Environmental Board · Wednesday, January 11, 2023 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of December 14, 2022

packet pp.3–5

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 12-14-22 Environmental Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Environmental Board 6:30 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. December 14, 2022 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Amendments to Rules & Regulations: Virtual Attendance (A)

Tisha Gieser, City Clerk · packet pp.7–22

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Staff report:

At the Jan. 11 Board meeting the Board is requested to adopt amendments to their Rules & Regulations to incorporate a virtual attendance policy and other minor conforming changes.

Title 18 Complete Draft Clarifying Questions (I)

Minnie Dhaliwal, Community Planning and Development Director · packet pp.23–24

Topics: Land Use

Previously discussed: Environmental Board · Dec 14, 2022

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Staff report:

Office of Sustainability 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

Sewer and Wastewater Master Plan

Discussion · Matt Ellis, Utility Engineering Manager · packet pp.25–108

Topics: Water

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Staff report:

Office of Sustainability 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Updated Environmental Board Schedule

packet pp.109–111

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Staff report:

additional offerings under the Community Energy Efficient Program grant;

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0:00 ↗ January 11th meeting that's the date

0:03 ↗ isn't it yeah January 11th meeting of

0:06 ↗ the Issaquah environmental board I'm

0:07 ↗ Jamie Finch and I'll be your chair

0:09 ↗ tonight

0:10 ↗ due to the hybrid nature of this meeting

0:12 ↗ we will have some members attending in

0:14 ↗ person and others by pure bone for mute

0:17 ↗ for meeting attendees

0:19 ↗ attending remotely please state your

0:21 ↗ name each time before speaking if

0:24 ↗ joining uh mute your microphone and uh

0:27 ↗ when not speaking

0:28 ↗ um we'll we'll get some help maybe if I

0:31 ↗ miss you for anyone that's participating

0:33 ↗ uh Stacy is always your best bet to get

0:36 ↗ uh

0:37 ↗ looked in if I've missed a comment for

0:41 ↗ Commissioners in person please uh as we

0:44 ↗ always do tell your name card to

0:46 ↗ indicate the desire to speak

0:49 ↗ um and then for major items we will uh

0:52 ↗ try to summarize agreement please feel

0:54 ↗ free to chime in if there's anything

0:56 ↗ that that you feel I've missed or or

0:59 ↗ mischaracterized on that I think with

1:01 ↗ that

1:04 ↗ we could probably get to attendance

1:07 ↗ basically because I told you that to be

1:09 ↗ great great

1:11 ↗ um Tom Anderson here

1:14 ↗ matagi ramanathan

1:20 ↗ Nancy Davidson

1:23 ↗ Jamie Finch there

1:25 ↗ Cameron Fisher yeah

1:28 ↗ Richie hasra Pennsylvania

1:35 ↗ here Lara labeko

1:41 ↗ I believe she was going to join us for

1:43 ↗ Motley we'll check back in uh Ashwin

1:47 ↗ we'll go back to Russia here

1:52 ↗ um John McWilliams here

1:55 ↗ and Nukem

1:58 ↗ IA she should be joining us shortly and

2:01 ↗ then Janet here

2:06 ↗ all right thank you Stacy

2:09 ↗ um do we have any members of the public

2:11 ↗ signed up to speak or members

2:15 ↗ we have anyone joining us here if you

2:17 ↗ have anyone remotely we do have some

2:19 ↗ members of the public okay well maybe

2:22 ↗ I'll given that we have some the public

2:23 ↗ I'll I'll start with some general

2:25 ↗ guidelines

2:28 ↗ if you would like to make comment public

2:30 ↗ comments please raise your virtual hand

2:32 ↗ to do this if you're on a phone press

2:34 ↗ star three if you join my computer or

2:37 ↗ smartphone look for the hand icon

2:39 ↗ Um this can vary by device if someone

2:41 ↗ does indicate we'll have

2:43 ↗ um we'll make sure that uh you have

2:46 ↗ about five minutes is the general

2:48 ↗ guideline we obviously value public

2:51 ↗ contact part of the public process so

2:53 ↗ with that Stacy 31 indicative desire to

2:57 ↗ speak

2:58 ↗ front door

3:00 ↗ I am not seeing any hands raised or any

3:04 ↗ comments in the chat if you would like

3:06 ↗ to speak you can go ahead and send a

3:08 ↗ chat to the host

3:10 ↗ um just indicate you'd like to speak

3:13 ↗ maybe while we're waiting to see if

3:15 ↗ anyone else would like to speak I just

3:17 ↗ did want to acknowledge that we did

3:18 ↗ receive some written comments on Title

3:20 ↗ 18 materials from Connie Marsh there

3:23 ↗ were comments on connection to the

3:25 ↗ Shoreline Master Plan update technical

3:27 ↗ review process and then overall comments

3:29 ↗ on the materials

3:33 ↗ I am not seeing anyone indicating

3:36 ↗ interest in speaking hello thank you

3:39 ↗ Stacey

3:40 ↗ um I think with that then um we can move

3:42 ↗ on to approval of the minutes

3:46 ↗ um are there any comments on the minutes

3:48 ↗ from the previous meeting

3:54 ↗ but then those are

3:57 ↗ I'm approved by unanimous consent

3:59 ↗ um and now I believe we will be moving

4:01 ↗ into our standard agenda items

4:04 ↗ um amendments to rules and regulations

4:06 ↗ being the first item up on the list

4:11 ↗ oh sorry we were going to do you write

4:13 ↗ it in pencil and I forget it

4:15 ↗ um we're gonna do some introductions so

4:17 ↗ I'll hand it over to to uh Stacy for

4:21 ↗ that great thanks Amy um just really

4:24 ↗ quickly I wanted to introduce folks in

4:25 ↗ person to Billy almanza the

4:28 ↗ sustainability intern Hasting ability

4:30 ↗ virtually that he's interested today to

4:32 ↗ have a chance to meet you all and then I

4:35 ↗ also wanted to introduce David Reedy

4:37 ↗ David started last Tuesday as the

4:39 ↗ sustainability coordinator so David will

4:42 ↗ be providing some support to the

4:43 ↗ environment award and then he's doing

4:45 ↗ full immersion right now but likely

4:47 ↗ we'll start to work a little bit more on

4:49 ↗ our internal Municipal operations

4:52 ↗ um so but we'll be providing some

4:55 ↗ support to the board going forward as

4:56 ↗ well so I don't know if you want to

4:58 ↗ spend one or two minutes just doing a

5:00 ↗ quick introduction of yourself and

5:02 ↗ background sure

5:04 ↗ um hello everyone

5:06 ↗ um as Stacy said my name is David

5:08 ↗ um so I I'm from the Boston area

5:13 ↗ um and uh I most recently was working

5:16 ↗ with the government accountability

5:17 ↗ office here in their Seattle office

5:19 ↗ doing

5:20 ↗ um

5:20 ↗ auditing work on

5:23 ↗ Federal programs in a variety of

5:26 ↗ different fields but I do have a

5:28 ↗ background uh in a wide range of

5:31 ↗ environmental work I lived and worked in

5:33 ↗ Great Smoky Mountains National Park for

5:35 ↗ three years where I worked to expend

5:38 ↗ Equitable access to Environmental

5:39 ↗ Education I've done work in Statewide

5:43 ↗ solar renewable energy in Massachusetts

5:45 ↗ land conservation and urban

5:48 ↗ sustainability there

5:49 ↗ they did a short stint as an intern

5:52 ↗ working with the US Embassy in Stockholm

5:55 ↗ on some International environmental work

5:57 ↗ so I've kind of done a broad range of

6:00 ↗ things as well here in Seattle I've also

6:03 ↗ worked with um from the centered on

6:04 ↗ Transportation Justice policy work

6:07 ↗ um so I'm super excited to be here at

6:10 ↗ Issaquah working on a range of

6:12 ↗ sustainability issues it's great to meet

6:15 ↗ you all and I'm happy to chat with each

6:18 ↗ and every one of you on on all things

6:21 ↗ environmental here so just reach out if

6:24 ↗ you ever have any questions

6:25 ↗ everything

6:27 ↗ thank you David thank you as well all

6:31 ↗ right now we will move into our standard

6:33 ↗ agenda items amendments to rules and

6:35 ↗ regulations

6:37 ↗ thank you hi everybody Tisha gither city

6:40 ↗ clerk again

6:41 ↗ um it's nice to be with you again this

6:43 ↗ month

6:44 ↗ so uh at your last meeting your December

6:47 ↗ meeting we talked about

6:49 ↗ this virtual attendance policy

6:51 ↗ um I brought forward a proposed a draft

6:54 ↗ uh draft draft policy for you to discuss

6:57 ↗ and you had some input

6:59 ↗ um I know a few of you were not in

7:00 ↗ attendance at that but the input

7:02 ↗ received by those who were in attendance

7:04 ↗ was

7:06 ↗ you know an appreciation for the ability

7:10 ↗ to attend virtually the flexibility that

7:13 ↗ offered the opportunity to not need to

7:16 ↗ drive into meetings and to the positive

7:18 ↗ environmental impact that has in

7:20 ↗ producing reducing those trips

7:23 ↗ um but there was also uh some

7:26 ↗ recognition that there is is value to

7:29 ↗ attending meetings in person and having

7:31 ↗ the that Dynamic that is really hard to

7:35 ↗ replicate completely in the virtual

7:38 ↗ environment

7:39 ↗ a majority of the board members at that

7:42 ↗ meeting uh

7:44 ↗ spoken support of reducing that Quorum

7:48 ↗ requirements the proposed policy had

7:50 ↗ said that a quorum of your board which

7:52 ↗ in your case is five members would need

7:54 ↗ to be in person

7:55 ↗ for every meeting and then others who

7:58 ↗ wish to attend virtually could request

8:01 ↗ permission by reaching out to Stacy and

8:03 ↗ sort of she would help confirm that I

8:05 ↗ couldn't attend the emphasis was really

8:08 ↗ on having you at the meeting in person

8:10 ↗ so a majority Express support for

8:13 ↗ reducing that number down from five with

8:16 ↗ a few of you saying that you you thought

8:18 ↗ that five was reasonable

8:20 ↗ so um

8:21 ↗ tonight you have before you the policy

8:24 ↗ with a few changes

8:26 ↗ um gratefully I was able to connect with

8:29 ↗ Stacy before putting this material in

8:31 ↗ your packet and we talked through

8:34 ↗ um you know this is our was our best

8:36 ↗ effort to honor the input you provided

8:40 ↗ and also have a policy that's not too

8:43 ↗ administratively tedious

8:45 ↗ so a few of the changes

8:48 ↗ um no minimum requirement for in-person

8:52 ↗ attendance but strong language saying

8:56 ↗ that the word strives for a form of the

9:00 ↗ board to the intended in person and a

9:03 ↗ requirement that over the course of a

9:05 ↗ year in your term and board member terms

9:07 ↗ start May 1 and April 30 that you would

9:11 ↗ attend at least half of the board's

9:13 ↗ meetings in person

9:14 ↗ so

9:16 ↗ um again just a strong emphasis but less

9:18 ↗ focused on an exact number needed in

9:21 ↗ person at any given meeting

9:24 ↗ also instead of needing permission to

9:27 ↗ attend her virtually we softened it to

9:30 ↗ say that we'd like you to notify

9:32 ↗ um Stacy it's helpful for her to know

9:34 ↗ tonight as unfortunately it happened a

9:37 ↗ few times we were having some technical

9:39 ↗ issues so it's helpful to know if any

9:41 ↗ board members were expected virtually

9:43 ↗ because that impacted you know the

9:45 ↗ amount of time and the staff we might

9:47 ↗ call in to help ensure we can get the

9:49 ↗ equipment working robustly

9:52 ↗ so uh let's see here so reduced took

9:56 ↗ away the minimum requirement took away

9:58 ↗ the need for permission instead

10:00 ↗ requesting just a notification

10:03 ↗ um also removed the five day advance

10:06 ↗ notice

10:07 ↗ um so the notification could conceivably

10:10 ↗ be you know the day before the meeting

10:12 ↗ saying I'll be attending virtually we

10:14 ↗ would appreciate as much advance notice

10:16 ↗ as possible but um did remove that

10:19 ↗ requirement

10:21 ↗ I think I've covered

10:23 ↗ um the main changes that were really all

10:27 ↗ within that um new section five and

10:30 ↗ those were shown in Red Line literally

10:33 ↗ in red in your agenda packet so tonight

10:37 ↗ um I did include a proposed Motion in

10:40 ↗ the staff report uh as a reminder these

10:43 ↗ changes regarding virtual attendance and

10:46 ↗ acknowledging the virtual meetings of

10:48 ↗ the environmental board would be made to

10:50 ↗ your rules and regulations with which

10:52 ↗ the board adopts

10:54 ↗ um adoption of the rules and any changes

10:56 ↗ to them requires a majority of the full

10:58 ↗ board sentence five of you need to vote

11:00 ↗ in support of any changes

11:03 ↗ um and upon offering a motion tonight

11:05 ↗ and uh hopefully adopting

11:08 ↗ the proposed amendments in this form or

11:10 ↗ in a changed form if anyone has

11:12 ↗ amendments to propose

11:14 ↗ um I'll then modify your rules and

11:16 ↗ regulations and have the chair and vice

11:18 ↗ chair sign those and post them to the

11:20 ↗ website

11:21 ↗ um so that that is the goal of this item

11:24 ↗ and I'm here if you have any questions

11:29 ↗ thank you Patricia so I think now oh it

11:31 ↗ looks like we have our first comment

11:32 ↗ Nancy sorry I apologize in the last

11:35 ↗ meeting but just it happened but I do

11:38 ↗ have a question more for Stacy than

11:40 ↗ anything else and if you look at section

11:42 ↗ 5A it talks about

11:45 ↗ um the virtual meeting platform and

11:47 ↗ equipment needs to be available the

11:49 ↗ schedule meeting time and location prior

11:51 ↗ to us notifying you so can I request

11:54 ↗ that you put that on the agenda so that

11:56 ↗ we know if it's going to be I mean we

11:58 ↗ assume it will be here and the equipment

12:00 ↗ will be here but the intent is to have

12:03 ↗ that available so when we notify you we

12:05 ↗ don't have that question it doesn't need

12:08 ↗ to be I'm not proposing a change here

12:10 ↗ I'm proposing a change to our

12:12 ↗ agendas

12:14 ↗ and I I can't actually answer that um

12:16 ↗ Nancy so the environmental board is one

12:19 ↗ of the boards that the city has

12:20 ↗ committed to have having an ongoing

12:22 ↗ virtual component

12:25 ↗ um as I shared at the last meeting that

12:27 ↗ was initially primarily intended to

12:30 ↗ allow the public and staff to attend

12:32 ↗ remotely but with this policy and based

12:34 ↗ on input we'd like to expand that it

12:36 ↗ actually is part of one of the rule

12:38 ↗ Changers proposed tonight in these

12:40 ↗ amendments is a statement in your rules

12:42 ↗ saying that the regular meetings of the

12:44 ↗ environmental board will be held both in

12:47 ↗ person and virtually so the

12:51 ↗ um that that caveat is there mostly

12:54 ↗ because what the rules don't commit to

12:56 ↗ and what the city is not committing to

12:59 ↗ at this point is if you have a special

13:00 ↗ meeting so say you want to do you want

13:02 ↗ to have a meeting at a park or at the

13:04 ↗ city facility you know some sort of tour

13:06 ↗ or a social gathering at a restaurant or

13:09 ↗ you know park or someone's backyard I

13:12 ↗ suppose those are the type of meetings

13:14 ↗ we're not going to commit to having

13:16 ↗ virtual or even

13:19 ↗ possibly a joint meeting with another

13:21 ↗ board depending on the facility you were

13:22 ↗ using so you're you can expect as a

13:25 ↗ member that all of your regular meetings

13:28 ↗ are held you know first Wednesday of the

13:30 ↗ month we'll have that

13:31 ↗ opponent unless you're otherwise

13:32 ↗ notified

13:34 ↗ well I appreciate that response I still

13:37 ↗ think it would be great to have it on if

13:39 ↗ it's a joint agenda whatever agenda that

13:42 ↗ you're expecting environmental board

13:44 ↗ meetings members to participate in if

13:46 ↗ you notify this if there will be virtual

13:48 ↗ even if it's at a park no

13:52 ↗ um virtual or some kind of words that

13:54 ↗ says you have to attend and purpose to

13:56 ↗ be in person to be counted as

13:59 ↗ president yep I think we can do that

14:02 ↗ just it'd only be in those circumstances

14:04 ↗ where we can't do a virtual right

14:05 ↗ meeting yeah we can do that

14:10 ↗ all right any other comments or

14:12 ↗ questions on

14:14 ↗ the proposed updates

14:20 ↗ right are there any motions

14:24 ↗ hanging out there somewhere

14:28 ↗ [Laughter]

14:37 ↗ um

14:38 ↗ you know if I'm doing this right but I

14:39 ↗ moved to amend the environmental board

14:40 ↗ rules and regulations by adopting

14:43 ↗ amendments to section one regular

14:45 ↗ meetings section three Quorum section

14:47 ↗ six participation and the new section

14:49 ↗ five virtual attendance

14:53 ↗ we have a second second

14:58 ↗ thank you

14:59 ↗ um I believe now if there's any

15:01 ↗ discussion of the the motion this would

15:05 ↗ be the time for that to occur

15:11 ↗ all right

15:13 ↗ I think now then we would have Stacy

15:15 ↗ take us through a local boat

15:18 ↗ all those in favor of the motion and

15:21 ↗ improving the amendments to the

15:23 ↗ environmental board rules and

15:25 ↗ regulations

15:30 ↗ all those opposed same name

15:37 ↗ Lara did you want to vote

15:42 ↗ to figure out if I could yeah I'm I'm

15:44 ↗ with everyone yeah okay great thank you

15:49 ↗ can you see me I'm just double checking

15:51 ↗ to see if you guys okay awesome I'm a

15:53 ↗ yes too exam thank you motion passes and

15:58 ↗ work with the clerk's office to make the

16:00 ↗ Amendments so the board's rules and

16:02 ↗ regulations great thank you Tisha do you

16:05 ↗ need anything else from us no thank you

16:07 ↗ all right well thank you

16:09 ↗ all right I think with that then I think

16:12 ↗ Stacy's going to do a bit of an

16:13 ↗ introduction for the next agenda item um

16:16 ↗ title like team complete draft

16:18 ↗ clarifying questions great

16:21 ↗ um I just wanted to introduce this topic

16:24 ↗ Minnie is here essentially to answer

16:26 ↗ clarifying questions on your initial

16:29 ↗ review of the title 18 complete draft we

16:34 ↗ also have some additional staff on the

16:36 ↗ line tonight we had a pretty extensive

16:38 ↗ discussion with the Department staff at

16:42 ↗ our last meeting to talk through the

16:44 ↗ changes that have been made based on

16:46 ↗ environmental board feedback or those

16:47 ↗ that have not been made and reasoning

16:49 ↗ for that they also walked us through the

16:52 ↗ updated draft document and the structure

16:55 ↗ of it

16:56 ↗ so tonight really uh not looking

17:00 ↗ necessarily for feedback but any

17:02 ↗ clarifying questions for me as in the

17:04 ↗ team as you all continue with your

17:06 ↗ review of title 18. so we'll go over the

17:09 ↗ next steps again at the end of this

17:11 ↗ agenda item but what we are going to be

17:13 ↗ asking you to do is over the next two

17:16 ↗ weeks continue that review and document

17:19 ↗ your recommendations concerns we will

17:23 ↗ take those written concerns and

17:26 ↗ recommendations and compile them into a

17:28 ↗ letter a draft letter for Council the

17:30 ↗ board will then meet February 1st to

17:32 ↗ review and quickly finalize that drop

17:35 ↗ letter so that we could submit it ahead

17:38 ↗ of council's review of title 18. so

17:41 ↗ those are the next steps we'll revisit

17:43 ↗ them again after conversation with

17:45 ↗ Minnie and her team

17:57 ↗ I think

17:59 ↗ um yeah we missed a few of you but I

18:01 ↗ think the your

18:03 ↗ there was a quorum and now we kind of

18:06 ↗ walked through

18:07 ↗ um of all the great feedback that we

18:10 ↗ received from you throughout the process

18:12 ↗ um and you have submitted your written

18:15 ↗ um comments to accountants will be

18:17 ↗ provided in response to those in your

18:19 ↗ packet uh we also told you where the

18:21 ↗ Consolidated draft is and highlights of

18:24 ↗ changes since the last time you saw it

18:26 ↗ so uh we're happy to enter

18:29 ↗ um any you know particular topic that

18:31 ↗ you're interested in and get into that

18:33 ↗ uh in terms of the next steps for

18:38 ↗ for this item uh we have three um we

18:41 ↗ have a planning a policy commission

18:43 ↗ meeting tomorrow where we've kind of um

18:45 ↗ walking them through uh the structure of

18:48 ↗ the new Consolidated code and the policy

18:51 ↗ questions that we've teased out based on

18:53 ↗ the feedback that we've received and

18:55 ↗ then there'll be three public hearings

18:57 ↗ um each Thursday for the remainder of uh

19:00 ↗ January and and the first Thursday in

19:02 ↗ February uh will be when they'll be

19:04 ↗ receiving the public comments on the

19:07 ↗ Consolidated draft

19:08 ↗ and then we'll capture their formal

19:12 ↗ recommendation which they're required to

19:14 ↗ give a formal recommendation to council

19:16 ↗ under the state line and in our rooms

19:19 ↗ um on any development regulations to the

19:22 ↗ council committee

19:24 ↗ um we have been checking in with the

19:26 ↗ council committee after each of the six

19:28 ↗ uh individual subtopic areas so if you

19:32 ↗ remember we had divided a room to six

19:33 ↗ buckets and we all have feedback on the

19:36 ↗ natural element and environment you know

19:39 ↗ critical areas stick clubs and all that

19:41 ↗ kind of stuff and then also the

19:43 ↗ landscape and um the portion of the

19:46 ↗ three regulations but beyond that there

19:49 ↗ was other you know process procedures

19:52 ↗ zoning and uses and another development

19:54 ↗ standards so we've been checking in with

19:56 ↗ after each public hearing that the

19:58 ↗ planning a policy commission had to go

20:01 ↗ back with the council committee to see

20:03 ↗ is there anything else beyond what we've

20:05 ↗ asked do you want uh the criminal policy

20:08 ↗ to consider any addition questions so

20:10 ↗ we've had multiple checkpoints we've had

20:12 ↗ really good feedback from this

20:14 ↗ particular board on a very a lot of uh

20:17 ↗ topics

20:18 ↗ um and your fingerprints are all over

20:20 ↗ the environmental regulations here so

20:23 ↗ thank you for all your time energy

20:25 ↗ enthusiasm and all of that so happy to

20:28 ↗ answer any specific questions

20:35 ↗ all right

20:36 ↗ now

20:38 ↗ go ahead Nancy I apologize

20:45 ↗ we appreciate that

20:48 ↗ so I want to thank you very much for all

20:51 ↗ your efforts on this but I tried to I'm

20:55 ↗ still reviewing to be honest and here's

20:57 ↗ a couple of

20:59 ↗ I have a couple of challenges that I'd

21:02 ↗ like to see if you can help me

21:04 ↗ suppose I had a single family home

21:06 ↗ located along this equipment

21:10 ↗ impervious area because I want to put in

21:12 ↗ a patio or I want to expand something

21:14 ↗ well I have to do all the critical areas

21:17 ↗ reviews and all those studies because

21:19 ↗ I'm now because I'm inside a critical

21:21 ↗ area well I have to do all of those

21:24 ↗ reports just to add a small amount of

21:26 ↗ impervious area to my property I think I

21:29 ↗ do

21:30 ↗ and that's a lot of studies for a single

21:32 ↗ family home homeowner to have to do but

21:35 ↗ is that an accurate reading of what I

21:37 ↗ see here we have them in our

21:39 ↗ non-conforming you know there is a

21:41 ↗ section where a little bit of an

21:43 ↗ exemption for a single family no wonder

21:45 ↗ so you don't have to do the print

21:48 ↗ um let me get my computer and I can get

21:50 ↗ to the specific Center

21:52 ↗ um where that is

21:54 ↗ um

21:54 ↗ but

21:57 ↗ um

21:59 ↗ so you know for instance if you have

22:02 ↗ okay

22:03 ↗ if you're not really

22:06 ↗ um

22:10 ↗ adding any further surface for instance

22:13 ↗ you know you would be exempt obviously

22:16 ↗ um if you had a deck and you're

22:18 ↗ replacing it and maintaining it that

22:21 ↗ would be itself

22:23 ↗ um the

22:24 ↗ the issue with adding inferior surface

22:29 ↗ you probably will need to but let me

22:31 ↗ just confirm we also have

22:34 ↗ Doug yormick and and if they remember

22:38 ↗ so while you're thinking about that one

22:40 ↗ I'm going to offer you a scenario number

22:42 ↗ two that goes with it

22:44 ↗ I own a

22:46 ↗ business in town that's located along

22:47 ↗ with Greek and it burned down you might

22:50 ↗ know what I'm talking about yeah let's

22:52 ↗ say it's right along the creek

22:54 ↗ can I rebuild it in place and not have

22:56 ↗ to do all the critical area studies and

22:58 ↗ all that stuff

23:00 ↗ correct there's a time limit so if you

23:02 ↗ apply for your permits within a year or

23:06 ↗ something like that then you uh then you

23:10 ↗ you know you don't have to meet the new

23:12 ↗ buffers you still have to meet the new

23:14 ↗ building code and regulations and all

23:17 ↗ that kind of stuff but as far as the

23:19 ↗ screen buffer uh and critical areas and

23:21 ↗ all that stuff that goes with it second

23:25 ↗ sorry I just had a couple scenarios that

23:27 ↗ I'm struggling with as I read it and

23:29 ↗ can't figure out how to get my arms

23:31 ↗ around that piece yeah we've teased up

23:33 ↗ that one particular question about the

23:35 ↗ homeowners and how old it can be uh for

23:39 ↗ some additional policy discussion

23:41 ↗ um and laid out some pros and cons in

23:43 ↗ the planning and policy commissions

23:44 ↗ packet

23:46 ↗ um you'll see that you know for for the

23:48 ↗ next meeting uh coming up

23:51 ↗ um and really it started they're

23:54 ↗ obviously the best available science is

23:56 ↗ a certain you know that you have to

23:58 ↗ maintain within reason if the intended

24:01 ↗ goal is to get additional you know

24:04 ↗ shading of the stream or or that can be

24:06 ↗ have the homeowner spend money in doing

24:08 ↗ that instead of going through and

24:10 ↗ producing these reports the problem then

24:13 ↗ becomes you know how do we monitor that

24:15 ↗ they that those plans uh do well over

24:18 ↗ the time it's going to depend on the

24:20 ↗ homeowner to make sure that they their

24:23 ↗ water they're kept up and all that kind

24:25 ↗ of stuff and so

24:26 ↗ ecology is found that anytime you do

24:28 ↗ these kind of things it's hard for long

24:31 ↗ term you know that you are degree you're

24:33 ↗ going to end up degrading

24:36 ↗ if you do this on a large scale

24:39 ↗ uh in a lot of places so where is that

24:42 ↗ fine line of ah getting that that's one

24:45 ↗ of the questions you were sort of asking

24:48 ↗ thank you

24:51 ↗ I have a couple questions

24:54 ↗ um one of them was just around

24:57 ↗ maybe using Nancy's model as a as a

25:03 ↗ that's another way to look at this so

25:05 ↗ say we have a property in central or in

25:08 ↗ Old Town and it's a single family

25:12 ↗ um tree canopy so for that aspect

25:15 ↗ someone's doing a major Redevelopment or

25:17 ↗ I mean maybe it's a it's an empty lot I

25:20 ↗ think Redevelopment is probably a better

25:21 ↗ example

25:23 ↗ um

25:23 ↗ can you just walk us through the process

25:25 ↗ of

25:27 ↗ identifying whether they can support the

25:29 ↗ canopy requirements that are for that

25:31 ↗ given area and like how the decision

25:34 ↗ process would be made between on-site

25:36 ↗ versus Tree Bank other options just want

25:39 ↗ to make sure I understand how that how

25:42 ↗ we think that'll work in practice yeah

25:44 ↗ um you know I know Dan is

25:47 ↗ to get into the details of the tree

25:50 ↗ canopy you know calculations but in

25:53 ↗ general

25:55 ↗ um there are three things with treat

25:56 ↗ regulation one is the treat preservation

25:58 ↗ if you have an existing tree you know

26:00 ↗ that kind of thing and then we have a

26:03 ↗ tree density requirement that at a

26:05 ↗ minimum you have to leave these density

26:07 ↗ requirements and then we have

26:08 ↗ replacement regulations of where they

26:10 ↗ can be planted and how many and what's

26:12 ↗ the ratio

26:14 ↗ so the first attempt would be to figure

26:17 ↗ out what is your existing canopy and

26:20 ↗ what are you doing in your hypothetical

26:22 ↗ example

26:24 ↗ um if there are existing trees is there

26:26 ↗ an attempt to preserve the existing

26:28 ↗ Global Group trees or or if they're

26:30 ↗ really you know not very good trees and

26:32 ↗ they're dying and you know then probably

26:34 ↗ it's a different kind of a test because

26:37 ↗ they're not gonna the mature trees for a

26:40 ↗ long period of time so is it better to

26:42 ↗ start off and plant new trees and so

26:45 ↗ that sort of assessment happens with the

26:48 ↗ treat preservation

26:50 ↗ um and uh and then

26:53 ↗ um under the existing code you just had

26:56 ↗ the number of trees you know the the

26:59 ↗ caliper

27:00 ↗ um it wasn't based off of the canopy

27:03 ↗ covered so if you kept two really small

27:06 ↗ ones you met that standard as opposed to

27:09 ↗ the the larger treatment Academy for

27:12 ↗ treat preservation in that that's one of

27:14 ↗ the issues Dan do you want to fill in

27:17 ↗ and enter uh Jenny's question

27:21 ↗ uh sure so

27:24 ↗ you you mentioned uh the possibility of

27:28 ↗ or a scenario where somebody's

27:30 ↗ redeveloping in Old Town right so

27:34 ↗ we actually have

27:36 ↗ um we submit an application and

27:41 ↗ we have retention requirements so you're

27:45 ↗ going to in this hypothetical situation

27:49 ↗ you're gonna tell us how many

27:53 ↗ um caliper inches

27:55 ↗ of significant trees you have on site

27:59 ↗ and part of that requirement is going to

28:01 ↗ be that you retain a minimum of 35

28:04 ↗ percent

28:05 ↗ of the total caliber that's already on

28:09 ↗ site

28:10 ↗ now Old Town also

28:13 ↗ um you're also going to have to meet the

28:15 ↗ canopy requirements and for Old Town

28:17 ↗ that's 33 percent now if the 35

28:22 ↗ retention of the total caliper inches

28:26 ↗ also gives you the 33 or more of canopy

28:32 ↗ coverage then you're going to be good

28:34 ↗ but if for some reason that 35 percent

28:39 ↗ um doesn't provide you with enough

28:40 ↗ canopy

28:43 ↗ then you're going to provide replacement

28:46 ↗ trees

28:48 ↗ and we're going to project those trees

28:50 ↗ out for 20 years

28:54 ↗ and that will be

28:57 ↗ um

28:59 ↗ essentially the extent of the free

29:02 ↗ preservation code AS being applied to to

29:06 ↗ your hypothetical project

29:08 ↗ thanks Daniel I I think part of what I'm

29:11 ↗ curious about is I think there's also

29:13 ↗ the potential that there's a if

29:15 ↗ someone's unable to meet the requirement

29:17 ↗ and I I want a woman I want to make sure

29:20 ↗ I understand what not being able to what

29:22 ↗ that actually what are the scenarios

29:24 ↗ that someone would end up not having

29:27 ↗ fill in that requirement on site and

29:29 ↗ would have basically that some sort of

29:32 ↗ basically mitigation occurring elsewhere

29:34 ↗ through the like the tree fund during

29:36 ↗ the exact name but

29:40 ↗ yeah I I think in

29:43 ↗ I think a single family development is

29:46 ↗ probably

29:48 ↗ the least likely to need to plant

29:52 ↗ um off-site or pay into a tree fund I

29:55 ↗ think we're we're probably looking at

29:59 ↗ um commercial properties that in an area

30:03 ↗ that has a higher impervious surface

30:05 ↗ allowance I think those are the

30:07 ↗ situations in which uh folks may not be

30:11 ↗ able to plant on site where it may not

30:13 ↗ be feasible uh for family home you have

30:16 ↗ impervious surface requirements

30:19 ↗ um in most of the city

30:22 ↗ um setbacks

30:24 ↗ so there's going to be more space to

30:27 ↗ have trees

30:29 ↗ commercial development in central

30:31 ↗ Issaquah

30:33 ↗ um where you have a higher impervious

30:36 ↗ surface allotment and not as restrictive

30:40 ↗ uh setbacks those are probably going to

30:43 ↗ be the situations in which somebody may

30:45 ↗ not be able to achieve Cappy on site

30:49 ↗ okay thank you Daniel and then I believe

30:52 ↗ I thought I saw the number I know this

30:54 ↗ is not a final number but the roughly

30:57 ↗ for I don't know what size of tree this

30:59 ↗ was the cost would be roughly seven

31:01 ↗ hundred dollars

31:03 ↗ is that accurate for and maybe it would

31:05 ↗ be helpful to understand kind of what

31:06 ↗ that size at 20 years what that actually

31:10 ↗ looks like

31:12 ↗ I'm sorry 700 what what is the cost

31:16 ↗ yeah because I thought there was a and I

31:18 ↗ know there was a camera was in the memo

31:20 ↗ or where it was but I remember seeing a

31:22 ↗ number just an estimate at this point

31:24 ↗ for what that potential mitigation cost

31:26 ↗ would be for a single trade

31:29 ↗ sure so the projection that 20-year

31:32 ↗ projection doesn't really play into it

31:34 ↗ the

31:36 ↗ um I I believe what you're referring to

31:38 ↗ is there's uh

31:42 ↗ um not as part of this code but as part

31:45 ↗ of doing

31:47 ↗ um redoing our land use fees in the

31:50 ↗ future

31:52 ↗ um a recommendation to adopt a tree

31:55 ↗ replacement

31:56 ↗ fee of about 750 dollars

32:01 ↗ um and so what that means is if you are

32:07 ↗ can't plant on site

32:11 ↗ can't find a place to plant off-site

32:13 ↗ then your third and final option is to

32:17 ↗ play pay into the uh treatment

32:20 ↗ and the payment into that tree account

32:23 ↗ per tree is currently

32:27 ↗ um proposed to be around 700 to 750

32:31 ↗ and that that's per tree and that's

32:34 ↗ supposed to cover the cost of purchasing

32:37 ↗ a tree maintaining the tree installing

32:41 ↗ the tree

32:44 ↗ um

32:46 ↗ you're looking at like the first three

32:48 ↗ years

32:55 ↗ than in those legitimate you know cases

32:59 ↗ you could uh yeah I mean the 750 will

33:03 ↗ have to keep up with inflation and all

33:04 ↗ those kind of things but and monitoring

33:06 ↗ I think the bigger issue with

33:09 ↗ with the off-site tree planting is also

33:12 ↗ going to be uh you know a three-year

33:15 ↗ monitoring period so until the trees

33:17 ↗ established it's not just you plan and

33:19 ↗ walk away so there's going to be other

33:20 ↗ things as part of the replacement it's

33:23 ↗ much easier to get it planted on your

33:25 ↗ site

33:27 ↗ but sometimes I may not be comfortable

33:33 ↗ um

33:34 ↗ I think my last last question is just

33:36 ↗ related to one of the responses I got

33:37 ↗ back Crystal thank you for all the

33:39 ↗ responses that

33:41 ↗ um on my questions via email

33:44 ↗ um

33:45 ↗ the one thing

33:47 ↗ um that I did want to just

33:49 ↗ mention one more time is around the

33:51 ↗ buffer averaging for a wetland that

33:53 ↗ could be applied by the director

33:55 ↗ and I just want to make sure that that

33:57 ↗ that's something I could never be

33:59 ↗ necessarily influenced by someone that

34:02 ↗ like a developer that's something that's

34:03 ↗ purely at the discretion or like the

34:06 ↗ situation you mentioned where it's

34:07 ↗ saving a stand of trees

34:09 ↗ that's that's the only scenario that

34:11 ↗ could be is that accurate statement

34:13 ↗ correct then we can be from language

34:16 ↗ needs to be but but we've taken out the

34:19 ↗ state that anyone can apply for a buffer

34:21 ↗ reduction will get reduced it by 25 or

34:23 ↗ or a buffer averaging you know blanket

34:26 ↗ buffer aperture provisions

34:30 ↗ actual situation where you're trying to

34:32 ↗ preserve a law order of Threes And and

34:36 ↗ it may in order to get that you might

34:39 ↗ get an offset so it's an incentive with

34:41 ↗ something that great or good would come

34:43 ↗ out

34:45 ↗ but yeah we're happy to take any

34:47 ↗ suggestions in the language there if you

34:50 ↗ think

34:53 ↗ um

34:56 ↗ yes I had a process uh comment we were

34:59 ↗ having some issues with the WebEx fur

35:01 ↗ and um I remember the public here so

35:04 ↗ just at the time you deemed appropriate

35:06 ↗ if we could open back up

35:08 ↗ okay

35:10 ↗ um well maybe we will just finish out

35:12 ↗ any questions from the board and then we

35:15 ↗ can move to public comment after that

35:16 ↗ yeah I have some responses to the

35:19 ↗ earlier question

35:21 ↗ um you know on the critical area study

35:23 ↗ so what's in the graph it hasn't changed

35:26 ↗ from our existing code is um

35:29 ↗ the director can waive the requirement

35:32 ↗ um for products related to existing

35:34 ↗ what's actually uh I am an

35:37 ↗ 18802 uh

35:39 ↗ [Music]

35:43 ↗ 400

35:47 ↗ and

35:49 ↗ it's f thank you sorry yeah no worries

35:52 ↗ so basically for single family homes if

35:55 ↗ there's no operation to the critical

35:57 ↗ area or it's buffer uh and it's not

35:59 ↗ going to affect the curriculary and

36:01 ↗ amount of controversy to the to these

36:03 ↗ goals the minimum standards required by

36:06 ↗ this chapter are met and then

36:09 ↗ um or you know you do a study

36:12 ↗ um so this could imply if you have a

36:15 ↗ house that's in the buffer but you want

36:17 ↗ to expand on the other side of the house

36:18 ↗ which is Way Beyond the required buffer

36:22 ↗ um to economy shaking their head that um

36:27 ↗ um I will you know when it comes time to

36:30 ↗ to take her comments uh she can clarify

36:33 ↗ but that's that's how I read it that's

36:36 ↗ the number f is there is additional

36:39 ↗ there is currently in the code some

36:42 ↗ discretion for the director for

36:43 ↗ single-family homeowners

36:46 ↗ when a particular area of statements

36:47 ↗ required but obviously you know if

36:50 ↗ you're within the buffer you're

36:51 ↗ impacting the buffer then we would

36:53 ↗ potentially want to know where the edge

36:56 ↗ is a lot of times what happens

36:58 ↗ practically is people don't know until

37:01 ↗ they have a weapon biologist come and

37:03 ↗ take those soil samples and everything

37:04 ↗ else to know exactly you know where the

37:07 ↗ edges so do a do a human eye it may just

37:12 ↗ look like oh it's not a wetland but it

37:14 ↗ has to have all three characteristics

37:16 ↗ and it could be until that's where the

37:19 ↗ fine line between when when the

37:21 ↗ regulations become too onerous uh when

37:24 ↗ they're ready to protect

37:25 ↗ the environment

37:28 ↗ can we just ask a follow-up one question

37:29 ↗ to what you just said so you said it

37:32 ↗ it's referred to the director do you

37:33 ↗ anticipate all I mean there's several

37:35 ↗ sections here that say you know it's at

37:37 ↗ the discretion of the director do you

37:39 ↗ anticipate each of those items actually

37:41 ↗ coming to you or will you

37:44 ↗ delegate that

37:49 ↗ it depends what we've tried to do with

37:52 ↗ this code update is is we've added

37:54 ↗ criteria for the director to the group

37:56 ↗ so whoever is in the director's shoes

37:57 ↗ can

37:59 ↗ evaluate that proposal in terms of the

38:01 ↗ same conclusion based on those five

38:03 ↗ criteria not it because there's some

38:05 ↗ consistency and expectation that it is

38:08 ↗ you know and Direction uh involved but

38:10 ↗ yes I think we can we delegate it to

38:13 ↗ staff in the Navy recommendation but

38:15 ↗ ultimately the the decision has to be

38:17 ↗ signed by

38:18 ↗ okay just wanted to learn about it thank

38:20 ↗ you

38:24 ↗ any other questions

38:31 ↗ well then maybe we can hop reopen public

38:33 ↗ comment

38:34 ↗ um

38:36 ↗ um yeah

38:39 ↗ Connie that may want to provide a public

38:42 ↗ comment

38:43 ↗ yes please do I need to get closer to

38:46 ↗ the case to the camera or am I okay over

38:48 ↗ here yeah you might want to come up I'm

38:50 ↗ not sure how well it will pick up the

38:51 ↗ behind

38:52 ↗ either the you can sit at the table or

38:56 ↗ we have the podium up too

38:59 ↗ what would you prefer

39:02 ↗ I would just like weave

39:06 ↗ a chair I spent like four hours with my

39:10 ↗ mom looking for the right coffee filter

39:12 ↗ so this is just fitting in my day sorry

39:15 ↗ about that I was not getting in and I so

39:18 ↗ I had to dive into the car

39:21 ↗ right here my name is Connie Marsh and

39:24 ↗ you have gotten

39:25 ↗ uh hope the helpful emails earn me on

39:30 ↗ Title 18 because you got 700 pages of

39:34 ↗ stuff to look at and supposedly make

39:37 ↗ reasonable comment uh the reason I was

39:40 ↗ shaking my head

39:41 ↗ at Minnie's comments is is because our

39:46 ↗ our test sample of legal non-conforming

39:49 ↗ use house which was the conversation

39:53 ↗ uh adding out over the impervious

39:56 ↗ surface is still in the buffer

39:59 ↗ and so in the language that they added

40:04 ↗ you would still have to do the critical

40:06 ↗ area studies because there's nothing

40:09 ↗ waived for

40:12 ↗ anything that's in the buffer because

40:14 ↗ anything you would add that's in the

40:16 ↗ buffer they would take is an impact even

40:18 ↗ if if it's over existing impervious and

40:21 ↗ so that is that is will still require

40:24 ↗ critical area studies given the exact

40:28 ↗ language that is in the code

40:30 ↗ now

40:32 ↗ my biggest issue so far is

40:36 ↗ the intent seems to be to protect the

40:41 ↗ critical areas

40:42 ↗ better

40:44 ↗ the language and the details of the

40:47 ↗ language

40:49 ↗ are

40:52 ↗ not easily read conflicting

40:57 ↗ um

40:59 ↗ not seemingly well organized and to my

41:03 ↗ particular brain unlikely to be able to

41:06 ↗ use easily and effectively as a tool to

41:09 ↗ protect the environment so

41:12 ↗ my I don't I can make comments I don't

41:15 ↗ have to just ask questions so if you

41:16 ↗ guys

41:17 ↗ so my suggestion would be a technical

41:21 ↗ edit I know everybody is trying in the

41:24 ↗ city to do that but they also have other

41:27 ↗ jobs

41:28 ↗ but

41:29 ↗ um

41:31 ↗ making a code that actually can work and

41:35 ↗ not make everyone crazy I think is very

41:38 ↗ hard and not a part-time job so I

41:43 ↗ I would like to see that happen

41:47 ↗ especially on the um the way that the

41:52 ↗ Fisher Wildlife Conservation habitat

41:54 ↗ area interfaces with streams and

41:59 ↗ wetlands it just does not work nobody

42:02 ↗ would be able to read that and

42:04 ↗ understand what they had to do and I

42:06 ↗ don't think staff as a whole would

42:08 ↗ understand that

42:10 ↗ either the other thing is you have an

42:14 ↗ odd number of

42:16 ↗ I'm not going to call them deviations

42:18 ↗ you have deviations in the code and then

42:20 ↗ you have exemptions and then you're

42:22 ↗ going to have exceptions and then

42:25 ↗ throughout this code language you find

42:28 ↗ things like well you should be able to

42:31 ↗ do compensatory mitigation in a stream

42:33 ↗ now why would you want to take flood

42:37 ↗ water and dig a hole in the Stream and

42:40 ↗ put your flood water in there

42:43 ↗ um it says you can take down a 12 inch

42:46 ↗ Tree in order to uh be able to do lid in

42:52 ↗ a stream buffer or a wetland buffer it

42:55 ↗ doesn't refer to your critical area

42:58 ↗ studies it does not refer to the tree

43:01 ↗ code in any exact same way so you have

43:05 ↗ these little built-in conflicts that

43:08 ↗ makes it so that that person is going to

43:10 ↗ be able to take down that 12-inch tree

43:12 ↗ because they don't have any other place

43:13 ↗ to put

43:14 ↗ so I thought it was Illuminating

43:17 ↗ listening to Daniel saying in these

43:21 ↗ higher impervious surface areas it is

43:24 ↗ likely that we will say that it is they

43:27 ↗ cannot they do not have a place to plant

43:30 ↗ those trees

43:32 ↗ so why if your code says you have to

43:35 ↗ plant the trees should the impervious

43:38 ↗ surface allowance make it so that you

43:40 ↗ don't have to who wins who decides that

43:44 ↗ how do you decide that and I don't think

43:47 ↗ that the criteria provided are giving

43:50 ↗ giving enough definition so that you can

43:54 ↗ make those decisions appropriately and

43:58 ↗ consistently and consistently

44:01 ↗ is imperative

44:03 ↗ uh so uh this is more of a rant because

44:07 ↗ you guys have gotten enough from me but

44:10 ↗ this is my perception of your chapters

44:14 ↗ uh

44:16 ↗ and if I don't know how else to be

44:19 ↗ helpful

44:20 ↗ to you in reading code because I think

44:23 ↗ it's particularly

44:25 ↗ hard reading

44:28 ↗ um but if you follow the flow of the

44:31 ↗ technical studies and see if they're

44:33 ↗ going to get you what you want and you

44:35 ↗ try to follow them through and make your

44:37 ↗ own little project up in your brain and

44:39 ↗ see if you yourself can get an answer I

44:42 ↗ think that's going to tickle a lot of

44:44 ↗ questions for you if you have the time

44:46 ↗ you have the energy can you stand it

44:48 ↗ will it drive you to drink probably but

44:52 ↗ I would ask you to try to put your

44:55 ↗ energy into it because unless we get

44:57 ↗ good code we will not be able to protect

45:00 ↗ our environment because this is the rule

45:02 ↗ this is the only tool that we have to

45:05 ↗ make developers protect

45:07 ↗ our land and our environment so if you

45:10 ↗ can stand you please please please do I

45:13 ↗ beg ooh a date okay

45:22 ↗ thank you Connie

45:24 ↗ um I think with that

45:26 ↗ I don't believe we didn't have any other

45:28 ↗ any other public comments I may quickly

45:30 ↗ reopen

45:32 ↗ um for any clarifying questions on Title

45:34 ↗ 18 to see if anything came to mind for

45:37 ↗ anyone I can give one more citation of

45:40 ↗ the code for

45:42 ↗ um 18.214.070

45:46 ↗ as um you know

45:49 ↗ um number c

45:52 ↗ 4B is talking about when you have a

45:56 ↗ non-conforming development in a stream

45:59 ↗ buffer or a weapon buffer

46:01 ↗ so

46:02 ↗ there uh if you already have a

46:05 ↗ non-conforming uh you can do an

46:07 ↗ extension outside of the required weapon

46:09 ↗ of string buffers you can add vertical

46:11 ↗ stories building expansions over

46:14 ↗ existing impervious surface is allowed

46:17 ↗ as long as you don't encroach closer to

46:19 ↗ the Wetland the Stream but for

46:22 ↗ enhancement equal to the building

46:24 ↗ expansion is required for building

46:26 ↗ expansion over 500 so you know 10 by 10

46:30 ↗ no problem but if you're going over 500

46:34 ↗ then you have to do buffer enhancement

46:35 ↗ so it gets into some of those nuances

46:37 ↗ for non-confodian structures in certain

46:41 ↗ areas

46:44 ↗ that's good sorry I don't I didn't come

46:47 ↗ up with all my questions at once but

46:49 ↗ okay I'm struggling with other things

46:52 ↗ okay

46:53 ↗ so earlier or sometime last year we

46:56 ↗ reviewed the shoreline master plan

46:58 ↗ and now we're reviewing the critical

47:00 ↗ areas and the two of them clearly

47:03 ↗ overlap

47:05 ↗ so and if there's a conflict between

47:08 ↗ them because I haven't really reviewed

47:10 ↗ them I don't know if you've done that to

47:12 ↗ make sure that they don't conflict which

47:14 ↗ one wins

47:16 ↗ um so the shoreline master program

47:19 ↗ update include stock lighting you know

47:22 ↗ updates and things like that but the

47:24 ↗ critical theory is is going to be a new

47:25 ↗ appendix that the new stuff that you

47:28 ↗ that Council will approve for a critical

47:31 ↗ areas will be the appendix that'll be

47:33 ↗ part of the s p so the string buffers

47:37 ↗ that you know a fish bearing scheme that

47:39 ↗ the 150 feet that will be the same ones

47:42 ↗ that will apply to the Shoreline so so

47:45 ↗ there is no there potentially should not

47:47 ↗ be any conflict uh but there's General

47:49 ↗ language in Thailand under the very you

47:54 ↗ know if there is a conflict the more

47:56 ↗ stringent rules will apply

47:58 ↗ okay I just want to repeat what I think

48:00 ↗ I've heard you say so

48:02 ↗ there's a chapter called critical areas

48:04 ↗ in Title 18 which I

48:06 ↗ loved reading

48:09 ↗ and that will be included as an appendix

48:13 ↗ in the shorelines master plan correct

48:15 ↗ after these are adopted is that what I

48:16 ↗ just heard so if you go to the show SMP

48:19 ↗ you know link on the web page you'll

48:21 ↗ kind of see it's in appendix and it's

48:23 ↗ attached and there are a few things that

48:26 ↗ department of ecology does not adopt

48:28 ↗ which are exemptions so the exemptions

48:30 ↗ under the critical area do not apply as

48:33 ↗ exemptions for showing purposes the

48:38 ↗ other one is a reasonable use exception

48:40 ↗ the critical areas code has a reasonable

48:42 ↗ use exception but Shoreline is a

48:44 ↗ shoreline variance which is the final

48:47 ↗ decision is made by the shoreline

48:48 ↗ hearings so those are the two things

48:51 ↗ that ecology makes us take out

48:54 ↗ foreign that helps me thank you I just

48:57 ↗ wanted to I'm having a hard time putting

48:59 ↗ them all together yeah

49:05 ↗ I had a question related to development

49:07 ↗ agreements

49:09 ↗ um

49:10 ↗ I am not super familiar with exactly how

49:12 ↗ that process looks uh

49:14 ↗ what aspects

49:17 ↗ of Title 18 like where is there we were

49:20 ↗ like where I should ask this question

49:22 ↗ how would any of the code that would

49:25 ↗ make it into Title 18 how could that be

49:27 ↗ adjusted as part of a development

49:28 ↗ agreement at a specific section of the

49:30 ↗ ways that could be done or just want to

49:31 ↗ understand how that process might happen

49:33 ↗ of current doing it that negotiation

49:37 ↗ yeah a good question

49:39 ↗ um so right at our existing code talks

49:43 ↗ about development agreements that talks

49:44 ↗ about for the trend TBR it will do this

49:46 ↗ for this type of thing it'll be about

49:49 ↗ the judicial development agreement and

49:51 ↗ then for urban Villages development

49:54 ↗ agreement as references to that as an

49:57 ↗ educated process so the City attorney

49:59 ↗ has prepared um a chapter here that uh

50:02 ↗ to clean all of that up and and really

50:05 ↗ create a great you know say what is the

50:07 ↗ process who makes the decision and

50:09 ↗ developmental agreements or legislative

50:10 ↗ decision made by Council

50:13 ↗ um and here's uh some of the things what

50:16 ↗ you you know some criteria so there is a

50:19 ↗ chapter in the proposed draft that that

50:22 ↗ attempts to

50:24 ↗ provide some clarity on on when and how

50:27 ↗ and and who makes the decision and how

50:30 ↗ the process doesn't stated position okay

50:32 ↗ and then is the Assumption because it's

50:34 ↗ processed as a as a legislative decision

50:37 ↗ there's less need to legislate exactly

50:40 ↗ what's going to happen because it's

50:42 ↗ ultimately going to need to pass I'm

50:43 ↗ just trying to understand because yeah

50:45 ↗ correct me if I'm wrong but potentially

50:47 ↗ anything within this could be updated or

50:49 ↗ kind of amended as part of a development

50:51 ↗ agreement for that specific project but

50:52 ↗ councils can't just enter into

50:54 ↗ development

50:56 ↗ you still have to do it in a public

50:59 ↗ um you have to go to public hearings

51:03 ↗ okay yeah that's helpful thank you

51:10 ↗ all right any other questions

51:14 ↗ well and I appreciate your time because

51:17 ↗ um it just lesbian

51:19 ↗ um

51:20 ↗ I'm a little confused about some of the

51:23 ↗ statements in here about utilities and

51:27 ↗ their ability to remove trees and do

51:29 ↗ other things in critical areas

51:32 ↗ and

51:33 ↗ um from what I see

51:36 ↗ they pretty much can do just about what

51:39 ↗ they want just about

51:42 ↗ and it seems to me that that doesn't

51:45 ↗ meet

51:46 ↗ kind of what we're trying to do with

51:48 ↗ these regulations

51:49 ↗ so I'd say that that is one area that

51:52 ↗ I'm particularly concerned about and

51:55 ↗ think would request you can hear where

51:58 ↗ one of my comments is coming I mean is

52:00 ↗ there a law out there that allows PNC to

52:04 ↗ come in to take down trees because it

52:07 ↗ might be a power issue or a utility such

52:10 ↗ as the sewer utility to come in and do

52:13 ↗ things because they need to remove a

52:15 ↗ septic tank just asking general

52:17 ↗ questions

52:19 ↗ um to see if there's some way that there

52:21 ↗ can be some checks on this to make sure

52:23 ↗ they're not coming in and clear cutting

52:24 ↗ along power lines

52:26 ↗ sure um you know we have attempted to

52:29 ↗ clean up a lot of this stuff uh General

52:32 ↗ blanket

52:33 ↗ um exemptions and things like that

52:36 ↗ um and subject them to the mitigation

52:38 ↗ sequencing and medication for you know

52:41 ↗ it's your last resort is there other

52:44 ↗ ways you can do this and so they still

52:46 ↗ have to go through a few of those things

52:48 ↗ um and if you cut down trees you're

52:50 ↗ still such a replacement uh ratios and

52:53 ↗ all of that kind of stuff so that should

52:55 ↗ be a deterrent for them to just

52:56 ↗ automatically assume

52:58 ↗ um but Public Safety or sometimes will

53:02 ↗ kind of you know comes into play and

53:04 ↗ there's a snowstorm and finger falling

53:07 ↗ apart and creating a hazard then when

53:11 ↗ they told me to come up

53:13 ↗ stay forever right either so there is a

53:16 ↗ life cycle that they go through and so

53:18 ↗ the idea is the icap you know canopy

53:21 ↗ Aboriginal the the great work has been

53:24 ↗ done of establishing those goals that

53:26 ↗ the proactively replanting and keeping

53:29 ↗ up with

53:30 ↗ over the Long Island but if you have

53:32 ↗ specifics about which exemption you're

53:34 ↗ talking about we're happy to get into

53:36 ↗ those

53:37 ↗ so I guess the question I have is a

53:39 ↗ single family homeowner or a business

53:40 ↗ has to go through a permit process why

53:43 ↗ are we not making utility students they

53:45 ↗ have to

53:46 ↗ they have to there's only very limited

53:48 ↗ if if there's already a sewer line can

53:51 ↗ they go and maintain it if it's plugged

53:53 ↗ up you know that kind of thing so yes

53:54 ↗ there's some exemptions for maintenance

53:56 ↗ of existence but if you're putting up a

53:59 ↗ brand new you know water line whatever

54:02 ↗ you still have to go through the

54:04 ↗ operating process if you've been applied

54:06 ↗ if it's over 12 inches you have to meet

54:09 ↗ the critical areas code and all that so

54:11 ↗ I'm not sure which I was thinking more

54:13 ↗ trees specifically you know you can see

54:15 ↗ psc's Crews come in and do a pretty good

54:19 ↗ job of cleaning canopies

54:21 ↗ and I I don't know if there's a permit

54:24 ↗ if they come in with it and there's what

54:26 ↗ I'm not seeing in the code is anything

54:29 ↗ that gives the city some ability to

54:33 ↗ manage that or to at least say come on

54:35 ↗ guys can you do this a different way

54:37 ↗ sure um Dan I don't know if you have

54:40 ↗ anything specific in terms of how the

54:42 ↗ tree code attempts to

54:45 ↗ you know

54:47 ↗ avoid any kind of abuse of power by our

54:50 ↗ companies to take down

54:53 ↗ trees

54:55 ↗ yeah so

54:57 ↗ um

54:58 ↗ you know you mentioned

55:00 ↗ um canopy cleaning

55:04 ↗ um anything that's considered excessive

55:07 ↗ pruning uh does require permit from the

55:11 ↗ city if you're doing performing pruning

55:14 ↗ for maintenance purposes you do not need

55:17 ↗ a house a

55:20 ↗ utility PSE in your example if they want

55:25 ↗ to remove trees

55:28 ↗ um they do have to get a permit

55:30 ↗ so long as those are significant trees

55:32 ↗ meaning that there's six inches

55:36 ↗ um

55:37 ↗ dbh or greater then they do need to get

55:40 ↗ a permit and they do need to meet

55:42 ↗ the approval criteria and if they do

55:46 ↗ remove they get a permit then they still

55:48 ↗ have to replant

55:53 ↗ thank you

55:55 ↗ and they actually do they have that

55:58 ↗ condition right now

56:00 ↗ or is that new in the code

56:04 ↗ um

56:06 ↗ if it's on a lot

56:08 ↗ I I would say that it's it's

56:10 ↗ current in the code uh now whether

56:14 ↗ they've actually submitted you know if

56:17 ↗ we're talking about PSE

56:19 ↗ um I I

56:20 ↗ call it instance in which I received uh

56:25 ↗ an actual tree permit from PSE

56:30 ↗ um

56:31 ↗ but I I think that's a matter of having

56:34 ↗ a conversation

56:37 ↗ answers to PSC or say myself if I take a

56:41 ↗ tree down without a permit

56:44 ↗ I I believe that kant's well

56:47 ↗ consequences I feel like is kind of

56:49 ↗ strong but

56:51 ↗ um it is accurate

56:53 ↗ um I I think that they should be applied

56:55 ↗ evenly

56:56 ↗ yeah I think a couple ways to handle uh

57:00 ↗ utility companies and they have their

57:01 ↗ own vegetation manual it's the you know

57:04 ↗ how to what how often they go in and how

57:06 ↗ often what's the vertical distance and

57:08 ↗ then there's the east coast map out they

57:11 ↗ kind of the bench on the strings in One

57:13 ↗ Direction it's like this this could be a

57:15 ↗ huge issue we need to get ahead of it

57:17 ↗ and so sometimes they really try to be

57:21 ↗ more aggressive with uh their pruning or

57:24 ↗ maintenance schedules and so on and so

57:26 ↗ forth but but it's you know because he's

57:28 ↗ a partner in the city for a lot of other

57:30 ↗ things so perhaps talking to them about

57:33 ↗ you know electric vehicle charging

57:36 ↗ stations and planning for that and and

57:38 ↗ the green vegetation management so that

57:39 ↗ happens more at a permit that permit

57:42 ↗ state but more at a collaboration and

57:44 ↗ and looking at where are some problem

57:47 ↗ points for BSE and how can they

57:50 ↗ regardless of maintaining uh some of the

57:53 ↗ city's goals and aspirations for whether

57:55 ↗ it's electric vehicle charging stations

57:58 ↗ or can be done withdrawals

58:00 ↗ we can certainly you know reach out and

58:04 ↗ try and learn their perspective and see

58:06 ↗ what they think about those and

58:10 ↗ um

58:14 ↗ I have a related question

58:17 ↗ um It's actually kind of the opposite

58:18 ↗ question uh in some ways who is actually

58:22 ↗ technically responsible for maintaining

58:24 ↗ like the trees on on your property it's

58:28 ↗ going into a an electrical line who is

58:31 ↗ who is responsible for that is the

58:33 ↗ utility of the homeowner

58:36 ↗ the trays on your property the

58:38 ↗ homeowners are responsible will be my

58:40 ↗ initial reaction to it if there's an

58:43 ↗ easement

58:44 ↗ you know a lot of times it's not really

58:47 ↗ there is it where the public

58:49 ↗ right-of-way starts and where usually

58:52 ↗ your overhead power lines should not you

58:54 ↗ know unless they have an easement on the

58:56 ↗ private property and usually put them

58:57 ↗ the right way so that's always a good

58:59 ↗ you know when you see those powerfuls

59:02 ↗ they usually believe they're having

59:03 ↗ these men on the private property owner

59:05 ↗ or being public right in a way okay so

59:08 ↗ it's in the public right away who's

59:10 ↗ responsible like who would cover the

59:12 ↗ cost of print a tree and it's it's on

59:15 ↗ the trees on my property the tree

59:17 ↗ sprouts up and over onto right away into

59:20 ↗ the power lines who's responsible in

59:23 ↗ that situation

59:25 ↗ I mean it depends on the easement so if

59:28 ↗ there's an overhead power line on the

59:30 ↗ private property they have to have the

59:32 ↗ rights to have that Powerline usually

59:34 ↗ the easement will spell out

59:36 ↗ that BSC can come in and do vegetation

59:39 ↗ maintenance and they will you know

59:40 ↗ they'll get into the specifics

59:44 ↗ um but who's responsible for replacement

59:46 ↗ but you know the reality the Practical

59:48 ↗ aspects is if there is a danger for

59:51 ↗ utility company and especially with this

59:53 ↗ power outage in the snow they will come

59:56 ↗ and clear that out

1:00:00 ↗ okay okay yeah I'm just asking because

1:00:02 ↗ I'm just curious as we I mean I'm just

1:00:05 ↗ thinking about some of the lots that

1:00:06 ↗ were suggesting quite a few trees go on

1:00:09 ↗ that there's only limited places that

1:00:10 ↗ those are going to go that'll

1:00:11 ↗ realistically end up in the public right

1:00:13 ↗ away yeah and we also not at Title 18

1:00:16 ↗ but other places are talking about

1:00:18 ↗ electrifying major aspects of people's

1:00:20 ↗ homes Etc so I just think there's some

1:00:23 ↗ tension there that uh I want to make

1:00:25 ↗ sure that I understand so okay thank you

1:00:27 ↗ thank you

1:00:32 ↗ um all right oh rishita

1:00:35 ↗ um I was just wondering you mentioned

1:00:36 ↗ that like for maintenance efforts and

1:00:38 ↗ others like sometimes they meet utility

1:00:40 ↗ companies may need like a permit for

1:00:42 ↗ work and sometimes they wouldn't who

1:00:43 ↗ would be responsible for uh I guess

1:00:46 ↗ enforcing that checking whether or not

1:00:48 ↗ they got a permit when they needed it

1:00:50 ↗ versus not

1:00:53 ↗ um

1:00:54 ↗ that would be the city is The Entity

1:00:56 ↗ that issues with permits so if we get a

1:00:58 ↗ complaint from someone saying you know

1:01:01 ↗ here the trees have been removed we will

1:01:03 ↗ send for enforcement officer to evaluate

1:01:05 ↗ which of the team who's whose properties

1:01:08 ↗ and all who's doing the tree carrying

1:01:10 ↗ and then we'll follow up as an

1:01:11 ↗ enforcement action against him

1:01:17 ↗ all right

1:01:20 ↗ last call for any questions

1:01:26 ↗ all right I'm not seeing any so thank

1:01:28 ↗ you many thank you everyone else from

1:01:31 ↗ the city that joined for this

1:01:34 ↗ um

1:01:35 ↗ and I think with that we'll move on to

1:01:37 ↗ our next agenda item

1:01:40 ↗ so with that is going to be sewer and

1:01:43 ↗ Wastewater master plan

1:01:45 ↗ um and I don't think you have an intro

1:01:46 ↗ on this one Stacy no do you want me just

1:01:49 ↗ to do a reminder in that steps for

1:01:51 ↗ totally oh yeah

1:01:54 ↗ yeah so

1:01:55 ↗ um we discussed at the last meeting that

1:01:59 ↗ um we've shifted our meeting schedule

1:02:00 ↗ around a little bit to accommodate

1:02:02 ↗ Council review so our next meeting will

1:02:05 ↗ be February 1st that's a week earlier

1:02:09 ↗ um I'm asking if folks can complete

1:02:11 ↗ their review of channel 18 and send in

1:02:14 ↗ comments to me by January 24th end of

1:02:19 ↗ day that will give me a day or two turn

1:02:21 ↗ around to compile those comments into a

1:02:23 ↗ letter get it back out to you all and

1:02:25 ↗ then our February 1st meeting will be

1:02:27 ↗ mostly focused on reviewing revising

1:02:30 ↗ that letter in real time so we can turn

1:02:32 ↗ right around

1:02:34 ↗ so when you submit those comments for me

1:02:37 ↗ to incorporate the letter the more that

1:02:39 ↗ you can write them as they should appear

1:02:41 ↗ in the letter the easy will be for me to

1:02:43 ↗ turn that letter around quickly I'm also

1:02:46 ↗ not an email to you all

1:02:47 ↗ um tonight or tomorrow just with a

1:02:49 ↗ reminder of that schedule

1:02:52 ↗ thanks

1:02:54 ↗ one other thing I'll mention is

1:02:56 ↗ everyone keeps mentioning 700 Pages for

1:02:58 ↗ Thailand team but if you actually look

1:03:00 ↗ at the agenda there's of the topics we

1:03:02 ↗ covered there's not that many pages so

1:03:04 ↗ don't be scared by 700 Pages or too much

1:03:08 ↗ obviously if you want to read the whole

1:03:10 ↗ thing go please go ahead but there are

1:03:12 ↗ it can be cut down more than that so um

1:03:15 ↗ and you know I'd say we're available if

1:03:18 ↗ you are struggling with any section just

1:03:21 ↗ reach out to me and sit down with you

1:03:23 ↗ and you know we can meet with you all

1:03:24 ↗ together without meeting notification

1:03:26 ↗ but a couple at a time or one at a time

1:03:29 ↗ if you can really sometimes it's helpful

1:03:31 ↗ to talk through and walk through some of

1:03:33 ↗ those sections so I don't hesitate to

1:03:36 ↗ reach out and let's face you know or

1:03:38 ↗ email and we'll let that happen

1:03:42 ↗ all right thank you very much

1:03:44 ↗ all right now we will move to the the

1:03:47 ↗ sewer and waste butter master plan

1:03:50 ↗ I think Matt will you be taking us away

1:03:55 ↗ yes

1:03:57 ↗ I've made you presenter you should be

1:03:59 ↗ able to share your screen all right

1:04:03 ↗ good evening everyone I'm Matt Ellis the

1:04:05 ↗ utility engineering manager for City

1:04:07 ↗ Episcopal and public works and I also

1:04:10 ↗ have on the line uh Shannon Samara and

1:04:14 ↗ Andrea Boyd with meat and hunt and Dave

1:04:18 ↗ harms with BHT and they're supporting me

1:04:20 ↗ on uh December so we figure out a share

1:04:24 ↗ a screen which might be

1:04:27 ↗ foreign

1:04:28 ↗ [Music]

1:04:58 ↗ [Music]

1:05:00 ↗ wait hold on one second

1:05:02 ↗ yeah if you have trouble I can bring it

1:05:04 ↗ up well I I didn't press the full button

1:05:06 ↗ that was the problem I apologize

1:05:09 ↗ okay sorry about that so uh tonight

1:05:13 ↗ we're talking about uh a subset of the

1:05:17 ↗ Sewer Master Plan that we're developing

1:05:18 ↗ and that is on-site septic system

1:05:20 ↗ management

1:05:22 ↗ uh this is a subject that we've been

1:05:25 ↗ working on for a while now um and we are

1:05:28 ↗ ready to present to you guys as the

1:05:30 ↗ first step in uh uh updating some policy

1:05:35 ↗ so the purpose is to update this quad

1:05:37 ↗ Mutual code for on-site septic system

1:05:39 ↗ management and extends sewers in the

1:05:41 ↗ critical areas where needed

1:05:45 ↗ so uh here is a picture of the city with

1:05:49 ↗ all our septic systems mapped out uh

1:05:52 ↗ historically uh we have looked at uh

1:05:55 ↗ private on-site septic systems equally

1:05:57 ↗ within the city no matter geographically

1:05:59 ↗ speaking every property continue to

1:06:01 ↗ drain field was created people however

1:06:04 ↗ is a city that contains unique

1:06:05 ↗ topography we have mountainsides and

1:06:08 ↗ Valley floors we are at the epicenter

1:06:10 ↗ for critical seven bearing streams in

1:06:11 ↗ our region we have areas with great

1:06:13 ↗ percolation in areas that either

1:06:15 ↗ aquifers where we get our drinking water

1:06:16 ↗ the city is served by two sewer

1:06:20 ↗ purveyors the surrounds Plateau water

1:06:21 ↗ and sewer water district provides sewer

1:06:24 ↗ to the northeast corner of the city and

1:06:26 ↗ those are the the yellow uh Parcels that

1:06:29 ↗ you see there are in subject

1:06:31 ↗ and just to highlight that and then the

1:06:33 ↗ city provides uh sewer and manages the

1:06:36 ↗ rest of the area

1:06:39 ↗ uh taking these elements into account uh

1:06:42 ↗ we realize that suffix systems are not

1:06:44 ↗ created equally the department of

1:06:46 ↗ ecology has set a total maximum daily

1:06:48 ↗ load for fecal coliforms in Israel Creek

1:06:50 ↗ of 100 colonies for 100 milliliters uh

1:06:53 ↗ since poorly maintained septic systems

1:06:55 ↗ and aging grain fields located in close

1:06:57 ↗ proximity to the creek our contributor

1:06:59 ↗ of fecal coliforms we have a

1:07:01 ↗ responsibility to be more proactive in

1:07:03 ↗ managing septic systems within the city

1:07:06 ↗ for this reason we are looking at

1:07:07 ↗ separate system management from a

1:07:09 ↗ geographic standpoint and looking at

1:07:10 ↗ ways to make a consistent and proactive

1:07:13 ↗ inspection requirements to Broad

1:07:14 ↗ properties who own septic systems

1:07:17 ↗ so we did a lot of data review as we

1:07:20 ↗ started this process we looked at the

1:07:22 ↗ Washington administrative code and the

1:07:25 ↗ rcws I looked at King County Board of

1:07:27 ↗ Health which administers uh

1:07:30 ↗ septic system management in our region

1:07:33 ↗ those are our Issaquah Municipal Code as

1:07:36 ↗ well Public Works uh operating standard

1:07:39 ↗ operating procedures we took a look at

1:07:41 ↗ our uh on-site septic inventory within

1:07:44 ↗ the city that was the map that you just

1:07:46 ↗ recently saw and our water quality

1:07:49 ↗ monitoring results for streams within

1:07:51 ↗ the area and we looked at city code for

1:07:53 ↗ neighboring communities to see where we

1:07:56 ↗ lied in comparison to our years yeah

1:08:00 ↗ so like I said King County uh Board of

1:08:02 ↗ Health uh code governs inspection

1:08:05 ↗ frequencies for on-site subject systems

1:08:07 ↗ and requirements to connect to sewer

1:08:10 ↗ currently the Board of Health uh uh

1:08:13 ↗ title 13 uh states that uh you need to

1:08:17 ↗ connect to sewer uh if your system is

1:08:19 ↗ within 200 feet of available public

1:08:21 ↗ sewer and it also stipulates the

1:08:23 ↗ inspection frequency and requirements

1:08:27 ↗ our Public Works engineering department

1:08:28 ↗ supplements King County Board of Health

1:08:30 ↗ inspections uh

1:08:33 ↗ uh with our requirements with our own

1:08:36 ↗ on-site subject inspection program The

1:08:38 ↗ Board of Health does not have funding to

1:08:40 ↗ oversee inspection an inspection program

1:08:43 ↗ s on each municipality to do that uh the

1:08:47 ↗ applicable Municipal Code of in 1332-30

1:08:50 ↗ uh has for connection requirements

1:08:53 ↗ distance requirements protection to

1:08:55 ↗ sewer and 1380 040 contains connection

1:08:58 ↗ waivers property owner elects not to

1:09:00 ↗ connect a sewer uh this waiver can be

1:09:02 ↗ renewed every three years and this is

1:09:07 ↗ so Public Works uh on-site subjects

1:09:12 ↗ site on-site septic site evaluation of

1:09:15 ↗ surveys and maintains records of

1:09:17 ↗ unseared properties it is about we

1:09:20 ↗ administered notices and set schedules

1:09:21 ↗ uh in the passing inspection is required

1:09:24 ↗ to to obtain a three-year waiver from

1:09:27 ↗ connecting to sewer inspections are uh

1:09:30 ↗ however inspections petered out uh and

1:09:34 ↗ was put on hold in 2019 and there's a

1:09:36 ↗ need to overhaul and revamp this program

1:09:40 ↗ so why update uh it's a priority of

1:09:43 ↗ cancel we've discussed this in the

1:09:45 ↗ floodplain update as a priority King

1:09:47 ↗ County Board of Health outlines the

1:09:48 ↗ inspection frequencies but does not have

1:09:50 ↗ the funding to oversee inspections

1:09:52 ↗ program there's concerns with the

1:09:54 ↗ current code the on-site septic

1:09:56 ↗ inspections are only by visual failure

1:09:58 ↗ failure or triggered with sale of

1:10:00 ↗ property and as a bank lending out as a

1:10:02 ↗ bank lending requirement however in the

1:10:04 ↗ housing market many homes are purchased

1:10:06 ↗ with cash bypassing what has

1:10:07 ↗ historically been one of the more

1:10:09 ↗ reliable mechanisms to ensure an

1:10:11 ↗ inspection experience creates a lack of

1:10:14 ↗ checks and balances to verify

1:10:15 ↗ inspections occur and to connect correct

1:10:17 ↗ problems there's a total and like I said

1:10:20 ↗ there's a total maximum daily load of

1:10:22 ↗ fecal coliforms into score Creek set by

1:10:24 ↗ the department of ecology

1:10:28 ↗ so our goal is to protect human health

1:10:30 ↗ by protecting the public from waterborne

1:10:32 ↗ illnesses to ensure water bodies are fit

1:10:34 ↗ for beneficial and recreational uses and

1:10:36 ↗ protect the environment to ensure water

1:10:39 ↗ quality protect your Aquatic Life ensure

1:10:41 ↗ water meets regulated standards and we

1:10:44 ↗ have a responsibility in the region to

1:10:46 ↗ maintain water quality and their

1:10:47 ↗ decisions could impact areas and

1:10:48 ↗ downstream from us in Lake Sammamish

1:10:51 ↗ Issaquah is just a piece of the puzzle

1:10:53 ↗ we need to be responsible water stewards

1:10:55 ↗ for future Generations

1:10:57 ↗ so how do we get there we update the

1:10:59 ↗ municipal code related to septic

1:11:00 ↗ inspections and connection requirements

1:11:02 ↗ establish a more robust on-site subject

1:11:05 ↗ Management program uh expand our stream

1:11:08 ↗ monitoring program and strategically

1:11:10 ↗ extends sewers and critical areas to

1:11:12 ↗ provide the opportunity to connect when

1:11:14 ↗ the need or desire presents itself

1:11:18 ↗ so just kind of very quickly run through

1:11:21 ↗ a septic system I'm sure everyone knows

1:11:23 ↗ what they are but just to kind of

1:11:24 ↗ provide the information a house uh

1:11:28 ↗ sewer comes out of a house and goes into

1:11:30 ↗ a septic tank uh the solids settle out

1:11:32 ↗ and the liquids go down through

1:11:34 ↗ distribution box and then into the drain

1:11:37 ↗ field where it percolates into the

1:11:39 ↗ ground uh natural microbes in the soil

1:11:41 ↗ digest the bad bacteria before it can

1:11:43 ↗ enter the groundwater or enter our

1:11:45 ↗ streams or other surface waters

1:11:48 ↗ however certain times a drain field Camp

1:11:51 ↗ isn't working correctly and that can

1:11:53 ↗ happen with high ground water

1:11:56 ↗ where the water prevents the microbes

1:11:59 ↗ from doing their job

1:12:01 ↗ we also occur with an impervious layer

1:12:03 ↗ or clogged pipe forcing the effluent

1:12:06 ↗ into the surface preventing it from

1:12:08 ↗ percolating this can also occur in older

1:12:10 ↗ septic systems as a space around the

1:12:13 ↗ drain field either gets compacted or

1:12:15 ↗ clogged

1:12:16 ↗ and then finally a drain field is if a

1:12:19 ↗ drain field is located too close to a

1:12:20 ↗ critical area and during storm events or

1:12:22 ↗ times prone to ground saturation the

1:12:24 ↗ effluent mixes with our surface water

1:12:29 ↗ so as we look at this we did a gap

1:12:32 ↗ analysis we reviewed code from

1:12:34 ↗ neighboring cities we reviewed four

1:12:36 ↗ cities in the Puget Sound region one

1:12:38 ↗ neighboring County and two cities in the

1:12:40 ↗ greater Pacific Northwest we've

1:12:42 ↗ identified gaps that we've called our

1:12:44 ↗ code lacked including inspection

1:12:47 ↗ documentation for all on-site septic

1:12:49 ↗ systems in the city inspection

1:12:51 ↗ enforcement definitions of type of

1:12:53 ↗ improvements allowed uh birds that for

1:12:56 ↗ septic systems uh identification of when

1:12:59 ↗ and where sewer connections are required

1:13:01 ↗ sewer extension requirements and

1:13:03 ↗ penalties for not connecting or

1:13:05 ↗ repairing

1:13:07 ↗ so uh we did a little qualitative

1:13:10 ↗ analysis compared to our peers and we

1:13:14 ↗ noticed that we currently our current

1:13:16 ↗ code in and program we're kind of at the

1:13:19 ↗ bottom we're at that the least proactive

1:13:23 ↗ um and with the the measures that we

1:13:25 ↗ want to put in place we want to be not

1:13:27 ↗ the most

1:13:28 ↗ restrictive but kind of towards towards

1:13:30 ↗ the upper end uh proactive and that's

1:13:33 ↗ part of the question that I'll be asking

1:13:34 ↗ of you guys tonight is is are we on the

1:13:36 ↗ right track are we uh is this the the

1:13:40 ↗ correct direction that we want to take

1:13:41 ↗ we want to be more or less proactive

1:13:44 ↗ than decisions that were made

1:13:47 ↗ so uh what's existing City policies that

1:13:50 ↗ govern this uh uh our comp plan uh it

1:13:54 ↗ identifies the protection of of quality

1:13:56 ↗ and quantity of groundwater used for

1:13:58 ↗ public Supply uh that uh relate relates

1:14:01 ↗ to our Cara our critical Aquifer

1:14:04 ↗ recharge area including restricting or

1:14:07 ↗ prohibiting land uses or activities that

1:14:09 ↗ can potentially contaminate the Aquifer

1:14:11 ↗ recharge area in the event of an

1:14:13 ↗ accidental spill or dumping our sewer

1:14:15 ↗ comprehensive plan and as I mentioned

1:14:17 ↗ we're currently updating that the old

1:14:19 ↗ one is made in 2002 when uh the city had

1:14:24 ↗ a population of 10 000 people and we're

1:14:26 ↗ nearing 40. so uh it is in desperate

1:14:30 ↗ need to be updated and the new updates

1:14:32 ↗ we'll include a more comprehensive uh an

1:14:35 ↗ up-to-date sewer conveyanced model uh

1:14:38 ↗ and look at policy updates relating to

1:14:40 ↗ not only septic systems but our

1:14:42 ↗ conveyance uh our ability and capacity

1:14:45 ↗ for conveying uh

1:14:50 ↗ uh and then our Shoreline master plan uh

1:14:54 ↗ relates to new development Redevelopment

1:14:56 ↗ required to connect to sewer and

1:14:57 ↗ expanded Sewer Service to Shoreline

1:14:59 ↗ areas

1:15:00 ↗ our storm goal performance measures

1:15:02 ↗ recommends existing developments to

1:15:04 ↗ connect when on-site subject systems

1:15:06 ↗ have failed and Sewer is available

1:15:09 ↗ so our proposal is to develop a more

1:15:11 ↗ robust on-site subject Management

1:15:13 ↗ program by updating the code and create

1:15:15 ↗ a sewer extension plan

1:15:18 ↗ so the program uh is uh twofold we do

1:15:22 ↗ on-site septic uh the on-site the

1:15:26 ↗ inspection program it's just a big word

1:15:28 ↗ uh uh inventory and uh properly

1:15:31 ↗ inventory type of systems in the city uh

1:15:34 ↗ provided a more robust Management

1:15:35 ↗ program in public Outreach and then

1:15:38 ↗ stream monitoring uh increasing our

1:15:40 ↗ stream sampling throughout the city at

1:15:42 ↗ our along our major streams and then

1:15:45 ↗ areas uh with pockets of subject systems

1:15:48 ↗ if I get into that no later slide so our

1:15:51 ↗ strategy is again to identify Target

1:15:54 ↗ tiers for sewer connection formalize

1:15:56 ↗ on-site septic inspections uh perform

1:15:58 ↗ stream monitoring expansion uh update

1:16:01 ↗ the the municipal code and perform

1:16:04 ↗ education in the public Outreach

1:16:08 ↗ so uh uh increase the on-site the

1:16:11 ↗ inspection we need to formalize our

1:16:14 ↗ inspection program to maintain the

1:16:16 ↗ inventory of all on-site subject systems

1:16:18 ↗ in the city update inspection

1:16:19 ↗ requirements uh perform inspection

1:16:22 ↗ Management in uh allow code enforcement

1:16:25 ↗ measures for non-compliance we do this

1:16:28 ↗ through visions of the code so I'm going

1:16:30 ↗ to get into the code our goal for

1:16:31 ↗ timeline is for approval is one year

1:16:34 ↗ from now

1:16:36 ↗ we have a few steps to get there uh

1:16:38 ↗ inspection requirements for all systems

1:16:40 ↗ uh are to uh all citizens are uh need to

1:16:45 ↗ adhere uh requirements are important are

1:16:48 ↗ in accordance with the King County Board

1:16:49 ↗ of Health title 13. and we want to

1:16:52 ↗ expand our inspection requirements

1:16:56 ↗ uh we're gonna

1:16:59 ↗ talk about frequency definitions of

1:17:01 ↗ types of repair loud and Sewer uh if

1:17:03 ↗ sewer is available and certified on-site

1:17:05 ↗ subjects just on-site subject main

1:17:08 ↗ maintainers to require a repair existing

1:17:11 ↗ system

1:17:12 ↗ and then we expand our inspection

1:17:13 ↗ requirements and code enforcement

1:17:17 ↗ so the first code that we're looking to

1:17:19 ↗ update is 13 32 30. and uh we would

1:17:23 ↗ require a connection of sewers available

1:17:25 ↗ within 200 feet and that's in line with

1:17:27 ↗ the board of King County Board of Health

1:17:29 ↗ our current code states to connect to

1:17:31 ↗ sewer if available for our team of

1:17:32 ↗ property so the the main revision here

1:17:35 ↗ would be that if sewer is available

1:17:36 ↗ within 200 feet you would need to

1:17:39 ↗ connect

1:17:41 ↗ right at your back

1:17:44 ↗ uh and then the connection waivers uh

1:17:47 ↗ this code revision stipulates that if an

1:17:49 ↗ on-scientific system is located within

1:17:50 ↗ 200 feet of sewer they're allowed to

1:17:52 ↗ continue to use their existing system if

1:17:54 ↗ they apply for a connection waiver this

1:17:56 ↗ requires an inspection every three years

1:17:58 ↗ for Gravity system and proposing every

1:18:01 ↗ one year for a pump system in line with

1:18:03 ↗ King County Board of Health in addition

1:18:05 ↗ as part of the code revisions we wanted

1:18:06 ↗ to be to clarify what types of

1:18:08 ↗ improvements are allowed the property is

1:18:10 ↗ located adjacent to sewer our goal is

1:18:12 ↗ not to make this an onerous issue and if

1:18:14 ↗ a system is working adequately or needs

1:18:16 ↗ minor improvements we we are fine with

1:18:18 ↗ them continuing to use their system

1:18:20 ↗ which allow minor repairs in line with

1:18:22 ↗ the King County Board of Health uh and

1:18:25 ↗ that is maintaining the the septic box

1:18:28 ↗ uh repairing baffles bump alarms things

1:18:32 ↗ like that however an extension waiver

1:18:34 ↗ would not be allowed uh for a major

1:18:37 ↗ repair such as replacing the drain field

1:18:39 ↗ or the septic tank altogether

1:18:43 ↗ s would also not be allowed for

1:18:44 ↗ non-conforming systems typically a

1:18:46 ↗ drained field that is too small for the

1:18:48 ↗ house that it serves any system that

1:18:50 ↗ isn't failure meaning the subsurface

1:18:52 ↗ soil absorption system isn't working a

1:18:55 ↗ remodel that would change the amount of

1:18:56 ↗ use to the system

1:18:58 ↗ uh and again we are proposing this if

1:19:00 ↗ Stewart is available within 200 feet

1:19:04 ↗ if sewer is unavailable due to

1:19:06 ↗ topography or further than 200 feet away

1:19:08 ↗ we would still allow repair replacement

1:19:10 ↗ of a drain field waivers do not apply in

1:19:12 ↗ the situation but allow uh also allowing

1:19:15 ↗ models that require an expansion of the

1:19:17 ↗ drain field as long as the septic system

1:19:19 ↗ is working properly

1:19:24 ↗ so then we get to the violation part and

1:19:27 ↗ uh we would repairs or replacement

1:19:30 ↗ subject systems are required as soon as

1:19:32 ↗ possible that's one of the things we

1:19:33 ↗ want we also want to verify a failure

1:19:35 ↗ failure through a die test to make sure

1:19:37 ↗ a system isn't contaminating surface

1:19:39 ↗ waters a diet test would only be

1:19:41 ↗ required if the system is recorded

1:19:44 ↗ or suspect of failure and then failed

1:19:47 ↗ septic systems will be reported to the

1:19:48 ↗ King County Health Department again this

1:19:50 ↗ is what is done but now codifies the

1:19:52 ↗ process and the final Point uh is

1:19:57 ↗ penalty uh and we have not completely uh

1:20:02 ↗ evaluated this this portion we will do

1:20:04 ↗ so at our next next touch point with the

1:20:06 ↗ policy and Planning Commission and this

1:20:09 ↗ element requires additional we just need

1:20:11 ↗ a little bit of additional evaluation as

1:20:13 ↗ we go through this the goal is to have

1:20:15 ↗ some measure of enforcement if a system

1:20:16 ↗ is not conforming but not so onerous

1:20:19 ↗ that it creates undue hardships for the

1:20:20 ↗ property owner we don't want to Red Tag

1:20:22 ↗ anyone we just want the ability for

1:20:24 ↗ people to connect if they need to and we

1:20:26 ↗ want uh to make sure ensure that uh the

1:20:30 ↗ connections are being made this element

1:20:32 ↗ will be identified prior to presentation

1:20:34 ↗ at the next

1:20:36 ↗ so I'm not going to read through this

1:20:38 ↗ this is kind of what we went through but

1:20:40 ↗ this is currently where we're at we're

1:20:41 ↗ in the least proactive uh

1:20:44 ↗ side of things

1:20:46 ↗ um and we've evaluated uh less proactive

1:20:49 ↗ proactive and and more proactive options

1:20:52 ↗ and our goal is to be kind of in the

1:20:55 ↗ middle be a little more proactive than

1:20:56 ↗ we are currently

1:20:58 ↗ and again uh I can read these for you

1:21:00 ↗ later at a later date it's very small

1:21:03 ↗ text but uh I just wanted to kind of

1:21:05 ↗ explain that our goal in in our

1:21:08 ↗ qualitative assessment is to be more

1:21:10 ↗ proactive in our uh

1:21:13 ↗ put it

1:21:15 ↗ uh the Second Step as I mentioned is

1:21:17 ↗ stream sampling uh we are expanding our

1:21:20 ↗ our stream sampling program over the

1:21:23 ↗ next uh one to two years uh for the data

1:21:28 ↗ collection analysis currently ongoing

1:21:30 ↗ uh we are collecting uh samples uh in

1:21:34 ↗ all our major streams uh at the

1:21:36 ↗ Headwater or start of the city and then

1:21:39 ↗ in pockets of septic uh areas where

1:21:42 ↗ sewer is not available

1:21:44 ↗ and this will support the evaluation of

1:21:46 ↗ septic systems functionality as well as

1:21:48 ↗ issues with our current system and

1:21:50 ↗ potential other sources of contamination

1:21:52 ↗ like dog parks and other places where uh

1:21:56 ↗ contamination could occur

1:21:59 ↗ we're also allowing for field

1:22:01 ↗ inspections and investigating complaints

1:22:04 ↗ as they come in

1:22:06 ↗ so here's a map of where we are doing

1:22:08 ↗ the sampling at the moment these are

1:22:11 ↗ again on Issaquah Creek primarily and

1:22:14 ↗ then also Tibbetts creek and a few of

1:22:16 ↗ the other creeks in Northport

1:22:19 ↗ and Parkville

1:22:25 ↗ so the sewer extensions program our goal

1:22:28 ↗ is to extend sewers within critical

1:22:29 ↗ areas

1:22:31 ↗ this is the third step of this program

1:22:34 ↗ uh our goal is to extend uh sewers into

1:22:40 ↗ critical areas such as the floodplain

1:22:42 ↗ Shoreline stream buffers Wetlands High

1:22:45 ↗ groundwater and critical area recharge

1:22:47 ↗ areas we're proposing a tiered program

1:22:49 ↗ where extensions would be prioritized

1:22:52 ↗ based on uh the critical area that it

1:22:55 ↗ impacts

1:22:57 ↗ so tier one is the 100 Year floodplain

1:22:59 ↗ Shoreline buffer boundary and commercial

1:23:02 ↗ industrial properties uh under this

1:23:05 ↗ proposal we are suggesting no new

1:23:07 ↗ on-site typic systems in this area

1:23:09 ↗ moving forward and our goal to uh our

1:23:12 ↗ goal for timeline to extend sewers of

1:23:14 ↗ these properties is 20 years

1:23:16 ↗ uh and this would impact 89 properties

1:23:18 ↗ within the city

1:23:22 ↗ and so this is the the dark blue swath

1:23:25 ↗ is our Shoreline uh and the uh septic

1:23:30 ↗ systems that are the properties that are

1:23:32 ↗ unseptic that are in orange or yellow

1:23:35 ↗ that overlay that otherwise it'll be

1:23:37 ↗ infected

1:23:40 ↗ tier two is stream buffer other stream

1:23:42 ↗ buffers outside of our Shoreline area

1:23:44 ↗ well in boundaries and documented areas

1:23:47 ↗ with high groundwater

1:23:48 ↗ again no news on-site septic systems

1:23:51 ↗ moving forward and our goal uh for

1:23:53 ↗ extension would be 30 years for all

1:23:55 ↗ these areas these properties and the

1:23:58 ↗ properties that would be impacted is

1:23:59 ↗ about 41.

1:24:01 ↗ and this one's a little harder to read

1:24:02 ↗ but it's uh there are additional streams

1:24:05 ↗ uh that are outlined in like a beige and

1:24:09 ↗ then our properties that would be

1:24:10 ↗ impacted

1:24:12 ↗ Matt question for you yeah of course

1:24:16 ↗ do we have

1:24:18 ↗ um another map that also shows

1:24:21 ↗ presumably some of the existing

1:24:23 ↗ unsewered Parcels are within 200 feet do

1:24:26 ↗ we have any that any map that shows kind

1:24:29 ↗ of the split between those already

1:24:31 ↗ within 200 feet versus not we're kind of

1:24:33 ↗ sense for difficulty for

1:24:36 ↗ these properties that's a good question

1:24:39 ↗ we have that on our

1:24:41 ↗ GIS network but we haven't identified

1:24:45 ↗ that yet that's part of the next step is

1:24:47 ↗ to evaluate the cost for these and I'll

1:24:49 ↗ get to that because that is the uh

1:24:52 ↗ critical next step in this process is to

1:24:54 ↗ figure out the cost implications for

1:24:57 ↗ this

1:24:58 ↗ so then the final tier is the critical

1:25:01 ↗ area recharge critical Aquifer recharge

1:25:04 ↗ area or Cara uh and we're proposing this

1:25:07 ↗ in the one to ten year uh no new on-site

1:25:09 ↗ septic systems and the goal is to extend

1:25:11 ↗ sewers within 40 years this would impact

1:25:13 ↗ 15 properties and again this this one

1:25:16 ↗ isn't pertaining to fecal coliforms but

1:25:19 ↗ more emergent contaminants not knowing

1:25:22 ↗ kind of what is going to be coming down

1:25:24 ↗ the pipeline for for new chemicals that

1:25:26 ↗ we need to be watching out for but we

1:25:28 ↗ just don't want those in our uh aquifers

1:25:31 ↗ and so the removing on-site septic

1:25:34 ↗ systems uh within a reasonable time

1:25:36 ↗ period feels like it would be at least a

1:25:38 ↗ proactive measure to prevent new

1:25:42 ↗ chemicals from entering our aquifer

1:25:45 ↗ where we receive our water

1:25:47 ↗ and again the bar the purple is current

1:25:51 ↗ uh Cara that is being revised as we

1:25:54 ↗ speak but there's just a few properties

1:25:56 ↗ outside tier one and tier two that would

1:25:58 ↗ be

1:26:00 ↗ so uh there's thresholds that would

1:26:02 ↗ trigger the need for a sewer extension

1:26:03 ↗ which put in but not limited to location

1:26:05 ↗ within a priority tier areas defined in

1:26:08 ↗ the OSS Management program will be added

1:26:10 ↗ to a CI rcip so that's part of The Next

1:26:12 ↗ Step that you're mentioning is that we

1:26:14 ↗ will develop a CIP figuring out the cost

1:26:16 ↗ for these and figuring out where the

1:26:18 ↗ biggest pockets are we also overlay that

1:26:21 ↗ with our stream sampling to see uh where

1:26:23 ↗ the uh if we're seeing a lot of fecal

1:26:28 ↗ coliforms uh pop up uh in and around uh

1:26:33 ↗ these these neighborhoods also locations

1:26:35 ↗ in areas with groups of five or more

1:26:37 ↗ homes where there is a 30 failure rate

1:26:39 ↗ or where at least 50 percent of property

1:26:41 ↗ owners desire connection to the sewer

1:26:43 ↗ system so this this leads to yeah go

1:26:46 ↗ ahead

1:26:47 ↗ Matt this is Nancy Davidson do you have

1:26:50 ↗ areas where your property owners owners

1:26:52 ↗ trying to hook up to the sewer system

1:26:53 ↗ and don't have it available

1:26:55 ↗ yes I do

1:26:56 ↗ so you're actually hearing from

1:26:58 ↗ residents wanting to consume

1:27:00 ↗ that's correct and we're trying again

1:27:01 ↗ it's the the biggest issue and that'll

1:27:04 ↗ be the next slide is uh funding because

1:27:06 ↗ it's it's the one of the bigger

1:27:08 ↗ elephants in the room for this element

1:27:11 ↗ uh and then I guess the other major

1:27:14 ↗ thing is is Redevelopment

1:27:16 ↗ um if an area is being redeveloped uh

1:27:19 ↗ changed from one type of use to another

1:27:21 ↗ then Seward obviously need to be uh

1:27:25 ↗ connected at that point

1:27:27 ↗ so we did look at uh funding

1:27:30 ↗ Alternatives because this is a challenge

1:27:32 ↗ uh we're not quite there yet in terms of

1:27:35 ↗ uh finding the final solution this has

1:27:38 ↗ to be a decision uh for the council

1:27:41 ↗ but we've looked at utility local

1:27:43 ↗ Improvement districts costs are

1:27:45 ↗ distributed by property owner at the

1:27:46 ↗ time of extension

1:27:48 ↗ uh funded my city with recuperation uh

1:27:52 ↗ so basically uh

1:27:54 ↗ uh the city funds of sewer uh and then

1:27:57 ↗ at the time of connection the homeowner

1:27:59 ↗ pays their portion for that extension uh

1:28:02 ↗ funded by the city with no food

1:28:03 ↗ recuperation uh the city funds the sewer

1:28:05 ↗ uh and the cost is borne by the rate

1:28:09 ↗ payers or a cost share uh kind of a

1:28:12 ↗ combination of those lower two bullets

1:28:15 ↗ um sewer extensions are expensive these

1:28:18 ↗ are hugely impactful to Property Owners

1:28:20 ↗ additionally on Seward neighborhoods

1:28:21 ↗ typically exist for a reason

1:28:22 ↗ encompassing challenges for connections

1:28:25 ↗ especially along the valley floor where

1:28:27 ↗ all of the unsured areas exist near

1:28:29 ↗ critical areas you're pursuing

1:28:31 ↗ opportunities in our standards to reduce

1:28:33 ↗ costs for connections and make

1:28:35 ↗ accommodations in areas where gravity

1:28:37 ↗ sewers are not feasible due to

1:28:39 ↗ topographic constraints the next step is

1:28:42 ↗ to identify costs for extensions in in

1:28:44 ↗ tier one and place those extensions in

1:28:46 ↗ the capital Improvement plane so like I

1:28:48 ↗ said we're we're still kind of in that

1:28:50 ↗ preliminary process we wanted to get uh

1:28:52 ↗ to you guys to see if uh the approach

1:28:55 ↗ that we're we're pursuing is a good one

1:28:57 ↗ uh and then as we do that we'll develop

1:29:00 ↗ the costs and start to figure out the

1:29:02 ↗ impacts the tiered approach is not not

1:29:05 ↗ to force connection that's what I want

1:29:07 ↗ to reiterate but to provide the

1:29:09 ↗ opportunity to hook up when the need

1:29:10 ↗ presents itself we identify a need

1:29:12 ↗ within the prioritize here and extends

1:29:14 ↗ sewers within the capital Improvement

1:29:16 ↗ plan connection is not required unless

1:29:18 ↗ the system is shown to be in failure for

1:29:20 ↗ the aforementioned inspections protocol

1:29:22 ↗ or upon desire the options shown are

1:29:24 ↗ standard mechanisms for sewer extensions

1:29:26 ↗ utilized by other municipalities in our

1:29:28 ↗ region and we will uh

1:29:31 ↗ be debating on these topics the city uh

1:29:35 ↗ is uh evaluating options for funding

1:29:39 ↗ Alternatives with the desire to make a

1:29:40 ↗ fair and Equitable partnership with

1:29:42 ↗ impacted property owners and the goal is

1:29:44 ↗ to find a mechanism that facilitates its

1:29:46 ↗ tensions and reduces risks without

1:29:48 ↗ creating an undue burden on those

1:29:50 ↗ impacted while also not creating a huge

1:29:52 ↗ impact on existing rate payers the next

1:29:55 ↗ step in this process will be evaluate

1:29:57 ↗ options The Branding staff

1:29:58 ↗ recommendations to the planning and

1:30:00 ↗ policy commissions

1:30:03 ↗ so

1:30:04 ↗ public Outreach and education uh that'll

1:30:07 ↗ be uh that's another part of this uh

1:30:11 ↗ policy is uh uh to explain to the public

1:30:16 ↗ what we're doing uh tell them about the

1:30:18 ↗ code uh change information CIP planning

1:30:21 ↗ and on-site subject information and

1:30:23 ↗ inspection resources uh also provide in

1:30:27 ↗ uh links to our water quality uh that

1:30:30 ↗ we're doing in any education that would

1:30:32 ↗ come out of it we'll provide information

1:30:34 ↗ on our website mailers to impacted

1:30:36 ↗ property owners who are on something and

1:30:38 ↗ then as we get down the line I have open

1:30:41 ↗ houses for each extension when the time

1:30:43 ↗ comes

1:30:44 ↗ again the timeline is one year from now

1:30:46 ↗ to get these good updates

1:30:50 ↗ so here's a a time uh time in the next

1:30:53 ↗ steps we're at the Green Dot at the very

1:30:55 ↗ beginning I present to you guys uh the

1:30:58 ↗ next step is to present the planning and

1:31:01 ↗ policy commission and then to council

1:31:03 ↗ we'll also be presenting at the same

1:31:05 ↗ time another time the overarching Sewer

1:31:08 ↗ Master Plan with some additional policy

1:31:10 ↗ updates I did not want to combine the

1:31:12 ↗ two because I figured it was too complex

1:31:15 ↗ and I didn't want to add too many policy

1:31:18 ↗ questions to you to you I didn't think

1:31:20 ↗ that was fair and it would be a little

1:31:21 ↗ hard to kind of dive through all of them

1:31:24 ↗ uh as we go through that uh we will then

1:31:27 ↗ present that information to council I

1:31:29 ↗ will go through cepa review which will

1:31:31 ↗ provide a community uh engagement time

1:31:34 ↗ we will formalize our on-site septic

1:31:36 ↗ inspections program present our master

1:31:39 ↗ plan to council and then begin our CIP

1:31:42 ↗ planning process

1:31:44 ↗ and then the community touch points is

1:31:47 ↗ updates to the code and policy that'll

1:31:50 ↗ come in soon as we start to finalize a

1:31:52 ↗ few of these code portions that we still

1:31:54 ↗ have polls uh and those will be provided

1:31:57 ↗ in mailers and a website and then again

1:32:00 ↗ uh once things have kind of been

1:32:03 ↗ fine-tuned and finalized through uh

1:32:06 ↗ boards and commissions and Council uh

1:32:09 ↗ it'll go through sipa uh to to all

1:32:11 ↗ stakeholders and then when the extension

1:32:14 ↗ occurs uh we'll have an open house for

1:32:17 ↗ that neighborhood

1:32:20 ↗ so uh question for you guys is does the

1:32:23 ↗ environmental board agree with the

1:32:25 ↗ following are proactive direction for

1:32:27 ↗ coder Visions uh a more proactive

1:32:29 ↗ approach for on-site subject management

1:32:31 ↗ and proposed policy decisions for

1:32:33 ↗ Steward extension

1:32:36 ↗ that is the end of my very long

1:32:39 ↗ presentation uh if you have questions or

1:32:42 ↗ time to deliberate

1:32:46 ↗ thank you Matt

1:32:48 ↗ Dawn first

1:32:50 ↗ hey Matt Don McQueen was here so a

1:32:52 ↗ couple questions for you

1:32:53 ↗ um the inspections of these OSS is who's

1:32:56 ↗ going to be doing that is that a city

1:32:58 ↗ responsibility or is that going to be

1:33:00 ↗ bound on the homeowner it is been on the

1:33:04 ↗ homeowner we we manage it but it would

1:33:07 ↗ be a on-site septic uh uh a certified uh

1:33:12 ↗ inspector would be doing that that work

1:33:14 ↗ so that's a cost to the homeowner for

1:33:16 ↗ that that is correct and that is

1:33:18 ↗ currently what is required but we

1:33:20 ↗ haven't required it for every septic

1:33:21 ↗ system we are going to do that for

1:33:23 ↗ everyone

1:33:26 ↗ yes and then a clarification on your

1:33:29 ↗ tiered approach you said no new septic

1:33:31 ↗ systems in those areas what if I'm what

1:33:35 ↗ if I'm a big landowner and I'm in inside

1:33:37 ↗ one of those areas and I'm planning to

1:33:39 ↗ build a home in the next 10 years

1:33:41 ↗ and you're not going to get your sewer

1:33:43 ↗ line there for another 40 years with is

1:33:46 ↗ there a meth a means for me to build

1:33:49 ↗ that is a good question that's currently

1:33:50 ↗ what's happening and so that's why we

1:33:52 ↗ want to at least put it on the capital

1:33:54 ↗ Improvement plans so that way we can

1:33:56 ↗ start to move forward with these areas

1:33:59 ↗ that are currently we're uh development

1:34:03 ↗ is currently not occurring and people

1:34:05 ↗ can't remodel their homes so at least

1:34:08 ↗ provides a method uh where there

1:34:10 ↗ currently is not

1:34:12 ↗ okay thank you and then one comment for

1:34:15 ↗ you on your enforcement process I would

1:34:18 ↗ encourage you to use a escalating

1:34:19 ↗ enforcement approach and avoid going to

1:34:22 ↗ a monetary fine at at any cost

1:34:26 ↗ so as long as the the folks are working

1:34:28 ↗ with you guys

1:34:29 ↗ um I'd stay away from issuing fines yeah

1:34:32 ↗ and that's that's typically how King

1:34:34 ↗ County Board of Health or uh Board of

1:34:37 ↗ Health Works and that's typically what

1:34:38 ↗ we would be doing too as long as people

1:34:40 ↗ are communicating with us and making the

1:34:42 ↗ effort that is typically what what we're

1:34:45 ↗ looking for but that's a very good good

1:34:47 ↗ uh

1:34:49 ↗ Thunder

1:34:52 ↗ all right thanks Don I'm going to go to

1:34:55 ↗ Nancy I do see that we have a hand up

1:34:56 ↗ from Laura so I'll probably go to her

1:34:58 ↗ next time we have Tom as well or next

1:35:00 ↗ after Nancy and then Tom Nancy go ahead

1:35:03 ↗ so I have a couple of questions about

1:35:05 ↗ your um funding Alternatives and how

1:35:07 ↗ you're prioritizing your Capital program

1:35:09 ↗ for this so

1:35:11 ↗ are you using the areas with the higher

1:35:14 ↗ higher the whole account where you think

1:35:16 ↗ you might have problems to prioritize uh

1:35:19 ↗ locations for extending sewer are you

1:35:21 ↗ doing it on areas where they're

1:35:22 ↗ requesting it so that they can get their

1:35:24 ↗ homes built or remodel stuff

1:35:27 ↗ I think it's both I think we're gonna

1:35:29 ↗ have to evaluate I I think obviously the

1:35:32 ↗ environment is is the priority here if

1:35:34 ↗ if we are seeing a hot ticket

1:35:37 ↗ um but I mean we're talking about a

1:35:40 ↗ there's not a huge amount of homes in

1:35:43 ↗ these areas I mean we're so if we add

1:35:46 ↗ one or two to the CIP each

1:35:49 ↗ biennium then at least we have the

1:35:51 ↗ process to move these forward

1:35:53 ↗ um so yeah I think the priority is ones

1:35:56 ↗ that we're we're seeing in invalidating

1:35:59 ↗ that there isn't a lot of failure in the

1:36:01 ↗ area and people can't currently utilize

1:36:03 ↗ their homes and then secondary would be

1:36:05 ↗ new development

1:36:08 ↗ okay

1:36:10 ↗ um a question about your funding

1:36:11 ↗ Alternatives and

1:36:14 ↗ um

1:36:15 ↗ you know you have some of these where

1:36:17 ↗ it's funded by city with no

1:36:18 ↗ recuperations have you talked to the

1:36:20 ↗ City attorney about that and potential

1:36:22 ↗ gift of public funds we that's why we're

1:36:25 ↗ we're not we have not evaluated these

1:36:27 ↗ completely these are the options that

1:36:29 ↗ are available to us uh we are discussing

1:36:34 ↗ how to do that to not make the the other

1:36:38 ↗ issue is that we don't want this to be

1:36:39 ↗ uh an issue of proportionality where

1:36:43 ↗ let's say it costs five million dollars

1:36:46 ↗ or some obnoxious amount for just a few

1:36:48 ↗ homes to extend sewers we want to be

1:36:50 ↗ able to provide a reasonable option that

1:36:53 ↗ uh isn't too uh expensive for the

1:36:55 ↗ homeowner but also isn't Gonna Hurt our

1:36:58 ↗ budget either so that's that's kind of

1:37:01 ↗ the next step is to figure out where uh

1:37:03 ↗ where we lie on those those items

1:37:07 ↗ that's why I'm suggesting you might want

1:37:09 ↗ to talk to the City attorney about gifts

1:37:12 ↗ of public funds and how this might apply

1:37:14 ↗ absolutely

1:37:16 ↗ the other question I have for you is you

1:37:19 ↗ know given if it is funded by all the

1:37:21 ↗ right payers in the city or in the case

1:37:23 ↗ of some of these they're located in

1:37:25 ↗ Sammamish Plateau Water and Sewer

1:37:27 ↗ District

1:37:28 ↗ um

1:37:29 ↗ you know don't we have to communicate

1:37:31 ↗ with all the residents that some of our

1:37:32 ↗ right payer numbers since it's impacting

1:37:34 ↗ all of our utility bills along the way

1:37:37 ↗ um if we are now paying for those kinds

1:37:39 ↗ of sewers and areas that are unsured

1:37:42 ↗ valid question yes we would have to

1:37:44 ↗ provide that information to the right

1:37:46 ↗ players um and to the Sammamish Plateau

1:37:48 ↗ item that

1:37:50 ↗ will also be that's a whole uh there's

1:37:53 ↗ not many that are in the Spanish Plateau

1:37:55 ↗ a lot of those are luckily up on the

1:37:57 ↗ hill or they're not in these critical

1:37:59 ↗ areas

1:38:00 ↗ um but they would be that we would not

1:38:02 ↗ be extended sewers into Sammamish

1:38:04 ↗ plateaus service area they they would be

1:38:07 ↗ responsible we would report that they're

1:38:09 ↗ a priority for us to extend but it's up

1:38:11 ↗ to them to figure out a way to do that

1:38:15 ↗ and I guess the last thing is is as

1:38:17 ↗ you're looking at this with the capacity

1:38:19 ↗ charge requirements that go to King

1:38:21 ↗ County which are on the order of I think

1:38:23 ↗ I looked it up today

1:38:25 ↗ um so much a month pretty substantial

1:38:27 ↗ amount 70 a month going to King County

1:38:31 ↗ um are people aware that those costs are

1:38:33 ↗ on top of paying for the capital on the

1:38:35 ↗ side sewer that's required and then also

1:38:37 ↗ the utility rates

1:38:39 ↗ it's pretty substantial it is yes

1:38:43 ↗ awesome okay that's it

1:38:47 ↗ foreign

1:38:54 ↗ okay

1:38:58 ↗ um hello again nice to see you

1:39:01 ↗ um I find this interesting and I kind of

1:39:04 ↗ want to challenge uh your question

1:39:05 ↗ number three about extending sewers

1:39:08 ↗ um the time frame that you're mentioning

1:39:10 ↗ is 10 to 40 years minimum

1:39:13 ↗ um but these are problems are happening

1:39:15 ↗ now and I think it's easy uh in Western

1:39:18 ↗ Society to assume that everything has to

1:39:20 ↗ go through waste but if you're talking

1:39:22 ↗ so much about fecal matter

1:39:25 ↗ um can we look into something more

1:39:27 ↗ unconventional like composting toilets

1:39:30 ↗ where we go around and pick up waste

1:39:32 ↗ from them and you know do like

1:39:33 ↗ formalized processing because I would

1:39:35 ↗ think the processing cost versus the

1:39:38 ↗ water use cost there would be some way

1:39:39 ↗ of working with those homeowners to make

1:39:41 ↗ it in some ways an even power related

1:39:45 ↗ advantages for them to to use different

1:39:48 ↗ types of toilets and at least reduce

1:39:50 ↗ some of that exposure also looking at

1:39:52 ↗ constructed Wetlands or other processes

1:39:54 ↗ it seems like the assumption that water

1:39:57 ↗ digging up the ground using more built

1:39:59 ↗ materials

1:40:00 ↗ the

1:40:02 ↗ letter involved and if we could do some

1:40:05 ↗ kind of pickup I'm curious if you have

1:40:06 ↗ Alternatives that you've looked at I

1:40:07 ↗ know that it's not necessarily something

1:40:09 ↗ done here and the US is often but there

1:40:12 ↗ are plenty of other parts of the world

1:40:14 ↗ who are having to deal with not having

1:40:15 ↗ sewers that have you know processes in

1:40:18 ↗ place

1:40:19 ↗ um so I'd be interested to hear you guys

1:40:22 ↗ look into that more but I think being a

1:40:24 ↗ little unconventional might address some

1:40:25 ↗ of these things sooner

1:40:31 ↗ [Music]

1:40:33 ↗ next oh thank you Tom Anderson here of

1:40:38 ↗ the decision criteria is about whether

1:40:40 ↗ sewer is available it's always with

1:40:42 ↗ respect to 200 feet uh within uh the

1:40:45 ↗ sewer Maine uh what about a neighborhood

1:40:48 ↗ or a portion of a neighborhood that's

1:40:50 ↗ served by a private Forest line is that

1:40:54 ↗ a consideration at all I'm not seeing

1:40:57 ↗ any wording about that sort of

1:40:59 ↗ installation in here uh what are your

1:41:01 ↗ thoughts on that

1:41:02 ↗ yeah that was part of the uh

1:41:06 ↗ looking at different ways of connecting

1:41:09 ↗ stores because right now we probably

1:41:11 ↗ prefer I still prefer gravity systems

1:41:14 ↗ but there are opportunities to look into

1:41:16 ↗ pump systems especially where we have uh

1:41:19 ↗ no uh it's challenging to get gravity in

1:41:23 ↗ in our our valley floor because it's

1:41:25 ↗ very flat there's sometimes obstructions

1:41:27 ↗ uh to get from one point to the other so

1:41:30 ↗ yes we are looking at uh extensions uh

1:41:34 ↗ that doesn't necessarily require a

1:41:37 ↗ gravity sewers it is those things would

1:41:39 ↗ be very expensive

1:41:42 ↗ well so I got there's two parts to my

1:41:44 ↗ question one is do you expect to add

1:41:48 ↗ some Nuance to the rules so that a

1:41:50 ↗ property that is within 200 feet of one

1:41:53 ↗ of those private systems would also be

1:41:56 ↗ required to connect

1:41:57 ↗ versus 200 feet of the public system

1:42:01 ↗ so that's a decision about whether

1:42:03 ↗ they'd be required to connect something

1:42:05 ↗ and then secondly would you

1:42:08 ↗ support systems like that to help reach

1:42:12 ↗ further with the less cost as far as the

1:42:16 ↗ city's infrastructure goes

1:42:18 ↗ so in in your second question yes we

1:42:20 ↗ would we're we are entertaining that and

1:42:23 ↗ trying to figure out the state

1:42:24 ↗ developing the standards to accommodate

1:42:26 ↗ that because there is additional

1:42:28 ↗ challenges and costs uh for those type

1:42:31 ↗ of systems but we are we are definitely

1:42:34 ↗ pursuing that in in cases where we don't

1:42:36 ↗ have any other options and but I do not

1:42:39 ↗ know that I wasn't I'm not sure

1:42:41 ↗ uh how many private systems are in the

1:42:46 ↗ city and whether and how much that would

1:42:48 ↗ impact our residents so I'll have to

1:42:50 ↗ look into that one that's a good

1:42:52 ↗ question

1:42:53 ↗ okay thank you

1:42:56 ↗ Tom uh next to the Anne

1:43:06 ↗ thank you I thought Dawn was going to be

1:43:08 ↗ next I misheard so thank you so much

1:43:11 ↗ this is Ann a great presentation Matt

1:43:14 ↗ and I'm so happy you um you guys are

1:43:17 ↗ looking at doing these changes

1:43:20 ↗ um

1:43:21 ↗ and I'm with Laura um if we're getting

1:43:23 ↗ fecal matter into

1:43:26 ↗ um a salmon bearing Creek and like

1:43:29 ↗ Sammamish which leads out to

1:43:32 ↗ Puget Sound

1:43:34 ↗ um it does make a lot of sense to act as

1:43:37 ↗ quickly as possible and one other thing

1:43:40 ↗ that I thought of that is outside of the

1:43:42 ↗ box that

1:43:44 ↗ could put less pressure on the system

1:43:46 ↗ would be

1:43:49 ↗ um converting

1:43:51 ↗ the gray water into flushing toilets or

1:43:55 ↗ just taking the gray water out as

1:43:57 ↗ irrigation which would both save water

1:44:00 ↗ and then also put less

1:44:03 ↗ um

1:44:05 ↗ less into the system

1:44:11 ↗ thank you

1:44:14 ↗ thank you Anne

1:44:16 ↗ um

1:44:18 ↗ Matt uh this is Jamie Finch um my

1:44:21 ↗ comments would be

1:44:24 ↗ um I think one

1:44:26 ↗ appreciate this approach I think at the

1:44:29 ↗ highest level it makes sense I I really

1:44:32 ↗ do think a lot of the

1:44:35 ↗ more uh

1:44:38 ↗ structured feedback will need to come

1:44:40 ↗ once we actually one have all of the

1:44:42 ↗ readings back from these Creeks I think

1:44:44 ↗ that's ultimately like understanding the

1:44:47 ↗ problem so I feel like that piece will

1:44:49 ↗ definitely be helpful as well as some of

1:44:52 ↗ the things just around costs and our

1:44:54 ↗ proximity of a lot of these properties

1:44:55 ↗ to existing sewer lines and the

1:44:57 ↗ difficulty of getting in there

1:45:00 ↗ um I am curious

1:45:02 ↗ whether we we have this one solution of

1:45:05 ↗ extending sewers to these properties

1:45:07 ↗ whether that's always going to be

1:45:10 ↗ quite an economically like an option

1:45:14 ↗ really in some cases so I do wonder if

1:45:16 ↗ we need to be thinking about some backup

1:45:18 ↗ Solutions I don't know I don't know

1:45:20 ↗ enough to know what those are but I just

1:45:23 ↗ imagine there's going to be certain

1:45:24 ↗ situations where it's just the cost is

1:45:26 ↗ going to be prohibitive

1:45:28 ↗ um and you need to think about how else

1:45:31 ↗ we can support

1:45:32 ↗ those types of properties

1:45:34 ↗ um

1:45:35 ↗ so I think that but I think at the

1:45:37 ↗ highest level as I I'm in support of the

1:45:40 ↗ the direction that this has headed I

1:45:42 ↗ just think a lot of the details around

1:45:44 ↗ cost how those costly born the existing

1:45:47 ↗ fecal content of some of our our streams

1:45:52 ↗ um

1:45:52 ↗ those will be I'm looking forward to

1:45:55 ↗ commenting once we have some of that

1:45:57 ↗ together as I think that'll that'll

1:45:59 ↗ truly be where we have a more fleshed

1:46:01 ↗ out uh plan to

1:46:03 ↗ take a look at

1:46:04 ↗ um

1:46:05 ↗ thank you

1:46:07 ↗ um

1:46:09 ↗ thank you Jenny uh man Cameron Fisher I

1:46:12 ↗ just got into your timing Nick's tips uh

1:46:15 ↗ slide

1:46:18 ↗ um months days years associated with

1:46:21 ↗ that uh that slide that Arrow

1:46:23 ↗ uh so our goal is to get this done in

1:46:26 ↗ this year so this is a a year program

1:46:31 ↗ thank you yep

1:46:36 ↗ and I see you have another question go

1:46:39 ↗ ahead

1:46:43 ↗ thank you

1:46:44 ↗ um and Newcombe again sorry I remembered

1:46:47 ↗ another part that I was going to mention

1:46:48 ↗ so

1:46:49 ↗ I'm just curious

1:46:51 ↗ um

1:46:52 ↗ if you're taking climate change into

1:46:55 ↗ account

1:46:56 ↗ um

1:46:57 ↗ as you're as you're going through this

1:47:01 ↗ because it's changing our water in two

1:47:04 ↗ ways we're going to be having

1:47:06 ↗ less water droughts and then we're going

1:47:09 ↗ to be having a whole bunch of water all

1:47:12 ↗ at once just like it's happening in

1:47:13 ↗ California I'm guessing that's going to

1:47:15 ↗ be happening more and more here

1:47:17 ↗ absolutely yeah so

1:47:21 ↗ um just seems like that would be

1:47:23 ↗ affecting

1:47:25 ↗ this whole system as well it is and

1:47:28 ↗ that's that's part of the reason why we

1:47:29 ↗ want to have this proactive approach of

1:47:31 ↗ of looking at our not our septic systems

1:47:33 ↗ the whole because it gets a little

1:47:35 ↗ complicated and and we get a little lost

1:47:38 ↗ but if we look at just systematically

1:47:40 ↗ looking at the areas where where they're

1:47:42 ↗ going to be the most impacted by

1:47:44 ↗ flooding and these issues that it's a

1:47:47 ↗ lot more reasonable thing to to evaluate

1:47:50 ↗ and and really

1:47:53 ↗ uh complete

1:47:57 ↗ great thank you

1:47:59 ↗ thank you Anne

1:48:01 ↗ all right do we have any other questions

1:48:04 ↗ or comments for Matt at this time

1:48:09 ↗ okay well then I may try to summarize

1:48:13 ↗ we haven't done that for a lot of the

1:48:14 ↗ other sections but I think it might be

1:48:15 ↗ helpful for this one

1:48:17 ↗ um

1:48:18 ↗ I didn't hear any objections to the

1:48:21 ↗ direction of the the city is headed I

1:48:24 ↗ think there's a lot of interest in some

1:48:26 ↗ of the details as well as the timeline

1:48:28 ↗ for this process I think it certainly

1:48:31 ↗ seems to be a topic that the board has a

1:48:34 ↗ lot of interest in

1:48:36 ↗ um in learning more as as the project

1:48:38 ↗ progresses

1:48:40 ↗ um so yeah I think that but in general

1:48:43 ↗ didn't sense any negative sentiment and

1:48:45 ↗ some positive sentiment to the direction

1:48:47 ↗ that the city is taking with the current

1:48:51 ↗ process

1:48:53 ↗ any comments or amendments to that

1:48:59 ↗ right I would just add that I did hear

1:49:01 ↗ that um the board's asking for you guys

1:49:04 ↗ to look for alternate options as well to

1:49:07 ↗ traditional

1:49:09 ↗ gravity systems or supports tour systems

1:49:11 ↗ in general yeah thank you Don that's a

1:49:13 ↗ great thought

1:49:15 ↗ our rights I think with that then thank

1:49:17 ↗ you very much Matt um I think that's uh

1:49:20 ↗ unless there's anything else you had or

1:49:22 ↗ needed from this

1:49:24 ↗ um

1:49:26 ↗ I think we're all squared away we can't

1:49:29 ↗ see your email oh sorry about that I

1:49:32 ↗ gotta stop Sherry there we go

1:49:37 ↗ all right well with that then I will go

1:49:40 ↗ to reports which I think Stacy has some

1:49:43 ↗ updates for us

1:49:45 ↗ um yeah just a couple of updates

1:49:48 ↗ announcements one thing I neglected to

1:49:51 ↗ share at the beginning of the meeting as

1:49:53 ↗ we did put I don't have one but on that

1:49:56 ↗ that's okay on the underside of your

1:49:58 ↗ name card we put a little cheat sheet

1:50:00 ↗ for voting it's a pretty formal Province

1:50:04 ↗ rule so we may want to amend that over

1:50:06 ↗ time as we put into practice

1:50:09 ↗ um we could have used that earlier today

1:50:10 ↗ but we do anticipate having some

1:50:13 ↗ policies even next meeting with the

1:50:17 ↗ um the letter to council coming before

1:50:19 ↗ you all just wanted to give you a little

1:50:21 ↗ bit of a cheat sheet on that process

1:50:25 ↗ and then just run through a few updates

1:50:28 ↗ Capital Improvement plan we the staff

1:50:32 ↗ have a proposed process and I'm lying

1:50:35 ↗ for our two-year update of the six-year

1:50:38 ↗ plan which is happening this year and

1:50:40 ↗ also encompasses the tip

1:50:44 ↗ there are some internal and Council

1:50:47 ↗ discussions happening right now to

1:50:49 ↗ formalize that process and timeline but

1:50:52 ↗ do expect that the board will be engaged

1:50:54 ↗ multiple times over the spring I've put

1:50:57 ↗ a few a placeholder on your calendar for

1:51:00 ↗ potential event in February um I will

1:51:04 ↗ confirm that over the coming weeks and

1:51:06 ↗ update your calendars accordingly as

1:51:10 ↗ well as keep you updated on the process

1:51:11 ↗ for the ucip

1:51:15 ↗ I just wanted to make sure you all aware

1:51:18 ↗ that we've been working with a couple of

1:51:19 ↗ student interns from Gibson egg was

1:51:22 ↗ hoping at some point they can come and

1:51:24 ↗ present to you all that our agendas are

1:51:26 ↗ getting very very full that we'll try

1:51:28 ↗ and make that

1:51:30 ↗ year I wanted to just highlight a few

1:51:33 ↗ things that they've been working on

1:51:35 ↗ they developed a curriculum around green

1:51:38 ↗ homes for elementary age children as a

1:51:41 ↗ way to engage students in the climate

1:51:43 ↗ action Challenge and then have that

1:51:46 ↗ information taken home to parents and

1:51:49 ↗ Guardians they're working with a teacher

1:51:51 ↗ at ibe to hopefully get into the

1:51:53 ↗ classroom this spring and present the

1:51:55 ↗ curriculum to the students and test it

1:51:58 ↗ out with the teacher

1:51:59 ↗ they've also been doing some research

1:52:01 ↗ research on keep home campaigns around

1:52:03 ↗ the country

1:52:05 ↗ um as well as Canada to help us figure

1:52:07 ↗ out ways to kind of spruce up our

1:52:10 ↗ marketing

1:52:11 ↗ they're organizing and hosting a youth

1:52:13 ↗ workshop on climate vulnerability we

1:52:16 ↗ held a training

1:52:18 ↗ with the student rotary group on Monday

1:52:20 ↗ to prepare those students for running a

1:52:23 ↗ workshop at the garage later this month

1:52:25 ↗ that will be a opportunity to talk with

1:52:28 ↗ the youth about what actions they think

1:52:31 ↗ the city and Community should be taking

1:52:32 ↗ around climate preparedness

1:52:35 ↗ and then the other main project they're

1:52:38 ↗ working on is helping to coordinate uh

1:52:40 ↗ sustainability there which I think I

1:52:42 ↗ mentioned at previous meetings where

1:52:44 ↗ you're planning to host um in April at

1:52:46 ↗ the green barn the Gibson X students

1:52:49 ↗ will be really thinking around uh

1:52:51 ↗ helping with the marketing as well as

1:52:53 ↗ under

1:52:54 ↗ it's a lot of really cool stuff they're

1:52:56 ↗ working on really great students and

1:52:58 ↗ hope that you all have a chance to meet

1:53:00 ↗ them at upcoming meeting

1:53:03 ↗ um another update I wanted to mention is

1:53:06 ↗ that the city was successful in

1:53:09 ↗ partnership with other Eastside cities

1:53:11 ↗ on a community Energy Efficiency program

1:53:13 ↗ to expand our heat pump program that

1:53:17 ↗ will provide free installs for a limited

1:53:19 ↗ number of low-income households continue

1:53:22 ↗ our work with affordable housing and

1:53:24 ↗ then also to offer some market rate

1:53:26 ↗ incentives

1:53:28 ↗ um we are planning to launch that

1:53:30 ↗ component of the program by March we

1:53:33 ↗ also just applied for another Grant with

1:53:35 ↗ the East Side cities that would expand

1:53:38 ↗ upon all of those items as well as add a

1:53:40 ↗ Workforce Development component we're

1:53:43 ↗ going to start adding in Workforce

1:53:45 ↗ Development to pretty much every Grant

1:53:46 ↗ we're applying for

1:53:48 ↗ um just recognizing that we need to

1:53:50 ↗ really build the Workhorse for HVAC and

1:53:53 ↗ renewable energy

1:53:55 ↗ next update is the interlocal agreement

1:53:58 ↗ with the Eastside climate partnership

1:54:00 ↗ has been approved by four of the five

1:54:03 ↗ cities it will go to Kirkland city

1:54:05 ↗ council I believe next week

1:54:08 ↗ um and then that will it is already in

1:54:10 ↗ effect with signatures of Two Cities but

1:54:12 ↗ will be fully ineffective level five

1:54:15 ↗ cities um

1:54:16 ↗ within the coming weeks that's the

1:54:19 ↗ interlocal agreement that allows us to

1:54:21 ↗ more closely share resources we're going

1:54:23 ↗ to bring on a shared staff person that

1:54:25 ↗ will sit at Bellevue to help run a lot

1:54:28 ↗ of these programs that we're

1:54:29 ↗ coordinating on

1:54:30 ↗ um also just makes it easier for us to

1:54:32 ↗ manage contracts together go after

1:54:34 ↗ grants together

1:54:38 ↗ um January 30th we are hosting a

1:54:42 ↗ sustainability open house with the mayor

1:54:45 ↗ I mentioned this at the December meeting

1:54:48 ↗ um we are going to have that at Gibson

1:54:50 ↗ Hall from 6 30 to 8 PM we are planning

1:54:53 ↗ to have some very brief presentations

1:54:56 ↗ from staff and the mayor I think people

1:55:00 ↗ kind of action we'll make some remarks

1:55:02 ↗ we'd also like to have a member or

1:55:05 ↗ members of the environmental board do

1:55:07 ↗ some opening remarks and possibly

1:55:09 ↗ introduce the mayor to share with the

1:55:12 ↗ community who you all are what you do

1:55:15 ↗ what you're planning to work on this

1:55:16 ↗ year

1:55:18 ↗ um we're also going to have some tables

1:55:20 ↗ set up at the event and do kind of a

1:55:23 ↗ call to action for the last half hour so

1:55:25 ↗ ask attendees to sign up for a campaign

1:55:28 ↗ or sign up to volunteer on one of our

1:55:30 ↗ programs or

1:55:33 ↗ bring in items for recall hard to

1:55:35 ↗ recycle items to for Recology

1:55:38 ↗ so just wanted to get a quick show of

1:55:42 ↗ hands and I'll also send out an email

1:55:43 ↗ about this but see who is interested

1:55:46 ↗ available to participate on January 30th

1:55:50 ↗ if necessary if one probably you'll be

1:55:53 ↗ there we'll have a special meeting

1:55:55 ↗ but would love to have some

1:55:57 ↗ representation from the environmental

1:55:58 ↗ board as well as a speaker from the

1:56:01 ↗ board to share some remarks so just it

1:56:05 ↗ observe time

1:56:09 ↗ the program

1:56:12 ↗ um or actually 6 30 to about uh 7 15 and

1:56:16 ↗ then we'll have some q a and then do

1:56:18 ↗ that kind of call to action and to

1:56:21 ↗ mingling

1:56:22 ↗ um after that

1:56:23 ↗ I will say we don't know if we're gonna

1:56:24 ↗ get five people showing up or we'll pack

1:56:27 ↗ up

1:56:28 ↗ to have hard to to tell how much the

1:56:30 ↗ community might come out

1:56:32 ↗ but sustainability will gain a lot of

1:56:34 ↗ traction how is it being that is there

1:56:37 ↗ like a much of a comms plan or kind of

1:56:39 ↗ the

1:56:41 ↗ what's that aspect of it we'll be doing

1:56:43 ↗ through most of the city's regular

1:56:46 ↗ channels The Insider

1:56:48 ↗ um probably the note from the mayor is

1:56:50 ↗ her event

1:56:51 ↗ um social media but also uh would look

1:56:56 ↗ to you all to promote and send it out to

1:56:58 ↗ PCA and through the the trails Club so

1:57:02 ↗ we'll send it out through quite a few

1:57:04 ↗ Avenues

1:57:07 ↗ General potentially interested if you're

1:57:10 ↗ available just a quick show of hand so I

1:57:13 ↗ can see

1:57:14 ↗ I need to make it a special meeting

1:57:18 ↗ and I'll send out a

1:57:20 ↗ email about this solicitation okay great

1:57:27 ↗ um oh and I should mention we've had

1:57:29 ↗ some conversation about whether or not

1:57:31 ↗ it would be a hybrid virtual event I

1:57:33 ↗ think that'll be a challenge for this

1:57:35 ↗ type of event because we are planning

1:57:38 ↗ so that it would be available for the

1:57:40 ↗ community members to do after

1:57:44 ↗ um last thing I'll just mention is the

1:57:48 ↗ schedule

1:57:49 ↗ updates as we've discussed February 1st

1:57:53 ↗ will be a special meeting we've moved up

1:57:55 ↗ our regular meeting by one week to

1:57:57 ↗ accommodate the title 18

1:57:59 ↗ um schedule we'll be really focused on

1:58:01 ↗ that meeting on finalizing a letter that

1:58:05 ↗ I can submit to council the next day

1:58:07 ↗ hopefully

1:58:08 ↗ um

1:58:09 ↗ we have a lot of other potential items

1:58:12 ↗ for that meeting that we might turn into

1:58:14 ↗ written reports or maybe just have

1:58:17 ↗ another small agenda item because I

1:58:19 ↗ think we're going to really want to

1:58:20 ↗ focus

1:58:21 ↗ ing

1:58:23 ↗ um so we'll adjust that schedule as

1:58:25 ↗ needed and then you do have a tentative

1:58:28 ↗ hold on your calendars for February 16th

1:58:31 ↗ another special meeting that would be a

1:58:33 ↗ CIP Summit but I will let you know as

1:58:37 ↗ soon as that is confirmed one way or the

1:58:39 ↗ other so potentially two special

1:58:41 ↗ meetings in February no regular meeting

1:58:44 ↗ on the 8th

1:58:47 ↗ um

1:58:47 ↗ those are the main highlights I think

1:58:50 ↗ for the gender chain agenda updates

1:58:53 ↗ um we have a lot a lot and lots so we're

1:58:57 ↗ going to just continue to kind of adjust

1:58:58 ↗ things and then I might move items just

1:59:00 ↗ into written reports

1:59:03 ↗ um just to kind of make sure we can

1:59:05 ↗ cover everything that we've identified

1:59:07 ↗ as a hurry for this year

1:59:10 ↗ those are my updates

1:59:12 ↗ thank you Stacey Denny and I don't know

1:59:16 ↗ if you're planning on saying a separate

1:59:17 ↗ email but any more guidance that you

1:59:20 ↗ want to provide now for the title 18

1:59:22 ↗ comments the important I think it's the

1:59:24 ↗ 24th but yeah right

1:59:28 ↗ um I think this was really the

1:59:29 ↗ suggestion of Stephen at the last

1:59:31 ↗ meeting was coming to that meeting with

1:59:34 ↗ a draft letter so if you all can just

1:59:37 ↗ think about that as you're preparing

1:59:39 ↗ your comments

1:59:40 ↗ um to send to me um so that I can kind

1:59:44 ↗ of drop them into a draft letter uh so I

1:59:47 ↗ don't just to keep that in mind that our

1:59:49 ↗ goal is to have a

1:59:50 ↗ temperature or making some minor or

1:59:52 ↗ visions figuring out who agrees with

1:59:54 ↗ what sections are there areas that

1:59:56 ↗ there's consensus agreement are there

1:59:58 ↗ are areas that we might want to describe

2:00:00 ↗ that members of the board have differing

2:00:02 ↗ opinions

2:00:04 ↗ um maybe taking a look back at the

2:00:06 ↗ December meeting packet that included

2:00:09 ↗ some of our previous letters to council

2:00:11 ↗ and just how those were structured and

2:00:13 ↗ Council

2:00:15 ↗ um found that was fairly easy to follow

2:00:17 ↗ so

2:00:18 ↗ that's I don't have any other specific

2:00:20 ↗ guidance but can also

2:00:22 ↗ um check in with Jamie and Don see if

2:00:24 ↗ there's any if folks need some further

2:00:26 ↗ Direction but to be clear you like

2:00:29 ↗ people will submit their comments and

2:00:30 ↗ then it'll be kind of your job to

2:00:32 ↗ synthesize that into a letter

2:00:34 ↗ so it's not like they need to follow

2:00:35 ↗ that letter necessarily with their

2:00:38 ↗ comments but it's their comments

2:00:40 ↗ hopefully should fit into that sort of

2:00:42 ↗ format yes so as much as you can write

2:00:45 ↗ out the comments as the way you would

2:00:48 ↗ want it presented to council compared to

2:00:50 ↗ just saying well I have I have concerns

2:00:52 ↗ about this section

2:00:54 ↗ um I think as much as you can write it

2:00:56 ↗ in the language that would go into a

2:00:58 ↗ letter to council the faster I can turn

2:00:59 ↗ it around

2:01:00 ↗ the office

2:01:03 ↗ um all right well I think with that

2:01:06 ↗ um

2:01:07 ↗ well the reports are complete and then

2:01:10 ↗ is there any other business

2:01:11 ↗ announcements from any from Stacy or any

2:01:14 ↗ report members

2:01:18 ↗ um all right well I think that we're

2:01:19 ↗ adjourned then thanks everyone

2:01:28 ↗ have a good night

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