Transportation Advisory Board – Special Meeting · Wednesday, May 29, 2019 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Board Membership

packet pp.3

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Staff report:

Transportation Advisory Board About Created in 2017, this board — yet to be Staff Liaison initiated — will provide additional expertise and Stephen Padua, advice on the City’s transportation system and Senior Transportation Manager goals. Email Membership Regular Members The Transportation Advisory Board will be 2020 – Cynthia Krass comprised of nine regular members, and up to 2020 – Kyle Ochs three alternates. Initial terms will be staggered. 2021 – Tom McDonald All members are appointed by the Mayor and 2021 – Nina Milligan subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms 2021 – Kobi Sunday* expire April 30 of the year listed. For more 2022 – Sujata Goel information, see IMC 2.92. 2022 – Stephanie Salemann 2023 – AJ McGauley 2023 – Marisol Visser

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Mobility Master Plan Update

Director · 45 min · Stephen Padua, Senior Transportation Planner Kurt Seeman, Transportation Manager Sheldon Lynne, Public Works Engineering · packet pp.5–14

Topics: Transportation

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Policy Updates

Discussion · 40 min · Stephen Padua, Senior Transportation Planner Kurt Seeman, Transportation Manager · packet pp.15–28

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4. REPORTS

Staff Report

Chair Report

Youth Report

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0:27 ↗ this is the may 29 a meeting of the

0:30 ↗ transportation Advisory Board

0:32 ↗ my name is 9a Milligan I'm the vice

0:33 ↗ chair sitting in for chairman AJ

0:36 ↗ McCauley who is unable to join us this

0:39 ↗ evening but we have a full evening of

0:41 ↗ presentations from the staff tonight and

0:44 ↗ we'll have a couple more members coming

0:45 ↗ in but we thought we'd better get

0:47 ↗ started first I'm Colin meaning to order

0:51 ↗ now at 6:09 and our first order of

0:57 ↗ business might have been minutes but we

1:00 ↗ don't have any minutes to review this

1:01 ↗ evening I'll just give you a heads up

1:02 ↗ that we'll have two minutes to review

1:05 ↗ and approve next time we meet and then

1:09 ↗ the next item on our agenda is public

1:11 ↗ comments and I wonder if there's anybody

1:14 ↗ in public comments no public comments

1:16 ↗ this evening so we can go straight into

1:17 ↗ our agenda items the first of which is

1:19 ↗ the master mobility Plan Update and the

1:21 ↗ second is the policy updates and at this

1:24 ↗ time I'll turn it over to our staff of

1:27 ↗ from Public Works Steven Padua Thank You

1:31 ↗ Steven hi how's everybody doing get my

1:38 ↗ presentation up

1:49 ↗ all right can everybody hear me all

1:52 ↗ right now all right

1:57 ↗ so tonight I'm gonna give a update on

2:02 ↗ the mobility and master plan and and

2:04 ↗ talk about all those steps that we've

2:06 ↗ been taking to move the project forward

2:08 ↗ but also talk about some of the outreach

2:10 ↗ that we've been conducting in the month

2:11 ↗ of May and then also some of the

2:13 ↗ engagement that we're having with staff

2:15 ↗ because not only is this a big process

2:18 ↗ with the community but it's also a big

2:20 ↗ process with staff to educate staff on

2:24 ↗ new issues related to translation but

2:26 ↗ also how staff can better coordinate on

2:28 ↗ big projects and just as a reminder the

2:33 ↗ purpose of mobility master plan is to

2:35 ↗ create a long-range planning document

2:38 ↗ that consolidates all the city's

2:43 ↗ policies related to transportation to

2:45 ↗ give clear guidance to staff but also

2:48 ↗ the community on how we want to shape

2:50 ↗ the transportation system for future

2:52 ↗ City and in terms of our schedule you

2:58 ↗ have the schedules in front of you but

3:00 ↗ we are kind of in that transition phase

3:02 ↗ between the second and third phase of

3:05 ↗ this project where we are talking about

3:07 ↗ the guiding principles and the

3:10 ↗ priorities for transportation and now

3:12 ↗ looking at how to look at or looking at

3:15 ↗ policies programs and projects and

3:17 ↗ defining how the city should reshape the

3:21 ↗ transportation system

3:26 ↗ so as you can see we we've done a lot in

3:29 ↗ the month of May we hit up both of the

3:31 ↗ big transit centers we talked to a lot

3:34 ↗ of the transit riders as they're rushing

3:36 ↗ for the bus or waiting for the bus and

3:38 ↗ and handed out flyers to each of them

3:41 ↗ and in hopes of actually getting them to

3:43 ↗ fill out the survey online as their wait

3:46 ↗ either waiting for the bus or on the bus

3:48 ↗ and we found actually big spikes

3:50 ↗ probably 5060 people after every

3:53 ↗ attendance of each of the transit

3:55 ↗ centers which is pretty good at each of

3:57 ↗ them we had in probably close to 150

3:59 ↗ flyers but that's actually a good return

4:01 ↗ when you're considering all the people

4:04 ↗ that are just tossing the flyers once

4:06 ↗ they get to work we also went to the

4:09 ↗ farmers market which is the top right

4:11 ↗ picture is we went and handed out flyers

4:13 ↗ and and had people fill out a big poster

4:16 ↗ board with the activity sheet with a lot

4:18 ↗ of those same questions that are on the

4:20 ↗ online survey and talk to people about a

4:22 ↗ lot of the major projects as well as

4:24 ↗ what this plan does for the city and and

4:26 ↗ one of the interesting things that staff

4:29 ↗ would probably summarize around that

4:31 ↗ event is the majority of people that we

4:33 ↗ talked to didn't live in the city is

4:34 ↗ qualm also more Sammamish residents that

4:36 ↗ were going to the is koala farmers

4:38 ↗ market which was we thought was actually

4:40 ↗ really interesting and that was actually

4:42 ↗ consistent with a lot of the events that

4:44 ↗ we attended on this list a lot of the

4:48 ↗ people are coming from other cities too

4:49 ↗ is coiffeur a lot of the resources that

4:51 ↗ are in the city and I think that's going

4:53 ↗ to be an important aspect or element

4:56 ↗ that we'll need to consider as we're

4:57 ↗ putting this plan together this morning

5:01 ↗ went to the food and clothing bank and

5:03 ↗ talked to people handed out the survey a

5:06 ↗ few weeks ago we went to the kids rodeo

5:08 ↗ and spoke to families about how they

5:10 ↗ feel riding bikes or walking in the city

5:13 ↗ and and a lot of the feedback that we

5:16 ↗ got from the families was they just

5:18 ↗ don't feel safe going beyond their own

5:20 ↗ neighborhood and so they feel

5:22 ↗ disconnected from the rest of the city

5:24 ↗ and their feel forced to actually drive

5:26 ↗ their cars and then we've connected with

5:31 ↗ a lot of different community groups

5:32 ↗ we've sent out email blasts of about the

5:35 ↗ survey and the work that we're doing and

5:36 ↗ then we also been posting on social

5:38 ↗ media with a lot of these events that

5:39 ↗ we've been going

5:40 ↗ to let people know that that we're gonna

5:41 ↗ be there but also they can come talk to

5:43 ↗ us if they're available and then another

5:49 ↗ another event that we went to was

5:50 ↗ there's an English as a second language

5:52 ↗ class up in the highlands that we went

5:55 ↗ and spoke to a lot of the the students

5:58 ↗ in that class about issues they have

6:00 ↗ with being able to travel with in

6:03 ↗ Issaquah and we learned very similar

6:06 ↗ aspects as the the farmers market the

6:08 ↗ majority of the people in the class

6:09 ↗ actually were Sammamish residents they

6:11 ↗ were coming down to is a call because

6:14 ↗ they couldn't get the same resources in

6:16 ↗ their own City

6:25 ↗ and from this online survey itself one

6:29 ↗ of the big things that we're learning is

6:31 ↗ the three top principles that people are

6:35 ↗ supporting is improved mobility within a

6:37 ↗ prepare for growth and better

6:40 ↗ connect is called with the region with

6:42 ↗ closely behind promote environmental

6:44 ↗ sustainable model for transportation and

6:47 ↗ then the biggest issues that people

6:49 ↗ experience with the transportation

6:50 ↗ system is there aren't enough options to

6:53 ↗ get around and the available options

6:55 ↗ that they do have don't necessarily work

6:59 ↗ because of where they work or where they

7:00 ↗ live and that is from everybody that

7:03 ↗ staff has talked to I couldn't

7:05 ↗ consistent with all the feedback we've

7:07 ↗ been hearing not just from the survey

7:10 ↗ itself a couple of things that kind of

7:16 ↗ highlight from the online survey is

7:17 ↗ about 30% of the people that have filled

7:20 ↗ out the survey live outside of Sukhois

7:24 ↗ 55% of the people who fellow the survey

7:26 ↗ work outside of and on the other

7:29 ↗ end

7:29 ↗ 17% sent work in Issaquah and so this

7:33 ↗ there's a big disparity of people who

7:36 ↗ don't live and work in Issaquah that are

7:38 ↗ actually giving feedback on

7:39 ↗ transportation and expressing major

7:41 ↗ issues with being able to get around how

7:45 ↗ we're gonna be using the feedback is one

7:48 ↗ the direct feedback to the to the

7:50 ↗ guiding principles are going to help us

7:52 ↗ create a ranking of the guiding

7:53 ↗ principles which will help our

7:54 ↗ discussions later on either next month

7:58 ↗ or in July when we start start talking

8:01 ↗ about project criteria and also to start

8:04 ↗ talking about different performance

8:06 ↗ metrics that we'll use to help gauge how

8:09 ↗ we're doing down the line and then the

8:13 ↗ additional feedback that we receive will

8:16 ↗ also help our transition to the next

8:18 ↗ phase which is looking at the policies

8:20 ↗ project projects and programs for

8:24 ↗ example a lot of the feedback that we're

8:25 ↗ hearing is there's not enough transit

8:28 ↗ options and so the staff and the

8:31 ↗ consultant are going to take a look at

8:33 ↗ proposing policies or potential projects

8:35 ↗ to either boost reliability and service

8:39 ↗ the trans

8:39 ↗ serviced or worked with King County

8:41 ↗ Metro odd new projects to bring

8:43 ↗ additional transit services to the area

8:48 ↗ are they any questions before I move on

8:50 ↗ on the engagement part okay so on the

8:56 ↗ staff end of things

8:57 ↗ we've had several workshops with

9:00 ↗ consultant to work through some of the

9:01 ↗ topics that were being addressed in the

9:04 ↗ master plan we also had several tours we

9:07 ↗ visited the city of Kirkland and met

9:10 ↗ with some of their transportation staff

9:12 ↗ to talk about major projects in the city

9:14 ↗ of Kirkland as well as how they're

9:16 ↗ coordinating with their master plan

9:18 ↗ their version of the master plan as well

9:20 ↗ as coordinating with their land use

9:22 ↗ development Kirkland is like a lot of

9:26 ↗ the Eastside cities there's one of the

9:27 ↗ cities that are experienced a huge

9:29 ↗ amount of growth and even with having

9:32 ↗ policies and plans in place they're

9:35 ↗ still struggling to keep up and so it's

9:37 ↗ it's that's actually something that

9:38 ↗ we're hearing from all the cities when

9:41 ↗ we met with the city of Redmond and ina

9:43 ↗ pleased you were there you can please

9:45 ↗ add in your perspective from the tour we

9:49 ↗ talked with staff about all all the

9:51 ↗ plans that they use and and how

9:53 ↗ consistent they've been able to do or

9:55 ↗ how how can since they've been able to

9:57 ↗ stay with the plan as well as make

10:00 ↗ slight changes to the plan to fit how

10:02 ↗ the community is is adapting to the new

10:05 ↗ transportation system I don't know if

10:08 ↗ you have anything else that you want to

10:10 ↗ summarize from that well there was so

10:13 ↗ much that we learned but I would like to

10:14 ↗ share with the rest of the board

10:16 ↗ how how emphasized it was to get out in

10:21 ↗ front of the forces that be around us

10:25 ↗ not the least being Sound Transit and

10:28 ↗ light rail and that we are on schedule

10:31 ↗ we're not I believe at all early but we

10:35 ↗ need to do that get this work done

10:37 ↗ expediently so that we can let the rest

10:39 ↗ of the region know what it is that it's

10:41 ↗ important to us and that we have some

10:44 ↗ independence and making those decisions

10:45 ↗ now and I was really grateful for that

10:48 ↗ advice yeah one of the big takeaways

10:51 ↗ from staff is that

10:52 ↗ they each of the C's have kind of

10:55 ↗ established who they are in the

10:57 ↗ translation plans that they have and

11:02 ↗ throughout the years they've been able

11:05 ↗ to build a big support system with the

11:07 ↗ community as well as building regional

11:09 ↗ partnerships to help support what their

11:11 ↗ plan is is planned for and the type of

11:15 ↗ system that they wanted to have

11:17 ↗ established in the next 20-30 years and

11:19 ↗ it's been helpful but at the same time

11:21 ↗ they've still had to make changes to

11:23 ↗ what their plans have identified twenty

11:26 ↗ years ago so for the next phase we're

11:35 ↗ gonna be looking closely at policies

11:37 ↗ programs and projects and the way it'll

11:40 ↗ work is staff is gonna work with our

11:42 ↗ consultant to look through every the

11:44 ↗ different elements of the transportation

11:46 ↗ system what's in our transportation

11:48 ↗ element of the comprehensive plan and

11:50 ↗ look at new policies that align with the

11:53 ↗ guiding principles and what we'll do is

11:56 ↗ we're gonna bring a lot of those

11:57 ↗ policies programs and projects to the

12:01 ↗ tab at future meetings and talk through

12:04 ↗ whether or not something needs to be

12:07 ↗ changed or if actually we're meeting the

12:09 ↗ bill of what the guiding principles are

12:10 ↗ calling for and what we wanted to do is

12:14 ↗ talk - there seems to be some confusion

12:16 ↗ on the difference between a lot of

12:18 ↗ things and and rightfully so there's a

12:21 ↗ lot of overlap between what policies

12:23 ↗ programs and projects and other items we

12:27 ↗ will call standards and guidelines and

12:28 ↗ plans and and the biggest thing we just

12:33 ↗ wanted to run through some examples and

12:35 ↗ then take any questions on the

12:37 ↗ difference between a lot of them for the

12:39 ↗ example of policies well we have let's

12:42 ↗ say a street trees policy is for

12:45 ↗ specific corridors you have to install a

12:48 ↗ certain number of street trees a certain

12:50 ↗ width apart that is a policy we also

12:54 ↗ have a policy that we have we require

12:57 ↗ when a corridor is built or rebuilt that

12:59 ↗ a sidewalk is established on one side of

13:02 ↗ the street or both sides of street

13:03 ↗ depending on where the street is that

13:05 ↗ as a policy a program example is we have

13:09 ↗ a school pool program that's a

13:10 ↗ combination of multiple different

13:12 ↗ projects coming together of finding new

13:16 ↗ ways for students to get to school we

13:19 ↗ also have the city's restriping program

13:22 ↗ where we go to different streets to

13:25 ↗ maintain the remark or the markings on

13:28 ↗ the roadway

13:29 ↗ for projects we it could be any size

13:33 ↗ when we talk about projects it could be

13:35 ↗ the new newly redesigned Newport

13:37 ↗ corridor project or it could be a

13:40 ↗ smaller restriped maintenance or curb

13:45 ↗ update so putting in a new curb ramp

13:49 ↗ when we're talking about guidelines we

13:55 ↗ we don't always have policies or

13:57 ↗ standards that fit every situation so

14:00 ↗ guidelines are usually established when

14:02 ↗ to be have that flexibility of well when

14:05 ↗ a is in place you want to do X Y & Z and

14:09 ↗ so that is particularly where what

14:13 ↗ guidelines the type of guidelines that

14:15 ↗ we have and how we use them and then for

14:18 ↗ standards it's very specific of if you

14:20 ↗ have a road you need it needs to be this

14:22 ↗ wide and have these elements to it when

14:25 ↗ you build it and then for plans it is

14:28 ↗ really about putting together different

14:33 ↗ elements of how do you achieve a certain

14:35 ↗ vision and established in that vision

14:36 ↗ with the community are they any

14:42 ↗ questions before we move on okay

14:48 ↗ one of the questions that 9i and AJ

14:52 ↗ wanted us to talk about is why we always

14:56 ↗ have separate policies and the reason

14:59 ↗ for that is a lot of them need to be

15:00 ↗ clear and you can't have a policy on

15:04 ↗ street chee trees and bio filtration

15:08 ↗ systems all in one policy because it

15:10 ↗ just gets a little jumbled up and so

15:12 ↗ that's the reason why we're gonna be

15:14 ↗ looking at policies very specifically

15:16 ↗ and separately and not as one giant

15:19 ↗ policy now I'm gonna go to policy

15:33 ↗ project updates and for this

15:35 ↗ presentation this one is gonna we're

15:39 ↗ gonna walk through what each of the

15:40 ↗ policies are and I'm hoping to get

15:42 ↗ questions from you so we can talk

15:43 ↗ through and address any confusion around

15:47 ↗ because they are a little confusing and

15:50 ↗ then Sheldon's gonna help me give a

15:51 ↗ little bit of history on each of the

15:52 ↗ policies because he's been here longer

15:55 ↗ than I have so he can talk about more of

15:57 ↗ how they've been used or not used and

15:59 ↗ and probably help answer some of your

16:01 ↗ questions so three the main policies

16:11 ↗ that we're gonna be also working on this

16:12 ↗ year parallel with the mobility master

16:15 ↗ plan is our Complete Streets policy the

16:17 ↗ crossing guidelines and our traffic

16:19 ↗ traffic calming policy these are three

16:23 ↗ big policies that have been highlighted

16:25 ↗ by staff in the past that need to be

16:27 ↗ updated and we wanted to do we wanted to

16:30 ↗ get started on the mobility master plan

16:31 ↗ process and establish with those guiding

16:33 ↗ principles before getting started on

16:36 ↗ these policy updates

16:44 ↗ and in line with the schedule that you

16:47 ↗ have the the idea is is it's it's a

16:51 ↗ little flexible from what's in front of

16:53 ↗ you we wanted to start everything as

16:54 ↗ we're transitioning to this next phase

16:56 ↗ of the master plan but we're good really

16:58 ↗ going to be working on it for the next

16:59 ↗ year and it's not something that we're

17:01 ↗ wanting to work on now and figure out

17:03 ↗ now it's something where we're kind of

17:05 ↗ work through as we work through the

17:06 ↗ master plan I know I have a question

17:09 ↗ maybe you just said it and I wasn't

17:11 ↗ listening I was maybe reading how you

17:13 ↗ talk about these as three separate

17:14 ↗ policies will these be part of master

17:18 ↗ mobility plan are they going to remain

17:21 ↗ separate they will remain separate so

17:25 ↗ they're they're separate policies that

17:27 ↗ will be consistent with the mobility

17:30 ↗ master plan but they are separate from

17:31 ↗ the master plan itself

17:41 ↗ so our Complete Streets policy the

17:49 ↗ easiest way I wanted to describe what

17:51 ↗ the Complete Streets policy is was take

17:53 ↗ some language from this national

17:55 ↗ organization called Smart Growth America

17:56 ↗ they rate

17:59 ↗ Complete Streets policies throughout the

18:01 ↗ nation and rank them and provide

18:03 ↗ guidance on how to improve the policy

18:05 ↗ and what the policy does is it gives it

18:08 ↗ tells staff to routine routinely design

18:12 ↗ and operate the entire right of way to

18:17 ↗ be able to provide access for all users

18:20 ↗ and that is kind of the broadest

18:23 ↗ definition of the term of what the

18:25 ↗ Complete Streets policy does for us more

18:28 ↗ specifically it is more contact

18:31 ↗ sensitive so it's not oh it's not to go

18:35 ↗ every street and say we need to provide

18:36 ↗ sidewalk bike lanes and travel lanes and

18:39 ↗ bus lanes on every corridor it is we

18:43 ↗ need to look at each corridor uniquely

18:46 ↗ and think about what makes sense for our

18:49 ↗ transportation system the idea with a

18:53 ↗ good policy is that it improves equity

18:55 ↗ safety and public health and that for

18:58 ↗ every jurisdiction it's going to be

19:00 ↗ different so every city has at least but

19:02 ↗ most cities and Washington's they have

19:04 ↗ Complete Streets policies they all use

19:06 ↗ different language saying the same thing

19:12 ↗ this is our Complete Streets policy it's

19:16 ↗ this one sentence in comparison city of

19:20 ↗ Bellevue has probably I think it was

19:23 ↗ five or six pages of a Complete Streets

19:26 ↗ policy with multiple exceptions more

19:29 ↗ guidance on what goals we want to

19:30 ↗ accomplish more specifics of

19:32 ↗ methodologies we want they want to use

19:34 ↗ to achieve those goals and and the

19:38 ↗ different aspects of Complete Streets

19:39 ↗ and more guidance to staff of how to use

19:42 ↗ the policy itself as well part of the

19:47 ↗ reason why we wanted to update and then

19:50 ↗ shell that if you

19:54 ↗ if you can kind of describe a little bit

19:57 ↗ of the history of how the city has used

19:58 ↗ the policy so title 12.10 the Complete

20:05 ↗ Streets policy has been it was developed

20:09 ↗ because back in 2007 8 we were seeing

20:14 ↗ some facilities being constructed

20:16 ↗ without accommodating the bicycles and

20:18 ↗ pedestrian facilities and so while a

20:22 ↗ basic Complete Streets policy focused on

20:25 ↗ those two facilities the council from

20:27 ↗ that point forward created a line item

20:31 ↗ in the budget annually called Complete

20:33 ↗ Streets which that just identified that

20:37 ↗ we were to focus on non motorized type

20:39 ↗ of facilities and gave the

20:42 ↗ administration a certain amount of money

20:43 ↗ annually to try and do some relatively

20:46 ↗ inexpensive improvements to those two

20:49 ↗ modes of mobility Complete Streets is

20:52 ↗ really a policy it's a philosophy it's

20:54 ↗ not really a line item in a budget so

20:56 ↗ we're trying to get away from the

20:58 ↗ budgetary term Complete Streets and and

21:01 ↗ focus in more on a more global look at

21:06 ↗ how we spend that money towards all

21:08 ↗ users and so what this is this is really

21:10 ↗ an update to a very basic rudimentary

21:14 ↗ policy that as Steven alluded to with

21:18 ↗ the National Organization to focus on

21:21 ↗ all users of the right away not just

21:22 ↗ bikes and peds so it would include

21:25 ↗ transit and other elements of traffic

21:28 ↗ mobility as well well first of all does

21:33 ↗ anyone have a question about this

21:38 ↗ did you say that the organization rates

21:41 ↗ cities do you happen to know what the

21:44 ↗ rating is for our city our ranking was

21:47 ↗ twenty three point eight out of a

21:50 ↗ hundred not great and most most of the

21:55 ↗ points that we got was for the

21:58 ↗ exceptions that I didn't include on here

22:00 ↗ which is basically exceptions to the

22:05 ↗ rule situations where

22:06 ↗ this wouldn't apply thank you I'm not do

22:12 ↗ you know when that was taken into

22:14 ↗ account and if it has been re-evaluated

22:17 ↗ since they do an evaluation every two

22:20 ↗ years the ranking that I saw was from

22:23 ↗ 2016 and 2018 they did it ranking but I

22:27 ↗ couldn't find our ranking Bailey

22:29 ↗ they only listed the top 10 I have a

22:38 ↗ question and a comment first comment was

22:41 ↗ something that you just said the

22:43 ↗ exceptions we spend a few more words on

22:45 ↗ exceptions than we do on the policy if

22:47 ↗ you're talking about this mm-hmm

22:49 ↗ Sheldon to your comment about budgeting

22:54 ↗ does the Complete Streets policy impact

23:00 ↗ the obligation of developers to include

23:04 ↗ these things there isn't always a city

23:05 ↗ budget burden to fulfill them policies

23:10 ↗ objectives know the developer is

23:15 ↗ responsible to also build in accordance

23:18 ↗ with the city's policies it doesn't fall

23:20 ↗ to the city to do with the developers

23:22 ↗ responsible to do its the budget then

23:25 ↗ for retrofit or fixing older roads that

23:30 ↗ are not having new development on them

23:31 ↗ to bring them up to great or what is

23:33 ↗ that was the part of the budget part

23:35 ↗ historically the budget has been used

23:36 ↗ for you know small projects like there's

23:40 ↗ a missing link in a sidewalk or there's

23:44 ↗ a crossing that needs to be improved

23:45 ↗ their their mobility focused we've also

23:48 ↗ done some restring of roadways to narrow

23:51 ↗ up lanes provide for bike lanes things

23:54 ↗ like that that are relatively

23:55 ↗ inexpensive that's what the city has

23:56 ↗ been doing with its money and with the

24:02 ↗ with the creation of the ad a

24:04 ↗ transitional plan and so forth now that

24:07 ↗ money is also being used towards that

24:09 ↗ element of mobility because that's an

24:11 ↗ extremely important piece that you know

24:13 ↗ we've been missing over the years so

24:14 ↗ there's a number of things that are

24:16 ↗ transitioning us away from calling it

24:18 ↗ Complete Streets in the budget

24:20 ↗ to a more holistic viewpoint that's all

24:25 ↗ I have anything else yes go ahead

24:28 ↗ Stephen back to you and then as I'm

24:30 ↗ walking through each of these policies

24:32 ↗ if you have feedback on what you would

24:35 ↗ like it to look like I know this is all

24:38 ↗ very much new and will ask that question

24:40 ↗ again but if you have anything we are

24:43 ↗ accepting that now too because that'll

24:44 ↗ help us as we're talking about the

24:47 ↗ policies and kind of drafting them to

24:49 ↗ kind of have that in mind as we're

24:51 ↗ looking through this

24:52 ↗ well let's pause for a moment then and

24:54 ↗ look around and see if as you read about

24:56 ↗ the Complete Streets policy

24:58 ↗ did you already think were you inspired

25:01 ↗ or its some desire well I've been you to

25:04 ↗ have something different you mean this

25:08 ↗ poems policy you have any feedback for

25:09 ↗ them well I'm assuming that we're being

25:12 ↗ introduced to the idea of updating this

25:15 ↗ policy and that we'll be walking through

25:16 ↗ what that looks like so it's kind of

25:18 ↗ holding my comments on that content but

25:20 ↗ I but those sort of waiting this is it

25:23 ↗ though right

25:24 ↗ this is the current policy right now

25:26 ↗ this is what's getting updated he's

25:28 ↗ going to get some I was waiting until I

25:32 ↗ heard everything you had to say before

25:33 ↗ because I'm assuming that the some

25:35 ↗ groundwork is being laid for what it

25:37 ↗ should be looking like and then I was

25:39 ↗ gonna laugh cuz of course I have lots of

25:41 ↗ opinions about this but I was kind of

25:43 ↗ waiting to see whether you're gonna

25:44 ↗ introduce where it is heading before I

25:46 ↗ comment it do you have anything more to

25:48 ↗ say about this is it a blank slate at

25:50 ↗ this point we're at a blanks though

25:51 ↗ right now

25:52 ↗ we yeah good so I have a couple things

26:00 ↗ one is I mean I think this is a great

26:02 ↗ start honestly because non-motorized is

26:05 ↗ primarily bikes and peds and it's great

26:08 ↗ to even you know make that statement

26:11 ↗ obviously it's a bit thin and not very

26:14 ↗ specific but a couple things I mean I

26:19 ↗ shelled in you mentioned adding transit

26:21 ↗ obviously really making sure we're

26:22 ↗ eating our brains and make you know to

26:24 ↗ make sure we understand you know all the

26:26 ↗ different modes that we need to be

26:27 ↗ considering practically the other thing

26:29 ↗ is is that bikes have always been

26:33 ↗ much more of a mixed bag than they

26:36 ↗ always appear in a policy there's people

26:38 ↗ riding fast there's people riding slow

26:39 ↗ there's people learning to ride their

26:40 ↗ bike they're people riding to school or

26:42 ↗ not riding to school and I think it's

26:43 ↗ even more complicated with and there's

26:46 ↗ really really big safety implications

26:47 ↗ for whether somebody's using a sidewalk

26:49 ↗ or somebody using a bike lane and with

26:51 ↗ ebikes it's also changing so you might

26:54 ↗ have somebody going as fast as an

26:56 ↗ experienced cyclists but they don't have

27:00 ↗ the confidence they might be using the

27:01 ↗ you know the sidewalks and that creates

27:03 ↗ a tremendous safety issue with how you

27:05 ↗ enter a crosswalk so I just want to make

27:07 ↗ sure that we're when we expand like who

27:10 ↗ we mean that we need them to be complete

27:13 ↗ for that we're understanding all the

27:15 ↗ different dynamics so that's really

27:16 ↗ important the other thing is and maybe

27:18 ↗ this is elementary but I know that there

27:22 ↗ was a time in planning theory when

27:24 ↗ Complete Streets meant a space for

27:27 ↗ everybody and suddenly it took five

27:28 ↗ minutes to cross the street and if

27:30 ↗ you've ever driven in you know like Oh

27:33 ↗ some places in California some of these

27:35 ↗ suburban play I mean it's you know it's

27:38 ↗ a long way and so I assume that we've

27:40 ↗ learned those lessons and you know you

27:42 ↗ said maybe you narrow street so you can

27:44 ↗ fit a bike lane that sort of thing I'd

27:47 ↗ love to see us pushing that direction

27:49 ↗ where there's more integration and a not

27:51 ↗ bigger footprint I think that's a

27:53 ↗ important make sure we're up to speed on

27:56 ↗ the latest thinking in that because

27:59 ↗ there was I think a I think a wrong

28:01 ↗ direction that Complete Streets took but

28:03 ↗ that maybe nobody does that anymore I

28:05 ↗ don't know if you've ever been to some

28:07 ↗ of those places it's pretty crazy so

28:09 ↗ those were just some of the opening

28:10 ↗ comments and then yeah I have I guess

28:14 ↗ I'm also just started wondering what the

28:15 ↗ teeth is in this because and then

28:19 ↗ there's other facilities that Issaquah

28:21 ↗ has influence over but does an own State

28:24 ↗ you know the crossing of the yeah

28:27 ↗ especially the one that I'm particularly

28:28 ↗ interested at exit 18 which is it just a

28:31 ↗ terrible intersection when you're trying

28:34 ↗ to ride your bike or walk across there

28:36 ↗ so I guess I'm just sort of wondering

28:39 ↗ what it means to be included in the

28:41 ↗ planning I think we should elaborate on

28:42 ↗ that

28:47 ↗ and all that yeah yeah very good thank

28:52 ↗ you Cynthia when you're ready I'm gonna

28:54 ↗ go to Kobe yeah go ahead

28:56 ↗ so I just had a I just had a question on

28:59 ↗ what was the other city you mentioned

29:00 ↗ that had like five or six pages four

29:02 ↗ dedicates this city of Bellevue you

29:05 ↗ happen to know off the top of your head

29:06 ↗ what that is so obviously this is I

29:08 ↗ would say a good start but I wouldn't

29:10 ↗ say this is comprehensive I'm assuming

29:11 ↗ the five to six page is a lot more

29:12 ↗ comprehensive yeah what did they what

29:15 ↗ else did they include that we didn't

29:16 ↗ include in this they specifically

29:18 ↗ designed who all the users are and all

29:20 ↗ the different modes and and so they went

29:23 ↗ very comprehensive in terms of for

29:26 ↗ bicyclists these were the different

29:27 ↗ types of users we're trying to consider

29:29 ↗ for transit these are the type of user

29:31 ↗ so a really expanded what the

29:34 ↗ definitions were for everybody that uses

29:36 ↗ the the right-of-way so when we're

29:39 ↗ talking about updating this plan are we

29:41 ↗ looking to do something similar to that

29:42 ↗ where we very comprehensively define

29:45 ↗ everything get it to like that five or

29:46 ↗ six page length I wouldn't say that

29:49 ↗ we're aiming for the five to six page

29:50 ↗ length no like I said before each policy

29:55 ↗ is unique to each city and we're not

29:59 ↗ improving this to get a better ranking

30:01 ↗ we're improving this to make it more

30:02 ↗ useful for us to get to better achieve a

30:06 ↗ lot of what we're trying to do in the

30:07 ↗ mobility master plan and so it might be

30:10 ↗ five to six pages but it might just be

30:12 ↗ two to three pages it might be two pages

30:14 ↗ so it it really comes down to does it

30:16 ↗ really meet what we the staff and the

30:20 ↗ tri-state advisory board are comfortable

30:21 ↗ with of what a Complete Streets policy

30:23 ↗ will do for us is that that's your

30:26 ↗ question okay thank you

30:28 ↗ anyone else that's me I thank you

30:34 ↗ Cynthia for your comments plus one on

30:36 ↗ those and and you and about the multiple

30:41 ↗ users and the different kinds and to

30:43 ↗ consider them but I had also been

30:45 ↗ thinking about the word should in here

30:48 ↗ which is easy to not enforce if it

30:52 ↗ doesn't seem that important white and

30:54 ↗ just say should

30:55 ↗ if I think it's more important than that

30:57 ↗ and then we spend a lot of time talking

31:00 ↗ about the exceptions about when you're

31:01 ↗ not going to do it but we never talk

31:03 ↗ about or I don't see where where you are

31:06 ↗ going to do it when are you going to do

31:09 ↗ it and that was kind of my question

31:10 ↗ about development if I don't see

31:13 ↗ something here that says that when a

31:15 ↗ certain amount of redevelopment happens

31:17 ↗ near a transportation corridor then

31:20 ↗ something must be upgraded

31:23 ↗ maybe that's somewhere else but some

31:26 ↗ sort of language that triggers when this

31:29 ↗ sort of thing is going to happen would

31:31 ↗ be nice okay anything else on Complete

31:38 ↗ Streets from you guys I just have a

31:47 ↗ question to clarify are we focusing this

31:50 ↗ on main arterials and anything going you

31:55 ↗ know up to maybe residential streets

31:57 ↗ where you know aside from coldest acts

32:00 ↗ or are we just looking at every street

32:04 ↗ that could be impacted in the city it'll

32:07 ↗ be every Street impacted in this so our

32:09 ↗ full transportation network though how

32:12 ↗ we'll look at residential streets is

32:14 ↗ probably gonna be different how we'll

32:15 ↗ look at the different levels of

32:16 ↗ arterioles and is it important for us to

32:19 ↗ call that out in when we're stating this

32:23 ↗ you know that you know main arterioles

32:25 ↗ are obviously going to be a focus for

32:28 ↗ every possible option for a

32:30 ↗ transportation versus residential we're

32:32 ↗ thinking a little bit more along you

32:33 ↗ know do we have to worry about kids

32:35 ↗ getting to school on a bike or you know

32:37 ↗ less vehicles but other modes of

32:39 ↗ transportation being used more often - -

32:42 ↗ and tantor both your questions Nana or

32:44 ↗ kind of respond to your comment and

32:46 ↗ answer that question having more

32:47 ↗ language specific to that how we're

32:49 ↗ gonna how we the goals we want to handle

32:52 ↗ each of the different types of streets

32:54 ↗ helps with having that teeth for Java

32:56 ↗ development review but also a staff

32:59 ↗ review of each of the corridors

33:04 ↗ anything else Stephanie no thank you man

33:07 ↗ so do you have them no pretty good we're

33:11 ↗ all good thank you great feedback thank

33:13 ↗ you on to the next policy so that we

33:19 ↗ have the city has crossing guidelines

33:22 ↗ that were adopted back in 2008 that

33:25 ↗ define all of define all of our policies

33:30 ↗ related to crossing so specifically

33:34 ↗ where crossings go whether we mark them

33:36 ↗ with crosswalks the what type of

33:37 ↗ treatments we add to those crosswalks

33:40 ↗ what do we do with controlled vers

33:44 ↗ uncontrolled locations and I'll talk a

33:46 ↗ little bit more about what all that it

33:48 ↗ means and then also what our device

33:50 ↗ design standards and development review

33:52 ↗ standards are related to the crossings

33:54 ↗ and so that's where we have a little

33:56 ↗ more teeth on well where crossings go

33:59 ↗ and what goes in but being that this was

34:01 ↗ adopted ten years ago our standards are

34:05 ↗ a little behind and so we want to update

34:08 ↗ a lot of those standards you know it's a

34:10 ↗ lot more technical than policy but we

34:14 ↗ are actually having those discussions of

34:16 ↗ the policies to be more specific on

34:19 ↗ where the where crossings will go

34:22 ↗ what type of crossings will go on how

34:23 ↗ frequent one thing to note with all

34:32 ↗ crossings and a lot of how we control

34:35 ↗ the roadway we have to follow federal

34:37 ↗ standards and the federal said is that

34:39 ↗ we that specific to this is in the

34:41 ↗ manual for uniform traffic control

34:43 ↗ devices

34:44 ↗ I mean TCD for short so if you ever hear

34:47 ↗ that term this is what the

34:49 ↗ transportation engineer or planner is

34:51 ↗ referring to and that is specific

34:55 ↗ standards and guidelines on signage on

34:59 ↗ road markings so all the stripe being

35:01 ↗ you see on the roadways any paint that

35:03 ↗ you see on the roadway and signals so

35:05 ↗ whether it's the traffic signals at

35:07 ↗ intersections or those rapid flashing

35:09 ↗ beacons that you see at the crosswalks

35:11 ↗ this these federal get standards or

35:15 ↗ guidelines govern how

35:17 ↗ all that gets installed but where it's a

35:20 ↗ little more looser is when and how often

35:23 ↗ they get installed and that is more more

35:25 ↗ up to the local jurisdictions to

35:28 ↗ establish those type of policies yeah

35:34 ↗ please

36:21 ↗ how these crossings are applied or not

36:25 ↗ and so it's important for the public to

36:28 ↗ be able to have an expectation of oh we

36:31 ↗ have this condition we can expect this

36:33 ↗ to be installed

36:34 ↗ it also helps from the drivers

36:36 ↗ perspective you know they see

36:37 ↗ consistency along the roadway network so

36:40 ↗ they understand hey I can expect to see

36:43 ↗ these types of devices and I have to act

36:45 ↗ a certain way predictability and the

36:49 ↗ like is important for all people's

36:51 ↗ safety so so a lot of the that types of

37:00 ↗ crossings you'll see can be broken down

37:02 ↗ to two different categories of

37:05 ↗ uncontrolled crossing where there's you

37:07 ↗ there's no markings and no signage on

37:10 ↗ the roadway that's typically what you'll

37:11 ↗ see in residential neighborhoods with

37:13 ↗ unmarked crossings and then also where

37:17 ↗ there is a marked crosswalk it's also

37:20 ↗ not controlled if you're not it's it's

37:22 ↗ if you're not forcing requiring a driver

37:25 ↗ to stop it is an uncontrolled crosswalk

37:29 ↗ where intersection where it is

37:32 ↗ controlled is where you have a stop sign

37:33 ↗ or a signal actually requiring drivers

37:36 ↗ to stop and that that is the biggest

37:39 ↗ distinguish yes yeah let me ask about

37:42 ↗ this and see if I remember my lessons

37:44 ↗ from Issaquah Highlands but our drivers

37:47 ↗ required to stop for pedestrians who are

37:50 ↗ waiting even at an uncontrolled crossing

37:52 ↗ this their driver law that tells them to

37:55 ↗ do that do we have a local law there's a

38:00 ↗ state law that says that once the

38:02 ↗ pedestrian steps off the curb and enters

38:06 ↗ the crosswalk the driver is supposed to

38:09 ↗ stop there's some caveats to that

38:11 ↗ because the driver

38:12 ↗ the person isn't supposed to jump out

38:14 ↗ right in front of the car as it's right

38:16 ↗ there and doesn't give the driver an

38:17 ↗ opportunity to stop but yes for all

38:22 ↗ practical purposes even there that it's

38:25 ↗ still a Stephen said there are

38:27 ↗ controlled and uncontrolled if the

38:31 ↗ pedestrian approaches a controlled

38:33 ↗ crossing they can push a button and the

38:36 ↗ lights will change and the driver should

38:39 ↗ stop if they are on a different type of

38:44 ↗ crossing where it doesn't have any

38:46 ↗ devices that creates a red ball for the

38:49 ↗ driver and they they can still step off

38:52 ↗ the curb and the driver is supposed to

38:55 ↗ be able to stop but it's not controlled

38:58 ↗ thank you and that's I one of the

39:04 ↗ biggest reasons to bring this up is

39:06 ↗ those crosswalks where there's rapid

39:08 ↗ flashing beacons that actually is not

39:10 ↗ requiring drivers to stop that is a

39:12 ↗ warning signal to two drivers signalling

39:15 ↗ that a pedestrian is there wanting to

39:17 ↗ cross the that crosswalk and people

39:20 ↗ think that that signal is actually

39:22 ↗ requiring drivers and it's it's the

39:23 ↗ opposite it is more of a warning signal

39:26 ↗ more so than anything else for it to be

39:27 ↗ controlled requiring drivers to stop ask

39:30 ↗ me either a traffic signal or this

39:32 ↗ what's called a hawk signal which is not

39:35 ↗ necessarily an intersection with traffic

39:37 ↗ signals but it is what is the signal

39:39 ↗ giving drivers requiring drivers to stop

39:43 ↗ at the stop line and then there's also

39:47 ↗ stop signs which also require drivers to

39:49 ↗ stop at the intersection

39:54 ↗ and a lot of the special treatments that

39:57 ↗ we'll discuss in these crossing

39:59 ↗ guidelines are on here but also what I

40:02 ↗ also couldn't fit on here a lot of the

40:05 ↗ different treatments you show to either

40:07 ↗ give warnings to drivers that this is

40:11 ↗ crossing weather for bicyclists or

40:13 ↗ pedestrians but also to provide

40:17 ↗ different treatments for pedestrians so

40:20 ↗ in the upper right you have an island

40:22 ↗ that it becomes a two-stage crossing

40:24 ↗ where pedestrian or someone who is

40:26 ↗ crossing is able to stop in the middle

40:28 ↗ and take a break depending on the volume

40:32 ↗ of the traffic on the roadway that

40:34 ↗ that's actually could be very important

40:36 ↗ the bottom left is raised crossing

40:42 ↗ that's important because that is

40:43 ↗ actually lifting up the vehicles like a

40:46 ↗ speed hump almost forcing them to slow

40:49 ↗ down for the intersection and then the

40:52 ↗ bottom right is that rapid flashing

40:53 ↗ beacon that I thought up are there any

40:56 ↗ questions on the different type of

40:57 ↗ treatments Stephanie at this point does

41:03 ↗ the city tend to choose one over the

41:07 ↗ other or is it all specific to that

41:10 ↗ crossing point every every crossing is

41:14 ↗ unique a lot of these there's guidance

41:18 ↗ on when to use a lot of these but

41:20 ↗ there's not requirements on how to use

41:24 ↗ them or when to use them and so that is

41:26 ↗ that as part of the policy discussion

41:28 ↗ we'll have is well do we actually want

41:31 ↗ to require in specific situations to

41:35 ↗ require a rapid flashing beacon

41:36 ↗ crosswalk or two to put into policy and

41:40 ↗ we need to consider either rapid

41:43 ↗ flashing beacon or another type of

41:44 ↗ treatment in certain situations I guess

41:51 ↗ the my big question is how much does the

41:56 ↗ profession collectively know about the

41:59 ↗ effectiveness of all these different

42:01 ↗ treatments I mean obviously every

42:03 ↗ intersection is unique but

42:06 ↗ is there a lot of data is there a lot of

42:08 ↗ agreement about certain treatments and

42:13 ↗ practices I mean is it is it current is

42:16 ↗ it robust is there enough of it because

42:20 ↗ I think some of the times these things

42:21 ↗ can be counterintuitive you know you

42:23 ↗ take traffic circles for example people

42:25 ↗ complain about them but there's a lot of

42:27 ↗ data that show that there you can reduce

42:29 ↗ you know they can speed up traffic and

42:32 ↗ they can reduce collisions so people can

42:35 ↗ complain about them but they work like

42:37 ↗ so how much because I think this is one

42:38 ↗ of those things where I'm not sure how

42:41 ↗ much I trust intuition and I really

42:44 ↗ trust data if it should be trusted and

42:46 ↗ I'm curious about the sort of the state

42:49 ↗ of the profession and how much we know

42:51 ↗ about whether these things work whether

42:54 ↗ it's safety or promoting a sense of

42:56 ↗ safety which encourages more

42:57 ↗ participation or more usage that sort of

43:00 ↗ thing how much do we know there's data

43:02 ↗ on most of these device all of these

43:05 ↗ devices otherwise they wouldn't be

43:07 ↗ supported for either experimentation or

43:10 ↗ approval in the federal standards or at

43:12 ↗ federal guidelines but we always are

43:16 ↗ looking for more data the probably the

43:19 ↗ most of these treatments is going to be

43:22 ↗ the rapid flashing beacons in the bottom

43:24 ↗ right and and their effectiveness of

43:26 ↗ compliance of drivers actually stopping

43:28 ↗ and yielding for people crossing but

43:31 ↗ also for compliance for pedestrians

43:33 ↗ using them so one thing that I've seen

43:36 ↗ in some cities is in situations where

43:39 ↗ you have these rapid flashing beacons

43:41 ↗ the drivers become accustomed to seeing

43:42 ↗ them and they look for the lights not

43:46 ↗ for the pedestrians and so if the

43:47 ↗ pedestrian doesn't actually trigger the

43:49 ↗ signal the driver doesn't isn't

43:52 ↗ expecting the cross and so you have you

43:55 ↗ have to consider both situations of well

43:58 ↗ you can't just put rapid flashing

44:00 ↗ beacons in every location you really

44:02 ↗ ain't wanted in specific locations where

44:03 ↗ there's high-volume vehicles more so

44:06 ↗ than high-volume pedestrians because

44:08 ↗ there's also the expectation of driver

44:11 ↗ behavior that you have to take into

44:12 ↗ account

44:15 ↗ I would just encourage us to always be

44:18 ↗ asking that for objective information

44:23 ↗ rather than just it's so tempting me

44:24 ↗ like oh I like that one and can you tell

44:27 ↗ us a little bit about the one on the top

44:28 ↗ row in the middle I've never seen

44:29 ↗ anything like that before it's so it's

44:32 ↗ just a special crosswalk so it's it's

44:35 ↗ incorporating art as part of a crosswalk

44:37 ↗ and and it it's it's been of a debate on

44:40 ↗ the federal level its compliance or

44:44 ↗ compliance it's a legality and and how

44:48 ↗ much they want to allow that so in like

44:52 ↗ cities Seattle you'll see piano keys as

44:55 ↗ part of the crosswalk where you'll see I

45:00 ↗ can't remember the other art

45:02 ↗ installations they have but you'll see

45:04 ↗ different types of crosswalks over in

45:05 ↗ the city of Seattle and and then even

45:07 ↗ city of Boston they have different types

45:08 ↗ of ones relating to art whether it's

45:11 ↗ historical art relating to something in

45:15 ↗ the close proximity or if the

45:17 ↗ neighborhood has something as part of

45:19 ↗ its history that they want to

45:20 ↗ incorporate as part of the restriping

45:22 ↗ but there are requirements on the

45:23 ↗ federal level that you still need to buy

45:25 ↗ advice for instance when you have a

45:28 ↗ specific crosswalk that has like the

45:30 ↗ solid bars

45:30 ↗ you can't impede those solid white bars

45:34 ↗ in any way so the art actually has to

45:35 ↗ work around it

45:36 ↗ then actually cover it and that is

45:40 ↗ what's been been decided to be allowed

45:42 ↗ as part of federal guidance that was

45:48 ↗ probably more than what your question

45:49 ↗ was but mm-hmm or there I saw unless one

45:54 ↗ way it's oof interview everybody I have

45:57 ↗ one question about these and I think I

46:00 ↗ heard you say that in our policies we

46:03 ↗ don't have any minimum or requirements

46:06 ↗ that say when you have to use any of

46:09 ↗ these there's no standard or bar that

46:11 ↗ says when this then you got to do that

46:14 ↗ we go ahead children you're correct

46:19 ↗ there's no thou shalt use this type of

46:21 ↗ device in these conditions and so forth

46:24 ↗ what we have is adopted guidelines

46:27 ↗ that we are able to look at the most

46:29 ↗ current literature and research we are

46:31 ↗ able to use some engineering judgment

46:34 ↗ where you look at it as the guidelines

46:39 ↗ may give you some approximations as to

46:43 ↗ when you use it volume to traffic speed

46:45 ↗ of traffic volumes of pedestrians

46:47 ↗ there's a multitude of different things

46:50 ↗ that go into the guidelines and the

46:53 ↗ there's always the engineering judgment

46:55 ↗ of you know is this a place where does

46:57 ↗ it meet driver expectation you know are

47:00 ↗ the pedestrians really going to you know

47:02 ↗ there's a whole lot of things that go

47:04 ↗ into do you use a device at a certain

47:06 ↗ location or not

47:08 ↗ hopefully the update of the guidelines

47:10 ↗ will get us closer to the Dow shall but

47:13 ↗ again you want to be able to provide for

47:16 ↗ opportunity to use latest data and

47:18 ↗ things like that because this crosses

47:20 ↗ comment about you know just saying well

47:22 ↗ it feels good to put it in over here

47:23 ↗ that's one of the issues that we have

47:25 ↗ today is that a lot of people engineers

47:29 ↗ included will say aw we should do this

47:31 ↗ here it's like what do you mean you know

47:34 ↗ it's just like doesn't mean any criteria

47:36 ↗ you know and so those conversations are

47:39 ↗ almost daily you know in the industry

47:42 ↗ and so in updating these guidelines is

47:45 ↗ very important and some input and

47:47 ↗ guidance from the tab on these sorts of

47:49 ↗ things is going to be important I think

47:52 ↗ that opportunities were not to paint a

47:57 ↗ broad brush but where you could install

47:58 ↗ a shell so that you have that okay this

48:01 ↗ is one of those things that's very

48:03 ↗ important I'm not saying when or where

48:04 ↗ that is but it would be nice to

48:06 ↗ determine that there are some places

48:08 ↗ where it's very important to do

48:09 ↗ something like the mid-block crossing on

48:11 ↗ i-90 ask about the mid-block crossing

48:15 ↗ because it inspired me to ask about

48:17 ↗ another jurisdiction when you have such

48:20 ↗ policies how would they apply to

48:21 ↗ something like SR 900 the portion of SR

48:27 ↗ 900 that is under the city's control is

48:30 ↗ south of Newports way that is a state

48:34 ↗ highway that because of our population

48:36 ↗ we would then be able to apply them

48:39 ↗ anything

48:40 ↗ that is Newport basically north of

48:43 ↗ Tibbets Creek - all the way through to

48:46 ↗ 12th Avenue signal is in the high 90

48:48 ↗ limited access and control by FHWA and

48:51 ↗ wash dot so we would have no influence

48:53 ↗ on that we can try and influence them

48:55 ↗ and have those conversations but

48:57 ↗ technically it is their operational

49:00 ↗ facility and we don't control it thank

49:04 ↗ you for that anything else about special

49:07 ↗ crossings before we move on any feedback

49:10 ↗ on what you would like to see whether

49:12 ↗ it's treatments you've seen in other

49:14 ↗ areas or things to you would like to

49:16 ↗ have us discuss as we're looking through

49:19 ↗ the policies I would like to see more of

49:24 ↗ the utensil type crossings I really like

49:29 ↗ art I do and I think that having

49:31 ↗ something unique would get drivers to

49:35 ↗ slow down especially and kind of look at

49:37 ↗ it more mm-hmm I think it's a really

49:39 ↗ effective way of mixing art culture and

49:42 ↗ safety so I would prefer to see more of

49:46 ↗ those type of crossings in our city okay

49:56 ↗ I would just like to make sure that we

50:01 ↗ focus on continuity and I'm sure you're

50:03 ↗ already doing this but you know that

50:06 ↗ figure that you said up 25 percent was

50:08 ↗ our rating and I kept thinking about I

50:10 ↗ wonder what it would be if you you know

50:11 ↗ were able to segment that by

50:12 ↗ neighborhood I mean we should be sick we

50:15 ↗ should I think we should I don't know

50:19 ↗ how exactly to apply this equitably but

50:24 ↗ let's invest where there's already let's

50:27 ↗ say topographical or land use reasons

50:30 ↗ that people might be using these

50:32 ↗ facilities it just seems if it gets if

50:35 ↗ you're sort of a mile wide and an inch

50:37 ↗ deep and just sort of do a mediocre job

50:39 ↗ everywhere that you won't be protecting

50:41 ↗ your investment versus rolling it out

50:44 ↗ we're really focusing or making the

50:47 ↗ shells more strict where we know that

50:49 ↗ there's like I said topographical and

50:52 ↗ other land use features that are gonna

50:55 ↗ encourage that are more naturally gonna

51:00 ↗ be used by non-motorized I don't know I

51:02 ↗ just want to make sure we do well where

51:04 ↗ we do it and not just peanut butter

51:06 ↗ spread across the whole thing yeah

51:13 ↗ that's sort of what I was thinking about

51:15 ↗ where we have opportunities with the

51:18 ↗ central Issaquah plan or the urban

51:20 ↗ center urban growth center to have more

51:23 ↗ shells maybe more shells and places like

51:26 ↗ old town places that are very with old

51:30 ↗ town is already pedestrian heavy we hope

51:33 ↗ that the urban growth center will be a

51:35 ↗ pedestrian place and to lay that

51:37 ↗ investment in the real dense core of it

51:40 ↗ maybe those geographical definitions

51:46 ↗ allow for places where we could be

51:48 ↗ stricter that's an idea and another zone

51:51 ↗ that I think could be added to that and

51:54 ↗ it might already be in the urban growth

51:55 ↗ center is anything that's bordering the

51:57 ↗ state park or major trailheads

52:01 ↗ as other heavily pedestrian or other

52:06 ↗ users or crossings

52:09 ↗ yeah trail crossings connections with

52:11 ↗ parks already didn't identify his staff

52:14 ↗ as Pedro policy discussions or points

52:17 ↗ that we'll have as part of this update

52:21 ↗ definitely you said briefly that the

52:25 ↗ kind of artistic cross crossing options

52:28 ↗ are kind of it's almost gray area with

52:32 ↗ federal where does that put us if you

52:35 ↗ know if we say okay find in portrayal

52:38 ↗ heads or parks and maybe old town or you

52:41 ↗ know if we want to incorporate a little

52:43 ↗ bit more art but still use the crossing

52:45 ↗ efficiently how does that affect that

52:48 ↗ decision-making if it's still kind of

52:50 ↗ gray area with federal it's so when I

52:55 ↗ say gray area is it's like not all art

52:57 ↗ is being approved as part of the

52:59 ↗ crosswalks there's very specific

53:01 ↗ guidelines you have to follow but even

53:03 ↗ those guidelines are changing at the

53:05 ↗ federal level as they can as more and

53:07 ↗ more of these installations go out

53:08 ↗ throughout the country and more data

53:10 ↗ kind of goes behind of what's impacting

53:13 ↗ the sight line and the visualization of

53:16 ↗ these items and being able to actually

53:19 ↗ control traffic so every installations

53:23 ↗ gonna we're just gonna have to look at

53:24 ↗ it uniquely and and specifically in

53:27 ↗ every situation but it I don't think we

53:30 ↗ need to be afraid and not do it and stay

53:33 ↗ away from it I think we will just need

53:36 ↗ to be able to look at each one closely

53:38 ↗ to make sure that we're not falling out

53:41 ↗ of that gray area and we're staying kind

53:43 ↗ of in the guidelines at the federal

53:45 ↗ level I do think then we should call out

53:48 ↗ maybe specifically if we choose to use

53:51 ↗ something more along that lines that you

53:54 ↗ know it's specific to very certain areas

53:58 ↗ or we're using it intentionally you know

54:00 ↗ for trail heads or parks or downtown for

54:03 ↗ maybe just wayfinding that's we're

54:05 ↗ including the wayfinding in those

54:07 ↗ crossings I don't know if that's too

54:10 ↗ specific but maybe that should be a

54:11 ↗ shell in just how we're assuming people

54:16 ↗ are moving around the city or within the

54:18 ↗ mountains that we've created okay

54:21 ↗ I should add one more thing to the list

54:30 ↗ and you know I said the urban growth

54:32 ↗ center in Old Town and trail crossings

54:35 ↗ and trail heads but also the urban

54:38 ↗ villages okay okay if there's not

54:52 ↗ anything else I'll move on all right and

54:55 ↗ this won't be the first time we'll be

54:57 ↗ asking this question well we as we kind

54:59 ↗ of draft new language we will come back

55:01 ↗ to the tab of a is does this meet what

55:05 ↗ the feedback that you had given us

55:07 ↗ before and these are the considerations

55:08 ↗ of how we drafted it so the last policy

55:12 ↗ that we'll talk about tonight is their

55:13 ↗ traffic calming policy this was a policy

55:16 ↗ that was put together and adopted back

55:18 ↗ in 2003 with seven major objectives

55:21 ↗ which includes slower slowing speeds and

55:25 ↗ neighborhoods reducing collisions

55:27 ↗ increasing the perception of safety

55:29 ↗ preference to local residents that live

55:32 ↗ in those neighborhoods and reduction of

55:35 ↗ reduction of need of police enforcement

55:39 ↗ to make it more intuitive design

55:41 ↗ enhancing the street environment and

55:44 ↗ then also increasing access for all

55:46 ↗ modes users through the neighborhood's

55:49 ↗ it's you I think I gave you each a

55:52 ↗ pamphlet with our traffic calming

55:54 ↗ program with each of the two details and

55:57 ↗ the elements of the traffic fault

55:59 ↗ traffic calming policy the main thing to

56:02 ↗ note with the traffic law policy is that

56:05 ↗ there's two defined phases for traffic

56:09 ↗ calming the first phase includes citizen

56:12 ↗ requests as well as the traffic analysis

56:15 ↗ and that could be a process that can

56:17 ↗ take six months to a year that is the

56:19 ↗ initial stages of figuring out what the

56:23 ↗ issue is and then also going through

56:25 ↗ several steps and evaluating different

56:27 ↗ tools that the city offers on addressing

56:32 ↗ a lot of the issue and

56:34 ↗ so there's a lot of Education and a lot

56:36 ↗ of enforcement that comes out of that

56:37 ↗ first phase the second phase is where

56:41 ↗ you now do evaluation of the first phase

56:43 ↗ and then you also do traffic further

56:46 ↗ traffic analysis with speed counts

56:48 ↗ volume data and look at whether or not

56:51 ↗ engineered solution is warranted in that

56:54 ↗ situation and it is only in that second

56:58 ↗ phase to where you look at engineered

57:00 ↗ solutions in that first phase that is

57:02 ↗ where you are kind of sticking to the

57:04 ↗ education and enforcement portion of the

57:06 ↗ traffic calming policy any questions on

57:11 ↗ the process its outlined I think on the

57:14 ↗ back page front page of the pamphlet

57:17 ↗ that you have if you could go back one

57:21 ↗ slide I have a question about the

57:23 ↗ objectives sure maybe it's just in the

57:27 ↗ translation but the third bullet point

57:29 ↗ that says increased perception of safety

57:31 ↗ seems slightly unsatisfying to me am I

57:36 ↗ missing something there it was not

57:39 ↗ really safer it just seems like it's

57:40 ↗ safer no it was the full sentence was to

57:43 ↗ increase the perception of safety of

57:45 ↗ non-motorized users on the corridor and

57:47 ↗ that is that the the perception of

57:51 ↗ safety is is relative to each individual

57:54 ↗ and that was what that like which was

57:56 ↗ getting at everybody perceived safety a

57:59 ↗ little bit differently and that is part

58:02 ↗ of why it was being called out as part

58:04 ↗ of the objectives because engineering

58:07 ↗ standards of what defines or what

58:09 ↗ warrants safety improvements is

58:12 ↗ different than people's perception of

58:13 ↗ what doesn't feel safe and so though I

58:16 ↗ think that is why that language was

58:18 ↗ called out as part of the objectives

58:22 ↗ Cobie and then Cynthia I was just gonna

58:26 ↗ ask how many requests you usually get

58:29 ↗ every year for this program if you

58:33 ↗ happen to know

58:37 ↗ I'm gonna turn to Sheldon to answer that

58:39 ↗ I don't have an exact number we do get a

58:42 ↗ number of citizens submit requests for

58:47 ↗ we think the traffic speeding through

58:49 ↗ our neighborhood would like you to come

58:51 ↗ out and take speed counts things like

58:53 ↗ that we do get quite a bit of that a lot

58:56 ↗ of times the data comes back and there's

58:59 ↗ engineering standards as Steven referred

59:01 ↗ to of you know it's like if the 80 85

59:06 ↗ percent of the people are traveling

59:07 ↗ within you know five miles per hour

59:10 ↗ above the speed limit that's really not

59:12 ↗ an issue because you can have anomalies

59:14 ↗ that can drive that up and just the

59:16 ↗ other way around you could have it to

59:17 ↗ drive it down and so the that may be

59:21 ↗ perceived by those people as being a

59:23 ↗ safety issue but in the world out there

59:27 ↗ it's really not that's a normal thing

59:31 ↗ that people drive within five miles per

59:33 ↗ hour over the speed limit so but we do

59:35 ↗ get a number of requests and we do

59:36 ↗ investigate each and every one of them I

59:39 ↗ think you know I was just gonna say I

59:44 ↗ think increasing the perception of

59:46 ↗ safety is really important because

59:47 ↗ people are going to feel more confident

59:49 ↗ engaging and you know participating in

59:51 ↗ different modes if they feel safe and

59:55 ↗ the more people that do it to safe or

59:56 ↗ it's going to become so I think I don't

59:59 ↗ think it should be instead of improving

1:00:02 ↗ safety but I think that it is a

1:00:03 ↗ different concept and I think it's a

1:00:05 ↗ very important one mm-hmm yeah I think

1:00:10 ↗ if I saw a bullet point that said that

1:00:13 ↗ an objective was that it was safer and

1:00:15 ↗ that people felt safer that would be

1:00:19 ↗ more satisfying to me indeed any other

1:00:23 ↗ questions here I could share here might

1:00:28 ↗ be appropriate that Issaquah Highlands

1:00:31 ↗ had started process in this in our

1:00:34 ↗ neighborhood and have gone through some

1:00:37 ↗ interesting rounds of evaluation and

1:00:39 ↗ coming back with the city and it's an

1:00:41 ↗ ongoing process it's something that

1:00:43 ↗ takes a lot of work and it does take a

1:00:45 ↗ lot of time trying to blend ADA with

1:00:48 ↗ people's needs and getting

1:00:50 ↗ understanding from the residents what is

1:00:54 ↗ actually happening and their perceptions

1:00:56 ↗ and then matching that to what the data

1:00:59 ↗ says and then figuring out where to go

1:01:00 ↗ from there

1:01:02 ↗ and Oldtown it's another good example I

1:01:05 ↗ think isn't it working on that yes Old

1:01:09 ↗ Town is was another major effort

1:01:21 ↗ forgetting where it was all right but I

1:01:23 ↗ think what I was gonna talk about was

1:01:24 ↗ how I'm sorry Coby did you have a

1:01:28 ↗ question yeah just really quick okay um

1:01:31 ↗ so I understand the other two policies

1:01:34 ↗ exactly what you wanted us to update you

1:01:35 ↗ on this to be more comprehensive with

1:01:37 ↗ the first one being more specific with

1:01:38 ↗ the second one do you know is there a

1:01:40 ↗ specific something that was specifically

1:01:42 ↗ that was trying to update with this one

1:01:44 ↗ or is it just kind of the whole thing

1:01:45 ↗ general

1:01:46 ↗ so with this policy because of the

1:01:50 ↗ issues the cities have had using this

1:01:52 ↗ policy where we're looking to overhaul

1:01:54 ↗ the whole policy and that is to revisit

1:01:57 ↗ the idea of one what is the community

1:02:01 ↗ actually want when it comes to traffic

1:02:03 ↗ calming or neighborhood safety or

1:02:05 ↗ neighborhood projects they're just

1:02:07 ↗ opening kind of a bigger discussion of

1:02:09 ↗ what starting on the ground what does

1:02:11 ↗ the community want and then working

1:02:14 ↗ towards do we establish a traffic

1:02:17 ↗ calming program and really look at what

1:02:21 ↗ this process should be so what the

1:02:23 ↗ policy should be related to traffic

1:02:24 ↗ calming and also update what the

1:02:28 ↗ different devices that are gonna be

1:02:30 ↗ available right now it's because this

1:02:31 ↗ policy was put together back in 2003 the

1:02:34 ↗ number of devices is fairly limited so

1:02:37 ↗ there have been I'm different and a new

1:02:41 ↗ number of tools are available to us now

1:02:43 ↗ when it comes to traffic calming and so

1:02:45 ↗ that we want to update that aspect of

1:02:47 ↗ the policy as well thank you I'd like to

1:02:50 ↗ add a little more to that

1:02:53 ↗ so there is one major area also that

1:02:58 ↗ we've had conflicts with the communities

1:03:01 ↗ over and that's in dealing with the

1:03:03 ↗ installation of engineering devices like

1:03:06 ↗ speed humps chicanes and other types of

1:03:09 ↗ tools that are used the slow traffic

1:03:10 ↗ divert traffic keep it going a little

1:03:12 ↗ bit slower I and that is in the current

1:03:16 ↗ program it requires 70% of the people in

1:03:19 ↗ the neighborhood to say yes I want that

1:03:21 ↗ type of facility I that's been a very

1:03:24 ↗ tough burden to achieve and so there's

1:03:28 ↗ been a lot of internal should say

1:03:30 ↗ internal but conversation within the

1:03:32 ↗ neighborhoods where we've engaged and

1:03:35 ↗ it's been mixed very very difficult to

1:03:39 ↗ get 70% so that's one of the major

1:03:42 ↗ policy arenas that we'd like to focus in

1:03:45 ↗ on there you know is it something less

1:03:46 ↗ is 70% good when these guidelines were

1:03:51 ↗ adopted most of our joining agencies and

1:03:55 ↗ so forth we're using the 70 percent mark

1:03:57 ↗ and so to me that's a solid conversation

1:04:01 ↗ to have you know are we at the right

1:04:03 ↗ place

1:04:03 ↗ should it be something less because we

1:04:06 ↗ don't want it to be so burdensome that

1:04:08 ↗ the answer is always no but yet we also

1:04:11 ↗ want to have it so that after the

1:04:13 ↗ devices go in we don't get half the

1:04:15 ↗ neighborhood coming back going hey can

1:04:17 ↗ you take it out now

1:04:17 ↗ because these things cost money and some

1:04:22 ↗ of them are really noisy you know

1:04:24 ↗ there's there's a number of different

1:04:25 ↗ reasons why we want to have this you

1:04:27 ↗ know policy looked at thank you were

1:04:33 ↗ there any questions before so one of the

1:04:38 ↗ actually show that maybe you could talk

1:04:40 ↗ a little more on the history of how this

1:04:43 ↗ policy has been used and what what's

1:04:45 ↗ changed more recently to lead us to

1:04:47 ↗ really want to overhaul the policy well

1:04:51 ↗ the policy you know we have gone through

1:04:54 ↗ the different phases when we get a

1:04:55 ↗ request for if there's a speeding

1:04:58 ↗ problem or people just call us and say

1:05:00 ↗ hey I want speed humps we'll go through

1:05:02 ↗ the data collection analyze it work with

1:05:05 ↗ the neighbor

1:05:06 ↗ and the policy that I just referenced

1:05:08 ↗ about getting 70% to buy into a type of

1:05:11 ↗ device that's been where it's been so

1:05:15 ↗ burdensome that the answer has pretty

1:05:16 ↗ much been no all the time we do have

1:05:19 ↗ certain streets in the city that the

1:05:22 ↗ policy is clear that we cannot install

1:05:24 ↗ these devices like a bun squawk Mountain

1:05:26 ↗ you know on the steeper Hills because we

1:05:28 ↗ just talked about snow plowing fire

1:05:31 ↗ trucks there's a number of reasons why

1:05:33 ↗ we don't want him on the steeper Hills

1:05:37 ↗ but what we did recently in the past 3

1:05:42 ↗ to 5 years and working with the old town

1:05:44 ↗ area is we actually piloted a program we

1:05:49 ↗ went to the city went ahead and

1:05:51 ↗ purchased some temporary speed humps we

1:05:53 ↗ built some temporary little traffic

1:05:55 ↗ circles we did a number of different

1:05:56 ↗ things so that the community could try

1:05:58 ↗ it out rather than saying well we need

1:06:00 ↗ 70% to say this is what you want we

1:06:03 ↗ experimented that pilot program took us

1:06:06 ↗ about a year and a half and a little bit

1:06:08 ↗ over $300,000 but hopefully that'll help

1:06:11 ↗ inform us and maybe that's the policy

1:06:14 ↗ going forward is that when you have a

1:06:15 ↗ large area we do a pilot program rather

1:06:19 ↗ than saying you have to have X percent

1:06:22 ↗ there's a number of different

1:06:23 ↗ alternatives that can be discussed and

1:06:25 ↗ you know advice given from the tab on

1:06:28 ↗ what's the best way to approach these

1:06:29 ↗ things hopefully that answered the

1:06:32 ↗ question I'm just speaking from

1:06:36 ↗ experience with that pilot program I

1:06:38 ↗ live on 2nd and Andrews and so I saw

1:06:41 ↗ like 10 different options or maybe 8

1:06:43 ↗ different options put on three different

1:06:45 ↗ blocks and just living there as a part

1:06:48 ↗ of the community it was great because I

1:06:49 ↗ could go try them all out within a mile

1:06:53 ↗ of my house and decide what I honestly

1:06:55 ↗ thought would be safest for especially

1:06:58 ↗ you know high school kids trying to cut

1:06:59 ↗ through my neighborhood or you know my

1:07:02 ↗ next-door neighbors that's 75 years old

1:07:04 ↗ that maybe wants to walk half the time

1:07:05 ↗ and try and drive the other half can

1:07:07 ↗ they see what movement is so I think

1:07:10 ↗ that is definitely something that we

1:07:11 ↗ should seriously consider granted it

1:07:15 ↗ costs a little bit more money in the

1:07:17 ↗ front end of things

1:07:19 ↗ but I think it might spike community

1:07:21 ↗ involvement if you know they're forced

1:07:24 ↗ to try two or three different options on

1:07:26 ↗ two blocks just verb okay I forget how

1:07:29 ↗ long it was maybe eight weeks six weeks

1:07:31 ↗ it wasn't very long but I think that's

1:07:35 ↗ something just from experience and

1:07:37 ↗ seeing it would be definitely worth

1:07:39 ↗ something putting down on paper okay

1:07:43 ↗ anybody else about that I have one

1:07:47 ↗ question still looking around Sheldon I

1:07:51 ↗ wanted to ask about police enforcement

1:07:53 ↗ as part of this and then I wanted to ask

1:07:55 ↗ about speeds as Issaquah or urban Isis

1:08:00 ↗ intensifies we've had 25 mile an hour

1:08:03 ↗ roads everywhere which means as per what

1:08:06 ↗ you just said you can go 30 which

1:08:08 ↗ wouldn't be appropriate as we get more

1:08:10 ↗ and more dense can we put the city look

1:08:13 ↗ into lower speed limits which I know

1:08:15 ↗ then speaks to the enforcement thing

1:08:17 ↗ what about what about speeds there are

1:08:23 ↗ some are CW's that limit how far you can

1:08:29 ↗ reduce the speeds

1:08:29 ↗ I believe there's only limited

1:08:33 ↗ circumstances where the our CW's would

1:08:36 ↗ allow a municipality to go down the 20

1:08:38 ↗ mile per hour but I don't have those up

1:08:41 ↗ in my head pretty much it's 25 mile per

1:08:44 ↗ hour is the minimum speed that a

1:08:45 ↗ municipality can set unless there's

1:08:48 ↗ extenuating circumstances and I believe

1:08:50 ↗ those are tip don't quote me as being

1:08:53 ↗ all-inclusive here but I believe those

1:08:55 ↗ are mostly focused on narrow alleyways

1:08:57 ↗ not on the normal streets and one thing

1:09:04 ↗ to consider now I add on to Shawn's

1:09:06 ↗ answer is there's one thing to consider

1:09:07 ↗ about speed reduction is also driver

1:09:11 ↗ compliance so you can reduce you can

1:09:14 ↗ change the signs and reduce the speeds

1:09:16 ↗ of 20 and let's say legislation is there

1:09:17 ↗ allows us to change it you still need

1:09:21 ↗ drivers to follow it and so you still

1:09:24 ↗ have that balance of well you have to

1:09:26 ↗ actually have the engineering

1:09:27 ↗ infrastructure built to intuitively

1:09:30 ↗ force drivers to drive

1:09:32 ↗ speed and so if drivers are going beyond

1:09:35 ↗ the speed limit is only because the

1:09:37 ↗ roadway has been engineered that way

1:09:39 ↗ allowing them to feel comfortable to go

1:09:42 ↗ that speed and so that is part of the

1:09:43 ↗ consideration so it's not enough to just

1:09:45 ↗ lower the speed limit you also have to

1:09:47 ↗ put in some engineering solutions to

1:09:49 ↗ support it as well yeah I can see how

1:09:51 ↗ that would go hand-in-hand one without

1:09:54 ↗ the other though I would say as an

1:09:57 ↗ izakaya Highlander the we have a lot of

1:10:00 ↗ traffic calming in our design street

1:10:03 ↗ parking narrow streets all these sorts

1:10:05 ↗ of things and still people will drive

1:10:07 ↗ fast and so it they seem to not work on

1:10:11 ↗ their own are still needs to be

1:10:14 ↗ something else my point so what was

1:10:27 ↗ going to talk about next was the

1:10:28 ↗ different type of devices that are

1:10:29 ↗ available that we haven't really

1:10:31 ↗ explored in the city as quad and I mean

1:10:34 ↗ the the upper left being speed humps the

1:10:36 ↗ basic ones that you will see in most

1:10:39 ↗ toolboxes but upper middle one being

1:10:43 ↗ called Street murals and it's more of a

1:10:48 ↗ community process as part of the

1:10:49 ↗ education process you can bring a

1:10:51 ↗ community together and put it in street

1:10:52 ↗ murals in your neighborhood and it

1:10:55 ↗ doesn't necessarily force people to slow

1:10:58 ↗ down but when you there are there is

1:11:01 ↗ data behind that when you actually get

1:11:03 ↗ communities together to get to know one

1:11:06 ↗ another to help put together this piece

1:11:09 ↗ of art on the mural the speeds actually

1:11:12 ↗ drop you see a reduction and volume and

1:11:15 ↗ speeds in this because it now becomes a

1:11:17 ↗ part of the neighborhood it is

1:11:19 ↗ established part of its own history in

1:11:22 ↗ each of the neighborhoods and so you see

1:11:23 ↗ actually an impact on driver behavior

1:11:26 ↗ and so there's things like that that we

1:11:28 ↗ can also consider as part of the policy

1:11:30 ↗ traffic circles being another one that

1:11:32 ↗ you're familiar with speed cushions

1:11:34 ↗ something that emergency services

1:11:37 ↗ actually prefers because they are able

1:11:39 ↗ to drive through does show similar

1:11:43 ↗ reductions in speed as speed humps but

1:11:45 ↗ not as much because drivers still feel

1:11:48 ↗ comfortable to you know Drive one wheel

1:11:51 ↗ during what in one of the gaps and but

1:11:54 ↗ only have other wheel all in actual hump

1:11:56 ↗ and that's the lower-left one and then

1:11:59 ↗ you have partial and full closures that

1:12:02 ↗ you can also consider as part of traffic

1:12:04 ↗ calming that force driver behavior to

1:12:08 ↗ change around how they get through or

1:12:10 ↗ around a neighborhood and that is also

1:12:12 ↗ some things that you can consider but it

1:12:14 ↗ isn't necessarily addressed in the

1:12:16 ↗ policy right now and so those are kind

1:12:18 ↗ of the main discussion pieces that we'll

1:12:20 ↗ have with the policy but we also want to

1:12:23 ↗ bring up that there's different

1:12:25 ↗ direction that you can bring the policy

1:12:27 ↗ or a program if that's what we

1:12:29 ↗ established later on is right now what

1:12:31 ↗ we have is more of a reactive system you

1:12:33 ↗ you wait for a complaint to come in and

1:12:35 ↗ wait for issues to come in before you

1:12:37 ↗ actually establish a edgenuity solution

1:12:39 ↗ you can actually incorporate certain

1:12:43 ↗ aspects and street-to-street standards

1:12:46 ↗ to require new development to put in

1:12:48 ↗ certain engineered at solutions or you

1:12:51 ↗ actually go out with you do your own

1:12:54 ↗ traffic counts and not wait for

1:12:56 ↗ complaints to come in and you just gauge

1:12:58 ↗ the neighborhood streets throughout the

1:13:00 ↗ city on probably different waves all at

1:13:03 ↗ the same time but you can actually do

1:13:06 ↗ check your own checking and then talk

1:13:08 ↗ you know propose a solution or propose

1:13:11 ↗ engineer solution to go into a

1:13:13 ↗ neighborhood even though a complaint

1:13:15 ↗ didn't come in so you can go more

1:13:17 ↗ pre-act proactively with a traffic

1:13:18 ↗ calming program or some type of policy

1:13:21 ↗ as well so that's that'll be part of the

1:13:23 ↗ discussions that we'll have Wow with

1:13:25 ↗ this update is there anything that you

1:13:28 ↗ would like us to consider

1:13:36 ↗ don't want me to start I'll look again

1:13:39 ↗ for you so Ellen I have a couple

1:13:41 ↗ comments one is reflecting on the very

1:13:43 ↗ last thing you said about new

1:13:44 ↗ development adjacent at transportation

1:13:49 ↗ facilities you know that's very logical

1:13:51 ↗ but I'm trying still to get my head

1:13:54 ↗ around simplified good currency where we

1:13:57 ↗ have impacts that impact the whole city

1:14:01 ↗ and how we how that works Sheldon do you

1:14:04 ↗ know what I'm asking about when we have

1:14:06 ↗ developers paying impact fees that might

1:14:09 ↗ support improvements that are not right

1:14:12 ↗ next door to their property how to

1:14:15 ↗ simplified concurrency to change how we

1:14:18 ↗ look at installing facilities or does it

1:14:24 ↗ do i misunderstand not understand that

1:14:26 ↗ at all the traffic impact fees are not

1:14:31 ↗ connected to the traffic calming aspects

1:14:33 ↗ of what's deviant about fund it anyway

1:14:35 ↗ okay okay thank you that's a great

1:14:37 ↗ answer okay and then my next thing has

1:14:40 ↗ to do with bicycle safety and simple

1:14:44 ↗ anytime that there is a hard scape

1:14:47 ↗ infrastructure in the path of the street

1:14:52 ↗ kind of bike riding not the not the

1:14:54 ↗ sidewalk kind of bike riding but to

1:14:57 ↗ Cynthia's point people who are traveling

1:14:58 ↗ at a reasonable speed it's dangerous and

1:15:02 ↗ sometimes we use traffic calming devices

1:15:03 ↗ like bulb outs for crosswalks and I find

1:15:07 ↗ them terribly dangerous especially they

1:15:09 ↗ often aren't painted anything but if

1:15:12 ↗ even comparing the two left-hand side

1:15:16 ↗ speed humps I was just in Victoria and

1:15:19 ↗ they had full width speed humps they are

1:15:22 ↗ great they were great it just went right

1:15:25 ↗ over him and it was consistent all the

1:15:27 ↗ way when you have the variations in

1:15:29 ↗ pavement like the bottom left as a

1:15:31 ↗ cyclist I wouldn't like that I wouldn't

1:15:34 ↗ like that at all especially where it

1:15:36 ↗ rains it doesn't rain here at all but

1:15:39 ↗ where it rains those are a couple things

1:15:45 ↗ that I was thinking of anybody else out

1:15:46 ↗ here

1:15:48 ↗ ethnic ahem just from a practical

1:15:52 ↗ standpoint on the street murals is there

1:15:57 ↗ information on how long those tend to

1:15:59 ↗ last before they start to break down and

1:16:02 ↗ get destroyed it depends on the program

1:16:05 ↗ you put together so it there are cities

1:16:08 ↗ who wear the city staff puts it in like

1:16:10 ↗ though the community comes together put

1:16:12 ↗ together the design works with staff to

1:16:13 ↗ put it together and the staff will come

1:16:15 ↗ in and put in and it'll last a couple

1:16:16 ↗ years most programs you'll see is the

1:16:19 ↗ community puts together the design

1:16:21 ↗ approved by the city and then they go by

1:16:22 ↗ paint at Home Depot and then they go

1:16:24 ↗ paint it on the street and so what they

1:16:26 ↗ do is they actually have an annual

1:16:27 ↗ barbecue every year to repaint it and

1:16:30 ↗ that's funded by the city as part of

1:16:33 ↗ that program for those cities who have

1:16:34 ↗ that

1:16:42 ↗ I'm looking at the pictures and I'm just

1:16:44 ↗ also wondering a little bit do you get

1:16:45 ↗ into a conflict between sort of overall

1:16:48 ↗ connectivity and some of these physical

1:16:50 ↗ barriers I mean I just wouldn't want to

1:16:54 ↗ consider these in a vacuum like I'm just

1:16:56 ↗ looking at some of the pictures the

1:16:57 ↗ middle bottom and the lower right I just

1:17:03 ↗ listened to a lot of conversations about

1:17:05 ↗ people being concerned about you know

1:17:07 ↗ not wanting traffic to go through but

1:17:11 ↗ it's important to keep the connectivity

1:17:14 ↗ throughout the city also so that people

1:17:16 ↗ aren't having to drive all around so I'm

1:17:18 ↗ just I guess I'm just wanting to make

1:17:19 ↗ sure that we consider these as part of

1:17:22 ↗ the network and I guess it's kind of to

1:17:23 ↗ your point about calming being a program

1:17:27 ↗ a responsive program versus a more

1:17:30 ↗ reactive

1:17:31 ↗ right right reactive versus a planned

1:17:35 ↗ thing but I just want to make sure that

1:17:37 ↗ thinking about it in the context of the

1:17:40 ↗ whole network of the transportation

1:17:43 ↗ network as some of these things look

1:17:46 ↗ like they could be in conflict with

1:17:48 ↗ those goals you're absolutely right

1:17:52 ↗ and I think that's great conversation as

1:17:55 ↗ you guys work on the policies that are

1:17:58 ↗ going to be embedded within the coming

1:18:00 ↗ guidelines because you know like you

1:18:03 ↗ said the grid is important to the

1:18:05 ↗ overall capacity of mobility within the

1:18:08 ↗ city and some of these alternatives

1:18:12 ↗ you know deber traffic block traffic

1:18:15 ↗ which creates other issues which could

1:18:18 ↗ be contrary to the goals of the city and

1:18:21 ↗ the master mobility plan Stephanie go

1:18:26 ↗ are we also taking into consideration

1:18:31 ↗ projects that have already been done

1:18:33 ↗ like I know you brought up the kind of

1:18:36 ↗ bump outs that could get in the way for

1:18:38 ↗ cyclists like we just put all of those

1:18:40 ↗ in down front street are we thinking

1:18:42 ↗ about affecting projects that are

1:18:45 ↗ completed now once we have this plan in

1:18:48 ↗ place like are we gonna go back and say

1:18:49 ↗ alright this doesn't fit what the plan

1:18:51 ↗ is moving forward and that has to be

1:18:53 ↗ adjusted now or we don't have to

1:18:56 ↗ about it yeah we're not we're not gonna

1:18:57 ↗ try to change everything that's already

1:18:59 ↗ in place it's more of either new

1:19:00 ↗ projects or if the city decides to

1:19:03 ↗ redesign a street that has bull belts

1:19:07 ↗ let's say then maybe they'll as part of

1:19:08 ↗ that conversation they'll talk about

1:19:10 ↗ either taking out the bull belts or

1:19:11 ↗ redesigning them somehow

1:19:13 ↗ but no the intention of this is not to

1:19:15 ↗ go and just change everything it's more

1:19:17 ↗ of to establish more of a consistent

1:19:19 ↗ process for the city to follow that

1:19:20 ↗ everybody understands if if we want a

1:19:23 ↗ project to go in this is the process we

1:19:25 ↗ we need to go by and everybody's

1:19:28 ↗ everybody there's consensus around how

1:19:31 ↗ to do that anything else might be it

1:19:38 ↗ from us okay that's it for me so as as

1:19:44 ↗ we were working through the timeline for

1:19:47 ↗ this it is over the next year but so the

1:19:50 ↗ next time you'll probably hear from me

1:19:51 ↗ is in the next or hear from me on this

1:19:55 ↗ is the next probably two to three months

1:19:58 ↗ when I'll talk probably have a proposal

1:20:00 ↗ or draft language for the Complete

1:20:02 ↗ Streets policy and then after that we'll

1:20:05 ↗ talk about the next policy I'm not gonna

1:20:07 ↗ I'm trying not to give you too much

1:20:09 ↗ because as we work into the next phase

1:20:11 ↗ in mobility master plan you'll get

1:20:13 ↗ multiple items that will be discussing

1:20:15 ↗ and have draft proposal language form

1:20:17 ↗ for us to consider so this will be a

1:20:20 ↗ stretched out over the next year yes to

1:20:23 ↗ that may I ask tonight our agenda if

1:20:29 ↗ somebody were just reading our agenda

1:20:31 ↗ they would could see in the packet that

1:20:34 ↗ we were talking about these policies but

1:20:35 ↗ when we're soliciting some more public

1:20:38 ↗ comment and now that we've had this put

1:20:40 ↗ on tape and those new who are interested

1:20:41 ↗ and it can access it on ictv when it

1:20:46 ↗ comes back to us is still going to come

1:20:47 ↗ back in a draft form right and we will

1:20:49 ↗ be welcoming public comment and our

1:20:51 ↗ comment on it yes right so it'll be

1:20:54 ↗ great to make it very explicit so that

1:20:57 ↗ people will be triggered to know to come

1:20:59 ↗ in and with their thoughts at that time

1:21:01 ↗ and to study the packet okay yep maybe

1:21:04 ↗ some subheadings in the agenda

1:21:07 ↗ yep we can do that yeah any other

1:21:10 ↗ thoughts on scheduling or comments that

1:21:13 ↗ way no okay what else that's it that's

1:21:17 ↗ it from you that's it for me

1:21:18 ↗ okay and we would have a staff report

1:21:21 ↗ but maybe that was the staff report want

1:21:23 ↗ to check with you and see if you have

1:21:24 ↗ anything else to say in a staff report

1:21:27 ↗ no not nothing for me I have a minor

1:21:32 ↗ update state department transportation

1:21:35 ↗ open the bids for the i-90 auxiliary

1:21:38 ↗ lane project which includes the

1:21:40 ↗ retaining wall to widen Northwest

1:21:42 ↗ Sammamish Road the bids came in very

1:21:45 ↗ good under what the engineer's estimate

1:21:48 ↗ was and so the Northwest region office

1:21:52 ↗ has recommended awarding the contract so

1:21:55 ↗ looks like that project is a go so my

1:22:00 ↗ guess is is probably third quarter this

1:22:02 ↗ year we might start to see a contractor

1:22:05 ↗ mobilizing I don't know what the

1:22:07 ↗ contractors schedule is yet because they

1:22:09 ↗ had only met contract yet but I think

1:22:11 ↗ that's a good piece of information for

1:22:13 ↗ the people to know could you quickly say

1:22:16 ↗ what and we're really quick on that

1:22:17 ↗ project Thank You Steven the early lane

1:22:22 ↗ project provides for hardening of the

1:22:25 ↗ shoulders between SR 900 and East Gate

1:22:29 ↗ in east and west direction that will

1:22:31 ↗ allow traffic to use the shoulders as a

1:22:34 ↗ general purpose lane but it also

1:22:36 ↗ includes the construction of sound walls

1:22:40 ↗ between Lake Mont and about halfway

1:22:43 ↗ towards us are 900 on either side of

1:22:48 ↗ i-90 as well and then some sound walls

1:22:51 ↗ in Bellevue also so the idea is to get

1:22:54 ↗ traffic to be able to merge easier keep

1:22:56 ↗ traffic flowing and move the traffic

1:22:59 ↗ east and westbound because that's a

1:23:01 ↗ congestion point on i-90 are the yeah

1:23:04 ↗ are they exhilarated lanes for just

1:23:08 ↗ certain times of the day no

1:23:12 ↗ 24/7 is that the Lake Mont exit is where

1:23:18 ↗ it starts and then goes back towards

1:23:20 ↗ Issaquah 980 that's the portion inside

1:23:24 ↗ the city of Issaquah it actually

1:23:26 ↗ continues through Bellevue all the way

1:23:28 ↗ to East Gate and they're doing some

1:23:30 ↗ improvements at the east gate

1:23:32 ↗ interchange for traffic entering heading

1:23:36 ↗ westbound as well as they're creating

1:23:39 ↗ some opportunity for an extra auxiliary

1:23:43 ↗ lane as you approach the 148 156 exit

1:23:47 ↗ and that's about where it stops right

1:23:49 ↗ there at that interchange thank you any

1:23:56 ↗ more staff report chair doesn't have a

1:24:02 ↗ report is there a youth report this

1:24:04 ↗ evening Coakley yeah just a little minor

1:24:07 ↗ thing says part of the plan to get

1:24:09 ↗ community feedback on the master

1:24:11 ↗ mobility plan which I believe Stephen

1:24:13 ↗ talked about a little bit the community

1:24:14 ↗ engagement slide on there we're gonna

1:24:16 ↗ target a high school so we have a

1:24:18 ↗ survey just that we're doing this week

1:24:21 ↗ and probably part of next week - just

1:24:23 ↗ getting some muted feedback on the

1:24:27 ↗ master mobility plan and also I believe

1:24:29 ↗ next week's Stephens coming or not sure

1:24:30 ↗ what date just coming into the school or

1:24:34 ↗ a focus group to get more detailed or do

1:24:37 ↗ you tell feedback excellent thank you

1:24:41 ↗ under other business announcements does

1:24:44 ↗ anybody have anything else I would just

1:24:47 ↗ say that tomorrow is our Bellevue tour

1:24:51 ↗ which will be very interesting with

1:24:53 ↗ several of the board members are going

1:24:54 ↗ on that to learn about some of the

1:24:57 ↗ elements in their work we have a bicycle

1:25:00 ↗ tour and and I'm sure it'll be as

1:25:02 ↗ informative as it was in Redmond which

1:25:04 ↗ is very helpful so thank you for putting

1:25:06 ↗ those together mm-hm

1:25:08 ↗ anything else anything else from you

1:25:10 ↗ Steven oh you know what I don't have the

1:25:14 ↗ date of our next meeting handy for me do

1:25:16 ↗ have that so we can it'll be June handy

1:25:22 ↗ calendar June 24th is our next

1:25:24 ↗ in 24th here and captain Traverse serve

1:25:28 ↗ default room okay

1:25:31 ↗ so we're going back to a Monday yes this

1:25:33 ↗ meeting was on a Wednesday because there

1:25:34 ↗ was a holiday on the Monday and then a

1:25:36 ↗ conflict on the Tuesday so the next

1:25:37 ↗ meeting for the transportation advisory

1:25:39 ↗ board will be Monday June 24th at 6:00

1:25:42 ↗ p.m. here in Council Chambers and if

1:25:44 ↗ you're unable to attend we would love to

1:25:46 ↗ have you attend because we always have

1:25:47 ↗ opportunities for public comment but you

1:25:50 ↗ can also watch it on IC TV or on the

1:25:53 ↗ YouTube channel for Issaquah and with

1:25:55 ↗ that I will adjourn this meeting at 7:00

1:25:59 ↗ 27:34 thank you

1:26:12 ↗ you

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Attendance

Council / Members (6)

Cynthia Krass

Nina Milligan

Kobi Sunday, (Youth Position)

Stephanie Salemann

Madeline Yeh

Emma Gruby

Staff (2)

Stephen Padua

Sheldon Lynne

Excused

Marisol Visser

Kyle Ochs

Sujata Goel

AJ McGauley

Tom McDonald