City Council Committee of the Whole · Monday, April 29, 2024 · City Council Digest

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Staff report:

Administration recommends: • Continuing to research and further scope costs for a phased approach to an Olde Town Municipal Campus in preparation for the 2025-26 budget season. • Continuing negotiations on potential leasing options for City Hall and Court uses. • Fund the office and court leases with existing funds (including the proceeds from the sale of CHNW).

Facilities & Revenue Options COM 0023

Director · 90 min · Autumn Monahan, Administrative Services

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0:01 ↗ good evening everyone I council

0:03 ↗ president Walsh call the April 29th

0:05 ↗ special Committee of the whole meeting

0:07 ↗ to order at 6:31 p.m. as a reminder we

0:12 ↗ continue to have a remote aspect to our

0:14 ↗ meetings and so staff and members of the

0:17 ↗ public can be participating in tonight's

0:19 ↗ meeting remotely via

0:21 ↗ WebEx let's

0:24 ↗ see there are multiple public comment

0:27 ↗ opportunities at tonight's meeting there

0:28 ↗ is a general public public comment

0:30 ↗ opportunity at the beginning of the

0:32 ↗ meeting or you can make comments after

0:33 ↗ the presentation and Council question

0:35 ↗ and answer period on tonight's agenda

0:38 ↗ items so members of the public May

0:41 ↗ address council at this time in person

0:43 ↗ or virtually those who signed up in

0:45 ↗ advance to make comments will be called

0:47 ↗ on first if you're joining us virtually

0:49 ↗ and would like to make comments please

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0:57 ↗ you've joined by computer or smartphone

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1:02 ↗ the host a chat

1:05 ↗ message um if you're in the room and did

1:07 ↗ not sign up I'll ask for other speakers

1:09 ↗ before closing this portion of the

1:11 ↗ meeting so I'm going to wait a moment

1:13 ↗ and see if anybody wants to raise their

1:17 ↗ hand um clerk has anyone signed up to

1:19 ↗ speak or indicated a desire to speak

1:21 ↗ this

1:22 ↗ evening yes we have one person in the

1:25 ↗ chambers here and we don't have anyone

1:26 ↗ from the public attending virtually at

1:28 ↗ this time okay and fantastic so um

1:32 ↗ you're going to be invited to address

1:33 ↗ the council regarding matters that are

1:35 ↗ directly related to isqua's programs

1:37 ↗ projects services or events please

1:40 ↗ direct comments to the whole Council and

1:42 ↗ not individuals while this is not a

1:44 ↗ question and answer session we will

1:46 ↗ contact you to follow up if needed when

1:48 ↗ recognized you're going to come up to

1:50 ↗ the lect turn press the button so that

1:53 ↗ the microphone turns red state your name

1:56 ↗ address and relationship to the city

1:59 ↗ speak clear L and pause frequently and

2:01 ↗ limit your comments to 5 minutes with

2:04 ↗ this

2:05 ↗ timer uh let's see if you're attending

2:07 ↗ virtually and do not respond after your

2:08 ↗ name or phone number is called or if

2:10 ↗ your connection is lost unexpectedly the

2:12 ↗ meeting will need to proceed you're

2:14 ↗ encouraged to rejoin if able personal

2:17 ↗ attacks obscene language derogatory

2:19 ↗ remarks and disruptive behavior will not

2:22 ↗ be permitted so clerk can you

2:25 ↗ please

2:27 ↗ call up to the L turn yes Chris Winters

2:31 ↗ fastic thank

2:37 ↗ you there it is right there okay my name

2:41 ↗ is Charles Winters and uh my wife and I

2:44 ↗ live up on squawk Mountain at 770

2:46 ↗ Highwood Drive we've been there for over

2:48 ↗ 40 years and I'm here today to ask for

2:52 ↗ additional funding for the isqua police

2:54 ↗ department in fiscal years 25 and

2:57 ↗ 26 so what got me started down this path

3:01 ↗ by the way uh the police didn't send me

3:04 ↗ I don't know anybody who works for the

3:06 ↗ police I'm just a concerned Citizen and

3:08 ↗ resident of isqua but um uh when we

3:12 ↗ first moved here as you're all are quite

3:16 ↗ aware it's like paradise on earth

3:18 ↗ compared to most places I've lived and I

3:20 ↗ immediately found out that they had a a

3:22 ↗ low crime

3:24 ↗ rate peaceful residence and a real nice

3:27 ↗ Police Department I mean they're just

3:29 ↗ officer friendly all the way so for

3:33 ↗ almost 40 years I really didn't think

3:36 ↗ much about the police took them for

3:37 ↗ granted as we all

3:40 ↗ do and uh then the pandemic happened and

3:46 ↗ uh first thing I noticed is the city

3:47 ↗ took a huge hit on Revenue because all

3:50 ↗ the economy shut down all the revenues

3:52 ↗ you were getting from sales just dried

3:54 ↗ up overnight and uh people weren't

3:57 ↗ working they weren't paying taxes they

3:59 ↗ weren't

4:00 ↗ doing a lot of things then the riots

4:02 ↗ came and the crime rate went through the

4:04 ↗ roof people started traveling to isqua

4:07 ↗ for the sole purpose of committing

4:09 ↗ property crimes and that goes on today

4:11 ↗ has hasn't really hasn't Abit at all in

4:14 ↗ fact it's probably increasing so I

4:16 ↗ started taking a big interest in the

4:19 ↗ police and uh then uh you know just

4:23 ↗ paying attention and reading up on them

4:26 ↗ finding out what how they're doing and

4:29 ↗ then in in September of

4:31 ↗ 22 uh I attended a a virtually attended

4:35 ↗ a meeting of this committee H where in

4:38 ↗ the new police chief Schwan gave a

4:40 ↗ presentation about strategic plans or

4:43 ↗ something I don't remember what it was

4:44 ↗ and in the course of her presentation

4:47 ↗ she mentioned uh a key

4:50 ↗ parameter that that police departments

4:52 ↗ all over the country used to measure

4:54 ↗ their capabilities and that is the ratio

4:57 ↗ of residents to full-time employees in

5:01 ↗ the department and she twice she

5:03 ↗ mentioned that isqua when compared to

5:05 ↗ Pure cities was at the bottom of the

5:09 ↗ list not not good that really bothered

5:12 ↗ me so after some procrastination I made

5:15 ↗ some inquiries with isqua police

5:18 ↗ Kirkland Redmond and verer Island to

5:22 ↗ find out well how are they doing on this

5:25 ↗ key parameter ratio of residents to

5:28 ↗ full-time police employees

5:30 ↗ and so I gathered the data and lo and

5:33 ↗ behold Chief Schwan was right we're at

5:36 ↗ the bottom of the list top of the list

5:38 ↗ is Redmond where with a ratio this is as

5:42 ↗ of October of last year a ratio of 564

5:47 ↗ to one out of a population of 74,000 all

5:51 ↗ four all four of these cities are

5:54 ↗ roughly equal the same ballpark of size

5:56 ↗ of

5:57 ↗ population crime problem from Seattle uh

6:01 ↗ affluent uh tax base and so forth next

6:05 ↗ in line with Mercer Island at 684 to1

6:08 ↗ then Kirkland at 692

6:11 ↗ to1 and finally isqua at 738 to1 so the

6:17 ↗ difference between those two of pure

6:18 ↗ cities roughly equal in size and so

6:21 ↗ forth uh is raises an alarm and so I

6:24 ↗ wanted to bring it to your attention so

6:26 ↗ I wrote all of you a letter in December

6:29 ↗ last year here you may remember it and I

6:31 ↗ attached the data and uh so I'm here

6:34 ↗ today to remind you about that and

6:36 ↗ Trigger some more discussion because I

6:39 ↗ know your cycle you come to a conclusion

6:42 ↗ about next year's next F fiscal Year's

6:45 ↗ budget for All departments and I just

6:47 ↗ wanted to remind you that police

6:50 ↗ protection is top of the list of the

6:53 ↗ services in my opinion most important

6:55 ↗ most primary most immediate most

6:58 ↗ important in this day and of rising

7:00 ↗ crime and Rising

7:02 ↗ population and right up there with water

7:04 ↗ and sewer services so parks and

7:08 ↗ community services and all the other

7:10 ↗ things that we do are important but

7:12 ↗ they're not as important as police

7:14 ↗ protection so I'm encouraging you to

7:16 ↗ give this some thought as you work your

7:18 ↗ way up to the budget for the next two

7:20 ↗ years and I'll check back with President

7:23 ↗ Walsh in a few months to see how you

7:25 ↗ doing on that and where you're headed uh

7:28 ↗ just just to remind you here uh right

7:32 ↗ now isqua has an authorized head count

7:34 ↗ for 24 of 61 heads and uh the chief has

7:39 ↗ been hard at work on hiring people

7:41 ↗ getting good quality people so they're

7:43 ↗ up to 57 as of today they're at 57 so

7:47 ↗ they're they're doing good on the hiring

7:49 ↗ but they need but I believe they're

7:51 ↗ underfunded and I think if you take a

7:52 ↗ close look talk to the city

7:54 ↗ Administration you'll find out that uh

7:57 ↗ there there's room for improvement

8:00 ↗ thank you thank you Mr Winters we

8:03 ↗ appreciate someone who comes with a good

8:06 ↗ set of data and uh wanting to talk to

8:08 ↗ the council so thank you very much do we

8:11 ↗ have anyone else who has signed up

8:12 ↗ indicating to speak yes we had a virtual

8:15 ↗ member of the public join us Connie

8:17 ↗ Marsh who would like to make comments

8:19 ↗ Connie I'm making you a panelist now

8:22 ↗ okay

8:36 ↗ Connie this is Tisha it looks like

8:38 ↗ you're unmuted but we're not hearing you

8:48 ↗ unfortunately okay I see you're

8:54 ↗ unmuted we still cannot hear you um I'd

8:59 ↗ like to do a a quick test if uh Chief

9:03 ↗ Schwan or Christie is available to do a

9:07 ↗ quick unmute and audio check with us in

9:09 ↗ the

9:12 ↗ rooman okay we can hear you loud and

9:15 ↗ clear Christy Sean okay we can hear you

9:20 ↗ chrisy Connie it it appears there's some

9:23 ↗ kind of audio issue because I can see

9:24 ↗ you're unmuted but we're not getting any

9:26 ↗ audio in the room

9:30 ↗ we can try again under the public

9:32 ↗ comment portion of tonight's agenda

9:35 ↗ item yeah Connie um if you can hear us

9:38 ↗ and you are trying to speak can you go

9:40 ↗ ahead and send the host a chat message

9:43 ↗ and just kind of talk it

9:45 ↗ through if we hear you in the next few

9:48 ↗ moments we can get a public comment

9:50 ↗ early on otherwise we'll look either for

9:53 ↗ your email or if you want to stay

9:57 ↗ through uh after our question answer

9:59 ↗ period we can potentially get you

10:05 ↗ then okay and it looks like she may she

10:07 ↗ may need to drop off the meeting but

10:09 ↗ unfortunately I'm not not sure what we

10:11 ↗ can do at this point to make the audio

10:13 ↗ work our apologies yeah okay well

10:18 ↗ technology sometimes works most of the

10:21 ↗ time works uh but sometimes we run into

10:24 ↗ issues like that so let's see let me get

10:27 ↗ through the rest of the the agenda

10:30 ↗ portion I think at this point we are

10:32 ↗ just on to our agenda item which is Comm

10:36 ↗ 0023 facilities and revenue options

10:40 ↗ presented by AUM Manan administrative

10:43 ↗ Services director and Andrea Snider

10:46 ↗ interm CFO and person who just does

10:50 ↗ everything at the city take it away

10:53 ↗ thanks uh thank you council president Hi

10:56 ↗ good evening I'm Andrea Snider uh Deputy

10:58 ↗ City administ rator and interim CFO and

11:00 ↗ with me yes is AUM manahan we also have

11:03 ↗ um a number of folks online to help

11:05 ↗ answer questions as they may arise today

11:08 ↗ uh before we begin tonight I wanted to

11:11 ↗ take a moment and just say um that

11:14 ↗ tonight's presentation really represents

11:16 ↗ the culmination of years of work and

11:19 ↗ discussions on how to address the city's

11:22 ↗ facilities needs many of these

11:24 ↗ conversations we began pre pandemic when

11:26 ↗ we were talking about the city

11:28 ↗ Administration and office's needs and um

11:31 ↗ a new fire

11:32 ↗ station the Administration has been

11:34 ↗ working really hard to discover the best

11:36 ↗ options to address those needs and this

11:39 ↗ is this is hard complicated stuff the

11:42 ↗ city hasn't done a big facilities

11:44 ↗ project big facilities investment in uh

11:47 ↗ about a generation and so we have a lot

11:50 ↗ of information that we have tried to

11:53 ↗ distill down for you this evening to

11:55 ↗ provide one cohesive proposal that you

11:58 ↗ can react to and so that's really the

12:00 ↗ goal and purpose of tonight is to

12:02 ↗ discuss um what your feedback might be

12:05 ↗ what questions what information you need

12:07 ↗ and we look forward to getting into some

12:10 ↗ of that tonight also having subsequent

12:12 ↗ discussions and conversations with you

12:14 ↗ uh including very importantly how we

12:16 ↗ would engage the public moving forward

12:18 ↗ and so um you know we are excited for

12:22 ↗ the presentation tonight in the

12:23 ↗ conversation with you and look forward

12:26 ↗ to your questions this evening and with

12:29 ↗ without any other delay uh Autumn

12:31 ↗ Monahan Administration Services

12:39 ↗ director thank you hello Council I'm

12:41 ↗ excited to be here tonight to continue

12:43 ↗ our discussions on facility and revenue

12:47 ↗ options so purpose of tonight is to

12:50 ↗ provide an update on the city's Police

12:52 ↗ Court and City Hall planning review

12:54 ↗ Revenue options receive your feedback

12:56 ↗ and then review some next steps

12:59 ↗ the direction we're seeking tonight is

13:01 ↗ three-fold should Administration Focus

13:02 ↗ further research on a phased approach to

13:04 ↗ an Oldtown Municipal campus does the

13:07 ↗ council agree with the administration's

13:08 ↗ proposal to use current resources for

13:10 ↗ leasing office and Court space and

13:13 ↗ should the administration proceive a

13:14 ↗ planning for a ballot measure for Public

13:16 ↗ Safety facilities Bond vote and start

13:18 ↗ creating a community engagement plan for

13:19 ↗ further

13:22 ↗ review um as was already mentioned we've

13:24 ↗ been studying these issues for many

13:25 ↗ years our space planning actually

13:27 ↗ started this round started in uh 2018

13:31 ↗ pre pandemic uh we refreshed that study

13:34 ↗ in 2023 last year and I was before you

13:36 ↗ many times uh going through what our

13:39 ↗ needs were as a city and it Rose to the

13:40 ↗ top is Public

13:42 ↗ Safety um so before you on these options

13:46 ↗ here um after all of that discussion in

13:48 ↗ 2023 um all of these were included in

13:51 ↗ our CIP those include further assessing

13:53 ↗ two options for City Hall space either

13:55 ↗ purchasing and renovating an existing

13:57 ↗ building in isqua or building a

13:59 ↗ municipal campus here in Oldtown as well

14:02 ↗ as relocating and building a new fire

14:03 ↗ station 71 demolishing this building

14:06 ↗ City Hall South and moving the court and

14:08 ↗ renovating City Hall uh the current

14:11 ↗ building for all Police use in addition

14:14 ↗ during the council's retreat in February

14:16 ↗ uh there was interest in learning more

14:18 ↗ about a levy lift Levy lid lift for

14:21 ↗ Public Safety as well as voter approv

14:25 ↗ bonds as a reminder here are the goals

14:27 ↗ we set for our space planning project

14:29 ↗ last year um you'll see well and I'll

14:32 ↗ review this real quick it's ensuring

14:33 ↗ safety stewarding public dollars

14:36 ↗ customer service Economic Development

14:39 ↗ providing Community amenities and

14:40 ↗ environmental stewardship and you'll see

14:42 ↗ here we've used I've used this graph

14:44 ↗ many times to kind of assess both

14:46 ↗ options A and B um you'll see here um

14:49 ↗ that stewarding public dollars and

14:50 ↗ customer service are marked somewhat

14:52 ↗ likely and not likely under option b

14:54 ↗ I'll cover this more in a minute but

14:56 ↗ generally we're very limited in options

14:58 ↗ on what to purchase and renovate here in

14:59 ↗ isqua so that makes it more unlikely

15:02 ↗ that we would be able to find any

15:03 ↗ operational cost efficiencies or

15:05 ↗ collocate with other Civic services or

15:07 ↗ other community

15:11 ↗ amenities uh so last summer the city

15:13 ↗ council asked us to go out and research

15:15 ↗ options for purchasing and renovating a

15:17 ↗ facility there are less than 20 existing

15:19 ↗ buildings in all of isqua that would

15:21 ↗ meet our space requirements that

15:23 ↗ excludes Warehouse industrial and

15:26 ↗ Retail of those properties following an

15:28 ↗ extens of search um there's just

15:30 ↗ extremely limited viable options in town

15:33 ↗ and especially in central isqua that

15:35 ↗ meet our goals and none that the

15:37 ↗ administration would currently recommend

15:39 ↗ for

15:41 ↗ pursuing so we turn back to the idea of

15:44 ↗ an Oldtown Municipal

15:46 ↗ campus so uh this time we're proposing a

15:49 ↗ phased approach uh that would utilize

15:53 ↗ our existing city-owned property here

15:55 ↗ for a fire station 71 which mean we

15:58 ↗ demolish this current building actually

16:00 ↗ bringing the fire station back home this

16:01 ↗ used to be a fire station Once Upon a

16:04 ↗ Time uh remodeling the current city hall

16:07 ↗ for exclusive Police use for their space

16:10 ↗ needs and then leasing space for City

16:12 ↗ Hall council chambers and court so that

16:15 ↗ we can really phase this project and

16:17 ↗ then having a long-term goal of someday

16:19 ↗ also constructing a new city

16:23 ↗ hall um so now I'm going to turn it over

16:25 ↗ to um Deputy Administrator Snider to

16:27 ↗ talk a bit about the fire station

16:28 ↗ proposal

16:33 ↗ thank you director manahan uh so we've

16:35 ↗ been working on this fire station

16:37 ↗ relocation for several years now uh we

16:40 ↗ have identified the need for a new fire

16:42 ↗ station this is largely driven by the

16:44 ↗ growing community and the size of the

16:46 ↗ fire apparatus required to respond to

16:49 ↗ emergencies we need fire stations that

16:51 ↗ have Bays that are big enough for the

16:53 ↗ equipment we need to respond to fires uh

16:56 ↗ and currently fire station 71 does not

16:59 ↗ have Bays that are big enough for really

17:01 ↗ the equipment that we need so um uh as

17:06 ↗ you may recall we've been working with

17:07 ↗ state parks on a location there for a

17:10 ↗ fire station that work continues we've

17:13 ↗ been working with them for several years

17:15 ↗ now and we're still at least two years

17:17 ↗ away um for potentially getting land

17:20 ↗ control of a site at the state park and

17:23 ↗ um it's not it's not a done deal it's

17:25 ↗ not assured they still may not approve

17:27 ↗ of this request

17:30 ↗ and so as we're looking at our other

17:31 ↗ facility needs we've been constantly

17:33 ↗ assessing what are other good fire

17:35 ↗ station locations how can we meet this

17:38 ↗ need um and we look at the data for

17:40 ↗ response times so best overall City

17:43 ↗ response times again overall for the

17:45 ↗ city are from front and Gilman Street

17:48 ↗ and along Sunset that's what our

17:49 ↗ modeling has showed as we've partnered

17:51 ↗ with epher on this um and so we've been

17:54 ↗ continuously evaluating to try to find

17:56 ↗ how we can have the most responsive

17:58 ↗ service over overall for the city as a

18:00 ↗ whole as well as the lowest cost and

18:02 ↗ that's what's been really driving us in

18:04 ↗ looking for fire station

18:07 ↗ sites and so here uh we see a concept

18:12 ↗ for this very property that we're

18:15 ↗ sitting on as Autumn said was our

18:16 ↗ original fire station 71 location um we

18:20 ↗ wanted to see if it was possible to even

18:22 ↗ fit a modern fire station that's big

18:24 ↗ enough that has Bays that are big enough

18:26 ↗ to fit the equipment we need um and we

18:28 ↗ discovered it is it is big enough for

18:30 ↗ that uh so uh with the idea of moving

18:34 ↗ the municipal court to another location

18:36 ↗ um we could use this property to build a

18:39 ↗ new fire station 71 and the picture that

18:42 ↗ you're seeing is just a more urban model

18:45 ↗ of fire station so it would not be all

18:48 ↗ on one level um in order to fit on this

18:50 ↗ property it would be multiple stories to

18:52 ↗ be able to fit all of the needs so the

18:54 ↗ residences and dormitories for the

18:56 ↗ firefighters would be above uh the bay

18:58 ↗ for

19:01 ↗ example back to

19:07 ↗ Autumn so with the proposal of building

19:09 ↗ a fire station on this site we needed to

19:11 ↗ find a new home for Municipal Court uh

19:14 ↗ as well as move out our city hall

19:16 ↗ offices on the second floor of City Hall

19:18 ↗ so that we could give police the well-

19:20 ↗ needed space that they need so uh We've

19:23 ↗ also been looking into leasing options

19:25 ↗ which can reduce upfront costs also a

19:27 ↗ phase approach help helps with just

19:29 ↗ organizational capacity to do all of

19:30 ↗ these capital projects and we've started

19:33 ↗ some discussions with King County

19:34 ↗ District Court which operates a court on

19:36 ↗ the other side of town and amazingly

19:39 ↗ they have space so um we're in

19:41 ↗ discussions and we've done some tours

19:42 ↗ with them um they are looking into the

19:45 ↗ idea of leasing us a designated

19:47 ↗ courtroom that would be just for isqua

19:49 ↗ use a judge's Chambers a holding cells a

19:53 ↗ public window staff workspace this

19:56 ↗ facility was built as a court and it

19:57 ↗ fits our operation needs and so we're

19:59 ↗ quite excited about this opportunity um

20:02 ↗ we have expressed what our needs are as

20:03 ↗ far as square footage uh with King

20:06 ↗ County and they're right now working on

20:08 ↗ estimating those leasing costs for us so

20:09 ↗ we should have those numbers soon we're

20:11 ↗ also researching options for leasing

20:14 ↗ space for both City Hall and council

20:15 ↗ chambers and so uh that search does

20:17 ↗ still

20:20 ↗ continue as far as police station

20:23 ↗ Renovations um I I showed this slide at

20:26 ↗ your retreat in February but we've find

20:28 ↗ our estimates a bit further on what

20:30 ↗ Renovations are needed for that building

20:32 ↗ it includes seismic upgrades as well as

20:34 ↗ a midlife renovation that was identified

20:36 ↗ in our facilities condition assessment

20:38 ↗ and then tenant improvements for

20:40 ↗ police's operations and just overall

20:44 ↗ growth so here are just some very rough

20:47 ↗ order of magnitude cost estimates um

20:50 ↗ you've seen this number before for fire

20:51 ↗ station 71 it's about the same for this

20:53 ↗ site about 32 million the police

20:55 ↗ Renovations at about 15 million so

20:57 ↗ that's 4 $7 million for this first phase

21:00 ↗ of the project as far as leasing costs

21:03 ↗ we just took kind of market rate and

21:05 ↗ really estimated it probably be about a

21:06 ↗ million dollar a year for rent and then

21:09 ↗ 10 improvements upwards of $4 million um

21:12 ↗ again these are very rough order of

21:14 ↗ magnitude if council is interested in

21:15 ↗ pursuing this option further uh we would

21:18 ↗ need to do some more scoping and cost

21:19 ↗ estimating and come back to

21:24 ↗ you Autumn before you head out we've got

21:27 ↗ a question from council member marz yeah

21:29 ↗ a a couple of questions first off um uh

21:34 ↗ it seems like the the the size of this

21:37 ↗ building is smaller than the fire

21:40 ↗ station I was looking at it the fire

21:42 ↗ station's footprint is about 1,000

21:44 ↗ square meters and this entire parcel

21:47 ↗ including the courtyard in front is only

21:49 ↗ about 750 square meters so it seems like

21:53 ↗ a a smaller patch if you were going to

21:55 ↗ try to put a fire station in where the

21:57 ↗ where the current fire station is that's

21:59 ↗ the first

22:03 ↗ question U what we've done uh with our

22:06 ↗ architect is look at how to fit the

22:08 ↗ square footage uh we believe that we

22:10 ↗ need for this fire station onto each

22:12 ↗ site and I think the issue that we would

22:14 ↗ have with putting it on the loc on its

22:17 ↗ current location is really one around

22:19 ↗ parking and impeding on Memorial Park

22:21 ↗ and so as we look at the size of the bay

22:23 ↗ that would be needed um also the apron

22:27 ↗ the driveway getting into the Bay to be

22:29 ↗ able to maneuver the trucks in and out

22:30 ↗ off of sunset it would need to be a

22:32 ↗ little bit bigger um than certainly what

22:35 ↗ it is today and just didn't didn't fit

22:38 ↗ um well we would need to take over

22:39 ↗ pretty much all of that parking lot um

22:42 ↗ and maybe even get into uh a little bit

22:45 ↗ of Memorial Park especially as we look

22:47 ↗ at storm water control this site because

22:49 ↗ of the alley um and what would be the

22:52 ↗ egress on Sunset uh offers just a little

22:55 ↗ bit more maneuverability for the size of

22:57 ↗ apparatus and and um the bay and the

23:00 ↗ apron or driveway that we would need

23:03 ↗ okay but it seems like a much smaller

23:04 ↗ patch I mean it's literally the entire

23:07 ↗ property is less than the footprint of

23:09 ↗ the current station 71

23:12 ↗ build so if if station 71 is too small I

23:16 ↗ don't understand how going to a smaller

23:18 ↗ parcel would work and and if Council

23:20 ↗ would like us to provide um the other

23:23 ↗ kind of uh concept fit drawing for the

23:26 ↗ current location of fire station 7 we

23:28 ↗ can certainly do that at a later date so

23:30 ↗ you can see kind of how these things

23:32 ↗ compare with each other I would

23:34 ↗ definitely like to see that the other

23:36 ↗ question I have is what's the I don't

23:38 ↗ understand the rental what what would we

23:39 ↗ be renting to whom

23:44 ↗ where so the proposal is that we would

23:47 ↗ um lease space at King County District

23:50 ↗ Court for municipal court and then we

23:52 ↗ would be still searching for options to

23:55 ↗ relocate City Hall and council chambers

23:57 ↗ elsewhere so that work is still ongoing

23:59 ↗ and finding a location can you ring can

24:01 ↗ you with that slide up back up

24:03 ↗ please you're there a second the one the

24:06 ↗ one that showed a million dollars her

24:09 ↗ in had numbers there we go so leasing

24:13 ↗ cost City Hall and court so tenant

24:16 ↗ improvements someplace else so we would

24:18 ↗ do 4 million tenant improvements

24:20 ↗ someplace else and then spend a million

24:22 ↗ a year renting at that someplace

24:24 ↗ else I

24:25 ↗ see thank you yeah

24:31 ↗ okay looks like we can move

24:34 ↗ on great thank you uh so question

24:38 ↗ remains how how can we pay for these

24:41 ↗ facility

24:43 ↗ needs and uh the first part of our

24:47 ↗ proposal would be that we use existing

24:50 ↗ funds to help fund for the least

24:53 ↗ property expenses and that would be

24:55 ↗ again for City administration offices

24:57 ↗ and Municipal Court

24:58 ↗ uh we anticipate having approximately 10

25:02 ↗ to 15 million from the sale of City Hall

25:05 ↗ Northwest as well as our uh government

25:07 ↗ mitigation funds that we have um on hand

25:10 ↗ right now including the proceeds from

25:12 ↗ the Lakeside development agreement that

25:13 ↗ I know we've discussed a couple of times

25:15 ↗ over the past few years um so with that

25:17 ↗ money if we look at the $4 million in

25:20 ↗ estimate for the tenant improvements

25:22 ↗ these existing funds that we have uh are

25:24 ↗ anticipated to cover the lease cost for

25:26 ↗ 5 to 8 years or for the city

25:28 ↗ administration offices and the Municipal

25:42 ↗ Court um as we look at the financing

25:45 ↗ portion uh Bond versus Levy Council had

25:48 ↗ asked for a little bit more information

25:50 ↗ from our discussion last time about

25:51 ↗ these tools and so I'd like to go

25:54 ↗ through that tonight and then provide

25:55 ↗ the administration's recommendation on

25:57 ↗ how we would Finance our other Capital

25:58 ↗ needs uh for the construction of the

26:00 ↗ fire station and the um Police

26:03 ↗ Department Renovations so uh differences

26:06 ↗ between a voter approved Bond and a

26:08 ↗ single-ear uh Levy lid

26:11 ↗ lift the most important difference is

26:14 ↗ this top uh row right here which is that

26:17 ↗ um a single year Levy Li lift would

26:21 ↗ could be ongoing um but there's a cap on

26:25 ↗ how much of that Revenue can be used for

26:27 ↗ debt service and that cap is really 9

26:29 ↗ years so you can't use proceeds from a

26:32 ↗ levely lid lift towards Debt Service for

26:35 ↗ more than 9 years that's a state

26:38 ↗ law um that is really the main reason

26:42 ↗ and main difference here between a levy

26:45 ↗ lid lift and a voter approved Bond um

26:48 ↗ the voter approved Bond would be the

26:50 ↗ term would be limited to the life of the

26:52 ↗ bond so if we take out let's say a

26:54 ↗ 30-year Loan in order to pay for these

26:57 ↗ Capital expenses then the bond would

26:59 ↗ last that extra property tax would last

27:01 ↗ those 30 years and we could use that

27:02 ↗ Revenue to pay for that Debt Service um

27:06 ↗ if it's a 30-year loan we take out to

27:08 ↗ pay for the fire station ipd Renovations

27:11 ↗ um only nine years of Revenue with a

27:14 ↗ levy lid lift could we use to pay off

27:16 ↗ that debt service so we need to figure

27:18 ↗ out um what other funds what other

27:21 ↗ revenues we would have to pay off that

27:23 ↗ debt service if the city chose to

27:26 ↗ proceed with a levy Li lift

27:28 ↗ I want to pause there and just ask if

27:30 ↗ there's any questions because I think

27:32 ↗ that's the really the most important

27:33 ↗ difference and I'd love to go through

27:35 ↗ the other differences as

27:38 ↗ well M right since she paused um what's

27:41 ↗ the what what term of debt are we using

27:45 ↗ for our estimates our estimates are 30

27:48 ↗ years with 5% okay so the nine years it'

27:51 ↗ be get completely blown out got

27:55 ↗ it great um other key differences in

27:59 ↗ terms of uh what type of vote would pass

28:03 ↗ so uh for a voter approved Bond it

28:06 ↗ requires

28:07 ↗ 60% um of the vote with at least 40%

28:11 ↗ turnout from the last gubernatorial

28:13 ↗ election that's required to pass a bond

28:16 ↗ uh for a levied lift the bar is a little

28:19 ↗ lower with 50% plus one to pass and no

28:22 ↗ turnout

28:24 ↗ requirement uh bonds cannot be used to

28:27 ↗ replace

28:28 ↗ equipment um whereas Levy Li lifts can

28:31 ↗ be used for any general purpose again

28:33 ↗ with that exception of Debt Service

28:35 ↗ having a limit of 9

28:37 ↗ years um the bond is not subject to

28:41 ↗ State limits on the total property tax

28:43 ↗ rates so cities are limited in terms of

28:44 ↗ how much we can tax uh overall and the

28:47 ↗ bond can be in addition to that limit

28:50 ↗ whereas uh the levy lid lift is included

28:53 ↗ in those State limits on the property

28:55 ↗ tax rate

28:59 ↗ so in addition to using uh in addition

29:03 ↗ to

29:04 ↗ using existing funds to pay for those

29:06 ↗ leasing costs we're also uh recommending

29:10 ↗ using a bond uh for paying off those

29:15 ↗ Capital expenses and Debt Service our

29:18 ↗ estimates here show fire station 71

29:20 ↗ would have an annual Debt Service of a

29:22 ↗ little over $2 million the average

29:25 ↗ annual household impact would be 140 um

29:28 ↗ to determine average annual household

29:29 ↗ imp impact that's a home value of uh a

29:33 ↗ little over $1.1

29:36 ↗ million for the isqua police department

29:38 ↗ Renovations the annual Debt Service

29:40 ↗ would be uh 975,000

29:44 ↗ with uh an impact of about $66 annually

29:47 ↗ on that average isqua home so total you

29:51 ↗ can see 3 million uh in Debt Service uh

29:55 ↗ year and then the total impact uh on

29:59 ↗ isqua uh property taxpayers would be

30:01 ↗ about

30:02 ↗ $26 again these are all estimates rough

30:05 ↗ order of magnitude but we wanted to show

30:08 ↗ approximately what those impacts would

30:09 ↗ look like um over a 30 years of Debt

30:14 ↗ Service um in

30:16 ↗ addition uh the levy rate would increase

30:19 ↗ from 74 uh per thousand assessed value

30:23 ↗ to um 92 cents I see there's some

30:27 ↗ questions yeah yes indeed uh council

30:29 ↗ member Mars um okay so I'm I'm a little

30:32 ↗ confused on a on a million dooll house

30:35 ↗ that Levy rate would result in $740 to

30:39 ↗ $920 uh uh per year so what how does the

30:44 ↗ 206 relate to somewhere between 740 and

30:50 ↗ 9 I I can check my math we've used this

30:55 ↗ model and right but I mean a thousand

30:58 ↗ you know 74 $1,000 multiply that by ,000

31:01 ↗ you get

31:02 ↗ $740 right so I'm just trying to

31:05 ↗ understand how that that tells me that a

31:07 ↗ million dooll house would have uh a fee

31:09 ↗ of between $740 and

31:11 ↗ $920 but I see 206 under household

31:14 ↗ impact so why the

31:18 ↗ difference where's the rest of the

31:19 ↗ Andrea would it be the 920 minus the

31:25 ↗ 740 oh that's not a r 92 I'm sorry range

31:31 ↗ somewhere that's where it's increasing

31:33 ↗ from I'm sorry thank you so the 74 is

31:37 ↗ what we what people pay today 092 is

31:40 ↗ what they would pay with this and so

31:41 ↗ it's the difference between the two so

31:44 ↗ there's a levy currently that's what is

31:46 ↗ the 74 per thou assess that's that's the

31:50 ↗ existing property tax levy and there's

31:51 ↗ additional slides coming up that get a

31:53 ↗ little bit further that 74 is our

31:56 ↗ current rate of property tax and so it

31:59 ↗ would increase from 74

32:02 ↗ to92 thank you I thought that was just a

32:05 ↗ range of variable range that we weren't

32:07 ↗ sure exactly how much increase okay

32:09 ↗ Perils of math thank you

32:13 ↗ indeed other

32:16 ↗ questions

32:17 ↗ okay um so this next slide Compares

32:20 ↗ those existing rates these are all the

32:22 ↗ 2024 Levy rates from our peer cities and

32:24 ↗ neighboring cities as you can see isqua

32:28 ↗ um is the lowest among our peers listed

32:31 ↗ here at 74 per ,000 of assessed

32:38 ↗ value oh and I should say that if we

32:41 ↗ were to um increase the tax to pay for

32:44 ↗ these Capital needs it would really put

32:46 ↗ us between Redmond and Kirkland at that

32:48 ↗ 0.92

32:50 ↗ uh

32:53 ↗ amount so again just reiterating our

32:55 ↗ funding recommendations and how we would

32:57 ↗ fund these facility needs uh that we

32:59 ↗ would fund the office and Court leases

33:01 ↗ with existing funds that we have from

33:03 ↗ the sale of uh City Hall Northwest as

33:05 ↗ well as our government mitigation funds

33:08 ↗ and then um we would plan for a voter

33:11 ↗ approved bond to provide for Public

33:13 ↗ Safety

33:17 ↗ facilities next steps uh we would return

33:20 ↗ to council to discuss uh an update on

33:23 ↗ Leasing and Partnerships also public

33:26 ↗ engagement plan on these projects and

33:28 ↗ any potential ballot measure we want to

33:30 ↗ discuss what that would look like with

33:32 ↗ you what our plan is um and then of

33:35 ↗ course we would bring back refined cost

33:37 ↗ and scoping as we have that information

33:40 ↗ available are there any

33:46 ↗ questions Deputy council president D

33:48 ↗ Michelle thanks so let's start with the

33:51 ↗ fire

33:52 ↗ station um if we tear down this building

33:56 ↗ and we put a fire station here that's uh

33:58 ↗ I would call that a 100-year decision

34:00 ↗ it's going to be here for a long time

34:02 ↗ and so the you know the one data point

34:05 ↗ we've gotten is response times response

34:07 ↗ times are good we didn't see any actual

34:09 ↗ figures to to help us understand that

34:12 ↗ but that was the one data point that we

34:14 ↗ were presented do we know that that

34:18 ↗ response time is going to be good 25

34:20 ↗ years from now 30 years from now 50

34:22 ↗ years from now and uh what is going to

34:26 ↗ happen to this street Street out here

34:28 ↗ with

34:30 ↗ larger um vehicles and I mean un and

34:34 ↗ certainly we can't predict everything

34:36 ↗ but I would think that a part of our

34:38 ↗ thinking is is this location going to

34:40 ↗ serveice well for the next 100 years

34:43 ↗ because it's going to be here and uh I

34:47 ↗ don't see any of that kind of data or

34:50 ↗ projections or uh anything being

34:53 ↗ presented to us so what's the thinking

34:56 ↗ there in terms of the long range

34:59 ↗ consequences of placing a fire station

35:02 ↗ on a very very busy street in central

35:05 ↗ isqua thank you for that question I'm

35:08 ↗ wondering if Chief Ben Lane uh could

35:10 ↗ help provide some insights into what was

35:13 ↗ used with the modeling uh to determine

35:15 ↗ response times we work with Eastside

35:18 ↗ fire and rescue to understand what their

35:20 ↗ response time data is and for them to

35:22 ↗ model this out for us and I see he's

35:25 ↗ there on

35:26 ↗ camera yeah good evening Council can you

35:28 ↗ hear me

35:29 ↗ okay yes we can thanks all right to

35:34 ↗ answer the question on uh how East Side

35:36 ↗ Fire and Rescue uses data for our uh

35:39 ↗ planning

35:40 ↗ purposes so in collaboration with the

35:42 ↗ city around this discussion for the fire

35:44 ↗ station we looked at data over the last

35:46 ↗ four and a half years and we totaled

35:48 ↗ just shy of 19,000 calls and we we pin

35:52 ↗ mapped those calls throughout the

35:54 ↗ service area and then we compared the

35:57 ↗ station location the current station

35:59 ↗ location to some proposed locations

36:02 ↗ specifically East Lake Sam um site in

36:06 ↗ addition to that we looked um at Future

36:09 ↗ planning where I know that

36:12 ↗ um Andrea mentioned that uh the the best

36:16 ↗ location is sort of that front and

36:18 ↗ sunset spot where there certainly is no

36:21 ↗ land available so we default to the

36:23 ↗ current location and we feel confident

36:26 ↗ that based off of the current call

36:28 ↗ volume and the projected growth at least

36:31 ↗ what the city has on the docket that

36:34 ↗ this fire station would would serve the

36:36 ↗ city both today and in the

36:41 ↗ future uh just a followup uh you know

36:43 ↗ for years I've heard that we needed to

36:46 ↗ move the fire station out of central

36:48 ↗ isqua we needed to move it North to

36:50 ↗ serve uh the northern part of isqua and

36:54 ↗ so this came is sort of a surprise that

36:56 ↗ all of a sudden we're back here on on

36:59 ↗ Sunset with this uh proposal and I

37:02 ↗ realize that land is hard to find but um

37:06 ↗ again this is a 100-year decision we're

37:08 ↗ going to make and we want to make sure

37:10 ↗ that it's going to be what we want and

37:12 ↗ what we need for the long term and uh

37:15 ↗ I'm I you know I realize you've got data

37:17 ↗ on current response times but we have to

37:21 ↗ be figuring out is this going to is this

37:24 ↗ uh location going to last us is it going

37:27 ↗ going to be effective into the

37:30 ↗ future city

37:32 ↗ administrator uh as Andrea has mentioned

37:35 ↗ uh this is a project that has been in

37:37 ↗ discussion for uh a few years before

37:40 ↗ I've been here and I've been here almost

37:41 ↗ five and so what we did once the

37:44 ↗ pandemic settled was go back to East

37:46 ↗ Side Fire and Rescue and and start again

37:49 ↗ with the discussions about the fire

37:50 ↗ station and the assumptions that were

37:53 ↗ made um the discussions that were pre2

37:57 ↗ 19 about moving the fire station further

38:00 ↗ north uh we came to discover was under

38:03 ↗ sort of a different set of uh uh

38:05 ↗ parameters where that station would not

38:08 ↗ only serve continue to serve isqua but

38:10 ↗ would also serve other parts North

38:12 ↗ within the East Side Fire and Rescue

38:14 ↗ area and so as we look to move the

38:16 ↗ station keep the station at this

38:18 ↗ location um we will continue to very

38:21 ↗ well serve isqua I think there continues

38:23 ↗ to be challenges in samamish uh and they

38:25 ↗ are also facing uh questions about

38:28 ↗ additional resources that they need so

38:30 ↗ under those pre 20109 discussions I

38:33 ↗ think the uh an additional isqua station

38:36 ↗ was looked at as helping

38:38 ↗ samamish and so now as we're moving it

38:40 ↗ further south keeping it here um we feel

38:43 ↗ as I think Chief Lane has said very

38:45 ↗ comfortable that is quite well taken

38:47 ↗ care of uh it then I think provides

38:49 ↗ additional discussions for the city of

38:51 ↗ samamish as to what they'll be doing uh

38:54 ↗ with their fire stations and the need

38:56 ↗ for perhaps an additional fire station

38:58 ↗ one uh part of this discussion uh

39:02 ↗ looking at the reconstitution of a fire

39:04 ↗ station here making it larger will

39:06 ↗ hopefully keep us from having to build

39:08 ↗ an additional fire station in isqua at

39:10 ↗ some other location in the future so um

39:13 ↗ as we've kind of sharpened the pencil uh

39:16 ↗ when we came to the conclusion that

39:17 ↗ finding another piece of property was

39:19 ↗ becoming nearly impossible uh this is

39:22 ↗ what we learned in talking with the East

39:24 ↗ Side Fire and Rescue and chief Lane

39:26 ↗ please correct me if you feel I've

39:27 ↗ misstated anything about the discussions

39:30 ↗ sort of the the macro discussions we've

39:32 ↗ had over the last couple of years as

39:35 ↗ we've kind of made that assessment of

39:37 ↗ what isqua needs are versus perhaps

39:40 ↗ needs further to the

39:43 ↗ north no those are accurate

39:48 ↗ statements okay anything else on

39:54 ↗ that great maybe we stay on fire for a

39:58 ↗ second uh council member m we never want

40:01 ↗ to be on fire it's really a bad place to

40:03 ↗ be um so I I was kind of uh intrigued

40:07 ↗ with the idea that um we don't have

40:11 ↗ enough space within fire station 71 for

40:13 ↗ large equipment because we have our

40:15 ↗ largest piece of equipment as I

40:17 ↗ understand it the the tiller is kind of

40:18 ↗ based there is there a vision that

40:20 ↗ there's something um some apparatus

40:22 ↗ that's still larger that we would need

40:25 ↗ to house because that's a big rig

40:29 ↗ your thoughts I this

40:31 ↗ one yeah so your your statement is

40:35 ↗ correct our tillered ladder truck is our

40:37 ↗ largest piece of equipment that is

40:38 ↗ currently housed at station

40:40 ↗ 71 it's also important to note that

40:43 ↗ there was a retrofit to allow that

40:47 ↗ particular unit to fit in the center

40:49 ↗ apparatus Bay with only inches of

40:51 ↗ clearance um our angle of departure so

40:54 ↗ the crew has to if you see them during

40:56 ↗ busy uh travel hours during the day they

40:59 ↗ have to back the unit inside the station

41:02 ↗ because we're not able to drive through

41:05 ↗ um and then it would it prevents us from

41:08 ↗ future specs of an apparatus where we

41:11 ↗ had to where where they may very well be

41:14 ↗ the need to expand that unit right now

41:18 ↗ it's a single axle tractor drawn aerial

41:21 ↗ uh ladder truck um and given the size of

41:26 ↗ the building we could not look at a

41:27 ↗ tandem axle which is um probably the

41:31 ↗ more popular tractor drawn aerial

41:33 ↗ resource so yes are currently our

41:36 ↗ largest apparatuses there today but

41:38 ↗ there are some significant barriers and

41:40 ↗ it certainly prevents us from

41:43 ↗ potentially specking the apparatus

41:45 ↗ that's most appropriate in the future

41:46 ↗ for the

41:47 ↗ city great thanks um one one followup on

41:51 ↗ fire but this is more of a facilities

41:53 ↗ thing did we look at what it would take

41:54 ↗ to

41:56 ↗ remodel uh 71 as opposed to uh move and

42:06 ↗ raise yes is the short answer and we

42:10 ↗ still need more space um so we can

42:14 ↗ provide that fit diagram that I

42:15 ↗ mentioned earlier so you can compare uh

42:18 ↗ that but really the concern is we would

42:20 ↗ need to um consume some of the current

42:24 ↗ parking space which would then um that's

42:27 ↗ also serving the police station um and

42:31 ↗ we may need also more space um in

42:34 ↗ addition to that parking area uh to

42:37 ↗ accommodate the apparatus that we're

42:39 ↗ hoping to house the new Fire

42:43 ↗ Station uh council member

42:46 ↗ Hall a quick followup to that and my

42:49 ↗ understanding too is even if we did

42:50 ↗ remodel that station we would still have

42:52 ↗ to tear it all the way down is that

42:55 ↗ right yes due to the type of

42:58 ↗ construction it's very difficult to just

42:59 ↗ do a simple renovation Chief Lane talked

43:02 ↗ about the um expansion that we did to

43:05 ↗ try to fit the lad apparatus that's

43:08 ↗ there and so um it it would be very

43:11 ↗ difficult to work with what we have um

43:14 ↗ that building's also aging it also like

43:16 ↗ many of the other City buildings is not

43:18 ↗ in great condition um we do have the

43:20 ↗ need for dormatory space um for our um

43:25 ↗ for our responders as well so we would

43:27 ↗ need to make sure that the facility

43:29 ↗ meets current standards and and it would

43:32 ↗ take it's not practical or feasible to

43:35 ↗ just do a renovation we would likely

43:37 ↗ have to level it and construct

43:41 ↗ new anyone else on

43:45 ↗ fire

43:47 ↗ fantastic uh council member

43:49 ↗ Marts um how old is station

43:55 ↗ 71 I'm looking over to

43:57 ↗ Genie to see if she recalls it's not off

44:01 ↗ the top of her head we'll have to come

44:02 ↗ back to you with that

44:04 ↗ information unless Chief Lane knows and

44:06 ↗ I'm guessing he probably doesn't either

44:09 ↗ okay okay we'll we'll look for that

44:11 ↗ information while uh council member Hall

44:14 ↗ is quickly trying to search for it I can

44:16 ↗ see I can read you yeah uh Deputy

44:20 ↗ council president D Michelle okay uh

44:23 ↗ thank you um so I had a little angst

44:25 ↗ about the picture that was in the

44:27 ↗ presentation um and I think we've got to

44:30 ↗ be very careful about the images that we

44:32 ↗ are putting out even at this stage of

44:34 ↗ the game because I'm hopeful that if we

44:36 ↗ built a brand new fire station here that

44:38 ↗ it would be designed to fit into the Old

44:42 ↗ Town look and um so I would hope that we

44:46 ↗ would not put out any more of those

44:49 ↗ kinds of photos it was a little bit like

44:52 ↗ whoa we're going to have this huge

44:54 ↗ structure here um multi story and uh and

44:59 ↗ I don't think we want an industrial type

45:01 ↗ look to that so I just want to mention

45:04 ↗ that um and then uh so I I think that if

45:08 ↗ we're thinking about doing this we have

45:10 ↗ to be really responsive to how is the

45:13 ↗ business community on Front Street

45:15 ↗ feeling about it how is the Creative

45:17 ↗ Arts District feeling about it we've got

45:19 ↗ a lot going on in this old historic part

45:21 ↗ of Isa and so uh any any major new

45:26 ↗ building like that I think it's got to

45:28 ↗ fit into the character of this downtown

45:30 ↗ area do you have a question on that or

45:33 ↗ oh do you agree with

45:36 ↗ me okay Deputy council president D

45:39 ↗ Michelle any building that's constructed

45:41 ↗ in the Oldtown area would need to comply

45:42 ↗ with our design standards so that was

45:44 ↗ just meant as a visual to say that it it

45:47 ↗ will have to be multi stories in order

45:49 ↗ to fit onto this property but there's a

45:51 ↗ lot more work that needs to be done many

45:53 ↗ more conversations with the community

45:55 ↗ about what they would like to see in a

45:57 ↗ fire station and as I said before

45:59 ↗ certainly the design standards would

46:04 ↗ apply council member Joe I had a court

46:08 ↗ question for Ray to move on to that all

46:11 ↗ let uh council member hul one more fire

46:14 ↗ question so um what would happen if all

46:17 ↗ of the sudden the state parks are

46:18 ↗ interested again um is at that point

46:21 ↗ would we want to and and we're going

46:23 ↗ down the path of building station 71

46:27 ↗ would we re-evaluate at that point or

46:29 ↗ are we sold that this

46:33 ↗ is is like this could serve isqua but

46:37 ↗ also we're members of an organization

46:39 ↗ that supports an entire service area and

46:41 ↗ if we can create efficiencies for

46:42 ↗ multiple jurisdictions without

46:44 ↗ decreasing level of service here in

46:46 ↗ isqua is that something so I guess this

46:48 ↗ is a roundabout way of saying would we

46:50 ↗ reevaluate at that point if they were

46:51 ↗ open or would we be would we be happy

46:53 ↗ where we are I I believe the key thing

46:56 ↗ that you said is that we want to make

46:57 ↗ sure that we wouldn't result in a

46:59 ↗ decrease in overall times for isqua I

47:01 ↗ think as we look at the system uh

47:04 ↗ systemwide including samamish a station

47:07 ↗ in the north tends to make a lot of

47:09 ↗ sense but if we look at really just

47:12 ↗ isqua um specific response times overall

47:17 ↗ uh the northern location starts to make

47:20 ↗ less sense but one of the reasons why we

47:21 ↗ were looking at it was also because we

47:24 ↗ wanted to be able to find a site where

47:25 ↗ the land could be free and we've been

47:29 ↗ working with state parks on perhaps a

47:30 ↗ land exchange between city-owned land

47:33 ↗ and State Park land for that site and so

47:36 ↗ as we're still looking to build the fire

47:38 ↗ station on land that is free that's one

47:40 ↗ of the reasons why we also thought that

47:42 ↗ this um location that we're standing in

47:44 ↗ would be a good a good site um state

47:47 ↗ parks it's not a matter of necessarily

47:51 ↗ their their interest um there's a lot of

47:54 ↗ process with the state parks uh one part

47:57 ↗ of that process for example the state

47:59 ↗ parks has no control over and that

48:01 ↗ includes National Park Service approval

48:03 ↗ due to how that property was acquired um

48:06 ↗ they need to take this to the federal

48:08 ↗ level and get approval there and um

48:11 ↗ there is there's no estimate for how

48:13 ↗ long that's going to take at this point

48:17 ↗ so um it's not even really entirely in

48:20 ↗ the hands of the state park system to

48:22 ↗ make this decision either okay thank you

48:25 ↗ that's very helpful

48:27 ↗ so one second do you have another fire

48:29 ↗ station okay council member Marts I'll

48:32 ↗ come back to you eventually station 71

48:35 ↗ was built in

48:37 ↗ 1969 uh it's a woodframe structure my

48:40 ↗ house was built in 1974 it's a wood

48:42 ↗ frame frame structure I'm pretty sure it

48:44 ↗ can be renovated so I I would need to

48:47 ↗ understand more why this is an automatic

48:49 ↗ tear down um 1969 is not ancient and uh

48:54 ↗ I I would I would imagine the folks in

48:55 ↗ 1969 thought this was a 100-year

48:57 ↗ decision and they were building that

48:59 ↗ fire station so I you know I need to

49:02 ↗ understand more about why we have to if

49:04 ↗ automatically have to tear down that

49:05 ↗ station thank you great and we can

49:08 ↗ return with that information more

49:09 ↗ information from the architect thank

49:13 ↗ you okay I'm going to say we can move on

49:17 ↗ to City Hall Court other areas of

49:20 ↗ questions starting with council member

49:22 ↗ Joe thank you council president um

49:25 ↗ question I had about um the court was

49:29 ↗ has there been a conversation with the

49:32 ↗ district court to have um our Council

49:36 ↗ meetings at the court

49:38 ↗ Chambers and or has there been

49:40 ↗ conversation with the school district to

49:42 ↗ use their facility for our Council means

49:45 ↗ just as I travel through the greater

49:48 ↗ counties uh they're using those

49:50 ↗ facilities interchangeably sometimes in

49:51 ↗ a number of the different cities so I

49:53 ↗ was just curious as to what has been

49:55 ↗ done there

49:59 ↗ uh short answer is yes I've been

50:00 ↗ shopping um so there's a few options for

50:03 ↗ council chambers a lot of it depends on

50:05 ↗ where we end up with City Hall um so you

50:08 ↗ know I've been collecting several

50:09 ↗ options several of them include

50:10 ↗ partnering with with agencies to find

50:13 ↗ space for council chambers we also have

50:15 ↗ Tibbits U Manor so that is another

50:17 ↗ option we could renovate that space uh

50:20 ↗ put in a Di and make that more of a

50:21 ↗ public meeting space uh for Council um

50:24 ↗ so yes there's several options that that

50:26 ↗ are on our list that we're looking

50:28 ↗ at yeah my only thought was that uh the

50:31 ↗ school district would probably be very

50:33 ↗ gracious in allowing us to hold our

50:35 ↗ Council means there and the if we're

50:37 ↗ renting out the court space anyway it

50:39 ↗ wouldn't be too much of an add-on in

50:41 ↗ terms of cost to do uh Council means ER

50:44 ↗ so I'm glad you're exploring all those

50:46 ↗ options thank

50:49 ↗ you looking around it other Quest oh man

50:53 ↗ all of y'all okay I'll just keep going

50:56 ↗ around Deputy council president D

51:00 ↗ Michelle um so earlier we had quite a

51:04 ↗ discussion about how important it was to

51:06 ↗ have the court next to the police

51:09 ↗ station and um so you know I think I'd

51:13 ↗ really like to hear from uh Chief Schwan

51:15 ↗ about that but and in the document or

51:18 ↗ the packet that you gave us it said

51:20 ↗ distance can be mitigated but I'd like

51:23 ↗ to hear what kind of mitigations we're

51:25 ↗ thinking about and and and how did we

51:28 ↗ come to the conclusion that it would be

51:30 ↗ okay to not have the municipal court

51:33 ↗ next to the police station so I I don't

51:36 ↗ know if Chief Schwan wants to answer

51:38 ↗ that or if you'd like to answer it yeah

51:40 ↗ Chief Schwan uh joined us tonight just

51:41 ↗ anticipating those questions because we

51:43 ↗ definitely did talk about there is

51:45 ↗ efficiencies in locating court and PD

51:47 ↗ together and we have for so long um but

51:50 ↗ there are also so many other benefits to

51:52 ↗ uh locating at King County District

51:53 ↗ Court uh and just from a customers

51:55 ↗ perspective and we have Christy sha on

51:57 ↗ as well um our court administrator who

52:00 ↗ can talk to this too but we have a lot

52:02 ↗ of customers who are confused on which

52:03 ↗ court they're going to and so if we

52:04 ↗ collocate that is enhancing customer

52:07 ↗ service that was another benefit as well

52:09 ↗ but um I'll turn it to Chief Schwan to

52:10 ↗ start

52:12 ↗ with thank you autum and thanks council

52:16 ↗ members um the biggest thing I know we

52:19 ↗ talked about the court close to jail and

52:23 ↗ police department was a big deal and

52:25 ↗ helpful was

52:27 ↗ um a lot of it was the services and the

52:29 ↗ ability

52:31 ↗ that currently there is no holding cell

52:34 ↗ which that does have what's provided at

52:36 ↗ the next location um the prospective

52:40 ↗ location I say in the other court it's

52:42 ↗ got space for jurors it's a lot more

52:44 ↗ safer for everybody because the security

52:47 ↗ well um we do have transport a lot of

52:50 ↗ what video cour done lately um is you

52:55 ↗ know changed some of that process of

52:58 ↗ Court needing to be so much closer to

53:00 ↗ the police department because it's very

53:04 ↗ um limited these days how many remands

53:07 ↗ they actually have when there's in

53:08 ↗ person and that has changed that

53:11 ↗ dramatically since CO as well um so and

53:15 ↗ right now currently even being across

53:16 ↗ the street we've still had to literally

53:19 ↗ drive to get someone or someone picked

53:21 ↗ up whereas have to do the same across

53:25 ↗ the uh Chief Schwan you're breaking up a

53:27 ↗ little bit so I can help translate if

53:29 ↗ you didn't quite catch

53:31 ↗ that um and so several benefits one is

53:34 ↗ having holding cells over at King County

53:36 ↗ District Court and so there's not an

53:37 ↗ immediate need to pick someone up so

53:40 ↗ they can they can be in the holding cell

53:41 ↗ until PD arrives for transport um and

53:44 ↗ also right now currently they still have

53:46 ↗ to uh bring someone over in a vehicle so

53:48 ↗ they can't they don't just walk them

53:49 ↗ over across the street they have to be

53:51 ↗ in a vehicle and so they're already

53:52 ↗ doing that load and unload process it's

53:54 ↗ just a matter of driving over to the

53:55 ↗ district court

53:57 ↗ and uh with with virtual court now um

54:00 ↗ especially during covid that has been

54:02 ↗ very much perfected in its operations

54:04 ↗ and so there's a lot less transport

54:05 ↗ that's

54:09 ↗ happening okay uh council member

54:13 ↗ Ray thanks I have a couple of questions

54:15 ↗ about the alignment to goals chart

54:18 ↗ because I I appreciate the the insights

54:21 ↗ on why Steward of public dollars and

54:23 ↗ customer service were not viewed

54:26 ↗ um as positively for option b um and if

54:31 ↗ and this is what I think I heard I'm

54:33 ↗ paraphrasing but because there weren't

54:35 ↗ any really viable options there um it

54:37 ↗ wasn't going to be cost- effective and

54:39 ↗ it wasn't going to provide good customer

54:40 ↗ service so the reality of it is there

54:42 ↗ really is no option b i mean I think

54:45 ↗ this is kind of kind of trying to give

54:46 ↗ us a false sense of comparison and I

54:48 ↗ don't think it's real because I think

54:50 ↗ customer service could be just as good

54:52 ↗ in the core and I think that um it would

54:55 ↗ probably be better uses of

54:56 ↗ of City dollars if we were in the core

54:59 ↗ so I think those are um I find this

55:03 ↗ objectionable so because it you're

55:05 ↗ you're telling me you're making a

55:06 ↗ comparison and it's not real so I'm

55:08 ↗ seeing nods okay and the comparison's

55:11 ↗ gotten a lot harder as we've done our

55:13 ↗ shopping and looked around and there

55:14 ↗ just there aren't viable options um we

55:17 ↗ as we know we're very limited in

55:18 ↗ property for anything from Parks to

55:21 ↗ facilities to a fire station so um in

55:24 ↗ doing that work we we did not find very

55:26 ↗ viable options okay couple other

55:29 ↗ questions how many people are we looking

55:30 ↗ for lease Spas

55:32 ↗ 4 and maybe it's um it can be expressed

55:36 ↗ in terms of full week equivalence so

55:40 ↗ recognizing we have people working

55:41 ↗ remotely but I mean how many how big is

55:44 ↗ this yeah I I can get you those numbers

55:47 ↗ um and so I can report back on those but

55:49 ↗ but generally what we're looking at and

55:51 ↗ again um it's it's pretty fluid right

55:53 ↗ now just because we're looking at what

55:55 ↗ options are available as far as as Space

55:57 ↗ versus before when we were doing space

55:59 ↗ planning and say this is how much we

56:00 ↗ would need and how much we would build

56:02 ↗ um but right now what the goals are are

56:04 ↗ replacing the top floor of City Hall um

56:08 ↗ as well as the um Community Planning and

56:10 ↗ Development inspectors are currently

56:12 ↗ operating out of Tibbits so moving them

56:14 ↗ as well as the permit Center that's over

56:16 ↗ in the eagle room right now um so those

56:19 ↗ are the main city hall functions as well

56:21 ↗ as we talked about earlier moving

56:22 ↗ council chambers so I can get you um I

56:25 ↗ can get you the total ft ease of what

56:26 ↗ that is that'd be awesome okay and then

56:28 ↗ do we have a I mean we we laid out the

56:31 ↗ public safety plan the $47 million

56:34 ↗ what's the long and and the lease plan

56:36 ↗ of the5 to8 million what's the what's

56:39 ↗ the long-term plan for City Hall look

56:42 ↗ like I mean is there is there a

56:43 ↗ long-term plan for City Hall I think

56:45 ↗ there's a lot of work to still be done

56:46 ↗ on what the long-term plan is we would

56:48 ↗ have available property next door to the

56:51 ↗ police station in the future for say

56:53 ↗ Phase 2 um so that's one option again I

56:56 ↗ think the next steps will be um figuring

56:59 ↗ out a financing plan for that so the

57:02 ↗ option you're seeing tonight is is

57:04 ↗ really a way for us to start this

57:06 ↗ process and and uh package something

57:09 ↗ that um that really gets us started on a

57:12 ↗ path towards a full Oldtown

57:15 ↗ campus thank

57:18 ↗ you um council member

57:22 ↗ hall right and in that five to eight

57:25 ↗ years we do say we do find something

57:28 ↗ that we could purchase and renovate then

57:30 ↗ that could plan or we do identify a new

57:33 ↗ Revenue source for building and

57:35 ↗ realizing this vision for a municipal

57:37 ↗ that what you mean like during that

57:39 ↗ will yes yes and really you know as I've

57:43 ↗ been talking with co-workers this just

57:44 ↗ feels like a chessboard and it just

57:47 ↗ feels like we need to move a few pieces

57:48 ↗ just to get started on this project

57:50 ↗ because it is so massive and we have so

57:52 ↗ many facility needs and so uh that's why

57:55 ↗ we're coming back to you with this pH

57:56 ↗ approach of starting some of this with

57:58 ↗ the priority around Public

57:59 ↗ Safety and mad counc president members

58:02 ↗ of the council you know we've had to

58:04 ↗ come to face to face with a real

58:07 ↗ difficult reality and that is we do not

58:09 ↗ have money for General government and if

58:11 ↗ we go to the residents of isqua and ask

58:13 ↗ for money we're not going to get it at

58:15 ↗ least where we currently sit and so

58:17 ↗ that's really hard uh for us it's really

58:20 ↗ hard for any Community we we are going

58:22 ↗ to be among the first that are basically

58:24 ↗ saying um you know there are other

58:26 ↗ Municipal functions that are a higher

58:28 ↗ priority and making sure we have a

58:30 ↗ stable and effective police department

58:32 ↗ and a stable and effective fire service

58:35 ↗ uh trumps the ability for us to have

58:38 ↗ nice offices for people like me Autumn

58:41 ↗ and Andrea uh to sit and talk look at

58:44 ↗ computer screens um wish that wasn't the

58:47 ↗ case we really really do um and so we

58:51 ↗ want to make it clear that there is no

58:53 ↗ you know you know other plans stuck in a

58:56 ↗ drawer somewhere that's going to be

58:57 ↗ whipped out with this wonderful

58:59 ↗ beautiful new city hall um there just

59:02 ↗ isn't because there is no money and

59:04 ↗ there is no in our estimation uh voter

59:07 ↗ appetite to provide money for that but

59:10 ↗ as as Autumn has mentioned uh we will

59:12 ↗ have that site we as proposed the the

59:15 ↗ existing fire station site um for some

59:17 ↗ point later in the future but you know

59:20 ↗ to put General government in leas space

59:22 ↗ we've looked around to see what other

59:23 ↗ examples uh there are the region there

59:26 ↗ aren't very many quite honestly because

59:28 ↗ it's just not something you do but we

59:30 ↗ are in such a critical stage uh with the

59:33 ↗ police department with the facilities

59:35 ↗ that they have um you know the request

59:37 ↗ from Eastside fire and rescue to move

59:39 ↗ forward with uh different facilities for

59:41 ↗ them you know we're at this point we

59:43 ↗ really don't have a choice and as Autumn

59:44 ↗ has said um we don't feel comfortable

59:47 ↗ spinning around anymore that we really

59:49 ↗ need to move forward uh but with that is

59:51 ↗ the unfortunate uh conclusion uh the

59:54 ↗ general government is at the the bottom

59:56 ↗ of the list and uh we'll have to deal

59:58 ↗ with it at some later

1:00:02 ↗ Point thank you um sorry that was kind

1:00:05 ↗ of a follow-up question but my real

1:00:07 ↗ question real final question is this um

1:00:10 ↗ and maybe it's for the deput city

1:00:12 ↗ administrator I'm just curious how let's

1:00:14 ↗ say we do move forward with a bond we

1:00:17 ↗ want to put something on the ballot how

1:00:18 ↗ might this impact our future

1:00:20 ↗ consideration of a Park District kind of

1:00:22 ↗ the kind of ongoing conversations that

1:00:24 ↗ we have out of the old capital Finance

1:00:26 ↗ Community course yes thank you for that

1:00:29 ↗ question uh so we have been talking to

1:00:33 ↗ council about potential for a Parks

1:00:35 ↗ District that was always meant to be in

1:00:37 ↗ a little bit of a longer term time frame

1:00:40 ↗ that's what the Capital Finance

1:00:41 ↗ Community task force had recommended and

1:00:43 ↗ subsequent conversations with Council um

1:00:46 ↗ about that as well and so um in terms of

1:00:51 ↗ it really has to deal with voter

1:00:52 ↗ aptitude and what the voters would

1:00:54 ↗ support and so

1:00:56 ↗ um we would need to address that then

1:00:58 ↗ but a a ballot measure Now does not um

1:01:02 ↗ necessarily prevent us from going back

1:01:04 ↗ to the voters at a future

1:01:11 ↗ date I'm going to jump on because my

1:01:14 ↗ question is very similar on that

1:01:17 ↗ um if we're looking at a 30-year bond to

1:01:21 ↗ pay for fire station

1:01:24 ↗ 71 and don't really have a plan right

1:01:27 ↗ now for a new city hall is their concern

1:01:32 ↗ that we wouldn't be able to go back to

1:01:34 ↗ voters within a 30-year period to borrow

1:01:38 ↗ for a city hall no there's no concern so

1:01:43 ↗ so cities typically isqua included we

1:01:46 ↗ can take on different different types of

1:01:48 ↗ debt within within that uh time frame so

1:01:51 ↗ it's not just that this is our one bond

1:01:53 ↗ for 30 years and we're not doing any

1:01:54 ↗ other types of financing

1:01:56 ↗ um we we would be able to take on

1:01:59 ↗ additional debt as long as we identify

1:02:01 ↗ how we're going to pay for

1:02:05 ↗ it toward that idea could we get a

1:02:09 ↗ history of when our property taxes

1:02:14 ↗ increased because of voter approved

1:02:17 ↗ items so that we can get a sense of how

1:02:21 ↗ we have regularly done that yes and we

1:02:24 ↗ can look into the future as well

1:02:26 ↗ so we can come back with that

1:02:28 ↗ information

1:02:30 ↗ okay council member Mark oh uh council

1:02:33 ↗ member Deputy council president Deon sh

1:02:35 ↗ you had a well one quick question and

1:02:38 ↗ then uh um going back to the the that

1:02:43 ↗ discussion um I what are we thinking

1:02:46 ↗ about in terms of where Human Services

1:02:48 ↗ would would land um in this overall uh

1:02:52 ↗ planning that we're doing and um and

1:02:55 ↗ then the other

1:02:56 ↗ is really

1:03:00 ↗ um I guess do we have a plan a plan B

1:03:03 ↗ and plan C or if plan a is that plan A

1:03:07 ↗ would be we're going to for an interim

1:03:10 ↗ period uh lease uh a place for

1:03:13 ↗ administrative offices and so forth but

1:03:16 ↗ the long range plan would be to to find

1:03:19 ↗ a place to build a city hall Plan B

1:03:22 ↗ would

1:03:23 ↗ be what you know do we have alternative

1:03:27 ↗ future lines that we're looking at

1:03:30 ↗ because we could uh lease uh a place and

1:03:35 ↗ then not be able to pass a bond and and

1:03:38 ↗ maybe we're stuck in least offices for

1:03:42 ↗ 20 years instead of seven or eight you

1:03:44 ↗ see what I'm saying is what is the I

1:03:47 ↗ guess what are the paths forward that

1:03:49 ↗ we're trying to lay out

1:03:52 ↗ here Autumn did you want to try to take

1:03:54 ↗ a stab at that

1:03:56 ↗ I'll try in then Autumn can can uh these

1:03:59 ↗ are all very difficult questions um

1:04:03 ↗ building a new city hall in the in any

1:04:05 ↗ sort of reasonable time frames nod in

1:04:07 ↗ the picture because we will not be able

1:04:08 ↗ to raise the dollarss to do that um

1:04:11 ↗ might there be an opportunity to

1:04:12 ↗ purchase other space or a portion of a

1:04:15 ↗ building at some later Point perhaps and

1:04:17 ↗ if that comes along we would you know be

1:04:20 ↗ be as aggressive as we can uh as I've

1:04:23 ↗ mentioned it's not a normal thing for

1:04:25 ↗ cities to lease we're here forever um we

1:04:28 ↗ should own the space that we're in so

1:04:30 ↗ there's various options I think given

1:04:33 ↗ the real estate environment in isqua

1:04:35 ↗ where we may be able to buy and so we

1:04:37 ↗ will continue uh to look at that uh but

1:04:41 ↗ uh again the main priority here is the

1:04:43 ↗ police department we have to get General

1:04:46 ↗ government out of the building in order

1:04:47 ↗ for the building to be um renovated and

1:04:51 ↗ the police department to have specific

1:04:53 ↗ space uh the Peril that we face

1:04:56 ↗ uh not having a sufficient space for our

1:04:58 ↗ police department is very significant uh

1:05:01 ↗ it is a difficult difficult Marketplace

1:05:03 ↗ and probably will be for some time for

1:05:05 ↗ police officers um people want to know

1:05:09 ↗ that they're coming and have proper

1:05:10 ↗ facilities because our neighbor

1:05:12 ↗ communities have them and you combine

1:05:14 ↗ that with $40,000 signing bonuses and

1:05:17 ↗ everyone having a a car a city car to

1:05:19 ↗ take home everyone having a city car to

1:05:21 ↗ take home um the costs associated with

1:05:24 ↗ this are very very high so if we do not

1:05:27 ↗ have a place that people feel police

1:05:29 ↗ officers other police Staff feel that

1:05:32 ↗ safe and appropriate that's going to

1:05:34 ↗ have a real detrimental impact so that's

1:05:36 ↗ Priority One right now um and finding

1:05:40 ↗ whatever reasonable economical space we

1:05:42 ↗ can for General government in order to

1:05:44 ↗ move forward with

1:05:49 ↗ that and Human Services what's the

1:05:51 ↗ thinking there yes so for Human Services

1:05:54 ↗ uh it really depends on where we find

1:05:56 ↗ the lease space and how much we have and

1:05:58 ↗ so I I've been um in contact with human

1:06:02 ↗ services um and and it's really just a

1:06:04 ↗ wait and see as far as the location we

1:06:06 ↗ find so if it's not something that's

1:06:08 ↗ suitable if we find another spot and

1:06:10 ↗ it's not suitable for Human Services

1:06:11 ↗ needs we have other facilities here in

1:06:13 ↗ Oldtown um so it's not a ton of of

1:06:16 ↗ office space that's needed so I you

1:06:18 ↗ they're definitely on our list as far as

1:06:20 ↗ one that we would figure out kind of

1:06:21 ↗ similar to council chambers once we kind

1:06:23 ↗ of know what is available for lease spas

1:06:25 ↗ um but they're definitely on our list

1:06:27 ↗ and Parks Administration

1:06:31 ↗ yeah council member

1:06:34 ↗ Merz so if the if the proximate thing

1:06:38 ↗ that is forcing us to do something now

1:06:41 ↗ is the police station uh or the

1:06:44 ↗ facilities available to our Police

1:06:46 ↗ Department I would like to see the

1:06:48 ↗ numbers I'd like to see how our uh

1:06:51 ↗ police facility compares to Kirkland and

1:06:53 ↗ Redmond and belue and samam terms of

1:06:56 ↗ staff and square footage and

1:06:58 ↗ understanding uh how we compare if

1:07:01 ↗ that's the if that's the trigger that's

1:07:03 ↗ forcing us to do something that is

1:07:05 ↗ potentially financially uh extremely

1:07:07 ↗ disadvantageous I need to understand

1:07:09 ↗ those numbers better thank

1:07:14 ↗ you um I'm gonna step in here uh since

1:07:19 ↗ as you pointed out our general

1:07:21 ↗ government financing is very limited and

1:07:24 ↗ all of that

1:07:26 ↗ uh would it make sense or could we

1:07:29 ↗ include Public Safety operations costs

1:07:34 ↗ along with Public Safety capital in a

1:07:37 ↗ bond um could we utilize that to expand

1:07:41 ↗ our police Staffing to a certain FTE to

1:07:45 ↗ resident Ratio or something

1:07:48 ↗ similar so um bonds are used for capital

1:07:52 ↗ projects they cannot be used for really

1:07:54 ↗ ongoing

1:07:56 ↗ uh operational costs Levy lid lifts are

1:07:59 ↗ much more tailored for ongoing

1:08:01 ↗ operational costs to support those but

1:08:03 ↗ not um great for paying off debt Service

1:08:06 ↗ as we've discussed so um as we think

1:08:09 ↗ about how we want to move forward uh

1:08:12 ↗ just know that really one tool is

1:08:14 ↗ appropriate to one type of expense and

1:08:17 ↗ another tool is more appropriate towards

1:08:18 ↗ another type of

1:08:21 ↗ expense for that idea one of the

1:08:24 ↗ questions I asked over email is it does

1:08:26 ↗ look like two of our neighboring cities

1:08:30 ↗ in Bellevue and Mercer Island did Levy

1:08:33 ↗ lid lifts to build fire stations in the

1:08:37 ↗ last 15 years so is there an explanation

1:08:41 ↗ for that or an understanding why they

1:08:44 ↗ were able to do something that our staff

1:08:46 ↗ is proposing doesn't fit so I'm I'm not

1:08:51 ↗ familiar with the particular financing

1:08:53 ↗ plan for the bellw and Mercer Island

1:08:55 ↗ Island stations we'd have to look at

1:08:57 ↗ what those costs were how other maybe

1:09:00 ↗ the levy lid lift was only a part of

1:09:02 ↗ funding of those facilities they could

1:09:04 ↗ have had other um cash on hand or or

1:09:08 ↗ government mitigation funds or other

1:09:10 ↗ things um it's also possible that they

1:09:13 ↗ could have

1:09:15 ↗ um used you know General funds to

1:09:18 ↗ supplement uh and pay for the rest of

1:09:20 ↗ the debt service I'm also going to

1:09:22 ↗ estimate that a fire station built in

1:09:25 ↗ 2012 was considerably cheaper than one

1:09:28 ↗ built to our modern standards so um so

1:09:32 ↗ we'd have to look into the specifics of

1:09:34 ↗ Mercer Island and and Bellevue uh but

1:09:37 ↗ you know what we're putting forward

1:09:39 ↗ today our proposal is what the

1:09:40 ↗ administration feels is really the best

1:09:42 ↗ suited tool for our

1:09:44 ↗ needs consider that a request for

1:09:48 ↗ information fantastic uh council member

1:09:52 ↗ Marts uh so historically we've carried

1:09:56 ↗ uh quite a bit more Council manic debt

1:09:58 ↗ than we're currently carrying uh are we

1:10:00 ↗ looking at are we considering the

1:10:02 ↗ council manic uh Bond

1:10:06 ↗ option uh that's that's not part of what

1:10:09 ↗ the administration is proposing because

1:10:11 ↗ even with a council manic Bond we need

1:10:13 ↗ to be able to identify Revenue in order

1:10:15 ↗ to pay for those bonds and so with a

1:10:18 ↗ Debt Service estimated at about $3

1:10:19 ↗ million annually uh if we were to do a

1:10:22 ↗ council manic bond without raising tax

1:10:25 ↗ tax es or revenues in other ways then um

1:10:27 ↗ that would require 3 million plus uh

1:10:31 ↗ cuts to our existing budget in order to

1:10:33 ↗ pay for that Debt Service we've heard

1:10:35 ↗ from Council at the February Council

1:10:37 ↗ Retreat that we should be considering a

1:10:39 ↗ new property tax instead of um trying to

1:10:43 ↗ cover these the new The Debt Service

1:10:46 ↗ with existing

1:10:48 ↗ revenues okay but if the statement is we

1:10:52 ↗ don't have access to any money I

1:10:54 ↗ understand that we have that we would

1:10:56 ↗ incur debt but I I if you were to look

1:10:59 ↗ at the amount of councilmanic debt that

1:11:01 ↗ we've carried historically we are at a

1:11:03 ↗ we are at a incredibly low level

1:11:05 ↗ currently we were able to carry Council

1:11:07 ↗ manag debt when I started on Council we

1:11:10 ↗ we we had a much higher councilmanic

1:11:12 ↗ debt than we do currently so it's not

1:11:15 ↗ obvious to me that there aren't some

1:11:17 ↗ options here that involve

1:11:21 ↗ coun yes we can take on more

1:11:23 ↗ councilmanic debt the the difficult is

1:11:25 ↗ how we would then pay for that debt on

1:11:27 ↗ an annual basis and so we' we'd be

1:11:30 ↗ required to make cuts to the budget

1:11:32 ↗ elsewhere um we've done it in the past

1:11:34 ↗ sure I mean just if the statement is we

1:11:36 ↗ don't have access to money we do it's

1:11:38 ↗ just that it's got to be traded against

1:11:41 ↗ other things but the idea of paying

1:11:43 ↗ lease payments on city property should

1:11:47 ↗ be traded against the financial

1:11:49 ↗ implications of using account debt

1:11:51 ↗ because neither is a great option but

1:11:52 ↗ it's not obvious to me that uh

1:11:55 ↗ you know leasing facilities is a better

1:11:59 ↗ option and we're looking for direction

1:12:02 ↗ through these discussions because as we

1:12:04 ↗ look at the operating budget for 25 26

1:12:07 ↗ if the council is looking in that

1:12:09 ↗ direction the council Matic debt is the

1:12:10 ↗ way you'd like to go and we need to make

1:12:12 ↗ reductions in operations then now is the

1:12:16 ↗ time we would like that feedback because

1:12:18 ↗ as we're working now on 25 26 we need to

1:12:21 ↗ start identifying what will reduce and

1:12:24 ↗ the increase cost we already know will

1:12:26 ↗ be proposing to the council and Public

1:12:28 ↗ Safety uh justice um is going to be

1:12:31 ↗ significant so um it could be a very

1:12:34 ↗ difficult operating budget for us 25

1:12:40 ↗ 26 this is just all sunshines and roses

1:12:44 ↗ and everything okay I'm feeling like

1:12:47 ↗ we're maybe lowering down on our

1:12:49 ↗ questions are we ready to switch over to

1:12:52 ↗ get public comment and then do Fe back

1:12:56 ↗ rounds okay

1:12:59 ↗ fantastic um fisha is anybody including

1:13:04 ↗ Connie

1:13:05 ↗ online no um no one's online with us

1:13:08 ↗ anymore uh Connie did send a chat

1:13:10 ↗ message before dropping off uh saying

1:13:13 ↗ her input was the need to understand why

1:13:16 ↗ the placement of the fire station has

1:13:17 ↗ been able to be

1:13:19 ↗ moved okay no one is with us virtually

1:13:22 ↗ other than City staff well I think uh

1:13:25 ↗ Council had that same question many

1:13:28 ↗ times over so we have certainly uh

1:13:30 ↗ talked about that okay um Can yep so

1:13:35 ↗ we've got three questions of Direction

1:13:38 ↗ needed you want to talk those over or

1:13:40 ↗ should I just read the

1:13:43 ↗ slide if you'd like me to read them I

1:13:45 ↗ can go for it great uh three questions

1:13:48 ↗ the first should the administration

1:13:50 ↗ Focus further research on a phased

1:13:52 ↗ approach the Oldtown Municipal campus as

1:13:55 ↗ we discussed does the council agree with

1:13:58 ↗ the administration proposal to use

1:14:00 ↗ current resources for leasing office and

1:14:03 ↗ Court space and finally should the

1:14:06 ↗ administration proceed with planning for

1:14:08 ↗ a ballot measure for a public safety

1:14:10 ↗ facilities Bond vote and start creating

1:14:13 ↗ a community engagement plan for your

1:14:19 ↗ review

1:14:22 ↗ okay I don't know if our feedback is

1:14:25 ↗ limited to those three questions I think

1:14:27 ↗ I heard a lot more than that so rather

1:14:31 ↗ than going through one at a time I'm

1:14:33 ↗ just going to kind of open it up because

1:14:36 ↗ this is a big old pile of wh ifs and

1:14:41 ↗ we've already pointed out in several

1:14:43 ↗ questions well maybe this versus that

1:14:46 ↗ isn't the way that we're thinking about

1:14:48 ↗ it so who wants to be brave and go first

1:14:55 ↗ okay you've got a question go ahead I

1:14:58 ↗ have a question about these uh Direction

1:15:00 ↗ needed

1:15:01 ↗ questions um so the second question has

1:15:04 ↗ to do with the current resources for

1:15:06 ↗ leasing office and Court space and my

1:15:09 ↗ question has to do with that it seems to

1:15:12 ↗ me like that question about needing the

1:15:16 ↗ the resources releasing office and Court

1:15:17 ↗ space comes into play if we are planning

1:15:20 ↗ on renovating the current city hall

1:15:23 ↗ building to make it all for Police use

1:15:25 ↗ and then this building where we are

1:15:27 ↗ right now for the uh fire

1:15:31 ↗ station um so is there it seems like the

1:15:34 ↗ second question is contingent on the

1:15:36 ↗ third the bond or or is it such that you

1:15:40 ↗ need to start planning for the movement

1:15:42 ↗ of

1:15:44 ↗ Municipal Courts now we believe our our

1:15:47 ↗ needs for a new Municipal Court space

1:15:51 ↗ that meets modern standards um are

1:15:55 ↗ Urgent and so regardless of where we put

1:15:57 ↗ the fire station um we really feel like

1:16:00 ↗ we need to provide for a new Municipal

1:16:02 ↗ Court offices and facility in addition

1:16:05 ↗ to the um ipd Renovations as well we

1:16:08 ↗ believe these are Urgent uh needs of the

1:16:11 ↗ city and so they're not dependent on

1:16:13 ↗ where we put the fire

1:16:15 ↗ station does that answer your

1:16:18 ↗ question

1:16:20 ↗ um it I suppose it does but I think

1:16:25 ↗ say say we said okay we agree to lease

1:16:29 ↗ space for office in court but we don't

1:16:32 ↗ want to proceed with the ballot measure

1:16:34 ↗ then I think then I think we would

1:16:36 ↗ continue to use this for the court isn't

1:16:37 ↗ that correct and we're saying we believe

1:16:40 ↗ we need a new court facility regardless

1:16:42 ↗ of of the fire station um that's in

1:16:45 ↗ terms of of how we're serving uh our our

1:16:51 ↗ customers in court um how we are

1:16:53 ↗ providing for the saf of those that use

1:16:55 ↗ our court facilities all of these things

1:16:58 ↗ we feel are inadequately addressed in

1:17:00 ↗ our current Court facility and we really

1:17:02 ↗ do feel like there's a strong and urgent

1:17:05 ↗ need for us to move into a space that's

1:17:07 ↗ better suited uh to house a modern Court

1:17:11 ↗ okay thank

1:17:15 ↗ you go ahead with more questions folks

1:17:18 ↗ oh I I am sorry but uh that one kind of

1:17:21 ↗ sparked something because it's really

1:17:23 ↗ about

1:17:25 ↗ prioritization in some way the question

1:17:27 ↗ really is you talked about courts courts

1:17:30 ↗ is is an urgent need c administrator

1:17:33 ↗ talked about police police is an urgent

1:17:35 ↗ need so how urgent and I don't want to

1:17:37 ↗ say how on fire is the fire department

1:17:39 ↗ but how urgent is the need for for doing

1:17:42 ↗ something with the fire department I

1:17:44 ↗ mean do we have some latitude um with

1:17:48 ↗ that I'm wondering if Chief Lane can

1:17:51 ↗ come back on and help answer that

1:17:53 ↗ question I know that we've we've been

1:17:55 ↗ talking with Eastside fire and rescue

1:17:57 ↗ for many years about the need for a new

1:18:00 ↗ uh a new fire station facility so

1:18:02 ↗ hopefully he can uh help address that

1:18:06 ↗ question yeah I'm happy too um there

1:18:09 ↗ there are some significant challenges

1:18:11 ↗ with the current station um they're

1:18:13 ↗ outside of what we call Healthy in

1:18:15 ↗ healthy out standards where we work hard

1:18:18 ↗ to provide a very safe work environment

1:18:20 ↗ for our responders so the current

1:18:22 ↗ station 71 does not have a

1:18:25 ↗ a positive pressure living space where

1:18:28 ↗ we can have an air lock between the

1:18:29 ↗ apparatus Bay and the crew quarters to

1:18:32 ↗ keep um carcinogens such as diesel

1:18:35 ↗ exhaust um separate from the crew quars

1:18:38 ↗ there currently is not a fitness

1:18:41 ↗ facility large enough and inside this

1:18:44 ↗ fire station so some of their PT is is

1:18:46 ↗ done right alongside uh the apparatus

1:18:49 ↗ and where it's parked the bunker gear

1:18:51 ↗ storage we do not have adequate bunker

1:18:53 ↗ gear storage where it's in a separate um

1:18:56 ↗ UV protected uh closet space with proper

1:19:00 ↗ ventilation the building itself is um

1:19:03 ↗ doesn't meet seismic

1:19:05 ↗ standards um as far as the dormitories

1:19:08 ↗ or the dorms and the

1:19:11 ↗ um the actual washroom facilities um

1:19:15 ↗ there's definitely some upgrades that

1:19:16 ↗ are needed there having worked at that

1:19:18 ↗ station um that station has been

1:19:20 ↗ converted Time After Time After Time um

1:19:23 ↗ we've converted it from

1:19:25 ↗ an open Office Space we've done our our

1:19:27 ↗ best in our due diligence to do what we

1:19:30 ↗ can but we I think we've sort of reached

1:19:33 ↗ critical mass with that specific

1:19:34 ↗ facility um this has been and no doubt

1:19:37 ↗ it's been an ongoing long-standing

1:19:39 ↗ conversation but I really do think we're

1:19:42 ↗ at this uh a critical point where um

1:19:44 ↗ there are significant upgrades that are

1:19:47 ↗ needed the city was kind of enough to

1:19:48 ↗ make an investment a few years ago um to

1:19:52 ↗ do some Creature Comforts but at this

1:19:55 ↗ point and we're almost um beyond the

1:19:57 ↗ service life of those as well so um I

1:20:00 ↗ don't have the overall final answer but

1:20:02 ↗ we are definitely in need of upgrading

1:20:04 ↗ and a replacement of the current fire

1:20:06 ↗ station 71 thanks that was real helpful

1:20:09 ↗ thanks

1:20:11 ↗ Ben okay so again I'm looking for anyone

1:20:15 ↗ who is willing to be brave and go first

1:20:18 ↗ on their feedback for this

1:20:22 ↗ massive set of decisions

1:20:25 ↗ uh that we are being asked for council

1:20:29 ↗ member Joe you win the gold star tonight

1:20:31 ↗ thank you thank you council president um

1:20:35 ↗ question number one should the

1:20:36 ↗ administration further Focus research on

1:20:38 ↗ a phased approach um I think that's the

1:20:41 ↗ best way that we can go forward I agree

1:20:44 ↗ with uh council member Ray that the the

1:20:47 ↗ comparison that we had there um really

1:20:51 ↗ kind of painted Us in the corner a

1:20:52 ↗ little bit and kind of left us with no

1:20:54 ↗ real Choice going forward but is the but

1:20:56 ↗ it is a responsible choice to go forward

1:20:58 ↗ because our police need that extra space

1:21:01 ↗ and once you start moving one piece as

1:21:04 ↗ uh Autumn Monahan pointed out it's a

1:21:06 ↗ chessboard where the other ones uh need

1:21:08 ↗ to follow at least in a rational thought

1:21:10 ↗ out uh you know kind of process so um if

1:21:15 ↗ you move uh forward with that Oldtown

1:21:19 ↗ plan then um I think that it does make

1:21:23 ↗ sense that the police are going to move

1:21:24 ↗ over

1:21:25 ↗ to the second floor of the city hall

1:21:27 ↗ building and then we have to find space

1:21:30 ↗ for the administration in court um many

1:21:34 ↗ of you may know that I was part of the

1:21:36 ↗ council when we put this court together

1:21:38 ↗ in 2006 and 2007 and had the vote to uh

1:21:44 ↗ go ahead and break away from our

1:21:46 ↗ partners in the district court system um

1:21:49 ↗ at the time we were only uh handling our

1:21:53 ↗ cases our isqua cases and it was not a

1:21:58 ↗ huge lift but it was enough of a lift

1:21:59 ↗ for us to kind of get our feet under us

1:22:02 ↗ now we have partners with Duval

1:22:05 ↗ Carnation snow kwami other partners that

1:22:08 ↗ bring their cases to us as well um it's

1:22:12 ↗ a source of revenue for us it's also a

1:22:14 ↗ source of building better uh Community

1:22:17 ↗ between uh the partners on this uh in

1:22:20 ↗ this area we have grown up and we we

1:22:23 ↗ have a little we have grown out of

1:22:25 ↗ this space as many of you know I I was

1:22:27 ↗ also had the pleasure of being on the

1:22:30 ↗ bench here as a protm judge and uh there

1:22:34 ↗ were times when the court was going just

1:22:36 ↗ fine but but the uh Prisoners the people

1:22:40 ↗ who were currently um in court did need

1:22:43 ↗ to be brought over and there were times

1:22:45 ↗ when we would need to to wait for them

1:22:47 ↗ or um because of the limited space and

1:22:52 ↗ safety we couldn't bring over all the

1:22:55 ↗ people all the time some people had they

1:22:57 ↗ had to be broken up into groups um so

1:22:59 ↗ having a holding cell uh from my point

1:23:02 ↗ of view as as a person that's been on

1:23:04 ↗ the bench is a very important safety

1:23:07 ↗ element that that we didn't need as much

1:23:10 ↗ when we first put this court together in

1:23:12 ↗ 2006 2007 um along the way so I I

1:23:16 ↗ believe that it's important for us to go

1:23:18 ↗ ahead and move over the mo move over to

1:23:21 ↗ the district court for the court space

1:23:23 ↗ uh I've been in the holding cell as an

1:23:25 ↗ attorney um helping my clients out um

1:23:30 ↗ and it's it's a it's a great space to to

1:23:34 ↗ uh to uh have conferences when there's

1:23:37 ↗ only one prisoner in there uh all the

1:23:40 ↗ other resources there for the court for

1:23:42 ↗ us I think we should capitalize on those

1:23:43 ↗ resources until we can find a place and

1:23:46 ↗ an office space for our court again um

1:23:51 ↗ obviously we need to move the

1:23:53 ↗ administration out so that police can

1:23:55 ↗ expand um and U so question number two

1:23:58 ↗ is a yes for me um uh the last question

1:24:03 ↗ I would like a little more

1:24:07 ↗ um research done on Council medic bonds

1:24:11 ↗ so that we at least have all of the uh

1:24:15 ↗ options in front of us so that we can

1:24:17 ↗ determine which type of package we want

1:24:20 ↗ to give to our citizens for

1:24:22 ↗ consideration and uh find out the plus

1:24:25 ↗ and minuses of each one of those along

1:24:27 ↗ the way but I think that we should go

1:24:29 ↗ forward with at least researching the

1:24:32 ↗ bond or the levy lift or the other

1:24:35 ↗ financing that could make this entire

1:24:37 ↗ plan possible um we're moving in small

1:24:40 ↗ steps it's going to be a big process um

1:24:43 ↗ but this gives us this plan as as I've

1:24:48 ↗ agreed to tonight I think gives us a

1:24:50 ↗ good start and meets our current needs

1:24:53 ↗ for the police and the court right away

1:24:56 ↗ um along the way and then we can uh get

1:24:59 ↗ our Police Department to a place where

1:25:01 ↗ we're competitive with our partners and

1:25:04 ↗ competitors and the bigger cities as

1:25:07 ↗ we're trying to attract uh good police

1:25:09 ↗ officers uh to isqua so how's that folks

1:25:13 ↗ is that all right all right you covered

1:25:15 ↗ all the bases and you started out so you

1:25:18 ↗ still get a gold star uh council member

1:25:22 ↗ Marts thanks

1:25:26 ↗ there I hate to say this there's not a

1:25:28 ↗ lot of this that makes a lot of sense to

1:25:30 ↗ me the problem to me is

1:25:34 ↗ the urgency that requires us to consider

1:25:38 ↗ Leasing Property and I don't feel so

1:25:42 ↗ extraordinary uh Carl San said

1:25:44 ↗ extraordinary claims require

1:25:46 ↗ extraordinary evidence I don't believe

1:25:48 ↗ it's been proven that we urgently need a

1:25:50 ↗ new court facility I don't believe it's

1:25:52 ↗ been proven that we urgent need to

1:25:54 ↗ expand our police facility versus more

1:25:58 ↗ officers paid better we haven't proven

1:26:01 ↗ that we urgently need a new fire

1:26:03 ↗ station I'd like to know how our fellow

1:26:05 ↗ municipalities have done this on the

1:26:07 ↗ east side KK Redmond built a

1:26:11 ↗ unbelievable campus not too long ago and

1:26:14 ↗ I realize we're not Redmond um and the

1:26:17 ↗ economy is different now but all this

1:26:19 ↗ has an emergency feel to it that I don't

1:26:23 ↗ believe has yet been shown to my

1:26:25 ↗ satisfaction that we are in an emergency

1:26:28 ↗ uh it's a terrible financial situation

1:26:30 ↗ to be Leasing Property as a municipality

1:26:33 ↗ and so this urgency just I don't feel it

1:26:36 ↗ in my bones yet um I think so I'm

1:26:40 ↗ completely opposed to doing a first

1:26:43 ↗ phase without knowing what the eventual

1:26:46 ↗ City Hall might possibly potentially

1:26:49 ↗ look like I think it would be um very

1:26:52 ↗ bad for the residents of our city uh for

1:26:55 ↗ us it feels to me like taking off in a

1:26:57 ↗ plane that's partially finished and

1:26:59 ↗ trusting that we finish the plane while

1:27:01 ↗ it's in Flight um so if we were saying

1:27:04 ↗ here's our plan and it's challenging and

1:27:06 ↗ it's going to take a bunch of money but

1:27:08 ↗ here's what we get in the end I think

1:27:10 ↗ that I'd feel better I could I could

1:27:13 ↗ face voters uh and say I understand

1:27:15 ↗ where we're headed um but I just this

1:27:19 ↗ thing where all of a sudden we're an

1:27:20 ↗ emergency footing and have to make

1:27:22 ↗ really disadvantageous Financial

1:27:24 ↗ decisions I I don't yet feel it so I'm

1:27:26 ↗ opposed to it thank

1:27:30 ↗ you okay uh Deputy council president D

1:27:35 ↗ Michelle yeah thanks um I uh I must say

1:27:38 ↗ that I agree uh very much with council

1:27:41 ↗ member Marts

1:27:44 ↗ um we've been having this discussion for

1:27:46 ↗ a while we know what the need is but I

1:27:49 ↗ don't think I don't feel like we've made

1:27:52 ↗ the case and I think if we're to go out

1:27:55 ↗ uh to the uh voters uh for a ballot

1:27:58 ↗ measure you have to make the case that

1:28:01 ↗ you have an urgent need uh for uh police

1:28:05 ↗ for fire uh and for a new municipal

1:28:08 ↗ court and I I just don't feel like we

1:28:11 ↗ have done that um and I think there are

1:28:14 ↗ still so many questions out there and

1:28:16 ↗ and a lot of research that uh needs to

1:28:19 ↗ be done we've identified some of it

1:28:21 ↗ tonight and perhaps we need to have a

1:28:24 ↗ follow-up discussion to even go deeper

1:28:27 ↗ so um one of my concerns is that uh as

1:28:32 ↗ council member Mart said we're going to

1:28:34 ↗ we're going to I I'll characterize this

1:28:36 ↗ we're doing a peace meal we're going to

1:28:39 ↗ uh do a fire station here you know that

1:28:42 ↗ locks us into well we're not going to

1:28:44 ↗ have a city hall here then well where is

1:28:46 ↗ the city hall going to be uh and uh as I

1:28:49 ↗ was alluding earlier what is our what

1:28:51 ↗ are our fallback plans in case

1:28:54 ↗ um uh we can't pass a a safety Bond even

1:28:59 ↗ uh uh council member Hall brought up the

1:29:01 ↗ parks you know things that we want to do

1:29:03 ↗ with the parks and I'm just feeling like

1:29:05 ↗ I just don't have my arms around all of

1:29:09 ↗ the decisions and all the possible

1:29:11 ↗ outcomes that could be uh uh that would

1:29:14 ↗ logically follow uh as council member

1:29:17 ↗ Joe said as that would logically follow

1:29:19 ↗ from this decision leading to this

1:29:21 ↗ decision leading to this decision I I

1:29:23 ↗ just

1:29:24 ↗ um I just am not feeling that we are

1:29:27 ↗ prepared yet so the the answer to Bullet

1:29:30 ↗ number three would be for me would be we

1:29:32 ↗ are not anywhere close to being ready to

1:29:35 ↗ uh plan for a ballot measure uh or for

1:29:38 ↗ public engagement because I don't think

1:29:40 ↗ we have yet made the case that we take

1:29:43 ↗ out to the public and say to them here's

1:29:46 ↗ 1 two 3 four five reasons why we need a

1:29:49 ↗ new fire station here's you know here

1:29:51 ↗ are all the reasons we need a new m

1:29:54 ↗ Municipal Court this is why we're making

1:29:56 ↗ these decisions um and we hope that you

1:29:59 ↗ will support us um in going forward um

1:30:04 ↗ right now going out to the public and

1:30:05 ↗ talking to people I think there are just

1:30:07 ↗ too many questions that we wouldn't be

1:30:09 ↗ able to

1:30:11 ↗ answer

1:30:12 ↗ thanks um so I've gotten a message that

1:30:15 ↗ Chief Schwan has a comment I really

1:30:18 ↗ appreciate that Chief I'm going to

1:30:20 ↗ continue on with Council just to make

1:30:23 ↗ sure that we hear from all of the

1:30:25 ↗ council members I assume we're proposing

1:30:28 ↗ a lot of questions here and there's

1:30:29 ↗ going to be a lot of comments from staff

1:30:31 ↗ so I'm just going to letting you know

1:30:33 ↗ I'm going to wait on that for a moment

1:30:36 ↗ um council member Ray then uh council

1:30:38 ↗ member Hall then council member

1:30:41 ↗ Ray I appreciate that but I'm G to come

1:30:44 ↗ to everybody yep all right perfect uh

1:30:48 ↗ thank you

1:30:50 ↗ um I don't know I feel the exact OPP it

1:30:54 ↗ of the last couple of things I actually

1:30:55 ↗ feel very good with where we're at here

1:30:58 ↗ number one thank you for all the

1:30:59 ↗ tremendous amount of effort that has

1:31:01 ↗ gone into this project in several ways

1:31:04 ↗ um over the last few years that can't be

1:31:06 ↗ understated the amount that's gone into

1:31:08 ↗ that um I think keeping the focus and

1:31:11 ↗ priority on Public Safety facilities is

1:31:13 ↗ the right one and a smart one based on

1:31:16 ↗ need um

1:31:19 ↗ and I think these are all questions that

1:31:22 ↗ we can do the data story storytelling on

1:31:25 ↗ um we know the firsthand accounts of the

1:31:27 ↗ challenges around these things we just

1:31:29 ↗ need to be able to quantify that and

1:31:30 ↗ come back to councel on it sounds like

1:31:32 ↗ that's something we could definitely do

1:31:34 ↗ um I do think for the first question

1:31:39 ↗ um yes continue with focusing further

1:31:43 ↗ research although I'm still very

1:31:45 ↗ interested in us keeping an eye out for

1:31:47 ↗ purchasing and renovating properties um

1:31:50 ↗ I think completing this vision of a

1:31:53 ↗ municipal camp in this area where we

1:31:55 ↗ have so many different connected

1:31:56 ↗ Services is super compelling um and

1:32:00 ↗ lovely but also costly very costly so

1:32:03 ↗ I'm als well actually if we'll have a

1:32:04 ↗ piece of free land maybe not as costly

1:32:06 ↗ but I'm very interested in in what might

1:32:09 ↗ come up in the coming years too so I

1:32:11 ↗ would just prefer that we have someone

1:32:13 ↗ continuing to look into that make me a

1:32:15 ↗ very happy council member um I do think

1:32:18 ↗ that leasing space is actually a smart

1:32:20 ↗ way going forward especially because

1:32:22 ↗ it's so cost effective compared compared

1:32:24 ↗ to um building new spaces or dealing

1:32:28 ↗ with whatever disadvantageous

1:32:30 ↗ consequences there might be of not

1:32:33 ↗ moving out of um the police station of

1:32:37 ↗ not building uh fire stations so there's

1:32:39 ↗ kind of thinking about it from both

1:32:41 ↗ sides there I think it makes sense to

1:32:43 ↗ move forward with leasing space for the

1:32:44 ↗ time being um I'm very interested in

1:32:46 ↗ opportunities that you're currently

1:32:48 ↗ pursuing um in that and I'm interested

1:32:50 ↗ in getting a kind of a clearer picture

1:32:52 ↗ of what that cost might be as we

1:32:53 ↗ continue continue to tease that out that

1:32:56 ↗ that said though um it does make me a

1:32:58 ↗ little uncomfortable going into

1:33:00 ↗ something knowing we'll have about

1:33:01 ↗ enough revenue or enough funding for 5

1:33:04 ↗ to 8 years but after that we're not sure

1:33:07 ↗ so I would like to kind of see through

1:33:09 ↗ at least from a general high level place

1:33:12 ↗ where might we look if we still need

1:33:16 ↗ funding for either leasing space if if

1:33:19 ↗ we decide that that's what we want to

1:33:20 ↗ continue to do or or what are the

1:33:23 ↗ different options for um even purchasing

1:33:26 ↗ a space um especially if we're in the

1:33:28 ↗ middle of a bond right now for fire and

1:33:32 ↗ police and an opportunity comes up to

1:33:34 ↗ purchase something um at what point

1:33:37 ↗ could we explore like another bond for

1:33:38 ↗ another thing and with that even be

1:33:40 ↗ reasonable given the property tax base

1:33:41 ↗ right now and how how many bonds people

1:33:44 ↗ are paying or about to pay here in the

1:33:45 ↗ isqua area um and then the last

1:33:50 ↗ question um yes I I mean I think we do

1:33:53 ↗ proceed with with kind of community

1:33:54 ↗ engagement I'm assuming Community

1:33:55 ↗ engagement is some sort of task force

1:33:57 ↗ Community task force um I think for me

1:34:02 ↗ the need is clear to have this Revenue

1:34:04 ↗ Source um it came up many years ago even

1:34:08 ↗ as the Capital Finance Community task

1:34:09 ↗ force was doing its work about the

1:34:11 ↗ urgent need in this space too we stayed

1:34:13 ↗ out of that space largely because uh the

1:34:16 ↗ group wanted to explore um where we

1:34:21 ↗ hadn't had as much investment in these

1:34:22 ↗ other spaces um in where we needed more

1:34:25 ↗ revenues but um to me the the need is

1:34:28 ↗ clear especially for Public Safety

1:34:30 ↗ facilities not just facilities um but

1:34:34 ↗ the timing again same thing with like I

1:34:36 ↗ said earlier the timing is a little

1:34:38 ↗ concerning to me thinking that there'll

1:34:40 ↗ probably be a school bond on the ballot

1:34:42 ↗ soon did the county just pass a did a

1:34:46 ↗ property tax just pass at the county

1:34:47 ↗ level too so I'm just worried about just

1:34:49 ↗ the effects of all this stacking up um

1:34:52 ↗ in the community support

1:34:54 ↗ um there um but uh at the same time I

1:34:57 ↗ also don't see an alternative to a voter

1:35:00 ↗ approved Bond it seems like we have to

1:35:03 ↗ be able to sh we have a revenue source

1:35:04 ↗ to actually pay for these so um oh two

1:35:07 ↗ other things I wanted to add both are

1:35:10 ↗ what Deputy council president D Michelle

1:35:12 ↗ said that I wanted to add on first was

1:35:14 ↗ the lots of neighborhood engagement for

1:35:17 ↗ um a new fire station here is is going

1:35:19 ↗ to be critical I liked your point on

1:35:21 ↗ that and then also having a plan

1:35:24 ↗ about what to do if we start to go down

1:35:26 ↗ this path and a bond were to fail and we

1:35:29 ↗ don't reach that 60% threshold what what

1:35:32 ↗ might we do at that point so those are

1:35:34 ↗ my thoughts I think in general I'm I'm

1:35:36 ↗ quite happy with where we're at I think

1:35:37 ↗ there's still some work to to go into

1:35:40 ↗ this but again thank you for everything

1:35:42 ↗ you You'

1:35:43 ↗ [Music]

1:35:45 ↗ done okay I think we're going to council

1:35:48 ↗ member Ray and then council member hunt

1:35:51 ↗ are you up okay in the than you all

1:35:55 ↗ right uh a couple things I'm not going

1:35:56 ↗ to go sequentially but I do want to talk

1:35:59 ↗ about phasing and I think phasing makes

1:36:01 ↗ sense matter of fact I think phasing is

1:36:02 ↗ the only way that we can do this um I

1:36:05 ↗ I'm sitting here thinking about a bunch

1:36:07 ↗ of dominoes that need to fall um and

1:36:10 ↗ there's some small wins that we can get

1:36:12 ↗ so I think the court move actually in

1:36:14 ↗ some ways if this is not going to be a

1:36:16 ↗ barrier for law enforcement with being

1:36:19 ↗ across town um you know leasing space in

1:36:23 ↗ the County facility makes a ton of sense

1:36:25 ↗ it's it's a court facility and this is

1:36:28 ↗ you know this is lovely but this is not

1:36:29 ↗ a court facility so um I I think that

1:36:32 ↗ that is the first Domino that we should

1:36:34 ↗ look to fall um I'm not opposed to

1:36:37 ↗ leasing um it creates um a necessary

1:36:41 ↗ buffer I mean because uh you know it is

1:36:44 ↗ the shuffling of uh the pieces you know

1:36:46 ↗ it's one of those slidy puzzles and

1:36:48 ↗ we've got to move things around um so

1:36:51 ↗ I'm not opposed to leasing but I only in

1:36:54 ↗ the with the caveat that there's a a

1:36:57 ↗ longer term plan in place that we know

1:36:59 ↗ where we're going and when we're going

1:37:01 ↗ um and then we get into the question

1:37:03 ↗ that uh uh council member Hall and

1:37:07 ↗ Deputy president D Michelle brought up

1:37:08 ↗ which is what if we start going down the

1:37:10 ↗ dominoes and then we don't get the

1:37:11 ↗ funding and I think the the the the

1:37:14 ↗ thing is we don't start moving unless we

1:37:16 ↗ get the funding and the funding is a

1:37:17 ↗ necessary precondition to doing uh

1:37:20 ↗ anything and if we fail at funding then

1:37:22 ↗ then we've got to take a big old step

1:37:24 ↗ back um I think that the fire station is

1:37:29 ↗ really in some ways represents one of

1:37:31 ↗ the biggest challenges has for at least

1:37:33 ↗ seven years as long as I've been around

1:37:35 ↗ um so that

1:37:37 ↗ one is going to be hard any way we slice

1:37:40 ↗ it um we have to have some contingency

1:37:43 ↗ plans in that you know what what do we

1:37:45 ↗ do if and and then I I'm I think this

1:37:49 ↗ was council member martz's point that

1:37:51 ↗ I'm kind of uh not super psyched about

1:37:55 ↗ knocking over the dominoes when I don't

1:37:57 ↗ know where City Hall is supposed to end

1:37:59 ↗ up so I I I have to have feel that we

1:38:01 ↗ have some if not concrete um here's what

1:38:05 ↗ the long-term plan for City Hall is

1:38:06 ↗ going to be that there are some uh

1:38:08 ↗ viable long-term options that we can um

1:38:11 ↗ we can pursue and then um disagreeing a

1:38:15 ↗ little bit with U or maybe not even

1:38:17 ↗ disagreeing but not a big fan of council

1:38:20 ↗ Council mtic borrowing I think

1:38:22 ↗ particularly for something of this magn

1:38:23 ↗ itude um if we're going to be spending

1:38:25 ↗ the dollars we got to bring new Revenue

1:38:27 ↗ sources uh with the dollars so that's my

1:38:30 ↗ thinking oh and last thing I think we

1:38:33 ↗ should do public engagement before we

1:38:35 ↗ start talking about a bond I think we

1:38:36 ↗ should be understanding what the public

1:38:38 ↗ really um you know what's important to

1:38:41 ↗ them and then maybe Circle back and and

1:38:44 ↗ talk about how do we start to plan for a

1:38:46 ↗ bond or a

1:38:48 ↗ ballot council member hunt

1:38:53 ↗ um so on the on the first one I think

1:38:56 ↗ there were a lot of options that were

1:38:59 ↗ researched and considered and this was

1:39:02 ↗ the one that we are presented with but

1:39:04 ↗ we aren't really presented with the

1:39:06 ↗ information on the other options as was

1:39:09 ↗ mentioned previously there's an option b

1:39:10 ↗ but it it really wasn't feasible

1:39:15 ↗ financially um and so I think having

1:39:18 ↗ more information about these are the

1:39:20 ↗ things we considered these are why they

1:39:22 ↗ aren't possible having that uh so that

1:39:25 ↗ we can also read through that logic and

1:39:28 ↗ vet all of that I think would be helpful

1:39:30 ↗ because as we were asking questions you

1:39:32 ↗ were saying well we did look at that and

1:39:34 ↗ you know these are the reasons that

1:39:35 ↗ didn't make sense so I think just uh

1:39:38 ↗ kind of surfacing those as options that

1:39:40 ↗ were considered and these are the

1:39:41 ↗ reasons why not would be would be

1:39:43 ↗ helpful

1:39:45 ↗ um it seems to me as other people have

1:39:49 ↗ uh also said that the first thing we

1:39:53 ↗ need need to really think about is the

1:39:55 ↗ the funding for the public safety

1:39:59 ↗ facilities and then if that um if we do

1:40:02 ↗ have funding to do that work uh then we

1:40:06 ↗ have a need to move the government

1:40:08 ↗ facilities and um and

1:40:11 ↗ then there's a bunch of moving pieces

1:40:13 ↗ here so one consideration could be that

1:40:16 ↗ I think we could I think you could make

1:40:18 ↗ a chart with the same goals for the

1:40:21 ↗ different facilities like this is best

1:40:23 ↗ best for courts this is best for um the

1:40:26 ↗ police facilities this is best for the

1:40:28 ↗ fire facilities to do things this way

1:40:30 ↗ because um there's a lot of different

1:40:33 ↗ reasons why you chose this option but I

1:40:36 ↗ think you know for example as was

1:40:38 ↗ mentioned if we if there wasn't a a bond

1:40:41 ↗ that passed then we wouldn't be able to

1:40:44 ↗ uh we wouldn't we would still have the

1:40:46 ↗ building as is so then what would happen

1:40:49 ↗ um and I I think we would probably

1:40:51 ↗ continue to use this building

1:40:54 ↗ Court um in that case so I I think just

1:40:57 ↗ having the phase approach laid out with

1:40:59 ↗ why this is the best approach and then

1:41:01 ↗ also the timing of moving court and the

1:41:04 ↗ benefits to court specifically the

1:41:06 ↗ benefits to the fire uh fire service

1:41:09 ↗ specifically and the benefit police

1:41:11 ↗ specifically would help tease out some

1:41:12 ↗ of those different things which are kind

1:41:14 ↗ of all together into one option that

1:41:16 ↗ seems like staff after considering all

1:41:20 ↗ the options found that it was best but

1:41:21 ↗ it doesn't really lay out all the

1:41:24 ↗ the benefits um and all the other

1:41:29 ↗ possibilities um so one other thing I

1:41:32 ↗ think the leasing could could make sense

1:41:35 ↗ if it's really the most cost effective I

1:41:38 ↗ think for the court uh to move to a

1:41:42 ↗ court that is currently a court that

1:41:43 ↗ seems to make sense because there's not

1:41:45 ↗ a lot of tenant improvements that we

1:41:47 ↗ need to do so I would similarly hope

1:41:49 ↗ that we could move to a if we're leasing

1:41:52 ↗ a space that we could lease a space that

1:41:54 ↗ doesn't require a lot of tenant

1:41:55 ↗ improvements and that is already office

1:41:57 ↗ or is already something similar to um a

1:42:01 ↗ city council chambers for for use of the

1:42:03 ↗ city council chambers so that we don't

1:42:05 ↗ have to spend a lot on tenant

1:42:07 ↗ improvements and then ultimately not

1:42:09 ↗ have a long-term investment that the

1:42:12 ↗ community is going to be using for more

1:42:13 ↗ than however many years we intend to use

1:42:15 ↗ it um as my fellow council members have

1:42:18 ↗ said having that longer term vision of

1:42:20 ↗ how long we're going to be leasing or

1:42:23 ↗ likely to lease uh and then where where

1:42:26 ↗ those facilities would move would also

1:42:29 ↗ be very helpful

1:42:34 ↗ um and yeah I I just think there's a lot

1:42:37 ↗ of data that would be helpful in terms

1:42:39 ↗ of you know we talked about service

1:42:42 ↗ times that service times would be uh

1:42:44 ↗ comparable or improved for the fire

1:42:46 ↗ station if it moved here it's it's a

1:42:49 ↗ very similar location so can we just see

1:42:51 ↗ how that would play out and then you

1:42:53 ↗ know see what are the what are the

1:42:55 ↗ expected actual benefits of moving it

1:42:57 ↗ here the if there's additional capacity

1:42:59 ↗ additional fire trucks how does that

1:43:01 ↗ improve service time but just get some

1:43:03 ↗ sense of the public benefits um for all

1:43:06 ↗ these different components and then how

1:43:08 ↗ they could be uh separated out or if it

1:43:11 ↗ makes sense to separate

1:43:16 ↗ them okay I'm taking taking the end

1:43:19 ↗ slaught here um we can go back for

1:43:21 ↗ seconds if there's anybody who comes

1:43:23 ↗ through

1:43:25 ↗ um my feeling on all of this is that I

1:43:29 ↗ think it's been pretty well laid out

1:43:33 ↗ that the police department needs the

1:43:35 ↗ full City Hall that was what that

1:43:37 ↗ building was intended for that is why we

1:43:42 ↗ have looked for City Hall space over the

1:43:45 ↗ last year um I don't know how often you

1:43:49 ↗ guys have been over there uh to see that

1:43:53 ↗ facility in use it's packed it's

1:43:57 ↗ old um it needs a lot of work and I

1:44:00 ↗ think having been in the Municipal Court

1:44:04 ↗ here uh I can say the same so my

1:44:07 ↗ thoughts are it's clear that those two

1:44:11 ↗ are priorities and needs that we need to

1:44:14 ↗ address and I think Police Department is

1:44:17 ↗ main reason we went on this journey um

1:44:21 ↗ in the first place but based on what

1:44:23 ↗ I've heard from other council members it

1:44:25 ↗ seems like we may need to do a

1:44:27 ↗ facilities tour um with staff involved

1:44:30 ↗ as a way to show I remember doing that

1:44:33 ↗ for City Hall Northwest and jumping on

1:44:36 ↗ the second floor and feeling it move um

1:44:40 ↗ so any demonstrations like that I think

1:44:43 ↗ could be very uh pointed for us not that

1:44:46 ↗ I'm saying anybody

1:44:48 ↗ should yeah okay fantastic uh similar ly

1:44:53 ↗ I think it might be useful to take

1:44:57 ↗ Council on a tour of the municipal court

1:45:02 ↗ or the district court or um other City

1:45:07 ↗ Hall facilities or something that gives

1:45:09 ↗ us a sense of where we're at and where

1:45:14 ↗ other options are um I think could be

1:45:17 ↗ useful um further feedback uh I think

1:45:21 ↗ the phased approach makes whole heck of

1:45:23 ↗ a lot of sense um I think the big point

1:45:28 ↗ that I think utumn made in the staff

1:45:31 ↗ report of hey we only have limited staff

1:45:34 ↗ time and we can't take on five projects

1:45:38 ↗ at once and so I think for that reason

1:45:41 ↗ that really gave me a sense of oh yeah

1:45:44 ↗ that's right that this is the right

1:45:46 ↗ approach rather than rebuild everything

1:45:49 ↗ all at once taking things on in

1:45:53 ↗ segmented projects make sense um that

1:45:56 ↗ being said I'm really disappointed that

1:45:59 ↗ we would have no other choice really

1:46:02 ↗ than leasing for City Hall and Municipal

1:46:07 ↗ Court um without having a plan for a

1:46:10 ↗ permanent location but I did really

1:46:13 ↗ appreciate what city administrator Bob

1:46:15 ↗ quit said that hey while we're leasing a

1:46:18 ↗ space may become available during that

1:46:21 ↗ time throughout the city you know we did

1:46:23 ↗ an intense search over the last year and

1:46:26 ↗ couldn't find anything but properties

1:46:28 ↗ can become available and so that is

1:46:32 ↗ helpful for me in thinking about it

1:46:35 ↗ because I think well one option is to

1:46:39 ↗ build a new campus in the old town area

1:46:43 ↗ or another location where we already

1:46:45 ↗ have property another option is to buy a

1:46:50 ↗ property that could save us money and so

1:46:53 ↗ I think in that way the leasing gives us

1:46:56 ↗ flexibility of options to look at

1:47:00 ↗ potential um purpose

1:47:02 ↗ purchases that being said I'm not bought

1:47:06 ↗ in on the idea of this as a proposed

1:47:09 ↗ location for fire station 71 I think we

1:47:13 ↗ still have heard from a lot of council

1:47:15 ↗ members that we need more data and

1:47:17 ↗ information on that we were given a

1:47:20 ↗ story for several years that we needed

1:47:23 ↗ in the north I think the story of hey

1:47:26 ↗ but that is potentially aamish um issue

1:47:30 ↗ makes sense but still doesn't positively

1:47:35 ↗ explain why this is the right location

1:47:38 ↗ um so information on response times

1:47:41 ↗ information as Deputy council president

1:47:44 ↗ D Michelle said of hey this is a really

1:47:47 ↗ busy location do we think that this

1:47:50 ↗ location is going to serve us for 50

1:47:53 ↗ years um all of that would be helpful in

1:47:57 ↗ understanding that and then on financing

1:48:01 ↗ I do think that we're going to need a

1:48:04 ↗ voter approved Bond I'm ready to do

1:48:08 ↗ public engagement at this point um but I

1:48:11 ↗ do really want to understand what our

1:48:12 ↗ contingency plans are particularly if um

1:48:17 ↗ certain other area bonds that may be on

1:48:21 ↗ the ballot in 2024 don't pass um what

1:48:24 ↗ that does to our timeline and our

1:48:27 ↗ ability to move forward with each one of

1:48:30 ↗ these

1:48:32 ↗ segments okay we have heard from

1:48:35 ↗ everybody anybody here something from

1:48:38 ↗ council members that they want to

1:48:40 ↗ trigger something for them Deputy

1:48:42 ↗ council

1:48:43 ↗ president um just a uh another request

1:48:47 ↗ for information we got a very nice um

1:48:50 ↗ list of uh municip bonds that had passed

1:48:53 ↗ and failed um but it's my understanding

1:48:56 ↗ that there's been a wave of bond

1:48:58 ↗ failures around school districts and so

1:49:01 ↗ I'm wondering if we could gather that

1:49:03 ↗ information uh my sister lives at

1:49:05 ↗ Spokane and I believe Spokane lost their

1:49:08 ↗ first Bond measure in the last 40 years

1:49:11 ↗ um most recently so um and I I think

1:49:16 ↗ it's legal for us to um get advice on

1:49:20 ↗ the political environment that we're in

1:49:23 ↗ and I would suggest that possibly we do

1:49:25 ↗ that now rather than later and that

1:49:28 ↗ would help us prepare and also perhaps

1:49:31 ↗ help us with the timing of any Community

1:49:34 ↗ engagement that we wanted to do around a

1:49:36 ↗ possible Bond measure um I think that

1:49:40 ↗ figuring out what where public sentiment

1:49:43 ↗ is right now about how much taxes

1:49:47 ↗ they're willing to uh assume and the

1:49:50 ↗ general feeling uh towards uh government

1:49:53 ↗ at this point would be would might be

1:49:55 ↗ really helpful information for us

1:50:00 ↗ thanks anybody

1:50:04 ↗ else okay we have said a lot you have

1:50:09 ↗ Administration uh I'd like to give the

1:50:11 ↗ chief chief Swan an opportunity to share

1:50:14 ↗ whatever she would wanted to

1:50:16 ↗ share Chief Schwan are you still there

1:50:26 ↗ I did receive a note saying she was all

1:50:29 ↗ good it was just toward an earlier

1:50:30 ↗ comment so she comes back

1:50:35 ↗ um you know thank you can you hear

1:50:38 ↗ me now we can now we

1:50:42 ↗ can I just wanted to say in touch face

1:50:45 ↗ that I know it's been mentioned that you

1:50:47 ↗ know we need more officers and I'm never

1:50:49 ↗ going to dispute that um at the same

1:50:52 ↗ time we are bursting at the students

1:50:54 ↗ inside the facility that we're in

1:50:56 ↗ unfortunately um and so that is a a a

1:51:00 ↗ definitive thing that in space that's a

1:51:03 ↗ big piece for us in the

1:51:07 ↗ future thank you Chief yeah thank

1:51:11 ↗ you again thank you all for your

1:51:13 ↗ comments um this is a lot and uh as we

1:51:16 ↗ said at the outset uh we need to get

1:51:19 ↗ moving and so appreciate all of the

1:51:21 ↗ feedback that you've given given us

1:51:22 ↗ tonight um it seems like there's two

1:51:25 ↗ buckets of of next steps one is sort of

1:51:29 ↗ a data bucket uh talking in specific

1:51:33 ↗ term more specific terms about where we

1:51:35 ↗ stand on fire uh perhaps talking in more

1:51:37 ↗ specific terms and where we stand with

1:51:39 ↗ the court um we have a committee of the

1:51:42 ↗ whole scheduled city clerk for the 13th

1:51:46 ↗ of May uh which this was the plan topic

1:51:49 ↗ to continue discussion so um I guess my

1:51:53 ↗ thought would be to use that meeting as

1:51:55 ↗ a data meeting um have additional

1:51:58 ↗ discussions with the uh Eire and rescue

1:52:01 ↗ they have all the information uh and

1:52:03 ↗ I'll just ask uh Chief Lane for

1:52:05 ↗ confirmation I I don't believe Chief

1:52:07 ↗ Lane you we've heard anything tonight

1:52:09 ↗ that you don't already uh have uh the

1:52:12 ↗ ability to share was that your sense as

1:52:14 ↗ well that's correct so we can pending on

1:52:18 ↗ schedules plan to give a full briefing

1:52:21 ↗ uh on the Fire fire station locations

1:52:23 ↗ calls for service issues um I'm a little

1:52:27 ↗ unclear as to how much more you'd like

1:52:29 ↗ to hear from the court as far as data

1:52:32 ↗ and issues are concerned

1:52:33 ↗ there um perhaps I think the second

1:52:37 ↗ buckets field trips and so we'll get

1:52:39 ↗ we'll get to the field trip bucket in a

1:52:41 ↗ second uh but we'll plan to talk about

1:52:43 ↗ data uh from fire and then um bottom and

1:52:48 ↗ Andrea I think there are other pieces of

1:52:50 ↗ information which we can share and walk

1:52:52 ↗ through

1:52:53 ↗ and so that probably is a meeting in and

1:52:55 ↗ of itself does that sound reasonable for

1:52:58 ↗ uh May

1:53:00 ↗ 13th yeah so we did already have another

1:53:03 ↗ meeting set out um and you feel like you

1:53:06 ↗ can get those again with the

1:53:09 ↗ confirmation from Chief Lane um as we

1:53:11 ↗ have talked about this over the last uh

1:53:14 ↗ you know 12 18 24 months all the

1:53:16 ↗ information you've asked for I think

1:53:18 ↗ we've all seen various forms so that's

1:53:21 ↗ we should be able to share that

1:53:23 ↗ um so then it comes to field trips um

1:53:26 ↗ certainly we would love to to show you

1:53:28 ↗ the current conditions of the facilities

1:53:30 ↗ we've talked about um also perhaps show

1:53:33 ↗ you current conditions of other uh

1:53:35 ↗ Municipal facilities in the area um that

1:53:38 ↗ we would you know of comparable

1:53:40 ↗ communities um I think it's important

1:53:42 ↗ that you do this all together versus

1:53:45 ↗ doing it in vits and pieces um so would

1:53:49 ↗ the council uh be willing for the admin

1:53:52 ↗ ation to work with Council leadership on

1:53:54 ↗ what that might look like um you know

1:53:57 ↗ over one or two meetings um depending on

1:54:01 ↗ how much ground we need to cover uh we

1:54:03 ↗ may also I mean the reality is the fire

1:54:05 ↗ station is next door um you know perhaps

1:54:08 ↗ as we look at the agenda for the meeting

1:54:11 ↗ on the 13th if it makes sense to start

1:54:14 ↗ there um and then come back back in the

1:54:16 ↗ council chambers um just in order to

1:54:19 ↗ cross that off the list figuring the

1:54:21 ↗ other location are not adjacent to the

1:54:24 ↗ chambers and will require transport so

1:54:27 ↗ um I think those are the two next steps

1:54:30 ↗ um in you know in talking with mayor

1:54:32 ↗ Paulie and and communicating with her

1:54:34 ↗ this evening um she feels still very

1:54:36 ↗ strongly about moving forward with a

1:54:39 ↗ community task force and so I think we

1:54:40 ↗ will talk about that as well on May 13th

1:54:44 ↗ uh and share perhaps the mayor will join

1:54:46 ↗ us and share more of her thinking or or

1:54:49 ↗ I can as her agent to do that um but

1:54:52 ↗ again this is hard stuff um there's a

1:54:55 ↗ lot of critical pieces here and and we

1:54:57 ↗ appreciate the council's willingness to

1:55:00 ↗ roll up his sleeves and and be very

1:55:01 ↗ forthright Deputy council president D

1:55:03 ↗ Michelle and I had a a great

1:55:05 ↗ conversation this afternoon when she

1:55:07 ↗ rolled out her list and I said please

1:55:10 ↗ bring it I mean we want to hear what

1:55:12 ↗ these issues are because if they're

1:55:13 ↗ issues for you they're going to be

1:55:14 ↗ issues for members of the community and

1:55:16 ↗ better that we bat through them now uh

1:55:20 ↗ than later so um we'll plan uh council

1:55:23 ↗ president then to uh put together an

1:55:26 ↗ agenda working with Council leadership

1:55:27 ↗ for the May 13th c um that will be

1:55:31 ↗ mostly data and if we can make a visit

1:55:33 ↗ next door to the fire station we'll do

1:55:35 ↗ that uh and then look at another date

1:55:39 ↗ probably two dates that would be more

1:55:40 ↗ field trip get in the van and go take a

1:55:44 ↗ look at stuff does that make sense to

1:55:45 ↗ you makes sense for me um what I'd like

1:55:49 ↗ to hear from Council Members probably

1:55:51 ↗ just over email or give me a call is

1:55:54 ↗ what your thoughts are on field trips

1:55:56 ↗ what you need to see what you think

1:55:59 ↗ would be valuable um timing Etc things

1:56:03 ↗ like that so if you could get back to me

1:56:05 ↗ that would be great council member Ms

1:56:07 ↗ just to comment about the 13th uh I will

1:56:10 ↗ be in uh finishing a trip to Boseman

1:56:13 ↗ Montana to watch my youngest graduate

1:56:15 ↗ with his college degree so unfortunately

1:56:16 ↗ I will not be here but I will be a proud

1:56:20 ↗ pop we will be thinking about you and

1:56:23 ↗ your son at that

1:56:24 ↗ point um okay I think we have provided a

1:56:29 ↗ lot I think the administration's given

1:56:32 ↗ us some potential next steps for more

1:56:34 ↗ information I'll look forward to hearing

1:56:37 ↗ from council members

1:56:39 ↗ and with that anything else staff over

1:56:43 ↗ in the corner far far away okay well um

1:56:48 ↗ yeah I was just going to go back to the

1:56:51 ↗ agenda it items um yeah good of the

1:56:55 ↗ order Deputy council president so fellow

1:56:57 ↗ council members there is a list of

1:57:01 ↗ commissions and board meetings coming up

1:57:03 ↗ where uh we are hoping that we can get

1:57:05 ↗ you to sign up and go out and thank uh

1:57:09 ↗ our commissions and uh boards so um

1:57:13 ↗ council member Hall thank you so much

1:57:14 ↗ for participating and the rest of

1:57:18 ↗ you shame and guilt so uh and if you

1:57:23 ↗ need me to refresh that email just let

1:57:25 ↗ me know I'll send it to you uh and we've

1:57:27 ↗ got the signup sheet online

1:57:33 ↗ thanks and that's what leadership is for

1:57:37 ↗ sometimes is just to bring a little bit

1:57:40 ↗ honest truth to everybody but everybody

1:57:42 ↗ participated so nicely tonight so

1:57:45 ↗ appreciate that uh with that we are

1:57:47 ↗ adjourned at 8:28 p.m. thank you

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Council / Members (7)

Barbara de Michele

Zach Hall

Victoria Hunt

Russell Joe

Tola Marts

Chris Reh

Lindsey Walsh