Development Commission · Wednesday, November 20, 2019 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

packet pp.3

Previously discussed: Development Commission · May 1, 2019

Open packet at p.3 ↗

Staff report:

Development Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission reviews all land Lucy Sloman, use actions requiring a Level 3 review. The Land Development Manager Commission further serves as an advisory board Email to the City Council on land use actions requiring council approval (Level 5 review). Regular Members 2020 – Melvin Morgan The appearance of fairness doctrine prohibits 2020 – Kevin Price Development Commission members and City 2022 – Michael Brennan Council members from discussing the merit of 2022 – Richard Sowa specific land use development applications outside 2022 – Richard Sanford of the formal public meeting process. Citizens, 2023 – Brooke Shore however, may discuss any issue with the City's 2023 – Ben Rush Development Services Department. Written comments are also welcome. Alternate Members 2020 – Mark Rigos Membership 2020 – Nischitha Venkatesh The…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of October 2, 2019

packet pp.5–13

Previously discussed: Development Commission · May 1, 2019

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 10-2-19 Development Commission Minutes Page [0000]

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Development Commission (DC) Get Acquainted Event, (D) structure of the City after, and at the DC

Lucy Sloman, Land Development Manager

5. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

The next meeting is scheduled for December 4, 2019 at 7:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers, 135 E. Sunset Way

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0:13 ↗ you

0:37 ↗ so I it is 703 and I'll call the meeting

0:41 ↗ to order we do have one official one

0:47 ↗ real official thing we have to do is to

0:49 ↗ approve the minutes of October 7th and

0:51 ↗ I'm a second I apologize so I'm just

0:54 ↗ making the assumption that you've all

0:55 ↗ had a chance to read them does anybody

0:57 ↗ have been a corrections or changes that

0:59 ↗ they'd like to see so here so I guess we

1:05 ↗ need a motion to approve the minutes we

1:06 ↗ don't I'll make by consensus will

1:09 ↗ approve the minutes of October 2nd and

1:12 ↗ what's her in the time or he Lucy ok so

1:16 ↗ I think most if not all of you know that

1:22 ↗ there was this desire to do some

1:27 ↗ team-building getting all longtime

1:30 ↗ members not old members longtime members

1:32 ↗ and newer members wanted to sort of have

1:36 ↗ an opportunity to talk get to know each

1:40 ↗ other share some of their experiences

1:43 ↗ talk about some of the processes and

1:46 ↗ just be more prepared for things that

1:50 ↗ are coming which is great because we

1:51 ↗ have permits coming to you on December

1:54 ↗ 4th and 18th and maybe at the end of the

1:57 ↗ meeting I'll tell you about what those

1:59 ↗ are so Mel and Richard had provided some

2:05 ↗ ideas to me I assumed that was from some

2:08 ↗ of the discussions with you guys and so

2:12 ↗ it's meant to be casual

2:14 ↗ we'll do some go through some the

2:19 ↗ various I think six topics that are on

2:22 ↗ the agenda actually why don't I just

2:25 ↗ because I'm gonna make the agenda

2:27 ↗ disappear here in a second when I go to

2:29 ↗ a PowerPoint so just share that and you

2:35 ↗ know I I don't have much to present I

2:39 ↗ just have some

2:40 ↗ I also have some of the slides that we

2:42 ↗ used at the May meeting when we did the

2:44 ↗ training because I think having an

2:46 ↗ opportunity to talk a little more where

2:48 ↗ it's a little less full agenda may be a

2:51 ↗ good opportunity to you know grow our

2:57 ↗ understanding of how things work and I

3:03 ↗ am using new technology

3:12 ↗ okay so I think the first order of

3:19 ↗ business was introductions I put some

3:22 ↗ suggestions and they are absolutely

3:25 ↗ suggestions I won't ask you any more

3:28 ↗ questions if you don't answer them all

3:33 ↗ some of the icebreakers we use at work

3:36 ↗ so just tell us something about yourself

3:40 ↗ is the last one and and I'll just go

3:43 ↗ first since I had an opportunity to

3:45 ↗ think about this and you haven't

3:47 ↗ so Lucy Sloman I have never lived in the

3:50 ↗ city that is my some of us various

3:54 ↗ planners have different preferences my

3:56 ↗ preference is not to live in the city

3:58 ↗ where I work because just going into PCC

4:01 ↗ in the morning I run into plenty of

4:04 ↗ people who like to tell me their

4:05 ↗ thoughts that's right I've had friendly

4:10 ↗ encounters such as that one I've had

4:12 ↗ unfriendly encounters as well so I have

4:18 ↗ been a liaison to DC just for a few

4:21 ↗ years I have been working with the city

4:25 ↗ for like almost 24 years but I've only

4:30 ↗ been an employee for about eight for a

4:35 ↗ long time there was the major

4:36 ↗ development review team that specialized

4:38 ↗ in the urban villages and I was it was

4:42 ↗ almost all consultants and so I was a

4:45 ↗ consulting planner to the MDRT and then

4:50 ↗ when they incorporated the MDRT in and

4:55 ↗ created the development services

4:57 ↗ department they Keith had been Nevin had

5:03 ↗ been promoted to economic development

5:04 ↗ director and I was made land development

5:08 ↗ manager it had you worked for a city

5:11 ↗ before so as a consultant it's kind of

5:15 ↗ interesting because I've done almost

5:16 ↗ always done long-range planning

5:19 ↗ I'd done like nine comp plans in as many

5:23 ↗ years and I thought I never want to see

5:24 ↗ another comp plan if I can help it

5:27 ↗ I really was more interested in kind of

5:29 ↗ urban design and current planning and so

5:32 ↗ we had provided staff services to a lot

5:35 ↗ of cities so I traveled you know Blaine

5:39 ↗ Camus Marysville Mount Vernon East

5:42 ↗ Wenatchee all kinds of cities through

5:44 ↗ mostly in western Washington and got to

5:48 ↗ know them work with their planning

5:49 ↗ department it was just around the time

5:51 ↗ that growth management was starting and

5:53 ↗ before growth management you know there

5:56 ↗ were a lot of planning directors who

5:57 ↗ might never do a complan in their entire

5:59 ↗ career and so especially at small towns

6:03 ↗ they didn't have the bandwidth there

6:05 ↗ might be two or three people in the

6:06 ↗ department and so they would hire us and

6:09 ↗ we would work really closely with them I

6:11 ↗ had to read the local newspaper which

6:13 ↗ was great you know I hadn't lived in

6:15 ↗ Washington that long and so I learned a

6:17 ↗ lot about Washington through doing that

6:20 ↗ it was really nice yeah and I just

6:21 ↗ always liked being in small towns the

6:26 ↗ ones that I mentioned like Marysville

6:29 ↗ Mount Vernon chemist's Blaine from one

6:32 ↗ border to the other but in Marysville

6:37 ↗ they actually went through for planning

6:40 ↗ directors in a year or so and so I was

6:42 ↗ the constant so anyway where did you

6:47 ↗ study planning so I have my

6:52 ↗ undergraduate degree was an independent

6:54 ↗ study in architecture at Connecticut

6:56 ↗ College grew up in Dallas my parents

7:00 ↗ wanted to get me out of Texas and

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7:05 ↗ and that I know well they took me kind

7:08 ↗ of they just they both grew up in other

7:11 ↗ parts of the country so they really

7:12 ↗ liked they believed in that they just

7:14 ↗ assumed I'd come home to Texas and then

7:17 ↗ I wanted to just study architecture for

7:19 ↗ grad school and so I look you know I

7:22 ↗ applied in the Northeast and out here

7:25 ↗ and I just thought you know I'll never

7:27 ↗ afford to live anywhere I want to in

7:29 ↗ Boston or New York or Philadelphia

7:31 ↗ there's such expensive cities so at the

7:34 ↗ time Seattle was not the most expensive

7:36 ↗ city in the United States if I can moved

7:39 ↗ here in 1980 so I've been here really

7:43 ↗ long to go to grad school then to go to

7:45 ↗ UW and I got my master's in architecture

7:47 ↗ and then but my last my poor parents my

7:53 ↗ last year in grad school I went to study

7:56 ↗ on the UW's architecture and Rome

7:58 ↗ program and I realized that Ross I'm

8:00 ↗ really interested in buildings that was

8:02 ↗ really interested in cities so I did my

8:04 ↗ thesis Kevin Kevin knows exactly what

8:07 ↗ I'm talking about I did my thesis on the

8:11 ↗ UW's campus in downtown Seattle and so I

8:14 ↗ just sort of used my thesis as a way to

8:18 ↗ read and study all the things that I

8:20 ↗ would have done if I was doing the

8:21 ↗ planning degree and I mean given what we

8:25 ↗ do and you know how architectural II

8:27 ↗ oriented we are in the city it's been

8:29 ↗ really useful to have an architecture

8:30 ↗ degree you know Lucy um during your time

8:34 ↗ in high school I'm curious if planning

8:37 ↗ is something you've always thought about

8:38 ↗ prior to college or that just happened

8:42 ↗ and you transitioned into it boy you

8:45 ↗ guys are getting the whole story so in

8:48 ↗ what's good I thought I was gonna be an

8:51 ↗ archaeologist and then I went and

8:54 ↗ there's a sort of testing thing called

8:57 ↗ Johnson O'Connor there's one here and

9:00 ↗ when I did it they said I was too

9:03 ↗ extroverted to be a archaeologist that

9:05 ↗ someone would walk by and I'd look up

9:07 ↗ and break you know

9:08 ↗ so I went off to college thinking I was

9:13 ↗ going to be a physics major and but

9:18 ↗ double integration blew up my brain and

9:20 ↗ I just said I don't think so

9:21 ↗ and then I did art and then I landed on

9:25 ↗ architecture which was sort of a nice

9:27 ↗ marrying of the two I'll just follow the

9:40 ↗ form to start and we'll see where it

9:43 ↗ goes

9:43 ↗ name is Ben Rusch I've lived in Issaquah

9:47 ↗ since 2007 which would be 12 years town

9:50 ↗ been on the dc4 I know here somewhere

9:56 ↗ their previous to that I was on the UBC

9:58 ↗ which was the evolution of the MDRT

10:01 ↗ am I right about that you were the

10:03 ↗ commission that served with thee that

10:05 ↗ served the projects from the MDRT you're

10:07 ↗ right okay and that was I think I was

10:11 ↗ only about a year and a half before that

10:13 ↗ of dissolving and kind of rolling into

10:16 ↗ this I also delivered the

10:21 ↗ Highlands so I've started with

10:22 ↗ volunteering by being talked into

10:26 ↗ working with the architectural review

10:28 ↗ committee eventually because we didn't

10:31 ↗ have anybody else to do it they put me

10:33 ↗ as the chair I ended up turning that

10:35 ↗ over just a couple of months ago after

10:36 ↗ nine years

10:38 ↗ and in the meantime I'm also on the

10:42 ↗ board of directors for violence fact I

10:45 ↗ just left there that hour ago so I've

10:49 ↗ got a few things that I do but what I'd

10:50 ↗ really liked it

10:51 ↗ with that this has been a good

10:53 ↗ beneficial thing for me is you start

10:55 ↗ from something very small like

10:57 ↗ Architectural Review where you're

10:58 ↗ looking at a front door color up to

11:00 ↗ something very large like an entire city

11:02 ↗ and how it operates and everything in

11:04 ↗ between that's it's pretty interesting

11:06 ↗ for me I mean between the architectural

11:09 ↗ aspect to a neighborhood to the finances

11:12 ↗ of a neighborhood to how the city is

11:14 ↗ planned how it works you know there is

11:17 ↗ some commonality but there also is a lot

11:18 ↗ that is different between them and you

11:21 ↗ do pick up quite a bit so I find it

11:24 ↗ interesting I guess that's how we get

11:27 ↗ started volunteering with it hobbies I

11:31 ↗ have three young children and two dogs

11:32 ↗ so I chase them around and make sure

11:38 ↗ they are okay so but that's really why

11:44 ↗ I'm here then I ran into you at these

11:48 ↗ pizza not too long ago is that your

11:50 ↗ favorite pizza location that's Ennis but

11:53 ↗ yeah it's called sorry it's an easy one

11:55 ↗ to walk down to and and works as an

11:58 ↗ office sometimes when the kids get too

12:00 ↗ loud so so you work at home I do yeah

12:05 ↗ working on my house and that's worked

12:08 ↗ out pretty well that we looked at

12:10 ↗ originally when I moved to the area I

12:12 ↗ moved from Portland Oregon and

12:15 ↗ originally to Bellevue rent an apartment

12:17 ↗ and kind of thinking okay it's central I

12:20 ↗ this is easy to get where I need to go

12:22 ↗ and then started looking north and south

12:26 ↗ and you know 405 north and south was was

12:29 ↗ and still is kind of tough in the

12:31 ↗ morning in the evening for commutes and

12:33 ↗ so this made a lot of sense to me for

12:35 ↗ some reason big big open highway that

12:37 ↗ went straight out and never seemed to

12:39 ↗ have too much traffic and well it's

12:42 ↗ increased over the years as it's still

12:43 ↗ manageable than other areas that I go to

12:45 ↗ they're just difficult to get in and out

12:47 ↗ of so yeah so Ben tell I'd ask that you

12:52 ↗ tell them what you do because I think a

12:54 ↗ lot of them would be interested so I'm a

12:59 ↗ manufacturer's rep in the construction

13:00 ↗ industry

13:01 ↗ so I actually work with probably 80% of

13:04 ↗ what I work with this mechanical

13:06 ↗ engineers so it's working with them on

13:09 ↗ behalf of manufacturers that I work with

13:10 ↗ and educating them my product you know

13:13 ↗ they know a lot more about the whole

13:15 ↗ picture than I do but I tend to have a

13:17 ↗ very specific look at what I'm talking

13:19 ↗ about and it works out well for the two

13:21 ↗ of us so a lot of it is computer and

13:25 ↗ screen time but a lot of it else was

13:26 ↗ face to face and going and seeing people

13:28 ↗ and working through projects and it's

13:32 ↗ kind of the same thing really small

13:33 ↗ projects and I get really big ones

13:35 ↗ downtown you know why much more complex

13:38 ↗ so

13:45 ↗ hello my name is Arthur Schulte I

13:50 ↗ volunteered on the development

13:51 ↗ Commission since beginning of 2019 so

13:54 ↗ moved to istic law last summer from

13:57 ↗ Redmond I've been in the the greater

13:59 ↗ Seattle area for about 22 years really

14:03 ↗ enjoying it

14:04 ↗ you know I joined the board you know

14:06 ↗ really to be involved with the community

14:07 ↗ and trying to help shape the direction

14:10 ↗ we're headed you know everything from

14:13 ↗ transportation to utilizing my expertise

14:18 ↗ in architecture and knowledge to you

14:20 ↗ know help shape the cities and help get

14:23 ↗ its moving on a good path and continue

14:25 ↗ keeping us moving on a good path and you

14:27 ↗ know obviously we're seeing a lot of

14:28 ↗ growth in the greater Seattle area and

14:31 ↗ and all of that is expanding you know

14:34 ↗ towards the east side and with the

14:36 ↗ introduction of the light rail in the

14:37 ↗ future you know that's gonna play a big

14:39 ↗ role and you know how that shapes

14:41 ↗ Issaquah as well as Sammamish in the

14:44 ↗ surrounding areas

14:46 ↗ by day I'm a project manager at mg2

14:50 ↗ architecture firm downtown right near

14:53 ↗ the ferris wheel and then by night I am

14:56 ↗ an adjunct professor at Lake Washington

14:59 ↗ Institute of Technology

15:00 ↗ so I teach architecture there so that's

15:03 ↗ Tuesday and Thursday evenings for me

15:07 ↗ this is my schedule just regular time

15:13 ↗ I'm committed I want to be here with you

15:15 ↗ guys so I talked Administration and

15:18 ↗ changing my schedule around so so far

15:20 ↗ it's working out well so we work on all

15:24 ↗ sorts of different projects mg2 actually

15:27 ↗ is doing the Costco headquarters in

15:30 ↗ Issaquah so I joined

15:34 ↗ absently after that's been kind of going

15:36 ↗ through design reviews so I haven't had

15:39 ↗ really barely any involvement on the

15:41 ↗ project but it's been exciting to see

15:43 ↗ that evolve over the years so right now

15:47 ↗ I'm a lot of mixed use development

15:49 ↗ multifamily we've got several high-rise

15:52 ↗ projects we're working on in Seattle but

15:56 ↗ education is important part of my life

15:59 ↗ and so inspiring the next generation of

16:02 ↗ architects and students I enjoy that so

16:05 ↗ you know translating and sharing what I

16:10 ↗ learned in the office with my students

16:12 ↗ that brings a lot of fulfillment to me

16:15 ↗ and you know I can see myself doing that

16:18 ↗ for a long time and let's see here

16:24 ↗ hobbies hobbies include various

16:28 ↗ watersports paddle boarding one Lake

16:30 ↗ Sammamish biking walking running I'd

16:35 ↗ like to get into kite surfing eventually

16:37 ↗ and you know utilize wind power to get

16:40 ↗ moo-ving on the water hiking as well

16:45 ↗ let's see first job I actually worked at

16:49 ↗ the the Chevrolet dealership here in

16:52 ↗ Issaquah so that was that was my first

16:54 ↗ job I worked in their service department

16:57 ↗ after that I started selling pawned

17:00 ↗ equipment I was upon sales sales guys if

17:04 ↗ I would I would pressure my customers to

17:07 ↗ buy pumps and implants and and fish and

17:11 ↗ of course with good intentions but and I

17:16 ↗ transitioned into architecture I've been

17:18 ↗ in the architecture for about eight

17:19 ↗ years in the industry and I'm excited to

17:24 ↗ see where the future takes me I lately

17:27 ↗ I've been getting interested in real

17:28 ↗ estate development and so but but I

17:32 ↗ definitely can see myself staying on the

17:34 ↗ commission for for a while I really

17:38 ↗ enjoy you know so far working with you

17:40 ↗ guys and learning from you guys and

17:42 ↗ picking up the ins and outs and so I

17:45 ↗ appreciate the opportunity I yes on some

17:52 ↗ projects but he manages a lot of the

17:54 ↗ high-rise projects I'm mostly focused

17:56 ↗ when mixed-use kind of the mid-rise

17:58 ↗ projects with the occasional help on the

18:00 ↗ high-rise projects but he sits right

18:02 ↗ across from the summit didn't he in the

18:04 ↗ right he was my next-door neighbor no

18:06 ↗ yeah I moved into a house in Maple Leaf

18:09 ↗ and moved in next to Ted I think he was

18:11 ↗ happy when I okay

18:13 ↗ yeah yeah bonus projects and stuffs well

18:16 ↗ it's one of the things I appreciate

18:17 ↗ about the industry in general and the

18:20 ↗ planning and the architecture it is a

18:22 ↗ small small world so it's it's amazing

18:25 ↗ who you run into from time to time you

18:28 ↗ miss turtle and we said midwives you

18:29 ↗ mean like the five over two yeah yeah

18:31 ↗ exactly frames in any of the is its ELT

18:35 ↗ the cross laminated timber you know we

18:39 ↗ are there's a couple of projects coming

18:41 ↗ across our desk that we're looking at

18:44 ↗ potentially going after we're still

18:48 ↗ building that expertise in the office

18:50 ↗ right now so we're looking at some

18:53 ↗ conventions that we want to attend and

18:54 ↗ get a little bit more involved with that

18:56 ↗ so I definitely see more integration of

19:00 ↗ that in the future projects so we have

19:03 ↗ our first building and that we're

19:05 ↗ reviewing it's a rally office building

19:09 ↗ and it kind of blew up everyone's brain

19:12 ↗ when it came in for all the reasons

19:13 ↗ you're saying and you know there's it's

19:16 ↗ a trying to figure out you know how do

19:19 ↗ you review it have you inspected you

19:21 ↗ know a lot of it isn't in the code in

19:24 ↗ the same way that other materials are

19:26 ↗ okay so is there a 30 second view of

19:30 ↗ what that is

19:32 ↗ well cross laminated timber is

19:34 ↗ essentially a

19:35 ↗ timber framing product that you know

19:38 ↗ when you look at a lot of these projects

19:40 ↗ you see this very open concept look and

19:45 ↗ feel it's a different look altogether

19:47 ↗ aesthetically you know you'll look at

19:50 ↗ projects that are kind of open have like

19:54 ↗ an open industrial look to them where

19:55 ↗ you see the exposed Steel's and exposed

19:58 ↗ ducting so if you envision that and

20:01 ↗ replace that you know with your a would

20:03 ↗ look essentially that's kind of what

20:07 ↗ what you see maybe if you look at some

20:09 ↗ of the cladding here and imagine that on

20:13 ↗ ceilings beams different shades and you

20:17 ↗ get that kind of look taller you can go

20:23 ↗ taller right yes because I remember when

20:25 ↗ we were doing the central Issaquah plan

20:28 ↗ there was that question of once you got

20:30 ↗ over a certain height like five over two

20:34 ↗ you had to really jump up to 10 to 12

20:36 ↗ stories before it became feasible

20:38 ↗ because he had to go steel or concrete

20:40 ↗ and he had to get that much taller so I

20:43 ↗ wonder if it can help fit in with some

20:44 ↗ of those seven eight storey buildings

20:47 ↗ that might not have worked or something

20:49 ↗ with no you're absolutely correct one of

20:52 ↗ the benefits of a CLT is being able to

20:55 ↗ go higher without really seen or

20:59 ↗ requiring new addition of structure you

21:03 ↗ know such as a conversion to steel and

21:06 ↗ metal studs you know with these mid rise

21:08 ↗ projects by when you reach a certain

21:10 ↗ height they become classified as

21:11 ↗ high-rise projects so there's a whole

21:14 ↗ lot of other criterias that come into

21:15 ↗ play with that including the smoke

21:19 ↗ prevention and as well as metal framing

21:23 ↗ - once you reach that certain height so

21:26 ↗ again we're seeing a CLT really starting

21:30 ↗ to kick off I think one of the some of

21:34 ↗ the big questions I've heard in the past

21:36 ↗ is regarding the production of CLT and

21:39 ↗ whether there's enough factories and

21:42 ↗ manufacturing facilities able to keep up

21:45 ↗ with demand

21:46 ↗ if that really kicks off and what

21:49 ↗ happens if one of those factories or

21:52 ↗ manufacturing facilities you know goes

21:55 ↗ bankrupt er you know doesn't do well how

21:58 ↗ does that affect the industry so I think

22:01 ↗ we'll see more locations popping up and

22:03 ↗ more growth in that then yeah and I'm

22:06 ↗ curious about the long-term use of it

22:08 ↗ for the reasons you described in terms

22:10 ↗ of you know maintenance I guess I do a

22:14 ↗ lot of remodeling so how do you remodel

22:16 ↗ a building like that and do the

22:17 ↗ technologies exist and what technologies

22:19 ↗ will come out of that to to alter those

22:22 ↗ structures yeah you know it's a great

22:25 ↗ question I don't have all those answers

22:27 ↗ it's a it's a it's interesting we had a

22:29 ↗ Lunch and Learn actually a few weeks ago

22:31 ↗ where representative came in and talked

22:33 ↗ a little bit more about CLT and that's

22:35 ↗ exactly one of the questions I asked him

22:37 ↗ is in terms of longitude II the project

22:42 ↗ and the flexibility to do rehab you know

22:46 ↗ what is that what does that mean what

22:47 ↗ what can we see and there's planning

22:50 ↗ that has to be done ahead I mean it's

22:52 ↗ you know if there's damage to any of the

22:56 ↗ interior pieces yeah that that has to be

23:00 ↗ patched up it's not simply as replacing

23:02 ↗ a drywall right so you know obviously

23:05 ↗ covering everything and drywall doesn't

23:07 ↗ make sense because it just defeats the

23:08 ↗ purpose and yeah in the look that you're

23:10 ↗ going after so it's Beth there's still

23:12 ↗ unanswered questions with that good

23:14 ↗ question yeah hi my name is Kevin he my

23:21 ↗ name is Kevin price I've been in

23:23 ↗ Issaquah for five years now but early

23:28 ↗ early when my wife and I started dating

23:30 ↗ we would go on all of our dates in the

23:32 ↗ city of Issaquah and we knew in one

23:34 ↗ point we would move here and so we were

23:36 ↗ really excited to actually just do it

23:38 ↗ one day we lived in Seattle for over 20

23:42 ↗ years which was great you know we saw

23:44 ↗ that city the face of that city changed

23:47 ↗ tremendously but we just wanted

23:50 ↗ something different and and so we we

23:53 ↗ bought an a-frame here

23:55 ↗ and we've we've been sort of rehabbing

23:57 ↗ that which has been an adventure in and

24:00 ↗ of itself so uh so I've been on the DC

24:04 ↗ now for I guess three years coming up on

24:08 ↗ three years or a little more than three

24:09 ↗ years and i was on the design review

24:13 ↗ board in the city of seattle for three

24:16 ↗ years as well when I left Seattle I knew

24:19 ↗ I wanted to continue that in some

24:20 ↗ fashion so this seemed like a great

24:22 ↗ opportunity so I applied and then I

24:25 ↗ waited and I waited and I waited and

24:27 ↗ then I was read I didn't know if I

24:29 ↗ didn't hear anything so I'm like well I

24:31 ↗ guess I didn't get on and then I'm

24:33 ↗ reading some memorandum one day and I

24:35 ↗ saw the list of people that that were

24:37 ↗ accepted I'm like oh my god so I was

24:41 ↗ really excited to continue sort of that

24:43 ↗ work I had started in Seattle you know

24:47 ↗ in some fashion and it's different what

24:50 ↗ we do here versus what they do there I

24:52 ↗ feel like this has a lot more impact in

24:56 ↗ terms of the the variety I think and I'm

25:01 ↗ really proud of what the city has done

25:02 ↗ to develop the current guidelines and

25:04 ↗ participating in that process has been

25:06 ↗ really really tremendous so it's been a

25:09 ↗ lot more meaningful for me and and so

25:11 ↗ it's been an exciting experience in that

25:14 ↗ regard something about me young that

25:23 ↗ hobby I'm an architect so that means my

25:25 ↗ hobby is architecture I when I'm not I'm

25:29 ↗ not working at work I'm doing side work

25:33 ↗ I also serve as a design review member

25:37 ↗ for for Sun Cady at humble Creek that is

25:41 ↗ actually a paid position but which is a

25:44 ↗ lot of fun it's a lot of fun and you get

25:47 ↗ to see a tremendous variety you get to

25:48 ↗ see a lot of a lot of interesting

25:52 ↗ approaches to mountain architecture and

25:54 ↗ what you're seeing up there these days

25:55 ↗ is a lot of modern architecture you know

25:59 ↗ was founded on this idea of traditional

26:01 ↗ mountain homes but the marketplace and

26:04 ↗ the type of people that are in the

26:07 ↗ region

26:07 ↗ typically high-tech want more modern

26:09 ↗ structure so so it's interesting

26:11 ↗ watching the face of Sun Cadia change as

26:15 ↗ well which is kind of fun

26:17 ↗ and that's about it my first job I was a

26:21 ↗ it was a junior Ranger and I still

26:24 ↗ maintain that was my best job I made

26:26 ↗ trails for the city of Boulder that was

26:29 ↗ a lot of fun worst job was that as well

26:33 ↗ because you know you're 16 and you're

26:36 ↗ just like what am i doing but that's

26:40 ↗ really it a nutshell other than that I

26:42 ↗ think most everybody knows I'm an

26:44 ↗ architect I do custom residential design

26:46 ↗ so it's it's much different than the

26:49 ↗ face of what you do I worked with

26:51 ↗ individual clients to design their homes

26:53 ↗ and it's everything from new homes

26:55 ↗ primarily remodels but some new homes as

26:58 ↗ well so that's it Colorado University of

27:06 ↗ Colorado at Boulder yeah so I grew up in

27:08 ↗ Boulder and then I went to college about

27:10 ↗ a block away which which which meant I

27:15 ↗ had to leave her Boulder described as 20

27:21 ↗ square miles surrounded by reality yeah

27:29 ↗ Boulder is and it's you got to get out

27:35 ↗ it's it's a wonderful place to be but

27:37 ↗ it's not real yeah Kevin - at any point

27:41 ↗ did you you know think about buying a

27:44 ↗ piece of land and building something

27:47 ↗ from the ground up yourself

27:48 ↗ yeah there's rehab I'm an architect yes

27:58 ↗ of course that's the dream but still

28:01 ↗ make it work see yeah

28:07 ↗ hello I'm Brooke Shore I've lived in the

28:11 ↗ city for a little over four years been

28:14 ↗ on the development Commission since

28:16 ↗ April I applied for the Development

28:21 ↗ Commission I've actually applied for

28:23 ↗ several Commission's the development

28:25 ↗ Commission was the only one that shows

28:26 ↗ me and I just felt compelled to give

28:35 ↗ back somehow and I thought that would be

28:37 ↗ a good start

28:40 ↗ Hobie's well I guess for job I'm a civil

28:45 ↗ engineer for the first seven or eight

28:48 ↗ years of my career I did design and then

28:51 ↗ the last ten years I've worked for a

28:53 ↗ general contractor so doing construction

28:55 ↗ estimating project management scheduling

29:00 ↗ and I've built transportation type

29:04 ↗ projects so roads bridges my company's

29:07 ↗ doing the i-90 job out there and first

29:18 ↗ job McDonald's also worst job they're

29:29 ↗ doing drainage right now but the main

29:33 ↗ purpose of the project is to add an

29:36 ↗ auxilary Lane between 900 and East Gate

29:40 ↗ and then there are noise wells first

29:43 ↗ everything else is it all the way to 900

29:46 ↗ not just to Lake one YES on eastbound

29:52 ↗ Wow that'll be great yeah where they

30:06 ↗ chose which segments got them in which

30:09 ↗ segments do there are several miles of

30:11 ↗ noise well I can't remember how many but

30:12 ↗ I think it's summer of 2021 but I will

30:23 ↗ tell you that West Lake Sammamish

30:25 ↗ between the State Park and Lake Mont

30:28 ↗ will be closed for we got them to agree

30:34 ↗ not to do it during the holiday season

30:38 ↗ Brooke are you referring to the on i-90

30:42 ↗ itself the stretch between Issaquah and

30:44 ↗ and Bellevue that whole stretch what

30:46 ↗ they're doing expand okay do you do you

30:51 ↗ see the light rail going through that

30:53 ↗ center piece of land it seems like an

30:55 ↗ ideal spot but it's curious extra

31:03 ↗ traffic Queens so when when track when

31:06 ↗ cars get onto the freeway they don't

31:07 ↗ have to merge they could just stay

31:08 ↗ straight for a while and then it's

31:10 ↗ supposed to tell each traffic cuz they

31:12 ↗ won't be meeting

31:20 ↗ so hi Mike Brennan I have been on the

31:24 ↗ Commission for over ten years and things

31:26 ↗ I lost track long time I am one of the

31:31 ↗ at-large members so I don't live in the

31:33 ↗ city I live in a city just to the north

31:35 ↗ of here just across the border

31:37 ↗ I have lived in the same house for about

31:39 ↗ 23 year 24 years now so lots of you know

31:47 ↗ participation in everything that is

31:49 ↗ quite has to offer I was a place to live

31:52 ↗ and recreate and buy stuff and

31:56 ↗ everything else really enjoyed working

31:58 ↗ on the Commission my regular day job is

32:01 ↗ in development services I work for a

32:04 ↗ city just a bit west of here

32:07 ↗ I've been there for a long time as well

32:09 ↗ so this is kind of bringing some of you

32:13 ↗ know what I've learned both in school

32:15 ↗ and in my career to you know help help

32:18 ↗ here encourage to kind of toss my name

32:21 ↗ in by the guy to my left here and I said

32:24 ↗ sounds interesting and I got I got the

32:28 ↗ call - so it's been it has been

32:32 ↗ interesting to the evolution of this

32:34 ↗ Commission in my tenure and you probably

32:38 ↗ hear even more from Mel here who's been

32:40 ↗ on longer than I have that it really has

32:44 ↗ really changed not only think matured as

32:47 ↗ a commission but the way that the city

32:49 ↗ regulations and the city staff engaged

32:52 ↗ with the Commission is it has changed

32:55 ↗ and I thought thinking a lot of really

32:56 ↗ good ways it's is a cause really

32:59 ↗ emerging you know as a place where

33:02 ↗ people really want to be and it's

33:04 ↗ attracting lots of development and now

33:06 ↗ we've got things kind of sorted out with

33:08 ↗ regard to the central there's a co-op

33:10 ↗ plan I think that will start to really

33:11 ↗ take hold and I think well-positioned I

33:15 ↗ think the city is to have that kind of

33:18 ↗ smart growth but relying on this

33:20 ↗ commission and others to help guide that

33:23 ↗ and

33:23 ↗ important role so I think that's

33:25 ↗ something that I take seriously and I

33:27 ↗ think it's been beneficial to the

33:30 ↗ projects that have come through here and

33:31 ↗ we hear that back from the applicants to

33:34 ↗ that they appreciate it I know it's a an

33:36 ↗ extra hurdle they got to get over but

33:38 ↗ they appreciate the suggestions and

33:42 ↗ sometimes requirements that come from

33:43 ↗ the Commission that really affect their

33:45 ↗ projects and I think in a lot of good

33:46 ↗ ways so I think the Commission really

33:48 ↗ provides a valuable service to the

33:51 ↗ community and there were quite a

33:53 ↗ significant commitment on our part to be

33:55 ↗ ready to do that but I think that my

33:57 ↗ observation is that Commission has

33:59 ↗ always got a great talent and people are

34:02 ↗ committed in that that's what really

34:03 ↗ makes the difference I think what about

34:05 ↗ me a little bit so things I like to do I

34:08 ↗ like outdoor stuff so a lot hiking and I

34:11 ↗ can ski and bike and whatever else is

34:13 ↗ going on it's a great place to live for

34:14 ↗ that so I try to spend as much time as I

34:17 ↗ can doing outdoor things I my first job

34:24 ↗ I guess I grew up in Wenatchee the other

34:26 ↗ side of the mountains and my first job

34:28 ↗ was working in a fruit warehouse cold

34:31 ↗ storage in the summer time so it's 100

34:33 ↗ degrees outside and it's like you know

34:35 ↗ 35 degrees where you're working they

34:38 ↗ weren't it cold

34:39 ↗ wore long pants and long underwear

34:41 ↗ stacking boxes full of cherries on

34:44 ↗ pallets and they take it away in your

34:46 ↗ stack another one it was great fun so

34:50 ↗ that's that then I decided maybe that's

34:53 ↗ not the kind of career I wanted so it

34:55 ↗ wasn't obviously I needed to go to off

34:59 ↗ to college so I did I went to Washington

35:00 ↗ State University and I've got my Goku's

35:03 ↗ I got my undergrad degree in

35:05 ↗ construction management so where'd you

35:08 ↗ go to graduate school

35:11 ↗ and then I mid-career went off to

35:13 ↗ graduate school at the University of

35:15 ↗ Washington go Dawgs I'm conflicted

35:24 ↗ it's Goku's especially during the Apple

35:28 ↗ Campus so which is coming up see what

35:31 ↗ else I think I've got my wife and I have

35:37 ↗ two daughters both growing and and out

35:39 ↗ one recently engaged to be married so

35:41 ↗ getting ready for that and checking the

35:44 ↗ bottom line of the bank account going oh

35:46 ↗ it's gonna damage so looking forward to

35:51 ↗ that too we have two at-large members on

35:59 ↗ the Commission that are not required to

36:01 ↗ be residents of the city

36:04 ↗ oh um thank you I just completely drove

36:08 ↗ like I I know I don't know whether

36:11 ↗ there's I don't remember if there's a

36:13 ↗ specific number or it just cannot be the

36:15 ↗ majority okay yeah well I'm Mel Morgan

36:24 ↗ and like Mike I've never lived in the

36:29 ↗ city we lived in the same house on the

36:33 ↗ plateau for 26 years it was an is a quad

36:37 ↗ dress at the time but it was King County

36:39 ↗ it was before incorporation up there so

36:41 ↗ you know I kind of thought I lived in

36:43 ↗ Issaquah but didn't really and years old

36:51 ↗ after we moved in I thought well I've

36:53 ↗ gotta do something get back to the

36:54 ↗ community my background is in commercial

36:56 ↗ real estate appraisal I saw the

36:59 ↗ development Commission the description I

37:00 ↗ thought well I kind of understand real

37:03 ↗ estate maybe that's a way I can help out

37:05 ↗ and applied and and I think this is my

37:10 ↗ 25th year on the Commission so I'm still

37:14 ↗ waiting we get paid or

37:15 ↗ we're never cleared on that cake the son

37:20 ↗ gave me a commission I do remember we

37:26 ↗ had we had a meeting a joint meeting

37:29 ↗ with like Redmond and and is Redmond and

37:33 ↗ Kirkland planning development like

37:35 ↗ commissions once up at the san michele

37:38 ↗ bar know it was at the Red Hook brewery

37:40 ↗ and I remember somebody from there

37:42 ↗ mentioned that they got paid some hourly

37:46 ↗ rate for when they had Commission

37:47 ↗ meetings and that we never had those

37:48 ↗ meetings again and yeah I was smart

37:58 ↗ enough to driving here was always tough

38:01 ↗ and I wanted to get ride so I convinced

38:05 ↗ Mike to join the Commission so I could

38:07 ↗ get a because he and his family moved in

38:09 ↗ next door to us and the great thing is

38:12 ↗ they had a baby shortly after they moved

38:16 ↗ in and it was nice enough to name her

38:18 ↗ Morgan I thought that was yeah yeah most

38:22 ↗ neighbors should do that so anyway no

38:24 ↗ it's been great it's been really

38:26 ↗ wonderful and one of our hobbies I think

38:28 ↗ is probably discussing urban planning

38:30 ↗ stuff really bore was nothing that's in

38:33 ↗ front of the Commission and yeah first

38:42 ↗ job in high school I was a DJ on the

38:45 ↗ radio I grew up in Shelton which is a

38:49 ↗ little lumber town down by Olympia and I

38:52 ↗ had a neighbor that worked at the local

38:54 ↗ radio station was a country music

38:55 ↗ station and he was leaving to go off to

38:58 ↗ college or something said you should

39:00 ↗ apply so I had a weekend job I go in

39:02 ↗ there in the morning and and get the

39:04 ↗ news off the EP press and stuff and just

39:06 ↗ sort of run the station the whole day so

39:09 ↗ and so that was and that was interesting

39:11 ↗ I'm not sure about worst job I mean my

39:14 ↗ best job was being a bartender at

39:16 ↗ Dante's tavern and you dis drink so I

39:18 ↗ live very near Dante

39:21 ↗ that you goes down for bad behavior oh

39:24 ↗ so you you went the silver 1980 yes yes

39:29 ↗ did you go in there then yeah you need

39:31 ↗ the dollar pitcher nights on Thursday

39:33 ↗ I didn't go into Dante's no I lived very

39:35 ↗ close to campus and so I was you know I

39:38 ↗ go to the what is the collagen collagen

39:42 ↗ thank you I kept saying University in my

39:45 ↗ head no collagen was kind of my stomping

39:47 ↗ ground

39:47 ↗ yeah well fortunately it was just beer

39:54 ↗ and wine for us so yeah the time Willie

39:57 ↗ so and now I work for a company or our

40:00 ↗ company invest money for union pension

40:03 ↗ funds so we manage about six and a half

40:06 ↗ billion dollars worth of of assets we

40:09 ↗ own property mostly west coast but into

40:12 ↗ Colorado we own an office project and

40:14 ↗ Boulder and on the East Coast as well

40:17 ↗ and we owned the Maple Street office

40:21 ↗ building which I'm the asset manager for

40:23 ↗ and it was interesting because when I

40:24 ↗ was on the Commission we approved the

40:26 ↗ project before I even knew about the

40:29 ↗ company I'm at now so it's interesting

40:31 ↗ now being running the building that we

40:34 ↗ won you know had approved before so and

40:37 ↗ I think it always is interesting giving

40:39 ↗ me the perspective from like a property

40:42 ↗ owner and we're not developers but we

40:44 ↗ work with developers so I can I

40:46 ↗ understand

40:48 ↗ sort of from the investment aspect of

40:51 ↗ real estate and the things that are done

40:53 ↗ and can and can't be done or you know

40:56 ↗ what that view might be soon

41:02 ↗ so we were probably 85% commercial real

41:06 ↗ estate and the rest of stock and bonds

41:08 ↗ so yeah and most of the so the pension

41:12 ↗ funds we invest for invest for would be

41:14 ↗ like the local Operating Engineers Union

41:16 ↗ and the Carpenters Union and so one of

41:18 ↗ the things they like is that we're using

41:20 ↗ we always use union labor so if we build

41:22 ↗ a building it's with union labor so it's

41:26 ↗ making money for them and it's putting

41:28 ↗ them back to work and and the thing is

41:30 ↗ with you know people doing that kind of

41:32 ↗ work if you're a carpenter a plumber you

41:34 ↗ really need a pension plan because you

41:36 ↗ can't do that into your 70s or 80s oh

41:39 ↗ yeah so how many people went to the

41:47 ↗ University of Washington I'm just

41:49 ↗ curious if they if you paid attention to

41:51 ↗ anything in the football and happened to

41:54 ↗ notice what the University Utah did to

41:55 ↗ them a couple of weeks ago just

42:08 ↗ [Laughter]

42:15 ↗ so I'm Richard so a bit I honestly I was

42:19 ↗ trying to think of how long of I retired

42:21 ↗ nine from the u.s. Forest Service I

42:23 ↗ worked for them for 40 years I started

42:26 ↗ off in Ogden on the Wasatch it's Wasatch

42:29 ↗ cache for us now and worked my way

42:31 ↗ through college and all kinds of

42:33 ↗ interesting things move 217 times

42:35 ↗ there's a federal employed to advance

42:39 ↗ you generally have to move and so I

42:41 ↗ wanted to advance and I did and I ended

42:44 ↗ up as the national director of

42:45 ↗ engineering for the Forest Service

42:47 ↗ retired nine years ago lived lived here

42:51 ↗ with the I retired in January we moved

42:54 ↗ we came here on a house hunting trip in

42:56 ↗ September and I bought a house in Kalani

42:58 ↗ and so once again I thought I was a

43:01 ↗ quiet person but now I'm a Sammamish

43:04 ↗ person so but at any rate I really

43:12 ↗ really like the you know I did have a

43:15 ↗ several years that I worked with federal

43:18 ↗ highway administration and changing into

43:19 ↗ a different federal agency and the

43:23 ↗ frustrating thing about that was that it

43:25 ↗ was all engineers you know I don't know

43:27 ↗ I don't know you have any preconceptions

43:31 ↗ about what an engineer might be but

43:33 ↗ usually it's we lack a little bit of

43:35 ↗ personality because she can laugh and

43:39 ↗ smile at any rate decided to go back to

43:49 ↗ the Forest Service and what I found

43:51 ↗ really compelling was being able to mix

43:53 ↗ technical skill with resource objectives

43:56 ↗ and we went through the NEPA phase and

43:59 ↗ interdisciplinary teams and realized

44:01 ↗ that we had a responsibility to build

44:05 ↗ roads I built you know Forest Service

44:07 ↗ people don't know has 350,000 miles of

44:09 ↗ road and so I do I spent the first half

44:13 ↗ of my career building lots of miles of

44:15 ↗ road in the last half of my career

44:16 ↗ unbuilding lots of miles road because

44:19 ↗ American public made some changes on

44:21 ↗ what their expectation was off national

44:23 ↗ forests but I really like the notion of

44:26 ↗ interdisciplinary team decision-making

44:28 ↗ and one of the things that was most

44:31 ↗ frustrating is that we got so involved

44:33 ↗ in Anders on our team making that we

44:35 ↗ kind of team decisions that we kind of

44:37 ↗ forgot that at some point somebody had

44:39 ↗ to make a decision know so it was really

44:42 ↗ that was one of the that was one of the

44:45 ↗ kind of hints that maybe it was time for

44:47 ↗ me to move on until I retired I retired

44:51 ↗ here on I retired back in DC on January

44:55 ↗ 3rd we moved we flew here on January 4th

44:58 ↗ and moved into our house I've been

45:01 ↗ working at a fairly high level and so I

45:03 ↗ was working 15 or 16 hours a day no

45:06 ↗ contrary to what people think of

45:08 ↗ government employees and I really loved

45:10 ↗ when we had been in DC twice I could

45:14 ↗ have to convince my time my wife is a

45:16 ↗ real good negotiator and so it convinced

45:18 ↗ her to move back the second time we she

45:21 ↗ made me promise that she got two trips

45:24 ↗ back to west coast because our kid we

45:25 ↗ have kids at one kid and redmond and one

45:27 ↗ kid in Tukwila and grandkids in redmond

45:32 ↗ and then she said i could only do it for

45:36 ↗ three years because and the federal

45:38 ↗ scheme that if you work at the same rate

45:40 ↗ for three years that's what dictates

45:41 ↗ your retirement so I if I hadn't made

45:45 ↗ that commitment on a probably stayed

45:46 ↗ there for a lot longer but regardless we

45:49 ↗ moved here and when you go from 16 hours

45:52 ↗ a day to that the worst thing is you

45:54 ↗ move from the east coast to the west and

45:55 ↗ you wake up at 3 o'clock in the morning

45:57 ↗ and there's nothing open except at

46:00 ↗ Denny's in Issaquah you know which it is

46:02 ↗ gone now but that saved my life because

46:04 ↗ I got every year every day I get up and

46:06 ↗ go down and eat breakfast and read the

46:08 ↗ whole paper

46:09 ↗ got to know the waitress and there were

46:11 ↗ a couple it really well so but I needed

46:15 ↗ something to do and I really liked the

46:18 ↗ notion of planning and and resource

46:21 ↗ management so I volunteered or applied

46:25 ↗ for it to the river and stream board and

46:27 ↗ the Development Commission and I was

46:31 ↗ accepted for both and the the river and

46:35 ↗ stream board met a few times the

46:39 ↗ Development Commission didn't meet for a

46:41 ↗ year and similarly whoever whoever's

46:44 ↗ experience I I figured while I didn't

46:48 ↗ get get picked and the same thing they

46:50 ↗ sent out an agenda and my name was on

46:52 ↗ the agenda you know it's partly so Randy

46:55 ↗ garrison was the chairman and I didn't

46:58 ↗ know what to do so I came in and I said

47:00 ↗ yeah over there and they held the

47:03 ↗ meeting and after the after the meeting

47:05 ↗ I walked up and I said I don't know what

47:07 ↗ I'm supposed to do and he said what do

47:08 ↗ you mean I said well I think I'm I have

47:23 ↗ to say I really really like the Forest

47:26 ↗ Service I really like my job I won the

47:30 ↗ probably the best job I ever had was

47:32 ↗ working for them for 40 years and I

47:35 ↗ think my worst job my first job was my

47:38 ↗ best friend

47:38 ↗ we're living in Ogden Utah and my best

47:40 ↗ friend talked me into going and picking

47:43 ↗ beans and so we got this great idea that

47:49 ↗ it's hot it's like 500 degrees outside

47:52 ↗ and no wind and you're in these bean

47:53 ↗ rows and we're going along and all of a

47:56 ↗ sudden his bean was behind my head I

47:58 ↗ kind of looked around and it turned out

48:01 ↗ that there were three or four young

48:04 ↗ laborers that were not too happy that we

48:06 ↗ were there taking their job and so we

48:08 ↗ got in this great big bean war tore down

48:10 ↗ about 50 rows of beans and they asked us

48:13 ↗ not to come back

48:15 ↗ that was probably my worst job and the

48:17 ↗ first job in worst job my hobbies I like

48:20 ↗ to fish I volunteer at the across Salmon

48:23 ↗ Hatchery just about every day I like to

48:26 ↗ do woodworking and I've got three

48:31 ↗ grandkids that are all old like I think

48:34 ↗ the youngest one is 22 and I have three

48:36 ↗ great gang kids too that's it that's

48:45 ↗ pretty good well thank you what a

48:47 ↗ variety of talent if you think about the

48:51 ↗ mix we have now on the Commission you

48:54 ↗ know engineers technical experience

48:58 ↗ architects finance folks it's great yeah

49:03 ↗ two years and two years well so I'll

49:21 ↗ start through the agenda feel free to

49:24 ↗ turn it back to something more

49:25 ↗ entertaining so one of the questions

49:31 ↗ which was really interesting because I

49:33 ↗ didn't know exactly how to answer it was

49:34 ↗ how the Commission fit into the city

49:36 ↗ organizational structure so Lucy's crazy

49:41 ↗ diagram like the federal government

49:45 ↗ there are three branches you know the

49:48 ↗ legislative judicial and administration

49:54 ↗ and we all sort of fall under the

49:56 ↗ administration so I don't I put us on an

50:02 ↗ equal level because we're both decision

50:06 ↗ makers and recommenders depends on the

50:09 ↗ permits we'll talk about that later

50:11 ↗ sometimes GSD staff is recommending to

50:16 ↗ you all for a decision sometimes we're

50:18 ↗ recommending to you all for a

50:20 ↗ recommendation that will

50:21 ↗ go to the council sometimes we're making

50:24 ↗ recommendations directly to Council

50:26 ↗ that's usually on code not on permits

50:30 ↗ and so I think that's sort of the basic

50:37 ↗ structure any question versus Department

50:48 ↗ anything like that with a new city

50:49 ↗ manager yet to be determined

50:53 ↗ there's a study I can't remember exactly

50:56 ↗ the name of it but there's something

50:59 ↗ that I'm not sure he knows exactly what

51:01 ↗ it was intended in the budget city's

51:06 ↗ services study or something like that so

51:09 ↗ we're not sure what that is and whether

51:10 ↗ that may result in some restructuring

51:13 ↗ but not anything we know about it this

51:16 ↗ time so these are the slides that I

51:23 ↗ showed you earlier but I want to sort of

51:24 ↗ do it a little more unpacked in informal

51:27 ↗ way since we were in with PPC and the

51:31 ↗ attorney and everyone so you're the main

51:36 ↗ permits that come to you are the site

51:40 ↗ development permits a master site plan

51:42 ↗ and development agreements so that we're

51:45 ↗ going to talk about that some about the

51:48 ↗ review process and then some of your

51:51 ↗ other responsibilities so for site

51:58 ↗ development permits there are actually

52:00 ↗ three triggers now depending on what

52:02 ↗ part of the city you're in it could be

52:05 ↗ based on the site size it could be based

52:08 ↗ on the street that you abut or it could

52:11 ↗ be within central Issaquah the building

52:15 ↗ size and on those permits your decision

52:18 ↗ makers with master site plans those are

52:22 ↗ sites greater than 15 acres and in that

52:26 ↗ case you're making a recommendation to

52:28 ↗ council what typically happens is where

52:31 ↗ we actually bring a site

52:33 ↗ development permit and a master site

52:35 ↗ plan to you at the same time and because

52:39 ↗ they're coming to you at the same time

52:41 ↗ that counsel ends up being that decision

52:43 ↗ maker the idea with master site plans is

52:48 ↗ to have a master site plan that can be

52:50 ↗ built out in phases I think that staff

52:55 ↗ is beginning to think as part of our

52:57 ↗ Title 18 update that we don't need

52:59 ↗ master site plans anymore because really

53:01 ↗ master site plans we're the tool we had

53:03 ↗ before we had development agreements and

53:05 ↗ so we're thinking that rather than make

53:11 ↗ every project go through the master site

53:14 ↗ plan process you know if you have a

53:15 ↗ school and it's all going to be built in

53:17 ↗ one phase does the master site plan

53:19 ↗ provide you anything that you wouldn't

53:21 ↗ get through the site development permit

53:23 ↗ I think we're thinking no but that will

53:26 ↗ certainly be one of the conversations I

53:28 ↗ will want to have and and then

53:30 ↗ development agreements and and there's

53:33 ↗ no particular trigger for those they

53:36 ↗ typically for an urban village that

53:41 ↗ would be more than 15 acres so that you

53:44 ↗ can see where there's the parallel to

53:45 ↗ the master site plan but they're a

53:49 ↗ development agreement it's just to be an

53:52 ↗ urban village you have to be 15 acres

53:54 ↗ you don't have to be 15 acres to be a

53:57 ↗ development agreement that's just the

53:58 ↗ tool with the city chooses to use and

54:02 ↗ it's really up to the council to decide

54:04 ↗ that to say yes we want to proceed with

54:07 ↗ staff investing time and commissions and

54:10 ↗ the council investing time are there any

54:16 ↗ new development agreement areas that you

54:19 ↗ think would be like Ares big enough that

54:22 ↗ are undeveloped it we get we're seeing

54:24 ↗ some small development agreements take

54:27 ↗ Gilman lofts you know what you saw I

54:30 ↗ mean it came through during the

54:31 ↗ moratorium and they used a development

54:33 ↗ agreement to agree on the terms and it

54:36 ↗ was mostly about transportation

54:40 ↗ funding sharing so the development

54:43 ↗ agreement was capturing that funding

54:46 ↗ partnership so you know that's an

54:48 ↗ example of where it's a very small site

54:50 ↗ but the development agreement was the

54:52 ↗ tool to allow that to proceed and under

54:57 ↗ what terms so I don't think we'll see

55:00 ↗ big I mean I think given some of the

55:02 ↗ ending of development agreements and the

55:04 ↗ challenges we faced we I don't know what

55:07 ↗ that we would want to enter into any

55:09 ↗ more development agreements but you know

55:12 ↗ I there could very well be a property

55:15 ↗ owner that comes forward and the council

55:17 ↗ sees an opportunity for both public

55:20 ↗ benefit and working with that property

55:22 ↗ owner to create a vision and a kind of

55:25 ↗ commitment to each other and me you know

55:29 ↗ might happen okay

55:32 ↗ unrelated question maybe you mentioned

55:34 ↗ the Gilman lofts

55:36 ↗ I'm curious would we ever be able to do

55:39 ↗ like a field trip to something like that

55:41 ↗ that was a unique project that we went

55:43 ↗ through to actually when it's done to go

55:45 ↗ out there and on a nice day and talk

55:48 ↗ about okay here with the plans here's

55:50 ↗ what we saw here's what we initially saw

55:53 ↗ here's what we came up with here's what

55:56 ↗ it looks like now here's how it

55:58 ↗ functions yeah you know I think Mel

56:02 ↗ that's a great idea we did that the

56:04 ↗ summer with rivers and streams who was

56:06 ↗ interested in going out and see some of

56:08 ↗ the mitigation plans that they had

56:09 ↗ reviewed and how it played out and

56:12 ↗ whether it was what they expected and

56:16 ↗ actually three or four years ago we

56:20 ↗ started doing it with staff as well

56:22 ↗ every August we take all the projects

56:25 ↗ that have been finished in the year and

56:26 ↗ we decide which ones we want to go see

56:28 ↗ and we just spend a whole day going and

56:30 ↗ walking projects we try and have some of

56:33 ↗ the inspectors along we have planners

56:35 ↗ and engineers because we just really

56:38 ↗ want you know you can look at the

56:39 ↗ drawings you can talk look at the

56:41 ↗ pictures it's not the same as standing

56:43 ↗ someplace and saying would we ever do

56:45 ↗ this again

56:47 ↗ this workout are we happy with this why

56:50 ↗ didn't this work why

56:52 ↗ you know what would we want to do

56:53 ↗ differently and I think those are great

56:55 ↗ conversations I yeah i think i would

56:57 ↗ like to wait till next summer yeah so

57:03 ↗ think about some of the projects you'd

57:05 ↗ like to go visit I mean I know Gilman

57:08 ↗ lofts has been offering staff to come

57:09 ↗ out and see it while it's under

57:11 ↗ construction

57:12 ↗ I haven't taken advantage of it because

57:14 ↗ I don't need another boot I think that's

57:18 ↗ a great idea yeah great no not that I

57:27 ↗ think of there was in 2018 we terminated

57:35 ↗ three its Highlands and talus

57:39 ↗ there was a little one where the YWCA

57:41 ↗ and Z home are that actually was a

57:45 ↗ separate development agreement and then

57:47 ↗ the what's artfully called the wash TDR

57:51 ↗ development agreement which is where

57:53 ↗ Pine Crest and Sun Ridge and Bellevue

57:56 ↗ college all of the residential portion

57:59 ↗ because that was complete was pulled out

58:01 ↗ and so the development agreement

58:03 ↗ continues to exist but just for Bellevue

58:06 ↗ college and I don't remember the exact

58:09 ↗ term but there's probably a fair amount

58:11 ↗ of time left on that that was just

58:13 ↗ available for the college because if you

58:16 ↗ know there was no telling how long that

58:18 ↗ would take then the next set of

58:24 ↗ development agreements was rally

58:27 ↗ properties the next year was lakeside

58:30 ↗ for the upper portion and then Swedish

58:33 ↗ was pulled out of his clients and made

58:36 ↗ its own development agreement because

58:38 ↗ they knew as client's development

58:40 ↗ agreement was going to terminate soon

58:41 ↗ they bought another ten acres and seven

58:47 ↗ hundred thousand square feet I think

58:49 ↗ they have a total know I think they have

58:52 ↗ a total of just over a million

58:54 ↗ square feet of which they built about

58:56 ↗ half and that actually their mess

59:01 ↗ they're required to do a master plan in

59:03 ↗ a certain period of time and that's

59:05 ↗ going to come up so in the next I would

59:08 ↗ guess maybe your to the master site plan

59:11 ↗ for that may be coming to you all but

59:16 ↗ those are all like 20 and 30 year

59:19 ↗ development agreements so I think

59:21 ↗ they'll be around for a while the

59:26 ↗ Commission look at whatever's going on

59:29 ↗ and over by the trampoline sales place I

59:33 ↗ think that's that's part of the rally

59:40 ↗ formula very it was very competitive who

59:45 ↗ which staff person got to review it

59:49 ↗ seems like way too much fun and then you

59:51 ↗ have the Costco canvass expansion right

59:56 ↗ thank you for mentioning that that one

59:58 ↗ is unusual because again it was partly

1:00:01 ↗ or primarily transportation financing

1:00:05 ↗ partnership for building 62nd connection

1:00:09 ↗ in the bridge and everything but as part

1:00:12 ↗ of having that agreement I'm and they're

1:00:15 ↗ actually a few small transportation

1:00:17 ↗ improvements less left to build you know

1:00:20 ↗ for Costco to make that investment in

1:00:23 ↗ transportation improvements they wanted

1:00:26 ↗ some certainty about being able to

1:00:27 ↗ expand and build out their campus and so

1:00:31 ↗ those the garage is permitted and under

1:00:35 ↗ construction in the office building is

1:00:37 ↗ pretty close to having the permits

1:00:39 ↗ issued yeah well they start construction

1:00:42 ↗ on the office you think once we get the

1:00:45 ↗ permit oh yeah jump right now they would

1:00:46 ↗ like to have had the permits ages ago

1:00:49 ↗ you know some of it is just there has

1:00:53 ↗ been some technology issues related you

1:00:57 ↗ know there's a lot of pile drive

1:00:58 ↗ and stone columns and so we're learning

1:01:01 ↗ a lot about new technologies on the

1:01:03 ↗ valley floor and then part of it is just

1:01:06 ↗ that's a really big complicated building

1:01:08 ↗ - for both mg2 and the city to figure

1:01:14 ↗ out how to pull it all together so

1:01:23 ↗ another question was sort of what you

1:01:25 ↗ know lay out the process and sort of

1:01:27 ↗ help the Commission understand where you

1:01:30 ↗ fit into it we typically start with a

1:01:36 ↗ sort of collaborate collab a meeting and

1:01:40 ↗ that's where they may bring in just a

1:01:42 ↗ sketch or a very loose plan and it's an

1:01:48 ↗ opportunity to sort of make sure they're

1:01:49 ↗ looking at the right codes talk about

1:01:52 ↗ what we know what they want to do and

1:01:55 ↗ kind of make sure we're all pointed in

1:01:57 ↗ the same direction and then we encourage

1:02:01 ↗ them to come in for what we call a

1:02:03 ↗ pre-op meeting where they develop more

1:02:06 ↗ detailed plans and the idea is to try

1:02:10 ↗ and really work together reviewing so

1:02:15 ↗ that when they bring in their full SDP

1:02:16 ↗ there's not a lot of changes that we can

1:02:18 ↗ go straight into writing a staff report

1:02:20 ↗ and getting it on to you guys or the

1:02:25 ↗ administrative site development permit

1:02:27 ↗ if it's a smaller project and we do a

1:02:31 ↗ staff report development commission

1:02:34 ↗ notice of decision for some reason we

1:02:38 ↗ have three appeals right now I have to

1:02:40 ↗ tell you I have like done no Appeals in

1:02:42 ↗ my entire 24 years here and I'm doing a

1:02:44 ↗ lot of peels right now

1:02:47 ↗ yeah only ones suffering from that trend

1:02:50 ↗ right now it's just pardon growth

1:02:52 ↗ pressures in the region yeah we're

1:02:54 ↗ seeing more pushback what is the appeal

1:02:56 ↗ process so there is a certain period of

1:03:00 ↗ time so when we issue so when the

1:03:06 ↗ Development Commission I'm just going to

1:03:07 ↗ play it up her through the process that

1:03:09 ↗ you know let's say one night that you

1:03:14 ↗ vote to approve something or just deny

1:03:18 ↗ something and you usually authorize the

1:03:21 ↗ Chairman to work with the staff to

1:03:24 ↗ prepare a notice of decision staff may

1:03:27 ↗ or may not have started writing it but a

1:03:29 ↗ lot of times there's things that

1:03:31 ↗ happened that last night that we need to

1:03:32 ↗ make sure reflected in the notice of

1:03:34 ↗ decision we prepare it we send it to the

1:03:38 ↗ chair who reviews the signs it gets it

1:03:41 ↗ back to us we send that out to all the

1:03:44 ↗ parties of record including the

1:03:47 ↗ applicant and there's I believe a 14 day

1:03:50 ↗ appeal period in which they can submit

1:03:55 ↗ an appeal and pay a fee and then we use

1:04:02 ↗ a Hearing Examiner which is kind of like

1:04:04 ↗ a judge and that is a firm that we

1:04:09 ↗ contract with and it's very court-like

1:04:15 ↗ which is kind of although I've learned

1:04:18 ↗ more than I care to about that process

1:04:21 ↗ you know it's it's pre hearing orders

1:04:25 ↗ motions briefs staff reports and then we

1:04:29 ↗ go make

1:04:30 ↗ presentation and Hearing Examiner issues

1:04:35 ↗ decision and then that is typically the

1:04:40 ↗ end of the road within the city process

1:04:42 ↗ there is the ability to appeal to

1:04:45 ↗ Superior Court so the appeals are only

1:04:49 ↗ by the Africa no frankly so this isn't

1:04:54 ↗ the way we ever operate but we could

1:04:56 ↗ appeal one of your decisions you could

1:04:58 ↗ appeal one of you could have you know

1:05:01 ↗ like if one of you didn't agree with the

1:05:03 ↗ decision the applicant can appeal or a

1:05:06 ↗ third party I mean the evergreen Ford

1:05:09 ↗ appeal is a third party so in the urban

1:05:16 ↗ villages the development agreements

1:05:18 ↗ typically you had to demonstrate

1:05:20 ↗ standing I think that may have been one

1:05:25 ↗ of the motions for the iske

1:05:28 ↗ environmental council was whether they

1:05:31 ↗ had standing to appeal I have really not

1:05:36 ↗ read any it's not my problem so I just

1:05:38 ↗ kind of follow along at a distance does

1:05:49 ↗ somebody you have to have some actual

1:05:51 ↗ basis for the appeal or they just file a

1:05:54 ↗ form and say I don't like this decision

1:05:56 ↗ I think you should overturn it they

1:06:00 ↗ could it would be an unwise use of their

1:06:02 ↗ money yes you need to if you want to be

1:06:06 ↗ successful you need to find that there

1:06:08 ↗ was an error and you know I think that

1:06:12 ↗ is one of the things that sometimes hard

1:06:14 ↗ for citizens to understand you know when

1:06:17 ↗ as I am

1:06:19 ↗ project at Tallis that a lot of resident

1:06:22 ↗ neighbors were unhappy about and as I

1:06:26 ↗ said to them you know when when you're a

1:06:28 ↗ neighbor and you're commenting on the

1:06:30 ↗ original permit you can just say I want

1:06:32 ↗ all the buildings to be blue I don't

1:06:34 ↗ want any traffic you know you can say

1:06:36 ↗ all the things that you want to say and

1:06:38 ↗ we have to consider those things and

1:06:42 ↗ whether there's a basis in code for

1:06:45 ↗ adding conditions or mitigating or

1:06:49 ↗ constraining the project based on those

1:06:52 ↗ comments but going forward with the

1:06:56 ↗ appeal you need to demonstrate that

1:06:58 ↗ there's some kind of error that's been

1:07:00 ↗ made and before it would go to a hearing

1:07:06 ↗ well

1:07:08 ↗ most hearing examiner's would just go

1:07:10 ↗ ahead and hear it they I mean they may

1:07:14 ↗ and that for instance if a citizen says

1:07:19 ↗ you know they could submit an appeal and

1:07:25 ↗ and the appellant motion I mean the

1:07:28 ↗ applicants motion could be this should

1:07:31 ↗ be dismissed and the Hearing Examiner

1:07:34 ↗ could choose to act on that motion or

1:07:37 ↗ they could say I want to hear the whole

1:07:40 ↗ thing before I make a decision mm-hmm is

1:07:44 ↗ there a cost for the group or person

1:07:46 ↗ appealing yes it's seven hundred and

1:07:49 ↗ fifty dollars which is a lot for an

1:07:51 ↗ individual and there's a lot of times

1:07:54 ↗ they will have lawyers or other people

1:07:57 ↗ to assist them it is one of the few

1:08:00 ↗ areas in which we're not covering the

1:08:02 ↗ city's costs they can be quite expensive

1:08:06 ↗ I mean we're paying for the hearing

1:08:07 ↗ examiner's time we're paying for staff

1:08:10 ↗ time and often staff consultants you

1:08:14 ↗ know if there's with Evergreen forward

1:08:17 ↗ you know a lot of that's going to

1:08:18 ↗ non-expert the experts that we had

1:08:21 ↗ coming and testifying so then you know

1:08:30 ↗ whether there's an appeal or not and

1:08:31 ↗ assuming that the appeal doesn't

1:08:33 ↗ overturn we then go into construction

1:08:37 ↗ permits often they will submit them we

1:08:41 ↗ typically they can submit a permit at

1:08:44 ↗ any time and it's partly because

1:08:46 ↗ sometimes people want to get vested to

1:08:49 ↗ certain codes but we recommend that they

1:08:53 ↗ not submit until after the first meeting

1:08:55 ↗ with you so they have a sense of whether

1:08:57 ↗ there are any big issues that because we

1:08:59 ↗ don't want to be doing all the quality

1:09:02 ↗ control review of their permits to find

1:09:04 ↗ all the ways it doesn't comply with the

1:09:05 ↗ conditions but we cannot issue of course

1:09:09 ↗ any any permits until after that

1:09:12 ↗ decision in appeal period then they move

1:09:16 ↗ into construction we often do a series

1:09:20 ↗ of permits like a site work permit will

1:09:22 ↗ be infrastructure and grading building

1:09:25 ↗ permit landscape permit and it allows us

1:09:27 ↗ to not have to review everything all at

1:09:30 ↗ once and kind of begin to get things out

1:09:32 ↗ in a series then there of course

1:09:35 ↗ inspections and then occupancy you know

1:09:39 ↗ some of you have been on a long time we

1:09:41 ↗ are not done with gateway yet we're just

1:09:44 ↗ getting ready to try and get occupancy

1:09:47 ↗ that's the project on Newport it's

1:09:50 ↗ called anthology now nineteen buildings

1:09:52 ↗ they had seven nobody's moved in yet oh

1:09:54 ↗ now they're all moved in you can get a

1:09:58 ↗ temporary certificate of occupancy if it

1:10:00 ↗ meets all the building code requirements

1:10:02 ↗ and it's considered you know health and

1:10:05 ↗ safety and basic functionality has been

1:10:07 ↗ taken care of often we're doing

1:10:09 ↗ landscape inspections you know sort of

1:10:13 ↗ infrastructure inspections if the you

1:10:18 ↗ know if you can drive and walk safely

1:10:20 ↗ there we may be saying you have to fix

1:10:22 ↗ that

1:10:22 ↗ crack or add that bench over here that

1:10:24 ↗ you had on your plans I think the two

1:10:28 ↗ five-story buildings right along i-90

1:10:31 ↗ are not occupied yet but the rest of the

1:10:33 ↗ site I mean I was there inspecting this

1:10:35 ↗ summer and they were all swimming in the

1:10:36 ↗ pool and I'm just thinking this is weird

1:10:42 ↗ but I think that is one of the things

1:10:45 ↗ that's just remarkable to me I mean we

1:10:46 ↗ started in whatever 2016 or something

1:10:51 ↗ doing the land use permits for that and

1:10:53 ↗ you know or maybe even 2015 and here we

1:10:58 ↗ are you know at the end of 2019 trying

1:11:01 ↗ to close out of the project

1:11:04 ↗ I'm curious Lucy for projects I think

1:11:07 ↗ it's the Taco Bell there on Gilman

1:11:09 ↗ that's that's kind of on hold I mean is

1:11:12 ↗ do you see a lot of pressure on your end

1:11:15 ↗ or on your staff staff and you know get

1:11:20 ↗ that moving you know maybe by the

1:11:21 ↗ general public or I'm not too familiar

1:11:24 ↗ with the history of that or what's

1:11:25 ↗ happened there specifically but I've

1:11:26 ↗ always been curious as I've walked past

1:11:28 ↗ and ridden past you know what what was

1:11:30 ↗ going on there and I think what it's an

1:11:41 ↗ inspection issue I would say one of the

1:11:47 ↗ things that's interesting in the city of

1:11:49 ↗ is Squa is that a lot of the valley

1:11:52 ↗ floor is a floodplain and people

1:11:56 ↗ sometimes make choices in the floodplain

1:11:58 ↗ and don't understand the implications of

1:12:01 ↗ it and the and you know the regulations

1:12:07 ↗ for

1:12:09 ↗ stormwater for architectural review for

1:12:14 ↗ floodplains they've all just gotten more

1:12:16 ↗ and more complicated and I think you

1:12:21 ↗ know sometimes it's a national

1:12:24 ↗ organization that isn't used to working

1:12:26 ↗ in that this part of the state sometimes

1:12:30 ↗ it's a single-family home owner who sort

1:12:32 ↗ of gets carried away doesn't realize

1:12:35 ↗ that they are in a floodplain and so

1:12:38 ↗ it's you know we just have to stop and

1:12:41 ↗ figure out how we move forward thank you

1:12:44 ↗ yeah so the main focus for you guys is

1:12:52 ↗ the area that has the box around it you

1:12:57 ↗ know we get the permit we prepare staff

1:13:01 ↗ report and bring it to you so I'm going

1:13:04 ↗ to sort of unpack that bit of the

1:13:06 ↗ process a little more did you have a

1:13:08 ↗ question okay so taking those three

1:13:12 ↗ boxes staff report development

1:13:15 ↗ Commission and then the notice of

1:13:17 ↗ decision generally we issue the staff

1:13:20 ↗ report about a week before our first

1:13:26 ↗ goal is to get it out to you

1:13:27 ↗ electronically sometimes it's a day or

1:13:31 ↗ so before they get it in the mail but

1:13:34 ↗ there's been a push to try and make it

1:13:37 ↗ all electronic but I don't think most

1:13:39 ↗ people have big enough monitors to be

1:13:41 ↗ able to read the drawings at home and so

1:13:45 ↗ I continue to push that you guys get

1:13:48 ↗ paper copies of at least things with

1:13:50 ↗ drawings in them the - it's a public

1:13:58 ↗ hearing with these permits and the two

1:14:01 ↗ meeting format is an outgrowth of sort

1:14:05 ↗ of something we developed under the MDRT

1:14:07 ↗ and our goal is that at that first

1:14:09 ↗ meeting we hear the comments and

1:14:12 ↗ concerns and questions from the pub

1:14:14 ↗ and from the Commission and then be able

1:14:16 ↗ to go away and work with the applicant

1:14:19 ↗ and sort of figure out do we add edit

1:14:22 ↗ revise conditions it's I I've done one

1:14:27 ↗ meeting occasionally I have done one

1:14:30 ↗ meeting and it's really tough

1:14:32 ↗ negotiating in real time with

1:14:34 ↗ commissioners and applicants and the

1:14:38 ↗ other thing I like about is it creates a

1:14:40 ↗ really good record for staff an

1:14:42 ↗ applicant later on that if things that

1:14:44 ↗ have come up we have both Susan load as

1:14:47 ↗ you know because you review them takes

1:14:49 ↗ the most amazing minutes and you know I

1:14:53 ↗ may still have to go back and look at

1:14:54 ↗ videotape but I can read through the

1:14:56 ↗ minutes and kind of have a pretty good

1:14:57 ↗ idea of where the thing I'm looking for

1:14:59 ↗ is and then with the briefing response

1:15:04 ↗ memo you know it really creates a pretty

1:15:05 ↗ detailed explanation of why we're

1:15:08 ↗ recommending what we're recommending and

1:15:11 ↗ then coming back to you to sort of get

1:15:14 ↗ your final take on that additional

1:15:16 ↗ information and then as I said we go

1:15:21 ↗ away after that if you've authorized us

1:15:23 ↗ to to prepare a notice of decision you

1:15:29 ↗ know the notice of decision as Richard

1:15:31 ↗ can probably tell you and anyone else

1:15:33 ↗ who's been a chair is it's pretty long

1:15:35 ↗ it's pretty boring we have to do

1:15:40 ↗ findings and conclusions we usually put

1:15:43 ↗ the motion in because often you're

1:15:44 ↗ editing it and the editing the

1:15:46 ↗ conditions through the motion and we

1:15:48 ↗ think it's helpful to have that in the

1:15:51 ↗ notice of decision as well as all the

1:15:52 ↗ conditions to provide any guidance

1:15:55 ↗ especially if there's an appeal how

1:15:59 ↗ often does the chairperson change are

1:16:01 ↗ you elected or volunteer yep so

1:16:06 ↗ typically the meeting or so after the

1:16:12 ↗ new commissioners are seated then we

1:16:17 ↗ would hold elections we usually like to

1:16:19 ↗ give the Commission ahead

1:16:21 ↗ that at the next meeting there will be

1:16:24 ↗ election so people can think about it

1:16:26 ↗ and get their campaign slogans together

1:16:33 ↗ and a lot of times we've had like a

1:16:35 ↗ vice-chair become a chair kind of thing

1:16:37 ↗ but and then partly I think with keeping

1:16:40 ↗ Richard round two was because of the

1:16:44 ↗ project that we had up in the highlands

1:16:47 ↗ to keep that continuity of those

1:16:50 ↗ meetings going and everything so right

1:16:54 ↗ sorry no that's okay I'm always

1:16:57 ↗ impressed with the staff report it's

1:16:59 ↗ incredibly comprehensive you tell us a

1:17:01 ↗ little bit about what goes into that and

1:17:03 ↗ seeing mine that curtain is that just

1:17:05 ↗ one plan or writing all that where's

1:17:06 ↗ that a variety of people preparing that

1:17:09 ↗ document it's mostly one planner I think

1:17:13 ↗ we're an unusual department because

1:17:17 ↗ Keith and I both came from the MDRT and

1:17:19 ↗ part of the reason that I think they

1:17:22 ↗ merged you know so when DST was created

1:17:26 ↗ it was planning building current

1:17:29 ↗ engineering MDRT were all merged

1:17:33 ↗ together and I think the idea was to

1:17:36 ↗ sort of benefit from some of the lessons

1:17:39 ↗ I think we've also seen some of the

1:17:41 ↗ shortcomings of that entity but I think

1:17:45 ↗ the thing that meant a lot to both of us

1:17:49 ↗ was that the planners and engineers

1:17:52 ↗ worked hand in hand and the idea was to

1:17:55 ↗ build a great community and not just to

1:17:57 ↗ engineer a perfect system and so we one

1:18:02 ↗ of my engineers calls us plant engineers

1:18:07 ↗ I really like that and so I think it's

1:18:12 ↗ been kind of unusual for a lot of

1:18:15 ↗ planners to come when they come to the

1:18:17 ↗ city or even the planners that we had

1:18:20 ↗ when there was just a planning

1:18:21 ↗ department

1:18:22 ↗ I expect the engineers to write the

1:18:24 ↗ engineering sections the roads the

1:18:27 ↗ circulation sections are one of them

1:18:29 ↗ we'll take the first shot and then the

1:18:31 ↗ other one follows along but you know

1:18:34 ↗ because of the nature of the staff

1:18:35 ↗ report probably 75% of it is written by

1:18:38 ↗ the planner well and you know it's a

1:18:46 ↗ thank you but you know I think part of

1:18:50 ↗ it is sometimes staff some staff have

1:18:55 ↗ one to really streamline that process

1:18:56 ↗ and I think that we're a very

1:19:00 ↗ detail-oriented community it captures I

1:19:06 ↗ think what we've tried to do is strike a

1:19:08 ↗ balance where we capture a lot of detail

1:19:10 ↗ I can't tell you the number of times

1:19:12 ↗ where I've used the staff report to say

1:19:14 ↗ to the applicant see I told you this was

1:19:17 ↗ going to be an X and it's got to be an X

1:19:20 ↗ that's the way we described it in here

1:19:22 ↗ yeah and or five years later they want

1:19:26 ↗ to change something or add something or

1:19:28 ↗ expand it and we've got something to go

1:19:31 ↗ back to and say how did we think about

1:19:33 ↗ that why did we make that decision why

1:19:35 ↗ is it this way and so you know I think

1:19:40 ↗ the interesting thing about staff

1:19:42 ↗ reports as they serve a number of

1:19:43 ↗ purposes and you know if it was if you

1:19:48 ↗ if you ever look at one of our

1:19:50 ↗ administrative staff reports it's so

1:19:52 ↗ much more streamlined because it's

1:19:54 ↗ really just between us and the applicant

1:19:56 ↗ but when we have these bigger more

1:19:58 ↗ complex permits that we have to explain

1:20:00 ↗ to the public to the Commission to the

1:20:02 ↗ applicant it is more unpacked

1:20:08 ↗ one of the other things I really

1:20:10 ↗ appreciate is the you know is the city

1:20:12 ↗ map that calls out all the various

1:20:13 ↗ projects that are going on and you're

1:20:15 ↗ able to click anywhere specifically and

1:20:17 ↗ receive all that documentation specific

1:20:20 ↗ to that area of that zone so it getting

1:20:23 ↗ congratulations on that and I think

1:20:24 ↗ that's a great I had nothing to do with

1:20:27 ↗ it but I completely agree I said you

1:20:31 ↗ know I actually finally went to

1:20:32 ↗ communications and said we need a URL

1:20:35 ↗ just for that map and they finally put a

1:20:38 ↗ banner on the front page because we were

1:20:39 ↗ sending so many people there and you

1:20:43 ↗ know the school district uses that the

1:20:45 ↗ county uses that the Assessor uses it at

1:20:47 ↗ school you know both transportation and

1:20:50 ↗ planning at the school district use it I

1:20:52 ↗ mean it really I we have an amazing IT

1:20:56 ↗ guy who's embedded in our department and

1:20:59 ↗ we are so lucky to have him because but

1:21:20 ↗ he is he's just really good at tailoring

1:21:24 ↗ everything in troubleshooting and he and

1:21:27 ↗ Christopher right

1:21:29 ↗ who is your lays on for many years

1:21:32 ↗ really came up with that as a tool to

1:21:35 ↗ communicate with the public because you

1:21:38 ↗ know it's just really hard the new

1:21:40 ↗ websites gonna launch soon and I think

1:21:42 ↗ they're actually going to tie that map

1:21:45 ↗ to neighborhoods because for a lot of

1:21:47 ↗ people they want to understand in the

1:21:48 ↗ neighborhood not a whole city

1:21:50 ↗ perspective so I agree that quality of

1:21:54 ↗ the work coming staffing is well our top

1:21:57 ↗ shelf I can tell from the experience

1:21:59 ↗ working with them so the the other thing

1:22:02 ↗ too and little by little you've modified

1:22:03 ↗ the process and that's in the products

1:22:05 ↗ and we're still working through

1:22:07 ↗ implementation of the centralized of

1:22:09 ↗ call design guidelines and how that

1:22:12 ↗ works but you know the thing that you

1:22:14 ↗ did add this response memo following

1:22:16 ↗ kind of what was previously called the

1:22:18 ↗ community conference provides another

1:22:21 ↗ level of documentation I think it serves

1:22:23 ↗ what you just described a permit

1:22:24 ↗ issuance but it also helps us because

1:22:27 ↗ there's these breaks that we go through

1:22:28 ↗ and we come back it's really well

1:22:31 ↗ organized it says you said this here's

1:22:34 ↗ how the applicants and how the city are

1:22:36 ↗ responding to the comments from the

1:22:38 ↗ Commission for the Commission and the

1:22:39 ↗ public to that that speak so I think

1:22:42 ↗ that's a great tool for you know one

1:22:45 ↗ keep creating it's a good record but

1:22:47 ↗ it's also really helpful I think in

1:22:49 ↗ keeping the process kind of clear and

1:22:51 ↗ OnPoint as we go through toward making

1:22:54 ↗ the final decision permit so I really

1:22:57 ↗ give a lot of credit to the city's

1:22:59 ↗ continued evolution and refining the

1:23:02 ↗ process that we use and still obviously

1:23:05 ↗ work in progress always is yeah but it

1:23:08 ↗ is really organized I think well thank

1:23:15 ↗ you but and the thing I would say it's

1:23:17 ↗ some of our best ideas come from you

1:23:18 ↗ guys so don't hesitate to tell us you

1:23:21 ↗ know if you for instance our development

1:23:24 ↗ agreements the reason we have

1:23:26 ↗ consolidated definitions was a

1:23:28 ↗ commissioner just said why do you have a

1:23:30 ↗ set of definitions in every single

1:23:32 ↗ appendix that's insane and we're like

1:23:34 ↗ yeah it is but you know you just

1:23:37 ↗ sometimes you guys see it from a

1:23:39 ↗ different perspective your users and we

1:23:42 ↗ really appreciate those suggestions

1:23:44 ↗ about what is helpful to you because a

1:23:47 ↗ lot of times it means it's so much

1:23:49 ↗ clearer and it makes it a sometimes it

1:23:51 ↗ even makes it much easier for us to do

1:23:53 ↗ what we do so don't hesitate and the

1:23:56 ↗ nice thing you know because before well

1:23:59 ↗ like we would have a community

1:24:01 ↗ conference and then and then a project

1:24:03 ↗ come before us and there'd be times

1:24:04 ↗ where a bunch of points were brought up

1:24:06 ↗ in a community conference and then

1:24:08 ↗ there'd be the project but nothing

1:24:10 ↗ mentioned and thinking well did they

1:24:13 ↗ just ignore my comments

1:24:15 ↗ or nobody paid attention or didn't like

1:24:17 ↗ it or what it seems like in your

1:24:19 ↗ responses you catch everything a lot I

1:24:23 ↗ liked how you group it together times to

1:24:24 ↗ say here the this group of comments

1:24:27 ↗ about this and so everything's in there

1:24:29 ↗ so even if something wasn't changed we

1:24:32 ↗ know it was addressed and there's a

1:24:34 ↗ reason for it or here's why it was

1:24:36 ↗ addressed differently than we thought it

1:24:38 ↗ might be in that that's really helpful

1:24:39 ↗ to know good well and I know sometimes

1:24:43 ↗ you guys say no not really

1:24:46 ↗ it hasn't quite been addressed yet and

1:24:48 ↗ but you know that that in and of itself

1:24:51 ↗ allows us to really focus and I think

1:24:54 ↗ that's the important thing too is you

1:24:56 ↗ know I know you guys are trying to track

1:24:58 ↗ all the various threads that come up

1:25:00 ↗ from the public from your fellow

1:25:02 ↗ commissioners in yourselves and being

1:25:04 ↗ able to go through and say yeah that one

1:25:06 ↗ was addressed for me this one's

1:25:08 ↗ addressed for me I still have questions

1:25:11 ↗ or concerns around this one I think

1:25:13 ↗ really lets us then you know we have

1:25:15 ↗ these these bases for just search saying

1:25:19 ↗ that one's done that one's done and this

1:25:21 ↗ is the one where we're going to spend

1:25:22 ↗ our time you know you guys just went

1:25:29 ↗ through this other responsibilities

1:25:32 ↗ which is the preliminary plat community

1:25:36 ↗ conference I think that was an outgrowth

1:25:41 ↗ of in in the urban villages Platzer

1:25:46 ↗ handle were handled totally differently

1:25:48 ↗ than in the rest of the city in the rest

1:25:51 ↗ of the city both the preliminary and

1:25:53 ↗ final plat goes to the Hearing Examiner

1:25:55 ↗ and I think that I don't know what you

1:25:58 ↗ guys are doing but final plots will

1:26:00 ↗ probably move to be just an

1:26:02 ↗ administrative decision the state has

1:26:04 ↗ allowed that and putting together the

1:26:06 ↗ stuff for a final plat in front of the

1:26:08 ↗ hearing examiner's so time-consuming and

1:26:10 ↗ really it's a technical review of

1:26:12 ↗ compliance and so I think we feel that

1:26:16 ↗ while you know you you spend all this

1:26:20 ↗ time on the technical stuff and then you

1:26:22 ↗ have to write a staff report

1:26:23 ↗ how what did I do with all this

1:26:25 ↗ technical stuff but in the urban

1:26:29 ↗ villages we would go to the Commission

1:26:32 ↗ and then we would go to the council and

1:26:36 ↗ the council made the decision so it

1:26:38 ↗ would take forever

1:26:39 ↗ first of all just because you had to you

1:26:41 ↗ know you had to get her an agenda bill

1:26:43 ↗ and then you would go to a committee and

1:26:44 ↗ then you come back to the full council

1:26:46 ↗ but I think one of the things that we

1:26:49 ↗ appreciated is that as much as these

1:26:54 ↗ activities are absolutely legal

1:26:57 ↗ activities that have to be done in

1:26:59 ↗ compliance with the law we're also

1:27:01 ↗ building community and there are often

1:27:04 ↗ things with some you know subjectivity

1:27:09 ↗ in terms of a performance standard or a

1:27:13 ↗ design guideline that we're looking for

1:27:17 ↗ input on in terms of whether we are

1:27:20 ↗ complying those are the things we really

1:27:22 ↗ like to have a conversation with you

1:27:24 ↗ because you know if they're supposed to

1:27:27 ↗ be 15 parking stalls and there's 15

1:27:29 ↗ parking stalls there may not be a lot to

1:27:31 ↗ talk about

1:27:32 ↗ but if is it pedestrian friendly that's

1:27:35 ↗ a great conversation and so I think that

1:27:40 ↗ was part of why we looked at having the

1:27:45 ↗ community conference with preliminary

1:27:48 ↗ plats and the urban villages and I think

1:27:51 ↗ that'll be one thing that will discuss

1:27:53 ↗ about whether we're going to do that

1:27:55 ↗ citywide as part of Title I team we're

1:27:58 ↗ trying to take aways all the like 18

1:28:00 ↗ different variations on things that were

1:28:03 ↗ doing

1:28:03 ↗ so that's and having gone through that

1:28:07 ↗ once I don't know if you have thoughts

1:28:09 ↗ about it I would certainly be interested

1:28:10 ↗ in hearing the Commission's thoughts

1:28:16 ↗ trying to recall the experience well it

1:28:19 ↗ was shelters plan yeah because a lot of

1:28:23 ↗ that experience something else but

1:28:26 ↗ I think you know administrative ly most

1:28:29 ↗ it's always the balance between how much

1:28:32 ↗ process are you going to put in front of

1:28:34 ↗ moving development through your system

1:28:39 ↗ versus trying to make sure you're from

1:28:42 ↗ an economic development and city in

1:28:44 ↗ community building standpoint trying to

1:28:46 ↗ create predictability and a fairly

1:28:47 ↗ smooth path to let the the appropriate

1:28:50 ↗ development happen that's what you're

1:28:51 ↗ looking for and so when it comes to the

1:28:54 ↗ plat process I don't know that we have a

1:28:57 ↗ ton of added value it is a very

1:28:59 ↗ technical conversation or exercise when

1:29:01 ↗ you're talking about planning a piece of

1:29:03 ↗ property it's really when you start you

1:29:06 ↗ know developing the projects that are

1:29:08 ↗ going to sit on top is where I think the

1:29:10 ↗ value-added comes back in from the

1:29:12 ↗ Commission I do think there would be you

1:29:14 ↗ know depending on where you want to take

1:29:17 ↗ the process there may be situations

1:29:19 ↗ where the staff is looking for some

1:29:21 ↗ feedback it's not a decision from the

1:29:23 ↗ Commission but it's a body that can

1:29:24 ↗ provide some it's a standing body that

1:29:28 ↗ we can provide some consult back to the

1:29:31 ↗ staff even though it may be an

1:29:33 ↗ administrative ultimately administrative

1:29:34 ↗ decision depending on where it ends up

1:29:36 ↗ the idea of sending plats through a

1:29:38 ↗ Hearing Examiner to the City Council for

1:29:40 ↗ decisions that would be very unusual

1:29:43 ↗ compared to what's going on I think

1:29:45 ↗ they're places I think the reason some

1:29:47 ↗ of the laws changed over time was just

1:29:49 ↗ because there was so much process in the

1:29:50 ↗ way and I think that the developers and

1:29:53 ↗ builders were successful in trying to

1:29:54 ↗ move something out of the way

1:29:56 ↗ but again it is it's always this

1:29:58 ↗ balancing act between how much process

1:30:01 ↗ and regulation and going to put in the

1:30:02 ↗ way versus trying to smooth the path of

1:30:04 ↗ what development happen and I you know

1:30:06 ↗ for a long time we did a lot of Platts I

1:30:10 ↗ mean I I don't even know how many Platts

1:30:14 ↗ I've done now but I would say probably

1:30:17 ↗ 80 or 90% of them are single-family

1:30:20 ↗ Platts and you know that's one thing and

1:30:26 ↗ then plots for non residential or

1:30:29 ↗ multifamily projects or another

1:30:31 ↗ and so I'm just not sure that we have

1:30:34 ↗ enough big pieces of land that it's

1:30:36 ↗ going to be a really key issue anyway

1:30:38 ↗ but just it's good to hear your thoughts

1:30:42 ↗ any part of the difficulty with

1:30:46 ↗ community confidence for shelter was

1:30:48 ↗ it's been a year listening to all the

1:30:52 ↗ stuff and really didn't learn anything

1:30:54 ↗ new and so at least in my case I didn't

1:30:57 ↗ think I learned very much new and so the

1:30:59 ↗ consequence of being able to have any

1:31:01 ↗ effective input in into it was pretty

1:31:05 ↗ pretty much taken away cuz although all

1:31:07 ↗ that had been already discussed at

1:31:09 ↗ length and I think it might have been

1:31:12 ↗ more profitable had we not had any

1:31:14 ↗ insight into it because we could have

1:31:17 ↗ you know we could have been a little

1:31:21 ↗ more interested in and objective in and

1:31:24 ↗ what our thoughts were and being able to

1:31:25 ↗ take a real hard look at it just seemed

1:31:28 ↗ like it was a duplication of what would

1:31:31 ↗ been through for a long time well and I

1:31:35 ↗ think one of the things that you know we

1:31:37 ↗ have only done community conferences for

1:31:40 ↗ site development permits up till now and

1:31:42 ↗ so this was a new thing and I think that

1:31:45 ↗ one of the questions is how do we

1:31:51 ↗ highlight for the Commission the policy

1:31:54 ↗ issues I mean that's one of the things

1:31:56 ↗ we do when we send agenda bills forward

1:31:58 ↗ is so I used a community conference

1:32:02 ↗ staff report for a site development

1:32:03 ↗ permit which in retrospect may not have

1:32:06 ↗ been the best starting point because it

1:32:09 ↗ it's there's so many more design

1:32:11 ↗ decisions in a site development permit

1:32:13 ↗ than there are in a plat and so it may

1:32:16 ↗ be more you know looking for some of

1:32:19 ↗ those performance standard questions and

1:32:24 ↗ highlighting that to help the Commission

1:32:27 ↗ sort of focus on the part that isn't

1:32:30 ↗ prescriptive and therefore you know

1:32:33 ↗ doesn't really have a lot of very

1:32:35 ↗ variation or consideration involved with

1:32:39 ↗ it

1:32:40 ↗ I was I was frankly confused by it I'm

1:32:43 ↗ like that's not a hard thing to do but I

1:32:48 ↗ didn't know what our role was or what I

1:32:50 ↗ was doing so I think highlighting some

1:32:52 ↗ of that you know just for at least my

1:32:55 ↗ purpose those people I just didn't know

1:32:57 ↗ what I was supposed to do so he felt a

1:32:59 ↗ little stale history so I felt like I

1:33:08 ↗ was missing a lot

1:33:11 ↗ kind of like the Downton Abbey movie I

1:33:13 ↗ [Laughter]

1:33:18 ↗ so some you know I I don't know that all

1:33:24 ↗ of these are changes but just things for

1:33:26 ↗ you to know so first of all the thing I

1:33:28 ↗ think we I sent you the agenda bill the

1:33:31 ↗ you VDC the urban village development

1:33:33 ↗ Commission's duties have been assigned

1:33:35 ↗ to development commission and planning

1:33:38 ↗ policy Commission and so that just means

1:33:42 ↗ more work for you

1:33:44 ↗ [Music]

1:33:45 ↗ title 18 I just want you to know so

1:33:49 ↗ title 18 I'm sorry I'm speaking in code

1:33:50 ↗ the Squa Municipal Code title 18 is the

1:33:54 ↗ land use code that's the ones that you

1:33:55 ↗ are typically reviewing your projects

1:33:59 ↗ against so Title 18 we're basically we

1:34:05 ↗ have a consultant we're rewriting it we

1:34:10 ↗ I think the main the main impetus is to

1:34:15 ↗ there's one section of Title 18 where

1:34:19 ↗ Old Town Central is Co Highlands and

1:34:23 ↗ Talas are all stuffed in this one

1:34:24 ↗ chapter and then whatever's not in there

1:34:28 ↗ for that part of town you go to the next

1:34:31 ↗ section you go to the next it's very

1:34:33 ↗ unused friendly for both staff and

1:34:36 ↗ applicants so part of it is to pull all

1:34:40 ↗ of this apart and put it together in a

1:34:43 ↗ sort of proper form and to make it

1:34:47 ↗ easier for people to understand

1:34:49 ↗ and find their way through but there are

1:34:53 ↗ some different things that we're doing

1:34:54 ↗ along the way

1:34:56 ↗ and so as one of the key users I just

1:35:02 ↗ want you to know that we consider you

1:35:03 ↗ guys a stakeholder and at some point we

1:35:05 ↗ will be coming to you to talk about

1:35:07 ↗ various pieces there is also there's a

1:35:14 ↗ separate consultant for the sign code

1:35:16 ↗ there's another pair of consultants for

1:35:18 ↗ critical areas after the Evergreen Ford

1:35:22 ↗ fun council was interested in not just

1:35:32 ↗ you know a lot of things are just being

1:35:34 ↗ carried forward and reformatted and just

1:35:38 ↗ being brought into legal compliance with

1:35:40 ↗ any state codes or changes but what

1:35:43 ↗ we've done is we've hired a geotechnical

1:35:46 ↗ firm and critical air you know like a

1:35:49 ↗ streams wetlands and aquifer consultant

1:35:55 ↗ to actually come in and make sure we're

1:35:57 ↗ using best available science to make

1:36:00 ↗ sure we're consistent with state code

1:36:04 ↗ we've also this year been updating the

1:36:06 ↗ shoreline master program that effort is

1:36:11 ↗ almost done but you know all of these

1:36:13 ↗ pieces are sort of it's it's a big lift

1:36:16 ↗ that's huge it's it's mostly keeping me

1:36:19 ↗ and I don't it I mean we have

1:36:21 ↗ consultants but they you know they pesky

1:36:25 ↗ people have questions yes I mean when

1:36:28 ↗ kracko can open any section of your land

1:36:30 ↗ use code just by itself like just doing

1:36:33 ↗ shorelines or critical areas but

1:36:36 ↗ cracking open multiple at a time is

1:36:39 ↗ that's a big undertaking well I mean

1:36:42 ↗ some sections are relatively new like

1:36:45 ↗ our wireless section for instance we're

1:36:47 ↗ not really making any changes there

1:36:50 ↗ other

1:36:51 ↗ parts of the code have been around since

1:36:53 ↗ 1996 I mean it's just old and and then

1:36:57 ↗ they're the pieces that are our newer

1:37:00 ↗ for say central is clogged I think we're

1:37:05 ↗ trying to figure out some of the pieces

1:37:07 ↗ how to make them more user-friendly

1:37:09 ↗ you know the urban design section of the

1:37:12 ↗ design manual I think we're thinking

1:37:14 ↗ that may get more integrated into some

1:37:16 ↗ of the not to change any of the content

1:37:20 ↗ because I think we think it's the right

1:37:21 ↗ tools but pull it into the site design

1:37:25 ↗ and things so that it's you know the

1:37:28 ↗ architecture is the last piece but the

1:37:30 ↗ urban designs a little further up front

1:37:32 ↗ we're still exploring that the park

1:37:36 ↗ strategic plan was adopted last year we

1:37:39 ↗ need to there's the green necklace so

1:37:42 ↗ there's code necessary to implement that

1:37:45 ↗ so that's a part of the title 18 update

1:37:47 ↗ as well and one other thing I thought

1:37:52 ↗ about with Kevin's comment is you will

1:37:56 ↗ have another sort of design manual

1:37:58 ↗ coming your way which is as part of the

1:38:01 ↗ old town area plan or I'm not getting

1:38:05 ↗ the name quite right but the old town

1:38:07 ↗ plan there are there's an interest in

1:38:11 ↗ architectural standards and so there are

1:38:15 ↗ right now standards old town standards

1:38:18 ↗ but they're kind of outdated and they're

1:38:20 ↗ difficult to use it's a very specific

1:38:22 ↗ palette of paints for instance not

1:38:25 ↗ necessarily that the colors are wrong

1:38:27 ↗ but just it's the way it's hard for

1:38:29 ↗ staff to use and we've hired a

1:38:33 ↗ consultant she's actually out of

1:38:36 ↗ Colorado and just from some of the

1:38:41 ↗ initial stuff I've seen I'm really

1:38:43 ↗ excited by what she's doing she's been

1:38:45 ↗ doing a lot of evaluation of you know

1:38:47 ↗ because

1:38:48 ↗ this is going to be standards maybe for

1:38:50 ↗ single family because that was some of

1:38:53 ↗ the concern as how some of the

1:38:55 ↗ neighborhoods are changing so in

1:38:57 ↗ addition to what we have for front

1:39:00 ↗ street there was directive to do this

1:39:03 ↗ for residential but what does that mean

1:39:06 ↗ so now we're just starting to have those

1:39:08 ↗ conversations with the community I think

1:39:11 ↗ in January we're going to do a walking

1:39:13 ↗ tour and so at some point because those

1:39:17 ↗ may very well be something that you're

1:39:19 ↗ implementing I would imagine so those

1:39:21 ↗ would be standards that would be

1:39:23 ↗ applicable to other the neighborhood

1:39:24 ↗ stood at joined the old town area or in

1:39:27 ↗ the old town area or is it citywide no

1:39:29 ↗ no so that's her old town I will say

1:39:34 ↗ that we have almost no standards for

1:39:37 ↗ single-family right now and I'm not

1:39:40 ↗ really interested in regulating

1:39:41 ↗ architecture I've been there but I do

1:39:46 ↗ think from an urban design and sort of

1:39:48 ↗ site planning perspective there may be

1:39:50 ↗ some things that we want to look at we

1:39:54 ↗ did that with his Co Highlands and talus

1:39:57 ↗ because we'd been doing this for a long

1:39:59 ↗ time so we put something out that that

1:40:02 ↗ was adopted as part of their replacement

1:40:04 ↗ regulations and since we're pulling that

1:40:06 ↗ into the code we have to consider is

1:40:08 ↗ that only going to be for Eska Highlands

1:40:10 ↗ and talus or might some of those y2

1:40:14 ↗ single-family so those are the kinds of

1:40:17 ↗ conversations where we're having and

1:40:19 ↗ that will get rolled out and I'm sure

1:40:21 ↗ will result in lively conversations

1:40:30 ↗ that's all I had to tell you

1:40:35 ↗ you had one input on the DC review

1:40:38 ↗ process kind of just for us I thought

1:40:41 ↗ what might be we talked about how it's

1:40:44 ↗ evolved over time and just from just the

1:40:46 ↗ mechanics of the meeting especially for

1:40:48 ↗ kind of the new members one thing that

1:40:52 ↗ gets it's a nuance but it can be

1:40:55 ↗ confusing is when we're doing like the

1:40:57 ↗ community conference which is the first

1:40:58 ↗ the introduction of the project to the

1:41:00 ↗ Commission's so we can get initial

1:41:03 ↗ feedback and public hearing so the

1:41:05 ↗ public can provide input so generally

1:41:07 ↗ the way the chair handles it is you know

1:41:11 ↗ do you have questions the first part of

1:41:13 ↗ the conversations about questions and so

1:41:15 ↗ we try to stay on asking questions to

1:41:17 ↗ staff or questions to the applicant or

1:41:20 ↗ their their team and then we then the

1:41:24 ↗ second part of that is after we cut have

1:41:26 ↗ gone through the Q&A period we go to

1:41:28 ↗ comments so then we give our individual

1:41:30 ↗ feedback so we kind of go down the line

1:41:32 ↗ or where the chair decides he wants to

1:41:35 ↗ start in this case and say you know

1:41:37 ↗ here's what what I think about the

1:41:39 ↗ project and things I like about it

1:41:41 ↗ things that I think we need to do some

1:41:43 ↗ additional work or exploration around so

1:41:46 ↗ then the staff has in the applicant have

1:41:48 ↗ not only this dialogue of a

1:41:50 ↗ back-and-forth to create a better

1:41:51 ↗ understanding what they were trying to

1:41:53 ↗ accomplish with their design but then

1:41:55 ↗ our direct feedback and then if there

1:41:58 ↗ are things that we want them to

1:41:59 ↗ specifically produce to come back with

1:42:03 ↗ different elevation of some sort or

1:42:05 ↗ different material type that we'd like

1:42:07 ↗ to see what that do or project then they

1:42:10 ↗ we would ask for that and then they

1:42:11 ↗ would bring that back and that would be

1:42:12 ↗ in the follow-up discussion try to be

1:42:16 ↗ reasonable

1:42:18 ↗ enough to give us because there have

1:42:20 ↗ been some instances where the design you

1:42:22 ↗ know the the level of detail wasn't at a

1:42:24 ↗ point where we were really comfortable

1:42:25 ↗ being able to make a decision and some

1:42:27 ↗ of the feedback was you got to give this

1:42:29 ↗ one you got to give us a materials board

1:42:32 ↗ and color palettes and more information

1:42:35 ↗ about you know how the landscaping

1:42:36 ↗ design is going to evolve and things

1:42:39 ↗ like that so I so just the mechanics of

1:42:42 ↗ the meeting I think that's been pretty

1:42:44 ↗ useful I think and a successful way to

1:42:47 ↗ just kind of get through it and then try

1:42:49 ↗ to be more disciplined in how we give

1:42:51 ↗ that feedback so we're not scattered all

1:42:53 ↗ over between questions and comments and

1:42:55 ↗ yeah because I think that's what have

1:42:57 ↗ been one of the things that over the

1:42:58 ↗ years we've had issues with as

1:43:01 ↗ commissioners that would start in with

1:43:05 ↗ comments and said maybe ask a question

1:43:07 ↗ of the applicant and get it response and

1:43:10 ↗ then start to give feedback to that and

1:43:11 ↗ say well here I think this about that

1:43:14 ↗ and so forth and it's really more just

1:43:16 ↗ getting all those questions out of the

1:43:18 ↗ way before we give those comments back

1:43:20 ↗ and so I'll just tell you the you BDC

1:43:23 ↗ just throws everything at us we will

1:43:26 ↗ handle it whatever way you'd want to

1:43:27 ↗ deliver it to us I mean it is very handy

1:43:30 ↗ that it's divided into those two

1:43:32 ↗ sections but it's not it's not necessary

1:43:36 ↗ for staff we can figure it out I think

1:43:38 ↗ it's really what serves your purpose and

1:43:40 ↗ then helps you move through this process

1:43:42 ↗ in in a way that's meaningful to you and

1:43:46 ↗ you know yeah and one question I guess

1:43:53 ↗ in a community conference you know in a

1:43:55 ↗ regular like a site development permit

1:43:57 ↗ applicant public is just chance to come

1:44:01 ↗ in and then we close the public comment

1:44:04 ↗ we need conference what we always do the

1:44:07 ↗ same when we essentially close public

1:44:08 ↗ comment or would we still in essence or

1:44:11 ↗ leave it open because it's it's not

1:44:13 ↗ quasi-judicial and stuff right so I

1:44:16 ↗ think that's the key point Mel when it's

1:44:19 ↗ a public hearing it has a much more

1:44:22 ↗ structured and set of steps I'm trying

1:44:27 ↗ to if I can get a quiet moment I've

1:44:31 ↗ gotten a lot of feedback from the

1:44:33 ↗ clerk's about I mean I think they've

1:44:35 ↗ been learning a lot through the

1:44:38 ↗ intensity of things that have been

1:44:40 ↗ happening over the last year with

1:44:42 ↗ certain recommendations about how how to

1:44:47 ↗ sort of meet requirements better you

1:44:50 ↗ know scripts for various pieces so I'm

1:44:54 ↗ I'm working on trying to get some of

1:44:56 ↗ that put together but I think that the

1:44:59 ↗ point that you highlighted is public

1:45:04 ↗ hearing is a very formal prescribed

1:45:07 ↗ legal process a public meeting like a

1:45:11 ↗ community conference is not unlike the

1:45:14 ↗ process we're doing tonight there it's

1:45:16 ↗ only proscribed by what you choose to do

1:45:19 ↗ and so if you if you want it to be an

1:45:23 ↗ ongoing dialogue through the whole

1:45:25 ↗ meeting if you set aside a portion of

1:45:29 ↗ time and then you change your mind

1:45:31 ↗ there's nothing that requires that you

1:45:34 ↗ have to open it and close it or you

1:45:36 ↗ can't take comment later on or call

1:45:39 ↗ someone back up because you don't people

1:45:42 ↗ are disagreeing about what that comment

1:45:44 ↗ meant I mean

1:45:45 ↗ it's a much more informal okay and we

1:45:48 ↗ still have the ability though in say

1:45:50 ↗ site development permit if we had a

1:45:53 ↗ question to say somebody from the public

1:45:55 ↗ would close the public hearing

1:45:57 ↗ we're discussing in a lot of question

1:46:00 ↗ about what so and so remember the public

1:46:03 ↗ said we could still I think you bring

1:46:06 ↗ the balcony and at least the chair could

1:46:11 ↗ I guess and right and there would be

1:46:13 ↗ certain requirements in doing that okay

1:46:18 ↗ go ahead

1:46:19 ↗ just on the just the community

1:46:22 ↗ conference versus the public hearing so

1:46:23 ↗ the community conference you're right I

1:46:26 ↗ think it is and we've done it both ways

1:46:27 ↗ where we've actually had members of the

1:46:29 ↗ public kind of weighing in at different

1:46:31 ↗ points along the way but we try to

1:46:33 ↗ compartmentalize it a little bit say

1:46:35 ↗ there's a period of time we want to hear

1:46:37 ↗ from them the community but then there

1:46:39 ↗ may be some follow-ups I think we have

1:46:40 ↗ to be careful we don't want to it really

1:46:43 ↗ depends on the project and its prejudice

1:46:45 ↗ we've you have a roomful of people it's

1:46:46 ↗ pretty amped up having you could get

1:46:50 ↗ into a really uncontrolled dialogue if

1:46:53 ↗ you don't put parameters around it so

1:46:56 ↗ keeping it more rigid about this the

1:46:58 ↗ time for comments from the community and

1:47:00 ↗ then the commission would have its

1:47:02 ↗ discussion is good as soon as this is in

1:47:06 ↗ front of us it's quasi-judicial whether

1:47:08 ↗ it's community conference or not i mean

1:47:09 ↗ it's a so see it's an application that's

1:47:11 ↗ in front of the Commission so we have to

1:47:13 ↗ we better follow the rules I think you

1:47:15 ↗ have to follow the rules but because

1:47:17 ↗ there can only be one public hearing so

1:47:19 ↗ that would be the community conference

1:47:21 ↗ cannot be treated as a public hearing

1:47:23 ↗ but

1:47:23 ↗ and we can do the later segment but I

1:47:27 ↗ mean I and you make a really good point

1:47:29 ↗ you know the nature of things is

1:47:31 ↗ changing I think I think as long as

1:47:37 ↗ we're not looking like we're capricious

1:47:40 ↗ from one permit to another I think that

1:47:44 ↗ the structure can vary to some extent I

1:47:48 ↗ think you can be as structured or as

1:47:50 ↗ unstructured as you want to be but I

1:47:53 ↗ wouldn't I think Mike makes a really

1:47:56 ↗ good point you wouldn't want to be

1:47:58 ↗ totally unstructured for one permit and

1:48:01 ↗ then hardcore structure for the next one

1:48:04 ↗ at the community Adam because someone

1:48:07 ↗ might say I'm being treated unfairly and

1:48:10 ↗ they might that might be a valid

1:48:11 ↗ complaint even though one had 50 angry

1:48:15 ↗ citizens and one had one curious

1:48:18 ↗ neighbor which might be the reason that

1:48:21 ↗ you do it but you shouldn't vary too

1:48:24 ↗ much because it can look like you're

1:48:25 ↗ showing favoritism or not treating

1:48:28 ↗ people equally yeah if I could have a

1:48:31 ↗ clarification apologies maybe I'm

1:48:32 ↗ misunderstanding but the community

1:48:35 ↗ conference is that first initial step

1:48:38 ↗ that Development Commission has evolved

1:48:39 ↗ in after the pre-op and I have I been

1:48:43 ↗ part of a community conference or just

1:48:44 ↗ the public hearing so this is the

1:48:47 ↗ challenge of the city of its quoi with

1:48:49 ↗ so many different codes in different

1:48:50 ↗ parts of the city some parts of the city

1:48:53 ↗ don't use community conferences and so

1:48:57 ↗ centralist squad doesn't for instance

1:48:59 ↗ and so many of you have not had a

1:49:03 ↗ community conference and then there are

1:49:06 ↗ other parts of town

1:49:08 ↗ it's typically a community conference

1:49:10 ↗ super early

1:49:11 ↗ not long after the pre-op and then you

1:49:16 ↗ won't you might not see the project

1:49:18 ↗ again for a year or two years but while

1:49:21 ↗ they get all their stuff together and

1:49:22 ↗ come back we write the staff report and

1:49:25 ↗ bring it to you so that's what we're

1:49:28 ↗ working on right now is trying to

1:49:30 ↗ regularize that so that for staff and

1:49:35 ↗ applicants and commissioners it's much

1:49:37 ↗ more predictable what process it is no

1:49:41 ↗ matter what part of the city you're in

1:49:42 ↗ so any conferences for before central

1:49:46 ↗ Issaquah since we didn't deal with urban

1:49:49 ↗ villages essentially everything was a

1:49:51 ↗ community conference and then hearing up

1:50:02 ↗ and that was the community conference

1:50:05 ↗ here in this location okay yeah and I

1:50:08 ↗ think the other thing that that we

1:50:14 ↗ struggle with and and I'm just riffing

1:50:16 ↗ on something Mike said is and as many of

1:50:22 ↗ you with the things that you deal with

1:50:25 ↗ in your real life you know we get

1:50:31 ↗ applicants who come in at all different

1:50:33 ↗ levels of detail you know part of the

1:50:38 ↗ land use process is to try and get

1:50:40 ↗ everyone pointed in the right direction

1:50:42 ↗ and make sure that the basic kind of you

1:50:45 ↗ know broad framework of the project is

1:50:48 ↗ correct they have enough parking the

1:50:49 ↗ entrances and a

1:50:50 ↗ location they could get the utilities in

1:50:52 ↗ and serve it the building is placed in

1:50:55 ↗ the right place what what we're trying

1:50:58 ↗ not to do is basically have a building

1:51:01 ↗ permit in front of you because that's a

1:51:03 ↗ huge investment with a great deal of

1:51:06 ↗ uncertainty and yet what we find is both

1:51:10 ↗ there's a desire to know a lot about a

1:51:13 ↗ project which is completely

1:51:15 ↗ understandable you want to feel

1:51:16 ↗ confident in what you're making a

1:51:18 ↗ recommendation on and the other piece of

1:51:21 ↗ it is just technology I mean we see

1:51:24 ↗ these crazy detailed stuff coming in to

1:51:26 ↗ us that's almost like a building permit

1:51:28 ↗ and and that makes us a little us a

1:51:33 ↗ little fearful because it means that

1:51:35 ↗ they've invested this huge amount of

1:51:37 ↗ design if we want to move something one

1:51:39 ↗ foot they're gonna say you know that's

1:51:40 ↗ hundreds of thousands of dollars and so

1:51:43 ↗ we're always trying to strike that

1:51:45 ↗ balance between getting you guys the

1:51:48 ↗ level of detail so you have a good sense

1:51:50 ↗ of what you're approving that they feel

1:51:53 ↗ like they've shown things to you and and

1:51:58 ↗ yet that they aren't so locked down so

1:52:01 ↗ designed that we cannot have the kinds

1:52:04 ↗ of thoughtful interactive conversation

1:52:07 ↗ about

1:52:08 ↗ how we're meeting the regulations and so

1:52:11 ↗ in public comment factors the come down

1:52:14 ↗ the format because I was confused are we

1:52:16 ↗ are we allowed to or expect you to shape

1:52:18 ↗ and inform some of what they're doing

1:52:23 ↗ for instance like you know phrases like

1:52:26 ↗ be sure to pay attention to that buffer

1:52:28 ↗ or you know just encouraging them to

1:52:32 ↗ think about certain aspects of the

1:52:34 ↗ design as we review it or is it just a

1:52:36 ↗ question and answer period or can we

1:52:39 ↗ make comments that well so that's a

1:52:45 ↗ great question

1:52:47 ↗ like the public you can comment on kind

1:52:51 ↗ of anything I think you may not be able

1:52:53 ↗ to condition it if there's not a code

1:52:55 ↗ basis right I you know I think most

1:53:01 ↗ applicants are interested in doing a

1:53:05 ↗ project that the community will be happy

1:53:07 ↗ to see I you know I tend not to rein in

1:53:14 ↗ and draw a bright line with

1:53:16 ↗ commissioners I want you all engaged I

1:53:18 ↗ want you interested I learned things

1:53:20 ↗ from you that may make me say I need to

1:53:22 ↗ add something to the code the next time

1:53:25 ↗ we're opening it up and I think it tells

1:53:31 ↗ an applicant you know if I have if I'm

1:53:34 ↗ choosing between x and y and that buffer

1:53:36 ↗ let's say why don't I do Y that's what

1:53:40 ↗ they wanted you know that old everybody

1:53:42 ↗ will make people happy that's the other

1:53:45 ↗ piece I would say I'm interested in

1:53:49 ↗ Ben's take on this is you know for a

1:53:52 ↗ long time I worked in the urban villages

1:53:54 ↗ and we didn't get to look at specific

1:53:56 ↗ plants we don't look at colors materials

1:53:59 ↗ we'd only look at elevations from really

1:54:02 ↗ an urban design perspective but Sarah

1:54:06 ↗ hoye who is the executive director

1:54:08 ↗ has been for a number of years she comes

1:54:10 ↗ to all the all the UB DC meetings we

1:54:14 ↗ used to have and I I kind of think that

1:54:16 ↗ what she was hearing was informing kind

1:54:19 ↗ of how the AR C then went back to look

1:54:21 ↗ at it because people would give feedback

1:54:23 ↗ about it now

1:54:24 ↗ she doesn't have to make it blue because

1:54:27 ↗ everyone says they want it blue but at

1:54:29 ↗ least she knew going into it that the

1:54:31 ↗ feedback was this should be blue and so

1:54:36 ↗ you know I don't think they're hard

1:54:39 ↗ super bright lines I do think there are

1:54:42 ↗ times when if commissioners get way over

1:54:45 ↗ the line and they say you know I think

1:54:47 ↗ that's beyond the scope of what you can

1:54:49 ↗ do okay thank you that felt like I saw

1:54:54 ↗ that you know a lot with you know Jeff

1:54:56 ↗ who was very vocal during UVC and in

1:54:59 ↗ just questioning questioning questioning

1:55:00 ↗ questioning I think the committee also

1:55:04 ↗ forgets Walker with the chair prison for

1:55:06 ↗ a very long time and so yeah I mean to

1:55:10 ↗ answer your question I do think you know

1:55:11 ↗ it may factor to some degree there's

1:55:13 ↗ it's a very complex community

1:55:16 ↗ organization up there and that actually

1:55:18 ↗ falls under theirs believe it or not for

1:55:22 ↗ different AR cities up there that deal

1:55:24 ↗ with how things are built out in style

1:55:29 ↗ and all that kind of stuff so I think

1:55:31 ↗ community input you know whether it's

1:55:33 ↗ here whether it's there anywhere does

1:55:35 ↗ factor it's what people want but there

1:55:37 ↗ also has to be this balance of you know

1:55:40 ↗ even if you dial it back down to like I

1:55:41 ↗ said this very small thing of just

1:55:44 ↗ architectural reviewing a home color

1:55:47 ↗ it's keeping the balance between the

1:55:51 ↗ greater good if that makes sense like

1:55:53 ↗ okay that you know this may be one

1:55:55 ↗ person may want to do this but is it

1:55:57 ↗ going to

1:55:58 ↗ cuts for the people down the street to

1:55:59 ↗ call up and yell and say this is

1:56:01 ↗ ridiculous and that doesn't make sense

1:56:03 ↗ something so also just wonder if anybody

1:56:08 ↗ has commissioners have questions about

1:56:10 ↗ how this all works or even suggestions

1:56:14 ↗ we've been here for a while how we can

1:56:15 ↗ do it better

1:56:16 ↗ need to speak it form because we don't

1:56:18 ↗ really get to do this when we're sitting

1:56:20 ↗ in one one thing I want to put out there

1:56:26 ↗ is that maybe someone for new

1:56:30 ↗ commissioners but I think for for all of

1:56:32 ↗ us is a couple things one is during the

1:56:36 ↗ question period

1:56:40 ↗ if somebody's raising the question I

1:56:42 ↗ think it can help other commissioners to

1:56:44 ↗ accept that they've got the same

1:56:45 ↗ questions to be jumping in as well and

1:56:47 ↗ something when we get sometimes in

1:56:52 ↗ questions but a lot of times in comments

1:56:53 ↗ I know I'm never afraid to talk and I

1:56:56 ↗ get afraid sometimes it then I'll make a

1:56:58 ↗ comment about something and I like to

1:57:01 ↗ hear other commissioners in the same

1:57:04 ↗ things sometimes because I really

1:57:09 ↗ appreciate all the commissioners we have

1:57:11 ↗ and all the different viewpoints there's

1:57:12 ↗ a lot of times they'll come into a

1:57:13 ↗ meeting I've read something I think this

1:57:15 ↗ about it and they'll bring it up and

1:57:17 ↗ then I'll hear their thoughts about it

1:57:19 ↗ they go wait I'm missing something there

1:57:21 ↗ or Lucy correct something and so I think

1:57:26 ↗ it's really helpful if somebody does

1:57:28 ↗ bring up a question or a specific

1:57:30 ↗ comment to get everybody's input on it

1:57:33 ↗ whether it's just see I agree or notice

1:57:36 ↗ crazier here's a way I view it instead

1:57:38 ↗ and I never want to talk so much like

1:57:41 ↗ I'm right now I guess - feel like I'm

1:57:44 ↗ precluding other people from voice in

1:57:46 ↗ their opinions because I think that's

1:57:48 ↗ really valuable about our commissioners

1:57:50 ↗ all the different viewpoints we have

1:57:52 ↗ what I also think that you see that

1:57:54 ↗ dialogue

1:57:55 ↗ other you know it grows right into

1:57:58 ↗ something something might start is one

1:57:59 ↗ topic it spawns into other things that

1:58:02 ↗ end up you know refining whatever the

1:58:04 ↗ original question was yeah yeah because

1:58:08 ↗ I'll often just yield if somebody

1:58:10 ↗ covered with I have ruminating in my

1:58:12 ↗ head I'm like glad they got it

1:58:14 ↗ you know it's out there let it just sort

1:58:16 ↗ of play out and I'll often not say

1:58:18 ↗ anything for that reason not that you're

1:58:20 ↗ taking of the air and I'm not suggesting

1:58:22 ↗ that I mean to that anybody they will

1:58:24 ↗ say it and I was thinking the same thing

1:58:26 ↗ like well is that useful don't say it so

1:58:29 ↗ but do you know it might be what they do

1:58:32 ↗ it counsel and and it might you might

1:58:35 ↗ think about your own version of this is

1:58:37 ↗ if a speaker comes up to the microphone

1:58:40 ↗ and says you know I want all the houses

1:58:43 ↗ to be blue and when they're done talking

1:58:45 ↗ they have people in the audience raise

1:58:48 ↗ their hand if they concur and the reason

1:58:52 ↗ I mentioned that is you know sometimes

1:58:54 ↗ when we're working with applicants it's

1:58:55 ↗ hard for them to know was that just Mel

1:58:58 ↗ or is that all a commission is in

1:59:01 ↗ concurrence on that or for instance if

1:59:04 ↗ half of you thought it should be red and

1:59:07 ↗ half of you thought it should be blue

1:59:09 ↗ then we can go away and sort of say okay

1:59:12 ↗ what are we going to do with this and so

1:59:14 ↗ I do think it might be useful as people

1:59:17 ↗ make comments to then say you know how

1:59:21 ↗ many other commissioners would we're

1:59:23 ↗ planning to share the same comment or

1:59:24 ↗ something so that we sort of have a

1:59:26 ↗ sense of is this one's person's issue or

1:59:29 ↗ is this the commissioners issue I think

1:59:32 ↗ another thing that has been helpful on

1:59:33 ↗ that because I totally get that because

1:59:35 ↗ are you just responding to one or do we

1:59:37 ↗ need a plan you know blue and red

1:59:40 ↗ together making new color

1:59:42 ↗ whatever that is so but in summary

1:59:52 ↗ comments to so when we're if we follow

1:59:54 ↗ the process of we're talking about a

1:59:57 ↗ community conference you can reflect

2:00:00 ↗ back on what other people have said and

2:00:02 ↗ I agree with what commissioner Morgan

2:00:04 ↗ said about the roof configuration and I

2:00:07 ↗ think we need to do something that's

2:00:08 ↗ more interesting and maybe has a steeper

2:00:11 ↗ P course on whatever it's up but so

2:00:13 ↗ you're kind of confirming so that

2:00:15 ↗ there's staff and the app can know that

2:00:18 ↗ it's the majority or if there's a

2:00:19 ↗ division on the Commission yeah very

2:00:21 ↗ different points of view and then they

2:00:23 ↗ huddle afterwards going out what we're

2:00:24 ↗ gonna do but but they can sort that out

2:00:27 ↗ and then you know we can you know I

2:00:29 ↗ think speak more as a single body

2:00:32 ↗ instead of a bunch of individuals that

2:00:34 ↗ they're trying to figure out what it

2:00:36 ↗ means yeah I think it's probably more

2:00:40 ↗ for me the operating norm would be more

2:00:43 ↗ consistent with if you if you agree you

2:00:45 ↗ don't need to say anything but if you

2:00:47 ↗ disagree that what you know the point is

2:00:49 ↗ is that when somebody brings up a point

2:00:52 ↗ on kind of the same place where if I

2:00:53 ↗ agree with it I'd I don't have any

2:00:55 ↗ proper I don't say anything you know but

2:00:57 ↗ I think I've seen on the board where the

2:01:00 ↗ Commission where when somebody said

2:01:02 ↗ something and people didn't agree they

2:01:04 ↗ were more weren't hesitant at all to say

2:01:06 ↗ well I don't agree with that I think

2:01:07 ↗ this that or the other so I'm not sure

2:01:11 ↗ what what what both

2:01:18 ↗ steeper and more complex my could say +1

2:01:23 ↗ to the roof comments I mean I think it

2:01:25 ↗ could be brief but just give that

2:01:28 ↗ because it is a challenge we go away and

2:01:31 ↗ you know we have all these comments and

2:01:33 ↗ we're trying to sort of figure out which

2:01:35 ↗ are the key ones and are we just

2:01:36 ↗ responding to one person or not

2:01:38 ↗ but I also think that the other piece

2:01:42 ↗ that you're bringing up is really

2:01:44 ↗ encouraging a robust conversation and I

2:01:48 ↗ think sometimes if you're the only

2:01:49 ↗ person if you feel like you're the only

2:01:51 ↗ person who disagrees you may not I mean

2:01:55 ↗ Seattle nice so you know I'm not I'm

2:02:00 ↗ obviously not shy about talking about

2:02:03 ↗ things from other perspectives but not

2:02:05 ↗ everyone feels that way and I I guess I

2:02:07 ↗ think I I just really want to encourage

2:02:09 ↗ that because I think you're a very

2:02:10 ↗ respectful professional organization

2:02:14 ↗ this isn't intended to be personal I

2:02:16 ↗ don't think you you guys ever make at

2:02:19 ↗ that and I think it's important I think

2:02:21 ↗ all of you are really thoughtful

2:02:23 ↗ reviewers and you bring up a different

2:02:25 ↗ viewpoint as Mel said you might walk in

2:02:26 ↗ the door with one thing and you sort of

2:02:28 ↗ if no one says who's thinking well I

2:02:32 ↗ don't think it should be steeper right I

2:02:34 ↗ think it's plenty steep I think that's

2:02:36 ↗ gonna be too visible from oxide or you

2:02:40 ↗ know whatever it is that's a great

2:02:42 ↗ conversation to have because a lot of

2:02:45 ↗ times those things are performance

2:02:47 ↗ standards or or a guideline and

2:02:49 ↗ therefore you're trying to you know kind

2:02:52 ↗ of massage it and make sure it's at the

2:02:54 ↗ right spot well that's one thing too I

2:02:56 ↗ talked a number of people into

2:02:58 ↗ volunteering even for small roles and

2:03:00 ↗ you know that I think the common

2:03:03 ↗ pushback I get is I'm not qualified I

2:03:05 ↗ don't have experience I don't know what

2:03:07 ↗ I'm doing

2:03:07 ↗ I'm talking about and that's the great

2:03:09 ↗ part about a committee is that even if I

2:03:11 ↗ say something that maybe doesn't make a

2:03:14 ↗ lot of sense or maybe there's a piece of

2:03:15 ↗ it somebody can grab onto and say well I

2:03:17 ↗ do know about that I know how to how to

2:03:19 ↗ rephrase that or whatever to bring it

2:03:21 ↗ and make make it more relevant to what

2:03:23 ↗ we're talking about so I think that

2:03:25 ↗ aspects really important yeah sometimes

2:03:30 ↗ you know I'm guilty of kind of holding

2:03:32 ↗ back because I hear a variation of

2:03:34 ↗ something too and you know at times

2:03:36 ↗ there are subtle differences between the

2:03:37 ↗ different comments that commissioners

2:03:40 ↗ may provide so so I completely agree and

2:03:43 ↗ I want to make sure personally I that I

2:03:45 ↗ that I speak up and obviously you know

2:03:49 ↗ show my my thoughts and express my

2:03:52 ↗ thoughts and opinions about something

2:03:54 ↗ and it's a little transparency right I

2:03:56 ↗ mean when you've got the public there

2:03:57 ↗ and represent you know representatives

2:03:59 ↗ from you know who knows where right

2:04:02 ↗ observing me you know we got to educate

2:04:06 ↗ not just the the applicant but but those

2:04:09 ↗ but those of you in you know the

2:04:11 ↗ presentations one thing I would add on

2:04:24 ↗ sort of the converse over the years

2:04:27 ↗ there you know have been times when

2:04:29 ↗ people vote against something I and of

2:04:33 ↗ course that's everyone's right to do it

2:04:34 ↗ but if you're going to do that I need

2:04:37 ↗ you to know that I'm going to be asking

2:04:39 ↗ for you to identify why you're voting

2:04:41 ↗ against something I I think one of the

2:04:45 ↗ challenges is that I think some

2:04:48 ↗ commissioners have viewed it as they

2:04:51 ↗ kind of they don't like it so they're

2:04:53 ↗ voting against it and and while it's

2:04:57 ↗ your vote you get to use it as you

2:05:00 ↗ choose for the record we need to explain

2:05:03 ↗ why you know why someone's voting

2:05:06 ↗ against it and especially if it was to

2:05:11 ↗ actually deny the permit I mean it's one

2:05:14 ↗ thing if it's one person and it's still

2:05:16 ↗ going to pass but if the Commission was

2:05:21 ↗ going to deny a permit then we would

2:05:23 ↗ probably have to pull every single one

2:05:25 ↗ of you and ask for the basis of why

2:05:28 ↗ you're doing that so I just you know

2:05:30 ↗ because that's why I always give you the

2:05:33 ↗ go through the due process that it has

2:05:37 ↗ to be substantive that we have to be as

2:05:41 ↗ much as we're here to have you represent

2:05:44 ↗ the community we also are having to do

2:05:46 ↗ this based on the adopted codes instead

2:05:49 ↗ we wouldn't want to understand in what

2:05:51 ↗ way you think that the project is not

2:05:53 ↗ meeting the adopted codes it's just a

2:05:57 ↗ really small thing but if we get the

2:06:00 ↗ point if if you vote against something

2:06:04 ↗ you don't agree with in the Commission

2:06:07 ↗ passes it and then we vote to prepare

2:06:11 ↗ findings of fact that vote should still

2:06:15 ↗ be a yes vote regardless in the wades

2:06:17 ↗ and we've had projects before somebody

2:06:20 ↗ voted no about the project in the past

2:06:22 ↗ then they voted no and preparing the

2:06:25 ↗ findings facts it's like well there's no

2:06:27 ↗ basis for that you didn't they didn't

2:06:30 ↗ agree with you here but you should still

2:06:32 ↗ be voting to authorize that chairperson

2:06:35 ↗ and staff to prepare that exactly

2:06:37 ↗ because that that document should

2:06:39 ↗ represent their viewpoint as well yeah I

2:06:42 ↗ mean yeah it's not it's not changing

2:06:46 ↗ your view on the project yeah yeah your

2:06:47 ↗ vote will be showing that yeah he says

2:06:49 ↗ right complete the documentation is

2:06:52 ↗ pretty much what that says right yeah

2:06:53 ↗ yeah another just a question

2:06:56 ↗ for Lucy and any thing that staff needs

2:07:00 ↗ from us that we can do better to make

2:07:02 ↗ this run more efficiently gosh not that

2:07:06 ↗ I think think of I mean I think you guys

2:07:09 ↗ are great to work with I mean you know I

2:07:11 ↗ I don't see anyone coming in and opening

2:07:14 ↗ their packet as they sit down that's one

2:07:16 ↗ of my favorites and you guys come in

2:07:20 ↗ prepared you're you're engaged you're

2:07:22 ↗ paying attention you really want the

2:07:24 ↗ public to be heard you ask a lot of

2:07:29 ↗ questions to ensure the public stuff is

2:07:33 ↗ responded to that actually that is an

2:07:36 ↗ interesting point to bring up when the

2:07:42 ↗ public gets up and makes comments you

2:07:46 ↗ will notice that we don't get up and say

2:07:47 ↗ anything we are waiting to hear from you

2:07:50 ↗ what you would like us to respond to so

2:07:54 ↗ even if I unless I feel like something

2:07:56 ↗ is so egregious I just cannot let it

2:07:59 ↗ stand I will not speak about anything

2:08:03 ↗ unless you ask me to say you know could

2:08:07 ↗ you give us your viewpoint or you know

2:08:10 ↗ someone and you guys often do this you

2:08:12 ↗ know some several people said X can you

2:08:15 ↗ tell us you know what steps you point is

2:08:17 ↗ or what does you know unpack what the

2:08:20 ↗ staff reports that or pointers to that

2:08:22 ↗ would you prefer that so a bunch of

2:08:25 ↗ people are signed up to talk about

2:08:26 ↗ something and they've made comments so

2:08:28 ↗ would you prefer us to do that then or

2:08:31 ↗ wait for all those comments that come

2:08:32 ↗ out close that and then during our

2:08:35 ↗ questions then bring it up with you and

2:08:38 ↗ say this person mentioned that that

2:08:41 ↗ right I mean I think you should get all

2:08:44 ↗ the public comments then you can sort

2:08:46 ↗ out what pieces are of concern or of

2:08:50 ↗ interest or you know either worth

2:08:52 ↗ commenting on or where you want staff to

2:08:55 ↗ reply now you know that we're gonna

2:08:57 ↗ prepare a briefing response memo

2:08:59 ↗ gonna pretty much respond to everything

2:09:01 ↗ that's there so if you're if you're not

2:09:04 ↗ feeling particularly moved by it that

2:09:06 ↗ night you can always wait I've been not

2:09:09 ↗ when that person's up at the podium you

2:09:11 ↗ don't want us to know Jo Lucy what about

2:09:14 ↗ this yeah right

2:09:15 ↗ no we would want we don't want to call

2:09:19 ↗ in response yeah no yeah

2:09:22 ↗ and that's hard for a lot of citizens I

2:09:25 ↗ mean I know I see I've been at council

2:09:28 ↗ meetings and even some convention

2:09:30 ↗ meetings where they are certainly

2:09:32 ↗ baffled I mean they're there they're

2:09:34 ↗ engaged they're curious and no one's

2:09:37 ↗ answering their question right they're

2:09:39 ↗ asking questions and they were just

2:09:40 ↗ sitting there staring at them are taking

2:09:42 ↗ it over yeah yeah you know another thing

2:09:45 ↗ too that helps depending on what's going

2:09:46 ↗ on with the public engagement is there

2:09:50 ↗ are things that they may not know we

2:09:51 ↗ know it and we've looked at the

2:09:52 ↗ documents in detail or we understand the

2:09:55 ↗ process and asking a question even

2:09:58 ↗ though we know the answer but it's going

2:09:59 ↗ to be informative to the public for them

2:10:01 ↗ to hear an answer to a question about

2:10:03 ↗ the project that helps them get it so

2:10:05 ↗ for now and again and you see something

2:10:08 ↗ like that's like well they're really

2:10:09 ↗ curious about something but we know that

2:10:12 ↗ we have either no authority there or

2:10:13 ↗ that's a decision that happened

2:10:14 ↗ someplace else we just ask how does the

2:10:16 ↗ process work when we're talking about

2:10:18 ↗ law and so then they they're you get an

2:10:20 ↗ opportunity now to write and I have

2:10:22 ↗ definitely seen you guys do that where

2:10:25 ↗ you know that there is either a

2:10:28 ↗ particularly strong concern in as

2:10:32 ↗ individual or in a group of people and

2:10:36 ↗ asked us to do it not because you really

2:10:38 ↗ need to know but because you want the

2:10:39 ↗ public to know and we're certainly I

2:10:41 ↗ mean worry is here as much for the

2:10:42 ↗ public is really hard for you guys so

2:10:44 ↗ we're happy to do that I do have a

2:10:48 ↗ question and I'm curious to everyone's

2:10:50 ↗ thoughts and insights

2:10:51 ↗ you know regarding questions you know

2:10:54 ↗ for the applicant what are your thoughts

2:10:56 ↗ on asking the same question or questions

2:11:00 ↗ you know consecutive meetings

2:11:05 ↗ sometimes that I end up doing that

2:11:08 ↗ because I I see maybe there's you know

2:11:10 ↗ new new members and the public or you

2:11:13 ↗ know just to try to get some

2:11:16 ↗ clarification on something and others

2:11:19 ↗ might have missed you know the prior

2:11:20 ↗ meeting what are your thoughts on that

2:11:22 ↗ do you think that's still a good

2:11:24 ↗ practice I mean do we want to you know

2:11:27 ↗ keep in mind the time frame and be

2:11:31 ↗ conscious of that but I mean if we've

2:11:33 ↗ had a public hearing the first public

2:11:35 ↗ hear yeah and we asked a question and

2:11:37 ↗ then we asked meanness some of those

2:11:39 ↗ same questions or maybe one of those

2:11:41 ↗ same questions and in the in a following

2:11:44 ↗ meeting that's my my thought would be it

2:11:46 ↗ would be if we didn't think they had

2:11:48 ↗ addressed it and which I think can

2:11:50 ↗ happen certainly and if I didn't yeah if

2:11:53 ↗ I had asked a question and they didn't

2:11:56 ↗ think was addressed adequately or not at

2:11:59 ↗ all or something okay and I guess the

2:12:01 ↗ thing I would add is that's kind of the

2:12:04 ↗ since we cover most of the stuff that's

2:12:07 ↗ in the briefing response memo hopefully

2:12:10 ↗ we're addressing a lot of the questions

2:12:12 ↗ that a new member a new attendee would

2:12:15 ↗ have had based on that but you know they

2:12:18 ↗ sometimes come up with all new brand new

2:12:20 ↗ stuff before you guys see something new

2:12:22 ↗ but that's part of why we go through it

2:12:25 ↗ is it's an opportunity not only to make

2:12:28 ↗ sure you understand the answers that

2:12:30 ↗ we've provided but the public does

2:12:32 ↗ because they may not have they may not

2:12:36 ↗ read it or they it may be their first

2:12:38 ↗ time attending and so they haven't even

2:12:41 ↗ had an opportunity to see the document

2:12:43 ↗ yeah you know makes sense I think that's

2:12:45 ↗ a good approach if it's clearly answered

2:12:47 ↗ then yeah I mean if there's changes then

2:12:50 ↗ I think that validates then the question

2:12:52 ↗ again right yeah and it seemed likely if

2:12:54 ↗ I remember I lick with the Gilman lofts

2:12:56 ↗ or the roof treatment so they made some

2:12:59 ↗ changes but then we were sort of

2:13:00 ↗ questioning that again

2:13:02 ↗ because it was yeah a little different

2:13:05 ↗ look and he brought it new questions

2:13:07 ↗ about it right well and you know we're

2:13:10 ↗ also dealing with lots of new tools and

2:13:12 ↗ so we're all still trying to figure out

2:13:14 ↗ you know like taking Gillman lops what's

2:13:17 ↗ complex roof you know and thank heavens

2:13:19 ↗ we have lots of pictures because I think

2:13:22 ↗ we've been relying on that a lot and so

2:13:26 ↗ you know as you also you know I've been

2:13:31 ↗ talking to the consultant for Old Town a

2:13:33 ↗ lot about the checklist and trying to

2:13:36 ↗ build a lot of that in upfront the poor

2:13:38 ↗ graphic designer who got the design

2:13:41 ↗ manual and had to build rebuild it or a

2:13:46 ↗ software reason but then build the

2:13:48 ↗ checklist into it I mean we backed our

2:13:51 ↗ way into that over and over again that

2:13:53 ↗ woman was the nicest person ever exactly

2:13:59 ↗ so just two things I would add one is

2:14:03 ↗ and I'm not I'm not sure this is true of

2:14:06 ↗ any of you but I just want to let you

2:14:08 ↗ know that when you get the meeting

2:14:11 ↗ invites partly because we need to have a

2:14:13 ↗ quorum and we've had some real

2:14:15 ↗ challenges not with you guys but with

2:14:17 ↗ some of the other boards and commissions

2:14:18 ↗ having forums so please RSVP kind of

2:14:22 ↗ what we're we're not doing a lot of

2:14:24 ↗ polling but I'm trying to send the

2:14:25 ↗ meeting invites out earlier I know it

2:14:27 ↗ doesn't always work with everyone's

2:14:29 ↗ platforms but if you email back I can I

2:14:33 ↗ can keep track of it and it helps us

2:14:35 ↗ make sure that we're going we don't have

2:14:38 ↗ people showing up for a meeting without

2:14:40 ↗ a quorum but it's also that if you're

2:14:44 ↗ unable to attend and you don't respond

2:14:47 ↗ after three consecutive non responses

2:14:51 ↗ you can be removed from the commission

2:14:53 ↗ we would like to not do that that's how

2:14:56 ↗ you get off

2:15:00 ↗ and that's a simple reply to that email

2:15:03 ↗ to you and then with Gretchen CCD on

2:15:06 ↗ that isn't correct okay that's great

2:15:08 ↗ because I did notice some calendar

2:15:10 ↗ invites or I guess some calendar dates

2:15:12 ↗ and invites with some of the meetings

2:15:13 ↗ and I was looking for like a an accept

2:15:15 ↗ button or something on the calendar

2:15:17 ↗ itself but it's just a weird still

2:15:18 ↗ because of some of the challenges end of

2:15:21 ↗ the year is just always insane I mean

2:15:23 ↗ everybody wants to be done before the

2:15:25 ↗ holidays and so Gretchen when Gretchen

2:15:30 ↗ took over from Dominique she I think was

2:15:33 ↗ just trying to get a sense of like what

2:15:35 ↗ you know how do we have forums how many

2:15:39 ↗ meetings are there no sense of doing you

2:15:42 ↗ know with you guys sometimes we'll meet

2:15:44 ↗ every single time and then we may not

2:15:46 ↗ need for three or four months so I think

2:15:48 ↗ she was just sending a lot of those out

2:15:50 ↗ trying to have a sense of like if we

2:15:52 ↗ have meetings come up coming up she and

2:15:55 ↗ I are sort of figuring out we're trying

2:15:57 ↗ to find a good balance between because

2:15:59 ↗ she has all the boards and commissions

2:16:01 ↗ yeah ours are the most difficult we gave

2:16:05 ↗ those big packets so you know she may

2:16:12 ↗ pull at some point especially for a

2:16:13 ↗ special meeting for something that isn't

2:16:15 ↗ a regular meeting she may pull just to

2:16:18 ↗ make sure we'll have a quorum but when

2:16:21 ↗ we send out the meeting invites if you

2:16:22 ↗ can just respond that is probably the

2:16:24 ↗ easiest way for us to track that we have

2:16:27 ↗ enough people we do have meetings coming

2:16:31 ↗ up December 4th and the 18th fourth

2:16:35 ↗ speaking of some of our conversations

2:16:38 ↗ tonight in its wood we are bringing back

2:16:41 ↗ to you this is for consultation is

2:16:44 ↗ actually a staff decision on the changes

2:16:48 ↗ to the elevations it's not necessarily

2:16:51 ↗ that there

2:16:52 ↗ have been massive changes in terms of

2:16:56 ↗ major big things but there have been so

2:16:59 ↗ many little ones that we just want to

2:17:02 ↗ make sure that we have retained the

2:17:04 ↗ flavor I think we feel like it's in a

2:17:06 ↗ good place but before staff make a

2:17:09 ↗ decision we would like your input okay

2:17:12 ↗ so we've been working a lot with the

2:17:14 ↗ applicant and both about the kinds of

2:17:18 ↗ changes had about how to describe it and

2:17:21 ↗ the kinds of materials that will help

2:17:24 ↗ you sort of easily digest because we had

2:17:29 ↗ it took us a long time to figure out

2:17:31 ↗ what changes had happened and we thought

2:17:34 ↗ you know this is our job and you guys

2:17:36 ↗ aren't going to devote that much time to

2:17:37 ↗ it and then right now we are scheduled

2:17:42 ↗ December 18th to bring the Tallis middle

2:17:45 ↗ school to you and this is under the

2:17:48 ↗ Tallis replacement regulations there are

2:17:54 ↗ a lot of moving pieces and we may not

2:17:57 ↗ make the 18th but right now we are

2:18:01 ↗ running fast and furious to get there so

2:18:05 ↗ a question kind of an addition to that

2:18:08 ↗ in terms of protocol for commissioners

2:18:13 ↗ who haven't attended a previous meeting

2:18:16 ↗ like this the December 4th one so it

2:18:18 ↗ sounds like a continuation since I'm not

2:18:21 ↗ familiar with that obviously I don't

2:18:22 ↗ catch up on that and read up the

2:18:24 ↗ material but at what point in during

2:18:28 ↗ that public meeting should I you know

2:18:33 ↗ mention the fact that you know I haven't

2:18:38 ↗ been involved previously but you know

2:18:40 ↗ I've followed followed up and on the

2:18:42 ↗ material watch any any of the videos

2:18:46 ↗ when does that when does that happen do

2:18:50 ↗ I just casually mention before my first

2:18:52 ↗ comment or well I think this is kind of

2:18:55 ↗ an unique one

2:18:57 ↗ we've probably had two and I can't

2:19:00 ↗ remember both of them I can remember one

2:19:02 ↗ of them I think so

2:19:05 ↗ so I have a kind of the way I explain it

2:19:08 ↗ to applicants is if I look at an

2:19:09 ↗ elevation that's that big and I can see

2:19:11 ↗ the differences then I'm going to I'm

2:19:13 ↗ going to want to consult with their

2:19:14 ↗ Development Commission because I think

2:19:17 ↗ now is it a consultation is it a

2:19:21 ↗ decision that's a that's a separate

2:19:23 ↗ matter but I think as part of building a

2:19:28 ↗ sense of trust and transparency we don't

2:19:32 ↗ want you to go out and I mean this is

2:19:34 ↗ the sort of Atlas problem I think a lot

2:19:37 ↗ of Commissioners were very surprised

2:19:38 ↗ when they saw it in the field and yet it

2:19:41 ↗ pretty much looked like it did in the

2:19:42 ↗ plans

2:19:43 ↗ and so especially the blue and so what

2:19:50 ↗ we have really wanted to do is ensure

2:19:53 ↗ that if there's a change that we think

2:19:55 ↗ that you would see and think that isn't

2:19:58 ↗ what I approved then we want to come

2:20:00 ↗ back and either have a decision or a

2:20:02 ↗ consultation in this particular

2:20:06 ↗ circumstance it we believe that this is

2:20:10 ↗ an administrative decision based on the

2:20:13 ↗ criteria which are kind of general I

2:20:16 ↗ will admit but what we have decided is

2:20:19 ↗ that we want to bump it up a level to a

2:20:22 ↗ level one which has public notice so the

2:20:24 ↗ parties of record and neighbors within a

2:20:28 ↗ certain distance will be notified and we

2:20:31 ↗ will send these materials out to you

2:20:33 ↗ we're asking for your input before we

2:20:36 ↗ make a decision so I think it's not as

2:20:39 ↗ quite as sensitive as you're describing

2:20:42 ↗ you're going to see the St the approved

2:20:45 ↗ SDP elevations and the

2:20:47 ↗ new building permit elevations we will

2:20:50 ↗ describe those changes and we're looking

2:20:54 ↗ for your input I mean if we were

2:20:56 ↗ starting over again that would be

2:20:58 ↗ something different but what we're

2:20:59 ↗ saying is do you agree that these are

2:21:02 ↗ either improvements or neutral in some

2:21:05 ↗ cases is because of building codes and

2:21:09 ↗ we may not love the change but there's

2:21:11 ↗ not anything we can do about it but we

2:21:14 ↗ want to have that conversation with you

2:21:15 ↗ and yeah I think it's a really good

2:21:17 ↗ question but yeah I don't I don't think

2:21:18 ↗ you would have to really disclose

2:21:20 ↗ anything okay much more succinct yeah

2:21:26 ↗ just to say oh I think that looks better

2:21:29 ↗ as good as yeah yeah so I don't I don't

2:21:32 ↗ need to mention no I haven't attended

2:21:34 ↗ the the past two meetings but write up

2:21:37 ↗ the material this past weekend watch the

2:21:38 ↗ video I don't think it's okay I think

2:21:40 ↗ you just have to think of it within the

2:21:42 ↗ context of the site development permit

2:21:44 ↗ desert as opposed to a new permit but I

2:21:46 ↗ don't I don't think that for instance I

2:21:50 ↗ don't think you have to go back and read

2:21:51 ↗ all the previous staff reports and and

2:21:53 ↗ all that I know you've been very good

2:21:55 ↗ about doing that and I appreciate that

2:21:56 ↗ thank you Brooke I think you had the

2:22:03 ↗ original idea for I get together and

2:22:06 ↗ like this any any questions you still

2:22:09 ↗ have out there or comment sir yeah I've

2:22:19 ↗ to say what the you know I hadn't served

2:22:22 ↗ on the Commission a while and I are new

2:22:25 ↗ additions have really been excellent

2:22:26 ↗ additions to the Commission and I think

2:22:29 ↗ we are I think we have an excellent

2:22:33 ↗ Commission right now in terms of the

2:22:35 ↗ members and experience and abilities and

2:22:37 ↗ everything I think we're and

2:22:39 ↗ and I've been to some other meetings of

2:22:41 ↗ other committee

2:22:42 ↗ and I do think we operate pretty well

2:22:45 ↗ and I think we're in great shape so they

2:22:49 ↗ didn't get the document on the

2:22:50 ↗ probationary appreciate that and again

2:22:57 ↗ thank you for the opportunity and look

2:22:59 ↗ forward you know you continued learning

2:23:00 ↗ from you know the senior members and I

2:23:12 ↗ think it's I think it's a quite really

2:23:15 ↗ is lucky that we have so many

2:23:17 ↗ commissions and we have the ability for

2:23:19 ↗ public input on things and I think it's

2:23:23 ↗ helped me as a quad better place and

2:23:26 ↗ very fortunate have great staff I think

2:23:32 ↗ the strength of the Commission is the

2:23:33 ↗ willingness of folks to read the

2:23:36 ↗ material before you come in and identify

2:23:38 ↗ the things that you're concerned with

2:23:39 ↗ and not being afraid to speak up and so

2:23:42 ↗ that that's invaluable and so I you all

2:23:46 ↗ done a good job and I encouraged that

2:23:48 ↗ for sure and Lucy this pot what you know

2:23:51 ↗ thank you for putting this together it

2:23:52 ↗ was timely and you know I think we're I

2:23:55 ↗ think we're better for it so unless

2:23:59 ↗ people have more comments or concerns or

2:24:02 ↗ you want to go till ten o'clock kind of

2:24:04 ↗ carry the theme here I would recommend

2:24:07 ↗ that we adjourn the meeting before yeah

2:24:13 ↗ thank you thank you

2:24:16 ↗ I can't take those cookies home because

2:24:21 ↗ I can't admit defeat so

2:24:34 ↗ you

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Council / Members (7)

Administration/Staff: Richard Sowa

Lucy Sloman

Land Development Mgr. Mel Morgan

Michael Brennan Kevin Price Ben Rush Arthur Schulte

Alt. Brooke Shore Commissioners Not Present: Richard Sanford (Excused) Mark Rigos

Alt. (Not Excused) Nischitha Venkatesh

Alt. (Not Excused)