City Council Committee of the Whole · Monday, April 29, 2024 · City Council Digest

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Staff report:

Administration recommends: • Continuing to research and further scope costs for a phased approach to an Olde Town Municipal Campus in preparation for the 2025-26 budget season. • Continuing negotiations on potential leasing options for City Hall and Court uses. • Fund the office and court leases with existing funds (including the proceeds from the sale of CHNW).

Facilities & Revenue Options COM 0023

Director · 90 min · Autumn Monahan, Administrative Services

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0:01 ↗ good evening everyone I council

0:03 ↗ president Walsh call the April 29th

0:05 ↗ special Committee of the whole meeting

0:07 ↗ to order at 6:31 p.m. as a reminder we

0:12 ↗ continue to have a remote aspect to our

0:14 ↗ meetings and so staff and members of the

0:17 ↗ public can be participating in tonight's

0:19 ↗ meeting remotely via

0:21 ↗ WebEx let's

0:24 ↗ see there are multiple public comment

0:27 ↗ opportunities at tonight's meeting there

0:28 ↗ is a general public public comment

0:30 ↗ opportunity at the beginning of the

0:32 ↗ meeting or you can make comments after

0:33 ↗ the presentation and Council question

0:35 ↗ and answer period on tonight's agenda

0:38 ↗ items so members of the public May

0:41 ↗ address council at this time in person

0:43 ↗ or virtually those who signed up in

0:45 ↗ advance to make comments will be called

0:47 ↗ on first if you're joining us virtually

0:49 ↗ and would like to make comments please

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0:57 ↗ you've joined by computer or smartphone

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1:02 ↗ the host a chat

1:05 ↗ message um if you're in the room and did

1:07 ↗ not sign up I'll ask for other speakers

1:09 ↗ before closing this portion of the

1:11 ↗ meeting so I'm going to wait a moment

1:13 ↗ and see if anybody wants to raise their

1:17 ↗ hand um clerk has anyone signed up to

1:19 ↗ speak or indicated a desire to speak

1:21 ↗ this

1:22 ↗ evening yes we have one person in the

1:25 ↗ chambers here and we don't have anyone

1:26 ↗ from the public attending virtually at

1:28 ↗ this time okay and fantastic so um

1:32 ↗ you're going to be invited to address

1:33 ↗ the council regarding matters that are

1:35 ↗ directly related to isqua's programs

1:37 ↗ projects services or events please

1:40 ↗ direct comments to the whole Council and

1:42 ↗ not individuals while this is not a

1:44 ↗ question and answer session we will

1:46 ↗ contact you to follow up if needed when

1:48 ↗ recognized you're going to come up to

1:50 ↗ the lect turn press the button so that

1:53 ↗ the microphone turns red state your name

1:56 ↗ address and relationship to the city

1:59 ↗ speak clear L and pause frequently and

2:01 ↗ limit your comments to 5 minutes with

2:04 ↗ this

2:05 ↗ timer uh let's see if you're attending

2:07 ↗ virtually and do not respond after your

2:08 ↗ name or phone number is called or if

2:10 ↗ your connection is lost unexpectedly the

2:12 ↗ meeting will need to proceed you're

2:14 ↗ encouraged to rejoin if able personal

2:17 ↗ attacks obscene language derogatory

2:19 ↗ remarks and disruptive behavior will not

2:22 ↗ be permitted so clerk can you

2:25 ↗ please

2:27 ↗ call up to the L turn yes Chris Winters

2:31 ↗ fastic thank

2:37 ↗ you there it is right there okay my name

2:41 ↗ is Charles Winters and uh my wife and I

2:44 ↗ live up on squawk Mountain at 770

2:46 ↗ Highwood Drive we've been there for over

2:48 ↗ 40 years and I'm here today to ask for

2:52 ↗ additional funding for the isqua police

2:54 ↗ department in fiscal years 25 and

2:57 ↗ 26 so what got me started down this path

3:01 ↗ by the way uh the police didn't send me

3:04 ↗ I don't know anybody who works for the

3:06 ↗ police I'm just a concerned Citizen and

3:08 ↗ resident of isqua but um uh when we

3:12 ↗ first moved here as you're all are quite

3:16 ↗ aware it's like paradise on earth

3:18 ↗ compared to most places I've lived and I

3:20 ↗ immediately found out that they had a a

3:22 ↗ low crime

3:24 ↗ rate peaceful residence and a real nice

3:27 ↗ Police Department I mean they're just

3:29 ↗ officer friendly all the way so for

3:33 ↗ almost 40 years I really didn't think

3:36 ↗ much about the police took them for

3:37 ↗ granted as we all

3:40 ↗ do and uh then the pandemic happened and

3:46 ↗ uh first thing I noticed is the city

3:47 ↗ took a huge hit on Revenue because all

3:50 ↗ the economy shut down all the revenues

3:52 ↗ you were getting from sales just dried

3:54 ↗ up overnight and uh people weren't

3:57 ↗ working they weren't paying taxes they

3:59 ↗ weren't

4:00 ↗ doing a lot of things then the riots

4:02 ↗ came and the crime rate went through the

4:04 ↗ roof people started traveling to isqua

4:07 ↗ for the sole purpose of committing

4:09 ↗ property crimes and that goes on today

4:11 ↗ has hasn't really hasn't Abit at all in

4:14 ↗ fact it's probably increasing so I

4:16 ↗ started taking a big interest in the

4:19 ↗ police and uh then uh you know just

4:23 ↗ paying attention and reading up on them

4:26 ↗ finding out what how they're doing and

4:29 ↗ then in in September of

4:31 ↗ 22 uh I attended a a virtually attended

4:35 ↗ a meeting of this committee H where in

4:38 ↗ the new police chief Schwan gave a

4:40 ↗ presentation about strategic plans or

4:43 ↗ something I don't remember what it was

4:44 ↗ and in the course of her presentation

4:47 ↗ she mentioned uh a key

4:50 ↗ parameter that that police departments

4:52 ↗ all over the country used to measure

4:54 ↗ their capabilities and that is the ratio

4:57 ↗ of residents to full-time employees in

5:01 ↗ the department and she twice she

5:03 ↗ mentioned that isqua when compared to

5:05 ↗ Pure cities was at the bottom of the

5:09 ↗ list not not good that really bothered

5:12 ↗ me so after some procrastination I made

5:15 ↗ some inquiries with isqua police

5:18 ↗ Kirkland Redmond and verer Island to

5:22 ↗ find out well how are they doing on this

5:25 ↗ key parameter ratio of residents to

5:28 ↗ full-time police employees

5:30 ↗ and so I gathered the data and lo and

5:33 ↗ behold Chief Schwan was right we're at

5:36 ↗ the bottom of the list top of the list

5:38 ↗ is Redmond where with a ratio this is as

5:42 ↗ of October of last year a ratio of 564

5:47 ↗ to one out of a population of 74,000 all

5:51 ↗ four all four of these cities are

5:54 ↗ roughly equal the same ballpark of size

5:56 ↗ of

5:57 ↗ population crime problem from Seattle uh

6:01 ↗ affluent uh tax base and so forth next

6:05 ↗ in line with Mercer Island at 684 to1

6:08 ↗ then Kirkland at 692

6:11 ↗ to1 and finally isqua at 738 to1 so the

6:17 ↗ difference between those two of pure

6:18 ↗ cities roughly equal in size and so

6:21 ↗ forth uh is raises an alarm and so I

6:24 ↗ wanted to bring it to your attention so

6:26 ↗ I wrote all of you a letter in December

6:29 ↗ last year here you may remember it and I

6:31 ↗ attached the data and uh so I'm here

6:34 ↗ today to remind you about that and

6:36 ↗ Trigger some more discussion because I

6:39 ↗ know your cycle you come to a conclusion

6:42 ↗ about next year's next F fiscal Year's

6:45 ↗ budget for All departments and I just

6:47 ↗ wanted to remind you that police

6:50 ↗ protection is top of the list of the

6:53 ↗ services in my opinion most important

6:55 ↗ most primary most immediate most

6:58 ↗ important in this day and of rising

7:00 ↗ crime and Rising

7:02 ↗ population and right up there with water

7:04 ↗ and sewer services so parks and

7:08 ↗ community services and all the other

7:10 ↗ things that we do are important but

7:12 ↗ they're not as important as police

7:14 ↗ protection so I'm encouraging you to

7:16 ↗ give this some thought as you work your

7:18 ↗ way up to the budget for the next two

7:20 ↗ years and I'll check back with President

7:23 ↗ Walsh in a few months to see how you

7:25 ↗ doing on that and where you're headed uh

7:28 ↗ just just to remind you here uh right

7:32 ↗ now isqua has an authorized head count

7:34 ↗ for 24 of 61 heads and uh the chief has

7:39 ↗ been hard at work on hiring people

7:41 ↗ getting good quality people so they're

7:43 ↗ up to 57 as of today they're at 57 so

7:47 ↗ they're they're doing good on the hiring

7:49 ↗ but they need but I believe they're

7:51 ↗ underfunded and I think if you take a

7:52 ↗ close look talk to the city

7:54 ↗ Administration you'll find out that uh

7:57 ↗ there there's room for improvement

8:00 ↗ thank you thank you Mr Winters we

8:03 ↗ appreciate someone who comes with a good

8:06 ↗ set of data and uh wanting to talk to

8:08 ↗ the council so thank you very much do we

8:11 ↗ have anyone else who has signed up

8:12 ↗ indicating to speak yes we had a virtual

8:15 ↗ member of the public join us Connie

8:17 ↗ Marsh who would like to make comments

8:19 ↗ Connie I'm making you a panelist now

8:22 ↗ okay

8:36 ↗ Connie this is Tisha it looks like

8:38 ↗ you're unmuted but we're not hearing you

8:48 ↗ unfortunately okay I see you're

8:54 ↗ unmuted we still cannot hear you um I'd

8:59 ↗ like to do a a quick test if uh Chief

9:03 ↗ Schwan or Christie is available to do a

9:07 ↗ quick unmute and audio check with us in

9:09 ↗ the

9:12 ↗ rooman okay we can hear you loud and

9:15 ↗ clear Christy Sean okay we can hear you

9:20 ↗ chrisy Connie it it appears there's some

9:23 ↗ kind of audio issue because I can see

9:24 ↗ you're unmuted but we're not getting any

9:26 ↗ audio in the room

9:30 ↗ we can try again under the public

9:32 ↗ comment portion of tonight's agenda

9:35 ↗ item yeah Connie um if you can hear us

9:38 ↗ and you are trying to speak can you go

9:40 ↗ ahead and send the host a chat message

9:43 ↗ and just kind of talk it

9:45 ↗ through if we hear you in the next few

9:48 ↗ moments we can get a public comment

9:50 ↗ early on otherwise we'll look either for

9:53 ↗ your email or if you want to stay

9:57 ↗ through uh after our question answer

9:59 ↗ period we can potentially get you

10:05 ↗ then okay and it looks like she may she

10:07 ↗ may need to drop off the meeting but

10:09 ↗ unfortunately I'm not not sure what we

10:11 ↗ can do at this point to make the audio

10:13 ↗ work our apologies yeah okay well

10:18 ↗ technology sometimes works most of the

10:21 ↗ time works uh but sometimes we run into

10:24 ↗ issues like that so let's see let me get

10:27 ↗ through the rest of the the agenda

10:30 ↗ portion I think at this point we are

10:32 ↗ just on to our agenda item which is Comm

10:36 ↗ 0023 facilities and revenue options

10:40 ↗ presented by AUM Manan administrative

10:43 ↗ Services director and Andrea Snider

10:46 ↗ interm CFO and person who just does

10:50 ↗ everything at the city take it away

10:53 ↗ thanks uh thank you council president Hi

10:56 ↗ good evening I'm Andrea Snider uh Deputy

10:58 ↗ City administ rator and interim CFO and

11:00 ↗ with me yes is AUM manahan we also have

11:03 ↗ um a number of folks online to help

11:05 ↗ answer questions as they may arise today

11:08 ↗ uh before we begin tonight I wanted to

11:11 ↗ take a moment and just say um that

11:14 ↗ tonight's presentation really represents

11:16 ↗ the culmination of years of work and

11:19 ↗ discussions on how to address the city's

11:22 ↗ facilities needs many of these

11:24 ↗ conversations we began pre pandemic when

11:26 ↗ we were talking about the city

11:28 ↗ Administration and office's needs and um

11:31 ↗ a new fire

11:32 ↗ station the Administration has been

11:34 ↗ working really hard to discover the best

11:36 ↗ options to address those needs and this

11:39 ↗ is this is hard complicated stuff the

11:42 ↗ city hasn't done a big facilities

11:44 ↗ project big facilities investment in uh

11:47 ↗ about a generation and so we have a lot

11:50 ↗ of information that we have tried to

11:53 ↗ distill down for you this evening to

11:55 ↗ provide one cohesive proposal that you

11:58 ↗ can react to and so that's really the

12:00 ↗ goal and purpose of tonight is to

12:02 ↗ discuss um what your feedback might be

12:05 ↗ what questions what information you need

12:07 ↗ and we look forward to getting into some

12:10 ↗ of that tonight also having subsequent

12:12 ↗ discussions and conversations with you

12:14 ↗ uh including very importantly how we

12:16 ↗ would engage the public moving forward

12:18 ↗ and so um you know we are excited for

12:22 ↗ the presentation tonight in the

12:23 ↗ conversation with you and look forward

12:26 ↗ to your questions this evening and with

12:29 ↗ without any other delay uh Autumn

12:31 ↗ Monahan Administration Services

12:39 ↗ director thank you hello Council I'm

12:41 ↗ excited to be here tonight to continue

12:43 ↗ our discussions on facility and revenue

12:47 ↗ options so purpose of tonight is to

12:50 ↗ provide an update on the city's Police

12:52 ↗ Court and City Hall planning review

12:54 ↗ Revenue options receive your feedback

12:56 ↗ and then review some next steps

12:59 ↗ the direction we're seeking tonight is

13:01 ↗ three-fold should Administration Focus

13:02 ↗ further research on a phased approach to

13:04 ↗ an Oldtown Municipal campus does the

13:07 ↗ council agree with the administration's

13:08 ↗ proposal to use current resources for

13:10 ↗ leasing office and Court space and

13:13 ↗ should the administration proceive a

13:14 ↗ planning for a ballot measure for Public

13:16 ↗ Safety facilities Bond vote and start

13:18 ↗ creating a community engagement plan for

13:19 ↗ further

13:22 ↗ review um as was already mentioned we've

13:24 ↗ been studying these issues for many

13:25 ↗ years our space planning actually

13:27 ↗ started this round started in uh 2018

13:31 ↗ pre pandemic uh we refreshed that study

13:34 ↗ in 2023 last year and I was before you

13:36 ↗ many times uh going through what our

13:39 ↗ needs were as a city and it Rose to the

13:40 ↗ top is Public

13:42 ↗ Safety um so before you on these options

13:46 ↗ here um after all of that discussion in

13:48 ↗ 2023 um all of these were included in

13:51 ↗ our CIP those include further assessing

13:53 ↗ two options for City Hall space either

13:55 ↗ purchasing and renovating an existing

13:57 ↗ building in isqua or building a

13:59 ↗ municipal campus here in Oldtown as well

14:02 ↗ as relocating and building a new fire

14:03 ↗ station 71 demolishing this building

14:06 ↗ City Hall South and moving the court and

14:08 ↗ renovating City Hall uh the current

14:11 ↗ building for all Police use in addition

14:14 ↗ during the council's retreat in February

14:16 ↗ uh there was interest in learning more

14:18 ↗ about a levy lift Levy lid lift for

14:21 ↗ Public Safety as well as voter approv

14:25 ↗ bonds as a reminder here are the goals

14:27 ↗ we set for our space planning project

14:29 ↗ last year um you'll see well and I'll

14:32 ↗ review this real quick it's ensuring

14:33 ↗ safety stewarding public dollars

14:36 ↗ customer service Economic Development

14:39 ↗ providing Community amenities and

14:40 ↗ environmental stewardship and you'll see

14:42 ↗ here we've used I've used this graph

14:44 ↗ many times to kind of assess both

14:46 ↗ options A and B um you'll see here um

14:49 ↗ that stewarding public dollars and

14:50 ↗ customer service are marked somewhat

14:52 ↗ likely and not likely under option b

14:54 ↗ I'll cover this more in a minute but

14:56 ↗ generally we're very limited in options

14:58 ↗ on what to purchase and renovate here in

14:59 ↗ isqua so that makes it more unlikely

15:02 ↗ that we would be able to find any

15:03 ↗ operational cost efficiencies or

15:05 ↗ collocate with other Civic services or

15:07 ↗ other community

15:11 ↗ amenities uh so last summer the city

15:13 ↗ council asked us to go out and research

15:15 ↗ options for purchasing and renovating a

15:17 ↗ facility there are less than 20 existing

15:19 ↗ buildings in all of isqua that would

15:21 ↗ meet our space requirements that

15:23 ↗ excludes Warehouse industrial and

15:26 ↗ Retail of those properties following an

15:28 ↗ extens of search um there's just

15:30 ↗ extremely limited viable options in town

15:33 ↗ and especially in central isqua that

15:35 ↗ meet our goals and none that the

15:37 ↗ administration would currently recommend

15:39 ↗ for

15:41 ↗ pursuing so we turn back to the idea of

15:44 ↗ an Oldtown Municipal

15:46 ↗ campus so uh this time we're proposing a

15:49 ↗ phased approach uh that would utilize

15:53 ↗ our existing city-owned property here

15:55 ↗ for a fire station 71 which mean we

15:58 ↗ demolish this current building actually

16:00 ↗ bringing the fire station back home this

16:01 ↗ used to be a fire station Once Upon a

16:04 ↗ Time uh remodeling the current city hall

16:07 ↗ for exclusive Police use for their space

16:10 ↗ needs and then leasing space for City

16:12 ↗ Hall council chambers and court so that

16:15 ↗ we can really phase this project and

16:17 ↗ then having a long-term goal of someday

16:19 ↗ also constructing a new city

16:23 ↗ hall um so now I'm going to turn it over

16:25 ↗ to um Deputy Administrator Snider to

16:27 ↗ talk a bit about the fire station

16:28 ↗ proposal

16:33 ↗ thank you director manahan uh so we've

16:35 ↗ been working on this fire station

16:37 ↗ relocation for several years now uh we

16:40 ↗ have identified the need for a new fire

16:42 ↗ station this is largely driven by the

16:44 ↗ growing community and the size of the

16:46 ↗ fire apparatus required to respond to

16:49 ↗ emergencies we need fire stations that

16:51 ↗ have Bays that are big enough for the

16:53 ↗ equipment we need to respond to fires uh

16:56 ↗ and currently fire station 71 does not

16:59 ↗ have Bays that are big enough for really

17:01 ↗ the equipment that we need so um uh as

17:06 ↗ you may recall we've been working with

17:07 ↗ state parks on a location there for a

17:10 ↗ fire station that work continues we've

17:13 ↗ been working with them for several years

17:15 ↗ now and we're still at least two years

17:17 ↗ away um for potentially getting land

17:20 ↗ control of a site at the state park and

17:23 ↗ um it's not it's not a done deal it's

17:25 ↗ not assured they still may not approve

17:27 ↗ of this request

17:30 ↗ and so as we're looking at our other

17:31 ↗ facility needs we've been constantly

17:33 ↗ assessing what are other good fire

17:35 ↗ station locations how can we meet this

17:38 ↗ need um and we look at the data for

17:40 ↗ response times so best overall City

17:43 ↗ response times again overall for the

17:45 ↗ city are from front and Gilman Street

17:48 ↗ and along Sunset that's what our

17:49 ↗ modeling has showed as we've partnered

17:51 ↗ with epher on this um and so we've been

17:54 ↗ continuously evaluating to try to find

17:56 ↗ how we can have the most responsive

17:58 ↗ service over overall for the city as a

18:00 ↗ whole as well as the lowest cost and

18:02 ↗ that's what's been really driving us in

18:04 ↗ looking for fire station

18:07 ↗ sites and so here uh we see a concept

18:12 ↗ for this very property that we're

18:15 ↗ sitting on as Autumn said was our

18:16 ↗ original fire station 71 location um we

18:20 ↗ wanted to see if it was possible to even

18:22 ↗ fit a modern fire station that's big

18:24 ↗ enough that has Bays that are big enough

18:26 ↗ to fit the equipment we need um and we

18:28 ↗ discovered it is it is big enough for

18:30 ↗ that uh so uh with the idea of moving

18:34 ↗ the municipal court to another location

18:36 ↗ um we could use this property to build a

18:39 ↗ new fire station 71 and the picture that

18:42 ↗ you're seeing is just a more urban model

18:45 ↗ of fire station so it would not be all

18:48 ↗ on one level um in order to fit on this

18:50 ↗ property it would be multiple stories to

18:52 ↗ be able to fit all of the needs so the

18:54 ↗ residences and dormitories for the

18:56 ↗ firefighters would be above uh the bay

18:58 ↗ for

19:01 ↗ example back to

19:07 ↗ Autumn so with the proposal of building

19:09 ↗ a fire station on this site we needed to

19:11 ↗ find a new home for Municipal Court uh

19:14 ↗ as well as move out our city hall

19:16 ↗ offices on the second floor of City Hall

19:18 ↗ so that we could give police the well-

19:20 ↗ needed space that they need so uh We've

19:23 ↗ also been looking into leasing options

19:25 ↗ which can reduce upfront costs also a

19:27 ↗ phase approach help helps with just

19:29 ↗ organizational capacity to do all of

19:30 ↗ these capital projects and we've started

19:33 ↗ some discussions with King County

19:34 ↗ District Court which operates a court on

19:36 ↗ the other side of town and amazingly

19:39 ↗ they have space so um we're in

19:41 ↗ discussions and we've done some tours

19:42 ↗ with them um they are looking into the

19:45 ↗ idea of leasing us a designated

19:47 ↗ courtroom that would be just for isqua

19:49 ↗ use a judge's Chambers a holding cells a

19:53 ↗ public window staff workspace this

19:56 ↗ facility was built as a court and it

19:57 ↗ fits our operation needs and so we're

19:59 ↗ quite excited about this opportunity um

20:02 ↗ we have expressed what our needs are as

20:03 ↗ far as square footage uh with King

20:06 ↗ County and they're right now working on

20:08 ↗ estimating those leasing costs for us so

20:09 ↗ we should have those numbers soon we're

20:11 ↗ also researching options for leasing

20:14 ↗ space for both City Hall and council

20:15 ↗ chambers and so uh that search does

20:17 ↗ still

20:20 ↗ continue as far as police station

20:23 ↗ Renovations um I I showed this slide at

20:26 ↗ your retreat in February but we've find

20:28 ↗ our estimates a bit further on what

20:30 ↗ Renovations are needed for that building

20:32 ↗ it includes seismic upgrades as well as

20:34 ↗ a midlife renovation that was identified

20:36 ↗ in our facilities condition assessment

20:38 ↗ and then tenant improvements for

20:40 ↗ police's operations and just overall

20:44 ↗ growth so here are just some very rough

20:47 ↗ order of magnitude cost estimates um

20:50 ↗ you've seen this number before for fire

20:51 ↗ station 71 it's about the same for this

20:53 ↗ site about 32 million the police

20:55 ↗ Renovations at about 15 million so

20:57 ↗ that's 4 $7 million for this first phase

21:00 ↗ of the project as far as leasing costs

21:03 ↗ we just took kind of market rate and

21:05 ↗ really estimated it probably be about a

21:06 ↗ million dollar a year for rent and then

21:09 ↗ 10 improvements upwards of $4 million um

21:12 ↗ again these are very rough order of

21:14 ↗ magnitude if council is interested in

21:15 ↗ pursuing this option further uh we would

21:18 ↗ need to do some more scoping and cost

21:19 ↗ estimating and come back to

21:24 ↗ you Autumn before you head out we've got

21:27 ↗ a question from council member marz yeah

21:29 ↗ a a couple of questions first off um uh

21:34 ↗ it seems like the the the size of this

21:37 ↗ building is smaller than the fire

21:40 ↗ station I was looking at it the fire

21:42 ↗ station's footprint is about 1,000

21:44 ↗ square meters and this entire parcel

21:47 ↗ including the courtyard in front is only

21:49 ↗ about 750 square meters so it seems like

21:53 ↗ a a smaller patch if you were going to

21:55 ↗ try to put a fire station in where the

21:57 ↗ where the current fire station is that's

21:59 ↗ the first

22:03 ↗ question U what we've done uh with our

22:06 ↗ architect is look at how to fit the

22:08 ↗ square footage uh we believe that we

22:10 ↗ need for this fire station onto each

22:12 ↗ site and I think the issue that we would

22:14 ↗ have with putting it on the loc on its

22:17 ↗ current location is really one around

22:19 ↗ parking and impeding on Memorial Park

22:21 ↗ and so as we look at the size of the bay

22:23 ↗ that would be needed um also the apron

22:27 ↗ the driveway getting into the Bay to be

22:29 ↗ able to maneuver the trucks in and out

22:30 ↗ off of sunset it would need to be a

22:32 ↗ little bit bigger um than certainly what

22:35 ↗ it is today and just didn't didn't fit

22:38 ↗ um well we would need to take over

22:39 ↗ pretty much all of that parking lot um

22:42 ↗ and maybe even get into uh a little bit

22:45 ↗ of Memorial Park especially as we look

22:47 ↗ at storm water control this site because

22:49 ↗ of the alley um and what would be the

22:52 ↗ egress on Sunset uh offers just a little

22:55 ↗ bit more maneuverability for the size of

22:57 ↗ apparatus and and um the bay and the

23:00 ↗ apron or driveway that we would need

23:03 ↗ okay but it seems like a much smaller

23:04 ↗ patch I mean it's literally the entire

23:07 ↗ property is less than the footprint of

23:09 ↗ the current station 71

23:12 ↗ build so if if station 71 is too small I

23:16 ↗ don't understand how going to a smaller

23:18 ↗ parcel would work and and if Council

23:20 ↗ would like us to provide um the other

23:23 ↗ kind of uh concept fit drawing for the

23:26 ↗ current location of fire station 7 we

23:28 ↗ can certainly do that at a later date so

23:30 ↗ you can see kind of how these things

23:32 ↗ compare with each other I would

23:34 ↗ definitely like to see that the other

23:36 ↗ question I have is what's the I don't

23:38 ↗ understand the rental what what would we

23:39 ↗ be renting to whom

23:44 ↗ where so the proposal is that we would

23:47 ↗ um lease space at King County District

23:50 ↗ Court for municipal court and then we

23:52 ↗ would be still searching for options to

23:55 ↗ relocate City Hall and council chambers

23:57 ↗ elsewhere so that work is still ongoing

23:59 ↗ and finding a location can you ring can

24:01 ↗ you with that slide up back up

24:03 ↗ please you're there a second the one the

24:06 ↗ one that showed a million dollars her

24:09 ↗ in had numbers there we go so leasing

24:13 ↗ cost City Hall and court so tenant

24:16 ↗ improvements someplace else so we would

24:18 ↗ do 4 million tenant improvements

24:20 ↗ someplace else and then spend a million

24:22 ↗ a year renting at that someplace

24:24 ↗ else I

24:25 ↗ see thank you yeah

24:31 ↗ okay looks like we can move

24:34 ↗ on great thank you uh so question

24:38 ↗ remains how how can we pay for these

24:41 ↗ facility

24:43 ↗ needs and uh the first part of our

24:47 ↗ proposal would be that we use existing

24:50 ↗ funds to help fund for the least

24:53 ↗ property expenses and that would be

24:55 ↗ again for City administration offices

24:57 ↗ and Municipal Court

24:58 ↗ uh we anticipate having approximately 10

25:02 ↗ to 15 million from the sale of City Hall

25:05 ↗ Northwest as well as our uh government

25:07 ↗ mitigation funds that we have um on hand

25:10 ↗ right now including the proceeds from

25:12 ↗ the Lakeside development agreement that

25:13 ↗ I know we've discussed a couple of times

25:15 ↗ over the past few years um so with that

25:17 ↗ money if we look at the $4 million in

25:20 ↗ estimate for the tenant improvements

25:22 ↗ these existing funds that we have uh are

25:24 ↗ anticipated to cover the lease cost for

25:26 ↗ 5 to 8 years or for the city

25:28 ↗ administration offices and the Municipal

25:42 ↗ Court um as we look at the financing

25:45 ↗ portion uh Bond versus Levy Council had

25:48 ↗ asked for a little bit more information

25:50 ↗ from our discussion last time about

25:51 ↗ these tools and so I'd like to go

25:54 ↗ through that tonight and then provide

25:55 ↗ the administration's recommendation on

25:57 ↗ how we would Finance our other Capital

25:58 ↗ needs uh for the construction of the

26:00 ↗ fire station and the um Police

26:03 ↗ Department Renovations so uh differences

26:06 ↗ between a voter approved Bond and a

26:08 ↗ single-ear uh Levy lid

26:11 ↗ lift the most important difference is

26:14 ↗ this top uh row right here which is that

26:17 ↗ um a single year Levy Li lift would

26:21 ↗ could be ongoing um but there's a cap on

26:25 ↗ how much of that Revenue can be used for

26:27 ↗ debt service and that cap is really 9

26:29 ↗ years so you can't use proceeds from a

26:32 ↗ levely lid lift towards Debt Service for

26:35 ↗ more than 9 years that's a state

26:38 ↗ law um that is really the main reason

26:42 ↗ and main difference here between a levy

26:45 ↗ lid lift and a voter approved Bond um

26:48 ↗ the voter approved Bond would be the

26:50 ↗ term would be limited to the life of the

26:52 ↗ bond so if we take out let's say a

26:54 ↗ 30-year Loan in order to pay for these

26:57 ↗ Capital expenses then the bond would

26:59 ↗ last that extra property tax would last

27:01 ↗ those 30 years and we could use that

27:02 ↗ Revenue to pay for that Debt Service um

27:06 ↗ if it's a 30-year loan we take out to

27:08 ↗ pay for the fire station ipd Renovations

27:11 ↗ um only nine years of Revenue with a

27:14 ↗ levy lid lift could we use to pay off

27:16 ↗ that debt service so we need to figure

27:18 ↗ out um what other funds what other

27:21 ↗ revenues we would have to pay off that

27:23 ↗ debt service if the city chose to

27:26 ↗ proceed with a levy Li lift

27:28 ↗ I want to pause there and just ask if

27:30 ↗ there's any questions because I think

27:32 ↗ that's the really the most important

27:33 ↗ difference and I'd love to go through

27:35 ↗ the other differences as

27:38 ↗ well M right since she paused um what's

27:41 ↗ the what what term of debt are we using

27:45 ↗ for our estimates our estimates are 30

27:48 ↗ years with 5% okay so the nine years it'

27:51 ↗ be get completely blown out got

27:55 ↗ it great um other key differences in

27:59 ↗ terms of uh what type of vote would pass

28:03 ↗ so uh for a voter approved Bond it

28:06 ↗ requires

28:07 ↗ 60% um of the vote with at least 40%

28:11 ↗ turnout from the last gubernatorial

28:13 ↗ election that's required to pass a bond

28:16 ↗ uh for a levied lift the bar is a little

28:19 ↗ lower with 50% plus one to pass and no

28:22 ↗ turnout

28:24 ↗ requirement uh bonds cannot be used to

28:27 ↗ replace

28:28 ↗ equipment um whereas Levy Li lifts can

28:31 ↗ be used for any general purpose again

28:33 ↗ with that exception of Debt Service

28:35 ↗ having a limit of 9

28:37 ↗ years um the bond is not subject to

28:41 ↗ State limits on the total property tax

28:43 ↗ rates so cities are limited in terms of

28:44 ↗ how much we can tax uh overall and the

28:47 ↗ bond can be in addition to that limit

28:50 ↗ whereas uh the levy lid lift is included

28:53 ↗ in those State limits on the property

28:55 ↗ tax rate

28:59 ↗ so in addition to using uh in addition

29:03 ↗ to

29:04 ↗ using existing funds to pay for those

29:06 ↗ leasing costs we're also uh recommending

29:10 ↗ using a bond uh for paying off those

29:15 ↗ Capital expenses and Debt Service our

29:18 ↗ estimates here show fire station 71

29:20 ↗ would have an annual Debt Service of a

29:22 ↗ little over $2 million the average

29:25 ↗ annual household impact would be 140 um

29:28 ↗ to determine average annual household

29:29 ↗ imp impact that's a home value of uh a

29:33 ↗ little over $1.1

29:36 ↗ million for the isqua police department

29:38 ↗ Renovations the annual Debt Service

29:40 ↗ would be uh 975,000

29:44 ↗ with uh an impact of about $66 annually

29:47 ↗ on that average isqua home so total you

29:51 ↗ can see 3 million uh in Debt Service uh

29:55 ↗ year and then the total impact uh on

29:59 ↗ isqua uh property taxpayers would be

30:01 ↗ about

30:02 ↗ $26 again these are all estimates rough

30:05 ↗ order of magnitude but we wanted to show

30:08 ↗ approximately what those impacts would

30:09 ↗ look like um over a 30 years of Debt

30:14 ↗ Service um in

30:16 ↗ addition uh the levy rate would increase

30:19 ↗ from 74 uh per thousand assessed value

30:23 ↗ to um 92 cents I see there's some

30:27 ↗ questions yeah yes indeed uh council

30:29 ↗ member Mars um okay so I'm I'm a little

30:32 ↗ confused on a on a million dooll house

30:35 ↗ that Levy rate would result in $740 to

30:39 ↗ $920 uh uh per year so what how does the

30:44 ↗ 206 relate to somewhere between 740 and

30:50 ↗ 9 I I can check my math we've used this

30:55 ↗ model and right but I mean a thousand

30:58 ↗ you know 74 $1,000 multiply that by ,000

31:01 ↗ you get

31:02 ↗ $740 right so I'm just trying to

31:05 ↗ understand how that that tells me that a

31:07 ↗ million dooll house would have uh a fee

31:09 ↗ of between $740 and

31:11 ↗ $920 but I see 206 under household

31:14 ↗ impact so why the

31:18 ↗ difference where's the rest of the

31:19 ↗ Andrea would it be the 920 minus the

31:25 ↗ 740 oh that's not a r 92 I'm sorry range

31:31 ↗ somewhere that's where it's increasing

31:33 ↗ from I'm sorry thank you so the 74 is

31:37 ↗ what we what people pay today 092 is

31:40 ↗ what they would pay with this and so

31:41 ↗ it's the difference between the two so

31:44 ↗ there's a levy currently that's what is

31:46 ↗ the 74 per thou assess that's that's the

31:50 ↗ existing property tax levy and there's

31:51 ↗ additional slides coming up that get a

31:53 ↗ little bit further that 74 is our

31:56 ↗ current rate of property tax and so it

31:59 ↗ would increase from 74

32:02 ↗ to92 thank you I thought that was just a

32:05 ↗ range of variable range that we weren't

32:07 ↗ sure exactly how much increase okay

32:09 ↗ Perils of math thank you

32:13 ↗ indeed other

32:16 ↗ questions

32:17 ↗ okay um so this next slide Compares

32:20 ↗ those existing rates these are all the

32:22 ↗ 2024 Levy rates from our peer cities and

32:24 ↗ neighboring cities as you can see isqua

32:28 ↗ um is the lowest among our peers listed

32:31 ↗ here at 74 per ,000 of assessed

32:38 ↗ value oh and I should say that if we

32:41 ↗ were to um increase the tax to pay for

32:44 ↗ these Capital needs it would really put

32:46 ↗ us between Redmond and Kirkland at that

32:48 ↗ 0.92

32:50 ↗ uh

32:53 ↗ amount so again just reiterating our

32:55 ↗ funding recommendations and how we would

32:57 ↗ fund these facility needs uh that we

32:59 ↗ would fund the office and Court leases

33:01 ↗ with existing funds that we have from

33:03 ↗ the sale of uh City Hall Northwest as

33:05 ↗ well as our government mitigation funds

33:08 ↗ and then um we would plan for a voter

33:11 ↗ approved bond to provide for Public

33:13 ↗ Safety

33:17 ↗ facilities next steps uh we would return

33:20 ↗ to council to discuss uh an update on

33:23 ↗ Leasing and Partnerships also public

33:26 ↗ engagement plan on these projects and

33:28 ↗ any potential ballot measure we want to

33:30 ↗ discuss what that would look like with

33:32 ↗ you what our plan is um and then of

33:35 ↗ course we would bring back refined cost

33:37 ↗ and scoping as we have that information

33:40 ↗ available are there any

33:46 ↗ questions Deputy council president D

33:48 ↗ Michelle thanks so let's start with the

33:51 ↗ fire

33:52 ↗ station um if we tear down this building

33:56 ↗ and we put a fire station here that's uh

33:58 ↗ I would call that a 100-year decision

34:00 ↗ it's going to be here for a long time

34:02 ↗ and so the you know the one data point

34:05 ↗ we've gotten is response times response

34:07 ↗ times are good we didn't see any actual

34:09 ↗ figures to to help us understand that

34:12 ↗ but that was the one data point that we

34:14 ↗ were presented do we know that that

34:18 ↗ response time is going to be good 25

34:20 ↗ years from now 30 years from now 50

34:22 ↗ years from now and uh what is going to

34:26 ↗ happen to this street Street out here

34:28 ↗ with

34:30 ↗ larger um vehicles and I mean un and

34:34 ↗ certainly we can't predict everything

34:36 ↗ but I would think that a part of our

34:38 ↗ thinking is is this location going to

34:40 ↗ serveice well for the next 100 years

34:43 ↗ because it's going to be here and uh I

34:47 ↗ don't see any of that kind of data or

34:50 ↗ projections or uh anything being

34:53 ↗ presented to us so what's the thinking

34:56 ↗ there in terms of the long range

34:59 ↗ consequences of placing a fire station

35:02 ↗ on a very very busy street in central

35:05 ↗ isqua thank you for that question I'm

35:08 ↗ wondering if Chief Ben Lane uh could

35:10 ↗ help provide some insights into what was

35:13 ↗ used with the modeling uh to determine

35:15 ↗ response times we work with Eastside

35:18 ↗ fire and rescue to understand what their

35:20 ↗ response time data is and for them to

35:22 ↗ model this out for us and I see he's

35:25 ↗ there on

35:26 ↗ camera yeah good evening Council can you

35:28 ↗ hear me

35:29 ↗ okay yes we can thanks all right to

35:34 ↗ answer the question on uh how East Side

35:36 ↗ Fire and Rescue uses data for our uh

35:39 ↗ planning

35:40 ↗ purposes so in collaboration with the

35:42 ↗ city around this discussion for the fire

35:44 ↗ station we looked at data over the last

35:46 ↗ four and a half years and we totaled

35:48 ↗ just shy of 19,000 calls and we we pin

35:52 ↗ mapped those calls throughout the

35:54 ↗ service area and then we compared the

35:57 ↗ station location the current station

35:59 ↗ location to some proposed locations

36:02 ↗ specifically East Lake Sam um site in

36:06 ↗ addition to that we looked um at Future

36:09 ↗ planning where I know that

36:12 ↗ um Andrea mentioned that uh the the best

36:16 ↗ location is sort of that front and

36:18 ↗ sunset spot where there certainly is no

36:21 ↗ land available so we default to the

36:23 ↗ current location and we feel confident

36:26 ↗ that based off of the current call

36:28 ↗ volume and the projected growth at least

36:31 ↗ what the city has on the docket that

36:34 ↗ this fire station would would serve the

36:36 ↗ city both today and in the

36:41 ↗ future uh just a followup uh you know

36:43 ↗ for years I've heard that we needed to

36:46 ↗ move the fire station out of central

36:48 ↗ isqua we needed to move it North to

36:50 ↗ serve uh the northern part of isqua and

36:54 ↗ so this came is sort of a surprise that

36:56 ↗ all of a sudden we're back here on on

36:59 ↗ Sunset with this uh proposal and I

37:02 ↗ realize that land is hard to find but um

37:06 ↗ again this is a 100-year decision we're

37:08 ↗ going to make and we want to make sure

37:10 ↗ that it's going to be what we want and

37:12 ↗ what we need for the long term and uh

37:15 ↗ I'm I you know I realize you've got data

37:17 ↗ on current response times but we have to

37:21 ↗ be figuring out is this going to is this

37:24 ↗ uh location going to last us is it going

37:27 ↗ going to be effective into the

37:30 ↗ future city

37:32 ↗ administrator uh as Andrea has mentioned

37:35 ↗ uh this is a project that has been in

37:37 ↗ discussion for uh a few years before

37:40 ↗ I've been here and I've been here almost

37:41 ↗ five and so what we did once the

37:44 ↗ pandemic settled was go back to East

37:46 ↗ Side Fire and Rescue and and start again

37:49 ↗ with the discussions about the fire

37:50 ↗ station and the assumptions that were

37:53 ↗ made um the discussions that were pre2

37:57 ↗ 19 about moving the fire station further

38:00 ↗ north uh we came to discover was under

38:03 ↗ sort of a different set of uh uh

38:05 ↗ parameters where that station would not

38:08 ↗ only serve continue to serve isqua but

38:10 ↗ would also serve other parts North

38:12 ↗ within the East Side Fire and Rescue

38:14 ↗ area and so as we look to move the

38:16 ↗ station keep the station at this

38:18 ↗ location um we will continue to very

38:21 ↗ well serve isqua I think there continues

38:23 ↗ to be challenges in samamish uh and they

38:25 ↗ are also facing uh questions about

38:28 ↗ additional resources that they need so

38:30 ↗ under those pre 20109 discussions I

38:33 ↗ think the uh an additional isqua station

38:36 ↗ was looked at as helping

38:38 ↗ samamish and so now as we're moving it

38:40 ↗ further south keeping it here um we feel

38:43 ↗ as I think Chief Lane has said very

38:45 ↗ comfortable that is quite well taken

38:47 ↗ care of uh it then I think provides

38:49 ↗ additional discussions for the city of

38:51 ↗ samamish as to what they'll be doing uh

38:54 ↗ with their fire stations and the need

38:56 ↗ for perhaps an additional fire station

38:58 ↗ one uh part of this discussion uh

39:02 ↗ looking at the reconstitution of a fire

39:04 ↗ station here making it larger will

39:06 ↗ hopefully keep us from having to build

39:08 ↗ an additional fire station in isqua at

39:10 ↗ some other location in the future so um

39:13 ↗ as we've kind of sharpened the pencil uh

39:16 ↗ when we came to the conclusion that

39:17 ↗ finding another piece of property was

39:19 ↗ becoming nearly impossible uh this is

39:22 ↗ what we learned in talking with the East

39:24 ↗ Side Fire and Rescue and chief Lane

39:26 ↗ please correct me if you feel I've

39:27 ↗ misstated anything about the discussions

39:30 ↗ sort of the the macro discussions we've

39:32 ↗ had over the last couple of years as

39:35 ↗ we've kind of made that assessment of

39:37 ↗ what isqua needs are versus perhaps

39:40 ↗ needs further to the

39:43 ↗ north no those are accurate

39:48 ↗ statements okay anything else on

39:54 ↗ that great maybe we stay on fire for a

39:58 ↗ second uh council member m we never want

40:01 ↗ to be on fire it's really a bad place to

40:03 ↗ be um so I I was kind of uh intrigued

40:07 ↗ with the idea that um we don't have

40:11 ↗ enough space within fire station 71 for

40:13 ↗ large equipment because we have our

40:15 ↗ largest piece of equipment as I

40:17 ↗ understand it the the tiller is kind of

40:18 ↗ based there is there a vision that

40:20 ↗ there's something um some apparatus

40:22 ↗ that's still larger that we would need

40:25 ↗ to house because that's a big rig

40:29 ↗ your thoughts I this

40:31 ↗ one yeah so your your statement is

40:35 ↗ correct our tillered ladder truck is our

40:37 ↗ largest piece of equipment that is

40:38 ↗ currently housed at station

40:40 ↗ 71 it's also important to note that

40:43 ↗ there was a retrofit to allow that

40:47 ↗ particular unit to fit in the center

40:49 ↗ apparatus Bay with only inches of

40:51 ↗ clearance um our angle of departure so

40:54 ↗ the crew has to if you see them during

40:56 ↗ busy uh travel hours during the day they

40:59 ↗ have to back the unit inside the station

41:02 ↗ because we're not able to drive through

41:05 ↗ um and then it would it prevents us from

41:08 ↗ future specs of an apparatus where we

41:11 ↗ had to where where they may very well be

41:14 ↗ the need to expand that unit right now

41:18 ↗ it's a single axle tractor drawn aerial

41:21 ↗ uh ladder truck um and given the size of

41:26 ↗ the building we could not look at a

41:27 ↗ tandem axle which is um probably the

41:31 ↗ more popular tractor drawn aerial

41:33 ↗ resource so yes are currently our

41:36 ↗ largest apparatuses there today but

41:38 ↗ there are some significant barriers and

41:40 ↗ it certainly prevents us from

41:43 ↗ potentially specking the apparatus

41:45 ↗ that's most appropriate in the future

41:46 ↗ for the

41:47 ↗ city great thanks um one one followup on

41:51 ↗ fire but this is more of a facilities

41:53 ↗ thing did we look at what it would take

41:54 ↗ to

41:56 ↗ remodel uh 71 as opposed to uh move and

42:06 ↗ raise yes is the short answer and we

42:10 ↗ still need more space um so we can

42:14 ↗ provide that fit diagram that I

42:15 ↗ mentioned earlier so you can compare uh

42:18 ↗ that but really the concern is we would

42:20 ↗ need to um consume some of the current

42:24 ↗ parking space which would then um that's

42:27 ↗ also serving the police station um and

42:31 ↗ we may need also more space um in

42:34 ↗ addition to that parking area uh to

42:37 ↗ accommodate the apparatus that we're

42:39 ↗ hoping to house the new Fire

42:43 ↗ Station uh council member

42:46 ↗ Hall a quick followup to that and my

42:49 ↗ understanding too is even if we did

42:50 ↗ remodel that station we would still have

42:52 ↗ to tear it all the way down is that

42:55 ↗ right yes due to the type of

42:58 ↗ construction it's very difficult to just

42:59 ↗ do a simple renovation Chief Lane talked

43:02 ↗ about the um expansion that we did to

43:05 ↗ try to fit the lad apparatus that's

43:08 ↗ there and so um it it would be very

43:11 ↗ difficult to work with what we have um

43:14 ↗ that building's also aging it also like

43:16 ↗ many of the other City buildings is not

43:18 ↗ in great condition um we do have the

43:20 ↗ need for dormatory space um for our um

43:25 ↗ for our responders as well so we would

43:27 ↗ need to make sure that the facility

43:29 ↗ meets current standards and and it would

43:32 ↗ take it's not practical or feasible to

43:35 ↗ just do a renovation we would likely

43:37 ↗ have to level it and construct

43:41 ↗ new anyone else on

43:45 ↗ fire

43:47 ↗ fantastic uh council member

43:49 ↗ Marts um how old is station

43:55 ↗ 71 I'm looking over to

43:57 ↗ Genie to see if she recalls it's not off

44:01 ↗ the top of her head we'll have to come

44:02 ↗ back to you with that

44:04 ↗ information unless Chief Lane knows and

44:06 ↗ I'm guessing he probably doesn't either

44:09 ↗ okay okay we'll we'll look for that

44:11 ↗ information while uh council member Hall

44:14 ↗ is quickly trying to search for it I can

44:16 ↗ see I can read you yeah uh Deputy

44:20 ↗ council president D Michelle okay uh

44:23 ↗ thank you um so I had a little angst

44:25 ↗ about the picture that was in the

44:27 ↗ presentation um and I think we've got to

44:30 ↗ be very careful about the images that we

44:32 ↗ are putting out even at this stage of

44:34 ↗ the game because I'm hopeful that if we

44:36 ↗ built a brand new fire station here that

44:38 ↗ it would be designed to fit into the Old

44:42 ↗ Town look and um so I would hope that we

44:46 ↗ would not put out any more of those

44:49 ↗ kinds of photos it was a little bit like

44:52 ↗ whoa we're going to have this huge

44:54 ↗ structure here um multi story and uh and

44:59 ↗ I don't think we want an industrial type

45:01 ↗ look to that so I just want to mention

45:04 ↗ that um and then uh so I I think that if

45:08 ↗ we're thinking about doing this we have

45:10 ↗ to be really responsive to how is the

45:13 ↗ business community on Front Street

45:15 ↗ feeling about it how is the Creative

45:17 ↗ Arts District feeling about it we've got

45:19 ↗ a lot going on in this old historic part

45:21 ↗ of Isa and so uh any any major new

45:26 ↗ building like that I think it's got to

45:28 ↗ fit into the character of this downtown

45:30 ↗ area do you have a question on that or

45:33 ↗ oh do you agree with

45:36 ↗ me okay Deputy council president D

45:39 ↗ Michelle any building that's constructed

45:41 ↗ in the Oldtown area would need to comply

45:42 ↗ with our design standards so that was

45:44 ↗ just meant as a visual to say that it it

45:47 ↗ will have to be multi stories in order

45:49 ↗ to fit onto this property but there's a

45:51 ↗ lot more work that needs to be done many

45:53 ↗ more conversations with the community

45:55 ↗ about what they would like to see in a

45:57 ↗ fire station and as I said before

45:59 ↗ certainly the design standards would

46:04 ↗ apply council member Joe I had a court

46:08 ↗ question for Ray to move on to that all

46:11 ↗ let uh council member hul one more fire

46:14 ↗ question so um what would happen if all

46:17 ↗ of the sudden the state parks are

46:18 ↗ interested again um is at that point

46:21 ↗ would we want to and and we're going

46:23 ↗ down the path of building station 71

46:27 ↗ would we re-evaluate at that point or

46:29 ↗ are we sold that this

46:33 ↗ is is like this could serve isqua but

46:37 ↗ also we're members of an organization

46:39 ↗ that supports an entire service area and

46:41 ↗ if we can create efficiencies for

46:42 ↗ multiple jurisdictions without

46:44 ↗ decreasing level of service here in

46:46 ↗ isqua is that something so I guess this

46:48 ↗ is a roundabout way of saying would we

46:50 ↗ reevaluate at that point if they were

46:51 ↗ open or would we be would we be happy

46:53 ↗ where we are I I believe the key thing

46:56 ↗ that you said is that we want to make

46:57 ↗ sure that we wouldn't result in a

46:59 ↗ decrease in overall times for isqua I

47:01 ↗ think as we look at the system uh

47:04 ↗ systemwide including samamish a station

47:07 ↗ in the north tends to make a lot of

47:09 ↗ sense but if we look at really just

47:12 ↗ isqua um specific response times overall

47:17 ↗ uh the northern location starts to make

47:20 ↗ less sense but one of the reasons why we

47:21 ↗ were looking at it was also because we

47:24 ↗ wanted to be able to find a site where

47:25 ↗ the land could be free and we've been

47:29 ↗ working with state parks on perhaps a

47:30 ↗ land exchange between city-owned land

47:33 ↗ and State Park land for that site and so

47:36 ↗ as we're still looking to build the fire

47:38 ↗ station on land that is free that's one

47:40 ↗ of the reasons why we also thought that

47:42 ↗ this um location that we're standing in

47:44 ↗ would be a good a good site um state

47:47 ↗ parks it's not a matter of necessarily

47:51 ↗ their their interest um there's a lot of

47:54 ↗ process with the state parks uh one part

47:57 ↗ of that process for example the state

47:59 ↗ parks has no control over and that

48:01 ↗ includes National Park Service approval

48:03 ↗ due to how that property was acquired um

48:06 ↗ they need to take this to the federal

48:08 ↗ level and get approval there and um

48:11 ↗ there is there's no estimate for how

48:13 ↗ long that's going to take at this point

48:17 ↗ so um it's not even really entirely in

48:20 ↗ the hands of the state park system to

48:22 ↗ make this decision either okay thank you

48:25 ↗ that's very helpful

48:27 ↗ so one second do you have another fire

48:29 ↗ station okay council member Marts I'll

48:32 ↗ come back to you eventually station 71

48:35 ↗ was built in

48:37 ↗ 1969 uh it's a woodframe structure my

48:40 ↗ house was built in 1974 it's a wood

48:42 ↗ frame frame structure I'm pretty sure it

48:44 ↗ can be renovated so I I would need to

48:47 ↗ understand more why this is an automatic

48:49 ↗ tear down um 1969 is not ancient and uh

48:54 ↗ I I would I would imagine the folks in

48:55 ↗ 1969 thought this was a 100-year

48:57 ↗ decision and they were building that

48:59 ↗ fire station so I you know I need to

49:02 ↗ understand more about why we have to if

49:04 ↗ automatically have to tear down that

49:05 ↗ station thank you great and we can

49:08 ↗ return with that information more

49:09 ↗ information from the architect thank

49:13 ↗ you okay I'm going to say we can move on

49:17 ↗ to City Hall Court other areas of

49:20 ↗ questions starting with council member

49:22 ↗ Joe thank you council president um

49:25 ↗ question I had about um the court was

49:29 ↗ has there been a conversation with the

49:32 ↗ district court to have um our Council

49:36 ↗ meetings at the court

49:38 ↗ Chambers and or has there been

49:40 ↗ conversation with the school district to

49:42 ↗ use their facility for our Council means

49:45 ↗ just as I travel through the greater

49:48 ↗ counties uh they're using those

49:50 ↗ facilities interchangeably sometimes in

49:51 ↗ a number of the different cities so I

49:53 ↗ was just curious as to what has been

49:55 ↗ done there

49:59 ↗ uh short answer is yes I've been

50:00 ↗ shopping um so there's a few options for

50:03 ↗ council chambers a lot of it depends on

50:05 ↗ where we end up with City Hall um so you

50:08 ↗ know I've been collecting several

50:09 ↗ options several of them include

50:10 ↗ partnering with with agencies to find

50:13 ↗ space for council chambers we also have

50:15 ↗ Tibbits U Manor so that is another

50:17 ↗ option we could renovate that space uh

50:20 ↗ put in a Di and make that more of a

50:21 ↗ public meeting space uh for Council um

50:24 ↗ so yes there's several options that that

50:26 ↗ are on our list that we're looking

50:28 ↗ at yeah my only thought was that uh the

50:31 ↗ school district would probably be very

50:33 ↗ gracious in allowing us to hold our

50:35 ↗ Council means there and the if we're

50:37 ↗ renting out the court space anyway it

50:39 ↗ wouldn't be too much of an add-on in

50:41 ↗ terms of cost to do uh Council means ER

50:44 ↗ so I'm glad you're exploring all those

50:46 ↗ options thank

50:49 ↗ you looking around it other Quest oh man

50:53 ↗ all of y'all okay I'll just keep going

50:56 ↗ around Deputy council president D

51:00 ↗ Michelle um so earlier we had quite a

51:04 ↗ discussion about how important it was to

51:06 ↗ have the court next to the police

51:09 ↗ station and um so you know I think I'd

51:13 ↗ really like to hear from uh Chief Schwan

51:15 ↗ about that but and in the document or

51:18 ↗ the packet that you gave us it said

51:20 ↗ distance can be mitigated but I'd like

51:23 ↗ to hear what kind of mitigations we're

51:25 ↗ thinking about and and and how did we

51:28 ↗ come to the conclusion that it would be

51:30 ↗ okay to not have the municipal court

51:33 ↗ next to the police station so I I don't

51:36 ↗ know if Chief Schwan wants to answer

51:38 ↗ that or if you'd like to answer it yeah

51:40 ↗ Chief Schwan uh joined us tonight just

51:41 ↗ anticipating those questions because we

51:43 ↗ definitely did talk about there is

51:45 ↗ efficiencies in locating court and PD

51:47 ↗ together and we have for so long um but

51:50 ↗ there are also so many other benefits to

51:52 ↗ uh locating at King County District

51:53 ↗ Court uh and just from a customers

51:55 ↗ perspective and we have Christy sha on

51:57 ↗ as well um our court administrator who

52:00 ↗ can talk to this too but we have a lot

52:02 ↗ of customers who are confused on which

52:03 ↗ court they're going to and so if we

52:04 ↗ collocate that is enhancing customer

52:07 ↗ service that was another benefit as well

52:09 ↗ but um I'll turn it to Chief Schwan to

52:10 ↗ start

52:12 ↗ with thank you autum and thanks council

52:16 ↗ members um the biggest thing I know we

52:19 ↗ talked about the court close to jail and

52:23 ↗ police department was a big deal and

52:25 ↗ helpful was

52:27 ↗ um a lot of it was the services and the

52:29 ↗ ability

52:31 ↗ that currently there is no holding cell

52:34 ↗ which that does have what's provided at

52:36 ↗ the next location um the prospective

52:40 ↗ location I say in the other court it's

52:42 ↗ got space for jurors it's a lot more

52:44 ↗ safer for everybody because the security

52:47 ↗ well um we do have transport a lot of

52:50 ↗ what video cour done lately um is you

52:55 ↗ know changed some of that process of

52:58 ↗ Court needing to be so much closer to

53:00 ↗ the police department because it's very

53:04 ↗ um limited these days how many remands

53:07 ↗ they actually have when there's in

53:08 ↗ person and that has changed that

53:11 ↗ dramatically since CO as well um so and

53:15 ↗ right now currently even being across

53:16 ↗ the street we've still had to literally

53:19 ↗ drive to get someone or someone picked

53:21 ↗ up whereas have to do the same across

53:25 ↗ the uh Chief Schwan you're breaking up a

53:27 ↗ little bit so I can help translate if

53:29 ↗ you didn't quite catch

53:31 ↗ that um and so several benefits one is

53:34 ↗ having holding cells over at King County

53:36 ↗ District Court and so there's not an

53:37 ↗ immediate need to pick someone up so

53:40 ↗ they can they can be in the holding cell

53:41 ↗ until PD arrives for transport um and

53:44 ↗ also right now currently they still have

53:46 ↗ to uh bring someone over in a vehicle so

53:48 ↗ they can't they don't just walk them

53:49 ↗ over across the street they have to be

53:51 ↗ in a vehicle and so they're already

53:52 ↗ doing that load and unload process it's

53:54 ↗ just a matter of driving over to the

53:55 ↗ district court

53:57 ↗ and uh with with virtual court now um

54:00 ↗ especially during covid that has been

54:02 ↗ very much perfected in its operations

54:04 ↗ and so there's a lot less transport

54:05 ↗ that's

54:09 ↗ happening okay uh council member

54:13 ↗ Ray thanks I have a couple of questions

54:15 ↗ about the alignment to goals chart

54:18 ↗ because I I appreciate the the insights

54:21 ↗ on why Steward of public dollars and

54:23 ↗ customer service were not viewed

54:26 ↗ um as positively for option b um and if

54:31 ↗ and this is what I think I heard I'm

54:33 ↗ paraphrasing but because there weren't

54:35 ↗ any really viable options there um it

54:37 ↗ wasn't going to be cost- effective and

54:39 ↗ it wasn't going to provide good customer

54:40 ↗ service so the reality of it is there

54:42 ↗ really is no option b i mean I think

54:45 ↗ this is kind of kind of trying to give

54:46 ↗ us a false sense of comparison and I

54:48 ↗ don't think it's real because I think

54:50 ↗ customer service could be just as good

54:52 ↗ in the core and I think that um it would

54:55 ↗ probably be better uses of

54:56 ↗ of City dollars if we were in the core

54:59 ↗ so I think those are um I find this

55:03 ↗ objectionable so because it you're

55:05 ↗ you're telling me you're making a

55:06 ↗ comparison and it's not real so I'm

55:08 ↗ seeing nods okay and the comparison's

55:11 ↗ gotten a lot harder as we've done our

55:13 ↗ shopping and looked around and there

55:14 ↗ just there aren't viable options um we

55:17 ↗ as we know we're very limited in

55:18 ↗ property for anything from Parks to

55:21 ↗ facilities to a fire station so um in

55:24 ↗ doing that work we we did not find very

55:26 ↗ viable options okay couple other

55:29 ↗ questions how many people are we looking

55:30 ↗ for lease Spas

55:32 ↗ 4 and maybe it's um it can be expressed

55:36 ↗ in terms of full week equivalence so

55:40 ↗ recognizing we have people working

55:41 ↗ remotely but I mean how many how big is

55:44 ↗ this yeah I I can get you those numbers

55:47 ↗ um and so I can report back on those but

55:49 ↗ but generally what we're looking at and

55:51 ↗ again um it's it's pretty fluid right

55:53 ↗ now just because we're looking at what

55:55 ↗ options are available as far as as Space

55:57 ↗ versus before when we were doing space

55:59 ↗ planning and say this is how much we

56:00 ↗ would need and how much we would build

56:02 ↗ um but right now what the goals are are

56:04 ↗ replacing the top floor of City Hall um

56:08 ↗ as well as the um Community Planning and

56:10 ↗ Development inspectors are currently

56:12 ↗ operating out of Tibbits so moving them

56:14 ↗ as well as the permit Center that's over

56:16 ↗ in the eagle room right now um so those

56:19 ↗ are the main city hall functions as well

56:21 ↗ as we talked about earlier moving

56:22 ↗ council chambers so I can get you um I

56:25 ↗ can get you the total ft ease of what

56:26 ↗ that is that'd be awesome okay and then

56:28 ↗ do we have a I mean we we laid out the

56:31 ↗ public safety plan the $47 million

56:34 ↗ what's the long and and the lease plan

56:36 ↗ of the5 to8 million what's the what's

56:39 ↗ the long-term plan for City Hall look

56:42 ↗ like I mean is there is there a

56:43 ↗ long-term plan for City Hall I think

56:45 ↗ there's a lot of work to still be done

56:46 ↗ on what the long-term plan is we would

56:48 ↗ have available property next door to the

56:51 ↗ police station in the future for say

56:53 ↗ Phase 2 um so that's one option again I

56:56 ↗ think the next steps will be um figuring

56:59 ↗ out a financing plan for that so the

57:02 ↗ option you're seeing tonight is is

57:04 ↗ really a way for us to start this

57:06 ↗ process and and uh package something

57:09 ↗ that um that really gets us started on a

57:12 ↗ path towards a full Oldtown

57:15 ↗ campus thank

57:18 ↗ you um council member

57:22 ↗ hall right and in that five to eight

57:25 ↗ years we do say we do find something

57:28 ↗ that we could purchase and renovate then

57:30 ↗ that could plan or we do identify a new

57:33 ↗ Revenue source for building and

57:35 ↗ realizing this vision for a municipal

57:37 ↗ that what you mean like during that

57:39 ↗ will yes yes and really you know as I've

57:43 ↗ been talking with co-workers this just

57:44 ↗ feels like a chessboard and it just

57:47 ↗ feels like we need to move a few pieces

57:48 ↗ just to get started on this project

57:50 ↗ because it is so massive and we have so

57:52 ↗ many facility needs and so uh that's why

57:55 ↗ we're coming back to you with this pH

57:56 ↗ approach of starting some of this with

57:58 ↗ the priority around Public

57:59 ↗ Safety and mad counc president members

58:02 ↗ of the council you know we've had to

58:04 ↗ come to face to face with a real

58:07 ↗ difficult reality and that is we do not

58:09 ↗ have money for General government and if

58:11 ↗ we go to the residents of isqua and ask

58:13 ↗ for money we're not going to get it at

58:15 ↗ least where we currently sit and so

58:17 ↗ that's really hard uh for us it's really

58:20 ↗ hard for any Community we we are going

58:22 ↗ to be among the first that are basically

58:24 ↗ saying um you know there are other

58:26 ↗ Municipal functions that are a higher

58:28 ↗ priority and making sure we have a

58:30 ↗ stable and effective police department

58:32 ↗ and a stable and effective fire service

58:35 ↗ uh trumps the ability for us to have

58:38 ↗ nice offices for people like me Autumn

58:41 ↗ and Andrea uh to sit and talk look at

58:44 ↗ computer screens um wish that wasn't the

58:47 ↗ case we really really do um and so we

58:51 ↗ want to make it clear that there is no

58:53 ↗ you know you know other plans stuck in a

58:56 ↗ drawer somewhere that's going to be

58:57 ↗ whipped out with this wonderful

58:59 ↗ beautiful new city hall um there just

59:02 ↗ isn't because there is no money and

59:04 ↗ there is no in our estimation uh voter

59:07 ↗ appetite to provide money for that but

59:10 ↗ as as Autumn has mentioned uh we will

59:12 ↗ have that site we as proposed the the

59:15 ↗ existing fire station site um for some

59:17 ↗ point later in the future but you know

59:20 ↗ to put General government in leas space

59:22 ↗ we've looked around to see what other

59:23 ↗ examples uh there are the region there

59:26 ↗ aren't very many quite honestly because

59:28 ↗ it's just not something you do but we

59:30 ↗ are in such a critical stage uh with the

59:33 ↗ police department with the facilities

59:35 ↗ that they have um you know the request

59:37 ↗ from Eastside fire and rescue to move

59:39 ↗ forward with uh different facilities for

59:41 ↗ them you know we're at this point we

59:43 ↗ really don't have a choice and as Autumn

59:44 ↗ has said um we don't feel comfortable

59:47 ↗ spinning around anymore that we really

59:49 ↗ need to move forward uh but with that is

59:51 ↗ the unfortunate uh conclusion uh the

59:54 ↗ general government is at the the bottom

59:56 ↗ of the list and uh we'll have to deal

59:58 ↗ with it at some later

1:00:02 ↗ Point thank you um sorry that was kind

1:00:05 ↗ of a follow-up question but my real

1:00:07 ↗ question real final question is this um

1:00:10 ↗ and maybe it's for the deput city

1:00:12 ↗ administrator I'm just curious how let's

1:00:14 ↗ say we do move forward with a bond we

1:00:17 ↗ want to put something on the ballot how

1:00:18 ↗ might this impact our future

1:00:20 ↗ consideration of a Park District kind of

1:00:22 ↗ the kind of ongoing conversations that

1:00:24 ↗ we have out of the old capital Finance

1:00:26 ↗ Community course yes thank you for that

1:00:29 ↗ question uh so we have been talking to

1:00:33 ↗ council about potential for a Parks

1:00:35 ↗ District that was always meant to be in

1:00:37 ↗ a little bit of a longer term time frame

1:00:40 ↗ that's what the Capital Finance

1:00:41 ↗ Community task force had recommended and

1:00:43 ↗ subsequent conversations with Council um

1:00:46 ↗ about that as well and so um in terms of

1:00:51 ↗ it really has to deal with voter

1:00:52 ↗ aptitude and what the voters would

1:00:54 ↗ support and so

1:00:56 ↗ um we would need to address that then

1:00:58 ↗ but a a ballot measure Now does not um

1:01:02 ↗ necessarily prevent us from going back

1:01:04 ↗ to the voters at a future

1:01:11 ↗ date I'm going to jump on because my

1:01:14 ↗ question is very similar on that

1:01:17 ↗ um if we're looking at a 30-year bond to

1:01:21 ↗ pay for fire station

1:01:24 ↗ 71 and don't really have a plan right

1:01:27 ↗ now for a new city hall is their concern

1:01:32 ↗ that we wouldn't be able to go back to

1:01:34 ↗ voters within a 30-year period to borrow

1:01:38 ↗ for a city hall no there's no concern so

1:01:43 ↗ so cities typically isqua included we

1:01:46 ↗ can take on different different types of

1:01:48 ↗ debt within within that uh time frame so

1:01:51 ↗ it's not just that this is our one bond

1:01:53 ↗ for 30 years and we're not doing any

1:01:54 ↗ other types of financing

1:01:56 ↗ um we we would be able to take on

1:01:59 ↗ additional debt as long as we identify

1:02:01 ↗ how we're going to pay for

1:02:05 ↗ it toward that idea could we get a

1:02:09 ↗ history of when our property taxes

1:02:14 ↗ increased because of voter approved

1:02:17 ↗ items so that we can get a sense of how

1:02:21 ↗ we have regularly done that yes and we

1:02:24 ↗ can look into the future as well

1:02:26 ↗ so we can come back with that

1:02:28 ↗ information

1:02:30 ↗ okay council member Mark oh uh council

1:02:33 ↗ member Deputy council president Deon sh

1:02:35 ↗ you had a well one quick question and

1:02:38 ↗ then uh um going back to the the that

1:02:43 ↗ discussion um I what are we thinking

1:02:46 ↗ about in terms of where Human Services

1:02:48 ↗ would would land um in this overall uh

1:02:52 ↗ planning that we're doing and um and

1:02:55 ↗ then the other

1:02:56 ↗ is really

1:03:00 ↗ um I guess do we have a plan a plan B

1:03:03 ↗ and plan C or if plan a is that plan A

1:03:07 ↗ would be we're going to for an interim

1:03:10 ↗ period uh lease uh a place for

1:03:13 ↗ administrative offices and so forth but

1:03:16 ↗ the long range plan would be to to find

1:03:19 ↗ a place to build a city hall Plan B

1:03:22 ↗ would

1:03:23 ↗ be what you know do we have alternative

1:03:27 ↗ future lines that we're looking at

1:03:30 ↗ because we could uh lease uh a place and

1:03:35 ↗ then not be able to pass a bond and and

1:03:38 ↗ maybe we're stuck in least offices for

1:03:42 ↗ 20 years instead of seven or eight you

1:03:44 ↗ see what I'm saying is what is the I

1:03:47 ↗ guess what are the paths forward that

1:03:49 ↗ we're trying to lay out

1:03:52 ↗ here Autumn did you want to try to take

1:03:54 ↗ a stab at that

1:03:56 ↗ I'll try in then Autumn can can uh these

1:03:59 ↗ are all very difficult questions um

1:04:03 ↗ building a new city hall in the in any

1:04:05 ↗ sort of reasonable time frames nod in

1:04:07 ↗ the picture because we will not be able

1:04:08 ↗ to raise the dollarss to do that um

1:04:11 ↗ might there be an opportunity to

1:04:12 ↗ purchase other space or a portion of a

1:04:15 ↗ building at some later Point perhaps and

1:04:17 ↗ if that comes along we would you know be

1:04:20 ↗ be as aggressive as we can uh as I've

1:04:23 ↗ mentioned it's not a normal thing for

1:04:25 ↗ cities to lease we're here forever um we

1:04:28 ↗ should own the space that we're in so

1:04:30 ↗ there's various options I think given

1:04:33 ↗ the real estate environment in isqua

1:04:35 ↗ where we may be able to buy and so we

1:04:37 ↗ will continue uh to look at that uh but

1:04:41 ↗ uh again the main priority here is the

1:04:43 ↗ police department we have to get General

1:04:46 ↗ government out of the building in order

1:04:47 ↗ for the building to be um renovated and

1:04:51 ↗ the police department to have specific

1:04:53 ↗ space uh the Peril that we face

1:04:56 ↗ uh not having a sufficient space for our

1:04:58 ↗ police department is very significant uh

1:05:01 ↗ it is a difficult difficult Marketplace

1:05:03 ↗ and probably will be for some time for

1:05:05 ↗ police officers um people want to know

1:05:09 ↗ that they're coming and have proper

1:05:10 ↗ facilities because our neighbor

1:05:12 ↗ communities have them and you combine

1:05:14 ↗ that with $40,000 signing bonuses and

1:05:17 ↗ everyone having a a car a city car to

1:05:19 ↗ take home everyone having a city car to

1:05:21 ↗ take home um the costs associated with

1:05:24 ↗ this are very very high so if we do not

1:05:27 ↗ have a place that people feel police

1:05:29 ↗ officers other police Staff feel that

1:05:32 ↗ safe and appropriate that's going to

1:05:34 ↗ have a real detrimental impact so that's

1:05:36 ↗ Priority One right now um and finding

1:05:40 ↗ whatever reasonable economical space we

1:05:42 ↗ can for General government in order to

1:05:44 ↗ move forward with

1:05:49 ↗ that and Human Services what's the

1:05:51 ↗ thinking there yes so for Human Services

1:05:54 ↗ uh it really depends on where we find

1:05:56 ↗ the lease space and how much we have and

1:05:58 ↗ so I I've been um in contact with human

1:06:02 ↗ services um and and it's really just a

1:06:04 ↗ wait and see as far as the location we

1:06:06 ↗ find so if it's not something that's

1:06:08 ↗ suitable if we find another spot and

1:06:10 ↗ it's not suitable for Human Services

1:06:11 ↗ needs we have other facilities here in

1:06:13 ↗ Oldtown um so it's not a ton of of

1:06:16 ↗ office space that's needed so I you

1:06:18 ↗ they're definitely on our list as far as

1:06:20 ↗ one that we would figure out kind of

1:06:21 ↗ similar to council chambers once we kind

1:06:23 ↗ of know what is available for lease spas

1:06:25 ↗ um but they're definitely on our list

1:06:27 ↗ and Parks Administration

1:06:31 ↗ yeah council member

1:06:34 ↗ Merz so if the if the proximate thing

1:06:38 ↗ that is forcing us to do something now

1:06:41 ↗ is the police station uh or the

1:06:44 ↗ facilities available to our Police

1:06:46 ↗ Department I would like to see the

1:06:48 ↗ numbers I'd like to see how our uh

1:06:51 ↗ police facility compares to Kirkland and

1:06:53 ↗ Redmond and belue and samam terms of

1:06:56 ↗ staff and square footage and

1:06:58 ↗ understanding uh how we compare if

1:07:01 ↗ that's the if that's the trigger that's

1:07:03 ↗ forcing us to do something that is

1:07:05 ↗ potentially financially uh extremely

1:07:07 ↗ disadvantageous I need to understand

1:07:09 ↗ those numbers better thank

1:07:14 ↗ you um I'm gonna step in here uh since

1:07:19 ↗ as you pointed out our general

1:07:21 ↗ government financing is very limited and

1:07:24 ↗ all of that

1:07:26 ↗ uh would it make sense or could we

1:07:29 ↗ include Public Safety operations costs

1:07:34 ↗ along with Public Safety capital in a

1:07:37 ↗ bond um could we utilize that to expand

1:07:41 ↗ our police Staffing to a certain FTE to

1:07:45 ↗ resident Ratio or something

1:07:48 ↗ similar so um bonds are used for capital

1:07:52 ↗ projects they cannot be used for really

1:07:54 ↗ ongoing

1:07:56 ↗ uh operational costs Levy lid lifts are

1:07:59 ↗ much more tailored for ongoing

1:08:01 ↗ operational costs to support those but

1:08:03 ↗ not um great for paying off debt Service

1:08:06 ↗ as we've discussed so um as we think

1:08:09 ↗ about how we want to move forward uh

1:08:12 ↗ just know that really one tool is

1:08:14 ↗ appropriate to one type of expense and

1:08:17 ↗ another tool is more appropriate towards

1:08:18 ↗ another type of

1:08:21 ↗ expense for that idea one of the

1:08:24 ↗ questions I asked over email is it does

1:08:26 ↗ look like two of our neighboring cities

1:08:30 ↗ in Bellevue and Mercer Island did Levy

1:08:33 ↗ lid lifts to build fire stations in the

1:08:37 ↗ last 15 years so is there an explanation

1:08:41 ↗ for that or an understanding why they

1:08:44 ↗ were able to do something that our staff

1:08:46 ↗ is proposing doesn't fit so I'm I'm not

1:08:51 ↗ familiar with the particular financing

1:08:53 ↗ plan for the bellw and Mercer Island

1:08:55 ↗ Island stations we'd have to look at

1:08:57 ↗ what those costs were how other maybe

1:09:00 ↗ the levy lid lift was only a part of

1:09:02 ↗ funding of those facilities they could

1:09:04 ↗ have had other um cash on hand or or

1:09:08 ↗ government mitigation funds or other

1:09:10 ↗ things um it's also possible that they

1:09:13 ↗ could have

1:09:15 ↗ um used you know General funds to

1:09:18 ↗ supplement uh and pay for the rest of

1:09:20 ↗ the debt service I'm also going to

1:09:22 ↗ estimate that a fire station built in

1:09:25 ↗ 2012 was considerably cheaper than one

1:09:28 ↗ built to our modern standards so um so

1:09:32 ↗ we'd have to look into the specifics of

1:09:34 ↗ Mercer Island and and Bellevue uh but

1:09:37 ↗ you know what we're putting forward

1:09:39 ↗ today our proposal is what the

1:09:40 ↗ administration feels is really the best

1:09:42 ↗ suited tool for our

1:09:44 ↗ needs consider that a request for

1:09:48 ↗ information fantastic uh council member

1:09:52 ↗ Marts uh so historically we've carried

1:09:56 ↗ uh quite a bit more Council manic debt

1:09:58 ↗ than we're currently carrying uh are we

1:10:00 ↗ looking at are we considering the

1:10:02 ↗ council manic uh Bond

1:10:06 ↗ option uh that's that's not part of what

1:10:09 ↗ the administration is proposing because

1:10:11 ↗ even with a council manic Bond we need

1:10:13 ↗ to be able to identify Revenue in order

1:10:15 ↗ to pay for those bonds and so with a

1:10:18 ↗ Debt Service estimated at about $3

1:10:19 ↗ million annually uh if we were to do a

1:10:22 ↗ council manic bond without raising tax

1:10:25 ↗ tax es or revenues in other ways then um

1:10:27 ↗ that would require 3 million plus uh

1:10:31 ↗ cuts to our existing budget in order to

1:10:33 ↗ pay for that Debt Service we've heard

1:10:35 ↗ from Council at the February Council

1:10:37 ↗ Retreat that we should be considering a

1:10:39 ↗ new property tax instead of um trying to

1:10:43 ↗ cover these the new The Debt Service

1:10:46 ↗ with existing

1:10:48 ↗ revenues okay but if the statement is we

1:10:52 ↗ don't have access to any money I

1:10:54 ↗ understand that we have that we would

1:10:56 ↗ incur debt but I I if you were to look

1:10:59 ↗ at the amount of councilmanic debt that

1:11:01 ↗ we've carried historically we are at a

1:11:03 ↗ we are at a incredibly low level

1:11:05 ↗ currently we were able to carry Council

1:11:07 ↗ manag debt when I started on Council we

1:11:10 ↗ we we had a much higher councilmanic

1:11:12 ↗ debt than we do currently so it's not

1:11:15 ↗ obvious to me that there aren't some

1:11:17 ↗ options here that involve

1:11:21 ↗ coun yes we can take on more

1:11:23 ↗ councilmanic debt the the difficult is

1:11:25 ↗ how we would then pay for that debt on

1:11:27 ↗ an annual basis and so we' we'd be

1:11:30 ↗ required to make cuts to the budget

1:11:32 ↗ elsewhere um we've done it in the past

1:11:34 ↗ sure I mean just if the statement is we

1:11:36 ↗ don't have access to money we do it's

1:11:38 ↗ just that it's got to be traded against

1:11:41 ↗ other things but the idea of paying

1:11:43 ↗ lease payments on city property should

1:11:47 ↗ be traded against the financial

1:11:49 ↗ implications of using account debt

1:11:51 ↗ because neither is a great option but

1:11:52 ↗ it's not obvious to me that uh

1:11:55 ↗ you know leasing facilities is a better

1:11:59 ↗ option and we're looking for direction

1:12:02 ↗ through these discussions because as we

1:12:04 ↗ look at the operating budget for 25 26

1:12:07 ↗ if the council is looking in that

1:12:09 ↗ direction the council Matic debt is the

1:12:10 ↗ way you'd like to go and we need to make

1:12:12 ↗ reductions in operations then now is the

1:12:16 ↗ time we would like that feedback because

1:12:18 ↗ as we're working now on 25 26 we need to

1:12:21 ↗ start identifying what will reduce and

1:12:24 ↗ the increase cost we already know will

1:12:26 ↗ be proposing to the council and Public

1:12:28 ↗ Safety uh justice um is going to be

1:12:31 ↗ significant so um it could be a very

1:12:34 ↗ difficult operating budget for us 25

1:12:40 ↗ 26 this is just all sunshines and roses

1:12:44 ↗ and everything okay I'm feeling like

1:12:47 ↗ we're maybe lowering down on our

1:12:49 ↗ questions are we ready to switch over to

1:12:52 ↗ get public comment and then do Fe back

1:12:56 ↗ rounds okay

1:12:59 ↗ fantastic um fisha is anybody including

1:13:04 ↗ Connie

1:13:05 ↗ online no um no one's online with us

1:13:08 ↗ anymore uh Connie did send a chat

1:13:10 ↗ message before dropping off uh saying

1:13:13 ↗ her input was the need to understand why

1:13:16 ↗ the placement of the fire station has

1:13:17 ↗ been able to be

1:13:19 ↗ moved okay no one is with us virtually

1:13:22 ↗ other than City staff well I think uh

1:13:25 ↗ Council had that same question many

1:13:28 ↗ times over so we have certainly uh

1:13:30 ↗ talked about that okay um Can yep so

1:13:35 ↗ we've got three questions of Direction

1:13:38 ↗ needed you want to talk those over or

1:13:40 ↗ should I just read the

1:13:43 ↗ slide if you'd like me to read them I

1:13:45 ↗ can go for it great uh three questions

1:13:48 ↗ the first should the administration

1:13:50 ↗ Focus further research on a phased

1:13:52 ↗ approach the Oldtown Municipal campus as

1:13:55 ↗ we discussed does the council agree with

1:13:58 ↗ the administration proposal to use

1:14:00 ↗ current resources for leasing office and

1:14:03 ↗ Court space and finally should the

1:14:06 ↗ administration proceed with planning for

1:14:08 ↗ a ballot measure for a public safety

1:14:10 ↗ facilities Bond vote and start creating

1:14:13 ↗ a community engagement plan for your

1:14:19 ↗ review

1:14:22 ↗ okay I don't know if our feedback is

1:14:25 ↗ limited to those three questions I think

1:14:27 ↗ I heard a lot more than that so rather

1:14:31 ↗ than going through one at a time I'm

1:14:33 ↗ just going to kind of open it up because

1:14:36 ↗ this is a big old pile of wh ifs and

1:14:41 ↗ we've already pointed out in several

1:14:43 ↗ questions well maybe this versus that

1:14:46 ↗ isn't the way that we're thinking about

1:14:48 ↗ it so who wants to be brave and go first

1:14:55 ↗ okay you've got a question go ahead I

1:14:58 ↗ have a question about these uh Direction

1:15:00 ↗ needed

1:15:01 ↗ questions um so the second question has

1:15:04 ↗ to do with the current resources for

1:15:06 ↗ leasing office and Court space and my

1:15:09 ↗ question has to do with that it seems to

1:15:12 ↗ me like that question about needing the

1:15:16 ↗ the resources releasing office and Court

1:15:17 ↗ space comes into play if we are planning

1:15:20 ↗ on renovating the current city hall

1:15:23 ↗ building to make it all for Police use

1:15:25 ↗ and then this building where we are

1:15:27 ↗ right now for the uh fire

1:15:31 ↗ station um so is there it seems like the

1:15:34 ↗ second question is contingent on the

1:15:36 ↗ third the bond or or is it such that you

1:15:40 ↗ need to start planning for the movement

1:15:42 ↗ of

1:15:44 ↗ Municipal Courts now we believe our our

1:15:47 ↗ needs for a new Municipal Court space

1:15:51 ↗ that meets modern standards um are

1:15:55 ↗ Urgent and so regardless of where we put

1:15:57 ↗ the fire station um we really feel like

1:16:00 ↗ we need to provide for a new Municipal

1:16:02 ↗ Court offices and facility in addition

1:16:05 ↗ to the um ipd Renovations as well we

1:16:08 ↗ believe these are Urgent uh needs of the

1:16:11 ↗ city and so they're not dependent on

1:16:13 ↗ where we put the fire

1:16:15 ↗ station does that answer your

1:16:18 ↗ question

1:16:20 ↗ um it I suppose it does but I think

1:16:25 ↗ say say we said okay we agree to lease

1:16:29 ↗ space for office in court but we don't

1:16:32 ↗ want to proceed with the ballot measure

1:16:34 ↗ then I think then I think we would

1:16:36 ↗ continue to use this for the court isn't

1:16:37 ↗ that correct and we're saying we believe

1:16:40 ↗ we need a new court facility regardless

1:16:42 ↗ of of the fire station um that's in

1:16:45 ↗ terms of of how we're serving uh our our

1:16:51 ↗ customers in court um how we are

1:16:53 ↗ providing for the saf of those that use

1:16:55 ↗ our court facilities all of these things

1:16:58 ↗ we feel are inadequately addressed in

1:17:00 ↗ our current Court facility and we really

1:17:02 ↗ do feel like there's a strong and urgent

1:17:05 ↗ need for us to move into a space that's

1:17:07 ↗ better suited uh to house a modern Court

1:17:11 ↗ okay thank

1:17:15 ↗ you go ahead with more questions folks

1:17:18 ↗ oh I I am sorry but uh that one kind of

1:17:21 ↗ sparked something because it's really

1:17:23 ↗ about

1:17:25 ↗ prioritization in some way the question

1:17:27 ↗ really is you talked about courts courts

1:17:30 ↗ is is an urgent need c administrator

1:17:33 ↗ talked about police police is an urgent

1:17:35 ↗ need so how urgent and I don't want to

1:17:37 ↗ say how on fire is the fire department

1:17:39 ↗ but how urgent is the need for for doing

1:17:42 ↗ something with the fire department I

1:17:44 ↗ mean do we have some latitude um with

1:17:48 ↗ that I'm wondering if Chief Lane can

1:17:51 ↗ come back on and help answer that

1:17:53 ↗ question I know that we've we've been

1:17:55 ↗ talking with Eastside fire and rescue

1:17:57 ↗ for many years about the need for a new

1:18:00 ↗ uh a new fire station facility so

1:18:02 ↗ hopefully he can uh help address that

1:18:06 ↗ question yeah I'm happy too um there

1:18:09 ↗ there are some significant challenges

1:18:11 ↗ with the current station um they're

1:18:13 ↗ outside of what we call Healthy in

1:18:15 ↗ healthy out standards where we work hard

1:18:18 ↗ to provide a very safe work environment

1:18:20 ↗ for our responders so the current

1:18:22 ↗ station 71 does not have a

1:18:25 ↗ a positive pressure living space where

1:18:28 ↗ we can have an air lock between the

1:18:29 ↗ apparatus Bay and the crew quarters to

1:18:32 ↗ keep um carcinogens such as diesel

1:18:35 ↗ exhaust um separate from the crew quars

1:18:38 ↗ there currently is not a fitness

1:18:41 ↗ facility large enough and inside this

1:18:44 ↗ fire station so some of their PT is is

1:18:46 ↗ done right alongside uh the apparatus

1:18:49 ↗ and where it's parked the bunker gear

1:18:51 ↗ storage we do not have adequate bunker

1:18:53 ↗ gear storage where it's in a separate um

1:18:56 ↗ UV protected uh closet space with proper

1:19:00 ↗ ventilation the building itself is um

1:19:03 ↗ doesn't meet seismic

1:19:05 ↗ standards um as far as the dormitories

1:19:08 ↗ or the dorms and the

1:19:11 ↗ um the actual washroom facilities um

1:19:15 ↗ there's definitely some upgrades that

1:19:16 ↗ are needed there having worked at that

1:19:18 ↗ station um that station has been

1:19:20 ↗ converted Time After Time After Time um

1:19:23 ↗ we've converted it from

1:19:25 ↗ an open Office Space we've done our our

1:19:27 ↗ best in our due diligence to do what we

1:19:30 ↗ can but we I think we've sort of reached

1:19:33 ↗ critical mass with that specific

1:19:34 ↗ facility um this has been and no doubt

1:19:37 ↗ it's been an ongoing long-standing

1:19:39 ↗ conversation but I really do think we're

1:19:42 ↗ at this uh a critical point where um

1:19:44 ↗ there are significant upgrades that are

1:19:47 ↗ needed the city was kind of enough to

1:19:48 ↗ make an investment a few years ago um to

1:19:52 ↗ do some Creature Comforts but at this

1:19:55 ↗ point and we're almost um beyond the

1:19:57 ↗ service life of those as well so um I

1:20:00 ↗ don't have the overall final answer but

1:20:02 ↗ we are definitely in need of upgrading

1:20:04 ↗ and a replacement of the current fire

1:20:06 ↗ station 71 thanks that was real helpful

1:20:09 ↗ thanks

1:20:11 ↗ Ben okay so again I'm looking for anyone

1:20:15 ↗ who is willing to be brave and go first

1:20:18 ↗ on their feedback for this

1:20:22 ↗ massive set of decisions

1:20:25 ↗ uh that we are being asked for council

1:20:29 ↗ member Joe you win the gold star tonight

1:20:31 ↗ thank you thank you council president um

1:20:35 ↗ question number one should the

1:20:36 ↗ administration further Focus research on

1:20:38 ↗ a phased approach um I think that's the

1:20:41 ↗ best way that we can go forward I agree

1:20:44 ↗ with uh council member Ray that the the

1:20:47 ↗ comparison that we had there um really

1:20:51 ↗ kind of painted Us in the corner a

1:20:52 ↗ little bit and kind of left us with no

1:20:54 ↗ real Choice going forward but is the but

1:20:56 ↗ it is a responsible choice to go forward

1:20:58 ↗ because our police need that extra space

1:21:01 ↗ and once you start moving one piece as

1:21:04 ↗ uh Autumn Monahan pointed out it's a

1:21:06 ↗ chessboard where the other ones uh need

1:21:08 ↗ to follow at least in a rational thought

1:21:10 ↗ out uh you know kind of process so um if

1:21:15 ↗ you move uh forward with that Oldtown

1:21:19 ↗ plan then um I think that it does make

1:21:23 ↗ sense that the police are going to move

1:21:24 ↗ over

1:21:25 ↗ to the second floor of the city hall

1:21:27 ↗ building and then we have to find space

1:21:30 ↗ for the administration in court um many

1:21:34 ↗ of you may know that I was part of the

1:21:36 ↗ council when we put this court together

1:21:38 ↗ in 2006 and 2007 and had the vote to uh

1:21:44 ↗ go ahead and break away from our

1:21:46 ↗ partners in the district court system um

1:21:49 ↗ at the time we were only uh handling our

1:21:53 ↗ cases our isqua cases and it was not a

1:21:58 ↗ huge lift but it was enough of a lift

1:21:59 ↗ for us to kind of get our feet under us

1:22:02 ↗ now we have partners with Duval

1:22:05 ↗ Carnation snow kwami other partners that

1:22:08 ↗ bring their cases to us as well um it's

1:22:12 ↗ a source of revenue for us it's also a

1:22:14 ↗ source of building better uh Community

1:22:17 ↗ between uh the partners on this uh in

1:22:20 ↗ this area we have grown up and we we

1:22:23 ↗ have a little we have grown out of

1:22:25 ↗ this space as many of you know I I was

1:22:27 ↗ also had the pleasure of being on the

1:22:30 ↗ bench here as a protm judge and uh there

1:22:34 ↗ were times when the court was going just

1:22:36 ↗ fine but but the uh Prisoners the people

1:22:40 ↗ who were currently um in court did need

1:22:43 ↗ to be brought over and there were times

1:22:45 ↗ when we would need to to wait for them

1:22:47 ↗ or um because of the limited space and

1:22:52 ↗ safety we couldn't bring over all the

1:22:55 ↗ people all the time some people had they

1:22:57 ↗ had to be broken up into groups um so

1:22:59 ↗ having a holding cell uh from my point

1:23:02 ↗ of view as as a person that's been on

1:23:04 ↗ the bench is a very important safety

1:23:07 ↗ element that that we didn't need as much

1:23:10 ↗ when we first put this court together in

1:23:12 ↗ 2006 2007 um along the way so I I

1:23:16 ↗ believe that it's important for us to go

1:23:18 ↗ ahead and move over the mo move over to

1:23:21 ↗ the district court for the court space

1:23:23 ↗ uh I've been in the holding cell as an

1:23:25 ↗ attorney um helping my clients out um

1:23:30 ↗ and it's it's a it's a great space to to

1:23:34 ↗ uh to uh have conferences when there's

1:23:37 ↗ only one prisoner in there uh all the

1:23:40 ↗ other resources there for the court for

1:23:42 ↗ us I think we should capitalize on those

1:23:43 ↗ resources until we can find a place and

1:23:46 ↗ an office space for our court again um

1:23:51 ↗ obviously we need to move the

1:23:53 ↗ administration out so that police can

1:23:55 ↗ expand um and U so question number two

1:23:58 ↗ is a yes for me um uh the last question

1:24:03 ↗ I would like a little more

1:24:07 ↗ um research done on Council medic bonds

1:24:11 ↗ so that we at least have all of the uh

1:24:15 ↗ options in front of us so that we can

1:24:17 ↗ determine which type of package we want

1:24:20 ↗ to give to our citizens for

1:24:22 ↗ consideration and uh find out the plus

1:24:25 ↗ and minuses of each one of those along

1:24:27 ↗ the way but I think that we should go

1:24:29 ↗ forward with at least researching the

1:24:32 ↗ bond or the levy lift or the other

1:24:35 ↗ financing that could make this entire

1:24:37 ↗ plan possible um we're moving in small

1:24:40 ↗ steps it's going to be a big process um

1:24:43 ↗ but this gives us this plan as as I've

1:24:48 ↗ agreed to tonight I think gives us a

1:24:50 ↗ good start and meets our current needs

1:24:53 ↗ for the police and the court right away

1:24:56 ↗ um along the way and then we can uh get

1:24:59 ↗ our Police Department to a place where

1:25:01 ↗ we're competitive with our partners and

1:25:04 ↗ competitors and the bigger cities as

1:25:07 ↗ we're trying to attract uh good police

1:25:09 ↗ officers uh to isqua so how's that folks

1:25:13 ↗ is that all right all right you covered

1:25:15 ↗ all the bases and you started out so you

1:25:18 ↗ still get a gold star uh council member

1:25:22 ↗ Marts thanks

1:25:26 ↗ there I hate to say this there's not a

1:25:28 ↗ lot of this that makes a lot of sense to

1:25:30 ↗ me the problem to me is

1:25:34 ↗ the urgency that requires us to consider

1:25:38 ↗ Leasing Property and I don't feel so

1:25:42 ↗ extraordinary uh Carl San said

1:25:44 ↗ extraordinary claims require

1:25:46 ↗ extraordinary evidence I don't believe

1:25:48 ↗ it's been proven that we urgently need a

1:25:50 ↗ new court facility I don't believe it's

1:25:52 ↗ been proven that we urgent need to

1:25:54 ↗ expand our police facility versus more

1:25:58 ↗ officers paid better we haven't proven

1:26:01 ↗ that we urgently need a new fire

1:26:03 ↗ station I'd like to know how our fellow

1:26:05 ↗ municipalities have done this on the

1:26:07 ↗ east side KK Redmond built a

1:26:11 ↗ unbelievable campus not too long ago and

1:26:14 ↗ I realize we're not Redmond um and the

1:26:17 ↗ economy is different now but all this

1:26:19 ↗ has an emergency feel to it that I don't

1:26:23 ↗ believe has yet been shown to my

1:26:25 ↗ satisfaction that we are in an emergency

1:26:28 ↗ uh it's a terrible financial situation

1:26:30 ↗ to be Leasing Property as a municipality

1:26:33 ↗ and so this urgency just I don't feel it

1:26:36 ↗ in my bones yet um I think so I'm

1:26:40 ↗ completely opposed to doing a first

1:26:43 ↗ phase without knowing what the eventual

1:26:46 ↗ City Hall might possibly potentially

1:26:49 ↗ look like I think it would be um very

1:26:52 ↗ bad for the residents of our city uh for

1:26:55 ↗ us it feels to me like taking off in a

1:26:57 ↗ plane that's partially finished and

1:26:59 ↗ trusting that we finish the plane while

1:27:01 ↗ it's in Flight um so if we were saying

1:27:04 ↗ here's our plan and it's challenging and

1:27:06 ↗ it's going to take a bunch of money but

1:27:08 ↗ here's what we get in the end I think

1:27:10 ↗ that I'd feel better I could I could

1:27:13 ↗ face voters uh and say I understand

1:27:15 ↗ where we're headed um but I just this

1:27:19 ↗ thing where all of a sudden we're an

1:27:20 ↗ emergency footing and have to make

1:27:22 ↗ really disadvantageous Financial

1:27:24 ↗ decisions I I don't yet feel it so I'm

1:27:26 ↗ opposed to it thank

1:27:30 ↗ you okay uh Deputy council president D

1:27:35 ↗ Michelle yeah thanks um I uh I must say

1:27:38 ↗ that I agree uh very much with council

1:27:41 ↗ member Marts

1:27:44 ↗ um we've been having this discussion for

1:27:46 ↗ a while we know what the need is but I

1:27:49 ↗ don't think I don't feel like we've made

1:27:52 ↗ the case and I think if we're to go out

1:27:55 ↗ uh to the uh voters uh for a ballot

1:27:58 ↗ measure you have to make the case that

1:28:01 ↗ you have an urgent need uh for uh police

1:28:05 ↗ for fire uh and for a new municipal

1:28:08 ↗ court and I I just don't feel like we

1:28:11 ↗ have done that um and I think there are

1:28:14 ↗ still so many questions out there and

1:28:16 ↗ and a lot of research that uh needs to

1:28:19 ↗ be done we've identified some of it

1:28:21 ↗ tonight and perhaps we need to have a

1:28:24 ↗ follow-up discussion to even go deeper

1:28:27 ↗ so um one of my concerns is that uh as

1:28:32 ↗ council member Mart said we're going to

1:28:34 ↗ we're going to I I'll characterize this

1:28:36 ↗ we're doing a peace meal we're going to

1:28:39 ↗ uh do a fire station here you know that

1:28:42 ↗ locks us into well we're not going to

1:28:44 ↗ have a city hall here then well where is

1:28:46 ↗ the city hall going to be uh and uh as I

1:28:49 ↗ was alluding earlier what is our what

1:28:51 ↗ are our fallback plans in case

1:28:54 ↗ um uh we can't pass a a safety Bond even

1:28:59 ↗ uh uh council member Hall brought up the

1:29:01 ↗ parks you know things that we want to do

1:29:03 ↗ with the parks and I'm just feeling like

1:29:05 ↗ I just don't have my arms around all of

1:29:09 ↗ the decisions and all the possible

1:29:11 ↗ outcomes that could be uh uh that would

1:29:14 ↗ logically follow uh as council member

1:29:17 ↗ Joe said as that would logically follow

1:29:19 ↗ from this decision leading to this

1:29:21 ↗ decision leading to this decision I I

1:29:23 ↗ just

1:29:24 ↗ um I just am not feeling that we are

1:29:27 ↗ prepared yet so the the answer to Bullet

1:29:30 ↗ number three would be for me would be we

1:29:32 ↗ are not anywhere close to being ready to

1:29:35 ↗ uh plan for a ballot measure uh or for

1:29:38 ↗ public engagement because I don't think

1:29:40 ↗ we have yet made the case that we take

1:29:43 ↗ out to the public and say to them here's

1:29:46 ↗ 1 two 3 four five reasons why we need a

1:29:49 ↗ new fire station here's you know here

1:29:51 ↗ are all the reasons we need a new m

1:29:54 ↗ Municipal Court this is why we're making

1:29:56 ↗ these decisions um and we hope that you

1:29:59 ↗ will support us um in going forward um

1:30:04 ↗ right now going out to the public and

1:30:05 ↗ talking to people I think there are just

1:30:07 ↗ too many questions that we wouldn't be

1:30:09 ↗ able to

1:30:11 ↗ answer

1:30:12 ↗ thanks um so I've gotten a message that

1:30:15 ↗ Chief Schwan has a comment I really

1:30:18 ↗ appreciate that Chief I'm going to

1:30:20 ↗ continue on with Council just to make

1:30:23 ↗ sure that we hear from all of the

1:30:25 ↗ council members I assume we're proposing

1:30:28 ↗ a lot of questions here and there's

1:30:29 ↗ going to be a lot of comments from staff

1:30:31 ↗ so I'm just going to letting you know

1:30:33 ↗ I'm going to wait on that for a moment

1:30:36 ↗ um council member Ray then uh council

1:30:38 ↗ member Hall then council member

1:30:41 ↗ Ray I appreciate that but I'm G to come

1:30:44 ↗ to everybody yep all right perfect uh

1:30:48 ↗ thank you

1:30:50 ↗ um I don't know I feel the exact OPP it

1:30:54 ↗ of the last couple of things I actually

1:30:55 ↗ feel very good with where we're at here

1:30:58 ↗ number one thank you for all the

1:30:59 ↗ tremendous amount of effort that has

1:31:01 ↗ gone into this project in several ways

1:31:04 ↗ um over the last few years that can't be

1:31:06 ↗ understated the amount that's gone into

1:31:08 ↗ that um I think keeping the focus and

1:31:11 ↗ priority on Public Safety facilities is

1:31:13 ↗ the right one and a smart one based on

1:31:16 ↗ need um

1:31:19 ↗ and I think these are all questions that

1:31:22 ↗ we can do the data story storytelling on

1:31:25 ↗ um we know the firsthand accounts of the

1:31:27 ↗ challenges around these things we just

1:31:29 ↗ need to be able to quantify that and

1:31:30 ↗ come back to councel on it sounds like

1:31:32 ↗ that's something we could definitely do

1:31:34 ↗ um I do think for the first question

1:31:39 ↗ um yes continue with focusing further

1:31:43 ↗ research although I'm still very

1:31:45 ↗ interested in us keeping an eye out for

1:31:47 ↗ purchasing and renovating properties um

1:31:50 ↗ I think completing this vision of a

1:31:53 ↗ municipal camp in this area where we

1:31:55 ↗ have so many different connected

1:31:56 ↗ Services is super compelling um and

1:32:00 ↗ lovely but also costly very costly so

1:32:03 ↗ I'm als well actually if we'll have a

1:32:04 ↗ piece of free land maybe not as costly

1:32:06 ↗ but I'm very interested in in what might

1:32:09 ↗ come up in the coming years too so I

1:32:11 ↗ would just prefer that we have someone

1:32:13 ↗ continuing to look into that make me a

1:32:15 ↗ very happy council member um I do think

1:32:18 ↗ that leasing space is actually a smart

1:32:20 ↗ way going forward especially because

1:32:22 ↗ it's so cost effective compared compared

1:32:24 ↗ to um building new spaces or dealing

1:32:28 ↗ with whatever disadvantageous

1:32:30 ↗ consequences there might be of not

1:32:33 ↗ moving out of um the police station of

1:32:37 ↗ not building uh fire stations so there's

1:32:39 ↗ kind of thinking about it from both

1:32:41 ↗ sides there I think it makes sense to

1:32:43 ↗ move forward with leasing space for the

1:32:44 ↗ time being um I'm very interested in

1:32:46 ↗ opportunities that you're currently

1:32:48 ↗ pursuing um in that and I'm interested

1:32:50 ↗ in getting a kind of a clearer picture

1:32:52 ↗ of what that cost might be as we

1:32:53 ↗ continue continue to tease that out that

1:32:56 ↗ that said though um it does make me a

1:32:58 ↗ little uncomfortable going into

1:33:00 ↗ something knowing we'll have about

1:33:01 ↗ enough revenue or enough funding for 5

1:33:04 ↗ to 8 years but after that we're not sure

1:33:07 ↗ so I would like to kind of see through

1:33:09 ↗ at least from a general high level place

1:33:12 ↗ where might we look if we still need

1:33:16 ↗ funding for either leasing space if if

1:33:19 ↗ we decide that that's what we want to

1:33:20 ↗ continue to do or or what are the

1:33:23 ↗ different options for um even purchasing

1:33:26 ↗ a space um especially if we're in the

1:33:28 ↗ middle of a bond right now for fire and

1:33:32 ↗ police and an opportunity comes up to

1:33:34 ↗ purchase something um at what point

1:33:37 ↗ could we explore like another bond for

1:33:38 ↗ another thing and with that even be

1:33:40 ↗ reasonable given the property tax base

1:33:41 ↗ right now and how how many bonds people

1:33:44 ↗ are paying or about to pay here in the

1:33:45 ↗ isqua area um and then the last

1:33:50 ↗ question um yes I I mean I think we do

1:33:53 ↗ proceed with with kind of community

1:33:54 ↗ engagement I'm assuming Community

1:33:55 ↗ engagement is some sort of task force

1:33:57 ↗ Community task force um I think for me

1:34:02 ↗ the need is clear to have this Revenue

1:34:04 ↗ Source um it came up many years ago even

1:34:08 ↗ as the Capital Finance Community task

1:34:09 ↗ force was doing its work about the

1:34:11 ↗ urgent need in this space too we stayed

1:34:13 ↗ out of that space largely because uh the

1:34:16 ↗ group wanted to explore um where we

1:34:21 ↗ hadn't had as much investment in these

1:34:22 ↗ other spaces um in where we needed more

1:34:25 ↗ revenues but um to me the the need is

1:34:28 ↗ clear especially for Public Safety

1:34:30 ↗ facilities not just facilities um but

1:34:34 ↗ the timing again same thing with like I

1:34:36 ↗ said earlier the timing is a little

1:34:38 ↗ concerning to me thinking that there'll

1:34:40 ↗ probably be a school bond on the ballot

1:34:42 ↗ soon did the county just pass a did a

1:34:46 ↗ property tax just pass at the county

1:34:47 ↗ level too so I'm just worried about just

1:34:49 ↗ the effects of all this stacking up um

1:34:52 ↗ in the community support

1:34:54 ↗ um there um but uh at the same time I

1:34:57 ↗ also don't see an alternative to a voter

1:35:00 ↗ approved Bond it seems like we have to

1:35:03 ↗ be able to sh we have a revenue source

1:35:04 ↗ to actually pay for these so um oh two

1:35:07 ↗ other things I wanted to add both are

1:35:10 ↗ what Deputy council president D Michelle

1:35:12 ↗ said that I wanted to add on first was

1:35:14 ↗ the lots of neighborhood engagement for

1:35:17 ↗ um a new fire station here is is going

1:35:19 ↗ to be critical I liked your point on

1:35:21 ↗ that and then also having a plan

1:35:24 ↗ about what to do if we start to go down

1:35:26 ↗ this path and a bond were to fail and we

1:35:29 ↗ don't reach that 60% threshold what what

1:35:32 ↗ might we do at that point so those are

1:35:34 ↗ my thoughts I think in general I'm I'm

1:35:36 ↗ quite happy with where we're at I think

1:35:37 ↗ there's still some work to to go into

1:35:40 ↗ this but again thank you for everything

1:35:42 ↗ you You'

1:35:43 ↗ [Music]

1:35:45 ↗ done okay I think we're going to council

1:35:48 ↗ member Ray and then council member hunt

1:35:51 ↗ are you up okay in the than you all

1:35:55 ↗ right uh a couple things I'm not going

1:35:56 ↗ to go sequentially but I do want to talk

1:35:59 ↗ about phasing and I think phasing makes

1:36:01 ↗ sense matter of fact I think phasing is

1:36:02 ↗ the only way that we can do this um I

1:36:05 ↗ I'm sitting here thinking about a bunch

1:36:07 ↗ of dominoes that need to fall um and

1:36:10 ↗ there's some small wins that we can get

1:36:12 ↗ so I think the court move actually in

1:36:14 ↗ some ways if this is not going to be a

1:36:16 ↗ barrier for law enforcement with being

1:36:19 ↗ across town um you know leasing space in

1:36:23 ↗ the County facility makes a ton of sense

1:36:25 ↗ it's it's a court facility and this is

1:36:28 ↗ you know this is lovely but this is not

1:36:29 ↗ a court facility so um I I think that

1:36:32 ↗ that is the first Domino that we should

1:36:34 ↗ look to fall um I'm not opposed to

1:36:37 ↗ leasing um it creates um a necessary

1:36:41 ↗ buffer I mean because uh you know it is

1:36:44 ↗ the shuffling of uh the pieces you know

1:36:46 ↗ it's one of those slidy puzzles and

1:36:48 ↗ we've got to move things around um so

1:36:51 ↗ I'm not opposed to leasing but I only in

1:36:54 ↗ the with the caveat that there's a a

1:36:57 ↗ longer term plan in place that we know

1:36:59 ↗ where we're going and when we're going

1:37:01 ↗ um and then we get into the question

1:37:03 ↗ that uh uh council member Hall and

1:37:07 ↗ Deputy president D Michelle brought up

1:37:08 ↗ which is what if we start going down the

1:37:10 ↗ dominoes and then we don't get the

1:37:11 ↗ funding and I think the the the the

1:37:14 ↗ thing is we don't start moving unless we

1:37:16 ↗ get the funding and the funding is a

1:37:17 ↗ necessary precondition to doing uh

1:37:20 ↗ anything and if we fail at funding then

1:37:22 ↗ then we've got to take a big old step

1:37:24 ↗ back um I think that the fire station is

1:37:29 ↗ really in some ways represents one of

1:37:31 ↗ the biggest challenges has for at least

1:37:33 ↗ seven years as long as I've been around

1:37:35 ↗ um so that

1:37:37 ↗ one is going to be hard any way we slice

1:37:40 ↗ it um we have to have some contingency

1:37:43 ↗ plans in that you know what what do we

1:37:45 ↗ do if and and then I I'm I think this

1:37:49 ↗ was council member martz's point that

1:37:51 ↗ I'm kind of uh not super psyched about

1:37:55 ↗ knocking over the dominoes when I don't

1:37:57 ↗ know where City Hall is supposed to end

1:37:59 ↗ up so I I I have to have feel that we

1:38:01 ↗ have some if not concrete um here's what

1:38:05 ↗ the long-term plan for City Hall is

1:38:06 ↗ going to be that there are some uh

1:38:08 ↗ viable long-term options that we can um

1:38:11 ↗ we can pursue and then um disagreeing a

1:38:15 ↗ little bit with U or maybe not even

1:38:17 ↗ disagreeing but not a big fan of council

1:38:20 ↗ Council mtic borrowing I think

1:38:22 ↗ particularly for something of this magn

1:38:23 ↗ itude um if we're going to be spending

1:38:25 ↗ the dollars we got to bring new Revenue

1:38:27 ↗ sources uh with the dollars so that's my

1:38:30 ↗ thinking oh and last thing I think we

1:38:33 ↗ should do public engagement before we

1:38:35 ↗ start talking about a bond I think we

1:38:36 ↗ should be understanding what the public

1:38:38 ↗ really um you know what's important to

1:38:41 ↗ them and then maybe Circle back and and

1:38:44 ↗ talk about how do we start to plan for a

1:38:46 ↗ bond or a

1:38:48 ↗ ballot council member hunt

1:38:53 ↗ um so on the on the first one I think

1:38:56 ↗ there were a lot of options that were

1:38:59 ↗ researched and considered and this was

1:39:02 ↗ the one that we are presented with but

1:39:04 ↗ we aren't really presented with the

1:39:06 ↗ information on the other options as was

1:39:09 ↗ mentioned previously there's an option b

1:39:10 ↗ but it it really wasn't feasible

1:39:15 ↗ financially um and so I think having

1:39:18 ↗ more information about these are the

1:39:20 ↗ things we considered these are why they

1:39:22 ↗ aren't possible having that uh so that

1:39:25 ↗ we can also read through that logic and

1:39:28 ↗ vet all of that I think would be helpful

1:39:30 ↗ because as we were asking questions you

1:39:32 ↗ were saying well we did look at that and

1:39:34 ↗ you know these are the reasons that

1:39:35 ↗ didn't make sense so I think just uh

1:39:38 ↗ kind of surfacing those as options that

1:39:40 ↗ were considered and these are the

1:39:41 ↗ reasons why not would be would be

1:39:43 ↗ helpful

1:39:45 ↗ um it seems to me as other people have

1:39:49 ↗ uh also said that the first thing we

1:39:53 ↗ need need to really think about is the

1:39:55 ↗ the funding for the public safety

1:39:59 ↗ facilities and then if that um if we do

1:40:02 ↗ have funding to do that work uh then we

1:40:06 ↗ have a need to move the government

1:40:08 ↗ facilities and um and

1:40:11 ↗ then there's a bunch of moving pieces

1:40:13 ↗ here so one consideration could be that

1:40:16 ↗ I think we could I think you could make

1:40:18 ↗ a chart with the same goals for the

1:40:21 ↗ different facilities like this is best

1:40:23 ↗ best for courts this is best for um the

1:40:26 ↗ police facilities this is best for the

1:40:28 ↗ fire facilities to do things this way

1:40:30 ↗ because um there's a lot of different

1:40:33 ↗ reasons why you chose this option but I

1:40:36 ↗ think you know for example as was

1:40:38 ↗ mentioned if we if there wasn't a a bond

1:40:41 ↗ that passed then we wouldn't be able to

1:40:44 ↗ uh we wouldn't we would still have the

1:40:46 ↗ building as is so then what would happen

1:40:49 ↗ um and I I think we would probably

1:40:51 ↗ continue to use this building

1:40:54 ↗ Court um in that case so I I think just

1:40:57 ↗ having the phase approach laid out with

1:40:59 ↗ why this is the best approach and then

1:41:01 ↗ also the timing of moving court and the

1:41:04 ↗ benefits to court specifically the

1:41:06 ↗ benefits to the fire uh fire service

1:41:09 ↗ specifically and the benefit police

1:41:11 ↗ specifically would help tease out some

1:41:12 ↗ of those different things which are kind

1:41:14 ↗ of all together into one option that

1:41:16 ↗ seems like staff after considering all

1:41:20 ↗ the options found that it was best but

1:41:21 ↗ it doesn't really lay out all the

1:41:24 ↗ the benefits um and all the other

1:41:29 ↗ possibilities um so one other thing I

1:41:32 ↗ think the leasing could could make sense

1:41:35 ↗ if it's really the most cost effective I

1:41:38 ↗ think for the court uh to move to a

1:41:42 ↗ court that is currently a court that

1:41:43 ↗ seems to make sense because there's not

1:41:45 ↗ a lot of tenant improvements that we

1:41:47 ↗ need to do so I would similarly hope

1:41:49 ↗ that we could move to a if we're leasing

1:41:52 ↗ a space that we could lease a space that

1:41:54 ↗ doesn't require a lot of tenant

1:41:55 ↗ improvements and that is already office

1:41:57 ↗ or is already something similar to um a

1:42:01 ↗ city council chambers for for use of the

1:42:03 ↗ city council chambers so that we don't

1:42:05 ↗ have to spend a lot on tenant

1:42:07 ↗ improvements and then ultimately not

1:42:09 ↗ have a long-term investment that the

1:42:12 ↗ community is going to be using for more

1:42:13 ↗ than however many years we intend to use

1:42:15 ↗ it um as my fellow council members have

1:42:18 ↗ said having that longer term vision of

1:42:20 ↗ how long we're going to be leasing or

1:42:23 ↗ likely to lease uh and then where where

1:42:26 ↗ those facilities would move would also

1:42:29 ↗ be very helpful

1:42:34 ↗ um and yeah I I just think there's a lot

1:42:37 ↗ of data that would be helpful in terms

1:42:39 ↗ of you know we talked about service

1:42:42 ↗ times that service times would be uh

1:42:44 ↗ comparable or improved for the fire

1:42:46 ↗ station if it moved here it's it's a

1:42:49 ↗ very similar location so can we just see

1:42:51 ↗ how that would play out and then you

1:42:53 ↗ know see what are the what are the

1:42:55 ↗ expected actual benefits of moving it

1:42:57 ↗ here the if there's additional capacity

1:42:59 ↗ additional fire trucks how does that

1:43:01 ↗ improve service time but just get some

1:43:03 ↗ sense of the public benefits um for all

1:43:06 ↗ these different components and then how

1:43:08 ↗ they could be uh separated out or if it

1:43:11 ↗ makes sense to separate

1:43:16 ↗ them okay I'm taking taking the end

1:43:19 ↗ slaught here um we can go back for

1:43:21 ↗ seconds if there's anybody who comes

1:43:23 ↗ through

1:43:25 ↗ um my feeling on all of this is that I

1:43:29 ↗ think it's been pretty well laid out

1:43:33 ↗ that the police department needs the

1:43:35 ↗ full City Hall that was what that

1:43:37 ↗ building was intended for that is why we

1:43:42 ↗ have looked for City Hall space over the

1:43:45 ↗ last year um I don't know how often you

1:43:49 ↗ guys have been over there uh to see that

1:43:53 ↗ facility in use it's packed it's

1:43:57 ↗ old um it needs a lot of work and I

1:44:00 ↗ think having been in the Municipal Court

1:44:04 ↗ here uh I can say the same so my

1:44:07 ↗ thoughts are it's clear that those two

1:44:11 ↗ are priorities and needs that we need to

1:44:14 ↗ address and I think Police Department is

1:44:17 ↗ main reason we went on this journey um

1:44:21 ↗ in the first place but based on what

1:44:23 ↗ I've heard from other council members it

1:44:25 ↗ seems like we may need to do a

1:44:27 ↗ facilities tour um with staff involved

1:44:30 ↗ as a way to show I remember doing that

1:44:33 ↗ for City Hall Northwest and jumping on

1:44:36 ↗ the second floor and feeling it move um

1:44:40 ↗ so any demonstrations like that I think

1:44:43 ↗ could be very uh pointed for us not that

1:44:46 ↗ I'm saying anybody

1:44:48 ↗ should yeah okay fantastic uh similar ly

1:44:53 ↗ I think it might be useful to take

1:44:57 ↗ Council on a tour of the municipal court

1:45:02 ↗ or the district court or um other City

1:45:07 ↗ Hall facilities or something that gives

1:45:09 ↗ us a sense of where we're at and where

1:45:14 ↗ other options are um I think could be

1:45:17 ↗ useful um further feedback uh I think

1:45:21 ↗ the phased approach makes whole heck of

1:45:23 ↗ a lot of sense um I think the big point

1:45:28 ↗ that I think utumn made in the staff

1:45:31 ↗ report of hey we only have limited staff

1:45:34 ↗ time and we can't take on five projects

1:45:38 ↗ at once and so I think for that reason

1:45:41 ↗ that really gave me a sense of oh yeah

1:45:44 ↗ that's right that this is the right

1:45:46 ↗ approach rather than rebuild everything

1:45:49 ↗ all at once taking things on in

1:45:53 ↗ segmented projects make sense um that

1:45:56 ↗ being said I'm really disappointed that

1:45:59 ↗ we would have no other choice really

1:46:02 ↗ than leasing for City Hall and Municipal

1:46:07 ↗ Court um without having a plan for a

1:46:10 ↗ permanent location but I did really

1:46:13 ↗ appreciate what city administrator Bob

1:46:15 ↗ quit said that hey while we're leasing a

1:46:18 ↗ space may become available during that

1:46:21 ↗ time throughout the city you know we did

1:46:23 ↗ an intense search over the last year and

1:46:26 ↗ couldn't find anything but properties

1:46:28 ↗ can become available and so that is

1:46:32 ↗ helpful for me in thinking about it

1:46:35 ↗ because I think well one option is to

1:46:39 ↗ build a new campus in the old town area

1:46:43 ↗ or another location where we already

1:46:45 ↗ have property another option is to buy a

1:46:50 ↗ property that could save us money and so

1:46:53 ↗ I think in that way the leasing gives us

1:46:56 ↗ flexibility of options to look at

1:47:00 ↗ potential um purpose

1:47:02 ↗ purchases that being said I'm not bought

1:47:06 ↗ in on the idea of this as a proposed

1:47:09 ↗ location for fire station 71 I think we

1:47:13 ↗ still have heard from a lot of council

1:47:15 ↗ members that we need more data and

1:47:17 ↗ information on that we were given a

1:47:20 ↗ story for several years that we needed

1:47:23 ↗ in the north I think the story of hey

1:47:26 ↗ but that is potentially aamish um issue

1:47:30 ↗ makes sense but still doesn't positively

1:47:35 ↗ explain why this is the right location

1:47:38 ↗ um so information on response times

1:47:41 ↗ information as Deputy council president

1:47:44 ↗ D Michelle said of hey this is a really

1:47:47 ↗ busy location do we think that this

1:47:50 ↗ location is going to serve us for 50

1:47:53 ↗ years um all of that would be helpful in

1:47:57 ↗ understanding that and then on financing

1:48:01 ↗ I do think that we're going to need a

1:48:04 ↗ voter approved Bond I'm ready to do

1:48:08 ↗ public engagement at this point um but I

1:48:11 ↗ do really want to understand what our

1:48:12 ↗ contingency plans are particularly if um

1:48:17 ↗ certain other area bonds that may be on

1:48:21 ↗ the ballot in 2024 don't pass um what

1:48:24 ↗ that does to our timeline and our

1:48:27 ↗ ability to move forward with each one of

1:48:30 ↗ these

1:48:32 ↗ segments okay we have heard from

1:48:35 ↗ everybody anybody here something from

1:48:38 ↗ council members that they want to

1:48:40 ↗ trigger something for them Deputy

1:48:42 ↗ council

1:48:43 ↗ president um just a uh another request

1:48:47 ↗ for information we got a very nice um

1:48:50 ↗ list of uh municip bonds that had passed

1:48:53 ↗ and failed um but it's my understanding

1:48:56 ↗ that there's been a wave of bond

1:48:58 ↗ failures around school districts and so

1:49:01 ↗ I'm wondering if we could gather that

1:49:03 ↗ information uh my sister lives at

1:49:05 ↗ Spokane and I believe Spokane lost their

1:49:08 ↗ first Bond measure in the last 40 years

1:49:11 ↗ um most recently so um and I I think

1:49:16 ↗ it's legal for us to um get advice on

1:49:20 ↗ the political environment that we're in

1:49:23 ↗ and I would suggest that possibly we do

1:49:25 ↗ that now rather than later and that

1:49:28 ↗ would help us prepare and also perhaps

1:49:31 ↗ help us with the timing of any Community

1:49:34 ↗ engagement that we wanted to do around a

1:49:36 ↗ possible Bond measure um I think that

1:49:40 ↗ figuring out what where public sentiment

1:49:43 ↗ is right now about how much taxes

1:49:47 ↗ they're willing to uh assume and the

1:49:50 ↗ general feeling uh towards uh government

1:49:53 ↗ at this point would be would might be

1:49:55 ↗ really helpful information for us

1:50:00 ↗ thanks anybody

1:50:04 ↗ else okay we have said a lot you have

1:50:09 ↗ Administration uh I'd like to give the

1:50:11 ↗ chief chief Swan an opportunity to share

1:50:14 ↗ whatever she would wanted to

1:50:16 ↗ share Chief Schwan are you still there

1:50:26 ↗ I did receive a note saying she was all

1:50:29 ↗ good it was just toward an earlier

1:50:30 ↗ comment so she comes back

1:50:35 ↗ um you know thank you can you hear

1:50:38 ↗ me now we can now we

1:50:42 ↗ can I just wanted to say in touch face

1:50:45 ↗ that I know it's been mentioned that you

1:50:47 ↗ know we need more officers and I'm never

1:50:49 ↗ going to dispute that um at the same

1:50:52 ↗ time we are bursting at the students

1:50:54 ↗ inside the facility that we're in

1:50:56 ↗ unfortunately um and so that is a a a

1:51:00 ↗ definitive thing that in space that's a

1:51:03 ↗ big piece for us in the

1:51:07 ↗ future thank you Chief yeah thank

1:51:11 ↗ you again thank you all for your

1:51:13 ↗ comments um this is a lot and uh as we

1:51:16 ↗ said at the outset uh we need to get

1:51:19 ↗ moving and so appreciate all of the

1:51:21 ↗ feedback that you've given given us

1:51:22 ↗ tonight um it seems like there's two

1:51:25 ↗ buckets of of next steps one is sort of

1:51:29 ↗ a data bucket uh talking in specific

1:51:33 ↗ term more specific terms about where we

1:51:35 ↗ stand on fire uh perhaps talking in more

1:51:37 ↗ specific terms and where we stand with

1:51:39 ↗ the court um we have a committee of the

1:51:42 ↗ whole scheduled city clerk for the 13th

1:51:46 ↗ of May uh which this was the plan topic

1:51:49 ↗ to continue discussion so um I guess my

1:51:53 ↗ thought would be to use that meeting as

1:51:55 ↗ a data meeting um have additional

1:51:58 ↗ discussions with the uh Eire and rescue

1:52:01 ↗ they have all the information uh and

1:52:03 ↗ I'll just ask uh Chief Lane for

1:52:05 ↗ confirmation I I don't believe Chief

1:52:07 ↗ Lane you we've heard anything tonight

1:52:09 ↗ that you don't already uh have uh the

1:52:12 ↗ ability to share was that your sense as

1:52:14 ↗ well that's correct so we can pending on

1:52:18 ↗ schedules plan to give a full briefing

1:52:21 ↗ uh on the Fire fire station locations

1:52:23 ↗ calls for service issues um I'm a little

1:52:27 ↗ unclear as to how much more you'd like

1:52:29 ↗ to hear from the court as far as data

1:52:32 ↗ and issues are concerned

1:52:33 ↗ there um perhaps I think the second

1:52:37 ↗ buckets field trips and so we'll get

1:52:39 ↗ we'll get to the field trip bucket in a

1:52:41 ↗ second uh but we'll plan to talk about

1:52:43 ↗ data uh from fire and then um bottom and

1:52:48 ↗ Andrea I think there are other pieces of

1:52:50 ↗ information which we can share and walk

1:52:52 ↗ through

1:52:53 ↗ and so that probably is a meeting in and

1:52:55 ↗ of itself does that sound reasonable for

1:52:58 ↗ uh May

1:53:00 ↗ 13th yeah so we did already have another

1:53:03 ↗ meeting set out um and you feel like you

1:53:06 ↗ can get those again with the

1:53:09 ↗ confirmation from Chief Lane um as we

1:53:11 ↗ have talked about this over the last uh

1:53:14 ↗ you know 12 18 24 months all the

1:53:16 ↗ information you've asked for I think

1:53:18 ↗ we've all seen various forms so that's

1:53:21 ↗ we should be able to share that

1:53:23 ↗ um so then it comes to field trips um

1:53:26 ↗ certainly we would love to to show you

1:53:28 ↗ the current conditions of the facilities

1:53:30 ↗ we've talked about um also perhaps show

1:53:33 ↗ you current conditions of other uh

1:53:35 ↗ Municipal facilities in the area um that

1:53:38 ↗ we would you know of comparable

1:53:40 ↗ communities um I think it's important

1:53:42 ↗ that you do this all together versus

1:53:45 ↗ doing it in vits and pieces um so would

1:53:49 ↗ the council uh be willing for the admin

1:53:52 ↗ ation to work with Council leadership on

1:53:54 ↗ what that might look like um you know

1:53:57 ↗ over one or two meetings um depending on

1:54:01 ↗ how much ground we need to cover uh we

1:54:03 ↗ may also I mean the reality is the fire

1:54:05 ↗ station is next door um you know perhaps

1:54:08 ↗ as we look at the agenda for the meeting

1:54:11 ↗ on the 13th if it makes sense to start

1:54:14 ↗ there um and then come back back in the

1:54:16 ↗ council chambers um just in order to

1:54:19 ↗ cross that off the list figuring the

1:54:21 ↗ other location are not adjacent to the

1:54:24 ↗ chambers and will require transport so

1:54:27 ↗ um I think those are the two next steps

1:54:30 ↗ um in you know in talking with mayor

1:54:32 ↗ Paulie and and communicating with her

1:54:34 ↗ this evening um she feels still very

1:54:36 ↗ strongly about moving forward with a

1:54:39 ↗ community task force and so I think we

1:54:40 ↗ will talk about that as well on May 13th

1:54:44 ↗ uh and share perhaps the mayor will join

1:54:46 ↗ us and share more of her thinking or or

1:54:49 ↗ I can as her agent to do that um but

1:54:52 ↗ again this is hard stuff um there's a

1:54:55 ↗ lot of critical pieces here and and we

1:54:57 ↗ appreciate the council's willingness to

1:55:00 ↗ roll up his sleeves and and be very

1:55:01 ↗ forthright Deputy council president D

1:55:03 ↗ Michelle and I had a a great

1:55:05 ↗ conversation this afternoon when she

1:55:07 ↗ rolled out her list and I said please

1:55:10 ↗ bring it I mean we want to hear what

1:55:12 ↗ these issues are because if they're

1:55:13 ↗ issues for you they're going to be

1:55:14 ↗ issues for members of the community and

1:55:16 ↗ better that we bat through them now uh

1:55:20 ↗ than later so um we'll plan uh council

1:55:23 ↗ president then to uh put together an

1:55:26 ↗ agenda working with Council leadership

1:55:27 ↗ for the May 13th c um that will be

1:55:31 ↗ mostly data and if we can make a visit

1:55:33 ↗ next door to the fire station we'll do

1:55:35 ↗ that uh and then look at another date

1:55:39 ↗ probably two dates that would be more

1:55:40 ↗ field trip get in the van and go take a

1:55:44 ↗ look at stuff does that make sense to

1:55:45 ↗ you makes sense for me um what I'd like

1:55:49 ↗ to hear from Council Members probably

1:55:51 ↗ just over email or give me a call is

1:55:54 ↗ what your thoughts are on field trips

1:55:56 ↗ what you need to see what you think

1:55:59 ↗ would be valuable um timing Etc things

1:56:03 ↗ like that so if you could get back to me

1:56:05 ↗ that would be great council member Ms

1:56:07 ↗ just to comment about the 13th uh I will

1:56:10 ↗ be in uh finishing a trip to Boseman

1:56:13 ↗ Montana to watch my youngest graduate

1:56:15 ↗ with his college degree so unfortunately

1:56:16 ↗ I will not be here but I will be a proud

1:56:20 ↗ pop we will be thinking about you and

1:56:23 ↗ your son at that

1:56:24 ↗ point um okay I think we have provided a

1:56:29 ↗ lot I think the administration's given

1:56:32 ↗ us some potential next steps for more

1:56:34 ↗ information I'll look forward to hearing

1:56:37 ↗ from council members

1:56:39 ↗ and with that anything else staff over

1:56:43 ↗ in the corner far far away okay well um

1:56:48 ↗ yeah I was just going to go back to the

1:56:51 ↗ agenda it items um yeah good of the

1:56:55 ↗ order Deputy council president so fellow

1:56:57 ↗ council members there is a list of

1:57:01 ↗ commissions and board meetings coming up

1:57:03 ↗ where uh we are hoping that we can get

1:57:05 ↗ you to sign up and go out and thank uh

1:57:09 ↗ our commissions and uh boards so um

1:57:13 ↗ council member Hall thank you so much

1:57:14 ↗ for participating and the rest of

1:57:18 ↗ you shame and guilt so uh and if you

1:57:23 ↗ need me to refresh that email just let

1:57:25 ↗ me know I'll send it to you uh and we've

1:57:27 ↗ got the signup sheet online

1:57:33 ↗ thanks and that's what leadership is for

1:57:37 ↗ sometimes is just to bring a little bit

1:57:40 ↗ honest truth to everybody but everybody

1:57:42 ↗ participated so nicely tonight so

1:57:45 ↗ appreciate that uh with that we are

1:57:47 ↗ adjourned at 8:28 p.m. thank you

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Council / Members (7)

Barbara de Michele

Zach Hall

Victoria Hunt

Russell Joe

Tola Marts

Chris Reh

Lindsey Walsh

Staff (3)

Wally Bobkiewicz, City Administrator

Andrea Snyder, Deputy City Administrator

Tisha Gieser, City Clerk

Recommendations & actions (2)

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The City Council also requested the following information:  # of full time employees the City is looking for leased space for  Conceptual plans of fire station at proposed 135 E.
City Administrator Bobkiewicz shared that the City would focus the May 13 Committee of the Whole on data requested by the City Council.