Environmental Board · Wednesday, July 12, 2023 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of June 14, 2023

packet pp.3–5

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 06-14-23 Environmental Board Minutes Page [1] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Environmental Board 6:30 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. June 14, 2023 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Comprehensive Plan Update

Discussion · [30 mins] Stephen Padua, Long Range Planning Manager · packet pp.7–31

Topics: Land Use

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Staff report:

Office of Sustainability 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

Natural Environment Checklist

Discussion · [30 mins] Christian Geitz, Planning Manager · packet pp.33–46

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Staff report:

Community Planning & Development 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

Sewer Master Plan Update

Discussion · [50 mins] Matt Ellis, Utilities Engineering Manager Evan Brumfield, Environmental and Regulatory Program Administrator Julie Wartes, Environmental and Regulatory Program Administrator · packet pp.47–166

Topics: Water

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Staff report:

MEMORANDUM Date: July 12, 2023 To: Matt Ellis, PE, City of Issaquah From: Dave Harms, PE, BHC Consultants, LLC Subject: City of Issaquah Sewer Master Plan – DRAFT Sewer Capacity Policies

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Updated Environmental Board Schedule

packet pp.167–171

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Staff report:

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0:17 ↗ s I'm the chair for tonight Welcome to

0:20 ↗ our escort environmental board meeting

0:21 ↗ tonight I'm due to the virtual format of

0:25 ↗ our meetings here's some quick

0:26 ↗ guidelines so look at our participants

0:28 ↗ online and others in the room please

0:31 ↗ speak clearly and pause frequently state

0:34 ↗ your name each time before speaking and

0:36 ↗ mute your microphone when you're new if

0:38 ↗ you have any technical issues you can

0:40 ↗ try logging in on a different device or

0:42 ↗ raise your hand and let us know and

0:43 ↗ we'll try to figure it out

0:45 ↗ Commissioners in the room if you desire

0:48 ↗ to speak sign normal please put your

0:50 ↗ little sign up we'll call on you as we

0:52 ↗ go around

0:55 ↗ I mean Commissioners on the virtual side

0:57 ↗ if we could just raise your hand we'll

0:59 ↗ be watching for you

1:04 ↗ and then we'll be summarizing our topics

1:07 ↗ at the end of each topic if there is a

1:10 ↗ summary to to go through

1:13 ↗ um some of our stuff tonight is

1:15 ↗ informational and then our last one is

1:17 ↗ last two actually we're looking for some

1:20 ↗ feedback

1:22 ↗ Stacy with that one and take a certain

1:25 ↗ uh Tom Anderson here

1:28 ↗ Davidson has an excused absence Amy

1:31 ↗ Finch has an excuse

1:33 ↗ to ask him he has an excuse absence Joy

1:37 ↗ Lewis

1:38 ↗ Ashman Khan

1:42 ↗ here

1:43 ↗ great uh Ashwin manaharan

1:49 ↗ Don McWilliams here uh and Newton here

1:53 ↗ with Janet wall

1:56 ↗ Dixie bear here Alex Lee tigner

2:00 ↗ here

2:01 ↗ we have Quorum we have three members

2:04 ↗ missing so our three alternates will be

2:06 ↗ sitting in this regular members

2:14 ↗ and next steps approval of minutes is

2:16 ↗ there any comments on the previous

2:18 ↗ minutes and the changes that you would

2:19 ↗ like to see

2:24 ↗ during that I think all those approved

2:29 ↗ and moving on to public comments I see

2:31 ↗ we have Connie on the line is there

2:33 ↗ anybody else Stacy

2:37 ↗ um

2:37 ↗ we do have a couple other members that

2:42 ↗ may be with our consultant team

2:45 ↗ um so I'm not sure uh if you are a

2:47 ↗ member of the public and want to either

2:49 ↗ raise your hand or send a note in the

2:51 ↗ chat

2:52 ↗ um please do so if you'd like to make a

2:54 ↗ comment

2:56 ↗ um in addition to Connie who would like

2:58 ↗ to make verbal comments we had written

2:59 ↗ comments submitted by Connie Ann

3:02 ↗ Fletcher and Steve Hurd I just wanted to

3:04 ↗ fight for the environment board those

3:06 ↗ were sent out to the board members

3:08 ↗ I believe Connie at this time is the

3:10 ↗ only one that wants to make verbal

3:11 ↗ comments

3:13 ↗ okay Bonnie and Floors yours

3:24 ↗ on New Jersey

3:32 ↗ one second Connie you're muted

3:43 ↗ Connie you should be able to unmute

3:45 ↗ yourself and it doesn't look like I'm

3:47 ↗ able to unmute you

3:48 ↗ foreign

3:54 ↗ how about now yes

3:57 ↗ I will tell you what it does on this end

3:59 ↗ just so you know it periodically flashes

4:03 ↗ the screen giving you a three key task

4:06 ↗ to unmute yourself there's no unmute

4:10 ↗ yourself thing other than that so that's

4:12 ↗ why it took me so long so now you know

4:14 ↗ when people look confused that maybe

4:16 ↗ what happened okay

4:18 ↗ um

4:19 ↗ so I sent you

4:22 ↗ a grumpy email and then a more

4:24 ↗ thoughtful email

4:27 ↗ um

4:28 ↗ so I am gonna start with the difficulty

4:33 ↗ of comprehensive plan

4:38 ↗ consolidation and updating

4:41 ↗ so

4:43 ↗ without knowing where you are like what

4:47 ↗ the current comprehensive plan policies

4:50 ↗ are in some sort of a matrix it's really

4:55 ↗ hard to understand what you have

4:57 ↗ attempted and whether it's working or

4:59 ↗ not so I know for me having that Matrix

5:04 ↗ and then the successfulness or how we

5:08 ↗ far we have gotten In Those comp

5:11 ↗ comprehensive planned Concepts then can

5:15 ↗ lead to a thoughtful discussion of what

5:18 ↗ the story of the future should be now it

5:22 ↗ doesn't matter so much what element it

5:24 ↗ ends up in

5:26 ↗ what matters is we're trying to use the

5:29 ↗ comprehensive plan to figure out what is

5:32 ↗ going to work for 30 years

5:34 ↗ and I don't find what has been provided

5:39 ↗ um leads to a discussion of the story of

5:42 ↗ the future of Issaquah at the 30 000

5:44 ↗ foot level

5:45 ↗ all it does for my particular brain is

5:50 ↗ is uh

5:53 ↗ it makes me look at the definitions of

5:55 ↗ words and I don't understand the

5:58 ↗ definitions of the words that you're

6:00 ↗ asking us to talk about

6:02 ↗ and and so

6:07 ↗ I'm not

6:09 ↗ going to be able to help

6:11 ↗ or understand and I don't know if the

6:13 ↗ boards and commissions can either now

6:16 ↗ skipping on to that very broad I don't

6:20 ↗ get it sort of and I'm sorry this is my

6:23 ↗ third and a half comprehensive Plan

6:25 ↗ update so it's not my first comp plan

6:27 ↗ update

6:28 ↗ so it's not that I know nothing it's

6:30 ↗ just I don't get this process so then

6:33 ↗ moving on to the um what's it called the

6:39 ↗ spreadsheet for how we're supposed to be

6:42 ↗ judging what is happening with the

6:44 ↗ environment in the city is how I think

6:47 ↗ of it in my brain

6:49 ↗ um it seems to be coming down to whether

6:52 ↗ we had a neighborhood meeting or not on

6:54 ↗ the topic and I think that is beside the

6:56 ↗ point we have an environmental board

6:59 ↗ that is supposed to be creating

7:02 ↗ environmental policy and unless it gets

7:05 ↗ an understanding of whether what we are

7:08 ↗ doing is allowing things to be harmed or

7:12 ↗ providing for great Improvement or doing

7:14 ↗ both and achieving we don't know

7:18 ↗ negative positive effect

7:20 ↗ it's going to be really hard to make the

7:24 ↗ city's environment better and so what is

7:27 ↗ provided for the data for the

7:30 ↗ environmental George uh board judgment

7:34 ↗ is not what I experience in life I see

7:37 ↗ all kinds of projects that have happened

7:39 ↗ some with improvements some with harm

7:41 ↗ some are in the middle some are wildly

7:44 ↗ out of date and yet none of that is

7:47 ↗ reflected in this report and so I don't

7:50 ↗ think that we are gaining

7:53 ↗ um what the environmental Board needs to

7:56 ↗ make good decisions

7:58 ↗ by what was presented in this

8:02 ↗ agenda and the sewer plan you know that

8:06 ↗ seems sort of like it's prettier around

8:07 ↗ the edges except for the fact that if we

8:10 ↗ put everyone on sewer then we're

8:11 ↗ basically going to be flushing most of

8:13 ↗ our water out of town and

8:17 ↗ um

8:18 ↗ and that's not necessarily a good thing

8:21 ↗ for aquifer it's not a bad thing to have

8:23 ↗ uh properly functioning septic in our

8:27 ↗ town

8:28 ↗ thank you

8:31 ↗ I don't know how to mute either but

8:32 ↗ maybe you'll do that

8:37 ↗ great thank you Connie um we do have a

8:39 ↗ number of other participants I want to

8:42 ↗ make sure no one else wanted to provide

8:44 ↗ public comments

8:47 ↗ if you do want to please raise your hand

8:49 ↗ or you can put a note in the chat

9:01 ↗ not seeing any additional hearing no

9:03 ↗ further comments let's move on to our

9:05 ↗ next topic and Stephen you're up

9:08 ↗ Steven's going to give us an update on

9:10 ↗ the comprehensive plan

9:13 ↗ thank you

9:14 ↗ um for the record Stephen Padua the

9:16 ↗ long-rangementor with Community Planning

9:17 ↗ and Development I'm here to talk

9:19 ↗ comprehensive plan with you all the

9:22 ↗ purpose of tonight is to talk about the

9:23 ↗ new element that we're going to be

9:26 ↗ creating for the co-france of plan

9:28 ↗ specifically around natural environment

9:30 ↗ some of this you've heard back in April

9:33 ↗ I'm just reviewing a lot of it briefly

9:36 ↗ but also talk a little bit more of scope

9:38 ↗ back when we talked in April none of the

9:41 ↗ new state legislation had passed yet so

9:43 ↗ there's a little bit new information

9:45 ↗ about that

9:47 ↗ the issues or questions for discussion

9:50 ↗ tonight is

9:52 ↗ um one if the board would like to

9:55 ↗ provide feedback on the title of the new

9:57 ↗ element happy to take that just so we

9:59 ↗ have something to call it as we're

10:01 ↗ working through it over the next couple

10:03 ↗ months and returning to you um

10:06 ↗ I think I believe September

10:08 ↗ the other discussion for tonight is just

10:11 ↗ talking about the difference between the

10:12 ↗ conference plan and other planning

10:14 ↗ documents that we're going to be using

10:15 ↗ uh that's part of every board and

10:17 ↗ staff's workplace and so that's part of

10:20 ↗ tonight's discussion so on the

10:23 ↗ background comprehensive plans were born

10:26 ↗ out of the passing of the growth

10:28 ↗ management act back in 1990 the purpose

10:31 ↗ of the growth management Act was to

10:33 ↗ essentially have our communities plan

10:36 ↗ for growth address urban sprawl as well

10:40 ↗ as addressing our quality of life in all

10:42 ↗ of our communities

10:43 ↗ the updates that we have for the

10:46 ↗ conference plan there's an optional

10:47 ↗ annual update that the city is closed

10:50 ↗ taken advantage of quite a bit

10:52 ↗ historically and then there's the

10:54 ↗ periodic updates that are actually

10:55 ↗ required by the state to happen every

10:57 ↗ eight years we are currently in the

11:00 ↗ periodic update so we are reviewing all

11:03 ↗ the elements as required by the state

11:06 ↗ so all the elements that are being

11:08 ↗ reviewed are listed on the screen the

11:10 ↗ two that are highlighted are two that

11:12 ↗ are not required by the same ethicities

11:13 ↗ as well as chosen to include as part of

11:16 ↗ the conference plan as being an

11:17 ↗ important topic to address as we are

11:19 ↗ looking at growth for the future and

11:22 ↗ then with this new periodic update we're

11:24 ↗ introducing the new environmental

11:26 ↗ related element that we're going to be

11:28 ↗ working with the board on and trying to

11:31 ↗ assemble

11:32 ↗ one of the things that I talked about

11:34 ↗ previously at the meeting in April is a

11:36 ↗ lot of what's going to be going into

11:37 ↗ this new element is a lot of the

11:39 ↗ existing goals and policies you've

11:41 ↗ already worked and developed as part of

11:42 ↗ the development of the icap and so what

11:44 ↗ will be introduced new is is some of the

11:47 ↗ climate vulnerability assessment work

11:49 ↗ that your ongoing work that you're

11:51 ↗ discussing with staff now but also um as

11:55 ↗ I'll talk about later some of the

11:56 ↗ incorporating some of the feedback we

11:57 ↗ got in here

11:59 ↗ so we have three primary goals with this

12:01 ↗ great great periodic update the first

12:04 ↗ being compliance making sure that we

12:06 ↗ comply with all new regulations from the

12:08 ↗ state and the county as well as any

12:10 ↗ Regional

12:11 ↗ requirements that are there

12:13 ↗ incorporating with anything that the

12:16 ↗ county in the state is now requiring us

12:18 ↗ to do

12:18 ↗ the

12:21 ↗ bills that we didn't really have at the

12:24 ↗ time or at least couldn't provide detail

12:25 ↗ at the time in April are on the screen

12:27 ↗ and and the the most important bill

12:30 ↗ that'll be we're considering with the

12:32 ↗ development of this new element is House

12:34 ↗ Bill 1181 that's actually what's

12:36 ↗ requiring cities to incorporate a new

12:38 ↗ environment related bill that addresses

12:41 ↗ um

12:42 ↗ a vehicle miles travel that addresses

12:44 ↗ climate change and climate resiliency

12:47 ↗ for communities there's also some

12:49 ↗ language about flood control and uh

12:52 ↗ reduction of greenhouse gas emissions

12:54 ↗ that need to be addressed all components

12:56 ↗ that we actually have with a lot of our

12:58 ↗ existing goals and policies because that

13:00 ↗ was developed well with uh the icat and

13:03 ↗ the any the pieces that we're missing

13:05 ↗ are actually being satisfied through the

13:07 ↗ climate vulnerability assessment so for

13:10 ↗ the most part what's now required of us

13:12 ↗ we're already going to be incorporating

13:14 ↗ into the comprehensive plan we're just

13:16 ↗ now assembling it into a new element

13:23 ↗ a big part of what we're trying to

13:25 ↗ achieve with this periodic update is is

13:28 ↗ what we're calling the planning

13:29 ↗ framework and that's differentiating the

13:31 ↗ comprehensive plan being our 20-year

13:33 ↗ vision from a lot of our working plans

13:35 ↗ or functional plans is what we're

13:37 ↗ calling them

13:38 ↗ um that are really more of the planning

13:40 ↗ documents that contain a lot of the

13:42 ↗ actions uh more the strategies how we're

13:45 ↗ achieving the city's vision and that

13:46 ↗ helps feed into a lot of the budget

13:48 ↗ discussions what resources we need as a

13:51 ↗ city and as well as a lot of the

13:52 ↗ direction we're trying to take as a city

13:55 ↗ as a community and that'll feed into our

13:57 ↗ performance metrics and then create this

13:59 ↗ cycle of improvement and continuing

14:02 ↗ monitoring of how we're doing as a

14:04 ↗ community as well as an organization

14:07 ↗ we bring this up because we when we last

14:10 ↗ went through the periodic update we

14:12 ↗ didn't have as many functional plans and

14:14 ↗ that being the icap we didn't have the

14:16 ↗ mobility master plan we didn't have the

14:18 ↗ Human Services strategic plan for the

14:21 ↗ parks strategic plan was kind of

14:23 ↗ developed after a lot of that

14:25 ↗ and updated after that so we now have an

14:29 ↗ opportunity to now put the comprehensive

14:32 ↗ plan at a level where we can primarily

14:34 ↗ focus on goals of policing the complex

14:36 ↗ plan where it's primarily a guiding

14:38 ↗ document of how we achieve our vision

14:40 ↗ and then we can primarily work in a lot

14:43 ↗ of our functional plans and our

14:45 ↗ day-to-day activities and discussions of

14:47 ↗ how we're really trying to achieve the

14:49 ↗ vision and a huge reason why we want to

14:53 ↗ do this is one we have the opportunity

14:55 ↗ to use these functional plans and we

14:57 ↗ have a lot more boards and commissions

14:59 ↗ to have these discussions we can now

15:01 ↗ focus on implementation more so than

15:04 ↗ having to always update this 20-year

15:07 ↗ Vision or comprehensive plan and go

15:10 ↗ through the effort of updating it just

15:12 ↗ so we get to what we're trying to do

15:13 ↗ when we really should be focusing on

15:15 ↗ implementation so that way we can be a

15:17 ↗ lot more efficient with our time as well

15:18 ↗ as the discussions we're having with all

15:20 ↗ you all and how we're achieving a lot of

15:23 ↗ our vision and goals

15:26 ↗ so we thought it would be helpful to

15:28 ↗ provide an example

15:30 ↗ the goals and policies that I pulled

15:32 ↗ from the comprehensive plan are also

15:34 ↗ addressed in the icat and the big

15:37 ↗ difference between the two is you can

15:39 ↗ think of the goals and policies as

15:40 ↗ really being contained in the

15:42 ↗ comprehensive plan elements that's where

15:44 ↗ our goals and policies should be located

15:46 ↗ as required by the state but also as a

15:48 ↗ planning document it makes the most

15:50 ↗ sense within that Visionary 20-year

15:52 ↗ document

15:53 ↗ then you have your actions from your

15:55 ↗ climate action plan or the functional

15:56 ↗ advanced

15:57 ↗ these provide a lot more direction from

16:01 ↗ the goals and policies that you

16:03 ↗ shouldn't really see in that 20-year

16:05 ↗ Visionary document enough so uh that has

16:09 ↗ enough detail that you can now identify

16:11 ↗ strategies as well as resources to

16:14 ↗ address how you're achieving the vision

16:16 ↗ when you're talking about the goals and

16:18 ↗ policies it's really not at a level

16:20 ↗ where you can identify the resources or

16:23 ↗ the specific strategies on how to

16:24 ↗ achieve it and it's really trying to

16:26 ↗ give direction on how to achieve that

16:28 ↗ vision and then you get to the actions

16:30 ↗ then you can actually operationalize a

16:33 ↗ lot of what you're trying to achieve and

16:35 ↗ that's really that dividing line between

16:37 ↗ what goes in the conference plan versus

16:39 ↗ a lot of your functional plans and

16:42 ↗ that's really what we're trying to get

16:43 ↗ to the comprehend comprehensive plan to

16:45 ↗ the level of so we're not having to

16:47 ↗ continue and update that in order to

16:49 ↗ achieve what we're really trying to

16:51 ↗ implement

16:52 ↗ before I move on are there any questions

16:56 ↗ so make sure I understand correctly so

16:59 ↗ the comprehensive plan is going to

17:00 ↗ reference the icap in this example here

17:03 ↗ is is there anything that would limit

17:07 ↗ the high cap from being revised modified

17:11 ↗ by making that connection

17:13 ↗ if you wanted to modify the goals and

17:16 ↗ policies yeah you would need to update

17:18 ↗ the conference plan too

17:19 ↗ but if you were wanting to change your

17:21 ↗ strategy or where you're prioritizing

17:24 ↗ your resources or even the actions you

17:27 ↗ only need to operate out of the icap

17:29 ↗ itself

17:30 ↗ and so that's really what we're trying

17:31 ↗ to get to is with that implementation

17:33 ↗ focus a lot of our efforts on getting

17:35 ↗ the icaps where we want it as well as

17:37 ↗ where we're prioritizing our business

17:42 ↗ any other questions

17:46 ↗ any questions online I can't really see

17:56 ↗ so what we heard back in April

17:59 ↗ the topic areas that we pulled from the

18:01 ↗ existing lab use element which is what

18:04 ↗ contained all the goals of policies from

18:06 ↗ the icap

18:08 ↗ the suggestions were to maintain the

18:10 ↗ natural environment preservation in this

18:12 ↗ new element to maintain climate change

18:15 ↗ and how we're addressing it into this

18:17 ↗ new element and then with the climate

18:19 ↗ vulnerability incorporate more of the

18:21 ↗ climate resiliency goals and polishes

18:24 ↗ that will be added now to that set of

18:26 ↗ policies and quotes

18:28 ↗ um the other feedback we heard from the

18:30 ↗ board was we we should be able to

18:31 ↗ address what how the other elements are

18:34 ↗ actually achieving some of this Vision

18:35 ↗ too

18:37 ↗ um some of the other men do contain

18:38 ↗ goals and policies that address climate

18:40 ↗ change for greenhouse gas emissions or a

18:44 ↗ reduction of vehicle miles traveled so

18:46 ↗ we want to be able to show that

18:48 ↗ relationship within the new element

18:49 ↗ explain where they can find them and so

18:52 ↗ we'll be looking to do that

18:54 ↗ the other feedback we heard is we want

18:56 ↗ to maintain a lot of those existing

18:58 ↗ goals and policies in those other

18:59 ↗ elements and not try to consolidate it

19:02 ↗ into the new element because it just

19:04 ↗ makes the most sense keep it in the

19:06 ↗ topic area that's maintained and it's

19:08 ↗ more effective when you're able to find

19:10 ↗ a transportation related policy in the

19:12 ↗ transportation element you know how it's

19:15 ↗ achieving or trying to achieve the

19:17 ↗ climate change goals that the city's

19:20 ↗ established for itself

19:21 ↗ the other feedback we got from the board

19:24 ↗ was establishing an ecological lens to

19:28 ↗ it as we're reviewing the comprehensive

19:30 ↗ plan for coordination across the

19:32 ↗ different policies but also as we're

19:34 ↗ looking at how we're achieving the

19:37 ↗ vision for the city making sure that

19:38 ↗ it's being addressed is there as well

19:40 ↗ and not just narrow to this Murrell

19:47 ↗ yes Joy

19:48 ↗ um I had a question about this I didn't

19:50 ↗ excluded um feedback when we were going

19:52 ↗ through Title 18 and we were linking

19:55 ↗ policy to code uh we found that

19:57 ↗ specifically regarding um bugs and heat

20:00 ↗ being able to have policy talked about

20:02 ↗ how much infill was coming in trips per

20:05 ↗ site and things like that was a little

20:07 ↗ uh more gray and we needed to be

20:09 ↗ addressed another time and when we talk

20:11 ↗ about kind of our policies being able to

20:13 ↗ give birth to our code I'm curious how

20:16 ↗ that's going to be able to be folded in

20:18 ↗ as in this kind of ecological lens we

20:21 ↗ know that there's a little bit of a

20:22 ↗ gray area a little bit of

20:24 ↗ a in some of these things and sometimes

20:27 ↗ that's a good place for us to start

20:29 ↗ talking about how we add policy in and

20:32 ↗ if there had been a discussion from

20:33 ↗ staff of kind of adding in some of those

20:35 ↗ elements we did talk about that

20:37 ↗ um

20:39 ↗ through Title 18 or that the project to

20:41 ↗ update Title 18 we

20:44 ↗ it's identified as one of the future

20:48 ↗ update items for Title 18 and so that's

20:50 ↗ actually something that we'll be

20:51 ↗ addressing in the future we decided it

20:53 ↗ was too detailed of a level for policies

20:56 ↗ to go into the conference plan whether

20:58 ↗ it should be as part of one of the

20:59 ↗ functional plans or the system plans

21:00 ↗ that look at how to really achieve

21:04 ↗ um what was discussed with title 80. it

21:07 ↗ may be um staff to look at how we kind

21:10 ↗ of break apart and have subsections of

21:12 ↗ our policy of being able to add a Polish

21:15 ↗ policy and that talks about and

21:16 ↗ reinforces the importance of integrating

21:19 ↗ that because right now it's kind of

21:20 ↗ lacking from our policy and so it's kind

21:22 ↗ of a jump step right now we know that

21:25 ↗ there's a funding we know that there's

21:26 ↗ an end route that needs to happen prior

21:28 ↗ and being able to kind of solidify that

21:31 ↗ with

21:32 ↗ a policy baby

21:34 ↗ okay

21:41 ↗ um yeah so this is just a little point

21:43 ↗ of curiosity for me so does the city use

21:46 ↗ any traceability tools to make sure that

21:49 ↗ a goal at the high level is implemented

21:53 ↗ in an action somewhere at the lower

21:55 ↗ level or policies in between these are

21:58 ↗ all connected and there are tools out

22:01 ↗ there that help you track that sort of

22:03 ↗ thing is that something does

22:04 ↗ historically the city hasn't done that

22:07 ↗ but more recently we've actually been

22:10 ↗ driving more towards a data

22:13 ↗ data-driven decision-making process and

22:15 ↗ so with this periodically that's

22:16 ↗ actually what we're trying to achieve is

22:18 ↗ being able to trace how a lot of the

22:20 ↗ actions are what's going into the budget

22:22 ↗ or what our work plans look like how

22:25 ↗ that traces back to the goals or even

22:26 ↗ the vision for the city so with this new

22:28 ↗ element we're hoping to create a lot of

22:30 ↗ those new relationships it'll from my

22:33 ↗ experience that's something that takes a

22:35 ↗ lot of time to really perfect so we

22:37 ↗ won't get it

22:38 ↗ done or perfect the first time but it is

22:41 ↗ something that we are actually working

22:42 ↗ towards

22:43 ↗ yeah well good it's a valuable tool and

22:46 ↗ it has to kind of get worked into the

22:48 ↗ process so that when uh weaknesses are

22:51 ↗ found or whatever you could use the the

22:54 ↗ uh the results of that tool to see well

22:56 ↗ how does that ripple from here to there

22:58 ↗ Etc where where did we miss something

23:00 ↗ and all that so yeah I'd be supportive

23:04 ↗ of moving forward with that sounds like

23:06 ↗ you're heading that direction well

23:08 ↗ that'll help us get there

23:11 ↗ any other questions

23:13 ↗ I might have one later okay

23:17 ↗ so the next topic for discussion is is

23:20 ↗ the new element title and wonder if we

23:22 ↗ can get feedback on this and what we

23:24 ↗ heard from uh the board at the April

23:28 ↗ meeting was and you know a blank title

23:30 ↗ of environment wasn't going to be

23:32 ↗ suitable enough which fully understand

23:34 ↗ so we wanted to throw out

23:37 ↗ um based on some of the language that we

23:39 ↗ found in the comprehensive plan now

23:42 ↗ what is are are we moving in the right

23:45 ↗ direction what language should we use

23:47 ↗ what should we not use and again we

23:50 ↗ haven't decided on anything this is

23:51 ↗ primarily just getting in the next step

23:53 ↗ of getting more feedback

23:56 ↗ um

23:57 ↗ yeah the word a word that I like is

24:00 ↗ stewardship so I would propose something

24:02 ↗ like natural environment stewardship but

24:04 ↗ I don't remember exactly where that word

24:06 ↗ has been used in some of the language uh

24:09 ↗ that motivated this whole this whole

24:12 ↗ process uh but it captures well the idea

24:15 ↗ well it's not about just preserving the

24:17 ↗ status quo it's about uh you know being

24:19 ↗ a good Steward to make it uh better if

24:23 ↗ it needs to be better and then since

24:25 ↗ it's more

24:27 ↗ reflecting on what our role as humans is

24:31 ↗ in this process of being good stewards

24:34 ↗ of the way

24:35 ↗ so that's that's my thought

24:38 ↗ s thank you

24:41 ↗ of those I like the third one and

24:43 ↗ environment

24:46 ↗ as I was looking at it I also thought

24:49 ↗ should like

24:53 ↗ something about

24:56 ↗ greenhouse gas reduction being there as

24:59 ↗ well so

25:02 ↗ agile environment

25:04 ↗ climate resilience and mitigation Maybe

25:07 ↗ just like that

25:11 ↗ but

25:13 ↗ Tom's word could be it was stewardship

25:16 ↗ right

25:18 ↗ uh yeah the issues of like uh the

25:22 ↗ environmental greenhouse gas reduction

25:25 ↗ see that's all part of being a good

25:27 ↗ story

25:28 ↗ yeah so it kind of catches those kinds

25:30 ↗ of things I think so it could be

25:33 ↗ environmental stewardship

25:38 ↗ resilience

25:44 ↗ uh yeah I have been brainstorming I um I

25:48 ↗ do support and really enjoy the work

25:50 ↗ stewardship I think that that's an

25:51 ↗ assistant way of doing it I had

25:53 ↗ apply and Preserve the natural world

25:56 ↗ um things like protecting the

25:57 ↗ environment

25:58 ↗ um environmental preservation enhancing

26:00 ↗ our natural world

26:02 ↗ um and would be a proponent of um maybe

26:04 ↗ using more direct language and make our

26:07 ↗ sister cities

26:08 ↗ in this

26:13 ↗ you don't know that you need the word

26:15 ↗ natural I think it's implied I think you

26:17 ↗ can just say environmental or

26:18 ↗ environment I like the stewardship idea

26:20 ↗ I think that sounds really good

26:23 ↗ environmental stewardship

26:27 ↗ and climate resilience because

26:30 ↗ the environmental stewardship

26:33 ↗ is part of the mitigation but the

26:37 ↗ climate resilience is a step more where

26:39 ↗ we're taking action to

26:42 ↗ um

26:43 ↗ put up places for people to go and it's

26:46 ↗ too hot

26:47 ↗ you know emergency stuff right

26:52 ↗ you said environmental stewardship with

26:54 ↗ climate resilience

26:55 ↗ that sounds kind of good

26:59 ↗ you're looking for an exact title I just

27:02 ↗ we're looking for thoughts we you know

27:05 ↗ we we knew what we we shouldn't be

27:07 ↗ including from the April meeting we

27:09 ↗ wasn't sure if we were kind of heading

27:11 ↗ to Mark with some of the suggestions so

27:12 ↗ this is actually really helpful

27:14 ↗ any other thoughts

27:18 ↗ okay

27:21 ↗ timing Next Step so right now we're

27:23 ↗ still in the analysis phase and engaging

27:25 ↗ much of the boards of commissions about

27:26 ↗ how investors will approach some of the

27:28 ↗ elements

27:29 ↗ um

27:30 ↗ and just as a brief reminder a lot of

27:34 ↗ the elements have already been updated

27:35 ↗ in the last few years and so much of the

27:37 ↗ discussion about goals and policies is

27:39 ↗ really going to be focused on just minor

27:43 ↗ changes to a lot of those elements or

27:46 ↗ for parks and economic development more

27:48 ↗ of development of their new plans as

27:51 ↗ part of the comprehensive plan so some

27:54 ↗ of these discussions are going to be a

27:55 ↗ little more focused rather than the

27:57 ↗ broader comprehensive plan so when we

27:59 ↗ have a couple questions it's more of

28:00 ↗ addressing any of the issues that some

28:02 ↗ of you might highlight in some of our

28:04 ↗ discussions that we'll be having

28:06 ↗ okay

28:10 ↗ oh and lastly for a process

28:13 ↗ um what you can expect at least with

28:14 ↗ this comprehensive we're working with a

28:16 ↗ lot all the boards commissions and with

28:18 ↗ their respective topics in the

28:20 ↗ conference plan to put together

28:21 ↗ recommendations in terms of what's going

28:24 ↗ to be changing within the comprehensive

28:27 ↗ line all that will be going to the PPC

28:29 ↗ or the planning policy commission to

28:31 ↗ review and who will ultimately make

28:34 ↗ final recommendations to the city

28:36 ↗ council thank you

28:38 ↗ planning policy commission's review of

28:40 ↗ the conference plan is actually a

28:41 ↗ requirement of the state which is why

28:43 ↗ it's set up this way but we are trying

28:45 ↗ to make this as friendly as possible

28:46 ↗ these important commissions to help

28:48 ↗ communicate any of those recommendations

28:50 ↗ to Bank policy as well through this

28:52 ↗ process so if you have any questions

28:53 ↗ about that please let me know

28:56 ↗ and then we discussed all this so that

28:59 ↗ actually concludes my presentation

29:05 ↗ yes I had a question it may be more

29:08 ↗ detailed than you were looking for but

29:09 ↗ there's somebody that popped out of me

29:11 ↗ so

29:12 ↗ um

29:14 ↗ on the Environmental

29:17 ↗ impact on the new one

29:20 ↗ uh there's housing and jobs and I

29:24 ↗ noticed that we're at like 104 of

29:27 ↗ hitting the target so we're beyond the

29:29 ↗ target for housing

29:32 ↗ we're we're beyond the target for the

29:35 ↗ year not our toll Target

29:39 ↗ and then for jobs it

29:44 ↗ the target we were like way off the

29:46 ↗ target

29:47 ↗ and so

29:49 ↗ I had a few questions about that so what

29:52 ↗ one thing is is what does there is a

29:55 ↗ chart where it said commercial

29:57 ↗ um

29:58 ↗ takes one acre

30:01 ↗ job capacity would be 89

30:04 ↗ um Industrial

30:06 ↗ takes 12.5 acres and that would be 280

30:09 ↗ jobs and mixed use is

30:12 ↗ 244.3 acres and 20 738 jobs so what is

30:17 ↗ the mixed use is that what was read on a

30:21 ↗ map that was farther down so like stores

30:24 ↗ storefronts and stuff yeah typically the

30:26 ↗ mixed use is going to be

30:29 ↗ um you know residential top with ground

30:31 ↗ retail sometimes it'll be gravity till

30:34 ↗ commercial middle and residential top it

30:36 ↗ really is it's mainly just explaining

30:38 ↗ this the combination of different things

30:42 ↗ so I noticed it was just in a specific

30:45 ↗ area So when you say

30:49 ↗ um

30:49 ↗ residential so a lot of people are

30:51 ↗ working

30:52 ↗ and when the growth management Act was

30:55 ↗ written

30:57 ↗ we weren't doing so much

30:59 ↗ um virtual community right and that is

31:04 ↗ um that's a big part of it and I know

31:07 ↗ that they talk about it at the UTC and

31:10 ↗ stuff like that's that we want to

31:12 ↗ promote that and um because there's a

31:16 ↗ lot of infrastructure that needs to be

31:17 ↗ built

31:18 ↗ you know roads and

31:22 ↗ just new lanes and

31:24 ↗ off ramps and then buildings so that's a

31:28 ↗ lot of energy so

31:31 ↗ do we need so how important is it do you

31:35 ↗ feel a lot of pressure to as a city to

31:37 ↗ hit those targets so that you can get

31:40 ↗ grants or

31:42 ↗ are you talking about the growth targets

31:44 ↗ so like the number of housing units it's

31:48 ↗ primarily of just that's us setting a

31:50 ↗ goal so one thing to consider is we have

31:53 ↗ a building Capacity Analysis as part of

31:55 ↗ the comprehensive plan and the total

31:58 ↗ capacity that we could do based on our

32:00 ↗ zoning today could be a total of about

32:03 ↗ 12 000 new housing units in the city

32:06 ↗ our growth Target for housing we've set

32:10 ↗ at 3 000 000 units I well it was by 2035

32:14 ↗ would now be 2044. and all the other

32:18 ↗ cities have set very similar housing

32:20 ↗ targets to go for it's not necessity

32:22 ↗ that says how much population will grow

32:24 ↗ is primarily the same this is what we're

32:27 ↗ aiming for and encouraging for in terms

32:28 ↗ of Development coming into the city and

32:31 ↗ um most of that is going to be primarily

32:33 ↗ or it's encouraged to be primarily in

32:35 ↗ central is equal for much of the growth

32:38 ↗ for now

32:40 ↗ so do you think it would help us

32:43 ↗ um

32:43 ↗ reach our climate goals if we encourage

32:46 ↗ more telecommunity and virtual so giving

32:49 ↗ people credit for working at home

32:53 ↗ and I didn't see that in the equation at

32:55 ↗ all so there's a lot of people in

32:57 ↗ Issaquah that

32:59 ↗ maybe we could be counting because they

33:02 ↗ have home offices now they might

33:04 ↗ they used to go into the office in

33:07 ↗ Seattle or Redmond or someplace else but

33:09 ↗ now they're here so

33:12 ↗ that might help us return Target

33:17 ↗ it depends on the target we're talking

33:18 ↗ about the jobs Target the jobs Target

33:22 ↗ potentially the state so the state is

33:25 ↗ actually has been discussing how they

33:28 ↗ evaluate the workforce because work from

33:31 ↗ home has become a lot more prominent

33:34 ↗ but some of that is Shifting in the

33:36 ↗ other direction now more recently a lot

33:38 ↗ of the larger corporations or businesses

33:40 ↗ in the region have been shifting them at

33:42 ↗ having their employees come into the

33:45 ↗ office a lot more and so a lot of people

33:48 ↗ are still trying to monitor to see where

33:49 ↗ this actually lands or what direction it

33:51 ↗ might be heading out is is it going to

33:53 ↗ be a split hybrid model for a lot of

33:55 ↗ these businesses or is it going to be

33:57 ↗ focused on

33:59 ↗ um promoting more of the work from home

34:02 ↗ and what that means so that'll actually

34:03 ↗ help us determine what our targets

34:06 ↗ should be because if we're looking at

34:07 ↗ our our commute to production targets

34:10 ↗ we've exceeded that with all the work

34:12 ↗ from home shift during the pandemic

34:16 ↗ um by a lot but if we're just looking at

34:19 ↗ greenhouse gas emissions when people

34:21 ↗ shifted from Green from working from

34:23 ↗ home other people shifted from transit

34:26 ↗ to now driving their cars and so now you

34:29 ↗ have this complete shift in travel

34:31 ↗ behavior for a lot of the communities in

34:33 ↗ this line around us that is now changing

34:36 ↗ how we are now gauging where a lot of

34:40 ↗ the greenhouse gas emissions are coming

34:42 ↗ from

34:43 ↗ and so

34:44 ↗ keyboard is now starting to come back to

34:46 ↗ Transit and people are now starting to

34:48 ↗ go back to the office are we shifting

34:50 ↗ back or is it going to be something in

34:51 ↗ the middle that we're going to land on

34:54 ↗ right and like well we don't have any

34:56 ↗ control over what other cities like

34:58 ↗ Seattle that is like I don't know if it

35:00 ↗ was Seattle or

35:02 ↗ somebody else who encouraged companies

35:05 ↗ to ask people to come back to work

35:07 ↗ um

35:09 ↗ as a city we might be able to work with

35:12 ↗ the businesses here to say hey we

35:15 ↗ encourage you to help us reach our

35:19 ↗ climate

35:20 ↗ goals and encourage you to um if you

35:24 ↗ want people to come back and have the

35:26 ↗ different businesses

35:29 ↗ do it on different days so that it

35:33 ↗ what they did in Seattle is terrible

35:36 ↗ because now they just traffic went real

35:39 ↗ crazy again

35:41 ↗ so just some thoughts yeah no I think

35:43 ↗ these are great thoughts and and all in

35:46 ↗ our wheelhouse in terms of like what we

35:48 ↗ could like to talk about so if you have

35:50 ↗ more thoughts like this we'd love to

35:52 ↗ talk about how we can best address some

35:54 ↗ of the issues or difference in issues

35:56 ↗ now that

35:58 ↗ world has changed quite a bit since the

36:00 ↗ last time we went through a periodic

36:01 ↗ update do we need to look at different

36:03 ↗ targets so please send us more if you

36:07 ↗ know questions about this kind of things

36:10 ↗ so I in the interest of time I'll

36:13 ↗ if you have any other follow-up

36:14 ↗ questions please let me know you can

36:16 ↗ send me an email

36:22 ↗ I am on the calendar to come back

36:26 ↗ all right well there's nothing else I

36:28 ↗ will head out thank you all

36:32 ↗ right thanks good to see you again yeah

36:34 ↗ it's good to see you

36:37 ↗ okay next up is uh the natural

36:39 ↗ environmental checklist it's our annual

36:41 ↗ review of the checklist and Christian's

36:43 ↗ going to be walking us through this one

36:45 ↗ welcome Christian

36:47 ↗ thank you can everybody hear me okay

36:49 ↗ yeah great uh yeah I'm Christian Goetz

36:52 ↗ I'm the current planning manager and

36:54 ↗ this is the uh annual check-in on the

36:58 ↗ natural environment environmental

37:00 ↗ checklist

37:02 ↗ um

37:03 ↗ since we met last year there have been

37:05 ↗ no projects that have required to come

37:08 ↗ have been required to complete the

37:10 ↗ checklist which is why I don't have a

37:12 ↗ presentation to kind of run through of

37:14 ↗ what are we talking about as far as

37:16 ↗ who's who's come through

37:19 ↗ um what are there any conditions to kind

37:22 ↗ of Truth out the the checklist as well

37:26 ↗ there aren't any projects that have been

37:28 ↗ completed so kind of those two

37:29 ↗ benchmarks of new project in gone

37:32 ↗ through the check you know provided the

37:33 ↗ information on the checklist

37:36 ↗ and then the wrap up uh phase so really

37:40 ↗ this is a an opportunity to run through

37:44 ↗ the checklist with the the changes that

37:46 ↗ have happened since last year

37:50 ↗ um I'll pull up on the screen a version

37:52 ↗ that has the track changes which is a

37:54 ↗ little bit easier to see than scrolling

37:55 ↗ back and forth or kind of toggling back

37:57 ↗ and forth between

37:59 ↗ um Pages 42 and the the pages prior

38:02 ↗ which might be good to kind of recognize

38:05 ↗ what we added in there uh to the

38:08 ↗ checklist based on the comments as well

38:09 ↗ as the just general cleanup based on the

38:14 ↗ title 18

38:15 ↗ amendments so we no longer do a

38:19 ↗ neighborhood meeting and a community

38:20 ↗ meeting we merge that together into one

38:24 ↗ pre-application community meeting

38:27 ↗ where in this checklist is going to be

38:29 ↗ completed

38:31 ↗ um so why don't I pull that up at least

38:34 ↗ to have for conversation purposes

38:38 ↗ um

38:39 ↗ so really what I'm looking for tonight

38:42 ↗ is any thoughts on what's been done to

38:45 ↗ the checklist since the last time

38:48 ↗ and any any input so following what the

38:53 ↗ the duties and responsibilities of the

38:56 ↗ environmental board

38:57 ↗ provide that feedback on the checklist

39:00 ↗ and then see if there's anything else

39:02 ↗ that could be added that would help

39:04 ↗ identify and inform uh policy potential

39:08 ↗ policy changes into the future which

39:11 ↗ obviously is tough with Title 18 just

39:13 ↗ wrapping up but uh never a bad time to

39:16 ↗ kind of run through run through this

39:20 ↗ after we kind of run through this I do

39:22 ↗ want to chat about the spreadsheet which

39:23 ↗ was the the final attachment to this

39:27 ↗ item

39:28 ↗ but just kind of open it up right now to

39:31 ↗ questions on

39:34 ↗ the checklist as it stands today

39:38 ↗ um and see if there's any input there

39:42 ↗ could you make it larger yeah

39:46 ↗ single page

39:49 ↗ and maybe maximize on your screen

39:51 ↗ because we're seeing a couple different

39:53 ↗ dots documents

39:55 ↗ you didn't get draft changes right no I

39:58 ↗ think when I pdf'd it for some reason

40:00 ↗ they disappeared

40:02 ↗ so that's my Christian's gonna walk

40:04 ↗ through you have this document but I

40:06 ↗ don't think it showed the track changes

40:07 ↗ and you've got the old one for some

40:09 ↗ reason the packages didn't remain sure

40:13 ↗ sure so

40:15 ↗ the majority on the first page I'll go

40:17 ↗ through real quick these these were just

40:20 ↗ code the code to update edits so there's

40:23 ↗ there were no changes to the uh you know

40:26 ↗ the reasoning behind this uh into the

40:30 ↗ checklist

40:31 ↗ uh this initial section these were

40:34 ↗ changes based on on code updates and

40:37 ↗ then

40:38 ↗ um

40:39 ↗ adding in

40:41 ↗ sort of based on recommendations

40:43 ↗ when there is a stream or a wetland what

40:47 ↗ is the buffer condition that's often you

40:50 ↗ know it's something that we we often

40:51 ↗ will get with what we will always get

40:53 ↗ with a write-up but

40:56 ↗ in talking with the board last year uh

41:00 ↗ what being able to take the current

41:02 ↗ condition and then when the project is

41:04 ↗ completed did you go from a low

41:06 ↗ functioning Wetland and Wetland buffer

41:08 ↗ to a high functioning with all the

41:10 ↗ mitigation that occurred uh or was it

41:12 ↗ currently uh a rare but maybe

41:16 ↗ well-functioning moderate to high

41:18 ↗ functioning uh buffer so kind of adding

41:21 ↗ in some additional points that

41:23 ↗ help within the the preliminary

41:26 ↗ conversations

41:28 ↗ were added in here

41:33 ↗ um additionally just you know for

41:35 ↗ shorelines is what's the current

41:36 ↗ condition is it armored or is it natural

41:38 ↗ just kind of

41:41 ↗ triggering the the conversation

41:44 ↗ um and highlighting those those items

41:46 ↗ which will relate to the

41:49 ↗ that spreadsheet later on

41:55 ↗ and then this question number two was

41:58 ↗ added has there been a peer review

42:00 ↗ obviously if it's very early on in a

42:03 ↗ project they may not have had a project

42:06 ↗ a report that could be peer-reviewed but

42:08 ↗ if it had been

42:10 ↗ um we definitely would be able to

42:13 ↗ provide some information provide those

42:15 ↗ materials

42:17 ↗ at

42:19 ↗ the pre-application community meeting

42:21 ↗ which would be

42:24 ↗ I think something the community would

42:26 ↗ want sounded like it was something the

42:27 ↗ board wanted last year so we threw that

42:29 ↗ in there

42:35 ↗ and then on this page a few additions

42:40 ↗ um

42:40 ↗ getting into a little bit more of the

42:42 ↗ specifics

42:44 ↗ on question two does it propose to

42:47 ↗ enhance

42:48 ↗ include some values so such as square

42:50 ↗ footages of structures or improvements

42:52 ↗ that are removed are you tearing down a

42:55 ↗ building and removing it from a buffer

42:58 ↗ what uh how big was it what's being

43:01 ↗ improved there

43:04 ↗ and then getting into some some

43:06 ↗ specifics on lighting

43:08 ↗ and then

43:10 ↗ I suppose question number five could

43:12 ↗ could be expanded into question five and

43:14 ↗ six with where their materials provided

43:17 ↗ but really looking at did they provide a

43:21 ↗ a view corridor assessment with photo

43:24 ↗ simulations of what the structures may

43:26 ↗ look like

43:27 ↗ did they start to at this very early

43:31 ↗ stage begin to analyze

43:33 ↗ if we're going to construct a building

43:35 ↗ of certain size

43:38 ↗ will there be any any impacts to the the

43:42 ↗ scenic resources that are within that

43:45 ↗ that immediacy or even a little further

43:47 ↗ out so it kind of depends on the scale

43:49 ↗ of the of the structure

43:51 ↗ so those were those are what we added

43:53 ↗ based on last year's input

43:55 ↗ um

43:57 ↗ and if there's anything you see there

43:59 ↗ that you like don't like

44:02 ↗ this is this is a good opportunity to

44:04 ↗ kind of talk through it

44:10 ↗ Tom

44:13 ↗ uh so I have some comments about the

44:16 ↗ general

44:16 ↗ philosophy of process Improvement

44:21 ↗ um a process Improvement mantra

44:24 ↗ plan do check acts you know this is

44:28 ↗ textbook uh process of improvement

44:30 ↗ parlance uh so all right this this uh

44:34 ↗ review right now by the environmental

44:36 ↗ board is is one of those sorts of things

44:38 ↗ that can be categorized in the check

44:41 ↗ um a part of the process but what I'd

44:44 ↗ like to see here is built into the

44:47 ↗ process with the participants of the

44:50 ↗ projects a post-project review sometimes

44:54 ↗ called Lessons Learned review

44:57 ↗ which looks over things at the end and

45:00 ↗ said well okay what went well what

45:03 ↗ didn't go well both from an

45:04 ↗ environmental perspective and a process

45:07 ↗ perspective and then that feedback

45:10 ↗ advises and causes updates maybe to the

45:14 ↗ process and things are approved from

45:18 ↗ there so it's more close to the people

45:20 ↗ who are actually involved in the

45:21 ↗ projects you get you know good good

45:24 ↗ feedback uh hopefully from that sort of

45:28 ↗ thing now the checklist

45:30 ↗ you could have an item at the end of the

45:32 ↗ set class who was there a post project

45:34 ↗ review but it it shouldn't be the thing

45:37 ↗ which causes it to happen that should

45:39 ↗ couple back to the procedure that it's

45:42 ↗ related to

45:43 ↗ um so there there would be some more

45:46 ↗ wordage word somewhere at the higher

45:48 ↗ level that says there shall be a

45:51 ↗ post-project review uh so that's uh

45:54 ↗ that's my comment

45:57 ↗ great

45:58 ↗ job

46:00 ↗ thank you Don it's nice to see you

46:02 ↗ Christian

46:03 ↗ um I am going to start with piggybacking

46:05 ↗ a little bit on what Tom was saying um

46:07 ↗ from the perspective of the creation of

46:10 ↗ this board

46:11 ↗ um I recall PPC fighting very hard for

46:13 ↗ there to be a regular review of this

46:16 ↗ checklist so that the people who are

46:18 ↗ closest to it were able to be able to

46:19 ↗ adapt in a very real time to it

46:22 ↗ um I didn't quite get that from this now

46:24 ↗ second or third touch of the checklist

46:26 ↗ and I think what it may be helpful to do

46:28 ↗ is to think about well we haven't really

46:30 ↗ don't have a lot of feedback on real

46:31 ↗ world conditions but we can simulate

46:33 ↗ that we can plug in projects that went

46:35 ↗ well that didn't go well and be able to

46:38 ↗ adapt it to that similar to the way that

46:40 ↗ we kind of test out code ahead of time

46:42 ↗ we can be testing out our checklist I

46:44 ↗ think in a way that gives us a little

46:46 ↗ bit more feedback than we have right now

46:48 ↗ without being too strenuous I think on

46:50 ↗ on time constraints from staff so I

46:53 ↗ would like to see a little bit of a dive

46:55 ↗ I was thinking about

46:56 ↗ um how can we take a project that was

46:58 ↗ accessible and one that wasn't applying

46:59 ↗ the checklist and seeing and simulating

47:02 ↗ um kind of an example of how we can get

47:04 ↗ that feedback is interesting

47:06 ↗ um similar to my comments that I gave

47:08 ↗ Stephen we have identified that we have

47:10 ↗ gaps in our code that need to be

47:12 ↗ addressed and for instance things with

47:15 ↗ um bugs and Pete

47:17 ↗ um being able to actually have a place

47:19 ↗ in this checklist to be able to be

47:21 ↗ addressed as absent and I would like to

47:23 ↗ see it included I'd like to see language

47:25 ↗ too that talks about the natural soil

47:27 ↗ that's being removed being estimated and

47:30 ↗ how much fill we're bringing in right

47:31 ↗ now there's a detail that um Insight

47:34 ↗ planning should be known but isn't

47:36 ↗ necessarily covered in this checklist

47:37 ↗ and I think it would be relevant I'd

47:39 ↗ also like to see on page 43 I mentioned

47:42 ↗ about compliance with our model lighting

47:43 ↗ ordinance which is newly adapted and so

47:46 ↗ rather than just talking about

47:48 ↗ um

47:49 ↗ actually kind of going in real time

47:51 ↗ obviously there are different

47:52 ↗ expectations and things we haven't code

47:54 ↗ about when developers are shutting down

47:56 ↗ sites for the night and back on

47:58 ↗ neighborhood and things like that but it

47:59 ↗ would be nice to be able to see our new

48:01 ↗ model lighting ordinance um uh reference

48:04 ↗ not just the the critical air the light

48:06 ↗ to critical areas being referenced

48:08 ↗ um we also a lot of the language talks

48:10 ↗ about critical areas which is pretty

48:12 ↗ vital but

48:13 ↗ um it kind of leaves out other areas

48:15 ↗ then maybe we don't view as critical as

48:17 ↗ being gay it's okay

48:18 ↗ weapons so I like an example here of um

48:22 ↗ well where where is it estimated that

48:24 ↗ water runoff is going to go on site

48:25 ↗ right now we only have language that

48:27 ↗ talks about it in the critical area is

48:29 ↗ it being diverted to the critical area

48:30 ↗ which is I don't want to take that away

48:32 ↗ however I think it would be if it's on

48:35 ↗ the onus of the checklist to be able to

48:37 ↗ say where are you expecting your water

48:39 ↗ runoff is going to be going even if it's

48:41 ↗ not towards a critical area so that

48:43 ↗ every project is evaluating right

48:46 ↗ um what's happening

48:48 ↗ um grounding filtration you know is it

48:50 ↗ going to a culvert a roadway

48:52 ↗ um

48:53 ↗ so I appreciate your comment about View

48:55 ↗ Corridor assessment that's something

48:56 ↗ that was needed and I'm just hoping to

49:00 ↗ expand the checklist to include not just

49:03 ↗ our critical areas but talking to about

49:05 ↗ what are the expectations on site so

49:07 ↗ that it's easier to identify hey this is

49:10 ↗ um not fulfilling what our expectation

49:13 ↗ is and be able to catch it sooner thank

49:15 ↗ you thank you thank you Joy

49:19 ↗ um I would Echo both Joy and Tom's

49:21 ↗ comments in that I think this needs to

49:23 ↗ be ground-proofed a little bit more um I

49:26 ↗ know you haven't had an opportunity to

49:28 ↗ really run as much projects through it

49:29 ↗ over the last year and that's

49:31 ↗ unfortunate and so if you have time or

49:34 ↗ if you can figure out a way to do kind

49:36 ↗ of a lock setup that would be

49:37 ↗ interesting it might be a nice exercise

49:41 ↗ sure

49:44 ↗ yeah one and one of the the tricky

49:47 ↗ pieces about this checklist is that it

49:49 ↗ is

49:49 ↗ intended to be very you know to be

49:52 ↗ managed at the at the very preliminary

49:54 ↗ stages of a project

49:56 ↗ um to to in

49:58 ↗ to to press upon an applicant these are

50:02 ↗ the important factors to to consider and

50:05 ↗ how you're designing your project and

50:09 ↗ what you have to comply with uh so it

50:12 ↗ can take some time before they've gone

50:14 ↗ through and analyzed a lot of these

50:16 ↗ things to know okay how do I manage

50:20 ↗ um or how much fill or or you know in

50:23 ↗ import or removal is needed

50:26 ↗ um

50:28 ↗ and kind of segueing into the the

50:29 ↗ spreadsheet intent you know by capturing

50:33 ↗ these items and adjusting them as a

50:37 ↗ project shifts so the example in the

50:41 ↗ packet had the Milano project well that

50:43 ↗ was its initial Proposal with so many

50:47 ↗ units I think a 25 reduction you know

50:50 ↗ that project has morphed over time it's

50:53 ↗ fewer units it's I think a 17 buffer

50:56 ↗ reduction and and a few other changes

50:59 ↗ but as a project is completed we can see

51:02 ↗ internally what's happened so we can you

51:06 ↗ know as part of a reporting out back to

51:09 ↗ you all

51:10 ↗ here's what the project was you know

51:12 ↗ here's the change you know here's their

51:14 ↗ their changes in the one way or the

51:17 ↗ other of more uh more buffer

51:20 ↗ enhancements less buffer enhancements

51:22 ↗ depending on what the code requires

51:23 ↗ here's how they're in line with the code

51:25 ↗ and then that can help

51:27 ↗ provide information to the board as well

51:30 ↗ as assist in future uh

51:35 ↗ code update uh processes if if needed

51:39 ↗ where we can say here's where here's

51:41 ↗ where we're seeing

51:43 ↗ um Improvement and here's where we're

51:44 ↗ seeing room for improvement based on

51:47 ↗ completed projects

51:54 ↗ okay one comment on the spreadsheet I

51:57 ↗ find it very hard to follow so I

52:00 ↗ consider reformatting it to something

52:02 ↗ that's a little more

52:04 ↗ yeah it was it was more just

52:07 ↗ um

52:08 ↗ a a simplistic approach to tracking

52:12 ↗ um I've I've dealt with with tracking of

52:15 ↗ of Shoreline improvements monitoring

52:19 ↗ project after project over the course of

52:21 ↗ 10 years and adding in even you know the

52:23 ↗ every tree that's added every you know

52:26 ↗ overwater structure removed by square

52:28 ↗ foot and then after 10 years you show

52:32 ↗ here's how many acres of native

52:34 ↗ vegetation we've installed here's how

52:36 ↗ much over water structures we've removed

52:37 ↗ is that good enough or do we you know

52:40 ↗ did we want to tweak that code a little

52:42 ↗ more uh to consider

52:45 ↗ greater incentive you know are there are

52:47 ↗ there carrots or sticks that we want to

52:48 ↗ put towards that so that was kind of the

52:51 ↗ intent behind what will help staff have

52:53 ↗ something to you know utilize to make

52:57 ↗ sure we're catching everything and then

52:59 ↗ we have something to to come back to

53:00 ↗ this board to to report out on so

53:04 ↗ okay

53:06 ↗ any other questions for Christian today

53:11 ↗ all right thank you Christian thank you

53:12 ↗ very much have a good evening

53:17 ↗ all right Next Step we're going to hear

53:19 ↗ about the super master plan update and

53:21 ↗ Matt is going to walk us through that we

53:23 ↗ also have Evan and Julie online

53:29 ↗ go ahead and figure out a share real

53:31 ↗ quick

53:39 ↗ there we go okay

53:41 ↗ good evening Matt Alice the Public Works

53:44 ↗ utility engineering manager

53:47 ↗ and today yeah we're talking about the

53:49 ↗ Sewer Master Plan provided an update and

53:51 ↗ we're going to talk specifically about

53:53 ↗ some of the policies that we're

53:54 ↗ considering for the master plan

53:58 ↗ uh for a quick agenda we're going to go

54:00 ↗ through the timeline uh from now until

54:02 ↗ we adopt the plan and go through a quick

54:05 ↗ background about uh where the plan began

54:08 ↗ and how we're been developing it give a

54:11 ↗ quick overview of the master plan and

54:14 ↗ then the policies that we're considering

54:16 ↗ uh we'll go over very quickly the

54:19 ↗ on-site septic system code revisions

54:21 ↗ we've talked I've brought this before

54:23 ↗ the environmental board back and way

54:25 ↗ back in February and then mobility and

54:28 ↗ infrastructure committee so we won't

54:29 ↗ have anything

54:31 ↗ necessarily new to present on that but I

54:33 ↗ will provide since there's a few new uh

54:36 ↗ board members we'll bring that up again

54:38 ↗ and then we'll talk about surcharge and

54:40 ↗ capacity capacity protocol CIP

54:43 ↗ development and then that's oils and

54:45 ↗ grease policies

54:49 ↗ so uh we are here in July and going to

54:53 ↗ provide just the the draft of the the

54:56 ↗ policies that we're discussing uh in

54:59 ↗ September we'll be going to Mobility

55:00 ↗ infrastructure again to talk about the

55:03 ↗ Consolidated master plan uh then we'll

55:06 ↗ be going to see uh going for cebra

55:07 ↗ review uh and code revisions uh putting

55:11 ↗ in all the red line code and then our

55:13 ↗ hope is to get this through Council in

55:16 ↗ October and submit to the Department of

55:18 ↗ ecology in November for adoption by the

55:21 ↗ end of the year that's our goal

55:25 ↗ so a little bit of background

55:26 ↗ uh the city of the city's Sewer Master

55:29 ↗ Plan was last updated in 2002. we've

55:32 ↗ grown from a town of 11 000 people to

55:34 ↗ about uh to nearly 40 000 residents

55:37 ↗ including mixed use large commercial in

55:39 ↗ the large commercial District large

55:41 ↗ sections of the city were either built

55:43 ↗ or Incorporated since the last sewer

55:45 ↗ matchup plan was developed uh we were in

55:47 ↗ desperate need to evaluate our system

55:49 ↗ one of the first steps in creating a new

55:51 ↗ master plan was developing and

55:53 ↗ calibrating our hydraulic model

55:55 ↗ this allowed us to determine how certain

55:57 ↗ demands both current and future growth

55:59 ↗ impacted our system as well as

56:01 ↗ evaluating the effect of intrusion and

56:04 ↗ infiltration commonly known as ini as on

56:07 ↗ the system this is where Storm surface

56:09 ↗ or groundwater unintentionally enters

56:11 ↗ our sewer system

56:13 ↗ ini has a major impact on sewer capacity

56:15 ↗ and can create environmental concerns of

56:17 ↗ a large connection is identified and

56:20 ↗ creates costly Downstream Downstream

56:22 ↗ treatment which is managed by King

56:24 ↗ County

56:26 ↗ also are systems have ini and the goal

56:29 ↗ is to effectively manage and reduce the

56:30 ↗ amount of ini entering the sewer system

56:32 ↗ uh we can know we can't get rid of it

56:35 ↗ all but we can reduce it work included

56:38 ↗ in installing flow meters and

56:39 ↗ identifying flows and calibrating and

56:41 ↗ recalibrating the model finally we said

56:43 ↗ about identifying a model store that we

56:46 ↗ felt our system should be able to handle

56:51 ↗ so here's our system all the red lines

56:55 ↗ are our sewer pipes uh the gray is smash

56:59 ↗ Plateau water district so we don't serve

57:02 ↗ the entire city uh a third of the city

57:05 ↗ is served by Spanish Plateau so we're

57:08 ↗ focusing primarily on our system

57:12 ↗ uh at first we provided our consultant

57:14 ↗ with our GI system in a series of record

57:16 ↗ drawings so they can help calibrate our

57:18 ↗ system we've been set about uh um

57:20 ↗ utilizing recently determined water

57:22 ↗ system demands from our water system

57:24 ↗ master plan uh

57:27 ↗ and and checking pipe slopes evaluating

57:31 ↗ estimated flow rates this developed our

57:33 ↗ dry weather conditions that we could

57:34 ↗ evaluate compared to our dry weather

57:36 ↗ flow meter data

57:38 ↗ uh this then helped calibrate our system

57:40 ↗ uh we made sure that the meters were in

57:42 ↗ place for a series of storm events see

57:44 ↗ our systems performed during this period

57:46 ↗ we had two relatively major storm events

57:49 ↗ during the uh the period it was in uh up

57:52 ↗ to the 10 year storm event and this

57:54 ↗ supports our ini calibration

57:57 ↗ and then we made sure our flow meters

57:58 ↗ were all distributed uh to be we're

58:01 ↗ located in every major Basin within the

58:03 ↗ city and uh

58:07 ↗ this helped providing the best

58:09 ↗ calibration we use about 10 meters for

58:11 ↗ about six months well the final step was

58:13 ↗ determine if surcharging was occurring

58:15 ↗ during any of these uh measured events

58:17 ↗ and comparing those storm events with a

58:20 ↗ modeled storm that we felt the system

58:22 ↗ shouldn't be able to handle

58:25 ↗ so again this is our system

58:27 ↗ um based on uh Basin flow Basin uh you

58:31 ↗ can hardly see the blue is the pipes

58:34 ↗ that we actually modeled

58:36 ↗ um and so we didn't do every pipe just

58:39 ↗ the major pipes and the ones that had

58:41 ↗ the most amount of flow and drained in

58:43 ↗ them it would have been too costly to

58:45 ↗ model the entire system

58:49 ↗ uh we also evaluated uh

58:52 ↗ see

58:54 ↗ so I guess that's all I'm going to talk

58:56 ↗ about for the calibration we'll get back

58:58 ↗ to that as we talk about some of the

58:59 ↗ policy on that next step is about

59:03 ↗ um our policy topics

59:06 ↗ at you want questions as we go yes

59:08 ↗ please no you absolutely

59:10 ↗ a long presentation so yes go ahead

59:13 ↗ so you mentioned test storms

59:16 ↗ yes

59:19 ↗ those storms and x amount larger than

59:22 ↗ any server there had before or

59:24 ↗ that's a good question I will actually

59:25 ↗ get back to that

59:27 ↗ um because we'll get into how we

59:28 ↗ evaluated this the storm that our system

59:31 ↗ should handle again this is not our

59:34 ↗ storm system this is our sewer but we do

59:36 ↗ unintentionally get storm water in there

59:39 ↗ and so it needs to be able to handle

59:40 ↗ that storm and so uh when I get into

59:42 ↗ that I'll talk about

59:46 ↗ so I should have done that second the

59:48 ↗ first part but we're going backwards and

59:51 ↗ we're going to talk about on-site septic

59:52 ↗ systems so that's our first policy topic

59:55 ↗ uh the second is maintaining sewer

59:58 ↗ system capacity which is influence

1:00:00 ↗ infiltration capacity impacts and then

1:00:03 ↗ developer capacity impacts and then

1:00:05 ↗ finally we'll talk about fats oils and

1:00:07 ↗ grease

1:00:10 ↗ so on-site septic

1:00:27 ↗ okay

1:00:28 ↗ so the on-site septic system coder

1:00:30 ↗ visions and policy was brought before

1:00:32 ↗ the environmental board in February uh

1:00:34 ↗ the first few slides is just a brief

1:00:36 ↗ summary like I said

1:00:37 ↗ um and why why did we update uh it was a

1:00:40 ↗ priority of council and community and

1:00:42 ↗ wanted to standardize the on-site

1:00:44 ↗ subject Management program

1:00:46 ↗ we had the responsibility to protect

1:00:47 ↗ human health in the environment and

1:00:49 ↗ there's a tmdl a total maximum daily

1:00:51 ↗ load of fecal coliforms in this squat

1:00:54 ↗ crate that we needed to manage our goals

1:00:56 ↗ is to protect the health and safety of

1:00:57 ↗ the City of Issaquah residents

1:00:59 ↗ businesses and visitors to protect the

1:01:01 ↗ environment and the quality of Issaquah

1:01:02 ↗ Lakes streams and groundwater and every

1:01:05 ↗ responsible water stewards for future

1:01:07 ↗ Generations

1:01:08 ↗ foreign

1:01:18 ↗ code chapter 13 uh which is involving

1:01:23 ↗ involving inspections reporting

1:01:25 ↗ definitions connection requirements

1:01:27 ↗ connection waivers and enforcement

1:01:30 ↗ we're also formalizing an on-site septic

1:01:32 ↗ system management program

1:01:34 ↗ uh

1:01:36 ↗ and uh this requires all subject systems

1:01:39 ↗ within the city to be inspected by a

1:01:41 ↗ licensed inspector to verify if a system

1:01:43 ↗ is functioning correctly and make

1:01:45 ↗ proactive improvements when necessary

1:01:47 ↗ we're also creating a stream monitoring

1:01:49 ↗ program uh this is due to the Department

1:01:52 ↗ of ecology implementing a total maximum

1:01:55 ↗ daily load for people call forms onto

1:01:57 ↗ School Creek the program is in place to

1:02:00 ↗ complete stream sampling for fecal forms

1:02:02 ↗ throughout the city and this is a silver

1:02:06 ↗ year process uh to complete the entire

1:02:09 ↗ sampling we have completed eight samples

1:02:11 ↗ so far throughout the city in 2022 and

1:02:14 ↗ 2023.

1:02:16 ↗ the locations were selected near

1:02:17 ↗ unsewered neighborhoods

1:02:22 ↗ foreign

1:02:26 ↗ forms above the total maximum daily load

1:02:29 ↗ on multiple occasions and at multiple

1:02:31 ↗ locations we are still evaluating uh

1:02:34 ↗ there are a lot there's a lot of

1:02:34 ↗ contributing factors and so we can't

1:02:36 ↗ dial this down to just on-site septic

1:02:38 ↗ systems but it is a point that we need

1:02:40 ↗ to to consider and help it helps us

1:02:43 ↗ evaluate

1:02:45 ↗ ah here we go ahead um I was curious uh

1:02:49 ↗ when we talk about this dichotomy right

1:02:51 ↗ of the Aging septic systems and then

1:02:55 ↗ being neighbor to so many communities

1:02:57 ↗ that are in the greater Issaquah area

1:02:59 ↗ that are built on hillsides and utilize

1:03:01 ↗ septic systems right I'm thinking of

1:03:03 ↗ Fairmont things like this that will

1:03:05 ↗ impact Downstream is aqua Creek how are

1:03:08 ↗ we thinking about

1:03:09 ↗ um

1:03:10 ↗ connection specifically

1:03:13 ↗ um for neighboring communities and

1:03:15 ↗ youths for impacting those

1:03:18 ↗ levels are you talking about Upstream

1:03:21 ↗ communities Upstream well and then I

1:03:23 ↗ mean basically surround

1:03:24 ↗ s right we were kind of all the way

1:03:26 ↗ around here that's true yeah and that's

1:03:28 ↗ been a bit of a challenge so part of the

1:03:31 ↗ standpoint is

1:03:32 ↗ sampling the Upstream section so we get

1:03:34 ↗ a base Point make sure that we're not

1:03:36 ↗ though just we know we're not the only

1:03:38 ↗ contributors and it's not only septic

1:03:40 ↗ systems we're not we can't point fingers

1:03:42 ↗ at only the people who are septic some

1:03:44 ↗ managers perfectly well and they're fine

1:03:46 ↗ a lot of people I live really far up

1:03:48 ↗ treatment so by the time they're if it

1:03:51 ↗ is even in in poor shape by the time it

1:03:53 ↗ gets to the creek it's probably not

1:03:54 ↗ doing an issue so that's part of our

1:03:56 ↗ thing is evaluating where these septic

1:04:00 ↗ systems are located geographically in

1:04:02 ↗ our city and then trying to figure out a

1:04:04 ↗ policy for that and that's kind of where

1:04:05 ↗ we're going

1:04:06 ↗ um but we we're aware that there's other

1:04:08 ↗ things there's there's Farms there's dog

1:04:11 ↗ parks there's homeless encampments that

1:04:13 ↗ can also contribute to this so this is

1:04:15 ↗ just one piece in the puzzle that's why

1:04:18 ↗ we have these centered around some of

1:04:20 ↗ the the neighborhoods that have onset

1:04:22 ↗ on-site septic systems to see if they

1:04:24 ↗ are contributing

1:04:26 ↗ um it's not

1:04:27 ↗ a thing that will be able to enforce

1:04:30 ↗ with the uh stream sampling it's just a

1:04:34 ↗ point to help us

1:04:35 ↗ fine-tune our research uh we are also

1:04:38 ↗ getting better laboratory analysis to

1:04:40 ↗ help distinguish human versus other

1:04:42 ↗ contributors but the main point is that

1:04:45 ↗ there are a lot of beaches around here

1:04:46 ↗ that are starting to close down because

1:04:48 ↗ of bacteria bacteria in the streams and

1:04:51 ↗ so we want to make sure that we're being

1:04:53 ↗ as good as stewards as we can

1:04:57 ↗ um

1:04:58 ↗ and then uh so that brings up to the

1:05:01 ↗ second point of connecting on-site

1:05:02 ↗ separate systems to sewer within

1:05:04 ↗ critical areas that's our goal yeah

1:05:07 ↗ yeah Evan

1:05:10 ↗ yeah hi I just wanted to add to that uh

1:05:13 ↗ comment on how we partner with kind of

1:05:15 ↗ our neighboring jurisdiction so the all

1:05:18 ↗ the the tmdl that Matt is talking about

1:05:21 ↗ um that is implemented in ecology is

1:05:24 ↗ implemented through our uh stormwater

1:05:27 ↗ permit that our city has and through

1:05:29 ↗ that

1:05:31 ↗ um all our surrounding neighbors have

1:05:32 ↗ that same mpds permit and they have

1:05:36 ↗ various actions they need to be doing

1:05:37 ↗ with that and so

1:05:39 ↗ um

1:05:39 ↗ our our actions are identified in What's

1:05:42 ↗ called the issqua creek Basin cleanup

1:05:44 ↗ plan or something like that and so King

1:05:46 ↗ County also is doing uh screenings for

1:05:49 ↗ in ms4 for um uh fecal call forms and uh

1:05:54 ↗ E coli and stuff like that so

1:05:56 ↗ um and then we do have Regional meetings

1:05:59 ↗ with all our neighbors and everything on

1:06:01 ↗ on all these kind of topics so

1:06:03 ↗ um it's definitely something that we're

1:06:05 ↗ always talking about

1:06:07 ↗ um and we have lots of regional partners

1:06:10 ↗ that are in the same boat as us on that

1:06:13 ↗ just over the headwaters which makes it

1:06:16 ↗ a little easier

1:06:18 ↗ um

1:06:20 ↗ well I'm a fan of data driven decisions

1:06:24 ↗ and uh sounds like you don't have the

1:06:26 ↗ data to show that these systems are

1:06:28 ↗ contributing to the call form uh

1:06:31 ↗ accountants yes and no so we do have uh

1:06:35 ↗ data and we have identified that we have

1:06:38 ↗ far exceeded the tmdl of fecal coliforms

1:06:42 ↗ around these neighborhoods we know that

1:06:44 ↗ there was a contributors

1:06:46 ↗ potentially but that's why we are also

1:06:48 ↗ adding uh uh future laboratory analysis

1:06:51 ↗ to distinguish between human and

1:06:53 ↗ non-humans that way we can actually make

1:06:55 ↗ that together

1:06:57 ↗ yeah well it seems like you need that

1:06:59 ↗ data before you decide on a policy

1:07:01 ↗ change

1:07:04 ↗ and I guess see part of this

1:07:08 ↗ a a well-operating uh OSS is an

1:07:13 ↗ environmentally sound system yes but you

1:07:17 ↗ know they might not be uh well

1:07:19 ↗ functioning but if it is it's a it's a

1:07:21 ↗ it's a good system environmentally and

1:07:24 ↗ in some ways it's a better environmental

1:07:27 ↗ solution than pumping all of our sewage

1:07:30 ↗ 20 miles to put it into South uh that

1:07:34 ↗ just seems crazy to me and we continue

1:07:37 ↗ to go down that path uh but that I mean

1:07:39 ↗ we're all the whole region is has bought

1:07:43 ↗ into that solution I'm not buying it I

1:07:46 ↗ think someday we'll figure out that's a

1:07:48 ↗ that's a dump solution but anyway that's

1:07:51 ↗ the direction we're at it uh so I look

1:07:53 ↗ at I think that the measures you're

1:07:56 ↗ proposing here for managing and

1:07:59 ↗ expecting uh systems is a good idea

1:08:03 ↗ but I'm not convinced that septic

1:08:07 ↗ systems on science different systems are

1:08:09 ↗ inherently bad which is part of what I'm

1:08:12 ↗ getting out of this no they're evil we

1:08:14 ↗ must get rid of them no and that's the

1:08:16 ↗ one thing that we don't want to do is

1:08:17 ↗ we're not forcing connections we want to

1:08:20 ↗ make sure that they aren't working

1:08:22 ↗ correctly because one thing we after

1:08:23 ↗ interviewing many people who are on

1:08:25 ↗ septic a lot of them aren't testing

1:08:27 ↗ their systems we want to make sure that

1:08:28 ↗ they're at least testing to make sure

1:08:30 ↗ that systems are functioning correctly

1:08:32 ↗ if they are functioning perfectly well

1:08:34 ↗ we're happy with them them continuing

1:08:37 ↗ but our system is next to the creek

1:08:40 ↗ where this is the the it routinely

1:08:43 ↗ floods or it has high ground water

1:08:45 ↗ that's where we're concerned we're not

1:08:47 ↗ concerned about the people who are up

1:08:48 ↗ the hill who have great soils that are

1:08:52 ↗ infiltrating we're worried about the

1:08:53 ↗ people who are right next to these

1:08:55 ↗ critical areas that's what I mean our

1:08:57 ↗ biggest worry at the moment as the city

1:08:59 ↗ evaluated any possibility of treating

1:09:04 ↗ treating the sewer report within our

1:09:08 ↗ little domain instead of pumping it into

1:09:10 ↗ Metro

1:09:11 ↗ I don't think we have the the funds or

1:09:13 ↗ capacity to do that that's a good

1:09:15 ↗ question or an oral location yeah

1:09:18 ↗ exactly but uh this just the whole

1:09:21 ↗ system just seems wrong to me for the

1:09:24 ↗ raving manage the sewage in the whole

1:09:26 ↗ Seattle area but uh anyway that's that's

1:09:30 ↗ a bigger a bigger issue

1:09:32 ↗ so yeah

1:09:34 ↗ okay thank you yeah

1:09:36 ↗ um so uh

1:09:40 ↗ we did create the policy uh where we

1:09:43 ↗ proposed the policy and received

1:09:45 ↗ concurrence from Mobility infrastructure

1:09:46 ↗ uh that City would fund sewer extensions

1:09:49 ↗ into uh critic areas that are neighbors

1:09:54 ↗ that are in critical areas and that's

1:09:56 ↗ where that's where we're focusing our

1:09:58 ↗ energy

1:09:59 ↗ uh the city would would fund that

1:10:01 ↗ through the CIP and then Property Owners

1:10:04 ↗ win their system uh fails or desire or

1:10:08 ↗ they desire to connect would then pay

1:10:10 ↗ for their site sewer

1:10:14 ↗ so here are the the code revisions that

1:10:16 ↗ we're proposing I basically would want

1:10:19 ↗ to revise the connect uh revise and

1:10:21 ↗ connections require uh

1:10:23 ↗ requiring and connection required for

1:10:25 ↗ Parcels Within

1:10:27 ↗ with structures uh I can't talk sorry

1:10:31 ↗ revised from connections required for

1:10:34 ↗ Parcels with instructors so remains

1:10:36 ↗ funding their property to within 200

1:10:37 ↗ feet of their property so basically

1:10:39 ↗ right now uh we're saying that if sewer

1:10:42 ↗ is

1:10:43 ↗ next to their property they would need

1:10:45 ↗ to connect now we're seeing the 200 feet

1:10:47 ↗ if their system isn't working properly

1:10:51 ↗ um

1:10:51 ↗ keyword isn't working properly you're

1:10:54 ↗ not interesting people you're not

1:10:55 ↗ important we're not forcing people it's

1:10:57 ↗ only if their system is in failure

1:11:00 ↗ I have a question clarification of that

1:11:03 ↗ so is that 200 feet to the public system

1:11:07 ↗ or suppose Suppose there is a private

1:11:09 ↗ line system that goes into the public

1:11:12 ↗ system uh that's uh available within us

1:11:17 ↗ that's a good question I think we'd have

1:11:19 ↗ to evaluate that on Case by case

1:11:20 ↗ situation uh a lot of these there's a

1:11:23 ↗ lot of topographic challenges no matter

1:11:25 ↗ what so even if it is let's say 100 feet

1:11:28 ↗ there's a Creek in the way or there's a

1:11:30 ↗ hillside in a way it may not necessarily

1:11:33 ↗ mean that you are forced to connect

1:11:35 ↗ because of geographic constraints and

1:11:38 ↗ that's something that we are considering

1:11:39 ↗ as well

1:11:42 ↗ you said if um their system's not

1:11:46 ↗ working properly

1:11:48 ↗ then will they also be given the

1:11:49 ↗ opportunity to fix their system yes and

1:11:52 ↗ that's the main thing we want

1:11:54 ↗ um again if if you're if a property is

1:11:57 ↗ in this critical area and Sewer is

1:11:59 ↗ available and their system doesn't work

1:12:01 ↗ then we want them

1:12:03 ↗ but if they're up on the hill and they

1:12:06 ↗ have other options but like what if

1:12:08 ↗ they're in that critical area and the

1:12:10 ↗ system can be fixed can they fix their

1:12:13 ↗ septic system instead of looking at

1:12:15 ↗ sewer depends on what the failure is so

1:12:18 ↗ if it's like minor impacts to the septic

1:12:21 ↗ box itself then yeah absolutely if it's

1:12:25 ↗ the whole drain field needs to be

1:12:26 ↗ repaired then no that's where we would

1:12:28 ↗ want them to be connected

1:12:29 ↗ it will be that's what that's the red

1:12:32 ↗ line code that we're working on there's

1:12:35 ↗ a lot of nuance on that makes it

1:12:37 ↗ challenging

1:12:38 ↗ um again we're going to require

1:12:40 ↗ inspections

1:12:41 ↗ um based on King County Board of Health

1:12:43 ↗ that's three years every three years for

1:12:45 ↗ a gravity system and every year for a

1:12:47 ↗ pumped system

1:12:48 ↗ that's just in line with uh the

1:12:51 ↗ recommendations for King County

1:12:53 ↗ uh currently that's not being enforced

1:12:55 ↗ and we want to make that enforced and if

1:12:57 ↗ a system is suspect of being in Failure

1:12:59 ↗ uh we want that verified through a Dye

1:13:03 ↗ test just to make sure that there is no

1:13:05 ↗ uh dispute over if a system isn't

1:13:08 ↗ working properly we do that digest make

1:13:11 ↗ sure it is and then that helps us

1:13:13 ↗ informs us on what either

1:13:16 ↗ repair needs to occur or if it needs to

1:13:19 ↗ be connected

1:13:20 ↗ uh violation violation uh repairs and

1:13:23 ↗ replacement to septic systems are

1:13:25 ↗ required as soon as possible

1:13:27 ↗ um failed septic systems will be

1:13:29 ↗ reported at the King County Health

1:13:30 ↗ Department that currently is is

1:13:32 ↗ occurring

1:13:33 ↗ um they don't have any uh

1:13:37 ↗ regulatory

1:13:40 ↗ enforcement but they do check up if a

1:13:44 ↗ system isn't working properly properly

1:13:46 ↗ so it's just to codify that and then the

1:13:48 ↗ sewer is available in existing failed

1:13:50 ↗ subject system lies within a critical

1:13:52 ↗ area the property must connect to sewer

1:13:55 ↗ and then we did hear from a Mobility

1:13:58 ↗ infrastructure on a penalty they want us

1:14:00 ↗ to evaluate that a little further this

1:14:02 ↗ element we have not completely

1:14:03 ↗ identified because it's a bit of a

1:14:06 ↗ challenging subject in how do we enforce

1:14:08 ↗ it or originally propose not to enforce

1:14:10 ↗ this through a penalized system uh and

1:14:13 ↗ but we're still looking at that

1:14:18 ↗ so uh here's the extension program we've

1:14:22 ↗ created a sewer extension program which

1:14:24 ↗ we included in in the most recent

1:14:26 ↗ Capital Improvement plan this is a

1:14:28 ↗ programmatic effect effort to extend

1:14:30 ↗ sewers into unsure neighborhoods that

1:14:32 ↗ are within critical areas our goal is to

1:14:34 ↗ provide sewer availability for all

1:14:36 ↗ properties Within These critical areas

1:14:37 ↗ within a certain time frame so in tier

1:14:40 ↗ one is the 100 year flood play Shoreline

1:14:43 ↗ buffer boundary and Commercial and

1:14:45 ↗ Industrial properties properties we want

1:14:46 ↗ them to sewer to be available within 20

1:14:48 ↗ years again doesn't mean they're forced

1:14:51 ↗ to connect only when their system isn't

1:14:52 ↗ working and then tier two is other

1:14:55 ↗ stream buffers Wetland boundaries and

1:14:57 ↗ documented areas with high groundwater

1:14:59 ↗ within 30 years and then tier three is

1:15:01 ↗ the critical area critical Aquifer

1:15:03 ↗ recharge area within four years

1:15:06 ↗ historically we've looked at private

1:15:08 ↗ septic systems equally uh but uh

1:15:11 ↗ geographically speaking systems are not

1:15:14 ↗ the same and we need to look at this

1:15:16 ↗ from more of the critical area

1:15:17 ↗ standpoint

1:15:22 ↗ so here is tier one tier one is the

1:15:26 ↗ purple line

1:15:28 ↗ and there are the pockets of septic that

1:15:31 ↗ were uh that we're looking at

1:15:34 ↗ could you blow that up I cannot I don't

1:15:39 ↗ think oh I can oh that's a new feature

1:15:42 ↗ for me

1:15:43 ↗ I don't know if I can scroll down I can

1:15:45 ↗ okay

1:15:47 ↗ this is exciting

1:15:51 ↗ um and again some of these

1:15:54 ↗ this is just looking at it from a GIS

1:15:57 ↗ standpoint some of these properties are

1:16:00 ↗ um may not be able to be developed fully

1:16:03 ↗ um or may have other constraints so this

1:16:06 ↗ is the preliminary evaluation

1:16:09 ↗ there's going to be more evaluation to

1:16:11 ↗ make sure that these are are in fact

1:16:13 ↗ able to be consumed to be extended and

1:16:16 ↗ it isn't viable uh option for them

1:16:20 ↗ yeah

1:16:23 ↗ I think you answered it but I was just

1:16:25 ↗ questioning so these areas do not

1:16:27 ↗ currently have sewer to them that's

1:16:29 ↗ correct that's for there it's going to

1:16:32 ↗ be hard to see but they're they're a

1:16:34 ↗ difference so yeah okay the little

1:16:36 ↗ yellow boxes well the yeah

1:16:41 ↗ Plateau orange or ours

1:16:44 ↗ um okay so I just was trying to identify

1:16:47 ↗ them with the circles is all I was doing

1:16:49 ↗ okay

1:16:51 ↗ thank you

1:16:52 ↗ here's tier two the stream buffers

1:16:54 ↗ there's quite a bit more stream buffers

1:16:56 ↗ I didn't even do all the stream buffers

1:16:58 ↗ because there's a lot of streams in

1:16:59 ↗ Issaquah uh and it it blows up when you

1:17:01 ↗ do this uh by identifying those

1:17:04 ↗ properties that have a string buffer in

1:17:07 ↗ them and have septic but again like I

1:17:09 ↗ said not all these are realistic some of

1:17:11 ↗ their their subject systems are outside

1:17:13 ↗ of the stream buffers this is just a

1:17:15 ↗ quick evaluation to kind of show where

1:17:18 ↗ those are at

1:17:19 ↗ and then here is the the current

1:17:23 ↗ will be updated Cara for the uh one to

1:17:27 ↗ ten year infiltration system so

1:17:29 ↗ basically

1:17:30 ↗ um

1:17:32 ↗ people call forms and other file uh

1:17:36 ↗ bacteria from subject systems can't get

1:17:40 ↗ into the aquifer we're not worried about

1:17:42 ↗ that what we're worried about here is

1:17:44 ↗ just any immersion contaminants that may

1:17:47 ↗ occur that we we are proactive and uh uh

1:17:51 ↗ making sure those subject systems are I

1:17:54 ↗ have an ability to connect to sewer so

1:17:56 ↗ they don't impact our aquifer with any

1:17:59 ↗ weird chemicals and there's only a few

1:18:01 ↗ in there that we haven't addressed for

1:18:03 ↗ the other two tiers

1:18:07 ↗ so again that's the end of that segment

1:18:10 ↗ um and again this was brought before uh

1:18:13 ↗ environmental board before is there any

1:18:15 ↗ other any questions regarding uh on-site

1:18:18 ↗ septic before I go into the next section

1:18:23 ↗ considering how dense

1:18:25 ↗ those areas are are there like how many

1:18:29 ↗ septics

1:18:30 ↗ you say there are that's a good question

1:18:33 ↗ I know there's

1:18:34 ↗ like 400 in the city and like 200 Within

1:18:39 ↗ These critical areas but some of them

1:18:41 ↗ are small pockets and some of them

1:18:43 ↗ aren't really this is again looking at

1:18:45 ↗ it from the JS standpoint which means

1:18:47 ↗ that

1:18:48 ↗ they're not as accurate as like going

1:18:51 ↗ out to the property physically seeing as

1:18:53 ↗ a really an issue or not so we're still

1:18:55 ↗ evaluating some of this this is just to

1:18:58 ↗ put it on the cat this the capital

1:19:00 ↗ Improvement plans that way we can

1:19:02 ↗ proactively uh evaluate these these

1:19:05 ↗ areas and make sure we have funding to

1:19:07 ↗ do so

1:19:09 ↗ did you say that this city would pay for

1:19:12 ↗ the hookup no we would we would pay for

1:19:16 ↗ the extension where it's appropriate to

1:19:19 ↗ within you know beyond a barrier or to

1:19:22 ↗ within 200 feet and then the property

1:19:24 ↗ owner would do the side sewer connection

1:19:26 ↗ to the to that sewer line

1:19:29 ↗ do you give them 200 keys or I mean if

1:19:33 ↗ we're extending sewer we'd probably make

1:19:34 ↗ it to the property line okay we'd make

1:19:36 ↗ it reasonable so that way they're all

1:19:38 ↗ they're responsible for is the from

1:19:41 ↗ their house to the to the line

1:19:44 ↗ disappoint on and operate the the side

1:19:48 ↗ tap from the main sewer line to the

1:19:50 ↗ property line

1:19:53 ↗ so

1:19:55 ↗ uh Connie had brought up the water

1:19:58 ↗ levels like we're taking the water away

1:20:00 ↗ that it has normally been there because

1:20:02 ↗ of the septics

1:20:06 ↗ and I'm not sure how it would work

1:20:08 ↗ because of how dense it is but have you

1:20:10 ↗ thought about like and I've said this

1:20:12 ↗ before

1:20:13 ↗ gray water like promoting gray water and

1:20:17 ↗ just have you know there's a lot of

1:20:19 ↗ challenges we will actually talk about

1:20:21 ↗ gray water as part of our fog protocol

1:20:23 ↗ but that is that is I think it's more

1:20:27 ↗ risky to do that a lot more costly to uh

1:20:31 ↗ be treating and then infiltrating

1:20:33 ↗ separating your system right your your

1:20:36 ↗ black water from your gray water because

1:20:38 ↗ then you basically have to have two

1:20:39 ↗ systems in your house and uh

1:20:43 ↗ yeah I've looked into this years ago on

1:20:48 ↗ uh um repurposing that stuff and it's

1:20:51 ↗ there's a reason why it's not in in the

1:20:53 ↗ Seattle area just because it's it's very

1:20:55 ↗ expensive to do

1:20:58 ↗ I only have one comment on policy I

1:21:01 ↗ think while we're still here it's on

1:21:02 ↗ page 49 policy 2A

1:21:04 ↗ um right now our language may require uh

1:21:08 ↗ is what's used

1:21:10 ↗ um and I would prefer more precise

1:21:11 ↗ language for the growth accommodation

1:21:13 ↗ requirement

1:21:15 ↗ um I'd like to have an accommodation for

1:21:16 ↗ info to have happier language or

1:21:18 ↗ capacity improvements oh we're not to

1:21:20 ↗ that possible oh sorry okay but yes

1:21:23 ↗ we'll get to that

1:21:25 ↗ thank you

1:21:27 ↗ okay

1:21:28 ↗ so

1:21:30 ↗ with that

1:21:35 ↗ [Music]

1:21:46 ↗ surcharging protocol so this is the

1:21:50 ↗ second part of the of the Sewer Master

1:21:52 ↗ Plan is evaluating our capacity and uh

1:21:56 ↗ why is it an issue

1:21:58 ↗ um obviously we don't want a picture

1:21:59 ↗ like this this is not in the city if you

1:22:02 ↗ were wondering that's bad we don't want

1:22:04 ↗ sewer to be bubbling up on the sewer

1:22:06 ↗ system that's way worse than a septic

1:22:07 ↗ system right

1:22:09 ↗ um so we're trying to reduce the amount

1:22:11 ↗ of

1:22:13 ↗ surcharging system surcharge just means

1:22:15 ↗ the sewer goes above the pipe level and

1:22:19 ↗ into the manholes not bubbling now

1:22:21 ↗ that's the worst case scenario

1:22:24 ↗ um

1:22:27 ↗ we also didn't want it to back up in

1:22:29 ↗ other people's properties or homes and

1:22:31 ↗ we want to make sure uh influent

1:22:34 ↗ infiltration in our system was a

1:22:35 ↗ measurable amount that our systems could

1:22:37 ↗ handle uh finally we need to reduce the

1:22:39 ↗ amount of stormwater entering King

1:22:40 ↗ County system as they treat it we don't

1:22:43 ↗ want to have them we don't want them to

1:22:45 ↗ treat more water than they need to

1:22:51 ↗ so uh one of our first orders of

1:22:54 ↗ business was determine the size of storm

1:22:56 ↗ event that our sewer system could handle

1:22:58 ↗ knowing some infiltration was going to

1:23:01 ↗ occur in our system King County uses 20

1:23:04 ↗ a 20-year storm event as a calibration

1:23:08 ↗ we elected to do similar in our design

1:23:10 ↗ storm is between the 20 and 25 years

1:23:13 ↗ theoretical storm event it was based on

1:23:15 ↗ an actual storm that we measured in

1:23:18 ↗ February of 2022. uh and this is based

1:23:22 ↗ on rage rain gauge data you feel using

1:23:25 ↗ the actual storm as a useful metric to

1:23:27 ↗ make sure our system could manage large

1:23:29 ↗ storm events

1:23:35 ↗ yeah

1:23:37 ↗ let's see

1:23:40 ↗ so uh here's an image of the storm event

1:23:42 ↗ for a certain section of sewer pipe uh

1:23:45 ↗ gray is the normal diurnal use on that

1:23:48 ↗ section of pipe and this is an actual

1:23:50 ↗ uh measured flow that we saw and then

1:23:53 ↗ blue is the storm in question as you can

1:23:57 ↗ see we observed a lot of storm uh

1:23:59 ↗ surface and or groundwater entering that

1:24:01 ↗ particular that's right stretch of the

1:24:03 ↗ pipe and this by the way is the worst

1:24:05 ↗ case scenario this is the worst spot in

1:24:08 ↗ the city most of our city was great this

1:24:10 ↗ was not we won't be fixing this

1:24:13 ↗ but it's a good example uh this is the

1:24:16 ↗ same section of python profile blue is a

1:24:18 ↗ pipe depth green is a ground surface and

1:24:21 ↗ red is surcharging uh within those those

1:24:25 ↗ manholes

1:24:26 ↗ again this is the worst case in the city

1:24:28 ↗ and it has been included in the CIP but

1:24:31 ↗ I just wanted to kind of show it because

1:24:32 ↗ it does really highlight what we're

1:24:34 ↗ trying to deal with

1:24:37 ↗ so

1:24:38 ↗ this all boils down uh to a policy

1:24:42 ↗ statement and maintaining our sewer

1:24:43 ↗ system capacity the city has two

1:24:45 ↗ distinct geographic features that we

1:24:48 ↗ need to worry about

1:24:49 ↗ account for this policy we have the

1:24:52 ↗ valley floor where we have sewer lines

1:24:55 ↗ that are shallow and flat and then we

1:24:57 ↗ have Mountain sites where sewer lines

1:24:59 ↗ are steeper grades and can be really

1:25:01 ↗ deep

1:25:02 ↗ for this reason we are proposing two

1:25:04 ↗ different thresholds for investigating

1:25:06 ↗ an upsizing or repairing pipe segments

1:25:08 ↗ to improve capacity our plan is to

1:25:11 ↗ include segments of pipe that meet these

1:25:13 ↗ thresholds in the CIP as we evaluate

1:25:16 ↗ there is some terminology that we need

1:25:18 ↗ to that I need to clarify

1:25:20 ↗ um the hydraulic grade line which is FMS

1:25:23 ↗ do this line right here

1:25:28 ↗ is the depth of water within the segment

1:25:31 ↗ of the pipe it can be less than the

1:25:33 ↗ diameter of the pipe but it can also be

1:25:34 ↗ higher if sewer is backing up into

1:25:36 ↗ mammals hydraulic grade line is

1:25:38 ↗ essentially evaluating the evaluation of

1:25:40 ↗ the surcharging and surcharging is

1:25:42 ↗ measured as the height of water divided

1:25:45 ↗ by the diameter this gets really

1:25:46 ↗ confusing so I apologize uh if a sewer

1:25:49 ↗ pipe is two feet uh wide and sewage is

1:25:53 ↗ backing up two feet above the crown of

1:25:55 ↗ the pipe basically right here that would

1:25:58 ↗ be two divided by two uh four divided by

1:26:02 ↗ two which is two that's the the

1:26:04 ↗ surcharge if in the same pipe it's only

1:26:06 ↗ half the height of the pipe diameter the

1:26:08 ↗ surcharge would be 0.5 a pipe running

1:26:10 ↗ full capacity has a surcharge value of

1:26:13 ↗ one

1:26:14 ↗ uh free board is the depth of pipe minus

1:26:17 ↗ any surcharging freeboard value of zero

1:26:19 ↗ means the sewage is INS is spilling out

1:26:21 ↗ of the top of the manual uh it can be

1:26:23 ↗ the same it can also be the same as the

1:26:25 ↗ pipe depth if no flow is

1:26:28 ↗ most policy we're considering uh two

1:26:31 ↗ things for shallow pipes uh we that is

1:26:35 ↗ less than eight feet of Freeport we're

1:26:36 ↗ proposing in proposing to investigate or

1:26:40 ↗ upsize pipes if surcharging is higher

1:26:42 ↗ than the diameter of the pipe I mean

1:26:44 ↗ sewer backs up into the manholes above

1:26:47 ↗ the type of top of the pipe during the

1:26:49 ↗ design storm event

1:26:51 ↗ for deeper pipes greater than eight feet

1:26:53 ↗ of freeboard we are proposing to

1:26:54 ↗ investigate or upsized pipes if

1:26:56 ↗ surcharging is more than twice the

1:26:58 ↗ diameter of the pipe meaning that we

1:27:00 ↗ allow sewer to back up into the manholes

1:27:02 ↗ twice as high as the pipe diameter

1:27:04 ↗ during the design of Summer Event

1:27:06 ↗ um and this policy is based on the

1:27:09 ↗ evaluations of our new now calibrated

1:27:11 ↗ sewer model

1:27:14 ↗ let's see

1:27:15 ↗ if you guys have monitoring equipment

1:27:17 ↗ out in your sewer system so

1:27:19 ↗ yeah so we did

1:27:22 ↗ showing when you're having surgery we

1:27:25 ↗ did we put it in for six months and we

1:27:28 ↗ are King County Metro or I'm sorry

1:27:31 ↗ what was Metro King County Sewer still

1:27:35 ↗ has some in there so they're still

1:27:37 ↗ evaluated

1:27:39 ↗ um but so the question for the board is

1:27:40 ↗ uh do you concur with our two-pronged

1:27:43 ↗ policy approach of

1:27:46 ↗ um basically having two different

1:27:47 ↗ thresholds one for shallow pipes and one

1:27:49 ↗ for deeper pipes

1:27:53 ↗ comment on your numbers

1:27:56 ↗ it's all complicated I apologize for

1:27:58 ↗ that the concept is great

1:28:03 ↗ so again unfortunately the cfp had to be

1:28:06 ↗ developed before the master plan could

1:28:08 ↗ be finalized but based on the proposed

1:28:10 ↗ policy we evaluated our current demands

1:28:13 ↗ and future growth scenarios in the city

1:28:15 ↗ the cfp correlates to this

1:28:18 ↗ um we had to assume a degraded

1:28:20 ↗ degradation over time meaning that their

1:28:23 ↗ system will contribute more ini in the

1:28:26 ↗ future if the existing pipes in manholes

1:28:29 ↗ nurses were not maintained we are

1:28:31 ↗ currently using King County standard to

1:28:34 ↗ seven percent increase in ini entering

1:28:37 ↗ our sewer system every decade

1:28:39 ↗ based on this we had only one section of

1:28:41 ↗ pipe that we added to the cap for

1:28:43 ↗ investigation and Remediation

1:28:47 ↗ uh and this is this pipe section is

1:28:49 ↗ behind the fish hatchery in a different

1:28:51 ↗ way and this uh is the pipe segment that

1:28:54 ↗ I showed earlier and it is already on

1:28:55 ↗ the ca

1:28:57 ↗ uh since and since it's on the CIP we've

1:29:01 ↗ allocated funds and we are going to

1:29:02 ↗ investigate and fix the issue

1:29:06 ↗ but that leads to our second policy

1:29:08 ↗ question for you guys tonight we want to

1:29:11 ↗ make we want to make sure that under

1:29:12 ↗ future scenarios that if a large

1:29:13 ↗ development is uh constructed the

1:29:16 ↗ corresponding pipe is evaluated and uh

1:29:19 ↗ upsized if need be by the developer

1:29:22 ↗ developers are required to analyze the

1:29:24 ↗ impacts of development on the existing

1:29:26 ↗ sewer system and if so basically they

1:29:29 ↗ would either model it or get

1:29:32 ↗ we'd be able to model their

1:29:35 ↗ uh flow into the system and see if I I

1:29:39 ↗ they need to contribute and that's based

1:29:42 ↗ off of this table here

1:29:46 ↗ so if a model pipeship is segment is

1:29:49 ↗ subject to surcharging and developer

1:29:51 ↗ developer plans to connect to the pipe

1:29:53 ↗ uh then Financial

1:29:56 ↗ participation for improvements are

1:29:58 ↗ proposed as shown uh sir charging was

1:30:00 ↗ occurring and the plan development

1:30:02 ↗ contributes less than 10 percent of the

1:30:04 ↗ flow to the pipe they're not responsible

1:30:06 ↗ for upsizing the main or if however if

1:30:09 ↗ they plant the planned development

1:30:10 ↗ contributes over 80 percent of the flow

1:30:12 ↗ to the pipe uh and it does create

1:30:16 ↗ surcharging based off the previous

1:30:18 ↗ policy then they are responsible for 100

1:30:20 ↗ of upgrades in the system

1:30:24 ↗ and we don't have explicit examples of

1:30:26 ↗ this with other cities but this is a

1:30:28 ↗ similar to our stormwater evaluation and

1:30:30 ↗ improvements we want to make sure that

1:30:32 ↗ growth pays for growth and improvements

1:30:34 ↗ to the city system is paid by the

1:30:36 ↗ responsible parties and not rank pay

1:30:38 ↗ right rate payers significant

1:30:40 ↗ contributor of waste is added to the

1:30:42 ↗ system so again question from the board

1:30:44 ↗ you concur with our policy standpoint

1:30:47 ↗ requiring developers to contribute uh to

1:30:50 ↗ sewer upsizing if they add measurable

1:30:54 ↗ amounts of waste to our system

1:30:56 ↗ you're here

1:30:58 ↗ what have you been insulted with

1:31:00 ↗ other cities around the area to see how

1:31:02 ↗ they're doing this I have not we'll

1:31:04 ↗ we'll evaluate will that be part of the

1:31:06 ↗ process yes

1:31:10 ↗ so what's the size of development they

1:31:14 ↗ would typically

1:31:15 ↗ I kick things over that 10 threshold

1:31:18 ↗ somebody was building a four Plex for

1:31:20 ↗ example I imagine that would I imagine

1:31:22 ↗ it wouldn't either depends on the pipe

1:31:24 ↗ side so typically these are pipes are

1:31:26 ↗ probably handling 100 or 100

1:31:29 ↗ of uh houses uh and so it would take

1:31:34 ↗ something probably

1:31:36 ↗ more than ten houses

1:31:38 ↗ to kick it over that limit

1:31:41 ↗ it depends where in the city it is yeah

1:31:44 ↗ it's going to depend on the pipe our

1:31:45 ↗ pipe system has been so patched together

1:31:47 ↗ we have different rates and so as you

1:31:49 ↗ start to see turnover and you start to

1:31:51 ↗ see single homes changing over to

1:31:53 ↗ triplexes and things like that you're

1:31:56 ↗ it's totally going to be variable on

1:31:57 ↗ where you are in the city

1:31:59 ↗ it's not gonna I don't think there's

1:32:00 ↗ going to be in about

1:32:02 ↗ like has our power pipes our

1:32:04 ↗ it depends if we get like a big

1:32:07 ↗ commercial mixed use sure then or and

1:32:10 ↗ we've got some a few that are still

1:32:12 ↗ coming in it's it's less and less now

1:32:15 ↗ but you know

1:32:17 ↗ lower the supplies is still developing

1:32:20 ↗ so those are the areas that we're really

1:32:21 ↗ concerned because again that's the most

1:32:24 ↗ growth is in the valley floor which is

1:32:26 ↗ the flat pipes scenario and so we want

1:32:29 ↗ them to be we want to make sure that

1:32:30 ↗ they contribute if they are created

1:32:34 ↗ so like in an Old Town a popular thing

1:32:37 ↗ that's been going on recent years is to

1:32:39 ↗ tearing down a few houses the building

1:32:41 ↗ uh you know six six unit uh building or

1:32:46 ↗ something like that so that may or may

1:32:48 ↗ not contribute that's correct and and

1:32:51 ↗ that's why we wanted to have a step

1:32:53 ↗ approach so let's say if they contribute

1:32:55 ↗ 10 percent uh and it does create an

1:32:59 ↗ issue then they would need to help

1:33:01 ↗ support

1:33:02 ↗ or the the pipe Network to increase

1:33:05 ↗ capacity uh up to 20 percent

1:33:09 ↗ of that that project

1:33:11 ↗ not the whole thing

1:33:13 ↗ but if again if it's like a huge condo

1:33:16 ↗ complex they put in 200 homes and they

1:33:20 ↗ contribute 80 of the flow to that system

1:33:23 ↗ and it isn't working correctly and they

1:33:25 ↗ need to pay for 100 of them

1:33:28 ↗ at least that's our proposal

1:33:34 ↗ okay

1:33:35 ↗ um so CIP interface the cfp again was

1:33:38 ↗ adopted before completion the master

1:33:40 ↗ plan uh who identified critical areas to

1:33:43 ↗ evaluate included uh select sewer

1:33:46 ↗ extensions based on past environmental

1:33:48 ↗ board and mobility and infrastructure

1:33:49 ↗ discussions and we included areas of

1:33:52 ↗ high search

1:33:53 ↗ so here's our uh uh CIP CIP schedule for

1:33:58 ↗ sewer uh where we've interfaced with the

1:34:01 ↗ uh draft master plan we have uh one

1:34:05 ↗ extension the upper second word

1:34:07 ↗ extension uh Highlands lift station

1:34:09 ↗ improvements

1:34:11 ↗ um which will help with capacity uh

1:34:13 ↗ South Newport and wildwood sewer

1:34:15 ↗ remediation that's the area where we saw

1:34:17 ↗ the the

1:34:19 ↗ capacity issue and then we have some

1:34:23 ↗ infiltration intrusion in the islands

1:34:25 ↗ that will be preparing as well

1:34:30 ↗ okay

1:34:31 ↗ you know that fats oils and grease so as

1:34:34 ↗ part of the Sewer Master Plan we also

1:34:35 ↗ took a look at our fog program

1:34:38 ↗ uh we identified two areas concerned

1:34:41 ↗ that are currently not addressed in our

1:34:43 ↗ city code and this does not impact the

1:34:45 ↗ CIP it will have impact on businesses

1:34:47 ↗ around town

1:34:49 ↗ businesses contributing fog to the

1:34:51 ↗ city's sewer system should have

1:34:53 ↗ appropriate Greece interceptors based on

1:34:55 ↗ best management practices in place we

1:34:57 ↗ found two gaps in our current code that

1:34:59 ↗ we need to resolve one although all new

1:35:02 ↗ establishments are required to install

1:35:03 ↗ grease interceptors of a few existing

1:35:05 ↗ restaurants in town are still operating

1:35:07 ↗ without interceptors due to their

1:35:09 ↗ longevity this is at a single location

1:35:11 ↗ we're moving into a space where the

1:35:13 ↗ previous tenant didn't have a suitable

1:35:15 ↗ interceptor

1:35:16 ↗ we're proposing a retroactive clause for

1:35:18 ↗ Greece Interceptor Interceptor

1:35:20 ↗ installation this would have a financial

1:35:22 ↗ burden on a few existing establishments

1:35:25 ↗ requiring them to install a grease

1:35:27 ↗ Interceptor where one isn't currently

1:35:28 ↗ installed however unright unregulated

1:35:31 ↗ fats oil from Grease entering the system

1:35:33 ↗ have created blockages in the city's

1:35:35 ↗ sewer system which has created backup

1:35:38 ↗ and problems for downtown Downstream

1:35:40 ↗ customers

1:35:41 ↗ a retroactive Clause would be an in

1:35:44 ↗ alignment with neighboring jurisdictions

1:35:46 ↗ this is range between six months one

1:35:49 ↗ year in its highest three years for

1:35:50 ↗ businesses to get into compliance

1:35:52 ↗ does it require existing business owners

1:35:55 ↗ to actively manage outfall the sewer in

1:35:58 ↗ line with other business establishments

1:36:00 ↗ currently in the city

1:36:03 ↗ and uh requiring a grease Interceptor

1:36:05 ↗ varies depend greatly depending on the

1:36:07 ↗ size and type of the the Interceptor

1:36:09 ↗ installed an amount of use projected the

1:36:11 ↗ costs can vary between three hundred

1:36:13 ↗ dollars to a very small hydromechanical

1:36:15 ↗ system for as much as 25 thousand

1:36:18 ↗ dollars for a large fall system that's

1:36:20 ↗ typically for a very large manufacturing

1:36:22 ↗ establishment

1:36:23 ↗ uh this depends on the amount of Grease

1:36:25 ↗ produced producing fixtures the size of

1:36:28 ↗ the price needs to be completed by a

1:36:29 ↗ licensed mechanical engineer work

1:36:32 ↗ requires a plumbing permit so all said

1:36:35 ↗ and done the cops for an incept during

1:36:36 ↗ the permit would most likely cost

1:36:38 ↗ between three thousand and eight

1:36:40 ↗ thousand for a standard restaurant to

1:36:41 ↗ get into

1:36:43 ↗ it so the question for the board on this

1:36:45 ↗ one is do you want a retro retroactive

1:36:48 ↗ clause and if so what time frame should

1:36:51 ↗ we use

1:36:58 ↗ uh previous discussions that I've been

1:37:00 ↗ involved with and had the opportunity to

1:37:02 ↗ have with staff

1:37:04 ↗ um I will say that I'm very glad for

1:37:05 ↗ this move I think it's necessary for us

1:37:07 ↗ to retrofit and um when we were

1:37:10 ↗ evaluating the what we were estimating

1:37:13 ↗ was going to be needed we were estimated

1:37:15 ↗ businesses were going to be in around

1:37:16 ↗ the ten thousand dollar range and not

1:37:18 ↗ that 25 000 range uh and so I do think

1:37:21 ↗ it's entirely appropriate um to be able

1:37:23 ↗ to to have this change and Gap in our

1:37:26 ↗ code

1:37:26 ↗ um and right now I would be a proponent

1:37:28 ↗ of picking the the lacks option in one

1:37:31 ↗ year

1:37:32 ↗ um to be able to allow for fiscal

1:37:33 ↗ planning and giving knowing that it only

1:37:35 ↗ really applies to a few of our community

1:37:38 ↗ members also

1:37:40 ↗ um and so kind of giving what I see is a

1:37:42 ↗ more lenient choice

1:37:43 ↗ I went back

1:37:45 ↗ let me go as far as five years

1:37:50 ↗ being a business owner

1:37:57 ↗ and the cost to run a business business

1:37:58 ↗ in the city is way more and I'm not a

1:38:01 ↗ restaurant

1:38:03 ↗ is a financial strain and so I think one

1:38:08 ↗ of the things that we should look at is

1:38:09 ↗ this financial impact of existing

1:38:11 ↗ business owners

1:38:13 ↗ um is the burden always seems to fall on

1:38:16 ↗ a small business

1:38:17 ↗ but the landlord makes a lot of money

1:38:21 ↗ so my question would be is why why does

1:38:24 ↗ it always fall off a small business

1:38:26 ↗ owner and we're moving into

1:38:29 ↗ a period of time where the burden on

1:38:31 ↗ small business is probably going to be

1:38:32 ↗ greater this is not going to be the next

1:38:34 ↗ next two or three to take a challenge

1:38:37 ↗ um have we thought about or looked at

1:38:39 ↗ like where the cost really should lie

1:38:42 ↗ like the landlord has been making money

1:38:44 ↗ off that property for years and years

1:38:46 ↗ and years and years and years

1:38:47 ↗ and a lot of times I think people think

1:38:49 ↗ business owners are making this amazing

1:38:52 ↗ amount of money but um you know we have

1:38:54 ↗ very high minimum wage there's a lot of

1:38:57 ↗ things

1:38:58 ↗ that affects more businesses so

1:39:00 ↗ um I think it to me it makes more sense

1:39:02 ↗ that that would fall on the landlord and

1:39:04 ↗ not the business because he benefits he

1:39:06 ↗ or she sorry benefits from that um

1:39:09 ↗ Improvement for years to come if the

1:39:11 ↗ tenant leaves three years later they've

1:39:13 ↗ paid for it and they get nothing for it

1:39:15 ↗ so

1:39:17 ↗ um I think it's just something to

1:39:18 ↗ consider and it's still important but if

1:39:21 ↗ you need to think about where the

1:39:22 ↗ business where the cost should lie

1:39:23 ↗ specifically what I've seen is these

1:39:26 ↗ smaller units that under a thousand

1:39:28 ↗ dollars in the store units if you will

1:39:31 ↗ um are paid for by the business owner

1:39:33 ↗ but if it's built out in the parking lot

1:39:35 ↗ of the Vault or a community shared unit

1:39:38 ↗ is done by the property

1:39:42 ↗ look for a way to I've seen other

1:39:45 ↗ communities use a a mechanism of

1:39:48 ↗ allowing them to pay those overtime

1:39:50 ↗ in their utility bill

1:39:52 ↗ so it's not an upfront hit

1:39:57 ↗ we also talked about grants that are

1:39:58 ↗ being given by county in Olympia who go

1:40:01 ↗ to the business owner and not the

1:40:02 ↗ landlord previously and so when looking

1:40:05 ↗ at ways that to be able to utilize

1:40:08 ↗ current existing funds to be able to

1:40:12 ↗ supplement and how things end up getting

1:40:14 ↗ tracked

1:40:15 ↗ um it seems to be the information was it

1:40:18 ↗ was easier to go to the business

1:40:19 ↗ applicant rather than to the landlord

1:40:26 ↗ yeah especially if we want our city to

1:40:28 ↗ flourish you know small business ideally

1:40:30 ↗ it's part of every city and um you know

1:40:33 ↗ I think it we can all we start to

1:40:35 ↗ sometimes feel like man I know you guys

1:40:37 ↗ want us here we sure make it hard to be

1:40:39 ↗ here you know and so like I think how we

1:40:42 ↗ approach that might be important to to

1:40:44 ↗ the people that were asking to do this

1:40:46 ↗ right like

1:40:47 ↗ you know we want them to want to stay

1:40:49 ↗ and be a part of the city so

1:40:52 ↗ just might use them

1:40:54 ↗ and

1:40:56 ↗ um

1:40:58 ↗ do these get recycled often and turned

1:41:00 ↗ into fuel

1:41:01 ↗ to the business owners know about that

1:41:03 ↗ is that is that still happening so I

1:41:06 ↗ know for a long time french fry oil was

1:41:09 ↗ getting recycled internships

1:41:12 ↗ I think it's still happening so

1:41:16 ↗ is the early explanations too small or

1:41:19 ↗ what this isn't uh it's not the grease

1:41:23 ↗ directly from what you're thinking of

1:41:25 ↗ and that goes into a grease dispenser

1:41:28 ↗ out back in the government and then yes

1:41:30 ↗ they recycled that

1:41:32 ↗ these are Contraptions that are built in

1:41:34 ↗ line to the sewer system to capture any

1:41:37 ↗ grease that gets washed down the drains

1:41:39 ↗ before it gets into the sewer and

1:41:42 ↗ coagulates inside there and costume yeah

1:41:45 ↗ it's basically like an artery your pipes

1:41:47 ↗ or your arteries and they're slowly

1:41:49 ↗ constricted because there's stuff that

1:41:51 ↗ you will yeah you watched on great

1:41:55 ↗ do you know that people so it seems like

1:41:58 ↗ this is from washing things so are there

1:42:02 ↗ people in Issaquah that do recycle their

1:42:05 ↗ grease oil and fats I don't know that uh

1:42:08 ↗ Evan and or Julie are you on thank you

1:42:12 ↗ oh yeah I'm here

1:42:14 ↗ um so

1:42:15 ↗ it's not a

1:42:17 ↗ um it's I think the technical term is

1:42:20 ↗ brown grease and that's not something

1:42:22 ↗ that is done I think there is a like a

1:42:25 ↗ treatment plant in California that kind

1:42:27 ↗ of looks into that but that's not a

1:42:30 ↗ um

1:42:31 ↗ I don't think there isn't really an

1:42:33 ↗ industry for that uh right now

1:42:36 ↗ for as far as uh Greece from a grease

1:42:39 ↗ trap but yeah like like Don mentioned

1:42:41 ↗ uh fat uh

1:42:43 ↗ um fryer oil and that kind of stuff 100

1:42:45 ↗ that's being used and recycled uh but

1:42:49 ↗ these are are more of just a waste

1:42:51 ↗ product

1:42:52 ↗ cool thanks

1:42:55 ↗ thanks to that point I believe that

1:42:57 ↗ Issaquah doesn't have any drop-off

1:42:59 ↗ locations right now King County does but

1:43:01 ↗ Issaquah does not and so when we talk

1:43:03 ↗ about how we create um

1:43:06 ↗ easier avenues for people in Issaquah um

1:43:09 ↗ the same way that I would advocate for

1:43:10 ↗ their being not all communities have

1:43:12 ↗ compost Service as well and so being

1:43:14 ↗ able to have whether it's a weekly or a

1:43:16 ↗ monthly sponsored program to be able to

1:43:19 ↗ have people come and drop off

1:43:21 ↗ um Greece to be able to drop off compost

1:43:23 ↗ I think is a really interesting thing

1:43:24 ↗ for us to explore as things to be able

1:43:27 ↗ and resources to bring to cities to our

1:43:29 ↗ city for residents who don't have that

1:43:31 ↗ available to them to their with their

1:43:33 ↗ current you know garbage plant included

1:43:42 ↗ all right all right the last part is in

1:43:46 ↗ the second code revision require mobile

1:43:48 ↗ food vendors and food and beverage

1:43:50 ↗ establishments including food trucks and

1:43:53 ↗ freestanding coffee stands develop and

1:43:55 ↗ submit a gray water management plan

1:43:57 ↗ the nature of these business businesses

1:43:59 ↗ means that they most often operate

1:44:01 ↗ without a sewer subject dimension

1:44:03 ↗ if not managed property properly gray

1:44:06 ↗ water or other waste streams can

1:44:08 ↗ discharge the storm water system into

1:44:10 ↗ our surface waters we want to require

1:44:12 ↗ similar responsibility as brick and

1:44:14 ↗ mortar establishments including the

1:44:16 ↗ fillable form describing where they plan

1:44:18 ↗ to discharge gray water and we have not

1:44:20 ↗ developed that before them yet this

1:44:22 ↗ could include either discharging to a

1:44:23 ↗ dump station uh within a brick and

1:44:26 ↗ mortar establishment

1:44:27 ↗ or renting a portable grease Interceptor

1:44:30 ↗ and destruction disorder

1:44:31 ↗ uh similarly this would be similar to

1:44:34 ↗ the fog log that we require for Brick

1:44:36 ↗ and Mortar establishment uh we hope to

1:44:38 ↗ create a mobile vendor Gray Water

1:44:40 ↗ Management plan and website to provide

1:44:42 ↗ education and Outreach the city has

1:44:45 ↗ responded to multiple examples of this

1:44:47 ↗ kind of illicit discharges this is

1:44:49 ↗ historically used education Outreach as

1:44:51 ↗ the first approach but unfortunately the

1:44:53 ↗ educational Outreach is typically a

1:44:55 ↗ reactionary if we see an issue we want

1:44:58 ↗ something that is more enforceable for

1:45:00 ↗ these vendors and proactive to provide

1:45:02 ↗ resources up front so again question for

1:45:05 ↗ the board uh this effort will require

1:45:07 ↗ staff time and resources But ultimately

1:45:09 ↗ we'll be proactive in preventing illicit

1:45:12 ↗ discharges which takes place time and

1:45:14 ↗ resources to respond to do you agree

1:45:17 ↗ with the approach we're asking we're

1:45:19 ↗ also looking into ways to automate this

1:45:22 ↗ information and make it available at the

1:45:24 ↗ time of permit issuance for a mobile

1:45:27 ↗ offender

1:45:28 ↗ okay

1:45:30 ↗ what's in the gray water that's causing

1:45:33 ↗ problems well we just Suds and soap and

1:45:37 ↗ other debris going into our storm system

1:45:38 ↗ so again if it goes to the Sewer that's

1:45:40 ↗ great but this is actually the reverse

1:45:43 ↗ where you don't want the stuff in our

1:45:45 ↗ streams

1:45:46 ↗ um so we don't want

1:45:47 ↗ any of that stuff that's that's real bad

1:45:49 ↗ yeah I used to deliver rail up

1:45:52 ↗ on the plateau and I would often see

1:45:55 ↗ like people

1:45:56 ↗ putting paint you know there'd be like

1:45:59 ↗ white paint every other paint running in

1:46:01 ↗ and then there's the runoff from the

1:46:04 ↗ chem Lawns you ever see that we need to

1:46:06 ↗ know about it

1:46:09 ↗ actually Evan and Julie managed that uh

1:46:12 ↗ npds system so it or you know it reports

1:46:15 ↗ bills we need to know that kind of stuff

1:46:17 ↗ that's no good

1:46:19 ↗ yeah I guess I should

1:46:21 ↗ report it's okay

1:46:23 ↗ it does it does happen

1:46:25 ↗ so I'm just thinking like our suds

1:46:29 ↗ like what's worse paint

1:46:31 ↗ or sets like

1:46:33 ↗ where what's more important are the

1:46:36 ↗ chemicals that run off of the lawn

1:46:38 ↗ well they're all bad I think we're just

1:46:41 ↗ trying to manage as much as we can

1:46:44 ↗ for all this discharges and treated as

1:46:46 ↗ pollution spills and

1:46:49 ↗ illegal Dominic

1:46:53 ↗ I would ask that you not get ahead of

1:46:55 ↗ yourself on this and develop a is the

1:46:57 ↗ specific plan but rather work with the

1:47:00 ↗ region there's probably two or three

1:47:03 ↗ region-wide studies going on right now

1:47:06 ↗ specifically around mobile vendors and

1:47:09 ↗ dumping of their Gray Water Into the

1:47:12 ↗ Storm systems

1:47:13 ↗ and those are going on through the

1:47:15 ↗ stormwater action monitoring group Evan

1:47:18 ↗ knows how to get you in touch with those

1:47:19 ↗ folks great

1:47:20 ↗ um or you can send me an email I'll get

1:47:22 ↗ you in the right spot

1:47:23 ↗ um but research that before you go down

1:47:25 ↗ a path of building your own because a

1:47:28 ↗ regional approach is a much more

1:47:32 ↗ it could be a lot more powerful because

1:47:33 ↗ these trucks move around all the time

1:47:35 ↗ they're not in Mexico every day

1:47:39 ↗ thank you

1:47:41 ↗ okay

1:47:45 ↗ I highly support the language for

1:47:47 ↗ further oversight

1:47:49 ↗ um and specifically referring to the

1:47:51 ↗ further code needed to manage the gray

1:47:52 ↗ water discharge

1:47:54 ↗ um when we created the current and most

1:47:57 ↗ updated

1:47:58 ↗ code we are trying to make a more

1:48:01 ↗ inclusive place and an easier access for

1:48:05 ↗ food trucks to come into Issaquah that

1:48:07 ↗ being said we also want to know who is

1:48:09 ↗ here and for how long they're here and

1:48:11 ↗ we need to have a Veterans of

1:48:12 ↗ understanding

1:48:13 ↗ um what's happening and making not only

1:48:15 ↗ a friendlier place for it but more

1:48:16 ↗ visibility and oversight and so being

1:48:19 ↗ able to have a better understanding

1:48:21 ↗ um for also our vendors coming in about

1:48:23 ↗ what is expected of them is really

1:48:26 ↗ vitally important as we expand exactly

1:48:29 ↗ and that's a a 100 I agree with that

1:48:31 ↗ we're our hope is that this wouldn't be

1:48:33 ↗ a one-off thing this would be if you're

1:48:36 ↗ a vendor you want to come into the city

1:48:38 ↗ you apply for your permit and this is

1:48:41 ↗ part of that package deal and it's a one

1:48:44 ↗ every year you'd apply for it basically

1:48:46 ↗ so it's just a reminder hey have a plan

1:48:49 ↗ in place tell us where you're going to

1:48:51 ↗ discharge this stuff as part of the

1:48:53 ↗ permit it's not a thing that we've

1:48:56 ↗ pester them every time they come into

1:48:57 ↗ the city it's just a way that we have

1:49:00 ↗ actionable items to monitor them and

1:49:03 ↗ make sure that they they're cognitively

1:49:05 ↗ aware that they shouldn't be just

1:49:07 ↗ dumping it straight into the stream or

1:49:08 ↗ into a storm trade

1:49:11 ↗ is there any um data of

1:49:15 ↗ I'm probably a hard

1:49:17 ↗ enough where they're doing

1:49:19 ↗ no and that's a that's a tough one

1:49:21 ↗ unless we get reports about it then we

1:49:24 ↗ can get data but otherwise is it assumed

1:49:26 ↗ that a lot of times there's open it up

1:49:29 ↗ and yeah

1:49:31 ↗ really you know what I mean especially

1:49:33 ↗ if you're coming into a neighborhood and

1:49:34 ↗ you're leaving that you're just looking

1:49:36 ↗ around and it's

1:49:37 ↗ yeah

1:49:38 ↗ yeah it's the end of day when when

1:49:41 ↗ they're getting ready to shut down they

1:49:43 ↗ just pull the plug

1:49:44 ↗ I'm gonna drop right in the store

1:49:51 ↗ but if it's going in the storm drain

1:49:54 ↗ goes directly to the stream okay no

1:49:57 ↗ treatment whatsoever

1:50:01 ↗ um I'll also add you know sorry

1:50:03 ↗ um we have had lots of conversations

1:50:05 ↗ with a lot of these mobile business

1:50:07 ↗ vendors

1:50:09 ↗ um in times when they've had uh issues

1:50:12 ↗ but then also just going and having

1:50:14 ↗ conversations with them through our

1:50:16 ↗ pollution prevention program and a lot

1:50:19 ↗ of them are having it pumped out and

1:50:21 ↗ hauled out through I mean the the grease

1:50:23 ↗ trap vendors that come they can they

1:50:25 ↗ pump out their tanks as well a lot of

1:50:27 ↗ these trucks have tanks on them

1:50:30 ↗ and uh they they are hauling that off

1:50:33 ↗ and and getting that taken care of

1:50:35 ↗ another place where we always recommend

1:50:37 ↗ people is uh the RV uh dump in Issaquah

1:50:41 ↗ we we recommend you know going right

1:50:43 ↗ there is a place to do it as well so

1:50:45 ↗ there are plenty of trucks that that are

1:50:48 ↗ doing it we just uh

1:50:50 ↗ yeah we're just trying to have that

1:50:52 ↗ documented so again for like that

1:50:54 ↗ knowledge base to make sure that

1:50:55 ↗ everyone is aware of uh areas where you

1:51:00 ↗ can be doing it and then that they're

1:51:01 ↗ doing the right thing too so

1:51:04 ↗ I guess just one thing to add I think

1:51:08 ↗ um human beings operate better when

1:51:10 ↗ they're um rewarded not punished so

1:51:13 ↗ maybe another thing to think about as

1:51:14 ↗ we're thinking about this moment

1:51:16 ↗ rewarding them for for doing the right

1:51:19 ↗ thing right because it's probably very

1:51:21 ↗ tempting to do the wrong thing it's

1:51:22 ↗ pretty easy so maybe if there's some

1:51:24 ↗ sort of advantage to you know if they're

1:51:27 ↗ like I don't know maybe the RV park has

1:51:28 ↗ a cost I don't think it does though I

1:51:30 ↗ think it's just a ton but but maybe

1:51:32 ↗ there's a you know hey it's free if you

1:51:34 ↗ do it here or or maybe you get a you

1:51:36 ↗ know

1:51:37 ↗ prove that you've dumped it maybe you

1:51:38 ↗ get a reduction in your permit cost or

1:51:41 ↗ you know business owners love that kind

1:51:42 ↗ of stuff so I think if we can reward

1:51:44 ↗ them for the right thing they're more

1:51:46 ↗ likely to

1:51:47 ↗ cooperate and the cost is probably much

1:51:50 ↗ um lower big cooperate than us creating

1:51:54 ↗ all these systems what we can do is say

1:51:56 ↗ hey just do the right thing and you know

1:51:58 ↗ we'll give you this just a thought I

1:52:00 ↗ love it okay

1:52:02 ↗ uh sign out for Stacy because the mobile

1:52:05 ↗ RV park is um currently a piece of land

1:52:08 ↗ that's moving and is in flux and um the

1:52:11 ↗ accommodations for it and all the

1:52:13 ↗ different discussions that we had around

1:52:15 ↗ um around that um this never came up and

1:52:18 ↗ so hearing it as this is a resource for

1:52:21 ↗ our community

1:52:22 ↗ um if you could kind of put a pin in

1:52:24 ↗ this and remember as things are

1:52:26 ↗ fluctuating and um

1:52:28 ↗ that that accommodation will be reduced

1:52:32 ↗ greatly

1:52:33 ↗ um and so allowing and saying how were

1:52:35 ↗ we using that space and making sure that

1:52:37 ↗ it mirrors

1:52:38 ↗ um as it's moved is very very

1:52:41 ↗ thoughtfully

1:52:48 ↗ well that is it this is just a recap of

1:52:50 ↗ the policies that we discussed but I

1:52:52 ↗ think we I got the information I needed

1:52:55 ↗ uh any further discussion

1:52:59 ↗ I don't have anything thank you

1:53:04 ↗ do we want a are we comfortable with

1:53:07 ↗ Matt taking the notes that we've we've

1:53:09 ↗ told him verbally and allowing him to

1:53:11 ↗ move forward there do we want to form a

1:53:13 ↗ memo

1:53:14 ↗ problem consideration

1:53:16 ↗ I can summarize some of the key points

1:53:21 ↗ you're going to be this is going to come

1:53:22 ↗ back to us right

1:53:24 ↗ um I don't think so unless you guys are

1:53:28 ↗ feeling like you want any elements to be

1:53:31 ↗ rehashed

1:53:33 ↗ we'll discussed again

1:53:35 ↗ we'll see storm water will say surface

1:53:37 ↗ water but we shouldn't see just again

1:53:40 ↗ yeah surface water has actually been

1:53:42 ↗ adopted that yeah

1:53:47 ↗ this is the last of the month of the

1:53:48 ↗ master plans

1:53:51 ↗ I would I would suggest we just leave it

1:53:53 ↗ as an allowed mat to have the art you

1:53:55 ↗ know Stacy puts together and they

1:53:58 ↗ reflect in there unless everybody's what

1:54:00 ↗ anybody wants a formula

1:54:05 ↗ I really appreciate you guys this time

1:54:07 ↗ thank you man

1:54:16 ↗ all right with that Stacy you got a

1:54:18 ↗ report your schedule updates yep just

1:54:22 ↗ really briefly

1:54:24 ↗ um one uh event plague for you and then

1:54:27 ↗ just wanted to mention a couple of

1:54:29 ↗ upcoming items for our agenda

1:54:31 ↗ um July 24th you should have receive the

1:54:34 ↗ invitation as well as a reminder is our

1:54:36 ↗ lead first city certification

1:54:38 ↗ celebration luncheon

1:54:40 ↗ um there'll be lunch

1:54:43 ↗ brief program with talks and then

1:54:46 ↗ there'll be a tour of a salmon

1:54:48 ↗ restoration site near Pickering Barn

1:54:50 ↗ um so would love to see all most of you

1:54:53 ↗ there if you're able to come

1:54:55 ↗ um we'll also be doing an event with

1:54:57 ↗ Council that evening

1:54:59 ↗ and now we'll be doing some events for

1:55:01 ↗ the public the following day so if

1:55:03 ↗ you're not able to make it for the

1:55:04 ↗ luncheon

1:55:05 ↗ um David and I will be at the resource

1:55:07 ↗ fair in front of the community center on

1:55:09 ↗ act Tuesday the 25th I'm displaying the

1:55:11 ↗ posters around the lead certification

1:55:13 ↗ there's also the chalk art festival that

1:55:16 ↗ day and then there's a concert

1:55:19 ↗ so we'll be there

1:55:21 ↗ um to interact with the public and

1:55:23 ↗ showcase and celebrate the lead

1:55:25 ↗ certification

1:55:26 ↗ [Music]

1:55:26 ↗ um

1:55:27 ↗ board members at any or all of those

1:55:30 ↗ events

1:55:32 ↗ um we have a pretty heavy agendas for

1:55:36 ↗ the next couple of months as we start to

1:55:38 ↗ really dig deep into the comprehensive

1:55:40 ↗ plan so we'll be taking a lot of what we

1:55:42 ↗ heard from Stephen discussed with

1:55:44 ↗ Stephen today and then starting to move

1:55:46 ↗ into reviewing some of those new

1:55:48 ↗ components for the new environment

1:55:50 ↗ element or whatever we decide to name it

1:55:53 ↗ so that'll be a major Focus over the

1:55:56 ↗ next couple of months and then we also

1:55:58 ↗ have a couple of decision items that

1:56:02 ↗ will be coming forward

1:56:03 ↗ I believe we'll have the municipal

1:56:06 ↗ decarbonization resolution

1:56:09 ↗ um for you all to review next month and

1:56:11 ↗ that's committing the city to

1:56:13 ↗ essentially do a decarbonization study

1:56:16 ↗ for all of our buildings we'll be

1:56:18 ↗ looking for feedback and approval of

1:56:20 ↗ that we'll be having this sustainable

1:56:22 ↗ purchasing policy coming within the next

1:56:24 ↗ couple of months there'll be another

1:56:26 ↗ action item next month I've heard of the

1:56:30 ↗ request of the board we'll also hear

1:56:31 ↗ from our Communications team for the

1:56:33 ↗ opportunity for you all to meet them

1:56:35 ↗ hear what they do but then

1:56:43 ↗ so a lot on our plate for the next few

1:56:46 ↗ months but some exciting action items

1:56:48 ↗ and digging into setting vision for the

1:56:51 ↗ city

1:56:53 ↗ announcements from the board members

1:56:59 ↗ hey man returned thank you thank you

1:57:05 ↗ thank you

1:57:08 ↗ really great work Matt oh thank you yeah

1:57:10 ↗ thank you man thank you guys

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Attendance

Council / Members (9)

Don McQuilliams

Anne Newcomb

Tom Anderson

Alix Lee-Tigner

Ashwin Kannan

Janet Wall

Joy Lewis

Dixie Bair

Ashwin Manoharan* (unexcused absence)

Staff (16)

Stacy Vynne McKinstry, Sustainability Manager

David Reedy, Sustainability Coordinator

Stephen Padua, Long Range Planning Manager

Christian Geitz, Planning Manager

Matt Ellis, Utilities Engineering Manager

Evan Brumfield, Environmental and Regulatory Program Administrator

Julie Wartes, Environmental and Regulatory Program Administrator

Dave Harms, Senior Engineer, BHC

Consultants

Sondarya Krishnamurthy, Engineer, BHC

Consultants

Shannon Saramaa, Senior Project Engineer

Mead & Hunt

Andrea Boyd, Engineer, Mead & Hunt

Justin Rinauro, Water Resources Engineer

Mead & Hunt

Excused

Jamie Finch

Prajakta Ghatpande

Nancy Davidson

Recommendations & actions (9)

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Board Member LEWIS recommended we explore options to address these gaps in comprehensive plan policies.
Board Members ANDERSON, NEWCOMB, and LEWIS recommended using the word stewardship in a potential name.
Board Member NEWCOMB recommended encouraging businesses to promote work from home policies versus requiring employees to come into the office to reduce greenhouse gas emissions associated with transportation.
Board Member LEWIS also recommended including information and references on site planning, peats and bogs, and model lighting ordinances as well as water runoff on areas outside of critical areas.
Board Member ANDERSON recommended gathering additional data before making policy recommendations.
Board Members MCQUILLIAMS and LEWIS noted that the board concurred with the approach and recommended that the team discuss with nearby cities to learn about their approaches.
Board Member LEWIS recommended adding a program within the city to allow residents and businesses to drop off compost or FOGs for recycling.
Board Member MCQUILLIAMS recommended working with the region on this policy question versus developing an Issaquah specific plan.