Environmental Board · Wednesday, July 12, 2023 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of June 14, 2023

packet pp.3–5

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 06-14-23 Environmental Board Minutes Page [1] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Environmental Board 6:30 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. June 14, 2023 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Comprehensive Plan Update

Discussion · [30 mins] Stephen Padua, Long Range Planning Manager · packet pp.7–31

Topics: Land Use

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Staff report:

Office of Sustainability 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

Natural Environment Checklist

Discussion · [30 mins] Christian Geitz, Planning Manager · packet pp.33–46

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Staff report:

Community Planning & Development 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

Sewer Master Plan Update

Discussion · [50 mins] Matt Ellis, Utilities Engineering Manager Evan Brumfield, Environmental and Regulatory Program Administrator Julie Wartes, Environmental and Regulatory Program Administrator · packet pp.47–166

Topics: Water

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Staff report:

MEMORANDUM Date: July 12, 2023 To: Matt Ellis, PE, City of Issaquah From: Dave Harms, PE, BHC Consultants, LLC Subject: City of Issaquah Sewer Master Plan – DRAFT Sewer Capacity Policies

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Updated Environmental Board Schedule

packet pp.167–171

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Staff report:

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0:17 ↗ s I'm the chair for tonight Welcome to

0:20 ↗ our escort environmental board meeting

0:21 ↗ tonight I'm due to the virtual format of

0:25 ↗ our meetings here's some quick

0:26 ↗ guidelines so look at our participants

0:28 ↗ online and others in the room please

0:31 ↗ speak clearly and pause frequently state

0:34 ↗ your name each time before speaking and

0:36 ↗ mute your microphone when you're new if

0:38 ↗ you have any technical issues you can

0:40 ↗ try logging in on a different device or

0:42 ↗ raise your hand and let us know and

0:43 ↗ we'll try to figure it out

0:45 ↗ Commissioners in the room if you desire

0:48 ↗ to speak sign normal please put your

0:50 ↗ little sign up we'll call on you as we

0:52 ↗ go around

0:55 ↗ I mean Commissioners on the virtual side

0:57 ↗ if we could just raise your hand we'll

0:59 ↗ be watching for you

1:04 ↗ and then we'll be summarizing our topics

1:07 ↗ at the end of each topic if there is a

1:10 ↗ summary to to go through

1:13 ↗ um some of our stuff tonight is

1:15 ↗ informational and then our last one is

1:17 ↗ last two actually we're looking for some

1:20 ↗ feedback

1:22 ↗ Stacy with that one and take a certain

1:25 ↗ uh Tom Anderson here

1:28 ↗ Davidson has an excused absence Amy

1:31 ↗ Finch has an excuse

1:33 ↗ to ask him he has an excuse absence Joy

1:37 ↗ Lewis

1:38 ↗ Ashman Khan

1:42 ↗ here

1:43 ↗ great uh Ashwin manaharan

1:49 ↗ Don McWilliams here uh and Newton here

1:53 ↗ with Janet wall

1:56 ↗ Dixie bear here Alex Lee tigner

2:00 ↗ here

2:01 ↗ we have Quorum we have three members

2:04 ↗ missing so our three alternates will be

2:06 ↗ sitting in this regular members

2:14 ↗ and next steps approval of minutes is

2:16 ↗ there any comments on the previous

2:18 ↗ minutes and the changes that you would

2:19 ↗ like to see

2:24 ↗ during that I think all those approved

2:29 ↗ and moving on to public comments I see

2:31 ↗ we have Connie on the line is there

2:33 ↗ anybody else Stacy

2:37 ↗ um

2:37 ↗ we do have a couple other members that

2:42 ↗ may be with our consultant team

2:45 ↗ um so I'm not sure uh if you are a

2:47 ↗ member of the public and want to either

2:49 ↗ raise your hand or send a note in the

2:51 ↗ chat

2:52 ↗ um please do so if you'd like to make a

2:54 ↗ comment

2:56 ↗ um in addition to Connie who would like

2:58 ↗ to make verbal comments we had written

2:59 ↗ comments submitted by Connie Ann

3:02 ↗ Fletcher and Steve Hurd I just wanted to

3:04 ↗ fight for the environment board those

3:06 ↗ were sent out to the board members

3:08 ↗ I believe Connie at this time is the

3:10 ↗ only one that wants to make verbal

3:11 ↗ comments

3:13 ↗ okay Bonnie and Floors yours

3:24 ↗ on New Jersey

3:32 ↗ one second Connie you're muted

3:43 ↗ Connie you should be able to unmute

3:45 ↗ yourself and it doesn't look like I'm

3:47 ↗ able to unmute you

3:48 ↗ foreign

3:54 ↗ how about now yes

3:57 ↗ I will tell you what it does on this end

3:59 ↗ just so you know it periodically flashes

4:03 ↗ the screen giving you a three key task

4:06 ↗ to unmute yourself there's no unmute

4:10 ↗ yourself thing other than that so that's

4:12 ↗ why it took me so long so now you know

4:14 ↗ when people look confused that maybe

4:16 ↗ what happened okay

4:18 ↗ um

4:19 ↗ so I sent you

4:22 ↗ a grumpy email and then a more

4:24 ↗ thoughtful email

4:27 ↗ um

4:28 ↗ so I am gonna start with the difficulty

4:33 ↗ of comprehensive plan

4:38 ↗ consolidation and updating

4:41 ↗ so

4:43 ↗ without knowing where you are like what

4:47 ↗ the current comprehensive plan policies

4:50 ↗ are in some sort of a matrix it's really

4:55 ↗ hard to understand what you have

4:57 ↗ attempted and whether it's working or

4:59 ↗ not so I know for me having that Matrix

5:04 ↗ and then the successfulness or how we

5:08 ↗ far we have gotten In Those comp

5:11 ↗ comprehensive planned Concepts then can

5:15 ↗ lead to a thoughtful discussion of what

5:18 ↗ the story of the future should be now it

5:22 ↗ doesn't matter so much what element it

5:24 ↗ ends up in

5:26 ↗ what matters is we're trying to use the

5:29 ↗ comprehensive plan to figure out what is

5:32 ↗ going to work for 30 years

5:34 ↗ and I don't find what has been provided

5:39 ↗ um leads to a discussion of the story of

5:42 ↗ the future of Issaquah at the 30 000

5:44 ↗ foot level

5:45 ↗ all it does for my particular brain is

5:50 ↗ is uh

5:53 ↗ it makes me look at the definitions of

5:55 ↗ words and I don't understand the

5:58 ↗ definitions of the words that you're

6:00 ↗ asking us to talk about

6:02 ↗ and and so

6:07 ↗ I'm not

6:09 ↗ going to be able to help

6:11 ↗ or understand and I don't know if the

6:13 ↗ boards and commissions can either now

6:16 ↗ skipping on to that very broad I don't

6:20 ↗ get it sort of and I'm sorry this is my

6:23 ↗ third and a half comprehensive Plan

6:25 ↗ update so it's not my first comp plan

6:27 ↗ update

6:28 ↗ so it's not that I know nothing it's

6:30 ↗ just I don't get this process so then

6:33 ↗ moving on to the um what's it called the

6:39 ↗ spreadsheet for how we're supposed to be

6:42 ↗ judging what is happening with the

6:44 ↗ environment in the city is how I think

6:47 ↗ of it in my brain

6:49 ↗ um it seems to be coming down to whether

6:52 ↗ we had a neighborhood meeting or not on

6:54 ↗ the topic and I think that is beside the

6:56 ↗ point we have an environmental board

6:59 ↗ that is supposed to be creating

7:02 ↗ environmental policy and unless it gets

7:05 ↗ an understanding of whether what we are

7:08 ↗ doing is allowing things to be harmed or

7:12 ↗ providing for great Improvement or doing

7:14 ↗ both and achieving we don't know

7:18 ↗ negative positive effect

7:20 ↗ it's going to be really hard to make the

7:24 ↗ city's environment better and so what is

7:27 ↗ provided for the data for the

7:30 ↗ environmental George uh board judgment

7:34 ↗ is not what I experience in life I see

7:37 ↗ all kinds of projects that have happened

7:39 ↗ some with improvements some with harm

7:41 ↗ some are in the middle some are wildly

7:44 ↗ out of date and yet none of that is

7:47 ↗ reflected in this report and so I don't

7:50 ↗ think that we are gaining

7:53 ↗ um what the environmental Board needs to

7:56 ↗ make good decisions

7:58 ↗ by what was presented in this

8:02 ↗ agenda and the sewer plan you know that

8:06 ↗ seems sort of like it's prettier around

8:07 ↗ the edges except for the fact that if we

8:10 ↗ put everyone on sewer then we're

8:11 ↗ basically going to be flushing most of

8:13 ↗ our water out of town and

8:17 ↗ um

8:18 ↗ and that's not necessarily a good thing

8:21 ↗ for aquifer it's not a bad thing to have

8:23 ↗ uh properly functioning septic in our

8:27 ↗ town

8:28 ↗ thank you

8:31 ↗ I don't know how to mute either but

8:32 ↗ maybe you'll do that

8:37 ↗ great thank you Connie um we do have a

8:39 ↗ number of other participants I want to

8:42 ↗ make sure no one else wanted to provide

8:44 ↗ public comments

8:47 ↗ if you do want to please raise your hand

8:49 ↗ or you can put a note in the chat

9:01 ↗ not seeing any additional hearing no

9:03 ↗ further comments let's move on to our

9:05 ↗ next topic and Stephen you're up

9:08 ↗ Steven's going to give us an update on

9:10 ↗ the comprehensive plan

9:13 ↗ thank you

9:14 ↗ um for the record Stephen Padua the

9:16 ↗ long-rangementor with Community Planning

9:17 ↗ and Development I'm here to talk

9:19 ↗ comprehensive plan with you all the

9:22 ↗ purpose of tonight is to talk about the

9:23 ↗ new element that we're going to be

9:26 ↗ creating for the co-france of plan

9:28 ↗ specifically around natural environment

9:30 ↗ some of this you've heard back in April

9:33 ↗ I'm just reviewing a lot of it briefly

9:36 ↗ but also talk a little bit more of scope

9:38 ↗ back when we talked in April none of the

9:41 ↗ new state legislation had passed yet so

9:43 ↗ there's a little bit new information

9:45 ↗ about that

9:47 ↗ the issues or questions for discussion

9:50 ↗ tonight is

9:52 ↗ um one if the board would like to

9:55 ↗ provide feedback on the title of the new

9:57 ↗ element happy to take that just so we

9:59 ↗ have something to call it as we're

10:01 ↗ working through it over the next couple

10:03 ↗ months and returning to you um

10:06 ↗ I think I believe September

10:08 ↗ the other discussion for tonight is just

10:11 ↗ talking about the difference between the

10:12 ↗ conference plan and other planning

10:14 ↗ documents that we're going to be using

10:15 ↗ uh that's part of every board and

10:17 ↗ staff's workplace and so that's part of

10:20 ↗ tonight's discussion so on the

10:23 ↗ background comprehensive plans were born

10:26 ↗ out of the passing of the growth

10:28 ↗ management act back in 1990 the purpose

10:31 ↗ of the growth management Act was to

10:33 ↗ essentially have our communities plan

10:36 ↗ for growth address urban sprawl as well

10:40 ↗ as addressing our quality of life in all

10:42 ↗ of our communities

10:43 ↗ the updates that we have for the

10:46 ↗ conference plan there's an optional

10:47 ↗ annual update that the city is closed

10:50 ↗ taken advantage of quite a bit

10:52 ↗ historically and then there's the

10:54 ↗ periodic updates that are actually

10:55 ↗ required by the state to happen every

10:57 ↗ eight years we are currently in the

11:00 ↗ periodic update so we are reviewing all

11:03 ↗ the elements as required by the state

11:06 ↗ so all the elements that are being

11:08 ↗ reviewed are listed on the screen the

11:10 ↗ two that are highlighted are two that

11:12 ↗ are not required by the same ethicities

11:13 ↗ as well as chosen to include as part of

11:16 ↗ the conference plan as being an

11:17 ↗ important topic to address as we are

11:19 ↗ looking at growth for the future and

11:22 ↗ then with this new periodic update we're

11:24 ↗ introducing the new environmental

11:26 ↗ related element that we're going to be

11:28 ↗ working with the board on and trying to

11:31 ↗ assemble

11:32 ↗ one of the things that I talked about

11:34 ↗ previously at the meeting in April is a

11:36 ↗ lot of what's going to be going into

11:37 ↗ this new element is a lot of the

11:39 ↗ existing goals and policies you've

11:41 ↗ already worked and developed as part of

11:42 ↗ the development of the icap and so what

11:44 ↗ will be introduced new is is some of the

11:47 ↗ climate vulnerability assessment work

11:49 ↗ that your ongoing work that you're

11:51 ↗ discussing with staff now but also um as

11:55 ↗ I'll talk about later some of the

11:56 ↗ incorporating some of the feedback we

11:57 ↗ got in here

11:59 ↗ so we have three primary goals with this

12:01 ↗ great great periodic update the first

12:04 ↗ being compliance making sure that we

12:06 ↗ comply with all new regulations from the

12:08 ↗ state and the county as well as any

12:10 ↗ Regional

12:11 ↗ requirements that are there

12:13 ↗ incorporating with anything that the

12:16 ↗ county in the state is now requiring us

12:18 ↗ to do

12:18 ↗ the

12:21 ↗ bills that we didn't really have at the

12:24 ↗ time or at least couldn't provide detail

12:25 ↗ at the time in April are on the screen

12:27 ↗ and and the the most important bill

12:30 ↗ that'll be we're considering with the

12:32 ↗ development of this new element is House

12:34 ↗ Bill 1181 that's actually what's

12:36 ↗ requiring cities to incorporate a new

12:38 ↗ environment related bill that addresses

12:41 ↗ um

12:42 ↗ a vehicle miles travel that addresses

12:44 ↗ climate change and climate resiliency

12:47 ↗ for communities there's also some

12:49 ↗ language about flood control and uh

12:52 ↗ reduction of greenhouse gas emissions

12:54 ↗ that need to be addressed all components

12:56 ↗ that we actually have with a lot of our

12:58 ↗ existing goals and policies because that

13:00 ↗ was developed well with uh the icat and

13:03 ↗ the any the pieces that we're missing

13:05 ↗ are actually being satisfied through the

13:07 ↗ climate vulnerability assessment so for

13:10 ↗ the most part what's now required of us

13:12 ↗ we're already going to be incorporating

13:14 ↗ into the comprehensive plan we're just

13:16 ↗ now assembling it into a new element

13:23 ↗ a big part of what we're trying to

13:25 ↗ achieve with this periodic update is is

13:28 ↗ what we're calling the planning

13:29 ↗ framework and that's differentiating the

13:31 ↗ comprehensive plan being our 20-year

13:33 ↗ vision from a lot of our working plans

13:35 ↗ or functional plans is what we're

13:37 ↗ calling them

13:38 ↗ um that are really more of the planning

13:40 ↗ documents that contain a lot of the

13:42 ↗ actions uh more the strategies how we're

13:45 ↗ achieving the city's vision and that

13:46 ↗ helps feed into a lot of the budget

13:48 ↗ discussions what resources we need as a

13:51 ↗ city and as well as a lot of the

13:52 ↗ direction we're trying to take as a city

13:55 ↗ as a community and that'll feed into our

13:57 ↗ performance metrics and then create this

13:59 ↗ cycle of improvement and continuing

14:02 ↗ monitoring of how we're doing as a

14:04 ↗ community as well as an organization

14:07 ↗ we bring this up because we when we last

14:10 ↗ went through the periodic update we

14:12 ↗ didn't have as many functional plans and

14:14 ↗ that being the icap we didn't have the

14:16 ↗ mobility master plan we didn't have the

14:18 ↗ Human Services strategic plan for the

14:21 ↗ parks strategic plan was kind of

14:23 ↗ developed after a lot of that

14:25 ↗ and updated after that so we now have an

14:29 ↗ opportunity to now put the comprehensive

14:32 ↗ plan at a level where we can primarily

14:34 ↗ focus on goals of policing the complex

14:36 ↗ plan where it's primarily a guiding

14:38 ↗ document of how we achieve our vision

14:40 ↗ and then we can primarily work in a lot

14:43 ↗ of our functional plans and our

14:45 ↗ day-to-day activities and discussions of

14:47 ↗ how we're really trying to achieve the

14:49 ↗ vision and a huge reason why we want to

14:53 ↗ do this is one we have the opportunity

14:55 ↗ to use these functional plans and we

14:57 ↗ have a lot more boards and commissions

14:59 ↗ to have these discussions we can now

15:01 ↗ focus on implementation more so than

15:04 ↗ having to always update this 20-year

15:07 ↗ Vision or comprehensive plan and go

15:10 ↗ through the effort of updating it just

15:12 ↗ so we get to what we're trying to do

15:13 ↗ when we really should be focusing on

15:15 ↗ implementation so that way we can be a

15:17 ↗ lot more efficient with our time as well

15:18 ↗ as the discussions we're having with all

15:20 ↗ you all and how we're achieving a lot of

15:23 ↗ our vision and goals

15:26 ↗ so we thought it would be helpful to

15:28 ↗ provide an example

15:30 ↗ the goals and policies that I pulled

15:32 ↗ from the comprehensive plan are also

15:34 ↗ addressed in the icat and the big

15:37 ↗ difference between the two is you can

15:39 ↗ think of the goals and policies as

15:40 ↗ really being contained in the

15:42 ↗ comprehensive plan elements that's where

15:44 ↗ our goals and policies should be located

15:46 ↗ as required by the state but also as a

15:48 ↗ planning document it makes the most

15:50 ↗ sense within that Visionary 20-year

15:52 ↗ document

15:53 ↗ then you have your actions from your

15:55 ↗ climate action plan or the functional

15:56 ↗ advanced

15:57 ↗ these provide a lot more direction from

16:01 ↗ the goals and policies that you

16:03 ↗ shouldn't really see in that 20-year

16:05 ↗ Visionary document enough so uh that has

16:09 ↗ enough detail that you can now identify

16:11 ↗ strategies as well as resources to

16:14 ↗ address how you're achieving the vision

16:16 ↗ when you're talking about the goals and

16:18 ↗ policies it's really not at a level

16:20 ↗ where you can identify the resources or

16:23 ↗ the specific strategies on how to

16:24 ↗ achieve it and it's really trying to

16:26 ↗ give direction on how to achieve that

16:28 ↗ vision and then you get to the actions

16:30 ↗ then you can actually operationalize a

16:33 ↗ lot of what you're trying to achieve and

16:35 ↗ that's really that dividing line between

16:37 ↗ what goes in the conference plan versus

16:39 ↗ a lot of your functional plans and

16:42 ↗ that's really what we're trying to get

16:43 ↗ to the comprehend comprehensive plan to

16:45 ↗ the level of so we're not having to

16:47 ↗ continue and update that in order to

16:49 ↗ achieve what we're really trying to

16:51 ↗ implement

16:52 ↗ before I move on are there any questions

16:56 ↗ so make sure I understand correctly so

16:59 ↗ the comprehensive plan is going to

17:00 ↗ reference the icap in this example here

17:03 ↗ is is there anything that would limit

17:07 ↗ the high cap from being revised modified

17:11 ↗ by making that connection

17:13 ↗ if you wanted to modify the goals and

17:16 ↗ policies yeah you would need to update

17:18 ↗ the conference plan too

17:19 ↗ but if you were wanting to change your

17:21 ↗ strategy or where you're prioritizing

17:24 ↗ your resources or even the actions you

17:27 ↗ only need to operate out of the icap

17:29 ↗ itself

17:30 ↗ and so that's really what we're trying

17:31 ↗ to get to is with that implementation

17:33 ↗ focus a lot of our efforts on getting

17:35 ↗ the icaps where we want it as well as

17:37 ↗ where we're prioritizing our business

17:42 ↗ any other questions

17:46 ↗ any questions online I can't really see

17:56 ↗ so what we heard back in April

17:59 ↗ the topic areas that we pulled from the

18:01 ↗ existing lab use element which is what

18:04 ↗ contained all the goals of policies from

18:06 ↗ the icap

18:08 ↗ the suggestions were to maintain the

18:10 ↗ natural environment preservation in this

18:12 ↗ new element to maintain climate change

18:15 ↗ and how we're addressing it into this

18:17 ↗ new element and then with the climate

18:19 ↗ vulnerability incorporate more of the

18:21 ↗ climate resiliency goals and polishes

18:24 ↗ that will be added now to that set of

18:26 ↗ policies and quotes

18:28 ↗ um the other feedback we heard from the

18:30 ↗ board was we we should be able to

18:31 ↗ address what how the other elements are

18:34 ↗ actually achieving some of this Vision

18:35 ↗ too

18:37 ↗ um some of the other men do contain

18:38 ↗ goals and policies that address climate

18:40 ↗ change for greenhouse gas emissions or a

18:44 ↗ reduction of vehicle miles traveled so

18:46 ↗ we want to be able to show that

18:48 ↗ relationship within the new element

18:49 ↗ explain where they can find them and so

18:52 ↗ we'll be looking to do that

18:54 ↗ the other feedback we heard is we want

18:56 ↗ to maintain a lot of those existing

18:58 ↗ goals and policies in those other

18:59 ↗ elements and not try to consolidate it

19:02 ↗ into the new element because it just

19:04 ↗ makes the most sense keep it in the

19:06 ↗ topic area that's maintained and it's

19:08 ↗ more effective when you're able to find

19:10 ↗ a transportation related policy in the

19:12 ↗ transportation element you know how it's

19:15 ↗ achieving or trying to achieve the

19:17 ↗ climate change goals that the city's

19:20 ↗ established for itself

19:21 ↗ the other feedback we got from the board

19:24 ↗ was establishing an ecological lens to

19:28 ↗ it as we're reviewing the comprehensive

19:30 ↗ plan for coordination across the

19:32 ↗ different policies but also as we're

19:34 ↗ looking at how we're achieving the

19:37 ↗ vision for the city making sure that

19:38 ↗ it's being addressed is there as well

19:40 ↗ and not just narrow to this Murrell

19:47 ↗ yes Joy

19:48 ↗ um I had a question about this I didn't

19:50 ↗ excluded um feedback when we were going

19:52 ↗ through Title 18 and we were linking

19:55 ↗ policy to code uh we found that

19:57 ↗ specifically regarding um bugs and heat

20:00 ↗ being able to have policy talked about

20:02 ↗ how much infill was coming in trips per

20:05 ↗ site and things like that was a little

20:07 ↗ uh more gray and we needed to be

20:09 ↗ addressed another time and when we talk

20:11 ↗ about kind of our policies being able to

20:13 ↗ give birth to our code I'm curious how

20:16 ↗ that's going to be able to be folded in

20:18 ↗ as in this kind of ecological lens we

20:21 ↗ know that there's a little bit of a

20:22 ↗ gray area a little bit of

20:24 ↗ a in some of these things and sometimes

20:27 ↗ that's a good place for us to start

20:29 ↗ talking about how we add policy in and

20:32 ↗ if there had been a discussion from

20:33 ↗ staff of kind of adding in some of those

20:35 ↗ elements we did talk about that

20:37 ↗ um

20:39 ↗ through Title 18 or that the project to

20:41 ↗ update Title 18 we

20:44 ↗ it's identified as one of the future

20:48 ↗ update items for Title 18 and so that's

20:50 ↗ actually something that we'll be

20:51 ↗ addressing in the future we decided it

20:53 ↗ was too detailed of a level for policies

20:56 ↗ to go into the conference plan whether

20:58 ↗ it should be as part of one of the

20:59 ↗ functional plans or the system plans

21:00 ↗ that look at how to really achieve

21:04 ↗ um what was discussed with title 80. it

21:07 ↗ may be um staff to look at how we kind

21:10 ↗ of break apart and have subsections of

21:12 ↗ our policy of being able to add a Polish

21:15 ↗ policy and that talks about and

21:16 ↗ reinforces the importance of integrating

21:19 ↗ that because right now it's kind of

21:20 ↗ lacking from our policy and so it's kind

21:22 ↗ of a jump step right now we know that

21:25 ↗ there's a funding we know that there's

21:26 ↗ an end route that needs to happen prior

21:28 ↗ and being able to kind of solidify that

21:31 ↗ with

21:32 ↗ a policy baby

21:34 ↗ okay

21:41 ↗ um yeah so this is just a little point

21:43 ↗ of curiosity for me so does the city use

21:46 ↗ any traceability tools to make sure that

21:49 ↗ a goal at the high level is implemented

21:53 ↗ in an action somewhere at the lower

21:55 ↗ level or policies in between these are

21:58 ↗ all connected and there are tools out

22:01 ↗ there that help you track that sort of

22:03 ↗ thing is that something does

22:04 ↗ historically the city hasn't done that

22:07 ↗ but more recently we've actually been

22:10 ↗ driving more towards a data

22:13 ↗ data-driven decision-making process and

22:15 ↗ so with this periodically that's

22:16 ↗ actually what we're trying to achieve is

22:18 ↗ being able to trace how a lot of the

22:20 ↗ actions are what's going into the budget

22:22 ↗ or what our work plans look like how

22:25 ↗ that traces back to the goals or even

22:26 ↗ the vision for the city so with this new

22:28 ↗ element we're hoping to create a lot of

22:30 ↗ those new relationships it'll from my

22:33 ↗ experience that's something that takes a

22:35 ↗ lot of time to really perfect so we

22:37 ↗ won't get it

22:38 ↗ done or perfect the first time but it is

22:41 ↗ something that we are actually working

22:42 ↗ towards

22:43 ↗ yeah well good it's a valuable tool and

22:46 ↗ it has to kind of get worked into the

22:48 ↗ process so that when uh weaknesses are

22:51 ↗ found or whatever you could use the the

22:54 ↗ uh the results of that tool to see well

22:56 ↗ how does that ripple from here to there

22:58 ↗ Etc where where did we miss something

23:00 ↗ and all that so yeah I'd be supportive

23:04 ↗ of moving forward with that sounds like

23:06 ↗ you're heading that direction well

23:08 ↗ that'll help us get there

23:11 ↗ any other questions

23:13 ↗ I might have one later okay

23:17 ↗ so the next topic for discussion is is

23:20 ↗ the new element title and wonder if we

23:22 ↗ can get feedback on this and what we

23:24 ↗ heard from uh the board at the April

23:28 ↗ meeting was and you know a blank title

23:30 ↗ of environment wasn't going to be

23:32 ↗ suitable enough which fully understand

23:34 ↗ so we wanted to throw out

23:37 ↗ um based on some of the language that we

23:39 ↗ found in the comprehensive plan now

23:42 ↗ what is are are we moving in the right

23:45 ↗ direction what language should we use

23:47 ↗ what should we not use and again we

23:50 ↗ haven't decided on anything this is

23:51 ↗ primarily just getting in the next step

23:53 ↗ of getting more feedback

23:56 ↗ um

23:57 ↗ yeah the word a word that I like is

24:00 ↗ stewardship so I would propose something

24:02 ↗ like natural environment stewardship but

24:04 ↗ I don't remember exactly where that word

24:06 ↗ has been used in some of the language uh

24:09 ↗ that motivated this whole this whole

24:12 ↗ process uh but it captures well the idea

24:15 ↗ well it's not about just preserving the

24:17 ↗ status quo it's about uh you know being

24:19 ↗ a good Steward to make it uh better if

24:23 ↗ it needs to be better and then since

24:25 ↗ it's more

24:27 ↗ reflecting on what our role as humans is

24:31 ↗ in this process of being good stewards

24:34 ↗ of the way

24:35 ↗ so that's that's my thought

24:38 ↗ s thank you

24:41 ↗ of those I like the third one and

24:43 ↗ environment

24:46 ↗ as I was looking at it I also thought

24:49 ↗ should like

24:53 ↗ something about

24:56 ↗ greenhouse gas reduction being there as

24:59 ↗ well so

25:02 ↗ agile environment

25:04 ↗ climate resilience and mitigation Maybe

25:07 ↗ just like that

25:11 ↗ but

25:13 ↗ Tom's word could be it was stewardship

25:16 ↗ right

25:18 ↗ uh yeah the issues of like uh the

25:22 ↗ environmental greenhouse gas reduction

25:25 ↗ see that's all part of being a good

25:27 ↗ story

25:28 ↗ yeah so it kind of catches those kinds

25:30 ↗ of things I think so it could be

25:33 ↗ environmental stewardship

25:38 ↗ resilience

25:44 ↗ uh yeah I have been brainstorming I um I

25:48 ↗ do support and really enjoy the work

25:50 ↗ stewardship I think that that's an

25:51 ↗ assistant way of doing it I had

25:53 ↗ apply and Preserve the natural world

25:56 ↗ um things like protecting the

25:57 ↗ environment

25:58 ↗ um environmental preservation enhancing

26:00 ↗ our natural world

26:02 ↗ um and would be a proponent of um maybe

26:04 ↗ using more direct language and make our

26:07 ↗ sister cities

26:08 ↗ in this

26:13 ↗ you don't know that you need the word

26:15 ↗ natural I think it's implied I think you

26:17 ↗ can just say environmental or

26:18 ↗ environment I like the stewardship idea

26:20 ↗ I think that sounds really good

26:23 ↗ environmental stewardship

26:27 ↗ and climate resilience because

26:30 ↗ the environmental stewardship

26:33 ↗ is part of the mitigation but the

26:37 ↗ climate resilience is a step more where

26:39 ↗ we're taking action to

26:42 ↗ um

26:43 ↗ put up places for people to go and it's

26:46 ↗ too hot

26:47 ↗ you know emergency stuff right

26:52 ↗ you said environmental stewardship with

26:54 ↗ climate resilience

26:55 ↗ that sounds kind of good

26:59 ↗ you're looking for an exact title I just

27:02 ↗ we're looking for thoughts we you know

27:05 ↗ we we knew what we we shouldn't be

27:07 ↗ including from the April meeting we

27:09 ↗ wasn't sure if we were kind of heading

27:11 ↗ to Mark with some of the suggestions so

27:12 ↗ this is actually really helpful

27:14 ↗ any other thoughts

27:18 ↗ okay

27:21 ↗ timing Next Step so right now we're

27:23 ↗ still in the analysis phase and engaging

27:25 ↗ much of the boards of commissions about

27:26 ↗ how investors will approach some of the

27:28 ↗ elements

27:29 ↗ um

27:30 ↗ and just as a brief reminder a lot of

27:34 ↗ the elements have already been updated

27:35 ↗ in the last few years and so much of the

27:37 ↗ discussion about goals and policies is

27:39 ↗ really going to be focused on just minor

27:43 ↗ changes to a lot of those elements or

27:46 ↗ for parks and economic development more

27:48 ↗ of development of their new plans as

27:51 ↗ part of the comprehensive plan so some

27:54 ↗ of these discussions are going to be a

27:55 ↗ little more focused rather than the

27:57 ↗ broader comprehensive plan so when we

27:59 ↗ have a couple questions it's more of

28:00 ↗ addressing any of the issues that some

28:02 ↗ of you might highlight in some of our

28:04 ↗ discussions that we'll be having

28:06 ↗ okay

28:10 ↗ oh and lastly for a process

28:13 ↗ um what you can expect at least with

28:14 ↗ this comprehensive we're working with a

28:16 ↗ lot all the boards commissions and with

28:18 ↗ their respective topics in the

28:20 ↗ conference plan to put together

28:21 ↗ recommendations in terms of what's going

28:24 ↗ to be changing within the comprehensive

28:27 ↗ line all that will be going to the PPC

28:29 ↗ or the planning policy commission to

28:31 ↗ review and who will ultimately make

28:34 ↗ final recommendations to the city

28:36 ↗ council thank you

28:38 ↗ planning policy commission's review of

28:40 ↗ the conference plan is actually a

28:41 ↗ requirement of the state which is why

28:43 ↗ it's set up this way but we are trying

28:45 ↗ to make this as friendly as possible

28:46 ↗ these important commissions to help

28:48 ↗ communicate any of those recommendations

28:50 ↗ to Bank policy as well through this

28:52 ↗ process so if you have any questions

28:53 ↗ about that please let me know

28:56 ↗ and then we discussed all this so that

28:59 ↗ actually concludes my presentation

29:05 ↗ yes I had a question it may be more

29:08 ↗ detailed than you were looking for but

29:09 ↗ there's somebody that popped out of me

29:11 ↗ so

29:12 ↗ um

29:14 ↗ on the Environmental

29:17 ↗ impact on the new one

29:20 ↗ uh there's housing and jobs and I

29:24 ↗ noticed that we're at like 104 of

29:27 ↗ hitting the target so we're beyond the

29:29 ↗ target for housing

29:32 ↗ we're we're beyond the target for the

29:35 ↗ year not our toll Target

29:39 ↗ and then for jobs it

29:44 ↗ the target we were like way off the

29:46 ↗ target

29:47 ↗ and so

29:49 ↗ I had a few questions about that so what

29:52 ↗ one thing is is what does there is a

29:55 ↗ chart where it said commercial

29:57 ↗ um

29:58 ↗ takes one acre

30:01 ↗ job capacity would be 89

30:04 ↗ um Industrial

30:06 ↗ takes 12.5 acres and that would be 280

30:09 ↗ jobs and mixed use is

30:12 ↗ 244.3 acres and 20 738 jobs so what is

30:17 ↗ the mixed use is that what was read on a

30:21 ↗ map that was farther down so like stores

30:24 ↗ storefronts and stuff yeah typically the

30:26 ↗ mixed use is going to be

30:29 ↗ um you know residential top with ground

30:31 ↗ retail sometimes it'll be gravity till

30:34 ↗ commercial middle and residential top it

30:36 ↗ really is it's mainly just explaining

30:38 ↗ this the combination of different things

30:42 ↗ so I noticed it was just in a specific

30:45 ↗ area So when you say

30:49 ↗ um

30:49 ↗ residential so a lot of people are

30:51 ↗ working

30:52 ↗ and when the growth management Act was

30:55 ↗ written

30:57 ↗ we weren't doing so much

30:59 ↗ um virtual community right and that is

31:04 ↗ um that's a big part of it and I know

31:07 ↗ that they talk about it at the UTC and

31:10 ↗ stuff like that's that we want to

31:12 ↗ promote that and um because there's a

31:16 ↗ lot of infrastructure that needs to be

31:17 ↗ built

31:18 ↗ you know roads and

31:22 ↗ just new lanes and

31:24 ↗ off ramps and then buildings so that's a

31:28 ↗ lot of energy so

31:31 ↗ do we need so how important is it do you

31:35 ↗ feel a lot of pressure to as a city to

31:37 ↗ hit those targets so that you can get

31:40 ↗ grants or

31:42 ↗ are you talking about the growth targets

31:44 ↗ so like the number of housing units it's

31:48 ↗ primarily of just that's us setting a

31:50 ↗ goal so one thing to consider is we have

31:53 ↗ a building Capacity Analysis as part of

31:55 ↗ the comprehensive plan and the total

31:58 ↗ capacity that we could do based on our

32:00 ↗ zoning today could be a total of about

32:03 ↗ 12 000 new housing units in the city

32:06 ↗ our growth Target for housing we've set

32:10 ↗ at 3 000 000 units I well it was by 2035

32:14 ↗ would now be 2044. and all the other

32:18 ↗ cities have set very similar housing

32:20 ↗ targets to go for it's not necessity

32:22 ↗ that says how much population will grow

32:24 ↗ is primarily the same this is what we're

32:27 ↗ aiming for and encouraging for in terms

32:28 ↗ of Development coming into the city and

32:31 ↗ um most of that is going to be primarily

32:33 ↗ or it's encouraged to be primarily in

32:35 ↗ central is equal for much of the growth

32:38 ↗ for now

32:40 ↗ so do you think it would help us

32:43 ↗ um

32:43 ↗ reach our climate goals if we encourage

32:46 ↗ more telecommunity and virtual so giving

32:49 ↗ people credit for working at home

32:53 ↗ and I didn't see that in the equation at

32:55 ↗ all so there's a lot of people in

32:57 ↗ Issaquah that

32:59 ↗ maybe we could be counting because they

33:02 ↗ have home offices now they might

33:04 ↗ they used to go into the office in

33:07 ↗ Seattle or Redmond or someplace else but

33:09 ↗ now they're here so

33:12 ↗ that might help us return Target

33:17 ↗ it depends on the target we're talking

33:18 ↗ about the jobs Target the jobs Target

33:22 ↗ potentially the state so the state is

33:25 ↗ actually has been discussing how they

33:28 ↗ evaluate the workforce because work from

33:31 ↗ home has become a lot more prominent

33:34 ↗ but some of that is Shifting in the

33:36 ↗ other direction now more recently a lot

33:38 ↗ of the larger corporations or businesses

33:40 ↗ in the region have been shifting them at

33:42 ↗ having their employees come into the

33:45 ↗ office a lot more and so a lot of people

33:48 ↗ are still trying to monitor to see where

33:49 ↗ this actually lands or what direction it

33:51 ↗ might be heading out is is it going to

33:53 ↗ be a split hybrid model for a lot of

33:55 ↗ these businesses or is it going to be

33:57 ↗ focused on

33:59 ↗ um promoting more of the work from home

34:02 ↗ and what that means so that'll actually

34:03 ↗ help us determine what our targets

34:06 ↗ should be because if we're looking at

34:07 ↗ our our commute to production targets

34:10 ↗ we've exceeded that with all the work

34:12 ↗ from home shift during the pandemic

34:16 ↗ um by a lot but if we're just looking at

34:19 ↗ greenhouse gas emissions when people

34:21 ↗ shifted from Green from working from

34:23 ↗ home other people shifted from transit

34:26 ↗ to now driving their cars and so now you

34:29 ↗ have this complete shift in travel

34:31 ↗ behavior for a lot of the communities in

34:33 ↗ this line around us that is now changing

34:36 ↗ how we are now gauging where a lot of

34:40 ↗ the greenhouse gas emissions are coming

34:42 ↗ from

34:43 ↗ and so

34:44 ↗ keyboard is now starting to come back to

34:46 ↗ Transit and people are now starting to

34:48 ↗ go back to the office are we shifting

34:50 ↗ back or is it going to be something in

34:51 ↗ the middle that we're going to land on

34:54 ↗ right and like well we don't have any

34:56 ↗ control over what other cities like

34:58 ↗ Seattle that is like I don't know if it

35:00 ↗ was Seattle or

35:02 ↗ somebody else who encouraged companies

35:05 ↗ to ask people to come back to work

35:07 ↗ um

35:09 ↗ as a city we might be able to work with

35:12 ↗ the businesses here to say hey we

35:15 ↗ encourage you to help us reach our

35:19 ↗ climate

35:20 ↗ goals and encourage you to um if you

35:24 ↗ want people to come back and have the

35:26 ↗ different businesses

35:29 ↗ do it on different days so that it

35:33 ↗ what they did in Seattle is terrible

35:36 ↗ because now they just traffic went real

35:39 ↗ crazy again

35:41 ↗ so just some thoughts yeah no I think

35:43 ↗ these are great thoughts and and all in

35:46 ↗ our wheelhouse in terms of like what we

35:48 ↗ could like to talk about so if you have

35:50 ↗ more thoughts like this we'd love to

35:52 ↗ talk about how we can best address some

35:54 ↗ of the issues or difference in issues

35:56 ↗ now that

35:58 ↗ world has changed quite a bit since the

36:00 ↗ last time we went through a periodic

36:01 ↗ update do we need to look at different

36:03 ↗ targets so please send us more if you

36:07 ↗ know questions about this kind of things

36:10 ↗ so I in the interest of time I'll

36:13 ↗ if you have any other follow-up

36:14 ↗ questions please let me know you can

36:16 ↗ send me an email

36:22 ↗ I am on the calendar to come back

36:26 ↗ all right well there's nothing else I

36:28 ↗ will head out thank you all

36:32 ↗ right thanks good to see you again yeah

36:34 ↗ it's good to see you

36:37 ↗ okay next up is uh the natural

36:39 ↗ environmental checklist it's our annual

36:41 ↗ review of the checklist and Christian's

36:43 ↗ going to be walking us through this one

36:45 ↗ welcome Christian

36:47 ↗ thank you can everybody hear me okay

36:49 ↗ yeah great uh yeah I'm Christian Goetz

36:52 ↗ I'm the current planning manager and

36:54 ↗ this is the uh annual check-in on the

36:58 ↗ natural environment environmental

37:00 ↗ checklist

37:02 ↗ um

37:03 ↗ since we met last year there have been

37:05 ↗ no projects that have required to come

37:08 ↗ have been required to complete the

37:10 ↗ checklist which is why I don't have a

37:12 ↗ presentation to kind of run through of

37:14 ↗ what are we talking about as far as

37:16 ↗ who's who's come through

37:19 ↗ um what are there any conditions to kind

37:22 ↗ of Truth out the the checklist as well

37:26 ↗ there aren't any projects that have been

37:28 ↗ completed so kind of those two

37:29 ↗ benchmarks of new project in gone

37:32 ↗ through the check you know provided the

37:33 ↗ information on the checklist

37:36 ↗ and then the wrap up uh phase so really

37:40 ↗ this is a an opportunity to run through

37:44 ↗ the checklist with the the changes that

37:46 ↗ have happened since last year

37:50 ↗ um I'll pull up on the screen a version

37:52 ↗ that has the track changes which is a

37:54 ↗ little bit easier to see than scrolling

37:55 ↗ back and forth or kind of toggling back

37:57 ↗ and forth between

37:59 ↗ um Pages 42 and the the pages prior

38:02 ↗ which might be good to kind of recognize

38:05 ↗ what we added in there uh to the

38:08 ↗ checklist based on the comments as well

38:09 ↗ as the just general cleanup based on the

38:14 ↗ title 18

38:15 ↗ amendments so we no longer do a

38:19 ↗ neighborhood meeting and a community

38:20 ↗ meeting we merge that together into one

38:24 ↗ pre-application community meeting

38:27 ↗ where in this checklist is going to be

38:29 ↗ completed

38:31 ↗ um so why don't I pull that up at least

38:34 ↗ to have for conversation purposes

38:38 ↗ um

38:39 ↗ so really what I'm looking for tonight

38:42 ↗ is any thoughts on what's been done to

38:45 ↗ the checklist since the last time

38:48 ↗ and any any input so following what the

38:53 ↗ the duties and responsibilities of the

38:56 ↗ environmental board

38:57 ↗ provide that feedback on the checklist

39:00 ↗ and then see if there's anything else

39:02 ↗ that could be added that would help

39:04 ↗ identify and inform uh policy potential

39:08 ↗ policy changes into the future which

39:11 ↗ obviously is tough with Title 18 just

39:13 ↗ wrapping up but uh never a bad time to

39:16 ↗ kind of run through run through this

39:20 ↗ after we kind of run through this I do

39:22 ↗ want to chat about the spreadsheet which

39:23 ↗ was the the final attachment to this

39:27 ↗ item

39:28 ↗ but just kind of open it up right now to

39:31 ↗ questions on

39:34 ↗ the checklist as it stands today

39:38 ↗ um and see if there's any input there

39:42 ↗ could you make it larger yeah

39:46 ↗ single page

39:49 ↗ and maybe maximize on your screen

39:51 ↗ because we're seeing a couple different

39:53 ↗ dots documents

39:55 ↗ you didn't get draft changes right no I

39:58 ↗ think when I pdf'd it for some reason

40:00 ↗ they disappeared

40:02 ↗ so that's my Christian's gonna walk

40:04 ↗ through you have this document but I

40:06 ↗ don't think it showed the track changes

40:07 ↗ and you've got the old one for some

40:09 ↗ reason the packages didn't remain sure

40:13 ↗ sure so

40:15 ↗ the majority on the first page I'll go

40:17 ↗ through real quick these these were just

40:20 ↗ code the code to update edits so there's

40:23 ↗ there were no changes to the uh you know

40:26 ↗ the reasoning behind this uh into the

40:30 ↗ checklist

40:31 ↗ uh this initial section these were

40:34 ↗ changes based on on code updates and

40:37 ↗ then

40:38 ↗ um

40:39 ↗ adding in

40:41 ↗ sort of based on recommendations

40:43 ↗ when there is a stream or a wetland what

40:47 ↗ is the buffer condition that's often you

40:50 ↗ know it's something that we we often

40:51 ↗ will get with what we will always get

40:53 ↗ with a write-up but

40:56 ↗ in talking with the board last year uh

41:00 ↗ what being able to take the current

41:02 ↗ condition and then when the project is

41:04 ↗ completed did you go from a low

41:06 ↗ functioning Wetland and Wetland buffer

41:08 ↗ to a high functioning with all the

41:10 ↗ mitigation that occurred uh or was it

41:12 ↗ currently uh a rare but maybe

41:16 ↗ well-functioning moderate to high

41:18 ↗ functioning uh buffer so kind of adding

41:21 ↗ in some additional points that

41:23 ↗ help within the the preliminary

41:26 ↗ conversations

41:28 ↗ were added in here

41:33 ↗ um additionally just you know for

41:35 ↗ shorelines is what's the current

41:36 ↗ condition is it armored or is it natural

41:38 ↗ just kind of

41:41 ↗ triggering the the conversation

41:44 ↗ um and highlighting those those items

41:46 ↗ which will relate to the

41:49 ↗ that spreadsheet later on

41:55 ↗ and then this question number two was

41:58 ↗ added has there been a peer review

42:00 ↗ obviously if it's very early on in a

42:03 ↗ project they may not have had a project

42:06 ↗ a report that could be peer-reviewed but

42:08 ↗ if it had been

42:10 ↗ um we definitely would be able to

42:13 ↗ provide some information provide those

42:15 ↗ materials

42:17 ↗ at

42:19 ↗ the pre-application community meeting

42:21 ↗ which would be

42:24 ↗ I think something the community would

42:26 ↗ want sounded like it was something the

42:27 ↗ board wanted last year so we threw that

42:29 ↗ in there

42:35 ↗ and then on this page a few additions

42:40 ↗ um

42:40 ↗ getting into a little bit more of the

42:42 ↗ specifics

42:44 ↗ on question two does it propose to

42:47 ↗ enhance

42:48 ↗ include some values so such as square

42:50 ↗ footages of structures or improvements

42:52 ↗ that are removed are you tearing down a

42:55 ↗ building and removing it from a buffer

42:58 ↗ what uh how big was it what's being

43:01 ↗ improved there

43:04 ↗ and then getting into some some

43:06 ↗ specifics on lighting

43:08 ↗ and then

43:10 ↗ I suppose question number five could

43:12 ↗ could be expanded into question five and

43:14 ↗ six with where their materials provided

43:17 ↗ but really looking at did they provide a

43:21 ↗ a view corridor assessment with photo

43:24 ↗ simulations of what the structures may

43:26 ↗ look like

43:27 ↗ did they start to at this very early

43:31 ↗ stage begin to analyze

43:33 ↗ if we're going to construct a building

43:35 ↗ of certain size

43:38 ↗ will there be any any impacts to the the

43:42 ↗ scenic resources that are within that

43:45 ↗ that immediacy or even a little further

43:47 ↗ out so it kind of depends on the scale

43:49 ↗ of the of the structure

43:51 ↗ so those were those are what we added

43:53 ↗ based on last year's input

43:55 ↗ um

43:57 ↗ and if there's anything you see there

43:59 ↗ that you like don't like

44:02 ↗ this is this is a good opportunity to

44:04 ↗ kind of talk through it

44:10 ↗ Tom

44:13 ↗ uh so I have some comments about the

44:16 ↗ general

44:16 ↗ philosophy of process Improvement

44:21 ↗ um a process Improvement mantra

44:24 ↗ plan do check acts you know this is

44:28 ↗ textbook uh process of improvement

44:30 ↗ parlance uh so all right this this uh

44:34 ↗ review right now by the environmental

44:36 ↗ board is is one of those sorts of things

44:38 ↗ that can be categorized in the check

44:41 ↗ um a part of the process but what I'd

44:44 ↗ like to see here is built into the

44:47 ↗ process with the participants of the

44:50 ↗ projects a post-project review sometimes

44:54 ↗ called Lessons Learned review

44:57 ↗ which looks over things at the end and

45:00 ↗ said well okay what went well what

45:03 ↗ didn't go well both from an

45:04 ↗ environmental perspective and a process

45:07 ↗ perspective and then that feedback

45:10 ↗ advises and causes updates maybe to the

45:14 ↗ process and things are approved from

45:18 ↗ there so it's more close to the people

45:20 ↗ who are actually involved in the

45:21 ↗ projects you get you know good good

45:24 ↗ feedback uh hopefully from that sort of

45:28 ↗ thing now the checklist

45:30 ↗ you could have an item at the end of the

45:32 ↗ set class who was there a post project

45:34 ↗ review but it it shouldn't be the thing

45:37 ↗ which causes it to happen that should

45:39 ↗ couple back to the procedure that it's

45:42 ↗ related to

45:43 ↗ um so there there would be some more

45:46 ↗ wordage word somewhere at the higher

45:48 ↗ level that says there shall be a

45:51 ↗ post-project review uh so that's uh

45:54 ↗ that's my comment

45:57 ↗ great

45:58 ↗ job

46:00 ↗ thank you Don it's nice to see you

46:02 ↗ Christian

46:03 ↗ um I am going to start with piggybacking

46:05 ↗ a little bit on what Tom was saying um

46:07 ↗ from the perspective of the creation of

46:10 ↗ this board

46:11 ↗ um I recall PPC fighting very hard for

46:13 ↗ there to be a regular review of this

46:16 ↗ checklist so that the people who are

46:18 ↗ closest to it were able to be able to

46:19 ↗ adapt in a very real time to it

46:22 ↗ um I didn't quite get that from this now

46:24 ↗ second or third touch of the checklist

46:26 ↗ and I think what it may be helpful to do

46:28 ↗ is to think about well we haven't really

46:30 ↗ don't have a lot of feedback on real

46:31 ↗ world conditions but we can simulate

46:33 ↗ that we can plug in projects that went

46:35 ↗ well that didn't go well and be able to

46:38 ↗ adapt it to that similar to the way that

46:40 ↗ we kind of test out code ahead of time

46:42 ↗ we can be testing out our checklist I

46:44 ↗ think in a way that gives us a little

46:46 ↗ bit more feedback than we have right now

46:48 ↗ without being too strenuous I think on

46:50 ↗ on time constraints from staff so I

46:53 ↗ would like to see a little bit of a dive

46:55 ↗ I was thinking about

46:56 ↗ um how can we take a project that was

46:58 ↗ accessible and one that wasn't applying

46:59 ↗ the checklist and seeing and simulating

47:02 ↗ um kind of an example of how we can get

47:04 ↗ that feedback is interesting

47:06 ↗ um similar to my comments that I gave

47:08 ↗ Stephen we have identified that we have

47:10 ↗ gaps in our code that need to be

47:12 ↗ addressed and for instance things with

47:15 ↗ um bugs and Pete

47:17 ↗ um being able to actually have a place

47:19 ↗ in this checklist to be able to be

47:21 ↗ addressed as absent and I would like to

47:23 ↗ see it included I'd like to see language

47:25 ↗ too that talks about the natural soil

47:27 ↗ that's being removed being estimated and

47:30 ↗ how much fill we're bringing in right

47:31 ↗ now there's a detail that um Insight

47:34 ↗ planning should be known but isn't

47:36 ↗ necessarily covered in this checklist

47:37 ↗ and I think it would be relevant I'd

47:39 ↗ also like to see on page 43 I mentioned

47:42 ↗ about compliance with our model lighting

47:43 ↗ ordinance which is newly adapted and so

47:46 ↗ rather than just talking about

47:48 ↗ um

47:49 ↗ actually kind of going in real time

47:51 ↗ obviously there are different

47:52 ↗ expectations and things we haven't code

47:54 ↗ about when developers are shutting down

47:56 ↗ sites for the night and back on

47:58 ↗ neighborhood and things like that but it

47:59 ↗ would be nice to be able to see our new

48:01 ↗ model lighting ordinance um uh reference

48:04 ↗ not just the the critical air the light

48:06 ↗ to critical areas being referenced

48:08 ↗ um we also a lot of the language talks

48:10 ↗ about critical areas which is pretty

48:12 ↗ vital but

48:13 ↗ um it kind of leaves out other areas

48:15 ↗ then maybe we don't view as critical as

48:17 ↗ being gay it's okay

48:18 ↗ weapons so I like an example here of um

48:22 ↗ well where where is it estimated that

48:24 ↗ water runoff is going to go on site

48:25 ↗ right now we only have language that

48:27 ↗ talks about it in the critical area is

48:29 ↗ it being diverted to the critical area

48:30 ↗ which is I don't want to take that away

48:32 ↗ however I think it would be if it's on

48:35 ↗ the onus of the checklist to be able to

48:37 ↗ say where are you expecting your water

48:39 ↗ runoff is going to be going even if it's

48:41 ↗ not towards a critical area so that

48:43 ↗ every project is evaluating right

48:46 ↗ um what's happening

48:48 ↗ um grounding filtration you know is it

48:50 ↗ going to a culvert a roadway

48:52 ↗ um

48:53 ↗ so I appreciate your comment about View

48:55 ↗ Corridor assessment that's something

48:56 ↗ that was needed and I'm just hoping to

49:00 ↗ expand the checklist to include not just

49:03 ↗ our critical areas but talking to about

49:05 ↗ what are the expectations on site so

49:07 ↗ that it's easier to identify hey this is

49:10 ↗ um not fulfilling what our expectation

49:13 ↗ is and be able to catch it sooner thank

49:15 ↗ you thank you thank you Joy

49:19 ↗ um I would Echo both Joy and Tom's

49:21 ↗ comments in that I think this needs to

49:23 ↗ be ground-proofed a little bit more um I

49:26 ↗ know you haven't had an opportunity to

49:28 ↗ really run as much projects through it

49:29 ↗ over the last year and that's

49:31 ↗ unfortunate and so if you have time or

49:34 ↗ if you can figure out a way to do kind

49:36 ↗ of a lock setup that would be

49:37 ↗ interesting it might be a nice exercise

49:41 ↗ sure

49:44 ↗ yeah one and one of the the tricky

49:47 ↗ pieces about this checklist is that it

49:49 ↗ is

49:49 ↗ intended to be very you know to be

49:52 ↗ managed at the at the very preliminary

49:54 ↗ stages of a project

49:56 ↗ um to to in

49:58 ↗ to to press upon an applicant these are

50:02 ↗ the important factors to to consider and

50:05 ↗ how you're designing your project and

50:09 ↗ what you have to comply with uh so it

50:12 ↗ can take some time before they've gone

50:14 ↗ through and analyzed a lot of these

50:16 ↗ things to know okay how do I manage

50:20 ↗ um or how much fill or or you know in

50:23 ↗ import or removal is needed

50:26 ↗ um

50:28 ↗ and kind of segueing into the the

50:29 ↗ spreadsheet intent you know by capturing

50:33 ↗ these items and adjusting them as a

50:37 ↗ project shifts so the example in the

50:41 ↗ packet had the Milano project well that

50:43 ↗ was its initial Proposal with so many

50:47 ↗ units I think a 25 reduction you know

50:50 ↗ that project has morphed over time it's

50:53 ↗ fewer units it's I think a 17 buffer

50:56 ↗ reduction and and a few other changes

50:59 ↗ but as a project is completed we can see

51:02 ↗ internally what's happened so we can you

51:06 ↗ know as part of a reporting out back to

51:09 ↗ you all

51:10 ↗ here's what the project was you know

51:12 ↗ here's the change you know here's their

51:14 ↗ their changes in the one way or the

51:17 ↗ other of more uh more buffer

51:20 ↗ enhancements less buffer enhancements

51:22 ↗ depending on what the code requires

51:23 ↗ here's how they're in line with the code

51:25 ↗ and then that can help

51:27 ↗ provide information to the board as well

51:30 ↗ as assist in future uh

51:35 ↗ code update uh processes if if needed

51:39 ↗ where we can say here's where here's

51:41 ↗ where we're seeing

51:43 ↗ um Improvement and here's where we're

51:44 ↗ seeing room for improvement based on

51:47 ↗ completed projects

51:54 ↗ okay one comment on the spreadsheet I

51:57 ↗ find it very hard to follow so I

52:00 ↗ consider reformatting it to something

52:02 ↗ that's a little more

52:04 ↗ yeah it was it was more just

52:07 ↗ um

52:08 ↗ a a simplistic approach to tracking

52:12 ↗ um I've I've dealt with with tracking of

52:15 ↗ of Shoreline improvements monitoring

52:19 ↗ project after project over the course of

52:21 ↗ 10 years and adding in even you know the

52:23 ↗ every tree that's added every you know

52:26 ↗ overwater structure removed by square

52:28 ↗ foot and then after 10 years you show

52:32 ↗ here's how many acres of native

52:34 ↗ vegetation we've installed here's how

52:36 ↗ much over water structures we've removed

52:37 ↗ is that good enough or do we you know

52:40 ↗ did we want to tweak that code a little

52:42 ↗ more uh to consider

52:45 ↗ greater incentive you know are there are

52:47 ↗ there carrots or sticks that we want to

52:48 ↗ put towards that so that was kind of the

52:51 ↗ intent behind what will help staff have

52:53 ↗ something to you know utilize to make

52:57 ↗ sure we're catching everything and then

52:59 ↗ we have something to to come back to

53:00 ↗ this board to to report out on so

53:04 ↗ okay

53:06 ↗ any other questions for Christian today

53:11 ↗ all right thank you Christian thank you

53:12 ↗ very much have a good evening

53:17 ↗ all right Next Step we're going to hear

53:19 ↗ about the super master plan update and

53:21 ↗ Matt is going to walk us through that we

53:23 ↗ also have Evan and Julie online

53:29 ↗ go ahead and figure out a share real

53:31 ↗ quick

53:39 ↗ there we go okay

53:41 ↗ good evening Matt Alice the Public Works

53:44 ↗ utility engineering manager

53:47 ↗ and today yeah we're talking about the

53:49 ↗ Sewer Master Plan provided an update and

53:51 ↗ we're going to talk specifically about

53:53 ↗ some of the policies that we're

53:54 ↗ considering for the master plan

53:58 ↗ uh for a quick agenda we're going to go

54:00 ↗ through the timeline uh from now until

54:02 ↗ we adopt the plan and go through a quick

54:05 ↗ background about uh where the plan began

54:08 ↗ and how we're been developing it give a

54:11 ↗ quick overview of the master plan and

54:14 ↗ then the policies that we're considering

54:16 ↗ uh we'll go over very quickly the

54:19 ↗ on-site septic system code revisions

54:21 ↗ we've talked I've brought this before

54:23 ↗ the environmental board back and way

54:25 ↗ back in February and then mobility and

54:28 ↗ infrastructure committee so we won't

54:29 ↗ have anything

54:31 ↗ necessarily new to present on that but I

54:33 ↗ will provide since there's a few new uh

54:36 ↗ board members we'll bring that up again

54:38 ↗ and then we'll talk about surcharge and

54:40 ↗ capacity capacity protocol CIP

54:43 ↗ development and then that's oils and

54:45 ↗ grease policies

54:49 ↗ so uh we are here in July and going to

54:53 ↗ provide just the the draft of the the

54:56 ↗ policies that we're discussing uh in

54:59 ↗ September we'll be going to Mobility

55:00 ↗ infrastructure again to talk about the

55:03 ↗ Consolidated master plan uh then we'll

55:06 ↗ be going to see uh going for cebra

55:07 ↗ review uh and code revisions uh putting

55:11 ↗ in all the red line code and then our

55:13 ↗ hope is to get this through Council in

55:16 ↗ October and submit to the Department of

55:18 ↗ ecology in November for adoption by the

55:21 ↗ end of the year that's our goal

55:25 ↗ so a little bit of background

55:26 ↗ uh the city of the city's Sewer Master

55:29 ↗ Plan was last updated in 2002. we've

55:32 ↗ grown from a town of 11 000 people to

55:34 ↗ about uh to nearly 40 000 residents

55:37 ↗ including mixed use large commercial in

55:39 ↗ the large commercial District large

55:41 ↗ sections of the city were either built

55:43 ↗ or Incorporated since the last sewer

55:45 ↗ matchup plan was developed uh we were in

55:47 ↗ desperate need to evaluate our system

55:49 ↗ one of the first steps in creating a new

55:51 ↗ master plan was developing and

55:53 ↗ calibrating our hydraulic model

55:55 ↗ this allowed us to determine how certain

55:57 ↗ demands both current and future growth

55:59 ↗ impacted our system as well as

56:01 ↗ evaluating the effect of intrusion and

56:04 ↗ infiltration commonly known as ini as on

56:07 ↗ the system this is where Storm surface

56:09 ↗ or groundwater unintentionally enters

56:11 ↗ our sewer system

56:13 ↗ ini has a major impact on sewer capacity

56:15 ↗ and can create environmental concerns of

56:17 ↗ a large connection is identified and

56:20 ↗ creates costly Downstream Downstream

56:22 ↗ treatment which is managed by King

56:24 ↗ County

56:26 ↗ also are systems have ini and the goal

56:29 ↗ is to effectively manage and reduce the

56:30 ↗ amount of ini entering the sewer system

56:32 ↗ uh we can know we can't get rid of it

56:35 ↗ all but we can reduce it work included

56:38 ↗ in installing flow meters and

56:39 ↗ identifying flows and calibrating and

56:41 ↗ recalibrating the model finally we said

56:43 ↗ about identifying a model store that we

56:46 ↗ felt our system should be able to handle

56:51 ↗ so here's our system all the red lines

56:55 ↗ are our sewer pipes uh the gray is smash

56:59 ↗ Plateau water district so we don't serve

57:02 ↗ the entire city uh a third of the city

57:05 ↗ is served by Spanish Plateau so we're

57:08 ↗ focusing primarily on our system

57:12 ↗ uh at first we provided our consultant

57:14 ↗ with our GI system in a series of record

57:16 ↗ drawings so they can help calibrate our

57:18 ↗ system we've been set about uh um

57:20 ↗ utilizing recently determined water

57:22 ↗ system demands from our water system

57:24 ↗ master plan uh

57:27 ↗ and and checking pipe slopes evaluating

57:31 ↗ estimated flow rates this developed our

57:33 ↗ dry weather conditions that we could

57:34 ↗ evaluate compared to our dry weather

57:36 ↗ flow meter data

57:38 ↗ uh this then helped calibrate our system

57:40 ↗ uh we made sure that the meters were in

57:42 ↗ place for a series of storm events see

57:44 ↗ our systems performed during this period

57:46 ↗ we had two relatively major storm events

57:49 ↗ during the uh the period it was in uh up

57:52 ↗ to the 10 year storm event and this

57:54 ↗ supports our ini calibration

57:57 ↗ and then we made sure our flow meters

57:58 ↗ were all distributed uh to be we're

58:01 ↗ located in every major Basin within the

58:03 ↗ city and uh

58:07 ↗ this helped providing the best

58:09 ↗ calibration we use about 10 meters for

58:11 ↗ about six months well the final step was

58:13 ↗ determine if surcharging was occurring

58:15 ↗ during any of these uh measured events

58:17 ↗ and comparing those storm events with a

58:20 ↗ modeled storm that we felt the system

58:22 ↗ shouldn't be able to handle

58:25 ↗ so again this is our system

58:27 ↗ um based on uh Basin flow Basin uh you

58:31 ↗ can hardly see the blue is the pipes

58:34 ↗ that we actually modeled

58:36 ↗ um and so we didn't do every pipe just

58:39 ↗ the major pipes and the ones that had

58:41 ↗ the most amount of flow and drained in

58:43 ↗ them it would have been too costly to

58:45 ↗ model the entire system

58:49 ↗ uh we also evaluated uh

58:52 ↗ see

58:54 ↗ so I guess that's all I'm going to talk

58:56 ↗ about for the calibration we'll get back

58:58 ↗ to that as we talk about some of the

58:59 ↗ policy on that next step is about

59:03 ↗ um our policy topics

59:06 ↗ at you want questions as we go yes

59:08 ↗ please no you absolutely

59:10 ↗ a long presentation so yes go ahead

59:13 ↗ so you mentioned test storms

59:16 ↗ yes

59:19 ↗ those storms and x amount larger than

59:22 ↗ any server there had before or

59:24 ↗ that's a good question I will actually

59:25 ↗ get back to that

59:27 ↗ um because we'll get into how we

59:28 ↗ evaluated this the storm that our system

59:31 ↗ should handle again this is not our

59:34 ↗ storm system this is our sewer but we do

59:36 ↗ unintentionally get storm water in there

59:39 ↗ and so it needs to be able to handle

59:40 ↗ that storm and so uh when I get into

59:42 ↗ that I'll talk about

59:46 ↗ so I should have done that second the

59:48 ↗ first part but we're going backwards and

59:51 ↗ we're going to talk about on-site septic

59:52 ↗ systems so that's our first policy topic

59:55 ↗ uh the second is maintaining sewer

59:58 ↗ system capacity which is influence

1:00:00 ↗ infiltration capacity impacts and then

1:00:03 ↗ developer capacity impacts and then

1:00:05 ↗ finally we'll talk about fats oils and

1:00:07 ↗ grease

1:00:10 ↗ so on-site septic

1:00:27 ↗ okay

1:00:28 ↗ so the on-site septic system coder

1:00:30 ↗ visions and policy was brought before

1:00:32 ↗ the environmental board in February uh

1:00:34 ↗ the first few slides is just a brief

1:00:36 ↗ summary like I said

1:00:37 ↗ um and why why did we update uh it was a

1:00:40 ↗ priority of council and community and

1:00:42 ↗ wanted to standardize the on-site

1:00:44 ↗ subject Management program

1:00:46 ↗ we had the responsibility to protect

1:00:47 ↗ human health in the environment and

1:00:49 ↗ there's a tmdl a total maximum daily

1:00:51 ↗ load of fecal coliforms in this squat

1:00:54 ↗ crate that we needed to manage our goals

1:00:56 ↗ is to protect the health and safety of

1:00:57 ↗ the City of Issaquah residents

1:00:59 ↗ businesses and visitors to protect the

1:01:01 ↗ environment and the quality of Issaquah

1:01:02 ↗ Lakes streams and groundwater and every

1:01:05 ↗ responsible water stewards for future

1:01:07 ↗ Generations

1:01:08 ↗ foreign

1:01:18 ↗ code chapter 13 uh which is involving

1:01:23 ↗ involving inspections reporting

1:01:25 ↗ definitions connection requirements

1:01:27 ↗ connection waivers and enforcement

1:01:30 ↗ we're also formalizing an on-site septic

1:01:32 ↗ system management program

1:01:34 ↗ uh

1:01:36 ↗ and uh this requires all subject systems

1:01:39 ↗ within the city to be inspected by a

1:01:41 ↗ licensed inspector to verify if a system

1:01:43 ↗ is functioning correctly and make

1:01:45 ↗ proactive improvements when necessary

1:01:47 ↗ we're also creating a stream monitoring

1:01:49 ↗ program uh this is due to the Department

1:01:52 ↗ of ecology implementing a total maximum

1:01:55 ↗ daily load for people call forms onto

1:01:57 ↗ School Creek the program is in place to

1:02:00 ↗ complete stream sampling for fecal forms

1:02:02 ↗ throughout the city and this is a silver

1:02:06 ↗ year process uh to complete the entire

1:02:09 ↗ sampling we have completed eight samples

1:02:11 ↗ so far throughout the city in 2022 and

1:02:14 ↗ 2023.

1:02:16 ↗ the locations were selected near

1:02:17 ↗ unsewered neighborhoods

1:02:22 ↗ foreign

1:02:26 ↗ forms above the total maximum daily load

1:02:29 ↗ on multiple occasions and at multiple

1:02:31 ↗ locations we are still evaluating uh

1:02:34 ↗ there are a lot there's a lot of

1:02:34 ↗ contributing factors and so we can't

1:02:36 ↗ dial this down to just on-site septic

1:02:38 ↗ systems but it is a point that we need

1:02:40 ↗ to to consider and help it helps us

1:02:43 ↗ evaluate

1:02:45 ↗ ah here we go ahead um I was curious uh

1:02:49 ↗ when we talk about this dichotomy right

1:02:51 ↗ of the Aging septic systems and then

1:02:55 ↗ being neighbor to so many communities

1:02:57 ↗ that are in the greater Issaquah area

1:02:59 ↗ that are built on hillsides and utilize

1:03:01 ↗ septic systems right I'm thinking of

1:03:03 ↗ Fairmont things like this that will

1:03:05 ↗ impact Downstream is aqua Creek how are

1:03:08 ↗ we thinking about

1:03:09 ↗ um

1:03:10 ↗ connection specifically

1:03:13 ↗ um for neighboring communities and

1:03:15 ↗ youths for impacting those

1:03:18 ↗ levels are you talking about Upstream

1:03:21 ↗ communities Upstream well and then I

1:03:23 ↗ mean basically surround

1:03:24 ↗ s right we were kind of all the way

1:03:26 ↗ around here that's true yeah and that's

1:03:28 ↗ been a bit of a challenge so part of the

1:03:31 ↗ standpoint is

1:03:32 ↗ sampling the Upstream section so we get

1:03:34 ↗ a base Point make sure that we're not

1:03:36 ↗ though just we know we're not the only

1:03:38 ↗ contributors and it's not only septic

1:03:40 ↗ systems we're not we can't point fingers

1:03:42 ↗ at only the people who are septic some

1:03:44 ↗ managers perfectly well and they're fine

1:03:46 ↗ a lot of people I live really far up

1:03:48 ↗ treatment so by the time they're if it

1:03:51 ↗ is even in in poor shape by the time it

1:03:53 ↗ gets to the creek it's probably not

1:03:54 ↗ doing an issue so that's part of our

1:03:56 ↗ thing is evaluating where these septic

1:04:00 ↗ systems are located geographically in

1:04:02 ↗ our city and then trying to figure out a

1:04:04 ↗ policy for that and that's kind of where

1:04:05 ↗ we're going

1:04:06 ↗ um but we we're aware that there's other

1:04:08 ↗ things there's there's Farms there's dog

1:04:11 ↗ parks there's homeless encampments that

1:04:13 ↗ can also contribute to this so this is

1:04:15 ↗ just one piece in the puzzle that's why

1:04:18 ↗ we have these centered around some of

1:04:20 ↗ the the neighborhoods that have onset

1:04:22 ↗ on-site septic systems to see if they

1:04:24 ↗ are contributing

1:04:26 ↗ um it's not

1:04:27 ↗ a thing that will be able to enforce

1:04:30 ↗ with the uh stream sampling it's just a

1:04:34 ↗ point to help us

1:04:35 ↗ fine-tune our research uh we are also

1:04:38 ↗ getting better laboratory analysis to

1:04:40 ↗ help distinguish human versus other

1:04:42 ↗ contributors but the main point is that

1:04:45 ↗ there are a lot of beaches around here

1:04:46 ↗ that are starting to close down because

1:04:48 ↗ of bacteria bacteria in the streams and

1:04:51 ↗ so we want to make sure that we're being

1:04:53 ↗ as good as stewards as we can

1:04:57 ↗ um

1:04:58 ↗ and then uh so that brings up to the

1:05:01 ↗ second point of connecting on-site

1:05:02 ↗ separate systems to sewer within

1:05:04 ↗ critical areas that's our goal yeah

1:05:07 ↗ yeah Evan

1:05:10 ↗ yeah hi I just wanted to add to that uh

1:05:13 ↗ comment on how we partner with kind of

1:05:15 ↗ our neighboring jurisdiction so the all

1:05:18 ↗ the the tmdl that Matt is talking about

1:05:21 ↗ um that is implemented in ecology is

1:05:24 ↗ implemented through our uh stormwater

1:05:27 ↗ permit that our city has and through

1:05:29 ↗ that

1:05:31 ↗ um all our surrounding neighbors have

1:05:32 ↗ that same mpds permit and they have

1:05:36 ↗ various actions they need to be doing

1:05:37 ↗ with that and so

1:05:39 ↗ um

1:05:39 ↗ our our actions are identified in What's

1:05:42 ↗ called the issqua creek Basin cleanup

1:05:44 ↗ plan or something like that and so King

1:05:46 ↗ County also is doing uh screenings for

1:05:49 ↗ in ms4 for um uh fecal call forms and uh

1:05:54 ↗ E coli and stuff like that so

1:05:56 ↗ um and then we do have Regional meetings

1:05:59 ↗ with all our neighbors and everything on

1:06:01 ↗ on all these kind of topics so

1:06:03 ↗ um it's definitely something that we're

1:06:05 ↗ always talking about

1:06:07 ↗ um and we have lots of regional partners

1:06:10 ↗ that are in the same boat as us on that

1:06:13 ↗ just over the headwaters which makes it

1:06:16 ↗ a little easier

1:06:18 ↗ um

1:06:20 ↗ well I'm a fan of data driven decisions

1:06:24 ↗ and uh sounds like you don't have the

1:06:26 ↗ data to show that these systems are

1:06:28 ↗ contributing to the call form uh

1:06:31 ↗ accountants yes and no so we do have uh

1:06:35 ↗ data and we have identified that we have

1:06:38 ↗ far exceeded the tmdl of fecal coliforms

1:06:42 ↗ around these neighborhoods we know that

1:06:44 ↗ there was a contributors

1:06:46 ↗ potentially but that's why we are also

1:06:48 ↗ adding uh uh future laboratory analysis

1:06:51 ↗ to distinguish between human and

1:06:53 ↗ non-humans that way we can actually make

1:06:55 ↗ that together

1:06:57 ↗ yeah well it seems like you need that

1:06:59 ↗ data before you decide on a policy

1:07:01 ↗ change

1:07:04 ↗ and I guess see part of this

1:07:08 ↗ a a well-operating uh OSS is an

1:07:13 ↗ environmentally sound system yes but you

1:07:17 ↗ know they might not be uh well

1:07:19 ↗ functioning but if it is it's a it's a

1:07:21 ↗ it's a good system environmentally and

1:07:24 ↗ in some ways it's a better environmental

1:07:27 ↗ solution than pumping all of our sewage

1:07:30 ↗ 20 miles to put it into South uh that

1:07:34 ↗ just seems crazy to me and we continue

1:07:37 ↗ to go down that path uh but that I mean

1:07:39 ↗ we're all the whole region is has bought

1:07:43 ↗ into that solution I'm not buying it I

1:07:46 ↗ think someday we'll figure out that's a

1:07:48 ↗ that's a dump solution but anyway that's

1:07:51 ↗ the direction we're at it uh so I look

1:07:53 ↗ at I think that the measures you're

1:07:56 ↗ proposing here for managing and

1:07:59 ↗ expecting uh systems is a good idea

1:08:03 ↗ but I'm not convinced that septic

1:08:07 ↗ systems on science different systems are

1:08:09 ↗ inherently bad which is part of what I'm

1:08:12 ↗ getting out of this no they're evil we

1:08:14 ↗ must get rid of them no and that's the

1:08:16 ↗ one thing that we don't want to do is

1:08:17 ↗ we're not forcing connections we want to

1:08:20 ↗ make sure that they aren't working

1:08:22 ↗ correctly because one thing we after

1:08:23 ↗ interviewing many people who are on

1:08:25 ↗ septic a lot of them aren't testing

1:08:27 ↗ their systems we want to make sure that

1:08:28 ↗ they're at least testing to make sure

1:08:30 ↗ that systems are functioning correctly

1:08:32 ↗ if they are functioning perfectly well

1:08:34 ↗ we're happy with them them continuing

1:08:37 ↗ but our system is next to the creek

1:08:40 ↗ where this is the the it routinely

1:08:43 ↗ floods or it has high ground water

1:08:45 ↗ that's where we're concerned we're not

1:08:47 ↗ concerned about the people who are up

1:08:48 ↗ the hill who have great soils that are

1:08:52 ↗ infiltrating we're worried about the

1:08:53 ↗ people who are right next to these

1:08:55 ↗ critical areas that's what I mean our

1:08:57 ↗ biggest worry at the moment as the city

1:08:59 ↗ evaluated any possibility of treating

1:09:04 ↗ treating the sewer report within our

1:09:08 ↗ little domain instead of pumping it into

1:09:10 ↗ Metro

1:09:11 ↗ I don't think we have the the funds or

1:09:13 ↗ capacity to do that that's a good

1:09:15 ↗ question or an oral location yeah

1:09:18 ↗ exactly but uh this just the whole

1:09:21 ↗ system just seems wrong to me for the

1:09:24 ↗ raving manage the sewage in the whole

1:09:26 ↗ Seattle area but uh anyway that's that's

1:09:30 ↗ a bigger a bigger issue

1:09:32 ↗ so yeah

1:09:34 ↗ okay thank you yeah

1:09:36 ↗ um so uh

1:09:40 ↗ we did create the policy uh where we

1:09:43 ↗ proposed the policy and received

1:09:45 ↗ concurrence from Mobility infrastructure

1:09:46 ↗ uh that City would fund sewer extensions

1:09:49 ↗ into uh critic areas that are neighbors

1:09:54 ↗ that are in critical areas and that's

1:09:56 ↗ where that's where we're focusing our

1:09:58 ↗ energy

1:09:59 ↗ uh the city would would fund that

1:10:01 ↗ through the CIP and then Property Owners

1:10:04 ↗ win their system uh fails or desire or

1:10:08 ↗ they desire to connect would then pay

1:10:10 ↗ for their site sewer

1:10:14 ↗ so here are the the code revisions that

1:10:16 ↗ we're proposing I basically would want

1:10:19 ↗ to revise the connect uh revise and

1:10:21 ↗ connections require uh

1:10:23 ↗ requiring and connection required for

1:10:25 ↗ Parcels Within

1:10:27 ↗ with structures uh I can't talk sorry

1:10:31 ↗ revised from connections required for

1:10:34 ↗ Parcels with instructors so remains

1:10:36 ↗ funding their property to within 200

1:10:37 ↗ feet of their property so basically

1:10:39 ↗ right now uh we're saying that if sewer

1:10:42 ↗ is

1:10:43 ↗ next to their property they would need

1:10:45 ↗ to connect now we're seeing the 200 feet

1:10:47 ↗ if their system isn't working properly

1:10:51 ↗ um

1:10:51 ↗ keyword isn't working properly you're

1:10:54 ↗ not interesting people you're not

1:10:55 ↗ important we're not forcing people it's

1:10:57 ↗ only if their system is in failure

1:11:00 ↗ I have a question clarification of that

1:11:03 ↗ so is that 200 feet to the public system

1:11:07 ↗ or suppose Suppose there is a private

1:11:09 ↗ line system that goes into the public

1:11:12 ↗ system uh that's uh available within us

1:11:17 ↗ that's a good question I think we'd have

1:11:19 ↗ to evaluate that on Case by case

1:11:20 ↗ situation uh a lot of these there's a

1:11:23 ↗ lot of topographic challenges no matter

1:11:25 ↗ what so even if it is let's say 100 feet

1:11:28 ↗ there's a Creek in the way or there's a

1:11:30 ↗ hillside in a way it may not necessarily

1:11:33 ↗ mean that you are forced to connect

1:11:35 ↗ because of geographic constraints and

1:11:38 ↗ that's something that we are considering

1:11:39 ↗ as well

1:11:42 ↗ you said if um their system's not

1:11:46 ↗ working properly

1:11:48 ↗ then will they also be given the

1:11:49 ↗ opportunity to fix their system yes and

1:11:52 ↗ that's the main thing we want

1:11:54 ↗ um again if if you're if a property is

1:11:57 ↗ in this critical area and Sewer is

1:11:59 ↗ available and their system doesn't work

1:12:01 ↗ then we want them

1:12:03 ↗ but if they're up on the hill and they

1:12:06 ↗ have other options but like what if

1:12:08 ↗ they're in that critical area and the

1:12:10 ↗ system can be fixed can they fix their

1:12:13 ↗ septic system instead of looking at

1:12:15 ↗ sewer depends on what the failure is so

1:12:18 ↗ if it's like minor impacts to the septic

1:12:21 ↗ box itself then yeah absolutely if it's

1:12:25 ↗ the whole drain field needs to be

1:12:26 ↗ repaired then no that's where we would

1:12:28 ↗ want them to be connected

1:12:29 ↗ it will be that's what that's the red

1:12:32 ↗ line code that we're working on there's

1:12:35 ↗ a lot of nuance on that makes it

1:12:37 ↗ challenging

1:12:38 ↗ um again we're going to require

1:12:40 ↗ inspections

1:12:41 ↗ um based on King County Board of Health

1:12:43 ↗ that's three years every three years for

1:12:45 ↗ a gravity system and every year for a

1:12:47 ↗ pumped system

1:12:48 ↗ that's just in line with uh the

1:12:51 ↗ recommendations for King County

1:12:53 ↗ uh currently that's not being enforced

1:12:55 ↗ and we want to make that enforced and if

1:12:57 ↗ a system is suspect of being in Failure

1:12:59 ↗ uh we want that verified through a Dye

1:13:03 ↗ test just to make sure that there is no

1:13:05 ↗ uh dispute over if a system isn't

1:13:08 ↗ working properly we do that digest make

1:13:11 ↗ sure it is and then that helps us

1:13:13 ↗ informs us on what either

1:13:16 ↗ repair needs to occur or if it needs to

1:13:19 ↗ be connected

1:13:20 ↗ uh violation violation uh repairs and

1:13:23 ↗ replacement to septic systems are

1:13:25 ↗ required as soon as possible

1:13:27 ↗ um failed septic systems will be

1:13:29 ↗ reported at the King County Health

1:13:30 ↗ Department that currently is is

1:13:32 ↗ occurring

1:13:33 ↗ um they don't have any uh

1:13:37 ↗ regulatory

1:13:40 ↗ enforcement but they do check up if a

1:13:44 ↗ system isn't working properly properly

1:13:46 ↗ so it's just to codify that and then the

1:13:48 ↗ sewer is available in existing failed

1:13:50 ↗ subject system lies within a critical

1:13:52 ↗ area the property must connect to sewer

1:13:55 ↗ and then we did hear from a Mobility

1:13:58 ↗ infrastructure on a penalty they want us

1:14:00 ↗ to evaluate that a little further this

1:14:02 ↗ element we have not completely

1:14:03 ↗ identified because it's a bit of a

1:14:06 ↗ challenging subject in how do we enforce

1:14:08 ↗ it or originally propose not to enforce

1:14:10 ↗ this through a penalized system uh and

1:14:13 ↗ but we're still looking at that

1:14:18 ↗ so uh here's the extension program we've

1:14:22 ↗ created a sewer extension program which

1:14:24 ↗ we included in in the most recent

1:14:26 ↗ Capital Improvement plan this is a

1:14:28 ↗ programmatic effect effort to extend

1:14:30 ↗ sewers into unsure neighborhoods that

1:14:32 ↗ are within critical areas our goal is to

1:14:34 ↗ provide sewer availability for all

1:14:36 ↗ properties Within These critical areas

1:14:37 ↗ within a certain time frame so in tier

1:14:40 ↗ one is the 100 year flood play Shoreline

1:14:43 ↗ buffer boundary and Commercial and

1:14:45 ↗ Industrial properties properties we want

1:14:46 ↗ them to sewer to be available within 20

1:14:48 ↗ years again doesn't mean they're forced

1:14:51 ↗ to connect only when their system isn't

1:14:52 ↗ working and then tier two is other

1:14:55 ↗ stream buffers Wetland boundaries and

1:14:57 ↗ documented areas with high groundwater

1:14:59 ↗ within 30 years and then tier three is

1:15:01 ↗ the critical area critical Aquifer

1:15:03 ↗ recharge area within four years

1:15:06 ↗ historically we've looked at private

1:15:08 ↗ septic systems equally uh but uh

1:15:11 ↗ geographically speaking systems are not

1:15:14 ↗ the same and we need to look at this

1:15:16 ↗ from more of the critical area

1:15:17 ↗ standpoint

1:15:22 ↗ so here is tier one tier one is the

1:15:26 ↗ purple line

1:15:28 ↗ and there are the pockets of septic that

1:15:31 ↗ were uh that we're looking at

1:15:34 ↗ could you blow that up I cannot I don't

1:15:39 ↗ think oh I can oh that's a new feature

1:15:42 ↗ for me

1:15:43 ↗ I don't know if I can scroll down I can

1:15:45 ↗ okay

1:15:47 ↗ this is exciting

1:15:51 ↗ um and again some of these

1:15:54 ↗ this is just looking at it from a GIS

1:15:57 ↗ standpoint some of these properties are

1:16:00 ↗ um may not be able to be developed fully

1:16:03 ↗ um or may have other constraints so this

1:16:06 ↗ is the preliminary evaluation

1:16:09 ↗ there's going to be more evaluation to

1:16:11 ↗ make sure that these are are in fact

1:16:13 ↗ able to be consumed to be extended and

1:16:16 ↗ it isn't viable uh option for them

1:16:20 ↗ yeah

1:16:23 ↗ I think you answered it but I was just

1:16:25 ↗ questioning so these areas do not

1:16:27 ↗ currently have sewer to them that's

1:16:29 ↗ correct that's for there it's going to

1:16:32 ↗ be hard to see but they're they're a

1:16:34 ↗ difference so yeah okay the little

1:16:36 ↗ yellow boxes well the yeah

1:16:41 ↗ Plateau orange or ours

1:16:44 ↗ um okay so I just was trying to identify

1:16:47 ↗ them with the circles is all I was doing

1:16:49 ↗ okay

1:16:51 ↗ thank you

1:16:52 ↗ here's tier two the stream buffers

1:16:54 ↗ there's quite a bit more stream buffers

1:16:56 ↗ I didn't even do all the stream buffers

1:16:58 ↗ because there's a lot of streams in

1:16:59 ↗ Issaquah uh and it it blows up when you

1:17:01 ↗ do this uh by identifying those

1:17:04 ↗ properties that have a string buffer in

1:17:07 ↗ them and have septic but again like I

1:17:09 ↗ said not all these are realistic some of

1:17:11 ↗ their their subject systems are outside

1:17:13 ↗ of the stream buffers this is just a

1:17:15 ↗ quick evaluation to kind of show where

1:17:18 ↗ those are at

1:17:19 ↗ and then here is the the current

1:17:23 ↗ will be updated Cara for the uh one to

1:17:27 ↗ ten year infiltration system so

1:17:29 ↗ basically

1:17:30 ↗ um

1:17:32 ↗ people call forms and other file uh

1:17:36 ↗ bacteria from subject systems can't get

1:17:40 ↗ into the aquifer we're not worried about

1:17:42 ↗ that what we're worried about here is

1:17:44 ↗ just any immersion contaminants that may

1:17:47 ↗ occur that we we are proactive and uh uh

1:17:51 ↗ making sure those subject systems are I

1:17:54 ↗ have an ability to connect to sewer so

1:17:56 ↗ they don't impact our aquifer with any

1:17:59 ↗ weird chemicals and there's only a few

1:18:01 ↗ in there that we haven't addressed for

1:18:03 ↗ the other two tiers

1:18:07 ↗ so again that's the end of that segment

1:18:10 ↗ um and again this was brought before uh

1:18:13 ↗ environmental board before is there any

1:18:15 ↗ other any questions regarding uh on-site

1:18:18 ↗ septic before I go into the next section

1:18:23 ↗ considering how dense

1:18:25 ↗ those areas are are there like how many

1:18:29 ↗ septics

1:18:30 ↗ you say there are that's a good question

1:18:33 ↗ I know there's

1:18:34 ↗ like 400 in the city and like 200 Within

1:18:39 ↗ These critical areas but some of them

1:18:41 ↗ are small pockets and some of them

1:18:43 ↗ aren't really this is again looking at

1:18:45 ↗ it from the JS standpoint which means

1:18:47 ↗ that

1:18:48 ↗ they're not as accurate as like going

1:18:51 ↗ out to the property physically seeing as

1:18:53 ↗ a really an issue or not so we're still

1:18:55 ↗ evaluating some of this this is just to

1:18:58 ↗ put it on the cat this the capital

1:19:00 ↗ Improvement plans that way we can

1:19:02 ↗ proactively uh evaluate these these

1:19:05 ↗ areas and make sure we have funding to

1:19:07 ↗ do so

1:19:09 ↗ did you say that this city would pay for

1:19:12 ↗ the hookup no we would we would pay for

1:19:16 ↗ the extension where it's appropriate to

1:19:19 ↗ within you know beyond a barrier or to

1:19:22 ↗ within 200 feet and then the property

1:19:24 ↗ owner would do the side sewer connection

1:19:26 ↗ to the to that sewer line

1:19:29 ↗ do you give them 200 keys or I mean if

1:19:33 ↗ we're extending sewer we'd probably make

1:19:34 ↗ it to the property line okay we'd make

1:19:36 ↗ it reasonable so that way they're all

1:19:38 ↗ they're responsible for is the from

1:19:41 ↗ their house to the to the line

1:19:44 ↗ disappoint on and operate the the side

1:19:48 ↗ tap from the main sewer line to the

1:19:50 ↗ property line

1:19:53 ↗ so

1:19:55 ↗ uh Connie had brought up the water

1:19:58 ↗ levels like we're taking the water away

1:20:00 ↗ that it has normally been there because

1:20:02 ↗ of the septics

1:20:06 ↗ and I'm not sure how it would work

1:20:08 ↗ because of how dense it is but have you

1:20:10 ↗ thought about like and I've said this

1:20:12 ↗ before

1:20:13 ↗ gray water like promoting gray water and

1:20:17 ↗ just have you know there's a lot of

1:20:19 ↗ challenges we will actually talk about

1:20:21 ↗ gray water as part of our fog protocol

1:20:23 ↗ but that is that is I think it's more

1:20:27 ↗ risky to do that a lot more costly to uh

1:20:31 ↗ be treating and then infiltrating

1:20:33 ↗ separating your system right your your

1:20:36 ↗ black water from your gray water because

1:20:38 ↗ then you basically have to have two

1:20:39 ↗ systems in your house and uh

1:20:43 ↗ yeah I've looked into this years ago on

1:20:48 ↗ uh um repurposing that stuff and it's

1:20:51 ↗ there's a reason why it's not in in the

1:20:53 ↗ Seattle area just because it's it's very

1:20:55 ↗ expensive to do

1:20:58 ↗ I only have one comment on policy I

1:21:01 ↗ think while we're still here it's on

1:21:02 ↗ page 49 policy 2A

1:21:04 ↗ um right now our language may require uh

1:21:08 ↗ is what's used

1:21:10 ↗ um and I would prefer more precise

1:21:11 ↗ language for the growth accommodation

1:21:13 ↗ requirement

1:21:15 ↗ um I'd like to have an accommodation for

1:21:16 ↗ info to have happier language or

1:21:18 ↗ capacity improvements oh we're not to

1:21:20 ↗ that possible oh sorry okay but yes

1:21:23 ↗ we'll get to that

1:21:25 ↗ thank you

1:21:27 ↗ okay

1:21:28 ↗ so

1:21:30 ↗ with that

1:21:35 ↗ [Music]

1:21:46 ↗ surcharging protocol so this is the

1:21:50 ↗ second part of the of the Sewer Master

1:21:52 ↗ Plan is evaluating our capacity and uh

1:21:56 ↗ why is it an issue

1:21:58 ↗ um obviously we don't want a picture

1:21:59 ↗ like this this is not in the city if you

1:22:02 ↗ were wondering that's bad we don't want

1:22:04 ↗ sewer to be bubbling up on the sewer

1:22:06 ↗ system that's way worse than a septic

1:22:07 ↗ system right

1:22:09 ↗ um so we're trying to reduce the amount

1:22:11 ↗ of

1:22:13 ↗ surcharging system surcharge just means

1:22:15 ↗ the sewer goes above the pipe level and

1:22:19 ↗ into the manholes not bubbling now

1:22:21 ↗ that's the worst case scenario

1:22:24 ↗ um

1:22:27 ↗ we also didn't want it to back up in

1:22:29 ↗ other people's properties or homes and

1:22:31 ↗ we want to make sure uh influent

1:22:34 ↗ infiltration in our system was a

1:22:35 ↗ measurable amount that our systems could

1:22:37 ↗ handle uh finally we need to reduce the

1:22:39 ↗ amount of stormwater entering King

1:22:40 ↗ County system as they treat it we don't

1:22:43 ↗ want to have them we don't want them to

1:22:45 ↗ treat more water than they need to

1:22:51 ↗ so uh one of our first orders of

1:22:54 ↗ business was determine the size of storm

1:22:56 ↗ event that our sewer system could handle

1:22:58 ↗ knowing some infiltration was going to

1:23:01 ↗ occur in our system King County uses 20

1:23:04 ↗ a 20-year storm event as a calibration

1:23:08 ↗ we elected to do similar in our design

1:23:10 ↗ storm is between the 20 and 25 years

1:23:13 ↗ theoretical storm event it was based on

1:23:15 ↗ an actual storm that we measured in

1:23:18 ↗ February of 2022. uh and this is based

1:23:22 ↗ on rage rain gauge data you feel using

1:23:25 ↗ the actual storm as a useful metric to

1:23:27 ↗ make sure our system could manage large

1:23:29 ↗ storm events

1:23:35 ↗ yeah

1:23:37 ↗ let's see

1:23:40 ↗ so uh here's an image of the storm event

1:23:42 ↗ for a certain section of sewer pipe uh

1:23:45 ↗ gray is the normal diurnal use on that

1:23:48 ↗ section of pipe and this is an actual

1:23:50 ↗ uh measured flow that we saw and then

1:23:53 ↗ blue is the storm in question as you can

1:23:57 ↗ see we observed a lot of storm uh

1:23:59 ↗ surface and or groundwater entering that

1:24:01 ↗ particular that's right stretch of the

1:24:03 ↗ pipe and this by the way is the worst

1:24:05 ↗ case scenario this is the worst spot in

1:24:08 ↗ the city most of our city was great this

1:24:10 ↗ was not we won't be fixing this

1:24:13 ↗ but it's a good example uh this is the

1:24:16 ↗ same section of python profile blue is a

1:24:18 ↗ pipe depth green is a ground surface and

1:24:21 ↗ red is surcharging uh within those those

1:24:25 ↗ manholes

1:24:26 ↗ again this is the worst case in the city

1:24:28 ↗ and it has been included in the CIP but

1:24:31 ↗ I just wanted to kind of show it because

1:24:32 ↗ it does really highlight what we're

1:24:34 ↗ trying to deal with

1:24:37 ↗ so

1:24:38 ↗ this all boils down uh to a policy

1:24:42 ↗ statement and maintaining our sewer

1:24:43 ↗ system capacity the city has two

1:24:45 ↗ distinct geographic features that we

1:24:48 ↗ need to worry about

1:24:49 ↗ account for this policy we have the

1:24:52 ↗ valley floor where we have sewer lines

1:24:55 ↗ that are shallow and flat and then we

1:24:57 ↗ have Mountain sites where sewer lines

1:24:59 ↗ are steeper grades and can be really

1:25:01 ↗ deep

1:25:02 ↗ for this reason we are proposing two

1:25:04 ↗ different thresholds for investigating

1:25:06 ↗ an upsizing or repairing pipe segments

1:25:08 ↗ to improve capacity our plan is to

1:25:11 ↗ include segments of pipe that meet these

1:25:13 ↗ thresholds in the CIP as we evaluate

1:25:16 ↗ there is some terminology that we need

1:25:18 ↗ to that I need to clarify

1:25:20 ↗ um the hydraulic grade line which is FMS

1:25:23 ↗ do this line right here

1:25:28 ↗ is the depth of water within the segment

1:25:31 ↗ of the pipe it can be less than the

1:25:33 ↗ diameter of the pipe but it can also be

1:25:34 ↗ higher if sewer is backing up into

1:25:36 ↗ mammals hydraulic grade line is

1:25:38 ↗ essentially evaluating the evaluation of

1:25:40 ↗ the surcharging and surcharging is

1:25:42 ↗ measured as the height of water divided

1:25:45 ↗ by the diameter this gets really

1:25:46 ↗ confusing so I apologize uh if a sewer

1:25:49 ↗ pipe is two feet uh wide and sewage is

1:25:53 ↗ backing up two feet above the crown of

1:25:55 ↗ the pipe basically right here that would

1:25:58 ↗ be two divided by two uh four divided by

1:26:02 ↗ two which is two that's the the

1:26:04 ↗ surcharge if in the same pipe it's only

1:26:06 ↗ half the height of the pipe diameter the

1:26:08 ↗ surcharge would be 0.5 a pipe running

1:26:10 ↗ full capacity has a surcharge value of

1:26:13 ↗ one

1:26:14 ↗ uh free board is the depth of pipe minus

1:26:17 ↗ any surcharging freeboard value of zero

1:26:19 ↗ means the sewage is INS is spilling out

1:26:21 ↗ of the top of the manual uh it can be

1:26:23 ↗ the same it can also be the same as the

1:26:25 ↗ pipe depth if no flow is

1:26:28 ↗ most policy we're considering uh two

1:26:31 ↗ things for shallow pipes uh we that is

1:26:35 ↗ less than eight feet of Freeport we're

1:26:36 ↗ proposing in proposing to investigate or

1:26:40 ↗ upsize pipes if surcharging is higher

1:26:42 ↗ than the diameter of the pipe I mean

1:26:44 ↗ sewer backs up into the manholes above

1:26:47 ↗ the type of top of the pipe during the

1:26:49 ↗ design storm event

1:26:51 ↗ for deeper pipes greater than eight feet

1:26:53 ↗ of freeboard we are proposing to

1:26:54 ↗ investigate or upsized pipes if

1:26:56 ↗ surcharging is more than twice the

1:26:58 ↗ diameter of the pipe meaning that we

1:27:00 ↗ allow sewer to back up into the manholes

1:27:02 ↗ twice as high as the pipe diameter

1:27:04 ↗ during the design of Summer Event

1:27:06 ↗ um and this policy is based on the

1:27:09 ↗ evaluations of our new now calibrated

1:27:11 ↗ sewer model

1:27:14 ↗ let's see

1:27:15 ↗ if you guys have monitoring equipment

1:27:17 ↗ out in your sewer system so

1:27:19 ↗ yeah so we did

1:27:22 ↗ showing when you're having surgery we

1:27:25 ↗ did we put it in for six months and we

1:27:28 ↗ are King County Metro or I'm sorry

1:27:31 ↗ what was Metro King County Sewer still

1:27:35 ↗ has some in there so they're still

1:27:37 ↗ evaluated

1:27:39 ↗ um but so the question for the board is

1:27:40 ↗ uh do you concur with our two-pronged

1:27:43 ↗ policy approach of

1:27:46 ↗ um basically having two different

1:27:47 ↗ thresholds one for shallow pipes and one

1:27:49 ↗ for deeper pipes

1:27:53 ↗ comment on your numbers

1:27:56 ↗ it's all complicated I apologize for

1:27:58 ↗ that the concept is great

1:28:03 ↗ so again unfortunately the cfp had to be

1:28:06 ↗ developed before the master plan could

1:28:08 ↗ be finalized but based on the proposed

1:28:10 ↗ policy we evaluated our current demands

1:28:13 ↗ and future growth scenarios in the city

1:28:15 ↗ the cfp correlates to this

1:28:18 ↗ um we had to assume a degraded

1:28:20 ↗ degradation over time meaning that their

1:28:23 ↗ system will contribute more ini in the

1:28:26 ↗ future if the existing pipes in manholes

1:28:29 ↗ nurses were not maintained we are

1:28:31 ↗ currently using King County standard to

1:28:34 ↗ seven percent increase in ini entering

1:28:37 ↗ our sewer system every decade

1:28:39 ↗ based on this we had only one section of

1:28:41 ↗ pipe that we added to the cap for

1:28:43 ↗ investigation and Remediation

1:28:47 ↗ uh and this is this pipe section is

1:28:49 ↗ behind the fish hatchery in a different

1:28:51 ↗ way and this uh is the pipe segment that

1:28:54 ↗ I showed earlier and it is already on

1:28:55 ↗ the ca

1:28:57 ↗ uh since and since it's on the CIP we've

1:29:01 ↗ allocated funds and we are going to

1:29:02 ↗ investigate and fix the issue

1:29:06 ↗ but that leads to our second policy

1:29:08 ↗ question for you guys tonight we want to

1:29:11 ↗ make we want to make sure that under

1:29:12 ↗ future scenarios that if a large

1:29:13 ↗ development is uh constructed the

1:29:16 ↗ corresponding pipe is evaluated and uh

1:29:19 ↗ upsized if need be by the developer

1:29:22 ↗ developers are required to analyze the

1:29:24 ↗ impacts of development on the existing

1:29:26 ↗ sewer system and if so basically they

1:29:29 ↗ would either model it or get

1:29:32 ↗ we'd be able to model their

1:29:35 ↗ uh flow into the system and see if I I

1:29:39 ↗ they need to contribute and that's based

1:29:42 ↗ off of this table here

1:29:46 ↗ so if a model pipeship is segment is

1:29:49 ↗ subject to surcharging and developer

1:29:51 ↗ developer plans to connect to the pipe

1:29:53 ↗ uh then Financial

1:29:56 ↗ participation for improvements are

1:29:58 ↗ proposed as shown uh sir charging was

1:30:00 ↗ occurring and the plan development

1:30:02 ↗ contributes less than 10 percent of the

1:30:04 ↗ flow to the pipe they're not responsible

1:30:06 ↗ for upsizing the main or if however if

1:30:09 ↗ they plant the planned development

1:30:10 ↗ contributes over 80 percent of the flow

1:30:12 ↗ to the pipe uh and it does create

1:30:16 ↗ surcharging based off the previous

1:30:18 ↗ policy then they are responsible for 100

1:30:20 ↗ of upgrades in the system

1:30:24 ↗ and we don't have explicit examples of

1:30:26 ↗ this with other cities but this is a

1:30:28 ↗ similar to our stormwater evaluation and

1:30:30 ↗ improvements we want to make sure that

1:30:32 ↗ growth pays for growth and improvements

1:30:34 ↗ to the city system is paid by the

1:30:36 ↗ responsible parties and not rank pay

1:30:38 ↗ right rate payers significant

1:30:40 ↗ contributor of waste is added to the

1:30:42 ↗ system so again question from the board

1:30:44 ↗ you concur with our policy standpoint

1:30:47 ↗ requiring developers to contribute uh to

1:30:50 ↗ sewer upsizing if they add measurable

1:30:54 ↗ amounts of waste to our system

1:30:56 ↗ you're here

1:30:58 ↗ what have you been insulted with

1:31:00 ↗ other cities around the area to see how

1:31:02 ↗ they're doing this I have not we'll

1:31:04 ↗ we'll evaluate will that be part of the

1:31:06 ↗ process yes

1:31:10 ↗ so what's the size of development they

1:31:14 ↗ would typically

1:31:15 ↗ I kick things over that 10 threshold

1:31:18 ↗ somebody was building a four Plex for

1:31:20 ↗ example I imagine that would I imagine

1:31:22 ↗ it wouldn't either depends on the pipe

1:31:24 ↗ side so typically these are pipes are

1:31:26 ↗ probably handling 100 or 100

1:31:29 ↗ of uh houses uh and so it would take

1:31:34 ↗ something probably

1:31:36 ↗ more than ten houses

1:31:38 ↗ to kick it over that limit

1:31:41 ↗ it depends where in the city it is yeah

1:31:44 ↗ it's going to depend on the pipe our

1:31:45 ↗ pipe system has been so patched together

1:31:47 ↗ we have different rates and so as you

1:31:49 ↗ start to see turnover and you start to

1:31:51 ↗ see single homes changing over to

1:31:53 ↗ triplexes and things like that you're

1:31:56 ↗ it's totally going to be variable on

1:31:57 ↗ where you are in the city

1:31:59 ↗ it's not gonna I don't think there's

1:32:00 ↗ going to be in about

1:32:02 ↗ like has our power pipes our

1:32:04 ↗ it depends if we get like a big

1:32:07 ↗ commercial mixed use sure then or and

1:32:10 ↗ we've got some a few that are still

1:32:12 ↗ coming in it's it's less and less now

1:32:15 ↗ but you know

1:32:17 ↗ lower the supplies is still developing

1:32:20 ↗ so those are the areas that we're really

1:32:21 ↗ concerned because again that's the most

1:32:24 ↗ growth is in the valley floor which is

1:32:26 ↗ the flat pipes scenario and so we want

1:32:29 ↗ them to be we want to make sure that

1:32:30 ↗ they contribute if they are created

1:32:34 ↗ so like in an Old Town a popular thing

1:32:37 ↗ that's been going on recent years is to

1:32:39 ↗ tearing down a few houses the building

1:32:41 ↗ uh you know six six unit uh building or

1:32:46 ↗ something like that so that may or may

1:32:48 ↗ not contribute that's correct and and

1:32:51 ↗ that's why we wanted to have a step

1:32:53 ↗ approach so let's say if they contribute

1:32:55 ↗ 10 percent uh and it does create an

1:32:59 ↗ issue then they would need to help

1:33:01 ↗ support

1:33:02 ↗ or the the pipe Network to increase

1:33:05 ↗ capacity uh up to 20 percent

1:33:09 ↗ of that that project

1:33:11 ↗ not the whole thing

1:33:13 ↗ but if again if it's like a huge condo

1:33:16 ↗ complex they put in 200 homes and they

1:33:20 ↗ contribute 80 of the flow to that system

1:33:23 ↗ and it isn't working correctly and they

1:33:25 ↗ need to pay for 100 of them

1:33:28 ↗ at least that's our proposal

1:33:34 ↗ okay

1:33:35 ↗ um so CIP interface the cfp again was

1:33:38 ↗ adopted before completion the master

1:33:40 ↗ plan uh who identified critical areas to

1:33:43 ↗ evaluate included uh select sewer

1:33:46 ↗ extensions based on past environmental

1:33:48 ↗ board and mobility and infrastructure

1:33:49 ↗ discussions and we included areas of

1:33:52 ↗ high search

1:33:53 ↗ so here's our uh uh CIP CIP schedule for

1:33:58 ↗ sewer uh where we've interfaced with the

1:34:01 ↗ uh draft master plan we have uh one

1:34:05 ↗ extension the upper second word

1:34:07 ↗ extension uh Highlands lift station

1:34:09 ↗ improvements

1:34:11 ↗ um which will help with capacity uh

1:34:13 ↗ South Newport and wildwood sewer

1:34:15 ↗ remediation that's the area where we saw

1:34:17 ↗ the the

1:34:19 ↗ capacity issue and then we have some

1:34:23 ↗ infiltration intrusion in the islands

1:34:25 ↗ that will be preparing as well

1:34:30 ↗ okay

1:34:31 ↗ you know that fats oils and grease so as

1:34:34 ↗ part of the Sewer Master Plan we also

1:34:35 ↗ took a look at our fog program

1:34:38 ↗ uh we identified two areas concerned

1:34:41 ↗ that are currently not addressed in our

1:34:43 ↗ city code and this does not impact the

1:34:45 ↗ CIP it will have impact on businesses

1:34:47 ↗ around town

1:34:49 ↗ businesses contributing fog to the

1:34:51 ↗ city's sewer system should have

1:34:53 ↗ appropriate Greece interceptors based on

1:34:55 ↗ best management practices in place we

1:34:57 ↗ found two gaps in our current code that

1:34:59 ↗ we need to resolve one although all new

1:35:02 ↗ establishments are required to install

1:35:03 ↗ grease interceptors of a few existing

1:35:05 ↗ restaurants in town are still operating

1:35:07 ↗ without interceptors due to their

1:35:09 ↗ longevity this is at a single location

1:35:11 ↗ we're moving into a space where the

1:35:13 ↗ previous tenant didn't have a suitable

1:35:15 ↗ interceptor

1:35:16 ↗ we're proposing a retroactive clause for

1:35:18 ↗ Greece Interceptor Interceptor

1:35:20 ↗ installation this would have a financial

1:35:22 ↗ burden on a few existing establishments

1:35:25 ↗ requiring them to install a grease

1:35:27 ↗ Interceptor where one isn't currently

1:35:28 ↗ installed however unright unregulated

1:35:31 ↗ fats oil from Grease entering the system

1:35:33 ↗ have created blockages in the city's

1:35:35 ↗ sewer system which has created backup

1:35:38 ↗ and problems for downtown Downstream

1:35:40 ↗ customers

1:35:41 ↗ a retroactive Clause would be an in

1:35:44 ↗ alignment with neighboring jurisdictions

1:35:46 ↗ this is range between six months one

1:35:49 ↗ year in its highest three years for

1:35:50 ↗ businesses to get into compliance

1:35:52 ↗ does it require existing business owners

1:35:55 ↗ to actively manage outfall the sewer in

1:35:58 ↗ line with other business establishments

1:36:00 ↗ currently in the city

1:36:03 ↗ and uh requiring a grease Interceptor

1:36:05 ↗ varies depend greatly depending on the

1:36:07 ↗ size and type of the the Interceptor

1:36:09 ↗ installed an amount of use projected the

1:36:11 ↗ costs can vary between three hundred

1:36:13 ↗ dollars to a very small hydromechanical

1:36:15 ↗ system for as much as 25 thousand

1:36:18 ↗ dollars for a large fall system that's

1:36:20 ↗ typically for a very large manufacturing

1:36:22 ↗ establishment

1:36:23 ↗ uh this depends on the amount of Grease

1:36:25 ↗ produced producing fixtures the size of

1:36:28 ↗ the price needs to be completed by a

1:36:29 ↗ licensed mechanical engineer work

1:36:32 ↗ requires a plumbing permit so all said

1:36:35 ↗ and done the cops for an incept during

1:36:36 ↗ the permit would most likely cost

1:36:38 ↗ between three thousand and eight

1:36:40 ↗ thousand for a standard restaurant to

1:36:41 ↗ get into

1:36:43 ↗ it so the question for the board on this

1:36:45 ↗ one is do you want a retro retroactive

1:36:48 ↗ clause and if so what time frame should

1:36:51 ↗ we use

1:36:58 ↗ uh previous discussions that I've been

1:37:00 ↗ involved with and had the opportunity to

1:37:02 ↗ have with staff

1:37:04 ↗ um I will say that I'm very glad for

1:37:05 ↗ this move I think it's necessary for us

1:37:07 ↗ to retrofit and um when we were

1:37:10 ↗ evaluating the what we were estimating

1:37:13 ↗ was going to be needed we were estimated

1:37:15 ↗ businesses were going to be in around

1:37:16 ↗ the ten thousand dollar range and not

1:37:18 ↗ that 25 000 range uh and so I do think

1:37:21 ↗ it's entirely appropriate um to be able

1:37:23 ↗ to to have this change and Gap in our

1:37:26 ↗ code

1:37:26 ↗ um and right now I would be a proponent

1:37:28 ↗ of picking the the lacks option in one

1:37:31 ↗ year

1:37:32 ↗ um to be able to allow for fiscal

1:37:33 ↗ planning and giving knowing that it only

1:37:35 ↗ really applies to a few of our community

1:37:38 ↗ members also

1:37:40 ↗ um and so kind of giving what I see is a

1:37:42 ↗ more lenient choice

1:37:43 ↗ I went back

1:37:45 ↗ let me go as far as five years

1:37:50 ↗ being a business owner

1:37:57 ↗ and the cost to run a business business

1:37:58 ↗ in the city is way more and I'm not a

1:38:01 ↗ restaurant

1:38:03 ↗ is a financial strain and so I think one

1:38:08 ↗ of the things that we should look at is

1:38:09 ↗ this financial impact of existing

1:38:11 ↗ business owners

1:38:13 ↗ um is the burden always seems to fall on

1:38:16 ↗ a small business

1:38:17 ↗ but the landlord makes a lot of money

1:38:21 ↗ so my question would be is why why does

1:38:24 ↗ it always fall off a small business

1:38:26 ↗ owner and we're moving into

1:38:29 ↗ a period of time where the burden on

1:38:31 ↗ small business is probably going to be

1:38:32 ↗ greater this is not going to be the next

1:38:34 ↗ next two or three to take a challenge

1:38:37 ↗ um have we thought about or looked at

1:38:39 ↗ like where the cost really should lie

1:38:42 ↗ like the landlord has been making money

1:38:44 ↗ off that property for years and years

1:38:46 ↗ and years and years and years

1:38:47 ↗ and a lot of times I think people think

1:38:49 ↗ business owners are making this amazing

1:38:52 ↗ amount of money but um you know we have

1:38:54 ↗ very high minimum wage there's a lot of

1:38:57 ↗ things

1:38:58 ↗ that affects more businesses so

1:39:00 ↗ um I think it to me it makes more sense

1:39:02 ↗ that that would fall on the landlord and

1:39:04 ↗ not the business because he benefits he

1:39:06 ↗ or she sorry benefits from that um

1:39:09 ↗ Improvement for years to come if the

1:39:11 ↗ tenant leaves three years later they've

1:39:13 ↗ paid for it and they get nothing for it

1:39:15 ↗ so

1:39:17 ↗ um I think it's just something to

1:39:18 ↗ consider and it's still important but if

1:39:21 ↗ you need to think about where the

1:39:22 ↗ business where the cost should lie

1:39:23 ↗ specifically what I've seen is these

1:39:26 ↗ smaller units that under a thousand

1:39:28 ↗ dollars in the store units if you will

1:39:31 ↗ um are paid for by the business owner

1:39:33 ↗ but if it's built out in the parking lot

1:39:35 ↗ of the Vault or a community shared unit

1:39:38 ↗ is done by the property

1:39:42 ↗ look for a way to I've seen other

1:39:45 ↗ communities use a a mechanism of

1:39:48 ↗ allowing them to pay those overtime

1:39:50 ↗ in their utility bill

1:39:52 ↗ so it's not an upfront hit

1:39:57 ↗ we also talked about grants that are

1:39:58 ↗ being given by county in Olympia who go

1:40:01 ↗ to the business owner and not the

1:40:02 ↗ landlord previously and so when looking

1:40:05 ↗ at ways that to be able to utilize

1:40:08 ↗ current existing funds to be able to

1:40:12 ↗ supplement and how things end up getting

1:40:14 ↗ tracked

1:40:15 ↗ um it seems to be the information was it

1:40:18 ↗ was easier to go to the business

1:40:19 ↗ applicant rather than to the landlord

1:40:26 ↗ yeah especially if we want our city to

1:40:28 ↗ flourish you know small business ideally

1:40:30 ↗ it's part of every city and um you know

1:40:33 ↗ I think it we can all we start to

1:40:35 ↗ sometimes feel like man I know you guys

1:40:37 ↗ want us here we sure make it hard to be

1:40:39 ↗ here you know and so like I think how we

1:40:42 ↗ approach that might be important to to

1:40:44 ↗ the people that were asking to do this

1:40:46 ↗ right like

1:40:47 ↗ you know we want them to want to stay

1:40:49 ↗ and be a part of the city so

1:40:52 ↗ just might use them

1:40:54 ↗ and

1:40:56 ↗ um

1:40:58 ↗ do these get recycled often and turned

1:41:00 ↗ into fuel

1:41:01 ↗ to the business owners know about that

1:41:03 ↗ is that is that still happening so I

1:41:06 ↗ know for a long time french fry oil was

1:41:09 ↗ getting recycled internships

1:41:12 ↗ I think it's still happening so

1:41:16 ↗ is the early explanations too small or

1:41:19 ↗ what this isn't uh it's not the grease

1:41:23 ↗ directly from what you're thinking of

1:41:25 ↗ and that goes into a grease dispenser

1:41:28 ↗ out back in the government and then yes

1:41:30 ↗ they recycled that

1:41:32 ↗ these are Contraptions that are built in

1:41:34 ↗ line to the sewer system to capture any

1:41:37 ↗ grease that gets washed down the drains

1:41:39 ↗ before it gets into the sewer and

1:41:42 ↗ coagulates inside there and costume yeah

1:41:45 ↗ it's basically like an artery your pipes

1:41:47 ↗ or your arteries and they're slowly

1:41:49 ↗ constricted because there's stuff that

1:41:51 ↗ you will yeah you watched on great

1:41:55 ↗ do you know that people so it seems like

1:41:58 ↗ this is from washing things so are there

1:42:02 ↗ people in Issaquah that do recycle their

1:42:05 ↗ grease oil and fats I don't know that uh

1:42:08 ↗ Evan and or Julie are you on thank you

1:42:12 ↗ oh yeah I'm here

1:42:14 ↗ um so

1:42:15 ↗ it's not a

1:42:17 ↗ um it's I think the technical term is

1:42:20 ↗ brown grease and that's not something

1:42:22 ↗ that is done I think there is a like a

1:42:25 ↗ treatment plant in California that kind

1:42:27 ↗ of looks into that but that's not a

1:42:30 ↗ um

1:42:31 ↗ I don't think there isn't really an

1:42:33 ↗ industry for that uh right now

1:42:36 ↗ for as far as uh Greece from a grease

1:42:39 ↗ trap but yeah like like Don mentioned

1:42:41 ↗ uh fat uh

1:42:43 ↗ um fryer oil and that kind of stuff 100

1:42:45 ↗ that's being used and recycled uh but

1:42:49 ↗ these are are more of just a waste

1:42:51 ↗ product

1:42:52 ↗ cool thanks

1:42:55 ↗ thanks to that point I believe that

1:42:57 ↗ Issaquah doesn't have any drop-off

1:42:59 ↗ locations right now King County does but

1:43:01 ↗ Issaquah does not and so when we talk

1:43:03 ↗ about how we create um

1:43:06 ↗ easier avenues for people in Issaquah um

1:43:09 ↗ the same way that I would advocate for

1:43:10 ↗ their being not all communities have

1:43:12 ↗ compost Service as well and so being

1:43:14 ↗ able to have whether it's a weekly or a

1:43:16 ↗ monthly sponsored program to be able to

1:43:19 ↗ have people come and drop off

1:43:21 ↗ um Greece to be able to drop off compost

1:43:23 ↗ I think is a really interesting thing

1:43:24 ↗ for us to explore as things to be able

1:43:27 ↗ and resources to bring to cities to our

1:43:29 ↗ city for residents who don't have that

1:43:31 ↗ available to them to their with their

1:43:33 ↗ current you know garbage plant included

1:43:42 ↗ all right all right the last part is in

1:43:46 ↗ the second code revision require mobile

1:43:48 ↗ food vendors and food and beverage

1:43:50 ↗ establishments including food trucks and

1:43:53 ↗ freestanding coffee stands develop and

1:43:55 ↗ submit a gray water management plan

1:43:57 ↗ the nature of these business businesses

1:43:59 ↗ means that they most often operate

1:44:01 ↗ without a sewer subject dimension

1:44:03 ↗ if not managed property properly gray

1:44:06 ↗ water or other waste streams can

1:44:08 ↗ discharge the storm water system into

1:44:10 ↗ our surface waters we want to require

1:44:12 ↗ similar responsibility as brick and

1:44:14 ↗ mortar establishments including the

1:44:16 ↗ fillable form describing where they plan

1:44:18 ↗ to discharge gray water and we have not

1:44:20 ↗ developed that before them yet this

1:44:22 ↗ could include either discharging to a

1:44:23 ↗ dump station uh within a brick and

1:44:26 ↗ mortar establishment

1:44:27 ↗ or renting a portable grease Interceptor

1:44:30 ↗ and destruction disorder

1:44:31 ↗ uh similarly this would be similar to

1:44:34 ↗ the fog log that we require for Brick

1:44:36 ↗ and Mortar establishment uh we hope to

1:44:38 ↗ create a mobile vendor Gray Water

1:44:40 ↗ Management plan and website to provide

1:44:42 ↗ education and Outreach the city has

1:44:45 ↗ responded to multiple examples of this

1:44:47 ↗ kind of illicit discharges this is

1:44:49 ↗ historically used education Outreach as

1:44:51 ↗ the first approach but unfortunately the

1:44:53 ↗ educational Outreach is typically a

1:44:55 ↗ reactionary if we see an issue we want

1:44:58 ↗ something that is more enforceable for

1:45:00 ↗ these vendors and proactive to provide

1:45:02 ↗ resources up front so again question for

1:45:05 ↗ the board uh this effort will require

1:45:07 ↗ staff time and resources But ultimately

1:45:09 ↗ we'll be proactive in preventing illicit

1:45:12 ↗ discharges which takes place time and

1:45:14 ↗ resources to respond to do you agree

1:45:17 ↗ with the approach we're asking we're

1:45:19 ↗ also looking into ways to automate this

1:45:22 ↗ information and make it available at the

1:45:24 ↗ time of permit issuance for a mobile

1:45:27 ↗ offender

1:45:28 ↗ okay

1:45:30 ↗ what's in the gray water that's causing

1:45:33 ↗ problems well we just Suds and soap and

1:45:37 ↗ other debris going into our storm system

1:45:38 ↗ so again if it goes to the Sewer that's

1:45:40 ↗ great but this is actually the reverse

1:45:43 ↗ where you don't want the stuff in our

1:45:45 ↗ streams

1:45:46 ↗ um so we don't want

1:45:47 ↗ any of that stuff that's that's real bad

1:45:49 ↗ yeah I used to deliver rail up

1:45:52 ↗ on the plateau and I would often see

1:45:55 ↗ like people

1:45:56 ↗ putting paint you know there'd be like

1:45:59 ↗ white paint every other paint running in

1:46:01 ↗ and then there's the runoff from the

1:46:04 ↗ chem Lawns you ever see that we need to

1:46:06 ↗ know about it

1:46:09 ↗ actually Evan and Julie managed that uh

1:46:12 ↗ npds system so it or you know it reports

1:46:15 ↗ bills we need to know that kind of stuff

1:46:17 ↗ that's no good

1:46:19 ↗ yeah I guess I should

1:46:21 ↗ report it's okay

1:46:23 ↗ it does it does happen

1:46:25 ↗ so I'm just thinking like our suds

1:46:29 ↗ like what's worse paint

1:46:31 ↗ or sets like

1:46:33 ↗ where what's more important are the

1:46:36 ↗ chemicals that run off of the lawn

1:46:38 ↗ well they're all bad I think we're just

1:46:41 ↗ trying to manage as much as we can

1:46:44 ↗ for all this discharges and treated as

1:46:46 ↗ pollution spills and

1:46:49 ↗ illegal Dominic

1:46:53 ↗ I would ask that you not get ahead of

1:46:55 ↗ yourself on this and develop a is the

1:46:57 ↗ specific plan but rather work with the

1:47:00 ↗ region there's probably two or three

1:47:03 ↗ region-wide studies going on right now

1:47:06 ↗ specifically around mobile vendors and

1:47:09 ↗ dumping of their Gray Water Into the

1:47:12 ↗ Storm systems

1:47:13 ↗ and those are going on through the

1:47:15 ↗ stormwater action monitoring group Evan

1:47:18 ↗ knows how to get you in touch with those

1:47:19 ↗ folks great

1:47:20 ↗ um or you can send me an email I'll get

1:47:22 ↗ you in the right spot

1:47:23 ↗ um but research that before you go down

1:47:25 ↗ a path of building your own because a

1:47:28 ↗ regional approach is a much more

1:47:32 ↗ it could be a lot more powerful because

1:47:33 ↗ these trucks move around all the time

1:47:35 ↗ they're not in Mexico every day

1:47:39 ↗ thank you

1:47:41 ↗ okay

1:47:45 ↗ I highly support the language for

1:47:47 ↗ further oversight

1:47:49 ↗ um and specifically referring to the

1:47:51 ↗ further code needed to manage the gray

1:47:52 ↗ water discharge

1:47:54 ↗ um when we created the current and most

1:47:57 ↗ updated

1:47:58 ↗ code we are trying to make a more

1:48:01 ↗ inclusive place and an easier access for

1:48:05 ↗ food trucks to come into Issaquah that

1:48:07 ↗ being said we also want to know who is

1:48:09 ↗ here and for how long they're here and

1:48:11 ↗ we need to have a Veterans of

1:48:12 ↗ understanding

1:48:13 ↗ um what's happening and making not only

1:48:15 ↗ a friendlier place for it but more

1:48:16 ↗ visibility and oversight and so being

1:48:19 ↗ able to have a better understanding

1:48:21 ↗ um for also our vendors coming in about

1:48:23 ↗ what is expected of them is really

1:48:26 ↗ vitally important as we expand exactly

1:48:29 ↗ and that's a a 100 I agree with that

1:48:31 ↗ we're our hope is that this wouldn't be

1:48:33 ↗ a one-off thing this would be if you're

1:48:36 ↗ a vendor you want to come into the city

1:48:38 ↗ you apply for your permit and this is

1:48:41 ↗ part of that package deal and it's a one

1:48:44 ↗ every year you'd apply for it basically

1:48:46 ↗ so it's just a reminder hey have a plan

1:48:49 ↗ in place tell us where you're going to

1:48:51 ↗ discharge this stuff as part of the

1:48:53 ↗ permit it's not a thing that we've

1:48:56 ↗ pester them every time they come into

1:48:57 ↗ the city it's just a way that we have

1:49:00 ↗ actionable items to monitor them and

1:49:03 ↗ make sure that they they're cognitively

1:49:05 ↗ aware that they shouldn't be just

1:49:07 ↗ dumping it straight into the stream or

1:49:08 ↗ into a storm trade

1:49:11 ↗ is there any um data of

1:49:15 ↗ I'm probably a hard

1:49:17 ↗ enough where they're doing

1:49:19 ↗ no and that's a that's a tough one

1:49:21 ↗ unless we get reports about it then we

1:49:24 ↗ can get data but otherwise is it assumed

1:49:26 ↗ that a lot of times there's open it up

1:49:29 ↗ and yeah

1:49:31 ↗ really you know what I mean especially

1:49:33 ↗ if you're coming into a neighborhood and

1:49:34 ↗ you're leaving that you're just looking

1:49:36 ↗ around and it's

1:49:37 ↗ yeah

1:49:38 ↗ yeah it's the end of day when when

1:49:41 ↗ they're getting ready to shut down they

1:49:43 ↗ just pull the plug

1:49:44 ↗ I'm gonna drop right in the store

1:49:51 ↗ but if it's going in the storm drain

1:49:54 ↗ goes directly to the stream okay no

1:49:57 ↗ treatment whatsoever

1:50:01 ↗ um I'll also add you know sorry

1:50:03 ↗ um we have had lots of conversations

1:50:05 ↗ with a lot of these mobile business

1:50:07 ↗ vendors

1:50:09 ↗ um in times when they've had uh issues

1:50:12 ↗ but then also just going and having

1:50:14 ↗ conversations with them through our

1:50:16 ↗ pollution prevention program and a lot

1:50:19 ↗ of them are having it pumped out and

1:50:21 ↗ hauled out through I mean the the grease

1:50:23 ↗ trap vendors that come they can they

1:50:25 ↗ pump out their tanks as well a lot of

1:50:27 ↗ these trucks have tanks on them

1:50:30 ↗ and uh they they are hauling that off

1:50:33 ↗ and and getting that taken care of

1:50:35 ↗ another place where we always recommend

1:50:37 ↗ people is uh the RV uh dump in Issaquah

1:50:41 ↗ we we recommend you know going right

1:50:43 ↗ there is a place to do it as well so

1:50:45 ↗ there are plenty of trucks that that are

1:50:48 ↗ doing it we just uh

1:50:50 ↗ yeah we're just trying to have that

1:50:52 ↗ documented so again for like that

1:50:54 ↗ knowledge base to make sure that

1:50:55 ↗ everyone is aware of uh areas where you

1:51:00 ↗ can be doing it and then that they're

1:51:01 ↗ doing the right thing too so

1:51:04 ↗ I guess just one thing to add I think

1:51:08 ↗ um human beings operate better when

1:51:10 ↗ they're um rewarded not punished so

1:51:13 ↗ maybe another thing to think about as

1:51:14 ↗ we're thinking about this moment

1:51:16 ↗ rewarding them for for doing the right

1:51:19 ↗ thing right because it's probably very

1:51:21 ↗ tempting to do the wrong thing it's

1:51:22 ↗ pretty easy so maybe if there's some

1:51:24 ↗ sort of advantage to you know if they're

1:51:27 ↗ like I don't know maybe the RV park has

1:51:28 ↗ a cost I don't think it does though I

1:51:30 ↗ think it's just a ton but but maybe

1:51:32 ↗ there's a you know hey it's free if you

1:51:34 ↗ do it here or or maybe you get a you

1:51:36 ↗ know

1:51:37 ↗ prove that you've dumped it maybe you

1:51:38 ↗ get a reduction in your permit cost or

1:51:41 ↗ you know business owners love that kind

1:51:42 ↗ of stuff so I think if we can reward

1:51:44 ↗ them for the right thing they're more

1:51:46 ↗ likely to

1:51:47 ↗ cooperate and the cost is probably much

1:51:50 ↗ um lower big cooperate than us creating

1:51:54 ↗ all these systems what we can do is say

1:51:56 ↗ hey just do the right thing and you know

1:51:58 ↗ we'll give you this just a thought I

1:52:00 ↗ love it okay

1:52:02 ↗ uh sign out for Stacy because the mobile

1:52:05 ↗ RV park is um currently a piece of land

1:52:08 ↗ that's moving and is in flux and um the

1:52:11 ↗ accommodations for it and all the

1:52:13 ↗ different discussions that we had around

1:52:15 ↗ um around that um this never came up and

1:52:18 ↗ so hearing it as this is a resource for

1:52:21 ↗ our community

1:52:22 ↗ um if you could kind of put a pin in

1:52:24 ↗ this and remember as things are

1:52:26 ↗ fluctuating and um

1:52:28 ↗ that that accommodation will be reduced

1:52:32 ↗ greatly

1:52:33 ↗ um and so allowing and saying how were

1:52:35 ↗ we using that space and making sure that

1:52:37 ↗ it mirrors

1:52:38 ↗ um as it's moved is very very

1:52:41 ↗ thoughtfully

1:52:48 ↗ well that is it this is just a recap of

1:52:50 ↗ the policies that we discussed but I

1:52:52 ↗ think we I got the information I needed

1:52:55 ↗ uh any further discussion

1:52:59 ↗ I don't have anything thank you

1:53:04 ↗ do we want a are we comfortable with

1:53:07 ↗ Matt taking the notes that we've we've

1:53:09 ↗ told him verbally and allowing him to

1:53:11 ↗ move forward there do we want to form a

1:53:13 ↗ memo

1:53:14 ↗ problem consideration

1:53:16 ↗ I can summarize some of the key points

1:53:21 ↗ you're going to be this is going to come

1:53:22 ↗ back to us right

1:53:24 ↗ um I don't think so unless you guys are

1:53:28 ↗ feeling like you want any elements to be

1:53:31 ↗ rehashed

1:53:33 ↗ we'll discussed again

1:53:35 ↗ we'll see storm water will say surface

1:53:37 ↗ water but we shouldn't see just again

1:53:40 ↗ yeah surface water has actually been

1:53:42 ↗ adopted that yeah

1:53:47 ↗ this is the last of the month of the

1:53:48 ↗ master plans

1:53:51 ↗ I would I would suggest we just leave it

1:53:53 ↗ as an allowed mat to have the art you

1:53:55 ↗ know Stacy puts together and they

1:53:58 ↗ reflect in there unless everybody's what

1:54:00 ↗ anybody wants a formula

1:54:05 ↗ I really appreciate you guys this time

1:54:07 ↗ thank you man

1:54:16 ↗ all right with that Stacy you got a

1:54:18 ↗ report your schedule updates yep just

1:54:22 ↗ really briefly

1:54:24 ↗ um one uh event plague for you and then

1:54:27 ↗ just wanted to mention a couple of

1:54:29 ↗ upcoming items for our agenda

1:54:31 ↗ um July 24th you should have receive the

1:54:34 ↗ invitation as well as a reminder is our

1:54:36 ↗ lead first city certification

1:54:38 ↗ celebration luncheon

1:54:40 ↗ um there'll be lunch

1:54:43 ↗ brief program with talks and then

1:54:46 ↗ there'll be a tour of a salmon

1:54:48 ↗ restoration site near Pickering Barn

1:54:50 ↗ um so would love to see all most of you

1:54:53 ↗ there if you're able to come

1:54:55 ↗ um we'll also be doing an event with

1:54:57 ↗ Council that evening

1:54:59 ↗ and now we'll be doing some events for

1:55:01 ↗ the public the following day so if

1:55:03 ↗ you're not able to make it for the

1:55:04 ↗ luncheon

1:55:05 ↗ um David and I will be at the resource

1:55:07 ↗ fair in front of the community center on

1:55:09 ↗ act Tuesday the 25th I'm displaying the

1:55:11 ↗ posters around the lead certification

1:55:13 ↗ there's also the chalk art festival that

1:55:16 ↗ day and then there's a concert

1:55:19 ↗ so we'll be there

1:55:21 ↗ um to interact with the public and

1:55:23 ↗ showcase and celebrate the lead

1:55:25 ↗ certification

1:55:26 ↗ [Music]

1:55:26 ↗ um

1:55:27 ↗ board members at any or all of those

1:55:30 ↗ events

1:55:32 ↗ um we have a pretty heavy agendas for

1:55:36 ↗ the next couple of months as we start to

1:55:38 ↗ really dig deep into the comprehensive

1:55:40 ↗ plan so we'll be taking a lot of what we

1:55:42 ↗ heard from Stephen discussed with

1:55:44 ↗ Stephen today and then starting to move

1:55:46 ↗ into reviewing some of those new

1:55:48 ↗ components for the new environment

1:55:50 ↗ element or whatever we decide to name it

1:55:53 ↗ so that'll be a major Focus over the

1:55:56 ↗ next couple of months and then we also

1:55:58 ↗ have a couple of decision items that

1:56:02 ↗ will be coming forward

1:56:03 ↗ I believe we'll have the municipal

1:56:06 ↗ decarbonization resolution

1:56:09 ↗ um for you all to review next month and

1:56:11 ↗ that's committing the city to

1:56:13 ↗ essentially do a decarbonization study

1:56:16 ↗ for all of our buildings we'll be

1:56:18 ↗ looking for feedback and approval of

1:56:20 ↗ that we'll be having this sustainable

1:56:22 ↗ purchasing policy coming within the next

1:56:24 ↗ couple of months there'll be another

1:56:26 ↗ action item next month I've heard of the

1:56:30 ↗ request of the board we'll also hear

1:56:31 ↗ from our Communications team for the

1:56:33 ↗ opportunity for you all to meet them

1:56:35 ↗ hear what they do but then

1:56:43 ↗ so a lot on our plate for the next few

1:56:46 ↗ months but some exciting action items

1:56:48 ↗ and digging into setting vision for the

1:56:51 ↗ city

1:56:53 ↗ announcements from the board members

1:56:59 ↗ hey man returned thank you thank you

1:57:05 ↗ thank you

1:57:08 ↗ really great work Matt oh thank you yeah

1:57:10 ↗ thank you man thank you guys

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