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to commission discussion uh the
commission discussion will consist of
and or make comments on the presentation
and the documentation that staff uh has
prepared for us and that we've been
looking at uh for the last while
actually I want to make one other thing
clear the the meeting will start the
first thing we'll do is review and
approve the minutes from uh one of the
preceding meetings so without any
further ado
as a so as a public hearing this yes um
for for a recommendation to the council
there would be rebuttal as well yes okay
yes and the final thing that we will do
uh is go through what we call a Green
Sheet which is a series of uh approvals
or comments or uh determinations of uh
non applicability of the item in
question and then uh if all all goes as
it normally does uh we will vote on the
recommendation that staff prepare
findings of fact that will be forwarded
to the city okay so with that we will
start with the
presentations oh I'm sorry yeah I keep
forgetting the minutes uh did everybody
get a chance to review the minutes that
were forwarded to us and if so does
anybody have any changes uh
clarifications that they wish to make
this
point I have
none move to approve second second okay
uh is there any further
discussion all in favor of approving the
minutes uh for
the what meeting was it by the way sth
the May 7th meeting of the development
commission signified by saying I I oos
motion carries are approved thank you
um so this evening you're going to have
a presentation by Amy Tarson I just want
to introduce her to you um she is our
brand new uh senior planner uh and we
are putting her through a trial by fire
with the first permit she just started
December 1st she came to us from
Washington DC where she was on the
national capital Planning Commission um
she was there about six years and before
that she was at the City of Redmond for
many years so she's um operated on both
coasts and uh has a master's in planning
and a masters in architecture so I hand
it over to
Amy
you so good evening everyone I guess
we're off to a good start I got my Red
Envelope before Chinese New Year so
that's a lucky thing um um so i' um I'd
like to start off by um again reminding
everyone that this project is being
reviewed as a master site plan and a
site development permit and your role
tonight is to evaluate the project and
to provide recommendations to the city
council so um I'd like to start off with
an overview um basically um in your
staff in the staff report you will
noticed that there are several criteria
for a master site plan and site
development permit and um several of
those items um have um really no uh
partic no specific uh issues and uh
these three bullets uh basically
summarize the three items that staff has
evaluated and I'm not going to go
through this in my presentation only
because we've either addressed them
through minor conditions or um
um at that at the level of review that
we're doing at this point they do uh
provide um uh compliance to the master
side plan and side development permit
and um just for um a quick summary um
that includes the on-site utilities uh
which um includes an on-site
infiltration for stor storm water using
low impact development and
undergrounding of existing power lines
and relocation of transmission lines
that are
in their in their property uh we're also
not going to talk about the usable open
space I will Point them out very briefly
but uh we didn't really have any issues
with them and uh the phasing uh will be
addressed uh during the site work permit
um however for tonight's presentation I
have asked the um um the applicant and
their Consultants to talk more about the
phasing because I'm sure um including
the comment public comments that we've
received were some questions about them
so um we're anticipating that you might
have some questions about them and we
have the applicant here tonight to
answer those questions so after my
presentation um we will have David mount
with maum to uh basically represent the
applicant um and provide us with more
details on the architecture the site
plan the landscape and any other issues
that you might want to to hear
about so for tonight my presentation
will cover four General topics com
compatibility with adjacent uses and uh
um design Harmony is in the uh design
checklist transition areas um were also
discuss and the screening of accessory
structures and uses were items that were
covered in different aspects of um
either the site development permit um
I'm sorry the um IMC or the uh design
stand standards vular traffic impacts um
includes streets and sidewalk
improvements and additional mitigation
and I'm going to talk about that later
non-motorized Transportation access and
connections will include uh a discussion
of both offsite and on-site improvements
as well as the bike and pedestrian
connections and lastly the critical
areas in Associated buffers um granted
we don't really have any um concerns
about them but um also to respond to
some of the public comments um I'm going
to um U provide a a short um
presentation on that
too so um I'm sure you're all familiar
where the school is um and uh this just
shows uh that uh for the record it is in
the Oldtown sub area of the
comprehensive plan um and the F the area
fold on the right shows what's existing
there today you have the Tiger Mountain
High School school and Clark Elementary
School on the northern half of the site
and then you have the isqua high school
to the South and um and also an existing
school bus
yard so the proposed building location
is um uh to be um located right where
the existing parking and a vacant lot is
um basically the idea is that for the
Tiger Mountain High School and the Clark
Elementary School to continue to operate
while the new school is being
built the uh proposal will impact about
32 Acres of the uh total 63 Acres of
school district property and um it
includes
131,000 square fet of uh of building
square footage um and a court yard a uh
outdoor um classrooms and a four Court
for the main entrance and also a patio
for the faculty uh so these are the
usable Open Spaces that um are are
proposed for this project in addition to
that we have two play Fields One of A
softball field and then a um basically a
combined um track and football and
soccer
field and um the accessory parking is
basically proposed uh to be included uh
as as part of this development and that
includes parking for faculty um starting
from the top right I'm just going down
you have a visitor parent parking area
with a drop off and a school bus parking
um on the um west side of Second Avenue
Southeast um in addition to that this
proposal includes a combined High School
and Middle School Bus drop
off so this is what the site looks like
to looking North from the interior of
the lot and this is what it looks like
um looking south from second EV I'm
sorry from Evans
Street um so recalling what you just saw
um the um the the uh illustration on the
top is basically what you're going to
see on the where where you're looking
from the interior of the site and the
illustration on the bottom is what
you'll see from second AV from I keep
saying that from Evans
Street um and the bottom the bottom um
illustration actually shows what the
courtyard will look like flanked by the
two wings of the building and I'll talk
more about the building in a minute and
also um Co with a covered walkway um the
north uh the top the top illustration
shows the main entrance um with the uh
gym on the left and the uh Library and
administration building on the right
which is the lower the lower
wing um in addition to those two um
faces of the building which are the most
public side of the building there's also
uh this facade which is um facing Second
Avenue Southeast however this is set set
back um significantly from the street so
you won't be able to see this however
it's right next to the um um the
multi-purpose sport field so this is uh
showing the classroom Wing um on the um
which is the taller the taller part of
the
building so staff has evaluated this
project and concludes that the proposal
is consistent with the land use and
Zoning designation so I'm not going to
go through these in detail just to um uh
basically show that uh we've done our
our our evaluation um in addition to
that we also look at the development
standards and again um these these are
all in your staff reports and um it
basically complies to the standards um
the one thing that uh we we did note is
that the building the school building
exceeds the uh allowable height limit
for um single family Suburban which is
the um the zoning District that we based
our design St our development standards
on however we do have um a provision in
the in the um IMC that um allows for the
expansion of a non-conforming condition
so in this particular case uh the reason
why we can use this um provision is
because the high school was also a
non-conforming condition so by in by um
building this new school building it
actually expands the non-conforming
condition that's already there
Transportation impacts and mitigation um
there are several major um um elements
to this um I'm going to talk about the
street improvements and Second Avenue
Southeast and Southeast Evans and the
bike and pedestrian
facilities um they are also eventually
going to finalize a transportation
management plan and um currently staff
is working with the applicant to De to
identify additional mitigation for um
their traffic impact um and and this is
going to be part of the sea review uh
and just for clarification while
normally we are uh we are the lead
Agency for sea review for this
particular project the school district
is the lead
agency Transportation impacts um that we
are currently reviewing and continue to
work with them on um pertains to
basically um updating their traffic
impact information for four um locations
so that's Second Avenue and sunset the
school signalize intersection at Second
Avenue Southeast Front Street and
Southeast Clark and Front Street and
sunset
way um so it to address the current um
um development of additional mitigation
uh we are including a uh recommended I
as part of this approval which states
that the school district shall work with
the city once the updated traffic
studies completed to define the
appropriate proportionate traffic
improvements necessary to mitigate the
operational and safety impacts at the
intersections identified in the updated
traffic study final mitigation measures
shall be determined prior to issuance of
building
permits so now I'm going to talk about
streets and sidewalks first um I'm going
to cover both Evans and Second Avenue
Southeast uh this diagram just shows um
that the right away for Southeast Evans
actually stops um right um right at the
edge of the um what is currently the
parking
lot so this just shows a quick overview
I can't I'm not sure if you can discern
the difference between the gray areas
and the white sometimes the the screen
um has a very different effect on
Graphics but basically um I'm going to
go over um in Greater detail what's
going on for Second Avenue I just wanted
to show you know where where all these
improvements are so starting with the
Second Avenue um improvements this is
just a view of the intersection of
second and events um and the graphic on
the right shows um you know how you know
where the person is standing when uh
this picture was
taken so um here are additional views of
Second Avenue and notice the difference
in the um Frontage improvements um the
top photo is actually the frontage along
what will be the future middle school
and then obviously the lower F photo
you're probably familiar with that is
the frontage along the high school so um
when the middle school gets developed um
we will we will see something in between
the bottom and the and the top photo and
I'm going to talk about that so um as a
summary these are the the highlights of
the major improvements for Second Avenue
we're going to have a new 10-ft bike
pedestrian shared use route with a 5
foot Street tree planter so Second
Avenue will include Street trees and
Street lighting um so this is a little
different than the frontage on um the
high school because the high school
doesn't have a 10-ft wide bike
pedestrian route um we're also going to
get new curb ramps at the new uh at the
uh bus the bus yard because they're
moving their um access drive further
north um we're getting new crosswalks
and curb Rams at the intersection of
Evans and Second Avenue and a and a new
connection to the existing trail near
the skate
park um and so now I'm going to talk
about second I'm sorry um before I talk
about Second Avenue so um one of the U
one of the uh elements of the Second
Avenue improvements that uh we are
conditioning is the existence of new
retaining walls
um I I may not have been here in the
previous um meetings but um I did get a
chance to review some of the comments
and um see like the retaining oil was
one of the issues that was brought up by
the commission um we are uh requiring
actually two two related uh conditions
in the in the uh staff report uh one
that talks about just retaining walls
and um that and and that includes three
potential ways of mitigating those
retaining walls and the other has to do
with retaining walls with fences which
is um similar to the one that's on
Second Avenue Southeast and um it's um
and again for
mitigation um it's it's U addressing the
uh effect of tall walls on public
streets and for that we um have
identified potential Solutions such as
incorporating artwork into the wall
installing a trellis and planted with
vines and providing a message board or
other creative treatment Now The Message
Board is not um appropriate for the
public streets but all throughout the
site there's actually several uh 13 foot
high retaining walls um so those may be
more appropriate places for other types
of um mitigation that also appeals to
the students in the
campus existing conditions on Southeast
Evans um um the photo D shows uh the
view looking toward towards Second
Avenue Southeast and photo e shows the
uh view looking towards um the access
drive to the uh isqua Sportsman's Club
the uh photo e if you would um take a
moment you'll notice how the road
actually Narrows
significantly um from the um from the
foreground to the background um and and
this I'll talk about a little bit when
you see the proposal um so this one
shows additional photos this time of the
uh backyards of the residential area
just north of Evans um again this is one
of the um concerns from previous
meetings regarding the impacts of future
uh uh buses and vehicles coming in on
Evans so this is what um is currently um
the condition of the
backyards um and as you go further east
you'll which is G you'll notice how the
houses start get um setting back a
little bit further and also how there
are additional trees that um that buffer
the houses from the
road so for Southeast Evans um they are
proposing six foot wide sidewalks and um
ramps for where you have the driveway
entrances
five foot Planters with Street trees
curbed and gutters and Street lighting
um I encircled this area because this is
the same area that you saw earlier in
the photo where this is how they're
transitioning the difference in the
width of the street so they're not
necessarily widening Evans as you go
further east um but they're providing
additional um landscape buffer uh for
what will be part of a future parking
lot uh adjacent or or above I shouldn't
say across the street from Evans and um
looking at the backyards of the
residential
area existing conditions Rainer Trail is
one of the um um offside amenities but
that is um that definitely a great
amenity um adjacent to the school so the
diagram on the right shows two treatment
of radier Trail the solid line shows
where the trail is actually a paved uh
10 foot wide um uh facility and then
where you see the dash lines um they
they are more reflective of what you see
in letter H and letter I so these are
natural um almost informal sort of
trails so here you see we're showing
additional views of that trail um um um
on the east side of the trail um we see
a variation again on the treatment K
shows you a more paved uh definitely
flat area that uh is wheelchair
accessible and then um the trail
actually and unfortunately this what
this shows you really is more of the the
difference in the grade on the site and
how that U grade change um in in so many
ways predicates where the trail end
up so um so this is fresh uh information
for us and this is um actually uh
provided to you as additional
information today it's uh it's one of
the exhibits that uh we we have um
included in your um in your um in your
chair um this shows what the applicant
is proposing as a relocated um for for
the relocation of the existing Trail
that's going through their site uh
basically um it shows an alignment that
um runs along um Southeast Evans um or
what is really an access drive and then
um comes around and let me see if I can
point to it so comes around and then
goes south on one side of again the
access Drive uh to get to um the
Sportsman's Club um they are also
proposing so what they're proposing is a
six foot wide gravel path and two gravel
parking spaces at what would would be um
the start of a um the the uh informal
trail that I showed
earlier so staff um um has two concerns
about this um this proposal uh one has
to do with where they're proposing the
Crossing for the trail on the access
Drive um this area is where most of the
buses will come in um and uh where where
faculty uh Vehicles will come in so this
this is uh this could potentially be a
an unsafe area for uh pedestrian
Crossing um and then and then the other
um thing we not that is how the 5- foot
wide gravel Trail is not an equivalent
replacement for the existing Cave Trail
inside the school district
property so here's a
view um of what the access Drive looks
like um so even though it says no
parking um you have a lot of um
basically high school kids uh parking on
the street or on the driveway on both
sides of uh the um the area and um there
are no sidewalks there are no curves
these these edges are not
developed so what um staff is proposing
as a as as an alternative is um maybe um
moving the crossing further north or
further north Northeast where uh there's
less opportunities for um conflicts with
um like a hight traffic volume um and um
So based on that uh we we also would
like to see um the U the trail move to
the north side instead of the south side
and um the C that currently and we'd
like to make a note of this that the
city street standards for pave Trails is
a minimum of 12 feet now we're not going
to ask for 12 feet um we're willing to
uh basically consider a six foot wide
gravel path and um so he these are
basically what we are uh proposing as uh
conditions for the trail the
um D7 is actually a condition for
another Trail on the um west side of um
West Side the West leg of rer and I'm
sorry I didn't have a Graphic for that
um but it's in the staff report and
again we don't have any issues with that
and um and so uh hopefully if you if if
you'd like me
to um show you where that is I can do
that later but um the other condition D9
um is
actually uh originally we had a
different condition that we would like
to revise based on the new information
we received today um and and basically
um acknowledges that we do need to um
work with the applicant on the final
alignment for this Trail but also um um
uh in terms of timing when we would like
this to be approved and it also
considers how um the trail crosses the
axis Road um
so um I'm not going to read it's it's a
it's a long condition but hopefully um
you have it in your motion sheet um word
for word so hopefully uh that that's
sufficient for tonight's
meeting so side elements in included in
the in the master side plan that will
not be constructed at this time um there
are two items that were mentioned and uh
that they did that I did mention also in
the staff report one has to do with the
um portable classrooms um that will
eventually be located between the
playfields and uh the classroom wing and
then the other had to do with um
basically um uh let's see the um the
parking area that's shown in some plans
and not shown on other plans right now
but eventually it's the area that they'd
like to uh currently it's all trees uh
that they'd like to eventually um
develop into a parking lot um the
applicant hasn't given us any timeline
so for now uh we are addressing them by
providing two um conditions um to make
sure that when they come in for um for
permits that uh we we have certain
guidelines on what we're
expecting so internal circulation what
you're seeing here is a very colorful
and um complicated diagram that is
basically a product of several meetings
with the applicant I'm not going to go
through in detail each of these colors
um what this shows you is um precisely
why we need a diagram like this because
there are multiple uh modes of
transportation using the same um
passages and the same roads um and there
and we we wanted to make sure that there
are no potential impacts not only on the
site but also offsite um on Second
Avenue and Evans um the applicant is
here to um definitely uh answer any of
your questions regarding the internal
circulation um because this is really
part of their operations and um it is it
behooves them to make sure that the
whole site both for the high school and
the middle school works for all the U
students and the parents and the
faculty so I'm using this as a diagram
to show um basically the relationship
between The Pedestrian circulation and
uh bike circulation as well as the
vehicular circulation so I'd like to
just just highlight basically the green
that you see here that goes around and
connects back to Second Avenue Southeast
that's basically The Pedestrian and bike
circulation for the for the Middle
School the purple also shows you um The
Pedestrian circulation for the high
school so as you can see um you know the
high school kids uh I guess because
they're older you can um you can allow
them to walk all the way um and this is
the the parking lot that I mentioned
earlier here that's um that isn't part
of this project but will event might
eventually be built um and so um so here
here is where you find the busiest area
this orange is is where you see the um
the combined bus bus Loop or Bus drop
off um and you see two colors one is a
purple and one is a green line uh
green line that's Crossing this and what
it's really representing are the high
school and the middle school students
that will be accessing the Bus drop off
bus pickup area um every day on this on
this part on this
route so um staff was very concerned
about how these Crossings are being
treated currently the applicant proposes
um striping um um and um uh basically um
uh relying on the the kids to be able to
discern that those are the crosswalks uh
we think that U there is a better
solution um or at least a safer solution
and so we have recommended a condition
that requires the applicant to provide
an alternative material either concrete
use a pattern or a speed table and to
use truncated domes um as part of the
treatment for these four crosswalks
that's that's identified
here so now I'd like to talk about
design Harmony and compatibility and
this has to do with recognizing that a
community facility like a school in a
predominantly um residential
neighborhood could have either impacts
on the character of the neighborhood um
and particularly where the edges of the
school building um about the residential
area so this is a this just um again a
simplified diagram that shows um you
know for for there are five different um
criteria for design Harmony that's
identified in the de in the design
standards so the first one Building
height um I I mentioned earlier that
this building exceeds the height limit
for the area uh and the and the zoning
District um however when you look at how
the building is sighted and you see how
far it's set back from the streets um
this helps mitigate for U the scale of
the building um and obviously you we
also have U several buffer landscape
buffers here um that also helps and
contributes to mitigating the height
effect um the other the other issue has
to do with noise um and and and um I
indicated here generally where the gun
club noise the the is it Sportsman's
Club uh has um a firing range and the
noise is coming from this side um and
the the best mitigation really for this
building is uh the again um once you
look at the floor plan you'll see that
this is the classroom wing and this is
where you have um more of the enclosed
spaces you have the bandroom you have um
again the cafeteria which you know can
can tolerate a lot more noise so in so
many ways this building Shields the the
classroom Wing from um the noise that's
coming from the
East so another aspect of design Harmony
has to do with blank walls um this these
are the elevation drawings for the
building and I have two different type
categories of circles here I've
identified where um so Black Walls exist
on every elevation of this building
however there's a difference between the
blank walls that are um uh very visible
to the public you know because of uh so
the first one is the main entrance so
you have the gym and then you also have
um this side which is the one that the
the side that's facing the sports field
again a very um highly traffic uh a high
traffic area um and then um and then
this elev a is the elevation that faces
Second Avenue I'm sorry that that faces
Evan Street um and and and right across
the street from the neighborhood from
the residential neighborhood so the so
um the yellow Dash lines basically
acknowledges that these are blank walls
however special conditions exist that um
make us feel that this this is not as
big of an issue as the ones that are
circled in red uh for since this is the
loading dock so we don't really want to
attract any more attention to the
loading dock and there won't be any
pedestrians in this area so it it's it's
really not a good idea to mitigate that
area um over here again this is the
loading dock there's a low wall here um
this is uh facing basically the wooded
area and so and and and there it's less
of a concern um as well as has um this
side um um this is a blank wall right
next to the entrance to the faculty uh
lnge and um in in a big scheme of things
this again this this area has a parking
lot here um and there could be there
could be mitigation for for this area
and I've also included them in the
report however for tonight's
presentation I want to focus on the red
circles okay sorry let me oops how do I
go back so the first one I wanted to
address is this um it's the classroom
Wing this is this the side that's facing
Evans um
um so we I've talked to the architect
about designing this so that it it could
potentially if if if the walls were just
shifted a little bit it would create a
better proportion for the short short
wall and the long wall um and again it
um it's something that um is not um as
big of an issue and something that I'm
not going to illustrate here but it
would basically U follow more of the
same uh concept here where you have a
skinnier wall and then a wall that's
maybe twice as wide of it as it as part
of um the design vocabulary for the
building so the two other areas uh this
one is the main entrance right and this
is the gym um uh we are recommending
that the applicant provide a covered
walkway similar to what they're
proposing for the courtyard this will
serve two purposes it would uh provide
weather covering for the drop this is
the main parent drop off visitor drop
off area so there's actually parallel
parking provided here and at the same
time it will mitigate the blank wall
effect this photo on the left shows how
that works because um you have a
horizontal element um it breaks the line
of sight and creates a more intimate
space where whereas if uh people were
just walking along this wall it will
feel more
overwhelming so the other elevation
shows uh the two blank walls um in the
covered plate uh basketball CT um and we
are recommending one of several
potential ways of treating it you could
either uh incorporate some more in um
sculptural or art element or even
something as simple as the school um uh
logo and um or a seat wall with
Planters so uh the two other elements on
design Harmony that I'm not going to
talk about because they do comply has to
do with building modulation as you can
see from these two eometric drawings um
the the whole building is pretty uh well
modulated and um in terms of
architectural style they are con very um
similar to the high school these are
photos of the high school um they're
using the same color palette the same
materials except the middle school will
not have these um wood laminate panels
um and it also has almost the same um
rect linear
modernistic um style to
it so as part of the land use
compatibility again there there are
several um elements in the IMC that
helps address these transition areas
this diagram this this this is the
landscape plan that simply I just wanted
to show how uh they are proposing to
provide the appropriate types of buffers
along Second Avenue Southeast and along
Southeast Evans to mitigate for the the
parking lots and uh the different types
of uses that they're proposing along the
public
streets and um one of the um other items
that uh we did look at are the fences
that are proposed for this whole site um
there are actually a lot of fences and
most of them um are meant to basically
uh uh manage the different different um
components of the site and uh one area
that we are most concerned with is um
along again this is this is um Evans and
this is the main entrance for the buses
and the faculty um they are proposing a
Cyclone Fence that runs from the
baseball or the softball field and then
uh jogs down and connects to the
Courtyard um so what we're what we're
recommending is that
uh per the IMC uh there are SE several
ways to mitigate these fences and one is
to provide a hedge um to allow the the
chain link fence to fade and and be
integrated into the
Landscaping
um so now I wanted to just quickly talk
about the critical areas we have
wetlands and steep slopes uh primarily
well yeah primarily along um the bus
barn
and um so these views show examples of
the
Wetland uh and um and and we and
basically these folders were taken along
the Rainer Trail um and I don't know if
this is clear to you but this this is
actually a steep slope that goes up this
way so um one of the things we requested
from the applicant is
verification that this area here where I
just showed you a picture um are
actually not man-made steep slopes um
the IMC allows for an exemption to um
steep slopes if they are man-made and if
they um don't um exceed a certain height
and a certain um angle so uh in your um
in your um additional packet tonight
again is a letter from their Geotech
engineer um confirming that these are
actually created when the railroad
tracks was um installed along um the
side of um the prop well outside of
their
property so um actually uh this is now
obsolete given the new information we
got so we can ignore that so in
conclusion um in addition to meeting the
requirements of the master site plan and
site development permit the proposed
isqua middle school project complies
with the community facility standards in
IMC
1807
18.7 480 subject to the proposed
conditions of approval provided in the
staff
report and based on the submitted
application and plans staff recommends
that the development commission moved to
recommend to the city council approval
of the master site plan and the site
development perid for thisa Middle
School applications Master side plan MSP
14-
00002 and site development permit sdp
14-
0000001 exhibits one through S now it
would have to be one through um 13 and
the conditions of approval provided in
the staff report and at tonight's public
hearing um and uh for and to direct the
development services department to
prepare findings of fact and conclusions
for review and approval by the
development commission chairman
affirming the development commission's
decision to recommend approval of the
isqua middle school project file numbers
msp1 14-
00002 and sdp1
14-00 001 subject to the conditions
listed in the staff report dated
February 18 2015 and project draw
project drawings received on February 11
2015 and subject to the condition there
in and as amended tonight so that
concludes my presentation thank
you and now um I I'd like to invite
David Mount to um uh to speak on behalf
of the
applicant isqua School
District No Ju Just the school district
and um this evening I'm representing
them and I will inter ruce the the team
that is
here if if there's any member of the
public that wants to speak we'd
appreciate it if you'd sign the sheet in
and hold your comments or questions
until it's public comment time
okay that's all right it's you'll have a
chance to do that in the public comment
time thank you
sir right thank you Amy uh good to be
back I recognize a number of you from
when we were here I think just over over
a year ago um my name is David mount
with mum Architects the address is 71
Columbia Street Seattle Washington
98114 um we like to introduce um other
uh members of the team that are here
this evening um that certainly um can
answer questions and have certainly
contributed to this presentation um
first of all Steve Crawford and Roy
norget from the is School District um
with us also is Jennifer Mundi landscape
architect Kevin Smith civil engineer
Glenn dubrul from the traffic engineer
uh we also have a fortune to have a
general contractor um as part of our
team um so Brian Gormley and Colin
mcglenn from Cornerstone engineering and
Greg Stewart also from mum Architects
there at the end so uh they will help me
answer any of your questions um and
Jennifer W actually helped me with a
portion this presentation as well uh so
we are oh that's not going to
work uh Amy gave a a very detailed
overview and I will try to keep this
brief and and hit on things that she
maybe didn't go into as much detail on
um this is um s a multiphase project and
I'll explain what that means um but uh
we have on a single site uh the high
school as you are aware currently an
elementary school and a Community High
School scho uh which will ultimately be
moving off of the site and the new
Middle School which will be taking a
place on on the property um and then
finally um the transportation U uh
Center which is also part of the greater
property where there is work uh uh
transforming the access point and
expanding um some uh some bus parking
spaces within that Transportation Center
um the a project um in fact I think we
may have given Amy um a little
misinformation she mentioned 32 Acres
we're actually impacting 24 Acres that
32 was I believe the number that was
from the previous uh development that
you saw so we are actually scaled back
and I'll explain that a bit of sort of
the site area that we're impacting um
131,000 squ feet approximate Middle
School is the primary project that we'll
be
discussing it's not work today uh so to
give you an overview and I'll go into
detail around the phasing um we are
anticipating to begin Construction this
spring with everything wrapping up in
the winter of
2017 um and our first phase which will
be the major construction phase of the
building uh will happen uh through uh
really the beginning of school of 2016
um that will carry a bit into the fall
after school is occupied to button up
some site elements um and the property
will sit in that condition for a period
of time while work is being done to move
the other two facil ities off site so
the period from October 2016 to July
2017 will be a time when there is little
or no work being done on the site and
then finally a second phase will happen
uh July 2017 through December
2017 and again I'll describe what that
means um just to step back um talking
about project goals so uh really give
you sort of the Genesis for the
beginning of this project uh working
with a group at the middle school and
School District staff to really just uh
clarify what the major intent was with
moving the uh Middle School uh to this
campus uh one important element is
actually the creative distinct character
of the Middle School um it's a distinct
group of students and that it has
actually um while has some benefits for
sharing site with the high school there
is uh there's Clarity between those two
buildings um and that drove a lot of the
site placement um certainly a facility
primarily this is an education facility
and meeting the needs specifically of
middle uh middle school students not
elementary school or high school
students but as we design schools there
are very specific needs uh both physical
and emotional and academic for middle
school students so those are important
elements in the design of the school I'm
incorporating sustainable features
really connecting to this beautiful
place the site where these buildings sit
uh was a strong driver at the high
school design and that carries into the
middle school um and in into the
internal actual educational spaces
really thinking about very high quality
educational spaces the placement of
Windows and the the connections within
the school were very important um Design
Elements um and and along with that is
really about those relationships and
spaces within the school and and
creating a very um strong uh uh
Community within the school and finally
um while they are two distinct schools
recognizing this is a Civic campus with
a lot of public use both from the field
and the school facilities and really
making sure that's a very cohesive idea
um by with the placement of the the
middle school which clearly today with
Clark Elementary and the high school
that's not you know really as a cohesive
single campus um so those were really
major project goals from the beginning
of the project uh we're coming back to
you with a a a new uh uh design um that
really was a response to some
significant change in needs that this
school district recognized um with the
um anticipated significant growth
particularly in the city center of isqua
and the enrollment growth that they're
anticipating at these schools that serve
the city center and that really uh was
an opportunity or really a necessity for
us to stand back and really think about
the the utilization of the site and of
the building to uh really anticipate
this this growth um and some of those
elements um that became um important um
which um also uh be was an opportunity
to respond to um many of the input that
we got um from this commission um at the
time and they actually a lot of these
things came together and were able to
respond to those as well as respond to
this sort of future need um and part of
that is really using the site as
efficiently as possible um part was and
as and the building um creating instead
of a twostory building a three-story
building with the the primary class
wings for that ability to to expand but
also um to make sure that there is
adequate site areas U remaining on the
site um to uh collapse the uh bus
loading um between the two schools into
a single area and to really rethink
about the programming of the site
elements like the field so that we can
get more use out of the field and also
impact less of the property uh so some
of those elements and I apologize I
realize everyone wasn't here for the
previous um uh design so I won't I won't
assume that that but our as Amy
described the existing High School sits
here with its parking um with a primary
entry point uh with the traffic light on
Second Avenue U what our uh redesign
allowed us to do was really to um um get
the the most use out of this major uh
single entry point to the site um with
our our circulation really allowing the
two front doors of the school to be uh
uh facing each other and becoming um
equally important as one comes on to the
site um we were um with the um we were
also able to um for those who recall we
were actually developing quite a bit of
the site area on this portion of the
property um the redes allowed us to uh
really distinguish an area that was
going to be dedicated to high school use
um this is High School tennis courts
High School softball fields and practice
fields and a future High School expanded
parking up here um and allow that to be
um separate from an area that was very
much dedicated to the middle school and
its athletic facilities softball field
uh track and field here um with as I
said the element of shared use being the
Bus drop off to allow buses not to need
to exit the high school and then
re-enter the site the middle school we
were we rethought how those spices would
circulate on and off of the site to be
able to serve both
properties U some of the common elements
to the previous design were really about
the design of the middle school with a
protected inner Courtyard uh very
intentional about creating a a safe
place for middle schoolers to access um
you know out outside directly outside of
science classrooms and outside their
common spaces very different approach
from the high school which was very much
about sort of opening up to the
community and being sort of sending
those kids out into the world um it was
important to have a very clear
delineation between uh the outside and S
the interior of the school um also by um
placing uh the track and field on the
west side of the site um we did move
the gymnasium and the athletic functions
uh within the building to better connect
all those outside play areas um west of
the main
facility may go into a little bit more
detail about site circulation because I
know that's a a very important element
and this will describe the site um a
little bit more detail how it will
actually function and Amy touched on
this with a kind of overwhelming um uh
site circulation diagram with I've
pulled out the individual pieces so I
think will help everyone understand how
this is will work a little bit better uh
so the first later is the parent and
visitor vehicle so for the most part
what you see on the south portion of the
site are existing circulation routes
that will continue for the high school
so parents visitors have a drop off area
and they come and go through the main
entry area uh We've again really tried
to maximize the use of this main entry
um to keep access to the school in one
location and have our Loop off of that
same main drive to become a parent drop
off and visitor access Loop to the to
the middle school we have the option of
actually extending all the way down to a
turnaround behind the high school um the
queuing lane for uh for parents that uh
might get early and might start and
we'll wait and uh for the kids to be let
out
uh staff Vehicles U we are um suggesting
staff um utilize both Evans as well as
the main entry to the the campus um
again High School stff circulation
remains very much as is and this the
Middle School circulation uh circulates
to the primary staff parking lot which
are to the East and to the north of the
campus and because this uh parking is
also at the North End serving this end
of the building um and for various other
needs for Access we imagine this will be
uh for some staff a preferred route of
coming and going along
Evans student vehicles uh this uh is uh
again the primary route for uh the
students that are driving currently for
the high school uh we don't have any
students driving in the Middle School um
but we will have additional high school
parking um the at off of Evans and then
um a future parking lot and an existing
small gravel parking lot that exists off
of Evans here as well the intent is to
uh avoid all traffic of students
actually going through the high school
so those are very two distinct areas for
the high schoolers to arrive
driving uh the buses uh which were um uh
one of the more important elements to
place in a way that could serve both
schools
will be entering on Evans Street and
that uh is one of the motivations for an
access point here and we'll be
circulating here in two lines at a place
where the pickup and drop off will occur
in between the two schools and Amy
described bit how that works but I can
show you also The Pedestrian circulation
those buses then will exit with the
traffic light at the main
entry middle middle school pedestrian
bicycle circulation
off of Second Avenue um
around the the coming in off of Second
Avenue connects to the front door of the
middle school and also allows for uh
access to the bus area on on the south
edge of this parking
lot High School circulation will stay
very much as it does now with the
exception of the high school students
that will be using the bus and they will
come across a single controlled access
point here and then uh disperse across
here um to a place where they will be
picked up for the buses
U
this uh these elements here will be um
staffed at all times when buses are
Avail available because of the number of
students that will be coming and going
from both schools um it's a normal
operations for schools to actually staff
The Crossings to make sure that that is
a safe transition the high schoolers
will also have
part of an existing route um up to the
parking lot up
there I'll describe that in a little
less um detail or a little less um with
the interim sites as well in a
moment so phasing um these are actually
some drawings that are the beginnings of
the logistic plans for the general
contractor who is able to help us in um
planning for the phasing of the so I
apologize for how faint it is but the
existing Clark Elementary School sit
here existing Tiger Mountain Elementary
School and then the new Middle School
here um what we will have is a very
clear delineation around the
construction fencing uh both solid and
chain link fencing that will occur along
here to allow the construction
activities to be contained within this
general area here um for Tiger Mountain
Elementary
sorry Tiger Mountain High School uh
their uh usage of the parking lot is
largely unchanged here uh we are uh
reconfiguring uh some of the parking
areas around Clark ele to allow for both
fire access and expanded parking in
Clark but Clark um will largely operate
as it does today with the exception that
they will not have their Playfield
available to them so we are um expanding
some areas to allow them to have more or
um outdoor play
areas um and again High School schoolers
will continue to use this lot and access
along this edge of the site with
construction happening in this area
primary a construction access will be
off of Evans
Road during the interum phase what I
just described will largely remain
intact um with the the separation
between the two schools um I'll describe
this a little bit more more detail but
what we have is a a partially completed
parent uh drop off Loop occurring here
buses will remain in the current
location at the high school um and the
parking as I described at Tiger and um
Clark will will stay as in the first
phase the Final Phase um over the summer
of
2017 all the areas in the blue will be
completed so the major site elements
around uh vehicular and pedestrian
circulation will be completed prior to
school starting so at that point um the
buildings will also be demolished and
the school will start to operate in its
final State and then through the fall
the fields will be
completed I won't go into too much
detail here because I think I've
described that mostly uh Clark and tiger
um parent drop off uh somewhat reduced
but still the same concept around access
to the middle school will occur for
parents um staff again in much the same
way they currently operate and much the
same way they will operate at the middle
school high school students will again
be with the exception uh of not having
full access to this parking they will
have very similar
operation um
buses will occur down here see as well
as buses for Clark here as a Cate
operates and then um student
circulation and at this point we will
have be having middle schoolers that
will actually be um coming down here to
use the High School Bus Loop during uh
this interim time
period High School pedestrian
circulation
um and then finally fire access um will
some of the the modifications are
actually to allow for adequate access to
both Clark and the middle school during
U this interim
period so before I jump into the
building design I'm going to um as tener
to come up and talk a little bit about
the site elements program elements and
then I'll move inside the building
just put the arrow
okay uh my name is Jennifer Mundy I'm
the landscape architect on the project
with Cascade design collaborative uh we
are also located in Seattle on Western
Avenue um so I'd like to quickly
describe uh how we are um responding to
some of the perimeter buffer
requirements um along Second Avenue here
we have a um a type one buffer
requirement along along the wall edge of
the track and we also were providing the
type one uh for all of our parking lot
edges when we are uh screening when we
are um putting something in front of the
uh Playfield it's the reduced the type
three buffer that we'll be providing so
it isn't quite as dense as the type 1
more solid Evergreen
buffers uh there are some patches of
existing Woods then we're trying to save
as much of them as possible um and in
the design of the buffers we're going to
utilize n native materials and try to
put in plants that will grow and fill in
Evergreen screening as quickly as
possible um the concept for our uh
school grounds is really rooted in
providing a safe um education space for
the elementary I mean the middle school
students uh since I was just going to
say this is not um an elementary school
it's middle school and we have um a
different uh learning environment
different capabilities of the students
and different interests um so in
designing the spaces around the building
we were paying special attention to the
needs of the middle school kids they um
they like to climb on things still
they're really energetic and want to
move around but they're also very social
and want to hang out in in comfortable
groupings and so we've got a lot of
edges kind of edes of spaces where um
for instance at the main entry as you're
coming in there is a space here that
allows for parents to interact and pause
and have a conversation and there's some
benches to wait to be picked up to
create a a pleasant feeling entry
environment and then we have this lovely
Courtyard that provides as David was
saying a a very um comfortable
environment that is protected shielded
from the noise from above um and
provides in this corner a a stepped
Amphitheater type Gathering
space and um along this so the ground
floor classrooms here are the science
classrooms and we're creating what we're
calling science porches so the students
can spill out from the science rooms and
do experiments outside uh we've got on
the site low impact development
strategies to deal with storm water and
so there's rain Gardens in the courtyard
and Rain Gardens outside of the building
here that will be doubling as
demonstration educational facilities so
the students can learn about how
infiltration happens they could do water
quality testing that sort of thing um
and on the subject of low impact
development um we are
providing rain Garden infil rtion areas
to treat the storm water throughout the
site so we're keeping the water on the
site and using the fact that this
particular property has really quick
infiltration rate and and we can have
the water get filtered and screened and
go through into the re um charging the
aquifer so the um the water flowing off
the parking lot spaces will go into a
rain garden and get filtered uh the
water flowing from this area will go
into a rain Garden down
here uh the parking lot up here will
have rain Gardens uh the central drop
off parking lot has a rain Garden in the
middle so we're um encouraging that sort
of treatment of the water as well as on
Evans we are creating a a treatment
facility here that doubles as a buffer
between the neighbors and the school so
we're trying to use double duty wherever
we can take advantage of that in the in
the design
um you'll also notice that the Portables
here that if we need to put them in uh
we took a queue from the way the tiger
alternative high schools designed and
how actually very lovely those portable
buildings are with all of their Vine
Maples and things around so that's the
concept for these Portables that they
won't be just lined up um that but
they'll be clustered to create a
community space and have some vegetation
around them so that they'll be a
pleasant space and not sort of the the
unwelcomed place to have to go to class
it'll be the fun place to go to
class uh so I I guess I should quickly
say so there are um athletic fields here
this is going to be a Synthetic Turf uh
field with a running track around and
we've got a Amphitheater uh series of
sort of Bleacher steps tucked into the
hillside so you can watch and then this
green space here is a sloping lawn so
there's also sort of informal hangout
space to to watch the games and take
advantage of the fact that this is a
terrist site and so the field is at a
lower level and then the um the softball
field is up at the level of the school
building and then we have these upper
fields for the high school up at yet
another
level if you have any questions I will
be here for to answer
I'll quickly wrap this up with the
building design um the main entry of the
school is here um as I mentioned before
an important element was actually the
placement of the um gym and athletic
facilities to actually have good
connection to the uh athletic fields um
and of course um looking at the
administration as that sort of as folks
arrive to the main drop off area have
this view to the southeast and to the
main entry as oversight to this entry
Plaza we've actually uh designed this to
allow for um access and use of the of
the commons and the gymnasium and with
the potential to actually Zone those
areas knowing that there'll be quite a
bit of public use um and yet trying to
keep spaces as open as possible as well
so that the the commons or cafeteria
isn't just a big dark box but is
actually a a a open glassy space
connected to this internal Courtyard um
it also uh doubles as their performance
space with a stage and then the other
Performing Arts classrooms on this side
of the building um finishing out the uh
W east side of the building um very
intentionally we've put the service and
kitchen areas here really kind of buting
those areas that have fewer Windows um
up to the the side of the Sportsman Club
um and the classrooms the three-story
classroom wing on the west
side of the site um that really has the
Outlook to the Views but also is
somewhat buffered by this uh this volume
um from the noise from the uh from the
club as we move upstairs uh the library
sits above the administration area uh
with the um circulation areas that look
down onto the commons this idea of
connectivity was very important um to
really do that Community um sense that
everyone is seeing each other and
everyone is part of the same uh School
Community um again with classrooms
continuing up to the second level an
auxiliary gym and fitness room above the
locker rooms and then finally on the
third floor uh just the classroom uh
continuation of the
classrooms as Amy mentioned uh the there
was a strong intent to be very
compatible with the materiality of the
high school um
with that we have used very similar
materials um of the uh ground face
concrete block um a lighter gray uh
cement board panel um a warmer uh
painted um cement board panel and then
also a darker cement board panel with um
articulated patterning um joints and
then finally um similar to the high
school a screening sort of cap to the
building
um made out of metal standing seam
panels This is the main entry um
slightly different than perhaps the one
in your packets where we've um better
represented what the the landscape
design actually is where there are seat
walls um and variations in Paving and um
a place for the arrival and departure
from the
school as you've seen here uh from the
West the view of the main classroom wing
and the covered play area um what's
missing here are are a row of trees that
actually go along this path but those
were eliminated just to for clarity in
these
views the same four primary materials um
five primary materials the three cement
board colors the concrete block and the
and the metal roof
panels and then finally from the North
End of the courtyard similarly this is
actually a landscape screen here to
really contain that courtyard um it was
eliminated to allow um views just from
this this
Viewpoint I will show just a a blowup of
um what the patternings are of the
materials while we are using essentially
the same material here you can see very
distinct usage sort of board and Baton
and uh accent color Happening Here in
the line with the windows um a very
varying widths and uh Heights of cement
board paneling um in the darker gray
areas and then the regular patterning
the light areas along with the uh smooth
ground face lighter block and the um the
metal screening at the roof
level and we have a sample of those
materials here you all like to see
those that is it for our presentation
all right uh at this time we'll go to
the opportunities for members of the
public who uh wish to address Mission uh
ask questions uh seek clarifications
from staff Andor uh members of the
applicant uh tingent so if there are
people that would like to speak and that
have signed up again I'd ask you to when
you get up uh to come to the mic and
give your name and your
address
so uh first name on here is uh Leaf
Stephanie all right uh my name is life
stefhanie um I live on uh currently 385
East Sunset Way isael Washington
and um so I'm a local resident here and
I'm here also to represent the isqua
Sportsman's Club which is located just
right behind the proposed project
site um just a quick info on our club uh
the iso Sportsman's Club was founded on
October 5th
1921 uh most of you probably just know
it as a gun range uh but we've actually
been a community oriented nonprofit
organization that has been serving this
community here um for for nearly 100
years uh a quick example of that for is
uh that we donated in 1937 uh 10.7 Acres
of our land to the city uh which is
currently um part of where these schools
uh currently are
sitting um overall there's no issues
that the club has with the proposed
plans um the the only issue that we see
is uh
noise
and the reason for uh our concerns is
the parking lot that is supposed to be
built um up in the northeast corner of
the project site um our property is
surrounded by old growth trees which
have for years been providing u a
natural sound barrier essentially um and
these trees have been diminishing now
because over the years uh through the
expansion of the schools uh and this
current plan
uh calls for the removal of a rather
large portion of trees which is right
next to our range uh and there therefore
also has a large impact on the noise
output of the
range um as a club we have actually been
very proactive lately um about reducing
our noise output uh last year in
2014 we
um applied for a state Grant um to help
fund the installation of a noise
reduction system system and we were
awarded this Grant and we'll begin uh
this project or the construction of that
project later this
year uh therefore we think it would be
prudent for the school district to uh
take the noise level into
consideration um as cutting down the
trees in that corner especially in that
critical spot which is literally right
next to our Firing
Line
um as cutting down those trees will
basically defeat our efforts in reducing
the general noise output to the
city uh something to consider is for
example building a noise wall uh instead
of tearing down trees or building a
multi-tier parking lot um on one of the
existing parking lots rather than uh
cutting down the trees and building a
parking lot up there uh why is this
important uh well increasing noise uh
through this project uh will not only
affect the students at the schools but
also the community as a whole uh and
also surrounding property
values our final point or issue that we
have with the removal of the trees in
the northeast corner of the project site
is environmental um the woods as we know
support all our local Wildlife uh which
is already diminishing because of uh all
the developing in the area uh so we
think that rather than looking for the
simply cheapest way to accommodate more
Vehicles why not set an example uh for
greener development by erecting a
multi-tier parking uh lot over one of
the existing parking spaces that's
already available uh this would have a
lesser impact on our already fragile
environment um and I believe was also
already proposed last year by the uh
development
commission and that's about all that we
had to say about this one thank you Mr
sney thank you uh next is Michelle
Gibson and I'd like to I neglected to
mention before we in respect for the uh
the continuity of the meeting we'd ask
that you try to limit your comments to
five
minutes thank
you first of all thank you for um giving
us the opportunity to share our concerns
regarding the upcoming development my
name's Michelle Gibson I've been a
homeowner on Southeast Evans Lane for
over 20 years my proud to say my
daughter went to both IMS and
IHS and now my grandson will be starting
next year at
Clark so there's two generations there
um however we still have some concerns
uh we do understand the need for growth
in our school district yet still has
some concerns uh before the plan and
site development are
approved um a lot of this uh traffic was
brought up a
lot that's a huge one of our concerns in
the neighborhood as well where I live
while you do propose to Wine Southeast
Evans Street the impacts to the
neighborhood of adding what 32 buses tce
a day faculty
um under the fa uh faculty uh also um
their
transportation and and more high school
students um under the current proposed
infrastructures over with your plan it
seems to be overwhelming negative um a
tiered parking lot uh this gentleman
just mentioned um between the high
school and proposed middle school and I
was here at the last development meeting
last year that was a suggested um so I
agree with that uh that would take less
I mean we're spreading you're saying
you're you want the school to go up so
it doesn't spread but we're spreading
out the parking lot so with that comes
down the trees um there's a lot of
speeding up and down litter uh left on
the on the Southeast EV Street goes into
to our neighborhood and I just see more
of that
increasing with how the proposal of the
plan for Southeast Evans right now um
every week we go out clean up after the
high
schoolers and um in fact in one of your
slides slide G was my house I could see
it in the background and it's that close
to this road um but our our Woods are so
fragile and we'd like to keep them and
we'd like also to see I walk there with
my grandson and my dog and many times
almost get ran ran over because these
cars are speeding up there um we need
better access to the
trails I'm not sure I'm seeing that we
need signage for the trails we need if
there's any parking to be added it
should be specifically for access to
Trails many times I run into people they
don't know where the trails are I have
to guide them um it's just it just looks
like um a puzzle out there with the
schools and the parking lot um so please
if you would take into
consideration the neighborhoods the
residents um the natural Wildlife I
would really really appreciate it and
thank you for the time
again hope I didn't go over that's fine
Tom meckler I will pass all right sir uh
David kapler
the picture with all the
green up here that would help s
yes that one there perfect thank
you um good evening I'm David kapler U
First make some comments about um Park
Point as president isws Trails club and
then I'll get on to my personal comments
about the the rest of the issues um Park
point is a $6 million investment plus we
gave him 100
tdrs we have we're proposing two parking
I I think the two parking spaces got
eliminated that the district had planned
for this um because the trail is now
being proposed to be uh on that other
side there needs to be some kind of
decent access to the parkpoint property
for the community right now you have
five or six spots at office second there
at the near the intersection with fr
Street and if you know you can park by
the gun club you got to of course High
School takes the parking on weekdays and
all but there's parking there but it's
you don't know where the trail is
there's not one single sign and we got
this great asset for the city that's
completely being ignored by this
process um back to my more personal
comments I guess um what drives me nuts
about the The
Proposal is
the
um priority we're putting on
chauffeuring kids and to to the school
and and making it hard to use the
buses the bus area is a long ways from
the school now we hear there's going to
be four staff people out there at the
four
crosswalks those are staff time that
should be put in the classroom not out
doing traffic
control the buses should be the people
do not want their kids on buses because
how long they spent on the buses and
they can get them there to the school
faster then get them out of the school
faster and that and we need to encourage
bus usage especially in this Corridor
where the traffic is already so bad and
we all know how much worse it got when
September hit region wide so why are we
trying to discourage people to have kids
ride buses by putting them out no
protection out here in the rain and the
wind mixing the middle school kids and
the high school kids out of visibility
of either
school the high school kids would be
just fine mixing with the middle school
kids up by the school where there'll be
more easier and better supervision and
there should be a canopy across area so
the kids have some um some shelter when
they're waiting for those buses so I
would move the uh the bus lane right
through here and put the parking lot out
in the next
Loop just reverse those and it would
save a lot of Staff time a lot more kids
riding the buses a better bus experience
for kids and every in car we increase on
the site is more mitigation the school
district has to pay for traffic that
should be being used in the classroom
not
to subsidize more
single
vehicles um we don't have an up-to-date
traffic or parking counts and those
really need I don't see how the group
can make a decision tonight without
those um we don't know what the
mitigation is going to be based on those
new traffic
counts the route 200 is mentioned is
partial mitigation for tra for getting
kids to school the in the morning the
the N the 200 bus doesn't um get gets in
front of the high school sometime
between 10 and 1011 in the morning so
it's not going to do any good for the
getting high school kids and it leaves
the community center at 217 they've
shortened the hours of the 200 so it's
ineffective as anything to help with
moving students
around U Move the reader board to the
other corner at the uh the street there
and then you don't have to have it real
tall um
again sea hasn't been finished yet I
don't know how you can make a decision
without a without the the sepa being
done we do need a canopy and covered
across the front of the school even if
that's where the the single OCC the cars
are going to be rather than the buses
still need more protection
there there's going to be a lot
apparently a lot of extra material from
the site that'll be trucked off I
mentioned in one of my letters that a
previous representative owner of the
park PL Park Point didn't want any extra
bming at the um Gun Club from the
softball fields that were um built um
and so they didn't burm no do any more
bming there's going to be a lot of
material off here that's going to be
have Organics in it or whatever that
can't be used on the site or at some
other site to build on and it'd be great
material to do some additional bming and
I would even encourage the city to be
doing some bming on their actual Park
Point property on um as well to uh to
make that a much more Pleasant area
which is used a lot by the cross country
teams in the other in classes and in
after school training so there's
definitely some ability to reduce the
offsite Trucking and reducing Sound by
using that material
which I believe is almost is not
there'll be enough unusable material
from the site it's not going to be all
nice gravel that would have a good
use
um guess that's the main thing thank
you uh Hy Marsh
okay my name is Connie Marsh and I have
a store at 1175 Northwest Gilman
Boulevard suet B1 and also live in
town
um okay they're at least trying to share
their Bus Loop
good now I'm going to move on um I was
surprised to see the gravel Trail right
after we saw the picture of all the
students parking along the road the
gravel road with a gravel trail with the
students parking suddenly the I didn't
understand how that would work on either
side of the road having a gravel trail
with a gravel
road it dis the road dis the trail
disappears to me one it's not safe if
you've ever driven down the road with
the high school students two it's super
Dusty and you choke so I think that that
whole thing needs to be rethought and
fixed
um I sent a letter and then I sent my
letter after I had the opportunity to
read the staff report so you got track
changes sorry um part of the problem
with moving the trail that direction is
the same problem that everyone has well
we love the Sportsman's Club you get too
close to the Sportsman Club and frankly
you do want to just sort of hit the
ground especially people who are from
out of town because they don't know if
they're going to get shot so to move the
major trail that is our connection to
park point and other points ever closer
to the Sportsman Club reduces the
quality of that trail substantially
currently it's it's further down quite a
ways away this the uh softball field is
in between so you don't get that
sensation of eminent
but having walked that trail next to all
those cars to cut the Scotch broom I
know that feeling even though I know the
club is there sometimes it just scares
you um so I would
suggest that either you if you're going
to move the trail you require some no
noise mitigation for the trail or you um
continue to have the trail further away
now I'm going to stay with Trails just
because I'm on that top IC there is the
existing uh little baby parking lot by
the softball field and they're saying
that the way the kids get to the high
school from there is skinny along skinny
along that narrow Edge well that is
actually isn't the case what they do is
they come around and they take the
existing Trail or they walk through the
existing parking lot um they basically
go back out along the road for the most
part because it's really sort of
dangerous walking along that little
Trail because they don't control the
blackberries they fertilize them with
their grass clippings instead and so
there's this this Blackberry tendril
that grabs your ankles and tries to
throw you down the hill so I don't
believe that that is the existing
pathway and um I don't think that that
is an appropriate or legitimate Pathway
to assume that any high school student
is going to walk down that trail uh
continuing on with that I'm not exactly
sure and I didn't hear an explanation to
tonight why you would put the high
school parking way down by
Evans um maybe there's a reason that you
don't put the field down by Evans and
have the high school parking actually
closer to the high school it just seems
to make a lot more sense to me but maybe
there is some reason that I don't
understand I I hope you guys understand
what I'm saying there um then we get to
to the the conflicts of cars versus
buses and um right now you have your
buses coming in on Evans and you have
your PE parents doing their drop
off and you have this
corner which is where the parents are
trying to go in and come out and the
buses are coming in so you basically
have the parents taking a leftand turn
in front of the line buses seemingly um
which seems very awkward and so I
thought about this a lot and one thing
is that's actually a significant grade
change right there I think last year I
probably showed you a picture of it
coated in Weeds it does seem like it is
a perfect place to have parking below
separated parking with the entrance
above where the Bus Loop would be on the
top taking up that whole segment
and uh bring the buses in off of second
and bring the people dropping off their
kids in on Evans less impact to the
neighborhood more use of the light with
all those buses um at the original
entrance and then a larger loop on top
and yeah it might be more expensive but
you know what you are creating a a sort
of this odd
Suburban car system with a very Urban
school and so I think you got half of it
right you got the urban school right but
the cars and the drop
off no okay so I'm
GNA 32 buses twice a day do you want to
live there now I think that is a serious
impact it wasn't addressed in the sea no
and it wasn't in the sea checklist so I
didn't understand how they were really
mitigating that by saying we're gonna
have Landscaping I just don't think that
um that does cut it so I am going to
move to the other side of the street
which is the transit center and so it's
so funny because I think the railroad
grade where they're saying that it was
graded before when they did the railroad
cut actually predates the gun club might
be one of the few things in town that
does and I was never really aware that
we took 100y old pregraduate said that
that is now a man-made slope that's
fascinating I don't know if it's
actually true but it's a an an amazing
interpretation um so I disagree with
that the other thing is the staff report
was unclear they actually are going into
the buffer of the Wetland and they do
have to have a mitigation for going into
the Wetland buffer I haven't seen it yet
uh the buffer isn't so bad the Wetland
land is fairly impacted mainly because
the bus barn has been right next to it
for all this time I would prefer to have
most of the mitigation done in helping
repair the wetlands and also because it
is so visible from the Rainer Trail I I
would ask that the fencing that they put
in there be decorative and non-
galvanized because you simply aren't
supposed to have your galvanized chain
link fencing right next to a wetland uh
so I would like a condition for
decorative fencing and uh to get rid of
the galvanized chainlink fencing uh
lessons learned from the high school
it's colorless in the winter um and this
looks to be equally colorless there was
a lot and still is a lot of confusion
for kids who've only been to Flat
schools especially if there is not some
sort of visible locator when you go from
floor to floor you don't know where you
are and they get lost so I don't know
where anybody can talk about
Interiors but I want to bring it up just
in case yall can do something about that
in future design and also uh the
deciduous trees that are mainly in front
of the high school make it look even
more desolate and prison likee in the
winter time even against the Green slope
so I think some more variety in even if
it has to be mechanical to break up some
of that wow we are
brown uh also we have a common condition
now in isqua which is any Disturbed
areas need to be landscaped and I prefer
it to be with Native vegetation within
three months of the completion of the
phase I added the last part uh but what
we find is there are these little bits
of land that are left over and they
basically just grow weeds unless someone
tells someone that they actually have to
PL plant something that is going to look
good and grow well in those places
and we don't need any more weeds you saw
the picture of the Scotch broom up there
which is a residual from the high school
which my understanding still has not
finished their checklist um and they
have lots of weeds growing in their
landscaping and it seems to be a problem
that we cannot surmount so I would like
to to try to get that done to begin with
you've read all the rest I way over my
five minutes got to go thanks
bye all right uh at this point we will
move on to
uh yes uh if there is anybody else that
wants to speak uh you can do so now if
not we will move into commission
discussion again I'll remind folks this
is an opportunity for members of the
development commission to seek
clarification or and we're going to have
rebuttals we're going to have rebuttals
first but then when when the
commissioner speak our objective here is
to get clarification on issues that came
up or in the materials that we received
that were not addressed so far so with
that I'll turn it back over to Amy her
uh objective here is to address some of
the issues that have been brought up by
members of
the so um actually um we do appreciate
um um the comments from Miss Marsh they
were very insightful um I just wanted to
make one clarification uh regarding her
statement that uh the uh proposal will
be um encroaching on the can you hear uh
can you
hearing maybe or you could if you could
get up to the mic that okay sorry I just
want to make sure can we try again is
this better okay let me re repeat what I
said yeah it's been a requested that you
do speak from the main mind thank
you so this is Amy tars again just for
record um I just wanted to address one
statement that um Miss Marsh um
mentioned regarding the wetlands um um
if you I'm um I'm not sure if everybody
brought their staff report on page 31 of
21 um is um an actual um detail of the
uh Wetland with the buffer and um
there's actually two lines that two dash
lines that you see on the on the drawing
one the the the smaller Dash is actually
the buffer and the uh outer dash line is
the uh uh building setback line so the
uh proposed uh parking for uh expanded
Park parking for the buses is actually
um showing um as encroaching on the
building setback line which is
acceptable but it is outside of the
Wetland buffer so I just wanted to make
that clarification
okay thank
you any other staff rebuttal comments
right with that we'll go to uh Comm SOA
you have anything to
ask I I think the comments on the on the
traffic and the impacts of that are
really profound and I the uh notion of
trying
to move from a a car driven Community to
a bus situation really makes a lot lot
of sense to me and so looking at the
potential or the opportunities to
mitigate traffic is is really important
and I don't I don't think we've done a
very good job with that I just see that
as being
a a really great opportunity for for
improvement on the
proposal I ask question
sure um well first of all I I think uh
you're trying to there's a lot lot of
things that we're trying to squeeze into
this small lot here uh I appreciate the
gun club you know
donating the land out and this goes back
before my time before our time but um so
here again we're trying to establish
some good neighbors uh uh be good
neighbors and and um and I appreciate
the school district trying to put in
Middle School in a small lot uh ideally
you know you probably want a lot of land
the Middle School
but that being said uh I agree that uh
there's a lot of parking issues and
traffic issues as crisscross and you
have a lot of kids running around during
um during uh um
School uh start day and then at the end
of school um so that's something that I
I guess we need to maybe look at that
again um and the fact that we're
encouraging people to drive parents to
drive drop off kids you know that it's
pretty evident by the way it's designed
here um but um the question that I have
is how many buses do we have uh is 32
buses per day is that the count that
we're um looking at said and and if
that's you know and then the I'm leading
to is that do you have do we have enough
um holding area for buses or is it a a
sequential you know you're on bus number
two so you come out at such time and
then um move on answer questions uh So
currently I believe there are 29 buses
is that correct um and so we were
planning for a bit of expansion to 32
anticipating the growth um and they do
all fit uh within that bus drop off area
parked at one time in two lines um they
there'll be two lines of buses here
parked parallel to each other they
stagger them it's a very common way to
be very efficient about Bus Parking they
do it currently at the high school that
way um and then they all come are parked
before school is let out and then uh
kids are all loaded on before the first
bus or any bus leaves in the morning
they will come one and two at a time and
drop off and then leave yeah in the in
the morning you know dropping off I I
don't see that as a big issue it's in
the afternoon when the kid gets off and
the kids gets off and you have all those
buses there and the first bus isn't
moving because little Joey is not on the
bus yet so you're holding up all those
buses and that's that's I don't do you
have enough room for U holding area they
will stack from here back to here um and
have the potential even if they you know
grow beyond that number to stack back in
here um that's very typical at schools
that you you wait until everyone's
loaded and then you leave for that very
reason it's a lot of kids there 900 kids
here there are 1800 kids down here a lot
of kids moving um and it's very typical
to say everyone is going to be loaded
before it happens it's also very typical
to separate parent drop off which is
inevitable um to to a certain degree and
certainly when you think about the
number of kids um you know there is many
times more that are on this bus than
they are on the drop off but there is a
NE necessity for a certain amount of
drop off the bus drivers are seen as
professional drivers and um that is a
part of the reason why they are put here
we're putting nonprofessional drivers us
parents um in the condition to be um up
adjacent to the school for that
reason to add a little bit with regards
to the questions Steve Crawford director
of capital projects for the school
district uh to add a little bit to the
questions regarding busing the district
provides busing for every student that
lives in the district there's a one M
radius that the district doesn't get
funded for but transportation in those
areas that are that safe walk path would
cross busy streets and things there's
Transportation provided for those kids
as
well the district has the sixth largest
public transportation system in the
state we provide transportation to the
middle and high school today that
averages between 1400 and 1500 students
a
day there is an emphasis to try and
encourage kids to ride the bus High fuel
prices have helped lower prices now
they're selling lots more SUVs now um
but we do encourage kids to ride the bus
uh there is no way that you can mandate
every kid that rides the bus there are
strong parental concerns by some that uh
it's not safe to let their kid wait at a
bus stop or uh walk to school so there's
going to always be some percentage of
parents who are going to drive their
kids there are kids who have after
school activities and things like that
that parents pick them up and and move
off to too as well but there is really a
pretty strong commitment to busting and
a
strong transportation system that does
transport a lot a large number of
kids good um I guess getting back to my
point too is that you know you mentioned
that there are a lot of um
unprofessional drivers driving around in
this well you got little Joey that needs
to catch his buz and he's going to run
through two lines of traffic before it
gets through his first bus so you have
know the potential of accident is fairly
High um uh run what doesn't show in the
plan here because the scale is that this
is a rain Garden in between
here so that's difficult to cross
there's also a 4 foot fence that runs on
the outside of the parent drop off
across through here so that kids who are
going to the bus will travel this
pathway or they'll travel this pathway
and then load onto the buses so there is
a conscious separation and a recognized
need to be able to prevent kids from
just running across the parking lot
anywhere that they might want to and
what did you say you have a separation
do you have a fence of some kind that
loops around in that area there would be
a fence on the outside oh this is
actually a 2 to 4ft retaining wall along
this souths side of the middle school
parking that drops down to the
bus fence uhuh correct
okay ray can I jump in just on that
subject Mr kapler brought up the idea of
why not have the bus lanes adjacent to
the middle
school and switched over uh We've looked
at a number of different options with
regards to bus and parent circulation if
you were to run the buses in through
here
your buses are dropping off closest to
the school and then they're running back
out through here that would mean that
parents are coming up and dropping off
in this Zone here so now all of the kids
who are getting dropped off by the
parents have that greater potential for
moving across the bus drivers are
professionals uh there's a limited
number of buses far few trips by
vehicles uh with 29 to 32 buses than
there are with parents and fewer
Crossings so we've looked at it we felt
that this really did provide the safest
separation uh and situation for
students I uh yeah I the same thing um
to stay on the same subject uh I
understand the school board sets its
policy uh regarding what it tries to
encourage and discourage but uh would it
not help
encourage people to put their kids on
the bus if they're in the option you
know the optimal area have the buses
have priority on loading and movement
and if you want to pick up your kit you
do it further away from the building and
you wait to move in or out of the area
until the buses have completed their job
well it becomes a question of how far
you put them away and how how many
Crossings and what kind of travel paths
yeah I'm just suggesting that you said
that you can't mandate and I understand
that but but you can certainly uh would
seem it would be possible to provide uh
the
priorities on proximity and movement to
buses well you you know the middle
school and high school kids ride the
same same bus they have for number of
years and they will continue uh to ride
the same bus so basically you're looking
at a situation where the bus pick up and
drop off has a shared priority between
the Middle School and the high school
and that's really what's suggesting that
it's it's located in this area um
the I don't see that putting the bus
lane here and the parents here is going
to make any difference in terms of
desirability as to whether you ride the
bus or not it's going to mean that that
uh there's more kids that are are
crossing parent traffic areas than than
there would be in the plan that's
proposed I'm sorry can I particularly
when you consider that the high school
kids then have to cross all that parent
traffic well I get I guess that I mean I
guess I trust high schoolers in front of
parent traffic more than middle
schoolers I'm thinking if if where the
bus zone is SH now if that's where the
parents drop off that one long
Lane the neither that that one if that's
where the parents drop off and the buses
are all near the school the kids that
are crossing in front of parent drivers
which are not as good as the bus
drivers only the kids that are coming in
and out of those cars cuz those those
kids when they walk around to the side
there they're Crossing in front of buses
but again the buses are better
drivers it's not the kids getting out of
buses that are crossing in front of
parent drivers which are not as good
drivers yeah this does limit the The
Crossings to primarily the East and West
Ends and those are locations where there
will be monitored staff addressing and
holding
cars and the way it's set up now the
kids crossing on the East End are
crossing in front of parent drivers not
bus drivers on this end there is and
that is a controlled Crossing but it
also means that the high school students
who are coming up Don't Have To Cross
all of the Middle School Parent drop
off high school students
yeah well how about the intersection
where this all all meet right here right
there
who who Who's you you got traffic
control there to okay parents two cars
can come through now oop stop here comes
a bus we're stopping the buses just came
right in front of the school you
wouldn't have any
conflict right now you got parents
Crossing in front of buses right now the
buses come in for the middle school and
high school and we'll drop off um the
high school
schedule is
uh earlier than the middle school so
buses are going to come in for a 7:25
High School uh opening and drop off kids
um the Middle School 7:40 start parents
are going to start to come later so
buses will have arrived and uh typically
in the morning there are ones and twos
that come in at a time and drop off and
the kids will disperse uh
afternoon uh Middle School schol gets
out earlier the buses will all be
stacked in here prior to their 205
dismissal and then parents will start to
arrive to pick up kids and
um standard practice the kids are
escorted to the bus even at the high
school level there are staff that are
along the bus line and once all the kids
are loaded into the bus then they give
the approval for the buses to leave and
they all leave as a platoon they don't
leave individually
there just
a I guess on the question of the
logistics of getting people students
parents buses in and out of the campus
um trying to figure it out in a 4-Hour
meeting and something that you guys have
given significant thought to I think for
hours and days and probably months
months um but I I have some other
questions I think we talked about this
the last time trying to understand the
impact of this
um this arrange has particularly on the
Evans Street the properties along Evans
Street the currently um for Clark
Elementary and I don't think Tiger has
bus access but what do buses currently
access the schools from Evans Street I
know the high school doesn't but uh uh
Clark access is basically from about
this
location uh up along the west side and
then they exit basically at this
intersection okay and uh current there
is no uh other than somebody getting
lost and using the upper high school
parking lot entrance no bus traffic here
um we again looked at a number of
different options in the original
proposal that was presented earlier bus
traffic came in off of Evans and loop
back around and came back out on Evans
we felt that that was a duplication of
bus traffic that that wasn't necessary
and that exiting the buses at the
traffic light allowed for uh control
movements and movements in both the
North and South directions which was an
easier
exit
um the 29 to 32 buses that would access
along Evans twice a day uh is
significantly fewer vehicle trips than
if you had as
suggested uh parents and visitors
accessing off of Evans uh that bus
traffic occurs basically twice a day and
a very very sort of limited time frame
if you have parent and visitor traffic
coming in off of Evans that's something
that occurs all day long and it occurs
into the evening hours for after school
events and uh we felt that the bus
traffic there was a lot less of an
impact than uh the vehicle trips that
would be generated by uh parents and
visitors another just another question
so I understand the kind of the big
picture so buses that currently in the
access lanes and drives for the high
school but what happens to that space
it's not on the site plan that's a
fairly significant area now that will
not be used for buses in in this and and
that area once the phase two work is
completed will be reconfigured for
additional high school parking okay and
were thoughts given to trying to use
that access point as a loop to bring the
buses from the high school and then back
out at the signal and having a similar
location for the drop off yeah we did
look at that as well but uh then in
general you're making the middle school
kids walk a lot further to get to the
bus uh that the location that was more
Central between the two schools was a
better location for bus pickup and drop
off
um combining the bus Loops does a couple
of things it uh reduces the total amount
of impervious area on the two sites um
currently if you were to create a
separate Bus Loop for the Middle School
you'd be picking up dropping off kids at
the high school and then the buses are
back out on S back out on Second Avenue
and then accessing the the Middle
School excuse me either through Evans or
through the traffic lights so combining
them brings the buses in uh brings them
out at the traffic light keeps and it
reduces the amount of bus trips on
Second Avenue I think another thing to
consider in this whole overall scheme is
that tied together with this is the
relocation of Clark and Tiger Mountain
to the current esqua Middle School
campus So currently the buses are
circulating from the Middle School off
of First Avenue back across to Second
down Second Avenue to the high school
and then departing from there um this
whole overall scheme reduces that tra
that bus traffic to this core area right
here uh elementary school
buses Clark excuse me Clark currently
has four to five buses so the 29 to 32
buses that are currently traveling
through downtown and on First Avenue
will be reduced to about four to five
buses uh part of the request related to
new traffic counts was to incorporate
the traffic Counts from the Tiger
Mountain and Clark Elementary Schools
being on a new site uh such that the
traffic mitigation for this whole
overall project is considered as one
piece and uh taken as a whole
can
sorry could you just remind me please of
what is going to be where the present
Middle School what the plan is for that
site once this uh this is
completed so at the current esal Middle
School site
the majority of the Middle School uh
area will be the new Clark Elementary so
conceptually the front access
administration building common central
hallway remains in place behind that
there's a new uh multi-purpose room gym
and Music Room uh
the areas that are currently occupied by
the single story campus plan classrooms
will be uh demolished and Consolidated
into a much more energy efficient two
struct twostory elementary school
building uh the area where the current
classrooms are will become partly hard
surface play area and the elementary
school will use the Western portion of
the current track grass area as their
soft play play area and the traffic uh
the traffic or
that modified facility will be
essentially the same in terms of count
and access to uh isqua Hobart uh it is
now uh CL CLK CLK as an elementary
school will have a smaller population
than the middle school and again
significantly different numbers of buses
the attendance area is much smaller so
that uh it's using four to five buses
versus the 29 and projected to be 32
buses that will the current the 29 that
currently Ser serve the middle and high
school you envisioned that ultimate
completion of these moves to have uh say
reduce result in reduced traffic uh now
on on front uh Front Street I think that
where the traffic comes out of the
middle school as it is now the front and
sunset interchange should see re reduced
traffic the traffic on First Avenue and
the cross street there should be reduced
as well when those uh when that area
becomes an elementary in the Tiger
Mountain any other
questions yeah um you got some Portables
over there
um right here yeah yeah what's the the
the plan for
those well we typically provide space on
New School site plans to allow for four
double Portables that's eight eight
classrooms uh to accommodate uh
increases in growth we know that the
city has approved the core area
development plan which uh is projected
to generate another 2,800
students um that's a pretty significant
an impact to the school district uh with
regards to the fact that that would
generate enough kids
to as percentages go fill two
elementaries a middle school and about
half of a high school so we doesn't it
make sense to with those portable sounds
like you the school district needs those
rooms doesn't it make sense to have
those classroom in the new building and
then open up that
area and so my second question is that
is there any reason why we're not
scooting this whole complex further to
the West so that we could open up the
parking separate the parking I I've seen
you can probably do a better parking
where one side of the building is for
parents the other side of the building
are for Bus drop off seems like you're
kind of squeezing yourself in that
little
corner well the the Portables would be
seen as an interim solution for
additional classroom
spaces um the the long-term buildout you
know if you consider the fact that there
is no vacant or underutilized land in
the core area of isqua there there are
no 10 acre sites that we could acquire
for new elementary schools we we have to
look at maximizing the utilization of
our existing sites first and uh our
sites will become significantly more
dense in the future part of this
planning process envisions that this
area right here will become a future
three-story classroom Edition and the
need for that totally predicated on the
buildout um it's really hard to project
future student
populations uh by what
year uh when there's going to be as much
growth potential as there is the longer
it takes to build out the more aging we
have of existing population I and I
understand that and that's why I guess I
I'm trying to figure out why do you need
portable future portable classroom when
here we are building a new building why
could you just you add to the new new
building the classroom that you would
need and then thus you can take out the
future portable you know that' be a
space and eventually scoot the building
over and that'll give you the parking or
or the the transit commun Transportation
uh separation
uh and and I'm just throwing it out you
know as parents on the east side parents
drop off on the east side of the
building and then school buses drop off
on the south side of the building so we
have this real clear safety deoration
well you're going to have Crossings in
this Zone unless you put the bus traffic
in a two-way Direction on Evans or you
put the parent traffic in an Ingress and
egress uh mode on Evans and so uh All
Things
Considered uh we felt that this was the
best solution provided the least amount
of impact to the neighbors to the north
uh basically we are looking at staff
parking on the east and north and that
the parent visitor parking is on the
south uh which also provides for that
space to be utilized by the high school
for events when it's after hours for the
middle
school I hear what you said Steve but I
don't quite agree with it there's
there's better a way of segregating the
bus versus the parents drop off uh seems
to me your there's a Clark building that
you're trying to stay away from that's
why your middle school was Tu tucked
away on the east
side like Mike says you know you
probably spend a lot of time thinking
about Ted well the area that's to the
west of the building where the future
Portables are located until there's an
need for that that space is basically
Playfield area for the middle school I
mean yeah we we'd like not to put
Portables in but to to build out the
full addition is is millions of dollars
that wasn't a part of the bond that was
put together in 2011 and improved in
2012 I got two
questions and I first one I'd like to
know can you address Connie Marsh's
question about about why that parking
lot north of the new field for high
school students North isn't on the south
end closer to the high school the
Northwest well Connie I think was
talking about this parking here which is
the current parking that serves Tiger
Mountain Community High School uh We've
looked at that two things happen you
could move the football field North here
and you could put the you could rebuild
you could demo the parking move the
football field North and then put
parking down here uh physically that
fits what happens is that you lose a lot
more of the existing trees in the north
corner of this area here and the
retaining wall Heights get significantly
higher because the grades are dropping
off from this point down to the
intersection at Evans and Second Avenue
so it became visually much more
impacting than this situation here okay
it's a good answer good answer um the
other question I have is
um we have we we looked at this
project 18 months ago yeah something
like that and then apparently it was put
on hold for money or something and then
redesigned I'm not mistaken the original
project was only two stories the
original building was a two-story
classroom configuration the track and
field replaced the high school softball
fields in this area and it extend
extended up into this Zone there was the
softball field that got built up into
this area and a relocation of the Gun
Club Road uh to provide additional space
to accommodate that
um circulation patterns were a little
bit different uh we looked at that uh we
at that time realized that there was a
need for preserving some additional Site
Area for future potential expansion and
we moved to the three-story plan the
original two-story plan extended further
out this way to accommodate the the same
number of classrooms in two stories is
three stories so we basically compacted
the building went to three stories
instead of two stories allows for future
potential expansion in this area if it's
needed in the future and uh meant that
we could save all the trees in this
section up in here we have shown this as
uh it's not part of the current funded
project and it's not part of what would
be built in the phase one uh two or
three that were shown uh but we have
shown this to include this in our
traffic counts so that it would be a
part of that overall traffic analysis
and we wouldn't be coming back later and
looking at that uh for the time being
this will remain in trees and there
there there is a need to relocate the
trail outside of its current pathway
that runs through the middle of the
school site that's a Safety and Security
Hazard that our Consultants have
recommended is a significant liability
and needs to be addressed and that the
trail needs to be relocated out of the
core of the school site so yeah that's
fine the question I have is regard to
the building
size it's now three stories but smaller
design one of the concerns we had the
last time we looked at it was that
courtyard was going to be blocked MH
there was two stories now it's going to
be three stories and in the winter time
it's going to be even darker looks like
it's wider than it was it seems to me I
remember it being kind of a triangle
looking thing where trapezoid last
time did we add more classrooms total to
the design or did we just push them and
raise them there was one classroom that
was added in going from two stories to
three stories to to fill out the same
footprint area on the third floor uh the
configuration of the building or Al had
an angle in the classroom Wing here
there was a narrower area of space
between the East and the west wings as
in the original and this has been
widened out um yeah we've looked at that
we've looked at Sun angles and things
like that so we we do understand and and
there is a lot of transparency in the
building in this area
so is has the building just regard to
what commissioner dong said regards to
the
Portables is the building
designed for chance to add another floor
later
on uh the building's not designed to add
another floor but it is designed to
expand out to the north with a an
additional three or that's that addition
could go more stories okay and and
that's part of what articulates the the
window area in the north wall versus the
area that's solid Windows is is that
that ties into a future expansion okay
thank you uh sir in the material that
was provided to the Commissioners by the
uh City staff on page
51 refers to Frontage improvements along
Second Avenue include a 10-ft wide
sidewalk and I'm quoting that serve a
shared use Trail for bike and pedestrian
circulation
uh we all know that in the Seattle area
there is a
constant conflict between bicyclers and
cars and pedestrians and I believe that
the state law says that bicycles are
vehicles and they are not to go on side
walks and there's there are penalties
for doing that so I'm not I I know this
as a trail but how do you how do you
propose to safely mix uh it it's done on
public Trails the Trail I understand
that but those are you is this does this
fall into that category in terms of uh
mixed use I it's a similar situation the
section of Second Avenue along the front
of the high school is basically set up
currently in charos where the bike lane
shares the traffic
lane uh as we've discussed with the city
the options as you proceeded north um
you could continue the charos uh the I
think the overall sense was that but a
wider combined bike and pedestrian path
on the east side of the roadway provided
a safer circulation pattern there's also
what is shown here as as a bike path
that that basically connects down to the
reineer trail because currently there
are no bike Lanes on the section of
Second Avenue uh north of Evans to
Sunset so that bicycle use on the Rainer
Trail would be able to use the new Conor
this was a paved uh pathway up that
provides a Crossing into the the shared
use uh pathway that provides access
directly into the middle school without
crossing any traffic patterns crosses
high school students at the traffic
signal which then puts them onto a
sidewalk walk path into the front of the
building okay um all right thank you do
we have any more are there any more
questions for this gentleman before we
proceed uh for the architect no for the
school board representative not thank
you sir appreciate
it um the question I have is for uh the
tracks um you have seatings right here
is that all the seatings that you need
for a
school
that's uh traditionally there's not much
seating that's used for Middle School
events and so as as was explained there
is the section here that was set up with
Terrace seating there's a grass Bank
along here for any overflow sort of
event uh but typically middle schools
don't have any more bleacher seating
than what shown
here number seems pretty
small seem there I'm sorry one more
question but what's the the what would
the off hours access and parking be for
the athletic fields for people in nights
and weekends that wanted to use the
field
um typically the school parking lots are
open that was one of the other
advantages of keeping this parking on
the North End here where it already
exists is that it provides great level
access to the football field track um
which is striped for soccer and Lacrosse
and basically there's a short rise up to
the softball field level here so that
there is this parking available to serve
both of the playfields for after hours
use just out of curiosity if that was
full would I then would I go to the
upper loading upper parking lot or for
football field events and things yeah um
you I would say that they probably use
the the parent visitor parking in this
area would be the next area right that's
that's closest okay thank you I do have
it strikes me is amazing that we're
spending so much time talking about
parking uh I just especially private
occupants or private vehicles but has
there been uh I personally have
experienced the phenomenon that was
mentioned by some of our uh members of
the public and it was also in the uh
prepared documents about the apparent uh
lack of enforcement of parking laws
rules codes whatever on Evans uh does
the school board and or does the city
ever actually tow away cars that are
parked next to towway own is that ever
enforced it's it's because it's it's
it's literally every day I mean I've
been on that road Monday Tuesday
Wednesday whatever and it's it's I mean
it's
complete uh how should I say it avoiding
uh clearly
signed the south side of the street is
is signed for no parking
um I don't know whose responsibility
enforcement of that would be it's mostly
students right I'm sure that it's
students well so is this a she said she
said whose job is it to enforce it
because it is an issue I mean it's a
safety issue it's a scoff law issue and
it's something that affects the
residents there it affects the members
and the users of the Sportsman's Club
and I don't quite understand understand
why why kids are learning that they can
park anywhere they want with no
consequences
yeah as noted the RightWay ends at this
point so any speeding down through here
would have to be City
enforced uh the reason I'm not exactly
clear who enforces this up here is that
this is School District property but
there's an easement that was granted to
the city for access to the gun club
Sportsman Club clubhouse and shooting
range so I'm I'm not really certain of
the legal standing
of does the Sportsman's Club to the best
of your knowledge ever have overflow
parking where people park there on on on
Evans or is it or is the parking usually
for the sportsman's club members or
users in the parking lot that's provided
by you yeah the the road is pretty much
all used by students parking and when
our parking lot which does overflow
sometimes because we're limited yeah um
it's on weekday yeah almost impossible
for M to find parking because and
sometimes just access to the club is
hard because of students park the middle
of the road
onner yeah uh so uh I I since we've
spent so much time talking about parking
and you've spent so much time planning
it uh I it seems to me that one of the
things that we can start with in terms
of leadership here is to uh provide
consequences for people that that
violate violate the laws and cause
problems for everybody else yeah and the
determination of who's responsible for
that you know I'll leave it up to the
city and the and the school board but
it's it's just uh I think it's something
that sounds like it ought to be
addressed okay um I think another go
ahead I was going to say another thing
that's that that impacts and will
continue to impact to a greater degree
in the future is the County's ruling
that all schools will be located within
the urban growth boundary line and that
basically may be an unintended
consequence but that means that every
student in the rural area is going to
get transported to a school that's
inside the urban line and some
percentage of those are going to be
parents and the further out in the rural
area they get the larger the percentage
of that parent driving population
probably becomes um but that's that's a
given given County policy do you know if
the school board is uh looking you
mentioned earlier encouraging uh the use
of the buses uh is there
any uh embryonic plan to try to get to a
point where as is the case with the city
of Seattle where they're uh uh looking
at actually reducing the number of cars
that are brought onto campus on a daily
basis uh that gets back to a question
that comes up regularly and has come up
in this process where there's
suggestions that we should have more
parking and we should build tiered
parking garages and there's other
suggestions that we should reduce the
number of parking spaces and if we
reduce the number of parking spaces and
that creates potent you know potential
of pressure on adjacent public streets
if there's parking on a public Street
then it's a public Street and anybody
can park there and you
know oh all
right okay um are there any more oh I do
at the the parking lot there uh adjacent
that that is in the
future uh could you tell the commission
again I mean I understand we understand
that that's not in the current phasing
but what would be the impact on the
trees that are there now if this plan is
put in place um this is an area that was
a skate range y um this is not an area
of old growth trees uh there are trees
in there um
and to to put parking in here will
require the removal of some trees um it
yeah they're not old growth trees a lot
of them have been sort of stunted by
pellets Etc uh there's more significant
trees on on the the north side and
there's some larger trees sort of back
along the north perimeter of the
road okay um there is a tree survey
that's included in the documents that
shows the sizes and
locations there will be one one Reader
sign to serve both schools there will be
one Reader sign to sign to serve both
schools the initial thought was that the
Middle School sign well
there was one sign put in for the high
school and psse came in and put a
Transformer box in front of it so you
can't really read it so the original
plan although sign has to be in a
separate permit was that the reader
board would be raised so that the bottom
of it is basically at the top of the
Transformer cabinet and that the signage
would indicate both the middle school
and the high school you do you have
um document mented evidence that the
reader board serves as a net plus in
terms of providing information to people
that they would not otherwise get as
opposed to a net safety issue when we've
taking so much time to talk about
people texting while they're driving and
talking on cell phones and reader boards
are essentially look at me distraction
right at the main
intersection I don't know how I don't
know that it's Quantified I'm not
exactly sure how you do that I would
hope they'd stop texting to read the
reader board where the other they're not
looking at the
road now as you can't
see okay all right I I just it strikes
me as a kind of uh reader boards in
general as a as a planned distraction to
people that are already distracted and
that location of there with that level
of traffic is really problematic well um
all of the schools have a reader board
um there's only two in the city that
have electronic reader boards the rest
of them do have manually replacable
boards uh that do provide information
about events and activities
okay yeah and it it it's on a limited
scrolling basis so it's okay not like
the some of the signs that all right
commissioner yes uh maybe a little
subject change and try to um maybe
understand better some of the design um
kind of conclusions that youve reached
maybe these are from David uh so a
couple questions one is you talked a bit
about um having compatibility with the
high school but then having uh kind of a
standalone presence of the middle school
and and I look at the
two pallets I guess and there's so much
similarity I I'm I'm struggling to get
the the independence of middle school
and and I think to clarify that that was
really at a site planning level you know
we looked at how close the middle school
would be how much they could feel almost
part of one school um and it was really
determined that it needed to have you
know a really distinct front door um
distinct arrival Point distinct presence
on the site um at the same time it's
meant to look as a cohesive campus you
know as as if you were in a college
University campus where there might be
you know a common material tying the
campus together but you would have
different departments you know having
their own
identity so uh couple more design
related questions so the you've heard
this staff you heard staff talk about
the blank wall um conditions that exist
in several locations I guess the one
that struck me I um initially as I was
going through the staff report was just
at the entryway and in the LGE large
kind of blank wall I know it's got
texture to it but blank wall and then
the last rendering that you showed
showed the trees in there if you take
the trees out or you take the leaves off
the trees you got a fairly
tall Stark wall so there was a suggest
couple of Suggestions by staff to do
something to add more texture or to put
um roof covering um some weather
protection and have you thought about
those Solutions or have you talked with
staff about those I I agree something
else needs to happen there and I'm just
trying to understand what the right
solution is and how far you've gone and
you're thinking about
that well and and I think what um a
couple things uh we were looking at was
one you know kind of the presence of a
wall um and a canopy would certainly
change the presence as the image showed
that Amy showed From Below you wouldn't
see the top of the wall um and so
there's maybe a scaling Factor but from
a distance I you know I think you still
would see quite a bit of the wall above
it and what you would lose is the trees
you know the reality is there's a
limited amount of space there and if you
put a canopy of any you know
significance uh that was not was more
than just decorative but truly
functional you would be pushing out and
those trees would would go um we see the
trees as being you know a important and
significant element here and I know
that's not um specifically considered as
a way to mitigate a blank wall um but it
is I think a reality that this building
is surrounded by rows of trees and you
know they do make an impact um I also
you know did want to and we actually
brought a sample the material that we're
using on that it is a highlight you we
there have been discussions around
changing patternings textures of
concrete block um this is a uh a cement
boort panel with a very
articulated um joint patterns these
aren't joints that will disappear and
appear you know very blank and as you
can see there you know that is very
intentionally uh looking at a variety of
patterns to give some interest to that
wall um I also think relative to the
high school and some of the walls that
are there with the scale of the building
this is actually very comparable and
even smaller we have the gym size of the
middle school isn't anything nearer like
the size of the high school um and you
know schools have those types of spaces
which one would expect that often the
these uh rules around articulation you
know are not necessarily thought of with
spaces of of this nature so um whether
or not a canopy or not would be useful I
mean that's something certainly you know
um you know we live in the Pacific
Northwest you know is it something that
is um you know with 900 kids coming out
of there can you ever do a canopy that
is adequate I mean we we have these
debates at schools often so it's not
something I think in our even for the
high school there was a thought could we
do a canopy all the way out to Second
Avenue you know
just to understand sort of the the
usefulness of how much of a canopy um is
going to really serve its purpose Mike I
have a followup on on your question for
the city uh for the staff do the kinds
of uh I I guess embossing uh for one of
better architectural term that we see on
the sunset interchange on and several of
the new uh interchanges on the
interstate where they've got in the
concrete they've got patterns patterns
or salmon or something like that is that
um when it comes to how an architect
addresses a large wall is that would
that be considered by the city to be
acceptable
mitigation um certainly and um in fact
uh we have um suggested that for some of
the retaining walls there's actually one
13 foot tie retaining wall that's going
to be along um what is uh just south of
the um the faculty parking as you said
with it could be the logo of the school
or uh in this in the notes right um so
that's that's a different
location um yeah there we go I think so
you're referring to this yeah there's
actually going to be a 13t high
retaining wall there um so however
because the material they're using is um
the um Hardy plank or the um um what's
the what's the official term again for
that the um yes this the fiber
cement um you can't really do the
embossing on that particular type of
material um and if I may I'd also like
to um uh note that uh before we um
recommended the covered walkway we
actually did a sketch and we measured
whether or not a walkway will will
actually be um accommodated by the space
there um and basically um you could uh
provide a let's say even like a 5 foot
wide covered
walkway with um and with the trees um
again the trees will eventually grow
taller than the roof line and in
addition to that you can always uh
consider columnar trees um because those
will have more of a you know vertical
profile and again it will mitigate the
blank wall
so this just give you an example of the
strong articulation of those joints that
we'll we'll see on that on that
patterning
there did
you on that same I guess the could you
show us
again I I was a little frustrated by the
staff report in terms of the the page
that showed the blank wall and then the
blank wall thees including this so to me
it doesn't represent what you're going
to see because it doesn't show the whole
wall as it should be and I think if you
can show the elevations page
again so there where you can see the
full size of the wall and If This Were A
If This Were a commercial office
building project that came to us and we
saw that blank wall on the left of the
gym I understand it's a gym and
everything but
I don't think there's any way the city
would allow that to go through even
though it might be articulating concrete
and so forth and I'm not even sure that
just a canopy at the bottom would make a
difference there again I'm try to make
sure that we don't discriminate against
a commercial project versus a public
project differently and blank walls are
a big issue and so I think and I guess
in the same question for Amy and your
condition with regard that on page 57
your condition C5 it said on the south
elevation the applicant shall mitigate
the blank wall of the gym with the
following option and then there's one or
two and I don't know if you meant with
both of the following options or one of
the following
options
um it's uh page 57 of 63 of the staff
report sure
um basically it's one or the other
so alternative one will be to provide a
covered walkway right or alternative is
to um um use Windows trellises wall
articulation so these are examples that
are actually cited in the design
standards okay and okay I guess I
wouldn't agree that just a covered
walkway would be enough to break up that
much of that big of a blank
wall and and so you're more than welcome
to revise the condition yes thank you
Mike did you have something else I was
just going to respond real quickly too
and and I had concerns about whether
canopy that's 8 feet off the ground or 9
ft off the ground is really going to do
much to break up the
visual uh size of the wall when you're
looking at it from the high school or
down below I think that there's some
other vertical elements that probably
need to take place and I think the trees
do help Amy mentioned that there's a 13t
retaining wall up by the uh fields to
the east of the building and we've
talked with the design team and the
landscape architect about uh putting a
wire grid and and wire on there to
basically make that a green wall I think
that that's along the lines of a trellis
and there may be some continuity and
design and Landscape features between
what goes on the wall and what might
happen on on the blank wall that that we
will look at addressing those concerns
thank you thank you I have a just just a
quick technical question for staff uh in
the staff report I don't remember
remember what page it's on but you're
talking about and you mentioned in your
report or your presentation this evening
about the building is over height for
the what's currently allowed in the zone
and because it's on a property adjacent
to a non-conforming condition which you
refer to the high school being
non-conforming that you could also
create another non-conforming condition
that is replicated on this property and
if I remember when we did the high
school I think we did an adjustment of
standards for the high school so I don't
know it's technically a non-conforming
building so I'm wondering how you got
there I'm struggling a little bit
understanding the
technical connection that you're using a
non-conforming condition for actually
and re that same Clause was used for the
high school and and basically what that
Clause is and it only applies to
community facilities like schools or
city buildings um but yeah it allows you
to expand an existing non-conformity if
it shows that there's going to be public
benefit to do that and with the high
school similarly the existing High
school that was there before was
exceeding the 30 foot height of the
single family Suburban zone so they were
expanding a non-conformity then this is
on the same lot it's again expanding to
non-conformity okay and and I I also
noted that that we tried to pull the
building back from Evan Street too to
make sure that we didn't have something
towering over the top of the
neighborhood
so
um I want to go to
a different topic area and that's kind
of construction impacts and mitigation y
um particularly related to what's going
on on Evans Street so um a couple of
things that I noticed one is uh or heard
that construction access is going to be
from Evans Street we're not coming in
through the school property as it exists
now so we're going to be bringing in all
of the equipment materials staff Etc and
I'm just wondering what are we doing to
mitigate impacts here right it it
actually I I misspoke it the
construction access
um would also be coming in from the
Clark entrance the existing Clark
entrance as well um sorry I get back to
that so through that current main entry
of Clark as well will be additional as
well or as well yes so both both off
evens and Main entry right well not the
main entry to Clark right main entry to
Clark right
so can I
um maybe Mr Crawford can answer this as
far as trying to manage impacts because
obviously the contractor can make
choices about where they're going to
stage and and Etc are there going to be
conditions that you're going to put into
the contracts here that are going to try
to do some work to mitigate some of
those potential impacts by um directing
the contractor to operate a certain
way one of the real advantages we have
on this project is that we went to the
capital
facilities
um project advisory review board and we
approved to use general contractor
construction management for this project
so we have
Cornerstone uh selected and as a part of
the team uh they were the architect I
not the Architects but they were the
contractors for the esam high school and
they're on board so we have been
discussing throughout the course of the
development of the project how we're
going to stage to work how they're going
to access and and such so um the area
that's down in here was going to be
created to allow for additional parking
and staging the contractor will be using
the area for this in this area of the
parking uh for construction staging for
the initial construction of the element
of the Middle School they'll also be
using this area in the front here so
access is intended to be at the Clark
entrance into these zones
and Evans into the area back around to
the east south and north of the
building can you give us a is it 5050 I
mean what's to the folks living on on
Evans who will be impacted by that is it
going to be most the heavy equipment
comes in one way and the staff uh
construction staff private Vehicles go
in another what what's I don't know that
it's 50/50 there's probably a little
higher percentage of of construction
activi it's coming in here uh the
reality is there's probably some traffic
that's going to come in at the traffic
light uh in off peak school hours uh in
the middle of the day and things like
that during the construction of the
building here so it's it's going to get
split up and kind
of distributed as between the the
different areas depending on on what
type of materials uh there's access from
uh the Clark entrance through here to to
gain access into here
um some of the access into the Courtyard
area depend on what what phases of the
work they're working on whether they're
trying to set steel and need a crane and
whether they're pumping concrete or
working inside the
building this U probably out of scope
for this but I I just sensitivity to the
residential neighborhoods when you do a
large project like this is
important I don't have any other
questions on that
any other
gentlemen before we go ahead I have a
couple questions um this I think for Amy
um on the design
standards it's on page
16
um in the second paragraph paragraph I
guess it is under the library's East
Elevation the middle says the corner of
the school which consists of the library
and the administrative offices on the
ground floor should be designed so that
when viewed at the corner the
two it looks like it starts another
sentence and I'm trying to figure out
what
the do what they would do yeah so um
this is now designer speak right um if
you actually look at the um uh
fenestration on the um um main or the
South elevation for the library and the
um
Administration um and you know this if
you notice the rhythm of the um windows
it's not replicated on the um when you
turn the corner and so um I'm
recommending that to um reinforce the
Integrity of the spaces within um in the
exterior because that's the same space
to be treated the same way on the
exterior does that make sense so the
what should the sentence read
then second sentence down
should two intersecting exterior walls
were perceived as two sides of the same
box oh so that just added a sentence in
there or something and yeah and I
apologize
so Lucy just U pointed out to me that
there's an error in the staff report was
that one sense that that ended up
inserted there so as as said would be
the two intersecting exterior walls
would be a perceived a two side okay
exctly exactly thank you probably the
with the recessed entry will be extended
to match to
scen thank
you um and then I guess the other
question was the will the traffic study
be completed before the city council
take action on this the traffic the
traffic study
um schedule wise yes the traffic study
will be completed um as far as whether
all the mitigation will be identified um
we don't know because we we have uh we
haven't seen what the traffic impact
analysis is going to say I say so it
would be up to the council to decide if
they want to approve this not knowing
exactly mitigation might be yeah and let
me let me expand on uh commissioner
Morgan's question on that because I
thought I think it was a very uh
relevant point that was brought up by
one of the members of the public that
spoke uh could could staff please uh
explain to the public how it is that the
development commission can be asked to
approve a project when the sea hasn't
been completed traffic mitigations have
not been identified and so on what what
the process is to provide that
information to the city council when the
development commission uh has to make a
decision to refer or not without that
information I think it's really
important that that there be very clear
process definition
here yeah as you know you're you're
you're making a recommendation to the
city council and they're the ultimate
decision makers on the master site plan
the site development permission
and what is unique about this uh as we
mentioned earlier is that the the school
district is is the lead on issuing the
sea determination and that's a little
different because normally as Amy
mentioned the city's doing it I think
the reason that that hasn't been done
already um it's kind of a chicken and
egg situation where I don't think they
wanted to because of this real condensed
time frame that we're all trying to meet
in order to meet the time schedule of
the school district I think one of the
things they didn't want to do is uh
issue a SE determination and then we
have this meeting and then that they
have to either revise the sea
determination or uh you know reissue a
new determination so in order to just do
it once uh they wanted to wait until
after we had this meeting so that that
determination should be issued before
the city council meeting though and at
that point yes the city council can
decide whether the mitigation that's in
that determination is adequate for them
to make a decision or
not any further
questions yeah yeah just a basic one uh
have you guys thought about energy uh
other than just the regular um uh HVAC
and and heating and lighting have you
thought about like know solar panels or
something that uh that the green
society's
pushing or are we so rich that we don't
have to think about things like like
that no we've looked at all kinds of
different Alternatives and we've been
pretty creative in some things uh We've
even looked at pretty extensive
photovoltaic arrays uh to the point
where the county decided that they'd
have to permit as a power plant and kind
of kill the project um as far as
individual buildings go we are looking
at high performance buildings all of the
buildings comply or exceed with the
standards set by the Washington
sustainable schools
protocol uh since about the year 2000 in
the districts added about 33% to square
footage of building inventory and our
BTU consumption is basically the same as
it was at that point in time so we've
been building energy efficient buildings
there's a lot of strategies that are
Incorporated in this building I think
David could
probably talk about those sure um I
mentioned um daylighting generally with
photovoltaics um we are we're always
looking at uh life cycle cost uh
paybacks particularly when um think
considering spending the taxpayers money
um and phot tax really for school
districts unless there are significant
incentives um really have a difficult
time uh penciling out as a payback even
today um so we're looking there's a lot
better use of those dollars that could
be used to buy phal TS to put into more
efficient systems and envelopes and
windows that all have uh uh a big bang
for your buck um to put in so many words
so we have a um to start with a very
tight building envelope um a completely
exterior uh building
insulation um fiberglass windows that um
so getting away from the aluminum
windows going into fiberglass all of
which really reduce the heat con
connectivity through the thermal
envelope which is where we're really
trying to to say reduce our Heating and
ventilation cost um very high efficient
heating ventilation equipment through
heat recovery um
systems um we have uh uh LED lighting
throughout the school um and so from an
Energy Efficiency point of view we're
really pushing kind of the the limits of
uh reductions um without generating new
energy on on the on site which photo
aics or some other um Source would would
provide yeah the other thing is um I
noticed you don't have elevator in the
building we do yes
yeah
um so the elevator is right
there okay in
there are there any other questions for
clarification all right now the next
process that we go through and
we are modifying the process we're also
familiarizing ourselves with this
because the development commission has
not had a lot of meetings lately so
let's be real clear on the process here
uh this for the members of the public
this is called a Green Sheet this
contains uh a number of uh checklist
items to determine whether or not the
application is compliant with the city
codes so the commission needs to go
through this uh uh Green Sheet uh for a
number of different items uh and the
commission can also suggest uh
conditions additional conditions that
are part of our final
vote so with that
said
um we will start going through the three
sheet any Commissioners have any
reservations suggestions on the process
that we use before we start this just
that deviate from the way we did green
sheets
before which is to just now now there
are uh you know there are a number there
are a number of pages here uh each one
of which carries a
significant uh amount of ver verbage in
each category so rather than reading
these uh verbatim each one of them do
you want it would it be acceptable to
the commission to just identify the
category of the vote and then if any
individual commissioner has uh something
that you want to suggest as a condition
relevant to that category you can do it
then and we'll just go through it that
way I don't want to emphasize expedience
at the at the uh at the expense of
accuracy here so and they and as I
understand the so Amy has gone through
staff has gone through and already
provided our answers to all these and
for acceptable with their conclusions
right so I I might just suggest
that if I may um rather than looking at
the empty green sheets you might want to
look at the staff report where Amy has
filled it out because then you can see
where there's been a condition
recommended or a comment inserted and
and then you know know if you have
something to add on top of
that we're talking about page 76 of uh
the green sheet with the recommendations
it's page 76 of 2011
right up
2011 it starts at and Amy was this one
more
condition
was is that a replacement for one of the
conditions or an addition a replacement
okay great
I think she's got an extra excuse me do
you have an extra copy
say sure how much you
go it for
you that's fre this
all
right okay
um so the first subject is building
location building locations and there
I'll read the the primary one the
building locations and their orientation
to one another provide for pedestrian SL
people areas such as Courtyards plazas
pocket Parks
Etc and Mr Trad say I'm I'm fine if you
just read the headings for these as we
go through because they do tend to get
longer yeah that's all I'm going to do
I'm not no not even the teex but just
the just the site layout and overall
Design Concepts all right yeah that's
right conditions of
approval I'm fine
with building location I'm fine
acceptable acceptable acceptable
acceptable all right energy efficient
design
acceptable
acceptable uh functional site
designable all right uh
lighting well since think it says the
update lighting plan's not been amended
yet
so under a condition
AC acceptable with the conditions
right uh five natural setting
views acceptable
y
uh six existing vegetation tography
features I'm sorry there said be
Hillside design and primary reviews
got natural setting is
five A and B and five and number six is
the different categories 5 a and 5B yeah
all right 5A is Hillside design yeah not
applicable was there a
condition that was a recommendation by
the city as a condition right yes so so
we're accepting that
that
accept the conditions of approval have
been defined by by the city with regard
to that
that's right yes right right that's
correct and there the condition that
you're referring to is coming up um in
another section on ground level blank
walls okay so
5A is acceptable
not applicable not
applicable all right 5B primary views
acceptable
acceptable uh six existing vegetation
topography
features I suggest one change finding
the fact that we change it to
development commission from design
commission I you I think that's what
we're called
got be one or the other as long as you
don't cut our
pay all volunteers for
those right uh all right six existing
vegetation
acceptable
acceptable seven historical cultural
landmarks I believe that's NA not
applicable
uh seven the design uh landscape design
and use of plant
materials got a list of a condition the
number one Design Elements there's
condition acceptable on one with
conditions
acceptable acceptable on
One Design
Unity acceptable on
two that's
um and three is enhanced designable
uh acceptable on that
too okay
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A B is oh that's acceptable all the way
through right yeah yeah right so we'll
go to four usable open space
designable uh
yep five is plant
materials acceptable the information
that we have which isn't a
lot uh appearance and
maintenance
acceptable noxious or destructive is
accept acceptable
and safety is I believe they've also
addressed that acceptable acceptable
right uh C is design Harmony and
compatibility can can I um excuse me in
back up
um there was there were comments uh made
on on dealing with noxious and
destructive planning materials yep uh
earlier and about kind of the selection
of materials that are used used ground
cover Etc that minimize the possibility
of
um noxious invasive plant species taking
hold I I think that's a good point and
part of that's maintenance but part of
that's design and installation so I
think that uh when they're doesn't
specifically say that it says don't use
those materials the other thing you want
to do is prevent them from taking hold
so I think we should be a little
stronger in our statement on this
particular um section and maybe just add
a condition or statement okay
um and I'll how about uh uh we G to make
add the condition additional conditions
with motions later we're going to just
put them in now and then vote on them
later how we gonna uh I I just for the
sake of clarity I I think it might be
easier for for us
to have the conditions in later and read
read through them but I don't have a
problem with doing them now and and
voting on them uh later on in Mass we
finish with the or would you like staff
to be drafting something while you're
going through the rest of this and then
you can come back and look at it at the
end certainly that would be helpful and
so I roughly wanted to say something to
the fact of provide ground cover and
Landscaping landscape plantings of
adequate depth and density minimize the
growth of noxious or invasive
species for all for all ground
disturbing for all ground yes for all
Disturbed
areas so that we're coming in
and ensuring that we don't don't leave
bear ground Expose and walk away
right uh Lucy did you get enough want to
do that again um uh if you could go to
the if you remember what you said it
would be great if you repeated it
provide ground cover and Landscape
plantings of adequate depth and
density minimize growth of noxious or
invasive
species okay thank
you don't think we can eliminate it but
we can
try oh
my okay um say the next category is
design Harmony and compatibility
uh number category number one is
accessory
structures
acceptable so all right so that is an
acceptable uh category two is building
materials and
components
acceptable durability and
maintenance acceptable
compatibility acceptable acceptable
believe
so
acceptable it's
acceptable I'm looking now at uh under
compatibility I'm looking at uh noise uh
and there's a flat statement there that
noise impacts from school buses using EV
Street in the morning and afternoon
should be
negligible single family residen has
turn their backs on Evan Street one of
the main vehicular routes to access the
Middle
School
um and then there's another section uh
the of the same uh topic the isqua
Sportsman's Club gunfire noise can often
be heard during school hours however the
classroom Wing is buffered so I'm
personally I hope that's right but I
think the the wording of it if if in
fact the wording is carried through if
it is negligible it's acceptable but
it's you
know I don't know of any
documented evidence of decibel rates or
anything like that that would give us
factual basis for for determining
whether it's acceptable or not so my
recommendation is we go with it
but sure hope that there
is accuracy in that yeah I get your
point there I mean they tried to design
building in a way to Min mitigate the
impact on quiet areas in it like the
classrooms but uh unless
the the frequency of the shots going off
at the Sportsman's Club is in tune with
the B the band I don't know
that well I will I will point out one
other thing too there was there was some
discussion on the part of the uh
Sportsman's Club representative and also
in the documentation that staff provided
that the uh Sportsman's Club which I use
by the way uh is is uh is in the process
a continuing process of doing noise
mitigation efforts there I would point
out that there are some pretty
significant studies that I'm aware of
just from Reading uh popular media that
uh noise walls particularly when they're
they've been constructed along side in
interstates usually as a result of
litigation to mitigate the noise impact
on properties next to uh interstates and
high high traffic lives uh actually have
the effect of uh mitigating the impact
of the noise in the immediate areas but
if the source of the noise is below any
other uh occupied areas the walls in
question actually just deflect the noise
upward so uh people who live on tiger
and and squawk Mountain if there are
noise walls built there will hear more
of the gun range which I do all day long
and it's fine with me but but we
shouldn't be under any Illusions about
where the noise goes when it's
redirected by a a noise
wall um uh
lighting
acceptable okay uh design category four
design components
colors fact
okay uh see color uh C is facade
finding effect modulation
modulation oh I did I'm sorry modulation
that's
acceptable with the it'll come up again
I guess in blank walls
so um C is
facade St findings a factor
included same is we're going to get to
the facade or the wall facade condition
here so it's acceptable based on based
on getting to it moving
on all right d uh ground
level staff findings a
fact I'm going to propose that we add
some language
there the on the condition C5
right May it's as simple as
saying building design shall incorporate
architectural
treatments
acceptable or approved by the city
council to mitigate the blank walls and
all
facades they don't think we're can come
up
with dur in our hearing I don't think
we're going to come up with something
that we think is the right thing to do
do I know they it's something they're
working on I'd rather that when city
council approves this that it's they're
also approving the changes to those
walls and not just leaving that open
does that make sense yes so I'm sorry
were you suggesting added language in
the italicized part of
C5 yes and I missed where where that was
was the let's see if it works this way
the building design shall incorporate
architectural treatments approve
by city
council mitigate the blank walls on all
facades yeah
okay y good good thank
you okay
uh going through lots of finan fact here
well can I just uh comment on on that
we're gonna talk about I'm just it's
it's
um interesting to call out a single
element of a building to have a city
council approve the design of an element
of a building fize some on staff I think
we need to get some direction on that um
I just going to put the council in a
little bit of an awkward spot
possibly that condition is something
they'll deal with we want to punt it if
we want to punt it to the council and
they're going to be the final decision
maker on an architectural element of a
building then that's what we're asking
them to do well I guess my feeling is if
we had time to have them come up with a
different design and come back to us and
we said yes we think that's fine we'll
recommend
approval in the interest of
time how about the as recommended by the
staff and approved by the
council I'm assuming it'll be
recommended by staff shall
incorporate the the bind we find oursel
in I believe is that we have a a major
issue that comes up with everything that
the development commission almost every
every uh application that the
development Commission which is plank
walls and how how to address them and
yet we don't uh we have findings of fact
that make a couple of
recommendations but we're not in a
position to say well yes or no partly
it's the kind of the change in process
we typically had an opportunity in the
early design development to weigh in and
then they came back after they had done
more detailed design work architectural
work and then we would you know say
where they hit the or not and now this
is pretty much one shot and pass it on
to the council so they're final they're
the decision maker so
I ask them to well would Mel
commissioner would you see this as a
again in the recognition of what
commissioner Brennan just mentioned
which is we're we're morphing into a new
process would you see this as a
precedent uh setting uh thing that we do
with this and then we have the option of
doing it
uh
subsequent commission meetings when we
have to come to a final decision on
recommending or uh recommending with
conditions or not recommending but if
there's an area that the commission
doesn't feel we have sufficient uh
information make a decision at that
point we
say this is up ultimately up to the city
council but we weren't able to address
this aspect of it yeah U because I think
when we've done when we've done a level
I guess it would be say a level three
review where we're the decision maker
sometimes in the past we've said we'll
do it um we'll leave it to a decision of
the chair that's acceptable to the chair
at a later time or acceptable to
staff but in this case I feel like not
that I don't trust staff but I think
it's a big enough issue that when the
city council actually votes on this it
should be pointed out they should have
this information in front of them not
just not just a condition that says you
should do something which really leaves
it up to staff a condition they should
have it ready to go for the council to
approve so could I just point out though
that that this isn't the final plan for
the building so I my my one concern is
that we're
putting um the applicant has presented
elevations which both staff and and the
commission have identified concerns with
there is um specific solutions that are
you know uh Authority that were granted
by the code in dealing with blank walls
we've identified that they have to do
that and and
so my two concerns one is that I don't
know whether we'll have final final
elevations by the time we go to council
which is what I'm hearing you're
suggesting we may we may be able
to revise them I just don't know that
you would have a final one that would
not you know it's not going to be at the
point where you used to see it where it
was ready to be the building permit was
basically ready for structural review so
I'm just concerned that that they the um
this isn't the final evolution of the
design development we don't have
construction drawings for instance but
Lucy are you saying that the city
council might not have it either by the
time they have to vote on this right
think think about seventh and Gilman I
mean you saw a um final concept for that
where you had concerns and we had
Authority we wrote um conditions that
identified what kinds of additional
treatments and actions were required but
you weren't seeing the final final
elevations we weren't right but but the
city council what what I think you the
decision maker on that one for instance
but in in this level of hearing I think
what what well I don't want to speak for
you Mr but it seems to I I'm again I'm
concerned about uh transparency of
process here uh and I really am
concerned about that and what I'm what I
don't what I want to avoid
is uh a misunderstanding about how
something as critical as as a a blank
wall that is cited specifically in our
responsibilities and your
responsibilities uh can get that far
down the process without a definition
that that the public can say well the
development commission at this level of
review somebody that follows it said
okay that's it and that's what ended up
or the city count the development
commission couldn't do that because they
didn't have you know the the information
they needed at that time under the new
process so therefore something that
important has to be or should be
approved if it's going to the city
council the city council should know
that the development commission couldn't
make a recommend basically couldn't make
a recommendation on that so you want I'm
just saying the press it might be
precedent
setting commissioner Brennan's concern
is about about a start to cherry pick
things out that we say no this is we're
going to leave this up to the city
council and I I agree with that I mean I
I don't think we should do that but I
also am kind
of struggling around here about how we
go from the old process where we did see
things twice to this process and the
things that we didn't don't have
information on now that we used to have
before we Hil the final vote I just it
it frankly I'm a little a little little
uncomfortable well I I think part of it
would be since we're just making a
recommendation to them
anyway they don't have to follow they
could just say I guess they could just
change it to say hey we're fine with
staff we certainly have preceden well
and and and that's a good that's a good
point Mel because potentially we could
have concept sketches that incorporate
these things and they may say we still
want you to keep working on this but
this is closer or these are perfectly
fine yeah and we're happy with it or
okay I I think Laro I just wanted to to
be to be more called
out that they took a good look at this
and well and if possible to have revised
elevations that they're actually yeah
seeing yeah okay that'd be great okay so
the wording I'm sorry commissioner B so
just just another comment this is a good
discussion and we're going to be here
forever tonight um the point here is is
what level of detail are is being
approved and how um specific is that in
the way of the future construction
meaning if we're saying well it's a
concept and all the colors the
elevations everything's going to change
maybe so what's the point so at some
point you have to say the elevation it
needs to be this exactly or close to it
or it's typical to what will end up
being constructed otherwise either at
our level or at the council whoever the
decision maker it's got to be you got to
be clear about what is the direction
that's being provided in the approval
and what you know what are the
parameters that they need to operate
within you don't do that it's you
know where's the value so well and and I
think you're bringing up a really
important point which is there is
definitely a line between
refining uh what has been before the
commission and in this case the council
and um what is such a significant change
that it needs to come back to the
commission and there is absolutely a
line between those two and I think this
is a case where if we were the decision
maker I think I would have voted no you
have to come back with an actual plan
showing us what it's going to look like
and that's I think that's what I point
out if I were the council I'd want to
say I feel good enough have enough
information to approve it or not okay
yeah agree so
give a do you want to do you want to
reread uh your wording of C5
C5 Lucy do you want to read what she had
there so can I can I make a friendly
Amendment sure uh how about if it said
the building design shall incorporate
architectural treatments revised and
presented to the council to mitigate the
uh blank walls on the facade so instead
of approved by the council the
applicants revising them and presenting
them to the council
and if they're approving it then it's
fine and if it's not
approved then we're going back to the
drawing
boards how about if we say acceptable to
the city
council yes that work absolutely so I'll
I'll keep drafting R revised and
acceptable is that okay yeah all
right category
six wait we've got we've gone through uh
five oh six yeah we're on six now
transition we skip over
signage I don't
well you haven't covered
signage and I'm looking at yeah where do
we have to sign
if five is acceptable with
conditions I agree yeah acceptable I
agree had to figure out where it
was it's it's
5964 okay um
go all the way down through so now we're
on transition
okay acceptable y acceptable with the
conditions
uh seven projects with multiple
structures I would I would say
acceptable not just not
applicable I think yeah because there
are mult there are yeah all right so
acceptable uh D is non-motorized and
vehicular
areas barrier acceptable acceptable yep
acceptable two circulation Trail access
acceptable parking
areas spend a lot of time talking about
this
yeah and I do appreciate that they
probably spent way more time than we did
talking about it too so I'm sure they
did yeah I think it's acceptable with
their with the conditions they've got
down there it's acceptable all right
acceptable Public Access adjacent to
site challenge with this was the level
of detail provided for the trail and MH
the configuration the grade changes that
are occurring as it
moves adjacent to the prop to the site
and then by the Sportsman's Club was
hard to get from the
plans
um Ian some of this were just going to
have to rely on the staff's work as they
continue to find the design with the
architect I I there's there's so many
questions and concerns about this that I
I just um
I don't know that it's acceptable or not
and this is where we this is where we
are in this as this new process that
this is a
continuing U challenge for staff and for
commission I've got one suggestion here
for condition
D9 what I would suggest is that uh on
the second line where it says the trail
connecting the Eastern leg of the Rainer
Trail shall be reviewed red I would say
reviewed and approved by the city of
isal Parks and Rec
Department I feel comfortable let the
experts do it let them agree then the
next sentence was the final approval of
this design should required prior to
posting who's doing the final approval
the city council or the Parks and
Recreation
Department would be the parks recreation
par yeah yeah based on the amendment
commissioner Morgan just
made reviewed and approved by the city
of isaquel parks and restoration
Department final approval of trail
design shall be required then I would i'
get rid of the final approval and just
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say the
approval the trails that required prior
to posting landscape performance bond
for the project well then we're talking
about two different finals maybe Le
maybe I'm getting into the weeds uh yeah
I think I think what we're talking
talking about here is uh making this
gel uh and the city city parks and
recreation department would have
approval as part of the process that
goes up to the city council the way
commissioner Morgan has so so ultimately
it's it's the city council that's going
to be approving but this the the for
when it comes to the trail the final
location of paving material it would be
subject to the Parks and Recreation
Department to say okay or not
yet and and I guess um that final that
last sentence on D9 it says final
approval of this Trail designed shall be
required prior to posting the bond so I
mean you've got to get the parks
approval before you go get the bond and
sometimes it's kind of Catch 22 there
because they want the bond before they
approve it but so we'll see shall be
reviewed and approved by yeah yeah so
excuse me um I hate to do this but um
just for clarification actually that
particular condition is the one that
we're replacing with um a more this yes
oh okay um but this new condition
doesn't mention anything about this uh
the parks department reviewing and
approving so if you you feel more
comfortable doing that we can again
revise the proposal to um include that
wait you're saying you're saying D9 yeah
D9 right this is this is what you just
brought in all right and it says shall
be reviewed and
approved by the city just added that
yeah so we changed it instead of the
parks that's
theed and so I think you're is want toal
approval
yep
okay the trail
perfect great all right okay
yes thank you Lucy it doesn't talk about
bonds
now okay performance
bonds a minute oh no no no no no I'm now
went back Public
Access it to site
we
just're on we're on should be on uh on
number five Public Access with Insight
with Insight okay
I'm heck that no conditions on that not
not really applicable not
applicable okay six is Trail and
non-motorized facil
design
acceptable with that acceptable okay
seven transition of design element and
amenities
acceptable e uh service and storage
areas one screening service yards and
Outdoor Storage
acceptable um screening mechanical
equipment screening display
areas no that's
NA
okay I'm assuming and this is uh out of
order but I'm ass and I believe it's is
it is addressed but I just want to make
sure that I know that the fire
department has already looked at all
these access plans and determined that
their largest Vehicles can get in there
at Peak travel times when it's full of
buses and private
Vehicles so we never have a problem with
that
so you know I'm sorry this is way out of
line but if we're gonna have somebody
addressing an issue like that could you
come up and to the mic and just identify
yourself or
okay and I would like to add that um
this project is very complicated because
of the phasing so we have included a
condition that says that um fire access
will be provided at all times during
construction and after
okay
right all right um Mr chair this isn't a
condition but just a recommendation to
staff I guess is I think it would be
very helpful in the presentation the
city council to provide uh before and
after views from Street levels and
within the project itself to show like
from Evans here's a street scen now
here's what the street scene scene would
look like I know you Architects are
really good at providing those things so
I think that'd be very helpful of the
councils especially those things like
the paining walls
and keep that in mind um list you me do
you know about when this is going to
come to council I mean just on the on as
complicated as this is how long it will
be before Council gets to see
this March 18 or 1th whatever that
Monday is so it's um
Monday ofch then two days later Days
Later
land I it March 12 they moved the
land all right
care for a motion yes sir does anybody
care make the motion Mr chair I move
that the development commission
recommend the approval of the master
site plan and the site development
permit to the city council isad middle
school project file numbers msp1 14-00
z002 and sdp1 14-
000000001 as described and EV valued in
the staff report dated February 18th
2015 and project drawn revised on
February 4th 2015 received on February
11
2015 and subject to the conditions
therein and as amended
tonight second second uh we have a
motion and a second is there any further
discussion so we're so we realized and I
had written it in but I didn't get it
typed in we didn't list um we need to
just add number of conditions or
exhibits exhibits 1 through
13
oops okay we got right uh right on this
one so they that doesn't change the
nature of the of the the motion at all
so is there any further
discussion if not all those in favor of
approving the motion as presented say
signify by saying I I I opposed motion
carries Mr chair I move that the
development commission direct the
development services department to
prepare findings a fact and conclusions
for review and approval by the
development commission chairman
affirming the development commission's
decision to recommend approval of the
isquad middle school project file numers
msp1 14-00
z002 and sdp1 14-
000000001 subject to the 13 conditions
listed
no sorry subject to the conditions
listed in the staff report dated
February 18th 2015 and project drawings
received February 11
2015 and subject to the conditions
therein and is amended
tonight and if we need to add the
language about exhibits we can too
second we have a motion and a second is
there any further discussion I would
simply say uh my role to sign this uh I
will be out of state uh close to this
date so uh are you around
tomorrow we we we are prepared to have
this for you tomorrow okay yes all right
yeah I will be here tomorrow they name
after midnight they're coming to your
house the overtime CL is rning all right
so we have a motion in a second no
further discussion uh all those in favor
signify by saying I I
opposed motion carries
unanimously and I would like very much
to thank the members of the public
specifically uh members of the public
who came uh we're always we I speak for
the entire commission we're always
encouraged by members of the public that
show up that make presentations that
stay through that ask questions uh
because as I say every meeting you're
what it's all about we really need the
public to participate and understand
what's going on at things this big so
thank you very much Mr chair I'd like to
specifically thank Amy for all her hard
work um on this project Amy you did a
wonderful job on this and a great
presentation and to the the school
district and the architect and all
everybody else that worked on this but
especially Amy for first project a big
one thank you very much yeah look
forward to working with you thank
you therefore the meeting is adjourned
thank I just wanted to mention we will
have a meeting on
March
will for