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Development Commission

Wednesday, December 4, 2019

7:00 PM · 1h 47m · Council Chambers, 135 E. Sunset Way, Issaquah WA
Topic tracked across meetings:
Site Development Permit Application for Park Place Townhomes, Quasi-Judicial AB 6970 16/25
Section
1. CALL TO ORDER
1a
Commission Membership
packet pp.3
Staff report:
Development Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission reviews all land Lucy Sloman, use actions requiring a Level 3 review. The Land Development Manager Commission further serves as an advisory board Email to the City Council on land use actions requiring council approval (Level 5 review). Regular Members 2020 – Melvin Morgan The appearance of fairness doctrine prohibits 2020 – Kevin Price Development Commission members and City 2022 – Michael Brennan Council members from discussing the merit of 2022 – Richard Sowa specific land use development applications outside 2022 – Richard Sanford of the formal public meeting process. Citizens, 2023 – Brooke Shore however, may discuss any issue with the City's 2023 – Ben Rush Development Services Department. Written comments are also welcome. Alternate Members 2020 – Mark Rigos Membership 2020 – Nischitha Venkatesh The…
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2a
Minutes of November 20, 2019
packet pp.5–7
Staff report:
APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 11-20-19 Development Commission Minutes Page [0000]
3. AGENDA ITEMS
3a
Consultation on Revisions to Inneswood Apartment Site Development Permit, Application No. SDP16-00006; ASDP19- Recommendation
Valerie Porter, Associate Planner Ric Tolleshaug, Milbrandt Architects · packet pp.9–31
Topics: Land Use
Staff report:
On November 2, 2016 and December 7, 2016, the Development Commission reviewed Site Development Permit (SDP16-00006) during two public hearings. The request was to allow for the construction of two multi-family buildings with a total of 93-units on approximately 5.72 acres.
4. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS
4a
The next meeting is scheduled for December 18, 2019 at 7:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers, 135 E. Sunset Way
0:22 evening ladies and gentlemen I'd like to
0:24 welcome you to the development
0:27 commission meeting on the consultation
0:29 of revisions on revisions to the Ennis
0:31 what apartment site development
0:32 permitting SDP 1600 0:06
0:38 now we have some administrative business
0:40 first I'd like to the minutes were sent
0:44 out prior to the meeting I'm assuming
0:46 that you all had a chance to read them
0:47 does anybody have any Corrections or
0:50 changes no anything will presume that
0:53 they are approved by consent minutes are
0:56 approved for the November 20th 2019
0:59 meeting and so we're gonna have a staff
1:02 presentation I think all right hi
1:17 everyone my name is Valerie Porter I'm
1:20 an associate planner in the development
1:22 services department so we're here to
1:25 discuss the Ennis wood apartments
1:27 project this project was previously
1:30 approved back in 2016 by the Development
1:33 Commission you may notice that we're
1:37 here talking about an administrative
1:39 site development permit these types of
1:41 permits are typically reviewed by city
1:44 staff instead of the site development
1:47 permits that your guys are used to
1:49 so in this public meeting we are going
1:52 to be discussing design changes that
1:55 occurred after the site development
1:57 permit was approved staff is asking for
2:00 input from the development commission on
2:02 the extent of the changes so the
2:05 planning director has made the
2:06 determination that the changes are minor
2:08 and do not require a amendment to the
2:12 approved site development permit
2:14 therefore the decision roof falls back
2:16 on staff but staff feels that the extent
2:20 of changes are very noticeable and we
2:23 would like to be transparent with the
2:24 development Commission so we're here to
2:26 ask for guidance in determining if the
2:29 new proposal meets the
2:31 ten of the approved site development
2:32 permit and should be approved so just to
2:38 make sure that we're all on the same
2:39 page and to provide a refresher I'm
2:41 gonna provide a brief description of the
2:43 project the site is located in central
2:45 Issaquah in the Gilman neighborhood
2:48 right over here the project is located
2:56 at the intersection of Newports way in
2:59 juniper Street across from the King
3:01 County Library the site consists of
3:08 three parcels at total 5.72 acres ninety
3:14 three units are to be constructed within
3:16 two multifamily buildings the first
3:18 building will contain 86 units with 12
3:21 townhomes that will gain access direct
3:25 actives from Newport way and the second
3:27 building will have seven units so the
3:33 Ennis wood project was reviewed by the
3:34 Development Commission during public
3:37 hearings which were held in 2016 on
3:39 November 2nd and December 2nd 7th on
3:42 December 8th the project was approved
3:44 with conditions and in June 2017 the
3:48 applicant submitted for building permits
3:50 and those permits are still under you by
3:52 city staff so to ensure that
3:58 construction drawings reflect the land
4:00 use approval staff typically compares
4:03 the drawings to the land use drawings it
4:06 was during the building review that
4:07 staff noticed several changes had been
4:09 made to the exterior and we we just
4:16 wanted to basically come back to the
4:18 Development Commission to make sure
4:19 everything was that the intent was being
4:22 met so no changes were being proposed to
4:24 the building setback from the property
4:26 line the height the material or the
4:29 overall style of the building there were
4:32 several modifications to the window
4:35 layout the floor plan the roofline the
4:38 building step back and building
4:40 modulation it is common to see a handful
4:44 of changes which
4:45 a land-use process in the construction
4:48 permit but a lot of changes were made
4:53 which kind of alters the appearance of
4:55 the building and it warranted an
4:57 additional land use review so before the
5:03 meeting you guys all received a list
5:05 identifying all of the changes that
5:07 occurred to building 1 and 2 every
5:10 change will not be addressed in this
5:12 meeting today instead the applicant and
5:13 I would like you guys to focus on the
5:16 repeated changes in the most perceptible
5:18 design changes so try to understand the
5:21 type of changes that were made
5:22 I took a snippet from the site
5:26 development proposal and the
5:27 construction proposal to identify some
5:30 of the changes so in this image you'll
5:33 see there you go in the site development
5:37 permit the window pane changed so it
5:40 went from one single window to two
5:42 separate windows additional windows were
5:45 added in the layout of where the windows
5:49 were a place has changed the balcony
5:52 over the second floor has been moved to
5:55 the outer edge of the building so this
5:59 change then made the balcony no longer
6:02 protruding out but recessed in and also
6:06 reduced the building modulation in this
6:08 area you'll also notice that the scoring
6:12 along the building has changed
6:15 and new elements have been added so in
6:18 this case if you look at the canopy over
6:21 the door it has now been changed to a
6:24 inaccessible balcony so before I hand
6:27 things over to the applicant I'd like to
6:30 consider I would like you guys to
6:31 consider a few questions that will help
6:33 to guide our discussion which we're
6:36 going to have after the applicant makes
6:39 a presentation so the first one is is
6:42 the new proposal consistent with the
6:44 intent of the proof site development
6:46 permanent elevations is removing or
6:50 noticeably altering an exterior elements
6:53 such as window design and our layout
6:55 considered a significant change to the
6:58 building exterior does the Development
7:03 Commission generally view increases to
7:06 exterior elements such as window size
7:08 and shape as an improvement to the
7:10 overall building facade and what are the
7:15 development Commission's expectations in
7:17 regards to mitigating design changes
7:19 that are prompted by building and/or
7:21 structural code requirements so before I
7:25 hand it over to the applicant do you
7:26 guys have any general questions nope
7:31 okay perfect
7:41 I guess I do okay in just thinking about
7:46 it and thinking about design manual
7:51 design handbook that we developed for
7:53 different areas within the city does you
7:57 know my concern would be any changes to
7:59 the exterior that would alter the
8:02 consistency of that facade to the
8:05 recommended facade that should be in
8:07 that part of the city and so it the
8:10 question was what would we consider to
8:13 be important too what would we consider
8:18 an important change and that would be an
8:20 important change to me so that's all I'm
8:22 saying it's and well I think you know
8:27 you're bringing up a great point Richard
8:30 which is there's a lot more requirements
8:33 associated with the design manual yeah
8:36 it doesn't apply to this project but
8:40 going forward that's going to be a
8:41 consideration that probably gives less
8:47 flexibility and then we have that was
8:52 money that was my only concern yeah and
8:55 following on on that question then the
8:57 rest of the SIDS does apply to this
8:59 project correct but chapter 18 the
9:01 architecture and urban design manual
9:03 would not write chapters 1 through 17
9:06 apply but not chapter 18
9:09 thank you call the applicant up now good
9:28 evening for the record Rick Tallis L
9:32 Milburn architects David Burnett
9:35 Bill Brown architects I want to thank
9:40 Lucy and Valerie for all their support
9:43 and help in preparation for tonight's
9:45 meeting I will start with a brief
9:49 background myself reiterating what
9:52 Valerie has said we received site
9:55 development approval in December of 2016
9:58 about exactly three years ago there were
10:02 55 conditions attached to the approval
10:07 all those conditions have been addressed
10:10 and signed off absolutely after
10:15 receiving STV approval we began the
10:18 design and development phase followed by
10:21 construction document preparation
10:23 together these two phases took
10:25 approximately a year and a half and
10:27 represent thousands of person person
10:29 hours working across nearly a dozen
10:31 disciplines it is during these two
10:34 phases that architects and engineers
10:36 work out all the details of the building
10:39 responding to often competing forces
10:41 engineering constructability municipal
10:45 requirements envelope performance to
10:47 name just a few
10:49 evolution is inevitable during these
10:51 phases but it's the architects job to
10:55 not let these forces push design
10:57 sensibilities to the side and we fully
11:00 respect the effort the time thought that
11:03 the development commission and the city
11:05 staff put into the SDP process and I can
11:08 honestly say that throughout we always
11:12 tried to honor the process by staying
11:14 true to the design concept approved by
11:17 the Commission that's a request of city
11:21 staff
11:23 no Arnie yeah that is our slide that is
11:30 our slide at the request of city staff
11:32 no Brown architects documented all
11:34 facade changes that occurred during
11:36 design development and construction
11:37 drawing phases an inventory of the
11:40 facade changes has been prepared by city
11:43 staff and provided to the Commission
11:44 form of a spreadsheet accompanied by
11:47 elevation drawings in which each item is
11:49 on the spreadsheet is keyed excuse me
11:54 city staff has classified each change
11:57 using three categories changes that
11:59 improve the facade changes that impact
12:02 whose impact is neutral to the facade
12:05 and changes his impacts diminishes the
12:07 facade changes following into this last
12:10 category diminish will be presented in
12:13 greater detail here allowing for more
12:15 thorough evaluation by the Commission in
12:20 addition to memorandum was provided by
12:21 city staff which summarizes the kind of
12:24 changes that occurred in sites numerous
12:27 examples in this presentation we will
12:29 also examine two changes highlighted in
12:32 the memorandum which are classified in
12:34 neutral but the area of impact is of
12:37 notable size we felt it was important to
12:39 explain what drove these changes as well
12:44 for original sdp cement we developed and
12:48 maintained 3d computer models of our
12:51 proposed designs for buildings one end
12:53 to from which we produce perspective
12:55 images for presentation to the
12:57 development Commission in preparation
13:00 for this meeting we've done the same
13:01 with the finalized designs of buildings
13:03 one and two as represented in the
13:06 construction drawings we will present
13:08 prospective images in a split-screen
13:10 format with identical viewpoints for
13:13 easy comparison of the facades from the
13:15 approved SDP versus the construction
13:18 drawings we will start with building one
13:21 and conclude with building two here is a
13:25 comparison of the street facades for
13:27 building one and the approved SDP facade
13:31 is at the top and it's heading in
13:33 read the construction drawing cesari's
13:35 at the bottom with its heading in blue
13:37 this format is used throughout this
13:39 presentation in in the case of a
13:41 side-by-side comparison the SDP facade
13:44 will be on the left in the construction
13:46 drawing facade on the right now look
13:50 more closely at two changes to building
13:52 one Street facade that were classified
13:54 diminish as well as one change
13:56 classified neutral but the area impacted
13:59 was of notable size shaded in shaded in
14:03 blue is the area identified as L on the
14:06 staff prepared spreadsheet is the first
14:08 of two areas we will discuss on the
14:11 street facade that were classified
14:13 diminish due to a two and a half foot
14:20 expansion of the building's core on
14:22 floors three through six an entire Bank
14:25 of dwelling units were shifted northward
14:27 as a result the most northern window bay
14:30 component is now narrower and its
14:33 windows are now positioned eight inches
14:35 from the inside corner when seen with
14:38 respect to the overall facade despite
14:41 being narrower this module remains
14:44 prominent enough to successfully
14:46 maintain the established articulation
14:48 and rhythm of a street facade next is a
14:54 change that occurred to the far left
14:56 Town Hall and has shaded in blue here
14:59 this change is identified as a on the
15:02 staff prepared spreadsheet and is
15:03 highlighted in the memorandum as well
15:05 although classified neutral it is of
15:08 notable size so we will take a closer
15:11 look the previous design of this far
15:15 left townhome had many aspects that were
15:17 we felt were not ideal we were confident
15:21 we could improve on its interior layout
15:23 as well as bring his Street facades
15:25 specifically the design of its roofline
15:27 its entry ports and canopy into better
15:30 alignment with the rest of the townhomes
15:32 we took the opportunity to redesign this
15:35 townhome achieving a result that not
15:37 only remains consistent with the overall
15:39 style but represents a general
15:41 improvement by expressing a building
15:44 form that is more interesting more Kohi
15:46 and consistent with the remaining
15:48 townhall units fronting the street next
15:55 is a change that occurred two floors
15:57 three through six directly above the
16:00 previously discussed townhome this
16:02 change is identified as beyond the staff
16:05 prepared spreadsheet and highlighted in
16:07 the memoranda
16:08 this is the second of two areas on the
16:10 street facade classified diminish we'll
16:14 take a closer look to better understand
16:17 what drove the change to these upper
16:20 floors we need to look at the South
16:22 upper floor plans from the approved SDP
16:24 versus the construction drawings the
16:27 approved SDP design had a studio unit
16:29 extending out over the top of the
16:31 townhome at the south end of building
16:33 one this was the only condition where
16:36 the upper residential floors overlapped
16:38 the lower residential floors to this
16:40 degree and it presented two major
16:42 problems not revealed until design
16:45 development it complicated our ability
16:48 one it complicated our ability to
16:51 provide clearly defined horizontal and
16:53 vertical fire rated assemblies in this
16:55 area such as some ways are required by
16:58 billing code to separate different uses
17:00 and can factor into the allowed number
17:03 of storeys and type of construction in
17:05 mixed occupancy buildings the building
17:09 official made this an area of emphasis
17:10 in our pre-op meeting - it greatly
17:14 complicated the structural engineering
17:16 in this area floors three through six
17:19 are built on top of post-tensioned
17:21 concrete slab that covers the concealed
17:24 parking garage with the post engine
17:26 syllabic staying well over the top of
17:28 the townhome beyond what you can
17:31 cantilever supporting concrete columns
17:34 and concrete sheer walls would be
17:35 required inside the townhome below
17:38 increasing the step-back of floor
17:41 through three through six at this area
17:43 of the building eliminated this outlier
17:45 condition which in turn greatly
17:47 simplified the structural engineering
17:49 for this area as well as our ability to
17:51 demonstrate well-defined occupancy
17:53 separations this increased step-back
18:00 two floors three through six impacted
18:01 more than just the front studio unit it
18:03 ultimately required the redesign of
18:05 three units occurring at this end of
18:07 building one previously the SDP design
18:10 had two studio units which you'll see in
18:12 green one two bedroom plus den unit in
18:16 magenta in their place now the
18:19 construction drawings have one studio
18:21 unit one one bedroom unit in red and one
18:26 two bedroom unit in blue in addition to
18:30 solving the two issues mentioned the new
18:32 layout resulted in more efficient and
18:34 more marketable units now let's examine
18:37 the impact this floorplan change had to
18:40 the facades here is a comparison of the
18:44 street facades for this portion of
18:46 building one looking at this 2p facade
18:49 you can see a window Bay component to
18:51 the left and a balcony component to the
18:53 right both extend out over the townhome
18:56 below the stacked balconies are entirely
18:59 outboard of the primary building
19:01 envelope supported by two columns open
19:04 on three sides this balcony
19:06 configuration was entirely unique it did
19:10 not occur anywhere else in the project
19:12 looking at the construction drawings
19:14 facade essentially the window Bay and
19:17 the balcony components have been swamped
19:19 the window bay is now positioned away
19:21 from the corner replaced by a balcony
19:23 component that now is more integral to
19:25 the building open primarily on two sides
19:29 having the balconies position here
19:32 results in a cut away at the building
19:33 corner adding interest to the building
19:36 form when seen in the overall context of
19:40 the entire Street facade this area now
19:44 closely follows the articulation and the
19:46 rhythm established along the rest of the
19:48 street facade as we again look at the
19:52 two street facades and evaluate the
19:55 impact these three changes have on the
19:57 overall facade we propose that despite
20:00 these changes the construction drawings
20:02 facade remains substantially similar to
20:04 the approved SDP facade as a remain
20:08 changes the Street facade are classified
20:11 neutral
20:11 improve and our relatively minor in
20:14 scope we will now move on to another
20:18 facade we now turn the corner working
20:24 our way around the left end of building
20:26 one and see a comparison of the south
20:28 facades as a result of the increased
20:31 step back to four three through six and
20:33 floor plan changes discussed previously
20:35 the overall building pattern of the
20:37 South facade has been modified
20:39 identified as cue on the staff prepared
20:42 spreadsheet
20:42 this changes the only item classified
20:45 diminished for this facade when
20:47 redesigning this facade every effort was
20:49 made to carry forward the same language
20:51 utilize the same articulation and apply
20:54 materials and colors in such a way that
20:56 the result was significantly different
20:58 than previous maintains the character of
21:02 the original conceptual design since all
21:05 remain changes to the South facade are
21:07 classified neutral or improve and are a
21:10 relatively minor in scope we will now
21:12 move on to another facade continuing
21:16 around building one this slide shows the
21:19 comparison of the rear facades it is
21:21 important to note there are no changes
21:23 classified diminish on building ones
21:25 rear facade all changes are classified
21:28 neutral or improve staff highlighted one
21:31 notable change the rear facade in the
21:33 memorandum which we will show in more
21:35 detail shaded in blue and is the area
21:42 identified as AF on the staff prepared
21:44 spreadsheet this change is classified in
21:47 neutral but is of notable size and can
21:51 be found referencing staffs memorandum
21:53 so let's take a closer look this facade
21:57 change is also the result of the
21:59 increased step back to floors 3 through
22:01 6 and the previously discussed 4 planned
22:03 changes where there existed a single two
22:06 bedroom plus den unit now there are two
22:08 units a one-bedroom and a studio unit in
22:11 its place as a result an additional
22:15 window Bay component and an additional
22:18 balcony component replace a group of
22:20 less dominant window wall
22:22 every effort was made to utilize the
22:25 same language and apply materials and
22:26 colors in such a way that the result
22:28 well notably different than previous
22:31 remains consistent with the overall
22:33 style as seen and when seen in the
22:41 overall context of the entire rear
22:43 facade you can see the changes to this
22:45 area are consistent in their expression
22:47 in execution with those established
22:49 along the rest of the rear facade since
22:52 remaining changes to the rear facade are
22:54 classified neutral or improve and our
22:56 minor in scope we will now move on to
22:58 building ones last facade continuing
23:08 around here you see a comparison of the
23:11 north facades it is important to note
23:13 that there are no changes classified
23:15 diminish on building ones North facade
23:17 all changes are classified in neutral or
23:19 improve the most apparent change to this
23:23 facade was the exterior wall at the
23:25 upper parking structure this area is now
23:27 finished in a manner consistent with
23:29 similar walls elsewhere in the project
23:32 the screen walls seen at the lower left
23:34 the construction drawings facade was a
23:36 condition of SDU approval and directed
23:38 by planning it was not a change made by
23:43 the design team now let's examine
23:47 billing - and compared compare facades
23:50 from the approved SDP vs construction
23:52 drawings the bulk of billing twos
23:54 facades changes were in response SDP
23:58 approval conditions any remaining
24:01 changes were minor mostly adding and
24:04 relocating or resizing windows it is
24:07 important to note the building - has no
24:09 changes classified diminish all changes
24:11 that occurred with building twos facades
24:14 all four facades are classified neutral
24:16 or improved here is a comparison of
24:20 billing to street facades again the more
24:25 apparent difference is seen in this
24:26 comparison where SDP approval conditions
24:28 not changes made by the design team as
24:31 illustrated here the construction
24:33 drawings street facade
24:35 remains substantially similar to the
24:38 approved SDP Street facade and turning
24:42 the corner working our way around the
24:44 left end of billing - you can see here a
24:46 comparative comparison of the south
24:48 facades a few windows were added or
24:51 modified based on internal space
24:53 planning adjustments
24:54 additionally some material transitions
24:56 were shifted to be consistent with
24:58 similar conditions elsewhere in the
25:00 project as evident by this comparison
25:02 the construction drawings South facade
25:04 remains substantially similar to the
25:07 approved SDP South facade this slide
25:13 shows the comparison building two's rear
25:15 facades as you can see the construction
25:17 drawings rear facades remains
25:19 substantially similar to the approved
25:21 SDP rear facade now let's move on to
25:25 building two's final facade this slide
25:32 shows a comparison of the north facades
25:34 for building to the changes to this
25:37 facade include adding code required
25:39 access to utility rooms changing
25:42 modulation widths due to interior room
25:44 adjustments and adding decorative metal
25:46 grates at the request of the plans
25:48 examiner despite these changes the
25:51 construction drawings North facade
25:53 remains substantially similar to the
25:55 approved SDP north facade this concludes
26:01 our presentation we hope it was helpful
26:03 explaining the design evolution that
26:05 occurred after SDP approval and the
26:08 minor impacts that occurred to the
26:10 facades as evident evidence by the
26:13 comparisons we believe the facades
26:15 represented by the construction drawings
26:17 have remained substantially similar to
26:19 the SDP approved facades thank you so do
26:29 we have anybody from the public any
26:31 members the public would you wish to
26:32 speak would you please step to the dais
26:36 and state your name and Lauren Campbell
26:41 I live at 750 Northwest Everwood Drive
26:45 we've lived there for 10 years prior
26:48 that we lived on Mount Olympus Drive for
26:50 17 years prior to that we lived in the
26:53 Kalani apartments for a year I've been
26:55 in news requests since 1992 my current
26:58 residence is immediately above this
27:02 monstrosity I participated three years
27:06 ago and four years ago when there was
27:08 discussion of this development I
27:10 participated when there was discussion
27:12 about the houses that were built to be
27:14 neatly behind Morgan's Ridge at that
27:17 time one of the members of this board
27:20 tossed out a comment at me that I didn't
27:23 understand modern development that was
27:25 my reward for participating in this
27:27 process what I didn't think to tell them
27:30 at that time is yes I do
27:32 I do understand modern development I see
27:35 talus
27:35 I see the Highlands and I choose not to
27:38 live there when we moved ten years ago I
27:41 chose to live in Morgan's view and I
27:43 chose that community because there were
27:45 wooded Lots nearby the streets were wide
27:48 the sidewalks were wide the Lots were
27:50 generous look out my back window I see
27:53 woods and a critical slope also with
27:58 those meetings Jerry Lind who I don't
28:00 know if he still works for the city or
28:02 not said that quote the city violates
28:06 the critical slope ordinance all the
28:08 time and there has never been any
28:09 negative consequence I want to point out
28:12 at this time I'm sure this is not the
28:14 correct form but I want to have on
28:16 public record that we have ample
28:18 evidence that the city has violated the
28:20 critical slope ordinance multiple times
28:22 and there has been a consequence my tax
28:25 dollars are being spent to do a million
28:27 dollar repair and tell us right now that
28:29 a developer got approved so I want to
28:32 have on record that if there is any
28:36 movement on my property as a result of
28:39 this construction I will be coming after
28:41 the city I do not believe that this
28:44 should have been approved I never
28:45 believe that this part of the city
28:47 should have been in the CIP it's
28:49 ridiculous absolutely ridiculous that
28:52 said I recognize that we're on down the
28:55 road and that this thing is going to
28:57 happen
28:59 you know I I begged and pleaded when
29:02 those houses were built in front of this
29:04 board that they built in a manner that
29:06 was consistent with the neighborhood
29:08 they were being built in that didn't
29:10 happen every single tree was cut down in
29:13 that neighborhood I watched a family of
29:15 Bobcats including kits roam homeless for
29:18 the summer in my backyard and I watched
29:21 my neighbor's wife
29:22 quite literally sob in her driveway as
29:25 every tree adjacent to their property
29:28 was cut down in a house was built eight
29:30 feet off their property line again I
29:33 understand this is modern development I
29:35 chose to not move into a neighborhood
29:38 with modern development pertinent to
29:42 this I'm glad that we got to see the
29:44 rear elevation I have never ever seen a
29:46 drawing of what I'm going to be staring
29:48 at for the rest of the time that I live
29:50 in this residence
29:51 I think it's an eyesore it looks like it
29:53 was painted from the mismatched shelf at
29:55 Lowe's I would ask that we consider not
30:00 painting the back of the property like
30:02 that make it blend because no one is
30:05 gonna see it except me in my immediate
30:07 neighbor whom I begged and pleaded to
30:09 come to this meeting tonight and was
30:11 told why should I waste my time it
30:14 doesn't make any difference and I would
30:16 say that the time and energy that I have
30:19 spent here and in the city meetings
30:22 that's been my experience too it doesn't
30:25 make any difference the last one of
30:27 these meetings I I came to there was a
30:29 discussion about the trail going down
30:32 behind our houses to pass what's the
30:36 rear of this apartment building this
30:38 board said before we left I think we can
30:41 dispense with the trail conversation
30:43 about this property lo and behold
30:45 there's a trail so it got built anyway
30:48 after I walked out of the meeting and
30:50 was told that it wouldn't be an issue so
30:52 I now have people wandering around in my
30:54 backyard who never used to wander around
30:56 in my backyard now I get a put up a
30:59 fence or put up signs or be a grumpy
31:01 person and tell people to get out of my
31:03 yard this is not why I moved to Issaquah
31:06 this is not why I came here I could have
31:08 moved to Redmond
31:09 could have moved to Bellevue and been a
31:11 part of modern development back then
31:13 I chose Issaquah but also worked to
31:18 request that there be some kind of
31:19 screen trees something replanted back
31:22 there so that I'm not staring onto
31:25 people's decks and people on their decks
31:27 are not staring into my backyard again I
31:31 bought that piece of property knowing
31:33 very well that it was adjacent to
31:35 critical slope assuming that the city
31:37 would not allow buildings to be built on
31:39 critical slope and that I wouldn't be
31:41 staring into people's houses the other
31:44 apartments that are along Newport Way
31:46 are built much lower I assume that there
31:51 would probably be building along the
31:52 Newport way below me but that it would
31:54 be consistent with what's already there
31:56 obviously we're not doing that anymore
31:58 in this city we're not building
31:59 consistently in neighborhoods we're
32:01 doing something otherwise I respect that
32:04 you've spent a lot of time on this I
32:05 don't think that that effort or time is
32:09 relevant and considering whether or not
32:10 they need to go back for a new permit
32:13 effort does not mitigate development
32:16 rules I'm not an expert on those rules I
32:18 won't pretend to be but I don't think
32:21 that they whether or not they spend a
32:22 thousand hours or ten thousand hours or
32:24 50 hours it should be pertinent to
32:26 whether or not they need to follow the
32:27 development rules whatever they are
32:30 and again I'll stand here and ask you
32:33 what I asked you last time I would just
32:36 love to see you developers architects
32:38 building things that are cohesive with
32:40 the neighborhoods that your buildings
32:42 are going into not pillaging and getting
32:46 as much money out of these projects as
32:47 you possibly can and I want to remind
32:51 the board that appointees employees and
32:55 elected officials are here to represent
32:58 the citizens of this community not to
33:02 extract the most dollars out of
33:04 development that they possibly can we
33:07 seem to have lost our way in this city
33:09 the developers seem to get to run
33:11 roughshod over things and because it
33:14 never seems to make any difference look
33:17 at the public participation here I'm
33:20 guessing that there are quite a few
33:21 folks in the city who would prefer
33:23 there is no public participation it sure
33:25 makes things go smoother and makes your
33:28 jobs easier you get to develop your
33:30 property however you want you get build
33:32 whatever you want but that's not why
33:36 you're here
33:37 I shouldn't have to come in battle to
33:40 get some screen trees
33:41 I shouldn't have to come in battle to
33:43 not have circus paint on the backside of
33:46 a building that faces only my house in
33:48 my neighbor's house that's what you're
33:51 here to do you're here to look out for
33:53 the citizens of this city whose tax
33:57 dollars pay the salaries of the
33:59 employees pay this stipends of the
34:02 elected officials pay for this building
34:04 pay for all that electronics that you're
34:07 all staring at new tonight I hear I just
34:10 want to remind you that that's why
34:12 you're here to protect the integrity of
34:15 the city and to represent the people who
34:17 live here not to let these guys do their
34:21 job as quickly and cheaply and most
34:22 profitably thank you thank you
34:33 so this is an opportunity for the
34:37 commissioners to ask questions question
34:42 for the applicant I didn't see I don't
34:44 think I saw like an official site plan
34:47 representing the building on the site I
34:49 saw the perspective at the beginning can
34:53 you quickly just give us an overview in
34:55 terms of which elevations we're going to
34:58 be seen from the street I I guess I
35:02 understand the rear facade faces the
35:03 hillside I was trying to better
35:07 understand what was happening in terms
35:09 of the street frontage and the
35:11 development that was going on there so
35:13 if we're driving up Newports way or we
35:15 we seen the south north and east
35:18 elevations fairly clearly here this is
35:24 the East facade of the larger building
35:28 building one this is the facade that
35:30 faces Newport Way
35:42 this would be if you were looking at the
35:45 front of building one the facade we were
35:47 just looking at this would be to the
35:48 left side coming around the left side so
35:51 this is the South facade of building one
35:57 by the way building 2 is south of
35:59 building 1 so the facade that we were
36:03 just talking about not this one the
36:06 previous one is the facade that faces
36:08 billing to this is the North facade of
36:13 building 1 the larger of the two
36:15 buildings so the South facade of
36:18 building 1 is that partially or fully
36:22 blocked by building 2 is that it's
36:24 partially a block but there's quite a
36:26 bit of space because there's an area of
36:30 some of that sense of slope area comes
36:33 down between the two buildings so do you
36:35 remember David how much space between
36:36 the two buildings off the top of your
36:38 head between the two buildings would you
36:47 like us to pull up a site plan and we
36:50 can do that Oh that'd be great if it's
36:52 not too much of a hassle
37:00 that's my mouse
37:32 you
37:34 you
37:45 you
38:24 so I think I'm just gonna step in here
38:27 while we're trying to figure out how to
38:29 manage our technology and speak directly
38:32 to mr. Campbell it's it's always
38:37 discouraging to me when members of the
38:39 public feel like their comments or
38:41 interest or input is invalid or not to
38:45 pay attention to the reality of where we
38:48 are today is the purpose of this meeting
38:50 was to be able to have some dialogue
38:51 over some changes that were made from
38:55 the approval the approved site
38:58 development plan to to make sure from
39:01 the city staff that we did the
39:03 Commission didn't feel like those
39:05 changes were significant enough to
39:07 warrant some kind of change but as
39:10 you'll hear if you if you bear with us a
39:13 little bit there you've raised some
39:14 valid points and we've got some
39:16 questions about that so I just want I
39:19 just want to make sure that anybody that
39:21 might be paying attention or listening
39:23 this we we really do appreciate the
39:25 public we are our biggest frustration
39:28 sometimes is we can't get enough members
39:30 of the public to come and be able to
39:32 voice their opinions early enough on
39:33 that we can really be able to
39:35 incorporate or address or or make that
39:37 work and sometimes we can you know
39:39 sometimes we're following code and rules
39:40 and regulations and while that's a
39:42 little frustrating there's a reality to
39:44 that but often we can make adjustments
39:47 especially minor ones and so bear with
39:49 us that I I just appreciate I appreciate
39:52 your taking your time to do that on a
39:57 similar note I would like to point out
39:59 because you were talking about screen
40:02 trees so as as you've mentioned there is
40:06 some critical slopes in this area and so
40:10 there is certainly a good chunk of this
40:13 property that we are not building on and
40:16 so we don't have
40:19 the simple drawings go into it in much
40:21 more detail but the area back here which
40:25 is with certainly within the lot will
40:27 have all of the trees maintained those
40:29 are not being touched and so you will
40:31 have a significant amount of screen
40:33 trees there and then to answer your
41:03 question so yes this is this is the -
41:08 elevation or the distance between them
41:13 around about here that will be developed
41:17 and in tandem with this project and then
41:21 that's the smaller building - over here
41:24 thank you for the vigil is that
41:26 roundabout located between the
41:27 elementary school and that I guess the
41:30 tech Wando studio or the King County
41:33 Library yeah yeah so where the hand is
41:40 right now yeah is where the is Valley
41:44 Elementary is and where the North arrow
41:47 is approximately is where the King
41:49 County a library administration building
41:52 is not it not from there please
42:02 introduce yourself
42:03 thank you my name is Bob Wenzel I'm the
42:06 owner and developer of the project and I
42:09 believe that the the roundabout is at
42:13 the intersection of Jupiter and Newport
42:15 and the elementary school is several
42:18 hundred feet north towards the city from
42:20 that so that roundabout is really right
42:22 at that intersection of Jupiter juniper
42:24 correct
42:25 juniper yes he's absolutely right I
42:28 confused my roundabouts
42:30 this is the storage building they
42:33 correct to where the arrow was is where
42:36 the storage building is and then it went
42:38 that red building which may be the
42:40 Taekwondo or was an old car building for
42:45 a while and then it goes to grade school
42:47 so okay we're a ways away from now and I
42:49 don't know if the city's planning
42:51 another roundabout at the school but I
42:52 it may be that there's another
42:54 roundabout planned there okay no thank
42:57 you for the clarification
42:57 and I think Valerie's gonna pull back up
43:00 her PowerPoint because in that just for
43:05 context project site in County Library
43:15 here's the intersection to Jupiter right
43:18 juniper right here so the roundabout is
43:20 right here okay so I think there's this
43:22 little RIT look so you it's a ways away
43:26 not a ways but from the school as you
43:28 can see where there's a cappella
43:29 elementary is yeah I see okay great
43:32 thank you yeah can you pull up the
43:34 perspective before one second before you
43:36 stop that could if you have that one if
43:38 you mr. Campbell could you sort of tell
43:42 us which one of these Lots is where your
43:44 house would be it's right there yep
43:48 right there at that corner okay thank
43:50 you
43:52 GPA you will be right here um that's a
43:55 native growth protection area and just
43:59 for the Planning Commission's I've been
44:02 working Lucy's been extraordinarily the
44:04 whole staff has been good but you know
44:06 in the global part of this project we
44:08 kept a farm or trees even in the native
44:11 growth protection area than we were we
44:13 could have taken out a bunch of trees
44:15 but in the global concept of this
44:17 project we left more trees in that in
44:19 that tract area than we we could have
44:21 taken some more down but we left we
44:23 wanted to be very conscientious about
44:25 the trees in that area
44:30 are there any new trees being planted in
44:33 the rear or you guys just maintaining
44:36 existing trees and if so do you have
44:39 Heights for those you know what Heights
44:41 will those eventually reach if there's
44:43 anything new planted back there I don't
44:45 see the landscape plan that there's any
44:47 in the back but we are maintaining of
44:50 course everything is there even
44:52 including building the the connecting
44:55 trail that's all gonna be done by hand
44:58 or small equipment where there's there
45:00 we going kind of meandering around that
45:03 to preserve that area okay Isaac Lee
45:06 walked up and down there several times
45:08 to see how that trail works and and how
45:09 the trees are there so it's very
45:11 conscientious about that thank you I
45:16 have a question
45:18 topic a so there's balconies that were
45:26 created on the townhouses false
45:27 balconies
45:28 why are those false balconies and why
45:31 wouldn't they be actual balconies is
45:33 something about the floorplan dictating
45:35 that those wouldn't be actual activated
45:38 spaces sure so this is just isolated to
45:42 that one that one unit at the end where
45:46 we have the en accessible faux balcony
45:50 so that that unit does have a balcony
45:53 off to the South elevation and that is a
45:58 fully active one the the interior
46:05 elements that are there is a bathroom
46:06 and a walk-in closet which really don't
46:09 lend itself well to having just about
46:12 coming off of it and largely that was
46:17 that change was kind of brought to bring
46:20 it in line with with the rest of the see
46:28 I'm sorry trying to bring this up so you
46:33 can see here these all have that
46:37 consistent kind of balcony off the front
46:40 above the entry at a 45
46:43 and this one really departed from that
46:46 that design we're here we kind of
46:50 brought it much more in line with the
46:51 rest of the townhomes creating a kind of
46:54 more consistent rhythm and design
46:58 language so this this balcony here would
47:01 be the only inaccessible one but you can
47:04 see that it's peeking out you bring the
47:06 enlarged elevation and back up I think
47:08 it's the next slide there so on the
47:13 proposed on the construction proposal
47:15 you've got a blank wall now that appears
47:18 help me understand what's going on there
47:20 and what's the treatment of that wall
47:25 that is the that is the access to the
47:31 stair that is the the stair shaft for
47:37 the building that goes along here it
47:39 comes out there it it does talkback
47:42 largely just because of the the kind of
47:44 oblique view that this one has but I'm
47:51 not sure yeah we'll check the drawings
47:55 are not sure is a conk rendering is is
47:58 correctly representing that wall yeah
48:03 because that treatment is inconsistent
48:04 with what we're seeing elsewhere it
48:06 stands out so yeah I see what you're
48:09 seeing it wouldn't it well yeah because
48:20 you know when you're looking in two
48:22 dimensions on construction drawings we
48:25 unless we took a section through there
48:27 we wouldn't even represent that wall
48:29 necessarily the construction drawings so
48:33 but I will say this I it does not make
48:36 sense to just end sighting and not put
48:40 any cladding or any siting on that wall
48:42 will have to need some sort of treatment
48:46 obviously it's consistent with the
48:48 treatment on the adjacent spaces just so
48:51 it matches up in the in the SDP version
48:55 there's that the
48:56 yellow paint wraps around the corner and
49:00 then there's the the darker face my
49:02 other side like a canopy that's partway
49:04 up maybe covering that walkway in there
49:08 these are not intended to be
49:11 construction supplements or anything
49:13 like that this is this was made after
49:16 our construction documents were were
49:18 generated and we were kind of we were
49:23 aiming to get into this meeting and so
49:25 it was a significant effort to get all
49:29 of these grinds done so these will not
49:31 be a hundred percent representative of
49:33 the CDs so I think your keen eyes have
49:36 certainly caught one area that it's not
49:40 representative of the CDs excuse me so
49:45 we're in the East elevation here is that
49:47 correct Kirk's because we're seeing a
49:50 little different representation our
49:52 packets right from what you've had here
49:54 our packets have it's a bit of apples
49:57 noir just because our packets have the
49:59 line drawings on the bottom and they
50:01 like the color that you have and they
50:03 also have lots of call-outs on them and
50:06 I'm referring to a call-out in the
50:08 original packet on the East elevation of
50:10 GA and there are other call-outs like
50:13 this that recur throughout this plan and
50:15 in certain areas like this windows have
50:18 been added in areas like that and I'm
50:21 wondering if those are stairwell areas
50:24 you mentioned stairwell areas a minute
50:27 ago regarding all Afghan to the east
50:29 elevation I'm wondering if J is a
50:31 stairwell set of stairwell so I don't
50:35 know if you remember but we were talking
50:38 a bit about this babying shrunk a little
50:41 bit and that was a direct result of the
50:49 increase in this one so this is actually
50:53 resident storage that we it was a narrow
50:58 space that we allocated to resident
50:59 storage but once you accounted for
51:02 accessibility requirements it became in
51:07 functional and so we couldn't allocate
51:10 it and so that's that two and a half
51:12 foot increase that we spoke of earlier
51:14 was added to this and during that time
51:18 we were able to also add in those
51:21 windows to enliven that that area okay
51:23 and behind my question I'm wondering in
51:26 areas like that where windows have been
51:28 added in the new versions another one is
51:30 AI and in our plans I'm wondering what
51:34 the lighting is behind those windows is
51:36 that bare stairwell lighting that's
51:39 visible from the street or what kind of
51:41 lighting in general is behind those
51:43 windows that have now been added so this
51:48 one here as I said is resident storage
51:51 it could take a quick look at the floor
51:57 plan to see if it would be the interior
51:58 hall I think it actually might be the
52:00 inside of a resident storage unit and
52:03 then the other one the AI that you're
52:05 talking about that is a living unit that
52:08 is a bedroom someone's bedroom okay so
52:10 these are not new stairwells that are
52:13 gonna be exposed lighting from the
52:14 street these are not new sterile it's
52:16 okay thank you
52:23 can you give me a sense of relief
52:26 between the ground floor of this
52:29 building and then it rises 60 feet 60
52:32 odd feet and thats relationship to the
52:35 homes behind it or the homes behind it
52:38 above the top of the roof you have a
52:43 sight section or anything like that let
52:48 me pull something
53:23 you
54:10 I'm gonna guess that looking at the
54:12 city's lidar that mr. Campbell's home is
54:17 maybe at elevation 210 and at the front
54:22 of the site is at about less than 80 so
54:29 there's a fair amount of vertical
54:34 elevation change so the building is
54:38 fairly significantly below it and I was
54:44 just gonna say at some point I don't
54:46 know that we have a landscape plan or
54:50 construction but I have the site
54:52 development permit plan with the
54:55 landscape plan from that that does give
54:58 a sense of the trees that were being
55:00 planted on that if the project on the
55:06 site that's not on the roof and I guess
55:08 what I was driving at is is this roof
55:10 highly visible and and yeah I assume
55:14 it's a flat roof that's a membrane of
55:18 some sort mechanical equipment and then
55:22 that's screen but that screen from
55:25 perspective of a person's view on the
55:29 street or it's at a distance or it's
55:31 screened okay but if you are above it
55:37 looking down at this building you just
55:40 see the top of the building I'm just
55:42 trying to get a sense of that
55:43 perspective more than anything from from
55:48 there 2016 we did kind of address this
55:53 back at that point and the tree line is
55:58 a was kind of a agreed that that would
56:02 act as the the screen for stuff I mean
56:06 there's only so much screening that you
56:08 can do from a high elevation I mean you
56:11 can eventually see the top of the roof
56:12 we we did go into a significant detail
56:15 about the exact color of the roof not
56:20 there are certain Issaquah standards
56:22 that
56:23 prevent heat island effect but so that
56:26 also makes a very bright roof but we
56:30 tried to compromise between a low or a
56:33 high SR I solar reflectance index and a
56:37 not glaring bright white roof at you and
56:41 so we did take significant effort to
56:45 kind of
56:48 Gallants those balances and that was
56:50 really my next questions what color is
56:52 that roof is it highly reflective is it
56:54 bright yeah it's a kind of middle green
56:59 light grey yeah so okay thank you
57:07 in addition to that I are there large
57:12 HVAC units up on the roof and will those
57:14 be screened I mean yes there are some
57:17 HVAC units on the roof all of those have
57:22 been screened some of the staff comments
57:25 or some of those call-outs reference
57:29 raised parapets
57:31 and the reasoning behind those rates
57:34 parapets is for to properly screen do
57:37 HVAC units so we've either positioned
57:41 them centrally in the roof in some areas
57:44 and those that we had to position
57:47 somewhat close to the edge I mean we
57:49 didn't throw it up on the edge but any
57:52 any proximity to it we made sure that
57:54 the parapet was able to screen those
57:59 thank you more questions to us I
58:15 understand we're not you know we're not
58:16 intended to go through every line item
58:18 of the table of the changes but I if you
58:22 don't mind I had a couple questions on
58:24 those that I didn't I didn't understand
58:26 and this would be on building two and
58:30 it's item J a page 23 of 31 an item J
58:38 I'm trying to figure out
58:44 what that means all right we're playing
58:56 with technologies so we just put that up
58:58 on your screen so you can see it so are
59:24 you questioning whether like what that
59:26 changes actually I'm just I'm trying to
59:29 understand
59:31 I understand both the original and what
59:33 the change is so the roof over the
59:35 second-floor unit is low sloped roof
59:37 with no parapet I was actually just
59:40 trying to find that basically what
59:44 happened was the roof basically just the
59:49 height increased that was it it's very
59:52 minimal but that way you're showing
59:55 there is actually the roof okay yes yeah
59:59 so you can see here that just the
1:00:07 side-by-side comparison you can see that
1:00:09 this just raised a little bit for the
1:00:11 parapet we just needed additional height
1:00:14 at the roof a level 2 - hi
1:00:18 to conceal the cricketing and whatnot
1:00:20 they needed to drain the roof properly
1:00:23 so something that we we modeled very
1:00:26 quickly or not very quickly but we
1:00:28 modeled quickly before the the sign
1:00:31 development permit and then when you get
1:00:33 into the more specifics of where does
1:00:36 the rain flow what sort of clearances do
1:00:38 you need before you can terminate the
1:00:40 parapet all of that so I just required
1:00:44 bringing that pair pit height just up a
1:00:48 little bit okay thank you and in then
1:00:54 which is also on the south side building
1:01:02 to south beside so I believe that one is
1:01:11 just referencing the difference in how
1:01:15 the material treatment was yeah so in
1:01:19 which location this one right here
1:01:23 okay so we've just kind of treated
1:01:29 treated it a little bit differently
1:01:31 trying to get it consistent where we
1:01:34 didn't split the color on a window edge
1:01:36 which we in the SDP we we did but tried
1:01:41 to bring it more consistent with the
1:01:43 rest of the project where we don't split
1:01:45 a color on the window edge yeah thank
1:01:49 NYC man well we're still on South
1:01:52 elevation building two in our drawings
1:01:55 which I think you had on the other slide
1:01:56 there the original rendition we received
1:02:00 it there appears to be a kind of it
1:02:02 looks like almost an overhang yeah was
1:02:06 yeah right there
1:02:10 South elevation building two I'm looking
1:02:17 the original right above it up there
1:02:20 there appears to be you see there's kind
1:02:22 of an overhang there on the lower right
1:02:25 there appears to be an overhang yes and
1:02:28 I don't know if that's an entrance
1:02:29 associated with that I wonder what
1:02:32 happened to that I don't lower that
1:02:35 still exists it's just the the previous
1:02:39 iteration was drawn 3d and model
1:02:42 exported into various forms perspectives
1:02:46 as well as these 2d elevations and so
1:02:48 there actually are a number of artifacts
1:02:51 where that's that's actually the front
1:02:53 entry that you see up in the upper left
1:02:56 corner there to back so it's just it's a
1:02:59 hundred feet back okay we didn't draw a
1:03:02 line by line in dekat
1:03:05 an autocad version thanks for clear they
1:03:07 were young yeah that was yeah it was a
1:03:09 challenge because the drawing
1:03:11 conventions from an SDP level drawing is
1:03:15 going to they're going to show some of
1:03:17 those those features that are further
1:03:19 away right when they're drawing it but
1:03:22 when they're doing the building drawings
1:03:24 they're not trying to show they're
1:03:27 trying to show the actual facade not
1:03:29 some of those things that are further
1:03:31 away and so I think that's why they
1:03:34 produce that other set of drawings that
1:03:36 they've been using tonight because
1:03:38 they're drawn more consistently and so
1:03:41 you don't have those things that
1:03:43 appeared to be disappearing what we're
1:03:44 hearing yes it's when it's just a change
1:03:47 in drawing convention thank you well
1:03:50 said also I'm building to a question for
1:04:00 staff let's see call-out you you was
1:04:04 referred to in the table in the West
1:04:07 elevation I can't find that label on the
1:04:09 drawings was that omitted or am I just
1:04:12 not seeing it that would be the West
1:04:14 elevation of building - I believe s was
1:04:19 duplicated there are actually two S's
1:04:21 I've there's an S on the other elevation
1:04:25 I believe that s is intended to be the
1:04:27 you that's the you okay okay yeah I
1:04:29 could be wrong but this is my assumption
1:04:31 okay I thought it was just referring to
1:04:34 a similar structure in both that's why
1:04:36 you had the two S's but it was just
1:04:38 duplicated yeah okay thank you
1:04:41 and we assume there is no rooftop use
1:04:45 is that correct correct and that's the
1:04:54 same case for retail I imagine right
1:04:55 this is all yeah residential retail you
1:05:03 explained on East elevation building one
1:05:06 letter G what the reasoning of the
1:05:10 removal of that landscaping was I'm
1:05:12 looking at the before and after and
1:05:14 maybe the after is not colored and
1:05:17 that's why I'm not seeing it but it
1:05:18 looks like it's been removed is that
1:05:19 correct yes I think that goes back to
1:05:23 the design conventions or just drawing
1:05:27 conventions this the the landscaping is
1:05:31 not really within the architectural
1:05:34 design and so that is within the the
1:05:39 landscape design drawings but we don't
1:05:42 show it here because it's not under our
1:05:45 purview
1:05:45 so that planter is still there yeah the
1:05:49 planter yeah I can show it a little bit
1:05:59 in them so this is showing the the two
1:06:06 versions here so you were seeing plants
1:06:10 along this edge here and then here that
1:06:14 that same condition exists this has been
1:06:16 a more developed courtyard it was one of
1:06:20 the SDP approval conditions to develop
1:06:23 this to kind of the the city staff
1:06:28 standards so we we worked with amy tarce
1:06:31 at the time very thoroughly to come up
1:06:35 with this solution and then i can show
1:06:38 you one more photo that kind of shows it
1:06:40 off whoops
1:06:49 so that's kind of okay shows you a
1:06:54 different angles of that same courtyard
1:06:55 so this is this is the construction
1:06:58 drawing version thank you
1:07:03 we're not showing the vertical plant
1:07:05 elements that would be there we're just
1:07:07 kind of showing a generic dream paint
1:07:09 but using a little imagination you can
1:07:13 do that there definitely will be some
1:07:14 vertical greenery that happens okay
1:07:19 did we go back to building one South
1:07:21 elevation for a moment I'm looking at
1:07:25 the packet drawings that we received
1:07:28 I'll be referring to those okay and do
1:07:42 you have our packet rendition of that
1:07:45 the 2ds line drawing yeah great thank
1:07:49 you so down in the lower right the T and
1:07:53 u area of that South elevation when I
1:07:56 saw it just on the line drawing it looks
1:07:58 like there's a lot going on in there I
1:08:00 couldn't really decode with that area
1:08:01 what that was about
1:08:03 so probably your color rendition would
1:08:07 be helpful and again it looks like above
1:08:11 it there's an overhang there that
1:08:13 doesn't appear below and is that the
1:08:15 same kind of condition that we had
1:08:16 before it's a result of a CAD export yes
1:08:19 yeah okay so it's actually recessed just
1:08:26 that whole tu area look not as
1:08:28 harmonious to me as some of the rest of
1:08:30 the design no we're trying to get it to
1:08:33 full screen so there was a few things
1:08:44 that happened to the South facade the
1:08:46 kind of floors three through six thing
1:08:51 that we went into detail about the unit
1:08:54 changing and whatnot but yes this
1:08:57 townhome did change a bit the grading
1:09:01 was the large proponent of what happened
1:09:04 to this South facade here as you can see
1:09:09 we kept the grade fairly consistently
1:09:12 low for a while and then started to kind
1:09:15 of climb based on a fire marshals
1:09:21 requirement that we provide a a path not
1:09:25 only on this side earning me not only on
1:09:27 the the far side the north side but on
1:09:29 this side as well that we
1:09:32 it's a full full path around it we had
1:09:37 to regrade this area
1:09:39 and that did kind of eat away a little
1:09:44 bit of our ability to Fenna straight or
1:09:48 add Windows to this this section that
1:09:52 then now becomes kind of subgrade so in
1:09:56 the new version that's a townhome on the
1:09:58 far right that we're looking at there
1:10:00 then yes okay all right thank you
1:10:05 what is that transition between yellow
1:10:08 and white does that a reveal a vertical
1:10:11 reveal will show that transition or is
1:10:14 it just paint a paint it is a vertical
1:10:17 revealed yeah it's a it's a reg let's
1:10:21 order this would be kind of Hardy panel
1:10:24 fibrous cements asks material and the
1:10:29 that would just be some reg let holder
1:10:34 that is transitions between the two
1:10:39 well building one the North elevation
1:10:43 and there's an addition of a screen wall
1:10:46 so on our plan it's it's number V yeah
1:10:54 this is a new wall that's at the very
1:10:58 north end of the project then as your so
1:11:01 as you're driving south on Newports way
1:11:03 you would see this this green wall okay
1:11:07 kid yes and that was a commission
1:11:09 requirement condition of approval okay
1:11:12 and then and that's where the sign is
1:11:14 created on where the sign is proposed we
1:11:19 haven't done a sign permit yet you have
1:11:28 a 3d that would show where that sign is
1:11:31 then we do not the the sign itself is a
1:11:38 has to be submitted under a separate
1:11:41 permit so we chose to omit that to
1:11:44 clarify what what is under this permit
1:11:48 that we're seeking as opposed to
1:11:50 something that may or may not get
1:11:53 approved later on so okay yeah so on so
1:11:57 on the East elevation it's shown as a do
1:12:02 you have a shot of the East elevation
1:12:03 and I'm just gonna switch over cuz yeah
1:12:15 and so this is representative I guess of
1:12:20 these materials the materials did shift
1:12:23 between this this one here we've
1:12:26 actually we did model this as a as that
1:12:34 kind of tan hardy panel sidle sighting
1:12:38 option it and unfortunately did did not
1:12:42 look within the this 2d CD drawings it I
1:12:49 think it looks fairly okay but when we
1:12:51 modelled it here and had it
1:12:52 the 3d it just it was surprising to us
1:12:56 how unfitting it was so that's something
1:12:59 that we wanted to present our best foot
1:13:02 forward and since this was something new
1:13:04 to the design commission it was
1:13:06 something that we were going to move
1:13:07 forward with into the the CDs when we
1:13:11 submit for our third round of planchette
1:13:14 connection Corrections in terms of what
1:13:16 this wall will look like yes green wall
1:13:19 okay yeah and is it two different would
1:13:22 it be two different materials like it's
1:13:23 shown so the stone here is actually so
1:13:37 yes you're actually seeing this
1:13:40 transition here where yeah yeah both
1:13:44 kind of showing the same book in here so
1:13:46 you're you're seeing part of the screen
1:13:47 wall and then part of the the retaining
1:13:49 told me okay I thought it was all part
1:13:52 of this thing yeah I think this is the
1:13:54 screen was that stone don't you look
1:13:59 that we had yes okay so that that screen
1:14:03 wall is still subject to staff approval
1:14:05 and what that looks like and that right
1:14:09 yes right word I mean we're implementing
1:14:13 your approval can do yeah I mean we can
1:14:20 okay we can at this point either either
1:14:23 option is certainly something that we
1:14:27 can do where we can do the panel siding
1:14:29 and that tan color we we felt that the
1:14:33 best presentation was that kind of dark
1:14:36 gray lap and that that presented the
1:14:39 best aesthetic I think in the SDP
1:14:43 approval condition stating this it had
1:14:47 to be a screen wall consistent with the
1:14:51 materials of the building so we did use
1:14:54 the the materials either the the tan
1:14:57 panel but when we were looking at it it
1:15:01 still was a little jarring between the
1:15:03 two having that one down down
1:15:06 on the ground level where it doesn't
1:15:07 exist anywhere else like that it's
1:15:09 always at the higher levels so that's
1:15:13 where we kind of pivoted what we felt
1:15:17 was a better aesthetic to present to you
1:15:19 it could be a section in the middle as
1:15:22 the background for whatever your signage
1:15:23 is yeah another question on a building
1:15:44 to South elevation its marked chi in our
1:15:50 packet I don't see a rating on that I
1:15:54 assume it's not a diminish anyway I
1:16:02 think you were asking about stairwells
1:16:05 that is actually windows added to some
1:16:09 stairwells here right I apologize I was
1:16:13 not trying to slide this one under the
1:16:15 radar I forgot about it
1:16:17 yeah I assumed that that's that was what
1:16:20 it was it's directly positioned over the
1:16:21 door there and it was and those windows
1:16:23 are radically right aligned so it had to
1:16:25 be over something probably like a
1:16:27 stairwell mm-hmm so is lighting visible
1:16:30 through those from the end so I think
1:16:33 first off I would like to say that this
1:16:36 element here comes out I can't give an
1:16:43 exact figure but I believe it comes out
1:16:44 maybe about four feet or so and those
1:16:47 windows are tucked kind of hard to that
1:16:51 side so from the from the street
1:16:54 perspective I'm not sure how much you're
1:16:58 going to be able to see these windows
1:16:59 and six and a half feet back so this
1:17:04 this wall comes out six and a half feet
1:17:08 proud of this wall here so from this
1:17:12 street perspective those may be
1:17:14 invisible windows we we've added it for
1:17:19 for aesthetic of the building and a hole
1:17:22 as a whole but that may be minimal value
1:17:27 to passerby okay and only to the
1:17:31 resident and occupants okay
1:17:35 I noticed in the before drawings which
1:17:39 are the color drawings on the North
1:17:42 facade and I guess really the South
1:17:43 facade - I'm seeing a solid garage door
1:17:47 verse the construction drawings are
1:17:49 shown in a mesh is that an open mesh I
1:17:51 mean are we seen into the garage so
1:17:54 these ones are actually this is a open
1:17:58 garage in the approved STP and then we
1:18:03 ended up screening that so that is a
1:18:07 mesh metal mesh I what's that okay
1:18:16 I'm sorry it's called a metal grille on
1:18:17 our charts and drawings yeah okay
1:18:21 so prior to that it was open we did have
1:18:25 a more I think in the initial drawings
1:18:29 before it even came to the Commission we
1:18:32 had a more open garage where there was
1:18:34 multiple entry points we ended up
1:18:37 closing that out through various staff
1:18:41 input along the front elevation and so
1:18:45 once we kind of created this area we
1:18:47 wanted to fully secure it since there
1:18:50 wasn't multiple eyes on the street
1:18:53 viewpoints
1:18:56 while we're on this elevation regarding
1:19:00 lighting are there actual poles along
1:19:05 the stairwell leading up to the rear of
1:19:08 the building I'm trying to picture what
1:19:10 I'm seeing during the night time for mr.
1:19:12 Campbell's perspective or is it really
1:19:15 just you know wall pax on the you know
1:19:18 above the doors and the garage door are
1:19:21 there actual you know pote like posts or
1:19:25 you know the stairwell the Lance are you
1:19:28 you're saying the interior stairwell or
1:19:30 this exterior the exterior with the is
1:19:33 the fire so the landscape lighting is
1:19:36 handled within the the landscaping plans
1:19:39 I can pull those up but I don't have
1:19:42 information up in my brain on that one
1:19:45 so just write a better scene I've done
1:19:49 the lighting with you yet okay because
1:19:53 there are critical areas there and
1:19:56 neighbors that might very well be motion
1:20:01 sensors so that it isn't on all night so
1:20:07 that would certainly be something they
1:20:12 would have to do it at some point
1:20:14 I see okay thank you
1:20:23 more questions I don't know this this
1:20:28 isn't pertaining to the changes have
1:20:30 been made but the question the mr.
1:20:32 Campbell brought up of the colors of the
1:20:34 building on the hillside and seems like
1:20:38 our code is written and things have been
1:20:39 drawn out so then when we when we look
1:20:42 at things like this we see like if it
1:20:44 was open to all sides in reality this
1:20:47 building just faces a hill and truly the
1:20:50 only people I think they would ever see
1:20:52 that side would be the neighbors up
1:20:53 above a question that I guess would it
1:20:56 would it be possible to have a more
1:20:59 muted paint scheme on the west side of
1:21:02 the building and we have on the street
1:21:04 side even those differences and I you
1:21:08 know maybe it's something we should have
1:21:09 discussed and are you're gonna prove
1:21:11 over whatever but yeah I think it brings
1:21:13 up an interesting point one here would
1:21:15 you think about that um I I think well I
1:21:21 don't think we talked about that before
1:21:25 mr. Campbell brought it up I don't
1:21:27 remember but his memory of three years
1:21:29 it was better than mine not asking you
1:21:36 to I'm just I'm just trying to be
1:21:38 respectful of that I don't remember all
1:21:41 of your comments and I may not have
1:21:44 attended it you were so I think that
1:21:52 there are I'm trying to remember before
1:21:56 the design manual um I don't I don't
1:21:59 think there are requirements for this
1:22:02 some of the some of the color division
1:22:05 but that happens at the third floor
1:22:09 between the third and the fourth floor I
1:22:11 believe that is a requirement but what
1:22:17 the material or color change at that
1:22:21 point is it just has to be
1:22:24 [Music]
1:22:25 the word visible or perceptible it
1:22:30 doesn't necessarily have to be to this
1:22:33 extent so I think that's missionary I
1:22:39 think when we were developing this and
1:22:42 going through the kind of coordination
1:22:44 and back and forth with the the city
1:22:48 staff at the time there was an effort to
1:22:51 not ignore this rear facade and to give
1:22:55 it as as much viewing and attention as
1:23:01 the the other facades and so we we did
1:23:05 try and create a cohesive facade and not
1:23:07 have this be a blank wall because we
1:23:09 that was that was certainly something
1:23:11 that we couldn't do is just make a
1:23:14 straight flat blank wall make it cheap
1:23:16 make it easy and and just paint it one
1:23:19 color that's I mean it's not something
1:23:22 we wanted to do but it was also
1:23:24 something that we we couldn't do through
1:23:27 the central secret of central is quad
1:23:29 design standards so I think with this
1:23:35 one you can see that we we definitely
1:23:37 tried to create and maintain a cohesive
1:23:40 facade and design standard design
1:23:43 language between all four facades of
1:23:45 this building is there any is there any
1:23:49 is it all because of materials or is
1:23:52 there any chance that you would be able
1:23:53 to reduce the number of colors on the
1:23:58 backside of the building I mean I
1:24:00 appreciate essentially everything you've
1:24:02 said and in terms of the modulation and
1:24:05 it's all very attractive but
1:24:08 if I made Bob wins all the developer in
1:24:12 it you may not recollect but when we
1:24:15 talk in a specifically about the color
1:24:17 of the building when we first came to
1:24:20 the Planning Commission we spent several
1:24:23 hours going through the specific cues
1:24:26 and colors of the each and every
1:24:28 component of the building with the
1:24:31 Planning Commission to come up with a
1:24:32 scheme like this we we we probably had
1:24:35 six different colors of the mustard of
1:24:38 the yellow that the Planning Commission
1:24:39 looked at reviewed we'd Gurjit ated that
1:24:43 for a long time so we are fine with with
1:24:48 changing but we spent an enormous amount
1:24:50 of time coming up with this specific
1:24:53 color scheme just and I guess I'm I'm
1:24:55 thinking that that we looked at it
1:24:57 perhaps much more from the Newport way
1:24:59 aha view of it and people going north
1:25:01 and south and we spent a lot of time
1:25:04 considering what was behind and as much
1:25:08 as I and I've been up with the new
1:25:10 houses also and I think we even drove up
1:25:15 there to kind of get a view and the view
1:25:17 changes from from spring to winter there
1:25:19 because there is a fair amount of
1:25:21 deciduous trees in the open space so as
1:25:24 the you know leaves come off you're
1:25:26 going to see more of the building than
1:25:29 you do in the summer but we spent a lot
1:25:31 of time on the color but we can still we
1:25:33 can you know make it I'm not sure if
1:25:36 softer is the word but you know we can
1:25:41 we can manage that but we did spend a
1:25:43 tremendous amount of time on and I guess
1:25:45 at this point I wouldn't you know we've
1:25:47 approved this with this color scheme and
1:25:49 everything so I don't think it's our
1:25:51 point to come back and say no we want to
1:25:52 change that now but if there was
1:25:54 something you came up with it he felt
1:25:57 was softer or you were a color something
1:26:01 that the neighbors would appreciate I
1:26:04 guess I would encourage that yeah I'm in
1:26:10 agreement with commissioner Morgan as
1:26:12 well I think for me the the code that
1:26:14 really stands out is the yellow I would
1:26:17 encourage maybe the exploration of Tony
1:26:20 down a little bit it may not have to be
1:26:23 back right it may not have to be all
1:26:25 around the sides right maybe I just
1:26:27 perhaps the rear I'm not gonna defend
1:26:29 the yellow but I will tell you there's
1:26:31 if you're a color person I kind of
1:26:34 consider myself someone that is not what
1:26:36 we presented and we don't have the
1:26:38 actual swatch here it would be
1:26:40 interesting that is coming off very
1:26:42 bright very yellow what I've got here is
1:26:47 more of a gold goldish color again maybe
1:26:52 for some of us it's still yellow maybe
1:26:54 gold yeah but there isn't that isn't the
1:26:57 color yellow particularly shifted up
1:27:00 there with your ear display if the
1:27:06 Commission remembered we had about four
1:27:08 or five different swatches of the of the
1:27:11 mustard as I call it that's right and we
1:27:14 had we had boards that we'd painted and
1:27:16 things like that and again at least from
1:27:19 the developer side of things you know
1:27:22 I'm cognizant of the houses I build
1:27:24 houses on a residential builder also so
1:27:27 truly the only people that are gonna
1:27:29 ever see the back of this building is
1:27:31 the neighbors in some fashion and so you
1:27:37 know for me it could be a very plain you
1:27:41 know color but then we also get back to
1:27:44 the planning and design requirements
1:27:48 then how do you manage that well so can
1:28:00 i it's real quick so first of all this
1:28:04 we've approved this permit and we're not
1:28:06 reopening all aspects the permit we just
1:28:08 we were asked to way back in on some
1:28:10 design modifications book that means
1:28:12 said I think there needs clearly needs
1:28:14 to be sensitivity to what's going on
1:28:16 behind so we already heard some comments
1:28:18 about the light and glare and being
1:28:19 really creative and ensuring that and I
1:28:23 know there are standards in the city's
1:28:24 code prevent light and glare to spill
1:28:27 across property lines but
1:28:28 to make sure that that you're attentive
1:28:32 to that and you know with selection of
1:28:35 lights and or blinds etc to minimize any
1:28:38 clear that might have spill as far as
1:28:41 the color goes I mean it's it's we get
1:28:43 into discussions about color a lot and
1:28:45 everybody has an opinion it's kind of
1:28:47 like art sometimes I like it I don't
1:28:49 like it and so you know if we start
1:28:52 changing the colors to the design maybe
1:28:53 mr. Campbell would appreciate a muted a
1:28:55 more muted facade here maybe the yellows
1:28:59 or suggested others may not that see the
1:29:03 back side of this building so I'm
1:29:04 careful about if we're gonna do
1:29:06 something wanna maybe ask some other
1:29:08 folks some for some opinions but that
1:29:11 being said we've approved a project
1:29:13 already with us color scheme and so
1:29:16 let's be cautious about what we do here
1:29:19 in directing otherwise other than I do
1:29:21 agree with the point about being
1:29:23 sensitive to what the people who are
1:29:26 going to view this facade of the
1:29:28 building are going to see and
1:29:29 particularly when it comes to something
1:29:30 that's overly harsh on as far as bright
1:29:33 or particularly lighting so that that's
1:29:36 just my my take on this yeah I think
1:29:40 it's it's really important to realize
1:29:41 what we're here for right and it's not
1:29:43 to change the design it's to look at the
1:29:45 proposal that was approved and the
1:29:49 modifications that have been made
1:29:50 because the construction requirements
1:29:51 and make a decision on whether we think
1:29:54 that they are as as I've been indicated
1:29:56 neutral or less than valuable or
1:30:00 valuable and and so I do it I do
1:30:04 appreciate the the concern for the color
1:30:08 but the fact is it is approved and so if
1:30:12 there's a way to work through that I
1:30:15 don't think any of us would be too upset
1:30:18 about the back of it but I agree with
1:30:19 the comment that was made that mr.
1:30:23 Brennan that we're going in deep water
1:30:27 once we start making those changes after
1:30:29 something we've already approved or even
1:30:30 asking for those changes and so I just
1:30:33 encourage us to keep our keep our
1:30:35 comment then maybe maybe if if there
1:30:37 aren't more questions we can
1:30:39 or and our comments now to any anything
1:30:44 that we need to do to give to city staff
1:30:46 on on whether we thought these changes
1:30:48 were significant or not significant or
1:30:50 whether we whether we I appreciate the
1:30:52 the city bringing it back to us and
1:30:54 giving us the opportunity to take a look
1:30:55 at it and having that dialogue because
1:30:57 some of them were born especially the
1:31:00 ones that diminished but and it that
1:31:01 were identified as being diminishing
1:31:04 were valuable to talk about you know for
1:31:06 sure has educated us to to maybe think a
1:31:09 little bit more about how how we approve
1:31:11 designs and we've got some aids to help
1:31:13 us do that in the future but so how
1:31:15 about comments on unless there are more
1:31:18 questions
1:31:19 I wonder if we want to go through their
1:31:21 questions that they wanted us to answer
1:31:22 okay let's see what those work it
1:31:27 sounded as if maybe Valerie had a
1:31:29 different questions in the for weekend
1:31:32 they're the same baby tweets a little
1:31:47 I think Valerie's simplified the number
1:31:51 of words to fit on a slide so the first
1:31:59 one is the per new proposal consistent
1:32:01 with the intent of the approved site
1:32:02 development permit elevations what are
1:32:06 your comments I would say yes vote agree
1:32:10 I would agree I had concerns mainly
1:32:13 about South elevation building one but
1:32:15 they were answered so I would say yes I
1:32:17 agree and we had that blank we'll also
1:32:19 the material selection just making sure
1:32:21 that we're consistent that's tear
1:32:26 willing yeah well entrance right yeah
1:32:28 and overall there was an effort to
1:32:31 reduce the appearance of blank walls and
1:32:33 be very sensitive to the articulation in
1:32:36 visual interests so I think it's a net
1:32:38 increase I agree as well I would again
1:32:43 encourage the exploration of that
1:32:45 material wrap at that southeast corner
1:32:47 so overall great improvement especially
1:32:49 on that southeast corner
1:32:58 is removing or notably altering exterior
1:33:02 elements such as the window design and
1:33:04 or layout consider a significant change
1:33:05 to building exterior I think it could
1:33:11 have been but it I don't think it was I
1:33:13 don't think it rises to the level of
1:33:15 significant especially since it's an
1:33:18 improvement
1:33:19 yeah I guess and maybe the one that does
1:33:24 not stick out anymore as the decks that
1:33:27 extended out that got wrapped around to
1:33:30 the other side and I don't think that
1:33:32 was a significant war if it was it was
1:33:36 to the better anything I agree I don't
1:33:39 think there were any significant changes
1:33:42 I appreciated taking some of the door
1:33:44 elements and adding some of the the the
1:33:47 window elements and within the doors too
1:33:49 so opening that up more agree
1:33:57 does the Development Commission
1:33:59 generally view increases to exterior
1:34:01 elements such as window size and shape
1:34:04 as an improvement to the overall
1:34:06 building facade
1:34:09 yes equal its equal or better I think
1:34:12 wasn't done
1:34:13 agreed agree and partly we're asking
1:34:17 these questions just to make sure that
1:34:18 the things that the lens that we
1:34:20 typically bring is consistent the
1:34:24 Commission to help us next time what are
1:34:33 the Commission's expectations in regards
1:34:35 to mitigating design changes that are
1:34:37 prompted by building and/or structural
1:34:40 code requirements I wonder if you could
1:34:44 give an example yeah and I wasn't quite
1:34:46 sure what that question man thinking for
1:34:49 example there was a raised parapet on
1:34:51 page 12 of 31 is that an example of what
1:34:54 we're talking about yes I believe that
1:34:56 is a code requirement of the mechanical
1:34:59 mechanical and then also there's the
1:35:02 code requirement for the garages which
1:35:06 also prompted the build the balconies to
1:35:08 switch correct or be relocated so those
1:35:25 are two examples in was a parapet
1:35:28 mechanical or was that a safety so it
1:35:31 was two things um central Issaquah
1:35:34 design standards we require that
1:35:36 mechanical equipment is screened and
1:35:39 then also there needed to be fall
1:35:42 protection so that's why they raise the
1:35:44 parapet
1:35:46 you clarify that what mitigating the
1:35:49 design changes what are you going for
1:35:50 there gating and what so just providing
1:35:53 some design solutions so in the in
1:35:55 regards to the HVAC having raised the
1:35:59 parapet that would have been considered
1:36:01 in mitigation I think sometimes the
1:36:07 requirements may result in a blank wall
1:36:12 or a different kind of like a solid door
1:36:15 instead of a decorative door and we're
1:36:21 just trying to
1:36:25 you know we hope that the applicant has
1:36:29 a good sense of you know we know they
1:36:31 have a good sense of the codes and that
1:36:33 they've anticipated these things but as
1:36:35 since many of you are architects you or
1:36:38 deal with that world know that until you
1:36:41 get in and you're having a building
1:36:44 official interpret something you may not
1:36:48 always anticipate it and so there are
1:36:51 sometimes changes that come up that
1:36:52 we're trying to figure out how to
1:36:57 mitigate and are we maintaining the
1:37:00 intent you know we're bringing our best
1:37:02 judgment trying to remember back to the
1:37:04 conversations that we've had with you
1:37:06 well at the same time not coming back
1:37:10 with every single thing as it goes we're
1:37:14 just trying to get a better sense is it
1:37:16 our X but I'm sorry is it our
1:37:17 expectation of you is that what you're
1:37:19 asking all right we're just trying to
1:37:22 understand your expectations both you
1:37:26 know with both the Costco permits and
1:37:28 this permit we've been putting a package
1:37:31 in front of you to understand how things
1:37:34 have evolved and and our standard is if
1:37:39 we're looking at a little elevation and
1:37:41 we can see changes we feel like we don't
1:37:45 want you driving by a project and saying
1:37:47 that isn't what we saw and and we're
1:37:51 learning I mean mr. Morgan identified
1:37:54 something on a Costco facade that I
1:37:56 would not have I had it called out but
1:37:59 having heard that called out that was a
1:38:01 tional to me because as soon as he said
1:38:05 it it's like yeah that is different and
1:38:07 we hadn't identified that so I I think
1:38:10 we're not trying to challenge you I
1:38:12 think we're just trying to have this
1:38:15 conversation to better understand your
1:38:18 level of sensitivities and and if you
1:38:23 don't have anything to add you it's okay
1:38:25 to say pass but we're just trying to
1:38:28 make sure that we're good stewards
1:38:31 Europe I think you are meeting our
1:38:33 expectations I was glad to see this back
1:38:36 they were significant enough that I felt
1:38:38 like it was worth it and and I also
1:38:41 thought you're critical I was important
1:38:45 in shaping it to even get it to this
1:38:47 point I'm sure so so no I think you're
1:38:50 meeting expectations I you know it's
1:38:53 it's a tough one to gauge not being on
1:38:54 your side of the fence all the time and
1:38:56 seeing how much is going on and the
1:39:00 level of detail that changes from one
1:39:02 point to the next obviously there is
1:39:04 life safety issues and building permit
1:39:07 issues mechanical issues all these
1:39:08 things that come into play you know but
1:39:10 good design and designers are you know
1:39:15 supposed to be able to feel that and
1:39:17 react and maintain the spirit in the
1:39:20 intent of the original scope especially
1:39:22 once it's been approved at this site
1:39:24 development permit level so I don't know
1:39:27 I'm rambling on a bit but I think you
1:39:29 are meeting our expectations I guess
1:39:31 well I'm comfortable too with staffs
1:39:33 ability to make the determination
1:39:35 whether these kinds of changes are
1:39:37 significant enough to bring to us and
1:39:39 tonight's a perfect example
1:39:42 I think I agree with both look
1:39:46 commissioners did you spoke but I think
1:39:48 for for me also thinking about the
1:39:51 original discussion and the approval and
1:39:53 the areas where we spent most of our
1:39:56 time and focus you know if there are
1:39:58 changes that happen in those areas
1:40:00 probably higher level of sensitivity
1:40:03 around changes but also saying that
1:40:07 there are as the project continues to go
1:40:09 through the construction and development
1:40:11 process and construction drawing
1:40:13 development there may be opportunities
1:40:14 to actually enhance the quality of the
1:40:17 design overall that you know maybe we
1:40:20 didn't see when we were here and so I
1:40:22 don't want to strap the hands of the
1:40:24 architects and the city staff either by
1:40:26 saying well don't let them change
1:40:27 anything when in fact they could be it
1:40:30 could be opportunities to make it better
1:40:31 that weren't available when it was in
1:40:34 front of us so that that is kind of a
1:40:37 bad looking back to the balance and
1:40:39 trying to use your judgment I think
1:40:41 there were enough changes and
1:40:42 significant enough changes in this
1:40:44 packet that warranted another discussion
1:40:46 here but I think the direction that it
1:40:49 went was consistent with what we would
1:40:50 expect well and I think you're bringing
1:40:53 up a good point
1:40:54 sure Brennan because it wasn't that we
1:40:58 necessarily viewed these as bad but they
1:41:01 it was just that there were a lot of
1:41:03 them and they were perceptible if you've
1:41:05 gone if you are the kind of person who
1:41:08 gives your packets or um goes back and
1:41:11 looks in the archive it just were they
1:41:14 were changes and we you know when you
1:41:16 swap one bay with a balcony bay with a
1:41:19 window bay it's not necessarily bad it's
1:41:22 just perceptibly different and I think
1:41:25 that's part of why it was important
1:41:29 one thing I think the you know the chart
1:41:32 of the changes and the improve neutral
1:41:35 diminished was very helpful and I think
1:41:37 especially for me to go through one by
1:41:40 one and see where I came down and and I
1:41:43 found that there was there was nothing
1:41:45 where I was I guess lower than you worse
1:41:48 than you where if you thought it was
1:41:50 improved and I thought it was just
1:41:51 neutral everything that was the same as
1:41:53 your judgment or I thought it was
1:41:55 improve or or neutral so that helped me
1:41:58 a lot both understanding all the changes
1:42:01 and sort of how I felt about him in
1:42:03 thinking we were pretty much in lying so
1:42:04 yeah I tallied up the checklist here
1:42:10 there's 21 improves it's exciting and
1:42:13 there was 30 neutrals and three negative
1:42:14 so I think it's a it's a net positive
1:42:17 when viewed through that lens so I think
1:42:19 it became a better project through that
1:42:22 process so I'm in agreement with my
1:42:26 fellow commissioners as well I you know
1:42:28 I appreciate you know the transparency
1:42:31 in the documentation that goes through
1:42:33 all this and you know keeps everything
1:42:35 in order I understand sometimes and
1:42:38 struggles that the applicants have in
1:42:40 terms of structural code building codes
1:42:42 and and I know they weigh their options
1:42:44 right they explore their options and
1:42:46 sometimes one option is the only option
1:42:49 left to proceed with so so I respect
1:42:53 that and I mean obviously for what we've
1:42:55 seen today there are a lot more positive
1:43:00 changes that have come as a result of
1:43:03 the differences we've looked at
1:43:06 especially the southeast corner to I
1:43:08 think that it's a much better better
1:43:10 revised corner so again just a perfect
1:43:13 example of how things change evolve and
1:43:16 you know as the real world does right
1:43:18 and we just have to be a little bit more
1:43:20 receptive for them to that I think so
1:43:22 so thank you staff and applicant
1:43:27 all right those are all the questions I
1:43:31 want to thank you guys for your time
1:43:35 just to make sure I caught everything I
1:43:37 want to go to a couple items that I
1:43:40 think the applicator I need to go back
1:43:42 and address one of those as the
1:43:45 treatment on the wall next to the faux
1:43:48 balcony that entrance so they're showing
1:43:52 a blank wall that needs some kind of
1:43:53 treatment to eliminate that okay and I
1:44:01 think it had some kind of cover on that
1:44:03 that extended out yes oh now that it
1:44:06 goes all the way back without any kind
1:44:08 of cover
1:44:08 oh okay so you'd also like to see
1:44:13 possibly a cover over that although
1:44:15 there may just be there it looks to me
1:44:18 like there is a cover but it's tucked
1:44:19 further go down a little bit here right
1:44:21 there yeah oh just talked it's just a
1:44:26 question so it may be treating the walk
1:44:28 primarily treating the walls
1:44:33 we need to ensure that the HVAC
1:44:35 equipment is properly screened we also
1:44:44 need to address lighting make sure that
1:44:48 we're attentive to light and glare that
1:44:52 may be be seen from off-site we should
1:44:57 probably consider some motion sensors or
1:44:59 something of that nature and should and
1:45:05 we should also be looking at the rear
1:45:07 facade the colors on there possibly
1:45:10 reducing the number of colors or at
1:45:12 least limiting that yellow or mustard
1:45:14 color and that was our apologies Valerie
1:45:19 and I turned to each other and said we
1:45:20 should have brought the materials are
1:45:26 there any other takeaways that we should
1:45:29 eat not've alright well thank you again
1:45:35 for your time oh yes
1:45:40 so my question is if we do take a look
1:45:44 at kind of that rear elevation and those
1:45:46 colors we went through a significant
1:45:49 effort on the first time are you then
1:45:53 proposing that we come back to this and
1:45:57 the projects approved yeah okay projects
1:46:00 already been approved and what working
1:46:02 with staff is what we were suggesting we
1:46:04 have a good sense of what Commission's
1:46:07 okay thank you
1:46:11 um would you like to see that so I
1:46:22 failed to one of the requirements I have
1:46:25 is to identify unexcused unexcused board
1:46:29 commission members and we have to mark
1:46:31 rigs and Nishida venkatesh those are not
1:46:36 excused absences we have two other
1:46:39 people not here
1:46:40 Brook Shore and Ben Rusch both of those
1:46:42 are excused so just to get that on the
1:46:44 record we do really appreciate you know
1:46:48 I think your presentation from the
1:46:50 applicant was very good and we really
1:46:52 appreciate that our member of the public
1:46:57 made some good points and you've
1:46:59 educated us in a way that part may or
1:47:03 may not help you but it's going to help
1:47:05 us in the future and once again I want
1:47:07 to reiterate how valuable we we as a
1:47:11 commission feel public input is and
1:47:15 sometimes we're comes constrained by law
1:47:17 and rules and regulations and that we're
1:47:21 comfortable with that we're okay with
1:47:22 that but when we can when we can be more
1:47:26 user friendly if you will we try real
1:47:28 hard to do that so thank you I think
1:47:32 with that unless there any further
1:47:34 comments or concerns we'll consider our
1:47:37 meeting adjourned

Attendance

Council / Members (6)
Richard Sowa
Mel Morgan
Michael Brennan
Kevin Price
Richard Sanford
Arthur Schulte, Alt.
Staff (2)
Lucy Sloman , Land Development Mgr.
Valerie Porter, Associate Planner
Excused
Ben Rush
Brooke Shore
Mark Rigos, Alt. (Not Excused)
Nischitha Venkatesh, Alt. (Not Excused)
Guests (3)
Ric Tolleshaug, Milbrandt Architects
David Burnett, Milbrandt Architects
project owner

Recommendations & actions (12)

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  • a) It was the consensus of all Commissioners present that minutes of the Development Commission meeting on November 20, 2019 be approved as presented.
  • She said tonight we will be discussing design changes that occurred after the SDP was approved.
  • She displayed comparisons of the approved SDP for Buildings I and II versus the construction drawings, and described the changes.
  • He gave some background on the project, and noted that the SDP, which was approved in December 2016, included 55 conditions.
  • He said we have tried to stay true to the design concept approved by the Commission.
  • He concluded his remarks by stating that the applicant team believes the proposed facades in the construction drawings are substantially similar to the SDP facades approved by the Commission.
  • He asked staff to provide their thoughts on the possibility of having a more muted color scheme on that side.
  • Tolleshaug and Wenzel spoke about the time and effort they spent with the City to identify the shade of yellow that was eventually approved.
  • We have a project that has already been approved, but that said, he agrees with the points made earlier about being sensitive to those residents who will look at this project, particularly lighting concerns.
  • He said the project has already been approved, and added he appreciates the opportunity for the Commission to take another look at the project with the proposed changes.
  • Porter posed four questions, to which the general consensus among the Commissioners was to agree as follows: (1) Is the new proposal consistent with the intent of the approved SDP elevations?
  • SOWA replied no; the project has been approved, and the Commission’s direction is for the applicant and staff to work together on exploring the above recommendations.