St area and for those of you in our
studio audience for those that would
like to speak at the public hearing
please sign your name and we will call
you up when I'm done with my
presentation I'm not sure why the crowds
aren't here um this for some of you
might be your first public hearing and
the way we do public hearings is um it's
how you make your recommendations to the
city council is you read up on all the
materials that we send you uh you get to
ask staff any clarifying question
questions for on the topic before we
open it up to public comment um then you
hear the public comment and you Ponder
and see if you need any clarifications
again from staff with a new information
perhaps it's been presented and then you
talk amongst yourselves and you make can
make a motion and discuss the motion and
all that kind of thing and then that's
when you get to vote um if we if you
have questions along the way feel free
to ask about any part of the procedure
um we're all going to just learn
together no no worries at all that's the
beauty of ppcs we pretty informal okay
so I'm going to start out um it's a
public hearing tonight on a
comprehensive plan Amendment um we're
allowed to amend the comprehensive plan
um once a year according to the state
and um the exception is if you adopt um
something with your annual budget you
can do that in addition to your one a
year so we'll actually be doing the
budget one with the capital facilities
element at the end of the year and this
one in the middle of the year so we're
going to do two this year but one since
one is with a budget um it's okay it
fits within the state um requirements so
our first comprehensive plan of the year
is the removal the proposed removal of a
potential annexation area from the city
back when growth management was done in
1990s one of the first things we did was
um all the cities had what we called
potential annexation areas outside their
cities and those would be the areas
within 20 years that the cities had to
commit to take to Annex and provide them
with sewer water uh police and fire and
all those Urban services and the areas
outside the urban growth line would be
available only for Rural services like
Sheriff uh uh the water would be like um
well water kind of things um not the
urban services and that was supposed to
save some money for municipal
governments for service provision and so
the county would be in charge of uh like
Recreation and open space that kind of
thing regionally and the cities would be
in charge of um police fire um those
kinds of urban
services so um this is the clani paa as
it as it is now and these are the
remaining city
paas um that that are that are left when
back in 1990 those of you that were here
would know that um you know you know
this qua Highlands was a paa Talis over
to the West Was a pa um there was an
area down south
here um was a PA Park point was a paa
South Cove Greenwood Point was a PA so
we've been north um Providence Point
North isqua uh we've been really busy
with annexing since growth Management in
the early
90s so the the comprehensive plan
Amendment today before you is to remove
the Kahan paa and by removing it then it
would be available for samamish to take
it into their paa and and try to Annex
it um as I said we've had it Clan's been
in our paa since we first adopted our
growth management consistent
comprehensive plan back in
1995 we did a big study in uh 2004 to
see what the impact of uh its annexation
to the city would be with revenues and
um all the projection and how much it
would cost us to serve them um we had a
vote with them and with Greenwood Point
I point to Joan because she was um very
involved in that part of the Greenwood
Point South Cove annexation and was on
the the study team we had the vote the
clan vote failed the South Co vote did
not fail and so the city council took in
South Cove Greenwood Point and did not
take in
Kahani several years later we up we were
asked again by the Kahani residents we
updated the study we um had another vote
again it narrowly missed uh Council
pondered for a little bit what should
they do should they try to take part
should they think about it for a while
should they wait and try it again and
they decided uh that they would have a
discussion with samam city of samamish
and figure out if there was some more
Regional issues that could be better
served with both both of us working
together and part of that discussion was
to switch the uh Clan paa to
samamish and so I believe I put that in
your um packet so you could see all the
different pieces of that agreement that
the city council's put together and so
part of what has to happen to remove the
Kahan paa is to go through the process
and so that begins with you all as I
mentioned last time we were together it
is extremely rare for you to receive
direction from the council that seems
predetermined I've been here over 20
years and this is only the second time
that I can think of when Council took an
action and then they sent it to PPC and
said could you process this please you
know it it's it seems backwards it is
backwards but that's just happens to be
the way that this particular project is
going because I think because we've
tried so many times that this is sort of
The Next Step that they want to take
with clani and and again you can totally
vote against it you can recommend
against it that's totally in your
purview and I and they would be
disappointed if you didn't vote with you
know your head and your heart and all
the things you're supposed to vote with
it doesn't mean you have to rubber stamp
it they still want to hear your opinion
and why um it's just very odd that that
there's an agreement out here and that
we're processing it it it doesn't happen
very often so I don't want you to feel
that you're just a rubber stamp because
you're
not so tonight you have one question on
the5 vote uh what was the percentage
breakdown as far as that vote if you
recall um what the council had said back
then it was interesting there were two
questions on the ballot one was do you
want to be part of the city of isqua and
the second one was do you want to take
or would you are you willing to take the
bonded indebtedness and they said the
Council was very clear when they set
that and said we need
a majority or it had to be way up there
for them both they both had to pass by a
certain amount for Council to say yes
and South Cove came in with FL you know
flying colors they came above both of
the of the bars that Council set but
Kahani the vote Yes we want to be in the
city came in above the bar but the will
you take our bonded indebtedness did not
come above the bar and so when they
looked at it that South Cove followed
the directions and and did what they
were supposed to do and Kahan didn't
quite do it even though council could
have taken Kahani but not with the
Bonnet of dness they said you know it
just didn't seem Equitable because South
Cove because there were two votes on the
same day and one of them seemed to
understand it and the other group you
know didn't so they chose not to take
Clan because they didn't reach the bar
on both of them can you remember what
the percentages
were
um I'm sure I have it somewhere I didn't
bring it but it was I I think I think an
the annexation vote passed about 65% yes
and bond deadness failed I want to say
four it was in the 40s yeah was like 45
or
47% in that area
so okay and that answers my question my
my question was geared towards whether
the most recent vote was a decrease in
support or an increase over the last
vote no well the this this vote
there only was one question will you
Annex with AB bonded indebtedness and
that one failed by 31 votes right it was
something there it was a handful of
votes so but we only had one question
this time we thought we're going to make
it really clearcut this time and and it
failed so that it was it was a lot of
work we went through a lot of of of work
and Outreach and all those good things
and just still missed it just by an
oomph um so tonight tonight we get to
talk about that a little bit um in the
public hearing and also as a since I as
I mentioned we only get this one shot to
do comp plan amendments until December
when we do the budget piece there are
two things that already happened that we
wanted to tuck into this amendment as
sort of housekeeping amendments and one
is the central isqua plan we wanted to
put those numbers in the population and
housing um projection chart because
since the the central plan already was
adopted and people off and say well your
population charts off well it's off
because we haven't been able to do the
comp plan amendments yet you know
because they they don't always go
together so we we updated that and we
also there was an annexation that
happened right at the end of the year it
was right before you all adopted the
comp plan amendments last year it was
just missed it by this much it was the
last Almost the last day of the year and
so we tucked that and because that's
also in the housing and population chart
so we fixed that as well on on this cuz
we thought wow we're amending that table
anyway we should make it as correct as
we can so those two pieces are in there
as
well and your role as I mentioned before
um you know Talk Amongst yourselves
listen to the public comments that I
don't think we'll take a long time
tonight um uh talk ask clarifying
questions and then um make a
recommendation through your voting and
then um look at the findings of fact and
see if those Express um the thoughts
that you have on on
it are um if you're curious what happens
next if you should um if this as it goes
to the council um they would have the
council would have to approve the
amendment to remove it then the samam
city council has to make an amendment to
their paas to add it King County has to
agree to change the paa map that they
have because they're the keeper of all
the paas from isqua to samamish and then
it goes to the growth management
planning Council which is all of the
regional jurisdictions they have to
ratify that the paa changes so it's
quite an elaborate process and if if it
does all work through the annexation
vote may come up maybe at the end of
2015 depending on how how all the ducks
in a row fit for for everything because
there's there's a lot of ducks
here are there questions about what
happens tonight
if you can get through it tonight it
goes to the council June 2nd the
committee the land use committee we talk
about it on the the 10th and we're
hoping that there'd be final action at
least from our Council July
7th okay oops and this is the new the
new and improved population chart I know
it's probably too small to
see but it's in your packet and this
this is just one of the maps without
without Kanani in the top corner but
there all the maps and everything are in
your packet any
questions for me before we open up the
public
hearing yes sir Trish can you explain I
know I'm looking reading ahead on the
uh findings of fact
yes it states valuation of clani
paa potential annexation area update the
comprehensive plan to potentially reach
part or
all that's what the docket said when the
council did the uh what does that mean
what part would we keep or that was okay
when we did the docket in January and
February there we didn't have the vote
yet the vote was in February and Council
said if we didn't know what would happen
and so they put that they kept that on
there to say that
not knowing what the vote was going to
happen that if something happened and
the vote failed they weren't sure what
they would do so they kind of put all
their options in the little box in the
docket to say well maybe we'd keep some
maybe we wouldn't keep some but they
didn't want to have that discussion
before the vote was Final and certified
so shouldn't this be done changed to
release well no that's well that's still
what the docket says the docket they
adopted says that they're going to take
some sort of action on clani this
year we can't go sadly we can't go back
and change the docket that's a once a
year thing there's still question on the
the one
area that uh that was over
80% positive that maybe why that's still
in there well that that's why they they
had it in there before it was certified
because there was talk right after the
vote was certified because the area to
the South came in the numbers were very
high to Annex to to isqua and so for one
uh work session the council looked at
what would it take to just serve that
area and Annex that area and they talked
all about it and they
thought there was just a lot of issues
with alienating the rest of the area and
there were a lot of issues so they
decided just to start talking to
samamish to see if there were other ways
other Regional fixes that could happen
if if we chose to work together on it
but they were certainly before the vote
was certified and it was so close they
were trying to keep all their options in
when they put the little the little
sentence in the
docket so if we um go on to the
agreement that was signed yes um there
is
a uh discussion in there of of the
roadway yes and when we were originally
talking about um annexing the area the
cost of updating that road was like18
million and and there's only 3 million
set aside well that's in the beginning
they have to set aside 3 million that's
sort of like in real estate they call it
the um earnest money the yeah earnest
earnest money I know but 3 million and 8
million I just think it's going to take
a long time in order to get money put
together so that road is going to be
there for quite a while just the way it
is right but we wanted to be sure that
because you're right in when we had our
boundary review board
um hearings they were very quick to
testify how quickly they could fix the
road and that they wouldn't need any
money from the state and they so we put
a lot of that into the agreement that
they met they they stated at the
boundary review board hearings that they
were going to fix the road relatively
fast they weren't going to take the
state credit for
annexing and so we just made sure that
they were that they do that say it that
they're going to go and ask for funds
they can ask for funds for the road but
they can't ask for State funds to help
them uh service this area the um there
are funds that we were going to use that
would help you in that the first few
years to to provide services but they
said that that one of the reasons that
they should be able to Annex clani is
because they didn't need the money to
help do the services the money they
didn't need it that's the money they
didn't wasn't available anymore I
thought you had to take it in a certain
time frame you did but we just wanted to
be sure that if it should ever be
available or if it should ever be that
that we keep them to what they
said so does anybody else have any
questions any
ideas you all read the scratched
up okay do you do you have a guest toit
is I'm just curious it's not going to
make a difference in regards to what
we're going to do probably but what was
the voter turnout did they have a p did
they get a guesstimate
um you only lost by 30 some votes but
was there only you know 67 people voting
or something or did they have a high
percentage of response it was let oh see
on my other PowerPoint I had the the um
we had the numbers when we talked to
council about it um but it was less than
what did you
say right it was a smaller for as
excitable as the area was I was
surprised that the turnout wasn't as
high enough right well that the turnout
and I I by the way my name is my Foss
I'm in the PA and the turnout was quite
good the turnout was in the 50 plus
percent
voted
umal H better than pres I mean the the
response was strong I mean i' I've got
to be honest and I will state UPF front
I was very very active in the Pro isqua
side of the campaign and um
uh
watch the whole
process uh you know if you look at that
the the Northern end of the paa is very
much attached to Sam Hamish the smaller
part uh I'm in one of those areas or
districts that are U uh I think we came
in at the highest
74.8% or something like that was very
high in terms of yes um and so you know
we were disappointed but that's okay it
happens those things happen uh but uh
yeah it was a good
turnout um there other questions sure
one uh was there any
uh discussion during the council
meetings as far
as what would happen if the vote comes
down similarly over a number of years
for samamish in in essence clani
refusing to Annex is there any
provisions for the PA reverting back or
being potentially renegotiated if it
came to that that was one of the reasons
they talked about not splitting it
because they were afraid that if it
split it would be hard to get the rest
of them to to come into samamish you
know because there'd be fewer that would
be voting fewer to take it over the top
and but we were open that if if they
can't get it annexed by for whatever
reason you know if Kahan is just
separated and they can't make up their
mind then we would be happy to look at
it again if you know in 10 years it
still is out there in King County cuz I
I think the clani folks just desperately
want to be with the city they want
police protection they want um to be you
know treated like a a real City where
because King County hasn't really been a
good Steward for them so I think if it
happened if 10 years are out and they
still aren't able to Annex for whatever
reason I think we would probably
Entertain You know trying it again you
know talking to samamish and find
finding out what's the problem where
where is it going wrong I think we would
always because we're the only other ones
that could take it it has to be one of
the jurisdictions just an FYI to that
comment um I recently attended a meeting
on the other side of the spectrum with
samamish had a conversation with one of
their key
Executives uh and there is a concern to
be very honest with you because the
vote
for um annexation
was 49.6 50.4 or something in that
number I can't exactly get the correct
number now they don't they're not going
to go for the bonded indebtedness but
they still have to get 50 plus
one um and I had a a long conversation
with one of their people that was like
how do you feel do you think they're
going to go for it do you think the
people in clani are going to step up and
he was concerned about will they go to
the polls will we get the same same kind
of
turnout um so there is a concern and
they're they're going to campaign from
what I can see pretty aggressively to um
try and convince the voters in the paa
to to go with some Amish but there is a
serious concern that because all they
have to get is
50% if they lose people that don't go to
the polls because they don't know when
it's going to happen it could be
September it could be August it could
November if they don't get the people to
go or if there's a contingent of the
group that still wants to believe it or
not stay in King County which I have
trouble understanding um having lived
there um you know they they've got some
concern about will it hit the 50% if it
doesn't go 50 plus one the paa stays in
King
County and then until somebody can take
until somebody steps up or the State
forces King County to to dispense of
their their U right annexation areas so
right the continuing Saga of bahani yes
I just want to clarify you talked about
it passing back to to do that we' have
to go through a similar process I mean
absolutely I mean because what we're
doing is we're officially releasing it
so it'd be a very long involved process
it's not just okay we'll take it back
now you guys didn't make it it' have
another you know process of everybody
agreeing and and pass
be just the oppos be pretty hard to
happen after they voted it down twice
here right because they would have to
release it we would have to take it King
County would have to yeah it would be it
would be a lot of deja just oh you
didn't get it we'll take it back right
well could it just stay as King County I
mean what's the what's it could the
thing is the piece of growth management
though is that all these potential
annexation areas are supposed to be
within a city within the 20 years
because then the services are more
efficient to provide all that good stuff
but
some of them are just harder than others
considering what we are voting on um the
fact that uh in public com comment
there's nobody here and the fact that uh
the mayor seems to have negotiated what
I think is a good deal and the fact that
uh this annexation issue has come up
several times has been voted down
several times and it seems clear that if
you take Kahani as a whole not just the
southern part uh uh they're not in favor
of it so uh why not approve what the uh
mayor negotiated and what the council is
asking for and let's get on with it is
that a motion I so
move any further discussion did you do
you want to open the public hearing just
so Susan can write it
down yeah we will continue the
discussion after the public hearing
thank you forgot we didn't open so I
will open the officially open the public
hearing at
65959 and uh seeing that there is nobody
that is willing to make any comments I
will officially close the public hearing
at 659 and a
half duly noted so getting back to the
discussion is there any further
discussion all those in favor of
accepting what the council has approved
not the council the mayoras mayor of the
two cities have approved as uh is
presented here tonight all those in
favor say I I
opposed motion carries and the second
motion do you um that someone should
make is to allow the chairperson to sign
the findings of
fact or if there's any um issues with
the findings of fact that you would want
to change or eded or
anything uh since you had no further
questions I assumed that you had read
the and that was approved along with it
so if I need a motion to allow me to
sign as
uh uh accepting what is uh been
presented I moved it you accept
sign do I have a second all those in
favor I excellent good good job good job
your first public
hearing not
like hi there I'm Jason Rogers uh I work
with Trish in the development services
department I know most of you haven't
met me yet because I wasn't here two
weeks ago um but here I am and tonight
I'll be talking about the next couple of
elements in our conference of plan
period periodic update the utilities and
public services element and the capital
facilities
element so just a quick refresher we're
GNA okay well that's a
typo we're going to understand the
elements I just mentioned and we'll go
through the list of goals for those two
elements um just a quick refresher you
saw this two weeks ago this is the new
format we're using IF for the conference
of plan with the introduction vision GMA
requirements and then working down
through the
list um and then the basics again just a
quick refresher with the what a goal is
what and how we get down through
policies and then
implementation so first up we'll do the
utilities and public services element
and so what we're looking at is just the
high level things we're not looking at
specific policies or implementation
tonight so this is important because the
the utilities and public services
element um really tries to address all
of our utilities within the city and
this includes you know the the water
sewer storm water but also utilities
like the private utilities to to the
extent we can our Public Services like
police and fire protection um and also
the element addresses how the city
proposes to provide services to areas of
the city that are not served and there
are a couple and also how the city would
propose to serve potential annexation
areas should they come into the
city so the vision for the utilities and
public services element um has four
elements to it and you can see them on
the screen here they're also in your
packet um the city will ensure its
utilities are maintained and improved
while minimizing disruptions to affected
areas when utility improvements and new
construction are required uh we'll
coordinate utilities and public
facilities to ensure needed utility
services will be available when
development
occurs um we will encourage utility
conservation efforts that minimize
demand for natural resources and we will
provide efficient and cost effective
public services so we try to do all
these things today of course um you you
see so for example the second one there
um through the development process we
coordinate you know developers need to
extend water lines and Sewer lines they
need to work with P sun energy to extend
natural gas and power lines into these
new developments so that they can get
served by the full range of utilities
that everybody else has we ensure that
there's Solid Waste Service when new
developments come in and we work to make
sure that you know a departments have an
appropriate place for all the waste
containers one of the big things we have
to do is it's not just trash it's also
recycling it's also the food waste the
compost which can result in some pretty
big spaces to put these these bins um
and that's been something we've had to
be very mindful of especially um with
all the development going
on does anybody have comments on this
questions
okay
third um element the city will encourage
utility conservation efforts that
minimize demand for natural
resources um is there any thought on
updating that to include um some kind of
green specifics there um two words that
come to mind carbon neutrality and zero
impact
initiatives that's something we can
certainly look into
um the so the office the office of
sustainability has been working on a on
a um carbon plant I don't know if you
any of you have seen it but it's it's
they called the carbon wedge it's just a
big WG shaped thing where it shows here
and the Baseline is 2007 it shows here's
the amount
of carbon emissions the city has as of
07 and if you project the the growth
we've had historically it goes up like
this the objective is to reduce instead
of growing that much to reduce by 50%
the city's carbon impact over a 50-year
period and so that's something that
we're certainly working on in a in a big
picture sense but the ways of getting
there of course are many and varied but
that's definitely something we can look
into adding right and the landu element
that we did two weeks ago has the carbon
um emissions goal in it and it talks
about um the King County Target that
we're supposed to hit and that I think
we just adopted that one right outright
that we're in alignment with the same
one that the county is which is is it 0
80 by 2000 yeah I think um but that's a
that was a big one that we adopted
several years ago when we first started
working on the carbon plan yeah and and
there would be C certainly
implementations like you mentioned of
specific things that we can do to help
get that number down that'll be in there
okay anybody
else okay so that's the vision um these
are the GMA requirements um they're they
might sound a little dry but these come
directly out of the um or rather F these
come out directly out of the grow the
growth management act um the first one
is you you you've also seen the first
one in the land use element because it
sits there too but because it it talks
about public facilities and
services um it also ends up in the
utilities and public services element
because we need to ensure that um all
the elements are connected together that
all the elements are working in concert
um so that's one of the requirements
that also comes through um the second
one there is ensure that those public
facilities that are necessary to support
development shall be adequate to serve
the development at the time so this gets
at the concurrency um thing that you'll
and you'll hear a lot more about
concurrency when you you hear about the
transportation element because that's
where concurrency is mostly focused but
concurrency also applies to all the
other utilities and public services that
we need to have sufficient um we need to
have enough of these services to meet
the needs of the people we've got and
the people who are coming
in and then the last one and this is
very specific to the utilities and
public services element is we need to
show the general location and proposed
location of all of our existing proposed
utilities um in practice this is so in
the current Conference of plan there's a
very generalized map showing a lot of
these
things going forward we're not we're
planning to not have that directly in
the plan because that's a document that
changes quite a bit you know we do water
main Replacements we add new sewer lines
constantly that's easier to maintain as
a separate that we incorporate by
reference into the pl so that we can
just keep it up without having to come
back to the planning policy commission
and the city council every year saying
okay here's all the new lines we added
let's update the map that's kind of
silly and and not the best use of all of
our
time but any comments on or questions I
guess on on
these all right so this is so the the
goals here are broken down into um
categories so the first the first couple
the first several here are general ones
and these are intended to apply to all
of the various utilities as a whole and
how we want to have Ser service
provision within the city so the first
one you can see facilitate the
development of all utilities and public
services at the appropriate levels to
accommodate isqua's plan growth this is
obviously a very um you know it doesn't
sound like much but it's very
significant because we don't want people
to not have water we want to make sure
that when people come in we have enough
water to serve them one of the examples
of of forward looking we've done is you
know we're part of cascade water
Alliance and there's the regional water
line that comes down Newport Way from
bellw to help provide water to isqua um
that that um big water line is providing
water to the highlands today because we
didn't have enough water from the city
Wells to be able to provide water to the
highlands so that's one of those long
range planning things that we had to do
to ensure that we had appropriate um
Utility
Services um for sewer you know there's
been a lot of improvements made to the
big to the Metro System um Bright Water
is a good example none of our sewage
goes to Brightwater but sewage that
formerly went to the Renton plant which
is where our sewage goes now goes to
Brightwater so that and that's a big
regional thing obviously we were
involved in that
too
yes is there anywhere in the plan that
tells us what the appropriate level of
these utilities are yes there is um
so it's not so so for all of the various
utilities like the water utility or the
sewer utility there's actually a
separate system plan which is maintained
by the public works engineering
department and it talks and it has very
specific measures about for example how
many gallons per minute of water flow
needs to be available both for domestic
consumption and for fir flow just for
one example so it's very very specific
about how much storage you need how much
flow you need where where you need to
have Mains we don't we incorporate that
plan by reference into the conference of
plan but again because that's a document
that is it's a very technical document
it's also hundreds of pages long um it
would make the conference planed a lot
thicker than it is so the details
exist
at and to go from 32,000 to
55,000 yes in 15 years
when the city um when they're doing a
planning are they actually looking at
what how they're going to get to be able
to support 55,000 people are they taking
it in
chunks um well I mean the growth isn't
all going to happen at once it would
obviously happen over a period of years
and so it over 15 years is what the what
your numbers right and so we we would
make incremental improvements um you
know we're not drawing for example we're
not drawing fully on the Cascade water
Alliance Pipeline right now like I said
it's only serving the highlands there's
another inner tie to help us serve Talis
and tie to the rest of the city so you
know we we've planned ahead in the past
we'll continue to plan ahead in the
future to ensure that you know we need
to be able to accommodate this growth
and you know if you look at the
population chart there's nobody zero
people zero housing units in the urban
core today and the plan is to
have 6,000 some OD in six in in 17 years
so that's definitely something we're
we're aware of and are thinking about
how we're going to do it okay you got a
plan we have a plan you got a plan so
right and part of the central plan was
making sure that we had enough water for
those growth
targets and that's hard to do I
understand you know you don't know what
is going to be there but you have to
have some idea while you're putting in a
over here will it feed and eventually
feed off of that and all of the things
put together yeah they use our targets
when they update their water and sewer
plan so we're working together
on um so I I've looked through the the
plan and the only real question I have
uh relates to the uh sewage flow
estimations and
okay a little so I I see that we have a
2001 estimate of
um 1 million gallons per day with an
estimate of 2 million gallons per day by
2020 do you do you know one where we're
at currently and two what our capacity
is um I don't know right now the the
most recent sewer system plan you
probably SE in there is actually from
quite some time ago although it's it's
next on pwe's list to update um the good
news about sewer flows is that they very
closely mirror water flows because what
goes in comes back out most of the time
so
um so long as we're you know it makes
the math somewhat easy and that if we're
accounting for the water flow properly
we know how much sewer flow we need to
account for one of the things to address
that of course like I said the there's
been some improvements made made to a
Metro U main Interceptor line Metro's
made all these big improvements um
obviously you know one of the things we
generally require is that development
pay for their for the extension of of
the various lines to serve their their
development so we're definitely
accounting for I don't but like I said I
don't know exactly where we are with
with these numbers at the moment um
we'll find out
though anything
else Jason uh just from
a grammatical point is there any way to
break up
that um extremely R long runon sentence
so that it reads a little easier yes we
can definitely do that thank you these
are these are a lot of these are in the
existing element um and this element
doesn't get updated that often but
yes okay so I'll move on to the next
ones here these are some more of the
general goals here so process permits
and approvals for utilities um you know
quickly um and then the the plan should
be integrated to ensure that we have
services that able to support
development that's consistent with the
land use PL so this is more that
integration with the land use element I
was mentioning earlier um and also that
we need to have a process because like I
said most of our new infrastructure is
built by developers to our
specifications but it but it's built by
them when they develop and so we need to
make sure that those permits get
processed quickly so that we're you know
utilities aren't holding development
up Mak
sense
okay um so this is the goal specific to
the water
utility um and this talks about and
maybe this would be an area where we
could take Carl's suggestion and break
this up because you can see it's
actually got several things going on in
it you know it's talking about
protecting the aquifer reliable levels
of service um you know make sure we're
taking care of future supplies so this
could easily be broken up into multiple
individual goals that have individual
policy to support them or we can keep it
all as one big goal um I don't know if
if anybody has a preference that way or
if it would read better one way or
another well I just reading these it
just seems like anytime you start using
the word
bu than anything after that to me is a
policy but I mean it seemed to me that
your provide for the city's long-term
water needs
period That's the
goal and then all the rest would be how
here's how we're going to do it okay and
and I would you know second that concern
um most everything in there um except
for the very end conservation reuse
measures I look at that as more of a
overarching goal to make sure we're
planning for the needs but also planning
for conservation measures and um you
know like I said a green and zero impact
measures so seems like we could shorten
that to provide for the city's long-term
water needs um while ensuring
conservation reuse measures are or
conservation and uh zero impact measures
are provided for
yeah um you know one one thing that's
and and we don't really mention it but
one thing that's very complicated with
the utilities element is and you don't
see it here but so we put the the goal
here and then there's a giant list and
for water there
are 34 individual policies and these
policies are all in the water system
plan and the water system Plan update
recently got approved by the city
council and so it's a bit of a chicken
and egg issue where the conference of
plan and the system plan need to be
consistent but which one comes first um
and do you need all these individual
policies and where do they fall so
that's going to be one of the challenges
we have specific to utilities it's not
really present in any of the other
elements because they don't generally
have Council approved um other documents
floating around you know the central Lo
plan is one example obviously the land
use settlement will be consistent there
um and so I I only mentioned that in
that yes there like some of these things
here sound policy like and there's all
this huge list of policies that we have
to somehow figure out how to accommodate
so we'll definitely work on that and and
talk more about conservation and try to
shorten these
up you said earlier that
um we we hadn't prepared well enough or
something like that for when the
highlands was de was developed that we
had to rely on Cascade or that they had
a inner tie yeah I'm just kind of
curious about
um our ability to be self-reliant um if
you know something never Happ
that we could provide our water
ourselves rather than rely on Cascade so
as of today the city actually does have
sufficient water rights to do that if we
were to somehow lose Cascade water but
that you know that would be a temporary
measure we have U and the and the this
water system plan talks in a lot more
detail about exactly what the city's
water rights are and how many how much
they can provide per day and there's
some and there are some frankly some
pretty strict limits um on how much
water we can draw from our wells today
you know and we have to be cons we have
to work in in concert with smash Plateau
Water and Sewer District because several
of their Wells are very close to several
of our wells so if we both start drawing
up the straw the water level drops and
we nobody gets any water so it's it's a
compated balancing act of course um so
certainly an emergency at the moment we
can accommodate it but for future growth
we definitely need another water source
um you know one of the options for
frankly would be to tr attempt to
acquire additional water rights but
that's a a long complicated process with
the Department of
ecology um and from a policy standpoint
the city has elected to join together
with the other member cities of cascade
um to develop other
sources I want to piggy back on his
question um what about the parts of
isqua that are on the Belleview water
system right over in montro was right so
when we annexed it it was so the general
answer there is um montro water so
monro's mantro water supply comes from B
although the the physical infrastructure
belongs to this city greenw Point South
Cove is completely bellw bellw owns the
infrastructure bellw supplies the water
um we're currently in the beginning
stages of talking to bellev about
assuming um their portions of the of the
system within our city limits because
growth management act calls for the
cities to provide those those Urban
public services within their boundaries
that's where we had the thing with with
saman Plateau the last couple years
that's been negotiated about um like I
said we're talking to bie about doing
that um I don't know the long-term plans
as to how that water supply would
continue right now what happens is Belle
has a meter on the inner tie and they
just they bill us for how much water and
that is pass through to the individual
excuse me utility
customers before we move on I want to go
back to Paul's comment about um the
highlands and it it was a phased
development agreement for 20 years and
so it wasn't that we weren't ready for
them to grow we wouldn't let them grow
like for example they they got to have
500 homes before The Interchange was
built and they couldn't get anymore
until we built the interchange with them
and we wouldn't let them get a certain
amount of houses um after that 500 until
we had a regional water solution figured
out so we used them and that sort of
Leverage to have them help us partner to
get the inner tie because they couldn't
grow any farther until they had the
water and then we would let them have
people move into the houses so it was
sort of a phased 20-year plan that that
we helped and the developer helped
Leverage The Water Service because we
weren't going to let them have houses
until that was all figured out so I just
wanted to sort of flip it the other way
around is is that's how we got the the
um the inner tie was we worked with a
developer because we knew that they
wanted to have water for their folks and
we knew that we couldn't provide water
until we had the service so we we did
that
together Jason you we talked about sores
that in here says that you would add
more sores if where where in the city
would you be
adding so so I'll skip ahead I'll put
the sewer utility here so um we have
sewer Lines within the city we have pump
stations in various places and the the
whole gener for for those who aren't
technically inclined the whole concept
of of sewers is the stuff flows downhill
as you might suspect so whole idea is to
get it all to flow downhill into the
various big and we're talking really big
Metro sewer lines and those sewer lines
transport it to the treatment
plants
um the suit the lines are generally in
underneath our roads um there there are
standards for which side of the road
which things go on so they're very
careful with that um and the sewer
system plan talks about you know there's
a for example there's a deficiency in
this one area and so longterm we'll need
to correct that for more development or
maybe this sewer line is very old so
we'll need to replace that in the next
five years um so these things are we are
counting for these things and again like
Trisha is saying we we also will get the
developers to help us pay for this and
in some cases we can even say before you
can do anything you need to install the
sewers so one example is we generally
speaking will not let anybody in the
city develop on a septic system um for a
variety of policy reasons stemming from
sain County Public Health to local city
policy and so before you can get a
certificate of occupancy for a for
example a single family house you you
need to have a sewer line plugged in no
I just meant is there any area of the
city now that is not on sources system
Sycamore
syamore where Sycamore syamore yeah
parts of the Sycamore neighborhood are
the biggest example and is the um Lewis
Lane still that I don't know about Lewis
Lane I know so the the so I know the
lower parts of Sycamore that are close
to the creek are not I think parts of
Lis Lane still might not be the the
stuff above Sycamore up on the hill side
is generally served by sewer because one
came in through the sunrise project um
some number of years ago they're not on
big enough Lots up there to be on the
septic so
correct
okay oh
um up up the hill um overdale overdale
thank you is also on on septic although
that's within C Plateau water sewer
District's service area and so the
city's utility does not serve that um so
that's something that that Sam plat
addresses
okay so this I have a question also um
it's kind of similar to the water
question that I have but just kind of
looking regionally um has there ever
been a discussion of a treatment plant
so we can be more self-reliant I'm just
kind of curious of History discussions
or that so that that goes I can hit so
that goes all the way back frankly to
the to the 60s and 70s where back and I
hate to go all the way back that far but
back then individual cities largely were
dumping we were on a lot of septics
systems City individual cities were
having to take their sewage and do
something with it whether they were
treated or simply just dumping it
straight into rivers and lakes and so
what we ended up with was Lake
Washington for example was severely
polluted and a variety of of communities
and and business people got together and
formed the met the municipality of
Metropolitan Seattle Metro they built
the West Point treatment plant they
built the rent and treatment plant they
have built today you know today and
today it's King County
um and they built Bright Water so we
deal with sewage treatment regionally
partly because these plants are
extremely expensive Bright Water alone
cost over a billion dollars and it's and
of course it's designed to serve a very
large service area a lot of people but
it would it's basically cost prohibitive
for isqua to go alone um not it could be
done but I think you'd see a massive
jump in sewer rates take a lot of land
too yeah and we' have to find some place
to put it right I don't think there's of
vacant land right I just wanted to see
what and if there was driver of of land
use um back before the highlands back
when it was Grand Ridge um in the county
they had approved 500 platted 5 acre
homes and they came to the city and said
what do you think about 500 septic
systems right over your aquifer we just
got it approved you don't want to talk
to us about maybe another kind of
development there we'll help you with
the interchange we'll you know do some
mixed juice and we'll have it on a sewer
a sewer system because we were just
couldn't believe that you know but you
know King County they're rural that you
know septic is fine but we thought it's
right over our aquafer what could go
wrong well a lot of things could go
wrong so that was that helped us start
the negotiation with the developer
because they had they were already
approved in King County and were ready
to start pumping pumping septic systems
in the in the plat so so it's it's a
huge driver of land use there was a uh
discussion a couple years ago quite a
few years ago about building some kind
of a plant over where the um at the base
of esqua Hobart Road not isob is Pine
Lake Road in that that area wasn't there
a big discussion and people were upset
they were going to build some kind of a
treatment plant over there there was a a
surface water um a pond a retaining it
was kind of a yeah okay of of septic and
SE no I don't know what I don't remember
what it was but it was going to be that
were going to go in there infiltration
ponds it was going to be a something
that that uh had a lot of smoke coming
out of it and I can't remember what the
process was I just thought maybe you
remember no
okay is this familiar no I'll think
about my my history isn't as long as
Tres
though I just wanted to to see if it was
a storage treatment plant that they were
going to put in there yeah I don't I
don't think it was it was something
else you had mentioned that any any new
developments um have to be on the sewer
system is there any sort of e exemption
available if you are making a zero
impact development or just a single
family home making it zero impact is
there any way to keep something off the
sewer system if someone has the ability
the general answer is no um sewage I and
I and I understand what you're getting
at because and I know that there's
things like composting toilets and and
ways to deal with that but um the
general you
know under GMA you know we have policies
about providing
sewers um and so we have to do that um
it's highly unlikely you could get that
signed off by Sean County Public Health
or the city not to say that somebody
couldn't try but but even zome for
example which is you you know net the
Whole Net Zero idea with energy and also
you know they try to be very
conservative with water use they're on
City sewers and they do dump waste water
down the City sewers so the lot has to
be a certain size and I don't think
there's any Builder that would put in um
houses that are far enough away about an
acre of land or whatever the size is
that they're going to have to put in I
don't think that would
happen anybody else on
sewers okay uh surface water drainage or
storm water um again a very very long
long looking goal here um we can
certainly try to break this up but you
and you can see buil into there there's
been several plans over the last 20 30
years that talk about storm water runoff
um the central Loa plan has to address
storm water the rally development
agreement for example addresses storm
water um it's one it is one of the big
deals here especially because storm
water goes ultimately into our waterways
into our into isqua Creek into Lake
samamish and we need to ensure that
first of all it's it we're we're
controlling the outflow so that we're
not getting a lot of erosion or we're
not flooding things down stream we need
to make sure water quality is high
enough so that we're protecting you know
the creek and the lake for for salmon
and other Wildlife um and also all the
plant life um we do work a lot um so one
of the things that one of the
implementation strategies that isn't
that that comes down from this goal is
the newer versions of the surface wire
design manual that isqu uses do call for
a lot of low impact development
techniques trying to infiltrate water
where possible whether it's through rain
Gardens or or some other method so we do
the best we can but for example on the
valley floor here the water table is not
down that far and so infiltration is
difficult here and especially when it
rains a lot the water table starts
creeping up um so we do we do what we
can but we still need to make sure that
we have adequate provision for storm
water here so we don't get flooding and
other um habitat
damage
okay private utilities so this is where
it starts to get very very Broad in
general because of course we don't
directly control the private utilities
um so you can see the goal here is just
coordinate our land use and utility
planning to ensure consistency and to
let and also to let the the providers
themselves meet their obligations
so you could certainly try to build a
house without a connection to the power
grid I've seen it done not in isqua but
I've seen it done um but generally
speaking we're talking about houses are
going to have to be connected to power
they're going to have natural gas
they're going to have a um you know a
cable line or a telephone line or maybe
both um and so we need to ensure that
those providers Comcast um P Sound
Energy broad stripe um Quest that they
can all that that our planning is
consistent with their planning that they
can get in to do um provide the
utilities that they
provide okay Solid Waste um this is
implemented through actually can we go
back to uh the private utilities section
real quick here um it's my understanding
that the uh Highlands when they went
through their development was able to
also
um bring in
um oh what's the word I'm look looking
for the uh fiber fiber networks and I
don't see that addressed in the
telecommu or cable or anything to
address maybe expansion of that yeah and
we've actually gotten a couple comments
about this about that or about similar
issues and the city actually
um the city actually just went through
um or Comm commission a task force
recently to talk about um technology
infrastructure and so you don't see it
in here but we're going to be pulling
those that task force of recommendations
and trying to pull them into this a
little better to um because I know that
that recommendation talks about things
like fiber and Wi-Fi you know Wi-Fi and
things like that so it it didn't make it
into this version but we're aiming to
get that uh involved so that you guys
can take a better look at it right
because that got into the central plan
yeah so that would be able to trickle
into this as well
good question good
comment all right uh back to solid waste
so
um this is a very long thing we'll again
look to cut this down a little bit but
there's a lot of things and but there's
a lot of things going on here of course
we don't want trash piling up in the
street we're also looking you know one
of our big sustainability goals is to uh
get as high a percentage of so-called
waste diversion as possible which which
is to say we're trying to send as little
to the landfill as we absolutely can we
want to recycle things we want to
compost things we want to even just
reduce the amount of solid waste we're
sending period by having people be more
efficient by using different packaging
and so that's why you see you know we
have the plastic bag band um the the
pack the various food packaging
requirements you know people can't use
foam containers because that those
things go straight to the landfill
eventually and so that's one way we're
implementing this there's other things
we can do um clearly but this this is
the the big picture goal to try to help
get us there
um I don't know if you think anything's
missing or we should delete some things
from
this uh not anything that's necessarily
missing per se um I did notice that the
future conditions um
involve uh tempting trying to reduce the
collection of waste and and divert it
off to recycling composting um what
strategies are being looked at for that
currently that may make it into the plan
but aren't necessarily in this
one um so some some of us like I
mentioned before we're we're
aggressively pushing recycling we've
implemented a food waste program we
encourage people to compost you know in
their own backyards if they want to so
and we help provide um you know some you
know provide help for people to do that
um what else I don't know exact I don't
I can't remember exactly what the
cleanscapes contract calls for for
example um I can definitely check with
the office of sustainability and and
find out though okay yeah and the reason
I'm asking is you know uh until recently
I was living in city of Seattle and I
know that for uh developments in those
areas uh there's random spot checks of
recycling to ensure that um waste isn't
being recycled and recyclable material
isn't being thrown into waste with a um
monetary penalty that evident that
essentially gets passed down to the um
renters in those developments and that
may be something that could be looked at
definitely okay Public
Services um so this one and and this
goal starts relating to the capital
facilities element as well um and and
all the utility ele and all the utility
goals kind of do in their own way but
this one very much gets at it because um
this is talking about how we provide to
or ensuring that we're providing
sufficient police and fire and Med and
Emergency Medical Services and
coordinating that with our Landy
decisions um and that we have adequate
and you know and that it says at the
bottom that we've made adequate
provision to accommodate the demands of
new development that can mean we need to
buy new you know more police cars and
hire more police officers or maybe build
new fire station thing you know things
like
that
okay this one essential public
facilities um there is a list of
essential public facilities that are
listed um in state law these are things
like
um well help me out Trish airports is
the first one I airports um sound sound
transits high capacity high-capacity
Transit is another essential public
facility wastewater treatment plants are
it's really anything that a community
needs but it's hard to site because um
of land use issues and neighborhood
issues so they're usually big um smelly
sometimes um I think sex offender
housing is one of them um but they're
they're the tough things to site that
everybody needs the regional things so
they put it in the state regulations
that you had to provide for them they
just said quit doing the nimi thing you
all have to provide for them if we site
one there so so you can see the gold
just talks about well state law says we
have to provide for a process for it
there the goal says we have to provide a
process for it and and we do implement
this um we have a process fortunately we
haven't had to use it right
forun um information techn olog this
gets back to the your question about
private utilities and and and other it
things we'll be updating this with some
of the recommendations from the um the
the task force that I mentioned earlier
because this s this is very generic but
we're going to want to have some very
solid policies to back this
up okay so that's utilities and public
services one down one to
go so now we're on to Capital facilities
and so here's the vision for for for
Capital
facilities and it's lengthy and
hopefully you've all had a chance to to
see it in the packet and I'm wondering
if anybody has feedback on things we
should add or things we should take away
or things or you can even Wordsmith it
if you
want
some of the things you see here are are
coming from state law where because
state law provides for that we have to
do certain things when it comes to
Capital facilities and providing for um
how we pay for for the the needs of
growth so um that's just a little bit of
extra background on the
vision and I'll get to that stuff in a
moment okay
so these are the GMA requirements and
and they're quite specific and can be
tricky to implement so we have to have
an inventory uh currently there is a map
in the existing Capital facilities
element um this is something we'd
probably be pulling out of the element
itself and adopting by reference uh and
I'll get to a few more details on that
in a moment um we have to have a
forecast of future needs so this is
where the the growth target comes into
play and how we're projecting growth
because uh most of our so we have levels
of of service
for all the various Capital facilities
police and fire and utilities and for
General government and for Parks
Transportation all these things and so
these this health informs us to
determine well how much how much do we
need how much investment do we need to
make going
forward another thing we have to have is
the proposed location and capacities of
these new facilities so we need to have
a plan um that shows where we going to
build new roads over the next six seven
years we have that it's the
transportation Improvement plan you can
see where we're planning to build roads
um we Al in the capital in the capital
facilities plan we lay out okay we need
to buy two new police cars in this year
to accommodate growth for example um and
and things on like that or we need to
get you know we need to build out this
new park confence Park's a great example
um we started building that out it's a
great new park uh for the
city next thing and I mentioned before
we have to have a six-year plan to
Finance these necessary Capital facility
Investments and we have to show how we
would pay for it that's the tricky
part and then we have to have policies
to reassess the land use element if uh
we don't have enough money
um because we have to keep the land
element Capital facilities um we have to
keep all this stuff consistent so the
trick here though is it says we have to
have policies to reassess the Lage
element but doesn't actually say that we
need to change the land
element and then there's some other
requirements that play into this and
these are related to the impact the the
state law about impact fees this city
charges impact fees and so because we do
that we have these extra um three
requirements so we have to identify the
deficiencies in public facilities
serving our existing development and how
we would correct those deficiencies so
we have a the city is 32 33,000 people
today maybe we're short on Parks we have
to identify how do we make up the
shortfall in Parks capacity with our own
funding we can't fund that through
impact fees um and so that's number one
the second thing is we have to identify
de um demands placed on the existing
facilities by new development so how
would new development for example impact
um the police station across the street
how would it impact um the part you know
the Memorial Field behind the police
station and then finally we have to um
identify how what we would need to do to
serve the new development that we can't
serve with our existing facilities and
that's where the impact fee comes into
play because we can charge the impact
fee for those new those growth
facilities but we can't charge an impact
fee to correct the existing deficiencies
so um we just replaced Station 72 Fire
Station 72 over near the transit center
recently that was paid for that was not
paid for by impact fees because that is
serving existing population um and
and correcting if you will an existing
deficiency because they were in a pretty
Ram shekele building across the
street so now we're into the goals and
this is the
um this is kind of the general goal for
Capital facilities and that's to we have
to provide adequate services and
Facilities which exist address the
existing deficiencies and future needs
so this is just pulling all those G
requirements right back into one big
goal
um it talks about you can see level of
service realistic timelines has to be
sustainable this might also be a good
time we attach this to your P to your
packet at the end um in today's Capital
facilities element there's a whole lot
of tables very number filled tables
talking about level of
service and this is the analysis we do
to make to see where are we at what do
we need to add in future years where
might we have deficiencies today the
proposal is to pull all of these tables
out of the capital facilities element
because um as Trish mentioned in her
introduction we can only amend the comp
plan once every year and that uh and
unfortunately the timing the the timings
of when we adopt the capital facilities
plan when we adopt the budget and when
the comp plan gets submitted every year
don't line up and so what we're trying
to do is to align all of our Capital
facility planning at one time uh usually
the Capal facilities plan is adopted in
June or July and so by pulling it out
directly out of the the capital
facilities element by by keeping it
adopted by reference we can continually
update this as the information becomes
available and we can still refer to it
but we don't we're not logged into this
once a year once a year once a year
update cycle the uh state law
mandates so you can see it talks about
you know and it's got targets
for um you know how how many fire
stations we need what you know what's
that based off it talks about how much
how much water flow do we need for fire
Mains it talks about the um the current
Transportation um standards and and
level of service yeah and I actually had
uh one question on the fire level of
service standards table cf5 on page 41
yeah um it currently looks like uh we
have been running and are currently
running a um an assive deficit yeah
pretty severe asset deficit
and I was wondering as far as the
calculation goes I know you know certain
stations station 71 being a prime
example um usually have anywhere from um
two to three operational apparatus there
I believe it's 871 engine 71 and engine
71a um depending on whether it's in the
shop or not right um are these apparatus
numbers calculated on staffed apparatus
for instance there's one crew there that
operate of three that operates both the
a car and the fire so is that one or is
that counted as two so where fire level
service gets really tricky is and the
notes don't always come through but the
the fire level of service was actually
for for the city of isqua was actually
adopted all the way back in 1999 shortly
before the formation of East Side Fire
and Rescue and so what this is showing
is what would the city need to have an
independent fire
agency because we're a member of East
Side Fire um we have access to other
assets so the level of service analysis
shows this deficiency it doesn't really
exist because if they have a big problem
they're going to call in units from
elsewhere and East Side Fire maintains
their own um Lev service standards that
show are they meeting response time do
they have enough apparatus things like
that so this is a little bit misleading
but this is a good way to show well you
know say say we wanted to form our own
fire department well here's what it
here's what it take okay and now is this
something that we under the GMA has to
be individualized or can we reference
the efr numbers and and integrate the
two to show what we're actually at we
need to have it separate
unfortunately um yeah so like's just
talking about you know the fire one is
the is one of the most most complicated
ones because of that we need because we
need to do it solely for isqua and can't
worry about the fact that East Side Fire
is also fire district 10 Fire District
38 city of samamish um city of North
Bend so you
know um that's something that that's not
easy to take into account right but for
example on along that same point when we
did the study to Annex clani we actually
used the numbers from East Side Fire and
Rescue to figure out what we would need
to do as a city to serve that new area
because we know that the way that GMA
has us calculated wouldn't have been a
true calculation of what we really would
need to do to serve it so we actually
went to through the district and worked
with them and their numbers and whose
apparatus and whose fire station was
closer to figure that part out because
that's the real service provision not
the on the numbers you know on the books
thing so so there are two different ways
to use the numbers yeah one one thing
I'll point out you know the the the
tables you see that I that I pulled out
these are the tables as they existed in
essentially last year's conference Plan
update these numbers have not been
updated based on the population chart
that Trish you earlier because like I
said we're going to pull all these out
and also we don't have a 2014 population
estimate from the state yet um that'll
be coming in another month or month and
a half so we'll certainly update all
these tables when we get the right
numbers but for now you're essentially
seeing last year's number so you you
know you'll see a 2018 projected total
population of
37,000 which is not what we're showing
in the population chart these days um
and and so that will require some some
investment so you know you can see in
the police
um table you'll see a fairly large
potential Surplus that can be a little
misleading though because like I said
first of all the population estimate is
low and second of all um it you know if
you look at column two just for example
under police the number of calls for
service total calls for service has been
staying relatively stagnant for a decade
as the City's population is doubled so
you know that's something to consider
when when you look at this is to say
well maybe things have you know we
lasted the the the study the level of
service study a long time ago maybe
things have changed maybe the police
department is much more efficient um or
maybe
simply things are going great for is a
claw um see here Parks is one of the
interesting ones here and there's quite
a few tables for this the way we did
Parks is and and you can see table cf9
it's on page 44 of your packet this list
at the time the study was done all the
various Park facil fa ities as a quad
possess and rather than having adopting
an individual level of service for each
of these types of facilities like we
need to have one Amphitheater per 30,000
people we need to have um you
know X number of square feet of
community center per per person what we
did instead to give the city council
more flexibility is we total up the
value of all these facilities and then
determined how many dollars per capita
do we need of parks investment because
that gives the council flexibility to
invest the parks money where they see
where where they can see it would have
the most uh effect so if you were to do
a strict by the individual types of Park
facilities we might not have Confluence
Park today for example because the this
the level of service calculation would
show well we need to build all these tot
Lots we need to um build some extra
Trails for you know or or or whatever
and instead we're able to the council's
able to focus Investments where the
community wants them to um in a more
flexible
way and this is something we're you know
we're going to be looking to maintain as
we do redo the parks impact fee study
over the next year um and is there a
commum that can be added to that I mean
I I know we're showing the service
levels but is there a commum that can be
added to show actuals so we have kind of
a quick quick snapshot at where we
haven't been putting those dollars
um yeah so um The Parks Department is
supposed to update their Parks plan in
the near future that's been delayed a
little bit due to um we're between staff
over there um but that's something that
we'll that we'll definitely be looking
at as they update the parks plan right
and you're think you're saying the
inventory so we'd know that we have
eight basketball courts or five soccer
fields or is that what you mean yeah
exactly because we we broken it down by
what you know ideally and then split it
up into the level of service standard
but I want to see where where the
money's actually been going right yeah
because I remember when we were going
through this Council said it may maybe 5
years and we just want to buy land
because we know the land's never going
to get any cheaper so H how do you give
us flexibility that we can just buy land
for you know until we're you know don't
make us buy tennis courts when we want
to buy land and so we figured out this
way that it was just a per capita
investment so they could buy a lot of
land when it was available and not have
to buy tennis courts or whatever so yeah
um it was pretty creative when it first
came out when we first did it definitely
very impressive and it's allowed us to
snatch up the land when we can actually
get it that's right anyway so that's a
just a quick overview of the level of
service um calculations that we do as I
said we're going to pull these out of
the element itself and integrate them
with the capital facilities plan which
is you you might also know as the
capital Improvement plan and that's a
document that we update annually it's
the six-year program plus future years
um and and that's showing here's the
actual Investments we're going to make
and here's how we're going to pay for
them so this isn't a capacity example
but the the um the Public Works
operations needs to buy a new uh grater
you know a backhoe type thing well
that's going to show up in that plan
that's not a capacity Improvement but
but we plan out well we need to buy
these these uh pieces of equipment uh
invest in these roadways and we plan
that out over a long period of
time um so level Serv I just got
finished talking through this but you
know one the the goal of course is we
need to evaluate the public facilities
and services based on the population
chart that we just that um that Trish
showed you earlier that I just mentioned
we need to correct the existing
deficiencies and address future
needs um and here's where it starts to
get into the weeds a little bit more but
um we also talk about how we want our
Capital facilities to be compatible with
the neighborhoods they're in so we don't
want to put this giant you know shining
bright metal water tank on top of squawk
Mountain that would look pretty bad uh
because you'd see it from all over town
um so the ones up there are not bright
you know unpainted metal they're painted
metal and they're not very obtrusive at
all any other questions on
this so here we have a sustainability
goal um we want to incorporate
sustainable products as an integral part
of all of our Capital facilities and so
you see this as part of you know the
fire station fire station 7 we we did
this you know it's a it's a it's a lead
certified building it's very
environmentally sustainable um East Side
fires is definitely adopted this they're
building a new fire station out on na
Valley Road well outside City Limits but
they're incorporating a lot of those
same things to make that fire facility
very energy efficient too um you know
whenever we build new facilities we're
looking to improve them you know the
pool's an example even though it's not a
a capacity Improvement they want to do
renovations to the pool because it's
very energy inefficient right now it
uses a lot of power um and gas to heat
the water and and maintain the
temperature in the building so they're
they're looking to do some corrections
to that um in the future through the
park
Bond so that's actually all of the um
goals for Capital facilities element so
what we'll do is we'll make a lot of
changes that we mentioned um certainly
if you have any other General comments
we would love to hear them so that we
can try to get them Incorporated
next time you see this we'll have added
all the various policies in it's going
to make for a much much longer document
that you'll have to to look through and
that's where you'll see all like I
mentioned all of those um utility
policies that are also in the utility
system plan so you're going to see those
huge lists
um um we'll make sure that it's going to
be consistent with all the various State
and Regional and and County requirements
and check and check up on with other
departments like offices of
sustainability like pwe and uh parks and
we'll come back to you in about a month
question yeah
um throughout everything there's been
some pretty broad um terms like
realistic timelines where do those get
defined is that within each project or
is that within the document itself or
well that's the beauty of growth
management is it's left up to us to
determine those timelines
okay so if it's in a like the
transportation Improvement it would
probably be within the six years or
within the 20 years depending on where
it fits in and so sometimes within that
specific document it's decided what the
timeline is or in the budget it might be
when it's funded is that the timeline
okay thank
you in a month when you guys come back
and discuss this the the policies will
include the policies that were in the um
they um in the comp plans that are you
know like a sewer comp plan or a water
comp plan so those will the policies
will be you'll have that for us yes are
we going to be able to discuss that with
the you know I don't know whoever puts
together the water plan or the sewer
plan or yeah we can we can definitely
discuss them getting them changed like I
said is a much is a little bigger lift
um but we can definitely we'll check
into seeing if Public Works staff can be
can be here so because they can talk in
a lot more detail about it than I can
yeah right and part of it though is
we're held to um adopt what the
council's already adopted in the water
plan and so there's not a lot of leeway
for us to make changes to it so because
they have to be that the same but what
did you say the sewer plan is coming
next yeah that the sewer plan is next on
their list although you know the water
plan took so long that they may you know
and they've got a lot of things they're
trying to work through um it might take
a while but and and that's part of the
reason you know here's this is the water
utility goal again that's part of the
reason why the goal sounds a little bit
like policies in places because this is
something we can directly affect um
versus the individual policies because
like Trish said those are Council
adopted those are much much harder to to
word Smith yeah that's what I was
getting at it's like what can we
actually do here to affect change and
can we refer to and I should probably
have asked you this offline but since we
can't change the water and the the
utility plans can we just refer to them
and then pull the bigger pictures out
for us to to um that's something we
can yeah we'll we'll we can discuss that
because it is a big list there's 34
water policies for example and as you
said you kind of ties our hands when you
just have to say oh this was already
adapted so this goes in and then you
know what's left to see which pieces are
actually sake it's you know don't want
to be discussing something that we can't
do that we can't change right and
certainly we could add pieces like
sustainability and the green energy
kinds of things um but I don't think we
can touch the yeah it's the ones it gets
it gets tricky though when you know so
one of the things that that the city
council you and it's on all of our city
council agenda bills when we propose
anything to the city council is it has a
place where you can list which
comprehensive plan goals and policies
does this particular thing you're
proposing is it or is it consistent with
um and so you know when we propose you
know we're proposing say just for
example marijuana regulations that's
consistent with a couple of city um or
Conference of plan policies and so when
when the public works department comes
in and they're proposing to spend money
well the comprehensive plan is the the
big document showing how we want the
city to grow and and change over the
next um 20 30 years and so it helps be
able to relate that back so it's a
little bit of a push push pull on well
how much can you take out versus how
much should you leave in because the
council needs to be able to
see um how things are are tying back
into
this so but it's something we'll
definitely look into is to see what
needs to be there and what doesn't to be
we can go on that that's a
good so I think it's a little bit of yes
it's been semi approved but there's
always you know what if you miss
something and this is the opportunity to
let it go through and have one more View
and we've come up with over the years we
have come up with things that have been
changed and it just depends on the
process
so
true anything anything else specific or
general get back oops we
go veral
watching when you come back in in a
month will that be the semif finished
Pro product yes it won't come back after
that these issues you'll see it again in
what September right yeah so I trying
for three times for most of them most of
the element you know this cursory
overview and then sort of to see
actually with the guts in it and then
but just the uh this these this one that
we're looking at tonight I know there's
other issues oh I think so I think it'll
it'll be done basically the and the semi
I like the semi draft okay yeah it's a
good category way to categorize it yeah
we'll have on the 20 the current plan is
June 26 there'll be another Focus
meeting on these two elements we'll have
them like said in the
semifinal form art is coming back in
August so right yeah still trying to
figure out the complete I gave you a
schedule I think two weeks ago trying
October uh August the 11 okay it's in my
mind that I work on it before then oh
okay
but when you come back we're still at
the Gold level are we going to get down
into to you know we'll we'll show all
the policies um I'm not going to repeat
every policy in the PowerPoint because
that would make for a 100 slide
PowerPoint but but we aim to include as
many of the policies as we can um you
know with like with the caveat that some
of the utility policies are difficult to
change but you know the capital
facilities
policies you have a pretty or relatively
free hand to say yes this works no this
doesn't let's add this let's remove
that and what we're trying to get rid of
is there's a lot of history in the
utility Public Service of you know the
towers were built at this time and this
line functions with this and this water
tower and and to you know we don't need
that in the comprehensive plan we need
more that's fine for the utility plan
and they need that but um we're trying
to get ours as lean and mean as we can
so it's just one of the pieces that the
council members or the public look at to
say what do the policy save for when
we're growing what do we need to do or
where's the next place we want need a
water tower for firef flow or something
we're trying to get sort of the other
stuff out of there so we have more room
for just the the really good stuff but
we still have to kind of sort
through good no more comments quiet yeah
quieter than land juice but still some
really good
comments so Jason are you done with your
bre I am I am done that's all I um thank
you you were awesome um you can answer
any question that we put to you so that
was really that was really good thank
you very much and Trish too you did a
great job so thank you so next time
is transportation
and I'd have to look I want to say land
use again but I'm not sure
Transportation yeah for sure I thought
it was land use it might be land I
thought it was coming back after we had
the discussion last time that it was
going to come back right okay so it
should be an interesting summer
another interesting summer so with that
unless there's any uh comments for the
good of the
order um I
will call the meeting to an end at 8:05
thank you very much again thanks again
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okay yay see how it
works
my I think I have heard
5,000 but it's nice to have the official
one in the
right it is it is but I still like to go
through