from your Arts commission but I don't
remember one from here good evening and
welcome to the September 11th meeting of
the planning policy commission tonight
we're going to talk about the uh land
use element of the comp plan but first
as usual has everybody read the minutes
from the last
meeting do I have a motion to
approve move be
approved any
discussion all those in favor
I
opposed so tonight we're just going to
turn this over to Kristen and let
her okay why is Chris talk about and
update us on what we've already gone
through it once and what our changes are
and how they've been incorporated into
the plan we have been through it three
times this will be our third time
because the first time we just did the
goals the second time we did the
policies and this includes we're not
going to go over the discussion But it
includes the discussion in the maps and
few other things like pop chart so
tonight I don't want to go over every
bit um I included in your packet there
is a table and I need to I've already
made some corrections to it but a table
of questions and answers that came up at
the last meeting that we had answers to
afterwards um there are a few additional
policies that you may or may not have
noticed in your packet that we added
since that time we'll go over those and
uh we were unable to get a few of the
maps in there so I'll show you those
quickly so starting with the maps this
is our last review before the public
Hearing in
November um so the
maps
this is one of the ones that was missing
out of your packet it is the map of land
use designations and you will see that
the Lake samam state park is in here
that is assuming that the annexation
that is underway right now happens so we
just thought we'd get that out there if
it doesn't happen we'll take it out okay
it would be zoned Community facilities
or or uh the land you STS at Nation
would be Community
facilities this adds some as well Lakes
mam State Park as well uh this is the
annexation
history uh from day one from from its
Inception in corporation and then the
annexation history since
1990 we going to get
those they'll be in the next in the next
packet they'll be in the next packet yes
thank
you so there were a few new policies
that we had to add um we went through
the central isqua plan the first time
around and this is one that we missed
that we thought was appropriate here um
it's uh I need to pull out my packet
it's
a11 in in your
packet thank
you and it falls under the environment
section and it talks about in
integrating in the environment section
is protecting the environment despite
development the other one is incorporate
but this is um integrate natural
features such as Wetlands repairing
corridors and Hillside views into the
site design as amenities and protect
them as environmental resources when you
do developments this was one that was in
central isqua that we thought was
appropriate here as well that we just
missed the first time around any
thoughts all
right another one we added you may have
noticed was land use policy B5
This falls
under oh it's also under the environment
section it's under the trees I noticed
in the discussion when we were doing
that again there was a big sentence that
said develop and adopt an urban forestry
plan but it wasn't a policy so we put
that one in there as a policy as well D5
ensure the rechargeability of the
aquifer is not compromised as
development in the city
continues by administering a
Critic um a critical aquafer recharge
area program we already have one of
these in place we need to make sure that
we continue to do this it is required by
the state that we have a policy in there
to protect the aquifer and we didn't
really have anything that was very
strong so we added this policy and our
uh envir our storm water and envir one
of our environmental people wrote that
helped us write this yes I we don't see
D5 here at least it's actually D4 in
your packet D4 I think when you
renumbered everything no it says B6 on
my packet I'm sure oh the
rechargeability so it's not
B4 so that's yeah that's
B5 but then
D5 because B5 is really B6 on
mine but D5 I don't have that one at all
I don't even
I don't know what happened it's truly
very new it is hot off the car I don't
know what happened but it's that's
really strange I have a line where it
looks like something was added on the
side it's very small our our packet says
B5 is maintain and strengthen when where
possible TriCity USA and then B6 is the
one you have up there as
B5 okay well right but D5 I don't see
the D5 at
all yeah okay
okay first
step okay yeah we'll check that out
we'll check that out either way those
two policies are going to be in the land
you sement okay we'll just get the
number straightened out yes I don't know
what happened so let's see if this one's
right
F12 it is develop a climate action plan
in collaboration with local and Regional
partners that provides direction for
isqua's reduction of Citywide greenhouse
gas emissions while supporting a
sustainable Community this is one that
um the office of sustainability had us
add in here okay and those are the only
new
ones so moving on to the questions and
answers now these were some qu a lot of
the edits that we had last time were we
just Incorporated them in they were
pretty simple they were word changes we
agreed on them here here so we just put
them in these were the bigger ones that
we had to go back and do a little
research
on um first one was insure
efficient it was land use and the
numbers have changed since this time so
um but the land use policy A3 in the
last packet add in line with
neighborhood
character was it's probably still the
same any anyway out in line with
neighborhood character and we
already
regulate what things will look like
through the Urban Village agreements uh
development agreements through Central
isqua through Oldtown and through the
green sheets that are land use code so
and Joan you had brought up at our last
meeting Central liqua what character are
you in line with so it was kind of hard
to say in line with the existing
character when some of that's going to
be changing and our codes really do
regulate what things will look like and
the development commission has a lot of
say over the way and Urban Village
commission so we decided just to keep it
in line with neighborhood character and
in accordance with the city's or I mean
in accordance with the city's
development and design standards yes so
just um a little question on the inline
with neighborhood character so and this
is kind of probably d a little deep but
just want to know so like an old town
okay so in line with that character of
that Community is you know small
residential houses pretty much and now
all these three story things are coming
in so to me that doesn't look like in
line with neighborhood character so I'm
I'm trying to figure out how this
follows down to where you're getting
codes and what's what's approved and
that's why we took that sentence out we
took out in line with neighborhood
character that's what someone had
requested that it be I believe thought
and we changed it to um consistent with
the city's development and design
standards oh okay I heard you different
okay I may have said that wrong the
first time but that because for example
the Oldtown design standards talk about
small scale and modulation and the
architecture that would go on down there
which is in keeping with the character
that we want there which is very
different than the character we might
want in centralistic CLA you know it's
not going to be small scale and quaint
it's going to be more urban right so I
think we're saying the same thing that
the character depends on where it's
located right exactly right that's what
we were shooting for by being more
specific with the standards instead of
just saying
character
the next
one there was a long discussion about
the sentence maintain as open space
hazardous areas and significant areas of
steep
slopes and I it just seemed to be
written wrong so we looked it up and we
are we now match the definition that is
in the land use code and we call it
Hazard so the sentences now maintain
critical Hazard areas as open space and
significant areas of steep slopes does
that work no
okay oh
okay adopt storm water code requirements
that improve storm water quality reduce
flooding and do not unreasonably limit
development and unreasonably limit
development came into
question and we were asked to bring a
definition and who defined it and we
sent this to our storm water specialists
who said well that doesn't make sense so
he we don't have a definition or defined
because it's not in there anymore he
rewrote it for us
so he said we just have to adopt codes
that the state requires and so we took
out unreasonable development all
together right it's a really long answer
that's why I said
oo so so you want to know what it says
what's it supposed to read now let me
see I should have put that that in there
I apologize
I and just improve water quality and
reduce flooding it says Identify and
Implement storm water solutions that
promote development and Redevelopment
while also prot protecting receiving
streams and groundwater within the
requirements of the npdes phase 2
Municipal storm water permit and other
state and federal
regulations and that's D3 policy D3
policy F3 we talked about talks about
reducing the city-wide greenhouse gas
emissions below 80% of the 2007 Levels
by the year
2050 and you asked where are we
now and it requires a lot of math so I
it's
approximately 2% below where we
were in
2012 no sorry 2007 was up below the base
um but then there are other things added
in there and I wasn't sure how to
calculate for that um so I thought I
would show you this so it's
it's we've decreased our get emissions
by probably say 3% 4% based on this
because you have the whole and then you
have per person and that's a little
harder to
calculate so you're planning to decrease
it if you've done it 3% from 201 12 oh
seven yes you have uh 78 77% to go we
have 77% to go by the year
2050 but we have a lot of strategy plans
in place that we're starting to
implement bits and pieces you know like
our Fleet our city fleet is um almost
all Priuses now um so we're doing piece
by piece to get there but yeah it'll
take a while but you know but in 2012 we
didn't have the electrical the electric
vehicle plugins that we do now and now
we
have what do we we counted today it's
about 15 in the city and all um just
things are starting to change it's just
that's 37 36 years it's 2% a year
so we go can you remind me if you have
intermediate goals for this there are
incremental goals the they the state is
considering adopting incremental goals
and it let me find the exact one and I
think King County just um adopted
intermediate um intermediate goals and
the King countywide policies they were
talking about it when we weren't when we
were there it hadn't quite been adopted
yet but that's what that's what they
were discussing and it does it's it's in
here it's in the
policy um guess
F3
just saw
it um TR that one didn't wind up in here
either F3 yeah F3 is just
short well maybe we were waiting to hear
from King County what their their
interims were and this is King con's Con
why not their climate action
plan I thought the king countywide
policies were being changed through the
gmpc to have interims okay but I hadn't
heard I thought they did it this summer
but I keep waiting to see the the
ratification that comes around to all
the jurisdictions and I haven't seen
that yet so I'm not sure if I'm not sure
where that is I should actually follow
up on that I just just one of those
things in the back of my mind I'm
thinking have they sent that to us yet
but um good comment though I'll check on
that okay Shantal this
I
is not
right this was uh one of yours and you
had requested uh change move vehicles to
change move people via all travel modes
so that was done um policy
J1 encourage a well- distributed system
of commercial
uses that are easily accessible via VIA
non-motorized travel and the question
came up about equestrian use and
were there any standards for horse
Crossings and equestrian Crossings on
the streets Kirkland has them um but
apparently in issaqua they are not
allowed on Shear juice routes so they
would not be allowed adjacent to streets
therefore you don't need those Crossings
horses are not allowed in isqua
Highlands at all so that that becomes a
nonissue can CH can we go back to F3 and
uh so just to understand so you you will
be adding some intermediate goals then
once you get the countywide policies are
you just going to adopt the countywi
policies by default or um I would think
we would want to follow because this one
is from theirs from my understanding
when we first set this one it was to be
consistent with King County and so I
would imagine if they've got interim
goals that we would want to be
consistent with those two um I haven't
heard from our office of sustainability
that they wanted to do anything
different I know they were waiting for
the summer for gmpc to take action on
that and I haven't heard anything from
them either okay I'm just concerned
about know 2050 is a long way you know
it's very easy to push everything back
right it is easy and then 2049 realized
that you know right we're having big
problem to this one I don't know what
happened but uh it was intended to be in
there but it's by 25% by 2020 50% by
2030 and 80% by 2050 excellent so we
putting that in it there yes and I don't
know why that one got missed I
apologize you can see it was intended to
be there and do you remember Kristen
were those the King County drafted ones
I think they were King County okay let
me see if it let me see if he says it
well and I'll and I'll follow up
with these are all being considered yeah
for countywide this
month there we go
countywide okay
last two
um this one we wound up deleting a goal
so support a connected multimodal
Transportation network is a key to
successful land use was goal
K and we deleted go k combined it with j
and now it says ensure a connected
development pattern that enhances
Community Access and promotes physical
social and mental well-being so that all
people can live healthier and more
active lives they were very similar the
goals
were and by combining the two we were
able to talk about healthy Health
oriented land uses and walkability
and uh accessibility well-being and all
the policies that we had tended to fall
under that one category anyway so we
just combined the two
and the last one M1 uh consider L yes
again I I got confused in what you got
up there versus what's on the exhibit a
on page 25 it gives a goal K which is k1
maintain the urban center as major
retail service and entertainment for the
city
J right we combined K and J and deleted
K the J so with the new J so the new J
there used to be so everything's been
renumbered on the on the old one it was
J K and L moved up to K right L got
moved up to
K
so there is so there is no k at all we
go on from J to L sure
okay there is no
l i mean there there would there would
will be a deleting there is a K in the
old one m is really an L
it when
you will in the old one J was in your a
connected development pattern this K was
support a connected m multimodal
Transportation
Network
okay J was what's there now Ure a
connected development pattern it was
there also it was there last
time K in if you're looking at the Q&A
the answers and questions that one was
there last time as
well but they were similar in all of the
policies that we had were similar so we
combined the old J and the
k
so um gold K I'm surprised I didn't
mention it earlier but uh did I not ask
for Mobility rather than Transportation
at some point pardon me using Mobility
rather than
Transportation because when I go from my
house to my office I'm not transporting
anything I'm
moving I know we're
actually let's see what happens with the
transportation element okay I have I
have kind of started to propose changing
that to to the mobility element but we
want them all to be succinct the same so
not succinct but
similar hang on one
second anybody getting
dizzy where's
Carl Carl so the only question I have
then is with the new J there's no you
say you combine them but there's no
mention of multimodal transportation
that was asked to be taken out uh
that and and you're you're saying that's
all covered by
Transportation
yes
okay they
connected
let me show
you
I don't know why I'm having so much
trouble there's the old J ensure
development through plans policies and
regulations that promote physical social
and mental well-being so that all people
can live together can live healthier and
more active lives K support a connected
it said reword that
multimodal Transportation Network as a
key to successful land use okay so those
were the two policies they're now
combined
anybody
this right there say ensure a connected
development pattern that enhances
Community Access and promotes physical
social and mental well-being so that all
people can live healthier and more
active lives that's where it wound
up
okay all right
all right and the last one
M1 next last
one uh Trish you may have to cover this
one uh okay there was a question about
small agricultural
uses and whether we wanted to what is
the definition of it and do we want to
take it
out
and it's reflected in isqua land use
code in only two zones Conservancy
residential and single family
estates right and you had asked if it
was actually a defined term or if small
scale agriculture was just sort of a a
general term we were using in the policy
but it's actually a defined term in the
code that's a permitted use and talks
about so it it's connected to the code
in the policy language
AG so it needed to stay in there well
it's it's not a um they were worried
that it was just a too General in the
policies cuz they didn't really know
what it meant but it's actually a
defined permitted use in the land use
code so it was there was a linkage there
does that work for you guys does that
okay thank you I couldn't remember the
issue and this one uh this work talks
about mineral extraction and
implementing best management practices
to reduce environmental impacts and
mitigate remaining impacts and Justin I
believe had asked us to make it stronger
and almost discouraging so that people
wouldn't do mineral extraction and leave
the land the same or better than before
extraction so there is required by the
state if you ever stop doing mineral
extraction there is a Reclamation
process which defined by the state means
Rehabilitation for the appropriate
future use of disturbed areas resulting
from surface mining the basic objective
shall be to reestablish on a Perpetual
basis the vegetative cover soil
stability and water conditions
appropriate to the approved subsequent
use of the surface mine and to prevent
or mitigate future en environmental
degradation so you want to establish
it the land to where it was before so
that whatever the future use is will
work there does that make sense so to
ask us to ask them to make it better in
part that's subjective so you know some
people may say it's open space and some
people may say it's affordable housing
you know so you just have to get it back
to where it was so that it can support
future uses is what that means right
okay and that is all I have do you all
have any questions at the last was there
anything else that you saw while you
were reading it that you said that was a
big red flag
or you said
what
so no okay uh you will see that again at
the open house in
November and next time we will have the
transportation element and the
transportation policies and that was
supposed to only come back to you this
next time and then the public hearing
but we're going to do it um next time
and then again at the October 23rd
meeting as
well so is that with that any other
questions or
and anything good for the order that you
want any questions on anything that and
to let you know the October meetings are
going to be a little different because
there's budget hearings in here on one
of the PPC nights and so we have to send
out a new October schedule for you all
just to make sure they're on your
calendar that just made me think of that
when you
said um but I need to get that out to
you guys right and just check I have
them down as the second move that first
up to the second and then keep to 23rd
is that correct okay did I send did we
send that out already I think that's we
talked about the last meeting I because
I put I I moved on my calendar from the
from the uh 9th to the second moved the
first one up a week okay then that's
what we did thank you the second one the
same okay I and I'll send out a but I'm
I'm verifying that I wrote that as a
note but I don't know
why remember one we're all moving really
fast these days so the more reminders
the better for me at
least there's still the normal time in
September but the October ones got
shifted because the council wanted this
room for the
budget Joan I do I do have a question I
was wondering if the uh if Trish could
um maybe once a month give us a little
update on the buildings that are going
up here in isqua and if they meet the um
policies of the plans and if they don't
what exceptions were given to them is
you know kind of like a f you know are
is are all the policies and things
coming to fruition are we wouldn't
approve them but um but um there I just
got an email today from the have you
seen the the website where you can
actually um subscribe to different
notifications whether it's um on the one
that I got today was on develop
velopment um it talked about seventh and
Gilman is under construction and to you
know click here if you want to subscribe
to the updating of development projects
and I'll send that out to you guys in
case anyone's interested in subscribing
to that I'm sadly as a city planner I
subscribe to all the things on the
website that have updates um but that
it's a good one because of course as
soon as people see something coming down
they want to know what's going on there
so that is a good helpful way to see
what's going on um I'm not the best
person to talk about the development
projects because I'm a longrange planner
and I'm not into the um the actual site
plans and how many units and that kind
of thing because that comes with a
different group of planners but I can
certainly try to um flag questions that
you have on whatever is going up and
send them to the current planners and
get answers back for you I can certainly
do that part of it but I wouldn't be the
one to present like seventh and Gilman
why does it look this way and how does
it meet all basically I was curious to
see if the development that is going on
that is actually happening if
it's going along with what we can ask
our resident expert right here who's on
the development commission and he can
answer any questions you have I think I
think to follow up I mean when I when I
read this land use element it's kind of
frustrating at times I mean to just
understand how it's implemented because
I think anything good is almost included
in this land use element I I had to take
a step back and just think what would I
want land use wise and see if it was I
can include it and I was having a I mean
I couldn't find anything that I would
want in there that isn't in there and so
then I started thinking well you know
the details that's part of the zoning
code and you know this implements what
the policies and the goals that we
present in here so some sometimes I
think what she's saying is that it'd be
nice to see those developments and how
they actually fit into these policies
and just to get an example at times and
right you know these
are intents and and Visions for these
but we do work very closely with the
current planners every time a
development comes through we go to
pre-application meetings with them we
have weekly meetings with them to talk
about projects they'll call us in on
different road projects so we do work
very closely with them and they'll say
does this meet the intent so we're there
to
they're really we're good about going
back and forth that's what we do so they
should right the other piece though too
as you said very well sometimes you
think you've written it so that it's
completely Ironclad and no loopholes and
then often the first applicant that
comes in it's like oh we should have
said it you know just this way and so we
learn a lot so we already have a page of
amendments that we want to do for the
central plan standards next year but
just you know all that fine tuning that
um there was just a little bit of wiggle
room that we wish we would have had just
crystal clear but you never really know
until that first one comes in and they
they propose something that you'd never
thought of but right I mean one of the
goals in here could be I mean I'm sure
there's one that's promote dense
communities or
clustered or you know in certain zones
but then you'll have another goal that
says protect the environment and so
there's sometimes there's conflicting
values and goals and so it's it's
interesting to see those play out in
development projects to see kind of okay
what where did we give a little and
where did we take a little bit just see
how it's implemented right because
you're right the whole comprehensive
plan is is a um a treasury of
conflicting goals because yeah we're an
urban place so we have to have Urban
density yet we also have so many natural
features and critical areas that can't
be developed and so how do you
right how do you combine
them right good
point do you know if there have been
many or any uh permits requested for the
Central Area plan yes um Taco Time is
the first one to come through with um
and they came through right at the end
right before it was adopted so we had
the draft um development standards and
um you know we tried to have them go
twostory with mixed juice
um we tried we had them put the building
up to the street we had the little Plaza
park behind with the trail back to the
creek we made it the best we could
possibly make it because we couldn't
force them to do mixed juice there um
which is one of the Amendments is to see
if there are more incentives to do mixed
juice so that um seventh and Gilman also
is not mixed juice because we didn't
force them and so some of the council
members are thinking should we try to
force them and we said well we had a
huge discussion through Central isqua
that the market wasn't ready for mixed
juice and if you force them you might
not get any development for years and
you know there's a balance there too do
you wait are you patient and you wait or
do you just see how the market goes and
so we're going to look at those kinds of
things a little closer than you know
because the Market's changed in the four
years since we wrote it so um so that
that one's so those two have come in
what's any more that there have been
discussions we've had a lot of pre
there's the oity expansion in there the
hotel and leab and and so those I guess
I think what you're asking is kind of to
know beforehand if if you see them
tearing the building down at sth and
Gilman it's a little late to to kind of
find out what's going on I think you're
just asking for hey something's coming
up like Le Schwab they're they're you
know looking at something right now they
don't know what they're you know so
those kinds of things that just kind of
keep us informed and and you know like I
say is it really reaching those goals of
the central elol plan well not really
but you know how are they fitting and I
think that's what you're asking and
there's little updates when when we can
when something new particular on that
you know the bigger side is coming on
right and there's another piece on the
website I don't know if you've seen but
it's called active projects list and it
has um I think Christopher updates it
maybe every three or four weeks and it
has a listing of all the projects that
are in the pipeline either in a a
pre-application um or they're actually
in application or they've actually you
know like seventh and Gilman they're
actually breaking ground and doing
construction and you can file and it's
listed by um area the city so if you're
in South Cove you could see you know if
there's anything going on in South Cove
that's that's big enough to to make the
list and I think that's a really
fascinating you know because there's so
many things going on in the city that um
it just amazes me every time he puts out
that list he updates it that there's
that much going on um but that's
something else I can send you a link to
so you can subscribe I think there's a
subscription to that too that when
that's updated you get a little um
message in
there but now that you're been uh on
television announcing that I hope more
people do that so more questions are
answered yeah and we tried too to have a
major projects page and I just checked
today because I was hoping that lak
samamish State Park annexation has a
major project page and that one does in
7eventh and Gilman does and the Costco
development agreement
um there's a there's a whole list of
things yeah the PED bike plan um there's
several things that have that's on the
major projects page concurrent is
another one that is on the major project
page but that's another way of seeing
you know what what is the city think has
raised to the level of having its own
page to update people on you know
chances for public involvement um what's
going on what are the documents
associated with where the council is on
that and that link is on the front page
of the
website so it's easy to find right and I
can send links too that that might help
you kind
of what's the word transfer around
the website because sometimes it's
navigate that's the word because
sometimes it's hard to you know it's
there but it's like you know am I
resident am I business what you know
what's the easiest way to find
things anything else any other good
questions Lots going on there did
anybody see when they were taken down
seventh and Gilman it's amazing how much
stuff there is the piles of stuff and a
lot of it got recycled which was good we
were happy that they tried to recycle a
lot of the
stuff yeah anything else going on any
other good questions for the good of the
order anything I think this is the
shortest planning policy meeting I've
ever especially on the land use element
wow you guys are not it before and that
was a really long one and so we made out
for it so um with that the meeting is
adjourned at
7:09 yeah I was
took me longer to get here than the
meeting was right yes it does so I'm
going to
send no send like well I think we're
we're
just