Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, January 25, 2018 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

packet pp.3

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Staff report:

Planning Policy Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Trish Heinonen, Planning Manager policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides Email guidance and direction for Issaquah’s future growth through continued review and improvement to the Regular Members City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related 2018 – Joy Lewis land use documents. 2018 – Jon Stob 2018 – Carl Swedberg Membership 2018 – Lindsey Walsh The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2019 – Joan Probala seven regular members, with four-year terms; and 2020 – Ron Faul several alternates, with two-year terms. All 2020 – Troy Rahmig members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire Alternate Members April 30 of the year listed. For more information, 2018 – Victoria Hunt see IMC 18.03. 2018 – AJ McGauley 2018 – Althea Saldanha 2018 – Vacant

2. AGENDA ITEMS

Information Sharing: Transit-Oriented Development Project Update, (I)

Jen Davis Hayes, Economic Development Manager · packet pp.5–16

Topics: Transportation

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Staff report:

A. Transit Oriented Development – information only/no action requested (taken from City website) 1. Overview The City will partner with a developer to create a mixed-use, transit-oriented development (TOD) on a prime opportunity site to align with the Central Issaquah Plan vision. The City is facilitating this complex project in order to achieve the City’s vision. There are multiple parties include City and County government, private corporation and county housing authority.

Discussion: Central Issaquah District Visions

Keith Niven, Development Services Director Trish Heinonen, Planning Policy Manager

Topics: Land Use

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0:18 ↗ good evening and welcome to the January

0:23 ↗ 25th meeting of the Planning Policy

0:24 ↗ Commission welcome all of you as you can

0:30 ↗ see we're back to our roundtable and we

0:32 ↗ have some additions to the Planning

0:35 ↗ Policy Commission you can tell the

0:39 ↗ members of the planning policy because

0:42 ↗ we actually have nametags in front of us

0:43 ↗ but there are a few people around this

0:45 ↗ table that have been supported of us for

0:49 ↗ a while and so I'd like to just have

0:51 ↗ them say your name so that the rest of

0:53 ↗ the planning policy people know who you

0:56 ↗ are you don't have to go explain

0:58 ↗ anything it's just you know tell us your

1:00 ↗ name so we know how to interface with

1:03 ↗ you

1:04 ↗ well I'm Mel Morgan I serve on the

1:07 ↗ development Commission and I was on the

1:08 ↗ central area task force as well and I'm

1:11 ↗ Kerry McGill with Raleigh properties and

1:14 ↗ I'm Kathy McCrory I'm the executive

1:16 ↗ director of the Chamber of Commerce

1:18 ↗ welcome and well tonight we're going to

1:27 ↗ we have a lot of different things that

1:29 ↗ we're going to talk about tonight

1:31 ↗ the first one I was just going to tell

1:34 ↗ us about a possible change to the one of

1:37 ↗ the I areas on the comprehensive plan

1:42 ↗ that is being changed or proposed to

1:45 ↗ myself and I'm Jewish why don't you just

1:47 ↗ going right now it's just a quick update

1:49 ↗ um we have a new mayor and the new mayor

1:52 ↗ was very interested in the comp plan

1:54 ↗ docket so she asked to see it she loved

1:57 ↗ what you did with it she loved the ones

1:59 ↗ that you added and she wanted to add two

2:01 ↗ more and she wanted us to let you know

2:04 ↗ that she added two more so you would

2:06 ↗ know that she was very supportive of the

2:07 ↗ docket you put together but she was

2:09 ↗ pretty excited

2:11 ↗ to add two more and so these are the two

2:13 ↗ one of them was there are a couple of

2:16 ↗ policies about st3 Sound Transit three

2:19 ↗ that she wanted us to she called it

2:22 ↗ strategic tactical revision part of it

2:26 ↗ was about the the spur and part of it

2:28 ↗ was about the maintenance yard the other

2:30 ↗ one was to expand on the policy on

2:33 ↗ number five which was the building on

2:35 ↗ slopes she wanted to prioritize

2:38 ↗ acquisition of forested hillsides and

2:41 ↗ lands that connect enhance connections

2:43 ↗ to public lands so she was hopeful that

2:46 ↗ you would be supportive of adding those

2:48 ↗ to the ones that you added and these

2:50 ↗ will all get reviewed at land and shore

2:52 ↗ on February 8th okay that's all for me

2:58 ↗ so exactly what are they those are the

3:03 ↗ two those would be now docket items okay

3:06 ↗ so it will be it'd be a total waste of

3:08 ↗ confident amendments so I think there

3:09 ↗ you had 16 and this would be 17 and 18

3:12 ↗ okay so yeah it's gonna be a big year

3:15 ↗ does anybody have a problem with that

3:18 ↗ questions okay okay so now I think Jen

3:23 ↗ cuz you want to save the minutes for

3:25 ↗ later or what you want to save the

3:28 ↗ minutes because we couldn't do minutes

3:29 ↗ last night or do you want to do this

3:30 ↗ later

3:30 ↗ they helped and he's telling me to do

3:32 ↗ the minutes the minutes weren't in their

3:36 ↗ packet so I'm not sure okay because

3:39 ↗ their eyes yes we should do over all

3:41 ↗ them into the next packet that we do cuz

3:43 ↗ I think we have some meetings coming

3:44 ↗ next time we'll have four minutes to

3:48 ↗ approve okay unless everybody is up to

3:54 ↗ date on all the minutes have you read

3:57 ↗ them all you go back to what January

4:01 ↗ 10th and 11th

4:05 ↗ safe injection sites and one the next

4:08 ↗ one was on visions is everybody

4:12 ↗ everybody read them I reviewed them for

4:15 ↗ last night's meeting you yes no you

4:20 ↗ haven't read them so I don't have a

4:23 ↗ choice but to wait till okay I'll attach

4:26 ↗ them to the next agenda so then there

4:27 ↗ before okay okay with that so not on the

4:35 ↗ agenda but we're gonna take an

4:37 ↗ opportunity to very do a very brief

4:39 ↗ introduction for Jeff Watling so Jeff

4:43 ↗ Watling is the city's Park director and

4:46 ↗ Jeff's gonna come up and just say a

4:48 ↗ couple words about the next planning

4:51 ↗ policy Commission meeting where we're

4:53 ↗ gonna actually not the next one that's

4:55 ↗ small-cell the next one after that which

4:59 ↗ is the green necklace green network

5:02 ↗ green something stuff all right welcome

5:11 ↗ thank you anxious to to create this

5:14 ↗ green network okay good

5:17 ↗ so are we so yeah Thank You Keith Jeff

5:20 ↗ Watling Parks Recreation Director with

5:22 ↗ Issaquah as you've been hard at work

5:25 ↗ doing your stuff and in important work

5:28 ↗ we've been working with the park board

5:30 ↗ on the park strategic plan been working

5:33 ↗ with development services and planning

5:36 ↗ staff around how do we start to mesh

5:39 ↗ these two important documents and in

5:43 ↗ plans we have been working with a

5:49 ↗ consultant burger partnership or a

5:51 ↗ landscape architect firm that's been

5:53 ↗ doing some terrific work really at its

5:56 ↗ heart looking at our existing park

5:58 ↗ system and how do we begin to create a

6:02 ↗ system-wide really vision for that

6:04 ↗ system how do we begin to connect it

6:06 ↗ better connect it in recent weeks as

6:11 ↗ we've been talking with planning staff

6:13 ↗ and hearing some of the work that you're

6:15 ↗ doing here in the coming month

6:17 ↗ we we feel there's an opportunity to do

6:20 ↗ some collaborative work as we're

6:22 ↗ beginning to wrap up this two-part plan

6:24 ↗ and so what we have proposed and we

6:27 ↗ would love to do is on February 8th

6:30 ↗ we're working on the scope right now

6:32 ↗ with our landscape architect but have

6:34 ↗ Burger partnership come invite the park

6:36 ↗ board to come I understand the original

6:41 ↗ task force members have been part of

6:43 ↗ this group and all of you and and the

6:46 ↗ work that you've done and let's let's do

6:50 ↗ a Charette exercise if you're familiar

6:53 ↗ with charettes very engaging very active

6:55 ↗ very interactive a lot of map work and

6:59 ↗ let's spend that meeting and perhaps

7:01 ↗ another meeting in February and really

7:03 ↗ put the collective heads together of all

7:07 ↗ the great work that you've done and I

7:09 ↗ think what we'll produce I'm quite

7:12 ↗ confident what we'll produce is a more

7:15 ↗ defined vision of the necklace and how

7:18 ↗ that incorporates into the public system

7:20 ↗ meets the goals within the central

7:22 ↗ Etsuko of visions and the product will

7:26 ↗ get will then help to a and form the

7:29 ↗ Parc strategic plan we take that that

7:31 ↗ outcome that product and we have that

7:33 ↗ right into the park strategic plan and

7:36 ↗ it would be an outcome that we would

7:37 ↗ hope really becomes an important element

7:39 ↗ of the central of all visions work in

7:42 ↗ terms of that necklace piece and then I

7:46 ↗ think another real positive outcome in

7:48 ↗ there is this work then becomes that

7:50 ↗ bridge between the park strategic plan

7:52 ↗ and the central Issaquah visions work

7:55 ↗ and we end up with a meshed and

7:58 ↗ coordinated product so before the

8:02 ↗ meeting on the 8th will we be able to

8:05 ↗ get any information of what what you're

8:08 ↗ planning so that we come into the

8:09 ↗ meeting with some knowledge of what's

8:12 ↗ going on and how we can work great

8:14 ↗ question so yes absolutely we want to

8:17 ↗ as we're working with a consultant

8:19 ↗ framing what that evening looks like

8:21 ↗ hopefully prepare you with a series of

8:23 ↗ questions a series of sort of what that

8:25 ↗ evening is going to look like what we're

8:28 ↗ going to start with in terms of mapping

8:29 ↗ so yeah we have for our reading so I

8:34 ↗ want you to be prepared Jeff are you

8:41 ↗ going to bring in information or I

8:43 ↗ assume the information from what the

8:46 ↗ online survey for the whole how would

8:48 ↗ you spend your money on parks is that

8:50 ↗ included in your parks plan and what

8:54 ↗ we're gonna see and help me understand

8:57 ↗ the quest that was an online survey to

8:58 ↗ the community

9:00 ↗ I assume that's closed and are we

9:03 ↗ looking at any of that information or

9:05 ↗ has that already been digested by the

9:07 ↗ parks board and what we're seeing is the

9:10 ↗ results somewhat digested I think what

9:12 ↗ we plan on starting with some of the

9:14 ↗ starting information is one of the

9:18 ↗ products will be a map and a map of the

9:20 ↗ park plan that identifies strategic

9:22 ↗ projects and those strategic projects

9:24 ↗ were directly informed by that public

9:27 ↗ outreach and that public feedback

9:30 ↗ if that's none of them were informed by

9:33 ↗ the public feedback so they were all in

9:35 ↗ full hey I was gonna say okay good or

9:37 ↗ evil siren yes maybe modified my word

9:40 ↗ yes yeah yeah okay fantastic thanks

9:42 ↗ thank you looking forward okay thank you

9:46 ↗ that's - okay neck next up on our

9:51 ↗ meeting is the economic development

9:54 ↗ director Jen and yes I got a motion I

9:59 ↗ love it don't talk II as an oriented

10:04 ↗ development project that the city is

10:06 ↗ working on hi so my name is Jenna Davis

10:09 ↗ Hayes I am the economic development

10:11 ↗ manager here at the city and I also have

10:14 ↗ two of our two of our development from

10:16 ↗ our development team Hal Faris who is

10:18 ↗ with spectrum development group

10:20 ↗ solutions and Dan I was at Watson Dan

10:24 ↗ Landis from Kent County Housing

10:26 ↗ Authority so we're really excited to be

10:28 ↗ here to talk to you about the the Tod

10:30 ↗ the transit oriented development

10:31 ↗ projects which we've been working on for

10:33 ↗ a while and upfront there's a lot of

10:36 ↗ pieces moving pieces and complexity and

10:38 ↗ so we tried to outline try to try to

10:41 ↗ outline kind of the the pieces that are

10:45 ↗ the most important and show you a little

10:47 ↗ about the process this has been a

10:49 ↗ project that's been going on since 2016

10:53 ↗ and will continue to go on as far as

10:55 ↗ decision making through that this year

10:57 ↗ next so this is by no means complete

11:01 ↗ there are opportunities for input and

11:05 ↗ other some it's not a fixed this is

11:09 ↗ exactly how it's going to be so so

11:12 ↗ tonight really we just want to talk

11:13 ↗ about the project process overview and

11:15 ↗ then talk about next steps so first why

11:18 ↗ why are we doing this so the economic

11:21 ↗ vitality commission helped us with one

11:24 ↗ of the council goals they had to look at

11:26 ↗ what would be an anchor project for the

11:28 ↗ central Issaquah area so as you know the

11:30 ↗ central plan was adopted about almost

11:32 ↗ six years ago and

11:35 ↗ we hadn't seen the type of development

11:37 ↗ that we had envisioned immediately and

11:39 ↗ one of the things that counsel asked us

11:41 ↗ to look at is what could we do that

11:44 ↗ could actually kind of help to spur

11:47 ↗ development or represent the development

11:48 ↗ that we want to see in central us across

11:50 ↗ so we did as Ankur project report and

11:53 ↗ there were four things are identified

11:55 ↗ one of them was looking at creating a

11:57 ↗ transit oriented development site next

11:59 ↗ to the quadrants that are down on the

12:02 ↗ valley floor as you may know that site

12:06 ↗ is currently occupied by CenturyLink and

12:08 ↗ they use it basically as a place to park

12:10 ↗ their work vehicles or their personal

12:12 ↗ vehicles during the day and dispatch

12:14 ↗ trucks out of there in a small office

12:16 ↗ space so obviously in our urban core you

12:18 ↗ want to see something right next to this

12:20 ↗ Transit Center that offers more

12:21 ↗ opportunities for the pedestrian

12:24 ↗ friendly Urban's lifestyle the

12:27 ↗ public-private partnership is something

12:29 ↗ that's important for us so making sure

12:30 ↗ that we as a city partner with experts

12:35 ↗ in the field to get a project done

12:36 ↗ as you know affordable housing was not

12:40 ↗ happening in the Senate it's not

12:41 ↗ happening in central school area this is

12:43 ↗ something that also is important for as

12:46 ↗ part of the development moratorium and

12:48 ↗ then vertical mix used aspects of

12:51 ↗ development wasn't happening one of the

12:53 ↗ things we also looked at is wanting to

12:56 ↗ expand human services and so I'll

12:57 ↗ explain how that loops in here but the

12:59 ↗ city did a community needs assessment

13:01 ↗ and obviously showed that there are some

13:03 ↗ opportunities and some gaps of services

13:05 ↗ and this project we hope will better

13:09 ↗ connect folks to the area amenity so the

13:11 ↗ people who are gonna be living there

13:12 ↗ we're going to have a better connection

13:13 ↗ in that area to the Transit Center and

13:15 ↗ Tibbets Valley Park so it hits a lot of

13:18 ↗ goals that city has and we're really

13:20 ↗ excited that we can put bring these all

13:22 ↗ together this is a very general project

13:26 ↗ timeline there's about 400 steps in here

13:28 ↗ that are not reflected but in general we

13:30 ↗ published an RFP at the end of 2016 we

13:34 ↗ had four responses for yes and we

13:38 ↗ interviewed the teams we selected this

13:41 ↗ team here today at the beginning of 2017

13:44 ↗ we worked on

13:46 ↗ memorandums of understanding that

13:49 ↗ basically showed the intent of our

13:50 ↗ partnership that was adopted and

13:53 ↗ assigned by the city in August and

13:57 ↗ really one of the key things that drove

14:00 ↗ this project is that in the summer of

14:02 ↗ 2016 the King County Council created

14:04 ↗ what's called a King County Tod fund and

14:07 ↗ they put 83 million dollars towards

14:11 ↗ projects throughout the county that

14:13 ↗ would benefit from is putting affordable

14:16 ↗ housing near a transit oriented

14:18 ↗ development site we in this area from

14:22 ↗ i-94 Issaquah to North Bend where allit

14:25 ↗ were allocated 10 million dollars so

14:28 ↗ that 82 there's a portion that can go to

14:32 ↗ anybody in the county but this 10

14:33 ↗ million dollars had to be spent within

14:35 ↗ this area we in Issaquah really were

14:38 ↗ they only this is like one of the few

14:40 ↗ sites that actually qualified for that

14:41 ↗ ten million dollars because of criteria

14:43 ↗ and so we applied for that money I

14:46 ↗ should say King County Housing Authority

14:48 ↗ applied for that money and they received

14:50 ↗ that award designation in December of

14:53 ↗ last year so we received ten million

14:55 ↗ dollars towards the project so that's a

14:57 ↗ we're able to then to provide a digital

14:59 ↗ affordable housing then beyond what we

15:01 ↗ could would have already been able to

15:03 ↗ provide so we're here today to tell you

15:07 ↗ a little bit about the project we plan

15:09 ↗ to do a community outreach tentatively

15:10 ↗ at the end of February and then we'll

15:12 ↗ also be working on the development

15:14 ↗ agreement so the MOU has the the general

15:17 ↗ intent the development grant will be the

15:19 ↗ binding details of that and so we'll

15:21 ↗ talk a little bit more about that this

15:23 ↗ year then they'll be design a permitting

15:28 ↗ work that the development team will do

15:29 ↗ doing construction will start in the

15:31 ↗ next few years and the to use d site

15:34 ↗ will be done in 2021

15:37 ↗ any questions oh so one of the things

15:40 ↗ that this these next two slides portray

15:43 ↗ is that we've been to council a lot that

15:46 ↗ we've been to out talk about different

15:48 ↗ topics but it's been various pieces of

15:51 ↗ the puzzle for the for the transit

15:53 ↗ oriented element so I just outlined here

15:56 ↗ when when we've been in front of Council

15:57 ↗ and

15:58 ↗ you you can always go back and look at

16:00 ↗ the presentation or the minutes from

16:02 ↗ that or the agenda packet from those

16:04 ↗ meetings but basically we've been in

16:06 ↗ front of council twice a talk in general

16:09 ↗ about the project so it's um something

16:10 ↗ silliman tonight we had to we're in

16:13 ↗ front of council for the annexation for

16:17 ↗ the mo use for the opportunity center

16:19 ↗ and again we'll get more details for the

16:21 ↗ multifamily tax exemption and for

16:23 ↗ actually the short planning of a

16:25 ↗ property in order to provide the

16:26 ↗ relocation site so this gives you some

16:28 ↗ details of where you can go and find

16:30 ↗ more information about the specific

16:32 ↗ things if you're interested in that any

16:34 ↗ questions about general process because

16:36 ↗ again there's a lot of things still to

16:38 ↗ come okay so kind of got into a little

16:43 ↗ bit the details but this is the site so

16:46 ↗ so orient yourself you can see Tibbets

16:48 ↗ valley park at the bottom of the picture

16:50 ↗ the project sites there in orange the

16:53 ↗ currently cent owned by Century Link we

16:56 ↗ again identified this as an anchor

16:57 ↗ project potential in 2014-15 and and

17:04 ↗ maybe was 15 and at the time century

17:07 ↗ links like we're happy where we are we

17:09 ↗ you know this is great site for us we

17:11 ↗ didn't have another location in the city

17:12 ↗ to actually look at them moving to and

17:15 ↗ we were not in this there was really

17:17 ↗ nothing kind of moving forward and so we

17:19 ↗ were able to identify a parcel in the

17:21 ↗ other side of town the general

17:25 ↗ components of the Tod is a vertical

17:27 ↗ mixed-use building which is really

17:29 ↗ exciting because we have not seen that

17:30 ↗ development type yet happen in the

17:32 ↗ central is central Issaquah area that

17:37 ↗ there will be approximately 360 units 3

17:41 ↗ and 25 yeah 60 okay okay I was like look

17:44 ↗ at that number and about 175 of those

17:46 ↗ are gonna be affordable there'll be some

17:48 ↗ ground-floor commercial space and again

17:51 ↗ the connection to the amenities I

17:52 ↗ mentioned before so a lot of questions

17:58 ↗ about what is this affordable housing

17:59 ↗ look like and so this provides you the

18:03 ↗ range of unit sizes by size of the

18:06 ↗ the size of the unit how many of those

18:08 ↗ units there are what so what percentage

18:10 ↗ they are affordable and the last column

18:13 ↗ is actually income affordable it should

18:15 ↗ say am i behind that so I think you guys

18:17 ↗ during the affordable housing

18:18 ↗ conversation have heard that term am i

18:20 ↗ area median income and so as you see

18:22 ↗ we're not we're creating affordable

18:25 ↗ housing for 40% 60% and 80% ami families

18:29 ↗ we're also providing housing so it's not

18:32 ↗ that only studio sizes are going to be

18:34 ↗ affordable to people in the in the

18:37 ↗ community but also up to three bedrooms

18:39 ↗ which is going to address you know

18:41 ↗ families who can cannot afford rents

18:43 ↗ currently in Issaquah any questions or

18:46 ↗ thoughts yeah um so I see the note that

18:49 ↗ this is proposed range and it may be

18:51 ↗ different would it be finalized in the

18:54 ↗ development agreement then the actual

18:58 ↗ mix of affordable units and the size

19:00 ↗ ratio and all that I'm gonna have how it

19:05 ↗ looks like he has a big everything was

19:06 ↗ cut you can come and address that so I'm

19:10 ↗ Hal Farris nice to meet you all the one

19:14 ↗ of the processes why this has taken so

19:17 ↗ long as any development project to go

19:19 ↗ forward typically you have to first

19:21 ↗ control the land know that you can you

19:23 ↗ own or get access to land before you can

19:25 ↗ build anything on it and the second is

19:27 ↗ you have to know that you can finance

19:29 ↗ you can afford to build it and you can

19:30 ↗ and what's different about affordable

19:32 ↗ housing is that you have to secure that

19:35 ↗ that funding that allows that lower

19:38 ↗ level of affordability first where a

19:40 ↗ market rate development would be able to

19:42 ↗ put these things together and then

19:43 ↗ secure their funding later just before

19:45 ↗ they're ready to start because they know

19:47 ↗ that it's kind of generally available in

19:48 ↗ the market the people that financed it

19:50 ↗ so that's why we've spent a year and a

19:52 ↗ half just getting to where we are

19:54 ↗ because one we had to get agreements

19:56 ↗ with CenturyLink which is not really

19:59 ↗ motivated to move they like where they

20:01 ↗ are but if they get a new place and it

20:04 ↗ is in a good location they like they're

20:06 ↗ willing to go so it took a long time to

20:07 ↗ get them on board and second the Tod

20:11 ↗ funding application you know the

20:13 ↗ applicant of the opportunity to apply

20:14 ↗ for it didn't just

20:16 ↗ got put out last summer and we submitted

20:18 ↗ the housing authorities submitted the

20:19 ↗ application in September and the award

20:21 ↗ wasn't made until December so we didn't

20:23 ↗ really know whether we had a project

20:25 ↗ possible until then so we we normally

20:29 ↗ would have gone out in front and had

20:31 ↗ public open houses and involved the

20:32 ↗ community of what was going to be in

20:34 ↗ there and what was going to look like

20:35 ↗ much earlier but we had to go through

20:37 ↗ this long protracted process to both

20:39 ↗ know that we could secure the financing

20:40 ↗ and second we could control the land

20:43 ↗ available build it so now after year and

20:45 ↗ a half we're kind of ready to do what

20:47 ↗ you normally would like to do so that's

20:48 ↗ to answer your question is we the

20:52 ↗ development agreement will have it will

20:56 ↗ have a high level of specificity yeah

20:58 ↗ but it has to have some flexibility

21:00 ↗ because we don't have all the design

21:01 ↗ done at that point in time so we will

21:04 ↗ put forth what is our concept design and

21:06 ↗ how many units which right now are those

21:07 ↗ numbers that you have in front of that

21:09 ↗ you actually have to actually have a

21:10 ↗ design behind that but as we really try

21:13 ↗ to put all the pieces into the puzzle to

21:15 ↗ the outfit we we may have to move the

21:17 ↗ numbers around a little bit but it'll be

21:19 ↗ pretty close to that but we would have

21:20 ↗ to come back the council and the city

21:23 ↗ may say we want a project that looks

21:25 ↗ abstention like this and then we have to

21:27 ↗ come back to them and say this after

21:29 ↗ we've done on this is what it looks like

21:30 ↗ if it's if it deviates from that and

21:32 ↗ they would have to say yes and if it was

21:34 ↗ a lot if we came in it whatever you know

21:36 ↗ a lot less they'd say no that doesn't

21:38 ↗ work for us so you know we have a an

21:41 ↗ ongoing process but we have they have to

21:44 ↗ have confidence in us and we have to

21:45 ↗ have confidence and you know all of the

21:47 ↗ other parties to know that we can move

21:48 ↗ forward because we have to spend a lot

21:49 ↗ of money and design and other things to

21:52 ↗ get to a point where we really know we

21:53 ↗ can start there okay thank you just so

21:56 ↗ that I'm clear is part of it then how

21:59 ↗ much is is part of the rate are the

22:03 ↗ ratio of affordability then dependent on

22:06 ↗ the funding that that you were talking

22:09 ↗ about or we raised the ten million

22:17 ↗ dollars from the county promising them a

22:20 ↗ hundred and fifty five units which are

22:23 ↗ the 60 and 40 percent units you see up

22:25 ↗ there on the chart and so if we vary

22:27 ↗ from that

22:28 ↗ we would have to go back to the county

22:30 ↗ and they may it may cost us some money

22:32 ↗ if we go below we were we're able to

22:35 ↗ produce more units with their money if

22:37 ↗ it's possible although I think for the

22:40 ↗ amount of money we're getting 155 is

22:42 ↗ likely going to be around where we end

22:44 ↗ up for those units okay thank you so I

22:49 ↗ have a question here

22:51 ↗ one approximately how many stories are

22:53 ↗ we looking at because a picture of the

22:54 ↗ pike was too so I can't imagine this me

22:56 ↗ stories yes stories we have five levels

22:59 ↗ of housing above one level of commercial

23:02 ↗ and then a level of underground parking

23:05 ↗ below that so it's from the street it

23:07 ↗ will look like six storey building okay

23:10 ↗ and then the Milliken era on line item

23:14 ↗ two is 175 units yada yada at 30 to 80

23:17 ↗ percent I'm looking here in the minimum

23:19 ↗ is forty percent so on the slider a

23:24 ↗ previous one

23:25 ↗ no on the on the handout oh okay

23:29 ↗ my 9m - it says 175 units of affordable

23:32 ↗ running rental residential units serving

23:35 ↗ individuals families from 30 to 80

23:37 ↗ percent oh he was saying going below

23:41 ↗ that he assumed that's a typo we've so

23:49 ↗ 30 to 40 is the lowest that will serve

23:52 ↗ that's where the 30 comes from it's kind

23:54 ↗ of the the Tod funding we got from the

23:59 ↗ county is only available to pay for

24:02 ↗ housing that targets people from 30% to

24:05 ↗ 80% in our case we only are using it for

24:08 ↗ 30 to 60% units so we in order to serve

24:14 ↗ people at 30 week target at 40 so it's

24:16 ↗ not it's the same as I mean we will have

24:19 ↗ people as low as 30 but probably not

24:20 ↗ below that okay now if you raise the

24:24 ↗ four of the income affordability level

24:26 ↗ to say someone 50 would you actually be

24:28 ↗ to build more units so all of our 40%

24:32 ↗ units will have project-based Section

24:34 ↗ eight so they'll actually generate a

24:36 ↗ higher rent with the section eight and

24:38 ↗ then a 50% unit would so no we wouldn't

24:41 ↗ that's what it's the section eights that

24:44 ↗ enable us to have the deeper income

24:46 ↗ targeting all right thank you yeah I

24:50 ↗ asked what your parking ratio is

24:52 ↗ planning to be yeah we the city allows

24:57 ↗ if we're close to a Transit Center which

24:59 ↗ we're really close generally we can be

25:01 ↗ at 0.8 stalls per unit and possibly I

25:05 ↗ think point six four studios but right

25:07 ↗ now we overall targeted point eight

25:09 ↗ stalls per unit so that's our current

25:13 ↗ ratio right now and we're you know we'd

25:15 ↗ like to have a little more parking than

25:17 ↗ that but we have to see we can't you

25:18 ↗ know whereas you know right on top of

25:20 ↗ the water table so we can't go down any

25:23 ↗ more than we are and we can't go any

25:25 ↗ wider than we are because we're filling

25:27 ↗ up the plate so we basically are trying

25:29 ↗ to just squeeze as much as we can in

25:31 ↗ within those physical limits these are

25:34 ↗ all apartments right these are all

25:36 ↗ apartments and money generated from the

25:41 ↗ apartments will pay off everything you

25:44 ↗ borrowed on us right yeah

25:50 ↗ there is money left over you know where

25:54 ↗ I'm assuming the best and then what most

25:56 ↗ wonderful thing it will come to a point

25:58 ↗ where it's paid off where does the extra

26:00 ↗ money go does it go to fund other

26:03 ↗ projects so this this is not this is

26:08 ↗ money the 10 million dollars that the

26:11 ↗ Housing Authority was awarded came from

26:13 ↗ King County they also received an award

26:16 ↗ of 2 million dollars from arch and that

26:18 ↗ is used to buy down the affordability

26:20 ↗ for these units and those units are

26:23 ↗ intended to be long-term affordable you

26:26 ↗ know not 10 years or 20 years but 50

26:29 ↗ years and as long as the building last

26:30 ↗ there that's how long it will be the

26:33 ↗ rest of the of the they also are

26:37 ↗ borrowing money that is supported by the

26:39 ↗ income for the project that goes to pay

26:42 ↗ off the bonds and the debt the Housing

26:44 ↗ Authority has and so within that what

26:47 ↗ we've talked about there is within the

26:49 ↗ hundred and fifty five units that are

26:51 ↗ really targeted to lower affordability

26:53 ↗ the rest of the project is done with 20%

26:58 ↗ of the units at 80% of area median

27:01 ↗ incomes so we've got forty sixty and

27:03 ↗ then 80 percent of area median come in

27:05 ↗ the restaurant market rate the city is

27:07 ↗ not providing any money or any subsidy

27:10 ↗ to that that's private debt and private

27:11 ↗ equity and so that will take 40 years to

27:15 ↗ pay off the debt for that project and

27:17 ↗ provide a return to the investors are

27:19 ↗ investing in that money so there isn't

27:20 ↗ money left over that gets distributed we

27:24 ↗ will hire a property manager that will

27:26 ↗ manage the property I think one other

27:30 ↗ piece to kind of keep aware is that

27:31 ↗ these buildings oftentimes may not have

27:34 ↗ reserve funds set outside and may have

27:36 ↗ to do some other fundraising for long

27:39 ↗ term right 40 years out to keep it going

27:43 ↗ right so then that Dan can speak to that

27:46 ↗ because that's how they so for our 155

27:51 ↗ units so a 155 of these our case King

27:53 ↗ County Housing Authority units we will

27:55 ↗ also be seeking low-income housing tax

27:56 ↗ credits which will actually be the

27:58 ↗ largest source of financing in this deal

28:01 ↗ and

28:01 ↗ that has a 15 year compliance period

28:03 ↗ which means we'll be partners with an

28:05 ↗ investor the likely a National Bank or

28:10 ↗ an insurance company for those 15 years

28:12 ↗ we recently got out of a partnership of

28:16 ↗ a similar project that we completed

28:17 ↗ about 18 years ago called the village at

28:20 ↗ over Lake Station in Redmond which so

28:24 ↗ when we got the investor out we still

28:26 ↗ had the underlying debt and we're paying

28:27 ↗ that down and we're because our rents

28:32 ↗ have been controlled by what the median

28:34 ↗ income is over time we don't have a

28:37 ↗ whole lot of cash flow on that property

28:39 ↗ even now that the investor is gone so

28:41 ↗ we're finding that we're needing that

28:43 ↗ just to make capital improvements and we

28:47 ↗ we may even in a few years need to Reese

28:49 ↗ indicate that just to do some some

28:51 ↗ upgrades to the property so that's kind

28:53 ↗ of how affordable when you have like

28:56 ↗ lower income rents there usually isn't I

28:58 ↗ mean we're in it we do our housing

29:00 ↗ forever so it will likely be at you know

29:02 ↗ serving these same income groups 50

29:06 ↗ years from now and so we will be plowing

29:09 ↗ any kind of cash flow we get into just

29:13 ↗ keeping them keeping the unit's going

29:16 ↗ we've just been a long time developing a

29:19 ↗ lot of building requirements basically

29:22 ↗ for the central area do you have to

29:25 ↗ abide by any of those or is your

29:29 ↗ understanding that your are special yeah

29:33 ↗ we are special yes the design guidelines

29:41 ↗ that are prescriptive applied to this

29:44 ↗ project so we have to come in and look

29:46 ↗ at those are sums that we have either we

29:49 ↗ don't feel are are clear or haven't been

29:52 ↗ tested so we will be looking at that and

29:54 ↗ coming back to the city with those that

29:55 ↗ we feel need some you know greater

29:58 ↗ review or looking at so and I've

29:59 ↗ identified a few those that that don't

30:02 ↗ work for mixed-use housing you know wood

30:05 ↗ frame construction so those are those

30:08 ↗ will be to be determined so and I think

30:10 ↗ the council when they passed it they

30:11 ↗ identified a period of time it's what

30:13 ↗ they want to have those tested to find

30:15 ↗ out if there needs to be any updates so

30:17 ↗ that they can then incorporate those

30:19 ↗ into a plan that will kind of stand

30:21 ↗ stand the test of time to say that that

30:26 ↗ discussion will also happen during the

30:27 ↗ development agreement proceedings so it

30:29 ↗ won't just be something that happens you

30:31 ↗ know in in my office right so there will

30:33 ↗ be out we'll be presenting it to Council

30:34 ↗ or in your office I wanted to say

30:38 ↗ something about the project that's

30:39 ↗ really unique and first of all this is

30:43 ↗ one project there is a because of the

30:46 ↗ tax credits we end up having kind of

30:48 ↗ what looks like a you know one of the

30:50 ↗ buildings on top of the parking will be

30:53 ↗ owned by the Housing Authority and it's

30:54 ↗ required to do that way because of the

30:56 ↗ tax credits and then our entity will own

31:00 ↗ the other one but what's really unique

31:02 ↗ about is we want this to act as one

31:04 ↗ community and we want the residents of

31:08 ↗ this whole thing whole project to feel

31:10 ↗ like they're part of a single community

31:11 ↗ so we're going to have shared amenities

31:14 ↗ so instead of having two fitness rooms

31:16 ↗ we're going to have one larger one that

31:17 ↗ are shared by all the residents grab one

31:19 ↗ front door in one package room and and a

31:23 ↗ community kitchen so the amenities

31:24 ↗ instead of having they'll split and

31:26 ↗ creating two separate communities we

31:27 ↗ want this to feel like one so we want

31:30 ↗ the buildings to look the same you know

31:32 ↗ we want a lot of elements to be the same

31:34 ↗ so that you don't have the separation

31:37 ↗ that might otherwise occur typically

31:38 ↗ with affordable housing compared to a

31:40 ↗ market rate project then that has never

31:42 ↗ been done in our area Puget Sound and

31:45 ↗ the state of Washington it's rarely done

31:47 ↗ in the country so it's something we're

31:50 ↗ really trying to set a different kind of

31:52 ↗ project a different kind of community

31:53 ↗ that really integrates all of the people

31:56 ↗ together without having the you know

31:59 ↗ more of a separation yes yes yes so I'll

32:07 ↗ just mention so the Opportunity Center

32:10 ↗ so this is a term I used before part of

32:13 ↗ the when we did the RFP we said these

32:15 ↗ are the things that we're looking at

32:17 ↗ wanting to have be part of the

32:20 ↗ development so making sure there's

32:22 ↗ affordable housing we also requiring a

32:25 ↗ what's a quarter-acre public plaza so

32:27 ↗ it's a plaza that will be owned and

32:28 ↗ maintained by the developers but it was

32:30 ↗ open to the public and then there was a

32:34 ↗ 10,000 square foot commercial space

32:36 ↗ called the opportunity center and our

32:38 ↗ idea again was to expand human services

32:41 ↗ that are available to the community so I

32:43 ↗ just want to give you a quick update

32:44 ↗ this is still again not anywhere near

32:46 ↗ complete but we did an RFP to nonprofits

32:51 ↗ at the end of 2017 the office of

32:54 ↗ sustainability actually is leading this

32:57 ↗ effort based on the community needs

32:59 ↗ assessment that was completed last year

33:01 ↗ and my sure if you guys have were aware

33:03 ↗ of that work and our intent is to

33:07 ↗ identify and move forward with a letter

33:10 ↗ of interest or intent with nonprofits by

33:14 ↗ mid-year so that could be medical it

33:18 ↗ could be employment services it could be

33:20 ↗ additional counseling services but this

33:22 ↗ is again another public benefit that's

33:25 ↗ going to come out of the project and

33:27 ↗ help our nonprofit community and our

33:29 ↗ broader community so it's not just

33:31 ↗ services for who's living at the project

33:33 ↗ prefer people throughout the community

33:35 ↗ and then we talked a little bit about

33:39 ↗ the funding so it just gives you a quick

33:41 ↗ synopsis of it's a conflict if anybody

33:44 ↗ says development it's really complicated

33:46 ↗ when you add affordable housing is even

33:48 ↗ more complicated and this is in the

33:50 ↗ order of magnitude so I know that the

33:51 ↗ there's a lot of people at the city who

33:53 ↗ feel like we're investing

33:55 ↗ lot and we are for this project but the

33:58 ↗ reality is the the risk that these two

34:02 ↗ developers are taking and the money

34:03 ↗ going out and borrowing or actually the

34:05 ↗ heavy load of how to make this project

34:07 ↗ happen our city wave fees are about two

34:11 ↗ to three million our arch contribution

34:13 ↗ as the thing is about two million and

34:16 ↗ our M FTE and I'll show you some one

34:18 ↗ detail with that kind of still add up to

34:21 ↗ be less than all these these resources

34:23 ↗ individually so and so the M FTE a pilot

34:29 ↗ project M FTE multifamily tax assumption

34:31 ↗ this is a tool that many other cities in

34:33 ↗ this in the state use that actually

34:36 ↗ we're actually doing a little

34:38 ↗ differently so the private developer

34:42 ↗ gets the opportunity to have twelve

34:44 ↗ years of no property taxes on their

34:48 ↗ residential piece of the property so the

34:50 ↗ land still gets tax property tax the

34:52 ↗ commercial space still gets tax property

34:54 ↗ tax but the residential piece in

34:56 ↗ exchange for that they have to offer

34:58 ↗ affordable housing and so this is what

35:01 ↗ we're as far as what it's been passed

35:02 ↗ for the pilot project so they're gonna

35:04 ↗ do

35:05 ↗ sixty percent 80 percent ami units the

35:09 ↗ we added a little additional on so in

35:12 ↗ some places it's just for the twelve

35:14 ↗ years that you have to provide this

35:15 ↗ affordable housing but we are requiring

35:17 ↗ it for the life of the project so after

35:19 ↗ the twelve years when they have to start

35:20 ↗ paying property tax on the full building

35:23 ↗ that those units will still remain

35:25 ↗ affordable okay so that's something that

35:27 ↗ we think is a great addition to the

35:29 ↗ community and people think oh my gosh

35:31 ↗ we're giving away a lot of money of our

35:34 ↗ tax dollars the reality is right now the

35:36 ↗ first column is what currently the city

35:40 ↗ and other jurisdictions receive so that

35:42 ↗ property is currently paying into

35:45 ↗ property taxes throughout the whole

35:46 ↗ county forty three thousand dollars a

35:49 ↗ year the city receives five thousand

35:51 ↗ dollars just under five thousand dollars

35:52 ↗ does that make sense

35:54 ↗ in general cuz there's multiple so then

35:57 ↗ I mentioned during during this property

36:00 ↗ tax exemption the commercial spaces have

36:03 ↗ to pay property tax the land has to pay

36:05 ↗ property taxes we anticipate that the

36:09 ↗ city's portion of that property taxes

36:11 ↗ for those twelve years will be over

36:13 ↗ eight thousand dollars so we're actually

36:15 ↗ getting more because the property is

36:16 ↗ worth more there's been investment

36:18 ↗ there's no commercial the commercial

36:19 ↗ pieces that are they're also worth more

36:21 ↗ than what's currently there and then

36:23 ↗ once the exemption ends which is the

36:26 ↗ third column that is the anticipated

36:28 ↗ again these are in 2017 sixteen dollars

36:31 ↗ and you know thing we can't guarantee

36:33 ↗ what the assessment rates are good or

36:34 ↗ assessments are gonna be but looking at

36:36 ↗ numbers today to give you a quick idea

36:38 ↗ the city itself would then receive each

36:41 ↗ year eighty seven thousand dollars in

36:42 ↗ property taxes for it from this property

36:45 ↗ so it is not a we're not going to be

36:48 ↗ losing like currently we're receiving a

36:50 ↗ hundred thousand dollars from this

36:51 ↗ property we're not we're receiving less

36:53 ↗ than five we're not we're actually

36:55 ↗ anticipating to receive more property

36:57 ↗ taxes because the improvements that are

36:59 ↗ being made the value of the whole parcel

37:01 ↗ will be going up and that balances out

37:04 ↗ now there is an opportunity cost of not

37:05 ↗ receiving that for the twelve years but

37:07 ↗ but again having the opportunity to get

37:09 ↗ the affordable housing is where the

37:12 ↗ value it comes in the question word

37:15 ↗ paying out four million dollars and in

37:17 ↗ thirteen years we're gonna get eighty

37:18 ↗ seven thousand back we're not paying

37:20 ↗ this is what this is private property

37:22 ↗ what that is valued at that current

37:25 ↗ parcel is four million dollars that

37:28 ↗ CenturyLink it's not a city okay so what

37:31 ↗ is oh you're saying four million from

37:34 ↗ before that what is the impact to the

37:37 ↗ city's finances will receive more when

37:41 ↗ they are done with the project and will

37:43 ↗ we receive even more after the project

37:44 ↗ exemption goes away

37:46 ↗ Jenna find me there's one benefit you're

37:49 ↗ not factoring in and that is that when a

37:51 ↗ development of this nature happens it

37:53 ↗ raises the property values of all the

37:55 ↗ properties around it and they end up

37:57 ↗ paying more taxes so you're not

37:59 ↗ factoring that in your work this is a

38:01 ↗ very simple quick analysis but thank you

38:04 ↗ yes I mean it changes it changes the

38:06 ↗ whole tax base so the way what is it

38:08 ↗ when do you think we'd break even occur

38:12 ↗ Moscow what's what's the financial

38:14 ↗ impact

38:15 ↗ we break even as a city yes we get we

38:19 ↗ got a hundred and seventy-six units of

38:22 ↗ affordable housing so how do you value

38:23 ↗ that I guess we get a public park we

38:27 ↗ have a public plaza that's available to

38:28 ↗ the park we get 10,000 square feet of so

38:30 ↗ I so you have to measure all those

38:32 ↗ things so I think we get it we get a

38:35 ↗ project we want in the central Issaquah

38:37 ↗ area I think all those things I mean

38:40 ↗ it's hard to quantify having a truck

38:44 ↗ parking facility next to a Transit

38:46 ↗ Center being replaced you know now with

38:48 ↗ affordable housing people living in our

38:51 ↗ urban core all those things so I hear

38:54 ↗ all that but my question is financially

38:56 ↗ just looking at the finances so we're

38:58 ↗ paying out X number of dollars okay

39:06 ↗ we're waiving fees with less tax we're

39:09 ↗ waiving fees which which we do for any

39:13 ↗ affordable housing project we are not

39:16 ↗ collecting and then we're collecting

39:18 ↗ more property tax okay I heard four

39:21 ↗ million and I thought that's what we're

39:22 ↗ paying okay and then so really quickly

39:27 ↗ we're gonna we have to to mo use because

39:29 ↗ again because it's a complex project so

39:31 ↗ there's the actually moving Century Link

39:34 ↗ off of their site and onto city owns

39:37 ↗ parcel currently and then the actual

39:40 ↗ building of the Tod site so there are

39:41 ↗ two mo use again non-binding that

39:43 ↗ currently exists they will be the basis

39:45 ↗ for moving forward for the development

39:47 ↗ agreements and that will happen in the

39:48 ↗ next next two quarters and so that will

39:50 ↗ be something again that will be in front

39:52 ↗ of Council in front of land and show our

39:54 ↗ committee so we'll encourage you to kind

39:57 ↗ of keep up on that so community meeting

40:00 ↗ again we're anticipating what we are

40:02 ↗ shooting for the end of February we'll

40:04 ↗ look at to the items that we be looking

40:06 ↗ at it's not only but will present some

40:08 ↗ more you know some general information

40:09 ↗ to the community but also talk about the

40:11 ↗ plaza and the mid-block crossing which

40:13 ↗ is basically going to connect the

40:15 ↗ Transit Center so as you know the in the

40:18 ↗ central so-call area they're talking

40:19 ↗ about smaller blocks so they're more

40:21 ↗ walkable so that's what this project

40:22 ↗ does is taking that larger parcel and

40:25 ↗ actually creating mid-block crossings

40:27 ↗ that people can

40:28 ↗ walk through without having goes around

40:31 ↗ the whole block the development

40:32 ↗ agreements moving forward and then the

40:34 ↗ developers will this year next and you

40:38 ↗ know start design continuing design and

40:40 ↗ permitting and then start construction

40:41 ↗ so it's a general overview again there's

40:45 ↗ lots of details that are going to this

40:48 ↗ but we hope that helps better understand

40:50 ↗ the overall project as anything been

40:53 ↗ discussed about I know parking is a

40:56 ↗ constraint obviously being able to use

40:59 ↗ the parking garage that's right next

41:01 ↗ door for kind of overnight parking or

41:04 ↗ that kind of thing when it's at its

41:05 ↗ lowest volume for transit is there any

41:08 ↗ kind of synergy there yeah so I'm

41:10 ↗ actually we are look looking we're gonna

41:12 ↗ have a conversation sound transit the

41:14 ↗ Transit Center during the day as you

41:15 ↗ know is fall so but we do own the

41:19 ↗ overflow parking that's shared parking

41:21 ↗ across the street so we're actually

41:22 ↗ looking at how we can better utilize

41:23 ↗ that making sure that if there is

41:26 ↗ additional needs during the day that

41:27 ↗ that can be met there but definitely

41:30 ↗ that I think the advantage is I think

41:32 ↗ I'm not sure if if overnight parking is

41:34 ↗ currently allowed and Transit Center I

41:36 ↗ think the person mentioned that it

41:38 ↗ wasn't yeah usually is not allowed

41:41 ↗ overnight but that's something we

41:42 ↗ actually have a call in to our Sound

41:44 ↗ Transit folks we've and actually met

41:46 ↗ with them early on because they actually

41:47 ↗ that Road that's in between the site and

41:50 ↗ the trend Center is their private road

41:52 ↗ and so kind of making sure they're aware

41:54 ↗ you know kind of what's going on so well

41:56 ↗ definitely those conversations and see

41:57 ↗ if we can better utilize that so

42:09 ↗ so we're gonna move right along the keys

42:14 ↗ just sleep and I think you have some

42:22 ↗ dates to discuss good evening

42:30 ↗ planning policy Commission next on our

42:36 ↗ agenda

42:46 ↗ I went deep on the design on this one

42:50 ↗ I've got some extra hard copies does

42:54 ↗ anybody want a hard copy of not a bat I

43:02 ↗ think so

43:08 ↗ so we got I'm taking us all back to

43:12 ↗ December and we we kind of dialed up a

43:18 ↗ draft of this to the council committee

43:21 ↗ and and the general consensus was send

43:24 ↗ it back to timing policy Commission and

43:26 ↗ the task force in the public get some

43:28 ↗ more input and then bring it back and

43:32 ↗ the hope was we'd be bringing it back by

43:36 ↗ you know by sometime soon and getting it

43:39 ↗ through the council by April that was

43:41 ↗ that was the goal and I heard somebody

43:43 ↗ at the table say it's we do that to

43:45 ↗ meetings I'm not sure who that was but

43:47 ↗ that was somebody at the table so all

43:51 ↗ I'm doing is kind of a reality check and

43:53 ↗ you know we're you know it's it seems

43:56 ↗ like we just started 2018 but we're

43:58 ↗ already you are here so it's the 25th

44:04 ↗ what we what we heard earlier from the

44:06 ↗ park director was we've kind of dialed

44:10 ↗ up a couple meetings in February to talk

44:13 ↗ about the green necklace and the green

44:16 ↗ network and the green thing and on the

44:20 ↗ first which I was going to put on here

44:23 ↗ and apparently got distracted we're

44:26 ↗ redoing small-cell so so you guys have a

44:30 ↗ meeting the first the 8th the 22nd and

44:33 ↗ right now we tentatively had scheduled

44:37 ↗ the 28th the end of the month for for

44:40 ↗ wrapping up the vision so we could move

44:42 ↗ on with some other things I'm trying to

44:48 ↗ kind of gauge the progress we've made so

44:51 ↗ far I'm still in chapter one and knowing

44:55 ↗ that we haven't even started talking

44:56 ↗ about the neighborhood yet and I'm

44:59 ↗ worried that we're not going to get to

45:01 ↗ the place we want to be by the end of

45:04 ↗ February and so I'm looking for you guys

45:07 ↗ to help me problem-solve

45:10 ↗ our progress to this point and you know

45:16 ↗ if I'm here every night anyway but I

45:22 ↗ don't know that you guys want to be here

45:23 ↗ every night so either one we need a lot

45:27 ↗ more meetings or two we need to maybe

45:31 ↗ move things along the homework in

45:36 ↗ between the meetings I think you know I

45:40 ↗ know that some feel like the green

45:45 ↗ necklace getting resolved on the green

45:47 ↗ necklace is super important I think it

45:50 ↗ is but I'm trying to figure out how we

45:53 ↗ get to a goal line and whether that goal

45:56 ↗ lines in February or you know are we

45:59 ↗ spilling into March

46:01 ↗ you know if anybody's saying we're

46:02 ↗ spilling into April I'm gonna say I

46:04 ↗ think we need to be done before then so

46:06 ↗ this is before we kind of dive headfirst

46:09 ↗ into this tonight I just kind of wanted

46:12 ↗ to talk about schedule and process and

46:16 ↗ you know I don't want anybody thinking

46:19 ↗ we rush this because that's not what I'm

46:22 ↗ trying to do here but I'm also trying to

46:24 ↗ get us to move a little bit more

46:27 ↗ efficiently you had one of your

46:29 ↗ commission members and I won't mention

46:31 ↗ names sent an email saying that he was

46:36 ↗ discouraged and felt like we were down

46:38 ↗ to wordsmithing and that will never get

46:40 ↗ consensus on wordsmithing because you

46:43 ↗ know as much as we all have our favorite

46:45 ↗ words we all don't have the same

46:47 ↗ favorite words and so you know I want us

46:51 ↗ to stay at a level where we're actually

46:53 ↗ moving the needle and if we get to the

46:55 ↗ point where we're just wordsmithing

46:57 ↗ email me I'm happy to go through

47:00 ↗ everybody's words Connie knows this I

47:03 ↗ pick maybe one out of four of hers

47:06 ↗ baby so you know so but it's an easier

47:11 ↗ way to do it I think I mean if you guys

47:12 ↗ trust that we can get down to the actual

47:15 ↗ picking of words now there's some things

47:17 ↗ that you guys that need to ring true so

47:22 ↗ just looking sorry just looking at this

47:25 ↗ schedule and I knew what was coming and

47:29 ↗ so that's why I said to the park board

47:31 ↗ that we would have a four-hour meeting I

47:34 ↗ mean I really think that we can do the

47:38 ↗ the network the green network in one

47:40 ↗ meeting if we have some information

47:43 ↗ ahead of time it's not going to be

47:46 ↗ complete it's always going to be changed

47:48 ↗ but at least it'll give us some sense

47:50 ↗ better than this the circles that we had

47:53 ↗ before I'm more interested in going

47:57 ↗ through this tonight and then at least

48:00 ↗ taking the 22nd or some day to go back

48:03 ↗ and look at what we've committed to in

48:07 ↗ the way of design standards and whatever

48:10 ↗ and go over it quickly so that we know

48:14 ↗ that it works in the vision because when

48:19 ↗ you do that first and then you get into

48:20 ↗ the vision maybe it doesn't connect or

48:22 ↗ maybe with some other input we can have

48:25 ↗ some better ideas maybe we did it wrong

48:28 ↗ maybe because this is you know this is

48:30 ↗ going to be bit it and we have to make

48:33 ↗ sure that it we're right along though so

48:35 ↗ does anybody have any other comments is

48:38 ↗ that work but my only other comment is

48:40 ↗ it would be great to I think I think it

48:43 ↗ could be effective to break it off kind

48:45 ↗ of in smaller pieces dedicated each

48:48 ↗ meeting so we all come in we know what

48:50 ↗ our goal is to talk about okay we're

48:52 ↗ going to get through this topic and then

48:55 ↗ and we set a goal for being done on that

48:58 ↗ date and we have a review period and we

49:00 ↗ say yay or nay to all those components

49:05 ↗ that we've worked towards it all depends

49:08 ↗ on how long it takes us to do what we're

49:10 ↗ going to do but tonight we are only

49:12 ↗ going to look at these four issues and

49:16 ↗ what I want to do is go through them

49:19 ↗ very quickly

49:22 ↗ not necessarily wordsmithing but to make

49:26 ↗ sure that what it implies is not causing

49:33 ↗ trouble for future development in our

49:36 ↗ from what we actually want so you know I

49:40 ↗ just like to go through them I'm an I'm

49:42 ↗ a retired teacher and when I look at

49:45 ↗ this it all starts differently and I

49:47 ↗ have a hard time reading it but the city

49:49 ↗ can do the word smoothing on that but

49:52 ↗ that's all we're gonna do tonight and I

49:54 ↗ think that's going to take us a while to

49:55 ↗ get through that so what I want

49:58 ↗ eet's to do I know he gave us a little

50:01 ↗ bit of a input where it started and how

50:04 ↗ we got to where we are but we made some

50:08 ↗ commitments the last meeting of what we

50:11 ↗ wanted to do how we wanted it designed

50:14 ↗ and you were going to bring back to us

50:16 ↗ exactly what we decided on and I don't

50:21 ↗ see that so I would like to see that you

50:25 ↗ know you did a little bit here but I

50:26 ↗ think we had made some other comments

50:29 ↗ and restriction on the beginning of what

50:34 ↗ we wanted to see

50:35 ↗ but right now you're looking at me like

50:38 ↗ I'm crazy I know you're suggesting I did

50:42 ↗ you asked me to start doing this tonight

50:45 ↗ so Carrie can i clarify I'm used to

50:49 ↗ visions being aspirational things that

50:51 ↗ you work toward but I've also heard that

50:53 ↗ there are certain people that want to

50:54 ↗ try to codify the visions that makes a

50:57 ↗ huge difference for me in terms of the

50:59 ↗ level of detail that I would be diving

51:01 ↗ into if they're truly aspirational then

51:04 ↗ this should be a much easier simpler

51:06 ↗ exercise but if there's going to be code

51:08 ↗ that's gonna follow up to dictate the

51:11 ↗ vision and only the vision and then not

51:13 ↗ allow a progress toward the vision that

51:17 ↗ is a whole nother deal and that will

51:19 ↗ take a lot of meetings in my book but

51:21 ↗ that's not what we're gonna do tonight

51:22 ↗ good and I agree it should be

51:27 ↗ aspirational and sometimes we put too

51:31 ↗ much into the aspirational part of it so

51:33 ↗ I want to be careful when you go through

51:35 ↗ it so I know that we have a piece of

51:38 ↗ paper here where it starts and there is

51:41 ↗ a the first paragraph I'm not sure why

51:45 ↗ it's there why are we looking at this

51:47 ↗ particular so this so this part here at

51:51 ↗ the beginning was to help you guys this

51:55 ↗ is the directions so this is so what I

51:58 ↗ wanted you guys to understand because I

52:01 ↗ think you guys and I'm not going to be

52:04 ↗ critical but I think you guys keep

52:06 ↗ forgetting there's a whole plan that

52:08 ↗ this piece that we're talking about one

52:10 ↗ little chapter slides in to a whole

52:13 ↗ other plan and you guys kept trying to

52:15 ↗ pull the whole rest of the plan into

52:17 ↗ this chapter because and so what I gave

52:20 ↗ you for note number one is this is just

52:23 ↗ pages 15 through 22 the rest of the plan

52:26 ↗ is staying the way it is and and that

52:28 ↗ was that was a reminder for you guys to

52:30 ↗ keep you focused no number two following

52:34 ↗ adoption of the visions we will clean up

52:37 ↗ the rest of the plan so for example if

52:39 ↗ we decide it's no longer the green

52:41 ↗ necklace but the green slime I don't

52:44 ↗ know screen something else we'll have to

52:46 ↗ go back through the plan

52:48 ↗ and actually change that nomenclature to

52:50 ↗ make it consistent we will do that we

52:52 ↗ don't need to worry about that through

52:54 ↗ this exercise and then the third thing

52:56 ↗ and this was Vicki asked for this to be

52:58 ↗ kind of brought back forward so I am

53:00 ↗ listening to you I think that we had a

53:05 ↗ section of code revision that was doing

53:09 ↗ what Kerry alluded to earlier because I

53:13 ↗ actually think you guys are the the

53:16 ↗ direction from both this group and from

53:19 ↗ Landon Shore was the visions are too

53:23 ↗ loose we're not getting what we want

53:25 ↗ they need to be we need to account we

53:29 ↗ need we need they need to be more

53:30 ↗ predictable and so what this section of

53:34 ↗ code does and so this section of code 1

53:38 ↗ 1 C is already in the IMC chapter 1819 a

53:43 ↗ which is central Issaquah and we

53:46 ↗ basically added some language at the end

53:49 ↗ of this section that says and shall

53:53 ↗ comply with the developer obligations

53:55 ↗ identified in the then that needs to

53:57 ↗ change into neighborhood visions all

53:59 ↗ right so so that is the tool that from a

54:03 ↗ legal standpoint would allow us to say

54:07 ↗ so when we get down to the neighborhood

54:08 ↗ level and we talk about East Lake

54:13 ↗ neighborhood and it says as a developer

54:16 ↗ you shall do this we now as staff even

54:20 ↗ though it's in the visions and not in

54:21 ↗ code we can say because of this this

54:24 ↗ draws that vision into code and says you

54:28 ↗ have to do that it's in the visions you

54:30 ↗ have to do it but shouldn't there be

54:33 ↗ some ability to have a developer work

54:37 ↗ around

54:39 ↗ and strive to comply but not shall

54:44 ↗ comply it's kind of for me and they have

54:54 ↗ to you know according to that sentence

54:56 ↗ they have to do everything that is in

54:59 ↗ there they can't

55:01 ↗ yes so so if it says you know if your if

55:05 ↗ your project is and we this just

55:09 ↗ happened we had a meeting even though

55:13 ↗ we're still in a moratorium we still we

55:15 ↗ have meetings that are informational

55:17 ↗ with the property owner whose property

55:19 ↗ was adjacent to a Creek and he was

55:22 ↗ suggesting a parking lot next to the

55:25 ↗ creek and we said okay it's likely

55:30 ↗ depending on what comes out of all this

55:32 ↗ that that's not something you're gonna

55:34 ↗ be able to do because what it says in

55:37 ↗ the neighborhoods is you shall have a

55:39 ↗ positive relationship to the creek I'm

55:42 ↗ making up words because we're not there

55:43 ↗ and I don't want to bring it up so

55:45 ↗ positive relationship to the creek or

55:47 ↗ some words like that and the words are

55:49 ↗ important and we'll get down to the

55:51 ↗ words but it it but a parking lot or the

55:54 ↗ back of a building is not a positive

55:56 ↗ relationship to a natural open space

55:58 ↗ amenity and so so having a positive

56:01 ↗ relationship to an app natural open

56:04 ↗ space amenity doesn't say you have to

56:06 ↗ have your front door on it maybe you

56:08 ↗ have a section of the building has a has

56:11 ↗ a patio that opens up to it maybe

56:13 ↗ there's a trail that you put from you

56:16 ↗ know your project you know along the

56:18 ↗ edge of it there's probably a number of

56:20 ↗ different ways so this is more like a

56:22 ↗ guideline like and I don't want to use

56:25 ↗ that word because I don't know that

56:26 ↗ everybody understands how they're used

56:28 ↗ but it's like a it's a it's a guideline

56:30 ↗ but there's it's a it's a performance

56:33 ↗ measure that you have to me not that you

56:36 ↗ shall try to try to meet that you have

56:38 ↗ to meet but there's maybe a number of

56:40 ↗ different ways that you can get there

56:43 ↗ right it doesn't say you have to do X it

56:46 ↗ says you

56:47 ↗ have to meet the intent of doing X and

56:49 ↗ maybe there's three or four five or six

56:51 ↗ or seven different ways that you can

56:52 ↗ achieve that so it makes it predictable

56:56 ↗ in how you treat your property but

56:59 ↗ there's different ways that you can

57:01 ↗ satisfy that so it does give some

57:04 ↗ flexibility but it's not to the point

57:06 ↗ where it says you the city you know you

57:09 ↗ shall try or you I mean some of those

57:12 ↗ words were in the previous version and

57:15 ↗ that's what I heard y'all didn't want

57:19 ↗ you wanted it to be more predictable you

57:21 ↗ wanted it to be I want to know what

57:23 ↗ that's gonna look like when it gets

57:25 ↗ built

57:25 ↗ well that's prescriptive that's

57:29 ↗ satisfying performance measures I think

57:32 ↗ it's very different than just we want

57:36 ↗ this to look like this so sorry that was

57:39 ↗ a lot of words so I think this gets back

57:45 ↗ to Carrie's point though because this is

57:46 ↗ almost like codifying it anyway and and

57:49 ↗ our concern is that the visions are too

57:53 ↗ prescriptive in nature and it's actually

57:55 ↗ going to hurt business development in

57:58 ↗ the future and again this might get back

58:00 ↗ to all the wordsmith things that's been

58:02 ↗ going on but I think there should be a

58:06 ↗ little room for creativeness in the

58:08 ↗ process so that is if I could continue

58:11 ↗ to have a unique look and feel to it

58:14 ↗ that that we all enjoy okay it sounds

58:19 ↗ like that's what Keith said and sorry I

58:28 ↗ have to learn another document because

58:29 ↗ the one I have doesn't have it

58:36 ↗ Mike OS version ninety-nine just kidding

58:43 ↗ actually no that's not the right one and

58:46 ↗ that's a problem one okay no if I just

58:50 ↗ use the example that you had of the when

58:55 ↗ I can't remember the good relationship

58:56 ↗ with the nature I think that that's it's

59:02 ↗ very different than most code I think if

59:06 ↗ we really don't want a parking lot right

59:07 ↗ on the Creek then maybe that needs to be

59:10 ↗ specified in code language but to say

59:14 ↗ positive relationship I think that

59:15 ↗ people that's that's so subjective and

59:18 ↗ there are a lot of very subjective words

59:20 ↗ celebrate for example where I think that

59:23 ↗ it's it's so subjective that it it's

59:26 ↗ very unlike code I think it could be

59:28 ↗ very confusing to people that are

59:30 ↗ developers or you could interpret it as

59:32 ↗ well the parking lot is is a positive

59:34 ↗ relationship it's a use of the space I

59:36 ↗ mean there's there's so much

59:38 ↗ subjectivity and so much of this and I

59:40 ↗ think that's okay for to be aspirational

59:43 ↗ and to be a vision but it doesn't it

59:45 ↗ doesn't seem so it's making it

59:48 ↗ prescriptive in terms of codifying it

59:50 ↗ but then the actual words are in spurt

59:55 ↗ or are leaving so much leeway that I

59:57 ↗ don't think it so would be very we

1:00:00 ↗ haven't spent any time on these words

1:00:03 ↗ since December so I need I need to be

1:00:06 ↗ clear because that so that comment and

1:00:08 ↗ I'm not gonna be cranky if I'll be a

1:00:10 ↗ little bit cranky

1:00:11 ↗ so that comment about celebrating

1:00:13 ↗ mountains to sound was identified before

1:00:15 ↗ and I agreed with it in December and I'm

1:00:17 ↗ gonna agree with it now it needs to be

1:00:19 ↗ changed so don't use it as example right

1:00:22 ↗ so so go to one point one provide parks

1:00:26 ↗ and trails that create social

1:00:27 ↗ opportunities it's that clear is that

1:00:29 ↗ ambiguous it's clear I think it's clear

1:00:32 ↗ and I can use that with a developer to

1:00:35 ↗ say okay how are you how are you

1:00:36 ↗ satisfying one point one right and

1:00:39 ↗ they're gonna say okay I've got a trail

1:00:41 ↗ that leads from my open space through my

1:00:44 ↗ project to the street great

1:00:46 ↗ does it say how wide is it does it say

1:00:48 ↗ where it goes no but it it tells you

1:00:51 ↗ what we want to have happen all right

1:00:53 ↗ and so if we can achieve that level of

1:00:56 ↗ clarity with each one of these I think

1:00:58 ↗ so in my world that's called a design

1:01:01 ↗ guideline it's a it's a performance

1:01:03 ↗ measure that you need to meet but

1:01:04 ↗ there's a lot of different ways that you

1:01:05 ↗ can do it it doesn't say where on your

1:01:07 ↗ property it is it doesn't say how big it

1:01:09 ↗ is that's more of a standard this is

1:01:12 ↗ more of a performance expectation that

1:01:16 ↗ we have on the property and there's

1:01:17 ↗ different ways to get there so if we can

1:01:20 ↗ get to a point and we're still stuck on

1:01:23 ↗ chapter 1 we haven't even gotten into

1:01:24 ↗ the neighborhood yet if we can get to

1:01:25 ↗ the point where we're actually working

1:01:27 ↗ on clarifying some of the intent of

1:01:29 ↗ these like you may say keys I don't

1:01:31 ↗ understand to point to celebrate does

1:01:33 ↗ that mean have a party what does that

1:01:34 ↗ mean right and if we get to the point

1:01:36 ↗ where we can actually clean that up and

1:01:39 ↗ make that so everybody in this room

1:01:40 ↗ understands what that means I think

1:01:42 ↗ that's what we want to do and that keeps

1:01:46 ↗ me from having to do a bunch of code

1:01:48 ↗ amendments later to then turn this into

1:01:51 ↗ code because I'd rather not do that that

1:01:53 ↗ seems like a whole lot of work that I'm

1:01:57 ↗ gonna have to hire somebody to do

1:01:58 ↗ because I don't have anybody to do it so

1:01:59 ↗ if we stay on track of basically turning

1:02:04 ↗ this into a set of design guidelines for

1:02:06 ↗ each neighborhood I think that's a great

1:02:08 ↗ outcome I think that's consistent with

1:02:13 ↗ how other cities do things we have

1:02:15 ↗ design guidelines in the villages and I

1:02:20 ↗ think that it would keep us from having

1:02:22 ↗ to adopt a bunch more code but it has to

1:02:25 ↗ be clear and this is not clear I will be

1:02:28 ↗ the first one to say some of this is

1:02:30 ↗ clear and some of this is not clear and

1:02:31 ↗ we haven't even gone back in based on

1:02:34 ↗ some of the revisions to the first piece

1:02:37 ↗ of this which was kind of changing

1:02:39 ↗ around the guiding principles where this

1:02:42 ↗ might get a whole lot better

1:02:44 ↗ I just haven't put any timing yet

1:02:46 ↗ because we haven't gotten past

1:02:47 ↗ definitely so this was all based

1:02:50 ↗ so if we're comfortable with the Lord

1:02:52 ↗ shall we can move on and get into what

1:02:55 ↗ we're actually gonna talk about tonight

1:02:57 ↗ you like shale yes okay so I think I

1:03:03 ↗ think it changes though the whole

1:03:04 ↗ context of the rest of the document if

1:03:07 ↗ we have it be in if we have it be

1:03:11 ↗ actually code or not right so this has

1:03:15 ↗ been that this all will be code all the

1:03:18 ↗ developer sections will be code I mean

1:03:22 ↗ it would be equivalent to code in that

1:03:24 ↗ it will be something that you as a

1:03:27 ↗ developer will need to comply with as

1:03:31 ↗ opposed to I mean so the prophet saw I'm

1:03:34 ↗ just going to go ahead and let's take us

1:03:35 ↗ backwards okay because sometimes it's

1:03:37 ↗ great to go backwards and say yeah no we

1:03:38 ↗ don't want that so with Atlas you know

1:03:42 ↗ where that vision was for mixed-use you

1:03:46 ↗ know we had a vision for we want this

1:03:48 ↗ area to be we want Gillman to be

1:03:49 ↗ mixed-use their comment was when asked

1:03:54 ↗ why didn't you put retail on the ground

1:03:56 ↗ floor if you wanted it you should have

1:03:59 ↗ made us do that okay and so that's I

1:04:02 ↗ think what we're responding to so the

1:04:04 ↗ pendulum swing in the other direction

1:04:05 ↗ and we're being much more heavy-handed

1:04:08 ↗ because I think the I think the

1:04:12 ↗ community and the council didn't like

1:04:14 ↗ the results from the light hand so

1:04:18 ↗ that's my take and and so maybe we're

1:04:21 ↗ having this conversation because we all

1:04:23 ↗ need refocusing on clarity of why we're

1:04:25 ↗ doing what we're doing but I think the

1:04:28 ↗ expectation was we want a more

1:04:30 ↗ predictable we want the developers to

1:04:32 ↗ build what the community actually

1:04:34 ↗ expects to get in these locations I

1:04:36 ↗ think I just say you know I I think

1:04:39 ↗ generally you're right I like the

1:04:40 ↗ guidelines piece and flexibility to

1:04:42 ↗ figure out different ways to get there

1:04:44 ↗ because whenever you have a development

1:04:45 ↗ project usually the first time out

1:04:48 ↗ you're always over budget and you're

1:04:49 ↗ trying to figure out you know the gives

1:04:50 ↗ and the takes and what's more important

1:04:52 ↗ for this and you can't do it all you

1:04:55 ↗ have to make choices in order to make

1:04:57 ↗ things work and so

1:04:59 ↗ if we mandate too much without having

1:05:03 ↗ economic data for what it's costing for

1:05:06 ↗ the things that you're asking for

1:05:08 ↗ I mean environmental stuff forget that

1:05:09 ↗ but but building finishes types

1:05:12 ↗ amenities structure parking if you don't

1:05:15 ↗ know what the economic equation of that

1:05:17 ↗ is you'll get to a point where you'll

1:05:19 ↗ require all this stuff and nobody can

1:05:21 ↗ meet the requirement because the land

1:05:23 ↗ values here aren't high enough to

1:05:24 ↗ justify the rents that you would need to

1:05:26 ↗ get to build the building and then

1:05:28 ↗ nothing happens so I think my concern is

1:05:34 ↗ that it's hard for me I think to see the

1:05:37 ↗ because the version we have right now

1:05:39 ↗ has has a lot of developer obligations I

1:05:42 ↗ realized that they will be changed over

1:05:44 ↗ time as we go through the discussions

1:05:45 ↗ but right now and I also use it not a

1:05:49 ↗ good example but I think that there are

1:05:51 ↗ a lot of words that could be interpreted

1:05:53 ↗ a lot of ways and I think it could might

1:05:57 ↗ my interpretation is that it could be

1:05:59 ↗ confusing for developers that are used

1:06:00 ↗ to seeing code and then having this all

1:06:04 ↗ be read as code but but so does every

1:06:09 ↗ developer have to do everything in the

1:06:11 ↗ list if they're in that neighborhood and

1:06:12 ↗ it seems like my concern is that it

1:06:15 ↗ seems like there's a long way between

1:06:17 ↗ what we have now and that but there

1:06:19 ↗ isn't a long way from what we have now

1:06:20 ↗ and it being a vision so so I actually

1:06:27 ↗ was trying to do what John suggested

1:06:29 ↗ earlier which was you know let's let's

1:06:32 ↗ make bite-sized pieces of this thing

1:06:35 ↗ because it's the bill the whole thing is

1:06:36 ↗ too much to try and comprehend at once

1:06:39 ↗ and I think Viki you're you're going

1:06:42 ↗ into that end piece and looking at and

1:06:44 ↗ going okay if I if I don't like the end

1:06:46 ↗ piece then this piece isn't working for

1:06:48 ↗ me because I'm looking at how it plays

1:06:51 ↗ out and I don't like how it plays out

1:06:53 ↗ but the problem is we haven't gone in

1:06:55 ↗ and done anything with the neighborhood

1:06:57 ↗ yet since because I'm trying to get you

1:07:00 ↗ guys past this first intro part and so

1:07:03 ↗ all I'm saying is if you can have faith

1:07:07 ↗ and say that we can fix the back part

1:07:11 ↗ because we haven't even started yet can

1:07:13 ↗ you read this part with with it with

1:07:15 ↗ that in mind that if the back parts

1:07:18 ↗ clear I can read this part and will it

1:07:20 ↗ work for you that's I think what I'm

1:07:24 ↗ asking and if you say no you think we're

1:07:26 ↗ off-track then we need I think we need

1:07:28 ↗ to have a bigger conversation with the

1:07:30 ↗ group and see if everybody else thinks

1:07:31 ↗ we're off-track - no I took it's it's

1:07:34 ↗ okay can I can I just give my

1:07:37 ↗ perspective of what I think we're trying

1:07:39 ↗ to do because I've sat and watched these

1:07:43 ↗ things go through the melon and be built

1:07:46 ↗ and so I perceive this as creating a

1:07:50 ↗ lens by which staff and to some extent

1:07:55 ↗ the community can work with the

1:07:58 ↗ developers to better gain what we

1:08:01 ↗ envision it's not like the developers

1:08:03 ↗ alone read everything and say well we

1:08:07 ↗ have to do this and this and this they

1:08:08 ↗ sit down with staff but staff has only

1:08:12 ↗ been going to code they haven't been

1:08:14 ↗ going and looking at the visions and and

1:08:16 ↗ telling the developers well we're trying

1:08:18 ↗ to create these visions and so you have

1:08:21 ↗ to do it this way that's been missing

1:08:23 ↗ and so what I'm hoping is this becomes

1:08:26 ↗ the tool where every developer who comes

1:08:29 ↗ in they look at the neighborhood and

1:08:31 ↗ staff says hey this is what's supposed

1:08:33 ↗ to be in that neighborhood so let's see

1:08:35 ↗ how we can we can succeed in that and

1:08:38 ↗ make it great and everybody's go in the

1:08:41 ↗ same direction instead of duking it out

1:08:43 ↗ and then when they build it we hate it

1:08:44 ↗ so I don't know if that helps or not

1:08:49 ↗ because I don't think any of you who

1:08:51 ↗ have been through the development

1:08:53 ↗ pathway to understand how the tool might

1:08:56 ↗ be used so that might be one question is

1:08:59 ↗ who's going to use it and how maybe that

1:09:01 ↗ helmet

1:09:02 ↗ I had heard that this was a tool that

1:09:07 ↗ Development Commission and staff need to

1:09:10 ↗ be able to use to interface with a

1:09:14 ↗ developer and say this is what we've

1:09:17 ↗ agreed to and that what they had before

1:09:19 ↗ there were things that yeah they didn't

1:09:21 ↗ like but it wasn't strong enough or it

1:09:24 ↗ wasn't it was either too specific or not

1:09:26 ↗ specific enough that there was no yeah

1:09:30 ↗ you're right you know you had to kind of

1:09:33 ↗ concede things to to the developer and

1:09:36 ↗ say you're right it's not there we got

1:09:39 ↗ we don't have a leg to stand on

1:09:41 ↗ we have to let it go through right so

1:09:43 ↗ our goal here is correct me if I'm wrong

1:09:46 ↗ is to enhance this tool so that it does

1:09:50 ↗ what we've always wanted it to do if I

1:09:54 ↗ could jump into Martin my experience

1:09:56 ↗ with the develop Commission the plan

1:09:58 ↗ it's sort of like the standards gave us

1:10:03 ↗ the box and it said you can build this

1:10:06 ↗ box this height this dimension this

1:10:08 ↗ coverage and so forth here's the box you

1:10:10 ↗ can do we didn't really have design

1:10:13 ↗ guidelines that could say here's really

1:10:15 ↗ what that box needs to include or look

1:10:18 ↗ like and so forth the design guidelines

1:10:20 ↗ I think are giving this that tool to say

1:10:23 ↗ you can now mold that box and say here's

1:10:26 ↗ the things the box has to have in it

1:10:28 ↗ then I think the idea with this with the

1:10:31 ↗ shall comply then gives us a tool for a

1:10:34 ↗ bigger picture to say okay there's the

1:10:36 ↗ box there's what we think it should look

1:10:38 ↗ like and here's the other things we want

1:10:41 ↗ to have happen in this neighborhood that

1:10:43 ↗ you should be part of maybe not

1:10:45 ↗ necessarily everything but at least it

1:10:47 ↗ gives us that tool to work with the

1:10:51 ↗ developers on this project so I I think

1:10:53 ↗ it's a good idea I think it works to say

1:10:56 ↗ shall and

1:10:57 ↗ and that flexibility I think we can work

1:10:59 ↗ with okay so the next couple pages are

1:11:05 ↗ things that I think we're aware of I

1:11:08 ↗ don't think we have to go into that and

1:11:10 ↗ so I'd like to to make one comment on

1:11:13 ↗ page five yes it's happening so I can't

1:11:27 ↗ with that

1:11:28 ↗ that's the centralist quad vision which

1:11:31 ↗ is what we were supposed to do homework

1:11:33 ↗ for which we sent you stupid she asked

1:11:36 ↗ me to do it last so so we can do that

1:11:40 ↗ whatever you want to the central school

1:11:42 ↗ vision was I mean we had the homework

1:11:44 ↗ all right we're gonna we're gonna do the

1:11:45 ↗ vision this isn't the vision though this

1:11:47 ↗ is I mean the vision is gonna be that is

1:11:50 ↗ the vision

1:11:50 ↗ central is the core vision vision

1:11:52 ↗ statement that's right that is the

1:11:54 ↗ vision so that's one of that's one of

1:11:56 ↗ six visions we can talk about before the

1:11:59 ↗ nights over you want to do it last or

1:12:02 ↗ you want doing that visions can be kind

1:12:08 ↗ of pictures pictures are grade I the one

1:12:18 ↗ I passed out doesn't have pictures my

1:12:20 ↗ apologies

1:12:21 ↗ I lost Kristin's paper you got pictures

1:12:26 ↗ that's awesome I'm super excited about

1:12:29 ↗ that it's it on the website is it is it

1:12:33 ↗ on the engine

1:12:34 ↗ I would say on this one you're missing

1:12:38 ↗ something about the community staying

1:12:40 ↗ safe it's it feels safe right now and

1:12:43 ↗ that's a really important part of

1:12:44 ↗ livability that isn't mentioned in this

1:12:47 ↗ document

1:12:56 ↗ so can I ask as a first step back how do

1:12:59 ↗ we feel about this layout versus where

1:13:03 ↗ it was before did we feel like this is

1:13:06 ↗ moving in the right direction or not I

1:13:09 ↗ think so absolutely I just it would be

1:13:13 ↗ good to provide positive feedback no I

1:13:23 ↗ the pictures the color it's more

1:13:26 ↗ professional

1:13:27 ↗ I like safety I don't know if you guys

1:13:30 ↗ have you I also like how it links to the

1:13:32 ↗ other policy chapters so if anybody goes

1:13:35 ↗ back to the central plan as a whole

1:13:37 ↗ there's this whole section at the end

1:13:40 ↗ that talks about the policies that are

1:13:44 ↗ around these specific areas like urban

1:13:46 ↗ community and so linking those with the

1:13:49 ↗ letters there and saying this applies to

1:13:51 ↗ this policy I think is a good connective

1:13:54 ↗ point so going up to the orange

1:13:58 ↗ beginning do you want to add safety in

1:14:02 ↗ there is that a B I just put it in a

1:14:05 ↗ bullet yeah in the door okay so I want

1:14:09 ↗ to go through these really quick I want

1:14:11 ↗ to go through each one of them whether

1:14:13 ↗ they stay within they go

1:14:15 ↗ if they need some more smithy or

1:14:17 ↗ something

1:14:18 ↗ are there words that cause you

1:14:21 ↗ consternation surfers just can I add one

1:14:23 ↗ thing first

1:14:24 ↗ no yes oh thank you so they had some

1:14:29 ↗ conversations about so we talked about

1:14:33 ↗ description definition something for

1:14:36 ↗ each of these and so you know where it

1:14:38 ↗ ended up is it's kind of it's a bunch of

1:14:42 ↗ words it's not it's not a sentence it's

1:14:44 ↗ not because because as soon as you start

1:14:46 ↗ turning it into sentences then it needs

1:14:48 ↗ to want to flow and this this for me was

1:14:52 ↗ a better way to describe these it's just

1:14:54 ↗ it's all it's kind of like a little word

1:14:56 ↗ old to go with it so if you guys if you

1:15:00 ↗ guys yeah so if you guys are okay with

1:15:04 ↗ that that's just like that's a construct

1:15:06 ↗ piece I want to make sure you were

1:15:07 ↗ diving all right now I'm ready for any

1:15:13 ↗ existing we do thumbs-up thumbs-down and

1:15:18 ↗ then if there's any thumbs down

1:15:19 ↗ commentary just to get us through it

1:15:25 ↗ yeah okay or just say the ones you don't

1:15:26 ↗ know on well for your time on the list

1:15:38 ↗ okay so further down so for the downs

1:15:41 ↗ that was the two of you Wow

1:15:45 ↗ for me it's I get the idea and it's more

1:15:49 ↗ about harmonizing than seamlessly

1:15:51 ↗ blending as a developer if I have to

1:15:53 ↗ seamlessly blend does that mean I'm

1:15:55 ↗ dictated by the materials that are

1:15:56 ↗ currently existing in the neighborhood

1:15:58 ↗ do I have to somehow work with the

1:16:00 ↗ existing size of the product okay you

1:16:02 ↗ get yes I do yeah I don't know if

1:16:05 ↗ existing is the right word so much as

1:16:08 ↗ well I guess here it's not historic but

1:16:11 ↗ there's certain properties that

1:16:13 ↗ certainly are existing and do fit and

1:16:16 ↗ sometimes existing and doesn't fit okay

1:16:19 ↗ we want to integrate seamlessly with the

1:16:21 ↗ things that we don't want to keep

1:16:24 ↗ good play I certainly wouldn't put it as

1:16:34 ↗ the first thing in the list that has

1:16:39 ↗ nothing to do with it yeah okay

1:16:43 ↗ so will you it down I didn't see you

1:16:45 ↗ even vote there no yeah you were down

1:16:47 ↗ okay so you scratch it so there were

1:16:54 ↗ probably more votes to like than scratch

1:16:56 ↗ so so why why Ron so I like Kerry's

1:17:00 ↗ suggestion for an edit so Harmonized

1:17:04 ↗ over seamlessly blend so part of it is

1:17:06 ↗ you know if it's livable I mean so okay

1:17:09 ↗ so let's say that you have your single

1:17:13 ↗ storey bungalow and next to you is

1:17:16 ↗ constructed a 10-story ultra-modern

1:17:20 ↗ apartment building is that still livable

1:17:23 ↗ for you or has things have things

1:17:25 ↗ somewhat changed that's not I look at

1:17:30 ↗ livable as a verb structure so that's

1:17:37 ↗ more about the development what it looks

1:17:40 ↗ like but the livable site is you know

1:17:43 ↗ you're talking about vibrant

1:17:44 ↗ neighborhoods so vibrance accessibility

1:17:47 ↗ sustainable diverse doesn't say anything

1:17:51 ↗ about structures it's also just your

1:17:54 ↗ living situation is this something a

1:17:56 ↗ place that you still feel is home and

1:18:00 ↗ all of that so I think Keith's example

1:18:04 ↗ was a good one and I think if we do

1:18:08 ↗ harmonize or integrate does any great

1:18:10 ↗ work

1:18:11 ↗ I don't know integrate appears

1:18:13 ↗ as a top bullet and to the other one so

1:18:16 ↗ it's almost negative it's late yeah

1:18:19 ↗ adapt to those not bring it forward

1:18:23 ↗ removing it because architectural fit is

1:18:25 ↗ in another one is indistinctive I

1:18:28 ↗ believe and I think that it's kind of

1:18:30 ↗ covered in other ways the sentiment but

1:18:35 ↗ that's my

1:18:37 ↗ okay so let's show yeah so let's show

1:18:42 ↗ quick hands or thumbs up for taking it

1:18:45 ↗ out one two three four

1:18:49 ↗ take it out all right we're taking it

1:18:51 ↗ out next

1:18:54 ↗ I'm good with shortening diversity of

1:18:58 ↗ housing supporting an inclusive City

1:19:01 ↗ with affordable high quality and

1:19:03 ↗ sustainable housing stuff I'd shorten

1:19:07 ↗ that this diversity of housing

1:19:09 ↗ supporting an inclusive city that kind

1:19:12 ↗ of says it all think between the this

1:19:24 ↗ bullet and the fourth bullet they're

1:19:25 ↗ duplicates are they yeah we could kind

1:19:27 ↗ of combine those somehow the old fourth

1:19:31 ↗ bullet it's a fee I'm counting it I'm

1:19:34 ↗ like wait what that's about jobs

1:19:35 ↗ yeah one two three four okay mister

1:19:39 ↗ alright I'll look to will look to blend

1:19:42 ↗ those two together into one area or

1:19:46 ↗ harmonize them together

1:19:48 ↗ [Laughter]

1:19:52 ↗ provide housing to meet the city's

1:19:53 ↗ growth needs for the next 20 years won't

1:19:57 ↗ the market take care of that yeah

1:19:58 ↗ and what growth needs is that so the

1:20:05 ↗ plan the plan has gross numbers in

1:20:08 ↗ declaring that and so applying I mean

1:20:19 ↗ the target goes through so this isn't

1:20:23 ↗ obviously aspirational this is nuts and

1:20:26 ↗ bolt II I don't know I mean I'm I'm okay

1:20:34 ↗ taking this one out if you guys want

1:20:35 ↗ this one out all right I'm seeing nods

1:20:37 ↗ not gonna ask for a vote

1:20:39 ↗ all right beside of that I think it

1:20:42 ↗ would be we do need to provide housing

1:20:46 ↗ and this seems like the places we want

1:20:48 ↗ to provide it right so yeah but that's

1:20:51 ↗ so this gets back to that's part of the

1:20:53 ↗ plan and we're in the visions and let's

1:20:57 ↗ leave that out and leave it in the plan

1:20:58 ↗ it's still in the plan just because

1:21:00 ↗ we're taking it out doesn't mean we're

1:21:01 ↗ not doing it yeah so let's go down to a

1:21:06 ↗ pact retain and grow a diverse community

1:21:08 ↗ workforce I like it okay sweet promote

1:21:16 ↗ job creation minimize job loss and

1:21:18 ↗ support the growth of new and existing

1:21:19 ↗ local businesses I would be a little

1:21:22 ↗ careful with the minimize job loss

1:21:24 ↗ because you only have a certain amount

1:21:26 ↗ of control over that it's more about

1:21:28 ↗ attracting the new jobs and evolving

1:21:31 ↗ them because there will be some jobs

1:21:32 ↗ that are so what does this mean okay so

1:21:35 ↗ now

1:21:39 ↗ hood so in right now in Pickering and

1:21:44 ↗ Gillman we're saying I'm in my job so if

1:21:49 ↗ you're gonna take out so this was part

1:21:52 ↗ of the pants over atlas is there were

1:21:55 ↗ jobs there and they went away and if we

1:21:59 ↗ don't have something about minimizing

1:22:01 ↗ job loss you know the concern that I've

1:22:04 ↗ heard from a number of people is we

1:22:08 ↗ could end up with all straight

1:22:10 ↗ apartments going in and residential

1:22:19 ↗ comes before the jobs come and you if

1:22:22 ↗ you don't have enough critical mass of

1:22:23 ↗ that you're not gonna be able to attract

1:22:25 ↗ the jobs and there's a lot of jobs that

1:22:28 ↗ may not be direct that may be related to

1:22:30 ↗ building so atlas for example has

1:22:32 ↗ landscapers and janitorial and and jobs

1:22:35 ↗ that you mean you know more than just

1:22:37 ↗ the property manager sitting in the

1:22:39 ↗ building so and then all the people that

1:22:41 ↗ are in there might have someone cleaning

1:22:43 ↗ their unit you know you just gotta be

1:22:45 ↗ careful with this one the thing that

1:22:47 ↗ we're saying though is we're looking to

1:22:49 ↗ value what is existing there that may be

1:22:53 ↗ providing jobs rather than tearing it

1:22:56 ↗ down and replacing it with new housing

1:22:58 ↗ and I think that is a vision that we

1:23:02 ↗ have for this central area

1:23:06 ↗ how about maintain jobs

1:23:11 ↗ what minimized job losses so Keith I was

1:23:27 ↗ actually thinking we should have almost

1:23:29 ↗ two separate suction to add two sections

1:23:32 ↗ economic and leisure lifestyle and under

1:23:36 ↗ economic would be talking about the jobs

1:23:39 ↗ like target job creation whose median

1:23:41 ↗ income would equal equal to are better

1:23:44 ↗ than the county's median income ranking

1:23:51 ↗ to developers well and the other thing

1:23:55 ↗ is parts of your town are gonna change

1:23:56 ↗ so Costco is planning to add 5,000 jobs

1:23:59 ↗ but these people are going to need a

1:24:01 ↗ place to live and they may need to knock

1:24:03 ↗ down a small business in order to build

1:24:05 ↗ the apartments for them to live in I

1:24:07 ↗ mean ultimately they're not necessarily

1:24:09 ↗ all going to be in the same place but

1:24:11 ↗ you've got allow for that flexibility

1:24:13 ↗ because what are you saying you can't

1:24:15 ↗ knock down a building because they're

1:24:16 ↗ you know people that work there to build

1:24:19 ↗ something new that will get you to that

1:24:21 ↗ next level well this is a vision this

1:24:24 ↗ isn't code so I think it still leads

1:24:28 ↗ toward our goal for this area is to

1:24:31 ↗ maintain jobs and growth so I'm gonna

1:24:34 ↗ jump down to the section we don't like

1:24:36 ↗ yet let's see what we said about jobs

1:24:42 ↗ and I think the are the other argument

1:24:45 ↗ is we're only at 10% of our jobs target

1:24:46 ↗ apparently so but could it not be under

1:24:54 ↗ sustainable and having a balance of

1:24:57 ↗ always having a better some

1:25:01 ↗ proportionate balance of housing and

1:25:04 ↗ jobs whether it varies and that could be

1:25:08 ↗ unlivable okay because really that feels

1:25:13 ↗ more like economic vitality when you're

1:25:15 ↗ talking about livable and making sure

1:25:17 ↗ that you have a lot of jobs

1:25:19 ↗ livable to me is just more like I have a

1:25:22 ↗ job I like right that I can get to

1:25:25 ↗ easily and that's that's great

1:25:28 ↗ livability the jobs related to economic

1:25:34 ↗ vitality makes a lot of sense to me

1:25:36 ↗ related to land use is a little weird

1:25:41 ↗ yeah except for as a policy thing if

1:25:43 ↗ we're trying to get people to be able to

1:25:45 ↗ live and work in the same town then we

1:25:47 ↗ need to maintain a certain balance with

1:25:49 ↗ a variety of jobs to a variety of

1:25:52 ↗ housing with an awesome transportation

1:25:54 ↗ system right so you're trying to get

1:25:55 ↗ this livability trifecta but I think I'm

1:26:02 ↗ looking at those trying to figure out if

1:26:04 ↗ you can remove three and get one bullet

1:26:07 ↗ point but I feel sort of wordsmithing

1:26:11 ↗ will ya do that so that's really my

1:26:13 ↗ concept so I guess so maybe I was being

1:26:15 ↗ too sensitive so I'm gonna I'm gonna

1:26:18 ↗ pull you guys so the job loss piece so

1:26:23 ↗ this came out of Ron's mouth I'm gonna

1:26:25 ↗ be specific and it came out of Mary

1:26:27 ↗ Lou's mouth and I think the question is

1:26:31 ↗ is should we be concerned at all about

1:26:34 ↗ losing jobs in central as it redevelops

1:26:38 ↗ because if so I think we need to be

1:26:40 ↗ specific about that if we're going to

1:26:43 ↗ though focus on I'm gonna just say job

1:26:48 ↗ harmony because my brains so tired

1:26:50 ↗ whatever something good jobs well-paying

1:26:52 ↗ jobs I mean so we've got we've got the

1:26:54 ↗ diversity of workforce above that right

1:26:56 ↗ so that's the bullet I think everybody

1:26:58 ↗ was fine with that we want jobs at

1:27:00 ↗ different spectrums so this one was

1:27:04 ↗ really about more growing jobs so the

1:27:08 ↗ the bullet before was about jobs across

1:27:10 ↗ all many income levels right you're

1:27:13 ↗ gonna have service jobs we'd like

1:27:15 ↗ corporate jobs we want jobs to match

1:27:18 ↗ diversity of housing stock this one was

1:27:22 ↗ about growing jobs we want more jobs

1:27:25 ↗ you know is your economic development

1:27:27 ↗ director I want more jobs in central

1:27:30 ↗ Issaquah the thing is and maybe maybe

1:27:34 ↗ the thing that kind of threw you guys

1:27:37 ↗ off the track is this minimize job loss

1:27:40 ↗ because if you read the rest of it it

1:27:42 ↗ probably would have flown through and

1:27:43 ↗ you guys all want to give it a thumbs up

1:27:44 ↗ so the question is is do we need to

1:27:47 ↗ actually say minimizing job loss does

1:27:49 ↗ that is that so there are two things

1:27:52 ↗ when we took the tour around you

1:27:54 ↗ mentioned that were possible areas where

1:27:58 ↗ we've got workforce that are going to be

1:28:00 ↗ replaced with housing yeah one is BMC

1:28:03 ↗ and then the other one was up there in

1:28:06 ↗ that East Lake area where you've got

1:28:09 ↗ office Park that's going to be replaced

1:28:11 ↗ with apartments or townhomes and so I

1:28:15 ↗ think those are two key examples of

1:28:17 ↗ areas where because the market values

1:28:21 ↗ housing more right now we need to push

1:28:24 ↗ back on that a little bit and say no we

1:28:26 ↗ value our current stock of jobs and we

1:28:29 ↗ don't want to lose those to housing so

1:28:31 ↗ you can take some so that's so the space

1:28:34 ↗ labs building is a great one and and if

1:28:37 ↗ the market says the highest and best use

1:28:39 ↗ for that is pure residential you're

1:28:41 ↗ going to take out a three-story office

1:28:44 ↗ building and put in just apartments now

1:28:48 ↗ maybe in the long scheme the Vaughn game

1:28:50 ↗ maybe that all balances out and that's

1:28:52 ↗ fine and we shouldn't worry about the

1:28:54 ↗ point by point change in land uses or

1:28:58 ↗ maybe we should and so this is that

1:29:00 ↗ conversation where we either put

1:29:02 ↗ something in here about this that gives

1:29:04 ↗ the city the ability to tell someone so

1:29:06 ↗ so what you could then tell a particular

1:29:09 ↗ home builder is you can go ahead and

1:29:12 ↗ take out that three-story office

1:29:15 ↗ building but instead of putting in just

1:29:18 ↗ apartments you have to put in ground

1:29:20 ↗ floor non-residential space and

1:29:23 ↗ residential above so there's at least

1:29:25 ↗ some jobs coming back you know so this

1:29:28 ↗ doesn't say no job loss yes

1:29:31 ↗ it says minimized so I think it gives

1:29:34 ↗ the city the ability to say okay you're

1:29:37 ↗ gonna take that out you know and there's

1:29:39 ↗ some underutilized office buildings

1:29:41 ↗ across from the State Park which is more

1:29:44 ↗ kind of where I'm thinking and you know

1:29:47 ↗ and it's like okay somebody could come

1:29:48 ↗ in and say I'm gonna buy those two-story

1:29:50 ↗ office buildings and put in apartments

1:29:53 ↗ there's nothing to do with minimizing

1:29:55 ↗ job loss because if you're going to take

1:29:57 ↗ away a office park that has on our jobs

1:30:02 ↗ but over here you're going to create in

1:30:05 ↗ an opportunity for 200 jobs it's a net

1:30:08 ↗ positive so you're not minimizing jobs

1:30:10 ↗ you're growing jobs is just you're

1:30:11 ↗ moving them from one section to another

1:30:13 ↗ section so where does that 200 come from

1:30:20 ↗ sure the job pool is maintained or

1:30:23 ↗ something like that so your job loss

1:30:25 ↗ sounds like you're fired

1:30:26 ↗ and that's a tough one for anybody to

1:30:29 ↗ read oh I'm sorry I didn't mean to point

1:30:34 ↗ but maintain the job pool or some port

1:30:37 ↗ or do your best Donald Trump invitation

1:30:40 ↗ [Laughter]

1:30:46 ↗ sorry

1:30:48 ↗ ya know we've all been doing this too

1:30:49 ↗ long all right so so yes can you explain

1:30:53 ↗ how many of my time so I think that

1:30:56 ↗ support existing local business covers a

1:30:59 ↗ lot of the support the growth of

1:31:01 ↗ existing local business so that's

1:31:03 ↗ existing local jobs for an existing

1:31:05 ↗ local business so I think it's kind of

1:31:07 ↗ covered with that unless I'm missing

1:31:10 ↗ something

1:31:12 ↗ I like I've had just read remote job

1:31:17 ↗ creation and support the growth of new

1:31:19 ↗ and existing local business does that

1:31:20 ↗ does that work does that okay I'm their

1:31:23 ↗ kind of girl I do it okay fosters social

1:31:31 ↗ interaction and community what about the

1:31:34 ↗ introverts I was like I'm not that

1:31:44 ↗ wordsmith but foster a community

1:31:45 ↗ engagement maybe or something like that

1:31:47 ↗ so you so you can come to our February

1:31:51 ↗ first meeting and promote small cells so

1:31:54 ↗ we can all stay inside okay this one's

1:32:03 ↗ so maintain our high quality of life

1:32:07 ↗ okay

1:32:09 ↗ provide missing transportation

1:32:11 ↗ facilities don't get that okay missing

1:32:15 ↗ sidewalks missing bike lanes stub

1:32:19 ↗ streets that need to be connecting the

1:32:21 ↗ grid complete our transportation that's

1:32:23 ↗ part connect yeah that should be

1:32:24 ↗ unconnected Oh

1:32:31 ↗ okay that can move that yeah so I think

1:32:35 ↗ that when we were talking about some of

1:32:37 ↗ these before a lot about the

1:32:38 ↗ transportation can go in different

1:32:40 ↗ buckets and I think we talked about that

1:32:41 ↗ being okay so I for me it's okay that

1:32:44 ↗ it's there but I also I don't like the

1:32:45 ↗ word missing I think you know provide

1:32:48 ↗ transportation container connected but

1:32:51 ↗ then then it's really in connected but

1:32:53 ↗ yeah I think the livable component of

1:32:56 ↗ that would be some I don't know what the

1:32:58 ↗ words are but make sure that

1:33:02 ↗ transportation options are immediately

1:33:04 ↗ available you know within the vicinity

1:33:06 ↗ of these residences right like people

1:33:10 ↗ just need to be able to quickly get

1:33:11 ↗ where they're going

1:33:15 ↗ mabel transportations yeah accessible or

1:33:18 ↗ last-mile like it that's the liveable

1:33:22 ↗ portion right I just say it's easy to

1:33:25 ↗ get around

1:33:26 ↗ okay I'll work on that one anything it I

1:33:30 ↗ mean I think it needs to be I think what

1:33:32 ↗ we're all saying is that for it to be

1:33:33 ↗ livable you know if I if I if I live a

1:33:37 ↗ block away from a grocery store but I

1:33:40 ↗ can't get there because it's unsafe did

1:33:44 ↗ your safety you know that that doesn't

1:33:46 ↗ work that's unlivable but if if there's

1:33:49 ↗ ways for me to get there that's

1:33:51 ↗ convenient and functional so I'll work

1:33:54 ↗ on that piece okay next is increase the

1:33:58 ↗ number and variety of things to do make

1:34:02 ↗ a bowling alley oh yes foster community

1:34:06 ↗ engagement and volunteerism instead of

1:34:09 ↗ just a number of things to do because

1:34:11 ↗ that's really generic and I think you've

1:34:15 ↗ got some redundancy with the last bullet

1:34:17 ↗ that maybe this somehow those two can be

1:34:19 ↗ integrated so I can with those two so

1:34:25 ↗ run volunteers say years again austere

1:34:29 ↗ community engagement and volunteerism

1:34:32 ↗ that's further up with the foster social

1:34:34 ↗ interaction

1:34:36 ↗ I thought I think that's sustainability

1:34:38 ↗ yeah hold your thought for

1:34:42 ↗ sustainability

1:34:43 ↗ I do where's our parks supposed to being

1:34:46 ↗ livable or do they yeah because I really

1:34:50 ↗ feel like that is a big part of living

1:34:55 ↗ yeah I agree with that

1:34:59 ↗ somehow making sure that parks are are

1:35:02 ↗ close to the places that people live

1:35:04 ↗ okay in either small ways or you know

1:35:11 ↗ that's also part of the whole parks

1:35:14 ↗ discussion right that's the question is

1:35:16 ↗ parks gonna just be an overlay so you

1:35:19 ↗ don't have to mentioned anywhere or

1:35:20 ↗ should it be included it should be

1:35:22 ↗ included everywhere I think a word that

1:35:29 ↗ should find its way into here I think is

1:35:32 ↗ culture no I don't know whether it's I

1:35:36 ↗ think it's in livable mm-hmm it's in

1:35:39 ↗ distinctive cultural opportunities you

1:35:44 ↗ know things like I know we have the

1:35:47 ↗ theater in Old Town or things like that

1:35:50 ↗ would be a good thing to encourage so I

1:35:54 ↗ think we were thinking we the Royal we

1:35:57 ↗ were thinking it was more indistinctive

1:35:59 ↗ because if you look at the description

1:36:01 ↗ in the green my screen looks great so in

1:36:07 ↗ the gray

1:36:08 ↗ I see cultural events up there I see

1:36:11 ↗ history so it might want to squeeze in

1:36:13 ↗ you know as another bullet potentially

1:36:15 ↗ within distinctive so one thing that I

1:36:19 ↗ would think should be in the section

1:36:21 ↗ maybe it belongs somewhere else but I

1:36:23 ↗ think it goes in livable is schools

1:36:25 ↗ unless I'm missing it but there's no I

1:36:27 ↗ don't think there's

1:36:28 ↗ last bullet oh is it the second-to-last

1:36:31 ↗ one ever had school size and we have

1:36:36 ↗ noise you have noise a lot in our

1:36:39 ↗ central Issaquah area and it's really

1:36:41 ↗ hard to live with the noise in the

1:36:43 ↗ central is squat area so I there are

1:36:49 ↗ places I won't go outside comfortably so

1:36:52 ↗ I would say yeah noise and ambient light

1:36:55 ↗ maybe I don't know if there's something

1:36:58 ↗ maybe that's more of a design guideline

1:37:00 ↗ thing but I don't want it to just be

1:37:03 ↗ pretty glowing or I don't know I don't

1:37:06 ↗ want to touch you hear those so what do

1:37:09 ↗ you want to do with them then yeah so

1:37:11 ↗ comfortable if you walk next to i-90

1:37:15 ↗ along Gilman lately urban places are

1:37:22 ↗ usually not quiet that's not true I like

1:37:28 ↗ how you touch it and touch it again so

1:37:31 ↗ I'm looking for majority on two

1:37:34 ↗ suggestions for noise and light yes or

1:37:37 ↗ no I think they're only ideas I don't

1:37:44 ↗ know if they would fit in a vision I

1:37:46 ↗ think there was there is discussion at

1:37:48 ↗ the neighborhood level where it's

1:37:51 ↗ specific needs for sound walls on those

1:37:53 ↗ sorts of things so those are those I

1:37:56 ↗ think are more specific do you think

1:37:59 ↗ it's more specific than holistic yes

1:38:10 ↗ okay I'm flipping the page to gray

1:38:19 ↗ how come Gray's distinctive okay all

1:38:26 ↗ right work on that that's sure I like

1:38:28 ↗ gray is distinctive all right okay first

1:38:31 ↗ one integrate environmental features

1:38:34 ↗ such as creeks lakes and knavish

1:38:36 ↗ wetlands protected open spaces and

1:38:39 ↗ natural views into sustainable

1:38:41 ↗ development projects to ensure the

1:38:42 ↗ unique qualities that make you the class

1:38:44 ↗ specials for future generations are

1:38:47 ↗ retained highlighted is that not already

1:39:00 ↗ written in our architectural stuff

1:39:02 ↗ that's right there I think I stole it

1:39:04 ↗ from somewhere because it's pretty good

1:39:06 ↗ I just like to celebrate the environment

1:39:10 ↗ which I know it celebrate is a rough

1:39:12 ↗ work but but that's really verbose

1:39:19 ↗ all right I'm seeing like it needs work

1:39:23 ↗ a lot it's a lot a lot of words I think

1:39:28 ↗ it should be three bullets yeah okay I

1:39:34 ↗ don't know I think I mean if nothing

1:39:38 ↗ else you could probably get rid of the

1:39:42 ↗ extra unique qualities and make it

1:39:44 ↗ across special for future generations I

1:39:46 ↗ mean isn't that kind of what all this

1:39:47 ↗ does in some ways that might be

1:39:55 ↗ sustainability again yeah okay I I think

1:40:00 ↗ this is a great statement partly

1:40:02 ↗ thinking from people in the public

1:40:03 ↗ reading something like this is like what

1:40:06 ↗ they're looking for

1:40:08 ↗ maybe wordy but it's great oh yeah I

1:40:13 ↗ like the concept like the concept I

1:40:17 ↗ think it is it stands out because it is

1:40:19 ↗ so much longer than the next one it

1:40:22 ↗ could also be maybe two sentences next

1:40:25 ↗ one's going to stay there like that it I

1:40:28 ↗ don't know the next one that's what if

1:40:30 ↗ you change straight into two it could be

1:40:33 ↗ broken into two it ensure the unique

1:40:36 ↗ qualities I think it has sort of a

1:40:38 ↗ natural break there do you think is that

1:40:41 ↗ do you think that's better is to okay I

1:40:43 ↗ can do that okay all right so there's a

1:40:56 ↗ partial thought here in some of these I

1:40:58 ↗ don't know what was going on okay so

1:41:03 ↗ something about existing jobs got

1:41:11 ↗ somewhere else yeah unless unless is a

1:41:16 ↗ spectacular distinctive job is it

1:41:19 ↗ something about the employers that are

1:41:21 ↗ already here are you trying to do that

1:41:23 ↗ for Gillman village I know a good

1:41:28 ↗ sousaphone player I'm just gonna I'm

1:41:35 ↗ just gonna for now draw a line through

1:41:37 ↗ that one and then and then maybe it'll

1:41:42 ↗ come back to me sometime later I don't

1:41:47 ↗ know about the encouraging jobs that

1:41:50 ↗ promote the environments I know that

1:41:55 ↗ when we did the first little thing

1:41:56 ↗ everything

1:41:57 ↗ was saying why don't we have more

1:42:01 ↗ running stores and yeah well you know

1:42:04 ↗ things that you can use and recreate a

1:42:07 ↗ neighborhood that is your what is it IP

1:42:11 ↗ z stuff whatever it is where you have

1:42:13 ↗ your distinctive zones that you create

1:42:15 ↗ within town to give it a sense of place

1:42:17 ↗ so our brand which we haven't gotten off

1:42:21 ↗ the ground yet will likely be focused on

1:42:23 ↗ outdoor recreation yeah okay I know I

1:42:37 ↗ don't know I'm not sure what happened

1:42:40 ↗ here so I like people places okay so

1:42:44 ↗ fitting architecture you know I'll let

1:42:48 ↗ me look at the architectural manual let

1:42:51 ↗ me pull some language out of that I mean

1:42:53 ↗ it's it's about context and so let me

1:42:58 ↗ let me do something with this one

1:42:59 ↗ because I don't know what happened

1:43:02 ↗ frankly I've got two that might be added

1:43:06 ↗ here okay create Green Street scapes

1:43:11 ↗ that are people oriented yeah I forgot

1:43:17 ↗ the other one it's all have to come back

1:43:20 ↗ to I think maybe fitting architectures

1:43:22 ↗ where we talk about integrating with our

1:43:29 ↗ kind of landmark buildings that there's

1:43:33 ↗ also historic is on here

1:43:35 ↗ history respected and fitting

1:43:37 ↗ architecture I think together and

1:43:41 ↗ there's history respected and then the

1:43:43 ↗ last one is respect it's as the longer

1:43:47 ↗ wooden rank the longer one was supposed

1:43:49 ↗ to replace the short one but I forget to

1:43:51 ↗ get rid of the short one so maybe yeah

1:43:56 ↗ maybe combining with architecture in

1:43:58 ↗ that respect history and respect

1:44:00 ↗ the architecture I like flashing

1:44:15 ↗ okay what is local goods and services is

1:44:18 ↗ that about the outdoor brand so I mean

1:44:26 ↗ so local goods

1:44:28 ↗ I mean locally locally produced goods

1:44:31 ↗ [Music]

1:44:32 ↗ you know so the farmers market you could

1:44:35 ↗ say Gillman village you know so there's

1:44:39 ↗ a number of things that lead to a

1:44:43 ↗ distinctive quality about our community

1:44:45 ↗ and so I think I need to unpack that one

1:44:48 ↗ some of these need to be unpacked and my

1:44:50 ↗ apologies I really don't know what

1:44:52 ↗ happened with this so it's intended to

1:44:56 ↗ talk about you know those locally

1:45:01 ↗ produced goods and services are things

1:45:05 ↗ that make your community distinctive or

1:45:07 ↗ they can maybe something about like

1:45:11 ↗ facilitate healthy lifestyle or I like

1:45:20 ↗ what you just said about the local

1:45:21 ↗ services are local goods and services I

1:45:24 ↗ just think that it needs a little more

1:45:26 ↗ it does expansion and so I think what

1:45:31 ↗ happened here is there's a little bit of

1:45:33 ↗ a you know is trying to pick apart and

1:45:36 ↗ move things from one place to another in

1:45:38 ↗ what happened is sometimes I left a

1:45:40 ↗ reminder and then didn't go back and

1:45:42 ↗ like really work it so there's a and I

1:45:45 ↗ hate to go backwards Madame chair so one

1:45:49 ↗ of the things that was in livable that

1:45:51 ↗ might have disappeared and it's somewhat

1:45:55 ↗ wrapped into this one which is local

1:45:57 ↗ goods and services is that ability to

1:46:02 ↗ have those those daily needs

1:46:10 ↗ so the grocery store the pharmacy you

1:46:12 ↗ know being able to have those proximate

1:46:14 ↗ to where you live

1:46:16 ↗ that's a livability piece it needs to go

1:46:18 ↗ back into livability and so I if you

1:46:22 ↗ guys are all nodding I'll put I'll add

1:46:24 ↗ some

1:46:24 ↗ thing in about local goods and services

1:46:27 ↗ in that section as it relates to

1:46:29 ↗ proximity to residences without it

1:46:32 ↗ sounding quite so boring and

1:46:33 ↗ bureaucratic Sookie yes is there a

1:46:36 ↗ reason why we don't have a section on

1:46:39 ↗ economic because it seems like we're

1:46:44 ↗ we're trying to put a lot of economic

1:46:46 ↗ values into these different categories

1:46:49 ↗ and seems like we almost need a category

1:46:54 ↗ of its own

1:46:58 ↗ and then we can you know you can always

1:47:01 ↗ direct back to it but economically by

1:47:14 ↗ what I'm talking about economic has

1:47:16 ↗ actually create a whole nother section

1:47:18 ↗ like you know we've intersections but

1:47:20 ↗ yeah but these are things like

1:47:21 ↗ distinctive and livable their visionary

1:47:25 ↗ words economic doesn't fit in there

1:47:28 ↗ unless you can come up with a different

1:47:30 ↗ word to describe it like vibrant or okay

1:47:36 ↗ well so if you had a section called the

1:47:40 ↗ economic you could say promote gateway

1:47:42 ↗ to the Cascades to strengthen tourism

1:47:44 ↗ because we're not talking about anything

1:47:46 ↗ about tourism improve inner-city

1:47:49 ↗ mobility resources to businesses create

1:47:51 ↗ innovative business parks and mixed use

1:47:53 ↗ areas create opportunities for next

1:47:55 ↗ generation business opportunities

1:47:58 ↗ entertainment food and services they're

1:48:01 ↗ not talking about restaurant like the

1:48:07 ↗ word thrive

1:48:09 ↗ it could be vitality thrive you know

1:48:11 ↗ there's because thriving means everybody

1:48:15 ↗ is doing well yeah but economics is not

1:48:20 ↗ a place where I'm going to live right

1:48:23 ↗ and we're trying to describe a place

1:48:25 ↗ where we want the central is a quad to

1:48:27 ↗ be to to be attractive and a place to

1:48:30 ↗ live so that's I think why the word I

1:48:33 ↗ can

1:48:33 ↗ this isn't the right word but the

1:48:35 ↗ concept might be viable right we're just

1:48:38 ↗ missing that that category that covers

1:48:41 ↗ all those things in this piece

1:48:45 ↗ remember too there is a chapter that's

1:48:47 ↗ called economic vitality that helps to

1:48:49 ↗ address and do these things that are in

1:48:51 ↗ the policies to do these things that are

1:48:54 ↗ in the vision to get those connections

1:48:56 ↗ but some of that also be aspirational

1:48:58 ↗ like I'll actively solicit for new

1:49:02 ↗ businesses in Central as a fall and

1:49:05 ↗ courage others of relocate here improved

1:49:09 ↗ inner city inner city mobility I just

1:49:13 ↗ seems like there's a section missing a

1:49:16 ↗ vitality or whatever you want to call it

1:49:20 ↗ but I just we're sort of a vacuum and

1:49:27 ↗ your Economic Development Manager so I

1:49:30 ↗ think that you'd want this for sure so

1:49:34 ↗ so ok can be visionary there is the

1:49:42 ↗ vision on page 69 of the central

1:49:46 ↗ Issaquah plan that's all about economic

1:49:47 ↗ development gives a vision for economic

1:49:50 ↗ development that has an economic

1:49:51 ↗ vitality goal and certain points to it

1:49:54 ↗ so I think that's covered there and we

1:49:58 ↗ could place the economic things within

1:50:01 ↗ these sections where they best fit I

1:50:06 ↗ think what Ron might be getting at and I

1:50:09 ↗ don't know thinking about it but we've

1:50:12 ↗ got these four sections and there's a

1:50:15 ↗ few bullet points in each that feel like

1:50:17 ↗ they almost don't fit but we want to

1:50:19 ↗ keep them so we're creating a category

1:50:22 ↗ called vibrant or whatever that word is

1:50:26 ↗ capture those ideas in a more clear way

1:50:29 ↗ and still still keep our similar

1:50:33 ↗ structure we don't have to dive into the

1:50:35 ↗ whole

1:50:35 ↗ economic vitality aspects of it but

1:50:38 ↗ these are these are bullets that are

1:50:41 ↗ already in other sections just trying to

1:50:44 ↗ wreak at agura's them is that way you're

1:50:46 ↗ kind of saying yeah I start a discussion

1:50:48 ↗ about what that might look like I just

1:50:52 ↗ feel that there's something missing and

1:50:54 ↗ that's kind of the direction that's

1:50:56 ↗ missing from what we're talking about as

1:50:59 ↗ we're going through these well there's a

1:51:01 ↗ there's a whole chapter on right well

1:51:04 ↗ technically all these are part of the

1:51:06 ↗ vision if you go deep into the document

1:51:09 ↗ also but now we're bringing them high

1:51:12 ↗ and center because these are important

1:51:14 ↗ values these are like the pillars of our

1:51:16 ↗ community the four pillars well are you

1:51:20 ↗ know there should be a fifth one finance

1:51:28 ↗ investment and prosperity and it's a

1:51:35 ↗ collaborative discussion so fun I would

1:51:40 ↗ have to deal it like a deck of cards to

1:51:43 ↗ see how they would all sift out I don't

1:51:46 ↗ think I can do it from memory I mean I

1:51:50 ↗ think that we did we did go over that

1:51:55 ↗ these buckets that there are things that

1:51:59 ↗ can go in multiple buckets but there's

1:52:00 ↗ also you know connect it could be part

1:52:02 ↗ of liveable I think that and there's

1:52:04 ↗ overlap and you could imagine this all

1:52:07 ↗ is sort of a Venn diagram but we wanted

1:52:08 ↗ to break it out and so I guess I I also

1:52:12 ↗ though see this economics is kind of in

1:52:15 ↗ mixed in with all these other parts and

1:52:18 ↗ maybe one option that doesn't involve

1:52:21 ↗ restructuring the whole thing would be

1:52:23 ↗ to just call it out at the bottom you

1:52:26 ↗ know so at liveable call it out as

1:52:28 ↗ as the economic component of liveable it

1:52:31 ↗ would be jobs and supporting local

1:52:35 ↗ businesses and those sorts of economic

1:52:38 ↗ parts of liveable and then whatever we

1:52:42 ↗ want to say about the economics and

1:52:44 ↗ connected and economics and distinctive

1:52:47 ↗ and just more clearly point out that

1:52:50 ↗ this is the economic component of that

1:52:53 ↗ aspect of division that the parentheses

1:52:56 ↗ are doing yes intended so so one of the

1:53:01 ↗ suggestions was to connect each of the

1:53:04 ↗ things within our buckets back to the

1:53:08 ↗ policy chapters so that's what the

1:53:10 ↗ friends are either environment economic

1:53:13 ↗ vitality urban community housing not on

1:53:19 ↗ this page but you could cluster each of

1:53:24 ↗ them and that could be the order right

1:53:26 ↗ somebody probably just said that I I

1:53:30 ↗ think yeah well right so I I think that

1:53:34 ↗ we talked about doing this and the last

1:53:38 ↗ meeting but we didn't see it and so now

1:53:39 ↗ that I see it as parenthesis I don't I

1:53:42 ↗ personally don't think I think that it

1:53:46 ↗ might work better to break it into the

1:53:48 ↗ sections and just have like the economic

1:53:52 ↗ component as I had mentioned and yeah

1:53:56 ↗ heading and then those bullets and then

1:53:58 ↗ the the it's just so it would just be

1:54:12 ↗ taking the parentheses and reorganizing

1:54:15 ↗ by the parentheses basically and then

1:54:17 ↗ not having people look to the header for

1:54:20 ↗ what the parentheses means okay so but

1:54:24 ↗ you're still you're not adding a

1:54:27 ↗ economic thing you're gonna keep all of

1:54:30 ↗ these ideas where they are so why don't

1:54:34 ↗ we go through them we have two more

1:54:38 ↗ sections to do and we've been there for

1:54:40 ↗ two hours already so that's afford like

1:54:43 ↗ to get through tonight unless you have a

1:54:45 ↗ real problem with you know you really

1:54:48 ↗ think that you should separate them I

1:54:50 ↗ like the idea of maybe making those for

1:54:53 ↗ sidebars or whatever but we can always

1:54:56 ↗ do that later so I think I think we're I

1:55:12 ↗ think we're down to just a few more

1:55:16 ↗ indistinctive I think we could do more

1:55:18 ↗ on cultural events and then on space

1:55:21 ↗ making something about creating

1:55:25 ↗ distinctive public spaces I think

1:55:28 ↗ calling that out in there that's one of

1:55:30 ↗ those things that really means

1:55:31 ↗ distinctive to me okay that will be my

1:55:35 ↗ unpacking of people places probably

1:55:36 ↗ because I didn't know what within

1:55:43 ↗ distinctive

1:55:50 ↗ so comes on using a couple things that I

1:55:53 ↗ wanted to throw out here is what about

1:55:56 ↗ identifying and protecting key view

1:55:58 ↗ corridors for distinctive yes so it does

1:56:02 ↗ have that at the beginning in the in the

1:56:05 ↗ first bullet has natural views could be

1:56:08 ↗ called out then recreational amenities

1:56:14 ↗ part of it family friendliness is

1:56:17 ↗ another thing that's really distinctive

1:56:19 ↗ about Issaquah and as other areas for

1:56:21 ↗ urbanized they've lost that and so I

1:56:24 ↗ think it's really important that we try

1:56:26 ↗ to keep that and and the biggest reason

1:56:29 ↗ it's it's gorgeous here and we don't

1:56:35 ↗ maintain it as well as we should so it

1:56:37 ↗ seems like when you go into the central

1:56:39 ↗ is squat area your entrances shouldn't

1:56:41 ↗ just be blackberries and jersey barriers

1:56:44 ↗ and so it seems like the maintenance

1:56:52 ↗ factor beautifully maintained or

1:56:55 ↗ something even if it's an urban

1:56:56 ↗ environment we have to keep it up you

1:56:59 ↗ know beautifully maintained create a

1:57:01 ↗ welcoming yes face for people within an

1:57:04 ↗ urban environment and and this is where

1:57:06 ↗ gateways or entrances might be

1:57:14 ↗ right so that you would know I have

1:57:16 ↗ entered it's a distinctive you and then

1:57:21 ↗ bar does your last component it goes

1:57:22 ↗ with art goes with culture history and

1:57:24 ↗ all that sort of stuff anyone else for

1:57:32 ↗ those images you should include one of

1:57:33 ↗ the art wrappings that we have around

1:57:45 ↗ [Music]

1:57:48 ↗ okay rolling down now we're to some kind

1:57:55 ↗ of weird yellow color there are words in

1:58:00 ↗ the yellow I can read them for you

1:58:03 ↗ transit streets bicycles and walking and

1:58:07 ↗ urban infrastructure

1:58:13 ↗ is bicycles and walking and we just take

1:58:17 ↗ the handout that's relevant palea

1:58:28 ↗ okay and Lindsay thank you for your

1:58:33 ↗ suggestions on the boxes so I'll go back

1:58:35 ↗ and look at yours and see if we'll pull

1:58:39 ↗ some more stuff in so yeah so okay

1:58:43 ↗ number one enhance the integration and

1:58:46 ↗ connectivity of a complete

1:58:47 ↗ transportation system across in between

1:58:50 ↗ modes for residents businesses and

1:58:52 ↗ visitors

1:58:53 ↗ I'd recommend shortening that one but

1:58:55 ↗ adding a word so it would say enhance

1:58:57 ↗ the integration accessibility and

1:58:59 ↗ connectivity of a complete

1:59:00 ↗ transportation system period because all

1:59:05 ↗ the rest is part of a complete

1:59:06 ↗ transportation system huh yeah okay

1:59:11 ↗ [Music]

1:59:12 ↗ recreation because our trails are part

1:59:16 ↗ of our transportation system and being

1:59:18 ↗ connected with our parks and trails and

1:59:22 ↗ everything seems and looking to see okay

1:59:32 ↗ I the trails somewhere okay number two

1:59:37 ↗ improved neighborhood connectivity and

1:59:39 ↗ remove barriers I would take out remove

1:59:43 ↗ barriers because I think all you need is

1:59:45 ↗ improve connectivity you do that by

1:59:47 ↗ removing barriers and making more

1:59:49 ↗ connections right you have to say it

1:59:52 ↗ specific word carry I sort of like

1:59:55 ↗ remove barriers only because I see these

1:59:59 ↗ little teeny tiny five-foot strips that

2:00:02 ↗ for some reason have been there for the

2:00:04 ↗ last thirty years and nobody wants to

2:00:05 ↗ move them and in and they don't even

2:00:08 ↗ think about removing barriers so for me

2:00:10 ↗ that's a tickler because they're

2:00:12 ↗ thinking new sidewalks new streets and

2:00:15 ↗ I'm thinking there's just by foot

2:00:17 ↗ landscaping strip so I sort of like it

2:00:20 ↗ only way I could use as a tool

2:00:28 ↗ everybody's getting quiet have another

2:00:31 ↗ cookie okay okay create safe travel

2:00:38 ↗ routes or it's liking that awesome human

2:00:42 ↗ size the grid Street pattern but it's

2:00:45 ↗ human size it's about here five six

2:00:49 ↗ according to me it's making smaller

2:00:55 ↗ blocks I think we can put some Tran

2:00:58 ↗ decoder on this one oh I think so it's

2:01:02 ↗ used as a verb but I think what we want

2:01:04 ↗ is a human size grid Street pattern

2:01:07 ↗ right but the other thing was I thought

2:01:09 ↗ that I think that the pictures of that

2:01:11 ↗ like like grid I'm just wondering if

2:01:14 ↗ there's a way we could get a better

2:01:16 ↗ picture maybe I can suggest one but a

2:01:17 ↗ picture that sort of shows more what we

2:01:19 ↗ mean in terms of blocks that we want to

2:01:21 ↗ have blocks and connectivity around it I

2:01:26 ↗ have an idea actually I have I have a

2:01:31 ↗ book that has a picture that I think in

2:01:33 ↗ here awesome look it's a very old book

2:01:40 ↗ I'll look into it

2:01:44 ↗ [Music]

2:01:48 ↗ okay write that plan for and support the

2:01:56 ↗ sound transit station I know this is

2:02:00 ↗ under connectivity or connection but

2:02:03 ↗ when you plan for it you want to plan

2:02:05 ↗ for it as a connection it's not just

2:02:07 ↗ enough that it's there so it has the

2:02:10 ↗ opportunity to bridge I 90 in a way that

2:02:12 ↗ can zip back together two sides of

2:02:15 ↗ Issaquah I like high occupancy transit

2:02:38 ↗ because we want we want way better

2:02:41 ↗ transit far before we get to write some

2:02:44 ↗ sort of best teeth situation so I don't

2:02:50 ↗ know if it's another bullet all together

2:02:52 ↗ but we need to work towards something

2:02:55 ↗ much better than we have right now so

2:02:57 ↗ this leaves that out in my mind and that

2:03:03 ↗ plays on something I was going to

2:03:05 ↗ suggest later which was is increased the

2:03:06 ↗ transit services and other

2:03:08 ↗ transportation services to Issaquah

2:03:10 ↗ besides st3 right because I think we're

2:03:13 ↗ gonna be able to transition over to

2:03:15 ↗ high-capacity transit before we get rail

2:03:19 ↗ and we just seem to skip that maneuver

2:03:21 ↗ so it's the pathway toward but so it's

2:03:26 ↗ increased improve existing plan for

2:03:29 ↗ future yes I mean immediately adding

2:03:32 ↗ additional bus routes your circulation

2:03:34 ↗ and I think these are two different

2:03:36 ↗ things

2:03:37 ↗ I mean I think so I agree completely

2:03:39 ↗ with that one we need to continually

2:03:42 ↗ increase our transit routes to add

2:03:45 ↗ ridership I think this one though is to

2:03:50 ↗ get us off high center and actually

2:03:53 ↗ start having a conversation about where

2:03:55 ↗ is the train station

2:03:56 ↗ we integrated in with our community so

2:03:59 ↗ that we can start planning for that

2:04:00 ↗ connectivity and the other pieces that

2:04:04 ↗ we ultimately need so okay

2:04:09 ↗ yes or just just spelling out Sound

2:04:12 ↗ Transit for some reason and Lightroom's

2:04:17 ↗ okay

2:04:23 ↗ okay provide organized and intuitive

2:04:28 ↗ wayfinding okay their science is that

2:04:32 ↗ that means where we wanted to also so

2:04:44 ↗ part of this is feeding into this idea

2:04:46 ↗ that we want to develop that brand and

2:04:49 ↗ develop a wayfinding plan so it's all

2:04:52 ↗ you know and it's it's not just like for

2:04:56 ↗ businesses and neighborhoods but it's

2:04:58 ↗ also for things like the trails you know

2:05:01 ↗ right now whether it's a king county

2:05:03 ↗ trail or a city trail or some other

2:05:05 ↗ trail the trail signage is not all

2:05:08 ↗ consistent and one of the comments that

2:05:11 ↗ were trying to get towards is to kind of

2:05:13 ↗ I'm gonna use that word harmonized

2:05:15 ↗ because it was a really good word and

2:05:16 ↗ now it's stuck in my head is to

2:05:18 ↗ harmonize the signage so that if your

2:05:20 ↗ trail user you know you now you catch in

2:05:23 ↗ your peripheral vision it's like oh wait

2:05:25 ↗ there's a trail sign whether it's King

2:05:27 ↗ County or is it quiet you don't care

2:05:28 ↗ because you're just using the trails

2:05:30 ↗ right so having some consistency so that

2:05:35 ↗ organized piece I think is is trying to

2:05:37 ↗ point us at let's let's be purposeful in

2:05:41 ↗ the signage that we have and maybe that

2:05:44 ↗ means actually doing a signage plan

2:05:47 ↗ I think hiking in Europe where they have

2:05:50 ↗ kind of whole countries have entire sign

2:05:52 ↗ networks that are all the same

2:05:53 ↗ yeah it's genius it's simple ingenious

2:05:57 ↗ same time consistent is that better than

2:06:00 ↗ organized yes I don't know if it is I

2:06:05 ↗ can do that

2:06:09 ↗ yeah and I have to see my office

2:06:12 ↗ organized is something different can I'm

2:06:16 ↗ sorry okay I understand all this but in

2:06:24 ↗ living it

2:06:25 ↗ I just expects that I'm gonna be bored

2:06:29 ↗ out of my ever living mind and when I

2:06:31 ↗ walk around communities that are that I

2:06:35 ↗ that I can get around easily I also have

2:06:38 ↗ fun and I enjoy I enjoy the entire

2:06:45 ↗ system and this is you have to have a

2:06:48 ↗ system it doesn't say you have to have

2:06:50 ↗ an interesting good system just says you

2:06:54 ↗ have to have that so it sort of doesn't

2:06:56 ↗ have any qualitative I'm gonna live here

2:07:00 ↗ and this is gonna be awesome thing it's

2:07:01 ↗ just that wow you're gonna be able to

2:07:03 ↗ get from here to there wear your gray

2:07:05 ↗ flannel suit okay

2:07:08 ↗ branded signage branded lace on it

2:07:13 ↗ embraces the brand of his apart

2:07:21 ↗ right now we don't have that brands

2:07:24 ↗ we're a little cart before the horse

2:07:26 ↗ into well I mean you can have a either a

2:07:30 ↗ sign that looks like it is regular

2:07:32 ↗ street sign or you could have a sign

2:07:33 ↗ that looks like if we say signage looks

2:07:45 ↗ like a street sign and then that's the

2:07:47 ↗ county's point it's boring tractive and

2:08:00 ↗ then that gets us toward that goal

2:08:03 ↗ without specifying that it has to be on

2:08:05 ↗ brand considering we don't really have

2:08:08 ↗ that idea there yet yeah I'm

2:08:14 ↗ wordsmithing thing and I don't know

2:08:15 ↗ about attractive okay I'm not sure about

2:08:20 ↗ so so I don't I don't I don't disagree

2:08:25 ↗ with where you guys are at I think

2:08:28 ↗ though it's more for me and distinctive

2:08:30 ↗ than it is in connectivity so

2:08:32 ↗ connectivity doesn't mean for me fun I

2:08:35 ↗ think the fun piece is more in the

2:08:36 ↗ distinctive part it's in this is what we

2:08:38 ↗ want our community to be we want it

2:08:40 ↗ whether it's a fish or you know outdoor

2:08:44 ↗ tree or whatever so that part of it is

2:08:46 ↗ us that's kind of the sole piece and I

2:08:50 ↗ think this is about we want to make sure

2:08:53 ↗ you can get around and that promotes

2:08:57 ↗ more getting around yeah I'm so done

2:09:03 ↗ this week I didn't know because if you

2:09:08 ↗ you don't make it attractive you don't

2:09:11 ↗ want to get around you just get in your

2:09:12 ↗ car and you're go because you've got

2:09:14 ↗ newspapers flapping around your ankles

2:09:16 ↗ and and you're in the weeds and it's

2:09:19 ↗ noisy and it's you know who goes right

2:09:21 ↗ so yeah

2:09:24 ↗ they've done that before so one thing is

2:09:27 ↗ this you know this document is largely

2:09:30 ↗ written for new developments but I don't

2:09:32 ↗ think the signage piece that we're

2:09:34 ↗ talking about is going to apply to them

2:09:35 ↗ because if it's going to be consistent

2:09:37 ↗ throughout the whole network it's going

2:09:40 ↗ to be a bigger body that oversees it and

2:09:43 ↗ one development will have a say over

2:09:46 ↗ what that signage type is going to be so

2:09:49 ↗ all this I think would could all come

2:09:52 ↗ out in a different whether it's parks or

2:09:54 ↗ in the city's weight finding I think it

2:09:57 ↗ all get works out it gets worked out

2:09:59 ↗ somewhere else anyway if if they have a

2:10:06 ↗ system then you can make the developer

2:10:13 ↗ so I put consistent in because if you've

2:10:16 ↗ adopted that plan that Mel is alluding

2:10:18 ↗ to then you have to be consistent with

2:10:21 ↗ that plan right and so I think that

2:10:23 ↗ without saying what that plan is I think

2:10:26 ↗ I think providing that direction here be

2:10:30 ↗ consistent is it great I think that was

2:10:32 ↗ a great ad I'm going to espouse just for

2:10:36 ↗ one more minute if you do you have

2:10:40 ↗ weather protection or anything like

2:10:46 ↗ weather protection it is in a number of

2:10:48 ↗ the neighborhoods but it's as I wander

2:10:52 ↗ around cities I want them to be safe I

2:10:59 ↗ don't want to get wet I want them to be

2:11:01 ↗ I don't want to get wet I want them to

2:11:03 ↗ be

2:11:04 ↗ well maintained and I actually want them

2:11:07 ↗ to be efficient because you want to at

2:11:12 ↗ most places you go to an angle and if

2:11:15 ↗ you're a commuter Walker and that's why

2:11:18 ↗ you have all your cuts across

2:11:19 ↗ everybody's grass is because people take

2:11:22 ↗ the angle and they go the shortest

2:11:24 ↗ routes I think you've made a few good

2:11:32 ↗ points about the weather and the

2:11:35 ↗ well-maintained I'm not sure how it fits

2:11:38 ↗ all into this they're good ideas

2:11:41 ↗ I don't know how weather fits into it I

2:11:45 ↗ mean we can't control all weather

2:11:48 ↗ protection for example when you're

2:11:51 ↗ sitting for your transit stop you want

2:11:54 ↗ shelters you don't want to be out in the

2:11:55 ↗ rain so I don't know if it's in

2:11:59 ↗ connected

2:11:59 ↗ I just know you aren't going to take the

2:12:02 ↗ bus if you have to stand in the rain I

2:12:03 ↗ can see a component of new development

2:12:07 ↗ mixed-use like canopies over sidewalks

2:12:11 ↗ like his estimate that we want or that's

2:12:14 ↗ something that yeah so how does that fit

2:12:20 ↗ into the whole connected our state you

2:12:23 ↗ know like things that are pathways

2:12:26 ↗ through or yes that's part of the future

2:12:31 ↗ that our contact if 'ti network utilizes

2:12:35 ↗ that I guess if you're getting down to

2:12:39 ↗ low yeah I'm not trying to eye

2:12:43 ↗ conversation is you're getting down to

2:12:45 ↗ low in expecting to put more stuff in

2:12:49 ↗ here that we already have in a later

2:12:51 ↗ I can say what my lens is because this

2:12:55 ↗ is a mandate we need to get people out

2:12:57 ↗ of their cars and so if the goal is to

2:13:00 ↗ get people out of their cars and using

2:13:01 ↗ other modes then success for me for this

2:13:06 ↗ is maybe not just connected it's not not

2:13:12 ↗ not using your cars and using all of

2:13:14 ↗ these great connections we have so

2:13:16 ↗ that's the sort of the lens that I'm

2:13:18 ↗ going more for on this maybe it's

2:13:21 ↗ livable Oh No

2:13:26 ↗ so there is the word efficient which i

2:13:30 ↗ think is a good word in there I'm

2:13:31 ↗ wondering if we can cover some of this

2:13:34 ↗ with convenience too because I I think

2:13:37 ↗ that in public transportation or in

2:13:39 ↗ transportation one thing you want is

2:13:41 ↗ convenient and so then you have the

2:13:44 ↗ things that are fun and that you want to

2:13:46 ↗ get to in the distinctive the local

2:13:48 ↗ goods the farmers market those are like

2:13:51 ↗ the fun things that you should be able

2:13:52 ↗ to get to but then you want to be able

2:13:54 ↗ to in connect it to be it to be

2:13:56 ↗ efficient convenient so I agree I wrote

2:13:59 ↗ down a fishing convenient it wants to

2:14:01 ↗ get in here somewhere

2:14:02 ↗ I also have temporarily put with create

2:14:07 ↗ safe travel road routes safe and

2:14:10 ↗ comfortable and I'm not sure I'm there

2:14:12 ↗ yet but we'll leave it there for now

2:14:18 ↗ anything else for I know we're good

2:14:22 ↗ we'll get there we're getting their

2:14:24 ↗ sales pace we're getting there all right

2:14:27 ↗ are we ready for Sustainable not quite

2:14:29 ↗ that that bullet that has the efficient

2:14:32 ↗ in it I like the efficient I like the

2:14:35 ↗ connected I think was the other one

2:14:37 ↗ but that bullets is redundant with the

2:14:39 ↗ first bullet it seems like in the bullet

2:14:41 ↗ that comes after that regarding the

2:14:43 ↗ telecommunications infrastructure so

2:14:44 ↗ just me to work on well I may be it is

2:14:50 ↗ redundant I had trouble with that

2:14:52 ↗ the a wide-range I just had trouble

2:14:55 ↗ understanding what it was getting at

2:14:58 ↗ that was different than the other ones

2:15:05 ↗ include choices that do not require

2:15:07 ↗ physical travel I mean is that different

2:15:10 ↗ than well I just didn't quite so but

2:15:19 ↗ then there's delivery so I think it's

2:15:20 ↗ getting at something that I'm not

2:15:22 ↗ understanding

2:15:23 ↗ so it's focusing on okay so sometimes we

2:15:31 ↗ try to be future focused sometimes we

2:15:35 ↗ don't

2:15:35 ↗ this one was trying to to say we should

2:15:41 ↗ envision a community that has a portion

2:15:45 ↗ of its community that maybe works from

2:15:49 ↗ home maybe relies on delivery services

2:15:54 ↗ so that's starting to do things a little

2:15:56 ↗ different one this one I'm I'm okay if

2:16:03 ↗ you guys scrap that one I

2:16:06 ↗ I sort of like the concept I don't think

2:16:08 ↗ I'm the fan of the exact words because

2:16:11 ↗ it's choosing not to travel because

2:16:15 ↗ there's other ways to fulfill your needs

2:16:18 ↗ I think it's what that's getting at

2:16:20 ↗ isn't it delivery telecommunications

2:16:24 ↗ drones that's exactly it flaming arrows

2:16:29 ↗ pigeon second half of that what meeting

2:16:32 ↗ is we have yesterday I don't well

2:16:36 ↗ literally no I got I got in trouble

2:16:39 ↗ because when we don't have a quorum

2:16:41 ↗ we're just supposed to shutter the doors

2:16:42 ↗ that we're not even supposed to sit here

2:16:44 ↗ and and right now so learning moment for

2:16:49 ↗ all of us I don't know everything if we

2:16:52 ↗ don't have a quorum we're just supposed

2:16:53 ↗ to shut down yep so that's we all

2:16:58 ↗ learned something okay so that was the

2:17:01 ↗ meeting we didn't have yesterday you

2:17:07 ↗ know I think that we can't get people to

2:17:10 ↗ work out of the house unless we provide

2:17:13 ↗ them with the infrastructure the

2:17:16 ↗ infrastructure which is telecommuting

2:17:20 ↗ abilities yep and so I think you can

2:17:23 ↗ divide that into two okay I think you

2:17:26 ↗ just keep the second from last bullet

2:17:29 ↗ yeah let it be yeah okay

2:17:32 ↗ does that'll support whatever happens

2:17:34 ↗ right okay you could take that part out

2:17:40 ↗ all right

2:17:47 ↗ so if we didn't get all the way through

2:17:48 ↗ this the last one I'm just gonna go last

2:17:50 ↗ one Connect central Issaquah to the rest

2:17:53 ↗ of the city and region allowing for Less

2:17:54 ↗ car trips per person within a denser

2:17:57 ↗ city center I don't really know what the

2:18:05 ↗ intent is I mean what are you gaining

2:18:08 ↗ from that then we haven't gotten all

2:18:10 ↗ ready it's the last traffic that's the

2:18:15 ↗ important piece there was one yes so

2:18:17 ↗ good fewer car trips be somewhere else

2:18:23 ↗ as an intent like up unconnected in the

2:18:27 ↗ green bird so reduce just reduced cart

2:18:32 ↗ or reduced car trips it's at campus now

2:18:34 ↗ I can't remember what's up there already

2:18:36 ↗ it just doesn't seem like that is an

2:18:37 ↗ over arching goal of it well you have

2:18:41 ↗ transportation choices up there so you

2:18:43 ↗ actually are saying if I like it okay

2:18:55 ↗ energy in the room is getting to a

2:18:57 ↗ vitally low level sustainable hey blue

2:19:03 ↗ thank you environmentally socially and

2:19:08 ↗ economically healthy meeting the needs

2:19:11 ↗ of current residents and businesses

2:19:13 ↗ without compromising future needs I know

2:19:16 ↗ this one got to be sentence II so sorry

2:19:19 ↗ about that I think we'll go back to

2:19:21 ↗ wordy okay number one promote

2:19:25 ↗ socio-economic diversity I see two

2:19:32 ↗ thumbs and blank looks alright zero

2:19:36 ↗ sorry I have a blank look because I was

2:19:38 ↗ on the meeting I was on this meeting

2:19:41 ↗ needs of current residents and

2:19:43 ↗ without compromising future needs I

2:19:46 ↗ guess to me that just it for a vision

2:19:49 ↗ statement that seems a bit negative that

2:19:51 ↗ we're gonna we're going to meet the

2:19:53 ↗ needs and we're not going to do things

2:19:56 ↗ that will hurt in the future but for a

2:19:57 ↗ vision it seems like we could word that

2:19:59 ↗ more towards how we're going to improve

2:20:04 ↗ in terms of sustainability or you know

2:20:07 ↗ have a sustainable trajectory but maybe

2:20:09 ↗ make it a little more positive yes we

2:20:11 ↗ can do that okay okay

2:20:24 ↗ create a connected open space and

2:20:26 ↗ recreational network okay

2:20:32 ↗ reclamation enhancement of degraded

2:20:38 ↗ sorry reclamation and enhancement of

2:20:42 ↗ degraded natural features and the

2:20:44 ↗ protection of riparian areas and

2:20:48 ↗ wildlife habitat are essential to the

2:20:50 ↗ success of central Issaquah that bullet

2:20:52 ↗ is kind of redundant with the one two

2:20:54 ↗ down yes yes a protection and

2:20:59 ↗ restoration instead of reclamation

2:21:01 ↗ enhancement or something like that

2:21:05 ↗ protect and reclaim I think of reclaim I

2:21:11 ↗ think of mine in there yeah I don't

2:21:13 ↗ think I haven't I

2:21:15 ↗ have a background in a lot of Landy's

2:21:17 ↗ and I also just the reclamation I'm not

2:21:19 ↗ sure that that captures what we want to

2:21:23 ↗ say okay so is it so it's so is there it

2:21:30 ↗ is

2:21:32 ↗ so if faint so it's negative gone to the

2:21:36 ↗ blackberries and part of this is to

2:21:42 ↗ clean them out

2:21:45 ↗ are we not reclaiming them as productive

2:21:48 ↗ open spaces I mean I don't want to be

2:21:51 ↗ the anti blackberry and and English ivy

2:21:55 ↗ guy apparently I do so I don't know so

2:22:00 ↗ is there a reclamation piece of this do

2:22:02 ↗ we have open spaces I mean I actually

2:22:03 ↗ walked past a wetland yesterday okay

2:22:07 ↗ restoration was there a store yeah okay

2:22:10 ↗ reclaim okay

2:22:16 ↗ do that okay

2:22:25 ↗ champion environmental stewardship

2:22:32 ↗ I like that it's part of our vision you

2:22:38 ↗ she's leaving out what wetlands which

2:22:42 ↗ one are you reading this

2:22:43 ↗ I'm reading you we would I like of

2:22:46 ↗ course I like champion environmental

2:22:47 ↗ stewardship this riparian areas well we

2:22:52 ↗ do like streams we have streams we have

2:22:56 ↗ wetlands and we have wildlife habitat

2:23:02 ↗ we have forested areas that are degraded

2:23:05 ↗ you should should they be clustered into

2:23:08 ↗ that's of a defined group and critical

2:23:11 ↗ areas or something like that I mean I

2:23:14 ↗ don't know it seems like if you name

2:23:17 ↗ some and you don't name others than the

2:23:19 ↗ others that's not there so so would you

2:23:27 ↗ rather be more specific or more general

2:23:31 ↗ more general for this more general so

2:23:36 ↗ maybe just natural areas mm-hmm the

2:23:42 ↗ stewardship of Natural Resources

2:23:50 ↗ camping the stewardship of Natural

2:23:52 ↗ Resources yeah we were still under one

2:24:00 ↗ he was talking about that in the one

2:24:02 ↗ above reclaim and enhance which we've

2:24:05 ↗ now reworded right it's either you have

2:24:09 ↗ to name everything or you have to do

2:24:11 ↗ something general yep I would vote for

2:24:15 ↗ general I'm not sure okay and it doesn't

2:24:23 ↗ read right the last are essential to the

2:24:27 ↗ success of I think you should eliminate

2:24:30 ↗ that and Jo with that yes store and

2:24:35 ↗ enhance natural feature

2:24:42 ↗ okay when you get to each neighborhood

2:24:45 ↗ then you could call out the specific

2:24:47 ↗ features per neighborhood right right

2:24:51 ↗ okay how about provide adequate

2:24:55 ↗ infrastructure what does that mean in

2:25:00 ↗ terms of sustainable well you know so

2:25:10 ↗ part of you know this one is this one's

2:25:14 ↗ a little difficult so part of it is

2:25:18 ↗ [Music]

2:25:21 ↗ there could be some criticism now that

2:25:25 ↗ growth has outstripped some of our local

2:25:28 ↗ infrastructure which is then caused an

2:25:31 ↗ impact on existing residents and

2:25:34 ↗ businesses so I think where this is

2:25:37 ↗ trying to head although maybe it needs

2:25:39 ↗ to be unpacked a little bit is you know

2:25:42 ↗ that the infrastructure needs to be keep

2:25:48 ↗ the pace with growth

2:25:50 ↗ I'm sure seems sure infrastructure keeps

2:25:55 ↗ pace with growth though you're using

2:25:57 ↗ ensure twice in a row I just like

2:26:00 ↗ supports future growth

2:26:06 ↗ okay or something like yeah

2:26:12 ↗ we'll get that one squared away okay

2:26:15 ↗ next one ensure growth pays its share

2:26:19 ↗ unless it's cool related it's just it

2:26:35 ↗ depends on your perspective I think I

2:26:37 ↗ think some people don't feel like they

2:26:40 ↗ do which is why we're gonna address the

2:26:43 ↗ concurrency plan and so as a developer I

2:26:47 ↗ can tell you that when you do pay

2:26:49 ↗ mitigation fees you don't have control

2:26:50 ↗ over where they're spent they can be

2:26:52 ↗ spent anywhere in the city and your

2:26:54 ↗ developments impacts might not be

2:26:57 ↗ mitigated with the funds that you paid

2:26:58 ↗ for mitigation someone else's impacts

2:27:00 ↗ may be mitigated instead so that's just

2:27:03 ↗ how it works I mean you could you guys

2:27:11 ↗ there's a policy board you could try to

2:27:13 ↗ change it because it doesn't work very

2:27:15 ↗ well the way it works do you want to do

2:27:19 ↗ we want to talk about that central

2:27:29 ↗ Issaquah plan supports itself and rather

2:27:35 ↗ than shoving its money out into the rest

2:27:37 ↗ of the city no no no you don't want to

2:27:40 ↗ do that I don't do that yeah that

2:27:46 ↗ shouldn't that that so I don't disagree

2:27:48 ↗ with that as a policy conversation this

2:27:51 ↗ community should have but not as part of

2:27:53 ↗ the visions for central Issaquah thank

2:27:56 ↗ you wherever I can I know you are trying

2:27:59 ↗ to hold the line somewhere that's kind

2:28:01 ↗ of what I was thinking is that I think

2:28:03 ↗ that maybe this is

2:28:04 ↗ a discussion that we should have as a

2:28:07 ↗ community and our having as a community

2:28:09 ↗ on multiple levels but I don't know that

2:28:10 ↗ it belong it that our vision is that

2:28:14 ↗ growth phase its share I think it

2:28:16 ↗ started back to what I think so what I

2:28:18 ↗ would see is it's just not very

2:28:23 ↗ aspirational it's maybe something that

2:28:25 ↗ we should discuss how to do but I don't

2:28:27 ↗ know that it fits in a vision is it like

2:28:29 ↗ a financial sustainability thing worth

2:28:34 ↗ that is that why this is on here

2:28:44 ↗ Management Act is that growth should pay

2:28:46 ↗ for itself in existing residents should

2:28:48 ↗ pay for growths impacts right right it's

2:28:51 ↗ there okay but but we're woefully high

2:28:53 ↗ behind on our impact fees and keeping up

2:28:57 ↗ with I get that's part of a bigger

2:29:00 ↗ picture I guess that just feels out of

2:29:04 ↗ place but it has to be said somewhere

2:29:08 ↗ it is said somewhere in the attendant

2:29:11 ↗ way yeah yeah so so yeah if it's not on

2:29:17 ↗ the vision yeah I'm taking it out

2:29:21 ↗ all right create a dense and vibrant

2:29:25 ↗ city center with the goods and services

2:29:28 ↗ necessary to meet daily needs

2:29:30 ↗ ah that's right put it put it somewhere

2:29:33 ↗ so it went into sustainability kind of

2:29:40 ↗ liked it and lived a little better but

2:29:41 ↗ it doesn't it's fine I kind of like it

2:29:43 ↗ and liveable too so I'm gonna move it

2:29:48 ↗ I'd be a model City for green

2:29:51 ↗ initiatives and smart city initiatives I

2:29:53 ↗ like that one specific all right I don't

2:29:58 ↗ know what it means I don't know what it

2:30:00 ↗ means either but so I if I don't know

2:30:05 ↗ what it means and she doesn't know what

2:30:06 ↗ it means then it means nothing to

2:30:08 ↗ because what what what is a green

2:30:11 ↗ initiative it's capitalized it must be a

2:30:14 ↗ real thing so that would my development

2:30:19 ↗ agreement we have to comply with the

2:30:22 ↗ what is that one one planet living yes

2:30:24 ↗ as the measures so there is a guide yeah

2:30:28 ↗ that I know what it is yes I think this

2:30:31 ↗ is a thing so I'm gonna do some research

2:30:35 ↗ and figure out in Rabbid the thing I

2:30:38 ↗ think that'd be a model City for those

2:30:41 ↗ initiatives I think we should be open to

2:30:43 ↗ those initiatives

2:30:45 ↗ I think that's work is that what we're

2:30:47 ↗ trying to say no I want to be

2:30:49 ↗ aspirational I want to be a leader

2:30:50 ↗ the Issaquah wants to be known for its

2:30:55 ↗ green and sustainable weight after you

2:31:00 ↗ want to inspire other yeah but you don't

2:31:04 ↗ start be a leader if everything else is

2:31:07 ↗ we claim recommend

2:31:10 ↗ he doesn't fit me the way in yeah I

2:31:15 ↗ think so

2:31:20 ↗ when you say smart city there is a whole

2:31:23 ↗ thing that is smart and gross yeah

2:31:26 ↗ and I if you I don't think it should be

2:31:27 ↗ a smart city should be a Smart Growth

2:31:30 ↗ initiative I will I will I will figure

2:31:34 ↗ out where I pulled these from because I

2:31:36 ↗ didn't make this up I got this from

2:31:38 ↗ somewhere so I'll unpack it and if

2:31:40 ↗ there's some references I'll point to

2:31:42 ↗ you guys at them and then we can have

2:31:43 ↗ another conversation about that but

2:31:45 ↗ because I agree with comments we don't

2:31:47 ↗ know what these are we don't then

2:31:48 ↗ they're no good but I think they

2:31:50 ↗ actually are something because they're

2:31:51 ↗ capitalized and I don't think I did that

2:31:54 ↗ randomly although I could yeah

2:31:57 ↗ somebody's never know all right you guys

2:32:00 ↗ is this a place to talk about climate

2:32:05 ↗ resilience and alternative energy or yes

2:32:09 ↗ like in the in the in this part of the

2:32:12 ↗ vision yeah yeah did you want to yes I

2:32:15 ↗ think we should address what would you

2:32:17 ↗ like to say is things okay I think we

2:32:30 ↗ should be heard climate climate

2:32:33 ↗ resilience you know climate somehow

2:32:36 ↗ resilient to climate change or I don't

2:32:41 ↗ know what the words are okay that's what

2:32:44 ↗ I'm after and alternate energy okay

2:32:47 ↗ there's actually some decent language in

2:32:50 ↗ a and a Parks thing talking about

2:32:53 ↗ resilience seeing how important it is

2:32:55 ↗ for green spaces to include this concept

2:32:58 ↗ of resilience in their planet so I'll

2:33:01 ↗ try to send that to Keith and see if he

2:33:03 ↗ can eat language

2:33:08 ↗ and the other one was yeah alternative

2:33:10 ↗ energy wrote that down got you

2:33:17 ↗ congratulations wait Stan we have gone

2:33:23 ↗ through that now we can do Lindsey's

2:33:28 ↗ vision okay so one two three four five

2:33:36 ↗ we have five different suggestions for a

2:33:43 ↗ vision statement for central is a qualm

2:33:47 ↗ okay is one of these the one that was at

2:33:49 ↗ the front yes this one with the ear that

2:33:53 ↗ Joan didn't like this one with the ear

2:33:55 ↗ this one's in the document now so this

2:33:58 ↗ one's the one that the administration

2:34:00 ↗ put forward I'm not gonna identify the

2:34:03 ↗ others because people asked for an

2:34:07 ↗ amenity I'm just kidding okay so I'll

2:34:11 ↗ give you guys some time to read these

2:34:12 ↗ since I don't think they were shared

2:34:14 ↗ where they shared Commission wide okay

2:34:15 ↗ so why don't you guys take some time to

2:34:18 ↗ read these and then let's talk about

2:34:19 ↗ what what yeah I know the chords in the

2:34:26 ↗ way sorry

2:34:31 ↗ then you can't get it all in there

2:34:34 ↗ fullscreen I'd show right next to this

2:34:42 ↗ it's that bigger smaller okay or

2:34:52 ↗ spending the next two hours wordsmithing

2:34:55 ↗ yeah we're not that picky

2:35:56 ↗ I'm a slow reader and I've read through

2:35:59 ↗ it so I'm assuming that you guys have

2:36:01 ↗ I've done it I'm gonna say what I want

2:36:06 ↗ then anybody else can come up to it

2:36:09 ↗ normally when you do it you have a

2:36:10 ↗ vision and then you have something

2:36:12 ↗ underneath it and I don't know what

2:36:13 ↗ that's called a statement of some kind

2:36:17 ↗ sustained but you have the vision first

2:36:20 ↗ and then there's some kind of whatever

2:36:22 ↗ and so I like the very first one because

2:36:25 ↗ it's short it says everything that we

2:36:27 ↗ need to say but then I'd like to take

2:36:29 ↗ some of this and and put it underneath

2:36:33 ↗ it not together not as part of the

2:36:37 ↗ vision but as a I don't have my email up

2:36:48 ↗ I could do you have a hard copy of it I

2:36:53 ↗ can know at least I think I can

2:37:10 ↗ like the supporting contact maybe that's

2:37:18 ↗ a paper ready so Joan what do you like

2:37:22 ↗ about the the first one is it the

2:37:25 ↗ quantum or is it the fact that it says

2:37:27 ↗ central Issaquah is and kind of provides

2:37:30 ↗ that as the visionary statement I think

2:37:35 ↗ it says everything that's had vision

2:37:37 ↗ safe and should say I just like the way

2:37:39 ↗ it flows I like I like it's the Cygnus I

2:37:44 ↗ don't think a vision statement should

2:37:47 ↗ have two or three or four sentences I

2:37:49 ↗ think it should be right there in front

2:37:51 ↗ of you and I don't think it needs all

2:37:55 ↗ that I just like it that's my thought I

2:37:58 ↗ don't you know you guys can do disagree

2:38:00 ↗ with me or come up with something

2:38:02 ↗ different

2:38:03 ↗ take one of your questions is is the

2:38:06 ↗ question of is blank or will be blank as

2:38:10 ↗ I can prefer is because this is our

2:38:13 ↗ vision of what it is

2:38:15 ↗ [Music]

2:38:22 ↗ instead of talking about evolution and

2:38:24 ↗ change we're talking about this is what

2:38:26 ↗ we see it is becoming I think I can put

2:38:31 ↗ Ron's up did you guys want to see it the

2:38:33 ↗ rest of Ron's so oh sorry

2:38:35 ↗ the gentleman who did the first one let

2:38:43 ↗ me see if this works super awesome we

2:38:55 ↗ can do some stuff it's pointed right

2:39:07 ↗ here so it's showing on the screen so it

2:39:11 ↗ should be up here

2:39:19 ↗ [Music]

2:39:24 ↗ alright I'm gonna say I can't figure

2:39:27 ↗ Ron's out cuz I'm not that smart

2:39:30 ↗ put that back so sorry figured it's not

2:39:34 ↗ another day I can read this cuz I'm I

2:39:40 ↗ can still read all right so centrally

2:39:44 ↗ the quad vision central Issaquah is

2:39:46 ↗ environmentally rich vibrant and

2:39:48 ↗ prosperous live work and play

2:39:50 ↗ urban community that connects people to

2:39:52 ↗ nature destinations and businesses

2:39:55 ↗ underneath it it says we are growing our

2:39:58 ↗ urban community into an inclusive live

2:40:00 ↗ work and play jobs market that serves as

2:40:04 ↗ a recreation gateway to the cascades is

2:40:08 ↗ connected to the heart of Puget Sound

2:40:10 ↗ via light rail and excels in school

2:40:13 ↗ academia located at the headwaters of

2:40:17 ↗ Lake Sammamish State Park we are flanked

2:40:19 ↗ by reaching forested mountains with

2:40:21 ↗ meandering salmon bearing streams and

2:40:23 ↗ have our own Salmon Hatchery located in

2:40:27 ↗ downtown we are a community that finds

2:40:30 ↗ innovative ways to strengthen sustained

2:40:33 ↗ and evolve with protecting our

2:40:36 ↗ environment tree canopy and views the

2:40:39 ↗ guide communicates the four central

2:40:41 ↗ pillars live work livable distinctive

2:40:45 ↗ connected and sustainability and how it

2:40:50 ↗ derives strength from is a quasi

2:40:52 ↗ overarching comprehensive plan and the

2:40:55 ↗ regional cascade agenda and the mounts

2:40:57 ↗ to Sound Greenway visions

2:41:08 ↗ not feeling the vision from it or like

2:41:14 ↗ the I don't know whether it's getting

2:41:17 ↗ too specific yeah yeah it talks a lot

2:41:22 ↗ about the different elements of Issaquah

2:41:27 ↗ without it time usually it's about the

2:41:31 ↗ city of Issaquah not necessarily about

2:41:33 ↗ central Issaquah maybe yeah so if you

2:41:37 ↗ start with central Issaquah will be a

2:41:40 ↗ distinctive and and use the rest of that

2:41:45 ↗ I mean I like the fact that it says

2:41:48 ↗ transition gracefully over time and it

2:41:53 ↗ accommodates businesses and so it kind

2:41:57 ↗ of covers a lot cities take off the

2:42:05 ↗ first sentence and you go into central

2:42:07 ↗ Mexico will be distinguished by

2:42:10 ↗ community amenities and really in a

2:42:12 ↗ relationship with the environment that

2:42:14 ↗ will serve residents and employees and

2:42:16 ↗ go from there I like that so I sent mine

2:42:20 ↗ in too late I sent it in it I think 5:30

2:42:23 ↗ so it wasn't up on here but mine is I

2:42:29 ↗ admittedly was not very creative so I

2:42:31 ↗ just took the I didn't like the first

2:42:34 ↗ the it happening because I don't know

2:42:36 ↗ what it is and and whites and quotes and

2:42:39 ↗ then I thought that central Itzik oh so

2:42:43 ↗ then just rearranging the first sentence

2:42:45 ↗ central itsuka will be livable and

2:42:47 ↗ vibrant city center for our city

2:42:49 ↗ comprised of thriving business and then

2:42:51 ↗ just the rest of it because I did like

2:42:53 ↗ the rest of it although I also did like

2:42:55 ↗ some of the more specifics about the

2:42:59 ↗ environment

2:43:01 ↗ in the previous persons one that was

2:43:05 ↗ read so what is the end here

2:43:11 ↗ what where we going from here what do we

2:43:14 ↗ propose do we like the first first

2:43:17 ↗ statement or do you want to do something

2:43:18 ↗ else so I like the first statement

2:43:21 ↗ although I would just suggest making

2:43:23 ↗ because live work and play is used as an

2:43:25 ↗ adjective but it makes it for me very

2:43:27 ↗ difficult to read especially if you're

2:43:29 ↗ not seeing live work and play all the

2:43:30 ↗ time as an adjective so I would just

2:43:32 ↗ maybe but hyphens or some some week

2:43:35 ↗ because otherwise I read it at with that

2:43:38 ↗ comma I live work and play and then it

2:43:41 ↗ just I get lost in that sentence well

2:43:44 ↗ how about if it said vibrant and

2:43:46 ↗ prosperous urban community where people

2:43:49 ↗ live work play and learn and then not

2:43:54 ↗ that connects people to nature important

2:43:56 ↗ yeah we've already talked about

2:43:58 ↗ environmental and I think that again

2:44:06 ↗ central is cause an environmentally rich

2:44:08 ↗ vibrant and prosperous urban community

2:44:10 ↗ where people live work play and learn

2:44:18 ↗ I like that but I do like somehow

2:44:22 ↗ keeping connect with nature because I

2:44:24 ↗ think that's specific to its akua's

2:44:25 ↗ vision versus I live work and play I

2:44:27 ↗ think is in a lot of cities visions I

2:44:30 ↗ also want to address the idea that we're

2:44:33 ↗ trying to create neighborhoods and a

2:44:37 ↗ much like I almost want to unpack the

2:44:40 ↗ idea of urban community to define what

2:44:43 ↗ we as Issaquah want as an urban

2:44:46 ↗ community in central Issaquah because

2:44:48 ↗ when people say urban community I'm not

2:44:51 ↗ sure if they think Seattle or Bellevue I

2:44:54 ↗ want to create our version of an urban

2:44:57 ↗ community so I'm not sure if that needs

2:44:59 ↗ a little bit of tweaking there

2:45:09 ↗ you shouldn't be able to just fill in

2:45:11 ↗ the blank with the first insert insert

2:45:16 ↗ name of city here it's like it's got to

2:45:18 ↗ be a supply yeah so other things that I

2:45:22 ↗ think of is maintaining our small-town

2:45:27 ↗ family-friendly feel well growing you

2:45:31 ↗ know something about that tells me a lot

2:45:34 ↗ about Issaquah do you want to do do you

2:45:37 ↗ want an I don't know I see it more in a

2:45:43 ↗ supporting statement than I do in the

2:45:46 ↗ envision we're not I mean we might we're

2:45:51 ↗ not a small town yes yes connected and

2:46:00 ↗ yes but I wouldn't say small town like

2:46:03 ↗ okay that's fine but still that that

2:46:06 ↗ feel of what makes us unique the the

2:46:10 ↗ family-friendly part was brought up

2:46:13 ↗ earlier like maybe that could cover some

2:46:15 ↗ of what we want without saying small

2:46:20 ↗ town charm or small town feel nice let's

2:46:26 ↗ talk about wanting to make sure that

2:46:28 ↗ it's centralist cause multi-generational

2:46:32 ↗ too so I don't know if we want to just

2:46:34 ↗ come right out and say

2:46:40 ↗ [Music]

2:46:48 ↗ they're open thoughts and if you want to

2:46:51 ↗ act just do any of that the language and

2:46:54 ↗ the second part cover what you're saying

2:46:56 ↗ we don't have to put all of that stuff

2:47:01 ↗ in there yeah yeah I know but if you

2:47:06 ↗ wanted I would put it in the in the

2:47:08 ↗ bigger state in there so what do you

2:47:15 ↗ mean by the second part cuz wait how I'm

2:47:17 ↗ seeing this document is basically you've

2:47:19 ↗ got the central a squad vision as a

2:47:21 ↗ statement and then the green necklace

2:47:23 ↗ section and then the central is a quad

2:47:27 ↗ neighborhood map so what comes right

2:47:30 ↗ after that statement that you're

2:47:32 ↗ thinking expands who you're saying take

2:47:36 ↗ that first statement on the left and

2:47:39 ↗ then combine it with combined so I would

2:47:53 ↗ put what the city is thing underneath it

2:47:57 ↗ but not part of the vision it's sort of

2:47:59 ↗ a supporting statement of do I don't

2:48:01 ↗ know what that's called it has a special

2:48:02 ↗ name abstract I've been really quiet I

2:48:06 ↗ think the vision mission goals and

2:48:08 ↗ objectives to talk about what you're

2:48:10 ↗ thinking about something that has a

2:48:12 ↗ different name and and I wasn't going to

2:48:15 ↗ forget you

2:48:16 ↗ we do have a I have to open up to public

2:48:19 ↗ comments so I'm fact I thought you were

2:48:22 ↗ going to sit there and be part of our

2:48:24 ↗ community here so well I absolutely

2:48:28 ↗ support that I think that's a fantastic

2:48:29 ↗ way to organize it I agree yeah

2:48:36 ↗ okay so but I would change what did you

2:48:39 ↗ all just agree on the vision first

2:48:45 ↗ statements that we were talking about

2:48:47 ↗ that yes Victoria had mentioned changing

2:48:50 ↗ the live work and play the way others

2:48:52 ↗ yes learned breeds they mention had

2:48:56 ↗ learned to that right okay well I'm week

2:48:59 ↗ beyond all that is starting from the

2:49:04 ↗ central Issaquah will be extinguished

2:49:14 ↗ okay okay and then you go into the green

2:49:21 ↗ necklace or whatever else are gonna go

2:49:23 ↗ into it with this I actually like the

2:49:26 ↗ sentence even above it that talks about

2:49:29 ↗ the connections and the transportation

2:49:32 ↗ but so I would just rearrange it so

2:49:35 ↗ Central Square will be livable vibrant

2:49:38 ↗ city center for a city comprised of this

2:49:41 ↗ and then the whole rest of it because I

2:49:42 ↗ liked I did like the text let's take

2:49:45 ↗ just not the beginning I was trying

2:49:52 ↗ honey so I had a few more things that I

2:49:55 ↗ could have included in my stuff as that

2:49:59 ↗ later description so neighborhoods in

2:50:02 ↗ central Issaquah have their own identity

2:50:04 ↗ is designed and appeal and it's easy to

2:50:06 ↗ walk bicycle use transit or Drive

2:50:08 ↗ between them as well as to the rest of

2:50:11 ↗ the Quan the region just kind of

2:50:13 ↗ something that visionary talks about a

2:50:19 ↗ neighborhood idea so send that to

2:50:22 ↗ already have to keep and see how you can

2:50:25 ↗ put that right we will we will repackage

2:50:29 ↗ a Frankenstein version of this and send

2:50:32 ↗ it out

2:50:37 ↗ tastic joke rewriting that and doing all

2:50:40 ↗ that thank you

2:50:41 ↗ yeah so we will okay so so before the

2:50:45 ↗ next meeting we will rework a vision

2:50:47 ↗ send it out to you guys feel free to

2:50:48 ↗ email read lines back and forth let's

2:50:51 ↗ try and get to the point where we maybe

2:50:53 ↗ have one to me

2:50:57 ↗ sure not amongst yourselves just to me

2:51:05 ↗ yeah and only those of you who want to

2:51:09 ↗ multiple people are doing that do you do

2:51:12 ↗ I was wondering about that do you have a

2:51:14 ↗ I mean is that convenient for you to

2:51:17 ↗ have multiple people sort of

2:51:18 ↗ wordsmithing okay so I mean if somebody

2:51:21 ↗ wants to completely restructure though

2:51:23 ↗ and everybody else is kind of just

2:51:26 ↗ wordsmithing

2:51:27 ↗ that's the but we kind of decided

2:51:28 ↗ tonight I'm gonna have to tell that one

2:51:30 ↗ person hey look you know everybody else

2:51:33 ↗ was on a different page I'm not gonna do

2:51:35 ↗ this you can bring it up at the next

2:51:37 ↗ meeting but if everybody's just

2:51:38 ↗ wordsmithing I can I can do that I've

2:51:41 ↗ done that before like I'm good I'm fine

2:51:44 ↗ with that you guys say now if you find

2:51:45 ↗ one device close because we agreed what

2:51:48 ↗ it's supposed to say so it just has to

2:51:50 ↗ tell us okay

2:51:52 ↗ so with that what I had envisioned is

2:51:56 ↗ the next time you'll get a red line of

2:52:00 ↗ this but I want us to get to those first

2:52:03 ↗ two neighborhoods and get through those

2:52:05 ↗ first two neighborhoods so we'll do that

2:52:07 ↗ on the 15th yeah if we get a quorum yeah

2:52:13 ↗ it's not it's not yeah I'm just saying

2:52:16 ↗ it's dictatorial at this point and then

2:52:19 ↗ another 28 so we'll do the other two

2:52:21 ↗ neighborhoods and then in theory we'll

2:52:22 ↗ be done

2:52:26 ↗ put up the dates again so yeah so so

2:52:37 ↗ small cell is the first I need you guys

2:52:41 ↗ to have at least a quorum on the first

2:52:43 ↗ so maybe you guys so so here's the deal

2:52:47 ↗ you know with some of our other

2:52:49 ↗ Commission's where we hit significant

2:52:53 ↗ workloads we and I assume the bylaws for

2:52:56 ↗ PPC allowed them to break into

2:52:58 ↗ subcommittees yeah so you guys could if

2:53:03 ↗ you want to say alright there's enough

2:53:06 ↗ of you that you could actually break

2:53:08 ↗ into two subcommittees and split some of

2:53:11 ↗ this works so you all don't have to come

2:53:13 ↗ every Thursday if that's a problem but

2:53:17 ↗ if you'd rather just say look let's

2:53:19 ↗ let's suck it up and do it and then then

2:53:23 ↗ it gets easier after we're done with

2:53:24 ↗ this work item which I think it does can

2:53:31 ↗ you explain how the subcommittee's would

2:53:33 ↗ work with the quorum and the alternates

2:53:34 ↗ and that is it the same thing you just

2:53:36 ↗ need for regular members no four members

2:53:40 ↗ total so alt with alternates and

2:53:43 ↗ regulars you'd break into two pieces

2:53:45 ↗ but to have a quorum you need four so

2:53:49 ↗ you need to have at least four at each

2:53:51 ↗ meeting to be able to vote on stuff

2:53:55 ↗ having trouble is getting a quorum and

2:53:57 ↗ joy it's probably going to be out for a

2:53:58 ↗ while but it might be hard to get four

2:54:00 ↗ and four okay

2:54:02 ↗ can we maybe do a show of hands either

2:54:04 ↗ do we have a sense if we have enough

2:54:06 ↗ people for any of those well I have

2:54:08 ↗ three people for February first I've

2:54:11 ↗ heard back from three Vicki Lindsey and

2:54:13 ↗ John but I just sent it out this morning

2:54:15 ↗ oh did you say okay

2:54:17 ↗ I haven't sent you but I can do it okay

2:54:20 ↗ you can do the first round I can do this

2:54:23 ↗ okay nice time I'll be there

2:54:24 ↗ thank you okay so when you do the first

2:54:27 ↗ you have to watch yeah something that

2:54:30 ↗ didn't happen on wise you will not

2:54:35 ↗ understand

2:54:36 ↗ yeah it's seven you know on that first

2:54:39 ↗ meeting we could just knock it out okay

2:54:41 ↗ great I could give it cuz I already sent

2:54:44 ↗ the links so that would be good yep yep

2:54:46 ↗ okay and so tomorrow morning I will send

2:54:49 ↗ a link I will send a save the date for

2:54:52 ↗ the fifteenth because you probably maybe

2:54:54 ↗ don't know your schedule at this point

2:54:57 ↗ so the 8th is not so they although

2:55:01 ↗ obviously we want as many commissioners

2:55:04 ↗ as possible the eighth and the

2:55:06 ↗ twenty-second we don't need to have a

2:55:08 ↗ quorum well apparently I do need to have

2:55:11 ↗ a quorum otherwise we're not having a

2:55:12 ↗ meeting I don't know I got a pact that

2:55:19 ↗ with my boss gave me a very definitive

2:55:23 ↗ answer today so but we're also gonna

2:55:25 ↗ have park board so it could potentially

2:55:28 ↗ be a park board meeting if PPC doesn't

2:55:30 ↗ have a quorum I don't know well they're

2:55:32 ↗ regular PPC nights so we should have a

2:55:35 ↗ quorum yeah I'm the age limit of 20

2:55:36 ↗ seconds I'm not prejudging I know right

2:55:38 ↗ it's just Wednesdays are hard for us one

2:55:41 ↗ clarification on that so we're having

2:55:42 ↗ like at the Charette on the 8 yeah and

2:55:44 ↗ then what's happening on the 22nd just

2:55:45 ↗ an extension of that are well and so

2:55:48 ↗ that's you know so your chair and I

2:55:50 ↗ talked a little bit before and I wasn't

2:55:53 ↗ at those planning meetings so you're

2:55:55 ↗ gonna need to talk to Kristin and Trish

2:55:56 ↗ on whether or not so the question was

2:55:59 ↗ raised do you need to have two meetings

2:56:02 ↗ for the green necklace the thought was

2:56:04 ↗ that the first meeting is location of

2:56:06 ↗ all the places and how is it actually

2:56:08 ↗ linked and that this once you've figured

2:56:10 ↗ out the whole network then the second

2:56:12 ↗ meeting would be the character what does

2:56:14 ↗ it all look like how does it all feel so

2:56:17 ↗ that

2:56:18 ↗ we have a better chance of having it

2:56:19 ↗ happen the way that we'd like it to

2:56:20 ↗ happen so that's how they were breaking

2:56:22 ↗ it down into two well we can always see

2:56:28 ↗ how we do on that meeting on the eighth

2:56:30 ↗ and if we end up getting farther through

2:56:34 ↗ we could potentially put something in on

2:56:36 ↗ the ranked 22nd right and you'll have

2:56:39 ↗ the park board too and we'll be in the

2:56:41 ↗ Eagle room on the 8th - and I'll send

2:56:43 ↗ that out and it's on here but I'll send

2:56:46 ↗ that out as well and Trish and I are

2:56:49 ↗ making subcommittees because we have two

2:56:51 ↗ meetings that night so I'll be at Landon

2:56:53 ↗ Shore and she'll be a PPC on the 8th so

2:57:00 ↗ I really liked having homework it meant

2:57:03 ↗ that I came to the meeting very focused

2:57:06 ↗ on what we were gonna do and I had pre

2:57:09 ↗ pulled together my thoughts on that do

2:57:12 ↗ we have anything that we maybe should be

2:57:15 ↗ looking at ahead of time for this next

2:57:17 ↗ the neighborhood's the first two

2:57:19 ↗ neighborhoods right let me so let me

2:57:25 ↗ spend a little time on those

2:57:26 ↗ neighborhoods because as we saw earlier

2:57:28 ↗ they've not been touched for a month and

2:57:31 ↗ they could use some some wordsmithing so

2:57:34 ↗ so let me take a little bit of a whack

2:57:36 ↗ at that and I'll send that to Kristin

2:57:39 ↗ and then she can get it in the right

2:57:42 ↗ format because I'm gonna be in Vegas

2:57:44 ↗ from Saturday on so we'll have to do

2:57:50 ↗ things romantic I think that Wi-Fi in

2:57:52 ↗ Vegas

2:57:54 ↗ a Python small cells are we doing

2:58:02 ↗ anything on kind of the structure of how

2:58:05 ↗ we're putting the information in the

2:58:07 ↗ neighborhoods so last last we talked I

2:58:13 ↗ thought we were fairly committed to the

2:58:17 ↗ structure which is the developer

2:58:20 ↗ obligations so there's basically the

2:58:22 ↗ four buckets and then three sections

2:58:24 ↗ developer obligations city implementing

2:58:27 ↗ actions and measures of success

2:58:29 ↗ so if we're sticking with that structure

2:58:31 ↗ then I'm just going to wordsmith within

2:58:33 ↗ that structure and try and go back to

2:58:36 ↗ the buckets now that because they've

2:58:37 ↗ evolved a little bit and make sure that

2:58:39 ↗ we have connectivity between the bullets

2:58:41 ↗ and the buckets okay and then what was

2:58:43 ↗ the section above this on like the

2:58:48 ↗ information about the neighborhood so

2:58:53 ↗ [Music]

2:58:55 ↗ yeah it's not an old version this is an

2:58:58 ↗ older version okay but it was the one

2:59:00 ↗ that I knew I had the neighborhood's in

2:59:01 ↗ it so there's the section I just met the

2:59:05 ↗ description of each of the neighborhoods

2:59:07 ↗ so if there was anything that structure

2:59:10 ↗ wised I can't remember it's been I don't

2:59:15 ↗ think we did anything up front to kind

2:59:22 ↗ of pre describe the neighborhoods until

2:59:23 ↗ you actually get there so we talked

2:59:26 ↗ about that it makes sense if we're at

2:59:29 ↗ the point that I would say that we're

2:59:32 ↗ probably sticking with the structure so

2:59:33 ↗ it's just a matter of us wordsmithing

2:59:35 ↗ right great we decided to stick with the

2:59:39 ↗ last time and granted starting over

2:59:41 ↗ again

2:59:42 ↗ are we kind of so we'll get that

2:59:45 ↗ information and you actually can pull

2:59:47 ↗ that up now and yet start looking at it

2:59:50 ↗ and seeing if you agree with what Keith

2:59:53 ↗ comes up with but this was set up as a

2:59:57 ↗ out of the forum and I haven't had a

3:00:01 ↗ problem before so I was going to open up

3:00:04 ↗ the public forum and a steam if you

3:00:06 ↗ would like or or either one of you I

3:00:12 ↗ know that I've never opened a public

3:00:14 ↗ forum at 9:30 but if you would like to

3:00:17 ↗ say something say she didn't say Joan

3:00:19 ↗ congratulations

3:00:21 ↗ so a couple thoughts

3:00:24 ↗ I guess one is we've talked about why

3:00:27 ↗ the central is well planned or central

3:00:29 ↗ there's got to be a prosperous or

3:00:31 ↗ prosperous area we define that in there

3:00:33 ↗ I don't know that we've talked I don't

3:00:36 ↗ know we're gonna get to making sure the

3:00:38 ↗ vision talks about the environment and

3:00:41 ↗ the green necklace I'm just concerned

3:00:45 ↗ with losing that overall scope of

3:00:47 ↗ putting that environmental feel central

3:00:50 ↗ to what that vision is I know we have an

3:00:53 ↗ Office of Economic Development

3:00:55 ↗ I don't know we have an office of being

3:00:57 ↗ a green jewel I don't know who

3:00:59 ↗ specifically is responsible for

3:01:00 ↗ maintaining that green jewel outside of

3:01:02 ↗ the perks area is that the parks

3:01:05 ↗ department is responsible for that even

3:01:07 ↗ though it's not a park area

3:01:09 ↗ okay I just want make sure that gets

3:01:11 ↗ incorporated yeah because that's a big

3:01:17 ↗ unknown yet please keep up the good work

3:01:20 ↗ thank you see you don't have to let me

3:01:32 ↗ introduce you this is mrs. Kim Pearson

3:01:34 ↗ so she's a graduate student at the

3:01:36 ↗ University of Washington School Evans

3:01:38 ↗ School of Public Administration and so I

3:01:42 ↗ invited him to come see how a great what

3:01:49 ↗ you're saying she's more qualified than

3:01:50 ↗ all of us yeah so thank you for your

3:01:56 ↗ play we sit in it was really interesting

3:01:59 ↗ to see you work there your visions do

3:02:02 ↗ you need to oh sure go okay yeah so

3:02:06 ↗ thank you for letting me sit in here I

3:02:10 ↗ guess it's open to the public of course

3:02:11 ↗ but yeah we covered vision statements

3:02:15 ↗ missions goals and one of my public

3:02:18 ↗ policy classes so it was interesting to

3:02:21 ↗ see it kind of in action in local

3:02:23 ↗ government and so thank you and thank

3:02:29 ↗ you because now I know it's a vision

3:02:31 ↗ statement and then a mission statement

3:02:33 ↗ yeah that's where it comes from so

3:02:36 ↗ seeing nobody else in the audience I'm

3:02:38 ↗ going to close the

3:02:42 ↗ 9:35 is there any more anything good for

3:02:50 ↗ the order Trish do we need to do

3:02:52 ↗ anything else

3:02:53 ↗ no I've said the minutes in the next

3:02:58 ↗ packet not the park board packet but the

3:03:00 ↗ fifteenth I'll put all the minutes in

3:03:01 ↗ there like we did last point well I

3:03:08 ↗ think the homework is to look at the

3:03:10 ↗ first two I can send it out specifically

3:03:12 ↗ so people will know to do it because

3:03:14 ↗ people remember and think it's spot on

3:03:18 ↗ so Trish don't send them out to like it

3:03:21 ↗ a chance to update them okay okay so if

3:03:27 ↗ there's nothing for the good of the

3:03:28 ↗ order anything else I'm going to close

3:03:31 ↗ the meeting at 9:36 thank you Oh awesome

3:03:39 ↗ job

3:03:48 ↗ you

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