Park Board · Monday, August 22, 2022 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of July 25, 2022 meeting

packet pp.3–5

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 07-25-22 Park Board Minutes Page 1

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Community Investment Strategy

Director · 60 min · Jeff Watling, Parks & Community Services · packet pp.7–9

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Staff report:

Veterans Memorial Field COMMUNITY INVESTMENT STRATEGY (Senior Center), Tibbetts Valley Park Issaquah Creek Corridor Confluence Park Notes MATRIX Depot Park and Pedestrian Park Criteria 1 Level of Project Readiness a Single Parcel/ Multiple Parcels Multiple Single/multiple Multiple Multiple b City Owned Land or Acquisition Needed City owned City owned City owned and acquisition needed City owned c Existing Restrictions (deed, grant, agreements, ‐ Yes, Parking agreement, RCO grant, ‐ None known. ‐ Yes, conservation easements, grants, ‐ Yes, conservation easements, grants, conservation easements, etc..) County grant. deed restrictions. deed restrictions. d Master Plan or existing design ‐ Public engagement has ocurred for ‐ Public engagement has ocurred for ‐ Public engagement has ocurred for ‐ Existing Master Plan master plan update. creation of new master plan. creation of new master…

Hillside Park Update

Director · 30 min · Jeff Watling, Parks & Community Services · packet pp.11–25

Topics: Parks

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Staff report:

Hillside Park Update – Proposed Concept 8/22/22 | PARK BOARD

5. REPORTS

Chair's Report

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Youth Representative's Report

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Director's Report

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0:03 ↗ okay so uh welcome everyone to the

0:06 ↗ august 22nd 2022 parks board meeting

0:10 ↗ um

0:11 ↗ like to start off by doing a quick roll

0:13 ↗ call so

0:15 ↗ when i call your name please take your

0:16 ↗ self off mute and state your attendance

0:22 ↗ all right andrew e

0:25 ↗ present

0:27 ↗ thank you

0:28 ↗ chris

0:33 ↗ i can see chris i couldn't hear him

0:36 ↗ present yeah okay

0:38 ↗ um marlene thinks you may be coming in a

0:41 ↗ little bit later

0:43 ↗ okay

0:44 ↗ uh david

0:46 ↗ president

0:48 ↗ nicholas

0:51 ↗ i believe he might be calling in

0:54 ↗ okay uh brenda

0:57 ↗ right and katie

1:01 ↗ tim

1:04 ↗ andrew m

1:07 ↗ present

1:08 ↗ you danielle

1:15 ↗ danielle

1:19 ↗ thank you brad

1:21 ↗ present

1:22 ↗ great

1:23 ↗ all right

1:25 ↗ so um

1:26 ↗ moving forward to the approval of

1:28 ↗ minutes from june 27 2022

1:32 ↗ um so just wanted to see if anyone has

1:34 ↗ any questions comments or

1:36 ↗ any uh

1:38 ↗ corrections

1:43 ↗ all right not seeing anything um so

1:46 ↗ uh does anyone have an any objections to

1:49 ↗ the approval of minutes from

1:51 ↗ the july 25th

1:53 ↗ minutes

1:55 ↗ all right i hereby approve the minutes

1:58 ↗ thank you

1:59 ↗ um so today um we'll be going through uh

2:03 ↗ two uh items on the agenda the first

2:06 ↗ community investment strategy um and

2:08 ↗ hillside park update uh i think i will

2:12 ↗ open up the public comment um prior to

2:15 ↗ the hillside park update because i don't

2:17 ↗ believe

2:19 ↗ anyone has comment about the community

2:21 ↗ investment strategy so

2:23 ↗ with that said i'll turn it over to jeff

2:30 ↗ sorry finding the mute button hey good

2:32 ↗ evening everybody

2:34 ↗ jeff watling parks and community

2:36 ↗ services director

2:37 ↗ uh excited to bring back to you uh this

2:40 ↗ item that we discussed uh last month

2:43 ↗ as you remember um

2:45 ↗ a rather ambitious task and opportunity

2:48 ↗ was asked of us by city council and

2:50 ↗ mayor and that was to

2:53 ↗ evaluate and explore how and where

2:57 ↗ up to four million dollars of arpa funds

2:59 ↗ could be invested into our park system

3:01 ↗ namely

3:03 ↗ the the primary community parks

3:06 ↗ that we identified as anchor parks as

3:09 ↗ we've been going through the planning

3:10 ↗ process

3:11 ↗ uh just prior to the pandemic so

3:14 ↗ tonight we're excited to give a progress

3:16 ↗ report um

3:18 ↗ based on the the feedback we received

3:20 ↗ from all of you

3:22 ↗ last month

3:23 ↗ both in terms of the criteria if you

3:25 ↗ remember we had a really good

3:27 ↗ conversation about

3:29 ↗ evaluation criteria

3:31 ↗ that we would

3:32 ↗ utilize to filter and

3:36 ↗ evaluate these potential sites the

3:38 ↗ potential sites being

3:40 ↗ possible sites being tibbetts valley

3:41 ↗ park

3:43 ↗ veterans memorial

3:45 ↗ sort of collection of veterans depot and

3:48 ↗ pedestrian parks

3:50 ↗ confluence park the city council asked

3:52 ↗ us to add and consider in the issaquah

3:54 ↗ creek corridor so

3:57 ↗ you also identified and thank you we had

3:59 ↗ some volunteers

4:00 ↗ for a subcommittee so andrew andrew

4:03 ↗ marlene and chris thank you so much for

4:06 ↗ your work we had the

4:07 ↗ the chance to meet twice uh this last

4:10 ↗ month um along with quite a bit of staff

4:12 ↗ work um did some

4:15 ↗ really good work in

4:17 ↗ taking that criteria creating a matrix

4:19 ↗ and really doing an at least an initial

4:22 ↗ run through an evaluation of each of the

4:24 ↗ sites

4:25 ↗ so the goal tonight is to present that

4:27 ↗ information back to you

4:30 ↗ let you hear directly from your

4:33 ↗ those that were on the subcommittee your

4:34 ↗ fellow park board members

4:37 ↗ as staff as

4:39 ↗ jennifer walks through that evaluation

4:42 ↗ and then the other goal tonight is and

4:43 ↗ you'll see as we come to

4:46 ↗ the end of that evaluation process

4:49 ↗ we feel that there's a number of

4:51 ↗ more specific sites

4:53 ↗ that begin to percolate

4:55 ↗ based upon sort of the restrictions

4:58 ↗ and needs in

4:59 ↗ that this four million dollars of

5:01 ↗ federal money money has to it and so the

5:04 ↗ hope is to get your feedback on the

5:06 ↗ evaluations themselves

5:08 ↗ and see if we have some consensus

5:11 ↗ on um

5:12 ↗ specific areas specific parks specific

5:15 ↗ uh projects we want to focus on that

5:18 ↗ then would lead to the next

5:20 ↗ round of work with the subgroup

5:22 ↗ for uh really beginning to do scoping

5:25 ↗ and some cost allocation that would come

5:27 ↗ back to all of you in september so

5:30 ↗ with that goal in mind for tonight i'm

5:32 ↗ gonna hand it over to jen fink to run

5:34 ↗ through the matrix

5:36 ↗ jen everyone give me one quick second

5:40 ↗ here to share my screen

5:46 ↗ can you see that

5:48 ↗ hang on a second i need to pull all of

5:51 ↗ you up

5:52 ↗ as well so bear with me so i can

5:56 ↗ yes we can

5:57 ↗ we might we might want to just enlarge

5:59 ↗ it a hair

6:01 ↗ uh

6:02 ↗ then hang on then i need to take it out

6:05 ↗ of

6:07 ↗ screen mode let me do this

6:11 ↗ oh actually you know i'm just realizing

6:14 ↗ webex now

6:15 ↗ everyone has the individual ability to

6:17 ↗ zoom

6:19 ↗ oh you do

6:22 ↗ at least i do

6:25 ↗ i just i just zoom too

6:27 ↗ thank you but that's sorry

6:29 ↗ pardon me everyone i'm fascinated by new

6:31 ↗ features of what jen take it away

6:35 ↗ hi everyone

6:37 ↗ uh first of all i really want to thank

6:39 ↗ the ad hoc committee for

6:42 ↗ dedicating almost four hours of their

6:44 ↗ time

6:45 ↗ uh

6:46 ↗ to walk through this in grave detail and

6:49 ↗ i really hope that each of you took a

6:51 ↗ moment to

6:52 ↗ review this in your pocket

6:55 ↗ um being such important work

6:57 ↗ uh

6:58 ↗ so

6:59 ↗ to help with tonight's conversation

7:01 ↗ because we're not going to go through

7:02 ↗ every little square

7:04 ↗ but what i what i will do is kind of

7:06 ↗ introduce the several criterion that we

7:09 ↗ had spoke about and after

7:11 ↗ each kind of section or two

7:14 ↗ i'll pause and we can do questions

7:16 ↗ because this is a lot of information for

7:18 ↗ us to go through

7:20 ↗ um but also want to allow a lot of time

7:23 ↗ for conversation at the end and also for

7:25 ↗ the ad hoc committee

7:26 ↗ uh to talk through some of their

7:28 ↗ rationale because this is really

7:30 ↗ representative of their work

7:32 ↗ given from the last meeting

7:35 ↗ so with that as jeff mentioned we're

7:37 ↗ taking a look at tibbetts valley park

7:39 ↗ veterans memorial field

7:42 ↗ including the area around the senior

7:44 ↗ center depot park and pedestrian park

7:47 ↗ the squad creek corridor and for those

7:50 ↗ of you who are not really involved with

7:53 ↗ the process um there are three different

7:56 ↗ reaches of

7:59 ↗ issaquah creek corridor

8:01 ↗ that make up the span from squawk valley

8:05 ↗ park at our southern boundary

8:08 ↗ all the way to lake swamish

8:10 ↗ and then confluence park which is

8:12 ↗ located on rainier just behind dairy

8:14 ↗ gold uh and

8:16 ↗ really is a bridge between old town

8:18 ↗ issaquah

8:20 ↗ and uh the future or the central

8:22 ↗ issaquah

8:24 ↗ core

8:25 ↗ so with that um

8:27 ↗ one of the big things we took a look at

8:30 ↗ is those criterion the first one was

8:32 ↗ really

8:33 ↗ level of project readiness for each

8:35 ↗ project

8:37 ↗ this project as a

8:39 ↗ art being arpa-funded is going to

8:41 ↗ require us to try and near completion

8:44 ↗ that

8:44 ↗ and be complete with the project in 2024

8:48 ↗ and there's a lot of work that goes

8:50 ↗ through the design process as well as

8:53 ↗ getting contracts done and what is that

8:55 ↗ could actually be achieved and built

8:58 ↗ and some of those uh project readiness

9:01 ↗ items are you know did we have multiple

9:03 ↗ parcels involved or is it a single

9:05 ↗ parcel is it land that the city already

9:08 ↗ owns or did we have to go out and seek

9:10 ↗ new land

9:12 ↗ um

9:13 ↗ existing restrictions what are the

9:16 ↗ covenants on that property already

9:19 ↗ master plan

9:20 ↗ um is it actionable

9:23 ↗ and then we do have a few items on here

9:25 ↗ that we haven't yet filled in um

9:28 ↗ but we feel this is uh we'll talk about

9:31 ↗ those later but we looked at each of

9:33 ↗ these items for each of the parks

9:37 ↗ and what we did is really a yellow light

9:40 ↗ green light uh red light kind of like

9:42 ↗ when you're driving right green means go

9:45 ↗ yellow means there's some hurdles but

9:48 ↗ sometimes you can get through the

9:49 ↗ intersection or maybe it's best to just

9:51 ↗ stop

9:52 ↗ um and then red well it's not a bright

9:55 ↗ red we actually did a little color

9:57 ↗ mixing and made oranges

10:00 ↗ so you may see we don't have a brilliant

10:01 ↗ bright red but we do have kind of a

10:03 ↗ darker orange and a lighter orange on

10:06 ↗ this and for those who are

10:08 ↗ color challenged i apologize for that

10:10 ↗ but there was reasoning

10:12 ↗ not to place it

10:14 ↗ red orange and then what we did is we

10:16 ↗ took all of those subcategories for each

10:18 ↗ of this

10:19 ↗ criterion

10:21 ↗ and we even added a criterion which i

10:23 ↗ will get to later

10:24 ↗ and

10:25 ↗ color coded each individual one and then

10:28 ↗ collectively

10:29 ↗ looked at each

10:31 ↗ grouping so

10:33 ↗ i know you're all on screens at home so

10:35 ↗ i'm just going to try and orient you a

10:36 ↗ little bit so over here we have number

10:38 ↗ one this was the first criterion project

10:40 ↗ readiness

10:41 ↗ the numbers that are on this are the

10:43 ↗ colors within the boxes with the boulder

10:46 ↗ outline these are the overall

10:49 ↗ colors for each park

10:51 ↗ for project readiness

10:54 ↗ so these would all roll up into a yellow

10:57 ↗ color

10:57 ↗ so when we look at all the sub

10:59 ↗ categories of project readiness at

11:02 ↗ tibbetts valley park

11:04 ↗ overall we gave it a yellow

11:07 ↗ there's multiple parcels involved

11:10 ↗ there's an existing master plan but it's

11:13 ↗ outdated we know we need to update that

11:16 ↗ there's a lot of critical areas and

11:19 ↗ other parking agreements

11:22 ↗ with that

11:24 ↗ when we go to veterans memorial

11:27 ↗ overall

11:28 ↗ we also feel that as a yellow you know

11:30 ↗ there's some partial hurdles

11:32 ↗ within that uh property but nothing that

11:35 ↗ is insurmountable for us to be able to

11:37 ↗ move forward

11:38 ↗ uh with a plan as far as readiness we

11:41 ↗ already own the land there's one good

11:43 ↗ thing about

11:44 ↗ veterans is there aren't really any

11:47 ↗ deed restrictions on those properties

11:49 ↗ for us to be able to

11:51 ↗ work through

11:54 ↗ when we look at the issaquah creek

11:55 ↗ corridor that was um becomes a little

11:58 ↗ more challenging especially when we look

12:00 ↗ at existing uh

12:02 ↗ deed restrictions that may be on the

12:03 ↗ property as we know over the years we've

12:06 ↗ acquired a lot of property

12:08 ↗ um that has uh

12:11 ↗ grant funding and conservation easements

12:14 ↗ on them we also have a lot of critical

12:16 ↗ areas and i'll get to that in the next

12:18 ↗ category

12:19 ↗ but um we're also dealing with multiple

12:22 ↗ multiple parcels of land

12:25 ↗ um and

12:26 ↗ you know we've done a lot of public

12:28 ↗ engagement around this already

12:31 ↗ and possibly you know it's actionable if

12:34 ↗ we found the right first phase so

12:36 ↗ overall

12:37 ↗ while we did have a orange in here uh

12:40 ↗ regarding deed restrictions um given

12:42 ↗ what our first phase was we didn't feel

12:44 ↗ like it was an insurmountable

12:47 ↗ opportunity

12:48 ↗ so that too was a yellow

12:51 ↗ now confluence park um for many of you

12:55 ↗ who are familiar with that this has had

12:57 ↗ a lot of investment over the past few

12:59 ↗ years since 2014 2015

13:03 ↗ starting with phase one and creek

13:05 ↗ restoration

13:06 ↗ um

13:07 ↗ phase two which led to the bridge and

13:09 ↗ some of the new pathways and then we've

13:12 ↗ also done

13:13 ↗ um

13:15 ↗ irrigation and turf improvements to the

13:17 ↗ park

13:18 ↗ but there's still some existing work

13:20 ↗ that needs to be complete over there um

13:23 ↗ one of the items was

13:25 ↗ uh

13:27 ↗ in the park and we'll talk about that is

13:28 ↗ phase four which was the um

13:31 ↗ where the parks and facilities

13:34 ↗ maintenance facility shirt currently is

13:36 ↗ to the south of

13:37 ↗ uh the east fork of issaquah creek but

13:40 ↗ also within our previous work there's

13:42 ↗ still some outstanding things that

13:44 ↗ haven't

13:45 ↗ been completed

13:47 ↗ uh like

13:48 ↗ the act house there's some existing

13:50 ↗ lighting that needs to be added along

13:53 ↗ um

13:54 ↗ the

13:56 ↗ main 12-foot pathway

13:58 ↗ uh the eckhouse renovation and making

14:01 ↗ that more of a

14:03 ↗ user-friendly uh

14:04 ↗ place for the community or a picnic

14:06 ↗ shelter

14:07 ↗ also may be enhancing or adding on to

14:10 ↗ the existing playground area

14:13 ↗ so overall

14:16 ↗ felt confluence park taking out

14:19 ↗ the

14:21 ↗ facilities maintenance shop overall the

14:24 ↗ remaining work that needs to get done

14:26 ↗ was a green and we'll talk more about

14:28 ↗ the shop feature

14:30 ↗ as we go down into

14:32 ↗ the other items

14:35 ↗ so i'm going to jump into

14:38 ↗ critical areas and other site conditions

14:40 ↗ and

14:41 ↗ for each of the parks we really

14:44 ↗ looked at

14:45 ↗ what different agencies would be

14:46 ↗ involved with the the work we would be

14:48 ↗ doing what known critical areas are on

14:52 ↗ site and that includes wetlands creeks

14:54 ↗ buffers and also steep slopes

14:58 ↗ other site conditions parking we know

15:00 ↗ parking and the ability to get some to

15:02 ↗ some of our park spaces is really

15:04 ↗ important

15:05 ↗ and then also trees we know trees are a

15:07 ↗ valued

15:08 ↗ environmental asset

15:10 ↗ within each of the parks

15:13 ↗ so we looked at um for tibbetts

15:16 ↗ um

15:17 ↗ making sure i'm doing these in the right

15:19 ↗ order here at yes tibbetts um timbers

15:22 ↗ valley park overall we felt

15:24 ↗ um this was

15:27 ↗ when you looked at the different

15:29 ↗ even though a lot of agencies would be

15:31 ↗ involved because of the creek the

15:32 ↗ wetlands and some of the steep slopes if

15:34 ↗ we were looking at the height site

15:36 ↗ holistically and depending upon the area

15:40 ↗ and also the tribes may be involved you

15:42 ↗ know overall this would be a yellow it's

15:44 ↗ a normal permitting process nothing that

15:46 ↗ we as a city haven't been through before

15:50 ↗ we do know that there's critical areas

15:52 ↗ in there but we have parking lots and

15:54 ↗ there are some trees in there that will

15:58 ↗ need to be retained or further evaluated

16:02 ↗ depending upon what location

16:05 ↗ is chosen within that park when we look

16:08 ↗ at

16:10 ↗ veterans memorial depot

16:13 ↗ right now we're just really looking at a

16:15 ↗ city permitting process being there's no

16:17 ↗ environmental features there

16:19 ↗ we don't anticipate high level of

16:21 ↗ involvement from other outside agencies

16:24 ↗ during the permitting process

16:27 ↗ also there's no real no real

16:29 ↗ environmental conditions there our

16:32 ↗ potential tree

16:34 ↗ assessment you know with the existing

16:36 ↗ trees within the site but we still felt

16:38 ↗ that was very doable to be able to work

16:41 ↗ within that

16:42 ↗ there's also on street parking and

16:44 ↗ nearby parking on street

16:47 ↗ and then also um

16:48 ↗ looking at the trees separately

16:51 ↗ so overall depot park we in pedestrian

16:55 ↗ and veterans memorial we felt that was a

16:57 ↗ green as far as the uh readiness factor

17:01 ↗ and then when we move on to the itsuqua

17:04 ↗ creek corridor again

17:06 ↗ knowing that it is a very large

17:08 ↗ stretch of

17:11 ↗ land that goes from spock valley park to

17:13 ↗ the south all the way to lake sammamish

17:16 ↗ we'd be likely be dealing with a lot of

17:19 ↗ different agencies you know department

17:20 ↗ of ecology fish and wildlife army corps

17:24 ↗ tribes possibly rco which is a state

17:26 ↗ recreation conservation office

17:28 ↗ because we have a lot of grant funded

17:30 ↗ properties along the way

17:33 ↗ so that again would be a

17:36 ↗ yellow

17:38 ↗ critical areas as well knowing we're

17:40 ↗ working within the creek the creek

17:42 ↗ buffer

17:43 ↗ um

17:44 ↗ isaquad creek is a class one creek uh

17:47 ↗ with salmonid so

17:49 ↗ obviously

17:50 ↗ um a lot more critical areas within that

17:53 ↗ and a larger boundary uh buffer

17:56 ↗ um so there would be a higher level of

17:58 ↗ intensity of work with that

18:01 ↗ you know parking we're not really

18:03 ↗ intending to have a designated parking

18:05 ↗ area for the creek corridor but that you

18:07 ↗ could access it from anywhere within the

18:09 ↗ city

18:10 ↗ to be able to do that

18:12 ↗ and so overall when we looked at all of

18:14 ↗ these conditions

18:16 ↗ uh the ad hoc group really classified

18:18 ↗ this as a yellow while there's hurdles

18:20 ↗ they're all doable and somewhat of a

18:22 ↗ normal

18:23 ↗ permitting process

18:26 ↗ now

18:26 ↗ when we get over to confluence park

18:29 ↗ um

18:30 ↗ the eckhouse while it is old it is not

18:33 ↗ on the historic register

18:36 ↗ but because it's an older structure we

18:38 ↗ still may have to

18:39 ↗ to make any changes to the building we

18:41 ↗ still may have to work with the

18:43 ↗ department of archaeology and historic

18:45 ↗ preservation

18:46 ↗ and the city

18:48 ↗ we are in that area out of some of the

18:50 ↗ buffer and critical areas that uh are

18:53 ↗ associated with the stream so we feel

18:56 ↗ that any work in and around the eck

18:58 ↗ house or the plague or existing

19:00 ↗ playground area would be relatively easy

19:03 ↗ do

19:05 ↗ now

19:06 ↗ uh i couldn't color code this i should

19:09 ↗ have made this into two so please

19:11 ↗ forgive me um

19:13 ↗ city

19:14 ↗ uh

19:15 ↗ and department of ecology when we're

19:17 ↗ looking at phase four which is the shop

19:20 ↗ site that is going to be a little bit

19:21 ↗ more difficult because we'd have a lot

19:24 ↗ of

19:25 ↗ critical areas and other different

19:27 ↗ agencies to deal with

19:29 ↗ but first before we even

19:31 ↗ got to that point we'd have to have a

19:33 ↗ new location for us to be able to move

19:35 ↗ our facilities to

19:37 ↗ and um we don't have that and it would

19:40 ↗ be a really costly endeavor for us to

19:42 ↗ find new shop sites and get everyone

19:45 ↗ moved within the time frame and i don't

19:47 ↗ think moving

19:49 ↗ is not um what we intend this money to

19:51 ↗ uh to do and so we would not be able to

19:53 ↗ get through a planning process and

19:55 ↗ deliver

19:56 ↗ a community park

19:58 ↗ at the end of this time

20:00 ↗ so um

20:02 ↗ that is

20:03 ↗ really should be an orange right there

20:05 ↗ but overall when we look at just

20:07 ↗ confluence part we do have some green

20:09 ↗ opportunities there

20:12 ↗ when we look at you know some of the

20:14 ↗ critical areas

20:16 ↗ for phase

20:19 ↗ two again as i mentioned earlier we're

20:21 ↗ out of all of the critical areas

20:23 ↗ wetlands so it should be pretty easy for

20:25 ↗ us to

20:26 ↗ add on to the egg house or add on to the

20:29 ↗ play area

20:31 ↗ but if we do get into

20:33 ↗ phase 4 which is the shop site again

20:35 ↗ we're going to have a lot more

20:38 ↗ complications and environmental review

20:40 ↗ we need to do on that site

20:43 ↗ so i am going to stop here and now that

20:47 ↗ we've gone through our first two topics

20:50 ↗ which is really

20:51 ↗ level of project readiness and

20:54 ↗ critical areas and other site conditions

20:57 ↗ and just

20:59 ↗ take a pause and answer any questions

21:02 ↗ you as the board may have

21:04 ↗ or an ad hoc committee please feel free

21:06 ↗ to speak up on some of your

21:08 ↗ comments and thinking as well

21:16 ↗ i see your hand up

21:20 ↗ um i have a couple questions or thoughts

21:23 ↗ um

21:24 ↗ with respect to confluence park

21:27 ↗ um so that that master plan is like is a

21:30 ↗ pretty like relatively recent master

21:33 ↗ plan you know that we did

21:35 ↗ um

21:36 ↗ so i feel good about that the

21:39 ↗ my understanding was that if you're

21:41 ↗ looking at that um where the ech house

21:43 ↗ is

21:44 ↗ that that did not have

21:46 ↗ a deed restriction or a conservation

21:49 ↗ easement

21:50 ↗ that is that correct

21:52 ↗ so so that has a little bit more

21:54 ↗ flexibility so even the yellow area

21:57 ↗ there

21:58 ↗ on

22:00 ↗ if we're looking at that matrix um if

22:02 ↗ you're just looking at the

22:04 ↗ eckhaus area

22:07 ↗ where flux we have flexibility there yes

22:09 ↗ we do so

22:10 ↗ um

22:12 ↗ the other thing i wanted to point out

22:13 ↗ was uh even though

22:15 ↗ the veterans memorial field

22:17 ↗ there may not be specific deed

22:19 ↗ restrictions i think it's really

22:21 ↗ important that everybody on the park

22:22 ↗ board

22:24 ↗ know the history about how that

22:26 ↗ park kind of came about and was funded

22:29 ↗ and the intent of the people who who

22:31 ↗ funded that um

22:33 ↗ and so

22:34 ↗ and that being for

22:36 ↗ um a ball field kind of community

22:39 ↗ gathering space so i think it's

22:41 ↗ important that

22:42 ↗ um

22:43 ↗ so we note that as well

22:46 ↗ that's a great great thought there

22:48 ↗ danielle thank

22:52 ↗ you brad you had a comment

22:57 ↗ uh jennifer it looks like so anything

23:00 ↗ that's relating to phase four at

23:02 ↗ confluence park should be orange is that

23:05 ↗ right or yellow i mean what would you

23:07 ↗ categorize that

23:08 ↗ probably

23:10 ↗ uh red

23:12 ↗ i'd make it just flat out red yeah

23:14 ↗ well

23:15 ↗ i think it's kind of kind of deceiving

23:17 ↗ to not actually have that broken out and

23:19 ↗ so you know for council who ultimately

23:21 ↗ might look at this it would be good to

23:23 ↗ actually

23:24 ↗ have those colors relating to phase four

23:27 ↗ yes and um as you go through though the

23:30 ↗ matrix as we get to the bottom we do

23:33 ↗ break it out at the end when we talk

23:35 ↗ about potential elements within them but

23:38 ↗ you're right and in this section here i

23:40 ↗ should have broken it out so i can

23:42 ↗ easily correct that

23:44 ↗ but it is mentioned for which phase it

23:47 ↗ is referencing

23:49 ↗ here so

23:50 ↗ okay

23:53 ↗ and phase four is like the fun

23:56 ↗ active recreation component of

23:58 ↗ confluence park that would really be

24:00 ↗ like a deal

24:02 ↗ a deal changer in that area

24:04 ↗ um and because it's city owned land

24:07 ↗ my my other recollection was that there

24:09 ↗ were not deed restrictions on that

24:11 ↗ property either because the city already

24:13 ↗ owns it

24:14 ↗ um so it could be really active you know

24:17 ↗ um

24:19 ↗ you know like you could play sports

24:21 ↗ there

24:22 ↗ um

24:24 ↗ and what what was contemplated in that

24:25 ↗ master plan was you know like beach

24:28 ↗ volleyball or like that those types of

24:30 ↗ that type of sport not not um

24:33 ↗ not like a turf soccer field

24:38 ↗ right a mix of amenities but much more

24:40 ↗ active and and you're absolutely right

24:43 ↗ danielle i think what makes phase four

24:45 ↗ red is more the

24:47 ↗ reality of it it really can't be

24:49 ↗ considered a park

24:51 ↗ opportunity until

24:53 ↗ the maintenance facilities and and

24:56 ↗ its current use

24:57 ↗ um are moved and uh you know to move

25:00 ↗ those to build new shop facilities and

25:02 ↗ yard

25:03 ↗ realistically is

25:05 ↗ uh 20 to 30 million dollars

25:08 ↗ so some of the opportunities and you'll

25:10 ↗ sort of see and again sub you know

25:12 ↗ ad hoc committee i know we did a great

25:14 ↗ job of discussing this but you know is

25:17 ↗ there opportunity with that other area

25:19 ↗ near the eckhouse to maybe

25:21 ↗ at least sprinkle some of those active

25:23 ↗ elements over there um

25:25 ↗ um so

25:27 ↗ yeah all things for consideration

25:35 ↗ so jeff to clarify so the movement of

25:39 ↗ the facilities would that fall under the

25:41 ↗ category of parks or would that fall

25:43 ↗ under the category of facilities

25:46 ↗ well that would fall under the category

25:47 ↗ of facilities but it all falls under the

25:49 ↗ category of city of issaquah right and

25:52 ↗ given a number of facili other facility

25:55 ↗ priorities that is

25:57 ↗ you know moving

25:58 ↗ that specific shop facility is nowhere

26:01 ↗ in any capital planning effort right now

26:03 ↗ for facilities

26:10 ↗ any other questions or comments before

26:14 ↗ we move on i want to make sure we leave

26:15 ↗ ample time for

26:17 ↗ board discussions i'll add a little bit

26:19 ↗ too um great thanks for those of you

26:21 ↗ that

26:22 ↗ those of you that haven't seen this

26:25 ↗ um

26:26 ↗ it reminded me a little bit of you know

26:28 ↗ when you're at a

26:30 ↗ ball game and they have the break and

26:32 ↗ they have like the

26:33 ↗ the elevator cars on the space needle

26:36 ↗ race and you vote for which one you

26:37 ↗ think is going to win

26:39 ↗ uh so hang tight as you walk through

26:41 ↗ these we've been through two of the

26:43 ↗ criteria

26:44 ↗ and there's how many more five

26:46 ↗ uh and

26:48 ↗ six but

26:49 ↗ certainly like the info of like what you

26:53 ↗ recall danielle is really important and

26:55 ↗ raising these questions are important

26:56 ↗ but also i guess i'm suggesting that you

26:59 ↗ maintain some patience and watch how

27:02 ↗ this plays out i know for me when we

27:04 ↗ started the first meeting i

27:07 ↗ had some thoughts about well from

27:09 ↗ reading it i i bet you were going to end

27:10 ↗ up here

27:11 ↗ and

27:13 ↗ as we journeyed down this pathway i went

27:15 ↗ all over the place

27:17 ↗ and uh and and still kind of am so give

27:20 ↗ some time and um

27:22 ↗ and go for it

27:26 ↗ i think one one more thing that i could

27:28 ↗ add from the subcommittee meetings is

27:31 ↗ initially and if the board might recall

27:34 ↗ we had talked about doing some type of

27:37 ↗ scoring matrix where there would be a

27:39 ↗ weighted

27:40 ↗ factor for each one

27:42 ↗ and depending on what the inputs would

27:43 ↗ be it would spit out a value

27:46 ↗ to show that and uh this this

27:49 ↗ simpler model which i think was

27:51 ↗ uh maybe marlene's inspiration with the

27:54 ↗ red yellow and green is meant to to be

27:56 ↗ more of a guidance than as prescriptive

27:58 ↗ or granular and potentially

28:02 ↗ more detail than than would be

28:03 ↗ worthwhile with the scoring system and

28:05 ↗ so i i really liked that optimization

28:07 ↗ and just to be able to

28:09 ↗ to provide some high level

28:11 ↗ um simplification there to to make

28:14 ↗ discussion easier without getting into

28:16 ↗ the weeds of you know what's the

28:17 ↗ difference between an eight and a nine

28:19 ↗ or a five and a seven or something like

28:21 ↗ that on a more um weighted type of scale

28:28 ↗ thank you for adding that andrew that's

28:30 ↗ really good

28:35 ↗ so if there's nothing

28:37 ↗ more i am going to

28:40 ↗ we're going to hit the bottom of page

28:42 ↗ one here and talk about

28:45 ↗ level of immediate uh economic benefit

28:50 ↗ uh what here what we really tried to

28:52 ↗ take a look at was are there businesses

28:55 ↗ nearby

28:56 ↗ uh

28:57 ↗ will this activity potentially draw new

29:00 ↗ visitors to this area or are we just

29:02 ↗ building upon you know the existing

29:04 ↗ visitors

29:05 ↗ um

29:06 ↗ what is a long-term maintenance and also

29:09 ↗ will this project

29:11 ↗ spur future business and development and

29:13 ↗ get people excited

29:15 ↗ i'm going to jump down to the last one

29:17 ↗ there the incubator at the bottom we

29:20 ↗ felt any of these projects if done right

29:23 ↗ i

29:24 ↗ will

29:25 ↗ potentially um

29:27 ↗ provide some enthusiasm into these areas

29:30 ↗ and has the opportunity to add

29:33 ↗ uh

29:34 ↗ or bring future businesses to the area

29:37 ↗ or future

29:38 ↗ development um so with that when we look

29:42 ↗ at uh immediate economic benefits

29:46 ↗ and we look at tibbetts valley park

29:49 ↗ there's not a lot of things available to

29:51 ↗ individuals you have to walk a block

29:52 ↗ away to go get food or drink when using

29:55 ↗ the park

29:56 ↗ but would it draw new visitors to the

29:58 ↗ area oh yeah we know tibbetts is a old

30:02 ↗ park that is in dire need of some

30:05 ↗ modern renovation to optimize its

30:08 ↗ potential

30:10 ↗ and to

30:12 ↗ when we take a look at the long-term

30:14 ↗ maintenance and this is really

30:16 ↗ for all of them um

30:19 ↗ you know we opted not to

30:21 ↗ rank those because they're really going

30:23 ↗ to be dependent upon specific amenities

30:25 ↗ that are chosen and selected as to what

30:27 ↗ that influence is

30:29 ↗ but one thing to keep in mind as with

30:32 ↗ any of these projects as with any

30:34 ↗ capital project uh city council has

30:36 ↗ asked us that when we

30:38 ↗ put forth funding recommend

30:40 ↗ recommendations

30:42 ↗ as part of that we also put forth what

30:44 ↗ our maintenance

30:46 ↗ requirements are going to be so they're

30:47 ↗ aware of that so

30:50 ↗ any future maintenance would be

30:52 ↗ willingly taken on by the city and be

30:54 ↗ part of future funding requests so we

30:56 ↗ don't really feel that that needs to be

30:58 ↗ a determining factor at this point um

31:01 ↗ but you know we'll take a look because

31:03 ↗ things like a splash park um require a

31:06 ↗ lot more maintenance than a playground

31:07 ↗ so that is something that as we get

31:10 ↗ further down the line and start looking

31:12 ↗ at more project specific elements uh we

31:15 ↗ can go back and rank okay

31:18 ↗ but

31:19 ↗ uh right now as we look at veterans

31:21 ↗ memorial field and you know there's

31:23 ↗ businesses nearby old town front street

31:25 ↗ i think the pandemic really heightened

31:28 ↗ um the need for outdoor and community

31:30 ↗ gathering spaces in old town you may

31:32 ↗ remember there was a streetery where we

31:34 ↗ closed down

31:36 ↗ front street for a while

31:38 ↗ there's parklets out there now with

31:41 ↗ some businesses being able to have

31:43 ↗ outdoor dining so how could we maybe

31:46 ↗ support some of that in the veterans

31:48 ↗ depot and pedestrian park areas

31:51 ↗ and also there's a potential to draw new

31:53 ↗ visitors

31:55 ↗ to the area

31:56 ↗ so both

31:57 ↗ tibbetts valley

31:59 ↗ even though we had a yellow

32:01 ↗ we know that it's timbers valley park is

32:03 ↗ right next to the boundary you know the

32:05 ↗ northern boundary of tibbetts valley

32:07 ↗ park which is newport way

32:10 ↗ is going to redevelop

32:12 ↗ and um right on the other side is

32:15 ↗ central issaquah and kitty corner from

32:18 ↗ tibbetts valley park is going to be some

32:19 ↗ new

32:20 ↗ uh

32:21 ↗ housing residents as well yes daniel

32:28 ↗ um i i was curious of why

32:31 ↗ i i don't i'm not opposed to um or i

32:34 ↗ understand why you would classify maybe

32:37 ↗ um

32:37 ↗ pivots in a different way than veterans

32:40 ↗ memorial for this business is nearby

32:42 ↗ but to me

32:43 ↗ the tibbetts is just as close to

32:45 ↗ businesses

32:47 ↗ now as um and will be like right when

32:50 ↗ that area is redeveloped for sir for

32:52 ↗ sure as confluence park so

32:55 ↗ i was curious why you treated

32:57 ↗ those because when you're in confluence

32:59 ↗ park you're also you do need to walk

33:01 ↗ you know a little bit um before you come

33:04 ↗ to like a a restaurant or you know

33:06 ↗ somewhere

33:07 ↗ to a business

33:08 ↗ um i was curious if

33:11 ↗ you could share

33:13 ↗ i think part of that was differently and

33:15 ↗ i'm speaking for the ad hoc committee so

33:18 ↗ please uh feel free to chime in ad hoc

33:20 ↗ if i missed it

33:22 ↗ uh part of that rationale is right now

33:25 ↗ there's really um

33:27 ↗ you've got to walk on a city street

33:29 ↗ you've got sidewalks you don't have some

33:31 ↗ of that atmosphere where confluence has

33:34 ↗ an immediate connection you know you're

33:37 ↗ only one block to gilman village you

33:40 ↗ also have the rainier trail to easily

33:41 ↗ take you into

33:43 ↗ front street and

33:44 ↗ old town area

33:46 ↗ so it didn't feel it was quite as

33:48 ↗ separate or as

33:50 ↗ it was more intuitive to have those

33:52 ↗ adjacencies than at tibbetts valley park

33:54 ↗ right now to go walk down two blocks to

33:57 ↗ go to target or you have to walk two

33:59 ↗ blocks uh to go up to mall street

34:02 ↗ um over in there so just

34:05 ↗ i think it's kind of the existing

34:07 ↗ atmosphere around each of those that

34:08 ↗ cause that little differentiation not to

34:11 ↗ say and i think we're looking at two

34:14 ↗ if this project were built in the next

34:16 ↗ two years

34:17 ↗ how is it going to be um relating to

34:20 ↗ those you know yes for tibbetts there's

34:23 ↗ going to be a long future impact uh with

34:26 ↗ something

34:27 ↗ i guess there are some businesses there

34:28 ↗ that i've walked to from tibbetts i mean

34:30 ↗ like gas lamp for sure

34:32 ↗ um you have the top pot i mean there are

34:34 ↗ there are

34:35 ↗ there are places um that are closed but

34:37 ↗ it doesn't really matter i don't think

34:39 ↗ as with your matrix because they're all

34:41 ↗ kind of green so

34:42 ↗ um but i do want to just put that in

34:45 ↗ put that out there that tibbetts is

34:46 ↗ close to businesses

34:49 ↗ not not yet not front street but

34:52 ↗ sorry jeff here that's a that's a great

34:54 ↗ point danielle and if i just point out

34:56 ↗ too

34:57 ↗ i think part of the elegance of this

34:59 ↗ green

35:00 ↗ yellow red approach looking at

35:03 ↗ each of the subsets within these but

35:05 ↗ then creating a

35:08 ↗ sort of a general color for that

35:10 ↗ category if you see level of immediate

35:12 ↗ economic benefit both

35:14 ↗ tibbetts and veterans were overall given

35:16 ↗ green

35:17 ↗ um as opposed to

35:19 ↗ the creek corridor and confluence being

35:21 ↗ yellow at this point so i think the

35:23 ↗ discussion

35:24 ↗ sort of captured some of what you're

35:26 ↗ saying as well danielle

35:30 ↗ brenda did you have a comment i did i

35:32 ↗ have been driving trying to raise my

35:34 ↗ hand here but i don't see it but the

35:35 ↗ button doesn't seem to work um i was

35:38 ↗ clear back on parking but it still has

35:40 ↗ to do with businesses and parking

35:42 ↗ the parking is pretty

35:44 ↗ premium downtown at veterans right now

35:47 ↗ and if we increase

35:49 ↗ make it even more desirable

35:51 ↗ it's wonderful and a good idea but what

35:53 ↗ are you gonna do with more people down

35:54 ↗ there

36:00 ↗ parking is go ahead jeff

36:03 ↗ yeah it's a great question brenda i know

36:05 ↗ that um

36:07 ↗ planning department did a parking study

36:09 ↗ a number of years ago

36:10 ↗ yes we can say it's a premium if you

36:12 ↗ want to be right behind or near the

36:14 ↗ business you're at but i think in

36:16 ↗ general that parking study certainly

36:18 ↗ recognized when you look at

36:20 ↗ parking within a walkable distance of of

36:24 ↗ the park the rainier trail all the

36:26 ↗ parking down along the rainier trail

36:28 ↗ there is um quite a bit of parking uh

36:31 ↗ still available in the in the downtown

36:33 ↗ area

36:36 ↗ but definitely something we would want

36:37 ↗ to be taking into consideration right so

36:40 ↗ as we look at amenities as we should we

36:42 ↗ decide on focusing on an area or two

36:46 ↗ within veterans

36:48 ↗ as we start looking at actually scoping

36:51 ↗ and budgeting actual amenities we'll

36:53 ↗ want to pay very very close attention to

36:55 ↗ that

37:00 ↗ just fred

37:04 ↗ why is confluence

37:06 ↗ under draw new visitors to area

37:09 ↗ says yes but it's listed as yellow

37:13 ↗ whereas the other three are all listed

37:14 ↗ as yes but they're green

37:17 ↗ good question i think that was because

37:20 ↗ part of that conversation with um

37:23 ↗ phase four

37:24 ↗ and also um

37:26 ↗ there was also when we look at some of

37:28 ↗ the elements that would be included in

37:32 ↗ phase two

37:33 ↗ they could draw new visitors but was it

37:36 ↗ quite as exciting as some of the others

37:39 ↗ um

37:40 ↗ you know we know phase four would be a

37:42 ↗ big impact but could we make phase two

37:45 ↗ enough of an impact and i think that's

37:47 ↗ where there was a little discussion like

37:49 ↗ how stimulating could that

37:52 ↗ could that be to really draw new

37:53 ↗ visitors or is it really providing more

37:56 ↗ of a new

37:57 ↗ it's more of an experience for the

37:59 ↗ existing visitor rather than being an

38:01 ↗ attractant for new just to add some

38:04 ↗ additional play areas or add a different

38:06 ↗ picnic shelter to the

38:08 ↗ space

38:10 ↗ didn't feel like it was a huge

38:11 ↗ attractant

38:14 ↗ okay

38:15 ↗ probably depends on what would happen

38:16 ↗ with the eckhaus i think so

38:19 ↗ yeah

38:21 ↗ i think so

38:23 ↗ so are we good with kind of level of

38:25 ↗ economic benefit and overall colors for

38:28 ↗ the group on this segment um like jeff

38:31 ↗ said you know tibbetts and veterans we

38:33 ↗ feel a little more green as far as the

38:35 ↗ level of immediate economic benefits

38:38 ↗ um the creek corridor you know that one

38:41 ↗ was really dependent upon which location

38:43 ↗ we chose

38:44 ↗ um

38:46 ↗ and then

38:47 ↗ the confluence park we felt was

38:50 ↗ uh

38:51 ↗ yellow it's kind of a moderate

38:54 ↗ benefit there

38:57 ↗ hi berlin

38:59 ↗ right we might want to just to clarify

39:01 ↗ for brad's point maybe instead of just

39:03 ↗ yes with nothing

39:05 ↗ um on

39:06 ↗ drawing visitors maybe we just say

39:09 ↗ you know moderate for phase two or you

39:11 ↗ know maybe

39:12 ↗ maybe more of a qualifier than just

39:14 ↗ straight a yes with without the context

39:16 ↗ of why it's yellow yes i will add that i

39:18 ↗ have no

39:20 ↗ good call

39:24 ↗ okay

39:25 ↗ well with that we'll go down to

39:27 ↗ our next page which is page four

39:31 ↗ or excuse me page two

39:33 ↗ criteria number four which was level of

39:36 ↗ community access and benefit

39:40 ↗ um here

39:41 ↗ i think when we look at some of the

39:43 ↗ community engagement we did with our

39:44 ↗ anchor parks pre-pandemic

39:47 ↗ uh back in 2019 one of the things we

39:50 ↗ heard from the community is they wanted

39:52 ↗ all year round activities places to go

39:54 ↗ in the rain play things to do in the

39:57 ↗ winter time

39:59 ↗ and how can we start having more access

40:02 ↗ and enjoyment within the parks

40:05 ↗ also is there community advocacy or

40:07 ↗ interest groups that can really help get

40:09 ↗ behind

40:10 ↗ what it is we're doing and help support

40:12 ↗ this

40:14 ↗ project and also is it easily accessed

40:16 ↗ not only by

40:18 ↗ sidewalks and neighborhoods but as their

40:20 ↗ transit and

40:22 ↗ is the site conducive

40:24 ↗ to

40:25 ↗ universal access for anyone of different

40:28 ↗ disabilities obviously any future

40:30 ↗ improvements we have to make ada

40:32 ↗ accessible

40:33 ↗ but what is the current conditions of

40:35 ↗ these sites

40:38 ↗ so when we look at that and we look at

40:41 ↗ tibbetts valley park you're going to be

40:42 ↗ done in time to water the back

40:45 ↗ no

40:50 ↗ um so when we look at tibbetts valley

40:52 ↗ park

40:53 ↗ um

40:55 ↗ and really for all of the different

40:57 ↗ parks when we look at year round all

40:59 ↗ season that is really dependent upon the

41:02 ↗ elements or the amenity that gets

41:04 ↗ selected for each site so again this is

41:06 ↗ an element we'll go back and rank later

41:10 ↗ but we feel

41:12 ↗ we know it's important for each of the

41:14 ↗ various sites so we didn't rank that one

41:17 ↗ so if we just really focus on the

41:18 ↗ community advocacy

41:20 ↗ and whether or not it's easily accessed

41:23 ↗ uh for tibbetts valley park green all

41:25 ↗ around you know yes we have sports

41:27 ↗ groups um yes we have transit center

41:30 ↗ nearby uh there's vehicular access it's

41:33 ↗ you know there's sidewalks to get there

41:35 ↗ um it's a relatively flat site

41:38 ↗ not to say that doesn't need

41:40 ↗ improvements but there's general

41:42 ↗ ease of access due to its location

41:45 ↗ same with veterans memorial um

41:49 ↗ you know there's a lot of focus groups

41:51 ↗ with businesses and different

41:52 ↗ individuals that can really get behind

41:54 ↗ improvements there we also have the

41:55 ↗ senior center

41:57 ↗ and it too is transit nearby with the

42:00 ↗ bus stop right at city hall

42:03 ↗ their sidewalks relatively flat site

42:06 ↗ yes there are areas that need to have

42:08 ↗ better access but it is relatively

42:11 ↗ accessible overall

42:14 ↗ this quad creek corridor you know we

42:17 ↗ there's a lot of community interest and

42:20 ↗ advocacy

42:21 ↗ we know at this point alps trails club

42:24 ↗ would get behind helping us

42:26 ↗ identify trail connections um through

42:28 ↗ the different neighborhoods as well as

42:30 ↗ mountain sound greenway

42:32 ↗ there's been long support for um as you

42:35 ↗ recall the crete corridor is not only

42:37 ↗ connecting

42:39 ↗ squat valley park to lake smamish we're

42:41 ↗ looking at how we make habitat

42:43 ↗ connections

42:44 ↗ how we

42:46 ↗ get a primary circulation route but how

42:49 ↗ do we also add additional secondary

42:51 ↗ routes that get you to neighborhoods and

42:53 ↗ businesses and destinations that people

42:56 ↗ want

42:57 ↗ so to make the downtown and

43:00 ↗ all three reaches pickering reach the

43:02 ↗ old town reach in the squawk reach more

43:05 ↗ accessible and walkable

43:07 ↗ for everyone on the valley floor

43:11 ↗ um so with that uh you know is it easily

43:13 ↗ accessed well depending upon the

43:15 ↗ locations it could be a little bit more

43:17 ↗ of a challenge we don't have a lot of

43:19 ↗ sidewalks or crossings and different

43:21 ↗ reaches so we felt that was more of a

43:23 ↗ yellow

43:24 ↗ um

43:27 ↗ community advocacy and confluence park

43:30 ↗ didn't really feel if we at a playground

43:33 ↗ that there's really going to be a big

43:34 ↗ group getting behind that you know there

43:37 ↗ could be a few families but um not quite

43:40 ↗ some of the support from other different

43:42 ↗ interest groups um for those

43:44 ↗ improvements

43:46 ↗ overall so this um ranked as a yellow so

43:48 ↗ we're looking at tibbetts as a green

43:51 ↗ veterans as an overall green in the

43:53 ↗ creek corridor and confluence parks

43:55 ↗ as yellows

43:58 ↗ so with that i'm going to pause

44:04 ↗ and see if there's any additional

44:06 ↗ questions

44:17 ↗ okay

44:18 ↗ i really want us to get to the

44:20 ↗ discussion so i'm going to keep flying

44:21 ↗ here and

44:24 ↗ keep on with this okay

44:26 ↗ because we're almost there

44:27 ↗ looking at park connections i'm not

44:29 ↗ going to go through each one of these

44:32 ↗ because it's pretty self-explanatory

44:34 ↗ but

44:35 ↗ we really looked at how does this

44:36 ↗ connect to existing parks and trails

44:38 ↗ neighborhoods and destinations as well

44:40 ↗ as specifically transit

44:43 ↗ and ranked all of those based upon the

44:45 ↗ different neighborhoods and just do

44:47 ↗ their proximity and this was somewhat

44:49 ↗ representative of the category above

44:52 ↗ you know

44:53 ↗ tibbetts valley is green just due to its

44:55 ↗ location

44:58 ↗ veterans memorial is also green

45:02 ↗ yellow

45:03 ↗ for um

45:05 ↗ uh

45:06 ↗ creek corridor and confluence is also

45:09 ↗ green

45:11 ↗ if i can have one comment about i think

45:13 ↗ that the thought of the subcommittee

45:15 ↗ with with

45:17 ↗ the creek quarter being yellow at this

45:18 ↗ point it's kind of oxidizing oxymoron

45:21 ↗ and that that whole goal is

45:23 ↗ is connectivity but to think of a form

45:26 ↗ you know a small investment of four

45:28 ↗ million dollars it would be hard to

45:31 ↗ necessarily find one that's

45:32 ↗ automatically connected

45:36 ↗ to the degree that

45:39 ↗ we'd be seeking

45:43 ↗ thank you jeff that's

45:45 ↗ spot on

45:48 ↗ spot on

45:50 ↗ so when we looked at future phasing this

45:52 ↗ is where we got into some of our uh

45:56 ↗ blending of colors and not going full

45:58 ↗ red

45:59 ↗ we kind of did our multiple shades of

46:01 ↗ orange

46:02 ↗ by mixing yellow in uh when we just

46:05 ↗ looked at um what areas of each park we

46:08 ↗ could do

46:11 ↗ tibis valley

46:13 ↗ given the environmental conditions and

46:15 ↗ all the other conditions we've talked

46:17 ↗ about up above

46:19 ↗ to get a project that we could easily do

46:22 ↗ we could quickly do we'd likely be

46:25 ↗ taking a field

46:27 ↗ and likely working off of the corner of

46:29 ↗ newport and 12th avenue

46:33 ↗ so we know that that has some impact and

46:35 ↗ we're not yet sure how any development

46:37 ↗ there would fit into any future master

46:40 ↗ planning work

46:42 ↗ so that one is a little on the

46:45 ↗ transitional difficult side

46:48 ↗ for that

46:49 ↗ when we look at veterans memorial

46:53 ↗ including the area around the senior

46:54 ↗ center depot park pedestrian park

46:58 ↗ four million dollars at any location

47:01 ↗ could be

47:02 ↗ because of some of the existing features

47:05 ↗ that would likely like parking

47:07 ↗ we could

47:08 ↗ connect and enhance but there might be a

47:11 ↗ more opportunity to phase in in and

47:13 ↗ around those elements because we know

47:16 ↗ within this project we're not going to

47:17 ↗ be moving parking as part of it

47:20 ↗ or significant parking

47:23 ↗ so how could we

47:24 ↗ work with someone of the bounds we

47:26 ↗ already have

47:28 ↗ um for that

47:29 ↗ so we felt that was a little more green

47:31 ↗ and doable given our park spaces

47:34 ↗ when we look at the creek corridor

47:36 ↗ um we really started looking at um

47:40 ↗ really the old town reach had the most

47:43 ↗ land connections already the most

47:45 ↗ destinations the most neighborhoods at

47:47 ↗ impacts

47:49 ↗ however

47:50 ↗ there's still some challenges there with

47:52 ↗ access and bridge crossings and so while

47:54 ↗ this isn't quite a yellow and it's not

47:57 ↗ quite an orange or a darker orange this

48:00 ↗ is kind of a

48:02 ↗ medium orange as far as how it would fit

48:05 ↗ into the future phases and how much

48:07 ↗ could we get with that 4 million

48:09 ↗ knowing we have permitting processes and

48:11 ↗ other things that take time

48:14 ↗ but when we also looked at confluence we

48:16 ↗ really felt that was green and really

48:18 ↗ quite doable and we know fits within the

48:20 ↗ scheme of an existing master plan and

48:24 ↗ is really putting the finishing touches

48:26 ↗ on the park

48:28 ↗ for that

48:31 ↗ other considerations which i'm just

48:33 ↗ going to quickly go through was other

48:35 ↗ influencing work underway with not only

48:38 ↗ with the city but with others and other

48:40 ↗ site features um

48:43 ↗ you know tibbetts creek there's a

48:45 ↗ sediment study going on there's storm

48:47 ↗ and surface water master plan there's

48:49 ↗ newport way improvements this section

48:51 ↗ doesn't have a profile yet

48:53 ↗ we're working on their city-wide

48:55 ↗ athletic field study which hopefully

48:57 ↗ will be done in the coming months

49:01 ↗ there's existing osprey nest out in the

49:03 ↗ middle on one of the light poles um

49:06 ↗ there's existing public works pump house

49:08 ↗ um so there's a lot of other things and

49:10 ↗ there's also a parking agreement with

49:12 ↗ king county metro

49:14 ↗ um which could be really um

49:17 ↗ a lot of things for us to work through

49:19 ↗ when we try and pick any one site or

49:21 ↗ area

49:22 ↗ uh yes danielle

49:27 ↗ sorry it takes me a while to get to my

49:28 ↗ mute button um

49:30 ↗ the city-wide athletic field city i

49:32 ↗ think would also apply to veterans

49:35 ↗ memorial so it would just that would be

49:37 ↗ something i would like to see in that

49:38 ↗ box as well

49:41 ↗ very good i will certainly have that

49:45 ↗ a great point danielle that was

49:47 ↗ something i was going to mention too is

49:48 ↗ jen nice nice overview of the phasing

49:51 ↗ um and again the subcommittee a lot of

49:53 ↗ time spent on that because that's a

49:55 ↗ really tricky part of this is how do we

49:58 ↗ how do we phase in a really smart way

50:00 ↗ that allows future phases to happen

50:03 ↗ but discussion around the field at

50:04 ↗ veterans danielle just so you know and

50:06 ↗ the rest of the park board knows that

50:08 ↗ really came up as well that it would be

50:10 ↗ problematic to try and

50:12 ↗ do something with that field at veterans

50:14 ↗ as a as a first phase

50:16 ↗ with this project um uh not only the

50:20 ↗ city-wide athletic field study but for a

50:23 ↗ number of other reasons as well

50:25 ↗ okay that's great to hear

50:29 ↗ um

50:30 ↗ so just real quick going through so

50:32 ↗ overall we really gave tibbetts more of

50:34 ↗ an orange red on that one just because

50:37 ↗ there's so much other work that can

50:38 ↗ influence what we do there

50:41 ↗ um

50:42 ↗ the storm and surface water master plan

50:44 ↗ is underway it will affect

50:46 ↗ areas in and around and near

50:49 ↗ veterans but

50:50 ↗ nothing that's

50:52 ↗ insurmountable

50:54 ↗ and then um

50:57 ↗ we've also at uh

50:59 ↗ the creek corridor we also have the king

51:01 ↗ county is working on a creek migration

51:03 ↗ study there's updated mapping and

51:06 ↗ storm capacity issues we've also got

51:09 ↗ wayfinding which is underway right now

51:11 ↗ um and another

51:13 ↗ factor is you know just the importance

51:15 ↗ of creeks

51:16 ↗ shading and keeping that

51:18 ↗ forested for habitat protection

51:21 ↗ so we gave that a

51:23 ↗ yellow as well as um

51:26 ↗ confluence park just because you know

51:29 ↗ the maintenance shop isn't moving

51:31 ↗ anytime soon

51:34 ↗ so other proposed improvements um

51:38 ↗ so what we did here is this is an added

51:41 ↗ category and all of the concepts that we

51:44 ↗ had developed through the public

51:46 ↗ engagement for these anchor parks

51:48 ↗ pre-pandemic

51:50 ↗ we took all of the ideas that we had

51:52 ↗ received from the community

51:55 ↗ for each park and we listed them all out

51:58 ↗ and you will notice here we have

52:00 ↗ elements that are in scope

52:02 ↗ and then we have down here elements that

52:04 ↗ are out of scope

52:06 ↗ and this was based upon work that i did

52:09 ↗ um solely with the consultant team as

52:12 ↗ well as shared with the

52:13 ↗ ad hoc committee to make sure we were

52:16 ↗ getting this right

52:19 ↗ what could we add in that wouldn't have

52:21 ↗ any future impacts that

52:26 ↗ are easily doable

52:28 ↗ that don't have a ripple effect as far

52:30 ↗ as some of the constructability elements

52:32 ↗ of them like an athletic field

52:35 ↗ sports fields you need

52:36 ↗ you know

52:37 ↗ drainage systems you need to pre-treat

52:40 ↗ your water there's other things that go

52:42 ↗ into those

52:44 ↗ making sure we're making a smart

52:45 ↗ investment decision

52:47 ↗ and also some of them really help

52:50 ↗ dictate like athletic fields

52:53 ↗ what happens where and where do they go

52:56 ↗ and so are we really at the stage where

52:58 ↗ we can start playing with an athletic

53:01 ↗ field at tibbetts valley park or not and

53:04 ↗ we felt no we're not at that stage yet

53:06 ↗ that we could make that decision so we

53:08 ↗ took that out of scope

53:10 ↗ and so when we started looking at all

53:13 ↗ these scoping items and given all of the

53:15 ↗ responses above

53:17 ↗ um

53:19 ↗ the one thing that did come out at

53:20 ↗ tibbetts that felt somewhat doable was a

53:22 ↗ dog park

53:24 ↗ so that it alone

53:27 ↗ is yellow while the whole park overall

53:31 ↗ is kind of orange red because we know

53:33 ↗ this is one feature within a bigger

53:35 ↗ feature but also when you look at

53:38 ↗ tidbits as a whole

53:40 ↗ maybe there's another site within the

53:42 ↗ park that could be used for a dog park

53:44 ↗ aspect

53:46 ↗ as we're just thinking so we're just

53:48 ↗ thinking out loud here

53:50 ↗ um other amenities to consider

53:52 ↗ especially at tibbetts is you know what

53:54 ↗ is the future of tibbetts creek matter

53:55 ↗ right now it's being used for city

53:57 ↗ meetings and things but that could have

53:59 ↗ a huge impact as well on our on the park

54:02 ↗ space

54:04 ↗ we also um really want to thank the ad

54:07 ↗ hoc committee for this one is the effort

54:09 ↗ versus impact

54:11 ↗ and there seems to be a lot of high

54:13 ↗ effort and high impact needed for

54:16 ↗ tibbetts valley park and we want to make

54:18 ↗ sure we get it right one of the

54:20 ↗ trade-offs would be we if if we were to

54:22 ↗ do any of these sports courts or a

54:24 ↗ pavilion or

54:26 ↗ dog park area

54:27 ↗ um

54:28 ↗ we could be looking at the removal of a

54:30 ↗ baseball field not necessarily for the

54:32 ↗ dog park but for some of the other

54:34 ↗ elements um within the park and are we

54:37 ↗ ready to do that

54:39 ↗ so the ad hoc committee felt and not

54:42 ↗ quite yet

54:43 ↗ um so this is more of an orange shade

54:47 ↗ but at veterans um there's a lot of

54:49 ↗ things that we can still add into the

54:51 ↗ scope

54:53 ↗ civic plaza senior porch activity area

54:56 ↗ providing more activities for the senior

54:58 ↗ center was really something that came

55:00 ↗ out of all of the community engagement

55:02 ↗ in 2019

55:05 ↗ for the sport course but could we add on

55:07 ↗ to play uh a winter use area also um

55:12 ↗ what about general pedestrian park depot

55:15 ↗ improvement connections and making those

55:17 ↗ spaces um revived

55:21 ↗ some things we don't feel we're quite

55:23 ↗ ready and these are really kind of

55:24 ↗ circled around the field danielle is

55:26 ↗ like a walking loop we had talked about

55:28 ↗ how can we create a walking loop in and

55:30 ↗ around the field space

55:32 ↗ a splash and play feature

55:34 ↗ to be of size and scale that

55:37 ↗ people wanted it um

55:40 ↗ veterans we're not quite ready to cite

55:42 ↗ that yet and we want to make sure that

55:44 ↗ that location is in a good location for

55:47 ↗ access

55:48 ↗ visibility things like that

55:51 ↗ so we really need to be thinking of

55:53 ↗ those so as we considered everything

55:55 ↗ within the in scope and out of scope um

55:58 ↗ felt there was a little more low effort

56:00 ↗ and still the opportunity to have some

56:03 ↗ high impact

56:04 ↗ at veteran when looking at

56:07 ↗ the senior center depot park and

56:09 ↗ pedestrian park

56:10 ↗ yep daniel i saw you had your hand up

56:13 ↗ sorry i guess that wasn't clear to me

56:15 ↗ that we were just looking at the

56:19 ↗ at the senior center

56:21 ↗ um

56:22 ↗ pedestrian park depot park park

56:25 ↗ because

56:26 ↗ to me like an improvement to

56:28 ↗ veterans memorial field is going to be

56:31 ↗ like kind of we have to figure out

56:33 ↗ comprehensively what what that

56:35 ↗ the whole area is going to do right and

56:37 ↗ how that's going to look and my

56:39 ↗ recollection was that we were

56:42 ↗ well i still think that we have to add

56:45 ↗ also on the trade-off

56:47 ↗ and maybe we don't if we're not talking

56:49 ↗ about the actual field but the potential

56:52 ↗ removal of a baseball field similar to

56:54 ↗ how we have it at tibbetts right i would

56:56 ↗ just add that there as well

56:59 ↗ yeah and that's really when we took a

57:00 ↗ lot of these elements that impacted the

57:03 ↗ field out

57:04 ↗ of

57:05 ↗ the conversation like we know a splash

57:08 ↗ pad or a winter skating loop or a

57:10 ↗ walking loop around really all kind of

57:13 ↗ impact that field

57:15 ↗ if we're trying to have those

57:17 ↗ conversations and get a doable project

57:19 ↗ by the end of 24

57:21 ↗ yeah it really felt like some of these

57:23 ↗ other spaces were far more conducive to

57:27 ↗ let's get in let's make an impact let's

57:29 ↗ do a great community design

57:32 ↗ and get something built that would still

57:34 ↗ energize and still fulfill all the

57:36 ↗ long-term needs

57:38 ↗ yeah maybe i can make a quick

57:39 ↗ clarification too that and i think we

57:42 ↗ can add this to our narrative as this is

57:43 ↗ a working document gen the first seven

57:45 ↗ criteria really the first seven criteria

57:48 ↗ really focus on the whole site

57:51 ↗ this eighth criteria the proposed

57:53 ↗ improvements is the first one that

57:55 ↗ starts dialing in and saying okay what

57:57 ↗ could we do for four million or what

57:59 ↗ could we do with this investment so your

58:02 ↗ point is spot on danielle all of these

58:04 ↗ parks are still going to require

58:06 ↗ the broader vision

58:08 ↗ but knowing we probably can't

58:10 ↗ finish the broader vision between now

58:12 ↗ and 2024 when this money needs to be

58:14 ↗ spent

58:15 ↗ that this is the first sort of lens of

58:18 ↗ saying okay what

58:20 ↗ what specific improvements and where

58:22 ↗ does it make sense specifically on these

58:24 ↗ sites to to consider

58:26 ↗ capital improvements in this

58:29 ↗ time sensitive um

58:31 ↗ period we have right now does that make

58:33 ↗ sense

58:35 ↗ yeah that makes sense i think i think it

58:37 ↗ would be

58:38 ↗ i just that narrative is helpful

58:42 ↗ right and i think that also the

58:43 ↗ narrative like i i'm also i'm look i

58:46 ↗ think brad made a comment earlier about

58:48 ↗ confluence park talking about phase two

58:50 ↗ and then phase four

58:52 ↗ you know it seems like we're giving

58:54 ↗ confluence park some negative

58:56 ↗ or some dings because of phase four but

58:59 ↗ if phase four isn't at all a practical

59:02 ↗ thing to even be talking about then

59:04 ↗ shouldn't we be evaluating

59:07 ↗ the other criteria about confluence park

59:09 ↗ based on phase two

59:11 ↗ so it would have you know

59:14 ↗ it's this is a really i i totally

59:16 ↗ appreciate everyone who worked on this

59:18 ↗ because trying to get you wrap your head

59:20 ↗ around all these issues is

59:22 ↗ so hard so it looks great um and

59:26 ↗ danielle to your point right there i

59:27 ↗ think when we got to this point

59:30 ↗ in scope phase two

59:33 ↗ scope phase four

59:35 ↗ yeah but you know it's really important

59:37 ↗ to think about if phase four is

59:40 ↗ phase two

59:42 ↗ was

59:43 ↗ was conceived with the idea that phase 4

59:46 ↗ was going to be able to happen and that

59:48 ↗ being that the park facility was going

59:50 ↗ to move and we were going to be able to

59:52 ↗ activate that

59:55 ↗ and that was an area that the community

59:56 ↗ was really excited about and we as a

59:58 ↗ park board are really excited about

1:00:01 ↗ and really made confluence park an

1:00:03 ↗ active like engaging park you know for

1:00:05 ↗ for for everybody and um

1:00:09 ↗ so you know to the extent that that echo

1:00:12 ↗ if that is way down the road in the city

1:00:16 ↗ plans you know like 10 20 30 years down

1:00:19 ↗ the road but that property that the

1:00:22 ↗ eckhouse is on

1:00:23 ↗ can have some active

1:00:25 ↗ youth then i think that we should

1:00:27 ↗ actually look at that and that would

1:00:28 ↗ really finish that part of the park off

1:00:31 ↗ you know

1:00:33 ↗ like it would complete it it would feel

1:00:35 ↗ like still complete you know even though

1:00:37 ↗ we know that there's a phase four

1:00:39 ↗ for 30 years

1:00:43 ↗ let's finish talking creek corridor real

1:00:45 ↗ quick because we kind of went through uh

1:00:47 ↗ the confluence park in that conversation

1:00:50 ↗ but great corridor

1:00:51 ↗ really you know acquisition filling gaps

1:00:54 ↗ is going to be really really important

1:00:56 ↗ with that work not only for travel

1:00:58 ↗ connectivity but also habitat but we

1:01:00 ↗ also have a lot of um

1:01:04 ↗ how do we focus on loops and really

1:01:06 ↗ concentrate on the old town area we felt

1:01:08 ↗ was the most doable out of this one

1:01:11 ↗ thing that was talked about

1:01:13 ↗ um that is along the creek corridor and

1:01:16 ↗ kind of also relates to tibbetts valley

1:01:18 ↗ park a little bit is that dog park

1:01:20 ↗ element you know we've been doing the

1:01:21 ↗ pop-up dog park tour um

1:01:24 ↗ the

1:01:26 ↗ site that is along the rainier trail

1:01:28 ↗ which is part of the creek corridor um

1:01:32 ↗ right next to the community center

1:01:34 ↗ what if that were added in as a

1:01:37 ↗ potential element within the creek

1:01:39 ↗ corridor that could get done and so that

1:01:42 ↗ was talked about potentially

1:01:45 ↗ being a green

1:01:46 ↗ knowing tibbetts valley park could

1:01:49 ↗ potentially have some overall holistic

1:01:52 ↗ challenges

1:01:54 ↗ um with it so

1:01:56 ↗ um

1:01:57 ↗ great corridor overall you know things

1:02:00 ↗ that are out of scope just because of

1:02:02 ↗ timing and permitting issues are like

1:02:04 ↗ bridge connections over issaquah creek

1:02:07 ↗ didn't feel we could get through all of

1:02:09 ↗ that permitting process in time

1:02:11 ↗ um and we really didn't feel we could

1:02:13 ↗ focus on the pick ring reach or squawk

1:02:15 ↗ reach at this time but really the old

1:02:16 ↗ town felt more

1:02:18 ↗ uh doing that so when you take

1:02:21 ↗ all of these elements

1:02:24 ↗ and roll them up

1:02:26 ↗ um it was the ad hoc's recommendation to

1:02:29 ↗ really focus um

1:02:32 ↗ it seems that veterans memorial uh

1:02:35 ↗ senior center depot pedestrian park

1:02:38 ↗ as well as confluence park when you roll

1:02:41 ↗ all of these up

1:02:42 ↗ are probably the most um

1:02:45 ↗ opportunistic

1:02:49 ↗ projects for us to be focusing on in

1:02:52 ↗ order for us to

1:02:54 ↗ hey what can we

1:02:55 ↗ what can 4 million achieve and what can

1:02:58 ↗ we

1:02:59 ↗ construct

1:03:01 ↗ by the end of 2024.

1:03:03 ↗ we have a lot of further scoping to do

1:03:06 ↗ but just kind of as we looked at some of

1:03:08 ↗ these criterion

1:03:10 ↗ um and looked at them all rolled up

1:03:12 ↗ that's really kind of where

1:03:14 ↗ the ad hoc settled on and i'm going to

1:03:18 ↗ leave it at that and open it up for

1:03:21 ↗ uh jeff further discussion or the ad hoc

1:03:24 ↗ committee or any of you park board

1:03:26 ↗ members as well

1:03:28 ↗ yeah i would love to hear from the ad

1:03:30 ↗ hoc members as we drive to this i just i

1:03:32 ↗ want to echo one one thing just a big

1:03:35 ↗ thank you and all this work really

1:03:37 ↗ complex work this is a a work in

1:03:39 ↗ progress

1:03:40 ↗ um the one thing i would add to your

1:03:42 ↗ conclusion jen is um the dog park so you

1:03:46 ↗ know

1:03:47 ↗ there was some real talk amongst the ad

1:03:49 ↗ hoc group and please jump in team

1:03:52 ↗ um

1:03:53 ↗ you know with the popularity of the dog

1:03:55 ↗ park at the old this is the old skate

1:03:57 ↗ park site

1:03:58 ↗ right along the rainier trail

1:04:01 ↗ really activating an element in an area

1:04:03 ↗ of the the creek corridor or the trail

1:04:05 ↗ corridor

1:04:07 ↗ the group really felt i mean if we were

1:04:08 ↗ to look at

1:04:10 ↗ active are really making impact high

1:04:12 ↗ impact on investments that could be a

1:04:14 ↗ dog park location

1:04:16 ↗ um i would add a comment we've made

1:04:18 ↗ before as a park board and staff in our

1:04:21 ↗ discussions is

1:04:22 ↗ the reality that we are probably not

1:04:24 ↗ going to find the golden 10 acre dog

1:04:26 ↗ park in this town we are probably going

1:04:29 ↗ to be a multi-dog park town of

1:04:31 ↗ strategically located

1:04:33 ↗ off-leaf areas throughout our system

1:04:36 ↗ is that the one maybe we

1:04:38 ↗ see as an opportunity to to utilize

1:04:40 ↗ these arbor investments so with that um

1:04:43 ↗ ad hoc committee please jump in

1:04:49 ↗ yep chris

1:04:51 ↗ some thoughts so danielle that was

1:04:53 ↗ really observant

1:04:54 ↗ we

1:04:55 ↗ started out and

1:04:58 ↗ sort of said yeah that uh

1:05:00 ↗ confluence spark phase two works but

1:05:03 ↗ phase force sort of not shouldn't really

1:05:05 ↗ be included but we were sort of we were

1:05:07 ↗ still figuring out our perspectives on

1:05:10 ↗ how to divide things and and

1:05:12 ↗ uh insert dividing lines within these

1:05:16 ↗ uh

1:05:17 ↗ the main names of the parks

1:05:19 ↗ um

1:05:20 ↗ and like for tibbetts

1:05:22 ↗ the feeling was

1:05:24 ↗ there are some elements that are you

1:05:26 ↗ know listed down here and what we can

1:05:27 ↗ see right now that you could do but you

1:05:30 ↗ probably have a bigger impact on

1:05:33 ↗ the the main areas that

1:05:36 ↗ haven't really been figured out yet

1:05:38 ↗ with veterans there were a lot of areas

1:05:41 ↗ that you could do you could do some work

1:05:42 ↗ on

1:05:43 ↗ and still leave

1:05:45 ↗ the field area

1:05:47 ↗ um you know

1:05:48 ↗ available for whatever that needs to be

1:05:51 ↗ when it is finally determined

1:05:53 ↗ and then uh and then similar but we

1:05:55 ↗ didn't go back then with like confluence

1:05:57 ↗ park and just say yeah phase four is

1:05:59 ↗ really out and

1:06:00 ↗ uh i mean we kind of knew that but maybe

1:06:02 ↗ we didn't quite say it exactly so

1:06:04 ↗ um

1:06:06 ↗ i think maybe going back and

1:06:07 ↗ reestablishing what are some of these

1:06:09 ↗ ins and outs and dividing lines would be

1:06:10 ↗ helpful

1:06:12 ↗ uh and then

1:06:13 ↗ i think one thing that we where we

1:06:15 ↗ started going is when we started talking

1:06:17 ↗ about the pop-up dog park getting

1:06:19 ↗ getting included in this

1:06:21 ↗ we started talking about a la carte

1:06:24 ↗ uh

1:06:25 ↗ elements

1:06:27 ↗ and

1:06:28 ↗ this probably makes jen a little nervous

1:06:30 ↗ because you know you could have

1:06:33 ↗ multiple a la cartes at multiple sites

1:06:35 ↗ which means she has more you know they

1:06:37 ↗ have the staff has way more projects

1:06:39 ↗ than is really comfortable

1:06:41 ↗ but it might end up being a way to

1:06:44 ↗ best uh you know spend the four million

1:06:47 ↗ but it complicates spending that four

1:06:49 ↗ million

1:06:50 ↗ and so there's some balance there and i

1:06:52 ↗ think one of the next

1:06:54 ↗ steps we're gonna make you know in

1:06:56 ↗ addition to having everybody on the

1:06:58 ↗ board look at this

1:06:59 ↗ was try and get a sense of what

1:07:02 ↗ all these little individual elements

1:07:04 ↗ you know what is this dog park cost what

1:07:06 ↗ does that dog park cost

1:07:08 ↗ and how can we spend our budget so to

1:07:10 ↗ speak and

1:07:12 ↗ and then take a look at it again and say

1:07:14 ↗ are we going to you know kill our staff

1:07:15 ↗ doing that

1:07:18 ↗ well and i would add not just killing

1:07:20 ↗ the staff but you know we have to get

1:07:21 ↗ this thing done

1:07:23 ↗ right so we have to make sure the

1:07:24 ↗ complexity

1:07:25 ↗ you know we need to make sure that we

1:07:26 ↗ have the right mix between

1:07:28 ↗ you know

1:07:29 ↗ funding impact and time right golden

1:07:33 ↗ triangle so

1:07:35 ↗ figure it out

1:07:41 ↗ david i think i saw your hand up a while

1:07:43 ↗ back

1:07:44 ↗ did you have a comment

1:07:45 ↗ yeah i mean i'm just kind of thinking

1:07:47 ↗ through and absorbing everything

1:07:48 ↗ obviously um just because i wasn't part

1:07:50 ↗ of the ad hoc but

1:07:52 ↗ you know the way i see it again it's my

1:07:54 ↗ personal view is

1:07:57 ↗ i i want to see the four million dollars

1:07:59 ↗ as an accelerator

1:08:01 ↗ and not necessarily just as a gift like

1:08:02 ↗ a one-time gift right so for me i would

1:08:05 ↗ love to hear more from from jen or jeff

1:08:08 ↗ and say like yeah tibbetts and veterans

1:08:11 ↗ are top priorities

1:08:12 ↗ and it doesn't matter if it's a high

1:08:14 ↗ effort we should accelerate and

1:08:15 ↗ contribute some money to get that done

1:08:17 ↗ because it's always going to be this big

1:08:18 ↗ behemoth right that we gotta tackle it

1:08:21 ↗ at some point we gotta but then it'll

1:08:22 ↗ always get pushed off because it's so

1:08:23 ↗ big and so i see this four million

1:08:25 ↗ dollars is something that can actually

1:08:26 ↗ accelerate that and say it's big and

1:08:29 ↗ this is the one opportunity we have to

1:08:30 ↗ actually do something about it so that

1:08:32 ↗ it does get on the on on the ground we

1:08:34 ↗ actually start actioning against it yeah

1:08:36 ↗ it might not open up in 2024 but you

1:08:39 ↗ know in 2026 we're going to love it

1:08:41 ↗ right so

1:08:42 ↗ i just don't want to completely rule out

1:08:45 ↗ tibbetts

1:08:46 ↗ um

1:08:47 ↗ right at the get-go that's all i'm

1:08:48 ↗ saying

1:08:56 ↗ right

1:08:59 ↗ well i appreciate all the work that you

1:09:01 ↗ did here putting this matrix together um

1:09:04 ↗ i think it gives some real good uh

1:09:06 ↗ analysis work so that city council can

1:09:11 ↗ uh you know make some sense out of it um

1:09:14 ↗ you know i'd always thought that uh

1:09:16 ↗ veterans memorial was the place to go

1:09:18 ↗ with arpathons from the get-go primarily

1:09:22 ↗ because it didn't have

1:09:23 ↗ some of the

1:09:24 ↗ concerns that these other areas had

1:09:30 ↗ you know to me probably one of the

1:09:31 ↗ biggest selling features to

1:09:34 ↗ veterans memorial is the effort versus

1:09:37 ↗ impact line item

1:09:39 ↗ uh

1:09:40 ↗ you know to low effort high impact which

1:09:43 ↗ so that means that

1:09:44 ↗ you know four million dollars you get

1:09:46 ↗ the most for your buck for you know

1:09:49 ↗ in a short timeline i mean that's the

1:09:51 ↗ other element to it is

1:09:54 ↗ you know it's being able to accomplish

1:09:55 ↗ something by 2024 and

1:09:59 ↗ so

1:10:00 ↗ you know in addition to all the greens

1:10:02 ↗ that veterans memorial had you know it

1:10:04 ↗ also shows the low effort high impact

1:10:07 ↗ you know i i hear which uh you're saying

1:10:09 ↗ uh about a la carte um

1:10:13 ↗ the only consideration i guess that i

1:10:15 ↗ would give to that is

1:10:19 ↗ on the task force we really talked about

1:10:21 ↗ usage of arpa funds

1:10:23 ↗ as being

1:10:25 ↗ kind of a significant impact and if you

1:10:28 ↗ spread it out throughout the city you're

1:10:30 ↗ not going to really

1:10:31 ↗ have a visual for the community to see a

1:10:34 ↗ significant impact whereas if you devote

1:10:36 ↗ all that money in one place

1:10:39 ↗ it's a lot easier for the community to

1:10:41 ↗ actually see that

1:10:42 ↗ that there was a that there was an

1:10:44 ↗ impact as a result of that funding

1:10:46 ↗ uh so all in all i'm i'm in support of

1:10:50 ↗ what the um

1:10:52 ↗ ad hoc has put together that veterans

1:10:54 ↗ memorial is the is the number one

1:10:56 ↗ priority and and i guess i just added a

1:10:59 ↗ couple things as to why i why i support

1:11:02 ↗ that

1:11:03 ↗ thanks

1:11:06 ↗ daniel

1:11:08 ↗ i i just wonder i'm just going to count

1:11:11 ↗ brad here um

1:11:12 ↗ but i wonder if

1:11:15 ↗ if the elements that would actually be

1:11:18 ↗ um

1:11:19 ↗ addressed at veterans memorial field and

1:11:22 ↗ depot park pedestrian park

1:11:25 ↗ um would be as high impact

1:11:29 ↗ as

1:11:31 ↗ as we

1:11:32 ↗ as are indicated on here

1:11:35 ↗ because you

1:11:37 ↗ especially if you

1:11:39 ↗ haven't completed the master planning

1:11:41 ↗ process for the entire park and i would

1:11:43 ↗ think that we would have to do the

1:11:44 ↗ master plan first so we know exactly

1:11:46 ↗ what's going to what's going to go in

1:11:48 ↗ there and since we haven't done that

1:11:50 ↗ like will we

1:11:52 ↗ is that a realistic timeline

1:11:54 ↗ um

1:11:55 ↗ to do this work versus confluence park

1:11:58 ↗ where we do have a master plan in effect

1:12:01 ↗ my question for confluence park is like

1:12:03 ↗ i'm really not excited about

1:12:06 ↗ you know

1:12:07 ↗ like i don't get excited about like

1:12:08 ↗ completing the lighting and some trail

1:12:11 ↗ edging and

1:12:13 ↗ maybe

1:12:14 ↗ you know adding to the playground

1:12:16 ↗ you know maybe the exhaust activation is

1:12:19 ↗ could be could be it but i would just

1:12:21 ↗ want us to try to you know get something

1:12:24 ↗ put something in there that would like

1:12:26 ↗ make it so that it would have a higher

1:12:27 ↗ higher impact so i feel like confluence

1:12:30 ↗ park is the one that like where we would

1:12:32 ↗ be ready to go or like

1:12:35 ↗ we have a master planning process and

1:12:38 ↗ maybe we would have to adjust it um

1:12:44 ↗ but the the low impact part is not

1:12:46 ↗ exciting right

1:12:47 ↗ i don't know what i don't know what

1:12:48 ↗ we're going to do

1:12:50 ↗ i think one one thing that i would

1:12:52 ↗ mention daniel just said in terms of the

1:12:53 ↗ ad hoc perspective on that impact scale

1:12:57 ↗ is uh

1:12:58 ↗ the

1:12:59 ↗ the lens that i was looking at through

1:13:01 ↗ it at least was

1:13:03 ↗ since confluence is already so built out

1:13:05 ↗ and with veterans and tibbetts we'd

1:13:07 ↗ basically be going from zero to

1:13:09 ↗ something whereas confluence were

1:13:11 ↗ already far up the scale and the the

1:13:14 ↗ benefit the potential impact would be

1:13:16 ↗ much more smaller increment there

1:13:19 ↗ but i love the the point you're making

1:13:21 ↗ about the master plan and i think it's

1:13:24 ↗ it's thoughtful to

1:13:26 ↗ have um that in place for something like

1:13:28 ↗ veterans or tibbetts where we might get

1:13:31 ↗ one shot a generation to kind of redo it

1:13:33 ↗ and do we really want to piecemeal it

1:13:35 ↗ without that

1:13:36 ↗ long-term vision

1:13:38 ↗ and i think the fact that

1:13:40 ↗ we do have that our confluence is a

1:13:41 ↗ great point and if we can't do what

1:13:43 ↗ david's talking about in terms of

1:13:46 ↗ accelerating one of these other

1:13:48 ↗ locations

1:13:50 ↗ then maybe it is

1:13:52 ↗ something to consider as far as

1:13:53 ↗ completing what's already begun at

1:13:55 ↗ confluence

1:13:56 ↗ rather than kind of getting ourselves

1:13:58 ↗ down a road that we might regret with

1:14:00 ↗ with one of these other spots

1:14:03 ↗ yeah and i'll share that you know years

1:14:05 ↗ ago um there was the city had an

1:14:07 ↗ opportunity and was exploring putting in

1:14:10 ↗ an um a covered

1:14:12 ↗ tennis facility

1:14:14 ↗ like to cover basically putting a a

1:14:16 ↗ bubble or a permanent kind of structure

1:14:20 ↗ over the outdoor tennis courts

1:14:22 ↗ and

1:14:23 ↗ you know we spent a lot of time and and

1:14:26 ↗ effort talking about that and ended up

1:14:29 ↗ deciding not to do that partly

1:14:31 ↗ mainly because we didn't have a master

1:14:33 ↗ plan at tibbetts and we didn't want to

1:14:34 ↗ commit ourselves to a long-term

1:14:37 ↗ lease with an outside party

1:14:40 ↗ that would then restrict what we could

1:14:42 ↗ do at tibbetts once we were looking at

1:14:44 ↗ habits holistically and so that would be

1:14:46 ↗ my that wouldn't be my concern at

1:14:48 ↗ veterans is it just like if we're if

1:14:50 ↗ we're not quite there with the master

1:14:52 ↗ plan do we want to be building something

1:14:54 ↗ without knowing what else was going to

1:14:56 ↗ go there and then thinking like you know

1:14:58 ↗ in two years be like uh kind of like

1:15:00 ↗ maybe that maybe would have wouldn't

1:15:01 ↗ have done it that way

1:15:05 ↗ i don't know

1:15:14 ↗ um

1:15:16 ↗ i think we've kind of already talked a

1:15:17 ↗ little bit about master planning efforts

1:15:20 ↗ um and um

1:15:22 ↗ is i correct me if i'm wrong but as i

1:15:25 ↗ understand it we're already kind of set

1:15:28 ↗ with funding to move forward

1:15:31 ↗ aside from arpa funds with master

1:15:33 ↗ planning

1:15:34 ↗ uh for the anchor parks and we could um

1:15:37 ↗ if if veterans were chosen as the as the

1:15:40 ↗ priority that would be

1:15:43 ↗ start doing that now

1:15:45 ↗ try and have that done by

1:15:47 ↗ year end certainly

1:15:49 ↗ um and

1:15:51 ↗ so you're right danielle master plan has

1:15:53 ↗ to be in place in order to decide what

1:15:56 ↗ to do with this

1:15:58 ↗ uh but you know early on we kind of

1:16:00 ↗ talked about that that that you know jen

1:16:02 ↗ could correct me here but we talked you

1:16:05 ↗ know timeline wise that that was still

1:16:07 ↗ feasible

1:16:09 ↗ to actually get the master plan

1:16:11 ↗ accomplished for veterans memorial and

1:16:13 ↗ still be able to use arpa funds for

1:16:16 ↗ specific projects

1:16:18 ↗ um

1:16:20 ↗ i mean that still gives you two year if

1:16:22 ↗ you complete the master plan by the by

1:16:24 ↗ the end of this year that still gives

1:16:25 ↗ you two years to actually get projects

1:16:28 ↗ completed

1:16:29 ↗ uh and it was my understanding that you

1:16:31 ↗ know 2023 would be you know more design

1:16:35 ↗ permitting 2024 was going to be

1:16:38 ↗ construction

1:16:40 ↗ uh so that that still could all be

1:16:41 ↗ accomplished within the our timeline

1:16:46 ↗ without currently having a master plan

1:16:48 ↗ i mean i hear you in terms of a master

1:16:51 ↗ plan already in place at um

1:16:54 ↗ at confluence is attractive which allows

1:16:57 ↗ you to get started but the problem with

1:16:59 ↗ that is to me really the only thing that

1:17:03 ↗ you're going to spend money on is the

1:17:04 ↗ echoes

1:17:05 ↗ and are are you really going to be able

1:17:07 ↗ to you know you know

1:17:10 ↗ give a real

1:17:12 ↗ significant contribution to the

1:17:13 ↗ community with just that house

1:17:16 ↗ versus you know an impact you can have

1:17:18 ↗ for an entire park at veterans memorial

1:17:22 ↗ leading to and also leading to other

1:17:24 ↗ things you complete the eckhouse and

1:17:26 ↗ you're done with phase two that's nice

1:17:28 ↗ to be done with phase two but it doesn't

1:17:30 ↗ really lead us further into future

1:17:33 ↗ phases

1:17:34 ↗ whereas if we invest four million

1:17:36 ↗ dollars in veterans memorial

1:17:38 ↗ that does give us the lead-in you know

1:17:40 ↗ for future additional items that would

1:17:43 ↗ be revealed by the master plan that's

1:17:45 ↗ developed

1:17:47 ↗ so i i'm

1:17:50 ↗ that's my additional comments about why

1:17:52 ↗ veterans memorial i still think takes

1:17:55 ↗ takes precedent thank you

1:18:01 ↗ is that a realistic timeline to get the

1:18:04 ↗ master plan done

1:18:07 ↗ it felt to me that that that master plan

1:18:11 ↗ was done

1:18:13 ↗ largely in part without the community

1:18:15 ↗ knowing kind of the historical

1:18:18 ↗ role that that park has played and that

1:18:20 ↗ was something that we were going to be

1:18:22 ↗ revisiting

1:18:24 ↗ um

1:18:24 ↗ so it just it concerns me that you know

1:18:26 ↗ we're almost in september to think that

1:18:29 ↗ we would be done with a master plan

1:18:31 ↗ by december

1:18:33 ↗ seems that seems really aggressive to me

1:18:36 ↗ i don't know but i'm not the expert here

1:18:39 ↗ you know or within six months you know i

1:18:41 ↗ take it two months you know into next

1:18:43 ↗ year but i don't know i mean that that's

1:18:45 ↗ a that's something for jeff and jen to

1:18:47 ↗ comment about really is that something

1:18:49 ↗ that can be accomplished if that's if

1:18:50 ↗ that's the focus is master plan with

1:18:53 ↗ veterans memorial that's the priority

1:18:56 ↗ uh

1:18:57 ↗ i'm going to answer it a slightly

1:18:58 ↗ different way but i'm going to get i'm

1:18:59 ↗ going to get to the answer because this

1:19:01 ↗ is a really good discussion i think this

1:19:03 ↗ discussion really leads to where the ad

1:19:04 ↗ hoc committee ended and i think the goal

1:19:06 ↗ for tonight the goal for tonight wasn't

1:19:08 ↗ to try and land on what

1:19:11 ↗ uh but i i think what we're hearing is

1:19:13 ↗ these questions are leading to

1:19:15 ↗ okay if if we're focusing on confluence

1:19:18 ↗ let's let's let's put some focus on

1:19:21 ↗ confluence let's put some focus on

1:19:23 ↗ veterans

1:19:25 ↗ um let's maybe make a consideration

1:19:27 ↗ about uh what a dog park would look like

1:19:30 ↗ somewhere um and focus our time and

1:19:32 ↗ attention there in this next month with

1:19:34 ↗ the architect team and the ad hoc and

1:19:37 ↗ really start to drill down okay where

1:19:40 ↗ where within that site do we do some

1:19:42 ↗ improvements what type of improvements

1:19:44 ↗ can we do and how much sort of where

1:19:46 ↗ does four million dollars get us

1:19:48 ↗ with each of those

1:19:50 ↗ that was going to be our next task

1:19:52 ↗ to try and keep this moving forward

1:19:55 ↗ to answer your question

1:19:57 ↗ uh brad and your discussion with

1:19:59 ↗ danielle

1:20:01 ↗ i don't think it's realistic to think we

1:20:03 ↗ could adopt a master plan

1:20:06 ↗ and complete these

1:20:08 ↗ improvements by 2024

1:20:11 ↗ and i say that

1:20:13 ↗ hesitantly because i think we want to

1:20:16 ↗ keep the master plan in mind we always

1:20:18 ↗ we and i think part of these criteria

1:20:20 ↗ really focuses on this we want to keep

1:20:22 ↗ the big picture in mind but i think we

1:20:24 ↗ need to we need to be honest and

1:20:26 ↗ recognize the shot clock

1:20:29 ↗ to to complete this project and to spend

1:20:32 ↗ these arpa dollars

1:20:34 ↗ probably does not let us allow us to

1:20:36 ↗ have a fully completed master plan of

1:20:38 ↗ the whole a whole vision for whatever

1:20:40 ↗ site we choose and the design and

1:20:43 ↗ permitting of the specific project we're

1:20:46 ↗ going to do and the completion of that

1:20:48 ↗ project so one of the things we really

1:20:50 ↗ want to focus on and we talked about

1:20:52 ↗ this with the ad hoc is

1:20:54 ↗ when we decide where we're going to make

1:20:56 ↗ these investments that's why that future

1:20:58 ↗ phasing questions a big it's a big

1:21:00 ↗ question

1:21:01 ↗ we want to make these

1:21:03 ↗ investments with certainty that we're

1:21:05 ↗ not

1:21:06 ↗ getting in the way of what that big

1:21:08 ↗ picture vision is

1:21:10 ↗ we're making an investment that's going

1:21:12 ↗ to live

1:21:13 ↗ and it's going to complement the master

1:21:16 ↗ plan so

1:21:18 ↗ i forgive me brad i'm not directly

1:21:20 ↗ answering your question but i think we

1:21:21 ↗ have to do a little bit of both we

1:21:23 ↗ probably don't have time to fully adopt

1:21:25 ↗ a master plan but we need to keep a

1:21:27 ↗ master plan in mind

1:21:29 ↗ as we

1:21:30 ↗ um locate

1:21:32 ↗ um and identify the amenities that we're

1:21:34 ↗ going to invest on any given site

1:21:36 ↗ whether it's confluence whether it's

1:21:38 ↗ veterans that's why veterans really

1:21:41 ↗ honestly and and

1:21:42 ↗ um

1:21:43 ↗ the the architect teams already begun

1:21:45 ↗ working that the ad hoc team kind of saw

1:21:48 ↗ this

1:21:48 ↗ um but they're working on with this on

1:21:50 ↗ all the sites for

1:21:52 ↗ for well for

1:21:53 ↗ veterans and for confluence but it's why

1:21:57 ↗ the area pedestrian park

1:21:59 ↗ the area around the depot building that

1:22:01 ↗ historic depot building and there's some

1:22:03 ↗ really part there's some park space

1:22:05 ↗ around that there's park space around

1:22:07 ↗ the senior center

1:22:08 ↗ those probably become the areas where

1:22:11 ↗ we're looking at this type of investment

1:22:13 ↗ because we know

1:22:15 ↗ again the field has a lot of big

1:22:18 ↗ questions related to it that we need

1:22:19 ↗ that we need to spend the time

1:22:22 ↗ and i would

1:22:24 ↗ i would caution us

1:22:26 ↗ um to think

1:22:28 ↗ we could complete a master plan within

1:22:30 ↗ that shot clock and feel like we have

1:22:32 ↗ that community pressure to get that done

1:22:35 ↗ in time to make these investments

1:22:38 ↗ that might not lead to the best

1:22:41 ↗ the outcome we all want

1:22:46 ↗ i think i might add to just

1:22:48 ↗ from the ad hoc group at least on the

1:22:50 ↗ second meeting that i was able to attend

1:22:52 ↗ i had a hard time sort of thinking about

1:22:54 ↗ when we were talking about veterans like

1:22:56 ↗ and pedestrian like what would this look

1:22:58 ↗ like what does this really mean what are

1:23:00 ↗ the sections and i think after we were

1:23:02 ↗ able to sort of look through the very

1:23:04 ↗ rough sketches which i know we wouldn't

1:23:05 ↗ want to do yet in this more public forum

1:23:08 ↗ i was able to sort of wrap my head

1:23:09 ↗ around how you could parse those out

1:23:12 ↗ without feeling like you would be in big

1:23:14 ↗ danger of messing up a master plan right

1:23:16 ↗ like so i think for me it's just really

1:23:19 ↗ like in my mind like thinking okay if i

1:23:21 ↗ take that depot section

1:23:23 ↗ and i take that pedestrian section and i

1:23:25 ↗ take the senior center and think about

1:23:26 ↗ those three components

1:23:28 ↗ like i can understand how we could make

1:23:31 ↗ improvements there that would have

1:23:32 ↗ impact

1:23:33 ↗ but that wouldn't necessarily mess with

1:23:36 ↗ the rest of it so like when

1:23:38 ↗ um you know i was really team tibbetts

1:23:40 ↗ right to be honest with you like when we

1:23:41 ↗ started this process and just with all

1:23:44 ↗ the complexities around tibbetts

1:23:46 ↗ you know i just don't think we can get

1:23:48 ↗ it get the plan done enough to know

1:23:49 ↗ where we would put anything

1:23:51 ↗ um doesn't mean that i don't want us to

1:23:53 ↗ still really work on tibbetts right i

1:23:55 ↗ really think it's you know in desperate

1:23:56 ↗ need of

1:23:58 ↗ um a lot of things but i think

1:24:01 ↗ you know i came around to

1:24:04 ↗ gosh with the time we have and the

1:24:05 ↗ amount of money we have

1:24:08 ↗ you know what could be a feasible piece

1:24:10 ↗ that i don't think we would be shooting

1:24:11 ↗ ourselves in in the foot two years from

1:24:13 ↗ now saying man i wish we didn't put that

1:24:14 ↗ there right like it felt like it was

1:24:16 ↗ contained enough

1:24:18 ↗ um along with and maybe this is a little

1:24:20 ↗ bit too a la carte but then along with

1:24:22 ↗ potentially

1:24:23 ↗ um

1:24:24 ↗ the dog park where the old skate park

1:24:26 ↗ was i think is also a really good

1:24:29 ↗ thing we could do that i don't think

1:24:30 ↗ would mess too much with any further

1:24:33 ↗ planning efforts like that felt pretty

1:24:34 ↗ contained as well

1:24:36 ↗ i appreciate you also mentioning those

1:24:38 ↗ sketches marlene i

1:24:40 ↗ i really appreciate this discussion i

1:24:44 ↗ full transparency i think those are

1:24:46 ↗ something we can quickly share because i

1:24:48 ↗ think they tee up the next work that the

1:24:50 ↗ ad hoc committee is going to do and

1:24:51 ↗ really what we want to bring back in

1:24:54 ↗ september

1:24:55 ↗ that starts to drill down to and i think

1:24:57 ↗ gets to your good point david how can

1:24:59 ↗ this investment also be an accelerator

1:25:02 ↗ how can this investment also push

1:25:04 ↗ recognize it

1:25:06 ↗ it can't be a stand-alone the only

1:25:09 ↗ investment for any of these sites

1:25:11 ↗ each of these sites to become the public

1:25:13 ↗ spaces that i think this community wants

1:25:16 ↗ it's going to take more investment so

1:25:20 ↗ jen i don't know if you have those but i

1:25:22 ↗ i know it was helpful

1:25:25 ↗ these are meant i'm gonna preface them

1:25:27 ↗ these are squint while you look at these

1:25:29 ↗ these are not design elements this is a

1:25:31 ↗ landscape architect this is methune

1:25:34 ↗ professionally saying

1:25:35 ↗ all right what you know what what would

1:25:38 ↗ that corridor and better unifying

1:25:41 ↗ those public spaces to veterans

1:25:44 ↗ and front street start to look like and

1:25:46 ↗ how could you make investments and i

1:25:48 ↗ know they did something similar with

1:25:49 ↗ confluence they also did something

1:25:51 ↗ really simple similar with dog park and

1:25:54 ↗ maybe jen we can show these really just

1:25:56 ↗ quickly

1:25:58 ↗ and i think this really leads to

1:26:02 ↗ previewing or setting up the next set of

1:26:04 ↗ work with the ad hoc

1:26:06 ↗ committee yeah this um

1:26:10 ↗ again as jeff said this is drawn on

1:26:13 ↗ bumwad which

1:26:14 ↗ architect is tissue paper and it's meant

1:26:17 ↗ to be quick drawn and thrown away and

1:26:20 ↗ drawn over time and time again and it's

1:26:22 ↗ a layering process for duties so this is

1:26:25 ↗ just a first

1:26:27 ↗ what if

1:26:28 ↗ um for this space but you know how can

1:26:31 ↗ we really make this add some catenary

1:26:34 ↗ lighting in here add some seating and

1:26:36 ↗ gathering areas

1:26:39 ↗ add some benches and really activate

1:26:42 ↗ this but also

1:26:44 ↗ really tie this core

1:26:47 ↗ to the depot

1:26:48 ↗ through the parking lot and really

1:26:51 ↗ enhance this visual

1:26:54 ↗ that really kind of

1:26:55 ↗ gets broken up right now with the

1:26:57 ↗ natural environment we talked about all

1:27:00 ↗ season stuff what if there was

1:27:02 ↗ a warming circle or

1:27:04 ↗ you know maybe that's a

1:27:06 ↗ water feature instead but something that

1:27:09 ↗ would be

1:27:10 ↗ a gathering space for that um

1:27:14 ↗ there's one more page that goes over

1:27:16 ↗ towards

1:27:17 ↗ depot park and

1:27:19 ↗ kind of the senior center

1:27:21 ↗ how could we this is that

1:27:24 ↗ fire

1:27:25 ↗ area or a warming area

1:27:27 ↗ but how can we improve this edge of the

1:27:30 ↗ depot park but really start making this

1:27:33 ↗ relationship connection

1:27:36 ↗ we'd also talked about how could we

1:27:38 ↗ improve some ada access down into

1:27:42 ↗ the existing play area

1:27:45 ↗ from this edge as well but how could we

1:27:47 ↗ create some

1:27:48 ↗ gathering spaces and some outdoor

1:27:50 ↗ seating and um

1:27:53 ↗ really start because the courtyard for

1:27:55 ↗ the senior center right now is sunken

1:27:57 ↗ and it's very private and if you sit in

1:27:59 ↗ it you can't even see out

1:28:03 ↗ for confluence park real quick uh we

1:28:06 ↗ talked about we really need to stay in

1:28:08 ↗ this focus area this parking up here

1:28:11 ↗ that is a future project just we drew it

1:28:14 ↗ in just so we kind of knew where our

1:28:16 ↗ limits

1:28:17 ↗ that's a future public works project

1:28:20 ↗ that is not funded but it does impact

1:28:22 ↗ the park

1:28:23 ↗ um here's the eckhouse how could we add

1:28:26 ↗ some outdoor space over in there and

1:28:28 ↗ maybe

1:28:29 ↗ enhance some

1:28:31 ↗ play area improvements

1:28:33 ↗ the

1:28:34 ↗ main 12-foot

1:28:35 ↗ trail

1:28:36 ↗ would have the concrete edging and then

1:28:39 ↗ the trail that goes from rainier avenue

1:28:42 ↗ to the bridge

1:28:43 ↗ and the bridge

1:28:45 ↗ over to third

1:28:47 ↗ there's existing path lighting through

1:28:49 ↗ there right now and we'd be extending

1:28:50 ↗ those all the way to rainier in third

1:28:54 ↗ and then as far as the dog park

1:28:56 ↗ um

1:28:57 ↗ kind of

1:28:58 ↗ what's there over by the rainier trail

1:29:00 ↗ but here's the existing parking create a

1:29:03 ↗ shy dog area an open space area

1:29:06 ↗ um

1:29:07 ↗ and we there's existing water and things

1:29:10 ↗ over in there so we'd add some enhanced

1:29:12 ↗ water features

1:29:13 ↗ um

1:29:14 ↗ and gates for the park but just

1:29:17 ↗ so we can start pricing out getting out

1:29:19 ↗ quantitative like what do these start to

1:29:22 ↗ cost so

1:29:25 ↗ um that's kind of where we're just

1:29:27 ↗ thumbnail sketching um at each of these

1:29:30 ↗ parts looking at some of the preferred

1:29:32 ↗ elements

1:29:33 ↗ um

1:29:35 ↗ from there

1:29:36 ↗ so without any

1:29:38 ↗ yeah i guess i would say you know we we

1:29:40 ↗ did do this at tibbetts with a skate

1:29:42 ↗ park right we did like a

1:29:45 ↗ you know um without

1:29:47 ↗ without

1:29:48 ↗ you know

1:29:48 ↗ figuring out our whole new master plan

1:29:51 ↗ we took a piece that was going to be

1:29:53 ↗ that really you know couldn't

1:29:55 ↗ whatever we did there wasn't necessarily

1:29:57 ↗ going to affect the rest of the park

1:29:58 ↗ right and so we do have

1:30:00 ↗ i guess we can

1:30:02 ↗ look at veterans in a similar way

1:30:05 ↗ i guess i would just want to look at

1:30:07 ↗ that

1:30:07 ↗ those improvements um

1:30:11 ↗ you know thinking about would they be

1:30:14 ↗ different if we did a different you know

1:30:16 ↗ like depending on what we did with the

1:30:18 ↗ field would you be doing something

1:30:19 ↗ different in those senior center areas

1:30:22 ↗ and pedestrian park

1:30:25 ↗ so would the field area improvements

1:30:27 ↗ drive what you do elsewhere

1:30:29 ↗ and then also

1:30:31 ↗ if not and if we proceeded would it

1:30:34 ↗ really be a high impact

1:30:37 ↗ you know low effort high impact

1:30:39 ↗ those are my questions and one more

1:30:41 ↗ question too this is like the big

1:30:42 ↗ picture did you guys did we look at all

1:30:44 ↗ at doing the central park

1:30:46 ↗ um i don't remember what pad it is but

1:30:48 ↗ it's like the remaining pad

1:30:50 ↗ that we looked at improving when we

1:30:54 ↗ turfed the new field

1:30:56 ↗ when we took surf and

1:30:57 ↗ did the

1:30:58 ↗ the last improvements and added the big

1:31:01 ↗ turf fields we basically removed the

1:31:04 ↗ community's

1:31:05 ↗ um green space that they use right and

1:31:08 ↗ so the idea was that that green space

1:31:10 ↗ would move across the street

1:31:13 ↗ and it would be in that beautiful view

1:31:15 ↗ area

1:31:16 ↗ and i don't remember kind of what the

1:31:18 ↗ price tag on that project is but that's

1:31:20 ↗ another standalone project that would

1:31:22 ↗ have a huge

1:31:24 ↗ community impact

1:31:25 ↗ yeah pad 4 and issaquah highlands or

1:31:28 ↗ central park were not at least

1:31:30 ↗ considered as we had the conversation

1:31:32 ↗ with uh with the council

1:31:35 ↗ for this community investment strategy

1:31:39 ↗ do we have an idea if that was would be

1:31:41 ↗ within that

1:31:43 ↗ you know like how how much that would

1:31:45 ↗ cost oh boy i

1:31:48 ↗ just given the price of materials given

1:31:50 ↗ the the export needs give

1:31:53 ↗ given the origin story of where that

1:31:54 ↗ soil all came from in that park um yeah

1:31:57 ↗ there's probably a lot of dirt that

1:31:58 ↗ needs to be moved um that pad would be

1:32:01 ↗ much more than four million dollars to

1:32:03 ↗ do it in its entirety

1:32:06 ↗ yeah okay

1:32:09 ↗ that out is another yeah that was

1:32:10 ↗ another project that sort of

1:32:13 ↗ is really going to be a grassy i think a

1:32:15 ↗ grassy area with a view right so not

1:32:18 ↗ we're not talking an enormous amount of

1:32:19 ↗ infrastructure theater or some other

1:32:21 ↗ amenities

1:32:22 ↗ loop trails yep yeah

1:32:28 ↗ brad did you have a comment

1:32:32 ↗ uh yeah actually i kind of like how

1:32:34 ↗ marlene got to it uh with kind of a

1:32:37 ↗ phasing of veterans memorial

1:32:41 ↗ um in in a way of being able to tie in

1:32:44 ↗ those elements

1:32:47 ↗ um

1:32:48 ↗ without necessarily having a final

1:32:50 ↗ master plan

1:32:52 ↗ um

1:32:53 ↗ you know i kind of think that

1:32:55 ↗ one of my suggestions would be at least

1:32:57 ↗ to still move forward with the master

1:32:59 ↗ planning process for veterans memorial

1:33:02 ↗ with maybe an emphasis on those

1:33:06 ↗ elements in terms of depot and

1:33:08 ↗ pedestrian

1:33:10 ↗ to be you know

1:33:12 ↗ not having a final master plan for the

1:33:14 ↗ rest of the ball field and all that but

1:33:16 ↗ at least maybe having that portion of it

1:33:18 ↗ and and consider it a phasing

1:33:21 ↗ opportunity

1:33:22 ↗ with

1:33:23 ↗ i like the sketches that i saw there i

1:33:25 ↗ think that would be a big impact to the

1:33:28 ↗ community right there in the heart of

1:33:30 ↗ old town

1:33:32 ↗ [Music]

1:33:33 ↗ you know if i guess it comes down to

1:33:35 ↗ cost what can we get accomplished with

1:33:37 ↗ those sketches with four million dollars

1:33:40 ↗ but i i think that a lot could be done

1:33:43 ↗ uh with four million dollars in in that

1:33:45 ↗ phasing

1:33:47 ↗ and it also kind of ties in a little bit

1:33:50 ↗ with what david's talking about as an

1:33:52 ↗ accelerator to

1:33:54 ↗ be able to take some of those next phase

1:33:56 ↗ steps with veterans memorial

1:33:59 ↗ uh once the once the master plan was

1:34:02 ↗ actually completed

1:34:04 ↗ which which i understand it takes time

1:34:07 ↗ and we need to do it right and so maybe

1:34:09 ↗ it takes till the end of 2023 or

1:34:12 ↗ something before that can get

1:34:13 ↗ accomplished

1:34:15 ↗ but if you're already get phase one

1:34:17 ↗ done with depot and pedestrian and

1:34:20 ↗ working towards

1:34:22 ↗ getting the master plan done it really

1:34:24 ↗ puts us in a good spot to

1:34:27 ↗ accelerate into getting

1:34:29 ↗ you know the rest of memorial done um

1:34:33 ↗ you know you know the flip side of that

1:34:35 ↗ and from in terms of what danielle was

1:34:37 ↗ talking about in terms of confluence

1:34:41 ↗ i think with the four million you could

1:34:43 ↗ probably get everything done completed

1:34:45 ↗ in phase two

1:34:47 ↗ uh but then it's it's you're done you're

1:34:49 ↗ over with there's no uh there's no

1:34:52 ↗ accelerator

1:34:53 ↗ you know to phase four because that's so

1:34:55 ↗ far away that that's just not uh in our

1:34:58 ↗ lifetime in my lifetime anyway

1:35:00 ↗ uh and so i i'd like if we're going to

1:35:04 ↗ invest four million dollars it makes

1:35:06 ↗ sense to

1:35:08 ↗ low imp you know low effort high impact

1:35:11 ↗ accelerator

1:35:13 ↗ heart of old town

1:35:15 ↗ uh

1:35:16 ↗ you know it's a step

1:35:18 ↗ phase process towards something much

1:35:20 ↗ bigger for veterans memorial i i still i

1:35:23 ↗ guess i

1:35:24 ↗ keep kind of coming back to full loop

1:35:26 ↗ veterans memorial but

1:35:28 ↗ i i like that that it's a phase concept

1:35:32 ↗ and and it sounds like that's how

1:35:33 ↗ marlene was able to get to it as well

1:35:37 ↗ thanks

1:35:40 ↗ it's zach i i'd love to turn this back

1:35:43 ↗ to you as the chair just checking out

1:35:44 ↗ time

1:35:45 ↗ um thank you park board members for the

1:35:48 ↗ the chance to just i think preview those

1:35:50 ↗ sketches we will happily add those to

1:35:53 ↗ the minutes so that

1:35:54 ↗ um anyone watching or you know those

1:35:56 ↗ will be those sketches will be added to

1:35:58 ↗ the the minutes of this meeting

1:36:00 ↗ um

1:36:01 ↗ but i think it tease up nicely and i

1:36:03 ↗ just throw this back to you zach with a

1:36:05 ↗ suggestion of what i'm hearing is

1:36:08 ↗ um we'll continue working with the ad

1:36:11 ↗ hoc group we're going to bring in the

1:36:13 ↗ landscape architect team our consultant

1:36:14 ↗ architect team for a couple meetings and

1:36:16 ↗ we will take those sites those areas

1:36:19 ↗ that it sounds like the park board is in

1:36:21 ↗ agreement with

1:36:22 ↗ and start asking the questions what what

1:36:24 ↗ specifically can four million dollars

1:36:26 ↗ get us

1:36:27 ↗ uh what what do these improvements start

1:36:30 ↗ to more specifically look like uh bring

1:36:32 ↗ that information back on all three of

1:36:34 ↗ those locations uh for the september

1:36:36 ↗ meeting um and really open it up for

1:36:38 ↗ discussion and hopefully be able to

1:36:41 ↗ um to land on some type of

1:36:42 ↗ recommendation at our september meeting

1:36:45 ↗ yeah that

1:36:46 ↗ sounds as though those uh the criteria

1:36:48 ↗ and those three potential sites are kind

1:36:51 ↗ of

1:36:53 ↗ everybody seems to be

1:36:55 ↗ in agreeance with at least

1:36:57 ↗ one of those as being

1:37:00 ↗ the best course of action moving forward

1:37:02 ↗ so i think definitely seems like the

1:37:04 ↗ subcommittee

1:37:05 ↗ is on the right track with that

1:37:09 ↗ so in that scenario are we saying we

1:37:11 ↗ would not be doing any scoping for

1:37:13 ↗ confluence or is that

1:37:15 ↗ like did we want to see what would

1:37:16 ↗ happen with the eck building

1:37:19 ↗ no i am suggesting marlene we do scoping

1:37:21 ↗ with with confluence so that would be

1:37:23 ↗ that would be confluence

1:37:25 ↗ um this con conglomeration of veterans

1:37:29 ↗ um and dog park

1:37:31 ↗ um

1:37:32 ↗ um along the rainier trail got it

1:37:34 ↗ basically everything in that category

1:37:36 ↗ eight that has a green

1:37:38 ↗ next to it are the ones that are going

1:37:40 ↗ into further consideration

1:37:44 ↗ yep that's what we're suggesting

1:37:50 ↗ great well we'll proceed with that i

1:37:52 ↗ just thank you so much for this

1:37:53 ↗ discussion i

1:37:54 ↗ jennifer great work great work with the

1:37:57 ↗ architect team and then

1:38:00 ↗ andrew andrew marlene

1:38:03 ↗ and chris um

1:38:05 ↗ i know time is sensitive but uh you

1:38:07 ↗ adding some extra hours to to do this

1:38:09 ↗ work alongside of us has been uh

1:38:12 ↗ great work appreciate everybody's just

1:38:15 ↗ thoughtful thoughtful energy in this

1:38:17 ↗ thanks

1:38:23 ↗ right uh so

1:38:25 ↗ believe uh hillside was the next agenda

1:38:28 ↗ item

1:38:30 ↗ it is uh looking at time i'm gonna make

1:38:34 ↗ a i guess a suggestion one first i i

1:38:36 ↗ know we wanted to hear public comment

1:38:38 ↗ dave kepler has been patiently waiting

1:38:39 ↗ and uh listening to this discussion so

1:38:42 ↗ maybe after public comment um jennifer

1:38:45 ↗ i'm calling a bit of an audible maybe we

1:38:47 ↗ can do an abbreviated update

1:38:49 ↗ presentation

1:38:50 ↗ uh the intent what you're gonna hear

1:38:52 ↗ tonight is the plan is to come back to

1:38:54 ↗ you in september anyways after

1:38:57 ↗ sort of the public feedback ends august

1:38:59 ↗ 31st so we can reserve i guess the

1:39:02 ↗ bigger conversation uh for september as

1:39:05 ↗ well

1:39:06 ↗ but public comment first

1:39:11 ↗ david i brought you up as a panelist uh

1:39:14 ↗ you should be able to turn on your video

1:39:16 ↗ if you choose or at least your mic

1:39:19 ↗ um and make your public comment thank

1:39:21 ↗ you so much for

1:39:22 ↗ waiting

1:39:24 ↗ good evening

1:39:33 ↗ you're okay we can hear you please say

1:39:35 ↗ something

1:39:39 ↗ oh oh david you're muted now

1:39:42 ↗ you unmute

1:39:45 ↗ i unmuted you again

1:39:46 ↗ david try to say something

1:39:48 ↗ okay you should hear me now

1:39:51 ↗ there you go

1:39:54 ↗ this

1:39:55 ↗ this process has um been pretty amazing

1:39:58 ↗ on the community investment uh

1:40:00 ↗ well done great comments from the park

1:40:03 ↗ board members

1:40:04 ↗ it's um it's exciting i think being a

1:40:06 ↗ downtown resident uh a block and a half

1:40:08 ↗ from

1:40:10 ↗ uh memorial field so uh i'm prejudiced

1:40:13 ↗ but um i think uh you're on the right

1:40:15 ↗ track here

1:40:17 ↗ given the timing and the money um

1:40:21 ↗ i was curious about wetland mitigation i

1:40:24 ↗ assume there's some mitigation involved

1:40:27 ↗ with the hillside park issue

1:40:29 ↗ of wetlands since we're we're comp we're

1:40:34 ↗ there's an impact there on the the

1:40:36 ↗ existing one although most of us don't

1:40:38 ↗ you don't

1:40:39 ↗ realize it's much of a wetland um anyway

1:40:42 ↗ we've had great success on east sunset

1:40:44 ↗ with

1:40:45 ↗ the community working on the the green

1:40:47 ↗ issaquah removing ivy and stuff

1:40:49 ↗ admittedly they weren't working on a

1:40:51 ↗ sensitive piece of land it was not um

1:40:54 ↗ identified as a wetland or steep slope

1:40:57 ↗ or something but

1:40:58 ↗ it seems like i'd like to see some

1:41:00 ↗ mitigation being done and i think we

1:41:03 ↗ have enough good community members that

1:41:05 ↗ would be able to help improve some of

1:41:08 ↗ the wetlands that are in that same area

1:41:11 ↗ some of them are on the steep hillsides

1:41:12 ↗ admittedly but there's some between the

1:41:15 ↗ lower and upper cemetery there's some

1:41:17 ↗ there's definitely wetlands and maybe

1:41:19 ↗ some of the mitigation could be directed

1:41:21 ↗ that way

1:41:22 ↗ um

1:41:24 ↗ also one of the things we've been

1:41:26 ↗ working on trails club is trying to

1:41:27 ↗ connect cougar squawk and tiger mountain

1:41:30 ↗ one of the the links that does that is

1:41:32 ↗ the 1890s actually power line corridor

1:41:37 ↗ that is to this the north of both

1:41:39 ↗ cemeteries

1:41:41 ↗ and is that if we can be kind of

1:41:43 ↗ thinking about

1:41:44 ↗ that is a potential trail and also

1:41:47 ↗ connecting to hillside park without

1:41:49 ↗ impacting

1:41:50 ↗ the cemeteries that would be great if we

1:41:53 ↗ can get over up there and use that same

1:41:56 ↗ corridor to get down to the valley we

1:41:59 ↗ then can connect to cougar and squawk

1:42:01 ↗ and um and the proposed king county

1:42:05 ↗ um link some amish to cedar river trail

1:42:09 ↗ likely is only going to get from lake

1:42:10 ↗ samamish to to squawk mountain but

1:42:14 ↗ it could connect in there in the valley

1:42:16 ↗ and really

1:42:17 ↗ help out the the whole

1:42:19 ↗ more regional type trail system thank

1:42:21 ↗ you very much

1:42:29 ↗ thank you for your comment

1:42:35 ↗ so zach um

1:42:38 ↗ i'm thinking looking at 847 and knowing

1:42:41 ↗ we want to have some directors reports

1:42:42 ↗ as well um

1:42:45 ↗ jan looking at you also do we would you

1:42:48 ↗ like to see the

1:42:50 ↗ maybe the slides with the proposed

1:42:54 ↗ concept that we have out to the

1:42:56 ↗ community right now for public the

1:42:58 ↗ public we've invited them to give us

1:43:00 ↗ their feedback until august 31st

1:43:03 ↗ um we were hoping to just sort of have

1:43:05 ↗ an overview of that

1:43:07 ↗ um get any thoughts or questions you all

1:43:10 ↗ might have as a board

1:43:11 ↗ um and then

1:43:13 ↗ um

1:43:14 ↗ recognize once we get that feedback we'd

1:43:16 ↗ be coming back to you all in september

1:43:19 ↗ with

1:43:20 ↗ sort of our recommendation for um

1:43:23 ↗ whether to proceed this uh proposed

1:43:25 ↗ concept into actual design and

1:43:27 ↗ permitting

1:43:28 ↗ um is uh we're sort of coming to this

1:43:32 ↗ endpoint of the planning process

1:43:35 ↗ um we certainly feel like given the the

1:43:38 ↗ last stage of feedback we heard from the

1:43:40 ↗ community um if you remember we had a

1:43:42 ↗ number of play amenities um and other

1:43:44 ↗ trail improvements um and some questions

1:43:48 ↗ about whether to have a backstop or not

1:43:49 ↗ um at our last go-round of engagement uh

1:43:52 ↗ we got some great feedback from the

1:43:54 ↗ neighborhood that really helped us

1:43:57 ↗ shape this proposed concept

1:43:59 ↗ um

1:44:00 ↗ so

1:44:01 ↗ jen maybe if you want to share the

1:44:03 ↗ screen i'll hand it over to you to just

1:44:05 ↗ to i think cover the

1:44:06 ↗ maybe the concepts um i then can touch

1:44:09 ↗ really briefly on um mr kepler's

1:44:12 ↗ question about how where wetland

1:44:14 ↗ mitigation fits into this

1:44:16 ↗ process because it will definitely need

1:44:19 ↗ to fit into this process but it will

1:44:20 ↗ certainly be

1:44:21 ↗ more addressed during design and

1:44:23 ↗ permitting

1:44:26 ↗ janet's all yours for a quick overview

1:44:29 ↗ okay

1:44:30 ↗ i'm gonna fly

1:44:32 ↗ and i've done this before brad

1:44:34 ↗ you've all seen me but

1:44:36 ↗ real quick for because i know we have

1:44:38 ↗ some new park board members

1:44:40 ↗ that hillside park is a very large park

1:44:43 ↗ we're only looking at a two acre area

1:44:45 ↗ here in the corner for improvements

1:44:47 ↗ for two years we've been working with

1:44:49 ↗ the community here's some of the

1:44:50 ↗ existing site conditions you can see

1:44:53 ↗ there's a wet area it's a beautifully

1:44:55 ↗ wooded area that the community really

1:44:57 ↗ wants to maintain

1:45:00 ↗ we've done our public engagement process

1:45:02 ↗ we've asked them a lot of questions

1:45:04 ↗ we've talked on site with them um

1:45:07 ↗ last summer we spent time with the

1:45:09 ↗ community really one of the main impacts

1:45:12 ↗ of the site is

1:45:15 ↗ we have a wetland in the middle of the

1:45:17 ↗ park and do you want to keep the wetland

1:45:20 ↗ in its buffers or do you want to keep an

1:45:22 ↗ open play area which requires mitigation

1:45:26 ↗ and

1:45:27 ↗ both the community and you as a board

1:45:30 ↗ supported the mitigation route in order

1:45:33 ↗ to keep an open play space

1:45:36 ↗ so with that we then changed our focus

1:45:38 ↗ to okay

1:45:40 ↗ we know that base piece of information

1:45:42 ↗ now

1:45:43 ↗ let's focus on play areas and so through

1:45:46 ↗ may of this year

1:45:48 ↗ and last year we really started focusing

1:45:50 ↗ on the play

1:45:51 ↗ there's four main themes that um are

1:45:54 ↗ shown we've also gone to several of the

1:45:57 ↗ boards

1:45:58 ↗ over time you can go back but just

1:46:01 ↗ here's somewhat of the impact of the

1:46:02 ↗ wetland and its buffer

1:46:04 ↗ within the park

1:46:07 ↗ these are all uh older we've also talked

1:46:10 ↗ about adding some additional trail

1:46:12 ↗ connectivity

1:46:14 ↗ to clean up

1:46:15 ↗ some conflicts of use between

1:46:17 ↗ pedestrians walking through

1:46:20 ↗ the grave sites

1:46:22 ↗ rather than in a designated space

1:46:27 ↗ some of the proposed concepts which are

1:46:29 ↗ truly based upon public feedback

1:46:33 ↗ these were sent to some adjoining

1:46:34 ↗ neighbors as well as the trail

1:46:36 ↗ connection

1:46:37 ↗ some cemetery neighbors received letters

1:46:39 ↗ as well offering

1:46:41 ↗ a sneak peek at the improvements and an

1:46:44 ↗ opportunity to talk with us

1:46:46 ↗ but here's kind of the overall concept

1:46:48 ↗ an accessible route down to a play area

1:46:50 ↗ we're keeping the field

1:46:52 ↗ we'll have to mitigate that

1:46:55 ↗ and a small overlook and trail

1:46:57 ↗ connectivity in here

1:47:00 ↗ here's kind of a perspective view

1:47:02 ↗ knowing keeping a native environment was

1:47:04 ↗ really really important and low

1:47:06 ↗ visibility low impact visibility

1:47:09 ↗ uh we found a little corner that seemed

1:47:12 ↗ to fit well

1:47:14 ↗ in keeping the play area we know this is

1:47:17 ↗ the famed sledding hill um not to be

1:47:20 ↗ touched so the community can enjoy but

1:47:23 ↗ really how can we

1:47:24 ↗ promote a gathering space here

1:47:27 ↗ uh

1:47:28 ↗ people love to play on the big rock here

1:47:30 ↗ but how can we provide some

1:47:34 ↗ low impact play space over there

1:47:37 ↗ here's another view as to what that

1:47:39 ↗ would look like with a slide and the

1:47:41 ↗ swing and some log climbers things that

1:47:43 ↗ really keep in context with

1:47:46 ↗ a wooded environment

1:47:48 ↗ and these are out to the community as

1:47:51 ↗ jeff mentioned

1:47:52 ↗ on a survey right now you can go to the

1:47:54 ↗ hillside park

1:47:55 ↗ website uh to catch the link

1:47:59 ↗ i've also emailed it to many of the

1:48:01 ↗ neighbors on our contact list

1:48:03 ↗ but here's somewhat of a bird's eye view

1:48:05 ↗ of those improvements with the

1:48:07 ↗ accessible trail

1:48:09 ↗ coming in and leading you into the the

1:48:11 ↗ forested area

1:48:14 ↗ as jeff mentioned kind of what's next

1:48:16 ↗ conceptual design we're wrapping up

1:48:19 ↗ kind of the feedback we'll come back to

1:48:20 ↗ you

1:48:22 ↗ for

1:48:23 ↗ your blessing to be able to move forward

1:48:26 ↗ into design and permitting

1:48:28 ↗ and then we get into the nitty-gritty of

1:48:30 ↗ construction documents detailed design

1:48:33 ↗ and permitting and that's really then

1:48:36 ↗ uh once we get all the construction

1:48:38 ↗ documents and the permitting and the

1:48:39 ↗ sepa documents all together which is our

1:48:43 ↗ environmental we start into the

1:48:45 ↗ permitting process and during that time

1:48:47 ↗ we will

1:48:48 ↗ go through all the different regulatory

1:48:50 ↗ agencies that have

1:48:52 ↗ um oversight within mitigating a wetland

1:48:55 ↗ uh where those mitigation efforts might

1:48:57 ↗ take place

1:48:59 ↗ and how

1:49:00 ↗ but that does include

1:49:02 ↗ an environmental neighborhood meeting as

1:49:04 ↗ part of the cities process um so there

1:49:07 ↗ will be a separate time um again to look

1:49:10 ↗ at a full detailed design and its

1:49:12 ↗ impacts on the existing wetland and then

1:49:15 ↗ hopefully

1:49:16 ↗ 2024 will be

1:49:18 ↗ into bid and construction

1:49:22 ↗ that's my two second

1:49:25 ↗ oversight and there's the web link if

1:49:27 ↗ you need it

1:49:30 ↗ so if i can just add real quickly jen

1:49:31 ↗ thank you quick super quick overview um

1:49:35 ↗ you know this began as a rather

1:49:38 ↗ emotional conversation with the

1:49:40 ↗ neighborhood um

1:49:42 ↗ when you do a survey and

1:49:45 ↗ 55 percent of the neighborhood

1:49:48 ↗ respondents um

1:49:50 ↗ want added play features and 45 percent

1:49:53 ↗ don't want any added play features that

1:49:56 ↗ creates a a real

1:49:59 ↗ delicate approach to trying to achieve

1:50:01 ↗ balance

1:50:02 ↗ this proposed concept that's out right

1:50:04 ↗ now is

1:50:06 ↗ the effort that we've made

1:50:08 ↗ i think demonstrates a lot of feedback a

1:50:10 ↗ lot of conversation we've had

1:50:13 ↗ here and feedback we've heard from you

1:50:14 ↗ all as the park board

1:50:16 ↗ we think we're getting really close to

1:50:18 ↗ achieving balance to finding

1:50:20 ↗ a way

1:50:21 ↗ to add

1:50:23 ↗ play to a neighborhood park that is

1:50:25 ↗ beginning to change families are moving

1:50:28 ↗ in and want play uh but also recognizing

1:50:31 ↗ there's a large amount of

1:50:33 ↗ those neighbors that um still want that

1:50:35 ↗ park to feel natural and so this concept

1:50:39 ↗ we think achieves that balance we hope

1:50:41 ↗ it achieves the balance we hope we look

1:50:43 ↗ forward to hearing feedback

1:50:46 ↗ we want to get the concept right before

1:50:48 ↗ we get into design and permitting and so

1:50:50 ↗ that's why we're taking this time to do

1:50:52 ↗ this

1:50:53 ↗ to mr kepler's question about the

1:50:55 ↗ wetland

1:50:56 ↗ and just to reiterate what jen said

1:50:58 ↗ you know

1:50:59 ↗ how that wetland is mitigated

1:51:02 ↗ how how we're able to achieve the field

1:51:05 ↗ function that the neighborhood wants

1:51:07 ↗ that the neighborhood wants a

1:51:08 ↗ functioning field so to have a

1:51:10 ↗ functioning field we're going to fully

1:51:11 ↗ mitigate that wetland

1:51:13 ↗ department of ecology and some of these

1:51:15 ↗ other regulatory agencies have a pretty

1:51:18 ↗ large say in how and where we mitigate

1:51:21 ↗ that so

1:51:23 ↗ we too want those questions answered but

1:51:24 ↗ those questions of of how we're going to

1:51:26 ↗ mitigate utilizing some of our our

1:51:29 ↗ volunteer efforts utilizing some of the

1:51:31 ↗ community efforts to do some of that

1:51:33 ↗ mitigation we'll know

1:51:35 ↗ a lot more as we enter into and go

1:51:37 ↗ through the permitting process for this

1:51:39 ↗ for this effort so

1:51:42 ↗ there's a quick summary of hillside

1:51:44 ↗ we'll we'll come back in september with

1:51:45 ↗ uh with more info

1:51:50 ↗ any questions thoughts comments um

1:51:53 ↗ what any any of you are maybe hearing

1:51:55 ↗ out in the community

1:51:56 ↗ things we should be aware of

1:52:10 ↗ all right um

1:52:12 ↗ so i guess if nobody has any questions

1:52:14 ↗ or comments about hillside i guess we'll

1:52:17 ↗ wrap things up with the chair and

1:52:19 ↗ director's report i don't believe we

1:52:20 ↗ have youth report

1:52:23 ↗ so

1:52:26 ↗ there's going to be a virtual open house

1:52:28 ↗ to review title 18 with a q a with the

1:52:32 ↗ city

1:52:34 ↗ tomorrow from 4 to 6 pm

1:52:37 ↗ also there will be

1:52:39 ↗ on september 9th a issaquah welcomes you

1:52:43 ↗ cultural diversity

1:52:44 ↗ um

1:52:46 ↗ program from

1:52:47 ↗ 5 to 8 pm and

1:52:49 ↗ there's salmon at sunset

1:52:52 ↗ at the salmon hatchery celebrating the

1:52:55 ↗ start of spawning season on september

1:52:58 ↗ 17th from noon to 6.

1:53:02 ↗ so uh jeff

1:53:05 ↗ and speaking of spawning season uh some

1:53:08 ↗ terrific viewing points along essential

1:53:10 ↗ creek please be sure to

1:53:12 ↗ go to the confluence bridge what a what

1:53:14 ↗ a a great place reviewing uh the

1:53:17 ↗ salmon's return back to uh back up the

1:53:19 ↗ creek um it's pretty pretty amazing

1:53:23 ↗ um boy september um

1:53:25 ↗ we you might recall will have our uh

1:53:28 ↗ were anticipated and planned to have our

1:53:31 ↗ our in-person first in-person meeting

1:53:33 ↗ um in september uh those in-person

1:53:36 ↗ meetings will be taking place in what's

1:53:38 ↗ called the steelhead room which is

1:53:41 ↗ the new meeting room right across the

1:53:43 ↗ street from my office near the community

1:53:45 ↗ center

1:53:47 ↗ as details get finalized with the

1:53:48 ↗ clerk's office in the coming weeks we'll

1:53:50 ↗ make sure that you have ample time for

1:53:52 ↗ what that transition means and what that

1:53:54 ↗ looks like

1:53:55 ↗ so certainly more information coming

1:53:57 ↗ there

1:53:59 ↗ another thing i wanted to point out with

1:54:00 ↗ our september meeting is

1:54:03 ↗ the council recently adopted a

1:54:07 ↗ holiday and cultural calendar um

1:54:11 ↗ that um

1:54:12 ↗ is is sort of allowing us as a city to

1:54:15 ↗ be informed as we look at community

1:54:16 ↗ meetings to make sure we are

1:54:18 ↗ sort of honoring cultural holidays

1:54:21 ↗ that many in our our community recognize

1:54:24 ↗ i believe um our scheduled meeting on

1:54:26 ↗ september 26 may have a conflict flipped

1:54:29 ↗ with that so i'll work would be working

1:54:31 ↗ with zach

1:54:32 ↗ i'm here shortly and probably getting a

1:54:34 ↗ doodle poll out to everybody

1:54:36 ↗ we may be needing to

1:54:38 ↗ move that meeting we'd like to keep it

1:54:40 ↗ in that same week it's the week of the

1:54:42 ↗ 26th but we might need to move it to a

1:54:44 ↗ different day stay tuned

1:54:47 ↗ it's been a busy summer for us i'm going

1:54:49 ↗ to be giving an update to the council on

1:54:50 ↗ september 6 of all of our summer

1:54:52 ↗ activities after that presentation i

1:54:55 ↗ will send a copy to all of you so you

1:54:57 ↗ have a chance to see

1:54:59 ↗ just the amazing work this department is

1:55:02 ↗ staffed with some amazing people

1:55:04 ↗ that really really care about this

1:55:06 ↗ community and so it's always fun to to

1:55:08 ↗ share those updates uh to the council

1:55:10 ↗ and to you all and to the community

1:55:13 ↗ um

1:55:15 ↗ there's one more item i was gonna touch

1:55:16 ↗ on oh september just agenda is certainly

1:55:19 ↗ shaping up to be pretty big we'll be

1:55:21 ↗ bringing back the community investment

1:55:22 ↗ strategy thank you ad hoc committee we

1:55:24 ↗ will continue that work with you

1:55:26 ↗ hillside park will be coming back to you

1:55:29 ↗ as well you might recall our colleagues

1:55:31 ↗ in public works have been working on a

1:55:33 ↗ storm water and surface water master

1:55:35 ↗ plan uh we may be trying to squeeze in

1:55:37 ↗ an update uh from them on that effort as

1:55:40 ↗ well

1:55:41 ↗ just because i think it could be quite

1:55:43 ↗ timely with the the planning work that

1:55:45 ↗ they have going on so

1:55:47 ↗ um thank you all for just your

1:55:50 ↗ passion and interest and uh look at that

1:55:52 ↗ it's nine o'clock so i'm done talking

1:55:54 ↗ back to you zach

1:55:56 ↗ all right uh so with that i think we'll

1:55:58 ↗ close out the meeting and uh we'll get

1:56:00 ↗ back to you about the uh

1:56:02 ↗ the time or

1:56:04 ↗ picking out a different date for the

1:56:05 ↗ next meeting

1:56:07 ↗ have a good night everyone

1:56:10 ↗ thanks so much everyone have a great

1:56:11 ↗ night

1:56:14 ↗ thank you

1:56:16 ↗ good night

1:56:17 ↗ have a good night everyone

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Council / Members (10)

Chris Kovac

Marlene Waxse (arrived 7:14pm)

Zach Szablewski

Andrew Eliquen

David Liu

Nicholas Lee (arrived 7:15pm)

Brenda Spears

Danielle Wolfrom Githens

Bradley Book

Andrew Myers

Staff (4)

Jeff Watling, Parks & Community Services Director

Jennifer Fink, Parks Planner & Project Administrator

Monica Negrila, Human Services Manager

David Kappler

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Katie Bell

Tim Motley

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