Environmental Board · Wednesday, April 10, 2024 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of February 26, 2024

packet pp.3–5

Previously discussed: Environmental Board · Mar 13, 2024 Park Board · Mar 26, 2024

Open packet at p.3 ↗

Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 02-26-24 Park Board Minutes CITY OF ISSAQUAH Park Board 6:30 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave February 26, 2024 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

Minutes of March 13, 2024

packet pp.7–9

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH Environmental Board 6:00 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. March 13, 2024 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. AGENDA ITEMS

Energy Smart Eastside and Potential Electrification Program Expansion (I, D) [50 mins]

Sarah Phillips, ESE Program Manager Stacy Vynne McKinstry, Sustainability Manager · packet pp.11–24

Topics: ClimateArts & Culture

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Staff report:

Office of Sustainability 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

Comprehensive Plan: Environment Element Update (I) [20 mins]

Stephen Padua, Long Range Planner David Reedy, Sustainability Coordinator · packet pp.25–35

Topics: Land Use

Previously discussed: Environmental Board · Mar 29, 2024

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Staff report:

Community Planning & Development 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

Stormwater Plan Update

Information · [15 mins] Mike Vermeulen, Water Resources Program Specialist · packet pp.37–121

Topics: Water

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Staff report:

Public Works P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Update on Strategic Plan Taskforce (Jamie Finch)

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Recognition of Board Members (Jamie Finch and Don McQuilliams)

packet pp.123–127

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Staff report:

APPROVED: 3/13/2024 REVISED: 4/3/2024

2024 Workplan

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0:04 ↗ all right uh welcome to the April 10th

0:07 ↗ meeting of the ISA environmental board

0:09 ↗ I'm Jamie pinch and I'll be your chair

0:10 ↗ tonight um due to the hybrid nature of

0:13 ↗ this meeting we'll have some members

0:14 ↗ attending in person and some remotely

0:16 ↗ for those remotely please uh say your

0:19 ↗ name for speaking uh mute your

0:21 ↗ microphone when you're not speaking and

0:23 ↗ then raise your hand if you'd like to

0:25 ↗ speak for those here please flip your

0:27 ↗ name tag um certain topics will

0:30 ↗ summarize agre around recommendations

0:32 ↗ and please let me know if there's

0:33 ↗ anything that I missed and we know that

0:35 ↗ there's any desent um that uh sty do you

0:41 ↗ mind running us through

0:43 ↗ attendance uh Tom Anderson here Nancy

0:47 ↗ [Music]

0:50 ↗ Davidson

0:52 ↗ here Jamie Finch here of hundy

1:01 ↗ hi P can you hear

1:07 ↗ us we're unable to hear

1:15 ↗ you okay

1:18 ↗ great um Raj is here Joy Lewis has an

1:23 ↗ excused absence ashon

1:26 ↗ Canam

1:27 ↗ here Don McWilliams

1:30 ↗ here an Nukem has an excused absence

1:34 ↗ Janet

1:35 ↗ wall Dixie bear has an excused absence

1:38 ↗ and Alex Lee

1:41 ↗ tigner is planning to join virtually I

1:44 ↗ don't she just popped on the timing Alex

1:47 ↗ we were just calling your

1:50 ↗ name here

1:53 ↗ great all

1:55 ↗ right thank you Stacy um do we have I

1:59 ↗ don't see any members the public did any

2:02 ↗ public comments to know no there was um

2:07 ↗ no public comment there was a email from

2:10 ↗ Connie uh regarding the comprehensive

2:12 ↗ plan and Wildlife she said to um it it

2:16 ↗ wasn't necessarily a comment it was just

2:18 ↗ a inquiry or to take it as

2:22 ↗ information um I think with that then we

2:25 ↗ will move into the minutes um are there

2:30 ↗ any comments on the minutes from

2:32 ↗ February 26

2:36 ↗ 2024 none those are approved by

2:39 ↗ unanimous consent and then are there any

2:41 ↗ comments on the minutes from March 13

2:45 ↗ 2024 hearing none those are approved by

2:47 ↗ unanimous

2:48 ↗ consent um and then with that we'll move

2:51 ↗ into our attend item the first one being

2:53 ↗ Energy Smart east side of potential

2:55 ↗ electrification program expansion

3:07 ↗ okay so um wanted to welcome Sarah

3:10 ↗ Phillips uh here tonight Sarah is a

3:13 ↗ shared staff person um she's shared

3:15 ↗ between five cities but is housed at the

3:18 ↗ city of BW and she manages the Energy

3:20 ↗ Smart East Side heat pump program

3:23 ↗ tonight we wanted to provide a deep dive

3:25 ↗ into that program it has been a pretty

3:27 ↗ substantial investment um

3:30 ↗ in terms of resources funding and staff

3:33 ↗ capacity but it's also helping to

3:35 ↗ address one of our biggest greenhouse

3:36 ↗ gas um emitters which is residential

3:39 ↗ energy use um so after Sarah provides

3:44 ↗ kind of a overview and then um Dives

3:46 ↗ deep into the data from the program at

3:48 ↗ the very end we'll talk very briefly

3:50 ↗ about some of the additional incentives

3:53 ↗ or programming that we might be

3:54 ↗ considering and the approach to further

3:56 ↗ develop that so I will hand it over

4:03 ↗ great thank you so um I appreciate being

4:06 ↗ here having with all of you today I've

4:09 ↗ never been to this particular Park in

4:11 ↗ this venue so that's really fun um and

4:14 ↗ this board of course uh you work on

4:17 ↗ environmental work all the time you're

4:19 ↗ really key to shaping um climate policy

4:22 ↗ at the city of isqua uh and this program

4:25 ↗ is really um at the heart of you know

4:27 ↗ one of our key strategies for trying try

4:29 ↗ to meet our climate goals so we go to

4:32 ↗ the kind of overview of what we hope to

4:33 ↗ do today kind of the next slide I really

4:35 ↗ kind of have a few goals for you today

4:38 ↗ is you walk away with a good

4:39 ↗ understanding of energy smart east side

4:42 ↗ and how it very very concretely relates

4:45 ↗ to achievement of your 2050 um climate

4:49 ↗ goals and specifically trying the path

4:51 ↗ to carbon

4:52 ↗ neutral um we're going to talk about the

4:55 ↗ different program tracks and how we're

4:57 ↗ designing them to really Foster and

4:59 ↗ Equitable energy

5:01 ↗ transition and we'll give you just for

5:03 ↗ an update on where are we at today you

5:06 ↗ know what was the results of what I

5:07 ↗ would call sort of the pilot phase in

5:09 ↗ 2023 what are we really focused on to

5:12 ↗ expand impact in 2024 and how are we

5:14 ↗ thinking about scaling it and we'll kind

5:16 ↗ of then roll into the conversation on

5:19 ↗ what um different expansion

5:21 ↗ opportunities might

5:24 ↗ be uh so Energy Smart east side is

5:27 ↗ fundamentally uh a residential home

5:30 ↗ electrification program we connect

5:32 ↗ residents with uh education resources

5:35 ↗ and in some cases financial assistance

5:37 ↗ so that they can go electric and the

5:40 ↗ program today is really um focused

5:43 ↗ squarely on heat pumps that's kind of

5:45 ↗ where we're starting so sort of from a

5:46 ↗ branding perspective we think about

5:48 ↗ ourselves more broadly than that but

5:50 ↗ from a practical standpoint our

5:51 ↗ programming today is right around heat

5:53 ↗ pumps and as um Stacy mentioned this is

5:57 ↗ a joint initiative of the cities of

5:58 ↗ Belle is a Kirkland Redmond and merer

6:05 ↗ Island so I mentioned that we're

6:08 ↗ starting with heat pumps and I just kind

6:09 ↗ of want to give context or why are we

6:12 ↗ starting there um this is a a slide that

6:15 ↗ kind of represents your most recent

6:17 ↗ greenhouse gas inventories I know Stacy

6:19 ↗ has walked you through this previously

6:22 ↗ um but a quarter of emissions in isqua

6:25 ↗ are from the residential and you know

6:28 ↗ the good news on that is on the

6:29 ↗ electricity front that is going to get

6:32 ↗ cleaner over time so pisone energy has a

6:35 ↗ mandate based on state legislation that

6:37 ↗ they need to be moving off of oil and

6:40 ↗ gas of course and so over time the

6:43 ↗ emissions from just running electricity

6:45 ↗ are going to diminish um uh

6:48 ↗ significantly but at the same time 78%

6:52 ↗ of single family homes in particular in

6:54 ↗ isqua um have gas space Heating and as

6:57 ↗ we know space heating is one of the

6:58 ↗ biggest energy consumers in the home and

7:01 ↗ if you have a gas furnace you probably

7:03 ↗ also have a gas water heater you might

7:06 ↗ have other Gas Appliances as well and so

7:09 ↗ if we're going to hit that Target in

7:10 ↗ 2050 of um achieving uh carbon

7:14 ↗ neutrality we really need to start

7:16 ↗ figuring out how do we move folks off of

7:18 ↗ gas and onto

7:23 ↗ electricity one of the interesting

7:25 ↗ things that I wanted to answer early on

7:27 ↗ is just what is the emission savings if

7:29 ↗ we we install a heat pump and if you

7:31 ↗ just look at it kind of from like year

7:33 ↗ one it's about one ton so if you take a

7:36 ↗ 1500 SQ foot house and you move from a

7:39 ↗ gas furnace to a heat pump it's about

7:42 ↗ one ton of CO2 uh emissions uh averted

7:47 ↗ but if you think about that over time

7:49 ↗ and you think about the compounding fact

7:51 ↗ of um the grid getting cleaner over time

7:54 ↗ it really expands massively and so if

7:57 ↗ you were to go into a home and replace

7:59 ↗ it with a heat pump a gas furnace with a

8:01 ↗ heat pump today you're looking at 62k in

8:05 ↗ emissions um averted over the lifetime

8:09 ↗ of that Appliance and then if you think

8:11 ↗ about that well like what is that in

8:12 ↗ concrete terms look like a a car for the

8:15 ↗ lifetime a gas powered car for the

8:17 ↗ lifetime that you might have it and so

8:19 ↗ it's really really significant and if

8:21 ↗ you think about them stacking like

8:22 ↗ replacing a water heater on top to that

8:24 ↗ you're up to

8:25 ↗ 86k uh in CO2 savings over the lifetimes

8:29 ↗ of those appliances so it really is in

8:31 ↗ terms of kind of like bang for the buck

8:33 ↗ and and and having a major impact um

8:36 ↗ starting to Foster this Behavior change

8:37 ↗ and making it possible and affordable

8:39 ↗ for people is super

8:43 ↗ important um this is a slide I show all

8:47 ↗ day long every day it's from rewiring

8:50 ↗ American some of you may have seen it

8:52 ↗ before um this is showing King County

8:54 ↗ data but what I can tell you is isqua

8:56 ↗ Maps roughly to what we see in King

8:58 ↗ County overall um so heat pumps the good

9:01 ↗ news is heat pumps are increasing as a

9:03 ↗ percentage of residential aax sales but

9:06 ↗ if you see that line on the bottom what

9:08 ↗ that's showing you is sort of a linear

9:10 ↗ projected growth what we call business's

9:12 ↗ usual growth in heat pump sales so it's

9:14 ↗ going to continue to go up but what the

9:17 ↗ orange line on top is trying to give a

9:20 ↗ is what it needs to go up in order to

9:22 ↗ hit your 250 uh goals and that's because

9:25 ↗ the lifespan of a furnace is about 20

9:27 ↗ years so we really want to replace all

9:31 ↗ gas

9:32 ↗ furnaces uh by 2050 and stop combustion

9:35 ↗ in the home you really not need to back

9:37 ↗ up to 2030 and think about um all

9:41 ↗ residential sales um primarily changing

9:44 ↗ to heat pumps and so that's the steeper

9:46 ↗ curve and the Catalyst in the market

9:47 ↗ that we really want to try and

9:52 ↗ Foster and you know the good news is

9:54 ↗ we're starting to see this change which

9:56 ↗ is exciting and we also have some

9:58 ↗ headwinds

10:00 ↗ um this is data from uh Bell's permit

10:02 ↗ data and we're working on getting isqua

10:06 ↗ but I think that this can kind of be

10:07 ↗ representative of the market as a whole

10:09 ↗ and when I talk to hbac contractors this

10:11 ↗ is what they're telling me as well um is

10:14 ↗ we are seeing a really steep increase um

10:17 ↗ year-over-year in heat pump sales the

10:19 ↗ bottom line there is really reflecting

10:21 ↗ that in 2023 for the very first time

10:24 ↗ heat pumps outpaced gas furnaces in

10:27 ↗ bellw in terms of installation we

10:29 ↗ finally kind of just nudged Beyond gas

10:33 ↗ furnaces but at the same time we've got

10:35 ↗ some economic headwinds he pumps

10:37 ↗ continue to rise in price the factors

10:40 ↗ underneath that have a lot to do with um

10:42 ↗ uh labor costs so we've got kind of an

10:44 ↗ inflationary thing going on and on top

10:47 ↗ of that the interest rates going up have

10:49 ↗ really really impacted the ability for

10:53 ↗ people to make these kinds of

10:54 ↗ Investments and so in q1 of 2024 we're

10:57 ↗ actually starting to see the reverse

11:00 ↗ right heat pumps are not on Pace

11:02 ↗ year-over-year relative to where they

11:04 ↗ were in 2023 and you can see that the

11:06 ↗ gas furnaces have started to PCH up a

11:08 ↗ little

11:11 ↗ bit and The Upfront costs are a

11:13 ↗ significant barrier to adoption um these

11:16 ↗ graphs are a little bit hard to read

11:18 ↗ they're a little small but I'll try to

11:19 ↗ kind of walk you through it um a heat

11:22 ↗ pump today uh in the Seattle

11:24 ↗ area you're replacing a gas furnace with

11:27 ↗ a heat pump is usually going to cost

11:28 ↗ somewhere between 20 and

11:31 ↗ $30,000 high efficiency gas furnace is

11:35 ↗ going to cost somewhere between 9 and

11:37 ↗ $12,000 that's a big gap and on the

11:40 ↗ right you can kind of see that how that

11:42 ↗ cost stack is is that dark blue line

11:44 ↗ would be okay if you take the full price

11:46 ↗ of say a

11:48 ↗ $222,000 heat PB the dark blue area on

11:51 ↗ the right is kind of saying okay that's

11:53 ↗ the equivalent cost of a furnus and then

11:55 ↗ you can stack onto that uh tax

11:58 ↗ incentives you can stack onto that

11:59 ↗ utility rebates and then the Orange is

12:02 ↗ really that left is that unfunded amount

12:05 ↗ that's still the Gap that people have to

12:06 ↗ come up

12:07 ↗ with um and you know it's significant a

12:10 ↗ lot of the times when people are making

12:12 ↗ the choice to replace their heating it's

12:15 ↗ in the winter when their furnace has

12:17 ↗ stopped working and they call a

12:19 ↗ contractor and they need to very very

12:21 ↗ quickly get a new system in place and

12:24 ↗ it's an unplanned expense that's a

12:26 ↗ little bit different than what happens

12:27 ↗ we see heat pump sales happen in August

12:29 ↗ that's when they Spike that's no

12:32 ↗ surprise right it's hot I can't stand

12:35 ↗ one more summer without AC uh and that's

12:37 ↗ when we see people suddenly start to

12:39 ↗ want to make that interest uh that

12:44 ↗ investment so when we look at the

12:46 ↗ demographics of isquat and start to kind

12:48 ↗ of break it down and think about okay

12:49 ↗ how are we going to get folks to

12:51 ↗ transition um you know you do have uh

12:55 ↗ just a little bit shy over the majority

12:57 ↗ that probably do have the resource to

12:59 ↗ make the transition and we can do things

13:02 ↗ like do Outreach education uh throwing

13:05 ↗ little goodies like a manufacturer

13:07 ↗ rebate do one-on-one coaching there's a

13:09 ↗ lot of things we can do at a relatively

13:10 ↗ low cost to help get them over the line

13:14 ↗ um fear of missing out also big your

13:16 ↗ neighbors are getting heat pums you

13:17 ↗ might want to get one too uh but 44% of

13:20 ↗ your homeowners are probably going to

13:22 ↗ need some sort of assistance to be able

13:24 ↗ to really consider the investment 60%

13:28 ↗ 16% are um at or below 80% of area

13:32 ↗ median income and I think you have like

13:33 ↗ probably a lot of seniors in that

13:35 ↗ category in particular and then 28% are

13:38 ↗ what we call s a middle income and

13:39 ↗ that's between 80 and

13:41 ↗ 150% um and you know they might be able

13:43 ↗ to make the investment but they're

13:45 ↗ making tradeoffs for sure um and

13:47 ↗ deciding like you know is it the kids

13:49 ↗ braces or a heat pop right you're you're

13:51 ↗ making those kind of

13:54 ↗ tradeoffs so as we think about kind of

13:56 ↗ the structure of the program uh we know

13:59 ↗ that we really want to like focus on

14:00 ↗ heat pumps as just sort of like um a

14:03 ↗ really impactful emission savings

14:06 ↗ strategy it's also a climate two for one

14:09 ↗ I like to say because you're not just

14:11 ↗ doing an emission savings strategy but

14:13 ↗ it's also a climate resilience strategy

14:15 ↗ particularly when you're talking about

14:17 ↗ um vul vulnerable residents uh like

14:20 ↗ seniors um for heat and Wildfire smoke

14:24 ↗ ducted systems actually provide um great

14:26 ↗ air filtration as well so it's kind of a

14:29 ↗ CL at two for one we know we want to

14:30 ↗ focus on heat pumps and so we've

14:32 ↗ designed to try to think about the

14:33 ↗ demographics of um our communities and

14:36 ↗ how can we have programming that reaches

14:38 ↗ all of them we have um a lowincome uh

14:42 ↗ track that's designed to reach those um

14:46 ↗ residents that are at 80% or below of

14:48 ↗ area meeting income and where we provide

14:50 ↗ 100% cost coverage of a heat pump that

14:53 ↗ includes purchase

14:56 ↗ installation um any duct work repair

14:59 ↗ hairs that might need to have happen and

15:01 ↗ for it to operate correctly and any

15:03 ↗ electrical upgrades that might need to

15:04 ↗ happen for it to operate correctly and

15:06 ↗ that's not unusually get into older

15:07 ↗ homes they've got old panels and they

15:09 ↗ need to be

15:10 ↗ upgraded for middle-income residents we

15:13 ↗ offer a specific incentive to um switch

15:16 ↗ from a gas furnace to heat pump um we've

15:19 ↗ started that incentive at a $1,500

15:22 ↗ incentive and we're actually testing

15:23 ↗ next month bumping that up to $2500 and

15:26 ↗ seeing what that does um as we plann for

15:29 ↗ next year we're hoping to make that

15:31 ↗ permanently a $2,500

15:33 ↗ incentive and then kind of like for all

15:35 ↗ incomes for all residents we offer um uh

15:39 ↗ webinars every other month we do

15:40 ↗ in-person

15:41 ↗ workshops um we actually launched a

15:44 ↗ pilot for one-on-one coaching this um

15:47 ↗ just recently this soft launched it

15:49 ↗ literally put it on the website there's

15:51 ↗ a cly link you can sign up to talk to an

15:53 ↗ energy adviser which is basically me and

15:55 ↗ my my um Civic spark uh volunteer

15:59 ↗ and we just make ourselves available six

16:01 ↗ hours a week and with absolutely no

16:02 ↗ promotion those slots completely filled

16:04 ↗ up so and it really told me that

16:08 ↗ residents value this service and I talk

16:10 ↗ to residents of all Stripes they might

16:13 ↗ be um seniors on a fixed income uh I've

16:16 ↗ talked to people with 8,000 foot homes

16:19 ↗ with three furnaces to replace so it's

16:21 ↗ the gamut and uh they love having

16:24 ↗ somebody to call and just say help me

16:25 ↗ get started how do I find a contractor

16:27 ↗ how do I get going

16:29 ↗ uh and then we also have um a a a

16:33 ↗ partnership with jensco actually um

16:35 ↗ brokered through the city of isqua and

16:38 ↗ they offer a $500 rebate on Mitsubishi

16:41 ↗ equipment very similar kind of program

16:43 ↗ operates in Seattle as

16:46 ↗ well so where are we at today you know

16:49 ↗ 2023 was kind of like a bootstrap year

16:52 ↗ um this program actually launched in

16:54 ↗ 2022 but some of the major components of

16:57 ↗ the programming got started in

16:59 ↗ 2023 and um on the left it kind of gives

17:02 ↗ you a sense of the funding each City put

17:05 ↗ in seed money for this isqua contributed

17:09 ↗ just a little shy of $400,000 for two

17:11 ↗ years 2023 and

17:14 ↗ 2024 uh the other cities also put in um

17:18 ↗ similar amounts of money relative to

17:19 ↗ their population and they were really

17:22 ↗ successful in using that seed money to

17:24 ↗ bring in another 1.6 million in grant

17:27 ↗ funding and that has been fantastic what

17:29 ↗ I can tell you is we've actually upped

17:31 ↗ that number since I wrote the slide and

17:33 ↗ we have another 850,000 in grant funding

17:36 ↗ from pet sound energy that's going to be

17:38 ↗ announced here in just a couple weeks

17:40 ↗ they'll be naming us as a delivery

17:42 ↗ partner in their next UTC filing which

17:44 ↗ is great so we've really been successful

17:46 ↗ in taking um the investment from the

17:48 ↗ cities and really leveraging that to

17:50 ↗ bring benefits into the community um I

17:53 ↗ was the first um staff person hired and

17:55 ↗ I started in September so a lot of this

17:57 ↗ work was Stacey and the other

17:59 ↗ sustainability managers kind of gluing

18:01 ↗ this together with some vendors early

18:04 ↗ on um we managed last year to complete

18:07 ↗ our pilot of 22 lowincome installations

18:10 ↗ and we learned a lot from that exercise

18:13 ↗ that really helped us kind of fine-tune

18:15 ↗ the program for this year we put a

18:17 ↗ slightly different structure in place

18:19 ↗ and now we've kicked it off in 2024 and

18:21 ↗ it's going to be much more efficient and

18:22 ↗ also a little bit more cost effective

18:24 ↗ which was great so it was a really

18:25 ↗ really good

18:26 ↗ learnings um in our partnership with

18:28 ↗ King County we managed to um retrofit

18:31 ↗ 137 affordable housing units we launched

18:34 ↗ that middle income fuel switch rebate

18:37 ↗ and I think kind of critically is a lot

18:39 ↗ of this is getting all Partnerships and

18:40 ↗ the structure in place so that you can

18:42 ↗ even operate the program so a lot of

18:43 ↗ last year was just kind of getting those

18:46 ↗ pieces in place um all of we managed to

18:49 ↗ install 205 um heat pumps across the

18:52 ↗ east side and about 28 of those were in

18:55 ↗ is a CLA

18:59 ↗ so as we think about this year there's

19:01 ↗ some specific kind of work plan that's

19:03 ↗ is a qua specific but I also want to

19:05 ↗ talk to you about the opportunities we

19:07 ↗ think are here to deepen impact not

19:09 ↗ opportunities that necessarily need more

19:11 ↗ funding but just

19:13 ↗ exploration um so the work plan for this

19:16 ↗ year is we'll fund another nine

19:18 ↗ low-income installs in isquad that'll be

19:20 ↗ a combination of a little bit of city

19:22 ↗ funding that you still have to spend

19:24 ↗ combined with that new pit Sound Energy

19:27 ↗ funding so they're going to I think do

19:28 ↗ another five installs on what what you

19:30 ↗ on top of what you already have

19:32 ↗ budgeted um really we're hoping to

19:35 ↗ influence at least 50 installs kind of

19:39 ↗ the market rate and middle income

19:40 ↗ installs across the community and we're

19:43 ↗ really excited we um just signed a

19:45 ↗ contract with uh we not signed a

19:47 ↗ contract we're close to signing a

19:49 ↗ contract with a marketing agency that

19:50 ↗ will start helping us in May and helping

19:53 ↗ us really get the word out um really

19:55 ↗ working to increase rebate adoption and

19:58 ↗ um we'll talk a little bit about our

20:00 ↗ strategies for that um scaling up the

20:03 ↗ coaching program that we just started uh

20:05 ↗ and you know continuing our Outreach

20:07 ↗ through

20:08 ↗ webinars and then foundations is a lot

20:11 ↗ of what we're doing is making sure that

20:13 ↗ we're taking advantage and beeting the

20:14 ↗ moment on Grant availability that's out

20:16 ↗ there um we have applied for

20:20 ↗ $6.2 million in funding through um

20:24 ↗ Department of Commerce here Grant um

20:27 ↗ that's an opportunity where we will

20:29 ↗ actually pull Ron is Renton in as a

20:32 ↗ potential partner as well and expand and

20:34 ↗ be able to get these heat pumps for

20:35 ↗ low-income folks out into the city of

20:38 ↗ Brenton as well so we're waiting to hear

20:40 ↗ back on what the award is going to be

20:42 ↗ there um but doing a lot of work to kind

20:44 ↗ of scale up our

20:46 ↗ programs um hbac for those of you that

20:50 ↗ are all kind of connected to that

20:52 ↗ industry at all and I think I saw you

20:54 ↗ had a connection through your company um

20:58 ↗ is is an interesting go to market and um

21:02 ↗ contractors often service a really

21:05 ↗ diverse um area we have 40 contractors

21:08 ↗ in our Network and what we've learned is

21:11 ↗ that having them relying on them to keep

21:14 ↗ straight exactly what incentives apply

21:17 ↗ in what particular scenario with what

21:21 ↗ particular demographic as they're going

21:23 ↗ out and talking to homeowners is tricky

21:26 ↗ and so a lot of what we're doing is

21:28 ↗ double down on our training um thinking

21:31 ↗ about how do we incentivize with leads

21:33 ↗ and get the um uh owners on board and

21:36 ↗ probably what we'll be doing this year

21:38 ↗ is really focus some of the top 10 um uh

21:42 ↗ contractors in the area and really

21:43 ↗ trying to drive traffic to them at the

21:45 ↗ same time we're looking at opportunities

21:47 ↗ to broaden distribution of rebates and

21:49 ↗ so we're doing kind of a little bit of

21:50 ↗ um it's sort of a funny word to talk

21:52 ↗ about in government but Business

21:53 ↗ Development basically to find out other

21:55 ↗ ways to get our rebates in Market um

21:59 ↗ and I think you know one of the things

22:00 ↗ we talked about was the headwinds on

22:02 ↗ financing right now so if you were to go

22:05 ↗ and finance a heat pump even at like uh

22:09 ↗ pesan um Cooperative Credit Union which

22:11 ↗ is a nonprofit it's going to be like

22:13 ↗ seven n seven to n% interest rate it's

22:16 ↗ pretty steep so um we're doing some

22:18 ↗ Exploration with that organization as

22:21 ↗ well as craft 3 and a rewiring America

22:24 ↗ Grant to see if there's any

22:25 ↗ opportunities to get some loan products

22:28 ↗ and work Market in our community that

22:29 ↗ are a little bit more

22:31 ↗ affordable and then um lastly isaka is

22:34 ↗ actually going to spearhead this this

22:35 ↗ summer and Stacy will walk you through

22:37 ↗ it but doing some Outreach to the

22:38 ↗ community to find out okay Beyond heat

22:40 ↗ pumps what are some of the

22:42 ↗ electrification um uh opportunities that

22:44 ↗ people would like us to help with and

22:47 ↗ then doing some um program design around

22:49 ↗ that so we could do a pilot next

22:55 ↗ year so I will I'll stop there

23:01 ↗ go ahead

23:02 ↗ Tom uh thank you Tom Anderson here uh so

23:05 ↗ I put in a heat Pop um February of last

23:09 ↗ year and so one little point of feedback

23:12 ↗ that I would give to the program and it

23:14 ↗ sounds like you're addressing this you

23:15 ↗ talked about how it's important to get

23:19 ↗ the installers on board with the

23:22 ↗ training and communication that is

23:24 ↗ necessary to make all this work and make

23:27 ↗ sure people get the appropriate rebates

23:29 ↗ Etc so the little thing that I was

23:32 ↗ disappointed in was uh I was moving

23:35 ↗ forward in 2022 to do this I had signed

23:40 ↗ a deal to have it installed in December

23:42 ↗ of

23:43 ↗ 2022 my installer gave me no clues

23:47 ↗ whatsoever about hey if you wait a month

23:51 ↗ you could benefit from rebates from the

23:53 ↗ IRA program and all that they were

23:56 ↗ completely silent about all that and

23:58 ↗ well I got into of it and and delayed

24:01 ↗ the install and they cooperated with all

24:05 ↗ that but I was disappointed in their

24:08 ↗ lack of guiding me in that it was it was

24:10 ↗ up to me to figure out that I was about

24:12 ↗ to you know forgo that that rebate that

24:16 ↗ is out there for a purpose and I should

24:19 ↗ be able to benefit from it and and all

24:21 ↗ worked out but I was

24:24 ↗ disappointed in their lack of uh ability

24:28 ↗ or interest you know it's they of course

24:30 ↗ want to keep busy so delaying is an

24:34 ↗ economic cost to them so that's right I

24:37 ↗ understand their their reason but U uh

24:41 ↗ if they're in this program they should

24:43 ↗ be serving the needs of the program yeah

24:46 ↗ and get people educated and aware of

24:49 ↗ what's available and all that so that

24:52 ↗ was one little Nuance process that I ran

24:56 ↗ into um

24:59 ↗ see I had some

25:02 ↗ other comment

25:04 ↗ about well so shifting gears a little

25:07 ↗ bit um I'm wondering

25:09 ↗ about incentives for non-owner occupied

25:13 ↗ single family

25:15 ↗ residences so I happen to be a landlord

25:19 ↗ a couple of single family residences and

25:21 ↗ when I'm is are the rules still the same

25:24 ↗ but I've looked into this last year uh

25:27 ↗ did that of the incentives apply to non

25:30 ↗ occup that's right so although I'm uh in

25:35 ↗ favor of moving forward of this okay I

25:38 ↗ have to make the economics work for my

25:40 ↗ rental properties and the economics are

25:43 ↗ is well if one of my gas furnaces were

25:46 ↗ to fail I would replace them with the

25:47 ↗ heat pump uh for sure but if they're not

25:50 ↗ failing I'm going to you know let them

25:53 ↗ right keep running that's right and I

25:55 ↗ think the other trick there is um

25:59 ↗ you know being cognizant of folks saying

26:01 ↗ well I'll make that investment but I'm

26:02 ↗ gon pass the cost on to the renters and

26:05 ↗ um we end up with um uh rents going up

26:09 ↗ so to answer your question do we don't

26:11 ↗ have any programs specifically around

26:13 ↗ that right now it is something that

26:14 ↗ we're considering um as we think about

26:17 ↗ program expansion one of the

26:19 ↗ opportunities is to really think about

26:21 ↗ rental properties both you know single

26:23 ↗ family housing that's just non-owner

26:25 ↗ occupied as well as um a multif family

26:29 ↗ housing um of various types

26:33 ↗ so it is tricky right you know renters

26:36 ↗ come to us and uh they don't have the

26:38 ↗ authority to put a heat pump in and many

26:43 ↗ uh landlords aren't incentivized to do

26:45 ↗ it you just had the perfect example I'm

26:47 ↗ not going to just proactively do it I'm

26:49 ↗ G to wait till the furnace dies so I

26:51 ↗ think the question is is how do we make

26:53 ↗ sure that okay when the furnace dies we

26:55 ↗ can meet um Property Owners regardless

26:57 ↗ of whether it's owner occupied or not

26:59 ↗ where they're at and help them make that

27:02 ↗ good next choice um so it is something

27:05 ↗ we're looking at I don't have an answer

27:06 ↗ to it just yet but thank you for

27:08 ↗ bringing it up

27:11 ↗ you s I had a couple questions and

27:13 ↗ probably comments um is I'm curious the

27:17 ↗ learnings that you had from the initial

27:19 ↗ 22 low income is that is that coming in

27:23 ↗ the form of any sort of cap on the

27:25 ↗ amount of expenditure could you expand

27:26 ↗ on that a little bit how yeah because

27:28 ↗ like it seems like there's perverse

27:30 ↗ incentives both on the homeowner side to

27:31 ↗ get the best deal and the contractor to

27:33 ↗ provide deal situation so thank you for

27:36 ↗ asking that um first I need to give you

27:38 ↗ a little bit of a background on how that

27:39 ↗ aspect of our program is structured um

27:42 ↗ so the contracts are signed by the

27:45 ↗ homeowner with the contractor and funded

27:48 ↗ through coplink with a little bit of

27:50 ↗ guidance by somebody doing case

27:52 ↗ management so it's kind of like we all

27:53 ↗ agree we're moving forward that's sort

27:55 ↗ how it worked uh last year we opened it

27:58 ↗ up to anyone in our broad Network who

28:02 ↗ was a Mitsubishi Diamond dealer stff

28:04 ↗ like 40 dealers as long as they were

28:07 ↗ able to um and had the capacity to do

28:09 ↗ prevailing weight quotes which kind of

28:11 ↗ did narrow it down that narrowed it down

28:14 ↗ to about 15 different contractors who

28:17 ↗ did some of these installs and where it

28:18 ↗ got complicated was um specifically on

28:21 ↗ the unit economics so you would see

28:23 ↗ three different contractors come into a

28:25 ↗ home and have wildly different quotes

28:28 ↗ it could be $188,000 from one and like

28:31 ↗ $28,000 from another for very very

28:33 ↗ similar systems or even the same

28:35 ↗ equipment uh the second problem we saw

28:38 ↗ was that rebates we rely on rebates

28:41 ↗ because that especially the utility

28:43 ↗ rebates to be applied correctly because

28:44 ↗ that brings down the cost of the

28:46 ↗ installation so we want all of those

28:48 ↗ really assiduously applied and correctly

28:51 ↗ applied so we keep our cost down and it

28:54 ↗ was a lot of going back and forth with

28:55 ↗ the contractors and saying you forgot

28:56 ↗ this rebate you forgot that can you add

28:58 ↗ it um and then we saw um a lack of

29:02 ↗ consistency on um applying load

29:05 ↗ calculations to really properly size the

29:08 ↗ equipment and you could see that

29:09 ↗ reflected in the fact that three

29:10 ↗ contractors would go out out to a home

29:12 ↗ and come up with three different ideas

29:14 ↗ and what size heat pump you needed and

29:16 ↗ then you'd say well how did you

29:17 ↗ calculate that and they like I've been

29:19 ↗ doing this forever I know I know I know

29:22 ↗ so with that information in mind um last

29:25 ↗ year we had a unit cost of the Aver cost

29:28 ↗ was

29:29 ↗ 26,200 now keep in mind that included

29:31 ↗ some electrical upgrades drove that up

29:34 ↗ we wanted to see if we could bring that

29:35 ↗ down uh we did an RFP we have now three

29:39 ↗ dedicated

29:40 ↗ contractors and um they are incentivized

29:42 ↗ to keep the price under

29:44 ↗ $225,000 because if they go out and they

29:47 ↗ do the lead and they're able to convert

29:49 ↗ that lead and it's like a $22,000 heat

29:52 ↗ pump that we don't have to send it out

29:53 ↗ for a second bid so they are

29:55 ↗ incentivized to to try and do that and

29:57 ↗ by only working with three I have

29:59 ↗ quality control they're required to do a

30:02 ↗ loan calculation they're required to

30:03 ↗ send that documentation to us so that we

30:05 ↗ feel confident in how they sized it and

30:08 ↗ because I've worked with them you know

30:10 ↗ they know that I'm going to be checking

30:11 ↗ those rebates and they just apply them

30:12 ↗ correctly up front so that was um a a

30:16 ↗ major Improvement to the program and and

30:19 ↗ those costs are a little high as there I

30:20 ↗ mentioned we are required to do

30:22 ↗ prevailing wage because of our grant

30:23 ↗ funding and City funds about a 10%

30:26 ↗ premium

30:28 ↗ and then you said the 6.2 million that

30:31 ↗ you as it applied for is that all going

30:33 ↗ to go to that program or is that GNA

30:36 ↗ also feed into the middle income project

30:39 ↗ about 80% of it's going to go into the

30:41 ↗ low income program and 20% would be into

30:44 ↗ the middle income

30:46 ↗ program yeah one one of my comments and

30:48 ↗ I have a couple other questions and

30:49 ↗ comments but um I applaud that we're

30:52 ↗ trying to incentivize equity in this

30:55 ↗ transition but when you look at like you

30:58 ↗ look at the graph where it was roughly

30:59 ↗ 20% of a $22,000 install so roughly four

31:02 ↗ or 5,000 is the gap so if you were to

31:06 ↗ look at okay what do I need to do to

31:08 ↗ actually move the needle the most it's

31:09 ↗ how many people can you actually just

31:11 ↗ bridge that Gap and the fact that we're

31:14 ↗ overfunding certain people or at least

31:17 ↗ relative to that graph means that you

31:19 ↗ miss out on four or five with the same

31:21 ↗ amount of grant funding so that's

31:24 ↗ putting so much money into that we're

31:26 ↗ not necessarily prioritizing I think in

31:29 ↗ some ways it's like really drastically

31:31 ↗ not prioritizing carbon output or

31:33 ↗ outcomes so that's just something that

31:36 ↗ I'm sure you guys have all talked about

31:38 ↗ and discussed but that that is one

31:40 ↗ outcome of all the funding going into

31:42 ↗ that is that you're and there's another

31:44 ↗ point that I think is related to this

31:46 ↗ but yeah that that's just reducing with

31:49 ↗ the amount of funds we're not able to

31:51 ↗ drive as many installs no it's it's it's

31:53 ↗ a really good point I think when I first

31:55 ↗ started here I was thinking through a

31:57 ↗ lot of those kind of same math like how

32:00 ↗ do you want to think about this the the

32:02 ↗ the first thing I want to kind of just

32:03 ↗ clarify though is a lot of the grant

32:05 ↗ funding is specifically for low income

32:08 ↗ so we're applying for it and it needs to

32:10 ↗ go there so that's there's a direct tie

32:12 ↗ uh to that funding um the second

32:15 ↗ component is you'll see as as we as um

32:19 ↗ Stacy starts to put together um budgets

32:21 ↗ and so forth for the coming year what

32:22 ↗ we've tried to do is really break down

32:25 ↗ the the total Target and then break it

32:27 ↗ down by your demographics and try to

32:30 ↗ come up with a funding that's a

32:31 ↗ combination of grand city that helps you

32:34 ↗ try to have appropriate programing

32:36 ↗ against all of those numbers so um we're

32:40 ↗ we're g to see if we can try and do

32:43 ↗ all or come close to doing all um but

32:47 ↗ what we recognize is that if you don't

32:49 ↗ actually um prioritize at least as we go

32:53 ↗ trying to get some of these lower income

32:54 ↗ homes they just are never going to be

32:55 ↗ able to move over and there's a real

32:58 ↗ benefit it's not just a um a a carbon

33:02 ↗ reduction you know incentive it's like

33:04 ↗ there's a real benefit to getting

33:06 ↗ Cooling and um uh these benefits into

33:08 ↗ people's homes so we're trying to figure

33:10 ↗ out a way to manage that in aable

33:12 ↗ fashion yeah and I think um there's

33:14 ↗ limitations too on well Sarah mentioned

33:17 ↗ a lot of these grants are specifically

33:18 ↗ for low and mon income there's

33:20 ↗ limitations on who cities can provide

33:23 ↗ incentives and rebates to that was part

33:25 ↗ of our um partnership with jco is

33:28 ↗ they're able to offer a rebate to anyone

33:31 ↗ if we could increase that we would love

33:33 ↗ to see that um happen from the the

33:36 ↗ distributor um so we're a little bit

33:39 ↗ Bound by some of that I think we you

33:40 ↗ know we would love to be able to provide

33:42 ↗ an incentive or rebate to anyone that

33:44 ↗ was interested in the transition we're

33:45 ↗ just limited in terms of what the city

33:48 ↗ can do but what we are trying to do

33:50 ↗ Sarah mentioned is bring on this

33:52 ↗ marketing firm that hopefully can um

33:55 ↗ really help um increase the that we're

33:58 ↗ seeing that transition within our

33:59 ↗ residentials for those that don't

34:01 ↗ qualify for the income qualified reates

34:05 ↗ I think the second component to me

34:07 ↗ that's really important for um market

34:09 ↗ rate transition is the financing

34:11 ↗ component um and trying to get those

34:13 ↗ loans on Market um you know if you're in

34:16 ↗ the city of Seattle there's financing

34:18 ↗ down to

34:20 ↗ 4.5% through a nonprofit and we don't

34:23 ↗ have that on the east side and so really

34:25 ↗ starting to think about how can we make

34:26 ↗ sure that there's financing options I

34:28 ↗ think is a really key component of

34:32 ↗ this and and just clar I'm pretty is it

34:36 ↗ just gen ccoi dealers that are eligible

34:40 ↗ does is that the only time that an inso

34:42 ↗ would be eligible for not just the L

34:44 ↗ like for any of the SM side yeah for our

34:48 ↗ for our two program specific rebates um

34:51 ↗ they are Mitsubishi products through the

34:54 ↗ diamond dealer Network um I think we

34:57 ↗ need to product um Mitsubishi is a

35:00 ↗ top-of-the-line product it's a great

35:01 ↗ product I feel great about offering it

35:03 ↗ to Residents because I know it's going

35:05 ↗ to work well and be an awesome product

35:07 ↗ it's going to be quiet there are other

35:09 ↗ products out there that have good

35:11 ↗ efficiency ratings that are um cold

35:14 ↗ climate heat pumps they do qualify for

35:15 ↗ tax rebates and they're a little less

35:17 ↗ expensive and so one of the things we're

35:19 ↗ looking at this year is how to broaden

35:21 ↗ our distribution of our rebates so that

35:23 ↗ we can hit a bigger part of the market

35:26 ↗ and that's I think important as well

35:29 ↗ yeah I think that ties into my second

35:31 ↗ point which is I think right now we're

35:33 ↗ asking people to proactively go out

35:35 ↗ install teat pumps primarily because

35:37 ↗ we're like relying on Outreach because

35:38 ↗ we don't have a big base of contractors

35:40 ↗ out there that are eligible so if you

35:43 ↗ get more eligible contractors you don't

35:45 ↗ have to like the time to Tom's point the

35:48 ↗ best time to upgrade to a heat pump the

35:50 ↗ most cost ofit and for some background

35:52 ↗ I've spent six months like heavily

35:53 ↗ researching yeah saw so this is this is

35:57 ↗ a topic I'm probably going to go a

35:58 ↗ little B longer than I normally would in

36:00 ↗ the comments but um the best time is

36:03 ↗ getting the people that have to change

36:05 ↗ because it's they they already have the

36:06 ↗ opportunity cost like they're going to

36:08 ↗ have to they're gonna have to pay for

36:09 ↗ something and so it might as well be if

36:12 ↗ you can incentivize at the right time

36:13 ↗ heat pump and so because we're asking

36:16 ↗ people to proactively do it in a lot of

36:18 ↗ cases and we're not getting a lot of the

36:19 ↗ people that are reactively upgrading um

36:23 ↗ we're having to pay more to get those

36:24 ↗ people to do that and so that I I don't

36:27 ↗ know that's relating to why I don't NE

36:29 ↗ think that that it's a problem that it's

36:31 ↗ low income the problem I think is that

36:34 ↗ we're like potentially overfunding a

36:37 ↗ smaller group than we could even if it's

36:39 ↗ within low income because we're covering

36:40 ↗ that full cost if you can incentivize a

36:43 ↗ portion of it to just get it on parody

36:45 ↗ where they're going to have to do

36:46 ↗ something anyways I just it seems like

36:48 ↗ you're going to have a better bang for

36:50 ↗ the buck and I do think looking into how

36:52 ↗ we could expand a network um I love

36:55 ↗ mitsubichi I got a mitsub

37:00 ↗ hyper it's not about it's the fact

37:03 ↗ you're only hitting a certain group

37:04 ↗ contractor and I think the way that you

37:07 ↗ look at some of the programs down in

37:09 ↗ California through Bayon through like I

37:13 ↗ think this whole area I don't know if

37:15 ↗ this progr I think probably psse and

37:17 ↗ other people need to be involved but

37:19 ↗ like the way that you ultimately need to

37:22 ↗ sell these through is through the

37:23 ↗ contractor incentivizing absolutely

37:26 ↗ absolutely and you know one of the

37:28 ↗ things about like Bayon is um you know

37:30 ↗ their rate payer funded so they've had

37:32 ↗ the ability and they've been around for

37:34 ↗ over 10 years they've had the ability to

37:35 ↗ kind of build and expand and really have

37:37 ↗ stable funding for for that program um

37:41 ↗ we're you know we're head of an

37:42 ↗ incubator stage so we started with the

37:44 ↗ relationship with jensco Mitsubishi

37:47 ↗ Diamond dealer neor gave us 40 high

37:49 ↗ quality contractors so I think it was a

37:50 ↗ good place to start but yeah we need to

37:53 ↗ start thinking about how do we get them

37:55 ↗ more effectively through contractors

37:58 ↗ I do have one more thing and then we'll

37:59 ↗ hop other thing I've also heavily

38:02 ↗ researched Keat pump pricing and how

38:04 ↗ quotes are related to certain attributes

38:06 ↗ and one thing just to keep in mind is

38:08 ↗ there's generally a positive

38:10 ↗ relationship between size of the

38:12 ↗ contractor and the cost votes that you

38:15 ↗ see from them

38:16 ↗ so the one the comment you made about we

38:19 ↗ might go to the top 10 contractors you

38:21 ↗ might then get that average price might

38:24 ↗ go up so just something to keep in mind

38:25 ↗ is that and it's often I mean there are

38:27 ↗ there's trade-offs either way but that's

38:29 ↗ just they there I mean my quotes were

38:31 ↗ wildly different and and there was very

38:34 ↗ not just I was basing that comment on a

38:37 ↗ much broader data set but my my direct

38:41 ↗ experience I think I got seven or eight

38:42 ↗ quotes and for that out was like there

38:44 ↗ was a direct relationship between the

38:46 ↗ size of the contractor and the quote

38:50 ↗ there's other other things but just

38:51 ↗ something to keep in mind is that I

38:53 ↗ wouldn't necessarily just go to the

38:54 ↗ biggest contractors like um because

38:57 ↗ they're not necessarily it's going to be

38:58 ↗ the ones that will have best person

39:01 ↗ great feedback thank you Raj go

39:05 ↗ ahead okay thanks Jamie um so first I

39:09 ↗ just wanted to say I agree with Tom my

39:11 ↗ experience was the same when I'm looking

39:13 ↗ at heat pump transition transition to

39:15 ↗ heat pump um couple of contract two out

39:18 ↗ of the three contractors I spoke with

39:21 ↗ had no idea or did not give me any

39:24 ↗ information on the savings through the

39:26 ↗ program or anything um I was really

39:29 ↗ surprised so the contractor training

39:30 ↗ will definitely help um then I have a

39:33 ↗ question for Sarah um so the 22,000 you

39:37 ↗ know around the cost around 22,000 you

39:40 ↗ said for the unit um is it can I ask

39:44 ↗ what size is the house and is it

39:46 ↗ necessarily a high efficiency zero noise

39:50 ↗ type of uh you know unit because the

39:52 ↗ quotes I got that this seems higher than

39:55 ↗ that um so I would just CU is yeah um

40:00 ↗ that was a quote that was about 22,000

40:02 ↗ or 20 to 30,000 is the range um Seattle

40:05 ↗ Times has also been um they did some

40:08 ↗ research and also came up with the same

40:09 ↗ range and that reflected what I saw last

40:11 ↗ year um and that is anywhere from a 1500

40:15 ↗ foot house to a 3,000 square foot house

40:17 ↗ um the pricing when it's on the higher

40:19 ↗ end again often has to do with um uh

40:23 ↗ needing electrical upgrades so a main

40:25 ↗ panel upgrade could be $8,000 of that

40:28 ↗ $68,000 um and some homes do require

40:32 ↗ that and I think the the other component

40:35 ↗ is that's kind of assuming the scenario

40:38 ↗ which is a replacement of a gas furnace

40:42 ↗ with a ducted heat pump um and

40:45 ↗ it's sometimes um you know if you're in

40:48 ↗ a town home a condo a smaller unit

40:50 ↗ you've got maybe electric resistance

40:53 ↗ heating sometimes you don't have to

40:55 ↗ replace the heating alog together to put

40:56 ↗ in a mini split and that's generally a

40:58 ↗ much lower cost right um so just you

41:02 ↗ know just from um homeowner point of

41:06 ↗ view who wants to go to a heat pump and

41:09 ↗ who doesn't necessarily qualify for low

41:11 ↗ income or lot of rebates basically what

41:15 ↗ I had hurdles with was you know if I

41:17 ↗ want to I really would have loved to go

41:20 ↗ to complete electric you know to

41:22 ↗ actually reduce the carbon footprint but

41:24 ↗ when I look at that then I need to have

41:28 ↗ a generator you know so that like they

41:31 ↗ were telling me that I need to have a

41:33 ↗ backup generator for the whole house so

41:35 ↗ that you know in the event in winter

41:38 ↗ when there is no power there needs to be

41:40 ↗ something which will still run the heat

41:43 ↗ pump or something like that so there

41:45 ↗ were a lot of other issues so my

41:47 ↗ question was and I I really appreciate

41:49 ↗ you know how much the program is putting

41:51 ↗ in to increase you know the number of

41:53 ↗ heat pumps used or sold I was just

41:56 ↗ wondering if there there was a way you

41:58 ↗ know to

41:59 ↗ provide um some kind of incentives for

42:02 ↗ everybody as you said is through Jens

42:04 ↗ sco or you know so that other people who

42:07 ↗ don't get necessarily much cost benefit

42:11 ↗ from switching will still be you know

42:13 ↗ motivated just besides the

42:15 ↗ sustainability goals to move in the

42:17 ↗ right direction I was just curious if

42:19 ↗ there is anything which can be done for

42:21 ↗ that yeah well the good news is is

42:23 ↗ there's at the moment there's some

42:25 ↗ really great utility in set up so um

42:28 ↗ just to kind of break your question down

42:30 ↗ into a few different pieces um number

42:33 ↗ one even those folks that don't um

42:35 ↗ qualify for lower middle income can

42:38 ↗ receive up to $5,500 in incentives right

42:41 ↗ now and that's between the $2,000 tax

42:43 ↗ credit the $3,000 go El electric utility

42:46 ↗ rebate and the $500 jensco rebate so

42:49 ↗ there is like a nice um stacking and

42:51 ↗ that's what we really try to help

42:53 ↗ educate folks on and really understand

42:54 ↗ how they can stack these things together

42:57 ↗ efficiently so so that's good I think

43:00 ↗ where we see motivation um for folks to

43:03 ↗ proactively make this move and and where

43:05 ↗ you'll see is doing a lot of marketing

43:07 ↗ is when it's hot out um a lot of folks

43:10 ↗ don't still have central air

43:11 ↗ conditioning and that is a great time to

43:13 ↗ get people motivated um to think

43:16 ↗ proactively about um putting in a heat

43:18 ↗ pump so so that's you know pretty useful

43:22 ↗ as well and then we do hear the um the

43:25 ↗ comment about am I going to need a

43:26 ↗ generator and and all of that um you

43:29 ↗ know gas furnaces actually generally

43:31 ↗ speaking require some electricity to be

43:33 ↗ able to function so even if the power

43:36 ↗ went out today and you didn't have a

43:37 ↗ generator and you had a gas furnace you

43:39 ↗ would still not have heat so it's often

43:42 ↗ kind of a a little bit of a false

43:44 ↗ narrative so a lot of the things we do

43:46 ↗ in our workshops for example is kind of

43:47 ↗ walk people through that's that's one of

43:49 ↗ the questions we always we always take

43:51 ↗ and and

43:54 ↗ discuss and I think a dynamic a dynamic

43:57 ↗ may have experienced um is that

44:00 ↗ contractors will sell what they know and

44:02 ↗ if they're comfortable with gas vertices

44:05 ↗ they'll sell gas

44:08 ↗ pures yeah thank you

44:14 ↗ absolutely go

44:16 ↗ ahead U yes so one other little

44:18 ↗ anecdotal thing that ties in with that

44:21 ↗ the approach different contractors you

44:23 ↗ so one of the bids that I got the

44:25 ↗ contractor was recommending that um I do

44:29 ↗ the install with the heat pump ducted

44:31 ↗ system but also replace my gas f with a

44:34 ↗ little bit scholar gas fir for backup

44:36 ↗ purposes cor and I thought well this is

44:39 ↗ weird I mean he's part of this program

44:41 ↗ that is specifically focused on on

44:44 ↗ electrifying and he's recommending that

44:46 ↗ I'm

44:47 ↗ stilling I I had the exact same

44:49 ↗ experience when I got a keep pump this

44:51 ↗ fall one of the contractors recommended

44:53 ↗ that um that's not uncommon so there's

44:55 ↗ really three configurations for a heat

44:57 ↗ pump there's a cool climate heat

44:59 ↗ pump a standard heat pump with a gas

45:02 ↗ furnace backup basically it'll kick into

45:04 ↗ the gas furnace when it's at 30 or 40

45:06 ↗ degrees or a heat pump with a what they

45:09 ↗ call an electric heat strip backups

45:11 ↗ electric resistance heat um one of the

45:15 ↗ things I do is is when we're talking to

45:17 ↗ Residents I try not to be too judgmental

45:19 ↗ about these kind of things we just sort

45:20 ↗ of talk about

45:22 ↗ them one at a time there are times

45:25 ↗ sometimes when it makes sense for

45:26 ↗ somebody have a gas furnace backup um

45:29 ↗ but most of the time once you kind of

45:30 ↗ explain that a coold climate heat pump

45:32 ↗ is just an all-in-one solution uh

45:34 ↗ they'll look at that as the preferred

45:36 ↗ option but if they don't know it and

45:39 ↗ again this kind of comes back to

45:40 ↗ contractor education and having the

45:42 ↗ folks in your network that are really

45:43 ↗ kind of bought in on the mission um they

45:46 ↗ might not mention that and they'll put

45:48 ↗ that as like the preferred solution so

45:51 ↗ uh that is very much a dynamic and I

45:53 ↗ hear that a lot people will often get

45:57 ↗ like

45:59 ↗ that that ties in I think the education

46:02 ↗ and like the coaching piece like that's

46:04 ↗ cool that you guys are S I know that

46:05 ↗ there's there some town in Connecticut

46:07 ↗ that's like the leader in like coaching

46:09 ↗ their residents and it's been like I was

46:11 ↗ looking at their program was really

46:12 ↗ impressive yeah but the complexity of

46:15 ↗ getting a heat pump versus a furnace is

46:18 ↗ really significant and we interviewed a

46:21 ↗ ton of people that had gotten heat pumps

46:23 ↗ and so many people didn't understand

46:25 ↗ nuances of what they were getting

46:27 ↗ sizing low calculations so I do think

46:30 ↗ the other thing you if you expand me on

46:32 ↗ Mitsubishi Mitsubishi is some of the

46:34 ↗ best cold climate there's a lot of stuff

46:35 ↗ that falls off more at low temps when

46:37 ↗ you get outside of Mitsubishi as the

46:40 ↗ manufacturer so people are going to have

46:41 ↗ to be making harder decisions I think on

46:44 ↗ the on between those configurations so I

46:46 ↗ do think a good investment of the

46:48 ↗ program would be how do we make sure

46:51 ↗ that we have people getting good

46:52 ↗ outcomes as well like being confident

46:54 ↗ through the process and and getting a

46:57 ↗ good outcome because I know that for my

46:59 ↗ house if I didn't already know a lot

47:01 ↗ about heat pumps I probably would not

47:03 ↗ have had a good outcome and I think

47:05 ↗ there I had friends and people that we

47:06 ↗ interviewed that had bad outcomes like

47:09 ↗ under siiz they didn't understand sizing

47:12 ↗ all those types of things that they

47:14 ↗ should questions they could or should

47:16 ↗ have been asking that that there's no

47:17 ↗ guide right now to heat pump so I think

47:20 ↗ what coaching is one thing but also

47:22 ↗ guide the questions you should be asking

47:24 ↗ resources for people in the program

47:26 ↗ would be super helpful because it's not

47:28 ↗ as straightforward as like okay I want a

47:30 ↗ furnace and it needs to be picking up

47:32 ↗ just put the same one I had siid I had

47:34 ↗ in like it's a lot more complicated so

47:38 ↗ definitely would would would encourage

47:40 ↗ efforts to whether static well education

47:43 ↗ as well as resources like you being

47:46 ↗ sounds

47:50 ↗ like great lots of good feedback thank

47:53 ↗ you um I'm just going to take one minute

47:55 ↗ to kind of talk about what's next which

47:57 ↗ Shar Sarah already talked a bit about so

48:00 ↗ we are um planning to continue with the

48:04 ↗ energy smart program our 5c partnership

48:06 ↗ it's now

48:07 ↗ expanding um and uh along with that we a

48:13 ↗ number of the cities are really

48:14 ↗ interested in looking at other

48:16 ↗ electrification incentives as you heard

48:18 ↗ and you know key pumps are very

48:20 ↗ expensive in many cases it's not going

48:22 ↗ to be the first piece of equipment

48:24 ↗ that's on um advances to Electrify their

48:27 ↗ home just because of that cost barrier

48:30 ↗ um so we're interested in seeing what

48:32 ↗ else folks want and what kind of

48:34 ↗ incentive or rebate level would help

48:37 ↗ them make that transition um is it going

48:40 ↗ to be the water heater would it be a

48:42 ↗ induction stove um for all the other

48:44 ↗ benefits that induction stoves offer as

48:47 ↗ well as the

48:48 ↗ electrification um or something else so

48:52 ↗ um with some Commerce funding um and in

48:56 ↗ partnership with a couple other cities

48:57 ↗ we're planning to start doing some

48:59 ↗ community outreach this summer and

49:02 ↗ really hear from the community what

49:04 ↗ they're interested in um and what those

49:06 ↗ programs and get information that would

49:08 ↗ help shape what those programs look like

49:11 ↗ um hoping to put together a very um

49:14 ↗ simple pilot that we could use then to

49:16 ↗ possibly grow the Energy Smart brand and

49:19 ↗ expand um across the multi-city

49:21 ↗ partnership in the future um so more to

49:24 ↗ come on that but that's kind of our next

49:26 ↗ purle step is really to go out and hear

49:28 ↗ what community members want to help them

49:30 ↗ make that next um transition to

49:33 ↗ Electrify their

49:35 ↗ homes one other uh so one other

49:38 ↗ consideration or one like obviously

49:40 ↗ Community feedback will be a great

49:41 ↗ element think the other thing you guys

49:43 ↗ may want to consider looking at is the

49:46 ↗ economic case for because like water

49:49 ↗ heaing to me seems like that that's the

49:52 ↗ one that is borderline already in

49:54 ↗ someone's favor to get a a keep pum

49:56 ↗ water heater so if you can incentivize

49:59 ↗ that it's lower

50:00 ↗ dollars it's like really easy to make

50:03 ↗ the economic case with relatively low

50:05 ↗ incentives so like that one to me seems

50:07 ↗ like so I hope that it's not just

50:09 ↗ Community feedback I think that's

50:10 ↗ probably the feedback you'll get anyways

50:12 ↗ but like the other part of it I think

50:14 ↗ would would be just what is the economic

50:16 ↗ case and how do we make sure that we

50:17 ↗ could move over as many people basically

50:19 ↗ doing the calculation of what your

50:21 ↗ dollars to carbon would be so um no that

50:25 ↗ uh will be interesting see what the is

50:30 ↗ yes right that's it thank you very much

50:34 ↗ thanks Sarah than for having

50:40 ↗ me all right I think with that then we

50:43 ↗ will move on to our next um next item

50:46 ↗ which is the comprehensive plan

50:48 ↗ environmental environment element update

50:52 ↗ um and Stacey are you g to give a

50:54 ↗ preamble or isck preamble um so thank

50:57 ↗ you I sent a bit of a long explanation

51:01 ↗ over email about this but originally we

51:04 ↗ had planned to bring the full

51:06 ↗ environment element with all of the

51:08 ↗ input from the board incorporated into

51:10 ↗ it as well as other elements of the comp

51:13 ↗ plan for review this month that was the

51:15 ↗ original schedule um the environment

51:19 ↗ element as well as the rest of the

51:20 ↗ element are still undergoing staff

51:23 ↗ review um it's also been out to a number

51:25 ↗ of partner organizations s to get

51:28 ↗ feedback and staff are working through

51:30 ↗ all that feedback um and so Stephen will

51:33 ↗ talk in a little bit more depth about

51:34 ↗ the um anticipated schedule but at this

51:38 ↗ point we're looking to bring those um

51:40 ↗ final draft materials to you this summer

51:44 ↗ um but we it's been two three months

51:47 ↗ since we talked to you and took your

51:49 ↗ feedback um on the environment element

51:51 ↗ and so we didn't want to wait another

51:53 ↗ couple months before um updating you on

51:56 ↗ where we are are um so tonight we wanted

51:58 ↗ just to walk through kind of where we

52:00 ↗ are in terms of incorporating the

52:02 ↗ environmental board feedback into the

52:04 ↗ environment element um and then how

52:07 ↗ staff are planning to address uh the the

52:09 ↗ comments and revisions that we

52:13 ↗ received so with that um I think Nancy

52:16 ↗ has a question and then I'll hand it

52:18 ↗ over to Stephen and David to walk

52:20 ↗ through

52:22 ↗ materials so I guess the question that I

52:24 ↗ have is related to since some of us may

52:28 ↗ not be on the environmental board

52:30 ↗ starting next month and provided input

52:32 ↗ because there is a

52:33 ↗ transition

52:35 ↗ and myself I'm very interested in how

52:38 ↗ this all plays out and may not be on the

52:40 ↗ board next month so how do we get our

52:43 ↗ input and find out what's happening and

52:45 ↗ continue to you know effectively

52:48 ↗ communicate our interest in this yeah

52:52 ↗ thanks Nancy that was um One

52:55 ↗ Reason show um yeah we were originally

52:58 ↗ really hoping to bring this content to

53:00 ↗ the board um this month um it's just not

53:05 ↗ ready um so what you will see tonight is

53:09 ↗ a summary of how staff are planning to

53:13 ↗ address um all the comments received

53:16 ↗ from the environmental board and then um

53:20 ↗ and that was sent out in the meeting

53:21 ↗ packet and then we can share also with

53:24 ↗ the board the full schedule so they know

53:27 ↗ how to engage going

53:30 ↗ forward so sharing the full

53:33 ↗ schedule is that happening tonight or is

53:37 ↗ that gonna happen in the future just

53:38 ↗ trying to track

53:40 ↗ timing yeah I think Stephen will be uh

53:43 ↗ talking through maybe that's a good time

53:45 ↗ for me to jump in and and kind of talk

53:47 ↗ through timeline and why the schedule

53:49 ↗ changed um thank you Stacy and thank you

53:53 ↗ board members for having me tonight so

53:55 ↗ just wanted to talk through some of the

53:58 ↗ changes that we had to the project

53:59 ↗ schedule to update the comprehensive

54:00 ↗ plan a big reason why we had to change

54:02 ↗ of schedule is because um our

54:04 ↗ Consultants needed more time to work

54:06 ↗ through the Eis that we were doing for

54:08 ↗ the comence plan many of you probably

54:10 ↗ remember when we had the discussion

54:12 ↗ introducing the comprehensive Plan

54:14 ↗ update um for this periodic update that

54:18 ↗ we were completely redoing our

54:20 ↗ environmental impact statement for the

54:21 ↗ comp plan which was last done in 1995 so

54:25 ↗ we had a lot to cover in terms of

54:27 ↗ reading all previous sea documents and

54:30 ↗ that is what's actually taking a little

54:32 ↗ more time with our consultant and staff

54:33 ↗ in terms of back and forth of covering

54:35 ↗ making sure everything's being covered

54:37 ↗ for this comprehensive Plan update uh

54:39 ↗ the other component of a lot of this is

54:41 ↗ making sure that we're doing a thorough

54:44 ↗ job in reviewing all of the draft

54:46 ↗ elements and going across the board in

54:48 ↗ terms of um with this new element that

54:52 ↗ the language and the new policies and

54:53 ↗ the goals are consistent with what we've

54:55 ↗ introduced in um some of the other

54:58 ↗ elements that are being updated some of

55:00 ↗ the other elements are being updated

55:02 ↗ with new functional plans or updated

55:04 ↗ functional plans and we want to make

55:06 ↗ sure the cons language is consistent

55:08 ↗ across not just the comprehensive plan

55:10 ↗ but also with those new functional plan

55:12 ↗ updates as well and so that is now we're

55:15 ↗ aiming for probably a July release of

55:18 ↗ all the elements to all the boards

55:20 ↗ commissions as well as a broader

55:22 ↗ community outreach of here's draft um

55:25 ↗ here's the process for the periodic

55:27 ↗ update and here's all the draft language

55:29 ↗ for all the elements as well as the

55:31 ↗ draft e which we're hoping to release at

55:33 ↗ the same time we're with this updated

55:36 ↗ schedule we're aiming to um get Council

55:40 ↗ adoption of the of the periodic uptake

55:43 ↗ in

55:44 ↗ December does that help answer your

55:50 ↗ question sorry Stephen I turned my pH my

55:53 ↗ mic off uh it did thank you very much

55:58 ↗ and I will turn it over to David to kind

56:01 ↗ of walk through uh updates and I'm

56:03 ↗ available for

56:05 ↗ questions yeah so um thanks to everyone

56:09 ↗ for first off for for your detailed

56:11 ↗ review um earlier this year um we really

56:15 ↗ wanted to make sure we had this uh this

56:17 ↗ Matrix so that we could really capture

56:20 ↗ all of the board's feedback and

56:22 ↗ suggestions track changes and input um

56:25 ↗ into the environment element and so um

56:28 ↗ recognizing that you do not have a full

56:31 ↗ uh full narrative in front of you with

56:35 ↗ the policies um we wanted to kind of go

56:37 ↗ through and and touch on some of the the

56:40 ↗ um bigger changes and uh highlight just

56:44 ↗ some of the the bigger efforts that uh

56:46 ↗ are kind of happening behind the scenes

56:47 ↗ right now to incorporate um all of your

56:50 ↗ y'all's uh

56:51 ↗ feedback so uh the way this is split up

56:54 ↗ I'm going to start kind of with some

56:56 ↗ General comments that were Incorporated

56:58 ↗ we'll go into some of the new and

57:00 ↗ existing policies uh updates and then uh

57:04 ↗ with Stephen here we can take any

57:06 ↗ questions kind of on our update process

57:10 ↗ so far right now or or any clarifying

57:12 ↗ questions on um efforts that have been

57:14 ↗ done so

57:16 ↗ far so uh just kind of broadly speaking

57:19 ↗ about the environment element one of the

57:21 ↗ the major things that we heard from the

57:22 ↗ board um back in January was uh related

57:26 ↗ to The Narrative the introductory

57:28 ↗ narrative and uh making sure that that

57:31 ↗ um both aligned more with our title

57:33 ↗ making sure that uh that introductory

57:35 ↗ narrative really aligned with everything

57:37 ↗ that was going to be incorporated within

57:39 ↗ the environment element um so we've done

57:42 ↗ some rearranging we've updated uh that

57:45 ↗ introductory narrative so now it begins

57:47 ↗ with um the natural environment uh uh

57:51 ↗ narrative around the natural environment

57:52 ↗ we've Incorporated some quick facts

57:54 ↗ related to the natural environment

57:56 ↗ before going into um climate change

58:00 ↗ aspects mitigation adaptation um and um

58:05 ↗ Exposition around uh climate change and

58:08 ↗ then the uh the policies and goals

58:10 ↗ within the environment element were also

58:12 ↗ switched around to uh match that uh that

58:16 ↗ format so again when when uh you'll see

58:18 ↗ the full uh version of this later this

58:21 ↗ summer it will begin with environment uh

58:23 ↗ natural environment goals before going

58:25 ↗ into climate

58:28 ↗ goals

58:29 ↗ um there was some updates to uh all of

58:33 ↗ the numbers and um some uh some updates

58:37 ↗ to the vision uh vision's statements uh

58:41 ↗ for the the um to make sure that the

58:45 ↗ vision also Incorporated both natural

58:48 ↗ systems natural environment as well as

58:50 ↗ climate goals um as

58:52 ↗ well so there's details uh Within what

58:56 ↗ was attached to the packet there's some

58:58 ↗ detailed um explanations of what some of

59:00 ↗ the changes were made related to

59:03 ↗ different uh specific comments um from

59:06 ↗ board members on the the version

59:08 ↗ provided in

59:11 ↗ January um diving more into um uh One

59:18 ↗ Last Thing Before diving into the The

59:20 ↗ Narrative the policies themselves um

59:22 ↗ there were a few items that we talked

59:25 ↗ about including more in the broad

59:27 ↗ language versus in policies themselves

59:29 ↗ and uh so that included things like um

59:32 ↗ some broad overarching Equity language

59:34 ↗ some broad overarching language related

59:37 ↗ to um Community engagement education

59:40 ↗ incentives things like that and really

59:42 ↗ what we tried to do throughout the the

59:45 ↗ um environment element was continue to

59:49 ↗ infuse uh language related to supporting

59:52 ↗ education supporting um incentives

59:55 ↗ inspir Hing community members um and

59:58 ↗ then also making sure that there was

59:59 ↗ Equity language really embedded within

1:00:02 ↗ uh policies throughout the environment

1:00:04 ↗ element and one of the feedback that

1:00:06 ↗ we've gotten from uh Department of

1:00:08 ↗ Commerce was that that really especially

1:00:10 ↗ related to the equity language um that

1:00:13 ↗ was really in line with the the recent

1:00:15 ↗ uh state law passed uh House Bill 1181

1:00:19 ↗ which was kind of the impetus for uh

1:00:22 ↗ starting or putting together an

1:00:24 ↗ environment element um

1:00:26 ↗ as well and that that house bill really

1:00:29 ↗ or that law was spe is specifically

1:00:31 ↗ asking for some of that Equity language

1:00:32 ↗ infused into the policies

1:00:35 ↗ themselves do you want me to I think my

1:00:38 ↗ computer's back up do you want me to

1:00:40 ↗ show oh um I think I'm good for now um

1:00:45 ↗ we might help help me jump around a

1:00:48 ↗ little bit as well within the uh uh

1:00:51 ↗ document shared as well there are some

1:00:53 ↗ items highlighted in yellow um and

1:00:55 ↗ that's just recognize that um we talked

1:00:58 ↗ about a lot of changes we'd like to see

1:01:00 ↗ and although some of those changes we

1:01:02 ↗ felt like we could incorporate into the

1:01:04 ↗ comprehensive plan um now there are

1:01:07 ↗ definitely some items that we felt like

1:01:10 ↗ we couldn't really address until we did

1:01:12 ↗ the uh climate Action Plan update in

1:01:14 ↗ 2025 and

1:01:16 ↗ 2026 so that's a a little segue into

1:01:19 ↗ kind of the existing policy suggestions

1:01:22 ↗ related to existing policies there was

1:01:24 ↗ definitely interest both uh on the

1:01:26 ↗ environmental board um and then also

1:01:28 ↗ within city council about uh increasing

1:01:31 ↗ our ability to speak to um the uh

1:01:35 ↗ percent of emissions reduction that

1:01:37 ↗ needs to come from our local action um

1:01:40 ↗ and I so and staff generally felt like

1:01:43 ↗ with the the greenhouse gas inventory we

1:01:45 ↗ did in 2022 and with the information we

1:01:48 ↗ have from our previous wedge analyses

1:01:50 ↗ not having been updated since 2019 we

1:01:54 ↗ did not feel like we could really update

1:01:57 ↗ that within um this comprehensive Plan

1:02:00 ↗ update at this point but that um it is

1:02:02 ↗ highlighted to make sure that we do talk

1:02:04 ↗ about that within um the uh climate

1:02:07 ↗ Action Plan update process in 2025 and

1:02:11 ↗ 2026 um that's something that we uh are

1:02:14 ↗ going to make sure that we address at

1:02:15 ↗ that time da a question on that yes um

1:02:20 ↗ is our is our next um our next inventory

1:02:24 ↗ this year is 202 2025 the next carbon

1:02:27 ↗ inventory so the next car the next

1:02:29 ↗ inventory is expected to be for the 2024

1:02:33 ↗ year which means that we won't be able

1:02:35 ↗ to start until 2025 and the hope and

1:02:39 ↗ plan is to really uh be ready and get

1:02:42 ↗ going with that early so that it can we

1:02:44 ↗ can get a wedge analysis and have that

1:02:46 ↗ inform the IAP update process in I don't

1:02:49 ↗ want to drill it just would be curious

1:02:51 ↗ if there is any methodology changes that

1:02:54 ↗ we need to make to that to enable the

1:02:56 ↗ local I'm assuming that that will be

1:02:59 ↗ incorporated into the process if there's

1:03:02 ↗ anything in the methodology for doing

1:03:04 ↗ that

1:03:05 ↗ calculation for the wedge analysis in

1:03:07 ↗ the next greenhouse gas inventory Bas it

1:03:10 ↗ sounds like there was some concerns that

1:03:12 ↗ the way that we've been doing

1:03:14 ↗ our inventories in the past is would

1:03:17 ↗ make it difficult to apply it what's

1:03:19 ↗ local versus not so I'm wondering is

1:03:21 ↗ there anything in method in the

1:03:22 ↗ methodology how we do the next analysis

1:03:24 ↗ that would would make it easier to do

1:03:26 ↗ that and so is that being incorporated

1:03:28 ↗ into how we might run it for this

1:03:31 ↗ year next year gotcha yeah so generally

1:03:35 ↗ the way um and and this is based on my

1:03:38 ↗ understanding of kind of how we've

1:03:39 ↗ Incorporated the wedge analyses in the

1:03:41 ↗ past um it's not

1:03:44 ↗ necessarily that we the methodology

1:03:47 ↗ needs to change too much it's more of an

1:03:50 ↗ additional uh expense and effort on top

1:03:54 ↗ of the what we're already doing with the

1:03:56 ↗ greenhouse gas inventory and generally

1:03:59 ↗ what uh cities uh and others have found

1:04:03 ↗ is that kind of updating that wedge on

1:04:06 ↗ say a yearly basis or something doesn't

1:04:08 ↗ provide much change in in understanding

1:04:13 ↗ um and so it shouldn't require any

1:04:16 ↗ update to the greenhouse gas inventory

1:04:18 ↗ methodology it'll just be kind of an add

1:04:20 ↗ on that we have to pay more for

1:04:22 ↗ essentially next next round thank you

1:04:26 ↗ um so with existing policies I've talked

1:04:29 ↗ about this first one that's kind of that

1:04:30 ↗ that local

1:04:32 ↗ goal uh thinking about what percent of

1:04:34 ↗ our greenhouse gas emissions we can

1:04:36 ↗ address via

1:04:37 ↗ local

1:04:38 ↗ um and then uh a number of the other

1:04:42 ↗ changes made we've really tried to um

1:04:46 ↗ incorporate language where feasible

1:04:50 ↗ either within the the um policies

1:04:52 ↗ recommended or if it didn't fit within

1:04:54 ↗ that policy into other uh into other

1:04:57 ↗ policies as well additionally some of

1:05:00 ↗ the policies recommended we didn't end

1:05:01 ↗ up making changes to because they

1:05:03 ↗ aligned with regional goals and efforts

1:05:06 ↗ such as uh the k4c K County uh cities

1:05:10 ↗ climate collaborative um agreed upon

1:05:13 ↗ goals that that we are a signatory of so

1:05:15 ↗ some of our goals kind of remain the

1:05:17 ↗ same because we wanted to make sure

1:05:18 ↗ we're aligned

1:05:22 ↗ regionally um diving into new goals and

1:05:25 ↗ policies um again I just wanted to

1:05:28 ↗ mention that we did not include any new

1:05:31 ↗ a new goal area around inspiration or

1:05:34 ↗ education but instead what we wanted to

1:05:36 ↗ make sure is that that language was

1:05:38 ↗ incorporated throughout all of the other

1:05:41 ↗ goal areas so you will see um in the

1:05:44 ↗ summer that there is language related to

1:05:46 ↗ education incentives inspiration Etc

1:05:49 ↗ into say the building section into the

1:05:53 ↗ um waste reduction section

1:05:57 ↗ Etc another highlight is that we are

1:05:59 ↗ going to have a new um Wildlife policy

1:06:05 ↗ um a wildlife goal excuse me um and that

1:06:08 ↗ goal area is going to really be uh have

1:06:12 ↗ uh policies pulled out um from the the

1:06:17 ↗ land use policies the land use goals um

1:06:20 ↗ in previous comprehensive plans um and

1:06:23 ↗ Stephen can speak to that a little bit

1:06:25 ↗ more if folks have other

1:06:27 ↗ questions and then there are also there

1:06:29 ↗ were also some goals suggested suggested

1:06:33 ↗ that um we're exploring opportunities to

1:06:35 ↗ incorporate them actually within uh the

1:06:37 ↗ land use uh the existing land use

1:06:40 ↗ elements um so a big part of what kind

1:06:43 ↗ of uh what happened with the uh new

1:06:47 ↗ policy suggestions was a little bit of a

1:06:49 ↗ a jigsaw kind of figuring out um what

1:06:52 ↗ what is is a new policy what can be

1:06:55 ↗ incorporated into an existing policy

1:06:57 ↗ what needs to go to the land use element

1:06:59 ↗ because it doesn't quite fit within the

1:07:01 ↗ environment element um and that's really

1:07:03 ↗ what staff have been working on behind

1:07:05 ↗ the scenes over the last few

1:07:09 ↗ months uh finally jumping down towards

1:07:13 ↗ the end um I want to note that staff

1:07:16 ↗ have were able to agree with or agreed

1:07:19 ↗ with board input around uh uh making

1:07:23 ↗ revisions to language to really

1:07:24 ↗ strengthen that language um and so some

1:07:27 ↗ of those additions and edits were made

1:07:29 ↗ throughout the the

1:07:31 ↗ element um and then um we have been

1:07:37 ↗ reviewing and Steven's team has been

1:07:38 ↗ doing a ton of work on this making sure

1:07:41 ↗ that there is

1:07:42 ↗ consistency um between the environment

1:07:45 ↗ element the land use element the

1:07:46 ↗ transportation element and making sure

1:07:48 ↗ that all of these different elements are

1:07:49 ↗ speaking to each other and in alignment

1:07:52 ↗ with each

1:07:53 ↗ other so I know that's kind of the the

1:07:56 ↗ almost 10,000 foot overview even of this

1:07:59 ↗ document of uh how we've Incorporated

1:08:02 ↗ changes um but we did want to make sure

1:08:04 ↗ that we provided uh that we looped back

1:08:07 ↗ in with the environment board since uh

1:08:09 ↗ yall provided such good uh and thorough

1:08:12 ↗ comments back in January to make sure

1:08:13 ↗ that uh it wasn't too long before you

1:08:15 ↗ heard how we were were dealing with this

1:08:17 ↗ behind the

1:08:18 ↗ scenes at this point are there any

1:08:21 ↗ questions on anything you saw in the

1:08:23 ↗ board packet or anything that I talked

1:08:25 ↗ about to

1:08:38 ↗ well thank you all very much um this is

1:08:41 ↗ not the last time you'll hear about the

1:08:42 ↗ comp plan update um and I'm sure Stephen

1:08:45 ↗ myself and and others will be happy to

1:08:48 ↗ continue to work with yall on this yeah

1:08:51 ↗ we'll be back this summer um on this

1:08:53 ↗ topic and plan on i' say probably a

1:08:56 ↗ minimum of 10day review options with

1:08:59 ↗ some guided um input on

1:09:02 ↗ review um but we'll aim for even greater

1:09:05 ↗ time for review given the amount of

1:09:06 ↗ content we'll be looking

1:09:09 ↗ at okay thank you for joining us Stephen

1:09:11 ↗ and thank you David um I think with that

1:09:14 ↗ we'll move on to our next agenda item

1:09:17 ↗ which is the storm water plan dat thanks

1:09:22 ↗ Stephen great um great we have and Evan

1:09:25 ↗ join us tonight last time I tried to

1:09:27 ↗ share my screen it crashed my computer

1:09:30 ↗ so let me see if I could bring it up my

1:09:32 ↗ just give

1:09:35 ↗ [Music]

1:09:37 ↗ me right it's working it's

1:09:40 ↗ [Music]

1:09:42 ↗ working all right go ahead Mike all

1:09:45 ↗ right well good evening everyone as

1:09:47 ↗ Stacy mentioned my name is Mike um I'm

1:09:50 ↗ the Water Resources program specialist

1:09:52 ↗ for the city of isqua I'm over in public

1:09:54 ↗ works environment mental um and part of

1:09:57 ↗ my position is coordinating the city's

1:09:59 ↗ storm water permit which you'll also

1:10:01 ↗ hear uh referred to as the npds permit

1:10:04 ↗ as well um yeah excited to be here

1:10:07 ↗ tonight it's first time talking to the

1:10:09 ↗ environmental board um always excited to

1:10:11 ↗ get a talk to folks who care about

1:10:12 ↗ sustainability and the environment so

1:10:15 ↗ looking forward to this all right thank

1:10:18 ↗ you all right so just real quick

1:10:21 ↗ overview of what I'll be talking about

1:10:23 ↗ tonight um just giving a quick

1:10:24 ↗ background to the npds permit or the

1:10:26 ↗ storm water permit um going over a few

1:10:30 ↗ updates from our 2023 annual report

1:10:33 ↗ which we just submitted to uh the

1:10:35 ↗ department of ecology and then giving

1:10:38 ↗ some up or uh highlighting some of our

1:10:42 ↗ 2024 storm water management program plan

1:10:44 ↗ as well which is always released around

1:10:47 ↗ the same time and then if there's any

1:10:49 ↗ time um open to questions and um also

1:10:52 ↗ open to questions as we're going through

1:10:54 ↗ this if anyone has them this say come

1:10:56 ↗ up all right so what is the npds permit

1:11:00 ↗ uh it is a long acronym to start that

1:11:03 ↗ not everyone's familiar with so it

1:11:05 ↗ stands with national pollution discharge

1:11:07 ↗ elimination system um this is basically

1:11:13 ↗ it boils down to um it's a permit that

1:11:15 ↗ we get from the Washington State

1:11:17 ↗ Department of ecology uh and it

1:11:20 ↗ regulates storm Waters discharge to our

1:11:22 ↗ surface waters or Waters of the state um

1:11:26 ↗ you can go ahead and go to the next

1:11:30 ↗ slide perfect um all right

1:11:35 ↗ so the storm water permit is uh broken

1:11:39 ↗ down into 10 different sections um but

1:11:43 ↗ overall the overarching goal of the npds

1:11:46 ↗ permit is to reduce pollution from the

1:11:49 ↗ city storm water system to surface

1:11:51 ↗ waters as I mentioned a second ago um

1:11:54 ↗ just to protect water quality right do

1:11:55 ↗ our part um so there's 10 different

1:11:58 ↗ sections in the permit I'll be talking

1:12:00 ↗ about a good number of these tonight but

1:12:02 ↗ not all of them uh each section uh has

1:12:06 ↗ different levels of change over years as

1:12:09 ↗ we provide these updates so I'll be

1:12:11 ↗ highlighting some of the main changes

1:12:12 ↗ that we saw from 2022 to

1:12:15 ↗ 2023 um the 10 different sections are

1:12:17 ↗ storm water planning public education

1:12:20 ↗ and Outreach public involvement and

1:12:22 ↗ participation mapping and documentation

1:12:25 ↗ elicit discharge detection and

1:12:26 ↗ elimination controlling runoff from new

1:12:29 ↗ development Redevelopment and

1:12:30 ↗ construction sites operations and

1:12:32 ↗ maintenance Source control program for

1:12:34 ↗ existing development total maximum daily

1:12:37 ↗ loads or tmdls you may have been uh you

1:12:39 ↗ may have heard them called before and

1:12:40 ↗ then monitoring and

1:12:43 ↗ assessment next

1:12:47 ↗ one all right um as I mentioned I'll be

1:12:50 ↗ covering updates uh from the 2023 annual

1:12:53 ↗ report and briefly touching on the 2024

1:12:56 ↗ storm water plan uh every year we

1:12:58 ↗ required to submit an annual report by

1:13:00 ↗ March 31st um along with our management

1:13:04 ↗ uh program plan as well uh outlining how

1:13:06 ↗ we met permit requirements and then how

1:13:08 ↗ we plan to be meeting those same or

1:13:11 ↗ additional requirements in the upcoming

1:13:13 ↗ year as well um so that's the annual

1:13:16 ↗ reports where you'll be seeing those

1:13:17 ↗ metrics I'm showing tonight um where

1:13:18 ↗ they came

1:13:19 ↗ from uh in

1:13:23 ↗ 2024 thanks uh 2024 let's see here um

1:13:27 ↗ there were no major changes or items

1:13:30 ↗ that had policy implications um really

1:13:34 ↗ this year is the last year for the

1:13:36 ↗ current permit term that we're in right

1:13:37 ↗ now so there were a couple or a few uh

1:13:40 ↗ new requirements but we're really

1:13:42 ↗ looking at most of um future

1:13:46 ↗ requirements coming in a permit that

1:13:47 ↗ we've yet to see the final form of this

1:13:50 ↗ summer um so those will be reflected in

1:13:55 ↗ our upcoming management uh program plan

1:13:57 ↗ for

1:13:59 ↗ 2025 all right and I see a hand raised

1:14:04 ↗ yeah p p go

1:14:05 ↗ ahead yeah hi hi Mike uh this is paj and

1:14:10 ↗ so the question I have is this permit

1:14:13 ↗ I'm guessing it covers only all the city

1:14:17 ↗ projects and basically runoffs and you

1:14:21 ↗ know discharges from the city projects

1:14:23 ↗ and City properties city office acquire

1:14:25 ↗ properties right not

1:14:28 ↗ every residential or other businesses or

1:14:31 ↗ anything in the city of pH equal limits

1:14:35 ↗ so this does include all of like the

1:14:38 ↗ city projects it also includes like

1:14:41 ↗ everything on the right of way and it

1:14:42 ↗ does include um businesses as well so

1:14:47 ↗ I'll be going a little bit more into

1:14:48 ↗ that but this this does cover a large

1:14:51 ↗ Swatch of you know the city of isqua and

1:14:53 ↗ not not just like our cap capit

1:14:55 ↗ Improvement

1:14:56 ↗ projects so um then the next question I

1:14:59 ↗ had was I'm guessing for the city of

1:15:02 ↗ isaka any construction projects or you

1:15:05 ↗ know development projects which are

1:15:06 ↗ coming up I think that will get tied

1:15:10 ↗ into the npds updates but um do the

1:15:14 ↗ businesses if they have any you know um

1:15:18 ↗ reconstruction or any kind of

1:15:20 ↗ Redevelopment projects does that get

1:15:23 ↗ updated in the uh npds permit as well um

1:15:27 ↗ you'll see that we have some numbers

1:15:29 ↗ like highlighting how many different um

1:15:32 ↗ site plans or construction plans that we

1:15:34 ↗ reviewed and how many different

1:15:36 ↗ inspections of construction sites as

1:15:38 ↗ well so um we we update how many of

1:15:41 ↗ these we've been to how many you know

1:15:43 ↗ like formal warnings have been issued

1:15:45 ↗ and that sort of stuff as well okay

1:15:48 ↗ thank you yeah of

1:15:51 ↗ course all right so I'm going to jump

1:15:54 ↗ into the more notable sections uh from

1:15:57 ↗ 2023 and

1:15:58 ↗ 2024

1:16:00 ↗ um and you'll see just this general form

1:16:03 ↗ here where I highlight the year so 2023

1:16:05 ↗ is the annual report 2024 is the

1:16:08 ↗ management uh plan you're going to see a

1:16:10 ↗ lot of the same stuff for the 2024

1:16:12 ↗ section saying where we continue to meet

1:16:14 ↗ our permit

1:16:15 ↗ requirements um but storm water planning

1:16:18 ↗ this program is all about informing and

1:16:20 ↗ assisting in the development of policies

1:16:22 ↗ and strategies as water quality

1:16:23 ↗ management tools to protect receiving

1:16:25 ↗ Waters so this last year the city

1:16:27 ↗ adopted the storm and surface water

1:16:29 ↗ master plan which is a 20-year plan

1:16:31 ↗ focused on managing runoff and flooding

1:16:33 ↗ in the city um in improving surface

1:16:35 ↗ water quality and stream habitat in the

1:16:37 ↗ city as well uh there was a uh npds

1:16:42 ↗ requirement to develop a storm water

1:16:44 ↗ management action plan and this was

1:16:46 ↗ rolled into the storm and surface water

1:16:49 ↗ plan uh seeing as their very similar

1:16:52 ↗ planning documents they were they were

1:16:54 ↗ put out together at the same time in

1:16:56 ↗ 2024 we continue will continue to uh

1:16:59 ↗ coordinate across departments and keep

1:17:01 ↗ on implementing the new uh storm surface

1:17:04 ↗ water

1:17:05 ↗ plant go to the next

1:17:07 ↗ [Music]

1:17:08 ↗ slide great education and Outreach uh

1:17:12 ↗ this program aims to Target residences

1:17:15 ↗ uh or residence businesses so again not

1:17:18 ↗ just like city employees which this uh

1:17:21 ↗ we definitely are educating and doing

1:17:22 ↗ Outreach to city employees as well um

1:17:25 ↗ Industries planning staff in the city

1:17:27 ↗ with the goal to change behaviors and

1:17:30 ↗ practices uh that contribute to adverse

1:17:32 ↗ storm water impacts uh in 2023 we saw

1:17:36 ↗ some really awesome numbers coming

1:17:38 ↗ especially out of green isqua Parks uh

1:17:41 ↗ we there are over 21,000 trees planted

1:17:43 ↗ 73 stewardship events uh over 3,000

1:17:46 ↗ volunteer hours Cascade water Alliance

1:17:49 ↗ doeses a lot of or does outreach to

1:17:52 ↗ students and uh other individuals Within

1:17:54 ↗ theity City and they reached uh over 400

1:17:57 ↗ people uh we joined the adopted drain

1:17:59 ↗ program um which is a great example of

1:18:02 ↗ trying or looking at changing behavior

1:18:05 ↗ um with residents in the city and then

1:18:07 ↗ on the business side of things we uh

1:18:11 ↗ strategically launched the dumpster

1:18:13 ↗ Behavior change program and evaluated

1:18:15 ↗ the effectiveness of that program as

1:18:17 ↗ well in a targeted

1:18:19 ↗ area um and in 2024 we're going to

1:18:22 ↗ continue prioritizing these existing

1:18:24 ↗ programs

1:18:25 ↗ and uh there's a lot of coordination we

1:18:27 ↗ do with other cities other permit

1:18:29 ↗ holding cities as well municipalities so

1:18:31 ↗ we'll continue that go to the next

1:18:37 ↗ slide all right mapping and

1:18:39 ↗ documentation this one is pretty

1:18:41 ↗ straightforward we need to map and

1:18:43 ↗ document our ms4 or our storm water

1:18:45 ↗ system this year we were required to map

1:18:48 ↗ all known ms4 connections or storm water

1:18:51 ↗ uh infrastructure connections to

1:18:53 ↗ privately owned storm water systems we

1:18:55 ↗ completed on time for the permit and

1:18:57 ↗ we'll continue maintaining um this

1:19:01 ↗ system right next slide so idde or

1:19:05 ↗ elicit discharge detection and

1:19:07 ↗ elimination uh this program is designed

1:19:09 ↗ to prevent detect characterize and Trace

1:19:12 ↗ um and then eliminate illicit

1:19:13 ↗ connections and discharges to our storm

1:19:15 ↗ water system so a lot of this is our

1:19:17 ↗ spill response and then also making sure

1:19:19 ↗ that we're screening our storm water

1:19:21 ↗ system to make sure there are no illicit

1:19:23 ↗ connections to it

1:19:25 ↗ uh in 2023 we responded to 85 water

1:19:27 ↗ quality Reports most of these were

1:19:29 ↗ spills within the city uh we had 123

1:19:33 ↗ pollution prevention assistant visits to

1:19:36 ↗ different businesses across the city and

1:19:39 ↗ we screened um just over 12 and a half%

1:19:42 ↗ of our storm water system for illicit

1:19:47 ↗ connections similar we'll keep this keep

1:19:50 ↗ this moving through

1:19:52 ↗ 2024 Mak sure we're responding to all

1:19:54 ↗ our spills in a timely way and looking

1:19:56 ↗ at our system all right and this is what

1:19:59 ↗ we were just discussing a moment before

1:20:02 ↗ so a lot of the controlling runoff from

1:20:05 ↗ Development and Construction sites lives

1:20:07 ↗ in our CPD

1:20:08 ↗ Department

1:20:10 ↗ um so the city implements and enforces a

1:20:13 ↗ program to reduce pollutants in storm

1:20:15 ↗ water from new development Redevelopment

1:20:17 ↗ and construction site activities and

1:20:19 ↗ this applies to private and public

1:20:21 ↗ development so the both uh and includes

1:20:23 ↗ Transportation project projects so in

1:20:26 ↗ 2023 we had 124 sites that um were the

1:20:31 ↗ permits and plans were reviewed for and

1:20:34 ↗ then we had 148 cons uh 48 construction

1:20:37 ↗ inspections as well in 2024 we'll

1:20:40 ↗ continue to review and visit all these

1:20:43 ↗ sites and that includes um erosion and

1:20:46 ↗ sediment control inspections as

1:20:49 ↗ well go to the next

1:20:53 ↗ slide all right operations and

1:20:55 ↗ maintenance is really focused in on the

1:20:58 ↗ city's operations and making sure that

1:21:01 ↗ we're not introducing pollutants into

1:21:02 ↗ storm water um so this is in really

1:21:05 ↗ focus on public works and operations

1:21:08 ↗ parks department and then also

1:21:10 ↗ facilities in 2023 we inspected 99% of

1:21:14 ↗ City Home stormed water facilities so

1:21:16 ↗ this would be things like uh catch

1:21:18 ↗ basins or you know like storm water

1:21:20 ↗ drains that I think of those when I

1:21:22 ↗ think of storm water facilities uh we

1:21:24 ↗ inspected 99% of private storm water

1:21:26 ↗ facilities on permanent sites and M we

1:21:29 ↗ maintained o just about 200,000 square

1:21:32 ↗ feet of perious surfaces so um perious

1:21:35 ↗ asphalt and that type of thing and 2024

1:21:39 ↗ will continue to do that and a large

1:21:40 ↗ component of this program is training

1:21:42 ↗ City uh staff Citywide as

1:21:48 ↗ well all right so Source control for

1:21:51 ↗ existing development is another uh part

1:21:54 ↗ of the PDS permit really focused on

1:21:56 ↗ businesses within the city the focus of

1:21:59 ↗ this though is not responding to spills

1:22:01 ↗ that have happened but it's addressing

1:22:03 ↗ pollutants from daily businesses before

1:22:05 ↗ they become a problem enter the storm

1:22:07 ↗ water system so this was introduced in

1:22:10 ↗ this current permit term so in The Last

1:22:12 ↗ 5 Years um in 2023 we had a number of

1:22:16 ↗ inspections uh equal to 39% of our

1:22:18 ↗ source control inventory which was just

1:22:21 ↗ about double the required 20% of the

1:22:23 ↗ inventory um and we inspected 100% of

1:22:26 ↗ the sites that were identified through

1:22:28 ↗ credible

1:22:29 ↗ complaints um and then in 2024 we're

1:22:32 ↗ going to continue to meet that 20% of

1:22:34 ↗ inventory requirement uh we're going to

1:22:36 ↗ inspect all Sites identified through

1:22:37 ↗ complaints we're going to update our

1:22:39 ↗ inventory as well and provide all of the

1:22:42 ↗ sites within our source control

1:22:43 ↗ inventory with educational information

1:22:45 ↗ on this new program that the city has

1:22:49 ↗ now go to the next

1:22:53 ↗ slide and that's it so if anyone has any

1:22:57 ↗ questions um and if we have any time

1:23:00 ↗ Stacy for it I'm I'm open to field

1:23:04 ↗ some 10

1:23:07 ↗ minutes I'm

1:23:09 ↗ good Tom Anderson here I'm wondering do

1:23:12 ↗ you have any electronic monitoring in

1:23:15 ↗ place at various key junctures in the

1:23:17 ↗ system to detect um illicit things in

1:23:21 ↗ the in the flow

1:23:25 ↗ not that I'm aware of so we do go out

1:23:28 ↗ and Screen the um ms4 system so what

1:23:32 ↗ that looks like is um we'll have staff

1:23:34 ↗ going out typically in a time of year

1:23:36 ↗ where you're able to detect if there's

1:23:38 ↗ any of those illicit connections and run

1:23:41 ↗ you know like uh test to see if there's

1:23:43 ↗ you know FAL coliforms coming through it

1:23:45 ↗ or other pollutants and then if

1:23:46 ↗ anything's identified in those key

1:23:48 ↗ locations by staff you trace up the

1:23:50 ↗ system up the storm water system to see

1:23:53 ↗ where the elicit connection is and

1:23:54 ↗ eliminate it I we have any electron

1:23:58 ↗ manual manual taking of samples Tes yeah

1:24:03 ↗ exactly y thank you of

1:24:06 ↗ course go

1:24:09 ↗ ahead hi Mike Don mcquilliams um on your

1:24:12 ↗ Source control program your education

1:24:15 ↗ Outreach portion of it are you have you

1:24:17 ↗ considered providing spill kits to some

1:24:20 ↗ of the

1:24:20 ↗ businesses um in combination with just

1:24:23 ↗ an educ

1:24:26 ↗ fire I don't know that we've

1:24:27 ↗ specifically thought of it for the

1:24:29 ↗ source control program I know that is a

1:24:31 ↗ large component of our uh pollution

1:24:33 ↗ prevention assistance program and we've

1:24:35 ↗ been pairing the two together so we've

1:24:37 ↗ been going out to a number of businesses

1:24:39 ↗ and providing them information on

1:24:41 ↗ pollution prevention which is really

1:24:43 ↗ focused on the providing folks with

1:24:45 ↗ maybe materials or assistance that they

1:24:47 ↗ need and then talking to them about how

1:24:49 ↗ they can reduce storm water pollution

1:24:51 ↗ which is more of the source control side

1:24:53 ↗ of things so um that's a great idea and

1:24:57 ↗ I will talk to the folks doing that and

1:24:59 ↗ see if that's something we could offer

1:25:00 ↗ up at the same time okay are you guys

1:25:02 ↗ part of the King County pollution

1:25:04 ↗ prevention program yes that where that

1:25:07 ↗ came from okay thank

1:25:17 ↗ you I'm not seeing any other questions

1:25:20 ↗ for you Mike great thank you all so much

1:25:23 ↗ for the time tonight Mike one thing

1:25:26 ↗ before you leave if I could put you on

1:25:28 ↗ the spot to talk a little bit about

1:25:29 ↗ timeline for the next permit I know we

1:25:31 ↗ had talked a bit about probably some

1:25:33 ↗ more engagement with the board um that

1:25:36 ↗ process leading up to next

1:25:40 ↗ spring so what the timeline looks like

1:25:43 ↗ at uh right now

1:25:46 ↗ is uh folks have provided comment on the

1:25:49 ↗ draft storm water permit that came from

1:25:51 ↗ ecology already they are put together

1:25:54 ↗ their response to comments and we'll be

1:25:56 ↗ hearing back on those I I'm a little

1:25:59 ↗ iffy on the timeline for this but I

1:26:00 ↗ believe sometime uh early summer they'll

1:26:04 ↗ be providing us somewhere around July

1:26:07 ↗ 1st with the formal draft of the new

1:26:09 ↗ storm water permit this year and then

1:26:11 ↗ it'll go into effect August 1st so we

1:26:15 ↗ won't know for certain what all of the

1:26:18 ↗ new requirements are until around July

1:26:21 ↗ 1st but if there is interest and

1:26:24 ↗ engaging more around this process I'm

1:26:26 ↗ happy to talk about and explore what

1:26:28 ↗ that could look like at this point in

1:26:30 ↗ time great yeah I was thinking maybe at

1:26:33 ↗ least we could provide a written update

1:26:35 ↗ to the board in the fall and then talk

1:26:37 ↗ about what any engagement might look

1:26:40 ↗ like leading up to the spring in our

1:26:41 ↗ next um report deadline absolutely okay

1:26:45 ↗ more more looking at just giving an

1:26:47 ↗ overview of what's in the new permit and

1:26:49 ↗ what will be coming uh you know our way

1:26:52 ↗ in the next five years not so much as

1:26:54 ↗ trying to influence the course of the

1:26:57 ↗ permit

1:26:59 ↗ yeah unless others have

1:27:05 ↗ thoughts right well thank you Mike thank

1:27:08 ↗ you for joining us I think Evan you're

1:27:09 ↗ on there as well thank you to for

1:27:10 ↗ joining us tonight I think with that

1:27:13 ↗ we'll wrap up unless there's anything

1:27:14 ↗ else that you had for us Mike that's it

1:27:17 ↗ thank you all have a good night awesome

1:27:19 ↗ thank you um uh next up we'll move into

1:27:22 ↗ reports I think Stacy has a couple

1:27:24 ↗ things for us uh sure I can do brief um

1:27:28 ↗ Council

1:27:29 ↗ reports um and then maybe hand it back

1:27:32 ↗ over to you um just really quick some

1:27:35 ↗ things that are upcoming for city

1:27:37 ↗ council uh next week they will be doing

1:27:40 ↗ the board appointments I'll share that

1:27:43 ↗ information once it's made

1:27:45 ↗ public um April 25th there's going to be

1:27:48 ↗ a joint meeting between city council and

1:27:51 ↗ the School District board um as I think

1:27:54 ↗ you all saw the the letter um from Don

1:27:57 ↗ was passed on to city council city

1:27:59 ↗ council um submitted a letter to the

1:28:02 ↗ board uh which also included or sorry

1:28:06 ↗ our our um message to city council was

1:28:09 ↗ to uh continue that engagement around

1:28:12 ↗ sustainability environmental issues

1:28:14 ↗ between the school district board and

1:28:16 ↗ the city um so hoping that that will

1:28:19 ↗ influence uh the agenda um between the

1:28:22 ↗ two on the 25th

1:28:24 ↗ um in May there are a number of other

1:28:27 ↗ potential um topics of Interest coming

1:28:30 ↗ to council they'll be talking about the

1:28:31 ↗ State Building Code local amendments for

1:28:33 ↗ Wildfire and the Wildland Urban

1:28:36 ↗ interface code um one of wash dots

1:28:39 ↗ culbert relocation AG uh projects

1:28:42 ↗ there'll be a discussion around

1:28:44 ↗ agreement for that I can provide more

1:28:47 ↗ information to the board because I know

1:28:48 ↗ there's um some

1:28:50 ↗ interest um the tip will be coming to

1:28:53 ↗ account

1:28:54 ↗ and then also an update on Metroflex so

1:28:56 ↗ happy to report out to the board on any

1:28:59 ↗ of those

1:29:01 ↗ topics um I have a few other just real

1:29:03 ↗ quick updates and then PLS for upcoming

1:29:06 ↗ topics on the board but I can do those

1:29:07 ↗ at the end if you wan to no go ahead

1:29:09 ↗ okay um just some real quick updates uh

1:29:13 ↗ um last Friday we submitted a grant to

1:29:18 ↗ Department of Commerce um about a

1:29:20 ↗ million do million and a half dollar

1:29:23 ↗ request for a solar system and battery

1:29:25 ↗ backup at the senior center um it's one

1:29:29 ↗ of the outputs of the resilience Hub

1:29:32 ↗ project that um David has been running

1:29:35 ↗ so we're hoping to hear from that um on

1:29:37 ↗ that Grant about the next month but

1:29:39 ↗ really excited about the potential for

1:29:41 ↗ that site um and then as Sarah mentioned

1:29:45 ↗ too we're also waiting to hear from

1:29:46 ↗ Commerce on here which is the home

1:29:49 ↗ electrification and Appliance rebates um

1:29:53 ↗ these are are actually um somewhat of a

1:29:56 ↗ alloc in between a grant and an

1:29:58 ↗ allocation um where it's very likely

1:30:00 ↗ we're going to get some portion of the

1:30:03 ↗ six $6 million request for the easts

1:30:06 ↗ side

1:30:06 ↗ cities um for isqua we're looking to

1:30:09 ↗ take not all of um what we are able to

1:30:13 ↗ secure for heat pumps but possibly to

1:30:15 ↗ take a small amount of that to Pilot our

1:30:18 ↗ additional electrification program um so

1:30:21 ↗ we'll keep you updated on those amounts

1:30:23 ↗ and that

1:30:25 ↗ like um and then just coming up for the

1:30:28 ↗ board um next month we will um

1:30:33 ↗ potentially have some new board members

1:30:35 ↗ uh do a bit more of a a kind of

1:30:38 ↗ welcoming um intro for the year meeting

1:30:41 ↗ and then um our big topic for next month

1:30:44 ↗ is we're going to do a deep dive into

1:30:47 ↗ the climate action plan as a preview for

1:30:50 ↗ a presentation that will go to council

1:30:52 ↗ likely in June so we'll be looking for

1:30:55 ↗ feedback from you all um on our report

1:30:58 ↗ out on progress and challenges and um

1:31:02 ↗ success with the IAP we'll also plan to

1:31:05 ↗ bring um kind of a preview of a budget

1:31:08 ↗ presentation to that

1:31:10 ↗ meeting um other thing about next month

1:31:12 ↗ I forgot to mention was uh we'll be

1:31:14 ↗ looking for anyone that's interested in

1:31:17 ↗ the chair or vice chair position so

1:31:19 ↗ please let me know if that's something

1:31:21 ↗ of interest to you

1:31:25 ↗ all right

1:31:26 ↗ Stacey um next up I was going to provide

1:31:29 ↗ a a brief update on strategic plan task

1:31:34 ↗ force which um it's a fairly large group

1:31:37 ↗ that actually meets here um discussing

1:31:40 ↗ the Strategic plan and for those that

1:31:42 ↗ aren't familiar with strategic plan

1:31:45 ↗ that's like where the comp plan is kind

1:31:46 ↗ of at the 20 year time Horizon the

1:31:49 ↗ Strategic plan is is more like a

1:31:51 ↗ fiveyear horizon and I think this might

1:31:54 ↗ was that the last strap plan wasn't that

1:31:57 ↗ our first that we had done is that um

1:32:01 ↗ yeah I think that's correct yeah so it's

1:32:02 ↗ relatively new process within the city

1:32:05 ↗ um and it like I I think the last one

1:32:08 ↗ was in 2019 or 2018 something around

1:32:10 ↗ that so we're going about and updating

1:32:12 ↗ that and that one ties a lot more

1:32:14 ↗ directly with what's going on within um

1:32:17 ↗ the different functional plan so one of

1:32:18 ↗ the things that is new that's that

1:32:21 ↗ wasn't in place at the time that the

1:32:23 ↗ last strap plan was put was put in place

1:32:25 ↗ was the climate action plan so that's

1:32:27 ↗ obviously something that want to make

1:32:29 ↗ sure that going forward that the new

1:32:32 ↗ strategic plan has that incorporated and

1:32:35 ↗ so I think that's something that as that

1:32:38 ↗ process gets further along that that

1:32:39 ↗ might be an opportunity for the board to

1:32:41 ↗ engage because obviously I'm one voice

1:32:44 ↗ on that on that task force but um

1:32:46 ↗ depending on how things turn out that

1:32:48 ↗ might be something that um other board

1:32:50 ↗ members might want to get involved on to

1:32:52 ↗ ensure that that there's kind of a

1:32:53 ↗ strong enough uh kind of support for IAT

1:32:57 ↗ measures within that program as well as

1:32:58 ↗ everything else I mean we've also had a

1:33:00 ↗ land use um update so there's other

1:33:02 ↗ things that have happened in that in

1:33:04 ↗ that thing in that time so um it's still

1:33:07 ↗ ongoing and I actually missed the last

1:33:09 ↗ meeting because I was away but uh that's

1:33:12 ↗ something I'll have more to report on um

1:33:14 ↗ kind of May June that wraps up in in May

1:33:17 ↗ I believe so um we'll have more to to

1:33:20 ↗ more of an update to provide there so um

1:33:23 ↗ please let me any questions on on that

1:33:26 ↗ process Str strategic plan which is

1:33:28 ↗ really hard for me to say um but uh yeah

1:33:33 ↗ that's uh that's a process that uh

1:33:34 ↗ continue to work through so um and then

1:33:37 ↗ I think the the last item was just kind

1:33:41 ↗ of like Chinese New Year and other New

1:33:43 ↗ Years don't always land on January 1 I

1:33:46 ↗ think like board new years's are kind of

1:33:49 ↗ this is like the end of our board cycle

1:33:52 ↗ um this is our last meeting with this

1:33:54 ↗ with this kind of group or this vintage

1:33:57 ↗ of of members so I want to thank

1:33:59 ↗ everyone for all all the service and

1:34:01 ↗ time that that you put in um know that

1:34:04 ↗ there's especially I think the last

1:34:06 ↗ couple months have been

1:34:08 ↗ particularly uh particularly intense and

1:34:10 ↗ had a lot of meetings which kind of

1:34:12 ↗ seems to be often the case in in

1:34:15 ↗ springtime for us but thank you to

1:34:17 ↗ everyone that has taken the time and all

1:34:19 ↗ the impacts that you've made for for the

1:34:21 ↗ city and for uh the environment so Donna

1:34:24 ↗ anything to

1:34:27 ↗ add now I would Echo thank you for your

1:34:30 ↗ efforts thank you for your time um it's

1:34:32 ↗ been a lot of work this last year but

1:34:35 ↗ we've got a lot accomplished

1:34:37 ↗ um and um I look forward to our new

1:34:40 ↗ board coming together and and seeing

1:34:42 ↗ where we go from there yeah definitely I

1:34:45 ↗ think this was a unique year for us

1:34:46 ↗ because we had the retreat and some

1:34:48 ↗ things like us starting to think about

1:34:50 ↗ uh the board growing up so it was this

1:34:53 ↗ was really great year for a lot of

1:34:54 ↗ different reasons so thanks to everyone

1:34:57 ↗ um I think without any other business

1:34:59 ↗ from anyone

1:35:05 ↗ else all right well I think with that

1:35:07 ↗ then we are adjourned thank you

1:35:10 ↗ everyone good night thank

1:35:15 ↗ you thank

1:35:17 ↗ you good night

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