Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, March 22, 2018 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

Planning Policy Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Trish Heinonen, Planning Manager policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides Email guidance and direction for Issaquah’s future growth through continued review and improvement to the Regular Members City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related 2018 – Joy Lewis land use documents. 2018 – Jon Stob 2018 – Carl Swedberg Membership 2018 – Lindsey Walsh The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2019 – Joan Probala seven regular members, with four-year terms; and 2020 – Ron Faul several alternates, with two-year terms. All 2020 – Troy Rahmig members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire Alternate Members April 30 of the year listed. For more information, 2018 – AJ McGauley see IMC 18.03. 2018 – Vacant 2018 – Vacant 2018 – Vacant

3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of February 22, 2018

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION MINUTES

Minutes of February 28, 2018

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Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Feb 8, 2018 Planning Policy Commission · Feb 15, 2018

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING—MINUTES

Minutes of March 8, 2018

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Previously discussed: Park Board · Feb 8, 2018

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH JOINT MEETING: PARK BOARD and PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION MINUTES

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Discussion: Central Issaquah District Visions and Green Necklace, (R)

Keith Niven, Development Services Director Trish Heinonen, Planning Policy Manager

Topics: Land Use

PUBLIC HEARING: Proposed Amendments to Central Issaquah Development and Design Standards Chapter 4.0, Zoning Districts, Uses and Standards Summary, Regarding Hotels and Storage Units, (R)

Keith Niven, Development Services Director

Topics: Land Use

PUBLIC HEARING: Proposed Amendments to Issaquah Municipal Code Regarding Accessory Dwelling Units, (R)

Christen Leeson, Senior Planner · packet pp.19–62

Topics: Housing

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0:15 ↗ good evening hello and welcome to the

0:20 ↗ March 22nd meeting of the Planning

0:22 ↗ Policy Commission tonight we're going to

0:25 ↗ have a short discussion on the vision

0:29 ↗ that we created and then we're going to

0:32 ↗ have two public hearings one on the

0:35 ↗ development and design standards and the

0:39 ↗ Issaquah municipal code regarding

0:43 ↗ excessive re ad use but before we do

0:48 ↗ that we have a guest in our midst

0:51 ↗ tonight a very important guest who has

0:54 ↗ added no it's not who has asked you make

1:00 ↗ a few statements in front of us today

1:02 ↗ and I really think it's kind of I don't

1:06 ↗ want to use the word strange but I will

1:08 ↗ this madam mayor is welcome at any time

1:12 ↗ we're excited and honored to have you

1:16 ↗ here tonight and we look forward to

1:18 ↗ anything any directions that you may

1:21 ↗ give us to help us on our journey to

1:23 ↗ make the city better

1:25 ↗ so madam mayor thank you madam chair

1:28 ↗ that was very nice and thank you for

1:30 ↗ letting me sit in your chair anytime

1:34 ↗ it's a little unconventional

1:36 ↗ I agree but 2017 and beginning a 2018

1:42 ↗ are a little unconventional to my main

1:45 ↗ purpose for coming tonight was to

1:47 ↗ recognize the fact that the work of this

1:49 ↗ commission last year was very different

1:51 ↗ for many years since I have lived in the

1:53 ↗ city you had an enormous number of

1:56 ↗ meetings you had you tried to challenge

1:58 ↗ council to have the longest meetings you

2:02 ↗ had meetings that felt like you were

2:04 ↗ doing your normal work of making

2:05 ↗ recommendation and others where you had

2:07 ↗ Joint Commission meetings which I

2:09 ↗ thought were fabulous when I watched

2:11 ↗ them I thought the conversations that

2:12 ↗ you had as you crossed over from one

2:14 ↗ community to another was great we have

2:16 ↗ different expertise on all different

2:18 ↗ commissions you also had what I would

2:20 ↗ call work session style meetings where

2:23 ↗ you had the public at the table with you

2:25 ↗ where you had member

2:26 ↗ from former tasks forces with you kind

2:29 ↗ of taking a look back at why we set

2:31 ↗ something up the way we did years ago

2:33 ↗ and is it still relevant now and so it

2:36 ↗ was just an amazing amount of work and

2:39 ↗ an amazing amount of quality work to

2:41 ↗ watch I wanted to let you know as mayor

2:44 ↗ I'm really excited about the product

2:46 ↗ that you guys have been sending out from

2:49 ↗ this commission and sending on to the

2:52 ↗ council committee for a review so I

2:55 ↗ thought I would come and share it with

2:56 ↗ you but it wasn't really it was really a

2:59 ↗ strange year last year so thank you all

3:01 ↗ and for those that aren't here tonight

3:02 ↗ thank you very much for your work I also

3:06 ↗ wanted to let you know that in watching

3:09 ↗ all those meetings something popped in

3:11 ↗ my mind that you had different kinds of

3:16 ↗ meetings had different feelings in terms

3:18 ↗ of engagement and involvement and that

3:20 ↗ there is nothing hard and fast that you

3:22 ↗ must sit at the Dyess to have your

3:24 ↗ meetings if you prefer to do it

3:26 ↗ committee style like council committee

3:28 ↗ does you can if you prefer to do it work

3:30 ↗ session style it would be great for you

3:33 ↗ to decide as a group what you feel is

3:35 ↗ the best set up for your meetings so

3:37 ↗ we've all we sat at the Dyess Jones

3:39 ↗ since I can remember you know years and

3:41 ↗ decades and decades long but I really

3:44 ↗ felt like you got to a really

3:45 ↗ interesting level of engagement when you

3:47 ↗ were sitting in a different format and

3:49 ↗ that's not for me to dictate I just want

3:51 ↗ to let you know that you have options to

3:52 ↗ do that how you set up the room I also

3:56 ↗ wanted to thank you for your thoughtful

3:58 ↗ deliberations there were many different

4:01 ↗ opinions we're not looking for consensus

4:03 ↗ from our Commission's we're looking for

4:04 ↗ thoughtful deliberations so that

4:06 ↗ everybody is getting all of their

4:08 ↗ questions answered before you go into a

4:10 ↗ discussion and we don't expect you to

4:12 ↗ vote unanimously on issues we appreciate

4:15 ↗ the fact that you come into this with

4:16 ↗ different skill sets different expertise

4:19 ↗ different job experiences and that

4:21 ↗ you're having these productive

4:23 ↗ conversations want to make sure that

4:27 ↗ even when we're bringing you something

4:28 ↗ complicated you are comfortable to keep

4:31 ↗ asking questions until you have the

4:34 ↗ answers you need to make a decision

4:36 ↗ we're sort of the translators the staff

4:39 ↗ council and anybody else you work at the

4:42 ↗ translators between what is in code

4:43 ↗ which is not part of what you normally

4:45 ↗ do for your work and the policy question

4:48 ↗ we're asking you to answer or help us on

4:50 ↗ and so if we're not giving you the

4:53 ↗ proper translation if it's still

4:54 ↗ confusing please keep asking your

4:56 ↗ questions it's how it's when you guys

4:58 ↗ have your best deliberations is when

5:00 ↗ you've gotten all of your questions

5:02 ↗ answered so please push on us

5:03 ↗ the reason it's so important to me as a

5:05 ↗ mayor is that the work you do here is

5:08 ↗ just not in isolation it doesn't end

5:10 ↗ here you recommend to council into

5:12 ↗ council committees how we should move on

5:14 ↗ policy you directly inform the decisions

5:18 ↗ that we're about to make and you are the

5:20 ↗ ones that hold the public hearing we

5:22 ↗ don't necessarily hold a public hearing

5:24 ↗ for many of the things that you send our

5:26 ↗ way this is the place where the public

5:27 ↗ has the best opportunity to help you

5:30 ↗ consider and shape the policy that's

5:32 ↗ being recommended to councils so your

5:34 ↗ work is hugely important and if I will

5:37 ↗ take a step back and say something we

5:39 ↗ haven't always done well that I hope to

5:40 ↗ do better is we haven't closed the loop

5:42 ↗ with you when your work moves on to

5:44 ↗ committee and council we don't always

5:46 ↗ take everything that's recommended in

5:49 ↗ this committee and adopt it sometimes

5:51 ↗ for different reasons or because we've

5:53 ↗ asked for more information we either

5:55 ↗ change what you say we reject it and

5:58 ↗ send it back or we accept it

6:09 ↗ councilmember batise sorry about that

6:12 ↗ so I want you to know that one of the

6:14 ↗ things I want to work on this year with

6:15 ↗ all of our committees and commissions is

6:17 ↗ that when we take your body of

6:19 ↗ thoughtful work and your recommendations

6:21 ↗ back to committee and back to Council

6:24 ↗ and we change your go in a different

6:26 ↗ direction we owe you that explanation

6:28 ↗ back at your committee meetings here are

6:31 ↗ Commission meetings here you should be

6:32 ↗ hearing hey they didn't adopt zoning for

6:36 ↗ light rail throughout the town I mean I

6:38 ↗ heard that on camera and I'm like oh man

6:41 ↗ our bad sorry so when your stuff comes

6:44 ↗ up and you spent all this time thinking

6:46 ↗ about it we owe you a close the loop

6:49 ↗ explanation

6:50 ↗ hey the council chose to take this path

6:53 ↗ and for these reasons it will help you

6:55 ↗ do your work better as these things come

6:57 ↗ through and so that's something that

6:59 ↗ we're trying to change and that's my big

7:02 ↗ reason for coming tonight - thank you

7:04 ↗ for the amazing body of work you did

7:06 ↗ last year for the I was gonna say

7:08 ↗ quadruple time but it's probably more

7:10 ↗ than quadruple time if we add all the

7:12 ↗ hours I don't think the public realizes

7:14 ↗ that you aren't paid and that you are

7:17 ↗ all here because you're interested

7:18 ↗ citizens and I'm positive they have no

7:21 ↗ idea how many hours you put in last year

7:23 ↗ so on behalf of the council and the

7:25 ↗ administration I just want to say thank

7:27 ↗ you very much we're very proud of the

7:29 ↗ work you do and we're looking forward to

7:31 ↗ getting through this last heard last big

7:33 ↗ heap of moratorium items and others and

7:36 ↗ have a great year thanks for letting me

7:39 ↗ come no I must go on and say thank you

7:46 ↗ thank you madam there or I've been on

7:51 ↗ this on this committee for a long time

7:53 ↗ and this is the first time that a mayor

7:56 ↗ or even a city council person I think

7:59 ↗ has come to a Stacey King and I think

8:06 ↗ we're all honored and we've all enjoyed

8:09 ↗ the experience that we the city actually

8:12 ↗ has given us to be part of this

8:15 ↗ commission so thank you again and please

8:18 ↗ do come back any time that you feel that

8:22 ↗ we need support or guidance or just to

8:27 ↗ say hello so thank you very much

8:35 ↗ does that not make you feel good I also

8:40 ↗ would like to thank all of the members

8:44 ↗ of the community and the task force that

8:46 ↗ put so much time and effort into it so

8:49 ↗ all of you deserve the same recognition

8:51 ↗ thank you I know that a couple of you

8:54 ↗ are here tonight thank you again for

8:59 ↗ your support and your input and I think

9:02 ↗ we created a really good vision and I

9:07 ↗ hope that the council if not accepting

9:12 ↗ it to even improve it make it better so

9:14 ↗ with that we're gonna get back to our

9:17 ↗ normal process and so we have three

9:20 ↗ things that we have to approve so I need

9:25 ↗ a motion to approve the minutes of the

9:29 ↗ February 22nd meeting of the Commission

9:33 ↗ I'd like to make a motion to approve the

9:36 ↗ minutes of the February 22nd to 2018

9:39 ↗ meeting second all those in favor say

9:42 ↗ aye aye opposed I need a motion to

9:47 ↗ accept the minutes of the February 28th

9:49 ↗ meeting so moved

9:51 ↗ what second okay all those in favor say

9:55 ↗ aye aye and the last one for March the

10:01 ↗ 8th I moved to approve minutes from

10:03 ↗ March 8 2018 second all those in favor

10:08 ↗ say aye thank you now we're going to ask

10:13 ↗ Keith our illustrious leader to lead us

10:17 ↗ in a short discussion just to verify the

10:21 ↗ changes that we've made to the vision I

10:23 ↗ assume that all of you have read it and

10:26 ↗ are comfortable with what we've created

10:29 ↗ so Keith you're on thank you madam chair

10:33 ↗ so what would PPC be without discussing

10:36 ↗ centralization sorry all right so this

10:41 ↗ evening

10:43 ↗ you guys have received

10:45 ↗ what I heard in terms of final edits

10:50 ↗ kind of we went through this we talked

10:52 ↗ about some changes we talked about the

10:56 ↗ introduction to each neighborhood and

11:00 ↗ having kind of a some more narrative

11:04 ↗ before we get into the list received a

11:09 ↗ late but timely suggested edit from Ron

11:14 ↗ on in terms of the main vision statement

11:20 ↗ to make it actually read like English

11:22 ↗ instead of whatever it was had a couple

11:23 ↗ extra words in it so all of that is here

11:26 ↗ and so I don't necessarily want to go

11:29 ↗ through this unless you guys notice

11:33 ↗ something that you would expected to be

11:35 ↗ in so the other thing that was kind of a

11:38 ↗ missing gap was the green necklace so

11:41 ↗ this language over here you're seeing

11:43 ↗ for the few soft for the first time this

11:46 ↗ is the document Trish and I talked about

11:49 ↗ maybe the one thing that might make

11:50 ↗ sense

11:50 ↗ under this figure because this figures

11:53 ↗ got numbers in it and there's no legend

11:57 ↗ to maybe put a note underneath it that

12:00 ↗ says you know for details see the parks

12:04 ↗ strategic plan so that at least would

12:06 ↗ send you to a place that would then

12:08 ↗ unpack this document which is hopefully

12:13 ↗ at some point going to be adopted like

12:16 ↗ this and ultimately if it doesn't get

12:18 ↗ adopted like this then we'd have to come

12:20 ↗ back in and change this figure out for

12:22 ↗ whatever the council adopts at the end

12:24 ↗ of the day so so we're not gonna have

12:27 ↗ the number one means this number two

12:29 ↗ means that in the plan so the problem is

12:32 ↗ when you duplicate stuff like that then

12:34 ↗ if you change it then you go change it

12:37 ↗ in two places

12:37 ↗ so my preference is not to do something

12:39 ↗ like that but to say you know if you

12:41 ↗ want details go here because then as the

12:45 ↗ park plan becomes a more fluid document

12:48 ↗ if it is and I don't know you just

12:50 ↗ change things there you don't have to go

12:51 ↗ back in and change the CIP plan document

12:55 ↗ I recommend you at least in

12:58 ↗ the legend I don't know if there's

13:01 ↗ enough white space there it turns out

13:03 ↗ with like the lines and whatnot mean I

13:04 ↗ can get away not wanting the number okay

13:07 ↗ because that's the numbers those little

13:10 ↗ circles that's yep six pages of snow on

13:12 ↗ those might change the probably the

13:14 ↗ magenta arrow will not change I mean

13:17 ↗ it'll still be the location might change

13:19 ↗ but the magenta arrow will be the

13:22 ↗ magenta arrow just amounts to sound

13:24 ↗ trail so I can do that I think that's a

13:27 ↗ good suggestion I would I would agree

13:30 ↗ with that as well and I had made a

13:31 ↗ suggestion for parks last week that I

13:33 ↗ see didn't get it adopted sold bring it

13:35 ↗ up again which is that 1a and 1b I think

13:37 ↗ when they're small in that format it

13:38 ↗ looks confusing when they're a lowercase

13:40 ↗ and just upper casing the a and B I

13:42 ↗ think makes it a little easier for

13:43 ↗ people to read and did you give that he

13:47 ↗ wasn't adopted so just bring I just

13:48 ↗ mention it again I think it's just a

13:49 ↗ easier thing for people to see okay I'll

13:53 ↗ look to Trish to maybe remind Jennifer

13:57 ↗ Fink that that was a suggestion to maybe

13:59 ↗ help legibility Trish is ignoring me

14:05 ↗ [Laughter]

14:12 ↗ any other comments questions thoughts

14:16 ↗ you can see the maps got changed so for

14:19 ↗ example now the two Gilman tale is there

14:23 ↗ hopefully it gets a different name over

14:26 ↗ time I would suggest on that page

14:28 ↗ changing the colors because it it I

14:32 ↗ because the purple goes through I can't

14:36 ↗ quite tell that the stuff to the right

14:37 ↗ is in the Gilman neighborhood so I would

14:40 ↗ expect to see different colored so you

14:43 ↗ want the rgc to be different each of the

14:47 ↗ neighborhood's to be in shading or okay

14:52 ↗ so that so that like the Gilman outline

14:55 ↗ could be a different color than the

14:57 ↗ Pickering outline or shading on it

14:59 ↗ either way okay Anna did you did you

15:03 ↗ hear that Kristin I did awesome

15:05 ↗ and the the area underneath East Lake in

15:11 ↗ yeah this the Gilman tale yeah so we

15:15 ↗ probably really want to put some sort of

15:17 ↗ identifier to show where that is

15:20 ↗ actually a group that's part what do you

15:22 ↗ want to just repeat Gilman I mean you've

15:24 ↗ got Gilman as a label you can Weiss but

15:27 ↗ Lindsay's comments so for example if

15:29 ↗ Gilman now is a green outline you know

15:32 ↗ and then Pickering is an orange outline

15:34 ↗ what you have then here is you'll have

15:36 ↗ two lines but it'll be clear that this

15:39 ↗ down here is green which becomes Gilman

15:42 ↗ if that's what color Gilman is yeah so I

15:45 ↗ think I think it's gonna I think it's

15:47 ↗ gonna thick work itself out yeah because

15:50 ↗ I agree I mean for me the reason why the

15:53 ↗ tail looks severed is because actually

15:55 ↗ of the rgc line that's the point there's

16:03 ↗ so much there's so much material to work

16:05 ↗ with here sorry we've had a long day

16:11 ↗ so and then you know as you can see once

16:16 ↗ we get down to the neighborhoods you

16:18 ↗ know each of the neighborhoods then got

16:21 ↗ kind of a quite a bit of new language in

16:25 ↗ before we then went to the the lists so

16:30 ↗ it's a little bit of both thank you yes

16:32 ↗ you're welcome

16:33 ↗ so on the neighborhood's I have three

16:37 ↗ comments okay come one I would move the

16:39 ↗ map up to the beginning of it some

16:42 ↗ portion maybe between today in the

16:44 ↗ future or something I think it's hard to

16:47 ↗ read it without seeing the map mm-hmm

16:49 ↗ secondarily if you're going to color the

16:52 ↗ original map I would continue those

16:54 ↗ colors into the map that you're showing

16:58 ↗ for each neighborhood and third the

17:00 ↗ original version of this had images that

17:05 ↗ were like example images the original

17:09 ↗ CIP yes that had images for each of the

17:14 ↗ neighborhoods and I understand that

17:15 ↗ you've got images up in the plan

17:17 ↗ objectives yes

17:19 ↗ when you say images do you mean photos

17:22 ↗ or do you mean

17:23 ↗ so knows that are examples of what this

17:27 ↗ area is going to feel you would like

17:28 ↗ some photos in each neighborhood just to

17:31 ↗ provide some visual description and some

17:35 ↗ interest yes and I believe I've

17:37 ↗ mentioned that multiple times and I'm

17:40 ↗ sure we've ignored it multiple times

17:42 ↗ absolutely coming later and now that

17:47 ↗ we're at vinyl I'm like is this later

17:50 ↗ these are not the photos you want no no

17:56 ↗ it would be more like so like yeah no I

18:02 ↗ really want something because the goal

18:06 ↗ of these having neighborhoods is to

18:08 ↗ distinguish each of them and to be able

18:10 ↗ to show okay West Newport has a

18:13 ↗ different feel they on the other areas

18:15 ↗ and so I agree with that I think it'll

18:18 ↗ help it read as like you open to that

18:21 ↗ neighborhood page and you kind of feel

18:22 ↗ it for people that are visual thinkers

18:25 ↗ you'll get that feeling of what that

18:27 ↗ neighborhood is like rather than just

18:28 ↗ the words on the page personally I would

18:30 ↗ put the today section the map and then a

18:33 ↗ horizontal set of images right before

18:36 ↗ the future because that delineates hey

18:38 ↗ this is what the future looks like and

18:41 ↗ the description okay yeah okay got it

18:47 ↗ okay any any other things AJ and I can I

18:57 ↗ wordsmith one line on the green necklace

18:59 ↗ if you need to so on the the part where

19:03 ↗ we run with the jewels and strands

19:05 ↗ metaphor which I was really keen on it's

19:09 ↗ better than running with scissors it's

19:10 ↗ true so the last thing is the first

19:12 ↗ paragraph yes the way I thought of it

19:16 ↗ just cuz I think this is such a good

19:17 ↗ metaphor I wanted to be clear

19:20 ↗ instead of saying space get green spaces

19:22 ↗ gathering spaces and trails or the

19:24 ↗ jewels and strands to rearrange it to

19:26 ↗ make clear what our jewels and what our

19:28 ↗ strands okay so I think it would be

19:30 ↗ inviting green spaces and urban social

19:31 ↗ gathering spaces are the jewels on the

19:34 ↗ necklace come

19:36 ↗ network of connected trails are the

19:38 ↗ strands of the necklace just kind of

19:41 ↗ rearranging it so yep

19:44 ↗ fantastic agreed

19:52 ↗ and then I'll just comment I I missed

19:54 ↗ this meeting and that this looks really

19:56 ↗ good yeah it's awesome

19:58 ↗ yeah Ron put me down but I'm okay with

20:02 ↗ that it was it's fine to say this is

20:07 ↗ good what's like it's way better than

20:08 ↗ that other map we had no I know I'm just

20:14 ↗ I'm kidding all right any other comments

20:17 ↗ or are we good because you guys have

20:19 ↗ already pretty much said yes send this

20:21 ↗ forward they will update this and we

20:26 ↗ will attach it to the agenda bill which

20:28 ↗ because even though Landon Shores

20:30 ↗ already had a conversation they have not

20:31 ↗ had an agenda bill so we'll make these

20:33 ↗ edits we'll attach this version to the

20:35 ↗ agenda bill that goes to Landon Shore so

20:40 ↗ it's yeah it's gonna be the 19th of

20:42 ↗ April you are all welcome to attend that

20:46 ↗ meeting if you would like so once you

20:49 ↗ get the pictures changed in the few

20:52 ↗ little edits could you send out that

20:54 ↗ final perfect vision to all of us

20:57 ↗ absolutely the question that I don't

21:00 ↗ know so we might have to put it in a

21:01 ↗ Dropbox Kristen because I don't know how

21:04 ↗ big it's going to be so okay as long as

21:10 ↗ we can get it to you guys and so the

21:11 ↗ other thing is is is you can see it

21:16 ↗ electronically but if you want a hard

21:18 ↗ copy with colored pictures and stuff

21:20 ↗ we're more than happy to print it out

21:21 ↗ just let us know okay I'm gonna my

21:25 ↗ time's up

21:26 ↗ I'm gonna thank you for your many hours

21:30 ↗ with us are we going to have a

21:36 ↗ presentation on the proposed amendments

21:43 ↗ are we ten minutes in a schedule yeah

21:45 ↗ we're ahead we're going to do if we

21:50 ↗ don't get out of here by

21:52 ↗ I have my all night plans sitting here

21:55 ↗ till 11:00 now this should be fairly

22:02 ↗ straightforward as we used to say you've

22:09 ↗ already seen these amendments we showed

22:11 ↗ them to you to sort of get an idea of

22:13 ↗ what you were thinking at our last work

22:16 ↗ session on the green necklace so this is

22:19 ↗ the proposal to limit new hotels motels

22:22 ↗ timeshare lodging conference centers and

22:25 ↗ completely enclosed storage units from

22:28 ↗ central Issaquah only so why why would

22:33 ↗ we want to do that

22:34 ↗ well we currently have five hotel motels

22:37 ↗ in the city limits we currently have six

22:40 ↗ completely enclosed storage unit uses in

22:44 ↗ the city limits and given what we want

22:46 ↗ to accomplish in central Issaquah being

22:48 ↗ all the density the housing all the new

22:51 ↗ growth in the next twenty to thirty

22:53 ↗ years we thought these uses might not be

22:57 ↗ super appropriate everywhere but just

23:00 ↗ limit them in a few places in central

23:03 ↗ Issaquah now again that we are not

23:05 ↗ changing how permitted they are in the

23:07 ↗ rest of the city

23:08 ↗ and I put those maps and the charts in

23:10 ↗ your packet to show that we're not

23:12 ↗ changing anything but proposing to

23:14 ↗ change in central and you have a just a

23:16 ↗ question you just can't hold on to this

23:19 ↗ might might be a dumb question Trish why

23:21 ↗ why is the emphasis on completely

23:22 ↗ enclosed because orange if you look in

23:26 ↗ the zoning code that's how they are

23:28 ↗ explained so I didn't I wanted to be

23:31 ↗ full disclosure that's what we're

23:33 ↗ limiting so non enclosed self storage

23:36 ↗ was already not permitted so that's just

23:38 ↗ - cope

23:39 ↗ I would I would guess that is correct

23:42 ↗ okay thank you so jumping back I think I

23:48 ↗ got everything therefore why if anyone

23:50 ↗ was curious as to why this is a great

23:52 ↗ map of the current storage units are in

23:55 ↗ bright blue and the current hotels and

23:58 ↗ motels are in bright green beautiful

24:02 ↗ beautiful and the zoning if you needed

24:04 ↗ to

24:05 ↗ by the zoning but we have a beautiful

24:06 ↗ collection of each and this is the

24:10 ↗ existing zoning permitted land uses in

24:12 ↗ again in central and we're taking it

24:15 ↗ from we'll start with hotels we're

24:18 ↗ taking we're proposing to take it out of

24:20 ↗ village residential out of mix juice out

24:24 ↗ of destination retail and out of

24:27 ↗ intensive commercial and leave it only

24:29 ↗ in the urban core which is the zone that

24:32 ↗ has the Pickering neighborhood which you

24:35 ↗ know where that is and the gilt most of

24:37 ↗ the Gilman neighborhood where you know

24:38 ↗ that is with the footnote you can read

24:41 ↗ it 25 is the Pickering sorry I misspoke

24:46 ↗ the Pickering neighborhood omelet which

24:47 ↗ would be north of the freeway in the

24:49 ↗ urban core zone and for storage any

24:53 ↗ questions on the hotel part okay AJ oh

24:56 ↗ go ahead so the storage is permitted oh

25:00 ↗ we're not there yet we're only doing

25:02 ↗ hotels first sorry so where's the

25:05 ↗ asterisks or the note

25:07 ↗ six and this is also in your packet this

25:15 ↗ exact chart I'm sorry I was looking at

25:20 ↗ the top and at the bottom I was doing

25:21 ↗ okay and this exact chart is on page

25:24 ↗ with two sets I love this it's either

25:27 ↗ page 29 of 44 or 47 of 62 depending on

25:31 ↗ which page numbers you go by we're gonna

25:33 ↗ have to fix that in our future life just

25:39 ↗ to be clear we are only discussing

25:42 ↗ allowing hotels to be in the Pickering

25:45 ↗ neighborhood only in central Issaquah

25:50 ↗ yes the only change for hotels and

25:53 ↗ motels any other change questions about

25:55 ↗ hotels before you're saying we're only

25:58 ↗ talking about that in central Issaquah

25:59 ↗ are any of the urban villages oh I guess

26:04 ↗ what's village residential that's not

26:06 ↗ open village village residential I

26:08 ↗ believe is over I was his word gateway

26:11 ↗ okay so

26:14 ↗ this would not change anything on urban

26:17 ↗ villages or areas out it's their great

26:19 ↗ Christ enjoy well right now for storage

26:21 ↗ units self storage completely enclosed

26:24 ↗ we are taking proposing to take them out

26:27 ↗ of mix juice out of village residential

26:30 ↗ out of urban core out of destination

26:33 ↗ retail and out of intensive commercial

26:35 ↗ and we have a footnote for those in

26:37 ↗ mixed juice that say parcels fronting

26:39 ↗ East Lake Sammamish Parkway south east

26:42 ↗ or 220 first place south east only so

26:45 ↗ we're trying again to locate those as

26:47 ↗ well in a location that seems to make

26:50 ↗ more land use sense

26:52 ↗ there any questions on that one sorry

26:54 ↗ attrition I couldn't hear what you said

26:56 ↗ I was explaining where we were proposing

27:00 ↗ to take them all out of this which

27:03 ↗ zoning districts were taking them out of

27:05 ↗ okay the the places with the little

27:09 ↗ crosses on it

27:11 ↗ so these charts are for the rest of the

27:16 ↗ city except for their urban villages

27:19 ↗ because those haven't quite and again

27:22 ↗ this isn't your packet if you can't read

27:23 ↗ this chart this is on the next page I

27:25 ↗ believe in your packet that just to

27:30 ↗ confirm that we aren't they are that

27:32 ↗ hotels and storage units and motels are

27:35 ↗ existing lis permitted in other zones in

27:37 ↗ the city several other zones in the city

27:40 ↗ and that we are not changing those at

27:41 ↗ all so I wanted to make you all

27:44 ↗ comfortable that we're this is only a

27:46 ↗ small localized change proposed the

27:50 ↗ prior page doesn't refer to bed and

27:52 ↗ breakfast and s house are those not

27:56 ↗ currently permitted in Issaquah I think

28:01 ↗ we're just not dealing with them at this

28:03 ↗ time okay so that's not being touched

28:05 ↗ okay right are those currently

28:07 ↗ permitting them I would guess so I

28:09 ↗ wouldn't know it zones off the top of my

28:10 ↗ head so that will still okay so and so

28:13 ↗ in some places like confluence you could

28:15 ↗ still have a B&B and usually be able to

28:16 ↗ hotel okay I would guess yes so any

28:20 ↗ other questions on

28:27 ↗ oh because they're so they can't write

28:33 ↗ any let's say you're a hotel that's now

28:35 ↗ not in one of these zones where you used

28:38 ↗ to be permitted and now you're not and

28:40 ↗ you want to put on an addition you'd

28:42 ↗ have to go through a different process

28:44 ↗ for increasing a nonconformity and it's

28:47 ↗ a little bit of a different process

28:49 ↗ depending on what you're asking for it's

28:52 ↗ not impossible to add onto a

28:54 ↗ non-conforming use but it's a it's

28:56 ↗ definitely harder than if you're

28:58 ↗ completely permitted when you put your

29:01 ↗ addition on or you make a change or

29:02 ↗ something however something like if I

29:05 ↗ believe it not being a current planner

29:07 ↗ but if some disaster happens which of

29:09 ↗ course we hope would not happen you are

29:11 ↗ able to rebuild I think it's a little

29:13 ↗ more generous on rebuilding and

29:15 ↗ non-conforming use so that we don't

29:17 ↗ penalize you for that other questions on

29:21 ↗ this one if you're comfortable moving

29:28 ↗ this one forward this is yes I was just

29:32 ↗ letting them know sort of what comes

29:33 ↗ next it would go to in April yeah I'm a

29:42 ↗ little nervous

29:42 ↗ and then council would take action then

29:45 ↗ in May if just to let you know sort of

29:47 ↗ that you don't this isn't one of those

29:49 ↗ that you get to that we would want you

29:51 ↗ to look at for eight meetings you know

29:53 ↗ this was this isn't intended to do that

29:55 ↗ so now if there's anybody that would

29:58 ↗ wish to speak I got one more question

30:01 ↗ the storage units on the rally

30:03 ↗ properties that are on Wall Street are I

30:07 ↗ assumed those wouldn't be included in

30:09 ↗ this because there's a development

30:11 ↗ agreement right okay is this impact what

30:16 ↗ rally can and cannot build because the

30:18 ↗ development agreement no because they

30:20 ↗ already have a development agreement in

30:25 ↗ 25 more years yeah

30:28 ↗ okay I'm sure we will still be here okay

30:35 ↗ with that I'm going to open up the

30:37 ↗ public hearing if anybody is out there

30:40 ↗ that would like to make any comments on

30:43 ↗ what Trish just reported on please come

30:46 ↗ to the Eric bet to do the whole thing

31:01 ↗ with the name address and all that all

31:03 ↗ right Derek doke

31:05 ↗ I live at to 3/8 to 46th away southeast

31:08 ↗ Sammamish Washington and I'm a property

31:11 ↗ owner in Issaquah commercial properties

31:12 ↗ and a past member of the neck no

31:15 ↗ vitality Commission here so what I'm

31:19 ↗ here to talk about is trying to

31:21 ↗ understand the changes in the zoning as

31:23 ↗ relates to self storage I own property

31:27 ↗ over in the West Newport neighborhood

31:30 ↗ and actually two properties one's being

31:32 ↗ developed right now is Riva townhomes is

31:35 ↗ our property 36 townhomes going in and I

31:37 ↗ own property next to the gateway where

31:39 ↗ you have 400 apartments and 140 43

31:43 ↗ Senior Living facilities and then I've

31:45 ↗ got property right next to that which

31:47 ↗ has been under review and development

31:50 ↗ internally in our office for a enclosed

31:52 ↗ climate-controlled self-storage to fill

31:54 ↗ the demand in need of a community my

31:58 ↗ concern with this is we had a heavy

31:59 ↗ concentration on the north side of the

32:03 ↗ freeway and the neighborhoods on this

32:05 ↗ side aren't going to get the development

32:07 ↗ and have access to storages up going

32:10 ↗ through town or go down to Gilman or go

32:12 ↗ across the freeway and try and store or

32:14 ↗ they go into factorio which is what they

32:16 ↗ currently do because we have the highest

32:18 ↗ rates of cell storage per square foot

32:20 ↗ the reason why we're not building

32:23 ↗ apartments anymore right now in the area

32:25 ↗ we can make more per square foot doing

32:27 ↗ self storage you got its a clause the

32:30 ↗ highest rates and by limiting the use

32:32 ↗ here you're going to just put a monopoly

32:34 ↗ on the current self storage and the

32:37 ↗ rates will go higher so it doesn't help

32:38 ↗ the consumers at the end of the day what

32:41 ↗ I love about working

32:42 ↗ with this a quad in the city which I

32:43 ↗ have in the past is you guys definitely

32:44 ↗ put all residents first not just the

32:48 ↗ ones that come and talk and not just the

32:50 ↗ ones that write a big check so that I

32:53 ↗ thank you for and that's why I like

32:54 ↗ working with Keith and his team but this

32:58 ↗ is this one was one where I'm looking at

32:59 ↗ a supply and demand issue and right now

33:02 ↗ currently within our area where our

33:05 ↗ property is it's 5.55 square feet of

33:08 ↗ storage Abul space available and the

33:11 ↗ demand is 8.2 to 8.3 person current

33:16 ↗ market conditions so you add a bunch of

33:18 ↗ smaller apartments a bunch of smaller

33:20 ↗ residences what we've found in other

33:22 ↗ communities where people store things on

33:24 ↗ her balcony people store things outside

33:25 ↗ people rent those little storage boxes

33:28 ↗ and they put them on the property to get

33:29 ↗ the landlord approval because they want

33:30 ↗ the rental rate so there's other things

33:33 ↗ that can happen with that

33:34 ↗ and when Raleigh pulls their stuff

33:36 ↗ sorted out that's going to be less of a

33:38 ↗ amount of self storage I whole heart a

33:42 ↗ believe that self storage has a place I

33:44 ↗ truly believe that and a look and new

33:47 ↗ self storage facilities now look a lot

33:49 ↗ more like apartment buildings yeah you

33:53 ↗ know the one we're planning on called

33:54 ↗ the Gateway storage which would be at

33:56 ↗ the end of the Gateway neighborhood is

33:58 ↗ more developed like a lodge type of look

34:02 ↗ it has a earth-toned things like that to

34:04 ↗ go with the community so taking my

34:07 ↗ property out of it and just looking at

34:08 ↗ it the the the comments from my side is

34:11 ↗ making it an amenity for the community

34:13 ↗ we're heavy in tents on north side

34:15 ↗ getting across the freeway is already

34:17 ↗ difficult as it is now get people trying

34:19 ↗ to get storage in and out and we're

34:20 ↗ gonna have a more of a supply need in

34:23 ↗ the next five to seven years and we

34:24 ↗ currently have we already have a high

34:25 ↗ demand for storage in the area so thanks

34:28 ↗ for the time I appreciate it anybody

34:33 ↗ else would like to make a comment I will

34:38 ↗ Mel Morgan from the Development

34:40 ↗ Commission the I guess I'm this is a

34:43 ↗ real head-scratcher to me on the hotel

34:45 ↗ one I don't think I've ever seen the

34:49 ↗ city try to limit hotel development

34:51 ↗ within a downtown core to such a small

34:54 ↗ area

34:55 ↗ because the way I see it as I understand

34:58 ↗ it's really only the Costco Pickering

35:00 ↗ area that we're going to be able to

35:02 ↗ build hotels in out of all of the 908

35:05 ↗ while we can do it in West Newport but

35:08 ↗ there's really not land for it there and

35:11 ↗ and I guess I just don't see the reason

35:13 ↗ why we wouldn't include say the mixed

35:15 ↗ use area if you go up East Lake

35:17 ↗ Sammamish and there's a lot of retail

35:18 ↗ and restaurant uses and hotels usually

35:21 ↗ want to be developed around nightlife

35:25 ↗ type things where there's restaurants

35:26 ↗ and so you stay in hotel you want to be

35:29 ↗ able to go out of the hotel and walk to

35:30 ↗ a restaurant something like that

35:32 ↗ I think the Costco area Pickering is

35:35 ↗ going to be mostly a corporate campus

35:37 ↗ and to say you can only build a hotel

35:40 ↗ right there I to me it just doesn't make

35:42 ↗ a lot of sense and thinking that this is

35:44 ↗ a long-term plan why we want to make

35:46 ↗ that kind of limitation on where we put

35:49 ↗ hotels so you know there may be other

35:51 ↗ reasons but I suggest you take a hard

35:54 ↗ look at why it shouldn't be in the mixed

35:56 ↗ use retail area thank you thank you but

36:02 ↗ anybody else like to speak

36:10 ↗ David Kepler 255 southeast Android

36:13 ↗ straight I'm I think if we're going to

36:16 ↗ limit these two uses all hotels in the

36:19 ↗ self storage we've got to have an awful

36:21 ↗ good reason for doing that and I don't

36:23 ↗ see it

36:25 ↗ I mean self storage can be pretty ugly

36:27 ↗ it made it like that if that's a concern

36:30 ↗ let's address that it's nice and that it

36:33 ↗ doesn't require a lot of parking it

36:35 ↗ doesn't require much traffic which is

36:37 ↗ why it can be put in certain places then

36:40 ↗ and there is one on the south side at a

36:45 ↗ new port there when that building first

36:47 ↗ went up it was a shock to me but I don't

36:50 ↗ even notice it when I go by anymore and

36:52 ↗ it's it was an attempt to make it look

36:54 ↗ like not so much like a storage building

36:56 ↗ and hotels let the market decide about

37:01 ↗ hotels is my phone thank you anybody

37:07 ↗ else would like to make a comment they

37:12 ↗ know up nobody else I will close the

37:15 ↗ public hearing at 7:09 and open it up to

37:23 ↗ you guys

37:24 ↗ do you have any further well first of

37:27 ↗ all does the city have any Keith do you

37:30 ↗ have any answers to the proposals that

37:38 ↗ or objections that came out so you know

37:44 ↗ if we want to spend a little bit time on

37:45 ↗ why we can do that so when we talked

37:55 ↗ about this a little bit as a pre

37:58 ↗ discussion last time I'm gonna start

38:01 ↗ with hotels let's just I mean I think we

38:03 ↗ need to take these one by one they're

38:04 ↗ really not connected they're really two

38:06 ↗ separate things even though they're both

38:08 ↗ potentially going to be talking about

38:10 ↗ limiting them in their location but I

38:12 ↗ think they're two very separate things

38:13 ↗ so hotels when we talked about this last

38:16 ↗ time you know there was a little bit of

38:19 ↗ a conversation that you guys started

38:22 ↗ about why just Pickering

38:24 ↗ you know if we're gonna limit it to the

38:25 ↗ core you know that's one choice and if

38:27 ↗ it is the core then why not Pickering

38:29 ↗ and Gilman okay so that's one choice

38:33 ↗ part of part of the conversation about

38:38 ↗ hotels is who's staying here right and

38:44 ↗ so we actually did ask the hotels if

38:49 ↗ they would give us a breakdown of their

38:52 ↗ leisure versus business days because

38:55 ↗ they actually keep track of that kind of

38:57 ↗ stuff and the interesting thing is so

39:03 ↗ Holiday Inn didn't play with us so they

39:06 ↗ didn't give us any information but for

39:09 ↗ the Marriott that's on on maple their

39:14 ↗ leisure stays versus business days is

39:18 ↗ 60/40 so 60% of our stays or leisure 40%

39:23 ↗ our business Hilton Garden Inn and

39:27 ↗ Homewood Suites which are in rally's

39:29 ↗ hila crossing area it's 80/20 business

39:35 ↗ to leisure now part of that is because

39:38 ↗ Costco has a corporate partnership with

39:41 ↗ Hilton and so and they have a lot of

39:46 ↗ their conference meetings at the Hilton

39:48 ↗ frankly so so there's some different

39:50 ↗ things going on here I think the reason

39:53 ↗ why this came forward too limited to

39:56 ↗ Pickering was a belief that a majority

40:00 ↗ of all of our hotel stays are business

40:03 ↗ oriented I think the data is showing a

40:06 ↗ little bit of a different kind of

40:09 ↗ outcome you know what's going on with

40:12 ↗ Motel six and Holiday Inn don't know but

40:16 ↗ they're out there too so so I think you

40:21 ↗ know if this was a conversation that if

40:24 ↗ this was our hotel generator if if

40:28 ↗ almost all of our stays were being

40:30 ↗ generated by our international corporate

40:33 ↗ campus then if there was going to be

40:37 ↗ more hotels why not put them close to

40:42 ↗ that destination so that people might be

40:45 ↗ then able to take you know a taxi Huber

40:48 ↗ lift from the airport come out here and

40:50 ↗ not have to have a car versus if you're

40:53 ↗ locating over you know in the Marriott

40:55 ↗ on 12 you know pretty much the only way

40:57 ↗ you would get to Costco's by a

40:59 ↗ rent-a-car

41:01 ↗ don't they have a shuttle I mean if

41:04 ↗ they're doing 80 percent of their

41:05 ↗ business the Costco wouldn't they have a

41:08 ↗ shuttle or something hotels do have

41:10 ↗ shuttles okay so that's that's one thing

41:14 ↗ I don't know that is one thing so you

41:17 ↗ know so that you know I'm there's there

41:26 ↗ is you know I think I think the question

41:29 ↗ is sometimes businesses locate where

41:33 ↗ land is available in cheap and you know

41:37 ↗ there are definitely some places in the

41:40 ↗ East Lake neighborhood that might fit

41:42 ↗ that category and you know if there was

41:46 ↗ a new hotel located somewhere over here

41:49 ↗ does that make sense you know do we want

41:51 ↗ to get down to that level of regulation

41:56 ↗ there's all these questions that I think

41:58 ↗ are up to you guys to talk through so

42:03 ↗ will this move block the proposed

42:05 ↗ mountainside Hotel this would not allow

42:10 ↗ the potential hotel that would be behind

42:16 ↗ Fred Meyer

42:21 ↗ now I don't know if they're still around

42:23 ↗ I mean when the moratorium gets lifted

42:25 ↗ we'll find that out but right now

42:28 ↗ obviously there's no way for anybody to

42:30 ↗ build a hotel unless it's in the

42:32 ↗ villages or in Old Town

42:35 ↗ but in central Issaquah right now we're

42:37 ↗ still under moratorium he's a quick

42:43 ↗ question yeah hotels do we currently

42:44 ↗ have today so right now there's there's

42:47 ↗ two in rally there's one on maple

42:52 ↗ there's Holiday Inn there's the motel

42:57 ↗ six and you said there's six so I don't

43:00 ↗ know which hotel okay so right now

43:07 ↗ there's five there is a piece of

43:09 ↗ property in Issaquah Highlands that was

43:12 ↗ sold to a hotel yer it is where city

43:17 ↗ serf wants to build their way pool so

43:21 ↗ there is a actual there's another hotel

43:24 ↗ site but the organ company that owns

43:28 ↗ that I don't think we'll build a hotel

43:32 ↗ there they were banking on a either a

43:36 ↗ Microsoft satellite campus or some other

43:39 ↗ corporate headquarters in the Highlands

43:42 ↗ and at this point I think they're saying

43:44 ↗ that's likely not going to happen and

43:45 ↗ they've been carrying that property for

43:48 ↗ probably ten years so it is probably

43:54 ↗ more likely going to be indoor surfing

43:56 ↗ facility than it will be a hotel but it

43:59 ↗ is owned by a hotel your franchisee out

44:02 ↗ of Oregon good polygons put a hotel on

44:07 ↗ one of those sites across the street yes

44:11 ↗ okay

44:18 ↗ John yeah I I mean I think that I don't

44:24 ↗ know if I agree with the theory of

44:26 ↗ limiting or directing you know if we

44:31 ↗ want something to happen somewhere and

44:33 ↗ we're saying that there's economics to

44:35 ↗ make it happen there I think you know

44:38 ↗ it'll happen there I don't know if we

44:41 ↗ need to limit it to just that one

44:43 ↗ neighborhood just because we want hotel

44:45 ↗ to go there at some point I don't know

44:48 ↗ if we need to limit it just to that one

44:50 ↗ neighborhood I'd be more in favor of

44:53 ↗ rather than letting it be wherever it's

44:56 ↗ gonna be if we could be a little more

44:58 ↗ broad in our I don't know targeting of

45:03 ↗ where we want that to go and allowing

45:05 ↗ where there are already hotels you know

45:09 ↗ for those hotels to potentially be

45:12 ↗ redeveloped without having to jump

45:14 ↗ through a bunch of Hoops if we want them

45:16 ↗ to you know if we think that's a good

45:20 ↗ place to have a hotel then it should be

45:24 ↗ able to be redeveloped as a hotel I

45:26 ↗ think in the Pickering area there's only

45:32 ↗ two hotels right there's the Holiday Inn

45:35 ↗ and then there's Motel 6

45:37 ↗ right and Holiday Inn has been talking

45:38 ↗ about an expansion oh we're looking at

45:43 ↗ it on average about 80 percent 75

45:46 ↗ percent of our hotel capacity is Costco

45:48 ↗ and there's not a hotel next to Costco

45:52 ↗ so of the Hilton to hotels that's true

45:58 ↗ on the Marriott that's on 12th it's

46:01 ↗ actually flipped the other direction so

46:03 ↗ it's 60 leisure 40 business the Marriott

46:09 ↗ doesn't have that many rooms compared to

46:12 ↗ the other two right so I'm thinking of

46:13 ↗ total room capacity 75 percent of our

46:17 ↗ total capacity for hotel rooms is

46:20 ↗ occupied by Costco and there's not a

46:22 ↗ hotel

46:23 ↗ to Costco right and you're right the

46:26 ↗ Hilton hotels are bigger than our other

46:29 ↗ hotels well the idea of economic and

46:33 ↗ they look at the economics of it they're

46:35 ↗ gonna build a hotel where it's the most

46:37 ↗ profitable for them and maybe not be in

46:39 ↗ the best place where we need a hotel

46:41 ↗ which is next to Costco the current

46:47 ↗ hotel that's there redevelops then there

46:50 ↗ would be a hotel near Costco right I

46:53 ↗ mean are we discounting it just because

46:55 ↗ it's an older hotel I'm not discounting

46:59 ↗ it I'm just saying like you're saying

47:01 ↗ there are no hotels over there

47:03 ↗ that's within walking distance yeah and

47:05 ↗ actually that one would still be in the

47:07 ↗ allowable hotels right if I'm reading

47:09 ↗ this right yeah that particular one is

47:11 ↗ the only one that's currently in that

47:13 ↗ zone and Motel six that would stay I

47:16 ↗ think all echo John's original comment I

47:20 ↗ I reject the narrative that I am having

47:23 ↗ hotels in Pickering versus Gillman that

47:25 ↗ changes who's gonna drive and he's gonna

47:26 ↗ not drive I think one if if Costco is

47:31 ↗ 800-pound gorilla buses are going to

47:33 ↗ hotels gonna run shuttles and it that

47:35 ↗ that solves that problem and two people

47:38 ↗ aren't running cars because they're

47:39 ↗ taking uber to the hotel and then

47:40 ↗ they're taking you over to their

47:41 ↗ meetings to I don't I I think the the

47:45 ↗ concern about rental car traffic

47:48 ↗ circulation I think is a thing is it I

47:50 ↗ think is an on concern and I think my

47:54 ↗ second point is I think if if we want

47:56 ↗ the whole urban growth area to be a

47:59 ↗ vibrant regional destination I think

48:01 ↗ hotels an important part of that mix I

48:03 ↗ think especially if you want to drive

48:05 ↗ evening foot traffic and restaurant

48:07 ↗ traffic in the Gilman neighborhood

48:09 ↗ having hotel guests there both work and

48:12 ↗ leisure I think is an important part of

48:14 ↗ that mix people that are there for

48:16 ↗ hotels to spend more money than people

48:19 ↗ that that live in apartments the

48:20 ↗ neighborhood and so III think hotel

48:22 ↗ would be an asset to the Gilman

48:25 ↗ neighborhood

48:26 ↗ I don't know as strong feelings at least

48:29 ↗ lake I think hotels are fine there but

48:30 ↗ if people really want to not have hotels

48:32 ↗ and he's like that's fine but I think I

48:35 ↗ think Gilman and picker

48:36 ↗ there's a reason they're both are urban

48:38 ↗ growth area and not just one

48:40 ↗ and I think hotels belong and Gilman

48:43 ↗ another question this actually is about

48:45 ↗ both the storage in hotels are there

48:50 ↗ example other examples in code where we

48:52 ↗ so specifically dictate commercial uses

48:56 ↗ to this level even more but like so like

49:02 ↗ things like the marijuana shop I know

49:05 ↗ it's it's it's got a very specific

49:07 ↗ location bacteria yeah so that kind of

49:19 ↗ stuff does happen yeah great I'm curious

49:24 ↗ what everyone else thinks about you know

49:26 ↗ having the whole urban core just be a

49:28 ↗ you know being allowed allowing hotels

49:31 ↗ and just the that would be the

49:33 ↗ salmon-colored area the urban core I

49:37 ↗ have no problem with having hotels in

49:40 ↗ any of the areas well I want to back up

49:45 ↗ for a second I'm actually in

49:46 ↗ disagreement here and the reason why is

49:48 ↗ because this document isn't a permanent

49:52 ↗ solution this is a recommendation to in

49:56 ↗ a temporary what so if we put down and

49:59 ↗ we say we want to pray restriction Brown

50:02 ↗ why are you talking about how well we

50:07 ↗ can change it if it if we have the need

50:10 ↗ to change it we can always change it I

50:12 ↗ think we're trying to set it up so that

50:14 ↗ we can achieve the vision right yes but

50:17 ↗ here's the point if we want to put the

50:20 ↗ hotels and I think we need to put the

50:21 ↗ hotels closer to Pickering focus them

50:24 ↗ where they're not

50:25 ↗ if it's a problem we can always revisit

50:28 ↗ this and add them back in well we can't

50:33 ↗ I think we would be putting ourselves in

50:36 ↗ a bad position to not put that

50:39 ↗ restriction and now and let the hotels

50:42 ↗ go where where they want to go instead

50:45 ↗ of putting them where we they should be

50:47 ↗ closer to Costco you know I hear your

50:51 ↗ point about allowing or having people

50:55 ↗ use shuttles and uber yeah I think the

50:57 ↗ idea is also to put the hotel closer to

51:01 ↗ Costco so that people can walk work

51:05 ↗ instead of having to take a shuttle or a

51:10 ↗ rental car yeah I don't I don't buy that

51:15 ↗ logic at all I don't I don't think the

51:17 ↗ hotels should be in Pickering versus

51:20 ↗ Gilman I think I think they would do

51:21 ↗ great and both and then like your

51:24 ↗ comment was people should walk to work I

51:26 ↗ mean social we only allow apartments in

51:29 ↗ Pickering and not allow apartments oh

51:30 ↗ yeah once you walk I mean I don't I

51:32 ↗ don't I don't think that logic logic

51:34 ↗ stands up that's not the point the point

51:36 ↗ is if you are a vendor and you come into

51:40 ↗ the Costco area you're not likely to

51:44 ↗ have a car so you may be taking an uber

51:46 ↗ into Issaquah and staying at the hotel

51:48 ↗ in which case you could actually walk

51:52 ↗ from the hotel to Costco and you can

51:54 ↗ also have your meetings in the hotel as

51:58 ↗ opposed to actually having meetings at

52:00 ↗ the Costco property because they have

52:03 ↗ meetings outside of Costco in the hotels

52:06 ↗ as keith has just pointed out so if we

52:09 ↗ can get hotels to bill closer to Costco

52:11 ↗ then we also have people that are going

52:14 ↗ to be meeting in the hotels to have the

52:17 ↗ resources to do that and so we're not

52:19 ↗ going to have people driving outside of

52:21 ↗ Costco to these hotels for a meeting I

52:25 ↗ think you're making a lot of assumptions

52:27 ↗ about a particular customer or person

52:30 ↗ coming into our community that we don't

52:32 ↗ necessarily need to conjecture out into

52:34 ↗ I mean just you could say the same way

52:36 ↗ that you know someone not familiar with

52:39 ↗ the Northwest may not want to walk in

52:40 ↗ the rain that might be an odd concept

52:41 ↗ and so as someone who's been familiar

52:44 ↗ not specifically in Issaquah but with

52:45 ↗ Redmond and Bellevue specifically having

52:47 ↗ clients come in internationally they

52:50 ↗ almost always get a car and so we need

52:53 ↗ to look at what we want to have happen

52:54 ↗ in the future because right now is a

52:57 ↗ quad is an entirely walkable which is

52:59 ↗ what is would be

53:00 ↗ for someone coming inside of our

53:03 ↗ community to then forgo that since we

53:05 ↗ see that in the future we want to change

53:07 ↗ how we want to do it I think then the

53:09 ↗ argument needs to be more towards how we

53:11 ↗ want to see our space but this

53:13 ↗ discussion about a mythical person

53:16 ↗ coming into our community is I think

53:17 ↗ railing a little bit well when you say

53:20 ↗ mythical he just noted it 75 percent of

53:22 ↗ the capacity in our hotels is Costco

53:24 ↗ well there also have the larger hotels

53:27 ↗ are a partnership with Cosmo travel so

53:30 ↗ it's the numbers are a little skewed to

53:32 ↗ it towards that and more importantly

53:34 ↗ their work being confirmed that their

53:37 ↗ Costco there are other jobs there are

53:39 ↗ the reasons people it'll be in its grow

53:41 ↗ we're not a company down and that

53:44 ↗ doesn't even count the people who choose

53:46 ↗ not to stay in Issaquah because they

53:48 ↗ don't feel like there is a hotel that

53:51 ↗ they would like to stay in we're missing

53:54 ↗ out on that whole portion of people who

53:56 ↗ may be coming into Issaquah my parents

53:59 ↗ for example who choose to stay in

54:02 ↗ Bellevue because of the hotel stock at

54:05 ↗ this point so I I think may be good

54:09 ↗ weight thing but this ron is let's say

54:10 ↗ if it was the other way around and there

54:12 ↗ were no hotels currently permitted it's

54:13 ↗ a car for a reason

54:14 ↗ and in costco is coming into the city

54:15 ↗ and saying please can you permit a hotel

54:18 ↗ in Pickering so we can build the one for

54:21 ↗ all of our customers that come then the

54:22 ↗ conference okay yeah that would make

54:23 ↗ sense let's allow something that's not

54:25 ↗ currently allowed but here making if

54:29 ↗ it's so important to build hotels in

54:30 ↗ Pickering like that can still happen

54:32 ↗ we're not blocking that we're just

54:34 ↗ saying it can all addition to hotels

54:37 ↗ also make sense in Gilman I think I

54:40 ↗ think of the five different zoning

54:44 ↗ districts that they're currently allowed

54:46 ↗ in I think the only one that probably

54:49 ↗ doesn't make sense to continue to allow

54:52 ↗ in my opinion just because it doesn't

54:55 ↗ match kind of the vision we already

54:57 ↗ established is village residential I

55:01 ↗ think all the other I could picture

55:03 ↗ hotels and all the other neighborhoods

55:06 ↗ that generally align with visions that

55:09 ↗ we just spent so much time talking

55:10 ↗ through

55:11 ↗ in terms of nightlife and everything and

55:15 ↗ in our initial discussion like two

55:18 ↗ meetings ago I I I know I felt that in

55:21 ↗ when looking at kind of the future of

55:23 ↗ how we want our space to be we I shoulda

55:27 ↗ speak for myself and maybe others have

55:28 ↗ felt that that kind of area right now

55:30 ↗ that is the Fred Meyer and the hillside

55:32 ↗ we didn't I didn't have a problem with

55:34 ↗ hotels going in there thinking about

55:36 ↗ what this space can possibly be and so

55:38 ↗ in this future planning I'm I was a

55:41 ↗ little surprised by trying to sequester

55:43 ↗ everything right into Pickering I agree

55:47 ↗ I'm rereading the East Lake future

55:50 ↗ vision and hotels seem like they fit

55:52 ↗ that and I wouldn't want a you know a

55:55 ↗ ten story hotel tower because it's

55:56 ↗ supposed to be small and less dense but

55:57 ↗ it's a mixed use neighborhood and we

56:01 ↗ have our lid makes Gilman more walkable

56:05 ↗ from Pickering and so I do like that

56:07 ↗ idea that even if there was a hotel

56:09 ↗ located in Pickering it would be more

56:12 ↗ easy to be able to crossover the ninety

56:13 ↗ and impart taken services so I don't

56:16 ↗ know that we have to have a hotel in

56:17 ↗ every area but letting the market

56:19 ↗ dictate it seems a little at this point

56:21 ↗ I just worry that the mark when you say

56:24 ↗ market dictates and they're gonna go for

56:26 ↗ the least expensive property not in the

56:29 ↗ best interest in the community and I

56:31 ↗ again I want to just assert myself that

56:34 ↗ I think having hotels in the Pickering

56:39 ↗ is the best solution we have hotel we

56:41 ↗ have enough hotels everywhere else we

56:44 ↗ don't have enough where we need them the

56:46 ↗ most

56:47 ↗ I don't think there's some dire hotel

56:52 ↗ shortage that we're trying to it's all

56:54 ↗ this really feels like a solution in

56:56 ↗ search of a problem

56:59 ↗ so I'm gonna focus you guys so there's

57:03 ↗ you know somebody should make a motion

57:06 ↗ at some point I think your choices are

57:08 ↗ approve the administration's

57:10 ↗ recommendation which would be limited to

57:12 ↗ Pickering

57:13 ↗ you'll be deny and just send a we don't

57:17 ↗ want to limit hotels geographically or

57:20 ↗ it's a prove it to limit it to some

57:24 ↗ other GI

57:25 ↗ Rafi and I think John throughout you

57:28 ↗ know potentially West Newport doesn't

57:29 ↗ make sense so I think you guys have

57:32 ↗ three choices all like a motion to

57:37 ↗ approve the city's recommendations for

57:42 ↗ limiting the hotels to Pickering we'll

57:47 ↗ have a second no second then motion

57:51 ↗ fails no just somebody else Oh

57:53 ↗ motion to deny when you say deny you

58:06 ↗ mean no amendment on the yeah okay I

58:08 ↗ just want to be sure that's what you

58:09 ↗ know no amendment on the motion

58:13 ↗ no no amendment to the existing

58:15 ↗ allowance for hotels so they're allowed

58:18 ↗ okay where they're alive you have to

58:21 ↗ state it a little more yeah motion

58:24 ↗ motion to deny so no change to the

58:26 ↗ current zoning okay

58:29 ↗ any other discussion all those in favor

58:34 ↗ say aye aye opposed pose motion carries

58:44 ↗ okay so I am so self-storage okay so you

58:53 ↗ know so I don't know what to where to go

58:56 ↗ with this so you heard you heard from

59:00 ↗ someone who I trust knows the economics

59:04 ↗ of this and you know the reality is is

59:06 ↗ self storage is a hot commodity it's

59:10 ↗ based on current land values current

59:13 ↗ construction costs and current demand

59:15 ↗ self storages is a an appealing

59:20 ↗ development scenario for many builders

59:23 ↗ right now who get who are in that that

59:26 ↗ that game if you just build apartments

59:29 ↗ you wouldn't likely not get into the

59:31 ↗ self storage business you just wouldn't

59:34 ↗ so the concern is that

59:37 ↗ so we have one self-storage under

59:40 ↗ construction right now on Gilman it's

59:44 ↗ actually a very fine looking building

59:46 ↗ frankly from a self-storage perspective

59:49 ↗ if you have not gone and seen it it's

59:51 ↗ next to the gotcha and I actually think

59:53 ↗ it looks pretty nice but to to the point

59:58 ↗ that was made so we have done other

1:00:00 ↗ things in central Issaquah like approved

1:00:02 ↗ architectural guidelines which would

1:00:04 ↗ apply to anything that gets built

1:00:06 ↗ including self storage and so that is

1:00:10 ↗ there but the concern I think that was

1:00:13 ↗ expressed is when we lift the moratorium

1:00:15 ↗ if the market is wants more self storage

1:00:22 ↗ you know are we getting multiple self

1:00:25 ↗ storages on in places where maybe that's

1:00:28 ↗ not what we want long term you know so

1:00:31 ↗ when you talk about urban vibrancy self

1:00:35 ↗ storage would not be it there might be

1:00:37 ↗ two employees that might go out and get

1:00:40 ↗ a coffee at some point but you know it's

1:00:43 ↗ a big building and you know and from a

1:00:45 ↗ traffic standpoint it's not a big

1:00:46 ↗ traffic generator but it's definitely

1:00:48 ↗ not a big activity generator they are

1:00:52 ↗ not bevies of activity so so you know I

1:00:55 ↗ think you need to think about that in

1:00:56 ↗ terms of you know are those and knowing

1:00:59 ↗ how once something develops on a piece

1:01:02 ↗ of property it's probably gonna be there

1:01:04 ↗ for quite a while

1:01:06 ↗ you know so does that match some of the

1:01:09 ↗ visions you guys have talked about for

1:01:11 ↗ some of the neighborhoods and is there a

1:01:13 ↗ reason maybe that you might want to

1:01:15 ↗ limit it to certain parts of central

1:01:18 ↗ Issaquah or not again I think you you

1:01:21 ↗ know there's lots of choices here so if

1:01:25 ↗ you allow apartments in every building

1:01:28 ↗ or hotels in every building in every

1:01:31 ↗ district district and then you allow

1:01:35 ↗ verge units you have to look at what the

1:01:39 ↗ vision that you want for those

1:01:41 ↗ communities is and how much people how

1:01:47 ↗ much condos and apartments that you want

1:01:50 ↗ to be in with

1:01:51 ↗ put into those areas and does this make

1:01:55 ↗ a dent in what you think the

1:02:00 ↗ neighborhood should look like so so I

1:02:04 ↗ think we should ban storage in all

1:02:07 ↗ neighborhoods I don't think it fits any

1:02:10 ↗ of the visions I think the point about

1:02:12 ↗ urban vibrancy is is critical and you

1:02:16 ↗ you just don't drive street traffic

1:02:18 ↗ story you don't people don't treat their

1:02:21 ↗ storage unit like their closet and stop

1:02:23 ↗ by over a couple weeks that that's just

1:02:25 ↗ it's just not a traffic generator and so

1:02:27 ↗ I I don't think it fits in any of them I

1:02:30 ↗ think we're looking to have have have

1:02:34 ↗ businesses and places where people live

1:02:36 ↗ that drive traffic if you ever hotel

1:02:37 ↗ there are people that are coming in and

1:02:39 ↗ out every day there there are people

1:02:41 ↗ that work there they're the gas for self

1:02:43 ↗ storage unit it's it's kind of a blank a

1:02:45 ↗ blank building and it's nice if it looks

1:02:50 ↗ nice but it's still it's still basically

1:02:52 ↗ a blank facade that's not adding to the

1:02:55 ↗ vibrancy of the street life and so I

1:02:57 ↗ would actually like to see it just not

1:02:58 ↗ being allowed use anywhere now if you're

1:03:02 ↗ gonna build condos and apartments and

1:03:03 ↗ you want to have storage units in them

1:03:05 ↗ like that that's fine that makes sense

1:03:07 ↗ to me but it's the standalone storage

1:03:09 ↗ unit I don't I don't think fits the

1:03:10 ↗ vision for any of the neighborhoods so

1:03:13 ↗ to play devil's advocate the idea that

1:03:16 ↗ we're trying to create smaller units to

1:03:21 ↗ have more density and more housing these

1:03:24 ↗ people are going to likely need storage

1:03:27 ↗ if somebody is downsizing they will

1:03:30 ↗ likely need storage and so I think

1:03:32 ↗ there's a need particularly in the

1:03:35 ↗ direction that we're going where we want

1:03:38 ↗ to include that I don't quite know well

1:03:41 ↗ I think I think storage units I think

1:03:43 ↗ play an important space near absolutely

1:03:45 ↗ right especially as people move to small

1:03:46 ↗ living spaces that's why there's a

1:03:48 ↗ market demand for it but those don't

1:03:50 ↗ belong in our transit rich urban

1:03:53 ↗ neighborhood bime downsize and I'm

1:03:55 ↗ moving to central I saw and I've got

1:03:56 ↗ somebody's got to keep my old furniture

1:03:58 ↗ you know that should be you know a

1:04:01 ↗ 20-minute drive from here nowhere close

1:04:02 ↗ to a transit stop

1:04:03 ↗ because I'm only gonna go there once

1:04:04 ↗ every three months storage units but

1:04:07 ↗ still are an important part of the

1:04:09 ↗ regional economy but having them be

1:04:12 ↗ within you know the ten minute walking

1:04:14 ↗ distance of a transit stop that seems

1:04:16 ↗ like a four uses land so I think I think

1:04:18 ↗ your point is totally valid the core but

1:04:21 ↗ they can still go someplace else they

1:04:23 ↗ can they can be built any places devil's

1:04:28 ↗ advocate idea the storage unit that was

1:04:32 ↗ built in the Highlands has retail on the

1:04:35 ↗ bottom floor we made them do that and so

1:04:40 ↗ that would be another kind of proposal

1:04:43 ↗ that I might say is if we're looking for

1:04:45 ↗ something that makes a self-storage more

1:04:48 ↗ vibrant for example if we're going into

1:04:52 ↗ the West Newport area where there isn't

1:04:55 ↗ retail where there isn't a coffee shop

1:04:57 ↗ and we can get something like that that

1:05:02 ↗ provides a little bit of local retail in

1:05:04 ↗ there that could be a good trade-off

1:05:07 ↗ maybe I'm kind of with AJ on this I

1:05:13 ↗ don't think we really care for storage

1:05:16 ↗ in the city because because of the

1:05:18 ↗ vibrancy issue with an exception the

1:05:23 ↗ Costco property because I think there is

1:05:27 ↗ a need for a storage facility in

1:05:30 ↗ Pickering as close to Costco as possible

1:05:33 ↗ because of Costco vendors they need a

1:05:36 ↗ place to put their stuff what this isn't

1:05:40 ↗ a warehouse this is this is like where'd

1:05:42 ↗ you put my personal storage that's where

1:05:46 ↗ our vendors their stuff isn't is our

1:05:49 ↗ story about vendors I care about the

1:05:52 ↗ people who are living here there's other

1:05:53 ↗ stuff so let's go can take care of their

1:05:56 ↗ own facility and their own storage if

1:05:59 ↗ they need it but that's not the point

1:06:02 ↗ these are vendors which are not employed

1:06:04 ↗ by Costco so they can't they don't have

1:06:08 ↗ a warehouse of put there there they're

1:06:10 ↗ good so they need a place to put their

1:06:13 ↗ goods so they use our or storage

1:06:16 ↗ facilities but

1:06:17 ↗ if our storage facility if we have a

1:06:19 ↗ storage facility close to Costco and the

1:06:22 ↗ vendors could use that storage instead

1:06:25 ↗ of the other storage lockers I think

1:06:27 ↗ right no it doesn't you're advocating

1:06:29 ↗ for like light industry and like

1:06:31 ↗ warehouse space that's a drier green for

1:06:34 ↗ but Ron you seem like you know that that

1:06:37 ↗ these units are used for that how do you

1:06:40 ↗ how do you know that or how where okay

1:06:43 ↗ so if you're a Costco vendor and you're

1:06:45 ↗ coming to Costco and on a routine basis

1:06:48 ↗ where you going to put your goods you

1:06:51 ↗ know in a warehouse in Kent

1:06:58 ↗ with pictures of what they're selling so

1:07:01 ↗ I you know I don't know how Costco

1:07:04 ↗ operates in their vendor system so I

1:07:06 ↗ can't speak any further about this but

1:07:08 ↗ Waianae was one about a store sure you

1:07:11 ↗ have any insight you could help me out

1:07:12 ↗ with on this I mean I want to fairly

1:07:15 ↗ represent Costco in this but I so that's

1:07:19 ↗ for the way so there's a variety right

1:07:21 ↗ because there's obviously a lot of

1:07:23 ↗ different goods that are sold in Costco

1:07:26 ↗ warehouses they have so they're planning

1:07:31 ↗ to build you know so they've got permits

1:07:36 ↗ in to build a new office building you

1:07:39 ↗ guys know that and then across the

1:07:40 ↗ street is a parking garage

1:07:41 ↗ on the ground floor of the parking

1:07:43 ↗ garage they're planning on basically the

1:07:46 ↗ first floor being rotating display space

1:07:50 ↗ so what happens if you are a vendor who

1:07:54 ↗ has Levi's jeans and you want to sell

1:07:58 ↗ them at Costco you would come up and set

1:08:01 ↗ up your display in their space so that

1:08:04 ↗ their execs can come look at it and see

1:08:07 ↗ what it would look like on their floor

1:08:09 ↗ there are people that sell Tyson chicken

1:08:12 ↗ that actually cook the chicken and bring

1:08:15 ↗ it to Costco to let people taste what it

1:08:21 ↗ is they want to sell and it's so it's

1:08:23 ↗ all over the place man so they're not

1:08:25 ↗ using self storage units to do that

1:08:28 ↗ right

1:08:28 ↗ I hope they're not putting chicken

1:08:30 ↗ itself sir it's so-so

1:08:33 ↗ I think I think what I would say is I

1:08:36 ↗ think Ron has at least a thread of truth

1:08:39 ↗ to what he's saying I don't know how

1:08:41 ↗ much but that that self-storage that's

1:08:47 ↗ going in next - Oh gotcha so that

1:08:50 ↗ doesn't seem like it's near Costco but

1:08:52 ↗ it actually is so given the new you know

1:08:58 ↗ so one of their vendors who was looking

1:09:07 ↗ to buy our building because it's

1:09:09 ↗ convenient to Costco also then rented

1:09:13 ↗ space in the medical building that's on

1:09:14 ↗ 4th they asked if they could drive a

1:09:19 ↗ golf cart down the Pickering trail to

1:09:22 ↗ get from there basically their office

1:09:25 ↗ space to Costco hauling like chicken on

1:09:28 ↗ the golf cart I think we told them we

1:09:32 ↗ weren't okay with that but that's I mean

1:09:34 ↗ that's the craziness it's that crazy so

1:09:36 ↗ so there there would be people putting

1:09:39 ↗ goods in that new self storage that's

1:09:43 ↗ being built on Gilman probably that's

1:09:46 ↗ Costco related I I think that would be

1:09:48 ↗ true how much of that how much of that

1:09:51 ↗ square footage will be leased up by

1:09:53 ↗ Costco vendors I have no idea not

1:09:56 ↗ chickens inspector residents just a

1:10:02 ↗ slightly different question cuz I liked

1:10:03 ↗ what Lindsay said a minute ago about

1:10:04 ↗ storage with your commercial on the

1:10:07 ↗ ground on the ground floor do we have we

1:10:11 ↗ can get that granular here or and you

1:10:14 ↗ said on the one on the highlands you the

1:10:16 ↗ city made him do that basically we did

1:10:18 ↗ is that I mean do we have the ability

1:10:22 ↗ with what we're looking at here to say

1:10:24 ↗ it has to be mixed-use it's different on

1:10:26 ↗ the floor okay that was just I'm

1:10:30 ↗ contemplating that still and just

1:10:31 ↗ curiously we even had that ability so

1:10:33 ↗ you'd basically go into the land use

1:10:35 ↗ table and it would say self storage with

1:10:37 ↗ a certain portion of ground-floor retail

1:10:40 ↗ or non

1:10:42 ↗ or I think I think I think I'd be more

1:10:44 ↗ open that like you can't use I'm gonna

1:10:46 ↗ make a number up but you can't have more

1:10:48 ↗ than 50% of the square footage beep

1:10:50 ↗ self-storage or something like that

1:10:51 ↗ is it think it's going up it's not gonna

1:10:56 ↗ make a big difference I think you really

1:10:58 ↗ just want the ground floor and if it's a

1:11:00 ↗ ground floor on a big building that's

1:11:03 ↗ two feet two floors tall then you might

1:11:07 ↗ get to 50% but like looking at the one

1:11:09 ↗ in the highlands ground floor is very

1:11:12 ↗ small compared to the five but I think

1:11:14 ↗ even then if you look at the one in the

1:11:15 ↗ highlands like imagine if that had been

1:11:16 ↗ a couple fours of office space that

1:11:19 ↗ drove traffic and then the other floors

1:11:21 ↗ word for storage but expecting a

1:11:23 ↗ developer to be able to do retail

1:11:26 ↗ commercial and self storage I think I'm

1:11:29 ↗ just I don't I don't want to get

1:11:30 ↗ specific into like what they would be

1:11:32 ↗ doing in Lewis so storage I think that

1:11:34 ↗ is for every every square foot of

1:11:35 ↗ self-storage is less active space well

1:11:42 ↗ let me propose another question till

1:11:44 ↗ then as far as the Gateway goes if

1:11:48 ↗ Gateway was to provide storage for their

1:11:51 ↗ residents well that that's permitted

1:11:56 ↗ right if you can build storage sure in

1:11:59 ↗ yeah that's fine yeah I mean most I mean

1:12:04 ↗ most apartment builders you know they

1:12:06 ↗ try to figure out what they can actually

1:12:09 ↗ make money on right and so I'm gonna

1:12:12 ↗ make money on the apartments that I can

1:12:13 ↗ rent I can make money on parking spaces

1:12:16 ↗ that I provide you know probably there's

1:12:20 ↗ a certain amount of on-site storage that

1:12:23 ↗ they could generate revenue from but I

1:12:25 ↗ have not seen any doodad and it doesn't

1:12:28 ↗ mean that they don't I just haven't seen

1:12:30 ↗ any well I think to his point I just

1:12:33 ↗ want to make sure we we have all

1:12:34 ↗ stakeholders here covered if he created

1:12:37 ↗ storage space for his residents would

1:12:41 ↗ that be he doesn't have residents so

1:12:45 ↗ he's just he is a nearby piece of

1:12:48 ↗ property to Gateway that he wants to

1:12:51 ↗ build storage on okay to serve to serve

1:12:54 ↗ not only gay

1:12:55 ↗ way but all the other people in the

1:12:57 ↗ surrounding you know he knows AJ's got a

1:12:59 ↗ bunch of stuff that needs a home be just

1:13:02 ↗ so convenient and for me to apparently

1:13:05 ↗ okay I thought he was actually

1:13:07 ↗ representing outweighs all right sorry

1:13:09 ↗ about that

1:13:09 ↗ so it sounds like we're considering the

1:13:13 ↗ idea of mixed-use or some kind of

1:13:16 ↗ requirement of retail or commercial the

1:13:21 ↗ other thing that I think I heard earlier

1:13:23 ↗ is maybe not in the urban core not in

1:13:26 ↗ the Pickering and Gilman areas but okay

1:13:29 ↗ and the others how are we feeling about

1:13:31 ↗ those types of things so currently

1:13:36 ↗ proposed its it be banned from Gilman

1:13:38 ↗ and Pickering it would be allowed in in

1:13:42 ↗ a part of East Lake okay and 221st right

1:13:47 ↗ okay so but my opinion is I don't think

1:13:50 ↗ it belongs in East Lake either

1:13:51 ↗ we want all of these like to be vibrant

1:13:53 ↗ not just certain parts of East Lake but

1:13:55 ↗ but that's just my I agree i I think

1:13:58 ↗ that when we think about how much space

1:14:00 ↗ these origins take up even with a

1:14:01 ↗ ground-floor retail it's not what we've

1:14:03 ↗ envisioned as far as twenty years out

1:14:06 ↗ out the road and so I would be I would

1:14:10 ↗ be a proponent of making it way all

1:14:14 ↗ storage within within our urban core

1:14:17 ↗ within urban core and with such a lake

1:14:20 ↗ and such yeah

1:14:21 ↗ okay so then we would be basically

1:14:25 ↗ pushing anybody who wants to do outside

1:14:27 ↗ yeah in Salinas West Newport or

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1:14:32 ↗ confluence or other areas of a circle no

1:14:35 ↗ also also not West Newport and saying

1:14:39 ↗ nothing in something nothing in central

1:14:41 ↗ ok you have to be so you can still mean

1:14:43 ↗ as a co-op but just nothing in centers

1:14:44 ↗ so you could put it in the areas we took

1:14:46 ↗ out service and old route 10 you can put

1:14:50 ↗ it in the highlands you can put it in

1:14:51 ↗ Dallas you could put it in Old Town

1:14:54 ↗ could you put in Old Town I don't know

1:15:00 ↗ about that

1:15:03 ↗ no I'm sorry professional office retail

1:15:06 ↗ and I see yeah so that's not old town

1:15:10 ↗ not old town thank we're still far away

1:15:17 ↗ where it is already over do actually

1:15:21 ↗ pushing about the storage yeah in Petco

1:15:25 ↗ yes if we decide that we do not want

1:15:29 ↗ storage in Pickering or Gillman Costco

1:15:33 ↗ could still build storage because of the

1:15:35 ↗ cost called development agreement they

1:15:36 ↗ is so they could build it as part of

1:15:39 ↗ their development agreement but is what

1:15:42 ↗ I heard also is you know that you guys

1:15:45 ↗ were saying it could be accessory to

1:15:47 ↗ another use so if you wanted to build

1:15:49 ↗ storage with something maybe and I don't

1:15:51 ↗ know if you want to play with that one

1:15:53 ↗ or not it's up to you

1:16:02 ↗ now thinking it through the lens of the

1:16:04 ↗ Costco development agreement I think I'm

1:16:06 ↗ satisfied with not having storage in

1:16:09 ↗ Pickering yeah there's a rally

1:16:11 ↗ development agreement too and right

1:16:12 ↗ could certainly take their existing

1:16:14 ↗ storage and decide to go up something

1:16:17 ↗ tall that would be used by multiple

1:16:21 ↗ other people I don't know how I feel

1:16:24 ↗ about all of this I'm not sure which

1:16:26 ↗ direction I I seed I really on both

1:16:31 ↗ sides I feel like I don't understand the

1:16:32 ↗ economics of it enough to really yeah

1:16:35 ↗ I think one of my concerns is hearing

1:16:39 ↗ from a previous conversation that we had

1:16:42 ↗ about storage units is that when the

1:16:45 ↗ moratorium is lifted that right now the

1:16:49 ↗ like price per square foot that they use

1:16:55 ↗ for self storage I guess makes a lot of

1:16:57 ↗ sense and so there's a lot of potential

1:17:00 ↗ drive to build self storage and you know

1:17:04 ↗ I looked up other cities San Jose

1:17:06 ↗ California for example has gotten rid of

1:17:09 ↗ them because they need more housing and

1:17:11 ↗ you know different cities have done this

1:17:13 ↗ so I guess I can see the idea and I

1:17:16 ↗ think there is a concern that when the

1:17:19 ↗ moratorium is lifted that we might have

1:17:22 ↗ five different properties that want to

1:17:24 ↗ develop into self storage and I wouldn't

1:17:26 ↗ want that right market yeah yeah but I

1:17:32 ↗ don't see the but I think that's the

1:17:34 ↗ whole point is that we're supposed to be

1:17:35 ↗ planning for the community that we want

1:17:37 ↗ live-work-play

1:17:38 ↗ so I think this is a good example of how

1:17:40 ↗ hotels and storage units are very

1:17:42 ↗ different and so they serve us a very

1:17:44 ↗ different thing and like I said I don't

1:17:46 ↗ have a problem with storage units like

1:17:47 ↗ they think they're very handy thing I've

1:17:49 ↗ used them myself but putting them in

1:17:52 ↗ this in the in the core having them even

1:17:54 ↗ in central Issaquah I think it is

1:17:56 ↗ diluting what we want as having what

1:17:59 ↗ we've been trying to create so I would

1:18:01 ↗ say they can still meet as a quasi it's

1:18:02 ↗ just not in you know I think about like

1:18:05 ↗ South Lake Union Seattle for example

1:18:08 ↗ like if massive storage needs there

1:18:12 ↗ it's still a very vibrant community I

1:18:14 ↗ feel like it's not necessarily mutually

1:18:17 ↗ exclusive to have to want a vibrant

1:18:19 ↗ community and also incorporate storage

1:18:21 ↗ into that human there's plenty of cities

1:18:25 ↗ that have self storage units in very

1:18:29 ↗ very urban areas and they're well used

1:18:32 ↗ and well we have some they exist it's

1:18:36 ↗ you know six of them yeah

1:18:42 ↗ the storage that was allowed in the

1:18:50 ↗ mixed-use residential had the commentary

1:18:53 ↗ on it only as an accessory to permitted

1:18:55 ↗ use can you explain what that is or what

1:18:59 ↗ that would look like

1:19:00 ↗ so accessory to a permitted use would be

1:19:03 ↗ like if you build residential and you

1:19:08 ↗ wanted to put storage with it you could

1:19:10 ↗ do that but it could be the primary use

1:19:13 ↗ it couldn't be you know the thing that

1:19:15 ↗ you talked about earlier which is a

1:19:17 ↗ mixed-use project where there might be

1:19:19 ↗ some ground-floor retail that would not

1:19:22 ↗ be you couldn't then build four storeys

1:19:25 ↗ of storage above it and call it

1:19:27 ↗ accessory to that retail on the ground

1:19:29 ↗ floor because there's the there's the

1:19:31 ↗ office with the boxes in it right so you

1:19:34 ↗ know it's it's about it's a minor

1:19:37 ↗ component to another use that's allowed

1:19:39 ↗ I would be fine having that same

1:19:43 ↗ language and all the zones rather than

1:19:46 ↗ having it being prohibited just being

1:19:47 ↗ allowed as an accessory that seems

1:19:49 ↗ reasonable

1:19:54 ↗ what about that Plus allowing it as only

1:20:00 ↗ storage in the area that was proposed

1:20:03 ↗ off East Lake Sammamish Parkway I know I

1:20:07 ↗ still don't like that I think I don't

1:20:09 ↗ see no reason to single out a component

1:20:11 ↗ of East Lake if there was different if

1:20:14 ↗ that was so special it would be a

1:20:15 ↗ different neighborhood I think we should

1:20:17 ↗ be consistent no I don't think that

1:20:19 ↗ matches our vision of East Lake I think

1:20:22 ↗ it matches what East Lake is currently

1:20:24 ↗ yeah and we don't want to limit the

1:20:26 ↗ storage there that's probably gonna stay

1:20:28 ↗ like that's fine so if looking through

1:20:33 ↗ it's because we don't have to say all or

1:20:35 ↗ nothing

1:20:36 ↗ are there any of these zoning districts

1:20:40 ↗ such as intensive commercial or village

1:20:44 ↗ residential where we would feel

1:20:47 ↗ comfortable

1:20:54 ↗ so I was kind of trying to think about

1:20:56 ↗ the hotels too but yeah I don't like I

1:21:02 ↗ don't mind it outside of central and

1:21:03 ↗ when you think about old service I mean

1:21:05 ↗ there's there's ways to be close to the

1:21:08 ↗ core without being in central Issaquah

1:21:11 ↗ isn't that what intensive commercial is

1:21:14 ↗ this isn't that service yes area yes

1:21:17 ↗ okay I think that's a great place for

1:21:20 ↗ storage then oh why old service our old

1:21:26 ↗ ten which which sorry older out Hannah's

1:21:31 ↗ destination retail okay yeah so I think

1:21:33 ↗ destination retail does not make sense

1:21:36 ↗ yeah I think intensive commercial

1:21:38 ↗ leaving is permitted you seems yeah

1:21:39 ↗ reasonable look Keith question what are

1:21:42 ↗ you City Council currently thinking

1:21:44 ↗ where's Lena tours currently has it

1:21:45 ↗ gotten to them yet they're waiting for

1:21:47 ↗ your recommendation what's your thought

1:21:51 ↗ [Laughter]

1:21:59 ↗ the administration's position is we

1:22:03 ↗ should limit it to two twenty first and

1:22:06 ↗ properties fronting East Lake Sammamish

1:22:09 ↗ Parkway that's the administration's

1:22:11 ↗ recommendation so okay can't make a

1:22:19 ↗ motion so I believe I've listed some so

1:22:21 ↗ you guys have talked about so I'm gonna

1:22:23 ↗ try and focus you now because it seems

1:22:24 ↗ like we're losing energy so you guys

1:22:27 ↗ talked about allowing it if it's mixed

1:22:29 ↗ use you guys talked about a different

1:22:32 ↗ geography either eliminating it all the

1:22:35 ↗ way from central Issaquah or picking

1:22:38 ↗ some different neighborhoods to

1:22:40 ↗ eliminate it from and then you also

1:22:43 ↗ talked about allowing it as an accessory

1:22:46 ↗ used to something else but not as a

1:22:48 ↗ primary use so that's what I've heard so

1:22:50 ↗ far so we got to start with a motion of

1:22:55 ↗ something so let's put it on the table

1:22:58 ↗ I've got one of sorry I think the motion

1:23:01 ↗ is this isn't the motion yet so I think

1:23:04 ↗ the motion is to change it so

1:23:06 ↗ that it is only permitted as an

1:23:10 ↗ accessory for all zoning districts

1:23:14 ↗ within central Issaquah and so the

1:23:15 ↗ change is to match what's currently in

1:23:17 ↗ mru for the rest of them but then not

1:23:20 ↗ touch intensive commercial I would yeah

1:23:26 ↗ I was gonna say I would be open to

1:23:27 ↗ leaving intensive commercial as

1:23:29 ↗ permitted yeah I would also potentially

1:23:31 ↗ be open to village residential as

1:23:35 ↗ permitted because I think that has a

1:23:36 ↗ different feel for me it's closer to our

1:23:40 ↗ urban villages where I think the storage

1:23:44 ↗ being close to housing make sense and

1:23:50 ↗ doesn't take away from a vibrancy that

1:23:52 ↗ we're trying to get in urban core Keith

1:23:54 ↗ are we looking to make a change for

1:23:56 ↗ zones across the city or just zones and

1:24:00 ↗ central ISO quoi okay yeah yeah I don't

1:24:04 ↗ want to touch what's permitted and like

1:24:06 ↗ the Highlands yes village residential is

1:24:09 ↗ West Newport yes has a little bit of a

1:24:14 ↗ different feel to me and that's why I

1:24:16 ↗ say it feels a little bit more like

1:24:19 ↗ urban villages idea it's not as dense

1:24:24 ↗ yeah I don't I don't want any what's

1:24:26 ↗ confluence confluences mixed-use

1:24:29 ↗ residential or no no I that's why

1:24:32 ↗ through dad thing I think I wanted

1:24:33 ↗ because he was saying if there was a

1:24:35 ↗ motion it would be kind of this and I

1:24:37 ↗ responded kind of work out our mother

1:24:40 ↗ yeah yeah so I think so I think the only

1:24:42 ↗ one so I think so let's do buy limit so

1:24:45 ↗ I think we're okay with keeping

1:24:47 ↗ intensive commercializes mm-hmm and I

1:24:49 ↗ think we we definitely want to ban it

1:24:51 ↗ from urban core

1:24:53 ↗ yeah mixed-use and destination retro

1:24:56 ↗ yeah except for except for and so I

1:24:59 ↗ think the only one that's maybe left to

1:25:01 ↗ discuss is build residential for banning

1:25:03 ↗ it from village residential why because

1:25:07 ↗ I think that it's not the intention of

1:25:09 ↗ how we want to put our space this is

1:25:11 ↗ what this is a lot this would be a lot

1:25:14 ↗ of space that could be used in a

1:25:16 ↗ different and the footprint can be used

1:25:17 ↗ very differently from how we've

1:25:19 ↗ envisioned where

1:25:19 ↗ we want is it want to go and the thing

1:25:22 ↗ is is if we're saying people are gonna

1:25:23 ↗ be living in a smaller units I mean I

1:25:25 ↗ feel like we're then saying oh but but

1:25:27 ↗ then we're trying to make accommodate

1:25:29 ↗ for these other things I mean if you're

1:25:31 ↗ gonna live in a smaller unit then you've

1:25:32 ↗ already made that lifestyle choice and

1:25:33 ↗ your decision to get a storage unit

1:25:35 ↗ isn't actually going to be based on if

1:25:36 ↗ it's close to you or not you're going to

1:25:38 ↗ need a storage unit or you're not so

1:25:39 ↗ having it actually take up space in our

1:25:42 ↗ community when it could actually be

1:25:43 ↗ something else to me is more of the

1:25:46 ↗ vision that we've talked about over the

1:25:48 ↗ last length of time I completely agree

1:25:50 ↗ with you one person was exact same

1:25:52 ↗ reason okay not hard put either way yeah

1:25:58 ↗ I I agree but not nearly as passionately

1:26:02 ↗ what do you guys think we're gonna keep

1:26:06 ↗ intensive commercial intensive yeah okay

1:26:10 ↗ yes so since we is the resultant that

1:26:16 ↗ you're saying just not in central

1:26:19 ↗ Issaquah is there any area in central is

1:26:21 ↗ equality except for as an accessory to

1:26:23 ↗ other use yeah so I think we're okay

1:26:25 ↗ allowing as accessory to other use in

1:26:28 ↗ all yeah okay so your point Keith were

1:26:34 ↗ you simply saying there's no intensive

1:26:36 ↗ commercial in central so exclude what

1:26:39 ↗ I'm hearing is exclude storage except as

1:26:43 ↗ an accessory use to another use yes

1:26:45 ↗ what's in central is Laurel essential is

1:26:47 ↗ good except for commercial yes except

1:26:51 ↗ for intensive Commission's Folies ever

1:26:53 ↗ commercial we took out the service

1:26:55 ↗ neighborhood we have three four parcels

1:26:58 ↗ okay where are those four parcels well

1:27:04 ↗ they're on yeah yeah I don't quite

1:27:13 ↗ understand when we say exclude storage

1:27:15 ↗ except as an accessory to other use what

1:27:18 ↗ are you referring to buy Assessor each

1:27:19 ↗ other use so I believe page 29 if you

1:27:22 ↗ look at the actual permanent land uses

1:27:24 ↗ the table yeah so that's yes so that's

1:27:27 ↗ that's the existing text so that I'm

1:27:28 ↗ leveraging for mru or mm you are

1:27:32 ↗ it's saying if you've got a residential

1:27:36 ↗ unit and the residential apartments want

1:27:39 ↗ to build a little set of storage that's

1:27:42 ↗ fine so there might be a free-standing

1:27:45 ↗ storage unit but it's within the context

1:27:47 ↗ of a couple of buildings or something is

1:27:49 ↗ that is that accurate Keith sorry I was

1:27:52 ↗ happy writing stuff wait wait what oh

1:27:55 ↗ the rounded s of a clarification on the

1:27:58 ↗ accessory to permitted use that's the

1:28:00 ↗ idea that you could have a free-standing

1:28:01 ↗ storage building it would just be in the

1:28:03 ↗ context of some greater development you

1:28:07 ↗ could not have a free-standing storage

1:28:09 ↗ building if I would have to be part of

1:28:11 ↗ some other could be part of an office

1:28:13 ↗ building it could be part of a that's

1:28:15 ↗ I'm saying if I'm building a three

1:28:16 ↗ building project and the third smallest

1:28:20 ↗ building could be storage you could be

1:28:23 ↗ in the space basically yeah that's only

1:28:28 ↗ an accessory told you would it so if you

1:28:32 ↗ build like let's say you built an

1:28:35 ↗ apartment project that had two buildings

1:28:38 ↗ and five hundred housing units and you

1:28:42 ↗ wanted to put some on-site storage as

1:28:46 ↗ part of that project and it just

1:28:48 ↗ happened to be in a standalone because

1:28:50 ↗ right you should do that yeah but you'd

1:28:52 ↗ be permanent at the same time right yeah

1:28:54 ↗ I know you'd never build it you could

1:28:59 ↗ but it wouldn't happen right yeah I was

1:29:03 ↗ just I think we were trying to

1:29:03 ↗ understand what accessories yeah okay so

1:29:05 ↗ I would say let's allow let's permit

1:29:11 ↗ self storage in I see even though

1:29:13 ↗ there's only a few parcels in central

1:29:17 ↗ DiCicco I think it still speaks to the

1:29:19 ↗ idea of intensive commercial is make

1:29:22 ↗ sense for there's a reason there's own

1:29:24 ↗ that way yeah presumably by trust the

1:29:28 ↗ existing zoning yeah okay good

1:29:31 ↗ and we say that Lindsay you mean

1:29:34 ↗ standalone an intensive commercial right

1:29:36 ↗ not as an accessory is correct okay so

1:29:38 ↗ is somebody gonna make that motion

1:29:40 ↗ all right so a motion to change the

1:29:43 ↗ existing zoning in central Iowa to

1:29:47 ↗ change all zoning districts except for

1:29:50 ↗ intensive commercial to allow storage

1:29:52 ↗ only as an accessory use I get that

1:29:56 ↗ right and you're changing the

1:29:58 ↗ recommendation to permit intensive

1:30:01 ↗ commercial so can you just read that

1:30:03 ↗ that last bullet okay so motion

1:30:06 ↗ your words were wonderful I think that's

1:30:08 ↗ clear okay motion for in Central School

1:30:11 ↗ for all zones except for in terms of

1:30:13 ↗ commercial to exclude storage except as

1:30:17 ↗ accessory to other use is that what you

1:30:20 ↗ were intending I believe I said the same

1:30:23 ↗ thing in two different eyes I think hey

1:30:27 ↗ second the motion

1:30:28 ↗ all those in favor I'm nope so has to be

1:30:39 ↗ clear all those in favor raise your hand

1:30:41 ↗ the one two three four I'm not voting so

1:30:46 ↗ I'll put my hand down

1:30:48 ↗ great the three to me what so screw you

1:30:55 ↗ too

1:30:55 ↗ yeah no it's three to three if I vote a

1:30:57 ↗ 303 okay did you vote no I'm going to

1:31:00 ↗ vote and you're voting against yeah okay

1:31:03 ↗ okay so we have a time does that mean I

1:31:05 ↗ get to vote so do you want to so you

1:31:14 ↗ guys got for further discussion well so

1:31:16 ↗ your choice you can either jointly

1:31:20 ↗ search one choice would be you guys send

1:31:23 ↗ it forward three to three and and it

1:31:26 ↗ would be helpful for the council to

1:31:27 ↗ understand why the three that voted

1:31:30 ↗ against this voted against this so we

1:31:32 ↗ could either do that the second choice

1:31:34 ↗ is to have somebody make a different

1:31:36 ↗ motion and see if that passes it would

1:31:38 ↗ need to get seconded and see if that

1:31:40 ↗ passes and then the third choice would

1:31:42 ↗ you guys ask us to do something and we

1:31:44 ↗ bring

1:31:45 ↗ back to your next Commission meeting so

1:31:47 ↗ three choices let's take a let's take

1:31:49 ↗ one more stab at it here from the three

1:31:51 ↗ who voted no right now if you just

1:31:55 ↗ stopped one minute with all your energy

1:31:59 ↗ we can have further discussion and I

1:32:03 ↗ think we really need the further

1:32:05 ↗ discussion to look at the areas that and

1:32:08 ↗ what the impacts it would be to just say

1:32:11 ↗ I don't want it in any neighborhood it's

1:32:14 ↗ not really kosher it's you need to have

1:32:19 ↗ more reasons than I just don't like it

1:32:21 ↗ you know I I think that we need storage

1:32:24 ↗ we just have to put it in the right

1:32:26 ↗ place and I don't think that just saying

1:32:29 ↗ it's still a accessory whatever other

1:32:35 ↗ use is the way to go that could end up

1:32:40 ↗ with buildings everywhere yeah maybe

1:32:46 ↗ I'll just where I am on this why I said

1:32:48 ↗ no is I mean I as much as I it deeply

1:32:51 ↗ worries me that people need so much

1:32:53 ↗ storage I understand it's a great

1:32:56 ↗ business model and I appreciate that it

1:32:57 ↗ scares me Americans I mean I I don't I

1:33:03 ↗ also don't like limiting what people can

1:33:06 ↗ do what they want to invest in the

1:33:07 ↗ community then let them invest in the

1:33:08 ↗ community and if you get the most money

1:33:10 ↗ for storage means I don't think that's

1:33:12 ↗ great but I can't fault somebody for

1:33:14 ↗ wanting to build a project like that and

1:33:15 ↗ the one on Gilman did surprise me I was

1:33:18 ↗ like man what is that thing gonna be and

1:33:19 ↗ then just said I did I see a sign of it

1:33:20 ↗ oh that's a storage unit I was like huh

1:33:22 ↗ but okay whatever so that's right I'm

1:33:25 ↗ gonna like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

1:33:26 ↗ want to limit it anywhere and I

1:33:28 ↗ understand that with the visions and

1:33:30 ↗ everything we just did I understand that

1:33:31 ↗ the principles behind what everyone says

1:33:33 ↗ but people want to invest in the

1:33:35 ↗ community I'm not going to stop them I'm

1:33:38 ↗ very aligned with that I guess I'd the

1:33:42 ↗ only thing I would add is that I don't

1:33:44 ↗ understand the economics of it and the

1:33:48 ↗ needs of people in our community to be

1:33:52 ↗ in close proximity I guess I don't

1:33:55 ↗ understand that relationship enough to

1:33:57 ↗ make

1:33:57 ↗ heads or tails of it one way or the

1:34:00 ↗ other and I wouldn't want to make it a

1:34:03 ↗ recommendation based on something I

1:34:05 ↗ don't fully understand the needs there

1:34:08 ↗ and I can totally appreciate that we

1:34:12 ↗ typically think that storage equals non

1:34:15 ↗ vibrant equals not yeah it doesn't match

1:34:19 ↗ what our vision is for a lot of these

1:34:21 ↗ neighborhoods so I want to keep that in

1:34:23 ↗ mind but I don't feel comfortable saying

1:34:27 ↗ wholeheartedly except for four parcels

1:34:30 ↗ that we can't have full-on self storage

1:34:34 ↗ units because I think there are smart

1:34:35 ↗ places that we could put them that would

1:34:38 ↗ still allow our community to be vibrant

1:34:41 ↗ Keith can I ask a question if we decide

1:34:45 ↗ to ask you for more information and have

1:34:48 ↗ it come back to us at the next meeting

1:34:49 ↗ how does that affect it's processed

1:34:52 ↗ through particularly with potentially

1:34:55 ↗ the end of the moratorium coming up so I

1:34:59 ↗ would say two things one is we're

1:35:03 ↗ expecting the vision conversation to be

1:35:06 ↗ at lunch or at least twice so that's

1:35:08 ↗ through May so I don't know when your

1:35:11 ↗ next meeting is but my guess is we could

1:35:14 ↗ come back and have another conversation

1:35:15 ↗ on this if you wanted to my second part

1:35:19 ↗ would be what would you want us to give

1:35:21 ↗ you I mean what would help this

1:35:23 ↗ conversation along because I'm not sure

1:35:26 ↗ I mean I think I think the dynamic is

1:35:29 ↗ you know everybody uses storage for

1:35:34 ↗ different reasons

1:35:36 ↗ I had a storage unit at one point when I

1:35:38 ↗ was in an apartment because my kayak

1:35:40 ↗ would not fit in my apartment and so I

1:35:42 ↗ had to get a storage unit just for my

1:35:44 ↗ kayak I was glad to get the house

1:35:47 ↗ because then I could move it into the

1:35:48 ↗ garage just renting a car long story you

1:35:54 ↗ know but people have furniture that

1:35:56 ↗ maybe their parents gave them that

1:35:58 ↗ doesn't fit in their place maybe they

1:36:00 ↗ think they're gonna save it for their

1:36:01 ↗ kids who are never really going to want

1:36:03 ↗ it you know there's there's a whole

1:36:04 ↗ litany of stories why people have stuff

1:36:08 ↗ we are we are a society of there's at

1:36:13 ↗ least at least one or two generations

1:36:15 ↗ where stuff was really important and

1:36:19 ↗ unfortunately they're still oh well I

1:36:21 ↗ don't say unfortunate they're still

1:36:23 ↗ around cuz I think I'm one of them so

1:36:24 ↗ you know so there's so that's the

1:36:26 ↗ dynamic is people have stuff and the

1:36:29 ↗ question is they don't go get their

1:36:32 ↗ stuff and and and deal with their stuff

1:36:34 ↗ daily most of them don't some do if

1:36:37 ↗ people if you have Costco vendors that

1:36:40 ↗ are using storage spaces to store

1:36:42 ↗ product they might be in and out of

1:36:45 ↗ their units fairly frequently but for

1:36:49 ↗ most people they put stuff there and

1:36:50 ↗ they pay their monthly lease rates and

1:36:52 ↗ they might go visit it add stuff take

1:36:55 ↗ stuff out like two times a year and so

1:37:06 ↗ it's up to the Commission if they want

1:37:11 ↗ that closed public hearing so you want

1:37:14 ↗ to open it again and allow it we've done

1:37:17 ↗ it before it's not wrong with it because

1:37:20 ↗ right now this is the the closest we

1:37:22 ↗ have to having some educate information

1:37:24 ↗ on the market so I'm a green up come on

1:37:28 ↗ mister don't you are back and storage

1:37:37 ↗ facilities the jury they use is holiday

1:37:39 ↗ season five by eights are the biggest

1:37:42 ↗ renters out in this marketplace and

1:37:44 ↗ people store their holiday stuff their

1:37:45 ↗ Easter Christmas whatever holiday

1:37:47 ↗ Halloween it's surprising but that's

1:37:50 ↗ what they use it for and so the

1:37:52 ↗ proximity to where they're at they

1:37:54 ↗ actually put their holidays and the

1:37:56 ↗ other is activities there's people that

1:37:58 ↗ will have their hunting fishing

1:38:01 ↗ scrapbooking I don't people that

1:38:03 ↗ scrapbook in their storage facility so

1:38:06 ↗ it's it's used as the garage because

1:38:11 ↗ most of garages now is we've all seen

1:38:12 ↗ are a lot smaller so you want to get you

1:38:14 ↗ know if you have your neighbors put

1:38:15 ↗ their cars in their garage which I like

1:38:17 ↗ once in a while they store them in other

1:38:19 ↗ places so in the communities

1:38:21 ↗ there's a lot of storage and out here

1:38:24 ↗ the studies have shown that the 5x8 it's

1:38:27 ↗ not the big huge ones you see but it's

1:38:29 ↗ the small ones that people who for this

1:38:30 ↗ that little extra storage so that was it

1:38:32 ↗ no Derek can I ask a question yeah what

1:38:35 ↗ are the economics of developing an

1:38:37 ↗ apartment complex with on-site storage

1:38:40 ↗ how does that well the problems the

1:38:42 ↗ reason why you don't put it in on

1:38:44 ↗ apartments as Keith alluded to is the

1:38:46 ↗ cost of subterranean parking is so

1:38:49 ↗ expensive you don't want to give up that

1:38:50 ↗ concrete that one our concrete thick

1:38:52 ↗ wall to a storage facility and they

1:38:55 ↗ don't get rented out it's interesting is

1:38:57 ↗ that storage facilities don't get rented

1:38:59 ↗ in apartments but to be a storage

1:39:01 ↗ facility right next door and they'll

1:39:02 ↗ rent their it shape cheaper off-site

1:39:04 ↗ then then develop those cheaper in the

1:39:07 ↗ development for the the renter but it's

1:39:09 ↗ more expensive for the developer because

1:39:10 ↗ you've got to put utilities mechanical

1:39:12 ↗ and things like that take them I just

1:39:13 ↗ mean to the consumer to pay for that

1:39:16 ↗ space correct typically the the

1:39:19 ↗ apartment

1:39:20 ↗ you know property manager has to charge

1:39:22 ↗ more for the space on-site then the guy

1:39:26 ↗ next door with the correct ADA storage

1:39:28 ↗ correct and they'll charge more in rent

1:39:29 ↗ because they have to spend more to do

1:39:31 ↗ the development because it does cost a

1:39:34 ↗ lot more to build the storage was still

1:39:35 ↗ the inside and apartment building that

1:39:36 ↗ does the cost just to do a standalone

1:39:37 ↗ storage facility is there anything that

1:39:39 ↗ could be done to encourage on-site

1:39:42 ↗ development from a zoning or code

1:39:45 ↗ perspective that would make that math

1:39:48 ↗ work a little easier for apartments

1:39:51 ↗ Department guys won't put them in they

1:39:53 ↗ never even they don't include him and I

1:39:55 ↗ don't know if how many were around in

1:39:56 ↗ 2003 in the development phase but that

1:39:58 ↗ was back when Seattle and Kirkland force

1:40:00 ↗ all the developers but commercial condos

1:40:01 ↗ at the base and they had a hard time

1:40:04 ↗ with that now they do it because vibrant

1:40:06 ↗ it brings in the people right so you see

1:40:09 ↗ more of that but yeah the storage

1:40:10 ↗ facilities and apartments just don't get

1:40:12 ↗ rented and it takes up a lot of space

1:40:14 ↗ and cost them too much to build it to

1:40:16 ↗ build a apartment building right how's

1:40:17 ↗ about 178 to $200 a square foot to build

1:40:20 ↗ a type 5 construction which is a

1:40:22 ↗ concrete podium and stick above it and

1:40:24 ↗ then a storage facility is about 58 to

1:40:27 ↗ 63 dollars a square foot and that's

1:40:30 ↗ pretty nice one that's the one where you

1:40:31 ↗ have the nice glass on the outside you

1:40:33 ↗ get the nice look so it's

1:40:34 ↗ concur to stick construction well

1:40:37 ↗ storage facilities usually will have

1:40:38 ↗ concrete and steel because you'll do

1:40:40 ↗ steel framing and then on the interior

1:40:42 ↗ you stay with steel so it's a longer

1:40:44 ↗ life of a facility that's why it's still

1:40:46 ↗ cheaper it's still cheaper because you

1:40:48 ↗ remember all the mechanical you know all

1:40:51 ↗ the fixtures the finishings all that the

1:40:54 ↗ drag on utilities it's it's a lot more

1:40:57 ↗ expensive to build on the apartment

1:40:58 ↗ sakes you got finishing here you're

1:40:59 ↗ building the facility put in a security

1:41:02 ↗ system so it's so it's a little

1:41:05 ↗ different so there is the demand you

1:41:06 ↗ know whether it where it goes again

1:41:07 ↗ freak take me out of it wherever it goes

1:41:09 ↗ there's still a need for it somewhere

1:41:10 ↗ along the line hope that helps thank you

1:41:15 ↗ I would rather have a nicely built

1:41:18 ↗ facility that is a nice big facility and

1:41:23 ↗ having little ones I don't think the

1:41:27 ↗ idea of saying as an accessory to is

1:41:30 ↗ really saying that there's going to be a

1:41:32 ↗ separate building to let somebody yeah I

1:41:35 ↗ think it's really saying if an apartment

1:41:37 ↗ wants to put units down in their garage

1:41:41 ↗ they're allowed to

1:41:43 ↗ well how I've developed Irish sorry I'm

1:41:45 ↗ sorry I think that'd be allowed to do

1:41:47 ↗ that anyway they're using those units

1:41:50 ↗ for the for the people who are renting

1:41:53 ↗ there I think so Joan your your concern

1:41:57 ↗ is about allowing it as an accessory use

1:41:59 ↗ I well just me I would rather see a

1:42:03 ↗ really nicely landscaped nice building

1:42:07 ↗ where there's quite a few units in it

1:42:12 ↗ than having smaller units throughout the

1:42:15 ↗ city that's just my thought Trish how

1:42:18 ↗ have as its previously been allowed and

1:42:21 ↗ the mixed-use residential with this a

1:42:23 ↗ strict how have developers been doing it

1:42:25 ↗ how has the accessory to be a permanent

1:42:27 ↗ been used in mixed juice I don't know

1:42:30 ↗ have we gotten up start unit in mixed

1:42:33 ↗ use

1:42:34 ↗ right I don't think we've gotten one in

1:42:36 ↗ central yeah with that Esther what's

1:42:39 ↗ that yeah one on Newport that looks like

1:42:43 ↗ a castle came in because there was no

1:42:46 ↗ zoning that prohibited it and so after

1:42:49 ↗ it came in it was built then they

1:42:51 ↗ changed the zoning they didn't allow

1:42:53 ↗ that to continue so that's not a castle

1:43:00 ↗ I think that's why we really need to

1:43:03 ↗ look at the zone and see what we want

1:43:06 ↗ any where you want huge thing so again I

1:43:11 ↗ think the only argument I'll make Joan

1:43:13 ↗ and this is repeating the conversation

1:43:16 ↗ Lindsey and I were having if if the kids

1:43:20 ↗ if your concern is what we need to have

1:43:22 ↗ a storage somewhere I absolutely agree

1:43:24 ↗ and then and I don't think we should ban

1:43:26 ↗ it in the whole city

1:43:28 ↗ it's it specifically doesn't belong in

1:43:30 ↗ central Iowa so I think I think if your

1:43:33 ↗ concern is well there's a legitimate

1:43:35 ↗ need in the community first for storage

1:43:37 ↗ I think I think I can I think you can

1:43:39 ↗ absolutely agree with that sentiment

1:43:41 ↗ we're just saying we're just specifying

1:43:43 ↗ particular parts of the city where it's

1:43:45 ↗ not the best use there's still I think

1:43:47 ↗ everyone and the Commission would agree

1:43:48 ↗ that that it's okay that there would be

1:43:51 ↗ more so storage being built in a circle

1:43:53 ↗ as it continues to grow we're just

1:43:55 ↗ trying to choose where that is yes I

1:43:57 ↗ think that's all or you might come out

1:44:01 ↗ of there different ways but I think

1:44:02 ↗ that's all we're all trying to get right

1:44:04 ↗ there as we allow it and everything and

1:44:08 ↗ nothing where do you want to be specific

1:44:11 ↗ this is up to you to look at so we had

1:44:15 ↗ one motion three or three we can have

1:44:19 ↗ additional motions your change to add to

1:44:24 ↗ do whatever you want so you want to come

1:44:26 ↗ up with a decision tonight or do you

1:44:29 ↗ want to go back and look at the areas of

1:44:33 ↗ the city and say yes and no I don't want

1:44:35 ↗ it here you

1:44:36 ↗ want this what do you want to make a

1:44:37 ↗ decision so it's up to you so Lindsay I

1:44:40 ↗ was going to move to have the

1:44:45 ↗ administration come back in our next

1:44:47 ↗ meeting with more information on the

1:44:50 ↗ demand or is self storage units because

1:44:56 ↗ I think the thing that's driving this is

1:44:58 ↗ a concern that we're going to get a lot

1:45:02 ↗ of cell storage units all at once and so

1:45:06 ↗ I think we need a little bit more

1:45:07 ↗ information about that to say is that a

1:45:11 ↗ valid you're shaking your head I'm not

1:45:15 ↗ sure so you know I think we can talk to

1:45:20 ↗ people who are interested in doing that

1:45:22 ↗ we can talk to the developer who's

1:45:26 ↗ building the one on Gilman and try and

1:45:29 ↗ get information I there's it's not like

1:45:32 ↗ I can call storage R Us and they'll tell

1:45:35 ↗ me that hey here's the demand in

1:45:37 ↗ Issaquah you know and and and that'll be

1:45:39 ↗ satisfied by three or four new storage

1:45:41 ↗ facilities right I mean I don't know

1:45:44 ↗ that that kind of information exists

1:45:45 ↗ Derrick might know otherwise and you may

1:45:49 ↗ or may not want to share that cost per

1:45:51 ↗ square foot price per square foot we

1:45:55 ↗ just suggest that there's a high demand

1:45:57 ↗ but maybe I'm wrong in the idea that I

1:46:02 ↗ thought this was coming up at this point

1:46:04 ↗ because the moratorium is ending and we

1:46:07 ↗ want to potentially preclude large

1:46:11 ↗ influx preclude or bend it right I mean

1:46:15 ↗ so the question is is yes if if we I

1:46:21 ↗ think what we believe to be true is that

1:46:24 ↗ right now and you heard it tonight right

1:46:26 ↗ now there is demand for additional

1:46:28 ↗ storage units in our community if if we

1:46:33 ↗ preclude it throughout our community

1:46:34 ↗ then they will go that demand will be

1:46:38 ↗ transferred to North Bend or Snoqualmie

1:46:40 ↗ or Bellevue or somewhere else or

1:46:42 ↗ Sammamish yes

1:46:47 ↗ so you could build it in the highlands

1:46:50 ↗ you could build it in talus you could

1:46:53 ↗ build it in icy outside of central or

1:46:56 ↗ maybe even inside of central so that's

1:47:02 ↗ kind of where you'd be limited to I

1:47:06 ↗ don't think we have to worry about the

1:47:08 ↗ demand I think our job is to look and

1:47:11 ↗ see which areas it fits

1:47:14 ↗ you know Ron said you can always come

1:47:18 ↗ back and change things you don't want to

1:47:20 ↗ do that if you want to come up in with a

1:47:22 ↗ good idea of what you want but I think

1:47:27 ↗ that I don't I don't care how much

1:47:29 ↗ demand it is for all I know no more will

1:47:33 ↗ be built or there'll be 12 in the areas

1:47:36 ↗ that you believe they should go in

1:47:40 ↗ you're looking at a vision where do you

1:47:44 ↗ want this to be how do you want the

1:47:47 ↗ communities to be set up so you know I

1:47:52 ↗ don't care about Costco I think Costco

1:47:54 ↗ can take care of themselves I I know

1:47:58 ↗ that I have a lot of clients that you

1:48:02 ↗ know they're moving in and out of

1:48:03 ↗ housing they want it for two months

1:48:04 ↗ three months and they're gone

1:48:06 ↗ so they need that but they don't look

1:48:09 ↗ they don't go and see it every day they

1:48:11 ↗ put it there when they move they move at

1:48:12 ↗ once but where does it fit in the city

1:48:16 ↗ that's the only question so we're

1:48:21 ↗ continuing to have the conversation but

1:48:23 ↗ I think what we need to be talking about

1:48:25 ↗ now is what our next step is as far as

1:48:29 ↗ emotion are we I don't I don't think

1:48:33 ↗ we're gonna learn anything more from the

1:48:35 ↗ staff so I think my my suggestion is if

1:48:39 ↗ the three you guys aren't gonna aren't

1:48:42 ↗ gonna support the existing motion we

1:48:44 ↗ forward it at that three three we come

1:48:46 ↗ up with enough

1:48:47 ↗ motion but I don't think there is

1:48:49 ↗ another motion well is there anything

1:48:51 ↗ from the three of you I'll make a motion

1:48:53 ↗ to preclude all storage within central

1:48:57 ↗ Issaquah so basically taking it out so

1:48:59 ↗ not having it in front the East Lake

1:49:01 ↗ Sammamish I'm taking the staff

1:49:02 ↗ suggestion except for I'm taking out

1:49:04 ↗ their amendment of Lake Sammamish

1:49:06 ↗ Parkway southeast so that's the same as

1:49:09 ↗ mine but then dropping that drive use

1:49:13 ↗ now second down it's more extreme yeah

1:49:29 ↗ okay I don't know the motions been

1:49:33 ↗ seconded okay so the motions but

1:49:37 ↗ seconded all those in favor say aye

1:49:38 ↗ I mind you post John 3:3 you know we've

1:49:58 ↗ done this twice now it's come out the

1:50:00 ↗ same so I don't think that unless we're

1:50:02 ↗ really different we're gonna come up

1:50:04 ↗ with a different emotion so I propose

1:50:07 ↗ that we send it on three two three and

1:50:10 ↗ has everybody who voted so that was your

1:50:12 ↗ motion is somebody gonna second that

1:50:14 ↗ I'll second that

1:50:16 ↗ I can't make a motion so oh go for it I

1:50:20 ↗ motion that we move to put our

1:50:24 ↗ discussion forward to Council as a split

1:50:26 ↗ decision saying that we have you know

1:50:29 ↗ basically representing that we have one

1:50:30 ↗ group saying we don't see this as being

1:50:32 ↗ what we want to have in central and

1:50:35 ↗ another group saying we want to be able

1:50:37 ↗ to let the market drive and have the

1:50:40 ↗ most economic vitality possible and put

1:50:43 ↗ it to them have a second second

1:50:46 ↗ all those in favor say aye aye Russian

1:50:50 ↗ Karen's awesome thank you guys

1:50:53 ↗ when are they gonna talk about that

1:50:57 ↗ April 19th

1:50:59 ↗ are you more things for us to go and

1:51:02 ↗ talk to April 19th will be 8 it's a big

1:51:04 ↗ day I've been in council committee

1:51:06 ↗ meeting happening that Spring Break okay

1:51:12 ↗ I don't like Spring Breaks I don't know

1:51:15 ↗ okay so we have one more on okay I've

1:51:22 ↗ lost control there one more thing on the

1:51:25 ↗ docket mess easy use I gotta run so

1:51:28 ↗ sorry

1:51:30 ↗ crisp tonight you would like to think

1:51:35 ↗ about what we talked about John so

1:51:41 ↗ Kristen would like to tell us all about

1:51:44 ↗ ad use I would very much so just right

1:51:48 ↗ this way accessory dwelling units I hate

1:51:50 ↗ the word subordinate but that's what

1:51:52 ↗ they are they're subordinate dwelling

1:51:53 ↗ units that are added to created within

1:51:55 ↗ or detached from a single-family primary

1:51:57 ↗ residence with a separate entrance that

1:52:01 ↗ provides basic requirements for living

1:52:02 ↗ and when we look at when we okay

1:52:06 ↗ accessory dwelling units in in it within

1:52:09 ↗ our department and within the city it

1:52:11 ↗ really becomes an accessory dwelling in

1:52:12 ↗ it when it has a cooking unit when it

1:52:14 ↗ has a stove and oven they're not just a

1:52:17 ↗ microwave that's plugged in a stove in

1:52:18 ↗ an oven do they have their own address

1:52:21 ↗ they do then they're required to have

1:52:23 ↗ their own address but you cannot buy

1:52:25 ↗ them separately correct it is rented out

1:52:29 ↗ so up here I have samples the first time

1:52:31 ↗ these are all in Issaquah the first on

1:52:34 ↗ the left is a detached you can barely

1:52:36 ↗ see that other roof sticking up behind

1:52:37 ↗ it there's a basement this one's in

1:52:40 ↗ Tallis it's down below in the back and

1:52:42 ↗ then this one in also in Old Town is

1:52:44 ↗ over the garage

1:52:47 ↗ so you may recall that you worked on a

1:52:50 ↗ housing strategy in 2017 with other

1:52:52 ↗ commissions and the City Council adopted

1:52:54 ↗ it in September 2017 there were nine

1:52:57 ↗ strategies involved in the housing plan

1:52:58 ↗ this is focused on the first strategy

1:53:02 ↗ the first strategy says remove barriers

1:53:05 ↗ to facilitate the construction of 80 use

1:53:07 ↗ accessory dwelling units particularly

1:53:10 ↗ processing and cost so some of the

1:53:15 ↗ policy issues that came up were ad use

1:53:17 ↗ are intended to be an accessory unit so

1:53:19 ↗ keep it that way

1:53:20 ↗ city code should encourage the creation

1:53:23 ↗ of a to use while respecting the

1:53:24 ↗ neighborhoods where they live where they

1:53:25 ↗ are located

1:53:27 ↗ particularly the parking entrances and

1:53:30 ↗ consider allowing them into all

1:53:32 ↗ neighborhoods the city should seek

1:53:34 ↗ opportunities to minimize the regulatory

1:53:36 ↗ costs for the construction of a to use

1:53:38 ↗ and actions can include permitting

1:53:40 ↗ process continued exemption of impact

1:53:42 ↗ fees and connection to utilities so this

1:53:45 ↗ is where our primary focus is going to

1:53:46 ↗ be tonight and then the last one is the

1:53:48 ↗ sitter city will consider ways to help

1:53:50 ↗ promote ad use and get more people who

1:53:52 ↗ want to develop those so some of the

1:53:57 ↗ benefits of ad use why do them they

1:53:59 ↗ create affordable housing options they

1:54:03 ↗ foster and support extended families so

1:54:05 ↗ maybe you need a place for your mom or

1:54:07 ↗ your kids are coming back home after

1:54:08 ↗ college and you don't want them in the

1:54:09 ↗ house they're going to the ad you allow

1:54:13 ↗ family members primarily older adults to

1:54:16 ↗ live independently at a reduced cost

1:54:18 ↗ potentially qualifies first-time

1:54:20 ↗ homebuyers for larger home loans

1:54:22 ↗ provides an extra income for them or it

1:54:25 ↗ have more choices in using your home and

1:54:27 ↗ provides extra income for mortgage

1:54:29 ↗ payments home repairs anything that you

1:54:31 ↗ may need to get done so our existing

1:54:34 ↗ code requires a land use permit which is

1:54:37 ↗ a level one in addition to the building

1:54:40 ↗ permit that they have to get a covenant

1:54:42 ↗ must be recorded with the county saying

1:54:45 ↗ that we have an Adu here a property

1:54:48 ↗ owner lives in one of the units either

1:54:50 ↗ in the primary residence or they ATU

1:54:53 ↗ that this is the address and that if we

1:54:56 ↗ violate any codes we agree to get rid of

1:54:58 ↗ the ad you

1:55:00 ↗ one-eighty you provide might just

1:55:02 ↗ started with that one a tu is allowed

1:55:04 ↗ per legal lot so you can't have one in

1:55:06 ↗ your basement and one above your garage

1:55:08 ↗ it's one or the other you cannot exceed

1:55:11 ↗ more than 40% of the total square

1:55:13 ↗ footage of the ad you and the primary

1:55:15 ↗ residence combined the door can may be

1:55:18 ↗ located on the front or the side but it

1:55:21 ↗ has to be screened so the idea is that

1:55:23 ↗ you don't want it to look like a duplex

1:55:26 ↗ AJ I don't get it and and one off street

1:55:31 ↗ parking space is required what don't you

1:55:32 ↗ get what screened the screening yeah so

1:55:36 ↗ just kind of you don't want it you want

1:55:38 ↗ them you want the view to be mitigated

1:55:40 ↗ from the street so you want it to still

1:55:42 ↗ look like a single-family house so you

1:55:44 ↗ might have the door off to the side of

1:55:46 ↗ the front but you puts you know you put

1:55:48 ↗ some lattice work you know and slants up

1:55:51 ↗ in front what's what's yeah okay now I

1:55:53 ↗ get the screen what's wrong with it

1:55:55 ↗ looking like a duplex

1:55:57 ↗ it changes the character it starts to

1:56:00 ↗ look more multifamily and maybe more

1:56:02 ↗ rental and xxx is generally allowed

1:56:05 ↗ they're allowed well they're allowed in

1:56:07 ↗ the single-family duplex zone that's it

1:56:11 ↗ and ad user allowed pretty much

1:56:15 ↗ everywhere so so we started this I got

1:56:21 ↗ to tell you this is this was out of my

1:56:22 ↗ wheelhouse

1:56:22 ↗ so this goes everywhere it touches

1:56:24 ↗ engineering and building and billing and

1:56:27 ↗ permitting and stuff that I haven't done

1:56:30 ↗ before so I don't know if this will help

1:56:31 ↗ you but it helped me so we looked at all

1:56:33 ↗ the different kind of issues that were

1:56:34 ↗ out there we had additional water meters

1:56:37 ↗ required for different reasons we had a

1:56:40 ↗ lack of education and marketing there

1:56:44 ↗ were people that who couldn't do an Adu

1:56:47 ↗ because of the forty percent requirement

1:56:48 ↗ maybe they wanted to convert a basement

1:56:50 ↗ but if 40 percent meant that they had a

1:56:53 ↗ hundred square feet over here on the

1:56:55 ↗ side of the basement they didn't know

1:56:56 ↗ what to do with it so that was a barrier

1:56:58 ↗ it was also hard to calculate ad use can

1:57:01 ↗ be hard for emergency crews to find

1:57:03 ↗ there was elimination of an Adu that

1:57:06 ↗ came up recently that the process wasn't

1:57:07 ↗ clear on how to do that

1:57:09 ↗ um I already have that one up there i

1:57:12 ↗ duplicated a few things um

1:57:15 ↗ owner occupancy came up do we want to

1:57:17 ↗ require owner occupancy lack of

1:57:20 ↗ character said is that is that an issue

1:57:22 ↗ it kind of goes to AJ's question and

1:57:25 ↗ then parking that had come up a couple

1:57:28 ↗ of times thinking that people were

1:57:30 ↗ parking on the streets so why did you

1:57:32 ↗ mark the final three is not an issue

1:57:34 ↗ well I was gonna go through those um so

1:57:37 ↗ let me start at the top additional water

1:57:39 ↗ meters that can add about $15,000 to the

1:57:43 ↗ cost of an ad use so we said that needs

1:57:45 ↗ to be addressed and we've done it we

1:57:46 ↗ won't really talk about it tonight

1:57:47 ↗ that's an administrative amendment we

1:57:49 ↗ are no longer requiring that you have a

1:57:52 ↗ second meter now if you have more

1:57:55 ↗ fixtures than your current meter can

1:57:56 ↗ allow you may have to upgrade your meter

1:57:59 ↗ but we're not going to require it a

1:58:01 ↗ second one just automatically they're

1:58:03 ↗ often treated as duplexes too so that's

1:58:05 ↗ part of it so we're going to clarify

1:58:06 ↗ some just documents that we have in

1:58:10 ↗ house this treated as a duplex and so

1:58:12 ↗ that they don't have to do that

1:58:15 ↗ education is clear we just we need to

1:58:17 ↗ educate people on that you can do it

1:58:20 ↗ here's how you do it so we'll do that

1:58:23 ↗ I'm the convert the entire floor I think

1:58:27 ↗ I talked about that one why that was

1:58:29 ↗ difficult that's a code amendment that

1:58:30 ↗ we'll talk about hard for emergency

1:58:32 ↗ crews to find fire requires automat

1:58:35 ↗ right now that they've already put in a

1:58:36 ↗ 4-foot walkway it's not in the land

1:58:38 ↗ whose code we want to see it there

1:58:39 ↗ anyway as part of the character as well

1:58:41 ↗ so we're doing that as a code amendment

1:58:43 ↗ or we're proposing that and when I am

1:58:47 ↗ elimination of the ATU is a process but

1:58:49 ↗ it's also code amendment um but the last

1:58:51 ↗ ones let me skip down to owner occupancy

1:58:53 ↗ we decided that was not an issue we won

1:58:55 ↗ owner occupancy because you feel like

1:58:56 ↗ people tend to feel like properties are

1:59:00 ↗ going to be given more attention if the

1:59:01 ↗ owner lives there whereas if the owner

1:59:04 ↗ lives in Colorado and you've got renters

1:59:06 ↗ in the that are there they may not take

1:59:09 ↗ the same kind of care of the house or

1:59:10 ↗ the yard that the owner would do and

1:59:15 ↗ looked at 47 different cities and of

1:59:18 ↗ those only 10 did not require owner

1:59:20 ↗ occupancy it's the general feeling

1:59:22 ↗ across-the-board lack of character we

1:59:25 ↗ decided wasn't really it wasn't really

1:59:26 ↗ an issue and we've kind of found a way

1:59:28 ↗ to address that if it does we'll get

1:59:29 ↗ that to that in a minute we hadn't heard

1:59:32 ↗ any complaints about it and I same thing

1:59:33 ↗ with parking and it came up that it

1:59:35 ↗ means additional on street parking but

1:59:38 ↗ it doesn't there have been no complaint

1:59:40 ↗ to talk to code enforcement nothing's

1:59:41 ↗ come up regarding that so we decided not

1:59:44 ↗ to address that one at this time so as I

1:59:48 ↗ kind of mentioned as a three-part

1:59:49 ↗ process we have the code amendments that

1:59:50 ↗ we'll talk about and that is under your

1:59:52 ↗ purview so that is what your

1:59:53 ↗ recommendation is regarding tonight

1:59:54 ↗ their administrative amendments that I

1:59:57 ↗ talked about that we will that we're

1:59:59 ↗ doing in-house currently marketing and

2:00:01 ↗ outreach we are going to work on that

2:00:03 ↗ which arch and the other arch cities

2:00:05 ↗ because this has become a regional issue

2:00:06 ↗ as well as potentially financing this

2:00:10 ↗ came up through arch and it's making

2:00:13 ↗ banks more aware of it and what a

2:00:15 ↗ benefit it is to the property owners but

2:00:17 ↗ it's also potentially an Arthur's here

2:00:20 ↗ just talked about it to you but looking

2:00:23 ↗ at ways to potentially help finance

2:00:27 ↗ these and help owner homeowners build a

2:00:29 ↗ to use whether it be a regional thing

2:00:31 ↗ like our trust fund that we have

2:00:32 ↗ currently or cities suing it

2:00:34 ↗ independently so I'm starting this is

2:00:39 ↗ what you this is under your purview so

2:00:41 ↗ the first amendment that we're proposing

2:00:43 ↗ is a single fan just adding

2:00:44 ↗ clarification in here that a single

2:00:46 ↗ family structure with an accessory

2:00:48 ↗ dwelling unit is not considered to be a

2:00:49 ↗ duplex that way it's in code and not

2:00:52 ↗ just in our internal documents so it's

2:00:54 ↗ out there that that addresses the extra

2:00:58 ↗ meter thing this is kind of small but

2:01:02 ↗ this changes it from a level one process

2:01:05 ↗ to a level zero process which means that

2:01:07 ↗ all they have to get is a building

2:01:09 ↗ permit not a land you not a land use

2:01:10 ↗ permit and this knocks off about eight

2:01:13 ↗ weeks from their time and it also knocks

2:01:15 ↗ off about $500 from the permitting

2:01:17 ↗ process so while this really isn't under

2:01:20 ↗ I mean this is a different part of the

2:01:21 ↗ code but you can see here we've knocked

2:01:24 ↗ off the $500 but

2:01:26 ↗ we are giving them the option to do so

2:01:29 ↗ right now they could do a

2:01:30 ↗ pre-application meeting but it would

2:01:31 ↗ cost them $2,500 so we're saying now you

2:01:35 ↗ have the option if you would like to do

2:01:36 ↗ a pre-application meeting but it's only

2:01:38 ↗ going to cost you 250 now before that

2:01:41 ↗ there's also if they want to do at a

2:01:42 ↗ collaboration meeting which cost nothing

2:01:44 ↗ this just formalizes it and make sure

2:01:46 ↗ that all the departments so it's

2:01:47 ↗ optional

2:01:53 ↗ oh this clarifies that it initially said

2:01:56 ↗ that it can only be located within a

2:01:58 ↗ single-family house and this says that

2:02:00 ↗ it can be within or detached from and

2:02:02 ↗ then the other part down here is the

2:02:05 ↗ grandfathering and existing dwellings

2:02:07 ↗ there are I know lots of ad use located

2:02:11 ↗ in the city that are that do not have

2:02:12 ↗ covenants therefore they are not legal a

2:02:14 ↗ to use this hopes this gives them a

2:02:17 ↗ process by which they can legalize it it

2:02:19 ↗ adds value to their home if they do

2:02:22 ↗ legalize it and so this just we didn't

2:02:24 ↗ have a process in place so this is part

2:02:26 ↗ of it part of that would include they

2:02:28 ↗ have to do an inspection with that that

2:02:30 ↗ gets attached to a building permit and

2:02:32 ↗ then we have a record of it and it's all

2:02:33 ↗ hunky-dory right well this goes back to

2:02:38 ↗ the elimination we had a something come

2:02:41 ↗ up recently and they thought they

2:02:42 ↗ eliminated and they hadn't this adds

2:02:43 ↗ process and what we did is it requires

2:02:46 ↗ an inspection to ensure the removal of

2:02:48 ↗ the stove oven unit that kitchen piece

2:02:52 ↗ and also has to be recorded with the

2:02:54 ↗ county and that has to be shown to us

2:02:59 ↗ this goes to the size so I explained

2:03:02 ↗ part of the issue with the forty forty

2:03:04 ↗ percent excuse me it's hard for people

2:03:09 ↗ to calculate it's hard for applicants to

2:03:11 ↗ calculate and so what we're proposing is

2:03:14 ↗ just simply you cannot exceed a thousand

2:03:16 ↗ square feet and the thousand isn't a

2:03:19 ↗ random number it's what is used

2:03:20 ↗ currently and will continue to be used

2:03:23 ↗ in Issaquah Highlands and talus so it's

2:03:25 ↗ consistent with what they have they can

2:03:28 ↗ they could go over that thousand square

2:03:31 ↗ feet if it's located on a single floor

2:03:34 ↗ and the increased square footage makes

2:03:35 ↗ more efficient use of that space like

2:03:37 ↗ the basement scenario

2:03:39 ↗ and if the ATU has outside walls and

2:03:42 ↗ increased size that will allow for

2:03:43 ↗ architectural elements to help it blend

2:03:45 ↗ better with in the neighborhood so that

2:03:46 ↗ goes to addressing the character that we

2:03:48 ↗ talked about earlier I think this is

2:03:53 ↗ really elegant this is nice okay okay

2:03:57 ↗ this addresses the four-foot wide

2:03:59 ↗ walkway it's currently addressed by fire

2:04:01 ↗ but it's not obvious to property owners

2:04:02 ↗ when they walk in that they have to do

2:04:04 ↗ it so we're just including it in the

2:04:05 ↗ code and it does have to be on the

2:04:07 ↗ address side of the street so that fire

2:04:09 ↗ I can't remember who asked if it had to

2:04:12 ↗ be addressed but so that fire can find

2:04:15 ↗ them from the street side so that's it

2:04:21 ↗ for the proposed code amendments um I

2:04:22 ↗ talked about the other pieces of the

2:04:27 ↗ $15,000 and clarifying all that

2:04:28 ↗ paperwork in-house and we're also

2:04:30 ↗ planning on doing a step by step this is

2:04:33 ↗ how you do it and if this happens then

2:04:35 ↗ this may happen just to let them know

2:04:37 ↗ that it's not as clean-cut as it may

2:04:39 ↗ look you know you might have to increase

2:04:40 ↗ the size of your meter or you might have

2:04:42 ↗ to do something else that you to meet

2:04:44 ↗ code and working with arch is another

2:04:48 ↗ piece of this and other jurisdictions

2:04:53 ↗ that's all I have next steps are gonna

2:04:56 ↗ follow the hotels and storage units so

2:05:00 ↗ they go to land ashore commit land

2:05:03 ↗ ashore on April 19th and then back to

2:05:06 ↗ Council on May 7th and then we will

2:05:08 ↗ continue to work with arch and the other

2:05:10 ↗ jurisdictions throughout 2017 and 2018

2:05:12 ↗ Arthur I've been doing all the talking

2:05:16 ↗ you haven't going to say and the public

2:05:20 ↗ here I didn't know if he had a piece of

2:05:22 ↗ this presentation though he did add on

2:05:23 ↗ to do you want to say anything okay yes

2:05:35 ↗ okay so you don't have that - okay so

2:05:38 ↗ but there is still I have to open the

2:05:42 ↗ public hearing at 8:37 and ask if

2:05:46 ↗ there's anybody that would like to speak

2:05:53 ↗ okay so Connie Marsh interestingly one

2:05:58 ↗ of these went to river and streams a

2:05:59 ↗ couple of days ago because they want to

2:06:02 ↗ do an ad you in a 100 percent

2:06:05 ↗ constrained critical area property so

2:06:10 ↗ that I I don't think you should have an

2:06:15 ↗ accessory dwelling unit allowed in a

2:06:18 ↗ 100% critical area constrained

2:06:20 ↗ properties and when you say how they can

2:06:23 ↗ expand I don't think that we want them

2:06:27 ↗ to expand into the critical areas to

2:06:30 ↗ actually harm the environment as the

2:06:32 ↗ extra unit of a parcel we want to have

2:06:38 ↗ them but we don't want to have negative

2:06:39 ↗ impacts from them right so I don't know

2:06:43 ↗ how it resolved I I didn't get to go to

2:06:45 ↗ that meeting there was another one

2:06:46 ↗ happening so did that make sense though

2:06:52 ↗ seeing no other people willing to

2:06:55 ↗ comment I'm going to close the public

2:06:57 ↗ hearing it 839 and open it up for

2:07:05 ↗ questions I've got quite a few questions

2:07:11 ↗ so one I would like to address parking

2:07:15 ↗ we have one in my neighborhood we have

2:07:19 ↗ one unit that has a accessory dwelling

2:07:21 ↗ unit installed and they basically

2:07:26 ↗ thumbed their nose at the whole parking

2:07:28 ↗ thing and they park on the street after

2:07:30 ↗ the police have already told them they

2:07:32 ↗ cannot but the police will not cite them

2:07:35 ↗ well we have a resident and

2:07:38 ↗ the address layer but they actually do

2:07:40 ↗ Park on the street and we've got another

2:07:43 ↗ neighbor who wants to build a necessary

2:07:45 ↗ dwelling unit and they are using the

2:07:47 ↗ same argument they don't have enough

2:07:49 ↗ parking beyond there for their own unit

2:07:53 ↗ and so they are gonna put the accessory

2:07:56 ↗ dwelling unit on the street as well so I

2:07:59 ↗ think parking will be abused it may not

2:08:02 ↗ be an issue globally yet but I think it

2:08:07 ↗ will be too the other question I have is

2:08:09 ↗ about furnace central or a separate

2:08:12 ↗ heating unit if we have a conversion to

2:08:17 ↗ an assessment dwelling unit how are they

2:08:19 ↗ going to get heat would it be separate

2:08:21 ↗ from the housing unit and would it be or

2:08:24 ↗ would it be the same that's covered

2:08:26 ↗ under the building code way out of my

2:08:28 ↗ purview but they're required to have it

2:08:29 ↗ and there are standards that set up how

2:08:31 ↗ that is done safely and correctly but

2:08:34 ↗ that's out of my purview and as for the

2:08:35 ↗ parking every Adu so every single family

2:08:40 ↗ home is required to have two off-street

2:08:42 ↗ parking spaces every Adu is required to

2:08:46 ↗ have one off street parking space do you

2:08:48 ↗ see the first half again every door

2:08:50 ↗ every single family dwelling unit is

2:08:52 ↗ required to have two off street parking

2:08:54 ↗ spaces so if I have a one-bedroom house

2:08:58 ↗ and I want to expand it to make it a

2:09:00 ↗ three-bedroom house do I have to

2:09:02 ↗ generate any additional parking spots I

2:09:04 ↗ don't think so because your one-bedroom

2:09:07 ↗ house what if had to have had two in the

2:09:08 ↗ first class but if I think the same

2:09:10 ↗ one-bedroom house and then I expanded it

2:09:13 ↗ become a two-bedroom house with an Adu I

2:09:17 ↗ know I've got a parking spot even though

2:09:19 ↗ the house is the exact same size with

2:09:21 ↗ the exact sent over bedrooms yes yes and

2:09:23 ↗ no it has to be off street so if your

2:09:25 ↗ driveway is long enough and off the

2:09:27 ↗ street to accommodate and your garage if

2:09:29 ↗ you can accommodate all three cars

2:09:31 ↗ between your garage and it's paved

2:09:32 ↗ between your garage and a driveway that

2:09:35 ↗ isn't long enough to keep it off the

2:09:37 ↗ street that qualifies okay now I get

2:09:39 ↗ that but I just wanted to buy sort of

2:09:40 ↗ that I was more bad than that question

2:09:42 ↗ to make a point I feel like adding

2:09:44 ↗ adding bedrooms does not require parking

2:09:47 ↗ correct but adding a to use does require

2:09:50 ↗ parking

2:09:55 ↗ you know the other question is as far as

2:10:00 ↗ firewall like this is partly getting

2:10:02 ↗ into the code but if you have a my

2:10:07 ↗ neighbor is really common to have

2:10:08 ↗ daylight basements and they were

2:10:09 ↗ converted to finished basements if you

2:10:15 ↗ have you rent out the bottom floor

2:10:18 ↗ wouldn't you have to put in fire

2:10:22 ↗ protection on the door itself you are

2:10:25 ↗ and arthur latched on to this better

2:10:27 ↗ than i did he might remember it better

2:10:28 ↗ but you are no longer required to have

2:10:30 ↗ the three hour firewall between the two

2:10:33 ↗ units if something if it's an

2:10:39 ↗ owner-occupied a to you yeah okay

2:10:42 ↗ which gets my second question or my

2:10:44 ↗ third question and that is if you build

2:10:48 ↗ a unit to have an accessory dwelling

2:10:51 ↗ unit and that is then sold and someone

2:10:55 ↗ purchases that with the accessory

2:10:57 ↗ dwelling unit and decides I'm gonna live

2:10:59 ↗ here at first and then oh I'm gonna move

2:11:01 ↗ and I'm gonna rent both units out part

2:11:07 ↗ of the Covenant is that they are

2:11:09 ↗ required to let any future owners know

2:11:12 ↗ that there is an Adu located there and

2:11:14 ↗ then that owner that new owner is

2:11:17 ↗ responsible for compliant you know

2:11:21 ↗ maintaining compliance with our codes

2:11:22 ↗ and standards if that doesn't happen and

2:11:24 ↗ if we hear about a code violation then

2:11:26 ↗ they are required to remove that ad you

2:11:36 ↗ everything said was accurate I just

2:11:39 ↗ wanted to point out that's one of the

2:11:40 ↗ primary purposes of the recorded

2:11:42 ↗ agreement so that when people are buying

2:11:45 ↗ a home they see a record agreement and

2:11:47 ↗ in that record the green meeting has the

2:11:49 ↗ clarification that one of the units must

2:11:52 ↗ be owner occupied so that's another way

2:11:54 ↗ to help because banks etcetera are

2:11:56 ↗ looking at that document so it's a way

2:11:58 ↗ to help reinforce that requirement

2:12:01 ↗ anybody else I had some questions that

2:12:06 ↗ were specifically about the

2:12:07 ↗ grandfathering in of units that are

2:12:11 ↗ right now not in compliance so let's say

2:12:13 ↗ you go you want to make your gonna

2:12:15 ↗ comply n't you you don't you don't fit

2:12:19 ↗ like for instance the four-foot code for

2:12:21 ↗ Fire and Rescue what options do you have

2:12:24 ↗ well that is why we would require the

2:12:26 ↗ inspection prior to accepting that

2:12:29 ↗ covenant they would have to come up to

2:12:32 ↗ code right so one of the reasons that we

2:12:35 ↗ wanted to have this be an action item is

2:12:38 ↗ because it was specifically to efest for

2:12:40 ↗ affordable housing to be able to have

2:12:41 ↗ people age in place to be you know so

2:12:43 ↗ we're talking about a vulnerable

2:12:45 ↗ population who are asking to then say if

2:12:48 ↗ they're out of compliance to then

2:12:51 ↗ register to say and then they don't meet

2:12:54 ↗ their inspection and then they're now

2:12:56 ↗ out what they've been doing in the

2:12:58 ↗ shadows is there anything that we have

2:13:01 ↗ for people who are in a situation who

2:13:03 ↗ are not able to get compliant how to

2:13:04 ↗ help them not at this time and that

2:13:07 ↗ would be part of the financing piece

2:13:09 ↗ that we would talk about with arch and

2:13:11 ↗ all the other regional cities we're

2:13:13 ↗ talking about things like taking out a

2:13:14 ↗ $500 fee from changing the level and

2:13:18 ↗ then you on the next one you have things

2:13:19 ↗ talking about how to make it more

2:13:21 ↗ attractive like a bay window maybe

2:13:23 ↗ windows are far more expensive than the

2:13:24 ↗ five hundred dollars they've saved so

2:13:27 ↗ well the requirement is a thing of

2:13:30 ↗ saying hey how can we like help make

2:13:31 ↗ them more attractive in our community

2:13:33 ↗ I'm not seeing how we're actually

2:13:34 ↗ helping vulnerable people in our

2:13:36 ↗ community from this this is to me looks

2:13:38 ↗ a lot like compliance of the city better

2:13:41 ↗ charting the accessory dwelling units

2:13:43 ↗ that we have that we want to then incur

2:13:46 ↗ courage than being built but it's not

2:13:48 ↗ actually helping the affordable housing

2:13:50 ↗ piece that we were trying to target

2:13:52 ↗ getting them in here period helps the

2:13:55 ↗ affordable housing piece because it's a

2:13:57 ↗ good way to get a smaller unit for

2:14:00 ↗ someone who can't afford something over

2:14:02 ↗ an Atlas or a bigger building that's

2:14:03 ↗ been built so just getting more of those

2:14:06 ↗ in the city helps to address that in the

2:14:07 ↗ first place so that helps by adding

2:14:09 ↗ units that don't exist and I have yet to

2:14:12 ↗ be built correct I am curious about

2:14:14 ↗ units they currently exist situations

2:14:16 ↗ that are currently non-compliant with

2:14:18 ↗ what we're moving forward with and are

2:14:20 ↗ for situations that are for residents

2:14:22 ↗ that are low-income how do we help this

2:14:26 ↗ merging of situations I'm not seeing

2:14:28 ↗ absolution if they if they want to be if

2:14:30 ↗ it's if they choose to become a legal

2:14:32 ↗ unit okay so just to try to clarify on

2:14:38 ↗ one of your points the city is removing

2:14:42 ↗ the $500 fee requirement yeah and the

2:14:45 ↗ 250 is optional that's only like if you

2:14:47 ↗ have a complex situation and there's a

2:14:49 ↗ lot of staff involved it's like maybe

2:14:51 ↗ it's easier to sit down so there's no

2:14:53 ↗ you're not compliant no no that's that's

2:14:56 ↗ that's an optional provision for any

2:14:59 ↗ situation

2:15:00 ↗ so there's right now as drafted there is

2:15:03 ↗ no explicit code application costs

2:15:07 ↗ related to getting the ATU right the way

2:15:13 ↗ it's drafted so so for high quality it

2:15:17 ↗ is not compliant and I want to make it

2:15:19 ↗ compliant but I don't have the funds to

2:15:21 ↗ be able to get it up to code what are my

2:15:24 ↗ options at this point there isn't an

2:15:27 ↗ option for a person and that's why we

2:15:29 ↗ added the financing tool and it was the

2:15:32 ↗ financing tool was where it can then

2:15:35 ↗ come from quote art she came from

2:15:36 ↗ similar conversations in other cities

2:15:38 ↗ with the point you just made and the

2:15:40 ↗ thought was is there what any way to try

2:15:43 ↗ to create a financing program that might

2:15:45 ↗ help people are more limited basis to be

2:15:47 ↗ able to create units we tried to do

2:15:50 ↗ something about ten years ago with King

2:15:51 ↗ County and they were using federal funds

2:15:53 ↗ and that was making it very challenging

2:15:55 ↗ because they had all these rules and

2:15:57 ↗ and we couldn't quite figure it out I

2:16:00 ↗ have learned in the last month in doing

2:16:02 ↗ some background research that there is

2:16:04 ↗ another region where they're looking and

2:16:06 ↗ I don't know if they're same coming soon

2:16:09 ↗ where they're looking at trying to get

2:16:11 ↗ some private funding where the strings

2:16:13 ↗ are more lean you know where there

2:16:14 ↗ aren't so many strings and so we're kind

2:16:17 ↗ of watching to see what they pop up with

2:16:18 ↗ so that's why we added that fourth

2:16:20 ↗ bullet is to try to help do it we don't

2:16:23 ↗ have an answer right at the moment but

2:16:25 ↗ it's being raised for exactly the reason

2:16:27 ↗ that you stated so I want to go back to

2:16:34 ↗ the solution that we're trying to

2:16:39 ↗ address or the problem that we're trying

2:16:41 ↗ to address is affordable housing through

2:16:44 ↗ creation of ad use and you had a great

2:16:47 ↗ chart there that talked about the

2:16:50 ↗ barriers and the solutions I want to

2:16:53 ↗ throw a few more possible barriers out

2:16:56 ↗ there okay just so that we can kind of

2:16:58 ↗ discuss them so obviously in some parts

2:17:02 ↗ of the city namely the Highlands one of

2:17:04 ↗ the barriers is a lot size and things

2:17:09 ↗ like that I don't think that's a barrier

2:17:10 ↗ that can be addressed but when you're

2:17:13 ↗ talking about down on the valley floor

2:17:16 ↗ wasn't there a requirement that 50% of

2:17:20 ↗ the property had to be impervious

2:17:22 ↗ surface yes okay so I wouldn't think

2:17:27 ↗ that would be a barrier to adding

2:17:30 ↗ additional square footage so unit are we

2:17:34 ↗ addressing that at all so first to be

2:17:40 ↗ clear we're not talking about the

2:17:41 ↗ Highlands they have different codes and

2:17:42 ↗ they do allow a to use and for smaller

2:17:45 ↗ lot sizes which may come here you know

2:17:47 ↗ mu R or something like that not

2:17:48 ↗ expecting a whole lot of single-family

2:17:50 ↗ and in the urban core but we're some of

2:17:52 ↗ the smaller Lots are there always the

2:17:53 ↗ basement options and in Old Town they do

2:17:55 ↗ them over the garages it can be done you

2:17:58 ↗ know if you want it badly enough that

2:17:59 ↗ can be done I'm impervious surface we

2:18:02 ↗ talked about and so far it came up with

2:18:04 ↗ both the parking and the walkway and

2:18:07 ↗ with the walkway if you when you put in

2:18:10 ↗ your fourth

2:18:11 ↗ the four feet will not count towards

2:18:14 ↗ your impervious so that's no longer a

2:18:15 ↗ problem and it has been in the past so

2:18:17 ↗ that won't be a problem anymore

2:18:19 ↗ driveways because that hasn't been an

2:18:21 ↗ issue so far we didn't see it but as far

2:18:23 ↗ as adding on to your property it could

2:18:26 ↗ be but then you just need to find

2:18:28 ↗ another solution I impervious it's not

2:18:30 ↗ something I think that the city is real

2:18:32 ↗ willing to give on or extra five hundred

2:18:37 ↗ square foot ad you in there that's a

2:18:40 ↗ good affordable unit for someone right

2:18:42 ↗ and just another question is that's why

2:18:44 ↗ we've changed it so we've said it can be

2:18:46 ↗ detached above the garage or in the

2:18:49 ↗ house to make more options so if you

2:18:51 ↗ have hit the impervious you can go above

2:18:53 ↗ your garage which doesn't add to your

2:18:55 ↗ impervious or part of your house already

2:18:57 ↗ that doesn't add so we tried to give

2:18:59 ↗ more choices to solve that I hear that

2:19:02 ↗ but if we're talking about barriers if

2:19:05 ↗ we're talking about we currently have a

2:19:07 ↗ low Adu rate and we're trying to

2:19:10 ↗ increase that why we would keep a

2:19:13 ↗ barrier that would keep somebody from

2:19:14 ↗ being able to build in their backyard

2:19:16 ↗ I don't know right so I would make like

2:19:23 ↗ I'll call it only antidotal but from a

2:19:27 ↗ practical point of view I have about 40

2:19:30 ↗ slides of 80 use and one or two or

2:19:34 ↗ detached the vast majority are gonna be

2:19:37 ↗ created in daylight basements carved out

2:19:39 ↗ spaces maybe someone's adding the garage

2:19:42 ↗ and they put it above a garage they take

2:19:43 ↗ an existing garage and put it above the

2:19:46 ↗ cost is so much less to do it that way

2:19:50 ↗ that the cost of adding a new space and

2:19:54 ↗ the one that if you could have seen it

2:19:55 ↗ you probably my guess is from looking at

2:19:57 ↗ the picture it was an old probably

2:19:59 ↗ structure that was there anyway so it's

2:20:02 ↗ not yes there are my there may be

2:20:04 ↗ situations where people are adding new

2:20:06 ↗ space in a separate structure but the

2:20:09 ↗ vast majority of times they are

2:20:11 ↗ incorporated within a foot print either

2:20:14 ↗ carved out or above or small addition to

2:20:18 ↗ an existing space and I think that's

2:20:21 ↗ driven as much by economics as anything

2:20:23 ↗ okay so I make that point then yeah

2:20:28 ↗ Keith just brought up two who reminded

2:20:29 ↗ me that in Oldtown one of the things

2:20:31 ↗ that they have been talking about is

2:20:32 ↗ impervious surface and they're talking

2:20:34 ↗ about revisiting that because fifty

2:20:35 ↗ percent is a little outdated so that's a

2:20:39 ↗ good point to bring up when we have that

2:20:41 ↗ discussion as well and the last thing I

2:20:43 ↗ had on that I think also keep in mind

2:20:44 ↗ one of the one of the arguments in favor

2:20:46 ↗ of just of having allowing aid use

2:20:48 ↗ everywhere is that the idea is having a

2:20:52 ↗ tea or not having a to you doesn't

2:20:53 ↗ change the bulk of the buildings and the

2:20:56 ↗ neighborhood and so the idea is you're

2:20:59 ↗ you're having structures that either are

2:21:02 ↗ very large single-family homes or a

2:21:04 ↗ structure that is a single-family home

2:21:05 ↗ and Adu in the same space and so in

2:21:08 ↗ terms of impacting the the character and

2:21:10 ↗ bulk of the neighborhood you're agnostic

2:21:12 ↗ they'd use we're not a to use if it's

2:21:14 ↗ within the same structure yeah yeah we

2:21:17 ↗ would with it within this within the

2:21:19 ↗ same footprint okay okay yeah I was just

2:21:23 ↗ trying to think what are the barriers

2:21:26 ↗ are there any other barriers that we

2:21:29 ↗ could also address so I'll push back on

2:21:32 ↗ the parking one and I think Ron's point

2:21:33 ↗ was actually illustrative I in in

2:21:37 ↗ Seattle the parking is the hot topic

2:21:39 ↗ because all the housing activists are

2:21:41 ↗ trying to get rid of it and the people

2:21:43 ↗ that don't like a to use are trying to

2:21:45 ↗ keep it in I think I think we should

2:21:47 ↗ drop the parking requirement I don't I

2:21:50 ↗ don't think the fact that you are that

2:21:54 ↗ you're having an Adu versus just having

2:21:56 ↗ an additional bedroom does not mean that

2:21:58 ↗ you should have a different parking

2:22:00 ↗ requirement I I think we should have

2:22:04 ↗ parking requirements because we're not

2:22:06 ↗ seattle but i think the fact that you

2:22:09 ↗ have an Adu versus not having a to you

2:22:10 ↗ does not mean that you need to have a

2:22:11 ↗ different number of parking spots i

2:22:13 ↗ think particularly because the people

2:22:15 ↗ who use a to use are usually people that

2:22:18 ↗ are either elderly or people that are

2:22:20 ↗ low-income that are renting these are

2:22:21 ↗ these are people who oftentimes aren't

2:22:24 ↗ driving as often and then having extra

2:22:26 ↗ parking spot it just isn't used for for

2:22:30 ↗ some of the ada use cases so i i think

2:22:33 ↗ it i mean yes a mini

2:22:36 ↗ people's driveways are long enough and

2:22:37 ↗ it's a non-issue but I think especially

2:22:39 ↗ on the smaller Lots you might be able to

2:22:41 ↗ carve out existing space you don't know

2:22:44 ↗ the parking spot and so I think the

2:22:45 ↗ reason you probably haven't heard about

2:22:46 ↗ it is because people aren't even trying

2:22:47 ↗ so I I would I would strongly encourage

2:22:50 ↗ dropping the park of apartment I think

2:22:52 ↗ parking should be set based upon the

2:22:55 ↗ building type in the building size

2:22:57 ↗ whether or not this is a do or not I

2:22:59 ↗ don't think should dictate that I'm a

2:23:00 ↗ parking spots I think that could be a

2:23:03 ↗ good point that if you have somebody who

2:23:05 ↗ isn't considering an aid to you because

2:23:07 ↗ they don't have the parking for it not

2:23:10 ↗ only is it a space issue but it's also a

2:23:12 ↗ cost of having to pave an additional

2:23:15 ↗ area which would could keep somebody who

2:23:18 ↗ is a lower-income from being able to do

2:23:21 ↗ that and for the people who have a

2:23:24 ↗ larger unit they're already gonna have a

2:23:27 ↗ two-car garage with the driveway and so

2:23:31 ↗ they would be okay anyway not that

2:23:34 ↗ anybody's really gonna use the driveway

2:23:36 ↗ they're all going to park on the street

2:23:37 ↗ anyway so let me encounter that argument

2:23:42 ↗ let's take an example Old Town so you

2:23:46 ↗ have a house that has a two-car garage

2:23:52 ↗ you used a garage which means you know

2:23:55 ↗ two spaces in the front of the house

2:23:56 ↗ that they can't use because they need

2:23:58 ↗ egress for the garage so what you're

2:24:01 ↗ suggesting is that if that unit that

2:24:04 ↗ house wants to build an Adu you're okay

2:24:07 ↗ with that with them allowing people to

2:24:10 ↗ park on the street so you're encouraging

2:24:12 ↗ people to park on the street well that's

2:24:14 ↗ what the current code would allow

2:24:17 ↗ because they would count that driveway

2:24:18 ↗ as the legal parking spots yeah that

2:24:22 ↗ that household can host because cars

2:24:24 ↗ wouldn't something knows it

2:24:26 ↗ doesn't mean the so the difference is

2:24:30 ↗ you now have two households in one house

2:24:32 ↗ right so I think you know I'm not sure I

2:24:36 ↗ completely agree with AJ's argument that

2:24:38 ↗ somebody who's choosing an Adu doesn't

2:24:40 ↗ Drive or is less likely to drive than

2:24:43 ↗ anybody else I'm not saying I disagree

2:24:46 ↗ with you I'm just saying I'm not sure I

2:24:47 ↗ buy it so so the question is so the

2:24:50 ↗ reason why there's been a requirement

2:24:52 ↗ for one one car to come with it is

2:24:54 ↗ concern over reaction from single family

2:24:58 ↗ home owners that are worried like Ron is

2:25:01 ↗ that this is gonna cause an issue I'm

2:25:04 ↗ not you know so we have certain places

2:25:07 ↗ in the city where all the on street

2:25:10 ↗ parking is being used currently and so

2:25:13 ↗ you know to now facilitate ad use in

2:25:16 ↗ those locations does if there's no

2:25:20 ↗ parking that comes with it does say that

2:25:22 ↗ that you could be exacerbating or

2:25:25 ↗ increasing a parking demand in a curtain

2:25:28 ↗ area so but we have we have lots of

2:25:32 ↗ parts of the city that have plenty of

2:25:34 ↗ street parking available we have some

2:25:36 ↗ parts that are really tight so I'm not

2:25:39 ↗ suggesting anything I'm just kind of

2:25:41 ↗ throwing that out there for you guys to

2:25:43 ↗ think about I think that I think that's

2:25:44 ↗ important if we have if there is a

2:25:47 ↗ shortage of parking that's a

2:25:48 ↗ neighborhood problem that I'm a new

2:25:50 ↗ problem so I want to add some context to

2:25:54 ↗ this conversation to pick up based on

2:25:56 ↗ what Keith was saying what you have on

2:26:00 ↗ the books now is something that was

2:26:01 ↗ developed harsh light of concern where

2:26:04 ↗ what requirement used to be in many

2:26:06 ↗ cities is you will add one more parking

2:26:09 ↗ space for an ad you and what cities move

2:26:12 ↗ towards as sort of that compromise

2:26:15 ↗ between are you impacting a neighborhood

2:26:18 ↗ or not which is one of the things we've

2:26:20 ↗ always been trying to juggle is allowing

2:26:21 ↗ units in was this idea of one more than

2:26:25 ↗ required by code and that the vast

2:26:28 ↗ majority of properties therefore meet

2:26:30 ↗ that and therefore it works so that's

2:26:35 ↗ what you have on the books now is a

2:26:37 ↗ shift from 180 you or an interest

2:26:39 ↗ came out and cities were trying to be

2:26:41 ↗ very very protectionist and stuff and it

2:26:44 ↗ was learned because we did learn some

2:26:46 ↗ cities did that to make it prohibitively

2:26:47 ↗ difficult to do ad use I would also add

2:26:50 ↗ just from my I have a lot of personal

2:26:53 ↗ experience with AD use and in around a

2:26:58 ↗ university that I used to live at at the

2:27:01 ↗ ad use were nanny units held by students

2:27:06 ↗ and other young people in those homes

2:27:09 ↗ they had many friends who lived in them

2:27:12 ↗ and serve the role either as being on

2:27:14 ↗ presence on a property in which there

2:27:16 ↗ was another person or often a nanny they

2:27:18 ↗ served as a nanny that the age level

2:27:21 ↗ that you see in these you are adding to

2:27:23 ↗ households so you do have two

2:27:26 ↗ independent households and so it's not

2:27:28 ↗ exactly the same as adding a bedroom at

2:27:31 ↗ least I would make that comment because

2:27:32 ↗ you do have two independent households

2:27:35 ↗ who may each need to travel and if you

2:27:36 ↗ don't are in neighborhoods without

2:27:38 ↗ transit service they each need to get

2:27:41 ↗ around I was a resident of an Adu I know

2:27:45 ↗ three or four people who owned them at

2:27:47 ↗ my that were my age when I bought a

2:27:48 ↗ house and the people who lived in the

2:27:51 ↗ homes and ad use for all younger people

2:27:53 ↗ too so I'm just putting that out there

2:27:55 ↗ and it totally - I also did live in one

2:27:58 ↗ in which there was an elderly person so

2:27:59 ↗ but they also had a caretaker come and

2:28:01 ↗ take care of them and I helped on the

2:28:03 ↗ weekends so I mean there is a lot of

2:28:05 ↗ dynamics that go that goes on here but

2:28:08 ↗ it's it isn't just say I don't think

2:28:10 ↗ it's necessarily the same as and so you

2:28:12 ↗ do have something on the books that was

2:28:14 ↗ an attempt to try to find the middle

2:28:16 ↗ ground on balancing those issues and

2:28:18 ↗ that what you have on the books now so

2:28:20 ↗ Arthur you say the vast majority of

2:28:24 ↗ households that would want to put in an

2:28:27 ↗ ad you would already be compliant with

2:28:29 ↗ their existing parking that's and that's

2:28:31 ↗ why I think why Kristin said there was

2:28:33 ↗ not an issue is because no one's been

2:28:36 ↗ required to add one that you know of

2:28:37 ↗ right and all the ones there

2:28:41 ↗ I've been a couple who've been a hard

2:28:42 ↗ day that's a but not many right we

2:28:46 ↗ haven't seen that issue come up in other

2:28:47 ↗ cities in most of the cities in East

2:28:49 ↗ Kent County have a very similar

2:28:51 ↗ provision and it just that hasn't come

2:28:54 ↗ up as a major barrier in any of the

2:28:56 ↗ conversation at the same time we're

2:28:58 ↗ talking about we don't have as many a to

2:29:01 ↗ use as we want and so we have to look at

2:29:03 ↗ so Mercer Island is our model of having

2:29:06 ↗ the rate and they have the same rule

2:29:07 ↗ okay they're all large lot

2:29:10 ↗ yeah family homes most of the cities

2:29:13 ↗ that I like most of the cities that I

2:29:15 ↗ looked at acquired a parking space for

2:29:16 ↗ an ad you okay I'm just going off of

2:29:18 ↗ that's that's a hot topic in Seattle and

2:29:21 ↗ they're trying to get the parking

2:29:22 ↗ requirement drop right they had the

2:29:24 ↗ housing stock in Seattle is different in

2:29:27 ↗ Issaquah so would you say that that is

2:29:29 ↗ not as important as it is yeah their

2:29:32 ↗ parking rules in general are very

2:29:33 ↗ different and their transit service is

2:29:35 ↗ very different do we have any areas in

2:29:41 ↗ the city that do not require or do not

2:29:45 ↗ allow parking at night or have like

2:29:47 ↗ permit parking if they mean if they do

2:29:51 ↗ that's through an HOA I'm not yeah we're

2:29:53 ↗ of any I'm just thinking if if an ad you

2:29:57 ↗ went into one of those areas whether or

2:29:59 ↗ not they would get a parking permit or

2:30:02 ↗ whether that would cause any issue well

2:30:03 ↗ I live in it home under so hey I'm a

2:30:05 ↗ hundred homeowners association that

2:30:07 ↗ would not allow that and so yes they

2:30:09 ↗ would have to have a permit I live so

2:30:11 ↗ right now city code says you cannot park

2:30:14 ↗ on the street for more than 24 hours the

2:30:16 ↗ problem is obviously an enforcement

2:30:18 ↗ issue so if your neighbor Ron doesn't

2:30:21 ↗ like your car parking in front of your

2:30:23 ↗ in front of his house he might call IPD

2:30:27 ↗ to come check your tires right but

2:30:30 ↗ that's a pretty low priority for them

2:30:32 ↗ they have other things that they're

2:30:33 ↗ working on so so there's there is a

2:30:36 ↗ parking study that's going on that will

2:30:39 ↗ be going on this year and it's there's

2:30:42 ↗ two parts of it one is to do a study of

2:30:45 ↗ Old Town and the other is to do a study

2:30:49 ↗ around

2:30:51 ↗ primarily our transit parking locations

2:30:56 ↗ that would be potentially lead to then a

2:31:00 ↗ parking enforcement which would be the

2:31:02 ↗ first parking enforcement we would have

2:31:03 ↗ in the city for time limited time

2:31:07 ↗ limited parking yeah I'm just bringing

2:31:10 ↗ you that up as a potential you know if

2:31:13 ↗ we're thinking about this planning long

2:31:14 ↗ term ad use and that idea of parking

2:31:19 ↗ enforcement could be an issue sorry I

2:31:23 ↗ need ahead Kristen this is great I think

2:31:25 ↗ these are all great first steps smile

2:31:31 ↗ with a motion before you go what you

2:31:34 ↗ don't want to make a motion before you

2:31:36 ↗ go I mean if we're like done I'll stick

2:31:38 ↗ around guys you could be I've been done

2:31:42 ↗ since 8:30 yeah good know you've been

2:31:48 ↗ making motions and you can't make myself

2:31:49 ↗ is it is it okay to pick it up make a

2:31:52 ↗ package from all together into one

2:31:54 ↗ mushrooms here okay I move two minutes

2:31:57 ↗ ago mr. Municipal Code including

2:32:00 ↗ definitions levels of review tables of

2:32:03 ↗ permitted land uses accessory dwelling

2:32:05 ↗ units and fees imposed as amended I

2:32:09 ↗ would like to amend that motion

2:32:15 ↗ I would like to amend that motion by

2:32:18 ↗ adding requirement for off street

2:32:20 ↗ parking needs to be part of the

2:32:22 ↗ agreement it is there we we park human

2:32:28 ↗ is not in it we like talked about it

2:32:30 ↗ then we agreed not doing anything about

2:32:31 ↗ parking parking currently in the code

2:32:34 ↗ one parking space is required

2:32:36 ↗ I thought our part of our conversation

2:32:39 ↗ was to remove Oh No

2:32:42 ↗ Adri was kind of proposing it but we

2:32:44 ↗ didn't that's not alternative so sorry

2:32:49 ↗ I'm going to remove the emotion okay all

2:32:54 ↗ those in favor of the motion say Aye all

2:32:56 ↗ right

2:32:57 ↗ motion passes thank you now you can go

2:33:09 ↗ five nine I can't I can't believe it is

2:33:12 ↗ there anything else that you need to

2:33:13 ↗ impart to this us to your body good

2:33:16 ↗ group tonight well done what's our next

2:33:18 ↗ meeting this is the 12 the 12 so we're

2:33:22 ↗ not any other 26 I know

2:33:27 ↗ cancel cancel I'm actually on the back

2:33:30 ↗ of your agenda packet it won't be

2:33:31 ↗ transfer of development rights because

2:33:33 ↗ the land and Shore no the council sent

2:33:36 ↗ is sending back at Alice rezone proposal

2:33:40 ↗ to you from this past Monday night so

2:33:43 ↗ that I believe is going the 12th to PPC

2:33:46 ↗ it the next time right yeah okay so this

2:33:49 ↗ the back of the of your packet isn't

2:33:52 ↗ completely correct

2:33:53 ↗ okay be it's the Spence what is it was

2:33:56 ↗ own it's personal nine that this for the

2:33:58 ↗ slide happened what do they really want

2:34:00 ↗ to do there has been a proposal to

2:34:03 ↗ change the zoning from what's been

2:34:04 ↗ proposed in the end of development

2:34:06 ↗ agreements to single-family and so you

2:34:10 ↗ know I think it's multi-family family

2:34:13 ↗ well yeah so we're meeting on the 12th

2:34:17 ↗ for that and then are we looking at the

2:34:19 ↗ 26 the 26 that would be transferred

2:34:22 ↗ development rights okay so we do have

2:34:24 ↗ both of those meetings coming up thank

2:34:25 ↗ you okay and you all got the email that

2:34:28 ↗ everybody's membership is moved to June

2:34:32 ↗ he'll be cut okay just trying to be sure

2:34:34 ↗ everyone got that

2:34:39 ↗ just take that I'm gonna call the

2:34:41 ↗ meeting closed at 9:06

2:34:43 ↗ meeting adjourned thank you now you can

2:34:45 ↗ talk about anything you want to talk

2:34:47 ↗ about

2:34:55 ↗ you

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