Development Commission · Wednesday, February 18, 2015 · City Council Digest

2. COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Member Roster

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Staff report:

Contacts About Created in 1983, this commission reviews all land use actions Staff Liaison requiring a Level 3 review. The Commission further serves as an Christopher Wright, Project advisory board to the City Council on land use actions requiring Oversight Manager council approval (Level 5 review). Email

3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Meeting Minutes from May 7, 2014

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CITY OF ISSAQUAH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES

4. AGENDA ITEMS

PUBLIC HEARING: Issaquah Middle School Master Site Plan and Site [1 hour 5 Development Permit mins.]

Amy Tarce, Senior Planner, City of Issaquah, Development Services Department David Mount, Principal, Mahlum Architects · packet pp.15–201

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CITY OF ISSAQUAH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION

Public Comments

Commission Discussion

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3:24 ↗ to commission discussion uh the

3:26 ↗ commission discussion will consist of

3:34 ↗ and or make comments on the presentation

3:37 ↗ and the documentation that staff uh has

3:40 ↗ prepared for us and that we've been

3:42 ↗ looking at uh for the last while

3:45 ↗ actually I want to make one other thing

3:47 ↗ clear the the meeting will start the

3:49 ↗ first thing we'll do is review and

3:50 ↗ approve the minutes from uh one of the

3:53 ↗ preceding meetings so without any

3:56 ↗ further ado

3:59 ↗ as a so as a public hearing this yes um

4:03 ↗ for for a recommendation to the council

4:06 ↗ there would be rebuttal as well yes okay

4:09 ↗ yes and the final thing that we will do

4:12 ↗ uh is go through what we call a Green

4:14 ↗ Sheet which is a series of uh approvals

4:19 ↗ or comments or uh determinations of uh

4:23 ↗ non applicability of the item in

4:26 ↗ question and then uh if all all goes as

4:30 ↗ it normally does uh we will vote on the

4:34 ↗ recommendation that staff prepare

4:36 ↗ findings of fact that will be forwarded

4:37 ↗ to the city okay so with that we will

4:41 ↗ start with the

4:44 ↗ presentations oh I'm sorry yeah I keep

4:46 ↗ forgetting the minutes uh did everybody

4:48 ↗ get a chance to review the minutes that

4:50 ↗ were forwarded to us and if so does

4:53 ↗ anybody have any changes uh

4:56 ↗ clarifications that they wish to make

4:59 ↗ this

5:00 ↗ point I have

5:02 ↗ none move to approve second second okay

5:08 ↗ uh is there any further

5:10 ↗ discussion all in favor of approving the

5:13 ↗ minutes uh for

5:15 ↗ the what meeting was it by the way sth

5:19 ↗ the May 7th meeting of the development

5:20 ↗ commission signified by saying I I oos

5:24 ↗ motion carries are approved thank you

5:32 ↗ um so this evening you're going to have

5:35 ↗ a presentation by Amy Tarson I just want

5:38 ↗ to introduce her to you um she is our

5:41 ↗ brand new uh senior planner uh and we

5:44 ↗ are putting her through a trial by fire

5:46 ↗ with the first permit she just started

5:48 ↗ December 1st she came to us from

5:51 ↗ Washington DC where she was on the

5:53 ↗ national capital Planning Commission um

5:56 ↗ she was there about six years and before

5:58 ↗ that she was at the City of Redmond for

6:00 ↗ many years so she's um operated on both

6:03 ↗ coasts and uh has a master's in planning

6:07 ↗ and a masters in architecture so I hand

6:11 ↗ it over to

6:12 ↗ Amy

6:19 ↗ you so good evening everyone I guess

6:22 ↗ we're off to a good start I got my Red

6:24 ↗ Envelope before Chinese New Year so

6:26 ↗ that's a lucky thing um um so i' um I'd

6:30 ↗ like to start off by um again reminding

6:33 ↗ everyone that this project is being

6:35 ↗ reviewed as a master site plan and a

6:38 ↗ site development permit and your role

6:41 ↗ tonight is to evaluate the project and

6:44 ↗ to provide recommendations to the city

6:49 ↗ council so um I'd like to start off with

6:52 ↗ an overview um basically um in your

6:57 ↗ staff in the staff report you will

6:59 ↗ noticed that there are several criteria

7:01 ↗ for a master site plan and site

7:04 ↗ development permit and um several of

7:06 ↗ those items um have um really no uh

7:11 ↗ partic no specific uh issues and uh

7:14 ↗ these three bullets uh basically

7:16 ↗ summarize the three items that staff has

7:19 ↗ evaluated and I'm not going to go

7:22 ↗ through this in my presentation only

7:24 ↗ because we've either addressed them

7:26 ↗ through minor conditions or um

7:30 ↗ um at that at the level of review that

7:32 ↗ we're doing at this point they do uh

7:35 ↗ provide um uh compliance to the master

7:39 ↗ side plan and side development permit

7:41 ↗ and um just for um a quick summary um

7:44 ↗ that includes the on-site utilities uh

7:47 ↗ which um includes an on-site

7:49 ↗ infiltration for stor storm water using

7:52 ↗ low impact development and

7:54 ↗ undergrounding of existing power lines

7:56 ↗ and relocation of transmission lines

7:59 ↗ that are

8:00 ↗ in their in their property uh we're also

8:02 ↗ not going to talk about the usable open

8:04 ↗ space I will Point them out very briefly

8:08 ↗ but uh we didn't really have any issues

8:10 ↗ with them and uh the phasing uh will be

8:13 ↗ addressed uh during the site work permit

8:16 ↗ um however for tonight's presentation I

8:19 ↗ have asked the um um the applicant and

8:22 ↗ their Consultants to talk more about the

8:24 ↗ phasing because I'm sure um including

8:27 ↗ the comment public comments that we've

8:29 ↗ received were some questions about them

8:31 ↗ so um we're anticipating that you might

8:33 ↗ have some questions about them and we

8:34 ↗ have the applicant here tonight to

8:36 ↗ answer those questions so after my

8:39 ↗ presentation um we will have David mount

8:42 ↗ with maum to uh basically represent the

8:45 ↗ applicant um and provide us with more

8:48 ↗ details on the architecture the site

8:50 ↗ plan the landscape and any other issues

8:54 ↗ that you might want to to hear

8:57 ↗ about so for tonight my presentation

9:00 ↗ will cover four General topics com

9:04 ↗ compatibility with adjacent uses and uh

9:08 ↗ um design Harmony is in the uh design

9:11 ↗ checklist transition areas um were also

9:15 ↗ discuss and the screening of accessory

9:17 ↗ structures and uses were items that were

9:20 ↗ covered in different aspects of um

9:23 ↗ either the site development permit um

9:25 ↗ I'm sorry the um IMC or the uh design

9:29 ↗ stand standards vular traffic impacts um

9:32 ↗ includes streets and sidewalk

9:33 ↗ improvements and additional mitigation

9:36 ↗ and I'm going to talk about that later

9:38 ↗ non-motorized Transportation access and

9:41 ↗ connections will include uh a discussion

9:44 ↗ of both offsite and on-site improvements

9:47 ↗ as well as the bike and pedestrian

9:49 ↗ connections and lastly the critical

9:51 ↗ areas in Associated buffers um granted

9:54 ↗ we don't really have any um concerns

9:56 ↗ about them but um also to respond to

9:59 ↗ some of the public comments um I'm going

10:02 ↗ to um U provide a a short um

10:06 ↗ presentation on that

10:09 ↗ too so um I'm sure you're all familiar

10:12 ↗ where the school is um and uh this just

10:16 ↗ shows uh that uh for the record it is in

10:19 ↗ the Oldtown sub area of the

10:20 ↗ comprehensive plan um and the F the area

10:24 ↗ fold on the right shows what's existing

10:26 ↗ there today you have the Tiger Mountain

10:28 ↗ High School school and Clark Elementary

10:30 ↗ School on the northern half of the site

10:33 ↗ and then you have the isqua high school

10:34 ↗ to the South and um and also an existing

10:39 ↗ school bus

10:40 ↗ yard so the proposed building location

10:44 ↗ is um uh to be um located right where

10:48 ↗ the existing parking and a vacant lot is

10:52 ↗ um basically the idea is that for the

10:55 ↗ Tiger Mountain High School and the Clark

10:57 ↗ Elementary School to continue to operate

11:00 ↗ while the new school is being

11:02 ↗ built the uh proposal will impact about

11:06 ↗ 32 Acres of the uh total 63 Acres of

11:10 ↗ school district property and um it

11:14 ↗ includes

11:16 ↗ 131,000 square fet of uh of building

11:19 ↗ square footage um and a court yard a uh

11:25 ↗ outdoor um classrooms and a four Court

11:29 ↗ for the main entrance and also a patio

11:32 ↗ for the faculty uh so these are the

11:34 ↗ usable Open Spaces that um are are

11:38 ↗ proposed for this project in addition to

11:40 ↗ that we have two play Fields One of A

11:43 ↗ softball field and then a um basically a

11:47 ↗ combined um track and football and

11:50 ↗ soccer

11:51 ↗ field and um the accessory parking is

11:55 ↗ basically proposed uh to be included uh

11:59 ↗ as as part of this development and that

12:01 ↗ includes parking for faculty um starting

12:04 ↗ from the top right I'm just going down

12:07 ↗ you have a visitor parent parking area

12:10 ↗ with a drop off and a school bus parking

12:13 ↗ um on the um west side of Second Avenue

12:17 ↗ Southeast um in addition to that this

12:20 ↗ proposal includes a combined High School

12:23 ↗ and Middle School Bus drop

12:26 ↗ off so this is what the site looks like

12:28 ↗ to looking North from the interior of

12:31 ↗ the lot and this is what it looks like

12:35 ↗ um looking south from second EV I'm

12:38 ↗ sorry from Evans

12:40 ↗ Street um so recalling what you just saw

12:45 ↗ um the um the the uh illustration on the

12:50 ↗ top is basically what you're going to

12:52 ↗ see on the where where you're looking

12:55 ↗ from the interior of the site and the

12:58 ↗ illustration on the bottom is what

13:00 ↗ you'll see from second AV from I keep

13:02 ↗ saying that from Evans

13:04 ↗ Street um and the bottom the bottom um

13:08 ↗ illustration actually shows what the

13:10 ↗ courtyard will look like flanked by the

13:12 ↗ two wings of the building and I'll talk

13:14 ↗ more about the building in a minute and

13:16 ↗ also um Co with a covered walkway um the

13:20 ↗ north uh the top the top illustration

13:23 ↗ shows the main entrance um with the uh

13:26 ↗ gym on the left and the uh Library and

13:29 ↗ administration building on the right

13:31 ↗ which is the lower the lower

13:34 ↗ wing um in addition to those two um

13:38 ↗ faces of the building which are the most

13:41 ↗ public side of the building there's also

13:44 ↗ uh this facade which is um facing Second

13:48 ↗ Avenue Southeast however this is set set

13:51 ↗ back um significantly from the street so

13:55 ↗ you won't be able to see this however

13:57 ↗ it's right next to the um um the

14:00 ↗ multi-purpose sport field so this is uh

14:04 ↗ showing the classroom Wing um on the um

14:07 ↗ which is the taller the taller part of

14:09 ↗ the

14:11 ↗ building so staff has evaluated this

14:14 ↗ project and concludes that the proposal

14:16 ↗ is consistent with the land use and

14:18 ↗ Zoning designation so I'm not going to

14:21 ↗ go through these in detail just to um uh

14:24 ↗ basically show that uh we've done our

14:26 ↗ our our evaluation um in addition to

14:29 ↗ that we also look at the development

14:32 ↗ standards and again um these these are

14:34 ↗ all in your staff reports and um it

14:37 ↗ basically complies to the standards um

14:40 ↗ the one thing that uh we we did note is

14:43 ↗ that the building the school building

14:46 ↗ exceeds the uh allowable height limit

14:48 ↗ for um single family Suburban which is

14:52 ↗ the um the zoning District that we based

14:55 ↗ our design St our development standards

14:58 ↗ on however we do have um a provision in

15:02 ↗ the in the um IMC that um allows for the

15:06 ↗ expansion of a non-conforming condition

15:09 ↗ so in this particular case uh the reason

15:12 ↗ why we can use this um provision is

15:15 ↗ because the high school was also a

15:18 ↗ non-conforming condition so by in by um

15:22 ↗ building this new school building it

15:24 ↗ actually expands the non-conforming

15:27 ↗ condition that's already there

15:30 ↗ Transportation impacts and mitigation um

15:32 ↗ there are several major um um elements

15:36 ↗ to this um I'm going to talk about the

15:38 ↗ street improvements and Second Avenue

15:40 ↗ Southeast and Southeast Evans and the

15:43 ↗ bike and pedestrian

15:44 ↗ facilities um they are also eventually

15:47 ↗ going to finalize a transportation

15:49 ↗ management plan and um currently staff

15:53 ↗ is working with the applicant to De to

15:56 ↗ identify additional mitigation for um

16:00 ↗ their traffic impact um and and this is

16:04 ↗ going to be part of the sea review uh

16:07 ↗ and just for clarification while

16:09 ↗ normally we are uh we are the lead

16:12 ↗ Agency for sea review for this

16:14 ↗ particular project the school district

16:16 ↗ is the lead

16:17 ↗ agency Transportation impacts um that we

16:21 ↗ are currently reviewing and continue to

16:24 ↗ work with them on um pertains to

16:27 ↗ basically um updating their traffic

16:30 ↗ impact information for four um locations

16:34 ↗ so that's Second Avenue and sunset the

16:37 ↗ school signalize intersection at Second

16:40 ↗ Avenue Southeast Front Street and

16:42 ↗ Southeast Clark and Front Street and

16:44 ↗ sunset

16:46 ↗ way um so it to address the current um

16:51 ↗ um development of additional mitigation

16:55 ↗ uh we are including a uh recommended I

16:59 ↗ as part of this approval which states

17:01 ↗ that the school district shall work with

17:03 ↗ the city once the updated traffic

17:05 ↗ studies completed to define the

17:07 ↗ appropriate proportionate traffic

17:10 ↗ improvements necessary to mitigate the

17:12 ↗ operational and safety impacts at the

17:15 ↗ intersections identified in the updated

17:18 ↗ traffic study final mitigation measures

17:20 ↗ shall be determined prior to issuance of

17:23 ↗ building

17:24 ↗ permits so now I'm going to talk about

17:26 ↗ streets and sidewalks first um I'm going

17:29 ↗ to cover both Evans and Second Avenue

17:33 ↗ Southeast uh this diagram just shows um

17:36 ↗ that the right away for Southeast Evans

17:38 ↗ actually stops um right um right at the

17:42 ↗ edge of the um what is currently the

17:45 ↗ parking

17:47 ↗ lot so this just shows a quick overview

17:51 ↗ I can't I'm not sure if you can discern

17:54 ↗ the difference between the gray areas

17:56 ↗ and the white sometimes the the screen

18:00 ↗ um has a very different effect on

18:02 ↗ Graphics but basically um I'm going to

18:04 ↗ go over um in Greater detail what's

18:07 ↗ going on for Second Avenue I just wanted

18:10 ↗ to show you know where where all these

18:12 ↗ improvements are so starting with the

18:15 ↗ Second Avenue um improvements this is

18:19 ↗ just a view of the intersection of

18:21 ↗ second and events um and the graphic on

18:25 ↗ the right shows um you know how you know

18:28 ↗ where the person is standing when uh

18:30 ↗ this picture was

18:32 ↗ taken so um here are additional views of

18:36 ↗ Second Avenue and notice the difference

18:39 ↗ in the um Frontage improvements um the

18:42 ↗ top photo is actually the frontage along

18:45 ↗ what will be the future middle school

18:48 ↗ and then obviously the lower F photo

18:50 ↗ you're probably familiar with that is

18:52 ↗ the frontage along the high school so um

18:56 ↗ when the middle school gets developed um

18:59 ↗ we will we will see something in between

19:02 ↗ the bottom and the and the top photo and

19:04 ↗ I'm going to talk about that so um as a

19:07 ↗ summary these are the the highlights of

19:09 ↗ the major improvements for Second Avenue

19:12 ↗ we're going to have a new 10-ft bike

19:15 ↗ pedestrian shared use route with a 5

19:17 ↗ foot Street tree planter so Second

19:20 ↗ Avenue will include Street trees and

19:22 ↗ Street lighting um so this is a little

19:25 ↗ different than the frontage on um the

19:27 ↗ high school because the high school

19:29 ↗ doesn't have a 10-ft wide bike

19:30 ↗ pedestrian route um we're also going to

19:33 ↗ get new curb ramps at the new uh at the

19:36 ↗ uh bus the bus yard because they're

19:39 ↗ moving their um access drive further

19:42 ↗ north um we're getting new crosswalks

19:46 ↗ and curb Rams at the intersection of

19:48 ↗ Evans and Second Avenue and a and a new

19:52 ↗ connection to the existing trail near

19:55 ↗ the skate

19:56 ↗ park um and so now I'm going to talk

19:59 ↗ about second I'm sorry um before I talk

20:02 ↗ about Second Avenue so um one of the U

20:06 ↗ one of the uh elements of the Second

20:10 ↗ Avenue improvements that uh we are

20:13 ↗ conditioning is the existence of new

20:16 ↗ retaining walls

20:19 ↗ um I I may not have been here in the

20:22 ↗ previous um meetings but um I did get a

20:25 ↗ chance to review some of the comments

20:27 ↗ and um see like the retaining oil was

20:30 ↗ one of the issues that was brought up by

20:31 ↗ the commission um we are uh requiring

20:35 ↗ actually two two related uh conditions

20:39 ↗ in the in the uh staff report uh one

20:42 ↗ that talks about just retaining walls

20:45 ↗ and um that and and that includes three

20:49 ↗ potential ways of mitigating those

20:51 ↗ retaining walls and the other has to do

20:54 ↗ with retaining walls with fences which

20:57 ↗ is um similar to the one that's on

20:59 ↗ Second Avenue Southeast and um it's um

21:03 ↗ and again for

21:04 ↗ mitigation um it's it's U addressing the

21:08 ↗ uh effect of tall walls on public

21:11 ↗ streets and for that we um have

21:14 ↗ identified potential Solutions such as

21:18 ↗ incorporating artwork into the wall

21:20 ↗ installing a trellis and planted with

21:22 ↗ vines and providing a message board or

21:25 ↗ other creative treatment Now The Message

21:27 ↗ Board is not um appropriate for the

21:30 ↗ public streets but all throughout the

21:32 ↗ site there's actually several uh 13 foot

21:36 ↗ high retaining walls um so those may be

21:39 ↗ more appropriate places for other types

21:42 ↗ of um mitigation that also appeals to

21:46 ↗ the students in the

21:48 ↗ campus existing conditions on Southeast

21:51 ↗ Evans um um the photo D shows uh the

21:57 ↗ view looking toward towards Second

21:59 ↗ Avenue Southeast and photo e shows the

22:03 ↗ uh view looking towards um the access

22:08 ↗ drive to the uh isqua Sportsman's Club

22:12 ↗ the uh photo e if you would um take a

22:16 ↗ moment you'll notice how the road

22:18 ↗ actually Narrows

22:20 ↗ significantly um from the um from the

22:22 ↗ foreground to the background um and and

22:26 ↗ this I'll talk about a little bit when

22:28 ↗ you see the proposal um so this one

22:31 ↗ shows additional photos this time of the

22:35 ↗ uh backyards of the residential area

22:37 ↗ just north of Evans um again this is one

22:41 ↗ of the um concerns from previous

22:44 ↗ meetings regarding the impacts of future

22:49 ↗ uh uh buses and vehicles coming in on

22:52 ↗ Evans so this is what um is currently um

22:57 ↗ the condition of the

22:59 ↗ backyards um and as you go further east

23:02 ↗ you'll which is G you'll notice how the

23:05 ↗ houses start get um setting back a

23:08 ↗ little bit further and also how there

23:11 ↗ are additional trees that um that buffer

23:15 ↗ the houses from the

23:17 ↗ road so for Southeast Evans um they are

23:21 ↗ proposing six foot wide sidewalks and um

23:24 ↗ ramps for where you have the driveway

23:27 ↗ entrances

23:28 ↗ five foot Planters with Street trees

23:31 ↗ curbed and gutters and Street lighting

23:34 ↗ um I encircled this area because this is

23:36 ↗ the same area that you saw earlier in

23:38 ↗ the photo where this is how they're

23:40 ↗ transitioning the difference in the

23:42 ↗ width of the street so they're not

23:44 ↗ necessarily widening Evans as you go

23:47 ↗ further east um but they're providing

23:50 ↗ additional um landscape buffer uh for

23:54 ↗ what will be part of a future parking

23:57 ↗ lot uh adjacent or or above I shouldn't

24:01 ↗ say across the street from Evans and um

24:04 ↗ looking at the backyards of the

24:06 ↗ residential

24:08 ↗ area existing conditions Rainer Trail is

24:12 ↗ one of the um um offside amenities but

24:16 ↗ that is um that definitely a great

24:19 ↗ amenity um adjacent to the school so the

24:22 ↗ diagram on the right shows two treatment

24:26 ↗ of radier Trail the solid line shows

24:28 ↗ where the trail is actually a paved uh

24:32 ↗ 10 foot wide um uh facility and then

24:37 ↗ where you see the dash lines um they

24:39 ↗ they are more reflective of what you see

24:43 ↗ in letter H and letter I so these are

24:47 ↗ natural um almost informal sort of

24:51 ↗ trails so here you see we're showing

24:55 ↗ additional views of that trail um um um

24:59 ↗ on the east side of the trail um we see

25:04 ↗ a variation again on the treatment K

25:08 ↗ shows you a more paved uh definitely

25:11 ↗ flat area that uh is wheelchair

25:14 ↗ accessible and then um the trail

25:16 ↗ actually and unfortunately this what

25:19 ↗ this shows you really is more of the the

25:22 ↗ difference in the grade on the site and

25:25 ↗ how that U grade change um in in so many

25:28 ↗ ways predicates where the trail end

25:33 ↗ up so um so this is fresh uh information

25:38 ↗ for us and this is um actually uh

25:41 ↗ provided to you as additional

25:42 ↗ information today it's uh it's one of

25:45 ↗ the exhibits that uh we we have um

25:48 ↗ included in your um in your um in your

25:52 ↗ chair um this shows what the applicant

25:55 ↗ is proposing as a relocated um for for

25:58 ↗ the relocation of the existing Trail

26:01 ↗ that's going through their site uh

26:03 ↗ basically um it shows an alignment that

26:07 ↗ um runs along um Southeast Evans um or

26:11 ↗ what is really an access drive and then

26:14 ↗ um comes around and let me see if I can

26:17 ↗ point to it so comes around and then

26:19 ↗ goes south on one side of again the

26:22 ↗ access Drive uh to get to um the

26:26 ↗ Sportsman's Club um they are also

26:29 ↗ proposing so what they're proposing is a

26:31 ↗ six foot wide gravel path and two gravel

26:35 ↗ parking spaces at what would would be um

26:40 ↗ the start of a um the the uh informal

26:43 ↗ trail that I showed

26:46 ↗ earlier so staff um um has two concerns

26:51 ↗ about this um this proposal uh one has

26:54 ↗ to do with where they're proposing the

26:57 ↗ Crossing for the trail on the access

27:01 ↗ Drive um this area is where most of the

27:04 ↗ buses will come in um and uh where where

27:07 ↗ faculty uh Vehicles will come in so this

27:10 ↗ this is uh this could potentially be a

27:13 ↗ an unsafe area for uh pedestrian

27:16 ↗ Crossing um and then and then the other

27:20 ↗ um thing we not that is how the 5- foot

27:22 ↗ wide gravel Trail is not an equivalent

27:25 ↗ replacement for the existing Cave Trail

27:28 ↗ inside the school district

27:32 ↗ property so here's a

27:35 ↗ view um of what the access Drive looks

27:38 ↗ like um so even though it says no

27:40 ↗ parking um you have a lot of um

27:43 ↗ basically high school kids uh parking on

27:46 ↗ the street or on the driveway on both

27:48 ↗ sides of uh the um the area and um there

27:53 ↗ are no sidewalks there are no curves

27:56 ↗ these these edges are not

28:00 ↗ developed so what um staff is proposing

28:03 ↗ as a as as an alternative is um maybe um

28:08 ↗ moving the crossing further north or

28:12 ↗ further north Northeast where uh there's

28:16 ↗ less opportunities for um conflicts with

28:20 ↗ um like a hight traffic volume um and um

28:25 ↗ So based on that uh we we also would

28:28 ↗ like to see um the U the trail move to

28:32 ↗ the north side instead of the south side

28:35 ↗ and um the C that currently and we'd

28:38 ↗ like to make a note of this that the

28:40 ↗ city street standards for pave Trails is

28:44 ↗ a minimum of 12 feet now we're not going

28:47 ↗ to ask for 12 feet um we're willing to

28:50 ↗ uh basically consider a six foot wide

28:53 ↗ gravel path and um so he these are

28:57 ↗ basically what we are uh proposing as uh

29:01 ↗ conditions for the trail the

29:05 ↗ um D7 is actually a condition for

29:10 ↗ another Trail on the um west side of um

29:14 ↗ West Side the West leg of rer and I'm

29:18 ↗ sorry I didn't have a Graphic for that

29:20 ↗ um but it's in the staff report and

29:22 ↗ again we don't have any issues with that

29:24 ↗ and um and so uh hopefully if you if if

29:28 ↗ you'd like me

29:29 ↗ to um show you where that is I can do

29:32 ↗ that later but um the other condition D9

29:37 ↗ um is

29:38 ↗ actually uh originally we had a

29:40 ↗ different condition that we would like

29:42 ↗ to revise based on the new information

29:44 ↗ we received today um and and basically

29:48 ↗ um acknowledges that we do need to um

29:51 ↗ work with the applicant on the final

29:54 ↗ alignment for this Trail but also um um

29:58 ↗ uh in terms of timing when we would like

30:01 ↗ this to be approved and it also

30:04 ↗ considers how um the trail crosses the

30:07 ↗ axis Road um

30:09 ↗ so um I'm not going to read it's it's a

30:13 ↗ it's a long condition but hopefully um

30:16 ↗ you have it in your motion sheet um word

30:20 ↗ for word so hopefully uh that that's

30:22 ↗ sufficient for tonight's

30:25 ↗ meeting so side elements in included in

30:28 ↗ the in the master side plan that will

30:31 ↗ not be constructed at this time um there

30:33 ↗ are two items that were mentioned and uh

30:37 ↗ that they did that I did mention also in

30:39 ↗ the staff report one has to do with the

30:42 ↗ um portable classrooms um that will

30:45 ↗ eventually be located between the

30:48 ↗ playfields and uh the classroom wing and

30:52 ↗ then the other had to do with um

30:56 ↗ basically um uh let's see the um the

31:00 ↗ parking area that's shown in some plans

31:03 ↗ and not shown on other plans right now

31:05 ↗ but eventually it's the area that they'd

31:07 ↗ like to uh currently it's all trees uh

31:11 ↗ that they'd like to eventually um

31:14 ↗ develop into a parking lot um the

31:17 ↗ applicant hasn't given us any timeline

31:19 ↗ so for now uh we are addressing them by

31:23 ↗ providing two um conditions um to make

31:27 ↗ sure that when they come in for um for

31:30 ↗ permits that uh we we have certain

31:32 ↗ guidelines on what we're

31:35 ↗ expecting so internal circulation what

31:38 ↗ you're seeing here is a very colorful

31:41 ↗ and um complicated diagram that is

31:45 ↗ basically a product of several meetings

31:48 ↗ with the applicant I'm not going to go

31:50 ↗ through in detail each of these colors

31:54 ↗ um what this shows you is um precisely

31:57 ↗ why we need a diagram like this because

32:00 ↗ there are multiple uh modes of

32:02 ↗ transportation using the same um

32:06 ↗ passages and the same roads um and there

32:09 ↗ and we we wanted to make sure that there

32:12 ↗ are no potential impacts not only on the

32:15 ↗ site but also offsite um on Second

32:18 ↗ Avenue and Evans um the applicant is

32:22 ↗ here to um definitely uh answer any of

32:24 ↗ your questions regarding the internal

32:26 ↗ circulation um because this is really

32:29 ↗ part of their operations and um it is it

32:32 ↗ behooves them to make sure that the

32:35 ↗ whole site both for the high school and

32:37 ↗ the middle school works for all the U

32:40 ↗ students and the parents and the

32:43 ↗ faculty so I'm using this as a diagram

32:46 ↗ to show um basically the relationship

32:49 ↗ between The Pedestrian circulation and

32:53 ↗ uh bike circulation as well as the

32:55 ↗ vehicular circulation so I'd like to

32:57 ↗ just just highlight basically the green

33:00 ↗ that you see here that goes around and

33:02 ↗ connects back to Second Avenue Southeast

33:05 ↗ that's basically The Pedestrian and bike

33:07 ↗ circulation for the for the Middle

33:09 ↗ School the purple also shows you um The

33:13 ↗ Pedestrian circulation for the high

33:15 ↗ school so as you can see um you know the

33:18 ↗ high school kids uh I guess because

33:20 ↗ they're older you can um you can allow

33:23 ↗ them to walk all the way um and this is

33:25 ↗ the the parking lot that I mentioned

33:27 ↗ earlier here that's um that isn't part

33:30 ↗ of this project but will event might

33:33 ↗ eventually be built um and so um so here

33:39 ↗ here is where you find the busiest area

33:42 ↗ this orange is is where you see the um

33:47 ↗ the combined bus bus Loop or Bus drop

33:51 ↗ off um and you see two colors one is a

33:54 ↗ purple and one is a green line uh

33:58 ↗ green line that's Crossing this and what

34:00 ↗ it's really representing are the high

34:02 ↗ school and the middle school students

34:05 ↗ that will be accessing the Bus drop off

34:07 ↗ bus pickup area um every day on this on

34:12 ↗ this part on this

34:15 ↗ route so um staff was very concerned

34:19 ↗ about how these Crossings are being

34:22 ↗ treated currently the applicant proposes

34:25 ↗ um striping um um and um uh basically um

34:31 ↗ uh relying on the the kids to be able to

34:34 ↗ discern that those are the crosswalks uh

34:37 ↗ we think that U there is a better

34:39 ↗ solution um or at least a safer solution

34:43 ↗ and so we have recommended a condition

34:46 ↗ that requires the applicant to provide

34:48 ↗ an alternative material either concrete

34:52 ↗ use a pattern or a speed table and to

34:55 ↗ use truncated domes um as part of the

34:59 ↗ treatment for these four crosswalks

35:02 ↗ that's that's identified

35:04 ↗ here so now I'd like to talk about

35:07 ↗ design Harmony and compatibility and

35:09 ↗ this has to do with recognizing that a

35:12 ↗ community facility like a school in a

35:16 ↗ predominantly um residential

35:18 ↗ neighborhood could have either impacts

35:20 ↗ on the character of the neighborhood um

35:23 ↗ and particularly where the edges of the

35:26 ↗ school building um about the residential

35:29 ↗ area so this is a this just um again a

35:32 ↗ simplified diagram that shows um you

35:36 ↗ know for for there are five different um

35:40 ↗ criteria for design Harmony that's

35:42 ↗ identified in the de in the design

35:44 ↗ standards so the first one Building

35:46 ↗ height um I I mentioned earlier that

35:49 ↗ this building exceeds the height limit

35:52 ↗ for the area uh and the and the zoning

35:55 ↗ District um however when you look at how

35:58 ↗ the building is sighted and you see how

36:01 ↗ far it's set back from the streets um

36:04 ↗ this helps mitigate for U the scale of

36:07 ↗ the building um and obviously you we

36:10 ↗ also have U several buffer landscape

36:13 ↗ buffers here um that also helps and

36:16 ↗ contributes to mitigating the height

36:18 ↗ effect um the other the other issue has

36:22 ↗ to do with noise um and and and um I

36:26 ↗ indicated here generally where the gun

36:29 ↗ club noise the the is it Sportsman's

36:32 ↗ Club uh has um a firing range and the

36:35 ↗ noise is coming from this side um and

36:38 ↗ the the best mitigation really for this

36:40 ↗ building is uh the again um once you

36:44 ↗ look at the floor plan you'll see that

36:46 ↗ this is the classroom wing and this is

36:49 ↗ where you have um more of the enclosed

36:52 ↗ spaces you have the bandroom you have um

36:55 ↗ again the cafeteria which you know can

36:58 ↗ can tolerate a lot more noise so in so

37:00 ↗ many ways this building Shields the the

37:03 ↗ classroom Wing from um the noise that's

37:06 ↗ coming from the

37:09 ↗ East so another aspect of design Harmony

37:12 ↗ has to do with blank walls um this these

37:16 ↗ are the elevation drawings for the

37:18 ↗ building and I have two different type

37:21 ↗ categories of circles here I've

37:23 ↗ identified where um so Black Walls exist

37:27 ↗ on every elevation of this building

37:29 ↗ however there's a difference between the

37:31 ↗ blank walls that are um uh very visible

37:35 ↗ to the public you know because of uh so

37:38 ↗ the first one is the main entrance so

37:40 ↗ you have the gym and then you also have

37:43 ↗ um this side which is the one that the

37:46 ↗ the side that's facing the sports field

37:48 ↗ again a very um highly traffic uh a high

37:53 ↗ traffic area um and then um and then

37:57 ↗ this elev a is the elevation that faces

37:59 ↗ Second Avenue I'm sorry that that faces

38:03 ↗ Evan Street um and and and right across

38:06 ↗ the street from the neighborhood from

38:08 ↗ the residential neighborhood so the so

38:11 ↗ um the yellow Dash lines basically

38:14 ↗ acknowledges that these are blank walls

38:16 ↗ however special conditions exist that um

38:20 ↗ make us feel that this this is not as

38:23 ↗ big of an issue as the ones that are

38:25 ↗ circled in red uh for since this is the

38:28 ↗ loading dock so we don't really want to

38:30 ↗ attract any more attention to the

38:32 ↗ loading dock and there won't be any

38:34 ↗ pedestrians in this area so it it's it's

38:38 ↗ really not a good idea to mitigate that

38:41 ↗ area um over here again this is the

38:45 ↗ loading dock there's a low wall here um

38:48 ↗ this is uh facing basically the wooded

38:51 ↗ area and so and and and there it's less

38:54 ↗ of a concern um as well as has um this

38:58 ↗ side um um this is a blank wall right

39:01 ↗ next to the entrance to the faculty uh

39:05 ↗ lnge and um in in a big scheme of things

39:08 ↗ this again this this area has a parking

39:11 ↗ lot here um and there could be there

39:14 ↗ could be mitigation for for this area

39:17 ↗ and I've also included them in the

39:19 ↗ report however for tonight's

39:21 ↗ presentation I want to focus on the red

39:25 ↗ circles okay sorry let me oops how do I

39:30 ↗ go back so the first one I wanted to

39:33 ↗ address is this um it's the classroom

39:37 ↗ Wing this is this the side that's facing

39:40 ↗ Evans um

39:42 ↗ um so we I've talked to the architect

39:45 ↗ about designing this so that it it could

39:49 ↗ potentially if if if the walls were just

39:53 ↗ shifted a little bit it would create a

39:55 ↗ better proportion for the short short

39:58 ↗ wall and the long wall um and again it

40:02 ↗ um it's something that um is not um as

40:06 ↗ big of an issue and something that I'm

40:07 ↗ not going to illustrate here but it

40:09 ↗ would basically U follow more of the

40:12 ↗ same uh concept here where you have a

40:14 ↗ skinnier wall and then a wall that's

40:17 ↗ maybe twice as wide of it as it as part

40:20 ↗ of um the design vocabulary for the

40:23 ↗ building so the two other areas uh this

40:26 ↗ one is the main entrance right and this

40:28 ↗ is the gym um uh we are recommending

40:33 ↗ that the applicant provide a covered

40:35 ↗ walkway similar to what they're

40:37 ↗ proposing for the courtyard this will

40:40 ↗ serve two purposes it would uh provide

40:43 ↗ weather covering for the drop this is

40:46 ↗ the main parent drop off visitor drop

40:49 ↗ off area so there's actually parallel

40:52 ↗ parking provided here and at the same

40:54 ↗ time it will mitigate the blank wall

40:56 ↗ effect this photo on the left shows how

41:00 ↗ that works because um you have a

41:03 ↗ horizontal element um it breaks the line

41:05 ↗ of sight and creates a more intimate

41:08 ↗ space where whereas if uh people were

41:12 ↗ just walking along this wall it will

41:14 ↗ feel more

41:16 ↗ overwhelming so the other elevation

41:18 ↗ shows uh the two blank walls um in the

41:21 ↗ covered plate uh basketball CT um and we

41:25 ↗ are recommending one of several

41:28 ↗ potential ways of treating it you could

41:30 ↗ either uh incorporate some more in um

41:34 ↗ sculptural or art element or even

41:37 ↗ something as simple as the school um uh

41:40 ↗ logo and um or a seat wall with

41:46 ↗ Planters so uh the two other elements on

41:50 ↗ design Harmony that I'm not going to

41:52 ↗ talk about because they do comply has to

41:54 ↗ do with building modulation as you can

41:57 ↗ see from these two eometric drawings um

42:00 ↗ the the whole building is pretty uh well

42:04 ↗ modulated and um in terms of

42:06 ↗ architectural style they are con very um

42:10 ↗ similar to the high school these are

42:12 ↗ photos of the high school um they're

42:15 ↗ using the same color palette the same

42:17 ↗ materials except the middle school will

42:20 ↗ not have these um wood laminate panels

42:24 ↗ um and it also has almost the same um

42:26 ↗ rect linear

42:28 ↗ modernistic um style to

42:31 ↗ it so as part of the land use

42:34 ↗ compatibility again there there are

42:36 ↗ several um elements in the IMC that

42:40 ↗ helps address these transition areas

42:44 ↗ this diagram this this this is the

42:46 ↗ landscape plan that simply I just wanted

42:48 ↗ to show how uh they are proposing to

42:52 ↗ provide the appropriate types of buffers

42:55 ↗ along Second Avenue Southeast and along

42:58 ↗ Southeast Evans to mitigate for the the

43:01 ↗ parking lots and uh the different types

43:04 ↗ of uses that they're proposing along the

43:07 ↗ public

43:08 ↗ streets and um one of the um other items

43:12 ↗ that uh we did look at are the fences

43:15 ↗ that are proposed for this whole site um

43:19 ↗ there are actually a lot of fences and

43:21 ↗ most of them um are meant to basically

43:25 ↗ uh uh manage the different different um

43:28 ↗ components of the site and uh one area

43:31 ↗ that we are most concerned with is um

43:34 ↗ along again this is this is um Evans and

43:38 ↗ this is the main entrance for the buses

43:41 ↗ and the faculty um they are proposing a

43:44 ↗ Cyclone Fence that runs from the

43:47 ↗ baseball or the softball field and then

43:49 ↗ uh jogs down and connects to the

43:52 ↗ Courtyard um so what we're what we're

43:55 ↗ recommending is that

43:57 ↗ uh per the IMC uh there are SE several

44:00 ↗ ways to mitigate these fences and one is

44:03 ↗ to provide a hedge um to allow the the

44:07 ↗ chain link fence to fade and and be

44:10 ↗ integrated into the

44:12 ↗ Landscaping

44:14 ↗ um so now I wanted to just quickly talk

44:17 ↗ about the critical areas we have

44:19 ↗ wetlands and steep slopes uh primarily

44:22 ↗ well yeah primarily along um the bus

44:26 ↗ barn

44:27 ↗ and um so these views show examples of

44:30 ↗ the

44:31 ↗ Wetland uh and um and and we and

44:35 ↗ basically these folders were taken along

44:38 ↗ the Rainer Trail um and I don't know if

44:41 ↗ this is clear to you but this this is

44:43 ↗ actually a steep slope that goes up this

44:45 ↗ way so um one of the things we requested

44:49 ↗ from the applicant is

44:51 ↗ verification that this area here where I

44:54 ↗ just showed you a picture um are

44:57 ↗ actually not man-made steep slopes um

45:01 ↗ the IMC allows for an exemption to um

45:04 ↗ steep slopes if they are man-made and if

45:07 ↗ they um don't um exceed a certain height

45:10 ↗ and a certain um angle so uh in your um

45:15 ↗ in your um additional packet tonight

45:17 ↗ again is a letter from their Geotech

45:21 ↗ engineer um confirming that these are

45:23 ↗ actually created when the railroad

45:26 ↗ tracks was um installed along um the

45:30 ↗ side of um the prop well outside of

45:33 ↗ their

45:35 ↗ property so um actually uh this is now

45:39 ↗ obsolete given the new information we

45:41 ↗ got so we can ignore that so in

45:45 ↗ conclusion um in addition to meeting the

45:47 ↗ requirements of the master site plan and

45:49 ↗ site development permit the proposed

45:52 ↗ isqua middle school project complies

45:54 ↗ with the community facility standards in

45:57 ↗ IMC

45:58 ↗ 1807

46:01 ↗ 18.7 480 subject to the proposed

46:04 ↗ conditions of approval provided in the

46:06 ↗ staff

46:08 ↗ report and based on the submitted

46:10 ↗ application and plans staff recommends

46:12 ↗ that the development commission moved to

46:15 ↗ recommend to the city council approval

46:18 ↗ of the master site plan and the site

46:19 ↗ development perid for thisa Middle

46:21 ↗ School applications Master side plan MSP

46:25 ↗ 14-

46:27 ↗ 00002 and site development permit sdp

46:31 ↗ 14-

46:33 ↗ 0000001 exhibits one through S now it

46:37 ↗ would have to be one through um 13 and

46:42 ↗ the conditions of approval provided in

46:44 ↗ the staff report and at tonight's public

46:47 ↗ hearing um and uh for and to direct the

46:51 ↗ development services department to

46:53 ↗ prepare findings of fact and conclusions

46:55 ↗ for review and approval by the

46:57 ↗ development commission chairman

46:59 ↗ affirming the development commission's

47:01 ↗ decision to recommend approval of the

47:03 ↗ isqua middle school project file numbers

47:06 ↗ msp1 14-

47:09 ↗ 00002 and sdp1

47:12 ↗ 14-00 001 subject to the conditions

47:15 ↗ listed in the staff report dated

47:17 ↗ February 18 2015 and project draw

47:21 ↗ project drawings received on February 11

47:24 ↗ 2015 and subject to the condition there

47:27 ↗ in and as amended tonight so that

47:30 ↗ concludes my presentation thank

47:34 ↗ you and now um I I'd like to invite

47:37 ↗ David Mount to um uh to speak on behalf

47:40 ↗ of the

47:45 ↗ applicant isqua School

47:50 ↗ District No Ju Just the school district

47:54 ↗ and um this evening I'm representing

47:56 ↗ them and I will inter ruce the the team

47:57 ↗ that is

48:00 ↗ here if if there's any member of the

48:02 ↗ public that wants to speak we'd

48:04 ↗ appreciate it if you'd sign the sheet in

48:06 ↗ and hold your comments or questions

48:08 ↗ until it's public comment time

48:11 ↗ okay that's all right it's you'll have a

48:13 ↗ chance to do that in the public comment

48:22 ↗ time thank you

48:24 ↗ sir right thank you Amy uh good to be

48:27 ↗ back I recognize a number of you from

48:29 ↗ when we were here I think just over over

48:32 ↗ a year ago um my name is David mount

48:34 ↗ with mum Architects the address is 71

48:37 ↗ Columbia Street Seattle Washington

48:40 ↗ 98114 um we like to introduce um other

48:44 ↗ uh members of the team that are here

48:46 ↗ this evening um that certainly um can

48:49 ↗ answer questions and have certainly

48:51 ↗ contributed to this presentation um

48:54 ↗ first of all Steve Crawford and Roy

48:55 ↗ norget from the is School District um

48:58 ↗ with us also is Jennifer Mundi landscape

49:01 ↗ architect Kevin Smith civil engineer

49:04 ↗ Glenn dubrul from the traffic engineer

49:08 ↗ uh we also have a fortune to have a

49:10 ↗ general contractor um as part of our

49:12 ↗ team um so Brian Gormley and Colin

49:15 ↗ mcglenn from Cornerstone engineering and

49:17 ↗ Greg Stewart also from mum Architects

49:19 ↗ there at the end so uh they will help me

49:22 ↗ answer any of your questions um and

49:24 ↗ Jennifer W actually helped me with a

49:26 ↗ portion this presentation as well uh so

49:30 ↗ we are oh that's not going to

49:32 ↗ work uh Amy gave a a very detailed

49:36 ↗ overview and I will try to keep this

49:37 ↗ brief and and hit on things that she

49:39 ↗ maybe didn't go into as much detail on

49:42 ↗ um this is um s a multiphase project and

49:46 ↗ I'll explain what that means um but uh

49:50 ↗ we have on a single site uh the high

49:52 ↗ school as you are aware currently an

49:54 ↗ elementary school and a Community High

49:56 ↗ School scho uh which will ultimately be

49:58 ↗ moving off of the site and the new

50:00 ↗ Middle School which will be taking a

50:01 ↗ place on on the property um and then

50:04 ↗ finally um the transportation U uh

50:07 ↗ Center which is also part of the greater

50:09 ↗ property where there is work uh uh

50:11 ↗ transforming the access point and

50:12 ↗ expanding um some uh some bus parking

50:16 ↗ spaces within that Transportation Center

50:19 ↗ um the a project um in fact I think we

50:22 ↗ may have given Amy um a little

50:25 ↗ misinformation she mentioned 32 Acres

50:27 ↗ we're actually impacting 24 Acres that

50:30 ↗ 32 was I believe the number that was

50:32 ↗ from the previous uh development that

50:34 ↗ you saw so we are actually scaled back

50:36 ↗ and I'll explain that a bit of sort of

50:38 ↗ the site area that we're impacting um

50:41 ↗ 131,000 squ feet approximate Middle

50:43 ↗ School is the primary project that we'll

50:45 ↗ be

50:46 ↗ discussing it's not work today uh so to

50:49 ↗ give you an overview and I'll go into

50:51 ↗ detail around the phasing um we are

50:55 ↗ anticipating to begin Construction this

50:57 ↗ spring with everything wrapping up in

50:59 ↗ the winter of

51:01 ↗ 2017 um and our first phase which will

51:04 ↗ be the major construction phase of the

51:07 ↗ building uh will happen uh through uh

51:11 ↗ really the beginning of school of 2016

51:13 ↗ um that will carry a bit into the fall

51:16 ↗ after school is occupied to button up

51:18 ↗ some site elements um and the property

51:21 ↗ will sit in that condition for a period

51:23 ↗ of time while work is being done to move

51:25 ↗ the other two facil ities off site so

51:28 ↗ the period from October 2016 to July

51:31 ↗ 2017 will be a time when there is little

51:34 ↗ or no work being done on the site and

51:36 ↗ then finally a second phase will happen

51:38 ↗ uh July 2017 through December

51:42 ↗ 2017 and again I'll describe what that

51:45 ↗ means um just to step back um talking

51:49 ↗ about project goals so uh really give

51:51 ↗ you sort of the Genesis for the

51:52 ↗ beginning of this project uh working

51:55 ↗ with a group at the middle school and

51:57 ↗ School District staff to really just uh

51:59 ↗ clarify what the major intent was with

52:02 ↗ moving the uh Middle School uh to this

52:05 ↗ campus uh one important element is

52:07 ↗ actually the creative distinct character

52:10 ↗ of the Middle School um it's a distinct

52:13 ↗ group of students and that it has

52:15 ↗ actually um while has some benefits for

52:18 ↗ sharing site with the high school there

52:19 ↗ is uh there's Clarity between those two

52:22 ↗ buildings um and that drove a lot of the

52:25 ↗ site placement um certainly a facility

52:28 ↗ primarily this is an education facility

52:29 ↗ and meeting the needs specifically of

52:31 ↗ middle uh middle school students not

52:33 ↗ elementary school or high school

52:34 ↗ students but as we design schools there

52:36 ↗ are very specific needs uh both physical

52:39 ↗ and emotional and academic for middle

52:41 ↗ school students so those are important

52:43 ↗ elements in the design of the school I'm

52:45 ↗ incorporating sustainable features

52:46 ↗ really connecting to this beautiful

52:48 ↗ place the site where these buildings sit

52:51 ↗ uh was a strong driver at the high

52:53 ↗ school design and that carries into the

52:54 ↗ middle school um and in into the

52:57 ↗ internal actual educational spaces

53:00 ↗ really thinking about very high quality

53:01 ↗ educational spaces the placement of

53:03 ↗ Windows and the the connections within

53:06 ↗ the school were very important um Design

53:08 ↗ Elements um and and along with that is

53:11 ↗ really about those relationships and

53:13 ↗ spaces within the school and and

53:14 ↗ creating a very um strong uh uh

53:18 ↗ Community within the school and finally

53:21 ↗ um while they are two distinct schools

53:23 ↗ recognizing this is a Civic campus with

53:25 ↗ a lot of public use both from the field

53:28 ↗ and the school facilities and really

53:30 ↗ making sure that's a very cohesive idea

53:32 ↗ um by with the placement of the the

53:35 ↗ middle school which clearly today with

53:37 ↗ Clark Elementary and the high school

53:39 ↗ that's not you know really as a cohesive

53:41 ↗ single campus um so those were really

53:45 ↗ major project goals from the beginning

53:46 ↗ of the project uh we're coming back to

53:50 ↗ you with a a a new uh uh design um that

53:54 ↗ really was a response to some

53:56 ↗ significant change in needs that this

53:57 ↗ school district recognized um with the

54:01 ↗ um anticipated significant growth

54:03 ↗ particularly in the city center of isqua

54:06 ↗ and the enrollment growth that they're

54:07 ↗ anticipating at these schools that serve

54:09 ↗ the city center and that really uh was

54:12 ↗ an opportunity or really a necessity for

54:14 ↗ us to stand back and really think about

54:16 ↗ the the utilization of the site and of

54:19 ↗ the building to uh really anticipate

54:22 ↗ this this growth um and some of those

54:26 ↗ elements um that became um important um

54:30 ↗ which um also uh be was an opportunity

54:35 ↗ to respond to um many of the input that

54:37 ↗ we got um from this commission um at the

54:40 ↗ time and they actually a lot of these

54:43 ↗ things came together and were able to

54:45 ↗ respond to those as well as respond to

54:47 ↗ this sort of future need um and part of

54:49 ↗ that is really using the site as

54:51 ↗ efficiently as possible um part was and

54:54 ↗ as and the building um creating instead

54:57 ↗ of a twostory building a three-story

54:59 ↗ building with the the primary class

55:01 ↗ wings for that ability to to expand but

55:04 ↗ also um to make sure that there is

55:06 ↗ adequate site areas U remaining on the

55:09 ↗ site um to uh collapse the uh bus

55:15 ↗ loading um between the two schools into

55:18 ↗ a single area and to really rethink

55:20 ↗ about the programming of the site

55:21 ↗ elements like the field so that we can

55:24 ↗ get more use out of the field and also

55:27 ↗ impact less of the property uh so some

55:30 ↗ of those elements and I apologize I

55:32 ↗ realize everyone wasn't here for the

55:33 ↗ previous um uh design so I won't I won't

55:38 ↗ assume that that but our as Amy

55:40 ↗ described the existing High School sits

55:42 ↗ here with its parking um with a primary

55:44 ↗ entry point uh with the traffic light on

55:46 ↗ Second Avenue U what our uh redesign

55:51 ↗ allowed us to do was really to um um get

55:55 ↗ the the most use out of this major uh

55:58 ↗ single entry point to the site um with

56:01 ↗ our our circulation really allowing the

56:03 ↗ two front doors of the school to be uh

56:06 ↗ uh facing each other and becoming um

56:08 ↗ equally important as one comes on to the

56:11 ↗ site um we were um with the um we were

56:16 ↗ also able to um for those who recall we

56:20 ↗ were actually developing quite a bit of

56:22 ↗ the site area on this portion of the

56:24 ↗ property um the redes allowed us to uh

56:28 ↗ really distinguish an area that was

56:30 ↗ going to be dedicated to high school use

56:32 ↗ um this is High School tennis courts

56:34 ↗ High School softball fields and practice

56:35 ↗ fields and a future High School expanded

56:39 ↗ parking up here um and allow that to be

56:42 ↗ um separate from an area that was very

56:45 ↗ much dedicated to the middle school and

56:46 ↗ its athletic facilities softball field

56:49 ↗ uh track and field here um with as I

56:54 ↗ said the element of shared use being the

56:57 ↗ Bus drop off to allow buses not to need

56:59 ↗ to exit the high school and then

57:01 ↗ re-enter the site the middle school we

57:03 ↗ were we rethought how those spices would

57:05 ↗ circulate on and off of the site to be

57:07 ↗ able to serve both

57:14 ↗ properties U some of the common elements

57:16 ↗ to the previous design were really about

57:18 ↗ the design of the middle school with a

57:20 ↗ protected inner Courtyard uh very

57:22 ↗ intentional about creating a a safe

57:24 ↗ place for middle schoolers to access um

57:28 ↗ you know out outside directly outside of

57:30 ↗ science classrooms and outside their

57:31 ↗ common spaces very different approach

57:33 ↗ from the high school which was very much

57:35 ↗ about sort of opening up to the

57:36 ↗ community and being sort of sending

57:38 ↗ those kids out into the world um it was

57:40 ↗ important to have a very clear

57:43 ↗ delineation between uh the outside and S

57:46 ↗ the interior of the school um also by um

57:51 ↗ placing uh the track and field on the

57:53 ↗ west side of the site um we did move

57:56 ↗ the gymnasium and the athletic functions

57:59 ↗ uh within the building to better connect

58:02 ↗ all those outside play areas um west of

58:05 ↗ the main

58:10 ↗ facility may go into a little bit more

58:12 ↗ detail about site circulation because I

58:14 ↗ know that's a a very important element

58:16 ↗ and this will describe the site um a

58:18 ↗ little bit more detail how it will

58:19 ↗ actually function and Amy touched on

58:22 ↗ this with a kind of overwhelming um uh

58:26 ↗ site circulation diagram with I've

58:27 ↗ pulled out the individual pieces so I

58:29 ↗ think will help everyone understand how

58:31 ↗ this is will work a little bit better uh

58:33 ↗ so the first later is the parent and

58:35 ↗ visitor vehicle so for the most part

58:37 ↗ what you see on the south portion of the

58:39 ↗ site are existing circulation routes

58:42 ↗ that will continue for the high school

58:43 ↗ so parents visitors have a drop off area

58:46 ↗ and they come and go through the main

58:48 ↗ entry area uh We've again really tried

58:52 ↗ to maximize the use of this main entry

58:54 ↗ um to keep access to the school in one

58:57 ↗ location and have our Loop off of that

59:00 ↗ same main drive to become a parent drop

59:03 ↗ off and visitor access Loop to the to

59:06 ↗ the middle school we have the option of

59:08 ↗ actually extending all the way down to a

59:10 ↗ turnaround behind the high school um the

59:14 ↗ queuing lane for uh for parents that uh

59:17 ↗ might get early and might start and

59:20 ↗ we'll wait and uh for the kids to be let

59:23 ↗ out

59:26 ↗ uh staff Vehicles U we are um suggesting

59:30 ↗ staff um utilize both Evans as well as

59:34 ↗ the main entry to the the campus um

59:38 ↗ again High School stff circulation

59:40 ↗ remains very much as is and this the

59:42 ↗ Middle School circulation uh circulates

59:45 ↗ to the primary staff parking lot which

59:47 ↗ are to the East and to the north of the

59:50 ↗ campus and because this uh parking is

59:53 ↗ also at the North End serving this end

59:55 ↗ of the building um and for various other

59:59 ↗ needs for Access we imagine this will be

1:00:02 ↗ uh for some staff a preferred route of

1:00:04 ↗ coming and going along

1:00:08 ↗ Evans student vehicles uh this uh is uh

1:00:13 ↗ again the primary route for uh the

1:00:17 ↗ students that are driving currently for

1:00:18 ↗ the high school uh we don't have any

1:00:20 ↗ students driving in the Middle School um

1:00:22 ↗ but we will have additional high school

1:00:25 ↗ parking um the at off of Evans and then

1:00:29 ↗ um a future parking lot and an existing

1:00:32 ↗ small gravel parking lot that exists off

1:00:34 ↗ of Evans here as well the intent is to

1:00:37 ↗ uh avoid all traffic of students

1:00:40 ↗ actually going through the high school

1:00:41 ↗ so those are very two distinct areas for

1:00:43 ↗ the high schoolers to arrive

1:00:45 ↗ driving uh the buses uh which were um uh

1:00:50 ↗ one of the more important elements to

1:00:52 ↗ place in a way that could serve both

1:00:55 ↗ schools

1:00:56 ↗ will be entering on Evans Street and

1:00:58 ↗ that uh is one of the motivations for an

1:01:02 ↗ access point here and we'll be

1:01:04 ↗ circulating here in two lines at a place

1:01:07 ↗ where the pickup and drop off will occur

1:01:09 ↗ in between the two schools and Amy

1:01:11 ↗ described bit how that works but I can

1:01:13 ↗ show you also The Pedestrian circulation

1:01:15 ↗ those buses then will exit with the

1:01:17 ↗ traffic light at the main

1:01:21 ↗ entry middle middle school pedestrian

1:01:24 ↗ bicycle circulation

1:01:26 ↗ off of Second Avenue um

1:01:30 ↗ around the the coming in off of Second

1:01:34 ↗ Avenue connects to the front door of the

1:01:36 ↗ middle school and also allows for uh

1:01:39 ↗ access to the bus area on on the south

1:01:42 ↗ edge of this parking

1:01:45 ↗ lot High School circulation will stay

1:01:47 ↗ very much as it does now with the

1:01:50 ↗ exception of the high school students

1:01:51 ↗ that will be using the bus and they will

1:01:53 ↗ come across a single controlled access

1:01:56 ↗ point here and then uh disperse across

1:02:00 ↗ here um to a place where they will be

1:02:02 ↗ picked up for the buses

1:02:04 ↗ U

1:02:06 ↗ this uh these elements here will be um

1:02:10 ↗ staffed at all times when buses are

1:02:12 ↗ Avail available because of the number of

1:02:14 ↗ students that will be coming and going

1:02:15 ↗ from both schools um it's a normal

1:02:18 ↗ operations for schools to actually staff

1:02:20 ↗ The Crossings to make sure that that is

1:02:22 ↗ a safe transition the high schoolers

1:02:25 ↗ will also have

1:02:26 ↗ part of an existing route um up to the

1:02:30 ↗ parking lot up

1:02:34 ↗ there I'll describe that in a little

1:02:36 ↗ less um detail or a little less um with

1:02:40 ↗ the interim sites as well in a

1:02:44 ↗ moment so phasing um these are actually

1:02:48 ↗ some drawings that are the beginnings of

1:02:50 ↗ the logistic plans for the general

1:02:52 ↗ contractor who is able to help us in um

1:02:56 ↗ planning for the phasing of the so I

1:03:00 ↗ apologize for how faint it is but the

1:03:01 ↗ existing Clark Elementary School sit

1:03:04 ↗ here existing Tiger Mountain Elementary

1:03:05 ↗ School and then the new Middle School

1:03:07 ↗ here um what we will have is a very

1:03:10 ↗ clear delineation around the

1:03:12 ↗ construction fencing uh both solid and

1:03:15 ↗ chain link fencing that will occur along

1:03:17 ↗ here to allow the construction

1:03:18 ↗ activities to be contained within this

1:03:21 ↗ general area here um for Tiger Mountain

1:03:25 ↗ Elementary

1:03:26 ↗ sorry Tiger Mountain High School uh

1:03:29 ↗ their uh usage of the parking lot is

1:03:32 ↗ largely unchanged here uh we are uh

1:03:36 ↗ reconfiguring uh some of the parking

1:03:39 ↗ areas around Clark ele to allow for both

1:03:42 ↗ fire access and expanded parking in

1:03:45 ↗ Clark but Clark um will largely operate

1:03:48 ↗ as it does today with the exception that

1:03:50 ↗ they will not have their Playfield

1:03:51 ↗ available to them so we are um expanding

1:03:54 ↗ some areas to allow them to have more or

1:03:56 ↗ um outdoor play

1:03:58 ↗ areas um and again High School schoolers

1:04:01 ↗ will continue to use this lot and access

1:04:03 ↗ along this edge of the site with

1:04:05 ↗ construction happening in this area

1:04:08 ↗ primary a construction access will be

1:04:10 ↗ off of Evans

1:04:15 ↗ Road during the interum phase what I

1:04:17 ↗ just described will largely remain

1:04:19 ↗ intact um with the the separation

1:04:21 ↗ between the two schools um I'll describe

1:04:25 ↗ this a little bit more more detail but

1:04:26 ↗ what we have is a a partially completed

1:04:29 ↗ parent uh drop off Loop occurring here

1:04:34 ↗ buses will remain in the current

1:04:36 ↗ location at the high school um and the

1:04:40 ↗ parking as I described at Tiger and um

1:04:43 ↗ Clark will will stay as in the first

1:04:46 ↗ phase the Final Phase um over the summer

1:04:50 ↗ of

1:04:51 ↗ 2017 all the areas in the blue will be

1:04:54 ↗ completed so the major site elements

1:04:57 ↗ around uh vehicular and pedestrian

1:04:59 ↗ circulation will be completed prior to

1:05:01 ↗ school starting so at that point um the

1:05:04 ↗ buildings will also be demolished and

1:05:06 ↗ the school will start to operate in its

1:05:08 ↗ final State and then through the fall

1:05:11 ↗ the fields will be

1:05:16 ↗ completed I won't go into too much

1:05:18 ↗ detail here because I think I've

1:05:19 ↗ described that mostly uh Clark and tiger

1:05:24 ↗ um parent drop off uh somewhat reduced

1:05:27 ↗ but still the same concept around access

1:05:30 ↗ to the middle school will occur for

1:05:32 ↗ parents um staff again in much the same

1:05:36 ↗ way they currently operate and much the

1:05:38 ↗ same way they will operate at the middle

1:05:42 ↗ school high school students will again

1:05:46 ↗ be with the exception uh of not having

1:05:50 ↗ full access to this parking they will

1:05:52 ↗ have very similar

1:05:54 ↗ operation um

1:05:56 ↗ buses will occur down here see as well

1:06:00 ↗ as buses for Clark here as a Cate

1:06:04 ↗ operates and then um student

1:06:10 ↗ circulation and at this point we will

1:06:12 ↗ have be having middle schoolers that

1:06:14 ↗ will actually be um coming down here to

1:06:16 ↗ use the High School Bus Loop during uh

1:06:19 ↗ this interim time

1:06:23 ↗ period High School pedestrian

1:06:25 ↗ circulation

1:06:27 ↗ um and then finally fire access um will

1:06:31 ↗ some of the the modifications are

1:06:34 ↗ actually to allow for adequate access to

1:06:36 ↗ both Clark and the middle school during

1:06:39 ↗ U this interim

1:06:45 ↗ period so before I jump into the

1:06:48 ↗ building design I'm going to um as tener

1:06:49 ↗ to come up and talk a little bit about

1:06:51 ↗ the site elements program elements and

1:06:53 ↗ then I'll move inside the building

1:06:55 ↗ just put the arrow

1:06:58 ↗ okay uh my name is Jennifer Mundy I'm

1:07:00 ↗ the landscape architect on the project

1:07:02 ↗ with Cascade design collaborative uh we

1:07:04 ↗ are also located in Seattle on Western

1:07:07 ↗ Avenue um so I'd like to quickly

1:07:10 ↗ describe uh how we are um responding to

1:07:14 ↗ some of the perimeter buffer

1:07:16 ↗ requirements um along Second Avenue here

1:07:20 ↗ we have a um a type one buffer

1:07:24 ↗ requirement along along the wall edge of

1:07:28 ↗ the track and we also were providing the

1:07:31 ↗ type one uh for all of our parking lot

1:07:36 ↗ edges when we are uh screening when we

1:07:40 ↗ are um putting something in front of the

1:07:43 ↗ uh Playfield it's the reduced the type

1:07:45 ↗ three buffer that we'll be providing so

1:07:47 ↗ it isn't quite as dense as the type 1

1:07:50 ↗ more solid Evergreen

1:07:51 ↗ buffers uh there are some patches of

1:07:57 ↗ existing Woods then we're trying to save

1:07:59 ↗ as much of them as possible um and in

1:08:01 ↗ the design of the buffers we're going to

1:08:04 ↗ utilize n native materials and try to

1:08:07 ↗ put in plants that will grow and fill in

1:08:10 ↗ Evergreen screening as quickly as

1:08:12 ↗ possible um the concept for our uh

1:08:18 ↗ school grounds is really rooted in

1:08:22 ↗ providing a safe um education space for

1:08:26 ↗ the elementary I mean the middle school

1:08:28 ↗ students uh since I was just going to

1:08:30 ↗ say this is not um an elementary school

1:08:31 ↗ it's middle school and we have um a

1:08:34 ↗ different uh learning environment

1:08:38 ↗ different capabilities of the students

1:08:40 ↗ and different interests um so in

1:08:42 ↗ designing the spaces around the building

1:08:45 ↗ we were paying special attention to the

1:08:46 ↗ needs of the middle school kids they um

1:08:50 ↗ they like to climb on things still

1:08:51 ↗ they're really energetic and want to

1:08:53 ↗ move around but they're also very social

1:08:55 ↗ and want to hang out in in comfortable

1:08:58 ↗ groupings and so we've got a lot of

1:09:02 ↗ edges kind of edes of spaces where um

1:09:05 ↗ for instance at the main entry as you're

1:09:07 ↗ coming in there is a space here that

1:09:10 ↗ allows for parents to interact and pause

1:09:14 ↗ and have a conversation and there's some

1:09:16 ↗ benches to wait to be picked up to

1:09:18 ↗ create a a pleasant feeling entry

1:09:20 ↗ environment and then we have this lovely

1:09:23 ↗ Courtyard that provides as David was

1:09:26 ↗ saying a a very um comfortable

1:09:29 ↗ environment that is protected shielded

1:09:31 ↗ from the noise from above um and

1:09:34 ↗ provides in this corner a a stepped

1:09:37 ↗ Amphitheater type Gathering

1:09:39 ↗ space and um along this so the ground

1:09:43 ↗ floor classrooms here are the science

1:09:45 ↗ classrooms and we're creating what we're

1:09:47 ↗ calling science porches so the students

1:09:50 ↗ can spill out from the science rooms and

1:09:52 ↗ do experiments outside uh we've got on

1:09:56 ↗ the site low impact development

1:09:59 ↗ strategies to deal with storm water and

1:10:01 ↗ so there's rain Gardens in the courtyard

1:10:04 ↗ and Rain Gardens outside of the building

1:10:06 ↗ here that will be doubling as

1:10:08 ↗ demonstration educational facilities so

1:10:10 ↗ the students can learn about how

1:10:12 ↗ infiltration happens they could do water

1:10:14 ↗ quality testing that sort of thing um

1:10:18 ↗ and on the subject of low impact

1:10:20 ↗ development um we are

1:10:23 ↗ providing rain Garden infil rtion areas

1:10:26 ↗ to treat the storm water throughout the

1:10:28 ↗ site so we're keeping the water on the

1:10:31 ↗ site and using the fact that this

1:10:33 ↗ particular property has really quick

1:10:35 ↗ infiltration rate and and we can have

1:10:38 ↗ the water get filtered and screened and

1:10:40 ↗ go through into the re um charging the

1:10:43 ↗ aquifer so the um the water flowing off

1:10:47 ↗ the parking lot spaces will go into a

1:10:49 ↗ rain garden and get filtered uh the

1:10:52 ↗ water flowing from this area will go

1:10:54 ↗ into a rain Garden down

1:10:55 ↗ here uh the parking lot up here will

1:10:58 ↗ have rain Gardens uh the central drop

1:11:01 ↗ off parking lot has a rain Garden in the

1:11:03 ↗ middle so we're um encouraging that sort

1:11:07 ↗ of treatment of the water as well as on

1:11:10 ↗ Evans we are creating a a treatment

1:11:13 ↗ facility here that doubles as a buffer

1:11:17 ↗ between the neighbors and the school so

1:11:19 ↗ we're trying to use double duty wherever

1:11:21 ↗ we can take advantage of that in the in

1:11:24 ↗ the design

1:11:26 ↗ um you'll also notice that the Portables

1:11:28 ↗ here that if we need to put them in uh

1:11:31 ↗ we took a queue from the way the tiger

1:11:34 ↗ alternative high schools designed and

1:11:36 ↗ how actually very lovely those portable

1:11:38 ↗ buildings are with all of their Vine

1:11:40 ↗ Maples and things around so that's the

1:11:42 ↗ concept for these Portables that they

1:11:45 ↗ won't be just lined up um that but

1:11:48 ↗ they'll be clustered to create a

1:11:50 ↗ community space and have some vegetation

1:11:52 ↗ around them so that they'll be a

1:11:54 ↗ pleasant space and not sort of the the

1:11:58 ↗ unwelcomed place to have to go to class

1:12:00 ↗ it'll be the fun place to go to

1:12:04 ↗ class uh so I I guess I should quickly

1:12:07 ↗ say so there are um athletic fields here

1:12:10 ↗ this is going to be a Synthetic Turf uh

1:12:13 ↗ field with a running track around and

1:12:16 ↗ we've got a Amphitheater uh series of

1:12:20 ↗ sort of Bleacher steps tucked into the

1:12:22 ↗ hillside so you can watch and then this

1:12:25 ↗ green space here is a sloping lawn so

1:12:27 ↗ there's also sort of informal hangout

1:12:30 ↗ space to to watch the games and take

1:12:32 ↗ advantage of the fact that this is a

1:12:34 ↗ terrist site and so the field is at a

1:12:36 ↗ lower level and then the um the softball

1:12:40 ↗ field is up at the level of the school

1:12:43 ↗ building and then we have these upper

1:12:46 ↗ fields for the high school up at yet

1:12:48 ↗ another

1:12:51 ↗ level if you have any questions I will

1:12:54 ↗ be here for to answer

1:12:57 ↗ I'll quickly wrap this up with the

1:12:59 ↗ building design um the main entry of the

1:13:02 ↗ school is here um as I mentioned before

1:13:06 ↗ an important element was actually the

1:13:07 ↗ placement of the um gym and athletic

1:13:10 ↗ facilities to actually have good

1:13:11 ↗ connection to the uh athletic fields um

1:13:15 ↗ and of course um looking at the

1:13:17 ↗ administration as that sort of as folks

1:13:20 ↗ arrive to the main drop off area have

1:13:22 ↗ this view to the southeast and to the

1:13:25 ↗ main entry as oversight to this entry

1:13:27 ↗ Plaza we've actually uh designed this to

1:13:29 ↗ allow for um access and use of the of

1:13:33 ↗ the commons and the gymnasium and with

1:13:36 ↗ the potential to actually Zone those

1:13:38 ↗ areas knowing that there'll be quite a

1:13:40 ↗ bit of public use um and yet trying to

1:13:44 ↗ keep spaces as open as possible as well

1:13:46 ↗ so that the the commons or cafeteria

1:13:48 ↗ isn't just a big dark box but is

1:13:50 ↗ actually a a a open glassy space

1:13:54 ↗ connected to this internal Courtyard um

1:13:56 ↗ it also uh doubles as their performance

1:13:59 ↗ space with a stage and then the other

1:14:01 ↗ Performing Arts classrooms on this side

1:14:04 ↗ of the building um finishing out the uh

1:14:07 ↗ W east side of the building um very

1:14:09 ↗ intentionally we've put the service and

1:14:11 ↗ kitchen areas here really kind of buting

1:14:14 ↗ those areas that have fewer Windows um

1:14:17 ↗ up to the the side of the Sportsman Club

1:14:21 ↗ um and the classrooms the three-story

1:14:23 ↗ classroom wing on the west

1:14:25 ↗ side of the site um that really has the

1:14:28 ↗ Outlook to the Views but also is

1:14:30 ↗ somewhat buffered by this uh this volume

1:14:34 ↗ um from the noise from the uh from the

1:14:40 ↗ club as we move upstairs uh the library

1:14:43 ↗ sits above the administration area uh

1:14:46 ↗ with the um circulation areas that look

1:14:49 ↗ down onto the commons this idea of

1:14:51 ↗ connectivity was very important um to

1:14:54 ↗ really do that Community um sense that

1:14:57 ↗ everyone is seeing each other and

1:14:59 ↗ everyone is part of the same uh School

1:15:01 ↗ Community um again with classrooms

1:15:04 ↗ continuing up to the second level an

1:15:06 ↗ auxiliary gym and fitness room above the

1:15:08 ↗ locker rooms and then finally on the

1:15:10 ↗ third floor uh just the classroom uh

1:15:13 ↗ continuation of the

1:15:16 ↗ classrooms as Amy mentioned uh the there

1:15:19 ↗ was a strong intent to be very

1:15:21 ↗ compatible with the materiality of the

1:15:23 ↗ high school um

1:15:25 ↗ with that we have used very similar

1:15:28 ↗ materials um of the uh ground face

1:15:32 ↗ concrete block um a lighter gray uh

1:15:36 ↗ cement board panel um a warmer uh

1:15:39 ↗ painted um cement board panel and then

1:15:42 ↗ also a darker cement board panel with um

1:15:47 ↗ articulated patterning um joints and

1:15:50 ↗ then finally um similar to the high

1:15:51 ↗ school a screening sort of cap to the

1:15:54 ↗ building

1:15:55 ↗ um made out of metal standing seam

1:15:58 ↗ panels This is the main entry um

1:16:00 ↗ slightly different than perhaps the one

1:16:02 ↗ in your packets where we've um better

1:16:04 ↗ represented what the the landscape

1:16:06 ↗ design actually is where there are seat

1:16:08 ↗ walls um and variations in Paving and um

1:16:12 ↗ a place for the arrival and departure

1:16:15 ↗ from the

1:16:17 ↗ school as you've seen here uh from the

1:16:20 ↗ West the view of the main classroom wing

1:16:22 ↗ and the covered play area um what's

1:16:25 ↗ missing here are are a row of trees that

1:16:27 ↗ actually go along this path but those

1:16:29 ↗ were eliminated just to for clarity in

1:16:33 ↗ these

1:16:35 ↗ views the same four primary materials um

1:16:40 ↗ five primary materials the three cement

1:16:42 ↗ board colors the concrete block and the

1:16:45 ↗ and the metal roof

1:16:48 ↗ panels and then finally from the North

1:16:50 ↗ End of the courtyard similarly this is

1:16:52 ↗ actually a landscape screen here to

1:16:55 ↗ really contain that courtyard um it was

1:16:57 ↗ eliminated to allow um views just from

1:17:00 ↗ this this

1:17:04 ↗ Viewpoint I will show just a a blowup of

1:17:08 ↗ um what the patternings are of the

1:17:11 ↗ materials while we are using essentially

1:17:13 ↗ the same material here you can see very

1:17:15 ↗ distinct usage sort of board and Baton

1:17:19 ↗ and uh accent color Happening Here in

1:17:21 ↗ the line with the windows um a very

1:17:25 ↗ varying widths and uh Heights of cement

1:17:28 ↗ board paneling um in the darker gray

1:17:31 ↗ areas and then the regular patterning

1:17:33 ↗ the light areas along with the uh smooth

1:17:36 ↗ ground face lighter block and the um the

1:17:42 ↗ metal screening at the roof

1:17:46 ↗ level and we have a sample of those

1:17:48 ↗ materials here you all like to see

1:17:51 ↗ those that is it for our presentation

1:17:59 ↗ all right uh at this time we'll go to

1:18:02 ↗ the opportunities for members of the

1:18:03 ↗ public who uh wish to address Mission uh

1:18:07 ↗ ask questions uh seek clarifications

1:18:10 ↗ from staff Andor uh members of the

1:18:13 ↗ applicant uh tingent so if there are

1:18:17 ↗ people that would like to speak and that

1:18:19 ↗ have signed up again I'd ask you to when

1:18:23 ↗ you get up uh to come to the mic and

1:18:26 ↗ give your name and your

1:18:28 ↗ address

1:18:32 ↗ so uh first name on here is uh Leaf

1:18:45 ↗ Stephanie all right uh my name is life

1:18:47 ↗ stefhanie um I live on uh currently 385

1:18:51 ↗ East Sunset Way isael Washington

1:18:55 ↗ and um so I'm a local resident here and

1:18:58 ↗ I'm here also to represent the isqua

1:19:00 ↗ Sportsman's Club which is located just

1:19:02 ↗ right behind the proposed project

1:19:05 ↗ site um just a quick info on our club uh

1:19:09 ↗ the iso Sportsman's Club was founded on

1:19:11 ↗ October 5th

1:19:13 ↗ 1921 uh most of you probably just know

1:19:15 ↗ it as a gun range uh but we've actually

1:19:18 ↗ been a community oriented nonprofit

1:19:20 ↗ organization that has been serving this

1:19:23 ↗ community here um for for nearly 100

1:19:26 ↗ years uh a quick example of that for is

1:19:29 ↗ uh that we donated in 1937 uh 10.7 Acres

1:19:35 ↗ of our land to the city uh which is

1:19:38 ↗ currently um part of where these schools

1:19:42 ↗ uh currently are

1:19:43 ↗ sitting um overall there's no issues

1:19:47 ↗ that the club has with the proposed

1:19:49 ↗ plans um the the only issue that we see

1:19:53 ↗ is uh

1:19:55 ↗ noise

1:19:57 ↗ and the reason for uh our concerns is

1:20:00 ↗ the parking lot that is supposed to be

1:20:03 ↗ built um up in the northeast corner of

1:20:06 ↗ the project site um our property is

1:20:08 ↗ surrounded by old growth trees which

1:20:11 ↗ have for years been providing u a

1:20:13 ↗ natural sound barrier essentially um and

1:20:17 ↗ these trees have been diminishing now

1:20:19 ↗ because over the years uh through the

1:20:21 ↗ expansion of the schools uh and this

1:20:24 ↗ current plan

1:20:25 ↗ uh calls for the removal of a rather

1:20:27 ↗ large portion of trees which is right

1:20:29 ↗ next to our range uh and there therefore

1:20:31 ↗ also has a large impact on the noise

1:20:34 ↗ output of the

1:20:35 ↗ range um as a club we have actually been

1:20:38 ↗ very proactive lately um about reducing

1:20:41 ↗ our noise output uh last year in

1:20:44 ↗ 2014 we

1:20:47 ↗ um applied for a state Grant um to help

1:20:51 ↗ fund the installation of a noise

1:20:54 ↗ reduction system system and we were

1:20:56 ↗ awarded this Grant and we'll begin uh

1:20:58 ↗ this project or the construction of that

1:21:01 ↗ project later this

1:21:02 ↗ year uh therefore we think it would be

1:21:04 ↗ prudent for the school district to uh

1:21:08 ↗ take the noise level into

1:21:10 ↗ consideration um as cutting down the

1:21:13 ↗ trees in that corner especially in that

1:21:15 ↗ critical spot which is literally right

1:21:17 ↗ next to our Firing

1:21:19 ↗ Line

1:21:20 ↗ um as cutting down those trees will

1:21:23 ↗ basically defeat our efforts in reducing

1:21:26 ↗ the general noise output to the

1:21:29 ↗ city uh something to consider is for

1:21:32 ↗ example building a noise wall uh instead

1:21:34 ↗ of tearing down trees or building a

1:21:37 ↗ multi-tier parking lot um on one of the

1:21:41 ↗ existing parking lots rather than uh

1:21:43 ↗ cutting down the trees and building a

1:21:45 ↗ parking lot up there uh why is this

1:21:47 ↗ important uh well increasing noise uh

1:21:51 ↗ through this project uh will not only

1:21:54 ↗ affect the students at the schools but

1:21:57 ↗ also the community as a whole uh and

1:21:59 ↗ also surrounding property

1:22:02 ↗ values our final point or issue that we

1:22:06 ↗ have with the removal of the trees in

1:22:07 ↗ the northeast corner of the project site

1:22:10 ↗ is environmental um the woods as we know

1:22:14 ↗ support all our local Wildlife uh which

1:22:17 ↗ is already diminishing because of uh all

1:22:19 ↗ the developing in the area uh so we

1:22:22 ↗ think that rather than looking for the

1:22:25 ↗ simply cheapest way to accommodate more

1:22:29 ↗ Vehicles why not set an example uh for

1:22:32 ↗ greener development by erecting a

1:22:34 ↗ multi-tier parking uh lot over one of

1:22:37 ↗ the existing parking spaces that's

1:22:39 ↗ already available uh this would have a

1:22:42 ↗ lesser impact on our already fragile

1:22:45 ↗ environment um and I believe was also

1:22:48 ↗ already proposed last year by the uh

1:22:51 ↗ development

1:22:52 ↗ commission and that's about all that we

1:22:55 ↗ had to say about this one thank you Mr

1:22:57 ↗ sney thank you uh next is Michelle

1:23:01 ↗ Gibson and I'd like to I neglected to

1:23:03 ↗ mention before we in respect for the uh

1:23:06 ↗ the continuity of the meeting we'd ask

1:23:08 ↗ that you try to limit your comments to

1:23:10 ↗ five

1:23:11 ↗ minutes thank

1:23:22 ↗ you first of all thank you for um giving

1:23:25 ↗ us the opportunity to share our concerns

1:23:27 ↗ regarding the upcoming development my

1:23:29 ↗ name's Michelle Gibson I've been a

1:23:31 ↗ homeowner on Southeast Evans Lane for

1:23:34 ↗ over 20 years my proud to say my

1:23:38 ↗ daughter went to both IMS and

1:23:41 ↗ IHS and now my grandson will be starting

1:23:45 ↗ next year at

1:23:46 ↗ Clark so there's two generations there

1:23:51 ↗ um however we still have some concerns

1:23:55 ↗ uh we do understand the need for growth

1:23:57 ↗ in our school district yet still has

1:24:00 ↗ some concerns uh before the plan and

1:24:03 ↗ site development are

1:24:05 ↗ approved um a lot of this uh traffic was

1:24:10 ↗ brought up a

1:24:11 ↗ lot that's a huge one of our concerns in

1:24:14 ↗ the neighborhood as well where I live

1:24:16 ↗ while you do propose to Wine Southeast

1:24:19 ↗ Evans Street the impacts to the

1:24:20 ↗ neighborhood of adding what 32 buses tce

1:24:24 ↗ a day faculty

1:24:27 ↗ um under the fa uh faculty uh also um

1:24:34 ↗ their

1:24:36 ↗ transportation and and more high school

1:24:38 ↗ students um under the current proposed

1:24:42 ↗ infrastructures over with your plan it

1:24:45 ↗ seems to be overwhelming negative um a

1:24:50 ↗ tiered parking lot uh this gentleman

1:24:52 ↗ just mentioned um between the high

1:24:55 ↗ school and proposed middle school and I

1:24:57 ↗ was here at the last development meeting

1:24:59 ↗ last year that was a suggested um so I

1:25:03 ↗ agree with that uh that would take less

1:25:07 ↗ I mean we're spreading you're saying

1:25:09 ↗ you're you want the school to go up so

1:25:11 ↗ it doesn't spread but we're spreading

1:25:13 ↗ out the parking lot so with that comes

1:25:15 ↗ down the trees um there's a lot of

1:25:18 ↗ speeding up and down litter uh left on

1:25:21 ↗ the on the Southeast EV Street goes into

1:25:24 ↗ to our neighborhood and I just see more

1:25:26 ↗ of that

1:25:27 ↗ increasing with how the proposal of the

1:25:30 ↗ plan for Southeast Evans right now um

1:25:34 ↗ every week we go out clean up after the

1:25:37 ↗ high

1:25:38 ↗ schoolers and um in fact in one of your

1:25:40 ↗ slides slide G was my house I could see

1:25:42 ↗ it in the background and it's that close

1:25:44 ↗ to this road um but our our Woods are so

1:25:49 ↗ fragile and we'd like to keep them and

1:25:51 ↗ we'd like also to see I walk there with

1:25:54 ↗ my grandson and my dog and many times

1:25:56 ↗ almost get ran ran over because these

1:25:58 ↗ cars are speeding up there um we need

1:26:02 ↗ better access to the

1:26:04 ↗ trails I'm not sure I'm seeing that we

1:26:06 ↗ need signage for the trails we need if

1:26:09 ↗ there's any parking to be added it

1:26:11 ↗ should be specifically for access to

1:26:14 ↗ Trails many times I run into people they

1:26:17 ↗ don't know where the trails are I have

1:26:18 ↗ to guide them um it's just it just looks

1:26:22 ↗ like um a puzzle out there with the

1:26:25 ↗ schools and the parking lot um so please

1:26:29 ↗ if you would take into

1:26:31 ↗ consideration the neighborhoods the

1:26:33 ↗ residents um the natural Wildlife I

1:26:37 ↗ would really really appreciate it and

1:26:39 ↗ thank you for the time

1:26:41 ↗ again hope I didn't go over that's fine

1:26:45 ↗ Tom meckler I will pass all right sir uh

1:26:50 ↗ David kapler

1:26:54 ↗ the picture with all the

1:26:56 ↗ green up here that would help s

1:27:05 ↗ yes that one there perfect thank

1:27:10 ↗ you um good evening I'm David kapler U

1:27:13 ↗ First make some comments about um Park

1:27:16 ↗ Point as president isws Trails club and

1:27:19 ↗ then I'll get on to my personal comments

1:27:20 ↗ about the the rest of the issues um Park

1:27:24 ↗ point is a $6 million investment plus we

1:27:27 ↗ gave him 100

1:27:29 ↗ tdrs we have we're proposing two parking

1:27:32 ↗ I I think the two parking spaces got

1:27:34 ↗ eliminated that the district had planned

1:27:37 ↗ for this um because the trail is now

1:27:40 ↗ being proposed to be uh on that other

1:27:42 ↗ side there needs to be some kind of

1:27:45 ↗ decent access to the parkpoint property

1:27:47 ↗ for the community right now you have

1:27:49 ↗ five or six spots at office second there

1:27:52 ↗ at the near the intersection with fr

1:27:54 ↗ Street and if you know you can park by

1:27:57 ↗ the gun club you got to of course High

1:28:00 ↗ School takes the parking on weekdays and

1:28:02 ↗ all but there's parking there but it's

1:28:05 ↗ you don't know where the trail is

1:28:06 ↗ there's not one single sign and we got

1:28:08 ↗ this great asset for the city that's

1:28:10 ↗ completely being ignored by this

1:28:14 ↗ process um back to my more personal

1:28:17 ↗ comments I guess um what drives me nuts

1:28:20 ↗ about the The

1:28:22 ↗ Proposal is

1:28:24 ↗ the

1:28:25 ↗ um priority we're putting on

1:28:28 ↗ chauffeuring kids and to to the school

1:28:32 ↗ and and making it hard to use the

1:28:35 ↗ buses the bus area is a long ways from

1:28:38 ↗ the school now we hear there's going to

1:28:40 ↗ be four staff people out there at the

1:28:43 ↗ four

1:28:44 ↗ crosswalks those are staff time that

1:28:47 ↗ should be put in the classroom not out

1:28:49 ↗ doing traffic

1:28:51 ↗ control the buses should be the people

1:28:54 ↗ do not want their kids on buses because

1:28:56 ↗ how long they spent on the buses and

1:29:01 ↗ they can get them there to the school

1:29:02 ↗ faster then get them out of the school

1:29:04 ↗ faster and that and we need to encourage

1:29:07 ↗ bus usage especially in this Corridor

1:29:10 ↗ where the traffic is already so bad and

1:29:12 ↗ we all know how much worse it got when

1:29:14 ↗ September hit region wide so why are we

1:29:18 ↗ trying to discourage people to have kids

1:29:21 ↗ ride buses by putting them out no

1:29:24 ↗ protection out here in the rain and the

1:29:26 ↗ wind mixing the middle school kids and

1:29:29 ↗ the high school kids out of visibility

1:29:31 ↗ of either

1:29:33 ↗ school the high school kids would be

1:29:35 ↗ just fine mixing with the middle school

1:29:37 ↗ kids up by the school where there'll be

1:29:39 ↗ more easier and better supervision and

1:29:42 ↗ there should be a canopy across area so

1:29:45 ↗ the kids have some um some shelter when

1:29:49 ↗ they're waiting for those buses so I

1:29:51 ↗ would move the uh the bus lane right

1:29:54 ↗ through here and put the parking lot out

1:29:57 ↗ in the next

1:29:58 ↗ Loop just reverse those and it would

1:30:01 ↗ save a lot of Staff time a lot more kids

1:30:06 ↗ riding the buses a better bus experience

1:30:09 ↗ for kids and every in car we increase on

1:30:13 ↗ the site is more mitigation the school

1:30:16 ↗ district has to pay for traffic that

1:30:18 ↗ should be being used in the classroom

1:30:20 ↗ not

1:30:21 ↗ to subsidize more

1:30:26 ↗ single

1:30:28 ↗ vehicles um we don't have an up-to-date

1:30:31 ↗ traffic or parking counts and those

1:30:35 ↗ really need I don't see how the group

1:30:37 ↗ can make a decision tonight without

1:30:39 ↗ those um we don't know what the

1:30:41 ↗ mitigation is going to be based on those

1:30:43 ↗ new traffic

1:30:45 ↗ counts the route 200 is mentioned is

1:30:48 ↗ partial mitigation for tra for getting

1:30:50 ↗ kids to school the in the morning the

1:30:54 ↗ the N the 200 bus doesn't um get gets in

1:30:57 ↗ front of the high school sometime

1:30:59 ↗ between 10 and 1011 in the morning so

1:31:01 ↗ it's not going to do any good for the

1:31:03 ↗ getting high school kids and it leaves

1:31:05 ↗ the community center at 217 they've

1:31:08 ↗ shortened the hours of the 200 so it's

1:31:10 ↗ ineffective as anything to help with

1:31:13 ↗ moving students

1:31:15 ↗ around U Move the reader board to the

1:31:17 ↗ other corner at the uh the street there

1:31:20 ↗ and then you don't have to have it real

1:31:22 ↗ tall um

1:31:24 ↗ again sea hasn't been finished yet I

1:31:27 ↗ don't know how you can make a decision

1:31:28 ↗ without a without the the sepa being

1:31:33 ↗ done we do need a canopy and covered

1:31:36 ↗ across the front of the school even if

1:31:39 ↗ that's where the the single OCC the cars

1:31:42 ↗ are going to be rather than the buses

1:31:44 ↗ still need more protection

1:31:47 ↗ there there's going to be a lot

1:31:49 ↗ apparently a lot of extra material from

1:31:51 ↗ the site that'll be trucked off I

1:31:54 ↗ mentioned in one of my letters that a

1:31:56 ↗ previous representative owner of the

1:31:59 ↗ park PL Park Point didn't want any extra

1:32:03 ↗ bming at the um Gun Club from the

1:32:07 ↗ softball fields that were um built um

1:32:11 ↗ and so they didn't burm no do any more

1:32:14 ↗ bming there's going to be a lot of

1:32:16 ↗ material off here that's going to be

1:32:17 ↗ have Organics in it or whatever that

1:32:19 ↗ can't be used on the site or at some

1:32:21 ↗ other site to build on and it'd be great

1:32:24 ↗ material to do some additional bming and

1:32:27 ↗ I would even encourage the city to be

1:32:29 ↗ doing some bming on their actual Park

1:32:31 ↗ Point property on um as well to uh to

1:32:35 ↗ make that a much more Pleasant area

1:32:37 ↗ which is used a lot by the cross country

1:32:39 ↗ teams in the other in classes and in

1:32:41 ↗ after school training so there's

1:32:44 ↗ definitely some ability to reduce the

1:32:48 ↗ offsite Trucking and reducing Sound by

1:32:52 ↗ using that material

1:32:54 ↗ which I believe is almost is not

1:32:57 ↗ there'll be enough unusable material

1:33:00 ↗ from the site it's not going to be all

1:33:01 ↗ nice gravel that would have a good

1:33:05 ↗ use

1:33:09 ↗ um guess that's the main thing thank

1:33:13 ↗ you uh Hy Marsh

1:33:27 ↗ okay my name is Connie Marsh and I have

1:33:29 ↗ a store at 1175 Northwest Gilman

1:33:32 ↗ Boulevard suet B1 and also live in

1:33:35 ↗ town

1:33:36 ↗ um okay they're at least trying to share

1:33:41 ↗ their Bus Loop

1:33:43 ↗ good now I'm going to move on um I was

1:33:47 ↗ surprised to see the gravel Trail right

1:33:50 ↗ after we saw the picture of all the

1:33:53 ↗ students parking along the road the

1:33:56 ↗ gravel road with a gravel trail with the

1:34:01 ↗ students parking suddenly the I didn't

1:34:05 ↗ understand how that would work on either

1:34:07 ↗ side of the road having a gravel trail

1:34:10 ↗ with a gravel

1:34:13 ↗ road it dis the road dis the trail

1:34:16 ↗ disappears to me one it's not safe if

1:34:18 ↗ you've ever driven down the road with

1:34:20 ↗ the high school students two it's super

1:34:22 ↗ Dusty and you choke so I think that that

1:34:26 ↗ whole thing needs to be rethought and

1:34:30 ↗ fixed

1:34:31 ↗ um I sent a letter and then I sent my

1:34:35 ↗ letter after I had the opportunity to

1:34:37 ↗ read the staff report so you got track

1:34:39 ↗ changes sorry um part of the problem

1:34:43 ↗ with moving the trail that direction is

1:34:45 ↗ the same problem that everyone has well

1:34:48 ↗ we love the Sportsman's Club you get too

1:34:51 ↗ close to the Sportsman Club and frankly

1:34:53 ↗ you do want to just sort of hit the

1:34:55 ↗ ground especially people who are from

1:34:57 ↗ out of town because they don't know if

1:34:59 ↗ they're going to get shot so to move the

1:35:02 ↗ major trail that is our connection to

1:35:05 ↗ park point and other points ever closer

1:35:08 ↗ to the Sportsman Club reduces the

1:35:11 ↗ quality of that trail substantially

1:35:14 ↗ currently it's it's further down quite a

1:35:17 ↗ ways away this the uh softball field is

1:35:20 ↗ in between so you don't get that

1:35:22 ↗ sensation of eminent

1:35:24 ↗ but having walked that trail next to all

1:35:27 ↗ those cars to cut the Scotch broom I

1:35:29 ↗ know that feeling even though I know the

1:35:31 ↗ club is there sometimes it just scares

1:35:33 ↗ you um so I would

1:35:36 ↗ suggest that either you if you're going

1:35:39 ↗ to move the trail you require some no

1:35:41 ↗ noise mitigation for the trail or you um

1:35:45 ↗ continue to have the trail further away

1:35:49 ↗ now I'm going to stay with Trails just

1:35:52 ↗ because I'm on that top IC there is the

1:35:55 ↗ existing uh little baby parking lot by

1:35:58 ↗ the softball field and they're saying

1:36:01 ↗ that the way the kids get to the high

1:36:03 ↗ school from there is skinny along skinny

1:36:07 ↗ along that narrow Edge well that is

1:36:09 ↗ actually isn't the case what they do is

1:36:12 ↗ they come around and they take the

1:36:13 ↗ existing Trail or they walk through the

1:36:15 ↗ existing parking lot um they basically

1:36:19 ↗ go back out along the road for the most

1:36:21 ↗ part because it's really sort of

1:36:22 ↗ dangerous walking along that little

1:36:24 ↗ Trail because they don't control the

1:36:26 ↗ blackberries they fertilize them with

1:36:28 ↗ their grass clippings instead and so

1:36:30 ↗ there's this this Blackberry tendril

1:36:32 ↗ that grabs your ankles and tries to

1:36:33 ↗ throw you down the hill so I don't

1:36:35 ↗ believe that that is the existing

1:36:37 ↗ pathway and um I don't think that that

1:36:40 ↗ is an appropriate or legitimate Pathway

1:36:42 ↗ to assume that any high school student

1:36:44 ↗ is going to walk down that trail uh

1:36:48 ↗ continuing on with that I'm not exactly

1:36:51 ↗ sure and I didn't hear an explanation to

1:36:53 ↗ tonight why you would put the high

1:36:56 ↗ school parking way down by

1:36:59 ↗ Evans um maybe there's a reason that you

1:37:01 ↗ don't put the field down by Evans and

1:37:05 ↗ have the high school parking actually

1:37:08 ↗ closer to the high school it just seems

1:37:10 ↗ to make a lot more sense to me but maybe

1:37:12 ↗ there is some reason that I don't

1:37:14 ↗ understand I I hope you guys understand

1:37:17 ↗ what I'm saying there um then we get to

1:37:23 ↗ to the the conflicts of cars versus

1:37:27 ↗ buses and um right now you have your

1:37:30 ↗ buses coming in on Evans and you have

1:37:32 ↗ your PE parents doing their drop

1:37:35 ↗ off and you have this

1:37:44 ↗ corner which is where the parents are

1:37:46 ↗ trying to go in and come out and the

1:37:48 ↗ buses are coming in so you basically

1:37:51 ↗ have the parents taking a leftand turn

1:37:53 ↗ in front of the line buses seemingly um

1:37:57 ↗ which seems very awkward and so I

1:37:59 ↗ thought about this a lot and one thing

1:38:06 ↗ is that's actually a significant grade

1:38:09 ↗ change right there I think last year I

1:38:11 ↗ probably showed you a picture of it

1:38:12 ↗ coated in Weeds it does seem like it is

1:38:14 ↗ a perfect place to have parking below

1:38:17 ↗ separated parking with the entrance

1:38:19 ↗ above where the Bus Loop would be on the

1:38:22 ↗ top taking up that whole segment

1:38:24 ↗ and uh bring the buses in off of second

1:38:28 ↗ and bring the people dropping off their

1:38:30 ↗ kids in on Evans less impact to the

1:38:32 ↗ neighborhood more use of the light with

1:38:35 ↗ all those buses um at the original

1:38:39 ↗ entrance and then a larger loop on top

1:38:44 ↗ and yeah it might be more expensive but

1:38:47 ↗ you know what you are creating a a sort

1:38:49 ↗ of this odd

1:38:51 ↗ Suburban car system with a very Urban

1:38:55 ↗ school and so I think you got half of it

1:38:57 ↗ right you got the urban school right but

1:38:58 ↗ the cars and the drop

1:39:01 ↗ off no okay so I'm

1:39:06 ↗ GNA 32 buses twice a day do you want to

1:39:09 ↗ live there now I think that is a serious

1:39:12 ↗ impact it wasn't addressed in the sea no

1:39:15 ↗ and it wasn't in the sea checklist so I

1:39:17 ↗ didn't understand how they were really

1:39:19 ↗ mitigating that by saying we're gonna

1:39:21 ↗ have Landscaping I just don't think that

1:39:25 ↗ um that does cut it so I am going to

1:39:29 ↗ move to the other side of the street

1:39:32 ↗ which is the transit center and so it's

1:39:35 ↗ so funny because I think the railroad

1:39:37 ↗ grade where they're saying that it was

1:39:40 ↗ graded before when they did the railroad

1:39:43 ↗ cut actually predates the gun club might

1:39:46 ↗ be one of the few things in town that

1:39:48 ↗ does and I was never really aware that

1:39:50 ↗ we took 100y old pregraduate said that

1:39:54 ↗ that is now a man-made slope that's

1:39:57 ↗ fascinating I don't know if it's

1:39:59 ↗ actually true but it's a an an amazing

1:40:03 ↗ interpretation um so I disagree with

1:40:06 ↗ that the other thing is the staff report

1:40:09 ↗ was unclear they actually are going into

1:40:12 ↗ the buffer of the Wetland and they do

1:40:14 ↗ have to have a mitigation for going into

1:40:17 ↗ the Wetland buffer I haven't seen it yet

1:40:21 ↗ uh the buffer isn't so bad the Wetland

1:40:23 ↗ land is fairly impacted mainly because

1:40:26 ↗ the bus barn has been right next to it

1:40:28 ↗ for all this time I would prefer to have

1:40:31 ↗ most of the mitigation done in helping

1:40:33 ↗ repair the wetlands and also because it

1:40:35 ↗ is so visible from the Rainer Trail I I

1:40:39 ↗ would ask that the fencing that they put

1:40:41 ↗ in there be decorative and non-

1:40:43 ↗ galvanized because you simply aren't

1:40:46 ↗ supposed to have your galvanized chain

1:40:48 ↗ link fencing right next to a wetland uh

1:40:51 ↗ so I would like a condition for

1:40:53 ↗ decorative fencing and uh to get rid of

1:40:56 ↗ the galvanized chainlink fencing uh

1:41:00 ↗ lessons learned from the high school

1:41:01 ↗ it's colorless in the winter um and this

1:41:06 ↗ looks to be equally colorless there was

1:41:09 ↗ a lot and still is a lot of confusion

1:41:11 ↗ for kids who've only been to Flat

1:41:13 ↗ schools especially if there is not some

1:41:16 ↗ sort of visible locator when you go from

1:41:18 ↗ floor to floor you don't know where you

1:41:20 ↗ are and they get lost so I don't know

1:41:24 ↗ where anybody can talk about

1:41:27 ↗ Interiors but I want to bring it up just

1:41:29 ↗ in case yall can do something about that

1:41:31 ↗ in future design and also uh the

1:41:35 ↗ deciduous trees that are mainly in front

1:41:36 ↗ of the high school make it look even

1:41:38 ↗ more desolate and prison likee in the

1:41:40 ↗ winter time even against the Green slope

1:41:43 ↗ so I think some more variety in even if

1:41:46 ↗ it has to be mechanical to break up some

1:41:49 ↗ of that wow we are

1:41:51 ↗ brown uh also we have a common condition

1:41:54 ↗ now in isqua which is any Disturbed

1:41:59 ↗ areas need to be landscaped and I prefer

1:42:02 ↗ it to be with Native vegetation within

1:42:04 ↗ three months of the completion of the

1:42:06 ↗ phase I added the last part uh but what

1:42:08 ↗ we find is there are these little bits

1:42:11 ↗ of land that are left over and they

1:42:13 ↗ basically just grow weeds unless someone

1:42:15 ↗ tells someone that they actually have to

1:42:17 ↗ PL plant something that is going to look

1:42:21 ↗ good and grow well in those places

1:42:23 ↗ and we don't need any more weeds you saw

1:42:25 ↗ the picture of the Scotch broom up there

1:42:28 ↗ which is a residual from the high school

1:42:30 ↗ which my understanding still has not

1:42:32 ↗ finished their checklist um and they

1:42:34 ↗ have lots of weeds growing in their

1:42:36 ↗ landscaping and it seems to be a problem

1:42:38 ↗ that we cannot surmount so I would like

1:42:41 ↗ to to try to get that done to begin with

1:42:43 ↗ you've read all the rest I way over my

1:42:45 ↗ five minutes got to go thanks

1:42:48 ↗ bye all right uh at this point we will

1:42:52 ↗ move on to

1:42:54 ↗ uh yes uh if there is anybody else that

1:42:57 ↗ wants to speak uh you can do so now if

1:43:01 ↗ not we will move into commission

1:43:03 ↗ discussion again I'll remind folks this

1:43:06 ↗ is an opportunity for members of the

1:43:08 ↗ development commission to seek

1:43:10 ↗ clarification or and we're going to have

1:43:14 ↗ rebuttals we're going to have rebuttals

1:43:16 ↗ first but then when when the

1:43:18 ↗ commissioner speak our objective here is

1:43:20 ↗ to get clarification on issues that came

1:43:22 ↗ up or in the materials that we received

1:43:24 ↗ that were not addressed so far so with

1:43:27 ↗ that I'll turn it back over to Amy her

1:43:30 ↗ uh objective here is to address some of

1:43:32 ↗ the issues that have been brought up by

1:43:33 ↗ members of

1:43:35 ↗ the so um actually um we do appreciate

1:43:38 ↗ um um the comments from Miss Marsh they

1:43:41 ↗ were very insightful um I just wanted to

1:43:44 ↗ make one clarification uh regarding her

1:43:47 ↗ statement that uh the uh proposal will

1:43:50 ↗ be um encroaching on the can you hear uh

1:43:54 ↗ can you

1:43:56 ↗ hearing maybe or you could if you could

1:43:58 ↗ get up to the mic that okay sorry I just

1:44:01 ↗ want to make sure can we try again is

1:44:02 ↗ this better okay let me re repeat what I

1:44:09 ↗ said yeah it's been a requested that you

1:44:12 ↗ do speak from the main mind thank

1:44:20 ↗ you so this is Amy tars again just for

1:44:23 ↗ record um I just wanted to address one

1:44:25 ↗ statement that um Miss Marsh um

1:44:27 ↗ mentioned regarding the wetlands um um

1:44:31 ↗ if you I'm um I'm not sure if everybody

1:44:34 ↗ brought their staff report on page 31 of

1:44:40 ↗ 21 um is um an actual um detail of the

1:44:45 ↗ uh Wetland with the buffer and um

1:44:48 ↗ there's actually two lines that two dash

1:44:51 ↗ lines that you see on the on the drawing

1:44:53 ↗ one the the the smaller Dash is actually

1:44:56 ↗ the buffer and the uh outer dash line is

1:45:00 ↗ the uh uh building setback line so the

1:45:04 ↗ uh proposed uh parking for uh expanded

1:45:07 ↗ Park parking for the buses is actually

1:45:11 ↗ um showing um as encroaching on the

1:45:14 ↗ building setback line which is

1:45:16 ↗ acceptable but it is outside of the

1:45:19 ↗ Wetland buffer so I just wanted to make

1:45:22 ↗ that clarification

1:45:24 ↗ okay thank

1:45:27 ↗ you any other staff rebuttal comments

1:45:31 ↗ right with that we'll go to uh Comm SOA

1:45:35 ↗ you have anything to

1:45:38 ↗ ask I I think the comments on the on the

1:45:40 ↗ traffic and the impacts of that are

1:45:42 ↗ really profound and I the uh notion of

1:45:45 ↗ trying

1:45:46 ↗ to move from a a car driven Community to

1:45:50 ↗ a bus situation really makes a lot lot

1:45:53 ↗ of sense to me and so looking at the

1:45:55 ↗ potential or the opportunities to

1:45:57 ↗ mitigate traffic is is really important

1:45:59 ↗ and I don't I don't think we've done a

1:46:01 ↗ very good job with that I just see that

1:46:03 ↗ as being

1:46:04 ↗ a a really great opportunity for for

1:46:08 ↗ improvement on the

1:46:15 ↗ proposal I ask question

1:46:18 ↗ sure um well first of all I I think uh

1:46:21 ↗ you're trying to there's a lot lot of

1:46:23 ↗ things that we're trying to squeeze into

1:46:24 ↗ this small lot here uh I appreciate the

1:46:27 ↗ gun club you know

1:46:28 ↗ donating the land out and this goes back

1:46:31 ↗ before my time before our time but um so

1:46:35 ↗ here again we're trying to establish

1:46:37 ↗ some good neighbors uh uh be good

1:46:40 ↗ neighbors and and um and I appreciate

1:46:43 ↗ the school district trying to put in

1:46:46 ↗ Middle School in a small lot uh ideally

1:46:49 ↗ you know you probably want a lot of land

1:46:52 ↗ the Middle School

1:46:53 ↗ but that being said uh I agree that uh

1:46:57 ↗ there's a lot of parking issues and

1:46:59 ↗ traffic issues as crisscross and you

1:47:01 ↗ have a lot of kids running around during

1:47:04 ↗ um during uh um

1:47:07 ↗ School uh start day and then at the end

1:47:10 ↗ of school um so that's something that I

1:47:12 ↗ I guess we need to maybe look at that

1:47:15 ↗ again um and the fact that we're

1:47:18 ↗ encouraging people to drive parents to

1:47:21 ↗ drive drop off kids you know that it's

1:47:24 ↗ pretty evident by the way it's designed

1:47:26 ↗ here um but um the question that I have

1:47:30 ↗ is how many buses do we have uh is 32

1:47:33 ↗ buses per day is that the count that

1:47:36 ↗ we're um looking at said and and if

1:47:40 ↗ that's you know and then the I'm leading

1:47:43 ↗ to is that do you have do we have enough

1:47:45 ↗ um holding area for buses or is it a a

1:47:49 ↗ sequential you know you're on bus number

1:47:52 ↗ two so you come out at such time and

1:47:55 ↗ then um move on answer questions uh So

1:47:58 ↗ currently I believe there are 29 buses

1:48:00 ↗ is that correct um and so we were

1:48:02 ↗ planning for a bit of expansion to 32

1:48:04 ↗ anticipating the growth um and they do

1:48:07 ↗ all fit uh within that bus drop off area

1:48:10 ↗ parked at one time in two lines um they

1:48:13 ↗ there'll be two lines of buses here

1:48:15 ↗ parked parallel to each other they

1:48:16 ↗ stagger them it's a very common way to

1:48:19 ↗ be very efficient about Bus Parking they

1:48:22 ↗ do it currently at the high school that

1:48:23 ↗ way um and then they all come are parked

1:48:26 ↗ before school is let out and then uh

1:48:29 ↗ kids are all loaded on before the first

1:48:31 ↗ bus or any bus leaves in the morning

1:48:34 ↗ they will come one and two at a time and

1:48:37 ↗ drop off and then leave yeah in the in

1:48:39 ↗ the morning you know dropping off I I

1:48:41 ↗ don't see that as a big issue it's in

1:48:44 ↗ the afternoon when the kid gets off and

1:48:46 ↗ the kids gets off and you have all those

1:48:48 ↗ buses there and the first bus isn't

1:48:50 ↗ moving because little Joey is not on the

1:48:53 ↗ bus yet so you're holding up all those

1:48:55 ↗ buses and that's that's I don't do you

1:48:57 ↗ have enough room for U holding area they

1:49:00 ↗ will stack from here back to here um and

1:49:03 ↗ have the potential even if they you know

1:49:05 ↗ grow beyond that number to stack back in

1:49:07 ↗ here um that's very typical at schools

1:49:11 ↗ that you you wait until everyone's

1:49:12 ↗ loaded and then you leave for that very

1:49:14 ↗ reason it's a lot of kids there 900 kids

1:49:16 ↗ here there are 1800 kids down here a lot

1:49:19 ↗ of kids moving um and it's very typical

1:49:21 ↗ to say everyone is going to be loaded

1:49:23 ↗ before it happens it's also very typical

1:49:25 ↗ to separate parent drop off which is

1:49:28 ↗ inevitable um to to a certain degree and

1:49:31 ↗ certainly when you think about the

1:49:32 ↗ number of kids um you know there is many

1:49:38 ↗ times more that are on this bus than

1:49:40 ↗ they are on the drop off but there is a

1:49:42 ↗ NE necessity for a certain amount of

1:49:43 ↗ drop off the bus drivers are seen as

1:49:46 ↗ professional drivers and um that is a

1:49:49 ↗ part of the reason why they are put here

1:49:51 ↗ we're putting nonprofessional drivers us

1:49:54 ↗ parents um in the condition to be um up

1:49:58 ↗ adjacent to the school for that

1:50:01 ↗ reason to add a little bit with regards

1:50:03 ↗ to the questions Steve Crawford director

1:50:06 ↗ of capital projects for the school

1:50:07 ↗ district uh to add a little bit to the

1:50:10 ↗ questions regarding busing the district

1:50:12 ↗ provides busing for every student that

1:50:14 ↗ lives in the district there's a one M

1:50:16 ↗ radius that the district doesn't get

1:50:17 ↗ funded for but transportation in those

1:50:20 ↗ areas that are that safe walk path would

1:50:23 ↗ cross busy streets and things there's

1:50:25 ↗ Transportation provided for those kids

1:50:27 ↗ as

1:50:28 ↗ well the district has the sixth largest

1:50:31 ↗ public transportation system in the

1:50:33 ↗ state we provide transportation to the

1:50:36 ↗ middle and high school today that

1:50:39 ↗ averages between 1400 and 1500 students

1:50:41 ↗ a

1:50:43 ↗ day there is an emphasis to try and

1:50:45 ↗ encourage kids to ride the bus High fuel

1:50:49 ↗ prices have helped lower prices now

1:50:52 ↗ they're selling lots more SUVs now um

1:50:57 ↗ but we do encourage kids to ride the bus

1:50:59 ↗ uh there is no way that you can mandate

1:51:02 ↗ every kid that rides the bus there are

1:51:04 ↗ strong parental concerns by some that uh

1:51:08 ↗ it's not safe to let their kid wait at a

1:51:11 ↗ bus stop or uh walk to school so there's

1:51:14 ↗ going to always be some percentage of

1:51:16 ↗ parents who are going to drive their

1:51:18 ↗ kids there are kids who have after

1:51:20 ↗ school activities and things like that

1:51:22 ↗ that parents pick them up and and move

1:51:24 ↗ off to too as well but there is really a

1:51:26 ↗ pretty strong commitment to busting and

1:51:29 ↗ a

1:51:30 ↗ strong transportation system that does

1:51:32 ↗ transport a lot a large number of

1:51:35 ↗ kids good um I guess getting back to my

1:51:39 ↗ point too is that you know you mentioned

1:51:41 ↗ that there are a lot of um

1:51:43 ↗ unprofessional drivers driving around in

1:51:46 ↗ this well you got little Joey that needs

1:51:49 ↗ to catch his buz and he's going to run

1:51:51 ↗ through two lines of traffic before it

1:51:54 ↗ gets through his first bus so you have

1:51:58 ↗ know the potential of accident is fairly

1:52:01 ↗ High um uh run what doesn't show in the

1:52:07 ↗ plan here because the scale is that this

1:52:09 ↗ is a rain Garden in between

1:52:12 ↗ here so that's difficult to cross

1:52:15 ↗ there's also a 4 foot fence that runs on

1:52:18 ↗ the outside of the parent drop off

1:52:20 ↗ across through here so that kids who are

1:52:23 ↗ going to the bus will travel this

1:52:26 ↗ pathway or they'll travel this pathway

1:52:29 ↗ and then load onto the buses so there is

1:52:32 ↗ a conscious separation and a recognized

1:52:36 ↗ need to be able to prevent kids from

1:52:38 ↗ just running across the parking lot

1:52:40 ↗ anywhere that they might want to and

1:52:43 ↗ what did you say you have a separation

1:52:44 ↗ do you have a fence of some kind that

1:52:47 ↗ loops around in that area there would be

1:52:49 ↗ a fence on the outside oh this is

1:52:52 ↗ actually a 2 to 4ft retaining wall along

1:52:55 ↗ this souths side of the middle school

1:52:57 ↗ parking that drops down to the

1:53:00 ↗ bus fence uhuh correct

1:53:04 ↗ okay ray can I jump in just on that

1:53:07 ↗ subject Mr kapler brought up the idea of

1:53:10 ↗ why not have the bus lanes adjacent to

1:53:12 ↗ the middle

1:53:13 ↗ school and switched over uh We've looked

1:53:15 ↗ at a number of different options with

1:53:18 ↗ regards to bus and parent circulation if

1:53:20 ↗ you were to run the buses in through

1:53:22 ↗ here

1:53:23 ↗ your buses are dropping off closest to

1:53:25 ↗ the school and then they're running back

1:53:27 ↗ out through here that would mean that

1:53:29 ↗ parents are coming up and dropping off

1:53:31 ↗ in this Zone here so now all of the kids

1:53:35 ↗ who are getting dropped off by the

1:53:38 ↗ parents have that greater potential for

1:53:40 ↗ moving across the bus drivers are

1:53:44 ↗ professionals uh there's a limited

1:53:45 ↗ number of buses far few trips by

1:53:49 ↗ vehicles uh with 29 to 32 buses than

1:53:52 ↗ there are with parents and fewer

1:53:55 ↗ Crossings so we've looked at it we felt

1:53:57 ↗ that this really did provide the safest

1:54:01 ↗ separation uh and situation for

1:54:05 ↗ students I uh yeah I the same thing um

1:54:09 ↗ to stay on the same subject uh I

1:54:12 ↗ understand the school board sets its

1:54:14 ↗ policy uh regarding what it tries to

1:54:17 ↗ encourage and discourage but uh would it

1:54:22 ↗ not help

1:54:25 ↗ encourage people to put their kids on

1:54:27 ↗ the bus if they're in the option you

1:54:29 ↗ know the optimal area have the buses

1:54:33 ↗ have priority on loading and movement

1:54:36 ↗ and if you want to pick up your kit you

1:54:38 ↗ do it further away from the building and

1:54:40 ↗ you wait to move in or out of the area

1:54:44 ↗ until the buses have completed their job

1:54:54 ↗ well it becomes a question of how far

1:54:56 ↗ you put them away and how how many

1:54:58 ↗ Crossings and what kind of travel paths

1:55:00 ↗ yeah I'm just suggesting that you said

1:55:02 ↗ that you can't mandate and I understand

1:55:04 ↗ that but but you can certainly uh would

1:55:08 ↗ seem it would be possible to provide uh

1:55:12 ↗ the

1:55:13 ↗ priorities on proximity and movement to

1:55:18 ↗ buses well you you know the middle

1:55:20 ↗ school and high school kids ride the

1:55:22 ↗ same same bus they have for number of

1:55:25 ↗ years and they will continue uh to ride

1:55:27 ↗ the same bus so basically you're looking

1:55:29 ↗ at a situation where the bus pick up and

1:55:31 ↗ drop off has a shared priority between

1:55:34 ↗ the Middle School and the high school

1:55:36 ↗ and that's really what's suggesting that

1:55:38 ↗ it's it's located in this area um

1:55:43 ↗ the I don't see that putting the bus

1:55:47 ↗ lane here and the parents here is going

1:55:51 ↗ to make any difference in terms of

1:55:54 ↗ desirability as to whether you ride the

1:55:56 ↗ bus or not it's going to mean that that

1:55:59 ↗ uh there's more kids that are are

1:56:02 ↗ crossing parent traffic areas than than

1:56:06 ↗ there would be in the plan that's

1:56:11 ↗ proposed I'm sorry can I particularly

1:56:14 ↗ when you consider that the high school

1:56:15 ↗ kids then have to cross all that parent

1:56:18 ↗ traffic well I get I guess that I mean I

1:56:21 ↗ guess I trust high schoolers in front of

1:56:23 ↗ parent traffic more than middle

1:56:25 ↗ schoolers I'm thinking if if where the

1:56:27 ↗ bus zone is SH now if that's where the

1:56:31 ↗ parents drop off that one long

1:56:33 ↗ Lane the neither that that one if that's

1:56:36 ↗ where the parents drop off and the buses

1:56:38 ↗ are all near the school the kids that

1:56:42 ↗ are crossing in front of parent drivers

1:56:45 ↗ which are not as good as the bus

1:56:47 ↗ drivers only the kids that are coming in

1:56:50 ↗ and out of those cars cuz those those

1:56:52 ↗ kids when they walk around to the side

1:56:54 ↗ there they're Crossing in front of buses

1:56:56 ↗ but again the buses are better

1:56:58 ↗ drivers it's not the kids getting out of

1:57:00 ↗ buses that are crossing in front of

1:57:02 ↗ parent drivers which are not as good

1:57:05 ↗ drivers yeah this does limit the The

1:57:08 ↗ Crossings to primarily the East and West

1:57:12 ↗ Ends and those are locations where there

1:57:15 ↗ will be monitored staff addressing and

1:57:18 ↗ holding

1:57:20 ↗ cars and the way it's set up now the

1:57:22 ↗ kids crossing on the East End are

1:57:24 ↗ crossing in front of parent drivers not

1:57:27 ↗ bus drivers on this end there is and

1:57:29 ↗ that is a controlled Crossing but it

1:57:32 ↗ also means that the high school students

1:57:34 ↗ who are coming up Don't Have To Cross

1:57:37 ↗ all of the Middle School Parent drop

1:57:41 ↗ off high school students

1:57:45 ↗ yeah well how about the intersection

1:57:48 ↗ where this all all meet right here right

1:57:51 ↗ there

1:57:52 ↗ who who Who's you you got traffic

1:57:55 ↗ control there to okay parents two cars

1:57:58 ↗ can come through now oop stop here comes

1:57:59 ↗ a bus we're stopping the buses just came

1:58:02 ↗ right in front of the school you

1:58:05 ↗ wouldn't have any

1:58:07 ↗ conflict right now you got parents

1:58:09 ↗ Crossing in front of buses right now the

1:58:12 ↗ buses come in for the middle school and

1:58:15 ↗ high school and we'll drop off um the

1:58:19 ↗ high school

1:58:20 ↗ schedule is

1:58:23 ↗ uh earlier than the middle school so

1:58:26 ↗ buses are going to come in for a 7:25

1:58:29 ↗ High School uh opening and drop off kids

1:58:34 ↗ um the Middle School 7:40 start parents

1:58:36 ↗ are going to start to come later so

1:58:39 ↗ buses will have arrived and uh typically

1:58:42 ↗ in the morning there are ones and twos

1:58:44 ↗ that come in at a time and drop off and

1:58:46 ↗ the kids will disperse uh

1:58:49 ↗ afternoon uh Middle School schol gets

1:58:52 ↗ out earlier the buses will all be

1:58:54 ↗ stacked in here prior to their 205

1:58:57 ↗ dismissal and then parents will start to

1:58:59 ↗ arrive to pick up kids and

1:59:04 ↗ um standard practice the kids are

1:59:06 ↗ escorted to the bus even at the high

1:59:08 ↗ school level there are staff that are

1:59:11 ↗ along the bus line and once all the kids

1:59:13 ↗ are loaded into the bus then they give

1:59:14 ↗ the approval for the buses to leave and

1:59:17 ↗ they all leave as a platoon they don't

1:59:20 ↗ leave individually

1:59:24 ↗ there just

1:59:25 ↗ a I guess on the question of the

1:59:28 ↗ logistics of getting people students

1:59:31 ↗ parents buses in and out of the campus

1:59:34 ↗ um trying to figure it out in a 4-Hour

1:59:36 ↗ meeting and something that you guys have

1:59:38 ↗ given significant thought to I think for

1:59:40 ↗ hours and days and probably months

1:59:42 ↗ months um but I I have some other

1:59:44 ↗ questions I think we talked about this

1:59:45 ↗ the last time trying to understand the

1:59:48 ↗ impact of this

1:59:50 ↗ um this arrange has particularly on the

1:59:53 ↗ Evans Street the properties along Evans

1:59:56 ↗ Street the currently um for Clark

2:00:00 ↗ Elementary and I don't think Tiger has

2:00:02 ↗ bus access but what do buses currently

2:00:05 ↗ access the schools from Evans Street I

2:00:08 ↗ know the high school doesn't but uh uh

2:00:11 ↗ Clark access is basically from about

2:00:13 ↗ this

2:00:14 ↗ location uh up along the west side and

2:00:16 ↗ then they exit basically at this

2:00:18 ↗ intersection okay and uh current there

2:00:22 ↗ is no uh other than somebody getting

2:00:26 ↗ lost and using the upper high school

2:00:27 ↗ parking lot entrance no bus traffic here

2:00:31 ↗ um we again looked at a number of

2:00:33 ↗ different options in the original

2:00:35 ↗ proposal that was presented earlier bus

2:00:37 ↗ traffic came in off of Evans and loop

2:00:39 ↗ back around and came back out on Evans

2:00:41 ↗ we felt that that was a duplication of

2:00:44 ↗ bus traffic that that wasn't necessary

2:00:47 ↗ and that exiting the buses at the

2:00:49 ↗ traffic light allowed for uh control

2:00:52 ↗ movements and movements in both the

2:00:53 ↗ North and South directions which was an

2:00:55 ↗ easier

2:00:56 ↗ exit

2:00:58 ↗ um the 29 to 32 buses that would access

2:01:02 ↗ along Evans twice a day uh is

2:01:05 ↗ significantly fewer vehicle trips than

2:01:08 ↗ if you had as

2:01:11 ↗ suggested uh parents and visitors

2:01:15 ↗ accessing off of Evans uh that bus

2:01:18 ↗ traffic occurs basically twice a day and

2:01:21 ↗ a very very sort of limited time frame

2:01:24 ↗ if you have parent and visitor traffic

2:01:26 ↗ coming in off of Evans that's something

2:01:28 ↗ that occurs all day long and it occurs

2:01:30 ↗ into the evening hours for after school

2:01:32 ↗ events and uh we felt that the bus

2:01:35 ↗ traffic there was a lot less of an

2:01:38 ↗ impact than uh the vehicle trips that

2:01:42 ↗ would be generated by uh parents and

2:01:45 ↗ visitors another just another question

2:01:47 ↗ so I understand the kind of the big

2:01:49 ↗ picture so buses that currently in the

2:01:52 ↗ access lanes and drives for the high

2:01:54 ↗ school but what happens to that space

2:01:57 ↗ it's not on the site plan that's a

2:01:59 ↗ fairly significant area now that will

2:02:01 ↗ not be used for buses in in this and and

2:02:03 ↗ that area once the phase two work is

2:02:06 ↗ completed will be reconfigured for

2:02:08 ↗ additional high school parking okay and

2:02:11 ↗ were thoughts given to trying to use

2:02:13 ↗ that access point as a loop to bring the

2:02:16 ↗ buses from the high school and then back

2:02:17 ↗ out at the signal and having a similar

2:02:19 ↗ location for the drop off yeah we did

2:02:21 ↗ look at that as well but uh then in

2:02:23 ↗ general you're making the middle school

2:02:25 ↗ kids walk a lot further to get to the

2:02:27 ↗ bus uh that the location that was more

2:02:30 ↗ Central between the two schools was a

2:02:32 ↗ better location for bus pickup and drop

2:02:35 ↗ off

2:02:38 ↗ um combining the bus Loops does a couple

2:02:41 ↗ of things it uh reduces the total amount

2:02:43 ↗ of impervious area on the two sites um

2:02:46 ↗ currently if you were to create a

2:02:48 ↗ separate Bus Loop for the Middle School

2:02:49 ↗ you'd be picking up dropping off kids at

2:02:51 ↗ the high school and then the buses are

2:02:53 ↗ back out on S back out on Second Avenue

2:02:56 ↗ and then accessing the the Middle

2:03:00 ↗ School excuse me either through Evans or

2:03:03 ↗ through the traffic lights so combining

2:03:05 ↗ them brings the buses in uh brings them

2:03:08 ↗ out at the traffic light keeps and it

2:03:11 ↗ reduces the amount of bus trips on

2:03:14 ↗ Second Avenue I think another thing to

2:03:16 ↗ consider in this whole overall scheme is

2:03:18 ↗ that tied together with this is the

2:03:21 ↗ relocation of Clark and Tiger Mountain

2:03:24 ↗ to the current esqua Middle School

2:03:26 ↗ campus So currently the buses are

2:03:29 ↗ circulating from the Middle School off

2:03:31 ↗ of First Avenue back across to Second

2:03:35 ↗ down Second Avenue to the high school

2:03:38 ↗ and then departing from there um this

2:03:41 ↗ whole overall scheme reduces that tra

2:03:43 ↗ that bus traffic to this core area right

2:03:46 ↗ here uh elementary school

2:03:49 ↗ buses Clark excuse me Clark currently

2:03:52 ↗ has four to five buses so the 29 to 32

2:03:56 ↗ buses that are currently traveling

2:03:57 ↗ through downtown and on First Avenue

2:04:00 ↗ will be reduced to about four to five

2:04:02 ↗ buses uh part of the request related to

2:04:05 ↗ new traffic counts was to incorporate

2:04:08 ↗ the traffic Counts from the Tiger

2:04:11 ↗ Mountain and Clark Elementary Schools

2:04:13 ↗ being on a new site uh such that the

2:04:16 ↗ traffic mitigation for this whole

2:04:19 ↗ overall project is considered as one

2:04:21 ↗ piece and uh taken as a whole

2:04:26 ↗ can

2:04:27 ↗ sorry could you just remind me please of

2:04:31 ↗ what is going to be where the present

2:04:34 ↗ Middle School what the plan is for that

2:04:36 ↗ site once this uh this is

2:04:39 ↗ completed so at the current esal Middle

2:04:42 ↗ School site

2:04:44 ↗ the majority of the Middle School uh

2:04:48 ↗ area will be the new Clark Elementary so

2:04:51 ↗ conceptually the front access

2:04:54 ↗ administration building common central

2:04:56 ↗ hallway remains in place behind that

2:05:00 ↗ there's a new uh multi-purpose room gym

2:05:03 ↗ and Music Room uh

2:05:06 ↗ the areas that are currently occupied by

2:05:09 ↗ the single story campus plan classrooms

2:05:11 ↗ will be uh demolished and Consolidated

2:05:16 ↗ into a much more energy efficient two

2:05:18 ↗ struct twostory elementary school

2:05:20 ↗ building uh the area where the current

2:05:23 ↗ classrooms are will become partly hard

2:05:25 ↗ surface play area and the elementary

2:05:28 ↗ school will use the Western portion of

2:05:31 ↗ the current track grass area as their

2:05:33 ↗ soft play play area and the traffic uh

2:05:37 ↗ the traffic or

2:05:39 ↗ that modified facility will be

2:05:42 ↗ essentially the same in terms of count

2:05:44 ↗ and access to uh isqua Hobart uh it is

2:05:49 ↗ now uh CL CLK CLK as an elementary

2:05:52 ↗ school will have a smaller population

2:05:55 ↗ than the middle school and again

2:05:57 ↗ significantly different numbers of buses

2:06:00 ↗ the attendance area is much smaller so

2:06:03 ↗ that uh it's using four to five buses

2:06:06 ↗ versus the 29 and projected to be 32

2:06:09 ↗ buses that will the current the 29 that

2:06:11 ↗ currently Ser serve the middle and high

2:06:13 ↗ school you envisioned that ultimate

2:06:16 ↗ completion of these moves to have uh say

2:06:20 ↗ reduce result in reduced traffic uh now

2:06:23 ↗ on on front uh Front Street I think that

2:06:27 ↗ where the traffic comes out of the

2:06:28 ↗ middle school as it is now the front and

2:06:30 ↗ sunset interchange should see re reduced

2:06:33 ↗ traffic the traffic on First Avenue and

2:06:36 ↗ the cross street there should be reduced

2:06:38 ↗ as well when those uh when that area

2:06:41 ↗ becomes an elementary in the Tiger

2:06:45 ↗ Mountain any other

2:06:47 ↗ questions yeah um you got some Portables

2:06:51 ↗ over there

2:06:52 ↗ um right here yeah yeah what's the the

2:06:55 ↗ the plan for

2:06:57 ↗ those well we typically provide space on

2:07:01 ↗ New School site plans to allow for four

2:07:04 ↗ double Portables that's eight eight

2:07:06 ↗ classrooms uh to accommodate uh

2:07:09 ↗ increases in growth we know that the

2:07:11 ↗ city has approved the core area

2:07:13 ↗ development plan which uh is projected

2:07:16 ↗ to generate another 2,800

2:07:18 ↗ students um that's a pretty significant

2:07:21 ↗ an impact to the school district uh with

2:07:23 ↗ regards to the fact that that would

2:07:25 ↗ generate enough kids

2:07:27 ↗ to as percentages go fill two

2:07:29 ↗ elementaries a middle school and about

2:07:32 ↗ half of a high school so we doesn't it

2:07:34 ↗ make sense to with those portable sounds

2:07:37 ↗ like you the school district needs those

2:07:40 ↗ rooms doesn't it make sense to have

2:07:42 ↗ those classroom in the new building and

2:07:44 ↗ then open up that

2:07:45 ↗ area and so my second question is that

2:07:49 ↗ is there any reason why we're not

2:07:51 ↗ scooting this whole complex further to

2:07:54 ↗ the West so that we could open up the

2:07:58 ↗ parking separate the parking I I've seen

2:08:01 ↗ you can probably do a better parking

2:08:03 ↗ where one side of the building is for

2:08:05 ↗ parents the other side of the building

2:08:07 ↗ are for Bus drop off seems like you're

2:08:10 ↗ kind of squeezing yourself in that

2:08:11 ↗ little

2:08:13 ↗ corner well the the Portables would be

2:08:15 ↗ seen as an interim solution for

2:08:18 ↗ additional classroom

2:08:19 ↗ spaces um the the long-term buildout you

2:08:23 ↗ know if you consider the fact that there

2:08:26 ↗ is no vacant or underutilized land in

2:08:30 ↗ the core area of isqua there there are

2:08:32 ↗ no 10 acre sites that we could acquire

2:08:34 ↗ for new elementary schools we we have to

2:08:38 ↗ look at maximizing the utilization of

2:08:40 ↗ our existing sites first and uh our

2:08:44 ↗ sites will become significantly more

2:08:46 ↗ dense in the future part of this

2:08:48 ↗ planning process envisions that this

2:08:51 ↗ area right here will become a future

2:08:55 ↗ three-story classroom Edition and the

2:08:58 ↗ need for that totally predicated on the

2:09:01 ↗ buildout um it's really hard to project

2:09:05 ↗ future student

2:09:07 ↗ populations uh by what

2:09:09 ↗ year uh when there's going to be as much

2:09:12 ↗ growth potential as there is the longer

2:09:15 ↗ it takes to build out the more aging we

2:09:16 ↗ have of existing population I and I

2:09:19 ↗ understand that and that's why I guess I

2:09:21 ↗ I'm trying to figure out why do you need

2:09:23 ↗ portable future portable classroom when

2:09:26 ↗ here we are building a new building why

2:09:28 ↗ could you just you add to the new new

2:09:32 ↗ building the classroom that you would

2:09:34 ↗ need and then thus you can take out the

2:09:36 ↗ future portable you know that' be a

2:09:39 ↗ space and eventually scoot the building

2:09:41 ↗ over and that'll give you the parking or

2:09:44 ↗ or the the transit commun Transportation

2:09:48 ↗ uh separation

2:09:51 ↗ uh and and I'm just throwing it out you

2:09:54 ↗ know as parents on the east side parents

2:09:57 ↗ drop off on the east side of the

2:09:58 ↗ building and then school buses drop off

2:10:01 ↗ on the south side of the building so we

2:10:03 ↗ have this real clear safety deoration

2:10:07 ↗ well you're going to have Crossings in

2:10:09 ↗ this Zone unless you put the bus traffic

2:10:13 ↗ in a two-way Direction on Evans or you

2:10:15 ↗ put the parent traffic in an Ingress and

2:10:18 ↗ egress uh mode on Evans and so uh All

2:10:23 ↗ Things

2:10:24 ↗ Considered uh we felt that this was the

2:10:27 ↗ best solution provided the least amount

2:10:29 ↗ of impact to the neighbors to the north

2:10:32 ↗ uh basically we are looking at staff

2:10:34 ↗ parking on the east and north and that

2:10:38 ↗ the parent visitor parking is on the

2:10:40 ↗ south uh which also provides for that

2:10:43 ↗ space to be utilized by the high school

2:10:45 ↗ for events when it's after hours for the

2:10:48 ↗ middle

2:10:49 ↗ school I hear what you said Steve but I

2:10:52 ↗ don't quite agree with it there's

2:10:53 ↗ there's better a way of segregating the

2:10:56 ↗ bus versus the parents drop off uh seems

2:10:59 ↗ to me your there's a Clark building that

2:11:02 ↗ you're trying to stay away from that's

2:11:04 ↗ why your middle school was Tu tucked

2:11:07 ↗ away on the east

2:11:09 ↗ side like Mike says you know you

2:11:12 ↗ probably spend a lot of time thinking

2:11:14 ↗ about Ted well the area that's to the

2:11:17 ↗ west of the building where the future

2:11:18 ↗ Portables are located until there's an

2:11:21 ↗ need for that that space is basically

2:11:23 ↗ Playfield area for the middle school I

2:11:26 ↗ mean yeah we we'd like not to put

2:11:28 ↗ Portables in but to to build out the

2:11:31 ↗ full addition is is millions of dollars

2:11:34 ↗ that wasn't a part of the bond that was

2:11:36 ↗ put together in 2011 and improved in

2:11:42 ↗ 2012 I got two

2:11:45 ↗ questions and I first one I'd like to

2:11:48 ↗ know can you address Connie Marsh's

2:11:50 ↗ question about about why that parking

2:11:53 ↗ lot north of the new field for high

2:11:57 ↗ school students North isn't on the south

2:11:59 ↗ end closer to the high school the

2:12:01 ↗ Northwest well Connie I think was

2:12:03 ↗ talking about this parking here which is

2:12:05 ↗ the current parking that serves Tiger

2:12:08 ↗ Mountain Community High School uh We've

2:12:10 ↗ looked at that two things happen you

2:12:12 ↗ could move the football field North here

2:12:15 ↗ and you could put the you could rebuild

2:12:17 ↗ you could demo the parking move the

2:12:19 ↗ football field North and then put

2:12:21 ↗ parking down here uh physically that

2:12:24 ↗ fits what happens is that you lose a lot

2:12:28 ↗ more of the existing trees in the north

2:12:30 ↗ corner of this area here and the

2:12:32 ↗ retaining wall Heights get significantly

2:12:34 ↗ higher because the grades are dropping

2:12:36 ↗ off from this point down to the

2:12:38 ↗ intersection at Evans and Second Avenue

2:12:40 ↗ so it became visually much more

2:12:43 ↗ impacting than this situation here okay

2:12:46 ↗ it's a good answer good answer um the

2:12:49 ↗ other question I have is

2:12:54 ↗ um we have we we looked at this

2:12:58 ↗ project 18 months ago yeah something

2:13:02 ↗ like that and then apparently it was put

2:13:04 ↗ on hold for money or something and then

2:13:06 ↗ redesigned I'm not mistaken the original

2:13:09 ↗ project was only two stories the

2:13:11 ↗ original building was a two-story

2:13:13 ↗ classroom configuration the track and

2:13:16 ↗ field replaced the high school softball

2:13:19 ↗ fields in this area and it extend

2:13:21 ↗ extended up into this Zone there was the

2:13:24 ↗ softball field that got built up into

2:13:26 ↗ this area and a relocation of the Gun

2:13:28 ↗ Club Road uh to provide additional space

2:13:31 ↗ to accommodate that

2:13:34 ↗ um circulation patterns were a little

2:13:37 ↗ bit different uh we looked at that uh we

2:13:41 ↗ at that time realized that there was a

2:13:43 ↗ need for preserving some additional Site

2:13:45 ↗ Area for future potential expansion and

2:13:48 ↗ we moved to the three-story plan the

2:13:50 ↗ original two-story plan extended further

2:13:53 ↗ out this way to accommodate the the same

2:13:57 ↗ number of classrooms in two stories is

2:13:59 ↗ three stories so we basically compacted

2:14:02 ↗ the building went to three stories

2:14:03 ↗ instead of two stories allows for future

2:14:06 ↗ potential expansion in this area if it's

2:14:09 ↗ needed in the future and uh meant that

2:14:13 ↗ we could save all the trees in this

2:14:15 ↗ section up in here we have shown this as

2:14:19 ↗ uh it's not part of the current funded

2:14:21 ↗ project and it's not part of what would

2:14:22 ↗ be built in the phase one uh two or

2:14:25 ↗ three that were shown uh but we have

2:14:28 ↗ shown this to include this in our

2:14:30 ↗ traffic counts so that it would be a

2:14:32 ↗ part of that overall traffic analysis

2:14:35 ↗ and we wouldn't be coming back later and

2:14:37 ↗ looking at that uh for the time being

2:14:39 ↗ this will remain in trees and there

2:14:43 ↗ there there is a need to relocate the

2:14:46 ↗ trail outside of its current pathway

2:14:49 ↗ that runs through the middle of the

2:14:50 ↗ school site that's a Safety and Security

2:14:53 ↗ Hazard that our Consultants have

2:14:54 ↗ recommended is a significant liability

2:14:57 ↗ and needs to be addressed and that the

2:14:59 ↗ trail needs to be relocated out of the

2:15:01 ↗ core of the school site so yeah that's

2:15:04 ↗ fine the question I have is regard to

2:15:05 ↗ the building

2:15:09 ↗ size it's now three stories but smaller

2:15:12 ↗ design one of the concerns we had the

2:15:14 ↗ last time we looked at it was that

2:15:16 ↗ courtyard was going to be blocked MH

2:15:19 ↗ there was two stories now it's going to

2:15:21 ↗ be three stories and in the winter time

2:15:23 ↗ it's going to be even darker looks like

2:15:25 ↗ it's wider than it was it seems to me I

2:15:27 ↗ remember it being kind of a triangle

2:15:30 ↗ looking thing where trapezoid last

2:15:33 ↗ time did we add more classrooms total to

2:15:37 ↗ the design or did we just push them and

2:15:40 ↗ raise them there was one classroom that

2:15:42 ↗ was added in going from two stories to

2:15:44 ↗ three stories to to fill out the same

2:15:46 ↗ footprint area on the third floor uh the

2:15:49 ↗ configuration of the building or Al had

2:15:51 ↗ an angle in the classroom Wing here

2:15:54 ↗ there was a narrower area of space

2:15:57 ↗ between the East and the west wings as

2:16:00 ↗ in the original and this has been

2:16:02 ↗ widened out um yeah we've looked at that

2:16:05 ↗ we've looked at Sun angles and things

2:16:07 ↗ like that so we we do understand and and

2:16:09 ↗ there is a lot of transparency in the

2:16:10 ↗ building in this area

2:16:13 ↗ so is has the building just regard to

2:16:17 ↗ what commissioner dong said regards to

2:16:20 ↗ the

2:16:21 ↗ Portables is the building

2:16:24 ↗ designed for chance to add another floor

2:16:27 ↗ later

2:16:28 ↗ on uh the building's not designed to add

2:16:31 ↗ another floor but it is designed to

2:16:33 ↗ expand out to the north with a an

2:16:36 ↗ additional three or that's that addition

2:16:39 ↗ could go more stories okay and and

2:16:42 ↗ that's part of what articulates the the

2:16:45 ↗ window area in the north wall versus the

2:16:49 ↗ area that's solid Windows is is that

2:16:52 ↗ that ties into a future expansion okay

2:16:55 ↗ thank you uh sir in the material that

2:16:57 ↗ was provided to the Commissioners by the

2:17:00 ↗ uh City staff on page

2:17:02 ↗ 51 refers to Frontage improvements along

2:17:06 ↗ Second Avenue include a 10-ft wide

2:17:08 ↗ sidewalk and I'm quoting that serve a

2:17:11 ↗ shared use Trail for bike and pedestrian

2:17:15 ↗ circulation

2:17:18 ↗ uh we all know that in the Seattle area

2:17:21 ↗ there is a

2:17:23 ↗ constant conflict between bicyclers and

2:17:27 ↗ cars and pedestrians and I believe that

2:17:31 ↗ the state law says that bicycles are

2:17:34 ↗ vehicles and they are not to go on side

2:17:37 ↗ walks and there's there are penalties

2:17:39 ↗ for doing that so I'm not I I know this

2:17:42 ↗ as a trail but how do you how do you

2:17:45 ↗ propose to safely mix uh it it's done on

2:17:49 ↗ public Trails the Trail I understand

2:17:52 ↗ that but those are you is this does this

2:17:54 ↗ fall into that category in terms of uh

2:17:56 ↗ mixed use I it's a similar situation the

2:18:01 ↗ section of Second Avenue along the front

2:18:03 ↗ of the high school is basically set up

2:18:05 ↗ currently in charos where the bike lane

2:18:07 ↗ shares the traffic

2:18:09 ↗ lane uh as we've discussed with the city

2:18:12 ↗ the options as you proceeded north um

2:18:15 ↗ you could continue the charos uh the I

2:18:19 ↗ think the overall sense was that but a

2:18:22 ↗ wider combined bike and pedestrian path

2:18:25 ↗ on the east side of the roadway provided

2:18:26 ↗ a safer circulation pattern there's also

2:18:30 ↗ what is shown here as as a bike path

2:18:33 ↗ that that basically connects down to the

2:18:35 ↗ reineer trail because currently there

2:18:37 ↗ are no bike Lanes on the section of

2:18:40 ↗ Second Avenue uh north of Evans to

2:18:43 ↗ Sunset so that bicycle use on the Rainer

2:18:47 ↗ Trail would be able to use the new Conor

2:18:51 ↗ this was a paved uh pathway up that

2:18:54 ↗ provides a Crossing into the the shared

2:18:58 ↗ use uh pathway that provides access

2:19:01 ↗ directly into the middle school without

2:19:03 ↗ crossing any traffic patterns crosses

2:19:05 ↗ high school students at the traffic

2:19:07 ↗ signal which then puts them onto a

2:19:10 ↗ sidewalk walk path into the front of the

2:19:13 ↗ building okay um all right thank you do

2:19:18 ↗ we have any more are there any more

2:19:19 ↗ questions for this gentleman before we

2:19:22 ↗ proceed uh for the architect no for the

2:19:25 ↗ school board representative not thank

2:19:28 ↗ you sir appreciate

2:19:30 ↗ it um the question I have is for uh the

2:19:34 ↗ tracks um you have seatings right here

2:19:36 ↗ is that all the seatings that you need

2:19:39 ↗ for a

2:19:41 ↗ school

2:19:43 ↗ that's uh traditionally there's not much

2:19:46 ↗ seating that's used for Middle School

2:19:49 ↗ events and so as as was explained there

2:19:52 ↗ is the section here that was set up with

2:19:56 ↗ Terrace seating there's a grass Bank

2:19:59 ↗ along here for any overflow sort of

2:20:01 ↗ event uh but typically middle schools

2:20:04 ↗ don't have any more bleacher seating

2:20:06 ↗ than what shown

2:20:08 ↗ here number seems pretty

2:20:11 ↗ small seem there I'm sorry one more

2:20:13 ↗ question but what's the the what would

2:20:15 ↗ the off hours access and parking be for

2:20:19 ↗ the athletic fields for people in nights

2:20:21 ↗ and weekends that wanted to use the

2:20:23 ↗ field

2:20:25 ↗ um typically the school parking lots are

2:20:28 ↗ open that was one of the other

2:20:30 ↗ advantages of keeping this parking on

2:20:32 ↗ the North End here where it already

2:20:34 ↗ exists is that it provides great level

2:20:37 ↗ access to the football field track um

2:20:41 ↗ which is striped for soccer and Lacrosse

2:20:44 ↗ and basically there's a short rise up to

2:20:47 ↗ the softball field level here so that

2:20:48 ↗ there is this parking available to serve

2:20:50 ↗ both of the playfields for after hours

2:20:54 ↗ use just out of curiosity if that was

2:20:57 ↗ full would I then would I go to the

2:20:59 ↗ upper loading upper parking lot or for

2:21:03 ↗ football field events and things yeah um

2:21:07 ↗ you I would say that they probably use

2:21:09 ↗ the the parent visitor parking in this

2:21:11 ↗ area would be the next area right that's

2:21:14 ↗ that's closest okay thank you I do have

2:21:19 ↗ it strikes me is amazing that we're

2:21:22 ↗ spending so much time talking about

2:21:24 ↗ parking uh I just especially private

2:21:28 ↗ occupants or private vehicles but has

2:21:31 ↗ there been uh I personally have

2:21:33 ↗ experienced the phenomenon that was

2:21:35 ↗ mentioned by some of our uh members of

2:21:37 ↗ the public and it was also in the uh

2:21:39 ↗ prepared documents about the apparent uh

2:21:43 ↗ lack of enforcement of parking laws

2:21:46 ↗ rules codes whatever on Evans uh does

2:21:50 ↗ the school board and or does the city

2:21:54 ↗ ever actually tow away cars that are

2:21:56 ↗ parked next to towway own is that ever

2:22:00 ↗ enforced it's it's because it's it's

2:22:03 ↗ it's literally every day I mean I've

2:22:05 ↗ been on that road Monday Tuesday

2:22:07 ↗ Wednesday whatever and it's it's I mean

2:22:10 ↗ it's

2:22:11 ↗ complete uh how should I say it avoiding

2:22:16 ↗ uh clearly

2:22:18 ↗ signed the south side of the street is

2:22:21 ↗ is signed for no parking

2:22:24 ↗ um I don't know whose responsibility

2:22:27 ↗ enforcement of that would be it's mostly

2:22:29 ↗ students right I'm sure that it's

2:22:33 ↗ students well so is this a she said she

2:22:36 ↗ said whose job is it to enforce it

2:22:38 ↗ because it is an issue I mean it's a

2:22:41 ↗ safety issue it's a scoff law issue and

2:22:44 ↗ it's something that affects the

2:22:45 ↗ residents there it affects the members

2:22:46 ↗ and the users of the Sportsman's Club

2:22:49 ↗ and I don't quite understand understand

2:22:51 ↗ why why kids are learning that they can

2:22:55 ↗ park anywhere they want with no

2:22:58 ↗ consequences

2:23:00 ↗ yeah as noted the RightWay ends at this

2:23:03 ↗ point so any speeding down through here

2:23:06 ↗ would have to be City

2:23:08 ↗ enforced uh the reason I'm not exactly

2:23:11 ↗ clear who enforces this up here is that

2:23:13 ↗ this is School District property but

2:23:15 ↗ there's an easement that was granted to

2:23:17 ↗ the city for access to the gun club

2:23:19 ↗ Sportsman Club clubhouse and shooting

2:23:23 ↗ range so I'm I'm not really certain of

2:23:27 ↗ the legal standing

2:23:30 ↗ of does the Sportsman's Club to the best

2:23:33 ↗ of your knowledge ever have overflow

2:23:36 ↗ parking where people park there on on on

2:23:40 ↗ Evans or is it or is the parking usually

2:23:43 ↗ for the sportsman's club members or

2:23:45 ↗ users in the parking lot that's provided

2:23:48 ↗ by you yeah the the road is pretty much

2:23:50 ↗ all used by students parking and when

2:23:53 ↗ our parking lot which does overflow

2:23:56 ↗ sometimes because we're limited yeah um

2:23:58 ↗ it's on weekday yeah almost impossible

2:24:01 ↗ for M to find parking because and

2:24:04 ↗ sometimes just access to the club is

2:24:05 ↗ hard because of students park the middle

2:24:07 ↗ of the road

2:24:09 ↗ onner yeah uh so uh I I since we've

2:24:14 ↗ spent so much time talking about parking

2:24:17 ↗ and you've spent so much time planning

2:24:19 ↗ it uh I it seems to me that one of the

2:24:22 ↗ things that we can start with in terms

2:24:24 ↗ of leadership here is to uh provide

2:24:27 ↗ consequences for people that that

2:24:31 ↗ violate violate the laws and cause

2:24:33 ↗ problems for everybody else yeah and the

2:24:35 ↗ determination of who's responsible for

2:24:37 ↗ that you know I'll leave it up to the

2:24:39 ↗ city and the and the school board but

2:24:41 ↗ it's it's just uh I think it's something

2:24:44 ↗ that sounds like it ought to be

2:24:45 ↗ addressed okay um I think another go

2:24:49 ↗ ahead I was going to say another thing

2:24:51 ↗ that's that that impacts and will

2:24:53 ↗ continue to impact to a greater degree

2:24:55 ↗ in the future is the County's ruling

2:24:57 ↗ that all schools will be located within

2:25:00 ↗ the urban growth boundary line and that

2:25:03 ↗ basically may be an unintended

2:25:05 ↗ consequence but that means that every

2:25:07 ↗ student in the rural area is going to

2:25:08 ↗ get transported to a school that's

2:25:10 ↗ inside the urban line and some

2:25:13 ↗ percentage of those are going to be

2:25:14 ↗ parents and the further out in the rural

2:25:17 ↗ area they get the larger the percentage

2:25:19 ↗ of that parent driving population

2:25:21 ↗ probably becomes um but that's that's a

2:25:24 ↗ given given County policy do you know if

2:25:27 ↗ the school board is uh looking you

2:25:31 ↗ mentioned earlier encouraging uh the use

2:25:34 ↗ of the buses uh is there

2:25:37 ↗ any uh embryonic plan to try to get to a

2:25:42 ↗ point where as is the case with the city

2:25:45 ↗ of Seattle where they're uh uh looking

2:25:49 ↗ at actually reducing the number of cars

2:25:51 ↗ that are brought onto campus on a daily

2:25:54 ↗ basis uh that gets back to a question

2:25:57 ↗ that comes up regularly and has come up

2:25:59 ↗ in this process where there's

2:26:01 ↗ suggestions that we should have more

2:26:02 ↗ parking and we should build tiered

2:26:03 ↗ parking garages and there's other

2:26:05 ↗ suggestions that we should reduce the

2:26:07 ↗ number of parking spaces and if we

2:26:09 ↗ reduce the number of parking spaces and

2:26:11 ↗ that creates potent you know potential

2:26:13 ↗ of pressure on adjacent public streets

2:26:17 ↗ if there's parking on a public Street

2:26:18 ↗ then it's a public Street and anybody

2:26:20 ↗ can park there and you

2:26:23 ↗ know oh all

2:26:26 ↗ right okay um are there any more oh I do

2:26:30 ↗ at the the parking lot there uh adjacent

2:26:32 ↗ that that is in the

2:26:33 ↗ future uh could you tell the commission

2:26:37 ↗ again I mean I understand we understand

2:26:39 ↗ that that's not in the current phasing

2:26:42 ↗ but what would be the impact on the

2:26:44 ↗ trees that are there now if this plan is

2:26:48 ↗ put in place um this is an area that was

2:26:52 ↗ a skate range y um this is not an area

2:26:57 ↗ of old growth trees uh there are trees

2:27:00 ↗ in there um

2:27:04 ↗ and to to put parking in here will

2:27:06 ↗ require the removal of some trees um it

2:27:10 ↗ yeah they're not old growth trees a lot

2:27:13 ↗ of them have been sort of stunted by

2:27:16 ↗ pellets Etc uh there's more significant

2:27:19 ↗ trees on on the the north side and

2:27:22 ↗ there's some larger trees sort of back

2:27:24 ↗ along the north perimeter of the

2:27:27 ↗ road okay um there is a tree survey

2:27:31 ↗ that's included in the documents that

2:27:33 ↗ shows the sizes and

2:27:34 ↗ locations there will be one one Reader

2:27:38 ↗ sign to serve both schools there will be

2:27:41 ↗ one Reader sign to sign to serve both

2:27:44 ↗ schools the initial thought was that the

2:27:47 ↗ Middle School sign well

2:27:51 ↗ there was one sign put in for the high

2:27:53 ↗ school and psse came in and put a

2:27:54 ↗ Transformer box in front of it so you

2:27:56 ↗ can't really read it so the original

2:27:59 ↗ plan although sign has to be in a

2:28:01 ↗ separate permit was that the reader

2:28:03 ↗ board would be raised so that the bottom

2:28:05 ↗ of it is basically at the top of the

2:28:08 ↗ Transformer cabinet and that the signage

2:28:12 ↗ would indicate both the middle school

2:28:14 ↗ and the high school you do you have

2:28:18 ↗ um document mented evidence that the

2:28:21 ↗ reader board serves as a net plus in

2:28:25 ↗ terms of providing information to people

2:28:28 ↗ that they would not otherwise get as

2:28:30 ↗ opposed to a net safety issue when we've

2:28:34 ↗ taking so much time to talk about

2:28:36 ↗ people texting while they're driving and

2:28:38 ↗ talking on cell phones and reader boards

2:28:41 ↗ are essentially look at me distraction

2:28:44 ↗ right at the main

2:28:47 ↗ intersection I don't know how I don't

2:28:50 ↗ know that it's Quantified I'm not

2:28:52 ↗ exactly sure how you do that I would

2:28:54 ↗ hope they'd stop texting to read the

2:28:55 ↗ reader board where the other they're not

2:28:58 ↗ looking at the

2:29:00 ↗ road now as you can't

2:29:02 ↗ see okay all right I I just it strikes

2:29:05 ↗ me as a kind of uh reader boards in

2:29:08 ↗ general as a as a planned distraction to

2:29:13 ↗ people that are already distracted and

2:29:14 ↗ that location of there with that level

2:29:16 ↗ of traffic is really problematic well um

2:29:20 ↗ all of the schools have a reader board

2:29:23 ↗ um there's only two in the city that

2:29:25 ↗ have electronic reader boards the rest

2:29:27 ↗ of them do have manually replacable

2:29:31 ↗ boards uh that do provide information

2:29:33 ↗ about events and activities

2:29:39 ↗ okay yeah and it it it's on a limited

2:29:42 ↗ scrolling basis so it's okay not like

2:29:45 ↗ the some of the signs that all right

2:29:48 ↗ commissioner yes uh maybe a little

2:29:51 ↗ subject change and try to um maybe

2:29:54 ↗ understand better some of the design um

2:29:57 ↗ kind of conclusions that youve reached

2:29:59 ↗ maybe these are from David uh so a

2:30:02 ↗ couple questions one is you talked a bit

2:30:04 ↗ about um having compatibility with the

2:30:08 ↗ high school but then having uh kind of a

2:30:10 ↗ standalone presence of the middle school

2:30:13 ↗ and and I look at the

2:30:15 ↗ two pallets I guess and there's so much

2:30:18 ↗ similarity I I'm I'm struggling to get

2:30:20 ↗ the the independence of middle school

2:30:24 ↗ and and I think to clarify that that was

2:30:26 ↗ really at a site planning level you know

2:30:28 ↗ we looked at how close the middle school

2:30:30 ↗ would be how much they could feel almost

2:30:33 ↗ part of one school um and it was really

2:30:35 ↗ determined that it needed to have you

2:30:38 ↗ know a really distinct front door um

2:30:41 ↗ distinct arrival Point distinct presence

2:30:44 ↗ on the site um at the same time it's

2:30:46 ↗ meant to look as a cohesive campus you

2:30:49 ↗ know as as if you were in a college

2:30:51 ↗ University campus where there might be

2:30:53 ↗ you know a common material tying the

2:30:55 ↗ campus together but you would have

2:30:56 ↗ different departments you know having

2:30:58 ↗ their own

2:31:00 ↗ identity so uh couple more design

2:31:03 ↗ related questions so the you've heard

2:31:05 ↗ this staff you heard staff talk about

2:31:07 ↗ the blank wall um conditions that exist

2:31:11 ↗ in several locations I guess the one

2:31:13 ↗ that struck me I um initially as I was

2:31:16 ↗ going through the staff report was just

2:31:18 ↗ at the entryway and in the LGE large

2:31:21 ↗ kind of blank wall I know it's got

2:31:23 ↗ texture to it but blank wall and then

2:31:25 ↗ the last rendering that you showed

2:31:27 ↗ showed the trees in there if you take

2:31:29 ↗ the trees out or you take the leaves off

2:31:31 ↗ the trees you got a fairly

2:31:33 ↗ tall Stark wall so there was a suggest

2:31:37 ↗ couple of Suggestions by staff to do

2:31:39 ↗ something to add more texture or to put

2:31:41 ↗ um roof covering um some weather

2:31:44 ↗ protection and have you thought about

2:31:46 ↗ those Solutions or have you talked with

2:31:49 ↗ staff about those I I agree something

2:31:51 ↗ else needs to happen there and I'm just

2:31:52 ↗ trying to understand what the right

2:31:53 ↗ solution is and how far you've gone and

2:31:55 ↗ you're thinking about

2:31:57 ↗ that well and and I think what um a

2:32:00 ↗ couple things uh we were looking at was

2:32:04 ↗ one you know kind of the presence of a

2:32:06 ↗ wall um and a canopy would certainly

2:32:09 ↗ change the presence as the image showed

2:32:11 ↗ that Amy showed From Below you wouldn't

2:32:13 ↗ see the top of the wall um and so

2:32:15 ↗ there's maybe a scaling Factor but from

2:32:17 ↗ a distance I you know I think you still

2:32:19 ↗ would see quite a bit of the wall above

2:32:21 ↗ it and what you would lose is the trees

2:32:23 ↗ you know the reality is there's a

2:32:24 ↗ limited amount of space there and if you

2:32:26 ↗ put a canopy of any you know

2:32:28 ↗ significance uh that was not was more

2:32:31 ↗ than just decorative but truly

2:32:32 ↗ functional you would be pushing out and

2:32:34 ↗ those trees would would go um we see the

2:32:36 ↗ trees as being you know a important and

2:32:39 ↗ significant element here and I know

2:32:41 ↗ that's not um specifically considered as

2:32:45 ↗ a way to mitigate a blank wall um but it

2:32:49 ↗ is I think a reality that this building

2:32:51 ↗ is surrounded by rows of trees and you

2:32:55 ↗ know they do make an impact um I also

2:32:58 ↗ you know did want to and we actually

2:32:59 ↗ brought a sample the material that we're

2:33:01 ↗ using on that it is a highlight you we

2:33:03 ↗ there have been discussions around

2:33:05 ↗ changing patternings textures of

2:33:07 ↗ concrete block um this is a uh a cement

2:33:11 ↗ boort panel with a very

2:33:12 ↗ articulated um joint patterns these

2:33:15 ↗ aren't joints that will disappear and

2:33:17 ↗ appear you know very blank and as you

2:33:20 ↗ can see there you know that is very

2:33:21 ↗ intentionally uh looking at a variety of

2:33:25 ↗ patterns to give some interest to that

2:33:26 ↗ wall um I also think relative to the

2:33:29 ↗ high school and some of the walls that

2:33:32 ↗ are there with the scale of the building

2:33:34 ↗ this is actually very comparable and

2:33:37 ↗ even smaller we have the gym size of the

2:33:40 ↗ middle school isn't anything nearer like

2:33:41 ↗ the size of the high school um and you

2:33:45 ↗ know schools have those types of spaces

2:33:47 ↗ which one would expect that often the

2:33:49 ↗ these uh rules around articulation you

2:33:52 ↗ know are not necessarily thought of with

2:33:54 ↗ spaces of of this nature so um whether

2:33:57 ↗ or not a canopy or not would be useful I

2:33:59 ↗ mean that's something certainly you know

2:34:02 ↗ um you know we live in the Pacific

2:34:03 ↗ Northwest you know is it something that

2:34:05 ↗ is um you know with 900 kids coming out

2:34:09 ↗ of there can you ever do a canopy that

2:34:11 ↗ is adequate I mean we we have these

2:34:12 ↗ debates at schools often so it's not

2:34:14 ↗ something I think in our even for the

2:34:16 ↗ high school there was a thought could we

2:34:17 ↗ do a canopy all the way out to Second

2:34:19 ↗ Avenue you know

2:34:21 ↗ just to understand sort of the the

2:34:23 ↗ usefulness of how much of a canopy um is

2:34:27 ↗ going to really serve its purpose Mike I

2:34:29 ↗ have a followup on on your question for

2:34:32 ↗ the city uh for the staff do the kinds

2:34:35 ↗ of uh I I guess embossing uh for one of

2:34:38 ↗ better architectural term that we see on

2:34:41 ↗ the sunset interchange on and several of

2:34:43 ↗ the new uh interchanges on the

2:34:45 ↗ interstate where they've got in the

2:34:47 ↗ concrete they've got patterns patterns

2:34:50 ↗ or salmon or something like that is that

2:34:54 ↗ um when it comes to how an architect

2:34:57 ↗ addresses a large wall is that would

2:35:01 ↗ that be considered by the city to be

2:35:03 ↗ acceptable

2:35:05 ↗ mitigation um certainly and um in fact

2:35:09 ↗ uh we have um suggested that for some of

2:35:12 ↗ the retaining walls there's actually one

2:35:14 ↗ 13 foot tie retaining wall that's going

2:35:17 ↗ to be along um what is uh just south of

2:35:20 ↗ the um the faculty parking as you said

2:35:24 ↗ with it could be the logo of the school

2:35:25 ↗ or uh in this in the notes right um so

2:35:29 ↗ that's that's a different

2:35:30 ↗ location um yeah there we go I think so

2:35:36 ↗ you're referring to this yeah there's

2:35:39 ↗ actually going to be a 13t high

2:35:41 ↗ retaining wall there um so however

2:35:44 ↗ because the material they're using is um

2:35:47 ↗ the um Hardy plank or the um um what's

2:35:51 ↗ the what's the official term again for

2:35:53 ↗ that the um yes this the fiber

2:35:56 ↗ cement um you can't really do the

2:35:58 ↗ embossing on that particular type of

2:36:01 ↗ material um and if I may I'd also like

2:36:05 ↗ to um uh note that uh before we um

2:36:09 ↗ recommended the covered walkway we

2:36:11 ↗ actually did a sketch and we measured

2:36:14 ↗ whether or not a walkway will will

2:36:17 ↗ actually be um accommodated by the space

2:36:20 ↗ there um and basically um you could uh

2:36:25 ↗ provide a let's say even like a 5 foot

2:36:27 ↗ wide covered

2:36:29 ↗ walkway with um and with the trees um

2:36:32 ↗ again the trees will eventually grow

2:36:34 ↗ taller than the roof line and in

2:36:37 ↗ addition to that you can always uh

2:36:39 ↗ consider columnar trees um because those

2:36:42 ↗ will have more of a you know vertical

2:36:45 ↗ profile and again it will mitigate the

2:36:47 ↗ blank wall

2:36:49 ↗ so this just give you an example of the

2:36:51 ↗ strong articulation of those joints that

2:36:54 ↗ we'll we'll see on that on that

2:36:56 ↗ patterning

2:36:58 ↗ there did

2:37:01 ↗ you on that same I guess the could you

2:37:04 ↗ show us

2:37:06 ↗ again I I was a little frustrated by the

2:37:09 ↗ staff report in terms of the the page

2:37:13 ↗ that showed the blank wall and then the

2:37:16 ↗ blank wall thees including this so to me

2:37:19 ↗ it doesn't represent what you're going

2:37:20 ↗ to see because it doesn't show the whole

2:37:24 ↗ wall as it should be and I think if you

2:37:26 ↗ can show the elevations page

2:37:32 ↗ again so there where you can see the

2:37:34 ↗ full size of the wall and If This Were A

2:37:39 ↗ If This Were a commercial office

2:37:40 ↗ building project that came to us and we

2:37:43 ↗ saw that blank wall on the left of the

2:37:45 ↗ gym I understand it's a gym and

2:37:46 ↗ everything but

2:37:49 ↗ I don't think there's any way the city

2:37:51 ↗ would allow that to go through even

2:37:53 ↗ though it might be articulating concrete

2:37:55 ↗ and so forth and I'm not even sure that

2:37:57 ↗ just a canopy at the bottom would make a

2:37:59 ↗ difference there again I'm try to make

2:38:01 ↗ sure that we don't discriminate against

2:38:04 ↗ a commercial project versus a public

2:38:06 ↗ project differently and blank walls are

2:38:09 ↗ a big issue and so I think and I guess

2:38:12 ↗ in the same question for Amy and your

2:38:15 ↗ condition with regard that on page 57

2:38:20 ↗ your condition C5 it said on the south

2:38:22 ↗ elevation the applicant shall mitigate

2:38:24 ↗ the blank wall of the gym with the

2:38:27 ↗ following option and then there's one or

2:38:29 ↗ two and I don't know if you meant with

2:38:31 ↗ both of the following options or one of

2:38:34 ↗ the following

2:38:36 ↗ options

2:38:39 ↗ um it's uh page 57 of 63 of the staff

2:38:43 ↗ report sure

2:38:46 ↗ um basically it's one or the other

2:38:49 ↗ so alternative one will be to provide a

2:38:52 ↗ covered walkway right or alternative is

2:38:55 ↗ to um um use Windows trellises wall

2:39:00 ↗ articulation so these are examples that

2:39:02 ↗ are actually cited in the design

2:39:04 ↗ standards okay and okay I guess I

2:39:07 ↗ wouldn't agree that just a covered

2:39:09 ↗ walkway would be enough to break up that

2:39:11 ↗ much of that big of a blank

2:39:13 ↗ wall and and so you're more than welcome

2:39:16 ↗ to revise the condition yes thank you

2:39:21 ↗ Mike did you have something else I was

2:39:24 ↗ just going to respond real quickly too

2:39:25 ↗ and and I had concerns about whether

2:39:27 ↗ canopy that's 8 feet off the ground or 9

2:39:29 ↗ ft off the ground is really going to do

2:39:31 ↗ much to break up the

2:39:33 ↗ visual uh size of the wall when you're

2:39:36 ↗ looking at it from the high school or

2:39:37 ↗ down below I think that there's some

2:39:39 ↗ other vertical elements that probably

2:39:41 ↗ need to take place and I think the trees

2:39:43 ↗ do help Amy mentioned that there's a 13t

2:39:46 ↗ retaining wall up by the uh fields to

2:39:48 ↗ the east of the building and we've

2:39:49 ↗ talked with the design team and the

2:39:51 ↗ landscape architect about uh putting a

2:39:55 ↗ wire grid and and wire on there to

2:39:57 ↗ basically make that a green wall I think

2:39:59 ↗ that that's along the lines of a trellis

2:40:02 ↗ and there may be some continuity and

2:40:03 ↗ design and Landscape features between

2:40:05 ↗ what goes on the wall and what might

2:40:07 ↗ happen on on the blank wall that that we

2:40:10 ↗ will look at addressing those concerns

2:40:12 ↗ thank you thank you I have a just just a

2:40:16 ↗ quick technical question for staff uh in

2:40:18 ↗ the staff report I don't remember

2:40:19 ↗ remember what page it's on but you're

2:40:20 ↗ talking about and you mentioned in your

2:40:22 ↗ report or your presentation this evening

2:40:25 ↗ about the building is over height for

2:40:28 ↗ the what's currently allowed in the zone

2:40:30 ↗ and because it's on a property adjacent

2:40:32 ↗ to a non-conforming condition which you

2:40:34 ↗ refer to the high school being

2:40:35 ↗ non-conforming that you could also

2:40:36 ↗ create another non-conforming condition

2:40:39 ↗ that is replicated on this property and

2:40:41 ↗ if I remember when we did the high

2:40:42 ↗ school I think we did an adjustment of

2:40:44 ↗ standards for the high school so I don't

2:40:46 ↗ know it's technically a non-conforming

2:40:47 ↗ building so I'm wondering how you got

2:40:49 ↗ there I'm struggling a little bit

2:40:51 ↗ understanding the

2:40:52 ↗ technical connection that you're using a

2:40:54 ↗ non-conforming condition for actually

2:40:57 ↗ and re that same Clause was used for the

2:40:59 ↗ high school and and basically what that

2:41:01 ↗ Clause is and it only applies to

2:41:03 ↗ community facilities like schools or

2:41:06 ↗ city buildings um but yeah it allows you

2:41:09 ↗ to expand an existing non-conformity if

2:41:12 ↗ it shows that there's going to be public

2:41:14 ↗ benefit to do that and with the high

2:41:17 ↗ school similarly the existing High

2:41:19 ↗ school that was there before was

2:41:21 ↗ exceeding the 30 foot height of the

2:41:24 ↗ single family Suburban zone so they were

2:41:26 ↗ expanding a non-conformity then this is

2:41:30 ↗ on the same lot it's again expanding to

2:41:33 ↗ non-conformity okay and and I I also

2:41:36 ↗ noted that that we tried to pull the

2:41:38 ↗ building back from Evan Street too to

2:41:39 ↗ make sure that we didn't have something

2:41:41 ↗ towering over the top of the

2:41:42 ↗ neighborhood

2:41:43 ↗ so

2:41:46 ↗ um I want to go to

2:41:49 ↗ a different topic area and that's kind

2:41:51 ↗ of construction impacts and mitigation y

2:41:54 ↗ um particularly related to what's going

2:41:56 ↗ on on Evans Street so um a couple of

2:42:01 ↗ things that I noticed one is uh or heard

2:42:05 ↗ that construction access is going to be

2:42:07 ↗ from Evans Street we're not coming in

2:42:09 ↗ through the school property as it exists

2:42:11 ↗ now so we're going to be bringing in all

2:42:13 ↗ of the equipment materials staff Etc and

2:42:17 ↗ I'm just wondering what are we doing to

2:42:18 ↗ mitigate impacts here right it it

2:42:20 ↗ actually I I misspoke it the

2:42:22 ↗ construction access

2:42:24 ↗ um would also be coming in from the

2:42:27 ↗ Clark entrance the existing Clark

2:42:29 ↗ entrance as well um sorry I get back to

2:42:33 ↗ that so through that current main entry

2:42:37 ↗ of Clark as well will be additional as

2:42:40 ↗ well or as well yes so both both off

2:42:43 ↗ evens and Main entry right well not the

2:42:46 ↗ main entry to Clark right main entry to

2:42:48 ↗ Clark right

2:42:49 ↗ so can I

2:42:51 ↗ um maybe Mr Crawford can answer this as

2:42:54 ↗ far as trying to manage impacts because

2:42:57 ↗ obviously the contractor can make

2:42:58 ↗ choices about where they're going to

2:42:59 ↗ stage and and Etc are there going to be

2:43:01 ↗ conditions that you're going to put into

2:43:03 ↗ the contracts here that are going to try

2:43:05 ↗ to do some work to mitigate some of

2:43:08 ↗ those potential impacts by um directing

2:43:10 ↗ the contractor to operate a certain

2:43:12 ↗ way one of the real advantages we have

2:43:15 ↗ on this project is that we went to the

2:43:18 ↗ capital

2:43:19 ↗ facilities

2:43:22 ↗ um project advisory review board and we

2:43:26 ↗ approved to use general contractor

2:43:28 ↗ construction management for this project

2:43:31 ↗ so we have

2:43:32 ↗ Cornerstone uh selected and as a part of

2:43:35 ↗ the team uh they were the architect I

2:43:38 ↗ not the Architects but they were the

2:43:39 ↗ contractors for the esam high school and

2:43:42 ↗ they're on board so we have been

2:43:44 ↗ discussing throughout the course of the

2:43:46 ↗ development of the project how we're

2:43:48 ↗ going to stage to work how they're going

2:43:49 ↗ to access and and such so um the area

2:43:54 ↗ that's down in here was going to be

2:43:55 ↗ created to allow for additional parking

2:43:58 ↗ and staging the contractor will be using

2:44:00 ↗ the area for this in this area of the

2:44:03 ↗ parking uh for construction staging for

2:44:07 ↗ the initial construction of the element

2:44:09 ↗ of the Middle School they'll also be

2:44:11 ↗ using this area in the front here so

2:44:14 ↗ access is intended to be at the Clark

2:44:17 ↗ entrance into these zones

2:44:19 ↗ and Evans into the area back around to

2:44:23 ↗ the east south and north of the

2:44:26 ↗ building can you give us a is it 5050 I

2:44:30 ↗ mean what's to the folks living on on

2:44:33 ↗ Evans who will be impacted by that is it

2:44:35 ↗ going to be most the heavy equipment

2:44:36 ↗ comes in one way and the staff uh

2:44:39 ↗ construction staff private Vehicles go

2:44:42 ↗ in another what what's I don't know that

2:44:44 ↗ it's 50/50 there's probably a little

2:44:46 ↗ higher percentage of of construction

2:44:48 ↗ activi it's coming in here uh the

2:44:50 ↗ reality is there's probably some traffic

2:44:52 ↗ that's going to come in at the traffic

2:44:54 ↗ light uh in off peak school hours uh in

2:44:57 ↗ the middle of the day and things like

2:44:59 ↗ that during the construction of the

2:45:00 ↗ building here so it's it's going to get

2:45:03 ↗ split up and kind

2:45:06 ↗ of distributed as between the the

2:45:09 ↗ different areas depending on on what

2:45:11 ↗ type of materials uh there's access from

2:45:15 ↗ uh the Clark entrance through here to to

2:45:17 ↗ gain access into here

2:45:19 ↗ um some of the access into the Courtyard

2:45:22 ↗ area depend on what what phases of the

2:45:25 ↗ work they're working on whether they're

2:45:26 ↗ trying to set steel and need a crane and

2:45:29 ↗ whether they're pumping concrete or

2:45:31 ↗ working inside the

2:45:33 ↗ building this U probably out of scope

2:45:37 ↗ for this but I I just sensitivity to the

2:45:40 ↗ residential neighborhoods when you do a

2:45:41 ↗ large project like this is

2:45:45 ↗ important I don't have any other

2:45:47 ↗ questions on that

2:45:51 ↗ any other

2:45:53 ↗ gentlemen before we go ahead I have a

2:45:55 ↗ couple questions um this I think for Amy

2:45:59 ↗ um on the design

2:46:02 ↗ standards it's on page

2:46:07 ↗ 16

2:46:10 ↗ um in the second paragraph paragraph I

2:46:14 ↗ guess it is under the library's East

2:46:16 ↗ Elevation the middle says the corner of

2:46:18 ↗ the school which consists of the library

2:46:20 ↗ and the administrative offices on the

2:46:22 ↗ ground floor should be designed so that

2:46:23 ↗ when viewed at the corner the

2:46:26 ↗ two it looks like it starts another

2:46:28 ↗ sentence and I'm trying to figure out

2:46:30 ↗ what

2:46:31 ↗ the do what they would do yeah so um

2:46:35 ↗ this is now designer speak right um if

2:46:39 ↗ you actually look at the um uh

2:46:43 ↗ fenestration on the um um main or the

2:46:48 ↗ South elevation for the library and the

2:46:53 ↗ um

2:46:55 ↗ Administration um and you know this if

2:46:57 ↗ you notice the rhythm of the um windows

2:47:01 ↗ it's not replicated on the um when you

2:47:04 ↗ turn the corner and so um I'm

2:47:07 ↗ recommending that to um reinforce the

2:47:11 ↗ Integrity of the spaces within um in the

2:47:14 ↗ exterior because that's the same space

2:47:17 ↗ to be treated the same way on the

2:47:21 ↗ exterior does that make sense so the

2:47:24 ↗ what should the sentence read

2:47:28 ↗ then second sentence down

2:47:35 ↗ should two intersecting exterior walls

2:47:38 ↗ were perceived as two sides of the same

2:47:40 ↗ box oh so that just added a sentence in

2:47:45 ↗ there or something and yeah and I

2:47:48 ↗ apologize

2:47:49 ↗ so Lucy just U pointed out to me that

2:47:52 ↗ there's an error in the staff report was

2:47:54 ↗ that one sense that that ended up

2:47:56 ↗ inserted there so as as said would be

2:47:58 ↗ the two intersecting exterior walls

2:48:00 ↗ would be a perceived a two side okay

2:48:02 ↗ exctly exactly thank you probably the

2:48:04 ↗ with the recessed entry will be extended

2:48:06 ↗ to match to

2:48:08 ↗ scen thank

2:48:11 ↗ you um and then I guess the other

2:48:13 ↗ question was the will the traffic study

2:48:16 ↗ be completed before the city council

2:48:18 ↗ take action on this the traffic the

2:48:22 ↗ traffic study

2:48:24 ↗ um schedule wise yes the traffic study

2:48:27 ↗ will be completed um as far as whether

2:48:31 ↗ all the mitigation will be identified um

2:48:34 ↗ we don't know because we we have uh we

2:48:37 ↗ haven't seen what the traffic impact

2:48:39 ↗ analysis is going to say I say so it

2:48:42 ↗ would be up to the council to decide if

2:48:44 ↗ they want to approve this not knowing

2:48:48 ↗ exactly mitigation might be yeah and let

2:48:51 ↗ me let me expand on uh commissioner

2:48:53 ↗ Morgan's question on that because I

2:48:56 ↗ thought I think it was a very uh

2:48:57 ↗ relevant point that was brought up by

2:48:59 ↗ one of the members of the public that

2:49:01 ↗ spoke uh could could staff please uh

2:49:05 ↗ explain to the public how it is that the

2:49:08 ↗ development commission can be asked to

2:49:10 ↗ approve a project when the sea hasn't

2:49:13 ↗ been completed traffic mitigations have

2:49:15 ↗ not been identified and so on what what

2:49:18 ↗ the process is to provide that

2:49:20 ↗ information to the city council when the

2:49:24 ↗ development commission uh has to make a

2:49:27 ↗ decision to refer or not without that

2:49:30 ↗ information I think it's really

2:49:32 ↗ important that that there be very clear

2:49:35 ↗ process definition

2:49:39 ↗ here yeah as you know you're you're

2:49:42 ↗ you're making a recommendation to the

2:49:43 ↗ city council and they're the ultimate

2:49:45 ↗ decision makers on the master site plan

2:49:47 ↗ the site development permission

2:49:49 ↗ and what is unique about this uh as we

2:49:51 ↗ mentioned earlier is that the the school

2:49:53 ↗ district is is the lead on issuing the

2:49:56 ↗ sea determination and that's a little

2:49:58 ↗ different because normally as Amy

2:49:59 ↗ mentioned the city's doing it I think

2:50:02 ↗ the reason that that hasn't been done

2:50:04 ↗ already um it's kind of a chicken and

2:50:07 ↗ egg situation where I don't think they

2:50:09 ↗ wanted to because of this real condensed

2:50:12 ↗ time frame that we're all trying to meet

2:50:14 ↗ in order to meet the time schedule of

2:50:17 ↗ the school district I think one of the

2:50:18 ↗ things they didn't want to do is uh

2:50:20 ↗ issue a SE determination and then we

2:50:23 ↗ have this meeting and then that they

2:50:25 ↗ have to either revise the sea

2:50:27 ↗ determination or uh you know reissue a

2:50:30 ↗ new determination so in order to just do

2:50:33 ↗ it once uh they wanted to wait until

2:50:35 ↗ after we had this meeting so that that

2:50:37 ↗ determination should be issued before

2:50:40 ↗ the city council meeting though and at

2:50:42 ↗ that point yes the city council can

2:50:44 ↗ decide whether the mitigation that's in

2:50:46 ↗ that determination is adequate for them

2:50:48 ↗ to make a decision or

2:50:50 ↗ not any further

2:50:53 ↗ questions yeah yeah just a basic one uh

2:50:56 ↗ have you guys thought about energy uh

2:50:59 ↗ other than just the regular um uh HVAC

2:51:03 ↗ and and heating and lighting have you

2:51:05 ↗ thought about like know solar panels or

2:51:09 ↗ something that uh that the green

2:51:11 ↗ society's

2:51:14 ↗ pushing or are we so rich that we don't

2:51:17 ↗ have to think about things like like

2:51:18 ↗ that no we've looked at all kinds of

2:51:20 ↗ different Alternatives and we've been

2:51:22 ↗ pretty creative in some things uh We've

2:51:24 ↗ even looked at pretty extensive

2:51:26 ↗ photovoltaic arrays uh to the point

2:51:29 ↗ where the county decided that they'd

2:51:31 ↗ have to permit as a power plant and kind

2:51:33 ↗ of kill the project um as far as

2:51:36 ↗ individual buildings go we are looking

2:51:38 ↗ at high performance buildings all of the

2:51:39 ↗ buildings comply or exceed with the

2:51:41 ↗ standards set by the Washington

2:51:43 ↗ sustainable schools

2:51:45 ↗ protocol uh since about the year 2000 in

2:51:48 ↗ the districts added about 33% to square

2:51:52 ↗ footage of building inventory and our

2:51:55 ↗ BTU consumption is basically the same as

2:51:58 ↗ it was at that point in time so we've

2:52:00 ↗ been building energy efficient buildings

2:52:03 ↗ there's a lot of strategies that are

2:52:05 ↗ Incorporated in this building I think

2:52:06 ↗ David could

2:52:07 ↗ probably talk about those sure um I

2:52:11 ↗ mentioned um daylighting generally with

2:52:15 ↗ photovoltaics um we are we're always

2:52:17 ↗ looking at uh life cycle cost uh

2:52:19 ↗ paybacks particularly when um think

2:52:22 ↗ considering spending the taxpayers money

2:52:24 ↗ um and phot tax really for school

2:52:27 ↗ districts unless there are significant

2:52:29 ↗ incentives um really have a difficult

2:52:32 ↗ time uh penciling out as a payback even

2:52:35 ↗ today um so we're looking there's a lot

2:52:37 ↗ better use of those dollars that could

2:52:39 ↗ be used to buy phal TS to put into more

2:52:42 ↗ efficient systems and envelopes and

2:52:44 ↗ windows that all have uh uh a big bang

2:52:48 ↗ for your buck um to put in so many words

2:52:51 ↗ so we have a um to start with a very

2:52:53 ↗ tight building envelope um a completely

2:52:56 ↗ exterior uh building

2:52:58 ↗ insulation um fiberglass windows that um

2:53:02 ↗ so getting away from the aluminum

2:53:04 ↗ windows going into fiberglass all of

2:53:05 ↗ which really reduce the heat con

2:53:07 ↗ connectivity through the thermal

2:53:08 ↗ envelope which is where we're really

2:53:10 ↗ trying to to say reduce our Heating and

2:53:13 ↗ ventilation cost um very high efficient

2:53:15 ↗ heating ventilation equipment through

2:53:17 ↗ heat recovery um

2:53:19 ↗ systems um we have uh uh LED lighting

2:53:23 ↗ throughout the school um and so from an

2:53:26 ↗ Energy Efficiency point of view we're

2:53:29 ↗ really pushing kind of the the limits of

2:53:32 ↗ uh reductions um without generating new

2:53:35 ↗ energy on on the on site which photo

2:53:39 ↗ aics or some other um Source would would

2:53:42 ↗ provide yeah the other thing is um I

2:53:45 ↗ noticed you don't have elevator in the

2:53:47 ↗ building we do yes

2:53:50 ↗ yeah

2:53:58 ↗ um so the elevator is right

2:54:06 ↗ there okay in

2:54:09 ↗ there are there any other questions for

2:54:14 ↗ clarification all right now the next

2:54:17 ↗ process that we go through and

2:54:19 ↗ we are modifying the process we're also

2:54:23 ↗ familiarizing ourselves with this

2:54:25 ↗ because the development commission has

2:54:26 ↗ not had a lot of meetings lately so

2:54:28 ↗ let's be real clear on the process here

2:54:31 ↗ uh this for the members of the public

2:54:33 ↗ this is called a Green Sheet this

2:54:35 ↗ contains uh a number of uh checklist

2:54:39 ↗ items to determine whether or not the

2:54:41 ↗ application is compliant with the city

2:54:43 ↗ codes so the commission needs to go

2:54:46 ↗ through this uh uh Green Sheet uh for a

2:54:51 ↗ number of different items uh and the

2:54:54 ↗ commission can also suggest uh

2:54:58 ↗ conditions additional conditions that

2:55:00 ↗ are part of our final

2:55:02 ↗ vote so with that

2:55:06 ↗ said

2:55:09 ↗ um we will start going through the three

2:55:14 ↗ sheet any Commissioners have any

2:55:16 ↗ reservations suggestions on the process

2:55:18 ↗ that we use before we start this just

2:55:20 ↗ that deviate from the way we did green

2:55:23 ↗ sheets

2:55:25 ↗ before which is to just now now there

2:55:27 ↗ are uh you know there are a number there

2:55:31 ↗ are a number of pages here uh each one

2:55:34 ↗ of which carries a

2:55:37 ↗ significant uh amount of ver verbage in

2:55:40 ↗ each category so rather than reading

2:55:44 ↗ these uh verbatim each one of them do

2:55:48 ↗ you want it would it be acceptable to

2:55:50 ↗ the commission to just identify the

2:55:53 ↗ category of the vote and then if any

2:55:57 ↗ individual commissioner has uh something

2:56:00 ↗ that you want to suggest as a condition

2:56:02 ↗ relevant to that category you can do it

2:56:05 ↗ then and we'll just go through it that

2:56:07 ↗ way I don't want to emphasize expedience

2:56:10 ↗ at the at the uh at the expense of

2:56:14 ↗ accuracy here so and they and as I

2:56:17 ↗ understand the so Amy has gone through

2:56:19 ↗ staff has gone through and already

2:56:20 ↗ provided our answers to all these and

2:56:23 ↗ for acceptable with their conclusions

2:56:26 ↗ right so I I might just suggest

2:56:30 ↗ that if I may um rather than looking at

2:56:34 ↗ the empty green sheets you might want to

2:56:36 ↗ look at the staff report where Amy has

2:56:39 ↗ filled it out because then you can see

2:56:41 ↗ where there's been a condition

2:56:43 ↗ recommended or a comment inserted and

2:56:47 ↗ and then you know know if you have

2:56:48 ↗ something to add on top of

2:57:06 ↗ that we're talking about page 76 of uh

2:57:09 ↗ the green sheet with the recommendations

2:57:11 ↗ it's page 76 of 2011

2:57:22 ↗ right up

2:57:26 ↗ 2011 it starts at and Amy was this one

2:57:29 ↗ more

2:57:31 ↗ condition

2:57:42 ↗ was is that a replacement for one of the

2:57:44 ↗ conditions or an addition a replacement

2:57:46 ↗ okay great

2:57:49 ↗ I think she's got an extra excuse me do

2:57:51 ↗ you have an extra copy

2:57:57 ↗ say sure how much you

2:58:00 ↗ go it for

2:58:03 ↗ you that's fre this

2:58:26 ↗ all

2:58:35 ↗ right okay

2:58:39 ↗ um so the first subject is building

2:58:44 ↗ location building locations and there

2:58:46 ↗ I'll read the the primary one the

2:58:48 ↗ building locations and their orientation

2:58:50 ↗ to one another provide for pedestrian SL

2:58:53 ↗ people areas such as Courtyards plazas

2:58:55 ↗ pocket Parks

2:58:58 ↗ Etc and Mr Trad say I'm I'm fine if you

2:59:00 ↗ just read the headings for these as we

2:59:02 ↗ go through because they do tend to get

2:59:03 ↗ longer yeah that's all I'm going to do

2:59:04 ↗ I'm not no not even the teex but just

2:59:06 ↗ the just the site layout and overall

2:59:08 ↗ Design Concepts all right yeah that's

2:59:10 ↗ right conditions of

2:59:12 ↗ approval I'm fine

2:59:14 ↗ with building location I'm fine

2:59:16 ↗ acceptable acceptable acceptable

2:59:18 ↗ acceptable all right energy efficient

2:59:22 ↗ design

2:59:24 ↗ acceptable

2:59:26 ↗ acceptable uh functional site

2:59:34 ↗ designable all right uh

2:59:43 ↗ lighting well since think it says the

2:59:46 ↗ update lighting plan's not been amended

2:59:48 ↗ yet

2:59:49 ↗ so under a condition

2:59:53 ↗ AC acceptable with the conditions

2:59:57 ↗ right uh five natural setting

3:00:01 ↗ views acceptable

3:00:05 ↗ y

3:00:08 ↗ uh six existing vegetation tography

3:00:12 ↗ features I'm sorry there said be

3:00:14 ↗ Hillside design and primary reviews

3:00:18 ↗ got natural setting is

3:00:20 ↗ five A and B and five and number six is

3:00:26 ↗ the different categories 5 a and 5B yeah

3:00:28 ↗ all right 5A is Hillside design yeah not

3:00:31 ↗ applicable was there a

3:00:40 ↗ condition that was a recommendation by

3:00:42 ↗ the city as a condition right yes so so

3:00:46 ↗ we're accepting that

3:00:49 ↗ that

3:00:53 ↗ accept the conditions of approval have

3:00:55 ↗ been defined by by the city with regard

3:00:59 ↗ to that

3:01:03 ↗ that's right yes right right that's

3:01:06 ↗ correct and there the condition that

3:01:07 ↗ you're referring to is coming up um in

3:01:09 ↗ another section on ground level blank

3:01:12 ↗ walls okay so

3:01:15 ↗ 5A is acceptable

3:01:18 ↗ not applicable not

3:01:22 ↗ applicable all right 5B primary views

3:01:26 ↗ acceptable

3:01:28 ↗ acceptable uh six existing vegetation

3:01:31 ↗ topography

3:01:33 ↗ features I suggest one change finding

3:01:36 ↗ the fact that we change it to

3:01:37 ↗ development commission from design

3:01:41 ↗ commission I you I think that's what

3:01:45 ↗ we're called

3:01:51 ↗ got be one or the other as long as you

3:01:52 ↗ don't cut our

3:01:54 ↗ pay all volunteers for

3:01:57 ↗ those right uh all right six existing

3:02:02 ↗ vegetation

3:02:05 ↗ acceptable

3:02:07 ↗ acceptable seven historical cultural

3:02:09 ↗ landmarks I believe that's NA not

3:02:14 ↗ applicable

3:02:16 ↗ uh seven the design uh landscape design

3:02:20 ↗ and use of plant

3:02:26 ↗ materials got a list of a condition the

3:02:29 ↗ number one Design Elements there's

3:02:46 ↗ condition acceptable on one with

3:02:50 ↗ conditions

3:02:52 ↗ acceptable acceptable on

3:02:55 ↗ One Design

3:02:57 ↗ Unity acceptable on

3:03:01 ↗ two that's

3:03:08 ↗ um and three is enhanced designable

3:03:23 ↗ uh acceptable on that

3:03:29 ↗ too okay

3:03:30 ↗ [Music]

3:03:35 ↗ A B is oh that's acceptable all the way

3:03:39 ↗ through right yeah yeah right so we'll

3:03:40 ↗ go to four usable open space

3:03:46 ↗ designable uh

3:03:52 ↗ yep five is plant

3:03:58 ↗ materials acceptable the information

3:04:01 ↗ that we have which isn't a

3:04:06 ↗ lot uh appearance and

3:04:09 ↗ maintenance

3:04:11 ↗ acceptable noxious or destructive is

3:04:15 ↗ accept acceptable

3:04:18 ↗ and safety is I believe they've also

3:04:20 ↗ addressed that acceptable acceptable

3:04:23 ↗ right uh C is design Harmony and

3:04:27 ↗ compatibility can can I um excuse me in

3:04:31 ↗ back up

3:04:32 ↗ um there was there were comments uh made

3:04:36 ↗ on on dealing with noxious and

3:04:39 ↗ destructive planning materials yep uh

3:04:42 ↗ earlier and about kind of the selection

3:04:46 ↗ of materials that are used used ground

3:04:48 ↗ cover Etc that minimize the possibility

3:04:52 ↗ of

3:04:54 ↗ um noxious invasive plant species taking

3:04:58 ↗ hold I I think that's a good point and

3:05:01 ↗ part of that's maintenance but part of

3:05:02 ↗ that's design and installation so I

3:05:05 ↗ think that uh when they're doesn't

3:05:09 ↗ specifically say that it says don't use

3:05:11 ↗ those materials the other thing you want

3:05:13 ↗ to do is prevent them from taking hold

3:05:14 ↗ so I think we should be a little

3:05:16 ↗ stronger in our statement on this

3:05:19 ↗ particular um section and maybe just add

3:05:24 ↗ a condition or statement okay

3:05:29 ↗ um and I'll how about uh uh we G to make

3:05:34 ↗ add the condition additional conditions

3:05:35 ↗ with motions later we're going to just

3:05:38 ↗ put them in now and then vote on them

3:05:39 ↗ later how we gonna uh I I just for the

3:05:43 ↗ sake of clarity I I think it might be

3:05:47 ↗ easier for for us

3:05:48 ↗ to have the conditions in later and read

3:05:52 ↗ read through them but I don't have a

3:05:54 ↗ problem with doing them now and and

3:05:56 ↗ voting on them uh later on in Mass we

3:06:00 ↗ finish with the or would you like staff

3:06:01 ↗ to be drafting something while you're

3:06:03 ↗ going through the rest of this and then

3:06:05 ↗ you can come back and look at it at the

3:06:06 ↗ end certainly that would be helpful and

3:06:08 ↗ so I roughly wanted to say something to

3:06:11 ↗ the fact of provide ground cover and

3:06:13 ↗ Landscaping landscape plantings of

3:06:15 ↗ adequate depth and density minimize the

3:06:18 ↗ growth of noxious or invasive

3:06:21 ↗ species for all for all ground

3:06:23 ↗ disturbing for all ground yes for all

3:06:25 ↗ Disturbed

3:06:26 ↗ areas so that we're coming in

3:06:29 ↗ and ensuring that we don't don't leave

3:06:32 ↗ bear ground Expose and walk away

3:06:37 ↗ right uh Lucy did you get enough want to

3:06:40 ↗ do that again um uh if you could go to

3:06:44 ↗ the if you remember what you said it

3:06:45 ↗ would be great if you repeated it

3:06:47 ↗ provide ground cover and Landscape

3:06:50 ↗ plantings of adequate depth and

3:06:54 ↗ density minimize growth of noxious or

3:06:57 ↗ invasive

3:06:58 ↗ species okay thank

3:07:02 ↗ you don't think we can eliminate it but

3:07:04 ↗ we can

3:07:05 ↗ try oh

3:07:08 ↗ my okay um say the next category is

3:07:13 ↗ design Harmony and compatibility

3:07:17 ↗ uh number category number one is

3:07:19 ↗ accessory

3:07:22 ↗ structures

3:07:25 ↗ acceptable so all right so that is an

3:07:28 ↗ acceptable uh category two is building

3:07:31 ↗ materials and

3:07:36 ↗ components

3:07:41 ↗ acceptable durability and

3:07:44 ↗ maintenance acceptable

3:07:52 ↗ compatibility acceptable acceptable

3:07:55 ↗ believe

3:07:57 ↗ so

3:07:59 ↗ acceptable it's

3:08:06 ↗ acceptable I'm looking now at uh under

3:08:09 ↗ compatibility I'm looking at uh noise uh

3:08:12 ↗ and there's a flat statement there that

3:08:15 ↗ noise impacts from school buses using EV

3:08:17 ↗ Street in the morning and afternoon

3:08:19 ↗ should be

3:08:21 ↗ negligible single family residen has

3:08:24 ↗ turn their backs on Evan Street one of

3:08:26 ↗ the main vehicular routes to access the

3:08:27 ↗ Middle

3:08:28 ↗ School

3:08:30 ↗ um and then there's another section uh

3:08:33 ↗ the of the same uh topic the isqua

3:08:37 ↗ Sportsman's Club gunfire noise can often

3:08:39 ↗ be heard during school hours however the

3:08:40 ↗ classroom Wing is buffered so I'm

3:08:44 ↗ personally I hope that's right but I

3:08:47 ↗ think the the wording of it if if in

3:08:49 ↗ fact the wording is carried through if

3:08:50 ↗ it is negligible it's acceptable but

3:08:54 ↗ it's you

3:08:55 ↗ know I don't know of any

3:08:58 ↗ documented evidence of decibel rates or

3:09:01 ↗ anything like that that would give us

3:09:02 ↗ factual basis for for determining

3:09:04 ↗ whether it's acceptable or not so my

3:09:08 ↗ recommendation is we go with it

3:09:10 ↗ but sure hope that there

3:09:13 ↗ is accuracy in that yeah I get your

3:09:15 ↗ point there I mean they tried to design

3:09:17 ↗ building in a way to Min mitigate the

3:09:19 ↗ impact on quiet areas in it like the

3:09:23 ↗ classrooms but uh unless

3:09:26 ↗ the the frequency of the shots going off

3:09:29 ↗ at the Sportsman's Club is in tune with

3:09:32 ↗ the B the band I don't know

3:09:34 ↗ that well I will I will point out one

3:09:36 ↗ other thing too there was there was some

3:09:38 ↗ discussion on the part of the uh

3:09:40 ↗ Sportsman's Club representative and also

3:09:42 ↗ in the documentation that staff provided

3:09:44 ↗ that the uh Sportsman's Club which I use

3:09:48 ↗ by the way uh is is uh is in the process

3:09:52 ↗ a continuing process of doing noise

3:09:54 ↗ mitigation efforts there I would point

3:09:56 ↗ out that there are some pretty

3:09:58 ↗ significant studies that I'm aware of

3:09:59 ↗ just from Reading uh popular media that

3:10:03 ↗ uh noise walls particularly when they're

3:10:06 ↗ they've been constructed along side in

3:10:08 ↗ interstates usually as a result of

3:10:10 ↗ litigation to mitigate the noise impact

3:10:13 ↗ on properties next to uh interstates and

3:10:16 ↗ high high traffic lives uh actually have

3:10:19 ↗ the effect of uh mitigating the impact

3:10:22 ↗ of the noise in the immediate areas but

3:10:25 ↗ if the source of the noise is below any

3:10:29 ↗ other uh occupied areas the walls in

3:10:32 ↗ question actually just deflect the noise

3:10:35 ↗ upward so uh people who live on tiger

3:10:38 ↗ and and squawk Mountain if there are

3:10:41 ↗ noise walls built there will hear more

3:10:44 ↗ of the gun range which I do all day long

3:10:46 ↗ and it's fine with me but but we

3:10:48 ↗ shouldn't be under any Illusions about

3:10:50 ↗ where the noise goes when it's

3:10:52 ↗ redirected by a a noise

3:10:55 ↗ wall um uh

3:11:02 ↗ lighting

3:11:04 ↗ acceptable okay uh design category four

3:11:07 ↗ design components

3:11:10 ↗ colors fact

3:11:13 ↗ okay uh see color uh C is facade

3:11:20 ↗ finding effect modulation

3:11:23 ↗ modulation oh I did I'm sorry modulation

3:11:26 ↗ that's

3:11:28 ↗ acceptable with the it'll come up again

3:11:31 ↗ I guess in blank walls

3:11:34 ↗ so um C is

3:11:38 ↗ facade St findings a factor

3:11:41 ↗ included same is we're going to get to

3:11:44 ↗ the facade or the wall facade condition

3:11:53 ↗ here so it's acceptable based on based

3:11:56 ↗ on getting to it moving

3:11:59 ↗ on all right d uh ground

3:12:03 ↗ level staff findings a

3:12:06 ↗ fact I'm going to propose that we add

3:12:09 ↗ some language

3:12:11 ↗ there the on the condition C5

3:12:20 ↗ right May it's as simple as

3:12:24 ↗ saying building design shall incorporate

3:12:27 ↗ architectural

3:12:29 ↗ treatments

3:12:30 ↗ acceptable or approved by the city

3:12:34 ↗ council to mitigate the blank walls and

3:12:36 ↗ all

3:12:37 ↗ facades they don't think we're can come

3:12:40 ↗ up

3:12:41 ↗ with dur in our hearing I don't think

3:12:43 ↗ we're going to come up with something

3:12:44 ↗ that we think is the right thing to do

3:12:47 ↗ do I know they it's something they're

3:12:49 ↗ working on I'd rather that when city

3:12:52 ↗ council approves this that it's they're

3:12:55 ↗ also approving the changes to those

3:12:57 ↗ walls and not just leaving that open

3:12:59 ↗ does that make sense yes so I'm sorry

3:13:02 ↗ were you suggesting added language in

3:13:04 ↗ the italicized part of

3:13:06 ↗ C5 yes and I missed where where that was

3:13:09 ↗ was the let's see if it works this way

3:13:11 ↗ the building design shall incorporate

3:13:14 ↗ architectural treatments approve

3:13:17 ↗ by city

3:13:19 ↗ council mitigate the blank walls on all

3:13:22 ↗ facades yeah

3:13:24 ↗ okay y good good thank

3:13:29 ↗ you okay

3:13:32 ↗ uh going through lots of finan fact here

3:13:36 ↗ well can I just uh comment on on that

3:13:39 ↗ we're gonna talk about I'm just it's

3:13:41 ↗ it's

3:13:43 ↗ um interesting to call out a single

3:13:45 ↗ element of a building to have a city

3:13:47 ↗ council approve the design of an element

3:13:49 ↗ of a building fize some on staff I think

3:13:52 ↗ we need to get some direction on that um

3:13:54 ↗ I just going to put the council in a

3:13:56 ↗ little bit of an awkward spot

3:13:59 ↗ possibly that condition is something

3:14:01 ↗ they'll deal with we want to punt it if

3:14:03 ↗ we want to punt it to the council and

3:14:05 ↗ they're going to be the final decision

3:14:06 ↗ maker on an architectural element of a

3:14:08 ↗ building then that's what we're asking

3:14:09 ↗ them to do well I guess my feeling is if

3:14:12 ↗ we had time to have them come up with a

3:14:15 ↗ different design and come back to us and

3:14:16 ↗ we said yes we think that's fine we'll

3:14:19 ↗ recommend

3:14:20 ↗ approval in the interest of

3:14:23 ↗ time how about the as recommended by the

3:14:26 ↗ staff and approved by the

3:14:28 ↗ council I'm assuming it'll be

3:14:30 ↗ recommended by staff shall

3:14:33 ↗ incorporate the the bind we find oursel

3:14:35 ↗ in I believe is that we have a a major

3:14:39 ↗ issue that comes up with everything that

3:14:41 ↗ the development commission almost every

3:14:43 ↗ every uh application that the

3:14:45 ↗ development Commission which is plank

3:14:47 ↗ walls and how how to address them and

3:14:50 ↗ yet we don't uh we have findings of fact

3:14:54 ↗ that make a couple of

3:14:56 ↗ recommendations but we're not in a

3:14:58 ↗ position to say well yes or no partly

3:15:02 ↗ it's the kind of the change in process

3:15:03 ↗ we typically had an opportunity in the

3:15:05 ↗ early design development to weigh in and

3:15:07 ↗ then they came back after they had done

3:15:09 ↗ more detailed design work architectural

3:15:13 ↗ work and then we would you know say

3:15:16 ↗ where they hit the or not and now this

3:15:18 ↗ is pretty much one shot and pass it on

3:15:21 ↗ to the council so they're final they're

3:15:24 ↗ the decision maker so

3:15:26 ↗ I ask them to well would Mel

3:15:30 ↗ commissioner would you see this as a

3:15:33 ↗ again in the recognition of what

3:15:34 ↗ commissioner Brennan just mentioned

3:15:36 ↗ which is we're we're morphing into a new

3:15:38 ↗ process would you see this as a

3:15:40 ↗ precedent uh setting uh thing that we do

3:15:44 ↗ with this and then we have the option of

3:15:45 ↗ doing it

3:15:48 ↗ uh

3:15:49 ↗ subsequent commission meetings when we

3:15:52 ↗ have to come to a final decision on

3:15:54 ↗ recommending or uh recommending with

3:15:56 ↗ conditions or not recommending but if

3:15:58 ↗ there's an area that the commission

3:16:00 ↗ doesn't feel we have sufficient uh

3:16:04 ↗ information make a decision at that

3:16:06 ↗ point we

3:16:07 ↗ say this is up ultimately up to the city

3:16:09 ↗ council but we weren't able to address

3:16:11 ↗ this aspect of it yeah U because I think

3:16:14 ↗ when we've done when we've done a level

3:16:17 ↗ I guess it would be say a level three

3:16:19 ↗ review where we're the decision maker

3:16:22 ↗ sometimes in the past we've said we'll

3:16:24 ↗ do it um we'll leave it to a decision of

3:16:28 ↗ the chair that's acceptable to the chair

3:16:31 ↗ at a later time or acceptable to

3:16:35 ↗ staff but in this case I feel like not

3:16:39 ↗ that I don't trust staff but I think

3:16:40 ↗ it's a big enough issue that when the

3:16:43 ↗ city council actually votes on this it

3:16:45 ↗ should be pointed out they should have

3:16:47 ↗ this information in front of them not

3:16:49 ↗ just not just a condition that says you

3:16:52 ↗ should do something which really leaves

3:16:55 ↗ it up to staff a condition they should

3:16:57 ↗ have it ready to go for the council to

3:16:59 ↗ approve so could I just point out though

3:17:02 ↗ that that this isn't the final plan for

3:17:04 ↗ the building so I my my one concern is

3:17:09 ↗ that we're

3:17:11 ↗ putting um the applicant has presented

3:17:14 ↗ elevations which both staff and and the

3:17:17 ↗ commission have identified concerns with

3:17:20 ↗ there is um specific solutions that are

3:17:24 ↗ you know uh Authority that were granted

3:17:27 ↗ by the code in dealing with blank walls

3:17:30 ↗ we've identified that they have to do

3:17:32 ↗ that and and

3:17:35 ↗ so my two concerns one is that I don't

3:17:38 ↗ know whether we'll have final final

3:17:41 ↗ elevations by the time we go to council

3:17:43 ↗ which is what I'm hearing you're

3:17:45 ↗ suggesting we may we may be able

3:17:50 ↗ to revise them I just don't know that

3:17:53 ↗ you would have a final one that would

3:17:55 ↗ not you know it's not going to be at the

3:17:57 ↗ point where you used to see it where it

3:17:59 ↗ was ready to be the building permit was

3:18:01 ↗ basically ready for structural review so

3:18:04 ↗ I'm just concerned that that they the um

3:18:08 ↗ this isn't the final evolution of the

3:18:10 ↗ design development we don't have

3:18:11 ↗ construction drawings for instance but

3:18:14 ↗ Lucy are you saying that the city

3:18:16 ↗ council might not have it either by the

3:18:18 ↗ time they have to vote on this right

3:18:21 ↗ think think about seventh and Gilman I

3:18:24 ↗ mean you saw a um final concept for that

3:18:28 ↗ where you had concerns and we had

3:18:30 ↗ Authority we wrote um conditions that

3:18:33 ↗ identified what kinds of additional

3:18:35 ↗ treatments and actions were required but

3:18:38 ↗ you weren't seeing the final final

3:18:40 ↗ elevations we weren't right but but the

3:18:44 ↗ city council what what I think you the

3:18:46 ↗ decision maker on that one for instance

3:18:49 ↗ but in in this level of hearing I think

3:18:51 ↗ what what well I don't want to speak for

3:18:53 ↗ you Mr but it seems to I I'm again I'm

3:18:58 ↗ concerned about uh transparency of

3:19:01 ↗ process here uh and I really am

3:19:04 ↗ concerned about that and what I'm what I

3:19:07 ↗ don't what I want to avoid

3:19:10 ↗ is uh a misunderstanding about how

3:19:14 ↗ something as critical as as a a blank

3:19:18 ↗ wall that is cited specifically in our

3:19:23 ↗ responsibilities and your

3:19:24 ↗ responsibilities uh can get that far

3:19:28 ↗ down the process without a definition

3:19:31 ↗ that that the public can say well the

3:19:34 ↗ development commission at this level of

3:19:36 ↗ review somebody that follows it said

3:19:38 ↗ okay that's it and that's what ended up

3:19:41 ↗ or the city count the development

3:19:44 ↗ commission couldn't do that because they

3:19:46 ↗ didn't have you know the the information

3:19:49 ↗ they needed at that time under the new

3:19:52 ↗ process so therefore something that

3:19:54 ↗ important has to be or should be

3:19:58 ↗ approved if it's going to the city

3:20:00 ↗ council the city council should know

3:20:02 ↗ that the development commission couldn't

3:20:04 ↗ make a recommend basically couldn't make

3:20:06 ↗ a recommendation on that so you want I'm

3:20:10 ↗ just saying the press it might be

3:20:11 ↗ precedent

3:20:12 ↗ setting commissioner Brennan's concern

3:20:14 ↗ is about about a start to cherry pick

3:20:17 ↗ things out that we say no this is we're

3:20:19 ↗ going to leave this up to the city

3:20:21 ↗ council and I I agree with that I mean I

3:20:24 ↗ I don't think we should do that but I

3:20:26 ↗ also am kind

3:20:27 ↗ of struggling around here about how we

3:20:31 ↗ go from the old process where we did see

3:20:34 ↗ things twice to this process and the

3:20:38 ↗ things that we didn't don't have

3:20:40 ↗ information on now that we used to have

3:20:42 ↗ before we Hil the final vote I just it

3:20:45 ↗ it frankly I'm a little a little little

3:20:48 ↗ uncomfortable well I I think part of it

3:20:50 ↗ would be since we're just making a

3:20:52 ↗ recommendation to them

3:20:54 ↗ anyway they don't have to follow they

3:20:57 ↗ could just say I guess they could just

3:20:59 ↗ change it to say hey we're fine with

3:21:01 ↗ staff we certainly have preceden well

3:21:03 ↗ and and and that's a good that's a good

3:21:05 ↗ point Mel because potentially we could

3:21:09 ↗ have concept sketches that incorporate

3:21:12 ↗ these things and they may say we still

3:21:15 ↗ want you to keep working on this but

3:21:17 ↗ this is closer or these are perfectly

3:21:19 ↗ fine yeah and we're happy with it or

3:21:22 ↗ okay I I think Laro I just wanted to to

3:21:24 ↗ be to be more called

3:21:26 ↗ out that they took a good look at this

3:21:30 ↗ and well and if possible to have revised

3:21:32 ↗ elevations that they're actually yeah

3:21:35 ↗ seeing yeah okay that'd be great okay so

3:21:38 ↗ the wording I'm sorry commissioner B so

3:21:40 ↗ just just another comment this is a good

3:21:42 ↗ discussion and we're going to be here

3:21:43 ↗ forever tonight um the point here is is

3:21:46 ↗ what level of detail are is being

3:21:49 ↗ approved and how um specific is that in

3:21:53 ↗ the way of the future construction

3:21:55 ↗ meaning if we're saying well it's a

3:21:57 ↗ concept and all the colors the

3:21:59 ↗ elevations everything's going to change

3:22:01 ↗ maybe so what's the point so at some

3:22:03 ↗ point you have to say the elevation it

3:22:06 ↗ needs to be this exactly or close to it

3:22:08 ↗ or it's typical to what will end up

3:22:11 ↗ being constructed otherwise either at

3:22:13 ↗ our level or at the council whoever the

3:22:15 ↗ decision maker it's got to be you got to

3:22:16 ↗ be clear about what is the direction

3:22:20 ↗ that's being provided in the approval

3:22:22 ↗ and what you know what are the

3:22:24 ↗ parameters that they need to operate

3:22:26 ↗ within you don't do that it's you

3:22:29 ↗ know where's the value so well and and I

3:22:32 ↗ think you're bringing up a really

3:22:33 ↗ important point which is there is

3:22:36 ↗ definitely a line between

3:22:39 ↗ refining uh what has been before the

3:22:42 ↗ commission and in this case the council

3:22:44 ↗ and um what is such a significant change

3:22:48 ↗ that it needs to come back to the

3:22:49 ↗ commission and there is absolutely a

3:22:51 ↗ line between those two and I think this

3:22:53 ↗ is a case where if we were the decision

3:22:56 ↗ maker I think I would have voted no you

3:22:59 ↗ have to come back with an actual plan

3:23:00 ↗ showing us what it's going to look like

3:23:03 ↗ and that's I think that's what I point

3:23:04 ↗ out if I were the council I'd want to

3:23:07 ↗ say I feel good enough have enough

3:23:10 ↗ information to approve it or not okay

3:23:13 ↗ yeah agree so

3:23:16 ↗ give a do you want to do you want to

3:23:19 ↗ reread uh your wording of C5

3:23:23 ↗ C5 Lucy do you want to read what she had

3:23:25 ↗ there so can I can I make a friendly

3:23:27 ↗ Amendment sure uh how about if it said

3:23:30 ↗ the building design shall incorporate

3:23:32 ↗ architectural treatments revised and

3:23:35 ↗ presented to the council to mitigate the

3:23:38 ↗ uh blank walls on the facade so instead

3:23:41 ↗ of approved by the council the

3:23:43 ↗ applicants revising them and presenting

3:23:45 ↗ them to the council

3:23:47 ↗ and if they're approving it then it's

3:23:48 ↗ fine and if it's not

3:23:51 ↗ approved then we're going back to the

3:23:53 ↗ drawing

3:23:54 ↗ boards how about if we say acceptable to

3:23:57 ↗ the city

3:23:58 ↗ council yes that work absolutely so I'll

3:24:02 ↗ I'll keep drafting R revised and

3:24:07 ↗ acceptable is that okay yeah all

3:24:13 ↗ right category

3:24:18 ↗ six wait we've got we've gone through uh

3:24:21 ↗ five oh six yeah we're on six now

3:24:31 ↗ transition we skip over

3:24:34 ↗ signage I don't

3:24:37 ↗ well you haven't covered

3:24:41 ↗ signage and I'm looking at yeah where do

3:24:44 ↗ we have to sign

3:24:55 ↗ if five is acceptable with

3:24:59 ↗ conditions I agree yeah acceptable I

3:25:05 ↗ agree had to figure out where it

3:25:08 ↗ was it's it's

3:25:13 ↗ 5964 okay um

3:25:16 ↗ go all the way down through so now we're

3:25:17 ↗ on transition

3:25:27 ↗ okay acceptable y acceptable with the

3:25:32 ↗ conditions

3:25:34 ↗ uh seven projects with multiple

3:25:38 ↗ structures I would I would say

3:25:40 ↗ acceptable not just not

3:25:43 ↗ applicable I think yeah because there

3:25:45 ↗ are mult there are yeah all right so

3:25:49 ↗ acceptable uh D is non-motorized and

3:25:53 ↗ vehicular

3:25:59 ↗ areas barrier acceptable acceptable yep

3:26:04 ↗ acceptable two circulation Trail access

3:26:24 ↗ acceptable parking

3:26:32 ↗ areas spend a lot of time talking about

3:26:34 ↗ this

3:26:37 ↗ yeah and I do appreciate that they

3:26:40 ↗ probably spent way more time than we did

3:26:42 ↗ talking about it too so I'm sure they

3:26:45 ↗ did yeah I think it's acceptable with

3:26:47 ↗ their with the conditions they've got

3:26:49 ↗ down there it's acceptable all right

3:26:57 ↗ acceptable Public Access adjacent to

3:27:09 ↗ site challenge with this was the level

3:27:12 ↗ of detail provided for the trail and MH

3:27:16 ↗ the configuration the grade changes that

3:27:18 ↗ are occurring as it

3:27:20 ↗ moves adjacent to the prop to the site

3:27:22 ↗ and then by the Sportsman's Club was

3:27:25 ↗ hard to get from the

3:27:28 ↗ plans

3:27:30 ↗ um Ian some of this were just going to

3:27:33 ↗ have to rely on the staff's work as they

3:27:36 ↗ continue to find the design with the

3:27:39 ↗ architect I I there's there's so many

3:27:42 ↗ questions and concerns about this that I

3:27:44 ↗ I just um

3:27:47 ↗ I don't know that it's acceptable or not

3:27:50 ↗ and this is where we this is where we

3:27:52 ↗ are in this as this new process that

3:27:54 ↗ this is a

3:27:56 ↗ continuing U challenge for staff and for

3:28:02 ↗ commission I've got one suggestion here

3:28:05 ↗ for condition

3:28:07 ↗ D9 what I would suggest is that uh on

3:28:10 ↗ the second line where it says the trail

3:28:13 ↗ connecting the Eastern leg of the Rainer

3:28:15 ↗ Trail shall be reviewed red I would say

3:28:17 ↗ reviewed and approved by the city of

3:28:20 ↗ isal Parks and Rec

3:28:24 ↗ Department I feel comfortable let the

3:28:27 ↗ experts do it let them agree then the

3:28:30 ↗ next sentence was the final approval of

3:28:32 ↗ this design should required prior to

3:28:34 ↗ posting who's doing the final approval

3:28:37 ↗ the city council or the Parks and

3:28:40 ↗ Recreation

3:28:41 ↗ Department would be the parks recreation

3:28:43 ↗ par yeah yeah based on the amendment

3:28:47 ↗ commissioner Morgan just

3:28:49 ↗ made reviewed and approved by the city

3:28:52 ↗ of isaquel parks and restoration

3:28:53 ↗ Department final approval of trail

3:28:55 ↗ design shall be required then I would i'

3:28:56 ↗ get rid of the final approval and just

3:28:58 ↗ [Music]

3:29:01 ↗ say the

3:29:03 ↗ approval the trails that required prior

3:29:05 ↗ to posting landscape performance bond

3:29:07 ↗ for the project well then we're talking

3:29:10 ↗ about two different finals maybe Le

3:29:12 ↗ maybe I'm getting into the weeds uh yeah

3:29:15 ↗ I think I think what we're talking

3:29:16 ↗ talking about here is uh making this

3:29:20 ↗ gel uh and the city city parks and

3:29:24 ↗ recreation department would have

3:29:27 ↗ approval as part of the process that

3:29:30 ↗ goes up to the city council the way

3:29:32 ↗ commissioner Morgan has so so ultimately

3:29:36 ↗ it's it's the city council that's going

3:29:38 ↗ to be approving but this the the for

3:29:40 ↗ when it comes to the trail the final

3:29:42 ↗ location of paving material it would be

3:29:44 ↗ subject to the Parks and Recreation

3:29:47 ↗ Department to say okay or not

3:29:51 ↗ yet and and I guess um that final that

3:29:55 ↗ last sentence on D9 it says final

3:29:57 ↗ approval of this Trail designed shall be

3:29:59 ↗ required prior to posting the bond so I

3:30:01 ↗ mean you've got to get the parks

3:30:02 ↗ approval before you go get the bond and

3:30:05 ↗ sometimes it's kind of Catch 22 there

3:30:07 ↗ because they want the bond before they

3:30:08 ↗ approve it but so we'll see shall be

3:30:10 ↗ reviewed and approved by yeah yeah so

3:30:14 ↗ excuse me um I hate to do this but um

3:30:17 ↗ just for clarification actually that

3:30:20 ↗ particular condition is the one that

3:30:22 ↗ we're replacing with um a more this yes

3:30:27 ↗ oh okay um but this new condition

3:30:29 ↗ doesn't mention anything about this uh

3:30:32 ↗ the parks department reviewing and

3:30:33 ↗ approving so if you you feel more

3:30:36 ↗ comfortable doing that we can again

3:30:38 ↗ revise the proposal to um include that

3:30:42 ↗ wait you're saying you're saying D9 yeah

3:30:44 ↗ D9 right this is this is what you just

3:30:47 ↗ brought in all right and it says shall

3:30:50 ↗ be reviewed and

3:30:52 ↗ approved by the city just added that

3:30:54 ↗ yeah so we changed it instead of the

3:30:58 ↗ parks that's

3:31:01 ↗ theed and so I think you're is want toal

3:31:06 ↗ approval

3:31:24 ↗ yep

3:31:36 ↗ okay the trail

3:31:49 ↗ perfect great all right okay

3:31:53 ↗ yes thank you Lucy it doesn't talk about

3:31:56 ↗ bonds

3:31:57 ↗ now okay performance

3:32:03 ↗ bonds a minute oh no no no no no I'm now

3:32:07 ↗ went back Public

3:32:10 ↗ Access it to site

3:32:22 ↗ we

3:32:24 ↗ just're on we're on should be on uh on

3:32:28 ↗ number five Public Access with Insight

3:32:31 ↗ with Insight okay

3:32:34 ↗ I'm heck that no conditions on that not

3:32:39 ↗ not really applicable not

3:32:41 ↗ applicable okay six is Trail and

3:32:44 ↗ non-motorized facil

3:32:47 ↗ design

3:32:53 ↗ acceptable with that acceptable okay

3:32:56 ↗ seven transition of design element and

3:33:00 ↗ amenities

3:33:04 ↗ acceptable e uh service and storage

3:33:07 ↗ areas one screening service yards and

3:33:09 ↗ Outdoor Storage

3:33:13 ↗ acceptable um screening mechanical

3:33:19 ↗ equipment screening display

3:33:21 ↗ areas no that's

3:33:25 ↗ NA

3:33:34 ↗ okay I'm assuming and this is uh out of

3:33:38 ↗ order but I'm ass and I believe it's is

3:33:41 ↗ it is addressed but I just want to make

3:33:42 ↗ sure that I know that the fire

3:33:44 ↗ department has already looked at all

3:33:46 ↗ these access plans and determined that

3:33:48 ↗ their largest Vehicles can get in there

3:33:50 ↗ at Peak travel times when it's full of

3:33:53 ↗ buses and private

3:33:55 ↗ Vehicles so we never have a problem with

3:33:58 ↗ that

3:34:03 ↗ so you know I'm sorry this is way out of

3:34:07 ↗ line but if we're gonna have somebody

3:34:08 ↗ addressing an issue like that could you

3:34:09 ↗ come up and to the mic and just identify

3:34:12 ↗ yourself or

3:34:23 ↗ okay and I would like to add that um

3:34:26 ↗ this project is very complicated because

3:34:28 ↗ of the phasing so we have included a

3:34:31 ↗ condition that says that um fire access

3:34:34 ↗ will be provided at all times during

3:34:36 ↗ construction and after

3:34:38 ↗ okay

3:34:41 ↗ right all right um Mr chair this isn't a

3:34:45 ↗ condition but just a recommendation to

3:34:46 ↗ staff I guess is I think it would be

3:34:48 ↗ very helpful in the presentation the

3:34:50 ↗ city council to provide uh before and

3:34:52 ↗ after views from Street levels and

3:34:55 ↗ within the project itself to show like

3:34:58 ↗ from Evans here's a street scen now

3:35:01 ↗ here's what the street scene scene would

3:35:03 ↗ look like I know you Architects are

3:35:06 ↗ really good at providing those things so

3:35:08 ↗ I think that'd be very helpful of the

3:35:13 ↗ councils especially those things like

3:35:15 ↗ the paining walls

3:35:21 ↗ and keep that in mind um list you me do

3:35:25 ↗ you know about when this is going to

3:35:27 ↗ come to council I mean just on the on as

3:35:30 ↗ complicated as this is how long it will

3:35:33 ↗ be before Council gets to see

3:35:38 ↗ this March 18 or 1th whatever that

3:35:42 ↗ Monday is so it's um

3:35:55 ↗ Monday ofch then two days later Days

3:36:00 ↗ Later

3:36:09 ↗ land I it March 12 they moved the

3:36:13 ↗ land all right

3:36:16 ↗ care for a motion yes sir does anybody

3:36:19 ↗ care make the motion Mr chair I move

3:36:22 ↗ that the development commission

3:36:23 ↗ recommend the approval of the master

3:36:25 ↗ site plan and the site development

3:36:26 ↗ permit to the city council isad middle

3:36:29 ↗ school project file numbers msp1 14-00

3:36:34 ↗ z002 and sdp1 14-

3:36:37 ↗ 000000001 as described and EV valued in

3:36:40 ↗ the staff report dated February 18th

3:36:43 ↗ 2015 and project drawn revised on

3:36:46 ↗ February 4th 2015 received on February

3:36:49 ↗ 11

3:36:50 ↗ 2015 and subject to the conditions

3:36:53 ↗ therein and as amended

3:36:58 ↗ tonight second second uh we have a

3:37:02 ↗ motion and a second is there any further

3:37:08 ↗ discussion so we're so we realized and I

3:37:11 ↗ had written it in but I didn't get it

3:37:13 ↗ typed in we didn't list um we need to

3:37:16 ↗ just add number of conditions or

3:37:20 ↗ exhibits exhibits 1 through

3:37:24 ↗ 13

3:37:26 ↗ oops okay we got right uh right on this

3:37:33 ↗ one so they that doesn't change the

3:37:36 ↗ nature of the of the the motion at all

3:37:39 ↗ so is there any further

3:37:42 ↗ discussion if not all those in favor of

3:37:45 ↗ approving the motion as presented say

3:37:47 ↗ signify by saying I I I opposed motion

3:37:51 ↗ carries Mr chair I move that the

3:37:54 ↗ development commission direct the

3:37:55 ↗ development services department to

3:37:57 ↗ prepare findings a fact and conclusions

3:37:59 ↗ for review and approval by the

3:38:00 ↗ development commission chairman

3:38:02 ↗ affirming the development commission's

3:38:03 ↗ decision to recommend approval of the

3:38:05 ↗ isquad middle school project file numers

3:38:08 ↗ msp1 14-00

3:38:10 ↗ z002 and sdp1 14-

3:38:14 ↗ 000000001 subject to the 13 conditions

3:38:18 ↗ listed

3:38:19 ↗ no sorry subject to the conditions

3:38:22 ↗ listed in the staff report dated

3:38:23 ↗ February 18th 2015 and project drawings

3:38:26 ↗ received February 11

3:38:27 ↗ 2015 and subject to the conditions

3:38:30 ↗ therein and is amended

3:38:31 ↗ tonight and if we need to add the

3:38:33 ↗ language about exhibits we can too

3:38:37 ↗ second we have a motion and a second is

3:38:40 ↗ there any further discussion I would

3:38:42 ↗ simply say uh my role to sign this uh I

3:38:47 ↗ will be out of state uh close to this

3:38:52 ↗ date so uh are you around

3:38:54 ↗ tomorrow we we we are prepared to have

3:38:57 ↗ this for you tomorrow okay yes all right

3:38:59 ↗ yeah I will be here tomorrow they name

3:39:01 ↗ after midnight they're coming to your

3:39:04 ↗ house the overtime CL is rning all right

3:39:07 ↗ so we have a motion in a second no

3:39:09 ↗ further discussion uh all those in favor

3:39:12 ↗ signify by saying I I

3:39:15 ↗ opposed motion carries

3:39:19 ↗ unanimously and I would like very much

3:39:21 ↗ to thank the members of the public

3:39:23 ↗ specifically uh members of the public

3:39:25 ↗ who came uh we're always we I speak for

3:39:29 ↗ the entire commission we're always

3:39:30 ↗ encouraged by members of the public that

3:39:31 ↗ show up that make presentations that

3:39:34 ↗ stay through that ask questions uh

3:39:36 ↗ because as I say every meeting you're

3:39:39 ↗ what it's all about we really need the

3:39:41 ↗ public to participate and understand

3:39:44 ↗ what's going on at things this big so

3:39:47 ↗ thank you very much Mr chair I'd like to

3:39:50 ↗ specifically thank Amy for all her hard

3:39:53 ↗ work um on this project Amy you did a

3:39:56 ↗ wonderful job on this and a great

3:39:58 ↗ presentation and to the the school

3:40:01 ↗ district and the architect and all

3:40:03 ↗ everybody else that worked on this but

3:40:04 ↗ especially Amy for first project a big

3:40:06 ↗ one thank you very much yeah look

3:40:08 ↗ forward to working with you thank

3:40:11 ↗ you therefore the meeting is adjourned

3:40:16 ↗ thank I just wanted to mention we will

3:40:18 ↗ have a meeting on

3:40:21 ↗ March

3:40:44 ↗ will for

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