Development Commission · Wednesday, September 20, 2017 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

Development Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission reviews all land Christopher Wright, use actions requiring a Level 3 review. The Project Oversight Manager Commission further serves as an advisory board to Email the City Council on land use actions requiring council approval (Level 5 review). Regular Members 2018 – Jasmina Mihova The appearance of fairness doctrine prohibits 2018 – Raymond Leong Development Commission members and City 2018 – Richard Sowa Council members from discussing the merit of 2019 – Michael Brennan specific land use development applications outside 2019 – Randolph Harrison of the formal public meeting process. Citizens, 2020 – Melvin Morgan however, may discuss any issue with the City's 2020 – Kevin Price Development Services Department. Written comments are also welcome. Alternate Members 2018 – Robert Bakh Membership 2018 – Carl…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of September 6, 2017

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3. AGENDA ITEMS

Public Hearing Proposed Permit Amendments for Kelkari Phase 2 & 3

Keith Niven, Development Services Director Dave MacDuff, Applicant · packet pp.15–36

Topics: Land Use

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0:21 ↗ there we go okay welcome everybody

0:25 ↗ ladies and gentlemen to the public

0:27 ↗ hearing for the proposed permit

0:29 ↗ amendments for calc re phases two and

0:32 ↗ three we'll have a presentation by the

0:36 ↗ development services director Keith

0:37 ↗ Niven and then probably some discussion

0:39 ↗ from the applicant and then we'll open

0:41 ↗ up the discussion for some public

0:43 ↗ comments and we're looking forward to

0:45 ↗ that we really really do appreciate the

0:48 ↗ public turning out coming out and

0:50 ↗ offering their comments so please feel

0:53 ↗ bold when you talk and and make sure if

0:55 ↗ you'd like to speak that you sign in so

0:57 ↗ we can keep track of that we have some

1:00 ↗ administrative business first we want to

1:02 ↗ approve our minutes from our September

1:05 ↗ 6th meeting and so I'll ask the

1:09 ↗ commissioners does anybody have a motion

1:13 ↗ about the minutes mr. chair

1:18 ↗ real quick before we move approval I do

1:20 ↗ have an amendment minor minor member to

1:24 ↗ page 9 of 10 of the minutes under

1:27 ↗ Brennan the word medium should be median

1:33 ↗ so removal of median and trees which was

1:36 ↗ the other than that mr. chair I move

1:41 ↗ approval of the September 6 meeting

1:43 ↗ minutes second can I hold you guys off

1:47 ↗ for a second

1:48 ↗ I believe the staff noticed something in

1:51 ↗ the minutes I don't believe that Robert

1:54 ↗ Bach or Carl Swedberg were at the last

1:57 ↗ meeting it's crazy so they should their

1:59 ↗ name should be stricken as far as

2:01 ↗ members present on page 5 of 30

2:09 ↗ if you say so this last meeting was not

2:16 ↗ there where Andy Harris was not there

2:18 ↗ last okay you see great with those

2:24 ↗ amendments mr. chair I'd move approval

2:25 ↗ the meeting minutes second any

2:29 ↗ discussion further discussion all those

2:32 ↗ in favor say aye aye all opposed

2:36 ↗ motion is carried so so I'm going to

2:42 ↗ turn over the steering wheel to Dan

2:45 ↗ Martinez a new planner for development

2:48 ↗ services and he's going to lead us

2:52 ↗ through this conversation this evening

3:01 ↗ so good evening commissioners thank you

3:06 ↗ for your service and for being here

3:09 ↗ tonight and I'm sorry is this is better

3:14 ↗ here all right great thank you for

3:16 ↗ letting me know and I again want to

3:19 ↗ think that the public your your input is

3:22 ↗ very much appreciated so we're here for

3:25 ↗ the second meeting of the Cal khari

3:29 ↗ phases two and three the first thing

3:36 ↗ that we want to address is the briefing

3:39 ↗ response memo that was written regarding

3:45 ↗ the comments and concerns that we

3:48 ↗ received at the last meeting on

3:50 ↗ September 6th now I actually want to

3:55 ↗ give the commissioners the option of I'm

3:58 ↗ happy to go through each of the issues

4:01 ↗ and discuss staffs first and the

4:05 ↗ applicants response or I can just leave

4:09 ↗ it open to two questions that you may

4:12 ↗ have about particular issues

4:17 ↗ my my excuse my ignorance is this public

4:21 ↗ document so the people the people that

4:23 ↗ have made comments would have the chance

4:24 ↗ to read those that response yes that

4:27 ↗ that response is available on the

4:31 ↗ website now and is it is part of the

4:36 ↗ packet that that was issued for tonight

4:39 ↗ and so for those who signed up last

4:41 ↗ meeting this my understanding is as this

4:44 ↗ packet went out to all of them remember

4:46 ↗ that was part of the request to go ahead

4:48 ↗ and sign up even if they weren't going

4:49 ↗ to speak so that they could get a copy

4:51 ↗ of the briefing response memo so my hope

4:53 ↗ is that anyone who was here last time

4:55 ↗ got a copy of this in advance of

4:58 ↗ tonight's meeting and if not please let

4:59 ↗ us know I I do have additional copies if

5:04 ↗ anybody it any of the commissioners or

5:08 ↗ members of the public would would like

5:10 ↗ one great yeah the applicants gonna make

5:15 ↗ a presentation is it yeah so first we're

5:17 ↗ gonna go through the briefing response

5:19 ↗ memo then the applicants gonna make a

5:20 ↗ presentation then I assume you guys will

5:23 ↗ open it up for additional public

5:24 ↗ comments okay

5:27 ↗ mr. chair question on the staff report

5:35 ↗ and the application and the response

5:36 ↗ that we received it was very well put

5:40 ↗ together I do have a question on page 7

5:43 ↗ of 22 on or either page 21 of 36 under

5:50 ↗ the traffic issue on the last paragraph

5:56 ↗ prepared by the staff this is there's no

5:59 ↗ plan to install a signal light

6:03 ↗ Wildwood and sunset can you expand on

6:06 ↗ that a little bit so there was an issue

6:11 ↗ raised both in email and at the last

6:16 ↗ meeting with regards to an idea that had

6:22 ↗ been floated around I'm unaware as to

6:26 ↗ whether that idea came from staff the

6:29 ↗ applicant or if it was just floated

6:31 ↗ around and in the neighborhood but that

6:35 ↗ there would be a traffic signal

6:37 ↗ installed at Wildwood and sunrise and

6:41 ↗ there there were some concerns about

6:43 ↗ that folks didn't feel that it was

6:46 ↗ necessary staff concurs with that and

6:52 ↗ our traffic engineers have determined

6:57 ↗ that it does not meet the criteria for

7:00 ↗ requiring a signal which is why that's

7:05 ↗ in there so there are no plans to

7:07 ↗ install a signal at Wildwood and sunrise

7:10 ↗ the criteria is that of the mod model

7:14 ↗ that we talked about this is where they

7:19 ↗ cross sunrise sunrise and Wildwood so

7:29 ↗ the traffic warrants for a signal

7:31 ↗ installation I'm not a traffic engineer

7:35 ↗ so I'll share my knowledge there's

7:38 ↗ there's a number of warrants that need

7:40 ↗ to be met some have to do with safety

7:43 ↗ and others have to do with delay so for

7:47 ↗ example you know if if you have to wait

7:52 ↗ so long at an intersection to get out

7:55 ↗ because there's no gaps in the queue you

7:58 ↗ could make a decision that might be a

8:00 ↗ poor decision which would then likely

8:03 ↗ lead to a traffic accident all right so

8:06 ↗ that's a that's a delay issue that can

8:08 ↗ result in a safety concern which could

8:11 ↗ then generate the need for the

8:12 ↗ installation of a traffic light based on

8:15 ↗ the volumes

8:16 ↗ at this intersection of Wildwood and

8:19 ↗ sunrise they're not enough trips going

8:22 ↗ through this intersection to warrant the

8:24 ↗ installation of a traffic light and so

8:26 ↗ therefore because it doesn't meet the

8:28 ↗ warrants you don't put one in because

8:31 ↗ where you put a traffic light in where

8:33 ↗ it's not warranted then people tend to

8:35 ↗ also make bad decisions at those type of

8:38 ↗ intersections so that's the that's the

8:41 ↗ guiding principles yeah correct me if

8:45 ↗ I'm wrong but I thought at one point in

8:47 ↗ time there was some talk about putting a

8:48 ↗ roundabout in that very intersection you

8:52 ↗ know I don't have the history on that

8:53 ↗ maybe somebody with deeper seeded

8:55 ↗ history in the audience that might be

8:58 ↗ speaking later could address that you

9:01 ↗ know I want to remind the Commission I

9:04 ↗ mean earlier the approval for Kelkar II

9:08 ↗ included phases 2 & 3 include 126 units

9:14 ↗ and now we're down to 72 so the

9:17 ↗ additional reduction in trips could also

9:20 ↗ be one of the reasons why we're not

9:22 ↗ talking about any traffic control at

9:25 ↗ sunrise in Wildwood other than the stop

9:28 ↗ sign so I don't know commissioner

9:32 ↗ whether or not there was a roundabout

9:33 ↗ ever discussed I know there are a number

9:35 ↗ of roundabouts being discussed on

9:37 ↗ Newport but I hadn't heard of any

9:40 ↗ migrating up into this neighborhood okay

9:44 ↗ thank you

9:46 ↗ and did the Commission have any other

9:50 ↗ questions regarding the contents of the

9:53 ↗ briefing response memo if you have a

9:57 ↗ question yeah on each 23 of 36 under a

10:04 ↗ landslide potential area in which I

10:09 ↗ think there's probably a bit of

10:11 ↗ community interest under the staff

10:13 ↗ report it says that the city's

10:14 ↗ consultant asked for additional

10:16 ↗ information corrections to the original

10:19 ↗ geotechnical report

10:23 ↗ all the details in geotechnical formula

10:26 ↗ or if you could summarize some of the

10:28 ↗ points that were requested by a Goldberg

10:31 ↗ I think on this is that correct

10:37 ↗ it's Golder associates so yes and I was

10:44 ↗ present at some of those meetings but

10:46 ↗ I'm also not a geotech engineer so I'm

10:49 ↗ gonna actually ask Richard if you're

10:52 ↗ comfortable putting that question on the

10:54 ↗ sidebar for right now cuz Ted shepper

10:57 ↗ from terror associates is here and I

11:00 ↗ believe could address your question

11:03 ↗ during the applicants presentation other

11:08 ↗ other questions or comments

11:14 ↗ I guess I've got one an unpaid 19 of 22

11:18 ↗ or 33 of 36 the last paragraph about the

11:22 ↗ wall supporting building aid and the

11:25 ↗ condition that it could be split up into

11:28 ↗ two into terrorists walls would that

11:32 ↗ change the amount of impervious surface

11:34 ↗ it would in place or just the amount of

11:38 ↗ disturbance and we might want to put a

11:42 ↗ map you know so part of there there were

11:45 ↗ a number of questions that came up about

11:49 ↗ this condition following the first

11:53 ↗ Commissioner meeting and you know one of

11:56 ↗ the you know one of the issues that was

12:02 ↗ brought up was the visual impact

12:04 ↗ potentially of that 20-foot wall

12:07 ↗ adjacent to the subdivision that's on

12:10 ↗ first place and so this condition really

12:16 ↗ is intended to lessen the visual impact

12:21 ↗ of that wall and he of it's basically

12:25 ↗ what it's gonna do is gonna it's gonna

12:27 ↗ because you're basically gonna offset

12:30 ↗ the wall you're taking a piece of

12:34 ↗ backyard for some of those units that

12:36 ↗ four-plex that's up there at the top of

12:38 ↗ the wall you're taking five feet of

12:40 ↗ their backyard and you're putting it

12:41 ↗ down in between the two walls so so

12:44 ↗ technically yes there's probably there

12:47 ↗ is some more impervious as you have now

12:50 ↗ two walls when you just had one

12:51 ↗ previously but I think what we heard

12:54 ↗ from the applicant was they're gonna

12:56 ↗ stay within their impervious allocation

12:59 ↗ and not ask for any additional so that's

13:03 ↗ still my understanding the chair

13:08 ↗ question so and maybe this is one that

13:12 ↗ the applicant may need to speak to but

13:14 ↗ I'll raise it now on page 33 or 36

13:17 ↗ there's a condition the center of the

13:20 ↗ page it talks about storm drainage

13:23 ↗ and the need for stormwater facilities

13:27 ↗ probably specifically around detention

13:29 ↗ it says that in the second sentence due

13:33 ↗ to a change in property ownership and

13:35 ↗ limitations on existing stormwater

13:37 ↗ facilities in the area the project may

13:39 ↗ need to increase detention or provide

13:40 ↗ additional capacity to existing public

13:43 ↗ facilities and so the question is I'm

13:46 ↗ not sure where on the property that's

13:49 ↗ going to happen and if it's a

13:51 ↗ significant facility it could have an

13:53 ↗ impact on the configuration of the

13:54 ↗ project so want to understand how that's

13:57 ↗ going to be addressed either through

13:59 ↗ staff or through the applicant a a

14:01 ↗ little bit of both so there was a

14:05 ↗ updated condition for H and condition n

14:11 ↗ those took place subsequent to the

14:14 ↗ briefing response memo and that was

14:19 ↗ actually going to be my next topic was

14:23 ↗ to to discuss those two updates they

14:27 ↗ were the result of public comment and

14:30 ↗ also coordination between staff and and

14:34 ↗ the applicant now with regards to the

14:37 ↗ actual location and the technical

14:41 ↗ aspects of it I will leave that to the

14:43 ↗ applicant I do want to refer to the

14:49 ↗ updated conditions condition H now

14:55 ↗ states that as noted in table on page

14:58 ↗ four of this briefing response memo

15:03 ↗ identified the project as best at prior

15:05 ↗ storm water approvals however the city

15:07 ↗ has identified some downstream concerns

15:09 ↗ the applicant has agreed to work with

15:11 ↗ the city on potential solutions to these

15:13 ↗ concerns the project will address the

15:15 ↗ downstream systems that may directly

15:17 ↗ impact be directly impacted by the

15:20 ↗ development or proposed alternate

15:22 ↗ solutions for dishes charge location so

15:25 ↗ and I'll unpack that a little bit so our

15:28 ↗ range of stormwater engineers had a

15:30 ↗ meeting

15:30 ↗ the applicant since the last Commission

15:33 ↗ meeting to try in the applicant was a

15:36 ↗ little concerned about the vagueness of

15:38 ↗ condition age and was hoping to pen it

15:41 ↗ in a little bit more so there was

15:42 ↗ conversation and and what would I

15:47 ↗ understand and I think the civil

15:49 ↗ engineers for the applicant will provide

15:50 ↗ a greater level of detail but we're

15:52 ↗ talking about the off-site discharge

15:54 ↗ points primarily so what you have in the

15:57 ↗ area is you have some existing erosion

16:01 ↗ of the banks of Issaquah Creek and so

16:04 ↗ that's a concern so as a discharge point

16:06 ↗ you know potentially doing something

16:08 ↗ that might exacerbate the existing

16:10 ↗ erosion issues is a problem but there's

16:12 ↗ also a city stormwater facility that

16:16 ↗ discharges to the wetland structure to

16:19 ↗ the I'm gonna guess that south and that

16:24 ↗ facility right now is for lack of more

16:30 ↗ technical term over capacity so in other

16:33 ↗ words it's a it's a cartridge filter

16:36 ↗ that leads to a level spreader the water

16:39 ↗ that's moving through that system is

16:41 ↗ moving too slowly so potentially adding

16:44 ↗ more water to something that's already

16:46 ↗ draining too slowly is not a good choice

16:48 ↗ so part of the conversations with the

16:51 ↗ applicant and why this condition and the

16:53 ↗ clarification which is which was read to

16:56 ↗ you by Dan is providing greater clarity

17:00 ↗ on what we're really talking about

17:01 ↗ relating to stormwater which is we need

17:04 ↗ to have some additional engineering to

17:07 ↗ figure out where's the water going to go

17:09 ↗ and how does it get there without

17:12 ↗ causing an impact to kind of the

17:14 ↗ sensitive areas that we have in this

17:16 ↗ vicinity I'll wait to hear more on the

17:22 ↗ tempted your appetite condition and was

17:29 ↗ as I mentioned it was the result of a

17:33 ↗ right

17:34 ↗ and concern we did receive three

17:37 ↗ additional comments after the briefing

17:42 ↗ response memo was issued so I have

17:46 ↗ copies of those available for you people

17:48 ↗ like them and I'll go through and it

17:51 ↗ dressed some of those but condition n no

17:56 ↗ construction traffic will be allowed to

17:58 ↗ use the cul-de-sac on Sunrise place or

18:01 ↗ first place as a turnaround the

18:05 ↗ condition will be placed on the site

18:06 ↗ work and building permits so concern

18:13 ↗ from the community we heard a little bit

18:15 ↗ at the last Commission meeting but then

18:17 ↗ as as Dan said we received additional

18:19 ↗ comments via email so so because we saw

18:23 ↗ that as a concern so if you take sunrise

18:25 ↗ place tasks Kelkar e

18:27 ↗ it ends in a I don't want to call it a

18:30 ↗ substandard cul-de-sac but it's a fairly

18:32 ↗ small cul-de-sac and one of the

18:34 ↗ residents expressed some concern about

18:36 ↗ construction traffic using that as a

18:39 ↗ turnaround and so we talked to the

18:42 ↗ applicant about adding a new condition

18:44 ↗ and that would basically say you know

18:46 ↗ you're gonna figure out with your

18:48 ↗ contractors to how to turn around on

18:50 ↗ site and not necessarily use the public

18:53 ↗ street system so we drafted that we sent

18:56 ↗ it out and then we got the me two emails

18:58 ↗ which was great so the you know the

19:02 ↗ comment was why not include first place

19:04 ↗ on that as well because there was a call

19:06 ↗ to stack on first place and you know why

19:08 ↗ why would we allow that and I don't

19:09 ↗ think the intent was to so so we changed

19:13 ↗ the condition to say first place and

19:15 ↗ sunrise place additional concerns and

19:23 ↗ comments that we received one was

19:27 ↗ related to play areas and I'm gonna

19:33 ↗ mention that now and hopefully the

19:36 ↗ applicant and

19:37 ↗ guess that further but there's some

19:40 ↗ concern amongst the Foothill residents

19:43 ↗ that there is not enough recreation

19:46 ↗ space in Kelkar e proper and that they

19:50 ↗ may be impacted by that in some way

19:56 ↗ second email that we received was

20:00 ↗ recommendation for approval and support

20:04 ↗ of the project from somebody who lives

20:07 ↗ in Cal Kerry phase 1 and lastly we

20:13 ↗ received some concerns the third email

20:19 ↗ was had touched on issues that were

20:23 ↗ addressed in the briefing response memo

20:27 ↗ it the only other thing was related to

20:30 ↗ construction at hours which they would

20:34 ↗ like limit it from 8 to 4 the city

20:36 ↗ standard for all projects is 7 to 6 so I

20:42 ↗ don't know that we're gonna that were in

20:44 ↗ a position to place that kind of

20:47 ↗ condition on the applicant other

20:54 ↗ comments

20:56 ↗ we're ready to hear from the applicant

20:59 ↗ all right so I'll go ahead and turn it

21:02 ↗ over to taste Antonin thank you

21:06 ↗ [Music]

21:11 ↗ good evening commission members members

21:13 ↗ of the public thank you for joining us

21:15 ↗ all this evening we're actually really

21:17 ↗ pleased to be here tonight my name is

21:19 ↗ David Macduff I'm vice president of

21:20 ↗ development with inter cork we're the

21:22 ↗ applicant are my address is four one one

21:25 ↗ South 1st Avenue

21:27 ↗ Seattle Washington 98 104 may I suggest

21:32 ↗ we were going to go through what is a

21:34 ↗ relatively brief but hopefully inspiring

21:36 ↗ presentation of what we've been working

21:38 ↗ on with city and staff for

21:40 ↗ two-and-a-half years we're really

21:42 ↗ excited about it

21:43 ↗ rich Wagner from Bayless will be our

21:46 ↗ chief presenter may I suggest we go

21:48 ↗ through that presentation first and then

21:50 ↗ in response to direct questions from the

21:52 ↗ Commission and/or public we do have a

21:54 ↗ plethora plethora of experts here who

21:58 ↗ can happily speak hopefully speak

22:00 ↗ appropriately to the level of the

22:01 ↗ questions the Commission it will

22:03 ↗ publicly yeah so with that I'd like to

22:05 ↗ turn the presentation over to Wagner

22:11 ↗ thank you David

22:13 ↗ my name is rich Widener I got to work on

22:16 ↗ this project its original inception back

22:19 ↗ in aught know it was 1990 something and

22:25 ↗ it was it was a wonderful project and

22:28 ↗ it's just thrilling for me personally to

22:29 ↗ be a part of this these next phases

22:32 ↗ I'm with bayless architects 100 801 Main

22:35 ↗ Street in Bellevue Washington 90 805 604

22:41 ↗ also tonight with us I want to bring up

22:43 ↗ another presentation here

22:54 ↗ every seems a little different thank you

22:58 ↗ this is just a preview slide of some of

23:01 ↗ those that we'll be looking at earlier

23:02 ↗ also on our team today this evening we

23:06 ↗ have representatives from core civil

23:07 ↗ engineers Tara geotechnical watershed

23:11 ↗ and traffic engineers Northwest and I

23:15 ↗ know that you're familiar with all these

23:16 ↗ in the city and that was one of the

23:17 ↗ reasons why we wanted to bring them to

23:20 ↗ the project because they have so much

23:21 ↗ experience in this community and

23:23 ↗ everything that goes on we're also

23:26 ↗ joined tonight by Cristie triple from

23:27 ↗ Raleigh properties and I and I feel that

23:30 ↗ it's always wonderful to see mr. skip

23:32 ↗ rally here thank you

23:35 ↗ I won't go any further I don't how much

23:41 ↗ staff already mentioned but I want to

23:43 ↗ highlight it this is an application to

23:45 ↗ approve a minor amendment to an already

23:47 ↗ approved project this is not a new

23:50 ↗ project application

23:52 ↗ mr. Nevin I think reported quite

23:54 ↗ extensively on that last time when he

23:57 ↗ went through all the amendments that

23:58 ↗ were being presented and had been

24:01 ↗ previously approved and any conditions

24:04 ↗ that we were looking to amend this

24:07 ↗ application is unique in that as a minor

24:09 ↗ amendment it's a level two process the

24:13 ↗ only reason we're bringing it forward is

24:15 ↗ for the purposes of transparency here as

24:17 ↗ a level two process staff has the

24:20 ↗ authority to decide whether it is a

24:23 ↗ minor amendment and the history on this

24:25 ↗ project shows that yes they have made

24:27 ↗ this decision and it is a minor

24:29 ↗ amendment I think to appreciate the

24:32 ↗ proposal though let me begin with with a

24:35 ↗ couple images that stays here these are

24:42 ↗ the existing facilities for those that

24:44 ↗ haven't had a chance to get out there in

24:46 ↗ a while

24:48 ↗ these are we brought these forward

24:51 ↗ because they were part of the I would

24:53 ↗ say the drivers of why phase two and

24:55 ↗ three look like it looks we wanted to

24:59 ↗ take not just our inspiration but in

25:00 ↗ fact much of the exact detailing in

25:02 ↗ color from the existing facilities

25:05 ↗ one of the things that really defines

25:07 ↗ kakari though we can talk about the

25:09 ↗ nuances of colors and things like that

25:11 ↗ but some of the things that really

25:12 ↗ define the architecture is the large

25:14 ↗ roof plane so what you see here and

25:16 ↗ although in hidden and the backside here

25:19 ↗ of this building but you know when you

25:22 ↗ drive up to Kelkar II the first thing

25:24 ↗ that hits you is these large roof planes

25:26 ↗ the next piece is all the modulation

25:29 ↗ that all the buildings have the exposed

25:32 ↗ timber detailing that all the buildings

25:34 ↗ have we've also been looking when you

25:38 ↗ get in a little detail up in the front

25:40 ↗ you see these architectural railings we

25:43 ↗ also have a one of the things we worked

25:46 ↗ with on kakari one was making sure the

25:49 ↗ units had plenty of light inside so

25:51 ↗ we're working with extra large windows

25:53 ↗ you know you always see the little

25:54 ↗ apartments with a little windows in them

25:55 ↗ that's not the case for Kelkar ii the

26:00 ↗ the multiple materials we're using

26:03 ↗ actually the original has bevel siding

26:06 ↗ shingle siding board and back and most

26:09 ↗ every place has this stone base that you

26:12 ↗ see here the colors that we that are

26:17 ↗ used now are all earth tones there's

26:19 ↗ probably a half dozen maybe eight or

26:21 ↗ nine colors that are used out there to

26:22 ↗ create some textures we want to carry

26:25 ↗ all those forward this is a slide of

26:28 ↗ some of the amenity spaces that are in

26:30 ↗ phase one certainly the clubhouse if

26:33 ↗ you've had a chance to be invited to a

26:34 ↗ reception or a party or some event there

26:36 ↗ it's been a spectacular ly well-received

26:39 ↗ and a wonderful place to be

26:40 ↗ it's highly detailed and it captures a

26:42 ↗ lot of the detailing that we hope to

26:44 ↗ advance to phase two and three this is

26:46 ↗ the barbecue area talk about some of the

26:49 ↗ open spaces and gathering spaces that

26:51 ↗ are in phase one this is definitely a

26:53 ↗ big one in fact I don't have a good

26:55 ↗ picture of it but right around the

26:56 ↗ corner come on over this way there's

27:00 ↗ this wonderful plaza looking out over

27:02 ↗ the creek now the creek

27:05 ↗ vegetation tends to get grown in so you

27:09 ↗ can't always exactly see the correct but

27:11 ↗ you can sure enjoy it and hear it and

27:13 ↗ then over on this side

27:16 ↗ there's this little fireplace area which

27:20 ↗ has been quite well received and I hope

27:23 ↗ that the current residents are able to

27:24 ↗ get use out of that especially in this

27:26 ↗ last summer there's a lot of gathering

27:29 ↗ places there's a courts over here

27:33 ↗ there's a child play area in the middle

27:35 ↗ and they're seating areas in phase one

27:39 ↗ but those are some of the areas that

27:41 ↗ help really define the character of the

27:43 ↗ existing facility chuckle I'd like to

27:46 ↗ talk a little bit about the proposed

27:48 ↗ buildings and I think you can see one of

27:50 ↗ our biggest goals was to create a

27:51 ↗ continuity of the architecture we are

27:55 ↗ using in the composition of this site

27:59 ↗ we're actually only using three unit

28:01 ↗ types and I'll walk through briefly on

28:03 ↗ those but they're combined in different

28:05 ↗ buildings and in different facades so

28:07 ↗ that as an example and a unit doesn't

28:10 ↗ always have the same facade as an a unit

28:12 ↗ it might vary and we think that's been a

28:15 ↗ big asset in terms of creating the

28:17 ↗ textures in the modulation that we're

28:20 ↗ going to see here this actually is unit

28:22 ↗ a what's interesting about unit a and

28:25 ↗ can everyone see this not in detail but

28:28 ↗ generally we're in focus pointing what

28:36 ↗ ask you this we can't hear you so ready

28:38 ↗ you're gonna have to take the mic with

28:39 ↗ you if you care

28:44 ↗ I'm not supposed to point it at you burn

28:48 ↗ a hole in your sweater

28:49 ↗ said faa-approved thank you the eight

28:55 ↗ units are along sunrise place these

28:58 ↗ units here and there along Cabin Creek

29:01 ↗ one of the reasons we wanted to use the

29:03 ↗ a unit in this particular configuration

29:05 ↗ was again they have the large roof

29:08 ↗ planes so they helped capture the the

29:14 ↗ character the other thing that we're

29:17 ↗ using the 80 units war is on these years

29:19 ↗ there are no garage is facing the front

29:22 ↗ all of these are porches and and Stoops

29:25 ↗ that'll come out with sidewalks to the

29:29 ↗ street here and sidewalks alone Cabin

29:32 ↗ Creek the eight units the the key there

29:35 ↗ is all of the accesses for the parking

29:39 ↗ is to the back but the other bonus here

29:42 ↗ is there are only two stories the B

29:44 ↗ units similarly this one does have

29:48 ↗ parking these are what we're calling our

29:50 ↗ downhill units or off often called

29:53 ↗ daylight basement units where the garage

29:55 ↗ and the in trees are on the front

29:56 ↗ bedrooms are on the top and below and in

30:00 ↗ the basement down below or the lower

30:02 ↗ level is other media spaces this the

30:07 ↗ artist captured this tree one of the

30:09 ↗ things that you'll see and you know all

30:11 ↗ of our renderings is we're trying to

30:12 ↗ maintain that tree and I know that for

30:16 ↗ those who've been here a long long time

30:18 ↗ that tree has been preserved in every

30:21 ↗ scheme that I think we've ever presented

30:23 ↗ to you the uphill units these are occur

30:28 ↗ here in phase 3 and basically they're

30:32 ↗ the unit that allow us to tuck the unit

30:34 ↗ up into the hill a little bit and heal

30:36 ↗ that in but we're trying to make sure

30:39 ↗ the depths of those are not they're

30:41 ↗ shallow this is another great example of

30:45 ↗ where you can see the large roofs all

30:47 ↗ the modulated forms and they're

30:49 ↗ modulated not only horizontally but

30:51 ↗ vertically

30:52 ↗ the exposed timber detailing will all

30:54 ↗ come out here again large windows

30:57 ↗ architectural railings and again the

31:00 ↗ same materials sightings colors that are

31:03 ↗ being used in Kelkar e1 we think in all

31:07 ↗ of this we've put together a pretty

31:08 ↗ compelling solution but I'd like to talk

31:13 ↗ a little bit about ok how do we how do

31:15 ↗ we make sure it's a minor amendment and

31:17 ↗ still it's consistent with what was

31:19 ↗ approved in order to do that I'm going

31:22 ↗ to do some comparison graphics here of

31:25 ↗ original and proposed this is actually

31:29 ↗ the original site plan that was approved

31:32 ↗ years ago you might recognize concept

31:35 ↗ engineers a little logo down here the

31:38 ↗ plan itself this is sunrise coming

31:40 ↗ through Cabin Creek was proposed through

31:43 ↗ here and it is it's it's built and we're

31:45 ↗ not moving that in any of the projects

31:47 ↗ the access to phase 3 has always been

31:51 ↗ here and will remain here the buildings

31:55 ↗ for phase 1 completed here including the

31:58 ↗ clubhouse phase 2 these buildings are

32:01 ↗ here and remember these are four-story

32:03 ↗ buildings sometimes very close to the

32:05 ↗ street as you can see here in phase 3

32:09 ↗ the same building type or the same

32:12 ↗ building look lines along the grade here

32:17 ↗ up into phase 3 and the road access is

32:20 ↗ in behind the buildings here we've tried

32:24 ↗ to capture this and there's there's an

32:28 ↗ exhibit in your packet called exhibit 1

32:32 ↗ but we've realized it's kind of hard to

32:34 ↗ read so we've broken it down here into

32:36 ↗ the various layers and it gives you a

32:37 ↗ much better understanding of what we're

32:39 ↗ proposing I think one of the first

32:41 ↗ things to know is that this is a story

32:44 ↗ of less it's we are working with less

32:48 ↗ units less building square footage less

32:51 ↗ traffic less site disturbance less

32:54 ↗ retaining walls and less critical areas

32:57 ↗ impacts the arrangement that you can see

33:02 ↗ here is built out I think I spoke to the

33:04 ↗ entrances here and sunrise

33:05 ↗ continues phase two is this area right

33:08 ↗ here who's graded at the end of phase

33:10 ↗ two one

33:12 ↗ so it's it's pretty self-explanatory as

33:14 ↗ to how that could have been developed

33:16 ↗ and now we're using many of those same

33:19 ↗ grades in that open space the from the

33:24 ↗ very beginning our goal on this whole

33:26 ↗ project was to minimize the land

33:27 ↗ disturbance and the impervious surfaces

33:30 ↗ that's why we've got the narrower

33:31 ↗ streets a little tighter buildings the

33:34 ↗ buildings don't have as much of depth as

33:35 ↗ you might usually see in townhomes in

33:38 ↗ this market this is the approved plan

33:43 ↗ and one of the things that you'll notice

33:45 ↗ is the open space that surrounds the

33:48 ↗ entire area as a part of our final

33:51 ↗ project we are going to be keeping 15

33:53 ↗ acres in open space and forests the next

34:00 ↗ thing I wanted to look at was kind of

34:01 ↗ how do we unpack this this is the

34:03 ↗ disturbed areas that were included in

34:07 ↗ the original approval and you can see

34:09 ↗ especially in areas like this in Phase

34:11 ↗ two where we're encroaching quite a bit

34:13 ↗ into that slope the trail for your

34:15 ↗ reference is a very dim line you can see

34:17 ↗ right through here crosses the street

34:20 ↗ and continues up this way in our

34:24 ↗ proposal you'll see we're going to try

34:26 ↗ and really stay out of that the area of

34:29 ↗ disturbance in fact I'll bring it up

34:31 ↗ later is actually reduced by 10% again

34:35 ↗ this this this is the acreage here that

34:38 ↗ will be preserved

34:45 ↗ when I say preserved I want to highlight

34:47 ↗ that it's not only being developed here

34:49 ↗ but it's going to remain in the

34:50 ↗ ownership and control of the homeowners

34:52 ↗ association and it will probably have

34:55 ↗ some easements through it as well the

35:00 ↗ for ownership excuse me if I Drive dive

35:06 ↗ in a little bit further than to some of

35:08 ↗ the how do we get to face to our

35:11 ↗ proposal this shows the same streets

35:15 ↗ here cabin creek goes through here we've

35:18 ↗ laid in what our buildings are going to

35:20 ↗ look like now the access lanes here

35:24 ↗ phase 2 3 is the same way here and you

35:28 ↗ can see by the location of this line

35:29 ↗ this kind of teal green line how much

35:32 ↗ we're really pulling back from some of

35:34 ↗ these critical areas that we really

35:36 ↗ didn't want to get into the if I if I

35:43 ↗ take this and then overlay all the

35:45 ↗ exhibits now this is the one that's in

35:46 ↗ your packet but I think you can see

35:48 ↗ where so many of the amendments that are

35:52 ↗ going to be proposed actually lay I'd

35:57 ↗ like to take a little bit of time then

35:59 ↗ and talk about our particular site plan

36:02 ↗ with everything else kind of screened

36:04 ↗ down this brings out the buildings and

36:06 ↗ it's the same site plan you see well

36:09 ↗ it's oriented differently in our site

36:13 ↗ plan to the left is north and I have to

36:17 ↗ admit when you're out on this site or

36:19 ↗ when you're trying to study it it's

36:20 ↗ really easy to get confused about where

36:23 ↗ your compass lines are the excuse me

36:35 ↗ one of the things you'll see right away

36:37 ↗ is is the streets here and here and up

36:40 ↗ into here and this street here in Kelkar

36:44 ↗ II all the streets existing are private

36:46 ↗ roads and what we're proposing in these

36:49 ↗ is that they too will remain private

36:51 ↗ roads the trail connections that we've

36:55 ↗ talked about here that come through

36:59 ↗ these trails actually lead into these

37:03 ↗ woods I think one of the speakers from

37:05 ↗ the public know reminded us last two

37:08 ↗ weeks ago what a wonderful journey it is

37:09 ↗ to go up into there so we're going to

37:11 ↗ put these in say yeah it's amazing I

37:15 ↗ remember when we did the original

37:16 ↗ project one of the goals was to market

37:19 ↗ it to people who would come home put on

37:21 ↗ their boots and head up the hill and I

37:24 ↗ understand from residents that that

37:26 ↗ happens a lot

37:28 ↗ at least the residents that do that tell

37:30 ↗ me it's a lot the the only thing we're

37:36 ↗ gonna really affect in this trail issue

37:38 ↗ here is if I go back there's a little

37:42 ↗ area right here where the trail comes up

37:44 ↗ and we're gonna rebuild this stairway

37:47 ↗ and move it I don't maybe ten feet to

37:50 ↗ the south or to the east a little bit so

37:53 ↗ it's it's a minor amendment here that

37:56 ↗ were that will help get the traffic

37:59 ↗ through and up to this three and be able

38:02 ↗ to give them good passes across the

38:04 ↗ street sidewalks I want to zoom in a

38:09 ↗ little bit on this area right here this

38:11 ↗ is basically Phase two and I'd say this

38:16 ↗ because I want to highlight a couple of

38:18 ↗ mornings

38:19 ↗ here first of all is the sidewalks we're

38:22 ↗ gonna complete the sidewalks on Cabin

38:24 ↗ Creek all the way through here so you

38:25 ↗ can actually walk without going through

38:27 ↗ the drug road we're gonna add a sidewalk

38:31 ↗ on the other side of the road all the

38:32 ↗ way along all the way down to this Lane

38:36 ↗ intersection all the crosswalks that

38:38 ↗ we're going to have will be concrete

38:39 ↗ crosswalks are not just painted stripes

38:42 ↗ the sidewalk as it goes into the project

38:45 ↗ again in Phase two and similarly you'll

38:47 ↗ see in Phase three wherever there's a

38:49 ↗ front door

38:50 ↗ it's serviced by a sidewalk this is the

38:56 ↗ B units that downhill units these are

38:59 ↗ the eight units that are on the sidewalk

39:00 ↗ here for Cabin Creek landscaping we

39:05 ↗ expect the landscaping to be very robust

39:07 ↗ we've got one of the premier landscapers

39:09 ↗ on our team in this area the all the

39:14 ↗ buffers because we're gonna pull out of

39:15 ↗ this we definitely want to do some

39:17 ↗ heavier buffering around here if you're

39:20 ↗ curious it was right in this area where

39:22 ↗ the we talked to staff about doing the

39:24 ↗ double retaining walls the landscaping

39:29 ↗ they were going to be using will be very

39:30 ↗ similar to the landscaping that is

39:32 ↗ existing in phase one primarily because

39:36 ↗ we want not just the architecture to

39:38 ↗ look similar but the whole site

39:40 ↗ experience to be similar and we'll be

39:43 ↗ doing substantial buffer enhancements

39:45 ↗ the little closer look at some of these

39:48 ↗ areas this is the overall site plan this

39:52 ↗ is faced to here and here this is Phase

39:55 ↗ three

39:56 ↗ the question came up about parks and

39:58 ↗ open space we've got we don't have a

40:03 ↗ formal park if you will but I think we

40:05 ↗ have a lot of play areas for children

40:06 ↗ and we have a lot of open space within

40:09 ↗ the project

40:11 ↗ the play areas excuse me this area right

40:16 ↗ here as you can see is picnic benches

40:18 ↗ looking out over the steep slopes here

40:22 ↗ that we're going to maintain this area

40:23 ↗ over here is actually a little pocket

40:25 ↗ park for the the play area it's going to

40:29 ↗ have climbing rocks some jungle gym

40:31 ↗ stuff and again a place for mom and dad

40:34 ↗ or the big brother to keep their eye out

40:36 ↗ up in phase two or phase three first of

40:40 ↗ all you'll be able to get there crossing

40:43 ↗ the road here we're going to intersect

40:45 ↗ where you'd actually cross with a trail

40:48 ↗ that comes up through this hillside

40:51 ↗ stops at this kind of picnic outlook

40:53 ↗ area looking out over this wetland again

40:58 ↗ preserving the tree and along this

41:00 ↗ particular trail we're going to do a dry

41:02 ↗ creek bed well I say dry creek bed we

41:05 ↗ hope it's got water in it but we don't

41:07 ↗ want to over promise that there's a lot

41:10 ↗ of water in the site but if you drive by

41:11 ↗ and there's nothing flowing that's why I

41:13 ↗ wanted to footnote that the at the south

41:17 ↗ end of Phase three we've got this

41:20 ↗ hammerhead turn around and that was

41:22 ↗ discussed a little bit last week but in

41:24 ↗ that hammerhead turn around we hate to

41:26 ↗ just see it lay fallow you know or do we

41:28 ↗ want people parking in that at any time

41:30 ↗ so we're proposing this is that

41:33 ↗ hammerhead as a play area with things

41:37 ↗ like hopscotch and cross ball again

41:40 ↗ places for parents and dolt and shoal

41:43 ↗ big brothers sisters to look out over

41:45 ↗ them but this is also a very enjoyable

41:47 ↗ space because it looks out over this

41:49 ↗ entire wetland area these are not just

41:52 ↗ drawn or painted they're actually going

41:53 ↗ to be laid in architectural II I'm going

42:00 ↗ to take a quick run through these I

42:02 ↗ don't want to say too much but as I

42:04 ↗ mentioned we've got three different unit

42:05 ↗ types a B and C the floor plans this is

42:10 ↗ this is aid and I mentioned this because

42:13 ↗ when you look at the graphics the 3d

42:15 ↗ graphics I want you to know that they're

42:19 ↗ real they're not they're not an artist

42:21 ↗ concept of something that might happen

42:23 ↗ we actually worked very closely with the

42:25 ↗ renderer on these to make sure that they

42:28 ↗ were showing exactly what we wanted this

42:30 ↗ shows that the floor plans have been

42:32 ↗ worked out the elevations have been

42:33 ↗ worked out and in particular our

42:35 ↗ references to the building materials

42:38 ↗ these are pictures taken right out of

42:40 ↗ coke re1 this is building B similarly to

42:45 ↗ the existing materials and again

42:47 ↗ similarly to the large roofs and the

42:50 ↗ fenestrations unit C in fact in all of

42:56 ↗ these units you'll also notice that we

42:58 ↗ did some side views so this allowed us

43:01 ↗ to calculate Heights and make sure that

43:02 ↗ we're within the bounds of that goal it

43:06 ↗ also shows how much great change happens

43:08 ↗ between say this is the basement

43:10 ↗ building I highlight these like I said

43:14 ↗ because I want you to know that the

43:15 ↗ artists renderings when you're looking

43:17 ↗ at them are the result of some studied

43:19 ↗ solutions that are not just pretty

43:20 ↗ pictures I talked a lot about less I'd

43:26 ↗ like to actually put some numbers behind

43:27 ↗ them so excuse me this is our commitment

43:30 ↗ which is in your packet to the colors

43:32 ↗ and materials units a B and C how we

43:35 ↗ think those will go and again these will

43:38 ↗ be refined in the actual permit drawings

43:42 ↗ and when aiwei's when I say refined I

43:45 ↗ want to speak highly of staff when we

43:48 ↗ talk to them about that because if you

43:51 ↗ think staff lets us get away with

43:52 ↗ anything that would be a

43:55 ↗ misunderstanding I've talked a lot about

43:59 ↗ less so I wanted to actually put some

44:01 ↗ numbers on the table here for you to

44:02 ↗ consider the unit count is down in

44:05 ↗ phases two and three we originally had

44:07 ↗ 126 we now have 72 43% reduction the

44:12 ↗ gross building area the units are a

44:14 ↗ little bigger now we're about 22%

44:17 ↗ reduction bigger than what the Congo

44:20 ↗ apartments are the building levels I

44:23 ↗ just spoke of this this is actually very

44:24 ↗ important all of the buildings in the

44:26 ↗ original approval and in Kelkar e1 are

44:28 ↗ four storeys all the buildings in ELQ re

44:32 ↗ 2 and 3 will be 3 storeys

44:34 ↗ the width I highlight the width because

44:36 ↗ it gives you the impression of the mass

44:38 ↗ these existing buildings and those

44:41 ↗ proposed in the original plan 185 feet

44:44 ↗ to 200 feet we're proposing 50 to 125

44:47 ↗ feet 38 percent reduction traffic our

44:51 ↗ traffic engineer has done a lot of

44:54 ↗ studies on these things

44:55 ↗ and I will tell you too that I'll come

44:58 ↗ back to that it's all of our work has

45:01 ↗ been peer-reviewed the traffic the daily

45:04 ↗ trips are dropping by 49 percent and

45:07 ↗ more to the point I think as we all

45:09 ↗ travel to and from work the am peak

45:12 ↗ trips drop to 61 percent or of what was

45:16 ↗ originally approved and the PMP trips

45:19 ↗ accordingly drop as well

45:21 ↗ staff mentioned that the traffic that

45:24 ↗ was actually the the fees to mitigate

45:27 ↗ the traffic impacts for all of these

45:28 ↗ were in place in the original proposal

45:33 ↗ the site disturbance phases 2 & 3 a bit

45:39 ↗ of a decrease there 10% 24,000 feet I

45:42 ↗ mean that's a half acre that were we're

45:44 ↗ gonna stay clear up the other thing I

45:46 ↗ might note on that is in the original

45:47 ↗ proposal we were doing a lot of work in

45:51 ↗ wetland what's now called wetland one

45:53 ↗ and we are no longer in needing to do

45:55 ↗ that work we're taking advantage if you

45:57 ↗ will of the 12 to 15 years of growth

45:59 ↗ that have happened in there

46:01 ↗ there's no reason for us to go in there

46:03 ↗ anymore

46:05 ↗ retaining walls have dropped off to 11

46:08 ↗ percent of what was originally approved

46:10 ↗ and in pervious areas there's a little

46:13 ↗ bit of a bump here I put this here

46:15 ↗ because this is what the data shows in

46:17 ↗ your packet but as staff reported based

46:20 ↗ on meetings earlier this week and late

46:22 ↗ last week the applicant is committed to

46:25 ↗ balancing out the impervious areas in

46:27 ↗ phases 1 2 & 3 so that they equal what

46:30 ↗ was previously approved

46:35 ↗ the thing I mentioned a couple times the

46:38 ↗ changing in the mass of the buildings so

46:41 ↗ I put this graphic together to really

46:43 ↗ give you an impression of what would be

46:45 ↗ changing this is the building si member

46:48 ↗ these are the ones on the uphill of

46:49 ↗ Phase three these for your reference our

46:53 ↗ building aids these the ones along the

46:54 ↗ street if the original proposal would be

46:57 ↗ implemented this is what the backs of

46:59 ↗ those buildings would look like and this

47:02 ↗ is what the Front's of the buildings

47:03 ↗ would look like so I think you can see

47:05 ↗ we're seeing a substantial reduction in

47:07 ↗ the impacts certainly the visual impacts

47:09 ↗ and the mass impact that would be up

47:11 ↗ along the road one of the things I've

47:13 ↗ been particularly concerned about as we

47:15 ↗ work through this was how the buildings

47:18 ↗ come up to sunrise place the the other

47:25 ↗ highlight here is again only two storeys

47:27 ↗ and front porches when you're when

47:29 ↗ you're coming home from work that's the

47:31 ↗ impression you'll have as you drive by

47:33 ↗ the Phase two I think you can see that

47:38 ↗ all these are less and thus our

47:41 ↗ conclusion of the minor amendments a

47:43 ↗ couple comments on the detail I think

47:46 ↗ when we talk about technical reports

47:49 ↗ we've done a pile of technical reports

47:51 ↗ and I want to make sure that the concept

47:54 ↗ of peer review is understood that's

47:56 ↗ basically where the city hires another

47:58 ↗ consultant to look at our work it's

48:01 ↗ typically spelled PE er as if we're

48:04 ↗ collaborating but it often feels like PE

48:06 ↗ AR over our shoulders so that did occur

48:12 ↗ on all of these and we wanted to make

48:15 ↗ sure too that you understood that those

48:17 ↗ reports were done very early in our work

48:19 ↗ and so they drove our decisions on how

48:23 ↗ to develop the site they weren't

48:24 ↗ developed to justify what we were doing

48:26 ↗ they were and they actually tuned our

48:28 ↗ designs all the way through the process

48:31 ↗ the

48:34 ↗ less is more I think we're confident the

48:37 ↗ proposed minor amendment before you this

48:39 ↗ evening will provide less impact it will

48:44 ↗ help secure the critical areas it'll

48:46 ↗ make for a safe neighborhood and again

48:48 ↗ it preserves 15 acres of the lands

48:50 ↗ around the site so I want to thank you

48:53 ↗ for your time you know I know you guys

48:57 ↗ make it so far better and I think you do

48:59 ↗ it every two weeks I actually worked on

49:02 ↗ the Renton Planning Commission for 14

49:04 ↗ years so I know the commitment that it

49:06 ↗ takes to be here and I want to thank you

49:07 ↗ for that especially we want to thank you

49:09 ↗ for your diligence in reading everything

49:12 ↗ we presented we hope that tonight and I

49:16 ↗ want to emphasize tonight our approach

49:19 ↗ has been so compelling that you're able

49:20 ↗ to endorse the application this evening

49:23 ↗ with that I'll close and I think we had

49:27 ↗ some technical questions come up already

49:33 ↗ if those are still on the table okay Ted

49:37 ↗ could you talk to us a little bit about

49:38 ↗ slope stability good evening

49:47 ↗ commissioners Ted shepper president of

49:50 ↗ terror associates 12 to 2100 and 13th

49:54 ↗ Avenue Northeast suite 130 Kirkland

49:57 ↗ Washington

49:58 ↗ and yeah so Commissioner Sanford I

50:01 ↗ believe you had a question regarding

50:03 ↗ what Golder has required of us in terms

50:08 ↗ of their peer review and additional

50:09 ↗ information they wanted to see to

50:11 ↗ support the requested some modifications

50:18 ↗ in terms of the steep slope impacts

50:20 ↗ first off we were I've been on doing

50:24 ↗ involved with the Carey project since

50:26 ↗ its beginning as well back in the early

50:28 ↗ 1990s built phase one was skip and then

50:32 ↗ things went kind of dormant for a while

50:33 ↗ and got contacted by inner core and they

50:36 ↗ were looking at the project we went back

50:39 ↗ out to the site in September of 2015 and

50:43 ↗ completed additional site explorations

50:46 ↗ drilled 16 edition

50:47 ↗ test borings and in in prepared a

50:51 ↗ technical report which basically updated

50:55 ↗ our original geotechnical reports where

50:56 ↗ that was done back in the mid-90s and

50:59 ↗ submitted that subsequent that's the

51:03 ↗ middle the city had a gold or do a peer

51:08 ↗ review of the work that we had done and

51:09 ↗ as a result of the peer review what

51:12 ↗ happened is we had to produce an

51:14 ↗ additional report specific to address

51:16 ↗ the critical areas and our critical

51:19 ↗ areas report so that's the main thing

51:22 ↗ that Golder had us do provided some

51:25 ↗ additional sacred geologic

51:26 ↗ reconnaissance stability analysis that

51:29 ↗ involved taking you know if you can in

51:33 ↗ terms of technical engineering we take

51:35 ↗ material you know material engineering

51:37 ↗ principles and apply it to material that

51:39 ↗ does not have you know very uniform

51:42 ↗ properties right because soils are can

51:45 ↗ change dramatically in a short distance

51:46 ↗ time so they actually had us do a

51:48 ↗ sensitivity analysis and our stability

51:50 ↗ where we took a range of parameters and

51:54 ↗ determined and ran our stability

51:56 ↗ analysis and determine you know if we

51:58 ↗ have a slight reduction in the soil

52:00 ↗ strength you know how much does that

52:01 ↗ impact the safety factors and that's all

52:04 ↗ summarized in this report the other

52:07 ↗ thing that they had us expand on was the

52:11 ↗ proximity of the foothill slide which is

52:14 ↗ approximately 500 feet southeast of

52:16 ↗ Phase three of this project and expand

52:19 ↗ on why you know what happened at the

52:22 ↗ foothill slide and why ground conditions

52:24 ↗ here at the Cal carry paces two and

52:26 ↗ three aren't subject to the same and the

52:29 ↗ bottom line and that is it's basically

52:32 ↗ very different geology the geology at

52:35 ↗ the foothills slide it slide at that

52:37 ↗ slide occurred in November of 1995 and

52:39 ↗ that was a result of actually some

52:42 ↗ grading that was the grading took place

52:43 ↗ in October and into November

52:45 ↗ there actually had a cut and they placed

52:47 ↗ them and opened up

52:50 ↗ a silt and clay formation the custard

52:53 ↗ formation and and that's what started

52:56 ↗ moving yeah

52:57 ↗ Kari site there are no silt and clay

53:00 ↗ formations basically we have fill

53:03 ↗ materials that were associated with

53:05 ↗ previous grading at the site below that

53:07 ↗ as an out wash sand and gravel deposit

53:09 ↗ and below that is is his bedrock

53:12 ↗ sandstone and silt stone bedrock very

53:15 ↗ different geology and and in different

53:20 ↗ ground conditions the other thing on the

53:22 ↗ on the foothills slide what happened you

53:24 ↗ know they may think they started the

53:26 ↗ gradient activity obviously at the worst

53:27 ↗ time of the year in starting on the

53:29 ↗ beginning of the winter the when they

53:33 ↗ open when they started the grading he

53:35 ↗ had significant rainfall event and

53:38 ↗ things started to move and so in

53:40 ↗ response to that moving they started

53:43 ↗ trying to install subsurface strange to

53:46 ↗ capture and collect rainwater that was

53:47 ↗ impacting the slide the the final

53:50 ↗ resolution on the foothills was a system

53:52 ↗ of drains that were installed upgrading

53:54 ↗ of the slide and then also at the base

53:56 ↗ of that the total slides from very long

53:58 ↗ horizontal drains were advanced up into

54:00 ↗ the hillside to capture the groundwater

54:02 ↗ and control it and keep it in keep it

54:05 ↗ from impacting the slide mass and that

54:06 ↗ was successfully completed and I believe

54:09 ↗ 1996 and and the slide has been stable

54:12 ↗ since we're gonna be more proactive that

54:14 ↗ we know on the on the Phase three on the

54:17 ↗ west side up gradient side there's a

54:18 ↗ there's quite a bit of ground water

54:19 ↗ emanating coming out comes out of that

54:21 ↗ hillside and so the first thing that

54:24 ↗ we're going to be doing is before any

54:27 ↗ major grading goes on we're going to

54:29 ↗ install a subsurface drain that's going

54:31 ↗ to capture and control that groundwater

54:33 ↗ and that water actually rotted down to

54:36 ↗ help feed the hydrology of the wetland

54:38 ↗ areas to the east of Phase three so

54:42 ↗ those are the the main differences

54:45 ↗ between the foothills and and the Phase

54:48 ↗ two and three of the kalahari project

54:53 ↗ I had one question if we go to the site

54:59 ↗ disturbance plan the aerial site plan

55:07 ↗ are the the ECA areas delineated on that

55:14 ↗ plan is that that blue hatched area

55:17 ↗ excuse me here I'm well past 30 so I

55:21 ↗ have her snowshoes here let me go down

55:28 ↗ to here and turn that off

55:39 ↗ that was in this area yeah the last one

55:42 ↗ or or any of them really and maybe the

55:44 ↗ first one shows it better so there's a

55:46 ↗ faint blue hatched area is that

55:47 ↗ delineating the where the ECA occurs oh

55:51 ↗ here is it shown at all no I don't think

55:55 ↗ the wetland was picked up here so what

56:00 ↗ does that hatch represent there is a

56:02 ↗ little blue there

56:04 ↗ oh oh that's right that's right so yes

56:10 ↗ it is the wailing okay and then does the

56:15 ↗ foothill slide show up on this map

56:18 ↗ no it doesn't I think the foothills

56:23 ↗ slide is probably way back over in here

56:28 ↗ okay all right thank you

56:36 ↗ there's nothing else for geotech I'm

56:41 ↗ here all night so if something comes up

56:42 ↗ go ahead and ask Jim I know there was a

56:46 ↗ question about out Falls you helped us

56:48 ↗ out on that one good evening

56:52 ↗ commissioners I'm Jim Olsen with core

56:54 ↗ design one four seven one one northeast

56:57 ↗ twenty nine two plates northeast twenty

57:00 ↗ nine to place suite 101 in Bellevue

57:02 ↗ Washington I'm one of the principles and

57:04 ↗ firm and the engineer for the project

57:06 ↗ the question came up with regards to

57:09 ↗ storm drainage and a couple things I

57:13 ↗ jotted down as I was listening to the

57:14 ↗ presentation that things that have

57:15 ↗ changed with this condition H that you

57:17 ↗ see now in your packet this evening the

57:19 ↗ first of which I want to elaborate on is

57:22 ↗ I think there's been a change with

57:24 ↗ regards to the besting of the project I

57:26 ↗ think the city now has changed that that

57:28 ↗ we are vested to the standards that were

57:30 ↗ in place at the time of the original

57:31 ↗ approval and we met with the city on two

57:37 ↗ different occasions to discuss storm

57:39 ↗ drainage because they've voiced concerns

57:40 ↗ about downstream systems both are

57:44 ↗ existing issues that occurred today not

57:48 ↗ an impact of this project and one

57:51 ↗ erosion problem that occurred last fall

57:53 ↗ due to the excess rain that we had last

57:55 ↗ fall it's fair to say that we've met

57:59 ↗ with the city core design has provided

58:01 ↗ several alternatives that might mitigate

58:03 ↗ or alleviate these problems the city is

58:06 ↗ reviewing those currently I can't stand

58:09 ↗ in front of you today to say that we

58:10 ↗ have a solution they're reviewing it as

58:14 ↗ we speak but it's safe to say that the

58:17 ↗ city believes that this is a problem

58:18 ↗ that can be solved with regards to their

58:21 ↗ systems that they have existing issues

58:23 ↗ with I think that's and I just wanted to

58:28 ↗ touch on the impervious surface I think

58:29 ↗ rich talked about it as well we do show

58:31 ↗ a slight increase and we've discussed

58:33 ↗ with the city about modifying the site

58:34 ↗ plan to reduce that impervious where we

58:36 ↗ can or provide pervious material to

58:39 ↗ bring our site in compliance with the

58:42 ↗ original and pervious surface amount

58:44 ↗ that was approved

58:46 ↗ does that answer your questions kind of

58:49 ↗ vaguely sure so do one question so it

58:57 ↗ didn't sound like from your response

58:58 ↗ there's any additional on-site detention

59:01 ↗ that's required we're talking about

59:02 ↗ dealing with the off-site impacts of the

59:05 ↗ stone grading outfall is that at this

59:08 ↗ point the issues that were referenced

59:10 ↗ indirectly in that condition are

59:12 ↗ existing city issues that are off-site

59:14 ↗ they have I think it was mentioned here

59:17 ↗ they have a flow spreader that's failing

59:18 ↗ or is surcharged I'm not sure why that

59:21 ↗ is

59:22 ↗ and they have a pipe that has been

59:24 ↗ crushed that will have to be replaced so

59:28 ↗ we do have substantial retainage systems

59:31 ↗ within our project in Phase three in

59:34 ↗ particular that will be constructed as

59:37 ↗ part of Phase three absolutely

59:39 ↗ oh yeah yeah yeah

59:48 ↗ their comments

59:55 ↗ thank you

59:57 ↗ thank you we will be here all night yeah

1:00:19 ↗ it seemed like there was some discussion

1:00:20 ↗ over the protocol or whatever the the

1:00:24 ↗ warrant for a traffic signal there and

1:00:26 ↗ it could a traffic engineer give us a

1:00:29 ↗ general explanation of how that what

1:00:32 ↗ what the requirement is for a traffic

1:00:34 ↗ signal it seemed like that was a

1:00:36 ↗ discussion later good evening my name is

1:00:43 ↗ Michael Reid I'm principal and founder

1:00:46 ↗ of transportation engineering Northwest

1:00:48 ↗ mailing address is PO Box six five two

1:00:51 ↗ five for Seattle ninety one fifty five I

1:00:55 ↗ can generally speak to the question

1:00:57 ↗ about signal warrants the manual on

1:01:02 ↗ uniform traffic control devices or mu T

1:01:05 ↗ CDs we call her short is a federal

1:01:07 ↗ standard that all transportation

1:01:09 ↗ engineering professionals follow and

1:01:11 ↗ local and state and other county

1:01:14 ↗ jurisdictions follow as well the reason

1:01:17 ↗ the primary reason why that is kind of

1:01:19 ↗ our one of our Bibles that we look at is

1:01:21 ↗ for the most part well several different

1:01:25 ↗ reasons protection of the traveling

1:01:27 ↗ public but also protection to the

1:01:30 ↗ jurisdictions that install and place

1:01:33 ↗ those things from a liability standpoint

1:01:36 ↗ if you installed any traffic control

1:01:38 ↗ device that's not warranted the

1:01:40 ↗ jurisdiction or the engineer for that

1:01:42 ↗ matter that makes that decision can be

1:01:44 ↗ held liable if it's not warranted when

1:01:46 ↗ someone has a collision there because

1:01:48 ↗ they make a right turn or a left turn on

1:01:51 ↗ red because there's nobody on the side

1:01:53 ↗ street and they just go because there's

1:01:56 ↗ no traffic so in the MU t CD there's a

1:02:01 ↗ series of warrants to warrant signal

1:02:05 ↗ control and

1:02:07 ↗ there's about nine different warrants

1:02:09 ↗ most of them are volume or delay

1:02:11 ↗ warrants there are warrants for four

1:02:14 ↗ hours a day eight hours a day peak hour

1:02:17 ↗ warrants so the the warrants look at

1:02:22 ↗ both traffic on the major street and

1:02:23 ↗ minor street typically the minor street

1:02:27 ↗ is the one that stopped controlled you

1:02:29 ↗ know intersecting a major arterial and

1:02:33 ↗ those get into the different volumes

1:02:37 ↗ have to occur over the course of

1:02:39 ↗ continuous hours or one peak hour or

1:02:42 ↗ what-have-you and they're there to

1:02:44 ↗ basically represent the relative delay

1:02:47 ↗ of side streets typical gaps that might

1:02:52 ↗ be available in traffic volume streams

1:02:55 ↗ of those different magnitudes

1:02:57 ↗ and the criteria are also adjusted

1:03:01 ↗ depending on the speed of the major

1:03:03 ↗ street or the size of the community

1:03:06 ↗ essentially a smaller community that

1:03:09 ↗ maybe has only 2,000 people that live in

1:03:11 ↗ it has a different warrant then the City

1:03:13 ↗ of Seattle does because the people in

1:03:16 ↗ Seattle tend to drive a little more mmm

1:03:20 ↗ I won't use the word aggressively but

1:03:23 ↗ they don't they're you know they're

1:03:25 ↗ willing to accept less gaps fewer gaps

1:03:28 ↗ or shorter gaps so there's other

1:03:32 ↗ criteria in the MU TCD safety being one

1:03:34 ↗ of them collision history pedestrian

1:03:38 ↗ demand that's there that needs to cross

1:03:40 ↗ the street and there's other other more

1:03:43 ↗ qualitative criteria that gets down to

1:03:46 ↗ you is a signal warranty given that we

1:03:49 ↗ have a system of other signals along an

1:03:52 ↗ arterial and this will just help

1:03:54 ↗ facilitate another point to connect to

1:03:57 ↗ it there's not a specific standard on

1:04:03 ↗ when you you can put in a signal because

1:04:06 ↗ it meets one warrant or it meets five

1:04:08 ↗ warrants it's really up to the judgment

1:04:10 ↗ of the engineer in this case and that

1:04:13 ↗ would be the city traffic engineer

1:04:16 ↗ Public Works Director so those are

1:04:19 ↗ that's kind of a general overview of

1:04:20 ↗ what signal warrants are thank you a

1:04:23 ↗ follow-up question I'm not sure if this

1:04:27 ↗ falls under your purview but there's a

1:04:29 ↗ pedestrian crossing proposed and I

1:04:32 ↗ assume that the the new phases it's

1:04:35 ↗ being used to access the amenity

1:04:38 ↗ facilities in the phase one and were

1:04:42 ↗ there any studies or is there a traffic

1:04:45 ↗ signal proposed at that crossing you're

1:04:48 ↗ talking about the one between phases one

1:04:50 ↗ and three or phases one to one that

1:04:53 ↗ crosses Sunrise plays Southwest I can

1:04:56 ↗ tell you

1:04:57 ↗ purely from a a warrant standpoint it

1:05:02 ↗ wouldn't meet it from either the

1:05:04 ↗ pedestrian demand or just the volume

1:05:06 ↗ that's on the roadway today or in the

1:05:08 ↗ future with a project I personally went

1:05:11 ↗ out and performed field visit there

1:05:14 ↗ looked at sight distance to confirm that

1:05:16 ↗ those were all met and I was able to

1:05:18 ↗ freely walk across the street with no

1:05:20 ↗ traffic at all

1:05:21 ↗ and didn't I think I only saw one car

1:05:23 ↗ and I was there for half an hour and

1:05:25 ↗ that's placed strategically such that

1:05:28 ↗ you do have distances correct it's also

1:05:32 ↗ placed strategically from what I would

1:05:36 ↗ call a pedestrian desire lined you know

1:05:39 ↗ you have pedestrian facilities that lead

1:05:40 ↗ you to a certain point and that point is

1:05:42 ↗ where you need to correct you know where

1:05:44 ↗ you logically would cross okay thank you

1:05:47 ↗ yeah speaking that can ask a question

1:05:49 ↗ about one of the conditions staff had

1:05:52 ↗ placed was to add a sidewalk at the

1:05:56 ↗ would be the west side of the street as

1:06:00 ↗ it connects to sunrise and the I guess I

1:06:07 ↗ had the question about and looking at

1:06:09 ↗ trying to figure out where pedestrians

1:06:10 ↗ will go and there would anybody use that

1:06:13 ↗ sidewalk that look at the people on the

1:06:16 ↗ east side thank you people right there

1:06:21 ↗ the people on the east side coming out

1:06:24 ↗ from Division

1:06:25 ↗ three would used to use outside walk and

1:06:28 ↗ the people guess I decide to walk would

1:06:30 ↗ only be used for people on the west side

1:06:33 ↗ of Division three but I think when I get

1:06:36 ↗ to the north west corner unit if you can

1:06:41 ↗ move the cursor which I guess down a

1:06:44 ↗ little bit to the other side of the

1:06:46 ↗ street right there so it's a sidewalk

1:06:49 ↗ from there to sunrise and it seems to me

1:06:51 ↗ it's a question as it seems like if I

1:06:53 ↗ were there I would just go straight

1:06:54 ↗ across for the street because there's no

1:06:57 ↗ sidewalk on the west side of sunrise

1:07:01 ↗ correct yes

1:07:02 ↗ so to that intersection do that right so

1:07:07 ↗ it seemed like I would just cross over

1:07:09 ↗ to the other side walk across the street

1:07:13 ↗ in other words I'm saying I don't know

1:07:14 ↗ that it's worth putting that other

1:07:17 ↗ sidewalk in if it takes up more

1:07:19 ↗ impervious surface when it does impact

1:07:22 ↗ the creeks buffer yeah so so that was a

1:07:26 ↗ staff generated condition right so if

1:07:30 ↗ you were walking from phase three to

1:07:34 ↗ Wildwood where would you go you're

1:07:38 ↗ pushed into the pavement right because

1:07:40 ↗ there's no continuous sidewalk there's

1:07:43 ↗ no well but there's no sidewalk on there

1:07:46 ↗ where he has to cursor there's no

1:07:47 ↗ sidewalk on the west side right you

1:07:49 ↗ cross you cross the street at that

1:07:52 ↗ intersection so you would so if I lived

1:07:54 ↗ in one any of the units on the south

1:07:57 ↗ side of Phase three I would want to walk

1:08:02 ↗ on a sidewalk all the way right and guy

1:08:06 ↗ was a missing piece that's right if were

1:08:08 ↗ me I would cross over if I were if

1:08:12 ↗ you're so if you're going if you're

1:08:13 ↗ going north right you're going to cross

1:08:16 ↗ over to the south side of the Phase

1:08:19 ↗ three road to go north yes because it's

1:08:22 ↗ a shorter distance no shorter distance

1:08:26 ↗ from that from there you get over to the

1:08:29 ↗ street it's a shorter distance to cross

1:08:31 ↗ there

1:08:32 ↗ then go around that curve I hear what

1:08:36 ↗ you're saying and I guess that would be

1:08:38 ↗ the question from a traffic engineer

1:08:41 ↗ looking at the plan you talked about

1:08:42 ↗ pedestrian movements where are they

1:08:46 ↗ gonna cross is that your question well

1:08:49 ↗ pedestrians cross wherever they want to

1:08:51 ↗ really even in where it's not allowed

1:08:54 ↗ you know in that's you know there's

1:08:59 ↗ still a lot of debate in whether or not

1:09:01 ↗ you put a marked crosswalk anywhere

1:09:03 ↗ these days sunrise just within yeah

1:09:06 ↗ Division three so pedestrians are gonna

1:09:09 ↗ walk whatever and different pedestrians

1:09:12 ↗ are just like different drivers they're

1:09:13 ↗ gonna take a different route to get the

1:09:15 ↗ same direction so a pedestrian is going

1:09:17 ↗ to take whatever path they want to take

1:09:19 ↗ if they're comfortable walking down on

1:09:21 ↗ the west side then they'll take it auto

1:09:23 ↗ or they'll just cross the street

1:09:24 ↗ wherever they feel more comfortable

1:09:30 ↗ thank you

1:09:33 ↗ question on that sundries place

1:09:37 ↗ Southwest where does that lead to that

1:09:40 ↗ road that goes up there is there a park

1:09:43 ↗ there this road or this road that drove

1:09:47 ↗ the second one yeah going up to the from

1:09:49 ↗ my understanding that just dead ends

1:09:54 ↗ well it goes up and eventually it

1:09:57 ↗ doesn't connect anywhere else but to

1:09:59 ↗ where it connects to other neighborhoods

1:10:02 ↗ up there but it doesn't go anything

1:10:03 ↗ anywhere beyond that oh okay

1:10:06 ↗ so we know how much or how many homes

1:10:08 ↗ there are up there

1:10:10 ↗ I do not know that off the top of my

1:10:11 ↗ head there do you eat okay yeah I like

1:10:18 ↗ the concept of phase two and phase three

1:10:20 ↗ and then you have your face one earlier

1:10:23 ↗ are you going to have a sinus as you're

1:10:26 ↗ entering curry development and then on

1:10:31 ↗ the other side you have inner sciences

1:10:33 ↗ you're exiting carry or welcomewelcome

1:10:35 ↗ something like that that bonds it as a

1:10:38 ↗ development as a name you know there's

1:10:40 ↗ an existing sign out at this

1:10:42 ↗ intersection currently that is

1:10:44 ↗ be relocated in some manner alright I

1:10:46 ↗ don't think they're gonna have there's

1:10:49 ↗ gonna be another sign down here but just

1:10:52 ↗ to let people know that this is calc re

1:10:54 ↗ yeah decide there are other homes up

1:10:57 ↗ there are 38 homes up there so they'll

1:10:59 ↗ be using that road to come down here

1:11:01 ↗ then yeah come down the hill mm-hmm I

1:11:06 ↗ had one more follow-up question sorry I

1:11:09 ↗ should have a tag this on my last

1:11:11 ↗ comment so the existing trail that's

1:11:15 ↗ being moved 15 feet and you're

1:11:18 ↗ reconstructing a stair right right there

1:11:21 ↗ does that connect to a trail then across

1:11:23 ↗ the street no it doesn't actually

1:11:27 ↗ rich Wagner again you basically you come

1:11:32 ↗ you arrive to the top there you take a

1:11:34 ↗ couple three breaths because it's a nice

1:11:36 ↗ little climb up check both ways and

1:11:38 ↗ cross the street we've talked about

1:11:41 ↗ whether it should be a crosswalk there

1:11:42 ↗ and that was not supported in our

1:11:46 ↗ studies just because of the amount of

1:11:49 ↗ traffic and again as Mike mentioned when

1:11:52 ↗ you paint a crosswalk you and for a

1:11:53 ↗ safety that's not really there oh I'm

1:12:01 ↗ sorry yes it is here a connection there

1:12:03 ↗ and then you walk on the sidewalk what

1:12:05 ↗ maybe 50 feet 100 feet something like

1:12:07 ↗ that okay and then it heads up

1:12:16 ↗ and I guess that was my question then

1:12:18 ↗ would would a demarcation of that

1:12:20 ↗ crossing be prudent it sounds like

1:12:23 ↗ you've addressed that and determined

1:12:25 ↗ that no it would be there you know when

1:12:28 ↗ I when I go back and look at the

1:12:30 ↗ original plans from 98 97 the concepts

1:12:33 ↗ that trail came up here and crossed

1:12:36 ↗ straight away but then there was a

1:12:37 ↗ really nice wetland down here identified

1:12:40 ↗ and so when they when the route was

1:12:41 ↗ finally built it was routed around that

1:12:43 ↗ wetland okay thank you

1:12:49 ↗ question is cheerin not not traffic but

1:12:52 ↗ this is for mr. Reid mr. Wagner faced

1:12:56 ↗ one you have it's all done it's nice and

1:13:00 ↗ you've you said as a follow-up to the

1:13:02 ↗ phase two and three are the four plants

1:13:05 ↗ similar to face one for phase two and

1:13:09 ↗ three all right no in fact that's one of

1:13:12 ↗ the changes that's happened in the

1:13:14 ↗ marketplace the phase one is theirs

1:13:21 ↗ they're condominiums and they're all

1:13:25 ↗ flat apartments three levels up serviced

1:13:28 ↗ with an elevator parking below in a

1:13:31 ↗ subgrade garage or daylight garage phase

1:13:35 ↗ two and three are gonna be townhomes

1:13:37 ↗ so they're again three stories but each

1:13:45 ↗ level each townhome would have its own

1:13:47 ↗ entrance okay okay but the elevations

1:13:53 ↗ you're trying to copy that of face one

1:13:58 ↗ well I hesitate to say copy but let me

1:14:01 ↗ say mimic yeah this is a good example

1:14:05 ↗ and one of the things that we've been

1:14:06 ↗ proposing to do to get those big roofs

1:14:08 ↗ you know you can see if you look very

1:14:11 ↗ carefully in a grading plan which I

1:14:13 ↗ would not encourage you because it's

1:14:15 ↗ real detailed there's sometimes minor

1:14:19 ↗ steps as you go down the hill here just

1:14:22 ↗ to connect to the grade but to get the

1:14:24 ↗ big roofs

1:14:25 ↗ we're looking at some of the upper

1:14:27 ↗ floors having a plate line a little

1:14:29 ↗ higher than the higher floor here and

1:14:32 ↗ that allows us to thrust that roof

1:14:33 ↗ across okay can you go to it's like 20

1:14:36 ↗ to the next one up okay

1:14:40 ↗ now looking at this you know I couldn't

1:14:42 ↗ tell which is real which is existing and

1:14:45 ↗ which is a proposal I take the existing

1:14:52 ↗ computers are pretty amazing yeah yeah

1:14:54 ↗ these two are proposed okay these are

1:14:58 ↗ pictures of existing phase one okay so

1:15:02 ↗ the elevation you're trying to stay with

1:15:06 ↗ the same modulation I think I like your

1:15:10 ↗ idea about the vertical modulation as

1:15:12 ↗ well where's the other one it's because

1:15:15 ↗ it's a four-story you're pretty much

1:15:17 ↗ forced to have vertical modulation down

1:15:21 ↗ to a minimum the new ones the proposed

1:15:26 ↗ one yeah a lot of modulation which is

1:15:28 ↗ good thank you okay ask a question think

1:15:34 ↗ while we're talking about floor plans

1:15:36 ↗ I'm trying to get my head around density

1:15:39 ↗ a little bit obviously the impervious

1:15:41 ↗ surface has gone down square footage is

1:15:43 ↗ down but

1:15:49 ↗ and so so in the previous scheme how

1:15:54 ↗ many bedrooms were in the the previous

1:15:56 ↗ scheme per unit would you say on average

1:15:59 ↗ was it two bedrooms probably average two

1:16:02 ↗ now I'm going back many years okay but I

1:16:06 ↗ don't think there's any one bedrooms

1:16:07 ↗ no one bedrooms okay not in the current

1:16:12 ↗ design in what we're proposing right

1:16:16 ↗ correct all of them now are three and

1:16:18 ↗ four bedrooms correct some would have an

1:16:20 ↗ alternate den bedroom media room but you

1:16:23 ↗ have tonight for sure so I'm trying to

1:16:25 ↗ just get my head around density and so

1:16:27 ↗ let's just say at one hundred and sixty

1:16:29 ↗ two units there may be two occupants per

1:16:33 ↗ unit just as an average that's three

1:16:37 ↗ hundred twenty four occupants and at 72

1:16:40 ↗ units say potentially say potentially

1:16:44 ↗ four occupants per unit as you can't say

1:16:48 ↗ how many people are gonna yank you buy

1:16:50 ↗ it but what's the density per unit could

1:16:53 ↗ go up but the unit goes down to 288 so

1:16:57 ↗ it's more of just a question do you feel

1:16:59 ↗ overall that the density will be lower

1:17:01 ↗ with the proposed scheme density

1:17:05 ↗ measured in occupants occupant yes I

1:17:10 ↗ think it could be a little higher okay

1:17:14 ↗ you know how you know what's that what's

1:17:16 ↗ the median size of a family in Issaquah

1:17:19 ↗ who point at entry point for I don't

1:17:24 ↗ know three point three two point two

1:17:26 ↗ okay yeah obviously you can't predict

1:17:28 ↗ that you know I'm just I'm just trying

1:17:31 ↗ to get my head around obviously the

1:17:33 ↗ project is smaller but could there be

1:17:38 ↗ potentially more people and as a result

1:17:41 ↗ automobiles traffic etc in the proposed

1:17:44 ↗ scheme yes people I know that there was

1:17:49 ↗ some discussion about whether whether

1:17:51 ↗ we're gonna allow children and Issaquah

1:17:52 ↗ or in this project that might be a

1:17:56 ↗ change I don't know if there's children

1:17:58 ↗ living in phase one now

1:18:01 ↗ the traffic again parking

1:18:05 ↗ we've got really plenty of parking we've

1:18:08 ↗ got two stalls in every garage plus

1:18:10 ↗ we've got guest parking will that work

1:18:15 ↗ you know I Drive through single-family

1:18:17 ↗ neighborhoods all the time and think it

1:18:19 ↗ should work but no one's putting their

1:18:20 ↗ car in the garage i we all can point to

1:18:25 ↗ those okay then the last question I had

1:18:29 ↗ is will the townhomes be held in

1:18:31 ↗ ownership the same way the condominium

1:18:33 ↗ as well meaning are they are they

1:18:35 ↗ participating in the Association and

1:18:37 ↗ will they have access to the amenities

1:18:39 ↗ yes and yes okay thank you

1:18:43 ↗ I should note on that the amenities of

1:18:48 ↗ phase the residents of phase one will

1:18:51 ↗ also have access to the amenities of two

1:18:53 ↗ and three okay we're trying to trying to

1:18:57 ↗ keep a neighborhood yeah all right thank

1:19:00 ↗ you very much further comments from the

1:19:03 ↗ commissioners what I'd like to do is

1:19:07 ↗ open the discussion to the public after

1:19:10 ↗ that discussion will we'll have our

1:19:14 ↗ closing discussion all right so at this

1:19:17 ↗ point I'd like to call Joanne Van Dusen

1:19:21 ↗ remember

1:19:30 ↗ but asked you to state your name and

1:19:32 ↗ address for that my name okay can you

1:19:43 ↗ hear me okay my name is Joe and Anderson

1:19:48 ↗ I've been phase one building see second

1:19:53 ↗ floor one-bedroom corner unit right next

1:19:57 ↗ to the wetland and the beautiful Creek

1:20:00 ↗ if I'm a little stiff today I just got

1:20:04 ↗ off of a very long flight and one of the

1:20:10 ↗ things over Labor Day weekend was a show

1:20:15 ↗ that said what is one of your memorable

1:20:18 ↗ things from the summer my memorable

1:20:22 ↗ thing from this summer was coming in to

1:20:26 ↗ kill Kerry I've been there 16 years and

1:20:35 ↗ for me the most memorable thing was

1:20:38 ↗ coming into Cal carry the beautiful

1:20:41 ↗ trees that I hope will not be cut down

1:20:42 ↗ and the deer crossing Cabin Creek Lane

1:20:48 ↗ right by the clubhouse they eat up on

1:20:52 ↗ the hill where one of the buildings just

1:20:55 ↗ gonna go they cost Kevin Creek Lane and

1:20:58 ↗ they eat on the other side where the

1:21:01 ↗ next building is not gonna go so for me

1:21:08 ↗ whenever I see that it's like what's

1:21:12 ↗ going to happen to them

1:21:14 ↗ this is my second meeting that I went to

1:21:19 ↗ and I went to the so called town hall

1:21:25 ↗ they had at the phase one and the

1:21:30 ↗ meeting became so contentious

1:21:32 ↗ [Applause]

1:21:34 ↗ my question never did get answered and I

1:21:37 ↗ packed up and I walked out and that's

1:21:40 ↗ actually why my neighbor didn't come

1:21:42 ↗ because she was afraid that she was

1:21:45 ↗ going to encounter one of the similar

1:21:47 ↗ things but I came to many of the many of

1:21:53 ↗ the development meetings that the City

1:21:56 ↗ Hall that you people have had so the

1:22:00 ↗ questions that I had for me were how

1:22:04 ↗ many trees you're gonna cut down what's

1:22:06 ↗ gonna happen to the beer and the noise

1:22:09 ↗ that's going to impact me in the corner

1:22:12 ↗ there and I was listening to your

1:22:17 ↗ comments the person here in the corner I

1:22:20 ↗ don't know what your name is and you

1:22:22 ↗ said that there's a condition where the

1:22:27 ↗ construction traffic will not use the

1:22:30 ↗ turnaround on Sunrise place then first I

1:22:33 ↗ know exactly where that is that's a big

1:22:35 ↗ colder sack so where I live in the

1:22:40 ↗ building I don't know if you can put

1:22:42 ↗ that up there but there's like there's

1:22:45 ↗ like a little turn around so are the

1:22:50 ↗ construction people going to come down

1:22:52 ↗ that Street and then turn around by the

1:22:54 ↗ by the sea building and then go out I

1:23:00 ↗ don't know where that matters can you

1:23:02 ↗ put that thing up there and when you

1:23:06 ↗ come down Cabin Creek Lane and then the

1:23:11 ↗ C building is here the back of the B

1:23:14 ↗ building and then there's like a little

1:23:15 ↗ turn around by the picnic area right

1:23:22 ↗ there yeah right here right there so

1:23:27 ↗ what I'm concerned about is the

1:23:29 ↗ construction is only going to be 8 to 4

1:23:33 ↗ so maybe they start arriving at 7:00 and

1:23:36 ↗ they'll run their dump trucks or

1:23:38 ↗ whatever right around in there well my

1:23:41 ↗ bedroom happens to be right on the

1:23:43 ↗ street there so what's going to happen

1:23:45 ↗ to the client privacy of me so whoever

1:23:52 ↗ has control over keeping your dumptrucks

1:23:55 ↗ in your trucks out of there put that on

1:23:57 ↗ your list please and there was at the

1:24:06 ↗ town hall at Cal Kerry somebody

1:24:08 ↗ mentioned on the plans that there was

1:24:11 ↗ supposed to be a trail that was going to

1:24:15 ↗ be right along

1:24:16 ↗ the C building on that one side where

1:24:21 ↗ the creek is and the wetland and that's

1:24:24 ↗ all growing up now so I don't know how

1:24:26 ↗ they're gonna squeeze a little trail in

1:24:28 ↗ there for public for the public because

1:24:32 ↗ I thought that wetland was preserved and

1:24:36 ↗ you do not cut you do not cut trees down

1:24:39 ↗ that was the other thing how many trees

1:24:41 ↗ are gonna cut down because it seems like

1:24:43 ↗ they're gonna take quite a few trees so

1:24:48 ↗ I think I have covered everything thank

1:24:52 ↗ you very much Thank You Linda spring

1:25:00 ↗ Minh

1:25:06 ↗ thank you good evening Linda spring Minh

1:25:09 ↗ I live it

1:25:10 ↗ 101 5 first place southeast in Issaquah

1:25:12 ↗ which I'm going to try and put this

1:25:14 ↗ microphone back which is in the

1:25:17 ↗ foothills development and right below

1:25:18 ↗ the phase 1 development of Kelkar II I

1:25:22 ↗ spoke two weeks ago so I'll try not to

1:25:25 ↗ be too repetitive but I was interested

1:25:27 ↗ to see in in the packet that was posted

1:25:31 ↗ on the website that some of the things

1:25:33 ↗ that were brought up were addressed and

1:25:34 ↗ I felt like some were explained away but

1:25:38 ↗ not really addressed so there's a couple

1:25:40 ↗ things that I just wanted to cover with

1:25:42 ↗ you and one is that I will be repetitive

1:25:44 ↗ when I tell you that I strongly believe

1:25:48 ↗ that decisions we made 20 years ago

1:25:51 ↗ should not be made using the same data

1:25:54 ↗ and I would refer you to page 19 of 36

1:26:00 ↗ in the packet where you've identified

1:26:02 ↗ what standards are being used to make

1:26:05 ↗ the decisions on this project it looks

1:26:09 ↗ like the two areas that are of my

1:26:11 ↗ biggest concern then I'm going to talk

1:26:13 ↗ about today are using 1999 approval

1:26:16 ↗ standards and those are the geotechnical

1:26:18 ↗ evaluation of manmade slopes and the

1:26:21 ↗ traffic impact fee and what I would ask

1:26:23 ↗ is if somebody can clarify for me what

1:26:27 ↗ the standards were in 1999 and how those

1:26:30 ↗ differ from what they are today in 2017

1:26:33 ↗ if they're no different that's helpful

1:26:35 ↗ to know but if there are things that

1:26:37 ↗ have changed in the standards between

1:26:38 ↗ that time I'd like to know what they are

1:26:40 ↗ so that we know what compromises were

1:26:43 ↗ making related to both of those areas

1:26:47 ↗ the the one of the things that came up

1:26:50 ↗ earlier was the request for a signal at

1:26:53 ↗ sunrise and Wildwood and I'm not sure I

1:26:57 ↗ really remember that but I may have been

1:27:00 ↗ the person who led us astray because I

1:27:02 ↗ was confused last presentation the

1:27:05 ↗ traffic area that is the huge concern

1:27:08 ↗ for us right now getting to our

1:27:10 ↗ neighborhood is at the intersection of

1:27:13 ↗ Newport way and Wildwood which is down

1:27:16 ↗ the hill about half

1:27:18 ↗ half a mile towards Wildwood from the

1:27:20 ↗ calc re-development another half mile

1:27:22 ↗ down the hill to Newport way but traffic

1:27:25 ↗ jam goes all the way back to the

1:27:28 ↗ elementary school frequently multiple

1:27:30 ↗ nights a week and efforts to try and

1:27:33 ↗ come up with a solution to that have

1:27:35 ↗ been unsuccessful so far suggesting that

1:27:38 ↗ they keep the traffic going towards

1:27:42 ↗ towards a long Newport Way east into

1:27:46 ↗ this into the left-hand lane so that

1:27:48 ↗ people wanting to go up to the

1:27:50 ↗ neighborhood TURN RIGHT people last time

1:27:52 ↗ talked about how residents trying to

1:27:57 ↗ access Wildwood will stay in the left

1:27:59 ↗ lane and then when the traffic has

1:28:00 ↗ stopped turned right in front of them

1:28:02 ↗ which is highly unsafe

1:28:04 ↗ I have many times detour a mountain park

1:28:06 ↗ gone all the way around the hill to get

1:28:09 ↗ down to or to sunrise place because it

1:28:13 ↗ would just take an inordinate amount of

1:28:14 ↗ time to get to the turn signal so what I

1:28:18 ↗ would ask instead of just telling you

1:28:20 ↗ what the problem is I have a suggestion

1:28:22 ↗ what I would like us to do is see if we

1:28:25 ↗ can do a traffic study so that I don't

1:28:29 ↗ know what the requirements are with the

1:28:30 ↗ amount of traffic at a signal needs to

1:28:33 ↗ be but I would love it if we could do a

1:28:35 ↗ traffic signal review to see what kind

1:28:38 ↗ of traffic is using that what the

1:28:40 ↗ backups are like and so we can try and

1:28:42 ↗ remediate that I know it's I know it's

1:28:45 ↗ fewer people that Worthen were

1:28:47 ↗ originally approved for this development

1:28:49 ↗ but it is gonna be additional traffic

1:28:51 ↗ than there is today and it's already

1:28:53 ↗ just really impossible to get to the

1:28:55 ↗ neighborhood that the second thing I

1:28:58 ↗ wanted to address is regarding the Geo

1:29:00 ↗ surveys and I am NOT an expert on this

1:29:04 ↗ and I know that a lot of really smart

1:29:06 ↗ people have done a lot of work on trying

1:29:08 ↗ to understand the the stability of the

1:29:12 ↗ ground that we're talking about I know

1:29:14 ↗ that 500 feet away to me does not seem

1:29:17 ↗ like a very long distance to have had a

1:29:20 ↗ landslide and I get that the ground

1:29:22 ↗ changes every 10 feet or I don't know

1:29:23 ↗ how often but to me something within 500

1:29:26 ↗ feet that had a landslide is really

1:29:28 ↗ concerning to me I

1:29:30 ↗ know that when the Tallis development

1:29:33 ↗ was being made there were probably

1:29:34 ↗ geological surveys done and a landslide

1:29:38 ↗ happened oh so I think people knew that

1:29:40 ↗ there was a possibility but a lot of

1:29:43 ↗ really smart people built and there was

1:29:45 ↗ a landslide so I am uncomfortable with

1:29:47 ↗ it and I think you are too and I will

1:29:50 ↗ refer you to the it was item 7 and 150

1:29:57 ↗ page packet from two weeks ago that

1:29:59 ↗ talked about the steep slope

1:30:00 ↗ indemnification there's only one place

1:30:03 ↗ in the 150 pages where there was

1:30:05 ↗ discussion of this and it said prior to

1:30:07 ↗ issuance of a building permit the

1:30:09 ↗ applicant shall establish a mechanism

1:30:11 ↗ acceptable to the city which notifies

1:30:13 ↗ future buyers of the apartment it's less

1:30:15 ↗ condominium units or Lots that the steep

1:30:18 ↗ slope buffers were reduced and that

1:30:20 ↗ development has occurred within 50 feet

1:30:22 ↗ of a steep slope the applicant shall

1:30:24 ↗ execute an agreement that indemnifies

1:30:27 ↗ and holds the city harmless for

1:30:29 ↗ development within 50 feet of the steep

1:30:32 ↗ slopes to me that says you have a

1:30:34 ↗ question too so I would like further

1:30:37 ↗ review done I think it this goes back to

1:30:41 ↗ that we're using a 1999 standard and I

1:30:43 ↗ just would like us to triple check that

1:30:46 ↗ nothing's gonna happen thanks for your

1:30:48 ↗ time so thank you I can't tell if that's

1:30:57 ↗ Mary Ann or Marva and crane

1:31:09 ↗ I'm Maryann crane 12:32 sunrise plays

1:31:12 ↗ southeast and Issaquah so live in the

1:31:14 ↗ foothills as does Linda spring men

1:31:17 ↗ certainly agree with everything she said

1:31:19 ↗ I did send comments and that I think you

1:31:22 ↗ referred to I couldn't hear you quite

1:31:24 ↗ well one of them was about the

1:31:25 ↗ construction hours that she said you're

1:31:27 ↗ going to talk about later one of our big

1:31:30 ↗ concerns is parking and access into the

1:31:37 ↗ foothills which is the development after

1:31:39 ↗ kill Cory you asked about that earlier

1:31:41 ↗ there's 38 homes there in the first and

1:31:43 ↗ second cul-de-sacs I did see something

1:31:47 ↗ that talked about perhaps suggesting

1:31:50 ↗ traffic be restricted to one side of the

1:31:53 ↗ street but I didn't see anything that

1:31:55 ↗ said a decision had been made and I

1:31:57 ↗ think it's really important that that be

1:31:59 ↗ we have some assurance that that's going

1:32:01 ↗ to happen now when people use the trail

1:32:03 ↗ and they hike and they park on both

1:32:06 ↗ sides of the street you can see it's

1:32:08 ↗ very very narrow the Issaquah School

1:32:10 ↗ District determined that they couldn't

1:32:12 ↗ even get their buses down pascale carry

1:32:15 ↗ into foothills and the only stop is at

1:32:17 ↗ the corner of Wildwood and sunrise place

1:32:20 ↗ that Linda talked about and school buses

1:32:22 ↗ are shorter than fire engines etc so

1:32:25 ↗ that's a very big concern we have about

1:32:27 ↗ emergency vehicles having access and

1:32:29 ↗ honestly construction workers I'm not

1:32:33 ↗ sure where they're gonna park but they

1:32:34 ↗ shouldn't be parking on the I on that

1:32:36 ↗ road either so I think it's really

1:32:38 ↗ important that it be designated a fire

1:32:41 ↗ lane as we have down where we live in

1:32:43 ↗ the foothills we don't have parking on

1:32:45 ↗ the one side all the way down through

1:32:47 ↗ the cul-de-sacs it's a fire lane all the

1:32:49 ↗ way and we really would urge that you

1:32:52 ↗ all consider that and and see that it's

1:32:54 ↗ enforced I'm not a traffic person but I

1:32:58 ↗ don't understand what the numbers were

1:33:00 ↗ on that chart you made reference to the

1:33:03 ↗ fact that they're townhouses well I

1:33:05 ↗ think there's going to be at least two

1:33:06 ↗ cars in each maybe three that bumps the

1:33:10 ↗ number from 72 to close to 150 your

1:33:13 ↗ chart indicated only 26 cars would make

1:33:19 ↗ an a.m. trip at peak that's 1/6

1:33:23 ↗ of the vehicles that are going to be

1:33:25 ↗ there I'm just not clear where those

1:33:27 ↗ numbers are coming from most people are

1:33:30 ↗ gonna go to work and they're gonna go a

1:33:32 ↗ rush hour so how 26 from 150 or 160 I

1:33:36 ↗ don't know 33 in peak hours on the p.m.

1:33:40 ↗ I'm not sure how we got that low of a

1:33:42 ↗ number either so I'd like some

1:33:45 ↗ clarification on that thank you for your

1:33:47 ↗ time Richard Kendall

1:33:58 ↗ good evening I'm Richard Kendall at 1 1

1:34:01 ↗ 6 Northwest 70th Seattle 981 1/7 I am

1:34:05 ↗ NOT going to speak tonight but I would

1:34:06 ↗ like to submit into public record two

1:34:09 ↗ letters from area residents that could

1:34:11 ↗ not be here tonight that are in support

1:34:12 ↗ of the project I do that from here yes

1:34:15 ↗ thank you

1:34:23 ↗ so that's everybody that signed in if

1:34:27 ↗ you would like to speak I'd encourage

1:34:29 ↗ you to come and sign in and we'll hi my

1:34:47 ↗ name is Tom McDonald I live at one two

1:34:49 ↗ to seven sunrise place southeast to

1:34:51 ↗ Washington 1987 and I think one of

1:34:56 ↗ the primary things I want to talk about

1:34:57 ↗ is the traffic part so if these are

1:34:59 ↗ houses they're going to be I will say

1:35:02 ↗ kill car is a pretty nice development

1:35:03 ↗ the first couple places as far as

1:35:04 ↗ architectural and so the places is the

1:35:07 ↗ new development this we put up are going

1:35:08 ↗ to be I would say probably gonna be

1:35:11 ↗ pretty expensive which means people are

1:35:12 ↗ going to have to work to buy those which

1:35:15 ↗ means they're going to be leaving early

1:35:16 ↗ in the morning so the 26 trips a day

1:35:18 ↗ just doesn't make sense I would say that

1:35:21 ↗ that's obably gonna be the least one car

1:35:23 ↗ per household this can be leaving early

1:35:24 ↗ in the morning the afternoon may vary

1:35:26 ↗ because the p.m. fair so will vary based

1:35:28 ↗ on work session but in the morning again

1:35:30 ↗ it kids up school going to work that's

1:35:32 ↗ all going to be a pretty much that

1:35:33 ↗ timeframe that they're going to be going

1:35:34 ↗ out I would agree that I think a traffic

1:35:37 ↗ light at sunrise and Maude would is not

1:35:40 ↗ a good option because of the way it's

1:35:41 ↗ coming down they'll induce accidents if

1:35:43 ↗ that happens but where there is a

1:35:45 ↗ problem is at Wildwood and Newport where

1:35:52 ↗ there's two lanes when you're going

1:35:53 ↗ eastbound in Newport is if you're going

1:35:55 ↗ to go south on Front Street people

1:35:57 ↗ occupy as was mentioned earlier at the

1:35:59 ↗ right hand lane to continue right to

1:36:00 ↗ take a right turn where that right-hand

1:36:02 ↗ Lane could be a right turn only on the

1:36:04 ↗ Wildwood that would help part of it and

1:36:06 ↗ the inside lane would be the through

1:36:09 ↗ Lane once you get through the

1:36:10 ↗ intersection of Wildwood then that could

1:36:11 ↗ split and they can go into you the lane

1:36:12 ↗ after that that helped some of the back

1:36:14 ↗ up there although the backup does go

1:36:16 ↗ back up to the elementary school and to

1:36:18 ↗ target target so I think some

1:36:22 ↗ clarification on how that trip number 26

1:36:25 ↗ came up is the main question I have and

1:36:28 ↗ also I think come for our Keith for

1:36:31 ↗ information provided as far as the

1:36:33 ↗ cold sack turned around in in first

1:36:36 ↗ place the other question I have comes

1:36:39 ↗ back to playgrounds in area and one of

1:36:44 ↗ our concerns is we have a play yard that

1:36:46 ↗ has swing set slides as basketball court

1:36:49 ↗ and if there is nothing like that in

1:36:50 ↗ this development that they're going to

1:36:51 ↗ be migrating down to our playground and

1:36:54 ↗ that opens our liability potential for

1:36:57 ↗ accidents they might happen in our area

1:36:59 ↗ where if they don't have anything in

1:37:00 ↗ there in this development that might

1:37:02 ↗ provide for the same amenities for for

1:37:05 ↗ the range of youth that are going to be

1:37:06 ↗ living there that's it thank you thank

1:37:11 ↗ you

1:37:11 ↗ you don't forget don't forget to sign in

1:37:14 ↗ please

1:37:30 ↗ hello my name is my name is Pat Duke

1:37:35 ↗ I live on 375 southeast Crossland Lane

1:37:38 ↗ in Issaquah in Old Town really close to

1:37:42 ↗ here

1:37:44 ↗ I have probably gone hiking walk from my

1:37:48 ↗ house up there and taking those little

1:37:50 ↗ trails and honestly I didn't know that

1:37:53 ↗ that Traverse Trail existed until about

1:37:56 ↗ six months ago so here for years I've

1:37:59 ↗ been you know going down and walking

1:38:02 ↗ along the street and down through

1:38:03 ↗ Sycamore when I you know didn't want to

1:38:07 ↗ be up in the woods it was too late in

1:38:08 ↗ the day or with the weather was awful

1:38:09 ↗ I've probably been in that neighborhood

1:38:12 ↗ walked it been on the existing trail

1:38:15 ↗ that goes you know down what do they

1:38:18 ↗ call that the down long Cabin Creek

1:38:20 ↗ there at least a hundred times and so

1:38:24 ↗ Raymond I wanted to let you know that I

1:38:28 ↗ forgot anyway if you want if you want to

1:38:32 ↗ go for a walk there sometime I'll take

1:38:34 ↗ you through that area because when you

1:38:37 ↗ were talking I could just tell I thought

1:38:39 ↗ you can't visualize what's here also

1:38:42 ↗ that little trail that's down there now

1:38:44 ↗ I don't know if the city has a

1:38:45 ↗ responsibility for that or if the carry

1:38:49 ↗ has a responsibility for it it's so

1:38:51 ↗ decrepit right now there are a couple

1:38:53 ↗ itty bitty bridges on it and and I mean

1:38:56 ↗ they're just literally falling apart

1:38:58 ↗ that but anyway what I want to say is

1:39:02 ↗ I've been up in that Hill a lot now in

1:39:06 ↗ the last six months I was there last

1:39:08 ↗ Sunday with Janet wall and I don't know

1:39:11 ↗ how many of you know her but she's been

1:39:13 ↗ for a long long time on the rivers and

1:39:16 ↗ streams fort in Issaquah she's a very

1:39:19 ↗ well respected scientist and and she's

1:39:22 ↗ lived in it's aquifer very long time and

1:39:25 ↗ she just loves his town and has a great

1:39:28 ↗ deal of interest in it as do I

1:39:30 ↗ and by the way I've been here since 1986

1:39:33 ↗ and I've been a homeowner the whole time

1:39:35 ↗ I'm here so I just want to say that I I

1:39:39 ↗ think this planning is

1:39:41 ↗ beautiful I think it's you know very

1:39:43 ↗ well then

1:39:44 ↗ I was impressed with the architectural

1:39:46 ↗ plans and everything and with the

1:39:48 ↗ sensitivity of things like impervious

1:39:50 ↗ surfaces there is a tremendous amount of

1:39:54 ↗ water coming down that hill I'm a native

1:39:58 ↗ plant steward and I was with Janet who

1:40:01 ↗ knows a lot about the rivers and streams

1:40:03 ↗ and she could hardly believe her eyes

1:40:06 ↗ she said I've never been on a trail

1:40:08 ↗ there there are certain plants that grow

1:40:11 ↗ where there has to be a lot of water and

1:40:15 ↗ and one of them as I mentioned before is

1:40:17 ↗ Maiden Hill maiden hair ferns that come

1:40:20 ↗ growing right out straight out of the

1:40:21 ↗ hillside and just as far as your eye can

1:40:24 ↗ see

1:40:24 ↗ you know there's banks of them and

1:40:27 ↗ pretty much that happens where there's

1:40:29 ↗ water seeping there's a creek that was

1:40:34 ↗ there were two creeks running on that

1:40:36 ↗ little traverse that goes between this

1:40:39 ↗ area and an Sycamore there are two

1:40:43 ↗ creeps surrounding two weeks ago

1:40:45 ↗ last Sunday one of them was barely

1:40:48 ↗ ringing and although the other one was

1:40:50 ↗ running running just fine so there are

1:40:54 ↗ some places where water I guess could

1:40:56 ↗ drain into those creeks as long as it

1:40:59 ↗ can drain there and still say stay clean

1:41:01 ↗ because those are really untouched areas

1:41:04 ↗ I'm gonna react sten my invitation and

1:41:07 ↗ say that if anybody wants go on this

1:41:10 ↗ hike it's only one mile it doesn't take

1:41:12 ↗ very long you know please send me an

1:41:16 ↗ email or give me a call and I'd be glad

1:41:18 ↗ to take you up there if you just want to

1:41:20 ↗ go up there and walk on the streets I'm

1:41:22 ↗ I'm just pretty familiar with that area

1:41:25 ↗ I also want to say that that I I agree

1:41:30 ↗ with Melvin when you talked about

1:41:33 ↗ walking up there I I think you know even

1:41:37 ↗ though obviously you know I'm gonna go

1:41:40 ↗ where there's a sidewalk but but I agree

1:41:44 ↗ that it seems really natural to cross

1:41:46 ↗ the sidewalk across sunset there and and

1:41:50 ↗ walk where the sidewalk already exists

1:41:52 ↗ right now you talked about you

1:41:55 ↗ you know do you need those extra

1:41:57 ↗ sidewalks and anyway I don't know when

1:42:01 ↗ by the time you get all these other cars

1:42:04 ↗ there and I think I don't know I mean do

1:42:08 ↗ they actually have no children allowed

1:42:11 ↗ or something like that I mean I can't

1:42:13 ↗ see having townhouses that are three and

1:42:15 ↗ four-bedroom and building by a forest I

1:42:19 ↗ mean if I had a family young family and

1:42:21 ↗ had the many buy one of those I mean I

1:42:23 ↗ definitely here's a place where I can

1:42:26 ↗ take my kids out onto their trail and

1:42:28 ↗ down to the creek and all that sort of

1:42:30 ↗ things so I really think that's going to

1:42:31 ↗ be family I think you're going to have

1:42:33 ↗ at least two cars how many parents don't

1:42:38 ↗ take their kids preschoolers and

1:42:40 ↗ children to school nowadays and how many

1:42:43 ↗ parents live in a family were only one

1:42:46 ↗ of them works so I think if you have 72

1:42:48 ↗ new units going in you can count on at

1:42:50 ↗ least 144 cars going out of there every

1:42:53 ↗ day I also want to say because I've

1:42:56 ↗ walked this area so much that that

1:42:59 ↗ intersection of Wildwood and Newport not

1:43:03 ↗ only is that hazardous for cars but

1:43:06 ↗ that's hazardous for pedestrians I often

1:43:09 ↗ walk over by the Salmon Hatchery and and

1:43:13 ↗ cross the street there where there's a I

1:43:15 ↗ I think you just step on a pad and it

1:43:18 ↗ blinks a light and cars you know know

1:43:20 ↗ that you're waiting across the street

1:43:22 ↗ that's fine by me I like that better

1:43:24 ↗ than a regular stoplight however when I

1:43:28 ↗ come down to the bottom of the hill

1:43:29 ↗ there's a sidewalk on the uphill side

1:43:31 ↗ which I like to walk on because I have a

1:43:34 ↗ great view and because the sidewalk is

1:43:37 ↗ kind of down from the road on the other

1:43:39 ↗ side but then when I get to the bottom

1:43:41 ↗ all of a sudden the sidewalk is gone and

1:43:43 ↗ that last block there's there's no

1:43:46 ↗ sidewalk on that side of the street and

1:43:48 ↗ it's a blind Street crossing because

1:43:51 ↗ it's a hill and cars are coming down and

1:43:54 ↗ coming up and and turning the corner and

1:43:56 ↗ they can't see me and I have to look

1:43:58 ↗ back and forth and just kind of run for

1:44:00 ↗ it to cross the street and then where I

1:44:03 ↗ want to go down where the traffic's

1:44:04 ↗ safer I have to cross the street twice

1:44:06 ↗ to get over by this

1:44:08 ↗ and how true it's really weird so I do

1:44:10 ↗ think she should do a traffic study at

1:44:13 ↗ the intersection of Wildwood and Newport

1:44:15 ↗ way let me see if there is anything else

1:44:19 ↗ here oh I just I just want to say that

1:44:25 ↗ having lived in Issaquah for a long time

1:44:27 ↗ and having seen the changes that have

1:44:29 ↗ occurred over the past years I really

1:44:33 ↗ think that trying to make decisions or

1:44:37 ↗ making allowances today based on

1:44:40 ↗ standards that were in place in 1991

1:44:44 ↗ I think Yuri an EIN teen 99 I really do

1:44:47 ↗ think you need to take a look at at

1:44:49 ↗ whether those standards are still

1:44:51 ↗ appropriate today because your home is

1:44:56 ↗ such a big investment in your life and

1:44:59 ↗ to think that somebody would buy a

1:45:03 ↗ beautiful place to live in and and be

1:45:07 ↗ building an on on ground that might

1:45:10 ↗ possibly slide it's terrible and and a

1:45:13 ↗ friend of ours I knew her very well our

1:45:16 ↗ kids went to grade school and high

1:45:18 ↗ school together

1:45:19 ↗ her home was on the street above that

1:45:22 ↗ and she lost her home and because at

1:45:27 ↗ home had been there for I don't know

1:45:29 ↗ like 15 or 20 years or something like

1:45:31 ↗ that that she tried to go for it the

1:45:34 ↗ city tried to go for the county tried to

1:45:36 ↗ go for it the builders she ended up

1:45:39 ↗ losing her home completely with no

1:45:42 ↗ redress and she was a single parent with

1:45:46 ↗ two kids so and it was a lovely little

1:45:50 ↗ home so anyway consider that thank you

1:45:54 ↗ thank you

1:45:58 ↗ I think mr. Raleigh's next bar comments

1:46:07 ↗ I'm skip Rowley 1595 on Northwest Gilman

1:46:11 ↗ Boulevard

1:46:12 ↗ my daughter Carrie and I were the

1:46:15 ↗ original developers of Kelkar a phase

1:46:17 ↗ one that piece of property has been in

1:46:20 ↗ our family since 1954 and when we

1:46:26 ↗ decided to build Kelkar a phase one

1:46:29 ↗ Carrie and I went through three

1:46:31 ↗ different architects to try to come up

1:46:34 ↗ with three different plans that fit that

1:46:36 ↗ property it wasn't until we got rich

1:46:39 ↗ Wagner in our office who at that time

1:46:42 ↗ was with bayless brand Wegener I believe

1:46:45 ↗ was the name of the firm rich was able

1:46:49 ↗ to show us how he could design and fit

1:46:51 ↗ onto that piece of property something

1:46:53 ↗ that would be very similar to a ski

1:46:55 ↗ lodge from the west part of the United

1:46:58 ↗ States and how it would fit in to the

1:47:00 ↗ trees and all of that and I think that

1:47:02 ↗ he's done a very good job in doing the

1:47:04 ↗ same thing with what inter-corporate is

1:47:07 ↗ proposing when we decided to sell that

1:47:12 ↗ property that decision was primarily

1:47:14 ↗ based on the fact that we got a

1:47:17 ↗ development agreement with the city of

1:47:19 ↗ Issaquah for the 80 acres that we have

1:47:21 ↗ down on the commercial floor and we

1:47:24 ↗ wanted to spend our time and efforts

1:47:26 ↗ developing that and in between Kelkar a

1:47:30 ↗ phase one two today we've been through a

1:47:33 ↗ major recession the construction costs

1:47:36 ↗ climbed to a point where Carrie and I

1:47:38 ↗ didn't think we could afford to do it so

1:47:40 ↗ when we marketed we had six different

1:47:44 ↗ development companies come to us with

1:47:46 ↗ proposals and the only one that we

1:47:50 ↗ really wanted was inter court because

1:47:52 ↗ they have the ability to do the project

1:47:53 ↗ to pay for it and to build it on time

1:47:56 ↗ and do a really good job I'm familiar

1:47:59 ↗ with some of the slide issues that

1:48:03 ↗ happened with foothills there should be

1:48:05 ↗ no problem with the development of

1:48:07 ↗ Cavell Kelkar phases 2 & 3 I

1:48:10 ↗ want to scare people with the idea that

1:48:12 ↗ this thing might slide cuz it won't if

1:48:14 ↗ it's done properly we had the issue up

1:48:17 ↗ at Allis and that was another instance

1:48:19 ↗ where something wasn't done quite quite

1:48:21 ↗ right but the soils on this property are

1:48:24 ↗ fine I also want to remind everybody

1:48:28 ↗ that this property abuts a 40 acre State

1:48:31 ↗ Park no in that state King County Park

1:48:34 ↗ and all of the property up above it is

1:48:37 ↗ so steep that nothing will ever be built

1:48:40 ↗ on it so this is a small little

1:48:42 ↗ indentation in a very huge piece of

1:48:44 ↗ property that will be open space for

1:48:46 ↗ everybody to enjoy so I would hope that

1:48:48 ↗ you would look on favor of this I think

1:48:52 ↗ inner Corp has done a fantastic job of

1:48:54 ↗ working with the city staff and going

1:48:56 ↗ through this project inch by inch this

1:48:59 ↗ idea that all of the rules and

1:49:03 ↗ regulations of nineteen and ninety or

1:49:05 ↗ ninety nine or whatever it was affect

1:49:07 ↗ this property that's not right because

1:49:10 ↗ we the up-to-date soils the up-to-date

1:49:12 ↗ wetlands all of that sort of stuff is

1:49:15 ↗ part of this project so I hope you do it

1:49:18 ↗ it's a good project I think Issaquah

1:49:20 ↗ will be better for it and thank you

1:49:35 ↗ I am due to widen I am live at 1,000

1:49:40 ↗ Cabin Creek Lane Northwest be 301 I'm

1:49:44 ↗ the one that gets the view of the big

1:49:46 ↗ new building right out my window I'm not

1:49:50 ↗ sure exactly how I feel about that I

1:49:53 ↗ really like the deer I really like the

1:49:56 ↗ wildlife I like my little view of

1:50:01 ↗ shangri-la is the best way that I can

1:50:03 ↗ put it however that being said I do

1:50:08 ↗ believe that Inter Corp has done a

1:50:11 ↗ really good job of working through this

1:50:13 ↗ and presenting what they plan to do and

1:50:16 ↗ I appreciate it I really do I feel

1:50:18 ↗ comfortable and confident in what's

1:50:21 ↗ gonna happen I know I can't do anything

1:50:23 ↗ about them developing the property it's

1:50:26 ↗ not mine

1:50:26 ↗ I just look over it I also think that as

1:50:32 ↗ a homeowner probably is gonna my

1:50:35 ↗ homeowner value so my major concerns

1:50:40 ↗ have to do with the changes to the

1:50:46 ↗ neighborhood and yes they primarily have

1:50:48 ↗ to do with traffic I to try not to go

1:50:54 ↗ out anywhere after three o'clock in the

1:50:56 ↗ afternoon and come down Newport and have

1:50:59 ↗ to go home because it's just ridiculous

1:51:03 ↗ and it's in that's not part of a problem

1:51:07 ↗ that really has to do with wild witters

1:51:09 ↗ on sadder or anything that has to do

1:51:12 ↗ with the growth and the region and

1:51:14 ↗ everything that's going on that being

1:51:18 ↗ said I do believe like Susan and others

1:51:22 ↗ just said that some more study or review

1:51:25 ↗ over what the effects of the impact on

1:51:31 ↗ traffic and the more bodies is gonna do

1:51:34 ↗ to what's there will happen and I also

1:51:37 ↗ don't know where that you know 26 Road

1:51:40 ↗ Trip there are gonna be two minivans

1:51:44 ↗ that go out at least four times a day I

1:51:47 ↗ know that my other concern has to do

1:51:50 ↗ with the traffic that's going to be

1:51:52 ↗ going on on Cabin Creek Lane and I

1:51:57 ↗ understand that you're going to put a

1:51:58 ↗ sidewalk in on the other side and and in

1:52:01 ↗ the building and that kind of stuff

1:52:03 ↗ there will be improvements made I also

1:52:06 ↗ know that all of the parking that you're

1:52:08 ↗ talking about using is at the clubhouse

1:52:10 ↗ and granted if there's nothing going on

1:52:13 ↗ at the clubhouse that's fine you know

1:52:16 ↗ there's nine spots there plus two

1:52:20 ↗ handicap but there is no place else for

1:52:25 ↗ anybody to park except in front of my

1:52:30 ↗ building which happens to be B the first

1:52:32 ↗ one the closest to the new buildings and

1:52:34 ↗ stuff like that and I don't park in

1:52:37 ↗ front very often because I have a

1:52:39 ↗ parking place in there in in the garage

1:52:43 ↗ but I don't think it's reasonable to

1:52:49 ↗ think that you could put that mass of

1:52:50 ↗ humanity and cars and people in one

1:52:53 ↗ place and not provide a place for them

1:52:55 ↗ to park I also think that the road on if

1:53:02 ↗ if you're out and the kids are going to

1:53:05 ↗ school and they're waiting for the bus

1:53:07 ↗ or their parents are waiting for the bus

1:53:08 ↗ at the end of sunrise where it goes

1:53:11 ↗ across well with there twice a day

1:53:14 ↗ there's a lot of people and and the

1:53:19 ↗ people that live in 40s have concerns

1:53:20 ↗ too you know there's just there's just

1:53:22 ↗ that's a lot of traffic I don't know if

1:53:25 ↗ anybody's done meeting traffic counts

1:53:27 ↗ you know or anything like that I've I've

1:53:30 ↗ read and I tried to look and read

1:53:32 ↗ through some of the reports but

1:53:33 ↗ everything does seem to be related to

1:53:36 ↗ 1999 and since then they've built you

1:53:39 ↗ know they've built I don't know what any

1:53:42 ↗ more houses down at the end of the hill

1:53:44 ↗ and now they're gonna add seventy two

1:53:46 ↗ more and it's sort of like it's time to

1:53:48 ↗ think about what the massive traffic in

1:53:50 ↗ the use of the roadways and sidewalks

1:53:53 ↗ for the community really is going to do

1:53:55 ↗ so thank you

1:53:59 ↗ let's call any other public wishing to

1:54:03 ↗ make comment if you do please sign in hi

1:54:14 ↗ steeper era 117 northeast dogwood Street

1:54:16 ↗ for about ten years so a couple thoughts

1:54:19 ↗ one is or I guess the first it has to do

1:54:22 ↗ I guess what kind of cumulative effect

1:54:24 ↗ of traffic and whether or not there

1:54:25 ↗ should be a light at this one particular

1:54:28 ↗ intersection and maybe it's more

1:54:31 ↗ addressed to city code it seems like

1:54:33 ↗ until you get to the point where traffic

1:54:35 ↗ is impacted there's no fees that are

1:54:37 ↗ paid for that maybe there should be a

1:54:38 ↗ cumulative effect of a fee paid into by

1:54:43 ↗ developers for the eventual cost that's

1:54:46 ↗ going to be occurred when that gets to a

1:54:47 ↗ certain point we later this particular

1:54:53 ↗ intersection at some point I don't know

1:54:55 ↗ that there is any future way to mitigate

1:54:56 ↗ traffic that goes up and down that on

1:54:59 ↗ the existing roads maybe that should be

1:55:02 ↗ part of the consideration of how you

1:55:03 ↗ would mitigate the traffic that's

1:55:05 ↗ already reported to be bad and and how

1:55:07 ↗ development gets improved or not

1:55:09 ↗ approved based on the cumulative effect

1:55:11 ↗ and crunch points where traffic

1:55:14 ↗ congestion happens that's maybe broader

1:55:16 ↗ than the scope of this body but that was

1:55:19 ↗ worth saying somebody mentioned the

1:55:23 ↗ trail and I guess I'm not sure if that's

1:55:25 ↗ a responsibility that that's gonna be

1:55:27 ↗ relocated if that if the kakari is

1:55:30 ↗ maintaining responsibility for

1:55:31 ↗ maintaining that trail going forward as

1:55:32 ↗ well as the initial movement of that

1:55:36 ↗ trail I want to give the comments where

1:55:40 ↗ somebody made where their language had

1:55:42 ↗ that the city would be indemnified from

1:55:44 ↗ the risk of landslides to me give some

1:55:47 ↗ idea that there's risk of landslides

1:55:49 ↗ possibility and I think that if there is

1:55:52 ↗ a perceived risk then until that gets

1:55:55 ↗ considered it shouldn't be simply waved

1:55:58 ↗ aside

1:56:02 ↗ I still have some concerns about the

1:56:04 ↗ previous verses impervious service I'd

1:56:06 ↗ like to see what specific things the

1:56:09 ↗ developer will put in before this gets

1:56:11 ↗ approved by this body and there seem to

1:56:17 ↗ be some other questions as far as when

1:56:19 ↗ that things can be mitigated those

1:56:20 ↗ should be developed and proposed before

1:56:23 ↗ this body approves those pending that

1:56:26 ↗ feedback Thanks final call should close

1:56:37 ↗ public comment portion of this meeting

1:56:40 ↗ and ask the city want to make a comment

1:56:43 ↗ this comment I think this city would

1:56:49 ↗ defer to either the applicant if they

1:56:50 ↗ want to address any of the issues or to

1:56:52 ↗ the Commission if you want to further

1:56:54 ↗ explore any of the comments that were

1:56:56 ↗ raised by the community this evening

1:57:04 ↗ so there were a couple of comments that

1:57:07 ↗ may be a little more exploration for

1:57:09 ↗ information would be helpful to

1:57:11 ↗ understand for the Commission and I

1:57:12 ↗ think for for the public that are here

1:57:15 ↗ this evening a lot of concern obviously

1:57:19 ↗ about traffic and the whole region is

1:57:21 ↗ struggling a bit with traffic we all

1:57:23 ↗ have that experience every day I think

1:57:25 ↗ but the question was just how is the

1:57:28 ↗ traffic count actually determined is

1:57:30 ↗ there a standard that's used or is it

1:57:32 ↗ judgement and maybe a little bit more

1:57:34 ↗ explanation about how the chip

1:57:36 ↗ generation for the project was

1:57:39 ↗ established and that would be helpful

1:57:52 ↗ I've been in four meetings today so bear

1:57:55 ↗ with me as I grab some papers here yes

1:57:57 ↗ yeah yourself once again Michael Reed

1:58:01 ↗ transportation engineering Northwest so

1:58:03 ↗ I'll answer that question two ways one

1:58:05 ↗ is there we have existing count of

1:58:08 ↗ traffic that's on Sunrise and by my

1:58:15 ↗ count if there's 38 single family homes

1:58:18 ↗ downstream and there's 50 ish homes in

1:58:21 ↗ Kelkar E or currently there's got to be

1:58:23 ↗ I think there's some other homes prior

1:58:26 ↗ to that so let's just round it 200 units

1:58:31 ↗ that are various forms that are on

1:58:34 ↗ Sunrise currently right now there's only

1:58:40 ↗ about 50 vehicles in the peak hour that

1:58:42 ↗ use that Street but yet there's a

1:58:45 ↗ hundred home so basically that's a half

1:58:46 ↗ a trip for home currently you know we

1:58:52 ↗ just performed some trip generation

1:58:53 ↗ studies of down some residential units

1:58:56 ↗ in downtown Seattle just to kind of see

1:58:58 ↗ what apartment units were generating in

1:59:01 ↗ downtown because people are building

1:59:03 ↗ still pretty sizable parking garages and

1:59:07 ↗ 200 to 300 plus apartment buildings the

1:59:11 ↗ trip rate for apartment building in

1:59:12 ↗ downtown Seattle is less than 10% of

1:59:17 ↗ units sometimes even less than 5% the

1:59:24 ↗ rates that we actually applied in this

1:59:26 ↗ particular analysis and what traffic

1:59:30 ↗ analysis was done with new information

1:59:32 ↗ we looked at the original traffic

1:59:35 ↗ analysis that was completed for Kelkar E

1:59:39 ↗ and those trips that were associated

1:59:41 ↗ with the additional 126 units that

1:59:45 ↗ comprised phases 2 & 3 took those

1:59:48 ↗ numbers because it was a different type

1:59:50 ↗ of unit at that point and in the context

1:59:54 ↗ of the traffic study it may be different

1:59:57 ↗ in in what was looked at in the

2:00:00 ↗ build-out but there was a specific trip

2:00:02 ↗ generation number and traffic volume

2:00:04 ↗ number

2:00:05 ↗ that was mitigated and paid for back in

2:00:07 ↗ the day and then we used our standard

2:00:11 ↗ ite rates Institute of Transportation

2:00:13 ↗ engineers rates they publish average

2:00:17 ↗ peak trip generation rates for different

2:00:20 ↗ types of land-uses this falls into a

2:00:22 ↗ condominium town host town home land use

2:00:24 ↗ and we applied those rates for the

2:00:26 ↗ proposed seventy two units and took the

2:00:28 ↗ difference so though that's where the

2:00:31 ↗ genesis of the numbers came from and

2:00:33 ↗ also gives you a little bit of context

2:00:35 ↗ of what's actually happening out there

2:00:36 ↗ right now so because there's a mixture

2:00:39 ↗ of single-family homes they're the

2:00:41 ↗ largest trip generator of any

2:00:42 ↗ residential use but yet we have maybe

2:00:46 ↗ half of them are condos out there

2:00:51 ↗ currently we're still on the very low

2:00:53 ↗ end of the trip generation rate given

2:00:55 ↗ that context you took a little bit of

2:00:58 ↗ the work that was done to evaluate the

2:01:01 ↗ existing condition and then you overlaid

2:01:03 ↗ that with a standard essentially yeah we

2:01:07 ↗ I didn't we didn't look we just looked

2:01:09 ↗ at the existing traffic to actually to

2:01:12 ↗ see back whether there was warrants for

2:01:14 ↗ turn lanes whether that was a specific

2:01:16 ↗ request whether there was any other

2:01:19 ↗ traffic issues going on out there

2:01:22 ↗ fifty trips and an hour on a street is

2:01:25 ↗ you can walk across the street without

2:01:28 ↗ much problem that's less than the car a

2:01:30 ↗ minute on average just this is a I don't

2:01:35 ↗ know this is something that you gave any

2:01:37 ↗ thought to where this will come later

2:01:38 ↗ with construction permits but truck

2:01:41 ↗ routes has come up several times in the

2:01:43 ↗ last two public meetings and we've got a

2:01:45 ↗ new condition that's been now proposed

2:01:47 ↗ to add to this amendment so if you take

2:01:53 ↗ away all of the turnaround opportunities

2:01:55 ↗ for the trucks how we going to turn them

2:01:57 ↗ around out there well you know I'm not

2:02:00 ↗ specifically involved in the

2:02:03 ↗ construction staging but typically I was

2:02:05 ↗ just on site today

2:02:06 ↗ you know the contractor realizes that

2:02:09 ↗ he's not going to be storing materials

2:02:11 ↗ he's not going to be laying down

2:02:12 ↗ equipment he's not going to be parking

2:02:15 ↗ his vehicles in

2:02:17 ↗ property that he doesn't have the

2:02:19 ↗ ability to control or operate on so

2:02:22 ↗ they're gonna have to provide for that

2:02:24 ↗ turnaround space on site as they're

2:02:27 ↗ staging the property so you typically go

2:02:29 ↗ from you do masquerading get the site

2:02:32 ↗ prepped and you can start laying down

2:02:35 ↗ stuff in one location first and build

2:02:37 ↗ another one so it's pretty logical you

2:02:40 ↗ know the contractors are used to doing

2:02:41 ↗ that I can see a concern of contractors

2:02:45 ↗ just there

2:02:47 ↗ like a lot of us they want to park right

2:02:49 ↗ in front of their workplace so I can see

2:02:51 ↗ the the need to ensure you know no

2:02:55 ↗ construction parking or equipment

2:02:57 ↗ storage or whatever on Sunrise for sure

2:02:59 ↗ and that's would be a normal condition

2:03:02 ↗ of an any you know building permit or

2:03:04 ↗ right away permit something thanks Keith

2:03:06 ↗ maybe a little more information on

2:03:09 ↗ traffic control regarding truck routes

2:03:13 ↗ etc how does the city deal with that

2:03:15 ↗ during that permitting process

2:03:19 ↗ commissioner before I go there just one

2:03:21 ↗ clarification so sunrise place is a

2:03:24 ↗ public street and the city will likely

2:03:29 ↗ not be regulating contractor parking on

2:03:33 ↗ that street it's public right away they

2:03:36 ↗ have as much right to use it as anybody

2:03:38 ↗ else we may all not like that answer but

2:03:41 ↗ that's the right answer in terms of

2:03:44 ↗ construction traffic so as part of the

2:03:47 ↗ construction pre-con meeting we have the

2:03:51 ↗ ability to unfortunately none of these

2:03:53 ↗ people then the applicant really has a

2:03:57 ↗ say and how all this all this

2:03:59 ↗ fine-grained details going to work so

2:04:01 ↗ what will happen at the pre-construction

2:04:03 ↗ meeting which occurs after we issue the

2:04:05 ↗ permits but before they actually start

2:04:07 ↗ construction is we will talk about this

2:04:09 ↗ condition and how they will achieve the

2:04:13 ↗ intent of this condition so there's

2:04:15 ↗ going to be it'll be a challenge for

2:04:17 ↗ some of the bigger you know the framing

2:04:19 ↗ trucks that come you know maybe the

2:04:22 ↗ concrete pumper you know there's some

2:04:24 ↗ that are gonna have a challenge turning

2:04:26 ↗ around but because you're working on

2:04:28 ↗ both sides of the street it actually

2:04:30 ↗ we forms split have hammerhead with the

2:04:35 ↗ way that the driveways are working so I

2:04:38 ↗ don't see this as being a big concern

2:04:40 ↗ but in terms of deliveries you know this

2:04:43 ↗ is a dead end as was discussed before so

2:04:46 ↗ the truck traffic has only one way in

2:04:48 ↗ and out and that's via a Newport wild

2:04:52 ↗ wood and then sunrise that thanks that's

2:04:56 ↗ helpful

2:04:58 ↗ rich whitener again if I could elaborate

2:05:01 ↗ on the question about the traffic and

2:05:04 ↗ the intersections down the road and

2:05:07 ↗ especially in the comments that were

2:05:08 ↗ last given you know there's there's this

2:05:11 ↗ trip point of which an intersection gets

2:05:13 ↗ warranted for certain improvements but

2:05:16 ↗ long before that and and and that

2:05:18 ↗ actually is a kind of a step curve or

2:05:21 ↗ step but long before that every project

2:05:24 ↗ that comes forward has what's called the

2:05:26 ↗ traffic mitigation fee and those fees

2:05:29 ↗ many of them have already been paid for

2:05:32 ↗ in phase one for many of the impacts in

2:05:36 ↗ Phase two and three so that that money

2:05:39 ↗ was already sent to the city years ago

2:05:41 ↗ in addition there is trip mitigation

2:05:45 ↗ fees that will be paid by this developer

2:05:48 ↗ when the permit is being issued now

2:05:50 ↗ whether those fees are used to affect a

2:05:53 ↗ certain intersection that's really kind

2:05:56 ↗ of a sitting position but I wanted to

2:05:58 ↗ negate the idea that something can

2:06:00 ↗ happen here and not contribute

2:06:05 ↗ thank you and I follow another

2:06:10 ↗ exploration here and again the other

2:06:13 ↗ area that got significant interest and

2:06:17 ↗ questioning was around the geotechnical

2:06:19 ↗ conditions out there and the nature of

2:06:21 ↗ the investigation the standards that

2:06:24 ↗ were used to ensure we have we will have

2:06:26 ↗ a stable site condition with this

2:06:29 ↗ project oh and again the there's some

2:06:35 ↗ confusion about the standards here and

2:06:37 ↗ so there's some engineering basic

2:06:38 ↗ engineering standards that apply that

2:06:40 ↗ are not specific city codes but that

2:06:43 ↗ being said there was obviously studies

2:06:47 ↗ that were done during the development

2:06:50 ↗ for the first phase and and the

2:06:52 ↗ subsequent phase now we're moving this

2:06:54 ↗ forward and you say can you explain a

2:06:56 ↗ little bit more about the nature of the

2:06:58 ↗ investigation and anything about the

2:07:00 ↗ standards that were to pull or apply Ted

2:07:09 ↗ commissioners attach shepper again with

2:07:11 ↗ terror associates with regard to the

2:07:15 ↗ standards the standards that were in

2:07:16 ↗ place in 1999 are the same as they are

2:07:19 ↗ today in terms of the development

2:07:21 ↗ standards the nail stem from the GM a

2:07:25 ↗ back in 1990 in King County came out

2:07:27 ↗ with the standards for steep slopes

2:07:29 ↗ landslides and basically defined a steep

2:07:32 ↗ slope as a 40% grade or steeper if you

2:07:35 ↗ think about a 40% grade that's a two and

2:07:37 ↗ a half to one slope all highway

2:07:38 ↗ embankments are two to one so by

2:07:39 ↗ technically they're they're a steep

2:07:41 ↗ slope the the and the the standards were

2:07:46 ↗ in that as then as they are today in

2:07:49 ↗ King County and it's in the city of

2:07:52 ↗ Issaquah is that any steep slope that

2:07:55 ↗ exceeds a height of 20 feet and you will

2:07:59 ↗ have a 50 foot buffer or if an

2:08:02 ↗ additional 15 foot building setback

2:08:06 ↗ lines so total setback if you will 65

2:08:08 ↗ feet the standards allow you to reduce

2:08:10 ↗ the buffer to 10 feet pending

2:08:13 ↗ geotechnical analysis it demonstrates

2:08:15 ↗ that the reduction in the buffer will

2:08:17 ↗ not result in an increase in a slope and

2:08:20 ↗ stability that could impact the project

2:08:23 ↗ thereby the project impacting this slope

2:08:26 ↗ so those those that's the standard the

2:08:30 ↗ the other standard in particular to this

2:08:32 ↗ case is that there are as an exemption

2:08:35 ↗ with that or an exemption that allows

2:08:38 ↗ you to grade steep slopes that were

2:08:42 ↗ created by previous grading activity so

2:08:44 ↗ on on this particular site there's been

2:08:47 ↗ a lot of activity out here the the phase

2:08:50 ↗ one was built over an old coal tailings

2:08:52 ↗ pile all those buildings are supported

2:08:55 ↗ on piles because the coal tailing of

2:08:56 ↗ heavy buildings and the coal tailings

2:08:58 ↗ went down about 50 feet and that's par

2:09:00 ↗ on the east end as you come back on

2:09:02 ↗ phase two there's this ting fill

2:09:05 ↗ materials some of it related to the coal

2:09:07 ↗ tailings and then what you get back into

2:09:09 ↗ phase 3 phase 3 has actually been

2:09:11 ↗ excavated that was a sand and gravel

2:09:13 ↗ mine where they they mined the the

2:09:16 ↗ outwash sand and gravels and that

2:09:18 ↗ created the steep slope so by virtue of

2:09:20 ↗ the the code allows us to then to go

2:09:22 ↗ into those slopes and regrade them and

2:09:25 ↗ and that's what our intent is to do and

2:09:28 ↗ some of them post grading if they still

2:09:31 ↗ remain had it had a gradient of 40

2:09:33 ↗ percent or steeper and exceed a height

2:09:35 ↗ of 10 feet then they would still be

2:09:39 ↗ subject to the setback requirements

2:09:40 ↗ which we have here we have we're

2:09:43 ↗ maintaining a ten foot buffer

2:09:45 ↗ and a 15 foot building setback line from

2:09:47 ↗ those slopes so again the standards are

2:09:50 ↗ the same we're not done yet

2:09:52 ↗ again this project because of the you

2:09:55 ↗ know recent interest to me know the

2:09:57 ↗ slide that occurred at Alice 9 and then

2:10:00 ↗ also you know with also in the past were

2:10:02 ↗ brought greater attention to the you

2:10:04 ↗ know the concerns with developing and

2:10:06 ↗ steep steep topography the the initial

2:10:12 ↗ critical areas report that we've

2:10:14 ↗ definitely prepared and has been peer

2:10:16 ↗ reviewed by gold or we've reached

2:10:17 ↗ concurrence on that but we're not done

2:10:20 ↗ yet we still have you know I mentioned

2:10:22 ↗ that we wrote a geotechnical engineering

2:10:24 ↗ report in in in 2015 I believe it's

2:10:27 ↗ dated December 2015 we have to update

2:10:30 ↗ that and that updates going to include

2:10:33 ↗ additional stability analysis reflecting

2:10:35 ↗ what the grading plan actually is

2:10:38 ↗ because when we did our original report

2:10:39 ↗ you know they had a conceptual grading

2:10:41 ↗ plan so we applied our analysis to that

2:10:44 ↗ well this thing has gone through several

2:10:46 ↗ generations and iterations if you will

2:10:49 ↗ of configurations and grades and so our

2:10:52 ↗ final geotechnical report will take into

2:10:54 ↗ account what the final grades are going

2:10:56 ↗ to be and we will have additional

2:10:58 ↗ stability analysis probably haven't

2:11:01 ↗ might have to go out and do some

2:11:02 ↗ additional site exploration to confirm

2:11:04 ↗ some geology that then will again be

2:11:06 ↗ peer reviewed by Golder and in

2:11:09 ↗ we'll have a I'm sure a number of

2:11:11 ↗ discussions with him so like again we're

2:11:14 ↗ not done so in your site investigation

2:11:15 ↗ did you do any subsurface sampling or

2:11:19 ↗ anything like yes we did yeah we

2:11:20 ↗ actually drilled 16 tests borings on

2:11:23 ↗ this site plus we had from our previous

2:11:26 ↗ previous exploration work we had I think

2:11:28 ↗ five or six test holes up in this area

2:11:29 ↗ along with a number of test pits so

2:11:31 ↗ we've got it pretty well covered and

2:11:32 ↗ we've walked the slope all the way up to

2:11:34 ↗ the top you mentioned there was a lot of

2:11:36 ↗ water on this side coming out of that

2:11:37 ↗ slope when that there absolutely right

2:11:39 ↗ there's a lot of water coming out of

2:11:40 ↗ that slope and we've got designs to

2:11:42 ↗ control that so that it does not result

2:11:45 ↗ in any impacts thank you I think they

2:11:49 ↗ had one thing so there was a lot of

2:11:51 ↗ covers comment about the city's

2:11:54 ↗ requirement for indemnification so it's

2:11:59 ↗ standard practice by the city to require

2:12:02 ↗ an indemnification on property that has

2:12:07 ↗ that is in a modified steep slope

2:12:10 ↗ there's really two reasons for that

2:12:12 ↗ obviously one is to try and keep the

2:12:15 ↗ city out of lawsuits but the second is

2:12:18 ↗ to provide an additional piece of

2:12:23 ↗ information for people buying houses

2:12:25 ↗ because you go out there to this

2:12:27 ↗ property when it's done you may never

2:12:30 ↗ know that there was a graded steep slope

2:12:32 ↗ underneath the house that you're buying

2:12:35 ↗ so that indemnity becomes now part of

2:12:38 ↗ the closing documents that you have and

2:12:41 ↗ it's something that gives buyers a

2:12:44 ↗ little bit better information before

2:12:46 ↗ they potentially buy a unit

2:12:52 ↗ mr. chairman I had a clarification I

2:12:54 ↗ think I misspoke a little earlier if I

2:12:55 ↗ might when I'm talking about traffic

2:12:57 ↗ mitigation what I said about people

2:12:59 ↗ every project contributing to a

2:13:01 ↗ mitigation fee that part is is accurate

2:13:04 ↗ where I was inaccurate was I've now been

2:13:08 ↗ reminded that for traffic mitigation

2:13:11 ↗ fees on phases one two and three have

2:13:14 ↗ already been paid and no show on page

2:13:17 ↗ the condition one page 42 in the latest

2:13:20 ↗ staff report I just wanted to build on

2:13:25 ↗ Commissioner Brennan's question a little

2:13:27 ↗ bit about steep slopes and and you may

2:13:32 ↗ not be here yet and this may be a

2:13:34 ↗ question for you so sorry if you have to

2:13:36 ↗ come back up can you just speak a little

2:13:39 ↗ bit to the construction methodology how

2:13:41 ↗ are these foundations being constructed

2:13:44 ↗ and how are the retaining walls being

2:13:46 ↗ constructed in terms of our using pin

2:13:49 ↗ piles are you doing a stacked wall are

2:13:54 ↗ those required and and possibly that's

2:13:57 ↗ more of a question for structural no I'd

2:13:59 ↗ be the question for me no the like I

2:14:03 ↗ said we went out and completed a fairly

2:14:06 ↗ extensive additional exploration work in

2:14:09 ↗ terms of 16 tests borings throughout the

2:14:12 ↗ site because we knew there was fill on

2:14:13 ↗ the site so that was a concern because

2:14:14 ↗ our original recommendations for Kelkar

2:14:17 ↗ ii particularly with the big buildings

2:14:19 ↗ was and heavy loads with existing fill

2:14:22 ↗ materials typically there'd be a risk of

2:14:26 ↗ settlement of those buildings if they

2:14:28 ↗ were sitting on conventional spread

2:14:29 ↗ footing foundations so those those

2:14:31 ↗ recommendations were to put those big

2:14:32 ↗ buildings on piles and the additional

2:14:36 ↗ exploration work that we did out there

2:14:38 ↗ demonstrated that the fill material is

2:14:40 ↗ in is in pretty decent shape and these

2:14:42 ↗ are like townhome wood-frame structures

2:14:44 ↗ so they don't wail heck of a lot and so

2:14:46 ↗ our intention there is that these

2:14:48 ↗ buildings will be supported on spread

2:14:51 ↗ footings conventional spread footings

2:14:52 ↗ which won't be a problem the retaining

2:14:56 ↗ walls themselves on the the walls that

2:14:59 ↗ are gonna be along the the west side of

2:15:01 ↗ Phase three two of those walls will be

2:15:04 ↗ Soldier pile walls

2:15:05 ↗ because we don't have the ability to cut

2:15:06 ↗ back in and lay back to slope into the

2:15:08 ↗ hillside so those will be soldier pile

2:15:10 ↗ walls basically they'll come in they'll

2:15:12 ↗ drill shafts insert a beam concrete and

2:15:17 ↗ then as they excavate they'll leg it and

2:15:20 ↗ so you support the toe of the hillside

2:15:22 ↗ as the excavation is going on so that it

2:15:26 ↗ will be done there the other walls on

2:15:28 ↗ site will be reinforced earth fill

2:15:33 ↗ whether we use geo grids we use

2:15:36 ↗ reinforced to fill behind the wall and

2:15:38 ↗ then we'll have either rock refacing or

2:15:42 ↗ some other segmental wall facing like

2:15:45 ↗ the Lock and Load and some of the things

2:15:46 ↗ keystone that are pretty common that you

2:15:48 ↗ see around here so those are those walls

2:15:50 ↗ then all the filming of the slopes that

2:15:52 ↗ are going to be regraded will be

2:15:54 ↗ regraded to engineering standards I'll

2:15:56 ↗ fill materials if there's a if there's a

2:15:57 ↗ steep slope that's exceeding that say

2:15:59 ↗ for example a slope that's 20% or

2:16:01 ↗ steeper we bench and cut into that

2:16:04 ↗ hillside to make sure the fill materials

2:16:06 ↗ that are placed over that are locked in

2:16:08 ↗ with that existing slow drainage is

2:16:10 ↗ installed to make sure that we don't

2:16:12 ↗ have any block off any subsurface

2:16:14 ↗ drainage from backside cuz when that

2:16:16 ↗ happens if you block it off you can have

2:16:18 ↗ a blowout you know because the pressures

2:16:20 ↗ build up behind it so that'll be all

2:16:23 ↗ those fields we placed and compacted in

2:16:24 ↗ engineered manner and and then once

2:16:27 ↗ everything is all said and done if

2:16:28 ↗ there's a remaining slope that is 40

2:16:31 ↗ percent or greater or from a retaining

2:16:32 ↗ wall there's a setback from that with

2:16:35 ↗ the building construction okay thank you

2:16:40 ↗ yeah just a follow-up question and

2:16:43 ↗ that's for Richard now when you when you

2:16:45 ↗ talk about soldier walls and retaining

2:16:47 ↗ walls you put it in I mean it's it's

2:16:51 ↗ really nice is that are you just gonna

2:16:53 ↗ leave it the way it is or this retreat

2:16:55 ↗ covers it excuse me I wanted to stand up

2:16:59 ↗ here and say after Ted is done and his

2:17:01 ↗ crews done then Nick comes in our

2:17:04 ↗ landscape architect and he addresses

2:17:07 ↗ exactly how we're going to landscape the

2:17:09 ↗ faces of these whether they be rock

2:17:11 ↗ walls or block walls or soldier piles

2:17:14 ↗ and all that's in in the record and in

2:17:17 ↗ the application okay thank you thank you

2:17:23 ↗ one more question / comment and this is

2:17:26 ↗ for staff for Steve Pfeffer key so there

2:17:29 ↗ are lots of concern obviously about

2:17:31 ↗ traffic and particularly down at the

2:17:33 ↗ intersection of Wildwood and Newports

2:17:36 ↗ way and kind of what's happening along

2:17:37 ↗ Newports way and we've heard that in

2:17:39 ↗ other projects that we've we've had in

2:17:41 ↗ front of us and can you talk a little

2:17:43 ↗ bit about what the city is doing to

2:17:45 ↗ respond to the community concerns and

2:17:47 ↗ then how people can get engaged because

2:17:50 ↗ what's happening there is a little

2:17:51 ↗ outside of the scope of what we're able

2:17:54 ↗ to deal with directly here but I know

2:17:56 ↗ the city is paying attention to that

2:17:58 ↗ issue and trying to find ways to respond

2:18:00 ↗ so we are so right now Newport has been

2:18:05 ↗ identified as one of a number of streets

2:18:09 ↗ in the city that is maybe overdue for

2:18:12 ↗ some attention and so the city is moving

2:18:16 ↗ forward with kind of a planning effort

2:18:19 ↗ to do a corridor study really in two

2:18:23 ↗ parts and think about SR 900 is the

2:18:26 ↗ split point so one is a west part from

2:18:29 ↗ SR 900 towards Bellevue and then the

2:18:31 ↗ other is from SR 900 south and so the

2:18:37 ↗ you know ultimately the vision for

2:18:40 ↗ Newport is going to include the addition

2:18:43 ↗ of some roundabouts

2:18:44 ↗ to help facilitate traffic movement I

2:18:47 ↗ know that once you get to the south end

2:18:51 ↗ of town we're really dealing with issues

2:18:55 ↗ of regional traffic on Newports front

2:19:00 ↗ street and sunset it's it's all the

2:19:04 ↗ traffic heading

2:19:06 ↗ wanting to use his quoi hope our road

2:19:09 ↗ and work its way down to Maple Valley

2:19:12 ↗ and ultimately black diamond the city is

2:19:17 ↗ also working with King County right now

2:19:20 ↗ REE looking at kind of Issaquah Hobart

2:19:23 ↗ Road and whether there's opportunities

2:19:25 ↗ to help facilitate the bottleneck that

2:19:27 ↗ right now is kind of choking the south

2:19:29 ↗ end of town what I would say is anybody

2:19:33 ↗ interested in having a conversation with

2:19:37 ↗ the city's traffic engineer Curt seaman

2:19:40 ↗ with Public Works engineering would be

2:19:42 ↗ the right person for you to engage in a

2:19:44 ↗ conversation about Newport on I'm not

2:19:47 ↗ qualified but I have a card and if you

2:19:50 ↗ want to email me I can send you Curt's

2:19:52 ↗ contact information and you also

2:19:55 ↗ mentioned I believe in the last meeting

2:19:56 ↗ that the council the City Council's

2:19:59 ↗ recently appointed a traffic advisory

2:20:03 ↗ board they formed one they actually

2:20:05 ↗ haven't been appointed yet so anybody

2:20:07 ↗ interested in serving on the city's

2:20:10 ↗ newly formed traffic advisory board

2:20:13 ↗ those positions will be advertised along

2:20:17 ↗ with all the other boards and

2:20:18 ↗ commissions at at the beginning of

2:20:20 ↗ January thanks that's cool

2:20:25 ↗ I'm gonna pay some interest in

2:20:27 ↗ Development Commission other comments

2:20:29 ↗ questions concerns I guess I'd like to

2:20:34 ↗ internally get people's thoughts about

2:20:36 ↗ the sidewalk and mr. Wagner could pull

2:20:39 ↗ up a site plan i i like sidewalks i need

2:20:46 ↗ to be able to walk on sidewalks on the

2:20:47 ↗ other hand I don't like creating more

2:20:50 ↗ impervious surface than is needed I can

2:20:53 ↗ understand the staffs position and

2:20:55 ↗ wanting to have something that does

2:20:57 ↗ connect to the street so I just want to

2:21:00 ↗ be clear you're welcome to have this

2:21:02 ↗ conversation the removal of a sidewalk

2:21:05 ↗ on a street is an AAS process which

2:21:09 ↗ would be probably outside of this

2:21:11 ↗ conversation and the applicant would be

2:21:13 ↗ able to make that application the reason

2:21:17 ↗ why there's a condition in the staff

2:21:18 ↗ report now is their plans don't show

2:21:20 ↗ that sidewalk so staff was being clear

2:21:24 ↗ that that needs to be there unless

2:21:27 ↗ there's a separate a as to remove it it

2:21:29 ↗ has to have a sidewalk on both sides of

2:21:31 ↗ an internal street all streets in the

2:21:34 ↗ city currently have sidewalks on both

2:21:36 ↗ sides including internal private streets

2:21:39 ↗ we don't treat private streets any

2:21:41 ↗ differently than we treat public streets

2:21:45 ↗ in other words you're saying it's a moot

2:21:47 ↗ point for I'm saying that you guys can

2:21:49 ↗ have a conversation I would love that

2:21:51 ↗ input as the decision maker of

2:21:53 ↗ potentially a request to remove a piece

2:21:56 ↗ of sidewalk from a street so if you guys

2:21:58 ↗ want to deliberate on that I would love

2:21:59 ↗ that input and I would actually consider

2:22:01 ↗ it as part of the decision that helps

2:22:04 ↗ thank you sure so the again my concern

2:22:07 ↗ is that that somebody the units on the

2:22:10 ↗ bottom in there that would be walking

2:22:13 ↗ down that street to get to sunrise

2:22:17 ↗ there's no sidewalk on the west side of

2:22:22 ↗ sunrise on the bottom side of sunrise so

2:22:24 ↗ they're not

2:22:24 ↗ necking into there it would be having to

2:22:27 ↗ cross sunrise somewhere and I always

2:22:30 ↗ think if it's me I'm going to take the

2:22:32 ↗ most direct path and if I met the end

2:22:34 ↗ units at the bottom slightly below rich

2:22:38 ↗ to the right there if I come to there

2:22:41 ↗ instead of going around a sidewalk I'm

2:22:44 ↗ gonna go straight across oh it's not

2:22:49 ↗ because you're lazy he's being smart

2:22:53 ↗ it's gonna take this short that's right

2:22:55 ↗ I'm smart and late yeah yeah I take the

2:22:57 ↗ same route head over there and then just

2:23:00 ↗ cross when I do the other corner the

2:23:09 ↗ friend depends if you have a bike with a

2:23:12 ↗ little kid on it you wanna be able to

2:23:13 ↗ just jump and cross or if you have a

2:23:16 ↗ stroller it's a little bit more

2:23:17 ↗ complicated too if you're doing this as

2:23:20 ↗ a pedestrian you are but if you have

2:23:22 ↗ little kids with you in strollers which

2:23:24 ↗ I'm pretty sure there will be plenty

2:23:25 ↗ it's gonna be complicated so people will

2:23:27 ↗ take the long route which I currently

2:23:29 ↗ think don't still have to cross the

2:23:32 ↗ street but where they have the crosswalk

2:23:35 ↗ they'll have to dip of the actual

2:23:36 ↗ crosswalk and they won't be going above

2:23:38 ↗ and under the curb yeah I was at the end

2:23:41 ↗ of the buildings where there's a

2:23:43 ↗ crosswalk in front of the buildings it

2:23:46 ↗ would come down if it didn't there would

2:23:50 ↗ come down right there was a dip to the

2:23:52 ↗ street level oh if the sidewalk ended

2:23:54 ↗ here yeah actually in our current

2:23:56 ↗ proposal if I go back up here there is a

2:23:58 ↗ concrete crosswalk here which obviously

2:24:02 ↗ it would not serve these last four units

2:24:04 ↗ but the intent was to bring people down

2:24:07 ↗ this sidewalk or and cross here and then

2:24:11 ↗ down in the initial proposal

2:24:20 ↗ so about this way on this really quick I

2:24:24 ↗ actually it's always a balance alright

2:24:27 ↗ because we're trying to minimize the

2:24:29 ↗ footprint and impervious area at the

2:24:32 ↗ same time we want to have something

2:24:34 ↗ that's attractive and convenient for the

2:24:36 ↗ people who live there in this particular

2:24:39 ↗ instance sense where people are going to

2:24:41 ↗ travel is going to be up up sunset it

2:24:47 ↗ doesn't seem to me that that that extra

2:24:53 ↗ segment of sidewalk is going to serve a

2:24:55 ↗ lot of benefit other than creating

2:24:58 ↗ impervious area if you create a

2:24:59 ↗ transition at the end of the sidewalk

2:25:02 ↗ where some of you with a stroller can

2:25:04 ↗ now cross over and then enter the

2:25:06 ↗ sidewalk on the other other side but

2:25:08 ↗ without a curb cut I tend to agree I

2:25:11 ↗ think if you've got a stroll or hop in

2:25:13 ↗ curbs and stuff is a little bit

2:25:15 ↗ challenging particular on is slope so if

2:25:20 ↗ there's not a solution that provides

2:25:22 ↗ that kind of convenience for the

2:25:25 ↗ multiple conditions

2:25:26 ↗ pedestrians might be dealing with like

2:25:28 ↗ strollers and bikes then you need the

2:25:32 ↗ crosswalk on both sides of the curve cut

2:25:33 ↗ up at the intersection which would be

2:25:36 ↗ the typical design of a sidewalk in Road

2:25:44 ↗ that helped so if you know there was

2:25:53 ↗ definitely a maybe thoughts there I

2:25:56 ↗ would say if the applicant wants to

2:25:58 ↗ request the removal of a sidewalk I will

2:26:00 ↗ try to incorporate this conversation

2:26:02 ↗ into that decision and that's on the

2:26:04 ↗ record we can certainly address that

2:26:12 ↗ later unless he we're looking for a

2:26:15 ↗ conclusion - no no I'm okay

2:26:17 ↗ given what peace provided on I think

2:26:19 ↗ that we handled through a separate

2:26:20 ↗ process thank you

2:26:22 ↗ yeah we'll work with you yes so other

2:26:27 ↗ comments concerns issues that need to be

2:26:30 ↗ discussed

2:26:42 ↗ just went quick I mean we've got a

2:26:45 ↗ significant amount of information in

2:26:47 ↗ front of us now that we've had a chance

2:26:48 ↗ to questions are there any gaps of

2:26:52 ↗ information that we need to fill here

2:26:54 ↗ and and I just from my perspective I

2:26:56 ↗ think I have the information that I need

2:26:59 ↗ to get to a decision I don't know if the

2:27:02 ↗ other commissioners are in that place

2:27:03 ↗ this evening but I would like to hear

2:27:06 ↗ that and if we are and we feel like

2:27:08 ↗ we've got the answers to the questions

2:27:10 ↗ and were satisfied with the design and I

2:27:13 ↗ would suggest we advance the project so

2:27:15 ↗ and move toward a motion if we're

2:27:17 ↗ comfortable and and I want to if I make

2:27:21 ↗ Michener's sorry I'm a little slow

2:27:22 ↗ tonight I've been in this room too much

2:27:24 ↗ this week there was one other comment

2:27:27 ↗ earlier that I'd like to actually spend

2:27:29 ↗ just a minute on and that's construction

2:27:31 ↗ noise and impacts and ours so what I

2:27:34 ↗ would say is and and staffs you know the

2:27:38 ↗ comment earlier was or the response

2:27:40 ↗ maybe was a little bit briefer than it

2:27:42 ↗ needed to be so the city just went

2:27:44 ↗ through a process of updating our

2:27:47 ↗ off-hours construction practices and

2:27:49 ↗ right now it used to be fairly typical

2:27:53 ↗ for contractors to ask to work on

2:27:56 ↗ Saturdays for contractors to work till 7

2:28:00 ↗ or 8 o'clock at night because during the

2:28:02 ↗ summertime when the sun's out you know

2:28:04 ↗ trying to squeeze every hour they can

2:28:05 ↗ out of the work day and so what was

2:28:08 ↗ clear to us is especially as some of

2:28:11 ↗ these new projects started to get built

2:28:13 ↗ adjacent to existing neighborhoods is

2:28:15 ↗ that our neighbors were taking the short

2:28:19 ↗ end of the stick and they needed to

2:28:21 ↗ actually we needed to rebalance that so

2:28:23 ↗ so right now basically our construction

2:28:30 ↗ off-hours construction code would say

2:28:33 ↗ they cannot work on Saturday period

2:28:36 ↗ unless they get concurrence from the

2:28:39 ↗ existing neighborhood so if they want to

2:28:42 ↗ work on a Saturday they're gonna come

2:28:43 ↗ have to ask re phase one and foothills

2:28:46 ↗ if it's within a certain distance of the

2:28:50 ↗ construction hours because you know

2:28:52 ↗ people just get saturated with no

2:28:54 ↗ and being inconvenienced and dust and

2:28:56 ↗ everything else so there's also that

2:28:59 ↗ kind of going beyond the normal

2:29:03 ↗ construction hours is also something

2:29:05 ↗ when you're in a residential area is

2:29:07 ↗ likely not going to get approved we've

2:29:09 ↗ also changed our notification to where

2:29:13 ↗ now we are moving towards requiring a

2:29:17 ↗ project sign so there will be a project

2:29:20 ↗ sign out on Sunrise that will not only

2:29:23 ↗ identify who to contact from the

2:29:26 ↗ contractor to the property owner if

2:29:29 ↗ there is so if they're coming in with

2:29:31 ↗ their dump trucks at 6:00 a.m. because

2:29:34 ↗ they got there early there's not only

2:29:37 ↗ city dispatch that you can call to

2:29:39 ↗ complain but you can also call the

2:29:41 ↗ contractors contact number as well as

2:29:44 ↗ the property owner

2:29:46 ↗ we also are providing kind of updates on

2:29:51 ↗ a monthly basis so that you guys can

2:29:53 ↗ come and see what do they expect to get

2:29:55 ↗ done that month you know maybe it's it's

2:29:57 ↗ working only on Phase two or maybe it's

2:29:59 ↗ doing foundations on Phase three but

2:30:01 ↗ going framing on Phase two that just

2:30:04 ↗ helps get the information out and so the

2:30:06 ↗ city's doing a lot to help with

2:30:08 ↗ communicating those construction impacts

2:30:11 ↗ to neighbors and so hopefully that's at

2:30:13 ↗ least a little bit of solace knowing

2:30:15 ↗ that you will you'll hear the noise

2:30:18 ↗ you're gonna not like the dust and the

2:30:21 ↗ inconvenience but hopefully we'll keep

2:30:23 ↗ that as minimal as we can so I just want

2:30:26 ↗ to put that on the record

2:30:32 ↗ so let me clarify that so no work on

2:30:35 ↗ Saturdays and Sundays you said Saturday

2:30:39 ↗ yeah no work on Sundays no work on

2:30:41 ↗ holidays the city does Saturdays on a

2:30:44 ↗ case-by-case basis and if they're

2:30:46 ↗ adjacent to a residential neighborhood

2:30:49 ↗ we basically ask them to get the

2:30:52 ↗ homeowners association to authorize it

2:30:55 ↗ before we'll give them approval to do

2:30:56 ↗ that so it puts the power really and it

2:31:00 ↗ helps that both the developer want to be

2:31:04 ↗ good neighbors with because they

2:31:07 ↗ actually hold some power over them if

2:31:09 ↗ they want to work on Saturdays or beyond

2:31:10 ↗ the normal curfew time during the week

2:31:13 ↗ and on weekdays what time today I

2:31:15 ↗ believe on weekdays right now we're at

2:31:18 ↗ breather at 6:00 or 7:00 I can't

2:31:21 ↗ remember which might have been seven I

2:31:23 ↗ think we I think we dialed it back to

2:31:24 ↗ six but I don't know for sure early and

2:31:27 ↗ 6:00 p.m. is every time did you say and

2:31:30 ↗ they're beginning the beginning of noon

2:31:32 ↗ and is end it's right now it's 7:00 a.m.

2:31:36 ↗ to 6:00 p.m. 6:00 p.m.

2:31:38 ↗ 7:00 to 6:00 okay and the intent of 7:00

2:31:41 ↗ is they don't arrive on-site till 7:00

2:31:44 ↗ so that's why sometimes you'll see

2:31:47 ↗ contractors hanging out on i-90 on the

2:31:49 ↗ off-ramp waiting for it to turn seven

2:31:51 ↗ o'clock if you're driving during that

2:31:52 ↗ time at least I do okay thank you

2:31:56 ↗ yep

2:32:00 ↗ other concerns we move towards emotion

2:32:06 ↗ emotion if be hard for me to read it

2:32:17 ↗ from here

2:32:19 ↗ so I

2:32:21 ↗ I'll do is I'll just make this motion on

2:32:24 ↗ the screen instead of reading it so can

2:32:26 ↗ we just add this emotion to the record

2:32:28 ↗ which read it I'll read it mr. chair I

2:32:35 ↗ move that the Development Commission

2:32:37 ↗ approve the administrative site

2:32:38 ↗ development permit ASDP 16s zero zero

2:32:42 ↗ zero zero four master site plan

2:32:45 ↗ amendment MSP a 16-0 zero zero zero one

2:32:50 ↗ and binding site plan amendment the bps

2:32:53 ↗ be SP 16 zero zero zero zero one Phillip

2:32:59 ↗ four Kelkar e phase two and three as

2:33:01 ↗ described and evaluated in the amended

2:33:04 ↗ staff report dated 18th of August 2017

2:33:08 ↗ with attachments one through six and

2:33:12 ↗ project drawings and reports the

2:33:14 ↗ briefing response memo dated September 7

2:33:17 ↗ September 14 2017 the clarification of

2:33:21 ↗ condition each relating to stormwater

2:33:23 ↗ the revision to kids the condition and

2:33:26 ↗ adding first place to the condition and

2:33:28 ↗ subject to the conditions therein as

2:33:30 ↗ amended tonight second

2:33:36 ↗ any discussion further discussion but

2:33:40 ↗ remote we can only have seven votes so

2:33:43 ↗ Commissioner Sanford I'd appreciate if

2:33:45 ↗ you would have vote appreciate your

2:33:46 ↗ comments but so all those in favor of

2:33:49 ↗ the motion say aye aye

2:33:51 ↗ all those opposed and I move that the

2:34:07 ↗ Development Commission direct the

2:34:08 ↗ development services department to

2:34:10 ↗ prepare findings of fact and conclusions

2:34:12 ↗ for review and approval by the

2:34:14 ↗ development Commission Chairman

2:34:15 ↗ affirming the development Commission's

2:34:17 ↗ decision to approve that Kelkar a phase

2:34:19 ↗ 2 & 3 project file number a SDP 16000

2:34:24 ↗ zero for MSP a 16-2 zero zero zero zero

2:34:29 ↗ 1 and b SP 16-2 zero zero zero zero one

2:34:34 ↗ subject to the conditions listed in the

2:34:36 ↗ staff report dated 18th of August 2017

2:34:39 ↗ with attachments one through six and

2:34:41 ↗ project drawings and reports the

2:34:43 ↗ briefing response mammal dated September

2:34:46 ↗ 14 2017 and the clarification of

2:34:49 ↗ condition age relating to stormwater the

2:34:51 ↗ revision to condition in and adding

2:34:53 ↗ first place to the condition and subject

2:34:56 ↗ to the conditions therein has amended

2:34:58 ↗ tonight second further discussion

2:35:07 ↗ all those in favor of the motion when

2:35:10 ↗ you say aye

2:35:12 ↗ all those opposed all right it's again

2:35:16 ↗ the motion carries so I think we do

2:35:22 ↗ appreciate the input from the from the

2:35:25 ↗ public it's a it's part of the political

2:35:28 ↗ process and it's essential

2:35:30 ↗ don't give up on us we really do

2:35:33 ↗ appreciate your input and so with no

2:35:36 ↗ further ado let's end the meeting

2:35:56 ↗ you

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Attendance

Council / Members (8)

Richard SOWA

Melvin MORGAN

Michael BRENNAN

Ray LEONG

Robert BAKH

Richard SANFORD

Jasmina MIHOVA

Kevin PRICE

Staff (3)

Keith Niven, Director

Sherry Smith, Recording Secretary

Daniel Martinez, City Planner

Excused

Randolph HARRISON

Guests (12)

David MacDuff – IS Property Investments

Rich Wagner, Baylis Brand Wagner Architects

Ted Schepper – Terra Associates

Jim Olsen, Corp Design

Linda Springman, Resident

Tom McDonald, Resident

Pat Duke, Resident

JoAnn VanDeursen, Resident

Skip Rowley, Project Property Owner

Diedre Widen, Resident

Steve Pereira, Resident

Richard Kindall

Recommendations & actions (11)

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The applicant has agreed to work with the City on potential solutions to these concerns.
This is an application to approve a minor amendment to an already approved project.
a) Development Commission Page 3 of 10 September 20, 2017 Wagner showed the original site plan that was previously approved.
Retaining walls have dropped off by 11 percent of what was originally approved.
SOWA – Requested an explanation regarding the Traffic Signal Michael Reed Transportation Engineering NW - POB 65254 Seattle, WA 98155 Signal warrants – They adhere to the MUTCD manual as do all federal, local and state…
PRICE – The existing trail that is being moved 15 feet, and reconstruction of a stair – does that connect to a trail across the street?
Maybe that should be part of the consideration of how you would mitigate the traffic that’s already reported to be bad and how development gets improved or not approved based on the cumulative effect and crunch points…
He’d like to see the specific things the developer will put in before it gets approved by the Commission.
Removal of a sidewalk from an approved street section is accomplished through an Administrative Adjustment of Standards (AAS).
BRENNAN moved to advance the project.
Going beyond normal hours will likely not get approved.