there we go okay welcome everybody
ladies and gentlemen to the public
hearing for the proposed permit
amendments for calc re phases two and
three we'll have a presentation by the
development services director Keith
Niven and then probably some discussion
from the applicant and then we'll open
up the discussion for some public
comments and we're looking forward to
that we really really do appreciate the
public turning out coming out and
offering their comments so please feel
bold when you talk and and make sure if
you'd like to speak that you sign in so
we can keep track of that we have some
administrative business first we want to
approve our minutes from our September
6th meeting and so I'll ask the
commissioners does anybody have a motion
about the minutes mr. chair
real quick before we move approval I do
have an amendment minor minor member to
page 9 of 10 of the minutes under
Brennan the word medium should be median
so removal of median and trees which was
the other than that mr. chair I move
approval of the September 6 meeting
minutes second can I hold you guys off
for a second
I believe the staff noticed something in
the minutes I don't believe that Robert
Bach or Carl Swedberg were at the last
meeting it's crazy so they should their
name should be stricken as far as
members present on page 5 of 30
if you say so this last meeting was not
there where Andy Harris was not there
last okay you see great with those
amendments mr. chair I'd move approval
the meeting minutes second any
discussion further discussion all those
in favor say aye aye all opposed
motion is carried so so I'm going to
turn over the steering wheel to Dan
Martinez a new planner for development
services and he's going to lead us
through this conversation this evening
so good evening commissioners thank you
for your service and for being here
tonight and I'm sorry is this is better
here all right great thank you for
letting me know and I again want to
think that the public your your input is
very much appreciated so we're here for
the second meeting of the Cal khari
phases two and three the first thing
that we want to address is the briefing
response memo that was written regarding
the comments and concerns that we
received at the last meeting on
September 6th now I actually want to
give the commissioners the option of I'm
happy to go through each of the issues
and discuss staffs first and the
applicants response or I can just leave
it open to two questions that you may
have about particular issues
my my excuse my ignorance is this public
document so the people the people that
have made comments would have the chance
to read those that response yes that
that response is available on the
website now and is it is part of the
packet that that was issued for tonight
and so for those who signed up last
meeting this my understanding is as this
packet went out to all of them remember
that was part of the request to go ahead
and sign up even if they weren't going
to speak so that they could get a copy
of the briefing response memo so my hope
is that anyone who was here last time
got a copy of this in advance of
tonight's meeting and if not please let
us know I I do have additional copies if
anybody it any of the commissioners or
members of the public would would like
one great yeah the applicants gonna make
a presentation is it yeah so first we're
gonna go through the briefing response
memo then the applicants gonna make a
presentation then I assume you guys will
open it up for additional public
comments okay
mr. chair question on the staff report
and the application and the response
that we received it was very well put
together I do have a question on page 7
of 22 on or either page 21 of 36 under
the traffic issue on the last paragraph
prepared by the staff this is there's no
plan to install a signal light
Wildwood and sunset can you expand on
that a little bit so there was an issue
raised both in email and at the last
meeting with regards to an idea that had
been floated around I'm unaware as to
whether that idea came from staff the
applicant or if it was just floated
around and in the neighborhood but that
there would be a traffic signal
installed at Wildwood and sunrise and
there there were some concerns about
that folks didn't feel that it was
necessary staff concurs with that and
our traffic engineers have determined
that it does not meet the criteria for
requiring a signal which is why that's
in there so there are no plans to
install a signal at Wildwood and sunrise
the criteria is that of the mod model
that we talked about this is where they
cross sunrise sunrise and Wildwood so
the traffic warrants for a signal
installation I'm not a traffic engineer
so I'll share my knowledge there's
there's a number of warrants that need
to be met some have to do with safety
and others have to do with delay so for
example you know if if you have to wait
so long at an intersection to get out
because there's no gaps in the queue you
could make a decision that might be a
poor decision which would then likely
lead to a traffic accident all right so
that's a that's a delay issue that can
result in a safety concern which could
then generate the need for the
installation of a traffic light based on
the volumes
at this intersection of Wildwood and
sunrise they're not enough trips going
through this intersection to warrant the
installation of a traffic light and so
therefore because it doesn't meet the
warrants you don't put one in because
where you put a traffic light in where
it's not warranted then people tend to
also make bad decisions at those type of
intersections so that's the that's the
guiding principles yeah correct me if
I'm wrong but I thought at one point in
time there was some talk about putting a
roundabout in that very intersection you
know I don't have the history on that
maybe somebody with deeper seeded
history in the audience that might be
speaking later could address that you
know I want to remind the Commission I
mean earlier the approval for Kelkar II
included phases 2 & 3 include 126 units
and now we're down to 72 so the
additional reduction in trips could also
be one of the reasons why we're not
talking about any traffic control at
sunrise in Wildwood other than the stop
sign so I don't know commissioner
whether or not there was a roundabout
ever discussed I know there are a number
of roundabouts being discussed on
Newport but I hadn't heard of any
migrating up into this neighborhood okay
thank you
and did the Commission have any other
questions regarding the contents of the
briefing response memo if you have a
question yeah on each 23 of 36 under a
landslide potential area in which I
think there's probably a bit of
community interest under the staff
report it says that the city's
consultant asked for additional
information corrections to the original
geotechnical report
all the details in geotechnical formula
or if you could summarize some of the
points that were requested by a Goldberg
I think on this is that correct
it's Golder associates so yes and I was
present at some of those meetings but
I'm also not a geotech engineer so I'm
gonna actually ask Richard if you're
comfortable putting that question on the
sidebar for right now cuz Ted shepper
from terror associates is here and I
believe could address your question
during the applicants presentation other
other questions or comments
I guess I've got one an unpaid 19 of 22
or 33 of 36 the last paragraph about the
wall supporting building aid and the
condition that it could be split up into
two into terrorists walls would that
change the amount of impervious surface
it would in place or just the amount of
disturbance and we might want to put a
map you know so part of there there were
a number of questions that came up about
this condition following the first
Commissioner meeting and you know one of
the you know one of the issues that was
brought up was the visual impact
potentially of that 20-foot wall
adjacent to the subdivision that's on
first place and so this condition really
is intended to lessen the visual impact
of that wall and he of it's basically
what it's gonna do is gonna it's gonna
because you're basically gonna offset
the wall you're taking a piece of
backyard for some of those units that
four-plex that's up there at the top of
the wall you're taking five feet of
their backyard and you're putting it
down in between the two walls so so
technically yes there's probably there
is some more impervious as you have now
two walls when you just had one
previously but I think what we heard
from the applicant was they're gonna
stay within their impervious allocation
and not ask for any additional so that's
still my understanding the chair
question so and maybe this is one that
the applicant may need to speak to but
I'll raise it now on page 33 or 36
there's a condition the center of the
page it talks about storm drainage
and the need for stormwater facilities
probably specifically around detention
it says that in the second sentence due
to a change in property ownership and
limitations on existing stormwater
facilities in the area the project may
need to increase detention or provide
additional capacity to existing public
facilities and so the question is I'm
not sure where on the property that's
going to happen and if it's a
significant facility it could have an
impact on the configuration of the
project so want to understand how that's
going to be addressed either through
staff or through the applicant a a
little bit of both so there was a
updated condition for H and condition n
those took place subsequent to the
briefing response memo and that was
actually going to be my next topic was
to to discuss those two updates they
were the result of public comment and
also coordination between staff and and
the applicant now with regards to the
actual location and the technical
aspects of it I will leave that to the
applicant I do want to refer to the
updated conditions condition H now
states that as noted in table on page
four of this briefing response memo
identified the project as best at prior
storm water approvals however the city
has identified some downstream concerns
the applicant has agreed to work with
the city on potential solutions to these
concerns the project will address the
downstream systems that may directly
impact be directly impacted by the
development or proposed alternate
solutions for dishes charge location so
and I'll unpack that a little bit so our
range of stormwater engineers had a
meeting
the applicant since the last Commission
meeting to try in the applicant was a
little concerned about the vagueness of
condition age and was hoping to pen it
in a little bit more so there was
conversation and and what would I
understand and I think the civil
engineers for the applicant will provide
a greater level of detail but we're
talking about the off-site discharge
points primarily so what you have in the
area is you have some existing erosion
of the banks of Issaquah Creek and so
that's a concern so as a discharge point
you know potentially doing something
that might exacerbate the existing
erosion issues is a problem but there's
also a city stormwater facility that
discharges to the wetland structure to
the I'm gonna guess that south and that
facility right now is for lack of more
technical term over capacity so in other
words it's a it's a cartridge filter
that leads to a level spreader the water
that's moving through that system is
moving too slowly so potentially adding
more water to something that's already
draining too slowly is not a good choice
so part of the conversations with the
applicant and why this condition and the
clarification which is which was read to
you by Dan is providing greater clarity
on what we're really talking about
relating to stormwater which is we need
to have some additional engineering to
figure out where's the water going to go
and how does it get there without
causing an impact to kind of the
sensitive areas that we have in this
vicinity I'll wait to hear more on the
tempted your appetite condition and was
as I mentioned it was the result of a
right
and concern we did receive three
additional comments after the briefing
response memo was issued so I have
copies of those available for you people
like them and I'll go through and it
dressed some of those but condition n no
construction traffic will be allowed to
use the cul-de-sac on Sunrise place or
first place as a turnaround the
condition will be placed on the site
work and building permits so concern
from the community we heard a little bit
at the last Commission meeting but then
as as Dan said we received additional
comments via email so so because we saw
that as a concern so if you take sunrise
place tasks Kelkar e
it ends in a I don't want to call it a
substandard cul-de-sac but it's a fairly
small cul-de-sac and one of the
residents expressed some concern about
construction traffic using that as a
turnaround and so we talked to the
applicant about adding a new condition
and that would basically say you know
you're gonna figure out with your
contractors to how to turn around on
site and not necessarily use the public
street system so we drafted that we sent
it out and then we got the me two emails
which was great so the you know the
comment was why not include first place
on that as well because there was a call
to stack on first place and you know why
why would we allow that and I don't
think the intent was to so so we changed
the condition to say first place and
sunrise place additional concerns and
comments that we received one was
related to play areas and I'm gonna
mention that now and hopefully the
applicant and
guess that further but there's some
concern amongst the Foothill residents
that there is not enough recreation
space in Kelkar e proper and that they
may be impacted by that in some way
second email that we received was
recommendation for approval and support
of the project from somebody who lives
in Cal Kerry phase 1 and lastly we
received some concerns the third email
was had touched on issues that were
addressed in the briefing response memo
it the only other thing was related to
construction at hours which they would
like limit it from 8 to 4 the city
standard for all projects is 7 to 6 so I
don't know that we're gonna that were in
a position to place that kind of
condition on the applicant other
comments
we're ready to hear from the applicant
all right so I'll go ahead and turn it
over to taste Antonin thank you
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good evening commission members members
of the public thank you for joining us
all this evening we're actually really
pleased to be here tonight my name is
David Macduff I'm vice president of
development with inter cork we're the
applicant are my address is four one one
South 1st Avenue
Seattle Washington 98 104 may I suggest
we were going to go through what is a
relatively brief but hopefully inspiring
presentation of what we've been working
on with city and staff for
two-and-a-half years we're really
excited about it
rich Wagner from Bayless will be our
chief presenter may I suggest we go
through that presentation first and then
in response to direct questions from the
Commission and/or public we do have a
plethora plethora of experts here who
can happily speak hopefully speak
appropriately to the level of the
questions the Commission it will
publicly yeah so with that I'd like to
turn the presentation over to Wagner
thank you David
my name is rich Widener I got to work on
this project its original inception back
in aught know it was 1990 something and
it was it was a wonderful project and
it's just thrilling for me personally to
be a part of this these next phases
I'm with bayless architects 100 801 Main
Street in Bellevue Washington 90 805 604
also tonight with us I want to bring up
another presentation here
every seems a little different thank you
this is just a preview slide of some of
those that we'll be looking at earlier
also on our team today this evening we
have representatives from core civil
engineers Tara geotechnical watershed
and traffic engineers Northwest and I
know that you're familiar with all these
in the city and that was one of the
reasons why we wanted to bring them to
the project because they have so much
experience in this community and
everything that goes on we're also
joined tonight by Cristie triple from
Raleigh properties and I and I feel that
it's always wonderful to see mr. skip
rally here thank you
I won't go any further I don't how much
staff already mentioned but I want to
highlight it this is an application to
approve a minor amendment to an already
approved project this is not a new
project application
mr. Nevin I think reported quite
extensively on that last time when he
went through all the amendments that
were being presented and had been
previously approved and any conditions
that we were looking to amend this
application is unique in that as a minor
amendment it's a level two process the
only reason we're bringing it forward is
for the purposes of transparency here as
a level two process staff has the
authority to decide whether it is a
minor amendment and the history on this
project shows that yes they have made
this decision and it is a minor
amendment I think to appreciate the
proposal though let me begin with with a
couple images that stays here these are
the existing facilities for those that
haven't had a chance to get out there in
a while
these are we brought these forward
because they were part of the I would
say the drivers of why phase two and
three look like it looks we wanted to
take not just our inspiration but in
fact much of the exact detailing in
color from the existing facilities
one of the things that really defines
kakari though we can talk about the
nuances of colors and things like that
but some of the things that really
define the architecture is the large
roof plane so what you see here and
although in hidden and the backside here
of this building but you know when you
drive up to Kelkar II the first thing
that hits you is these large roof planes
the next piece is all the modulation
that all the buildings have the exposed
timber detailing that all the buildings
have we've also been looking when you
get in a little detail up in the front
you see these architectural railings we
also have a one of the things we worked
with on kakari one was making sure the
units had plenty of light inside so
we're working with extra large windows
you know you always see the little
apartments with a little windows in them
that's not the case for Kelkar ii the
the multiple materials we're using
actually the original has bevel siding
shingle siding board and back and most
every place has this stone base that you
see here the colors that we that are
used now are all earth tones there's
probably a half dozen maybe eight or
nine colors that are used out there to
create some textures we want to carry
all those forward this is a slide of
some of the amenity spaces that are in
phase one certainly the clubhouse if
you've had a chance to be invited to a
reception or a party or some event there
it's been a spectacular ly well-received
and a wonderful place to be
it's highly detailed and it captures a
lot of the detailing that we hope to
advance to phase two and three this is
the barbecue area talk about some of the
open spaces and gathering spaces that
are in phase one this is definitely a
big one in fact I don't have a good
picture of it but right around the
corner come on over this way there's
this wonderful plaza looking out over
the creek now the creek
vegetation tends to get grown in so you
can't always exactly see the correct but
you can sure enjoy it and hear it and
then over on this side
there's this little fireplace area which
has been quite well received and I hope
that the current residents are able to
get use out of that especially in this
last summer there's a lot of gathering
places there's a courts over here
there's a child play area in the middle
and they're seating areas in phase one
but those are some of the areas that
help really define the character of the
existing facility chuckle I'd like to
talk a little bit about the proposed
buildings and I think you can see one of
our biggest goals was to create a
continuity of the architecture we are
using in the composition of this site
we're actually only using three unit
types and I'll walk through briefly on
those but they're combined in different
buildings and in different facades so
that as an example and a unit doesn't
always have the same facade as an a unit
it might vary and we think that's been a
big asset in terms of creating the
textures in the modulation that we're
going to see here this actually is unit
a what's interesting about unit a and
can everyone see this not in detail but
generally we're in focus pointing what
ask you this we can't hear you so ready
you're gonna have to take the mic with
you if you care
I'm not supposed to point it at you burn
a hole in your sweater
said faa-approved thank you the eight
units are along sunrise place these
units here and there along Cabin Creek
one of the reasons we wanted to use the
a unit in this particular configuration
was again they have the large roof
planes so they helped capture the the
character the other thing that we're
using the 80 units war is on these years
there are no garage is facing the front
all of these are porches and and Stoops
that'll come out with sidewalks to the
street here and sidewalks alone Cabin
Creek the eight units the the key there
is all of the accesses for the parking
is to the back but the other bonus here
is there are only two stories the B
units similarly this one does have
parking these are what we're calling our
downhill units or off often called
daylight basement units where the garage
and the in trees are on the front
bedrooms are on the top and below and in
the basement down below or the lower
level is other media spaces this the
artist captured this tree one of the
things that you'll see and you know all
of our renderings is we're trying to
maintain that tree and I know that for
those who've been here a long long time
that tree has been preserved in every
scheme that I think we've ever presented
to you the uphill units these are occur
here in phase 3 and basically they're
the unit that allow us to tuck the unit
up into the hill a little bit and heal
that in but we're trying to make sure
the depths of those are not they're
shallow this is another great example of
where you can see the large roofs all
the modulated forms and they're
modulated not only horizontally but
vertically
the exposed timber detailing will all
come out here again large windows
architectural railings and again the
same materials sightings colors that are
being used in Kelkar e1 we think in all
of this we've put together a pretty
compelling solution but I'd like to talk
a little bit about ok how do we how do
we make sure it's a minor amendment and
still it's consistent with what was
approved in order to do that I'm going
to do some comparison graphics here of
original and proposed this is actually
the original site plan that was approved
years ago you might recognize concept
engineers a little logo down here the
plan itself this is sunrise coming
through Cabin Creek was proposed through
here and it is it's it's built and we're
not moving that in any of the projects
the access to phase 3 has always been
here and will remain here the buildings
for phase 1 completed here including the
clubhouse phase 2 these buildings are
here and remember these are four-story
buildings sometimes very close to the
street as you can see here in phase 3
the same building type or the same
building look lines along the grade here
up into phase 3 and the road access is
in behind the buildings here we've tried
to capture this and there's there's an
exhibit in your packet called exhibit 1
but we've realized it's kind of hard to
read so we've broken it down here into
the various layers and it gives you a
much better understanding of what we're
proposing I think one of the first
things to know is that this is a story
of less it's we are working with less
units less building square footage less
traffic less site disturbance less
retaining walls and less critical areas
impacts the arrangement that you can see
here is built out I think I spoke to the
entrances here and sunrise
continues phase two is this area right
here who's graded at the end of phase
two one
so it's it's pretty self-explanatory as
to how that could have been developed
and now we're using many of those same
grades in that open space the from the
very beginning our goal on this whole
project was to minimize the land
disturbance and the impervious surfaces
that's why we've got the narrower
streets a little tighter buildings the
buildings don't have as much of depth as
you might usually see in townhomes in
this market this is the approved plan
and one of the things that you'll notice
is the open space that surrounds the
entire area as a part of our final
project we are going to be keeping 15
acres in open space and forests the next
thing I wanted to look at was kind of
how do we unpack this this is the
disturbed areas that were included in
the original approval and you can see
especially in areas like this in Phase
two where we're encroaching quite a bit
into that slope the trail for your
reference is a very dim line you can see
right through here crosses the street
and continues up this way in our
proposal you'll see we're going to try
and really stay out of that the area of
disturbance in fact I'll bring it up
later is actually reduced by 10% again
this this this is the acreage here that
will be preserved
when I say preserved I want to highlight
that it's not only being developed here
but it's going to remain in the
ownership and control of the homeowners
association and it will probably have
some easements through it as well the
for ownership excuse me if I Drive dive
in a little bit further than to some of
the how do we get to face to our
proposal this shows the same streets
here cabin creek goes through here we've
laid in what our buildings are going to
look like now the access lanes here
phase 2 3 is the same way here and you
can see by the location of this line
this kind of teal green line how much
we're really pulling back from some of
these critical areas that we really
didn't want to get into the if I if I
take this and then overlay all the
exhibits now this is the one that's in
your packet but I think you can see
where so many of the amendments that are
going to be proposed actually lay I'd
like to take a little bit of time then
and talk about our particular site plan
with everything else kind of screened
down this brings out the buildings and
it's the same site plan you see well
it's oriented differently in our site
plan to the left is north and I have to
admit when you're out on this site or
when you're trying to study it it's
really easy to get confused about where
your compass lines are the excuse me
one of the things you'll see right away
is is the streets here and here and up
into here and this street here in Kelkar
II all the streets existing are private
roads and what we're proposing in these
is that they too will remain private
roads the trail connections that we've
talked about here that come through
these trails actually lead into these
woods I think one of the speakers from
the public know reminded us last two
weeks ago what a wonderful journey it is
to go up into there so we're going to
put these in say yeah it's amazing I
remember when we did the original
project one of the goals was to market
it to people who would come home put on
their boots and head up the hill and I
understand from residents that that
happens a lot
at least the residents that do that tell
me it's a lot the the only thing we're
gonna really affect in this trail issue
here is if I go back there's a little
area right here where the trail comes up
and we're gonna rebuild this stairway
and move it I don't maybe ten feet to
the south or to the east a little bit so
it's it's a minor amendment here that
were that will help get the traffic
through and up to this three and be able
to give them good passes across the
street sidewalks I want to zoom in a
little bit on this area right here this
is basically Phase two and I'd say this
because I want to highlight a couple of
mornings
here first of all is the sidewalks we're
gonna complete the sidewalks on Cabin
Creek all the way through here so you
can actually walk without going through
the drug road we're gonna add a sidewalk
on the other side of the road all the
way along all the way down to this Lane
intersection all the crosswalks that
we're going to have will be concrete
crosswalks are not just painted stripes
the sidewalk as it goes into the project
again in Phase two and similarly you'll
see in Phase three wherever there's a
front door
it's serviced by a sidewalk this is the
B units that downhill units these are
the eight units that are on the sidewalk
here for Cabin Creek landscaping we
expect the landscaping to be very robust
we've got one of the premier landscapers
on our team in this area the all the
buffers because we're gonna pull out of
this we definitely want to do some
heavier buffering around here if you're
curious it was right in this area where
the we talked to staff about doing the
double retaining walls the landscaping
they were going to be using will be very
similar to the landscaping that is
existing in phase one primarily because
we want not just the architecture to
look similar but the whole site
experience to be similar and we'll be
doing substantial buffer enhancements
the little closer look at some of these
areas this is the overall site plan this
is faced to here and here this is Phase
three
the question came up about parks and
open space we've got we don't have a
formal park if you will but I think we
have a lot of play areas for children
and we have a lot of open space within
the project
the play areas excuse me this area right
here as you can see is picnic benches
looking out over the steep slopes here
that we're going to maintain this area
over here is actually a little pocket
park for the the play area it's going to
have climbing rocks some jungle gym
stuff and again a place for mom and dad
or the big brother to keep their eye out
up in phase two or phase three first of
all you'll be able to get there crossing
the road here we're going to intersect
where you'd actually cross with a trail
that comes up through this hillside
stops at this kind of picnic outlook
area looking out over this wetland again
preserving the tree and along this
particular trail we're going to do a dry
creek bed well I say dry creek bed we
hope it's got water in it but we don't
want to over promise that there's a lot
of water in the site but if you drive by
and there's nothing flowing that's why I
wanted to footnote that the at the south
end of Phase three we've got this
hammerhead turn around and that was
discussed a little bit last week but in
that hammerhead turn around we hate to
just see it lay fallow you know or do we
want people parking in that at any time
so we're proposing this is that
hammerhead as a play area with things
like hopscotch and cross ball again
places for parents and dolt and shoal
big brothers sisters to look out over
them but this is also a very enjoyable
space because it looks out over this
entire wetland area these are not just
drawn or painted they're actually going
to be laid in architectural II I'm going
to take a quick run through these I
don't want to say too much but as I
mentioned we've got three different unit
types a B and C the floor plans this is
this is aid and I mentioned this because
when you look at the graphics the 3d
graphics I want you to know that they're
real they're not they're not an artist
concept of something that might happen
we actually worked very closely with the
renderer on these to make sure that they
were showing exactly what we wanted this
shows that the floor plans have been
worked out the elevations have been
worked out and in particular our
references to the building materials
these are pictures taken right out of
coke re1 this is building B similarly to
the existing materials and again
similarly to the large roofs and the
fenestrations unit C in fact in all of
these units you'll also notice that we
did some side views so this allowed us
to calculate Heights and make sure that
we're within the bounds of that goal it
also shows how much great change happens
between say this is the basement
building I highlight these like I said
because I want you to know that the
artists renderings when you're looking
at them are the result of some studied
solutions that are not just pretty
pictures I talked a lot about less I'd
like to actually put some numbers behind
them so excuse me this is our commitment
which is in your packet to the colors
and materials units a B and C how we
think those will go and again these will
be refined in the actual permit drawings
and when aiwei's when I say refined I
want to speak highly of staff when we
talk to them about that because if you
think staff lets us get away with
anything that would be a
misunderstanding I've talked a lot about
less so I wanted to actually put some
numbers on the table here for you to
consider the unit count is down in
phases two and three we originally had
126 we now have 72 43% reduction the
gross building area the units are a
little bigger now we're about 22%
reduction bigger than what the Congo
apartments are the building levels I
just spoke of this this is actually very
important all of the buildings in the
original approval and in Kelkar e1 are
four storeys all the buildings in ELQ re
2 and 3 will be 3 storeys
the width I highlight the width because
it gives you the impression of the mass
these existing buildings and those
proposed in the original plan 185 feet
to 200 feet we're proposing 50 to 125
feet 38 percent reduction traffic our
traffic engineer has done a lot of
studies on these things
and I will tell you too that I'll come
back to that it's all of our work has
been peer-reviewed the traffic the daily
trips are dropping by 49 percent and
more to the point I think as we all
travel to and from work the am peak
trips drop to 61 percent or of what was
originally approved and the PMP trips
accordingly drop as well
staff mentioned that the traffic that
was actually the the fees to mitigate
the traffic impacts for all of these
were in place in the original proposal
the site disturbance phases 2 & 3 a bit
of a decrease there 10% 24,000 feet I
mean that's a half acre that were we're
gonna stay clear up the other thing I
might note on that is in the original
proposal we were doing a lot of work in
wetland what's now called wetland one
and we are no longer in needing to do
that work we're taking advantage if you
will of the 12 to 15 years of growth
that have happened in there
there's no reason for us to go in there
anymore
retaining walls have dropped off to 11
percent of what was originally approved
and in pervious areas there's a little
bit of a bump here I put this here
because this is what the data shows in
your packet but as staff reported based
on meetings earlier this week and late
last week the applicant is committed to
balancing out the impervious areas in
phases 1 2 & 3 so that they equal what
was previously approved
the thing I mentioned a couple times the
changing in the mass of the buildings so
I put this graphic together to really
give you an impression of what would be
changing this is the building si member
these are the ones on the uphill of
Phase three these for your reference our
building aids these the ones along the
street if the original proposal would be
implemented this is what the backs of
those buildings would look like and this
is what the Front's of the buildings
would look like so I think you can see
we're seeing a substantial reduction in
the impacts certainly the visual impacts
and the mass impact that would be up
along the road one of the things I've
been particularly concerned about as we
work through this was how the buildings
come up to sunrise place the the other
highlight here is again only two storeys
and front porches when you're when
you're coming home from work that's the
impression you'll have as you drive by
the Phase two I think you can see that
all these are less and thus our
conclusion of the minor amendments a
couple comments on the detail I think
when we talk about technical reports
we've done a pile of technical reports
and I want to make sure that the concept
of peer review is understood that's
basically where the city hires another
consultant to look at our work it's
typically spelled PE er as if we're
collaborating but it often feels like PE
AR over our shoulders so that did occur
on all of these and we wanted to make
sure too that you understood that those
reports were done very early in our work
and so they drove our decisions on how
to develop the site they weren't
developed to justify what we were doing
they were and they actually tuned our
designs all the way through the process
the
less is more I think we're confident the
proposed minor amendment before you this
evening will provide less impact it will
help secure the critical areas it'll
make for a safe neighborhood and again
it preserves 15 acres of the lands
around the site so I want to thank you
for your time you know I know you guys
make it so far better and I think you do
it every two weeks I actually worked on
the Renton Planning Commission for 14
years so I know the commitment that it
takes to be here and I want to thank you
for that especially we want to thank you
for your diligence in reading everything
we presented we hope that tonight and I
want to emphasize tonight our approach
has been so compelling that you're able
to endorse the application this evening
with that I'll close and I think we had
some technical questions come up already
if those are still on the table okay Ted
could you talk to us a little bit about
slope stability good evening
commissioners Ted shepper president of
terror associates 12 to 2100 and 13th
Avenue Northeast suite 130 Kirkland
Washington
and yeah so Commissioner Sanford I
believe you had a question regarding
what Golder has required of us in terms
of their peer review and additional
information they wanted to see to
support the requested some modifications
in terms of the steep slope impacts
first off we were I've been on doing
involved with the Carey project since
its beginning as well back in the early
1990s built phase one was skip and then
things went kind of dormant for a while
and got contacted by inner core and they
were looking at the project we went back
out to the site in September of 2015 and
completed additional site explorations
drilled 16 edition
test borings and in in prepared a
technical report which basically updated
our original geotechnical reports where
that was done back in the mid-90s and
submitted that subsequent that's the
middle the city had a gold or do a peer
review of the work that we had done and
as a result of the peer review what
happened is we had to produce an
additional report specific to address
the critical areas and our critical
areas report so that's the main thing
that Golder had us do provided some
additional sacred geologic
reconnaissance stability analysis that
involved taking you know if you can in
terms of technical engineering we take
material you know material engineering
principles and apply it to material that
does not have you know very uniform
properties right because soils are can
change dramatically in a short distance
time so they actually had us do a
sensitivity analysis and our stability
where we took a range of parameters and
determined and ran our stability
analysis and determine you know if we
have a slight reduction in the soil
strength you know how much does that
impact the safety factors and that's all
summarized in this report the other
thing that they had us expand on was the
proximity of the foothill slide which is
approximately 500 feet southeast of
Phase three of this project and expand
on why you know what happened at the
foothill slide and why ground conditions
here at the Cal carry paces two and
three aren't subject to the same and the
bottom line and that is it's basically
very different geology the geology at
the foothills slide it slide at that
slide occurred in November of 1995 and
that was a result of actually some
grading that was the grading took place
in October and into November
there actually had a cut and they placed
them and opened up
a silt and clay formation the custard
formation and and that's what started
moving yeah
Kari site there are no silt and clay
formations basically we have fill
materials that were associated with
previous grading at the site below that
as an out wash sand and gravel deposit
and below that is is his bedrock
sandstone and silt stone bedrock very
different geology and and in different
ground conditions the other thing on the
on the foothills slide what happened you
know they may think they started the
gradient activity obviously at the worst
time of the year in starting on the
beginning of the winter the when they
open when they started the grading he
had significant rainfall event and
things started to move and so in
response to that moving they started
trying to install subsurface strange to
capture and collect rainwater that was
impacting the slide the the final
resolution on the foothills was a system
of drains that were installed upgrading
of the slide and then also at the base
of that the total slides from very long
horizontal drains were advanced up into
the hillside to capture the groundwater
and control it and keep it in keep it
from impacting the slide mass and that
was successfully completed and I believe
1996 and and the slide has been stable
since we're gonna be more proactive that
we know on the on the Phase three on the
west side up gradient side there's a
there's quite a bit of ground water
emanating coming out comes out of that
hillside and so the first thing that
we're going to be doing is before any
major grading goes on we're going to
install a subsurface drain that's going
to capture and control that groundwater
and that water actually rotted down to
help feed the hydrology of the wetland
areas to the east of Phase three so
those are the the main differences
between the foothills and and the Phase
two and three of the kalahari project
I had one question if we go to the site
disturbance plan the aerial site plan
are the the ECA areas delineated on that
plan is that that blue hatched area
excuse me here I'm well past 30 so I
have her snowshoes here let me go down
to here and turn that off
that was in this area yeah the last one
or or any of them really and maybe the
first one shows it better so there's a
faint blue hatched area is that
delineating the where the ECA occurs oh
here is it shown at all no I don't think
the wetland was picked up here so what
does that hatch represent there is a
little blue there
oh oh that's right that's right so yes
it is the wailing okay and then does the
foothill slide show up on this map
no it doesn't I think the foothills
slide is probably way back over in here
okay all right thank you
there's nothing else for geotech I'm
here all night so if something comes up
go ahead and ask Jim I know there was a
question about out Falls you helped us
out on that one good evening
commissioners I'm Jim Olsen with core
design one four seven one one northeast
twenty nine two plates northeast twenty
nine to place suite 101 in Bellevue
Washington I'm one of the principles and
firm and the engineer for the project
the question came up with regards to
storm drainage and a couple things I
jotted down as I was listening to the
presentation that things that have
changed with this condition H that you
see now in your packet this evening the
first of which I want to elaborate on is
I think there's been a change with
regards to the besting of the project I
think the city now has changed that that
we are vested to the standards that were
in place at the time of the original
approval and we met with the city on two
different occasions to discuss storm
drainage because they've voiced concerns
about downstream systems both are
existing issues that occurred today not
an impact of this project and one
erosion problem that occurred last fall
due to the excess rain that we had last
fall it's fair to say that we've met
with the city core design has provided
several alternatives that might mitigate
or alleviate these problems the city is
reviewing those currently I can't stand
in front of you today to say that we
have a solution they're reviewing it as
we speak but it's safe to say that the
city believes that this is a problem
that can be solved with regards to their
systems that they have existing issues
with I think that's and I just wanted to
touch on the impervious surface I think
rich talked about it as well we do show
a slight increase and we've discussed
with the city about modifying the site
plan to reduce that impervious where we
can or provide pervious material to
bring our site in compliance with the
original and pervious surface amount
that was approved
does that answer your questions kind of
vaguely sure so do one question so it
didn't sound like from your response
there's any additional on-site detention
that's required we're talking about
dealing with the off-site impacts of the
stone grading outfall is that at this
point the issues that were referenced
indirectly in that condition are
existing city issues that are off-site
they have I think it was mentioned here
they have a flow spreader that's failing
or is surcharged I'm not sure why that
is
and they have a pipe that has been
crushed that will have to be replaced so
we do have substantial retainage systems
within our project in Phase three in
particular that will be constructed as
part of Phase three absolutely
oh yeah yeah yeah
their comments
thank you
thank you we will be here all night yeah
it seemed like there was some discussion
over the protocol or whatever the the
warrant for a traffic signal there and
it could a traffic engineer give us a
general explanation of how that what
what the requirement is for a traffic
signal it seemed like that was a
discussion later good evening my name is
Michael Reid I'm principal and founder
of transportation engineering Northwest
mailing address is PO Box six five two
five for Seattle ninety one fifty five I
can generally speak to the question
about signal warrants the manual on
uniform traffic control devices or mu T
CDs we call her short is a federal
standard that all transportation
engineering professionals follow and
local and state and other county
jurisdictions follow as well the reason
the primary reason why that is kind of
our one of our Bibles that we look at is
for the most part well several different
reasons protection of the traveling
public but also protection to the
jurisdictions that install and place
those things from a liability standpoint
if you installed any traffic control
device that's not warranted the
jurisdiction or the engineer for that
matter that makes that decision can be
held liable if it's not warranted when
someone has a collision there because
they make a right turn or a left turn on
red because there's nobody on the side
street and they just go because there's
no traffic so in the MU t CD there's a
series of warrants to warrant signal
control and
there's about nine different warrants
most of them are volume or delay
warrants there are warrants for four
hours a day eight hours a day peak hour
warrants so the the warrants look at
both traffic on the major street and
minor street typically the minor street
is the one that stopped controlled you
know intersecting a major arterial and
those get into the different volumes
have to occur over the course of
continuous hours or one peak hour or
what-have-you and they're there to
basically represent the relative delay
of side streets typical gaps that might
be available in traffic volume streams
of those different magnitudes
and the criteria are also adjusted
depending on the speed of the major
street or the size of the community
essentially a smaller community that
maybe has only 2,000 people that live in
it has a different warrant then the City
of Seattle does because the people in
Seattle tend to drive a little more mmm
I won't use the word aggressively but
they don't they're you know they're
willing to accept less gaps fewer gaps
or shorter gaps so there's other
criteria in the MU TCD safety being one
of them collision history pedestrian
demand that's there that needs to cross
the street and there's other other more
qualitative criteria that gets down to
you is a signal warranty given that we
have a system of other signals along an
arterial and this will just help
facilitate another point to connect to
it there's not a specific standard on
when you you can put in a signal because
it meets one warrant or it meets five
warrants it's really up to the judgment
of the engineer in this case and that
would be the city traffic engineer
Public Works Director so those are
that's kind of a general overview of
what signal warrants are thank you a
follow-up question I'm not sure if this
falls under your purview but there's a
pedestrian crossing proposed and I
assume that the the new phases it's
being used to access the amenity
facilities in the phase one and were
there any studies or is there a traffic
signal proposed at that crossing you're
talking about the one between phases one
and three or phases one to one that
crosses Sunrise plays Southwest I can
tell you
purely from a a warrant standpoint it
wouldn't meet it from either the
pedestrian demand or just the volume
that's on the roadway today or in the
future with a project I personally went
out and performed field visit there
looked at sight distance to confirm that
those were all met and I was able to
freely walk across the street with no
traffic at all
and didn't I think I only saw one car
and I was there for half an hour and
that's placed strategically such that
you do have distances correct it's also
placed strategically from what I would
call a pedestrian desire lined you know
you have pedestrian facilities that lead
you to a certain point and that point is
where you need to correct you know where
you logically would cross okay thank you
yeah speaking that can ask a question
about one of the conditions staff had
placed was to add a sidewalk at the
would be the west side of the street as
it connects to sunrise and the I guess I
had the question about and looking at
trying to figure out where pedestrians
will go and there would anybody use that
sidewalk that look at the people on the
east side thank you people right there
the people on the east side coming out
from Division
three would used to use outside walk and
the people guess I decide to walk would
only be used for people on the west side
of Division three but I think when I get
to the north west corner unit if you can
move the cursor which I guess down a
little bit to the other side of the
street right there so it's a sidewalk
from there to sunrise and it seems to me
it's a question as it seems like if I
were there I would just go straight
across for the street because there's no
sidewalk on the west side of sunrise
correct yes
so to that intersection do that right so
it seemed like I would just cross over
to the other side walk across the street
in other words I'm saying I don't know
that it's worth putting that other
sidewalk in if it takes up more
impervious surface when it does impact
the creeks buffer yeah so so that was a
staff generated condition right so if
you were walking from phase three to
Wildwood where would you go you're
pushed into the pavement right because
there's no continuous sidewalk there's
no well but there's no sidewalk on there
where he has to cursor there's no
sidewalk on the west side right you
cross you cross the street at that
intersection so you would so if I lived
in one any of the units on the south
side of Phase three I would want to walk
on a sidewalk all the way right and guy
was a missing piece that's right if were
me I would cross over if I were if
you're so if you're going if you're
going north right you're going to cross
over to the south side of the Phase
three road to go north yes because it's
a shorter distance no shorter distance
from that from there you get over to the
street it's a shorter distance to cross
there
then go around that curve I hear what
you're saying and I guess that would be
the question from a traffic engineer
looking at the plan you talked about
pedestrian movements where are they
gonna cross is that your question well
pedestrians cross wherever they want to
really even in where it's not allowed
you know in that's you know there's
still a lot of debate in whether or not
you put a marked crosswalk anywhere
these days sunrise just within yeah
Division three so pedestrians are gonna
walk whatever and different pedestrians
are just like different drivers they're
gonna take a different route to get the
same direction so a pedestrian is going
to take whatever path they want to take
if they're comfortable walking down on
the west side then they'll take it auto
or they'll just cross the street
wherever they feel more comfortable
thank you
question on that sundries place
Southwest where does that lead to that
road that goes up there is there a park
there this road or this road that drove
the second one yeah going up to the from
my understanding that just dead ends
well it goes up and eventually it
doesn't connect anywhere else but to
where it connects to other neighborhoods
up there but it doesn't go anything
anywhere beyond that oh okay
so we know how much or how many homes
there are up there
I do not know that off the top of my
head there do you eat okay yeah I like
the concept of phase two and phase three
and then you have your face one earlier
are you going to have a sinus as you're
entering curry development and then on
the other side you have inner sciences
you're exiting carry or welcomewelcome
something like that that bonds it as a
development as a name you know there's
an existing sign out at this
intersection currently that is
be relocated in some manner alright I
don't think they're gonna have there's
gonna be another sign down here but just
to let people know that this is calc re
yeah decide there are other homes up
there are 38 homes up there so they'll
be using that road to come down here
then yeah come down the hill mm-hmm I
had one more follow-up question sorry I
should have a tag this on my last
comment so the existing trail that's
being moved 15 feet and you're
reconstructing a stair right right there
does that connect to a trail then across
the street no it doesn't actually
rich Wagner again you basically you come
you arrive to the top there you take a
couple three breaths because it's a nice
little climb up check both ways and
cross the street we've talked about
whether it should be a crosswalk there
and that was not supported in our
studies just because of the amount of
traffic and again as Mike mentioned when
you paint a crosswalk you and for a
safety that's not really there oh I'm
sorry yes it is here a connection there
and then you walk on the sidewalk what
maybe 50 feet 100 feet something like
that okay and then it heads up
and I guess that was my question then
would would a demarcation of that
crossing be prudent it sounds like
you've addressed that and determined
that no it would be there you know when
I when I go back and look at the
original plans from 98 97 the concepts
that trail came up here and crossed
straight away but then there was a
really nice wetland down here identified
and so when they when the route was
finally built it was routed around that
wetland okay thank you
question is cheerin not not traffic but
this is for mr. Reid mr. Wagner faced
one you have it's all done it's nice and
you've you said as a follow-up to the
phase two and three are the four plants
similar to face one for phase two and
three all right no in fact that's one of
the changes that's happened in the
marketplace the phase one is theirs
they're condominiums and they're all
flat apartments three levels up serviced
with an elevator parking below in a
subgrade garage or daylight garage phase
two and three are gonna be townhomes
so they're again three stories but each
level each townhome would have its own
entrance okay okay but the elevations
you're trying to copy that of face one
well I hesitate to say copy but let me
say mimic yeah this is a good example
and one of the things that we've been
proposing to do to get those big roofs
you know you can see if you look very
carefully in a grading plan which I
would not encourage you because it's
real detailed there's sometimes minor
steps as you go down the hill here just
to connect to the grade but to get the
big roofs
we're looking at some of the upper
floors having a plate line a little
higher than the higher floor here and
that allows us to thrust that roof
across okay can you go to it's like 20
to the next one up okay
now looking at this you know I couldn't
tell which is real which is existing and
which is a proposal I take the existing
computers are pretty amazing yeah yeah
these two are proposed okay these are
pictures of existing phase one okay so
the elevation you're trying to stay with
the same modulation I think I like your
idea about the vertical modulation as
well where's the other one it's because
it's a four-story you're pretty much
forced to have vertical modulation down
to a minimum the new ones the proposed
one yeah a lot of modulation which is
good thank you okay ask a question think
while we're talking about floor plans
I'm trying to get my head around density
a little bit obviously the impervious
surface has gone down square footage is
down but
and so so in the previous scheme how
many bedrooms were in the the previous
scheme per unit would you say on average
was it two bedrooms probably average two
now I'm going back many years okay but I
don't think there's any one bedrooms
no one bedrooms okay not in the current
design in what we're proposing right
correct all of them now are three and
four bedrooms correct some would have an
alternate den bedroom media room but you
have tonight for sure so I'm trying to
just get my head around density and so
let's just say at one hundred and sixty
two units there may be two occupants per
unit just as an average that's three
hundred twenty four occupants and at 72
units say potentially say potentially
four occupants per unit as you can't say
how many people are gonna yank you buy
it but what's the density per unit could
go up but the unit goes down to 288 so
it's more of just a question do you feel
overall that the density will be lower
with the proposed scheme density
measured in occupants occupant yes I
think it could be a little higher okay
you know how you know what's that what's
the median size of a family in Issaquah
who point at entry point for I don't
know three point three two point two
okay yeah obviously you can't predict
that you know I'm just I'm just trying
to get my head around obviously the
project is smaller but could there be
potentially more people and as a result
automobiles traffic etc in the proposed
scheme yes people I know that there was
some discussion about whether whether
we're gonna allow children and Issaquah
or in this project that might be a
change I don't know if there's children
living in phase one now
the traffic again parking
we've got really plenty of parking we've
got two stalls in every garage plus
we've got guest parking will that work
you know I Drive through single-family
neighborhoods all the time and think it
should work but no one's putting their
car in the garage i we all can point to
those okay then the last question I had
is will the townhomes be held in
ownership the same way the condominium
as well meaning are they are they
participating in the Association and
will they have access to the amenities
yes and yes okay thank you
I should note on that the amenities of
phase the residents of phase one will
also have access to the amenities of two
and three okay we're trying to trying to
keep a neighborhood yeah all right thank
you very much further comments from the
commissioners what I'd like to do is
open the discussion to the public after
that discussion will we'll have our
closing discussion all right so at this
point I'd like to call Joanne Van Dusen
remember
but asked you to state your name and
address for that my name okay can you
hear me okay my name is Joe and Anderson
I've been phase one building see second
floor one-bedroom corner unit right next
to the wetland and the beautiful Creek
if I'm a little stiff today I just got
off of a very long flight and one of the
things over Labor Day weekend was a show
that said what is one of your memorable
things from the summer my memorable
thing from this summer was coming in to
kill Kerry I've been there 16 years and
for me the most memorable thing was
coming into Cal carry the beautiful
trees that I hope will not be cut down
and the deer crossing Cabin Creek Lane
right by the clubhouse they eat up on
the hill where one of the buildings just
gonna go they cost Kevin Creek Lane and
they eat on the other side where the
next building is not gonna go so for me
whenever I see that it's like what's
going to happen to them
this is my second meeting that I went to
and I went to the so called town hall
they had at the phase one and the
meeting became so contentious
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my question never did get answered and I
packed up and I walked out and that's
actually why my neighbor didn't come
because she was afraid that she was
going to encounter one of the similar
things but I came to many of the many of
the development meetings that the City
Hall that you people have had so the
questions that I had for me were how
many trees you're gonna cut down what's
gonna happen to the beer and the noise
that's going to impact me in the corner
there and I was listening to your
comments the person here in the corner I
don't know what your name is and you
said that there's a condition where the
construction traffic will not use the
turnaround on Sunrise place then first I
know exactly where that is that's a big
colder sack so where I live in the
building I don't know if you can put
that up there but there's like there's
like a little turn around so are the
construction people going to come down
that Street and then turn around by the
by the sea building and then go out I
don't know where that matters can you
put that thing up there and when you
come down Cabin Creek Lane and then the
C building is here the back of the B
building and then there's like a little
turn around by the picnic area right
there yeah right here right there so
what I'm concerned about is the
construction is only going to be 8 to 4
so maybe they start arriving at 7:00 and
they'll run their dump trucks or
whatever right around in there well my
bedroom happens to be right on the
street there so what's going to happen
to the client privacy of me so whoever
has control over keeping your dumptrucks
in your trucks out of there put that on
your list please and there was at the
town hall at Cal Kerry somebody
mentioned on the plans that there was
supposed to be a trail that was going to
be right along
the C building on that one side where
the creek is and the wetland and that's
all growing up now so I don't know how
they're gonna squeeze a little trail in
there for public for the public because
I thought that wetland was preserved and
you do not cut you do not cut trees down
that was the other thing how many trees
are gonna cut down because it seems like
they're gonna take quite a few trees so
I think I have covered everything thank
you very much Thank You Linda spring
Minh
thank you good evening Linda spring Minh
I live it
101 5 first place southeast in Issaquah
which I'm going to try and put this
microphone back which is in the
foothills development and right below
the phase 1 development of Kelkar II I
spoke two weeks ago so I'll try not to
be too repetitive but I was interested
to see in in the packet that was posted
on the website that some of the things
that were brought up were addressed and
I felt like some were explained away but
not really addressed so there's a couple
things that I just wanted to cover with
you and one is that I will be repetitive
when I tell you that I strongly believe
that decisions we made 20 years ago
should not be made using the same data
and I would refer you to page 19 of 36
in the packet where you've identified
what standards are being used to make
the decisions on this project it looks
like the two areas that are of my
biggest concern then I'm going to talk
about today are using 1999 approval
standards and those are the geotechnical
evaluation of manmade slopes and the
traffic impact fee and what I would ask
is if somebody can clarify for me what
the standards were in 1999 and how those
differ from what they are today in 2017
if they're no different that's helpful
to know but if there are things that
have changed in the standards between
that time I'd like to know what they are
so that we know what compromises were
making related to both of those areas
the the one of the things that came up
earlier was the request for a signal at
sunrise and Wildwood and I'm not sure I
really remember that but I may have been
the person who led us astray because I
was confused last presentation the
traffic area that is the huge concern
for us right now getting to our
neighborhood is at the intersection of
Newport way and Wildwood which is down
the hill about half
half a mile towards Wildwood from the
calc re-development another half mile
down the hill to Newport way but traffic
jam goes all the way back to the
elementary school frequently multiple
nights a week and efforts to try and
come up with a solution to that have
been unsuccessful so far suggesting that
they keep the traffic going towards
towards a long Newport Way east into
this into the left-hand lane so that
people wanting to go up to the
neighborhood TURN RIGHT people last time
talked about how residents trying to
access Wildwood will stay in the left
lane and then when the traffic has
stopped turned right in front of them
which is highly unsafe
I have many times detour a mountain park
gone all the way around the hill to get
down to or to sunrise place because it
would just take an inordinate amount of
time to get to the turn signal so what I
would ask instead of just telling you
what the problem is I have a suggestion
what I would like us to do is see if we
can do a traffic study so that I don't
know what the requirements are with the
amount of traffic at a signal needs to
be but I would love it if we could do a
traffic signal review to see what kind
of traffic is using that what the
backups are like and so we can try and
remediate that I know it's I know it's
fewer people that Worthen were
originally approved for this development
but it is gonna be additional traffic
than there is today and it's already
just really impossible to get to the
neighborhood that the second thing I
wanted to address is regarding the Geo
surveys and I am NOT an expert on this
and I know that a lot of really smart
people have done a lot of work on trying
to understand the the stability of the
ground that we're talking about I know
that 500 feet away to me does not seem
like a very long distance to have had a
landslide and I get that the ground
changes every 10 feet or I don't know
how often but to me something within 500
feet that had a landslide is really
concerning to me I
know that when the Tallis development
was being made there were probably
geological surveys done and a landslide
happened oh so I think people knew that
there was a possibility but a lot of
really smart people built and there was
a landslide so I am uncomfortable with
it and I think you are too and I will
refer you to the it was item 7 and 150
page packet from two weeks ago that
talked about the steep slope
indemnification there's only one place
in the 150 pages where there was
discussion of this and it said prior to
issuance of a building permit the
applicant shall establish a mechanism
acceptable to the city which notifies
future buyers of the apartment it's less
condominium units or Lots that the steep
slope buffers were reduced and that
development has occurred within 50 feet
of a steep slope the applicant shall
execute an agreement that indemnifies
and holds the city harmless for
development within 50 feet of the steep
slopes to me that says you have a
question too so I would like further
review done I think it this goes back to
that we're using a 1999 standard and I
just would like us to triple check that
nothing's gonna happen thanks for your
time so thank you I can't tell if that's
Mary Ann or Marva and crane
I'm Maryann crane 12:32 sunrise plays
southeast and Issaquah so live in the
foothills as does Linda spring men
certainly agree with everything she said
I did send comments and that I think you
referred to I couldn't hear you quite
well one of them was about the
construction hours that she said you're
going to talk about later one of our big
concerns is parking and access into the
foothills which is the development after
kill Cory you asked about that earlier
there's 38 homes there in the first and
second cul-de-sacs I did see something
that talked about perhaps suggesting
traffic be restricted to one side of the
street but I didn't see anything that
said a decision had been made and I
think it's really important that that be
we have some assurance that that's going
to happen now when people use the trail
and they hike and they park on both
sides of the street you can see it's
very very narrow the Issaquah School
District determined that they couldn't
even get their buses down pascale carry
into foothills and the only stop is at
the corner of Wildwood and sunrise place
that Linda talked about and school buses
are shorter than fire engines etc so
that's a very big concern we have about
emergency vehicles having access and
honestly construction workers I'm not
sure where they're gonna park but they
shouldn't be parking on the I on that
road either so I think it's really
important that it be designated a fire
lane as we have down where we live in
the foothills we don't have parking on
the one side all the way down through
the cul-de-sacs it's a fire lane all the
way and we really would urge that you
all consider that and and see that it's
enforced I'm not a traffic person but I
don't understand what the numbers were
on that chart you made reference to the
fact that they're townhouses well I
think there's going to be at least two
cars in each maybe three that bumps the
number from 72 to close to 150 your
chart indicated only 26 cars would make
an a.m. trip at peak that's 1/6
of the vehicles that are going to be
there I'm just not clear where those
numbers are coming from most people are
gonna go to work and they're gonna go a
rush hour so how 26 from 150 or 160 I
don't know 33 in peak hours on the p.m.
I'm not sure how we got that low of a
number either so I'd like some
clarification on that thank you for your
time Richard Kendall
good evening I'm Richard Kendall at 1 1
6 Northwest 70th Seattle 981 1/7 I am
NOT going to speak tonight but I would
like to submit into public record two
letters from area residents that could
not be here tonight that are in support
of the project I do that from here yes
thank you
so that's everybody that signed in if
you would like to speak I'd encourage
you to come and sign in and we'll hi my
name is Tom McDonald I live at one two
to seven sunrise place southeast to
Washington 1987 and I think one of
the primary things I want to talk about
is the traffic part so if these are
houses they're going to be I will say
kill car is a pretty nice development
the first couple places as far as
architectural and so the places is the
new development this we put up are going
to be I would say probably gonna be
pretty expensive which means people are
going to have to work to buy those which
means they're going to be leaving early
in the morning so the 26 trips a day
just doesn't make sense I would say that
that's obably gonna be the least one car
per household this can be leaving early
in the morning the afternoon may vary
because the p.m. fair so will vary based
on work session but in the morning again
it kids up school going to work that's
all going to be a pretty much that
timeframe that they're going to be going
out I would agree that I think a traffic
light at sunrise and Maude would is not
a good option because of the way it's
coming down they'll induce accidents if
that happens but where there is a
problem is at Wildwood and Newport where
there's two lanes when you're going
eastbound in Newport is if you're going
to go south on Front Street people
occupy as was mentioned earlier at the
right hand lane to continue right to
take a right turn where that right-hand
Lane could be a right turn only on the
Wildwood that would help part of it and
the inside lane would be the through
Lane once you get through the
intersection of Wildwood then that could
split and they can go into you the lane
after that that helped some of the back
up there although the backup does go
back up to the elementary school and to
target target so I think some
clarification on how that trip number 26
came up is the main question I have and
also I think come for our Keith for
information provided as far as the
cold sack turned around in in first
place the other question I have comes
back to playgrounds in area and one of
our concerns is we have a play yard that
has swing set slides as basketball court
and if there is nothing like that in
this development that they're going to
be migrating down to our playground and
that opens our liability potential for
accidents they might happen in our area
where if they don't have anything in
there in this development that might
provide for the same amenities for for
the range of youth that are going to be
living there that's it thank you thank
you
you don't forget don't forget to sign in
please
hello my name is my name is Pat Duke
I live on 375 southeast Crossland Lane
in Issaquah in Old Town really close to
here
I have probably gone hiking walk from my
house up there and taking those little
trails and honestly I didn't know that
that Traverse Trail existed until about
six months ago so here for years I've
been you know going down and walking
along the street and down through
Sycamore when I you know didn't want to
be up in the woods it was too late in
the day or with the weather was awful
I've probably been in that neighborhood
walked it been on the existing trail
that goes you know down what do they
call that the down long Cabin Creek
there at least a hundred times and so
Raymond I wanted to let you know that I
forgot anyway if you want if you want to
go for a walk there sometime I'll take
you through that area because when you
were talking I could just tell I thought
you can't visualize what's here also
that little trail that's down there now
I don't know if the city has a
responsibility for that or if the carry
has a responsibility for it it's so
decrepit right now there are a couple
itty bitty bridges on it and and I mean
they're just literally falling apart
that but anyway what I want to say is
I've been up in that Hill a lot now in
the last six months I was there last
Sunday with Janet wall and I don't know
how many of you know her but she's been
for a long long time on the rivers and
streams fort in Issaquah she's a very
well respected scientist and and she's
lived in it's aquifer very long time and
she just loves his town and has a great
deal of interest in it as do I
and by the way I've been here since 1986
and I've been a homeowner the whole time
I'm here so I just want to say that I I
think this planning is
beautiful I think it's you know very
well then
I was impressed with the architectural
plans and everything and with the
sensitivity of things like impervious
surfaces there is a tremendous amount of
water coming down that hill I'm a native
plant steward and I was with Janet who
knows a lot about the rivers and streams
and she could hardly believe her eyes
she said I've never been on a trail
there there are certain plants that grow
where there has to be a lot of water and
and one of them as I mentioned before is
Maiden Hill maiden hair ferns that come
growing right out straight out of the
hillside and just as far as your eye can
see
you know there's banks of them and
pretty much that happens where there's
water seeping there's a creek that was
there were two creeks running on that
little traverse that goes between this
area and an Sycamore there are two
creeps surrounding two weeks ago
last Sunday one of them was barely
ringing and although the other one was
running running just fine so there are
some places where water I guess could
drain into those creeks as long as it
can drain there and still say stay clean
because those are really untouched areas
I'm gonna react sten my invitation and
say that if anybody wants go on this
hike it's only one mile it doesn't take
very long you know please send me an
email or give me a call and I'd be glad
to take you up there if you just want to
go up there and walk on the streets I'm
I'm just pretty familiar with that area
I also want to say that that I I agree
with Melvin when you talked about
walking up there I I think you know even
though obviously you know I'm gonna go
where there's a sidewalk but but I agree
that it seems really natural to cross
the sidewalk across sunset there and and
walk where the sidewalk already exists
right now you talked about you
you know do you need those extra
sidewalks and anyway I don't know when
by the time you get all these other cars
there and I think I don't know I mean do
they actually have no children allowed
or something like that I mean I can't
see having townhouses that are three and
four-bedroom and building by a forest I
mean if I had a family young family and
had the many buy one of those I mean I
definitely here's a place where I can
take my kids out onto their trail and
down to the creek and all that sort of
things so I really think that's going to
be family I think you're going to have
at least two cars how many parents don't
take their kids preschoolers and
children to school nowadays and how many
parents live in a family were only one
of them works so I think if you have 72
new units going in you can count on at
least 144 cars going out of there every
day I also want to say because I've
walked this area so much that that
intersection of Wildwood and Newport not
only is that hazardous for cars but
that's hazardous for pedestrians I often
walk over by the Salmon Hatchery and and
cross the street there where there's a I
I think you just step on a pad and it
blinks a light and cars you know know
that you're waiting across the street
that's fine by me I like that better
than a regular stoplight however when I
come down to the bottom of the hill
there's a sidewalk on the uphill side
which I like to walk on because I have a
great view and because the sidewalk is
kind of down from the road on the other
side but then when I get to the bottom
all of a sudden the sidewalk is gone and
that last block there's there's no
sidewalk on that side of the street and
it's a blind Street crossing because
it's a hill and cars are coming down and
coming up and and turning the corner and
they can't see me and I have to look
back and forth and just kind of run for
it to cross the street and then where I
want to go down where the traffic's
safer I have to cross the street twice
to get over by this
and how true it's really weird so I do
think she should do a traffic study at
the intersection of Wildwood and Newport
way let me see if there is anything else
here oh I just I just want to say that
having lived in Issaquah for a long time
and having seen the changes that have
occurred over the past years I really
think that trying to make decisions or
making allowances today based on
standards that were in place in 1991
I think Yuri an EIN teen 99 I really do
think you need to take a look at at
whether those standards are still
appropriate today because your home is
such a big investment in your life and
to think that somebody would buy a
beautiful place to live in and and be
building an on on ground that might
possibly slide it's terrible and and a
friend of ours I knew her very well our
kids went to grade school and high
school together
her home was on the street above that
and she lost her home and because at
home had been there for I don't know
like 15 or 20 years or something like
that that she tried to go for it the
city tried to go for the county tried to
go for it the builders she ended up
losing her home completely with no
redress and she was a single parent with
two kids so and it was a lovely little
home so anyway consider that thank you
thank you
I think mr. Raleigh's next bar comments
I'm skip Rowley 1595 on Northwest Gilman
Boulevard
my daughter Carrie and I were the
original developers of Kelkar a phase
one that piece of property has been in
our family since 1954 and when we
decided to build Kelkar a phase one
Carrie and I went through three
different architects to try to come up
with three different plans that fit that
property it wasn't until we got rich
Wagner in our office who at that time
was with bayless brand Wegener I believe
was the name of the firm rich was able
to show us how he could design and fit
onto that piece of property something
that would be very similar to a ski
lodge from the west part of the United
States and how it would fit in to the
trees and all of that and I think that
he's done a very good job in doing the
same thing with what inter-corporate is
proposing when we decided to sell that
property that decision was primarily
based on the fact that we got a
development agreement with the city of
Issaquah for the 80 acres that we have
down on the commercial floor and we
wanted to spend our time and efforts
developing that and in between Kelkar a
phase one two today we've been through a
major recession the construction costs
climbed to a point where Carrie and I
didn't think we could afford to do it so
when we marketed we had six different
development companies come to us with
proposals and the only one that we
really wanted was inter court because
they have the ability to do the project
to pay for it and to build it on time
and do a really good job I'm familiar
with some of the slide issues that
happened with foothills there should be
no problem with the development of
Cavell Kelkar phases 2 & 3 I
want to scare people with the idea that
this thing might slide cuz it won't if
it's done properly we had the issue up
at Allis and that was another instance
where something wasn't done quite quite
right but the soils on this property are
fine I also want to remind everybody
that this property abuts a 40 acre State
Park no in that state King County Park
and all of the property up above it is
so steep that nothing will ever be built
on it so this is a small little
indentation in a very huge piece of
property that will be open space for
everybody to enjoy so I would hope that
you would look on favor of this I think
inner Corp has done a fantastic job of
working with the city staff and going
through this project inch by inch this
idea that all of the rules and
regulations of nineteen and ninety or
ninety nine or whatever it was affect
this property that's not right because
we the up-to-date soils the up-to-date
wetlands all of that sort of stuff is
part of this project so I hope you do it
it's a good project I think Issaquah
will be better for it and thank you
I am due to widen I am live at 1,000
Cabin Creek Lane Northwest be 301 I'm
the one that gets the view of the big
new building right out my window I'm not
sure exactly how I feel about that I
really like the deer I really like the
wildlife I like my little view of
shangri-la is the best way that I can
put it however that being said I do
believe that Inter Corp has done a
really good job of working through this
and presenting what they plan to do and
I appreciate it I really do I feel
comfortable and confident in what's
gonna happen I know I can't do anything
about them developing the property it's
not mine
I just look over it I also think that as
a homeowner probably is gonna my
homeowner value so my major concerns
have to do with the changes to the
neighborhood and yes they primarily have
to do with traffic I to try not to go
out anywhere after three o'clock in the
afternoon and come down Newport and have
to go home because it's just ridiculous
and it's in that's not part of a problem
that really has to do with wild witters
on sadder or anything that has to do
with the growth and the region and
everything that's going on that being
said I do believe like Susan and others
just said that some more study or review
over what the effects of the impact on
traffic and the more bodies is gonna do
to what's there will happen and I also
don't know where that you know 26 Road
Trip there are gonna be two minivans
that go out at least four times a day I
know that my other concern has to do
with the traffic that's going to be
going on on Cabin Creek Lane and I
understand that you're going to put a
sidewalk in on the other side and and in
the building and that kind of stuff
there will be improvements made I also
know that all of the parking that you're
talking about using is at the clubhouse
and granted if there's nothing going on
at the clubhouse that's fine you know
there's nine spots there plus two
handicap but there is no place else for
anybody to park except in front of my
building which happens to be B the first
one the closest to the new buildings and
stuff like that and I don't park in
front very often because I have a
parking place in there in in the garage
but I don't think it's reasonable to
think that you could put that mass of
humanity and cars and people in one
place and not provide a place for them
to park I also think that the road on if
if you're out and the kids are going to
school and they're waiting for the bus
or their parents are waiting for the bus
at the end of sunrise where it goes
across well with there twice a day
there's a lot of people and and the
people that live in 40s have concerns
too you know there's just there's just
that's a lot of traffic I don't know if
anybody's done meeting traffic counts
you know or anything like that I've I've
read and I tried to look and read
through some of the reports but
everything does seem to be related to
1999 and since then they've built you
know they've built I don't know what any
more houses down at the end of the hill
and now they're gonna add seventy two
more and it's sort of like it's time to
think about what the massive traffic in
the use of the roadways and sidewalks
for the community really is going to do
so thank you
let's call any other public wishing to
make comment if you do please sign in hi
steeper era 117 northeast dogwood Street
for about ten years so a couple thoughts
one is or I guess the first it has to do
I guess what kind of cumulative effect
of traffic and whether or not there
should be a light at this one particular
intersection and maybe it's more
addressed to city code it seems like
until you get to the point where traffic
is impacted there's no fees that are
paid for that maybe there should be a
cumulative effect of a fee paid into by
developers for the eventual cost that's
going to be occurred when that gets to a
certain point we later this particular
intersection at some point I don't know
that there is any future way to mitigate
traffic that goes up and down that on
the existing roads maybe that should be
part of the consideration of how you
would mitigate the traffic that's
already reported to be bad and and how
development gets improved or not
approved based on the cumulative effect
and crunch points where traffic
congestion happens that's maybe broader
than the scope of this body but that was
worth saying somebody mentioned the
trail and I guess I'm not sure if that's
a responsibility that that's gonna be
relocated if that if the kakari is
maintaining responsibility for
maintaining that trail going forward as
well as the initial movement of that
trail I want to give the comments where
somebody made where their language had
that the city would be indemnified from
the risk of landslides to me give some
idea that there's risk of landslides
possibility and I think that if there is
a perceived risk then until that gets
considered it shouldn't be simply waved
aside
I still have some concerns about the
previous verses impervious service I'd
like to see what specific things the
developer will put in before this gets
approved by this body and there seem to
be some other questions as far as when
that things can be mitigated those
should be developed and proposed before
this body approves those pending that
feedback Thanks final call should close
public comment portion of this meeting
and ask the city want to make a comment
this comment I think this city would
defer to either the applicant if they
want to address any of the issues or to
the Commission if you want to further
explore any of the comments that were
raised by the community this evening
so there were a couple of comments that
may be a little more exploration for
information would be helpful to
understand for the Commission and I
think for for the public that are here
this evening a lot of concern obviously
about traffic and the whole region is
struggling a bit with traffic we all
have that experience every day I think
but the question was just how is the
traffic count actually determined is
there a standard that's used or is it
judgement and maybe a little bit more
explanation about how the chip
generation for the project was
established and that would be helpful
I've been in four meetings today so bear
with me as I grab some papers here yes
yeah yourself once again Michael Reed
transportation engineering Northwest so
I'll answer that question two ways one
is there we have existing count of
traffic that's on Sunrise and by my
count if there's 38 single family homes
downstream and there's 50 ish homes in
Kelkar E or currently there's got to be
I think there's some other homes prior
to that so let's just round it 200 units
that are various forms that are on
Sunrise currently right now there's only
about 50 vehicles in the peak hour that
use that Street but yet there's a
hundred home so basically that's a half
a trip for home currently you know we
just performed some trip generation
studies of down some residential units
in downtown Seattle just to kind of see
what apartment units were generating in
downtown because people are building
still pretty sizable parking garages and
200 to 300 plus apartment buildings the
trip rate for apartment building in
downtown Seattle is less than 10% of
units sometimes even less than 5% the
rates that we actually applied in this
particular analysis and what traffic
analysis was done with new information
we looked at the original traffic
analysis that was completed for Kelkar E
and those trips that were associated
with the additional 126 units that
comprised phases 2 & 3 took those
numbers because it was a different type
of unit at that point and in the context
of the traffic study it may be different
in in what was looked at in the
build-out but there was a specific trip
generation number and traffic volume
number
that was mitigated and paid for back in
the day and then we used our standard
ite rates Institute of Transportation
engineers rates they publish average
peak trip generation rates for different
types of land-uses this falls into a
condominium town host town home land use
and we applied those rates for the
proposed seventy two units and took the
difference so though that's where the
genesis of the numbers came from and
also gives you a little bit of context
of what's actually happening out there
right now so because there's a mixture
of single-family homes they're the
largest trip generator of any
residential use but yet we have maybe
half of them are condos out there
currently we're still on the very low
end of the trip generation rate given
that context you took a little bit of
the work that was done to evaluate the
existing condition and then you overlaid
that with a standard essentially yeah we
I didn't we didn't look we just looked
at the existing traffic to actually to
see back whether there was warrants for
turn lanes whether that was a specific
request whether there was any other
traffic issues going on out there
fifty trips and an hour on a street is
you can walk across the street without
much problem that's less than the car a
minute on average just this is a I don't
know this is something that you gave any
thought to where this will come later
with construction permits but truck
routes has come up several times in the
last two public meetings and we've got a
new condition that's been now proposed
to add to this amendment so if you take
away all of the turnaround opportunities
for the trucks how we going to turn them
around out there well you know I'm not
specifically involved in the
construction staging but typically I was
just on site today
you know the contractor realizes that
he's not going to be storing materials
he's not going to be laying down
equipment he's not going to be parking
his vehicles in
property that he doesn't have the
ability to control or operate on so
they're gonna have to provide for that
turnaround space on site as they're
staging the property so you typically go
from you do masquerading get the site
prepped and you can start laying down
stuff in one location first and build
another one so it's pretty logical you
know the contractors are used to doing
that I can see a concern of contractors
just there
like a lot of us they want to park right
in front of their workplace so I can see
the the need to ensure you know no
construction parking or equipment
storage or whatever on Sunrise for sure
and that's would be a normal condition
of an any you know building permit or
right away permit something thanks Keith
maybe a little more information on
traffic control regarding truck routes
etc how does the city deal with that
during that permitting process
commissioner before I go there just one
clarification so sunrise place is a
public street and the city will likely
not be regulating contractor parking on
that street it's public right away they
have as much right to use it as anybody
else we may all not like that answer but
that's the right answer in terms of
construction traffic so as part of the
construction pre-con meeting we have the
ability to unfortunately none of these
people then the applicant really has a
say and how all this all this
fine-grained details going to work so
what will happen at the pre-construction
meeting which occurs after we issue the
permits but before they actually start
construction is we will talk about this
condition and how they will achieve the
intent of this condition so there's
going to be it'll be a challenge for
some of the bigger you know the framing
trucks that come you know maybe the
concrete pumper you know there's some
that are gonna have a challenge turning
around but because you're working on
both sides of the street it actually
we forms split have hammerhead with the
way that the driveways are working so I
don't see this as being a big concern
but in terms of deliveries you know this
is a dead end as was discussed before so
the truck traffic has only one way in
and out and that's via a Newport wild
wood and then sunrise that thanks that's
helpful
rich whitener again if I could elaborate
on the question about the traffic and
the intersections down the road and
especially in the comments that were
last given you know there's there's this
trip point of which an intersection gets
warranted for certain improvements but
long before that and and and that
actually is a kind of a step curve or
step but long before that every project
that comes forward has what's called the
traffic mitigation fee and those fees
many of them have already been paid for
in phase one for many of the impacts in
Phase two and three so that that money
was already sent to the city years ago
in addition there is trip mitigation
fees that will be paid by this developer
when the permit is being issued now
whether those fees are used to affect a
certain intersection that's really kind
of a sitting position but I wanted to
negate the idea that something can
happen here and not contribute
thank you and I follow another
exploration here and again the other
area that got significant interest and
questioning was around the geotechnical
conditions out there and the nature of
the investigation the standards that
were used to ensure we have we will have
a stable site condition with this
project oh and again the there's some
confusion about the standards here and
so there's some engineering basic
engineering standards that apply that
are not specific city codes but that
being said there was obviously studies
that were done during the development
for the first phase and and the
subsequent phase now we're moving this
forward and you say can you explain a
little bit more about the nature of the
investigation and anything about the
standards that were to pull or apply Ted
commissioners attach shepper again with
terror associates with regard to the
standards the standards that were in
place in 1999 are the same as they are
today in terms of the development
standards the nail stem from the GM a
back in 1990 in King County came out
with the standards for steep slopes
landslides and basically defined a steep
slope as a 40% grade or steeper if you
think about a 40% grade that's a two and
a half to one slope all highway
embankments are two to one so by
technically they're they're a steep
slope the the and the the standards were
in that as then as they are today in
King County and it's in the city of
Issaquah is that any steep slope that
exceeds a height of 20 feet and you will
have a 50 foot buffer or if an
additional 15 foot building setback
lines so total setback if you will 65
feet the standards allow you to reduce
the buffer to 10 feet pending
geotechnical analysis it demonstrates
that the reduction in the buffer will
not result in an increase in a slope and
stability that could impact the project
thereby the project impacting this slope
so those those that's the standard the
the other standard in particular to this
case is that there are as an exemption
with that or an exemption that allows
you to grade steep slopes that were
created by previous grading activity so
on on this particular site there's been
a lot of activity out here the the phase
one was built over an old coal tailings
pile all those buildings are supported
on piles because the coal tailing of
heavy buildings and the coal tailings
went down about 50 feet and that's par
on the east end as you come back on
phase two there's this ting fill
materials some of it related to the coal
tailings and then what you get back into
phase 3 phase 3 has actually been
excavated that was a sand and gravel
mine where they they mined the the
outwash sand and gravels and that
created the steep slope so by virtue of
the the code allows us to then to go
into those slopes and regrade them and
and that's what our intent is to do and
some of them post grading if they still
remain had it had a gradient of 40
percent or steeper and exceed a height
of 10 feet then they would still be
subject to the setback requirements
which we have here we have we're
maintaining a ten foot buffer
and a 15 foot building setback line from
those slopes so again the standards are
the same we're not done yet
again this project because of the you
know recent interest to me know the
slide that occurred at Alice 9 and then
also you know with also in the past were
brought greater attention to the you
know the concerns with developing and
steep steep topography the the initial
critical areas report that we've
definitely prepared and has been peer
reviewed by gold or we've reached
concurrence on that but we're not done
yet we still have you know I mentioned
that we wrote a geotechnical engineering
report in in in 2015 I believe it's
dated December 2015 we have to update
that and that updates going to include
additional stability analysis reflecting
what the grading plan actually is
because when we did our original report
you know they had a conceptual grading
plan so we applied our analysis to that
well this thing has gone through several
generations and iterations if you will
of configurations and grades and so our
final geotechnical report will take into
account what the final grades are going
to be and we will have additional
stability analysis probably haven't
might have to go out and do some
additional site exploration to confirm
some geology that then will again be
peer reviewed by Golder and in
we'll have a I'm sure a number of
discussions with him so like again we're
not done so in your site investigation
did you do any subsurface sampling or
anything like yes we did yeah we
actually drilled 16 tests borings on
this site plus we had from our previous
previous exploration work we had I think
five or six test holes up in this area
along with a number of test pits so
we've got it pretty well covered and
we've walked the slope all the way up to
the top you mentioned there was a lot of
water on this side coming out of that
slope when that there absolutely right
there's a lot of water coming out of
that slope and we've got designs to
control that so that it does not result
in any impacts thank you I think they
had one thing so there was a lot of
covers comment about the city's
requirement for indemnification so it's
standard practice by the city to require
an indemnification on property that has
that is in a modified steep slope
there's really two reasons for that
obviously one is to try and keep the
city out of lawsuits but the second is
to provide an additional piece of
information for people buying houses
because you go out there to this
property when it's done you may never
know that there was a graded steep slope
underneath the house that you're buying
so that indemnity becomes now part of
the closing documents that you have and
it's something that gives buyers a
little bit better information before
they potentially buy a unit
mr. chairman I had a clarification I
think I misspoke a little earlier if I
might when I'm talking about traffic
mitigation what I said about people
every project contributing to a
mitigation fee that part is is accurate
where I was inaccurate was I've now been
reminded that for traffic mitigation
fees on phases one two and three have
already been paid and no show on page
the condition one page 42 in the latest
staff report I just wanted to build on
Commissioner Brennan's question a little
bit about steep slopes and and you may
not be here yet and this may be a
question for you so sorry if you have to
come back up can you just speak a little
bit to the construction methodology how
are these foundations being constructed
and how are the retaining walls being
constructed in terms of our using pin
piles are you doing a stacked wall are
those required and and possibly that's
more of a question for structural no I'd
be the question for me no the like I
said we went out and completed a fairly
extensive additional exploration work in
terms of 16 tests borings throughout the
site because we knew there was fill on
the site so that was a concern because
our original recommendations for Kelkar
ii particularly with the big buildings
was and heavy loads with existing fill
materials typically there'd be a risk of
settlement of those buildings if they
were sitting on conventional spread
footing foundations so those those
recommendations were to put those big
buildings on piles and the additional
exploration work that we did out there
demonstrated that the fill material is
in is in pretty decent shape and these
are like townhome wood-frame structures
so they don't wail heck of a lot and so
our intention there is that these
buildings will be supported on spread
footings conventional spread footings
which won't be a problem the retaining
walls themselves on the the walls that
are gonna be along the the west side of
Phase three two of those walls will be
Soldier pile walls
because we don't have the ability to cut
back in and lay back to slope into the
hillside so those will be soldier pile
walls basically they'll come in they'll
drill shafts insert a beam concrete and
then as they excavate they'll leg it and
so you support the toe of the hillside
as the excavation is going on so that it
will be done there the other walls on
site will be reinforced earth fill
whether we use geo grids we use
reinforced to fill behind the wall and
then we'll have either rock refacing or
some other segmental wall facing like
the Lock and Load and some of the things
keystone that are pretty common that you
see around here so those are those walls
then all the filming of the slopes that
are going to be regraded will be
regraded to engineering standards I'll
fill materials if there's a if there's a
steep slope that's exceeding that say
for example a slope that's 20% or
steeper we bench and cut into that
hillside to make sure the fill materials
that are placed over that are locked in
with that existing slow drainage is
installed to make sure that we don't
have any block off any subsurface
drainage from backside cuz when that
happens if you block it off you can have
a blowout you know because the pressures
build up behind it so that'll be all
those fields we placed and compacted in
engineered manner and and then once
everything is all said and done if
there's a remaining slope that is 40
percent or greater or from a retaining
wall there's a setback from that with
the building construction okay thank you
yeah just a follow-up question and
that's for Richard now when you when you
talk about soldier walls and retaining
walls you put it in I mean it's it's
really nice is that are you just gonna
leave it the way it is or this retreat
covers it excuse me I wanted to stand up
here and say after Ted is done and his
crews done then Nick comes in our
landscape architect and he addresses
exactly how we're going to landscape the
faces of these whether they be rock
walls or block walls or soldier piles
and all that's in in the record and in
the application okay thank you thank you
one more question / comment and this is
for staff for Steve Pfeffer key so there
are lots of concern obviously about
traffic and particularly down at the
intersection of Wildwood and Newports
way and kind of what's happening along
Newports way and we've heard that in
other projects that we've we've had in
front of us and can you talk a little
bit about what the city is doing to
respond to the community concerns and
then how people can get engaged because
what's happening there is a little
outside of the scope of what we're able
to deal with directly here but I know
the city is paying attention to that
issue and trying to find ways to respond
so we are so right now Newport has been
identified as one of a number of streets
in the city that is maybe overdue for
some attention and so the city is moving
forward with kind of a planning effort
to do a corridor study really in two
parts and think about SR 900 is the
split point so one is a west part from
SR 900 towards Bellevue and then the
other is from SR 900 south and so the
you know ultimately the vision for
Newport is going to include the addition
of some roundabouts
to help facilitate traffic movement I
know that once you get to the south end
of town we're really dealing with issues
of regional traffic on Newports front
street and sunset it's it's all the
traffic heading
wanting to use his quoi hope our road
and work its way down to Maple Valley
and ultimately black diamond the city is
also working with King County right now
REE looking at kind of Issaquah Hobart
Road and whether there's opportunities
to help facilitate the bottleneck that
right now is kind of choking the south
end of town what I would say is anybody
interested in having a conversation with
the city's traffic engineer Curt seaman
with Public Works engineering would be
the right person for you to engage in a
conversation about Newport on I'm not
qualified but I have a card and if you
want to email me I can send you Curt's
contact information and you also
mentioned I believe in the last meeting
that the council the City Council's
recently appointed a traffic advisory
board they formed one they actually
haven't been appointed yet so anybody
interested in serving on the city's
newly formed traffic advisory board
those positions will be advertised along
with all the other boards and
commissions at at the beginning of
January thanks that's cool
I'm gonna pay some interest in
Development Commission other comments
questions concerns I guess I'd like to
internally get people's thoughts about
the sidewalk and mr. Wagner could pull
up a site plan i i like sidewalks i need
to be able to walk on sidewalks on the
other hand I don't like creating more
impervious surface than is needed I can
understand the staffs position and
wanting to have something that does
connect to the street so I just want to
be clear you're welcome to have this
conversation the removal of a sidewalk
on a street is an AAS process which
would be probably outside of this
conversation and the applicant would be
able to make that application the reason
why there's a condition in the staff
report now is their plans don't show
that sidewalk so staff was being clear
that that needs to be there unless
there's a separate a as to remove it it
has to have a sidewalk on both sides of
an internal street all streets in the
city currently have sidewalks on both
sides including internal private streets
we don't treat private streets any
differently than we treat public streets
in other words you're saying it's a moot
point for I'm saying that you guys can
have a conversation I would love that
input as the decision maker of
potentially a request to remove a piece
of sidewalk from a street so if you guys
want to deliberate on that I would love
that input and I would actually consider
it as part of the decision that helps
thank you sure so the again my concern
is that that somebody the units on the
bottom in there that would be walking
down that street to get to sunrise
there's no sidewalk on the west side of
sunrise on the bottom side of sunrise so
they're not
necking into there it would be having to
cross sunrise somewhere and I always
think if it's me I'm going to take the
most direct path and if I met the end
units at the bottom slightly below rich
to the right there if I come to there
instead of going around a sidewalk I'm
gonna go straight across oh it's not
because you're lazy he's being smart
it's gonna take this short that's right
I'm smart and late yeah yeah I take the
same route head over there and then just
cross when I do the other corner the
friend depends if you have a bike with a
little kid on it you wanna be able to
just jump and cross or if you have a
stroller it's a little bit more
complicated too if you're doing this as
a pedestrian you are but if you have
little kids with you in strollers which
I'm pretty sure there will be plenty
it's gonna be complicated so people will
take the long route which I currently
think don't still have to cross the
street but where they have the crosswalk
they'll have to dip of the actual
crosswalk and they won't be going above
and under the curb yeah I was at the end
of the buildings where there's a
crosswalk in front of the buildings it
would come down if it didn't there would
come down right there was a dip to the
street level oh if the sidewalk ended
here yeah actually in our current
proposal if I go back up here there is a
concrete crosswalk here which obviously
it would not serve these last four units
but the intent was to bring people down
this sidewalk or and cross here and then
down in the initial proposal
so about this way on this really quick I
actually it's always a balance alright
because we're trying to minimize the
footprint and impervious area at the
same time we want to have something
that's attractive and convenient for the
people who live there in this particular
instance sense where people are going to
travel is going to be up up sunset it
doesn't seem to me that that that extra
segment of sidewalk is going to serve a
lot of benefit other than creating
impervious area if you create a
transition at the end of the sidewalk
where some of you with a stroller can
now cross over and then enter the
sidewalk on the other other side but
without a curb cut I tend to agree I
think if you've got a stroll or hop in
curbs and stuff is a little bit
challenging particular on is slope so if
there's not a solution that provides
that kind of convenience for the
multiple conditions
pedestrians might be dealing with like
strollers and bikes then you need the
crosswalk on both sides of the curve cut
up at the intersection which would be
the typical design of a sidewalk in Road
that helped so if you know there was
definitely a maybe thoughts there I
would say if the applicant wants to
request the removal of a sidewalk I will
try to incorporate this conversation
into that decision and that's on the
record we can certainly address that
later unless he we're looking for a
conclusion - no no I'm okay
given what peace provided on I think
that we handled through a separate
process thank you
yeah we'll work with you yes so other
comments concerns issues that need to be
discussed
just went quick I mean we've got a
significant amount of information in
front of us now that we've had a chance
to questions are there any gaps of
information that we need to fill here
and and I just from my perspective I
think I have the information that I need
to get to a decision I don't know if the
other commissioners are in that place
this evening but I would like to hear
that and if we are and we feel like
we've got the answers to the questions
and were satisfied with the design and I
would suggest we advance the project so
and move toward a motion if we're
comfortable and and I want to if I make
Michener's sorry I'm a little slow
tonight I've been in this room too much
this week there was one other comment
earlier that I'd like to actually spend
just a minute on and that's construction
noise and impacts and ours so what I
would say is and and staffs you know the
comment earlier was or the response
maybe was a little bit briefer than it
needed to be so the city just went
through a process of updating our
off-hours construction practices and
right now it used to be fairly typical
for contractors to ask to work on
Saturdays for contractors to work till 7
or 8 o'clock at night because during the
summertime when the sun's out you know
trying to squeeze every hour they can
out of the work day and so what was
clear to us is especially as some of
these new projects started to get built
adjacent to existing neighborhoods is
that our neighbors were taking the short
end of the stick and they needed to
actually we needed to rebalance that so
so right now basically our construction
off-hours construction code would say
they cannot work on Saturday period
unless they get concurrence from the
existing neighborhood so if they want to
work on a Saturday they're gonna come
have to ask re phase one and foothills
if it's within a certain distance of the
construction hours because you know
people just get saturated with no
and being inconvenienced and dust and
everything else so there's also that
kind of going beyond the normal
construction hours is also something
when you're in a residential area is
likely not going to get approved we've
also changed our notification to where
now we are moving towards requiring a
project sign so there will be a project
sign out on Sunrise that will not only
identify who to contact from the
contractor to the property owner if
there is so if they're coming in with
their dump trucks at 6:00 a.m. because
they got there early there's not only
city dispatch that you can call to
complain but you can also call the
contractors contact number as well as
the property owner
we also are providing kind of updates on
a monthly basis so that you guys can
come and see what do they expect to get
done that month you know maybe it's it's
working only on Phase two or maybe it's
doing foundations on Phase three but
going framing on Phase two that just
helps get the information out and so the
city's doing a lot to help with
communicating those construction impacts
to neighbors and so hopefully that's at
least a little bit of solace knowing
that you will you'll hear the noise
you're gonna not like the dust and the
inconvenience but hopefully we'll keep
that as minimal as we can so I just want
to put that on the record
so let me clarify that so no work on
Saturdays and Sundays you said Saturday
yeah no work on Sundays no work on
holidays the city does Saturdays on a
case-by-case basis and if they're
adjacent to a residential neighborhood
we basically ask them to get the
homeowners association to authorize it
before we'll give them approval to do
that so it puts the power really and it
helps that both the developer want to be
good neighbors with because they
actually hold some power over them if
they want to work on Saturdays or beyond
the normal curfew time during the week
and on weekdays what time today I
believe on weekdays right now we're at
breather at 6:00 or 7:00 I can't
remember which might have been seven I
think we I think we dialed it back to
six but I don't know for sure early and
6:00 p.m. is every time did you say and
they're beginning the beginning of noon
and is end it's right now it's 7:00 a.m.
to 6:00 p.m. 6:00 p.m.
7:00 to 6:00 okay and the intent of 7:00
is they don't arrive on-site till 7:00
so that's why sometimes you'll see
contractors hanging out on i-90 on the
off-ramp waiting for it to turn seven
o'clock if you're driving during that
time at least I do okay thank you
yep
other concerns we move towards emotion
emotion if be hard for me to read it
from here
so I
I'll do is I'll just make this motion on
the screen instead of reading it so can
we just add this emotion to the record
which read it I'll read it mr. chair I
move that the Development Commission
approve the administrative site
development permit ASDP 16s zero zero
zero zero four master site plan
amendment MSP a 16-0 zero zero zero one
and binding site plan amendment the bps
be SP 16 zero zero zero zero one Phillip
four Kelkar e phase two and three as
described and evaluated in the amended
staff report dated 18th of August 2017
with attachments one through six and
project drawings and reports the
briefing response memo dated September 7
September 14 2017 the clarification of
condition each relating to stormwater
the revision to kids the condition and
adding first place to the condition and
subject to the conditions therein as
amended tonight second
any discussion further discussion but
remote we can only have seven votes so
Commissioner Sanford I'd appreciate if
you would have vote appreciate your
comments but so all those in favor of
the motion say aye aye
all those opposed and I move that the
Development Commission direct the
development services department to
prepare findings of fact and conclusions
for review and approval by the
development Commission Chairman
affirming the development Commission's
decision to approve that Kelkar a phase
2 & 3 project file number a SDP 16000
zero for MSP a 16-2 zero zero zero zero
1 and b SP 16-2 zero zero zero zero one
subject to the conditions listed in the
staff report dated 18th of August 2017
with attachments one through six and
project drawings and reports the
briefing response mammal dated September
14 2017 and the clarification of
condition age relating to stormwater the
revision to condition in and adding
first place to the condition and subject
to the conditions therein has amended
tonight second further discussion
all those in favor of the motion when
you say aye
all those opposed all right it's again
the motion carries so I think we do
appreciate the input from the from the
public it's a it's part of the political
process and it's essential
don't give up on us we really do
appreciate your input and so with no
further ado let's end the meeting
you