ and we went through a lot of work to

5:44 ↗ identify funds for our projects and

5:47 ↗ this year it's just a minor update

5:49 ↗ because

5:50 ↗ stephen and you guys and the consultant

5:53 ↗ parent peers have been working really

5:55 ↗ hard at the mobility master plan

5:57 ↗ and starting in january we're going to

6:00 ↗ be doing

6:01 ↗ the city is going to be doing work with

6:03 ↗ the tab to

6:04 ↗ get do a major update to the

6:07 ↗ transportation improvement plan and the

6:08 ↗ capital improvement plan to incorporate

6:11 ↗ the mobility master plan into the

6:14 ↗ capital improvement plan and

6:15 ↗ transportation improvement plan so

6:17 ↗ as you're looking at this if you're

6:19 ↗ thinking

6:20 ↗ we did all this work on the mobility

6:22 ↗ master plan

6:23 ↗ and you're not incorporating it that's

6:26 ↗ because

6:27 ↗ that's next year's big work plan

6:30 ↗ and that right now we're just doing a

6:32 ↗ minor update in order to comply with the

6:34 ↗ state laws our

6:35 ↗ projects are eligible for funding

6:39 ↗ so a little bit of a the typical project

6:43 ↗ process and i'll use as an example i'm

6:46 ↗ sure you guys are aware up in

6:47 ↗ providence point at southeast 43rd we're

6:49 ↗ we're building a traffic signal so i'll

6:51 ↗ use that as an example as i talk

6:53 ↗ through this and so usually the

6:56 ↗ the first two steps would be feasibility

6:59 ↗ study and

7:00 ↗ schematic design and we showed this as

7:03 ↗ two steps really a lot of times they'd

7:04 ↗ be one step

7:05 ↗ so on that project the city did a

7:08 ↗ transportation feasibility or

7:11 ↗ transportation needs study for that

7:13 ↗ area back in 2004 and 2005.

7:17 ↗ and then out of that we came up with the

7:19 ↗ idea of building a traffic signal

7:21 ↗ and the city found funding for design

7:26 ↗ and designed the project now we probably

7:29 ↗ should show the funding twice because

7:30 ↗ it's one thing to fund the design but

7:33 ↗ you also have to fund the construction

7:34 ↗ and

7:35 ↗ as you guys might be aware of so we

7:38 ↗ like i said we started doing the

7:40 ↗ feasibility study back in 2004

7:43 ↗ and we didn't get around to doing the

7:44 ↗ construction until this spring

7:47 ↗ and so it can take a while and that

7:49 ↗ funding

7:50 ↗ component that we have in the middle

7:52 ↗ that's a big part of it and that's

7:54 ↗ also why we do our transportation

7:55 ↗ improvement plan is to identify

7:58 ↗ potential funding sources for our

7:59 ↗ projects so that way we can eventually

8:02 ↗ get it all the way to the right to

8:03 ↗ construction and then completion

8:08 ↗ this next slide is what we put together

8:11 ↗ for the

8:12 ↗ six-year transportation improvement plan

8:15 ↗ and

8:17 ↗ because we're doing the major update

8:19 ↗ incorporating the mobility master plan

8:21 ↗ starting in january

8:23 ↗ everything that's 2022 to 2026

8:27 ↗ is really up in the air other than some

8:29 ↗ of the projects that are

8:31 ↗ multi-year that we've already started

8:35 ↗ but some of the the main things that

8:37 ↗ we're going to be working on next year

8:39 ↗ are the design and right-of-way for

8:42 ↗ the traffic signal widening project at

8:46 ↗ the intersection of 12th and sr 900

8:48 ↗ that's near where city hall northwest is

8:52 ↗ the happy lemon what used to be the

8:54 ↗ holiday inn

8:55 ↗ another project we're going to start the

8:57 ↗ design on

9:00 ↗ northwest mamash road that's the project

9:02 ↗ we used to call the pinch point that

9:04 ↗ would

9:04 ↗ provide a non-motorized connection

9:06 ↗ between the south cove neighborhood

9:08 ↗ and the state park another project

9:12 ↗ on next year's transportation

9:13 ↗ improvement plan is the

9:16 ↗ pavement management program where we

9:17 ↗ take care of

9:19 ↗ our roads and repave them and

9:22 ↗ we'll be completing the construction on

9:24 ↗ the southeast 43rd and providence point

9:27 ↗ intersection where we're building the

9:28 ↗ brand new traffic signal

9:31 ↗ and we're going to do some works to try

9:33 ↗ and improve safety at the

9:36 ↗ roundabout is southeast 43rd and east

9:39 ↗ lake sam

9:40 ↗ oh and we've also got a sorry i forgot

9:42 ↗ one more

9:43 ↗ a project we call strategic small

9:45 ↗ capital projects

9:46 ↗ and that's to make small connections

9:49 ↗ these are

9:50 ↗ little things that don't fit into the

9:52 ↗ category of a big capital improvement

9:54 ↗ plan but we're wanting to use that to

9:56 ↗ try and make a big difference

9:58 ↗ in helping improve neighborhoods and

10:00 ↗ build connections where there's not any

10:06 ↗ we have about four different types of

10:08 ↗ projects that we look at when we create

10:10 ↗ our transportation improvement plan

10:12 ↗ we have corridor projects where we

10:15 ↗ enhance or build a corridor

10:18 ↗ we do intersection projects where we

10:23 ↗ improve different intersections maybe we

10:26 ↗ might build a new signal

10:27 ↗ traffic signal or roundabout we have

10:30 ↗ non-motorized

10:31 ↗ projects where we build facilities

10:34 ↗ whether it's sidewalk

10:35 ↗ or bike lanes

10:38 ↗ to help the non-motorized

10:42 ↗ transportation and we have

10:51 ↗ back everybody john i'll turn it over to

10:54 ↗ you to pick it up where you left off i

10:56 ↗ know you still need to

10:57 ↗ share your screen that you were showing

10:59 ↗ and that information

11:01 ↗ um they're in what was the last slide

11:05 ↗ that you guys were

11:07 ↗ listening to before that

11:10 ↗ okay way before that

11:15 ↗ uh you were one more yeah that one

11:18 ↗ okay yes that's right there number seven

11:21 ↗ that's when we lost you

11:22 ↗ all right i'll just count that as a

11:24 ↗ dress rehearsal then

11:27 ↗ how'd you do excellent thank you

11:31 ↗ all right so we have about four

11:33 ↗ different types of projects that we look

11:35 ↗ at we've got corridors where

11:37 ↗ we take a ro a road segment

11:40 ↗ and we enhance it or maybe we might

11:43 ↗ build a new one like

11:44 ↗ we did with the southeast 62nd street

11:47 ↗ project that would be building a new

11:48 ↗ corridor

11:50 ↗ we've got intersection projects where

11:52 ↗ maybe we take it

11:53 ↗ a new intersection and make it improved

11:58 ↗ might build a new signal or a roundabout

12:00 ↗ or

12:01 ↗ do something to help improve the

12:03 ↗ performance or safety of an intersection

12:05 ↗ we have non-motorized projects that are

12:08 ↗ designed to help connect pedestrians and

12:11 ↗ bicycles

12:12 ↗ and we have maintenance projects that

12:14 ↗ take care of our existing infrastructure

12:18 ↗ so on our transportation improvement

12:20 ↗ plan we've got

12:21 ↗ looks like about six of the corridor

12:24 ↗ projects and

12:29 ↗ those the the two probably most active

12:32 ↗ and major ones are the two newport whey

12:34 ↗ projects those are

12:36 ↗ each about a mile long or a little bit

12:38 ↗ more where we're

12:39 ↗ going to be rebuilding the corridor and

12:42 ↗ this picture is a

12:43 ↗ a picture or an illustration of what

12:46 ↗ newport sr 900 to southeast 54th is

12:50 ↗ going to look like when it's built out

12:52 ↗ in the future

12:53 ↗ and one project that we do have on the

12:56 ↗ transportation improvement plan this

12:57 ↗ year

12:58 ↗ is gilman boulevard and that's a project

13:01 ↗ that we were supposed to be working on

13:03 ↗ this year and then between

13:06 ↗ staffing vacancies and budget cutbacks

13:10 ↗ that got pushed out

13:11 ↗ we currently don't have a year where

13:13 ↗ it's scheduled but i left it in there

13:15 ↗ separate from the future years project

13:17 ↗ because i think that is a really

13:19 ↗ important project

13:20 ↗ it's one where we'll be creating a

13:24 ↗ concept in a typical section for

13:27 ↗ gilman which is really important because

13:29 ↗ it's right in the heart of the regional

13:31 ↗ growth center and it's going to be

13:33 ↗ redeveloped and we want to be able to

13:35 ↗ tell developers how they need to be

13:36 ↗ rebuilding gilman

13:38 ↗ there's a a really big future project to

13:42 ↗ try and do another crossing of i-90

13:45 ↗ uh right a tibbetts valley park the city

13:48 ↗ needs to

13:50 ↗ do some frontage improvements there and

13:52 ↗ that's a project

13:53 ↗ that we're originally going to start

13:54 ↗ design next year but we kicked it out a

13:56 ↗ year

13:57 ↗ because we're waiting for the state or

14:00 ↗ not the state park the

14:01 ↗ tibbetts valley master plan project to

14:03 ↗ get a little further along

14:05 ↗ and then the final corridor project we

14:07 ↗ have is the front street

14:09 ↗ streetscape that's a project that we've

14:11 ↗ been working on since

14:14 ↗ i'm gonna it's been a few years and we

14:17 ↗ do a little bit at a time and phases is

14:19 ↗ we have money to try and

14:20 ↗ enhance front street and

14:23 ↗ make it more people friendly

14:27 ↗ in the intersection project category for

14:30 ↗ our transportation improvement plan

14:31 ↗ we've got three

14:33 ↗ intersection projects the first one is

14:35 ↗ the

14:36 ↗ project at the intersection of 12th

14:38 ↗ avenue and sr 900

14:41 ↗ that's the one i mentioned a little bit

14:42 ↗ earlier that's part of the costco

14:44 ↗ development agreement

14:45 ↗ and it's currently in design and the

14:48 ↗ plan is to

14:49 ↗ finish the design next year and start

14:51 ↗ acquiring right-of-way

14:53 ↗ and go to construction in early 2022.

14:57 ↗ that's a project that will add a

15:01 ↗ a few extra turning lanes to that

15:02 ↗ intersection the

15:04 ↗ central park traffic signal project

15:06 ↗ that's up in the highlands on park drive

15:09 ↗ and the road that goes to central park

15:12 ↗ a few years ago as part of the

15:17 ↗ expansion of central park one of the

15:20 ↗ things that came out of it is

15:21 ↗ from a traffic point of view we need to

15:24 ↗ build a traffic signal in order

15:26 ↗ for that park development to

15:29 ↗ proceed to future phases and so we've

15:32 ↗ got it on there to do a traffic signal

15:34 ↗ there

15:35 ↗ and the the final intersection project

15:37 ↗ is

15:38 ↗ the one that we're looking at we've got

15:40 ↗ a picture of it's the new traffic signal

15:42 ↗ that's going in at southeast 43rd and

15:44 ↗ providence point

15:45 ↗ and the picture there that's looking at

15:47 ↗ the future exit

15:49 ↗ when you're leaving providence point

15:51 ↗ it's under construction right now

15:55 ↗ for the non-motorized projects that we

15:57 ↗ have in the transportation improvement

15:59 ↗ plan

16:00 ↗ the pinch point project or northwest

16:02 ↗ samamish road

16:03 ↗ that's the one like i had mentioned it's

16:04 ↗ going to provide a non-motorized

16:06 ↗ connection from the

16:09 ↗ south cove neighborhood to the state

16:12 ↗ park

16:13 ↗ the small capital or the strategic small

16:16 ↗ capital projects

16:18 ↗ that's just kind of a little

16:19 ↗ miscellaneous bucket so we can work on

16:21 ↗ low hanging fruit projects try and as a

16:24 ↗ city make

16:26 ↗ small improvements that make a big

16:27 ↗ difference in the

16:29 ↗ lives of the people who live and work

16:30 ↗ here nissa qua

16:32 ↗ the ada improvements project that's a

16:35 ↗ project where we upgrade curb ramps in

16:37 ↗ order to meet the requirements of the

16:39 ↗ americans with disabilities act

16:41 ↗ usually that project is done in

16:43 ↗ conjunction with the pavement management

16:45 ↗ project because

16:46 ↗ one of the requirements when you do

16:49 ↗ pavement management

16:50 ↗ and you overlay a street is that you

16:52 ↗ need to upgrade the curb ramps to meet

16:54 ↗ the modern

16:55 ↗ current ada requirements and then the

16:58 ↗ final one

16:58 ↗ is the three trails crossing project

17:02 ↗ we've got two phases for that project

17:04 ↗ the first one

17:05 ↗ is being constructed by a developer

17:07 ↗ that's going to put in

17:08 ↗ a new traffic signal and scramble

17:10 ↗ intersection this is at the location of

17:13 ↗ where the east lake samamish trail

17:17 ↗ and the rainier trail and the juniper

17:20 ↗ trail all

17:20 ↗ intersect so that's why it's called

17:22 ↗ three trails and they intersect gilman

17:25 ↗ and so like i said the the developer's

17:27 ↗ going to build

17:28 ↗ a new signal and a scramble intersection

17:31 ↗ and then

17:32 ↗ when the city has funding in a few years

17:33 ↗ we're going to come in and try and

17:35 ↗ improve

17:36 ↗ on the south side of that intersection

17:41 ↗ under the maintenance category of

17:43 ↗ projects we've got

17:44 ↗ the annual pavement management program

17:47 ↗ where we

17:48 ↗ take care of our pavement and repave our

17:50 ↗ streets

17:51 ↗ the black nugget wall that's behind fred

17:54 ↗ meyer

17:55 ↗ we need to do some maintenance repair

17:58 ↗ work on it

17:59 ↗ and so we've got that in our capital

18:01 ↗ improvement plan

18:02 ↗ our transportation improvement plan and

18:05 ↗ we have another

18:06 ↗ maintenance project to do some signal

18:09 ↗ pole painting in the highlands

18:15 ↗ so those are the projects and i want to

18:16 ↗ talk a little bit about concurrency so

18:20 ↗ for our transportation improvement plan

18:22 ↗ a portion

18:23 ↗ it's roughly about two-thirds of our

18:26 ↗ projects

18:27 ↗ are ones that are from the city's

18:29 ↗ transportation or

18:30 ↗ the city's concurrency program and what

18:33 ↗ concurrency is

18:35 ↗ is that when development happens that

18:38 ↗ the transportation improvements happen

18:40 ↗ concurrent with the development and so

18:43 ↗ there's a couple ways that can happen

18:44 ↗ that can be

18:45 ↗ the developer improves the facilities in

18:49 ↗ order to meet their concurrency

18:50 ↗ or it could mean that they pay into

18:54 ↗ pay fees to the city where within six

18:56 ↗ years the city takes that money

18:58 ↗ and then builds improvements to the

19:01 ↗ transportation system

19:03 ↗ and the

19:06 ↗ the city has what's called a simplified

19:09 ↗ concurrency

19:11 ↗ oh by the way if anyone has questions or

19:13 ↗ i lose you because concurrency is a

19:14 ↗ little bit more complicated feel free to

19:16 ↗ ask

19:17 ↗ if i go in the wrong direction so

19:20 ↗ back in about 2013 the city

19:23 ↗ came up with their our concurrency

19:26 ↗ system

19:27 ↗ and we we did a simple system where we

19:30 ↗ said that

19:33 ↗ we would look at the level of service of

19:36 ↗ intersections which is

19:38 ↗ how long of a delay a person has at an

19:40 ↗ intersection so if you get to

19:43 ↗ the intersection of the future

19:46 ↗ roundabout

19:47 ↗ at juniper and newport if it if you have

19:50 ↗ 30 seconds 31 seconds of delay

19:53 ↗ you're at level service c or d or i

19:56 ↗ forget what it is but

19:57 ↗ basically it's how long you wait at the

19:59 ↗ intersection and what the city said

20:01 ↗ is for most of our signals we're going

20:04 ↗ to call it level

20:05 ↗ service d and i forget how many seconds

20:07 ↗ of delay a few we said

20:09 ↗ could be level service e and we want to

20:12 ↗ try and keep

20:13 ↗ our traffic signals functioning at that

20:16 ↗ level

20:17 ↗ the problem with this simplified method

20:20 ↗ is

20:20 ↗ we might improve one of the traffic

20:23 ↗ signals

20:24 ↗ and really all we're doing is just

20:25 ↗ pushing the delay to the next traffic

20:27 ↗ signal

20:28 ↗ and not thinking holistically on

20:32 ↗ how are we moving people and

20:35 ↗ so some other cities like redmond have a

20:38 ↗ lot more

20:39 ↗ multimodal way of doing their

20:42 ↗ concurrency

20:44 ↗ but right now the city's current method

20:46 ↗ is that we just look at our

20:47 ↗ intersections and we look at the delay

20:51 ↗ how long it takes a car to get through

20:53 ↗ and

20:54 ↗ so then back in 2017 we did an update to

20:58 ↗ it

20:58 ↗ as a very technical the traffic engineer

21:01 ↗ did a bunch of calculations and

21:05 ↗ basically determined where we're at

21:08 ↗ delay wise with our projects

21:10 ↗ that are in the looked at the current

21:12 ↗ development that's in the pipeline and

21:15 ↗ future land use and so

21:18 ↗ as i mentioned about two-thirds of the

21:20 ↗ projects in the transportation

21:21 ↗ improvement plan

21:23 ↗ our our concurrency projects

21:26 ↗ now for the concurrency

21:30 ↗ at some point soon the city will need to

21:33 ↗ do an update

21:34 ↗ and we'll have to make a decision as a

21:37 ↗ city

21:37 ↗ do we want to revisit this work that we

21:41 ↗ did back in 2013 where we did the policy

21:43 ↗ the goals and the methodology

21:45 ↗ and trying to do something more like

21:48 ↗ what a city like redmond did or look at

21:50 ↗ other cities

21:51 ↗ or do we want to leave it where we just

21:52 ↗ look at the intersections and the

21:54 ↗ delay that a car has in the meantime

21:58 ↗ we also need to do a technical update

22:01 ↗ and so

22:03 ↗ i don't have a real clear direction to

22:05 ↗ say

22:06 ↗ yeah we're going to have time to look at

22:09 ↗ redoing our concurrency

22:10 ↗ we need to talk internally budget wise

22:13 ↗ but i just want to talk about this

22:15 ↗ as we're looking at how we come up with

22:18 ↗ projects

22:19 ↗ and how we do our concurrency and just

22:23 ↗ kind of bring the sun

22:25 ↗ your front for something that might come

22:27 ↗ or not might

22:28 ↗ it will come up in the future it'll be

22:30 ↗ brought in from the tab

22:32 ↗ and just wanted to kind of bring that to

22:34 ↗ your attention

22:37 ↗ i have a question for you john all right

22:39 ↗ yes

22:40 ↗ yeah uh you said two-thirds of the

22:42 ↗ projects are

22:43 ↗ concurrency do you mean two-thirds of

22:45 ↗ that whole long list or two-thirds of

22:48 ↗ those things that are funded in

22:49 ↗ um current years that's my first

22:52 ↗ question

22:54 ↗ it's so first of all it's it's roughly i

22:56 ↗ didn't do the math i just i saw it from

22:59 ↗ previous years it was about two-thirds

23:01 ↗ and it would be

23:02 ↗ the projects that we showed in future

23:04 ↗ years so

23:06 ↗ in the transportation improvement plan

23:08 ↗ on that one slide

23:09 ↗ i just showed the projects that we

23:11 ↗ showed in the next six years

23:13 ↗ but in the final document that will be

23:16 ↗ approved we'll show

23:17 ↗ future projects that are beyond those

23:20 ↗ ones

23:20 ↗ and it's two-thirds of all the projects

23:23 ↗ including the ones that we're not

23:25 ↗ planning on doing in the next six years

23:29 ↗ okay um my next question is how would

23:31 ↗ anyone know which ones were the

23:32 ↗ concurrency ones are they noted

23:34 ↗ in another tip in some way

23:38 ↗ no and actually that is a good question

23:41 ↗ and

23:42 ↗ i will confess as i was putting together

23:44 ↗ this slide stephen asked a very similar

23:46 ↗ thing and

23:47 ↗ i didn't have a handy list

23:51 ↗ but i think that is something that we

23:53 ↗ could label that which ones are the

23:55 ↗ concurrency projects

23:58 ↗ and that way people could see

24:02 ↗ all right thanks i'm wondering if

24:03 ↗ cynthia or tom and i also want to um

24:06 ↗ make note here in our attendance that

24:08 ↗ tom mcdonald has joined us thank you

24:10 ↗ very much tom

24:12 ↗ and uh do either of you have questions

24:14 ↗ put up your hand if you do

24:16 ↗ i don't have any questions for john at

24:18 ↗ this time i have

24:20 ↗ other questions for us in the future but

24:22 ↗ okay i'm

24:23 ↗ okay keep on listening thank you yeah

24:26 ↗ to keep moving okie dokie let's go on

24:30 ↗ john

24:30 ↗ back to you all right well the next step

24:34 ↗ for the transportation improvement plan

24:36 ↗ are

24:37 ↗ and later this month we're going to

24:40 ↗ bring the transportation improvement

24:42 ↗ plan

24:42 ↗ to council in order to approve it we

24:45 ↗ need to do a public hearing so the

24:46 ↗ public will have

24:48 ↗ opportunity to provide comments and

24:51 ↗ we're hoping to get counsel to adopt it

24:52 ↗ on september 21st

24:55 ↗ and then in january this is something i

24:58 ↗ think is really exciting

25:01 ↗ we're going to initiate the process to

25:03 ↗ incorporate

25:04 ↗ the mobility master plan into the

25:07 ↗ 2022 to 2027

25:10 ↗ transportation improvement plan and

25:14 ↗ that's a major step you you guys and

25:17 ↗ stephen and

25:18 ↗ fahren peers have done a lot of hard

25:20 ↗ work coming up with a

25:22 ↗ rating system for projects and how we

25:25 ↗ can

25:26 ↗ redo how we plan our transportation

25:29 ↗ projects and so

25:30 ↗ that's something that's going to start

25:32 ↗ in january and

25:35 ↗ as i mentioned we need to do something

25:36 ↗ about our concurrency whether it's a

25:38 ↗ technical update or a full concurrency

25:41 ↗ update

25:42 ↗ but in 2021 the city needs to start

25:45 ↗ looking at our concurrency and

25:47 ↗ do a review of it

25:50 ↗ i have a question in 2021 if we re-look

25:53 ↗ at the concurrency then what the

25:55 ↗ mobility master plan and the policies we

25:57 ↗ have in there then guide

25:59 ↗ some of the changes to projects and how

26:01 ↗ they're looked at

26:07 ↗ the quick answer would be yes because

26:11 ↗ when you read the mobility master plan

26:13 ↗ it talks about what our priorities are

26:15 ↗ and uh and this might be actually a

26:18 ↗ better question for steven to answer but

26:20 ↗ we'll be looking at it through the lens

26:22 ↗ of the mobility master plan

26:24 ↗ and the goals that the mobility master

26:27 ↗ plan has and

26:28 ↗ at least that's how i would prefer to do

26:30 ↗ it that's to say

26:32 ↗ if it's a full update if it's a

26:33 ↗ technical update then it wouldn't go to

26:36 ↗ that level

26:37 ↗ but if it's a update like we did in 2013

26:40 ↗ it definitely would

26:48 ↗ thank you cynthia go ahead i was just

26:51 ↗ gonna say that

26:52 ↗ uh not for tonight to discuss but i

26:54 ↗ think that um

26:56 ↗ what we'll want to understand is sort of

26:58 ↗ the guard rails like the

27:00 ↗ um you know the legal implications for

27:03 ↗ how

27:04 ↗ what our palette looks like what are you

27:06 ↗ know what our when we think about

27:08 ↗ currency and um

27:11 ↗ because obviously there's um a lot of

27:13 ↗ constraints around it but i think

27:16 ↗ for the advisory board we'll want to

27:17 ↗ know you know what can be changed what

27:20 ↗ um how creative can we can we be

27:23 ↗ because i yeah i think that loss

27:28 ↗ you know car only is it's probably time

27:31 ↗ to move on

27:31 ↗ get a little more sophisticated and um

27:34 ↗ but obviously concurrency carries with

27:36 ↗ it

27:36 ↗ uh legal obligations that i don't

27:37 ↗ understand and so

27:39 ↗ i'm just more speaking to steven for our

27:41 ↗ next you know when we do

27:43 ↗ tackle that we'll want to really

27:44 ↗ understand you know what what the

27:46 ↗ boundaries are

27:51 ↗ okay i'll have that for our work done

27:56 ↗ so at this point um i'm kind of looking

27:58 ↗ for general questions like

28:00 ↗ tom asked aston cynthia do you have any

28:03 ↗ other general questions about

28:05 ↗ the presentation and the tip

28:09 ↗ as a document does anybody have any

28:12 ↗ other questions about

28:14 ↗ that and then after that um

28:17 ↗ after this i want to um turn back to

28:19 ↗ stephen for

28:20 ↗ his guidance that he sent us an email

28:23 ↗ about how

28:24 ↗ we might be able to provide some

28:26 ↗ constructive feedback on

28:27 ↗ the projects in there but if there's

28:30 ↗ anything else i have one more thing

28:31 ↗ about the

28:32 ↗ um about the document on the whole

28:37 ↗ if um my turn okay yeah i don't have

28:40 ↗ anything else at this point

28:42 ↗ okay okay um here was my

28:45 ↗ my question on the whole has to do with

28:48 ↗ um when you're looking at the list

28:52 ↗ um like the first thing was is that you

28:53 ↗ can't tell which things are concurrency

28:56 ↗ so which things might be required and to

28:58 ↗ cynthia's point you know how creative

29:00 ↗ you know what is that level that level

29:01 ↗ of review and approval and then the

29:03 ↗ other has to do with um the

29:05 ↗ transportation benefit district

29:07 ↗ and um do we have is this the time to

29:10 ↗ ask

29:11 ↗ for background information on what that

29:13 ↗ is

29:14 ↗ how does that come into play if somebody

29:17 ↗ approved the tip

29:19 ↗ as it's been presented to us are they

29:22 ↗ then therefore

29:23 ↗ um supporting the development of the

29:26 ↗ transportation

29:28 ↗ benefit district with those particular

29:31 ↗ projects in it

29:39 ↗ so we as a city we have a city code that

29:43 ↗ is our transportation benefit district

29:45 ↗ and

29:46 ↗ it is a generic city part of the city

29:49 ↗ code

29:50 ↗ and it allows us

29:53 ↗ to then look at other ways of funding

29:55 ↗ our projects

29:57 ↗ and originally before covid

30:00 ↗ and a few other things we were talking

30:02 ↗ about do we want to go

30:04 ↗ ask for a use the transportation benefit

30:07 ↗ district

30:08 ↗ to go for a bond and

30:12 ↗ a number of things covid and the timing

30:14 ↗ with

30:15 ↗ a bond measure and doing the mobility

30:18 ↗ master plan

30:19 ↗ we decided not to do a

30:23 ↗ go out for a vote so by approving it

30:26 ↗ we're not changing anything to the

30:28 ↗ transportation benefit district because

30:29 ↗ the city does have

30:31 ↗ a transportation benefit district

30:33 ↗ however we don't have

30:35 ↗ revenue for the transportation benefit

30:37 ↗ district it's

30:38 ↗ mostly just lives in city code

30:42 ↗ and gives us the opportunity to look at

30:44 ↗ things like raising the sales tax

30:46 ↗ or depending on what happens with

30:49 ↗ initiative

30:50 ↗ 976 some cities have raised their card

30:52 ↗ tabs for transportation projects but

30:56 ↗ approving the tip does not change

30:57 ↗ anything with the transportation benefit

31:02 ↗ district

31:05 ↗ did that answer your question a little

31:08 ↗ bit uh

31:08 ↗ the the um

31:12 ↗ the items in the one-pager descriptions

31:17 ↗ the descriptions on pager

31:20 ↗ name particular projects

31:24 ↗ to be funded by this

31:27 ↗ this tool and so that's kind of what was

31:30 ↗ going on is that a list

31:32 ↗ and then improve approving this are you

31:34 ↗ approving that list

31:35 ↗ okay okay thank you for the that now i

31:38 ↗ understand the question a little bit

31:39 ↗ better so

31:39 ↗ i'll take a second chance at it no

31:43 ↗ so this is just a planning document

31:47 ↗ and like i said we just did a minor

31:50 ↗ update

31:50 ↗ and a lot of that was based on last

31:52 ↗ year's

31:53 ↗ uh update and where we had plan

31:57 ↗ projects that we had considered ones

31:59 ↗ that would be good for a transportation

32:00 ↗ benefit district

32:02 ↗ such as the central park signal spending

32:05 ↗ more money on the pavement management

32:07 ↗ program

32:08 ↗ and the pinch point some amish

32:13 ↗ non-motorized project so approving this

32:16 ↗ does not

32:17 ↗ approve the transportation benefit

32:19 ↗ district it does not raise taxes

32:21 ↗ all it does is says that would be a way

32:24 ↗ to pay for these projects

32:26 ↗ but in order to raise the sales tax or

32:29 ↗ raise the car tabs

32:31 ↗ that would have to go through a voting

32:33 ↗ process and

32:35 ↗ beyond just approving a transportation

32:37 ↗ improvement plan

32:46 ↗ thank you john uh for more information

32:48 ↗ there and i'm sure there will be

32:49 ↗ more um provided as this goes through

32:52 ↗ its its process that's a good

32:54 ↗ introduction though

32:55 ↗ and then stephen would it be appropriate

32:58 ↗ to bring you in

32:59 ↗ at this time to help facilitate our

33:01 ↗ conversation

33:02 ↗ and specify what sort of feedback you

33:05 ↗ were looking for

33:07 ↗ from the tab as you did in an email to

33:10 ↗ us and then i can

33:11 ↗ chime in with what sujata sent and put

33:13 ↗ that into the record

33:16 ↗ sure so um john did you have actually

33:19 ↗ before i start john do you have any

33:20 ↗ other

33:21 ↗ specific questions asked the board

33:25 ↗ no i was just wondering do you guys want

33:27 ↗ to see a specific slide or have me stop

33:29 ↗ sharing or what how would you guys like

33:35 ↗ you can go ahead and stop sharing since

33:36 ↗ we're going to move into the discussion

33:42 ↗ yeah i think we just need a little

33:44 ↗ guidance um and a little inspiration

33:47 ↗ about because don't go anywhere john

33:48 ↗ because we do have questions for you

33:50 ↗ but just a little guidance on you know

33:52 ↗ what's the scope of what you want to

33:54 ↗ hear from us

33:56 ↗ sure so for the tip um primarily what

33:59 ↗ we're looking for is

34:00 ↗ is feedback on the specific projects if

34:03 ↗ you have them

34:04 ↗ but also on the whole planning process

34:07 ↗ as a whole

34:08 ↗ um you know a lot of this even though

34:10 ↗ it's a carryover from the development of

34:12 ↗ the capital improvement plan last year

34:14 ↗ with some minor updates

34:17 ↗ do you have process

34:21 ↗ discussions should there be further

34:23 ↗ discussions on specific projects which

34:24 ↗ is

34:25 ↗ planned as part of the whole development

34:26 ↗ of the capital improvement plan next

34:27 ↗ year

34:29 ↗ which will start in january as as john

34:30 ↗ noted is there anything else that you

34:33 ↗ would like to

34:34 ↗ consider in development of the tip or

34:37 ↗ in looking at each of the projects

34:41 ↗ and then another follow-up question on

34:42 ↗ top of that is

34:44 ↗ when considering the mobility master

34:46 ↗ plan and the policies that we've

34:48 ↗ developed together

34:50 ↗ and looking at the projects do you see

34:51 ↗ anything that stands out in terms of you

34:53 ↗ know this project

34:56 ↗ doesn't necessarily fit all the guiding

34:58 ↗ principles or this project does and it

35:00 ↗ really

35:00 ↗ can captures a lot of what we've been

35:03 ↗ trying to talk about when pushing for

35:05 ↗ multimodal

35:06 ↗ transportation

35:10 ↗ does that help that's kind of a starting

35:11 ↗ point yeah yeah and then looking for

35:14 ↗ a raise of hand or somebody in the chat

35:16 ↗ from cynthia or cynthia why don't you go

35:18 ↗ ahead

35:19 ↗ so so oh go ahead tom

35:23 ↗ did you are you gonna say something tom

35:24 ↗ go ahead no go ahead cynthia okay

35:27 ↗ so um i i think you asked a couple

35:30 ↗ different questions i'm not really sure

35:31 ↗ i guess we're into discussion so i'm

35:33 ↗ just

35:33 ↗ maybe free form if that's okay um one

35:36 ↗ question i had it should be simple

35:38 ↗ um it sounds like uh tip is every year

35:41 ↗ and the cip is every other year so

35:43 ↗ uh do those minor and major updates then

35:45 ↗ um track

35:46 ↗ then are they generally for the off year

35:48 ↗ they minor and um

35:50 ↗ and the cip or their major is that

35:52 ↗ typically how it goes

35:53 ↗ yes okay that was a this is a simple

35:55 ↗ question so

35:56 ↗ um so the other thing is i don't

36:00 ↗ actually have

36:01 ↗ a response to your question about

36:04 ↗ whether um about whether the principles

36:08 ↗ and the

36:09 ↗ um the work that we did with mmp and is

36:12 ↗ there anything that jumps out is being

36:13 ↗ in conflict and

36:14 ↗ the reason is it's just kind of how my

36:16 ↗ brain works when i consume

36:17 ↗ information it's one of those things

36:19 ↗ where you know in my job we have lots of

36:21 ↗ projects and i know how every one of

36:23 ↗ those projects got onto our project list

36:25 ↗ because i've been here since the

36:27 ↗ beginning um

36:28 ↗ it's always hard to look at just a

36:31 ↗ project list

36:32 ↗ um you know cold and even though i live

36:35 ↗ here i live down to

36:36 ↗ you know these a lot of these are

36:37 ↗ impacts um but i just

36:40 ↗ i was having trouble really just diving

36:43 ↗ in it just

36:44 ↗ wasn't it was just too hard to kind of

36:46 ↗ dive in and have anything meaningful to

36:47 ↗ say

36:48 ↗ but do you have one specific question as

36:50 ↗ i'm reading through these i did

36:51 ↗ appreciate that each one had like a

36:53 ↗ summary

36:54 ↗ um and i know you can't put everything

36:56 ↗ in um

36:57 ↗ you know two-page summary might be

36:59 ↗ helpful um

37:00 ↗ i'm sure you're trying to keep it short

37:02 ↗ but like so for example the newport way

37:04 ↗ maple the sunset

37:06 ↗ on page 18 of 50 um

37:09 ↗ in the pdf that we were sent so that

37:11 ↗ that's a really useful thing but it

37:12 ↗ still doesn't tell me like

37:14 ↗ how many roundabouts and the other thing

37:16 ↗ that i couldn't quite

37:18 ↗ figure out is so it talks about the

37:20 ↗ budget

37:21 ↗ sources and funding and then uses and

37:23 ↗ costs and there's um

37:24 ↗ a huge line item in acquisition and

37:27 ↗ right-of-way

37:28 ↗ and then there's nothing in construction

37:31 ↗ so then it made me think it's not being

37:33 ↗ constructed

37:34 ↗ during that sa is it like beyond the

37:36 ↗ sixth year

37:37 ↗ the timing for that we're just trying to

37:39 ↗ figure out let's try to like guess

37:41 ↗ when these projects were going to be

37:42 ↗ implemented based on construction i

37:44 ↗ understand that you know feasibility

37:46 ↗ design you know

37:47 ↗ 30 design then you get your funding and

37:49 ↗ blah blah and i have a sense of

37:51 ↗ how those things unfold and other

37:54 ↗ capital projects but um

37:56 ↗ i was just wondering if you'd help me

37:57 ↗ read this a little better and i don't

38:02 ↗ yeah i don't have anything meaningful to

38:04 ↗ say because there's just too much to

38:05 ↗ consume at one time

38:08 ↗ so really good feedback and

38:11 ↗ would you want a broad picture

38:15 ↗ response or specific to newport wayne

38:17 ↗ maple to sunset well i was kind of

38:19 ↗ hoping that by telling me that then i

38:20 ↗ would understand oh

38:21 ↗ perfect that's going to be the easiest

38:23 ↗ to answer okay but maybe not maybe it's

38:26 ↗ unique

38:26 ↗ because i i haven't don't dive deep dive

38:29 ↗ diving

38:29 ↗ dive d i did not dive deep on each one

38:31 ↗ of these all right

38:33 ↗ well well the newport way maple to

38:35 ↗ sunset project

38:37 ↗ it's a really major project it's

38:40 ↗ construction costs

38:42 ↗ are probably going to be around 31

38:44 ↗ million dollars which is more than the

38:46 ↗ city has the ability to do

38:48 ↗ and so right now we have secured

38:52 ↗ enough funding to do the the design

38:56 ↗ okay and we've acquired some or we have

38:59 ↗ some funding to

39:00 ↗ start the right-of-way and then we're

39:03 ↗ showing

39:03 ↗ additional funding to do more

39:05 ↗ right-of-way but on this project

39:08 ↗ and this is something i i would like to

39:10 ↗ get done

39:11 ↗ as part of our future cip tip

39:14 ↗ update we need to look at how to phase

39:16 ↗ this project because

39:20 ↗ there's no way that we can do a 31

39:22 ↗ million dollar project

39:24 ↗ and on top of that the other newport way

39:26 ↗ project

39:27 ↗ is very similar in terms of dollar

39:29 ↗ figures so

39:30 ↗ then if we're looking at all the needs

39:33 ↗ of the city whether it's taking care of

39:35 ↗ the pavement

39:35 ↗ upgrading the curb ramps you run out of

39:38 ↗ money really fast

39:40 ↗ and so on this specific

39:43 ↗ project we we don't have the details

39:46 ↗ figured out but

39:47 ↗ in my mind so you said we didn't say how

39:51 ↗ many roundabouts it's three roundabouts

39:53 ↗ it's

39:54 ↗ juniper hawley and dogwood and

39:57 ↗ with traffic signals on the the two ends

40:01 ↗ and to me what makes sense is to break

40:03 ↗ this project into thirds

40:05 ↗ and to build a third

40:08 ↗ than to keep going down the line and so

40:12 ↗ as part of what i'd like to do for a

40:14 ↗ future

40:16 ↗ update is to look at the phasing of it

40:19 ↗ and make it a little bit more clear of

40:21 ↗ this is how we're going to do it in

40:24 ↗ just a little ever for your information

40:27 ↗ about this project our design

40:29 ↗ and our partial right-of-way funds they

40:32 ↗ are federally funded and there's a

40:34 ↗ little rule that says

40:36 ↗ when you have design funds you need to

40:39 ↗ begin acquiring right-of-way within 10

40:41 ↗ years of when

40:42 ↗ we were given your federal funds and

40:45 ↗ then when you're given right-of-way

40:47 ↗ funds

40:47 ↗ that are federally funded like we have

40:49 ↗ on this project you have

40:51 ↗ 20 years to be underway with

40:53 ↗ construction

40:55 ↗ so we're looking at a long project and

40:59 ↗ one that's going to be hard to finance

41:02 ↗ luckily it's one that i think can score

41:06 ↗ reasonably well when it comes to grant

41:08 ↗ funding especially because it provides a

41:10 ↗ connection to the regional growth center

41:12 ↗ which is really important

41:13 ↗ and so

41:17 ↗ so so yeah so that's helpful um

41:20 ↗ uh and so yeah i guess i am reading it

41:22 ↗ right

41:23 ↗ it's so it's uh i get it now these are

41:26 ↗ going to be obviously at all different

41:27 ↗ phases and

41:28 ↗ the construction is not funded yet but

41:30 ↗ the the project

41:31 ↗ planning and design is underway so that

41:34 ↗ that's super helpful

41:35 ↗ okay and the 31 million i think it's

41:38 ↗ just showing that's

41:39 ↗ the future budget that needs to be in

41:41 ↗ there yeah

41:42 ↗ for the construction side yeah and i i

41:45 ↗ will just a little caveat

41:48 ↗ with not knowing what you're in

41:49 ↗ construction how we would phase it

41:52 ↗ the 31 million is a very planning level

41:55 ↗ estimate

41:59 ↗ order order of magnitude yes

42:07 ↗ thank you yeah are you

42:11 ↗ giving up the floor for a moment yes

42:13 ↗ okay

42:14 ↗ tom will go to tom and and you know we

42:17 ↗ other questions might come up but i'll

42:18 ↗ move on to tom your turn

42:20 ↗ it's a good discussion actually on that

42:22 ↗ street because i've driven that road

42:23 ↗ since uh how many times a day since

42:26 ↗ 1994.

42:28 ↗ their kids went to elementary school

42:30 ↗ there so it's oh wow

42:32 ↗ i feel very familiar with it i know all

42:35 ↗ the bumps on my bike on it so i don't

42:36 ↗ know

42:37 ↗ about everything on that road um

42:42 ↗ see i had one but now actually listen to

42:45 ↗ that good discussion i can't remember

42:46 ↗ exactly what mine was so may come back

42:48 ↗ to me in a minute

42:48 ↗ so okay

42:51 ↗ uh if you want i can share what sujata

42:54 ↗ said in her

42:55 ↗ email just put it into the record and

42:58 ↗ she looked over the documentation

43:00 ↗ provided for the tip

43:01 ↗ and the one pagers are very helpful she

43:04 ↗ says the project seemed very consistent

43:06 ↗ with the vision that we had established

43:08 ↗ for our transportation future

43:10 ↗ focusing on the core non-size safety

43:13 ↗ and she was happy to see resources and

43:15 ↗ major maintenance light pole painting

43:17 ↗ pavement repair

43:18 ↗ ada improvements and some exciting large

43:20 ↗ projects that will increase the

43:22 ↗ connectivity

43:23 ↗ of existing infrastructure so those come

43:26 ↗ from the sujato goyal

43:28 ↗ and thank you sujanta if you're

43:30 ↗ listening at home

43:32 ↗ and that was the only comment that came

43:35 ↗ from a

43:36 ↗ board member outside the meeting stephen

43:38 ↗ were there any other board members who

43:40 ↗ emailed back to you who wanted to

43:41 ↗ contribute their thoughts

43:42 ↗ no okay tom has your how's your memory

43:45 ↗ doing down there you got

43:46 ↗ got something

43:51 ↗ sorry i have multiple screens and

43:52 ↗ sometimes i can't find where my mouse is

43:54 ↗ to move it over to the right screen to

43:55 ↗ unmute myself

43:57 ↗ um and so maybe this is uh just

44:01 ↗ my problem uh because i wouldn't mind

44:04 ↗ spend some time

44:06 ↗ just with all the policies and going

44:08 ↗ through each one of these projects and

44:09 ↗ kind of

44:10 ↗ reading the project look at the policy

44:12 ↗ and have a little bit more time to to

44:13 ↗ look at it

44:14 ↗ which i haven't done uh very well before

44:17 ↗ tonight and so

44:18 ↗ if i do do that is there a time that i

44:20 ↗ can

44:21 ↗ do that and be able to give feedback and

44:24 ↗ info

44:25 ↗ back which i'm assuming would have to be

44:27 ↗ in the next day or so

44:30 ↗ yes uh we're preparing the city council

44:33 ↗ materials for the tip to go to them

44:35 ↗ later in september so if you can get us

44:37 ↗ feedback in the next day or two that

44:38 ↗ would be helpful okay

44:42 ↗ and then cynthia did bring up another

44:45 ↗ good point

44:46 ↗ on feedback from the plan

44:49 ↗ not just the projects themselves and the

44:50 ↗ process but also

44:52 ↗ the formatting of the plan itself the

44:54 ↗ document if there's is

44:56 ↗ if you have suggestions on better

44:58 ↗ communicating on the projects

45:00 ↗ or something that we can put in whether

45:02 ↗ it's a statement or

45:04 ↗ changing up how the tables are formatted

45:07 ↗ that's helpful too

45:13 ↗ i think to come back to life so i can

45:15 ↗ look again but i think

45:18 ↗ what might be helpful there's a project

45:20 ↗ summary and i always like project

45:22 ↗ justification

45:23 ↗ is it possible to have project elements

45:26 ↗ i guess

45:28 ↗ i guess that's what project summary is

45:30 ↗ but uh um

45:32 ↗ i don't know why when i looked at all

45:34 ↗ these it just wasn't hard to absorb this

45:36 ↗ so

45:37 ↗ maybe i just need to spend more time

45:39 ↗ with it it was just

45:41 ↗ i guess the summary is does have the

45:44 ↗ elements what do you mean by elements

45:47 ↗ uh no i i take that back you do have

45:50 ↗ like the elements like it's three

45:51 ↗ roundabouts

45:52 ↗ it's this this that i guess you do have

45:55 ↗ that i just was having trouble

45:56 ↗ consuming all of this information all at

45:58 ↗ once i didn't do a very good

46:00 ↗ job and i was just racking my brain i

46:02 ↗ think it just takes what it takes

46:04 ↗ um i was just trying to figure out if

46:07 ↗ there was another way

46:08 ↗ to be able to communicate it but okay

46:11 ↗ i'll make one comment

46:13 ↗ if you could zoom out a tiny bit the

46:15 ↗ scale

46:16 ↗ it's too zoomed in on some of the

46:19 ↗ projects i had to go back

46:22 ↗ and maybe some um i'm kind of a map

46:26 ↗ geek some kind of something to help us

46:28 ↗ orient more

46:29 ↗ i just spent a lot of time trying to

46:30 ↗ figure out exactly where is this project

46:32 ↗ going back and forth with google

46:34 ↗ maps um i don't know i i i guess it just

46:38 ↗ takes what it takes so i'm going to stop

46:40 ↗ talking now

46:41 ↗ so are you thinking like a one page with

46:43 ↗ a map and a list of particular numbers

46:45 ↗ so we know where they are

46:46 ↗ are you thinking more of a summary of

46:48 ↗ each one of them i meant on each of the

46:50 ↗ summary

46:51 ↗ ones

46:55 ↗ it's thumbnails which is a good way to

46:58 ↗ put a lot of information in a document

47:00 ↗ but then when you try to understand a

47:02 ↗ project

47:02 ↗ it's just not enough information there's

47:05 ↗ no easy solution because it would get

47:06 ↗ too long and unwieldy if you

47:08 ↗ gave all that information i don't know

47:13 ↗ that's not very helpful i'm sorry so

47:16 ↗ i'll

47:17 ↗ follow up i'm not sure the right

47:18 ↗ procedure but i do have a follow-up

47:20 ↗ question for cynthia

47:21 ↗ would it help to have more

47:24 ↗ visuals with it like to help

47:28 ↗ with understanding what the projects are

47:32 ↗ is visually visuals are always good and

47:34 ↗ kind of before and after

47:36 ↗ like you probably have some concept

47:37 ↗ designs you know that have gone into

47:39 ↗ some of these so

47:41 ↗ um you know i'm just

47:44 ↗ trying to look at some samples um

47:48 ↗ yeah like you have a picture of the wall

47:50 ↗ i know i've driven by that wall i always

47:52 ↗ wondered who was responsible for

47:54 ↗ maintaining it

47:55 ↗ uh and so when you have a concept like

47:59 ↗ you know the the roundabouts you can

48:02 ↗ have a side by side of what we have

48:04 ↗ today and what we have i'm sure you do

48:05 ↗ that all the time what we have today and

48:07 ↗ then what the concept

48:08 ↗ would look like if you've got some kind

48:10 ↗ of concept drawings

48:13 ↗ i don't know just anything to orient me

48:14 ↗ better this one

48:21 ↗ i'd like to contribute uh something here

48:23 ↗ in that

48:25 ↗ it doesn't look like that it's in our

48:26 ↗ packet the gip

48:28 ↗ map um i don't think that was included

48:32 ↗ in our packet which is the one with the

48:33 ↗ little pink

48:35 ↗ numbers with the arrows and that might

48:37 ↗ have been helpful

48:39 ↗ as an index for the projects in any time

48:42 ↗ that you're

48:43 ↗ representing the list that's good

48:46 ↗ feedback we'll

48:47 ↗ we'll need to get that in before we go

48:49 ↗ to council

48:51 ↗ in the public hearing

48:56 ↗ cynthia you look like you're still

48:58 ↗ mulling on that you want me to go into a

48:59 ↗ couple of my ideas and then come back to

49:01 ↗ you

49:04 ↗ good there's no easy way to do what i'm

49:06 ↗ trying to do so no i've said everything

49:08 ↗ i'm done okay okay well and it's and

49:11 ↗ it's not your

49:12 ↗ last chance i'm gonna go ahead and

49:14 ↗ contribute a couple of thoughts that i

49:15 ↗ had

49:17 ↗ like sujata i wanted to point out some

49:18 ↗ of the things that i liked and that was

49:20 ↗ the bike connectivity that the gilman

49:23 ↗ improvements and the newport way

49:25 ↗ these are thoroughfares that as a

49:27 ↗ cyclist tom and i and cynthia all know

49:30 ↗ that we get uh stranded out there trying

49:32 ↗ to get just across town so

49:34 ↗ um great to have those for the

49:36 ↗ multimodal transportation not just going

49:38 ↗ for a bike ride but actually trying to

49:40 ↗ get somewhere

49:41 ↗ i think those are critical i'm glad to

49:43 ↗ see them prioritized on the list

49:46 ↗ um i had a question about three trails

49:49 ↗ and

49:49 ↗ and sorry if i get too nerdy about it

49:51 ↗ but um

49:53 ↗ the it was part of the development

49:54 ↗ agreement and part of the

49:56 ↗ of those properties like you said john

49:58 ↗ um that

50:00 ↗ these guys were going to create this

50:02 ↗ thing for us but

50:04 ↗ really it looks like just this little

50:06 ↗ teeny part

50:07 ↗ is what they're paying for and then we

50:09 ↗ have to pay for this big

50:10 ↗ part why did it seem like we were going

50:12 ↗ to get something

50:14 ↗ out of that development agreement which

50:15 ↗ would fix that crossing there why does

50:17 ↗ it look so much more expensive than i

50:19 ↗ than i thought it was going to be to us

50:23 ↗ okay i'll take my my best guess or best

50:27 ↗ response to this i will confess this

50:29 ↗ isn't one of the projects i know as well

50:31 ↗ as some of the other ones

50:32 ↗ and a lot of the costs that would be on

50:36 ↗ included in that project are what we

50:39 ↗ would need to do to the streets

50:41 ↗ on that side so the developer is going

50:43 ↗ to put in the new

50:44 ↗ signal and mark it to be a scramble

50:47 ↗ enter

50:48 ↗ or scramble crosswalk but where

50:52 ↗ i believe it's rainier and juniper

50:54 ↗ intersect

50:55 ↗ with gilman it's kind of a not kind of

50:58 ↗ it is a weird intersection and i avoid

51:01 ↗ it because it's really hard to

51:04 ↗ who's going how do you get through there

51:06 ↗ and

51:07 ↗ so that's the part that this project has

51:10 ↗ that the development agreement project

51:12 ↗ did not have

51:16 ↗ i have to have that's one of my favorite

51:17 ↗ intersections because it gives me a

51:19 ↗ feeling of like uh

51:20 ↗ like an east coast town that's been

51:22 ↗ there for 500 years it's been a horrible

51:23 ↗ intersection for the last 300 years

51:26 ↗ but indeed i think it has or at least

51:28 ↗ three effects are kind of a

51:30 ↗ cut way but it is kind of dangerous when

51:31 ↗ you go from gilman into it and then take

51:34 ↗ veneer because that's how i normally

51:35 ↗ come back and take the back

51:37 ↗ routes back home that i avoid and

51:39 ↗ straight up notice

51:41 ↗ the last couple years there are a lot

51:42 ↗ more people that will go through the

51:43 ↗ light take a right at the gas station

51:45 ↗ between the gas station the us bank

51:47 ↗ come over to winter avenue and then take

51:49 ↗ a right and try and go for the next one

51:50 ↗ and go back into

51:52 ↗ the front street or they'll go down the

51:55 ↗ other way

51:56 ↗ and cut down by the library and realize

51:57 ↗ they can't take a left there

51:59 ↗ in fact i was yeah i had a guy trying to

52:03 ↗ pass me at rainer avenue because i was

52:04 ↗ going too slow on it

52:05 ↗ trying to do the clock wow but that

52:08 ↗ intersection is kind of a tricky whether

52:09 ↗ you

52:10 ↗ keep that there because there's two

52:11 ↗ other routes that come from that road

52:13 ↗ that you can come back to the

52:14 ↗ neighborhood so you're trying to

52:16 ↗ um i forget name that other street

52:20 ↗ tie into it so it's um

52:24 ↗ yeah okay it's a tricky

52:27 ↗ tricky intersection

52:33 ↗ is if if the developer is paying for

52:35 ↗ that

52:36 ↗ improvement of the signal that's right

52:37 ↗ that that intersection are they're not

52:40 ↗ including the whole remake of that

52:41 ↗ intersection or is that part of what

52:43 ↗ city of escort would do but those two

52:46 ↗ the developer funds

52:48 ↗ develop along raider avenue to pay into

52:50 ↗ it

52:51 ↗ to fix it

52:56 ↗ what was that tom sorry what was the

52:59 ↗ question or

52:59 ↗ the statement i think i guess it's kind

53:01 ↗ of a question too i guess is kind of

53:03 ↗ asking what uh nina was asking as far as

53:06 ↗ um if they're just paying for the signal

53:09 ↗ is there that many street improvements

53:11 ↗ that have to go along with that

53:12 ↗ yes visco would have to cover as opposed

53:14 ↗ to

53:15 ↗ develop recovering that are tied into

53:18 ↗ that signal

53:20 ↗ so the the current sig the

53:23 ↗ the current phase that will build this

53:24 ↗ signal we're not doing any of the street

53:27 ↗ improvements

53:28 ↗ besides what the developer's doing so

53:30 ↗ the developer is

53:32 ↗ rebuilding the curb ramps and doing the

53:36 ↗ signal

53:37 ↗ redoing the pavement markings on the

53:39 ↗ inside of the intersection to mark the

53:40 ↗ scramble

53:42 ↗ okay and i it's been a few months since

53:44 ↗ i've looked at the plans to see what

53:45 ↗ else

53:46 ↗ they're doing but the stuff that's south

53:49 ↗ the the unique intersection

53:53 ↗ that's the future stuff

53:58 ↗ okay okay well it's a it's another good

54:02 ↗ project

54:03 ↗ uh but i'm gonna segue if i can from

54:06 ↗ that to another project

54:08 ↗ yes it's in this theme in that

54:11 ↗ you know here we thought oh gosh we got

54:13 ↗ this developer's gonna pay for the

54:14 ↗ scramble

54:15 ↗ and then no it's gonna cost us so much

54:18 ↗ more

54:19 ↗ to get that and the other one i bring up

54:22 ↗ in that context that seems like that

54:24 ↗ sort of thing to me

54:25 ↗ is the central park the central park

54:28 ↗ crossing

54:29 ↗ um we we put a bond issue out to

54:32 ↗ increase

54:33 ↗ the use and capacity of central park

54:36 ↗ which then creates an even more

54:38 ↗ dangerous situation for pedestrians and

54:40 ↗ kids

54:40 ↗ volume and cars and all that so now we

54:43 ↗ have to put out another bond

54:45 ↗ to pay for the road improvements that

54:48 ↗ are caused by

54:48 ↗ another bond that increase the capacity

54:51 ↗ beyond its ability

54:52 ↗ um just frustrating to think that that

54:55 ↗ has to go

54:56 ↗ to a bond issue um

54:59 ↗ it's like we created we created our own

55:03 ↗ uh transportation safety debt by

55:06 ↗ increasing the capacity of that park um

55:09 ↗ i don't know that's more of a comment

55:10 ↗ than a question but i would let you come

55:13 ↗ uh respond if you'd like to

55:17 ↗ good comment had much to add to it

55:22 ↗ okay let's leave it there but it's you

55:24 ↗ know it's absolutely necessary

55:25 ↗ so i'm glad she's on the list okay my um

55:28 ↗ my last uh

55:29 ↗ project that i wanted to talk about or

55:31 ↗ ask about

55:32 ↗ is the i-90 crossing and we have this

55:35 ↗ all

55:35 ↗ laid out we've got this thing this

55:37 ↗ connectivity but

55:39 ↗ how much planning can we do on that uh

55:41 ↗ when we don't know where

55:42 ↗ uh sound transit rail station might go

55:44 ↗ and

55:45 ↗ um how this crossing design and

55:49 ↗ everything

55:50 ↗ um can can it's just too

55:54 ↗ woven with a project that is a couple

55:57 ↗ decades even further out

55:59 ↗ how do we how do we avoid interference

56:02 ↗ there

56:03 ↗ that is absolutely spot on and

56:07 ↗ this was a project originally we were

56:09 ↗ going to

56:10 ↗ spend 50 000 in 2021

56:14 ↗ and 25 000 in 2022

56:18 ↗ working on doing concept work for that

56:22 ↗ project and applying for a grant and

56:24 ↗ trying to

56:25 ↗ eventually design it but as we're

56:28 ↗ talking about how to put this together

56:30 ↗ and thinking

56:33 ↗ how does this interact with light rail

56:36 ↗ for this particular spot i have so many

56:39 ↗ questions

56:40 ↗ that we just we still show it in there

56:42 ↗ because

56:43 ↗ it's this is a concurrency project i i

56:46 ↗ can tell you that

56:48 ↗ and but the questions i have are

56:53 ↗ okay what happens to the concurrency

56:54 ↗ model if we don't build it what happens

56:56 ↗ to the concurrency model

56:58 ↗ if we have it so we have two i-90

57:00 ↗ crossings

57:02 ↗ ones in the future years once in the

57:04 ↗ current next six years one's a

57:06 ↗ pedestrian crossing one's a vehicle

57:08 ↗ crossing

57:09 ↗ where did the each of them go what

57:12 ↗ happens if we don't build the vehicle

57:14 ↗ crossing

57:15 ↗ other things i've wondered what if the

57:17 ↗ vehicle crossing were just a bus

57:18 ↗ crossing

57:19 ↗ how would it tie into the light rail i

57:21 ↗ would hate for us to

57:23 ↗ design and build a vehicle crossing

57:27 ↗ and then sound transit comes there and

57:30 ↗ then we've got all these pedestrians and

57:32 ↗ bikes dropping off

57:33 ↗ or not by bikes our buses dropping off

57:35 ↗ people

57:36 ↗ and then we've got people driving

57:38 ↗ through and it doesn't work well and

57:40 ↗ so as i look at that those two crossings

57:43 ↗ the pedestrian one

57:44 ↗ and the vehicle crossing thinking about

57:47 ↗ where light rail might go

57:48 ↗ chances are it's going to be somewhere

57:50 ↗ in the regional growth center

57:52 ↗ of course we'll have to go through all

57:53 ↗ the studies i wouldn't be surprised if

57:55 ↗ it's pretty close to costco

57:57 ↗ just taking the guess i'm getting ahead

58:00 ↗ of myself but just

58:01 ↗ how does that whole picture fit with

58:04 ↗ trying to move people and

58:09 ↗ not wanting to get ahead and

58:12 ↗ build a vehicle crossing right where we

58:16 ↗ think the light rail station should be

58:17 ↗ in

58:18 ↗ there's a lot of work to be done and a

58:20 ↗ lot of planning and thinking

58:22 ↗ that need to be done

58:28 ↗ yeah so when you take this to

58:31 ↗ council i would appreciate

58:34 ↗ that and maybe cynthia and tom could not

58:38 ↗ or shake their heads

58:39 ↗ whether they concur that this should be

58:42 ↗ uh

58:42 ↗ a light should be shown upon this when

58:44 ↗ the city council

58:46 ↗ you guys both agree with that i would

58:48 ↗ say yes and it kind of looks like it's

58:49 ↗ just maintaining the coordination and

58:51 ↗ planning with

58:52 ↗ the transportation sound transit

58:54 ↗ everything as

58:56 ↗ kind of developing it's really kind of

58:58 ↗ making sure we're keeping up with

59:00 ↗ with the changes i'm not sure where the

59:02 ↗ 500 000 comes to twenty four but the

59:04 ↗ probably started with more of a study

59:06 ↗ but i think the money's there

59:08 ↗ because you need to keep the

59:09 ↗ coordination going

59:11 ↗ whatever's going to happen down the road

59:13 ↗ [Music]

59:15 ↗ okay that there's an emphasis from that

59:17 ↗ so let me ask you a question then since

59:19 ↗ you

59:19 ↗ just said john that it was a concurrency

59:21 ↗ project

59:22 ↗ the um initial stages are all in

59:26 ↗ oh let me see i'm sorry to look at it

59:28 ↗ again here

59:30 ↗ uh fifty thousand five hundred thousand

59:33 ↗ a million

59:33 ↗ you know when you get five years from

59:35 ↗ now and then there's the future years

59:37 ↗ eighty million dollars so when you say

59:40 ↗ concurrency i'm thinking that we're

59:42 ↗ charging impact fees

59:43 ↗ to cover the cost of this thing how much

59:46 ↗ of the cost of this

59:47 ↗ 81 almost 82 million dollar project

59:50 ↗ is covered with concurrency fees

59:57 ↗ without knowing the answer not 80

1:00:00 ↗ million dollars

1:00:02 ↗ i i really don't know

1:00:07 ↗ and

1:00:11 ↗ i i'd also have to look at how that

1:00:13 ↗ estimate was developed

1:00:15 ↗ i i have more questions than i have

1:00:18 ↗ answers on that project

1:00:20 ↗ to be very frank but at this time i

1:00:23 ↗ would think though

1:00:24 ↗ on something that big we would apply for

1:00:26 ↗ everything from fta grants fhwa grants

1:00:29 ↗ things like that to

1:00:30 ↗ combine it between city multimodal

1:00:33 ↗ development

1:00:34 ↗ but that's not all going to be city

1:00:36 ↗ funds for that right no

1:00:38 ↗ this is one that would be really good

1:00:40 ↗ for getting federal

1:00:42 ↗ funds because of the impact that it

1:00:44 ↗ would have to the region

1:00:47 ↗ and uh in response to your comment on in

1:00:50 ↗ terms of like coordination with where

1:00:51 ↗ trans is gonna go i mean

1:00:53 ↗ uh tom you're right we would we would be

1:00:55 ↗ looking for

1:00:56 ↗ fda grants if there's going to be

1:00:59 ↗ meeting coordination with

1:01:00 ↗ light rail um if a light rail station

1:01:02 ↗ goes right there because that

1:01:03 ↗ that increases the opportunities for us

1:01:05 ↗ to apply for different grants

1:01:07 ↗ if we're able to coordinate with all

1:01:09 ↗ that we just don't know the answer on

1:01:11 ↗ light rail yet um which will be coming

1:01:13 ↗ in the next couple of years

1:01:17 ↗ yeah so for me i think what i'm looking

1:01:19 ↗ at in that one

1:01:21 ↗ is that in 2022 we have some what look

1:01:25 ↗ like design

1:01:26 ↗ um investments and i wouldn't want to

1:01:30 ↗ embark on those until we knew more about

1:01:32 ↗ where

1:01:32 ↗ light rail was going and also don't want

1:01:34 ↗ to um

1:01:36 ↗ commit to a burden

1:01:40 ↗ in an area where sound transit might be

1:01:42 ↗ taking on

1:01:43 ↗ a financial burden and it doesn't need

1:01:46 ↗ to be ours

1:01:47 ↗ um if concurrency is saying we just need

1:01:49 ↗ one more crossing somewhere

1:01:52 ↗ then i wouldn't put it where somebody

1:01:55 ↗ else might be providing

1:01:57 ↗ access at least in the multimodal way

1:02:00 ↗ you know a rail station might

1:02:02 ↗ need to provide ped bike access

1:02:06 ↗ which would then duplicate this thing

1:02:08 ↗ that we're trying to do

1:02:09 ↗ somewhere going across i-90 anyway so

1:02:12 ↗ that that would

1:02:13 ↗ i think i think we're all in agreement

1:02:15 ↗ that um

1:02:17 ↗ that project needs more time and

1:02:20 ↗ evaluation

1:02:22 ↗ in in

1:02:25 ↗ collaboration with what happens with

1:02:27 ↗ sound transit

1:02:29 ↗ okay that was the last item on my list

1:02:31 ↗ that i wanted to give feedback on

1:02:34 ↗ projects in the tip cynthia and tom do

1:02:37 ↗ you have any other

1:02:38 ↗ comments or questions that you'd like to

1:02:40 ↗ ask

1:02:42 ↗ not at this time

1:02:46 ↗ okay uh stephen is there anything else

1:02:48 ↗ you'd like to discuss on this item on

1:02:50 ↗ our agenda

1:02:53 ↗ no i don't believe so john do you have

1:02:55 ↗ the feedback that you're looking for

1:02:57 ↗ yes i really appreciate it thank you

1:03:00 ↗ everyone

1:03:02 ↗ good okay stephen then uh we can go on

1:03:04 ↗ to the uh master mobility plan update

1:03:07 ↗ uh report from you sure thing just give

1:03:11 ↗ me one second

1:03:12 ↗ to put my slides

1:03:16 ↗ this and this will be fairly quick it's

1:03:18 ↗ it's just a

1:03:19 ↗ quick follow-up from the last

1:03:21 ↗ presentation i gave to

1:03:23 ↗ to you all at our last meeting

1:03:29 ↗ let me know once you can see my screen

1:03:43 ↗ okay am i there all right so just to

1:03:46 ↗ update the schedule

1:03:47 ↗ um we're going to city council next week

1:03:49 ↗ to present the mobility master plan

1:03:51 ↗ we'll be going to the planning policy

1:03:53 ↗ commission to also give them opportunity

1:03:55 ↗ to review and provide feedback

1:03:56 ↗ on a mobility master plan prior to

1:04:00 ↗ the public hearing in october

1:04:04 ↗ and then my plan is to bring back the

1:04:07 ↗ mobility mesh plans for the

1:04:08 ↗ transportation advisory board

1:04:10 ↗ before it goes on to the next uh city

1:04:13 ↗ council study session november

1:04:15 ↗ and and but also in october we'll start

1:04:16 ↗ talking or start discussions on our

1:04:19 ↗ 2021 work plan and all the items that

1:04:21 ↗ will be taken on in 2021 as well

1:04:24 ↗ and then in december we'll move on to

1:04:26 ↗ the adoption process as

1:04:27 ↗ for the mmp as part of the full comp

1:04:30 ↗ plan update

1:04:33 ↗ are there any questions before i on this

1:04:34 ↗ schedule

1:04:38 ↗ cynthia tom either of you have questions

1:04:40 ↗ raise your hand or

1:04:42 ↗ chime in they're just two of us i have a

1:04:44 ↗ question

1:04:46 ↗ i don't know it's really a question so

1:04:47 ↗ um

1:04:49 ↗ the work plan for 2021

1:04:52 ↗ that's the tabs work plan correct

1:04:55 ↗ can we make sure that council i know

1:04:58 ↗ i've said this before i'm a little bit

1:04:59 ↗ like a broken record but

1:05:00 ↗ we'll make sure we have a discussion

1:05:02 ↗ about that just to make sure that

1:05:04 ↗ they are setting our work plan since

1:05:07 ↗ we're advising them i want to know what

1:05:09 ↗ they want advice on

1:05:12 ↗ yes uh this this will be kind of our

1:05:14 ↗ initial discussions

1:05:16 ↗ to but to start kind of putting together

1:05:19 ↗ a draft but we will

1:05:20 ↗ consult with the mayor and city council

1:05:22 ↗ on work plan for 2021 as well

1:05:30 ↗ do you have a question about schedule no

1:05:32 ↗ i'm i actually was doing a

1:05:34 ↗ step so i can keep it i'm looking

1:05:36 ↗ reading it on the other screen

1:05:38 ↗ um no i don't

1:05:43 ↗ okay i i have a question stephen back to

1:05:46 ↗ that slide please

1:05:48 ↗ the um when we last saw

1:05:52 ↗ the mmp it was a july 23rd

1:05:55 ↗ revision uh and is there

1:05:59 ↗ when it goes on september 8th is it

1:06:01 ↗ going to be a

1:06:02 ↗ new version or at what stages will there

1:06:06 ↗ be

1:06:06 ↗ a revised version of the mmp as it goes

1:06:09 ↗ through this process

1:06:10 ↗ yes so it'll be a revised version

1:06:12 ↗ that'll be going to city council

1:06:14 ↗ on the 8th and we're going through

1:06:18 ↗ the uh approved process with the

1:06:20 ↗ administration right now once that's

1:06:21 ↗ released i'll be sending that out to

1:06:23 ↗ all the tab members review and then um

1:06:27 ↗ kind of giving comments on what what to

1:06:29 ↗ look for in

1:06:30 ↗ the materials for that's going to city

1:06:31 ↗ council and then the same materials are

1:06:34 ↗ going to be going to

1:06:35 ↗ the planning policy commission for

1:06:36 ↗ september 10th for discussion

1:06:38 ↗ and then it will come back to the tab in

1:06:40 ↗ in october when we eventually schedule

1:06:42 ↗ our meeting in october

1:06:44 ↗ okay so in october is when we look and

1:06:46 ↗ see if the planning

1:06:47 ↗ commission had any comments on what we

1:06:49 ↗ have right absolutely

1:06:51 ↗ yeah so i'm not going to be making any

1:06:54 ↗ final revisions to the mmp

1:06:57 ↗ um and sending it to council um without

1:07:00 ↗ talking to

1:07:00 ↗ the board first okay i'm sorry stephen

1:07:04 ↗ you're saying you're going to send us

1:07:06 ↗ another version and ask for our comments

1:07:09 ↗ or feedback before the september 8th

1:07:11 ↗ meeting which is next no no

1:07:14 ↗ i think he's reviewing the planning

1:07:15 ↗ commission addressing any planning

1:07:17 ↗ commission

1:07:18 ↗ comments correct yeah and that's what

1:07:20 ↗ we'll discuss in

1:07:21 ↗ october okay okay

1:07:25 ↗ great okay continue thank you okay

1:07:31 ↗ so what's next um a lot of what's

1:07:34 ↗ outlined in the implementation portion

1:07:35 ↗ of the mmp we're going to be

1:07:37 ↗ making several policy updates in the

1:07:39 ↗ next year or two

1:07:40 ↗ the complete streets policy which you've

1:07:42 ↗ seen we'll bring that to council have a

1:07:44 ↗ discussion on

1:07:45 ↗ making an update to that that policy uh

1:07:48 ↗ we're going to be bringing the crossing

1:07:49 ↗ guidelines to city council to have

1:07:51 ↗ discussion let them know what type of

1:07:53 ↗ updates are going to be

1:07:55 ↗ going into the street standards as part

1:07:57 ↗ of what we're looking for in the mmp

1:07:59 ↗ in terms of improving safety we'll be

1:08:03 ↗ taking another look at the traffic

1:08:04 ↗ calming policy and our process

1:08:06 ↗ for implementing traffic calming

1:08:08 ↗ projects probably

1:08:10 ↗ later in 2021 um but i mean

1:08:13 ↗ one of the bigger i think items we have

1:08:16 ↗ in 2021 is going to be taking

1:08:19 ↗ a very in-depth look at the cip and how

1:08:22 ↗ to incorporate the mmp

1:08:24 ↗ in that entire into the capital

1:08:26 ↗ improvement plan

1:08:27 ↗ um and then in the future and it may be

1:08:29 ↗ 2021 and maybe 2022

1:08:31 ↗ taking a look at transit and also

1:08:34 ↗ concurrency

1:08:35 ↗ right now i don't have firm graphs on

1:08:38 ↗ one will be able to do that but that is

1:08:40 ↗ something that needs to happen soon

1:08:44 ↗ soon in the next year or two okay

1:08:49 ↗ any questions on what's coming next

1:08:52 ↗ i have a question go ahead cynthia how

1:08:54 ↗ are we going to do

1:08:55 ↗ those into 2020 um

1:08:59 ↗ are we just going to introduce to those

1:09:00 ↗ in 2020

1:09:02 ↗ so we've already had a lot of

1:09:04 ↗ discussions on those two items the

1:09:05 ↗ complete streets policy and the crossing

1:09:07 ↗ guidelines

1:09:08 ↗ this is more of a kind of a combination

1:09:11 ↗ of what's next for the mmp but also

1:09:13 ↗ what to look forward to for the tab in

1:09:16 ↗ 2021.

1:09:17 ↗ um i should have been more clear on that

1:09:19 ↗ so the policy

1:09:21 ↗ the complete streets policy and the

1:09:22 ↗ crossing guidelines updates that we've

1:09:24 ↗ already discussed that's when we're

1:09:26 ↗ planning to bring that to city council

1:09:28 ↗ at the end of this year

1:09:29 ↗ um and then in 2021 we'll have more

1:09:32 ↗ discussions with city council

1:09:34 ↗ on the traffic coming policy and more

1:09:37 ↗ discussions with the tab

1:09:38 ↗ on street standards and the capital

1:09:40 ↗ group

1:09:43 ↗ does that help answer your question it

1:09:45 ↗ does i sure wish i could remember where

1:09:47 ↗ we netted do you have some sort of

1:09:49 ↗ summary of yeah

1:09:52 ↗ for the complete streets policy i just

1:09:55 ↗ having trouble keeping track of

1:09:56 ↗ everything

1:09:57 ↗ i just um to my

1:10:00 ↗ impressions cynthia i think what you're

1:10:01 ↗ getting at is that i don't remember us

1:10:04 ↗ blessing a version of the constraints

1:10:07 ↗ complete streets policy is saying oh

1:10:09 ↗ yeah this is great please send this on

1:10:11 ↗ i i know we talked about it several

1:10:12 ↗ times and you were listening and taking

1:10:14 ↗ our feedback but i don't remember

1:10:16 ↗ getting to a point where saying

1:10:18 ↗ hey here it is uh okay

1:10:21 ↗ would it be helpful if i brought that

1:10:23 ↗ into our october meeting then

1:10:25 ↗ if we've got time um yeah

1:10:28 ↗ and then crossing guidelines those

1:10:31 ↗ aren't policy those are

1:10:33 ↗ um those go somewhere else right it's a

1:10:36 ↗ combination of policies

1:10:37 ↗ as well as uh engineering standards um

1:10:40 ↗ so there are policies kind of built into

1:10:43 ↗ our engineering standards and our street

1:10:45 ↗ standards

1:10:46 ↗ but we want to make sure we have

1:10:47 ↗ discussion with city council let them

1:10:49 ↗ know what kind of updates we're making

1:10:51 ↗ before we make them

1:10:53 ↗ yeah but we want to really say on the

1:10:55 ↗ crossing guidelines if

1:10:56 ↗ there's a project if it's going to

1:10:58 ↗ incorporate those it's just going to

1:10:59 ↗ incorporate those

1:11:00 ↗ within that project though i would think

1:11:03 ↗ could you say that one more time tom i

1:11:06 ↗ don't think we have

1:11:07 ↗ a lot of say on the guidelines because

1:11:09 ↗ if there's a project

1:11:10 ↗ going to touch something that's going to

1:11:12 ↗ affect it's going to incorporate that

1:11:14 ↗ crossing into whatever the plan is

1:11:16 ↗ based on the guidelines that's dictating

1:11:19 ↗ here's where you should be doing the

1:11:20 ↗ cross scenes

1:11:22 ↗ yeah well yes and no so some of the

1:11:25 ↗ policies that we had discussed as part

1:11:27 ↗ of the crossing guidelines

1:11:28 ↗ did talk about you know the type of

1:11:31 ↗ improvements we want to make and

1:11:32 ↗ locations that we want to make them all

1:11:34 ↗ the types of locations

1:11:35 ↗ yeah but how we you know how we do that

1:11:38 ↗ when we do that

1:11:39 ↗ is is not really the part that we're

1:11:41 ↗ going to be discussing it's more of

1:11:43 ↗ you know what's appropriate in which

1:11:45 ↗ areas

1:11:48 ↗ okay okay

1:11:54 ↗ cynthia did that cover what you wanted

1:11:55 ↗ to come that makes sense yeah yes i

1:11:57 ↗ think

1:11:57 ↗ nina you uh you get me and i think i'm

1:12:00 ↗ always just

1:12:01 ↗ assuming that i'm missed something

1:12:04 ↗ because i have a brain like a sieve at

1:12:07 ↗ times but um

1:12:08 ↗ yeah so i think you kind of hit the nail

1:12:10 ↗ on the head so thank you

1:12:14 ↗ and and to help kind of clear up um the

1:12:17 ↗ last time we had

1:12:19 ↗ talked about those two was back in

1:12:22 ↗ february i believe when i brought the

1:12:25 ↗ final version to the tab

1:12:29 ↗ to make one more version before taking

1:12:31 ↗ it to the city council

1:12:32 ↗ but we ended up not being able to take

1:12:33 ↗ it to city council after february as

1:12:36 ↗ uh pandemic so um i guess is bring it up

1:12:39 ↗ and then you do bring a good point i

1:12:41 ↗ should

1:12:41 ↗ bring this back up to the board um

1:12:44 ↗ before bringing it to city council

1:12:47 ↗ excellent but i think before covid oh

1:12:50 ↗ are you kidding

1:12:51 ↗ me i can remember that

1:12:55 ↗ i don't know okay what else is on the

1:12:57 ↗ agenda stephen i think we're

1:12:59 ↗ getting our time we've got the chair

1:13:02 ↗ report staff report in the youth report

1:13:04 ↗ the um chair does not have a report does

1:13:07 ↗ the vice chair have a report

1:13:09 ↗ co-chair

1:13:14 ↗ no stephen do you um do you have a

1:13:16 ↗ report uh

1:13:18 ↗ a really quick report just staffing

1:13:20 ↗ updates we

1:13:21 ↗ had uh we're having interviews for the

1:13:24 ↗ translation manager this week

1:13:27 ↗ um that should get decided

1:13:30 ↗ hopefully next week and we so we should

1:13:33 ↗ be here something either next week or

1:13:34 ↗ the week after that

1:13:36 ↗ um public works director recruitment was

1:13:38 ↗ just posted

1:13:40 ↗ um for the job description and so we're

1:13:43 ↗ taking applications through september i

1:13:45 ↗ believe we'll be looking for interviews

1:13:47 ↗ in

1:13:48 ↗ either october or november and hopefully

1:13:50 ↗ have someone a new public works director

1:13:52 ↗ on board by the end of this year

1:13:57 ↗ and then the only other staffing update

1:13:59 ↗ i can and provide is

1:14:00 ↗ the streetery is still continuing strong

1:14:03 ↗ we're still receiving a lot of great

1:14:05 ↗ feedback on that um

1:14:07 ↗ the last weekend at the moment is

1:14:09 ↗ through the end of september so

1:14:11 ↗ i think september 27th is the last

1:14:15 ↗ day um but

1:14:19 ↗ because of the pandemic where we're

1:14:22 ↗ starting to take a look at how can we

1:14:24 ↗ either extend or use the concept of this

1:14:26 ↗ jewelry in the fall

1:14:28 ↗ and winter and so we're kind of

1:14:29 ↗ exploring those ideas and it may not be

1:14:31 ↗ you know just run the streetery through

1:14:33 ↗ january it might just be

1:14:35 ↗ we use the same idea so that

1:14:38 ↗ outdoor cd can be provided in certain

1:14:40 ↗ areas either at certain times or all the

1:14:42 ↗ time

1:14:49 ↗ well i think that's all we have on our

1:14:52 ↗ agenda

1:14:54 ↗ anything else from cynthia orton before

1:14:56 ↗ we

1:14:58 ↗ close the other thing would be to

1:15:00 ↗ announce our next meeting which is in

1:15:02 ↗ october but we don't have a date yet is

1:15:05 ↗ that right stephen and how will you go

1:15:06 ↗ about setting a date

1:15:07 ↗ i'll be reaching out to all the board

1:15:09 ↗ members to figure out when the best time

1:15:11 ↗ is

1:15:11 ↗ whether it's going to be um i'd like to

1:15:14 ↗ do it in mid

1:15:15 ↗ october just so i have enough time to

1:15:18 ↗ prepare for the november study session

1:15:19 ↗ with city council

1:15:20 ↗ um so i'll reach out with i'll reach out

1:15:23 ↗ to the board members uh to figure out

1:15:24 ↗ the best date

1:15:26 ↗ be like october 13th or 20th

1:15:32 ↗ what's the night of the week that we

1:15:34 ↗ always meet tuesday that's uh

1:15:38 ↗ tuesday and thursdays or well

1:15:41 ↗ so yeah if it was a regular meeting it

1:15:44 ↗ would be the 27th

1:15:47 ↗ earlier than that so yeah i'm hoping to

1:15:49 ↗ get it earlier and

1:15:51 ↗ um so yeah it would be the 13th 14th or

1:15:53 ↗ 15th at the moment

1:15:54 ↗ um but i still have to check with the

1:15:56 ↗ city clerk

1:15:57 ↗ excellent thanks tom

1:16:00 ↗ standing meeting on the third you have a

1:16:03 ↗ standing meeting on the 13th the second

1:16:05 ↗ tuesday of every month yeah

1:16:06 ↗ okay so i'll aim for the i'll ask about

1:16:08 ↗ the 14th and the 15th

1:16:10 ↗ sounds good unless you all want to tell

1:16:11 ↗ me that right now

1:16:13 ↗ those sound good so far i've got my

1:16:15 ↗ calendar yeah

1:16:16 ↗ okay okay great in that case

1:16:20 ↗ i am going to adjourn this

1:16:23 ↗ meeting at 7 27 of the transportation

1:16:26 ↗ advisory board

1:16:28 ↗ and uh thank john who popped off the

1:16:30 ↗ screen before i all got to thank him

1:16:32 ↗ for his presentation tonight thank you

1:16:34 ↗ cynthia anton for

1:16:35 ↗ coming and stephen for the good meeting

1:16:38 ↗ thank you

1:16:38 ↗ great thank you everyone hi guys thank

1:16:40 ↗ you so much

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Council / Members (3)

Cynthia Krass

Tom McDonald

Nina Milligan

Staff (2)

Stephen Padua, Senior Transportation Planner

John Mortenson, Senior Transportation Engineer

Excused

Sujata Goel

Marisol Visser

Kobi Sunday, Youth Position

Madeline Yeh