Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, April 12, 2018 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Feb 22, 2018 Planning Policy Commission · Feb 28, 2018 Planning Policy Commission · Mar 8, 2018

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Staff report:

Planning Policy Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Trish Heinonen, Planning Manager policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides Email guidance and direction for Issaquah’s future growth through continued review and improvement to the Regular Members City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related 2018 – Joy Lewis land use documents. 2018 – Jon Stob 2018 – Carl Swedberg Membership 2018 – Lindsey Walsh The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2019 – Joan Probala seven regular members, with four-year terms; and 2020 – Ron Faul several alternates, with two-year terms. All 2020 – Troy Rahmig members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire Alternate Members April 30 of the year listed. For more information, 2018 – AJ McGauley see IMC 18.03. 2018 – Vacant 2018 – Vacant 2018 – Vacant

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of March 22, 2018

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Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Feb 22, 2018 Planning Policy Commission · Feb 28, 2018 Planning Policy Commission · Mar 8, 2018

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION MINUTES

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Citywide Strategic Plan: Outreach

David Fujimoto, Sustainability Director

▶ Watch from 59:26

7:05 PM Update, (R) Remanded back to PPC from Council

Christen Leeson, Senior Planner

▶ Watch from 1:00:16

5. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Upcoming Schedule

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0:13 ↗ good evening and welcome to the April

0:18 ↗ 12th meeting the Planning Policy

0:20 ↗ Commission

0:21 ↗ tonight we are going to talk about the

0:25 ↗ plans for old town but before we do that

0:28 ↗ we have to approve the minutes from the

0:32 ↗ last meeting

0:34 ↗ that's 22nd and I have a motion to

0:38 ↗ approve a minute I'd like to make a

0:40 ↗ motion to approve the minutes of March

0:42 ↗ 22nd 2018 second is there any discussion

0:45 ↗ changes direction all those in favor say

0:50 ↗ aye

0:51 ↗ machine carries if you had looked at the

0:56 ↗ agenda online you would know that we

0:59 ↗ were going to talk about the strategic

1:02 ↗ plan this evening but that's been

1:03 ↗ changed David isn't able to get here so

1:07 ↗ we're going to move that to may sometime

1:11 ↗ on a May meeting

1:13 ↗ so with that we're going to go right

1:15 ↗ into Old Town and Kristen is going to

1:17 ↗ give us some updates on some of the

1:19 ↗ changes that have been made

1:28 ↗ Oh so why are we here again so you may

1:34 ↗ remember that we did an update to the

1:36 ↗ old town plan old town Siberia plan and

1:39 ↗ you all made a recommendation to PPC I

1:41 ↗ mean I'm sorry to the City Council back

1:43 ↗ in April of last year I always feel like

1:49 ↗ I'm too loud made a recommendation to

1:53 ↗ PPC back in April 27th of last to City

1:55 ↗ Council on April 27th last year and

1:59 ↗ during that they the council saw it

2:01 ↗ three times in June July and August and

2:03 ↗ it evolved quite a bit during their

2:05 ↗ review and it's enough particularly in

2:09 ↗ formatting and a few other areas that we

2:10 ↗ thought it was worth and council thought

2:12 ↗ it was worth a second look and a second

2:14 ↗ public hearing by PPC so tonight it's

2:16 ↗ just discussion and to talk in

2:18 ↗ particular about four points that our

2:21 ↗ could change that have changed so it's

2:24 ↗ to see what you all think

2:26 ↗ so what requires a second look does this

2:29 ↗ draft capture our previous intent and

2:33 ↗ I'm assuming that you all have done your

2:36 ↗ homework and we can talk about that at

2:37 ↗ the end of this did we learn anything

2:39 ↗ through the CIP visions that we might

2:41 ↗ want to apply here keeping in mind that

2:43 ↗ those visions haven't been adopted yet

2:44 ↗ but is there something in that process

2:47 ↗ that we want to apply here as well are

2:49 ↗ the addition of action items helpful

2:51 ↗ here hmm and should you may recall that

2:55 ↗ you all recommendation that old route 10

2:58 ↗ be removed from the central Issaquah

3:00 ↗ plan and now it's hanging out there and

3:02 ↗ so should that be added or at least a

3:04 ↗ part of it added to Old Town so

3:10 ↗ primarily what changed is the format

3:12 ↗ when we looked at the new one and we

3:14 ↗ looked at the old one and we looked at

3:16 ↗ the policies they were many more

3:18 ↗ policies but those policies were still

3:20 ↗ incorporated we feel into the existing

3:22 ↗ document and I need you guys at the end

3:24 ↗ of this to tell me whether you agree

3:25 ↗ with that or not traffic calming I just

3:28 ↗ want to bring it up traffic calming was

3:29 ↗ something that was brought up often by

3:31 ↗ residents during the public process and

3:32 ↗ it came up here as well so there's a

3:35 ↗ policy still in the plan but it's also

3:38 ↗ being implemented right now there's a

3:39 ↗ pilot program

3:40 ↗ going on in Old Town and discussions

3:42 ↗ have been started with those residents

3:44 ↗ parking the council has directed us to

3:47 ↗ find more efficient parking or a

3:50 ↗ location for a parking site and our

3:52 ↗ request for proposal is going out very

3:54 ↗ soon to get a consultant to help us do a

3:56 ↗ parking study in the old town area

3:59 ↗ biggest change is probably the addition

4:01 ↗ of the action items that were not

4:03 ↗ anywhere there before I sort of mimics

4:06 ↗ the visions and a potential change like

4:09 ↗ I said earlier the boundary change so

4:12 ↗ I'm going to walk through some of the

4:13 ↗ action items and obviously a date would

4:15 ↗ probably change we're already into April

4:16 ↗ of 2018

4:17 ↗ so maybe 2018 2019 we'll figure it out

4:19 ↗ but right now I just want to just be

4:21 ↗ consistent so one is doing new

4:23 ↗ architectural standards for consistency

4:25 ↗ and how probably single-family homes and

4:28 ↗ duplexes look in all town code revisions

4:32 ↗ to height in the CBD along the mfh

4:37 ↗ multifamily high along sunset and in

4:40 ↗ this single-family duplex areas as well

4:42 ↗ the single-family duplex areas are north

4:44 ↗ and south of sunset code revisions to

4:48 ↗ increase impervious surface in the CBD

4:50 ↗ as well as multi-family high along

4:53 ↗ sunset as well from and that would go

4:55 ↗ from 50% to 75% in CBD potentially from

4:59 ↗ currently 85% to 95% which would match

5:02 ↗ central is it parts of central Issaquah

5:05 ↗ code revisions to allow small-scale

5:07 ↗ retail with something that was discussed

5:09 ↗ in mfh along sunset the parking analysis

5:13 ↗ the cut through traffic are being

5:15 ↗ addressed code revision to adopt the

5:18 ↗ sidewalk use district which it more

5:21 ↗ easily enables those businesses in Old

5:23 ↗ Town to use their sidewalks code

5:26 ↗ revisions to incent live work studio

5:28 ↗ opportunities and implement the housing

5:30 ↗ strategy so those are things that would

5:32 ↗ be assumed first up is there anything on

5:35 ↗ this list that should be moved that is

5:38 ↗ missing it's not on this list we can

5:43 ↗ come back to it

5:47 ↗ does the boundary change need to be on

5:51 ↗ this list since since there's a risk

5:54 ↗ that old guard 10 might be in a no-man's

5:57 ↗ zone a moratorium for a brief period if

6:00 ↗ the boundary changes that'll be part of

6:01 ↗ the plan update so it would these things

6:04 ↗ these are things that will happen once

6:06 ↗ the plan is adopted the barrel yeah

6:12 ↗ they're in the new word they're in the

6:13 ↗ new part of the plan

6:14 ↗ as the action items yeah the boundary

6:16 ↗ adjustment would happen with the plan

6:17 ↗ okay

6:19 ↗ I was curious why the community gardens

6:22 ↗ is on the kind of the second half the

6:25 ↗ future plan for implementation rather

6:27 ↗ than being a sooner action item and if

6:30 ↗ that was because we didn't have a

6:31 ↗ location or if it was just we don't have

6:35 ↗ a location that would be part of the

6:37 ↗ parks plan too that hasn't been adopted

6:39 ↗ so I don't know where if that falls in

6:41 ↗ there and where would that fall where

6:42 ↗ that would fall in it can always it can

6:45 ↗ always be moved up but yeah and I think

6:48 ↗ things like fixing traffic and things

6:51 ↗ that the task force recommended were a

6:53 ↗ higher priority than probably the

6:55 ↗ gardens are a higher priority as far as

6:58 ↗ the way we function but I think when we

7:00 ↗ think about everything being so

7:01 ↗ car-centric it kind of leads away from

7:02 ↗ the heart of what we think of Old Town

7:04 ↗ being and so it seems a little

7:07 ↗ counterintuitive to be constantly

7:08 ↗ talking about roads and cars parking

7:11 ↗ while important I don't think that

7:14 ↗ necessarily means that public gathering

7:16 ↗ spaces then aren't a priority so that's

7:18 ↗ why I was curious why the head was put

7:20 ↗ onto that list of things it was future

7:22 ↗ postponed kind of you know implemented

7:24 ↗ in the next phase

7:25 ↗ and I was wondering for what just cuz we

7:27 ↗ simply didn't have a location it was

7:28 ↗ more of a concept or it's really more of

7:31 ↗ a concept yeah but if that's something

7:34 ↗ that you all want to move up we can talk

7:35 ↗ about it I need clarification on number

7:39 ↗ eight code revision to incent live-work

7:42 ↗ studio opportunities mm-hmm what's

7:45 ↗ referred to by studio opportunities all

7:48 ↗ right it's yeah it's live live work it's

7:50 ↗ a live work studio so you have studios

7:52 ↗ where artists live and they work in the

7:54 ↗ same building they do their art in the

7:55 ↗ same building okay

7:58 ↗ anything else yeah it might just I think

8:01 ↗ this is a good list but just a couple of

8:02 ↗ general comments one is and I you know

8:06 ↗ we could move stuff back and forth all

8:07 ↗ day long I'm not sure that's can

8:08 ↗ accomplish anything but I liked in the

8:10 ↗ plan or rather in the goals that we sort

8:14 ↗ of discussed improving transit options I

8:17 ↗ mean it was just by it was by accident I

8:19 ↗ think but we discussed ran improving

8:21 ↗ transit options before we discussed

8:22 ↗ providing more parking and then and when

8:26 ↗ we get to the actions we we focus on the

8:28 ↗ parking study at least first and 20 in

8:30 ↗ the first year and we don't start

8:32 ↗ worrying about better transit options

8:34 ↗ until later and I know there's this like

8:38 ↗ back and forth as to whether or not if

8:39 ↗ you provide more parking more people are

8:40 ↗ gonna drive and if you know III guess I

8:42 ↗ would like to see improving transit

8:45 ↗ along with providing more parking kind

8:47 ↗ of talking about those at the same time

8:49 ↗ if we can so if that works out fine it's

8:52 ↗ not I'm not gonna worry too much about

8:53 ↗ it but I think that's useful um and then

8:56 ↗ kind of related to all of that we have

9:00 ↗ in the second and the right now the 2019

9:02 ↗ to 2021 where is it something about

9:06 ↗ regional traffic develop strategies for

9:10 ↗ minimizing impact from regional traffic

9:12 ↗ I think that's just something we're

9:16 ↗ always doing so it might be worth

9:19 ↗ thinking about mean and if we do you

9:20 ↗ know later this year or later in the

9:24 ↗ first year of this implementation have a

9:26 ↗ you know transportation commission or

9:28 ↗ whatever I mean it may be something that

9:29 ↗ we want to just not let people think

9:32 ↗ we're not worrying about it cuz we're

9:33 ↗ always worrying about it right okay

9:42 ↗ all right anything else similar comment

9:46 ↗ but then for biking is the reason biking

9:49 ↗ is in nineteen rather than eighteen is

9:51 ↗ that because of the timing of the

9:52 ↗ streetscape plan no um because the

10:00 ↗ streetscape plan actually doesn't

10:02 ↗ include biking in there so oh there's no

10:05 ↗ I see that's one and then two oh yeah so

10:10 ↗ you're asking why it's why it's not in

10:11 ↗ 2018 yeah

10:12 ↗ part of that is we need to do an

10:14 ↗ inventory first and that takes some time

10:16 ↗ but you're suggesting maybe moving the

10:18 ↗ inventory up yeah that makes sense that

10:21 ↗ makes sense I think again it would be

10:25 ↗ nice to put that with the parking and

10:28 ↗ transit just show them go concurrently

10:30 ↗ yeah do mean you guys have the bandwidth

10:32 ↗ to do all of that alright so I noticed

10:37 ↗ the first item the first item on the

10:46 ↗ 2019 to 2021 implement recommendations

10:49 ↗ from the downtown streetscape plan so

10:51 ↗ that plan if I'm not mistaken was

10:55 ↗ created in 2017 it was it was adopted in

10:58 ↗ April 2017 okay so is its implementation

11:04 ↗ waiting on this to be adopted I don't

11:10 ↗ understand why why the two are

11:12 ↗ necessarily linked or that there is a

11:15 ↗ delay on implementing any of those well

11:17 ↗ part of that some of it only be

11:19 ↗ implemented this year trees will be

11:21 ↗ replaced this year but you have to put

11:24 ↗ it in here as a way to monitor it and

11:26 ↗ make sure that it really does happen so

11:28 ↗ it's not just this floating streetscape

11:30 ↗ plan out there it's somewhere else that

11:32 ↗ you have action items and say yeah don't

11:34 ↗ forget to do that plan out there yeah so

11:36 ↗ because there were a lot of things in

11:37 ↗ that that I think are amazing for the

11:40 ↗ Old Town area and so I'm kind of looking

11:43 ↗ at this going are we pushing all of the

11:46 ↗ implementation off to 2019 or is it just

11:49 ↗ kind of

11:50 ↗ opening as it can and like you said this

11:52 ↗ is more about monitoring it's happening

11:54 ↗ as it can okay so I picked the wrong

12:08 ↗ chair so so the way the city funds

12:13 ↗ capital projects is through its capital

12:16 ↗ improvement plan right and so right now

12:18 ↗ if you look at the capital improvement

12:21 ↗ plan as Kristen mentioned there's

12:24 ↗ [Music]

12:26 ↗ 150,000 ish $152,000 to basically put

12:32 ↗ the street trees in that got taken out

12:34 ↗ with the section of the sidewalk that

12:37 ↗ got widened for the stormwater project

12:39 ↗ but things like alder Street the

12:42 ↗ festival street right now that that

12:46 ↗ capital improvement plan has funding for

12:50 ↗ that out beyond like 2023 so there's not

12:54 ↗ anything in the next few years to do

12:56 ↗ that so so that's a that's a council

12:59 ↗ decision and part of what we can do here

13:03 ↗ is if you guys feel like

13:06 ↗ besides kind of working on the plan also

13:10 ↗ talking about a different maybe speed at

13:15 ↗ which the streetscape plan gets

13:18 ↗ implemented you know that is a message

13:21 ↗ that the council might want to hear if

13:24 ↗ it's gonna because it you know so

13:26 ↗ funding those things is always about

13:28 ↗ what's the highest priority right and

13:30 ↗ and so if if nobody's kind of knocking

13:33 ↗ on the old town streetscape plan as

13:36 ↗ being a high priority then it just kind

13:38 ↗ of falls into a lower basket and doesn't

13:41 ↗ get funded so so that's one of those

13:43 ↗ things that that is gonna need some

13:45 ↗ lobbyists for it to move into a more

13:50 ↗ current timeline so again I'm throwing

13:54 ↗ that out there not trying to lobby you

13:56 ↗ guys to do anything but if you want to

13:58 ↗ move the needle there's gonna have to be

14:00 ↗ some action that comes from groups like

14:02 ↗ peep

14:03 ↗ see and from dia and from others to kind

14:06 ↗ of get the council's ear on that well I

14:09 ↗ personally think that the streetscape

14:12 ↗ plan was amazing and I'd like to see it

14:16 ↗ implemented and so I think linking the

14:19 ↗ two and kind of including that in the

14:21 ↗ discussion is probably important okay

14:25 ↗ and and you know perhaps putting not

14:27 ↗ just maybe not just the broad to

14:29 ↗ implement recommendations from the

14:30 ↗ downtown streetscape plan maybe it's

14:31 ↗ implement phase two or implement the

14:34 ↗ alder Festival Street if there's

14:35 ↗ something specific in there or the

14:37 ↗ pedestrian Park there are plans in there

14:40 ↗ some pieces in there for that if there's

14:42 ↗ something specific to that you all would

14:44 ↗ want to see earlier rather than later

14:46 ↗ that could go in here as well I think

14:48 ↗ that's a great idea I would love the

14:49 ↗ idea of kind of picking it apart because

14:51 ↗ it was large and it's gonna require a

14:53 ↗ lot of funding and I think that some

14:56 ↗ improvements could happen more quickly

14:59 ↗ than others and be able to make a big a

15:02 ↗ big change in the community so I would

15:04 ↗ rather pick parts of it rather than just

15:06 ↗ just kind of say all-encompassing and

15:08 ↗ and on that note breaking it down would

15:11 ↗ help us also identify if there's other

15:13 ↗ major projects that are happening in the

15:16 ↗ transportation side that would affect

15:19 ↗ work that would be done on the streets

15:21 ↗ game plan and then maybe torn up and

15:23 ↗ then have to be redone

15:25 ↗ yeah if we could do things that maybe

15:27 ↗ wouldn't be affected by a major project

15:29 ↗ like that that's a few years down the

15:31 ↗ road we could avoid having to redo stuff

15:34 ↗ okay and I think on the first page there

15:40 ↗ was something about using the sidewalks

15:42 ↗ as area for the businesses and that was

15:45 ↗ certainly part of that streetscape plan

15:48 ↗ so I think going into it and pulling

15:50 ↗ things out is a great idea okay yeah if

15:53 ↗ you can identify things that are minimal

15:55 ↗ so we are going to discuss this again so

15:59 ↗ the next time around we can kind of

16:02 ↗ we'll send you a link to the plan as

16:03 ↗ well and it's broken up a little

16:06 ↗ differently now than it was in the plan

16:08 ↗ but we can explain that as well okay all

16:11 ↗ right can you talk about a number

16:13 ↗ five and six both I'm in the twenty

16:16 ↗ twenty nineteen yes yes okay actually

16:22 ↗ Keith might have to explain both of

16:24 ↗ these the oh no the community engagement

16:27 ↗ program is yeah five the community

16:30 ↗ engagement program is getting the

16:32 ↗ neighbors together or a group of people

16:35 ↗ together you know who live in Old Town

16:36 ↗ reside and work in Old Town on a regular

16:38 ↗ basis and just having a discussion about

16:41 ↗ what's going on in the area it's just

16:42 ↗ informational and getting together we

16:44 ↗ have a community coordinator getting

16:46 ↗ together with her or different

16:47 ↗ departments just to talk about what's

16:48 ↗ going on what's working what's not

16:50 ↗ working that kind of thing and then a

16:53 ↗ plenty of doing that for all

16:54 ↗ neighborhoods or just old town we're

16:57 ↗ proposing it for Old Town right now I

16:58 ↗ think the intent is that eventually it

16:59 ↗ might happen for all neighborhoods

17:00 ↗ correct me if I'm wrong so the city's

17:07 ↗ the city's comprised of neighborhoods

17:10 ↗ that have functioning some high

17:14 ↗ functioning homeowners associations and

17:16 ↗ some don't

17:17 ↗ and so as we went through Old Town there

17:21 ↗ was a conversation about how because

17:23 ↗ there really isn't a homeowner's

17:25 ↗ association that gets the neighbors

17:27 ↗ together and gives them opportunities to

17:29 ↗ talk about points of common interest

17:31 ↗ that maybe the city could serve that

17:34 ↗ function by just hosting meetings you

17:37 ↗ know that happens a lot in Highlands and

17:39 ↗ Talas and so you know part of the city's

17:44 ↗ turning our neighborhood engagement

17:46 ↗ coordinator into a full-time position

17:48 ↗ was working on kind of evaluating the

17:53 ↗ neighborhoods in the city and kind of

17:55 ↗ getting to that answer so it wouldn't be

17:58 ↗ all but there would definitely be I

18:00 ↗ think part of it is identifying that

18:03 ↗ opportunity to neighborhoods and seeing

18:05 ↗ if there's an interest in Old Town there

18:07 ↗ was an interest like let's say we go to

18:11 ↗ kind of like confluence and Gilman when

18:15 ↗ we start seeing it right what's gonna be

18:16 ↗ happening in the next decade right I

18:18 ↗ love the idea and I'm sure you guys love

18:20 ↗ the idea of me proposing more

18:22 ↗ allistic work on to your schedule but

18:24 ↗ even having you know twice a year you

18:27 ↗ know even if it is something that's more

18:28 ↗ minimal than something quarterly than

18:30 ↗ being able to have a venue for more

18:33 ↗ communities to have that I think is an

18:35 ↗ amazing idea well and even outside of

18:38 ↗ its upcoming development it gives the

18:42 ↗ city and council and the mayor

18:44 ↗ opportunity to hear from people and

18:47 ↗ going to them rather than expecting them

18:50 ↗ coming to especially for areas that are

18:53 ↗ less well organized you know again I

18:57 ↗ realized that is putting more pressure

18:59 ↗ on staff that's a time commitment that

19:01 ↗ that is a lot but when we think about

19:03 ↗ how we want to be developing our

19:04 ↗ community I love this idea of being able

19:06 ↗ to kind of take the work that we do in

19:08 ↗ here and being able to push it even

19:09 ↗ farther out into the community yeah well

19:11 ↗ and quite honestly that isn't as much on

19:14 ↗ existing staff as it is on Leeson and

19:17 ↗ giving her the opportunity to have those

19:21 ↗ regular commitments can be a good

19:23 ↗ structure for that new position so I'm

19:28 ↗ not I wouldn't be surprised if there was

19:30 ↗ a community person who would like to

19:32 ↗ take that on and help organize that okay

19:40 ↗ so we were we were reminding ourselves

19:42 ↗ of number six but number six has to do

19:44 ↗ with the cottages we had talked about

19:47 ↗ different kinds of small housing cottage

19:49 ↗ housing and other types of housing that

19:50 ↗ can go in here to add housing without

19:54 ↗ destroying the character you know

19:56 ↗ allowing residences without allowing you

19:58 ↗ big things so anyway this is a toolkit

20:00 ↗ in working with residents to figure out

20:01 ↗ and working internally and then with

20:03 ↗ residents to figure out how to do that

20:04 ↗ kind of thing to do infill this isn't

20:07 ↗ like an existing toolkit that some

20:10 ↗ organization has established that we're

20:12 ↗ talking about and we're creating this

20:15 ↗ correct and then adopting it correct

20:19 ↗ yeah Bellingham has one yeah you know so

20:22 ↗ when are we creating it this is adopt in

20:25 ↗ 2019

20:26 ↗ it would be does this is yeah somewhere

20:34 ↗ between 2019 and 2021

20:36 ↗ this isn't that kind of tie into action

20:37 ↗ item number 10 for 2018 implement the

20:40 ↗ housing strategy I processing code

20:42 ↗ revisions to maintain the increased

20:43 ↗ number of residences in the sub sub area

20:46 ↗ it does that's what I assumed when I

20:49 ↗ read it was they create what 10 tells me

20:52 ↗ you're you're making it now baking it

20:55 ↗ and I got three voices in my head

20:59 ↗ because it's not actually mentioned in

21:02 ↗ the housing strategy per se we knew that

21:04 ↗ they were out there when we did the

21:05 ↗ housing strategy but we hadn't really

21:07 ↗ delved into which pieces of the the

21:10 ↗ toolkit we wanted for our own so that's

21:13 ↗ why we broke it out as a separate part

21:15 ↗ because it isn't already encompassed in

21:17 ↗ the housing strategy plan but we did

21:19 ↗ like the whole idea that what we just

21:20 ↗ didn't have time to sift through it

21:23 ↗ before Housing Strategy was done yeah

21:25 ↗ yeah understood I liked the part create

21:28 ↗ yeah I had to create okay anything else

21:32 ↗ on questionnaire a lot less glamorous

21:36 ↗ topic number five of 2020 to 2025 make

21:41 ↗ improvements to the Internet

21:42 ↗ connectivity to increase the quality and

21:44 ↗ speed of service we're already having

21:47 ↗ discussions about small cells what I

21:52 ↗ mean

21:52 ↗ 20:22 isn't that long with stretch we

21:56 ↗ could certainly do it but 2025 5 G's

21:59 ↗ already gonna be here and that's the

22:01 ↗ whole point of small cell yeah well in

22:06 ↗ really why is a city involved in that

22:09 ↗ when that's really provided by private

22:13 ↗ companies and the city does have an

22:16 ↗ nevermind

22:18 ↗ [Laughter]

22:21 ↗ okay and I'm not that I'm not that

22:24 ↗ familiar with small cells so I but you

22:27 ↗ work in the industry so hey I think it

22:29 ↗ may cover it may be covered by that yes

22:31 ↗ I think the point is that small cell is

22:34 ↗ going to be many little towers

22:37 ↗ throughout the city I think it's going

22:42 ↗ to be a visual impact to the community

22:44 ↗ and I think that's where the city partly

22:46 ↗ needs to address it it's not necessarily

22:48 ↗ the technology behind it because they

22:50 ↗ are known it but we don't want telephone

22:53 ↗ poles throughout the entire city with

22:54 ↗ little with multiple dozens of boxes on

22:57 ↗ I think the way that that's the make

23:01 ↗ improvements is vague enough that that

23:02 ↗ could end up just accounting for code

23:05 ↗ changes that cover a private investment

23:07 ↗ yeah Britain is the outlined it has a

23:10 ↗ separate bullet number five and twenty

23:13 ↗ twenty-two so it's actually separate

23:15 ↗ from that it's small sales call that

23:18 ↗ separately Internet connectivity is can

23:22 ↗ I use all can I ask you the question

23:23 ↗ would this be the old town pilot project

23:27 ↗ that was trying to do free Wi-Fi in old

23:29 ↗ town that Trager was working on okay

23:38 ↗ going anywhere yet okay so so this is

23:42 ↗ our leftover well so here's so this is

23:46 ↗ actually could be relevant so I was in

23:50 ↗ this room last night with a different

23:53 ↗ group talking about the new proposed

23:56 ↗ small cell code for the city one of the

24:00 ↗ things that that code does not allow is

24:02 ↗ new polls on Front Street and you cannot

24:07 ↗ put the antennas on the existing post

24:10 ↗ and globe that are out there so the

24:13 ↗ carriers are a little concerned that

24:17 ↗ that you know because the small cells

24:20 ↗ are about capacity and most of us are

24:23 ↗ using our phones in our cars and so the

24:26 ↗ capacity demand is on the streets and

24:28 ↗ Front Street and Gilman are going to be

24:32 ↗ the big usage corridor

24:35 ↗ and so so I like five not because the

24:41 ↗ city's providing any service because

24:43 ↗ we're actually taking away what horrible

24:46 ↗ service were providing now but it's

24:50 ↗ because I think that there could be an

24:52 ↗ issue they don't know it yet because

24:56 ↗ none of them have actually tried to put

24:58 ↗ facilities along front so the code

25:00 ↗ allows you to attach antennas to

25:02 ↗ buildings but if say the village theater

25:05 ↗ other buildings owners on Front Street

25:09 ↗ don't want an antenna on their structure

25:11 ↗ you know it could very well be that the

25:13 ↗ providers have to come back to the city

25:14 ↗ and ask for a code amendment because

25:16 ↗ they can't solve front street without

25:18 ↗ new poles so five if you leave it and

25:22 ↗ I'm not suggesting you do or don't if

25:24 ↗ you leave it would give at least a hinge

25:29 ↗ point for us to say okay we want to do

25:32 ↗ this we want to make sure that there is

25:34 ↗ you know complete service in Old Town

25:37 ↗ and Front Street is is gonna be kind of

25:40 ↗ the hardest part of it just because

25:42 ↗ there's new poles and the reason why the

25:45 ↗ administration suggested no new poles is

25:48 ↗ because there is basically a zero

25:50 ↗ setback from the buildings the whole

25:53 ↗ sidewalk is your pedestrian zone they're

25:56 ↗ not overly wide right now

25:58 ↗ and sticking additional poles in it

26:00 ↗ seemed kind of contrary to and and we

26:05 ↗ talked about that at this commission so

26:07 ↗ so and that was supported by

26:10 ↗ Infrastructure Committee to not allow

26:13 ↗ additional poles on front so I don't

26:18 ↗ know I mean it could be clarified

26:21 ↗ because I think it is a little bit vague

26:23 ↗ but I don't know and to your point Ron I

26:27 ↗ don't know when 5g happens which would

26:31 ↗ prompt maybe in this time frame I don't

26:33 ↗ know if any of us know what that even

26:34 ↗ looks like well the discussion is 2025

26:41 ↗ jame become alert but I guess the

26:43 ↗ question I have is

26:45 ↗ should it be on this list because small

26:48 ↗ cell has its own some package and would

26:53 ↗ it make any difference if it's in an old

26:57 ↗ town vs. central is a quad well I think

27:00 ↗ what Keith was saying is Old Town

27:02 ↗ specifically has issues that we didn't

27:05 ↗ solve with the small cell code changes

27:09 ↗ because of the inability to put

27:13 ↗ additional poles there okay so I can see

27:15 ↗ why that should be there I'm a little

27:18 ↗ bit not happy with the word make

27:21 ↗ improvement suggesting that the city is

27:23 ↗ going to do that but maybe maybe we're

27:26 ↗ address it's more than rodeo it's a

27:28 ↗ placeholder to say that we know we have

27:29 ↗ these issues but maybe what it needs to

27:31 ↗ do is be sitting on the 20 19 to 21

27:33 ↗ maybe it's the fact that it's pushed out

27:35 ↗ so far and it really needs to be a

27:37 ↗ short-term action item rather than the

27:38 ↗ long-term action item but didn't change

27:40 ↗ it to be more review II yeah makey

27:45 ↗ supporting and reviewing or yeah permit

27:51 ↗ if we got requests for permits a year or

27:54 ↗ two from now well we have to review it

27:55 ↗ yeah

27:56 ↗ already we have address to that with the

27:58 ↗ small stuff right right but some of that

28:03 ↗ may be saying sorry you're gonna have to

28:05 ↗ go to the building owners if the

28:06 ↗ building owners say no then they're

28:08 ↗ gonna come back and we'll have to

28:10 ↗ address that when it comes up mm-hmm so

28:13 ↗ if we change it to support and review or

28:18 ↗ something like that do you want to keep

28:20 ↗ it in there but move it up to 2019 I

28:24 ↗ think so yeah okay and and even at a

28:30 ↗ higher level than this just

28:31 ↗ infrastructure in general I'm wondering

28:34 ↗ if there's ongoing studies that always

28:37 ↗ are looking at our area's infrastructure

28:41 ↗ and how its handling our current

28:42 ↗ capacity and forecasted yes and yes okay

28:46 ↗ so that's always happening

28:47 ↗ that's citywide that's always happening

28:49 ↗ so I guess this is really just saying

28:53 ↗ specifically for Old Town we want

28:56 ↗ make sure that that area is staying

28:59 ↗ connected as well as every other

29:02 ↗ neighborhood because you could phrase

29:04 ↗ something like ensure in an activity and

29:06 ↗ cell service is adequate along in the

29:10 ↗ Front Street corridor has adequate

29:12 ↗ quality and speed or something like that

29:17 ↗ because if if we were visited in two

29:19 ↗ years and cell service is great

29:22 ↗ everything's great check that box okay

29:28 ↗ anything else in that twenty twenty two

29:30 ↗ to twenty twenty five okay you know

29:36 ↗ since we're talking about number four I

29:38 ↗ really I understand why it's in our

29:40 ↗ long-term as far as priorities go but I

29:43 ↗ think it actually does to have an lead

29:45 ↗ to an interesting discussion about how

29:47 ↗ to solve some parking issues in Old Town

29:48 ↗ I know that council has put it to staff

29:52 ↗ to say hey let's find us some some

29:53 ↗ parking but part of mitigating that I

29:56 ↗ think could really be actually putting a

29:58 ↗ parking structure that's really more

30:00 ↗ closer to Gillman and it's down and out

30:03 ↗ of Old Town but investing in our trolley

30:06 ↗ structure and actually having it go late

30:08 ↗ night and actually having it be

30:10 ↗ something that parking is actually more

30:12 ↗ off-site from Old Town and is more in

30:15 ↗ central I think is a really interesting

30:17 ↗ idea I think it's something that

30:19 ↗ actually does connect through to our

30:20 ↗ more urgent action plan items and I

30:23 ↗ think it actually talks about putting

30:25 ↗ Issaquah a little bit different from our

30:27 ↗ fellow communities and put this a little

30:29 ↗ bit more on the map so I I wish that

30:31 ↗ this wasn't on the long term I get why

30:34 ↗ it is but I think it's something that

30:36 ↗ could be visited a little bit sooner and

30:39 ↗ help do things okay

30:42 ↗ everybody else on that topic I mean I

30:47 ↗ think it's going to be addressed when

30:49 ↗ you're looking at parking I think if the

30:53 ↗ consultant comes in and doesn't address

30:55 ↗ and options such as moving part parking

30:59 ↗ a little bit further away and including

31:01 ↗ some kind of a blessing trolley system

31:03 ↗ then

31:04 ↗ that consultants not considering all

31:06 ↗ options I think if we moved it up it

31:09 ↗ would be a little bit more specific form

31:11 ↗ us saying yes this needs to be included

31:13 ↗ yeah I think if you look anything's in a

31:15 ↗ near-term jory they've gotten a parking

31:16 ↗ study right up there at the beginning

31:18 ↗ and that's the first domino so moving it

31:24 ↗ or mentioning the considering the

31:26 ↗ trolley in the parking study or well I

31:31 ↗ mean it aligns with my original comment

31:32 ↗ which was earlier comment which was I

31:34 ↗ think I think doing the parking study is

31:37 ↗ the important thing but even just for

31:39 ↗ optics like knowing that we're also

31:41 ↗ thinking about how to relieve congestion

31:42 ↗ in other ways okay not providing parking

31:47 ↗ your alternate you know some parking

31:48 ↗ alternates and then a few years down the

31:49 ↗ road maybe then thinking of another

31:52 ↗ solution so it's just doing in parallel

31:54 ↗ I think okay and it will be probably

31:56 ↗ part of the parking study but having it

31:58 ↗ on the list is good I so what kind of

31:59 ↗ rework if you're getting flashed so he's

32:15 ↗ saying to add out of the parking area um

32:19 ↗ do number four area parking added unbe

32:24 ↗ ond the shoppings

32:25 ↗ yes yeah add another potential mobility

32:28 ↗ option yes what is the trolley oh really

32:33 ↗ whoa whoa I'm still kind of new here

32:35 ↗ okay so we have a trolley a really old

32:39 ↗ trolley so you know the rail that goes

32:41 ↗ right behind here okay so that's the

32:43 ↗ that's the trolley rail and if you walk

32:44 ↗ up there past behind some of the stores

32:47 ↗ behind Jack's

32:48 ↗ there's a Depot Christmas yeah there's a

32:51 ↗ depot so the idea would be like to run

32:54 ↗ there's a and there's a building right

32:55 ↗ there too that stores the trolley that

32:57 ↗ runs

32:58 ↗ that runs it's in the summertime I think

33:00 ↗ and Christmastime and yeah he wants out

33:03 ↗ to be an extension of st3 it's really

33:07 ↗ cool yeah I don't think you can use it

33:10 ↗ as a actual but if you connect it up to

33:16 ↗ st 3 and then people get off and they

33:18 ↗ get into the quaint trolley yeah I

33:21 ↗ accepted Christ is over front street

33:25 ↗ which you have to close out your traffic

33:33 ↗ okay so what we we goodness we will

33:37 ↗ rework some of the parking and transit

33:38 ↗ and mobility options in the parking

33:40 ↗ study and move some of that up and make

33:42 ↗ sure it continues throughout how about

33:44 ↗ that okay all right oh I have one last

33:47 ↗ question during the public access some

33:50 ↗ views of this kook week and it's to cook

33:52 ↗ Creek is Fork is that not in the parks

33:56 ↗ plan I'm just curious like why that's

33:58 ↗ called out separately I don't know if

34:01 ↗ it's in the parks plan it's I haven't

34:04 ↗ seen it yet did you

34:12 ↗ I'm just I'm just wondering why no

34:14 ↗ whiteheads call that separately rather

34:16 ↗ than the other I think we brought it it

34:19 ↗ was brought up so often it's it's always

34:22 ↗ brought up when we go to neighborhood

34:23 ↗ meetings here it's brought up a lot so

34:24 ↗ once you just it's the highlight we need

34:26 ↗ to highlight it okay yeah yeah okay so

34:33 ↗ the boundary so this part that's hatched

34:37 ↗ in red is currently zoned destination

34:40 ↗ retail and until adopted is located in

34:45 ↗ central Issaquah if it comes out of

34:48 ↗ central Issaquah it needs a place to

34:51 ↗ live potentially i guess it could hang

34:53 ↗ out there but it would be nice if it had

34:55 ↗ a place to live an option is old town

34:59 ↗ but then if you all decide that that's

35:02 ↗ something you want to recommend you also

35:04 ↗ have to consider what the zoning would

35:05 ↗ be so it could stay destination retail

35:09 ↗ it used to be professional

35:11 ↗ this it could be CBD so that's a

35:17 ↗ discussion that you all need to have

35:20 ↗ before this goes to a public hearing

35:22 ↗ again can we can we talk boundary before

35:26 ↗ we talk to Tony

35:27 ↗ absolutely and can I add something I in

35:29 ↗ my discussions many with the attorney

35:32 ↗ because this is such a big topic of

35:34 ↗ possible rezoning he said that because

35:37 ↗ through the central plan we are removing

35:39 ↗ it if council goes with your

35:41 ↗ recommendation and he said we could

35:43 ↗ still leave it as destination retail

35:45 ↗ still have it go with the central

35:47 ↗ standards until we actually get to have

35:50 ↗ a thoughtful discussion of what happens

35:52 ↗ to it so it's not one of those you know

35:54 ↗ short discussion okay so we can it can

35:56 ↗ not be in the CIP plan but it can have

35:59 ↗ the CIP standards applied to it yes

36:02 ↗ until until until and if you all decide

36:05 ↗ because the IC properties intensive

36:09 ↗ commercial that you recommended to move

36:11 ↗ out there actually is an icy zone that's

36:14 ↗ not in central standards so we weren't

36:16 ↗ worried about those parcels because they

36:18 ↗ have something to fall back on but

36:20 ↗ destination retail didn't so we wanted

36:22 ↗ to be sure there was a safety net for

36:23 ↗ those parcels until we got around to

36:25 ↗ figuring that out make sense so yeah

36:29 ↗ let's talk let's talk boundary just the

36:31 ↗ boundary so my first question is east of

36:34 ↗ Front Street mm-hmm is there anything

36:36 ↗ not in covered in the hash line or is

36:40 ↗ there is that literally everything up to

36:42 ↗ the right-of-way everything north and

36:44 ↗ west of that is in central oh yeah what

36:48 ↗ I meant east of front I was just asking

36:51 ↗ to make sure I'm following the line the

36:52 ↗ boundary line correctly okay there's

36:54 ↗ we've covered everything in to you yes

36:57 ↗ very right away yes okay I was wish to

37:02 ↗ clarify a question okay so on that idea

37:06 ↗ there's kind of a little pocket down at

37:08 ↗ the end of that can you and the which

37:11 ↗ end on the East and East End yep that is

37:15 ↗ you mean I use the mass where's the

37:18 ↗ mouse

37:20 ↗ right here yes that is right away that's

37:24 ↗ washed out right away okay so that's the

37:27 ↗ discussion that happened the other day

37:29 ↗ that goes down to that business yeah I

37:38 ↗ can't there we go there's a mouse is

37:40 ↗ that right he's right like that little

37:42 ↗ that little fringe

37:44 ↗ where's third Street yeah third Avenue

37:45 ↗ so yeah this is it in here I know

37:51 ↗ so that's office space that's not that's

37:55 ↗ a there's an office building there yes

37:56 ↗ or two wanted to and so if that's not

38:01 ↗ included

38:03 ↗ it's just basically a little pocket of

38:06 ↗ no man's land so okay correct yeah so it

38:10 ↗ doesn't have the same feeling as the

38:13 ↗ rest of Gilman that continue

38:17 ↗ that's over there but it does have the

38:18 ↗ same feeling as the areas around third

38:21 ↗ and birch and dogwood and all of that so

38:29 ↗ if if council approves it to drop out of

38:32 ↗ centroids to kua and we don't add it is

38:36 ↗ it just I mean we'd create zoning Fortin

38:40 ↗ it would just be a it could keep the

38:42 ↗ same stoning it would just be a really

38:44 ↗ small sub area right there I mean my I

38:46 ↗ just asked a question because I go what

38:48 ↗ and what if we done doing yeah but um

38:50 ↗ because I see no problem with adding it

38:52 ↗ Oh town yeah because the difference is

38:57 ↗ then we added all the sub area like

39:01 ↗ design standards applied to it right

39:03 ↗ whereas if not the zoning wouldn't

39:05 ↗ change but you have different design

39:07 ↗ standards so if it stays right yeah if

39:09 ↗ he stays destination retail yeah they

39:12 ↗ wouldn't have the design state they

39:13 ↗ would just have the zoning you know you

39:15 ↗ could build the same building types but

39:17 ↗ the look and feel the buildings would be

39:19 ↗ it would be different too it would stay

39:22 ↗ as it is in destination retail so I

39:24 ↗ think the max height is 65 feet I don't

39:26 ↗ have to double check should I pull that

39:29 ↗ up the old town

39:30 ↗ welcome I'm in support of this boundary

39:34 ↗ I think it makes sense to have that I

39:36 ↗ mean we even call it old route 10 it

39:41 ↗ feels like I mean it definitely if that

39:44 ↗ if that that Street met its vision it

39:51 ↗ would feel like part of old town I think

39:54 ↗ okay I think I remember talking about a

39:57 ↗ vision of that street that was like kind

40:01 ↗ of diners and that kind of feeling and

40:04 ↗ embracing that I think we already have

40:08 ↗ some you know the the Grange is there

40:11 ↗ xxx is there it gets a lot got a lot of

40:14 ↗ old town type stuff going for it already

40:16 ↗ bombs is there as well yeah absolutely I

40:20 ↗ think it has the potential to kind of be

40:22 ↗ this really awesome blend of this high

40:25 ↗ density that we foresee along gilman and

40:27 ↗ then the feeling of old town to really

40:29 ↗ complement our sitting in a way that we

40:31 ↗ don't have have it and this lets us take

40:34 ↗ old town all the way to a 90 pretty much

40:39 ↗ that's what I was gonna say that I think

40:41 ↗ having it and being able to have an

40:44 ↗ entry point where you have the signage

40:46 ↗ there rather than further back where it

40:49 ↗ kind of is now is really important to be

40:51 ↗ able to brand that area and bring people

40:54 ↗ into that feeling it becomes more of a

40:56 ↗ corridor rather than right now once you

40:57 ↗ hit the dairy you kind of get that feel

40:59 ↗ okay if we have to take the e off of Old

41:03 ↗ Town when you add an e to old route 10

41:07 ↗ will take that under consideration

41:11 ↗ technical thing else that sounds like

41:21 ↗ you guys are in favor of adding the

41:24 ↗ whole piece to Old Town okay then I've

41:27 ↗ got a question about the southern

41:28 ↗ boundary mm-hmm

41:30 ↗ why the little divot at the very bottom

41:33 ↗ of it because that's all there's like

41:35 ↗ two houses there and the rest looks like

41:37 ↗ it's green you know so

41:40 ↗ that's cool the green spaces the school

41:43 ↗ smell

41:44 ↗ yeah by the difficut it comes through

41:48 ↗ yeah the divot at the bottom we actually

41:51 ↗ somebody brought that up the other day

41:52 ↗ and since I've been that way since day

41:56 ↗ one and I Trish was it annexed at that

42:00 ↗ time was it not a part of the city it

42:01 ↗ was part of the city I was probably sure

42:03 ↗ I know part of the parts of the south is

42:05 ↗ not seward was not did not have sewers

42:08 ↗ back then I don't know actually if they

42:10 ↗ ever did good sewers so I think that

42:16 ↗ might have been it but I can't that was

42:18 ↗ a long time ago I'd have to look to see

42:20 ↗ it why it has a tooth like that so what

42:23 ↗ would be the value of adding it or

42:25 ↗ leaving it out well if you it's like

42:29 ↗ Troy said if you take it out of some sub

42:31 ↗ area it has to go into another sub area

42:33 ↗ right now I realize that but what would

42:36 ↗ be because right now it's on the inside

42:38 ↗ of the rain air trail so it's actually I

42:42 ↗ mean if you want to use a reindeer trail

42:44 ↗ as kind of a boundary marker you could

42:47 ↗ but what would be the advantages to

42:50 ↗ having that part of the old town or

42:54 ↗ leave it out of Old Town I mean it's

42:57 ↗ it's the zoning won't change and I don't

43:01 ↗ even know what it's owned right now

43:03 ↗ you're right I mean I need the zone with

43:06 ↗ the zoning and sub area is for

43:09 ↗ everything that's kind of self and

43:12 ↗ dealth west of here I think here a lot

43:16 ↗ of it is sycamore sycamores to the west

43:19 ↗ yeah sycamores to the west and it's

43:20 ↗ single-family suburban and single family

43:22 ↗ estate some of it is multi-family what's

43:25 ↗ coke ari high or medium high high yeah

43:29 ↗ okay and a little bit of it is

43:31 ↗ multifamily high to the primarily - and

43:33 ↗ that's around to the south and the west

43:34 ↗ is what those are and those those three

43:38 ↗ or five Lots right there I don't know

43:41 ↗ what the zoning is off hand but I would

43:44 ↗ guess is one of those single-family

43:46 ↗ zones

43:48 ↗ Trish suggested another band to her yes

43:52 ↗ she did all right yes Somers Somers good

44:04 ↗ it's light would anyone be weak for that

44:06 ↗ I am always only if it's dark and rainy

44:14 ↗ it's authentic honest an understanding

44:17 ↗ gallons you can buy okay we can we can

44:21 ↗ schedule a tour mm-hmm

44:25 ↗ going up to Cherry why is it not just

44:31 ↗ follow a street cheering where are we

44:35 ↗ great left hand side it does I think are

44:43 ↗ you talking and I gotta remember to do

44:44 ↗ this is this cherry yeah so you're

44:46 ↗ talking right here yes it follows the

44:47 ↗ creek does yes yeah yeah that's the

44:50 ↗ creek which I think makes sense is the

44:57 ↗ creek even though even though the grid

44:59 ↗ looks continuous think the creek is a

45:02 ↗ pretty natural buffer it makes a net you

45:04 ↗ transition yes you can't tell that's the

45:08 ↗ creek when you have the red line there

45:09 ↗ so I'll put it on there next right okay

45:12 ↗ so I'm gonna go back to the south end

45:14 ↗ okay so does it make sense to have the

45:17 ↗ big school property and any of the areas

45:20 ↗ that are on the west of that in Old Town

45:25 ↗ and all the apartments well they have a

45:29 ↗ very different character I think I think

45:33 ↗ when I hear people talk about Old Town

45:35 ↗ what they generally think of is kind of

45:37 ↗ where we are now north and south of

45:39 ↗ Sunset just east and west of front it's

45:42 ↗ a different feel there's a big school

45:44 ↗ you know that's that's a discussion for

45:46 ↗ you all to have though so my perspective

45:50 ↗ is that the South End doesn't

45:53 ↗ necessarily make sense in that kind of

45:56 ↗ Old Town area but I'm not exactly sure

45:59 ↗ what

46:01 ↗ the property to the west on first place

46:06 ↗ is that's where Clark is

46:10 ↗ and there's some houses along front okay

46:13 ↗ so that's the elementary school and

46:14 ↗ that's the high school oh that is I was

46:18 ↗ okay

46:19 ↗ I'm oriented different yeah so I think

46:22 ↗ you do need to keep the community center

46:24 ↗ mm-hmm and but not necessarily stuff

46:28 ↗ that's south of it yeah I think you

46:31 ↗ could cut it off south of the community

46:34 ↗ center and then take it up north of the

46:36 ↗ school so used our store Evans wasn't

46:40 ↗ important yeah probably Evans and I'm

46:43 ↗ taking it down why was yeah why was the

46:45 ↗ whole school property included or ridden

46:47 ↗ I'm sorry pardon me why was the Squires

46:49 ↗ of school originally scoped in because

46:52 ↗ there were so many community facilities

46:53 ↗ already in Old Town that it just seemed

46:55 ↗ to make sense because the school is

46:57 ↗ considered a community facility so we

47:00 ↗ put that in as well we gain anything by

47:03 ↗ taking it out I don't think so really

47:08 ↗ really I'm going to change one or the

47:09 ↗ other schools already built schools no I

47:11 ↗ doing it one the thing for me is it just

47:13 ↗ doesn't feel like as compact of an area

47:16 ↗ like a continued contiguous area with

47:20 ↗ that bottom portion but I would agree

47:22 ↗ with joy I don't think it necessarily

47:24 ↗ improves anything to take it out it was

47:27 ↗ just consideration oh we leave itself

47:32 ↗ well it sounds like we're in agreement

47:34 ↗ about adding got the proposed old route

47:36 ↗ 10 as strong well something else we can

47:39 ↗ do at our next meeting is just do what

47:41 ↗ we did with central and bring a big map

47:43 ↗ bring three maps that have the zoning

47:45 ↗ and the land use you know the area

47:47 ↗ landing matter you guys don't fully with

47:49 ↗ that drawing okay all right tentatively

47:53 ↗ we're looking at this and leaving it as

47:55 ↗ is we're following the recommend yeah

47:56 ↗ yeah yeah I think that's the general

47:58 ↗ feel we just want to pick at it a little

48:01 ↗ bit some of those properties down at the

48:03 ↗ bottom yes you can include that in the

48:05 ↗ notes

48:06 ↗ I think you yeah cuz we can we can kind

48:11 ↗ of Fudd's around with the bottom but if

48:12 ↗ it's not really gonna impact anything I

48:14 ↗ don't really want to change the boundary

48:15 ↗ and confuse the public with a line

48:18 ↗ that's been drawn for several years in a

48:20 ↗ room okay

48:21 ↗ well we'll bring it and you guys can

48:22 ↗ look at it we'll see what happens okay

48:26 ↗ all right so I just wanted to step back

48:30 ↗ real quick weird there were four things

48:31 ↗ that we were gonna address one was does

48:33 ↗ this draft capture our previous intent

48:35 ↗ and assuming that you all have read it

48:39 ↗ do you think that the draft that's in

48:42 ↗ your packet does what you want it to do

48:46 ↗ still yeah yeah okay did we learn

48:51 ↗ anything for CIP visions and that may be

48:54 ↗ a question that has to wait to be

48:56 ↗ answered but is there anything you can

48:58 ↗ think of right now that could still be

48:59 ↗ applied I think that we learn on that I

49:03 ↗ learned I can speak for myself

49:05 ↗ that we because these these

49:09 ↗ neighborhoods are so close to each other

49:10 ↗ I kind of feel more justified giving

49:13 ↗ these more stringent guidelines

49:15 ↗ Stonetown and really keeping it as as

49:18 ↗ true to our intent as we want with our

49:21 ↗ codes and not feeling ashamed about that

49:23 ↗ being able to say no these are our

49:25 ↗ height limits and they're really

49:27 ↗ sticking true to our guns in Old Town

49:28 ↗ because right you know our neighborhood

49:31 ↗ just you just down the road can

49:33 ↗ accommodate you in another fashion if

49:35 ↗ that's what you need so I felt a little

49:37 ↗ more I feel more justified in saying

49:38 ↗ let's go hardcore with what we really

49:40 ↗ want to see all don't look like okay and

49:42 ↗ just as a side note to kind of along

49:43 ↗ those lines right after this gets

49:45 ↗ approved we start with the design

49:47 ↗ standards and the regulations so it'll

49:50 ↗ be fresh on your brain and you can

49:52 ↗ measure that's all I can say are not

49:53 ↗ better April I think this is an

49:56 ↗ improvement but I like the direction

49:57 ↗ we're going good I was gonna say I

49:59 ↗ really like the format of this my only

50:02 ↗ concern is that the format of this is so

50:05 ↗ different from the CIP and so I don't

50:09 ↗ know how to mesh the two of those

50:13 ↗ without going back to the CIPM saying

50:15 ↗ change it to this

50:18 ↗ you know no but I think is that kind of

50:20 ↗ goes back to this whole thing of Old

50:21 ↗ Town being in town and it's just sewing

50:24 ↗ like I kind of like it we're loading as

50:26 ↗ its own lofty kind of concept I think

50:28 ↗ there's anything in here that needs to

50:31 ↗ mention the CIP or connect the two of

50:35 ↗ them hmm I like being its own world

50:38 ↗ almost you know I think I think a shout

50:41 ↗ out to confluence as the transition

50:43 ↗ neighborhood okay

50:44 ↗ would be helpful because in the kind of

50:47 ↗ confluence we shout out old town mm-hm

50:49 ↗ then they could be good to reflect that

50:50 ↗ I think I think there should be a place

50:53 ↗ to talk about each of the entrances to

50:56 ↗ Old Town and the primary spots of

50:59 ↗ injuries kind of the gate yeah the

51:02 ↗ gateways if you will on the south end

51:04 ↗ from sunset from I nineteen pretty much

51:10 ↗ in every direction

51:12 ↗ not every street that comes into it but

51:14 ↗ the major yeah we did talk about that

51:17 ↗ we're talking about downtown plan right

51:19 ↗ it was in the old one

51:21 ↗ I think the April version okay I I have

51:27 ↗ a question so if we incorporate old

51:29 ↗ route 10 it'll be in the old town sub

51:32 ↗ area but are we going to brand it as old

51:35 ↗ town or what is it gonna be branded as

51:36 ↗ old route 10 I don't expect you answer

51:41 ↗ that question right now but I think I

51:43 ↗ think that's I think that's a really

51:44 ↗ interesting discussion for us have is do

51:47 ↗ we have two brands both of which are old

51:51 ↗ old-timey and vibrant or do we have one

51:53 ↗ or do we have one brand essentially then

51:55 ↗ it becomes like central Issaquah where

51:57 ↗ you have your two neighborhoods yep

51:58 ↗ where you have your old route 10

52:00 ↗ neighborhood in an old town in your Old

52:01 ↗ Town neighborhood but you don't it but

52:02 ↗ you don't necessarily need to do like in

52:04 ↗ this is Jessica will you have like

52:05 ↗ different design standards for him it

52:08 ↗ could still be one cohesive design

52:11 ↗ standard but you would perhaps do

52:13 ↗ branding in a wayfinding differently I

52:16 ↗ think brand itself yeah yeah but I

52:20 ↗ actually if the community thinks that

52:24 ↗ right old route 10 is something

52:26 ↗ different

52:27 ↗ Ryan Old Town and I think the branding

52:30 ↗ and sign

52:30 ↗ needs to reflect that even if from like

52:32 ↗ a planning document we just treat him as

52:34 ↗ one cohesive area okay I think that's a

52:39 ↗ good point so we need to figure out how

52:41 ↗ we address that in at this document

52:43 ↗ without separating them entirely but

52:48 ↗ mentioning the inclusion and what I

52:52 ↗ don't know whether you even go to the

52:53 ↗ point of saying what the vision is for

52:55 ↗ that area or whether that delineate sit

52:58 ↗ too much hmm

52:59 ↗ and that might be something that I'm

53:01 ↗ thinking out loud here we might that

53:03 ↗ might be something to add to the

53:04 ↗ short-term medium-term action plan is to

53:07 ↗ engage with the community particularly

53:09 ↗ the business owners along all around

53:11 ↗ 10:00 and say do they want to be branded

53:13 ↗ along with Front Street where they want

53:16 ↗ to be branded distinctly well and right

53:18 ↗ now because old town or old route 10 is

53:20 ↗ not a part of this there are no policies

53:22 ↗ regarding old route 10 so that is

53:24 ↗ something that we would need to add

53:25 ↗ before this comes back to a public

53:26 ↗ hearing if you guys want to see that and

53:27 ↗ if we do then you mention it and you all

53:31 ↗ say you know there's a vision for for

53:34 ↗ old rotten and the existing central

53:37 ↗ Issaquah plan that talks about having

53:40 ↗ that I don't know what kind of feel it

53:42 ↗ is but that they mentions it whatever

53:44 ↗ feel it is and it can be a policy to

53:47 ↗ maintain that feel and then build on

53:50 ↗ that in the standards well I wonder if a

53:52 ↗ section about kind of the unique places

53:56 ↗ or kind of treasures within

53:59 ↗ mm-hmm Old Town as a whole could talk

54:02 ↗ about specific properties that are

54:05 ↗ really really key or areas so you know

54:09 ↗ it could be as large as in urban areas

54:12 ↗ old route 10 or it could be something as

54:14 ↗ important as the community center I'm

54:17 ↗ just talking about we want to make sure

54:18 ↗ we preserve these so you're talking

54:20 ↗ about the treasures list that we have

54:21 ↗ because that one's about to be updated

54:23 ↗ is why I'm asking their treasures list

54:25 ↗ that's specific to its in town it's in

54:28 ↗ the comprehensive plan and most at least

54:31 ↗ 2/3 of those things are in Old Town okay

54:33 ↗ but that's gonna be revisited to okay I

54:36 ↗ guess I'm hungry I want to make sure

54:37 ↗ that the Old Town treasures are

54:41 ↗ all that in the old town okay my aunt I

54:43 ↗ guess I realized that once you duplicate

54:46 ↗ you have to make sure they align so

54:48 ↗ who's that to fight too but well I think

54:51 ↗ going back to the original idea of Olga

54:54 ↗ route 10 you know versus old town and

54:56 ↗ how do you reconcile I mean it could

54:58 ↗ just be as simple as treating it all as

54:59 ↗ one and then within this structure where

55:02 ↗ we talk about placemaking and you know

55:04 ↗ traditional billion whatever we can just

55:06 ↗ sprinkle it throughout right but I know

55:08 ↗ but I think what I'm saying is I think

55:10 ↗ there needs to be a little bit longer

55:11 ↗ conversation after whole doctrine gets

55:15 ↗ brought in to say do we want to treat

55:17 ↗ old about ten just as a part of old town

55:19 ↗ an old town is just kind of grown or

55:21 ↗ have we brought in a slightly unique

55:24 ↗ neighborhood that has its own sense of

55:27 ↗ place mm-hmm that's sharing a sub area

55:29 ↗ but still is its own and that's part of

55:31 ↗ your zoning discussion too once it gets

55:33 ↗ adopted in there but I think I just

55:35 ↗ wanna make the point that even after

55:37 ↗ we've decided on zoning and we after

55:38 ↗ we've decided on this iteration of the

55:40 ↗ severer plan I think that the city needs

55:42 ↗ to help drive a conversation between old

55:45 ↗ old town and

55:47 ↗ new old town just to figure out about

55:51 ↗ what what's the right way to speak about

55:54 ↗ an end to brand that I knew that new

55:56 ↗ space agreed so thinking through the

55:59 ↗ treasures we might think through which

56:03 ↗ one of those should be included in

56:06 ↗ pictures because there's a lot of great

56:08 ↗ pictures through here and I do notice

56:10 ↗ that the Front Street Market is there

56:12 ↗ maybe we have a place that with

56:14 ↗ something else that's you know maybe

56:16 ↗ still here before and after okay so did

56:29 ↗ you find the addition of the action

56:30 ↗ items helpful yes yes yeah okay yeah you

56:33 ↗ had a good discussion and then we just

56:35 ↗ talked about the boundary so we will

56:38 ↗ bring this back for just probably for

56:41 ↗ discussion another time I'm looking at

56:44 ↗ Trish we've been going back and forth on

56:45 ↗ our schedule

56:46 ↗ this has been a wild one we're hoping to

56:51 ↗ bring this back on the 26th of April

56:55 ↗ which is your next official meeting we

56:57 ↗ also have a public hearing that night on

57:00 ↗ TDRs in the highlands but considering we

57:03 ↗ still need to fit in a tour now right

57:06 ↗ I'm gonna go that fits in in this

57:07 ↗ discussion if we have the public here

57:09 ↗ yeah and I need to find out Keith's

57:11 ↗ schedule for the tour cuz he would be

57:13 ↗ the driver and so I'll make sure the

57:16 ↗ Vans available too right we have to get

57:18 ↗ that van with no gas in it and then are

57:21 ↗ we gonna end up adding back in the

57:23 ↗ conversation about the strategic plan in

57:28 ↗ the beginning head up that's me ma

57:30 ↗ that's our vase okay I think I don't

57:33 ↗ know when exactly the tour would be a

57:36 ↗ lot of it's on peace schedule but we had

57:38 ↗ public hearings well we could have at

57:41 ↗ the 24th and the other piece would you

57:43 ↗ want to wait for new members the new

57:45 ↗ members or would you want to do this

57:46 ↗ before June but other piece pardon you

57:53 ↗ said the other piece

57:54 ↗ what other piece oh the other question

57:57 ↗ is would you want to have the tour

57:58 ↗ before we have new members or overweight

58:01 ↗ or you mean I mean the public hearing in

58:02 ↗ the tour the tour okay yeah because the

58:07 ↗ tour could be as early as the 24th of

58:10 ↗ May yeah early as the tour could be and

58:13 ↗ we could just bump maybe the TI P okay

58:18 ↗ back and forth I do think it's a good

58:22 ↗ idea to have new members on the tour

58:24 ↗ it's a great way to immerse them into

58:26 ↗ this is what we do this is the you know

58:29 ↗ to really see this connection between

58:30 ↗ the abstract and reality so that's a

58:35 ↗ month out though it is I would rather

58:37 ↗ have us do the tour before based on our

58:39 ↗ schedule but maybe what we do is we do

58:41 ↗ the tour ahead of that and we think

58:43 ↗ about doing something in like September

58:44 ↗ before weather gets too gnarly and you

58:47 ↗ can think about because maybe that is

58:48 ↗ actually something to say thinks about

58:49 ↗ doing I know that's weird I think about

58:51 ↗ every year of a way of integrating new

58:54 ↗ members into and saying hey this is this

58:57 ↗ is how we interact in our community this

58:59 ↗ is what we why cuz it's really important

59:01 ↗ I I had a huge knowledge gained from

59:05 ↗ that being able to see this is where we

59:07 ↗ want to go this is because it's easy to

59:08 ↗ look at what it is now rather than our

59:10 ↗ my job is to see what what is it that we

59:11 ↗ want it to be and how is it that we're

59:12 ↗ planning for the future because Keith

59:14 ↗ would love to do another tour when the

59:16 ↗ new members come because he's always

59:18 ↗ driving right yeah yeah he's the MC well

59:22 ↗ I will shoot for might be a beautiful

59:24 ↗ thing if we want to get this done to be

59:26 ↗ able to fit with our agenda items and

59:28 ↗ something that we don't consider saying

59:30 ↗ hey this's right now maybe it's a bigger

59:32 ↗ kind of tour F in after June the April

59:36 ↗ 26 do you think that's gonna be along

59:39 ↗ the TDRs um no actually because this is

59:45 ↗ from the end of development agreements

59:47 ↗ it's quite islands that you all did and

59:50 ↗ councils approved the end of the

59:52 ↗ development agreements but the TDR piece

59:54 ↗ they talk about it in the adopted

59:58 ↗ regulations but they didn't actually

1:00:00 ↗ make a map and so that's what this is

1:00:03 ↗ bringing forward to sort of clean up

1:00:05 ↗ what was just adapted so there's

1:00:07 ↗ a lot to change fix man with that

1:00:12 ↗ understanding why can't we bring back

1:00:14 ↗ the old town and do both of them the

1:00:16 ↗ same night we're yes we're going to we

1:00:18 ↗ didn't find out about that until this

1:00:21 ↗ morning so we can do again the 26th we

1:00:24 ↗ can't do the public hearing then though

1:00:26 ↗ because we didn't advertise old town in

1:00:28 ↗ time but we could certainly then do the

1:00:31 ↗ tour the first open real meeting that I

1:00:34 ↗ have that would be open for the tour

1:00:36 ↗ would be May 24th but I don't know if

1:00:39 ↗ the driver is available on May 24th he

1:00:43 ↗ looks available nothing but free time

1:00:48 ↗ right nothing but net okay we can do

1:00:51 ↗ that offline okay so are there any more

1:00:57 ↗ comments questions on whole town for

1:01:00 ↗ right now oh thank you you know a good

1:01:04 ↗ discussion thinking so I am gonna open

1:01:06 ↗ up the for public comments sure anybody

1:01:10 ↗ would like to come in and this is

1:01:13 ↗ specifically on Old Town

1:01:26 ↗ David Kepler 255 southeast Andrew Street

1:01:30 ↗ so old town very close to here parking

1:01:35 ↗ as far as I'm concerned the city has no

1:01:38 ↗ parking enforcement unless you have

1:01:40 ↗ parked on a red curb you know for the

1:01:42 ↗ fire zone or something like that and

1:01:44 ↗ maybe sometimes if you park in a

1:01:46 ↗ handicapped zone how much money do we

1:01:50 ↗ want to spend on creating parking

1:01:52 ↗ garages in the city so that people that

1:01:56 ↗ don't even pay for Sound Transit can

1:01:59 ↗ come to downtown Issaquah and catch the

1:02:01 ↗ 554 to go to Seattle or whatever so I

1:02:05 ↗ think parkings got to be figured out it

1:02:07 ↗ needs to be improved but we did not want

1:02:09 ↗ to become in this in this area or the

1:02:14 ↗ central Issaquah just a bunch of parking

1:02:16 ↗ garages for light rail in the future

1:02:20 ↗ engagement we've had actually some good

1:02:23 ↗ engagements locally one was very

1:02:26 ↗ negative originally and that had to do

1:02:29 ↗ with the Teen Center and the

1:02:30 ↗ inappropriate placement of it it's

1:02:33 ↗ second and bush and we filled to over

1:02:37 ↗ capacity the trail house there with

1:02:39 ↗ people that were outraged about that but

1:02:43 ↗ then after through a process it got

1:02:46 ↗ moved to a more appropriate place by the

1:02:48 ↗ community center between the pool and

1:02:49 ↗ the community center and the community

1:02:51 ↗ is very happy with that and there's no

1:02:53 ↗ issue the other one is the parking

1:02:56 ↗ dealing with rather not parking but the

1:02:59 ↗ the pasture traffic and the traffic

1:03:03 ↗ calming and overall most well forty

1:03:06 ↗ people are more showed up on a Saturday

1:03:08 ↗ morning at the at the trail house to

1:03:10 ↗ view the city's proposal for common

1:03:14 ↗ traffic calming on Andrews Bush some of

1:03:19 ↗ the side the north north south avenues

1:03:22 ↗ and alders Street was a great crowd

1:03:25 ↗ people very positive and except for

1:03:27 ↗ chicanes people are very positive about

1:03:28 ↗ the temporary traffic humming a

1:03:32 ↗ devices if we have a purpose you can get

1:03:36 ↗ people out but just say we want to talk

1:03:39 ↗ about the century the old town you're

1:03:43 ↗ not going to get anywhere you got to

1:03:45 ↗ have something that grabs people either

1:03:47 ↗ positively or negatively I missed last

1:03:54 ↗ night's meeting

1:03:55 ↗ but thirteen cubic feet is what's going

1:04:00 ↗ to be allowed in these communication

1:04:07 ↗ posts or whatever on these pot on these

1:04:10 ↗ piles on posts 13 cubic feet up in the

1:04:14 ↗ air and then power supply and other

1:04:17 ↗ things can be on the ground 13 cubic

1:04:20 ↗ feet by my calculation is the same as 21

1:04:24 ↗ five-gallon buckets

1:04:26 ↗ it's a lot of it's a lot of stuff

1:04:29 ↗ hanging up in the air and as I was

1:04:31 ↗ watching this on my phone last night

1:04:33 ↗ looking at mounts up mount or

1:04:37 ↗ swag Mountain on my phone and I was

1:04:39 ↗ looking at squawk Mountain watching the

1:04:42 ↗ the the meeting last night and I

1:04:45 ↗ realized that power pool there could

1:04:47 ↗ have one of these monsters in my alley

1:04:49 ↗ and I think we have to think about view

1:04:52 ↗ impacts and impacts in general about

1:04:54 ↗ these things thank you

1:05:03 ↗ hi I'm Kerry McGill with rally

1:05:05 ↗ properties 1595 Northwest Gilman

1:05:08 ↗ Boulevard and I just had four points I'm

1:05:10 ↗ looking through the old town plan it

1:05:12 ↗ looks pretty good to me but there is a

1:05:14 ↗ lot of mention about preserving views

1:05:16 ↗ but it doesn't say which views views of

1:05:18 ↗ the creek if you are their signature

1:05:20 ↗ views all views so the little bit more

1:05:23 ↗ work there needs to probably happen to

1:05:25 ↗ identify priority eights of views I was

1:05:29 ↗ really glad to hear you guys talking

1:05:30 ↗ about starting to talk about connections

1:05:32 ↗ to other areas because that was really

1:05:34 ↗ important in the district visions it was

1:05:35 ↗ emphasized in so many areas and this one

1:05:38 ↗ doesn't really have how it ties into

1:05:40 ↗ Issaquah Highlands and talus and makes

1:05:42 ↗ those connections and so that's another

1:05:44 ↗ piece that you might want to look at

1:05:48 ↗ consolidation of services is another

1:05:50 ↗ thing since ground is so scarce on Front

1:05:53 ↗ Street particularly around like garbage

1:05:55 ↗ for example maybe a common garbage

1:05:57 ↗ facility that could be utilized by many

1:05:59 ↗ people would reduce the number of

1:06:01 ↗ dumpsters in the backs of buildings and

1:06:04 ↗ create more optional uses for that

1:06:07 ↗ property instead and then the last ones

1:06:09 ↗ kind of minor but you might want to

1:06:10 ↗ define what cut through traffic is I

1:06:12 ↗ think what you mean is that it's for

1:06:14 ↗ people from other cities going through

1:06:16 ↗ Issaquah not stopping but we don't want

1:06:19 ↗ it maybe to mean if you're from the

1:06:21 ↗ Highlands and you need to go to Tallis

1:06:23 ↗ are you cutting through so maybe just

1:06:26 ↗ well thought around that so thank you

1:06:29 ↗ thank you

1:06:38 ↗ hi I'm John mavet and I run the Grange

1:06:41 ↗ at 145 Gilman Boulevard we've been there

1:06:44 ↗ since 1943 moved from Renton in was

1:06:49 ↗ started in rent in 1934 and moved to is

1:06:51 ↗ a call in 1943 I don't have that much to

1:06:55 ↗ say because I think I've said it at some

1:06:57 ↗ meetings before I'd really like us to be

1:06:59 ↗ considered part of old town I think when

1:07:01 ↗ you consider a couple of things branding

1:07:04 ↗ there there's any anyone who will tell

1:07:07 ↗ you there's one brand you don't go we're

1:07:08 ↗ gonna call one old town and one old

1:07:10 ↗ route 10

1:07:11 ↗ everybody knows what a town in is but

1:07:13 ↗ nobody who's lived here you know ten

1:07:15 ↗ years or less knows what route 10 is and

1:07:17 ↗ I think that with a hundred and nearly

1:07:20 ↗ one hundred and fifty years of business

1:07:21 ↗ between us and Boehm's you would have to

1:07:24 ↗ consider us part of Old Town the other

1:07:28 ↗ thing I think is really worth

1:07:29 ↗ considering in terms of that section of

1:07:33 ↗ Issaquah being considered Old Town is in

1:07:37 ↗ these last I've been managing the Grange

1:07:40 ↗ for about a year and a half and we've

1:07:42 ↗ really done a lot of outreach into the

1:07:43 ↗ highlands and both with Highlands day

1:07:46 ↗ and then I did stem night at claw Hannie

1:07:48 ↗ and the diversity of those events has

1:07:53 ↗ been astonishing to me I grew up in

1:07:55 ↗ shoreline and then lived in ballard for

1:07:58 ↗ a million years and and yet as those

1:08:02 ↗ events and and as i go back and work in

1:08:05 ↗ my store i see those faces back in in

1:08:08 ↗ the grange because they picked up our

1:08:10 ↗ information and they come in they want

1:08:12 ↗ to see the baby chicks and they want to

1:08:14 ↗ see the the the gardening thing the

1:08:15 ↗ things that we do and they come in buy

1:08:18 ↗ the pet foods and in the Scout gear and

1:08:20 ↗ and so it really is quite a gateway I

1:08:23 ↗ think between one of the fastest growing

1:08:24 ↗ communities in Issaquah and Old Town and

1:08:29 ↗ then secondly the Grange going forward

1:08:33 ↗ and as long as my team is there and as

1:08:35 ↗ long as I'm there our budget for

1:08:38 ↗ marketing is in community sponsorship

1:08:41 ↗ and community giving this spring we will

1:08:45 ↗ be holding a symposium on cashier

1:08:48 ↗ harassment that we're going

1:08:49 ↗ to try to work with the chamber and get

1:08:53 ↗ cashiers and those folks from all over

1:08:55 ↗ and really come up with sort of the

1:08:57 ↗ hashtag me to here's what do you do when

1:09:00 ↗ that customer gets a little fresh and

1:09:02 ↗ give people those sorts of tools

1:09:05 ↗ secondly we're working with Audra Greene

1:09:08 ↗ Gaines Mulkern who is a documentarian

1:09:12 ↗ who is doing a documentary about women

1:09:16 ↗ farmers throughout history it's a it's

1:09:19 ↗ one of those things working backwards

1:09:20 ↗ she already has the distribution she

1:09:23 ↗ just needs the money to make the film

1:09:25 ↗ PBS has already said they'll run it and

1:09:27 ↗ so the Grange is really taking an active

1:09:29 ↗ role in finding and giving the money to

1:09:32 ↗ to make that that documentary The Grange

1:09:37 ↗ is also going through a remodel we're

1:09:39 ↗ just getting to the beginning of it and

1:09:40 ↗ realizing that we don't want people from

1:09:42 ↗ San Diego and Eugene telling us what the

1:09:43 ↗ grain should look like

1:09:45 ↗ we want people in Issaquah telling us

1:09:46 ↗ what the grain should look like and so

1:09:48 ↗ that remodel including a barn in which

1:09:51 ↗ will have barn dances where old town can

1:09:54 ↗ get down will be will be forthcoming

1:09:58 ↗ along with electronic vehicle charging

1:10:00 ↗ stations because we are a fuel stop and

1:10:02 ↗ we want to be a fuel stop for the next

1:10:04 ↗ hundred years

1:10:06 ↗ we love our involvement in downtown

1:10:09 ↗ Issaquah I mean it's been the for me

1:10:13 ↗ it's the shiniest thing I've done since

1:10:14 ↗ I've taken over and and we really really

1:10:18 ↗ want that to continue so I would just

1:10:21 ↗ you know when the subject comes up of of

1:10:23 ↗ calling our part of the woods I'm old

1:10:28 ↗ route 10 I really would would strongly

1:10:30 ↗ advocate and ask you to to fight to make

1:10:34 ↗ it part of Old Town because that's how

1:10:35 ↗ we feel and that's who we support and I

1:10:38 ↗ think it's an easier I think it's an

1:10:39 ↗ easier thing to brand so call us Gateway

1:10:42 ↗ and calls the Gateway to Old Town I

1:10:44 ↗ think that's fine but I would just I'd

1:10:46 ↗ assume the Grange and I'm sure I mean

1:10:50 ↗ Julius Boehm you know is he would but he

1:10:53 ↗ got here from Ravenna in 52 and there's

1:10:56 ↗ a guy who ran the torch for the Berlin

1:10:58 ↗ Olympics in 1936 I mean this is some

1:11:00 ↗ history that you just

1:11:02 ↗ have here without without that story and

1:11:04 ↗ without it being part of us so I don't

1:11:06 ↗ know keep us as part of Old Town and

1:11:08 ↗ thank you so much for for hearing me out

1:11:14 ↗ one thing I would like to see is a more

1:11:17 ↗ some connectivity between all route 10

1:11:23 ↗ and downtown if there was some

1:11:27 ↗ connection where you could just walk

1:11:28 ↗ where you didn't have to walk around

1:11:29 ↗ that would be great I'm not either

1:12:06 ↗ bringing a road honey so I'm I'm way up

1:12:17 ↗ high compared to most when I look at the

1:12:21 ↗ building blocks of the city and how

1:12:23 ↗ we're going to plan and organize it

1:12:25 ↗ I want the forms for all the sub areas

1:12:28 ↗ to be the same so that every time

1:12:30 ↗ somebody has to use the tool they don't

1:12:33 ↗ have to relearn the tool that they're

1:12:35 ↗ using in the organizational structure so

1:12:38 ↗ I want this to be organized like the

1:12:40 ↗ central Issaquah plan is organized using

1:12:43 ↗ the same component parts because when

1:12:46 ↗ the planners have to use the tool it is

1:12:51 ↗ way easier for them to just use the same

1:12:54 ↗ tool but with different language in the

1:12:57 ↗ tool than having to learn the construct

1:13:00 ↗ and same with the community and so I

1:13:03 ↗ resist that because it's a different

1:13:05 ↗ part of town it should have a different

1:13:07 ↗ looking tool it should have different

1:13:09 ↗ language different descriptions and

1:13:12 ↗ different focal points but have this

1:13:15 ↗ structure so then given that I want that

1:13:20 ↗ to happen I'm going to describe what

1:13:22 ↗ that would look like you'd get the maps

1:13:25 ↗ you already talked about it and you cut

1:13:27 ↗ off the areas that make sense to have a

1:13:30 ↗ specialized character within Old Town

1:13:33 ↗ and each of those areas gets their own

1:13:36 ↗ design standards you already have the

1:13:38 ↗ start of that within your old town they

1:13:40 ↗ do have these mapped areas where the

1:13:42 ↗ rules are slightly different in some

1:13:44 ↗ areas rather than others and that is how

1:13:47 ↗ you can deal with the southern area it

1:13:49 ↗ should have a different set of standards

1:13:51 ↗ than the Gilman area and the Gilman area

1:13:56 ↗ potentially should have a different set

1:13:58 ↗ of standards than the central Main

1:14:01 ↗ Street area and the Cherry Street same

1:14:03 ↗ thing that's just me theorizing now what

1:14:07 ↗ do you do when you start talking about

1:14:08 ↗ the connections and you say where are

1:14:10 ↗ the parks and you say well you know what

1:14:13 ↗ we actually need our parks map just like

1:14:16 ↗ we have the green necklace for the CIP

1:14:18 ↗ to overlay into our Old Town area so

1:14:22 ↗ that we can understand that our parks

1:14:24 ↗ are appropriately placed and that we

1:14:28 ↗ have the pathways and corridors that

1:14:30 ↗ link them all at the same time we need

1:14:34 ↗ to understand our traffic and and roads

1:14:37 ↗ standards and how they will be used for

1:14:39 ↗ example Gilman on that and has an

1:14:41 ↗ enormous right-of-way and that is

1:14:44 ↗ currently unplanned and my understanding

1:14:46 ↗ is it's going in the CIP for a potential

1:14:49 ↗ planning effort for that end of Gilman I

1:14:51 ↗ don't think that was on this list but I

1:14:54 ↗ think that would need to be added to the

1:14:56 ↗ list and then when I imagine what that

1:15:00 ↗ street could be I want that to be the

1:15:02 ↗ festival street because it doesn't go

1:15:04 ↗ through you don't have to shut down

1:15:06 ↗ traffic but it could be the streets you

1:15:08 ↗ closed down you use the Grange you use

1:15:11 ↗ the big parking lots and you have your

1:15:13 ↗ your weekend dues and then that festival

1:15:18 ↗ street in the middle of Old Town I don't

1:15:21 ↗ think is as important it might be a

1:15:23 ↗ smaller thing I think you need to

1:15:25 ↗ rethink the Old Town

1:15:27 ↗ plan now that you have a whole new area

1:15:32 ↗ that needs to fit in and can augment it

1:15:34 ↗ so I wouldn't want to lose sight of that

1:15:37 ↗ Tour's absolutely every time because you

1:15:43 ↗ don't know unless you've gone through so

1:15:45 ↗ I'm gonna reiterate really fast

1:15:48 ↗ structure the same for the CIP mapping

1:15:52 ↗ same the CIP parks the same as the CIP

1:15:57 ↗ and then let your imagination go forth

1:16:02 ↗ so that you can describe the special

1:16:05 ↗ areas that you want to highlight and

1:16:07 ↗ create within the whole of Old Town

1:16:11 ↗ thanks and seeing nobody else I'm going

1:16:19 ↗ to close the audience comments anything

1:16:23 ↗ else that you guys would like to kind of

1:16:28 ↗ touch upon to be added to our next

1:16:33 ↗ meeting I do want to say one thing that

1:16:36 ↗ in the original central plan that part

1:16:41 ↗ of highway 10 old route 10 was going to

1:16:46 ↗ be set up as a completely different kind

1:16:51 ↗ of a 50s look in there and so it was

1:16:55 ↗ going to be really you know unique part

1:16:57 ↗ of the city so that I don't think that's

1:16:59 ↗ gonna happen now but that's what it was

1:17:00 ↗ gonna be AJ I think I would just echo

1:17:04 ↗ the comment about views I think that got

1:17:06 ↗ brought up in the CIP that we a lot of

1:17:08 ↗ references to views but we did

1:17:09 ↗ everything specific I think that's

1:17:11 ↗ something that still needs to be

1:17:12 ↗ tightened up but I think old old town

1:17:14 ↗ will have the same issues that we can't

1:17:16 ↗ we can't protect we can't protect our

1:17:18 ↗ views until we've gotten more specific

1:17:20 ↗ about what that actually means I think

1:17:22 ↗ it also being wise to discuss what

1:17:26 ↗ through traffic is define that as

1:17:30 ↗ whether it's out of the community pass

1:17:33 ↗ through traffic or internal past

1:17:35 ↗ traffic and actually to Connie's point

1:17:39 ↗ having the the two documents the same

1:17:41 ↗ like to bring that up as a discussion

1:17:44 ↗ feedback from my commissioners that's

1:17:49 ↗ it's actually I think it's a worthy

1:17:52 ↗ Justin I think we need to think about

1:17:55 ↗ how to do it without necessarily tearing

1:18:00 ↗ apart both of the different documents

1:18:04 ↗ because they are very different I think

1:18:06 ↗ there's a lot of value to this

1:18:08 ↗ particular document but I think Connie

1:18:10 ↗ brought up some very important points

1:18:12 ↗ about making sure that the information

1:18:15 ↗ is there for things like parks and

1:18:19 ↗ mobility to make sure that they are

1:18:22 ↗ called out appropriately rather than

1:18:26 ↗ glossed over in this area I don't know

1:18:29 ↗ if that deals with structure as much as

1:18:32 ↗ content I agree I think it's more of a

1:18:35 ↗ content of a double check rather than

1:18:37 ↗ necessarily restructuring the document

1:18:40 ↗ to be the same okay so you have homework

1:18:43 ↗ now go back and and just kind of put the

1:18:46 ↗ two together and see if you can come up

1:18:47 ↗ with anything that either the language

1:18:51 ↗ or just some specific that might have

1:18:54 ↗ been forgotten I don't think we at this

1:18:58 ↗ point in time we should go back and

1:19:00 ↗ although I'd love to have them exactly

1:19:03 ↗ the same I think we need to get on get

1:19:07 ↗ this approved so that we can get on to

1:19:10 ↗ looking at the codes and making sure

1:19:12 ↗ that this stuff is done if it's just a

1:19:15 ↗ matter of all the stuff in it is great

1:19:18 ↗ it just doesn't look the same you know

1:19:21 ↗ maybe at some point in time when there's

1:19:24 ↗ nothing else to do you can go back and

1:19:26 ↗ and change it but I'm hoping to get

1:19:29 ↗ through this so that we can actually do

1:19:32 ↗ all those codes that Kristin put up on

1:19:35 ↗ the and the screen so though ideas for

1:19:41 ↗ next meeting if you have time to kind of

1:19:44 ↗ put them together you don't have to look

1:19:45 ↗ through everything but if there's

1:19:46 ↗ something that really stands

1:19:47 ↗ oh we got to look at traffic well maybe

1:19:49 ↗ we this is the language that we should

1:19:52 ↗ use too and I think that's what city

1:19:54 ↗ council wanted us to do was to compare

1:19:57 ↗ and make sure it was similar in most

1:19:59 ↗ instances so with that there's nothing

1:20:04 ↗ else um we're still trying to find a

1:20:06 ↗ date for training I've heard back from

1:20:09 ↗ some of you all and and maybe we can

1:20:13 ↗ adjourn it and then talk about different

1:20:15 ↗ dates because it'll just sort of be a

1:20:16 ↗ scheduling thing so do you want to

1:20:19 ↗ adjourn the meeting and then we can talk

1:20:20 ↗ about training

1:20:21 ↗ okay I'm gonna adjourn the meeting at

1:20:26 ↗ 7:15 eyes close enough and with that

1:20:33 ↗ we're done for this evening thank you

1:20:35 ↗ for the comments it's awful awful nice

1:20:37 ↗ to have people come and continue the

1:20:41 ↗ conversation because you always come up

1:20:43 ↗ with some ideas that we haven't thought

1:20:46 ↗ about

1:20:55 ↗ you

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