Development Commission · Wednesday, September 20, 2017 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

Development Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission reviews all land Christopher Wright, use actions requiring a Level 3 review. The Project Oversight Manager Commission further serves as an advisory board to Email the City Council on land use actions requiring council approval (Level 5 review). Regular Members 2018 – Jasmina Mihova The appearance of fairness doctrine prohibits 2018 – Raymond Leong Development Commission members and City 2018 – Richard Sowa Council members from discussing the merit of 2019 – Michael Brennan specific land use development applications outside 2019 – Randolph Harrison of the formal public meeting process. Citizens, 2020 – Melvin Morgan however, may discuss any issue with the City's 2020 – Kevin Price Development Services Department. Written comments are also welcome. Alternate Members 2018 – Robert Bakh Membership 2018 – Carl…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of September 6, 2017

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3. AGENDA ITEMS

Public Hearing Proposed Permit Amendments for Kelkari Phase 2 & 3

Keith Niven, Development Services Director Dave MacDuff, Applicant · packet pp.15–36

Topics: Land Use

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0:21 ↗ there we go okay welcome everybody

0:25 ↗ ladies and gentlemen to the public

0:27 ↗ hearing for the proposed permit

0:29 ↗ amendments for calc re phases two and

0:32 ↗ three we'll have a presentation by the

0:36 ↗ development services director Keith

0:37 ↗ Niven and then probably some discussion

0:39 ↗ from the applicant and then we'll open

0:41 ↗ up the discussion for some public

0:43 ↗ comments and we're looking forward to

0:45 ↗ that we really really do appreciate the

0:48 ↗ public turning out coming out and

0:50 ↗ offering their comments so please feel

0:53 ↗ bold when you talk and and make sure if

0:55 ↗ you'd like to speak that you sign in so

0:57 ↗ we can keep track of that we have some

1:00 ↗ administrative business first we want to

1:02 ↗ approve our minutes from our September

1:05 ↗ 6th meeting and so I'll ask the

1:09 ↗ commissioners does anybody have a motion

1:13 ↗ about the minutes mr. chair

1:18 ↗ real quick before we move approval I do

1:20 ↗ have an amendment minor minor member to

1:24 ↗ page 9 of 10 of the minutes under

1:27 ↗ Brennan the word medium should be median

1:33 ↗ so removal of median and trees which was

1:36 ↗ the other than that mr. chair I move

1:41 ↗ approval of the September 6 meeting

1:43 ↗ minutes second can I hold you guys off

1:47 ↗ for a second

1:48 ↗ I believe the staff noticed something in

1:51 ↗ the minutes I don't believe that Robert

1:54 ↗ Bach or Carl Swedberg were at the last

1:57 ↗ meeting it's crazy so they should their

1:59 ↗ name should be stricken as far as

2:01 ↗ members present on page 5 of 30

2:09 ↗ if you say so this last meeting was not

2:16 ↗ there where Andy Harris was not there

2:18 ↗ last okay you see great with those

2:24 ↗ amendments mr. chair I'd move approval

2:25 ↗ the meeting minutes second any

2:29 ↗ discussion further discussion all those

2:32 ↗ in favor say aye aye all opposed

2:36 ↗ motion is carried so so I'm going to

2:42 ↗ turn over the steering wheel to Dan

2:45 ↗ Martinez a new planner for development

2:48 ↗ services and he's going to lead us

2:52 ↗ through this conversation this evening

3:01 ↗ so good evening commissioners thank you

3:06 ↗ for your service and for being here

3:09 ↗ tonight and I'm sorry is this is better

3:14 ↗ here all right great thank you for

3:16 ↗ letting me know and I again want to

3:19 ↗ think that the public your your input is

3:22 ↗ very much appreciated so we're here for

3:25 ↗ the second meeting of the Cal khari

3:29 ↗ phases two and three the first thing

3:36 ↗ that we want to address is the briefing

3:39 ↗ response memo that was written regarding

3:45 ↗ the comments and concerns that we

3:48 ↗ received at the last meeting on

3:50 ↗ September 6th now I actually want to

3:55 ↗ give the commissioners the option of I'm

3:58 ↗ happy to go through each of the issues

4:01 ↗ and discuss staffs first and the

4:05 ↗ applicants response or I can just leave

4:09 ↗ it open to two questions that you may

4:12 ↗ have about particular issues

4:17 ↗ my my excuse my ignorance is this public

4:21 ↗ document so the people the people that

4:23 ↗ have made comments would have the chance

4:24 ↗ to read those that response yes that

4:27 ↗ that response is available on the

4:31 ↗ website now and is it is part of the

4:36 ↗ packet that that was issued for tonight

4:39 ↗ and so for those who signed up last

4:41 ↗ meeting this my understanding is as this

4:44 ↗ packet went out to all of them remember

4:46 ↗ that was part of the request to go ahead

4:48 ↗ and sign up even if they weren't going

4:49 ↗ to speak so that they could get a copy

4:51 ↗ of the briefing response memo so my hope

4:53 ↗ is that anyone who was here last time

4:55 ↗ got a copy of this in advance of

4:58 ↗ tonight's meeting and if not please let

4:59 ↗ us know I I do have additional copies if

5:04 ↗ anybody it any of the commissioners or

5:08 ↗ members of the public would would like

5:10 ↗ one great yeah the applicants gonna make

5:15 ↗ a presentation is it yeah so first we're

5:17 ↗ gonna go through the briefing response

5:19 ↗ memo then the applicants gonna make a

5:20 ↗ presentation then I assume you guys will

5:23 ↗ open it up for additional public

5:24 ↗ comments okay

5:27 ↗ mr. chair question on the staff report

5:35 ↗ and the application and the response

5:36 ↗ that we received it was very well put

5:40 ↗ together I do have a question on page 7

5:43 ↗ of 22 on or either page 21 of 36 under

5:50 ↗ the traffic issue on the last paragraph

5:56 ↗ prepared by the staff this is there's no

5:59 ↗ plan to install a signal light

6:03 ↗ Wildwood and sunset can you expand on

6:06 ↗ that a little bit so there was an issue

6:11 ↗ raised both in email and at the last

6:16 ↗ meeting with regards to an idea that had

6:22 ↗ been floated around I'm unaware as to

6:26 ↗ whether that idea came from staff the

6:29 ↗ applicant or if it was just floated

6:31 ↗ around and in the neighborhood but that

6:35 ↗ there would be a traffic signal

6:37 ↗ installed at Wildwood and sunrise and

6:41 ↗ there there were some concerns about

6:43 ↗ that folks didn't feel that it was

6:46 ↗ necessary staff concurs with that and

6:52 ↗ our traffic engineers have determined

6:57 ↗ that it does not meet the criteria for

7:00 ↗ requiring a signal which is why that's

7:05 ↗ in there so there are no plans to

7:07 ↗ install a signal at Wildwood and sunrise

7:10 ↗ the criteria is that of the mod model

7:14 ↗ that we talked about this is where they

7:19 ↗ cross sunrise sunrise and Wildwood so

7:29 ↗ the traffic warrants for a signal

7:31 ↗ installation I'm not a traffic engineer

7:35 ↗ so I'll share my knowledge there's

7:38 ↗ there's a number of warrants that need

7:40 ↗ to be met some have to do with safety

7:43 ↗ and others have to do with delay so for

7:47 ↗ example you know if if you have to wait

7:52 ↗ so long at an intersection to get out

7:55 ↗ because there's no gaps in the queue you

7:58 ↗ could make a decision that might be a

8:00 ↗ poor decision which would then likely

8:03 ↗ lead to a traffic accident all right so

8:06 ↗ that's a that's a delay issue that can

8:08 ↗ result in a safety concern which could

8:11 ↗ then generate the need for the

8:12 ↗ installation of a traffic light based on

8:15 ↗ the volumes

8:16 ↗ at this intersection of Wildwood and

8:19 ↗ sunrise they're not enough trips going

8:22 ↗ through this intersection to warrant the

8:24 ↗ installation of a traffic light and so

8:26 ↗ therefore because it doesn't meet the

8:28 ↗ warrants you don't put one in because

8:31 ↗ where you put a traffic light in where

8:33 ↗ it's not warranted then people tend to

8:35 ↗ also make bad decisions at those type of

8:38 ↗ intersections so that's the that's the

8:41 ↗ guiding principles yeah correct me if

8:45 ↗ I'm wrong but I thought at one point in

8:47 ↗ time there was some talk about putting a

8:48 ↗ roundabout in that very intersection you

8:52 ↗ know I don't have the history on that

8:53 ↗ maybe somebody with deeper seeded

8:55 ↗ history in the audience that might be

8:58 ↗ speaking later could address that you

9:01 ↗ know I want to remind the Commission I

9:04 ↗ mean earlier the approval for Kelkar II

9:08 ↗ included phases 2 & 3 include 126 units

9:14 ↗ and now we're down to 72 so the

9:17 ↗ additional reduction in trips could also

9:20 ↗ be one of the reasons why we're not

9:22 ↗ talking about any traffic control at

9:25 ↗ sunrise in Wildwood other than the stop

9:28 ↗ sign so I don't know commissioner

9:32 ↗ whether or not there was a roundabout

9:33 ↗ ever discussed I know there are a number

9:35 ↗ of roundabouts being discussed on

9:37 ↗ Newport but I hadn't heard of any

9:40 ↗ migrating up into this neighborhood okay

9:44 ↗ thank you

9:46 ↗ and did the Commission have any other

9:50 ↗ questions regarding the contents of the

9:53 ↗ briefing response memo if you have a

9:57 ↗ question yeah on each 23 of 36 under a

10:04 ↗ landslide potential area in which I

10:09 ↗ think there's probably a bit of

10:11 ↗ community interest under the staff

10:13 ↗ report it says that the city's

10:14 ↗ consultant asked for additional

10:16 ↗ information corrections to the original

10:19 ↗ geotechnical report

10:23 ↗ all the details in geotechnical formula

10:26 ↗ or if you could summarize some of the

10:28 ↗ points that were requested by a Goldberg

10:31 ↗ I think on this is that correct

10:37 ↗ it's Golder associates so yes and I was

10:44 ↗ present at some of those meetings but

10:46 ↗ I'm also not a geotech engineer so I'm

10:49 ↗ gonna actually ask Richard if you're

10:52 ↗ comfortable putting that question on the

10:54 ↗ sidebar for right now cuz Ted shepper

10:57 ↗ from terror associates is here and I

11:00 ↗ believe could address your question

11:03 ↗ during the applicants presentation other

11:08 ↗ other questions or comments

11:14 ↗ I guess I've got one an unpaid 19 of 22

11:18 ↗ or 33 of 36 the last paragraph about the

11:22 ↗ wall supporting building aid and the

11:25 ↗ condition that it could be split up into

11:28 ↗ two into terrorists walls would that

11:32 ↗ change the amount of impervious surface

11:34 ↗ it would in place or just the amount of

11:38 ↗ disturbance and we might want to put a

11:42 ↗ map you know so part of there there were

11:45 ↗ a number of questions that came up about

11:49 ↗ this condition following the first

11:53 ↗ Commissioner meeting and you know one of

11:56 ↗ the you know one of the issues that was

12:02 ↗ brought up was the visual impact

12:04 ↗ potentially of that 20-foot wall

12:07 ↗ adjacent to the subdivision that's on

12:10 ↗ first place and so this condition really

12:16 ↗ is intended to lessen the visual impact

12:21 ↗ of that wall and he of it's basically

12:25 ↗ what it's gonna do is gonna it's gonna

12:27 ↗ because you're basically gonna offset

12:30 ↗ the wall you're taking a piece of

12:34 ↗ backyard for some of those units that

12:36 ↗ four-plex that's up there at the top of

12:38 ↗ the wall you're taking five feet of

12:40 ↗ their backyard and you're putting it

12:41 ↗ down in between the two walls so so

12:44 ↗ technically yes there's probably there

12:47 ↗ is some more impervious as you have now

12:50 ↗ two walls when you just had one

12:51 ↗ previously but I think what we heard

12:54 ↗ from the applicant was they're gonna

12:56 ↗ stay within their impervious allocation

12:59 ↗ and not ask for any additional so that's

13:03 ↗ still my understanding the chair

13:08 ↗ question so and maybe this is one that

13:12 ↗ the applicant may need to speak to but

13:14 ↗ I'll raise it now on page 33 or 36

13:17 ↗ there's a condition the center of the

13:20 ↗ page it talks about storm drainage

13:23 ↗ and the need for stormwater facilities

13:27 ↗ probably specifically around detention

13:29 ↗ it says that in the second sentence due

13:33 ↗ to a change in property ownership and

13:35 ↗ limitations on existing stormwater

13:37 ↗ facilities in the area the project may

13:39 ↗ need to increase detention or provide

13:40 ↗ additional capacity to existing public

13:43 ↗ facilities and so the question is I'm

13:46 ↗ not sure where on the property that's

13:49 ↗ going to happen and if it's a

13:51 ↗ significant facility it could have an

13:53 ↗ impact on the configuration of the

13:54 ↗ project so want to understand how that's

13:57 ↗ going to be addressed either through

13:59 ↗ staff or through the applicant a a

14:01 ↗ little bit of both so there was a

14:05 ↗ updated condition for H and condition n

14:11 ↗ those took place subsequent to the

14:14 ↗ briefing response memo and that was

14:19 ↗ actually going to be my next topic was

14:23 ↗ to to discuss those two updates they

14:27 ↗ were the result of public comment and

14:30 ↗ also coordination between staff and and

14:34 ↗ the applicant now with regards to the

14:37 ↗ actual location and the technical

14:41 ↗ aspects of it I will leave that to the

14:43 ↗ applicant I do want to refer to the

14:49 ↗ updated conditions condition H now

14:55 ↗ states that as noted in table on page

14:58 ↗ four of this briefing response memo

15:03 ↗ identified the project as best at prior

15:05 ↗ storm water approvals however the city

15:07 ↗ has identified some downstream concerns

15:09 ↗ the applicant has agreed to work with

15:11 ↗ the city on potential solutions to these

15:13 ↗ concerns the project will address the

15:15 ↗ downstream systems that may directly

15:17 ↗ impact be directly impacted by the

15:20 ↗ development or proposed alternate

15:22 ↗ solutions for dishes charge location so

15:25 ↗ and I'll unpack that a little bit so our

15:28 ↗ range of stormwater engineers had a

15:30 ↗ meeting

15:30 ↗ the applicant since the last Commission

15:33 ↗ meeting to try in the applicant was a

15:36 ↗ little concerned about the vagueness of

15:38 ↗ condition age and was hoping to pen it

15:41 ↗ in a little bit more so there was

15:42 ↗ conversation and and what would I

15:47 ↗ understand and I think the civil

15:49 ↗ engineers for the applicant will provide

15:50 ↗ a greater level of detail but we're

15:52 ↗ talking about the off-site discharge

15:54 ↗ points primarily so what you have in the

15:57 ↗ area is you have some existing erosion

16:01 ↗ of the banks of Issaquah Creek and so

16:04 ↗ that's a concern so as a discharge point

16:06 ↗ you know potentially doing something

16:08 ↗ that might exacerbate the existing

16:10 ↗ erosion issues is a problem but there's

16:12 ↗ also a city stormwater facility that

16:16 ↗ discharges to the wetland structure to

16:19 ↗ the I'm gonna guess that south and that

16:24 ↗ facility right now is for lack of more

16:30 ↗ technical term over capacity so in other

16:33 ↗ words it's a it's a cartridge filter

16:36 ↗ that leads to a level spreader the water

16:39 ↗ that's moving through that system is

16:41 ↗ moving too slowly so potentially adding

16:44 ↗ more water to something that's already

16:46 ↗ draining too slowly is not a good choice

16:48 ↗ so part of the conversations with the

16:51 ↗ applicant and why this condition and the

16:53 ↗ clarification which is which was read to

16:56 ↗ you by Dan is providing greater clarity

17:00 ↗ on what we're really talking about

17:01 ↗ relating to stormwater which is we need

17:04 ↗ to have some additional engineering to

17:07 ↗ figure out where's the water going to go

17:09 ↗ and how does it get there without

17:12 ↗ causing an impact to kind of the

17:14 ↗ sensitive areas that we have in this

17:16 ↗ vicinity I'll wait to hear more on the

17:22 ↗ tempted your appetite condition and was

17:29 ↗ as I mentioned it was the result of a

17:33 ↗ right

17:34 ↗ and concern we did receive three

17:37 ↗ additional comments after the briefing

17:42 ↗ response memo was issued so I have

17:46 ↗ copies of those available for you people

17:48 ↗ like them and I'll go through and it

17:51 ↗ dressed some of those but condition n no

17:56 ↗ construction traffic will be allowed to

17:58 ↗ use the cul-de-sac on Sunrise place or

18:01 ↗ first place as a turnaround the

18:05 ↗ condition will be placed on the site

18:06 ↗ work and building permits so concern

18:13 ↗ from the community we heard a little bit

18:15 ↗ at the last Commission meeting but then

18:17 ↗ as as Dan said we received additional

18:19 ↗ comments via email so so because we saw

18:23 ↗ that as a concern so if you take sunrise

18:25 ↗ place tasks Kelkar e

18:27 ↗ it ends in a I don't want to call it a

18:30 ↗ substandard cul-de-sac but it's a fairly

18:32 ↗ small cul-de-sac and one of the

18:34 ↗ residents expressed some concern about

18:36 ↗ construction traffic using that as a

18:39 ↗ turnaround and so we talked to the

18:42 ↗ applicant about adding a new condition

18:44 ↗ and that would basically say you know

18:46 ↗ you're gonna figure out with your

18:48 ↗ contractors to how to turn around on

18:50 ↗ site and not necessarily use the public

18:53 ↗ street system so we drafted that we sent

18:56 ↗ it out and then we got the me two emails

18:58 ↗ which was great so the you know the

19:02 ↗ comment was why not include first place

19:04 ↗ on that as well because there was a call

19:06 ↗ to stack on first place and you know why

19:08 ↗ why would we allow that and I don't

19:09 ↗ think the intent was to so so we changed

19:13 ↗ the condition to say first place and

19:15 ↗ sunrise place additional concerns and

19:23 ↗ comments that we received one was

19:27 ↗ related to play areas and I'm gonna

19:33 ↗ mention that now and hopefully the

19:36 ↗ applicant and

19:37 ↗ guess that further but there's some

19:40 ↗ concern amongst the Foothill residents

19:43 ↗ that there is not enough recreation

19:46 ↗ space in Kelkar e proper and that they

19:50 ↗ may be impacted by that in some way

19:56 ↗ second email that we received was

20:00 ↗ recommendation for approval and support

20:04 ↗ of the project from somebody who lives

20:07 ↗ in Cal Kerry phase 1 and lastly we

20:13 ↗ received some concerns the third email

20:19 ↗ was had touched on issues that were

20:23 ↗ addressed in the briefing response memo

20:27 ↗ it the only other thing was related to

20:30 ↗ construction at hours which they would

20:34 ↗ like limit it from 8 to 4 the city

20:36 ↗ standard for all projects is 7 to 6 so I

20:42 ↗ don't know that we're gonna that were in

20:44 ↗ a position to place that kind of

20:47 ↗ condition on the applicant other

20:54 ↗ comments

20:56 ↗ we're ready to hear from the applicant

20:59 ↗ all right so I'll go ahead and turn it

21:02 ↗ over to taste Antonin thank you

21:06 ↗ [Music]

21:11 ↗ good evening commission members members

21:13 ↗ of the public thank you for joining us

21:15 ↗ all this evening we're actually really

21:17 ↗ pleased to be here tonight my name is

21:19 ↗ David Macduff I'm vice president of

21:20 ↗ development with inter cork we're the

21:22 ↗ applicant are my address is four one one

21:25 ↗ South 1st Avenue

21:27 ↗ Seattle Washington 98 104 may I suggest

21:32 ↗ we were going to go through what is a

21:34 ↗ relatively brief but hopefully inspiring

21:36 ↗ presentation of what we've been working

21:38 ↗ on with city and staff for

21:40 ↗ two-and-a-half years we're really

21:42 ↗ excited about it

21:43 ↗ rich Wagner from Bayless will be our

21:46 ↗ chief presenter may I suggest we go

21:48 ↗ through that presentation first and then

21:50 ↗ in response to direct questions from the

21:52 ↗ Commission and/or public we do have a

21:54 ↗ plethora plethora of experts here who

21:58 ↗ can happily speak hopefully speak

22:00 ↗ appropriately to the level of the

22:01 ↗ questions the Commission it will

22:03 ↗ publicly yeah so with that I'd like to

22:05 ↗ turn the presentation over to Wagner

22:11 ↗ thank you David

22:13 ↗ my name is rich Widener I got to work on

22:16 ↗ this project its original inception back

22:19 ↗ in aught know it was 1990 something and

22:25 ↗ it was it was a wonderful project and

22:28 ↗ it's just thrilling for me personally to

22:29 ↗ be a part of this these next phases

22:32 ↗ I'm with bayless architects 100 801 Main

22:35 ↗ Street in Bellevue Washington 90 805 604

22:41 ↗ also tonight with us I want to bring up

22:43 ↗ another presentation here

22:54 ↗ every seems a little different thank you

22:58 ↗ this is just a preview slide of some of

23:01 ↗ those that we'll be looking at earlier

23:02 ↗ also on our team today this evening we

23:06 ↗ have representatives from core civil

23:07 ↗ engineers Tara geotechnical watershed

23:11 ↗ and traffic engineers Northwest and I

23:15 ↗ know that you're familiar with all these

23:16 ↗ in the city and that was one of the

23:17 ↗ reasons why we wanted to bring them to

23:20 ↗ the project because they have so much

23:21 ↗ experience in this community and

23:23 ↗ everything that goes on we're also

23:26 ↗ joined tonight by Cristie triple from

23:27 ↗ Raleigh properties and I and I feel that

23:30 ↗ it's always wonderful to see mr. skip

23:32 ↗ rally here thank you

23:35 ↗ I won't go any further I don't how much

23:41 ↗ staff already mentioned but I want to

23:43 ↗ highlight it this is an application to

23:45 ↗ approve a minor amendment to an already

23:47 ↗ approved project this is not a new

23:50 ↗ project application

23:52 ↗ mr. Nevin I think reported quite

23:54 ↗ extensively on that last time when he

23:57 ↗ went through all the amendments that

23:58 ↗ were being presented and had been

24:01 ↗ previously approved and any conditions

24:04 ↗ that we were looking to amend this

24:07 ↗ application is unique in that as a minor

24:09 ↗ amendment it's a level two process the

24:13 ↗ only reason we're bringing it forward is

24:15 ↗ for the purposes of transparency here as

24:17 ↗ a level two process staff has the

24:20 ↗ authority to decide whether it is a

24:23 ↗ minor amendment and the history on this

24:25 ↗ project shows that yes they have made

24:27 ↗ this decision and it is a minor

24:29 ↗ amendment I think to appreciate the

24:32 ↗ proposal though let me begin with with a

24:35 ↗ couple images that stays here these are

24:42 ↗ the existing facilities for those that

24:44 ↗ haven't had a chance to get out there in

24:46 ↗ a while

24:48 ↗ these are we brought these forward

24:51 ↗ because they were part of the I would

24:53 ↗ say the drivers of why phase two and

24:55 ↗ three look like it looks we wanted to

24:59 ↗ take not just our inspiration but in

25:00 ↗ fact much of the exact detailing in

25:02 ↗ color from the existing facilities

25:05 ↗ one of the things that really defines

25:07 ↗ kakari though we can talk about the

25:09 ↗ nuances of colors and things like that

25:11 ↗ but some of the things that really

25:12 ↗ define the architecture is the large

25:14 ↗ roof plane so what you see here and

25:16 ↗ although in hidden and the backside here

25:19 ↗ of this building but you know when you

25:22 ↗ drive up to Kelkar II the first thing

25:24 ↗ that hits you is these large roof planes

25:26 ↗ the next piece is all the modulation

25:29 ↗ that all the buildings have the exposed

25:32 ↗ timber detailing that all the buildings

25:34 ↗ have we've also been looking when you

25:38 ↗ get in a little detail up in the front

25:40 ↗ you see these architectural railings we

25:43 ↗ also have a one of the things we worked

25:46 ↗ with on kakari one was making sure the

25:49 ↗ units had plenty of light inside so

25:51 ↗ we're working with extra large windows

25:53 ↗ you know you always see the little

25:54 ↗ apartments with a little windows in them

25:55 ↗ that's not the case for Kelkar ii the

26:00 ↗ the multiple materials we're using

26:03 ↗ actually the original has bevel siding

26:06 ↗ shingle siding board and back and most

26:09 ↗ every place has this stone base that you

26:12 ↗ see here the colors that we that are

26:17 ↗ used now are all earth tones there's

26:19 ↗ probably a half dozen maybe eight or

26:21 ↗ nine colors that are used out there to

26:22 ↗ create some textures we want to carry

26:25 ↗ all those forward this is a slide of

26:28 ↗ some of the amenity spaces that are in

26:30 ↗ phase one certainly the clubhouse if

26:33 ↗ you've had a chance to be invited to a

26:34 ↗ reception or a party or some event there

26:36 ↗ it's been a spectacular ly well-received

26:39 ↗ and a wonderful place to be

26:40 ↗ it's highly detailed and it captures a

26:42 ↗ lot of the detailing that we hope to

26:44 ↗ advance to phase two and three this is

26:46 ↗ the barbecue area talk about some of the

26:49 ↗ open spaces and gathering spaces that

26:51 ↗ are in phase one this is definitely a

26:53 ↗ big one in fact I don't have a good

26:55 ↗ picture of it but right around the

26:56 ↗ corner come on over this way there's

27:00 ↗ this wonderful plaza looking out over

27:02 ↗ the creek now the creek

27:05 ↗ vegetation tends to get grown in so you

27:09 ↗ can't always exactly see the correct but

27:11 ↗ you can sure enjoy it and hear it and

27:13 ↗ then over on this side

27:16 ↗ there's this little fireplace area which

27:20 ↗ has been quite well received and I hope

27:23 ↗ that the current residents are able to

27:24 ↗ get use out of that especially in this

27:26 ↗ last summer there's a lot of gathering

27:29 ↗ places there's a courts over here

27:33 ↗ there's a child play area in the middle

27:35 ↗ and they're seating areas in phase one

27:39 ↗ but those are some of the areas that

27:41 ↗ help really define the character of the

27:43 ↗ existing facility chuckle I'd like to

27:46 ↗ talk a little bit about the proposed

27:48 ↗ buildings and I think you can see one of

27:50 ↗ our biggest goals was to create a

27:51 ↗ continuity of the architecture we are

27:55 ↗ using in the composition of this site

27:59 ↗ we're actually only using three unit

28:01 ↗ types and I'll walk through briefly on

28:03 ↗ those but they're combined in different

28:05 ↗ buildings and in different facades so

28:07 ↗ that as an example and a unit doesn't

28:10 ↗ always have the same facade as an a unit

28:12 ↗ it might vary and we think that's been a

28:15 ↗ big asset in terms of creating the

28:17 ↗ textures in the modulation that we're

28:20 ↗ going to see here this actually is unit

28:22 ↗ a what's interesting about unit a and

28:25 ↗ can everyone see this not in detail but

28:28 ↗ generally we're in focus pointing what

28:36 ↗ ask you this we can't hear you so ready

28:38 ↗ you're gonna have to take the mic with

28:39 ↗ you if you care

28:44 ↗ I'm not supposed to point it at you burn

28:48 ↗ a hole in your sweater

28:49 ↗ said faa-approved thank you the eight

28:55 ↗ units are along sunrise place these

28:58 ↗ units here and there along Cabin Creek

29:01 ↗ one of the reasons we wanted to use the

29:03 ↗ a unit in this particular configuration

29:05 ↗ was again they have the large roof

29:08 ↗ planes so they helped capture the the

29:14 ↗ character the other thing that we're

29:17 ↗ using the 80 units war is on these years

29:19 ↗ there are no garage is facing the front

29:22 ↗ all of these are porches and and Stoops

29:25 ↗ that'll come out with sidewalks to the

29:29 ↗ street here and sidewalks alone Cabin

29:32 ↗ Creek the eight units the the key there

29:35 ↗ is all of the accesses for the parking

29:39 ↗ is to the back but the other bonus here

29:42 ↗ is there are only two stories the B

29:44 ↗ units similarly this one does have

29:48 ↗ parking these are what we're calling our

29:50 ↗ downhill units or off often called

29:53 ↗ daylight basement units where the garage

29:55 ↗ and the in trees are on the front

29:56 ↗ bedrooms are on the top and below and in

30:00 ↗ the basement down below or the lower

30:02 ↗ level is other media spaces this the

30:07 ↗ artist captured this tree one of the

30:09 ↗ things that you'll see and you know all

30:11 ↗ of our renderings is we're trying to

30:12 ↗ maintain that tree and I know that for

30:16 ↗ those who've been here a long long time

30:18 ↗ that tree has been preserved in every

30:21 ↗ scheme that I think we've ever presented

30:23 ↗ to you the uphill units these are occur

30:28 ↗ here in phase 3 and basically they're

30:32 ↗ the unit that allow us to tuck the unit

30:34 ↗ up into the hill a little bit and heal

30:36 ↗ that in but we're trying to make sure

30:39 ↗ the depths of those are not they're

30:41 ↗ shallow this is another great example of

30:45 ↗ where you can see the large roofs all

30:47 ↗ the modulated forms and they're

30:49 ↗ modulated not only horizontally but

30:51 ↗ vertically

30:52 ↗ the exposed timber detailing will all

30:54 ↗ come out here again large windows

30:57 ↗ architectural railings and again the

31:00 ↗ same materials sightings colors that are

31:03 ↗ being used in Kelkar e1 we think in all

31:07 ↗ of this we've put together a pretty

31:08 ↗ compelling solution but I'd like to talk

31:13 ↗ a little bit about ok how do we how do

31:15 ↗ we make sure it's a minor amendment and

31:17 ↗ still it's consistent with what was

31:19 ↗ approved in order to do that I'm going

31:22 ↗ to do some comparison graphics here of

31:25 ↗ original and proposed this is actually

31:29 ↗ the original site plan that was approved

31:32 ↗ years ago you might recognize concept

31:35 ↗ engineers a little logo down here the

31:38 ↗ plan itself this is sunrise coming

31:40 ↗ through Cabin Creek was proposed through

31:43 ↗ here and it is it's it's built and we're

31:45 ↗ not moving that in any of the projects

31:47 ↗ the access to phase 3 has always been

31:51 ↗ here and will remain here the buildings

31:55 ↗ for phase 1 completed here including the

31:58 ↗ clubhouse phase 2 these buildings are

32:01 ↗ here and remember these are four-story

32:03 ↗ buildings sometimes very close to the

32:05 ↗ street as you can see here in phase 3

32:09 ↗ the same building type or the same

32:12 ↗ building look lines along the grade here

32:17 ↗ up into phase 3 and the road access is

32:20 ↗ in behind the buildings here we've tried

32:24 ↗ to capture this and there's there's an

32:28 ↗ exhibit in your packet called exhibit 1

32:32 ↗ but we've realized it's kind of hard to

32:34 ↗ read so we've broken it down here into

32:36 ↗ the various layers and it gives you a

32:37 ↗ much better understanding of what we're

32:39 ↗ proposing I think one of the first

32:41 ↗ things to know is that this is a story

32:44 ↗ of less it's we are working with less

32:48 ↗ units less building square footage less

32:51 ↗ traffic less site disturbance less

32:54 ↗ retaining walls and less critical areas

32:57 ↗ impacts the arrangement that you can see

33:02 ↗ here is built out I think I spoke to the

33:04 ↗ entrances here and sunrise

33:05 ↗ continues phase two is this area right

33:08 ↗ here who's graded at the end of phase

33:10 ↗ two one

33:12 ↗ so it's it's pretty self-explanatory as

33:14 ↗ to how that could have been developed

33:16 ↗ and now we're using many of those same

33:19 ↗ grades in that open space the from the

33:24 ↗ very beginning our goal on this whole

33:26 ↗ project was to minimize the land

33:27 ↗ disturbance and the impervious surfaces

33:30 ↗ that's why we've got the narrower

33:31 ↗ streets a little tighter buildings the

33:34 ↗ buildings don't have as much of depth as

33:35 ↗ you might usually see in townhomes in

33:38 ↗ this market this is the approved plan

33:43 ↗ and one of the things that you'll notice

33:45 ↗ is the open space that surrounds the

33:48 ↗ entire area as a part of our final

33:51 ↗ project we are going to be keeping 15

33:53 ↗ acres in open space and forests the next

34:00 ↗ thing I wanted to look at was kind of

34:01 ↗ how do we unpack this this is the

34:03 ↗ disturbed areas that were included in

34:07 ↗ the original approval and you can see

34:09 ↗ especially in areas like this in Phase

34:11 ↗ two where we're encroaching quite a bit

34:13 ↗ into that slope the trail for your

34:15 ↗ reference is a very dim line you can see

34:17 ↗ right through here crosses the street

34:20 ↗ and continues up this way in our

34:24 ↗ proposal you'll see we're going to try

34:26 ↗ and really stay out of that the area of

34:29 ↗ disturbance in fact I'll bring it up

34:31 ↗ later is actually reduced by 10% again

34:35 ↗ this this this is the acreage here that

34:38 ↗ will be preserved

34:45 ↗ when I say preserved I want to highlight

34:47 ↗ that it's not only being developed here

34:49 ↗ but it's going to remain in the

34:50 ↗ ownership and control of the homeowners

34:52 ↗ association and it will probably have

34:55 ↗ some easements through it as well the

35:00 ↗ for ownership excuse me if I Drive dive

35:06 ↗ in a little bit further than to some of

35:08 ↗ the how do we get to face to our

35:11 ↗ proposal this shows the same streets

35:15 ↗ here cabin creek goes through here we've

35:18 ↗ laid in what our buildings are going to

35:20 ↗ look like now the access lanes here

35:24 ↗ phase 2 3 is the same way here and you

35:28 ↗ can see by the location of this line

35:29 ↗ this kind of teal green line how much

35:32 ↗ we're really pulling back from some of

35:34 ↗ these critical areas that we really

35:36 ↗ didn't want to get into the if I if I

35:43 ↗ take this and then overlay all the

35:45 ↗ exhibits now this is the one that's in

35:46 ↗ your packet but I think you can see

35:48 ↗ where so many of the amendments that are

35:52 ↗ going to be proposed actually lay I'd

35:57 ↗ like to take a little bit of time then

35:59 ↗ and talk about our particular site plan

36:02 ↗ with everything else kind of screened

36:04 ↗ down this brings out the buildings and

36:06 ↗ it's the same site plan you see well

36:09 ↗ it's oriented differently in our site

36:13 ↗ plan to the left is north and I have to

36:17 ↗ admit when you're out on this site or

36:19 ↗ when you're trying to study it it's

36:20 ↗ really easy to get confused about where

36:23 ↗ your compass lines are the excuse me

36:35 ↗ one of the things you'll see right away

36:37 ↗ is is the streets here and here and up

36:40 ↗ into here and this street here in Kelkar

36:44 ↗ II all the streets existing are private

36:46 ↗ roads and what we're proposing in these

36:49 ↗ is that they too will remain private

36:51 ↗ roads the trail connections that we've

36:55 ↗ talked about here that come through

36:59 ↗ these trails actually lead into these

37:03 ↗ woods I think one of the speakers from

37:05 ↗ the public know reminded us last two

37:08 ↗ weeks ago what a wonderful journey it is

37:09 ↗ to go up into there so we're going to

37:11 ↗ put these in say yeah it's amazing I

37:15 ↗ remember when we did the original

37:16 ↗ project one of the goals was to market

37:19 ↗ it to people who would come home put on

37:21 ↗ their boots and head up the hill and I

37:24 ↗ understand from residents that that

37:26 ↗ happens a lot

37:28 ↗ at least the residents that do that tell

37:30 ↗ me it's a lot the the only thing we're

37:36 ↗ gonna really affect in this trail issue

37:38 ↗ here is if I go back there's a little

37:42 ↗ area right here where the trail comes up

37:44 ↗ and we're gonna rebuild this stairway

37:47 ↗ and move it I don't maybe ten feet to

37:50 ↗ the south or to the east a little bit so

37:53 ↗ it's it's a minor amendment here that

37:56 ↗ were that will help get the traffic

37:59 ↗ through and up to this three and be able

38:02 ↗ to give them good passes across the

38:04 ↗ street sidewalks I want to zoom in a

38:09 ↗ little bit on this area right here this

38:11 ↗ is basically Phase two and I'd say this

38:16 ↗ because I want to highlight a couple of

38:18 ↗ mornings

38:19 ↗ here first of all is the sidewalks we're

38:22 ↗ gonna complete the sidewalks on Cabin

38:24 ↗ Creek all the way through here so you

38:25 ↗ can actually walk without going through

38:27 ↗ the drug road we're gonna add a sidewalk

38:31 ↗ on the other side of the road all the

38:32 ↗ way along all the way down to this Lane

38:36 ↗ intersection all the crosswalks that

38:38 ↗ we're going to have will be concrete

38:39 ↗ crosswalks are not just painted stripes

38:42 ↗ the sidewalk as it goes into the project

38:45 ↗ again in Phase two and similarly you'll

38:47 ↗ see in Phase three wherever there's a

38:49 ↗ front door

38:50 ↗ it's serviced by a sidewalk this is the

38:56 ↗ B units that downhill units these are

38:59 ↗ the eight units that are on the sidewalk

39:00 ↗ here for Cabin Creek landscaping we

39:05 ↗ expect the landscaping to be very robust

39:07 ↗ we've got one of the premier landscapers

39:09 ↗ on our team in this area the all the

39:14 ↗ buffers because we're gonna pull out of

39:15 ↗ this we definitely want to do some

39:17 ↗ heavier buffering around here if you're

39:20 ↗ curious it was right in this area where

39:22 ↗ the we talked to staff about doing the

39:24 ↗ double retaining walls the landscaping

39:29 ↗ they were going to be using will be very

39:30 ↗ similar to the landscaping that is

39:32 ↗ existing in phase one primarily because

39:36 ↗ we want not just the architecture to

39:38 ↗ look similar but the whole site

39:40 ↗ experience to be similar and we'll be

39:43 ↗ doing substantial buffer enhancements

39:45 ↗ the little closer look at some of these

39:48 ↗ areas this is the overall site plan this

39:52 ↗ is faced to here and here this is Phase

39:55 ↗ three

39:56 ↗ the question came up about parks and

39:58 ↗ open space we've got we don't have a

40:03 ↗ formal park if you will but I think we

40:05 ↗ have a lot of play areas for children

40:06 ↗ and we have a lot of open space within

40:09 ↗ the project

40:11 ↗ the play areas excuse me this area right

40:16 ↗ here as you can see is picnic benches

40:18 ↗ looking out over the steep slopes here

40:22 ↗ that we're going to maintain this area

40:23 ↗ over here is actually a little pocket

40:25 ↗ park for the the play area it's going to

40:29 ↗ have climbing rocks some jungle gym

40:31 ↗ stuff and again a place for mom and dad

40:34 ↗ or the big brother to keep their eye out

40:36 ↗ up in phase two or phase three first of

40:40 ↗ all you'll be able to get there crossing

40:43 ↗ the road here we're going to intersect

40:45 ↗ where you'd actually cross with a trail

40:48 ↗ that comes up through this hillside

40:51 ↗ stops at this kind of picnic outlook

40:53 ↗ area looking out over this wetland again

40:58 ↗ preserving the tree and along this

41:00 ↗ particular trail we're going to do a dry

41:02 ↗ creek bed well I say dry creek bed we

41:05 ↗ hope it's got water in it but we don't

41:07 ↗ want to over promise that there's a lot

41:10 ↗ of water in the site but if you drive by

41:11 ↗ and there's nothing flowing that's why I

41:13 ↗ wanted to footnote that the at the south

41:17 ↗ end of Phase three we've got this

41:20 ↗ hammerhead turn around and that was

41:22 ↗ discussed a little bit last week but in

41:24 ↗ that hammerhead turn around we hate to

41:26 ↗ just see it lay fallow you know or do we

41:28 ↗ want people parking in that at any time

41:30 ↗ so we're proposing this is that

41:33 ↗ hammerhead as a play area with things

41:37 ↗ like hopscotch and cross ball again

41:40 ↗ places for parents and dolt and shoal

41:43 ↗ big brothers sisters to look out over

41:45 ↗ them but this is also a very enjoyable

41:47 ↗ space because it looks out over this

41:49 ↗ entire wetland area these are not just

41:52 ↗ drawn or painted they're actually going

41:53 ↗ to be laid in architectural II I'm going

42:00 ↗ to take a quick run through these I

42:02 ↗ don't want to say too much but as I

42:04 ↗ mentioned we've got three different unit

42:05 ↗ types a B and C the floor plans this is

42:10 ↗ this is aid and I mentioned this because

42:13 ↗ when you look at the graphics the 3d

42:15 ↗ graphics I want you to know that they're

42:19 ↗ real they're not they're not an artist

42:21 ↗ concept of something that might happen

42:23 ↗ we actually worked very closely with the

42:25 ↗ renderer on these to make sure that they

42:28 ↗ were showing exactly what we wanted this

42:30 ↗ shows that the floor plans have been

42:32 ↗ worked out the elevations have been

42:33 ↗ worked out and in particular our

42:35 ↗ references to the building materials

42:38 ↗ these are pictures taken right out of

42:40 ↗ coke re1 this is building B similarly to

42:45 ↗ the existing materials and again

42:47 ↗ similarly to the large roofs and the

42:50 ↗ fenestrations unit C in fact in all of

42:56 ↗ these units you'll also notice that we

42:58 ↗ did some side views so this allowed us

43:01 ↗ to calculate Heights and make sure that

43:02 ↗ we're within the bounds of that goal it

43:06 ↗ also shows how much great change happens

43:08 ↗ between say this is the basement

43:10 ↗ building I highlight these like I said

43:14 ↗ because I want you to know that the

43:15 ↗ artists renderings when you're looking

43:17 ↗ at them are the result of some studied

43:19 ↗ solutions that are not just pretty

43:20 ↗ pictures I talked a lot about less I'd

43:26 ↗ like to actually put some numbers behind

43:27 ↗ them so excuse me this is our commitment

43:30 ↗ which is in your packet to the colors

43:32 ↗ and materials units a B and C how we

43:35 ↗ think those will go and again these will

43:38 ↗ be refined in the actual permit drawings

43:42 ↗ and when aiwei's when I say refined I

43:45 ↗ want to speak highly of staff when we

43:48 ↗ talk to them about that because if you

43:51 ↗ think staff lets us get away with

43:52 ↗ anything that would be a

43:55 ↗ misunderstanding I've talked a lot about

43:59 ↗ less so I wanted to actually put some

44:01 ↗ numbers on the table here for you to

44:02 ↗ consider the unit count is down in

44:05 ↗ phases two and three we originally had

44:07 ↗ 126 we now have 72 43% reduction the

44:12 ↗ gross building area the units are a

44:14 ↗ little bigger now we're about 22%

44:17 ↗ reduction bigger than what the Congo

44:20 ↗ apartments are the building levels I

44:23 ↗ just spoke of this this is actually very

44:24 ↗ important all of the buildings in the

44:26 ↗ original approval and in Kelkar e1 are

44:28 ↗ four storeys all the buildings in ELQ re

44:32 ↗ 2 and 3 will be 3 storeys

44:34 ↗ the width I highlight the width because

44:36 ↗ it gives you the impression of the mass

44:38 ↗ these existing buildings and those

44:41 ↗ proposed in the original plan 185 feet

44:44 ↗ to 200 feet we're proposing 50 to 125

44:47 ↗ feet 38 percent reduction traffic our

44:51 ↗ traffic engineer has done a lot of

44:54 ↗ studies on these things

44:55 ↗ and I will tell you too that I'll come

44:58 ↗ back to that it's all of our work has

45:01 ↗ been peer-reviewed the traffic the daily

45:04 ↗ trips are dropping by 49 percent and

45:07 ↗ more to the point I think as we all

45:09 ↗ travel to and from work the am peak

45:12 ↗ trips drop to 61 percent or of what was

45:16 ↗ originally approved and the PMP trips

45:19 ↗ accordingly drop as well

45:21 ↗ staff mentioned that the traffic that

45:24 ↗ was actually the the fees to mitigate

45:27 ↗ the traffic impacts for all of these

45:28 ↗ were in place in the original proposal

45:33 ↗ the site disturbance phases 2 & 3 a bit

45:39 ↗ of a decrease there 10% 24,000 feet I

45:42 ↗ mean that's a half acre that were we're

45:44 ↗ gonna stay clear up the other thing I

45:46 ↗ might note on that is in the original

45:47 ↗ proposal we were doing a lot of work in

45:51 ↗ wetland what's now called wetland one

45:53 ↗ and we are no longer in needing to do

45:55 ↗ that work we're taking advantage if you

45:57 ↗ will of the 12 to 15 years of growth

45:59 ↗ that have happened in there

46:01 ↗ there's no reason for us to go in there

46:03 ↗ anymore

46:05 ↗ retaining walls have dropped off to 11

46:08 ↗ percent of what was originally approved

46:10 ↗ and in pervious areas there's a little

46:13 ↗ bit of a bump here I put this here

46:15 ↗ because this is what the data shows in

46:17 ↗ your packet but as staff reported based

46:20 ↗ on meetings earlier this week and late

46:22 ↗ last week the applicant is committed to

46:25 ↗ balancing out the impervious areas in

46:27 ↗ phases 1 2 & 3 so that they equal what

46:30 ↗ was previously approved

46:35 ↗ the thing I mentioned a couple times the

46:38 ↗ changing in the mass of the buildings so

46:41 ↗ I put this graphic together to really

46:43 ↗ give you an impression of what would be

46:45 ↗ changing this is the building si member

46:48 ↗ these are the ones on the uphill of

46:49 ↗ Phase three these for your reference our

46:53 ↗ building aids these the ones along the

46:54 ↗ street if the original proposal would be

46:57 ↗ implemented this is what the backs of

46:59 ↗ those buildings would look like and this

47:02 ↗ is what the Front's of the buildings

47:03 ↗ would look like so I think you can see

47:05 ↗ we're seeing a substantial reduction in

47:07 ↗ the impacts certainly the visual impacts

47:09 ↗ and the mass impact that would be up

47:11 ↗ along the road one of the things I've

47:13 ↗ been particularly concerned about as we

47:15 ↗ work through this was how the buildings

47:18 ↗ come up to sunrise place the the other

47:25 ↗ highlight here is again only two storeys

47:27 ↗ and front porches when you're when

47:29 ↗ you're coming home from work that's the

47:31 ↗ impression you'll have as you drive by

47:33 ↗ the Phase two I think you can see that

47:38 ↗ all these are less and thus our

47:41 ↗ conclusion of the minor amendments a

47:43 ↗ couple comments on the detail I think

47:46 ↗ when we talk about technical reports

47:49 ↗ we've done a pile of technical reports

47:51 ↗ and I want to make sure that the concept

47:54 ↗ of peer review is understood that's

47:56 ↗ basically where the city hires another

47:58 ↗ consultant to look at our work it's

48:01 ↗ typically spelled PE er as if we're

48:04 ↗ collaborating but it often feels like PE

48:06 ↗ AR over our shoulders so that did occur

48:12 ↗ on all of these and we wanted to make

48:15 ↗ sure too that you understood that those

48:17 ↗ reports were done very early in our work

48:19 ↗ and so they drove our decisions on how

48:23 ↗ to develop the site they weren't

48:24 ↗ developed to justify what we were doing

48:26 ↗ they were and they actually tuned our

48:28 ↗ designs all the way through the process

48:31 ↗ the

48:34 ↗ less is more I think we're confident the

48:37 ↗ proposed minor amendment before you this

48:39 ↗ evening will provide less impact it will

48:44 ↗ help secure the critical areas it'll

48:46 ↗ make for a safe neighborhood and again

48:48 ↗ it preserves 15 acres of the lands

48:50 ↗ around the site so I want to thank you

48:53 ↗ for your time you know I know you guys

48:57 ↗ make it so far better and I think you do

48:59 ↗ it every two weeks I actually worked on

49:02 ↗ the Renton Planning Commission for 14

49:04 ↗ years so I know the commitment that it

49:06 ↗ takes to be here and I want to thank you

49:07 ↗ for that especially we want to thank you

49:09 ↗ for your diligence in reading everything

49:12 ↗ we presented we hope that tonight and I

49:16 ↗ want to emphasize tonight our approach

49:19 ↗ has been so compelling that you're able

49:20 ↗ to endorse the application this evening

49:23 ↗ with that I'll close and I think we had

49:27 ↗ some technical questions come up already

49:33 ↗ if those are still on the table okay Ted

49:37 ↗ could you talk to us a little bit about

49:38 ↗ slope stability good evening

49:47 ↗ commissioners Ted shepper president of

49:50 ↗ terror associates 12 to 2100 and 13th

49:54 ↗ Avenue Northeast suite 130 Kirkland

49:57 ↗ Washington

49:58 ↗ and yeah so Commissioner Sanford I

50:01 ↗ believe you had a question regarding

50:03 ↗ what Golder has required of us in terms

50:08 ↗ of their peer review and additional

50:09 ↗ information they wanted to see to

50:11 ↗ support the requested some modifications

50:18 ↗ in terms of the steep slope impacts

50:20 ↗ first off we were I've been on doing

50:24 ↗ involved with the Carey project since

50:26 ↗ its beginning as well back in the early

50:28 ↗ 1990s built phase one was skip and then

50:32 ↗ things went kind of dormant for a while

50:33 ↗ and got contacted by inner core and they

50:36 ↗ were looking at the project we went back

50:39 ↗ out to the site in September of 2015 and

50:43 ↗ completed additional site explorations

50:46 ↗ drilled 16 edition

50:47 ↗ test borings and in in prepared a

50:51 ↗ technical report which basically updated

50:55 ↗ our original geotechnical reports where

50:56 ↗ that was done back in the mid-90s and

50:59 ↗ submitted that subsequent that's the

51:03 ↗ middle the city had a gold or do a peer

51:08 ↗ review of the work that we had done and

51:09 ↗ as a result of the peer review what

51:12 ↗ happened is we had to produce an

51:14 ↗ additional report specific to address

51:16 ↗ the critical areas and our critical

51:19 ↗ areas report so that's the main thing

51:22 ↗ that Golder had us do provided some

51:25 ↗ additional sacred geologic

51:26 ↗ reconnaissance stability analysis that

51:29 ↗ involved taking you know if you can in

51:33 ↗ terms of technical engineering we take

51:35 ↗ material you know material engineering

51:37 ↗ principles and apply it to material that

51:39 ↗ does not have you know very uniform

51:42 ↗ properties right because soils are can

51:45 ↗ change dramatically in a short distance

51:46 ↗ time so they actually had us do a

51:48 ↗ sensitivity analysis and our stability

51:50 ↗ where we took a range of parameters and

51:54 ↗ determined and ran our stability

51:56 ↗ analysis and determine you know if we

51:58 ↗ have a slight reduction in the soil

52:00 ↗ strength you know how much does that

52:01 ↗ impact the safety factors and that's all

52:04 ↗ summarized in this report the other

52:07 ↗ thing that they had us expand on was the

52:11 ↗ proximity of the foothill slide which is

52:14 ↗ approximately 500 feet southeast of

52:16 ↗ Phase three of this project and expand

52:19 ↗ on why you know what happened at the

52:22 ↗ foothill slide and why ground conditions

52:24 ↗ here at the Cal carry paces two and

52:26 ↗ three aren't subject to the same and the

52:29 ↗ bottom line and that is it's basically

52:32 ↗ very different geology the geology at

52:35 ↗ the foothills slide it slide at that

52:37 ↗ slide occurred in November of 1995 and

52:39 ↗ that was a result of actually some

52:42 ↗ grading that was the grading took place

52:43 ↗ in October and into November

52:45 ↗ there actually had a cut and they placed

52:47 ↗ them and opened up

52:50 ↗ a silt and clay formation the custard

52:53 ↗ formation and and that's what started

52:56 ↗ moving yeah

52:57 ↗ Kari site there are no silt and clay

53:00 ↗ formations basically we have fill

53:03 ↗ materials that were associated with

53:05 ↗ previous grading at the site below that

53:07 ↗ as an out wash sand and gravel deposit

53:09 ↗ and below that is is his bedrock

53:12 ↗ sandstone and silt stone bedrock very

53:15 ↗ different geology and and in different

53:20 ↗ ground conditions the other thing on the

53:22 ↗ on the foothills slide what happened you

53:24 ↗ know they may think they started the

53:26 ↗ gradient activity obviously at the worst

53:27 ↗ time of the year in starting on the

53:29 ↗ beginning of the winter the when they

53:33 ↗ open when they started the grading he

53:35 ↗ had significant rainfall event and

53:38 ↗ things started to move and so in

53:40 ↗ response to that moving they started

53:43 ↗ trying to install subsurface strange to

53:46 ↗ capture and collect rainwater that was

53:47 ↗ impacting the slide the the final

53:50 ↗ resolution on the foothills was a system

53:52 ↗ of drains that were installed upgrading

53:54 ↗ of the slide and then also at the base

53:56 ↗ of that the total slides from very long

53:58 ↗ horizontal drains were advanced up into

54:00 ↗ the hillside to capture the groundwater

54:02 ↗ and control it and keep it in keep it

54:05 ↗ from impacting the slide mass and that

54:06 ↗ was successfully completed and I believe

54:09 ↗ 1996 and and the slide has been stable

54:12 ↗ since we're gonna be more proactive that

54:14 ↗ we know on the on the Phase three on the

54:17 ↗ west side up gradient side there's a

54:18 ↗ there's quite a bit of ground water

54:19 ↗ emanating coming out comes out of that

54:21 ↗ hillside and so the first thing that

54:24 ↗ we're going to be doing is before any

54:27 ↗ major grading goes on we're going to

54:29 ↗ install a subsurface drain that's going

54:31 ↗ to capture and control that groundwater

54:33 ↗ and that water actually rotted down to

54:36 ↗ help feed the hydrology of the wetland

54:38 ↗ areas to the east of Phase three so

54:42 ↗ those are the the main differences

54:45 ↗ between the foothills and and the Phase

54:48 ↗ two and three of the kalahari project

54:53 ↗ I had one question if we go to the site

54:59 ↗ disturbance plan the aerial site plan

55:07 ↗ are the the ECA areas delineated on that

55:14 ↗ plan is that that blue hatched area

55:17 ↗ excuse me here I'm well past 30 so I

55:21 ↗ have her snowshoes here let me go down

55:28 ↗ to here and turn that off

55:39 ↗ that was in this area yeah the last one

55:42 ↗ or or any of them really and maybe the

55:44 ↗ first one shows it better so there's a

55:46 ↗ faint blue hatched area is that

55:47 ↗ delineating the where the ECA occurs oh

55:51 ↗ here is it shown at all no I don't think

55:55 ↗ the wetland was picked up here so what

56:00 ↗ does that hatch represent there is a

56:02 ↗ little blue there

56:04 ↗ oh oh that's right that's right so yes

56:10 ↗ it is the wailing okay and then does the

56:15 ↗ foothill slide show up on this map

56:18 ↗ no it doesn't I think the foothills

56:23 ↗ slide is probably way back over in here

56:28 ↗ okay all right thank you

56:36 ↗ there's nothing else for geotech I'm

56:41 ↗ here all night so if something comes up

56:42 ↗ go ahead and ask Jim I know there was a

56:46 ↗ question about out Falls you helped us

56:48 ↗ out on that one good evening

56:52 ↗ commissioners I'm Jim Olsen with core

56:54 ↗ design one four seven one one northeast

56:57 ↗ twenty nine two plates northeast twenty

57:00 ↗ nine to place suite 101 in Bellevue

57:02 ↗ Washington I'm one of the principles and

57:04 ↗ firm and the engineer for the project

57:06 ↗ the question came up with regards to

57:09 ↗ storm drainage and a couple things I

57:13 ↗ jotted down as I was listening to the

57:14 ↗ presentation that things that have

57:15 ↗ changed with this condition H that you

57:17 ↗ see now in your packet this evening the

57:19 ↗ first of which I want to elaborate on is

57:22 ↗ I think there's been a change with

57:24 ↗ regards to the besting of the project I

57:26 ↗ think the city now has changed that that

57:28 ↗ we are vested to the standards that were

57:30 ↗ in place at the time of the original

57:31 ↗ approval and we met with the city on two

57:37 ↗ different occasions to discuss storm

57:39 ↗ drainage because they've voiced concerns

57:40 ↗ about downstream systems both are

57:44 ↗ existing issues that occurred today not

57:48 ↗ an impact of this project and one

57:51 ↗ erosion problem that occurred last fall

57:53 ↗ due to the excess rain that we had last

57:55 ↗ fall it's fair to say that we've met

57:59 ↗ with the city core design has provided

58:01 ↗ several alternatives that might mitigate

58:03 ↗ or alleviate these problems the city is

58:06 ↗ reviewing those currently I can't stand

58:09 ↗ in front of you today to say that we

58:10 ↗ have a solution they're reviewing it as

58:14 ↗ we speak but it's safe to say that the

58:17 ↗ city believes that this is a problem

58:18 ↗ that can be solved with regards to their

58:21 ↗ systems that they have existing issues

58:23 ↗ with I think that's and I just wanted to

58:28 ↗ touch on the impervious surface I think

58:29 ↗ rich talked about it as well we do show

58:31 ↗ a slight increase and we've discussed

58:33 ↗ with the city about modifying the site

58:34 ↗ plan to reduce that impervious where we

58:36 ↗ can or provide pervious material to

58:39 ↗ bring our site in compliance with the

58:42 ↗ original and pervious surface amount

58:44 ↗ that was approved

58:46 ↗ does that answer your questions kind of

58:49 ↗ vaguely sure so do one question so it

58:57 ↗ didn't sound like from your response

58:58 ↗ there's any additional on-site detention

59:01 ↗ that's required we're talking about

59:02 ↗ dealing with the off-site impacts of the

59:05 ↗ stone grading outfall is that at this

59:08 ↗ point the issues that were referenced

59:10 ↗ indirectly in that condition are

59:12 ↗ existing city issues that are off-site

59:14 ↗ they have I think it was mentioned here

59:17 ↗ they have a flow spreader that's failing

59:18 ↗ or is surcharged I'm not sure why that

59:21 ↗ is

59:22 ↗ and they have a pipe that has been

59:24 ↗ crushed that will have to be replaced so

59:28 ↗ we do have substantial retainage systems

59:31 ↗ within our project in Phase three in

59:34 ↗ particular that will be constructed as

59:37 ↗ part of Phase three absolutely

59:39 ↗ oh yeah yeah yeah

59:48 ↗ their comments

59:55 ↗ thank you

59:57 ↗ thank you we will be here all night yeah

1:00:19 ↗ it seemed like there was some discussion

1:00:20 ↗ over the protocol or whatever the the

1:00:24 ↗ warrant for a traffic signal there and

1:00:26 ↗ it could a traffic engineer give us a

1:00:29 ↗ general explanation of how that what

1:00:32 ↗ what the requirement is for a traffic

1:00:34 ↗ signal it seemed like that was a

1:00:36 ↗ discussion later good evening my name is

1:00:43 ↗ Michael Reid I'm principal and founder

1:00:46 ↗ of transportation engineering Northwest

1:00:48 ↗ mailing address is PO Box six five two

1:00:51 ↗ five for Seattle ninety one fifty five I

1:00:55 ↗ can generally speak to the question

1:00:57 ↗ about signal warrants the manual on

1:01:02 ↗ uniform traffic control devices or mu T

1:01:05 ↗ CDs we call her short is a federal

1:01:07 ↗ standard that all transportation

1:01:09 ↗ engineering professionals follow and

1:01:11 ↗ local and state and other county

1:01:14 ↗ jurisdictions follow as well the reason

1:01:17 ↗ the primary reason why that is kind of

1:01:19 ↗ our one of our Bibles that we look at is

1:01:21 ↗ for the most part well several different

1:01:25 ↗ reasons protection of the traveling

1:01:27 ↗ public but also protection to the

1:01:30 ↗ jurisdictions that install and place

1:01:33 ↗ those things from a liability standpoint

1:01:36 ↗ if you installed any traffic control

1:01:38 ↗ device that's not warranted the

1:01:40 ↗ jurisdiction or the engineer for that

1:01:42 ↗ matter that makes that decision can be

1:01:44 ↗ held liable if it's not warranted when

1:01:46 ↗ someone has a collision there because

1:01:48 ↗ they make a right turn or a left turn on

1:01:51 ↗ red because there's nobody on the side

1:01:53 ↗ street and they just go because there's

1:01:56 ↗ no traffic so in the MU t CD there's a

1:02:01 ↗ series of warrants to warrant signal

1:02:05 ↗ control and

1:02:07 ↗ there's about nine different warrants

1:02:09 ↗ most of them are volume or delay

1:02:11 ↗ warrants there are warrants for four

1:02:14 ↗ hours a day eight hours a day peak hour

1:02:17 ↗ warrants so the the warrants look at

1:02:22 ↗ both traffic on the major street and

1:02:23 ↗ minor street typically the minor street

1:02:27 ↗ is the one that stopped controlled you

1:02:29 ↗ know intersecting a major arterial and

1:02:33 ↗ those get into the different volumes

1:02:37 ↗ have to occur over the course of

1:02:39 ↗ continuous hours or one peak hour or

1:02:42 ↗ what-have-you and they're there to

1:02:44 ↗ basically represent the relative delay

1:02:47 ↗ of side streets typical gaps that might

1:02:52 ↗ be available in traffic volume streams

1:02:55 ↗ of those different magnitudes

1:02:57 ↗ and the criteria are also adjusted

1:03:01 ↗ depending on the speed of the major

1:03:03 ↗ street or the size of the community

1:03:06 ↗ essentially a smaller community that

1:03:09 ↗ maybe has only 2,000 people that live in

1:03:11 ↗ it has a different warrant then the City

1:03:13 ↗ of Seattle does because the people in

1:03:16 ↗ Seattle tend to drive a little more mmm

1:03:20 ↗ I won't use the word aggressively but

1:03:23 ↗ they don't they're you know they're

1:03:25 ↗ willing to accept less gaps fewer gaps

1:03:28 ↗ or shorter gaps so there's other

1:03:32 ↗ criteria in the MU TCD safety being one

1:03:34 ↗ of them collision history pedestrian

1:03:38 ↗ demand that's there that needs to cross

1:03:40 ↗ the street and there's other other more

1:03:43 ↗ qualitative criteria that gets down to

1:03:46 ↗ you is a signal warranty given that we

1:03:49 ↗ have a system of other signals along an

1:03:52 ↗ arterial and this will just help

1:03:54 ↗ facilitate another point to connect to

1:03:57 ↗ it there's not a specific standard on

1:04:03 ↗ when you you can put in a signal because

1:04:06 ↗ it meets one warrant or it meets five

1:04:08 ↗ warrants it's really up to the judgment

1:04:10 ↗ of the engineer in this case and that

1:04:13 ↗ would be the city traffic engineer

1:04:16 ↗ Public Works Director so those are

1:04:19 ↗ that's kind of a general overview of

1:04:20 ↗ what signal warrants are thank you a

1:04:23 ↗ follow-up question I'm not sure if this

1:04:27 ↗ falls under your purview but there's a

1:04:29 ↗ pedestrian crossing proposed and I

1:04:32 ↗ assume that the the new phases it's

1:04:35 ↗ being used to access the amenity

1:04:38 ↗ facilities in the phase one and were

1:04:42 ↗ there any studies or is there a traffic

1:04:45 ↗ signal proposed at that crossing you're

1:04:48 ↗ talking about the one between phases one

1:04:50 ↗ and three or phases one to one that

1:04:53 ↗ crosses Sunrise plays Southwest I can

1:04:56 ↗ tell you

1:04:57 ↗ purely from a a warrant standpoint it

1:05:02 ↗ wouldn't meet it from either the

1:05:04 ↗ pedestrian demand or just the volume

1:05:06 ↗ that's on the roadway today or in the

1:05:08 ↗ future with a project I personally went

1:05:11 ↗ out and performed field visit there

1:05:14 ↗ looked at sight distance to confirm that

1:05:16 ↗ those were all met and I was able to

1:05:18 ↗ freely walk across the street with no

1:05:20 ↗ traffic at all

1:05:21 ↗ and didn't I think I only saw one car

1:05:23 ↗ and I was there for half an hour and

1:05:25 ↗ that's placed strategically such that

1:05:28 ↗ you do have distances correct it's also

1:05:32 ↗ placed strategically from what I would

1:05:36 ↗ call a pedestrian desire lined you know

1:05:39 ↗ you have pedestrian facilities that lead

1:05:40 ↗ you to a certain point and that point is

1:05:42 ↗ where you need to correct you know where

1:05:44 ↗ you logically would cross okay thank you

1:05:47 ↗ yeah speaking that can ask a question

1:05:49 ↗ about one of the conditions staff had

1:05:52 ↗ placed was to add a sidewalk at the

1:05:56 ↗ would be the west side of the street as

1:06:00 ↗ it connects to sunrise and the I guess I

1:06:07 ↗ had the question about and looking at

1:06:09 ↗ trying to figure out where pedestrians

1:06:10 ↗ will go and there would anybody use that

1:06:13 ↗ sidewalk that look at the people on the

1:06:16 ↗ east side thank you people right there

1:06:21 ↗ the people on the east side coming out

1:06:24 ↗ from Division

1:06:25 ↗ three would used to use outside walk and

1:06:28 ↗ the people guess I decide to walk would

1:06:30 ↗ only be used for people on the west side

1:06:33 ↗ of Division three but I think when I get

1:06:36 ↗ to the north west corner unit if you can

1:06:41 ↗ move the cursor which I guess down a

1:06:44 ↗ little bit to the other side of the

1:06:46 ↗ street right there so it's a sidewalk

1:06:49 ↗ from there to sunrise and it seems to me

1:06:51 ↗ it's a question as it seems like if I

1:06:53 ↗ were there I would just go straight

1:06:54 ↗ across for the street because there's no

1:06:57 ↗ sidewalk on the west side of sunrise

1:07:01 ↗ correct yes

1:07:02 ↗ so to that intersection do that right so

1:07:07 ↗ it seemed like I would just cross over

1:07:09 ↗ to the other side walk across the street

1:07:13 ↗ in other words I'm saying I don't know

1:07:14 ↗ that it's worth putting that other

1:07:17 ↗ sidewalk in if it takes up more

1:07:19 ↗ impervious surface when it does impact

1:07:22 ↗ the creeks buffer yeah so so that was a

1:07:26 ↗ staff generated condition right so if

1:07:30 ↗ you were walking from phase three to

1:07:34 ↗ Wildwood where would you go you're

1:07:38 ↗ pushed into the pavement right because

1:07:40 ↗ there's no continuous sidewalk there's

1:07:43 ↗ no well but there's no sidewalk on there

1:07:46 ↗ where he has to cursor there's no

1:07:47 ↗ sidewalk on the west side right you

1:07:49 ↗ cross you cross the street at that

1:07:52 ↗ intersection so you would so if I lived

1:07:54 ↗ in one any of the units on the south

1:07:57 ↗ side of Phase three I would want to walk

1:08:02 ↗ on a sidewalk all the way right and guy

1:08:06 ↗ was a missing piece that's right if were

1:08:08 ↗ me I would cross over if I were if

1:08:12 ↗ you're so if you're going if you're

1:08:13 ↗ going north right you're going to cross

1:08:16 ↗ over to the south side of the Phase

1:08:19 ↗ three road to go north yes because it's

1:08:22 ↗ a shorter distance no shorter distance

1:08:26 ↗ from that from there you get over to the

1:08:29 ↗ street it's a shorter distance to cross

1:08:31 ↗ there

1:08:32 ↗ then go around that curve I hear what

1:08:36 ↗ you're saying and I guess that would be

1:08:38 ↗ the question from a traffic engineer

1:08:41 ↗ looking at the plan you talked about

1:08:42 ↗ pedestrian movements where are they

1:08:46 ↗ gonna cross is that your question well

1:08:49 ↗ pedestrians cross wherever they want to

1:08:51 ↗ really even in where it's not allowed

1:08:54 ↗ you know in that's you know there's

1:08:59 ↗ still a lot of debate in whether or not

1:09:01 ↗ you put a marked crosswalk anywhere

1:09:03 ↗ these days sunrise just within yeah

1:09:06 ↗ Division three so pedestrians are gonna

1:09:09 ↗ walk whatever and different pedestrians

1:09:12 ↗ are just like different drivers they're

1:09:13 ↗ gonna take a different route to get the

1:09:15 ↗ same direction so a pedestrian is going

1:09:17 ↗ to take whatever path they want to take

1:09:19 ↗ if they're comfortable walking down on

1:09:21 ↗ the west side then they'll take it auto

1:09:23 ↗ or they'll just cross the street

1:09:24 ↗ wherever they feel more comfortable

1:09:30 ↗ thank you

1:09:33 ↗ question on that sundries place

1:09:37 ↗ Southwest where does that lead to that

1:09:40 ↗ road that goes up there is there a park

1:09:43 ↗ there this road or this road that drove

1:09:47 ↗ the second one yeah going up to the from

1:09:49 ↗ my understanding that just dead ends

1:09:54 ↗ well it goes up and eventually it

1:09:57 ↗ doesn't connect anywhere else but to

1:09:59 ↗ where it connects to other neighborhoods

1:10:02 ↗ up there but it doesn't go anything

1:10:03 ↗ anywhere beyond that oh okay

1:10:06 ↗ so we know how much or how many homes

1:10:08 ↗ there are up there

1:10:10 ↗ I do not know that off the top of my

1:10:11 ↗ head there do you eat okay yeah I like

1:10:18 ↗ the concept of phase two and phase three

1:10:20 ↗ and then you have your face one earlier

1:10:23 ↗ are you going to have a sinus as you're

1:10:26 ↗ entering curry development and then on

1:10:31 ↗ the other side you have inner sciences

1:10:33 ↗ you're exiting carry or welcomewelcome

1:10:35 ↗ something like that that bonds it as a

1:10:38 ↗ development as a name you know there's

1:10:40 ↗ an existing sign out at this

1:10:42 ↗ intersection currently that is

1:10:44 ↗ be relocated in some manner alright I

1:10:46 ↗ don't think they're gonna have there's

1:10:49 ↗ gonna be another sign down here but just

1:10:52 ↗ to let people know that this is calc re

1:10:54 ↗ yeah decide there are other homes up

1:10:57 ↗ there are 38 homes up there so they'll

1:10:59 ↗ be using that road to come down here

1:11:01 ↗ then yeah come down the hill mm-hmm I

1:11:06 ↗ had one more follow-up question sorry I

1:11:09 ↗ should have a tag this on my last

1:11:11 ↗ comment so the existing trail that's

1:11:15 ↗ being moved 15 feet and you're

1:11:18 ↗ reconstructing a stair right right there

1:11:21 ↗ does that connect to a trail then across

1:11:23 ↗ the street no it doesn't actually

1:11:27 ↗ rich Wagner again you basically you come

1:11:32 ↗ you arrive to the top there you take a

1:11:34 ↗ couple three breaths because it's a nice

1:11:36 ↗ little climb up check both ways and

1:11:38 ↗ cross the street we've talked about

1:11:41 ↗ whether it should be a crosswalk there

1:11:42 ↗ and that was not supported in our

1:11:46 ↗ studies just because of the amount of

1:11:49 ↗ traffic and again as Mike mentioned when

1:11:52 ↗ you paint a crosswalk you and for a

1:11:53 ↗ safety that's not really there oh I'm

1:12:01 ↗ sorry yes it is here a connection there

1:12:03 ↗ and then you walk on the sidewalk what

1:12:05 ↗ maybe 50 feet 100 feet something like

1:12:07 ↗ that okay and then it heads up

1:12:16 ↗ and I guess that was my question then

1:12:18 ↗ would would a demarcation of that

1:12:20 ↗ crossing be prudent it sounds like

1:12:23 ↗ you've addressed that and determined

1:12:25 ↗ that no it would be there you know when

1:12:28 ↗ I when I go back and look at the

1:12:30 ↗ original plans from 98 97 the concepts

1:12:33 ↗ that trail came up here and crossed

1:12:36 ↗ straight away but then there was a

1:12:37 ↗ really nice wetland down here identified

1:12:40 ↗ and so when they when the route was

1:12:41 ↗ finally built it was routed around that

1:12:43 ↗ wetland okay thank you

1:12:49 ↗ question is cheerin not not traffic but

1:12:52 ↗ this is for mr. Reid mr. Wagner faced

1:12:56 ↗ one you have it's all done it's nice and

1:13:00 ↗ you've you said as a follow-up to the

1:13:02 ↗ phase two and three are the four plants

1:13:05 ↗ similar to face one for phase two and

1:13:09 ↗ three all right no in fact that's one of

1:13:12 ↗ the changes that's happened in the

1:13:14 ↗ marketplace the phase one is theirs

1:13:21 ↗ they're condominiums and they're all

1:13:25 ↗ flat apartments three levels up serviced

1:13:28 ↗ with an elevator parking below in a

1:13:31 ↗ subgrade garage or daylight garage phase

1:13:35 ↗ two and three are gonna be townhomes

1:13:37 ↗ so they're again three stories but each

1:13:45 ↗ level each townhome would have its own

1:13:47 ↗ entrance okay okay but the elevations

1:13:53 ↗ you're trying to copy that of face one

1:13:58 ↗ well I hesitate to say copy but let me

1:14:01 ↗ say mimic yeah this is a good example

1:14:05 ↗ and one of the things that we've been

1:14:06 ↗ proposing to do to get those big roofs

1:14:08 ↗ you know you can see if you look very

1:14:11 ↗ carefully in a grading plan which I

1:14:13 ↗ would not encourage you because it's

1:14:15 ↗ real detailed there's sometimes minor

1:14:19 ↗ steps as you go down the hill here just

1:14:22 ↗ to connect to the grade but to get the

1:14:24 ↗ big roofs

1:14:25 ↗ we're looking at some of the upper

1:14:27 ↗ floors having a plate line a little

1:14:29 ↗ higher than the higher floor here and

1:14:32 ↗ that allows us to thrust that roof

1:14:33 ↗ across okay can you go to it's like 20

1:14:36 ↗ to the next one up okay

1:14:40 ↗ now looking at this you know I couldn't

1:14:42 ↗ tell which is real which is existing and

1:14:45 ↗ which is a proposal I take the existing

1:14:52 ↗ computers are pretty amazing yeah yeah

1:14:54 ↗ these two are proposed okay these are

1:14:58 ↗ pictures of existing phase one okay so

1:15:02 ↗ the elevation you're trying to stay with

1:15:06 ↗ the same modulation I think I like your

1:15:10 ↗ idea about the vertical modulation as

1:15:12 ↗ well where's the other one it's because

1:15:15 ↗ it's a four-story you're pretty much

1:15:17 ↗ forced to have vertical modulation down

1:15:21 ↗ to a minimum the new ones the proposed

1:15:26 ↗ one yeah a lot of modulation which is

1:15:28 ↗ good thank you okay ask a question think

1:15:34 ↗ while we're talking about floor plans

1:15:36 ↗ I'm trying to get my head around density

1:15:39 ↗ a little bit obviously the impervious

1:15:41 ↗ surface has gone down square footage is

1:15:43 ↗ down but

1:15:49 ↗ and so so in the previous scheme how

1:15:54 ↗ many bedrooms were in the the previous

1:15:56 ↗ scheme per unit would you say on average

1:15:59 ↗ was it two bedrooms probably average two

1:16:02 ↗ now I'm going back many years okay but I

1:16:06 ↗ don't think there's any one bedrooms

1:16:07 ↗ no one bedrooms okay not in the current

1:16:12 ↗ design in what we're proposing right

1:16:16 ↗ correct all of them now are three and

1:16:18 ↗ four bedrooms correct some would have an

1:16:20 ↗ alternate den bedroom media room but you

1:16:23 ↗ have tonight for sure so I'm trying to

1:16:25 ↗ just get my head around density and so

1:16:27 ↗ let's just say at one hundred and sixty

1:16:29 ↗ two units there may be two occupants per

1:16:33 ↗ unit just as an average that's three

1:16:37 ↗ hundred twenty four occupants and at 72

1:16:40 ↗ units say potentially say potentially

1:16:44 ↗ four occupants per unit as you can't say

1:16:48 ↗ how many people are gonna yank you buy

1:16:50 ↗ it but what's the density per unit could

1:16:53 ↗ go up but the unit goes down to 288 so

1:16:57 ↗ it's more of just a question do you feel

1:16:59 ↗ overall that the density will be lower

1:17:01 ↗ with the proposed scheme density

1:17:05 ↗ measured in occupants occupant yes I

1:17:10 ↗ think it could be a little higher okay

1:17:14 ↗ you know how you know what's that what's

1:17:16 ↗ the median size of a family in Issaquah

1:17:19 ↗ who point at entry point for I don't

1:17:24 ↗ know three point three two point two

1:17:26 ↗ okay yeah obviously you can't predict

1:17:28 ↗ that you know I'm just I'm just trying

1:17:31 ↗ to get my head around obviously the

1:17:33 ↗ project is smaller but could there be

1:17:38 ↗ potentially more people and as a result

1:17:41 ↗ automobiles traffic etc in the proposed

1:17:44 ↗ scheme yes people I know that there was

1:17:49 ↗ some discussion about whether whether

1:17:51 ↗ we're gonna allow children and Issaquah

1:17:52 ↗ or in this project that might be a

1:17:56 ↗ change I don't know if there's children

1:17:58 ↗ living in phase one now

1:18:01 ↗ the traffic again parking

1:18:05 ↗ we've got really plenty of parking we've

1:18:08 ↗ got two stalls in every garage plus

1:18:10 ↗ we've got guest parking will that work

1:18:15 ↗ you know I Drive through single-family

1:18:17 ↗ neighborhoods all the time and think it

1:18:19 ↗ should work but no one's putting their

1:18:20 ↗ car in the garage i we all can point to

1:18:25 ↗ those okay then the last question I had

1:18:29 ↗ is will the townhomes be held in

1:18:31 ↗ ownership the same way the condominium

1:18:33 ↗ as well meaning are they are they

1:18:35 ↗ participating in the Association and

1:18:37 ↗ will they have access to the amenities

1:18:39 ↗ yes and yes okay thank you

1:18:43 ↗ I should note on that the amenities of

1:18:48 ↗ phase the residents of phase one will

1:18:51 ↗ also have access to the amenities of two

1:18:53 ↗ and three okay we're trying to trying to

1:18:57 ↗ keep a neighborhood yeah all right thank

1:19:00 ↗ you very much further comments from the

1:19:03 ↗ commissioners what I'd like to do is

1:19:07 ↗ open the discussion to the public after

1:19:10 ↗ that discussion will we'll have our

1:19:14 ↗ closing discussion all right so at this

1:19:17 ↗ point I'd like to call Joanne Van Dusen

1:19:21 ↗ remember

1:19:30 ↗ but asked you to state your name and

1:19:32 ↗ address for that my name okay can you

1:19:43 ↗ hear me okay my name is Joe and Anderson

1:19:48 ↗ I've been phase one building see second

1:19:53 ↗ floor one-bedroom corner unit right next

1:19:57 ↗ to the wetland and the beautiful Creek

1:20:00 ↗ if I'm a little stiff today I just got

1:20:04 ↗ off of a very long flight and one of the

1:20:10 ↗ things over Labor Day weekend was a show

1:20:15 ↗ that said what is one of your memorable

1:20:18 ↗ things from the summer my memorable

1:20:22 ↗ thing from this summer was coming in to

1:20:26 ↗ kill Kerry I've been there 16 years and

1:20:35 ↗ for me the most memorable thing was

1:20:38 ↗ coming into Cal carry the beautiful

1:20:41 ↗ trees that I hope will not be cut down

1:20:42 ↗ and the deer crossing Cabin Creek Lane

1:20:48 ↗ right by the clubhouse they eat up on

1:20:52 ↗ the hill where one of the buildings just

1:20:55 ↗ gonna go they cost Kevin Creek Lane and

1:20:58 ↗ they eat on the other side where the

1:21:01 ↗ next building is not gonna go so for me

1:21:08 ↗ whenever I see that it's like what's

1:21:12 ↗ going to happen to them

1:21:14 ↗ this is my second meeting that I went to

1:21:19 ↗ and I went to the so called town hall

1:21:25 ↗ they had at the phase one and the

1:21:30 ↗ meeting became so contentious

1:21:32 ↗ [Applause]

1:21:34 ↗ my question never did get answered and I

1:21:37 ↗ packed up and I walked out and that's

1:21:40 ↗ actually why my neighbor didn't come

1:21:42 ↗ because she was afraid that she was

1:21:45 ↗ going to encounter one of the similar

1:21:47 ↗ things but I came to many of the many of

1:21:53 ↗ the development meetings that the City

1:21:56 ↗ Hall that you people have had so the

1:22:00 ↗ questions that I had for me were how

1:22:04 ↗ many trees you're gonna cut down what's

1:22:06 ↗ gonna happen to the beer and the noise

1:22:09 ↗ that's going to impact me in the corner

1:22:12 ↗ there and I was listening to your

1:22:17 ↗ comments the person here in the corner I

1:22:20 ↗ don't know what your name is and you

1:22:22 ↗ said that there's a condition where the

1:22:27 ↗ construction traffic will not use the

1:22:30 ↗ turnaround on Sunrise place then first I

1:22:33 ↗ know exactly where that is that's a big

1:22:35 ↗ colder sack so where I live in the

1:22:40 ↗ building I don't know if you can put

1:22:42 ↗ that up there but there's like there's

1:22:45 ↗ like a little turn around so are the

1:22:50 ↗ construction people going to come down

1:22:52 ↗ that Street and then turn around by the

1:22:54 ↗ by the sea building and then go out I

1:23:00 ↗ don't know where that matters can you

1:23:02 ↗ put that thing up there and when you

1:23:06 ↗ come down Cabin Creek Lane and then the

1:23:11 ↗ C building is here the back of the B

1:23:14 ↗ building and then there's like a little

1:23:15 ↗ turn around by the picnic area right

1:23:22 ↗ there yeah right here right there so

1:23:27 ↗ what I'm concerned about is the

1:23:29 ↗ construction is only going to be 8 to 4

1:23:33 ↗ so maybe they start arriving at 7:00 and

1:23:36 ↗ they'll run their dump trucks or

1:23:38 ↗ whatever right around in there well my

1:23:41 ↗ bedroom happens to be right on the

1:23:43 ↗ street there so what's going to happen

1:23:45 ↗ to the client privacy of me so whoever

1:23:52 ↗ has control over keeping your dumptrucks

1:23:55 ↗ in your trucks out of there put that on

1:23:57 ↗ your list please and there was at the

1:24:06 ↗ town hall at Cal Kerry somebody

1:24:08 ↗ mentioned on the plans that there was

1:24:11 ↗ supposed to be a trail that was going to

1:24:15 ↗ be right along

1:24:16 ↗ the C building on that one side where

1:24:21 ↗ the creek is and the wetland and that's

1:24:24 ↗ all growing up now so I don't know how

1:24:26 ↗ they're gonna squeeze a little trail in

1:24:28 ↗ there for public for the public because

1:24:32 ↗ I thought that wetland was preserved and

1:24:36 ↗ you do not cut you do not cut trees down

1:24:39 ↗ that was the other thing how many trees

1:24:41 ↗ are gonna cut down because it seems like

1:24:43 ↗ they're gonna take quite a few trees so

1:24:48 ↗ I think I have covered everything thank

1:24:52 ↗ you very much Thank You Linda spring

1:25:00 ↗ Minh

1:25:06 ↗ thank you good evening Linda spring Minh

1:25:09 ↗ I live it

1:25:10 ↗ 101 5 first place southeast in Issaquah

1:25:12 ↗ which I'm going to try and put this

1:25:14 ↗ microphone back which is in the

1:25:17 ↗ foothills development and right below

1:25:18 ↗ the phase 1 development of Kelkar II I

1:25:22 ↗ spoke two weeks ago so I'll try not to

1:25:25 ↗ be too repetitive but I was interested

1:25:27 ↗ to see in in the packet that was posted

1:25:31 ↗ on the website that some of the things

1:25:33 ↗ that were brought up were addressed and

1:25:34 ↗ I felt like some were explained away but

1:25:38 ↗ not really addressed so there's a couple

1:25:40 ↗ things that I just wanted to cover with

1:25:42 ↗ you and one is that I will be repetitive

1:25:44 ↗ when I tell you that I strongly believe

1:25:48 ↗ that decisions we made 20 years ago

1:25:51 ↗ should not be made using the same data

1:25:54 ↗ and I would refer you to page 19 of 36

1:26:00 ↗ in the packet where you've identified

1:26:02 ↗ what standards are being used to make

1:26:05 ↗ the decisions on this project it looks

1:26:09 ↗ like the two areas that are of my

1:26:11 ↗ biggest concern then I'm going to talk

1:26:13 ↗ about today are using 1999 approval

1:26:16 ↗ standards and those are the geotechnical

1:26:18 ↗ evaluation of manmade slopes and the

1:26:21 ↗ traffic impact fee and what I would ask

1:26:23 ↗ is if somebody can clarify for me what

1:26:27 ↗ the standards were in 1999 and how those

1:26:30 ↗ differ from what they are today in 2017

1:26:33 ↗ if they're no different that's helpful

1:26:35 ↗ to know but if there are things that

1:26:37 ↗ have changed in the standards between

1:26:38 ↗ that time I'd like to know what they are

1:26:40 ↗ so that we know what compromises were

1:26:43 ↗ making related to both of those areas

1:26:47 ↗ the the one of the things that came up

1:26:50 ↗ earlier was the request for a signal at

1:26:53 ↗ sunrise and Wildwood and I'm not sure I

1:26:57 ↗ really remember that but I may have been

1:27:00 ↗ the person who led us astray because I

1:27:02 ↗ was confused last presentation the

1:27:05 ↗ traffic area that is the huge concern

1:27:08 ↗ for us right now getting to our

1:27:10 ↗ neighborhood is at the intersection of

1:27:13 ↗ Newport way and Wildwood which is down

1:27:16 ↗ the hill about half

1:27:18 ↗ half a mile towards Wildwood from the

1:27:20 ↗ calc re-development another half mile

1:27:22 ↗ down the hill to Newport way but traffic

1:27:25 ↗ jam goes all the way back to the

1:27:28 ↗ elementary school frequently multiple

1:27:30 ↗ nights a week and efforts to try and

1:27:33 ↗ come up with a solution to that have

1:27:35 ↗ been unsuccessful so far suggesting that

1:27:38 ↗ they keep the traffic going towards

1:27:42 ↗ towards a long Newport Way east into

1:27:46 ↗ this into the left-hand lane so that

1:27:48 ↗ people wanting to go up to the

1:27:50 ↗ neighborhood TURN RIGHT people last time

1:27:52 ↗ talked about how residents trying to

1:27:57 ↗ access Wildwood will stay in the left

1:27:59 ↗ lane and then when the traffic has

1:28:00 ↗ stopped turned right in front of them

1:28:02 ↗ which is highly unsafe

1:28:04 ↗ I have many times detour a mountain park

1:28:06 ↗ gone all the way around the hill to get

1:28:09 ↗ down to or to sunrise place because it

1:28:13 ↗ would just take an inordinate amount of

1:28:14 ↗ time to get to the turn signal so what I

1:28:18 ↗ would ask instead of just telling you

1:28:20 ↗ what the problem is I have a suggestion

1:28:22 ↗ what I would like us to do is see if we

1:28:25 ↗ can do a traffic study so that I don't

1:28:29 ↗ know what the requirements are with the

1:28:30 ↗ amount of traffic at a signal needs to

1:28:33 ↗ be but I would love it if we could do a

1:28:35 ↗ traffic signal review to see what kind

1:28:38 ↗ of traffic is using that what the

1:28:40 ↗ backups are like and so we can try and

1:28:42 ↗ remediate that I know it's I know it's

1:28:45 ↗ fewer people that Worthen were

1:28:47 ↗ originally approved for this development

1:28:49 ↗ but it is gonna be additional traffic

1:28:51 ↗ than there is today and it's already

1:28:53 ↗ just really impossible to get to the

1:28:55 ↗ neighborhood that the second thing I

1:28:58 ↗ wanted to address is regarding the Geo

1:29:00 ↗ surveys and I am NOT an expert on this

1:29:04 ↗ and I know that a lot of really smart

1:29:06 ↗ people have done a lot of work on trying

1:29:08 ↗ to understand the the stability of the

1:29:12 ↗ ground that we're talking about I know

1:29:14 ↗ that 500 feet away to me does not seem

1:29:17 ↗ like a very long distance to have had a

1:29:20 ↗ landslide and I get that the ground

1:29:22 ↗ changes every 10 feet or I don't know

1:29:23 ↗ how often but to me something within 500

1:29:26 ↗ feet that had a landslide is really

1:29:28 ↗ concerning to me I

1:29:30 ↗ know that when the Tallis development

1:29:33 ↗ was being made there were probably

1:29:34 ↗ geological surveys done and a landslide

1:29:38 ↗ happened oh so I think people knew that

1:29:40 ↗ there was a possibility but a lot of

1:29:43 ↗ really smart people built and there was

1:29:45 ↗ a landslide so I am uncomfortable with

1:29:47 ↗ it and I think you are too and I will

1:29:50 ↗ refer you to the it was item 7 and 150

1:29:57 ↗ page packet from two weeks ago that

1:29:59 ↗ talked about the steep slope

1:30:00 ↗ indemnification there's only one place

1:30:03 ↗ in the 150 pages where there was

1:30:05 ↗ discussion of this and it said prior to

1:30:07 ↗ issuance of a building permit the

1:30:09 ↗ applicant shall establish a mechanism

1:30:11 ↗ acceptable to the city which notifies

1:30:13 ↗ future buyers of the apartment it's less

1:30:15 ↗ condominium units or Lots that the steep

1:30:18 ↗ slope buffers were reduced and that

1:30:20 ↗ development has occurred within 50 feet

1:30:22 ↗ of a steep slope the applicant shall

1:30:24 ↗ execute an agreement that indemnifies

1:30:27 ↗ and holds the city harmless for

1:30:29 ↗ development within 50 feet of the steep

1:30:32 ↗ slopes to me that says you have a

1:30:34 ↗ question too so I would like further

1:30:37 ↗ review done I think it this goes back to

1:30:41 ↗ that we're using a 1999 standard and I

1:30:43 ↗ just would like us to triple check that

1:30:46 ↗ nothing's gonna happen thanks for your

1:30:48 ↗ time so thank you I can't tell if that's

1:30:57 ↗ Mary Ann or Marva and crane

1:31:09 ↗ I'm Maryann crane 12:32 sunrise plays

1:31:12 ↗ southeast and Issaquah so live in the

1:31:14 ↗ foothills as does Linda spring men

1:31:17 ↗ certainly agree with everything she said

1:31:19 ↗ I did send comments and that I think you

1:31:22 ↗ referred to I couldn't hear you quite

1:31:24 ↗ well one of them was about the

1:31:25 ↗ construction hours that she said you're

1:31:27 ↗ going to talk about later one of our big

1:31:30 ↗ concerns is parking and access into the

1:31:37 ↗ foothills which is the development after

1:31:39 ↗ kill Cory you asked about that earlier

1:31:41 ↗ there's 38 homes there in the first and

1:31:43 ↗ second cul-de-sacs I did see something

1:31:47 ↗ that talked about perhaps suggesting

1:31:50 ↗ traffic be restricted to one side of the

1:31:53 ↗ street but I didn't see anything that

1:31:55 ↗ said a decision had been made and I

1:31:57 ↗ think it's really important that that be

1:31:59 ↗ we have some assurance that that's going

1:32:01 ↗ to happen now when people use the trail

1:32:03 ↗ and they hike and they park on both

1:32:06 ↗ sides of the street you can see it's

1:32:08 ↗ very very narrow the Issaquah School

1:32:10 ↗ District determined that they couldn't

1:32:12 ↗ even get their buses down pascale carry

1:32:15 ↗ into foothills and the only stop is at

1:32:17 ↗ the corner of Wildwood and sunrise place

1:32:20 ↗ that Linda talked about and school buses

1:32:22 ↗ are shorter than fire engines etc so

1:32:25 ↗ that's a very big concern we have about

1:32:27 ↗ emergency vehicles having access and

1:32:29 ↗ honestly construction workers I'm not

1:32:33 ↗ sure where they're gonna park but they

1:32:34 ↗ shouldn't be parking on the I on that

1:32:36 ↗ road either so I think it's really

1:32:38 ↗ important that it be designated a fire

1:32:41 ↗ lane as we have down where we live in

1:32:43 ↗ the foothills we don't have parking on

1:32:45 ↗ the one side all the way down through

1:32:47 ↗ the cul-de-sacs it's a fire lane all the

1:32:49 ↗ way and we really would urge that you

1:32:52 ↗ all consider that and and see that it's

1:32:54 ↗ enforced I'm not a traffic person but I

1:32:58 ↗ don't understand what the numbers were

1:33:00 ↗ on that chart you made reference to the

1:33:03 ↗ fact that they're townhouses well I

1:33:05 ↗ think there's going to be at least two

1:33:06 ↗ cars in each maybe three that bumps the

1:33:10 ↗ number from 72 to close to 150 your

1:33:13 ↗ chart indicated only 26 cars would make

1:33:19 ↗ an a.m. trip at peak that's 1/6

1:33:23 ↗ of the vehicles that are going to be

1:33:25 ↗ there I'm just not clear where those

1:33:27 ↗ numbers are coming from most people are

1:33:30 ↗ gonna go to work and they're gonna go a

1:33:32 ↗ rush hour so how 26 from 150 or 160 I

1:33:36 ↗ don't know 33 in peak hours on the p.m.

1:33:40 ↗ I'm not sure how we got that low of a

1:33:42 ↗ number either so I'd like some

1:33:45 ↗ clarification on that thank you for your

1:33:47 ↗ time Richard Kendall

1:33:58 ↗ good evening I'm Richard Kendall at 1 1

1:34:01 ↗ 6 Northwest 70th Seattle 981 1/7 I am

1:34:05 ↗ NOT going to speak tonight but I would

1:34:06 ↗ like to submit into public record two

1:34:09 ↗ letters from area residents that could

1:34:11 ↗ not be here tonight that are in support

1:34:12 ↗ of the project I do that from here yes

1:34:15 ↗ thank you

1:34:23 ↗ so that's everybody that signed in if

1:34:27 ↗ you would like to speak I'd encourage

1:34:29 ↗ you to come and sign in and we'll hi my

1:34:47 ↗ name is Tom McDonald I live at one two

1:34:49 ↗ to seven sunrise place southeast to

1:34:51 ↗ Washington 1987 and I think one of

1:34:56 ↗ the primary things I want to talk about

1:34:57 ↗ is the traffic part so if these are

1:34:59 ↗ houses they're going to be I will say

1:35:02 ↗ kill car is a pretty nice development

1:35:03 ↗ the first couple places as far as

1:35:04 ↗ architectural and so the places is the

1:35:07 ↗ new development this we put up are going

1:35:08 ↗ to be I would say probably gonna be

1:35:11 ↗ pretty expensive which means people are

1:35:12 ↗ going to have to work to buy those which

1:35:15 ↗ means they're going to be leaving early

1:35:16 ↗ in the morning so the 26 trips a day

1:35:18 ↗ just doesn't make sense I would say that

1:35:21 ↗ that's obably gonna be the least one car

1:35:23 ↗ per household this can be leaving early

1:35:24 ↗ in the morning the afternoon may vary

1:35:26 ↗ because the p.m. fair so will vary based

1:35:28 ↗ on work session but in the morning again

1:35:30 ↗ it kids up school going to work that's

1:35:32 ↗ all going to be a pretty much that

1:35:33 ↗ timeframe that they're going to be going

1:35:34 ↗ out I would agree that I think a traffic

1:35:37 ↗ light at sunrise and Maude would is not

1:35:40 ↗ a good option because of the way it's

1:35:41 ↗ coming down they'll induce accidents if

1:35:43 ↗ that happens but where there is a

1:35:45 ↗ problem is at Wildwood and Newport where

1:35:52 ↗ there's two lanes when you're going

1:35:53 ↗ eastbound in Newport is if you're going

1:35:55 ↗ to go south on Front Street people

1:35:57 ↗ occupy as was mentioned earlier at the

1:35:59 ↗ right hand lane to continue right to

1:36:00 ↗ take a right turn where that right-hand

1:36:02 ↗ Lane could be a right turn only on the

1:36:04 ↗ Wildwood that would help part of it and

1:36:06 ↗ the inside lane would be the through

1:36:09 ↗ Lane once you get through the

1:36:10 ↗ intersection of Wildwood then that could

1:36:11 ↗ split and they can go into you the lane

1:36:12 ↗ after that that helped some of the back

1:36:14 ↗ up there although the backup does go

1:36:16 ↗ back up to the elementary school and to

1:36:18 ↗ target target so I think some

1:36:22 ↗ clarification on how that trip number 26

1:36:25 ↗ came up is the main question I have and

1:36:28 ↗ also I think come for our Keith for

1:36:31 ↗ information provided as far as the

1:36:33 ↗ cold sack turned around in in first

1:36:36 ↗ place the other question I have comes

1:36:39 ↗ back to playgrounds in area and one of

1:36:44 ↗ our concerns is we have a play yard that

1:36:46 ↗ has swing set slides as basketball court

1:36:49 ↗ and if there is nothing like that in

1:36:50 ↗ this development that they're going to

1:36:51 ↗ be migrating down to our playground and

1:36:54 ↗ that opens our liability potential for

1:36:57 ↗ accidents they might happen in our area

1:36:59 ↗ where if they don't have anything in

1:37:00 ↗ there in this development that might

1:37:02 ↗ provide for the same amenities for for

1:37:05 ↗ the range of youth that are going to be

1:37:06 ↗ living there that's it thank you thank

1:37:11 ↗ you

1:37:11 ↗ you don't forget don't forget to sign in

1:37:14 ↗ please

1:37:30 ↗ hello my name is my name is Pat Duke

1:37:35 ↗ I live on 375 southeast Crossland Lane

1:37:38 ↗ in Issaquah in Old Town really close to

1:37:42 ↗ here

1:37:44 ↗ I have probably gone hiking walk from my

1:37:48 ↗ house up there and taking those little

1:37:50 ↗ trails and honestly I didn't know that

1:37:53 ↗ that Traverse Trail existed until about

1:37:56 ↗ six months ago so here for years I've

1:37:59 ↗ been you know going down and walking

1:38:02 ↗ along the street and down through

1:38:03 ↗ Sycamore when I you know didn't want to

1:38:07 ↗ be up in the woods it was too late in

1:38:08 ↗ the day or with the weather was awful

1:38:09 ↗ I've probably been in that neighborhood

1:38:12 ↗ walked it been on the existing trail

1:38:15 ↗ that goes you know down what do they

1:38:18 ↗ call that the down long Cabin Creek

1:38:20 ↗ there at least a hundred times and so

1:38:24 ↗ Raymond I wanted to let you know that I

1:38:28 ↗ forgot anyway if you want if you want to

1:38:32 ↗ go for a walk there sometime I'll take

1:38:34 ↗ you through that area because when you

1:38:37 ↗ were talking I could just tell I thought

1:38:39 ↗ you can't visualize what's here also

1:38:42 ↗ that little trail that's down there now

1:38:44 ↗ I don't know if the city has a

1:38:45 ↗ responsibility for that or if the carry

1:38:49 ↗ has a responsibility for it it's so

1:38:51 ↗ decrepit right now there are a couple

1:38:53 ↗ itty bitty bridges on it and and I mean

1:38:56 ↗ they're just literally falling apart

1:38:58 ↗ that but anyway what I want to say is

1:39:02 ↗ I've been up in that Hill a lot now in

1:39:06 ↗ the last six months I was there last

1:39:08 ↗ Sunday with Janet wall and I don't know

1:39:11 ↗ how many of you know her but she's been

1:39:13 ↗ for a long long time on the rivers and

1:39:16 ↗ streams fort in Issaquah she's a very

1:39:19 ↗ well respected scientist and and she's

1:39:22 ↗ lived in it's aquifer very long time and

1:39:25 ↗ she just loves his town and has a great

1:39:28 ↗ deal of interest in it as do I

1:39:30 ↗ and by the way I've been here since 1986

1:39:33 ↗ and I've been a homeowner the whole time

1:39:35 ↗ I'm here so I just want to say that I I

1:39:39 ↗ think this planning is

1:39:41 ↗ beautiful I think it's you know very

1:39:43 ↗ well then

1:39:44 ↗ I was impressed with the architectural

1:39:46 ↗ plans and everything and with the

1:39:48 ↗ sensitivity of things like impervious

1:39:50 ↗ surfaces there is a tremendous amount of

1:39:54 ↗ water coming down that hill I'm a native

1:39:58 ↗ plant steward and I was with Janet who

1:40:01 ↗ knows a lot about the rivers and streams

1:40:03 ↗ and she could hardly believe her eyes

1:40:06 ↗ she said I've never been on a trail

1:40:08 ↗ there there are certain plants that grow

1:40:11 ↗ where there has to be a lot of water and

1:40:15 ↗ and one of them as I mentioned before is

1:40:17 ↗ Maiden Hill maiden hair ferns that come

1:40:20 ↗ growing right out straight out of the

1:40:21 ↗ hillside and just as far as your eye can

1:40:24 ↗ see

1:40:24 ↗ you know there's banks of them and

1:40:27 ↗ pretty much that happens where there's

1:40:29 ↗ water seeping there's a creek that was

1:40:34 ↗ there were two creeks running on that

1:40:36 ↗ little traverse that goes between this

1:40:39 ↗ area and an Sycamore there are two

1:40:43 ↗ creeps surrounding two weeks ago

1:40:45 ↗ last Sunday one of them was barely

1:40:48 ↗ ringing and although the other one was

1:40:50 ↗ running running just fine so there are

1:40:54 ↗ some places where water I guess could

1:40:56 ↗ drain into those creeks as long as it

1:40:59 ↗ can drain there and still say stay clean

1:41:01 ↗ because those are really untouched areas

1:41:04 ↗ I'm gonna react sten my invitation and

1:41:07 ↗ say that if anybody wants go on this

1:41:10 ↗ hike it's only one mile it doesn't take

1:41:12 ↗ very long you know please send me an

1:41:16 ↗ email or give me a call and I'd be glad

1:41:18 ↗ to take you up there if you just want to

1:41:20 ↗ go up there and walk on the streets I'm

1:41:22 ↗ I'm just pretty familiar with that area

1:41:25 ↗ I also want to say that that I I agree

1:41:30 ↗ with Melvin when you talked about

1:41:33 ↗ walking up there I I think you know even

1:41:37 ↗ though obviously you know I'm gonna go

1:41:40 ↗ where there's a sidewalk but but I agree

1:41:44 ↗ that it seems really natural to cross

1:41:46 ↗ the sidewalk across sunset there and and

1:41:50 ↗ walk where the sidewalk already exists

1:41:52 ↗ right now you talked about you

1:41:55 ↗ you know do you need those extra

1:41:57 ↗ sidewalks and anyway I don't know when

1:42:01 ↗ by the time you get all these other cars

1:42:04 ↗ there and I think I don't know I mean do

1:42:08 ↗ they actually have no children allowed

1:42:11 ↗ or something like that I mean I can't

1:42:13 ↗ see having townhouses that are three and

1:42:15 ↗ four-bedroom and building by a forest I

1:42:19 ↗ mean if I had a family young family and

1:42:21 ↗ had the many buy one of those I mean I

1:42:23 ↗ definitely here's a place where I can

1:42:26 ↗ take my kids out onto their trail and

1:42:28 ↗ down to the creek and all that sort of

1:42:30 ↗ things so I really think that's going to

1:42:31 ↗ be family I think you're going to have

1:42:33 ↗ at least two cars how many parents don't

1:42:38 ↗ take their kids preschoolers and

1:42:40 ↗ children to school nowadays and how many

1:42:43 ↗ parents live in a family were only one

1:42:46 ↗ of them works so I think if you have 72

1:42:48 ↗ new units going in you can count on at

1:42:50 ↗ least 144 cars going out of there every

1:42:53 ↗ day I also want to say because I've

1:42:56 ↗ walked this area so much that that

1:42:59 ↗ intersection of Wildwood and Newport not

1:43:03 ↗ only is that hazardous for cars but

1:43:06 ↗ that's hazardous for pedestrians I often

1:43:09 ↗ walk over by the Salmon Hatchery and and

1:43:13 ↗ cross the street there where there's a I

1:43:15 ↗ I think you just step on a pad and it

1:43:18 ↗ blinks a light and cars you know know

1:43:20 ↗ that you're waiting across the street

1:43:22 ↗ that's fine by me I like that better

1:43:24 ↗ than a regular stoplight however when I

1:43:28 ↗ come down to the bottom of the hill

1:43:29 ↗ there's a sidewalk on the uphill side

1:43:31 ↗ which I like to walk on because I have a

1:43:34 ↗ great view and because the sidewalk is

1:43:37 ↗ kind of down from the road on the other

1:43:39 ↗ side but then when I get to the bottom

1:43:41 ↗ all of a sudden the sidewalk is gone and

1:43:43 ↗ that last block there's there's no

1:43:46 ↗ sidewalk on that side of the street and

1:43:48 ↗ it's a blind Street crossing because

1:43:51 ↗ it's a hill and cars are coming down and

1:43:54 ↗ coming up and and turning the corner and

1:43:56 ↗ they can't see me and I have to look

1:43:58 ↗ back and forth and just kind of run for

1:44:00 ↗ it to cross the street and then where I

1:44:03 ↗ want to go down where the traffic's

1:44:04 ↗ safer I have to cross the street twice

1:44:06 ↗ to get over by this

1:44:08 ↗ and how true it's really weird so I do

1:44:10 ↗ think she should do a traffic study at

1:44:13 ↗ the intersection of Wildwood and Newport

1:44:15 ↗ way let me see if there is anything else

1:44:19 ↗ here oh I just I just want to say that

1:44:25 ↗ having lived in Issaquah for a long time

1:44:27 ↗ and having seen the changes that have

1:44:29 ↗ occurred over the past years I really

1:44:33 ↗ think that trying to make decisions or

1:44:37 ↗ making allowances today based on

1:44:40 ↗ standards that were in place in 1991

1:44:44 ↗ I think Yuri an EIN teen 99 I really do

1:44:47 ↗ think you need to take a look at at

1:44:49 ↗ whether those standards are still

1:44:51 ↗ appropriate today because your home is

1:44:56 ↗ such a big investment in your life and

1:44:59 ↗ to think that somebody would buy a

1:45:03 ↗ beautiful place to live in and and be

1:45:07 ↗ building an on on ground that might

1:45:10 ↗ possibly slide it's terrible and and a

1:45:13 ↗ friend of ours I knew her very well our

1:45:16 ↗ kids went to grade school and high

1:45:18 ↗ school together

1:45:19 ↗ her home was on the street above that

1:45:22 ↗ and she lost her home and because at

1:45:27 ↗ home had been there for I don't know

1:45:29 ↗ like 15 or 20 years or something like

1:45:31 ↗ that that she tried to go for it the

1:45:34 ↗ city tried to go for the county tried to

1:45:36 ↗ go for it the builders she ended up

1:45:39 ↗ losing her home completely with no

1:45:42 ↗ redress and she was a single parent with

1:45:46 ↗ two kids so and it was a lovely little

1:45:50 ↗ home so anyway consider that thank you

1:45:54 ↗ thank you

1:45:58 ↗ I think mr. Raleigh's next bar comments

1:46:07 ↗ I'm skip Rowley 1595 on Northwest Gilman

1:46:11 ↗ Boulevard

1:46:12 ↗ my daughter Carrie and I were the

1:46:15 ↗ original developers of Kelkar a phase

1:46:17 ↗ one that piece of property has been in

1:46:20 ↗ our family since 1954 and when we

1:46:26 ↗ decided to build Kelkar a phase one

1:46:29 ↗ Carrie and I went through three

1:46:31 ↗ different architects to try to come up

1:46:34 ↗ with three different plans that fit that

1:46:36 ↗ property it wasn't until we got rich

1:46:39 ↗ Wagner in our office who at that time

1:46:42 ↗ was with bayless brand Wegener I believe

1:46:45 ↗ was the name of the firm rich was able

1:46:49 ↗ to show us how he could design and fit

1:46:51 ↗ onto that piece of property something

1:46:53 ↗ that would be very similar to a ski

1:46:55 ↗ lodge from the west part of the United

1:46:58 ↗ States and how it would fit in to the

1:47:00 ↗ trees and all of that and I think that

1:47:02 ↗ he's done a very good job in doing the

1:47:04 ↗ same thing with what inter-corporate is

1:47:07 ↗ proposing when we decided to sell that

1:47:12 ↗ property that decision was primarily

1:47:14 ↗ based on the fact that we got a

1:47:17 ↗ development agreement with the city of

1:47:19 ↗ Issaquah for the 80 acres that we have

1:47:21 ↗ down on the commercial floor and we

1:47:24 ↗ wanted to spend our time and efforts

1:47:26 ↗ developing that and in between Kelkar a

1:47:30 ↗ phase one two today we've been through a

1:47:33 ↗ major recession the construction costs

1:47:36 ↗ climbed to a point where Carrie and I

1:47:38 ↗ didn't think we could afford to do it so

1:47:40 ↗ when we marketed we had six different

1:47:44 ↗ development companies come to us with

1:47:46 ↗ proposals and the only one that we

1:47:50 ↗ really wanted was inter court because

1:47:52 ↗ they have the ability to do the project

1:47:53 ↗ to pay for it and to build it on time

1:47:56 ↗ and do a really good job I'm familiar

1:47:59 ↗ with some of the slide issues that

1:48:03 ↗ happened with foothills there should be

1:48:05 ↗ no problem with the development of

1:48:07 ↗ Cavell Kelkar phases 2 & 3 I

1:48:10 ↗ want to scare people with the idea that

1:48:12 ↗ this thing might slide cuz it won't if

1:48:14 ↗ it's done properly we had the issue up

1:48:17 ↗ at Allis and that was another instance

1:48:19 ↗ where something wasn't done quite quite

1:48:21 ↗ right but the soils on this property are

1:48:24 ↗ fine I also want to remind everybody

1:48:28 ↗ that this property abuts a 40 acre State

1:48:31 ↗ Park no in that state King County Park

1:48:34 ↗ and all of the property up above it is

1:48:37 ↗ so steep that nothing will ever be built

1:48:40 ↗ on it so this is a small little

1:48:42 ↗ indentation in a very huge piece of

1:48:44 ↗ property that will be open space for

1:48:46 ↗ everybody to enjoy so I would hope that

1:48:48 ↗ you would look on favor of this I think

1:48:52 ↗ inner Corp has done a fantastic job of

1:48:54 ↗ working with the city staff and going

1:48:56 ↗ through this project inch by inch this

1:48:59 ↗ idea that all of the rules and

1:49:03 ↗ regulations of nineteen and ninety or

1:49:05 ↗ ninety nine or whatever it was affect

1:49:07 ↗ this property that's not right because

1:49:10 ↗ we the up-to-date soils the up-to-date

1:49:12 ↗ wetlands all of that sort of stuff is

1:49:15 ↗ part of this project so I hope you do it

1:49:18 ↗ it's a good project I think Issaquah

1:49:20 ↗ will be better for it and thank you

1:49:35 ↗ I am due to widen I am live at 1,000

1:49:40 ↗ Cabin Creek Lane Northwest be 301 I'm

1:49:44 ↗ the one that gets the view of the big

1:49:46 ↗ new building right out my window I'm not

1:49:50 ↗ sure exactly how I feel about that I

1:49:53 ↗ really like the deer I really like the

1:49:56 ↗ wildlife I like my little view of

1:50:01 ↗ shangri-la is the best way that I can

1:50:03 ↗ put it however that being said I do

1:50:08 ↗ believe that Inter Corp has done a

1:50:11 ↗ really good job of working through this

1:50:13 ↗ and presenting what they plan to do and

1:50:16 ↗ I appreciate it I really do I feel

1:50:18 ↗ comfortable and confident in what's

1:50:21 ↗ gonna happen I know I can't do anything

1:50:23 ↗ about them developing the property it's

1:50:26 ↗ not mine

1:50:26 ↗ I just look over it I also think that as

1:50:32 ↗ a homeowner probably is gonna my

1:50:35 ↗ homeowner value so my major concerns

1:50:40 ↗ have to do with the changes to the

1:50:46 ↗ neighborhood and yes they primarily have

1:50:48 ↗ to do with traffic I to try not to go

1:50:54 ↗ out anywhere after three o'clock in the

1:50:56 ↗ afternoon and come down Newport and have

1:50:59 ↗ to go home because it's just ridiculous

1:51:03 ↗ and it's in that's not part of a problem

1:51:07 ↗ that really has to do with wild witters

1:51:09 ↗ on sadder or anything that has to do

1:51:12 ↗ with the growth and the region and

1:51:14 ↗ everything that's going on that being

1:51:18 ↗ said I do believe like Susan and others

1:51:22 ↗ just said that some more study or review

1:51:25 ↗ over what the effects of the impact on

1:51:31 ↗ traffic and the more bodies is gonna do

1:51:34 ↗ to what's there will happen and I also

1:51:37 ↗ don't know where that you know 26 Road

1:51:40 ↗ Trip there are gonna be two minivans

1:51:44 ↗ that go out at least four times a day I

1:51:47 ↗ know that my other concern has to do

1:51:50 ↗ with the traffic that's going to be

1:51:52 ↗ going on on Cabin Creek Lane and I

1:51:57 ↗ understand that you're going to put a

1:51:58 ↗ sidewalk in on the other side and and in

1:52:01 ↗ the building and that kind of stuff

1:52:03 ↗ there will be improvements made I also

1:52:06 ↗ know that all of the parking that you're

1:52:08 ↗ talking about using is at the clubhouse

1:52:10 ↗ and granted if there's nothing going on

1:52:13 ↗ at the clubhouse that's fine you know

1:52:16 ↗ there's nine spots there plus two

1:52:20 ↗ handicap but there is no place else for

1:52:25 ↗ anybody to park except in front of my

1:52:30 ↗ building which happens to be B the first

1:52:32 ↗ one the closest to the new buildings and

1:52:34 ↗ stuff like that and I don't park in

1:52:37 ↗ front very often because I have a

1:52:39 ↗ parking place in there in in the garage

1:52:43 ↗ but I don't think it's reasonable to

1:52:49 ↗ think that you could put that mass of

1:52:50 ↗ humanity and cars and people in one

1:52:53 ↗ place and not provide a place for them

1:52:55 ↗ to park I also think that the road on if

1:53:02 ↗ if you're out and the kids are going to

1:53:05 ↗ school and they're waiting for the bus

1:53:07 ↗ or their parents are waiting for the bus

1:53:08 ↗ at the end of sunrise where it goes

1:53:11 ↗ across well with there twice a day

1:53:14 ↗ there's a lot of people and and the

1:53:19 ↗ people that live in 40s have concerns

1:53:20 ↗ too you know there's just there's just

1:53:22 ↗ that's a lot of traffic I don't know if

1:53:25 ↗ anybody's done meeting traffic counts

1:53:27 ↗ you know or anything like that I've I've

1:53:30 ↗ read and I tried to look and read

1:53:32 ↗ through some of the reports but

1:53:33 ↗ everything does seem to be related to

1:53:36 ↗ 1999 and since then they've built you

1:53:39 ↗ know they've built I don't know what any

1:53:42 ↗ more houses down at the end of the hill

1:53:44 ↗ and now they're gonna add seventy two

1:53:46 ↗ more and it's sort of like it's time to

1:53:48 ↗ think about what the massive traffic in

1:53:50 ↗ the use of the roadways and sidewalks

1:53:53 ↗ for the community really is going to do

1:53:55 ↗ so thank you

1:53:59 ↗ let's call any other public wishing to

1:54:03 ↗ make comment if you do please sign in hi

1:54:14 ↗ steeper era 117 northeast dogwood Street

1:54:16 ↗ for about ten years so a couple thoughts

1:54:19 ↗ one is or I guess the first it has to do

1:54:22 ↗ I guess what kind of cumulative effect

1:54:24 ↗ of traffic and whether or not there

1:54:25 ↗ should be a light at this one particular

1:54:28 ↗ intersection and maybe it's more

1:54:31 ↗ addressed to city code it seems like

1:54:33 ↗ until you get to the point where traffic

1:54:35 ↗ is impacted there's no fees that are

1:54:37 ↗ paid for that maybe there should be a

1:54:38 ↗ cumulative effect of a fee paid into by

1:54:43 ↗ developers for the eventual cost that's

1:54:46 ↗ going to be occurred when that gets to a

1:54:47 ↗ certain point we later this particular

1:54:53 ↗ intersection at some point I don't know

1:54:55 ↗ that there is any future way to mitigate

1:54:56 ↗ traffic that goes up and down that on

1:54:59 ↗ the existing roads maybe that should be

1:55:02 ↗ part of the consideration of how you

1:55:03 ↗ would mitigate the traffic that's

1:55:05 ↗ already reported to be bad and and how

1:55:07 ↗ development gets improved or not

1:55:09 ↗ approved based on the cumulative effect

1:55:11 ↗ and crunch points where traffic

1:55:14 ↗ congestion happens that's maybe broader

1:55:16 ↗ than the scope of this body but that was

1:55:19 ↗ worth saying somebody mentioned the

1:55:23 ↗ trail and I guess I'm not sure if that's

1:55:25 ↗ a responsibility that that's gonna be

1:55:27 ↗ relocated if that if the kakari is

1:55:30 ↗ maintaining responsibility for

1:55:31 ↗ maintaining that trail going forward as

1:55:32 ↗ well as the initial movement of that

1:55:36 ↗ trail I want to give the comments where

1:55:40 ↗ somebody made where their language had

1:55:42 ↗ that the city would be indemnified from

1:55:44 ↗ the risk of landslides to me give some

1:55:47 ↗ idea that there's risk of landslides

1:55:49 ↗ possibility and I think that if there is

1:55:52 ↗ a perceived risk then until that gets

1:55:55 ↗ considered it shouldn't be simply waved

1:55:58 ↗ aside

1:56:02 ↗ I still have some concerns about the

1:56:04 ↗ previous verses impervious service I'd

1:56:06 ↗ like to see what specific things the

1:56:09 ↗ developer will put in before this gets

1:56:11 ↗ approved by this body and there seem to

1:56:17 ↗ be some other questions as far as when

1:56:19 ↗ that things can be mitigated those

1:56:20 ↗ should be developed and proposed before

1:56:23 ↗ this body approves those pending that

1:56:26 ↗ feedback Thanks final call should close

1:56:37 ↗ public comment portion of this meeting

1:56:40 ↗ and ask the city want to make a comment

1:56:43 ↗ this comment I think this city would

1:56:49 ↗ defer to either the applicant if they

1:56:50 ↗ want to address any of the issues or to

1:56:52 ↗ the Commission if you want to further

1:56:54 ↗ explore any of the comments that were

1:56:56 ↗ raised by the community this evening

1:57:04 ↗ so there were a couple of comments that

1:57:07 ↗ may be a little more exploration for

1:57:09 ↗ information would be helpful to

1:57:11 ↗ understand for the Commission and I

1:57:12 ↗ think for for the public that are here

1:57:15 ↗ this evening a lot of concern obviously

1:57:19 ↗ about traffic and the whole region is

1:57:21 ↗ struggling a bit with traffic we all

1:57:23 ↗ have that experience every day I think

1:57:25 ↗ but the question was just how is the

1:57:28 ↗ traffic count actually determined is

1:57:30 ↗ there a standard that's used or is it

1:57:32 ↗ judgement and maybe a little bit more

1:57:34 ↗ explanation about how the chip

1:57:36 ↗ generation for the project was

1:57:39 ↗ established and that would be helpful

1:57:52 ↗ I've been in four meetings today so bear

1:57:55 ↗ with me as I grab some papers here yes

1:57:57 ↗ yeah yourself once again Michael Reed

1:58:01 ↗ transportation engineering Northwest so

1:58:03 ↗ I'll answer that question two ways one

1:58:05 ↗ is there we have existing count of

1:58:08 ↗ traffic that's on Sunrise and by my

1:58:15 ↗ count if there's 38 single family homes

1:58:18 ↗ downstream and there's 50 ish homes in

1:58:21 ↗ Kelkar E or currently there's got to be

1:58:23 ↗ I think there's some other homes prior

1:58:26 ↗ to that so let's just round it 200 units

1:58:31 ↗ that are various forms that are on

1:58:34 ↗ Sunrise currently right now there's only

1:58:40 ↗ about 50 vehicles in the peak hour that

1:58:42 ↗ use that Street but yet there's a

1:58:45 ↗ hundred home so basically that's a half

1:58:46 ↗ a trip for home currently you know we

1:58:52 ↗ just performed some trip generation

1:58:53 ↗ studies of down some residential units

1:58:56 ↗ in downtown Seattle just to kind of see

1:58:58 ↗ what apartment units were generating in

1:59:01 ↗ downtown because people are building

1:59:03 ↗ still pretty sizable parking garages and

1:59:07 ↗ 200 to 300 plus apartment buildings the

1:59:11 ↗ trip rate for apartment building in

1:59:12 ↗ downtown Seattle is less than 10% of

1:59:17 ↗ units sometimes even less than 5% the

1:59:24 ↗ rates that we actually applied in this

1:59:26 ↗ particular analysis and what traffic

1:59:30 ↗ analysis was done with new information

1:59:32 ↗ we looked at the original traffic

1:59:35 ↗ analysis that was completed for Kelkar E

1:59:39 ↗ and those trips that were associated

1:59:41 ↗ with the additional 126 units that

1:59:45 ↗ comprised phases 2 & 3 took those

1:59:48 ↗ numbers because it was a different type

1:59:50 ↗ of unit at that point and in the context

1:59:54 ↗ of the traffic study it may be different

1:59:57 ↗ in in what was looked at in the

2:00:00 ↗ build-out but there was a specific trip

2:00:02 ↗ generation number and traffic volume

2:00:04 ↗ number

2:00:05 ↗ that was mitigated and paid for back in

2:00:07 ↗ the day and then we used our standard

2:00:11 ↗ ite rates Institute of Transportation

2:00:13 ↗ engineers rates they publish average

2:00:17 ↗ peak trip generation rates for different

2:00:20 ↗ types of land-uses this falls into a

2:00:22 ↗ condominium town host town home land use

2:00:24 ↗ and we applied those rates for the

2:00:26 ↗ proposed seventy two units and took the

2:00:28 ↗ difference so though that's where the

2:00:31 ↗ genesis of the numbers came from and

2:00:33 ↗ also gives you a little bit of context

2:00:35 ↗ of what's actually happening out there

2:00:36 ↗ right now so because there's a mixture

2:00:39 ↗ of single-family homes they're the

2:00:41 ↗ largest trip generator of any

2:00:42 ↗ residential use but yet we have maybe

2:00:46 ↗ half of them are condos out there

2:00:51 ↗ currently we're still on the very low

2:00:53 ↗ end of the trip generation rate given

2:00:55 ↗ that context you took a little bit of

2:00:58 ↗ the work that was done to evaluate the

2:01:01 ↗ existing condition and then you overlaid

2:01:03 ↗ that with a standard essentially yeah we

2:01:07 ↗ I didn't we didn't look we just looked

2:01:09 ↗ at the existing traffic to actually to

2:01:12 ↗ see back whether there was warrants for

2:01:14 ↗ turn lanes whether that was a specific

2:01:16 ↗ request whether there was any other

2:01:19 ↗ traffic issues going on out there

2:01:22 ↗ fifty trips and an hour on a street is

2:01:25 ↗ you can walk across the street without

2:01:28 ↗ much problem that's less than the car a

2:01:30 ↗ minute on average just this is a I don't

2:01:35 ↗ know this is something that you gave any

2:01:37 ↗ thought to where this will come later

2:01:38 ↗ with construction permits but truck

2:01:41 ↗ routes has come up several times in the

2:01:43 ↗ last two public meetings and we've got a

2:01:45 ↗ new condition that's been now proposed

2:01:47 ↗ to add to this amendment so if you take

2:01:53 ↗ away all of the turnaround opportunities

2:01:55 ↗ for the trucks how we going to turn them

2:01:57 ↗ around out there well you know I'm not

2:02:00 ↗ specifically involved in the

2:02:03 ↗ construction staging but typically I was

2:02:05 ↗ just on site today

2:02:06 ↗ you know the contractor realizes that

2:02:09 ↗ he's not going to be storing materials

2:02:11 ↗ he's not going to be laying down

2:02:12 ↗ equipment he's not going to be parking

2:02:15 ↗ his vehicles in

2:02:17 ↗ property that he doesn't have the

2:02:19 ↗ ability to control or operate on so

2:02:22 ↗ they're gonna have to provide for that

2:02:24 ↗ turnaround space on site as they're

2:02:27 ↗ staging the property so you typically go

2:02:29 ↗ from you do masquerading get the site

2:02:32 ↗ prepped and you can start laying down

2:02:35 ↗ stuff in one location first and build

2:02:37 ↗ another one so it's pretty logical you

2:02:40 ↗ know the contractors are used to doing

2:02:41 ↗ that I can see a concern of contractors

2:02:45 ↗ just there

2:02:47 ↗ like a lot of us they want to park right

2:02:49 ↗ in front of their workplace so I can see

2:02:51 ↗ the the need to ensure you know no

2:02:55 ↗ construction parking or equipment

2:02:57 ↗ storage or whatever on Sunrise for sure

2:02:59 ↗ and that's would be a normal condition

2:03:02 ↗ of an any you know building permit or

2:03:04 ↗ right away permit something thanks Keith

2:03:06 ↗ maybe a little more information on

2:03:09 ↗ traffic control regarding truck routes

2:03:13 ↗ etc how does the city deal with that

2:03:15 ↗ during that permitting process

2:03:19 ↗ commissioner before I go there just one

2:03:21 ↗ clarification so sunrise place is a

2:03:24 ↗ public street and the city will likely

2:03:29 ↗ not be regulating contractor parking on

2:03:33 ↗ that street it's public right away they

2:03:36 ↗ have as much right to use it as anybody

2:03:38 ↗ else we may all not like that answer but

2:03:41 ↗ that's the right answer in terms of

2:03:44 ↗ construction traffic so as part of the

2:03:47 ↗ construction pre-con meeting we have the

2:03:51 ↗ ability to unfortunately none of these

2:03:53 ↗ people then the applicant really has a

2:03:57 ↗ say and how all this all this

2:03:59 ↗ fine-grained details going to work so

2:04:01 ↗ what will happen at the pre-construction

2:04:03 ↗ meeting which occurs after we issue the

2:04:05 ↗ permits but before they actually start

2:04:07 ↗ construction is we will talk about this

2:04:09 ↗ condition and how they will achieve the

2:04:13 ↗ intent of this condition so there's

2:04:15 ↗ going to be it'll be a challenge for

2:04:17 ↗ some of the bigger you know the framing

2:04:19 ↗ trucks that come you know maybe the

2:04:22 ↗ concrete pumper you know there's some

2:04:24 ↗ that are gonna have a challenge turning

2:04:26 ↗ around but because you're working on

2:04:28 ↗ both sides of the street it actually

2:04:30 ↗ we forms split have hammerhead with the

2:04:35 ↗ way that the driveways are working so I

2:04:38 ↗ don't see this as being a big concern

2:04:40 ↗ but in terms of deliveries you know this

2:04:43 ↗ is a dead end as was discussed before so

2:04:46 ↗ the truck traffic has only one way in

2:04:48 ↗ and out and that's via a Newport wild

2:04:52 ↗ wood and then sunrise that thanks that's

2:04:56 ↗ helpful

2:04:58 ↗ rich whitener again if I could elaborate

2:05:01 ↗ on the question about the traffic and

2:05:04 ↗ the intersections down the road and

2:05:07 ↗ especially in the comments that were

2:05:08 ↗ last given you know there's there's this

2:05:11 ↗ trip point of which an intersection gets

2:05:13 ↗ warranted for certain improvements but

2:05:16 ↗ long before that and and and that

2:05:18 ↗ actually is a kind of a step curve or

2:05:21 ↗ step but long before that every project

2:05:24 ↗ that comes forward has what's called the

2:05:26 ↗ traffic mitigation fee and those fees

2:05:29 ↗ many of them have already been paid for

2:05:32 ↗ in phase one for many of the impacts in

2:05:36 ↗ Phase two and three so that that money

2:05:39 ↗ was already sent to the city years ago

2:05:41 ↗ in addition there is trip mitigation

2:05:45 ↗ fees that will be paid by this developer

2:05:48 ↗ when the permit is being issued now

2:05:50 ↗ whether those fees are used to affect a

2:05:53 ↗ certain intersection that's really kind

2:05:56 ↗ of a sitting position but I wanted to

2:05:58 ↗ negate the idea that something can

2:06:00 ↗ happen here and not contribute

2:06:05 ↗ thank you and I follow another

2:06:10 ↗ exploration here and again the other

2:06:13 ↗ area that got significant interest and

2:06:17 ↗ questioning was around the geotechnical

2:06:19 ↗ conditions out there and the nature of

2:06:21 ↗ the investigation the standards that

2:06:24 ↗ were used to ensure we have we will have

2:06:26 ↗ a stable site condition with this

2:06:29 ↗ project oh and again the there's some

2:06:35 ↗ confusion about the standards here and

2:06:37 ↗ so there's some engineering basic

2:06:38 ↗ engineering standards that apply that

2:06:40 ↗ are not specific city codes but that

2:06:43 ↗ being said there was obviously studies

2:06:47 ↗ that were done during the development

2:06:50 ↗ for the first phase and and the

2:06:52 ↗ subsequent phase now we're moving this

2:06:54 ↗ forward and you say can you explain a

2:06:56 ↗ little bit more about the nature of the

2:06:58 ↗ investigation and anything about the

2:07:00 ↗ standards that were to pull or apply Ted

2:07:09 ↗ commissioners attach shepper again with

2:07:11 ↗ terror associates with regard to the

2:07:15 ↗ standards the standards that were in

2:07:16 ↗ place in 1999 are the same as they are

2:07:19 ↗ today in terms of the development

2:07:21 ↗ standards the nail stem from the GM a

2:07:25 ↗ back in 1990 in King County came out

2:07:27 ↗ with the standards for steep slopes

2:07:29 ↗ landslides and basically defined a steep

2:07:32 ↗ slope as a 40% grade or steeper if you

2:07:35 ↗ think about a 40% grade that's a two and

2:07:37 ↗ a half to one slope all highway

2:07:38 ↗ embankments are two to one so by

2:07:39 ↗ technically they're they're a steep

2:07:41 ↗ slope the the and the the standards were

2:07:46 ↗ in that as then as they are today in

2:07:49 ↗ King County and it's in the city of

2:07:52 ↗ Issaquah is that any steep slope that

2:07:55 ↗ exceeds a height of 20 feet and you will

2:07:59 ↗ have a 50 foot buffer or if an

2:08:02 ↗ additional 15 foot building setback

2:08:06 ↗ lines so total setback if you will 65

2:08:08 ↗ feet the standards allow you to reduce

2:08:10 ↗ the buffer to 10 feet pending

2:08:13 ↗ geotechnical analysis it demonstrates

2:08:15 ↗ that the reduction in the buffer will

2:08:17 ↗ not result in an increase in a slope and

2:08:20 ↗ stability that could impact the project

2:08:23 ↗ thereby the project impacting this slope

2:08:26 ↗ so those those that's the standard the

2:08:30 ↗ the other standard in particular to this

2:08:32 ↗ case is that there are as an exemption

2:08:35 ↗ with that or an exemption that allows

2:08:38 ↗ you to grade steep slopes that were

2:08:42 ↗ created by previous grading activity so

2:08:44 ↗ on on this particular site there's been

2:08:47 ↗ a lot of activity out here the the phase

2:08:50 ↗ one was built over an old coal tailings

2:08:52 ↗ pile all those buildings are supported

2:08:55 ↗ on piles because the coal tailing of

2:08:56 ↗ heavy buildings and the coal tailings

2:08:58 ↗ went down about 50 feet and that's par

2:09:00 ↗ on the east end as you come back on

2:09:02 ↗ phase two there's this ting fill

2:09:05 ↗ materials some of it related to the coal

2:09:07 ↗ tailings and then what you get back into

2:09:09 ↗ phase 3 phase 3 has actually been

2:09:11 ↗ excavated that was a sand and gravel

2:09:13 ↗ mine where they they mined the the

2:09:16 ↗ outwash sand and gravels and that

2:09:18 ↗ created the steep slope so by virtue of

2:09:20 ↗ the the code allows us to then to go

2:09:22 ↗ into those slopes and regrade them and

2:09:25 ↗ and that's what our intent is to do and

2:09:28 ↗ some of them post grading if they still

2:09:31 ↗ remain had it had a gradient of 40

2:09:33 ↗ percent or steeper and exceed a height

2:09:35 ↗ of 10 feet then they would still be

2:09:39 ↗ subject to the setback requirements

2:09:40 ↗ which we have here we have we're

2:09:43 ↗ maintaining a ten foot buffer

2:09:45 ↗ and a 15 foot building setback line from

2:09:47 ↗ those slopes so again the standards are

2:09:50 ↗ the same we're not done yet

2:09:52 ↗ again this project because of the you

2:09:55 ↗ know recent interest to me know the

2:09:57 ↗ slide that occurred at Alice 9 and then

2:10:00 ↗ also you know with also in the past were

2:10:02 ↗ brought greater attention to the you

2:10:04 ↗ know the concerns with developing and

2:10:06 ↗ steep steep topography the the initial

2:10:12 ↗ critical areas report that we've

2:10:14 ↗ definitely prepared and has been peer

2:10:16 ↗ reviewed by gold or we've reached

2:10:17 ↗ concurrence on that but we're not done

2:10:20 ↗ yet we still have you know I mentioned

2:10:22 ↗ that we wrote a geotechnical engineering

2:10:24 ↗ report in in in 2015 I believe it's

2:10:27 ↗ dated December 2015 we have to update

2:10:30 ↗ that and that updates going to include

2:10:33 ↗ additional stability analysis reflecting

2:10:35 ↗ what the grading plan actually is

2:10:38 ↗ because when we did our original report

2:10:39 ↗ you know they had a conceptual grading

2:10:41 ↗ plan so we applied our analysis to that

2:10:44 ↗ well this thing has gone through several

2:10:46 ↗ generations and iterations if you will

2:10:49 ↗ of configurations and grades and so our

2:10:52 ↗ final geotechnical report will take into

2:10:54 ↗ account what the final grades are going

2:10:56 ↗ to be and we will have additional

2:10:58 ↗ stability analysis probably haven't

2:11:01 ↗ might have to go out and do some

2:11:02 ↗ additional site exploration to confirm

2:11:04 ↗ some geology that then will again be

2:11:06 ↗ peer reviewed by Golder and in

2:11:09 ↗ we'll have a I'm sure a number of

2:11:11 ↗ discussions with him so like again we're

2:11:14 ↗ not done so in your site investigation

2:11:15 ↗ did you do any subsurface sampling or

2:11:19 ↗ anything like yes we did yeah we

2:11:20 ↗ actually drilled 16 tests borings on

2:11:23 ↗ this site plus we had from our previous

2:11:26 ↗ previous exploration work we had I think

2:11:28 ↗ five or six test holes up in this area

2:11:29 ↗ along with a number of test pits so

2:11:31 ↗ we've got it pretty well covered and

2:11:32 ↗ we've walked the slope all the way up to

2:11:34 ↗ the top you mentioned there was a lot of

2:11:36 ↗ water on this side coming out of that

2:11:37 ↗ slope when that there absolutely right

2:11:39 ↗ there's a lot of water coming out of

2:11:40 ↗ that slope and we've got designs to

2:11:42 ↗ control that so that it does not result

2:11:45 ↗ in any impacts thank you I think they

2:11:49 ↗ had one thing so there was a lot of

2:11:51 ↗ covers comment about the city's

2:11:54 ↗ requirement for indemnification so it's

2:11:59 ↗ standard practice by the city to require

2:12:02 ↗ an indemnification on property that has

2:12:07 ↗ that is in a modified steep slope

2:12:10 ↗ there's really two reasons for that

2:12:12 ↗ obviously one is to try and keep the

2:12:15 ↗ city out of lawsuits but the second is

2:12:18 ↗ to provide an additional piece of

2:12:23 ↗ information for people buying houses

2:12:25 ↗ because you go out there to this

2:12:27 ↗ property when it's done you may never

2:12:30 ↗ know that there was a graded steep slope

2:12:32 ↗ underneath the house that you're buying

2:12:35 ↗ so that indemnity becomes now part of

2:12:38 ↗ the closing documents that you have and

2:12:41 ↗ it's something that gives buyers a

2:12:44 ↗ little bit better information before

2:12:46 ↗ they potentially buy a unit

2:12:52 ↗ mr. chairman I had a clarification I

2:12:54 ↗ think I misspoke a little earlier if I

2:12:55 ↗ might when I'm talking about traffic

2:12:57 ↗ mitigation what I said about people

2:12:59 ↗ every project contributing to a

2:13:01 ↗ mitigation fee that part is is accurate

2:13:04 ↗ where I was inaccurate was I've now been

2:13:08 ↗ reminded that for traffic mitigation

2:13:11 ↗ fees on phases one two and three have

2:13:14 ↗ already been paid and no show on page

2:13:17 ↗ the condition one page 42 in the latest

2:13:20 ↗ staff report I just wanted to build on

2:13:25 ↗ Commissioner Brennan's question a little

2:13:27 ↗ bit about steep slopes and and you may

2:13:32 ↗ not be here yet and this may be a

2:13:34 ↗ question for you so sorry if you have to

2:13:36 ↗ come back up can you just speak a little

2:13:39 ↗ bit to the construction methodology how

2:13:41 ↗ are these foundations being constructed

2:13:44 ↗ and how are the retaining walls being

2:13:46 ↗ constructed in terms of our using pin

2:13:49 ↗ piles are you doing a stacked wall are

2:13:54 ↗ those required and and possibly that's

2:13:57 ↗ more of a question for structural no I'd

2:13:59 ↗ be the question for me no the like I

2:14:03 ↗ said we went out and completed a fairly

2:14:06 ↗ extensive additional exploration work in

2:14:09 ↗ terms of 16 tests borings throughout the

2:14:12 ↗ site because we knew there was fill on

2:14:13 ↗ the site so that was a concern because

2:14:14 ↗ our original recommendations for Kelkar

2:14:17 ↗ ii particularly with the big buildings

2:14:19 ↗ was and heavy loads with existing fill

2:14:22 ↗ materials typically there'd be a risk of

2:14:26 ↗ settlement of those buildings if they

2:14:28 ↗ were sitting on conventional spread

2:14:29 ↗ footing foundations so those those

2:14:31 ↗ recommendations were to put those big

2:14:32 ↗ buildings on piles and the additional

2:14:36 ↗ exploration work that we did out there

2:14:38 ↗ demonstrated that the fill material is

2:14:40 ↗ in is in pretty decent shape and these

2:14:42 ↗ are like townhome wood-frame structures

2:14:44 ↗ so they don't wail heck of a lot and so

2:14:46 ↗ our intention there is that these

2:14:48 ↗ buildings will be supported on spread

2:14:51 ↗ footings conventional spread footings

2:14:52 ↗ which won't be a problem the retaining

2:14:56 ↗ walls themselves on the the walls that

2:14:59 ↗ are gonna be along the the west side of

2:15:01 ↗ Phase three two of those walls will be

2:15:04 ↗ Soldier pile walls

2:15:05 ↗ because we don't have the ability to cut

2:15:06 ↗ back in and lay back to slope into the

2:15:08 ↗ hillside so those will be soldier pile

2:15:10 ↗ walls basically they'll come in they'll

2:15:12 ↗ drill shafts insert a beam concrete and

2:15:17 ↗ then as they excavate they'll leg it and

2:15:20 ↗ so you support the toe of the hillside

2:15:22 ↗ as the excavation is going on so that it

2:15:26 ↗ will be done there the other walls on

2:15:28 ↗ site will be reinforced earth fill

2:15:33 ↗ whether we use geo grids we use

2:15:36 ↗ reinforced to fill behind the wall and

2:15:38 ↗ then we'll have either rock refacing or

2:15:42 ↗ some other segmental wall facing like

2:15:45 ↗ the Lock and Load and some of the things

2:15:46 ↗ keystone that are pretty common that you

2:15:48 ↗ see around here so those are those walls

2:15:50 ↗ then all the filming of the slopes that

2:15:52 ↗ are going to be regraded will be

2:15:54 ↗ regraded to engineering standards I'll

2:15:56 ↗ fill materials if there's a if there's a

2:15:57 ↗ steep slope that's exceeding that say

2:15:59 ↗ for example a slope that's 20% or

2:16:01 ↗ steeper we bench and cut into that

2:16:04 ↗ hillside to make sure the fill materials

2:16:06 ↗ that are placed over that are locked in

2:16:08 ↗ with that existing slow drainage is

2:16:10 ↗ installed to make sure that we don't

2:16:12 ↗ have any block off any subsurface

2:16:14 ↗ drainage from backside cuz when that

2:16:16 ↗ happens if you block it off you can have

2:16:18 ↗ a blowout you know because the pressures

2:16:20 ↗ build up behind it so that'll be all

2:16:23 ↗ those fields we placed and compacted in

2:16:24 ↗ engineered manner and and then once

2:16:27 ↗ everything is all said and done if

2:16:28 ↗ there's a remaining slope that is 40

2:16:31 ↗ percent or greater or from a retaining

2:16:32 ↗ wall there's a setback from that with

2:16:35 ↗ the building construction okay thank you

2:16:40 ↗ yeah just a follow-up question and

2:16:43 ↗ that's for Richard now when you when you

2:16:45 ↗ talk about soldier walls and retaining

2:16:47 ↗ walls you put it in I mean it's it's

2:16:51 ↗ really nice is that are you just gonna

2:16:53 ↗ leave it the way it is or this retreat

2:16:55 ↗ covers it excuse me I wanted to stand up

2:16:59 ↗ here and say after Ted is done and his

2:17:01 ↗ crews done then Nick comes in our

2:17:04 ↗ landscape architect and he addresses

2:17:07 ↗ exactly how we're going to landscape the

2:17:09 ↗ faces of these whether they be rock

2:17:11 ↗ walls or block walls or soldier piles

2:17:14 ↗ and all that's in in the record and in

2:17:17 ↗ the application okay thank you thank you

2:17:23 ↗ one more question / comment and this is

2:17:26 ↗ for staff for Steve Pfeffer key so there

2:17:29 ↗ are lots of concern obviously about

2:17:31 ↗ traffic and particularly down at the

2:17:33 ↗ intersection of Wildwood and Newports

2:17:36 ↗ way and kind of what's happening along

2:17:37 ↗ Newports way and we've heard that in

2:17:39 ↗ other projects that we've we've had in

2:17:41 ↗ front of us and can you talk a little

2:17:43 ↗ bit about what the city is doing to

2:17:45 ↗ respond to the community concerns and

2:17:47 ↗ then how people can get engaged because

2:17:50 ↗ what's happening there is a little

2:17:51 ↗ outside of the scope of what we're able

2:17:54 ↗ to deal with directly here but I know

2:17:56 ↗ the city is paying attention to that

2:17:58 ↗ issue and trying to find ways to respond

2:18:00 ↗ so we are so right now Newport has been

2:18:05 ↗ identified as one of a number of streets

2:18:09 ↗ in the city that is maybe overdue for

2:18:12 ↗ some attention and so the city is moving

2:18:16 ↗ forward with kind of a planning effort

2:18:19 ↗ to do a corridor study really in two

2:18:23 ↗ parts and think about SR 900 is the

2:18:26 ↗ split point so one is a west part from

2:18:29 ↗ SR 900 towards Bellevue and then the

2:18:31 ↗ other is from SR 900 south and so the

2:18:37 ↗ you know ultimately the vision for

2:18:40 ↗ Newport is going to include the addition

2:18:43 ↗ of some roundabouts

2:18:44 ↗ to help facilitate traffic movement I

2:18:47 ↗ know that once you get to the south end

2:18:51 ↗ of town we're really dealing with issues

2:18:55 ↗ of regional traffic on Newports front

2:19:00 ↗ street and sunset it's it's all the

2:19:04 ↗ traffic heading

2:19:06 ↗ wanting to use his quoi hope our road

2:19:09 ↗ and work its way down to Maple Valley

2:19:12 ↗ and ultimately black diamond the city is

2:19:17 ↗ also working with King County right now

2:19:20 ↗ REE looking at kind of Issaquah Hobart

2:19:23 ↗ Road and whether there's opportunities

2:19:25 ↗ to help facilitate the bottleneck that

2:19:27 ↗ right now is kind of choking the south

2:19:29 ↗ end of town what I would say is anybody

2:19:33 ↗ interested in having a conversation with

2:19:37 ↗ the city's traffic engineer Curt seaman

2:19:40 ↗ with Public Works engineering would be

2:19:42 ↗ the right person for you to engage in a

2:19:44 ↗ conversation about Newport on I'm not

2:19:47 ↗ qualified but I have a card and if you

2:19:50 ↗ want to email me I can send you Curt's

2:19:52 ↗ contact information and you also

2:19:55 ↗ mentioned I believe in the last meeting

2:19:56 ↗ that the council the City Council's

2:19:59 ↗ recently appointed a traffic advisory

2:20:03 ↗ board they formed one they actually

2:20:05 ↗ haven't been appointed yet so anybody

2:20:07 ↗ interested in serving on the city's

2:20:10 ↗ newly formed traffic advisory board

2:20:13 ↗ those positions will be advertised along

2:20:17 ↗ with all the other boards and

2:20:18 ↗ commissions at at the beginning of

2:20:20 ↗ January thanks that's cool

2:20:25 ↗ I'm gonna pay some interest in

2:20:27 ↗ Development Commission other comments

2:20:29 ↗ questions concerns I guess I'd like to

2:20:34 ↗ internally get people's thoughts about

2:20:36 ↗ the sidewalk and mr. Wagner could pull

2:20:39 ↗ up a site plan i i like sidewalks i need

2:20:46 ↗ to be able to walk on sidewalks on the

2:20:47 ↗ other hand I don't like creating more

2:20:50 ↗ impervious surface than is needed I can

2:20:53 ↗ understand the staffs position and

2:20:55 ↗ wanting to have something that does

2:20:57 ↗ connect to the street so I just want to

2:21:00 ↗ be clear you're welcome to have this

2:21:02 ↗ conversation the removal of a sidewalk

2:21:05 ↗ on a street is an AAS process which

2:21:09 ↗ would be probably outside of this

2:21:11 ↗ conversation and the applicant would be

2:21:13 ↗ able to make that application the reason

2:21:17 ↗ why there's a condition in the staff

2:21:18 ↗ report now is their plans don't show

2:21:20 ↗ that sidewalk so staff was being clear

2:21:24 ↗ that that needs to be there unless

2:21:27 ↗ there's a separate a as to remove it it

2:21:29 ↗ has to have a sidewalk on both sides of

2:21:31 ↗ an internal street all streets in the

2:21:34 ↗ city currently have sidewalks on both

2:21:36 ↗ sides including internal private streets

2:21:39 ↗ we don't treat private streets any

2:21:41 ↗ differently than we treat public streets

2:21:45 ↗ in other words you're saying it's a moot

2:21:47 ↗ point for I'm saying that you guys can

2:21:49 ↗ have a conversation I would love that

2:21:51 ↗ input as the decision maker of

2:21:53 ↗ potentially a request to remove a piece

2:21:56 ↗ of sidewalk from a street so if you guys

2:21:58 ↗ want to deliberate on that I would love

2:21:59 ↗ that input and I would actually consider

2:22:01 ↗ it as part of the decision that helps

2:22:04 ↗ thank you sure so the again my concern

2:22:07 ↗ is that that somebody the units on the

2:22:10 ↗ bottom in there that would be walking

2:22:13 ↗ down that street to get to sunrise

2:22:17 ↗ there's no sidewalk on the west side of

2:22:22 ↗ sunrise on the bottom side of sunrise so

2:22:24 ↗ they're not

2:22:24 ↗ necking into there it would be having to

2:22:27 ↗ cross sunrise somewhere and I always

2:22:30 ↗ think if it's me I'm going to take the

2:22:32 ↗ most direct path and if I met the end

2:22:34 ↗ units at the bottom slightly below rich

2:22:38 ↗ to the right there if I come to there

2:22:41 ↗ instead of going around a sidewalk I'm

2:22:44 ↗ gonna go straight across oh it's not

2:22:49 ↗ because you're lazy he's being smart

2:22:53 ↗ it's gonna take this short that's right

2:22:55 ↗ I'm smart and late yeah yeah I take the

2:22:57 ↗ same route head over there and then just

2:23:00 ↗ cross when I do the other corner the

2:23:09 ↗ friend depends if you have a bike with a

2:23:12 ↗ little kid on it you wanna be able to

2:23:13 ↗ just jump and cross or if you have a

2:23:16 ↗ stroller it's a little bit more

2:23:17 ↗ complicated too if you're doing this as

2:23:20 ↗ a pedestrian you are but if you have

2:23:22 ↗ little kids with you in strollers which

2:23:24 ↗ I'm pretty sure there will be plenty

2:23:25 ↗ it's gonna be complicated so people will

2:23:27 ↗ take the long route which I currently

2:23:29 ↗ think don't still have to cross the

2:23:32 ↗ street but where they have the crosswalk

2:23:35 ↗ they'll have to dip of the actual

2:23:36 ↗ crosswalk and they won't be going above

2:23:38 ↗ and under the curb yeah I was at the end

2:23:41 ↗ of the buildings where there's a

2:23:43 ↗ crosswalk in front of the buildings it

2:23:46 ↗ would come down if it didn't there would

2:23:50 ↗ come down right there was a dip to the

2:23:52 ↗ street level oh if the sidewalk ended

2:23:54 ↗ here yeah actually in our current

2:23:56 ↗ proposal if I go back up here there is a

2:23:58 ↗ concrete crosswalk here which obviously

2:24:02 ↗ it would not serve these last four units

2:24:04 ↗ but the intent was to bring people down

2:24:07 ↗ this sidewalk or and cross here and then

2:24:11 ↗ down in the initial proposal

2:24:20 ↗ so about this way on this really quick I

2:24:24 ↗ actually it's always a balance alright

2:24:27 ↗ because we're trying to minimize the

2:24:29 ↗ footprint and impervious area at the

2:24:32 ↗ same time we want to have something

2:24:34 ↗ that's attractive and convenient for the

2:24:36 ↗ people who live there in this particular

2:24:39 ↗ instance sense where people are going to

2:24:41 ↗ travel is going to be up up sunset it

2:24:47 ↗ doesn't seem to me that that that extra

2:24:53 ↗ segment of sidewalk is going to serve a

2:24:55 ↗ lot of benefit other than creating

2:24:58 ↗ impervious area if you create a

2:24:59 ↗ transition at the end of the sidewalk

2:25:02 ↗ where some of you with a stroller can

2:25:04 ↗ now cross over and then enter the

2:25:06 ↗ sidewalk on the other other side but

2:25:08 ↗ without a curb cut I tend to agree I

2:25:11 ↗ think if you've got a stroll or hop in

2:25:13 ↗ curbs and stuff is a little bit

2:25:15 ↗ challenging particular on is slope so if

2:25:20 ↗ there's not a solution that provides

2:25:22 ↗ that kind of convenience for the

2:25:25 ↗ multiple conditions

2:25:26 ↗ pedestrians might be dealing with like

2:25:28 ↗ strollers and bikes then you need the

2:25:32 ↗ crosswalk on both sides of the curve cut

2:25:33 ↗ up at the intersection which would be

2:25:36 ↗ the typical design of a sidewalk in Road

2:25:44 ↗ that helped so if you know there was

2:25:53 ↗ definitely a maybe thoughts there I

2:25:56 ↗ would say if the applicant wants to

2:25:58 ↗ request the removal of a sidewalk I will

2:26:00 ↗ try to incorporate this conversation

2:26:02 ↗ into that decision and that's on the

2:26:04 ↗ record we can certainly address that

2:26:12 ↗ later unless he we're looking for a

2:26:15 ↗ conclusion - no no I'm okay

2:26:17 ↗ given what peace provided on I think

2:26:19 ↗ that we handled through a separate

2:26:20 ↗ process thank you

2:26:22 ↗ yeah we'll work with you yes so other

2:26:27 ↗ comments concerns issues that need to be

2:26:30 ↗ discussed

2:26:42 ↗ just went quick I mean we've got a

2:26:45 ↗ significant amount of information in

2:26:47 ↗ front of us now that we've had a chance

2:26:48 ↗ to questions are there any gaps of

2:26:52 ↗ information that we need to fill here

2:26:54 ↗ and and I just from my perspective I

2:26:56 ↗ think I have the information that I need

2:26:59 ↗ to get to a decision I don't know if the

2:27:02 ↗ other commissioners are in that place

2:27:03 ↗ this evening but I would like to hear

2:27:06 ↗ that and if we are and we feel like

2:27:08 ↗ we've got the answers to the questions

2:27:10 ↗ and were satisfied with the design and I

2:27:13 ↗ would suggest we advance the project so

2:27:15 ↗ and move toward a motion if we're

2:27:17 ↗ comfortable and and I want to if I make

2:27:21 ↗ Michener's sorry I'm a little slow

2:27:22 ↗ tonight I've been in this room too much

2:27:24 ↗ this week there was one other comment

2:27:27 ↗ earlier that I'd like to actually spend

2:27:29 ↗ just a minute on and that's construction

2:27:31 ↗ noise and impacts and ours so what I

2:27:34 ↗ would say is and and staffs you know the

2:27:38 ↗ comment earlier was or the response

2:27:40 ↗ maybe was a little bit briefer than it

2:27:42 ↗ needed to be so the city just went

2:27:44 ↗ through a process of updating our

2:27:47 ↗ off-hours construction practices and

2:27:49 ↗ right now it used to be fairly typical

2:27:53 ↗ for contractors to ask to work on

2:27:56 ↗ Saturdays for contractors to work till 7

2:28:00 ↗ or 8 o'clock at night because during the

2:28:02 ↗ summertime when the sun's out you know

2:28:04 ↗ trying to squeeze every hour they can

2:28:05 ↗ out of the work day and so what was

2:28:08 ↗ clear to us is especially as some of

2:28:11 ↗ these new projects started to get built

2:28:13 ↗ adjacent to existing neighborhoods is

2:28:15 ↗ that our neighbors were taking the short

2:28:19 ↗ end of the stick and they needed to

2:28:21 ↗ actually we needed to rebalance that so

2:28:23 ↗ so right now basically our construction

2:28:30 ↗ off-hours construction code would say

2:28:33 ↗ they cannot work on Saturday period

2:28:36 ↗ unless they get concurrence from the

2:28:39 ↗ existing neighborhood so if they want to

2:28:42 ↗ work on a Saturday they're gonna come

2:28:43 ↗ have to ask re phase one and foothills

2:28:46 ↗ if it's within a certain distance of the

2:28:50 ↗ construction hours because you know

2:28:52 ↗ people just get saturated with no

2:28:54 ↗ and being inconvenienced and dust and

2:28:56 ↗ everything else so there's also that

2:28:59 ↗ kind of going beyond the normal

2:29:03 ↗ construction hours is also something

2:29:05 ↗ when you're in a residential area is

2:29:07 ↗ likely not going to get approved we've

2:29:09 ↗ also changed our notification to where

2:29:13 ↗ now we are moving towards requiring a

2:29:17 ↗ project sign so there will be a project

2:29:20 ↗ sign out on Sunrise that will not only

2:29:23 ↗ identify who to contact from the

2:29:26 ↗ contractor to the property owner if

2:29:29 ↗ there is so if they're coming in with

2:29:31 ↗ their dump trucks at 6:00 a.m. because

2:29:34 ↗ they got there early there's not only

2:29:37 ↗ city dispatch that you can call to

2:29:39 ↗ complain but you can also call the

2:29:41 ↗ contractors contact number as well as

2:29:44 ↗ the property owner

2:29:46 ↗ we also are providing kind of updates on

2:29:51 ↗ a monthly basis so that you guys can

2:29:53 ↗ come and see what do they expect to get

2:29:55 ↗ done that month you know maybe it's it's

2:29:57 ↗ working only on Phase two or maybe it's

2:29:59 ↗ doing foundations on Phase three but

2:30:01 ↗ going framing on Phase two that just

2:30:04 ↗ helps get the information out and so the

2:30:06 ↗ city's doing a lot to help with

2:30:08 ↗ communicating those construction impacts

2:30:11 ↗ to neighbors and so hopefully that's at

2:30:13 ↗ least a little bit of solace knowing

2:30:15 ↗ that you will you'll hear the noise

2:30:18 ↗ you're gonna not like the dust and the

2:30:21 ↗ inconvenience but hopefully we'll keep

2:30:23 ↗ that as minimal as we can so I just want

2:30:26 ↗ to put that on the record

2:30:32 ↗ so let me clarify that so no work on

2:30:35 ↗ Saturdays and Sundays you said Saturday

2:30:39 ↗ yeah no work on Sundays no work on

2:30:41 ↗ holidays the city does Saturdays on a

2:30:44 ↗ case-by-case basis and if they're

2:30:46 ↗ adjacent to a residential neighborhood

2:30:49 ↗ we basically ask them to get the

2:30:52 ↗ homeowners association to authorize it

2:30:55 ↗ before we'll give them approval to do

2:30:56 ↗ that so it puts the power really and it

2:31:00 ↗ helps that both the developer want to be

2:31:04 ↗ good neighbors with because they

2:31:07 ↗ actually hold some power over them if

2:31:09 ↗ they want to work on Saturdays or beyond

2:31:10 ↗ the normal curfew time during the week

2:31:13 ↗ and on weekdays what time today I

2:31:15 ↗ believe on weekdays right now we're at

2:31:18 ↗ breather at 6:00 or 7:00 I can't

2:31:21 ↗ remember which might have been seven I

2:31:23 ↗ think we I think we dialed it back to

2:31:24 ↗ six but I don't know for sure early and

2:31:27 ↗ 6:00 p.m. is every time did you say and

2:31:30 ↗ they're beginning the beginning of noon

2:31:32 ↗ and is end it's right now it's 7:00 a.m.

2:31:36 ↗ to 6:00 p.m. 6:00 p.m.

2:31:38 ↗ 7:00 to 6:00 okay and the intent of 7:00

2:31:41 ↗ is they don't arrive on-site till 7:00

2:31:44 ↗ so that's why sometimes you'll see

2:31:47 ↗ contractors hanging out on i-90 on the

2:31:49 ↗ off-ramp waiting for it to turn seven

2:31:51 ↗ o'clock if you're driving during that

2:31:52 ↗ time at least I do okay thank you

2:31:56 ↗ yep

2:32:00 ↗ other concerns we move towards emotion

2:32:06 ↗ emotion if be hard for me to read it

2:32:17 ↗ from here

2:32:19 ↗ so I

2:32:21 ↗ I'll do is I'll just make this motion on

2:32:24 ↗ the screen instead of reading it so can

2:32:26 ↗ we just add this emotion to the record

2:32:28 ↗ which read it I'll read it mr. chair I

2:32:35 ↗ move that the Development Commission

2:32:37 ↗ approve the administrative site

2:32:38 ↗ development permit ASDP 16s zero zero

2:32:42 ↗ zero zero four master site plan

2:32:45 ↗ amendment MSP a 16-0 zero zero zero one

2:32:50 ↗ and binding site plan amendment the bps

2:32:53 ↗ be SP 16 zero zero zero zero one Phillip

2:32:59 ↗ four Kelkar e phase two and three as

2:33:01 ↗ described and evaluated in the amended

2:33:04 ↗ staff report dated 18th of August 2017

2:33:08 ↗ with attachments one through six and

2:33:12 ↗ project drawings and reports the

2:33:14 ↗ briefing response memo dated September 7

2:33:17 ↗ September 14 2017 the clarification of

2:33:21 ↗ condition each relating to stormwater

2:33:23 ↗ the revision to kids the condition and

2:33:26 ↗ adding first place to the condition and

2:33:28 ↗ subject to the conditions therein as

2:33:30 ↗ amended tonight second

2:33:36 ↗ any discussion further discussion but

2:33:40 ↗ remote we can only have seven votes so

2:33:43 ↗ Commissioner Sanford I'd appreciate if

2:33:45 ↗ you would have vote appreciate your

2:33:46 ↗ comments but so all those in favor of

2:33:49 ↗ the motion say aye aye

2:33:51 ↗ all those opposed and I move that the

2:34:07 ↗ Development Commission direct the

2:34:08 ↗ development services department to

2:34:10 ↗ prepare findings of fact and conclusions

2:34:12 ↗ for review and approval by the

2:34:14 ↗ development Commission Chairman

2:34:15 ↗ affirming the development Commission's

2:34:17 ↗ decision to approve that Kelkar a phase

2:34:19 ↗ 2 & 3 project file number a SDP 16000

2:34:24 ↗ zero for MSP a 16-2 zero zero zero zero

2:34:29 ↗ 1 and b SP 16-2 zero zero zero zero one

2:34:34 ↗ subject to the conditions listed in the

2:34:36 ↗ staff report dated 18th of August 2017

2:34:39 ↗ with attachments one through six and

2:34:41 ↗ project drawings and reports the

2:34:43 ↗ briefing response mammal dated September

2:34:46 ↗ 14 2017 and the clarification of

2:34:49 ↗ condition age relating to stormwater the

2:34:51 ↗ revision to condition in and adding

2:34:53 ↗ first place to the condition and subject

2:34:56 ↗ to the conditions therein has amended

2:34:58 ↗ tonight second further discussion

2:35:07 ↗ all those in favor of the motion when

2:35:10 ↗ you say aye

2:35:12 ↗ all those opposed all right it's again

2:35:16 ↗ the motion carries so I think we do

2:35:22 ↗ appreciate the input from the from the

2:35:25 ↗ public it's a it's part of the political

2:35:28 ↗ process and it's essential

2:35:30 ↗ don't give up on us we really do

2:35:33 ↗ appreciate your input and so with no

2:35:36 ↗ further ado let's end the meeting

2:35:56 ↗ you

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