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Monday, October 25, 2021

7:00 PM · 2h 10m
Topics tracked across meetings:
Review of Rules & Regulations 4/11
Anchor Parks Update 1/2
Title 18 - City Code Update, (I) 2/2
Section
1. CALL TO ORDER
1a
Membership
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2a
Minutes of September 27, 2021
packet pp.5–7
Staff report:
o Fiscal inquiry regarding roll over of funds to 2022
4. REGULAR BUSINESS
4a
Title 18 - City Code Update, (I)
Discussion · 30 min · John Mortenson, PW Transportation Engineering Manager · packet pp.9–41
Topics: Land Use
Staff report:
Get additional input related to updating 1) Landscaping, 2) Trees, and 3) Open Space, Community Space and Green Necklace topics of the land use code. These items were previously discussed with the Planning Policy Commission and Park Board on September 9, 2021. Staff would like to provide another opportunity to the Board members to ask questions and provide additional feedback.
4c
Rules and Regulations update
Director · 15 min · Jeff Watling, Parks and Community Services · packet pp.69–74
Staff report:
Pursuant to the City of Issaquah Ordinance No. 1545, Section 1, we, the members of the City of Issaquah Park Board do hereby adopt, publish and declare the following rules and regulations.
4d
Anchor Parks update, (I)
Discussion · 30 min · Jennifer Fink, Park Planner and Project Administrator · packet pp.75–94
Topics: Parks
Staff report:
J E NNIFE R FINK , PA R K PL A NNE R A ND PROJ ECT A D M INIS TR ATO R History Recap •Parks Strategic Plan outlined Anchor Parks Project o Veterans Memorial Field o Tibbetts Valley Park o Creek Corridor • Project launch with collective outreach • February 24, 2020 Park Board meeting last presentation on Anchor Parks
4e
Dog Park Tour update
Information · 10 min · Jennifer Fink, Park Planner and Project Administrator · packet pp.95–100
Topics: Parks
Staff report:
Pop-Up Dog Park Tour Update OCTOBER 25, 2021 | PARK BOARD
5. REPORTS
5a
Director's Report
5b
Chairperson's Report
5c
Youth Report
0:05 uh good evening everyone welcome to the
0:07 october 25th 2021 park board meeting
0:14 we have a fairly full agenda this
0:17 evening um before
0:19 we get rolling with anything let's do
0:20 roll call i'm going to go around and if
0:23 everyone could
0:24 take yourself off mute if you are and
0:26 just say that you're here when i call
0:29 your name
0:30 um brenda
0:38 jonathan
0:43 uh linda
0:51 linda
0:56 you're here just wave to me linda
1:05 we'll move on danielle
1:10 i'm here thanks uh marlene
1:16 williams wave there's marlene
1:18 jack
1:20 i'm here
1:22 zach
1:25 okay our group is here we've got uh
1:27 reuben's gonna come a little late and uh
1:30 chris and jeremy are excused to happen
1:33 absences this evening
1:36 so thank you for that
1:39 uh next is approval of minutes everybody
1:42 have a chance to really review minutes
1:45 are there any corrections or comments
1:50 not seeing anything
1:53 uh given that are there is there any
1:54 objection to my approval of minutes
1:59 not seeing anything
2:01 so since there are no objections i
2:03 hereby approve minutes from our last
2:05 meeting in september
2:11 okay that moves us on to public comments
2:14 and melissa you mentioned dave kepler
2:16 wanted to make a comment is there
2:18 anybody else that's
2:19 come forward indicating anything um no
2:22 but connie is on the line as well so we
2:25 can ask her if she'd like to make
2:26 comment um after david's done
2:29 okay let's go ahead and start with david
2:33 okay david you're unmuted you can go
2:34 ahead oh great thank you
2:39 uh poor poor jeff got to spend his late
2:41 friday afternoon with me
2:43 on the phone talking about um
2:46 the mountain to sound greenway trail
2:49 and jeff makes a good point there's
2:52 there's going to be a braided trail
2:53 there's going to be a lot of options i
2:55 could come up with i don't know how many
2:57 options starting at the bellevue east
3:00 limits
3:02 the preston railroad grade
3:05 and you could be there's many on the
3:07 north side and there's many on the south
3:09 side of i-90
3:11 and jeff's point and i have to say
3:14 these trails are 90
3:16 for the people that work in the city
3:18 live in the city residents and maybe 10
3:20 percent will be the tourists coming
3:22 through
3:23 so we just we got a lot of plans to deal
3:25 with trails let's stay with those and
3:28 figure this out and not get lost in them
3:30 a naming game of what is the actual
3:32 amount of sound greenway trail through
3:34 the city
3:36 there's just many greenway trails
3:38 through the city
3:41 i i do have some thoughts and i'm
3:43 working with people in public works as
3:46 well as park department on how we
3:49 best and most safely access the the
3:53 former bergsma property there on newport
3:56 and potentially the mountain sound trail
3:58 could be on that section of newport so
4:01 but there will be a significant trail
4:03 there on newport there is now so we'll
4:06 figure this out but
4:08 we got some got a lot of work to do on
4:10 on trails and um not spend all our time
4:13 trying to figure out what's
4:15 which one is going to have some kind of
4:17 official name about the san greenland
4:18 trail
4:19 thank you
4:21 thank you david
4:24 um melissa is connie wanting to make
4:27 comment
4:31 i i raised my hand so i'm assuming that
4:34 means yes
4:35 and we can and we can now hear you so
4:37 you're good to go right i'm not sure why
4:39 i'm not on camera
4:41 i keep
4:42 wondering
4:43 why you have to ask to be on camera can
4:46 i be on camera i think the ho melissa
4:48 needs to open you up for that yeah let
4:51 me argue with the channel let's give me
4:52 one moment there we go there you go
4:56 perfect
4:58 all right
4:59 there you are here i am so um
5:02 well dave kepler may have had a
5:04 conversation with jeff
5:06 about having a braided trail through
5:08 town uh i gotta say that dave and jeff
5:12 does not a community make
5:14 and the mountains of south greenway
5:16 trail is a thing with a specific
5:17 identity
5:19 that actually draws tourism through town
5:22 and brings people to a particular place
5:25 it also gives the city a um
5:30 compelling reason to create a length and
5:33 confident pathway through town
5:36 that is uh signable
5:39 and describable
5:41 and knowable what we have right now is
5:43 we have a series of
5:45 paths that sort of meander through town
5:48 nobody really knows what they are we we
5:50 have an old
5:51 old map we have strange signage and so
5:54 while we do have a lot of trails we
5:56 don't really have a way through town
5:59 that anybody other than dave and
6:01 somebody else
6:04 can do and some of those are even
6:06 sneaking through private property to get
6:08 there
6:09 so i totally and absolutely disagree
6:12 with these two and think that there
6:13 needs to be a public conversation about
6:16 what amounts of sound greenwald trail
6:19 actually does mean
6:20 and whether this braided concept is
6:22 appropriate whether it should go a long
6:25 newport way or whether it should go
6:28 along some place else
6:30 because we are a major component of the
6:33 greenway and they've had a lot to say in
6:34 our town so
6:36 yeah no oh i said that already so let's
6:38 move on to a different topic of
6:41 conversation which is sort of newport
6:44 way and title 18 combined and that is a
6:48 conversation about how green our town is
6:51 and when it is green right now we have a
6:54 town with a substantial amount of mature
6:57 vegetation and one conversation is what
7:01 kind of a canopy do we need to have
7:03 right do we want to actually have a very
7:05 small canopy up in esqua island so
7:07 forevermore it can show bright red in
7:10 the summertime as the heat goes up and
7:12 it is a place where
7:16 uh they're going to roast or do we want
7:18 to try to amend that like our
7:20 comprehensive plan actually says and we
7:22 want to actually add forest to the
7:24 hillsides in issaquah highlands
7:28 uh for me
7:31 here's a couple of questions
7:33 do we actually need
7:37 planting strips if we have mature
7:39 vegetation
7:41 on either side of the road and we're
7:43 going to cut down the mature vegetation
7:44 to put in planting strips do we need
7:47 planting strips or can we keep the
7:49 mature trees and say well you know
7:53 maybe we can just do a bump out curb and
7:56 and make that better because that is
7:58 preserving our existing canopy and not
8:01 waiting 30 to 80 years for it now to
8:05 exist
8:07 uh when you look
8:09 at newport whey it's a fabulous example
8:12 because it has deep digits that flood
8:15 and then you have mature vegetation on
8:18 either side and it adjoins a variety of
8:21 trails
8:22 and you have to also figure out not
8:24 where the road is going to go but how
8:26 people pedestrians and and cars and
8:29 bikes are going to be able to get across
8:32 and use that road safely
8:34 um and effectively right now they can't
8:36 get into tibbetts park off of newport
8:39 way you can't get across the road on
8:41 most of the uh area from say the middle
8:46 school down to
8:49 sunset way there are no legal crossings
8:51 so people dart across at varying strange
8:54 times in order to get across and then if
8:56 you are going to put a potentially wide
8:59 re wide
9:01 trail down that side well where would it
9:03 go and what would it do and what are the
9:05 linkages and then say and how does that
9:09 fit with our green trails
9:12 plan to make it so that we have a
9:16 an identifiable usable trail for us and
9:20 them because most of the community
9:22 doesn't know our trails
9:24 and the region certainly doesn't know
9:27 our trails so now title 18
9:30 i watched your faces at that last
9:32 meeting
9:33 and i understand your pain
9:35 but please speak your hearts as to what
9:40 what you feel
9:41 the
9:42 the
9:43 the greenery and the parkiness of this
9:47 town should be because well title 18
9:50 could say hey you know we're gonna have
9:52 private and we're gonna have public
9:54 unless we have money we won't have
9:55 public it doesn't address on how we're
9:57 gonna get money how are we gonna get
9:59 these things done
10:00 and so we need to have a deep and
10:02 heartfelt discussion about how we're
10:04 going to create a system
10:06 and not just continually have this fight
10:08 against private
10:10 public and how do we try to squeeze
10:12 money out of each other
10:14 okay thank you very much
10:17 thank you connie
10:18 i don't know that jeff made any final
10:20 determination on uh mountain to sound
10:22 greenway at one time
10:24 yeah i didn't say he did i just said he
10:26 and dave do not get to make that
10:28 decision well i have any yapping to do
10:30 okay thank you connie
10:34 so we're now on to our regular business
10:37 for this evening we actually have five
10:39 items so it's a pretty packed house i'm
10:42 gonna try and be a bit of a task manager
10:44 here to try and keep everybody
10:46 within our time zone so we can get out
10:48 of here by nine tonight
10:50 so we have five items tonight we're
10:52 going to have an update on title 18
10:55 we're going to have a presentation on
10:59 newport way
11:01 and we're going to be talking about
11:02 rules and regulations
11:04 a brief update on anchor parks and a
11:07 brief update on the dog parks or dog
11:11 park i should say
11:13 so that being the case i'm going to
11:14 start out introducing jeff who is going
11:16 to kind of give a little bit of a
11:19 overview and then bring in
11:22 minnie to talk about our first topic go
11:24 ahead jeff
11:26 it's great thanks brad good evening
11:27 everybody um
11:29 yeah thank you to our two public
11:30 speakers too i'm not in between those
11:32 two but i uh maybe under director's
11:34 report i'll i'll give some some added
11:36 context and some of my thoughts there
11:38 but first let's talk uh development code
11:41 last month last september
11:44 9th i believe it was
11:46 you all had a joint meeting with the
11:47 planning policy committee
11:50 at our park board meeting we talked
11:53 about having some follow-up thank you
11:54 minnie dollywall director of community
11:57 planning and development is with us
12:00 i'm going to take a a second here and
12:03 try and frame up uh the conversation and
12:06 really hope that this is much more of a
12:08 facilitated discussion for all of you to
12:10 share your thoughts and questions that
12:13 you might have um
12:16 city code development code can get
12:18 really wonky and really deep really fast
12:21 and so i thought i'd just take three
12:23 minutes here and and try and tee up this
12:25 conversation
12:27 many did a great job providing you all a
12:29 memo but i want to i want to frame this
12:31 conversation
12:33 from a parks perspective to code as
12:35 opposed to trying to think we're going
12:38 know code and go from code to parks
12:42 when we think about a community
12:45 wanting to
12:46 have build sustain a viable
12:50 vibrant park system parks open space
12:54 trail system
12:57 in order to do that there really are
12:59 three key tools
13:02 that a community has at their disposal
13:04 to make that happen
13:06 and i just i want to talk really lightly
13:08 about all three of these tools and how
13:10 they really have to complement one
13:12 another
13:13 as we as we go into this conversation so
13:16 issaquah for example a park strategic
13:18 plan does not create a park system it
13:21 doesn't we don't set it on the ground
13:22 and push a button and voila it happens
13:26 right it's really just meant as a vision
13:29 for that vision to happen you all as
13:31 residents and as a community have really
13:34 three tools to use that first tool is
13:38 a capital investment
13:40 how do you all decide to through your
13:43 work with the city council through a
13:45 six-year capital improvement plan a
13:46 number of things we've talked about but
13:48 how do you want to invest in your
13:51 infrastructure
13:52 related to parks open space and trails
13:54 how do you want to buy land how do you
13:56 want to develop those parks how do you
13:57 want to reinvest into them
13:59 so capital is tool number one
14:01 the second tool and really really
14:03 important tool is operational resources
14:06 so you can't you know a community can go
14:08 around just building stuff but if you
14:10 don't
14:11 sort of prioritize operationally to take
14:14 care of it
14:15 to offer some programs and services what
14:18 what what do you want to be doing on an
14:20 annual basis to
14:22 nurture that system to program that
14:24 system
14:26 what recreation facilities might you
14:27 want to have
14:30 within this system
14:31 is the second
14:32 sort of tool
14:34 in your tool belt and then the third
14:36 tool
14:36 is city code
14:38 how do you through
14:40 development code
14:42 want to
14:43 sort of identify the ground rules the
14:45 regulations for
14:47 whether it's private development
14:49 or even public development but as as
14:52 folks are applying to the planning and
14:55 permitting as they're proposing to do
14:57 development on parcels within the city
15:01 what do you want that code to speak to
15:03 and support
15:05 your park system so
15:08 not one of those tools can do it all by
15:10 itself
15:11 and so i just i want to sort of
15:13 introduce that thought because i know
15:15 through the the
15:16 at least the years i've been here i've
15:18 i've so enjoyed our conversations as not
15:20 only we've worked with the community and
15:22 creating a park strategic plan but
15:25 you know the six year cip is something
15:27 we've talked about as a group right so
15:29 these three tools show themselves in
15:32 our conversations and it's true not only
15:34 for issaquah but really any community
15:37 to to create the public infrastructure
15:39 that you want to support a livable
15:41 community
15:42 how do you invest in capital
15:44 how do you prioritize your operational
15:46 resources
15:48 and how does city code
15:51 support development
15:54 with that in mind um
15:56 uh within the memo i i'm gonna i guess
15:58 just open up with the first question
16:00 that that mini
16:02 shared to you and
16:04 that really is when you think of the
16:05 park strategic plan
16:07 when you think of the vision of that
16:08 plan how can
16:11 code how can
16:13 the city's development code
16:15 help
16:17 to bring that
16:19 to bring that plan to reality
16:33 is that a question
16:35 you're looking for response here jeff or
16:36 was that just a comment
16:39 that that was that was a question sorry
16:41 for the pregnant pause so
16:45 could you give us an
16:48 example an example of
16:54 sort of i think i'm understanding the
16:55 question is how does the code
17:01 work with the parks i guess i'm
17:02 misunderstanding the question
17:03 potentially
17:04 okay
17:06 so so in order to accomplish the park
17:08 system that you want as a as a community
17:12 right
17:13 how could can
17:16 how can the city code play a role in
17:19 um helping that happen and and maybe if
17:22 if that's not a clear enough question
17:24 i'm gonna i'm gonna
17:26 kindly hand the ball off to minnie and
17:28 see if she can help um
17:33 sure uh thanks jeff i think it'll help
17:36 if i show you a couple of real world
17:38 examples on the ground we took some of
17:40 the other boards on
17:42 on a tour and um you know i think we
17:45 want we you know it really ties in with
17:47 some of the earlier conversations you
17:48 were having so
17:50 uh melissa can you make me a present uh
17:52 where i can share my screen if possible
17:55 i just want to show a couple of pictures
17:56 that might kind of spur some of the
17:58 conversation around this topic yeah you
18:00 should have permissions now many
18:03 okay
18:05 see
18:11 can you all see my screen yes
18:15 okay so you know you all were talking
18:17 about newport um and and the connections
18:21 across the str um across the city
18:24 the green necklace concept that was uh
18:26 vetted out through the um
18:28 park strategic plan so how does it get
18:31 implemented on the ground on a piece by
18:34 piecemeal basis when development occurs
18:37 that's where title 18 or land use code
18:39 comes into play so you see this path in
18:41 front of this this is riva town homes up
18:44 on uh newport way
18:45 so because this was identified in uh
18:48 through our through your work through
18:49 the community's work as a cross
18:51 connection
18:52 we were able to get this developer to to
18:56 provide this connection a trail
18:58 connection that has buffer you know
19:01 plantings from uh the street we are
19:04 going to have conversations about how
19:06 wide the strip needs to be for these
19:08 trees to be effective and and and good
19:10 in the long haul but beyond that um
19:13 uh really having a a shared use path
19:16 for people that want to walk bike
19:20 and use this as a trail connection so
19:23 another photo for what it looked like
19:25 before the development occurred you know
19:28 was uh this road but really not a curb
19:31 and a connection so
19:33 what the code can do is if we have the
19:35 vision we can translate that vision into
19:38 what gets built on the ground so that
19:40 they you know they they don't shortcut
19:42 this path they don't put the building up
19:44 front so we have a minimum setback for
19:46 the building but also incorporate that
19:48 that
19:49 uh cross connection
19:51 so this is a site plan that kind of
19:54 shows where the buildings are um are
19:56 situated there's a wetland in the back
20:00 but this is the the
20:02 identified path that this development
20:05 could uh provide
20:07 another example um
20:10 is uh this atlas
20:12 project they built apartments uh the
20:15 code required them to have a cross
20:17 connection uh between this these
20:19 buildings a public cross connection and
20:22 a park
20:23 but what happens uh in reality on the
20:26 ground let me see if i can
20:29 um show this so this is where you see
20:32 this cross connection this is the
20:34 sidewalk and when you come in this is a
20:37 public path but for like um some of the
20:40 comments that were made earlier even
20:42 though there's a signage there's a teeny
20:44 little sign here that says it's a public
20:47 path it
20:48 you know general public may not find
20:51 may not know that this is actually a
20:53 path that leads to a park behind so the
20:56 design of those cross connections and
20:58 the way finding at a city-wide level is
21:01 going to be important of how we get some
21:03 of these uh things implemented but
21:06 um and then i think uh the issue while
21:09 we took uh the boards and commissions on
21:10 a tour we stood here and looked across
21:14 uh from this path and said well that's
21:17 private and this is public so how do we
21:20 know that how does the general public
21:22 that may be walking in know that this
21:25 you this is you can go here but the rest
21:27 of it is private property
21:29 um so which then brings us to um the um
21:35 park strategic the green necklace you
21:38 know the the threading uh and then the
21:40 the pearls
21:42 uh we were you know having a
21:43 conversation with jeff earlier about
21:46 as development occurs at piece by piece
21:49 meal you know there'll be one
21:50 development that goes here and here and
21:52 however the infill occurs
21:54 we can through this code ask for
21:57 those kind of cross connections so this
22:00 identified some of the projects which is
22:02 really helpful from all the work that
22:03 was done so we don't miss those
22:05 opportunities however
22:08 many if you've changed your visual i
22:09 think we're still seeing the um
22:12 oh still seeing the atlas
22:14 visual
22:16 so let me yeah i think i shared the um
22:21 the application i need to go to google
22:23 chrome how about now
22:26 yep
22:27 okay perfect thank you
22:30 so in this map i think the the numbers
22:33 are identified majority of these are
22:35 cross connections that we can
22:38 try and uh write the code to say when
22:40 development occurs at least along the
22:42 frontage or even cross connections that
22:44 we don't lose that opportunity to
22:46 maintain those connections
22:48 however some of these larger green areas
22:50 you know identifying a park here and a
22:52 park here and what that would mean
22:55 those like jeff was talking about will
22:58 require cities investment in capital
23:00 improvements plan through
23:03 and then also then operations of those
23:05 larger facilities um each development
23:09 that um comes in
23:11 um is subject to you know uh parks
23:13 impact fees so those can be used to fund
23:16 some of these uh opera you know
23:18 actual capital improvements
23:20 but that's a portion of the cost these
23:23 things as you all know cost a lot of
23:25 money to purchase land to build these
23:27 parks and then to maintain them over the
23:29 long haul
23:30 so i think our job
23:32 all those three
23:33 two legged stool items that we discussed
23:36 are really important uh
23:38 we're um are in community planning and
23:41 development we're focused on right now
23:44 of updating our codes so they complement
23:46 those other two things they don't
23:48 they remove the barriers for
23:51 being able to get this vision that the
23:53 city and the community desires
23:56 and we need your help to to kind of say
23:58 this is really important make sure you
24:00 get this
24:01 written in the code that this vision is
24:03 not you know lost
24:05 or um or whatever your feedback is in
24:08 terms of
24:10 how from your perspective i think most
24:12 of you probably had your fingerprints
24:14 prints on the spark strategic plan or
24:16 participated in some way or shape or
24:17 form
24:19 so it's important to you and to the
24:21 community and we want to make sure that
24:22 the code one complements it
24:26 makes sure that this vision is you know
24:29 is achievable it's not going to happen
24:31 just by updating the code but we don't
24:33 want to lose that opportunity so that's
24:35 what we're looking for from your lived
24:37 experience
24:38 of these projects that have been
24:40 identified in the green necklace and
24:41 then overall in this larger city which
24:43 is also i can share that page if that's
24:46 important that identifies other green
24:47 spaces
24:50 some of the things for
24:51 that project we would you know were
24:54 looking at was perhaps if there is
24:56 redevelopment we want to take into
24:59 account if you can walk to a park within
25:01 10 minutes
25:03 um then your on-site parking space that
25:06 you might want to provide is is a little
25:08 bit less then if you have no park nearby
25:12 and you're building these apartments
25:14 you need to provide a little bit larger
25:16 on-site uh space
25:19 so those are some of the ideas that
25:21 we're um you know thinking about but we
25:24 we're interested in hearing if you have
25:26 thoughts
25:27 um on
25:29 how best to implement what are portions
25:31 of the park strategic plan that we
25:33 really need to key in and and pay
25:35 attention to
25:37 and then we'll move on to the second
25:38 question um but if we can get your
25:41 thoughts and feedback um
25:43 on on a little bit higher level
25:45 for park strategic plan and how you see
25:48 title 18 implementing it
25:53 raise your hand if you want to be called
25:55 upon to make a comment i have a couple
25:58 but i always like to wait till everybody
26:00 else talks first
26:06 reuben
26:12 i can't hear you reuben
26:18 can you hear me now yep go ahead
26:21 yeah i actually need a refresh on park
26:23 impact fees and highlight works and can
26:26 they be
26:27 made smaller larger does the money have
26:29 to apply to a certain location or can a
26:31 developer provide impact fees that we
26:34 can use at our discretion in the parks
26:36 department
26:39 jeff you wanted to take that one
26:42 i'll i'll i'll take a first shot at it
26:44 and then and let let minnie uh
26:46 add to it uh so reuben yeah great
26:49 question so
26:50 um the city does have park impact fees
26:54 as part of a developer's application
26:57 they are required to
26:59 pay that park impact fee
27:01 the park impact fee is not
27:04 project or area specific
27:07 it's it's something system-wide that the
27:09 city can choose to to make an investment
27:12 the way park impact fees are identified
27:16 the project has to fund something
27:19 identified in the park in the six-year
27:21 cip uh that was part of the calculation
27:24 and it has to add capacity
27:26 to the system
27:28 so um those are some of the the key
27:31 requirements of a park impact fee
27:33 investment so it's a critical revenue
27:35 source for
27:36 how a city
27:39 builds and grows its system uh but it it
27:42 also because it's it's really only able
27:45 to address capacity
27:47 it's often often needs to be supported
27:49 with additional
27:51 additional capital revenue as well
27:55 is that an answer go ahead reuben yeah
27:57 so i'm just wondering um so that kind of
27:59 a fee could not be used say to repair
28:01 the swimming pool if it needed repairing
28:03 or buy some kind of a new filter tray
28:06 filter system for the
28:07 not unless it was adding capacity so a
28:10 good example we you know we we redid the
28:13 synthetic turf at central park pad three
28:16 this this spring right in that
28:19 reinvestment we didn't add any
28:21 additional capacity it was like for like
28:23 so we couldn't use park impact fees for
28:25 that
28:26 for that project uh that's why we used
28:30 um if you know we've now been
28:32 taking a portion of uh fees from from
28:35 those uh field use that helped pay for a
28:38 portion of it as well as some other
28:39 capital uh revenues so it has to add
28:42 capacity i have one last question okay
28:45 go ahead the issue of adding capacity is
28:47 that something we determined or could
28:49 that be changed slightly
28:53 i don't know what what you mean by we
28:55 you're saying um
28:57 the term capacity is in this
28:59 in the park maintenance of the issue but
29:02 if somebody rewrote the parking factory
29:04 to include
29:06 expansion operations
29:07 is that feasible or is there is there a
29:09 mandate that says we can't use it for
29:11 more than that
29:14 the city identifies what
29:16 projects are adding capacity and what
29:19 um sort of proportion the project is
29:22 adding capacity versus
29:24 addressing um
29:27 you know just life cycle
29:28 life cycle needs
29:32 hey thank you
29:33 and i just saw
29:35 ourselves
29:36 go ahead jimmy cw
29:38 revise code of washington actually
29:40 dictates how impact fees can be used so
29:44 they're the ones that dictate the
29:46 capacity versus maintenance so we're
29:49 under state code for that
29:52 uh danielle go ahead
29:57 so i don't know if this is
29:59 applicable to this conversation or not
30:00 but um
30:02 one of
30:04 i guess my frustrations from living in
30:07 one of our master communities
30:10 in issaquah is
30:12 with respect to those
30:14 the developer being able
30:16 to not develop
30:18 the parks in the neighborhood but rather
30:20 pay a park impact or pay
30:23 i guess to um saying and get out of that
30:26 and
30:27 well i understand that that works well
30:29 for the city on a whole
30:31 um because it enables us to build parks
30:35 um where and build capacity elsewhere on
30:38 a granular
30:40 neighborhood level it's not beneficial
30:43 and so um
30:45 you know and it's much more difficult to
30:47 go in and kind of backfill those parks
30:49 later so that's what happened in telus
30:51 we have a few like very small
30:54 neighborhood parks that the
30:56 developer put in um not a lot of usable
30:59 space you know and they're kind of like
31:01 the pieces of land that probably
31:03 couldn't be developed
31:05 in some cases and then we as a city had
31:08 to go back in and and put a neighborhood
31:10 park in later um so i don't know if
31:12 that's the kind of thing that can be
31:14 addressed
31:16 and what your
31:17 menu and what you're talking about um
31:20 but i would love to see it
31:22 so that
31:24 if there's a requirement for a park
31:26 that there be requirements for
31:28 neighborhood parks and that that's
31:29 something that
31:30 the developer
31:32 actually has to do
31:35 that's a great point
31:37 yeah and i think it's very spot-on to
31:39 this in terms of how does development
31:42 code both
31:44 maybe require some on-site recreation
31:46 requirements for future residents living
31:48 there but also recognizes
31:50 um a park impact fee as well
31:56 and i think that on some level
31:58 you know there may be cases where it's
32:00 totally appropriate to not have um
32:03 you know to not build that neighborhood
32:05 park um but
32:08 in in our neighborhood
32:10 there's a lot of people who live here
32:11 and it would be
32:13 you know it could have been a much
32:17 much more kind of um
32:20 like a much better neighborhoodly
32:22 environment for um for families and
32:25 there's so much that happens in in parks
32:27 right you get people like hanging out
32:29 together and talking and meeting with
32:30 people and and whatnot and when we allow
32:33 a developer to not to just push that
32:35 responsibility elsewhere and you push
32:37 those parks like the the parts that got
32:39 funded with talus money primarily was is
32:42 squawk um view park
32:44 like on issaquah hope
32:46 isaqah hobart road
32:48 um i think i got that right and um you
32:50 know so that's not a park that benefited
32:52 talos neighbors and community
32:56 um the other thing i want to point out
32:58 was is um
33:00 so much of our
33:01 our
33:03 talking recently on our park board has
33:05 been about connections and trails and
33:08 like walkability and that's something
33:10 else that i see in my neighborhood and
33:12 tell us that there are places where
33:16 and i don't know why this was allowed
33:17 but where where there
33:20 you know a sidewalk comes off the street
33:22 and then it it dead ends
33:24 and the sidewalk gets picked back up but
33:26 on the other side of the street but in
33:28 the meantime it's a street that's just
33:30 you know like whining through a
33:32 neighborhood
33:33 and so it's completely not safe for like
33:35 young kids or really anyone but you're
33:38 forced to cross the street and kind of
33:40 meander through
33:41 and um so i would really like to make
33:43 sure that we can't that that's not you
33:46 know something that a developer you know
33:48 can do just to maximize their
33:50 their developable space
33:54 thank you danielle
33:55 okay yep
33:57 uh marlene you had a comment
33:59 yeah i think i'm adding on to danielle's
34:01 because i was going to talk about the
34:02 sidewalk thing as well because i find
34:04 that very frustrating as well it sounds
34:06 like we have it in multiple places
34:08 um wherever we have new development
34:09 where we just start and stop sidewalks
34:11 we've got little kids
34:13 they either can't be out you know meet
34:15 you know mid-sized kids can't be out on
34:16 their own because there's too much
34:17 traffic or
34:19 you know can't walk safely to a friend's
34:20 house and they should be old enough to
34:22 do so so i think that
34:24 would be one that i think is definitely
34:25 code i think the other thing that i
34:26 would think about as we're talking about
34:28 um the parks i agree that they should we
34:31 should try to figure out a way that they
34:32 have to fund
34:33 parks within walking distance from where
34:36 these developments are and that there's
34:37 some sort of
34:39 and maybe this already exists so i'm
34:41 obviously not a code expert but um
34:44 like for the amount of high density like
34:46 based on the population that's going in
34:48 how much park space is needed
34:50 but i think like we get these little
34:53 teeny tiny parks in these little places
34:55 and i'm like who's
34:57 like what's the point so i guess you
34:59 know a lot of these neighborhoods are
35:00 being built without big yards or the
35:02 houses are just getting built right on
35:04 or their apartment complexes of
35:05 high-density housing that i know we're
35:07 planning on so i think it's important
35:09 for me to understand like based on the
35:11 density how much space how much park
35:13 space should they really be putting in
35:14 these locations
35:19 thank you marlene good comments uh zach
35:21 you had something
35:24 yes there's a development that i found
35:27 myself kind of walking through uh i
35:30 don't know several months ago i think
35:31 it's the anthology
35:34 complex there near i-90 and i did kind
35:37 of enjoy uh that it seemed like they
35:39 mitigated somewhat on-site it appears
35:41 that they restored like um
35:44 like a wetland on sort of the north west
35:47 side of that complex and added in like a
35:49 nice boardwalk but once again there
35:51 wasn't necessarily a lot of
35:54 signage in terms of like conductivity to
35:56 other places but it seemed as though
35:59 [Music]
36:00 i mean that particular complex uh you
36:03 know i
36:04 find myself kind of walking through
36:06 randomly uh places and that was just one
36:09 that i found that it seemed like they
36:11 did a pretty pretty decent job of
36:13 you know restoring some lands mitigating
36:16 somewhat on-site
36:18 some things that they maybe could have
36:20 could have done better but i'm not sure
36:22 exactly what sort of
36:25 what was in place for that particular
36:27 development but it seems as though they
36:28 did a pretty decent job of of adding to
36:31 some things on on-site
36:34 um relatively new development and and
36:37 nizikwa
36:41 yeah you know my understanding is um yes
36:43 uh they they did provide some
36:46 connections uh boardwalk and and others
36:49 like that one of the things we are
36:51 looking at in the code is you know most
36:53 developers will try and put those kind
36:55 of cross connections on an undevelopable
36:58 law you know area of their property so
37:01 either it's wetlands or
37:02 something that they can't use for their
37:05 benefit uh that's usually where some of
37:07 these connections end up so we want to
37:09 beef up a little bit so that they you
37:11 know we're there's the other part
37:13 portion of the code that talks about uh
37:15 preserving critical areas you know
37:17 wetlands streams and things like that so
37:19 we want to make sure that these
37:21 connections um
37:23 are provided but they're not uh an
37:25 afterthought or um yeah
37:28 some additional comments looks like
37:32 uh danielle you had something
37:34 well i just just to build on that i mean
37:35 it really does
37:38 if if you look at the um
37:40 the amount of
37:41 parkland i i'll just use the towels as
37:44 like as an example you know there are in
37:47 in some neighborhoods or small little
37:49 pocket parks right and those are
37:51 definitely like some of them are
37:52 definitely pieces that would not have
37:53 otherwise be built on and maybe if you
37:56 add them all up in the aggregate like
37:57 they would be like a decent you know
37:59 like some sort of like decent sized
38:01 neighborhood park but when they're
38:03 broken up like that they're not and so
38:05 it really is frustrating to have um
38:10 to be in a position when where
38:13 we might be requiring a certain amount
38:15 of park space but we're really not
38:17 getting the benefit of what we really
38:19 should you know we're not getting an
38:21 actual benefit um as a community
38:24 so that's
38:25 i think very similar to those kind of
38:26 crossings um and i don't know how it is
38:30 that
38:30 you to make sure that that doesn't
38:32 happen but um if it wouldn't be good
38:35 enough for a city park like it shouldn't
38:36 be it shouldn't count
38:39 you know like we shouldn't give the
38:40 developer credit for that
38:44 yeah and different scales of parks right
38:46 you you still need a little
38:48 uh something really close by if you have
38:50 little kids so they can go on a slide
38:53 you know right outside your doorway you
38:54 can watch them you may need a little bit
38:56 more active park for a little older uh
38:59 people you may need a dog park uh to
39:02 take your pets out so i think wide
39:04 variety of users uh need to you know the
39:07 accommodation and design of those um
39:10 but but it the challenge
39:12 happens when development occurs on a
39:15 piece-by-piece basis that's why these
39:17 long-range plans the park strategic plan
39:19 looks at at a much higher level and
39:21 scale and identifies those parks so in
39:24 the park strategic plan on your page 48
39:26 it kind of identifies all these green
39:28 spaces that are there and different
39:30 qualities of green spaces so you know
39:32 you may want a trail that's uh steep for
39:35 your uh
39:36 you know more active spaces or more um
39:41 but getting these um a mixture of these
39:44 spaces
39:45 uh when development occurs on a parcel
39:48 by parcel basis is sort of the challenge
39:51 um and and you can't really ask one
39:54 developer to build a whole park
39:56 so that's why this concept of park
39:58 impact fee comes in because you you know
40:01 there's the the legal ramifications of
40:03 you can
40:04 have your impacts can be larger than
40:07 what they would spend on the on the
40:08 project so getting a five-acre
40:12 park from one development is usually not
40:15 legally feasible so therefore the park
40:18 impact fees that should that pay into a
40:21 fund that then the city
40:23 you know looks at those larger parks
40:27 i agree with that but would say that i
40:29 don't think our i think that we haven't
40:32 done a great job with our big
40:33 developments either
40:35 so i don't think the issue is just the
40:37 the smaller you know smaller
40:39 developments i i totally agree like park
40:41 impact fees and doing
40:44 you know makes a lot a lot of sense for
40:46 those um
40:50 the other really good points really good
40:52 points everyone yeah
40:54 i guess the thing that i would you know
40:56 i also would add that
40:58 connections it's already talked about
41:00 huge importance you know
41:02 i think in order to comply with the
41:04 strategic plan one big element is really
41:07 the corridors the north-south corridor
41:10 and the east-west corridors
41:12 and and
41:13 because those essentially are what fuels
41:15 the connections throughout the city
41:20 you know additional things i guess would
41:22 be um
41:24 some consistency uh you know that's why
41:27 planning now makes is real important so
41:29 that
41:30 it doesn't look
41:33 you know too much different as you go
41:35 throughout the city that there's
41:36 consistency in in whatever we come up
41:39 with in terms of landscape elements tree
41:41 elements
41:43 the landscape elements are important for
41:45 sure
41:46 and really need to tie that down so that
41:48 we're dealing with
41:50 proper plantings so that things don't
41:52 have to get
41:53 changed 10 years from now so that you
41:56 know all of that has to be in code
41:59 now so that proper plantings are put in
42:02 place and
42:03 are there irrigation systems or not
42:06 you know because irrigation is going to
42:07 have a lot to do with what kind of
42:09 plantings you put in
42:11 native plants may not survive
42:14 if it's not in a forest setting
42:17 uh unless it actually has
42:19 some irrigation so i mean i i think
42:21 those are important components to
42:23 consider
42:25 when you're doing these um
42:28 buffer areas
42:29 you know to just not stick something in
42:32 because it's a native plant because it
42:33 may not live if it doesn't have the
42:35 proper conditions
42:39 any other comments
42:42 danielle you got something yeah just
42:43 unrelated to my prior comments um
42:46 i know
42:49 um connie's mentioned a couple times to
42:51 us about uh
42:53 i think about um like the trees along
42:55 newport way on tibbetts exhibits park
42:58 and we have that stunning they're
42:59 especially stunning right now right like
43:01 there's a beautiful
43:03 well-established um line of trees and
43:08 i do think that there we should do
43:10 something to um
43:13 to make sure that if we were to remove
43:15 that string of trees it would be for
43:19 like a really good reason so and i don't
43:21 know what that reason would be
43:22 but i wouldn't want us to have
43:28 a land use code that requires us to say
43:31 like well if we're going to redevelop
43:32 that road or redo that road and we like
43:35 add we need to
43:36 you know to add a planting strip and
43:39 then get rid of and then that requires
43:41 us to basically get rid of those trees
43:43 or to add a sidewalk or or whatnot um i
43:46 just think that we need to be there are
43:48 certain places in our city where we need
43:50 to be thoughtful
43:52 um and i would hate to have us
43:54 um lose like a real real element um
43:57 [Music]
44:00 just so that we can
44:04 you know
44:05 you know check something off the box
44:06 that we you know have this like standard
44:09 way that we want every everywhere else
44:11 in our city to look
44:12 so i don't know how you do that or if
44:14 it's possible to do that but
44:17 i do think that there are certain places
44:18 that we need to be careful about and
44:20 tibbetts is one of them because it's
44:21 going to be redeveloped and you know it
44:24 might be that
44:26 having a sidewalk
44:28 along
44:29 newport way is not going to be what
44:32 the
44:33 you know what we want it might be that
44:34 we want like a a multi-use path that
44:37 kind of goes on the other side of those
44:38 trees i don't know you know like but we
44:40 have we're going to be looking at that
44:43 and so i would hate to have something
44:47 you know um
44:49 i just i just think we we you can't you
44:51 can't like go back and fix that quickly
44:54 you know if you take them out
44:56 sure sure and it takes years for the new
44:59 new trees to kind of get to that
45:00 maturity um yeah you know one of the
45:03 things that i saw many in your write-up
45:05 that was a little bit concerning to me i
45:08 kind of want to follow up with something
45:10 dave kepler mentioned a meeting or two
45:12 ago that
45:13 canopy is also about quality and not
45:16 just amount and one of the things that i
45:19 saw on your write-up that was disturbing
45:21 to me is that
45:22 an eight-inch diameter alder tree would
45:25 be classified as the same as a 20-inch
45:28 diameter red wood cedar
45:31 totally different quality of of trees
45:35 there
45:36 and we're at red alder the life
45:39 expectancy isn't necessarily that long
45:41 whereas the western red is so i mean
45:43 those things really have to be factored
45:45 in and i would i would not say that
45:48 those two types of trees should be
45:50 considered equal
45:52 and apparently the code says they are
45:54 and so
45:56 to me that needs to be
45:58 revised somehow i i don't know how you
46:00 know a deciduous tree versus a conifer
46:03 tree for instance another big difference
46:05 and to classify them together i think is
46:10 something that needs to be worked on
46:12 to to establish a better quality of the
46:15 canopy especially
46:17 and i think indirectly
46:19 what she was not re stating that as a
46:22 recommendation it was a right
46:24 observation of yeah how do we address
46:27 that yeah yeah so it's a that's how the
46:30 current code is so we're trying to fix
46:31 it and the proposed approach is you know
46:34 right now you say if you meet your
46:36 minimum density you get off two trees
46:39 per 5 000 square feet so if you own a 5
46:41 000 square foot lot and you have two
46:44 trees you can cut the rest of them down
46:46 under the proposed approach it would be
46:48 what kind of trees do you have what kind
46:50 of canopy do they have and you need to
46:52 preserve that canopy
46:54 but you know you're allowed to cut
46:56 something as long as the the canopy
46:58 would grow up to be the same
47:00 kind within certain time periods so all
47:03 of those details are going to be worked
47:05 out but that the density approach seems
47:07 to have that one you know
47:10 treating different it doesn't take the
47:12 quality of the tree uh into
47:14 consideration so we want to fix that
47:17 yeah
47:19 do you when you are talking about
47:22 trees and the canopy like that
47:25 do you take into consideration if you're
47:27 like does that apply to individual
47:30 individual lots
47:32 like
47:32 a homeowner's lot
47:34 so you know what i
47:36 see in my neighborhood and even on my
47:38 own my lot is that we have a lot of
47:41 trees that were you know um planted by
47:44 the developer that are really like now
47:47 that 10 years 20 years has gone by like
47:49 they're not actually appropriate trees
47:51 for that
47:52 you know that space and so that's just
47:54 something else i guess to layer in and
47:56 think about because it would be a shame
47:58 if you ended up like having to keep a
48:00 tree that you know was going to
48:03 you know that is basically growing into
48:05 your house or taking up the sidewalk or
48:08 or whatnot
48:10 yeah i mean that that that is something
48:12 we have to to
48:13 you know
48:14 wrestle with is a wrong tree planted in
48:17 the wrong spot
48:19 and what it's doing to the sidewalk
48:21 ripping it up with high edges and all
48:23 those kind of things and and there are
48:25 quite a few
48:26 um that we've come to learn about um
48:30 that you know there's no good quick easy
48:32 answer to those uh because at the same
48:35 time if the goal is to preserve the
48:37 canopy
48:38 um yet uh the hazard part is part of the
48:42 equation um whether it's for wildfire
48:45 you know we need to create a fire break
48:47 or if it is a tripping hazard and it's
48:49 you know ripping up the whole sidewalk
48:51 or the street or it's going to fall on
48:53 your house
48:54 in a windstorm you know very recent
48:57 we've had power outages throughout the
48:59 community and and and trees down related
49:01 to that so we you know we're going to
49:03 lose a few related to those kind of
49:05 things but that's why planting
49:07 additional ones and replacing those is
49:09 so much more critical because those
49:11 things do will happen
49:13 yeah
49:14 i'm planning the right kind of tree in
49:16 the right right space right place yeah
49:18 yeah
49:20 minnie we need to kind of get moving
49:21 along what what more would you like from
49:23 the board at this point
49:26 you know i think we've got some really
49:27 good uh conversation from you today so i
49:30 think i we have enough but uh you all
49:33 will get back with the planning and
49:35 policy commission when we'll share the
49:37 draft code and that'll be the time when
49:39 you'll be officially taking public
49:41 comments from the community members our
49:44 plan is to release it at least a month
49:46 prior to
49:47 the public healing so you have time to
49:49 read up we also want to have
49:51 opportunities with within that time so
49:54 that if
49:55 you know three of you have a question we
49:56 want to sit down with you and kind of go
49:58 through those details prior to the
50:00 public hearing as well so we want to
50:02 have opportunities to kind of get into
50:04 some of the details with you at that
50:06 time but in the meantime if you have
50:08 thoughts ideas as you live in your
50:10 community you see a tree you see some
50:12 connection that wasn't done right or or
50:15 a missing connection or you think about
50:17 this thing um you know in your
50:20 conversations with the community members
50:21 please let us know you know feel free to
50:23 reach out to me i'm happy to to take any
50:25 information from you and i need but
50:28 to appreciate your time thank you
50:30 thank you so much minnie have a good
50:32 evening
50:33 yeah thank you
50:35 thanks minnie so much and thank you
50:37 board members for uh just for the the
50:40 discussion and feedback lots lots of
50:42 work ahead obviously
50:45 so up next uh we're going to have john
50:47 mortensen from the city talk a bit about
50:49 the newport way corridor and
50:52 um john i'll let you go from there
50:58 thank you for the introduction i'm john
51:00 morton transportation engineering
51:02 manager with the city of issaquah i've
51:04 got a
51:05 item to present to you today about
51:08 newport way between maple and sunset i'm
51:10 going to go ahead and share my screen
51:12 and
51:12 start my presentation
51:34 quick question is it showing my slides
51:36 or my notes page
51:38 uh your slides perfect i did it right
51:47 just to give you a heads up john we only
51:49 have about 20 minutes for your portion
51:51 yep
51:52 we should be able to make it in that
51:54 time it's tonight's item is an
51:57 informational item
51:58 and sometime
52:00 tomorrow
52:02 either jeff or jennifer are going to be
52:04 sending out a doodle poll for a an
52:07 upcoming joint meeting between the
52:09 transportation advisory board and the
52:12 parks board and my presentation tonight
52:15 is to help prepare the parks board for
52:18 this upcoming joint meeting where we'll
52:20 be discussing this project
52:23 a little bit of background on newport
52:25 way between maple and sunset
52:28 the history of this project goes back a
52:30 very long time but we're going to begin
52:33 the history
52:34 around 2009 to january 2011. during that
52:39 time the city held a series of public
52:41 involvement meetings and came up with a
52:44 project concept that was adopted by the
52:46 council in january 2011. the project
52:50 concept that was adopted included a
52:53 second southbound lane from
52:55 maple to
52:56 just south of hawley
52:58 no medians
53:00 and the reason for that was
53:03 a lot of the residents really want to be
53:04 able to access their driveways
53:07 roundabouts at the intersections of
53:09 juniper
53:10 hawley and dogwood
53:15 and then after
53:16 this concept was adopted
53:19 then
53:20 a year later the city adopted the
53:22 central issaquah plan which included
53:24 their the circulation standards
53:27 and then in 2018
53:30 the parks department worked on the park
53:32 strategic plan and the green necklace
53:36 and using the january 2011
53:40 concept
53:41 the central squad standards and the
53:45 parks plan and green necklace document
53:48 we came up with a concept that i'll tell
53:50 you about back in 2018.
53:54 as i mentioned the central squad plan
53:56 was adopted in 2012 and inside of it was
53:59 the circulation standards which defined
54:02 what a lot of the streets inside of
54:04 central essequal would look like
54:05 including newport way and newport way
54:08 was classified as a parkway and the
54:10 center median was put back in
54:14 the original project back in
54:16 2011
54:19 included a shared use path but the
54:21 central essequi parkway standard did not
54:23 include the shared use path
54:26 in 2018 the park strategic plan and the
54:30 green necklace document were put
54:31 together and they identified
54:34 newport way
54:35 and holly
54:37 for the mountains to sound greenway
54:39 trail and this is a
54:40 page out of one of those documents
54:43 and i highlighted in yellow where the
54:46 newport way maple to sunset project is
54:48 and this document shows that
54:51 there will be a type 1 connection and a
54:53 type 1 connection is defined as a
54:56 multi-purpose trail on one side of the
54:58 street
55:00 that will accommodate pedestrians and
55:01 bicycles sidewalk or
55:04 multi-purpose path will be on the other
55:06 side
55:12 and what happened is we took
55:14 the project design team took
55:16 all of those
55:19 ideas the original concept
55:21 the central issaquah plan
55:23 circulation standards the park strategic
55:26 plan and we came up with the concept
55:28 that's on this screen it had a shared
55:31 use path on one side buffered bike lanes
55:34 it had sidewalk
55:37 medians planner strips
55:39 and the
55:41 i think is a really good concept that we
55:43 had for the project other than the cost
55:45 was 40 million dollars and
55:50 we identified about 26 million dollars
55:52 worth of revenue that could actually
55:53 build the project and build it in phases
55:56 which meant we needed to come up with
55:58 ways in order to reduce the cost of the
56:01 project in order to be able to have
56:03 something to construct
56:07 at the
56:10 joint
56:11 meeting that we're going to have with
56:12 the tab
56:13 that's the transportation advisory board
56:16 and the parks board
56:17 we're going to ident we're going to
56:19 discuss three different concepts
56:22 that
56:24 we have come up with that reduce the
56:26 footprint because one of the ways we
56:28 we looked at a number of ways to reduce
56:30 the costs from 40 million to
56:33 26 million
56:35 and
56:37 for this conversation we're only going
56:39 to focus on one of them which is the
56:41 revised typical section concept and
56:46 what we found out is we really needed to
56:47 narrow the footprint of the street
56:49 because by having it so wide it was just
56:51 making it really expensive between all
56:53 the asphalt and
56:55 stuff that we'd have to buy in the right
56:56 of way and so we really needed to narrow
56:58 the footprint
56:59 and in order to evaluate those
57:03 concepts
57:04 we're going to first focus on the values
57:06 the values of the original concept for
57:08 the corridor the values inside of the
57:11 central issaquah plan
57:13 the values from the park strategic plan
57:15 and the green necklace and the guiding
57:18 principles from the recently adopted
57:20 mobility master plan
57:22 in 2011 when the
57:24 concept was adopted
57:26 the reasons for the
57:28 concept that were adopted are
57:31 the street would be livable
57:33 there would be side street access the
57:35 roundabouts would help calm the traffic
57:37 and slow down
57:39 it would improve safety there'd be
57:40 u-turn capacity
57:42 or capability it would be efficient and
57:46 reduce maintenance costs
57:49 as opposed to installing traffic signals
57:57 for the park strategic plan and green
57:59 necklace when the public was asked what
58:01 does success look like for the green
58:03 necklace
58:07 two themes came across and that those
58:10 were connections and experience and the
58:12 green necklace vision seeks to define a
58:15 public system that supports central
58:17 esquire redevelopment
58:20 serve and support broader issaquah and
58:23 unify
58:25 and connect both of those areas with the
58:27 issaquah alps lake samamish state park
58:30 and the other surrounding public lands
58:34 in addition
58:36 to those
58:37 division of the green necklace which the
58:40 mountains to sound greenway trails part
58:42 of the green necklace
58:43 the parks recreation trails and open
58:46 space element of the comprehensive plan
58:48 states trails within the creek corridor
58:52 and mountains to sound
58:54 trail corridor
58:55 don't have a minimum trail width of 12
58:58 feet
58:59 unless other restrictions
59:01 or constraints exist and variations
59:04 shall be approved by the parks and
59:05 recreation department
59:07 the trail surfacing shall support
59:09 universal access
59:15 the intent of the central issaquah
59:18 circulation standards are the values
59:20 that we have for the central isoqua plan
59:23 and those are to ensure adequate safe
59:26 and reasonable access and connectivity
59:29 prioritize non-motorized and transit
59:32 users over motorized users yet seamless
59:35 fair and convenient for all users
59:38 prioritize local vehicular traffic over
59:41 regional vehicular traffic
59:44 contribute to the public realm through
59:46 well-designed and inviting movement
59:48 zones
59:49 accommodate incremental redevelopment
59:52 through phasing and the recognition of
59:56 the potentially intricate and complex
59:59 nature of decades
1:00:01 long implementation by multiple
1:00:03 developers
1:00:04 provide facilities appropriate for the
1:00:07 anticipated use with minimum paving
1:00:10 width
1:00:11 provide a
1:00:13 variety of facilities that accommodate
1:00:16 multiple functions that occur such as
1:00:18 connectivity recreation passive use
1:00:22 informal gatherings and stormwater
1:00:25 establish a public realm that helps to
1:00:27 define the character
1:00:30 and image of central esqua and the
1:00:33 last one is allow for flexibility in
1:00:35 design and location of circulation
1:00:38 facilities
1:00:41 the mobility master plan was
1:00:44 something that the city put together
1:00:46 after a large public involvement process
1:00:49 and worked a lot with the transportation
1:00:51 advisory board and it had these
1:00:55 six guiding principles
1:00:57 the first one is to improve mobility
1:00:59 within issaquah today provide safe
1:01:02 accessible connections within iskwa to
1:01:04 provide near-term benefit to people of
1:01:07 all ages abilities incomes and
1:01:10 backgrounds using all travel options
1:01:16 prepare for growth coordinate
1:01:18 transportation with land use for
1:01:21 anticipated growth by building a
1:01:23 complete multimodal network that fits
1:01:26 the context of issaquah's neighborhoods
1:01:30 better connect isoqua with the region
1:01:33 leverage regional investments and
1:01:35 prepare for light rail to connect
1:01:37 issaquah with the region
1:01:40 promote environmentally sustainable
1:01:42 mobility embrace
1:01:45 environmentally
1:01:47 responsible
1:01:48 transportation system to protect
1:01:50 issaquah's natural environment
1:01:52 invest wisely apply sustainable
1:01:55 funding practices including
1:01:57 prioritization
1:01:59 system maintenance along capital
1:02:01 investments to best
1:02:03 leverage prior investments
1:02:05 and the last one is anticipate
1:02:07 transformation develop a transportation
1:02:10 system that enables new technologies
1:02:13 emerging transportation options and
1:02:15 economic trends
1:02:21 after looking at all the different
1:02:22 values from the different sources that
1:02:24 come together
1:02:26 i've there are several common values
1:02:29 safety
1:02:30 connections
1:02:31 non-motorized transportation
1:02:34 all ages and abilities character and
1:02:36 experience
1:02:39 environmentally sustainable
1:02:41 and prepare for growth and redevelopment
1:02:44 and when we start our meeting that's
1:02:47 going to be the
1:02:49 the joint meeting with the
1:02:51 transportation advisory board and the
1:02:53 parks board we're really going to focus
1:02:55 on these values and talk about them
1:02:59 before we start getting into the concept
1:03:00 with the plan of if there are
1:03:03 conflicts or disagreements
1:03:05 or as we're trying to prioritize our
1:03:08 value the evaluation of these
1:03:10 alternatives we can come back to these
1:03:12 values
1:03:16 to talk a little bit about the
1:03:18 alternatives
1:03:20 the first one is
1:03:23 one that
1:03:24 would accommodate or do the trail
1:03:26 connection by actually splitting the
1:03:28 trail and separating the users on both
1:03:31 sides of the street
1:03:33 and so
1:03:34 what we would have is a six foot wide
1:03:36 bike lane
1:03:38 next to a six foot wide sidewalk and
1:03:41 it'd be on both sides
1:03:43 of newport whey
1:03:45 and with planter strip
1:03:47 to separate the
1:03:48 non-motorized
1:03:50 traffic from the vehicular traffic
1:03:54 alternative b is a very similar concept
1:03:57 in terms of
1:03:58 the the layout other than
1:04:01 one side would be identified
1:04:03 as the mountains to sound greenway
1:04:05 corridor trail and it would be signed as
1:04:07 the mountains the sound greenway
1:04:09 corridor trail and the other side would
1:04:11 be an equally wide sidewalk which could
1:04:14 also be a multi-purpose trail
1:04:18 that is alternative b
1:04:20 and alternative c
1:04:22 mixes things up a little bit differently
1:04:24 in that
1:04:25 the trail is widened
1:04:28 to 14 feet wide and the other side of
1:04:30 the street has an eight foot wide
1:04:32 sidewalk
1:04:35 and that concludes
1:04:36 the presentation that i have if you have
1:04:39 any clarifying questions i can answer
1:04:42 those although i do want to save the
1:04:44 discussion for when everyone's together
1:04:46 in the joint meeting
1:04:58 okay who wants to go first
1:05:00 uh jeff you had something
1:05:02 i just wanted to thank john and i guess
1:05:04 frame this up as your you know are there
1:05:07 what specifically would you like the
1:05:09 park board to sort of be prepared for
1:05:13 at this joint meeting
1:05:22 jeff was that for me to answer or for
1:05:25 you yes
1:05:26 sorry john for you yeah okay so what
1:05:28 would be really helpful is to review the
1:05:31 values
1:05:33 in the presentation and the memo think
1:05:36 about them think about the common values
1:05:39 if there's any that you feel like i've
1:05:41 missed uh be prepared to talk about
1:05:44 that talk about how you or think about
1:05:46 how you'd prioritize the values and look
1:05:50 at the typical sections and gather your
1:05:52 thoughts and one of the things i did not
1:05:54 want to do at this meeting was i didn't
1:05:56 want to talk about the pros and cons of
1:05:58 it because i want
1:06:00 you all to think about them from your
1:06:03 experience as users and
1:06:07 that way you can come in with
1:06:09 unbiased
1:06:11 opinions and be ready to have a
1:06:14 a good discussion
1:06:17 john are you is it the intention at that
1:06:20 combined meeting to
1:06:21 um reach some sort of consensus on the
1:06:24 alternative uh
1:06:26 different alternatives
1:06:27 that's that would be the ideal outcome
1:06:30 is to have both boards come together
1:06:32 and come up with a consensus because i i
1:06:35 really feel that if we can have the
1:06:36 boards come up with a consensus that
1:06:39 we'd really have a
1:06:40 a strong and compelling project that
1:06:44 we could get behind are those three
1:06:46 alternatives within the 26 million
1:06:52 budget
1:06:52 yes they are
1:06:56 and i just want to add a little tidbit
1:06:59 for those who go back and take a look at
1:07:01 the graphics
1:07:03 the side with the power poles is going
1:07:06 to be
1:07:07 the squat mountain side
1:07:09 and the other side of the street so
1:07:11 you'd be looking south down newport way
1:07:13 just to orient you uh graphically
1:07:16 knowing john and i have looked at these
1:07:18 countless times um but it might be
1:07:20 helpful for you to be able to visualize
1:07:23 then what it would look like
1:07:26 so so jen to clarify looking at the
1:07:29 graphic the left side is squawk mountain
1:07:32 you said yes where the power poles are
1:07:34 there's existing power poles on newport
1:07:38 um so those would be on the east side or
1:07:41 the west side
1:07:42 of newport
1:07:44 well i think
1:07:45 though the question was the left side
1:07:48 and the left side
1:07:50 would be
1:07:51 i remember right esqua valley elementary
1:07:54 in the right side would be squawk
1:07:55 mountain
1:07:56 yes and
1:07:58 correct because they're looking south
1:07:59 all the
1:08:01 other profiles are looking south
1:08:04 and in the graphic you'll see power
1:08:05 poles
1:08:06 and so those are on the squawk mountain
1:08:08 side which is the west side
1:08:14 other questions or comments from the
1:08:16 board
1:08:18 yes i was not clear on that so um
1:08:21 can we pull up that visual because
1:08:24 if the power poles are on the issaquah
1:08:26 valley elementary side and that's not
1:08:28 the squawk side they're on the squawk
1:08:30 mountain side
1:08:32 all right inside
1:08:41 so the left side of this picture
1:08:44 is the issaquah valley elementary side
1:08:46 and the right side is the squawk
1:08:48 mountain side
1:08:49 yes that's correct and that's consistent
1:08:51 with all the picture all the visuals
1:08:52 that we've seen
1:08:55 okay so this is like going from tibbetts
1:08:58 valley park if we're going towards like
1:09:00 so going north
1:09:03 it'd be nice to actually add to that
1:09:05 north south so people could actually get
1:09:07 a visual of what essentially this is
1:09:09 looking south right correct yeah so this
1:09:14 since this is the parks board i'll say
1:09:15 this is as someone would be riding their
1:09:18 bike to the swimming pool
1:09:21 from from tibbetts valley park yes
1:09:23 perfect yeah leaving tibbetts valley
1:09:25 park to take
1:09:27 a person's bike to the swimming pool
1:09:31 thank you
1:09:32 clarify that john this is not a proposed
1:09:35 right-of-way prism in front of tibbetts
1:09:37 valley park
1:09:39 correct
1:09:40 this is basically from target
1:09:43 right down south correct yes
1:09:46 that's a good point to make jeff
1:09:49 i think that was my clarifier so this is
1:09:51 going all the way down newport
1:09:54 and as a clarifier on the option c
1:09:58 where it was larger on one side now i
1:10:00 can't remember was that the side that
1:10:02 would have the esque valley elementary
1:10:04 correct
1:10:05 okay and would that be mixed you so
1:10:07 you'd have bikes and walkers
1:10:09 on that or was it separated like bikes
1:10:12 walkers on either side of the street
1:10:15 okay thank you
1:10:17 and as a part of this project are they
1:10:19 actually not going to bury the power
1:10:21 lines they're actually going to leave
1:10:22 them in power poles
1:10:24 that is another discussion as one of the
1:10:26 potential cost savings that we've been
1:10:28 discussing with the city council and we
1:10:31 presented some options to the city
1:10:32 council they had some questions and i
1:10:35 want to return to the council with the
1:10:37 answers to the questions along with the
1:10:39 feedback that we get from this joint
1:10:41 meeting
1:10:44 is the um is there a plan for once you
1:10:49 to that um
1:10:51 intersection where
1:10:52 you would go to target or
1:10:56 pivots valley park
1:10:58 that's maple right
1:11:02 that's where this project ends correct
1:11:05 yeah and so there's there's something
1:11:07 else in the works that would
1:11:09 address where those big multi-use trails
1:11:12 would go from there
1:11:16 sort of there's the park strategic plan
1:11:18 and green necklace that identify the
1:11:20 mountains to sound corridor
1:11:22 continuing along newport way and then
1:11:25 the central squad plan
1:11:27 talks about
1:11:28 the makeup of maple and newport
1:11:31 so we're not as far along on those but
1:11:34 those are
1:11:35 really important connections because
1:11:36 right now we have
1:11:38 two projects underway that are doing a
1:11:41 huge portion of this and that's newport
1:11:43 way between sr 900 and 54th and newport
1:11:47 way between maple and sunset and getting
1:11:50 that middle connections really important
1:11:52 and one of the things i did not mention
1:11:55 is both of the two current newport
1:11:58 projects have federal funds for design
1:12:01 which means we need to advance these
1:12:03 projects
1:12:04 to the next phase or pay back the
1:12:06 federal funds and so right now the
1:12:08 priority is to
1:12:10 keep advancing these two projects
1:12:13 but it's definitely a huge priority
1:12:16 to also connect them because it'd be
1:12:19 great to be able
1:12:20 to go all the way along these
1:12:24 corridors as a either pedestrian or
1:12:26 bicyclist
1:12:28 so when we're thinking about this for
1:12:30 our joint meeting should we be kind of
1:12:32 considering
1:12:34 how those might play out in that
1:12:36 you know that that section that's not
1:12:38 being developed like should that be
1:12:40 something we're thinking about
1:12:45 and can you share with us the is the
1:12:47 newport
1:12:49 from state route 900
1:12:51 like towards spell view that that's that
1:12:53 section is that um
1:12:56 in full design like do we know what
1:12:57 that's going to look like when it's
1:12:58 fully built out
1:13:01 yes that one
1:13:02 let me see if i can just find it
1:13:05 share that with us before our meeting
1:13:07 how about that i'll include it in the
1:13:09 agenda packet for the joint meeting that
1:13:11 okay that would be great i think that
1:13:13 would be super helpful because
1:13:15 i mean as we talk about things should it
1:13:17 should be consistent within the city it
1:13:19 would be helpful to know kind of
1:13:21 what that looks like
1:13:24 great thanks
1:13:26 any other questions or comments from the
1:13:29 board
1:13:31 or staff
1:13:35 if not thank you much for that john and
1:13:38 i guess we'll be seeing you here in a
1:13:39 few weeks
1:13:40 that's great thank you for your time
1:13:42 thank you
1:13:43 have a good evening
1:13:45 thanks so much john
1:13:50 so with that
1:13:52 we're moving along to
1:13:54 um kind of an update on rules and
1:13:57 regulations that we discovered here
1:14:00 recently and it looks like
1:14:02 from what i saw there's
1:14:04 maybe another uh change in addition to
1:14:07 quorum that we need to talk about so
1:14:09 jeff i'll pass it on to you i guess this
1:14:11 is something you wanted to talk about
1:14:14 sure just bringing this back as part of
1:14:16 the um
1:14:18 open government training uh that tisha
1:14:21 gizer our city clerk came at our last
1:14:23 meeting uh it was pointed out
1:14:26 by the the chair quite
1:14:28 observantly that our current rules and
1:14:30 regulations had a quorum number that
1:14:32 wasn't accurate and so
1:14:34 uh tonight the rules and regulations are
1:14:36 before you uh with the proposed
1:14:38 amendments you'll see in section four
1:14:42 of the rules and regulations changing
1:14:44 that quorum from four to five
1:14:47 and then also in i believe it's section
1:14:49 10 uh forgive me i i don't have two
1:14:51 screens so i don't have it up
1:14:53 the city clerk also
1:14:55 suggested an amendment pertaining to
1:14:59 agendas and preparation of agendas
1:15:02 her suggestion
1:15:04 was to become more consistent with the
1:15:07 other boards and commissions and also
1:15:10 be realistic in terms of
1:15:13 when those materials what our goal is to
1:15:16 prepare those when those materials are
1:15:18 are likely to be
1:15:20 prepared
1:15:21 she i also would point out as she would
1:15:23 point out if she was here right now that
1:15:25 the state requirement is 24 hours so
1:15:28 what's proposed here with
1:15:32 more than three days
1:15:34 as a goal
1:15:35 certainly
1:15:37 it's far more far exceeds what the state
1:15:40 requirement would be for agenda
1:15:42 materials so with that those proposed
1:15:44 changes are before you for
1:15:47 uh discussion and consideration and
1:15:49 possible action
1:15:50 tonight back to you brett thank you jeff
1:15:54 okay so before us we have essentially
1:15:56 two changes to rules and regulations one
1:15:59 is changing quorum from four to five to
1:16:02 reach a majority
1:16:04 and the other is to change from seven
1:16:07 day notification to three or more day
1:16:09 notification
1:16:11 in large part because a lot of
1:16:13 information kind of comes in that last
1:16:15 week before our
1:16:17 board meeting and it gives an
1:16:19 opportunity for melissa to then compile
1:16:21 that material and get that out
1:16:24 in a little tighter
1:16:26 time frame than what we used to have so
1:16:30 any questions about that
1:16:33 and if not i would need to have uh do
1:16:37 you have a question danielle
1:16:39 well i just
1:16:41 want to i guess give some feedback about
1:16:43 the amount of days
1:16:47 providing materials um
1:16:50 i completely understand that it that
1:16:52 often
1:16:53 everything kind of pulls together sort
1:16:55 of like at the last minute and it's like
1:16:57 that's you know when when we get things
1:16:59 i think that that change i think that we
1:17:03 revised that a number of years ago to
1:17:07 try to give more time
1:17:09 because what we were finding as a board
1:17:11 is that we weren't getting materials in
1:17:13 a sufficient amount of time for people
1:17:15 to really thoughtfully review them
1:17:17 and so there is a balance there um
1:17:21 and you know while 24 hours might be
1:17:23 what this what the state requires that's
1:17:24 a minimum like that's that would be
1:17:26 that's hard for people if you want
1:17:28 people to be prepared when they come
1:17:30 just the more time
1:17:32 the better i think the way i guess i
1:17:34 would review the balance of that would
1:17:36 be to give some discretion and some
1:17:38 flexibility to melissa and somewhat
1:17:42 based upon our agenda
1:17:44 because if our agenda is going to
1:17:46 include
1:17:47 a number of items like tonight we had
1:17:49 two different items that came from staff
1:17:52 that they were compiling things we don't
1:17:54 always have that and so sometimes our
1:17:57 meetings and agendas
1:17:59 might not necessarily be relying upon
1:18:01 materials that are coming and in those
1:18:03 situations we probably could put that
1:18:05 out greater than three days
1:18:08 um but you know the way this is is
1:18:11 changed
1:18:13 drafted is that three days or more so i
1:18:16 guess i would say depending upon what
1:18:18 the agenda is
1:18:22 sometimes maybe we could have more than
1:18:24 three days if there wasn't a lot
1:18:26 expected from other departments i mean
1:18:29 how does that sound to you jeff and
1:18:32 melissa
1:18:33 yeah that that great question danielle
1:18:36 and i i certainly would agree with that
1:18:37 intent um the the drafted language tries
1:18:40 to find that that happy medium as as the
1:18:43 chair points out that yeah our goal
1:18:44 would be more than three
1:18:46 uh but we're also trying to be realistic
1:18:48 in terms of the rules and regulations
1:18:50 because i'll be honest as they're
1:18:51 written now we're not meeting the seven
1:18:53 days and it's really really difficult
1:18:56 in terms of building an agenda getting
1:18:58 the materials getting where there's
1:19:00 coordination with other departments um
1:19:02 and so we're just we're trying to be
1:19:04 honest transparent and and still try and
1:19:06 meet that goal of more than three days
1:19:13 so with that
1:19:15 i need to have a motion from someone to
1:19:19 revise the rules
1:19:21 you had a question danielle
1:19:23 i mean is this um
1:19:27 i think there's a few probably a few
1:19:28 other things that we probably don't
1:19:31 comply with on these rules like on a
1:19:33 regular basis or we don't require and
1:19:35 like one of them being with respect to
1:19:38 public participation when i just look at
1:19:40 the rules and what how people are
1:19:42 supposed to
1:19:43 kind of identify themselves
1:19:46 and i'm wondering
1:19:47 if that is something that is also if the
1:19:51 if that's been reviewed like is it what
1:19:53 is the reason that people are supposed
1:19:55 to like provide for example their
1:19:57 address
1:19:59 that's something that
1:20:01 we say that there's that
1:20:03 someone who's providing public comments
1:20:05 is supposed to do
1:20:06 is that a requirement
1:20:09 city-wide for all public comments
1:20:12 i think it would be i think it would be
1:20:14 in terms of drawing a distinction
1:20:16 whether or not you're dealing with
1:20:17 somebody that actually lives in the city
1:20:19 or not
1:20:20 is really the reason for that
1:20:23 we don't always necessarily require them
1:20:26 to state their address as much as are
1:20:28 they are they
1:20:29 a resident of the city
1:20:32 because we might like if you look at it
1:20:33 in the rules it says when recognized the
1:20:35 audience member shall use
1:20:37 their lecture and microphone if
1:20:39 available to state his or her name
1:20:40 address and relationship to the city
1:20:43 for example resident property owner
1:20:45 business owner etc
1:20:48 so i know we haven't for a number of
1:20:50 years required that
1:20:52 and so i'm just wondering if if anybody
1:20:54 has kind of looked through these rules
1:20:55 recently to like vet other things that
1:20:59 identify other items that maybe are
1:21:01 outdated or
1:21:04 uh i'd say
1:21:06 we haven't
1:21:07 done that and i don't know that now is
1:21:10 the time to do that other than the two
1:21:12 things that has been placed before the
1:21:14 board if that's something that you feel
1:21:17 we should do we should save some
1:21:20 perhaps make that an agenda item at some
1:21:22 future meeting to review that to see if
1:21:25 there's additional changes that that
1:21:27 need to be considered i was just i'm
1:21:29 just curious where the changes came from
1:21:30 and if that
1:21:32 was comprehensive or not
1:21:34 no it primarily just came from this
1:21:36 quorum change and then as a result of
1:21:38 that jeff i think
1:21:40 added this additional time frame change
1:21:42 uh in terms of when the agenda was
1:21:44 coming to the board
1:21:47 if we want to have more of a
1:21:48 comprehensive review to maybe do any
1:21:52 further revisions i guess
1:21:55 typically i would say the early part of
1:21:57 the board
1:21:59 time you know in like may is usually
1:22:02 when we would maybe want to do that when
1:22:04 we're reviewing them
1:22:06 we could do that at any time if you feel
1:22:08 that's necessary we could easily add
1:22:09 that as an agenda item and open that up
1:22:12 for review and further discussion
1:22:16 we don't need to feel like i don't feel
1:22:17 strongly i was just trying to understand
1:22:19 in the context of kind of did somebody
1:22:21 i guess um
1:22:24 it's just something i guess to keep in
1:22:25 mind that i i think that there are
1:22:27 probably some other places in our rules
1:22:31 we're not necessarily
1:22:33 that are the way that we're operating as
1:22:35 a board may not be
1:22:37 you know consistent with those rules
1:22:40 and so
1:22:41 if we're changing some we might want to
1:22:43 think about changing the others
1:22:46 at some point i'd agree it's not tonight
1:22:48 and i don't know i'm not not suggesting
1:22:50 tonight but if there's an urgent urgency
1:22:52 in getting this
1:22:53 changed now then
1:22:56 there's an urgency if this changed now
1:22:59 for the two things that have been placed
1:23:01 as a revision um
1:23:03 and again if we want to take a more
1:23:05 comprehensive review of further changes
1:23:07 let's select an agenda item so that we
1:23:10 can do that
1:23:12 um typically i think at the beginning of
1:23:14 the term is usually when we would do
1:23:17 something of changes in rules and
1:23:19 regulations when we bring on new board
1:23:21 members you know so like in may
1:23:23 something up to that effect if there's
1:23:25 anything that's real you know
1:23:27 crucial we could do it prior to that so
1:23:30 i mean if you see something that
1:23:32 you know should be changed prior to next
1:23:34 may then you know bring that to my
1:23:37 attention and we can add that as an
1:23:38 agenda
1:23:41 yeah danielle it's a great it's a great
1:23:43 point and i think it is time for
1:23:44 probably a more a more thorough review
1:23:46 of the rules and regulations again just
1:23:48 for context these two items specifically
1:23:52 as the clerk came to the meeting the
1:23:54 clerk gave observations for both of
1:23:56 these um that's why they're suggested
1:23:59 tonight but a great point of a a
1:24:02 more in-depth thorough review i think
1:24:04 it's been three or four years now it's
1:24:06 probably good timing to do that
1:24:09 yeah and i would be i my question would
1:24:11 be to the clerk would be
1:24:13 do is that public like
1:24:15 identifying an address publicly like is
1:24:17 that really a requirement
1:24:19 and if it's not if nobody else is doing
1:24:22 it then we should strike it as well
1:24:24 i understand i want to know when
1:24:26 someone's speaking to the board if they
1:24:27 have a relationship to the city right if
1:24:29 they're they live here or whatever but
1:24:32 that's all sorry i took up too much time
1:24:34 on that
1:24:36 i would like to make a motion to approve
1:24:38 the uh changes
1:24:41 second the two changes and who did the
1:24:43 second
1:24:46 marlene marlene good second okay
1:24:49 all in favor raise your hand
1:24:54 any opposed raise your hand
1:24:57 looks like everybody approved that thank
1:24:59 you board for that and we those changes
1:25:01 are now in effect
1:25:09 now we are on to jennifer has two topics
1:25:13 first topic is anchor parks and
1:25:18 you can watch the clock like any of us
1:25:20 jen so you know how much time we've got
1:25:22 if you can try and wrap up both of these
1:25:24 uh i don't know by 10 to 9 if possible
1:25:30 that sounds great give me one quick
1:25:33 second here
1:25:46 [Music]
1:25:53 are you saying that
1:25:55 not yet
1:25:59 let's try again
1:26:05 how about now
1:26:06 yep there you go okay wonderful
1:26:10 so i'm here tonight hi everyone to speak
1:26:13 about our anchor parks project update
1:26:20 as you may recall
1:26:21 these anchor parks projects were
1:26:24 outlined in our park strategic plan and
1:26:27 these were for veterans memorial field
1:26:31 tibbetts valley park and the crete
1:26:33 corridor which was a connection from
1:26:35 squat valley park to
1:26:37 lake sammamish state park
1:26:41 back in 2019 a pandemic a lifetime ago
1:26:46 we launched these projects collectively
1:26:48 and did a bunch of public engagement
1:26:50 and the last time the board has seen any
1:26:52 update on this was february 24th of 2020
1:26:59 in summer of 2019 we started with some
1:27:02 public engagement to learn about
1:27:05 what people wanted to see within the
1:27:07 park system
1:27:09 at these specific parks
1:27:11 and kind of where we've been through
1:27:13 whoops excuse me
1:27:15 through our community engagement
1:27:18 we have been to the park board in july
1:27:20 of 19 we did farmers market concert on
1:27:22 the greens we did a bunch of partners
1:27:24 meetings
1:27:25 in august we came to the park board
1:27:27 again we talked with sports teams in
1:27:29 september we did an open house and
1:27:31 workshop
1:27:33 uh we came back to the park board in
1:27:34 october and then january is again we did
1:27:37 more of a sports teams chamber
1:27:40 downtown is going to visit issaquah
1:27:42 and we came back to the board in
1:27:44 february of 2020 and we're about to hit
1:27:46 launch
1:27:48 on our survey
1:27:50 for three different concepts for all the
1:27:52 different parks when the pandemic hit
1:27:56 and just as a refresher as we begin to
1:27:59 revive these projects kind of where we
1:28:01 were at back in 2020
1:28:04 um you may recall we tibbetts valley
1:28:06 park we had come up with a vision some
1:28:08 themes and some concepts
1:28:10 for the park
1:28:12 really looking at a future how we can
1:28:14 make this park
1:28:16 be more adaptive and really serve the
1:28:18 community better
1:28:21 and some of the concepts that we had
1:28:23 talked about were various sports fields
1:28:25 with play areas and moving sports court
1:28:28 how to connect
1:28:30 tibbetts creek manor how to create some
1:28:32 loops within the
1:28:34 park area
1:28:36 and some different options creating a
1:28:38 public garden orientations for sports
1:28:40 fields and how we might maximize some of
1:28:43 our uses at the park
1:28:48 so we came up with three different
1:28:49 concepts this concept really allowed
1:28:52 some more
1:28:53 flooding and crete capacity if we should
1:28:56 need it
1:28:57 but we'd have a storm water garden and
1:29:00 some different areas in there
1:29:04 and then veterans memorial field we also
1:29:06 talked about division themes and
1:29:08 concepts for this and i'm sorry if i'm
1:29:10 going a little
1:29:11 quickly and this is really just kind of
1:29:13 a recap as to what's been this is all
1:29:18 available on the website but um veterans
1:29:21 memorial field you know how can we
1:29:23 re-envision
1:29:24 not only veterans memorial field but
1:29:27 depot park pedestrian park and really
1:29:29 start creating more of a feel for the
1:29:31 entire space a connected civic plaza
1:29:35 or civic space
1:29:39 so one of the concepts was the rail line
1:29:41 concept
1:29:43 and we had talked about adding perhaps a
1:29:45 splash pad put some garden space
1:29:49 some different uses splash play
1:29:53 also creating a walking loop some
1:29:55 outdoor gathering space
1:29:59 and then also maybe some wintertime use
1:30:01 that you know maybe some
1:30:05 or things like that that could
1:30:07 be introduced to create more of a
1:30:09 year-round usable space
1:30:12 for these areas
1:30:14 we had had a
1:30:17 i was going to say for these concepts we
1:30:19 had had a bunch of questions we were
1:30:21 going to be asking the public and as we
1:30:23 get ready to launch these
1:30:26 concepts again and revive these projects
1:30:28 for each of these parts we want to
1:30:30 really just
1:30:31 take a moment and
1:30:33 make sure we are
1:30:36 thinking about how our park spaces are
1:30:38 being used
1:30:40 the creek corridor
1:30:42 four different elements were really
1:30:44 talked about for that we had talked
1:30:46 about spines creating different walking
1:30:48 loops making sure we connected to
1:30:50 destinations but also make sure we're
1:30:52 creating consistent habitat along that
1:30:55 connection
1:30:57 we talked about the three different
1:30:59 reaches of the park
1:31:00 um pickering reach we had some gaps and
1:31:04 priorities just south of i-90 there
1:31:08 old crete or excuse me old town reach
1:31:12 say that three times fast um
1:31:14 you know we have some gaps again with
1:31:16 some habitat but also some trail
1:31:19 connections and how we might be able to
1:31:20 improve
1:31:22 some trails but also create some old
1:31:24 town loops that if you lived in those
1:31:26 neighborhoods you could go take a walk
1:31:29 and get to your destinations but as well
1:31:31 as um have a sense of
1:31:35 space and experience as you're doing
1:31:39 and then the last one was a squat valley
1:31:41 reach how can we connect into our
1:31:43 foothills area
1:31:44 identify some habitat gaps as well but
1:31:48 how can we create some loops
1:31:51 both in trails by walking and really
1:31:54 start connecting our system from the
1:31:56 south all the way up to lake samana
1:31:58 state park
1:32:03 so as part of the anchor kickoff as we
1:32:05 try and revive this project
1:32:08 we're going to be as i mentioned earlier
1:32:09 we launched all these projects with all
1:32:11 the public engagement all collectively
1:32:14 and i think we're at a point now we've
1:32:16 learned a lot through covet people have
1:32:18 really depended upon our outdoor spaces
1:32:21 during
1:32:22 the pandemic as a source of you know
1:32:25 refuge being able to get outside but
1:32:26 also maintain some activity and so this
1:32:29 is really a good time for us to start
1:32:32 separating these projects and really do
1:32:33 a more focused
1:32:35 approach on for each of these parks so
1:32:38 veterans memorial field tibbetts valley
1:32:41 park and crete corridor um we'll break
1:32:44 those apart and we'll start dealing with
1:32:45 them individually
1:32:47 as we start this kickoff as well we're
1:32:49 also going to be conducting a citywide
1:32:52 athletic field inventory and needs
1:32:54 assessment
1:32:56 uh we're trying to coordinate right now
1:32:58 with a consultant to get that work
1:33:00 underway so there will be more to come
1:33:02 on that
1:33:03 but that will be a separate effort um
1:33:08 and then also um we're going to be
1:33:10 starting some of this kickoff with some
1:33:12 focus groups meeting
1:33:13 focus group meetings
1:33:16 and we want to share some of the prior
1:33:18 public engagement that we've had you
1:33:20 know the concepts that we
1:33:22 came up with but we also how did the
1:33:24 pandemic change park use
1:33:27 have your parks needs changed
1:33:30 and other questions and so we're here
1:33:31 tonight to really
1:33:34 start picking your brains as a park
1:33:36 board and a steering group um as to any
1:33:38 advice you may have for us
1:33:41 kind of our projected next steps for
1:33:43 this project as i mentioned in november
1:33:45 we're going to start some community
1:33:47 focus groups
1:33:48 really with a broad breach we're
1:33:50 probably going to have eight ten of
1:33:51 these
1:33:52 at various times
1:33:54 jeff and i are working on
1:33:56 that group now
1:33:59 we'll be bringing you back park board
1:34:01 obviously you're gonna be really key in
1:34:03 all of this
1:34:05 but then also our first really act is
1:34:08 which of these three anchor parks is
1:34:09 going to be the first out of the gate to
1:34:11 really start this relaunch
1:34:14 and would love to get some feedback from
1:34:16 you as a board and then in january it's
1:34:18 our hope to really relaunch this with a
1:34:20 community survey whichever park
1:34:23 is first out of the gate and we'd update
1:34:26 materials that have been created and
1:34:28 survey stuff before we start that
1:34:30 engagement and then we go into some open
1:34:33 houses
1:34:34 likely in q2 of next year should we be
1:34:36 able to gather
1:34:38 either open house or workshops online um
1:34:42 also come back to the park board and
1:34:44 then we'd maybe start kicking off the
1:34:46 second park and um perhaps the third
1:34:49 part we don't know which order yet and
1:34:52 then obviously we'd stagger on with the
1:34:55 third or second part as we continue on
1:34:58 down the road but try and wrap up
1:35:00 later in this year the final vision uh
1:35:03 for the first park that we'd be kicking
1:35:05 off here this november
1:35:09 so with that what i'm here to quickly
1:35:11 speak with you about being mindful of
1:35:13 our time tonight is
1:35:15 what are your thoughts on relaunching um
1:35:18 let's use some hands pop up
1:35:20 great um what are your thoughts on
1:35:23 relaunching this work and also as part
1:35:26 of that are there any thoughts on
1:35:28 sequencing of the three anchor park
1:35:31 projects
1:35:34 the board's advice on this
1:35:37 okay marlene i saw your hand let's start
1:35:39 with you first
1:35:41 okay great i'm really excited that we're
1:35:42 kicking this back off
1:35:44 um i think one of the reasons i wanted
1:35:46 to join the park board was
1:35:48 um to have a hand in helping shape sort
1:35:50 of the future of these parks so it's
1:35:52 really exciting to see the work come
1:35:53 back again i think i like the thoughtful
1:35:55 nature of how is
1:35:57 how things change since we did this work
1:35:59 in the past um i think i would like to
1:36:02 advocate for tibbetts valley park for a
1:36:04 couple of reasons
1:36:06 i would love to understand how the
1:36:08 middle new middle school being built
1:36:10 will impact the use
1:36:12 of that space and sort of what is
1:36:14 different because i don't think that
1:36:15 decision was made um
1:36:17 back when we kicked this off
1:36:19 um i don't know about you but as i go
1:36:21 pick up my senate clark and there's kids
1:36:23 milling around
1:36:24 and having a lot of you know
1:36:26 i can see that happening and there's you
1:36:28 know obviously old town where they're
1:36:29 going to get yogurt and going and doing
1:36:30 stuff well this is a great opportunity
1:36:32 for those kids to mill about in the park
1:36:35 in open spaces whether it's a skate park
1:36:37 etc so i think really figuring out how
1:36:40 we're getting
1:36:41 um you know the kids in the middle
1:36:42 school or the families or whoever who
1:36:44 are going to be in sort of that
1:36:46 traffic on 900 maybe we mitigate the
1:36:48 traffic by people spending more time at
1:36:50 the park pick them up later i don't know
1:36:52 but like i think
1:36:53 there's a real opportunity to
1:36:56 figure out how we partner with the
1:36:58 school district on what's happening with
1:37:00 that middle school what the
1:37:02 field needs are what they're building
1:37:04 and then how that can integrate into
1:37:06 this park which is so close i also think
1:37:08 with the planned development that's
1:37:09 really happening
1:37:11 or slated to happen around that area it
1:37:13 just feels like the right place
1:37:15 to start for us
1:37:18 thank you marlene
1:37:20 uh danielle you're up
1:37:22 yeah i would i
1:37:24 i echo everything that marlene said um
1:37:27 especially with i don't think that the
1:37:28 middle school was part of the
1:37:31 um the conversation at all so it's a
1:37:33 really good point um i also i was a
1:37:36 broken record about this a couple years
1:37:37 ago but like baseball fields right like
1:37:40 that's six baseball fields between
1:37:42 tibbetts and veterans memorial and
1:37:45 um that's you know pretty much
1:37:48 you know almost the entirety of our
1:37:50 dedicated baseball fields um that are
1:37:53 city owned and so we really need to be
1:37:55 thoughtful about
1:37:57 about that and with respect to baseball
1:37:59 one thing that i learned during the
1:38:00 pandemic or that you know our family
1:38:03 experienced um
1:38:04 having a high school aged baseball
1:38:07 player is that we completely rely on the
1:38:10 schools um in in issaquah
1:38:13 for that age group field and so if the
1:38:16 schools are not allowing
1:38:19 public use or teams that aren't the high
1:38:22 school teams to be using the facilities
1:38:25 that eliminated
1:38:28 you know any games any high school age
1:38:30 games that were not high school
1:38:32 um so any club teams
1:38:34 none of those could happen at um
1:38:36 in issaquah unless they happen on the
1:38:38 turf fields perhaps but those turf
1:38:40 fields have limitations as far as being
1:38:42 desirable for games
1:38:44 so anyway it's a it's slightly different
1:38:47 like i kind of never had really
1:38:48 anticipated
1:38:51 that we might as a city you know really
1:38:53 want to think about having a like an
1:38:55 actual high school size field
1:39:00 thank you danielle any other comments
1:39:02 from the board
1:39:06 ryan you've got a comment okay we'll do
1:39:09 um i would definitely agree with doing
1:39:11 tibbetts first i know i sort of joined
1:39:13 the board in the midst of the dog park
1:39:15 tour but i think that from what i've
1:39:17 heard that definitely seems like
1:39:18 something the community wants and so
1:39:20 doing tibbetts where it has the more
1:39:21 permanent solution of that and has the
1:39:22 permanent dog park i think that could be
1:39:24 a good place to start
1:39:27 put the words right out of my mouth i
1:39:28 think that is a good place to start i
1:39:30 agree with all of the comments that
1:39:32 tibbetts should be a good place to begin
1:39:34 with it's got the most dynamics of such
1:39:37 so many different opportunities that the
1:39:39 other areas are not really focused on as
1:39:41 much so i guess tibbetts would be my
1:39:43 number one choice as well
1:39:46 and i think it seems like it's ready to
1:39:48 start splitting these up and start doing
1:39:50 them separately i i don't know that
1:39:52 there's any real need to keep them
1:39:54 together at this point it would be my
1:39:56 opinion
1:40:00 can you speak a little bit to kind of
1:40:02 what sports outreach i know that when
1:40:04 kind of right before everything got shut
1:40:06 down um
1:40:09 you were starting to have conversations
1:40:11 with the like the
1:40:12 baseball community that actually really
1:40:14 does rely on
1:40:16 on um
1:40:18 on those fields is that have you started
1:40:20 that back up for you
1:40:24 we had not started that
1:40:26 yes that that occurred uh no we have not
1:40:29 started that back up again as as jen
1:40:31 mentioned uh we're as we're
1:40:35 kicking these back off and looking at
1:40:37 doing them
1:40:38 in a sequence separated way
1:40:41 and really appreciate your feedback on
1:40:43 that because we we completely agree
1:40:44 now's the right time that was the intent
1:40:46 all along this is the right time to do
1:40:49 this danielle is why we also want to
1:40:50 kick off that
1:40:52 sort of city-wide look at our our
1:40:54 athletic field needs
1:40:58 growth needs current needs current use
1:41:00 so that assessment work will
1:41:03 obviously look at baseball softball
1:41:04 community
1:41:06 but also with it with an eye
1:41:08 given needs of other sports fields
1:41:12 or other athletic
1:41:16 you know as we start to
1:41:19 clearly take this next more focused
1:41:22 stage at tibbetts
1:41:23 or at veterans memorial and in the
1:41:25 collection of fields there
1:41:27 having a
1:41:28 a an understanding of how we're going to
1:41:31 address
1:41:33 systematic system-wide athletic field
1:41:36 needs is going to help us start to make
1:41:38 some informed decisions as we start to
1:41:40 dive into these more
1:41:42 site-by-site
1:41:43 conversations so
1:41:45 as we find
1:41:47 uh the proper partner to do that we'll
1:41:49 we'll start those conversations with the
1:41:51 athletic organizations
1:41:53 i think i mean i i would say to the
1:41:55 extent that we can start those
1:41:56 conversations
1:41:58 earlier than spring that would be best
1:42:00 because like once kind of spring happens
1:42:03 totally agree our goal would be our goal
1:42:05 would be this winter to do a bulk of
1:42:08 that work this winter yeah okay and then
1:42:10 i just also want to say like
1:42:11 there are lots of great ways that you
1:42:13 can have um fields be multi-purpose and
1:42:17 still you know like feel like something
1:42:19 so like i there's just a lot of good
1:42:21 examples of fields that
1:42:23 look actually feel like a baseball field
1:42:26 look like one play like one but also can
1:42:28 be used for other sports and so that i
1:42:30 just want to make sure that everybody
1:42:32 understands i'm not just advocating for
1:42:35 baseball but
1:42:38 you know one question i guess i'd have
1:42:40 would be in the sequencing of these
1:42:42 three different anchor parks um
1:42:47 you know having virtual versus in-person
1:42:50 type meetings probably has to play into
1:42:53 that in terms of the importance
1:42:56 meaning
1:42:59 it may not be for a few months yet
1:43:02 before we can actually meet in person
1:43:05 and if that's the case does that mean
1:43:07 one of these other three beyond tibbetts
1:43:09 would be more suitable to have first um
1:43:13 you know that would be more suitable in
1:43:15 a virtual environment i mean you know i
1:43:17 i guess that would be just something to
1:43:19 think about
1:43:22 a really good question and i think why
1:43:24 you know as
1:43:25 uh jennifer mentioned the these focus
1:43:27 groups um and again we want this to be a
1:43:30 pretty
1:43:31 a pretty large effort we're thinking you
1:43:34 know upwards of 50 to 60 community
1:43:36 leaders and community voices that we
1:43:38 would
1:43:40 sort of
1:43:41 invite and facilitate and really listen
1:43:45 to those groups probably you know six to
1:43:48 eight at a time so it's really a chance
1:43:50 for people to give us feedback on on
1:43:52 these parks
1:43:54 on the use the importance of these parks
1:43:56 how are they performing now
1:43:58 how do how do those residents see them
1:44:00 needing to perform in the future
1:44:03 and so that's really and those will
1:44:05 probably be virtual because they're
1:44:07 they're now we plan on doing those in
1:44:09 november
1:44:10 i think until we get those done brad and
1:44:12 really become informed by those to give
1:44:14 us a sense and come back and talk with
1:44:16 you about hey here's what we heard in
1:44:18 terms of the sequence
1:44:20 we're probably not kicking off that
1:44:22 first one until and and doing the sports
1:44:24 field work now
1:44:26 and then looking at sometime or q1 next
1:44:29 year really kicking off that first one
1:44:31 when we hope because i think all of them
1:44:34 to some degree are going to be far more
1:44:35 beneficial with face to face
1:44:38 in person meet on site
1:44:40 those types of those types of
1:44:42 conversations will be of real value
1:44:44 but we also learned that um
1:44:48 you know through like the wayfinding
1:44:50 example right where we put um
1:44:53 terrific signs throughout a park and
1:44:55 have qr codes that invite people to give
1:44:57 us feedback um boy those were really
1:44:59 beneficial as well so i think the
1:45:01 engagement campaign is going to be a mix
1:45:04 utilizing virtual and tech but also
1:45:07 nothing
1:45:08 nothing replaces some face-to-face
1:45:10 conversation as well
1:45:13 i just want to
1:45:15 i just wanted to quick add on that we
1:45:17 have learned so much through some of the
1:45:18 virtual using mural boards and other
1:45:21 things to really help with engagement
1:45:24 feedback um that
1:45:27 i don't think we're
1:45:29 had we done that a year ago we would
1:45:31 have been having a different
1:45:32 conversation than we are now people have
1:45:34 really become much more adept at
1:45:36 engaging in those forms of um
1:45:39 opportunities to provide feedback have
1:45:41 breakout rooms so it is we are able to
1:45:44 reach some folks doing that um in
1:45:46 creative ways we didn't used to
1:45:48 yeah i really in fact one of those
1:45:50 meetings i really liked the uh one
1:45:53 survey that was take where you could
1:45:55 actually have i think bethune did this
1:45:57 where you could actually have instant
1:45:59 survey results which is not something
1:46:01 that we can do in the field as well as
1:46:03 in a virtual environment so
1:46:05 having a mix of that i think is is
1:46:08 helpful
1:46:09 let's go with reuben and then zach after
1:46:13 can you hear me yep yeah my
1:46:16 biggest concern ever
1:46:17 since we had that experience with the
1:46:19 the private sector tennis people a
1:46:20 couple years ago
1:46:22 is whenever we have these kind of
1:46:23 meetings that involve fields
1:46:26 or courts or
1:46:28 athletic type things
1:46:30 those groups are able to get a lot of
1:46:32 people there
1:46:34 and i guess
1:46:35 my concern is how do even the people who
1:46:37 aren't going to play baseball who aren't
1:46:38 going to play the athletic games that's
1:46:41 my only concern because you know the
1:46:43 ever since that tennis experience all i
1:46:45 remember is it seemed like nine percent
1:46:46 of the people were not from missouri
1:46:48 they were and they wanted basically a
1:46:50 private tennis club so i just want to
1:46:52 make sure we don't forget
1:46:54 and how we get word from the people who
1:46:57 who are not part of a team
1:46:59 and not that i don't like baseball i
1:47:00 love it but i just want to make sure we
1:47:02 get a balanced
1:47:03 viewpoint because that tennis experience
1:47:06 left me kind of like holy cow these guys
1:47:08 can organize 50 people in two seconds
1:47:12 good point reuben
1:47:14 uh zack you had something
1:47:16 [Music]
1:47:18 yeah i was curious as to how like the
1:47:20 mountain to sound greenway will factor
1:47:22 in with tibbetts park since it's kind of
1:47:24 that's that other corridor section that
1:47:26 we spoke of earlier between
1:47:28 newport way and maple at that
1:47:30 intersection
1:47:31 and kind of if that is being factored
1:47:33 into the planning for tibbetts valley to
1:47:36 also maybe incorporate that
1:47:38 that trail uh to link those things up
1:47:41 while retaining the sycamore trees that
1:47:43 were also a concern
1:47:47 yeah the trees along newport yeah great
1:47:49 point zach it's something we've already
1:47:50 reached out to public works that as we
1:47:54 wherever tibbetts falls in the sequence
1:47:56 of these
1:47:57 uh we very much want to engage public
1:47:59 works in any of the right-of-way
1:48:00 planning that they're doing on that
1:48:03 right away in front of tibbetts we we
1:48:05 would love for that planning to be be
1:48:07 done while
1:48:09 uh the the work and the planning and the
1:48:11 visioning for the park are done so we
1:48:13 sort of address i think the great points
1:48:16 that that a number of you
1:48:18 addressed right how are we making
1:48:20 decisions that look at some of those
1:48:22 iconic trees
1:48:24 that look at the experience we want
1:48:26 for that edge of the park and that
1:48:28 portion of the park
1:48:30 and how it uh works with the the
1:48:32 programming of that right-of-way
1:48:34 uh be it mountains the sound greenway
1:48:36 trail um or even just any right-of-way
1:48:39 improvements um so
1:48:41 we feel like the timing of this planning
1:48:43 effort is good and that it's coinciding
1:48:45 with the the work and the planning work
1:48:47 that that public works is doing for that
1:48:49 right-of-way as well
1:48:53 uh marlene go ahead
1:48:55 i just have a quick ad brad on the
1:48:57 conversation about sequencing versus
1:48:59 virtual and in person
1:49:01 and um just for what it's worth i know
1:49:03 it can sometimes be hard to get people
1:49:05 to an actual location i know it even in
1:49:07 our hoa we've had much better
1:49:11 attendance at all of our events but
1:49:13 having them be virtual so like just you
1:49:15 know from kind of the flip side of
1:49:17 an in-person event versus a
1:49:20 virtual i think at least in certain age
1:49:22 groups we're finding it's easier for
1:49:23 people to jump on a call for you know 20
1:49:25 30 minutes than to try to
1:49:27 arrange how to get out of the house and
1:49:29 you know seven o'clock at night or
1:49:30 whatever it is so i like the mixed
1:49:33 approach because not everything works
1:49:34 for everyone but um just wanted to
1:49:36 advocate for i don't think in person's
1:49:38 the only option i think you'd get a
1:49:40 variety of stakeholders with a variety
1:49:41 of methods
1:49:43 yeah i agree totally on that marlene i
1:49:45 think moving forward we've learned the
1:49:47 lesson that having a hybrid is good um
1:49:51 to maybe have a little of both and you
1:49:53 know proper timing and you know what
1:49:56 and jen could really determine what you
1:49:59 know what what's going to work best for
1:50:01 the timing of her
1:50:03 issues
1:50:04 you know
1:50:06 because probably all three of these
1:50:08 anchor parks we could probably use a
1:50:10 little of both of those strategies
1:50:16 any other comments
1:50:17 questions on this topic
1:50:22 not seeing anything i guess jen um
1:50:26 give you another five minutes how about
1:50:27 for dog park
1:50:39 brad i think i can do this one faster
1:50:41 than five so bear with me i'm gonna talk
1:50:45 so real quick we're here to provide you
1:50:46 an update on the pop-up dog park tour
1:50:54 just real quick a recap as to where
1:50:57 we've been regarding the dog park the
1:51:00 fact when the pandemic hits um there
1:51:03 were multiple factors that really hit
1:51:05 the permanent dog park
1:51:07 project one the pandemic we had some
1:51:10 budget and staffing
1:51:12 um issues that took some funding as well
1:51:15 as staff capacity in order to work with
1:51:17 it we also learned the typical valley
1:51:19 park master plan update was required in
1:51:21 order to proceed
1:51:23 with um adding a dog park at the site
1:51:26 and also during that time we were asked
1:51:29 to explore some ideas for some an
1:51:31 interim option
1:51:32 which uh we came to you back in
1:51:34 september of last year to talk about
1:51:37 some temporary options for dog park
1:51:41 and we uh proceeded with some pop-up
1:51:44 options
1:51:46 not taking our eye off the permanent dog
1:51:48 park but what can we do in the interim
1:51:50 to relieve some um pressure and need
1:51:53 within the community
1:51:56 so last year this cute little dog was
1:51:58 our little mascot for the year for the
1:52:01 2021 pop-up dog park tour
1:52:04 and we went to three different sites it
1:52:06 was pickering barn squawk valley park
1:52:09 and then
1:52:10 over to the community center
1:52:14 and we just recently um in october did
1:52:17 an online survey really asking people
1:52:21 um what sites did they visit and come to
1:52:24 find out 55 59 of people that visited
1:52:27 the community center site 44 pickering
1:52:31 and 70 or 40 percent um squawk valley
1:52:34 park and 13
1:52:36 um didn't visit any of them
1:52:39 we also asked what frequency
1:52:42 uh and mode of transportation most
1:52:44 people um drove 76 of people drove
1:52:49 uh to the site
1:52:50 we also asked people if they would
1:52:52 continue to use the pop-up dog park site
1:52:55 and 71 percent of people said yes they
1:52:58 would
1:52:59 um when we go down we ask some other
1:53:01 questions and all the write-in answers
1:53:04 are posted on the website so if you'd
1:53:06 like to read them you're more than
1:53:07 welcome to but overall i'm going to jump
1:53:10 to the bottom in the essence of time
1:53:13 86.3 percent
1:53:15 of people
1:53:16 had on a one to five scale voted three
1:53:19 to five in favorable
1:53:24 use of the park and thought it was a
1:53:25 great overall experience and then people
1:53:28 really enjoy getting out and meeting
1:53:30 their neighbors and their friends as i
1:53:32 mentioned the survey results are
1:53:34 available on the project web page
1:53:40 getting the feedback from the community
1:53:42 and uh we have submitted a special
1:53:45 events permit um to the planning
1:53:47 department we are proposing for the 21
1:53:50 to 22 dog park tour
1:53:52 um we have this lovely gold retrievers
1:53:55 our mascot for this year
1:53:57 and we're going to be um kicking it off
1:54:00 this year's tour at the community center
1:54:02 november through january we'll move it
1:54:05 to squawk valley park
1:54:06 and then we'll come back
1:54:08 uh for june through october at the
1:54:10 community center as well
1:54:14 so with that um i will gladly take any
1:54:18 questions on this year's dog park tour
1:54:24 thank you jennifer
1:54:27 any comments questions from the board
1:54:31 i think it was a good success
1:54:33 do you have something zach
1:54:36 i was just curious at what point would
1:54:37 it transition to a permanent dog park is
1:54:40 it opposed to the pop-up is that
1:54:50 yeah so the permanent dog park we had
1:54:52 gone through a planning process and it
1:54:53 was intended to be a tibbetts valley
1:54:55 park we went through a site selection
1:54:57 process however
1:54:59 we were
1:55:00 told by our planning department that we
1:55:01 need to do a master plan update
1:55:04 in order to do that and so that's what
1:55:07 we were doing as part of the tibbetts
1:55:09 valley park anchor park
1:55:11 master plan update it would be to
1:55:13 include that in there so um we still
1:55:15 have our eye on the permanent dog park
1:55:18 um but in the meantime we're doing this
1:55:21 pop-up
1:55:22 um okay
1:55:24 so yeah and zach really quickly this is
1:55:26 jeff watling for you know if we were to
1:55:29 consider uh
1:55:30 even one of these pop-up dog parks to
1:55:32 become a permanent dog park there would
1:55:34 be a permitting process that we would
1:55:36 need to go through
1:55:38 um there'd be some probably some
1:55:40 budgetary decisions as well in terms of
1:55:42 you know converting something from
1:55:43 temporary to permanent um
1:55:47 a number of steps we would need to take
1:55:49 to do that we couldn't just declare it
1:55:53 the permanent park uh what potentially
1:55:57 in 2023 you think or do you have any
1:56:00 forecast
1:56:04 no forecast within the park cip we
1:56:07 identified
1:56:08 some investment some further investment
1:56:10 in a permanent dog park
1:56:12 i think as we've done this this dog park
1:56:14 tour and as we embark on this one the
1:56:16 second year
1:56:18 i think there's some community
1:56:19 conversations that we're going to want
1:56:20 to have and some conversations with you
1:56:22 all as a park board and and i think
1:56:24 through the anchor park conversation at
1:56:28 i think what we've learned with a dog
1:56:30 park tour i'll throw this out as a
1:56:32 question
1:56:33 maybe for a future meeting but
1:56:38 as we look at issaquah and our land use
1:56:40 and the park land we have currently and
1:56:44 the pressures we have on the park land
1:56:46 to do a variety of things
1:56:49 we might want to consider
1:56:52 maybe we're not a one dog park town
1:56:55 maybe we're we're
1:56:56 um we have multiple dog parks within
1:56:59 within our system and might we consider
1:57:04 yeah a combination thereof where you
1:57:06 know as we're planning the dog park at
1:57:09 tibbetts and and scaling that for the
1:57:11 conversation there do we consider
1:57:13 one of these um pop-up sites as well as
1:57:16 a permanent dog park
1:57:18 we don't necessarily have to be
1:57:19 precluded to one and only one so
1:57:22 more conversation to have throughout 22
1:57:25 as we start to frame up what uh 2023
1:57:28 looks like
1:57:30 thanks jeff
1:57:32 comments question uh danielle
1:57:35 the questions you guys have um can you
1:57:37 tell us like how this um the grass held
1:57:39 up and
1:57:40 you know in those various sites and were
1:57:43 there a lot of repairs that had to be
1:57:44 made or was it
1:57:46 kind of
1:57:47 great question so step down the field
1:57:50 yeah pick ring um barn got a little
1:57:52 muddy during the season
1:57:55 um we were able to once we moved the
1:57:58 park go and go in and do some top
1:58:01 dressing with some sand um do some light
1:58:04 grading and reseeding and you wouldn't
1:58:06 know it got tore up it
1:58:08 looks great
1:58:11 again experiencing a little wear and
1:58:13 tear in some of the high use areas
1:58:15 around the entrance but something that
1:58:17 we can easily
1:58:19 address and re-establish in time when
1:58:22 especially when the dog park moves to
1:58:24 the other site one thing at squawk
1:58:26 valley park
1:58:28 there were a lot of mall activity out
1:58:30 there in the green shield and so
1:58:32 we had some dogs that did some digging
1:58:34 out there uh to try and find some walls
1:58:38 um but nothing that wasn't that was
1:58:40 catastrophic it was very easy for park
1:58:42 staff to go out and fix and um reseed
1:58:45 those areas we needed to contend with
1:58:48 mole hills out there anyways so
1:58:51 it ended up being a win-win out there as
1:58:54 so is there a reason why pickering isn't
1:58:56 in the
1:58:58 tour this next time yeah we um we
1:59:01 weren't getting a lot of use because of
1:59:03 covered restrictions at as a rental
1:59:05 facility at that time and so it was a
1:59:08 good space for us to be able to use
1:59:10 however
1:59:11 a lot of those restrictions are now
1:59:12 lifted and there's a lot more activity
1:59:14 and gatherings and weddings happening at
1:59:17 pickering so we felt it was best to just
1:59:20 avoid potential conflicts
1:59:23 with other uses and so we opted to
1:59:27 add an additional round at the community
1:59:30 center
1:59:30 yeah in particular demands on the
1:59:32 parking lot
1:59:34 on weekends or during those rentals we
1:59:36 didn't want to we didn't want to create
1:59:38 a a community conflict
1:59:42 any other comments or questions
1:59:44 about dog park
1:59:47 and not seeing any looks like uh moving
1:59:50 on to director's report it's up to you
1:59:55 brad i'm gonna let you go first i have a
1:59:57 couple quick updates but please go ahead
1:59:59 as chair
2:00:00 um i only had a couple quick things one
2:00:03 is we're going to try and arrange an ad
2:00:05 hoc meeting to
2:00:07 with the group of us four
2:00:10 and jeff is going to join us for a
2:00:12 discussion about um
2:00:15 the six-year cip
2:00:18 and so jeff's going to put something out
2:00:21 here in the near future about a proposed
2:00:23 meeting for next week
2:00:27 because he wants to have some feedback
2:00:29 before he goes before the task force on
2:00:31 the 16th
2:00:33 and it'd be a good time for us to get
2:00:35 together and talk about all of that as
2:00:37 well so more on that we're kind of
2:00:41 tentatively looking at wednesday but um
2:00:44 we'll see how that works out
2:00:47 uh speaking of task force i did since
2:00:50 our last meeting i did i have joined two
2:00:53 task force meetings one on october 5th
2:00:56 and the other one on the 19th
2:00:58 one on october 5th really the focus was
2:01:00 about
2:01:02 revenue sources
2:01:03 so i'm a little more up to beat on that
2:01:05 and i've given some information out to
2:01:08 the ad hoc committee about that
2:01:10 primarily
2:01:12 the main thing for capital on
2:01:15 revenue sources for parks
2:01:17 there's some funding coming from the
2:01:19 american rescue plan which is the
2:01:22 kind of a coveted federal
2:01:25 cares act kind of thing
2:01:28 several million dollars that's come to
2:01:29 the city for that that needs to be
2:01:31 distributed
2:01:33 also impact fees real estate excise
2:01:36 taxes
2:01:38 and the metro park district which is
2:01:41 kind of one thing that jeff wants to
2:01:42 give us some more information about in
2:01:44 our ad hoc meeting next week as well as
2:01:47 to the task force when we meet again in
2:01:49 november
2:01:50 that looks to be real curious as a
2:01:52 potential sustainability
2:01:54 type funding um future funding for parks
2:01:57 so we'll learn more about that
2:02:00 as i understand it brad i'm sorry as i
2:02:02 understand it that the capital funding
2:02:05 task force itself is curious about that
2:02:07 and is
2:02:08 is asking for more information okay i
2:02:10 just wanted to
2:02:12 which is why you're involved for the
2:02:14 whole divided right yep
2:02:16 thanks and then on the 19th uh october
2:02:19 we uh our recent last meeting really
2:02:21 talked more about city priorities
2:02:25 and the interesting thing about that was
2:02:28 a lot of this information
2:02:30 that the task force reviewed that came
2:02:33 from the city focused more on surveys
2:02:35 that have come from the community
2:02:39 and a breakdown of that really the
2:02:41 interesting thing was parks rated pretty
2:02:43 high as as to be expected it was like
2:02:46 the fifth highest in terms of importance
2:02:49 to the community
2:02:51 but it didn't rank in the top 10
2:02:54 priorities for the city moving forward
2:02:57 and and the explanation for that is
2:02:59 because parks is looked upon very
2:03:01 favorably
2:03:03 and so that the
2:03:05 currently the
2:03:07 top ten priorities are
2:03:10 what is the biggest need from the city
2:03:13 and what is the lowest performance of
2:03:15 all of those needs so that that's
2:03:18 kind of still up for discussion but
2:03:20 that's kind of why parks didn't fall
2:03:22 within the top ten
2:03:24 uh and i'm still
2:03:27 i'm still arguing for that but we'll see
2:03:29 how that goes
2:03:31 so anyway those are our two items in
2:03:33 october revenue sources and city
2:03:35 priorities we'll meet again and i'm
2:03:37 going to continue to update the board at
2:03:40 meetings until we get to the end of this
2:03:43 which is in january
2:03:46 so that's all i had
2:03:48 so i'll move this on to jeff for his
2:03:51 piece
2:03:53 great thanks brad and thanks again for
2:03:55 for serving on that capital funding
2:03:58 funding group and your time on that
2:04:00 um just a quick thank you for tonight uh
2:04:03 the two discussion items the two
2:04:05 non-departmental items we had before
2:04:07 just really appreciate your attention
2:04:09 and your focus i know
2:04:13 again city code is so complex um title
2:04:16 18 is so complex uh these are these are
2:04:19 both conversations that and newport are
2:04:21 conversations that are definitely going
2:04:24 continue to evolve with or into 2022
2:04:29 just understanding there's a really
2:04:31 important parks perspective for both of
2:04:33 those projects
2:04:35 really inviting and creating opportunity
2:04:37 for all of you to lend voice throughout
2:04:39 that process and that not just at the
2:04:41 tail end as a as a real goal that we
2:04:43 have so thanks so much for
2:04:45 uh for your your time and thoughts on
2:04:49 to the public comment i was gonna i was
2:04:50 gonna mention that uh dave and connie
2:04:52 thank you for putting me squarely in the
2:04:54 middle of both of you um i guess i just
2:04:57 would want to say that uh that was not
2:04:59 my intent in conversations with dave or
2:05:02 connie i would say from what i heard
2:05:04 tonight
2:05:05 it's a bit of yes to both of what they
2:05:07 were saying
2:05:08 and i think the park strategic plan and
2:05:10 green necklace tried to identify that
2:05:12 very thing that yes as as
2:05:15 as we work through what east-west
2:05:17 corridors are real priorities
2:05:20 in our connectivity and in
2:05:23 pedestrian improvements and and trail
2:05:26 improvements
2:05:27 yes we should identify ultimately what
2:05:30 the mountains to sound greenway trail is
2:05:33 and make sure that's a a common thread
2:05:35 that goes through but it also in our
2:05:38 planning effort we need to realize it's
2:05:39 not the only east-west corridor that's
2:05:42 going to be important uh within
2:05:44 um the the city's green necklace and
2:05:46 pedestrian systems so
2:05:48 um i would just respond yes to both of
2:05:51 those please don't put me in in between
2:05:53 the two of you
2:05:54 um and then lastly really really fast
2:05:58 along with all of this other work that's
2:05:59 going on
2:06:01 we continue to navigate
2:06:03 covid in this post-pandemic world most
2:06:06 recently as of today monday october 25th
2:06:10 we are
2:06:11 with the revised king county public
2:06:13 health order are now
2:06:16 requiring vaccine verification at our
2:06:20 recreation facilities this is true of
2:06:22 every recreation facility within king
2:06:24 county so ours included
2:06:26 so the community center the senior
2:06:28 center the pool and pickering barn
2:06:31 all require vaccine verification
2:06:34 to take part in programs and services
2:06:38 recreation staff we've worked really
2:06:39 hard at developing a system to try and
2:06:42 do that effectively
2:06:43 whether you're coming for a city a
2:06:46 direct city service or program or
2:06:49 whether you're a rental group we have a
2:06:51 couple of different processes in place
2:06:52 to do that
2:06:54 we've met with our colleagues from other
2:06:56 east side cities to make sure we're
2:06:58 being consistent in how we
2:07:00 uh implement that public health order so
2:07:02 if you hear questions at all from the
2:07:04 community
2:07:05 i'm asking these changes please know you
2:07:07 can direct them to me i just want to
2:07:09 give a big kudos to our recreation staff
2:07:12 this has been a hard 18 months as we've
2:07:14 navigated the entire pandemic
2:07:18 this verification process is something
2:07:20 we're going to take very seriously
2:07:22 but their work is
2:07:24 not to be um unnoticed i certainly
2:07:27 recognize and i i hope the whole
2:07:29 community recognizes the the terrific
2:07:31 work that they've been doing in
2:07:33 keeping those safe and healthy uh
2:07:35 facilities
2:07:37 looks like there might have been a few
2:07:38 hands up
2:07:40 uh ruben you had something yeah i was
2:07:42 just wondering on if
2:07:44 if your patrons are vaccinated i'm
2:07:47 thinking of myself if you're if you buy
2:07:49 one of those
2:07:50 passes for the for the year and you've
2:07:52 been fully vaccinated
2:07:54 can that be identified on the card or do
2:07:56 you have to show a separate uh proofing
2:07:59 each time great question so what you're
2:08:02 referring to is the gold pass or any
2:08:04 other sort of registration we have
2:08:06 as you're within our registration system
2:08:09 uh once you show it that first time uh
2:08:12 front desk staff will
2:08:14 make a note of that on your perfect mind
2:08:16 account so next time you come and pop in
2:08:20 uh we we've realized we've seen that
2:08:22 verification already so our goal is to
2:08:24 not make it every single time you need
2:08:26 to come in once you're verified
2:08:28 thank you
2:08:30 and jeff for those it's mass requirement
2:08:32 in addition to
2:08:36 correct correct mass are still required
2:08:38 indoors as well yep
2:08:42 any other questions for jeff on his part
2:08:46 not seeing any i guess we're on to mr
2:08:48 patience ryan thank you so much for not
2:08:51 only joining us but waiting to the very
2:08:52 end of our meetings before you get a
2:08:54 chance to offer your uh voice so thank
2:08:57 you it's your turn
2:08:59 i'll give the the quick two-minute
2:09:01 rundown
2:09:02 uh so the first thing i have is that i
2:09:04 am no longer going to be a lone wolf on
2:09:06 the parks board uh another member of the
2:09:08 advisory board uh named sean is in the
2:09:11 process of i believe joining me probably
2:09:13 either next month or the month after
2:09:15 uh sean this is his sixth year on the
2:09:17 board so he's been around for a long
2:09:19 time i know he's really excited to join
2:09:21 um and then in terms of what the board
2:09:23 has been up to
2:09:25 early on in october we held our
2:09:26 elections so we have a new leadership
2:09:29 team of seven people i'm the community
2:09:30 service chair so that's really exciting
2:09:32 i'm looking forward to working with a
2:09:35 great group for my last year
2:09:38 uh for the most part we've been working
2:09:41 uh you know figuring out which events
2:09:42 we're actually going to be able to do
2:09:43 we've been brainstorming
2:09:45 long long lists of events so we've been
2:09:47 working on narrowing that list down and
2:09:48 actually putting dates on the calendar
2:09:50 so hopefully starting up next month
2:09:51 we'll be able to start planning and
2:09:53 execute some events soon
2:09:57 outstanding thank you so much for that
2:10:01 so i guess we've come to the end here
2:10:03 any other business or announcements from
2:10:05 anyone
2:10:07 not seeing any sorry we ran over about
2:10:09 10 minutes but uh you have to factor in
2:10:11 that it's really a net savings because
2:10:13 you're not having to commute to these
2:10:15 meetings anymore and so
2:10:17 in reality you're actually saving time
2:10:21 with that thank you all for your
2:10:23 attendance and
2:10:25 participation and we'll all see you next
2:10:29 and with that thank you meeting is
2:10:31 adjourned thank you
2:10:32 hey thanks good night everybody good
2:10:34 night everybody