Transportation Advisory Board – Special Meeting · Wednesday, May 29, 2019 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Board Membership

packet pp.3

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Staff report:

Transportation Advisory Board About Created in 2017, this board — yet to be Staff Liaison initiated — will provide additional expertise and Stephen Padua, advice on the City’s transportation system and Senior Transportation Manager goals. Email Membership Regular Members The Transportation Advisory Board will be 2020 – Cynthia Krass comprised of nine regular members, and up to 2020 – Kyle Ochs three alternates. Initial terms will be staggered. 2021 – Tom McDonald All members are appointed by the Mayor and 2021 – Nina Milligan subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms 2021 – Kobi Sunday* expire April 30 of the year listed. For more 2022 – Sujata Goel information, see IMC 2.92. 2022 – Stephanie Salemann 2023 – AJ McGauley 2023 – Marisol Visser

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Mobility Master Plan Update

Director · 45 min · Stephen Padua, Senior Transportation Planner Kurt Seeman, Transportation Manager Sheldon Lynne, Public Works Engineering · packet pp.5–14

Topics: Transportation

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Policy Updates

Discussion · 40 min · Stephen Padua, Senior Transportation Planner Kurt Seeman, Transportation Manager · packet pp.15–28

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4. REPORTS

Staff Report

Chair Report

Youth Report

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0:27 ↗ this is the may 29 a meeting of the

0:30 ↗ transportation Advisory Board

0:32 ↗ my name is 9a Milligan I'm the vice

0:33 ↗ chair sitting in for chairman AJ

0:36 ↗ McCauley who is unable to join us this

0:39 ↗ evening but we have a full evening of

0:41 ↗ presentations from the staff tonight and

0:44 ↗ we'll have a couple more members coming

0:45 ↗ in but we thought we'd better get

0:47 ↗ started first I'm Colin meaning to order

0:51 ↗ now at 6:09 and our first order of

0:57 ↗ business might have been minutes but we

1:00 ↗ don't have any minutes to review this

1:01 ↗ evening I'll just give you a heads up

1:02 ↗ that we'll have two minutes to review

1:05 ↗ and approve next time we meet and then

1:09 ↗ the next item on our agenda is public

1:11 ↗ comments and I wonder if there's anybody

1:14 ↗ in public comments no public comments

1:16 ↗ this evening so we can go straight into

1:17 ↗ our agenda items the first of which is

1:19 ↗ the master mobility Plan Update and the

1:21 ↗ second is the policy updates and at this

1:24 ↗ time I'll turn it over to our staff of

1:27 ↗ from Public Works Steven Padua Thank You

1:31 ↗ Steven hi how's everybody doing get my

1:38 ↗ presentation up

1:49 ↗ all right can everybody hear me all

1:52 ↗ right now all right

1:57 ↗ so tonight I'm gonna give a update on

2:02 ↗ the mobility and master plan and and

2:04 ↗ talk about all those steps that we've

2:06 ↗ been taking to move the project forward

2:08 ↗ but also talk about some of the outreach

2:10 ↗ that we've been conducting in the month

2:11 ↗ of May and then also some of the

2:13 ↗ engagement that we're having with staff

2:15 ↗ because not only is this a big process

2:18 ↗ with the community but it's also a big

2:20 ↗ process with staff to educate staff on

2:24 ↗ new issues related to translation but

2:26 ↗ also how staff can better coordinate on

2:28 ↗ big projects and just as a reminder the

2:33 ↗ purpose of mobility master plan is to

2:35 ↗ create a long-range planning document

2:38 ↗ that consolidates all the city's

2:43 ↗ policies related to transportation to

2:45 ↗ give clear guidance to staff but also

2:48 ↗ the community on how we want to shape

2:50 ↗ the transportation system for future

2:52 ↗ City and in terms of our schedule you

2:58 ↗ have the schedules in front of you but

3:00 ↗ we are kind of in that transition phase

3:02 ↗ between the second and third phase of

3:05 ↗ this project where we are talking about

3:07 ↗ the guiding principles and the

3:10 ↗ priorities for transportation and now

3:12 ↗ looking at how to look at or looking at

3:15 ↗ policies programs and projects and

3:17 ↗ defining how the city should reshape the

3:21 ↗ transportation system

3:26 ↗ so as you can see we we've done a lot in

3:29 ↗ the month of May we hit up both of the

3:31 ↗ big transit centers we talked to a lot

3:34 ↗ of the transit riders as they're rushing

3:36 ↗ for the bus or waiting for the bus and

3:38 ↗ and handed out flyers to each of them

3:41 ↗ and in hopes of actually getting them to

3:43 ↗ fill out the survey online as their wait

3:46 ↗ either waiting for the bus or on the bus

3:48 ↗ and we found actually big spikes

3:50 ↗ probably 5060 people after every

3:53 ↗ attendance of each of the transit

3:55 ↗ centers which is pretty good at each of

3:57 ↗ them we had in probably close to 150

3:59 ↗ flyers but that's actually a good return

4:01 ↗ when you're considering all the people

4:04 ↗ that are just tossing the flyers once

4:06 ↗ they get to work we also went to the

4:09 ↗ farmers market which is the top right

4:11 ↗ picture is we went and handed out flyers

4:13 ↗ and and had people fill out a big poster

4:16 ↗ board with the activity sheet with a lot

4:18 ↗ of those same questions that are on the

4:20 ↗ online survey and talk to people about a

4:22 ↗ lot of the major projects as well as

4:24 ↗ what this plan does for the city and and

4:26 ↗ one of the interesting things that staff

4:29 ↗ would probably summarize around that

4:31 ↗ event is the majority of people that we

4:33 ↗ talked to didn't live in the city is

4:34 ↗ qualm also more Sammamish residents that

4:36 ↗ were going to the is koala farmers

4:38 ↗ market which was we thought was actually

4:40 ↗ really interesting and that was actually

4:42 ↗ consistent with a lot of the events that

4:44 ↗ we attended on this list a lot of the

4:48 ↗ people are coming from other cities too

4:49 ↗ is coiffeur a lot of the resources that

4:51 ↗ are in the city and I think that's going

4:53 ↗ to be an important aspect or element

4:56 ↗ that we'll need to consider as we're

4:57 ↗ putting this plan together this morning

5:01 ↗ went to the food and clothing bank and

5:03 ↗ talked to people handed out the survey a

5:06 ↗ few weeks ago we went to the kids rodeo

5:08 ↗ and spoke to families about how they

5:10 ↗ feel riding bikes or walking in the city

5:13 ↗ and and a lot of the feedback that we

5:16 ↗ got from the families was they just

5:18 ↗ don't feel safe going beyond their own

5:20 ↗ neighborhood and so they feel

5:22 ↗ disconnected from the rest of the city

5:24 ↗ and their feel forced to actually drive

5:26 ↗ their cars and then we've connected with

5:31 ↗ a lot of different community groups

5:32 ↗ we've sent out email blasts of about the

5:35 ↗ survey and the work that we're doing and

5:36 ↗ then we also been posting on social

5:38 ↗ media with a lot of these events that

5:39 ↗ we've been going

5:40 ↗ to let people know that that we're gonna

5:41 ↗ be there but also they can come talk to

5:43 ↗ us if they're available and then another

5:49 ↗ another event that we went to was

5:50 ↗ there's an English as a second language

5:52 ↗ class up in the highlands that we went

5:55 ↗ and spoke to a lot of the the students

5:58 ↗ in that class about issues they have

6:00 ↗ with being able to travel with in

6:03 ↗ Issaquah and we learned very similar

6:06 ↗ aspects as the the farmers market the

6:08 ↗ majority of the people in the class

6:09 ↗ actually were Sammamish residents they

6:11 ↗ were coming down to is a call because

6:14 ↗ they couldn't get the same resources in

6:16 ↗ their own City

6:25 ↗ and from this online survey itself one

6:29 ↗ of the big things that we're learning is

6:31 ↗ the three top principles that people are

6:35 ↗ supporting is improved mobility within a

6:37 ↗ prepare for growth and better

6:40 ↗ connect is called with the region with

6:42 ↗ closely behind promote environmental

6:44 ↗ sustainable model for transportation and

6:47 ↗ then the biggest issues that people

6:49 ↗ experience with the transportation

6:50 ↗ system is there aren't enough options to

6:53 ↗ get around and the available options

6:55 ↗ that they do have don't necessarily work

6:59 ↗ because of where they work or where they

7:00 ↗ live and that is from everybody that

7:03 ↗ staff has talked to I couldn't

7:05 ↗ consistent with all the feedback we've

7:07 ↗ been hearing not just from the survey

7:10 ↗ itself a couple of things that kind of

7:16 ↗ highlight from the online survey is

7:17 ↗ about 30% of the people that have filled

7:20 ↗ out the survey live outside of Sukhois

7:24 ↗ 55% of the people who fellow the survey

7:26 ↗ work outside of and on the other

7:29 ↗ end

7:29 ↗ 17% sent work in Issaquah and so this

7:33 ↗ there's a big disparity of people who

7:36 ↗ don't live and work in Issaquah that are

7:38 ↗ actually giving feedback on

7:39 ↗ transportation and expressing major

7:41 ↗ issues with being able to get around how

7:45 ↗ we're gonna be using the feedback is one

7:48 ↗ the direct feedback to the to the

7:50 ↗ guiding principles are going to help us

7:52 ↗ create a ranking of the guiding

7:53 ↗ principles which will help our

7:54 ↗ discussions later on either next month

7:58 ↗ or in July when we start start talking

8:01 ↗ about project criteria and also to start

8:04 ↗ talking about different performance

8:06 ↗ metrics that we'll use to help gauge how

8:09 ↗ we're doing down the line and then the

8:13 ↗ additional feedback that we receive will

8:16 ↗ also help our transition to the next

8:18 ↗ phase which is looking at the policies

8:20 ↗ project projects and programs for

8:24 ↗ example a lot of the feedback that we're

8:25 ↗ hearing is there's not enough transit

8:28 ↗ options and so the staff and the

8:31 ↗ consultant are going to take a look at

8:33 ↗ proposing policies or potential projects

8:35 ↗ to either boost reliability and service

8:39 ↗ the trans

8:39 ↗ serviced or worked with King County

8:41 ↗ Metro odd new projects to bring

8:43 ↗ additional transit services to the area

8:48 ↗ are they any questions before I move on

8:50 ↗ on the engagement part okay so on the

8:56 ↗ staff end of things

8:57 ↗ we've had several workshops with

9:00 ↗ consultant to work through some of the

9:01 ↗ topics that were being addressed in the

9:04 ↗ master plan we also had several tours we

9:07 ↗ visited the city of Kirkland and met

9:10 ↗ with some of their transportation staff

9:12 ↗ to talk about major projects in the city

9:14 ↗ of Kirkland as well as how they're

9:16 ↗ coordinating with their master plan

9:18 ↗ their version of the master plan as well

9:20 ↗ as coordinating with their land use

9:22 ↗ development Kirkland is like a lot of

9:26 ↗ the Eastside cities there's one of the

9:27 ↗ cities that are experienced a huge

9:29 ↗ amount of growth and even with having

9:32 ↗ policies and plans in place they're

9:35 ↗ still struggling to keep up and so it's

9:37 ↗ it's that's actually something that

9:38 ↗ we're hearing from all the cities when

9:41 ↗ we met with the city of Redmond and ina

9:43 ↗ pleased you were there you can please

9:45 ↗ add in your perspective from the tour we

9:49 ↗ talked with staff about all all the

9:51 ↗ plans that they use and and how

9:53 ↗ consistent they've been able to do or

9:55 ↗ how how can since they've been able to

9:57 ↗ stay with the plan as well as make

10:00 ↗ slight changes to the plan to fit how

10:02 ↗ the community is is adapting to the new

10:05 ↗ transportation system I don't know if

10:08 ↗ you have anything else that you want to

10:10 ↗ summarize from that well there was so

10:13 ↗ much that we learned but I would like to

10:14 ↗ share with the rest of the board

10:16 ↗ how how emphasized it was to get out in

10:21 ↗ front of the forces that be around us

10:25 ↗ not the least being Sound Transit and

10:28 ↗ light rail and that we are on schedule

10:31 ↗ we're not I believe at all early but we

10:35 ↗ need to do that get this work done

10:37 ↗ expediently so that we can let the rest

10:39 ↗ of the region know what it is that it's

10:41 ↗ important to us and that we have some

10:44 ↗ independence and making those decisions

10:45 ↗ now and I was really grateful for that

10:48 ↗ advice yeah one of the big takeaways

10:51 ↗ from staff is that

10:52 ↗ they each of the C's have kind of

10:55 ↗ established who they are in the

10:57 ↗ translation plans that they have and

11:02 ↗ throughout the years they've been able

11:05 ↗ to build a big support system with the

11:07 ↗ community as well as building regional

11:09 ↗ partnerships to help support what their

11:11 ↗ plan is is planned for and the type of

11:15 ↗ system that they wanted to have

11:17 ↗ established in the next 20-30 years and

11:19 ↗ it's been helpful but at the same time

11:21 ↗ they've still had to make changes to

11:23 ↗ what their plans have identified twenty

11:26 ↗ years ago so for the next phase we're

11:35 ↗ gonna be looking closely at policies

11:37 ↗ programs and projects and the way it'll

11:40 ↗ work is staff is gonna work with our

11:42 ↗ consultant to look through every the

11:44 ↗ different elements of the transportation

11:46 ↗ system what's in our transportation

11:48 ↗ element of the comprehensive plan and

11:50 ↗ look at new policies that align with the

11:53 ↗ guiding principles and what we'll do is

11:56 ↗ we're gonna bring a lot of those

11:57 ↗ policies programs and projects to the

12:01 ↗ tab at future meetings and talk through

12:04 ↗ whether or not something needs to be

12:07 ↗ changed or if actually we're meeting the

12:09 ↗ bill of what the guiding principles are

12:10 ↗ calling for and what we wanted to do is

12:14 ↗ talk - there seems to be some confusion

12:16 ↗ on the difference between a lot of

12:18 ↗ things and and rightfully so there's a

12:21 ↗ lot of overlap between what policies

12:23 ↗ programs and projects and other items we

12:27 ↗ will call standards and guidelines and

12:28 ↗ plans and and the biggest thing we just

12:33 ↗ wanted to run through some examples and

12:35 ↗ then take any questions on the

12:37 ↗ difference between a lot of them for the

12:39 ↗ example of policies well we have let's

12:42 ↗ say a street trees policy is for

12:45 ↗ specific corridors you have to install a

12:48 ↗ certain number of street trees a certain

12:50 ↗ width apart that is a policy we also

12:54 ↗ have a policy that we have we require

12:57 ↗ when a corridor is built or rebuilt that

12:59 ↗ a sidewalk is established on one side of

13:02 ↗ the street or both sides of street

13:03 ↗ depending on where the street is that

13:05 ↗ as a policy a program example is we have

13:09 ↗ a school pool program that's a

13:10 ↗ combination of multiple different

13:12 ↗ projects coming together of finding new

13:16 ↗ ways for students to get to school we

13:19 ↗ also have the city's restriping program

13:22 ↗ where we go to different streets to

13:25 ↗ maintain the remark or the markings on

13:28 ↗ the roadway

13:29 ↗ for projects we it could be any size

13:33 ↗ when we talk about projects it could be

13:35 ↗ the new newly redesigned Newport

13:37 ↗ corridor project or it could be a

13:40 ↗ smaller restriped maintenance or curb

13:45 ↗ update so putting in a new curb ramp

13:49 ↗ when we're talking about guidelines we

13:55 ↗ we don't always have policies or

13:57 ↗ standards that fit every situation so

14:00 ↗ guidelines are usually established when

14:02 ↗ to be have that flexibility of well when

14:05 ↗ a is in place you want to do X Y & Z and

14:09 ↗ so that is particularly where what

14:13 ↗ guidelines the type of guidelines that

14:15 ↗ we have and how we use them and then for

14:18 ↗ standards it's very specific of if you

14:20 ↗ have a road you need it needs to be this

14:22 ↗ wide and have these elements to it when

14:25 ↗ you build it and then for plans it is

14:28 ↗ really about putting together different

14:33 ↗ elements of how do you achieve a certain

14:35 ↗ vision and established in that vision

14:36 ↗ with the community are they any

14:42 ↗ questions before we move on okay

14:48 ↗ one of the questions that 9i and AJ

14:52 ↗ wanted us to talk about is why we always

14:56 ↗ have separate policies and the reason

14:59 ↗ for that is a lot of them need to be

15:00 ↗ clear and you can't have a policy on

15:04 ↗ street chee trees and bio filtration

15:08 ↗ systems all in one policy because it

15:10 ↗ just gets a little jumbled up and so

15:12 ↗ that's the reason why we're gonna be

15:14 ↗ looking at policies very specifically

15:16 ↗ and separately and not as one giant

15:19 ↗ policy now I'm gonna go to policy

15:33 ↗ project updates and for this

15:35 ↗ presentation this one is gonna we're

15:39 ↗ gonna walk through what each of the

15:40 ↗ policies are and I'm hoping to get

15:42 ↗ questions from you so we can talk

15:43 ↗ through and address any confusion around

15:47 ↗ because they are a little confusing and

15:50 ↗ then Sheldon's gonna help me give a

15:51 ↗ little bit of history on each of the

15:52 ↗ policies because he's been here longer

15:55 ↗ than I have so he can talk about more of

15:57 ↗ how they've been used or not used and

15:59 ↗ and probably help answer some of your

16:01 ↗ questions so three the main policies

16:11 ↗ that we're gonna be also working on this

16:12 ↗ year parallel with the mobility master

16:15 ↗ plan is our Complete Streets policy the

16:17 ↗ crossing guidelines and our traffic

16:19 ↗ traffic calming policy these are three

16:23 ↗ big policies that have been highlighted

16:25 ↗ by staff in the past that need to be

16:27 ↗ updated and we wanted to do we wanted to

16:30 ↗ get started on the mobility master plan

16:31 ↗ process and establish with those guiding

16:33 ↗ principles before getting started on

16:36 ↗ these policy updates

16:44 ↗ and in line with the schedule that you

16:47 ↗ have the the idea is is it's it's a

16:51 ↗ little flexible from what's in front of

16:53 ↗ you we wanted to start everything as

16:54 ↗ we're transitioning to this next phase

16:56 ↗ of the master plan but we're good really

16:58 ↗ going to be working on it for the next

16:59 ↗ year and it's not something that we're

17:01 ↗ wanting to work on now and figure out

17:03 ↗ now it's something where we're kind of

17:05 ↗ work through as we work through the

17:06 ↗ master plan I know I have a question

17:09 ↗ maybe you just said it and I wasn't

17:11 ↗ listening I was maybe reading how you

17:13 ↗ talk about these as three separate

17:14 ↗ policies will these be part of master

17:18 ↗ mobility plan are they going to remain

17:21 ↗ separate they will remain separate so

17:25 ↗ they're they're separate policies that

17:27 ↗ will be consistent with the mobility

17:30 ↗ master plan but they are separate from

17:31 ↗ the master plan itself

17:41 ↗ so our Complete Streets policy the

17:49 ↗ easiest way I wanted to describe what

17:51 ↗ the Complete Streets policy is was take

17:53 ↗ some language from this national

17:55 ↗ organization called Smart Growth America

17:56 ↗ they rate

17:59 ↗ Complete Streets policies throughout the

18:01 ↗ nation and rank them and provide

18:03 ↗ guidance on how to improve the policy

18:05 ↗ and what the policy does is it gives it

18:08 ↗ tells staff to routine routinely design

18:12 ↗ and operate the entire right of way to

18:17 ↗ be able to provide access for all users

18:20 ↗ and that is kind of the broadest

18:23 ↗ definition of the term of what the

18:25 ↗ Complete Streets policy does for us more

18:28 ↗ specifically it is more contact

18:31 ↗ sensitive so it's not oh it's not to go

18:35 ↗ every street and say we need to provide

18:36 ↗ sidewalk bike lanes and travel lanes and

18:39 ↗ bus lanes on every corridor it is we

18:43 ↗ need to look at each corridor uniquely

18:46 ↗ and think about what makes sense for our

18:49 ↗ transportation system the idea with a

18:53 ↗ good policy is that it improves equity

18:55 ↗ safety and public health and that for

18:58 ↗ every jurisdiction it's going to be

19:00 ↗ different so every city has at least but

19:02 ↗ most cities and Washington's they have

19:04 ↗ Complete Streets policies they all use

19:06 ↗ different language saying the same thing

19:12 ↗ this is our Complete Streets policy it's

19:16 ↗ this one sentence in comparison city of

19:20 ↗ Bellevue has probably I think it was

19:23 ↗ five or six pages of a Complete Streets

19:26 ↗ policy with multiple exceptions more

19:29 ↗ guidance on what goals we want to

19:30 ↗ accomplish more specifics of

19:32 ↗ methodologies we want they want to use

19:34 ↗ to achieve those goals and and the

19:38 ↗ different aspects of Complete Streets

19:39 ↗ and more guidance to staff of how to use

19:42 ↗ the policy itself as well part of the

19:47 ↗ reason why we wanted to update and then

19:50 ↗ shell that if you

19:54 ↗ if you can kind of describe a little bit

19:57 ↗ of the history of how the city has used

19:58 ↗ the policy so title 12.10 the Complete

20:05 ↗ Streets policy has been it was developed

20:09 ↗ because back in 2007 8 we were seeing

20:14 ↗ some facilities being constructed

20:16 ↗ without accommodating the bicycles and

20:18 ↗ pedestrian facilities and so while a

20:22 ↗ basic Complete Streets policy focused on

20:25 ↗ those two facilities the council from

20:27 ↗ that point forward created a line item

20:31 ↗ in the budget annually called Complete

20:33 ↗ Streets which that just identified that

20:37 ↗ we were to focus on non motorized type

20:39 ↗ of facilities and gave the

20:42 ↗ administration a certain amount of money

20:43 ↗ annually to try and do some relatively

20:46 ↗ inexpensive improvements to those two

20:49 ↗ modes of mobility Complete Streets is

20:52 ↗ really a policy it's a philosophy it's

20:54 ↗ not really a line item in a budget so

20:56 ↗ we're trying to get away from the

20:58 ↗ budgetary term Complete Streets and and

21:01 ↗ focus in more on a more global look at

21:06 ↗ how we spend that money towards all

21:08 ↗ users and so what this is this is really

21:10 ↗ an update to a very basic rudimentary

21:14 ↗ policy that as Steven alluded to with

21:18 ↗ the National Organization to focus on

21:21 ↗ all users of the right away not just

21:22 ↗ bikes and peds so it would include

21:25 ↗ transit and other elements of traffic

21:28 ↗ mobility as well well first of all does

21:33 ↗ anyone have a question about this

21:38 ↗ did you say that the organization rates

21:41 ↗ cities do you happen to know what the

21:44 ↗ rating is for our city our ranking was

21:47 ↗ twenty three point eight out of a

21:50 ↗ hundred not great and most most of the

21:55 ↗ points that we got was for the

21:58 ↗ exceptions that I didn't include on here

22:00 ↗ which is basically exceptions to the

22:05 ↗ rule situations where

22:06 ↗ this wouldn't apply thank you I'm not do

22:12 ↗ you know when that was taken into

22:14 ↗ account and if it has been re-evaluated

22:17 ↗ since they do an evaluation every two

22:20 ↗ years the ranking that I saw was from

22:23 ↗ 2016 and 2018 they did it ranking but I

22:27 ↗ couldn't find our ranking Bailey

22:29 ↗ they only listed the top 10 I have a

22:38 ↗ question and a comment first comment was

22:41 ↗ something that you just said the

22:43 ↗ exceptions we spend a few more words on

22:45 ↗ exceptions than we do on the policy if

22:47 ↗ you're talking about this mm-hmm

22:49 ↗ Sheldon to your comment about budgeting

22:54 ↗ does the Complete Streets policy impact

23:00 ↗ the obligation of developers to include

23:04 ↗ these things there isn't always a city

23:05 ↗ budget burden to fulfill them policies

23:10 ↗ objectives know the developer is

23:15 ↗ responsible to also build in accordance

23:18 ↗ with the city's policies it doesn't fall

23:20 ↗ to the city to do with the developers

23:22 ↗ responsible to do its the budget then

23:25 ↗ for retrofit or fixing older roads that

23:30 ↗ are not having new development on them

23:31 ↗ to bring them up to great or what is

23:33 ↗ that was the part of the budget part

23:35 ↗ historically the budget has been used

23:36 ↗ for you know small projects like there's

23:40 ↗ a missing link in a sidewalk or there's

23:44 ↗ a crossing that needs to be improved

23:45 ↗ their their mobility focused we've also

23:48 ↗ done some restring of roadways to narrow

23:51 ↗ up lanes provide for bike lanes things

23:54 ↗ like that that are relatively

23:55 ↗ inexpensive that's what the city has

23:56 ↗ been doing with its money and with the

24:02 ↗ with the creation of the ad a

24:04 ↗ transitional plan and so forth now that

24:07 ↗ money is also being used towards that

24:09 ↗ element of mobility because that's an

24:11 ↗ extremely important piece that you know

24:13 ↗ we've been missing over the years so

24:14 ↗ there's a number of things that are

24:16 ↗ transitioning us away from calling it

24:18 ↗ Complete Streets in the budget

24:20 ↗ to a more holistic viewpoint that's all

24:25 ↗ I have anything else yes go ahead

24:28 ↗ Stephen back to you and then as I'm

24:30 ↗ walking through each of these policies

24:32 ↗ if you have feedback on what you would

24:35 ↗ like it to look like I know this is all

24:38 ↗ very much new and will ask that question

24:40 ↗ again but if you have anything we are

24:43 ↗ accepting that now too because that'll

24:44 ↗ help us as we're talking about the

24:47 ↗ policies and kind of drafting them to

24:49 ↗ kind of have that in mind as we're

24:51 ↗ looking through this

24:52 ↗ well let's pause for a moment then and

24:54 ↗ look around and see if as you read about

24:56 ↗ the Complete Streets policy

24:58 ↗ did you already think were you inspired

25:01 ↗ or its some desire well I've been you to

25:04 ↗ have something different you mean this

25:08 ↗ poems policy you have any feedback for

25:09 ↗ them well I'm assuming that we're being

25:12 ↗ introduced to the idea of updating this

25:15 ↗ policy and that we'll be walking through

25:16 ↗ what that looks like so it's kind of

25:18 ↗ holding my comments on that content but

25:20 ↗ I but those sort of waiting this is it

25:23 ↗ though right

25:24 ↗ this is the current policy right now

25:26 ↗ this is what's getting updated he's

25:28 ↗ going to get some I was waiting until I

25:32 ↗ heard everything you had to say before

25:33 ↗ because I'm assuming that the some

25:35 ↗ groundwork is being laid for what it

25:37 ↗ should be looking like and then I was

25:39 ↗ gonna laugh cuz of course I have lots of

25:41 ↗ opinions about this but I was kind of

25:43 ↗ waiting to see whether you're gonna

25:44 ↗ introduce where it is heading before I

25:46 ↗ comment it do you have anything more to

25:48 ↗ say about this is it a blank slate at

25:50 ↗ this point we're at a blanks though

25:51 ↗ right now

25:52 ↗ we yeah good so I have a couple things

26:00 ↗ one is I mean I think this is a great

26:02 ↗ start honestly because non-motorized is

26:05 ↗ primarily bikes and peds and it's great

26:08 ↗ to even you know make that statement

26:11 ↗ obviously it's a bit thin and not very

26:14 ↗ specific but a couple things I mean I

26:19 ↗ shelled in you mentioned adding transit

26:21 ↗ obviously really making sure we're

26:22 ↗ eating our brains and make you know to

26:24 ↗ make sure we understand you know all the

26:26 ↗ different modes that we need to be

26:27 ↗ considering practically the other thing

26:29 ↗ is is that bikes have always been

26:33 ↗ much more of a mixed bag than they

26:36 ↗ always appear in a policy there's people

26:38 ↗ riding fast there's people riding slow

26:39 ↗ there's people learning to ride their

26:40 ↗ bike they're people riding to school or

26:42 ↗ not riding to school and I think it's

26:43 ↗ even more complicated with and there's

26:46 ↗ really really big safety implications

26:47 ↗ for whether somebody's using a sidewalk

26:49 ↗ or somebody using a bike lane and with

26:51 ↗ ebikes it's also changing so you might

26:54 ↗ have somebody going as fast as an

26:56 ↗ experienced cyclists but they don't have

27:00 ↗ the confidence they might be using the

27:01 ↗ you know the sidewalks and that creates

27:03 ↗ a tremendous safety issue with how you

27:05 ↗ enter a crosswalk so I just want to make

27:07 ↗ sure that we're when we expand like who

27:10 ↗ we mean that we need them to be complete

27:13 ↗ for that we're understanding all the

27:15 ↗ different dynamics so that's really

27:16 ↗ important the other thing is and maybe

27:18 ↗ this is elementary but I know that there

27:22 ↗ was a time in planning theory when

27:24 ↗ Complete Streets meant a space for

27:27 ↗ everybody and suddenly it took five

27:28 ↗ minutes to cross the street and if

27:30 ↗ you've ever driven in you know like Oh

27:33 ↗ some places in California some of these

27:35 ↗ suburban play I mean it's you know it's

27:38 ↗ a long way and so I assume that we've

27:40 ↗ learned those lessons and you know you

27:42 ↗ said maybe you narrow street so you can

27:44 ↗ fit a bike lane that sort of thing I'd

27:47 ↗ love to see us pushing that direction

27:49 ↗ where there's more integration and a not

27:51 ↗ bigger footprint I think that's a

27:53 ↗ important make sure we're up to speed on

27:56 ↗ the latest thinking in that because

27:59 ↗ there was I think a I think a wrong

28:01 ↗ direction that Complete Streets took but

28:03 ↗ that maybe nobody does that anymore I

28:05 ↗ don't know if you've ever been to some

28:07 ↗ of those places it's pretty crazy so

28:09 ↗ those were just some of the opening

28:10 ↗ comments and then yeah I have I guess

28:14 ↗ I'm also just started wondering what the

28:15 ↗ teeth is in this because and then

28:19 ↗ there's other facilities that Issaquah

28:21 ↗ has influence over but does an own State

28:24 ↗ you know the crossing of the yeah

28:27 ↗ especially the one that I'm particularly

28:28 ↗ interested at exit 18 which is it just a

28:31 ↗ terrible intersection when you're trying

28:34 ↗ to ride your bike or walk across there

28:36 ↗ so I guess I'm just sort of wondering

28:39 ↗ what it means to be included in the

28:41 ↗ planning I think we should elaborate on

28:42 ↗ that

28:47 ↗ and all that yeah yeah very good thank

28:52 ↗ you Cynthia when you're ready I'm gonna

28:54 ↗ go to Kobe yeah go ahead

28:56 ↗ so I just had a I just had a question on

28:59 ↗ what was the other city you mentioned

29:00 ↗ that had like five or six pages four

29:02 ↗ dedicates this city of Bellevue you

29:05 ↗ happen to know off the top of your head

29:06 ↗ what that is so obviously this is I

29:08 ↗ would say a good start but I wouldn't

29:10 ↗ say this is comprehensive I'm assuming

29:11 ↗ the five to six page is a lot more

29:12 ↗ comprehensive yeah what did they what

29:15 ↗ else did they include that we didn't

29:16 ↗ include in this they specifically

29:18 ↗ designed who all the users are and all

29:20 ↗ the different modes and and so they went

29:23 ↗ very comprehensive in terms of for

29:26 ↗ bicyclists these were the different

29:27 ↗ types of users we're trying to consider

29:29 ↗ for transit these are the type of user

29:31 ↗ so a really expanded what the

29:34 ↗ definitions were for everybody that uses

29:36 ↗ the the right-of-way so when we're

29:39 ↗ talking about updating this plan are we

29:41 ↗ looking to do something similar to that

29:42 ↗ where we very comprehensively define

29:45 ↗ everything get it to like that five or

29:46 ↗ six page length I wouldn't say that

29:49 ↗ we're aiming for the five to six page

29:50 ↗ length no like I said before each policy

29:55 ↗ is unique to each city and we're not

29:59 ↗ improving this to get a better ranking

30:01 ↗ we're improving this to make it more

30:02 ↗ useful for us to get to better achieve a

30:06 ↗ lot of what we're trying to do in the

30:07 ↗ mobility master plan and so it might be

30:10 ↗ five to six pages but it might just be

30:12 ↗ two to three pages it might be two pages

30:14 ↗ so it it really comes down to does it

30:16 ↗ really meet what we the staff and the

30:20 ↗ tri-state advisory board are comfortable

30:21 ↗ with of what a Complete Streets policy

30:23 ↗ will do for us is that that's your

30:26 ↗ question okay thank you

30:28 ↗ anyone else that's me I thank you

30:34 ↗ Cynthia for your comments plus one on

30:36 ↗ those and and you and about the multiple

30:41 ↗ users and the different kinds and to

30:43 ↗ consider them but I had also been

30:45 ↗ thinking about the word should in here

30:48 ↗ which is easy to not enforce if it

30:52 ↗ doesn't seem that important white and

30:54 ↗ just say should

30:55 ↗ if I think it's more important than that

30:57 ↗ and then we spend a lot of time talking

31:00 ↗ about the exceptions about when you're

31:01 ↗ not going to do it but we never talk

31:03 ↗ about or I don't see where where you are

31:06 ↗ going to do it when are you going to do

31:09 ↗ it and that was kind of my question

31:10 ↗ about development if I don't see

31:13 ↗ something here that says that when a

31:15 ↗ certain amount of redevelopment happens

31:17 ↗ near a transportation corridor then

31:20 ↗ something must be upgraded

31:23 ↗ maybe that's somewhere else but some

31:26 ↗ sort of language that triggers when this

31:29 ↗ sort of thing is going to happen would

31:31 ↗ be nice okay anything else on Complete

31:38 ↗ Streets from you guys I just have a

31:47 ↗ question to clarify are we focusing this

31:50 ↗ on main arterials and anything going you

31:55 ↗ know up to maybe residential streets

31:57 ↗ where you know aside from coldest acts

32:00 ↗ or are we just looking at every street

32:04 ↗ that could be impacted in the city it'll

32:07 ↗ be every Street impacted in this so our

32:09 ↗ full transportation network though how

32:12 ↗ we'll look at residential streets is

32:14 ↗ probably gonna be different how we'll

32:15 ↗ look at the different levels of

32:16 ↗ arterioles and is it important for us to

32:19 ↗ call that out in when we're stating this

32:23 ↗ you know that you know main arterioles

32:25 ↗ are obviously going to be a focus for

32:28 ↗ every possible option for a

32:30 ↗ transportation versus residential we're

32:32 ↗ thinking a little bit more along you

32:33 ↗ know do we have to worry about kids

32:35 ↗ getting to school on a bike or you know

32:37 ↗ less vehicles but other modes of

32:39 ↗ transportation being used more often - -

32:42 ↗ and tantor both your questions Nana or

32:44 ↗ kind of respond to your comment and

32:46 ↗ answer that question having more

32:47 ↗ language specific to that how we're

32:49 ↗ gonna how we the goals we want to handle

32:52 ↗ each of the different types of streets

32:54 ↗ helps with having that teeth for Java

32:56 ↗ development review but also a staff

32:59 ↗ review of each of the corridors

33:04 ↗ anything else Stephanie no thank you man

33:07 ↗ so do you have them no pretty good we're

33:11 ↗ all good thank you great feedback thank

33:13 ↗ you on to the next policy so that we

33:19 ↗ have the city has crossing guidelines

33:22 ↗ that were adopted back in 2008 that

33:25 ↗ define all of define all of our policies

33:30 ↗ related to crossing so specifically

33:34 ↗ where crossings go whether we mark them

33:36 ↗ with crosswalks the what type of

33:37 ↗ treatments we add to those crosswalks

33:40 ↗ what do we do with controlled vers

33:44 ↗ uncontrolled locations and I'll talk a

33:46 ↗ little bit more about what all that it

33:48 ↗ means and then also what our device

33:50 ↗ design standards and development review

33:52 ↗ standards are related to the crossings

33:54 ↗ and so that's where we have a little

33:56 ↗ more teeth on well where crossings go

33:59 ↗ and what goes in but being that this was

34:01 ↗ adopted ten years ago our standards are

34:05 ↗ a little behind and so we want to update

34:08 ↗ a lot of those standards you know it's a

34:10 ↗ lot more technical than policy but we

34:14 ↗ are actually having those discussions of

34:16 ↗ the policies to be more specific on

34:19 ↗ where the where crossings will go

34:22 ↗ what type of crossings will go on how

34:23 ↗ frequent one thing to note with all

34:32 ↗ crossings and a lot of how we control

34:35 ↗ the roadway we have to follow federal

34:37 ↗ standards and the federal said is that

34:39 ↗ we that specific to this is in the

34:41 ↗ manual for uniform traffic control

34:43 ↗ devices

34:44 ↗ I mean TCD for short so if you ever hear

34:47 ↗ that term this is what the

34:49 ↗ transportation engineer or planner is

34:51 ↗ referring to and that is specific

34:55 ↗ standards and guidelines on signage on

34:59 ↗ road markings so all the stripe being

35:01 ↗ you see on the roadways any paint that

35:03 ↗ you see on the roadway and signals so

35:05 ↗ whether it's the traffic signals at

35:07 ↗ intersections or those rapid flashing

35:09 ↗ beacons that you see at the crosswalks

35:11 ↗ this these federal get standards or

35:15 ↗ guidelines govern how

35:17 ↗ all that gets installed but where it's a

35:20 ↗ little more looser is when and how often

35:23 ↗ they get installed and that is more more

35:25 ↗ up to the local jurisdictions to

35:28 ↗ establish those type of policies yeah

35:34 ↗ please

36:21 ↗ how these crossings are applied or not

36:25 ↗ and so it's important for the public to

36:28 ↗ be able to have an expectation of oh we

36:31 ↗ have this condition we can expect this

36:33 ↗ to be installed

36:34 ↗ it also helps from the drivers

36:36 ↗ perspective you know they see

36:37 ↗ consistency along the roadway network so

36:40 ↗ they understand hey I can expect to see

36:43 ↗ these types of devices and I have to act

36:45 ↗ a certain way predictability and the

36:49 ↗ like is important for all people's

36:51 ↗ safety so so a lot of the that types of

37:00 ↗ crossings you'll see can be broken down

37:02 ↗ to two different categories of

37:05 ↗ uncontrolled crossing where there's you

37:07 ↗ there's no markings and no signage on

37:10 ↗ the roadway that's typically what you'll

37:11 ↗ see in residential neighborhoods with

37:13 ↗ unmarked crossings and then also where

37:17 ↗ there is a marked crosswalk it's also

37:20 ↗ not controlled if you're not it's it's

37:22 ↗ if you're not forcing requiring a driver

37:25 ↗ to stop it is an uncontrolled crosswalk

37:29 ↗ where intersection where it is

37:32 ↗ controlled is where you have a stop sign

37:33 ↗ or a signal actually requiring drivers

37:36 ↗ to stop and that that is the biggest

37:39 ↗ distinguish yes yeah let me ask about

37:42 ↗ this and see if I remember my lessons

37:44 ↗ from Issaquah Highlands but our drivers

37:47 ↗ required to stop for pedestrians who are

37:50 ↗ waiting even at an uncontrolled crossing

37:52 ↗ this their driver law that tells them to

37:55 ↗ do that do we have a local law there's a

38:00 ↗ state law that says that once the

38:02 ↗ pedestrian steps off the curb and enters

38:06 ↗ the crosswalk the driver is supposed to

38:09 ↗ stop there's some caveats to that

38:11 ↗ because the driver

38:12 ↗ the person isn't supposed to jump out

38:14 ↗ right in front of the car as it's right

38:16 ↗ there and doesn't give the driver an

38:17 ↗ opportunity to stop but yes for all

38:22 ↗ practical purposes even there that it's

38:25 ↗ still a Stephen said there are

38:27 ↗ controlled and uncontrolled if the

38:31 ↗ pedestrian approaches a controlled

38:33 ↗ crossing they can push a button and the

38:36 ↗ lights will change and the driver should

38:39 ↗ stop if they are on a different type of

38:44 ↗ crossing where it doesn't have any

38:46 ↗ devices that creates a red ball for the

38:49 ↗ driver and they they can still step off

38:52 ↗ the curb and the driver is supposed to

38:55 ↗ be able to stop but it's not controlled

38:58 ↗ thank you and that's I one of the

39:04 ↗ biggest reasons to bring this up is

39:06 ↗ those crosswalks where there's rapid

39:08 ↗ flashing beacons that actually is not

39:10 ↗ requiring drivers to stop that is a

39:12 ↗ warning signal to two drivers signalling

39:15 ↗ that a pedestrian is there wanting to

39:17 ↗ cross the that crosswalk and people

39:20 ↗ think that that signal is actually

39:22 ↗ requiring drivers and it's it's the

39:23 ↗ opposite it is more of a warning signal

39:26 ↗ more so than anything else for it to be

39:27 ↗ controlled requiring drivers to stop ask

39:30 ↗ me either a traffic signal or this

39:32 ↗ what's called a hawk signal which is not

39:35 ↗ necessarily an intersection with traffic

39:37 ↗ signals but it is what is the signal

39:39 ↗ giving drivers requiring drivers to stop

39:43 ↗ at the stop line and then there's also

39:47 ↗ stop signs which also require drivers to

39:49 ↗ stop at the intersection

39:54 ↗ and a lot of the special treatments that

39:57 ↗ we'll discuss in these crossing

39:59 ↗ guidelines are on here but also what I

40:02 ↗ also couldn't fit on here a lot of the

40:05 ↗ different treatments you show to either

40:07 ↗ give warnings to drivers that this is

40:11 ↗ crossing weather for bicyclists or

40:13 ↗ pedestrians but also to provide

40:17 ↗ different treatments for pedestrians so

40:20 ↗ in the upper right you have an island

40:22 ↗ that it becomes a two-stage crossing

40:24 ↗ where pedestrian or someone who is

40:26 ↗ crossing is able to stop in the middle

40:28 ↗ and take a break depending on the volume

40:32 ↗ of the traffic on the roadway that

40:34 ↗ that's actually could be very important

40:36 ↗ the bottom left is raised crossing

40:42 ↗ that's important because that is

40:43 ↗ actually lifting up the vehicles like a

40:46 ↗ speed hump almost forcing them to slow

40:49 ↗ down for the intersection and then the

40:52 ↗ bottom right is that rapid flashing

40:53 ↗ beacon that I thought up are there any

40:56 ↗ questions on the different type of

40:57 ↗ treatments Stephanie at this point does

41:03 ↗ the city tend to choose one over the

41:07 ↗ other or is it all specific to that

41:10 ↗ crossing point every every crossing is

41:14 ↗ unique a lot of these there's guidance

41:18 ↗ on when to use a lot of these but

41:20 ↗ there's not requirements on how to use

41:24 ↗ them or when to use them and so that is

41:26 ↗ that as part of the policy discussion

41:28 ↗ we'll have is well do we actually want

41:31 ↗ to require in specific situations to

41:35 ↗ require a rapid flashing beacon

41:36 ↗ crosswalk or two to put into policy and

41:40 ↗ we need to consider either rapid

41:43 ↗ flashing beacon or another type of

41:44 ↗ treatment in certain situations I guess

41:51 ↗ the my big question is how much does the

41:56 ↗ profession collectively know about the

41:59 ↗ effectiveness of all these different

42:01 ↗ treatments I mean obviously every

42:03 ↗ intersection is unique but

42:06 ↗ is there a lot of data is there a lot of

42:08 ↗ agreement about certain treatments and

42:13 ↗ practices I mean is it is it current is

42:16 ↗ it robust is there enough of it because

42:20 ↗ I think some of the times these things

42:21 ↗ can be counterintuitive you know you

42:23 ↗ take traffic circles for example people

42:25 ↗ complain about them but there's a lot of

42:27 ↗ data that show that there you can reduce

42:29 ↗ you know they can speed up traffic and

42:32 ↗ they can reduce collisions so people can

42:35 ↗ complain about them but they work like

42:37 ↗ so how much because I think this is one

42:38 ↗ of those things where I'm not sure how

42:41 ↗ much I trust intuition and I really

42:44 ↗ trust data if it should be trusted and

42:46 ↗ I'm curious about the sort of the state

42:49 ↗ of the profession and how much we know

42:51 ↗ about whether these things work whether

42:54 ↗ it's safety or promoting a sense of

42:56 ↗ safety which encourages more

42:57 ↗ participation or more usage that sort of

43:00 ↗ thing how much do we know there's data

43:02 ↗ on most of these device all of these

43:05 ↗ devices otherwise they wouldn't be

43:07 ↗ supported for either experimentation or

43:10 ↗ approval in the federal standards or at

43:12 ↗ federal guidelines but we always are

43:16 ↗ looking for more data the probably the

43:19 ↗ most of these treatments is going to be

43:22 ↗ the rapid flashing beacons in the bottom

43:24 ↗ right and and their effectiveness of

43:26 ↗ compliance of drivers actually stopping

43:28 ↗ and yielding for people crossing but

43:31 ↗ also for compliance for pedestrians

43:33 ↗ using them so one thing that I've seen

43:36 ↗ in some cities is in situations where

43:39 ↗ you have these rapid flashing beacons

43:41 ↗ the drivers become accustomed to seeing

43:42 ↗ them and they look for the lights not

43:46 ↗ for the pedestrians and so if the

43:47 ↗ pedestrian doesn't actually trigger the

43:49 ↗ signal the driver doesn't isn't

43:52 ↗ expecting the cross and so you have you

43:55 ↗ have to consider both situations of well

43:58 ↗ you can't just put rapid flashing

44:00 ↗ beacons in every location you really

44:02 ↗ ain't wanted in specific locations where

44:03 ↗ there's high-volume vehicles more so

44:06 ↗ than high-volume pedestrians because

44:08 ↗ there's also the expectation of driver

44:11 ↗ behavior that you have to take into

44:12 ↗ account

44:15 ↗ I would just encourage us to always be

44:18 ↗ asking that for objective information

44:23 ↗ rather than just it's so tempting me

44:24 ↗ like oh I like that one and can you tell

44:27 ↗ us a little bit about the one on the top

44:28 ↗ row in the middle I've never seen

44:29 ↗ anything like that before it's so it's

44:32 ↗ just a special crosswalk so it's it's

44:35 ↗ incorporating art as part of a crosswalk

44:37 ↗ and and it it's it's been of a debate on

44:40 ↗ the federal level its compliance or

44:44 ↗ compliance it's a legality and and how

44:48 ↗ much they want to allow that so in like

44:52 ↗ cities Seattle you'll see piano keys as

44:55 ↗ part of the crosswalk where you'll see I

45:00 ↗ can't remember the other art

45:02 ↗ installations they have but you'll see

45:04 ↗ different types of crosswalks over in

45:05 ↗ the city of Seattle and and then even

45:07 ↗ city of Boston they have different types

45:08 ↗ of ones relating to art whether it's

45:11 ↗ historical art relating to something in

45:15 ↗ the close proximity or if the

45:17 ↗ neighborhood has something as part of

45:19 ↗ its history that they want to

45:20 ↗ incorporate as part of the restriping

45:22 ↗ but there are requirements on the

45:23 ↗ federal level that you still need to buy

45:25 ↗ advice for instance when you have a

45:28 ↗ specific crosswalk that has like the

45:30 ↗ solid bars

45:30 ↗ you can't impede those solid white bars

45:34 ↗ in any way so the art actually has to

45:35 ↗ work around it

45:36 ↗ then actually cover it and that is

45:40 ↗ what's been been decided to be allowed

45:42 ↗ as part of federal guidance that was

45:48 ↗ probably more than what your question

45:49 ↗ was but mm-hmm or there I saw unless one

45:54 ↗ way it's oof interview everybody I have

45:57 ↗ one question about these and I think I

46:00 ↗ heard you say that in our policies we

46:03 ↗ don't have any minimum or requirements

46:06 ↗ that say when you have to use any of

46:09 ↗ these there's no standard or bar that

46:11 ↗ says when this then you got to do that

46:14 ↗ we go ahead children you're correct

46:19 ↗ there's no thou shalt use this type of

46:21 ↗ device in these conditions and so forth

46:24 ↗ what we have is adopted guidelines

46:27 ↗ that we are able to look at the most

46:29 ↗ current literature and research we are

46:31 ↗ able to use some engineering judgment

46:34 ↗ where you look at it as the guidelines

46:39 ↗ may give you some approximations as to

46:43 ↗ when you use it volume to traffic speed

46:45 ↗ of traffic volumes of pedestrians

46:47 ↗ there's a multitude of different things

46:50 ↗ that go into the guidelines and the

46:53 ↗ there's always the engineering judgment

46:55 ↗ of you know is this a place where does

46:57 ↗ it meet driver expectation you know are

47:00 ↗ the pedestrians really going to you know

47:02 ↗ there's a whole lot of things that go

47:04 ↗ into do you use a device at a certain

47:06 ↗ location or not

47:08 ↗ hopefully the update of the guidelines

47:10 ↗ will get us closer to the Dow shall but

47:13 ↗ again you want to be able to provide for

47:16 ↗ opportunity to use latest data and

47:18 ↗ things like that because this crosses

47:20 ↗ comment about you know just saying well

47:22 ↗ it feels good to put it in over here

47:23 ↗ that's one of the issues that we have

47:25 ↗ today is that a lot of people engineers

47:29 ↗ included will say aw we should do this

47:31 ↗ here it's like what do you mean you know

47:34 ↗ it's just like doesn't mean any criteria

47:36 ↗ you know and so those conversations are

47:39 ↗ almost daily you know in the industry

47:42 ↗ and so in updating these guidelines is

47:45 ↗ very important and some input and

47:47 ↗ guidance from the tab on these sorts of

47:49 ↗ things is going to be important I think

47:52 ↗ that opportunities were not to paint a

47:57 ↗ broad brush but where you could install

47:58 ↗ a shell so that you have that okay this

48:01 ↗ is one of those things that's very

48:03 ↗ important I'm not saying when or where

48:04 ↗ that is but it would be nice to

48:06 ↗ determine that there are some places

48:08 ↗ where it's very important to do

48:09 ↗ something like the mid-block crossing on

48:11 ↗ i-90 ask about the mid-block crossing

48:15 ↗ because it inspired me to ask about

48:17 ↗ another jurisdiction when you have such

48:20 ↗ policies how would they apply to

48:21 ↗ something like SR 900 the portion of SR

48:27 ↗ 900 that is under the city's control is

48:30 ↗ south of Newports way that is a state

48:34 ↗ highway that because of our population

48:36 ↗ we would then be able to apply them

48:39 ↗ anything

48:40 ↗ that is Newport basically north of

48:43 ↗ Tibbets Creek - all the way through to

48:46 ↗ 12th Avenue signal is in the high 90

48:48 ↗ limited access and control by FHWA and

48:51 ↗ wash dot so we would have no influence

48:53 ↗ on that we can try and influence them

48:55 ↗ and have those conversations but

48:57 ↗ technically it is their operational

49:00 ↗ facility and we don't control it thank

49:04 ↗ you for that anything else about special

49:07 ↗ crossings before we move on any feedback

49:10 ↗ on what you would like to see whether

49:12 ↗ it's treatments you've seen in other

49:14 ↗ areas or things to you would like to

49:16 ↗ have us discuss as we're looking through

49:19 ↗ the policies I would like to see more of

49:24 ↗ the utensil type crossings I really like

49:29 ↗ art I do and I think that having

49:31 ↗ something unique would get drivers to

49:35 ↗ slow down especially and kind of look at

49:37 ↗ it more mm-hmm I think it's a really

49:39 ↗ effective way of mixing art culture and

49:42 ↗ safety so I would prefer to see more of

49:46 ↗ those type of crossings in our city okay

49:56 ↗ I would just like to make sure that we

50:01 ↗ focus on continuity and I'm sure you're

50:03 ↗ already doing this but you know that

50:06 ↗ figure that you said up 25 percent was

50:08 ↗ our rating and I kept thinking about I

50:10 ↗ wonder what it would be if you you know

50:11 ↗ were able to segment that by

50:12 ↗ neighborhood I mean we should be sick we

50:15 ↗ should I think we should I don't know

50:19 ↗ how exactly to apply this equitably but

50:24 ↗ let's invest where there's already let's

50:27 ↗ say topographical or land use reasons

50:30 ↗ that people might be using these

50:32 ↗ facilities it just seems if it gets if

50:35 ↗ you're sort of a mile wide and an inch

50:37 ↗ deep and just sort of do a mediocre job

50:39 ↗ everywhere that you won't be protecting

50:41 ↗ your investment versus rolling it out

50:44 ↗ we're really focusing or making the

50:47 ↗ shells more strict where we know that

50:49 ↗ there's like I said topographical and

50:52 ↗ other land use features that are gonna

50:55 ↗ encourage that are more naturally gonna

51:00 ↗ be used by non-motorized I don't know I

51:02 ↗ just want to make sure we do well where

51:04 ↗ we do it and not just peanut butter

51:06 ↗ spread across the whole thing yeah

51:13 ↗ that's sort of what I was thinking about

51:15 ↗ where we have opportunities with the

51:18 ↗ central Issaquah plan or the urban

51:20 ↗ center urban growth center to have more

51:23 ↗ shells maybe more shells and places like

51:26 ↗ old town places that are very with old

51:30 ↗ town is already pedestrian heavy we hope

51:33 ↗ that the urban growth center will be a

51:35 ↗ pedestrian place and to lay that

51:37 ↗ investment in the real dense core of it

51:40 ↗ maybe those geographical definitions

51:46 ↗ allow for places where we could be

51:48 ↗ stricter that's an idea and another zone

51:51 ↗ that I think could be added to that and

51:54 ↗ it might already be in the urban growth

51:55 ↗ center is anything that's bordering the

51:57 ↗ state park or major trailheads

52:01 ↗ as other heavily pedestrian or other

52:06 ↗ users or crossings

52:09 ↗ yeah trail crossings connections with

52:11 ↗ parks already didn't identify his staff

52:14 ↗ as Pedro policy discussions or points

52:17 ↗ that we'll have as part of this update

52:21 ↗ definitely you said briefly that the

52:25 ↗ kind of artistic cross crossing options

52:28 ↗ are kind of it's almost gray area with

52:32 ↗ federal where does that put us if you

52:35 ↗ know if we say okay find in portrayal

52:38 ↗ heads or parks and maybe old town or you

52:41 ↗ know if we want to incorporate a little

52:43 ↗ bit more art but still use the crossing

52:45 ↗ efficiently how does that affect that

52:48 ↗ decision-making if it's still kind of

52:50 ↗ gray area with federal it's so when I

52:55 ↗ say gray area is it's like not all art

52:57 ↗ is being approved as part of the

52:59 ↗ crosswalks there's very specific

53:01 ↗ guidelines you have to follow but even

53:03 ↗ those guidelines are changing at the

53:05 ↗ federal level as they can as more and

53:07 ↗ more of these installations go out

53:08 ↗ throughout the country and more data

53:10 ↗ kind of goes behind of what's impacting

53:13 ↗ the sight line and the visualization of

53:16 ↗ these items and being able to actually

53:19 ↗ control traffic so every installations

53:23 ↗ gonna we're just gonna have to look at

53:24 ↗ it uniquely and and specifically in

53:27 ↗ every situation but it I don't think we

53:30 ↗ need to be afraid and not do it and stay

53:33 ↗ away from it I think we will just need

53:36 ↗ to be able to look at each one closely

53:38 ↗ to make sure that we're not falling out

53:41 ↗ of that gray area and we're staying kind

53:43 ↗ of in the guidelines at the federal

53:45 ↗ level I do think then we should call out

53:48 ↗ maybe specifically if we choose to use

53:51 ↗ something more along that lines that you

53:54 ↗ know it's specific to very certain areas

53:58 ↗ or we're using it intentionally you know

54:00 ↗ for trail heads or parks or downtown for

54:03 ↗ maybe just wayfinding that's we're

54:05 ↗ including the wayfinding in those

54:07 ↗ crossings I don't know if that's too

54:10 ↗ specific but maybe that should be a

54:11 ↗ shell in just how we're assuming people

54:16 ↗ are moving around the city or within the

54:18 ↗ mountains that we've created okay

54:21 ↗ I should add one more thing to the list

54:30 ↗ and you know I said the urban growth

54:32 ↗ center in Old Town and trail crossings

54:35 ↗ and trail heads but also the urban

54:38 ↗ villages okay okay if there's not

54:52 ↗ anything else I'll move on all right and

54:55 ↗ this won't be the first time we'll be

54:57 ↗ asking this question well we as we kind

54:59 ↗ of draft new language we will come back

55:01 ↗ to the tab of a is does this meet what

55:05 ↗ the feedback that you had given us

55:07 ↗ before and these are the considerations

55:08 ↗ of how we drafted it so the last policy

55:12 ↗ that we'll talk about tonight is their

55:13 ↗ traffic calming policy this was a policy

55:16 ↗ that was put together and adopted back

55:18 ↗ in 2003 with seven major objectives

55:21 ↗ which includes slower slowing speeds and

55:25 ↗ neighborhoods reducing collisions

55:27 ↗ increasing the perception of safety

55:29 ↗ preference to local residents that live

55:32 ↗ in those neighborhoods and reduction of

55:35 ↗ reduction of need of police enforcement

55:39 ↗ to make it more intuitive design

55:41 ↗ enhancing the street environment and

55:44 ↗ then also increasing access for all

55:46 ↗ modes users through the neighborhood's

55:49 ↗ it's you I think I gave you each a

55:52 ↗ pamphlet with our traffic calming

55:54 ↗ program with each of the two details and

55:57 ↗ the elements of the traffic fault

55:59 ↗ traffic calming policy the main thing to

56:02 ↗ note with the traffic law policy is that

56:05 ↗ there's two defined phases for traffic

56:09 ↗ calming the first phase includes citizen

56:12 ↗ requests as well as the traffic analysis

56:15 ↗ and that could be a process that can

56:17 ↗ take six months to a year that is the

56:19 ↗ initial stages of figuring out what the

56:23 ↗ issue is and then also going through

56:25 ↗ several steps and evaluating different

56:27 ↗ tools that the city offers on addressing

56:32 ↗ a lot of the issue and

56:34 ↗ so there's a lot of Education and a lot

56:36 ↗ of enforcement that comes out of that

56:37 ↗ first phase the second phase is where

56:41 ↗ you now do evaluation of the first phase

56:43 ↗ and then you also do traffic further

56:46 ↗ traffic analysis with speed counts

56:48 ↗ volume data and look at whether or not

56:51 ↗ engineered solution is warranted in that

56:54 ↗ situation and it is only in that second

56:58 ↗ phase to where you look at engineered

57:00 ↗ solutions in that first phase that is

57:02 ↗ where you are kind of sticking to the

57:04 ↗ education and enforcement portion of the

57:06 ↗ traffic calming policy any questions on

57:11 ↗ the process its outlined I think on the

57:14 ↗ back page front page of the pamphlet

57:17 ↗ that you have if you could go back one

57:21 ↗ slide I have a question about the

57:23 ↗ objectives sure maybe it's just in the

57:27 ↗ translation but the third bullet point

57:29 ↗ that says increased perception of safety

57:31 ↗ seems slightly unsatisfying to me am I

57:36 ↗ missing something there it was not

57:39 ↗ really safer it just seems like it's

57:40 ↗ safer no it was the full sentence was to

57:43 ↗ increase the perception of safety of

57:45 ↗ non-motorized users on the corridor and

57:47 ↗ that is that the the perception of

57:51 ↗ safety is is relative to each individual

57:54 ↗ and that was what that like which was

57:56 ↗ getting at everybody perceived safety a

57:59 ↗ little bit differently and that is part

58:02 ↗ of why it was being called out as part

58:04 ↗ of the objectives because engineering

58:07 ↗ standards of what defines or what

58:09 ↗ warrants safety improvements is

58:12 ↗ different than people's perception of

58:13 ↗ what doesn't feel safe and so though I

58:16 ↗ think that is why that language was

58:18 ↗ called out as part of the objectives

58:22 ↗ Cobie and then Cynthia I was just gonna

58:26 ↗ ask how many requests you usually get

58:29 ↗ every year for this program if you

58:33 ↗ happen to know

58:37 ↗ I'm gonna turn to Sheldon to answer that

58:39 ↗ I don't have an exact number we do get a

58:42 ↗ number of citizens submit requests for

58:47 ↗ we think the traffic speeding through

58:49 ↗ our neighborhood would like you to come

58:51 ↗ out and take speed counts things like

58:53 ↗ that we do get quite a bit of that a lot

58:56 ↗ of times the data comes back and there's

58:59 ↗ engineering standards as Steven referred

59:01 ↗ to of you know it's like if the 80 85

59:06 ↗ percent of the people are traveling

59:07 ↗ within you know five miles per hour

59:10 ↗ above the speed limit that's really not

59:12 ↗ an issue because you can have anomalies

59:14 ↗ that can drive that up and just the

59:16 ↗ other way around you could have it to

59:17 ↗ drive it down and so the that may be

59:21 ↗ perceived by those people as being a

59:23 ↗ safety issue but in the world out there

59:27 ↗ it's really not that's a normal thing

59:31 ↗ that people drive within five miles per

59:33 ↗ hour over the speed limit so but we do

59:35 ↗ get a number of requests and we do

59:36 ↗ investigate each and every one of them I

59:39 ↗ think you know I was just gonna say I

59:44 ↗ think increasing the perception of

59:46 ↗ safety is really important because

59:47 ↗ people are going to feel more confident

59:49 ↗ engaging and you know participating in

59:51 ↗ different modes if they feel safe and

59:55 ↗ the more people that do it to safe or

59:56 ↗ it's going to become so I think I don't

59:59 ↗ think it should be instead of improving

1:00:02 ↗ safety but I think that it is a

1:00:03 ↗ different concept and I think it's a

1:00:05 ↗ very important one mm-hmm yeah I think

1:00:10 ↗ if I saw a bullet point that said that

1:00:13 ↗ an objective was that it was safer and

1:00:15 ↗ that people felt safer that would be

1:00:19 ↗ more satisfying to me indeed any other

1:00:23 ↗ questions here I could share here might

1:00:28 ↗ be appropriate that Issaquah Highlands

1:00:31 ↗ had started process in this in our

1:00:34 ↗ neighborhood and have gone through some

1:00:37 ↗ interesting rounds of evaluation and

1:00:39 ↗ coming back with the city and it's an

1:00:41 ↗ ongoing process it's something that

1:00:43 ↗ takes a lot of work and it does take a

1:00:45 ↗ lot of time trying to blend ADA with

1:00:48 ↗ people's needs and getting

1:00:50 ↗ understanding from the residents what is

1:00:54 ↗ actually happening and their perceptions

1:00:56 ↗ and then matching that to what the data

1:00:59 ↗ says and then figuring out where to go

1:01:00 ↗ from there

1:01:02 ↗ and Oldtown it's another good example I

1:01:05 ↗ think isn't it working on that yes Old

1:01:09 ↗ Town is was another major effort

1:01:21 ↗ forgetting where it was all right but I

1:01:23 ↗ think what I was gonna talk about was

1:01:24 ↗ how I'm sorry Coby did you have a

1:01:28 ↗ question yeah just really quick okay um

1:01:31 ↗ so I understand the other two policies

1:01:34 ↗ exactly what you wanted us to update you

1:01:35 ↗ on this to be more comprehensive with

1:01:37 ↗ the first one being more specific with

1:01:38 ↗ the second one do you know is there a

1:01:40 ↗ specific something that was specifically

1:01:42 ↗ that was trying to update with this one

1:01:44 ↗ or is it just kind of the whole thing

1:01:45 ↗ general

1:01:46 ↗ so with this policy because of the

1:01:50 ↗ issues the cities have had using this

1:01:52 ↗ policy where we're looking to overhaul

1:01:54 ↗ the whole policy and that is to revisit

1:01:57 ↗ the idea of one what is the community

1:02:01 ↗ actually want when it comes to traffic

1:02:03 ↗ calming or neighborhood safety or

1:02:05 ↗ neighborhood projects they're just

1:02:07 ↗ opening kind of a bigger discussion of

1:02:09 ↗ what starting on the ground what does

1:02:11 ↗ the community want and then working

1:02:14 ↗ towards do we establish a traffic

1:02:17 ↗ calming program and really look at what

1:02:21 ↗ this process should be so what the

1:02:23 ↗ policy should be related to traffic

1:02:24 ↗ calming and also update what the

1:02:28 ↗ different devices that are gonna be

1:02:30 ↗ available right now it's because this

1:02:31 ↗ policy was put together back in 2003 the

1:02:34 ↗ number of devices is fairly limited so

1:02:37 ↗ there have been I'm different and a new

1:02:41 ↗ number of tools are available to us now

1:02:43 ↗ when it comes to traffic calming and so

1:02:45 ↗ that we want to update that aspect of

1:02:47 ↗ the policy as well thank you I'd like to

1:02:50 ↗ add a little more to that

1:02:53 ↗ so there is one major area also that

1:02:58 ↗ we've had conflicts with the communities

1:03:01 ↗ over and that's in dealing with the

1:03:03 ↗ installation of engineering devices like

1:03:06 ↗ speed humps chicanes and other types of

1:03:09 ↗ tools that are used the slow traffic

1:03:10 ↗ divert traffic keep it going a little

1:03:12 ↗ bit slower I and that is in the current

1:03:16 ↗ program it requires 70% of the people in

1:03:19 ↗ the neighborhood to say yes I want that

1:03:21 ↗ type of facility I that's been a very

1:03:24 ↗ tough burden to achieve and so there's

1:03:28 ↗ been a lot of internal should say

1:03:30 ↗ internal but conversation within the

1:03:32 ↗ neighborhoods where we've engaged and

1:03:35 ↗ it's been mixed very very difficult to

1:03:39 ↗ get 70% so that's one of the major

1:03:42 ↗ policy arenas that we'd like to focus in

1:03:45 ↗ on there you know is it something less

1:03:46 ↗ is 70% good when these guidelines were

1:03:51 ↗ adopted most of our joining agencies and

1:03:55 ↗ so forth we're using the 70 percent mark

1:03:57 ↗ and so to me that's a solid conversation

1:04:01 ↗ to have you know are we at the right

1:04:03 ↗ place

1:04:03 ↗ should it be something less because we

1:04:06 ↗ don't want it to be so burdensome that

1:04:08 ↗ the answer is always no but yet we also

1:04:11 ↗ want to have it so that after the

1:04:13 ↗ devices go in we don't get half the

1:04:15 ↗ neighborhood coming back going hey can

1:04:17 ↗ you take it out now

1:04:17 ↗ because these things cost money and some

1:04:22 ↗ of them are really noisy you know

1:04:24 ↗ there's there's a number of different

1:04:25 ↗ reasons why we want to have this you

1:04:27 ↗ know policy looked at thank you were

1:04:33 ↗ there any questions before so one of the

1:04:38 ↗ actually show that maybe you could talk

1:04:40 ↗ a little more on the history of how this

1:04:43 ↗ policy has been used and what what's

1:04:45 ↗ changed more recently to lead us to

1:04:47 ↗ really want to overhaul the policy well

1:04:51 ↗ the policy you know we have gone through

1:04:54 ↗ the different phases when we get a

1:04:55 ↗ request for if there's a speeding

1:04:58 ↗ problem or people just call us and say

1:05:00 ↗ hey I want speed humps we'll go through

1:05:02 ↗ the data collection analyze it work with

1:05:05 ↗ the neighbor

1:05:06 ↗ and the policy that I just referenced

1:05:08 ↗ about getting 70% to buy into a type of

1:05:11 ↗ device that's been where it's been so

1:05:15 ↗ burdensome that the answer has pretty

1:05:16 ↗ much been no all the time we do have

1:05:19 ↗ certain streets in the city that the

1:05:22 ↗ policy is clear that we cannot install

1:05:24 ↗ these devices like a bun squawk Mountain

1:05:26 ↗ you know on the steeper Hills because we

1:05:28 ↗ just talked about snow plowing fire

1:05:31 ↗ trucks there's a number of reasons why

1:05:33 ↗ we don't want him on the steeper Hills

1:05:37 ↗ but what we did recently in the past 3

1:05:42 ↗ to 5 years and working with the old town

1:05:44 ↗ area is we actually piloted a program we

1:05:49 ↗ went to the city went ahead and

1:05:51 ↗ purchased some temporary speed humps we

1:05:53 ↗ built some temporary little traffic

1:05:55 ↗ circles we did a number of different

1:05:56 ↗ things so that the community could try

1:05:58 ↗ it out rather than saying well we need

1:06:00 ↗ 70% to say this is what you want we

1:06:03 ↗ experimented that pilot program took us

1:06:06 ↗ about a year and a half and a little bit

1:06:08 ↗ over $300,000 but hopefully that'll help

1:06:11 ↗ inform us and maybe that's the policy

1:06:14 ↗ going forward is that when you have a

1:06:15 ↗ large area we do a pilot program rather

1:06:19 ↗ than saying you have to have X percent

1:06:22 ↗ there's a number of different

1:06:23 ↗ alternatives that can be discussed and

1:06:25 ↗ you know advice given from the tab on

1:06:28 ↗ what's the best way to approach these

1:06:29 ↗ things hopefully that answered the

1:06:32 ↗ question I'm just speaking from

1:06:36 ↗ experience with that pilot program I

1:06:38 ↗ live on 2nd and Andrews and so I saw

1:06:41 ↗ like 10 different options or maybe 8

1:06:43 ↗ different options put on three different

1:06:45 ↗ blocks and just living there as a part

1:06:48 ↗ of the community it was great because I

1:06:49 ↗ could go try them all out within a mile

1:06:53 ↗ of my house and decide what I honestly

1:06:55 ↗ thought would be safest for especially

1:06:58 ↗ you know high school kids trying to cut

1:06:59 ↗ through my neighborhood or you know my

1:07:02 ↗ next-door neighbors that's 75 years old

1:07:04 ↗ that maybe wants to walk half the time

1:07:05 ↗ and try and drive the other half can

1:07:07 ↗ they see what movement is so I think

1:07:10 ↗ that is definitely something that we

1:07:11 ↗ should seriously consider granted it

1:07:15 ↗ costs a little bit more money in the

1:07:17 ↗ front end of things

1:07:19 ↗ but I think it might spike community

1:07:21 ↗ involvement if you know they're forced

1:07:24 ↗ to try two or three different options on

1:07:26 ↗ two blocks just verb okay I forget how

1:07:29 ↗ long it was maybe eight weeks six weeks

1:07:31 ↗ it wasn't very long but I think that's

1:07:35 ↗ something just from experience and

1:07:37 ↗ seeing it would be definitely worth

1:07:39 ↗ something putting down on paper okay

1:07:43 ↗ anybody else about that I have one

1:07:47 ↗ question still looking around Sheldon I

1:07:51 ↗ wanted to ask about police enforcement

1:07:53 ↗ as part of this and then I wanted to ask

1:07:55 ↗ about speeds as Issaquah or urban Isis

1:08:00 ↗ intensifies we've had 25 mile an hour

1:08:03 ↗ roads everywhere which means as per what

1:08:06 ↗ you just said you can go 30 which

1:08:08 ↗ wouldn't be appropriate as we get more

1:08:10 ↗ and more dense can we put the city look

1:08:13 ↗ into lower speed limits which I know

1:08:15 ↗ then speaks to the enforcement thing

1:08:17 ↗ what about what about speeds there are

1:08:23 ↗ some are CW's that limit how far you can

1:08:29 ↗ reduce the speeds

1:08:29 ↗ I believe there's only limited

1:08:33 ↗ circumstances where the our CW's would

1:08:36 ↗ allow a municipality to go down the 20

1:08:38 ↗ mile per hour but I don't have those up

1:08:41 ↗ in my head pretty much it's 25 mile per

1:08:44 ↗ hour is the minimum speed that a

1:08:45 ↗ municipality can set unless there's

1:08:48 ↗ extenuating circumstances and I believe

1:08:50 ↗ those are tip don't quote me as being

1:08:53 ↗ all-inclusive here but I believe those

1:08:55 ↗ are mostly focused on narrow alleyways

1:08:57 ↗ not on the normal streets and one thing

1:09:04 ↗ to consider now I add on to Shawn's

1:09:06 ↗ answer is there's one thing to consider

1:09:07 ↗ about speed reduction is also driver

1:09:11 ↗ compliance so you can reduce you can

1:09:14 ↗ change the signs and reduce the speeds

1:09:16 ↗ of 20 and let's say legislation is there

1:09:17 ↗ allows us to change it you still need

1:09:21 ↗ drivers to follow it and so you still

1:09:24 ↗ have that balance of well you have to

1:09:26 ↗ actually have the engineering

1:09:27 ↗ infrastructure built to intuitively

1:09:30 ↗ force drivers to drive

1:09:32 ↗ speed and so if drivers are going beyond

1:09:35 ↗ the speed limit is only because the

1:09:37 ↗ roadway has been engineered that way

1:09:39 ↗ allowing them to feel comfortable to go

1:09:42 ↗ that speed and so that is part of the

1:09:43 ↗ consideration so it's not enough to just

1:09:45 ↗ lower the speed limit you also have to

1:09:47 ↗ put in some engineering solutions to

1:09:49 ↗ support it as well yeah I can see how

1:09:51 ↗ that would go hand-in-hand one without

1:09:54 ↗ the other though I would say as an

1:09:57 ↗ izakaya Highlander the we have a lot of

1:10:00 ↗ traffic calming in our design street

1:10:03 ↗ parking narrow streets all these sorts

1:10:05 ↗ of things and still people will drive

1:10:07 ↗ fast and so it they seem to not work on

1:10:11 ↗ their own are still needs to be

1:10:14 ↗ something else my point so what was

1:10:27 ↗ going to talk about next was the

1:10:28 ↗ different type of devices that are

1:10:29 ↗ available that we haven't really

1:10:31 ↗ explored in the city as quad and I mean

1:10:34 ↗ the the upper left being speed humps the

1:10:36 ↗ basic ones that you will see in most

1:10:39 ↗ toolboxes but upper middle one being

1:10:43 ↗ called Street murals and it's more of a

1:10:48 ↗ community process as part of the

1:10:49 ↗ education process you can bring a

1:10:51 ↗ community together and put it in street

1:10:52 ↗ murals in your neighborhood and it

1:10:55 ↗ doesn't necessarily force people to slow

1:10:58 ↗ down but when you there are there is

1:11:01 ↗ data behind that when you actually get

1:11:03 ↗ communities together to get to know one

1:11:06 ↗ another to help put together this piece

1:11:09 ↗ of art on the mural the speeds actually

1:11:12 ↗ drop you see a reduction and volume and

1:11:15 ↗ speeds in this because it now becomes a

1:11:17 ↗ part of the neighborhood it is

1:11:19 ↗ established part of its own history in

1:11:22 ↗ each of the neighborhoods and so you see

1:11:23 ↗ actually an impact on driver behavior

1:11:26 ↗ and so there's things like that that we

1:11:28 ↗ can also consider as part of the policy

1:11:30 ↗ traffic circles being another one that

1:11:32 ↗ you're familiar with speed cushions

1:11:34 ↗ something that emergency services

1:11:37 ↗ actually prefers because they are able

1:11:39 ↗ to drive through does show similar

1:11:43 ↗ reductions in speed as speed humps but

1:11:45 ↗ not as much because drivers still feel

1:11:48 ↗ comfortable to you know Drive one wheel

1:11:51 ↗ during what in one of the gaps and but

1:11:54 ↗ only have other wheel all in actual hump

1:11:56 ↗ and that's the lower-left one and then

1:11:59 ↗ you have partial and full closures that

1:12:02 ↗ you can also consider as part of traffic

1:12:04 ↗ calming that force driver behavior to

1:12:08 ↗ change around how they get through or

1:12:10 ↗ around a neighborhood and that is also

1:12:12 ↗ some things that you can consider but it

1:12:14 ↗ isn't necessarily addressed in the

1:12:16 ↗ policy right now and so those are kind

1:12:18 ↗ of the main discussion pieces that we'll

1:12:20 ↗ have with the policy but we also want to

1:12:23 ↗ bring up that there's different

1:12:25 ↗ direction that you can bring the policy

1:12:27 ↗ or a program if that's what we

1:12:29 ↗ established later on is right now what

1:12:31 ↗ we have is more of a reactive system you

1:12:33 ↗ you wait for a complaint to come in and

1:12:35 ↗ wait for issues to come in before you

1:12:37 ↗ actually establish a edgenuity solution

1:12:39 ↗ you can actually incorporate certain

1:12:43 ↗ aspects and street-to-street standards

1:12:46 ↗ to require new development to put in

1:12:48 ↗ certain engineered at solutions or you

1:12:51 ↗ actually go out with you do your own

1:12:54 ↗ traffic counts and not wait for

1:12:56 ↗ complaints to come in and you just gauge

1:12:58 ↗ the neighborhood streets throughout the

1:13:00 ↗ city on probably different waves all at

1:13:03 ↗ the same time but you can actually do

1:13:06 ↗ check your own checking and then talk

1:13:08 ↗ you know propose a solution or propose

1:13:11 ↗ engineer solution to go into a

1:13:13 ↗ neighborhood even though a complaint

1:13:15 ↗ didn't come in so you can go more

1:13:17 ↗ pre-act proactively with a traffic

1:13:18 ↗ calming program or some type of policy

1:13:21 ↗ as well so that's that'll be part of the

1:13:23 ↗ discussions that we'll have Wow with

1:13:25 ↗ this update is there anything that you

1:13:28 ↗ would like us to consider

1:13:36 ↗ don't want me to start I'll look again

1:13:39 ↗ for you so Ellen I have a couple

1:13:41 ↗ comments one is reflecting on the very

1:13:43 ↗ last thing you said about new

1:13:44 ↗ development adjacent at transportation

1:13:49 ↗ facilities you know that's very logical

1:13:51 ↗ but I'm trying still to get my head

1:13:54 ↗ around simplified good currency where we

1:13:57 ↗ have impacts that impact the whole city

1:14:01 ↗ and how we how that works Sheldon do you

1:14:04 ↗ know what I'm asking about when we have

1:14:06 ↗ developers paying impact fees that might

1:14:09 ↗ support improvements that are not right

1:14:12 ↗ next door to their property how to

1:14:15 ↗ simplified concurrency to change how we

1:14:18 ↗ look at installing facilities or does it

1:14:24 ↗ do i misunderstand not understand that

1:14:26 ↗ at all the traffic impact fees are not

1:14:31 ↗ connected to the traffic calming aspects

1:14:33 ↗ of what's deviant about fund it anyway

1:14:35 ↗ okay okay thank you that's a great

1:14:37 ↗ answer okay and then my next thing has

1:14:40 ↗ to do with bicycle safety and simple

1:14:44 ↗ anytime that there is a hard scape

1:14:47 ↗ infrastructure in the path of the street

1:14:52 ↗ kind of bike riding not the not the

1:14:54 ↗ sidewalk kind of bike riding but to

1:14:57 ↗ Cynthia's point people who are traveling

1:14:58 ↗ at a reasonable speed it's dangerous and

1:15:02 ↗ sometimes we use traffic calming devices

1:15:03 ↗ like bulb outs for crosswalks and I find

1:15:07 ↗ them terribly dangerous especially they

1:15:09 ↗ often aren't painted anything but if

1:15:12 ↗ even comparing the two left-hand side

1:15:16 ↗ speed humps I was just in Victoria and

1:15:19 ↗ they had full width speed humps they are

1:15:22 ↗ great they were great it just went right

1:15:25 ↗ over him and it was consistent all the

1:15:27 ↗ way when you have the variations in

1:15:29 ↗ pavement like the bottom left as a

1:15:31 ↗ cyclist I wouldn't like that I wouldn't

1:15:34 ↗ like that at all especially where it

1:15:36 ↗ rains it doesn't rain here at all but

1:15:39 ↗ where it rains those are a couple things

1:15:45 ↗ that I was thinking of anybody else out

1:15:46 ↗ here

1:15:48 ↗ ethnic ahem just from a practical

1:15:52 ↗ standpoint on the street murals is there

1:15:57 ↗ information on how long those tend to

1:15:59 ↗ last before they start to break down and

1:16:02 ↗ get destroyed it depends on the program

1:16:05 ↗ you put together so it there are cities

1:16:08 ↗ who wear the city staff puts it in like

1:16:10 ↗ though the community comes together put

1:16:12 ↗ together the design works with staff to

1:16:13 ↗ put it together and the staff will come

1:16:15 ↗ in and put in and it'll last a couple

1:16:16 ↗ years most programs you'll see is the

1:16:19 ↗ community puts together the design

1:16:21 ↗ approved by the city and then they go by

1:16:22 ↗ paint at Home Depot and then they go

1:16:24 ↗ paint it on the street and so what they

1:16:26 ↗ do is they actually have an annual

1:16:27 ↗ barbecue every year to repaint it and

1:16:30 ↗ that's funded by the city as part of

1:16:33 ↗ that program for those cities who have

1:16:34 ↗ that

1:16:42 ↗ I'm looking at the pictures and I'm just

1:16:44 ↗ also wondering a little bit do you get

1:16:45 ↗ into a conflict between sort of overall

1:16:48 ↗ connectivity and some of these physical

1:16:50 ↗ barriers I mean I just wouldn't want to

1:16:54 ↗ consider these in a vacuum like I'm just

1:16:56 ↗ looking at some of the pictures the

1:16:57 ↗ middle bottom and the lower right I just

1:17:03 ↗ listened to a lot of conversations about

1:17:05 ↗ people being concerned about you know

1:17:07 ↗ not wanting traffic to go through but

1:17:11 ↗ it's important to keep the connectivity

1:17:14 ↗ throughout the city also so that people

1:17:16 ↗ aren't having to drive all around so I'm

1:17:18 ↗ just I guess I'm just wanting to make

1:17:19 ↗ sure that we consider these as part of

1:17:22 ↗ the network and I guess it's kind of to

1:17:23 ↗ your point about calming being a program

1:17:27 ↗ a responsive program versus a more

1:17:30 ↗ reactive

1:17:31 ↗ right right reactive versus a planned

1:17:35 ↗ thing but I just want to make sure that

1:17:37 ↗ thinking about it in the context of the

1:17:40 ↗ whole network of the transportation

1:17:43 ↗ network as some of these things look

1:17:46 ↗ like they could be in conflict with

1:17:48 ↗ those goals you're absolutely right

1:17:52 ↗ and I think that's great conversation as

1:17:55 ↗ you guys work on the policies that are

1:17:58 ↗ going to be embedded within the coming

1:18:00 ↗ guidelines because you know like you

1:18:03 ↗ said the grid is important to the

1:18:05 ↗ overall capacity of mobility within the

1:18:08 ↗ city and some of these alternatives

1:18:12 ↗ you know deber traffic block traffic

1:18:15 ↗ which creates other issues which could

1:18:18 ↗ be contrary to the goals of the city and

1:18:21 ↗ the master mobility plan Stephanie go

1:18:26 ↗ are we also taking into consideration

1:18:31 ↗ projects that have already been done

1:18:33 ↗ like I know you brought up the kind of

1:18:36 ↗ bump outs that could get in the way for

1:18:38 ↗ cyclists like we just put all of those

1:18:40 ↗ in down front street are we thinking

1:18:42 ↗ about affecting projects that are

1:18:45 ↗ completed now once we have this plan in

1:18:48 ↗ place like are we gonna go back and say

1:18:49 ↗ alright this doesn't fit what the plan

1:18:51 ↗ is moving forward and that has to be

1:18:53 ↗ adjusted now or we don't have to

1:18:56 ↗ about it yeah we're not we're not gonna

1:18:57 ↗ try to change everything that's already

1:18:59 ↗ in place it's more of either new

1:19:00 ↗ projects or if the city decides to

1:19:03 ↗ redesign a street that has bull belts

1:19:07 ↗ let's say then maybe they'll as part of

1:19:08 ↗ that conversation they'll talk about

1:19:10 ↗ either taking out the bull belts or

1:19:11 ↗ redesigning them somehow

1:19:13 ↗ but no the intention of this is not to

1:19:15 ↗ go and just change everything it's more

1:19:17 ↗ of to establish more of a consistent

1:19:19 ↗ process for the city to follow that

1:19:20 ↗ everybody understands if if we want a

1:19:23 ↗ project to go in this is the process we

1:19:25 ↗ we need to go by and everybody's

1:19:28 ↗ everybody there's consensus around how

1:19:31 ↗ to do that anything else might be it

1:19:38 ↗ from us okay that's it for me so as as

1:19:44 ↗ we were working through the timeline for

1:19:47 ↗ this it is over the next year but so the

1:19:50 ↗ next time you'll probably hear from me

1:19:51 ↗ is in the next or hear from me on this

1:19:55 ↗ is the next probably two to three months

1:19:58 ↗ when I'll talk probably have a proposal

1:20:00 ↗ or draft language for the Complete

1:20:02 ↗ Streets policy and then after that we'll

1:20:05 ↗ talk about the next policy I'm not gonna

1:20:07 ↗ I'm trying not to give you too much

1:20:09 ↗ because as we work into the next phase

1:20:11 ↗ in mobility master plan you'll get

1:20:13 ↗ multiple items that will be discussing

1:20:15 ↗ and have draft proposal language form

1:20:17 ↗ for us to consider so this will be a

1:20:20 ↗ stretched out over the next year yes to

1:20:23 ↗ that may I ask tonight our agenda if

1:20:29 ↗ somebody were just reading our agenda

1:20:31 ↗ they would could see in the packet that

1:20:34 ↗ we were talking about these policies but

1:20:35 ↗ when we're soliciting some more public

1:20:38 ↗ comment and now that we've had this put

1:20:40 ↗ on tape and those new who are interested

1:20:41 ↗ and it can access it on ictv when it

1:20:46 ↗ comes back to us is still going to come

1:20:47 ↗ back in a draft form right and we will

1:20:49 ↗ be welcoming public comment and our

1:20:51 ↗ comment on it yes right so it'll be

1:20:54 ↗ great to make it very explicit so that

1:20:57 ↗ people will be triggered to know to come

1:20:59 ↗ in and with their thoughts at that time

1:21:01 ↗ and to study the packet okay yep maybe

1:21:04 ↗ some subheadings in the agenda

1:21:07 ↗ yep we can do that yeah any other

1:21:10 ↗ thoughts on scheduling or comments that

1:21:13 ↗ way no okay what else that's it that's

1:21:17 ↗ it from you that's it for me

1:21:18 ↗ okay and we would have a staff report

1:21:21 ↗ but maybe that was the staff report want

1:21:23 ↗ to check with you and see if you have

1:21:24 ↗ anything else to say in a staff report

1:21:27 ↗ no not nothing for me I have a minor

1:21:32 ↗ update state department transportation

1:21:35 ↗ open the bids for the i-90 auxiliary

1:21:38 ↗ lane project which includes the

1:21:40 ↗ retaining wall to widen Northwest

1:21:42 ↗ Sammamish Road the bids came in very

1:21:45 ↗ good under what the engineer's estimate

1:21:48 ↗ was and so the Northwest region office

1:21:52 ↗ has recommended awarding the contract so

1:21:55 ↗ looks like that project is a go so my

1:22:00 ↗ guess is is probably third quarter this

1:22:02 ↗ year we might start to see a contractor

1:22:05 ↗ mobilizing I don't know what the

1:22:07 ↗ contractors schedule is yet because they

1:22:09 ↗ had only met contract yet but I think

1:22:11 ↗ that's a good piece of information for

1:22:13 ↗ the people to know could you quickly say

1:22:16 ↗ what and we're really quick on that

1:22:17 ↗ project Thank You Steven the early lane

1:22:22 ↗ project provides for hardening of the

1:22:25 ↗ shoulders between SR 900 and East Gate

1:22:29 ↗ in east and west direction that will

1:22:31 ↗ allow traffic to use the shoulders as a

1:22:34 ↗ general purpose lane but it also

1:22:36 ↗ includes the construction of sound walls

1:22:40 ↗ between Lake Mont and about halfway

1:22:43 ↗ towards us are 900 on either side of

1:22:48 ↗ i-90 as well and then some sound walls

1:22:51 ↗ in Bellevue also so the idea is to get

1:22:54 ↗ traffic to be able to merge easier keep

1:22:56 ↗ traffic flowing and move the traffic

1:22:59 ↗ east and westbound because that's a

1:23:01 ↗ congestion point on i-90 are the yeah

1:23:04 ↗ are they exhilarated lanes for just

1:23:08 ↗ certain times of the day no

1:23:12 ↗ 24/7 is that the Lake Mont exit is where

1:23:18 ↗ it starts and then goes back towards

1:23:20 ↗ Issaquah 980 that's the portion inside

1:23:24 ↗ the city of Issaquah it actually

1:23:26 ↗ continues through Bellevue all the way

1:23:28 ↗ to East Gate and they're doing some

1:23:30 ↗ improvements at the east gate

1:23:32 ↗ interchange for traffic entering heading

1:23:36 ↗ westbound as well as they're creating

1:23:39 ↗ some opportunity for an extra auxiliary

1:23:43 ↗ lane as you approach the 148 156 exit

1:23:47 ↗ and that's about where it stops right

1:23:49 ↗ there at that interchange thank you any

1:23:56 ↗ more staff report chair doesn't have a

1:24:02 ↗ report is there a youth report this

1:24:04 ↗ evening Coakley yeah just a little minor

1:24:07 ↗ thing says part of the plan to get

1:24:09 ↗ community feedback on the master

1:24:11 ↗ mobility plan which I believe Stephen

1:24:13 ↗ talked about a little bit the community

1:24:14 ↗ engagement slide on there we're gonna

1:24:16 ↗ target a high school so we have a

1:24:18 ↗ survey just that we're doing this week

1:24:21 ↗ and probably part of next week - just

1:24:23 ↗ getting some muted feedback on the

1:24:27 ↗ master mobility plan and also I believe

1:24:29 ↗ next week's Stephens coming or not sure

1:24:30 ↗ what date just coming into the school or

1:24:34 ↗ a focus group to get more detailed or do

1:24:37 ↗ you tell feedback excellent thank you

1:24:41 ↗ under other business announcements does

1:24:44 ↗ anybody have anything else I would just

1:24:47 ↗ say that tomorrow is our Bellevue tour

1:24:51 ↗ which will be very interesting with

1:24:53 ↗ several of the board members are going

1:24:54 ↗ on that to learn about some of the

1:24:57 ↗ elements in their work we have a bicycle

1:25:00 ↗ tour and and I'm sure it'll be as

1:25:02 ↗ informative as it was in Redmond which

1:25:04 ↗ is very helpful so thank you for putting

1:25:06 ↗ those together mm-hm

1:25:08 ↗ anything else anything else from you

1:25:10 ↗ Steven oh you know what I don't have the

1:25:14 ↗ date of our next meeting handy for me do

1:25:16 ↗ have that so we can it'll be June handy

1:25:22 ↗ calendar June 24th is our next

1:25:24 ↗ in 24th here and captain Traverse serve

1:25:28 ↗ default room okay

1:25:31 ↗ so we're going back to a Monday yes this

1:25:33 ↗ meeting was on a Wednesday because there

1:25:34 ↗ was a holiday on the Monday and then a

1:25:36 ↗ conflict on the Tuesday so the next

1:25:37 ↗ meeting for the transportation advisory

1:25:39 ↗ board will be Monday June 24th at 6:00

1:25:42 ↗ p.m. here in Council Chambers and if

1:25:44 ↗ you're unable to attend we would love to

1:25:46 ↗ have you attend because we always have

1:25:47 ↗ opportunities for public comment but you

1:25:50 ↗ can also watch it on IC TV or on the

1:25:53 ↗ YouTube channel for Issaquah and with

1:25:55 ↗ that I will adjourn this meeting at 7:00

1:25:59 ↗ 27:34 thank you

1:26:12 ↗ you

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