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Thursday, November 8, 2018

6:30 PM · 1h 38m · Council Chambers, 135 E. Sunset Way, Issaquah WA
Topic tracked across meetings:
Amending the Issaquah Municipal Code and Central Issaquah Development and Design Standards Related to Electric Vehicle Charging AB 8066 6/7
Section
1. CALL TO ORDER
1a
Commission Membership
packet pp.3
Staff report:
Planning Policy Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Trish Heinonen, Planning Manager policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides Email guidance and direction for Issaquah’s future growth through continued review and improvement to the Regular Members City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related 2019 – Joan Probala land use documents. 2020 – Ron Faul 2020 – Troy Rahmig Membership 2022 – Joy Lewis The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2022 – Vacant seven regular members, with four-year terms; and 2022 – Bill Rinehart several alternates, with two-year terms. All 2022 – Lindsey Walsh members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire Alternate Members April 30 of the year listed. For more information, 2020 – AJ McGauley see IMC 18.03. 2020 – Vacant 2020 – Jason Voiss 2020 – Vacant
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2a
Minutes of October 25, 2018
packet pp.5–9
Staff report:
on recent King County policies and a recent request from the Issaquah School District to the City Council that led to the City reviewing its code on schools. She also briefly described the Commission’s
3. REGULAR BUSINESS
3a
Open House - Gilman Blvd Corridor Concept
Brianne Ross, Senior Engineer · packet pp.11–70
Staff report:
During development of the Central Issaquah Development and Design Standards (“Standards”), it was clear that the City needed to address the standards and character of Gilman Boulevard specifically; however, given the limited time and funds to develop the Standards, the City determined this would need to be done at a later time. The tipping point came with Atlas and Corner Bakery when there was no clear standard as to where the buildings should be built (back from or to the sidewalk) and what the landscape and sidewalk and other right-of-way needs were for walkers, cyclists, drivers and transit on Gilman Boulevard.
3a
Proposed Amendments to Central Issaquah Development and Design Standards, Table 4.3A Levels of Review
Emily Arteche, Senior Planner · packet pp.71–77
Topics: Land Use
Staff report:
On September 28, 2017 the Planning Policy Commission recommended approval of amendments to Issaquah Municipal Code: Chapter 18.0 regarding the creation of Urban Village Replacement Regulations. At the meeting City Staff explained that the amendments provide for the ending of Development Agreements while keeping the existing and distinct characters of both Talus and Issaquah Highlands by using similar goals, guidelines and standards as were used to develop each Urban Village. The City Council concurred with the PPC’s
5. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS
5a
Upcoming Schedule
packet pp.79–80
Staff report:
1. Safe Injection Sites (Moratorium) 1/11/18 3/5/18 2. Small Cell Wireless Facilities 2/1/18 5/7/18 Ord No. 2833 3. Olde Town Plan update 7/12/18 4. Central Standards update a. limit Hotel/ Motels and Self Storage uses 3/22/18 5/21/18 Ord 2837 (self storage uses) b. Table 4.3B Permitted Land Uses 8/23/18 c. Change in zoning: Destination Retail and 6/28/18 Intensive Commercial 5. Housing Strategy: ADUs 3/22/18 5/21/18 Ord 2839 6. Housing Strategy: Inclusionary Zoning 10/26/17 5/7/18 Ord No 2832 7. 2018 Comp Plan/Central Plan Amendments a. District Visions 3/22/18 Ord 2838 5/21/18 b. remaining amendments 12/13/18 Ord 2842 7/16/18 (boundary delay) 8. 2018 Parks Strategic Plan 6/14/18 7/16/18 - Res 2018-12 Other Topics TDRs (end of Issaquah Highlands Dev 4/26/18 6/4/18 Agreement) Talus Parcel 9 5/10/18 6/2/18 * Red indicates tentative date
0:12 Lanning policy commission tonight we
0:15 have the honor of having the Development
0:20 Commission join us this evening for
0:22 their important input on some of the
0:27 things we're going to discuss tonight
0:28 which are the Gillman Boulevard corridor
0:32 and the amendments to the central area
0:36 plan
0:38 [Music]
0:42 the first thing on our agenda is the
0:46 villain minutes of October 25th so do I
0:49 have a it would anybody like to approve
0:55 a promotion have a second is that gonna
1:04 any discussion or changes all those in
1:08 favor say aye aye aye opposed hearing
1:13 none the motion passes so tonight we're
1:16 gonna start our meeting with a
1:18 presentation on the Gillman Boulevard
1:20 corridor concept which is near and dear
1:25 to our hearts it's important part of the
1:28 community so Brianne Ross our senior
1:31 engineer is going to update on what's
1:33 going on absolutely thank you guys for
1:36 having having me here so my name is
1:40 Brianne Ross
1:41 I'm a senior transportation engineer for
1:43 our public works department with me is
1:45 Nathan he's our project manager for the
1:47 consultant MiG svr who did the work so
1:51 he he'll be on hand as we get into
1:53 questions and discussion but we wanted
1:55 to come here tonight with with both of
1:58 you
1:59 groups because we know how much you both
2:03 have seen like the green necklace plan
2:05 central Issaquah plan and have those
2:09 types of connections and then plus with
2:12 DC ultimately we'll be implementing some
2:16 of this stuff as developments come in
2:18 and do frontage improvements so we
2:21 wanted to share this with you so we're
2:27 talking about Gilman from SR 902 Front
2:30 Street and when we started this project
2:33 we wanted to make sure that we addressed
2:37 our safety concerns on Gilman planned
2:40 for a future Gilman that might not be
2:41 what Gilman how Gilman functions today
2:44 or the the buildings and land use and
2:46 businesses that are on Gilman today but
2:48 but look towards the future and how do
2:50 we accommodate what we foresee coming
2:53 in in the next 10 15 20 years we also
2:57 wanted to have some meaningful community
2:59 participation and make sure that we got
3:01 community buy off on this as we go
3:03 forward and can build that consensus and
3:06 then this is gonna feed into two future
3:08 projects both as developer frontage
3:10 improvements as well as potentially city
3:13 capital projects so right now we are
3:19 here with you we will be going to City
3:22 Council in January taking the same
3:24 framework document to them and we've had
3:28 a great last couple of months
3:32 we started off with the project scope
3:34 and getting the things started and then
3:38 verified project objectives looked at
3:41 the existing documents that we already
3:43 had
3:43 we knew that there's been already a lot
3:45 of work in around Gilman with what the
3:48 central Issaquah plan with the green
3:49 necklace various things like that and
3:51 then did that meaningful community
3:54 participation as well and then we've
3:57 presented already to parks board and
3:59 economic vitality commission and here
4:02 with you tonight so as I mentioned we we
4:07 did look at all of the other documents
4:09 in the city and how they relate to
4:10 Gilman and then we had stakeholder
4:15 meetings where we met specifically with
4:17 business and property owners inviting
4:20 everyone around especially around the
4:21 Gilman area we heard from them that you
4:25 know traffic access car access to their
4:28 businesses are important to businesses
4:30 which we would expect they also want to
4:33 have great visibility from the street to
4:36 their building and signs and they
4:39 appreciated the transparent process that
4:42 we were trying to do in incorporating
4:43 those property owners and business
4:46 owners throughout the area and then
4:48 wanted to also make sure that whatever
4:51 we do is implementable we then also met
4:55 with the community had a community
4:57 workshop
4:58 we in that conversation got into more of
5:02 a conversation about what would it look
5:04 like to be able to park once on Gulman
5:06 and walk around to different stores also
5:11 looking at what does it mean when
5:13 there's more residents on gummin you
5:15 know atlas was the first apartment
5:17 building on Gilman and there will likely
5:19 be others and what what does that look
5:21 like and then also certainly considering
5:24 the future of sound transit light rail
5:26 in the vicinity when that comes so and
5:30 then reinforcing that that Gilman is a
5:33 successful business corridor now and we
5:36 want to make sure it stays successful as
5:38 a business corridor in the future as
5:39 well so we've done a lot of outreach we
5:45 had a survey we ended up with 760 people
5:47 responding answering at least one
5:49 question which was great and we've had a
5:53 lot of different business visits talking
5:55 to property owners trying to get the
5:58 word out to people and different
6:00 community groups and this is a map of
6:05 where we where people said they lived
6:09 who filled out their survey so a pretty
6:11 good representation from citywide for
6:15 those people that were more interested
6:16 in gomen which is great we like to see
6:18 that
6:25 Thanks good so one of those so those
6:32 hope you guys saw the survey this these
6:34 are the results out of that survey you
6:37 can see that there is support for making
6:42 a Gilman a more pedestrian friendly
6:45 environment increasing the separation
6:48 from traffic so that the sidewalk is not
6:49 right next to the travel lanes as it is
6:52 currently in some places also enhancing
6:55 those crosswalks making them more
6:56 visible we also saw a lot of support for
7:01 improving the lighting on Gilman and
7:03 different amenities like streeting
7:05 street trees and in planting areas we
7:10 also asked people about about biking on
7:12 Gilman and while the the strongest
7:16 support was to make sure that there was
7:17 a connection for the regional trails
7:18 there and then we asked what type of
7:23 bike facility people would want on
7:25 Gilman and that was the only question in
7:28 the survey that was a pick one but they
7:30 didn't have the option to pick all of
7:31 the above and that's where we really
7:34 looked at getting something off the road
7:36 people definitely support a bike
7:38 facility that's off-road like the
7:40 protected bike lane or like a shared
7:42 path the natural environment got the
7:47 most support accepted timing traffic
7:51 signals um we're incorporating
7:55 stormwater into our natural features is
7:57 something that that was really important
7:58 to those that took the survey and so
8:02 this survey really fed into what we have
8:04 as these community goals and
8:09 we know that not all of these goals
8:12 always work together that there will
8:15 need to be some prioritization as we go
8:17 forward but the initial list of goals
8:21 was identified by the project team after
8:23 reviewing those existing documents and
8:25 discussing the outcomes of those past
8:27 studies and planning efforts and then it
8:29 was these are the goals that were
8:31 presented to the public in the online
8:33 survey and then also again to the
8:36 property owners and the business owners
8:38 and so then based on all those that
8:40 feedback that we received these goals
8:41 have been updated the updated goals were
8:45 presented at that community workshop and
8:47 that's where we got support for
8:49 continuing forward with these same goals
8:51 so the primary goals listed here do you
8:57 reflect the feedback that we've heard
8:58 and as I said there are competing needs
9:01 among those community goals and not all
9:03 the goals are necessarily applicable in
9:05 all sections of Gilman right so we know
9:08 that Gilman is a longer corridor and
9:11 that the needs of the quarter can change
9:14 as you go through it so that's something
9:16 that we'll continue to resolve as we go
9:18 into the corridor concept so
9:24 highlighting a few existing conditions
9:28 there's the the Creek that's adjacent to
9:31 the Commons and that crosses new part
9:34 way there's also Issaquah Creek there's
9:37 bike lanes for about half of the
9:38 corridor there are bus stops along
9:41 Gilman and there's a good trail network
9:44 that surrounds going so an overview of
9:49 the enhancement opportunities that are
9:53 in your framework document you have it
9:57 and one thing that we've in all things
9:58 that we've talked about the Gateway type
10:02 on the ends making sure that we can
10:05 signal to drivers that they're no longer
10:06 on i-90 that was a topic of conversation
10:09 we had a few times is that especially on
10:11 the ends as people come off of i-90 they
10:13 tend to drive like they're still on the
10:15 freeway a little bit faster so using
10:18 that as an opportunity also using that
10:21 as an opportunity potential
10:22 to kind of create start to create a
10:23 signature street so that people feel
10:27 like Gilman's a destination also looking
10:30 at new street crossings that have been
10:32 identified in previous plans enhancing
10:35 the creeks evaluating existing driveways
10:38 that are along gilman and also providing
10:41 pedestrian access from gilman to the
10:43 stores that was another topic we talked
10:46 about is if you are walking on Gilman
10:48 and you want to get to a store you're
10:49 typically walking across to long parking
10:53 lot and how could that be enhanced or
10:56 strengthened so that's a general
11:02 overview of where we've come to date we
11:06 wanted to open up the floor to all of
11:08 you hopefully you received our memo in
11:12 your packet where you know we're we are
11:14 looking for some input we're also
11:16 looking for hopefully your endorsement
11:19 going forward as we take this framework
11:21 document which which highlights these
11:22 overarching goals and opportunities
11:26 we'll take that to Council in January
11:28 and so that's where we're here tonight
11:32 so one of the topics of conversation
11:34 that we thought you guys might be
11:36 interested in is if the framework plan
11:39 incorporates the central Issaquah plan
11:42 and green necklace plan as you guys
11:45 would expect this is where we can
11:48 discuss from my perspective I think
11:55 that's hard to answer because right now
11:58 specifically regarding kind of the tree
12:01 canopy and adding in greenery it's very
12:04 conceptual which is okay this is an
12:06 early document and I want to start by
12:08 also saying you guys did a really nice
12:10 job I really like this the plethora of
12:12 maps and keys that you guys did a really
12:14 nice job on communicating it was a
12:17 really clear document but specifically
12:19 regarding this point I think that it's a
12:22 little too conceptual to answer
12:23 accurately because right now we're still
12:26 debating what does that look like even
12:28 as far as like where is the sidewalk go
12:30 do we have the trees on one side the
12:32 other both you know so
12:34 I think that that answer is that it's
12:38 faking nicely but it's not quite done
12:40 like I can't honestly say that you
12:42 nailed it because there's just the
12:45 implementation of it isn't there
12:47 so without without seeing it it's really
12:49 hard to answer that for me but we might
12:51 be on the right track of what we've got
12:52 so far yes great awesome
12:59 there are just a few things when I went
13:02 through the mortgage that kind of
13:05 Concerned me that and you brought it up
13:08 that maybe some of these things don't
13:10 will not work together and not get in
13:12 there but the concepts are great having
13:16 more crosswalks on Gilman what does that
13:19 do for traffic and you know another ten
13:26 crosswalks in there we're gonna be able
13:28 to get down Gilman at all or more access
13:32 to Gilman I think you have to be very
13:35 careful with that
13:36 it sounds wonderful but really doesn't
13:41 do what we really want it to do you have
13:45 to stand over here with me that's gonna
13:48 be an important part of the Phase two of
13:50 this project it's kind of developing
13:52 concepts and alternatives that can be
13:54 evaluated looked at from a traffic
13:57 standpoint seeing what it's doing to the
13:59 movement of traffic the level of surfing
14:01 service of traffic the delay and how
14:04 does that incorporate I understand that
14:07 the concept itself it sounds wonderful
14:09 you know but to put it into actual
14:12 implementation long way off a lot of
14:15 things that have to be looked at like
14:17 ethic and all these other possibilities
14:20 like lanes they really work dude
14:24 whatever I think jokes point is great
14:27 especially in with the the westerly
14:30 corridor the idea of putting two more
14:32 stoplights in like a five block radius
14:34 or the rally area is going to be seems
14:38 like it will be counterproductive to the
14:40 flow of traffic right now obviously that
14:44 area is already congested and backs up
14:46 and even timing the light
14:47 adding two more lights right there I
14:49 think is a mistake as far as the flow
14:51 goes what that means obviously is that
14:53 you're only turning right out of rally
14:55 you're either exiting onto Gilman or
14:58 from behind the complex and looping to
15:00 where you're going there's just not
15:02 gonna be any left turns you know going
15:03 on to 900 from Gilman if you're going
15:06 from the rally property and so I think
15:09 that sometimes realities like that have
15:12 to be addressed rather than being like
15:13 let's just add a light and then they'll
15:14 be able to turn because it's gonna
15:16 happen is you're gonna get four cars
15:17 going through and even though all the
15:18 lights are timed no one's gonna be
15:20 getting through you're gonna have a
15:21 massive traffic jam of people coming off
15:23 of the freeway people continuing on 900
15:25 and traveling on I think that some of
15:28 those some of the details that we do
15:30 have as far as light cars go will give
15:34 some pickups yeah and you know we have
15:39 in looking at those you know assessing
15:42 those driveways especially on the rally
15:45 and as you mentioned that is that is
15:47 something know that we need to do and um
15:49 you know we even did talk with BBC about
15:52 how you know restricting driveway access
15:55 it's a really hard conversation with
15:57 businesses but we also have some safety
15:59 things that we need to address as well
16:01 so there will be a balance in looking at
16:03 you know driveway access and what level
16:06 of access that each driveway has if
16:09 driveways are consolidated and then how
16:13 that can be addressed going forward
16:14 summaries that you gave us didn't
16:16 necessarily show me that there was a big
16:18 community buy-in to adding a plethora of
16:20 crosswalks obviously a few more are
16:22 needed having that be a priority I
16:25 didn't really read that but I more read
16:27 was that people want the option for
16:29 walkability meaning that what we really
16:31 need is some type of parking structure
16:35 somewhere where people can dump their
16:37 car and walk without necessarily I need
16:39 to be able to cross back and forth at
16:41 every point across Gilman they just want
16:43 to feel like it's less of an arterial
16:46 and more of a connection between all
16:49 these different businesses is what I
16:50 took away from from the respondents
16:52 coming back and so to me the solution
16:54 was more in sidewalks and
16:58 a dedicated place that someone can park
17:00 rather than crosswalks all over going
17:02 right and I think that enhancing
17:06 crosswalks doesn't always mean more it
17:08 can mean making ones we have more
17:10 visible and more usable time and time
17:14 with the lights better right yeah I'd
17:18 like to advocate for the bike piece of
17:20 it from a strategic standpoint today
17:26 bikes may not be a huge component of
17:30 this transportation initiative because a
17:33 lot of people are not biking right as we
17:36 look forward to e bikes just within the
17:39 last three years they've actually
17:40 dropped almost 50 percent of the cost so
17:42 now pick up a reasonable a bike for
17:45 about three thousand dollars and I'm now
17:48 starting to see them on squawk mountain
17:50 and there's ipping up these hills Oh
17:52 as people as a the price of a bike
17:55 starts to drop you're gonna see a lot
17:59 more people purchasing a bikes I believe
18:01 especially for our area because you
18:04 don't need a license for it
18:06 you don't need insurance to go up to 25
18:08 miles an hour
18:09 25 miles and I think you're gonna start
18:13 seeing a lot more people use those to
18:15 get back and forth to the stores my wife
18:19 would certainly she's asking for one now
18:20 and she would not feel comfortable and
18:23 I'm no pet or a motorcycle but a bicycle
18:25 something that's doesn't have a lot of
18:27 barriers and a lot of people would be
18:28 very comfortable with it and I was
18:33 looking here in your plants about shared
18:35 bike paths as a avid cyclist I have real
18:41 problem with shared bicycle paths in
18:43 that when I go bicycle riding on like
18:46 the Bert Gilman trail up and around
18:50 u-dub district and so on or the East
18:52 Lake Sammamish trail you have parents
18:56 with strollers that are three wide they
18:59 literally take up the whole trail and so
19:01 you're trying to pass and that's kind of
19:02 an obstruction there
19:04 and then you have dog walkers with flexi
19:07 leashes and they the dogs just you know
19:09 they're on a leash that's legal but
19:11 they're literally going across the way
19:13 and if you're right and passed them all
19:15 sudden the dog starts chasing you or
19:17 they run out in front of you and so
19:20 there's a lot of potential hazard with
19:21 that as a pedaling bicyclist it's not
19:25 I'm not going so fast I can't stop but
19:27 with an e bike they are now state laws
19:31 allows them to be on our trails these
19:34 guys are going 25 miles an hour and I
19:37 realize that the trail speed I think is
19:39 supposed to be 15 or 20 in some
19:41 locations there's a huge risk factor for
19:46 accidents so when you put bicycles with
19:50 pedestrians and a lot of pedestrians
19:52 don't like bicycles and I don't like
19:55 pedestrians
19:56 [Laughter]
20:02 [Music]
20:05 when I'm bicycle riding I don't want to
20:07 compete with a pedestrian as the
20:09 pedestrian doesn't want to compete with
20:10 me right so I think putting them in
20:14 their own place where a bicycle is
20:16 protected for a pedestrians protected
20:19 from a bicycle any bicycles protected
20:21 from the car is going to give more
20:22 people on bicycles which will lead to a
20:27 better Harless experience for our people
20:31 especially as we grow I think we're
20:33 gonna see a lot more people go in that
20:34 direction so I probably just said way
20:38 too much but I'd like to see some
20:41 alternative options to bike parents and
20:45 I also noticed that reading here where
20:48 Gilman wasn't going to emphasize so much
20:51 on the bike piece of it or maybe that
20:54 was part of the survey that gonna focus
20:57 on traffic more than bikes there might
21:00 be alternate routes for bikes throughout
21:03 the outreach process the number one
21:05 thing that we heard was that vehicular
21:07 traffic and moving cars was very
21:10 important to continue to support
21:12 businesses and
21:15 recognizing that there are off-street up
21:18 options for bikes potentially being the
21:20 maple juniper trail and making that more
21:22 visible and more accessible to people
21:24 and potential conflicts between bikes
21:27 and cars people have generally been
21:29 supportive throughout the process that
21:30 bikes shouldn't be on the street and
21:32 cars should be prioritised it's not that
21:35 bikes don't matters the feedback - about
21:37 them but they shouldn't be secondary to
21:40 cars and probably also secondary to
21:42 pedestrians from the feedback that we've
21:45 received and when I because that's how I
21:48 read it - and that's looking at it from
21:52 people who never used he bikes he bikes
21:56 is bleeding edge I mean it really is
21:57 bleeding I just considered social norms
21:59 right now maybe like a place like
22:01 Denmark everybody bikes oh I'm not
22:05 saying that we're gonna become Denmark
22:06 but aspirationally sure especially if we
22:09 make it easier for people to get up
22:11 these hills and they don't have to take
22:14 a bus they don't have to drive and these
22:16 e-bikes can zip right up the hills and
22:18 people who are out of shape don't have
22:20 to work that hard to do it no but I
22:25 think not putting bikes and back alleys
22:29 important because you need to be front
22:33 and center and somewhat main artery
22:35 arrow but they don't have to be in the
22:38 flow of traffic but if you were used to
22:39 the speed limit of yeoman 225 and then I
22:43 could see a lot of people it okay I can
22:45 ride my bike on a bike path on Gilman
22:47 because it's only 25 and I'm almost
22:49 going that speed it needs to be part of
22:54 your strategy and a stronger emphasis on
22:56 bikes because it's coming winter is
23:00 coming comments so you mentioned Denmark
23:06 and everybody rides bikes that's true
23:09 but in Norway yes they do ride bikes but
23:11 the traffic is horrendous there is two
23:16 two parts to it it's not just focusing
23:18 on on bikes
23:21 and so doesn't it's not perfect yeah I
23:26 actually take the opposing view I
23:28 actually had the good fortune of being
23:29 in Clearwater Florida this weekend
23:31 beautiful weather and they have more of
23:34 a shared bike pedestrian I just don't
23:37 know if we had the sidewalk or the space
23:39 just looking at this picture here you
23:41 couldn't do something like that I'm
23:43 thinking like Venice Beach a mnemonic
23:45 areas like that where you can if you
23:49 have a wide enough pathway have bikes
23:51 and pedestrians and a universal
23:54 knowledge one's more towards the right
23:55 ones more towards the left but I don't
23:58 think we have the space and I don't
24:00 think that would kind of depend on
24:02 businesses and I don't think we have the
24:04 easements to do it so the existing right
24:13 away varies and actually there's some
24:15 areas where we're not using the full
24:16 extent of the city's right-of-way so
24:18 where we would have some extra space
24:20 there is some areas in this vicinity as
24:23 the picture shows where we don't have
24:26 extra space but that's also an ongoing
24:28 conversation do we want property owners
24:31 as they redevelop to dedicate right away
24:33 to build a wider facility or do we want
24:35 to work within the right away that's
24:37 available currently and you know narrow
24:41 up our roadway section in some areas and
24:44 then look at a wider section and others
24:46 actually to his point you could do a
24:48 shared bike path it was it was wide
24:51 enough
25:01 well these which is just the Wild West
25:05 yeah East Lake Sammamish Parkway is a
25:08 great example
25:09 it's the trellis I think about 12 feet
25:11 12 feet isn't wide enough or really
25:14 pedestrians and bicyclists because you
25:17 have those pedestrians with rollers and
25:21 you have pedestrians with flexi leashes
25:23 but if you had maybe a 20-foot pathway
25:28 where you designated maybe five feet
25:32 bicycle and you striped it for bicycle
25:34 and then people would have the
25:36 understanding that that's a two-way
25:38 bicycle path there are things that you
25:41 can do but I think there just needs to
25:45 be more strategic look at how you handle
25:47 bicycle paths because I think that it
25:50 will be significant part of our future
26:07 members but I guess one question one
26:12 comment but one question about it is but
26:15 did anybody be willing to give up a lane
26:20 of traffic for a bike lane because I
26:28 think that would be it sounds to me like
26:29 from the survey results that there'd be
26:31 very few people that would say take away
26:33 a travel lane like they've done on
26:36 Second Avenue and Seattle and turn into
26:38 bike lane um and I would have is it
26:43 sounded like one of the issues was the
26:45 pedestrians wanted to be separated from
26:47 traffic and seemed like there was an
26:50 indication of using landscaping to do
26:52 that but could that separation instead
26:54 of landscaping be more of the bike path
26:57 so it's just roadway bike paths
27:00 pedestrian if you have enough room for
27:03 that and not worry about trying to put
27:04 trees in there somewhere
27:07 well I think the survey indicated that
27:09 people cared more for the trees than the
27:11 Lightwave you know would be interesting
27:16 is to see a picture of like champs Ely's
27:17 a there's a major roadway we're just
27:20 going back and forth and it has I mean
27:22 that Gilman's going to be that grandiose
27:25 but the idea where you have floods of
27:27 tourists walking left and right and you
27:29 have a long mile road it'd be
27:33 interesting to see a picture of that and
27:35 again obviously a much smaller scale but
27:37 he's something kind of how they did it
27:40 there because they deal with a lot of
27:41 pedestrian traffic and a lot of vehicle
27:43 traffic I would just observe having
27:46 lived there for a long time those
27:49 boulevards which are so wonderful signed
27:52 by Baron Haussmann
27:53 Wow battalion a company of cavalry to
27:58 ride stirrup disturbe down the street to
28:01 control mobs that's the original
28:03 architectural purpose I wonder if we
28:05 could handle the knee like so so I think
28:09 one of the one of the issues that
28:10 clearly there's going to be a lot of
28:12 competing interests you know if you have
28:14 10 priorities or 10 things that people
28:16 have identified are really important one
28:18 of the things that seems to be not
28:20 developed that I saw and maybe I just
28:22 missed it was a some some methodology of
28:25 prioritizing you know it's not a system
28:28 it's a you know a strategic a strategic
28:31 plan would say from a priority
28:33 perspective here's if we have to give up
28:35 something this is what goes first and
28:37 second or third you know but coming up
28:38 with some kind of evaluative process
28:40 that allows you to be clear text saying
28:43 do you know if if in fact people
28:45 wouldn't be willing to give up a traffic
28:46 delay no traffic
28:47 for a bike lane you know how do you
28:50 decide that what what is the mechanism
28:52 that you'd use to and that's gonna be
28:55 part of the next phase of work for us
28:58 we're going to be developing that
29:00 evaluation criteria and then going back
29:02 out to the public and the business and
29:05 property owners and talk with them about
29:07 you know what should this look like with
29:10 all of this different constraints and
29:12 open overlapping needs and how do we fit
29:14 everything in and talk about both the
29:16 evaluation criteria as well as potential
29:18 concepts said do you have a timetable
29:23 for
29:28 learning this process yeah so after we
29:36 go to Council in January assuming that
29:38 they let us know that we're heading in
29:40 the right direction that's what we're
29:42 looking from from them then we are going
29:46 to take a look at some of our existing
29:49 infrastructure take a look at what needs
29:52 are under the ground because say if we
29:56 have an aging sewer pipe the length of
29:58 Gillman you know that could mean we're
30:01 gonna tear up Gillman anyways and give
30:02 us a little more flexibility in what we
30:05 could come up with as for a design
30:07 versus if all of our existing
30:10 infrastructure in Gillman is and you
30:11 know just brand new and we don't want to
30:13 move anything then then we're gonna make
30:15 sure that where we put our curb and
30:16 gutter or where we put our trees where
30:18 I'm gonna put a tree on top of us who
30:19 are lying those types of things so we're
30:21 first will be step will be to evaluate
30:24 that level of existing condition and
30:26 then as as Nathan said we will look at
30:32 developing a couple of concepts and the
30:35 criteria and go out to the public with
30:37 with the criterion and concepts I'm
30:40 thinking that based on our current
30:44 budget and we have budget requested from
30:47 council right now in next year's budget
30:51 and then there would be a little bit of
30:53 a remaining budget in 2020 so we
30:55 probably have like 18 months longer
30:59 before we have like an adopted council
31:01 adopted concept you know if there's any
31:06 development that is scheduled change any
31:10 part of Gilman works now well there's
31:16 the development agreement with Gilman
31:19 lofts at Rainier and juniper and Gilman
31:23 they're putting in a traffic signal
31:24 there which was it'll I think being do
31:30 we know when it's under construction or
31:31 spring
31:34 and then there's I know of one other
31:38 development that's that's looking at
31:40 potential changes on women that's all I
31:44 know though during the next page is kind
31:48 of identify and track those so that as
31:50 those projects are starting we as we're
31:53 developing a concept are aware of what's
31:55 happening along the corridor okay so
31:57 there will be restrictions on what
32:01 exactly how they develop and oh it would
32:05 fit into the plan that you're gonna
32:08 write so until we have a council adopted
32:11 plan we don't when developers come in
32:15 and we don't really have a lot that we
32:17 can tell them as far as what the future
32:19 of Gilman looks like right that's why we
32:21 really want to get this project done and
32:23 do it so yes there could be well for
32:28 example Gilman lofts they have a
32:29 development agreement they're coming in
32:30 with a signal that'll be under
32:31 construction and then we will see if we
32:36 can work with what that was done been
32:38 there may be a comment in a question oh
32:44 this is long-range thinking so you got
32:47 to go past the here and now and think
32:49 about what's the future development
32:50 pattern plan for this area which is
32:52 higher density by a longshot compared to
32:55 what what's there now and Gilman is
32:57 still going to be a signature street as
33:00 it comes through the city and so the
33:02 profile and the look and feel of this
33:05 both from a Auto and from pedestrians or
33:08 bikes is going to be important so the
33:10 design and I know you spent a lot of
33:12 time looking at those concepts and
33:13 anchoring both ends with gateway kind of
33:16 treatments of some sort I think makes
33:18 sense and I'm limiting on that some
33:20 other meeting but there's a couple other
33:23 elements in here that aren't really
33:26 detailed out in discussion too much one
33:29 is where white rail is going to land
33:31 because with that comes like a 500
33:33 install parking garage and so that's
33:36 going to create
33:38 I have a local point I guess you could
33:42 say of activity a lot of it Auto ribbon
33:46 but also you'll have a lot of activity
33:47 just around station and so I don't know
33:50 what how much thinking has been done
33:51 about where that station may land but
33:53 you have to think about that and then
33:55 you're also showing a new cross I 9990
34:01 crossing and so and not only from an
34:04 auto but from a pedestrian now you've
34:06 got an opportunity to kick the
34:07 businesses and the activities that are
34:09 going on on both sides and so where it
34:11 lands on Gilliland Boulevard would be a
34:14 nice feature as well from both an auto
34:17 or pedestrian and cycling etc and so you
34:20 just show it arrow making that
34:21 connection but it should somehow should
34:23 speak to the future opportunities I
34:25 think that those create not only the
34:27 light rail station but it's over
34:30 crossing with relation that can ask you
34:33 the where you show it is different than
34:36 is shown in the central Issaquah plan
34:38 the last slide you had up that was from
34:41 the central zakat plan where it shows so
34:45 your location is further east and it is
34:48 shown in central Issaquah plan and that
34:51 was curious why that is
34:54 so in our t IPR transportation
34:58 improvement plan
34:59 we've always it's always been talked
35:02 about is like a 10th 11th 12th ish
35:04 crossing right we I mean that's that's a
35:11 really large project that needs some
35:13 design work behind it to figure out
35:15 where the best place for that to land is
35:16 so that's why we tried to show it as
35:19 like a nice gray just a conceptual line
35:23 yeah right yeah it's in it certainly in
35:29 the plan to happen that we would have a
35:30 crossing in some vicinity but but the
35:34 exact location has certainly not been
35:36 designed or determined but but an
35:39 important opportunity the comment I
35:43 guess about the in terms your question
35:45 about relation to the central Issaquah
35:47 plan
35:48 standard is you know eventually there
35:52 should be with as I understand it this
35:54 would all be built to right-of-way for
35:58 the buildings that we go up along here
36:00 in the urban core I can very much see it
36:04 being a 25 mile an hour speed limit
36:08 because if it is going to be built to
36:10 the street Bourbon Street it should be
36:14 more of a 25 mile an hour not a
36:16 thoroughfare kind of thing and I think
36:18 it's more important for people to move
36:21 through not move through at speed so you
36:25 don't want to sit in a backup for half
36:27 an hour you don't I don't think people
36:30 are gonna feel like they need to go 35
36:32 or 45 miles an hour to speed through the
36:36 extent that in terms of thinking about
36:38 it as a lower speed limit continual
36:41 movement type of area with buildings
36:46 right up to the sidewalk Thanks I also
36:52 like to bring up something else I
36:54 learned couple weeks ago I serve on the
36:57 board of directors for visit as a qualm
36:59 and I've been working very closely with
37:02 the hotels and I'm finding out that a
37:04 lot of their their patrons actually
37:06 prefer to walk and they're walking from
37:09 Spring Hill Suites and some of other
37:11 hotels to xxx
37:13 oh that's already happening and the the
37:19 point as we start to grow we're gonna
37:22 see more and more people hitting the
37:23 street and so I think we're at the very
37:26 beginning stages of seeing more
37:30 pedestrians and more bicycles I just
37:34 thought I'd inject that there it's
37:36 already happening yeah I I'm really
37:40 excited about this I tell you the truth
37:43 because I see this as the confluence of
37:46 just an enormous opportunity and an
37:49 equally enormous challenge
37:52 and I was really happy to see the
37:54 natural environment aspect of this
37:57 reflected in the survey results and in
38:01 this document and I've given this a lot
38:04 of thought and I believe that this
38:09 presents the city of Issaquah with
38:11 really an unprecedented opportunity to
38:15 lead the entire Puget Sound region when
38:18 it comes to how we deal with Street
38:19 right off there is absolutely no global
38:24 warming denial when it comes to the
38:27 impact the street runoff has on salmon
38:29 and a significant amount of work that's
38:33 gonna be done how hard it is on Gillman
38:37 Boulevard really I think present
38:40 presents the city with an opportunity to
38:43 go full-bore on what we know is required
38:48 to save our environment and the salmon
38:51 in it in the coho which we raise here in
38:55 Issaquah so I I would really like to see
38:58 an emphasis put on whatever the plan is
39:02 for traffic street frontage and so on
39:05 sidewalks and so on I'd really like to
39:07 see the city commit to being a regional
39:12 leader when it comes to rain gardens and
39:15 dealing with stormwater runoff in a way
39:18 that we can literally not just brag
39:21 about it but bring people in bring
39:24 school kids in and become a leader in
39:26 that it's just an enormous opportunity
39:28 and it's a critical issue
39:35 anybody else
39:49 yeah sorry a lot of areas the
39:53 development won't be able to push up
39:54 against Gilman because you got drainage
39:56 some fairly large drainage that runs
39:58 parallel on the south side right so just
40:02 what's the thinking about the
40:04 opportunity because I'm kind of where
40:06 Randy is the opportunity to actually
40:08 integrate that into the overall design
40:10 and experience as people are coming
40:13 through is right now it's kind of hidden
40:15 you've got a you know it's kind of off
40:17 to the side and I think it I think it's
40:19 a it's a good opportunity collect some
40:21 shopping carts - currently yes yeah no I
40:24 mean that that's there's certainly been
40:26 support trying to make that an amenity
40:29 and a good piece and a cornerstone of
40:32 the project of this quarter so so but to
40:36 your point yes there are some areas that
40:38 buildings like we will not be building
40:41 out to this earth I thought I mean
40:44 pedestrian walkway is even bikeways for
40:47 that matter don't you necessarily need
40:48 to run in line with the road mm-hmm oh
40:52 you can take them out take them around
40:55 these features that try to create some
40:57 separation it would be creative and do
41:03 something with thee if it's like you
41:08 know there can be ways to to cover that
41:11 over and have it be able to water drain
41:17 through it they'll be able to use that
41:19 thing creative think out of the box know
41:24 into Michael's point which is that the
41:27 pedestrian walkways can walk around
41:30 features I think the main piece is that
41:33 it really needs to be aesthetically
41:34 pleasing with the landscaping because
41:36 again if this is gonna be a driver for
41:38 tourism for people walking around
41:41 shopping - Ron's point people spending
41:45 the day walking up and down at one point
41:48 for miles I think it's gonna be really
41:51 like the tree canopy to me in my mind
41:53 should be a priority
41:56 I love the pictures of the trees on both
42:00 sides it's just like some of those old
42:02 neighborhoods in Seattle are just
42:05 absolutely gorgeous you show the sound
42:18 of all kind of just in a portion of the
42:20 area mm-hmm you just build it all along
42:22 i-90 though is that something that is
42:29 tightly controlled by the state they can
42:33 tell you where you can and can't do it
42:34 or the city can fund it the state's say
42:38 yes promote the most part um so that is
42:42 something that requires significant
42:44 coordination with the state if the city
42:47 were to fund it we have a lot more
42:50 influence certainly the state is
42:53 building sound walls in some areas
42:55 they've got a proposed project to build
42:56 it along like Northwest Sammamish Road
42:58 they're not currently proposed to bring
43:00 it as far as Gilman so I also found it a
43:06 little peculiar but I didn't I
43:07 I think it's early enough that we don't
43:09 really need to worry about the placement
43:11 the length at this point it's kind of
43:13 one of those things that we'll address
43:14 once we actually have some some
43:16 locations but the way it was to note it
43:18 on the map was very odd so I get that
43:23 you want to include it because it's
43:24 important that we have control over what
43:26 it looks like that's an important
43:27 feature so that's what I took more is
43:28 that why it's including the documents to
43:30 say hey we're gonna make sure that this
43:31 it's something that's what we want and
43:33 what's pleasing to us where that sound
43:39 barrier has shown there was a lot of
43:42 concern and kind of feedback from the
43:44 public that it was really uncomfortable
43:46 to walk along Gilman in that area and to
43:49 provide some separation noise barrier
43:51 would be beneficial and it also kind of
43:52 built on some of the past planning
43:55 efforts of the city had done so that was
43:56 the
43:57 now the mechanics of a sound wall I mean
44:06 it doesn't stop sound it deflects sound
44:10 as I understand and from some of the
44:12 things that have come up in under the DC
44:14 last couple years so no where are we
44:18 deflecting if that is correct where are
44:22 we deflecting the noise and it's
44:25 sentence with a preposition what is it I
44:28 mean if the concept if that if the wall
44:30 goes in there we're in the document
44:32 where it shows it does it go up does it
44:35 go across does it just bounce it back
44:37 into the into the interstate its back
44:41 into the interstate I honestly don't
44:44 know it goes back and that can be
44:50 attenuated you know it's a pressure wave
44:52 sound is a pressure wave so so it can be
44:55 attenuated by the texture of the wall
44:59 and it also is redirected back into the
45:01 from the source that it came from the
45:04 reason I mentioned it at all is because
45:08 there has been some discussion people
45:10 that live up on squawk Mountain about
45:12 the fact that we you know we can hear
45:14 ninety all the time anyways but the
45:18 concern is that if this went up and it
45:20 was designed to protect the immediate
45:22 environment is it going to send is it
45:25 going to actually result in louder noise
45:28 somewhere else and that's that would be
45:32 a concern that idea
45:36 and to that point about the sound walls
45:40 what about a vegetated sound wall
45:43 wouldn't vegetation warm the sound and
45:46 helped it like because it's textured
45:49 it's a textural thing so it can but then
45:52 you have the issue of of what it looks
45:54 like when all the leaves fall off or
45:56 honey I mean there and there's a
45:57 maintenance thing so all that cuz all
46:00 that can be considered but it's part of
46:02 the design you just have to decide where
46:04 you want about the ceiling walls like on
46:07 Mercer Island all that natural growth it
46:09 doesn't foliage typically doesn't fall
46:12 off does it certainly there would have
46:17 to be some design around this idea right
46:20 should it move forward once point I like
46:26 the idea of thinking outside the box
46:27 maybe that means exploring a raised
46:30 pedestrian walkway you know where we try
46:33 to build up we know that we're we've
46:36 approved some very large buildings to be
46:40 here and when we think about how we
46:42 planned it to be why think limited to
46:45 the street level when our buildings are
46:48 going up why not think about utilizing
46:50 our space in a different way as well
46:51 that gives another opportunity for a
46:54 little mini Gardens things like that
46:57 when we think about kind of maybe
46:58 building up as well for our pedestrians
47:01 and not just for the buildings so you
47:04 think about kind of implementation I
47:06 also want to make a point about you know
47:09 right now we have a pin point I think is
47:10 it is it fourth right now it's closed
47:12 off by the post office and I know for
47:16 myself and for others it's it's been a
47:18 big pain point I'm having to go all the
47:20 way around the loop in Issaquah every
47:21 day and just the duration of it and we
47:23 think about how you're going to be
47:26 running through phase two is I really
47:28 encourage you to take your time with it
47:29 because kind of that you know in your
47:32 words tearing up Gilman or kind of
47:33 restructuring it is it's going to be
47:36 painful and in doing it in a way that is
47:39 quick and methodical will be very
47:42 important because what we don't want is
47:44 to have it stretch out into a duration
47:49 that
47:49 is a pain point and the end then we then
47:53 maybe once it's opened back up have
47:55 lowered the speed limit drastically I
47:56 mean people are gonna be pretty upset
47:58 and I don't know that necessarily people
48:00 are going to be following along with the
48:01 concept if not everybody is feeling like
48:04 it's happened at a good pace if that
48:07 makes sense you know you could lower it
48:09 and know when the speed limit and no one
48:11 pays attention to it because they're
48:11 like to thank god this is finally open
48:13 you know you start putting traffic
48:15 lights everywhere I mean I think also
48:17 the way that you implement and so that
48:19 planning for phase two will actually
48:21 make a difference in how people use it
48:23 if that makes sense you know and kind of
48:25 creating the best I know that sounds
48:29 really hippy but the best vibes possible
48:31 in the community for how how we really
48:35 restructure this space that no nobody
48:49 wants to do any more comments I'd like
48:53 to open it up and ask the audience if
48:55 they have any comments you don't have to
49:00 but your if you would look when I
49:12 if you would just kind of tell us who
49:14 you are I'm a net trigger I do live down
49:17 here in the valley and I've been to
49:18 multiple meetings here to try to figure
49:22 out the best usage for gilben Mike sorry
49:27 I'm short the best usage for Gillman
49:31 village since I do walk it almost daily
49:34 and I would like to say I want to tell
49:37 you thank you Darrell right Nathan
49:39 excuse me Nathan I really like the way
49:44 that you've presented and the way that
49:47 you kind of put together your the
49:49 package I guess I just want to think I
49:52 just think that how you've done it and
49:55 how you presented it and put different
49:57 ideas together has been really great so
49:59 I just want to say thank you for that
50:00 and you've been really open and
50:09 transparent to and I thought that was
50:11 really great also to the city I want to
50:13 say thank you to on keeping open the
50:17 idea alerting people I want to say that
50:22 I was gonna go to my head but the biking
50:29 situation you know where you talked
50:30 about not mixing it up I bicycles and
50:33 pedestrians
50:35 I used the Juniper trail almost daily
50:40 too and I do have an e-bike and so and I
50:43 do walk as a pedestrian and I do see how
50:46 they both can work together very well
50:48 and especially with that distance of the
50:51 Juniper Trail I think that's really
50:54 great I think from the people I've
50:57 talked to they like to have the
51:00 landscaping more a little more natural
51:03 with like trees but nothing too overly
51:06 done because as we've seen on Kiln in
51:09 village are not yelling village of
51:10 Gillman Boulevard it doesn't seem like
51:16 perhaps the city has been taking care of
51:20 it as well as they could and so with
51:23 more extra you know exotic plants or
51:28 exotic plantings or whatever it I don't
51:31 see how it can look great or be
51:34 maintained by the city I think we want
51:36 to have it maintained very well if we're
51:38 gonna have it it has to be maintained
51:40 and look great in my opinion as far as a
51:46 pedestrian over pass like you were
51:48 discussing I don't care for that idea I
51:52 don't think as a woman walking at night
51:55 I don't want to be in an area that I'm
51:58 locked into so I don't think for me that
52:02 would be a comfortable situation for me
52:05 like the on nine hundred you know where
52:10 they had that wooden thing that you had
52:12 walked it on this endless every time I
52:14 walked on that I felt kind of
52:17 uncomfortable so I don't think as far as
52:20 walking on that sort of a situation on
52:23 Gilman Boulevard that would not be a
52:25 comfortable situation as a woman for me
52:27 especially at night anyway thanks for
52:30 listening to my comments I hope it
52:32 helped a little bit I'll come back to
52:43 the panel here does anybody have any
52:45 last thoughts before we move on to our
52:48 next absolute point one thought about
52:52 the speaking of the bikes I think what
52:54 I've seen from the cities and in the
52:57 remainder of the East Lake Sammamish
53:00 trail I thought I read might be finished
53:02 they think in 2020
53:05 I'm frame thinking about that connection
53:08 at Gilman rain
53:10 where the trail comes in I think as soon
53:12 as that's finished and that opens up
53:14 we're going to see a lot of bicycles I'm
53:18 into downtown Issaquah and it'd be
53:20 really nice for our plans to sync up so
53:23 that changes of that intersection are
53:26 finished something's done by the same
53:28 time that that trail is opened up along
53:30 Samantha I just would it was this was
53:35 mentioned before by one of my colleagues
53:37 on the Development Commission I the
53:39 thing that the great big elephant in the
53:42 room to me is Sound Transit frankly what
53:48 I know about where other Eastside cities
53:51 are with designating where the terminals
53:53 are going to be we're way behind as I
53:57 understand it we're way behind the curve
53:58 on that and this project is significant
54:04 as it is to the town I you know I don't
54:08 know how we proceed without knowing more
54:13 than we do about where the sound trends
54:16 is going to be and where the feeding
54:19 stations are going to be parking lots
54:21 and so I I just I'd really like to see
54:25 more information if there is any about
54:30 where we are in planning for Sound
54:32 Transit and then you know then we can
54:36 really start tying what we're doing here
54:39 I go in Boulevard do that because that's
54:42 gonna that's gonna happen you know right
54:51 so you know we don't know where the
54:53 sound transit station is we know it we
54:56 expect it to be in the you know vicinity
54:59 of Gilman we are making sure that we're
55:02 doing everything we can to make sure
55:03 that what we are going forward with
55:06 wouldn't preclude sound transit or vice
55:09 versa right but I think that maybe it
55:13 was Joan you know asking about the
55:15 developments that are coming in right so
55:17 part of we don't want to wait for the
55:20 sound transit station be location to be
55:22 finalized and determined necessarily
55:24 because then that means that as
55:26 developers come in we can't use you know
55:29 take advantage of that to implement some
55:32 of the Gilman vision with the developer
55:34 furnitures right so we are we are
55:36 playing this balancing game and as we
55:39 get more information about Sound Transit
55:40 you know that might could continue to
55:42 impact what we do on Gilman does the
55:46 timeframe for Sound Transit look like I
55:49 mean it doesn't get built until like 20
55:51 40 right planning wise 2026 just one
56:02 more comment about the work the process
56:09 that you went through to really reach
56:12 out to the community and collect
56:13 information weigh the information the
56:17 different concepts have been organized
56:20 and then laid it into some
56:22 recommendations here ah this is a really
56:24 good work and understand we're still at
56:26 a very conceptual level with this and
56:28 you're trying to figure out you know how
56:30 does this translate into real life on
56:32 the ground
56:34 Boulevard but four of the framework as
56:36 you're describing this I think this is
56:38 an excellent start to the thinking and
56:41 the future work that will reshape I
56:43 think I think the Sigma one I think it
56:45 just speaks to the city's job great
56:48 thank you I would also like to mention
56:50 something I work at Microsoft and I
56:54 commute from here to there by bike going
56:58 on these sleek spammers Parkway
57:00 Microsoft has over 100 buildings and
57:03 every building has between 60 to 100
57:06 bikes parked in it per day a lot of
57:09 people and I in a short time I've been
57:13 there I've probably engaged maybe a
57:15 dozen people that I actually bike from
57:18 as a qualm and I just happen to stumble
57:20 upon them by chance so you just want to
57:25 throw that out there that are people
57:27 starting to use the bike paths in ways
57:29 that you really would like them to do
57:31 that get them out of the car so I'm
57:36 curious if we see this again if if after
57:40 pending council approval of this when
57:42 you're doing phase 2 if you'll be coming
57:44 back to us so at this point we're
57:47 planning on probably doing more of a
57:49 design charrette where we didn't buy you
57:52 guys would be welcome to join but we
57:54 probably wouldn't come specifically to
57:55 the PPC or DC meetings that we would
57:58 look at having a more integrated process
58:01 where we would potentially invite you
58:02 guys and the other boards and
58:04 commissions we visited as well to take
58:06 part so will we plan on keeping you guys
58:09 informed I asked because a big part of
58:13 what we've worked on especially in the
58:15 last year has been kind of reimagining
58:17 the core and this is a big deal and it's
58:21 a little bit cart before the horse you
58:24 know what's gonna happen here is really
58:27 based on the concepts that we've really
58:29 been working on of what we see coming a
58:32 decade and further down the line so it's
58:36 I would be very interested to see what
58:40 phase two looks like and
58:42 oh how we're going to do this and kind
58:45 of how these concepts really parcel out
58:47 into you know hard ideas
59:12 okay I should say we have just started
59:16 to scope out next year's work Nathan and
59:20 I have started talking about that to get
59:21 to get ready to start in January so
59:23 we're still working on that process
59:39 I don't understand why this microphone
59:43 keeps going off but technology anyway
59:48 thank you it's a big presentation and
59:50 good working and thanks for going out to
59:52 the community and getting all of their
59:55 input good work great thank you very
59:59 much so with that they take five minute
1:00:04 break and planning policy it's going to
1:00:08 go back to their original seats and DC
1:00:10 is that welcome to stay and in a few
1:00:15 minutes discussing amendments to the
1:00:20 development and design plan I don't
1:00:23 think it's a a major discussion but you
1:00:27 were certainly welcome to plan to say
1:00:29 because you're going to be implementing
1:07:43 continue the meeting tonight and talk a
1:07:46 little bit about the proposed amendments
1:07:48 to the central area development and
1:07:51 design standards but first I was an era
1:07:56 we did not finish the discussion on the
1:08:01 on Gilman they had asked for a letter of
1:08:07 approval of encouragement of from us at
1:08:13 CPC to take it with them to their
1:08:17 discussion with the City Council I need
1:08:20 a motion if you're willing to if you
1:08:24 believe that the plan as presented by
1:08:28 yeah is to your liking
1:08:32 I understand this is the concept but do
1:08:35 you think that the work is done well and
1:08:37 we can continue on and present this to
1:08:40 City Council with our approval
1:08:43 endorsement I do I actually like how you
1:08:47 I was I love how you just worded that
1:08:49 it's it's perfectly put to the fact that
1:08:52 the work that's done is really excellent
1:08:54 and this document is very thorough and
1:08:58 though it's very preliminary in early I
1:09:01 say we continue on with it as as
1:09:03 presented so I need a motion to write
1:09:09 that to have this have a letter
1:09:12 presented staff write a letter with our
1:09:14 rule also motion did you state the
1:09:20 motion oh I'm a motion for the Planning
1:09:23 Policy Commission to draft our
1:09:26 endorsement of this framework plan for
1:09:29 Gilman Boulevard then it moved to
1:09:31 Council for for a second look a second
1:09:35 the motion
1:09:35 any other discussion all those in favor
1:09:39 say aye
1:09:39 all right opposed
1:09:43 here we no opposition the motion carries
1:09:46 so if staff would work with us to
1:09:51 write a letter of endorsement which VN
1:09:56 can take to the City Council okay with
1:09:59 that we are going to start a discussion
1:10:02 on the amendments and we're lucky to
1:10:06 have our new senior planner
1:10:09 Emily kind of walk us through and what
1:10:12 what we're discussing tonight
1:10:14 great thank you my name is Emily art at
1:10:16 a Senior Planner here at the city of
1:10:19 Issaquah and wanted to welcome all of
1:10:20 the DC members out this amendment as it
1:10:23 it does directly impact your workload
1:10:27 with that being said let's go ahead and
1:10:29 start the presentation so I'm here today
1:10:32 to present a change to level of review
1:10:35 for central Issaquah if you're not
1:10:38 familiar with levels of review they are
1:10:43 in the development code located in 18 it
1:10:50 is a process a procedure for the review
1:10:54 and decision making of land use
1:10:55 applications Emily
1:10:58 was it not just a little louder oh sure
1:11:02 the mic is on though right yeah
1:11:11 so there are several levels of review
1:11:13 that exist all the way up to level six
1:11:18 citywide some have less important or
1:11:22 less they're less prominent level zero
1:11:24 review all the way up to level six
1:11:26 review which would be the greatest
1:11:27 potential for impacts like reasons land
1:11:29 use comprehensive plan amendments things
1:11:31 that PPC would review and then there's
1:11:34 this mid-level range of review level
1:11:36 three which requires Development
1:11:39 Commission review which you're very
1:11:41 familiar with and earlier this year the
1:11:44 city adopted two separate orden C's for
1:11:49 talus and Highlands which outlined
1:11:51 some development criteria and a
1:11:53 threshold basis for level three review
1:11:56 that that code language is current in
1:12:02 existing but it doesn't match what we
1:12:04 currently have in central Issaquah so
1:12:07 this is a table of what central Issaquah
1:12:09 x' level review level of review
1:12:11 currently looks like you've zero through
1:12:13 three with three being the highest going
1:12:16 to Development Commission and requiring
1:12:19 a different trigger based on a different
1:12:23 trigger of level of a3 review based on
1:12:25 the zone that it falls within there are
1:12:29 any questions about that so far
1:12:34 so what we'd like to do is we'd like to
1:12:36 bring up that level three review to
1:12:39 match what talus and a squawk squawk
1:12:42 Islands currently has which would
1:12:47 increase opportunities for the public to
1:12:50 be informed about development that's
1:12:52 going on but also would bring a lot more
1:12:55 development applications to the
1:12:57 development Commission we did a little
1:13:02 map to kind of show exactly what might
1:13:04 be happening there and so as you can see
1:13:06 those shaded areas show parcels that are
1:13:10 over three acres in size and with the
1:13:14 potential of being along some identified
1:13:20 corridors these blue areas would go to a
1:13:23 level three review
1:13:26 and as you can see there are very few
1:13:29 parcels in there that are just white
1:13:33 colored the shaded parcels are ones that
1:13:35 are would be triggered with a level 3
1:13:38 review based on size or proximity to the
1:13:41 blue corridors the blue corridors are
1:13:43 areas of high visibility and that would
1:13:46 be important for the people to know
1:13:47 about if there's going to be a
1:13:48 development application submitted this
1:13:54 is what a revised table would look like
1:13:57 elevating projects to a level 3 review
1:14:01 based on not only 3 acres or greater but
1:14:07 a combined 3 acre site if there was
1:14:10 multiple properties adjacent to each
1:14:12 other under the same ownership or
1:14:15 located on one of those blue corridors
1:14:18 streets it essentially diminishes or
1:14:22 takes out the level to review because
1:14:24 Issaquah Highlands and talus both
1:14:27 require development 3 I mean level 3
1:14:30 review for projects that are 45 thousand
1:14:33 square feet or greater of gross floor
1:14:36 area and because it is complicated a map
1:14:46 would also be accompanying the changes
1:14:48 to that would also be in central squad
1:14:50 standards to show where these blue
1:14:53 corridors are located and when
1:14:55 properties that come in located would
1:14:57 have access street frontage or about one
1:15:00 of the blue corridors then it would
1:15:01 automatically go to a level 3 review so
1:15:07 we're here to present that change for
1:15:10 consistency open up a public hearing and
1:15:13 then get your recommendation to go to
1:15:15 the landed Shore committee for their
1:15:17 review and approval are there any
1:15:23 questions about you said the change you
1:15:26 said the square footage would be up to 3
1:15:29 acres that would require level 3 review
1:15:31 or currently is 3
1:15:33 kurz but just to clarify with providing
1:15:37 consistency throughout the city
1:15:38 standards it would be a combined three
1:15:40 acres as well so if you have if you were
1:15:43 a property owner that owned adjacent
1:15:45 property and combined it was three acres
1:15:48 or greater they would go to level three
1:15:50 real that's three like individual tax
1:15:54 parcels yes if they were if there were
1:15:57 more than one tax parcel under the same
1:15:59 ownership Jason or with as an area
1:16:05 adjacent under the same owner so what
1:16:12 does this do in the way of time delay
1:16:15 for developers or individuals who want
1:16:20 to develop their property and what does
1:16:23 it do for cost to developers cost for
1:16:28 developers I'm not sure what that would
1:16:30 do we could look into that and and maybe
1:16:32 come back to you about that as far as
1:16:35 time goes it would add time to the
1:16:38 review of their projects so currently if
1:16:41 they are under a threshold lower than
1:16:45 level two level three you know they'd be
1:16:47 going to level three review which would
1:16:48 be Development Commission
1:16:56 just a little bit of context so I'll
1:16:59 give you a specific example that may
1:17:01 help you guys put this into some
1:17:03 perspective so when we talked about the
1:17:06 neighborhood visions and we talked about
1:17:09 icy icy zone the intensive commercial
1:17:12 zone and if you remember we basically
1:17:15 decided to take all of icy out of
1:17:17 central Issaquah except for those
1:17:19 parcels right on East Lake Sam right and
1:17:21 we know one of those parcels Carlson
1:17:24 kennels is owned by the owner of
1:17:28 Evergreen Ford and they are planning to
1:17:31 build a new car dealership there so part
1:17:34 of what this changes so what the
1:17:38 threshold used to be in central Issaquah
1:17:41 was because when those standards were
1:17:44 put together the idea was we were trying
1:17:46 to facilitate development and so a lot
1:17:49 of development was being allowed to be
1:17:51 done administratively so you could do up
1:17:53 to a hundred thousand square feet of
1:17:55 building and that would be a level one
1:17:58 review it would not go it would not go
1:18:01 to the Development Commission and be
1:18:02 level two sorry level two would not go
1:18:04 to development Commission and so what
1:18:06 this does because now Eastlake Sam is a
1:18:09 major street that car dealership turns
1:18:14 into a level 3 review and that would go
1:18:17 to the development Commission and so
1:18:19 part of this is coming out of a
1:18:22 conversation with the end of the
1:18:25 development agreements and the adoption
1:18:27 of the replacement regulations which is
1:18:30 then came from Council which is that
1:18:33 there are certain streets in our town
1:18:36 that when things change on those streets
1:18:39 the community notices and cares and that
1:18:42 process should be more public which is
1:18:46 the Development Commission and so what
1:18:48 this change in code would do would be to
1:18:51 send more things to the Development
1:18:52 Commission when they're happening on
1:18:55 those major streets and that corresponds
1:18:58 to the map that Emily showed earlier and
1:19:00 so you know it's it's increasing the
1:19:04 transparency related to development
1:19:06 review to to Joan's question cost wise
1:19:10 there should be no cost difference
1:19:12 because the code is still the code it's
1:19:15 just changing the decision maker from
1:19:18 the city staff to the City Development
1:19:21 Commission but we're still we will be
1:19:24 writing the staff report it will just go
1:19:25 to DC for review and ultimate decision
1:19:28 so there's a time delay in that but the
1:19:33 decision should be the decision whether
1:19:34 it comes out of staff or whether comes
1:19:36 out of the Development Commission is
1:19:38 this gone to development convention for
1:19:41 discussion so code code amendments do
1:19:47 not go to development commission they
1:19:48 come to planning policy commission so I
1:19:51 recall going through this originally
1:19:54 when we were wrapping up the end of the
1:19:55 development agreements I came at this
1:19:57 from my former role on the U V DC and
1:20:00 found that losing that forum was
1:20:04 something that we were concerned about
1:20:06 and basically what this was designed to
1:20:08 do was to give a level of oversight that
1:20:11 we felt comfortable with not to put you
1:20:13 in the watchdog C DC but it also gave
1:20:17 the community a chance to speak rather
1:20:19 than feeling like things were happening
1:20:21 to them the dissolving the U V DC meant
1:20:26 that that needed to go somewhere and
1:20:28 this seemed like a good Avenue for there
1:20:31 to be a little bit of enough of a pause
1:20:34 and development that a review was
1:20:38 happening in a public space where people
1:20:40 were able to comment and able to see and
1:20:42 to better understand and what I found
1:20:44 from my work on it was that we got a
1:20:46 better result from really having that
1:20:48 interaction with the community rather
1:20:50 than kind of skipping that step and just
1:20:52 having a bead developer in a city I was
1:20:55 fourth then I'm for it now so we saw
1:20:58 that we saw this as solving a few
1:21:01 problems actually and I remember
1:21:03 speaking with Lucy about it as far as
1:21:05 what does that then look like and it was
1:21:08 too early to be able to say whether DC
1:21:10 got expanded and was larger because they
1:21:13 needed to have obviously absorbed this
1:21:14 workload do you see is already has a
1:21:16 pretty full docket and so there was
1:21:18 discussions with the city about how do
1:21:20 we how does this trickle down
1:21:23 but we felt pretty firmly that this
1:21:25 solved several issues I don't have a
1:21:29 problem with it I just wanted to know
1:21:32 the specific so that everybody was well
1:21:34 aware of of what was going on
1:21:36 do I have any comments from this hours
1:21:42 would be here I do have a question on
1:21:45 your chart yeah on the revised table I
1:21:52 stable okay
1:21:54 [Music]
1:21:58 yes that that's right
1:22:01 I don't see level three on there and
1:22:04 wonder why it level three drops off yeah
1:22:08 I'm not sure if that was a err or not
1:22:13 you don't see the changes on there so
1:22:18 that table would have level three you're
1:22:20 right yeah okay so level three even on
1:22:26 the handout it's not showing up it's a
1:22:31 gross it's a gross three acres or more
1:22:35 of gross floor area and that would be
1:22:38 combined any of the properties located
1:22:40 on the blue corridors and anything
1:22:44 greater than 45,000 square feet and
1:22:47 actually I should apologize the reason
1:22:49 why you don't see it on this particular
1:22:51 chart is because we whoops we took it
1:22:54 off from the chart the chart became too
1:22:57 cumbersome to actually read because
1:23:00 we've we wanted to squeeze too much into
1:23:02 those little boxes so we decided instead
1:23:04 of trying to squeeze in too much we
1:23:07 would just put it up above in text so if
1:23:12 you look in your packets up above you'll
1:23:14 see how level three is actually
1:23:16 described you would still have the chart
1:23:19 for levels zero and one correct yes yeah
1:23:22 because it just became so cumbersome we
1:23:25 actually decided to type it out in a
1:23:28 sentence and make it very clear I guess
1:23:31 my recommendation would be to have it in
1:23:35 the table I think for
1:23:37 a lot of people that it's all clearing
1:23:39 the table wherever if I'm a developer
1:23:41 and I'm looking to figure out where I
1:23:43 fit right I can see it in a table and
1:23:46 this big this bigger this big that's a
1:23:48 great idea and we could certainly go
1:23:50 back and look at that I know one of the
1:23:52 comments that was made is that the city
1:23:53 has numerous numerous footnotes and that
1:23:56 if we attempted to try to squeeze it
1:23:58 into the table it would just be a
1:24:00 footnote to the table so I'm willing to
1:24:03 work with you guys however you think it
1:24:05 would be best put in but I'll definitely
1:24:08 make that note in that comment I think
1:24:10 it would be best to salve level even if
1:24:12 level 2 is blank and then we skipped a
1:24:15 level 3 have that notated I'd rather
1:24:16 have notes a note saying I'd rather have
1:24:19 the cumbersome footnote than needing to
1:24:21 rely on text above ok doesn't me the
1:24:24 text above needs to go away I just think
1:24:26 that in addition to is but is preferred
1:24:29 perfect thank you since you're asking
1:24:34 for questions just a curiosity question
1:24:36 did you do any assessment of kind of
1:24:38 past development activity and match it
1:24:40 up against the new thresholds to see
1:24:42 what is the percentage of additional
1:24:45 projects it would be in front of the
1:24:47 Development Commission for just from a
1:24:48 workload management standpoint not that
1:24:50 you know we're not exactly that analysis
1:24:53 but we did take a look at the parcels
1:24:55 and noticed that it was you know over a
1:24:59 hundred parcels more would be added to
1:25:01 the development Commission's agenda
1:25:06 potentially we don't know when and if
1:25:08 those will actually come to surface but
1:25:11 there are very few parcels that don't
1:25:14 need any of the criteria and the one
1:25:17 that we wouldn't really be able to pin
1:25:19 down would be the the gross floor area
1:25:21 of proposed development as come in for
1:25:31 like free apps or collaboration meetings
1:25:33 there's really not a lot so so if this
1:25:36 code amendment goes through it's not
1:25:38 like you know a switch will turn and all
1:25:41 of a sudden there's going to be a ton of
1:25:42 things on your and we'll be asking you
1:25:45 guys to meet every every two or three
1:25:46 days that could happen though Mike you
1:25:49 know it's what
1:25:49 things where you know if if central
1:25:52 starts really taking off you know that
1:25:54 could definitely happen and and I think
1:25:56 we could always adjust Joey had a
1:25:59 suggestion earlier about you know we've
1:26:01 talked about making subcommittees
1:26:03 there's things we can do if we get to
1:26:05 that peak workload a moment but it's not
1:26:08 on the horizon right now I think you
1:26:10 guys are gonna get maybe a high school
1:26:12 in a middle school if the school
1:26:13 district can buy land but there's not a
1:26:15 lot after that you know I would defer to
1:26:18 my colleagues to icon and Mel who have
1:26:22 been are clearly the senior members of
1:26:24 the Development Commission in terms of I
1:26:27 got more do you do but it seems to me
1:26:31 that I recall the time that I've been on
1:26:33 that that and years ago we were doing
1:26:40 two applications a meeting and the
1:26:44 meetings were every you know every other
1:26:47 Wednesday and then it's on down so as
1:26:51 far as I'm concerned there's a there's a
1:26:53 there's some slack in there in terms of
1:26:57 what what we were able to handle I think
1:27:01 efficiently in terms of our committee
1:27:03 our our commitment individually to
1:27:05 development commission and where we've
1:27:08 been in the last you know eight years or
1:27:10 so so I'm not I'm not really without
1:27:16 understanding anymore that I do now I'm
1:27:17 not certainly not speaking for my
1:27:19 colleagues but I remember when we had a
1:27:20 lot more meetings with more applications
1:27:23 per meeting than we've had in a long
1:27:25 time you're ready for more applications
1:27:29 bring it on I just I think there's like
1:27:33 I think there's there is the slack right
1:27:36 between what we're what we've been doing
1:27:38 recently and what was the norm sometime
1:27:41 back I think the city would appreciate
1:27:43 more applications coming in for Central
1:27:45 Issaquah well and I I guess my two cents
1:27:48 would be that the opportunity to be more
1:27:51 more transparent you know we see
1:27:53 development happening often with nobody
1:27:55 knowing for sure what what's going on so
1:27:57 that that opportunity for transparency
1:28:00 is really high needs to be and it could
1:28:04 really develop some good feelings
1:28:05 towards the city to be able to have that
1:28:07 open and and more opportunity for public
1:28:09 input right I I agree and the
1:28:12 consistency with how the level three is
1:28:14 applied throughout the city is another
1:28:17 bonus to this change and just to throw a
1:28:20 totally green because I agree with
1:28:22 Commissioner Lewis a comment about all
1:28:24 her comments about the openness and the
1:28:26 ability for the public to have a chance
1:28:28 to come in a common thing because I
1:28:29 probably think at 150,000 square feet at
1:28:32 a thousand square foot unit somebody
1:28:34 theoretically right now could have a
1:28:35 hundred and fifty unit project come in
1:28:38 say on Gilman Boulevard it would not go
1:28:41 in front of a public hearing and that
1:28:44 would not seem appropriate in terms of
1:28:48 the openness of that we've always had
1:28:49 news across so I'm totally for this
1:28:51 amendment I think that was my concern
1:28:55 with the presentation of and I've just
1:29:01 lost my train of thought but if it was
1:29:04 going to come back if Gilman if the
1:29:08 Gilman Boulevard recommendations where
1:29:11 it's not going to come back to PPC then
1:29:13 I would be very disappointed because I
1:29:15 want that openness I mean that's the
1:29:17 reason PPC is here basically is besides
1:29:20 making comments and still that everybody
1:29:22 know what is going on in the community
1:29:24 so so I yes and I agree that there
1:29:31 should be as much on these
1:29:38 this chart is possible not only for
1:29:42 people to understand but I think it
1:29:44 makes it what would make it easier for
1:29:47 the Development Commission if it was
1:29:49 specific so that the builders could come
1:29:52 in and they could actually see on a
1:29:54 chart they didn't have to read something
1:29:56 they could see it on the chart and be
1:29:58 clear before they even got to DC would
1:30:01 the Commission feel comfortable with
1:30:02 staff going ahead and making that change
1:30:04 with the only change without coming back
1:30:07 again to another PPP PPC meeting yeah is
1:30:13 there anything else oh I think you
1:30:18 backing off joy and everybody else I
1:30:20 think like you said more transparency is
1:30:21 great we do need a motion a motion to
1:30:34 accept that change and having gone to
1:30:38 City Council so skew somebody like to me
1:30:40 excuse me so technically this is a
1:30:43 public hearing so we I realized there's
1:30:47 no one I don't know if but DC may want
1:30:50 to get up and speak his residence here
1:30:52 but I think we need to open the public
1:30:54 hearing and then close the public
1:30:55 hearing before making a recommendation
1:31:01 so I can open the public meeting before
1:31:06 we have a final vote on the motion so I
1:31:09 will open the public meeting you're in
1:31:13 regard to development and design
1:31:17 standards at 8:05 would anybody like to
1:31:23 come to the the microphone and make any
1:31:27 comments would anybody like to come to
1:31:33 the microphone and make any comments
1:31:37 hearing none I will close the public
1:31:40 meeting at 8:05 and a half and we will
1:31:45 continue on with the motion I like to
1:31:48 make a motion for the city to take this
1:31:50 to the City Council with PBC's approval
1:31:54 I have a second I'll second the adoption
1:31:58 of the finding of facts all those in
1:32:02 favor say aye aye opposed motion carries
1:32:06 you're welcome thank you Emily do you
1:32:12 have anything else to say no thank you
1:32:15 for your time tonight okay would you
1:32:17 learning Development Commission for
1:32:21 their great input on both of these
1:32:25 issues so thank you and you're certainly
1:32:27 welcome any time you want to come for
1:32:41 the the PPC and the DC to meet and have
1:32:45 the opportunity to actually discuss
1:32:47 things and ask questions at this level I
1:32:50 just I really just you know it's not if
1:32:53 it weren't mandatory but if it continues
1:32:55 to be hey you and then this is gonna be
1:32:57 the topic I think it's very especially
1:33:01 on big things like this I appreciate it
1:33:03 I agree we really appreciate your
1:33:05 collaboration and as I talked to Mel
1:33:08 earlier today it goes both ways so
1:33:11 anytime that DC would like to invite us
1:33:13 to come specifically to join them we are
1:33:16 we as a committee would be glad to take
1:33:19 part in any discussion
1:33:24 I remember some four-and-a-half-hour
1:33:33 meetings that planning policy had last
1:33:36 year over and over again so I think it's
1:33:39 your turn
1:33:41 so is there anything else for the good
1:33:44 of the order Joan would you would like
1:33:47 to hear any updates on things that have
1:33:48 gone to Landon Shore would you all like
1:33:51 to hear any updates on things that have
1:33:52 gone to Landon sure that you all
1:33:54 recommend it and where they might stand
1:33:55 I'm just thinking old town
1:33:57 Landon Shore recommended approval with
1:34:00 one change so it goes to Council on the
1:34:02 19th the partner to for 3a which she
1:34:07 looked at tonight permitted uses for 3b
1:34:09 went back to Landon Shore but is now
1:34:14 being recommended for approval by them
1:34:16 and also goes on the 19th and the last
1:34:17 one is wait again with a caveat yes so
1:34:21 so councilmember hunt
1:34:25 you remember her she she she was
1:34:31 concerned about prohibiting duplex
1:34:34 triplex and for plexes in mixed use in
1:34:37 the core her concern was about housing
1:34:40 diversity I think if you if you take out
1:34:44 duplex triplex and for plexes then is
1:34:47 the question that she raised is the only
1:34:50 housing that you would get stacked flats
1:34:52 and I think if all we were getting were
1:34:55 stacked flats and the core and mix use
1:34:59 is roughly 500 acres ish just under so
1:35:07 so so we we spooled up a conversation
1:35:11 about density and diversity so it's
1:35:14 turned into density and diversity so so
1:35:17 on one hand of the the spectrum is
1:35:20 diversity and you know do we want our
1:35:24 kind of core downtown part of the city
1:35:28 all stacked flats but on the flip side
1:35:32 and I think it's the reason why PPC I'll
1:35:35 initially
1:35:37 busted removing duplex triplex four-plex
1:35:39 from those zones is can we afford to
1:35:44 develop redevelop part of our most dense
1:35:49 part of central Issaquah in such a
1:35:51 low-density product type and so
1:35:55 basically because it's it's complicated
1:36:00 question and we had a month or less to
1:36:03 actually start to provide an analysis we
1:36:07 we kicked the can so what is going back
1:36:11 to council on the 19th on table for 3b
1:36:15 is to adopt the edits that came through
1:36:19 PPC except for reserving the removal of
1:36:25 duplex triplex four-plex
1:36:27 until a bigger a bigger analysis of
1:36:32 density and diversity of housing can be
1:36:34 done by the administration in 2019 so
1:36:38 they basically pulled that one piece out
1:36:40 and didn't say we don't support it said
1:36:43 we need more information we want to go
1:36:45 ahead and get the rest of 4-3 be adopted
1:36:48 but this one element needs to have a
1:36:51 bigger conversation and so that will
1:36:54 likely be something that the
1:36:56 administration starts with brings back
1:36:58 to PPC and then back to Council to
1:37:02 resolve it next year so sorry for that
1:37:05 it was that's okay no it was good to
1:37:07 include and then the last one is the
1:37:10 zoning of the intensive commercial and
1:37:13 what was destination retail they were
1:37:16 pulled out of central Issaquah and they
1:37:19 are being recommended for approval but
1:37:21 the destination retail area and I
1:37:23 believe the development standards that
1:37:25 you've all discussed with the property
1:37:26 owners are remaining essentially the
1:37:28 same what's changing is the name it's
1:37:30 not going to be destination retail it
1:37:32 will be mixed use so the area south of
1:37:35 i90 so that has also been recommended
1:37:37 for approval and once that happens the
1:37:42 boundaries the new centralized Daquan
1:37:45 neighborhoods and the boundaries will
1:37:46 become effective the visions are already
1:37:49 in place but everything else
1:37:50 will become effective was that happening
1:37:52 it that also goes on the 19th and the
1:37:56 everything should become effective by
1:37:57 around the end of November November 30th
1:38:00 I like hearing the feedback that's
1:38:05 really nice
1:38:06 you're welcome we like knowing that
1:38:09 council agrees that's what we came up
1:38:11 with that's even better
1:38:15 hearing no other comments concerns I'm
1:38:20 going to close the meeting at 8:12 and
1:38:26 remind everybody that there was a
1:38:29 meeting on the 15th currently you'll all
1:38:35 be here occurring Pickering room thank

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Joan Probala, Chair Emily Arteche, Senior Planner Ron Faul, Vice Chair Christen Leeson, Senior Planner Joy Lewis Brianne Ross, Senior Engineer Bill Rinehart Keith Niven, Econ. Dev. & Dev. Services Director Jason Voiss, Alt. (Acting as Voting Member) Commissioners Not Present (Excused): Lindsey Walsh Others Present: AJ McGauley, Alt. Nathan Polanski, MIG/SvR, Consultants Development Commissioners Present: Richard Sowa, Chair Mel Morgan, Jr., Vice Chair Michael Brennan Randy Harrison Kevin Price 1