Development Commission · Wednesday, May 6, 2015 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Meeting Minutes from March 4, 2015

packet pp.3–7

Previously discussed: Development Commission · Feb 18, 2015

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES

3. AGENDA ITEMS

PUBLIC HEARING: Issaquah Middle School Master Site Plan and Site Development Permit

Amy Tarce, Senior Engineer · packet pp.9–84

Topics: Land Use

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Staff report:

WASHVNGTON Development Services th 1775 – 12 Ave. NW | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 425-837-3100 issaquahwa.gov

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0:18 ↗ I didn't mark down when I read it

0:21 ↗ okay good evening I will call to order

0:25 ↗ the May 6th meeting of the isqua

0:27 ↗ development commission uh tonight we

0:29 ↗ will be uh considering the application

0:34 ↗ excuse me the application from the isqua

0:36 ↗ school board and the agenda for the

0:38 ↗ evening will be that we'll have uh an

0:40 ↗ approval of minutes from uh our

0:43 ↗ preceding meeting on March 4th and then

0:46 ↗ the agenda items will be addressed uh

0:48 ↗ there are four separate items that will

0:50 ↗ be addressed tonight uh in this meeting

0:53 ↗ all of which have to do with the isqua

0:55 ↗ Middle School Master site plan and uh

0:58 ↗ the site development permit uh this

1:01 ↗ meeting will take the uh process of a

1:03 ↗ presentation by staff uh follow up by uh

1:07 ↗ appli the applicant and then uh public

1:10 ↗ comment and any members of the the

1:12 ↗ public that want to uhu uh make a public

1:15 ↗ comment we ask you to sign in please and

1:17 ↗ then when you go to the uh microphone to

1:20 ↗ identify yourself and give an address

1:23 ↗ and it can be a business address or a

1:25 ↗ home address whatever you whatever you

1:26 ↗ choose after that uh the commission will

1:31 ↗ uh make its decision regarding the final

1:34 ↗ final status of the uh items that we're

1:37 ↗ addressing so with that said uh we will

1:41 ↗ turn it over to Amy in the

1:44 ↗ city thank

1:50 ↗ you good evening the purpose of our

1:53 ↗ meeting tonight is for the development

1:55 ↗ commission to review four items that

1:59 ↗ were REM ended by the city council land

2:02 ↗ and chore committee um regarding the

2:05 ↗ isqua Middle School Master site plan and

2:08 ↗ sight development

2:10 ↗ permit so a little background uh to how

2:14 ↗ we got to hear um back in February 18

2:17 ↗ 2015 the development commission um

2:20 ↗ reviewed side improvements building

2:22 ↗ design and construction phasing for the

2:25 ↗ U Middle School at the time um we

2:30 ↗ submitted a draft sea

2:32 ↗ determination and um this was what was

2:35 ↗ considered by the develop by the

2:37 ↗ development commission and at that

2:39 ↗ meeting there were three outstanding

2:42 ↗ items that the development commission

2:44 ↗ referred to the city council be and

2:47 ↗ these were the blank walls the traffic

2:50 ↗ study and mitigation and the final sea

2:55 ↗ determination so on March 12 2015 the

2:58 ↗ land and Shore commiss committee um

3:01 ↗ considered those three items and um in

3:04 ↗ addition to that staff brought to them a

3:07 ↗ new information on the parking on

3:09 ↗ Southeast Evans Street in addition to

3:12 ↗ those four items we also clarified the

3:15 ↗ information regarding the Wetland buffer

3:17 ↗ impacts of the expanded bus yard if you

3:21 ↗ recall there was a uh public comment

3:23 ↗ about the uh wetlands and um at that

3:27 ↗ time um I've I've clar I've actually

3:31 ↗ responded to the comment uh however the

3:33 ↗ information we were basing our staff

3:36 ↗ evaluation was not the um the most

3:39 ↗ updated

3:41 ↗ information so a little background for

3:44 ↗ uh for the sake of the audience um

3:46 ↗ especially those who uh did not see the

3:49 ↗ first

3:50 ↗ presentation um the the um site for this

3:54 ↗ middle new middle school is going in

3:56 ↗ basically in what is currently the isqua

3:59 ↗ high school and the Clark Middle School

4:02 ↗ campus and um The Proposal uh basically

4:06 ↗ includes uh

4:08 ↗ 131,000 or almost

4:11 ↗ 132,000 square feet of uh classrooms and

4:15 ↗ other additional um CL um spaces and um

4:21 ↗ the uh in addition to that there's um

4:23 ↗ going to be a new softball field and a

4:26 ↗ new track and field SL football field

4:30 ↗ field oh I'm sorry I'm just going to go

4:33 ↗ and and move this forward um so the

4:36 ↗ first item that was uh discussed at the

4:40 ↗ uh I'm sorry um I forgot to mention that

4:45 ↗ uh during the um during the uh land Ure

4:48 ↗ committee meeting basically the

4:51 ↗ committee remanded those items back to

4:54 ↗ the development commission and so the

4:56 ↗ first item was the sea review and as I'm

4:59 ↗ I mentioned earlier the the version of

5:02 ↗ the mitigated determination of not

5:04 ↗ non-significance that was presented to

5:07 ↗ the development commission was a draft

5:08 ↗ version and uh based on the uh comments

5:12 ↗ that were received by the applicant

5:15 ↗ during that particular meeting they

5:17 ↗ actually updated and revised their mdns

5:21 ↗ and this is what was then considered by

5:24 ↗ the land Ure committee and fi and what

5:27 ↗ was used for the actual publish

5:30 ↗ version um the bullet points here

5:32 ↗ basically takes you through the schedule

5:35 ↗ and uh the sequence of uh the milestones

5:39 ↗ for the sepa review and the termination

5:43 ↗ so um I'm just going to jump um uh to

5:46 ↗ the second bullet point where it talks

5:48 ↗ about how the the draft mdns was revised

5:53 ↗ which is I mentioned earlier and there

5:55 ↗ were two items that was reflected in

5:57 ↗ that draft and that includes the busard

6:00 ↗ improvements and the Wetland buffer

6:02 ↗ impacts and mitigation your staff packet

6:07 ↗ the I'm sorry the staff memo packet

6:09 ↗ includes basically a comparison of both

6:11 ↗ the draft mdns that uh you receed during

6:15 ↗ the first meeting and the new version

6:18 ↗ with the new text

6:20 ↗ highlighted and then after that uh the

6:24 ↗ applicant which is a school district

6:27 ↗ also um basically uh who serve the who

6:30 ↗ served as the lead Agency for the sea

6:32 ↗ review um went ahead and published the

6:36 ↗ um the final mdns for sea comment and

6:41 ↗ and um the appeal period ended on March

6:44 ↗ 25th 2015 so we are here today um

6:49 ↗ basically knowing that basically the sea

6:52 ↗ review is completed and um during that

6:56 ↗ time of the comment and appeal period we

6:59 ↗ um the um is a called School District

7:01 ↗ received one comment and that comment

7:04 ↗ and the response from the school

7:05 ↗ district is also included in your packet

7:08 ↗ as exhibit 17 um just very quickly that

7:13 ↗ um the comment was O

7:16 ↗ sorry

7:18 ↗ oops the comment um basically uh focused

7:22 ↗ on uh the need for additional safe

7:25 ↗ pedestrian access or connections for the

7:30 ↗ school from Fourth Place Southeast this

7:33 ↗ is one of the residential streets just

7:35 ↗ north of Southeast Evans so the school

7:38 ↗ district responded to that and uh after

7:41 ↗ working with City staff uh we have

7:45 ↗ arrived to a reasonable uh solution with

7:49 ↗ by providing an additional um uh walkway

7:54 ↗ on the um east side of Fourth Place

7:57 ↗ Southeast currently there's already

8:00 ↗ a sidewalk on the west side of Fourth

8:03 ↗ Place Southeast which is primarily what

8:06 ↗ is used for accessing the school from

8:09 ↗ this neighborhood so having considered

8:14 ↗ all the uh the comments and uh uh uh

8:19 ↗ completing the um the uh comment and

8:22 ↗ appeal period for the sea staff

8:24 ↗ recommends that um the sea review and

8:28 ↗ mdns be sent forward as part of this

8:33 ↗ permit the next item is the

8:35 ↗ transportation impacts and mitigation so

8:39 ↗ this is just a review of what condition

8:42 ↗ we included in our staff report and

8:46 ↗ which was accepted by the development

8:48 ↗ commission at our last meeting um I'm

8:51 ↗ not going to read through everything I'm

8:53 ↗ just going to emphasize that this

8:55 ↗ acknowledges that we required the

8:58 ↗ applicant to provide an updated traffic

9:00 ↗ study and um that um we will identify

9:05 ↗ the appropriate and proportionate

9:07 ↗ traffic improvements to mitigate for any

9:11 ↗ impacts that are determined through that

9:13 ↗ traffic study so um Sheldon Lynn is here

9:18 ↗ to talk more about that updated traffic

9:20 ↗ study and where we're at with um the

9:24 ↗ analysis and the assessment of the

9:28 ↗ mitigation

9:33 ↗ thank you Amy my name is Sheldon Lynn

9:35 ↗ I'm the director of Public Works

9:37 ↗ engineering for the city of

9:39 ↗ isqua and as Amy mentioned uh the school

9:43 ↗ district was in the process of updating

9:46 ↗ a traffic impact analysis report at the

9:49 ↗ time in which the council landed Shore

9:51 ↗ met and so the issues of Transportation

9:54 ↗ were referred back to this commission

9:57 ↗ for its review and and the report

10:01 ↗ analysis has been complete and 10w uh

10:05 ↗ consulting firm is the one that did it

10:07 ↗ on behalf of the school

10:10 ↗ district and the city had requested that

10:14 ↗ two phases be analyzed uh for its

10:18 ↗ impacts one was the full buildout which

10:22 ↗ includes the site plan that Amy was

10:26 ↗ talking about which is over here on the

10:29 ↗ site where the middle school and the

10:31 ↗ high school are going to coexist uh when

10:35 ↗ the project and the MSP is fully

10:37 ↗ implemented uh the full buildout

10:40 ↗ includes taking the Tiger Mountain

10:42 ↗ Academy and the Clark Elementary and

10:44 ↗ moving it over here to where the current

10:47 ↗ Middle School is and so we felt that it

10:50 ↗ was important to evaluate the full

10:52 ↗ buildout conditions because bell times

10:55 ↗ may change traffic patterns change

10:57 ↗ things of that sort the other uh phase

11:00 ↗ we requested that they evaluate was the

11:03 ↗ interim phase and the interim phase is

11:05 ↗ when all four schools are operating here

11:09 ↗ along Second Avenue and no schools are

11:12 ↗ operating over here where the middle

11:13 ↗ school is while they're doing the

11:15 ↗ remodel and preparation for moving Tiger

11:17 ↗ Mountain Academy and the Clark

11:20 ↗ Elementary over

11:24 ↗ there out of that analysis came a series

11:27 ↗ of impacts which were identified in the

11:32 ↗ transportation

11:34 ↗ report one of the first impacts that

11:37 ↗ came to light was the impact at the

11:39 ↗ intersection of Sunset and Second

11:42 ↗ Avenue at this intersection it was

11:44 ↗ identified that there would be a need

11:45 ↗ for a traffic

11:50 ↗ signal the next intersection was

11:53 ↗ intersection of front and

11:54 ↗ sunset uh that intersection had an

11:57 ↗ increased delay associated with it

12:00 ↗ associated with the reconfiguration and

12:02 ↗ shifting traffic patterns from the

12:04 ↗ school district uh in the full buildout

12:08 ↗ condition uh so the city has

12:12 ↗ a capital project listed for that

12:16 ↗ intersection uh the school district

12:18 ↗ wasn't uh driving 100% of that impact

12:21 ↗ and need for improvements there and so

12:23 ↗ the city is working to uh with the

12:26 ↗ school district on its proportionate

12:28 ↗ share of those

12:32 ↗ improvements next on the full build out

12:34 ↗ condition is at the intersection of

12:36 ↗ front Clark Newport Way uh due to some

12:40 ↗ changing conditions with bell times

12:43 ↗ traffic patterns associated with middle

12:45 ↗ school and Elementary School uh there

12:47 ↗ was a substantial delay uh at that

12:50 ↗ intersection associated with the new

12:53 ↗ school

12:54 ↗ activities and part of the the

12:57 ↗ mitigation for that is is is they have

12:59 ↗ to do some improvements alarm

13:03 ↗ clark on the East leg of the

13:06 ↗ intersection uh to accommodate the

13:09 ↗ traffic coming out onto Front Street so

13:11 ↗ that it doesn't impact the operations of

13:14 ↗ that intersection during peak

13:17 ↗ hours so mitigations were identified for

13:20 ↗ the school district to do improvements

13:22 ↗ uh to address the delays coming out on

13:26 ↗ Clark Street which would impact the

13:27 ↗ operations of that

13:30 ↗ intersection lastly at full

13:33 ↗ buildout staff identified and the report

13:36 ↗ identified a potential

13:38 ↗ for the driveway entrance on Southeast

13:42 ↗ Evans due to some

13:45 ↗ circulation uh potential issues with

13:48 ↗ parents maybe not dropping off at the

13:50 ↗ right place or entering at the right

13:52 ↗ place there was a potential that some

13:55 ↗ traffic impacts could occur on Evans

13:57 ↗ Street as associated with the use of

13:58 ↗ that driveway and so the district and

14:00 ↗ the city are working on operational

14:02 ↗ changes for the school district uh so

14:05 ↗ that they can minimize the potential for

14:07 ↗ that to happen uh on Southeast Evans and

14:10 ↗ so it should uh function

14:14 ↗ well those were the impact areas that

14:17 ↗ were associated with the full buildout

14:20 ↗ analysis as well as the identified

14:26 ↗ mitigations on the interim

14:30 ↗ phase where everything is operating over

14:32 ↗ here all four schools on this one

14:37 ↗ site the analysis identified substantial

14:40 ↗ delays coming out on Southeast Evans

14:43 ↗ wanting to turn left or right onto

14:45 ↗ Second

14:46 ↗ Avenue uh and so with that uh the

14:51 ↗ potential is there is to develop a right

14:55 ↗ turn dedicated Lane and a left turn

14:57 ↗ dedicated Lane coming out on Evans so

15:00 ↗ that the que doesn't back up on Evans

15:02 ↗ Street uh and it'll operate much better

15:05 ↗ that way uh there's not a lot of

15:07 ↗ pavement to be built or anything like

15:10 ↗ that and the school district is looking

15:11 ↗ at doing some striping improvements to

15:13 ↗ create two lanes coming out as well as

15:16 ↗ continuing the one lane coming in

15:22 ↗ uh the other interim impact was the

15:27 ↗ double left turns

15:29 ↗ coming in at the signal at the high

15:32 ↗ school that's currently there the

15:34 ↗ queuing analysis showed that it could

15:37 ↗ possibly pass and exceed the length of

15:40 ↗ the turn Pockets that are being

15:43 ↗ constructed uh the amount of mitigation

15:46 ↗ that would be required

15:48 ↗ to rectify that is probably not

15:51 ↗ warranted for an interim period so the

15:54 ↗ school district and the city is working

15:57 ↗ together are working together to develop

15:59 ↗ an operational and transportation demand

16:01 ↗ management plan to ensure that the the

16:04 ↗ backup doesn't exceed the CU lengths

16:06 ↗ that are constructed as part of this

16:07 ↗ project because the project is planning

16:09 ↗ on extending the existing double Q for

16:12 ↗ the left turn in any

16:15 ↗ case these were the impacts at full

16:18 ↗ buildout and inum that the

16:21 ↗ analysis uh showed and the arrangements

16:26 ↗ and how we're working with the district

16:28 ↗ to resolve the impacts and mitigate

16:31 ↗ them with that I will give it back to am

16:34 ↗ you want to go to the next slide

16:38 ↗ okay Amy if I can just uh make a note we

16:43 ↗ did not I missed the uh approval of the

16:46 ↗ minutes so when the staff presentation

16:48 ↗ is over we'll just go back and do it

16:50 ↗ then okay okay you want do

16:54 ↗ this

16:56 ↗ you so

16:59 ↗ so um just to wrap up uh this part of

17:03 ↗ the Pres um the presentation regarding

17:06 ↗ the transportation impacts and

17:07 ↗ mitigation um we wanted to you know I'm

17:11 ↗ just bringing back the same condition

17:13 ↗ that I showed earlier and the staff

17:15 ↗ recommendation which is basically to

17:17 ↗ forward the permit is presented and with

17:21 ↗ no change to um condition S

17:27 ↗ one

17:31 ↗ so now um I'm going to talk about the

17:34 ↗ blank walls uh this is the same slide

17:36 ↗ that I presented at our last uh public

17:39 ↗ hearing um it identifies all the uh

17:43 ↗ blank walls for the different um

17:45 ↗ elevations or facades of the uh building

17:48 ↗ and then I'm going to walk you through

17:50 ↗ each of them um this is the main entry

17:53 ↗ to the school and uh the blank walls

17:56 ↗ were primarily at the gym

17:59 ↗ and um um the lower elevation shows you

18:03 ↗ what is the proposed um revision it's

18:06 ↗ showing um that they will be providing

18:09 ↗ basically a seaing with a uh a uh uh

18:15 ↗ change in the uh texture and material

18:18 ↗ for the seating area and this will also

18:21 ↗ have a canopy uh as a weather protection

18:24 ↗ and and this will serve primarily to um

18:28 ↗ Pro provide some place for the children

18:30 ↗ to sit and wait while um their parents

18:33 ↗ uh before their parents pick them up

18:36 ↗ um so the next um elevation is the north

18:40 ↗ elevation in this in this case we have

18:43 ↗ two uh blank wall situations the red one

18:47 ↗ is the primary one that's visible from

18:49 ↗ the street and they are proposing

18:51 ↗ basically um extending the window um

18:55 ↗ elements um further uh and and

18:59 ↗ and as you will notice it is primarily

19:02 ↗ focus on the uh the the uh

19:07 ↗ uh the pattern of ir um uh a symmetry

19:12 ↗ that was uh basically established

19:14 ↗ because of the roof and um unlike all

19:17 ↗ the other um blank wall mitigation you

19:20 ↗ will notice that this this has a very

19:22 ↗ different approach and primarily because

19:25 ↗ we were looking at this as an element

19:27 ↗ that you will perceive and experience

19:30 ↗ from Evans and um normally you wouldn't

19:33 ↗ be standing right next to this wall

19:35 ↗ because this is uh closer to the service

19:37 ↗ area and then for the uh to on the left

19:42 ↗ side is actually the service Dock and uh

19:45 ↗ so part of what they're doing is making

19:47 ↗ the uh you know um as you can see there

19:49 ↗ is a bright yellow sliding metal door

19:53 ↗ there so part of the solution is to make

19:55 ↗ that fade or or blend in better with the

19:59 ↗ masonry material um and later on I'm

20:02 ↗ going to show you another side of the

20:05 ↗ service dock that's um that we

20:08 ↗ identified the other issue or I

20:10 ↗ shouldn't say issue the the other

20:12 ↗ consideration for that section is that

20:14 ↗ it's actually further back from

20:16 ↗ Southeast Evans and there will be um a

20:19 ↗ layer of parking right at the edge of

20:22 ↗ Evans and the property line and also um

20:26 ↗ a um basically a buffer priest so uh

20:30 ↗ that loading dock area will will not be

20:33 ↗ as prominent as even this side of the

20:37 ↗ building so on the west elevation um

20:40 ↗ this is the area where there's currently

20:42 ↗ an

20:44 ↗ open it it has a roof but it's an open

20:47 ↗ uh uh basketball court so originally um

20:51 ↗ this was where um I had um suggested

20:54 ↗ ideas about PE uh um maybe installing

20:57 ↗ some sort of sort of a school mural uh

21:00 ↗ what they're suggesting is actually what

21:02 ↗ I I consider something better which is

21:05 ↗ adding more um basketball baskets and uh

21:09 ↗ providing U opportunities for impromptu

21:13 ↗ play for the

21:14 ↗ kids and then the last elevation this is

21:17 ↗ the East which um uh captures the area

21:22 ↗ uh where the school where where the uh

21:24 ↗ faculty Lounge is and um so for this

21:28 ↗ basically it's showing that big um that

21:32 ↗ big wall over there um being um

21:35 ↗ mitigated by again extending the window

21:38 ↗ what I'm calling the ribbon the ribbon

21:40 ↗ windows and actually adding more windows

21:43 ↗ to um what is uh basically uh the uh the

21:47 ↗ food preparation area inside the

21:49 ↗ building and um the the the blue arrow

21:52 ↗ actually shows one of the blank walls um

21:56 ↗ along this Edge and they are proposed in

21:58 ↗ to provide some climbing vines this area

22:01 ↗ is a little trickier to um mitigate with

22:05 ↗ architectual features because the green

22:08 ↗ grass that you see on the bottom um

22:11 ↗ actually represents an area where most

22:13 ↗ of their mechanical equipment and um

22:16 ↗ other utility boxes will be located so

22:19 ↗ this is primarily a very of uh

22:22 ↗ utilitarian or functional uh area that

22:27 ↗ um um to some extent um will you know we

22:32 ↗ it will be more practical um not to have

22:35 ↗ something that's architectural in this

22:39 ↗ section and um the west elevation oh I'm

22:44 ↗ sorry no wonder sorry um

22:48 ↗ South did I just sorry I am pushing the

22:52 ↗ wrong buttons

22:54 ↗ okay there we go so um in conclusion um

22:59 ↗ we are staff is recommending that the

23:03 ↗ that because the applicant has addressed

23:06 ↗ all the condition this particular

23:08 ↗ condition for blank wall mitigation um

23:11 ↗ that we recommend to that we delete

23:13 ↗ condition C5 and this was basically the

23:16 ↗ same image that's in your staff

23:20 ↗ memo um the third item had to do with

23:23 ↗ the southeast Evans parking and um for

23:26 ↗ for this basically

23:28 ↗ this is again the slide that I showed um

23:31 ↗ at the last meeting and it gives you

23:34 ↗ kind of an idea of what the existing

23:36 ↗ conditions um uh Way Way Back Then and

23:41 ↗ um if you guys remember we had um or the

23:45 ↗ development commission actually had some

23:47 ↗ considerable discussion about the

23:49 ↗ parking in this area and uh the

23:52 ↗ challenges of monitoring and enforcing

23:55 ↗ the no parking um sign here

23:59 ↗ so um in in the in the process of trying

24:03 ↗ to address um if you recall there was um

24:07 ↗ also a proposal for the relocation of

24:10 ↗ the existing reineer Trail along the

24:14 ↗ edge of this property and in their

24:17 ↗ process of trying to um show us how

24:20 ↗ they're going to do that they also

24:23 ↗ address the issue of parking and that's

24:26 ↗ through um reconfig figuring instead of

24:28 ↗ having parallel parking they are

24:30 ↗ proposing to have diagonal parking and

24:33 ↗ what it does is it creates um one SE one

24:36 ↗ side that is clearly marked for parking

24:40 ↗ and because of the width of the roadway

24:43 ↗ uh it is basically um hard or difficult

24:47 ↗ for anyone to park on the other side of

24:49 ↗ the

24:51 ↗ road and um this is again the

24:54 ↗ information that I presented last time

24:56 ↗ um regarding

24:58 ↗ just shows where the uh Trail was going

25:02 ↗ um as an alignment and at that time um

25:05 ↗ and the only reason I'm showing this is

25:07 ↗ because this builds up on the four

25:09 ↗ conditions that I will be uh presenting

25:12 ↗ next um the the combination of the

25:15 ↗ location of this trail with that

25:17 ↗ diagonal parking uh basically um um

25:22 ↗ allowed us to look at this more

25:24 ↗ holistically and um one of the things

25:27 ↗ that um I wanted to remind the

25:30 ↗ development commission is the condition

25:33 ↗ that was crafted during that meeting and

25:36 ↗ um I copied that text here basically um

25:40 ↗ I highlighted the section or this the

25:42 ↗ sentences that calls the city staff to

25:46 ↗ basically work with the applicant on the

25:48 ↗ final alignment of the gravel path and

25:52 ↗ also uh to for the city parks and

25:55 ↗ recreation staff to uh have the ability

26:00 ↗ to review the construction drawings of

26:02 ↗ this Trail during the site work or

26:05 ↗ lscape permit phase of the

26:08 ↗ project so since then we've actually

26:13 ↗ walked the site um we've invited Park

26:16 ↗ staff to go with us and um the

26:18 ↗ applicants consultants and um one of the

26:22 ↗ things that we had questioned at the

26:24 ↗ last meeting is whether or not they were

26:26 ↗ proposing the trail to locate in the to

26:30 ↗ be located in the in the right side of

26:33 ↗ uh you the roadway and uh after walking

26:37 ↗ the site we basically understood why

26:39 ↗ they were proposing um that particular

26:43 ↗ side of the roadway and um our Park

26:46 ↗ staff also concurred that for now that

26:49 ↗ is the best location so we recognize

26:53 ↗ that um in the future when the new

26:57 ↗ parking lot comes in this trail location

27:01 ↗ may not be ideal we don't know the exact

27:04 ↗ impacts until we see a future site plan

27:07 ↗ for that parking lot so for for now we

27:10 ↗ are addressing the current condition

27:12 ↗ assuming that there's no new parking lot

27:14 ↗ there and with that um we are

27:17 ↗ recommending two new conditions one

27:20 ↗ addresses the the requirement for the

27:23 ↗ applicant to provide a 10ft wide Public

27:27 ↗ Access easen for the trail what you see

27:30 ↗ as a graphic shows what's existing there

27:34 ↗ right now there is a 20 foot I'm sorry a

27:37 ↗ 60 foot wide I'm sorry that's a wrong

27:40 ↗ number it's a 60 foot wide Public Access

27:44 ↗ easement and um it's shown as the blue

27:46 ↗ line on the graphic and um that was

27:51 ↗ installed a way you know as part of um

27:55 ↗ to facilitate access for for the uh for

27:59 ↗ the

28:00 ↗ isqua the isqua Sportsman's Club and

28:03 ↗ also for um the

28:05 ↗ trail that the public Trail um that's

28:08 ↗ owned by the city so in the process of

28:12 ↗ um City staff and park staff trying to

28:16 ↗ understand how the future Trail um will

28:19 ↗ be maintained we recognize that it's

28:22 ↗ important to ensure that we do have P

28:24 ↗ public access to that trail and then for

28:28 ↗ for d24 condition d24 was meant to

28:31 ↗ address further work that we need to um

28:36 ↗ that we need to look as as we consider

28:39 ↗ the final design and construction of

28:42 ↗ this Trail right now we can't identify

28:44 ↗ all the responsibilities until we know

28:47 ↗ all the details but this um allows us to

28:50 ↗ continue um working with the school

28:52 ↗ district to identify the the various

28:56 ↗ roles um and again just a little

28:58 ↗ background currently basically the

29:00 ↗ school district and um our parks

29:03 ↗ department staff shares the maintenance

29:06 ↗ responsibility for the existing

29:11 ↗ Trail um two add two more additional

29:14 ↗ conditions um

29:16 ↗ d22 regarding installing barriers or

29:19 ↗ ballards was actually uh something that

29:22 ↗ our parks department staff um requested

29:26 ↗ and d23

29:28 ↗ the highlighted text are basically for

29:30 ↗ the sake of our presentation tonight and

29:34 ↗ it basically addresses that future

29:36 ↗ condition when when um the school

29:39 ↗ district comes back with the uh proposal

29:42 ↗ for a new parking lot we would like to

29:46 ↗ revisit the location the design and uh

29:50 ↗ basically the future um impacts of this

29:54 ↗ parking lot on the the existing Trail

29:59 ↗ so in conclusion the items remanded by

30:03 ↗ the city council to the development

30:05 ↗ commission as presented at this public

30:07 ↗ hearing for this isaam middle school

30:10 ↗ complies with the requirements of the

30:13 ↗ master site plan and site development

30:15 ↗ permit and the community facility

30:17 ↗ standards in IMC

30:20 ↗ 1807.2 ad0 subject to the proposed

30:23 ↗ conditions of approval provided in the

30:25 ↗ staff memo dated April 29 2014

30:31 ↗ 2015

30:34 ↗ and um based on the submitted

30:37 ↗ application and plans the administration

30:39 ↗ recommends that the development

30:41 ↗ commission move to recommend to the city

30:44 ↗ council approval of the master site plan

30:47 ↗ and site development permit for issaqua

30:49 ↗ Middle School file numbers msp1

30:52 ↗ 14-

30:55 ↗ 00002 and sdp 14-

30:59 ↗ 0000001 as described and evaluated in

31:02 ↗ the staff report dated February 18 2015

31:07 ↗ and staff memo dated April 29 2015

31:11 ↗ including exhibits 1 through 24 and

31:15 ↗ subject to the conditions as identified

31:17 ↗ in the staff report revised and added by

31:20 ↗ the development Commission in the

31:22 ↗ February 19 2015 recommendation and as

31:26 ↗ revised added in the staff memo at this

31:29 ↗ public hearing this is a little bit more

31:32 ↗ complicated than the type of

31:34 ↗ recommendation you usually see but this

31:36 ↗ is our way of capturing both what was um

31:40 ↗ discussed and accepted by the

31:42 ↗ development commission at the last

31:44 ↗ meeting and also at this meeting um and

31:48 ↗ secondly direct the development services

31:50 ↗ department to Revis the February 19 2015

31:54 ↗ findings of fact and conclusions which

31:56 ↗ air confirmed the development

31:58 ↗ commission's decision to recommend to

32:00 ↗ the city council approval of the master

32:03 ↗ site plan and the site development

32:04 ↗ permit for isqua Middle School file

32:07 ↗ numbers msp1 14-

32:11 ↗ 00002 and sdp1 14-

32:15 ↗ 0000001 the staff report dated February

32:18 ↗ 18 2015 and this briefing memo dated

32:22 ↗ April 29 2015 will serve as the findings

32:25 ↗ of that that concludes my

32:29 ↗ presentation thank you thank you Amy um

32:32 ↗ as I mentioned earlier before we go to

32:34 ↗ the uh applicant any applicant uh

32:36 ↗ presentations we're going to go back and

32:39 ↗ review excuse me review and approve the

32:42 ↗ minutes uh from the previous meeting

32:44 ↗ that were included in the uh in the

32:46 ↗ packet does anyone have any requested

32:48 ↗ changes in the minutes Corrections

32:51 ↗ additions deletions so is there a motion

32:55 ↗ I move we approve the minutes I stated

32:58 ↗ is there a second a second second any

33:00 ↗ further

33:01 ↗ discussion all those in favor of

33:03 ↗ approving the minutes as presented

33:05 ↗ signify by saying I I opposed that

33:09 ↗ minutes are approved

33:11 ↗ right um at this point if there is uh a

33:17 ↗ member of the applicants party that

33:20 ↗ wishes to make any presentations uh to

33:23 ↗ the commission this is the time to do

33:25 ↗ it

33:30 ↗ uh Steve Crawford director of capital

33:31 ↗ project for this school district I don't

33:33 ↗ think we have anything that we would

33:35 ↗ necessarily want to present at this

33:36 ↗ point in time staff's done a nice job

33:38 ↗ all right thank

33:40 ↗ you are there any members of the public

33:43 ↗ that wish to make a comment or ask

33:55 ↗ questions

33:59 ↗ so this this constitutes this what this

34:01 ↗ means is that the staff and the

34:03 ↗ applicant have finished uh their

34:05 ↗ presentations and we're now opening the

34:07 ↗ public hearing to public comment okay uh

34:10 ↗ thank you David kapler 255 Southeast

34:12 ↗ Andrew Street um regards the sea I think

34:16 ↗ Mr R Mr rios's concerns about fourth

34:20 ↗ whatever place I guess it is um was um

34:24 ↗ legitimate and is being addressed that

34:26 ↗ is good good um the Wetland

34:29 ↗ issue um I think we've now settled down

34:33 ↗ the concerns about that there's still

34:35 ↗ some concerns and I'd like to see that I

34:37 ↗ wish the school district were taking a

34:39 ↗ um doing maybe more than the minimal

34:42 ↗ they have to do in terms of

34:44 ↗ the getting rid of the zinc covered

34:47 ↗ fence and just how it looks in the need

34:50 ↗ for new plantings and mitigation of the

34:54 ↗ actual Wetland that's just across from

34:57 ↗ the fence from their property especially

34:59 ↗ since it apparently were School District

35:01 ↗ people that uh caused the fire in there

35:04 ↗ which did not um cause some do which

35:07 ↗ harmed the vegetation in that area as it

35:09 ↗ was traffic

35:11 ↗ mitigation totally frustrated with the

35:14 ↗ uh the traffic plan here I believe it

35:16 ↗ encourages parents driving to school

35:19 ↗ those kids get the nice benches to sit

35:21 ↗ on but the kids waiting for the buses

35:23 ↗ don't have that at their place um I

35:26 ↗ think we're encouraged in

35:28 ↗ single automobile delivery of students

35:31 ↗ and pickup of students over bus the

35:34 ↗ district should be paying extra for that

35:36 ↗ when we do the mitigation because

35:38 ↗ they're going to be increasing the the

35:39 ↗ traffic at all those four points that

35:41 ↗ were shown earlier and I don't like

35:44 ↗ seeing School District money going to

35:46 ↗ extra

35:48 ↗ traffic um the blank

35:50 ↗ wall it's kind of like the sky Bridges

35:53 ↗ at Costco it took way too much time in

35:55 ↗ my view dealing with it but anyway it's

35:57 ↗ a lot better than the FICA type stuff

36:00 ↗ that's all over the high school so I'm

36:03 ↗ fine um parking and

36:06 ↗ Trail we do need it's nice to

36:10 ↗ have the a trail in front of where the

36:12 ↗ cars are going to be when the kids do

36:14 ↗ this angle

36:15 ↗ parking um they can then get other car

36:18 ↗ and walk on the trail to where they're

36:19 ↗ going to go to the the school that's a

36:22 ↗ safety Improvement but people are not

36:25 ↗ going to use that tra

36:27 ↗ rail they're going to continue cutting

36:30 ↗ in just north of the the those softball

36:34 ↗ fields come in through that gravel

36:37 ↗ parking lot and then connect with the U

36:40 ↗ the trail that on the north side of

36:44 ↗ Evans they're not going to go around

36:47 ↗ that um that area and it's just not

36:50 ↗ going to happen unless unless the

36:51 ↗ district decides to put a a fence in

36:54 ↗ there to block that which would not make

36:56 ↗ sense

36:57 ↗ um so I

36:58 ↗ think we'll just having that there for

37:02 ↗ safety for those kids that are doing

37:04 ↗ this angle

37:05 ↗ parking um which is going to be kind of

37:07 ↗ crazy when all those kids are coming out

37:09 ↗ the same time backing out I don't know

37:12 ↗ where they're going to go there's no

37:14 ↗ they're there's no simple U-turn area

37:16 ↗ back there um I'm not sure how they're

37:19 ↗ supposed to turn around or if they think

37:20 ↗ they're going to back all the way around

37:21 ↗ so they can be then headed uh westbound

37:24 ↗ I perhaps but I I think it's going to be

37:26 ↗ a problem when that high school parking

37:30 ↗ lot is figured out we'll have a lot

37:34 ↗ needs to be a lot done with that and

37:38 ↗ hopefully there's enough requirement in

37:40 ↗ the master site plan uh for thorough

37:44 ↗ evaluation and study of that future

37:46 ↗ parking lot and hopefully retention of

37:49 ↗ some

37:52 ↗ trees the two parking spots is a joke um

37:58 ↗ um and the process has been a real

38:01 ↗ concern here basically the district was

38:03 ↗ issued a clearing and grading permit

38:05 ↗ even though they put a different name on

38:06 ↗ it uh would be prior to uh approval of

38:10 ↗ the the the the school itself and the

38:13 ↗ master site plan um because there a

38:16 ↗ school district nobody's raised that

38:18 ↗ much fuss but um this is a terrible

38:21 ↗ precedent set and we need to to not be

38:25 ↗ doing that in the future in the school

38:27 ↗ district I I don't know why this went

38:29 ↗ from 2014 to 2015 a whole year to get an

38:34 ↗ extra story on the building but um um we

38:39 ↗ we need to have a a process that's

38:41 ↗ working better thank

38:43 ↗ you thank

38:45 ↗ you is there anyone else from the public

38:47 ↗ that uh wishes to

38:55 ↗ speak

39:04 ↗ my name is Connie Marsh and I have a

39:07 ↗ store at 1175 Northwest Gilman Boulevard

39:11 ↗ site

39:12 ↗ B 11 I also live in

39:16 ↗ town so the transportation demand

39:20 ↗ management plan is unclear I don't

39:23 ↗ understand what success would be and

39:26 ↗ when it would be required and what

39:28 ↗ components would be

39:30 ↗ required with that language

39:33 ↗ because it just cites some examples and

39:37 ↗ it says it could be something like this

39:40 ↗ and to me that does not address the

39:42 ↗ significant issue of basically

39:45 ↗ encouraging people to drive to school

39:48 ↗ and for parents to drop off their kids

39:50 ↗ at school rather than taking the bus

39:55 ↗ um it's it's clear that this is going to

39:57 ↗ be a difficult site for walking and

40:00 ↗ riding your bike and the buses sort of

40:04 ↗ seem to be subjugated to the back

40:06 ↗ because the will of the people is to use

40:08 ↗ their cars um if you're going to have a

40:11 ↗ transportation demand management plan it

40:15 ↗ needs to be required

40:18 ↗ when I don't know the answer to that but

40:21 ↗ there needs to be criteria and then what

40:23 ↗ is the what are the problems that it is

40:26 ↗ attend attempting to solve because

40:28 ↗ that's why you have a transportation

40:30 ↗ demand management plan as you are trying

40:32 ↗ to solve a problem but that problem is

40:35 ↗ not clear is

40:37 ↗ it so I think that language needs to be

40:41 ↗ changed and I don't know exactly who who

40:44 ↗ wrote The Language there you go invasive

40:46 ↗ weeds it seems

40:49 ↗ like it sounded like the city and the

40:53 ↗ school district have been responsible Co

40:56 ↗ cooperatively for the maintenance of the

40:59 ↗ trail and you know I've been I've

41:03 ↗ maintained the trail for about 10 years

41:05 ↗ and I stopped two years ago because I

41:07 ↗ just can't stand it

41:11 ↗ anymore so the other day when I was

41:14 ↗ working cutting broom on Lake tradition

41:16 ↗ Plateau I had a woman come up to me and

41:19 ↗ show me a picture of the Scotch broom

41:21 ↗ behind the high school saying wow you're

41:24 ↗ working up here why aren't you working

41:25 ↗ down there on that Trail look I took a

41:27 ↗ picture of how bad it is have you seen

41:29 ↗ this and she showed me the portion of

41:32 ↗ the trail that I gave up maintaining two

41:34 ↗ years ago and nothing changes I'm the

41:38 ↗ one M who is maintaining the trail so I

41:40 ↗ don't understand still who's maintaining

41:43 ↗ the trail someone needs

41:47 ↗ to but I don't know that the language

41:49 ↗ that you have provided will actually

41:51 ↗ make it happen because there's nothing

41:53 ↗ saying if no one does maintain the trail

41:55 ↗ what will happen the public easement

41:58 ↗ that was drawn my recollection is that

42:01 ↗ is actually a 60 foot public easement

42:05 ↗ that we could use have used as a road

42:08 ↗ for the southeast bypass so I don't

42:10 ↗ exactly understand how we're going to

42:13 ↗ have a public easement section on top of

42:16 ↗ what is already a public easement I

42:18 ↗ think it's a power easement of some sort

42:21 ↗ and uh I have one other story and then

42:25 ↗ I'm going to

42:27 ↗ clude with a thought

42:30 ↗ um I was up there and walking the dog

42:33 ↗ and having a happy day and I came out

42:36 ↗ and saw the clearing and Grading so

42:38 ↗ basically I I threw a a stink fit

42:41 ↗ because I was not expecting that but

42:43 ↗ while I was standing there watching all

42:45 ↗ the high school students using the

42:47 ↗ gravel

42:48 ↗ road uh it was a traffic jam there were

42:52 ↗ two inches between each car they were

42:54 ↗ going two miles an hour um and that was

42:59 ↗ that was just with the cars being able

43:01 ↗ to park freely I don't understand how

43:04 ↗ the backing up is going to work with

43:09 ↗ that because there was no room or space

43:13 ↗ and these are high school students so I

43:15 ↗ don't think high school students are

43:17 ↗ good at backing into lines of traffic at

43:21 ↗ the same point in time the sweeper was

43:24 ↗ moving along and the kids were trying to

43:25 ↗ get passed and the gravel was

43:28 ↗ flying and I thought to myself the road

43:32 ↗ needs to be paved and I haven't seen

43:35 ↗ anywhere that this road needs to be

43:37 ↗ paved I think that needs to be a

43:38 ↗ condition because there's going to be so

43:41 ↗ much traffic and it's going to be this

43:44 ↗ supposedly nice Corridor and right now

43:46 ↗ it just kicks up dust it kicks up rocks

43:49 ↗ I was

43:50 ↗ ducking um so I would like to add have

43:53 ↗ that added as a condition if this is

43:55 ↗ going to be used for high school parking

43:57 ↗ that the road be paved all the way from

44:00 ↗ where it's not paved now around the

44:02 ↗ corner past the gun club the conditions

44:05 ↗ are a little bit better um for what's

44:09 ↗ going to happen to the trail in the

44:10 ↗ future I don't like the placement of the

44:13 ↗ trail I think it makes it a much worse

44:15 ↗ Trail than it is now very noisy uh right

44:18 ↗ by the gun club but you've heard all

44:20 ↗ that before and you've seen my comments

44:22 ↗ before and I hope you can remember what

44:25 ↗ they are because I don't I'm sort of

44:27 ↗ disheartened I hate coming to the

44:29 ↗ meetings and feeling like it's a done

44:32 ↗ deal uh it's frustrating to have it go

44:35 ↗ into basically construction before we

44:37 ↗ have the public hearing and it made me

44:39 ↗ not want to come at all and uh you know

44:42 ↗ me I'm here and sometimes I'm grumpier

44:45 ↗ I'm really really grumpy with this one

44:49 ↗ thanks thank you is there anyone else

44:51 ↗ that cares to speak tonight member of

44:54 ↗ the public okay

45:00 ↗ yes please do and then when you get up

45:01 ↗ to the uh mic give your name and your

45:03 ↗ address

45:15 ↗ please all right my name is uh life

45:17 ↗ Stephanie uh I'm is AEL resident on uh

45:20 ↗ 385 East Sunset way and I also work up

45:24 ↗ at the isoa Sportsman Club um the couple

45:28 ↗ things I just want to address some

45:29 ↗ others have already said it but I wanted

45:30 ↗ to restate the same

45:32 ↗ thing uh is that the the parking

45:36 ↗ situation for the high school students

45:38 ↗ up on uh the gravel road up towards the

45:41 ↗ range um we deal with problems there

45:44 ↗ every day uh that we're open uh I still

45:48 ↗ maintain we need emergency vehicle

45:50 ↗ access up there um and often the way

45:53 ↗ that students have parked in the past

45:55 ↗ and current ly it's being enforced a

45:57 ↗ little bit more um but we've had

46:00 ↗ problems with students parking all the

46:01 ↗ way out into the road uh to points where

46:05 ↗ we can't get a firet truck up there in

46:07 ↗ case we needed one uh now like I said

46:10 ↗ theyve worked on it and they're talking

46:11 ↗ about the angled parking which I have

46:14 ↗ the same concerns as the others about

46:16 ↗ the angled parking uh being that we

46:19 ↗ already also have issues with students

46:20 ↗ almost hitting I've been hit multiple

46:22 ↗ times almost by students I almost hit by

46:25 ↗ students

46:26 ↗ um I have many customers that same thing

46:30 ↗ almost get hit by students pulling out a

46:32 ↗ lot of them speed up and down the road

46:34 ↗ do burnouts

46:35 ↗ Donuts um and understand they high

46:38 ↗ school students you know they're they're

46:39 ↗ letting out things like that but it's a

46:43 ↗ hazard uh it needs to be addressed uh

46:47 ↗ the the other thing that I wanted to

46:49 ↗ then mention here was um same thing that

46:53 ↗ Connie had mentioned about the Gravel

46:56 ↗ Road it always gets torn up from

46:59 ↗ students doing donuts tearing up and

47:02 ↗ down the road it's and it's also just

47:05 ↗ very heavily used by I mean customers of

47:07 ↗ our range and

47:09 ↗ students um and I don't know how often

47:12 ↗ we have had to contact the city to regra

47:16 ↗ the road and it's always a huge hassle

47:19 ↗ unfortunately to get someone to come out

47:22 ↗ and do that I mean it gets really bad

47:24 ↗ currently it's been it's held up

47:26 ↗ actually since the last time they've

47:27 ↗ done it but I know it's only a matter of

47:29 ↗ probably another month to where we have

47:30 ↗ huge potholes a lot of customers at our

47:33 ↗ range complain that they can't often

47:35 ↗ they don't want to drive down the road

47:37 ↗ because it's just so bad um with

47:40 ↗ students Now parking on both sides of

47:42 ↗ the roads were forced to drive through

47:44 ↗ deep potholes when they're there um and

47:47 ↗ we've also for a long time thought that

47:50 ↗ it would be probably in everyone's best

47:52 ↗ interest for uh to pave the road which

47:56 ↗ would long-term keep cost down for the

47:59 ↗ city which has to now currently I for

48:02 ↗ years they've been just reg graveling

48:04 ↗ regra uh why not just do it right once

48:07 ↗ and then we just don't have to worry

48:08 ↗ about it anymore especially if traffic

48:10 ↗ is going to get heavier up there and

48:12 ↗ we're already doing a bunch of

48:14 ↗ construction um let's just pave it that

48:17 ↗ way students also not only will it be a

48:19 ↗ better road that doesn't need to be

48:20 ↗ constantly maintained but um a paved

48:24 ↗ road is not not going to be as inviting

48:27 ↗ at all for students to do burnouts drag

48:30 ↗ racing drifting uh they do that on

48:32 ↗ gravel roads we all know it's easy to do

48:35 ↗ that on a gravel road and people think

48:37 ↗ oh it's you know not a real Road and

48:38 ↗ that's where we can go goof off if it's

48:40 ↗ paved um then we're not going to see as

48:43 ↗ much of that um so that's all I had to

48:47 ↗ say here tonight thank you thank you

48:50 ↗ sir is there anyone else that would like

48:53 ↗ to uh comment on the record

48:56 ↗ before we

48:58 ↗ proceed if not we will close the public

49:01 ↗ hearing aspect of the meeting and we

49:03 ↗ will now go to the commi indivi give the

49:06 ↗ individual Commissioners an opportunity

49:07 ↗ to uh ask further questions uh the

49:11 ↗ clarifications so on Mr so do you want

49:14 ↗ to start if you

49:15 ↗ have I think my uh my concerns have been

49:19 ↗ addressed I I was really concerned about

49:21 ↗ the diagonal parking on Evans I I also

49:24 ↗ don't see how that necessarily is going

49:26 ↗ to create enough room to for because I

49:28 ↗ don't people are going to back out

49:30 ↗ through tra across two lanes of traffic

49:32 ↗ I guess I it just doesn't make sense to

49:34 ↗ me doesn't seem like a viable

49:37 ↗ plan that's it commissioner brenon I

49:41 ↗ guess on that same on that same point a

49:43 ↗ couple of comments um both from the

49:45 ↗ public and then just from me regarding

49:48 ↗ that so the I don't know that I quite

49:50 ↗ understood from looking at the staff

49:53 ↗ information about how circulation will

49:55 ↗ actually actually happen with parking

49:56 ↗ and where they turn around and and how

49:58 ↗ that how that how the logistics are

50:01 ↗ going to work getting people in and out

50:03 ↗ of that road and parking when school

50:07 ↗ when they're coming and leaving uh

50:09 ↗ school so if you could maybe explain a

50:12 ↗ little bit maybe the drawing you could

50:13 ↗ bring that drawing back up and explain a

50:14 ↗ little bit about what what does the what

50:16 ↗ do the logistics look like trying to get

50:18 ↗ those students in and out of those

50:19 ↗ parking stalls and down that road going

50:21 ↗ the other direction and if if I could uh

50:24 ↗ add to uh commissioner Brennan's

50:26 ↗ question if you could take into

50:28 ↗ consideration in this uh

50:30 ↗ explanation uh the traffic from the the

50:34 ↗ Sportsman's Club which is part of this

50:36 ↗ equation it's a factor in the equation

50:38 ↗ so if we're going to address this and I

50:39 ↗ think we should as he said let's uh

50:42 ↗ let's include that factor in the

50:45 ↗ equation I'm GNA have Steve Crawford um

50:48 ↗ respond to that um since it's they're

50:51 ↗ they'll be responsible for making sure

50:53 ↗ that all that circulation works on a

50:56 ↗ day-to-day

50:57 ↗ basis so currently students are parking

51:00 ↗ on both sides of

51:02 ↗ Evans there is adequate space for single

51:07 ↗ car parallel parking on either side of

51:09 ↗ Evans and a minimum of at least two 12T

51:12 ↗ travel Lanes in between so the roadway

51:14 ↗ is wide enough to provide for emergency

51:17 ↗ or any other vehicle

51:19 ↗ access as you have cars

51:22 ↗ parked headed eastbound

51:26 ↗ on the south side of the road they're

51:28 ↗ going to currently go up and they're

51:30 ↗ going to make a u-turn at the

51:31 ↗ intersection and head back

51:33 ↗ out cars that are parked headed west

51:38 ↗ currently drive up the road make a

51:41 ↗ U-turn and find a place to park headed

51:44 ↗ westbound on Evans so the diagonal

51:47 ↗ parking consolidates the parking to one

51:50 ↗ side of the road provides for marked

51:53 ↗ wheel stops provides an opportunity for

51:56 ↗ the school to assign

51:58 ↗ spaces if they so desire provides for a

52:02 ↗ walk path on the south side of the road

52:05 ↗ so there's immediate access out of the

52:07 ↗ cars on the side of the road where

52:09 ↗ they're parking and that leads back into

52:12 ↗ the school

52:14 ↗ campus that trail also provides for a

52:18 ↗ relocation of the existing section of

52:21 ↗ the reineer trail that currently goes

52:23 ↗ through the middle of the school camp

52:25 ↗ campus that trail is about at most 6 ft

52:29 ↗ wide in a lot of places it's 2 or 3 ft

52:32 ↗ wide it currently passes between 10 to

52:35 ↗ 20 feet away from the existing upper

52:38 ↗ high school parking

52:40 ↗ lot passes between the building and the

52:43 ↗ tennis courts and connects up to the

52:44 ↗ trail at the South End of the

52:48 ↗ campus a trail a public access trail

52:51 ↗ running through the middle of the campus

52:52 ↗ is no longer a viable

52:56 ↗ option based on Safety and

52:58 ↗ Security so we've proposed to relocate

53:01 ↗ that

53:02 ↗ trail from the point where it connects

53:04 ↗ to Evans with a Crossing concrete

53:07 ↗ Crossing follow back around head back

53:10 ↗ south this is really the currently the

53:13 ↗ the alignment of the trail that was been

53:15 ↗ in place when the school uh at a the ISA

53:18 ↗ high school campus was under

53:20 ↗ construction so again it's

53:24 ↗ there's that's a little bit bigger

53:26 ↗ picture but this is the current

53:28 ↗ alignment of the trail along the old

53:31 ↗ railroad crossing right down next to the

53:34 ↗ parking lot where kids have been parking

53:37 ↗ forever down through adjacent to the

53:39 ↗ softball fields discus cage tennis

53:42 ↗ courts and connecting up back south so

53:45 ↗ it does represent a relocation of the

53:47 ↗ trail

53:49 ↗ uh there's more trees adjacent to the

53:51 ↗ trail in this location than there are

53:53 ↗ over here and then it connects back up

53:55 ↗ to the section of the trail this was the

53:57 ↗ location where there were two gravel

53:59 ↗ parking spaces

54:02 ↗ proposed based on previous public

54:04 ↗ comments I think the reality is that

54:07 ↗ there's not a lot of Trail access and

54:09 ↗ use during school hours so the diagonal

54:13 ↗ parking that'll be available along Evans

54:15 ↗ represents a pretty significant addition

54:17 ↗ of available parking for users after

54:20 ↗ school hours and on

54:24 ↗ weekends

54:26 ↗ one more question on the parking counil

54:29 ↗ you currently we have parallel parking

54:30 ↗ both sides of Evans up in that segment

54:33 ↗ so with the diagonal parking what's the

54:35 ↗ Delta between what's provided now in um

54:39 ↗ available parking versus what will be

54:41 ↗ allowed for provided for with the

54:42 ↗ diagonal parking I think there's about

54:45 ↗ 37 spaces here in the diagonal parking

54:47 ↗ and then currently there's about 50

54:49 ↗ spaces in both uh directions

54:52 ↗ parallel and what what what is the

54:55 ↗ cross-section of the road how wide is

54:57 ↗ that there uh you got two travel lanes

55:01 ↗ and two 8T parking Lanes so it's 24 36

55:04 ↗ there's a 3940 ft I've personally

55:08 ↗ measured it all the way from one end to

55:10 ↗ the other and painted lines in to help

55:13 ↗ guide the students because we affected

55:15 ↗ to change over spring break so I know

55:19 ↗ personally that there is space for

55:20 ↗ parallel parking on both sides and two

55:22 ↗ minimum 12T travel Lanes thank you

55:29 ↗ again I'm going to make sure I get the

55:30 ↗ number so you said approximately 50

55:32 ↗ parallel parking spaces now and so

55:34 ↗ you'll be reducing it to 37 with the

55:36 ↗ diagonal

55:38 ↗ okay well well according to your drawing

55:41 ↗ there's 34 existing spaces okay 18 on

55:44 ↗ the North side and 16 on the South Side

55:48 ↗ okay and that the plan that you proposed

55:51 ↗ has a total of

55:53 ↗ 37 29 on the angled in and then eight

55:57 ↗ along the side well my error and

56:01 ↗ recollection of numbers it it is a

56:04 ↗ little bit I believe a reduction in the

56:06 ↗ spaces that currently

56:08 ↗ exist you plan on um marking

56:13 ↗ the the the side where there will no

56:15 ↗ longer be parking allowed is it going to

56:17 ↗ be signed to posted as as no

56:21 ↗ parking Mark no parking now well no it

56:24 ↗ isn't right now after spring break it's

56:26 ↗ marked as parallel parking only on both

56:28 ↗ sides of the

56:29 ↗ road

56:32 ↗ okay and granted there has been some

56:35 ↗ issue in the past with students uh kind

56:38 ↗ of Helter Skelter parking the school is

56:41 ↗ aware of the fact that that is School

56:43 ↗ District property and that they do have

56:45 ↗ the ability to enforce that and there

56:48 ↗ has been some assistance with uh City

56:50 ↗ police uh particularly after spring

56:52 ↗ break and I know that uh there were some

56:54 ↗ TI tiets issued

56:58 ↗ today question Morgan sort of a side

57:01 ↗ question I guess with regard to the

57:02 ↗ trail the question that came up about

57:04 ↗ why not have the trail go across on the

57:07 ↗ north side of the softball field and

57:09 ↗ connect if people aren't going if

57:11 ↗ they'll continue doing that

57:14 ↗ path mean continue through here no I

57:17 ↗ think Mr kler was saying that people

57:19 ↗ would when they get to the North End of

57:22 ↗ the softball field would cross over and

57:24 ↗ go north instead of going up and around

57:26 ↗ if I understood Mr kapler

57:29 ↗ correctly uh I took that to mean that

57:31 ↗ they would continue to cross and

57:33 ↗ continue to walk through the School site

57:36 ↗ in this old configuration when they get

57:38 ↗ to the softball field I think right

57:41 ↗ there they would nope the north end of

57:43 ↗ it they would cut right cut through

57:47 ↗ there is that correct there

57:49 ↗ isn't there isn't really a trail

57:52 ↗ there so I

57:55 ↗ so I guess we don't need a

57:57 ↗ trail I I I don't know it well enough so

58:00 ↗ I don't know if if again if it's for

58:04 ↗ putting a trail that people aren't going

58:05 ↗ to use but is there reason not to have a

58:08 ↗ trail along there if it's one that's

58:10 ↗ being

58:13 ↗ used um to my knowledge there wasn't a

58:16 ↗ trail there

58:19 ↗ and uh there are future plans for this

58:22 ↗ portion of the property to be developed

58:25 ↗ into part of the school campus okay so

58:27 ↗ it would be in essence a ways to develop

58:30 ↗ a trail that's going to again run

58:32 ↗ through the middle of a school

58:33 ↗ campus thank the other um

58:39 ↗ item the other item to add would be that

58:43 ↗ um you know there are two aspects of

58:45 ↗ using that one is the trail and the

58:47 ↗ other is

58:49 ↗ um encouraging students to not walk in

58:52 ↗ the road but to have a place Place away

58:55 ↗ from the moving cars so um even if Trail

58:59 ↗ users are making the shortcut that you

59:02 ↗ identified for the part uh students

59:04 ↗ getting in and out of the cars I think

59:06 ↗ there would still be a value um to have

59:09 ↗ that trail in that location running

59:11 ↗ because I was thinking you could have

59:12 ↗ the walkway for the students and the

59:14 ↗ trail two different items but again if

59:17 ↗ it's going through the school property

59:19 ↗ and you wouldn't want to in the future I

59:21 ↗ can understand that so I guess question

59:25 ↗ maybe this is for Sheldon perhaps the

59:27 ↗ question about Paving the

59:28 ↗ road

59:30 ↗ and people suggested doing that and then

59:33 ↗ sort of hear the thought process about

59:42 ↗ it Paving the road uh would help with

59:46 ↗ the maintenance issues with the gravel

59:49 ↗ being having to be replaced regraded

59:51 ↗ periodically uh I understand the city

59:54 ↗ does do that work when it's

59:55 ↗ requested

59:58 ↗ uh by Paving the road it

1:00:00 ↗ also would cause you know additional

1:00:04 ↗ storm water issues that would have to be

1:00:06 ↗ addressed uh that haven't been looked at

1:00:09 ↗ yet

1:00:11 ↗ so if the commission wanted to condition

1:00:14 ↗ it to be paved we'd have to evaluate

1:00:16 ↗ storm water conditions as construction

1:00:18 ↗ permits come up and figure out how to

1:00:20 ↗ address the storm water issues

1:00:21 ↗ associated with that

1:00:23 ↗ runoff thank you and I I I guess I

1:00:26 ↗ didn't want to infer that we know more

1:00:28 ↗ about Paving roads than we're not

1:00:30 ↗ Traffic Engineers certainly but just

1:00:32 ↗ wanted to just sort of hear thoughts on

1:00:34 ↗ it thank you and so I'd like to add a

1:00:36 ↗ comment there that the

1:00:38 ↗ area in this area is an area that the

1:00:41 ↗ school district has planned to provide

1:00:43 ↗ for future high school

1:00:45 ↗ parking if

1:00:48 ↗ there's consideration of a condition

1:00:50 ↗ that this road be paved as a part of

1:00:53 ↗ this project the school district will

1:00:55 ↗ move forward with the paving of our own

1:00:57 ↗ parking lot and we'll just eliminate any

1:01:00 ↗ parking in our use here this is a 60

1:01:02 ↗ foot easement that was granted to the

1:01:04 ↗ city for Access and utilities primarily

1:01:08 ↗ to serve the Sportsman's

1:01:11 ↗ Club so I that was a question was going

1:01:14 ↗ through my mind so it's not dedicated

1:01:16 ↗ City rway then it's easement okay it's

1:01:19 ↗ an easement

1:01:23 ↗ okay the the parking lot that the the

1:01:27 ↗ buildout parking lot that we're talking

1:01:30 ↗ about there

1:01:33 ↗ uh I I absolutely understand that this

1:01:36 ↗ question that I'm about to ask is is

1:01:41 ↗ futuristic but there has been as you

1:01:43 ↗ know there has been significant conern

1:01:45 ↗ concern expressed about the uh number of

1:01:50 ↗ students that are driving cars instead

1:01:52 ↗ of taking buses and the number of

1:01:53 ↗ parents that are are dropping kids off

1:01:56 ↗ and picking them up and so on um and I

1:01:59 ↗ I'm just curious as to what it would

1:02:02 ↗ take uh for the school in terms of a an

1:02:06 ↗ a school district program to encourage

1:02:09 ↗ parents and students is there a

1:02:12 ↗ possibility that you're not going to

1:02:13 ↗ need that let's put it that way the

1:02:16 ↗ parking yeah that is a real possibility

1:02:20 ↗ we have a bond committee working on the

1:02:24 ↗ future direction of high schools in the

1:02:27 ↗ district a primary question is a part of

1:02:30 ↗ that bond process is do we build another

1:02:33 ↗ high school if we maintain our current

1:02:37 ↗ Skyline isqua and Liberty high schools

1:02:39 ↗ isqua and Skyline will grow to

1:02:42 ↗ probably 25 2600 students by the year

1:02:46 ↗ 2020 if we are

1:02:50 ↗ successful in the bond committee moving

1:02:53 ↗ forward with with the recommendation to

1:02:55 ↗ build a fourth high school we find

1:02:57 ↗ property and build a fourth High School

1:03:00 ↗ both Skyline and isqua and the new high

1:03:02 ↗ school would probably be about 1,600

1:03:04 ↗ students and you would find that the

1:03:07 ↗ population at is high school would

1:03:09 ↗ diminish considerably and it's now uh a

1:03:13 ↗ little over 21 so we go from 2100 to to

1:03:17 ↗ about 6600 if the new schools Bill MH

1:03:22 ↗ yes in that case uh

1:03:25 ↗ what in that eventuality what would the

1:03:28 ↗ purpose of that uh that area be in that

1:03:32 ↗ case if if it's determined that it's

1:03:35 ↗ not uh I'm just asking this question

1:03:37 ↗ because we're we're talking about what's

1:03:39 ↗ going to be done now as as as the next

1:03:42 ↗ step we would probably look at that as

1:03:46 ↗ something other than a parking

1:03:48 ↗ lot that if the student population goes

1:03:51 ↗ down the needs for the parking are

1:03:53 ↗ diminished

1:03:55 ↗ we are faced with serious growth issues

1:03:59 ↗ that land is very scarce very

1:04:03 ↗ expensive um that area including the

1:04:07 ↗ section north of Evans up to the gun the

1:04:10 ↗ Sportsman's Club South Boundary that's

1:04:13 ↗ all School District

1:04:15 ↗ property who knows what that might be at

1:04:18 ↗ some point in time in the future okay um

1:04:20 ↗ the likelihood is that at some point in

1:04:22 ↗ time it'll get developed to support the

1:04:24 ↗ population of students that continues to

1:04:26 ↗ grow in the area whether it's elementary

1:04:29 ↗ middle or high school kids I don't know

1:04:32 ↗ okay commiss Morgan did you have another

1:04:36 ↗ question okay I've got a I've got a

1:04:39 ↗ couple

1:04:43 ↗ um in the traffic management PL part you

1:04:48 ↗ talked

1:04:50 ↗ about the problem with Second Avenue and

1:04:53 ↗ sunset neutral traffic and

1:04:55 ↗ then new traffic signal at the

1:04:58 ↗ intersection of front and

1:05:02 ↗ sunset I've read that in the report too

1:05:04 ↗ and I'll leave that just what new

1:05:07 ↗ traffic

1:05:10 ↗ signal or is it

1:05:13 ↗ just you know changing the timing on

1:05:16 ↗ turns and stuff like that no it's it's

1:05:20 ↗ not a new signal at front and sunset but

1:05:23 ↗ what it would

1:05:25 ↗ there's new traffic signal intersection

1:05:26 ↗ of front and sunset in the staff report

1:05:29 ↗ that's probably a miswritten sentence

1:05:32 ↗ there by accident uh the front and

1:05:35 ↗ sunset signalized intersection as it is

1:05:38 ↗ today is actually in the city's Capital

1:05:41 ↗ program for reconstructing to provide

1:05:45 ↗ for increased capacity of each of the

1:05:48 ↗ four legs by providing turn uh

1:05:51 ↗ additional Lanes Northbound and South

1:05:54 ↗ bound uh which impact parking as well as

1:05:58 ↗ the East West legs of extending the

1:06:01 ↗ dedicated Lanes of traffic coming

1:06:04 ↗ through the intersection which will

1:06:05 ↗ allow the signal to operate more

1:06:07 ↗ efficiently and effectively so it's it's

1:06:10 ↗ not a brand new signal okay but it's a

1:06:13 ↗ reconstruction of that intersection to

1:06:14 ↗ increase its

1:06:17 ↗ capacity cheldon if I can I I also had a

1:06:20 ↗ question about that specific

1:06:22 ↗ intersection now we're talking about the

1:06:24 ↗ intersection with uh the library and

1:06:28 ↗ Jacks correct and and the Shell station

1:06:31 ↗ and the law office right so I don't

1:06:36 ↗ Envision those moving so are we talking

1:06:38 ↗ about restricting parking on the edges

1:06:42 ↗ of that to that would be what would be

1:06:44 ↗ required is a restriction on

1:06:47 ↗ parking there there's already some areas

1:06:49 ↗ that parking is restricted already uh

1:06:53 ↗ but we would have have to work within

1:06:54 ↗ the current pave section and so forth

1:06:56 ↗ It's not taking any of the property uh

1:07:00 ↗ that would impact buildings or anything

1:07:01 ↗ like that we're not talking about that

1:07:03 ↗ all right and the other intersection

1:07:06 ↗ that is one one of the ones that you

1:07:08 ↗ mentioned earlier is the intersection at

1:07:09 ↗ Clark and and Newport in Fr correct same

1:07:13 ↗ thing there same thing there working

1:07:15 ↗ within the existing right of ways not

1:07:17 ↗ taking property all the improvements of

1:07:20 ↗ at that intersection would either be on

1:07:22 ↗ the leg of Clark which is on the east

1:07:25 ↗ side of the intersection or possibly uh

1:07:29 ↗ creating another way another access

1:07:31 ↗ point coming out on First Avenue I

1:07:34 ↗ believe that's the street right next to

1:07:36 ↗ the community

1:07:37 ↗ center

1:07:39 ↗ okay okay that I just no point well

1:07:43 ↗ taken and I'd still be curious to you

1:07:46 ↗ we'll see it down the road I guess as to

1:07:48 ↗ what parking because it doesn't seem

1:07:49 ↗ like there's much room in there to

1:07:51 ↗ change turn turn lights and stuff it

1:07:53 ↗ it's very tight

1:07:54 ↗ and it it is a challenging project okay

1:07:58 ↗ one of the things for staff that we sort

1:08:00 ↗ of blew right by was the Wetland

1:08:05 ↗ buffer and I had a question in regards

1:08:09 ↗ to storm water

1:08:13 ↗ runoff and the staff report says there

1:08:16 ↗ going to be about 1,500 square feet due

1:08:18 ↗ to a new new

1:08:20 ↗ outfall will be mitigated the proposed

1:08:23 ↗ outfall will conveying storm water from

1:08:25 ↗ the busard into the buffer

1:08:28 ↗ area and

1:08:30 ↗ that the municipal code allows storm

1:08:33 ↗ water runoff to be discharged into

1:08:35 ↗ Wetland buffers as long as it is

1:08:40 ↗ treated where is the storm water being

1:08:46 ↗ treated um so I have to I have to admit

1:08:50 ↗ that um I had a lot of assistance from

1:08:52 ↗ our environmental plan planner as far as

1:08:55 ↗ the determination and review of that

1:08:57 ↗ section so I was relying on his review

1:09:00 ↗ and he's actually un vacation um I'm

1:09:03 ↗ going to try my best to um un um to

1:09:06 ↗ explain that I guess I don't have a

1:09:09 ↗ Graphic um but basically uh all the

1:09:12 ↗ treatment will be included as part of

1:09:15 ↗ the Civil review and um just like with

1:09:19 ↗ all the others um the all the other

1:09:22 ↗ storm water in up in this project it

1:09:25 ↗ will all be treated on site and then

1:09:27 ↗ before it will um be

1:09:31 ↗ discharged Amy is it is it do you have

1:09:34 ↗ any is it going to be do you know if

1:09:36 ↗ it's going to be a percolation treatment

1:09:38 ↗ the percolation pits that or or

1:09:40 ↗ capabilities that will percolate the

1:09:42 ↗ runoff before it enters

1:09:47 ↗ uh looks like just a pipe hitting a

1:09:50 ↗ bunch of rocks and my my recollection

1:09:52 ↗ was it that it was retention the

1:09:54 ↗ treatment was

1:09:55 ↗ retention

1:09:59 ↗ reading Steve can provide some more

1:10:02 ↗ technical so in the report on page 21 of

1:10:05 ↗ 84 there is a site plan that shows the

1:10:09 ↗ drainage into catch basins and a pipe

1:10:12 ↗ that runs down Southward to a treatment

1:10:16 ↗ uh filtration type system that then

1:10:18 ↗ discharges to the buffer

1:10:22 ↗ wetland

1:10:32 ↗ and there there's been a little bit of a

1:10:34 ↗ change this in terms of of this detail

1:10:36 ↗ from staff recommendation that the

1:10:38 ↗ outfall pipe was shortened up so that

1:10:40 ↗ there's a longer run before it reaches

1:10:42 ↗ the

1:10:45 ↗ Wetland okay I guess I I was just

1:10:48 ↗ looking at this nice color drawing on

1:10:51 ↗ page 19 and it's got new storm water

1:10:54 ↗ piping heading out into a bunch of

1:10:59 ↗ rocks so there's two different you know

1:11:02 ↗ one is to slow the flow and I think the

1:11:04 ↗ rocks that you're identifying is to

1:11:07 ↗ ensure that the flow is not such that it

1:11:10 ↗ erodes I'm not sure that's that to me

1:11:13 ↗ means that there's an awful lot of water

1:11:15 ↗ flowing if you're worried about rocks to

1:11:17 ↗ disperse the flow just wondering where

1:11:19 ↗ it's getting treated I so there's

1:11:22 ↗ a

1:11:24 ↗ on page

1:11:26 ↗ 21 new manhole the filter structure

1:11:30 ↗ that's Upstream on the pipeline of the

1:11:32 ↗ manhole and the manhole provides for

1:11:35 ↗ flow control as well as the filter and

1:11:38 ↗ then the discharge and standard

1:11:40 ↗ discharge out of any storm water pipe is

1:11:42 ↗ a a rip wrap Rock area so that you're

1:11:45 ↗ just not having a sheet flow over the

1:11:47 ↗ surface

1:11:49 ↗ okay so there's a there's a filter

1:11:52 ↗ system in in under the road and then not

1:11:56 ↗ I

1:11:57 ↗ guess I'm beating a dead horse probably

1:12:01 ↗ but I got to tell you when I looked at

1:12:02 ↗ this drawing I of the parking on uh

1:12:05 ↗ Evans I thought that's going to that'll

1:12:07 ↗ work out pretty good because I

1:12:09 ↗ assumed falsely that there was going to

1:12:12 ↗ be nice lines drawn where the kids would

1:12:14 ↗ pull in and park even line and stuff

1:12:17 ↗ like that and now it looks like it's

1:12:19 ↗ just going to be a pile of gravel with a

1:12:21 ↗ concrete bumper that they're going to

1:12:23 ↗ aim at app Hazard like kids will

1:12:27 ↗ do well the bumpers at least provide

1:12:29 ↗ some delineation of parking spaces as

1:12:32 ↗ opposed to parallel parking that doesn't

1:12:35 ↗ have any

1:12:36 ↗ delineation well I was going to ask qu

1:12:40 ↗ because again I had just assumed it was

1:12:41 ↗ being black topped and I would think

1:12:45 ↗ that would be the smart thing to do but

1:12:47 ↗ cost money and I understand that and

1:12:50 ↗ there there's the percolation but

1:12:52 ↗ they've got wonderful new blacktop I

1:12:54 ↗ understand because it's over there on

1:12:56 ↗ one of the other roads in town that

1:12:58 ↗ allows for percolation through the black

1:13:00 ↗ top too I was going to ask about whether

1:13:03 ↗ there's restriction and

1:13:05 ↗ because I see it again as a problem with

1:13:08 ↗ the kids pulling in and at the end of

1:13:09 ↗ school backing out trying to do y turns

1:13:13 ↗ in there so that they can get out

1:13:16 ↗ quicker I don't think they're going to

1:13:19 ↗ pull out and drive all the way to that

1:13:21 ↗ turnaround and I wondered if there was

1:13:24 ↗ again when I thought it was being black

1:13:25 ↗ toed if there was a requirement to

1:13:27 ↗ potentially make it require backend

1:13:29 ↗ parking so in the morning when they're

1:13:32 ↗ not that enthusiastic about getting to

1:13:34 ↗ school

1:13:35 ↗ anyway they would take a little bit

1:13:37 ↗ longer to back in so that when they end

1:13:41 ↗ of school is and they want to leave they

1:13:43 ↗ can get right out uh I don't know about

1:13:46 ↗ that and then this turnaround up here I

1:13:48 ↗ don't

1:13:49 ↗ know I didn't I was just curious if

1:13:52 ↗ there was a bigger turnaround former if

1:13:54 ↗ that's just doing

1:13:56 ↗ a real

1:13:58 ↗ quick accelerate and crank the wheel

1:14:01 ↗ over hard to the left to spin around and

1:14:03 ↗ end up being a big burm eventually for

1:14:05 ↗ the boys to get out to the shooting

1:14:09 ↗ club um they seem to manage now and I I

1:14:13 ↗ know that the road gets wet it gets

1:14:16 ↗ muddy it gets rutted from time to time

1:14:18 ↗ but I haven't seen the circle or the

1:14:22 ↗ U-turn area at the te

1:14:25 ↗ become a banked corner from burnouts on

1:14:28 ↗ the way out if you were to do backin

1:14:31 ↗ parking it would have to be on the north

1:14:33 ↗ side of the road so that it it's on the

1:14:35 ↗ exiting side so then everybody would

1:14:38 ↗ have to cross the

1:14:39 ↗ road on their way to car no because they

1:14:43 ↗ could do the same thing they do now that

1:14:45 ↗ you get to their car by say yeah they

1:14:47 ↗ would cross here instead of no they

1:14:49 ↗ could drive up here in the morning turn

1:14:51 ↗ around come down and back in to the to

1:14:54 ↗ the south side of the

1:14:57 ↗ road

1:15:00 ↗ TR cross traffic no what he's saying is

1:15:03 ↗ they could go east hit the turnaround

1:15:05 ↗ come back down and then back into the

1:15:06 ↗ north side of the road he said back into

1:15:08 ↗ the south side of the road well you

1:15:10 ↗ could turn the you could make the 45

1:15:13 ↗ degree angle go the opposite direction

1:15:15 ↗ and then you could head east and back

1:15:18 ↗ into a space but when you get ready to

1:15:20 ↗ leave then I think you'd be more PR

1:15:23 ↗ you guys have thought a lot harder than

1:15:25 ↗ we have I I just as long as we're

1:15:28 ↗ talking about this it seems to me that I

1:15:29 ↗ heard I heard a consensus of opinion

1:15:32 ↗ from the public comments from Mr Lynn

1:15:34 ↗ and yourself that it would be best long

1:15:38 ↗ term in terms of Maintenance and so on

1:15:41 ↗ if that were paved well from the school

1:15:44 ↗ district point of view we would not be

1:15:48 ↗ interested in participating but we would

1:15:50 ↗ move forward with the paving of Our Own

1:15:53 ↗ parking lot and allow the city to go

1:15:55 ↗ ahead and provide a paved roadway to

1:15:57 ↗ access the Sportsman's Club the parking

1:15:59 ↗ lot being the one we've talked about

1:16:01 ↗ correct that is the future possible

1:16:04 ↗ future parking lot which if that became

1:16:06 ↗ a condition would move up on the

1:16:08 ↗ schedule because we wouldn't be

1:16:09 ↗ interested in Paving a

1:16:15 ↗ roadway okay

1:16:17 ↗ interesting anything else that's all

1:16:19 ↗ I've got

1:16:22 ↗ M uh question for Amy if you could pull

1:16:25 ↗ back up the um I think it's the South

1:16:28 ↗ elevation the two

1:16:34 ↗ comparisons elevation uh the overall

1:16:37 ↗ South elevation yeah the comparison of

1:16:39 ↗ the

1:16:42 ↗ two

1:16:44 ↗ yes so in the package the revised

1:16:49 ↗ elevation didn't have new trees in it

1:16:53 ↗ um are there new trees being

1:16:56 ↗ added as part of the

1:16:59 ↗ changes um I think when we looked at

1:17:01 ↗ this last time um they were showing I'm

1:17:06 ↗ sorry I don't have the SI plan what was

1:17:08 ↗ shown was almost like a foundation

1:17:11 ↗ Landscaping right up next to the gym

1:17:14 ↗ wall so because now what you uh what we

1:17:18 ↗ have is a seating area at the wall

1:17:21 ↗ they're providing a um a prvious paver

1:17:25 ↗ area and then the the trees are going to

1:17:28 ↗ be um located between um basically the

1:17:32 ↗ curb and what will be the future perious

1:17:36 ↗ area that's part of the seating area so

1:17:39 ↗ and and they will be in uh basically

1:17:41 ↗ tree grates like tree planters so it's

1:17:45 ↗ set up almost like in a more urban

1:17:48 ↗ sidewalk setting and and these are trees

1:17:50 ↗ that were added to the plan subsequent

1:17:53 ↗ to the initial exactly plan that we saw

1:17:56 ↗ before in the um the previous plan the

1:17:59 ↗ trees were actually closer to the gym

1:18:01 ↗ wall they were using it as their

1:18:03 ↗ screening and we said that wasn't

1:18:06 ↗ acceptable and so um the trees moved

1:18:08 ↗ closer to the street or the the drop off

1:18:11 ↗ area okay so I guess in my mind it's um

1:18:16 ↗ I was disappointed in this slide as a as

1:18:18 ↗ a presentation itself because

1:18:21 ↗ it you can look past it but it's in my

1:18:24 ↗ mind it's using the trees and the

1:18:26 ↗ revised elevation to try to obscure the

1:18:29 ↗ the blank

1:18:31 ↗ walls I'm we're aware of what they've

1:18:33 ↗ done in terms of adding the seating area

1:18:36 ↗ but we're looking at the walls of the

1:18:38 ↗ building and to throw some trees in

1:18:42 ↗ front of it in the revised

1:18:44 ↗ elevation to me is just trying to mask

1:18:47 ↗ something there that they didn't have to

1:18:48 ↗ do because in the package the trees

1:18:50 ↗ weren't there and it would have to me

1:18:53 ↗ but it's very frustrating you see

1:18:54 ↗ something like put up there it's like a

1:18:55 ↗ smoke screen in a way so not that it was

1:18:57 ↗ you're doing or anything because you

1:18:58 ↗ didn't create the graphic but it should

1:19:01 ↗ have just been shown both ways without

1:19:03 ↗ trees and Amy are those are those

1:19:05 ↗ deciduous or conifers deciduous they're

1:19:08 ↗ deciduous so they're almost like Street

1:19:10 ↗ trees so they four or five months out of

1:19:14 ↗ the year they're not going to have

1:19:16 ↗ leaves so chances

1:19:21 ↗ are thank you and and and just so um and

1:19:24 ↗ and I appreciate you calling that out I

1:19:26 ↗ didn't even realize I actually asked

1:19:29 ↗ them for a clearer um version of the

1:19:34 ↗ graphics for this presentation so

1:19:37 ↗ whatever I received I just included in

1:19:40 ↗ my report or in my slides yeah I

1:19:43 ↗ understand thank

1:19:47 ↗ you anything

1:19:51 ↗ else I one more question um regarding

1:19:55 ↗ the circulation and there was a during I

1:20:00 ↗ think Sheldon during your comments about

1:20:02 ↗ some issues uh backing up onto Evans

1:20:05 ↗ Street because of some may uh drop off

1:20:08 ↗ challenges that in the internal

1:20:10 ↗ circulation can you explain a little bit

1:20:12 ↗ more about what the mitigation is for

1:20:15 ↗ that we have a lot of activity going on

1:20:18 ↗ over at May on Evans Street and anything

1:20:20 ↗ we can do to minimize the impact that

1:20:22 ↗ going to happen if we start queuing up

1:20:24 ↗ back on the street as we're trying to

1:20:25 ↗ get back into the school that starts to

1:20:27 ↗ become and a lot of cars are idling out

1:20:29 ↗ there challenging I think actually I'm

1:20:31 ↗ GNA have to have either Jeff Shram of

1:20:34 ↗ 10w or Steve Crawford because a lot of

1:20:36 ↗ that has to do with the internal

1:20:38 ↗ controls on the school district uh

1:20:40 ↗ property to help manage the flow of the

1:20:43 ↗ parent and students and buses and all

1:20:46 ↗ that together

1:20:47 ↗ plan yeah we we did have a lot of

1:20:50 ↗ conversation about this during the the

1:20:52 ↗ last meeting about the circulation about

1:20:54 ↗ some of the challenges that that was

1:20:56 ↗ creating so it sounds like we still are

1:20:58 ↗ working on

1:21:13 ↗ that so there's been some concern

1:21:16 ↗ that parents who are supposed to drop

1:21:19 ↗ off in the front of the building and

1:21:21 ↗ exit back out through the traffic light

1:21:24 ↗ might find coming in on Evans in through

1:21:28 ↗ past the loading dock and down past here

1:21:32 ↗ to access that an attractive

1:21:35 ↗ alternative so what we've talked about

1:21:37 ↗ is the fact that a there's going to be a

1:21:39 ↗ gate back here we're showing a gate at

1:21:41 ↗ this point and there's the potential to

1:21:44 ↗ add a gate at this point so that

1:21:47 ↗ basically our traffic in these areas our

1:21:53 ↗ staff for parking and buses enter on

1:21:58 ↗ Evans and come down and drop off both

1:22:02 ↗ middle and high school students before

1:22:05 ↗ they exit back out at the traffic light

1:22:08 ↗ so the control for those parents is

1:22:12 ↗ gate at this point which basically

1:22:15 ↗ precludes anybody accessing the area and

1:22:19 ↗ coming back around the east side of the

1:22:21 ↗ building and

1:22:23 ↗ and that gate would also preclude or it

1:22:26 ↗ would make it very frustrating if some

1:22:29 ↗ parent decided to leave here and instead

1:22:30 ↗ of going out at the traffic light go

1:22:33 ↗ back around this way and find that it's

1:22:34 ↗ blocked and have to turn around and come

1:22:36 ↗ back I suppose we could put another gate

1:22:38 ↗ here we had to but I think that what

1:22:41 ↗ would be found quickly is that exiting

1:22:44 ↗ back out through the traffic light is a

1:22:48 ↗ more expedient exit than if you were to

1:22:50 ↗ try and go back out and exit at devans

1:22:53 ↗ which is not a signal controlled

1:22:56 ↗ intersection so basically the the

1:22:58 ↗ control is

1:23:01 ↗ Gates so the gates would be what closed

1:23:06 ↗ as needed they would be automated gates

1:23:08 ↗ with card Keys how what's the thinking

1:23:11 ↗ to are they are they there just as

1:23:13 ↗ mitigation as necessary how would they

1:23:17 ↗ function if you close the gates then the

1:23:19 ↗ staff's going to have the same challenge

1:23:20 ↗ trying to get to the parking some some

1:23:23 ↗ of the staff would access through Evans

1:23:25 ↗ other staff here if if it was determined

1:23:28 ↗ that that was the problem and the gates

1:23:29 ↗ needed to be closed then the staff that

1:23:31 ↗ park on the Eastern side of the building

1:23:33 ↗ would enter at

1:23:35 ↗ this at the traffic light and come back

1:23:37 ↗ around to the east side of the building

1:23:39 ↗ okay so those gates are going to be

1:23:42 ↗ installed as part of the project we're

1:23:43 ↗ going to install the gates and the

1:23:47 ↗ closure and or open time

1:23:50 ↗ periods would be determined by by

1:23:53 ↗ practice okay thank

1:24:03 ↗ you Morgan commissioner Brennon

1:24:05 ↗ commission Sila pres um the issues the

1:24:10 ↗ questions that I had the clarifications

1:24:12 ↗ uh are U have all been addressed but I'm

1:24:16 ↗ I'm going to venture out on the limb

1:24:17 ↗ here and recognize that I'm about to

1:24:21 ↗ comment on something that this

1:24:23 ↗ development commission uh simply is

1:24:26 ↗ going to make an obser I'm going to make

1:24:27 ↗ an

1:24:28 ↗ observation uh for what it's worth I

1:24:30 ↗ attended two weeks ago I attended an all

1:24:32 ↗ day sustainability Summit AT ISO high

1:24:35 ↗ school that was one of the most

1:24:37 ↗ impressive things that I've participated

1:24:39 ↗ in in a long time and it was uh

1:24:41 ↗ primarily

1:24:43 ↗ students uh from isad school district uh

1:24:47 ↗ high schools and middle schools and

1:24:50 ↗ businesses that uh participate ated in

1:24:52 ↗ this and talked about uh programs

1:24:55 ↗ measurement of success goals uh

1:24:58 ↗ definable uh contributions and so on to

1:25:01 ↗ the objective of increasing

1:25:03 ↗ sustainability of of the individual

1:25:06 ↗ schools and the school system at whole

1:25:08 ↗ and there were some marvelous ideas

1:25:11 ↗ including some programs that are already

1:25:12 ↗ in

1:25:13 ↗ effect uh there was nothing mentioned

1:25:16 ↗ about uh

1:25:19 ↗ vehicles uh about uh an a concerted

1:25:23 ↗ effort

1:25:25 ↗ to address the increasing number of

1:25:28 ↗ private vehicles that are being used to

1:25:31 ↗ bring children students to school

1:25:33 ↗ whether they're driven by the students

1:25:35 ↗ or uh by parents of the students or by

1:25:38 ↗ somebody else that's picking them up and

1:25:39 ↗ Dr off and I personally think that's a

1:25:42 ↗ uh there's a a very significant

1:25:45 ↗ opportunity for the isqua school

1:25:47 ↗ district which is recognized as a leader

1:25:49 ↗ uh in in the Seattle metropolitan area

1:25:53 ↗ uh to take a real serious look at a

1:25:56 ↗ systemwide effort to educate students uh

1:26:01 ↗ and parents and uh administrators to

1:26:05 ↗ identify specific goals for reducing car

1:26:08 ↗ traffic in the schools and it's not just

1:26:10 ↗ for the environment it's for ultimate

1:26:12 ↗ expenses uh so if you have have to you

1:26:14 ↗ know pave less parking lots and things

1:26:17 ↗ like that and accommodate cars and

1:26:18 ↗ signals for the city and everything uh I

1:26:21 ↗ mean we're talking 10 15 20 years from

1:26:23 ↗ now but uh there's so much emphasis on

1:26:27 ↗ that subject in this area by so many

1:26:29 ↗ different government and non-government

1:26:31 ↗ entities that it just seems like a

1:26:33 ↗ marvelous opportunity for the isqua

1:26:35 ↗ school district to look at what is a

1:26:38 ↗ significant problem that we're here

1:26:40 ↗ tonight primarily talking about vehicle

1:26:43 ↗ traffic so I I you know for what it's

1:26:45 ↗ worth and maybe I ought to attend a a

1:26:48 ↗ school district meeting and and make

1:26:50 ↗ that recommendation as a as a private

1:26:52 ↗ citizen but uh the the issue does affect

1:26:55 ↗ us I mean it's it's come up here and

1:26:57 ↗ it's a significant part of our time and

1:26:59 ↗ in spirit of of cooperation and

1:27:02 ↗ continuing the the quality of life that

1:27:04 ↗ we have here in isiga I just I think

1:27:06 ↗ it's a an excellent opportunity that

1:27:09 ↗ could be pursued by everybody involved

1:27:12 ↗ the city the private sector uh the

1:27:14 ↗ school and we could we could get on the

1:27:17 ↗ map nationally by some that kind of

1:27:19 ↗ program because I I know this is

1:27:21 ↗ happening everywhere where they're

1:27:23 ↗ contending with more and more students

1:27:24 ↗ that are driving to school instead of

1:27:26 ↗ walking biking taking buses so that's

1:27:30 ↗ that's an uh an unusual recommendation I

1:27:33 ↗ recog I recognize that coming from the

1:27:36 ↗ development commission but I think it's

1:27:38 ↗ an opportunity that really needs to be

1:27:39 ↗ recognized so with

1:27:43 ↗ that if there are no further comments

1:27:48 ↗ additions

1:27:50 ↗ questions okay then we will move to

1:27:54 ↗ excuse me the final uh step that we're

1:27:56 ↗ going to take tonight which is uh to uh

1:27:59 ↗ proceed with a motion for recommendation

1:28:01 ↗ to city council regarding the isqua

1:28:03 ↗ school middle school approval with

1:28:07 ↗ conditions go forward go forward Mr

1:28:10 ↗ chair I move that the development

1:28:11 ↗ commission recommended the city council

1:28:13 ↗ approval of the master site plan and the

1:28:15 ↗ site development permit for isqu Middle

1:28:16 ↗ School B numberers msp1 14-

1:28:20 ↗ 00002 and sdp

1:28:22 ↗ 14- 0000001 is described and eval

1:28:26 ↗ evaluated in the staff report dated

1:28:28 ↗ February 18

1:28:30 ↗ 2015 and staff memo dated April 29th

1:28:33 ↗ 2015 including exhibits 1 through

1:28:36 ↗ 24 and subject to the conditions as

1:28:38 ↗ identified in the staff report revised

1:28:40 ↗ and added by the development Commission

1:28:41 ↗ in the February 19th 2015 recommendation

1:28:45 ↗ and as revised and added in the staff

1:28:47 ↗ memo at this public hearing

1:28:51 ↗ second it's been moved and seconded to

1:28:53 ↗ approve is there any further

1:28:56 ↗ discussion I guess i' I guess like to

1:28:59 ↗ point out and terms of the different

1:29:01 ↗ aspects of it the blank wall I think

1:29:04 ↗ they've done an adequate job of

1:29:06 ↗ addressing the blank wall issues the

1:29:08 ↗ main questions we

1:29:12 ↗ have if there's no further

1:29:15 ↗ discussion all those in favor of

1:29:18 ↗ approving the motion as presented

1:29:19 ↗ signify by saying I I was opposed name

1:29:23 ↗ motion carries

1:29:26 ↗ unanimously there

1:29:28 ↗ is Mr chair I move that the development

1:29:32 ↗ commission direct the development

1:29:33 ↗ services department to revise the

1:29:34 ↗ February 19th 2015 findings of fact and

1:29:38 ↗ conclusions which affirm the development

1:29:40 ↗ commission's decision to recommend to

1:29:42 ↗ the city council approval of the S of

1:29:45 ↗ the master site plan and site

1:29:47 ↗ development permit for isqua Middle

1:29:48 ↗ School file numbers MSP p 14-

1:29:54 ↗ 00002 and sdp1 14-

1:29:59 ↗ 000000001 the staff report dated

1:30:01 ↗ February 18th

1:30:02 ↗ 2015 and this briefing memo dated April

1:30:05 ↗ 29th uh 2015 will serve as the findings

1:30:09 ↗ of fact I second moved and seconded is

1:30:12 ↗ there any further

1:30:15 ↗ discussion if not all those in favor of

1:30:18 ↗ this motion signify by saying I I

1:30:22 ↗ opposed motion

1:30:24 ↗ carries uh is there any new business

1:30:27 ↗ that any Commissioners wish to bring up

1:30:31 ↗ staff if not

1:30:33 ↗ the May 8th 6th pardon me meeting of the

1:30:37 ↗ isquad development commission is

1:30:50 ↗ adjourned

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