Environmental Board · Wednesday, March 11, 2026 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of February 11, 2026

5 min · packet pp.3–5

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 02-11-26 Environmental Board Minutes Page [1] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Environmental Board 6:30 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. February 11, 2026 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Stormwater Management Program Plan

45 min · Mike Vermeulen, Sr Environmental & Regulatory Program Specialist Evan Brumfield, Environmental & Regulatory Program Administrator · packet pp.7–31

Topics: Water

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Staff report:

Public Works 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

Cascade Water Alliance Conservation Programs (I)

15 min · James Amspacher, Water Efficiency Director · packet pp.33–41

Topics: Water

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Staff report:

Cascade Water Alliance Water Efficiency Program Overview Issaquah Environmental Board Meeting March 11, 2026

Issaquah Climate Action Plan Update & Additional Action Review (D)

30 min · Stacy Vynne McKinstry, Sustainability Manager · packet pp.43–61

Topics: Climate

Previously discussed: Park Board · Feb 24, 2026 Transportation Advisory Board · Feb 25, 2026 Planning Policy Commission · Feb 26, 2026

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Staff report:

Staff seek feedback on the following additional actions to incorporate into the Transportation & Land Use and the Buildings & Energy focus areas of the ICAP.

5. REPORTS

Metrics Committee (Verbal Update)

5 min

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0:09 ↗ Good evening, my name's Don McWilliams, I'll be the chair of the environmental board tonight

0:13 ↗ for our March 11th meeting.

0:20 ↗ Some of you are hybrid, some of you are in the room. For those of

0:23 ↗ you hybrid, if you have questions, please raise your hand virtually and I'll keep an

0:27 ↗ eye on it and we'll call you. As we see hands raised for those of

0:30 ↗ you in the room, please give your little sign up and follow up again as

0:34 ↗ I see the signs go up. Casey, can

0:40 ↗ you call attendance for us? Tommy Anderson. Here. Nancy Davidson. Here.

0:46 ↗ Tommy Dubow is planning to join virtually. I don't believe I've heard

0:52 ↗ from. Karen Khan has an excused absence. Mina June.

1:00 ↗ From Don McWilliams. Here. Alex Lee Tigner is planning to join virtually.

1:07 ↗ Anne Newcomb. Here. Keith Gonzalez. Here. And John

1:13 ↗ Smith. Here. And it looks like Praj

1:19 ↗ is here. We have Quora. In

1:23 ↗ your packet, are the minutes from the last meeting,

1:29 ↗ does anybody have any changes? I have one little

1:35 ↗ observations as a reference to I warned something I called it

1:41 ↗ spelled I as an

1:42 ↗ eyewitness.

1:49 ↗ The idea being the volunteers are the eyewitnesses on the ground to radio in their

1:55 ↗ observations. We'll make that correction. Anything else?

2:05 ↗ Hearing none, that'll be the only question. Do we have anybody for the public comments

2:11 ↗ tonight? No one online. We did receive written comments

2:17 ↗ from Ann Fletcher on the ICAP, so we'll be capturing those in the ICAP comment

2:22 ↗ tracker, but just reference, take a look at Ann's comments. Those were the only public

2:27 ↗ comments we received. Okay. End to our agenda items. We have three tonight. We're gonna

2:33 ↗ hear about the stormwater management program plan from Mike and Evan, Ray's Quest dad.

2:39 ↗ Cascade Water Alliance is here to talk about their conservation program. And then we're gonna

2:43 ↗ get another update on our program in action. Yeah, Stacy. So Mike, Evan, you guys

2:49 ↗ ready? All right, good evening, everyone.

2:55 ↗ Let me just share my screen. All right, yeah.

3:02 ↗ Thank you all so much for having us here this evening. We are here, as

3:06 ↗ mentioned, to speak about the 2026 Stormwater Management Program Plan for the city.

3:12 ↗ We're part of the environmental group in public works, just to give you a little

3:16 ↗ bit of context of where we're housed in the city. And my name's Mike Vermeulen.

3:21 ↗ I'm senior regulatory program specialist for the city. And I'll be speaking

3:27 ↗ first and then Evan Brumfield, our Groups manager will be speaking at the end.

3:34 ↗ I'll give you a little bit more background on what we're going to be talking

3:38 ↗ about here. So first off, going to be giving some background information on what our

3:44 ↗ NPDES permit is. It's a long acronym. So I

3:50 ↗ like to give a little bit of context what it is and why we have

3:52 ↗ it as a city. And then Every year we like to give a

3:58 ↗ recap to the board of our annual report and our upcoming management program plan. So

4:04 ↗ it's looking at what happened last year and what we have coming up this year.

4:09 ↗ And then a part of what we have coming up is our updates to our

4:12 ↗ stormwater addendum for the city and also code. And that is what Evan will be

4:18 ↗ speaking to. And after that, we'll be happy to take any questions that we have

4:23 ↗ with remaining time, but we are going to leave that till the end because we

4:27 ↗ do have quite a few things to go through. So I want to make sure

4:32 ↗ that we have time for that and are respectful of James's time as well after

4:36 ↗ us. All right, so what is

4:42 ↗ NPDES? If you're not familiar with it, it is our National Pollution Discharge Elimination System.

4:49 ↗ We are a phase two community in Issaquah. Really what that means is that, or

4:55 ↗ what it is, is a permit that we're administered from the Department of Ecology to

4:59 ↗ us. They give us the permit, but they are delegated authority to do that

5:05 ↗ from federally the Clean Water Act. So it is something that we do to protect

5:10 ↗ our waters here. It regulates stormwater discharges to waters of the state.

5:17 ↗ because that might just sound like some alphabet soup and a lot of words you

5:20 ↗ might not be as familiar with. This is a picture from the EPA that I

5:24 ↗ think does a pretty good job of talking about stormwater and what it is and

5:29 ↗ some of the reasons why we are so invested in making sure that we are

5:34 ↗ keeping it as clean as possible. So stormwater is any water or precipitation that flows

5:40 ↗ over the surfaces of our built environments. So this would be rain, snow, or sleet.

5:45 ↗ when it hits things like our roadways and travels over the surface into our stormwater

5:50 ↗ system, it has the potential to pick up pollutants and it ultimately winds up

5:56 ↗ in our surface waters again. So, you know, Issaquah Creek, our lakes, that sort

6:02 ↗ of thing. And because there is the potential for pollution to have this system and

6:08 ↗ to convey this stormwater, we need to have, the permit from the Department

6:14 ↗ of Ecology that says we are going to be reducing the

6:20 ↗ discharge of pollutants from our stormwater system to the maximum extent that we can.

6:28 ↗ So I'll be referring to this instead of our NPDES permit just as the permit

6:33 ↗ or our stormwater permit inside of the permit, there are a number of different

6:39 ↗ program components. So we have nine, this permit term, and

6:45 ↗ those are looking at addressing the reduction of pollutants from a number of different ways.

6:50 ↗ So those are stormwater planning, and I'll be giving more in depth on this. I'll

6:55 ↗ be going through each of these in the upcoming slides, but there's stormwater planning, public

7:00 ↗ education and outreach, public involvement and participation, mapping and documentation,

7:06 ↗ Elicit discharge detection and elimination, controlling runoff from development,

7:12 ↗ stormwater management for existing development, source control program for existing development, and

7:18 ↗ operations and maintenance. So as you can see, it's a number of

7:24 ↗ different components with different ways of addressing pollutants in our stormwater.

7:31 ↗ And this is again just saying we're going to be looking at our annual report.

7:34 ↗ So looking back at the last year, forward at the next year and then Evan

7:38 ↗ will be speaking to the addendum and code. Each of the slides I'll be going

7:44 ↗ over are going to be roughly structured this way there's going to be you know

7:47 ↗ which component are we looking at in this case it's stormwater planning a little blurb

7:52 ↗ about what it is and what like the main goal of this program component is

7:56 ↗ and then you know again looking at 2025 and 2026. So Stormwater

8:01 ↗ planning, what's it all about? It's about informing and assisting in the development of policies

8:05 ↗ and strategies as water quality management tools. You know, working across the city

8:11 ↗ towards protecting our stormwater. So in 2025, we didn't have any

8:18 ↗ notable updates coming through this program component. So it was really focused on continuing to

8:23 ↗ coordinate across departments and to implement our storm and surface water plan.

8:29 ↗ 2026 is going to be, you know, continuing those strategies, continuing that coordination and really

8:34 ↗ looking into and scoping out what the update to our stormwater management action

8:40 ↗ plan is going to be looking like. That's in 2027. March 31st

8:47 ↗ is the deadline for that update. That was rolled into our

8:53 ↗ very in-depth and like more comprehensive storm and surface water master plan that we did,

8:57 ↗ I believe it was in 2022. So that covered a lot and we're looking at

9:01 ↗ how we can update that for the new requirement in 2027.

9:08 ↗ For education and outreach, it is what it sounds like. This is providing education and

9:13 ↗ outreach on behaviors which contribute to a healthy watershed. In 2025,

9:20 ↗ We participate with the regional don't wait to inflate campaign. This was really focused on

9:25 ↗ bringing awareness to the pollutant 6 PPD or 6 PPDQ, which is a comes

9:31 ↗ from degradation of tire wear particles and is one of the leading contributors to

9:38 ↗ especially coho salmon death in the area from stormwater runoff. And

9:44 ↗ this is all about. telling people that if you pump up your tires more often

9:48 ↗ and have them more filled up, you'll have less tire wear coming off and contribute

9:51 ↗ less of that pollutant to the watersheds. We also, and you'll be hearing about

9:57 ↗ this from James after we speak, be learning more about the partnership we have as

10:02 ↗ a city with Cascade Water Alliance We partnered with Friends of Issaquah Salmon Hatchery on

10:08 ↗ our From Canopy to Curb program with them this last year, where we, and especially

10:14 ↗ they, promoted our Adopt-A-Drain program and Tree Giveaway program.

10:20 ↗ We had a number of different business outreach programs, and then also our Dumpster Lid

10:25 ↗ program, which was a permit requirement this last year to

10:31 ↗ update our behavior change program and we're opting to or choosing to continue our dumpster

10:36 ↗ lid program which is all about keeping dumpster lids closed in different

10:42 ↗ businesses across the city to basically keep them from filling up with rainwater and then

10:48 ↗ having the chance of contaminating or releasing one of my favorite stormwater terms dumpster juice.

10:55 ↗ So we updated our strategy and schedule and began implementation this year on that.

11:02 ↗ For our stewardship actions, Green Issaquah has 67 restoration events, which planted over 2000

11:08 ↗ trees and our adopted drain program, which is still fairly new to the city has

11:13 ↗ 133 drains adopted and volunteers removed just under 1000 pounds

11:19 ↗ of debris from storm drain from around storm drain. So not opening them,

11:25 ↗ but you know, like raking leaves off of them. In 2026,

11:30 ↗ our plan is to continue these current strategies and programs. We don't have any upcoming

11:36 ↗ deadlines in 2026 for education and outreach.

11:42 ↗ Alright, public involvement and participation. 2025 it was really about making

11:48 ↗ sure you know this is every year we post our stormwater management program plan what

11:52 ↗ we're talking about tonight. And also our annual report and make sure that those are

11:57 ↗ submitted to ecology as well and made available to the public, we have a 2026

12:03 ↗ deadline to document methods that the city uses to identify overburdened communities. So. We will

12:08 ↗ be. able to provide you updates on

12:14 ↗ that next year with that upcoming deadline there. Mapping and

12:20 ↗ documentation is again what it sounds like making sure that the city is maintaining a

12:25 ↗ online, online maps for our stormwater system. So we've continued to do that and this

12:31 ↗ year we also have updated and will be submitting outfall information that now includes

12:39 ↗ outfall size and material. So if you're not familiar with what stormwater outfall is

12:45 ↗ that that would be where stormwater system releases any stormwater into surface

12:51 ↗ waters. And for 2026, we have a upcoming

12:57 ↗ deadline to map tree canopy coverage on city owned properties. This is well underway and

13:02 ↗ we've been working with our parks department to do that as part of a larger

13:07 ↗ overall mapping of tree canopy across the city.

13:14 ↗ Our illicit discharge detection and elimination program is designed and all about preventing,

13:20 ↗ detecting and eliminating spills and illicit discharges across the city. In 2025,

13:26 ↗ we had 79 spills or water quality complaints or notifications that we responded to.

13:34 ↗ We visited 122 sites for pollution prevention visits. So this is all about

13:40 ↗ helping businesses have things in place to prevent them from ever having spills. And we

13:46 ↗ screened just over 12% of our stormwater system for illicit connections. 12.1%

13:52 ↗ is notable because we do have the requirement to meet at a minimum 12%

13:58 ↗ every year of the city screened. In 2026, we'll make sure we

14:04 ↗ meet that percentage requirement again. We'll continue those current strategies of responding to spills throughout

14:09 ↗ the city and reporting them. We also have a couple of deadlines that

14:15 ↗ are really focused in on making sure that the city has

14:22 ↗ more procedures in place around post-emergency firefighting cleanup.

14:28 ↗ One of those is focused specifically on PFAS. We already have

14:34 ↗ been talking to Eastside Fire Rescue have confirmed that they don't use PFAS in any

14:40 ↗ of the foams here, so we will get that documented as we need to, but

14:45 ↗ we're also going to be focusing in more on making sure we have post-emergency

14:50 ↗ cleanup procedures outlined to minimize those discharges to our stormwater system.

15:02 ↗ For our controlling runoff from development construction sites, this is one of those, or this

15:07 ↗ section is one of the ones that leans more heavily on our permit group in

15:11 ↗ the city. So CPD, it's focused on implementing and forcing

15:16 ↗ programs to reduce stormwater pollutants from development. So in 2025,

15:23 ↗ we reviewed as a city 200 permits and we inspected 113

15:29 ↗ construction sites for erosion and sediment control. And then we had two enforcement actions as

15:34 ↗ well. 2026 is going to be just making sure that we're

15:40 ↗ meeting all the permit requirements and continuing our strategies. And this will be

15:46 ↗ for the 2026 plan, the 2027 deadline to adopt a new stormwater manual is what

15:52 ↗ Evan will be speaking to after my section here.

16:00 ↗ For our retrofit program or stormwater management in existing development is the other name for

16:05 ↗ it. This really focuses on addressing stormwater in areas that have development already there.

16:12 ↗ This was a new permit section that was, or program component added in for the

16:18 ↗ current permit term. But 2025 was a big year for us because

16:24 ↗ our Northwest Birch Place Sorry,

16:30 ↗ stormwater treatment vault finished construction was installed. So this meets our

16:36 ↗ requirements for the permit term. We had the requirement of having 6.6 equivalent acres met

16:41 ↗ and we've got just under 30 with this one project. So this treatment fault,

16:47 ↗ it's a picture of it being installed there on the left side of the screen.

16:51 ↗ It's an underground vault that removed contaminants from roads and other hard surfaces.

16:59 ↗ So though we've met that requirement, we're going to continue to seek funding for additional

17:03 ↗ projects that we have outlined in our capital improvement plan.

17:10 ↗ For our source control program, this is one of our business inspection programs in the

17:15 ↗ city. It's similar to talking about pollution prevention assistance. It's focused

17:21 ↗ on keeping pollutants from leaving different businesses in our city or other developed

17:27 ↗ areas and entering. our stormwater system. In 2025, we're required to have 40

17:33 ↗ source control inspections or visits, and we had 69. So we did well to meet

17:38 ↗ that. These were again, similar to the prior year, focused predominantly on food

17:44 ↗ service and automotive businesses in the city. 2026, we're gonna continue to

17:50 ↗ meet that, the requirement of total number of inspections, including inspecting all those

17:57 ↗ that have credible complaints and we aim to every year also update our source control

18:01 ↗ inventory. So we're working off of the most up-to-date information we have.

18:10 ↗ And this is the last program component that I'll be going over, I believe. So

18:14 ↗ operations and maintenance. In 2025, we

18:20 ↗ met all of our requirements for private facilities. a facility

18:26 ↗ being like a storm. It could be a rain garden for instance.

18:32 ↗ On private properties, we inspect 94% of those in our inventory. On our

18:38 ↗ city side of things, we inspect 96% of city facilities and

18:44 ↗ just under 2000 catch basins were inspected. And for pervious surfaces

18:50 ↗ maintained, we maintained a, A little bit over 60,000 square feet of those

18:56 ↗ this year. In 2026, we're going to continue to meet all these requirements and

19:02 ↗ continue having conversations internally about the 2027 street sweeping program that we'll be

19:09 ↗ bringing online for the stormwater permit as well. So working very closely with our

19:15 ↗ streets group and then stormwater group around that.

19:22 ↗ And I'm gonna pass this off to Evan, but after his section, excited to field

19:25 ↗ any questions that y'all might have from my update.

19:31 ↗ All right, can everyone hear me okay? Yes. All right. My name is

19:37 ↗ Evan Brumfield. I'm a Environmental Regulatory Program Manager for the city. So as

19:43 ↗ Mike mentioned earlier, by June, 2027, we'll be updating our

19:49 ↗ stormwater design manual as well as accompanying stormwater codes. These updates are

19:55 ↗ required for the city to do typically every five years. So as we get a

19:59 ↗ new MPDS permit, we have to update new stormwater standards to meet that new

20:05 ↗ permit. So in order for us to maintain compliance with our permit,

20:11 ↗ we'll be updating our Issaquah Municipal Code, Titles 16 and 13.

20:17 ↗ Those house our stormwater standards and codes. Our stormwater

20:23 ↗ design manual is within our Title 16 code and in Issaquah our stormwater

20:29 ↗ design manual is made up of two separate documents. One is

20:35 ↗ our, one is the Ecology Stormwater Management Manual of Western Washington. Right now it's the

20:41 ↗ 2019 version. And the second document is our stormwater design manual addendum.

20:50 ↗ So as I mentioned, the 2019 manual, that's what we have currently in the city.

20:55 ↗ We will be updating to the next version of the ecology manual, which will be

21:00 ↗ the 2024 manual. And this manual provides guidance

21:06 ↗ on measures necessary to control the quantity and quality of stormwater. ISQA uses this

21:12 ↗ manual to set stormwater requirements for new development as well as redevelopment projects.

21:18 ↗ Land developers and development engineers use this manual to design permanent stormwater control plans.

21:25 ↗ They also create, this manual is used to create construction stormwater pollution prevention plans

21:31 ↗ and determine stormwater infrastructure. Businesses will use this manual to help design their stormwater

21:37 ↗ pollution prevention plans as well. So then that second document is

21:43 ↗ the stormwater design manual addendum. And this is, we also call it just our ISQUADDENDUM

21:48 ↗ or the addendum. While most of the ecology manual pertains to Issaquah,

21:55 ↗ there are areas where we want to be a little more locally prescriptive. And so

22:01 ↗ this addendum allows us to be more locally prescriptive of stormwater requirements that

22:07 ↗ help fit Issaquah better. And so these are areas where we can go potentially above

22:13 ↗ and beyond the basic stormwater requirements. Ecology manual

22:19 ↗ requirements. And so yeah, an example of that is we have

22:26 ↗ discharge requirements from construction sites, like a certain muddiness of water.

22:32 ↗ The Ecology manual essentially is 250 measurement. In

22:38 ↗ Issaquah, it's 100 measurements. And so we try to be more locally prescriptive to

22:44 ↗ protect our water and our environment. So where are

22:50 ↗ we at in this process? We're actually at the beginning. We've met internally in

22:56 ↗ staff to kind of identify some areas that we potentially might want to look at

23:00 ↗ updating. And then we're going to pick off this process by coming back

23:06 ↗ to you, the environmental board, to different boards and commissions, as well as the council,

23:11 ↗ to seek feedback on areas that we maybe potentially want to go above and beyond.

23:18 ↗ as well as just give a brief overview of what these mandatory kind of updates

23:24 ↗ are and what they're going to look like. Next

23:29 ↗ slide, Mike. So that kind of

23:35 ↗ gets us to the end of the presentation for questions, but real quickly sounded like

23:41 ↗ maybe there was some questions on maybe what a stormwater pond is and kind of

23:46 ↗ how they operate. in Issaquah. So I was going to give just a very quick

23:52 ↗ overview of what a stormwater pond is and kind of how they work. No, no

23:58 ↗ one pond, no pond is the same. And so this will be like super high

24:02 ↗ level, but essentially there's two functions to a stormwater pond.

24:08 ↗ One is to capture or collect stormwater and slow it down basically and to

24:16 ↗ slow the release of the water from going further downstream, whether that's in further down

24:22 ↗ into the stormwater system or into a water body. And the second is to to

24:27 ↗ treat stormwater. And the way that works is by by capturing and collecting that that

24:32 ↗ stormwater and slowing it down. It allows settlement to occur, which allows settlement

24:38 ↗ or pollutants to settle down to the bottom. But it also can trap oil within

24:43 ↗ the pond. And so it kind of acts as yeah, those two kinds of functions

24:48 ↗ to basically capture, collect and treat. And in the city, we

24:54 ↗ have both public and private stormwater ponds. On the public side, our

25:00 ↗ public works team, they inspect them annually and then maintain them as

25:06 ↗ required or identified in the inspection. And then on the private side, our environmental team

25:12 ↗ in Public Works as well, we inspect these ponds. The timeframe we

25:18 ↗ inspect them is a little different than the public side. Some sites on the private

25:23 ↗ side are regulated by our MPDS permit, and so they have more stringent inspection

25:28 ↗ timeframes. We typically inspect those annually. But then we

25:35 ↗ go all the way down to every three years to then some are just as

25:38 ↗ needed or as requested by the property manager. So there might be a property turnover

25:44 ↗ and there or maybe a new very invested HOA and they're wanting to get their

25:49 ↗ stormwater system inspected. We will go out there and inspect the system for them and

25:55 ↗ provide them with guidance and a list of contractors to help them maintain their system.

26:04 ↗ So that's kind of very high level of stormwater. Happy to answer

26:10 ↗ more questions, but it sounds like, yeah, we're going to open it up for all

26:14 ↗ sorts of questions and discussion on both stormwater code updates and Mike's

26:20 ↗ MPDS kind of annual reporting. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Evan. Yeah, we

26:25 ↗ do have some questions. Tom, first of all. Okay, thank you. Yes, I'd

26:31 ↗ like to go back to the page where you talked about 2025 actions, 79

26:38 ↗ spills responded to. Can you give us a little bit of a breakdown of the

26:43 ↗ nature of those spills? Like I'm kind of expecting the majority of them happened on

26:48 ↗ public roadways, for example, that versus private

26:54 ↗ property, you know, like a parking lot of business. And what about natural

27:00 ↗ spills such as a little land soil or something? Is that included in that or

27:05 ↗ is that categorized and covered somewhere else?

27:13 ↗ Yeah, thank you. So I don't have like

27:18 ↗ percentages for the breakdown off the top of my head, but a lot of those

27:23 ↗ really are on the roadway from things like vehicle collisions.

27:29 ↗ It's hard to say what percentage of them, but a whole lot of them and

27:32 ↗ these. You know it varies year to year what percentage is public

27:38 ↗ first private we we respond to any of them that come through to us of

27:43 ↗ any size, so you know in these 79 responses

27:49 ↗ and that's not quite the right slide apologies um. That includes

27:55 ↗ times when we get a notification through our C-click-fix portal that is just, hey, there

28:00 ↗ is a sheen that we found on a roadway with no ability to figure

28:06 ↗ it. If no one knows where it comes from, but they see a sheen, we

28:09 ↗ still go out and record it, and we oftentimes report that still as well. So

28:15 ↗ these do come from a lot of both private, public, don't know the total split.

28:21 ↗ A lot of them are roadway ones. Other ones, you know, there's every

28:26 ↗ year a handful of water main breaks, so potable

28:32 ↗ water going to the roadway as well. That's another typical one that we might see.

28:42 ↗ Yeah, off the top of my head, those are the ones I think of immediately,

28:45 ↗ but definitely vehicle collisions. And then we'd So this year we did

28:50 ↗ have a natural spill, as you call it, reported. And that was

28:58 ↗ a, I think it was an abandoned mine that had water flowing out of it

29:01 ↗ into our roadway this year. So yes, we do respond to and report those as

29:07 ↗ well. So the mine, was that on Spock

29:10 ↗ Mountain

29:16 ↗ or the mine at full? Yes. One more little question. Of course. the weeds maybe,

29:20 ↗ but so I've been involved with building a few houses in Issaquah and they all

29:25 ↗ were required to have dry wells to manage the water flowing out of gas spouts.

29:31 ↗ And I've observed in recent times here, houses often don't have dry wells that are

29:36 ↗ allowed to spill onto a splash block or whatever. Is there been like a shifted

29:42 ↗ philosophy away from dry well because they're hard to maintain or something or or what

29:48 ↗ has changed in the last 20 years or so? The philosophy

29:54 ↗ of managing the water coming out of the down spot. I said you come off

29:59 ↗ mute. Yep. Yep. Okay. So actually I would say

30:05 ↗ it's the opposite. A lot more dry wells are going in as well as infiltration

30:10 ↗ trenches in the city. So a lot, all

30:16 ↗ I would say I shouldn't say all, but a single family home being built in

30:20 ↗ Issaquah will either have dry well or they'll have an

30:25 ↗ infiltration trench put in that is basically all underground,

30:31 ↗ letting the stormwater infiltrate into the ground. Yeah, I mean, there are areas of town

30:37 ↗ that, I mean, you will see splash blocks and stuff. Some of those are handled

30:41 ↗ by maybe a regional stormwater facility. And so that's handled on

30:47 ↗ like a case by case basis and through our permitting. Okay, thank you.

30:56 ↗ John, I think I'll be next. There are a number of stormwater ditches and retention

31:01 ↗ ponds around Isquah and there are some along roads, things like that.

31:08 ↗ Some of these pass through PASTROOM COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR BORDER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY

31:14 ↗ OR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. WHO HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP THESE CLEAN?

31:21 ↗ ARE THEY CASE BY CASE? YEAH, YOU'RE JUST

31:26 ↗ ASKING ABOUT DITCH MAINTENANCE? YES. AND IF IT RUNS, YEAH, SO

31:33 ↗ IF IT'S A CITY DITCH, WE MAINTAIN THOSE. WE INSPECT THEM AND DO THAT. PRIVATE

31:38 ↗ SIDE, Again, it would be kind of handled as well with our

31:43 ↗ pond inspection program. So we inspect basically the whole site when we go onto a

31:47 ↗ private side. And some of those sites are regulated through the MPDS

31:53 ↗ permit. And so we would have more frequent inspections with them. Some are like as

31:58 ↗ needed as they come up. So I would say it

32:05 ↗ depends on what side it is and what's going on. And then You know, if

32:10 ↗ that you know what looks like a ditch might actually be a stream as well,

32:13 ↗ and so that would kind of factor in some decisions as well. Yeah, I write

32:19 ↗ a. Grassroots litter cleanup program in its law and there are certain areas around town

32:24 ↗ that are. Pretty bad and they they are are hard to keep clean.

32:32 ↗ I think the inspections in certain areas need to be done probably quarterly. and the

32:37 ↗ owners need to be notified to take care of their property, especially in

32:43 ↗ central Issaquah in particular, around some

32:49 ↗ of the parks and such there and the commercial areas. I'd be happy to

32:55 ↗ give you a list of places that could be

33:03 ↗ worked for a better term. Yeah, I mean, we're always happy to know, you know,

33:08 ↗ where those areas are. I'd be curious to know what you're seeing.

33:14 ↗ Is it, you know, are you seeing overflow happening or is it just vegetation?

33:20 ↗ Sometimes these, like I said, these ditches are actually natural areas of their streams. Sometimes

33:24 ↗ they're They're designed to operate a certain way to treat stormwater

33:30 ↗ with vegetation present. And so there is a lot of different intricacies definitely going on

33:36 ↗ with just a ditch. Yeah, most of what I'm seeing is litter that's generated by

33:43 ↗ fast food restaurants primarily, or gas stations, beer cans,

33:49 ↗ coffee cups, food containers. So it's plastic.

33:55 ↗ plastic and aluminum and paper. Yeah, okay. Plugging out of these streams

34:03 ↗ in retention ponds. Another good example is I've always wondered who owns the

34:10 ↗ retention pond at Tibbetts Park. There's just full of softballs by one of the

34:16 ↗ softball fields by the Yeah. Got some

34:22 ↗ home run hitters. I love you

34:25 ↗ doing. Actually, they're foul balls. They're foul balls, yeah. Evan is submitting these

34:31 ↗ concerns on C-Click Fix the best so you guys can do the reporting and have

34:37 ↗ that data or just contacting you. I'm guessing that might be easier so you can

34:44 ↗ kind of determine who's on point and have that data for reporting. Yeah, yeah, C-Click

34:50 ↗ Fix is great. that um that that'd be great um the Tibbets pond is just

34:56 ↗ for information is a city owned pond so um yeah uh C-click fix always

35:01 ↗ good for that okay all right thank you

35:09 ↗ thank you so Mike I have a couple of questions for

35:15 ↗ you uh so in the IDDE I noticed you have There

35:21 ↗ was a 12% screening requirement was mentioned, and I was wondering what that is. I

35:25 ↗ didn't get that. Yeah, of course. So the

35:31 ↗ requirement is to basically look through or look into 12%

35:38 ↗ of our stormwater system to see during dry weather if there's any flow

35:43 ↗ occurring. So what this would look like is the person doing the inspections could go

35:49 ↗ out let's say to a neighborhood and open up a catch basin so one of

35:53 ↗ the storm water grates and when if you expected to see no water flowing through

35:59 ↗ there but you did see water flowing through there for instance it might be a

36:03 ↗ good indication that maybe there was a connection that shouldn't there shouldn't be into the

36:09 ↗ system or maybe there was water being discharged into it from somewhere else so

36:16 ↗ That could be a case of like a tie in where another

36:22 ↗ utility like sewer is going into the stormwater system, or it could be, you know,

36:27 ↗ maybe someone is just discharging a lot of water into the city's stormwater system as

36:33 ↗ well. So this is a preventative measure to go out and screen a certain amount

36:39 ↗ of our system to make sure that we don't have any of these things going

36:42 ↗ on, or if we do to make sure that we are able to correct them.

36:46 ↗ Right, okay. And then another question I have is, and I don't know if

36:52 ↗ the commercial small businesses, to Jonathan's point, especially

36:58 ↗ small restaurants or small food shops, I don't know if they have any NPDES

37:03 ↗ requirements. My other question was, food and trucks or equivalent mobile

37:09 ↗ businesses, do they need to meet any stormwater pollution prevention requirements?

37:16 ↗ And I think a word under, you know, your permit or your screening. So the

37:21 ↗ question, just to make sure I have it right, is do mobile businesses need to

37:24 ↗ meet the requirements under a stormwater permit? Correct. Yes, they do.

37:30 ↗ And so I'm guessing the small businesses or food center, commercial, any commercial business,

37:36 ↗ large or small, has to meet those requirements as well, right? Correct. Yes, yes.

37:42 ↗ And it can be harder sometimes to, you know, if someone,

37:48 ↗ if there's a business that's mobile, it could be harder to see if they're like

37:54 ↗ violating any of our permit conditions or to reach out to them. But there are

37:59 ↗ a number of, or there are people share information around that. If there are repeat

38:04 ↗ bad players, you know, that go around the local like Eastside communities.

38:11 ↗ And then also we do our best to respond as quickly as we can to

38:16 ↗ provide education to these, to the mobile businesses or

38:22 ↗ other small businesses communities as well. Because I mean, we take that education first

38:28 ↗ approach because you know, might not always know. So if someone's mobile, it's important for

38:33 ↗ us to like be able to tell them where they can discharge of their wastewater

38:37 ↗ if they need to. Okay. Thank you. Yep, yep. Thank you, Baraj. Nancy, I

38:44 ↗ see your hand up. Hi, this is Nancy. I should probably turn my camera on

38:49 ↗ too. I was a little curious. At the end of your presentation, you talked a

38:53 ↗ little bit about updating the stormwater code and if you could go above and beyond.

38:58 ↗ And the question I have for you is, given the interest of the council to

39:03 ↗ try and do things to help out redevelopment of the central Issaquah area. And

39:09 ↗ they're talking about loosening up some of the regulations. How's that going to impact? I

39:14 ↗ mean, how are you going to play between what the council's now looking to do

39:18 ↗ to get development in central Issaquah versus trying to go above and beyond and protecting

39:24 ↗ the streams? Yeah, great question. We're having those same

39:30 ↗ discussions internally as well of how we're going to thread that needle.

39:36 ↗ And what we can do is make the recommendation, right? And so it ultimately does

39:42 ↗ go to council of what they deem that they wanna do. And so we have

39:47 ↗ the base requirements we will have to update. And then we will figure out if

39:54 ↗ there are areas where we can go above and beyond that do also

40:00 ↗ go along with what the council priorities are too. And so we haven't figured out

40:05 ↗ what those areas are yet. Um, we, when we met internally to kind of identify

40:11 ↗ some potential areas, um, this was all before all that kind of guidance

40:16 ↗ came out. And so, um, you know, we're going to meet again internally and start

40:22 ↗ having that conversation, uh, with the flavor that council wants now. So, um, yeah, we

40:28 ↗ haven't had those, those discussions yet internally since that guidance has come out. So I

40:33 ↗ guess the question I have for you then to follow up on that is, you

40:37 ↗ know, when you come forward to places like the Environmental Board or Planning Policy Commission,

40:43 ↗ are you going to bring us your original ideas of where we can go above

40:47 ↗ and beyond? So because I suspect I will be asking to see those before they

40:53 ↗ get the influence of what the council is looking for and perhaps the development community

40:58 ↗ is looking for And I guess the question will always be, are we going to

41:03 ↗ have two codes, one for developers that are trying to redevelop central Issaquah and

41:09 ↗ one for the rest of the community or how this is all going to work?

41:12 ↗ Because I think there's some significant challenges ahead with the direction the council is taking.

41:19 ↗ Yes. Yeah. It is our intention to not have two codes.

41:27 ↗ We don't want that. We want one. And so that's our intention. That's how we're

41:31 ↗ setting out. Yeah. I mean, also, you know, full transparency, what we're going to present

41:36 ↗ to you as well. We're not going to try to, you know,

41:42 ↗ we will present to you our original ideas for sure. And again, that is going

41:47 ↗ to be up to the council to decide what they want to do. And so

41:52 ↗ we have recommendations as staff that we will try. to show what

41:58 ↗ we have seen using this stormwater manual for the last five years in areas

42:04 ↗ where we've had difficulties working with developers, some potential gray

42:10 ↗ areas that we see. Those are areas that we'll try to identify to help

42:16 ↗ the permitting process to streamline, to make it faster, right? So right now there is

42:22 ↗ a lots of back and forth on potential gray areas wasted

42:27 ↗ time happening, internal discussions, trying to figure out what this means, where we can clarify

42:32 ↗ that and then make that permit process go a lot smoother. So yeah, that's what

42:38 ↗ we're trying to do. Great. Look forward to it. Thank you very much. Yeah.

42:43 ↗ Nancy, one more question for you. All right. Thanks, guys. This is Ann Newcomb.

42:52 ↗ So years ago when I used to deliver mail on the plateau, a lot of

42:57 ↗ people were hiring companies like Camlon and True Green to come in and

43:04 ↗ spray chemicals on their lawn and things. So I don't even know if those

43:09 ↗ companies are still in business, but there's probably other companies that do the same thing.

43:15 ↗ How does Issaquah address runoff from chemicals from people's yards?

43:27 ↗ Is that something that you guys look at? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that's, I

43:32 ↗ mean, just from the homeowner perspective, we try to educate on, you

43:38 ↗ know, fertilizing techniques and not over fertilizing or certain times a year to fertilize, right.

43:45 ↗ To use the correct fertilizer, to not use a weed be gone, you know, so

43:50 ↗ it's just a non-selective herbicide that's getting placed, right. all over the place.

43:57 ↗ So there are yard care techniques that we educate on and we have workshops on

44:03 ↗ natural yard care and stuff like that. Yeah, and what you're referencing, like

44:09 ↗ I call them the lawn painters because they just come and paint your lawn green

44:13 ↗ with all the different stuff. That would be, that's that mobile business that we

44:19 ↗ have difficulty with as well. So a lot of times we get the complaint, we

44:22 ↗ show up, they're gone and then we try to track them down and we provide

44:28 ↗ them with education on what we expect in this aqua. Good job. Thank you. Any

44:34 ↗ other

44:39 ↗ questions? All right, I don't see any other questions for you guys. Thank you very

44:45 ↗ much. Appreciate it being here. And I'll be sending out my questions. Evan sent me

44:49 ↗ today the link for public comments is live on the stormwater management program plan. So

44:55 ↗ I will send that out along with the C-Click Fix link. All right,

45:05 ↗ next up we have James Ampspatcher. Did I get that right? Ampspatcher, good job.

45:11 ↗ It's a tough one, I know. James is the water efficiency director.

45:18 ↗ Yeah, let me share my screen here. Thank you all for having me today. I

45:22 ↗ really appreciate it. I want to give you all a brief overview of Cascade

45:28 ↗ and then I'll dive into our water efficiency program. Again, my name is James Amspatcher

45:33 ↗ and I am the Water Efficiency Director at Cascade Water Alliance. And

45:39 ↗ the advance here. OK, so Cascade Water Alliance is a municipal corporation that was formed

45:45 ↗ in 1999. with the mission to provide water supply to meet the current and

45:51 ↗ future needs of our members in a cost-effective and environmentally responsible manner through partnerships,

45:57 ↗ water efficiency programs, acquiring, constructing, and managing water supply

46:02 ↗ infrastructure, and fostering regional water planning. So Cascade has seven

46:08 ↗ current members. Those include the cities of Issaquah, Bellevue,

46:14 ↗ Redmond, Kirkland, and Tukwila, as well as Sammamish Plateau water and

46:20 ↗ Skyway water and sewer district. Oh, I forgot to mention before I started, I'll leave

46:25 ↗ time at the end if anybody has questions, but if anybody does have questions, feel

46:29 ↗ free to pop in and ask them. Don't be bashful. In

46:34 ↗ addition to any independent water supply sources owned by Cascade members.

46:40 ↗ Cascade currently purchases drinking water from Seattle Public Utilities. Cascade did sign a

46:46 ↗ contract with Tacoma last year and will start taking water from Tacoma in 2041 and

46:51 ↗ that will be to replace the declining supply and our current contract with Seattle. Also

46:57 ↗ in 2009, Cascade purchased the White River Lake Taps Reservoir System as a

47:04 ↗ future municipal drinking water supply. But the new contract with Tacoma will allow us to

47:09 ↗ defer developing the Lake Taps Reservoir until at least the 2060s.

47:15 ↗ In order to make existing water supplies last as long as possible, Cascade developed a

47:21 ↗ water efficiency program to encourage people in our member service area to conserve water as

47:26 ↗ much as possible. So next, I will walk you through the different components of that

47:31 ↗ program. First is our school programs. We

47:37 ↗ contract with both Nature Vision and Sustainability Ambassadors for those programs. The nature vision

47:42 ↗ programs are mostly grade school and middle school. Sustainability ambassadors is

47:48 ↗ mostly geared towards high school students with some middle school students as well.

47:55 ↗ Nature vision classes, they have both in-class and virtual programs. The

48:01 ↗ virtual programs were really developed during COVID so we could reach people. They're still an

48:05 ↗ option, but last year we didn't have any. It's all been in-classroom programs.

48:12 ↗ We offer 500 of those programs within our member service area each year.

48:18 ↗ And in addition to the in-class programs, they offer watershed field

48:24 ↗ experiences. So classes can get out into their local watershed to explore and learn

48:30 ↗ about the importance of keeping those safe and clean, as well as

48:36 ↗ the importance of conserving drinking water. They also have what they call blue teams,

48:42 ↗ Those are where an educator will go in not just for an hour and teach

48:46 ↗ them and leave. They're actually going in and spending four to six hours. They're going

48:51 ↗ in multiple times with each classroom. And so they get a lot more hands on

48:58 ↗ education. They get a lot deeper with them and those culminate with presentations given by

49:03 ↗ the students. The sustainability ambassadors program, there's a couple of components to

49:09 ↗ that. First is the youth ambassadorship. We have a number of youth ambassadors within our

49:14 ↗ member service area who are trained up to in sustainability practices

49:20 ↗ and then trained on how to use marketing and social media to

49:27 ↗ spread that knowledge to their family, their friends, their peers at school.

49:34 ↗ and it's been a great program for us. With Sustainability Ambassadors, they also have

49:39 ↗ learning labs where teachers will come in and work with them to develop curriculum

49:48 ↗ that not only those teachers who help develop it can take back to their classroom,

49:52 ↗ but it's also on the shelf so other teachers can come in, plug and play

49:57 ↗ into their own classrooms with real-life examples from within our region.

50:05 ↗ We also offer free irrigation assessments to park schools,

50:11 ↗ commercial buildings, multifamily homes, homeowner's associations, pretty much any but

50:18 ↗ single-family homes. It's just cost prohibitive to be able to send someone out to

50:23 ↗ perform an in-depth irrigation assessment on a single-family home. But

50:29 ↗ for all others, we do that. contract with someone who will go out and do

50:35 ↗ a very thorough investigation and write up a report that we will give them

50:41 ↗ on what we're finding as well as what fixes we recommend so that it can

50:47 ↗ reduce their water usage. You know here in these photos are just a couple examples.

50:52 ↗ The top one is over watering, the bottom one their irrigation system is watering the

50:58 ↗ streets. We hate seeing things like that so we'll try and and give them as

51:03 ↗ much information in the report as possible so that they can fix these issues and

51:08 ↗ stop wasting water. We also do a lot of

51:14 ↗ focus on water efficient gardening. Outdoor water use, so in the summertime

51:20 ↗ during peak demand, users end up using

51:25 ↗ about twice as much water as they do during the rest of the year. And

51:29 ↗ that's obviously the time of year where we're not getting rain that's replenishing and refilling

51:34 ↗ the reservoirs. So focusing on outdoor gardening, but since that's where so much

51:40 ↗ water is used when it's really needed the most, has been really helpful for us.

51:45 ↗ So first we have Cascade Gardener classes. We offer both online and in-person classes. The

51:50 ↗ in-person classes are during the time of year when it's nice in the summertime. where

51:54 ↗ more people will get out and want to be outside. And then during the rest

51:58 ↗ of the year, it's predominantly online classes. The online version started during COVID and the

52:04 ↗ numbers just spiked just because it's so much easier for people to attend. So we've

52:08 ↗ continued doing those, but we still want to get people outside and be able to

52:12 ↗ meet with them in person and within the community. And then we also have a

52:18 ↗ monthly Cascade Gardener newsletter where we're providing gardening tips, promoting our

52:23 ↗ classes and teaching people how to garden using Water Wisely.

52:30 ↗ We have partnered with Tilth Alliance to develop the Soil and Water Stewardship Training Program.

52:35 ↗ That's a nine month program where we have a group of a cohort of

52:41 ↗ stewards who go through training. They meet twice a month,

52:48 ↗ usually on a Saturday and then Sunday. On Saturday they will learn all the new

52:53 ↗ techniques and then on that Sunday they'll go out in the community and work on

52:57 ↗ projects using their new skills. We also have a lot of online videos and resources

53:02 ↗ available for people on our website. We co-fund the garden

53:08 ↗ hotline, which is a regional hotline that people can either call in or submit any

53:13 ↗ gardening questions they have online and get answers to those.

53:19 ↗ We've partnered with King County Housing Authority and provided a lot of training to

53:25 ↗ their building managers and landscapers for buildings within our member service area.

53:36 ↗ Last year we launched a new program, it's called the Lawn Be Gone Grass Removal

53:40 ↗ Program. Grass yards utilize more water than anything

53:46 ↗ else. And so we are trying to encourage people to either remove or reduce the

53:51 ↗ size of their grass lawns. And we're doing that through a rebate program where

53:57 ↗ single family homeowners can receive up to a dollar, they can receive a dollar per

54:02 ↗ square foot up to 500 square feet. for removing

54:08 ↗ a portion of the grass lawn and replacing it with native or drop tolerant plants.

54:14 ↗ And for commercial businesses they can receive up to

54:20 ↗ a maximum of a thousand dollars to do the same thing. With this we create

54:24 ↗ an online guide on the right here. This is a photo of the cover of

54:28 ↗ that guide. It's an extensive basically instruction manual teaching people how to

54:34 ↗ remove their grass lawn and replace it with native or drought tolerant plants and gives

54:38 ↗ them lots of tips, lots of plants options to use. We also have

54:44 ↗ developed a number of videos, instructional videos to help them with that, as well as

54:48 ↗ additional resources we continue to develop and add to our website.

54:55 ↗ We also offer water efficient products in a couple of different ways. First is

55:02 ↗ through a rebate program. We partnered with PSE to offer rebates on

55:07 ↗ water efficient washing machines, faucets, and a number of other things.

55:14 ↗ And we also offer free water saving devices on our website.

55:20 ↗ Here's some photos of examples like water efficient shower heads, toilet leak detection dye tablets,

55:27 ↗ shower timers, and we've got a lot more on there as well.

55:33 ↗ We try and get out in the community as much as possible. We are sponsors

55:38 ↗ for the container showdown at the Northwest Flower and Garden Festival that happened a couple

55:42 ↗ of weeks ago and really try and share the message of

55:48 ↗ gardening using water efficiently. And we also get out

55:54 ↗ to each of our member service areas to at least one event each year.

56:01 ↗ And so in Issaquah we always attend the Issaquah Salmon Days. We've been

56:07 ↗ able to connect with a lot of people, which has been fantastic.

56:14 ↗ Finally, social media. We utilize that to really extend our reach.

56:20 ↗ We're on Facebook. You can look us up at We Need Water or on Instagram

56:25 ↗ at We Need H2O. And we put out regular content. share water

56:31 ↗ saving tips, promote our programs and events, and really use it as a way that

56:36 ↗ we can easily engage with the community when we have limited resources and aren't able

56:40 ↗ to be out in community all the time. So I know I mentioned our website

56:46 ↗ a bunch of times. If you would like to go check out, we have a

56:50 ↗ whole water efficiency section of our website, and our website is

56:55 ↗ cascadewater.org. We've got a ton of useful information on there. And with that, I'll

57:01 ↗ just open it up if anybody has any questions.

57:08 ↗ Question for you regarding your youth education programs.

57:14 ↗ Does your organization push material to the school districts or do they simply provide a

57:20 ↗ resource that the school districts can pull from? Yeah, so we have

57:26 ↗ educators that will go out into classrooms. So there's a number of ways we engage

57:31 ↗ with schools. That's the main one is we offer 500 programs a year where we

57:36 ↗ have educators going out into the schools and providing education. We also have things online

57:42 ↗ where teachers can go and they can, like we've got one school that

57:48 ↗ does lots every year. They're coming back to us asking for more supplies. They'll, send

57:54 ↗ their students out to their homes and perform water audits and then come back and

57:59 ↗ see what needs to be replaced. And then we will send them new shower heads,

58:05 ↗ new faucet aerators, different things like that so they can put in their home. And

58:10 ↗ they're actually calculating how much water is used by each of those. So

58:16 ↗ there's a number of ways we connect with schools. We're always doing outreach and trying

58:21 ↗ to get more schools involved. And if we do have the demand, we'll

58:26 ↗ definitely, like I said, we're doing 500 a year. If that demand goes up, we'll

58:31 ↗ work on getting that funding to increase the number of programs. Okay. Does that answer

58:36 ↗ your question? I just think it's very powerful if you can reach children early in

58:41 ↗ their lives and be consistent and provide continual education through

58:48 ↗ their development about the needs for PROTECTING OUR WATER

58:53 ↗ SOURCES. ALSO I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE CLUBS THAT ARE

59:01 ↗ I BELIEVE ISQUA HIGH SCHOOL HAS AN ECO CLUB THAT YOU COULD ENGAGE WITH BUT

59:06 ↗ THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS YOU CAN WORK WITH CHILDREN. I THINK IT'S JUST

59:12 ↗ VERY POWERFUL AND IMPORTANT. SO KEEP THAT UP. THANK YOU. YEAH, DEFINITELY.

59:18 ↗ I AGREE AND THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. I am a firm believer in that

59:22 ↗ as well. I think it's really important. We want to reach children. That's where you

59:27 ↗ can really change a lot of behavior. And so we put a lot of focus

59:32 ↗ into our school programs. And when we do go out to events in Issaquah, we

59:38 ↗ have flyers talking about our school programs that we hand out in case a teacher

59:42 ↗ doesn't know about it. We do work really hard to reach out to

59:48 ↗ all the teachers we can within our member service area, but we know that we're

59:53 ↗ not connecting with all of them. So we figure if we're out in the community,

59:57 ↗ if parents come by our booth, handing them that flyer and saying, hey, if your

1:00:03 ↗ kid's class isn't already participating in these programs, them this information. They can

1:00:09 ↗ sign up. It's totally free. We'll send someone in. They're great programs. Teachers really enjoy

1:00:14 ↗ them. They fit into the curriculum really well and follow all of

1:00:20 ↗ the state education standards. So, yeah, thank you. One more comment, James.

1:00:27 ↗ That plant behind you could use a little bit of water. No, that's

1:00:33 ↗ my job is to conserve water. So that's why I've got it. Yeah, that's a

1:00:36 ↗ very good job.

1:00:43 ↗ Yeah, what is your current forecast for when water would start flowing from the Lake

1:00:48 ↗ Taps reservoir to the east side? Yeah, so the

1:00:54 ↗ earliest we would need to start working on building

1:01:00 ↗ that out is in the 2060s to be able to receive water in the like

1:01:06 ↗ around 2080. I don't know the exact year, but it's somewhere around 2080.

1:01:12 ↗ Our current contracts with Seattle, the contract is a declining

1:01:18 ↗ block contract. So we'll continue to receive less and less and we'll be ramping up.

1:01:22 ↗ We'll start taking water from Tacoma in 2041 and that will just ramp up

1:01:28 ↗ and increase each year. And the pipeline that we are about to

1:01:34 ↗ embark on constructing, connecting our system to the Tacoma system

1:01:41 ↗ will take out a large chunk of what we're going to have to build to

1:01:47 ↗ connect to Lake Tapps. Okay, thank you. Yep, no problem.

1:01:54 ↗ Any other questions? Yeah, I'm just curious. Where does the water come from? Is it

1:02:00 ↗ Lake Young's and Cedar River? Yeah. Yeah. So currently

1:02:06 ↗ it is from two systems, the Cedar system and the TOLT,

1:02:13 ↗ the South Fork TOLT system. And so you mentioned Lake Young's, so how that works.

1:02:20 ↗ The Cedar River Watershed is a closed watershed. It's closed to public access.

1:02:26 ↗ And water is diverted at Landsberg, if you're

1:02:32 ↗ familiar with where Landsberg is. And then it goes into pipes at Landsberg,

1:02:38 ↗ gets chlorinated, and goes through a pipe to Lake Young's and gets discharged into Lake

1:02:43 ↗ Young's. And then when water is needed, it gets pulled back out of Lake Young's

1:02:47 ↗ and treated and then sent to Lake Young's. And then from the South Fork Tolt,

1:02:53 ↗ it goes up near the Duval area, where that water is diverted and treated and

1:02:59 ↗ sent into the system. So is Lake Young's just a holding pond then, or was

1:03:05 ↗ it a lake before it started piping water into it? Yeah, so

1:03:12 ↗ it was a smaller lake. It got... They increased the

1:03:18 ↗ size of it, Seattle, the city of Seattle did, when they discovered the need to

1:03:22 ↗ have water a little bit, kind of a storage facility closer in to the

1:03:28 ↗ system than trying to get it all the way from the cedar. And so

1:03:34 ↗ normally the water does, as I mentioned, go into Lake Young's. It's kind of, is

1:03:38 ↗ treated as a large reservoir or holding area before it's treated. There are times a

1:03:43 ↗ year in the springtime when they will have algae blooms and they'll sometimes actually bypass

1:03:48 ↗ Lake Young's and send the water directly into the treatment plant and into the system,

1:03:53 ↗ the distribution system. Interesting. I used to live in the neighborhood. One time

1:04:01 ↗ I slept. I went swimming.

1:04:06 ↗ There's a fence around the whole thing. Can't get in there. Well,

1:04:13 ↗ you can. Thank you. One last question for you, James. Do you know the

1:04:19 ↗ percentage of water that Cascade delivers to Issaquah versus what they pull out of wells?

1:04:26 ↗ I do not. off the top of my head i'm not sure if

1:04:31 ↗ anyone else here has the answer i think it does depend you know year to

1:04:36 ↗ year but i i i don't want to provide any information because i am not

1:04:41 ↗ sure no problem thank you

1:04:44 ↗ yeah yeah um i i can get you definitely the most accurate number but i

1:04:50 ↗ at one point it was i believe 60 is cwa uh 40 is groundwater um

1:04:57 ↗ But yeah, I'll definitely get back to the board with what that number is. Yeah,

1:05:02 ↗ thanks, Evan. Any other questions for James? No, thank you, James.

1:05:08 ↗ Appreciate your time. Thanks. Have a nice evening. Thanks, James. Thanks, Mike. Thanks,

1:05:14 ↗ Evan. The rest of our meeting is going to be

1:05:20 ↗ spent on a couple more ICAP action reviews. And then David's going to give us

1:05:25 ↗ an update on the metrics.

1:05:34 ↗ Great, we were originally planning to give you all breaks from the ICAP this meeting

1:05:38 ↗ and then the Transportation Improvement Program got pulled. It's going to be

1:05:44 ↗ delayed a couple of months and actually the timing worked out well because we have

1:05:49 ↗ a presentation to a council committee next week on the ICAP. So this was a

1:05:53 ↗ great opportunity. We wanted to take advantage of the time to run through. content that

1:05:58 ↗ we'll be talking about with the council committee and get some initial feedback from the

1:06:03 ↗ environmental board. So tonight I'll just go through another process update. There's

1:06:09 ↗ been a lot over the last few weeks and then we have I believe it's

1:06:13 ↗ six actions that we want to talk through with you all and get some initial

1:06:17 ↗ input prior to meeting with the council committee next week. Our question for you tonight

1:06:23 ↗ is any feedback on the additional actions and they are primarily transportation,

1:06:30 ↗ land use, and then buildings and energy.

1:06:33 ↗ All right, so as a process

1:06:39 ↗ update, so as you all know, we've been a

1:06:45 ↗ bit of a roadshow with other boards and commissions over the last several months. And

1:06:50 ↗ back in the fall, we proposed a number of ICAP action concepts, the Park

1:06:56 ↗ Board, Transportation Advisory Board, and the Planning Quality Commission. The Environmental Board

1:07:02 ↗ then reviewed the feedback that we received from those other boards and commissions. And then

1:07:08 ↗ over the last few months, we've been bringing you all section by section of the

1:07:11 ↗ plan. really honing in on various focus areas to dive in

1:07:17 ↗ deep to the targets and actions. In February, David and I met with the Council

1:07:23 ↗ Committee. It's the Planning, Development and Environment Committee, PDE Committee. It's made up of

1:07:29 ↗ three of our council members. They, at that meeting, they requested that we

1:07:35 ↗ return in March and that we bring policy concepts that are likely to have

1:07:41 ↗ the biggest impact on reducing greenhouse gas emissions, focused primarily on

1:07:47 ↗ transportation and buildings and energy. So following that direction that we received

1:07:52 ↗ from the committee, we went through a process where we reached out to our climate

1:07:58 ↗ network. We looked to other cities

1:08:04 ↗ and started to bring in those big ideas. We then took those

1:08:10 ↗ initial concepts for additional policies to the Transportation Advisory Board and

1:08:16 ↗ PPC the last week of February for their input. So based on

1:08:22 ↗ the input that we received from the Board and Commission, we've

1:08:28 ↗ revised our recommendation and what we're planning to bring the committee to recommendations

1:08:34 ↗ we feel are right-sized or Issaquah, and we'll be

1:08:39 ↗ presenting those on next Tuesday to the committee.

1:08:45 ↗ So just a little bit, this goes a bit to Nancy, the comment that you

1:08:50 ↗ brought up with Evan and Mike about wanting to see those initial concepts before

1:08:56 ↗ they're scrubbed. We were not going to present those to you all tonight with those

1:09:01 ↗ kind of big policy ideas where I'll talk just briefly about some of them. In

1:09:07 ↗ the meeting packet, the memo has the link to the PPC meeting

1:09:12 ↗ materials where those were presented, and I can send those out to the board. But

1:09:18 ↗ really what David and I did was look around. We knew Seattle, Denver,

1:09:24 ↗ Vancouver, Berkeley. Those are some of the cities that have really implemented some of these

1:09:29 ↗ big, ambitious policies. And so we pulled in some of those ideas. These were things

1:09:35 ↗ like going above and beyond the Washington state standards

1:09:41 ↗ for energy efficiency and commercial buildings. Saylor has a program known as BEPS, the Building

1:09:48 ↗ Energy Performance Standard. Emissions. Emissions, thank you, because they look at emissions.

1:09:54 ↗ So that was one example. Another was there are cities that have requirements when a

1:10:02 ↗ goes out that you have to meet a certain energy efficiency requirement for the equipment

1:10:07 ↗ that replaces it or a time of sale when you're selling your house you have

1:10:12 ↗ to meet certain energy efficiency requirements and most likely make some upgrades to your equipment

1:10:17 ↗ and appliances. Another one we looked at that we'll talk about here in a moment

1:10:23 ↗ was Redmond has passed a requirement for new multi-family buildings to have

1:10:30 ↗ percent of the parking stalls EV ready, meaning the conduit and electrical

1:10:36 ↗ capacity is there to install a charger. So those are the types of policies we

1:10:41 ↗ were looking at. And then through those discussions with TAB,

1:10:48 ↗ Commission, and then just kind of internal reflection on what we think

1:10:54 ↗ might work in Issaquah, those are the recommendations that we'll talk through with you all

1:10:59 ↗ that we're going to break next week. So I'll

1:11:05 ↗ walk through, there's four, I believe, transportation and land use recommendations. I'll

1:11:11 ↗ walk through each of those and then we can go back and talk through them

1:11:14 ↗ one by one. And then we'll do the same for buildings and energy, which we

1:11:18 ↗ have two recommendations. So the

1:11:24 ↗ first one that we're looking to bring to council is around removing parking

1:11:30 ↗ minimums. This would start with evaluating the feasibility of

1:11:37 ↗ what the impact would be, both in terms of the impact we think it would

1:11:42 ↗ have on reducing emissions from single occupancy vehicle use,

1:11:48 ↗ as well as impacts it might have on spillover parking where car doesn't

1:11:54 ↗ have a parking space at their place of residence, are they going to then be

1:11:58 ↗ parking a nearby business around the street? So there's a lot of analysis that needs

1:12:03 ↗ to go into this, but essentially what would be proposed here is to evaluate

1:12:10 ↗ the impact of removing parking minimums at new multifamily or retrofitted multifamily

1:12:16 ↗ buildings. Based on the input we heard from some of the other

1:12:21 ↗ boards and commissions. We wanted to look in particular at certain neighborhoods, but then

1:12:27 ↗ also consider the opportunity where staff on a project by project basis could make that

1:12:33 ↗ call if it's if it's the right the right call for that particular project.

1:12:39 ↗ I think we really think the market will drive the need for parking where if

1:12:45 ↗ a developer feels like they need parking to rent out the apartments, they will in

1:12:51 ↗ that parking, but for other projects, removing the parking. This might make them less expensive.

1:12:59 ↗ Does she go or? Let me go through the four and then we'll come back

1:13:02 ↗ one by one. And then the next one was

1:13:08 ↗ around multifamily charging. So I mentioned earlier Redmond has 100%

1:13:15 ↗ EV ready requirement for parking stalls and multifamily.

1:13:21 ↗ That while it is less expensive to put in the EV ready

1:13:28 ↗ parking stalls at the time of development is still an added cost for development. So

1:13:32 ↗ what we think may be feasible is a program that really focuses more on that

1:13:37 ↗ technical support and incentives to increase the amount of charging capability at

1:13:43 ↗ multifamily for vehicles and then also bringing in this need that we've

1:13:49 ↗ talked about for scooter or bike charging.

1:13:56 ↗ The third is really identifying ways to expand

1:14:02 ↗ EV fast charging across Issaquah, a focus particularly in the retail areas.

1:14:10 ↗ This is really to ensure that there is access for those that don't have charging

1:14:14 ↗ at their place of residence. One of the policies we had looked at in

1:14:20 ↗ Vancouver, which actually was passed and then they have pulled back on it and not

1:14:25 ↗ implemented it, was requiring gas stations to put in charging or else

1:14:31 ↗ those gas stations would be charged to higher business fee or business tax.

1:14:38 ↗ We don't think that's really right in Issaquah, but instead we really do want to

1:14:42 ↗ find other created pathways to expand charging access,

1:14:48 ↗ especially in areas of the city where folks may want to spend 20 or 40

1:14:52 ↗ minutes while charging their vehicle. And then the third one

1:14:58 ↗ in this area is really looking at how can we make

1:15:04 ↗ energy efficiency improvements, renewable energy easier to implement in the city. So that would be

1:15:10 ↗ taking a look at our code and helping remove barriers. So some

1:15:16 ↗ examples of this of what we've done already is certain neighborhoods where homes are built

1:15:22 ↗ pretty close together. We were having trouble putting in heat pumps because of setback

1:15:27 ↗ requirements. This leaves between the houses that were needed. And so the city's already made

1:15:33 ↗ some adjustments to the code to allow for them. We think there's other things that

1:15:38 ↗ we could probably look at in our code that would both make to make it

1:15:44 ↗ less expensive to make these improvements and just easier and really help fast track anyways

1:15:49 ↗ for homes and businesses. So those are

1:15:55 ↗ four potential actions in the transportation managers category. I will.

1:16:03 ↗ Back and welcome comments, feedback. Concerns

1:16:09 ↗ and what we'll do is take your feedback and verbally present parking committee next week.

1:16:16 ↗ Any other concern on this one? And he did say you're going to look at

1:16:18 ↗ how neighborhoods were zoned as it applies to this. So my concern on this one

1:16:24 ↗ is just getting rid of the minimum parking in neighborhood like Old Town where people

1:16:29 ↗ rely on street parking and all of a sudden you have all these parts from

1:16:33 ↗ all these buildings that don't have parking spaces. So

1:16:38 ↗ yeah, please do look at it as a zoning issue there. I think

1:16:44 ↗ it's a great idea for buildings that are close to transit centers and whatnot. I've

1:16:49 ↗ seen some cities have also developed where they have a centralized park box

1:16:55 ↗ for anybody to use the rest of the city. They'll put them like in the

1:17:00 ↗ middle of a block of multi-use buildings. I don't know how they develop that. Developers

1:17:06 ↗ probably under that as a joint agreement.

1:17:13 ↗ Okay.

1:17:19 ↗ Yeah, my concern you raised was brought up in public comment. We heard that several

1:17:23 ↗ public comments to the tab and PPC around those concerns.

1:17:33 ↗ Other thoughts, questions, concerns?

1:17:43 ↗ Sorry, did you say my name? Excellent, thanks. Just on that point you just made,

1:17:48 ↗ I guess I just, I don't know if this is the space for it, but

1:17:51 ↗ I realized the, I've noticed the transit center parking garage is often pretty empty.

1:17:58 ↗ And I wonder if, you know, any parking congestion issues raised by, you know, reducing

1:18:04 ↗ minimums or eliminating minimums could be alleviated a bit by better transit to and from

1:18:10 ↗ transit center and using that as a kind of a parking ride for for Old

1:18:14 ↗ Town or if you know better parking structure or closer parking structures could be planned

1:18:19 ↗ in the long term.

1:18:20 ↗ Great.

1:18:29 ↗ Thank you. I will say these are not the last time you'll see these

1:18:35 ↗ if council committee is comfortable with the concept or some variation, we'll be bringing these

1:18:39 ↗ back to you in March. Right. And then the next

1:18:45 ↗ one is that expanding multifamily charging primarily for vehicles, but

1:18:51 ↗ this could also apply for e-bikes, e-scooters. And this is

1:18:57 ↗ instead of having a requirement for going above state code, for the amount of charging

1:19:03 ↗ or EB ready spots. This would be focused on really that technical support,

1:19:09 ↗ identifying incentives or running a city program around incentives to encourage

1:19:15 ↗ multifamily to put in more charging.

1:19:22 ↗ No, all of these are very conceptual, so that could be It

1:19:28 ↗ could be a building incentive where they can build taller,

1:19:34 ↗ have some exemptions in our code. It could be a financial incentive. We would

1:19:40 ↗ evaluate those different options.

1:19:46 ↗ Good idea. Just another idea. I was in Capitol Hill this weekend

1:19:52 ↗ and noticed there were certain areas along the street in a built-up area that they

1:19:58 ↗ had established, they had some chargers mounted on poles and

1:20:05 ↗ two spots that were designated for charging vehicles. So it'll be

1:20:11 ↗ even in built up areas of Sequoia, you put some stalls.

1:20:19 ↗ Great. Yes, we were the first city to install pole chargers with PSE.

1:20:26 ↗ The problem is we don't have a lot of poles here, which is great. And

1:20:30 ↗ then a lot of them are, there's a sidewalk in between. So I think

1:20:36 ↗ PSE is starting to look at a new technology where there would be an arm

1:20:40 ↗ that could swing out. So that's definitely something I think we'd want to explore and

1:20:45 ↗ have more of that shared charging. That could be a great opportunity for as simple

1:20:49 ↗ as a pod too. So, yeah. Are they getting used?

1:20:55 ↗ So once by East Sunset Trailhead, not huge usage.

1:21:02 ↗ The city is putting in a crosswalk there at some point. There's a grant funding

1:21:06 ↗ that. And then there's interest in improving that trailhead. So I think

1:21:12 ↗ we would see higher usage there. And then PSE is right now evaluating a

1:21:18 ↗ site on the north side of the Senior Center would be another site. So that

1:21:21 ↗ would be closer to Front Street downtown. So that site will hopefully be moving forward.

1:21:34 ↗ Right, next one is looking at really incentive pathways to

1:21:40 ↗ expand EV charging. Right now, I think we have some language in the plan that

1:21:45 ↗ talks about exploring new partnerships, but this would be looking at avenues to really encourage

1:21:50 ↗ more charging here. That could be again, be a financial incentive,

1:21:56 ↗ it could be something changed in our code or making it easier. We

1:22:02 ↗ explore those different aspects. Yeah. How many pass chargers do we have now? I

1:22:08 ↗ know there's one at Target. Good question. Yeah, they're the ones, I believe there's three

1:22:14 ↗ active locations, so by Fred Meyer, by Starbucks at the Meadows and then at

1:22:20 ↗ Target. The ones by Chipotle are not active yet. Tesla's in the middle of it.

1:22:25 ↗ And those are going to be fast? Those will be fast if they become active.

1:22:30 ↗ There's an issue there. So yeah, three main locations, I

1:22:36 ↗ believe. Those are the fast chargers. There are not a lot of public level two

1:22:41 ↗ chargers. the one I target is Electrify America

1:22:48 ↗ and then the Tesla one will that you know if that will have the smart

1:22:53 ↗ plug so you can plug other vehicles besides Tesla I believe you can I think

1:22:59 ↗ the ones at Fred Meyer you can now too but I'm not looking

1:23:04 ↗ and so are you thinking about so this is something that

1:23:10 ↗ rather than the city being in charge of other companies would be coming in and

1:23:14 ↗ encouraging other companies to come in and do it. And why are we thinking that

1:23:19 ↗ we need more fast chargers? Yeah, I think the, so

1:23:25 ↗ TAV, I believe it was TAV or PPC asked if we could get data on

1:23:29 ↗ usage. I'm not sure since those are privately, I'm not sure they'll be willing to

1:23:34 ↗ share that, but we will reach out. I think we want to ensure that For

1:23:40 ↗ those that cannot charge at home, that they have easy access to charging throughout the

1:23:45 ↗ city as well as folks passing through. And particularly in front of

1:23:52 ↗ retail areas, it can be a great opportunity to bring people into shopping areas in

1:23:56 ↗ the city and charge while they're visiting businesses. As I recall, one of the first

1:24:02 ↗ things the Environmental Board did was create some

1:24:10 ↗ rules around having chargers, the percentage of chargers, like if the

1:24:16 ↗ parking lot was redone, we have to put a percentage of EV-ready chargers or EV

1:24:21 ↗ chargers. So would this go above and beyond that? Yeah, so actually the state is

1:24:26 ↗ now above and beyond with the environmental board pass, so we had to adopt the

1:24:30 ↗ state standards. So this would, it wouldn't, what we're proposing here is not necessarily a

1:24:35 ↗ requirement. It would be to incentivize additional charging in

1:24:40 ↗ place. Actually, I don't think there's any requirements around the

1:24:46 ↗ fast charging that I can recall. So I think it's all level two.

1:24:53 ↗ Okay, cool. Thanks. Well, kind of expanding on

1:24:59 ↗ that, I know it's the, as an EV

1:25:05 ↗ driver and I charge at home, doing a road trip, well the strategy

1:25:11 ↗ of where we stop to charge is driven by what's around it. You know,

1:25:17 ↗ okay yeah, I want a fast charger and I want it close to something that

1:25:21 ↗ I want to eat at and would that be nice if I could also do

1:25:24 ↗ some grocery shopping for you know snacks on the trip or whatever. So this is

1:25:30 ↗ a major factor in deciding where I charge and so some strategy can

1:25:36 ↗ be used there to actually Pull people into a retail

1:25:41 ↗ center around those amenities. A win-win

1:25:47 ↗ for all of us

1:25:49 ↗ involved.

1:25:57 ↗ This is something I've noticed. Kind of a bad thing. Maybe we... I

1:26:03 ↗ noticed that the charters near Target, people pull in there and they dump their car.

1:26:09 ↗ It's going to the ditch. So as we put

1:26:15 ↗ in these charging stations and people sitting there for 30, 40 minutes, it might be

1:26:20 ↗ good to have. Yeah. Sorry to say that.

1:26:26 ↗ I'm

1:26:33 ↗ sorry, Raj. So, Stacey, one question. So, and this might

1:26:39 ↗ be related to what Anne was asking. So, expanding electric vehicle, fast charger access,

1:26:45 ↗ where is the funding coming from? Is the city involved in, you know, any part

1:26:50 ↗ funding for this or is it going to increase the resident taxes or how is

1:26:55 ↗ it working? Yeah, good question. Again, it's conceptual, but I think what we

1:27:01 ↗ envisioned here was finding ways to encourage private

1:27:08 ↗ private companies that manage, build and manage and maintain EV fast chargers to

1:27:14 ↗ put those in. We do manage a few level two chargers. Fast chargers are a

1:27:19 ↗ whole other beast and David and I don't really want to manage any fast chargers.

1:27:27 ↗ So this would be really working with private companies or PSE does have some

1:27:33 ↗ programs, so there could be some utility relationships there. Or maybe there is a cost

1:27:39 ↗ share, but a private company is maintaining it. We will pursue, we do pursue

1:27:45 ↗ grants for charging and public charging. I think we're pretty hesitant to pursue a

1:27:50 ↗ fast charging grant unless we have a private partnership. So the new development of the

1:27:56 ↗ new buildings where it's proposed to have, you know, most of the parking spaces,

1:28:02 ↗ available with e-charging. So those are not first charges and that cost will

1:28:08 ↗ be covered by their HOA or the buildings, right? Yeah, that's a good question. How

1:28:14 ↗ multifamily or condo manages charging? It may vary case by

1:28:20 ↗ case. I don't know how that's done. I know some condos, they have kind of

1:28:24 ↗ a separate utility bill attached to the charger or shared across the HOA. So

1:28:30 ↗ it really is a case by case or you may pay as you charge or

1:28:35 ↗ in a multifamily, they may reserve that charging spot and have added costs. So it

1:28:41 ↗ would be up to the owner of the building or HOA. But yeah, these

1:28:47 ↗ where we were thinking were more in public places so they'd be publicly accessible is

1:28:52 ↗ where we want to make sure so that if a multifamily condo does not have

1:28:57 ↗ charging access, we want to make sure there is access to our community as well

1:29:02 ↗ as. And just one more point. I know we talked about it multiple

1:29:08 ↗ times and probably it doesn't fall necessarily in the scope of ICAP, but again, you

1:29:12 ↗ know, all these initiatives, especially EV and, you know,

1:29:18 ↗ especially EVs primarily, will require an exaggerated

1:29:24 ↗ electricity demand, right? So it kind of boils down to that. Do we really have

1:29:30 ↗ a stable electric grid and, you know, do we really have a stable electricity

1:29:35 ↗ plan to, you know, see five, 10 years down the lane? Because, you know, You

1:29:40 ↗ will be building this infrastructure and if the electric grid doesn't work, you know, or

1:29:45 ↗ it crashes one day because it cannot meet the demand, all of this is not

1:29:49 ↗ going to be used, right? And a lot of infrastructure effort and money is spent

1:29:55 ↗ on it. So I know it's not necessarily under the ICAM scope,

1:30:01 ↗ but that is a basic question we have to look into before putting effort into.

1:30:05 ↗ Yeah, and I think it is very much within the ICAP scope. We need to

1:30:10 ↗ have a good relationship with PSE. They need to understand where we are going with

1:30:17 ↗ promoting heat pumps and promoting electric vehicles and that transition off fossil fuels. So

1:30:24 ↗ it's something that Maripali was really involved in discussions with PSE and

1:30:30 ↗ building that relationship and understanding in their mallet as well. And so that will be

1:30:35 ↗ important is that reliability of the grid. And just one more comment on that. It

1:30:39 ↗ would be just a question for Issaquah, right? I mean, this is every city who

1:30:43 ↗ is trying to do it. So this is increasing everywhere. So I know Issaquah does

1:30:48 ↗ work with some sister cities or, you know, you have some, you share some data,

1:30:54 ↗ right? So that may be something you might want to look into and try to

1:30:59 ↗ build a network of cities who want to raise this and get some answers. Yeah,

1:31:05 ↗ absolutely. Yeah, Bellevue and Redmond are in the process of completing a grid capacity study.

1:31:10 ↗ So we're hoping to really learn from that. And then from there, also work with

1:31:15 ↗ PSD on how can we support and really promote their energy conservation programs, their

1:31:23 ↗ demand response programs and see where we can really partner on that energy conservation and

1:31:29 ↗ bigger liability. But yeah, we'll be looking to Bellevue and Redmond study. Yeah, that's cute.

1:31:36 ↗ Thank you. Yeah. So.

1:31:42 ↗ I think so. I'm wondering if like, are you thinking before? I know you're just

1:31:48 ↗ putting this in the ICAP. So is there something you can say about

1:31:56 ↗ checking out like not not putting a new one in until you notice that the

1:32:00 ↗ ones that you already have because I know there's a lot of new ones already

1:32:03 ↗ this one in QFC like I see them popping up a lot yeah that's really

1:32:08 ↗ cool um but before putting more in I'm just wondering if um

1:32:15 ↗ the ones that have been put in could be documented as being utilized yeah yeah

1:32:21 ↗ um so we don't over-infrastructure it

1:32:27 ↗ to project point. And I do think I love how

1:32:33 ↗ we're putting more and more in for the multifamily homes because to project point,

1:32:40 ↗ maybe we don't want to stress the grid out during peak times. And so if

1:32:45 ↗ it's someone's home, then they can take advantage of the

1:32:50 ↗ time-varying rates and plug it in it's less expensive and nobody else is using electricity

1:32:55 ↗ from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. Those are two

1:33:01 ↗ thoughts. And then so I did hear on the radio the other

1:33:07 ↗ day that here in there was a comment period about it too.

1:33:12 ↗ Here in Washington State our tech companies

1:33:20 ↗ are saying that they're going to the energy for their data centers.

1:33:26 ↗ So energy is increasing. It's like a huge boom right now. And in other

1:33:32 ↗ states, the cost is being passed along to the customer. But

1:33:38 ↗ here in Washington State, our tech companies are going to create their own power. So

1:33:42 ↗ it's not, hopefully not going to interfere with the grid

1:33:49 ↗ that we're dealing with as far as electric cars go. I think just one thing

1:33:55 ↗ to add to that, Anne, is I know Microsoft is trying to build a data

1:33:59 ↗ center. That's what I would in Issaquah or somewhere for

1:34:05 ↗ their energy for their own data center. That's what I would. But we all take

1:34:09 ↗ companies first of all. The big ones. I think it's probably the only big

1:34:15 ↗ ones will do that. And just to add to your point, I think it's more

1:34:20 ↗ of the public usage of EV and other things which will also increase the

1:34:25 ↗ demand. Yeah, again, the data center's demand is way higher than the other

1:34:31 ↗ usage, but yeah. Yeah, it's going to be, it's increasing a huge

1:34:37 ↗ percentage and that's going to stress the grid all around the

1:34:43 ↗ world more than EVs. Yeah. Thank you.

1:34:51 ↗ Okay, and then last one in the transportation land use is around reviewing city code

1:34:57 ↗ to see where those areas we could really streamline, reduce costs, make it

1:35:03 ↗ easier for homeowners, commercial buildings, multifamily, do energy efficiency improvements for

1:35:09 ↗ global energy. Again, we've done some of this, but we want to really take a

1:35:13 ↗ hard look at our

1:35:26 ↗ Let's see. So, can it be written in somehow? So, are you looking

1:35:32 ↗ for more potential actions or I guess I

1:35:38 ↗ could add to this one a little bit. So, I know you're really

1:35:44 ↗ well versed and you probably saw my email in heat pumps. So, I'm wondering if

1:35:50 ↗ we could into the ICAP somehow to focus on using and

1:35:56 ↗ promoting the city using the CO2 heat

1:36:02 ↗ pumps, which are increasing in popularity like crazy over the past year.

1:36:08 ↗ They're used a lot in Japan and Europe and we're really catching on here as

1:36:12 ↗ well. And the reason is, and they're more efficient, so over

1:36:18 ↗ time, well they're more expensive right now, over time they use less energy,

1:36:24 ↗ they're more efficient, so it would be less stress on the grid and people would

1:36:28 ↗ save money over time, including the city. Because right now they're mainly for like pools

1:36:33 ↗ and large structures, but also being used in residential to a smaller level.

1:36:39 ↗ So if we could focus on using those

1:36:45 ↗ more, that could be written into the ICAP, that would be great. And one of

1:36:50 ↗ the reasons main reason for it is it's not just efficiency but

1:36:56 ↗ the refrigerants the CO2 is equivalent to one because CO2

1:37:02 ↗ is what it's measured by but my heat pump

1:37:09 ↗ which was just replaced a couple years ago the refrigerant is CO2 equivalent to

1:37:15 ↗ almost 2000 to 2088 so if it It's supposed to be circular,

1:37:22 ↗ but if it leaks out, that is, which could happen. Ours actually did leak out.

1:37:28 ↗ It was installed improperly and it leaked out. That's why the old one broke. So,

1:37:33 ↗ but then also we could have natural disasters like earthquakes that

1:37:39 ↗ could make them leak out. But I did read that like,

1:37:45 ↗ CO2 equivalent for heat pumps is ranging now from 600 to 288. So it's going

1:37:51 ↗ down, but the one that's 600 is toxic. So

1:37:58 ↗ I would really love to see that written in. Yeah, I wasn't familiar with those,

1:38:03 ↗ so I'll reach out to our energy source, what you said. One thing, as you

1:38:09 ↗ were talking about, I was just thinking we could to broaden it more is maybe...

1:38:14 ↗ language around that the code isn't restricting kind of new technology or things like

1:38:20 ↗ that that might be even more energy efficient maybe there's yeah you have more um

1:38:25 ↗ efficient and

1:38:30 ↗ um greenhouse gas

1:38:37 ↗ friendly yeah that's great thank you yeah we'll look into yeah there was one more

1:38:42 ↗ thing i was thinking Wow, okay, yeah, so, and

1:38:48 ↗ David, you could address this maybe. So when we measure our emissions for

1:38:54 ↗ transit, it's passed through traffic and it's also, I know you're not going to

1:39:00 ↗ understand. That doesn't seem right. Is there any way we could

1:39:07 ↗ change the way it's measured so that we have more, we can have

1:39:13 ↗ more effect over what our emissions are in transit. So, you know, we could like

1:39:19 ↗ see how many, you know, how much people are driving in Issaquah, how many, what

1:39:23 ↗ percentage of people have used the transit, what percentage of people bicycle or

1:39:29 ↗ walk, and what percentage of people, you know, have electric vehicles.

1:39:35 ↗ Do you think that's a possibility? We can certainly look at what

1:39:42 ↗ that would do in our next greenhouse gas inventory, kind of trying to adjust how

1:39:47 ↗ we do our transportation emission calculations. One of the

1:39:52 ↗ reasons we do it the way it is, is so that it aligns regionally, right?

1:39:56 ↗ And so that we're using a similar methodology as our neighboring

1:40:02 ↗ cities and entities kind of on that geographic scale of all the emissions

1:40:08 ↗ captured within the city. But we can look at if there are other options

1:40:14 ↗ that we could explore for that. When it comes to looking at kind of the

1:40:18 ↗ distribution of different transit forms for commuting and other

1:40:24 ↗ purposes, we actually do track that in the Climate Action Plan and generally pull that

1:40:29 ↗ from the census. So that's a yearly number that we pull directly into

1:40:36 ↗ our ICAP dashboard. We mainly report on single occupancy vehicle use. within the census,

1:40:43 ↗ it does break down, you know, bicycle use, transit use, etc. as a percent of

1:40:49 ↗ transit of commuting in a city. So you're sort of

1:40:55 ↗ doing it, but. We're still getting charged, right? Maybe

1:41:01 ↗ we are still calculating those emissions as part of the city of Issaquah,

1:41:07 ↗ and I think part of the challenge of lot of these greenhouse gas inventories is

1:41:12 ↗ really figuring out where where is the appropriate place to draw the line on what

1:41:16 ↗ emissions we should be counting versus shouldn't be counting and whose responsibility is is those

1:41:22 ↗ emissions right and so. The way

1:41:29 ↗ the current best practices are at least for transit emissions is based on kind of

1:41:33 ↗ the geographic assumption which. There are some

1:41:38 ↗ emissions we calculate that don't occur within the city, such as where our energy is

1:41:44 ↗ generated from, for instance, or composting happening at Cedar

1:41:50 ↗ Grove or something like that. But it is definitely a

1:41:56 ↗ tricky topic, thinking about whose responsibility are these emissions and where to draw the lines

1:42:01 ↗ on how we're calculated.

1:42:10 ↗ 15 minutes. So, in just a time, I'm going to move on to buildings and

1:42:13 ↗ energy. Here we have two

1:42:19 ↗ additions to what we've already shared with you that came out of the conversations.

1:42:25 ↗ So, the fifth action, I mentioned the FEP program, the Building Emission Performance

1:42:31 ↗ Standard that the City of Seattle has. This goes above and beyond a state building

1:42:37 ↗ performance standard. What we're proposing is not to go above and beyond that state standard,

1:42:42 ↗ but instead to fill in the gap. So right now at the state level, only

1:42:47 ↗ buildings that are 20,000 square feet above have an energy efficiency

1:42:53 ↗ reporting requirement or standard in place. This program that we would look into the

1:42:59 ↗ feasibility would cover those buildings under 20,000 that are not covered by a

1:43:05 ↗ state program. We didn't set a lower threshold here, but possibly

1:43:11 ↗ something like 5,000 to 20,000, not including individual residential homes.

1:43:18 ↗ So this would be a firm where we would ask voluntarily to report benchmark care

1:43:23 ↗ to promote their energy use. And then what we would do as in

1:43:29 ↗ response would provide some technical support, provide individualized access to

1:43:34 ↗ incentives, connect them with PSE programs, etc. Again, very conceptual, but the

1:43:41 ↗ idea is kind of filling that gap for buildings that are not covered by the

1:43:46 ↗ state. Great idea.

1:43:51 ↗ It's a good placeholder is the state of the United States standards.

1:44:04 ↗ And then the last one was so mentioned earlier, we had looked at

1:44:09 ↗ programs that either have a time of replacement requirement. So if your furnace goes out,

1:44:15 ↗ you're required to put in a heat pump or equipment that meets an energy efficiency

1:44:19 ↗ standard, or there are other communities that have a time of

1:44:24 ↗ sale requirement. So when selling your house, you have to meet certain energy efficiency requirements

1:44:29 ↗ or cover the cost or receive a rebate to replace equipment.

1:44:37 ↗ Those programs are very expensive. They add a lot of costs to

1:44:42 ↗ homeowners. They take a lot of capacity to run. So we didn't

1:44:48 ↗ necessarily feel like they were right size for our community to run as a single

1:44:52 ↗ community. But instead, We were trying to think of ways that we can really reach

1:44:58 ↗ beyond our current heat pump program, Energy Smart Eastside, and work

1:45:04 ↗ with the contractors that we are not currently educating to

1:45:10 ↗ encourage them to do a lot more heat pump promotion and provide a heat pump

1:45:15 ↗ flow along with a furnace, but do more of a voluntary outreach program.

1:45:21 ↗ The other piece here is There are some restrictions on use of

1:45:27 ↗ public funding for non-income qualified

1:45:34 ↗ community members. We're interested in exploring if there are opportunities to provide

1:45:40 ↗ rebates, incentives for non-income qualified households in order to help

1:45:46 ↗ even out the cost of equipment replacement for a higher energy efficiency equipment and or

1:45:54 ↗ for instance, a heat pump, but this could apply to a stove or hot water

1:45:58 ↗ heater, etc. So just looking at those opportunities where we could really help

1:46:05 ↗ fill in the cost difference. So possible

1:46:11 ↗ outreach and incentive expansion as well.

1:46:18 ↗ It seems like it would pair really well with like harvest and the

1:46:24 ↗ CO2. Those

1:46:30 ↗ prices are probably all going to be coming down now that they're getting really popular.

1:46:32 ↗ Okay.

1:46:41 ↗ Well, that, those are the six actions we are looking at talking, we are planning

1:46:46 ↗ to talk to the council committee next week. Again, they're not

1:46:53 ↗ I'm trying to walk a fine line. They're not those big, impactful, directly reducing greenhouse

1:46:59 ↗ gas emission actions, but in really looking at what some of those other communities are

1:47:04 ↗ doing, we just aren't sure that they're right in Issaquah. We do feel like while

1:47:10 ↗ these may be more of an indirect approach, they have many other

1:47:15 ↗ benefits in terms of improving quality of life,

1:47:22 ↗ keeping things affordable, really looking at working in partnership

1:47:27 ↗ with a lot of our business community instead of imposing additional regulations. So

1:47:34 ↗ we'll have that discussion with the council committee. They may ask us to go back

1:47:38 ↗ to the drawing board or they may say that these look okay. So we

1:47:44 ↗ will report out after that meeting next Tuesday.

1:47:52 ↗ Thank you for the great feedback tonight. Do we have a

1:47:58 ↗ chance to comment on the tree canopy again? Yes. Yes, I will. I'll cover

1:48:04 ↗ that real quick right now before we do other updates from this discussion.

1:48:10 ↗ So we will on March. Our plan right now is March 25th. We have a

1:48:16 ↗ special meeting and what we are planning to bring to you all are

1:48:22 ↗ of the targets and actions that we are proposing in the ICAP based on

1:48:28 ↗ nine months of feedback. We will share all of that with you

1:48:34 ↗ and then what David and I are planning to do is walk through some of

1:48:38 ↗ those major targets that are recommended making revisions. So tree canopy

1:48:43 ↗ resilience and then talk about municipal target. And then similarly with the actions, we

1:48:49 ↗ present the full list of actions to you. I think David counted. There's probably over

1:48:55 ↗ 70 with these now. But then we would just probably bring for discussion 10

1:49:01 ↗ or so that we felt were the biggest change, the biggest impact, and then leave

1:49:07 ↗ it to the board to flag other actions that they would like to discuss during

1:49:12 ↗ that meeting. So that's the plan for the 25th. You'll see kind of the whole

1:49:16 ↗ agenda. I

1:49:22 ↗ believe so. I'll double check. It is also in a different room. So we'll send

1:49:27 ↗ out a lot of details and on that. It's at the steelhead room, which is

1:49:31 ↗ kind of in between the community center and the. But we'll send if you know

1:49:37 ↗ where the garage is, the team cafe, it's connected to that building.

1:49:43 ↗ But that's that's the plan really take. we've been presenting to you all. We've been

1:49:47 ↗ working through TAB and Park Board and PPC and then this meeting with the consult

1:49:52 ↗ committee next week and then you'll get to see what's coming out of the WAP

1:49:58 ↗ show with that. Get a first touch. So unfortunately,

1:50:05 ↗ hopefully we'll get home in time from Bakes Lake, but I know it's a long

1:50:10 ↗ drive so I'll be rooting for that.

1:50:23 ↗ Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, thank

1:50:29 ↗ you. Yes, and I'll I'll keep it quick today. Next

1:50:35 ↗ meeting I'll provide a little bit more detail on kind of what came out of

1:50:41 ↗ the metrics committee that both Praj and Sridhar was a participant on.

1:50:48 ↗ But really the over the last couple months we had a small committee of city

1:50:53 ↗ staff and community members meet to discuss some of the bigger questions we had around

1:50:59 ↗ how do we deal with metrics and measurement of the action plan. Cities,

1:51:05 ↗ counties around the region, around the country handle it differently and when

1:51:11 ↗ Stacey and I have been working with the current I cap. There were definitely some

1:51:15 ↗ questions and things that we weren't sure how to deal with. So

1:51:21 ↗ in summary of of kind of what came out of that discussion, the committee

1:51:26 ↗ members wanted to make sure that as we think about the next the I

1:51:32 ↗ cap update we were. We've elevated and we made clear the connection

1:51:38 ↗ between the different metrics, so how different metrics discussed in the climate

1:51:44 ↗ action plan actually are all connected and work up to our ultimate goal of greenhouse

1:51:49 ↗ gas reduction. Additionally, recognizing that this is a longer plan and things change,

1:51:55 ↗ new technology comes up, our understanding of data changes. trying to

1:52:01 ↗ ensure that we are articulating that there is going to be flexibility and can be

1:52:05 ↗ flexibility in how we're measuring the climate action plan and actions and targets and things

1:52:11 ↗ like that to accommodate changes that are likely to occur over the next

1:52:16 ↗ five to ten years. The main recommendations that will be

1:52:22 ↗ reflected hopefully in the material that comes too late in March are to

1:52:29 ↗ consider elevating the current overarching climate action plan target

1:52:35 ↗ to a plan level target. So right now, the greenhouse gas reduction target sits within

1:52:40 ↗ overarching climate action, elevating it to be a target for the entire plan so that

1:52:45 ↗ we can better connect all of the focus area targets up to that. That would

1:52:51 ↗ be alongside more of a qualitative assessment of climate resilience and

1:52:57 ↗ thinking about how we are trying to ensure that we are adapting to climate change

1:53:03 ↗ as well. The committee recommended that we can

1:53:09 ↗ and should use both quantitative, so number based metrics as well as

1:53:15 ↗ qualitative metrics for the measurement of actions. Stacy mentioned I did count. We have over

1:53:19 ↗ 71 actions in the climate action plan, and so instead of trying to associate a

1:53:25 ↗ number with every single one of those actions that we are then reporting out on

1:53:30 ↗ to identify a set of high. I haven't figured

1:53:36 ↗ out the correct name, but high priority action metrics that we would be measuring.

1:53:41 ↗ And then for many of the other metrics using more of a qualitative assessment on

1:53:46 ↗ whether or not we are implementing those actions. For high priority metrics,

1:53:51 ↗ those would be kind of those metrics and actions that we

1:53:58 ↗ can more easily measure and that the city has more control over. So making sure

1:54:03 ↗ that we're focusing in on measurement of where we out the levers of change

1:54:09 ↗ for improving climate action here at the city. So the city, so we're

1:54:15 ↗ looking through the climate action plan to identify kind of what some of those high

1:54:19 ↗ priority metrics might be. And then the final piece here is making sure that we're

1:54:25 ↗ publicly reporting out on our plan level target on greenhouse gas

1:54:31 ↗ reductions, our focus area targets, which are VMT reductions, tree canopy,

1:54:37 ↗ things like that. And then any high priority metrics we establish. But then

1:54:43 ↗ most other measurements reporting internally on city work plans as

1:54:49 ↗ we are developing those on a biennial basis. And so making sure that we're

1:54:55 ↗ not overloading our public communication of our metrics and really trying to focus that in

1:55:00 ↗ on those metrics most associated with our our plan level targets.

1:55:07 ↗ That's kind of where we sat. Prod, did I miss anything? No, I'm impressed. You

1:55:13 ↗ actually it almost seems like you memorized the slide and you got all of it.

1:55:18 ↗ So that's great. That's great. That's that's good to hear. So

1:55:24 ↗ yes, that's where we're at. My hope is that when we talk about this again

1:55:28 ↗ later in March, I'll get to show you a little bit more of what this

1:55:32 ↗ could look like and mean instead of just speak on it. The final thing I'll

1:55:37 ↗ mention is we did talk about public reporting of metrics and kind of how we

1:55:42 ↗ could update the dashboard to continue our improvement on how we're

1:55:49 ↗ publicly reporting on that. And so the metrics committee gave me some great ideas how

1:55:52 ↗ we could sure that the next iteration of the dashboard is updated and relevant and

1:55:58 ↗ useful and as straightforward as we can

1:56:04 ↗ make it. Any questions on the metrics committee, initial

1:56:10 ↗ comments on the metrics committee recommendations?

1:56:22 ↗ Very quick update. Well, actually two volunteer opportunities and David will do a project update.

1:56:28 ↗ One, we're still looking for a representative to work on a committee for the Shifshawa

1:56:33 ↗ and Art Project. If you are interested, please let me know by tomorrow. Otherwise,

1:56:39 ↗ I may reach out to a new youth rep that we'll have on the board

1:56:45 ↗ to see if they might be interested. And this, again, is a reminder is working

1:56:48 ↗ with Sister Cities and the art board to develop a process to

1:56:54 ↗ recruit youth art for a new change will shift showing. So, Leticia, what's the time

1:56:59 ↗ coming bring for that and what's the budget? It would be probably first

1:57:05 ↗ meeting in March and then probably about three to five

1:57:11 ↗ meetings between now and October and then possibly helping run

1:57:16 ↗ like an in-person opportunity for students to come in and create art this summer and

1:57:22 ↗ then some kind of showcase and exchange in the fall. So when

1:57:28 ↗ between March to October, which period is going to be more world commitment required?

1:57:34 ↗ When is that in the student? Yeah, I think it'll be spread. So a lot

1:57:38 ↗ of the planning now, possibly helping host an in-person event this summer and then

1:57:46 ↗ an event. Maybe I don't, the group will decide if they want to judge the

1:57:50 ↗ art or just have all art displayed, but that would happen. And so the the

1:57:55 ↗ one table work with the art committee and the sister cities commission and staff will

1:58:00 ↗ be supporting also. Anybody from environmental staffing or?

1:58:06 ↗ Yes, I'll be helping as well as the art for liaison and sister cities commission

1:58:10 ↗ liaison. Happy to touch on the Arts Commission is going to be available.

1:58:16 ↗ Correct. Yeah, yeah. I said board. Yeah, Arts Commission. Sorry.

1:58:23 ↗ And then the other, so if you're interested, feel free to reach out with questions.

1:58:27 ↗ They're definitely looking for someone soon so we can schedule that first meeting. The second

1:58:32 ↗ opportunity is sustainability fair is April 25th. We had a really fantastic environmental board

1:58:38 ↗ booth there to showcase to the community what the board does. wondering if the board

1:58:43 ↗ was interested in hosting another booth. We have, I think I still have the

1:58:48 ↗ trifold so we could kind of use what we did last year. We would need

1:58:54 ↗ board members to sign up for shifts or, and, or if they, and if they

1:58:59 ↗ want kind of create any new materials, but we have at least the materials from

1:59:04 ↗ last year. Well, I have to say you made it really easy on us.

1:59:15 ↗ I'd be happy to help out day up for sure.

1:59:22 ↗ Okay. I'll get back to you. I have some travel plans, so I'm not sure,

1:59:26 ↗ but I'll get back to you. Seems like at least a couple folks might, it's

1:59:32 ↗ probably a booth that could be on its own for a little while if we

1:59:35 ↗ need or David and I can float in or out. We'll put a volunteer there,

1:59:38 ↗ but it seems at least like a couple folks might be able to join. And

1:59:43 ↗ it's our birthday. Yeah. Great. And then David has a quick project

1:59:49 ↗ update. Yes. So we are working We're working on the installation of the

1:59:55 ↗ Pickering Bart solar project. It was actually supposed to get started on Monday. Our solar

2:00:00 ↗ installer is coming from Ellensburg, so has not yet made it over the past this

2:00:05 ↗ week, given the blizzard. We are hoping they can get a truck of

2:00:11 ↗ of some materials over tomorrow. We will see. But the good news is that this

2:00:16 ↗ project has fully made it through permitting. We are. ready to begin the

2:00:22 ↗ installation as soon as the pass clears up and that installation team can make it

2:00:27 ↗ over. So if this week does not happen, it will begin

2:00:34 ↗ next week on Monday. So if you drive by Pickering Barn, you might see folks

2:00:38 ↗ working out there on the roof installing that solar system. Hopefully we'll have a little

2:00:44 ↗ sign out front, but make sure to check that out either. next week or at

2:00:49 ↗ the sustainability fair. We're really excited about it. This is our first solar installation that

2:00:55 ↗ the city has done since the building of Fire Station 72 in 2011,

2:01:02 ↗ I think. So it's been a long time and it's been a long time coming,

2:01:06 ↗ but the project is ongoing or starting as soon as snow

2:01:12 ↗ makes the pass accessible. assuming it's completed next week, we are planning to do a

2:01:18 ↗ ribbon cutting on April 7th. So we'll send out, once things are underway and we

2:01:23 ↗ aren't anticipating delays, we'll send out an invite. It'll be at 2 o'clock on April

2:01:28 ↗ 7th. It's a Tuesday, so during the middle of the day, but if folks are

2:01:32 ↗ free, we would love to have an invite there. So we'll send out an invite

2:01:36 ↗ for that probably late next week. It would be cool if you could somehow incorporate

2:01:41 ↗ in your design some sort of metric. that show how much energy is being

2:01:47 ↗ generated on the wall, like a little ammeter or something that show how

2:01:53 ↗ much power. Yeah, we are discussing a metric on kilowatts of

2:01:59 ↗ solar installed on city facilities, and we have talked about the solar kiosks.

2:02:04 ↗ Yeah, so that is something we're considering through some solar projects, can we incorporate that

2:02:10 ↗ into there? And it's something that we're thinking about for the Senior Center Solar and

2:02:14 ↗ Battery Storage Project, which has both the fund data, how much solar is being generated

2:02:19 ↗ there, as well as what the capacity of the battery is, kind of what it

2:02:23 ↗ can really do for the facility at any given time. So a lot of cool

2:02:27 ↗ potential for community engagement around this data. And will this be

2:02:33 ↗ community solar because mostly building or

2:02:38 ↗ will it just go back to PSE grid? Both of these projects will be used

2:02:44 ↗ for the Pickering and then the Senior Center project. All of the energy generated will

2:02:50 ↗ go towards the facility. So it will net meter. So at times when it's generating

2:02:56 ↗ electricity and the facility isn't using that much, it will be sold to the grid

2:03:00 ↗ and then essentially we'll get the credit for that. But the Pickering project is designed

2:03:05 ↗ to meet the the vast majority of solar of electric demand at the facility.

2:03:11 ↗ Awesome. Yeah. Does it use much electricity?

2:03:17 ↗ It uses a fair amount. Off the top of my head, I don't

2:03:23 ↗ know how much electricity uses, but. The

2:03:29 ↗ system is around a 63 kilowatt solar system generating

2:03:36 ↗ the range of 63,000 kilowatt hours.

2:03:57 ↗ Great. How exciting. Very exciting. Thank you.

2:04:03 ↗ Thanks. Thank you.

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