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Planning Policy Commission & Park Board Joint Special Meeting Auto captions

Thursday, February 8, 2018

6:30 PM · 58m 23s · Eagle Room, 130 East Sunset Way, Issaquah WA
1. CALL TO ORDER
1a
Commission Membership
packet pp.3–5
Staff report:
Planning Policy Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Trish Heinonen, Planning Manager policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides Email guidance and direction for Issaquah’s future growth through continued review and improvement to the Regular Members City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related 2018 – Joy Lewis land use documents. 2018 – Jon Stob 2018 – Carl Swedberg Membership 2018 – Lindsey Walsh The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2019 – Joan Probala seven regular members, with four-year terms; and 2020 – Ron Faul several alternates, with two-year terms. All 2020 – Troy Rahmig members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire Alternate Members April 30 of the year listed. For more information, 2018 – Victoria Hunt see IMC 18.03. 2018 – AJ McGauley 2018 – Althea Saldanha 2018 – Vacant
0:07 all right
0:09 welcome everybody
0:11 this is awkward using a mic but since
0:13 it's televised
0:15 suppose i don't have to i think it is on
0:17 is it on tim because i think it's just
0:18 for for video purposes not necessarily
0:21 yeah projection so if i break into song
0:25 so hi welcome i'm jeff watling parks and
0:27 recreation director with the city of
0:29 issaquah thank you so much for coming
0:31 thank you
0:32 planning policy commission for your
0:34 flexibility so letting us
0:36 invade if you will and and
0:39 i think
0:40 take a a slightly different approach to
0:42 a meeting we're really really excited
0:44 tonight i'm going to give a really quick
0:46 introduction and then hand it over to
0:47 our partners
0:49 with burger partnership to talk a little
0:51 bit more about
0:53 the process tonight but i hope what you
0:55 find is
0:56 our goal tonight is a really engaging
0:59 interactive
1:01 opportunity to
1:03 put a lot of intellect in this room and
1:05 a lot of people that have
1:08 thought through centralistic law visions
1:10 have thought through our park system and
1:12 see if we can put and create a unified
1:16 unified vision
1:17 around the green necklace i've had the
1:20 pleasure of being here just over a year
1:22 august of 2016 i came on board
1:25 we've been hard at work with the park
1:28 board
1:29 working on a park strategic plan
1:32 in my time here i've heard
1:34 this great term the green necklace it's
1:36 great vision for a green necklace in
1:38 issaquah
1:39 in my time i've probably heard
1:41 10 12 different definitions
1:43 of what that is
1:44 all are good
1:47 but as we are
1:49 honing in on
1:50 the park strategic plan
1:52 and really on the
1:54 at a point that we've
1:56 identified some strategic projects we've
1:58 really identified
2:00 how do we begin to unify our existing
2:02 public system
2:05 we really have a need to better
2:07 understand what the green necklace is as
2:09 that's been created as part of the
2:11 centralistic visions plan
2:14 and i and i think
2:15 as central squad visions
2:17 continues to get reshaped
2:19 i think there's also an opportunity to
2:21 need from that standpoint to put some
2:24 definition around
2:25 what uh the necklace is so
2:28 our goals tonight
2:30 and i think the reason we're trying to
2:31 do this what we're seeking to do is uh
2:34 to create this um
2:36 begin to frame up a more specific vision
2:40 uh for the necklace
2:42 that product that we're going to work on
2:44 creating
2:45 tonight and then coming back
2:48 berger is going to take your work your
2:50 great work tonight and
2:52 put their professional minds to it and
2:55 come back on the 22nd
2:57 do some further refinement and we hope
2:59 to produce an outcome a product
3:02 that then becomes and informs and
3:04 becomes part of the central school
3:06 visions work
3:08 and also becomes the same product
3:10 becomes a component and element of the
3:12 park's strategic plan
3:15 in the end we
3:16 have a bridge we have
3:19 cohesiveness between two really really
3:21 important strategic planning documents
3:26 i'm excited
3:28 looking forward to it
3:29 i'm going to hand it over to greg brauer
3:32 with burger partnership burger has been
3:34 our consultant with the park strategic
3:36 plan
3:37 a little bit about burger without making
3:39 them too
3:40 they've done a lot they do terrific
3:42 landscape architect park planning
3:45 park project work throughout
3:47 really the nation primarily puget sound
3:49 area
3:50 they are experts in corridor work
3:52 they've done a lot of corridor work with
3:54 redmond
3:55 with bellevue with other neighboring
3:56 cities
3:58 so i think leaning on their expertise
4:00 and utilizing their expertise and this
4:01 effort is going to be uh very very
4:04 beneficial for us so great
4:06 no pressure
4:07 i'm gonna good i'm gonna let this this
4:10 whole and stephanie will also help with
4:13 the presentation here so
4:15 yeah the
4:17 add to the unique um perspective that we
4:19 bring is actually in issaquah having
4:21 worked both for the city in the public
4:24 sector and things like that but we've
4:25 also worked
4:26 in the city on the private side and part
4:28 of some of the developments and things
4:30 like that so we kind of have the ability
4:32 to come at things both ways and so you
4:34 know about this green necklace and how
4:36 does it become real has been kind of an
4:38 intriguing conversation for us so
4:42 first thing is we're not we're not here
4:44 tonight to change anything ours isn't
4:46 gonna we we're here to kind of try to
4:48 pick up where you've been working um
4:51 we'll walk you through a few slides uh i
4:54 think most everything that you're going
4:55 to see up here on the screen is in a is
4:58 in a an abbreviated packet there at your
5:00 table so you'll have that to reference
5:01 to as we get to the to the exercise but
5:04 definitely wanted to make a make sure
5:05 that you understood that we're just here
5:07 to follow up with with where the efforts
5:09 have been and kind of advance it from
5:10 there so um we're going to just go
5:13 through a few of the exhibits that we
5:15 brought
5:16 and talk a little bit about uh the the
5:19 elements that we see so we see this sort
5:21 of as a tonight's effort will be about
5:24 uh mapping
5:26 obviously we brought some maps and
5:27 things like that to work from but parks
5:29 trails open space the roadway system are
5:32 kind of the components that we see as as
5:35 key to to this effort and then with that
5:38 defining tonight the location the well
5:40 tonight's about location um um with the
5:44 with some of the parks and trails and in
5:46 open space and then of course we'll get
5:47 into a character a little bit more later
5:50 on we're going to touch on it just a bit
5:52 tonight because we think
5:54 the
5:55 that it's important to have you know
5:56 this vision uh what does the green
5:58 necklace look like and what is what is
6:00 everybody so really the ultimate goal is
6:02 so everybody has kind of the same
6:04 explanation
6:05 if you happen to be in a meeting or you
6:07 meet somebody or greet somebody and they
6:08 ask about the green necklace everyone
6:10 starts to say the same thing because
6:11 we've heard kind of various definitions
6:14 so we'd like to kind of see that be a
6:17 resulting piece of what comes out of
6:19 this um hierarchy that'll be a little
6:21 bit of what you're going to be looking
6:22 in looking at some of the
6:25 elements today so
6:28 uh we just thought we'd start off with
6:30 just
6:31 an aerial view because this would
6:32 probably be the most current we have for
6:34 what what's happening in the city uh you
6:37 have a copy of that at the table just to
6:39 show this and the yellow boundary of
6:41 course is the the central issaquah area
6:43 so pretty pretty simple example or
6:46 exhibit of what we have today
6:50 and then kind of quick mapping of
6:53 of the the trails and the open space so
6:55 very simple it's this is this is
6:57 actually the larger map that you have on
6:59 your table just showing some of the the
7:01 elements that that we know that exist
7:03 today so to kind of help the exercise
7:05 along a little bit
7:09 so what we did is is to kind of educate
7:12 ourselves and thought it was important
7:14 to go back and and look at what had been
7:16 done what's been done previously
7:19 this is from the the 2010 task force
7:21 work and so this shows uh some some
7:24 mapping of the of some of the the
7:26 trails the pathways of the open spaces
7:29 the parks things like that so a pretty
7:31 complete map there's even photos that
7:33 started to indicate some of the the
7:35 character and the the
7:39 visual qualities of some of these
7:41 elements that would be
7:43 considered to be part of the
7:45 the
7:47 green necklace
7:50 so another exhibit then that
7:52 that shows a little bit more of the
7:54 advanced thinking a little bit it's a
7:57 little it's very washed out on my screen
7:58 it's clear a little clearer up there but
8:00 the idea of the different um
8:03 types of street designations and things
8:04 like this and so this is a little bit of
8:06 that hierarchy uh that we'll get into
8:08 with some of the pedestrian ways and
8:10 things like that but just an exhibit
8:12 that we thought was was valuable to
8:14 remind of where some of the work had
8:16 been
8:18 um so now fast forward 2012. so this is
8:22 out of the central issaquah plan so this
8:24 starts to show um
8:26 the the existing streets all in the in
8:28 the gray there and then some some of the
8:30 proposed new street grid um kind of
8:32 starting to give that that vision to you
8:35 know some of the changes that could be
8:36 seen in in central issaquah so we felt
8:38 like there's a pretty good mapping
8:40 exercise that had been done that was
8:42 that was good to share and and be part
8:44 of the thinking for for this evening
8:48 uh and then again from the the central
8:50 issaquah plan um this this now started
8:53 to overlay and we started to see the the
8:55 the different types of paths that we
8:57 might have i mean with the natural urban
8:59 on street things like that so we had a
9:01 lot of the corridors showing up
9:03 and then of course identifying uh the
9:05 spots where some of the open space
9:07 elements are in the open space uh again
9:10 are some of the uh
9:12 new parks uh proposed parks things like
9:14 that and then we'll break it down a
9:16 little bit further in a minute with some
9:18 of the the exercise that uh that we look
9:20 at doing so
9:24 and then all the way to uh central
9:27 isabella plans for 2015 so now we've got
9:30 a fairly you know recent example of some
9:34 of those uh those same trail elements
9:36 some of the same open space elements
9:38 brought forward to uh some of the the
9:40 current thinking about where we're going
9:42 starting to talk about some of the
9:44 proposed parks and and
9:46 some of the opportunities that uh that
9:48 were being identified kind of throughout
9:50 the the central issaquah area
9:55 and
9:56 then a mapping of the the street routes
9:59 so there's both off street
10:01 routes and on street
10:02 being able to map that and show that and
10:04 then of course with the the proposed uh
10:07 parks
10:08 showing some of those uh
10:10 i guess this one actually was doing a
10:12 little bit more with the parks and
10:13 plazas and that's another component that
10:15 we think is important we think about is
10:17 not just identifying the what we all see
10:19 is is the parks and the green spaces but
10:21 what about the urban spaces that might
10:23 be associated a bit more with the
10:25 development where do those start to
10:27 occur
10:31 and that brings us to
10:33 another layer that we wanted to bring in
10:35 and this is one of the things that we've
10:36 been working on with with the parks and
10:39 recreation is the is the park strategic
10:41 plan so stuff is gonna
10:43 run us through that
10:47 so this adds another few layers to the
10:50 thinking um there are three major
10:52 corridors that make up the backbone of
10:54 the park system and that will affect the
10:56 centralization planning so one is the
10:59 mountains to sound corridor that all of
11:01 you have heard of it's pretty well
11:03 defined for most of it's traversing
11:04 through issaquah as you can see by the
11:07 harder pink line there
11:09 but then as it reaches central issaquah
11:11 it kind of blurs out and it needs
11:13 greater definition and
11:16 there's potential for it to
11:19 traverse through central izakawa or
11:21 further south
11:23 but this could this route could
11:25 potentially become a major planning
11:26 point of the green necklace vision so
11:28 that could be something to think about
11:30 as you're mapping tonight
11:35 the second and third major corridors are
11:37 very interrelated and one is the rainier
11:40 trail which you all know transitions
11:43 into the east lakes and mamas trail
11:45 and then the site the third corridor is
11:47 the creek corridor which some of you
11:49 have heard referred to as the spine
11:51 um and then so these two corridors work
11:53 together to create a really unique green
11:56 and urban experience that cuts through
11:58 central issaquah
12:01 this proposed creek walk uses parcels
12:04 that are mostly already acquired as you
12:07 can see in the blue there
12:10 and some of these parcels are
12:12 undeveloped as yet but they will all
12:14 work together to create that creek walk
12:16 system
12:17 i'm sorry did you say that the dark blue
12:20 there are
12:22 areas yes okay yeah
12:26 so those are all parcels that the city
12:28 has to work with
12:29 and there you can see that there are
12:31 some portions that are unconnected as of
12:33 yet
12:36 yep um and then other strategic projects
12:40 proposed by the park plan um include
12:43 parks that are surrounding central
12:44 issaquah and again you can see those in
12:46 kind of the faded blue surrounding the
12:48 edges there
12:51 and um let's see sorry foster place
12:58 these blurred circles show some
13:01 strategic park project areas where um
13:04 specific parcels have not been chosen
13:07 for parks but these are recognized as
13:09 places parks are needed and you'll
13:11 notice that these coincide with some of
13:13 the major parks suggested in the 2012
13:16 and 2015 plans
13:20 other elements that will greatly affect
13:23 um the
13:24 central issaquah district that are
13:26 proposed by the strategic park plan are
13:28 these key connections to surrounding
13:30 neighborhoods
13:32 these connections could influence the
13:34 green necklace and vice versa they could
13:35 form one another inform one another
13:39 and now greg we'll be talking a little
13:40 bit about the group exercises we'll be
13:43 doing and hopefully what we've done
13:46 since we do have two groups here that
13:48 maybe work a little bit separate um by
13:51 showing some of the planning work that
13:52 had been done and now showing some of
13:54 the park work that's being done kind of
13:55 showing that you know the layers and how
13:57 we want to see that kind of come
13:58 together so a little bit of of kind of
14:00 what we what we presented there so
14:04 what we're looking at um this evening is
14:06 is on that map in front of you we've
14:08 kind of gone through the exhibits that
14:10 talked about the the different elements
14:12 in there we talked a lot about trails
14:13 and a lot about some of the open spaces
14:14 and public spaces
14:16 and so these are just some of the topics
14:19 that that we have there this isn't this
14:21 doesn't limit it there could be some
14:22 other things if you guys have other
14:24 ideas that come up of spaces and things
14:26 you think would be appropriate in your
14:27 city but we we're talking about the
14:29 major public parks
14:31 minor public parks
14:33 these images are here just to start to
14:35 give a teaser of kind of the
14:37 conversation about character and vision
14:39 and that'll be what we'll talk about in
14:41 two weeks but tonight would be about
14:42 mapping but we thought at least kind of
14:44 give just a little bit of a a start on
14:46 what what we're thinking about what some
14:48 of this stuff might actually look like
14:51 then we've got you know major public
14:53 plazas again the more urban areas and
14:55 then minor public plazas and parklets so
14:58 down to the smaller scale so these are
15:00 all scales of things that you've seen in
15:01 some of the previous mapping uh nothing
15:04 new but some ideas and vision of you
15:06 know what does it start to look like and
15:08 kind of get your your uh mind thinking
15:10 about that too
15:13 this was the again the trail so we had
15:15 trails that are on the right-of-way and
15:17 what we meant by that so top slides have
15:19 shared
15:21 shared lanes or shared
15:23 travel places and then off right away of
15:25 course trails so some examples of
15:28 varying things there that we'd think
15:30 about mapping this evening
15:34 again addition to the street grid
15:36 you know just borrowing some of the
15:37 examples of some of the study that had
15:39 been done about how the the streets
15:41 actually can work and how they can be
15:43 shared between the various uses of
15:46 people trying to get places not just
15:48 about the car but what's happening on
15:50 the
15:51 more on the edges there between the
15:52 bikes the pedestrians everybody else
15:55 moving between uh various elements
15:57 within the city
16:01 so so it's a this again a kind of a
16:03 summary slide about spaces so all of the
16:06 things that we're thinking about um with
16:08 what with regard to spaces and what we
16:10 might be planning you know the
16:12 opportunities for where these things
16:13 might occur within within the central
16:15 esquire and of course the connections
16:17 between
16:18 the elements there that are shown on the
16:21 left but also between other things that
16:23 aren't shown here which could include
16:24 businesses and homes and shopping and
16:26 whatever you know it's kind of your your
16:29 vision and your idea so where where that
16:31 actually uh
16:33 brings everything together and how it
16:34 does it so we're curious to learn there
16:36 too
16:41 getting to the exercise and kind of get
16:44 the the sharpies going and everything
16:47 these were a series of questions that
16:49 that we just developed kind of thinking
16:50 okay there's a lot of conversation about
16:52 the green necklace and what it looks
16:54 like and what does it mean
16:56 and and the
16:57 the one that we're going to focus on
16:59 here to start the exercises right there
17:01 in the center is what does success of
17:02 the green necklace look like
17:05 everybody's going to have kind of their
17:06 own ideas and things like that so we
17:07 wanted to start there
17:09 but
17:10 as we kind of
17:12 work through this this evening as some
17:13 of the other you know questions that
17:15 were just
17:16 why the green necklace um
17:18 how would you describe the green
17:19 necklace to someone that doesn't live in
17:21 the area
17:23 it's my favorite because i got asked
17:25 this in a presentation one time if you
17:28 or the new york times wrote an article
17:30 about the green necklace what would the
17:31 headline say so kind of very succinctly
17:34 how would you describe it how would you
17:36 give that
17:37 i kind of mentioned the next one what
17:39 are we connecting
17:40 think about that home school transit
17:42 services businesses shops what are we
17:45 what are we connecting
17:48 where do you want to pause so you're
17:50 making you're making connections but
17:51 what's what's happening for where we
17:53 pause parks plazas intersections are
17:55 these natural are they built those
17:57 different types of things
17:59 what experiences and opportunities are
18:01 desired
18:03 and then
18:05 central esqua plan and the parks treaty
18:06 plan are refining and defining the green
18:08 necklace what other planning efforts if
18:10 you have some other things in mind
18:11 because we know there's a lot of
18:12 activity and just even working on the
18:14 park strategic plan i think we were
18:16 handed about eight or nine other
18:18 planning efforts in the city that are
18:20 happening that we wanted to be aware of
18:21 to see how how we might dovetail that
18:24 the park strategic plan
18:26 i thought we'd throw that up there as an
18:27 idea so
18:29 so i think that the what we're we're
18:31 doing with the the exercise then is just
18:33 to start in groups and i think what
18:35 we'll do
18:37 do we need to move people around
18:39 at all
18:41 good good expectation a good mix connie
18:44 do you want to join
18:45 danielle and jonathan
18:49 great that's great yeah okay
18:58 i think we're fine i think we're good
19:00 good okay so
19:01 everybody's where they need to be so we
19:03 don't have any shuffling so we thought
19:05 what we'd do is just start you know i
19:06 know maybe this is the first five ten
19:09 minutes here um is to just take a a
19:12 minute to think about that question the
19:14 post-it notes and sharpies write down
19:17 your your thoughts on what does the
19:19 success of the green necklace look like
19:20 i mean if it's a word um you know that
19:23 describes it or if you need to write a
19:25 sentence or something like that
19:27 just give us some indication of what you
19:29 think it is we'll collect those uh we'll
19:32 have somebody come and join each table
19:35 i'll join a table
19:36 stephanie um yes
19:40 before we go into the exercise
19:42 the question you're asking here is
19:44 what's the success of the green necklace
19:46 look like can i ask what success for
19:48 this meeting would look like
19:50 because we've got parks and we've got
19:52 planning and we've got
19:54 community members here so what is the
19:57 goal what are you trying to get out of
19:59 it and what will be the benefit for each
20:01 of those groups okay
20:03 so the i think what the goal that we're
20:05 after is is
20:07 resulting out of this mapping exercise
20:09 is an indication from all the collective
20:12 minds of
20:13 what what are some of the the connecting
20:15 routes so are they showing on these maps
20:18 are there some that you need to create
20:21 what are they
20:22 are they again
20:24 trails are they on right of way are they
20:26 off right of way um do we want to have
20:30 interconnecting pathways through
20:32 alleyways i don't you know it can be
20:34 whatever you think it is but this idea
20:36 of of having everybody kind of map out
20:39 what the priority or at least their
20:41 their their their strongest feelings
20:43 desires are there and then
20:45 also identify where it seems like spaces
20:48 that that people could gather
20:52 if we if we think about central issaquah
20:54 we know there's a lot of potential
20:56 and we're kind of waiting to see it
20:58 happen
20:59 and
21:00 uh you you get to a corner where you
21:03 could see it developing
21:05 you know something happening on all four
21:06 corners of that maybe part of it's
21:08 already developed but
21:09 would part of it be carved out for some
21:12 other purpose so that you know
21:14 community members could stop and gather
21:16 maybe it's partly for that business to
21:18 to spill out and engage but kind of
21:20 creating that you know a more social
21:22 atmosphere and some of those
21:24 maybe some of it's
21:25 mid block
21:27 uh doesn't
21:28 it what i'm hearing from you is this is
21:32 a lot of
21:33 mapping where we want roots where do we
21:35 think plazas can be things like that and
21:38 i think that's great for parks but i'm
21:40 not sure that's what ppc needs
21:43 at this point of the plan so i'm
21:45 wondering if there's anything here
21:47 that's going to
21:48 help give us what we need while we're
21:51 talking through the central plan to know
21:55 what where the green network necklace is
21:59 going to be so that we can include that
22:03 in our next facebook plan
22:06 and let me just jump in with that i'll
22:08 try to talk about
22:11 so we don't have the is key map that
22:13 we're trying to get a map that's sort of
22:15 more agreed upon with ppc and park board
22:19 so that it's sort of the framework for
22:21 them parks is going to launch out from
22:22 the strategic plan but we're going to
22:24 take that mapping exercise into our
22:26 visions and
22:28 have that more defined
22:30 it's only perfect it won't have all the
22:32 details but it will be more than we want
22:34 that we have now so this is this is the
22:36 refine the page or two
22:38 yes
22:42 does that work
22:45 what were you going to say
22:47 yeah well
22:49 so this isn't just a parks exercise i
22:52 guess what i would what i would how i
22:54 would respond to that and what i
22:55 understand within the central
22:57 visions there's this
22:59 definition of the necklace that is one
23:01 element of that visions
23:03 i think the goal tonight the focus
23:04 tonight is that is the necklace how do
23:07 we take
23:08 let's not start from scratch we're not
23:10 starting from scratch tonight let's take
23:12 the work that's been done by both groups
23:16 by the original task force and let's
23:19 see if we can
23:20 if we can identify
23:22 the corridors if we can identify
23:26 utilizing our existing parks how do we
23:28 start linking our existing parks
23:31 what are these particular corridors that
23:33 we really want to not just
23:35 hypothetically put dots to but let's
23:38 define it
23:41 stephanie spoke to the spine
23:44 just use that as an example within the
23:46 parks plan we
23:49 really want to set a vision this spine
23:51 is has a much bigger relationship with
23:53 all the city not just central issac law
23:55 so it's really this idea of how do we go
23:57 from squawk
23:59 park uh our southern border all the way
24:01 to lake samamish and not just
24:03 hypothetically hope it but let's take
24:05 the properties we have let's take our
24:07 existing parks let's take our existing
24:09 assets the rainier trail
24:11 these properties we have in the creek
24:12 block and let's
24:14 let's really shape and identify the
24:15 quarter and then start to identify
24:17 strategic projects where we can bite by
24:19 bite start to make that happen
24:22 if in an ideal world i don't know that
24:24 this all happens tonight i would love to
24:26 see that that feels to me like one edge
24:29 of a necklace that feels like one piece
24:31 of the necklace now as
24:33 as the parks director and i
24:36 the police helps planners as well in the
24:38 planning commission
24:39 or ppc is
24:42 how might we
24:44 define the rest of what this necklace is
24:46 in that
24:47 type of a way in a more succinct defined
24:51 way that now
24:52 informs the park plan it might also
24:54 inform
24:56 future planning work it might inform as
24:59 developers begin to come when the
25:01 moratorium's gone
25:04 here's an identified corridor it is
25:06 development is on that corridor in your
25:07 boat you're going to be part of the
25:09 public system or part of the necklace
25:11 okay let's
25:12 move on into it
25:14 okay okay can i ask here yeah two
25:17 clarifying questions uh you have some
25:19 assumptions one is the amount of sound
25:21 greenway is only one
25:23 and i've always pictured it on both
25:25 sides of the freeway because before it
25:26 was on the other side of the freeway so
25:29 we're free to redraw your assumptions
25:31 please absolutely and then the other
25:34 thing is you don't talk about public
25:36 private parks
25:38 or private public parks or even private
25:41 private parks as part of the parks
25:44 system but i think we're actually going
25:46 to have
25:47 a lot of that within the central asia
25:49 plan and
25:52 that one's a little more difficult to
25:54 connect but i think it needs to be
25:56 connected with the public system in some
25:58 way
25:59 any ideas on how to think about that
26:02 yes i
26:04 would agree um the exercise tonight is
26:07 not i think as we set up
26:09 this opportunity for an east west
26:11 corridor the mountain sound greenway
26:14 trail
26:15 as you begin working on that as a group
26:17 yes please if you have ideas or thoughts
26:19 on what where you think that corridor
26:21 makes the most sense
26:24 let's let's have that discussion tonight
26:26 i think to your point connie that yeah
26:29 the necklace is going to be a layer of
26:32 public parks
26:34 and private
26:36 privately owned private maintained
26:38 spaces parks places absolutely
26:41 we're not trying to differentiate those
26:43 tonight i think as as you think about
26:45 what those spaces are or or how you
26:48 might want those spaces to
26:50 to be or where you think they they seem
26:52 to naturally make sense um
26:55 certainly put those into the plan i i
26:57 think as we take this work
27:00 tonight and put some definition to it
27:04 i think
27:08 the necklace is both
27:10 but there's likely what's going to be
27:12 helpful for us in defining is
27:14 differentiating what we think is the
27:16 public system and what we think is the
27:18 private system because as we then
27:20 strategically take steps to
27:22 make it happen
27:24 the steps needed for the city to
27:26 create the public portion of the system
27:28 are different
27:31 different steps it's different work than
27:36 the city influencing encouraging
27:39 the private elements
27:44 then i did flip back to the slide just
27:45 to point that out that the idea was that
27:48 it's it's
27:49 any
27:50 space it wasn't supposed to be just um
27:52 publicly held and publicly maintained
27:55 and programmed it was just places that
27:57 the public can go to is kind of what
27:59 we're doing so this could be about
28:01 public or private opportunities so
28:07 yeah so i've got three questions
28:10 first one is
28:12 as far as the mountains of sound
28:20 [Music]
28:28 let
28:42 so questions specific to how is the
28:44 mountains the sound greenway trail going
28:45 to happen and get done we're not going
28:47 to be able to answer that tonight we're
28:48 trying we're trying to map and identify
28:50 where we want it
28:51 um what what is the vision what is the
28:54 location that seems that makes sense for
28:56 us to do it implementation of this work
29:01 is going to be bite by bite it's going
29:03 to be a combination of a lot of those
29:04 things
29:05 i think as we identify the corridor
29:07 though as we identify where we want this
29:09 to be and where
29:10 we think the opportunities are on right
29:13 away
29:14 and that's going to set
29:15 different strategies for how that
29:17 happens where we see their opportunity
29:18 or need for it to be off right away
29:20 that's going to allow us to set
29:22 different strategies
29:25 for how we make that happen who isn't
29:27 the aspiration
29:28 but it's gonna yes it's gonna have sent
29:30 an evening and
29:32 you might have said this already
29:35 with your question and i don't know if
29:36 this is
29:44 i think network was discussed by ppc so
29:49 hey network it is
30:00 but you go from central areas to all the
30:02 different
30:04 parts of the city and
30:06 what you're supposed to be doing which
30:08 is where you are is to connect the whole
30:10 cities yes unifying the whole thing now
30:13 how does that whole system relate to
30:17 i love the idea of a network so um
30:20 we have our groups we're going to have
30:22 facilitators at each
30:24 table we want to talk through what you
30:27 want the first
30:28 task or exercise to be you need to
30:31 collect the
30:33 tabs from the
30:38 yeah i think i don't think everybody got
30:39 a chance to jump in on that so
30:41 it was good to do some questions i think
30:43 we forgot that part on the uh
30:46 was to allow questions so good to go but
30:47 i think quick if we can just kind of go
30:50 through that for five ten minutes and
30:52 write down that uh go back to the
30:54 questions you know what does the success
30:56 look like to you and then we'll collect
30:58 those as we get somebody assigned to
31:00 each table to kind of
31:02 help out so and away we go yep get a
31:05 facilitator at each
31:07 helper at each table
31:13 should i designate someone to go first
31:15 i love
31:16 it and i'm going to ask you guys to come
31:18 up here so
31:20 [Music]
31:21 the wondrous world of video can
31:24 i'll be your manager
31:28 okay
31:31 we talked about a few things the idea of
31:34 connections to these kind of
31:37 major arteries which are
31:39 the commuters
31:41 and so the idea that you can come down
31:43 to mount south greenway we feel like it
31:45 really needs to be connected into
31:47 confluence to be able to get to
31:49 this north south rainier trail we talked
31:52 about this being
31:54 more of a commuter
31:56 by way whereas this creek area is more
31:59 about the walking connection between
32:02 that
32:04 we talked about the idea down here where
32:06 you're going to have a lot of people
32:08 that
32:09 we want to look at things like green
32:11 roofs or a promenade with plazas as kind
32:15 of their connections there but then it's
32:17 important to get you down to tibbetts
32:20 wayfinding here for the trails to make
32:23 it easier for somebody who's coming
32:26 through
32:26 not only to get them to their farther
32:30 away destination but also wayfinding
32:33 within to say hey here's your nearest
32:35 park here's how you get down to the
32:38 plaza and you're
32:40 five miles away from poopoo point
32:42 um so that idea of connected
32:46 things anything else
32:51 oh we felt like this area um
32:54 fine for bikers who are doing commuting
32:56 but it really needs more of a scenic
32:58 walking path and something that connects
33:01 you to lake smash state park along with
33:03 this entrance to make that more
33:05 connected in on the north side
33:14 [Applause]
33:36 um so
33:37 we so we define the green necklace as
33:40 you have a series of jewels and then you
33:41 have kind of green threads that can hold
33:43 things together into the necklace
33:45 and so
33:46 kind of your your existing jewels and
33:48 you've got like spanish park you've got
33:50 you've got the mountains it's one of the
33:51 things that we talked about are what are
33:53 new new jewels that we'd love to see
33:55 added one big one that we thought would
33:56 be great is
33:58 we put right here in the middle on on on
34:00 on i-90 as the prospective station for
34:03 the san francisco and then the vision
34:05 was that station itself would become
34:07 become a jewel in the sense that there
34:08 would be open space and that would be
34:10 the way that would allow
34:12 the two neighborhoods to transcend 990
34:14 so that would very much be an anchor
34:15 that things would pass through and we
34:17 talked about other jewels
34:19 a lot of you seen a lot of long-term a
34:20 lot of the plans there's a passing of
34:23 i-90 that's kind of around here uh west
34:26 of uh the interchange and then using
34:28 that bridge is very much like a gateway
34:30 so the bridge itself is an individual
34:32 people can go to have viewports from the
34:34 bridge that's something that people want
34:36 to go to as a destination and we also
34:38 talked about reorienting lakes member
34:40 state park the park has a lot of great
34:42 resources in the park really taking
34:44 advantage of particularly this space
34:46 right here
34:47 and what you guys talk about having a
34:49 better walking path there that's great
34:50 but then even more than that using all
34:52 this open space here making that that
34:54 more active and then also ensuring that
34:56 there's pedestrian access here where
34:58 there's your car access and improving
35:00 pedestrian access here for people of
35:02 east lake which they can get directly
35:04 into the park on the bike and sometimes
35:09 kind of talked about how do you have
35:11 this bridge here i think you're gonna
35:12 have good flow
35:14 coming from kind of a gateway
35:15 neighborhood in into gilman and the last
35:18 thing we've talked about in making sure
35:19 you have kind of a poor green thread
35:22 that connects from uh you've got the
35:24 creek path and you've got confluence
35:25 park lakes family park make sure that's
35:28 one long continuous trail that people
35:30 can access and then it's a destination
35:32 path by itself in addition to you know
35:35 the nice trails that we have
35:37 on the long range
35:40 oh and then one thing that was learning
35:41 about was really cool when we suggested
35:43 was having access straight up the side
35:45 of the mountain
35:46 so you can get from from the island down
35:48 here not simply because right now you
35:50 have to wrap around quite lengthy but
35:52 here having some sort of either whether
35:54 it be stairs or some sort of switchback
35:56 so that people can go straight up and
35:58 down and get from the highlands to the
36:00 north to what's north of 90 directly a
36:03 really good addition
36:08 very nice thank you
36:11 [Applause]
36:20 you guys
36:29 all right so um we talked about a couple
36:32 of different things uh we kind of went
36:33 off the grid a little bit
36:35 we were
36:37 thinking talus over here doesn't have
36:38 any connection so
36:41 there is a
36:43 sort of connection that goes through a
36:45 caroline trail on spock mountain so it's
36:49 already there's no development there so
36:50 it might be a good way to just follow
36:52 through
36:56 downtown
36:57 and then we're talking about using the
37:02 rounds of sound
37:04 trail already and connected
37:07 uh coming down this side here we're not
37:09 really sure this is a really great way
37:10 to do it as far as an experience goes
37:12 because it's kind of a
37:14 it's happening
37:15 just doesn't make sense
37:17 but if you
37:18 truncate it here it's more of a
37:20 comfortable experience coming through
37:21 here
37:23 and while we're in this area here
37:25 actually have a
37:27 people closet that's lengthwise you have
37:29 to have a view corridor coming down into
37:31 this area here and all this would become
37:33 open space
37:36 and then
37:38 moving through here
37:40 down to this point here which is now
37:42 newport is we're already going to put in
37:43 a new road here so let's kind of take
37:45 advantage of the fact that we have a
37:46 shared
37:47 pathway
37:49 where people and pedestrians and
37:51 bicyclists will feel safe connected to
37:53 sunset so you have a bike path coming
37:55 down through sunset
37:57 to the trail hub here and actually make
37:59 it a major connection for our trail
38:02 because now you can go up
38:03 to um
38:05 islands you can go up to grand ridge and
38:07 you can actually take tiger mountain via
38:09 there's a service road that's
38:12 a double track trail
38:14 and you can actually take that down to
38:16 the back side of the high school so now
38:17 you're connecting old town
38:19 and hyman's via trail to
38:23 the high school and if you actually went
38:24 further you can probably connect it to a
38:26 dirt road that goes up to the top of
38:28 tigers now you have
38:29 cyclists wanting to come through
38:31 issaquah making it as a destination
38:34 via the mountain sound corridor
38:37 and they have the option of being able
38:38 to go up to tiger and then go to
38:40 mountain bike park or two
38:42 take this trail up here either to grand
38:44 ridge or to fall city and continue on so
38:47 now you literally go from seattle to
38:50 almost north bend
38:52 via right through here and as people
38:54 come through here
38:55 they stop at like standard barbecue or
38:58 sandwich shop and they spend money in
38:59 our downtown and then they continue on
39:03 and then up here we also talked about
39:05 some connectivities because
39:08 we feel
39:09 if this gets redeveloped home depot fred
39:12 meyer area to share boost and how are
39:14 people going to get comfortably from
39:15 here to here unless there's an overpass
39:18 right here this is not a very
39:20 comfortable experience going across
39:22 like spanish
39:24 same with here this is a really
39:26 dangerous section of the road and so
39:28 there's no way
39:30 for this trail to connect to here it was
39:32 just
39:33 i think it's a street right now
39:36 and then
39:37 as this area develops
39:39 more offices and so on putting trails in
39:42 here so that people can actually
39:44 have a lunchtime destination to the
39:46 state park put in a few
39:48 connector reels or connectors here
39:51 bridges so that people can actually
39:52 maybe do a blue
39:54 and
39:55 lunchtime loop
39:57 um and right here
39:59 and
40:00 overpass so we can connect these lakes
40:02 and manage trail across uh west lake
40:06 city
40:07 sorry across here because it's such a
40:10 dangerous intersection um and
40:13 like with aj was saying
40:15 with st3 going in we're not exactly sure
40:17 where it's going to go but maybe having
40:20 you know putting in some sort of
40:21 connections let me just put a across
40:22 here to kind of show
40:24 witty connectivity but we're not sure
40:26 exactly where or how to put that in
40:28 there yet
40:29 and here's a suggestion with view
40:32 corridors so
40:33 the state park has a view of
40:37 of mountaineer
40:40 and
40:43 see what else do we have here
40:47 wetlands so right here there's a
40:49 wetlands area um kind of useless to
40:52 actually build anything close to it
40:54 because the buildings are going to have
40:55 to sink unless you have really big
40:57 highlands so make this part of a people
41:00 plaza too with maybe the parks in where
41:02 trader joe's is today so you can utilize
41:05 a wetlands area
41:07 if you want to develop it as a wetlands
41:09 with a fountain or just a wetlands with
41:11 a park adjacent to it so people have
41:13 something to look at that's enjoyable
41:15 instead of being sort of in the middle
41:17 of an urban
41:22 [Music]
41:30 [Applause]
41:45 all right
41:51 all right
41:52 uh so
41:54 adding on to a lot of things that have
41:56 already been said
41:58 we spent a good amount of time talking
42:00 about
42:01 continuity of the mountains to sound
42:03 greenway
42:05 and the purple route is kind of what
42:08 we were thinking so coming in and if
42:11 there's a way to come down
42:12 kind of the backside of gateway and that
42:16 advantage of that crossing that kind of
42:17 connects to
42:19 the state park
42:20 and then there's kind of a couple ways
42:22 that bikes could go right so kind of
42:25 meander through
42:26 through what's the existing business
42:28 park
42:29 um we thought this kind of solid route
42:32 that we had there would be
42:34 taking advantage of the nice stream and
42:37 that would be the nice way to go and
42:39 then maybe
42:40 the trail is the fast way to go
42:44 and then a big point would be to
42:47 maximize the use of this potential
42:50 gateway which is right now kind of a
42:52 stopping point to get from that trail
42:55 into old town this is the intersection
42:58 of gilman yeah and we're in your trail
43:00 and it's like trail yeah so that making
43:03 that kind of a place and a
43:05 a gateway that's
43:07 safe for
43:09 all modes to come through and then
43:14 we talked a lot about newport
43:16 didn't really
43:17 know what to do with it but there's
43:19 something that's got to happen
43:22 through here that we talked about and
43:24 with the new school development
43:26 happening if there's a way to connect
43:28 newport to confluence that's
43:30 pretty obvious and take advantage of
43:32 that
43:34 i thought that would be great
43:35 and then like everyone else has said
43:37 whoever sound transit ends up we even
43:40 talked about having that be like a
43:42 mercer island type of lid
43:44 that's a nice green space on top or or
43:48 around um that's really nice so
43:51 anything
43:52 else take advantage of that opportunity
43:59 what's up another 28 year part there
44:04 it's a big
44:08 [Applause]
44:25 okay um
44:27 let's see some similarities we had um
44:32 potential
44:34 pedestrian plot like a plaza um
44:37 on this side of tibbetts i guess that's
44:40 northeast
44:41 upside down
44:43 with a connection um connecting and that
44:46 is a great view corridor so
44:48 some sort of wide connection from the
44:50 park to the plaza
44:52 we talked about um
44:54 a bridge that would then connect um
44:58 there's a there's a not a light there
45:00 right now but if you came from this
45:02 plaza onto
45:04 the boardwalk then you can get to
45:06 thanksgiving state park um we also
45:09 talked about having newport is so busy
45:12 and filming is right next to the freeway
45:15 so really having the main kind of nice
45:18 pleasant pedestrian way to get through
45:19 town
45:20 being an extension of mall street and
45:22 going
45:23 um through this current development
45:25 which would change with redevelopment
45:28 and having um and that there would be a
45:29 park something's missing in this area if
45:32 you were to redevelop and so we're going
45:34 to work there
45:35 okay and then um closer to like some
45:36 amish um
45:39 we just thought you need many
45:40 connections there's no easy way to get
45:44 you could cross the street and into
45:46 lakes of america
45:47 we also
45:48 have a lid park
45:50 right
45:51 from the same place that others would
45:52 put it
45:54 or at least a bridge so a way to connect
45:58 and then what else do we have um over
46:01 here where like where there's um
46:04 like fred meyer and i guess what the
46:06 other party store is has a great view of
46:08 the rainier and so um when this area is
46:11 redeveloped that would be a great place
46:12 to have a park
46:14 or like something you use like the top
46:16 of a building
46:18 for green space
46:23 we also talked about
46:24 doing connecting um well it's a missing
46:28 link that we all want to do but the lake
46:31 samantha state park the south cove and
46:33 then to the um that lake to lake trail
46:35 which is just a natural movie natural
46:37 connection somehow and then also
46:40 connecting going over the freeway
46:41 connecting
46:43 um with this area that's being rebuilt
46:44 you know and then what else do this um
46:46 remember your group was you guys were
46:48 talking about the center greenway trail
46:50 you were thinking
46:52 north side of i-90 as well yeah
46:59 yeah
47:00 and
47:04 oh this area here um
47:06 which it goes from like like cement
47:07 state park to kind of where um anymore
47:09 is just having something
47:12 some sort of safe pleasant connection
47:14 that's intuitive to cross that area
47:19 yep and i think that's
47:22 that's most of it
47:25 [Applause]
47:34 what do you think of all this
47:36 i think
47:45 bridging i-90 which is i-90 was one of
47:47 the trouble things
47:49 we've always seen is
47:51 two halves of central issaquah with i90
47:53 going through it and then you know just
47:54 this idea
47:56 his location and this idea of becoming
47:58 kind of this
47:59 bridge to
48:01 connect to the two sides of that cell
48:03 and then
48:05 a lot of a lot of great input about kind
48:07 of these connections around
48:11 i didn't see a lot of
48:14 ideas about
48:15 places within some of the neighborhoods
48:18 that might get redeveloped we've got a
48:20 little bit of that broke i mean i saw
48:22 the grid broken down on some of the
48:24 wrongs but just started to see some of
48:26 those coming in there into those spaces
48:28 too
48:29 so we'll kind of have to look at all
48:33 one the maps
48:33 jobs take them all back with us and we
48:35 kind of
48:36 meld it kind of collectively bring it
48:38 back
48:40 to look at uh think about the structure
48:42 of the next meeting because we're gonna
48:44 want to report back on this a lot of
48:45 hard work here so we want to show
48:47 everybody kind of what what we learned
48:49 from that and and then kind of evolve it
48:52 into
48:53 the character of some of these elements
48:56 that have been knocked out on here and
48:57 that would be
48:58 at least right now we have changes
49:11 the commonalities some of the
49:12 differences
49:14 we might have to map some alternates on
49:16 some of these things just to say and
49:18 then get your feedback next time
49:23 a couple things i heard if i can
49:27 connectivity connectivity connectivity
49:29 and even
49:30 how how you all are defining success of
49:32 this network it's really about linking
49:36 and that was certainly reinforced in the
49:38 conversations we heard
49:39 i think that's going to help
49:41 i think a firm as we think about
49:42 character and hierarchy
49:45 what's this hierarchy and i know as we
49:47 were talking earlier about this
49:48 differentiation of public scale
49:51 space and and these important private
49:54 plazas
49:56 it's another way that at least i start
49:58 thinking of hierarchy not not a new
50:00 level of importance but hierarchy of
50:02 almost role what they're being asked to
50:06 but yeah lots of lots of great thought i
50:09 think another thing i heard in all of
50:11 the groups was all right
50:14 it's central issaquah and this is what i
50:16 think was so helpful hearing
50:18 the lens of of the ppc members and the
50:20 lens of the park board members is
50:24 as we think of issaquah in this
50:26 important work we can't think of it in
50:27 isolation it's it's part of this grander
50:31 it's part of the bigger city but as
50:33 we're thinking of a network that's going
50:35 to support
50:36 the
50:37 centralistic area how is it also
50:39 connected to and supporting
50:41 the bigger city so i appreciate it i
50:44 think everybody's lines went
50:46 within and also
50:48 outside
50:50 and i just i think that's a very
50:51 important takeaway that's
50:53 i think affirming if i could speak for
50:55 the park board members as we've been
50:57 thinking of that bigger lens and now we
50:58 want to take that bigger lens and really
51:00 focus it into how is this truly
51:02 supporting
51:04 centralistic law and
51:05 the redevelopment goals um the
51:07 development goals of centralistic laws
51:10 it's definitely this inside outside
51:12 connection
51:14 i just want to share that um i think
51:16 that there are already
51:18 like in my opinion we have a lot of
51:20 connections already we have to know them
51:22 and they're here to find them right and
51:24 so that's one of the things that our
51:26 group talked about that really it
51:27 resonated with me is that we want
51:29 anybody like a tourist or a visitor or a
51:32 resident to be able to walk outside
51:43 [Music]
51:55 i also heard a lot about the difference
51:57 between the higher speed
52:00 commuter bike ways and also having
52:03 spaces that were for
52:05 walking scenic something like that
52:08 and so looking at that on your north
52:10 south and also
52:11 your east west and inter city yeah trail
52:15 experience
52:16 right and there's a you know trails it's
52:18 a misnomer there's conflict of speed and
52:20 conflict of experience on trails too
52:23 that we have to be aware of yeah that's
52:24 a great point
52:27 yeah mary well one of the things that we
52:29 talked with the task force and i brought
52:31 up again here was you know with light
52:34 rail coming
52:35 but when we get visitors here is we
52:37 don't want all the visitors just driving
52:39 here
52:40 and so by having this conductivity or
52:43 connectivity they kept it by
52:58 it's this
52:59 connecting these that um
53:02 yeah great opportunity
53:04 well thank you
53:07 sorry i'm late to this neighborhood okay
53:09 so if this are being covered
53:13 this is overall concept that these great
53:15 tools in his life who's responsible for
53:18 maintaining that maybe outside of
53:20 specific parks
53:22 areas public spaces green national trees
53:25 river beds
53:31 that's a very broad question yeah i
53:33 think it
53:35 depends on what it is
53:43 maintaining the natural beauty that we
53:45 have not just
53:47 green spaces but also the gems and how
53:49 they'll get maintained outside of the
53:51 park area
53:53 no that's a great point again i guess i
53:55 would speak to hierarchy i think that
53:56 becomes that hierarchy piece is what is
53:58 public skill what is what is of a public
54:01 scale that
54:02 there's a public stewardship public
54:04 maintenance piece but then there's other
54:06 jewels exactly right that might be
54:08 private
54:09 or have a different purpose that
54:13 could be publicly accessible but they're
54:15 going to be privately maintained
54:17 and privately owned
54:22 so thank you any other closing thoughts
54:26 takeaways this was awesome i really
54:28 liked the map being able to come out and
54:31 collaborate on it and drawing
54:33 this was really
54:35 it was a successful way
54:39 thoughts on paper and as we were putting
54:42 them on paper
54:43 then we started
54:45 the conversation oh what about this
54:47 about that so i think this is a really
54:49 cool way to
55:04 but you're
55:18 is to also look at those as
55:19 opportunities not simply to put in new
55:21 roads but to use that right away it's a
55:24 very broad western boulevard as opposed
55:26 to simply just to get another street
55:30 cool
55:34 from here
55:36 greg and stephanie and team are going to
55:39 take this info and begin to
55:42 deduce it compile it uh
55:44 bake it a little bit put their
55:46 professional lens on it the intention is
55:48 to come back on the 22nd with some um
55:52 with
55:53 product with we'll see yeah
55:56 it's one of those things i said at the
55:57 end of the evening we'll kind of see
55:58 where we are if everyone had drawn the
56:00 same map it would
56:10 and maybe even show those and say here's
56:12 some things that's not bad um
56:16 maybe there are some things that are
56:17 considered depending on the direction
56:19 that other things go without
56:20 transmitting or whatever influences we
56:22 have and just have that that shown back
56:24 and then i think um
56:26 you know
56:27 i think i'll be
56:29 ample time to kind of do that
56:33 revisit back with you and
56:35 get your thoughts on that but then also
56:38 dive a little deeper into this character
56:40 pieces and that's probably going to be
56:42 more a visual exercise kind of what we
56:44 already started with the slides you see
56:45 up there and we'll just expand those out
56:48 into some of the
56:49 character and materiality and
56:52 experience and things like that and
56:54 make sure that as we define these
56:57 elements on a plan
56:59 we have a way to share the vision with
57:01 other people that aren't part of this
57:03 meeting aren't part of the plan any more
57:04 part of the park that they can actually
57:06 then see oh okay can i suggest something
57:09 yes update this because this has your
57:14 visuals for connections
57:17 and also the character ideas
57:21 all in one it communicates it very well
57:24 and there's it there is also a task
57:25 force matrix that was
57:27 done that started to get into the
57:30 various character elements and starting
57:31 to assign images and it
57:34 we could see a few more images added to
57:35 it but it was a great it was a great
57:37 basis for uh
57:45 thank you planning policy commission
57:47 thank you for letting us invade
57:49 i hope you felt it was constructive and
57:51 useful
57:52 i hope this is driving to where i know
57:54 we're all on timelines in terms of these
57:58 central school visions
58:00 and us adopting a park strategy plan so
58:03 our goal is for this to be very
58:04 efficient
58:06 and
58:07 again unified let's let's take these
58:09 planning documents and have them married
58:12 together so
58:13 thank you very much