Environmental Board · Tuesday, September 21, 2021 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Board Membership

packet pp.3

Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Jul 22, 2021

Open packet at p.3 ↗

Staff report:

ENVIRONMENTAL BOARD Staff Liaison Megan Curtis-Murphy, Senior About Sustainability Coordinator Created in 2020, the objective of the Email Environmental Board is to protect, preserve and enhance the natural environment and take Regular Members action on climate change to reduce its impacts 2022 - Dani Madan* by advising the Mayor, City Council and City 2022 - Don McQuilliams departments on the City’s plans, policies, 2023 - Rishi Hazra* regulations and programs related to 2023 - Cameron Fisher environmental stewardship. 2023 - Lara Lebeiko 2024 - Nancy Davidson 2024 - Dan Hintz Membership 2024 - Anne Newcomb The Environmental Board is comprised of nine 2025 - Jamie Finch regular members, and up to three alternates. All members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Alternate Members Terms expire April 30 of the year listed. For 2022 - Tom Anderson…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of Aug. 26, 2021

packet pp.5–11

Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Jul 22, 2021

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 08-26-21 Planning Policy Commission/EB Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Planning Policy Commission and Environmental Board JOINT MEETING 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting August 26, 2021 MINUTES

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Climate Action Plan

Discussion · 75 min · Megan Curtis-Murphy, Senior Sustainability Coordinator Angela Pietschmann, Cascadia Consulting Addie Bash, Cascadia Consulting · packet pp.13–72

Topics: Climate

▶ Watch from 2:32:52 Open packet at p.13 ↗

Solid Waste Hauling and Processing Contract, (D)

60 min · Gary Schimek, Utilities Engineering Division Manager Jeff Brown, Epicenter Consulting · packet pp.73–97

▶ Watch from 2:32:53 Open packet at p.73 ↗

Staff report:

Description of the existing contract – length, services, and level of service

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0:00 ↗ oh yes

0:03 ↗ i do oh and there right now i can see

0:05 ↗ you we have a couple members out

0:07 ↗ so janet and tom you'll both be serving

0:10 ↗ as regular members this evening

0:16 ↗ hi megan can you hear me yes i can

0:19 ↗ hopping over from your other meeting

0:21 ↗ busy night for you

0:23 ↗ another city meeting for jamie

0:27 ↗ uh let's see it's almost 6 30 let's see

0:30 ↗ if we're waiting for anyone here

0:33 ↗ um

0:37 ↗ i think that is everyone so dawn cameron

0:41 ↗ and nancy are all um

0:44 ↗ not able to join us this evening and

0:45 ↗ angela do you want to go ahead and check

0:46 ↗ your audio quick before we get started

0:51 ↗ i cannot hear you i cannot hear you

0:54 ↗ i won't now yeah i can okay thank you

0:58 ↗ all right

0:59 ↗ um so jamie you can go ahead and get

1:01 ↗ started whenever

1:05 ↗ hello everyone uh welcome to the virtual

1:08 ↗ format of today's meeting i'd like to

1:10 ↗ start by providing some guidelines we

1:12 ↗ have participants attending by computer

1:13 ↗ and others who may be attending by phone

1:16 ↗ for all meeting attendees please speak

1:18 ↗ clearly and pause frequently state your

1:20 ↗ name each time before speaking use your

1:22 ↗ microphone when not speaking if having

1:24 ↗ technical issues try joining the meeting

1:27 ↗ using a different device smartphone or

1:28 ↗ tablet or use the call and information

1:31 ↗ in the meeting invite to call into the

1:33 ↗ meeting

1:35 ↗ i believe we have a couple of absences

1:37 ↗ that megan mentioned one i know is nancy

1:39 ↗ and just looking through

1:40 ↗ who's our other absence megan

1:44 ↗ um cameron fisher

1:46 ↗ and don mcwilliams and nancy davidson

1:48 ↗ all have excuse absences this evening

1:50 ↗ okay and then can you help us

1:52 ↗ just go through that

1:54 ↗ real call though

1:56 ↗ yes um so when i call it your name

1:58 ↗ please just indicate you're here tom

2:00 ↗ anderson

2:01 ↗ here

2:02 ↗ surya bola pragata

2:05 ↗ here

2:06 ↗ jamie finch here

2:09 ↗ rishi hazra

2:10 ↗ here

2:12 ↗ dan hintz

2:14 ↗ here

2:16 ↗ laura labiko

2:18 ↗ here

2:19 ↗ danny madden

2:22 ↗ and newcomb

2:24 ↗ here

2:25 ↗ and janet wahl

2:27 ↗ here

2:30 ↗ so we will be having um janet wall and

2:33 ↗ tom anderson serving as regular members

2:35 ↗ this evening

2:39 ↗ all right thank you megan and i think um

2:41 ↗ our first order of business is

2:43 ↗ approving the minutes from the previous

2:45 ↗ meeting

2:47 ↗ did anyone have any comments that they

2:49 ↗ wanted to

2:50 ↗ bring forth it looks like rishi you have

2:52 ↗ a comment

2:54 ↗ yeah i was wondering why um

2:57 ↗ my name doesn't have excused besides it

2:59 ↗ in the minutes

3:05 ↗ that might just be an oversight on my

3:07 ↗ behalf i do remember you mentioned you

3:09 ↗ would not uh be able to attend so we

3:10 ↗ will fix that for the next round thanks

3:13 ↗ for pointing that out

3:18 ↗ any other comments

3:22 ↗ hearing none we'll uh prove the minutes

3:24 ↗ with that one edition of rishi having an

3:27 ↗ excused absence

3:28 ↗ um next i believe we have public

3:30 ↗ comments

3:32 ↗ public comments are an important part of

3:33 ↗ the public process we take them

3:35 ↗ seriously and factor them into the

3:36 ↗ decisions we make or the members of the

3:38 ↗ public joining us welcome if there is

3:41 ↗ anyone in the meeting now that would

3:42 ↗ like to make public comment please raise

3:44 ↗ your virtual hand

3:45 ↗ to do this if you are on the phone press

3:47 ↗ star 3 if you have joined by computer

3:49 ↗ smartphone look for the hand icon

3:52 ↗ this varies by device

3:54 ↗ um

3:56 ↗ megan once we have identified those

3:58 ↗ people will

4:01 ↗ bring you up to a panelist so that you

4:03 ↗ can be in a video if you are joining us

4:05 ↗ by your smartphone

4:06 ↗ um and then

4:08 ↗ now i don't know megan do you have

4:10 ↗ anyone that

4:11 ↗ like to make a comment

4:13 ↗ yes we had a couple of people signed up

4:15 ↗ and other people joining us so we'll

4:17 ↗ just go ahead and go through the list

4:19 ↗ so the first person we have is christy

4:21 ↗ triple so i will go ahead and make you a

4:24 ↗ panelist now

4:26 ↗ and just before christy you

4:29 ↗ you uh you start speaking just wanted to

4:31 ↗ give a little bit of guidance um

4:34 ↗ obviously please on your microphone once

4:36 ↗ you do join um state your name

4:39 ↗ relationship to the city

4:41 ↗ um speak clearly and pause frequently

4:43 ↗ and please limit comments to five

4:45 ↗ minutes um and once you're done please

4:47 ↗ do your microphone

4:51 ↗ great thanks christy you should be able

4:52 ↗ to join us now

4:54 ↗ hi everyone thank you for having me

4:57 ↗ i'm christy triple i work for rally

4:59 ↗ properties and i live here in issaquah

5:03 ↗ address 1595 northwest gilman boulevard

5:06 ↗ suite one

5:08 ↗ tonight i'm speaking on behalf of rally

5:10 ↗ properties we sent written comment

5:13 ↗ earlier today but to build further on

5:16 ↗ that i wanted to sign on this evening

5:18 ↗ for a quick verbal as well

5:20 ↗ i recognize public comment is not a

5:21 ↗ question and answer time but i wanted to

5:24 ↗ ask how many of you have built a lead

5:26 ↗ platinum building a gold or otherwise

5:30 ↗ could i see a raise of hands

5:35 ↗ so thank you well

5:37 ↗ um what i wanted to share is without

5:39 ↗ lived experience or boots on the ground

5:41 ↗ how do you know when you're asking

5:43 ↗ specifically requiring lee platinum

5:45 ↗ certification as part of a policy

5:48 ↗ if you have had the experience do you

5:50 ↗ know what trade-offs are needed to be

5:52 ↗ made on projects

5:54 ↗ the cost to certify with u.s building

5:56 ↗ green council is expensive

5:59 ↗ significantly beyond just the review of

6:01 ↗ fees it's important to know how a

6:03 ↗ building gets built and lessons learned

6:05 ↗ from a process

6:07 ↗ why lead platinum the cost is a cost

6:09 ↗ premium program why not other

6:12 ↗ sustainable measures or options to

6:13 ↗ consider

6:15 ↗ it's not that hard to build leed gold

6:17 ↗ what is hard are the technologies or the

6:20 ↗ equipment that can be required as a

6:22 ↗ result we learned that firsthand with

6:24 ↗ our lead gold building

6:26 ↗ the first in this cloud on the valley

6:27 ↗ floor

6:28 ↗ it drives up costs and often that

6:31 ↗ equipment or technology needs to be

6:33 ↗ replaced a lot sooner

6:35 ↗ than with other options

6:38 ↗ there are things through the process

6:39 ↗ that we have little control over with

6:42 ↗ the leed certification so what other

6:44 ↗ proven alternatives might exist beyond

6:47 ↗ lead

6:48 ↗ what lead platinum buildings exist there

6:51 ↗ is farther than the bullet center there

6:53 ↗ are only five here on the east side and

6:54 ↗ 10 in seattle seems there might be some

6:56 ↗ other options to explore to help achieve

6:59 ↗ this aqua's goals other than just leed

7:02 ↗ certification

7:04 ↗ developers and property owners will

7:06 ↗ spend dollars where it saves for the

7:08 ↗ long run and that just makes good

7:10 ↗ business sense we agree better buildings

7:13 ↗ mean better lives some of the more

7:15 ↗ radical things no

7:17 ↗ for example cross laminated timber and

7:19 ↗ operable windows those just make sense

7:22 ↗ as do resource efficient high performing

7:24 ↗ building features

7:26 ↗ what other methodologies might make

7:28 ↗ sense for issaquah

7:30 ↗ and redevelopment it makes things better

7:33 ↗ and at the same time can aid with the

7:35 ↗ greenhouse gas reduction in the long

7:37 ↗ term on so many fronts

7:39 ↗ help encourage incentified developers

7:42 ↗ and the city to think through

7:43 ↗ sustainability and to look at options

7:46 ↗ that's hard to quantify but with options

7:48 ↗ it'll help receive achieve the goals

7:51 ↗ and in the interim help educate the

7:54 ↗ consumers

7:56 ↗ thank you again for the opportunity to

7:58 ↗ comment tonight and for your work

8:05 ↗ great thank you i will go ahead and

8:06 ↗ bring the next person up and fletcher in

8:09 ↗ just a moment

8:16 ↗ and if anyone else would like to provide

8:18 ↗ public comment this evening you can go

8:19 ↗ ahead and raise your hand if you don't

8:22 ↗ see the hand raising you can go ahead

8:25 ↗ and send a chat and i will see you that

8:26 ↗ way as well

8:29 ↗ all right and you should be able to

8:30 ↗ unmute and turn on your video if you'd

8:31 ↗ like to

8:37 ↗ great can you hear me

8:40 ↗ yes

8:41 ↗ great

8:42 ↗ good evening everybody this is ann

8:44 ↗ fletcher emma is a resident of issaquah

8:47 ↗ and a people for climate action member

8:51 ↗ i'm happy to talk to you tonight because

8:53 ↗ i'm really excited at the progress

8:56 ↗ that's being made on isoqua's climate

8:59 ↗ action plan

9:00 ↗ uh this was a dream that

9:02 ↗ people for climate action had

9:05 ↗ two years ago last fall

9:06 ↗ and it's it's actually happening i know

9:09 ↗ we have a ways to go but we're making

9:11 ↗ really great progress and i want to

9:13 ↗ thank everybody that's been involved

9:15 ↗ from the city uh people to the elected

9:17 ↗ officials to the boards and commissions

9:19 ↗ and to the public that's been real

9:21 ↗ involved so

9:22 ↗ thank you all oh and to the consultants

9:24 ↗ too sorry

9:26 ↗ i didn't mean to leave you up

9:28 ↗ um

9:29 ↗ uh i i did have a few comments for

9:31 ↗ furthering on the development of the

9:33 ↗ plan um i did send in some written

9:35 ↗ comments which more with more detail but

9:37 ↗ i did want to highlight a couple of

9:39 ↗ things

9:40 ↗ uh one of them is um

9:43 ↗ that um

9:45 ↗ uh the

9:46 ↗ one of the questions was uh one of the

9:48 ↗ possible um things to talk about was

9:51 ↗ missing actions uh from the

9:54 ↗ uh from the plan so far and um and

9:57 ↗ really there i i really couldn't find

10:00 ↗ very much missing but i did want to

10:02 ↗ point out there were a few things from

10:03 ↗ the people for climate action must have

10:06 ↗ priorities for cities that i wanted to

10:07 ↗ point out and you maybe already have

10:09 ↗ considered them and and thought they

10:11 ↗ might not belong in there but the first

10:13 ↗ one is regulation of hydrofluorocarbon

10:15 ↗ emissions which are refrigerants

10:18 ↗ a real huge bad greenhouse gas

10:22 ↗ emission

10:23 ↗ and

10:25 ↗ it's not mentioned

10:26 ↗ so far

10:27 ↗ the second one is reducing consumption

10:30 ↗ of carbon intensive foods

10:32 ↗ either intensive in how they're produced

10:35 ↗ or

10:36 ↗ transported or whatever

10:38 ↗ that might be a tough one

10:41 ↗ to try to figure out

10:42 ↗ but we're thinking about and the third

10:44 ↗ one is banning chemicals that affect the

10:47 ↗ sequestration capacity of soils

10:51 ↗ and the fourth one

10:53 ↗ is there's been some talk at ppc and

10:56 ↗ title 18 about tree canopy

10:59 ↗ and i just wanted to point out that i

11:01 ↗ think

11:02 ↗ it's not in either tree canopy or

11:05 ↗ quality of trees it's both

11:08 ↗ and uh we need uh we still need to

11:11 ↗ maintain a strong tree canopy no matter

11:13 ↗ what even if we have to get rid of some

11:14 ↗ trees to help uh reduce the possibility

11:19 ↗ of forest fires

11:20 ↗ but we also need quality and the quality

11:23 ↗ needs to

11:24 ↗ be measured somehow and and maybe that's

11:27 ↗ we're still down the road on that uh but

11:30 ↗ they need to be able to sequester

11:32 ↗ uh carbon and a drought resistant

11:35 ↗ disease resistant

11:36 ↗ um bioresistant and look at their growth

11:39 ↗ rate and how it all works in the

11:41 ↗ ecosystem it's pretty complicated but

11:43 ↗ quality

11:44 ↗ if we can get it in there somewhere it

11:45 ↗ would be good

11:47 ↗ the other ques the other thing i want to

11:49 ↗ ask is or point out is um

11:52 ↗ it wasn't clear if there were some

11:55 ↗ some actions that were must have actions

11:58 ↗ priorities

11:59 ↗ uh for reducing the greenhouse gas

12:01 ↗ emissions and

12:03 ↗ uh and i think maybe that will come in

12:05 ↗ the implementation part of it but how

12:07 ↗ will it be determined which one's the

12:10 ↗ order that things will be implemented

12:11 ↗ and so forth um

12:14 ↗ and the last thing i wanted to talk

12:16 ↗ about was challenges

12:19 ↗ a potential barrier might be

12:22 ↗ in working with pse i am involved with

12:24 ↗ other groups that um

12:26 ↗ that are finding um pse reluctant to

12:29 ↗ cooperate in future planning and um so

12:33 ↗ hopefully that won't won't be a problem

12:36 ↗ but

12:36 ↗ what booster actions or what can we

12:39 ↗ think of to help overcome that

12:41 ↗ another potential barrier is convincing

12:44 ↗ and uh helping businesses and the

12:46 ↗ community members of the urgency of this

12:49 ↗ action and finding ways to

12:52 ↗ make the change economically feasible

12:55 ↗ which is what christie was talking about

12:58 ↗ absolutely important and final challenge

13:01 ↗ is adequate resources to implement this

13:04 ↗ plan there are a lot of things that may

13:07 ↗ need resources that are important and

13:09 ↗ that i think additional staffing and

13:12 ↗ down the line and unfortunately they're

13:14 ↗ going into the budget for next year and

13:16 ↗ it's really too late to get some things

13:17 ↗ in but it would be nice to have a

13:19 ↗ placeholder in there for something

13:20 ↗ that's really important to do next year

13:23 ↗ um but of course the next the 2023

13:26 ↗ budgets more important that'll be a

13:28 ↗ hefty one so those are the things that i

13:31 ↗ just wanted to call you to your mind and

13:33 ↗ thank you very much for the opportunity

13:35 ↗ to talk to you

13:40 ↗ thank you ann

13:41 ↗ do we have any other comments

13:43 ↗ uh so i do not see anyone with their

13:45 ↗ hand raised now but i do see a couple

13:48 ↗ people have joined us

13:50 ↗ so if anyone else would like to make

13:52 ↗ comments you can go ahead and

13:54 ↗ raise your hand

13:56 ↗ if you look in the panelist window which

13:58 ↗ you can access from the lower right hand

14:00 ↗ corner you can do that or you could also

14:02 ↗ send me a chat

14:04 ↗ and i will see that chat to host

14:06 ↗ and i will just give it one more moment

14:08 ↗ here as we see if anyone else wants to

14:10 ↗ provide any public comment this evening

14:18 ↗ and i am not seeing anyone so i believe

14:21 ↗ we can go ahead and move on

14:24 ↗ okay thank you megan um i think pretty

14:26 ↗ soon i'll be handing off to the the cafe

14:28 ↗ consulting team but did just want to

14:30 ↗ provide a little bit of context before

14:33 ↗ going in we have a lot to cover tonight

14:35 ↗ and uh the cascadia team is going to be

14:39 ↗ leading most of the discussion for their

14:40 ↗ portion of the

14:42 ↗ conversation but do want to make sure

14:44 ↗ that we

14:45 ↗ um just try to prioritize what we're uh

14:48 ↗ spending time on throughout the meeting

14:50 ↗ obviously there's there's so much that

14:51 ↗ we could dive into here but just

14:54 ↗ ask that people um really are respectful

14:57 ↗ of the time and then try to make sure

14:58 ↗ that we move through uh the agenda as

15:00 ↗ much obviously super important uh

15:03 ↗ subject matter but do want to make sure

15:04 ↗ that um we move through uh the agenda

15:07 ↗ and don't end up with a 10 pm meeting

15:09 ↗ like we had with ppc so um with that um

15:13 ↗ i can hand off i think

15:15 ↗ angela and addie will you be taking over

15:17 ↗ from here

15:19 ↗ yeah i was actually gonna ask if i could

15:20 ↗ have permission to share um my slide

15:23 ↗ deck

15:24 ↗ yes i will go ahead and do that now

15:32 ↗ all right you should be all set okay

15:35 ↗ um can you all let me know

15:38 ↗ give me a thumbs up if you can see it

15:40 ↗ okay great yes

15:42 ↗ all right well megan i think you're

15:44 ↗ kicking us off and then eddie and i will

15:46 ↗ kind of follow behind

15:47 ↗ yes great thank you well welcome

15:50 ↗ everyone this evening um thank you for

15:52 ↗ for joining us so tonight we'll be

15:54 ↗ talking about issaquah's climate action

15:56 ↗ plan we've done a couple meetings thus

15:58 ↗ far so i'm excited to talk about the

15:59 ↗ draft plan this evening

16:02 ↗ next slide

16:06 ↗ so here we have the agenda for this

16:08 ↗ evening so we're going to start out

16:10 ↗ pretty quick just by reviewing the goals

16:12 ↗ for the meeting and the timeline that we

16:14 ↗ have thus far

16:16 ↗ we'll then be hearing from our

16:17 ↗ consultants to provide an update on all

16:19 ↗ of the community engagement that we've

16:20 ↗ done over the past few months

16:23 ↗ we'll go ahead and pause there before

16:25 ↗ kicking off discussion one to open up

16:27 ↗ for any uh questions and answers for the

16:30 ↗ icap engagement findings and if there's

16:33 ↗ any kind of initial questions before

16:35 ↗ getting into the

16:36 ↗ strategies and actions

16:38 ↗ then we'll go ahead and have a

16:39 ↗ discussion to get into some of the

16:41 ↗ details of those pieces on the

16:43 ↗ strategies and actions

16:45 ↗ and wrap up with a second discussion on

16:48 ↗ the overall draft of the plan and at the

16:50 ↗ end we'll review some next steps

16:56 ↗ so this evening similar to the agenda so

16:58 ↗ our goals here are to provide updates on

17:00 ↗ where we are in the icap process so that

17:03 ↗ is the issaquah climate action plan

17:05 ↗ we'll present the feedback to date

17:08 ↗ there was an engagement summary included

17:10 ↗ in

17:11 ↗ the packet so we'll be talking about

17:13 ↗ some of those findings

17:15 ↗ we'll review and vet the proposed

17:17 ↗ strategies and actions and then collect

17:19 ↗ input on that draft outline

17:25 ↗ so here we have the engagement summary

17:27 ↗ that we've had so far so we started out

17:30 ↗ with some city staff workshops and then

17:32 ↗ through the summer did a lot of

17:35 ↗ listening talking and hearing from the

17:37 ↗ community which is really what we wanted

17:38 ↗ for this overall

17:40 ↗ icap process so we met with the

17:42 ↗ environmental board back in july to get

17:45 ↗ your initial thoughts on the strategies

17:47 ↗ and goals that we are on thus far so

17:49 ↗ that's why today we'll be focusing more

17:51 ↗ at that action level

17:52 ↗ we also talked with the economic

17:54 ↗ vitality commission and the planning

17:56 ↗ policy commission

17:58 ↗ we followed that up with a survey out to

18:00 ↗ the community

18:01 ↗ as well as the community convening on

18:03 ↗ climate which i know several people here

18:05 ↗ attended

18:06 ↗ and we also had a couple focus groups

18:08 ↗ one focused around business and one

18:10 ↗ focused around centering equity in the

18:12 ↗ plan

18:14 ↗ so this month is busy as we talk about

18:16 ↗ the draft plan tonight with the board

18:18 ↗ meeting and then later this week with

18:20 ↗ ppc and city council next week

18:24 ↗ and then coming up we are going to be

18:26 ↗ having another community convening

18:28 ↗ in october so we can review the draft

18:30 ↗ plan with the community and then this

18:32 ↗ board will have an opportunity to see it

18:34 ↗ once more before adoption at the

18:36 ↗ november meeting and provide a final

18:38 ↗ recommendation on the plan there and

18:40 ↗ then we have anticipated adoption by

18:43 ↗ council in december

18:47 ↗ and here i will go ahead and hand it

18:48 ↗ over

18:51 ↗ thanks megan

18:52 ↗ um so from here i'm going to spend a

18:54 ↗ little bit of time unpacking what we've

18:56 ↗ heard from all of these engagement

18:58 ↗ points

19:02 ↗ so

19:03 ↗ as megan kind of stated we've been very

19:04 ↗ busy with engagements this summer

19:06 ↗ this slide provides another little recap

19:08 ↗ of how we've engaged with the community

19:11 ↗ to date

19:13 ↗ next slide

19:16 ↗ so this slide here summarizes kind of

19:18 ↗ the overarching feedback that we've

19:20 ↗ heard to date

19:21 ↗ starting with priorities we heard the

19:24 ↗ need for bold leadership

19:26 ↗ the need for outreach education and

19:28 ↗ engagement with the isoqua community

19:31 ↗ need for advocacy

19:34 ↗ support for regional partnerships

19:36 ↗ support for using the cap to address

19:38 ↗ equity and accessibility um

19:41 ↗ support for actions that have multiple

19:43 ↗ benefits

19:44 ↗ um

19:45 ↗ considering the sequence of action

19:47 ↗ actions to

19:48 ↗ uh have some early wins and

19:52 ↗ also ensuring the affordability of the

19:54 ↗ cab

19:56 ↗ and then on to concerns we heard

19:57 ↗ concerns over wildfire and smoke extreme

20:00 ↗ heat

20:01 ↗ water availability flooding in issaquah

20:05 ↗ concern over power outages

20:07 ↗ concerned about the potential unintended

20:09 ↗ consequences of the plan

20:11 ↗ um

20:13 ↗ and turn over the unique topography and

20:14 ↗ landscape of issaquah and kind of the

20:17 ↗ challenges that that might present in

20:18 ↗ the climate actions

20:20 ↗ um and then again the funding and the

20:23 ↗ kind of capacity for implementing the

20:24 ↗ cap given uh resource limitations

20:29 ↗ so uh the top co-benefits that we heard

20:32 ↗ were ecosystem health public health and

20:34 ↗ safety

20:36 ↗ and then top action evaluation criterion

20:39 ↗ was the impact of the cap in reducing

20:41 ↗ emissions

20:44 ↗ uh

20:45 ↗ okay next slide

20:46 ↗ so this slide provides um some more

20:48 ↗ specific feedback that we heard across

20:50 ↗ our emissions reduction focus areas so

20:53 ↗ first buildings of energy

20:55 ↗ we are the need for solar ready all

20:57 ↗ electric and energy efficient new

20:59 ↗ buildings

21:00 ↗ support for retrofitting existing homes

21:02 ↗ and buildings

21:03 ↗ support for expanding renewable energy

21:05 ↗ options especially solar

21:08 ↗ in transportation expanding multi-modal

21:10 ↗ transportation promoting telework and

21:13 ↗ carpooling and transitioning to electric

21:15 ↗ vehicles

21:17 ↗ for land use the community expressed

21:18 ↗ support for denser mixed-use

21:21 ↗ transit-oriented developments

21:23 ↗ diversifying building the building mix

21:25 ↗ and prioritizing missing middle housing

21:29 ↗ support for weed or comparable building

21:31 ↗ standards

21:33 ↗ and within materials and consumption

21:34 ↗ eliminating food waste and promoting

21:36 ↗ recycling composting and sustainable

21:39 ↗ consumption and working towards zero

21:41 ↗ waste

21:44 ↗ um and here we have some more specific

21:46 ↗ feedback that we heard um across our

21:48 ↗ adaptive capacity and resilience focus

21:50 ↗ areas

21:52 ↗ so first with community resilience we

21:54 ↗ heard the need to center the plan on

21:56 ↗ those who are disproportionately

21:57 ↗ impacted by climate change or have

21:59 ↗ reduced capacity to adapt to these

22:01 ↗ changes

22:02 ↗ uh

22:03 ↗ and the need for a plan for that uh

22:06 ↗ integrates a plan for climate

22:08 ↗ emergencies and um educating the

22:10 ↗ community and increasing resilience of

22:13 ↗ the energy grid again tying back to

22:15 ↗ concern over future power outages

22:18 ↗ for natural systems we heard the need to

22:20 ↗ expand tree canopy and sequestration

22:22 ↗ opportunities protect the health of

22:25 ↗ riparian areas ecosystems and habitats

22:28 ↗ and promoting native and water and low

22:30 ↗ water use plants and removing invasive

22:33 ↗ species

22:34 ↗ and finally for water the need to

22:36 ↗ conserve and reuse water especially for

22:38 ↗ outdoor use going above and beyond

22:41 ↗ ecology stormwater management and

22:42 ↗ storage requirements

22:44 ↗ and preserving water quality especially

22:46 ↗ in riparian areas

22:54 ↗ all right i think i am up next but we

22:56 ↗ are going to take a short pause um just

22:58 ↗ to allow anyone with questions on what

23:01 ↗ addie just shared or any preliminary

23:03 ↗ questions on um the strategies and

23:06 ↗ actions burning top of mind before we

23:08 ↗ jump into the conversation

23:10 ↗ if anyone has has those that they wanna

23:13 ↗ we can adjust those at this time

23:23 ↗ will you tell me if someone's i can't

23:25 ↗ see the chat any longer

23:27 ↗ yes so anyone will go ahead and uh if

23:29 ↗ people have questions so far they can

23:31 ↗ just write question in the chat box and

23:33 ↗ jamie will call on them

23:42 ↗ not hearing anything so

23:44 ↗ i'll just kick off the next slide but um

23:46 ↗ i'll pause again just to make double

23:48 ↗ sure before we jump into the discussion

23:50 ↗ um

23:51 ↗ before we jump in i just wanted to share

23:54 ↗ um a quick example of how we use the

23:56 ↗ multi-criteria analysis this is a

23:58 ↗ question that came up um when we shared

24:00 ↗ our our meeting materials for tonight so

24:02 ↗ i just wanted to kind of show how we did

24:04 ↗ this with one practical example

24:06 ↗ this is for one of our actions and

24:09 ↗ proposed actions in the climate action

24:10 ↗ plan around enacting an all-electric

24:12 ↗ building code

24:14 ↗ there were five criteria that we looked

24:16 ↗ at for each action and we gave each kind

24:19 ↗ of a

24:20 ↗ qualitative based score um that scoring

24:23 ↗ was based on our experience research

24:27 ↗ then tailored for its class specific

24:29 ↗ community so for example things like

24:31 ↗ feasibility

24:32 ↗ are largely dependent on the resources

24:34 ↗ and capacity that individual cities have

24:36 ↗ so

24:37 ↗ um we did use kind of previous expertise

24:39 ↗ to inform these rankings but then also

24:41 ↗ kind of tweaked them to dial them more

24:44 ↗ towards uh the quas needs so this is one

24:46 ↗ example

24:48 ↗ of how this rating shook out we gave

24:50 ↗ each um criteria criterion a score that

24:54 ↗ ranged from one to five with one being

24:56 ↗ the lowest and five being the highest

24:58 ↗ um our criteria

25:00 ↗ were impacts feasibility

25:02 ↗ affordability co-benefits and equity and

25:05 ↗ the little percentages here are

25:08 ↗ weightings

25:10 ↗ the waiting is based on what we heard

25:12 ↗ from both our public engagement as well

25:14 ↗ as the last time we met with the

25:15 ↗ environmental board um we had some

25:17 ↗ takeaways from that and so this kind of

25:20 ↗ culminated in a weighted average score

25:22 ↗ of 3.3 and so each multi or each action

25:26 ↗ had a priority score assigned and that

25:28 ↗ was really just to help us identify

25:30 ↗ actions that may be weaker

25:32 ↗ or more challenging to implement we did

25:34 ↗ some combination if we found that it had

25:37 ↗ a really low priority score we combined

25:39 ↗ certain actions together or um kind of

25:42 ↗ use them to weed them out so that's kind

25:44 ↗ of how we used it and how we conducted

25:46 ↗ that analysis um

25:49 ↗ if anybody has questions on that i can

25:50 ↗ continue to pause but um if there's

25:53 ↗ nothing in the chat then maybe i should

25:55 ↗ just move to the

25:56 ↗ discussion part

26:03 ↗ so i think hopefully everyone had a

26:05 ↗ chance to look at the discussion guide

26:07 ↗ and the draft cap we included all of the

26:09 ↗ potential

26:10 ↗ strategies and actions that we have

26:12 ↗ prepared for the climate action plan to

26:14 ↗ date um

26:16 ↗ we shared a few questions that we were

26:18 ↗ hoping folks could consider in advance

26:20 ↗ so are there any crucial actions that

26:22 ↗ are missing or if you have new ideas for

26:24 ↗ actions that you currently don't see

26:25 ↗ reflected in the cap

26:27 ↗ any challenges or barriers you proceed

26:29 ↗ to implementing actions that weren't

26:31 ↗ talking further about so things like

26:33 ↗ major red flags

26:35 ↗ um and then thinking about what

26:37 ↗ resources issaquah needs to be

26:38 ↗ successful and this was touched on in

26:40 ↗ the public comment but things like

26:41 ↗ funding staff capacity um funding study

26:44 ↗ and planning efforts so kind of thinking

26:46 ↗ about the downstream impacts of adopting

26:48 ↗ this cap

26:49 ↗ what what sort of resources would need

26:51 ↗ to be lined up

26:52 ↗ um

26:53 ↗ we took a poll of environmental board

26:55 ↗ members earlier this week

26:58 ↗ and asked them to ask you all to flag

27:00 ↗ which actions you wanted to prioritize

27:02 ↗ for tonight's discussion

27:04 ↗ i have reflected those priorities in the

27:06 ↗ little yellow post-it notes so those are

27:08 ↗ the actions that had at least um two

27:11 ↗ people who wanted to talk about them i

27:13 ↗ don't want that to limit our

27:14 ↗ conversation but more so just kind of

27:16 ↗ offer

27:17 ↗ a bit of insight into the ones that

27:18 ↗ might be top of mind for folks

27:20 ↗ um you can see we have six different

27:22 ↗ focus areas here so maybe we can kind of

27:24 ↗ take them

27:26 ↗ in pairs um just to kind of keep the

27:28 ↗ conversation focused and make sure we

27:29 ↗ have a chance to address everything but

27:32 ↗ maybe before we launch into the formal

27:34 ↗ discussion and get into the weeds of

27:36 ↗ strategies and actions if there were any

27:38 ↗ questions or things that people had as

27:40 ↗ an overarching comment maybe not

27:41 ↗ specific to one focused area but just

27:44 ↗ generally about the strategies and

27:45 ↗ actions within the cow

27:57 ↗ okay i'm not hearing anything but stop

27:59 ↗ me if i'm missing something um

28:02 ↗ i'll just start us off then with the

28:04 ↗ cross-cutting climate action so these

28:06 ↗ are either overarching actions that kind

28:08 ↗ of are applicable to all focus areas or

28:12 ↗ they're more specific to how issaquah as

28:15 ↗ a city can lead by example

28:17 ↗ so that's kind of why this one's called

28:18 ↗ cross-cutting is it really has a lot of

28:20 ↗ overlap across focus areas

28:23 ↗ the first strategy focuses more on

28:25 ↗ outreach and education and then the

28:26 ↗ second strategy focuses more on leading

28:28 ↗ by example so within that first strategy

28:30 ↗ the two actions that sounded like folks

28:33 ↗ have some interest in speaking about

28:34 ↗ tonight was the community climate

28:36 ↗ challenge and advocating for climate

28:38 ↗ legislation i don't want to box us into

28:41 ↗ those two but those were kind of the top

28:42 ↗ two that rose to up for discussion and

28:45 ↗ then likewise in strategy two

28:47 ↗ um wanting to further discuss

28:49 ↗ strengthening the sustainable building

28:50 ↗ and infrastructure policy as well as

28:52 ↗ generating and storing renewable energy

28:54 ↗ um so if anybody would like to share

28:56 ↗ thoughts or ask questions or open up a

28:58 ↗ discussion on anything in this focus

29:01 ↗ area

29:02 ↗ please feel free

29:04 ↗ and i'm going to be taking notes but

29:05 ↗ addie is also taking much more detailed

29:07 ↗ notes

29:08 ↗ in a separate document so i'll just be

29:09 ↗ kind of catching snippets on screen

29:12 ↗ hi angela this is uh jamie jumping in uh

29:15 ↗ did you want us to specifically focus on

29:17 ↗ those questions that you had that were

29:19 ↗ kind of up on that top section first or

29:22 ↗ just wanting to make sure that we're

29:25 ↗ are these i don't know is this how you

29:26 ↗ want to us how to approach these this

29:29 ↗ area

29:29 ↗ great question no i don't want to like

29:31 ↗ limit it to these kind of these

29:33 ↗ questions these were just kind of the

29:34 ↗ thought-provoking questions we wanted

29:35 ↗ folks to think about as they were going

29:36 ↗ into review so if you want to respond to

29:39 ↗ one question in particular that's great

29:41 ↗ but it was mostly to just kind of spark

29:43 ↗ ideas um as folks were reviewing and

29:46 ↗ give you some sense of what we might be

29:47 ↗ talking about tonight so i don't want

29:49 ↗ anyone to feel boxed in by those

29:51 ↗ questions they're just more food for

29:52 ↗ thought

29:54 ↗ thank you um if anyone has any questions

29:57 ↗ first on the

29:59 ↗ those cross-cutting climate actions

30:01 ↗ please i'll give you a quick moment to

30:03 ↗ drop that in otherwise

30:05 ↗ uh just

30:06 ↗ we'll start taking comments you can

30:07 ↗ probably drop your comments in while we

30:10 ↗ wait to see if there's any questions but

30:12 ↗ uh yeah if you have

30:13 ↗ a comment please please drop that into

30:15 ↗ the chat

30:37 ↗ maybe i'll get us started then um

30:40 ↗ oh and

30:42 ↗ and uh why don't you uh why don't you

30:44 ↗ kick us off just saw your comment come

30:45 ↗ in

30:49 ↗ comment question i guess um

30:52 ↗ so

30:53 ↗ with our advocating for climate

30:55 ↗ legislation which is i think is really

30:57 ↗ important and it's great that this is on

30:59 ↗ here

31:00 ↗ um

31:02 ↗ would that also include um so as we

31:08 ↗ uh

31:08 ↗ transfer

31:10 ↗ as we're into our clean energy

31:12 ↗ transformation

31:14 ↗ um there's the clean energy

31:15 ↗ implementation act

31:17 ↗ so

31:19 ↗ um

31:22 ↗ would it would that also include like

31:24 ↗ commenting to the utc

31:29 ↗ who is in terms of pse

31:31 ↗ and um

31:32 ↗ you know oversees them

31:35 ↗ yeah it would um so a lot of the actions

31:38 ↗ you'll notice are kind of intentionally

31:39 ↗ broad um which leaves flexibility for

31:42 ↗ implementation to right size that a lot

31:43 ↗ of things like this are like programs we

31:46 ↗ haven't set like a rigid path for you

31:48 ↗ all to follow so it could include going

31:49 ↗ to the transportation commission it

31:51 ↗ could include just advocating at the

31:53 ↗ state wide level for various policies

31:55 ↗ that come up it could include advocating

31:56 ↗ to your local utility so working more

31:59 ↗ closely with um pse for example to try

32:02 ↗ to

32:03 ↗ push them to to do more

32:06 ↗ it can mean a lot of different things

32:06 ↗ but i think if you had any direction

32:08 ↗ there of specifics we could happily

32:10 ↗ capture those so that they're considered

32:12 ↗ for the implementation side of things

32:14 ↗ which is where you get into the

32:15 ↗ nitty-gritty

32:17 ↗ okay

32:18 ↗ well i guess i work with a separate

32:20 ↗ group and we kind of oversee psc

32:22 ↗ and work with psc and the utc

32:25 ↗ and

32:26 ↗ there are some cities that sign on to

32:29 ↗ letters to

32:31 ↗ encourage pse to um act in a certain way

32:35 ↗ and for instance

32:37 ↗ not create their new gas plant that they

32:39 ↗ want to do in 2026 and do more

32:41 ↗ renewables between now and 2025

32:44 ↗ um

32:46 ↗ but issaquah hasn't felt comfortable

32:50 ↗ signing so um with this

32:54 ↗ maybe this would be a new um

32:57 ↗ a new perspective of issaquah that it is

32:59 ↗ okay to

33:01 ↗ work like this because the cities do

33:04 ↗ have um

33:06 ↗ a lot of clout

33:08 ↗ it's helpful

33:11 ↗ so just wanted to toss that out there

33:14 ↗ and um

33:18 ↗ i can't remember what the other thing i

33:19 ↗ was going to say so i bet somebody else

33:21 ↗ has something to say

33:25 ↗ thank you anne

33:27 ↗ um

33:29 ↗ i am not seeing any other comments

33:31 ↗ um

33:33 ↗ so i i have an overarching comment for

33:36 ↗ this section i do think one of the

33:38 ↗ challenges for me as i was reviewing

33:41 ↗ it was great to read through all the

33:42 ↗ details of the of the icap and really

33:45 ↗ appreciate all the work that has gone

33:46 ↗ into it i think where i'm still

33:48 ↗ struggling to understand i know this is

33:50 ↗ a really hard question is

33:51 ↗ so we have these

33:53 ↗ overarching targets for reducing

33:55 ↗ greenhouse emissions

33:58 ↗ is this getting us there do we feel like

33:59 ↗ this is going to get us here and i know

34:01 ↗ projecting what the savings are for all

34:03 ↗ of these different strategies i mean

34:04 ↗ these cuts well below the this section

34:08 ↗ but i think that's

34:10 ↗ still the biggest question i have in my

34:12 ↗ mind

34:13 ↗ um and not only right off the bat do we

34:15 ↗ feel like we're going to be doing enough

34:16 ↗ but i think one of the things that i'd

34:18 ↗ love to talk about once we get to the

34:20 ↗ section around content is what is the

34:22 ↗ process to review and update the plan

34:24 ↗ and really evaluate how we're doing

34:26 ↗ against all of these so i'll say

34:28 ↗ comments specific to that um for later

34:30 ↗ but i think that's my that's my biggest

34:32 ↗ comment but i do love a lot of the

34:34 ↗ items within this section um

34:37 ↗ whether it's something something as

34:38 ↗ simple as a sustainable purchasing

34:40 ↗ policy like some of these things that i

34:42 ↗ think are

34:43 ↗ just great additions um so it didn't

34:45 ↗ have comments beyond that but i think

34:47 ↗ that given that it was at the very top

34:49 ↗ of this section wanted to address that

34:52 ↗ yeah that's a really good question um

34:54 ↗ and very timely so

34:56 ↗ um some of you might be aware that king

34:58 ↗ county is currently putting together a

35:00 ↗ pretty massive inventory for the region

35:03 ↗ along with a few other neighboring

35:04 ↗ counties like pierce county um to

35:06 ↗ include things like airport emissions

35:08 ↗ port emissions like um

35:11 ↗ it's doing some quantifications for

35:12 ↗ specific individual cities and as part

35:14 ↗ of that project one of the

35:17 ↗ outputs is a wedge analysis tool

35:20 ↗ and so for anyone unfamiliar with what a

35:21 ↗ wedge analysis is it's exactly what you

35:23 ↗ just described so it's basically looking

35:25 ↗ at all of your strategies and actions

35:27 ↗ together and putting numbers on how far

35:29 ↗ they're going to take you towards your

35:30 ↗ goals and on what timeline um and so by

35:33 ↗ quantifying those things you can kind of

35:35 ↗ see it visually and see

35:37 ↗ how close are we going to be meeting our

35:38 ↗ goals in 2030 2040 2050

35:41 ↗ and it really allows you an opportunity

35:43 ↗ to adaptively manage those things so

35:45 ↗ year over years you're tracking your

35:46 ↗ progress you're saying well we're not

35:48 ↗ even getting close to where we're trying

35:49 ↗ to go or we're exceeding our goals et

35:52 ↗ cetera um

35:53 ↗ that tool will be available in i think

35:56 ↗ q1 of 2022

35:58 ↗ so our recommendation to issaquah is

36:01 ↗ because you're already going to get this

36:03 ↗ tool through another project um to just

36:06 ↗ kind of go forward with the cap and then

36:08 ↗ leave some flexibility built in to call

36:10 ↗ it a living document

36:12 ↗ and plan to do that adaptive management

36:14 ↗ piece so once that tool is available do

36:16 ↗ a much more granular assessment on how

36:18 ↗ far your actions are going to take you

36:20 ↗ um into the future and then adjust if

36:22 ↗ you need to

36:23 ↗ i think on the tracking side and megan

36:25 ↗ please correct me if i'm wrong but i

36:27 ↗ think on the tracking side the goal is

36:29 ↗ to update the inventories more regularly

36:32 ↗ using a system like clearpath that makes

36:33 ↗ that process

36:35 ↗ a bit easier than the manual process

36:36 ↗ taken to date

36:38 ↗ i don't know if annual or maybe

36:40 ↗ semi-annual um but then i think the next

36:43 ↗ round of cap updates would be like at

36:46 ↗ the five-year mark but there would be

36:48 ↗ annual

36:49 ↗ um report outs on progress um

36:52 ↗ to the environmental board is that right

36:54 ↗ yes this is megan i'm happy to chime in

36:56 ↗ here um so yeah so as the board members

36:59 ↗ know um one of the things that we have

37:01 ↗ is an annual report included in our

37:03 ↗ duties and responsibilities and that's

37:05 ↗ something we'll be putting together

37:06 ↗ towards the end of the year and

37:08 ↗ um and sending off to council too so

37:10 ↗ they're aware of the activities and the

37:12 ↗ overall thought is that we would be able

37:14 ↗ to roll up

37:16 ↗ how we're doing on the climate action

37:17 ↗ plan what we've been working on and the

37:20 ↗ metrics into that summary report

37:23 ↗ and angela is correct that we are

37:25 ↗ looking to do the inventory more

37:26 ↗ regularly um we don't have if it would

37:28 ↗ be every year every other year but um

37:31 ↗ but the recommendation would be to have

37:33 ↗ the city start using a software program

37:35 ↗ to do that so we're able to kind of have

37:37 ↗ those more frequent

37:38 ↗ updates and check-ins that the the

37:40 ↗ community has been asking about

37:44 ↗ i think the other thing is the metrics

37:45 ↗ that we've included for the most part

37:47 ↗ align with metrics that are already

37:48 ↗ being tracked by the city

37:50 ↗ so that should be that should help with

37:52 ↗ um more frequent monitoring to kind of

37:55 ↗ align those metrics

37:58 ↗ um

37:59 ↗ and we did have a comment rishi um

38:02 ↗ go ahead yep uh rishi speaking uh i

38:05 ↗ wanted to

38:06 ↗ say my input on this is that the fourth

38:09 ↗ um kind of uh objective we have here to

38:11 ↗ integrate climate education to school

38:13 ↗ curriculums

38:14 ↗ should be prioritized um to a higher

38:17 ↗ level perhaps

38:19 ↗ and i think specifically with this

38:21 ↗ curriculum integration there should be

38:23 ↗ some

38:24 ↗ activities or concepts to where we draw

38:26 ↗ student input

38:28 ↗ on certain climate legislation policies

38:31 ↗ that we can then transfer back as public

38:33 ↗ comment

38:35 ↗ perhaps through someone else's voice

38:37 ↗ to

38:38 ↗ provide the student perspective

38:40 ↗ on those

38:41 ↗ legislation and policies

38:49 ↗ um perfect was there anything else on

38:52 ↗ the cross cutting section

38:54 ↗ i will move us along if this one's kind

38:56 ↗ of

38:57 ↗ worn out i can move us into buildings

38:58 ↗ and energy

39:02 ↗ um

39:03 ↗ so for for everyone's benefit just so

39:05 ↗ that you know what others are interested

39:07 ↗ in under this section the actions that

39:09 ↗ had more than one

39:11 ↗ vote for what people like to talk about

39:13 ↗ tonight were around developing energy

39:15 ↗ efficiency outreach and incentive

39:16 ↗ programs

39:18 ↗ implementing a regional heat pump

39:20 ↗ campaign

39:21 ↗ incentivizing electrification

39:23 ↗ i think those were the top three so

39:25 ↗ again welcome to talk about any of them

39:27 ↗ tonight but those were kind of the three

39:29 ↗ that were tagged as priorities for

39:30 ↗ discussion

39:52 ↗ just to give us a little food for

39:54 ↗ thought that's jimmy speaking

39:57 ↗ i think feedback like what rishi gave

39:59 ↗ just on priorities as well as

40:01 ↗ anything i mean obviously if there's

40:02 ↗ anything missing but uh

40:04 ↗ it'd be great to get people's comments

40:06 ↗ on on even if it's a quick one around

40:08 ↗ what your priorities doesn't need to be

40:09 ↗ a five-minute comment can be really

40:12 ↗ quick but i think there would love to

40:14 ↗ have even those short little

40:16 ↗ uh tidbits of information from the team

40:18 ↗ um and richie uh you can go go ahead

40:21 ↗ thank you richie speaking um i was on a

40:24 ↗ more general note i think we should um

40:26 ↗ try whenever possible to move away from

40:29 ↗ incentives while they're a great method

40:31 ↗ i think posting focusing more on like

40:33 ↗ requirements um and

40:36 ↗ mandates in terms of specific levels

40:38 ↗ that corporations need to reach

40:40 ↗ is a more effective way to achieve um

40:43 ↗ kind of the widespread uh global

40:46 ↗ greenhouse gas emissions reductions that

40:48 ↗ we're looking for

40:55 ↗ i'll put that one at the top since it's

40:57 ↗ overarching

40:59 ↗ anyone else on

41:01 ↗ buildings and energy

41:03 ↗ and if it feels limiting to go by focus

41:05 ↗ area we can also just

41:07 ↗ open it up i was more so just trying to

41:09 ↗ watch the time but

41:11 ↗ we can we don't have to belabor it yeah

41:14 ↗ i do on this stuff i do think this is a

41:16 ↗ really important topic and especially as

41:18 ↗ it relates to electrification of

41:20 ↗ buildings and just how we're looking at

41:23 ↗ code

41:24 ↗ uh as a tool to ensure that our existing

41:27 ↗ obviously our new buildings are are

41:29 ↗ being built in a way that that's going

41:31 ↗ to be sustainable and then i do think

41:33 ↗ where incentives can be really helpful

41:35 ↗ are some of that existing building stock

41:37 ↗ that uh code and some of these other

41:39 ↗ items might not have uh much leverage on

41:42 ↗ but i do think

41:43 ↗ uh

41:44 ↗ being able to not only

41:46 ↗ incentivize them to educate people on

41:49 ↗ what are the most impactful things that

41:50 ↗ they can do and and

41:52 ↗ obviously helping them do those things

41:54 ↗ to to reduce their impact uh

41:57 ↗ i think it's very important

42:01 ↗ dan um you're up next

42:05 ↗ yes so um i was just thinking about what

42:08 ↗ christy said about the lead program

42:11 ↗ being

42:13 ↗ difficult for builders and so i was just

42:16 ↗ wondering if maybe we could

42:18 ↗ have a conversation with her or other

42:20 ↗ builders about

42:22 ↗ what are some really good sustainability

42:25 ↗ programs

42:26 ↗ that are also

42:28 ↗ uh easy to use you know more economical

42:31 ↗ maybe

42:32 ↗ and um

42:35 ↗ is the five star enviro house um

42:39 ↗ more

42:41 ↗ uh what would that look like

42:43 ↗ uh in comparison to the lead program

42:49 ↗ i know there's builders out there that

42:51 ↗ just use all sorts of like

42:54 ↗ really amazing materials

42:56 ↗ but i'm not very well versed in the

42:58 ↗ subject so just maybe some orcs more

43:00 ↗ exploration around that might be nice

43:03 ↗ totally i didn't want to clarify that

43:04 ↗ the only action around lead was in the

43:07 ↗ cross cutting

43:08 ↗ related to municipal buildings so i just

43:11 ↗ wanted to make that clarification that

43:12 ↗ it wasn't

43:13 ↗ community-wide lead requirements there's

43:16 ↗ some work being considered through the

43:17 ↗ title 18 process around kind of how to

43:20 ↗ address more sustainable buildings but i

43:22 ↗ just wanted to reduce that as a point of

43:24 ↗ conflation that it's much more narrow in

43:26 ↗ scope

43:27 ↗ yeah this is megan i'll add on to that a

43:29 ↗ little bit um yeah this is one of the

43:31 ↗ pieces i think really ties in really

43:33 ↗ well with both the conversations around

43:35 ↗ sustainability with title 18 and the

43:38 ↗ environment and the climate action plan

43:40 ↗ um so there's an action where it's

43:42 ↗ considering various options so would it

43:45 ↗ want to be a lead requirement would it

43:46 ↗ want to be a more menu-based approach

43:49 ↗ which we heard reference to kind of the

43:51 ↗ city prioritizing some of the things

43:53 ↗ they want to see

43:54 ↗ so that is still an open question so

43:56 ↗ happy to hear engagement on that through

43:58 ↗ both this and that title 18 process

44:02 ↗ and also i love the idea thank you thank

44:05 ↗ you megan i love the idea of um

44:09 ↗ doing

44:10 ↗ like

44:11 ↗ trying to make it so that new

44:12 ↗ construction doesn't

44:14 ↗ have um gas hookups

44:16 ↗ solar hookups and ev hookups but not um

44:20 ↗ not be gas ready

44:22 ↗ uh

44:24 ↗ i think

44:27 ↗ the reason that it's so quiet i think is

44:29 ↗ because you guys have done

44:30 ↗ such an amazing job capturing everything

44:33 ↗ i was just really impressed with how you

44:35 ↗ captured everything

44:37 ↗ that i remember us saying

44:39 ↗ so

44:40 ↗ good job on that

44:42 ↗ ooh thanks ann it's nice to hear

44:46 ↗ oh sorry i wasn't trying to take credit

44:47 ↗ i was just saying thank you comments

44:50 ↗ oh damn

44:54 ↗ yeah thanks jamie uh dan hintz um jamie

44:57 ↗ i appreciate you framing this because i

44:58 ↗ think i just kind of want to amplify or

45:00 ↗ kind of

45:01 ↗ um strengthen one of the points on here

45:03 ↗ that's i think be 2.4 advocating for

45:06 ↗ increased electricity grid reliability

45:09 ↗ um i am obviously very pro uh you know

45:12 ↗ trying to find out ways to you know

45:15 ↗ conduct outreach around electric

45:16 ↗ electrification you know building code i

45:19 ↗ just

45:20 ↗ personally is concerned and you know

45:21 ↗ specifically in um

45:24 ↗ light of the summer where you know a

45:25 ↗ good chunk of downtown is aqua lost you

45:27 ↗ know power for 12 plus hours during you

45:29 ↗ know 112 105 degree temperatures and i

45:32 ↗ just like

45:33 ↗ it's it's like a truly a public health

45:35 ↗ concern and not an inconvenience at that

45:37 ↗ point so i do think the more we look at

45:39 ↗ relying on the electrical grid i just

45:41 ↗ don't know what that process looks like

45:43 ↗ at the city level similar to some of the

45:44 ↗ legislation advocacy

45:46 ↗ but um do you just really want to call

45:48 ↗ it out as a personal and i do think

45:49 ↗ community concern around

45:52 ↗ some of the power outages you know

45:54 ↗ specifically in the heat wave we have

45:55 ↗ this summer

45:57 ↗ totally it's not super direct based on

45:59 ↗ the language but just one thing is that

46:01 ↗ the heat pump campaign um heat pumps are

46:04 ↗ significantly more efficient than like

46:06 ↗ running air conditioners and stuff so

46:07 ↗ you kind of get double benefit out of

46:10 ↗ actions like that that are you know

46:12 ↗ during those really high load periods

46:13 ↗ where people are all running air

46:14 ↗ conditioners um

46:16 ↗ we've tried to kind of bake that in

46:18 ↗ throughout in addition to this really

46:19 ↗ explicit action around grid resiliency

46:22 ↗ that's great i guess if i can add a

46:23 ↗ little bit too i don't know if there's

46:24 ↗ any like education or awareness around

46:26 ↗ like what is necessary electrical use

46:28 ↗ during those periods versus stuff that

46:30 ↗ like oh i just you know still want to do

46:32 ↗ my normal data you know i don't know at

46:33 ↗ some point there becomes more of a

46:34 ↗ conservation argument there and and peak

46:37 ↗ uh usage and kind of

46:39 ↗ you know public health times like the

46:40 ↗ heat wave or i guess if we had really

46:42 ↗ cold snaps too it'd be similar but

46:45 ↗ yeah thanks for that clarification

46:46 ↗ though

46:48 ↗ thanks dan danny megan i'm sorry i just

46:51 ↗ wanted to say i i see some people are um

46:54 ↗ chatting to me privately by accident so

46:56 ↗ just make sure when you're chatting a

46:57 ↗ comment or question you send it to

46:59 ↗ everyone um so i think tom anderson had

47:02 ↗ actually sent it um

47:04 ↗ prior to dan so if we could go to tom

47:06 ↗ and then danny that would be great

47:08 ↗ okay yes sorry i guess i uh selected the

47:11 ↗ wrong destination there okay well i just

47:13 ↗ wanted to speak in favor of the regional

47:15 ↗ heat pump campaign sort of thing as a as

47:18 ↗ owner of a

47:19 ↗ aging gas furnace and you know the day

47:21 ↗ that i'll have to replace that is coming

47:24 ↗ pretty soon and uh this happens every

47:26 ↗ day of the week to somebody in issaquah

47:29 ↗ they need to replace it and paving the

47:31 ↗ way with some sort of informational uh

47:34 ↗ campaign to uh well this is the

47:37 ↗ categories of equipment that we would

47:40 ↗ like you to consider etc i know the city

47:43 ↗ can't promote a particular installer or

47:46 ↗ whatever but

47:47 ↗ patterned after what was done with the

47:49 ↗ solarization

47:51 ↗ and i thought that was a good program

47:53 ↗ and

47:54 ↗ i'd like to see that for the

47:56 ↗ campaign as well

47:58 ↗ that's all thank you

48:00 ↗ thanks tom danny

48:02 ↗ um i would second anne's comments i mean

48:05 ↗ i think like this is very expensive and

48:07 ↗ very good um so

48:09 ↗ yeah um and also uh as far as like the

48:13 ↗ outreach campaigns especially for like

48:15 ↗ buildings and electricity use i would um

48:19 ↗ this is more like i guess going into

48:21 ↗ like implementation especially of like

48:23 ↗ the outreach programs um but i think as

48:26 ↗ much as we can focus on like low hanging

48:28 ↗ fruit like things like leds and um

48:31 ↗ things that are like low cost and very

48:33 ↗ easy to implement especially for people

48:34 ↗ to like understand um

48:37 ↗ that's that's just my comment but um

48:39 ↗ yeah this is pretty amazing so yeah

48:45 ↗ thanks danny and just as a as a heads up

48:47 ↗ i am going to be prioritizing getting

48:48 ↗ people that haven't spoken first their

48:50 ↗ first comment so if i jump out of order

48:53 ↗ that is why so uh lara can you you're up

48:55 ↗ next

48:58 ↗ hey um

49:00 ↗ so i i mean i'm kind of echoing what was

49:02 ↗ just said um but i think

49:05 ↗ this is all like

49:07 ↗ i'm still catching up since i missed

49:09 ↗ last month so apologies that this isn't

49:11 ↗ the most coherent thought but i um i

49:14 ↗ agree that i this is all great detail um

49:18 ↗ and it feels it just feels still a

49:20 ↗ little disconnected from having an

49:21 ↗ overarching vision like i know there's

49:23 ↗ criteria and then i know there's these

49:25 ↗ really specific points but i'd really

49:28 ↗ like to see us

49:29 ↗ when we get to the end so that we have

49:31 ↗ the goals tie it back to the beginning

49:33 ↗ of what's our goal

49:34 ↗ because we're talking about all of these

49:36 ↗ goals of like making it palpable and to

49:38 ↗ um

49:40 ↗ you know to our discussion points

49:42 ↗ earlier we have to like what's the

49:44 ↗ metric what's the goal and you know we

49:46 ↗ know these we understand these things

49:48 ↗ but if we're going to do outreach and

49:49 ↗ we're going to try and get the community

49:51 ↗ by and this has to be as palpable as

49:52 ↗ possible and some of these feel so

49:54 ↗ technical that the story is a little bit

49:56 ↗ hard to follow and if we can't make

49:58 ↗ every

49:59 ↗ single implementation fit very

50:00 ↗ cohesively and coherently back to this

50:03 ↗ big picture strategy i just think that

50:04 ↗ the community buy-in is going to be

50:06 ↗ harder and harder

50:08 ↗ so that's one comment is just

50:09 ↗ i know that i mean i can see that we're

50:11 ↗ getting there so i'm not saying it's

50:12 ↗ lacking but i think we have to have a

50:14 ↗ really clear simple roadmap for why each

50:17 ↗ of these is being implemented

50:19 ↗ um and the second comment was just for

50:21 ↗ outreach and some of these building

50:23 ↗ discussions to remind us that that the

50:25 ↗ outreach

50:27 ↗ language should be not just to the

50:28 ↗ community but also to like working with

50:31 ↗ business owners and having some more

50:33 ↗ commercial outreach i don't think

50:34 ↗ outreach is the right word but whatever

50:36 ↗ um

50:37 ↗ that i don't think outreach should just

50:38 ↗ be seen as residential or just

50:40 ↗ commercial that it should be like uh

50:44 ↗ you know more inclusive like we're

50:45 ↗ reaching out to schools we're not just

50:47 ↗ reaching out to like homeowners or

50:49 ↗ commercial people like we're reaching

50:50 ↗ out to the entire community

50:53 ↗ if that makes any sense so again sorry

50:55 ↗ i'm just still catching up but those are

50:56 ↗ my thoughts

51:01 ↗ um

51:03 ↗ rishi

51:05 ↗ uh thank you rishi speaking i wanted to

51:08 ↗ say that in general on each of these

51:10 ↗ strategies i think our highest priority

51:11 ↗ should be one reliability and then two

51:14 ↗ outreach

51:15 ↗ and specifically here for strategy two i

51:17 ↗ think

51:18 ↗ um advocating for this increased

51:21 ↗ electrification

51:22 ↗ and grid reliability is our highest

51:24 ↗ priority and i think that comes through

51:27 ↗ outreach where you encourage individuals

51:30 ↗ to electrify their homes their vehicles

51:32 ↗ so gradually we can decentralize our

51:34 ↗ electric electrical structure

51:37 ↗ and

51:38 ↗ kind of increase that reliability and

51:40 ↗ also in terms of outreach i think it

51:41 ↗ should always

51:42 ↗ begin at the lowest level so from

51:45 ↗ schools and then build up uh in terms of

51:48 ↗ educational level

51:51 ↗ thank you rishi

51:53 ↗ and you're up next

51:59 ↗ as far as resiliency goes

52:02 ↗ i know a lot of that is on pse but

52:05 ↗ possibly one thing that

52:07 ↗ the city of issaquah could do um

52:10 ↗ in the future i know a lot of people use

52:13 ↗ uh

52:14 ↗ generators now like diesel generators

52:17 ↗ but

52:19 ↗ there's some really good batteries

52:20 ↗ coming online there's an iron ore

52:22 ↗ battery that might pan out to be really

52:26 ↗ inexpensive and

52:28 ↗ work

52:29 ↗ for a long time

52:31 ↗ as it would be better than the lithium

52:33 ↗ iron ion batteries and

52:36 ↗ so that is something that maybe we can

52:39 ↗ keep looking at and we could have a

52:42 ↗ battery backup for different places for

52:45 ↗ the cooling centers and for

52:48 ↗ different centers where people could go

52:49 ↗ during storms if their power goes out

52:52 ↗ um just a thought

52:56 ↗ thank you

52:58 ↗ thanks anne

52:59 ↗ um that is all the comments i'm seeing

53:01 ↗ in this area so unless anyone has

53:04 ↗ anything else to add angela we can

53:06 ↗ probably move to the next

53:08 ↗ area

53:10 ↗ great and we can always come back if

53:12 ↗ someone has an idea they didn't have

53:13 ↗ time to share

53:15 ↗ um

53:16 ↗ for transportation it was a little all

53:18 ↗ over the place so um the only one that

53:20 ↗ had more than one vote was around

53:22 ↗ implementing the mobility master plan so

53:24 ↗ i would consider this one kind of a

53:26 ↗ free-for-all for discussion um it seems

53:28 ↗ like folks had pretty varied opinions of

53:30 ↗ um what to prioritize for tonight's

53:32 ↗ discussion so maybe we can just keep it

53:34 ↗ open-ended and

53:35 ↗ i'll be tracking some notes and then

53:37 ↗ addie will have some more detailed notes

53:38 ↗ in the background

53:44 ↗ thank you angela rishi a comment from

53:47 ↗ you

53:48 ↗ yeah rishi speaking i had one uh on the

53:50 ↗ last section we're just on

53:52 ↗ um i think that on one new idea that

53:55 ↗ maybe we could implement into the

53:57 ↗ cap is

53:59 ↗ including funding programs for research

54:01 ↗ institutions i think recently the

54:03 ↗ scientific community has not been

54:04 ↗ getting as many as much funding

54:06 ↗ particularly from the government um so

54:09 ↗ increasing those so that we can actually

54:11 ↗ fund uh the people who are actually

54:12 ↗ researching these technologies and

54:13 ↗ improvements so that we can increase the

54:15 ↗ reliability and effectiveness and

54:17 ↗ efficiency

54:22 ↗ thank you

54:26 ↗ laura you're up next

54:29 ↗ hi um

54:31 ↗ so speaking of land use and what we were

54:32 ↗ saying about real resiliency um

54:36 ↗ i don't know where this fits in but it

54:38 ↗ keeps coming up

54:48 ↗ anyone else

54:51 ↗ transportation

54:55 ↗ tom

54:58 ↗ oh yes tom anderson speaking i don't

55:00 ↗ know i think this overlaps with the

55:02 ↗ implement the mobility master plan

55:04 ↗ although i'm like that sounds like a

55:06 ↗ wonderful thing but what all is in it i

55:08 ↗ don't remember but my comment is about

55:11 ↗ the multimodal transportation you know

55:13 ↗ bikes bike lanes electric bikes

55:15 ↗ availability of those sorts of things

55:18 ↗ uh i mean in addition to the energy and

55:21 ↗ climate related issues issaquah has a

55:24 ↗ transportation problem

55:26 ↗ of getting through town

55:27 ↗ and multimodal transportation is a

55:31 ↗ partial solution to that then we need to

55:33 ↗ promote that

55:35 ↗ sequoia could do better in terms of bike

55:37 ↗ lanes

55:38 ↗ and

55:40 ↗ routes for multimodal transportation

55:44 ↗ that kills two birds with earth two or

55:47 ↗ three birds with one stone by focusing

55:49 ↗ on that

55:51 ↗ thank you

55:54 ↗ thank you tom

55:56 ↗ um i will hop in uh just a quick

56:00 ↗ comment i think in terms of when i look

56:02 ↗ through this list i do think title 18 is

56:04 ↗ highlighted a lot and i think that's a

56:05 ↗ really important topic um it's something

56:08 ↗ that

56:08 ↗ is has historically been something that

56:10 ↗ i think the city of isquad has done a

56:12 ↗ really good job is figuring out well in

56:14 ↗ some respects how we how we keep spaces

56:17 ↗ green and so i think

56:18 ↗ that as a focus point but also as a way

56:21 ↗ to

56:22 ↗ focus development in the areas that we

56:24 ↗ do want it and and

56:26 ↗ there's a lot of things that are

56:28 ↗ you have easier to get around if

56:30 ↗ everything's more dense and so i think

56:33 ↗ that as an over arching topic i think

56:36 ↗ how we prioritize development in those

56:38 ↗ areas that help us continue to make the

56:41 ↗ community sustainable um by making

56:44 ↗ transportation easier is just i mean i

56:46 ↗ think that there's a reason that's the

56:48 ↗ first thing in this list maybe there's

56:50 ↗ that that just seems like an incredibly

56:51 ↗ important point to

56:53 ↗ to really be evaluating and there's

56:55 ↗ obviously trade-offs with that with

56:56 ↗ density increased density but

56:59 ↗ i did want to

57:00 ↗ mention that

57:02 ↗ and i think you get a comment

57:09 ↗ yes

57:10 ↗ um i i know it's it was in there but i

57:13 ↗ just wanted to

57:16 ↗ say um

57:18 ↗ that the more isoqua so the pandemic has

57:21 ↗ helped us um work from home so so many

57:24 ↗ more people are working from home and

57:26 ↗ it's working great

57:27 ↗ uh we've got all the tools for it now so

57:30 ↗ i love that um

57:32 ↗ issaquah encouraging businesses to

57:36 ↗ encourage their employees to work from

57:38 ↗ home was in there i want to just give

57:40 ↗ that a three thumbs up

57:44 ↗ thank you ann uh danny

57:49 ↗ um yeah i

57:50 ↗ um

57:52 ↗ i didn't see the like eevee charging

57:54 ↗ ordinance uh reference like specifically

57:56 ↗ in this um i did see the mobility master

57:58 ↗ plan and i was just um

58:01 ↗ i don't know just while reading this uh

58:03 ↗ you know there are a lot of like

58:04 ↗ different plans mentioned there's uh

58:06 ↗ title 18 mentioned there's mobility

58:08 ↗ master plan mentioned today i know this

58:10 ↗ is uh one of the questions for like the

58:11 ↗ next discussion but just making sure

58:13 ↗ that like everything is um consistent

58:17 ↗ with uh with all of the different plans

58:19 ↗ that we have and also making it um

58:21 ↗ just easy to read for someone who maybe

58:24 ↗ is like a little bit unfamiliar with um

58:27 ↗ all the different like uh reading this

58:28 ↗ as a community member i imagine that it

58:30 ↗ can be pretty confusing um having like

58:33 ↗ all of the different things uh

58:34 ↗ referenced and consistency is definitely

58:37 ↗ important so um just thinking about that

58:44 ↗ thank you danny

58:45 ↗ i'm not seeing any other comments

58:48 ↗ uh just one observation off of what what

58:50 ↗ danny said though i do think

58:52 ↗ title 18 is called out explicitly and

58:54 ↗ highlighted and made really easy to

58:56 ↗ identify do you think there's other

58:58 ↗ code parts of the code that um are

59:01 ↗ similar or plans that are a part of this

59:04 ↗ that i do think dependencies or

59:06 ↗ something to that effect would be an

59:07 ↗ important part of not specifically this

59:09 ↗ category but the overall plan making

59:11 ↗ sure that us

59:13 ↗ and anyone else that's reading the plan

59:14 ↗ is clear on

59:16 ↗ what other dependencies outside of the

59:17 ↗ climate action plan that particular uh

59:21 ↗ item would rely on

59:24 ↗ and then with that i think we can

59:26 ↗ probably move to the next category

59:29 ↗ great

59:30 ↗ all right

59:31 ↗ so this category is materials and

59:33 ↗ consumption um the two actions that rose

59:36 ↗ to the top for discussion tonight were

59:38 ↗ enforcing and expanding construction and

59:40 ↗ demolition code requirements um and

59:42 ↗ mandating recycling and composting so

59:45 ↗ again feel free to weigh in on any of

59:46 ↗ the actions but those were two that were

59:48 ↗ flagged as priorities

1:00:07 ↗ actually waste of the hot topic i'm kind

1:00:09 ↗ of surprised that usually has a lot of

1:00:11 ↗ comments

1:00:13 ↗ looks like we have a comment from ann

1:00:17 ↗ i'm just wondering um

1:00:20 ↗ if it is at all possible for us to think

1:00:24 ↗ about

1:00:27 ↗ the waste that is produced um

1:00:29 ↗ i know it's a tough one because stores

1:00:32 ↗ are able to do whatever they want but

1:00:34 ↗ for instance pse

1:00:37 ↗ for their deli and for everything that

1:00:39 ↗ they make that they

1:00:40 ↗ put out they make a lot of their food

1:00:42 ↗ and sell it in packages but it's all

1:00:45 ↗ compostable packaging it's not plastic

1:00:49 ↗ how can we encourage other

1:00:53 ↗ companies and grocery stores to do

1:00:55 ↗ things like that

1:01:00 ↗ and then also reduce the packaging

1:01:03 ↗ you know how can we encourage amazon and

1:01:06 ↗ different shippers to

1:01:08 ↗ make their packaging

1:01:11 ↗ um reusable or you know have a drop off

1:01:14 ↗ place so that we they we can just take

1:01:16 ↗ it there and they can reuse it

1:01:20 ↗ thank you anne um laura

1:01:25 ↗ uh for this i just wanted to point out

1:01:27 ↗ that um it's not just about

1:01:29 ↗ kind of what ann was saying it's not

1:01:30 ↗ about reducing um

1:01:32 ↗ like

1:01:33 ↗ reusing the waste but also that we can

1:01:35 ↗ use that for soil quality that that can

1:01:37 ↗ be used locally to replenish local soils

1:01:40 ↗ it can be used with farms it could be

1:01:41 ↗ used with the parks that it's not

1:01:42 ↗ something that you know composting isn't

1:01:44 ↗ just about capturing it but also that we

1:01:46 ↗ can use that locally to our benefit and

1:01:49 ↗ with other waste materials as well

1:01:57 ↗ um i

1:01:58 ↗ heard this mentioned like in the

1:02:00 ↗ beginning of the presentation as part of

1:02:01 ↗ like the community feedback um but i

1:02:03 ↗ would i would strongly advocate for um

1:02:06 ↗ an action specifically concerning food

1:02:08 ↗ waste um because i know that is a huge

1:02:11 ↗ contributor and um

1:02:13 ↗ it's it's definitely a part of this

1:02:15 ↗ category um so just having like a

1:02:18 ↗ specific action uh whether it's outreach

1:02:21 ↗ or education specifically for food waste

1:02:23 ↗ i think would be important

1:02:28 ↗ thank you danny dan

1:02:31 ↗ yeah dan here i think i'm going to kind

1:02:33 ↗ of reiterate what a few people said here

1:02:35 ↗ recently but i would prioritize

1:02:37 ↗ composting over recycling as much as

1:02:39 ↗ possible and reduce plastic use um

1:02:43 ↗ i think more and more we're learning

1:02:44 ↗ that like just because it has a triangle

1:02:47 ↗ on it doesn't really mean that that

1:02:48 ↗ material actually gets recycled

1:02:51 ↗ there's a big environmental pollution

1:02:52 ↗ cost with that and carbon costs with

1:02:54 ↗ that being produced and

1:02:56 ↗ all the cross oceans and all that stuff

1:02:58 ↗ i don't need to get into but so yeah i

1:03:00 ↗ think we've had a few people kind of

1:03:02 ↗ comment on that just amplify um laura's

1:03:05 ↗ point too about there's great programs

1:03:06 ↗ in the county with um

1:03:08 ↗ bile solids with um growco you know we

1:03:11 ↗ use this like crazy on restoration

1:03:13 ↗ projects forestry projects so yeah that

1:03:15 ↗ that compost uh

1:03:17 ↗ side of things i think where the most

1:03:18 ↗ potential is but

1:03:22 ↗ megan i think we missed um rishi a

1:03:24 ↗ couple people ago

1:03:27 ↗ oh sorry reiki go ahead

1:03:30 ↗ no thank you uh rishi speaking um i

1:03:32 ↗ think one of the priorities we should

1:03:34 ↗ include is having a specific clause that

1:03:38 ↗ refers to schools

1:03:40 ↗ and having restrictions on

1:03:42 ↗ district um

1:03:44 ↗ cafeteria

1:03:46 ↗ like what they're selling and like the

1:03:47 ↗ material of what they're saying i know

1:03:49 ↗ they still sell plastic water bottles uh

1:03:52 ↗ in our schools so shifting away from

1:03:53 ↗ those placing restrictions on the waste

1:03:55 ↗ that schools

1:03:56 ↗ can provide in providing also

1:03:58 ↗ educational

1:04:00 ↗ advice on the differentiation between

1:04:02 ↗ compost garbage and recycling

1:04:06 ↗ thank you

1:04:13 ↗ i know issaquah has been really good

1:04:15 ↗ about promoting composting giving away

1:04:17 ↗ bins and everything

1:04:19 ↗ um

1:04:20 ↗ i'm just wondering um can we also start

1:04:24 ↗ to think about worm bins

1:04:27 ↗ i've noticed my worm bins are way more

1:04:29 ↗ productive than my compost

1:04:38 ↗ my comments on this section is i i'm

1:04:41 ↗ definitely in favor of

1:04:43 ↗ both

1:04:43 ↗ 1.3 and 1.4 uh basically strengthening

1:04:47 ↗ our enforcement and man uh mandates

1:04:49 ↗ around recycling and composting i think

1:04:52 ↗ as we look at areas that really don't

1:04:54 ↗ cost anyone

1:04:55 ↗ anything and have significant benefits

1:04:58 ↗ those seem like areas well maybe not the

1:05:01 ↗ the construction and demolition code but

1:05:02 ↗ at least the mandating recycling and

1:05:04 ↗ composting seems like an area that is a

1:05:06 ↗ no-brainer that uh

1:05:08 ↗ that we should be uh prioritizing

1:05:14 ↗ and then

1:05:16 ↗ oh looks like we have laura coming in

1:05:19 ↗ maybe our final comments all right yeah

1:05:21 ↗ one more one more thought is just um

1:05:23 ↗ going back to the original point i

1:05:24 ↗ brought up that

1:05:25 ↗ i think it's helpful if we're tying all

1:05:27 ↗ these things back to ultimate goals that

1:05:29 ↗ we're not individualizing it so this is

1:05:31 ↗ especially with compost an interesting

1:05:33 ↗ opportunity to do something where

1:05:34 ↗ neighborhoods and hoas can actually

1:05:36 ↗ create their own space to be using their

1:05:38 ↗ compost for soil so like the idea of

1:05:41 ↗ bins or doing you know there's some that

1:05:42 ↗ are portable trucks there's all kinds of

1:05:44 ↗ different options but

1:05:46 ↗ um looking at ways where a whole like a

1:05:48 ↗ self-identified group could get together

1:05:50 ↗ and find out how to use their own waste

1:05:52 ↗ streams instead of saying like you have

1:05:54 ↗ to work with the city this big

1:05:56 ↗ organization we could find ways

1:05:58 ↗ um just some ways where people could

1:05:59 ↗ locally identify groups or like to

1:06:01 ↗ rishi's point could a school group

1:06:03 ↗ together get together and say we want to

1:06:04 ↗ use this locally and we provide

1:06:06 ↗ resources to help them do that because

1:06:08 ↗ that's i think waste especially is

1:06:10 ↗ something that

1:06:11 ↗ has to occur with a group and if we

1:06:12 ↗ can't do it as a large city it's also

1:06:14 ↗ good to mobilize smaller groups

1:06:17 ↗ it'll have very tangible um impact

1:06:23 ↗ thank you laura um

1:06:25 ↗ it looks like facts

1:06:27 ↗ are all the comments for this section so

1:06:28 ↗ we can uh

1:06:32 ↗ really nice timing so

1:06:34 ↗ um

1:06:35 ↗ we have two left this first one is

1:06:38 ↗ natural systems and water um the actions

1:06:40 ↗ that rose to the top for discussion here

1:06:42 ↗ are implementing the park strategic plan

1:06:44 ↗ and also incentivizing local carbon

1:06:46 ↗ sequestration on private land um but

1:06:49 ↗ don't be limited to just those actions

1:06:51 ↗ open for all discussion

1:07:09 ↗ and

1:07:10 ↗ was that oh it looks like yeah okay

1:07:13 ↗ you have a comment for this section

1:07:14 ↗ thanks yes i'm just wondering um if

1:07:18 ↗ we're looking to

1:07:19 ↗ king county's 30-year forest plan

1:07:23 ↗ for

1:07:24 ↗ helping to keep our forests healthy and

1:07:27 ↗ resilient

1:07:29 ↗ and

1:07:31 ↗ good at sequestering carbon

1:07:34 ↗ that's a great question i don't know

1:07:35 ↗ that we've talked about that

1:07:36 ↗ specifically megan i don't know if jen

1:07:38 ↗ has brought that up but

1:07:40 ↗ um

1:07:41 ↗ yeah this is megan um i think that's a

1:07:43 ↗ great comment to add in here so we can

1:07:45 ↗ kind of connect with the parks folks

1:07:46 ↗ about that i know they were involved in

1:07:48 ↗ in contributing some to those

1:07:50 ↗ conversations going to the development

1:07:52 ↗ and we have our own kind of urban forest

1:07:54 ↗ management plan going so i assume

1:07:56 ↗ they're synergies but great to have that

1:07:58 ↗ included as a comment

1:08:00 ↗ yeah they've got a lot of good um

1:08:02 ↗ information

1:08:03 ↗ i bet you both in a lot of good study so

1:08:05 ↗ thank you

1:08:08 ↗ thanks ann tom you had a question

1:08:10 ↗ uh yeah it's a little i'm sorry tom

1:08:12 ↗ anderson speaking

1:08:13 ↗ unclear like well what does it mean when

1:08:15 ↗ we put something like implement the

1:08:17 ↗ parts park strategic plan

1:08:20 ↗ in this plan does it mean that oh

1:08:22 ↗ they're not going to implement the park

1:08:23 ↗ strategic plan unless we recommend it

1:08:26 ↗ uh in this plan uh

1:08:28 ↗ what's the interaction between these

1:08:31 ↗ these plans

1:08:33 ↗ that's a good comment oh sorry go ahead

1:08:35 ↗ megan

1:08:36 ↗ i was just gonna say uh yeah this is

1:08:37 ↗ megan so yeah i think we like to kind of

1:08:39 ↗ call out other plans because we are the

1:08:41 ↗ people who worked on the parks plan are

1:08:43 ↗ also involved in the climate action plan

1:08:46 ↗ i also had a role in the parks plan so

1:08:48 ↗ we like to find those in those synergies

1:08:50 ↗ and make sure that we show some of those

1:08:52 ↗ connections

1:08:53 ↗ i also think with this group that

1:08:54 ↗ there's been a lot more talk about kind

1:08:56 ↗ of the sequestration benefits so we'd

1:08:58 ↗ want to relay those messages back as

1:09:00 ↗ they're implementing the park strategic

1:09:02 ↗ plan um so so there can be some more of

1:09:04 ↗ those connections made

1:09:07 ↗ yeah and we've been trying where we can

1:09:09 ↗ to call out specific actions within

1:09:11 ↗ these other plans that have like a more

1:09:12 ↗ direct nexus just because it isn't

1:09:14 ↗ obvious just by saying parks plans so

1:09:16 ↗ the detailed part of the action has kind

1:09:19 ↗ of those call outs and that's the same

1:09:20 ↗ for mobility master plan and we're

1:09:22 ↗ working on that for the stormwater plan

1:09:24 ↗ as well so hopefully that should make it

1:09:26 ↗ really obvious like what the connections

1:09:27 ↗ are versus putting that on the reader to

1:09:30 ↗ interpret

1:09:33 ↗ this is danny thank you um

1:09:36 ↗ next up we have laura

1:09:40 ↗ so um i was curious one part a question

1:09:43 ↗ is how that relates to the stewardship

1:09:45 ↗ concept that we've been working on again

1:09:47 ↗ i really am interested in tying in local

1:09:49 ↗ participation

1:09:51 ↗ um parks seem to be sort of a thing that

1:09:54 ↗ communities look at is somebody else's

1:09:56 ↗ manages and responsibility but there's

1:09:58 ↗ an opportunity to tie that in but i know

1:10:00 ↗ that's been in talks already so throwing

1:10:03 ↗ that out there um

1:10:05 ↗ also for parks and

1:10:07 ↗ where the division is for where like a

1:10:09 ↗ street tree becomes a city property

1:10:12 ↗ instead of a parks property

1:10:14 ↗ that can get a little hazy

1:10:16 ↗ um

1:10:17 ↗ but regarding both of those is the

1:10:19 ↗ importance of

1:10:21 ↗ prioritizing maintenance standards so

1:10:23 ↗ that

1:10:24 ↗ it almost we look at parks as a way to

1:10:26 ↗ say you can maintain your land and make

1:10:28 ↗ these

1:10:29 ↗ vegetation look like this like having

1:10:31 ↗ actual um examples so if you go to the

1:10:34 ↗ park you realize like i don't have to

1:10:35 ↗ have boxwood

1:10:37 ↗ shrubs i can have something that's

1:10:38 ↗ locally native that provides more value

1:10:40 ↗ and here's what it looks like

1:10:42 ↗ um using the parks is like an

1:10:44 ↗ opportunity but also for training

1:10:46 ↗ with the maintenance staff we need i

1:10:48 ↗ would like i don't know how included

1:10:49 ↗ this is uh in the strategic plan as was

1:10:52 ↗ just said

1:10:53 ↗ but um i would like to call out

1:10:54 ↗ specifically that we've standardized

1:10:56 ↗ that

1:10:57 ↗ the maintenance standards are

1:10:59 ↗ service these goals because it's easy to

1:11:02 ↗ have a plan but it's hard to

1:11:04 ↗ remember that when somebody walks

1:11:05 ↗ through the park that because the park

1:11:07 ↗ doesn't look the way you think it should

1:11:08 ↗ that it doesn't

1:11:10 ↗ it doesn't mean we're doing it wrong

1:11:11 ↗ that we have to set the expectation to

1:11:13 ↗ our community that we're gonna it's

1:11:15 ↗ gonna look different because it's gonna

1:11:16 ↗ work better um but that has to go back

1:11:18 ↗ down to the day-to-day management of

1:11:20 ↗ this place so hopefully that'll make

1:11:22 ↗ sense

1:11:26 ↗ you laura um dan you're up next

1:11:30 ↗ uh yeah i guess two comments one kind of

1:11:32 ↗ um

1:11:33 ↗ um echoing anne's public comment from

1:11:36 ↗ the start of this meeting and laura a

1:11:38 ↗ little bit there too um i i do really

1:11:40 ↗ think there's some strong arguments

1:11:42 ↗ around um not just

1:11:44 ↗ i guess this is related to title 18 as

1:11:46 ↗ well but not just looking at you know

1:11:48 ↗ number of trees or general canopy canopy

1:11:51 ↗ cover statistics but yeah really kind of

1:11:53 ↗ maybe another level analysis around

1:11:55 ↗ species of trees age class of trees

1:11:59 ↗ in terms of

1:12:00 ↗ some of the protections we might have

1:12:02 ↗ laura your comment on some of the kind

1:12:04 ↗ of maintenance of some of our parks

1:12:06 ↗ which also are natural areas they have

1:12:07 ↗ passive recreation is quite a such a

1:12:09 ↗ great job trying to balance all of those

1:12:11 ↗ needs you know especially thinking along

1:12:13 ↗ israel creek tibbetts creek different

1:12:15 ↗ public parks we have

1:12:17 ↗ um but sometimes that can be kind of

1:12:18 ↗ messy you know i guess this is my like

1:12:20 ↗ little plea for like cottwood trees or

1:12:22 ↗ really really fast bio accumulators

1:12:24 ↗ store a lot of carbon really good for

1:12:26 ↗ pollution but they can be a nuisance so

1:12:28 ↗ i think it's trying to find that balance

1:12:29 ↗ of where we can really truly keep areas

1:12:31 ↗ natural versus whether our you know true

1:12:33 ↗ maybe safety or you know other hazards

1:12:36 ↗ with with infrastructure nearby so

1:12:39 ↗ that's kind of my comment on i guess you

1:12:41 ↗ know trees and canopy

1:12:43 ↗ and then getting to the water resources

1:12:45 ↗ or aquatic resources which i think are

1:12:47 ↗ just such a

1:12:48 ↗ amazing part of living in the city

1:12:50 ↗ especially in the valley floor um i

1:12:52 ↗ would personally advocate even i think

1:12:54 ↗ there's elements of this in the

1:12:55 ↗ stormwater management plan of figuring

1:12:57 ↗ out how we can better um

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1:13:02 ↗ uh better uh incorporate projects that

1:13:04 ↗ um include infiltration bioinfiltration

1:13:08 ↗ um rain gardens um

1:13:10 ↗ also deep having i know that seems like

1:13:13 ↗ controversial and counterintuitive but i

1:13:15 ↗ just see some of these places around

1:13:16 ↗ israel there's giant jacket parking lots

1:13:18 ↗ and what are historical flood plains of

1:13:21 ↗ our creeks here um

1:13:23 ↗ i think that has huge impacts both on

1:13:25 ↗ our water quality our aquatic wildlife

1:13:27 ↗ and um

1:13:29 ↗ obviously on our storm water management

1:13:31 ↗ um so i i don't know if there's ways to

1:13:33 ↗ incentivize or require uh you know more

1:13:36 ↗ you know infiltration or even deep

1:13:38 ↗ paving in places but

1:13:42 ↗ thank you dan rishi

1:13:45 ↗ yeah uh thank you richie speaking i had

1:13:47 ↗ a more overarching idea here um and i'm

1:13:50 ↗ not sure about the feasibility but i

1:13:51 ↗ wanted to share it um and kind of

1:13:53 ↗ turning back to the multi-criteria

1:13:55 ↗ analysis i think you presented earlier i

1:13:58 ↗ was wondering if it would be possible to

1:14:00 ↗ do the same uh but but in some sort of

1:14:02 ↗ audit of the different local

1:14:03 ↗ corporations

1:14:05 ↗ and assign some uh quantifiable

1:14:08 ↗ you know score to each of those and then

1:14:10 ↗ say that cities

1:14:11 ↗ uh can only uh call for um

1:14:15 ↗ can only utilize corporations that have

1:14:17 ↗ a certain

1:14:18 ↗ or businesses that have us of a score

1:14:21 ↗ over a certain threshold um and that

1:14:24 ↗ would be as a means to actually

1:14:26 ↗ incentivize

1:14:27 ↗ these businesses local businesses

1:14:29 ↗ um to

1:14:31 ↗ start incorporating each of the sectors

1:14:32 ↗ that we've implied here where we're

1:14:34 ↗ throwing away the throwing around the

1:14:36 ↗ term incentivization

1:14:38 ↗ and also just to account for the fact

1:14:39 ↗ that some smaller revenues for different

1:14:41 ↗ companies

1:14:43 ↗ that are perhaps smaller are less likely

1:14:45 ↗ to be able to actually implement some of

1:14:47 ↗ these to have a scaling factor so that

1:14:49 ↗ they are not you know disproportionately

1:14:51 ↗ affected

1:14:56 ↗ thank you rishi laura

1:14:59 ↗ um

1:15:00 ↗ i love rishi's comment as an aside i

1:15:02 ↗ think um i love the idea still and i'll

1:15:05 ↗ just keep bringing it up of us having a

1:15:06 ↗ scorecard in some way where we're

1:15:09 ↗ in the same way you can say a scorecard

1:15:11 ↗ of the health of a corporation or any

1:15:13 ↗ kind of business that's in the city it'd

1:15:15 ↗ be great to have a scorecard that we can

1:15:17 ↗ say that this is what we know they're

1:15:18 ↗ doing so we can

1:15:20 ↗ encourage people to know that you know

1:15:22 ↗ we're not we don't want that to be

1:15:23 ↗ invisible we want them their impacts to

1:15:25 ↗ be visible um

1:15:27 ↗ my other comment is just to jump off

1:15:29 ↗ again what dan just said to call it out

1:15:31 ↗ um first storm water specifically for

1:15:33 ↗ rain gardens i i would love to see that

1:15:35 ↗ call now because that's something that

1:15:38 ↗ you know if we got if we could

1:15:39 ↗ specifically

1:15:40 ↗ tell people how to get rid of their

1:15:42 ↗ lawns and how to replace some of their

1:15:45 ↗ um

1:15:45 ↗ plants with more

1:15:48 ↗ relevant plants for storm water that

1:15:49 ↗ would be huge i mean i know there are a

1:15:50 ↗ lot of people who want to do something

1:15:52 ↗ and that's something that's very doable

1:15:54 ↗ um so i just want to call it out

1:15:56 ↗ specifically instead of just saying you

1:15:57 ↗ know low end impact development implies

1:15:59 ↗ that it's something that you're doing

1:16:01 ↗ um for a new development but that's

1:16:02 ↗ something that anyone can go and throw

1:16:04 ↗ in more plants that are helpful to their

1:16:06 ↗ neighborhood

1:16:12 ↗ thank you laura um

1:16:15 ↗ i will go next not seeing any other

1:16:17 ↗ comments i just first had a quick

1:16:19 ↗ question

1:16:20 ↗ i think is the current tree cover

1:16:23 ↗ trying to remember from the previous

1:16:24 ↗ presentation was it 51

1:16:28 ↗ that's right

1:16:30 ↗ okay

1:16:32 ↗ given that it does seem like

1:16:35 ↗ more efforts to incentivize how we

1:16:38 ↗ reforest see

1:16:40 ↗ that seems to be an area that needs a

1:16:41 ↗ lot of focus um and i do wonder if i

1:16:44 ↗ know there's a lot of activity around

1:16:48 ↗ carbon offsets and other ways of

1:16:51 ↗ not just the city funding but actual

1:16:53 ↗ revenue sources for private landowners

1:16:55 ↗ to

1:16:56 ↗ um

1:16:57 ↗ to help fund

1:16:58 ↗ efforts to reforest areas that aren't

1:17:00 ↗ currently forested so i do think that

1:17:02 ↗ similar to some of the other topics

1:17:04 ↗ where some of it might just be providing

1:17:06 ↗ materials and education around

1:17:09 ↗ what is what's an option out there and

1:17:10 ↗ there are some really compelling new

1:17:12 ↗ options that that could be available i

1:17:14 ↗ also think it would be a really

1:17:15 ↗ interesting

1:17:16 ↗ uh opportunity for people around

1:17:18 ↗ issaquah to be able to

1:17:20 ↗ offset their

1:17:21 ↗ their uh

1:17:23 ↗ their their emissions through something

1:17:25 ↗ that's directly impacting the community

1:17:27 ↗ so um that's the one that jumped out to

1:17:29 ↗ me i do think that uh

1:17:32 ↗ the way that we're looking at i know we

1:17:35 ↗ haven't talked about super in-depth

1:17:36 ↗ title 18 on the i think that's coming

1:17:39 ↗ back to us around uh tree cover but

1:17:42 ↗ it does seem like a review a really

1:17:45 ↗ significant review of how we think about

1:17:47 ↗ tree cover and development projects and

1:17:50 ↗ uh

1:17:51 ↗ that seems necessary to stop the

1:17:53 ↗ bleeding but i also still wonder if we

1:17:56 ↗ have enough to truly increase tree cover

1:17:59 ↗ with what we have here by such a

1:18:01 ↗ significant amount

1:18:03 ↗ when we have things chipping away at it

1:18:05 ↗ along the way

1:18:06 ↗ through development

1:18:09 ↗ and you had a comment

1:18:13 ↗ yeah

1:18:14 ↗ so i know this has already been said by

1:18:17 ↗ connie marsh and probably some of you

1:18:19 ↗ guys here but um i think it's and it was

1:18:22 ↗ already in your plan but i think it's

1:18:23 ↗ good to reiterate um

1:18:26 ↗ so i went on a carbon hike uh forest

1:18:29 ↗ carbon hike with kathleen farley wolf

1:18:32 ↗ last weekend

1:18:34 ↗ and she was one of the people that wrote

1:18:37 ↗ the 30-year forest plan for king county

1:18:40 ↗ and

1:18:41 ↗ she

1:18:43 ↗ um

1:18:44 ↗ you know brought to our attention that

1:18:47 ↗ 50 of a tree

1:18:49 ↗ is

1:18:50 ↗ carbon

1:18:51 ↗ so

1:18:52 ↗ the older forest the bigger the tree is

1:18:54 ↗ um the more carbon that is stored in it

1:18:58 ↗ and um even the logs that have fallen

1:19:00 ↗ over they're still stored in carbon even

1:19:02 ↗ though they're releasing it because

1:19:03 ↗ they're decaying but they're still

1:19:04 ↗ storing it for a long time so um while

1:19:08 ↗ uh planting new forests is super

1:19:10 ↗ important um

1:19:13 ↗ just

1:19:14 ↗ it's good for us to remember

1:19:17 ↗ that

1:19:18 ↗ where we can keep the old ones

1:19:21 ↗ where it's safe to keep them

1:19:25 ↗ creating

1:19:26 ↗ the healthy forest is super important

1:19:30 ↗ and then she also notated that um

1:19:33 ↗ in their 30-year plan they're looking at

1:19:36 ↗ like the whole the whole coast like not

1:19:38 ↗ going down into california but the

1:19:40 ↗ pacific northwest coastal regions

1:19:44 ↗ for um

1:19:47 ↗ for plants for the future not redwoods

1:19:50 ↗ or sequoias

1:19:52 ↗ she wanted to point that out anyway

1:19:55 ↗ thanks

1:19:58 ↗ thank you ann that looks like our final

1:20:01 ↗ comment for that section so we can take

1:20:04 ↗ us home with the final section

1:20:06 ↗ yeah and i think we're right at time

1:20:08 ↗ well we're like five minutes over so

1:20:09 ↗ hopefully folks can um quickly share any

1:20:12 ↗ final closing thoughts on this section

1:20:14 ↗ the ones that came to the top were

1:20:15 ↗ developing new climate emergency

1:20:17 ↗ response systems and conducting a

1:20:18 ↗ vulnerability assessment so feel free to

1:20:20 ↗ weigh in on any of the ones on the

1:20:22 ↗ screen

1:20:48 ↗ dan you had a comment

1:20:51 ↗ looking at the king county wildfire

1:20:53 ↗ preparedness strategy i think the more

1:20:55 ↗ we can piggyback on things that are

1:20:58 ↗ already established and already have

1:20:59 ↗ been done the better

1:21:05 ↗ thank you anne

1:21:09 ↗ quick comment for me on this i think the

1:21:11 ↗ conductive vulnerability assessment it

1:21:13 ↗ is

1:21:14 ↗ a really important one i i don't have a

1:21:16 ↗ clear i mean we've talked about it a

1:21:18 ↗ little bit in title 18 but i don't have

1:21:19 ↗ a clear understanding of exactly which

1:21:21 ↗ risks are out there and i think

1:21:23 ↗ as we think about that

1:21:24 ↗ goal of trying to get to 50 of emergency

1:21:27 ↗ systems that serve 50 percent of

1:21:29 ↗ israel's population i think getting more

1:21:30 ↗ specific on like what are the specific

1:21:32 ↗ threats that we're trying to protect and

1:21:34 ↗ what portions of the population for the

1:21:36 ↗ different threats we

1:21:38 ↗ we need to be protecting or that we want

1:21:39 ↗ to be protecting

1:21:41 ↗ would be an important step that a

1:21:42 ↗ vulnerability assessment could help us

1:21:44 ↗ at least have the building blocks for

1:21:51 ↗ and then i'm not seeing any other

1:21:53 ↗ comments for this section

1:21:55 ↗ okay well maybe what we can do is move

1:21:58 ↗ into our last discussion and just kind

1:22:00 ↗ of use that as an encapsulating thing

1:22:01 ↗ and if folks had something they wanted

1:22:03 ↗ to share in community resilience you

1:22:04 ↗ could just use that time to share that

1:22:06 ↗ out and i'll capture it in the mural

1:22:09 ↗ board but um i can bring our deck back

1:22:12 ↗ up or i can try to

1:22:15 ↗ see

1:22:16 ↗ all right so i think addie you're going

1:22:18 ↗ to take us into this last discussion

1:22:23 ↗ yes thanks angela

1:22:24 ↗ um so yeah in our last couple minutes

1:22:27 ↗ together we're going to open up for

1:22:29 ↗ discussion about

1:22:30 ↗ the plan itself and the outline that was

1:22:33 ↗ shared in the meeting packet

1:22:35 ↗ um and specifically we're we're

1:22:36 ↗ interested in knowing is the structure

1:22:38 ↗ or flow of the icap intuitive and easy

1:22:41 ↗ to follow are there elements you were

1:22:43 ↗ expecting to see that are missing what

1:22:45 ↗ visuals or graphics are most important

1:22:47 ↗ to you

1:22:49 ↗ and any additional feedback that you

1:22:50 ↗ have kind of about the structure of the

1:22:53 ↗ plan that's

1:22:58 ↗ so gonna open up to the uh

1:23:01 ↗ discussion and angela's gonna be taking

1:23:02 ↗ notes in the back end for us

1:23:06 ↗ thank you addie any uh yeah drop any

1:23:09 ↗ questions or comments in

1:23:17 ↗ and

1:23:18 ↗ oh no rishi you're up for

1:23:21 ↗ oh thank you rishi speaking um this was

1:23:23 ↗ brought up earlier i just wanted to

1:23:24 ↗ bring it back to the forefront but i

1:23:26 ↗ think it would be nice to have a clearer

1:23:28 ↗ vision uh that the cap has in mind um so

1:23:32 ↗ kind of where we're at right now and

1:23:33 ↗ then what we hope to see

1:23:35 ↗ in some number of years or in a certain

1:23:37 ↗ time frame

1:23:41 ↗ thank you

1:23:42 ↗ yeah

1:23:45 ↗ i love the little icons

1:23:53 ↗ thank you anne

1:23:55 ↗ laura

1:23:58 ↗ um i said some of this earlier but i um

1:24:02 ↗ i agree with and that icons are great

1:24:04 ↗ um

1:24:06 ↗ and but i agree with rishi also that we

1:24:07 ↗ don't have

1:24:09 ↗ a big picture um like the emissions is

1:24:12 ↗ one thing and then we're talking about

1:24:14 ↗ resilience but what does that really

1:24:16 ↗ mean and then we talk about

1:24:18 ↗ um

1:24:21 ↗ you know it's just it feels disjointed

1:24:23 ↗ and i think that's like a societal

1:24:25 ↗ problem it's not we're not the first

1:24:26 ↗ ones to encounter it so i don't think

1:24:28 ↗ it's a shortcoming but i think um

1:24:30 ↗ i would like to see us break out

1:24:34 ↗ you know like we were saying before like

1:24:35 ↗ what are the metrics like what are the

1:24:37 ↗ main goals so 20 years from now we want

1:24:39 ↗ to achieve what and i don't want i mean

1:24:41 ↗ i know that we have all these listed

1:24:43 ↗ goals but then funnel that to the top of

1:24:45 ↗ we're going to have more vegetation or

1:24:47 ↗ we're going to have less driving or

1:24:49 ↗ we're going to have more sustainable

1:24:50 ↗ driving but you know these these are

1:24:52 ↗ like catch phrases but what does that

1:24:54 ↗ really mean

1:24:55 ↗ um so have like a concise

1:24:58 ↗ vision for what

1:25:00 ↗ the main goals are with actual metrics

1:25:03 ↗ but in a way that's not super

1:25:04 ↗ overwhelming and then break that out

1:25:06 ↗ to

1:25:08 ↗ taking it back a step what does that

1:25:09 ↗ look like with all of these goals again

1:25:11 ↗ i just feel like

1:25:13 ↗ the shortcoming of most plans

1:25:17 ↗ is that they're in some ways super

1:25:18 ↗ technical so people don't understand the

1:25:20 ↗ value of them

1:25:21 ↗ and then in other ways they're so

1:25:23 ↗ keyword-ish with things like

1:25:25 ↗ sustainability and resilience like what

1:25:27 ↗ i want to see is a climate positive

1:25:29 ↗ contribution so we are going to be

1:25:32 ↗ doing the most we can to improve our

1:25:34 ↗ impact on the climate in a positive way

1:25:37 ↗ meaning like we're actually reducing

1:25:39 ↗ these metrics or something i just i want

1:25:41 ↗ it to be more concrete these are all i

1:25:43 ↗ feel like you're getting there and it's

1:25:44 ↗ not that i don't see it but um

1:25:46 ↗ i want to be able to show it to a

1:25:48 ↗ business owner and show it to a teenager

1:25:50 ↗ at a high school and have them both

1:25:52 ↗ understand here's what i do

1:25:54 ↗ to impact my climate and my environment

1:25:57 ↗ and here's what i can do

1:25:58 ↗ um

1:25:59 ↗ to improve that in the future and if we

1:26:01 ↗ don't have a really simple way it's just

1:26:04 ↗ um

1:26:05 ↗ i want that like i want them to

1:26:06 ↗ understand it and when they do then

1:26:08 ↗ you'll be succeeding so i feel like

1:26:09 ↗ we're getting there but um

1:26:11 ↗ the metrics will be helpful for what the

1:26:13 ↗ end goal is for

1:26:14 ↗ in the future not just um

1:26:16 ↗ abstract things like sustainable and

1:26:18 ↗ resilient but really concrete goals

1:26:23 ↗ thanks laura

1:26:26 ↗ i'm not seeing any other comments so

1:26:28 ↗ maybe i'll hop in um

1:26:30 ↗ and i've mentioned

1:26:33 ↗ this in the past but i do think and i

1:26:34 ↗ know this is challenging but i do think

1:26:36 ↗ as we get into implementation getting to

1:26:39 ↗ more specifics around impact and cost

1:26:42 ↗ and i know we use the term affordability

1:26:43 ↗ but i think if that is cost

1:26:46 ↗ as we think about how do we prioritize

1:26:49 ↗ what's going to happen bang for the buck

1:26:50 ↗ i think it's just a really important

1:26:51 ↗ conversation and i'm just not sure that

1:26:54 ↗ high

1:26:55 ↗ medium low for both of those is going to

1:26:57 ↗ be enough to really guide us and so i

1:26:59 ↗ hope that we get as we get further along

1:27:01 ↗ in the process and get a little bit

1:27:03 ↗ closer on at least some of the high

1:27:04 ↗ priority actions we can put some more

1:27:06 ↗ specifics around those items

1:27:08 ↗ um i also think it would be helpful i

1:27:10 ↗ know we saw the multi-criteria analysis

1:27:13 ↗ for that one item i do think it would be

1:27:15 ↗ helpful to understand

1:27:17 ↗ maybe across more of these items or all

1:27:18 ↗ of the items how

1:27:20 ↗ you're thinking about the scoring for

1:27:23 ↗ the inclusion of all the different

1:27:25 ↗ actions that we have in here

1:27:27 ↗ um don't want to blow the presentation

1:27:30 ↗ to a huge level or the plan to detail

1:27:32 ↗ but i do think that would be helpful

1:27:34 ↗ um

1:27:35 ↗ and then i really do think that that

1:27:37 ↗ implementation plan that's what i'm

1:27:38 ↗ really interested in is

1:27:41 ↗ how are we looking at okay what is the

1:27:44 ↗ low what are the low-hanging fruit items

1:27:45 ↗ and i know i'd ask megan a question

1:27:47 ↗ about how is feasibility and some of

1:27:49 ↗ these other like obstacles to the

1:27:51 ↗ actions how are those going to be shared

1:27:53 ↗ and i think

1:27:54 ↗ that conversation around like what can

1:27:56 ↗ we go out and do quickly what are the

1:27:58 ↗ things that have dependency either

1:28:00 ↗ funding

1:28:01 ↗ code updates

1:28:03 ↗ things like

1:28:04 ↗ what are the things that we need to be

1:28:05 ↗ secret and how do we need to be

1:28:06 ↗ sequencing them along the way

1:28:08 ↗ that's where

1:28:10 ↗ i'm really interested in how this list

1:28:12 ↗ of items becomes a plan that we can

1:28:14 ↗ actually go out and execute on soon

1:28:16 ↗ after it's adopted i think that's really

1:28:19 ↗ i think everything that we've

1:28:21 ↗ that we've wanted to do with this this

1:28:23 ↗ plan was to have something that's really

1:28:25 ↗ actionable quickly so i think that piece

1:28:27 ↗ i'm i'm interested in how that comes to

1:28:29 ↗ life because i do think that's been

1:28:31 ↗ critical to us

1:28:32 ↗ getting out and

1:28:34 ↗ and having an impact as fast as possible

1:28:44 ↗ any final comments from anyone

1:28:46 ↗ [Music]

1:28:53 ↗ not seeing any oh and with the late uh

1:28:58 ↗ and go ahead

1:28:59 ↗ yeah it's off subject but i just wanted

1:29:02 ↗ to go back to a lot of you were

1:29:04 ↗ expressing great resiliency has been

1:29:06 ↗ really important

1:29:08 ↗ and maybe you have some ideas about that

1:29:11 ↗ but i think

1:29:12 ↗ if we promote the distributed energy so

1:29:15 ↗ um

1:29:17 ↗ and i thought that's been

1:29:19 ↗ said over and over so i think it's

1:29:20 ↗ probably already in there promotes the

1:29:23 ↗ um solar panels and um

1:29:26 ↗ battery combination or

1:29:28 ↗ maybe there's something else that you

1:29:30 ↗ can think of

1:29:32 ↗ that

1:29:33 ↗ will make

1:29:34 ↗ people's homes more resilient

1:29:38 ↗ because um you don't so there's

1:29:40 ↗ technology now um because you can store

1:29:43 ↗ it it used to be when you had solar

1:29:45 ↗ panels

1:29:46 ↗ um even if the power went out you didn't

1:29:48 ↗ have any power

1:29:50 ↗ but now that we have the ability to

1:29:51 ↗ store it

1:29:52 ↗ in our car or um

1:29:55 ↗ in a battery pack or just a single big

1:29:58 ↗ battery

1:29:59 ↗ um

1:30:00 ↗ [Music]

1:30:01 ↗ we can there's a switch that you can

1:30:03 ↗ elect to put on and it can switch so

1:30:05 ↗ that you can use it when the power goes

1:30:08 ↗ out and you might have already known

1:30:09 ↗ that but i just thought i would toss

1:30:10 ↗ that in there

1:30:15 ↗ thank you ann um

1:30:18 ↗ addy angela did you have any anything

1:30:20 ↗ else that you wanted to take us through

1:30:24 ↗ i think we have a couple of slides to

1:30:25 ↗ just close out maybe

1:30:27 ↗ yeah megan if you want to just give a

1:30:29 ↗ quick

1:30:30 ↗ update on timeline i think that's all we

1:30:31 ↗ had thanks everybody for your active

1:30:33 ↗ participation tonight you know it's a

1:30:35 ↗ long meeting

1:30:37 ↗ yes thank you everyone that was really

1:30:39 ↗ helpful feedback

1:30:40 ↗ so just to look at this slide again so

1:30:43 ↗ we'll be going to ppc this week and city

1:30:45 ↗ council next week i'm talking about the

1:30:47 ↗ draft plan i will be sending out

1:30:49 ↗ invitations soon for the community

1:30:51 ↗ convening on climate in october so that

1:30:53 ↗ will be an opportunity for

1:30:55 ↗ members of the public and others to come

1:30:57 ↗ and talk about the draft plan there and

1:31:00 ↗ then the environmental board will have

1:31:02 ↗ an opportunity to

1:31:04 ↗ discuss the the final plan and provide a

1:31:06 ↗ recommendation to council on

1:31:09 ↗ on adoption so it'll be similar to what

1:31:11 ↗ we did with the electric vehicle

1:31:12 ↗ ordinance if there's any kind of final

1:31:14 ↗ comments including that in the in that

1:31:16 ↗ final recommendation and then voting on

1:31:18 ↗ that item so that will be at the

1:31:20 ↗ november meeting

1:31:22 ↗ and then anticipated adoption in

1:31:23 ↗ december

1:31:26 ↗ and i think that is it for this evening

1:31:28 ↗ so again thank you all very much and we

1:31:31 ↗ can go on to our our next presentation

1:31:38 ↗ thank you great job

1:31:42 ↗ this is megan i'm just pulling forward

1:31:44 ↗ our next presenters

1:32:00 ↗ so

1:32:01 ↗ gary i see that you are joining us here

1:32:05 ↗ um

1:32:06 ↗ we do have jeff on the line

1:32:10 ↗ um however

1:32:12 ↗ i'm having

1:32:13 ↗ a

1:32:14 ↗ hard time bringing him up to be a

1:32:16 ↗ panelist to be able to talk

1:32:19 ↗ um so i'm just

1:32:21 ↗ letting everyone know that so you know

1:32:23 ↗ i'm doing here for a moment so just give

1:32:24 ↗ me one more minute here

1:32:31 ↗ all right so um jeff i do have that you

1:32:33 ↗ will be able to talk i will just need to

1:32:36 ↗ unmute you when it is your turn so i

1:32:37 ↗ will look to gary

1:32:39 ↗ for that

1:32:40 ↗ right

1:32:41 ↗ and megan are you uh able to drive for

1:32:44 ↗ us tonight i am yes i am just pulling

1:32:46 ↗ that thank you as well

1:32:49 ↗ so hello environmental board uh gary

1:32:51 ↗ schimeck you're

1:32:54 ↗ utilities engineering division manager

1:32:55 ↗ here

1:32:56 ↗ coming to you live from newport oregon

1:32:59 ↗ so it's uh

1:33:01 ↗ um so megan is helping me out and um

1:33:05 ↗ hopefully it looks like i got a pretty

1:33:06 ↗ good connection so

1:33:08 ↗ if you can't hear me do do uh do let me

1:33:11 ↗ know

1:33:12 ↗ and megan's getting uh started here

1:33:16 ↗ so i am here today uh along with uh

1:33:21 ↗ jeff brown from

1:33:23 ↗ epicenter consulting

1:33:25 ↗ to talk about the solid waste hauling

1:33:28 ↗ and processing contract process

1:33:31 ↗ i'm sorry this is beggin can you see the

1:33:33 ↗ just the presentation are you also

1:33:35 ↗ seeing the notes there

1:33:38 ↗ i'm seeing two two slides megan the the

1:33:41 ↗ first slide and then the the next slide

1:33:44 ↗ okay let me just fix that for you here

1:34:00 ↗ there we go perfect

1:34:03 ↗ all right if you could go to the next

1:34:04 ↗ slide please

1:34:10 ↗ so we're here uh today um

1:34:13 ↗ to talk about uh competitive process

1:34:16 ↗ we've just begun very beginning of this

1:34:19 ↗ for

1:34:20 ↗ uh our next solid waste contract which

1:34:22 ↗ which is yes in will will be in july 1st

1:34:25 ↗ 2023 that is not a typo

1:34:28 ↗ uh the reason we are here so early

1:34:31 ↗ uh is uh there's a couple but the main

1:34:34 ↗ reason is the lead time

1:34:36 ↗ for whoever we choose even it's it's the

1:34:38 ↗ same contractor uh to most likely get

1:34:42 ↗ new a new fleet

1:34:43 ↗ um so we're just gonna be working under

1:34:45 ↗ the assumption that there is going to be

1:34:47 ↗ a significant time gap

1:34:49 ↗ between when we decide on the contract

1:34:51 ↗ and when the contract starts so that is

1:34:53 ↗ why we're coming to you so early and

1:34:55 ↗ starting this process in 2021

1:34:58 ↗ uh and we're here today specifically uh

1:35:01 ↗ to get your feedback

1:35:03 ↗ and on five policy items

1:35:07 ↗ um jeff is gonna be i'm gonna give you

1:35:09 ↗ some background in context and then jeff

1:35:12 ↗ is gonna be leading you through those

1:35:14 ↗ and and let me tell you why he will be

1:35:16 ↗ leading those instead of me because some

1:35:18 ↗ of this some of you that know me uh know

1:35:21 ↗ that i love to give presentations so i

1:35:22 ↗ don't give give up my time easily but

1:35:25 ↗ jeff is a true true expert in solid

1:35:28 ↗ waste

1:35:29 ↗ he is helped us

1:35:32 ↗ our last contract

1:35:34 ↗ when i worked in redmond he supported us

1:35:37 ↗ there and he has supported many other

1:35:39 ↗ cities across the region and area

1:35:41 ↗ so we are

1:35:42 ↗ truly very lucky to have them uh

1:35:44 ↗ supporting us this process

1:35:47 ↗ next side please megan

1:35:51 ↗ so my turn for a little bit of

1:35:53 ↗ background

1:35:54 ↗ uh the contract with recology uh was

1:35:57 ↗ obtained through a very competitive

1:35:59 ↗ process for those who were here in 2011.

1:36:02 ↗ uh clean scapes now ecology

1:36:05 ↗ was rapidly expanding at that time and

1:36:09 ↗ aggressively competing for our

1:36:11 ↗ work and others and they won the

1:36:13 ↗ contract

1:36:15 ↗ so that contract started in july 2012

1:36:18 ↗ i had a seven year term

1:36:21 ↗ and then two two year extensions

1:36:23 ↗ and again as i mentioned earlier

1:36:25 ↗ this contract will end

1:36:27 ↗ in june

1:36:29 ↗ 30th 2023

1:36:32 ↗ next slide please

1:36:37 ↗ of some unique elements and then some

1:36:39 ↗ normal elements of the existing contract

1:36:41 ↗ so

1:36:42 ↗ like most other east side cities

1:36:45 ↗ recology offers a weekly collection here

1:36:48 ↗ in issaquah for a broad range of

1:36:49 ↗ materials

1:36:51 ↗ embedded compostable services and

1:36:53 ↗ embedded commercial and what i mean by

1:36:55 ↗ embedded

1:36:56 ↗ is that

1:36:58 ↗ those are part of the garbage rate so

1:37:01 ↗ you're not you know they're not free but

1:37:03 ↗ you're paying them with uh your garbage

1:37:06 ↗ rate so that is often uh industry calls

1:37:08 ↗ that embedded

1:37:10 ↗ now some unique elements uh that we have

1:37:13 ↗ in our contract

1:37:15 ↗ that you know partially due to that

1:37:17 ↗ competitive spirit back in the day

1:37:19 ↗ we have the local customer service site

1:37:21 ↗ store

1:37:23 ↗ an expansive list compared to other

1:37:26 ↗ cities for recyclables collected in the

1:37:28 ↗ single family residential program

1:37:31 ↗ uh carbon neutrality provisions that

1:37:33 ↗ were contemplated in the contract

1:37:36 ↗ snow plowing service

1:37:38 ↗ and then extensive community outreach

1:37:40 ↗ and education

1:37:42 ↗ that was put into the contract

1:37:45 ↗ next slide please megan

1:37:49 ↗ and a little bit on rates uh

1:37:52 ↗ again going back to 2011 during that

1:37:55 ↗ time period i just have to remind you

1:37:57 ↗ there was heated competition

1:37:59 ↗ um there was

1:38:01 ↗ optimism

1:38:02 ↗ in 2011 for overseas markets

1:38:05 ↗ and we likely had lower profit

1:38:08 ↗ expectations among those competitors

1:38:11 ↗ and what we have found though over that

1:38:14 ↗ decade is that recent

1:38:16 ↗ contracts have rates probably 25 percent

1:38:19 ↗ higher than the contracts a decade ago

1:38:22 ↗ so that's for baseline so that that's

1:38:24 ↗ we're going to probably see a sticker

1:38:26 ↗ shock here when we come back for our new

1:38:28 ↗ rates whoever and that's whoever the

1:38:30 ↗ contractor likely is

1:38:32 ↗ so these higher rates again reflect uh

1:38:35 ↗ labor and equipment costs

1:38:37 ↗ uh lower commodity values and

1:38:39 ↗ uncertainty over commodity risk that is

1:38:41 ↗ probably one of the biggest factors as

1:38:43 ↗ we're going forward and again that's due

1:38:46 ↗ to to things such as the china national

1:38:48 ↗ sword policy

1:38:50 ↗ that really

1:38:51 ↗ uh looked very closely at the

1:38:52 ↗ contamination rate and really lowered

1:38:55 ↗ that that's a big big risk for our

1:38:57 ↗ contractors

1:38:58 ↗ uh higher processing costs for both

1:39:00 ↗ recycling and compostables

1:39:03 ↗ and you know finally higher profit

1:39:05 ↗ expectations from our contractors so all

1:39:08 ↗ these really will

1:39:10 ↗ um

1:39:11 ↗ some that we are going to be working

1:39:13 ↗ with and working with you and council as

1:39:15 ↗ we as we get our new uh new bids

1:39:19 ↗ next slide megan please

1:39:21 ↗ and then finally before we get into the

1:39:23 ↗ policy just a little bit about the

1:39:25 ↗ competitive process since this this is

1:39:27 ↗ you know a

1:39:28 ↗ uh

1:39:29 ↗ it's a two-year process of course until

1:39:31 ↗ we get the new contractor but this

1:39:33 ↗ what you see on the screen is really

1:39:34 ↗ happening over the next year

1:39:37 ↗ um so later this month we are going to

1:39:40 ↗ be

1:39:41 ↗ sending out what's called a an rfp

1:39:44 ↗ request for proposal

1:39:46 ↗ um

1:39:47 ↗ and it's an industry review draft so

1:39:49 ↗ very draft it's going to be based on

1:39:51 ↗ what you hear tonight

1:39:53 ↗ so that all known contractors have the

1:39:56 ↗ opportunity to review it and give us

1:39:59 ↗ give us feedback right so so what you

1:40:02 ↗ you know the policies we're talking

1:40:03 ↗ about today and what

1:40:05 ↗ the contractors see in this initial

1:40:07 ↗ draft may change drastically after we

1:40:09 ↗ talk with you after we talk with council

1:40:12 ↗ and after we get feedback so this is

1:40:14 ↗ really step one

1:40:16 ↗ so then after that what we can call the

1:40:20 ↗ industry review draft

1:40:22 ↗ gather ourselves and then and then come

1:40:24 ↗ up with our final rfp

1:40:27 ↗ uh that will put out

1:40:29 ↗ for the market

1:40:31 ↗ and that's going to occur in first

1:40:32 ↗ fourth quarter this year

1:40:35 ↗ we'll get those back from hopefully a

1:40:37 ↗ wide range of qualified

1:40:39 ↗ um

1:40:40 ↗ contractors and some of them you see on

1:40:42 ↗ the screen here

1:40:44 ↗ and we're going to have a very uh

1:40:46 ↗ combination of qualitative and

1:40:48 ↗ quantitative scoring to determine uh the

1:40:50 ↗ highest proponent

1:40:52 ↗ and we're going to be again bringing

1:40:54 ↗ that information back to you and back to

1:40:57 ↗ city council so this will probably take

1:41:00 ↗ you know at least one or two

1:41:01 ↗ conversations with you and at least two

1:41:03 ↗ study sessions with council

1:41:05 ↗ to look over the contract to lift over

1:41:07 ↗ the bids and then come up with a

1:41:09 ↗ decision

1:41:11 ↗ and then we will finally like i

1:41:12 ↗ mentioned earlier today execute the

1:41:14 ↗ contract uh probably in july of 22

1:41:18 ↗ and then have that again year lead time

1:41:21 ↗ for them to prepare their equipment and

1:41:23 ↗ fleet uh to get ready to roll on our

1:41:26 ↗ streets on july 1st 2023

1:41:29 ↗ next slide megan

1:41:33 ↗ jeff is going to take over from here and

1:41:36 ↗ talk about our priority policy options

1:41:38 ↗ and again i'll just let you know the

1:41:40 ↗ five here going to talk about fleet

1:41:43 ↗ of the frequency of residential

1:41:44 ↗ collection a range of recyclables

1:41:47 ↗ collected

1:41:48 ↗ outreach and education structure and

1:41:50 ↗ carbon footprint and i will also mention

1:41:52 ↗ we had a couple great questions

1:41:54 ↗ um prior to this meeting that will will

1:41:57 ↗ weave in those answers as well

1:42:00 ↗ and the way jeff is going to go through

1:42:02 ↗ this is he's going to talk about some of

1:42:03 ↗ the options

1:42:05 ↗ and then let you know our staff

1:42:06 ↗ recommendation in this time

1:42:08 ↗ and megan i'll leave it up to you we can

1:42:10 ↗ take questions after each

1:42:13 ↗ policy option

1:42:14 ↗ go to the end or a combination of both

1:42:16 ↗ whatever people feel more comfortable

1:42:18 ↗ with i think would work just fine

1:42:23 ↗ so let's go to the next slide and see if

1:42:25 ↗ jeff can join us online

1:42:28 ↗ this is megan i'll just chime in

1:42:31 ↗ yes i'll just chime in for a quick

1:42:32 ↗ moment just to let everyone know that um

1:42:34 ↗ jamie our chair has lost wi-fi but he is

1:42:36 ↗ with us by phone um so we can go ahead

1:42:40 ↗ through i think

1:42:42 ↗ we if if people have burning questions

1:42:44 ↗ during the presentation you can go ahead

1:42:46 ↗ um otherwise we can go

1:42:48 ↗ uh just do the the questions and

1:42:50 ↗ comments at the end and i now see jamie

1:42:52 ↗ joining us here uh so hand it back over

1:42:54 ↗ to you jeff

1:42:56 ↗ okay

1:42:57 ↗ um so

1:42:59 ↗ before i dive into these uh five

1:43:02 ↗ elements i did want to add one thing uh

1:43:05 ↗ and that is a just a description of what

1:43:07 ↗ we're doing in the rfp process

1:43:10 ↗ we are trying to come up with a base

1:43:12 ↗ contract that includes the most likely

1:43:15 ↗ scenarios for all these different

1:43:17 ↗ options

1:43:19 ↗ so that we can float that by the

1:43:21 ↗ industry

1:43:22 ↗ and get a feeling for if they feel

1:43:24 ↗ anything is particularly unrealistic or

1:43:27 ↗ uh not feasible or skews the competitive

1:43:29 ↗ process or whatever else

1:43:31 ↗ and then we're going to have a whole

1:43:32 ↗ bunch of alternatives and so many of

1:43:34 ↗ these uh

1:43:36 ↗ decisions uh are two-sided and whatever

1:43:40 ↗ is decided to be in the base package

1:43:41 ↗ will more than likely have the opposite

1:43:44 ↗ be

1:43:45 ↗ in the alternative so you'll see that as

1:43:47 ↗ we go through there for example if

1:43:49 ↗ electric vehicles are included

1:43:52 ↗ in the base contract we'll also ask what

1:43:55 ↗ the price what the rate impacts for a

1:43:59 ↗ natural gas fleet would be

1:44:01 ↗ so we'll get the information regardless

1:44:03 ↗ because we always want to have a

1:44:05 ↗ fallback position in case numbers coming

1:44:07 ↗ too high or we have to go back with a

1:44:09 ↗ different alternative

1:44:11 ↗ and so i like to use the rfp process as

1:44:15 ↗ a price discovery process so that

1:44:18 ↗ we can really uh tailor the contract at

1:44:21 ↗ the end no matter what happens so i just

1:44:23 ↗ want to explain that because that will

1:44:24 ↗ come up a few times

1:44:27 ↗ so our five areas we're going to be

1:44:29 ↗ looking at are

1:44:31 ↗ what the trucks should look like or what

1:44:32 ↗ kind of fuel they run on

1:44:34 ↗ uh the frequency of residential

1:44:36 ↗ collection that single family

1:44:37 ↗ residential by the way

1:44:40 ↗ the range recyclables collected uh and

1:44:42 ↗ then discuss outreach and education and

1:44:44 ↗ how this contract falls into broader

1:44:48 ↗ sustainability and even

1:44:50 ↗ waste reduction and

1:44:52 ↗ waste management policy

1:44:54 ↗ uh and then lastly the carbon footprint

1:44:58 ↗ so next slide please

1:45:01 ↗ um

1:45:02 ↗ so the first thing is the fleet

1:45:05 ↗ um

1:45:06 ↗ the timing of this rfp is a little

1:45:09 ↗ awkward uh if you had another two years

1:45:12 ↗ on your existing contract

1:45:15 ↗ i think you could just go out

1:45:16 ↗ wholeheartedly and go for an electric uh

1:45:19 ↗ collection vehicle option and have it be

1:45:21 ↗ feasible and probably cost effective

1:45:23 ↗ right now we're in kind of a

1:45:28 ↗ transitional time where there's a whole

1:45:30 ↗ lot of competitors in the field making

1:45:32 ↗ very sized vehicles and

1:45:35 ↗ uh they haven't been widely adopted yet

1:45:37 ↗ and so there isn't necessarily a lot of

1:45:39 ↗ local experience other than just um very

1:45:42 ↗ single truck pilot projects

1:45:44 ↗ and so um

1:45:47 ↗ we are in the unenviable situation of

1:45:49 ↗ looking at a 10-year contract and having

1:45:51 ↗ to make decisions now and then have the

1:45:54 ↗ haulers buy equipment for that running

1:45:56 ↗ that contract and uh garbage trucks cost

1:45:59 ↗ about five hundred thousand dollars a

1:46:01 ↗ piece

1:46:02 ↗ and so if you have a

1:46:04 ↗ 12 or 14 truck operation that ends up

1:46:06 ↗ being uh more than a little pocket

1:46:08 ↗ change and so you can't just throw those

1:46:10 ↗ vehicles away in three years and decide

1:46:11 ↗ you want to go to electric

1:46:14 ↗ and then spend that money and more all

1:46:15 ↗ over again because you also you not only

1:46:18 ↗ need the vehicles but you need the

1:46:19 ↗ charging or the fueling infrastructure

1:46:22 ↗ so

1:46:23 ↗ we looked at there's there's basically

1:46:25 ↗ two options out there there's one trying

1:46:27 ↗ to figure out some way to get uh

1:46:29 ↗ issaquah to be at the forefront or the

1:46:31 ↗ bleeding edge

1:46:33 ↗ of electric uh vehicles for

1:46:36 ↗ the three streams of collection

1:46:38 ↗ and then the fallback position is to do

1:46:41 ↗ renewable natural gas or or basically

1:46:43 ↗ some variation of cng

1:46:46 ↗ um those seem to be the two main options

1:46:49 ↗ uh diesel could be in the mix but i

1:46:51 ↗ don't think that's necessarily the

1:46:52 ↗ direction you want to go in

1:46:54 ↗ so

1:46:56 ↗ what i had proposed initially was

1:46:59 ↗ why don't we see what the haulers say

1:47:01 ↗ about using uh existing trucks for a

1:47:03 ↗ couple years

1:47:05 ↗ and then

1:47:06 ↗ pushing the the recapitalization of the

1:47:09 ↗ fleet out by a couple years

1:47:11 ↗ and then come back and see uh if we can

1:47:14 ↗ buy a new fleet

1:47:16 ↗ they would buy the new fleet

1:47:18 ↗ two years into the contract

1:47:20 ↗ and then have a 10-year contract using

1:47:22 ↗ that new fleet

1:47:24 ↗ and

1:47:25 ↗ we would say that fleet would be

1:47:26 ↗ electric it wouldn't necessarily be

1:47:28 ↗ exactly the same there are a lot of

1:47:30 ↗ different alternatives that are out

1:47:31 ↗ there there could be smaller feeder

1:47:33 ↗ trucks that are kind of partial delivery

1:47:35 ↗ truck size that are feeding larger

1:47:37 ↗ trucks that go to the transfer stations

1:47:38 ↗ or recycling facilities we don't know

1:47:40 ↗ what the haulers will actually propose

1:47:42 ↗ it's still too early

1:47:44 ↗ but basically would say

1:47:46 ↗ we will use this phased approach

1:47:49 ↗ to just

1:47:50 ↗ make do for a couple years and then

1:47:52 ↗ really try to go out and um

1:47:55 ↗ go electric and if that doesn't work the

1:47:57 ↗ fallback position is to go ahead and get

1:47:59 ↗ a new uh natural gas fleet

1:48:02 ↗ so hi jeff this is megan just a reminder

1:48:05 ↗ um for when to switch slides so i'm on

1:48:07 ↗ the staff recommendation for a fleet

1:48:09 ↗ slide now

1:48:10 ↗ oh okay then i can't see that yeah i

1:48:12 ↗ actually started bleeding into the uh

1:48:15 ↗ the recommendation when i was talking

1:48:17 ↗ about the phased approach there sorry

1:48:18 ↗ about that

1:48:19 ↗ ambiguity

1:48:22 ↗ excuse me

1:48:23 ↗ i made the mistake of doing some

1:48:24 ↗ fiberglassing before this call so

1:48:27 ↗ i have a

1:48:28 ↗ cop on my asthma um

1:48:31 ↗ so yes the

1:48:33 ↗ our initial recommendation to go out in

1:48:35 ↗ the rp that goes for industry review is

1:48:37 ↗ to do that phased approach and see what

1:48:39 ↗ the industry says and in the best of all

1:48:42 ↗ worlds you might have industry come back

1:48:44 ↗ and say look we can do electric right

1:48:46 ↗ from the start of the contract and it'll

1:48:48 ↗ even be cheaper or something like that

1:48:50 ↗ and if that's the case we'll change the

1:48:52 ↗ rfp

1:48:53 ↗ to go that direction if not

1:48:56 ↗ they might say we just can't even run

1:48:58 ↗ old trucks anymore we can't do electric

1:49:00 ↗ right now we don't want to do it we

1:49:02 ↗ don't want to take the risk and then

1:49:03 ↗ we'll just have to respond accordingly

1:49:05 ↗ so uh it's not set in stone but that's

1:49:08 ↗ the recommendation we have for for going

1:49:10 ↗ forward to the industry review process

1:49:13 ↗ to basically try to get an electric

1:49:14 ↗ fleet

1:49:15 ↗ at some point soon

1:49:18 ↗ next slide p please

1:49:21 ↗ and this um the frequency of residential

1:49:23 ↗ collection

1:49:25 ↗ this is a difficult one

1:49:27 ↗ in that

1:49:29 ↗ common with a lot of the other east side

1:49:31 ↗ cities

1:49:32 ↗ issaquah has weekly collection of all

1:49:35 ↗ streams and so weekly garbage on the

1:49:38 ↗ single-family residential side you've

1:49:39 ↗ got single-family garbage you've got

1:49:41 ↗ single family composting and you've got

1:49:42 ↗ single family recyclables

1:49:45 ↗ that leads to really high diversion

1:49:46 ↗ rates people don't need to remember in

1:49:48 ↗ every other week schedule for their

1:49:50 ↗ recycling or their composting

1:49:52 ↗ it's easy to use it's there every week

1:49:55 ↗ you don't have to worry about missing a

1:49:57 ↗ week and when it would come next uh you

1:49:58 ↗ don't have to worry about if it snows

1:50:00 ↗ because you're just gonna have

1:50:01 ↗ collection the next week hopefully

1:50:03 ↗ um so it's an easy system but if i

1:50:06 ↗ recall from the reports i think that

1:50:08 ↗ system is using about 100 000 gallons of

1:50:10 ↗ fuel a year

1:50:13 ↗ and a lot of other cities in king county

1:50:14 ↗ particularly in south king county

1:50:17 ↗ have every other wheat collection

1:50:20 ↗ often for compost and recycling but also

1:50:23 ↗ sometimes for uh for garbage too

1:50:26 ↗ uh for example olympia and bellingham

1:50:29 ↗ have both had every of the wheat

1:50:30 ↗ collection for a long time bellingham

1:50:32 ↗ has a variety of options but most people

1:50:34 ↗ are on every other week

1:50:36 ↗ so um there's a conundrum of

1:50:40 ↗ what do you do with this do you have

1:50:41 ↗ weekly collection and have

1:50:44 ↗ high diversion rates uh because it's

1:50:46 ↗ such an easy system to use but it burns

1:50:48 ↗ a lot of fuel

1:50:50 ↗ or do you try to move in a direction

1:50:51 ↗ that has one or more of the streams

1:50:53 ↗ collected every other week

1:50:55 ↗ and uh there are some side benefits to

1:50:57 ↗ that too uh you know you get fewer

1:51:00 ↗ trucks running in neighborhoods

1:51:03 ↗ and fewer conflicts between school

1:51:05 ↗ schedules and

1:51:07 ↗ collection vehicles in the middle of the

1:51:08 ↗ day and and whatnot

1:51:11 ↗ there are some complications with every

1:51:12 ↗ of the wheat collection not only the

1:51:14 ↗ scheduling but also some concerns have

1:51:17 ↗ been raised about

1:51:18 ↗ how bear containers would uh work into

1:51:21 ↗ that and how you would deal with

1:51:23 ↗ uh odors and uh attracting nuisance and

1:51:26 ↗ animals and whether you would have to

1:51:28 ↗ distribute beer containers for all three

1:51:30 ↗ streams for all residents or for just

1:51:32 ↗ some

1:51:33 ↗ so there's some some complications there

1:51:35 ↗ there's also the possibility of having

1:51:37 ↗ variations where different things are

1:51:39 ↗ weekly and different and some other

1:51:41 ↗ things are every other week

1:51:43 ↗ so um next slide please

1:51:46 ↗ so our recommendation is for the base

1:51:49 ↗ contract to continue with the status quo

1:51:52 ↗ of weekly collection

1:51:53 ↗ and then look for alternative rates um

1:51:56 ↗ in the you know basically look for

1:51:59 ↗ uh what we would call the sustainable

1:52:00 ↗ collection that's actually what the city

1:52:02 ↗ issaquah called it 10 years ago when we

1:52:04 ↗ did the last rfp was sustainable

1:52:06 ↗ collection was everything was every

1:52:07 ↗ other week

1:52:09 ↗ and

1:52:10 ↗ we could also ask for separate rates for

1:52:13 ↗ what would be the rate reduction if we

1:52:15 ↗ went to every other week recycling and

1:52:17 ↗ every other week composting on their own

1:52:20 ↗ so our recommendation is basically to

1:52:22 ↗ just get all the numbers and then

1:52:25 ↗ see where we end up once the base rates

1:52:27 ↗ come

1:52:28 ↗ in next slide please

1:52:34 ↗ excuse me again um

1:52:37 ↗ so

1:52:38 ↗ this is a fun one uh because i got my

1:52:40 ↗ start in uh recycling at a non-profit

1:52:43 ↗ recycler

1:52:44 ↗ and um

1:52:46 ↗ we spent a lot of time talking about

1:52:47 ↗ philosophy and i included some of that

1:52:49 ↗ conversation in the staff report

1:52:52 ↗ but i i'd like to start there because

1:52:54 ↗ there's two competing visions of

1:52:56 ↗ recycling

1:52:57 ↗ out in the world

1:52:59 ↗ one vision which i could call the

1:53:00 ↗ seattle vision is to collect everything

1:53:03 ↗ that might possibly ever be recycling or

1:53:06 ↗ even some things that aren't recyclable

1:53:07 ↗ that just make it easier for people to

1:53:09 ↗ participate so it makes it less complex

1:53:12 ↗ to prepare and separate materials

1:53:15 ↗ so they have an incredibly wide range of

1:53:18 ↗ recyclables that they accept

1:53:20 ↗ um and they know that a certain

1:53:22 ↗ percentage of them will just be thrown

1:53:23 ↗ away

1:53:24 ↗ they also know that a certain percentage

1:53:26 ↗ of them will contaminate other good

1:53:27 ↗ recyclables and those will be thrown

1:53:29 ↗ away but the feeling is that they will

1:53:32 ↗ get more participation

1:53:34 ↗ and have an easier system to use by

1:53:36 ↗ doing that

1:53:37 ↗ um

1:53:38 ↗ and that has to merit um i would say the

1:53:42 ↗ downside of that is that it

1:53:45 ↗ uh can backfire in that knowing that

1:53:48 ↗ some of your recyclables are thrown away

1:53:50 ↗ uh kind of poisons the well in that

1:53:53 ↗ people have put the effort into

1:53:55 ↗ preparing recyclables and then they

1:53:56 ↗ don't really have an assurance that that

1:53:58 ↗ material is going to get recycled for a

1:54:00 ↗ commitment that's going to get recycled

1:54:02 ↗ and then you end up in the newspaper

1:54:04 ↗ for people to read the newspaper

1:54:07 ↗ with all these articles about you know

1:54:09 ↗ recycling's a sham or you know they're

1:54:10 ↗ just throwing stuff away anyway

1:54:13 ↗ so

1:54:14 ↗ that's one vision uh and then the other

1:54:17 ↗ vision is um collect only what is

1:54:19 ↗ actually currently recyclable

1:54:22 ↗ and in that case

1:54:25 ↗ that means basically

1:54:27 ↗ all paper fiber

1:54:29 ↗ you'd be looking at all rigid bottles

1:54:31 ↗ and cans

1:54:33 ↗ and uh

1:54:36 ↗ aluminum cans and tin cans and

1:54:39 ↗ basically those core materials you know

1:54:41 ↗ cardboard and such

1:54:42 ↗ and fats oil and greases and motor oil

1:54:44 ↗ but you wouldn't be collecting mixed

1:54:46 ↗ plastics the 327s

1:54:49 ↗ you wouldn't be collecting polycoated

1:54:51 ↗ cartons which aren't recyclable

1:54:53 ↗ typically or pvc pipe or some of these

1:54:56 ↗ other things

1:54:58 ↗ and you'd just be focusing on the core

1:54:59 ↗ materials and the advantage of that is

1:55:01 ↗ when somebody puts the effort into

1:55:02 ↗ preparing the material they know that it

1:55:04 ↗ will be recycled it's going to get

1:55:06 ↗ processed the processing is going to be

1:55:08 ↗ cleaner there's going to be less

1:55:09 ↗ residual there's going to be less

1:55:10 ↗ cross-contamination of recyclables

1:55:13 ↗ that are going to have the bad

1:55:15 ↗ recyclables or non-recyclables

1:55:17 ↗ contaminating the materials that

1:55:19 ↗ otherwise would have been recycled if

1:55:21 ↗ they hadn't been mixed

1:55:23 ↗ and

1:55:24 ↗ an interesting point's been made on that

1:55:26 ↗ too

1:55:28 ↗ that

1:55:29 ↗ one of the haulers has has had is one of

1:55:31 ↗ their basic messages they give to local

1:55:34 ↗ governments is that if we collect a

1:55:36 ↗ smaller range of materials and just

1:55:38 ↗ focus on increasing the capture rate

1:55:40 ↗ which is the percentage of the materials

1:55:42 ↗ in a household that actually make it

1:55:44 ↗ into the recycling container

1:55:47 ↗ we increase the capture rate of

1:55:49 ↗ newspaper mixed paper cardboard

1:55:52 ↗ rigid containers

1:55:53 ↗ one twos ones and twos

1:55:55 ↗ and all that those materials we can

1:55:58 ↗ actually generate more we can pull more

1:56:00 ↗ tonnage out of the garbage stream that

1:56:01 ↗ way than we can trying to include the

1:56:04 ↗ more esoteric materials

1:56:06 ↗ so

1:56:07 ↗ what i would say is is they

1:56:09 ↗ are very different visions of what the

1:56:11 ↗ curbside recycling

1:56:13 ↗ program should look like and you have

1:56:15 ↗ both of those systems in king county

1:56:18 ↗ which is one of the things that really

1:56:21 ↗ irritates the county because they've

1:56:23 ↗ been trying for years to regionalize the

1:56:26 ↗ messaging on recycling and what is

1:56:28 ↗ recyclable and what is not recyclable

1:56:30 ↗ and every city has a different range of

1:56:32 ↗ recyclables and

1:56:34 ↗ it's been a point of frustration for

1:56:36 ↗ them

1:56:37 ↗ so

1:56:38 ↗ next slide please

1:56:41 ↗ our recommendation

1:56:42 ↗ is to in the base contract go ahead and

1:56:45 ↗ include a more limited range of

1:56:47 ↗ materials

1:56:48 ↗ and uh then that would not be the mixed

1:56:52 ↗ plastics for example um or the plastic

1:56:55 ↗ films or some of those other materials

1:56:58 ↗ but what we would do is shift more of

1:57:00 ↗ those materials like the propane

1:57:01 ↗ canisters um

1:57:03 ↗ and

1:57:04 ↗ polystyrene blocks things like that over

1:57:07 ↗ to a drop-off but still keep a store or

1:57:10 ↗ a drop-off center in the in the

1:57:12 ↗ city and then those materials could be

1:57:14 ↗ self-hauled

1:57:15 ↗ and uh kept out of the recycling stream

1:57:17 ↗ as much as possible and also not

1:57:20 ↗ requiring a separate truck to run around

1:57:22 ↗ and just do on-call services

1:57:24 ↗ and

1:57:26 ↗ then would basically shift those

1:57:28 ↗ materials to drop off

1:57:29 ↗ and then get rid of some of the

1:57:31 ↗ materials that are completely

1:57:32 ↗ problematic in the um

1:57:35 ↗ for processing

1:57:37 ↗ and uh we'd see what the industry said

1:57:40 ↗ and we will directly ask them the

1:57:42 ↗ question so

1:57:43 ↗ does this work for you if you're allowed

1:57:45 ↗ to just propose collecting

1:57:48 ↗ additional five or six materials of your

1:57:50 ↗ choosing that will work with your

1:57:51 ↗ processing system is that a good way to

1:57:54 ↗ handle this and we'll see what their

1:57:55 ↗ answers are and we may be adjusting the

1:57:57 ↗ final rfp to give us more than one

1:58:00 ↗ option

1:58:01 ↗ on which of these directions to go in

1:58:04 ↗ so that's uh that's that uh next slide

1:58:07 ↗ please

1:58:09 ↗ next policy option is education and

1:58:11 ↗ outreach structure

1:58:13 ↗ um this is basically um

1:58:16 ↗ issue that a lot of cities face uh in

1:58:19 ↗ that

1:58:20 ↗ when the haulers propose they write the

1:58:23 ↗ proposals they generally promise

1:58:27 ↗ the moon and all the planets and the sun

1:58:29 ↗ of what they can do for environmental

1:58:30 ↗ education

1:58:32 ↗ and um usually it's been very hard for

1:58:34 ↗ cities to actually get performance there

1:58:36 ↗ and what i've

1:58:38 ↗ generally worked with cities on is

1:58:39 ↗ trying to

1:58:41 ↗ identify which promotion education items

1:58:44 ↗ are specifically service related where

1:58:46 ↗ the contractor will be able to just

1:58:49 ↗ provide the basic information customers

1:58:51 ↗ the the web interface mobile app

1:58:54 ↗ whatever is required to

1:58:56 ↗ communicate the services

1:58:57 ↗ get people to sign up for services

1:59:00 ↗ and

1:59:00 ↗ properly participate in the program

1:59:03 ↗ and then the city

1:59:04 ↗ would have either staff or a specialist

1:59:07 ↗ contractor that would go do

1:59:09 ↗ other functions related to waste

1:59:11 ↗ reduction for example and purchasing

1:59:13 ↗ decisions

1:59:14 ↗ and

1:59:16 ↗ actually even to the point of signing up

1:59:19 ↗ uh commercial businesses or encouraging

1:59:22 ↗ businesses and institutions and

1:59:24 ↗ multi-family customers

1:59:26 ↗ to really push materials out of the

1:59:28 ↗ garbage stream into the different

1:59:30 ↗ composting and recycling streams

1:59:33 ↗ and that

1:59:34 ↗ the the hired

1:59:36 ↗ specialist contractor or the city staff

1:59:39 ↗ would not have the same internal

1:59:40 ↗ conflict that garbage hauler has

1:59:42 ↗ one of the conflicts they have is that

1:59:44 ↗ the garbage system actually funds the

1:59:46 ↗ entire recycling composting and

1:59:48 ↗ education system

1:59:50 ↗ so the more successful you are

1:59:52 ↗ at going out to businesses in particular

1:59:55 ↗ and

1:59:56 ↗ getting the downsides or garbage

1:59:57 ↗ container to get more materials into

1:59:59 ↗ those other streams that are being paid

2:00:00 ↗ for by the garbage stream

2:00:02 ↗ they the contractor gets less revenue

2:00:05 ↗ all the time having more expenses for

2:00:07 ↗ the education

2:00:08 ↗ and for some reason they seem to have a

2:00:10 ↗ lack of enthusiasm to do that

2:00:13 ↗ if the contractor or city staff that's

2:00:16 ↗ doing that function is actually working

2:00:18 ↗ for a different objective which is to

2:00:19 ↗ increase diversion

2:00:21 ↗ and waste reduction you won't have that

2:00:23 ↗ same internal conflict and it also means

2:00:26 ↗ the city has a lot more control over the

2:00:27 ↗ performance of it the quality of

2:00:29 ↗ services being provided

2:00:32 ↗ so next

2:00:33 ↗ page please

2:00:35 ↗ our recommendation unsurprisingly is

2:00:38 ↗ to have the collection contractor do the

2:00:40 ↗ service related education and everything

2:00:44 ↗ else to be

2:00:45 ↗ done either by city staff or a separate

2:00:47 ↗ contractor

2:00:49 ↗ and i would add to that that that could

2:00:51 ↗ still be funded through the garbage

2:00:53 ↗ collection contract

2:00:54 ↗ through an administrative fee structure

2:00:56 ↗ so the funding could be tied to garbage

2:00:58 ↗ but it would be

2:01:00 ↗ run through the city with the city uh

2:01:03 ↗ managing and

2:01:04 ↗ reviewing performance on those functions

2:01:08 ↗ uh next page please

2:01:11 ↗ um

2:01:12 ↗ so this is the carbon footprint

2:01:14 ↗ um

2:01:16 ↗ so one of the uh

2:01:18 ↗ sticky questions here is going to be

2:01:21 ↗ you know where does collection frequency

2:01:23 ↗ tie into the city's overall objectives

2:01:26 ↗ even if people are much more comfortable

2:01:28 ↗ having weekly collection

2:01:31 ↗ and at the high level of service

2:01:33 ↗ how do you approach the topic that

2:01:35 ↗ running those trucks around no matter

2:01:36 ↗ what fuel they use

2:01:38 ↗ is using resources

2:01:40 ↗ and it's not necessary to use those

2:01:42 ↗ resources you can get by with every

2:01:44 ↗ other recollection of any or all of the

2:01:46 ↗ streams

2:01:48 ↗ so do you

2:01:51 ↗ actually just attack that head-on and

2:01:52 ↗ say look we're going to reduce the

2:01:54 ↗ service frequency even though it's

2:01:55 ↗ inconvenient

2:01:56 ↗ um

2:01:57 ↗ or do you say we're going to continue

2:01:59 ↗ weekly collection

2:02:00 ↗ and maybe we're going to buy carbon

2:02:02 ↗ credits

2:02:03 ↗ the contractor will and we'll add that

2:02:05 ↗ to the rates just to compensate for the

2:02:07 ↗ fact that we're running a very energy

2:02:08 ↗ efficient system

2:02:11 ↗ so the other option we have is

2:02:15 ↗ basically when we're putting together

2:02:16 ↗ the contract is really go through

2:02:18 ↗ everything that's there globally and try

2:02:20 ↗ to keep in mind

2:02:22 ↗ uh all the energy inputs and all the

2:02:24 ↗ resource inputs that go into uh doing

2:02:27 ↗ the collection that that's things as

2:02:30 ↗ simple as when you have a call-in system

2:02:32 ↗ say for um polystyrene blocks or

2:02:34 ↗ textiles or whatever

2:02:36 ↗ and the contractor runs a truck around a

2:02:38 ↗ pickup truck or even a bigger truck

2:02:40 ↗ to pick up

2:02:42 ↗ one household and 20

2:02:44 ↗ that's extremely energy-intensive so

2:02:47 ↗ maybe that actually drives you to a

2:02:49 ↗ decision to to emphasize more of having

2:02:52 ↗ a local drop-off center where people can

2:02:54 ↗ drop off materials once or twice a year

2:02:57 ↗ when they're running other errands and

2:02:58 ↗ the with a very small incremental amount

2:03:00 ↗ of resource use

2:03:02 ↗ so

2:03:03 ↗ i guess our decision is you know maybe

2:03:05 ↗ that is actually a viable alternative is

2:03:07 ↗ to actually just really pay attention to

2:03:08 ↗ that when we're specifying the contract

2:03:10 ↗ and come up with as efficient a contract

2:03:12 ↗ as we can

2:03:14 ↗ while at the same time not increasing

2:03:17 ↗ rates just to buy carbon offsets so

2:03:20 ↗ that is again another one of those

2:03:22 ↗ issues where

2:03:24 ↗ we basically have to muddle our way

2:03:26 ↗ through

2:03:26 ↗ and do the best we can but also

2:03:30 ↗ keeping our eye on customer rates

2:03:32 ↗ and so next

2:03:34 ↗ page please

2:03:35 ↗ our recommendation is to actually just

2:03:37 ↗ go through the contract and and minimize

2:03:40 ↗ resource use as much as we can

2:03:42 ↗ and not include

2:03:44 ↗ uh additional carbon offset fees that

2:03:46 ↗ the contractor would pay and then pass

2:03:48 ↗ through the rates

2:03:50 ↗ that said i think we could ask as an rfp

2:03:53 ↗ alternative just ask them based on your

2:03:55 ↗ proposal

2:03:57 ↗ and your use of carbon um

2:04:00 ↗ what would the increase in customer

2:04:02 ↗ rates be and get that number so we at

2:04:04 ↗ least have it it would be an interesting

2:04:06 ↗ number to see so that would be my

2:04:08 ↗ recommendation that i actually didn't

2:04:09 ↗ talk with gary before but you know let's

2:04:11 ↗ just throw it in there as an alternative

2:04:12 ↗ and see what the numbers are

2:04:15 ↗ so next page please

2:04:17 ↗ so um

2:04:19 ↗ here we are

2:04:21 ↗ those are the five items uh should i do

2:04:24 ↗ you want to take this over gary or do

2:04:26 ↗ you want me to run through each one of

2:04:27 ↗ these in mc i think we can take this

2:04:29 ↗ together jeff with megan 2 we just uh

2:04:31 ↗ can open this up uh

2:04:33 ↗ megan what you if you want us to run

2:04:35 ↗ through each one or we can just take

2:04:37 ↗ questions now i think jeff's going to be

2:04:39 ↗ the heavyweight on answering them uh

2:04:42 ↗ but

2:04:43 ↗ would you like us to proceed one by one

2:04:45 ↗ or just take questions as a whole on all

2:04:47 ↗ five policies

2:04:50 ↗ i'll leave that up to jerry or if you

2:04:52 ↗ guys have a recommend sorry

2:04:54 ↗ jamie

2:04:56 ↗ to decide

2:04:57 ↗ and uh but if you guys have a

2:04:58 ↗ recommendation either way

2:05:02 ↗ well it might be quickest just to go

2:05:03 ↗ through the list because the

2:05:05 ↗ linear about it

2:05:07 ↗ why don't you yeah once you once you

2:05:08 ↗ take uh take the lead on going through

2:05:10 ↗ jeff i'd appreciate it thank you okay

2:05:12 ↗ sweet um are we going in the right

2:05:15 ↗ direction with um trying to figure out a

2:05:17 ↗ way to get electric vehicles in or

2:05:20 ↗ uh is there something else we haven't

2:05:21 ↗ thought of

2:05:24 ↗ i just this is jamie um

2:05:26 ↗ i was wondering if we could just maybe

2:05:28 ↗ pull up the slide that you have and

2:05:30 ↗ maybe it's megan doing that that is

2:05:31 ↗ specific just so we have more context

2:05:35 ↗ megan will have to do that

2:05:39 ↗ um and while she's doing that she um can

2:05:42 ↗ go ahead

2:05:43 ↗ what's your question thank you um yeah

2:05:45 ↗ richie speaking i was just wondering

2:05:46 ↗ like overall what's the

2:05:48 ↗ uh main

2:05:49 ↗ necessity for um

2:05:51 ↗ getting a new fleet at the end of each

2:05:54 ↗ contract

2:05:56 ↗ oh um there's a couple

2:05:58 ↗ a couple answers to that one is uh

2:06:02 ↗ actually the

2:06:04 ↗ well let's

2:06:05 ↗ let's go with the easiest one first um

2:06:07 ↗ after 10 years the trucks are really

2:06:10 ↗ pretty worn out and so what ends up

2:06:11 ↗ happening is they start leaking more

2:06:14 ↗ fluids

2:06:16 ↗ that are almost unavoidable so you end

2:06:18 ↗ up having more cleanups and more calls

2:06:20 ↗ and more contract management issues uh

2:06:23 ↗ and then there's also more downtime

2:06:25 ↗ and so the service gets less reliable

2:06:27 ↗ and then the conversations i've had

2:06:30 ↗ with the haulers

2:06:32 ↗ they remind me of lessons from long ago

2:06:35 ↗ that i had which is running an old fleet

2:06:37 ↗ is actually more expensive than running

2:06:38 ↗ a new fleet

2:06:40 ↗ in that

2:06:41 ↗ the number of spare trucks you need and

2:06:43 ↗ the downtime and the chaos that

2:06:45 ↗ breakdowns create is

2:06:48 ↗ is far more expensive than just writing

2:06:49 ↗ the check and having reliable equipment

2:06:52 ↗ and as a result

2:06:54 ↗ at least two of the haulers that i've

2:06:55 ↗ talked to

2:06:56 ↗ really don't want to run old fleets

2:06:59 ↗ they want to have on their trucks on a

2:07:01 ↗ 10-year replacement cycle and not extend

2:07:03 ↗ too far beyond that

2:07:05 ↗ the other answer is that it levels the

2:07:08 ↗ playing field on the competitive process

2:07:11 ↗ because the fact of the matter is recall

2:07:13 ↗ georgie has the fleet here

2:07:15 ↗ even under the the hybrid approach that

2:07:18 ↗ um we're talking about where they can

2:07:20 ↗ run their trucks for another two years

2:07:23 ↗ uh and then buy a new fleet that gives

2:07:25 ↗ them a competitive advantage regardless

2:07:28 ↗ and

2:07:29 ↗ yet

2:07:29 ↗ the other haulers will have a hard time

2:07:32 ↗ matching that but they can

2:07:34 ↗ but generally when you put out a

2:07:35 ↗ contract if you just require new trucks

2:07:37 ↗ everybody's on a level playing field

2:07:39 ↗ everybody's got a got to go get a new

2:07:41 ↗ fleet

2:07:42 ↗ everybody's starting from ground zero

2:07:44 ↗ and

2:07:45 ↗ it makes it

2:07:47 ↗ a lot more bulletproof in terms of

2:07:49 ↗ challenges to the rfe

2:07:56 ↗ thank you jeff um

2:07:58 ↗ and it looks you have a question

2:08:01 ↗ curious do you know what happens to the

2:08:03 ↗ old fleets

2:08:06 ↗ all bad things

2:08:08 ↗ they

2:08:09 ↗ um

2:08:10 ↗ typically if if they feel that there is

2:08:13 ↗ any life left to the old fleet

2:08:16 ↗ they'll uh put it in their county

2:08:18 ↗ operations

2:08:19 ↗ but only for a couple or three years

2:08:22 ↗ and then they tend to cut them up and uh

2:08:24 ↗ or at least the bodies because they

2:08:26 ↗ don't want to put them on the

2:08:28 ↗ market and then have some recycler buy

2:08:31 ↗ them and start to compete with them with

2:08:34 ↗ their own equipment

2:08:35 ↗ so

2:08:36 ↗ um it just depends on on whether the

2:08:39 ↗ particular hauler has a different

2:08:41 ↗ operation close by they could get

2:08:43 ↗ another couple years of life you know

2:08:45 ↗ even as a spare truck or something or

2:08:47 ↗ whether

2:08:48 ↗ they don't and they just don't want to

2:08:50 ↗ use they don't want to run them anymore

2:08:51 ↗ because they're worn out

2:08:53 ↗ so they get recycled then

2:08:56 ↗ uh yeah actually

2:08:58 ↗ not reused typically recycled

2:09:03 ↗ all right all right looks like you have

2:09:04 ↗ a question

2:09:06 ↗ you know um i just want to say for all

2:09:08 ↗ these different questions i really

2:09:10 ↗ appreciate that you guys are thinking

2:09:11 ↗ this diligently um i

2:09:14 ↗ would recommend that you put these

2:09:15 ↗ questions out with your rfp and say

2:09:18 ↗ what's their response to your priorities

2:09:20 ↗ and your

2:09:22 ↗ questions and what they recommend you

2:09:23 ↗ make the judgment on because in part

2:09:26 ↗ you'll get more clarity on what they

2:09:28 ↗ think is going to work the best but also

2:09:29 ↗ the most sophisticated answer also will

2:09:31 ↗ tell us the most sustainable plan long

2:09:33 ↗ term is for a partner so if they have

2:09:35 ↗ good answers that

2:09:37 ↗ stand out i think that will help with

2:09:39 ↗ your judgment because

2:09:41 ↗ you know there's a lot of different

2:09:42 ↗ impacts you could say you're

2:09:43 ↗ prioritizing these things but a good

2:09:44 ↗ company is going to have good answers in

2:09:46 ↗ my opinion

2:09:50 ↗ laura this is gary i just want to say i

2:09:51 ↗ really appreciate that and one thing we

2:09:53 ↗ can can also commit to doing

2:09:56 ↗ um in between you know when we get those

2:09:58 ↗ um

2:09:59 ↗ responses back and when we put out the

2:10:01 ↗ rfp is come back to you with a briefing

2:10:04 ↗ on what we heard as well

2:10:06 ↗ and our recommendations for you know the

2:10:08 ↗ final rfp so you can be part of that

2:10:10 ↗ process as well

2:10:14 ↗ yeah i'd say and also you know i don't

2:10:16 ↗ think you need to be looking to us for

2:10:18 ↗ um as much like

2:10:20 ↗ like tell us what guidance you need

2:10:21 ↗ because i mean obviously you're very

2:10:23 ↗ diligent and

2:10:24 ↗ have you thought of a lot of these

2:10:25 ↗ issues so um i don't think that i mean i

2:10:29 ↗ don't think that we're going to have

2:10:30 ↗ brilliant insights aside from you know

2:10:32 ↗ push push your partners to be good

2:10:33 ↗ partners but we're happy to help

2:10:36 ↗ yeah just on that note too i think you

2:10:38 ↗ know where what really helped for for me

2:10:40 ↗ is more of the

2:10:42 ↗ maybe less on the the fiscal or

2:10:44 ↗ technical but the cultural

2:10:46 ↗ um

2:10:48 ↗ specifically the every other week

2:10:49 ↗ collection or the range of recyclables

2:10:52 ↗ if you if you all have like a

2:10:54 ↗ real strong feeling one way or other

2:10:57 ↗ that will give jeff and i

2:10:59 ↗ you know a reflection of how how our

2:11:01 ↗ residents as a whole might feel if we if

2:11:03 ↗ we do some of these changes again we

2:11:05 ↗ don't have to have that answer now

2:11:07 ↗ but but using you as a springboard for

2:11:09 ↗ that would be really important

2:11:14 ↗ thanks gary and you had a question

2:11:18 ↗ have you thought about

2:11:21 ↗ doing a poll and asking your customers

2:11:25 ↗ how they would feel about every other

2:11:26 ↗ week

2:11:29 ↗ garbage pickup or maybe they could have

2:11:31 ↗ garbage pick up every week and recycle

2:11:33 ↗ every other week and

2:11:36 ↗ yard waste every other late week like

2:11:38 ↗ happens in my neighborhood

2:11:40 ↗ uh

2:11:42 ↗ maybe the poll could

2:11:45 ↗ explain to them

2:11:46 ↗ what you know what you're thinking

2:11:49 ↗ um

2:11:51 ↗ and just see what everybody says what do

2:11:54 ↗ you think about that

2:11:55 ↗ and i i really like that jeff have you

2:11:57 ↗ have you done something like that with

2:11:59 ↗ with either issaquah before or another

2:12:01 ↗ city

2:12:02 ↗ oh this one but i did with other cities

2:12:04 ↗ um and i can tell you the difficulty

2:12:07 ↗ that we have is that

2:12:09 ↗ we're not going to find out what numbers

2:12:11 ↗ are attached to these options until

2:12:14 ↗ we

2:12:15 ↗ get the proposals in and one of the

2:12:18 ↗ things i found just over over the years

2:12:20 ↗ is that asking a poll without hard

2:12:22 ↗ numbers you know would you like you know

2:12:25 ↗ what are you how do you feel about this

2:12:26 ↗ if you save 3.56 cents

2:12:29 ↗ a month by doing this is a different

2:12:31 ↗ answer than if how would you feel if

2:12:33 ↗ you're paying 14.83

2:12:36 ↗ so

2:12:37 ↗ i kind of um i

2:12:39 ↗ i see the value of it

2:12:42 ↗ but i'm cautious because any

2:12:45 ↗ kind of numbers that we put out there if

2:12:48 ↗ the real number that comes in is any

2:12:49 ↗ different then we're sitting there

2:12:51 ↗ scratching our heads trying to figure

2:12:52 ↗ out how to interpret it and so

2:12:54 ↗ it's just one of those difficult things

2:12:56 ↗ in that

2:12:58 ↗ you know part of it's an educational

2:13:00 ↗ effort because just by knowing what the

2:13:02 ↗ options are and the whys and hows of it

2:13:05 ↗ helps people understand

2:13:07 ↗ what decisions are going to be made by

2:13:09 ↗ council when they're dealing with the

2:13:10 ↗ final contract

2:13:12 ↗ but in terms of getting informed

2:13:14 ↗ opinions it's very difficult to do that

2:13:16 ↗ because we don't even have an informed

2:13:18 ↗ opinion until we see the raids

2:13:25 ↗ thank you it looks like dan you had a

2:13:26 ↗ question and comment

2:13:29 ↗ yeah dan here um

2:13:31 ↗ i guess yeah i'm kind of

2:13:32 ↗ curious looking at them together both

2:13:34 ↗ the frequency of residential collection

2:13:36 ↗ and range collected um

2:13:39 ↗ so i guess this is the question and

2:13:41 ↗ maybe i have a comment too but

2:13:43 ↗ do we see substantially

2:13:45 ↗ less volume coming through at least for

2:13:47 ↗ recyclables if there was a smaller range

2:13:50 ↗ of materials collected

2:13:51 ↗ um i guess if so to me that seems like a

2:13:54 ↗ sort of obvious choice to look at

2:13:56 ↗ reducing or going to be every other week

2:13:58 ↗ at least for the recycling collection um

2:14:00 ↗ so if you're curious to hear uh jeff or

2:14:03 ↗ gary your thoughts on that

2:14:04 ↗ um i guess i personally am sort of

2:14:06 ↗ leaning this is my comment to the um

2:14:09 ↗ reduced recyclables if things are not

2:14:11 ↗ truly recyclable there's not a market

2:14:13 ↗ for it

2:14:14 ↗ i just don't know why we're doing it i

2:14:17 ↗ think there could be some pushback

2:14:19 ↗ from the public although we're offering

2:14:21 ↗ less services less recycling but i think

2:14:23 ↗ there have to be some education around

2:14:24 ↗ the reality of the situation and

2:14:26 ↗ hopefully when people

2:14:28 ↗ you know take that plastic that you're

2:14:29 ↗ like oh i think this recycles i'm just

2:14:31 ↗ gonna put it in my bin anyway there's a

2:14:32 ↗ little bit more of like okay i'm wiping

2:14:34 ↗ my hands clean of that it's recycling

2:14:36 ↗ i'm done you know so maybe there's

2:14:38 ↗ almost a benefit to having people really

2:14:40 ↗ kind of question you know

2:14:41 ↗ uh what what sort of materials they're

2:14:43 ↗ consuming and knowing that those

2:14:44 ↗ ultimately are going to end up in a

2:14:45 ↗ landfill most likely so um

2:14:48 ↗ yeah sorry i feel a little bit round

2:14:49 ↗ about but i guess the other question on

2:14:51 ↗ the volume and you know going to every

2:14:52 ↗ other week is something i'd be curious

2:14:54 ↗ to hear more about

2:14:56 ↗ the county did a study probably about 10

2:14:58 ↗ or 12 years ago to look at what the

2:15:00 ↗ differences between uh weekly and every

2:15:03 ↗ other week

2:15:04 ↗ recycling collection volumes and it

2:15:07 ↗ turned out that

2:15:08 ↗ there was a difference

2:15:10 ↗ um

2:15:12 ↗ excuse me

2:15:13 ↗ and it

2:15:14 ↗ it was fairly minor

2:15:17 ↗ and it was really hard to tease apart

2:15:19 ↗ from the fact that more affluent

2:15:20 ↗ communities tend to have weekly

2:15:22 ↗ collection and less affluent ones had

2:15:24 ↗ every other week

2:15:25 ↗ and so there are some demographic

2:15:26 ↗ factors there

2:15:28 ↗ um

2:15:29 ↗ and so it's uh it's something where

2:15:32 ↗ people generally think there's something

2:15:34 ↗ there but it's really hard to put a firm

2:15:37 ↗ um

2:15:38 ↗ firm answer to it and so i don't

2:15:40 ↗ i don't know i mean

2:15:42 ↗ we could try to find out

2:15:45 ↗ but i don't think anybody's tried to

2:15:46 ↗ replicate study recently

2:15:48 ↗ um

2:15:49 ↗ and the other thing uh related to the

2:15:52 ↗ range of recyclables

2:15:53 ↗ um

2:15:55 ↗ i think it is a really big issue it's a

2:15:57 ↗ it's uh and it's an incredible education

2:16:00 ↗ for the public to sort of reframe the

2:16:03 ↗ recycling system

2:16:05 ↗ an example i'd give is you know it's

2:16:07 ↗ collecting mixed plastics

2:16:09 ↗ so 127 all those containers everything

2:16:12 ↗ went in

2:16:13 ↗ to

2:16:14 ↗ bales that were shipped to china

2:16:16 ↗ and what ended up happening there was

2:16:18 ↗ they would go through those bales and

2:16:19 ↗ high grade out the number ones and

2:16:21 ↗ number twos and sometimes the number

2:16:22 ↗ fives

2:16:24 ↗ and then in some cases um the remaining

2:16:26 ↗ uh

2:16:28 ↗ plastic was used as fuel and open fires

2:16:31 ↗ and so um and that's part of china's

2:16:33 ↗ reaction to

2:16:34 ↗ taking materials from uh the us and and

2:16:37 ↗ europe is that um

2:16:41 ↗ people there thought they were doing a

2:16:42 ↗ good thing recycling that wide range of

2:16:44 ↗ materials they went into the system

2:16:48 ↗ locally you know in issaquah they got

2:16:49 ↗ bailed they got shipped over to china

2:16:51 ↗ and they ended up being a pollution

2:16:53 ↗ problem there

2:16:54 ↗ and

2:16:55 ↗ how you would explain that to somebody

2:16:57 ↗ uh you know if you're saying yeah we're

2:16:59 ↗ gonna we're gonna shrink the range of

2:17:00 ↗ materials to primarily things that can

2:17:03 ↗ be recycled on the mark world market but

2:17:05 ↗ also locally

2:17:07 ↗ um

2:17:08 ↗ i think that that really helps mitigate

2:17:10 ↗ some of that because people get a better

2:17:12 ↗ understanding of how complex the

2:17:13 ↗ recycling industry is and how important

2:17:16 ↗ it is to really follow

2:17:19 ↗ from the materials sourced at the at the

2:17:21 ↗ customer's house all the way

2:17:23 ↗ to the mill where they actually get used

2:17:25 ↗ and make sure that you're collecting

2:17:26 ↗ good recyclables and not getting all the

2:17:28 ↗ other stuff so i think it's doable but

2:17:30 ↗ it's just a real process to

2:17:32 ↗ change the framing for the public and

2:17:35 ↗ how that all works

2:17:40 ↗ thank you jeff uh rishi you're next

2:17:43 ↗ thank you richie speaking um i simply

2:17:46 ↗ wanted to echo my support in uh what the

2:17:48 ↗ staff recommended for the fleet in this

2:17:50 ↗ phase out method i think that's probably

2:17:52 ↗ the best way to go it's both reliable

2:17:54 ↗ and we can see ourselves moving towards

2:17:55 ↗ the electric electrification of the

2:17:57 ↗ fleet

2:18:01 ↗ thank you rishi and

2:18:07 ↗ i agree

2:18:08 ↗ that um

2:18:10 ↗ seems like we're skipping forward so i

2:18:12 ↗ agree

2:18:13 ↗ that

2:18:15 ↗ i would only want to be recycling what

2:18:18 ↗ is actually recyclable

2:18:20 ↗ and when i recycle things i don't i

2:18:23 ↗ personally don't want to create more

2:18:26 ↗ pollution or greenhouse gases

2:18:28 ↗ plastic is um a fossil fuel so

2:18:32 ↗ we're really it would it goes totally

2:18:35 ↗ against our efforts here with the

2:18:36 ↗ climate action plan when it gets burned

2:18:40 ↗ um

2:18:41 ↗ so

2:18:44 ↗ i don't know if you have everybody's

2:18:45 ↗ email and you could just like

2:18:48 ↗ just keep people updated by sending them

2:18:50 ↗ emails and have it really clear what

2:18:52 ↗ what is recyclable and what's not um and

2:18:56 ↗ maybe have it on the recycle bin what's

2:18:59 ↗ recyclable and what's not

2:19:01 ↗ to

2:19:02 ↗ help people out i know it seems like in

2:19:05 ↗ my neighborhood some people aren't going

2:19:07 ↗ to do it right no matter what

2:19:09 ↗ but at least the people who are

2:19:11 ↗ trying then have a good

2:19:14 ↗ reference

2:19:17 ↗ and i should add that the new contract

2:19:20 ↗ does require the concert the incoming

2:19:22 ↗ contract or ecology to re-sticker all of

2:19:25 ↗ the cards

2:19:26 ↗ so we would get updated information out

2:19:28 ↗ there on the recycling package right

2:19:30 ↗ there on the carts

2:19:32 ↗ within a month or two of the startup

2:19:33 ↗ program

2:19:36 ↗ yeah and i'd also like to add that um

2:19:40 ↗ i think we can really you can all here

2:19:42 ↗ think about what type of of when we when

2:19:44 ↗ we move forward on the contract what

2:19:45 ↗ type of education now which you really

2:19:47 ↗ want

2:19:48 ↗ and we can tie it to some of the things

2:19:50 ↗ we heard in the last conversation with

2:19:52 ↗ the climate action plan right so have a

2:19:54 ↗ really

2:19:55 ↗ strong and aggressive

2:19:57 ↗ proactive education outreach for

2:20:00 ↗ sustainability on solid waste together

2:20:02 ↗ so so that that may help as well too

2:20:05 ↗ uh but just just being clear this

2:20:07 ↗ education and outreach component going

2:20:09 ↗ forward this contract if there are any

2:20:11 ↗ changes really will need to be uh

2:20:14 ↗ strong and well thought out

2:20:20 ↗ thanksgiving so i don't know if we're

2:20:22 ↗ still going through the list in order

2:20:25 ↗ whether

2:20:26 ↗ we want to just follow up with there any

2:20:28 ↗ more questions

2:20:30 ↗ on the frequency for example and just

2:20:33 ↗ see if that's done and move on

2:20:38 ↗ that's good

2:20:42 ↗ this is jamie uh i'm not seeing any

2:20:44 ↗ other comments or questions and yeah

2:20:46 ↗ feel free if if there's other topics we

2:20:48 ↗ want to cover it does seem like we kind

2:20:49 ↗ of decided to take them all at once and

2:20:51 ↗ i do think at the dance point some of

2:20:53 ↗ these things go together um pretty well

2:20:56 ↗ um

2:20:58 ↗ my comment around range of recyclables

2:21:01 ↗ and education

2:21:02 ↗ i i do feel like one area that a hauler

2:21:05 ↗ will be able to help is the actual

2:21:07 ↗ direct feedback to a individual

2:21:09 ↗ homeowner of like you're doing it wrong

2:21:12 ↗ like the that piece feels like a really

2:21:14 ↗ important part of the process especially

2:21:17 ↗ for changing what's being collected

2:21:19 ↗ um

2:21:20 ↗ that the actual direct feedback

2:21:22 ↗ regardless of what's on the bin people

2:21:23 ↗ are going to keep throwing what they

2:21:25 ↗ have been putting into the into the bins

2:21:27 ↗ in the past i think that's going to be a

2:21:28 ↗ difficult thing to get around so i do

2:21:30 ↗ think

2:21:30 ↗ um that's one aspect of i think overall

2:21:34 ↗ i'm on board with the

2:21:36 ↗ outreach and education recommendation

2:21:38 ↗ but i do feel like that is an area that

2:21:41 ↗ i could see the hauler just having a

2:21:43 ↗ unique uh position to be able to more

2:21:46 ↗ directly uh respond to issues that they

2:21:49 ↗ see with uh

2:21:51 ↗ with the way that things are collected

2:21:52 ↗ but uh everything else i think made

2:21:55 ↗ sense at a high level um

2:21:58 ↗ so

2:21:59 ↗ thank you uh looks like tom you have a

2:22:00 ↗ comment

2:22:02 ↗ uh yes this is tom anderson speaking i

2:22:05 ↗ guess two points to make one i've been

2:22:08 ↗ quite happy with recology uh

2:22:10 ↗ uh clean scapes and then the their shop

2:22:14 ↗ there in gilman village and bringing

2:22:16 ↗ stuff in that i can't just throw in my

2:22:17 ↗ bin and there i was disappointed a while

2:22:20 ↗ back i brought in two

2:22:22 ↗ cd

2:22:24 ↗ uh players one which was uh you know for

2:22:26 ↗ use in the house and another was a deck

2:22:29 ↗ from a car and they refused to take the

2:22:31 ↗ deck from the car because that was their

2:22:33 ↗ rule

2:22:34 ↗ and uh well i thought the idea was to

2:22:37 ↗ encourage recycling not discourage it so

2:22:40 ↗ anyway i would encourage uh such um the

2:22:44 ↗ contract to not have uh arbitrary rules

2:22:47 ↗ like that that discourage the recycling

2:22:49 ↗ we want to encourage it and

2:22:51 ↗ let's try to

2:22:53 ↗ set the rules to encourage it

2:22:56 ↗ the other on this whole collectible of

2:22:59 ↗ what range of recyclables we want to

2:23:01 ↗ collect and all we need to work towards

2:23:03 ↗ elimination from the the waste stream

2:23:06 ↗ those things which aren't recyclable and

2:23:08 ↗ i know that's out of the scope of what

2:23:10 ↗ we can do with our our

2:23:12 ↗ service that picks them up but uh that

2:23:15 ↗ ties back into other city policies you

2:23:17 ↗ know i guess the example i've used

2:23:19 ↗ before is if best buy is going to sell

2:23:22 ↗ me a tv with styrofoam protectors in it

2:23:26 ↗ well then by god they've got to accept

2:23:27 ↗ those styrofoam

2:23:29 ↗ pieces back

2:23:31 ↗ as one way to provide a feedback to them

2:23:33 ↗ that they will then push back on their

2:23:35 ↗ suppliers and they'll stop uh sending uh

2:23:38 ↗ tvs protected by these things that are

2:23:41 ↗ difficult to recycle they'll come up

2:23:43 ↗ with alternative solutions so they'll

2:23:45 ↗ protect them with cardboard which is

2:23:47 ↗ recyclable and that's all very doable we

2:23:49 ↗ have to provide feedback to the

2:23:51 ↗ generators of these non-recyclable

2:23:54 ↗ things that will cause them to

2:23:57 ↗ alter their behavior

2:23:58 ↗ and start sending us things that are

2:24:00 ↗ more recyclable

2:24:02 ↗ and we all more and more get stuff from

2:24:04 ↗ amazon and you know all the materials

2:24:07 ↗ that they sent us and they're they're

2:24:09 ↗ making improvements in that area and

2:24:11 ↗ then more and more of the amazon

2:24:13 ↗ packaging is recyclable but they're not

2:24:16 ↗ there yet either we need to be uh we

2:24:18 ↗ need to

2:24:19 ↗ provide that feedback loop and if the

2:24:22 ↗ city could help that that would

2:24:25 ↗ um

2:24:26 ↗ in the interest of the long-term the

2:24:29 ↗ goal of reducing the the

2:24:32 ↗ garbage stream that's not recyclable

2:24:34 ↗ thank you

2:24:36 ↗ thanks tom uh rishi you had a comment

2:24:40 ↗ yeah thank you rishi speaking um on the

2:24:42 ↗ topic of range of recyclables collected

2:24:44 ↗ um i was wondering if it would be

2:24:45 ↗ possible to implement something similar

2:24:47 ↗ to like a cart tagging program i know i

2:24:50 ↗ i think the city of kirkland implemented

2:24:52 ↗ it so like if contaminants are found

2:24:54 ↗ they tagged the recycling cart

2:24:56 ↗ and notify like the owners of the home

2:24:59 ↗ on proper recycling and

2:25:01 ↗ how to avoid contamination

2:25:05 ↗ well the car tagging

2:25:07 ↗ dates back from the earliest days

2:25:09 ↗ beginning of curbside recycling and one

2:25:12 ↗ of the

2:25:12 ↗ more recent issues with that that was a

2:25:14 ↗ standard part of pretty much all the

2:25:16 ↗ contracts that i've done

2:25:18 ↗ but the pushback that's happened is

2:25:21 ↗ related to seattle's attempt to

2:25:24 ↗ enforce their mandatory recycling and

2:25:27 ↗ composting and looking at garbage for

2:25:29 ↗ recyclables

2:25:30 ↗ they basically

2:25:32 ↗ ended up losing the court case on

2:25:36 ↗ the basically their their desire to

2:25:41 ↗ monitor recyclables being put in garbage

2:25:43 ↗ and the cleanliness of recyclables that

2:25:46 ↗ are put in the recycling cart um versus

2:25:49 ↗ the privacy of the customer to not have

2:25:51 ↗ anybody else looking at their materials

2:25:53 ↗ and the city lost and so now the haulers

2:25:55 ↗ have turned around and said look we

2:25:57 ↗ can't we simply can't look into a cart

2:25:59 ↗ so it's not a matter of the driver

2:26:01 ↗ getting out flipping the cart lid back

2:26:04 ↗ and looking at the recycling and then

2:26:05 ↗ writing out filling out a tag that says

2:26:07 ↗ what was there

2:26:08 ↗ um that shouldn't be there we can't do

2:26:10 ↗ that we just have to jump in the truck

2:26:12 ↗ and move along because we can't tie it

2:26:14 ↗ back to the customer

2:26:16 ↗ i think there are ways around it

2:26:18 ↗ and the rfp actually does ask

2:26:22 ↗ haulers to identify the truck systems

2:26:24 ↗ they'd be using to monitor the quality

2:26:27 ↗ recyclables and composting and one of

2:26:31 ↗ the things that the haulers have done in

2:26:32 ↗ response to that arcology as a matter of

2:26:35 ↗ fact did this in mercer island they

2:26:37 ↗ basically shifted from

2:26:39 ↗ using the most efficient truck they

2:26:41 ↗ could which would have been a side

2:26:42 ↗ loader to using one of um they have a

2:26:45 ↗ what's called a corrado box that's a

2:26:47 ↗ brand that sits on the front of a front

2:26:49 ↗ load truck

2:26:50 ↗ so the carts get dumped into this steel

2:26:52 ↗ box

2:26:53 ↗ that's kind of like a mini dumpster with

2:26:54 ↗ an open top

2:26:56 ↗ the driver in the truck can see what

2:26:58 ↗ just got dumped into the truck's hopper

2:27:01 ↗ and then can actually

2:27:04 ↗ log whatever contaminants are in that

2:27:06 ↗ under their tablet

2:27:08 ↗ and then that gets downloaded to

2:27:09 ↗ customer service and they can send the

2:27:11 ↗ customer a message about what was in the

2:27:13 ↗ cart and so we do ask for them to

2:27:17 ↗ propose systems collection systems and

2:27:20 ↗ monitoring systems to ensure that

2:27:23 ↗ materials the materials that are

2:27:24 ↗ collected are actually clean and that

2:27:26 ↗ there is a customer feedback loop

2:27:29 ↗ so they're working on it and they're

2:27:30 ↗ trying to figure out how to do it within

2:27:31 ↗ the legal constraints of not wanting to

2:27:34 ↗ actually peer into people's carts

2:27:41 ↗ jeff

2:27:42 ↗ any other comments i'm not seeing any in

2:27:44 ↗ the chat

2:27:54 ↗ all right well not seeing any were there

2:27:56 ↗ any final

2:27:58 ↗ items that you wanted to take us through

2:28:00 ↗ carrier joe i just i really really

2:28:03 ↗ appreciate this discussion um and what i

2:28:06 ↗ want to i want to again to thank

2:28:08 ↗ everybody for the questions and thank

2:28:09 ↗ jeff for bringing us to the policies um

2:28:12 ↗ i want to commit to to two things uh

2:28:15 ↗ here based on a number of questions but

2:28:17 ↗ lara and and ann particularly uh lara i

2:28:21 ↗ really appreciated that yeah we

2:28:24 ↗ got some really good

2:28:25 ↗ jeff jeff in particular minds on this

2:28:28 ↗ um so we'll

2:28:30 ↗ be kind of really specific with what

2:28:32 ↗ kind of uh

2:28:34 ↗ information we're going to ask for you

2:28:35 ↗ again and for city council be more on

2:28:37 ↗ kind of that

2:28:38 ↗ cultural um cultural flavor uh so we can

2:28:42 ↗ know what if we're heading in the right

2:28:44 ↗ direction

2:28:45 ↗ so what we'll do after we get uh

2:28:47 ↗ information back from uh this uh this

2:28:50 ↗ inventory uh industry review i may just

2:28:54 ↗ uh put in a work with megan and put in a

2:28:56 ↗ briefing paper for you all to see kind

2:28:58 ↗ of where we're at um and then you guys

2:29:00 ↗ can decide if you want us to come back

2:29:02 ↗ at that point to have another discussion

2:29:04 ↗ or if you feel like we're headed in the

2:29:06 ↗ right direction so i'll work with megan

2:29:08 ↗ on that

2:29:09 ↗ and two um ann i really liked your

2:29:11 ↗ comment about the um

2:29:13 ↗ uh the survey jeff pointed out some some

2:29:16 ↗ challenges with that but i'll work with

2:29:17 ↗ him to see if we can somehow

2:29:19 ↗ uh you know get something out

2:29:22 ↗ so people can be mindful of you know can

2:29:25 ↗ you

2:29:25 ↗ something like this like could you

2:29:27 ↗ answer this question

2:29:28 ↗ uh

2:29:29 ↗ what if you would have to pay a lot what

2:29:30 ↗ if you had to pay a little so we'll work

2:29:32 ↗ some economics in it somehow i know it

2:29:34 ↗ won't be perfect but i think

2:29:37 ↗ getting that larger feeling like you

2:29:38 ↗ suggested anne is going to help us in

2:29:40 ↗ some way when we actually do see the

2:29:42 ↗ numbers back um

2:29:44 ↗ so those will be two things we work on

2:29:46 ↗ um

2:29:47 ↗ uh over the next uh you know over the

2:29:49 ↗ next month or two

2:29:51 ↗ and just a reminder then we'll be going

2:29:53 ↗ to council

2:29:54 ↗ with this presentation um on uh i think

2:29:58 ↗ the fourth or fifth of october

2:30:01 ↗ and we'll let them know um some of the

2:30:03 ↗ comments that you had

2:30:05 ↗ and i would request if you have anything

2:30:07 ↗ after this meeting just just let us know

2:30:10 ↗ um your your any other additional

2:30:13 ↗ information so we can put it in a nice

2:30:14 ↗ package and let city council know

2:30:17 ↗ um kind of the thoughts that you all had

2:30:20 ↗ so thank you thank you very much it's

2:30:22 ↗ very helpful

2:30:26 ↗ thank you gary i know tom you had a

2:30:28 ↗ comment that did you want to just add

2:30:30 ↗ that on while you're still off gary yeah

2:30:32 ↗ tom anderson speaking i guess just about

2:30:35 ↗ this the um

2:30:38 ↗ survey i remember filling out such a

2:30:41 ↗ survey

2:30:42 ↗ i don't know maybe it was ten years ago

2:30:44 ↗ i i i don't know it was five or ten

2:30:46 ↗ years ago or something like that so it

2:30:48 ↗ was clean within the domain of clean

2:30:50 ↗ scapes i think and they asked these

2:30:52 ↗ questions specifically about well hey

2:30:54 ↗ what about every other week service and

2:30:57 ↗ okay and so that that has been done

2:31:00 ↗ but i'm fuzzy in my memory about how

2:31:02 ↗ long ago it was it might

2:31:06 ↗ thanks tom i'll work with megan on that

2:31:08 ↗ uh she may she may have that in her

2:31:10 ↗ archives of uh a previous survey because

2:31:13 ↗ i would love to riff off that rather

2:31:15 ↗ than start something new

2:31:16 ↗ yes this is megan that is what i was

2:31:19 ↗ starting to pull up on my screen when

2:31:21 ↗ everyone was seeing me share my screen

2:31:23 ↗ there so um i will be connecting with

2:31:25 ↗ gary yes great thank you megan

2:31:30 ↗ thank you gary and ann you had a a

2:31:33 ↗ comment as well

2:31:36 ↗ yeah

2:31:37 ↗ okay

2:31:38 ↗ so i'll be fast so um

2:31:41 ↗ i didn't get to see the bill so i don't

2:31:43 ↗ know if this is accurate but um at the

2:31:45 ↗ po i used to work at the post office and

2:31:47 ↗ um

2:31:49 ↗ we were recycling we had one big huge

2:31:52 ↗ bin for recycling in one huge bin for

2:31:54 ↗ garbage and to save money one of the

2:31:58 ↗ newer the new postmasters decided

2:32:01 ↗ that we could we would only be recycling

2:32:04 ↗ paper because it was cheaper

2:32:06 ↗ to throw all the rest the recyclables

2:32:09 ↗ away in the garbage

2:32:11 ↗ than to pay for recycling so if um

2:32:15 ↗ if we could go with a company that um

2:32:18 ↗ if you can factor that in

2:32:20 ↗ to go with somebody who

2:32:22 ↗ recycling is less expensive than

2:32:25 ↗ garbage

2:32:28 ↗ so it

2:32:29 ↗ inspires

2:32:31 ↗ people and businesses especially large

2:32:33 ↗ businesses to recycle rather than just

2:32:35 ↗ throw in the garbage

2:32:40 ↗ thank you ann thank you ann it's good to

2:32:42 ↗ know about

2:32:44 ↗ and then megan i

2:32:46 ↗ since my computer crashed i don't have

2:32:48 ↗ my agenda up um but i believe with that

2:32:52 ↗ agenda item

2:32:54 ↗ are we going to other business or

2:32:55 ↗ reports out

2:32:56 ↗ yes correct

2:32:59 ↗ thank you very much

2:33:00 ↗ yeah thank you gary thank you jeff

2:33:02 ↗ thank you that was really interesting

2:33:06 ↗ yes this is megan i have just a couple

2:33:09 ↗ quick items um

2:33:11 ↗ as as report outs um so i apologize i

2:33:14 ↗ forgot to include the list of upcoming

2:33:16 ↗ meetings in our agenda packet for this

2:33:19 ↗ evening so i just wanted to give a quick

2:33:21 ↗ look ahead for october and we'll be sure

2:33:23 ↗ to include that in the future

2:33:25 ↗ but in october

2:33:27 ↗ gary will be back with us to talk about

2:33:29 ↗ the storm and surface water master plan

2:33:31 ↗ we talked about that a few months ago

2:33:34 ↗ now so he's going to be coming back with

2:33:36 ↗ progress on that and i believe talking a

2:33:37 ↗ little bit more about policies

2:33:40 ↗ you also saw that chair davidson had

2:33:43 ↗ requested to have the title 18

2:33:46 ↗ landscape trees and open space topics

2:33:49 ↗ come before the environmental board that

2:33:51 ↗ had gone to ppc and

2:33:54 ↗ the parks board

2:33:56 ↗ earlier this month

2:33:58 ↗ so

2:33:58 ↗ that will be coming to the environmental

2:34:01 ↗ board in october for input and they'll

2:34:03 ↗ be presented by

2:34:05 ↗ cpd director mini dalawal

2:34:08 ↗ so we'll have those two items for

2:34:09 ↗ october

2:34:12 ↗ the other thing i wanted to

2:34:14 ↗ report out is just my position

2:34:17 ↗ so

2:34:18 ↗ we

2:34:19 ↗ were in the process of of hiring a new

2:34:21 ↗ sustainability manager

2:34:23 ↗ we had someone

2:34:25 ↗ planned but unfortunately it did not end

2:34:27 ↗ up working out

2:34:29 ↗ to bring them on board so we have

2:34:31 ↗ actually gone back out

2:34:33 ↗ with the application and so i believe

2:34:36 ↗ that is due back on october 1st where

2:34:38 ↗ we'll be

2:34:39 ↗ reviewing applications again for that

2:34:42 ↗ so

2:34:43 ↗ at this point um i will be helping out

2:34:45 ↗ with at least the climate action plan um

2:34:48 ↗ for a little bit longer so i keep having

2:34:50 ↗ telling you my my end date but i will be

2:34:52 ↗ going a little bit longer with that plan

2:34:55 ↗ so um it's a great

2:34:57 ↗ being able to work with you all and uh

2:34:59 ↗ we'll be able to continue doing that

2:35:02 ↗ and that is all i have for this evening

2:35:07 ↗ thank you megan any other business from

2:35:10 ↗ any of the other members

2:35:14 ↗ all right well hearing none uh meeting

2:35:17 ↗ is adjourned thanks everyone

2:35:20 ↗ thanks thank you thank you and it's good

2:35:23 ↗ we get

2:35:24 ↗ to keep having you stay stay on board

2:35:27 ↗ meg

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