Environmental Board · Wednesday, January 11, 2023 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of December 14, 2022

packet pp.3–5

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 12-14-22 Environmental Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Environmental Board 6:30 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. December 14, 2022 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Amendments to Rules & Regulations: Virtual Attendance (A)

Tisha Gieser, City Clerk · packet pp.7–22

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Staff report:

At the Jan. 11 Board meeting the Board is requested to adopt amendments to their Rules & Regulations to incorporate a virtual attendance policy and other minor conforming changes.

Title 18 Complete Draft Clarifying Questions (I)

Minnie Dhaliwal, Community Planning and Development Director · packet pp.23–24

Topics: Land Use

Previously discussed: Environmental Board · Dec 14, 2022

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Staff report:

Office of Sustainability 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

Sewer and Wastewater Master Plan

Discussion · Matt Ellis, Utility Engineering Manager · packet pp.25–108

Topics: Water

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Staff report:

Office of Sustainability 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Updated Environmental Board Schedule

packet pp.109–111

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Staff report:

additional offerings under the Community Energy Efficient Program grant;

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0:00 ↗ January 11th meeting that's the date

0:03 ↗ isn't it yeah January 11th meeting of

0:06 ↗ the Issaquah environmental board I'm

0:07 ↗ Jamie Finch and I'll be your chair

0:09 ↗ tonight

0:10 ↗ due to the hybrid nature of this meeting

0:12 ↗ we will have some members attending in

0:14 ↗ person and others by pure bone for mute

0:17 ↗ for meeting attendees

0:19 ↗ attending remotely please state your

0:21 ↗ name each time before speaking if

0:24 ↗ joining uh mute your microphone and uh

0:27 ↗ when not speaking

0:28 ↗ um we'll we'll get some help maybe if I

0:31 ↗ miss you for anyone that's participating

0:33 ↗ uh Stacy is always your best bet to get

0:36 ↗ uh

0:37 ↗ looked in if I've missed a comment for

0:41 ↗ Commissioners in person please uh as we

0:44 ↗ always do tell your name card to

0:46 ↗ indicate the desire to speak

0:49 ↗ um and then for major items we will uh

0:52 ↗ try to summarize agreement please feel

0:54 ↗ free to chime in if there's anything

0:56 ↗ that that you feel I've missed or or

0:59 ↗ mischaracterized on that I think with

1:01 ↗ that

1:04 ↗ we could probably get to attendance

1:07 ↗ basically because I told you that to be

1:09 ↗ great great

1:11 ↗ um Tom Anderson here

1:14 ↗ matagi ramanathan

1:20 ↗ Nancy Davidson

1:23 ↗ Jamie Finch there

1:25 ↗ Cameron Fisher yeah

1:28 ↗ Richie hasra Pennsylvania

1:35 ↗ here Lara labeko

1:41 ↗ I believe she was going to join us for

1:43 ↗ Motley we'll check back in uh Ashwin

1:47 ↗ we'll go back to Russia here

1:52 ↗ um John McWilliams here

1:55 ↗ and Nukem

1:58 ↗ IA she should be joining us shortly and

2:01 ↗ then Janet here

2:06 ↗ all right thank you Stacy

2:09 ↗ um do we have any members of the public

2:11 ↗ signed up to speak or members

2:15 ↗ we have anyone joining us here if you

2:17 ↗ have anyone remotely we do have some

2:19 ↗ members of the public okay well maybe

2:22 ↗ I'll given that we have some the public

2:23 ↗ I'll I'll start with some general

2:25 ↗ guidelines

2:28 ↗ if you would like to make comment public

2:30 ↗ comments please raise your virtual hand

2:32 ↗ to do this if you're on a phone press

2:34 ↗ star three if you join my computer or

2:37 ↗ smartphone look for the hand icon

2:39 ↗ Um this can vary by device if someone

2:41 ↗ does indicate we'll have

2:43 ↗ um we'll make sure that uh you have

2:46 ↗ about five minutes is the general

2:48 ↗ guideline we obviously value public

2:51 ↗ contact part of the public process so

2:53 ↗ with that Stacy 31 indicative desire to

2:57 ↗ speak

2:58 ↗ front door

3:00 ↗ I am not seeing any hands raised or any

3:04 ↗ comments in the chat if you would like

3:06 ↗ to speak you can go ahead and send a

3:08 ↗ chat to the host

3:10 ↗ um just indicate you'd like to speak

3:13 ↗ maybe while we're waiting to see if

3:15 ↗ anyone else would like to speak I just

3:17 ↗ did want to acknowledge that we did

3:18 ↗ receive some written comments on Title

3:20 ↗ 18 materials from Connie Marsh there

3:23 ↗ were comments on connection to the

3:25 ↗ Shoreline Master Plan update technical

3:27 ↗ review process and then overall comments

3:29 ↗ on the materials

3:33 ↗ I am not seeing anyone indicating

3:36 ↗ interest in speaking hello thank you

3:39 ↗ Stacey

3:40 ↗ um I think with that then um we can move

3:42 ↗ on to approval of the minutes

3:46 ↗ um are there any comments on the minutes

3:48 ↗ from the previous meeting

3:54 ↗ but then those are

3:57 ↗ I'm approved by unanimous consent

3:59 ↗ um and now I believe we will be moving

4:01 ↗ into our standard agenda items

4:04 ↗ um amendments to rules and regulations

4:06 ↗ being the first item up on the list

4:11 ↗ oh sorry we were going to do you write

4:13 ↗ it in pencil and I forget it

4:15 ↗ um we're gonna do some introductions so

4:17 ↗ I'll hand it over to to uh Stacy for

4:21 ↗ that great thanks Amy um just really

4:24 ↗ quickly I wanted to introduce folks in

4:25 ↗ person to Billy almanza the

4:28 ↗ sustainability intern Hasting ability

4:30 ↗ virtually that he's interested today to

4:32 ↗ have a chance to meet you all and then I

4:35 ↗ also wanted to introduce David Reedy

4:37 ↗ David started last Tuesday as the

4:39 ↗ sustainability coordinator so David will

4:42 ↗ be providing some support to the

4:43 ↗ environment award and then he's doing

4:45 ↗ full immersion right now but likely

4:47 ↗ we'll start to work a little bit more on

4:49 ↗ our internal Municipal operations

4:52 ↗ um so but we'll be providing some

4:55 ↗ support to the board going forward as

4:56 ↗ well so I don't know if you want to

4:58 ↗ spend one or two minutes just doing a

5:00 ↗ quick introduction of yourself and

5:02 ↗ background sure

5:04 ↗ um hello everyone

5:06 ↗ um as Stacy said my name is David

5:08 ↗ um so I I'm from the Boston area

5:13 ↗ um and uh I most recently was working

5:16 ↗ with the government accountability

5:17 ↗ office here in their Seattle office

5:19 ↗ doing

5:20 ↗ um

5:20 ↗ auditing work on

5:23 ↗ Federal programs in a variety of

5:26 ↗ different fields but I do have a

5:28 ↗ background uh in a wide range of

5:31 ↗ environmental work I lived and worked in

5:33 ↗ Great Smoky Mountains National Park for

5:35 ↗ three years where I worked to expend

5:38 ↗ Equitable access to Environmental

5:39 ↗ Education I've done work in Statewide

5:43 ↗ solar renewable energy in Massachusetts

5:45 ↗ land conservation and urban

5:48 ↗ sustainability there

5:49 ↗ they did a short stint as an intern

5:52 ↗ working with the US Embassy in Stockholm

5:55 ↗ on some International environmental work

5:57 ↗ so I've kind of done a broad range of

6:00 ↗ things as well here in Seattle I've also

6:03 ↗ worked with um from the centered on

6:04 ↗ Transportation Justice policy work

6:07 ↗ um so I'm super excited to be here at

6:10 ↗ Issaquah working on a range of

6:12 ↗ sustainability issues it's great to meet

6:15 ↗ you all and I'm happy to chat with each

6:18 ↗ and every one of you on on all things

6:21 ↗ environmental here so just reach out if

6:24 ↗ you ever have any questions

6:25 ↗ everything

6:27 ↗ thank you David thank you as well all

6:31 ↗ right now we will move into our standard

6:33 ↗ agenda items amendments to rules and

6:35 ↗ regulations

6:37 ↗ thank you hi everybody Tisha gither city

6:40 ↗ clerk again

6:41 ↗ um it's nice to be with you again this

6:43 ↗ month

6:44 ↗ so uh at your last meeting your December

6:47 ↗ meeting we talked about

6:49 ↗ this virtual attendance policy

6:51 ↗ um I brought forward a proposed a draft

6:54 ↗ uh draft draft policy for you to discuss

6:57 ↗ and you had some input

6:59 ↗ um I know a few of you were not in

7:00 ↗ attendance at that but the input

7:02 ↗ received by those who were in attendance

7:04 ↗ was

7:06 ↗ you know an appreciation for the ability

7:10 ↗ to attend virtually the flexibility that

7:13 ↗ offered the opportunity to not need to

7:16 ↗ drive into meetings and to the positive

7:18 ↗ environmental impact that has in

7:20 ↗ producing reducing those trips

7:23 ↗ um but there was also uh some

7:26 ↗ recognition that there is is value to

7:29 ↗ attending meetings in person and having

7:31 ↗ the that Dynamic that is really hard to

7:35 ↗ replicate completely in the virtual

7:38 ↗ environment

7:39 ↗ a majority of the board members at that

7:42 ↗ meeting uh

7:44 ↗ spoken support of reducing that Quorum

7:48 ↗ requirements the proposed policy had

7:50 ↗ said that a quorum of your board which

7:52 ↗ in your case is five members would need

7:54 ↗ to be in person

7:55 ↗ for every meeting and then others who

7:58 ↗ wish to attend virtually could request

8:01 ↗ permission by reaching out to Stacy and

8:03 ↗ sort of she would help confirm that I

8:05 ↗ couldn't attend the emphasis was really

8:08 ↗ on having you at the meeting in person

8:10 ↗ so a majority Express support for

8:13 ↗ reducing that number down from five with

8:16 ↗ a few of you saying that you you thought

8:18 ↗ that five was reasonable

8:20 ↗ so um

8:21 ↗ tonight you have before you the policy

8:24 ↗ with a few changes

8:26 ↗ um gratefully I was able to connect with

8:29 ↗ Stacy before putting this material in

8:31 ↗ your packet and we talked through

8:34 ↗ um you know this is our was our best

8:36 ↗ effort to honor the input you provided

8:40 ↗ and also have a policy that's not too

8:43 ↗ administratively tedious

8:45 ↗ so a few of the changes

8:48 ↗ um no minimum requirement for in-person

8:52 ↗ attendance but strong language saying

8:56 ↗ that the word strives for a form of the

9:00 ↗ board to the intended in person and a

9:03 ↗ requirement that over the course of a

9:05 ↗ year in your term and board member terms

9:07 ↗ start May 1 and April 30 that you would

9:11 ↗ attend at least half of the board's

9:13 ↗ meetings in person

9:14 ↗ so

9:16 ↗ um again just a strong emphasis but less

9:18 ↗ focused on an exact number needed in

9:21 ↗ person at any given meeting

9:24 ↗ also instead of needing permission to

9:27 ↗ attend her virtually we softened it to

9:30 ↗ say that we'd like you to notify

9:32 ↗ um Stacy it's helpful for her to know

9:34 ↗ tonight as unfortunately it happened a

9:37 ↗ few times we were having some technical

9:39 ↗ issues so it's helpful to know if any

9:41 ↗ board members were expected virtually

9:43 ↗ because that impacted you know the

9:45 ↗ amount of time and the staff we might

9:47 ↗ call in to help ensure we can get the

9:49 ↗ equipment working robustly

9:52 ↗ so uh let's see here so reduced took

9:56 ↗ away the minimum requirement took away

9:58 ↗ the need for permission instead

10:00 ↗ requesting just a notification

10:03 ↗ um also removed the five day advance

10:06 ↗ notice

10:07 ↗ um so the notification could conceivably

10:10 ↗ be you know the day before the meeting

10:12 ↗ saying I'll be attending virtually we

10:14 ↗ would appreciate as much advance notice

10:16 ↗ as possible but um did remove that

10:19 ↗ requirement

10:21 ↗ I think I've covered

10:23 ↗ um the main changes that were really all

10:27 ↗ within that um new section five and

10:30 ↗ those were shown in Red Line literally

10:33 ↗ in red in your agenda packet so tonight

10:37 ↗ um I did include a proposed Motion in

10:40 ↗ the staff report uh as a reminder these

10:43 ↗ changes regarding virtual attendance and

10:46 ↗ acknowledging the virtual meetings of

10:48 ↗ the environmental board would be made to

10:50 ↗ your rules and regulations with which

10:52 ↗ the board adopts

10:54 ↗ um adoption of the rules and any changes

10:56 ↗ to them requires a majority of the full

10:58 ↗ board sentence five of you need to vote

11:00 ↗ in support of any changes

11:03 ↗ um and upon offering a motion tonight

11:05 ↗ and uh hopefully adopting

11:08 ↗ the proposed amendments in this form or

11:10 ↗ in a changed form if anyone has

11:12 ↗ amendments to propose

11:14 ↗ um I'll then modify your rules and

11:16 ↗ regulations and have the chair and vice

11:18 ↗ chair sign those and post them to the

11:20 ↗ website

11:21 ↗ um so that that is the goal of this item

11:24 ↗ and I'm here if you have any questions

11:29 ↗ thank you Patricia so I think now oh it

11:31 ↗ looks like we have our first comment

11:32 ↗ Nancy sorry I apologize in the last

11:35 ↗ meeting but just it happened but I do

11:38 ↗ have a question more for Stacy than

11:40 ↗ anything else and if you look at section

11:42 ↗ 5A it talks about

11:45 ↗ um the virtual meeting platform and

11:47 ↗ equipment needs to be available the

11:49 ↗ schedule meeting time and location prior

11:51 ↗ to us notifying you so can I request

11:54 ↗ that you put that on the agenda so that

11:56 ↗ we know if it's going to be I mean we

11:58 ↗ assume it will be here and the equipment

12:00 ↗ will be here but the intent is to have

12:03 ↗ that available so when we notify you we

12:05 ↗ don't have that question it doesn't need

12:08 ↗ to be I'm not proposing a change here

12:10 ↗ I'm proposing a change to our

12:12 ↗ agendas

12:14 ↗ and I I can't actually answer that um

12:16 ↗ Nancy so the environmental board is one

12:19 ↗ of the boards that the city has

12:20 ↗ committed to have having an ongoing

12:22 ↗ virtual component

12:25 ↗ um as I shared at the last meeting that

12:27 ↗ was initially primarily intended to

12:30 ↗ allow the public and staff to attend

12:32 ↗ remotely but with this policy and based

12:34 ↗ on input we'd like to expand that it

12:36 ↗ actually is part of one of the rule

12:38 ↗ Changers proposed tonight in these

12:40 ↗ amendments is a statement in your rules

12:42 ↗ saying that the regular meetings of the

12:44 ↗ environmental board will be held both in

12:47 ↗ person and virtually so the

12:51 ↗ um that that caveat is there mostly

12:54 ↗ because what the rules don't commit to

12:56 ↗ and what the city is not committing to

12:59 ↗ at this point is if you have a special

13:00 ↗ meeting so say you want to do you want

13:02 ↗ to have a meeting at a park or at the

13:04 ↗ city facility you know some sort of tour

13:06 ↗ or a social gathering at a restaurant or

13:09 ↗ you know park or someone's backyard I

13:12 ↗ suppose those are the type of meetings

13:14 ↗ we're not going to commit to having

13:16 ↗ virtual or even

13:19 ↗ possibly a joint meeting with another

13:21 ↗ board depending on the facility you were

13:22 ↗ using so you're you can expect as a

13:25 ↗ member that all of your regular meetings

13:28 ↗ are held you know first Wednesday of the

13:30 ↗ month we'll have that

13:31 ↗ opponent unless you're otherwise

13:32 ↗ notified

13:34 ↗ well I appreciate that response I still

13:37 ↗ think it would be great to have it on if

13:39 ↗ it's a joint agenda whatever agenda that

13:42 ↗ you're expecting environmental board

13:44 ↗ meetings members to participate in if

13:46 ↗ you notify this if there will be virtual

13:48 ↗ even if it's at a park no

13:52 ↗ um virtual or some kind of words that

13:54 ↗ says you have to attend and purpose to

13:56 ↗ be in person to be counted as

13:59 ↗ president yep I think we can do that

14:02 ↗ just it'd only be in those circumstances

14:04 ↗ where we can't do a virtual right

14:05 ↗ meeting yeah we can do that

14:10 ↗ all right any other comments or

14:12 ↗ questions on

14:14 ↗ the proposed updates

14:20 ↗ right are there any motions

14:24 ↗ hanging out there somewhere

14:28 ↗ [Laughter]

14:37 ↗ um

14:38 ↗ you know if I'm doing this right but I

14:39 ↗ moved to amend the environmental board

14:40 ↗ rules and regulations by adopting

14:43 ↗ amendments to section one regular

14:45 ↗ meetings section three Quorum section

14:47 ↗ six participation and the new section

14:49 ↗ five virtual attendance

14:53 ↗ we have a second second

14:58 ↗ thank you

14:59 ↗ um I believe now if there's any

15:01 ↗ discussion of the the motion this would

15:05 ↗ be the time for that to occur

15:11 ↗ all right

15:13 ↗ I think now then we would have Stacy

15:15 ↗ take us through a local boat

15:18 ↗ all those in favor of the motion and

15:21 ↗ improving the amendments to the

15:23 ↗ environmental board rules and

15:25 ↗ regulations

15:30 ↗ all those opposed same name

15:37 ↗ Lara did you want to vote

15:42 ↗ to figure out if I could yeah I'm I'm

15:44 ↗ with everyone yeah okay great thank you

15:49 ↗ can you see me I'm just double checking

15:51 ↗ to see if you guys okay awesome I'm a

15:53 ↗ yes too exam thank you motion passes and

15:58 ↗ work with the clerk's office to make the

16:00 ↗ Amendments so the board's rules and

16:02 ↗ regulations great thank you Tisha do you

16:05 ↗ need anything else from us no thank you

16:07 ↗ all right well thank you

16:09 ↗ all right I think with that then I think

16:12 ↗ Stacy's going to do a bit of an

16:13 ↗ introduction for the next agenda item um

16:16 ↗ title like team complete draft

16:18 ↗ clarifying questions great

16:21 ↗ um I just wanted to introduce this topic

16:24 ↗ Minnie is here essentially to answer

16:26 ↗ clarifying questions on your initial

16:29 ↗ review of the title 18 complete draft we

16:34 ↗ also have some additional staff on the

16:36 ↗ line tonight we had a pretty extensive

16:38 ↗ discussion with the Department staff at

16:42 ↗ our last meeting to talk through the

16:44 ↗ changes that have been made based on

16:46 ↗ environmental board feedback or those

16:47 ↗ that have not been made and reasoning

16:49 ↗ for that they also walked us through the

16:52 ↗ updated draft document and the structure

16:55 ↗ of it

16:56 ↗ so tonight really uh not looking

17:00 ↗ necessarily for feedback but any

17:02 ↗ clarifying questions for me as in the

17:04 ↗ team as you all continue with your

17:06 ↗ review of title 18. so we'll go over the

17:09 ↗ next steps again at the end of this

17:11 ↗ agenda item but what we are going to be

17:13 ↗ asking you to do is over the next two

17:16 ↗ weeks continue that review and document

17:19 ↗ your recommendations concerns we will

17:23 ↗ take those written concerns and

17:26 ↗ recommendations and compile them into a

17:28 ↗ letter a draft letter for Council the

17:30 ↗ board will then meet February 1st to

17:32 ↗ review and quickly finalize that drop

17:35 ↗ letter so that we could submit it ahead

17:38 ↗ of council's review of title 18. so

17:41 ↗ those are the next steps we'll revisit

17:43 ↗ them again after conversation with

17:45 ↗ Minnie and her team

17:57 ↗ I think

17:59 ↗ um yeah we missed a few of you but I

18:01 ↗ think the your

18:03 ↗ there was a quorum and now we kind of

18:06 ↗ walked through

18:07 ↗ um of all the great feedback that we

18:10 ↗ received from you throughout the process

18:12 ↗ um and you have submitted your written

18:15 ↗ um comments to accountants will be

18:17 ↗ provided in response to those in your

18:19 ↗ packet uh we also told you where the

18:21 ↗ Consolidated draft is and highlights of

18:24 ↗ changes since the last time you saw it

18:26 ↗ so uh we're happy to enter

18:29 ↗ um any you know particular topic that

18:31 ↗ you're interested in and get into that

18:33 ↗ uh in terms of the next steps for

18:38 ↗ for this item uh we have three um we

18:41 ↗ have a planning a policy commission

18:43 ↗ meeting tomorrow where we've kind of um

18:45 ↗ walking them through uh the structure of

18:48 ↗ the new Consolidated code and the policy

18:51 ↗ questions that we've teased out based on

18:53 ↗ the feedback that we've received and

18:55 ↗ then there'll be three public hearings

18:57 ↗ um each Thursday for the remainder of uh

19:00 ↗ January and and the first Thursday in

19:02 ↗ February uh will be when they'll be

19:04 ↗ receiving the public comments on the

19:07 ↗ Consolidated draft

19:08 ↗ and then we'll capture their formal

19:12 ↗ recommendation which they're required to

19:14 ↗ give a formal recommendation to council

19:16 ↗ under the state line and in our rooms

19:19 ↗ um on any development regulations to the

19:22 ↗ council committee

19:24 ↗ um we have been checking in with the

19:26 ↗ council committee after each of the six

19:28 ↗ uh individual subtopic areas so if you

19:32 ↗ remember we had divided a room to six

19:33 ↗ buckets and we all have feedback on the

19:36 ↗ natural element and environment you know

19:39 ↗ critical areas stick clubs and all that

19:41 ↗ kind of stuff and then also the

19:43 ↗ landscape and um the portion of the

19:46 ↗ three regulations but beyond that there

19:49 ↗ was other you know process procedures

19:52 ↗ zoning and uses and another development

19:54 ↗ standards so we've been checking in with

19:56 ↗ after each public hearing that the

19:58 ↗ planning a policy commission had to go

20:01 ↗ back with the council committee to see

20:03 ↗ is there anything else beyond what we've

20:05 ↗ asked do you want uh the criminal policy

20:08 ↗ to consider any addition questions so

20:10 ↗ we've had multiple checkpoints we've had

20:12 ↗ really good feedback from this

20:14 ↗ particular board on a very a lot of uh

20:17 ↗ topics

20:18 ↗ um and your fingerprints are all over

20:20 ↗ the environmental regulations here so

20:23 ↗ thank you for all your time energy

20:25 ↗ enthusiasm and all of that so happy to

20:28 ↗ answer any specific questions

20:35 ↗ all right

20:36 ↗ now

20:38 ↗ go ahead Nancy I apologize

20:45 ↗ we appreciate that

20:48 ↗ so I want to thank you very much for all

20:51 ↗ your efforts on this but I tried to I'm

20:55 ↗ still reviewing to be honest and here's

20:57 ↗ a couple of

20:59 ↗ I have a couple of challenges that I'd

21:02 ↗ like to see if you can help me

21:04 ↗ suppose I had a single family home

21:06 ↗ located along this equipment

21:10 ↗ impervious area because I want to put in

21:12 ↗ a patio or I want to expand something

21:14 ↗ well I have to do all the critical areas

21:17 ↗ reviews and all those studies because

21:19 ↗ I'm now because I'm inside a critical

21:21 ↗ area well I have to do all of those

21:24 ↗ reports just to add a small amount of

21:26 ↗ impervious area to my property I think I

21:29 ↗ do

21:30 ↗ and that's a lot of studies for a single

21:32 ↗ family home homeowner to have to do but

21:35 ↗ is that an accurate reading of what I

21:37 ↗ see here we have them in our

21:39 ↗ non-conforming you know there is a

21:41 ↗ section where a little bit of an

21:43 ↗ exemption for a single family no wonder

21:45 ↗ so you don't have to do the print

21:48 ↗ um let me get my computer and I can get

21:50 ↗ to the specific Center

21:52 ↗ um where that is

21:54 ↗ um

21:54 ↗ but

21:57 ↗ um

21:59 ↗ so you know for instance if you have

22:02 ↗ okay

22:03 ↗ if you're not really

22:06 ↗ um

22:10 ↗ adding any further surface for instance

22:13 ↗ you know you would be exempt obviously

22:16 ↗ um if you had a deck and you're

22:18 ↗ replacing it and maintaining it that

22:21 ↗ would be itself

22:23 ↗ um the

22:24 ↗ the issue with adding inferior surface

22:29 ↗ you probably will need to but let me

22:31 ↗ just confirm we also have

22:34 ↗ Doug yormick and and if they remember

22:38 ↗ so while you're thinking about that one

22:40 ↗ I'm going to offer you a scenario number

22:42 ↗ two that goes with it

22:44 ↗ I own a

22:46 ↗ business in town that's located along

22:47 ↗ with Greek and it burned down you might

22:50 ↗ know what I'm talking about yeah let's

22:52 ↗ say it's right along the creek

22:54 ↗ can I rebuild it in place and not have

22:56 ↗ to do all the critical area studies and

22:58 ↗ all that stuff

23:00 ↗ correct there's a time limit so if you

23:02 ↗ apply for your permits within a year or

23:06 ↗ something like that then you uh then you

23:10 ↗ you know you don't have to meet the new

23:12 ↗ buffers you still have to meet the new

23:14 ↗ building code and regulations and all

23:17 ↗ that kind of stuff but as far as the

23:19 ↗ screen buffer uh and critical areas and

23:21 ↗ all that stuff that goes with it second

23:25 ↗ sorry I just had a couple scenarios that

23:27 ↗ I'm struggling with as I read it and

23:29 ↗ can't figure out how to get my arms

23:31 ↗ around that piece yeah we've teased up

23:33 ↗ that one particular question about the

23:35 ↗ homeowners and how old it can be uh for

23:39 ↗ some additional policy discussion

23:41 ↗ um and laid out some pros and cons in

23:43 ↗ the planning and policy commissions

23:44 ↗ packet

23:46 ↗ um you'll see that you know for for the

23:48 ↗ next meeting uh coming up

23:51 ↗ um and really it started they're

23:54 ↗ obviously the best available science is

23:56 ↗ a certain you know that you have to

23:58 ↗ maintain within reason if the intended

24:01 ↗ goal is to get additional you know

24:04 ↗ shading of the stream or or that can be

24:06 ↗ have the homeowner spend money in doing

24:08 ↗ that instead of going through and

24:10 ↗ producing these reports the problem then

24:13 ↗ becomes you know how do we monitor that

24:15 ↗ they that those plans uh do well over

24:18 ↗ the time it's going to depend on the

24:20 ↗ homeowner to make sure that they their

24:23 ↗ water they're kept up and all that kind

24:25 ↗ of stuff and so

24:26 ↗ ecology is found that anytime you do

24:28 ↗ these kind of things it's hard for long

24:31 ↗ term you know that you are degree you're

24:33 ↗ going to end up degrading

24:36 ↗ if you do this on a large scale

24:39 ↗ uh in a lot of places so where is that

24:42 ↗ fine line of ah getting that that's one

24:45 ↗ of the questions you were sort of asking

24:48 ↗ thank you

24:51 ↗ I have a couple questions

24:54 ↗ um one of them was just around

24:57 ↗ maybe using Nancy's model as a as a

25:03 ↗ that's another way to look at this so

25:05 ↗ say we have a property in central or in

25:08 ↗ Old Town and it's a single family

25:12 ↗ um tree canopy so for that aspect

25:15 ↗ someone's doing a major Redevelopment or

25:17 ↗ I mean maybe it's a it's an empty lot I

25:20 ↗ think Redevelopment is probably a better

25:21 ↗ example

25:23 ↗ um

25:23 ↗ can you just walk us through the process

25:25 ↗ of

25:27 ↗ identifying whether they can support the

25:29 ↗ canopy requirements that are for that

25:31 ↗ given area and like how the decision

25:34 ↗ process would be made between on-site

25:36 ↗ versus Tree Bank other options just want

25:39 ↗ to make sure I understand how that how

25:42 ↗ we think that'll work in practice yeah

25:44 ↗ um you know I know Dan is

25:47 ↗ to get into the details of the tree

25:50 ↗ canopy you know calculations but in

25:53 ↗ general

25:55 ↗ um there are three things with treat

25:56 ↗ regulation one is the treat preservation

25:58 ↗ if you have an existing tree you know

26:00 ↗ that kind of thing and then we have a

26:03 ↗ tree density requirement that at a

26:05 ↗ minimum you have to leave these density

26:07 ↗ requirements and then we have

26:08 ↗ replacement regulations of where they

26:10 ↗ can be planted and how many and what's

26:12 ↗ the ratio

26:14 ↗ so the first attempt would be to figure

26:17 ↗ out what is your existing canopy and

26:20 ↗ what are you doing in your hypothetical

26:22 ↗ example

26:24 ↗ um if there are existing trees is there

26:26 ↗ an attempt to preserve the existing

26:28 ↗ Global Group trees or or if they're

26:30 ↗ really you know not very good trees and

26:32 ↗ they're dying and you know then probably

26:34 ↗ it's a different kind of a test because

26:37 ↗ they're not gonna the mature trees for a

26:40 ↗ long period of time so is it better to

26:42 ↗ start off and plant new trees and so

26:45 ↗ that sort of assessment happens with the

26:48 ↗ treat preservation

26:50 ↗ um and uh and then

26:53 ↗ um under the existing code you just had

26:56 ↗ the number of trees you know the the

26:59 ↗ caliper

27:00 ↗ um it wasn't based off of the canopy

27:03 ↗ covered so if you kept two really small

27:06 ↗ ones you met that standard as opposed to

27:09 ↗ the the larger treatment Academy for

27:12 ↗ treat preservation in that that's one of

27:14 ↗ the issues Dan do you want to fill in

27:17 ↗ and enter uh Jenny's question

27:21 ↗ uh sure so

27:24 ↗ you you mentioned uh the possibility of

27:28 ↗ or a scenario where somebody's

27:30 ↗ redeveloping in Old Town right so

27:34 ↗ we actually have

27:36 ↗ um we submit an application and

27:41 ↗ we have retention requirements so you're

27:45 ↗ going to in this hypothetical situation

27:49 ↗ you're gonna tell us how many

27:53 ↗ um caliper inches

27:55 ↗ of significant trees you have on site

27:59 ↗ and part of that requirement is going to

28:01 ↗ be that you retain a minimum of 35

28:04 ↗ percent

28:05 ↗ of the total caliber that's already on

28:09 ↗ site

28:10 ↗ now Old Town also

28:13 ↗ um you're also going to have to meet the

28:15 ↗ canopy requirements and for Old Town

28:17 ↗ that's 33 percent now if the 35

28:22 ↗ retention of the total caliper inches

28:26 ↗ also gives you the 33 or more of canopy

28:32 ↗ coverage then you're going to be good

28:34 ↗ but if for some reason that 35 percent

28:39 ↗ um doesn't provide you with enough

28:40 ↗ canopy

28:43 ↗ then you're going to provide replacement

28:46 ↗ trees

28:48 ↗ and we're going to project those trees

28:50 ↗ out for 20 years

28:54 ↗ and that will be

28:57 ↗ um

28:59 ↗ essentially the extent of the free

29:02 ↗ preservation code AS being applied to to

29:06 ↗ your hypothetical project

29:08 ↗ thanks Daniel I I think part of what I'm

29:11 ↗ curious about is I think there's also

29:13 ↗ the potential that there's a if

29:15 ↗ someone's unable to meet the requirement

29:17 ↗ and I I want a woman I want to make sure

29:20 ↗ I understand what not being able to what

29:22 ↗ that actually what are the scenarios

29:24 ↗ that someone would end up not having

29:27 ↗ fill in that requirement on site and

29:29 ↗ would have basically that some sort of

29:32 ↗ basically mitigation occurring elsewhere

29:34 ↗ through the like the tree fund during

29:36 ↗ the exact name but

29:40 ↗ yeah I I think in

29:43 ↗ I think a single family development is

29:46 ↗ probably

29:48 ↗ the least likely to need to plant

29:52 ↗ um off-site or pay into a tree fund I

29:55 ↗ think we're we're probably looking at

29:59 ↗ um commercial properties that in an area

30:03 ↗ that has a higher impervious surface

30:05 ↗ allowance I think those are the

30:07 ↗ situations in which uh folks may not be

30:11 ↗ able to plant on site where it may not

30:13 ↗ be feasible uh for family home you have

30:16 ↗ impervious surface requirements

30:19 ↗ um in most of the city

30:22 ↗ um setbacks

30:24 ↗ so there's going to be more space to

30:27 ↗ have trees

30:29 ↗ commercial development in central

30:31 ↗ Issaquah

30:33 ↗ um where you have a higher impervious

30:36 ↗ surface allotment and not as restrictive

30:40 ↗ uh setbacks those are probably going to

30:43 ↗ be the situations in which somebody may

30:45 ↗ not be able to achieve Cappy on site

30:49 ↗ okay thank you Daniel and then I believe

30:52 ↗ I thought I saw the number I know this

30:54 ↗ is not a final number but the roughly

30:57 ↗ for I don't know what size of tree this

30:59 ↗ was the cost would be roughly seven

31:01 ↗ hundred dollars

31:03 ↗ is that accurate for and maybe it would

31:05 ↗ be helpful to understand kind of what

31:06 ↗ that size at 20 years what that actually

31:10 ↗ looks like

31:12 ↗ I'm sorry 700 what what is the cost

31:16 ↗ yeah because I thought there was a and I

31:18 ↗ know there was a camera was in the memo

31:20 ↗ or where it was but I remember seeing a

31:22 ↗ number just an estimate at this point

31:24 ↗ for what that potential mitigation cost

31:26 ↗ would be for a single trade

31:29 ↗ sure so the projection that 20-year

31:32 ↗ projection doesn't really play into it

31:34 ↗ the

31:36 ↗ um I I believe what you're referring to

31:38 ↗ is there's uh

31:42 ↗ um not as part of this code but as part

31:45 ↗ of doing

31:47 ↗ um redoing our land use fees in the

31:50 ↗ future

31:52 ↗ um a recommendation to adopt a tree

31:55 ↗ replacement

31:56 ↗ fee of about 750 dollars

32:01 ↗ um and so what that means is if you are

32:07 ↗ can't plant on site

32:11 ↗ can't find a place to plant off-site

32:13 ↗ then your third and final option is to

32:17 ↗ play pay into the uh treatment

32:20 ↗ and the payment into that tree account

32:23 ↗ per tree is currently

32:27 ↗ um proposed to be around 700 to 750

32:31 ↗ and that that's per tree and that's

32:34 ↗ supposed to cover the cost of purchasing

32:37 ↗ a tree maintaining the tree installing

32:41 ↗ the tree

32:44 ↗ um

32:46 ↗ you're looking at like the first three

32:48 ↗ years

32:55 ↗ than in those legitimate you know cases

32:59 ↗ you could uh yeah I mean the 750 will

33:03 ↗ have to keep up with inflation and all

33:04 ↗ those kind of things but and monitoring

33:06 ↗ I think the bigger issue with

33:09 ↗ with the off-site tree planting is also

33:12 ↗ going to be uh you know a three-year

33:15 ↗ monitoring period so until the trees

33:17 ↗ established it's not just you plan and

33:19 ↗ walk away so there's going to be other

33:20 ↗ things as part of the replacement it's

33:23 ↗ much easier to get it planted on your

33:25 ↗ site

33:27 ↗ but sometimes I may not be comfortable

33:33 ↗ um

33:34 ↗ I think my last last question is just

33:36 ↗ related to one of the responses I got

33:37 ↗ back Crystal thank you for all the

33:39 ↗ responses that

33:41 ↗ um on my questions via email

33:44 ↗ um

33:45 ↗ the one thing

33:47 ↗ um that I did want to just

33:49 ↗ mention one more time is around the

33:51 ↗ buffer averaging for a wetland that

33:53 ↗ could be applied by the director

33:55 ↗ and I just want to make sure that that

33:57 ↗ that's something I could never be

33:59 ↗ necessarily influenced by someone that

34:02 ↗ like a developer that's something that's

34:03 ↗ purely at the discretion or like the

34:06 ↗ situation you mentioned where it's

34:07 ↗ saving a stand of trees

34:09 ↗ that's that's the only scenario that

34:11 ↗ could be is that accurate statement

34:13 ↗ correct then we can be from language

34:16 ↗ needs to be but but we've taken out the

34:19 ↗ state that anyone can apply for a buffer

34:21 ↗ reduction will get reduced it by 25 or

34:23 ↗ or a buffer averaging you know blanket

34:26 ↗ buffer aperture provisions

34:30 ↗ actual situation where you're trying to

34:32 ↗ preserve a law order of Threes And and

34:36 ↗ it may in order to get that you might

34:39 ↗ get an offset so it's an incentive with

34:41 ↗ something that great or good would come

34:43 ↗ out

34:45 ↗ but yeah we're happy to take any

34:47 ↗ suggestions in the language there if you

34:50 ↗ think

34:53 ↗ um

34:56 ↗ yes I had a process uh comment we were

34:59 ↗ having some issues with the WebEx fur

35:01 ↗ and um I remember the public here so

35:04 ↗ just at the time you deemed appropriate

35:06 ↗ if we could open back up

35:08 ↗ okay

35:10 ↗ um well maybe we will just finish out

35:12 ↗ any questions from the board and then we

35:15 ↗ can move to public comment after that

35:16 ↗ yeah I have some responses to the

35:19 ↗ earlier question

35:21 ↗ um you know on the critical area study

35:23 ↗ so what's in the graph it hasn't changed

35:26 ↗ from our existing code is um

35:29 ↗ the director can waive the requirement

35:32 ↗ um for products related to existing

35:34 ↗ what's actually uh I am an

35:37 ↗ 18802 uh

35:39 ↗ [Music]

35:43 ↗ 400

35:47 ↗ and

35:49 ↗ it's f thank you sorry yeah no worries

35:52 ↗ so basically for single family homes if

35:55 ↗ there's no operation to the critical

35:57 ↗ area or it's buffer uh and it's not

35:59 ↗ going to affect the curriculary and

36:01 ↗ amount of controversy to the to these

36:03 ↗ goals the minimum standards required by

36:06 ↗ this chapter are met and then

36:09 ↗ um or you know you do a study

36:12 ↗ um so this could imply if you have a

36:15 ↗ house that's in the buffer but you want

36:17 ↗ to expand on the other side of the house

36:18 ↗ which is Way Beyond the required buffer

36:22 ↗ um to economy shaking their head that um

36:27 ↗ um I will you know when it comes time to

36:30 ↗ to take her comments uh she can clarify

36:33 ↗ but that's that's how I read it that's

36:36 ↗ the number f is there is additional

36:39 ↗ there is currently in the code some

36:42 ↗ discretion for the director for

36:43 ↗ single-family homeowners

36:46 ↗ when a particular area of statements

36:47 ↗ required but obviously you know if

36:50 ↗ you're within the buffer you're

36:51 ↗ impacting the buffer then we would

36:53 ↗ potentially want to know where the edge

36:56 ↗ is a lot of times what happens

36:58 ↗ practically is people don't know until

37:01 ↗ they have a weapon biologist come and

37:03 ↗ take those soil samples and everything

37:04 ↗ else to know exactly you know where the

37:07 ↗ edges so do a do a human eye it may just

37:12 ↗ look like oh it's not a wetland but it

37:14 ↗ has to have all three characteristics

37:16 ↗ and it could be until that's where the

37:19 ↗ fine line between when when the

37:21 ↗ regulations become too onerous uh when

37:24 ↗ they're ready to protect

37:25 ↗ the environment

37:28 ↗ can we just ask a follow-up one question

37:29 ↗ to what you just said so you said it

37:32 ↗ it's referred to the director do you

37:33 ↗ anticipate all I mean there's several

37:35 ↗ sections here that say you know it's at

37:37 ↗ the discretion of the director do you

37:39 ↗ anticipate each of those items actually

37:41 ↗ coming to you or will you

37:44 ↗ delegate that

37:49 ↗ it depends what we've tried to do with

37:52 ↗ this code update is is we've added

37:54 ↗ criteria for the director to the group

37:56 ↗ so whoever is in the director's shoes

37:57 ↗ can

37:59 ↗ evaluate that proposal in terms of the

38:01 ↗ same conclusion based on those five

38:03 ↗ criteria not it because there's some

38:05 ↗ consistency and expectation that it is

38:08 ↗ you know and Direction uh involved but

38:10 ↗ yes I think we can we delegate it to

38:13 ↗ staff in the Navy recommendation but

38:15 ↗ ultimately the the decision has to be

38:17 ↗ signed by

38:18 ↗ okay just wanted to learn about it thank

38:20 ↗ you

38:24 ↗ any other questions

38:31 ↗ well then maybe we can hop reopen public

38:33 ↗ comment

38:34 ↗ um

38:36 ↗ um yeah

38:39 ↗ Connie that may want to provide a public

38:42 ↗ comment

38:43 ↗ yes please do I need to get closer to

38:46 ↗ the case to the camera or am I okay over

38:48 ↗ here yeah you might want to come up I'm

38:50 ↗ not sure how well it will pick up the

38:51 ↗ behind

38:52 ↗ either the you can sit at the table or

38:56 ↗ we have the podium up too

38:59 ↗ what would you prefer

39:02 ↗ I would just like weave

39:06 ↗ a chair I spent like four hours with my

39:10 ↗ mom looking for the right coffee filter

39:12 ↗ so this is just fitting in my day sorry

39:15 ↗ about that I was not getting in and I so

39:18 ↗ I had to dive into the car

39:21 ↗ right here my name is Connie Marsh and

39:24 ↗ you have gotten

39:25 ↗ uh hope the helpful emails earn me on

39:30 ↗ Title 18 because you got 700 pages of

39:34 ↗ stuff to look at and supposedly make

39:37 ↗ reasonable comment uh the reason I was

39:40 ↗ shaking my head

39:41 ↗ at Minnie's comments is is because our

39:46 ↗ our test sample of legal non-conforming

39:49 ↗ use house which was the conversation

39:53 ↗ uh adding out over the impervious

39:56 ↗ surface is still in the buffer

39:59 ↗ and so in the language that they added

40:04 ↗ you would still have to do the critical

40:06 ↗ area studies because there's nothing

40:09 ↗ waived for

40:12 ↗ anything that's in the buffer because

40:14 ↗ anything you would add that's in the

40:16 ↗ buffer they would take is an impact even

40:18 ↗ if if it's over existing impervious and

40:21 ↗ so that is that is will still require

40:24 ↗ critical area studies given the exact

40:28 ↗ language that is in the code

40:30 ↗ now

40:32 ↗ my biggest issue so far is

40:36 ↗ the intent seems to be to protect the

40:41 ↗ critical areas

40:42 ↗ better

40:44 ↗ the language and the details of the

40:47 ↗ language

40:49 ↗ are

40:52 ↗ not easily read conflicting

40:57 ↗ um

40:59 ↗ not seemingly well organized and to my

41:03 ↗ particular brain unlikely to be able to

41:06 ↗ use easily and effectively as a tool to

41:09 ↗ protect the environment so

41:12 ↗ my I don't I can make comments I don't

41:15 ↗ have to just ask questions so if you

41:16 ↗ guys

41:17 ↗ so my suggestion would be a technical

41:21 ↗ edit I know everybody is trying in the

41:24 ↗ city to do that but they also have other

41:27 ↗ jobs

41:28 ↗ but

41:29 ↗ um

41:31 ↗ making a code that actually can work and

41:35 ↗ not make everyone crazy I think is very

41:38 ↗ hard and not a part-time job so I

41:43 ↗ I would like to see that happen

41:47 ↗ especially on the um the way that the

41:52 ↗ Fisher Wildlife Conservation habitat

41:54 ↗ area interfaces with streams and

41:59 ↗ wetlands it just does not work nobody

42:02 ↗ would be able to read that and

42:04 ↗ understand what they had to do and I

42:06 ↗ don't think staff as a whole would

42:08 ↗ understand that

42:10 ↗ either the other thing is you have an

42:14 ↗ odd number of

42:16 ↗ I'm not going to call them deviations

42:18 ↗ you have deviations in the code and then

42:20 ↗ you have exemptions and then you're

42:22 ↗ going to have exceptions and then

42:25 ↗ throughout this code language you find

42:28 ↗ things like well you should be able to

42:31 ↗ do compensatory mitigation in a stream

42:33 ↗ now why would you want to take flood

42:37 ↗ water and dig a hole in the Stream and

42:40 ↗ put your flood water in there

42:43 ↗ um it says you can take down a 12 inch

42:46 ↗ Tree in order to uh be able to do lid in

42:52 ↗ a stream buffer or a wetland buffer it

42:55 ↗ doesn't refer to your critical area

42:58 ↗ studies it does not refer to the tree

43:01 ↗ code in any exact same way so you have

43:05 ↗ these little built-in conflicts that

43:08 ↗ makes it so that that person is going to

43:10 ↗ be able to take down that 12-inch tree

43:12 ↗ because they don't have any other place

43:13 ↗ to put

43:14 ↗ so I thought it was Illuminating

43:17 ↗ listening to Daniel saying in these

43:21 ↗ higher impervious surface areas it is

43:24 ↗ likely that we will say that it is they

43:27 ↗ cannot they do not have a place to plant

43:30 ↗ those trees

43:32 ↗ so why if your code says you have to

43:35 ↗ plant the trees should the impervious

43:38 ↗ surface allowance make it so that you

43:40 ↗ don't have to who wins who decides that

43:44 ↗ how do you decide that and I don't think

43:47 ↗ that the criteria provided are giving

43:50 ↗ giving enough definition so that you can

43:54 ↗ make those decisions appropriately and

43:58 ↗ consistently and consistently

44:01 ↗ is imperative

44:03 ↗ uh so uh this is more of a rant because

44:07 ↗ you guys have gotten enough from me but

44:10 ↗ this is my perception of your chapters

44:14 ↗ uh

44:16 ↗ and if I don't know how else to be

44:19 ↗ helpful

44:20 ↗ to you in reading code because I think

44:23 ↗ it's particularly

44:25 ↗ hard reading

44:28 ↗ um but if you follow the flow of the

44:31 ↗ technical studies and see if they're

44:33 ↗ going to get you what you want and you

44:35 ↗ try to follow them through and make your

44:37 ↗ own little project up in your brain and

44:39 ↗ see if you yourself can get an answer I

44:42 ↗ think that's going to tickle a lot of

44:44 ↗ questions for you if you have the time

44:46 ↗ you have the energy can you stand it

44:48 ↗ will it drive you to drink probably but

44:52 ↗ I would ask you to try to put your

44:55 ↗ energy into it because unless we get

44:57 ↗ good code we will not be able to protect

45:00 ↗ our environment because this is the rule

45:02 ↗ this is the only tool that we have to

45:05 ↗ make developers protect

45:07 ↗ our land and our environment so if you

45:10 ↗ can stand you please please please do I

45:13 ↗ beg ooh a date okay

45:22 ↗ thank you Connie

45:24 ↗ um I think with that

45:26 ↗ I don't believe we didn't have any other

45:28 ↗ any other public comments I may quickly

45:30 ↗ reopen

45:32 ↗ um for any clarifying questions on Title

45:34 ↗ 18 to see if anything came to mind for

45:37 ↗ anyone I can give one more citation of

45:40 ↗ the code for

45:42 ↗ um 18.214.070

45:46 ↗ as um you know

45:49 ↗ um number c

45:52 ↗ 4B is talking about when you have a

45:56 ↗ non-conforming development in a stream

45:59 ↗ buffer or a weapon buffer

46:01 ↗ so

46:02 ↗ there uh if you already have a

46:05 ↗ non-conforming uh you can do an

46:07 ↗ extension outside of the required weapon

46:09 ↗ of string buffers you can add vertical

46:11 ↗ stories building expansions over

46:14 ↗ existing impervious surface is allowed

46:17 ↗ as long as you don't encroach closer to

46:19 ↗ the Wetland the Stream but for

46:22 ↗ enhancement equal to the building

46:24 ↗ expansion is required for building

46:26 ↗ expansion over 500 so you know 10 by 10

46:30 ↗ no problem but if you're going over 500

46:34 ↗ then you have to do buffer enhancement

46:35 ↗ so it gets into some of those nuances

46:37 ↗ for non-confodian structures in certain

46:41 ↗ areas

46:44 ↗ that's good sorry I don't I didn't come

46:47 ↗ up with all my questions at once but

46:49 ↗ okay I'm struggling with other things

46:52 ↗ okay

46:53 ↗ so earlier or sometime last year we

46:56 ↗ reviewed the shoreline master plan

46:58 ↗ and now we're reviewing the critical

47:00 ↗ areas and the two of them clearly

47:03 ↗ overlap

47:05 ↗ so and if there's a conflict between

47:08 ↗ them because I haven't really reviewed

47:10 ↗ them I don't know if you've done that to

47:12 ↗ make sure that they don't conflict which

47:14 ↗ one wins

47:16 ↗ um so the shoreline master program

47:19 ↗ update include stock lighting you know

47:22 ↗ updates and things like that but the

47:24 ↗ critical theory is is going to be a new

47:25 ↗ appendix that the new stuff that you

47:28 ↗ that Council will approve for a critical

47:31 ↗ areas will be the appendix that'll be

47:33 ↗ part of the s p so the string buffers

47:37 ↗ that you know a fish bearing scheme that

47:39 ↗ the 150 feet that will be the same ones

47:42 ↗ that will apply to the Shoreline so so

47:45 ↗ there is no there potentially should not

47:47 ↗ be any conflict uh but there's General

47:49 ↗ language in Thailand under the very you

47:54 ↗ know if there is a conflict the more

47:56 ↗ stringent rules will apply

47:58 ↗ okay I just want to repeat what I think

48:00 ↗ I've heard you say so

48:02 ↗ there's a chapter called critical areas

48:04 ↗ in Title 18 which I

48:06 ↗ loved reading

48:09 ↗ and that will be included as an appendix

48:13 ↗ in the shorelines master plan correct

48:15 ↗ after these are adopted is that what I

48:16 ↗ just heard so if you go to the show SMP

48:19 ↗ you know link on the web page you'll

48:21 ↗ kind of see it's in appendix and it's

48:23 ↗ attached and there are a few things that

48:26 ↗ department of ecology does not adopt

48:28 ↗ which are exemptions so the exemptions

48:30 ↗ under the critical area do not apply as

48:33 ↗ exemptions for showing purposes the

48:38 ↗ other one is a reasonable use exception

48:40 ↗ the critical areas code has a reasonable

48:42 ↗ use exception but Shoreline is a

48:44 ↗ shoreline variance which is the final

48:47 ↗ decision is made by the shoreline

48:48 ↗ hearings so those are the two things

48:51 ↗ that ecology makes us take out

48:54 ↗ foreign that helps me thank you I just

48:57 ↗ wanted to I'm having a hard time putting

48:59 ↗ them all together yeah

49:05 ↗ I had a question related to development

49:07 ↗ agreements

49:09 ↗ um

49:10 ↗ I am not super familiar with exactly how

49:12 ↗ that process looks uh

49:14 ↗ what aspects

49:17 ↗ of Title 18 like where is there we were

49:20 ↗ like where I should ask this question

49:22 ↗ how would any of the code that would

49:25 ↗ make it into Title 18 how could that be

49:27 ↗ adjusted as part of a development

49:28 ↗ agreement at a specific section of the

49:30 ↗ ways that could be done or just want to

49:31 ↗ understand how that process might happen

49:33 ↗ of current doing it that negotiation

49:37 ↗ yeah a good question

49:39 ↗ um so right at our existing code talks

49:43 ↗ about development agreements that talks

49:44 ↗ about for the trend TBR it will do this

49:46 ↗ for this type of thing it'll be about

49:49 ↗ the judicial development agreement and

49:51 ↗ then for urban Villages development

49:54 ↗ agreement as references to that as an

49:57 ↗ educated process so the City attorney

49:59 ↗ has prepared um a chapter here that uh

50:02 ↗ to clean all of that up and and really

50:05 ↗ create a great you know say what is the

50:07 ↗ process who makes the decision and

50:09 ↗ developmental agreements or legislative

50:10 ↗ decision made by Council

50:13 ↗ um and here's uh some of the things what

50:16 ↗ you you know some criteria so there is a

50:19 ↗ chapter in the proposed draft that that

50:22 ↗ attempts to

50:24 ↗ provide some clarity on on when and how

50:27 ↗ and and who makes the decision and how

50:30 ↗ the process doesn't stated position okay

50:32 ↗ and then is the Assumption because it's

50:34 ↗ processed as a as a legislative decision

50:37 ↗ there's less need to legislate exactly

50:40 ↗ what's going to happen because it's

50:42 ↗ ultimately going to need to pass I'm

50:43 ↗ just trying to understand because yeah

50:45 ↗ correct me if I'm wrong but potentially

50:47 ↗ anything within this could be updated or

50:49 ↗ kind of amended as part of a development

50:51 ↗ agreement for that specific project but

50:52 ↗ councils can't just enter into

50:54 ↗ development

50:56 ↗ you still have to do it in a public

50:59 ↗ um you have to go to public hearings

51:03 ↗ okay yeah that's helpful thank you

51:10 ↗ all right any other questions

51:14 ↗ well and I appreciate your time because

51:17 ↗ um it just lesbian

51:19 ↗ um

51:20 ↗ I'm a little confused about some of the

51:23 ↗ statements in here about utilities and

51:27 ↗ their ability to remove trees and do

51:29 ↗ other things in critical areas

51:32 ↗ and

51:33 ↗ um from what I see

51:36 ↗ they pretty much can do just about what

51:39 ↗ they want just about

51:42 ↗ and it seems to me that that doesn't

51:45 ↗ meet

51:46 ↗ kind of what we're trying to do with

51:48 ↗ these regulations

51:49 ↗ so I'd say that that is one area that

51:52 ↗ I'm particularly concerned about and

51:55 ↗ think would request you can hear where

51:58 ↗ one of my comments is coming I mean is

52:00 ↗ there a law out there that allows PNC to

52:04 ↗ come in to take down trees because it

52:07 ↗ might be a power issue or a utility such

52:10 ↗ as the sewer utility to come in and do

52:13 ↗ things because they need to remove a

52:15 ↗ septic tank just asking general

52:17 ↗ questions

52:19 ↗ um to see if there's some way that there

52:21 ↗ can be some checks on this to make sure

52:23 ↗ they're not coming in and clear cutting

52:24 ↗ along power lines

52:26 ↗ sure um you know we have attempted to

52:29 ↗ clean up a lot of this stuff uh General

52:32 ↗ blanket

52:33 ↗ um exemptions and things like that

52:36 ↗ um and subject them to the mitigation

52:38 ↗ sequencing and medication for you know

52:41 ↗ it's your last resort is there other

52:44 ↗ ways you can do this and so they still

52:46 ↗ have to go through a few of those things

52:48 ↗ um and if you cut down trees you're

52:50 ↗ still such a replacement uh ratios and

52:53 ↗ all of that kind of stuff so that should

52:55 ↗ be a deterrent for them to just

52:56 ↗ automatically assume

52:58 ↗ um but Public Safety or sometimes will

53:02 ↗ kind of you know comes into play and

53:04 ↗ there's a snowstorm and finger falling

53:07 ↗ apart and creating a hazard then when

53:11 ↗ they told me to come up

53:13 ↗ stay forever right either so there is a

53:16 ↗ life cycle that they go through and so

53:18 ↗ the idea is the icap you know canopy

53:21 ↗ Aboriginal the the great work has been

53:24 ↗ done of establishing those goals that

53:26 ↗ the proactively replanting and keeping

53:29 ↗ up with

53:30 ↗ over the Long Island but if you have

53:32 ↗ specifics about which exemption you're

53:34 ↗ talking about we're happy to get into

53:36 ↗ those

53:37 ↗ so I guess the question I have is a

53:39 ↗ single family homeowner or a business

53:40 ↗ has to go through a permit process why

53:43 ↗ are we not making utility students they

53:45 ↗ have to

53:46 ↗ they have to there's only very limited

53:48 ↗ if if there's already a sewer line can

53:51 ↗ they go and maintain it if it's plugged

53:53 ↗ up you know that kind of thing so yes

53:54 ↗ there's some exemptions for maintenance

53:56 ↗ of existence but if you're putting up a

53:59 ↗ brand new you know water line whatever

54:02 ↗ you still have to go through the

54:04 ↗ operating process if you've been applied

54:06 ↗ if it's over 12 inches you have to meet

54:09 ↗ the critical areas code and all that so

54:11 ↗ I'm not sure which I was thinking more

54:13 ↗ trees specifically you know you can see

54:15 ↗ psc's Crews come in and do a pretty good

54:19 ↗ job of cleaning canopies

54:21 ↗ and I I don't know if there's a permit

54:24 ↗ if they come in with it and there's what

54:26 ↗ I'm not seeing in the code is anything

54:29 ↗ that gives the city some ability to

54:33 ↗ manage that or to at least say come on

54:35 ↗ guys can you do this a different way

54:37 ↗ sure um Dan I don't know if you have

54:40 ↗ anything specific in terms of how the

54:42 ↗ tree code attempts to

54:45 ↗ you know

54:47 ↗ avoid any kind of abuse of power by our

54:50 ↗ companies to take down

54:53 ↗ trees

54:55 ↗ yeah so

54:57 ↗ um

54:58 ↗ you know you mentioned

55:00 ↗ um canopy cleaning

55:04 ↗ um anything that's considered excessive

55:07 ↗ pruning uh does require permit from the

55:11 ↗ city if you're doing performing pruning

55:14 ↗ for maintenance purposes you do not need

55:17 ↗ a house a

55:20 ↗ utility PSE in your example if they want

55:25 ↗ to remove trees

55:28 ↗ um they do have to get a permit

55:30 ↗ so long as those are significant trees

55:32 ↗ meaning that there's six inches

55:36 ↗ um

55:37 ↗ dbh or greater then they do need to get

55:40 ↗ a permit and they do need to meet

55:42 ↗ the approval criteria and if they do

55:46 ↗ remove they get a permit then they still

55:48 ↗ have to replant

55:53 ↗ thank you

55:55 ↗ and they actually do they have that

55:58 ↗ condition right now

56:00 ↗ or is that new in the code

56:04 ↗ um

56:06 ↗ if it's on a lot

56:08 ↗ I I would say that it's it's

56:10 ↗ current in the code uh now whether

56:14 ↗ they've actually submitted you know if

56:17 ↗ we're talking about PSE

56:19 ↗ um I I

56:20 ↗ call it instance in which I received uh

56:25 ↗ an actual tree permit from PSE

56:30 ↗ um

56:31 ↗ but I I think that's a matter of having

56:34 ↗ a conversation

56:37 ↗ answers to PSC or say myself if I take a

56:41 ↗ tree down without a permit

56:44 ↗ I I believe that kant's well

56:47 ↗ consequences I feel like is kind of

56:49 ↗ strong but

56:51 ↗ um it is accurate

56:53 ↗ um I I think that they should be applied

56:55 ↗ evenly

56:56 ↗ yeah I think a couple ways to handle uh

57:00 ↗ utility companies and they have their

57:01 ↗ own vegetation manual it's the you know

57:04 ↗ how to what how often they go in and how

57:06 ↗ often what's the vertical distance and

57:08 ↗ then there's the east coast map out they

57:11 ↗ kind of the bench on the strings in One

57:13 ↗ Direction it's like this this could be a

57:15 ↗ huge issue we need to get ahead of it

57:17 ↗ and so sometimes they really try to be

57:21 ↗ more aggressive with uh their pruning or

57:24 ↗ maintenance schedules and so on and so

57:26 ↗ forth but but it's you know because he's

57:28 ↗ a partner in the city for a lot of other

57:30 ↗ things so perhaps talking to them about

57:33 ↗ you know electric vehicle charging

57:36 ↗ stations and planning for that and and

57:38 ↗ the green vegetation management so that

57:39 ↗ happens more at a permit that permit

57:42 ↗ state but more at a collaboration and

57:44 ↗ and looking at where are some problem

57:47 ↗ points for BSE and how can they

57:50 ↗ regardless of maintaining uh some of the

57:53 ↗ city's goals and aspirations for whether

57:55 ↗ it's electric vehicle charging stations

57:58 ↗ or can be done withdrawals

58:00 ↗ we can certainly you know reach out and

58:04 ↗ try and learn their perspective and see

58:06 ↗ what they think about those and

58:10 ↗ um

58:14 ↗ I have a related question

58:17 ↗ um It's actually kind of the opposite

58:18 ↗ question uh in some ways who is actually

58:22 ↗ technically responsible for maintaining

58:24 ↗ like the trees on on your property it's

58:28 ↗ going into a an electrical line who is

58:31 ↗ who is responsible for that is the

58:33 ↗ utility of the homeowner

58:36 ↗ the trays on your property the

58:38 ↗ homeowners are responsible will be my

58:40 ↗ initial reaction to it if there's an

58:43 ↗ easement

58:44 ↗ you know a lot of times it's not really

58:47 ↗ there is it where the public

58:49 ↗ right-of-way starts and where usually

58:52 ↗ your overhead power lines should not you

58:54 ↗ know unless they have an easement on the

58:56 ↗ private property and usually put them

58:57 ↗ the right way so that's always a good

58:59 ↗ you know when you see those powerfuls

59:02 ↗ they usually believe they're having

59:03 ↗ these men on the private property owner

59:05 ↗ or being public right in a way okay so

59:08 ↗ it's in the public right away who's

59:10 ↗ responsible like who would cover the

59:12 ↗ cost of print a tree and it's it's on

59:15 ↗ the trees on my property the tree

59:17 ↗ sprouts up and over onto right away into

59:20 ↗ the power lines who's responsible in

59:23 ↗ that situation

59:25 ↗ I mean it depends on the easement so if

59:28 ↗ there's an overhead power line on the

59:30 ↗ private property they have to have the

59:32 ↗ rights to have that Powerline usually

59:34 ↗ the easement will spell out

59:36 ↗ that BSC can come in and do vegetation

59:39 ↗ maintenance and they will you know

59:40 ↗ they'll get into the specifics

59:44 ↗ um but who's responsible for replacement

59:46 ↗ but you know the reality the Practical

59:48 ↗ aspects is if there is a danger for

59:51 ↗ utility company and especially with this

59:53 ↗ power outage in the snow they will come

59:56 ↗ and clear that out

1:00:00 ↗ okay okay yeah I'm just asking because

1:00:02 ↗ I'm just curious as we I mean I'm just

1:00:05 ↗ thinking about some of the lots that

1:00:06 ↗ were suggesting quite a few trees go on

1:00:09 ↗ that there's only limited places that

1:00:10 ↗ those are going to go that'll

1:00:11 ↗ realistically end up in the public right

1:00:13 ↗ away yeah and we also not at Title 18

1:00:16 ↗ but other places are talking about

1:00:18 ↗ electrifying major aspects of people's

1:00:20 ↗ homes Etc so I just think there's some

1:00:23 ↗ tension there that uh I want to make

1:00:25 ↗ sure that I understand so okay thank you

1:00:27 ↗ thank you

1:00:32 ↗ um all right oh rishita

1:00:35 ↗ um I was just wondering you mentioned

1:00:36 ↗ that like for maintenance efforts and

1:00:38 ↗ others like sometimes they meet utility

1:00:40 ↗ companies may need like a permit for

1:00:42 ↗ work and sometimes they wouldn't who

1:00:43 ↗ would be responsible for uh I guess

1:00:46 ↗ enforcing that checking whether or not

1:00:48 ↗ they got a permit when they needed it

1:00:50 ↗ versus not

1:00:53 ↗ um

1:00:54 ↗ that would be the city is The Entity

1:00:56 ↗ that issues with permits so if we get a

1:00:58 ↗ complaint from someone saying you know

1:01:01 ↗ here the trees have been removed we will

1:01:03 ↗ send for enforcement officer to evaluate

1:01:05 ↗ which of the team who's whose properties

1:01:08 ↗ and all who's doing the tree carrying

1:01:10 ↗ and then we'll follow up as an

1:01:11 ↗ enforcement action against him

1:01:17 ↗ all right

1:01:20 ↗ last call for any questions

1:01:26 ↗ all right I'm not seeing any so thank

1:01:28 ↗ you many thank you everyone else from

1:01:31 ↗ the city that joined for this

1:01:34 ↗ um

1:01:35 ↗ and I think with that we'll move on to

1:01:37 ↗ our next agenda item

1:01:40 ↗ so with that is going to be sewer and

1:01:43 ↗ Wastewater master plan

1:01:45 ↗ um and I don't think you have an intro

1:01:46 ↗ on this one Stacy no do you want me just

1:01:49 ↗ to do a reminder in that steps for

1:01:51 ↗ totally oh yeah

1:01:54 ↗ yeah so

1:01:55 ↗ um we discussed at the last meeting that

1:01:59 ↗ um we've shifted our meeting schedule

1:02:00 ↗ around a little bit to accommodate

1:02:02 ↗ Council review so our next meeting will

1:02:05 ↗ be February 1st that's a week earlier

1:02:09 ↗ um I'm asking if folks can complete

1:02:11 ↗ their review of channel 18 and send in

1:02:14 ↗ comments to me by January 24th end of

1:02:19 ↗ day that will give me a day or two turn

1:02:21 ↗ around to compile those comments into a

1:02:23 ↗ letter get it back out to you all and

1:02:25 ↗ then our February 1st meeting will be

1:02:27 ↗ mostly focused on reviewing revising

1:02:30 ↗ that letter in real time so we can turn

1:02:32 ↗ right around

1:02:34 ↗ so when you submit those comments for me

1:02:37 ↗ to incorporate the letter the more that

1:02:39 ↗ you can write them as they should appear

1:02:41 ↗ in the letter the easy will be for me to

1:02:43 ↗ turn that letter around quickly I'm also

1:02:46 ↗ not an email to you all

1:02:47 ↗ um tonight or tomorrow just with a

1:02:49 ↗ reminder of that schedule

1:02:52 ↗ thanks

1:02:54 ↗ one other thing I'll mention is

1:02:56 ↗ everyone keeps mentioning 700 Pages for

1:02:58 ↗ Thailand team but if you actually look

1:03:00 ↗ at the agenda there's of the topics we

1:03:02 ↗ covered there's not that many pages so

1:03:04 ↗ don't be scared by 700 Pages or too much

1:03:08 ↗ obviously if you want to read the whole

1:03:10 ↗ thing go please go ahead but there are

1:03:12 ↗ it can be cut down more than that so um

1:03:15 ↗ and you know I'd say we're available if

1:03:18 ↗ you are struggling with any section just

1:03:21 ↗ reach out to me and sit down with you

1:03:23 ↗ and you know we can meet with you all

1:03:24 ↗ together without meeting notification

1:03:26 ↗ but a couple at a time or one at a time

1:03:29 ↗ if you can really sometimes it's helpful

1:03:31 ↗ to talk through and walk through some of

1:03:33 ↗ those sections so I don't hesitate to

1:03:36 ↗ reach out and let's face you know or

1:03:38 ↗ email and we'll let that happen

1:03:42 ↗ all right thank you very much

1:03:44 ↗ all right now we will move to the the

1:03:47 ↗ sewer and waste butter master plan

1:03:50 ↗ I think Matt will you be taking us away

1:03:55 ↗ yes

1:03:57 ↗ I've made you presenter you should be

1:03:59 ↗ able to share your screen all right

1:04:03 ↗ good evening everyone I'm Matt Ellis the

1:04:05 ↗ utility engineering manager for City

1:04:07 ↗ Episcopal and public works and I also

1:04:10 ↗ have on the line uh Shannon Samara and

1:04:14 ↗ Andrea Boyd with meat and hunt and Dave

1:04:18 ↗ harms with BHT and they're supporting me

1:04:20 ↗ on uh December so we figure out a share

1:04:24 ↗ a screen which might be

1:04:27 ↗ foreign

1:04:28 ↗ [Music]

1:04:58 ↗ [Music]

1:05:00 ↗ wait hold on one second

1:05:02 ↗ yeah if you have trouble I can bring it

1:05:04 ↗ up well I I didn't press the full button

1:05:06 ↗ that was the problem I apologize

1:05:09 ↗ okay sorry about that so uh tonight

1:05:13 ↗ we're talking about uh a subset of the

1:05:17 ↗ Sewer Master Plan that we're developing

1:05:18 ↗ and that is on-site septic system

1:05:20 ↗ management

1:05:22 ↗ uh this is a subject that we've been

1:05:25 ↗ working on for a while now um and we are

1:05:28 ↗ ready to present to you guys as the

1:05:30 ↗ first step in uh uh updating some policy

1:05:35 ↗ so the purpose is to update this quad

1:05:37 ↗ Mutual code for on-site septic system

1:05:39 ↗ management and extends sewers in the

1:05:41 ↗ critical areas where needed

1:05:45 ↗ so uh here is a picture of the city with

1:05:49 ↗ all our septic systems mapped out uh

1:05:52 ↗ historically uh we have looked at uh

1:05:55 ↗ private on-site septic systems equally

1:05:57 ↗ within the city no matter geographically

1:05:59 ↗ speaking every property continue to

1:06:01 ↗ drain field was created people however

1:06:04 ↗ is a city that contains unique

1:06:05 ↗ topography we have mountainsides and

1:06:08 ↗ Valley floors we are at the epicenter

1:06:10 ↗ for critical seven bearing streams in

1:06:11 ↗ our region we have areas with great

1:06:13 ↗ percolation in areas that either

1:06:15 ↗ aquifers where we get our drinking water

1:06:16 ↗ the city is served by two sewer

1:06:20 ↗ purveyors the surrounds Plateau water

1:06:21 ↗ and sewer water district provides sewer

1:06:24 ↗ to the northeast corner of the city and

1:06:26 ↗ those are the the yellow uh Parcels that

1:06:29 ↗ you see there are in subject

1:06:31 ↗ and just to highlight that and then the

1:06:33 ↗ city provides uh sewer and manages the

1:06:36 ↗ rest of the area

1:06:39 ↗ uh taking these elements into account uh

1:06:42 ↗ we realize that suffix systems are not

1:06:44 ↗ created equally the department of

1:06:46 ↗ ecology has set a total maximum daily

1:06:48 ↗ load for fecal coliforms in Israel Creek

1:06:50 ↗ of 100 colonies for 100 milliliters uh

1:06:53 ↗ since poorly maintained septic systems

1:06:55 ↗ and aging grain fields located in close

1:06:57 ↗ proximity to the creek our contributor

1:06:59 ↗ of fecal coliforms we have a

1:07:01 ↗ responsibility to be more proactive in

1:07:03 ↗ managing septic systems within the city

1:07:06 ↗ for this reason we are looking at

1:07:07 ↗ separate system management from a

1:07:09 ↗ geographic standpoint and looking at

1:07:10 ↗ ways to make a consistent and proactive

1:07:13 ↗ inspection requirements to Broad

1:07:14 ↗ properties who own septic systems

1:07:17 ↗ so we did a lot of data review as we

1:07:20 ↗ started this process we looked at the

1:07:22 ↗ Washington administrative code and the

1:07:25 ↗ rcws I looked at King County Board of

1:07:27 ↗ Health which administers uh

1:07:30 ↗ septic system management in our region

1:07:33 ↗ those are our Issaquah Municipal Code as

1:07:36 ↗ well Public Works uh operating standard

1:07:39 ↗ operating procedures we took a look at

1:07:41 ↗ our uh on-site septic inventory within

1:07:44 ↗ the city that was the map that you just

1:07:46 ↗ recently saw and our water quality

1:07:49 ↗ monitoring results for streams within

1:07:51 ↗ the area and we looked at city code for

1:07:53 ↗ neighboring communities to see where we

1:07:56 ↗ lied in comparison to our years yeah

1:08:00 ↗ so like I said King County uh Board of

1:08:02 ↗ Health uh code governs inspection

1:08:05 ↗ frequencies for on-site subject systems

1:08:07 ↗ and requirements to connect to sewer

1:08:10 ↗ currently the Board of Health uh uh

1:08:13 ↗ title 13 uh states that uh you need to

1:08:17 ↗ connect to sewer uh if your system is

1:08:19 ↗ within 200 feet of available public

1:08:21 ↗ sewer and it also stipulates the

1:08:23 ↗ inspection frequency and requirements

1:08:27 ↗ our Public Works engineering department

1:08:28 ↗ supplements King County Board of Health

1:08:30 ↗ inspections uh

1:08:33 ↗ uh with our requirements with our own

1:08:36 ↗ on-site subject inspection program The

1:08:38 ↗ Board of Health does not have funding to

1:08:40 ↗ oversee inspection an inspection program

1:08:43 ↗ s on each municipality to do that uh the

1:08:47 ↗ applicable Municipal Code of in 1332-30

1:08:50 ↗ uh has for connection requirements

1:08:53 ↗ distance requirements protection to

1:08:55 ↗ sewer and 1380 040 contains connection

1:08:58 ↗ waivers property owner elects not to

1:09:00 ↗ connect a sewer uh this waiver can be

1:09:02 ↗ renewed every three years and this is

1:09:07 ↗ so Public Works uh on-site subjects

1:09:12 ↗ site on-site septic site evaluation of

1:09:15 ↗ surveys and maintains records of

1:09:17 ↗ unseared properties it is about we

1:09:20 ↗ administered notices and set schedules

1:09:21 ↗ uh in the passing inspection is required

1:09:24 ↗ to to obtain a three-year waiver from

1:09:27 ↗ connecting to sewer inspections are uh

1:09:30 ↗ however inspections petered out uh and

1:09:34 ↗ was put on hold in 2019 and there's a

1:09:36 ↗ need to overhaul and revamp this program

1:09:40 ↗ so why update uh it's a priority of

1:09:43 ↗ cancel we've discussed this in the

1:09:45 ↗ floodplain update as a priority King

1:09:47 ↗ County Board of Health outlines the

1:09:48 ↗ inspection frequencies but does not have

1:09:50 ↗ the funding to oversee inspections

1:09:52 ↗ program there's concerns with the

1:09:54 ↗ current code the on-site septic

1:09:56 ↗ inspections are only by visual failure

1:09:58 ↗ failure or triggered with sale of

1:10:00 ↗ property and as a bank lending out as a

1:10:02 ↗ bank lending requirement however in the

1:10:04 ↗ housing market many homes are purchased

1:10:06 ↗ with cash bypassing what has

1:10:07 ↗ historically been one of the more

1:10:09 ↗ reliable mechanisms to ensure an

1:10:11 ↗ inspection experience creates a lack of

1:10:14 ↗ checks and balances to verify

1:10:15 ↗ inspections occur and to connect correct

1:10:17 ↗ problems there's a total and like I said

1:10:20 ↗ there's a total maximum daily load of

1:10:22 ↗ fecal coliforms into score Creek set by

1:10:24 ↗ the department of ecology

1:10:28 ↗ so our goal is to protect human health

1:10:30 ↗ by protecting the public from waterborne

1:10:32 ↗ illnesses to ensure water bodies are fit

1:10:34 ↗ for beneficial and recreational uses and

1:10:36 ↗ protect the environment to ensure water

1:10:39 ↗ quality protect your Aquatic Life ensure

1:10:41 ↗ water meets regulated standards and we

1:10:44 ↗ have a responsibility in the region to

1:10:46 ↗ maintain water quality and their

1:10:47 ↗ decisions could impact areas and

1:10:48 ↗ downstream from us in Lake Sammamish

1:10:51 ↗ Issaquah is just a piece of the puzzle

1:10:53 ↗ we need to be responsible water stewards

1:10:55 ↗ for future Generations

1:10:57 ↗ so how do we get there we update the

1:10:59 ↗ municipal code related to septic

1:11:00 ↗ inspections and connection requirements

1:11:02 ↗ establish a more robust on-site subject

1:11:05 ↗ Management program uh expand our stream

1:11:08 ↗ monitoring program and strategically

1:11:10 ↗ extends sewers and critical areas to

1:11:12 ↗ provide the opportunity to connect when

1:11:14 ↗ the need or desire presents itself

1:11:18 ↗ so just kind of very quickly run through

1:11:21 ↗ a septic system I'm sure everyone knows

1:11:23 ↗ what they are but just to kind of

1:11:24 ↗ provide the information a house uh

1:11:28 ↗ sewer comes out of a house and goes into

1:11:30 ↗ a septic tank uh the solids settle out

1:11:32 ↗ and the liquids go down through

1:11:34 ↗ distribution box and then into the drain

1:11:37 ↗ field where it percolates into the

1:11:39 ↗ ground uh natural microbes in the soil

1:11:41 ↗ digest the bad bacteria before it can

1:11:43 ↗ enter the groundwater or enter our

1:11:45 ↗ streams or other surface waters

1:11:48 ↗ however certain times a drain field Camp

1:11:51 ↗ isn't working correctly and that can

1:11:53 ↗ happen with high ground water

1:11:56 ↗ where the water prevents the microbes

1:11:59 ↗ from doing their job

1:12:01 ↗ we also occur with an impervious layer

1:12:03 ↗ or clogged pipe forcing the effluent

1:12:06 ↗ into the surface preventing it from

1:12:08 ↗ percolating this can also occur in older

1:12:10 ↗ septic systems as a space around the

1:12:13 ↗ drain field either gets compacted or

1:12:15 ↗ clogged

1:12:16 ↗ and then finally a drain field is if a

1:12:19 ↗ drain field is located too close to a

1:12:20 ↗ critical area and during storm events or

1:12:22 ↗ times prone to ground saturation the

1:12:24 ↗ effluent mixes with our surface water

1:12:29 ↗ so as we look at this we did a gap

1:12:32 ↗ analysis we reviewed code from

1:12:34 ↗ neighboring cities we reviewed four

1:12:36 ↗ cities in the Puget Sound region one

1:12:38 ↗ neighboring County and two cities in the

1:12:40 ↗ greater Pacific Northwest we've

1:12:42 ↗ identified gaps that we've called our

1:12:44 ↗ code lacked including inspection

1:12:47 ↗ documentation for all on-site septic

1:12:49 ↗ systems in the city inspection

1:12:51 ↗ enforcement definitions of type of

1:12:53 ↗ improvements allowed uh birds that for

1:12:56 ↗ septic systems uh identification of when

1:12:59 ↗ and where sewer connections are required

1:13:01 ↗ sewer extension requirements and

1:13:03 ↗ penalties for not connecting or

1:13:05 ↗ repairing

1:13:07 ↗ so uh we did a little qualitative

1:13:10 ↗ analysis compared to our peers and we

1:13:14 ↗ noticed that we currently our current

1:13:16 ↗ code in and program we're kind of at the

1:13:19 ↗ bottom we're at that the least proactive

1:13:23 ↗ um and with the the measures that we

1:13:25 ↗ want to put in place we want to be not

1:13:27 ↗ the most

1:13:28 ↗ restrictive but kind of towards towards

1:13:30 ↗ the upper end uh proactive and that's

1:13:33 ↗ part of the question that I'll be asking

1:13:34 ↗ of you guys tonight is is are we on the

1:13:36 ↗ right track are we uh is this the the

1:13:40 ↗ correct direction that we want to take

1:13:41 ↗ we want to be more or less proactive

1:13:44 ↗ than decisions that were made

1:13:47 ↗ so uh what's existing City policies that

1:13:50 ↗ govern this uh uh our comp plan uh it

1:13:54 ↗ identifies the protection of of quality

1:13:56 ↗ and quantity of groundwater used for

1:13:58 ↗ public Supply uh that uh relate relates

1:14:01 ↗ to our Cara our critical Aquifer

1:14:04 ↗ recharge area including restricting or

1:14:07 ↗ prohibiting land uses or activities that

1:14:09 ↗ can potentially contaminate the Aquifer

1:14:11 ↗ recharge area in the event of an

1:14:13 ↗ accidental spill or dumping our sewer

1:14:15 ↗ comprehensive plan and as I mentioned

1:14:17 ↗ we're currently updating that the old

1:14:19 ↗ one is made in 2002 when uh the city had

1:14:24 ↗ a population of 10 000 people and we're

1:14:26 ↗ nearing 40. so uh it is in desperate

1:14:30 ↗ need to be updated and the new updates

1:14:32 ↗ we'll include a more comprehensive uh an

1:14:35 ↗ up-to-date sewer conveyanced model uh

1:14:38 ↗ and look at policy updates relating to

1:14:40 ↗ not only septic systems but our

1:14:42 ↗ conveyance uh our ability and capacity

1:14:45 ↗ for conveying uh

1:14:50 ↗ uh and then our Shoreline master plan uh

1:14:54 ↗ relates to new development Redevelopment

1:14:56 ↗ required to connect to sewer and

1:14:57 ↗ expanded Sewer Service to Shoreline

1:14:59 ↗ areas

1:15:00 ↗ our storm goal performance measures

1:15:02 ↗ recommends existing developments to

1:15:04 ↗ connect when on-site subject systems

1:15:06 ↗ have failed and Sewer is available

1:15:09 ↗ so our proposal is to develop a more

1:15:11 ↗ robust on-site subject Management

1:15:13 ↗ program by updating the code and create

1:15:15 ↗ a sewer extension plan

1:15:18 ↗ so the program uh is uh twofold we do

1:15:22 ↗ on-site septic uh the on-site the

1:15:26 ↗ inspection program it's just a big word

1:15:28 ↗ uh uh inventory and uh properly

1:15:31 ↗ inventory type of systems in the city uh

1:15:34 ↗ provided a more robust Management

1:15:35 ↗ program in public Outreach and then

1:15:38 ↗ stream monitoring uh increasing our

1:15:40 ↗ stream sampling throughout the city at

1:15:42 ↗ our along our major streams and then

1:15:45 ↗ areas uh with pockets of subject systems

1:15:48 ↗ if I get into that no later slide so our

1:15:51 ↗ strategy is again to identify Target

1:15:54 ↗ tiers for sewer connection formalize

1:15:56 ↗ on-site septic inspections uh perform

1:15:58 ↗ stream monitoring expansion uh update

1:16:01 ↗ the the municipal code and perform

1:16:04 ↗ education in the public Outreach

1:16:08 ↗ so uh uh increase the on-site the

1:16:11 ↗ inspection we need to formalize our

1:16:14 ↗ inspection program to maintain the

1:16:16 ↗ inventory of all on-site subject systems

1:16:18 ↗ in the city update inspection

1:16:19 ↗ requirements uh perform inspection

1:16:22 ↗ Management in uh allow code enforcement

1:16:25 ↗ measures for non-compliance we do this

1:16:28 ↗ through visions of the code so I'm going

1:16:30 ↗ to get into the code our goal for

1:16:31 ↗ timeline is for approval is one year

1:16:34 ↗ from now

1:16:36 ↗ we have a few steps to get there uh

1:16:38 ↗ inspection requirements for all systems

1:16:40 ↗ uh are to uh all citizens are uh need to

1:16:45 ↗ adhere uh requirements are important are

1:16:48 ↗ in accordance with the King County Board

1:16:49 ↗ of Health title 13. and we want to

1:16:52 ↗ expand our inspection requirements

1:16:56 ↗ uh we're gonna

1:16:59 ↗ talk about frequency definitions of

1:17:01 ↗ types of repair loud and Sewer uh if

1:17:03 ↗ sewer is available and certified on-site

1:17:05 ↗ subjects just on-site subject main

1:17:08 ↗ maintainers to require a repair existing

1:17:11 ↗ system

1:17:12 ↗ and then we expand our inspection

1:17:13 ↗ requirements and code enforcement

1:17:17 ↗ so the first code that we're looking to

1:17:19 ↗ update is 13 32 30. and uh we would

1:17:23 ↗ require a connection of sewers available

1:17:25 ↗ within 200 feet and that's in line with

1:17:27 ↗ the board of King County Board of Health

1:17:29 ↗ our current code states to connect to

1:17:31 ↗ sewer if available for our team of

1:17:32 ↗ property so the the main revision here

1:17:35 ↗ would be that if sewer is available

1:17:36 ↗ within 200 feet you would need to

1:17:39 ↗ connect

1:17:41 ↗ right at your back

1:17:44 ↗ uh and then the connection waivers uh

1:17:47 ↗ this code revision stipulates that if an

1:17:49 ↗ on-scientific system is located within

1:17:50 ↗ 200 feet of sewer they're allowed to

1:17:52 ↗ continue to use their existing system if

1:17:54 ↗ they apply for a connection waiver this

1:17:56 ↗ requires an inspection every three years

1:17:58 ↗ for Gravity system and proposing every

1:18:01 ↗ one year for a pump system in line with

1:18:03 ↗ King County Board of Health in addition

1:18:05 ↗ as part of the code revisions we wanted

1:18:06 ↗ to be to clarify what types of

1:18:08 ↗ improvements are allowed the property is

1:18:10 ↗ located adjacent to sewer our goal is

1:18:12 ↗ not to make this an onerous issue and if

1:18:14 ↗ a system is working adequately or needs

1:18:16 ↗ minor improvements we we are fine with

1:18:18 ↗ them continuing to use their system

1:18:20 ↗ which allow minor repairs in line with

1:18:22 ↗ the King County Board of Health uh and

1:18:25 ↗ that is maintaining the the septic box

1:18:28 ↗ uh repairing baffles bump alarms things

1:18:32 ↗ like that however an extension waiver

1:18:34 ↗ would not be allowed uh for a major

1:18:37 ↗ repair such as replacing the drain field

1:18:39 ↗ or the septic tank altogether

1:18:43 ↗ s would also not be allowed for

1:18:44 ↗ non-conforming systems typically a

1:18:46 ↗ drained field that is too small for the

1:18:48 ↗ house that it serves any system that

1:18:50 ↗ isn't failure meaning the subsurface

1:18:52 ↗ soil absorption system isn't working a

1:18:55 ↗ remodel that would change the amount of

1:18:56 ↗ use to the system

1:18:58 ↗ uh and again we are proposing this if

1:19:00 ↗ Stewart is available within 200 feet

1:19:04 ↗ if sewer is unavailable due to

1:19:06 ↗ topography or further than 200 feet away

1:19:08 ↗ we would still allow repair replacement

1:19:10 ↗ of a drain field waivers do not apply in

1:19:12 ↗ the situation but allow uh also allowing

1:19:15 ↗ models that require an expansion of the

1:19:17 ↗ drain field as long as the septic system

1:19:19 ↗ is working properly

1:19:24 ↗ so then we get to the violation part and

1:19:27 ↗ uh we would repairs or replacement

1:19:30 ↗ subject systems are required as soon as

1:19:32 ↗ possible that's one of the things we

1:19:33 ↗ want we also want to verify a failure

1:19:35 ↗ failure through a die test to make sure

1:19:37 ↗ a system isn't contaminating surface

1:19:39 ↗ waters a diet test would only be

1:19:41 ↗ required if the system is recorded

1:19:44 ↗ or suspect of failure and then failed

1:19:47 ↗ septic systems will be reported to the

1:19:48 ↗ King County Health Department again this

1:19:50 ↗ is what is done but now codifies the

1:19:52 ↗ process and the final Point uh is

1:19:57 ↗ penalty uh and we have not completely uh

1:20:02 ↗ evaluated this this portion we will do

1:20:04 ↗ so at our next next touch point with the

1:20:06 ↗ policy and Planning Commission and this

1:20:09 ↗ element requires additional we just need

1:20:11 ↗ a little bit of additional evaluation as

1:20:13 ↗ we go through this the goal is to have

1:20:15 ↗ some measure of enforcement if a system

1:20:16 ↗ is not conforming but not so onerous

1:20:19 ↗ that it creates undue hardships for the

1:20:20 ↗ property owner we don't want to Red Tag

1:20:22 ↗ anyone we just want the ability for

1:20:24 ↗ people to connect if they need to and we

1:20:26 ↗ want uh to make sure ensure that uh the

1:20:30 ↗ connections are being made this element

1:20:32 ↗ will be identified prior to presentation

1:20:34 ↗ at the next

1:20:36 ↗ so I'm not going to read through this

1:20:38 ↗ this is kind of what we went through but

1:20:40 ↗ this is currently where we're at we're

1:20:41 ↗ in the least proactive uh

1:20:44 ↗ side of things

1:20:46 ↗ um and we've evaluated uh less proactive

1:20:49 ↗ proactive and and more proactive options

1:20:52 ↗ and our goal is to be kind of in the

1:20:55 ↗ middle be a little more proactive than

1:20:56 ↗ we are currently

1:20:58 ↗ and again uh I can read these for you

1:21:00 ↗ later at a later date it's very small

1:21:03 ↗ text but uh I just wanted to kind of

1:21:05 ↗ explain that our goal in in our

1:21:08 ↗ qualitative assessment is to be more

1:21:10 ↗ proactive in our uh

1:21:13 ↗ put it

1:21:15 ↗ uh the Second Step as I mentioned is

1:21:17 ↗ stream sampling uh we are expanding our

1:21:20 ↗ our stream sampling program over the

1:21:23 ↗ next uh one to two years uh for the data

1:21:28 ↗ collection analysis currently ongoing

1:21:30 ↗ uh we are collecting uh samples uh in

1:21:34 ↗ all our major streams uh at the

1:21:36 ↗ Headwater or start of the city and then

1:21:39 ↗ in pockets of septic uh areas where

1:21:42 ↗ sewer is not available

1:21:44 ↗ and this will support the evaluation of

1:21:46 ↗ septic systems functionality as well as

1:21:48 ↗ issues with our current system and

1:21:50 ↗ potential other sources of contamination

1:21:52 ↗ like dog parks and other places where uh

1:21:56 ↗ contamination could occur

1:21:59 ↗ we're also allowing for field

1:22:01 ↗ inspections and investigating complaints

1:22:04 ↗ as they come in

1:22:06 ↗ so here's a map of where we are doing

1:22:08 ↗ the sampling at the moment these are

1:22:11 ↗ again on Issaquah Creek primarily and

1:22:14 ↗ then also Tibbetts creek and a few of

1:22:16 ↗ the other creeks in Northport

1:22:19 ↗ and Parkville

1:22:25 ↗ so the sewer extensions program our goal

1:22:28 ↗ is to extend sewers within critical

1:22:29 ↗ areas

1:22:31 ↗ this is the third step of this program

1:22:34 ↗ uh our goal is to extend uh sewers into

1:22:40 ↗ critical areas such as the floodplain

1:22:42 ↗ Shoreline stream buffers Wetlands High

1:22:45 ↗ groundwater and critical area recharge

1:22:47 ↗ areas we're proposing a tiered program

1:22:49 ↗ where extensions would be prioritized

1:22:52 ↗ based on uh the critical area that it

1:22:55 ↗ impacts

1:22:57 ↗ so tier one is the 100 Year floodplain

1:22:59 ↗ Shoreline buffer boundary and commercial

1:23:02 ↗ industrial properties uh under this

1:23:05 ↗ proposal we are suggesting no new

1:23:07 ↗ on-site typic systems in this area

1:23:09 ↗ moving forward and our goal to uh our

1:23:12 ↗ goal for timeline to extend sewers of

1:23:14 ↗ these properties is 20 years

1:23:16 ↗ uh and this would impact 89 properties

1:23:18 ↗ within the city

1:23:22 ↗ and so this is the the dark blue swath

1:23:25 ↗ is our Shoreline uh and the uh septic

1:23:30 ↗ systems that are the properties that are

1:23:32 ↗ unseptic that are in orange or yellow

1:23:35 ↗ that overlay that otherwise it'll be

1:23:37 ↗ infected

1:23:40 ↗ tier two is stream buffer other stream

1:23:42 ↗ buffers outside of our Shoreline area

1:23:44 ↗ well in boundaries and documented areas

1:23:47 ↗ with high groundwater

1:23:48 ↗ again no news on-site septic systems

1:23:51 ↗ moving forward and our goal uh for

1:23:53 ↗ extension would be 30 years for all

1:23:55 ↗ these areas these properties and the

1:23:58 ↗ properties that would be impacted is

1:23:59 ↗ about 41.

1:24:01 ↗ and this one's a little harder to read

1:24:02 ↗ but it's uh there are additional streams

1:24:05 ↗ uh that are outlined in like a beige and

1:24:09 ↗ then our properties that would be

1:24:10 ↗ impacted

1:24:12 ↗ Matt question for you yeah of course

1:24:16 ↗ do we have

1:24:18 ↗ um another map that also shows

1:24:21 ↗ presumably some of the existing

1:24:23 ↗ unsewered Parcels are within 200 feet do

1:24:26 ↗ we have any that any map that shows kind

1:24:29 ↗ of the split between those already

1:24:31 ↗ within 200 feet versus not we're kind of

1:24:33 ↗ sense for difficulty for

1:24:36 ↗ these properties that's a good question

1:24:39 ↗ we have that on our

1:24:41 ↗ GIS network but we haven't identified

1:24:45 ↗ that yet that's part of the next step is

1:24:47 ↗ to evaluate the cost for these and I'll

1:24:49 ↗ get to that because that is the uh

1:24:52 ↗ critical next step in this process is to

1:24:54 ↗ figure out the cost implications for

1:24:57 ↗ this

1:24:58 ↗ so then the final tier is the critical

1:25:01 ↗ area recharge critical Aquifer recharge

1:25:04 ↗ area or Cara uh and we're proposing this

1:25:07 ↗ in the one to ten year uh no new on-site

1:25:09 ↗ septic systems and the goal is to extend

1:25:11 ↗ sewers within 40 years this would impact

1:25:13 ↗ 15 properties and again this this one

1:25:16 ↗ isn't pertaining to fecal coliforms but

1:25:19 ↗ more emergent contaminants not knowing

1:25:22 ↗ kind of what is going to be coming down

1:25:24 ↗ the pipeline for for new chemicals that

1:25:26 ↗ we need to be watching out for but we

1:25:28 ↗ just don't want those in our uh aquifers

1:25:31 ↗ and so the removing on-site septic

1:25:34 ↗ systems uh within a reasonable time

1:25:36 ↗ period feels like it would be at least a

1:25:38 ↗ proactive measure to prevent new

1:25:42 ↗ chemicals from entering our aquifer

1:25:45 ↗ where we receive our water

1:25:47 ↗ and again the bar the purple is current

1:25:51 ↗ uh Cara that is being revised as we

1:25:54 ↗ speak but there's just a few properties

1:25:56 ↗ outside tier one and tier two that would

1:25:58 ↗ be

1:26:00 ↗ so uh there's thresholds that would

1:26:02 ↗ trigger the need for a sewer extension

1:26:03 ↗ which put in but not limited to location

1:26:05 ↗ within a priority tier areas defined in

1:26:08 ↗ the OSS Management program will be added

1:26:10 ↗ to a CI rcip so that's part of The Next

1:26:12 ↗ Step that you're mentioning is that we

1:26:14 ↗ will develop a CIP figuring out the cost

1:26:16 ↗ for these and figuring out where the

1:26:18 ↗ biggest pockets are we also overlay that

1:26:21 ↗ with our stream sampling to see uh where

1:26:23 ↗ the uh if we're seeing a lot of fecal

1:26:28 ↗ coliforms uh pop up uh in and around uh

1:26:33 ↗ these these neighborhoods also locations

1:26:35 ↗ in areas with groups of five or more

1:26:37 ↗ homes where there is a 30 failure rate

1:26:39 ↗ or where at least 50 percent of property

1:26:41 ↗ owners desire connection to the sewer

1:26:43 ↗ system so this this leads to yeah go

1:26:46 ↗ ahead

1:26:47 ↗ Matt this is Nancy Davidson do you have

1:26:50 ↗ areas where your property owners owners

1:26:52 ↗ trying to hook up to the sewer system

1:26:53 ↗ and don't have it available

1:26:55 ↗ yes I do

1:26:56 ↗ so you're actually hearing from

1:26:58 ↗ residents wanting to consume

1:27:00 ↗ that's correct and we're trying again

1:27:01 ↗ it's the the biggest issue and that'll

1:27:04 ↗ be the next slide is uh funding because

1:27:06 ↗ it's it's the one of the bigger

1:27:08 ↗ elephants in the room for this element

1:27:11 ↗ uh and then I guess the other major

1:27:14 ↗ thing is is Redevelopment

1:27:16 ↗ um if an area is being redeveloped uh

1:27:19 ↗ changed from one type of use to another

1:27:21 ↗ then Seward obviously need to be uh

1:27:25 ↗ connected at that point

1:27:27 ↗ so we did look at uh funding

1:27:30 ↗ Alternatives because this is a challenge

1:27:32 ↗ uh we're not quite there yet in terms of

1:27:35 ↗ uh finding the final solution this has

1:27:38 ↗ to be a decision uh for the council

1:27:41 ↗ but we've looked at utility local

1:27:43 ↗ Improvement districts costs are

1:27:45 ↗ distributed by property owner at the

1:27:46 ↗ time of extension

1:27:48 ↗ uh funded my city with recuperation uh

1:27:52 ↗ so basically uh

1:27:54 ↗ uh the city funds of sewer uh and then

1:27:57 ↗ at the time of connection the homeowner

1:27:59 ↗ pays their portion for that extension uh

1:28:02 ↗ funded by the city with no food

1:28:03 ↗ recuperation uh the city funds the sewer

1:28:05 ↗ uh and the cost is borne by the rate

1:28:09 ↗ payers or a cost share uh kind of a

1:28:12 ↗ combination of those lower two bullets

1:28:15 ↗ um sewer extensions are expensive these

1:28:18 ↗ are hugely impactful to Property Owners

1:28:20 ↗ additionally on Seward neighborhoods

1:28:21 ↗ typically exist for a reason

1:28:22 ↗ encompassing challenges for connections

1:28:25 ↗ especially along the valley floor where

1:28:27 ↗ all of the unsured areas exist near

1:28:29 ↗ critical areas you're pursuing

1:28:31 ↗ opportunities in our standards to reduce

1:28:33 ↗ costs for connections and make

1:28:35 ↗ accommodations in areas where gravity

1:28:37 ↗ sewers are not feasible due to

1:28:39 ↗ topographic constraints the next step is

1:28:42 ↗ to identify costs for extensions in in

1:28:44 ↗ tier one and place those extensions in

1:28:46 ↗ the capital Improvement plane so like I

1:28:48 ↗ said we're we're still kind of in that

1:28:50 ↗ preliminary process we wanted to get uh

1:28:52 ↗ to you guys to see if uh the approach

1:28:55 ↗ that we're we're pursuing is a good one

1:28:57 ↗ uh and then as we do that we'll develop

1:29:00 ↗ the costs and start to figure out the

1:29:02 ↗ impacts the tiered approach is not not

1:29:05 ↗ to force connection that's what I want

1:29:07 ↗ to reiterate but to provide the

1:29:09 ↗ opportunity to hook up when the need

1:29:10 ↗ presents itself we identify a need

1:29:12 ↗ within the prioritize here and extends

1:29:14 ↗ sewers within the capital Improvement

1:29:16 ↗ plan connection is not required unless

1:29:18 ↗ the system is shown to be in failure for

1:29:20 ↗ the aforementioned inspections protocol

1:29:22 ↗ or upon desire the options shown are

1:29:24 ↗ standard mechanisms for sewer extensions

1:29:26 ↗ utilized by other municipalities in our

1:29:28 ↗ region and we will uh

1:29:31 ↗ be debating on these topics the city uh

1:29:35 ↗ is uh evaluating options for funding

1:29:39 ↗ Alternatives with the desire to make a

1:29:40 ↗ fair and Equitable partnership with

1:29:42 ↗ impacted property owners and the goal is

1:29:44 ↗ to find a mechanism that facilitates its

1:29:46 ↗ tensions and reduces risks without

1:29:48 ↗ creating an undue burden on those

1:29:50 ↗ impacted while also not creating a huge

1:29:52 ↗ impact on existing rate payers the next

1:29:55 ↗ step in this process will be evaluate

1:29:57 ↗ options The Branding staff

1:29:58 ↗ recommendations to the planning and

1:30:00 ↗ policy commissions

1:30:03 ↗ so

1:30:04 ↗ public Outreach and education uh that'll

1:30:07 ↗ be uh that's another part of this uh

1:30:11 ↗ policy is uh uh to explain to the public

1:30:16 ↗ what we're doing uh tell them about the

1:30:18 ↗ code uh change information CIP planning

1:30:21 ↗ and on-site subject information and

1:30:23 ↗ inspection resources uh also provide in

1:30:27 ↗ uh links to our water quality uh that

1:30:30 ↗ we're doing in any education that would

1:30:32 ↗ come out of it we'll provide information

1:30:34 ↗ on our website mailers to impacted

1:30:36 ↗ property owners who are on something and

1:30:38 ↗ then as we get down the line I have open

1:30:41 ↗ houses for each extension when the time

1:30:43 ↗ comes

1:30:44 ↗ again the timeline is one year from now

1:30:46 ↗ to get these good updates

1:30:50 ↗ so here's a a time uh time in the next

1:30:53 ↗ steps we're at the Green Dot at the very

1:30:55 ↗ beginning I present to you guys uh the

1:30:58 ↗ next step is to present the planning and

1:31:01 ↗ policy commission and then to council

1:31:03 ↗ we'll also be presenting at the same

1:31:05 ↗ time another time the overarching Sewer

1:31:08 ↗ Master Plan with some additional policy

1:31:10 ↗ updates I did not want to combine the

1:31:12 ↗ two because I figured it was too complex

1:31:15 ↗ and I didn't want to add too many policy

1:31:18 ↗ questions to you to you I didn't think

1:31:20 ↗ that was fair and it would be a little

1:31:21 ↗ hard to kind of dive through all of them

1:31:24 ↗ uh as we go through that uh we will then

1:31:27 ↗ present that information to council I

1:31:29 ↗ will go through cepa review which will

1:31:31 ↗ provide a community uh engagement time

1:31:34 ↗ we will formalize our on-site septic

1:31:36 ↗ inspections program present our master

1:31:39 ↗ plan to council and then begin our CIP

1:31:42 ↗ planning process

1:31:44 ↗ and then the community touch points is

1:31:47 ↗ updates to the code and policy that'll

1:31:50 ↗ come in soon as we start to finalize a

1:31:52 ↗ few of these code portions that we still

1:31:54 ↗ have polls uh and those will be provided

1:31:57 ↗ in mailers and a website and then again

1:32:00 ↗ uh once things have kind of been

1:32:03 ↗ fine-tuned and finalized through uh

1:32:06 ↗ boards and commissions and Council uh

1:32:09 ↗ it'll go through sipa uh to to all

1:32:11 ↗ stakeholders and then when the extension

1:32:14 ↗ occurs uh we'll have an open house for

1:32:17 ↗ that neighborhood

1:32:20 ↗ so uh question for you guys is does the

1:32:23 ↗ environmental board agree with the

1:32:25 ↗ following are proactive direction for

1:32:27 ↗ coder Visions uh a more proactive

1:32:29 ↗ approach for on-site subject management

1:32:31 ↗ and proposed policy decisions for

1:32:33 ↗ Steward extension

1:32:36 ↗ that is the end of my very long

1:32:39 ↗ presentation uh if you have questions or

1:32:42 ↗ time to deliberate

1:32:46 ↗ thank you Matt

1:32:48 ↗ Dawn first

1:32:50 ↗ hey Matt Don McQueen was here so a

1:32:52 ↗ couple questions for you

1:32:53 ↗ um the inspections of these OSS is who's

1:32:56 ↗ going to be doing that is that a city

1:32:58 ↗ responsibility or is that going to be

1:33:00 ↗ bound on the homeowner it is been on the

1:33:04 ↗ homeowner we we manage it but it would

1:33:07 ↗ be a on-site septic uh uh a certified uh

1:33:12 ↗ inspector would be doing that that work

1:33:14 ↗ so that's a cost to the homeowner for

1:33:16 ↗ that that is correct and that is

1:33:18 ↗ currently what is required but we

1:33:20 ↗ haven't required it for every septic

1:33:21 ↗ system we are going to do that for

1:33:23 ↗ everyone

1:33:26 ↗ yes and then a clarification on your

1:33:29 ↗ tiered approach you said no new septic

1:33:31 ↗ systems in those areas what if I'm what

1:33:35 ↗ if I'm a big landowner and I'm in inside

1:33:37 ↗ one of those areas and I'm planning to

1:33:39 ↗ build a home in the next 10 years

1:33:41 ↗ and you're not going to get your sewer

1:33:43 ↗ line there for another 40 years with is

1:33:46 ↗ there a meth a means for me to build

1:33:49 ↗ that is a good question that's currently

1:33:50 ↗ what's happening and so that's why we

1:33:52 ↗ want to at least put it on the capital

1:33:54 ↗ Improvement plans so that way we can

1:33:56 ↗ start to move forward with these areas

1:33:59 ↗ that are currently we're uh development

1:34:03 ↗ is currently not occurring and people

1:34:05 ↗ can't remodel their homes so at least

1:34:08 ↗ provides a method uh where there

1:34:10 ↗ currently is not

1:34:12 ↗ okay thank you and then one comment for

1:34:15 ↗ you on your enforcement process I would

1:34:18 ↗ encourage you to use a escalating

1:34:19 ↗ enforcement approach and avoid going to

1:34:22 ↗ a monetary fine at at any cost

1:34:26 ↗ so as long as the the folks are working

1:34:28 ↗ with you guys

1:34:29 ↗ um I'd stay away from issuing fines yeah

1:34:32 ↗ and that's that's typically how King

1:34:34 ↗ County Board of Health or uh Board of

1:34:37 ↗ Health Works and that's typically what

1:34:38 ↗ we would be doing too as long as people

1:34:40 ↗ are communicating with us and making the

1:34:42 ↗ effort that is typically what what we're

1:34:45 ↗ looking for but that's a very good good

1:34:47 ↗ uh

1:34:49 ↗ Thunder

1:34:52 ↗ all right thanks Don I'm going to go to

1:34:55 ↗ Nancy I do see that we have a hand up

1:34:56 ↗ from Laura so I'll probably go to her

1:34:58 ↗ next time we have Tom as well or next

1:35:00 ↗ after Nancy and then Tom Nancy go ahead

1:35:03 ↗ so I have a couple of questions about

1:35:05 ↗ your um funding Alternatives and how

1:35:07 ↗ you're prioritizing your Capital program

1:35:09 ↗ for this so

1:35:11 ↗ are you using the areas with the higher

1:35:14 ↗ higher the whole account where you think

1:35:16 ↗ you might have problems to prioritize uh

1:35:19 ↗ locations for extending sewer are you

1:35:21 ↗ doing it on areas where they're

1:35:22 ↗ requesting it so that they can get their

1:35:24 ↗ homes built or remodel stuff

1:35:27 ↗ I think it's both I think we're gonna

1:35:29 ↗ have to evaluate I I think obviously the

1:35:32 ↗ environment is is the priority here if

1:35:34 ↗ if we are seeing a hot ticket

1:35:37 ↗ um but I mean we're talking about a

1:35:40 ↗ there's not a huge amount of homes in

1:35:43 ↗ these areas I mean we're so if we add

1:35:46 ↗ one or two to the CIP each

1:35:49 ↗ biennium then at least we have the

1:35:51 ↗ process to move these forward

1:35:53 ↗ um so yeah I think the priority is ones

1:35:56 ↗ that we're we're seeing in invalidating

1:35:59 ↗ that there isn't a lot of failure in the

1:36:01 ↗ area and people can't currently utilize

1:36:03 ↗ their homes and then secondary would be

1:36:05 ↗ new development

1:36:08 ↗ okay

1:36:10 ↗ um a question about your funding

1:36:11 ↗ Alternatives and

1:36:14 ↗ um

1:36:15 ↗ you know you have some of these where

1:36:17 ↗ it's funded by city with no

1:36:18 ↗ recuperations have you talked to the

1:36:20 ↗ City attorney about that and potential

1:36:22 ↗ gift of public funds we that's why we're

1:36:25 ↗ we're not we have not evaluated these

1:36:27 ↗ completely these are the options that

1:36:29 ↗ are available to us uh we are discussing

1:36:34 ↗ how to do that to not make the the other

1:36:38 ↗ issue is that we don't want this to be

1:36:39 ↗ uh an issue of proportionality where

1:36:43 ↗ let's say it costs five million dollars

1:36:46 ↗ or some obnoxious amount for just a few

1:36:48 ↗ homes to extend sewers we want to be

1:36:50 ↗ able to provide a reasonable option that

1:36:53 ↗ uh isn't too uh expensive for the

1:36:55 ↗ homeowner but also isn't Gonna Hurt our

1:36:58 ↗ budget either so that's that's kind of

1:37:01 ↗ the next step is to figure out where uh

1:37:03 ↗ where we lie on those those items

1:37:07 ↗ that's why I'm suggesting you might want

1:37:09 ↗ to talk to the City attorney about gifts

1:37:12 ↗ of public funds and how this might apply

1:37:14 ↗ absolutely

1:37:16 ↗ the other question I have for you is you

1:37:19 ↗ know given if it is funded by all the

1:37:21 ↗ right payers in the city or in the case

1:37:23 ↗ of some of these they're located in

1:37:25 ↗ Sammamish Plateau Water and Sewer

1:37:27 ↗ District

1:37:28 ↗ um

1:37:29 ↗ you know don't we have to communicate

1:37:31 ↗ with all the residents that some of our

1:37:32 ↗ right payer numbers since it's impacting

1:37:34 ↗ all of our utility bills along the way

1:37:37 ↗ um if we are now paying for those kinds

1:37:39 ↗ of sewers and areas that are unsured

1:37:42 ↗ valid question yes we would have to

1:37:44 ↗ provide that information to the right

1:37:46 ↗ players um and to the Sammamish Plateau

1:37:48 ↗ item that

1:37:50 ↗ will also be that's a whole uh there's

1:37:53 ↗ not many that are in the Spanish Plateau

1:37:55 ↗ a lot of those are luckily up on the

1:37:57 ↗ hill or they're not in these critical

1:37:59 ↗ areas

1:38:00 ↗ um but they would be that we would not

1:38:02 ↗ be extended sewers into Sammamish

1:38:04 ↗ plateaus service area they they would be

1:38:07 ↗ responsible we would report that they're

1:38:09 ↗ a priority for us to extend but it's up

1:38:11 ↗ to them to figure out a way to do that

1:38:15 ↗ and I guess the last thing is is as

1:38:17 ↗ you're looking at this with the capacity

1:38:19 ↗ charge requirements that go to King

1:38:21 ↗ County which are on the order of I think

1:38:23 ↗ I looked it up today

1:38:25 ↗ um so much a month pretty substantial

1:38:27 ↗ amount 70 a month going to King County

1:38:31 ↗ um are people aware that those costs are

1:38:33 ↗ on top of paying for the capital on the

1:38:35 ↗ side sewer that's required and then also

1:38:37 ↗ the utility rates

1:38:39 ↗ it's pretty substantial it is yes

1:38:43 ↗ awesome okay that's it

1:38:47 ↗ foreign

1:38:54 ↗ okay

1:38:58 ↗ um hello again nice to see you

1:39:01 ↗ um I find this interesting and I kind of

1:39:04 ↗ want to challenge uh your question

1:39:05 ↗ number three about extending sewers

1:39:08 ↗ um the time frame that you're mentioning

1:39:10 ↗ is 10 to 40 years minimum

1:39:13 ↗ um but these are problems are happening

1:39:15 ↗ now and I think it's easy uh in Western

1:39:18 ↗ Society to assume that everything has to

1:39:20 ↗ go through waste but if you're talking

1:39:22 ↗ so much about fecal matter

1:39:25 ↗ um can we look into something more

1:39:27 ↗ unconventional like composting toilets

1:39:30 ↗ where we go around and pick up waste

1:39:32 ↗ from them and you know do like

1:39:33 ↗ formalized processing because I would

1:39:35 ↗ think the processing cost versus the

1:39:38 ↗ water use cost there would be some way

1:39:39 ↗ of working with those homeowners to make

1:39:41 ↗ it in some ways an even power related

1:39:45 ↗ advantages for them to to use different

1:39:48 ↗ types of toilets and at least reduce

1:39:50 ↗ some of that exposure also looking at

1:39:52 ↗ constructed Wetlands or other processes

1:39:54 ↗ it seems like the assumption that water

1:39:57 ↗ digging up the ground using more built

1:39:59 ↗ materials

1:40:00 ↗ the

1:40:02 ↗ letter involved and if we could do some

1:40:05 ↗ kind of pickup I'm curious if you have

1:40:06 ↗ Alternatives that you've looked at I

1:40:07 ↗ know that it's not necessarily something

1:40:09 ↗ done here and the US is often but there

1:40:12 ↗ are plenty of other parts of the world

1:40:14 ↗ who are having to deal with not having

1:40:15 ↗ sewers that have you know processes in

1:40:18 ↗ place

1:40:19 ↗ um so I'd be interested to hear you guys

1:40:22 ↗ look into that more but I think being a

1:40:24 ↗ little unconventional might address some

1:40:25 ↗ of these things sooner

1:40:31 ↗ [Music]

1:40:33 ↗ next oh thank you Tom Anderson here of

1:40:38 ↗ the decision criteria is about whether

1:40:40 ↗ sewer is available it's always with

1:40:42 ↗ respect to 200 feet uh within uh the

1:40:45 ↗ sewer Maine uh what about a neighborhood

1:40:48 ↗ or a portion of a neighborhood that's

1:40:50 ↗ served by a private Forest line is that

1:40:54 ↗ a consideration at all I'm not seeing

1:40:57 ↗ any wording about that sort of

1:40:59 ↗ installation in here uh what are your

1:41:01 ↗ thoughts on that

1:41:02 ↗ yeah that was part of the uh

1:41:06 ↗ looking at different ways of connecting

1:41:09 ↗ stores because right now we probably

1:41:11 ↗ prefer I still prefer gravity systems

1:41:14 ↗ but there are opportunities to look into

1:41:16 ↗ pump systems especially where we have uh

1:41:19 ↗ no uh it's challenging to get gravity in

1:41:23 ↗ in our our valley floor because it's

1:41:25 ↗ very flat there's sometimes obstructions

1:41:27 ↗ uh to get from one point to the other so

1:41:30 ↗ yes we are looking at uh extensions uh

1:41:34 ↗ that doesn't necessarily require a

1:41:37 ↗ gravity sewers it is those things would

1:41:39 ↗ be very expensive

1:41:42 ↗ well so I got there's two parts to my

1:41:44 ↗ question one is do you expect to add

1:41:48 ↗ some Nuance to the rules so that a

1:41:50 ↗ property that is within 200 feet of one

1:41:53 ↗ of those private systems would also be

1:41:56 ↗ required to connect

1:41:57 ↗ versus 200 feet of the public system

1:42:01 ↗ so that's a decision about whether

1:42:03 ↗ they'd be required to connect something

1:42:05 ↗ and then secondly would you

1:42:08 ↗ support systems like that to help reach

1:42:12 ↗ further with the less cost as far as the

1:42:16 ↗ city's infrastructure goes

1:42:18 ↗ so in in your second question yes we

1:42:20 ↗ would we're we are entertaining that and

1:42:23 ↗ trying to figure out the state

1:42:24 ↗ developing the standards to accommodate

1:42:26 ↗ that because there is additional

1:42:28 ↗ challenges and costs uh for those type

1:42:31 ↗ of systems but we are we are definitely

1:42:34 ↗ pursuing that in in cases where we don't

1:42:36 ↗ have any other options and but I do not

1:42:39 ↗ know that I wasn't I'm not sure

1:42:41 ↗ uh how many private systems are in the

1:42:46 ↗ city and whether and how much that would

1:42:48 ↗ impact our residents so I'll have to

1:42:50 ↗ look into that one that's a good

1:42:52 ↗ question

1:42:53 ↗ okay thank you

1:42:56 ↗ Tom uh next to the Anne

1:43:06 ↗ thank you I thought Dawn was going to be

1:43:08 ↗ next I misheard so thank you so much

1:43:11 ↗ this is Ann a great presentation Matt

1:43:14 ↗ and I'm so happy you um you guys are

1:43:17 ↗ looking at doing these changes

1:43:20 ↗ um

1:43:21 ↗ and I'm with Laura um if we're getting

1:43:23 ↗ fecal matter into

1:43:26 ↗ um a salmon bearing Creek and like

1:43:29 ↗ Sammamish which leads out to

1:43:32 ↗ Puget Sound

1:43:34 ↗ um it does make a lot of sense to act as

1:43:37 ↗ quickly as possible and one other thing

1:43:40 ↗ that I thought of that is outside of the

1:43:42 ↗ box that

1:43:44 ↗ could put less pressure on the system

1:43:46 ↗ would be

1:43:49 ↗ um converting

1:43:51 ↗ the gray water into flushing toilets or

1:43:55 ↗ just taking the gray water out as

1:43:57 ↗ irrigation which would both save water

1:44:00 ↗ and then also put less

1:44:03 ↗ um

1:44:05 ↗ less into the system

1:44:11 ↗ thank you

1:44:14 ↗ thank you Anne

1:44:16 ↗ um

1:44:18 ↗ Matt uh this is Jamie Finch um my

1:44:21 ↗ comments would be

1:44:24 ↗ um I think one

1:44:26 ↗ appreciate this approach I think at the

1:44:29 ↗ highest level it makes sense I I really

1:44:32 ↗ do think a lot of the

1:44:35 ↗ more uh

1:44:38 ↗ structured feedback will need to come

1:44:40 ↗ once we actually one have all of the

1:44:42 ↗ readings back from these Creeks I think

1:44:44 ↗ that's ultimately like understanding the

1:44:47 ↗ problem so I feel like that piece will

1:44:49 ↗ definitely be helpful as well as some of

1:44:52 ↗ the things just around costs and our

1:44:54 ↗ proximity of a lot of these properties

1:44:55 ↗ to existing sewer lines and the

1:44:57 ↗ difficulty of getting in there

1:45:00 ↗ um I am curious

1:45:02 ↗ whether we we have this one solution of

1:45:05 ↗ extending sewers to these properties

1:45:07 ↗ whether that's always going to be

1:45:10 ↗ quite an economically like an option

1:45:14 ↗ really in some cases so I do wonder if

1:45:16 ↗ we need to be thinking about some backup

1:45:18 ↗ Solutions I don't know I don't know

1:45:20 ↗ enough to know what those are but I just

1:45:23 ↗ imagine there's going to be certain

1:45:24 ↗ situations where it's just the cost is

1:45:26 ↗ going to be prohibitive

1:45:28 ↗ um and you need to think about how else

1:45:31 ↗ we can support

1:45:32 ↗ those types of properties

1:45:34 ↗ um

1:45:35 ↗ so I think that but I think at the

1:45:37 ↗ highest level as I I'm in support of the

1:45:40 ↗ the direction that this has headed I

1:45:42 ↗ just think a lot of the details around

1:45:44 ↗ cost how those costly born the existing

1:45:47 ↗ fecal content of some of our our streams

1:45:52 ↗ um

1:45:52 ↗ those will be I'm looking forward to

1:45:55 ↗ commenting once we have some of that

1:45:57 ↗ together as I think that'll that'll

1:45:59 ↗ truly be where we have a more fleshed

1:46:01 ↗ out uh plan to

1:46:03 ↗ take a look at

1:46:04 ↗ um

1:46:05 ↗ thank you

1:46:07 ↗ um

1:46:09 ↗ thank you Jenny uh man Cameron Fisher I

1:46:12 ↗ just got into your timing Nick's tips uh

1:46:15 ↗ slide

1:46:18 ↗ um months days years associated with

1:46:21 ↗ that uh that slide that Arrow

1:46:23 ↗ uh so our goal is to get this done in

1:46:26 ↗ this year so this is a a year program

1:46:31 ↗ thank you yep

1:46:36 ↗ and I see you have another question go

1:46:39 ↗ ahead

1:46:43 ↗ thank you

1:46:44 ↗ um and Newcombe again sorry I remembered

1:46:47 ↗ another part that I was going to mention

1:46:48 ↗ so

1:46:49 ↗ I'm just curious

1:46:51 ↗ um

1:46:52 ↗ if you're taking climate change into

1:46:55 ↗ account

1:46:56 ↗ um

1:46:57 ↗ as you're as you're going through this

1:47:01 ↗ because it's changing our water in two

1:47:04 ↗ ways we're going to be having

1:47:06 ↗ less water droughts and then we're going

1:47:09 ↗ to be having a whole bunch of water all

1:47:12 ↗ at once just like it's happening in

1:47:13 ↗ California I'm guessing that's going to

1:47:15 ↗ be happening more and more here

1:47:17 ↗ absolutely yeah so

1:47:21 ↗ um just seems like that would be

1:47:23 ↗ affecting

1:47:25 ↗ this whole system as well it is and

1:47:28 ↗ that's that's part of the reason why we

1:47:29 ↗ want to have this proactive approach of

1:47:31 ↗ of looking at our not our septic systems

1:47:33 ↗ the whole because it gets a little

1:47:35 ↗ complicated and and we get a little lost

1:47:38 ↗ but if we look at just systematically

1:47:40 ↗ looking at the areas where where they're

1:47:42 ↗ going to be the most impacted by

1:47:44 ↗ flooding and these issues that it's a

1:47:47 ↗ lot more reasonable thing to to evaluate

1:47:50 ↗ and and really

1:47:53 ↗ uh complete

1:47:57 ↗ great thank you

1:47:59 ↗ thank you Anne

1:48:01 ↗ all right do we have any other questions

1:48:04 ↗ or comments for Matt at this time

1:48:09 ↗ okay well then I may try to summarize

1:48:13 ↗ we haven't done that for a lot of the

1:48:14 ↗ other sections but I think it might be

1:48:15 ↗ helpful for this one

1:48:17 ↗ um

1:48:18 ↗ I didn't hear any objections to the

1:48:21 ↗ direction of the the city is headed I

1:48:24 ↗ think there's a lot of interest in some

1:48:26 ↗ of the details as well as the timeline

1:48:28 ↗ for this process I think it certainly

1:48:31 ↗ seems to be a topic that the board has a

1:48:34 ↗ lot of interest in

1:48:36 ↗ um in learning more as as the project

1:48:38 ↗ progresses

1:48:40 ↗ um so yeah I think that but in general

1:48:43 ↗ didn't sense any negative sentiment and

1:48:45 ↗ some positive sentiment to the direction

1:48:47 ↗ that the city is taking with the current

1:48:51 ↗ process

1:48:53 ↗ any comments or amendments to that

1:48:59 ↗ right I would just add that I did hear

1:49:01 ↗ that um the board's asking for you guys

1:49:04 ↗ to look for alternate options as well to

1:49:07 ↗ traditional

1:49:09 ↗ gravity systems or supports tour systems

1:49:11 ↗ in general yeah thank you Don that's a

1:49:13 ↗ great thought

1:49:15 ↗ our rights I think with that then thank

1:49:17 ↗ you very much Matt um I think that's uh

1:49:20 ↗ unless there's anything else you had or

1:49:22 ↗ needed from this

1:49:24 ↗ um

1:49:26 ↗ I think we're all squared away we can't

1:49:29 ↗ see your email oh sorry about that I

1:49:32 ↗ gotta stop Sherry there we go

1:49:37 ↗ all right well with that then I will go

1:49:40 ↗ to reports which I think Stacy has some

1:49:43 ↗ updates for us

1:49:45 ↗ um yeah just a couple of updates

1:49:48 ↗ announcements one thing I neglected to

1:49:51 ↗ share at the beginning of the meeting as

1:49:53 ↗ we did put I don't have one but on that

1:49:56 ↗ that's okay on the underside of your

1:49:58 ↗ name card we put a little cheat sheet

1:50:00 ↗ for voting it's a pretty formal Province

1:50:04 ↗ rule so we may want to amend that over

1:50:06 ↗ time as we put into practice

1:50:09 ↗ um we could have used that earlier today

1:50:10 ↗ but we do anticipate having some

1:50:13 ↗ policies even next meeting with the

1:50:17 ↗ um the letter to council coming before

1:50:19 ↗ you all just wanted to give you a little

1:50:21 ↗ bit of a cheat sheet on that process

1:50:25 ↗ and then just run through a few updates

1:50:28 ↗ Capital Improvement plan we the staff

1:50:32 ↗ have a proposed process and I'm lying

1:50:35 ↗ for our two-year update of the six-year

1:50:38 ↗ plan which is happening this year and

1:50:40 ↗ also encompasses the tip

1:50:44 ↗ there are some internal and Council

1:50:47 ↗ discussions happening right now to

1:50:49 ↗ formalize that process and timeline but

1:50:52 ↗ do expect that the board will be engaged

1:50:54 ↗ multiple times over the spring I've put

1:50:57 ↗ a few a placeholder on your calendar for

1:51:00 ↗ potential event in February um I will

1:51:04 ↗ confirm that over the coming weeks and

1:51:06 ↗ update your calendars accordingly as

1:51:10 ↗ well as keep you updated on the process

1:51:11 ↗ for the ucip

1:51:15 ↗ I just wanted to make sure you all aware

1:51:18 ↗ that we've been working with a couple of

1:51:19 ↗ student interns from Gibson egg was

1:51:22 ↗ hoping at some point they can come and

1:51:24 ↗ present to you all that our agendas are

1:51:26 ↗ getting very very full that we'll try

1:51:28 ↗ and make that

1:51:30 ↗ year I wanted to just highlight a few

1:51:33 ↗ things that they've been working on

1:51:35 ↗ they developed a curriculum around green

1:51:38 ↗ homes for elementary age children as a

1:51:41 ↗ way to engage students in the climate

1:51:43 ↗ action Challenge and then have that

1:51:46 ↗ information taken home to parents and

1:51:49 ↗ Guardians they're working with a teacher

1:51:51 ↗ at ibe to hopefully get into the

1:51:53 ↗ classroom this spring and present the

1:51:55 ↗ curriculum to the students and test it

1:51:58 ↗ out with the teacher

1:51:59 ↗ they've also been doing some research

1:52:01 ↗ research on keep home campaigns around

1:52:03 ↗ the country

1:52:05 ↗ um as well as Canada to help us figure

1:52:07 ↗ out ways to kind of spruce up our

1:52:10 ↗ marketing

1:52:11 ↗ they're organizing and hosting a youth

1:52:13 ↗ workshop on climate vulnerability we

1:52:16 ↗ held a training

1:52:18 ↗ with the student rotary group on Monday

1:52:20 ↗ to prepare those students for running a

1:52:23 ↗ workshop at the garage later this month

1:52:25 ↗ that will be a opportunity to talk with

1:52:28 ↗ the youth about what actions they think

1:52:31 ↗ the city and Community should be taking

1:52:32 ↗ around climate preparedness

1:52:35 ↗ and then the other main project they're

1:52:38 ↗ working on is helping to coordinate uh

1:52:40 ↗ sustainability there which I think I

1:52:42 ↗ mentioned at previous meetings where

1:52:44 ↗ you're planning to host um in April at

1:52:46 ↗ the green barn the Gibson X students

1:52:49 ↗ will be really thinking around uh

1:52:51 ↗ helping with the marketing as well as

1:52:53 ↗ under

1:52:54 ↗ it's a lot of really cool stuff they're

1:52:56 ↗ working on really great students and

1:52:58 ↗ hope that you all have a chance to meet

1:53:00 ↗ them at upcoming meeting

1:53:03 ↗ um another update I wanted to mention is

1:53:06 ↗ that the city was successful in

1:53:09 ↗ partnership with other Eastside cities

1:53:11 ↗ on a community Energy Efficiency program

1:53:13 ↗ to expand our heat pump program that

1:53:17 ↗ will provide free installs for a limited

1:53:19 ↗ number of low-income households continue

1:53:22 ↗ our work with affordable housing and

1:53:24 ↗ then also to offer some market rate

1:53:26 ↗ incentives

1:53:28 ↗ um we are planning to launch that

1:53:30 ↗ component of the program by March we

1:53:33 ↗ also just applied for another Grant with

1:53:35 ↗ the East Side cities that would expand

1:53:38 ↗ upon all of those items as well as add a

1:53:40 ↗ Workforce Development component we're

1:53:43 ↗ going to start adding in Workforce

1:53:45 ↗ Development to pretty much every Grant

1:53:46 ↗ we're applying for

1:53:48 ↗ um just recognizing that we need to

1:53:50 ↗ really build the Workhorse for HVAC and

1:53:53 ↗ renewable energy

1:53:55 ↗ next update is the interlocal agreement

1:53:58 ↗ with the Eastside climate partnership

1:54:00 ↗ has been approved by four of the five

1:54:03 ↗ cities it will go to Kirkland city

1:54:05 ↗ council I believe next week

1:54:08 ↗ um and then that will it is already in

1:54:10 ↗ effect with signatures of Two Cities but

1:54:12 ↗ will be fully ineffective level five

1:54:15 ↗ cities um

1:54:16 ↗ within the coming weeks that's the

1:54:19 ↗ interlocal agreement that allows us to

1:54:21 ↗ more closely share resources we're going

1:54:23 ↗ to bring on a shared staff person that

1:54:25 ↗ will sit at Bellevue to help run a lot

1:54:28 ↗ of these programs that we're

1:54:29 ↗ coordinating on

1:54:30 ↗ um also just makes it easier for us to

1:54:32 ↗ manage contracts together go after

1:54:34 ↗ grants together

1:54:38 ↗ um January 30th we are hosting a

1:54:42 ↗ sustainability open house with the mayor

1:54:45 ↗ I mentioned this at the December meeting

1:54:48 ↗ um we are going to have that at Gibson

1:54:50 ↗ Hall from 6 30 to 8 PM we are planning

1:54:53 ↗ to have some very brief presentations

1:54:56 ↗ from staff and the mayor I think people

1:55:00 ↗ kind of action we'll make some remarks

1:55:02 ↗ we'd also like to have a member or

1:55:05 ↗ members of the environmental board do

1:55:07 ↗ some opening remarks and possibly

1:55:09 ↗ introduce the mayor to share with the

1:55:12 ↗ community who you all are what you do

1:55:15 ↗ what you're planning to work on this

1:55:16 ↗ year

1:55:18 ↗ um we're also going to have some tables

1:55:20 ↗ set up at the event and do kind of a

1:55:23 ↗ call to action for the last half hour so

1:55:25 ↗ ask attendees to sign up for a campaign

1:55:28 ↗ or sign up to volunteer on one of our

1:55:30 ↗ programs or

1:55:33 ↗ bring in items for recall hard to

1:55:35 ↗ recycle items to for Recology

1:55:38 ↗ so just wanted to get a quick show of

1:55:42 ↗ hands and I'll also send out an email

1:55:43 ↗ about this but see who is interested

1:55:46 ↗ available to participate on January 30th

1:55:50 ↗ if necessary if one probably you'll be

1:55:53 ↗ there we'll have a special meeting

1:55:55 ↗ but would love to have some

1:55:57 ↗ representation from the environmental

1:55:58 ↗ board as well as a speaker from the

1:56:01 ↗ board to share some remarks so just it

1:56:05 ↗ observe time

1:56:09 ↗ the program

1:56:12 ↗ um or actually 6 30 to about uh 7 15 and

1:56:16 ↗ then we'll have some q a and then do

1:56:18 ↗ that kind of call to action and to

1:56:21 ↗ mingling

1:56:22 ↗ um after that

1:56:23 ↗ I will say we don't know if we're gonna

1:56:24 ↗ get five people showing up or we'll pack

1:56:27 ↗ up

1:56:28 ↗ to have hard to to tell how much the

1:56:30 ↗ community might come out

1:56:32 ↗ but sustainability will gain a lot of

1:56:34 ↗ traction how is it being that is there

1:56:37 ↗ like a much of a comms plan or kind of

1:56:39 ↗ the

1:56:41 ↗ what's that aspect of it we'll be doing

1:56:43 ↗ through most of the city's regular

1:56:46 ↗ channels The Insider

1:56:48 ↗ um probably the note from the mayor is

1:56:50 ↗ her event

1:56:51 ↗ um social media but also uh would look

1:56:56 ↗ to you all to promote and send it out to

1:56:58 ↗ PCA and through the the trails Club so

1:57:02 ↗ we'll send it out through quite a few

1:57:04 ↗ Avenues

1:57:07 ↗ General potentially interested if you're

1:57:10 ↗ available just a quick show of hand so I

1:57:13 ↗ can see

1:57:14 ↗ I need to make it a special meeting

1:57:18 ↗ and I'll send out a

1:57:20 ↗ email about this solicitation okay great

1:57:27 ↗ um oh and I should mention we've had

1:57:29 ↗ some conversation about whether or not

1:57:31 ↗ it would be a hybrid virtual event I

1:57:33 ↗ think that'll be a challenge for this

1:57:35 ↗ type of event because we are planning

1:57:38 ↗ so that it would be available for the

1:57:40 ↗ community members to do after

1:57:44 ↗ um last thing I'll just mention is the

1:57:48 ↗ schedule

1:57:49 ↗ updates as we've discussed February 1st

1:57:53 ↗ will be a special meeting we've moved up

1:57:55 ↗ our regular meeting by one week to

1:57:57 ↗ accommodate the title 18

1:57:59 ↗ um schedule we'll be really focused on

1:58:01 ↗ that meeting on finalizing a letter that

1:58:05 ↗ I can submit to council the next day

1:58:07 ↗ hopefully

1:58:08 ↗ um

1:58:09 ↗ we have a lot of other potential items

1:58:12 ↗ for that meeting that we might turn into

1:58:14 ↗ written reports or maybe just have

1:58:17 ↗ another small agenda item because I

1:58:19 ↗ think we're going to really want to

1:58:20 ↗ focus

1:58:21 ↗ ing

1:58:23 ↗ um so we'll adjust that schedule as

1:58:25 ↗ needed and then you do have a tentative

1:58:28 ↗ hold on your calendars for February 16th

1:58:31 ↗ another special meeting that would be a

1:58:33 ↗ CIP Summit but I will let you know as

1:58:37 ↗ soon as that is confirmed one way or the

1:58:39 ↗ other so potentially two special

1:58:41 ↗ meetings in February no regular meeting

1:58:44 ↗ on the 8th

1:58:47 ↗ um

1:58:47 ↗ those are the main highlights I think

1:58:50 ↗ for the gender chain agenda updates

1:58:53 ↗ um we have a lot a lot and lots so we're

1:58:57 ↗ going to just continue to kind of adjust

1:58:58 ↗ things and then I might move items just

1:59:00 ↗ into written reports

1:59:03 ↗ um just to kind of make sure we can

1:59:05 ↗ cover everything that we've identified

1:59:07 ↗ as a hurry for this year

1:59:10 ↗ those are my updates

1:59:12 ↗ thank you Stacey Denny and I don't know

1:59:16 ↗ if you're planning on saying a separate

1:59:17 ↗ email but any more guidance that you

1:59:20 ↗ want to provide now for the title 18

1:59:22 ↗ comments the important I think it's the

1:59:24 ↗ 24th but yeah right

1:59:28 ↗ um I think this was really the

1:59:29 ↗ suggestion of Stephen at the last

1:59:31 ↗ meeting was coming to that meeting with

1:59:34 ↗ a draft letter so if you all can just

1:59:37 ↗ think about that as you're preparing

1:59:39 ↗ your comments

1:59:40 ↗ um to send to me um so that I can kind

1:59:44 ↗ of drop them into a draft letter uh so I

1:59:47 ↗ don't just to keep that in mind that our

1:59:49 ↗ goal is to have a

1:59:50 ↗ temperature or making some minor or

1:59:52 ↗ visions figuring out who agrees with

1:59:54 ↗ what sections are there areas that

1:59:56 ↗ there's consensus agreement are there

1:59:58 ↗ are areas that we might want to describe

2:00:00 ↗ that members of the board have differing

2:00:02 ↗ opinions

2:00:04 ↗ um maybe taking a look back at the

2:00:06 ↗ December meeting packet that included

2:00:09 ↗ some of our previous letters to council

2:00:11 ↗ and just how those were structured and

2:00:13 ↗ Council

2:00:15 ↗ um found that was fairly easy to follow

2:00:17 ↗ so

2:00:18 ↗ that's I don't have any other specific

2:00:20 ↗ guidance but can also

2:00:22 ↗ um check in with Jamie and Don see if

2:00:24 ↗ there's any if folks need some further

2:00:26 ↗ Direction but to be clear you like

2:00:29 ↗ people will submit their comments and

2:00:30 ↗ then it'll be kind of your job to

2:00:32 ↗ synthesize that into a letter

2:00:34 ↗ so it's not like they need to follow

2:00:35 ↗ that letter necessarily with their

2:00:38 ↗ comments but it's their comments

2:00:40 ↗ hopefully should fit into that sort of

2:00:42 ↗ format yes so as much as you can write

2:00:45 ↗ out the comments as the way you would

2:00:48 ↗ want it presented to council compared to

2:00:50 ↗ just saying well I have I have concerns

2:00:52 ↗ about this section

2:00:54 ↗ um I think as much as you can write it

2:00:56 ↗ in the language that would go into a

2:00:58 ↗ letter to council the faster I can turn

2:00:59 ↗ it around

2:01:00 ↗ the office

2:01:03 ↗ um all right well I think with that

2:01:06 ↗ um

2:01:07 ↗ well the reports are complete and then

2:01:10 ↗ is there any other business

2:01:11 ↗ announcements from any from Stacy or any

2:01:14 ↗ report members

2:01:18 ↗ um all right well I think that we're

2:01:19 ↗ adjourned then thanks everyone

2:01:28 ↗ have a good night

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Council / Members (12)

Jamie Finch

Don McQuilliams

Nancy Davidson

Rishi Hazra

Cameron Fisher

Lara Lebeiko (Virtual)

Dan Hintz

Anne Newcomb (Virtual)

Ashwin Manoharan

Janet Wall

Tom Anderson

Mathangi Ramanathan, Alternate (Unexcused Absence)

Staff (4)

Stacy Vynne McKinstry, Sustainability Manager

David Reedy, Sustainability Coordinator

Billy Almanza, Sustainability Intern

Tisha Geiser, City Clerk

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