Development Commission · Wednesday, November 20, 2019 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

packet pp.3

Previously discussed: Development Commission · May 1, 2019

Open packet at p.3 ↗

Staff report:

Development Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission reviews all land Lucy Sloman, use actions requiring a Level 3 review. The Land Development Manager Commission further serves as an advisory board Email to the City Council on land use actions requiring council approval (Level 5 review). Regular Members 2020 – Melvin Morgan The appearance of fairness doctrine prohibits 2020 – Kevin Price Development Commission members and City 2022 – Michael Brennan Council members from discussing the merit of 2022 – Richard Sowa specific land use development applications outside 2022 – Richard Sanford of the formal public meeting process. Citizens, 2023 – Brooke Shore however, may discuss any issue with the City's 2023 – Ben Rush Development Services Department. Written comments are also welcome. Alternate Members 2020 – Mark Rigos Membership 2020 – Nischitha Venkatesh The…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of October 2, 2019

packet pp.5–13

Previously discussed: Development Commission · May 1, 2019

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 10-2-19 Development Commission Minutes Page [0000]

3. AGENDA ITEMS

Development Commission (DC) Get Acquainted Event, (D) structure of the City after, and at the DC

Lucy Sloman, Land Development Manager

5. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

The next meeting is scheduled for December 4, 2019 at 7:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers, 135 E. Sunset Way

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0:13 ↗ you

0:37 ↗ so I it is 703 and I'll call the meeting

0:41 ↗ to order we do have one official one

0:47 ↗ real official thing we have to do is to

0:49 ↗ approve the minutes of October 7th and

0:51 ↗ I'm a second I apologize so I'm just

0:54 ↗ making the assumption that you've all

0:55 ↗ had a chance to read them does anybody

0:57 ↗ have been a corrections or changes that

0:59 ↗ they'd like to see so here so I guess we

1:05 ↗ need a motion to approve the minutes we

1:06 ↗ don't I'll make by consensus will

1:09 ↗ approve the minutes of October 2nd and

1:12 ↗ what's her in the time or he Lucy ok so

1:16 ↗ I think most if not all of you know that

1:22 ↗ there was this desire to do some

1:27 ↗ team-building getting all longtime

1:30 ↗ members not old members longtime members

1:32 ↗ and newer members wanted to sort of have

1:36 ↗ an opportunity to talk get to know each

1:40 ↗ other share some of their experiences

1:43 ↗ talk about some of the processes and

1:46 ↗ just be more prepared for things that

1:50 ↗ are coming which is great because we

1:51 ↗ have permits coming to you on December

1:54 ↗ 4th and 18th and maybe at the end of the

1:57 ↗ meeting I'll tell you about what those

1:59 ↗ are so Mel and Richard had provided some

2:05 ↗ ideas to me I assumed that was from some

2:08 ↗ of the discussions with you guys and so

2:12 ↗ it's meant to be casual

2:14 ↗ we'll do some go through some the

2:19 ↗ various I think six topics that are on

2:22 ↗ the agenda actually why don't I just

2:25 ↗ because I'm gonna make the agenda

2:27 ↗ disappear here in a second when I go to

2:29 ↗ a PowerPoint so just share that and you

2:35 ↗ know I I don't have much to present I

2:39 ↗ just have some

2:40 ↗ I also have some of the slides that we

2:42 ↗ used at the May meeting when we did the

2:44 ↗ training because I think having an

2:46 ↗ opportunity to talk a little more where

2:48 ↗ it's a little less full agenda may be a

2:51 ↗ good opportunity to you know grow our

2:57 ↗ understanding of how things work and I

3:03 ↗ am using new technology

3:12 ↗ okay so I think the first order of

3:19 ↗ business was introductions I put some

3:22 ↗ suggestions and they are absolutely

3:25 ↗ suggestions I won't ask you any more

3:28 ↗ questions if you don't answer them all

3:33 ↗ some of the icebreakers we use at work

3:36 ↗ so just tell us something about yourself

3:40 ↗ is the last one and and I'll just go

3:43 ↗ first since I had an opportunity to

3:45 ↗ think about this and you haven't

3:47 ↗ so Lucy Sloman I have never lived in the

3:50 ↗ city that is my some of us various

3:54 ↗ planners have different preferences my

3:56 ↗ preference is not to live in the city

3:58 ↗ where I work because just going into PCC

4:01 ↗ in the morning I run into plenty of

4:04 ↗ people who like to tell me their

4:05 ↗ thoughts that's right I've had friendly

4:10 ↗ encounters such as that one I've had

4:12 ↗ unfriendly encounters as well so I have

4:18 ↗ been a liaison to DC just for a few

4:21 ↗ years I have been working with the city

4:25 ↗ for like almost 24 years but I've only

4:30 ↗ been an employee for about eight for a

4:35 ↗ long time there was the major

4:36 ↗ development review team that specialized

4:38 ↗ in the urban villages and I was it was

4:42 ↗ almost all consultants and so I was a

4:45 ↗ consulting planner to the MDRT and then

4:50 ↗ when they incorporated the MDRT in and

4:55 ↗ created the development services

4:57 ↗ department they Keith had been Nevin had

5:03 ↗ been promoted to economic development

5:04 ↗ director and I was made land development

5:08 ↗ manager it had you worked for a city

5:11 ↗ before so as a consultant it's kind of

5:15 ↗ interesting because I've done almost

5:16 ↗ always done long-range planning

5:19 ↗ I'd done like nine comp plans in as many

5:23 ↗ years and I thought I never want to see

5:24 ↗ another comp plan if I can help it

5:27 ↗ I really was more interested in kind of

5:29 ↗ urban design and current planning and so

5:32 ↗ we had provided staff services to a lot

5:35 ↗ of cities so I traveled you know Blaine

5:39 ↗ Camus Marysville Mount Vernon East

5:42 ↗ Wenatchee all kinds of cities through

5:44 ↗ mostly in western Washington and got to

5:48 ↗ know them work with their planning

5:49 ↗ department it was just around the time

5:51 ↗ that growth management was starting and

5:53 ↗ before growth management you know there

5:56 ↗ were a lot of planning directors who

5:57 ↗ might never do a complan in their entire

5:59 ↗ career and so especially at small towns

6:03 ↗ they didn't have the bandwidth there

6:05 ↗ might be two or three people in the

6:06 ↗ department and so they would hire us and

6:09 ↗ we would work really closely with them I

6:11 ↗ had to read the local newspaper which

6:13 ↗ was great you know I hadn't lived in

6:15 ↗ Washington that long and so I learned a

6:17 ↗ lot about Washington through doing that

6:20 ↗ it was really nice yeah and I just

6:21 ↗ always liked being in small towns the

6:26 ↗ ones that I mentioned like Marysville

6:29 ↗ Mount Vernon chemist's Blaine from one

6:32 ↗ border to the other but in Marysville

6:37 ↗ they actually went through for planning

6:40 ↗ directors in a year or so and so I was

6:42 ↗ the constant so anyway where did you

6:47 ↗ study planning so I have my

6:52 ↗ undergraduate degree was an independent

6:54 ↗ study in architecture at Connecticut

6:56 ↗ College grew up in Dallas my parents

7:00 ↗ wanted to get me out of Texas and

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7:05 ↗ and that I know well they took me kind

7:08 ↗ of they just they both grew up in other

7:11 ↗ parts of the country so they really

7:12 ↗ liked they believed in that they just

7:14 ↗ assumed I'd come home to Texas and then

7:17 ↗ I wanted to just study architecture for

7:19 ↗ grad school and so I look you know I

7:22 ↗ applied in the Northeast and out here

7:25 ↗ and I just thought you know I'll never

7:27 ↗ afford to live anywhere I want to in

7:29 ↗ Boston or New York or Philadelphia

7:31 ↗ there's such expensive cities so at the

7:34 ↗ time Seattle was not the most expensive

7:36 ↗ city in the United States if I can moved

7:39 ↗ here in 1980 so I've been here really

7:43 ↗ long to go to grad school then to go to

7:45 ↗ UW and I got my master's in architecture

7:47 ↗ and then but my last my poor parents my

7:53 ↗ last year in grad school I went to study

7:56 ↗ on the UW's architecture and Rome

7:58 ↗ program and I realized that Ross I'm

8:00 ↗ really interested in buildings that was

8:02 ↗ really interested in cities so I did my

8:04 ↗ thesis Kevin Kevin knows exactly what

8:07 ↗ I'm talking about I did my thesis on the

8:11 ↗ UW's campus in downtown Seattle and so I

8:14 ↗ just sort of used my thesis as a way to

8:18 ↗ read and study all the things that I

8:20 ↗ would have done if I was doing the

8:21 ↗ planning degree and I mean given what we

8:25 ↗ do and you know how architectural II

8:27 ↗ oriented we are in the city it's been

8:29 ↗ really useful to have an architecture

8:30 ↗ degree you know Lucy um during your time

8:34 ↗ in high school I'm curious if planning

8:37 ↗ is something you've always thought about

8:38 ↗ prior to college or that just happened

8:42 ↗ and you transitioned into it boy you

8:45 ↗ guys are getting the whole story so in

8:48 ↗ what's good I thought I was gonna be an

8:51 ↗ archaeologist and then I went and

8:54 ↗ there's a sort of testing thing called

8:57 ↗ Johnson O'Connor there's one here and

9:00 ↗ when I did it they said I was too

9:03 ↗ extroverted to be a archaeologist that

9:05 ↗ someone would walk by and I'd look up

9:07 ↗ and break you know

9:08 ↗ so I went off to college thinking I was

9:13 ↗ going to be a physics major and but

9:18 ↗ double integration blew up my brain and

9:20 ↗ I just said I don't think so

9:21 ↗ and then I did art and then I landed on

9:25 ↗ architecture which was sort of a nice

9:27 ↗ marrying of the two I'll just follow the

9:40 ↗ form to start and we'll see where it

9:43 ↗ goes

9:43 ↗ name is Ben Rusch I've lived in Issaquah

9:47 ↗ since 2007 which would be 12 years town

9:50 ↗ been on the dc4 I know here somewhere

9:56 ↗ their previous to that I was on the UBC

9:58 ↗ which was the evolution of the MDRT

10:01 ↗ am I right about that you were the

10:03 ↗ commission that served with thee that

10:05 ↗ served the projects from the MDRT you're

10:07 ↗ right okay and that was I think I was

10:11 ↗ only about a year and a half before that

10:13 ↗ of dissolving and kind of rolling into

10:16 ↗ this I also delivered the

10:21 ↗ Highlands so I've started with

10:22 ↗ volunteering by being talked into

10:26 ↗ working with the architectural review

10:28 ↗ committee eventually because we didn't

10:31 ↗ have anybody else to do it they put me

10:33 ↗ as the chair I ended up turning that

10:35 ↗ over just a couple of months ago after

10:36 ↗ nine years

10:38 ↗ and in the meantime I'm also on the

10:42 ↗ board of directors for violence fact I

10:45 ↗ just left there that hour ago so I've

10:49 ↗ got a few things that I do but what I'd

10:50 ↗ really liked it

10:51 ↗ with that this has been a good

10:53 ↗ beneficial thing for me is you start

10:55 ↗ from something very small like

10:57 ↗ Architectural Review where you're

10:58 ↗ looking at a front door color up to

11:00 ↗ something very large like an entire city

11:02 ↗ and how it operates and everything in

11:04 ↗ between that's it's pretty interesting

11:06 ↗ for me I mean between the architectural

11:09 ↗ aspect to a neighborhood to the finances

11:12 ↗ of a neighborhood to how the city is

11:14 ↗ planned how it works you know there is

11:17 ↗ some commonality but there also is a lot

11:18 ↗ that is different between them and you

11:21 ↗ do pick up quite a bit so I find it

11:24 ↗ interesting I guess that's how we get

11:27 ↗ started volunteering with it hobbies I

11:31 ↗ have three young children and two dogs

11:32 ↗ so I chase them around and make sure

11:38 ↗ they are okay so but that's really why

11:44 ↗ I'm here then I ran into you at these

11:48 ↗ pizza not too long ago is that your

11:50 ↗ favorite pizza location that's Ennis but

11:53 ↗ yeah it's called sorry it's an easy one

11:55 ↗ to walk down to and and works as an

11:58 ↗ office sometimes when the kids get too

12:00 ↗ loud so so you work at home I do yeah

12:05 ↗ working on my house and that's worked

12:08 ↗ out pretty well that we looked at

12:10 ↗ originally when I moved to the area I

12:12 ↗ moved from Portland Oregon and

12:15 ↗ originally to Bellevue rent an apartment

12:17 ↗ and kind of thinking okay it's central I

12:20 ↗ this is easy to get where I need to go

12:22 ↗ and then started looking north and south

12:26 ↗ and you know 405 north and south was was

12:29 ↗ and still is kind of tough in the

12:31 ↗ morning in the evening for commutes and

12:33 ↗ so this made a lot of sense to me for

12:35 ↗ some reason big big open highway that

12:37 ↗ went straight out and never seemed to

12:39 ↗ have too much traffic and well it's

12:42 ↗ increased over the years as it's still

12:43 ↗ manageable than other areas that I go to

12:45 ↗ they're just difficult to get in and out

12:47 ↗ of so yeah so Ben tell I'd ask that you

12:52 ↗ tell them what you do because I think a

12:54 ↗ lot of them would be interested so I'm a

12:59 ↗ manufacturer's rep in the construction

13:00 ↗ industry

13:01 ↗ so I actually work with probably 80% of

13:04 ↗ what I work with this mechanical

13:06 ↗ engineers so it's working with them on

13:09 ↗ behalf of manufacturers that I work with

13:10 ↗ and educating them my product you know

13:13 ↗ they know a lot more about the whole

13:15 ↗ picture than I do but I tend to have a

13:17 ↗ very specific look at what I'm talking

13:19 ↗ about and it works out well for the two

13:21 ↗ of us so a lot of it is computer and

13:25 ↗ screen time but a lot of it else was

13:26 ↗ face to face and going and seeing people

13:28 ↗ and working through projects and it's

13:32 ↗ kind of the same thing really small

13:33 ↗ projects and I get really big ones

13:35 ↗ downtown you know why much more complex

13:38 ↗ so

13:45 ↗ hello my name is Arthur Schulte I

13:50 ↗ volunteered on the development

13:51 ↗ Commission since beginning of 2019 so

13:54 ↗ moved to istic law last summer from

13:57 ↗ Redmond I've been in the the greater

13:59 ↗ Seattle area for about 22 years really

14:03 ↗ enjoying it

14:04 ↗ you know I joined the board you know

14:06 ↗ really to be involved with the community

14:07 ↗ and trying to help shape the direction

14:10 ↗ we're headed you know everything from

14:13 ↗ transportation to utilizing my expertise

14:18 ↗ in architecture and knowledge to you

14:20 ↗ know help shape the cities and help get

14:23 ↗ its moving on a good path and continue

14:25 ↗ keeping us moving on a good path and you

14:27 ↗ know obviously we're seeing a lot of

14:28 ↗ growth in the greater Seattle area and

14:31 ↗ and all of that is expanding you know

14:34 ↗ towards the east side and with the

14:36 ↗ introduction of the light rail in the

14:37 ↗ future you know that's gonna play a big

14:39 ↗ role and you know how that shapes

14:41 ↗ Issaquah as well as Sammamish in the

14:44 ↗ surrounding areas

14:46 ↗ by day I'm a project manager at mg2

14:50 ↗ architecture firm downtown right near

14:53 ↗ the ferris wheel and then by night I am

14:56 ↗ an adjunct professor at Lake Washington

14:59 ↗ Institute of Technology

15:00 ↗ so I teach architecture there so that's

15:03 ↗ Tuesday and Thursday evenings for me

15:07 ↗ this is my schedule just regular time

15:13 ↗ I'm committed I want to be here with you

15:15 ↗ guys so I talked Administration and

15:18 ↗ changing my schedule around so so far

15:20 ↗ it's working out well so we work on all

15:24 ↗ sorts of different projects mg2 actually

15:27 ↗ is doing the Costco headquarters in

15:30 ↗ Issaquah so I joined

15:34 ↗ absently after that's been kind of going

15:36 ↗ through design reviews so I haven't had

15:39 ↗ really barely any involvement on the

15:41 ↗ project but it's been exciting to see

15:43 ↗ that evolve over the years so right now

15:47 ↗ I'm a lot of mixed use development

15:49 ↗ multifamily we've got several high-rise

15:52 ↗ projects we're working on in Seattle but

15:56 ↗ education is important part of my life

15:59 ↗ and so inspiring the next generation of

16:02 ↗ architects and students I enjoy that so

16:05 ↗ you know translating and sharing what I

16:10 ↗ learned in the office with my students

16:12 ↗ that brings a lot of fulfillment to me

16:15 ↗ and you know I can see myself doing that

16:18 ↗ for a long time and let's see here

16:24 ↗ hobbies hobbies include various

16:28 ↗ watersports paddle boarding one Lake

16:30 ↗ Sammamish biking walking running I'd

16:35 ↗ like to get into kite surfing eventually

16:37 ↗ and you know utilize wind power to get

16:40 ↗ moo-ving on the water hiking as well

16:45 ↗ let's see first job I actually worked at

16:49 ↗ the the Chevrolet dealership here in

16:52 ↗ Issaquah so that was that was my first

16:54 ↗ job I worked in their service department

16:57 ↗ after that I started selling pawned

17:00 ↗ equipment I was upon sales sales guys if

17:04 ↗ I would I would pressure my customers to

17:07 ↗ buy pumps and implants and and fish and

17:11 ↗ of course with good intentions but and I

17:16 ↗ transitioned into architecture I've been

17:18 ↗ in the architecture for about eight

17:19 ↗ years in the industry and I'm excited to

17:24 ↗ see where the future takes me I lately

17:27 ↗ I've been getting interested in real

17:28 ↗ estate development and so but but I

17:32 ↗ definitely can see myself staying on the

17:34 ↗ commission for for a while I really

17:38 ↗ enjoy you know so far working with you

17:40 ↗ guys and learning from you guys and

17:42 ↗ picking up the ins and outs and so I

17:45 ↗ appreciate the opportunity I yes on some

17:52 ↗ projects but he manages a lot of the

17:54 ↗ high-rise projects I'm mostly focused

17:56 ↗ when mixed-use kind of the mid-rise

17:58 ↗ projects with the occasional help on the

18:00 ↗ high-rise projects but he sits right

18:02 ↗ across from the summit didn't he in the

18:04 ↗ right he was my next-door neighbor no

18:06 ↗ yeah I moved into a house in Maple Leaf

18:09 ↗ and moved in next to Ted I think he was

18:11 ↗ happy when I okay

18:13 ↗ yeah yeah bonus projects and stuffs well

18:16 ↗ it's one of the things I appreciate

18:17 ↗ about the industry in general and the

18:20 ↗ planning and the architecture it is a

18:22 ↗ small small world so it's it's amazing

18:25 ↗ who you run into from time to time you

18:28 ↗ miss turtle and we said midwives you

18:29 ↗ mean like the five over two yeah yeah

18:31 ↗ exactly frames in any of the is its ELT

18:35 ↗ the cross laminated timber you know we

18:39 ↗ are there's a couple of projects coming

18:41 ↗ across our desk that we're looking at

18:44 ↗ potentially going after we're still

18:48 ↗ building that expertise in the office

18:50 ↗ right now so we're looking at some

18:53 ↗ conventions that we want to attend and

18:54 ↗ get a little bit more involved with that

18:56 ↗ so I definitely see more integration of

19:00 ↗ that in the future projects so we have

19:03 ↗ our first building and that we're

19:05 ↗ reviewing it's a rally office building

19:09 ↗ and it kind of blew up everyone's brain

19:12 ↗ when it came in for all the reasons

19:13 ↗ you're saying and you know there's it's

19:16 ↗ a trying to figure out you know how do

19:19 ↗ you review it have you inspected you

19:21 ↗ know a lot of it isn't in the code in

19:24 ↗ the same way that other materials are

19:26 ↗ okay so is there a 30 second view of

19:30 ↗ what that is

19:32 ↗ well cross laminated timber is

19:34 ↗ essentially a

19:35 ↗ timber framing product that you know

19:38 ↗ when you look at a lot of these projects

19:40 ↗ you see this very open concept look and

19:45 ↗ feel it's a different look altogether

19:47 ↗ aesthetically you know you'll look at

19:50 ↗ projects that are kind of open have like

19:54 ↗ an open industrial look to them where

19:55 ↗ you see the exposed Steel's and exposed

19:58 ↗ ducting so if you envision that and

20:01 ↗ replace that you know with your a would

20:03 ↗ look essentially that's kind of what

20:07 ↗ what you see maybe if you look at some

20:09 ↗ of the cladding here and imagine that on

20:13 ↗ ceilings beams different shades and you

20:17 ↗ get that kind of look taller you can go

20:23 ↗ taller right yes because I remember when

20:25 ↗ we were doing the central Issaquah plan

20:28 ↗ there was that question of once you got

20:30 ↗ over a certain height like five over two

20:34 ↗ you had to really jump up to 10 to 12

20:36 ↗ stories before it became feasible

20:38 ↗ because he had to go steel or concrete

20:40 ↗ and he had to get that much taller so I

20:43 ↗ wonder if it can help fit in with some

20:44 ↗ of those seven eight storey buildings

20:47 ↗ that might not have worked or something

20:49 ↗ with no you're absolutely correct one of

20:52 ↗ the benefits of a CLT is being able to

20:55 ↗ go higher without really seen or

20:59 ↗ requiring new addition of structure you

21:03 ↗ know such as a conversion to steel and

21:06 ↗ metal studs you know with these mid rise

21:08 ↗ projects by when you reach a certain

21:10 ↗ height they become classified as

21:11 ↗ high-rise projects so there's a whole

21:14 ↗ lot of other criterias that come into

21:15 ↗ play with that including the smoke

21:19 ↗ prevention and as well as metal framing

21:23 ↗ - once you reach that certain height so

21:26 ↗ again we're seeing a CLT really starting

21:30 ↗ to kick off I think one of the some of

21:34 ↗ the big questions I've heard in the past

21:36 ↗ is regarding the production of CLT and

21:39 ↗ whether there's enough factories and

21:42 ↗ manufacturing facilities able to keep up

21:45 ↗ with demand

21:46 ↗ if that really kicks off and what

21:49 ↗ happens if one of those factories or

21:52 ↗ manufacturing facilities you know goes

21:55 ↗ bankrupt er you know doesn't do well how

21:58 ↗ does that affect the industry so I think

22:01 ↗ we'll see more locations popping up and

22:03 ↗ more growth in that then yeah and I'm

22:06 ↗ curious about the long-term use of it

22:08 ↗ for the reasons you described in terms

22:10 ↗ of you know maintenance I guess I do a

22:14 ↗ lot of remodeling so how do you remodel

22:16 ↗ a building like that and do the

22:17 ↗ technologies exist and what technologies

22:19 ↗ will come out of that to to alter those

22:22 ↗ structures yeah you know it's a great

22:25 ↗ question I don't have all those answers

22:27 ↗ it's a it's a it's interesting we had a

22:29 ↗ Lunch and Learn actually a few weeks ago

22:31 ↗ where representative came in and talked

22:33 ↗ a little bit more about CLT and that's

22:35 ↗ exactly one of the questions I asked him

22:37 ↗ is in terms of longitude II the project

22:42 ↗ and the flexibility to do rehab you know

22:46 ↗ what is that what does that mean what

22:47 ↗ what can we see and there's planning

22:50 ↗ that has to be done ahead I mean it's

22:52 ↗ you know if there's damage to any of the

22:56 ↗ interior pieces yeah that that has to be

23:00 ↗ patched up it's not simply as replacing

23:02 ↗ a drywall right so you know obviously

23:05 ↗ covering everything and drywall doesn't

23:07 ↗ make sense because it just defeats the

23:08 ↗ purpose and yeah in the look that you're

23:10 ↗ going after so it's Beth there's still

23:12 ↗ unanswered questions with that good

23:14 ↗ question yeah hi my name is Kevin he my

23:21 ↗ name is Kevin price I've been in

23:23 ↗ Issaquah for five years now but early

23:28 ↗ early when my wife and I started dating

23:30 ↗ we would go on all of our dates in the

23:32 ↗ city of Issaquah and we knew in one

23:34 ↗ point we would move here and so we were

23:36 ↗ really excited to actually just do it

23:38 ↗ one day we lived in Seattle for over 20

23:42 ↗ years which was great you know we saw

23:44 ↗ that city the face of that city changed

23:47 ↗ tremendously but we just wanted

23:50 ↗ something different and and so we we

23:53 ↗ bought an a-frame here

23:55 ↗ and we've we've been sort of rehabbing

23:57 ↗ that which has been an adventure in and

24:00 ↗ of itself so uh so I've been on the DC

24:04 ↗ now for I guess three years coming up on

24:08 ↗ three years or a little more than three

24:09 ↗ years and i was on the design review

24:13 ↗ board in the city of seattle for three

24:16 ↗ years as well when I left Seattle I knew

24:19 ↗ I wanted to continue that in some

24:20 ↗ fashion so this seemed like a great

24:22 ↗ opportunity so I applied and then I

24:25 ↗ waited and I waited and I waited and

24:27 ↗ then I was read I didn't know if I

24:29 ↗ didn't hear anything so I'm like well I

24:31 ↗ guess I didn't get on and then I'm

24:33 ↗ reading some memorandum one day and I

24:35 ↗ saw the list of people that that were

24:37 ↗ accepted I'm like oh my god so I was

24:41 ↗ really excited to continue sort of that

24:43 ↗ work I had started in Seattle you know

24:47 ↗ in some fashion and it's different what

24:50 ↗ we do here versus what they do there I

24:52 ↗ feel like this has a lot more impact in

24:56 ↗ terms of the the variety I think and I'm

25:01 ↗ really proud of what the city has done

25:02 ↗ to develop the current guidelines and

25:04 ↗ participating in that process has been

25:06 ↗ really really tremendous so it's been a

25:09 ↗ lot more meaningful for me and and so

25:11 ↗ it's been an exciting experience in that

25:14 ↗ regard something about me young that

25:23 ↗ hobby I'm an architect so that means my

25:25 ↗ hobby is architecture I when I'm not I'm

25:29 ↗ not working at work I'm doing side work

25:33 ↗ I also serve as a design review member

25:37 ↗ for for Sun Cady at humble Creek that is

25:41 ↗ actually a paid position but which is a

25:44 ↗ lot of fun it's a lot of fun and you get

25:47 ↗ to see a tremendous variety you get to

25:48 ↗ see a lot of a lot of interesting

25:52 ↗ approaches to mountain architecture and

25:54 ↗ what you're seeing up there these days

25:55 ↗ is a lot of modern architecture you know

25:59 ↗ was founded on this idea of traditional

26:01 ↗ mountain homes but the marketplace and

26:04 ↗ the type of people that are in the

26:07 ↗ region

26:07 ↗ typically high-tech want more modern

26:09 ↗ structure so so it's interesting

26:11 ↗ watching the face of Sun Cadia change as

26:15 ↗ well which is kind of fun

26:17 ↗ and that's about it my first job I was a

26:21 ↗ it was a junior Ranger and I still

26:24 ↗ maintain that was my best job I made

26:26 ↗ trails for the city of Boulder that was

26:29 ↗ a lot of fun worst job was that as well

26:33 ↗ because you know you're 16 and you're

26:36 ↗ just like what am i doing but that's

26:40 ↗ really it a nutshell other than that I

26:42 ↗ think most everybody knows I'm an

26:44 ↗ architect I do custom residential design

26:46 ↗ so it's it's much different than the

26:49 ↗ face of what you do I worked with

26:51 ↗ individual clients to design their homes

26:53 ↗ and it's everything from new homes

26:55 ↗ primarily remodels but some new homes as

26:58 ↗ well so that's it Colorado University of

27:06 ↗ Colorado at Boulder yeah so I grew up in

27:08 ↗ Boulder and then I went to college about

27:10 ↗ a block away which which which meant I

27:15 ↗ had to leave her Boulder described as 20

27:21 ↗ square miles surrounded by reality yeah

27:29 ↗ Boulder is and it's you got to get out

27:35 ↗ it's it's a wonderful place to be but

27:37 ↗ it's not real yeah Kevin - at any point

27:41 ↗ did you you know think about buying a

27:44 ↗ piece of land and building something

27:47 ↗ from the ground up yourself

27:48 ↗ yeah there's rehab I'm an architect yes

27:58 ↗ of course that's the dream but still

28:01 ↗ make it work see yeah

28:07 ↗ hello I'm Brooke Shore I've lived in the

28:11 ↗ city for a little over four years been

28:14 ↗ on the development Commission since

28:16 ↗ April I applied for the Development

28:21 ↗ Commission I've actually applied for

28:23 ↗ several Commission's the development

28:25 ↗ Commission was the only one that shows

28:26 ↗ me and I just felt compelled to give

28:35 ↗ back somehow and I thought that would be

28:37 ↗ a good start

28:40 ↗ Hobie's well I guess for job I'm a civil

28:45 ↗ engineer for the first seven or eight

28:48 ↗ years of my career I did design and then

28:51 ↗ the last ten years I've worked for a

28:53 ↗ general contractor so doing construction

28:55 ↗ estimating project management scheduling

29:00 ↗ and I've built transportation type

29:04 ↗ projects so roads bridges my company's

29:07 ↗ doing the i-90 job out there and first

29:18 ↗ job McDonald's also worst job they're

29:29 ↗ doing drainage right now but the main

29:33 ↗ purpose of the project is to add an

29:36 ↗ auxilary Lane between 900 and East Gate

29:40 ↗ and then there are noise wells first

29:43 ↗ everything else is it all the way to 900

29:46 ↗ not just to Lake one YES on eastbound

29:52 ↗ Wow that'll be great yeah where they

30:06 ↗ chose which segments got them in which

30:09 ↗ segments do there are several miles of

30:11 ↗ noise well I can't remember how many but

30:12 ↗ I think it's summer of 2021 but I will

30:23 ↗ tell you that West Lake Sammamish

30:25 ↗ between the State Park and Lake Mont

30:28 ↗ will be closed for we got them to agree

30:34 ↗ not to do it during the holiday season

30:38 ↗ Brooke are you referring to the on i-90

30:42 ↗ itself the stretch between Issaquah and

30:44 ↗ and Bellevue that whole stretch what

30:46 ↗ they're doing expand okay do you do you

30:51 ↗ see the light rail going through that

30:53 ↗ center piece of land it seems like an

30:55 ↗ ideal spot but it's curious extra

31:03 ↗ traffic Queens so when when track when

31:06 ↗ cars get onto the freeway they don't

31:07 ↗ have to merge they could just stay

31:08 ↗ straight for a while and then it's

31:10 ↗ supposed to tell each traffic cuz they

31:12 ↗ won't be meeting

31:20 ↗ so hi Mike Brennan I have been on the

31:24 ↗ Commission for over ten years and things

31:26 ↗ I lost track long time I am one of the

31:31 ↗ at-large members so I don't live in the

31:33 ↗ city I live in a city just to the north

31:35 ↗ of here just across the border

31:37 ↗ I have lived in the same house for about

31:39 ↗ 23 year 24 years now so lots of you know

31:47 ↗ participation in everything that is

31:49 ↗ quite has to offer I was a place to live

31:52 ↗ and recreate and buy stuff and

31:56 ↗ everything else really enjoyed working

31:58 ↗ on the Commission my regular day job is

32:01 ↗ in development services I work for a

32:04 ↗ city just a bit west of here

32:07 ↗ I've been there for a long time as well

32:09 ↗ so this is kind of bringing some of you

32:13 ↗ know what I've learned both in school

32:15 ↗ and in my career to you know help help

32:18 ↗ here encourage to kind of toss my name

32:21 ↗ in by the guy to my left here and I said

32:24 ↗ sounds interesting and I got I got the

32:28 ↗ call - so it's been it has been

32:32 ↗ interesting to the evolution of this

32:34 ↗ Commission in my tenure and you probably

32:38 ↗ hear even more from Mel here who's been

32:40 ↗ on longer than I have that it really has

32:44 ↗ really changed not only think matured as

32:47 ↗ a commission but the way that the city

32:49 ↗ regulations and the city staff engaged

32:52 ↗ with the Commission is it has changed

32:55 ↗ and I thought thinking a lot of really

32:56 ↗ good ways it's is a cause really

32:59 ↗ emerging you know as a place where

33:02 ↗ people really want to be and it's

33:04 ↗ attracting lots of development and now

33:06 ↗ we've got things kind of sorted out with

33:08 ↗ regard to the central there's a co-op

33:10 ↗ plan I think that will start to really

33:11 ↗ take hold and I think well-positioned I

33:15 ↗ think the city is to have that kind of

33:18 ↗ smart growth but relying on this

33:20 ↗ commission and others to help guide that

33:23 ↗ and

33:23 ↗ important role so I think that's

33:25 ↗ something that I take seriously and I

33:27 ↗ think it's been beneficial to the

33:30 ↗ projects that have come through here and

33:31 ↗ we hear that back from the applicants to

33:34 ↗ that they appreciate it I know it's a an

33:36 ↗ extra hurdle they got to get over but

33:38 ↗ they appreciate the suggestions and

33:42 ↗ sometimes requirements that come from

33:43 ↗ the Commission that really affect their

33:45 ↗ projects and I think in a lot of good

33:46 ↗ ways so I think the Commission really

33:48 ↗ provides a valuable service to the

33:51 ↗ community and there were quite a

33:53 ↗ significant commitment on our part to be

33:55 ↗ ready to do that but I think that my

33:57 ↗ observation is that Commission has

33:59 ↗ always got a great talent and people are

34:02 ↗ committed in that that's what really

34:03 ↗ makes the difference I think what about

34:05 ↗ me a little bit so things I like to do I

34:08 ↗ like outdoor stuff so a lot hiking and I

34:11 ↗ can ski and bike and whatever else is

34:13 ↗ going on it's a great place to live for

34:14 ↗ that so I try to spend as much time as I

34:17 ↗ can doing outdoor things I my first job

34:24 ↗ I guess I grew up in Wenatchee the other

34:26 ↗ side of the mountains and my first job

34:28 ↗ was working in a fruit warehouse cold

34:31 ↗ storage in the summer time so it's 100

34:33 ↗ degrees outside and it's like you know

34:35 ↗ 35 degrees where you're working they

34:38 ↗ weren't it cold

34:39 ↗ wore long pants and long underwear

34:41 ↗ stacking boxes full of cherries on

34:44 ↗ pallets and they take it away in your

34:46 ↗ stack another one it was great fun so

34:50 ↗ that's that then I decided maybe that's

34:53 ↗ not the kind of career I wanted so it

34:55 ↗ wasn't obviously I needed to go to off

34:59 ↗ to college so I did I went to Washington

35:00 ↗ State University and I've got my Goku's

35:03 ↗ I got my undergrad degree in

35:05 ↗ construction management so where'd you

35:08 ↗ go to graduate school

35:11 ↗ and then I mid-career went off to

35:13 ↗ graduate school at the University of

35:15 ↗ Washington go Dawgs I'm conflicted

35:24 ↗ it's Goku's especially during the Apple

35:28 ↗ Campus so which is coming up see what

35:31 ↗ else I think I've got my wife and I have

35:37 ↗ two daughters both growing and and out

35:39 ↗ one recently engaged to be married so

35:41 ↗ getting ready for that and checking the

35:44 ↗ bottom line of the bank account going oh

35:46 ↗ it's gonna damage so looking forward to

35:51 ↗ that too we have two at-large members on

35:59 ↗ the Commission that are not required to

36:01 ↗ be residents of the city

36:04 ↗ oh um thank you I just completely drove

36:08 ↗ like I I know I don't know whether

36:11 ↗ there's I don't remember if there's a

36:13 ↗ specific number or it just cannot be the

36:15 ↗ majority okay yeah well I'm Mel Morgan

36:24 ↗ and like Mike I've never lived in the

36:29 ↗ city we lived in the same house on the

36:33 ↗ plateau for 26 years it was an is a quad

36:37 ↗ dress at the time but it was King County

36:39 ↗ it was before incorporation up there so

36:41 ↗ you know I kind of thought I lived in

36:43 ↗ Issaquah but didn't really and years old

36:51 ↗ after we moved in I thought well I've

36:53 ↗ gotta do something get back to the

36:54 ↗ community my background is in commercial

36:56 ↗ real estate appraisal I saw the

36:59 ↗ development Commission the description I

37:00 ↗ thought well I kind of understand real

37:03 ↗ estate maybe that's a way I can help out

37:05 ↗ and applied and and I think this is my

37:10 ↗ 25th year on the Commission so I'm still

37:14 ↗ waiting we get paid or

37:15 ↗ we're never cleared on that cake the son

37:20 ↗ gave me a commission I do remember we

37:26 ↗ had we had a meeting a joint meeting

37:29 ↗ with like Redmond and and is Redmond and

37:33 ↗ Kirkland planning development like

37:35 ↗ commissions once up at the san michele

37:38 ↗ bar know it was at the Red Hook brewery

37:40 ↗ and I remember somebody from there

37:42 ↗ mentioned that they got paid some hourly

37:46 ↗ rate for when they had Commission

37:47 ↗ meetings and that we never had those

37:48 ↗ meetings again and yeah I was smart

37:58 ↗ enough to driving here was always tough

38:01 ↗ and I wanted to get ride so I convinced

38:05 ↗ Mike to join the Commission so I could

38:07 ↗ get a because he and his family moved in

38:09 ↗ next door to us and the great thing is

38:12 ↗ they had a baby shortly after they moved

38:16 ↗ in and it was nice enough to name her

38:18 ↗ Morgan I thought that was yeah yeah most

38:22 ↗ neighbors should do that so anyway no

38:24 ↗ it's been great it's been really

38:26 ↗ wonderful and one of our hobbies I think

38:28 ↗ is probably discussing urban planning

38:30 ↗ stuff really bore was nothing that's in

38:33 ↗ front of the Commission and yeah first

38:42 ↗ job in high school I was a DJ on the

38:45 ↗ radio I grew up in Shelton which is a

38:49 ↗ little lumber town down by Olympia and I

38:52 ↗ had a neighbor that worked at the local

38:54 ↗ radio station was a country music

38:55 ↗ station and he was leaving to go off to

38:58 ↗ college or something said you should

39:00 ↗ apply so I had a weekend job I go in

39:02 ↗ there in the morning and and get the

39:04 ↗ news off the EP press and stuff and just

39:06 ↗ sort of run the station the whole day so

39:09 ↗ and so that was and that was interesting

39:11 ↗ I'm not sure about worst job I mean my

39:14 ↗ best job was being a bartender at

39:16 ↗ Dante's tavern and you dis drink so I

39:18 ↗ live very near Dante

39:21 ↗ that you goes down for bad behavior oh

39:24 ↗ so you you went the silver 1980 yes yes

39:29 ↗ did you go in there then yeah you need

39:31 ↗ the dollar pitcher nights on Thursday

39:33 ↗ I didn't go into Dante's no I lived very

39:35 ↗ close to campus and so I was you know I

39:38 ↗ go to the what is the collagen collagen

39:42 ↗ thank you I kept saying University in my

39:45 ↗ head no collagen was kind of my stomping

39:47 ↗ ground

39:47 ↗ yeah well fortunately it was just beer

39:54 ↗ and wine for us so yeah the time Willie

39:57 ↗ so and now I work for a company or our

40:00 ↗ company invest money for union pension

40:03 ↗ funds so we manage about six and a half

40:06 ↗ billion dollars worth of of assets we

40:09 ↗ own property mostly west coast but into

40:12 ↗ Colorado we own an office project and

40:14 ↗ Boulder and on the East Coast as well

40:17 ↗ and we owned the Maple Street office

40:21 ↗ building which I'm the asset manager for

40:23 ↗ and it was interesting because when I

40:24 ↗ was on the Commission we approved the

40:26 ↗ project before I even knew about the

40:29 ↗ company I'm at now so it's interesting

40:31 ↗ now being running the building that we

40:34 ↗ won you know had approved before so and

40:37 ↗ I think it always is interesting giving

40:39 ↗ me the perspective from like a property

40:42 ↗ owner and we're not developers but we

40:44 ↗ work with developers so I can I

40:46 ↗ understand

40:48 ↗ sort of from the investment aspect of

40:51 ↗ real estate and the things that are done

40:53 ↗ and can and can't be done or you know

40:56 ↗ what that view might be soon

41:02 ↗ so we were probably 85% commercial real

41:06 ↗ estate and the rest of stock and bonds

41:08 ↗ so yeah and most of the so the pension

41:12 ↗ funds we invest for invest for would be

41:14 ↗ like the local Operating Engineers Union

41:16 ↗ and the Carpenters Union and so one of

41:18 ↗ the things they like is that we're using

41:20 ↗ we always use union labor so if we build

41:22 ↗ a building it's with union labor so it's

41:26 ↗ making money for them and it's putting

41:28 ↗ them back to work and and the thing is

41:30 ↗ with you know people doing that kind of

41:32 ↗ work if you're a carpenter a plumber you

41:34 ↗ really need a pension plan because you

41:36 ↗ can't do that into your 70s or 80s oh

41:39 ↗ yeah so how many people went to the

41:47 ↗ University of Washington I'm just

41:49 ↗ curious if they if you paid attention to

41:51 ↗ anything in the football and happened to

41:54 ↗ notice what the University Utah did to

41:55 ↗ them a couple of weeks ago just

42:08 ↗ [Laughter]

42:15 ↗ so I'm Richard so a bit I honestly I was

42:19 ↗ trying to think of how long of I retired

42:21 ↗ nine from the u.s. Forest Service I

42:23 ↗ worked for them for 40 years I started

42:26 ↗ off in Ogden on the Wasatch it's Wasatch

42:29 ↗ cache for us now and worked my way

42:31 ↗ through college and all kinds of

42:33 ↗ interesting things move 217 times

42:35 ↗ there's a federal employed to advance

42:39 ↗ you generally have to move and so I

42:41 ↗ wanted to advance and I did and I ended

42:44 ↗ up as the national director of

42:45 ↗ engineering for the Forest Service

42:47 ↗ retired nine years ago lived lived here

42:51 ↗ with the I retired in January we moved

42:54 ↗ we came here on a house hunting trip in

42:56 ↗ September and I bought a house in Kalani

42:58 ↗ and so once again I thought I was a

43:01 ↗ quiet person but now I'm a Sammamish

43:04 ↗ person so but at any rate I really

43:12 ↗ really like the you know I did have a

43:15 ↗ several years that I worked with federal

43:18 ↗ highway administration and changing into

43:19 ↗ a different federal agency and the

43:23 ↗ frustrating thing about that was that it

43:25 ↗ was all engineers you know I don't know

43:27 ↗ I don't know you have any preconceptions

43:31 ↗ about what an engineer might be but

43:33 ↗ usually it's we lack a little bit of

43:35 ↗ personality because she can laugh and

43:39 ↗ smile at any rate decided to go back to

43:49 ↗ the Forest Service and what I found

43:51 ↗ really compelling was being able to mix

43:53 ↗ technical skill with resource objectives

43:56 ↗ and we went through the NEPA phase and

43:59 ↗ interdisciplinary teams and realized

44:01 ↗ that we had a responsibility to build

44:05 ↗ roads I built you know Forest Service

44:07 ↗ people don't know has 350,000 miles of

44:09 ↗ road and so I do I spent the first half

44:13 ↗ of my career building lots of miles of

44:15 ↗ road in the last half of my career

44:16 ↗ unbuilding lots of miles road because

44:19 ↗ American public made some changes on

44:21 ↗ what their expectation was off national

44:23 ↗ forests but I really like the notion of

44:26 ↗ interdisciplinary team decision-making

44:28 ↗ and one of the things that was most

44:31 ↗ frustrating is that we got so involved

44:33 ↗ in Anders on our team making that we

44:35 ↗ kind of team decisions that we kind of

44:37 ↗ forgot that at some point somebody had

44:39 ↗ to make a decision know so it was really

44:42 ↗ that was one of the that was one of the

44:45 ↗ kind of hints that maybe it was time for

44:47 ↗ me to move on until I retired I retired

44:51 ↗ here on I retired back in DC on January

44:55 ↗ 3rd we moved we flew here on January 4th

44:58 ↗ and moved into our house I've been

45:01 ↗ working at a fairly high level and so I

45:03 ↗ was working 15 or 16 hours a day no

45:06 ↗ contrary to what people think of

45:08 ↗ government employees and I really loved

45:10 ↗ when we had been in DC twice I could

45:14 ↗ have to convince my time my wife is a

45:16 ↗ real good negotiator and so it convinced

45:18 ↗ her to move back the second time we she

45:21 ↗ made me promise that she got two trips

45:24 ↗ back to west coast because our kid we

45:25 ↗ have kids at one kid and redmond and one

45:27 ↗ kid in Tukwila and grandkids in redmond

45:32 ↗ and then she said i could only do it for

45:36 ↗ three years because and the federal

45:38 ↗ scheme that if you work at the same rate

45:40 ↗ for three years that's what dictates

45:41 ↗ your retirement so I if I hadn't made

45:45 ↗ that commitment on a probably stayed

45:46 ↗ there for a lot longer but regardless we

45:49 ↗ moved here and when you go from 16 hours

45:52 ↗ a day to that the worst thing is you

45:54 ↗ move from the east coast to the west and

45:55 ↗ you wake up at 3 o'clock in the morning

45:57 ↗ and there's nothing open except at

46:00 ↗ Denny's in Issaquah you know which it is

46:02 ↗ gone now but that saved my life because

46:04 ↗ I got every year every day I get up and

46:06 ↗ go down and eat breakfast and read the

46:08 ↗ whole paper

46:09 ↗ got to know the waitress and there were

46:11 ↗ a couple it really well so but I needed

46:15 ↗ something to do and I really liked the

46:18 ↗ notion of planning and and resource

46:21 ↗ management so I volunteered or applied

46:25 ↗ for it to the river and stream board and

46:27 ↗ the Development Commission and I was

46:31 ↗ accepted for both and the the river and

46:35 ↗ stream board met a few times the

46:39 ↗ Development Commission didn't meet for a

46:41 ↗ year and similarly whoever whoever's

46:44 ↗ experience I I figured while I didn't

46:48 ↗ get get picked and the same thing they

46:50 ↗ sent out an agenda and my name was on

46:52 ↗ the agenda you know it's partly so Randy

46:55 ↗ garrison was the chairman and I didn't

46:58 ↗ know what to do so I came in and I said

47:00 ↗ yeah over there and they held the

47:03 ↗ meeting and after the after the meeting

47:05 ↗ I walked up and I said I don't know what

47:07 ↗ I'm supposed to do and he said what do

47:08 ↗ you mean I said well I think I'm I have

47:23 ↗ to say I really really like the Forest

47:26 ↗ Service I really like my job I won the

47:30 ↗ probably the best job I ever had was

47:32 ↗ working for them for 40 years and I

47:35 ↗ think my worst job my first job was my

47:38 ↗ best friend

47:38 ↗ we're living in Ogden Utah and my best

47:40 ↗ friend talked me into going and picking

47:43 ↗ beans and so we got this great idea that

47:49 ↗ it's hot it's like 500 degrees outside

47:52 ↗ and no wind and you're in these bean

47:53 ↗ rows and we're going along and all of a

47:56 ↗ sudden his bean was behind my head I

47:58 ↗ kind of looked around and it turned out

48:01 ↗ that there were three or four young

48:04 ↗ laborers that were not too happy that we

48:06 ↗ were there taking their job and so we

48:08 ↗ got in this great big bean war tore down

48:10 ↗ about 50 rows of beans and they asked us

48:13 ↗ not to come back

48:15 ↗ that was probably my worst job and the

48:17 ↗ first job in worst job my hobbies I like

48:20 ↗ to fish I volunteer at the across Salmon

48:23 ↗ Hatchery just about every day I like to

48:26 ↗ do woodworking and I've got three

48:31 ↗ grandkids that are all old like I think

48:34 ↗ the youngest one is 22 and I have three

48:36 ↗ great gang kids too that's it that's

48:45 ↗ pretty good well thank you what a

48:47 ↗ variety of talent if you think about the

48:51 ↗ mix we have now on the Commission you

48:54 ↗ know engineers technical experience

48:58 ↗ architects finance folks it's great yeah

49:03 ↗ two years and two years well so I'll

49:21 ↗ start through the agenda feel free to

49:24 ↗ turn it back to something more

49:25 ↗ entertaining so one of the questions

49:31 ↗ which was really interesting because I

49:33 ↗ didn't know exactly how to answer it was

49:34 ↗ how the Commission fit into the city

49:36 ↗ organizational structure so Lucy's crazy

49:41 ↗ diagram like the federal government

49:45 ↗ there are three branches you know the

49:48 ↗ legislative judicial and administration

49:54 ↗ and we all sort of fall under the

49:56 ↗ administration so I don't I put us on an

50:02 ↗ equal level because we're both decision

50:06 ↗ makers and recommenders depends on the

50:09 ↗ permits we'll talk about that later

50:11 ↗ sometimes GSD staff is recommending to

50:16 ↗ you all for a decision sometimes we're

50:18 ↗ recommending to you all for a

50:20 ↗ recommendation that will

50:21 ↗ go to the council sometimes we're making

50:24 ↗ recommendations directly to Council

50:26 ↗ that's usually on code not on permits

50:30 ↗ and so I think that's sort of the basic

50:37 ↗ structure any question versus Department

50:48 ↗ anything like that with a new city

50:49 ↗ manager yet to be determined

50:53 ↗ there's a study I can't remember exactly

50:56 ↗ the name of it but there's something

50:59 ↗ that I'm not sure he knows exactly what

51:01 ↗ it was intended in the budget city's

51:06 ↗ services study or something like that so

51:09 ↗ we're not sure what that is and whether

51:10 ↗ that may result in some restructuring

51:13 ↗ but not anything we know about it this

51:16 ↗ time so these are the slides that I

51:23 ↗ showed you earlier but I want to sort of

51:24 ↗ do it a little more unpacked in informal

51:27 ↗ way since we were in with PPC and the

51:31 ↗ attorney and everyone so you're the main

51:36 ↗ permits that come to you are the site

51:40 ↗ development permits a master site plan

51:42 ↗ and development agreements so that we're

51:45 ↗ going to talk about that some about the

51:48 ↗ review process and then some of your

51:51 ↗ other responsibilities so for site

51:58 ↗ development permits there are actually

52:00 ↗ three triggers now depending on what

52:02 ↗ part of the city you're in it could be

52:05 ↗ based on the site size it could be based

52:08 ↗ on the street that you abut or it could

52:11 ↗ be within central Issaquah the building

52:15 ↗ size and on those permits your decision

52:18 ↗ makers with master site plans those are

52:22 ↗ sites greater than 15 acres and in that

52:26 ↗ case you're making a recommendation to

52:28 ↗ council what typically happens is where

52:31 ↗ we actually bring a site

52:33 ↗ development permit and a master site

52:35 ↗ plan to you at the same time and because

52:39 ↗ they're coming to you at the same time

52:41 ↗ that counsel ends up being that decision

52:43 ↗ maker the idea with master site plans is

52:48 ↗ to have a master site plan that can be

52:50 ↗ built out in phases I think that staff

52:55 ↗ is beginning to think as part of our

52:57 ↗ Title 18 update that we don't need

52:59 ↗ master site plans anymore because really

53:01 ↗ master site plans we're the tool we had

53:03 ↗ before we had development agreements and

53:05 ↗ so we're thinking that rather than make

53:11 ↗ every project go through the master site

53:14 ↗ plan process you know if you have a

53:15 ↗ school and it's all going to be built in

53:17 ↗ one phase does the master site plan

53:19 ↗ provide you anything that you wouldn't

53:21 ↗ get through the site development permit

53:23 ↗ I think we're thinking no but that will

53:26 ↗ certainly be one of the conversations I

53:28 ↗ will want to have and and then

53:30 ↗ development agreements and and there's

53:33 ↗ no particular trigger for those they

53:36 ↗ typically for an urban village that

53:41 ↗ would be more than 15 acres so that you

53:44 ↗ can see where there's the parallel to

53:45 ↗ the master site plan but they're a

53:49 ↗ development agreement it's just to be an

53:52 ↗ urban village you have to be 15 acres

53:54 ↗ you don't have to be 15 acres to be a

53:57 ↗ development agreement that's just the

53:58 ↗ tool with the city chooses to use and

54:02 ↗ it's really up to the council to decide

54:04 ↗ that to say yes we want to proceed with

54:07 ↗ staff investing time and commissions and

54:10 ↗ the council investing time are there any

54:16 ↗ new development agreement areas that you

54:19 ↗ think would be like Ares big enough that

54:22 ↗ are undeveloped it we get we're seeing

54:24 ↗ some small development agreements take

54:27 ↗ Gilman lofts you know what you saw I

54:30 ↗ mean it came through during the

54:31 ↗ moratorium and they used a development

54:33 ↗ agreement to agree on the terms and it

54:36 ↗ was mostly about transportation

54:40 ↗ funding sharing so the development

54:43 ↗ agreement was capturing that funding

54:46 ↗ partnership so you know that's an

54:48 ↗ example of where it's a very small site

54:50 ↗ but the development agreement was the

54:52 ↗ tool to allow that to proceed and under

54:57 ↗ what terms so I don't think we'll see

55:00 ↗ big I mean I think given some of the

55:02 ↗ ending of development agreements and the

55:04 ↗ challenges we faced we I don't know what

55:07 ↗ that we would want to enter into any

55:09 ↗ more development agreements but you know

55:12 ↗ I there could very well be a property

55:15 ↗ owner that comes forward and the council

55:17 ↗ sees an opportunity for both public

55:20 ↗ benefit and working with that property

55:22 ↗ owner to create a vision and a kind of

55:25 ↗ commitment to each other and me you know

55:29 ↗ might happen okay

55:32 ↗ unrelated question maybe you mentioned

55:34 ↗ the Gilman lofts

55:36 ↗ I'm curious would we ever be able to do

55:39 ↗ like a field trip to something like that

55:41 ↗ that was a unique project that we went

55:43 ↗ through to actually when it's done to go

55:45 ↗ out there and on a nice day and talk

55:48 ↗ about okay here with the plans here's

55:50 ↗ what we saw here's what we initially saw

55:53 ↗ here's what we came up with here's what

55:56 ↗ it looks like now here's how it

55:58 ↗ functions yeah you know I think Mel

56:02 ↗ that's a great idea we did that the

56:04 ↗ summer with rivers and streams who was

56:06 ↗ interested in going out and see some of

56:08 ↗ the mitigation plans that they had

56:09 ↗ reviewed and how it played out and

56:12 ↗ whether it was what they expected and

56:16 ↗ actually three or four years ago we

56:20 ↗ started doing it with staff as well

56:22 ↗ every August we take all the projects

56:25 ↗ that have been finished in the year and

56:26 ↗ we decide which ones we want to go see

56:28 ↗ and we just spend a whole day going and

56:30 ↗ walking projects we try and have some of

56:33 ↗ the inspectors along we have planners

56:35 ↗ and engineers because we just really

56:38 ↗ want you know you can look at the

56:39 ↗ drawings you can talk look at the

56:41 ↗ pictures it's not the same as standing

56:43 ↗ someplace and saying would we ever do

56:45 ↗ this again

56:47 ↗ this workout are we happy with this why

56:50 ↗ didn't this work why

56:52 ↗ you know what would we want to do

56:53 ↗ differently and I think those are great

56:55 ↗ conversations I yeah i think i would

56:57 ↗ like to wait till next summer yeah so

57:03 ↗ think about some of the projects you'd

57:05 ↗ like to go visit I mean I know Gilman

57:08 ↗ lofts has been offering staff to come

57:09 ↗ out and see it while it's under

57:11 ↗ construction

57:12 ↗ I haven't taken advantage of it because

57:14 ↗ I don't need another boot I think that's

57:18 ↗ a great idea yeah great no not that I

57:27 ↗ think of there was in 2018 we terminated

57:35 ↗ three its Highlands and talus

57:39 ↗ there was a little one where the YWCA

57:41 ↗ and Z home are that actually was a

57:45 ↗ separate development agreement and then

57:47 ↗ the what's artfully called the wash TDR

57:51 ↗ development agreement which is where

57:53 ↗ Pine Crest and Sun Ridge and Bellevue

57:56 ↗ college all of the residential portion

57:59 ↗ because that was complete was pulled out

58:01 ↗ and so the development agreement

58:03 ↗ continues to exist but just for Bellevue

58:06 ↗ college and I don't remember the exact

58:09 ↗ term but there's probably a fair amount

58:11 ↗ of time left on that that was just

58:13 ↗ available for the college because if you

58:16 ↗ know there was no telling how long that

58:18 ↗ would take then the next set of

58:24 ↗ development agreements was rally

58:27 ↗ properties the next year was lakeside

58:30 ↗ for the upper portion and then Swedish

58:33 ↗ was pulled out of his clients and made

58:36 ↗ its own development agreement because

58:38 ↗ they knew as client's development

58:40 ↗ agreement was going to terminate soon

58:41 ↗ they bought another ten acres and seven

58:47 ↗ hundred thousand square feet I think

58:49 ↗ they have a total know I think they have

58:52 ↗ a total of just over a million

58:54 ↗ square feet of which they built about

58:56 ↗ half and that actually their mess

59:01 ↗ they're required to do a master plan in

59:03 ↗ a certain period of time and that's

59:05 ↗ going to come up so in the next I would

59:08 ↗ guess maybe your to the master site plan

59:11 ↗ for that may be coming to you all but

59:16 ↗ those are all like 20 and 30 year

59:19 ↗ development agreements so I think

59:21 ↗ they'll be around for a while the

59:26 ↗ Commission look at whatever's going on

59:29 ↗ and over by the trampoline sales place I

59:33 ↗ think that's that's part of the rally

59:40 ↗ formula very it was very competitive who

59:45 ↗ which staff person got to review it

59:49 ↗ seems like way too much fun and then you

59:51 ↗ have the Costco canvass expansion right

59:56 ↗ thank you for mentioning that that one

59:58 ↗ is unusual because again it was partly

1:00:01 ↗ or primarily transportation financing

1:00:05 ↗ partnership for building 62nd connection

1:00:09 ↗ in the bridge and everything but as part

1:00:12 ↗ of having that agreement I'm and they're

1:00:15 ↗ actually a few small transportation

1:00:17 ↗ improvements less left to build you know

1:00:20 ↗ for Costco to make that investment in

1:00:23 ↗ transportation improvements they wanted

1:00:26 ↗ some certainty about being able to

1:00:27 ↗ expand and build out their campus and so

1:00:31 ↗ those the garage is permitted and under

1:00:35 ↗ construction in the office building is

1:00:37 ↗ pretty close to having the permits

1:00:39 ↗ issued yeah well they start construction

1:00:42 ↗ on the office you think once we get the

1:00:45 ↗ permit oh yeah jump right now they would

1:00:46 ↗ like to have had the permits ages ago

1:00:49 ↗ you know some of it is just there has

1:00:53 ↗ been some technology issues related you

1:00:57 ↗ know there's a lot of pile drive

1:00:58 ↗ and stone columns and so we're learning

1:01:01 ↗ a lot about new technologies on the

1:01:03 ↗ valley floor and then part of it is just

1:01:06 ↗ that's a really big complicated building

1:01:08 ↗ - for both mg2 and the city to figure

1:01:14 ↗ out how to pull it all together so

1:01:23 ↗ another question was sort of what you

1:01:25 ↗ know lay out the process and sort of

1:01:27 ↗ help the Commission understand where you

1:01:30 ↗ fit into it we typically start with a

1:01:36 ↗ sort of collaborate collab a meeting and

1:01:40 ↗ that's where they may bring in just a

1:01:42 ↗ sketch or a very loose plan and it's an

1:01:48 ↗ opportunity to sort of make sure they're

1:01:49 ↗ looking at the right codes talk about

1:01:52 ↗ what we know what they want to do and

1:01:55 ↗ kind of make sure we're all pointed in

1:01:57 ↗ the same direction and then we encourage

1:02:01 ↗ them to come in for what we call a

1:02:03 ↗ pre-op meeting where they develop more

1:02:06 ↗ detailed plans and the idea is to try

1:02:10 ↗ and really work together reviewing so

1:02:15 ↗ that when they bring in their full SDP

1:02:16 ↗ there's not a lot of changes that we can

1:02:18 ↗ go straight into writing a staff report

1:02:20 ↗ and getting it on to you guys or the

1:02:25 ↗ administrative site development permit

1:02:27 ↗ if it's a smaller project and we do a

1:02:31 ↗ staff report development commission

1:02:34 ↗ notice of decision for some reason we

1:02:38 ↗ have three appeals right now I have to

1:02:40 ↗ tell you I have like done no Appeals in

1:02:42 ↗ my entire 24 years here and I'm doing a

1:02:44 ↗ lot of peels right now

1:02:47 ↗ yeah only ones suffering from that trend

1:02:50 ↗ right now it's just pardon growth

1:02:52 ↗ pressures in the region yeah we're

1:02:54 ↗ seeing more pushback what is the appeal

1:02:56 ↗ process so there is a certain period of

1:03:00 ↗ time so when we issue so when the

1:03:06 ↗ Development Commission I'm just going to

1:03:07 ↗ play it up her through the process that

1:03:09 ↗ you know let's say one night that you

1:03:14 ↗ vote to approve something or just deny

1:03:18 ↗ something and you usually authorize the

1:03:21 ↗ Chairman to work with the staff to

1:03:24 ↗ prepare a notice of decision staff may

1:03:27 ↗ or may not have started writing it but a

1:03:29 ↗ lot of times there's things that

1:03:31 ↗ happened that last night that we need to

1:03:32 ↗ make sure reflected in the notice of

1:03:34 ↗ decision we prepare it we send it to the

1:03:38 ↗ chair who reviews the signs it gets it

1:03:41 ↗ back to us we send that out to all the

1:03:44 ↗ parties of record including the

1:03:47 ↗ applicant and there's I believe a 14 day

1:03:50 ↗ appeal period in which they can submit

1:03:55 ↗ an appeal and pay a fee and then we use

1:04:02 ↗ a Hearing Examiner which is kind of like

1:04:04 ↗ a judge and that is a firm that we

1:04:09 ↗ contract with and it's very court-like

1:04:15 ↗ which is kind of although I've learned

1:04:18 ↗ more than I care to about that process

1:04:21 ↗ you know it's it's pre hearing orders

1:04:25 ↗ motions briefs staff reports and then we

1:04:29 ↗ go make

1:04:30 ↗ presentation and Hearing Examiner issues

1:04:35 ↗ decision and then that is typically the

1:04:40 ↗ end of the road within the city process

1:04:42 ↗ there is the ability to appeal to

1:04:45 ↗ Superior Court so the appeals are only

1:04:49 ↗ by the Africa no frankly so this isn't

1:04:54 ↗ the way we ever operate but we could

1:04:56 ↗ appeal one of your decisions you could

1:04:58 ↗ appeal one of you could have you know

1:05:01 ↗ like if one of you didn't agree with the

1:05:03 ↗ decision the applicant can appeal or a

1:05:06 ↗ third party I mean the evergreen Ford

1:05:09 ↗ appeal is a third party so in the urban

1:05:16 ↗ villages the development agreements

1:05:18 ↗ typically you had to demonstrate

1:05:20 ↗ standing I think that may have been one

1:05:25 ↗ of the motions for the iske

1:05:28 ↗ environmental council was whether they

1:05:31 ↗ had standing to appeal I have really not

1:05:36 ↗ read any it's not my problem so I just

1:05:38 ↗ kind of follow along at a distance does

1:05:49 ↗ somebody you have to have some actual

1:05:51 ↗ basis for the appeal or they just file a

1:05:54 ↗ form and say I don't like this decision

1:05:56 ↗ I think you should overturn it they

1:06:00 ↗ could it would be an unwise use of their

1:06:02 ↗ money yes you need to if you want to be

1:06:06 ↗ successful you need to find that there

1:06:08 ↗ was an error and you know I think that

1:06:12 ↗ is one of the things that sometimes hard

1:06:14 ↗ for citizens to understand you know when

1:06:17 ↗ as I am

1:06:19 ↗ project at Tallis that a lot of resident

1:06:22 ↗ neighbors were unhappy about and as I

1:06:26 ↗ said to them you know when when you're a

1:06:28 ↗ neighbor and you're commenting on the

1:06:30 ↗ original permit you can just say I want

1:06:32 ↗ all the buildings to be blue I don't

1:06:34 ↗ want any traffic you know you can say

1:06:36 ↗ all the things that you want to say and

1:06:38 ↗ we have to consider those things and

1:06:42 ↗ whether there's a basis in code for

1:06:45 ↗ adding conditions or mitigating or

1:06:49 ↗ constraining the project based on those

1:06:52 ↗ comments but going forward with the

1:06:56 ↗ appeal you need to demonstrate that

1:06:58 ↗ there's some kind of error that's been

1:07:00 ↗ made and before it would go to a hearing

1:07:06 ↗ well

1:07:08 ↗ most hearing examiner's would just go

1:07:10 ↗ ahead and hear it they I mean they may

1:07:14 ↗ and that for instance if a citizen says

1:07:19 ↗ you know they could submit an appeal and

1:07:25 ↗ and the appellant motion I mean the

1:07:28 ↗ applicants motion could be this should

1:07:31 ↗ be dismissed and the Hearing Examiner

1:07:34 ↗ could choose to act on that motion or

1:07:37 ↗ they could say I want to hear the whole

1:07:40 ↗ thing before I make a decision mm-hmm is

1:07:44 ↗ there a cost for the group or person

1:07:46 ↗ appealing yes it's seven hundred and

1:07:49 ↗ fifty dollars which is a lot for an

1:07:51 ↗ individual and there's a lot of times

1:07:54 ↗ they will have lawyers or other people

1:07:57 ↗ to assist them it is one of the few

1:08:00 ↗ areas in which we're not covering the

1:08:02 ↗ city's costs they can be quite expensive

1:08:06 ↗ I mean we're paying for the hearing

1:08:07 ↗ examiner's time we're paying for staff

1:08:10 ↗ time and often staff consultants you

1:08:14 ↗ know if there's with Evergreen forward

1:08:17 ↗ you know a lot of that's going to

1:08:18 ↗ non-expert the experts that we had

1:08:21 ↗ coming and testifying so then you know

1:08:30 ↗ whether there's an appeal or not and

1:08:31 ↗ assuming that the appeal doesn't

1:08:33 ↗ overturn we then go into construction

1:08:37 ↗ permits often they will submit them we

1:08:41 ↗ typically they can submit a permit at

1:08:44 ↗ any time and it's partly because

1:08:46 ↗ sometimes people want to get vested to

1:08:49 ↗ certain codes but we recommend that they

1:08:53 ↗ not submit until after the first meeting

1:08:55 ↗ with you so they have a sense of whether

1:08:57 ↗ there are any big issues that because we

1:08:59 ↗ don't want to be doing all the quality

1:09:02 ↗ control review of their permits to find

1:09:04 ↗ all the ways it doesn't comply with the

1:09:05 ↗ conditions but we cannot issue of course

1:09:09 ↗ any any permits until after that

1:09:12 ↗ decision in appeal period then they move

1:09:16 ↗ into construction we often do a series

1:09:20 ↗ of permits like a site work permit will

1:09:22 ↗ be infrastructure and grading building

1:09:25 ↗ permit landscape permit and it allows us

1:09:27 ↗ to not have to review everything all at

1:09:30 ↗ once and kind of begin to get things out

1:09:32 ↗ in a series then there of course

1:09:35 ↗ inspections and then occupancy you know

1:09:39 ↗ some of you have been on a long time we

1:09:41 ↗ are not done with gateway yet we're just

1:09:44 ↗ getting ready to try and get occupancy

1:09:47 ↗ that's the project on Newport it's

1:09:50 ↗ called anthology now nineteen buildings

1:09:52 ↗ they had seven nobody's moved in yet oh

1:09:54 ↗ now they're all moved in you can get a

1:09:58 ↗ temporary certificate of occupancy if it

1:10:00 ↗ meets all the building code requirements

1:10:02 ↗ and it's considered you know health and

1:10:05 ↗ safety and basic functionality has been

1:10:07 ↗ taken care of often we're doing

1:10:09 ↗ landscape inspections you know sort of

1:10:13 ↗ infrastructure inspections if the you

1:10:18 ↗ know if you can drive and walk safely

1:10:20 ↗ there we may be saying you have to fix

1:10:22 ↗ that

1:10:22 ↗ crack or add that bench over here that

1:10:24 ↗ you had on your plans I think the two

1:10:28 ↗ five-story buildings right along i-90

1:10:31 ↗ are not occupied yet but the rest of the

1:10:33 ↗ site I mean I was there inspecting this

1:10:35 ↗ summer and they were all swimming in the

1:10:36 ↗ pool and I'm just thinking this is weird

1:10:42 ↗ but I think that is one of the things

1:10:45 ↗ that's just remarkable to me I mean we

1:10:46 ↗ started in whatever 2016 or something

1:10:51 ↗ doing the land use permits for that and

1:10:53 ↗ you know or maybe even 2015 and here we

1:10:58 ↗ are you know at the end of 2019 trying

1:11:01 ↗ to close out of the project

1:11:04 ↗ I'm curious Lucy for projects I think

1:11:07 ↗ it's the Taco Bell there on Gilman

1:11:09 ↗ that's that's kind of on hold I mean is

1:11:12 ↗ do you see a lot of pressure on your end

1:11:15 ↗ or on your staff staff and you know get

1:11:20 ↗ that moving you know maybe by the

1:11:21 ↗ general public or I'm not too familiar

1:11:24 ↗ with the history of that or what's

1:11:25 ↗ happened there specifically but I've

1:11:26 ↗ always been curious as I've walked past

1:11:28 ↗ and ridden past you know what what was

1:11:30 ↗ going on there and I think what it's an

1:11:41 ↗ inspection issue I would say one of the

1:11:47 ↗ things that's interesting in the city of

1:11:49 ↗ is Squa is that a lot of the valley

1:11:52 ↗ floor is a floodplain and people

1:11:56 ↗ sometimes make choices in the floodplain

1:11:58 ↗ and don't understand the implications of

1:12:01 ↗ it and the and you know the regulations

1:12:07 ↗ for

1:12:09 ↗ stormwater for architectural review for

1:12:14 ↗ floodplains they've all just gotten more

1:12:16 ↗ and more complicated and I think you

1:12:21 ↗ know sometimes it's a national

1:12:24 ↗ organization that isn't used to working

1:12:26 ↗ in that this part of the state sometimes

1:12:30 ↗ it's a single-family home owner who sort

1:12:32 ↗ of gets carried away doesn't realize

1:12:35 ↗ that they are in a floodplain and so

1:12:38 ↗ it's you know we just have to stop and

1:12:41 ↗ figure out how we move forward thank you

1:12:44 ↗ yeah so the main focus for you guys is

1:12:52 ↗ the area that has the box around it you

1:12:57 ↗ know we get the permit we prepare staff

1:13:01 ↗ report and bring it to you so I'm going

1:13:04 ↗ to sort of unpack that bit of the

1:13:06 ↗ process a little more did you have a

1:13:08 ↗ question okay so taking those three

1:13:12 ↗ boxes staff report development

1:13:15 ↗ Commission and then the notice of

1:13:17 ↗ decision generally we issue the staff

1:13:20 ↗ report about a week before our first

1:13:26 ↗ goal is to get it out to you

1:13:27 ↗ electronically sometimes it's a day or

1:13:31 ↗ so before they get it in the mail but

1:13:34 ↗ there's been a push to try and make it

1:13:37 ↗ all electronic but I don't think most

1:13:39 ↗ people have big enough monitors to be

1:13:41 ↗ able to read the drawings at home and so

1:13:45 ↗ I continue to push that you guys get

1:13:48 ↗ paper copies of at least things with

1:13:50 ↗ drawings in them the - it's a public

1:13:58 ↗ hearing with these permits and the two

1:14:01 ↗ meeting format is an outgrowth of sort

1:14:05 ↗ of something we developed under the MDRT

1:14:07 ↗ and our goal is that at that first

1:14:09 ↗ meeting we hear the comments and

1:14:12 ↗ concerns and questions from the pub

1:14:14 ↗ and from the Commission and then be able

1:14:16 ↗ to go away and work with the applicant

1:14:19 ↗ and sort of figure out do we add edit

1:14:22 ↗ revise conditions it's I I've done one

1:14:27 ↗ meeting occasionally I have done one

1:14:30 ↗ meeting and it's really tough

1:14:32 ↗ negotiating in real time with

1:14:34 ↗ commissioners and applicants and the

1:14:38 ↗ other thing I like about is it creates a

1:14:40 ↗ really good record for staff an

1:14:42 ↗ applicant later on that if things that

1:14:44 ↗ have come up we have both Susan load as

1:14:47 ↗ you know because you review them takes

1:14:49 ↗ the most amazing minutes and you know I

1:14:53 ↗ may still have to go back and look at

1:14:54 ↗ videotape but I can read through the

1:14:56 ↗ minutes and kind of have a pretty good

1:14:57 ↗ idea of where the thing I'm looking for

1:14:59 ↗ is and then with the briefing response

1:15:04 ↗ memo you know it really creates a pretty

1:15:05 ↗ detailed explanation of why we're

1:15:08 ↗ recommending what we're recommending and

1:15:11 ↗ then coming back to you to sort of get

1:15:14 ↗ your final take on that additional

1:15:16 ↗ information and then as I said we go

1:15:21 ↗ away after that if you've authorized us

1:15:23 ↗ to to prepare a notice of decision you

1:15:29 ↗ know the notice of decision as Richard

1:15:31 ↗ can probably tell you and anyone else

1:15:33 ↗ who's been a chair is it's pretty long

1:15:35 ↗ it's pretty boring we have to do

1:15:40 ↗ findings and conclusions we usually put

1:15:43 ↗ the motion in because often you're

1:15:44 ↗ editing it and the editing the

1:15:46 ↗ conditions through the motion and we

1:15:48 ↗ think it's helpful to have that in the

1:15:51 ↗ notice of decision as well as all the

1:15:52 ↗ conditions to provide any guidance

1:15:55 ↗ especially if there's an appeal how

1:15:59 ↗ often does the chairperson change are

1:16:01 ↗ you elected or volunteer yep so

1:16:06 ↗ typically the meeting or so after the

1:16:12 ↗ new commissioners are seated then we

1:16:17 ↗ would hold elections we usually like to

1:16:19 ↗ give the Commission ahead

1:16:21 ↗ that at the next meeting there will be

1:16:24 ↗ election so people can think about it

1:16:26 ↗ and get their campaign slogans together

1:16:33 ↗ and a lot of times we've had like a

1:16:35 ↗ vice-chair become a chair kind of thing

1:16:37 ↗ but and then partly I think with keeping

1:16:40 ↗ Richard round two was because of the

1:16:44 ↗ project that we had up in the highlands

1:16:47 ↗ to keep that continuity of those

1:16:50 ↗ meetings going and everything so right

1:16:54 ↗ sorry no that's okay I'm always

1:16:57 ↗ impressed with the staff report it's

1:16:59 ↗ incredibly comprehensive you tell us a

1:17:01 ↗ little bit about what goes into that and

1:17:03 ↗ seeing mine that curtain is that just

1:17:05 ↗ one plan or writing all that where's

1:17:06 ↗ that a variety of people preparing that

1:17:09 ↗ document it's mostly one planner I think

1:17:13 ↗ we're an unusual department because

1:17:17 ↗ Keith and I both came from the MDRT and

1:17:19 ↗ part of the reason that I think they

1:17:22 ↗ merged you know so when DST was created

1:17:26 ↗ it was planning building current

1:17:29 ↗ engineering MDRT were all merged

1:17:33 ↗ together and I think the idea was to

1:17:36 ↗ sort of benefit from some of the lessons

1:17:39 ↗ I think we've also seen some of the

1:17:41 ↗ shortcomings of that entity but I think

1:17:45 ↗ the thing that meant a lot to both of us

1:17:49 ↗ was that the planners and engineers

1:17:52 ↗ worked hand in hand and the idea was to

1:17:55 ↗ build a great community and not just to

1:17:57 ↗ engineer a perfect system and so we one

1:18:02 ↗ of my engineers calls us plant engineers

1:18:07 ↗ I really like that and so I think it's

1:18:12 ↗ been kind of unusual for a lot of

1:18:15 ↗ planners to come when they come to the

1:18:17 ↗ city or even the planners that we had

1:18:20 ↗ when there was just a planning

1:18:21 ↗ department

1:18:22 ↗ I expect the engineers to write the

1:18:24 ↗ engineering sections the roads the

1:18:27 ↗ circulation sections are one of them

1:18:29 ↗ we'll take the first shot and then the

1:18:31 ↗ other one follows along but you know

1:18:34 ↗ because of the nature of the staff

1:18:35 ↗ report probably 75% of it is written by

1:18:38 ↗ the planner well and you know it's a

1:18:46 ↗ thank you but you know I think part of

1:18:50 ↗ it is sometimes staff some staff have

1:18:55 ↗ one to really streamline that process

1:18:56 ↗ and I think that we're a very

1:19:00 ↗ detail-oriented community it captures I

1:19:06 ↗ think what we've tried to do is strike a

1:19:08 ↗ balance where we capture a lot of detail

1:19:10 ↗ I can't tell you the number of times

1:19:12 ↗ where I've used the staff report to say

1:19:14 ↗ to the applicant see I told you this was

1:19:17 ↗ going to be an X and it's got to be an X

1:19:20 ↗ that's the way we described it in here

1:19:22 ↗ yeah and or five years later they want

1:19:26 ↗ to change something or add something or

1:19:28 ↗ expand it and we've got something to go

1:19:31 ↗ back to and say how did we think about

1:19:33 ↗ that why did we make that decision why

1:19:35 ↗ is it this way and so you know I think

1:19:40 ↗ the interesting thing about staff

1:19:42 ↗ reports as they serve a number of

1:19:43 ↗ purposes and you know if it was if you

1:19:48 ↗ if you ever look at one of our

1:19:50 ↗ administrative staff reports it's so

1:19:52 ↗ much more streamlined because it's

1:19:54 ↗ really just between us and the applicant

1:19:56 ↗ but when we have these bigger more

1:19:58 ↗ complex permits that we have to explain

1:20:00 ↗ to the public to the Commission to the

1:20:02 ↗ applicant it is more unpacked

1:20:08 ↗ one of the other things I really

1:20:10 ↗ appreciate is the you know is the city

1:20:12 ↗ map that calls out all the various

1:20:13 ↗ projects that are going on and you're

1:20:15 ↗ able to click anywhere specifically and

1:20:17 ↗ receive all that documentation specific

1:20:20 ↗ to that area of that zone so it getting

1:20:23 ↗ congratulations on that and I think

1:20:24 ↗ that's a great I had nothing to do with

1:20:27 ↗ it but I completely agree I said you

1:20:31 ↗ know I actually finally went to

1:20:32 ↗ communications and said we need a URL

1:20:35 ↗ just for that map and they finally put a

1:20:38 ↗ banner on the front page because we were

1:20:39 ↗ sending so many people there and you

1:20:43 ↗ know the school district uses that the

1:20:45 ↗ county uses that the Assessor uses it at

1:20:47 ↗ school you know both transportation and

1:20:50 ↗ planning at the school district use it I

1:20:52 ↗ mean it really I we have an amazing IT

1:20:56 ↗ guy who's embedded in our department and

1:20:59 ↗ we are so lucky to have him because but

1:21:20 ↗ he is he's just really good at tailoring

1:21:24 ↗ everything in troubleshooting and he and

1:21:27 ↗ Christopher right

1:21:29 ↗ who is your lays on for many years

1:21:32 ↗ really came up with that as a tool to

1:21:35 ↗ communicate with the public because you

1:21:38 ↗ know it's just really hard the new

1:21:40 ↗ websites gonna launch soon and I think

1:21:42 ↗ they're actually going to tie that map

1:21:45 ↗ to neighborhoods because for a lot of

1:21:47 ↗ people they want to understand in the

1:21:48 ↗ neighborhood not a whole city

1:21:50 ↗ perspective so I agree that quality of

1:21:54 ↗ the work coming staffing is well our top

1:21:57 ↗ shelf I can tell from the experience

1:21:59 ↗ working with them so the the other thing

1:22:02 ↗ too and little by little you've modified

1:22:03 ↗ the process and that's in the products

1:22:05 ↗ and we're still working through

1:22:07 ↗ implementation of the centralized of

1:22:09 ↗ call design guidelines and how that

1:22:12 ↗ works but you know the thing that you

1:22:14 ↗ did add this response memo following

1:22:16 ↗ kind of what was previously called the

1:22:18 ↗ community conference provides another

1:22:21 ↗ level of documentation I think it serves

1:22:23 ↗ what you just described a permit

1:22:24 ↗ issuance but it also helps us because

1:22:27 ↗ there's these breaks that we go through

1:22:28 ↗ and we come back it's really well

1:22:31 ↗ organized it says you said this here's

1:22:34 ↗ how the applicants and how the city are

1:22:36 ↗ responding to the comments from the

1:22:38 ↗ Commission for the Commission and the

1:22:39 ↗ public to that that speak so I think

1:22:42 ↗ that's a great tool for you know one

1:22:45 ↗ keep creating it's a good record but

1:22:47 ↗ it's also really helpful I think in

1:22:49 ↗ keeping the process kind of clear and

1:22:51 ↗ OnPoint as we go through toward making

1:22:54 ↗ the final decision permit so I really

1:22:57 ↗ give a lot of credit to the city's

1:22:59 ↗ continued evolution and refining the

1:23:02 ↗ process that we use and still obviously

1:23:05 ↗ work in progress always is yeah but it

1:23:08 ↗ is really organized I think well thank

1:23:15 ↗ you but and the thing I would say it's

1:23:17 ↗ some of our best ideas come from you

1:23:18 ↗ guys so don't hesitate to tell us you

1:23:21 ↗ know if you for instance our development

1:23:24 ↗ agreements the reason we have

1:23:26 ↗ consolidated definitions was a

1:23:28 ↗ commissioner just said why do you have a

1:23:30 ↗ set of definitions in every single

1:23:32 ↗ appendix that's insane and we're like

1:23:34 ↗ yeah it is but you know you just

1:23:37 ↗ sometimes you guys see it from a

1:23:39 ↗ different perspective your users and we

1:23:42 ↗ really appreciate those suggestions

1:23:44 ↗ about what is helpful to you because a

1:23:47 ↗ lot of times it means it's so much

1:23:49 ↗ clearer and it makes it a sometimes it

1:23:51 ↗ even makes it much easier for us to do

1:23:53 ↗ what we do so don't hesitate and the

1:23:56 ↗ nice thing you know because before well

1:23:59 ↗ like we would have a community

1:24:01 ↗ conference and then and then a project

1:24:03 ↗ come before us and there'd be times

1:24:04 ↗ where a bunch of points were brought up

1:24:06 ↗ in a community conference and then

1:24:08 ↗ there'd be the project but nothing

1:24:10 ↗ mentioned and thinking well did they

1:24:13 ↗ just ignore my comments

1:24:15 ↗ or nobody paid attention or didn't like

1:24:17 ↗ it or what it seems like in your

1:24:19 ↗ responses you catch everything a lot I

1:24:23 ↗ liked how you group it together times to

1:24:24 ↗ say here the this group of comments

1:24:27 ↗ about this and so everything's in there

1:24:29 ↗ so even if something wasn't changed we

1:24:32 ↗ know it was addressed and there's a

1:24:34 ↗ reason for it or here's why it was

1:24:36 ↗ addressed differently than we thought it

1:24:38 ↗ might be in that that's really helpful

1:24:39 ↗ to know good well and I know sometimes

1:24:43 ↗ you guys say no not really

1:24:46 ↗ it hasn't quite been addressed yet and

1:24:48 ↗ but you know that that in and of itself

1:24:51 ↗ allows us to really focus and I think

1:24:54 ↗ that's the important thing too is you

1:24:56 ↗ know I know you guys are trying to track

1:24:58 ↗ all the various threads that come up

1:25:00 ↗ from the public from your fellow

1:25:02 ↗ commissioners in yourselves and being

1:25:04 ↗ able to go through and say yeah that one

1:25:06 ↗ was addressed for me this one's

1:25:08 ↗ addressed for me I still have questions

1:25:11 ↗ or concerns around this one I think

1:25:13 ↗ really lets us then you know we have

1:25:15 ↗ these these bases for just search saying

1:25:19 ↗ that one's done that one's done and this

1:25:21 ↗ is the one where we're going to spend

1:25:22 ↗ our time you know you guys just went

1:25:29 ↗ through this other responsibilities

1:25:32 ↗ which is the preliminary plat community

1:25:36 ↗ conference I think that was an outgrowth

1:25:41 ↗ of in in the urban villages Platzer

1:25:46 ↗ handle were handled totally differently

1:25:48 ↗ than in the rest of the city in the rest

1:25:51 ↗ of the city both the preliminary and

1:25:53 ↗ final plat goes to the Hearing Examiner

1:25:55 ↗ and I think that I don't know what you

1:25:58 ↗ guys are doing but final plots will

1:26:00 ↗ probably move to be just an

1:26:02 ↗ administrative decision the state has

1:26:04 ↗ allowed that and putting together the

1:26:06 ↗ stuff for a final plat in front of the

1:26:08 ↗ hearing examiner's so time-consuming and

1:26:10 ↗ really it's a technical review of

1:26:12 ↗ compliance and so I think we feel that

1:26:16 ↗ while you know you you spend all this

1:26:20 ↗ time on the technical stuff and then you

1:26:22 ↗ have to write a staff report

1:26:23 ↗ how what did I do with all this

1:26:25 ↗ technical stuff but in the urban

1:26:29 ↗ villages we would go to the Commission

1:26:32 ↗ and then we would go to the council and

1:26:36 ↗ the council made the decision so it

1:26:38 ↗ would take forever

1:26:39 ↗ first of all just because you had to you

1:26:41 ↗ know you had to get her an agenda bill

1:26:43 ↗ and then you would go to a committee and

1:26:44 ↗ then you come back to the full council

1:26:46 ↗ but I think one of the things that we

1:26:49 ↗ appreciated is that as much as these

1:26:54 ↗ activities are absolutely legal

1:26:57 ↗ activities that have to be done in

1:26:59 ↗ compliance with the law we're also

1:27:01 ↗ building community and there are often

1:27:04 ↗ things with some you know subjectivity

1:27:09 ↗ in terms of a performance standard or a

1:27:13 ↗ design guideline that we're looking for

1:27:17 ↗ input on in terms of whether we are

1:27:20 ↗ complying those are the things we really

1:27:22 ↗ like to have a conversation with you

1:27:24 ↗ because you know if they're supposed to

1:27:27 ↗ be 15 parking stalls and there's 15

1:27:29 ↗ parking stalls there may not be a lot to

1:27:31 ↗ talk about

1:27:32 ↗ but if is it pedestrian friendly that's

1:27:35 ↗ a great conversation and so I think that

1:27:40 ↗ was part of why we looked at having the

1:27:45 ↗ community conference with preliminary

1:27:48 ↗ plats and the urban villages and I think

1:27:51 ↗ that'll be one thing that will discuss

1:27:53 ↗ about whether we're going to do that

1:27:55 ↗ citywide as part of Title I team we're

1:27:58 ↗ trying to take aways all the like 18

1:28:00 ↗ different variations on things that were

1:28:03 ↗ doing

1:28:03 ↗ so that's and having gone through that

1:28:07 ↗ once I don't know if you have thoughts

1:28:09 ↗ about it I would certainly be interested

1:28:10 ↗ in hearing the Commission's thoughts

1:28:16 ↗ trying to recall the experience well it

1:28:19 ↗ was shelters plan yeah because a lot of

1:28:23 ↗ that experience something else but

1:28:26 ↗ I think you know administrative ly most

1:28:29 ↗ it's always the balance between how much

1:28:32 ↗ process are you going to put in front of

1:28:34 ↗ moving development through your system

1:28:39 ↗ versus trying to make sure you're from

1:28:42 ↗ an economic development and city in

1:28:44 ↗ community building standpoint trying to

1:28:46 ↗ create predictability and a fairly

1:28:47 ↗ smooth path to let the the appropriate

1:28:50 ↗ development happen that's what you're

1:28:51 ↗ looking for and so when it comes to the

1:28:54 ↗ plat process I don't know that we have a

1:28:57 ↗ ton of added value it is a very

1:28:59 ↗ technical conversation or exercise when

1:29:01 ↗ you're talking about planning a piece of

1:29:03 ↗ property it's really when you start you

1:29:06 ↗ know developing the projects that are

1:29:08 ↗ going to sit on top is where I think the

1:29:10 ↗ value-added comes back in from the

1:29:12 ↗ Commission I do think there would be you

1:29:14 ↗ know depending on where you want to take

1:29:17 ↗ the process there may be situations

1:29:19 ↗ where the staff is looking for some

1:29:21 ↗ feedback it's not a decision from the

1:29:23 ↗ Commission but it's a body that can

1:29:24 ↗ provide some it's a standing body that

1:29:28 ↗ we can provide some consult back to the

1:29:31 ↗ staff even though it may be an

1:29:33 ↗ administrative ultimately administrative

1:29:34 ↗ decision depending on where it ends up

1:29:36 ↗ the idea of sending plats through a

1:29:38 ↗ Hearing Examiner to the City Council for

1:29:40 ↗ decisions that would be very unusual

1:29:43 ↗ compared to what's going on I think

1:29:45 ↗ they're places I think the reason some

1:29:47 ↗ of the laws changed over time was just

1:29:49 ↗ because there was so much process in the

1:29:50 ↗ way and I think that the developers and

1:29:53 ↗ builders were successful in trying to

1:29:54 ↗ move something out of the way

1:29:56 ↗ but again it is it's always this

1:29:58 ↗ balancing act between how much process

1:30:01 ↗ and regulation and going to put in the

1:30:02 ↗ way versus trying to smooth the path of

1:30:04 ↗ what development happen and I you know

1:30:06 ↗ for a long time we did a lot of Platts I

1:30:10 ↗ mean I I don't even know how many Platts

1:30:14 ↗ I've done now but I would say probably

1:30:17 ↗ 80 or 90% of them are single-family

1:30:20 ↗ Platts and you know that's one thing and

1:30:26 ↗ then plots for non residential or

1:30:29 ↗ multifamily projects or another

1:30:31 ↗ and so I'm just not sure that we have

1:30:34 ↗ enough big pieces of land that it's

1:30:36 ↗ going to be a really key issue anyway

1:30:38 ↗ but just it's good to hear your thoughts

1:30:42 ↗ any part of the difficulty with

1:30:46 ↗ community confidence for shelter was

1:30:48 ↗ it's been a year listening to all the

1:30:52 ↗ stuff and really didn't learn anything

1:30:54 ↗ new and so at least in my case I didn't

1:30:57 ↗ think I learned very much new and so the

1:30:59 ↗ consequence of being able to have any

1:31:01 ↗ effective input in into it was pretty

1:31:05 ↗ pretty much taken away cuz although all

1:31:07 ↗ that had been already discussed at

1:31:09 ↗ length and I think it might have been

1:31:12 ↗ more profitable had we not had any

1:31:14 ↗ insight into it because we could have

1:31:17 ↗ you know we could have been a little

1:31:21 ↗ more interested in and objective in and

1:31:24 ↗ what our thoughts were and being able to

1:31:25 ↗ take a real hard look at it just seemed

1:31:28 ↗ like it was a duplication of what would

1:31:31 ↗ been through for a long time well and I

1:31:35 ↗ think one of the things that you know we

1:31:37 ↗ have only done community conferences for

1:31:40 ↗ site development permits up till now and

1:31:42 ↗ so this was a new thing and I think that

1:31:45 ↗ one of the questions is how do we

1:31:51 ↗ highlight for the Commission the policy

1:31:54 ↗ issues I mean that's one of the things

1:31:56 ↗ we do when we send agenda bills forward

1:31:58 ↗ is so I used a community conference

1:32:02 ↗ staff report for a site development

1:32:03 ↗ permit which in retrospect may not have

1:32:06 ↗ been the best starting point because it

1:32:09 ↗ it's there's so many more design

1:32:11 ↗ decisions in a site development permit

1:32:13 ↗ than there are in a plat and so it may

1:32:16 ↗ be more you know looking for some of

1:32:19 ↗ those performance standard questions and

1:32:24 ↗ highlighting that to help the Commission

1:32:27 ↗ sort of focus on the part that isn't

1:32:30 ↗ prescriptive and therefore you know

1:32:33 ↗ doesn't really have a lot of very

1:32:35 ↗ variation or consideration involved with

1:32:39 ↗ it

1:32:40 ↗ I was I was frankly confused by it I'm

1:32:43 ↗ like that's not a hard thing to do but I

1:32:48 ↗ didn't know what our role was or what I

1:32:50 ↗ was doing so I think highlighting some

1:32:52 ↗ of that you know just for at least my

1:32:55 ↗ purpose those people I just didn't know

1:32:57 ↗ what I was supposed to do so he felt a

1:32:59 ↗ little stale history so I felt like I

1:33:08 ↗ was missing a lot

1:33:11 ↗ kind of like the Downton Abbey movie I

1:33:13 ↗ [Laughter]

1:33:18 ↗ so some you know I I don't know that all

1:33:24 ↗ of these are changes but just things for

1:33:26 ↗ you to know so first of all the thing I

1:33:28 ↗ think we I sent you the agenda bill the

1:33:31 ↗ you VDC the urban village development

1:33:33 ↗ Commission's duties have been assigned

1:33:35 ↗ to development commission and planning

1:33:38 ↗ policy Commission and so that just means

1:33:42 ↗ more work for you

1:33:44 ↗ [Music]

1:33:45 ↗ title 18 I just want you to know so

1:33:49 ↗ title 18 I'm sorry I'm speaking in code

1:33:50 ↗ the Squa Municipal Code title 18 is the

1:33:54 ↗ land use code that's the ones that you

1:33:55 ↗ are typically reviewing your projects

1:33:59 ↗ against so Title 18 we're basically we

1:34:05 ↗ have a consultant we're rewriting it we

1:34:10 ↗ I think the main the main impetus is to

1:34:15 ↗ there's one section of Title 18 where

1:34:19 ↗ Old Town Central is Co Highlands and

1:34:23 ↗ Talas are all stuffed in this one

1:34:24 ↗ chapter and then whatever's not in there

1:34:28 ↗ for that part of town you go to the next

1:34:31 ↗ section you go to the next it's very

1:34:33 ↗ unused friendly for both staff and

1:34:36 ↗ applicants so part of it is to pull all

1:34:40 ↗ of this apart and put it together in a

1:34:43 ↗ sort of proper form and to make it

1:34:47 ↗ easier for people to understand

1:34:49 ↗ and find their way through but there are

1:34:53 ↗ some different things that we're doing

1:34:54 ↗ along the way

1:34:56 ↗ and so as one of the key users I just

1:35:02 ↗ want you to know that we consider you

1:35:03 ↗ guys a stakeholder and at some point we

1:35:05 ↗ will be coming to you to talk about

1:35:07 ↗ various pieces there is also there's a

1:35:14 ↗ separate consultant for the sign code

1:35:16 ↗ there's another pair of consultants for

1:35:18 ↗ critical areas after the Evergreen Ford

1:35:22 ↗ fun council was interested in not just

1:35:32 ↗ you know a lot of things are just being

1:35:34 ↗ carried forward and reformatted and just

1:35:38 ↗ being brought into legal compliance with

1:35:40 ↗ any state codes or changes but what

1:35:43 ↗ we've done is we've hired a geotechnical

1:35:46 ↗ firm and critical air you know like a

1:35:49 ↗ streams wetlands and aquifer consultant

1:35:55 ↗ to actually come in and make sure we're

1:35:57 ↗ using best available science to make

1:36:00 ↗ sure we're consistent with state code

1:36:04 ↗ we've also this year been updating the

1:36:06 ↗ shoreline master program that effort is

1:36:11 ↗ almost done but you know all of these

1:36:13 ↗ pieces are sort of it's it's a big lift

1:36:16 ↗ that's huge it's it's mostly keeping me

1:36:19 ↗ and I don't it I mean we have

1:36:21 ↗ consultants but they you know they pesky

1:36:25 ↗ people have questions yes I mean when

1:36:28 ↗ kracko can open any section of your land

1:36:30 ↗ use code just by itself like just doing

1:36:33 ↗ shorelines or critical areas but

1:36:36 ↗ cracking open multiple at a time is

1:36:39 ↗ that's a big undertaking well I mean

1:36:42 ↗ some sections are relatively new like

1:36:45 ↗ our wireless section for instance we're

1:36:47 ↗ not really making any changes there

1:36:50 ↗ other

1:36:51 ↗ parts of the code have been around since

1:36:53 ↗ 1996 I mean it's just old and and then

1:36:57 ↗ they're the pieces that are our newer

1:37:00 ↗ for say central is clogged I think we're

1:37:05 ↗ trying to figure out some of the pieces

1:37:07 ↗ how to make them more user-friendly

1:37:09 ↗ you know the urban design section of the

1:37:12 ↗ design manual I think we're thinking

1:37:14 ↗ that may get more integrated into some

1:37:16 ↗ of the not to change any of the content

1:37:20 ↗ because I think we think it's the right

1:37:21 ↗ tools but pull it into the site design

1:37:25 ↗ and things so that it's you know the

1:37:28 ↗ architecture is the last piece but the

1:37:30 ↗ urban designs a little further up front

1:37:32 ↗ we're still exploring that the park

1:37:36 ↗ strategic plan was adopted last year we

1:37:39 ↗ need to there's the green necklace so

1:37:42 ↗ there's code necessary to implement that

1:37:45 ↗ so that's a part of the title 18 update

1:37:47 ↗ as well and one other thing I thought

1:37:52 ↗ about with Kevin's comment is you will

1:37:56 ↗ have another sort of design manual

1:37:58 ↗ coming your way which is as part of the

1:38:01 ↗ old town area plan or I'm not getting

1:38:05 ↗ the name quite right but the old town

1:38:07 ↗ plan there are there's an interest in

1:38:11 ↗ architectural standards and so there are

1:38:15 ↗ right now standards old town standards

1:38:18 ↗ but they're kind of outdated and they're

1:38:20 ↗ difficult to use it's a very specific

1:38:22 ↗ palette of paints for instance not

1:38:25 ↗ necessarily that the colors are wrong

1:38:27 ↗ but just it's the way it's hard for

1:38:29 ↗ staff to use and we've hired a

1:38:33 ↗ consultant she's actually out of

1:38:36 ↗ Colorado and just from some of the

1:38:41 ↗ initial stuff I've seen I'm really

1:38:43 ↗ excited by what she's doing she's been

1:38:45 ↗ doing a lot of evaluation of you know

1:38:47 ↗ because

1:38:48 ↗ this is going to be standards maybe for

1:38:50 ↗ single family because that was some of

1:38:53 ↗ the concern as how some of the

1:38:55 ↗ neighborhoods are changing so in

1:38:57 ↗ addition to what we have for front

1:39:00 ↗ street there was directive to do this

1:39:03 ↗ for residential but what does that mean

1:39:06 ↗ so now we're just starting to have those

1:39:08 ↗ conversations with the community I think

1:39:11 ↗ in January we're going to do a walking

1:39:13 ↗ tour and so at some point because those

1:39:17 ↗ may very well be something that you're

1:39:19 ↗ implementing I would imagine so those

1:39:21 ↗ would be standards that would be

1:39:23 ↗ applicable to other the neighborhood

1:39:24 ↗ stood at joined the old town area or in

1:39:27 ↗ the old town area or is it citywide no

1:39:29 ↗ no so that's her old town I will say

1:39:34 ↗ that we have almost no standards for

1:39:37 ↗ single-family right now and I'm not

1:39:40 ↗ really interested in regulating

1:39:41 ↗ architecture I've been there but I do

1:39:46 ↗ think from an urban design and sort of

1:39:48 ↗ site planning perspective there may be

1:39:50 ↗ some things that we want to look at we

1:39:54 ↗ did that with his Co Highlands and talus

1:39:57 ↗ because we'd been doing this for a long

1:39:59 ↗ time so we put something out that that

1:40:02 ↗ was adopted as part of their replacement

1:40:04 ↗ regulations and since we're pulling that

1:40:06 ↗ into the code we have to consider is

1:40:08 ↗ that only going to be for Eska Highlands

1:40:10 ↗ and talus or might some of those y2

1:40:14 ↗ single-family so those are the kinds of

1:40:17 ↗ conversations where we're having and

1:40:19 ↗ that will get rolled out and I'm sure

1:40:21 ↗ will result in lively conversations

1:40:30 ↗ that's all I had to tell you

1:40:35 ↗ you had one input on the DC review

1:40:38 ↗ process kind of just for us I thought

1:40:41 ↗ what might be we talked about how it's

1:40:44 ↗ evolved over time and just from just the

1:40:46 ↗ mechanics of the meeting especially for

1:40:48 ↗ kind of the new members one thing that

1:40:52 ↗ gets it's a nuance but it can be

1:40:55 ↗ confusing is when we're doing like the

1:40:57 ↗ community conference which is the first

1:40:58 ↗ the introduction of the project to the

1:41:00 ↗ Commission's so we can get initial

1:41:03 ↗ feedback and public hearing so the

1:41:05 ↗ public can provide input so generally

1:41:07 ↗ the way the chair handles it is you know

1:41:11 ↗ do you have questions the first part of

1:41:13 ↗ the conversations about questions and so

1:41:15 ↗ we try to stay on asking questions to

1:41:17 ↗ staff or questions to the applicant or

1:41:20 ↗ their their team and then we then the

1:41:24 ↗ second part of that is after we cut have

1:41:26 ↗ gone through the Q&A period we go to

1:41:28 ↗ comments so then we give our individual

1:41:30 ↗ feedback so we kind of go down the line

1:41:32 ↗ or where the chair decides he wants to

1:41:35 ↗ start in this case and say you know

1:41:37 ↗ here's what what I think about the

1:41:39 ↗ project and things I like about it

1:41:41 ↗ things that I think we need to do some

1:41:43 ↗ additional work or exploration around so

1:41:46 ↗ then the staff has in the applicant have

1:41:48 ↗ not only this dialogue of a

1:41:50 ↗ back-and-forth to create a better

1:41:51 ↗ understanding what they were trying to

1:41:53 ↗ accomplish with their design but then

1:41:55 ↗ our direct feedback and then if there

1:41:58 ↗ are things that we want them to

1:41:59 ↗ specifically produce to come back with

1:42:03 ↗ different elevation of some sort or

1:42:05 ↗ different material type that we'd like

1:42:07 ↗ to see what that do or project then they

1:42:10 ↗ we would ask for that and then they

1:42:11 ↗ would bring that back and that would be

1:42:12 ↗ in the follow-up discussion try to be

1:42:16 ↗ reasonable

1:42:18 ↗ enough to give us because there have

1:42:20 ↗ been some instances where the design you

1:42:22 ↗ know the the level of detail wasn't at a

1:42:24 ↗ point where we were really comfortable

1:42:25 ↗ being able to make a decision and some

1:42:27 ↗ of the feedback was you got to give this

1:42:29 ↗ one you got to give us a materials board

1:42:32 ↗ and color palettes and more information

1:42:35 ↗ about you know how the landscaping

1:42:36 ↗ design is going to evolve and things

1:42:39 ↗ like that so I so just the mechanics of

1:42:42 ↗ the meeting I think that's been pretty

1:42:44 ↗ useful I think and a successful way to

1:42:47 ↗ just kind of get through it and then try

1:42:49 ↗ to be more disciplined in how we give

1:42:51 ↗ that feedback so we're not scattered all

1:42:53 ↗ over between questions and comments and

1:42:55 ↗ yeah because I think that's what have

1:42:57 ↗ been one of the things that over the

1:42:58 ↗ years we've had issues with as

1:43:01 ↗ commissioners that would start in with

1:43:05 ↗ comments and said maybe ask a question

1:43:07 ↗ of the applicant and get it response and

1:43:10 ↗ then start to give feedback to that and

1:43:11 ↗ say well here I think this about that

1:43:14 ↗ and so forth and it's really more just

1:43:16 ↗ getting all those questions out of the

1:43:18 ↗ way before we give those comments back

1:43:20 ↗ and so I'll just tell you the you BDC

1:43:23 ↗ just throws everything at us we will

1:43:26 ↗ handle it whatever way you'd want to

1:43:27 ↗ deliver it to us I mean it is very handy

1:43:30 ↗ that it's divided into those two

1:43:32 ↗ sections but it's not it's not necessary

1:43:36 ↗ for staff we can figure it out I think

1:43:38 ↗ it's really what serves your purpose and

1:43:40 ↗ then helps you move through this process

1:43:42 ↗ in in a way that's meaningful to you and

1:43:46 ↗ you know yeah and one question I guess

1:43:53 ↗ in a community conference you know in a

1:43:55 ↗ regular like a site development permit

1:43:57 ↗ applicant public is just chance to come

1:44:01 ↗ in and then we close the public comment

1:44:04 ↗ we need conference what we always do the

1:44:07 ↗ same when we essentially close public

1:44:08 ↗ comment or would we still in essence or

1:44:11 ↗ leave it open because it's it's not

1:44:13 ↗ quasi-judicial and stuff right so I

1:44:16 ↗ think that's the key point Mel when it's

1:44:19 ↗ a public hearing it has a much more

1:44:22 ↗ structured and set of steps I'm trying

1:44:27 ↗ to if I can get a quiet moment I've

1:44:31 ↗ gotten a lot of feedback from the

1:44:33 ↗ clerk's about I mean I think they've

1:44:35 ↗ been learning a lot through the

1:44:38 ↗ intensity of things that have been

1:44:40 ↗ happening over the last year with

1:44:42 ↗ certain recommendations about how how to

1:44:47 ↗ sort of meet requirements better you

1:44:50 ↗ know scripts for various pieces so I'm

1:44:54 ↗ I'm working on trying to get some of

1:44:56 ↗ that put together but I think that the

1:44:59 ↗ point that you highlighted is public

1:45:04 ↗ hearing is a very formal prescribed

1:45:07 ↗ legal process a public meeting like a

1:45:11 ↗ community conference is not unlike the

1:45:14 ↗ process we're doing tonight there it's

1:45:16 ↗ only proscribed by what you choose to do

1:45:19 ↗ and so if you if you want it to be an

1:45:23 ↗ ongoing dialogue through the whole

1:45:25 ↗ meeting if you set aside a portion of

1:45:29 ↗ time and then you change your mind

1:45:31 ↗ there's nothing that requires that you

1:45:34 ↗ have to open it and close it or you

1:45:36 ↗ can't take comment later on or call

1:45:39 ↗ someone back up because you don't people

1:45:42 ↗ are disagreeing about what that comment

1:45:44 ↗ meant I mean

1:45:45 ↗ it's a much more informal okay and we

1:45:48 ↗ still have the ability though in say

1:45:50 ↗ site development permit if we had a

1:45:53 ↗ question to say somebody from the public

1:45:55 ↗ would close the public hearing

1:45:57 ↗ we're discussing in a lot of question

1:46:00 ↗ about what so and so remember the public

1:46:03 ↗ said we could still I think you bring

1:46:06 ↗ the balcony and at least the chair could

1:46:11 ↗ I guess and right and there would be

1:46:13 ↗ certain requirements in doing that okay

1:46:18 ↗ go ahead

1:46:19 ↗ just on the just the community

1:46:22 ↗ conference versus the public hearing so

1:46:23 ↗ the community conference you're right I

1:46:26 ↗ think it is and we've done it both ways

1:46:27 ↗ where we've actually had members of the

1:46:29 ↗ public kind of weighing in at different

1:46:31 ↗ points along the way but we try to

1:46:33 ↗ compartmentalize it a little bit say

1:46:35 ↗ there's a period of time we want to hear

1:46:37 ↗ from them the community but then there

1:46:39 ↗ may be some follow-ups I think we have

1:46:40 ↗ to be careful we don't want to it really

1:46:43 ↗ depends on the project and its prejudice

1:46:45 ↗ we've you have a roomful of people it's

1:46:46 ↗ pretty amped up having you could get

1:46:50 ↗ into a really uncontrolled dialogue if

1:46:53 ↗ you don't put parameters around it so

1:46:56 ↗ keeping it more rigid about this the

1:46:58 ↗ time for comments from the community and

1:47:00 ↗ then the commission would have its

1:47:02 ↗ discussion is good as soon as this is in

1:47:06 ↗ front of us it's quasi-judicial whether

1:47:08 ↗ it's community conference or not i mean

1:47:09 ↗ it's a so see it's an application that's

1:47:11 ↗ in front of the Commission so we have to

1:47:13 ↗ we better follow the rules I think you

1:47:15 ↗ have to follow the rules but because

1:47:17 ↗ there can only be one public hearing so

1:47:19 ↗ that would be the community conference

1:47:21 ↗ cannot be treated as a public hearing

1:47:23 ↗ but

1:47:23 ↗ and we can do the later segment but I

1:47:27 ↗ mean I and you make a really good point

1:47:29 ↗ you know the nature of things is

1:47:31 ↗ changing I think I think as long as

1:47:37 ↗ we're not looking like we're capricious

1:47:40 ↗ from one permit to another I think that

1:47:44 ↗ the structure can vary to some extent I

1:47:48 ↗ think you can be as structured or as

1:47:50 ↗ unstructured as you want to be but I

1:47:53 ↗ wouldn't I think Mike makes a really

1:47:56 ↗ good point you wouldn't want to be

1:47:58 ↗ totally unstructured for one permit and

1:48:01 ↗ then hardcore structure for the next one

1:48:04 ↗ at the community Adam because someone

1:48:07 ↗ might say I'm being treated unfairly and

1:48:10 ↗ they might that might be a valid

1:48:11 ↗ complaint even though one had 50 angry

1:48:15 ↗ citizens and one had one curious

1:48:18 ↗ neighbor which might be the reason that

1:48:21 ↗ you do it but you shouldn't vary too

1:48:24 ↗ much because it can look like you're

1:48:25 ↗ showing favoritism or not treating

1:48:28 ↗ people equally yeah if I could have a

1:48:31 ↗ clarification apologies maybe I'm

1:48:32 ↗ misunderstanding but the community

1:48:35 ↗ conference is that first initial step

1:48:38 ↗ that Development Commission has evolved

1:48:39 ↗ in after the pre-op and I have I been

1:48:43 ↗ part of a community conference or just

1:48:44 ↗ the public hearing so this is the

1:48:47 ↗ challenge of the city of its quoi with

1:48:49 ↗ so many different codes in different

1:48:50 ↗ parts of the city some parts of the city

1:48:53 ↗ don't use community conferences and so

1:48:57 ↗ centralist squad doesn't for instance

1:48:59 ↗ and so many of you have not had a

1:49:03 ↗ community conference and then there are

1:49:06 ↗ other parts of town

1:49:08 ↗ it's typically a community conference

1:49:10 ↗ super early

1:49:11 ↗ not long after the pre-op and then you

1:49:16 ↗ won't you might not see the project

1:49:18 ↗ again for a year or two years but while

1:49:21 ↗ they get all their stuff together and

1:49:22 ↗ come back we write the staff report and

1:49:25 ↗ bring it to you so that's what we're

1:49:28 ↗ working on right now is trying to

1:49:30 ↗ regularize that so that for staff and

1:49:35 ↗ applicants and commissioners it's much

1:49:37 ↗ more predictable what process it is no

1:49:41 ↗ matter what part of the city you're in

1:49:42 ↗ so any conferences for before central

1:49:46 ↗ Issaquah since we didn't deal with urban

1:49:49 ↗ villages essentially everything was a

1:49:51 ↗ community conference and then hearing up

1:50:02 ↗ and that was the community conference

1:50:05 ↗ here in this location okay yeah and I

1:50:08 ↗ think the other thing that that we

1:50:14 ↗ struggle with and and I'm just riffing

1:50:16 ↗ on something Mike said is and as many of

1:50:22 ↗ you with the things that you deal with

1:50:25 ↗ in your real life you know we get

1:50:31 ↗ applicants who come in at all different

1:50:33 ↗ levels of detail you know part of the

1:50:38 ↗ land use process is to try and get

1:50:40 ↗ everyone pointed in the right direction

1:50:42 ↗ and make sure that the basic kind of you

1:50:45 ↗ know broad framework of the project is

1:50:48 ↗ correct they have enough parking the

1:50:49 ↗ entrances and a

1:50:50 ↗ location they could get the utilities in

1:50:52 ↗ and serve it the building is placed in

1:50:55 ↗ the right place what what we're trying

1:50:58 ↗ not to do is basically have a building

1:51:01 ↗ permit in front of you because that's a

1:51:03 ↗ huge investment with a great deal of

1:51:06 ↗ uncertainty and yet what we find is both

1:51:10 ↗ there's a desire to know a lot about a

1:51:13 ↗ project which is completely

1:51:15 ↗ understandable you want to feel

1:51:16 ↗ confident in what you're making a

1:51:18 ↗ recommendation on and the other piece of

1:51:21 ↗ it is just technology I mean we see

1:51:24 ↗ these crazy detailed stuff coming in to

1:51:26 ↗ us that's almost like a building permit

1:51:28 ↗ and and that makes us a little us a

1:51:33 ↗ little fearful because it means that

1:51:35 ↗ they've invested this huge amount of

1:51:37 ↗ design if we want to move something one

1:51:39 ↗ foot they're gonna say you know that's

1:51:40 ↗ hundreds of thousands of dollars and so

1:51:43 ↗ we're always trying to strike that

1:51:45 ↗ balance between getting you guys the

1:51:48 ↗ level of detail so you have a good sense

1:51:50 ↗ of what you're approving that they feel

1:51:53 ↗ like they've shown things to you and and

1:51:58 ↗ yet that they aren't so locked down so

1:52:01 ↗ designed that we cannot have the kinds

1:52:04 ↗ of thoughtful interactive conversation

1:52:07 ↗ about

1:52:08 ↗ how we're meeting the regulations and so

1:52:11 ↗ in public comment factors the come down

1:52:14 ↗ the format because I was confused are we

1:52:16 ↗ are we allowed to or expect you to shape

1:52:18 ↗ and inform some of what they're doing

1:52:23 ↗ for instance like you know phrases like

1:52:26 ↗ be sure to pay attention to that buffer

1:52:28 ↗ or you know just encouraging them to

1:52:32 ↗ think about certain aspects of the

1:52:34 ↗ design as we review it or is it just a

1:52:36 ↗ question and answer period or can we

1:52:39 ↗ make comments that well so that's a

1:52:45 ↗ great question

1:52:47 ↗ like the public you can comment on kind

1:52:51 ↗ of anything I think you may not be able

1:52:53 ↗ to condition it if there's not a code

1:52:55 ↗ basis right I you know I think most

1:53:01 ↗ applicants are interested in doing a

1:53:05 ↗ project that the community will be happy

1:53:07 ↗ to see I you know I tend not to rein in

1:53:14 ↗ and draw a bright line with

1:53:16 ↗ commissioners I want you all engaged I

1:53:18 ↗ want you interested I learned things

1:53:20 ↗ from you that may make me say I need to

1:53:22 ↗ add something to the code the next time

1:53:25 ↗ we're opening it up and I think it tells

1:53:31 ↗ an applicant you know if I have if I'm

1:53:34 ↗ choosing between x and y and that buffer

1:53:36 ↗ let's say why don't I do Y that's what

1:53:40 ↗ they wanted you know that old everybody

1:53:42 ↗ will make people happy that's the other

1:53:45 ↗ piece I would say I'm interested in

1:53:49 ↗ Ben's take on this is you know for a

1:53:52 ↗ long time I worked in the urban villages

1:53:54 ↗ and we didn't get to look at specific

1:53:56 ↗ plants we don't look at colors materials

1:53:59 ↗ we'd only look at elevations from really

1:54:02 ↗ an urban design perspective but Sarah

1:54:06 ↗ hoye who is the executive director

1:54:08 ↗ has been for a number of years she comes

1:54:10 ↗ to all the all the UB DC meetings we

1:54:14 ↗ used to have and I I kind of think that

1:54:16 ↗ what she was hearing was informing kind

1:54:19 ↗ of how the AR C then went back to look

1:54:21 ↗ at it because people would give feedback

1:54:23 ↗ about it now

1:54:24 ↗ she doesn't have to make it blue because

1:54:27 ↗ everyone says they want it blue but at

1:54:29 ↗ least she knew going into it that the

1:54:31 ↗ feedback was this should be blue and so

1:54:36 ↗ you know I don't think they're hard

1:54:39 ↗ super bright lines I do think there are

1:54:42 ↗ times when if commissioners get way over

1:54:45 ↗ the line and they say you know I think

1:54:47 ↗ that's beyond the scope of what you can

1:54:49 ↗ do okay thank you that felt like I saw

1:54:54 ↗ that you know a lot with you know Jeff

1:54:56 ↗ who was very vocal during UVC and in

1:54:59 ↗ just questioning questioning questioning

1:55:00 ↗ questioning I think the committee also

1:55:04 ↗ forgets Walker with the chair prison for

1:55:06 ↗ a very long time and so yeah I mean to

1:55:10 ↗ answer your question I do think you know

1:55:11 ↗ it may factor to some degree there's

1:55:13 ↗ it's a very complex community

1:55:16 ↗ organization up there and that actually

1:55:18 ↗ falls under theirs believe it or not for

1:55:22 ↗ different AR cities up there that deal

1:55:24 ↗ with how things are built out in style

1:55:29 ↗ and all that kind of stuff so I think

1:55:31 ↗ community input you know whether it's

1:55:33 ↗ here whether it's there anywhere does

1:55:35 ↗ factor it's what people want but there

1:55:37 ↗ also has to be this balance of you know

1:55:40 ↗ even if you dial it back down to like I

1:55:41 ↗ said this very small thing of just

1:55:44 ↗ architectural reviewing a home color

1:55:47 ↗ it's keeping the balance between the

1:55:51 ↗ greater good if that makes sense like

1:55:53 ↗ okay that you know this may be one

1:55:55 ↗ person may want to do this but is it

1:55:57 ↗ going to

1:55:58 ↗ cuts for the people down the street to

1:55:59 ↗ call up and yell and say this is

1:56:01 ↗ ridiculous and that doesn't make sense

1:56:03 ↗ something so also just wonder if anybody

1:56:08 ↗ has commissioners have questions about

1:56:10 ↗ how this all works or even suggestions

1:56:14 ↗ we've been here for a while how we can

1:56:15 ↗ do it better

1:56:16 ↗ need to speak it form because we don't

1:56:18 ↗ really get to do this when we're sitting

1:56:20 ↗ in one one thing I want to put out there

1:56:26 ↗ is that maybe someone for new

1:56:30 ↗ commissioners but I think for for all of

1:56:32 ↗ us is a couple things one is during the

1:56:36 ↗ question period

1:56:40 ↗ if somebody's raising the question I

1:56:42 ↗ think it can help other commissioners to

1:56:44 ↗ accept that they've got the same

1:56:45 ↗ questions to be jumping in as well and

1:56:47 ↗ something when we get sometimes in

1:56:52 ↗ questions but a lot of times in comments

1:56:53 ↗ I know I'm never afraid to talk and I

1:56:56 ↗ get afraid sometimes it then I'll make a

1:56:58 ↗ comment about something and I like to

1:57:01 ↗ hear other commissioners in the same

1:57:04 ↗ things sometimes because I really

1:57:09 ↗ appreciate all the commissioners we have

1:57:11 ↗ and all the different viewpoints there's

1:57:12 ↗ a lot of times they'll come into a

1:57:13 ↗ meeting I've read something I think this

1:57:15 ↗ about it and they'll bring it up and

1:57:17 ↗ then I'll hear their thoughts about it

1:57:19 ↗ they go wait I'm missing something there

1:57:21 ↗ or Lucy correct something and so I think

1:57:26 ↗ it's really helpful if somebody does

1:57:28 ↗ bring up a question or a specific

1:57:30 ↗ comment to get everybody's input on it

1:57:33 ↗ whether it's just see I agree or notice

1:57:36 ↗ crazier here's a way I view it instead

1:57:38 ↗ and I never want to talk so much like

1:57:41 ↗ I'm right now I guess - feel like I'm

1:57:44 ↗ precluding other people from voice in

1:57:46 ↗ their opinions because I think that's

1:57:48 ↗ really valuable about our commissioners

1:57:50 ↗ all the different viewpoints we have

1:57:52 ↗ what I also think that you see that

1:57:54 ↗ dialogue

1:57:55 ↗ other you know it grows right into

1:57:58 ↗ something something might start is one

1:57:59 ↗ topic it spawns into other things that

1:58:02 ↗ end up you know refining whatever the

1:58:04 ↗ original question was yeah yeah because

1:58:08 ↗ I'll often just yield if somebody

1:58:10 ↗ covered with I have ruminating in my

1:58:12 ↗ head I'm like glad they got it

1:58:14 ↗ you know it's out there let it just sort

1:58:16 ↗ of play out and I'll often not say

1:58:18 ↗ anything for that reason not that you're

1:58:20 ↗ taking of the air and I'm not suggesting

1:58:22 ↗ that I mean to that anybody they will

1:58:24 ↗ say it and I was thinking the same thing

1:58:26 ↗ like well is that useful don't say it so

1:58:29 ↗ but do you know it might be what they do

1:58:32 ↗ it counsel and and it might you might

1:58:35 ↗ think about your own version of this is

1:58:37 ↗ if a speaker comes up to the microphone

1:58:40 ↗ and says you know I want all the houses

1:58:43 ↗ to be blue and when they're done talking

1:58:45 ↗ they have people in the audience raise

1:58:48 ↗ their hand if they concur and the reason

1:58:52 ↗ I mentioned that is you know sometimes

1:58:54 ↗ when we're working with applicants it's

1:58:55 ↗ hard for them to know was that just Mel

1:58:58 ↗ or is that all a commission is in

1:59:01 ↗ concurrence on that or for instance if

1:59:04 ↗ half of you thought it should be red and

1:59:07 ↗ half of you thought it should be blue

1:59:09 ↗ then we can go away and sort of say okay

1:59:12 ↗ what are we going to do with this and so

1:59:14 ↗ I do think it might be useful as people

1:59:17 ↗ make comments to then say you know how

1:59:21 ↗ many other commissioners would we're

1:59:23 ↗ planning to share the same comment or

1:59:24 ↗ something so that we sort of have a

1:59:26 ↗ sense of is this one's person's issue or

1:59:29 ↗ is this the commissioners issue I think

1:59:32 ↗ another thing that has been helpful on

1:59:33 ↗ that because I totally get that because

1:59:35 ↗ are you just responding to one or do we

1:59:37 ↗ need a plan you know blue and red

1:59:40 ↗ together making new color

1:59:42 ↗ whatever that is so but in summary

1:59:52 ↗ comments to so when we're if we follow

1:59:54 ↗ the process of we're talking about a

1:59:57 ↗ community conference you can reflect

2:00:00 ↗ back on what other people have said and

2:00:02 ↗ I agree with what commissioner Morgan

2:00:04 ↗ said about the roof configuration and I

2:00:07 ↗ think we need to do something that's

2:00:08 ↗ more interesting and maybe has a steeper

2:00:11 ↗ P course on whatever it's up but so

2:00:13 ↗ you're kind of confirming so that

2:00:15 ↗ there's staff and the app can know that

2:00:18 ↗ it's the majority or if there's a

2:00:19 ↗ division on the Commission yeah very

2:00:21 ↗ different points of view and then they

2:00:23 ↗ huddle afterwards going out what we're

2:00:24 ↗ gonna do but but they can sort that out

2:00:27 ↗ and then you know we can you know I

2:00:29 ↗ think speak more as a single body

2:00:32 ↗ instead of a bunch of individuals that

2:00:34 ↗ they're trying to figure out what it

2:00:36 ↗ means yeah I think it's probably more

2:00:40 ↗ for me the operating norm would be more

2:00:43 ↗ consistent with if you if you agree you

2:00:45 ↗ don't need to say anything but if you

2:00:47 ↗ disagree that what you know the point is

2:00:49 ↗ is that when somebody brings up a point

2:00:52 ↗ on kind of the same place where if I

2:00:53 ↗ agree with it I'd I don't have any

2:00:55 ↗ proper I don't say anything you know but

2:00:57 ↗ I think I've seen on the board where the

2:01:00 ↗ Commission where when somebody said

2:01:02 ↗ something and people didn't agree they

2:01:04 ↗ were more weren't hesitant at all to say

2:01:06 ↗ well I don't agree with that I think

2:01:07 ↗ this that or the other so I'm not sure

2:01:11 ↗ what what what both

2:01:18 ↗ steeper and more complex my could say +1

2:01:23 ↗ to the roof comments I mean I think it

2:01:25 ↗ could be brief but just give that

2:01:28 ↗ because it is a challenge we go away and

2:01:31 ↗ you know we have all these comments and

2:01:33 ↗ we're trying to sort of figure out which

2:01:35 ↗ are the key ones and are we just

2:01:36 ↗ responding to one person or not

2:01:38 ↗ but I also think that the other piece

2:01:42 ↗ that you're bringing up is really

2:01:44 ↗ encouraging a robust conversation and I

2:01:48 ↗ think sometimes if you're the only

2:01:49 ↗ person if you feel like you're the only

2:01:51 ↗ person who disagrees you may not I mean

2:01:55 ↗ Seattle nice so you know I'm not I'm

2:02:00 ↗ obviously not shy about talking about

2:02:03 ↗ things from other perspectives but not

2:02:05 ↗ everyone feels that way and I I guess I

2:02:07 ↗ think I I just really want to encourage

2:02:09 ↗ that because I think you're a very

2:02:10 ↗ respectful professional organization

2:02:14 ↗ this isn't intended to be personal I

2:02:16 ↗ don't think you you guys ever make at

2:02:19 ↗ that and I think it's important I think

2:02:21 ↗ all of you are really thoughtful

2:02:23 ↗ reviewers and you bring up a different

2:02:25 ↗ viewpoint as Mel said you might walk in

2:02:26 ↗ the door with one thing and you sort of

2:02:28 ↗ if no one says who's thinking well I

2:02:32 ↗ don't think it should be steeper right I

2:02:34 ↗ think it's plenty steep I think that's

2:02:36 ↗ gonna be too visible from oxide or you

2:02:40 ↗ know whatever it is that's a great

2:02:42 ↗ conversation to have because a lot of

2:02:45 ↗ times those things are performance

2:02:47 ↗ standards or or a guideline and

2:02:49 ↗ therefore you're trying to you know kind

2:02:52 ↗ of massage it and make sure it's at the

2:02:54 ↗ right spot well that's one thing too I

2:02:56 ↗ talked a number of people into

2:02:58 ↗ volunteering even for small roles and

2:03:00 ↗ you know that I think the common

2:03:03 ↗ pushback I get is I'm not qualified I

2:03:05 ↗ don't have experience I don't know what

2:03:07 ↗ I'm doing

2:03:07 ↗ I'm talking about and that's the great

2:03:09 ↗ part about a committee is that even if I

2:03:11 ↗ say something that maybe doesn't make a

2:03:14 ↗ lot of sense or maybe there's a piece of

2:03:15 ↗ it somebody can grab onto and say well I

2:03:17 ↗ do know about that I know how to how to

2:03:19 ↗ rephrase that or whatever to bring it

2:03:21 ↗ and make make it more relevant to what

2:03:23 ↗ we're talking about so I think that

2:03:25 ↗ aspects really important yeah sometimes

2:03:30 ↗ you know I'm guilty of kind of holding

2:03:32 ↗ back because I hear a variation of

2:03:34 ↗ something too and you know at times

2:03:36 ↗ there are subtle differences between the

2:03:37 ↗ different comments that commissioners

2:03:40 ↗ may provide so so I completely agree and

2:03:43 ↗ I want to make sure personally I that I

2:03:45 ↗ that I speak up and obviously you know

2:03:49 ↗ show my my thoughts and express my

2:03:52 ↗ thoughts and opinions about something

2:03:54 ↗ and it's a little transparency right I

2:03:56 ↗ mean when you've got the public there

2:03:57 ↗ and represent you know representatives

2:03:59 ↗ from you know who knows where right

2:04:02 ↗ observing me you know we got to educate

2:04:06 ↗ not just the the applicant but but those

2:04:09 ↗ but those of you in you know the

2:04:11 ↗ presentations one thing I would add on

2:04:24 ↗ sort of the converse over the years

2:04:27 ↗ there you know have been times when

2:04:29 ↗ people vote against something I and of

2:04:33 ↗ course that's everyone's right to do it

2:04:34 ↗ but if you're going to do that I need

2:04:37 ↗ you to know that I'm going to be asking

2:04:39 ↗ for you to identify why you're voting

2:04:41 ↗ against something I I think one of the

2:04:45 ↗ challenges is that I think some

2:04:48 ↗ commissioners have viewed it as they

2:04:51 ↗ kind of they don't like it so they're

2:04:53 ↗ voting against it and and while it's

2:04:57 ↗ your vote you get to use it as you

2:05:00 ↗ choose for the record we need to explain

2:05:03 ↗ why you know why someone's voting

2:05:06 ↗ against it and especially if it was to

2:05:11 ↗ actually deny the permit I mean it's one

2:05:14 ↗ thing if it's one person and it's still

2:05:16 ↗ going to pass but if the Commission was

2:05:21 ↗ going to deny a permit then we would

2:05:23 ↗ probably have to pull every single one

2:05:25 ↗ of you and ask for the basis of why

2:05:28 ↗ you're doing that so I just you know

2:05:30 ↗ because that's why I always give you the

2:05:33 ↗ go through the due process that it has

2:05:37 ↗ to be substantive that we have to be as

2:05:41 ↗ much as we're here to have you represent

2:05:44 ↗ the community we also are having to do

2:05:46 ↗ this based on the adopted codes instead

2:05:49 ↗ we wouldn't want to understand in what

2:05:51 ↗ way you think that the project is not

2:05:53 ↗ meeting the adopted codes it's just a

2:05:57 ↗ really small thing but if we get the

2:06:00 ↗ point if if you vote against something

2:06:04 ↗ you don't agree with in the Commission

2:06:07 ↗ passes it and then we vote to prepare

2:06:11 ↗ findings of fact that vote should still

2:06:15 ↗ be a yes vote regardless in the wades

2:06:17 ↗ and we've had projects before somebody

2:06:20 ↗ voted no about the project in the past

2:06:22 ↗ then they voted no and preparing the

2:06:25 ↗ findings facts it's like well there's no

2:06:27 ↗ basis for that you didn't they didn't

2:06:30 ↗ agree with you here but you should still

2:06:32 ↗ be voting to authorize that chairperson

2:06:35 ↗ and staff to prepare that exactly

2:06:37 ↗ because that that document should

2:06:39 ↗ represent their viewpoint as well yeah I

2:06:42 ↗ mean yeah it's not it's not changing

2:06:46 ↗ your view on the project yeah yeah your

2:06:47 ↗ vote will be showing that yeah he says

2:06:49 ↗ right complete the documentation is

2:06:52 ↗ pretty much what that says right yeah

2:06:53 ↗ yeah another just a question

2:06:56 ↗ for Lucy and any thing that staff needs

2:07:00 ↗ from us that we can do better to make

2:07:02 ↗ this run more efficiently gosh not that

2:07:06 ↗ I think think of I mean I think you guys

2:07:09 ↗ are great to work with I mean you know I

2:07:11 ↗ I don't see anyone coming in and opening

2:07:14 ↗ their packet as they sit down that's one

2:07:16 ↗ of my favorites and you guys come in

2:07:20 ↗ prepared you're you're engaged you're

2:07:22 ↗ paying attention you really want the

2:07:24 ↗ public to be heard you ask a lot of

2:07:29 ↗ questions to ensure the public stuff is

2:07:33 ↗ responded to that actually that is an

2:07:36 ↗ interesting point to bring up when the

2:07:42 ↗ public gets up and makes comments you

2:07:46 ↗ will notice that we don't get up and say

2:07:47 ↗ anything we are waiting to hear from you

2:07:50 ↗ what you would like us to respond to so

2:07:54 ↗ even if I unless I feel like something

2:07:56 ↗ is so egregious I just cannot let it

2:07:59 ↗ stand I will not speak about anything

2:08:03 ↗ unless you ask me to say you know could

2:08:07 ↗ you give us your viewpoint or you know

2:08:10 ↗ someone and you guys often do this you

2:08:12 ↗ know some several people said X can you

2:08:15 ↗ tell us you know what steps you point is

2:08:17 ↗ or what does you know unpack what the

2:08:20 ↗ staff reports that or pointers to that

2:08:22 ↗ would you prefer that so a bunch of

2:08:25 ↗ people are signed up to talk about

2:08:26 ↗ something and they've made comments so

2:08:28 ↗ would you prefer us to do that then or

2:08:31 ↗ wait for all those comments that come

2:08:32 ↗ out close that and then during our

2:08:35 ↗ questions then bring it up with you and

2:08:38 ↗ say this person mentioned that that

2:08:41 ↗ right I mean I think you should get all

2:08:44 ↗ the public comments then you can sort

2:08:46 ↗ out what pieces are of concern or of

2:08:50 ↗ interest or you know either worth

2:08:52 ↗ commenting on or where you want staff to

2:08:55 ↗ reply now you know that we're gonna

2:08:57 ↗ prepare a briefing response memo

2:08:59 ↗ gonna pretty much respond to everything

2:09:01 ↗ that's there so if you're if you're not

2:09:04 ↗ feeling particularly moved by it that

2:09:06 ↗ night you can always wait I've been not

2:09:09 ↗ when that person's up at the podium you

2:09:11 ↗ don't want us to know Jo Lucy what about

2:09:14 ↗ this yeah right

2:09:15 ↗ no we would want we don't want to call

2:09:19 ↗ in response yeah no yeah

2:09:22 ↗ and that's hard for a lot of citizens I

2:09:25 ↗ mean I know I see I've been at council

2:09:28 ↗ meetings and even some convention

2:09:30 ↗ meetings where they are certainly

2:09:32 ↗ baffled I mean they're there they're

2:09:34 ↗ engaged they're curious and no one's

2:09:37 ↗ answering their question right they're

2:09:39 ↗ asking questions and they were just

2:09:40 ↗ sitting there staring at them are taking

2:09:42 ↗ it over yeah yeah you know another thing

2:09:45 ↗ too that helps depending on what's going

2:09:46 ↗ on with the public engagement is there

2:09:50 ↗ are things that they may not know we

2:09:51 ↗ know it and we've looked at the

2:09:52 ↗ documents in detail or we understand the

2:09:55 ↗ process and asking a question even

2:09:58 ↗ though we know the answer but it's going

2:09:59 ↗ to be informative to the public for them

2:10:01 ↗ to hear an answer to a question about

2:10:03 ↗ the project that helps them get it so

2:10:05 ↗ for now and again and you see something

2:10:08 ↗ like that's like well they're really

2:10:09 ↗ curious about something but we know that

2:10:12 ↗ we have either no authority there or

2:10:13 ↗ that's a decision that happened

2:10:14 ↗ someplace else we just ask how does the

2:10:16 ↗ process work when we're talking about

2:10:18 ↗ law and so then they they're you get an

2:10:20 ↗ opportunity now to write and I have

2:10:22 ↗ definitely seen you guys do that where

2:10:25 ↗ you know that there is either a

2:10:28 ↗ particularly strong concern in as

2:10:32 ↗ individual or in a group of people and

2:10:36 ↗ asked us to do it not because you really

2:10:38 ↗ need to know but because you want the

2:10:39 ↗ public to know and we're certainly I

2:10:41 ↗ mean worry is here as much for the

2:10:42 ↗ public is really hard for you guys so

2:10:44 ↗ we're happy to do that I do have a

2:10:48 ↗ question and I'm curious to everyone's

2:10:50 ↗ thoughts and insights

2:10:51 ↗ you know regarding questions you know

2:10:54 ↗ for the applicant what are your thoughts

2:10:56 ↗ on asking the same question or questions

2:11:00 ↗ you know consecutive meetings

2:11:05 ↗ sometimes that I end up doing that

2:11:08 ↗ because I I see maybe there's you know

2:11:10 ↗ new new members and the public or you

2:11:13 ↗ know just to try to get some

2:11:16 ↗ clarification on something and others

2:11:19 ↗ might have missed you know the prior

2:11:20 ↗ meeting what are your thoughts on that

2:11:22 ↗ do you think that's still a good

2:11:24 ↗ practice I mean do we want to you know

2:11:27 ↗ keep in mind the time frame and be

2:11:31 ↗ conscious of that but I mean if we've

2:11:33 ↗ had a public hearing the first public

2:11:35 ↗ hear yeah and we asked a question and

2:11:37 ↗ then we asked meanness some of those

2:11:39 ↗ same questions or maybe one of those

2:11:41 ↗ same questions and in the in a following

2:11:44 ↗ meeting that's my my thought would be it

2:11:46 ↗ would be if we didn't think they had

2:11:48 ↗ addressed it and which I think can

2:11:50 ↗ happen certainly and if I didn't yeah if

2:11:53 ↗ I had asked a question and they didn't

2:11:56 ↗ think was addressed adequately or not at

2:11:59 ↗ all or something okay and I guess the

2:12:01 ↗ thing I would add is that's kind of the

2:12:04 ↗ since we cover most of the stuff that's

2:12:07 ↗ in the briefing response memo hopefully

2:12:10 ↗ we're addressing a lot of the questions

2:12:12 ↗ that a new member a new attendee would

2:12:15 ↗ have had based on that but you know they

2:12:18 ↗ sometimes come up with all new brand new

2:12:20 ↗ stuff before you guys see something new

2:12:22 ↗ but that's part of why we go through it

2:12:25 ↗ is it's an opportunity not only to make

2:12:28 ↗ sure you understand the answers that

2:12:30 ↗ we've provided but the public does

2:12:32 ↗ because they may not have they may not

2:12:36 ↗ read it or they it may be their first

2:12:38 ↗ time attending and so they haven't even

2:12:41 ↗ had an opportunity to see the document

2:12:43 ↗ yeah you know makes sense I think that's

2:12:45 ↗ a good approach if it's clearly answered

2:12:47 ↗ then yeah I mean if there's changes then

2:12:50 ↗ I think that validates then the question

2:12:52 ↗ again right yeah and it seemed likely if

2:12:54 ↗ I remember I lick with the Gilman lofts

2:12:56 ↗ or the roof treatment so they made some

2:12:59 ↗ changes but then we were sort of

2:13:00 ↗ questioning that again

2:13:02 ↗ because it was yeah a little different

2:13:05 ↗ look and he brought it new questions

2:13:07 ↗ about it right well and you know we're

2:13:10 ↗ also dealing with lots of new tools and

2:13:12 ↗ so we're all still trying to figure out

2:13:14 ↗ you know like taking Gillman lops what's

2:13:17 ↗ complex roof you know and thank heavens

2:13:19 ↗ we have lots of pictures because I think

2:13:22 ↗ we've been relying on that a lot and so

2:13:26 ↗ you know as you also you know I've been

2:13:31 ↗ talking to the consultant for Old Town a

2:13:33 ↗ lot about the checklist and trying to

2:13:36 ↗ build a lot of that in upfront the poor

2:13:38 ↗ graphic designer who got the design

2:13:41 ↗ manual and had to build rebuild it or a

2:13:46 ↗ software reason but then build the

2:13:48 ↗ checklist into it I mean we backed our

2:13:51 ↗ way into that over and over again that

2:13:53 ↗ woman was the nicest person ever exactly

2:13:59 ↗ so just two things I would add one is

2:14:03 ↗ and I'm not I'm not sure this is true of

2:14:06 ↗ any of you but I just want to let you

2:14:08 ↗ know that when you get the meeting

2:14:11 ↗ invites partly because we need to have a

2:14:13 ↗ quorum and we've had some real

2:14:15 ↗ challenges not with you guys but with

2:14:17 ↗ some of the other boards and commissions

2:14:18 ↗ having forums so please RSVP kind of

2:14:22 ↗ what we're we're not doing a lot of

2:14:24 ↗ polling but I'm trying to send the

2:14:25 ↗ meeting invites out earlier I know it

2:14:27 ↗ doesn't always work with everyone's

2:14:29 ↗ platforms but if you email back I can I

2:14:33 ↗ can keep track of it and it helps us

2:14:35 ↗ make sure that we're going we don't have

2:14:38 ↗ people showing up for a meeting without

2:14:40 ↗ a quorum but it's also that if you're

2:14:44 ↗ unable to attend and you don't respond

2:14:47 ↗ after three consecutive non responses

2:14:51 ↗ you can be removed from the commission

2:14:53 ↗ we would like to not do that that's how

2:14:56 ↗ you get off

2:15:00 ↗ and that's a simple reply to that email

2:15:03 ↗ to you and then with Gretchen CCD on

2:15:06 ↗ that isn't correct okay that's great

2:15:08 ↗ because I did notice some calendar

2:15:10 ↗ invites or I guess some calendar dates

2:15:12 ↗ and invites with some of the meetings

2:15:13 ↗ and I was looking for like a an accept

2:15:15 ↗ button or something on the calendar

2:15:17 ↗ itself but it's just a weird still

2:15:18 ↗ because of some of the challenges end of

2:15:21 ↗ the year is just always insane I mean

2:15:23 ↗ everybody wants to be done before the

2:15:25 ↗ holidays and so Gretchen when Gretchen

2:15:30 ↗ took over from Dominique she I think was

2:15:33 ↗ just trying to get a sense of like what

2:15:35 ↗ you know how do we have forums how many

2:15:39 ↗ meetings are there no sense of doing you

2:15:42 ↗ know with you guys sometimes we'll meet

2:15:44 ↗ every single time and then we may not

2:15:46 ↗ need for three or four months so I think

2:15:48 ↗ she was just sending a lot of those out

2:15:50 ↗ trying to have a sense of like if we

2:15:52 ↗ have meetings come up coming up she and

2:15:55 ↗ I are sort of figuring out we're trying

2:15:57 ↗ to find a good balance between because

2:15:59 ↗ she has all the boards and commissions

2:16:01 ↗ yeah ours are the most difficult we gave

2:16:05 ↗ those big packets so you know she may

2:16:12 ↗ pull at some point especially for a

2:16:13 ↗ special meeting for something that isn't

2:16:15 ↗ a regular meeting she may pull just to

2:16:18 ↗ make sure we'll have a quorum but when

2:16:21 ↗ we send out the meeting invites if you

2:16:22 ↗ can just respond that is probably the

2:16:24 ↗ easiest way for us to track that we have

2:16:27 ↗ enough people we do have meetings coming

2:16:31 ↗ up December 4th and the 18th fourth

2:16:35 ↗ speaking of some of our conversations

2:16:38 ↗ tonight in its wood we are bringing back

2:16:41 ↗ to you this is for consultation is

2:16:44 ↗ actually a staff decision on the changes

2:16:48 ↗ to the elevations it's not necessarily

2:16:51 ↗ that there

2:16:52 ↗ have been massive changes in terms of

2:16:56 ↗ major big things but there have been so

2:16:59 ↗ many little ones that we just want to

2:17:02 ↗ make sure that we have retained the

2:17:04 ↗ flavor I think we feel like it's in a

2:17:06 ↗ good place but before staff make a

2:17:09 ↗ decision we would like your input okay

2:17:12 ↗ so we've been working a lot with the

2:17:14 ↗ applicant and both about the kinds of

2:17:18 ↗ changes had about how to describe it and

2:17:21 ↗ the kinds of materials that will help

2:17:24 ↗ you sort of easily digest because we had

2:17:29 ↗ it took us a long time to figure out

2:17:31 ↗ what changes had happened and we thought

2:17:34 ↗ you know this is our job and you guys

2:17:36 ↗ aren't going to devote that much time to

2:17:37 ↗ it and then right now we are scheduled

2:17:42 ↗ December 18th to bring the Tallis middle

2:17:45 ↗ school to you and this is under the

2:17:48 ↗ Tallis replacement regulations there are

2:17:54 ↗ a lot of moving pieces and we may not

2:17:57 ↗ make the 18th but right now we are

2:18:01 ↗ running fast and furious to get there so

2:18:05 ↗ a question kind of an addition to that

2:18:08 ↗ in terms of protocol for commissioners

2:18:13 ↗ who haven't attended a previous meeting

2:18:16 ↗ like this the December 4th one so it

2:18:18 ↗ sounds like a continuation since I'm not

2:18:21 ↗ familiar with that obviously I don't

2:18:22 ↗ catch up on that and read up the

2:18:24 ↗ material but at what point in during

2:18:28 ↗ that public meeting should I you know

2:18:33 ↗ mention the fact that you know I haven't

2:18:38 ↗ been involved previously but you know

2:18:40 ↗ I've followed followed up and on the

2:18:42 ↗ material watch any any of the videos

2:18:46 ↗ when does that when does that happen do

2:18:50 ↗ I just casually mention before my first

2:18:52 ↗ comment or well I think this is kind of

2:18:55 ↗ an unique one

2:18:57 ↗ we've probably had two and I can't

2:19:00 ↗ remember both of them I can remember one

2:19:02 ↗ of them I think so

2:19:05 ↗ so I have a kind of the way I explain it

2:19:08 ↗ to applicants is if I look at an

2:19:09 ↗ elevation that's that big and I can see

2:19:11 ↗ the differences then I'm going to I'm

2:19:13 ↗ going to want to consult with their

2:19:14 ↗ Development Commission because I think

2:19:17 ↗ now is it a consultation is it a

2:19:21 ↗ decision that's a that's a separate

2:19:23 ↗ matter but I think as part of building a

2:19:28 ↗ sense of trust and transparency we don't

2:19:32 ↗ want you to go out and I mean this is

2:19:34 ↗ the sort of Atlas problem I think a lot

2:19:37 ↗ of Commissioners were very surprised

2:19:38 ↗ when they saw it in the field and yet it

2:19:41 ↗ pretty much looked like it did in the

2:19:42 ↗ plans

2:19:43 ↗ and so especially the blue and so what

2:19:50 ↗ we have really wanted to do is ensure

2:19:53 ↗ that if there's a change that we think

2:19:55 ↗ that you would see and think that isn't

2:19:58 ↗ what I approved then we want to come

2:20:00 ↗ back and either have a decision or a

2:20:02 ↗ consultation in this particular

2:20:06 ↗ circumstance it we believe that this is

2:20:10 ↗ an administrative decision based on the

2:20:13 ↗ criteria which are kind of general I

2:20:16 ↗ will admit but what we have decided is

2:20:19 ↗ that we want to bump it up a level to a

2:20:22 ↗ level one which has public notice so the

2:20:24 ↗ parties of record and neighbors within a

2:20:28 ↗ certain distance will be notified and we

2:20:31 ↗ will send these materials out to you

2:20:33 ↗ we're asking for your input before we

2:20:36 ↗ make a decision so I think it's not as

2:20:39 ↗ quite as sensitive as you're describing

2:20:42 ↗ you're going to see the St the approved

2:20:45 ↗ SDP elevations and the

2:20:47 ↗ new building permit elevations we will

2:20:50 ↗ describe those changes and we're looking

2:20:54 ↗ for your input I mean if we were

2:20:56 ↗ starting over again that would be

2:20:58 ↗ something different but what we're

2:20:59 ↗ saying is do you agree that these are

2:21:02 ↗ either improvements or neutral in some

2:21:05 ↗ cases is because of building codes and

2:21:09 ↗ we may not love the change but there's

2:21:11 ↗ not anything we can do about it but we

2:21:14 ↗ want to have that conversation with you

2:21:15 ↗ and yeah I think it's a really good

2:21:17 ↗ question but yeah I don't I don't think

2:21:18 ↗ you would have to really disclose

2:21:20 ↗ anything okay much more succinct yeah

2:21:26 ↗ just to say oh I think that looks better

2:21:29 ↗ as good as yeah yeah so I don't I don't

2:21:32 ↗ need to mention no I haven't attended

2:21:34 ↗ the the past two meetings but write up

2:21:37 ↗ the material this past weekend watch the

2:21:38 ↗ video I don't think it's okay I think

2:21:40 ↗ you just have to think of it within the

2:21:42 ↗ context of the site development permit

2:21:44 ↗ desert as opposed to a new permit but I

2:21:46 ↗ don't I don't think that for instance I

2:21:50 ↗ don't think you have to go back and read

2:21:51 ↗ all the previous staff reports and and

2:21:53 ↗ all that I know you've been very good

2:21:55 ↗ about doing that and I appreciate that

2:21:56 ↗ thank you Brooke I think you had the

2:22:03 ↗ original idea for I get together and

2:22:06 ↗ like this any any questions you still

2:22:09 ↗ have out there or comment sir yeah I've

2:22:19 ↗ to say what the you know I hadn't served

2:22:22 ↗ on the Commission a while and I are new

2:22:25 ↗ additions have really been excellent

2:22:26 ↗ additions to the Commission and I think

2:22:29 ↗ we are I think we have an excellent

2:22:33 ↗ Commission right now in terms of the

2:22:35 ↗ members and experience and abilities and

2:22:37 ↗ everything I think we're and

2:22:39 ↗ and I've been to some other meetings of

2:22:41 ↗ other committee

2:22:42 ↗ and I do think we operate pretty well

2:22:45 ↗ and I think we're in great shape so they

2:22:49 ↗ didn't get the document on the

2:22:50 ↗ probationary appreciate that and again

2:22:57 ↗ thank you for the opportunity and look

2:22:59 ↗ forward you know you continued learning

2:23:00 ↗ from you know the senior members and I

2:23:12 ↗ think it's I think it's a quite really

2:23:15 ↗ is lucky that we have so many

2:23:17 ↗ commissions and we have the ability for

2:23:19 ↗ public input on things and I think it's

2:23:23 ↗ helped me as a quad better place and

2:23:26 ↗ very fortunate have great staff I think

2:23:32 ↗ the strength of the Commission is the

2:23:33 ↗ willingness of folks to read the

2:23:36 ↗ material before you come in and identify

2:23:38 ↗ the things that you're concerned with

2:23:39 ↗ and not being afraid to speak up and so

2:23:42 ↗ that that's invaluable and so I you all

2:23:46 ↗ done a good job and I encouraged that

2:23:48 ↗ for sure and Lucy this pot what you know

2:23:51 ↗ thank you for putting this together it

2:23:52 ↗ was timely and you know I think we're I

2:23:55 ↗ think we're better for it so unless

2:23:59 ↗ people have more comments or concerns or

2:24:02 ↗ you want to go till ten o'clock kind of

2:24:04 ↗ carry the theme here I would recommend

2:24:07 ↗ that we adjourn the meeting before yeah

2:24:13 ↗ thank you thank you

2:24:16 ↗ I can't take those cookies home because

2:24:21 ↗ I can't admit defeat so

2:24:34 ↗ you

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Council / Members (7)

Richard Sowa

Mel Morgan

Michael Brennan

Kevin Price

Ben Rush

Arthur Schulte, Alt.

Brooke Shore

Staff (1)

Lucy Sloman, Land Development Mgr.

Excused

Richard Sanford

Mark Rigos, Alt. (Not Excused)

Nischitha Venkatesh, Alt. (Not Excused)

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