Transportation Advisory Board · Wednesday, October 22, 2025 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of August 27, 2025

packet pp.3–4

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 08-27-25 Transportation Advisory Board Minutes Page [1] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Transportation Advisory Board 6:00 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. August 27, 2025 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Issaquah Climate Action Plan (ICAP) Update (D)

Stacy Vynne McKinstry, Sustainability Manager · packet pp.5–31

Topics: Climate

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Review proposed Provide update on revisions to ICAP progress transportation actions

Chair and Vice-Chair Nominations & Elections (A)

5. REPORTS

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0:02 ↗ at 602.

0:05 ↗ Staff, do we have a quorum?

0:07 ↗ >> Uh, chair, we do have a quorum.

0:11 ↗ >> Um, just want to pause to make sure that

0:14 ↗ we're online and recording.

0:16 ↗ I was keeping. Okay. Thank you. Um,

0:21 ↗ and I don't have a need to use alter

0:24 ↗ tonight.

0:29 ↗ 18.

0:32 ↗ >> Okay. Our first item of business is to

0:35 ↗ take a minute to approve the minutes for

0:37 ↗ the August 27th, 2025 tab meeting. Are

0:40 ↗ there any corrections to the draft

0:42 ↗ meeting minutes provided in the agenda?

0:49 ↗ Okay. If there are no edits, uh, no

0:52 ↗ objections to approve the minutes as

0:53 ↗ presented. I will proceed to consider

0:55 ↗ the minutes approved as presented. Our

1:00 ↗ next item of business is public comment.

1:02 ↗ Staff, has anyone signed up for public

1:04 ↗ comment tonight? Sure.

1:06 ↗ >> No one has uh sign up for public comment

1:08 ↗ uh in person. I do see one person

1:10 ↗ online. Um so I can see if they're

1:13 ↗ interested,

1:18 ↗ are you interested in providing public

1:20 ↗ comment?

1:31 ↗ Okay. So, just open and they are no

1:34 ↗ longer there. So,

1:38 ↗ and we didn't get any written public

1:39 ↗ comment.

1:42 ↗ Okay. Um

1:44 ↗ hearing

1:46 ↗ public comment, we'll move on to regular

1:48 ↗ business.

1:50 ↗ Um up first is the um ical climate

1:56 ↗ action plan update.

2:00 ↗ Um, Stacy Vin McKinstry,

2:03 ↗ sustainability manager will be

2:04 ↗ presenting tonight.

2:07 ↗ And if you're ready, go ahead.

2:15 ↗ Well, thank you very much. Thanks for

2:17 ↗ making time on the agenda for this topic

2:19 ↗ tonight. um you are the first border

2:23 ↗ commission outside the environmental

2:24 ↗ board that we're bringing the climate

2:26 ↗ action plan update to. So this is a bit

2:29 ↗ of a a test on how we're meeting with

2:31 ↗ each of those boards and going through

2:33 ↗ some of the recommendations for updating

2:35 ↗ the plan. Um before launching into the

2:39 ↗ um the work of the committees we've

2:42 ↗ done, I did want to provide just a

2:44 ↗ little bit of a background on the

2:46 ↗ climate action plan, the progress we've

2:48 ↗ been making, and then I'll talk about

2:50 ↗ the prog the process we're going through

2:51 ↗ to update the plan. Um and really the

2:55 ↗ intent tonight is to get your input on

2:57 ↗ some uh proposed early revisions to

3:00 ↗ actions in the plan most related to uh

3:03 ↗ transportation.

3:05 ↗ Um, so I'll walk through the overview of

3:08 ↗ the climate plan, the work we're doing

3:10 ↗ on uh implementation, the update. I'm

3:14 ↗ going to summarize the input that we've

3:15 ↗ received from the committee, and then

3:17 ↗ we'll bring forward um a number of

3:20 ↗ actions and approach to the

3:23 ↗ transportation section that we'd like

3:24 ↗ your feedback on. We were talking a

3:26 ↗ minute ago about possibly breaking out

3:28 ↗ into a couple of groups. Um, I'm

3:31 ↗ wondering with Andrea and Brent online

3:33 ↗ that might make it a little bit more

3:35 ↗ difficult, but we can talk about that

3:36 ↗ when we get to that section.

3:41 ↗ So, just to start off with an overview

3:43 ↗ of our climate city's climate action

3:46 ↗ plan and implementation. Um, our climate

3:49 ↗ action plan was adopted in December of

3:52 ↗ 2021. Uh, we are well underway with

3:56 ↗ implementation. The plan sets targets

3:58 ↗ and identifies actions uh both for

4:01 ↗ reducing greenhouse gas emissions as

4:03 ↗ well as preparing for the impacts of

4:06 ↗ climate change. We have six focus area

4:09 ↗ what we call focus areas or um groups of

4:12 ↗ goals and targets and actions within the

4:14 ↗ plan. Those are overarching actions that

4:17 ↗ address areas such as um education

4:20 ↗ outreach. We have a transportation, land

4:22 ↗ use section, natural systems and water

4:24 ↗ resources, buildings and energy,

4:27 ↗ materials and resources, and then

4:29 ↗ community resilience and well-being.

4:32 ↗ Uh we have been actively implementing

4:35 ↗ the plan since adoption with a small

4:37 ↗ team. It was a one-person team for the

4:39 ↗ first year and we've expanded to two

4:41 ↗ people. Um and then we occasionally have

4:44 ↗ fellows or interns that help out with

4:47 ↗ our work. Um and then we work really

4:49 ↗ closely across all the departments in

4:51 ↗ the city uh to support implementation of

4:54 ↗ the actions in the plan as well as

4:57 ↗ working with community partners and uh

4:59 ↗ jurisdictions across um the region to

5:02 ↗ implement projects.

5:04 ↗ We do have a public facing dashboard

5:07 ↗ where we report quarterly on progress

5:09 ↗ that we're making in the plan. And

5:12 ↗ within that dashboard, we are reporting

5:14 ↗ that we have about 90% of our actions in

5:18 ↗ the plan are complete. They are on

5:21 ↗ track, meaning they're moving forward as

5:23 ↗ expected or they're in progress, maybe

5:25 ↗ meaning that they're moving forward

5:27 ↗ maybe with some delays or um unexpected

5:29 ↗ challenges, but they are being advanced.

5:33 ↗ Um we have a number of projects,

5:35 ↗ programs and policies that are actively

5:38 ↗ being implemented both at the city and

5:40 ↗ the community level. So just some

5:42 ↗ examples of projects is our city

5:44 ↗ operations. In the last two years, we've

5:48 ↗ installed 19 electric vehicle chargers

5:51 ↗ and transitioned a number of sub of city

5:53 ↗ vehicles to EVs. Um we've also worked

5:57 ↗ with our facilities team to update heat

5:59 ↗ and ventilation systems. um they put in

6:01 ↗ heat pumps in this building for example.

6:04 ↗ Um and we have two big solar

6:05 ↗ installations happening this fall and

6:07 ↗ winter.

6:09 ↗ At the community level, uh we also have

6:11 ↗ a number of programs, [snorts] projects

6:12 ↗ underway. Um we've been working with

6:15 ↗ other entities such as PSSE to get more

6:18 ↗ electric vehicle charging in. We have a

6:20 ↗ residential heat pump and solar program

6:23 ↗ and we work with community buildings to

6:25 ↗ help them meet their state energy

6:26 ↗ efficiency measures.

6:29 ↗ We've also been very successful with

6:30 ↗ grants thanks uh mostly to the state and

6:34 ↗ the state's climate commitment act which

6:36 ↗ has helped fund a lot of our projects

6:37 ↗ and programs.

6:39 ↗ Um but that being said uh we are making

6:42 ↗ a lot of progress on our actions. Um but

6:45 ↗ we are not advancing as fast as we need

6:48 ↗ to with the targets in the climate

6:50 ↗ action plan. um we're not advancing as

6:52 ↗ fast as we need to in reducing our

6:54 ↗ greenhouse gas emissions for example or

6:57 ↗ energy efficiency in our buildings.

7:00 ↗ So it is a great time to be updating our

7:03 ↗ plan. We have kind of four years of

7:05 ↗ experience under our belt. We have a

7:07 ↗ good idea of what we need to be working

7:09 ↗ on particularly buildings and

7:11 ↗ transportation. Um and so uh we are

7:14 ↗ embarking on this update to the climate

7:16 ↗ plan as was called out in the plan.

7:21 ↗ Um so our approach to the plan update um

7:26 ↗ we are calling it kind of a refresh or a

7:29 ↗ light approach. We're not doing a

7:30 ↗ complete overhaul of the plan. Um but we

7:34 ↗ do know a number of areas that we want

7:37 ↗ to make improvements on based on our

7:39 ↗ experience

7:40 ↗ with implementation over the last four

7:42 ↗ years. Um we know that there's a number

7:45 ↗ of sections in the plan that needed a

7:46 ↗ deeper dive and so we formed committees

7:49 ↗ with subject matter experts. Um, for

7:52 ↗ instance, our natural systems and water

7:56 ↗ resources section of the plan has a

7:58 ↗ target around tree canopy, but none of

8:00 ↗ the actions within that section related

8:03 ↗ to tree canopy. Um, the other section we

8:06 ↗ wanted to focus in on was land use and

8:08 ↗ transportation. Um, because of the

8:10 ↗ update to title 18, our land use code, a

8:13 ↗ lot of those actions were complete. um

8:16 ↗ as well as with the update to the

8:17 ↗ mobility action plan, we thought it was

8:19 ↗ good to do a bit deeper dive.

8:22 ↗ Um and then the other um area of

8:25 ↗ information that's really helping inform

8:27 ↗ the plan is a number of our neighboring

8:30 ↗ jurisdictions are undergoing plan

8:32 ↗ updates. So there's a great opportunity

8:34 ↗ to pull from them. Um Redmond,

8:36 ↗ Belleview, and King County are just

8:39 ↗ either just completed their update or

8:41 ↗ completed this fall.

8:43 ↗ Um, and then before we kind of launch it

8:46 ↗ into actions and review, I did want to

8:50 ↗ note one thing we're considering based

8:52 ↗ on some review of other plans is

8:54 ↗ possibly extending the life of the next

8:56 ↗ plan. And that might be something to

8:58 ↗ consider as we're looking at which

9:00 ↗ actions we want to propose. So instead

9:02 ↗ of a five-year plan, maybe thinking

9:04 ↗ about an eight or 10 year plan that

9:07 ↗ would have some regular check-ins.

9:13 ↗ Um,

9:15 ↗ let me actually pause there before I

9:18 ↗ move into kind of diving right into the

9:21 ↗ process and the proposals. Any questions

9:24 ↗ kind of on time action plan

9:26 ↗ implementation,

9:27 ↗ why we're doing an update or approach to

9:29 ↗ the update?

9:31 ↗ got a question. I'm gonna ask for you to

9:34 ↗ use our turn your name tag system

9:38 ↗ also Julian. Okay, go ahead.

9:40 ↗ >> You mentioned the 10-year time frame. Is

9:43 ↗ there a particular reason that we're

9:45 ↗ thinking about doing 10 year versus

9:47 ↗ shorter time frames?

9:48 ↗ >> Yeah. Not um there have been some

9:50 ↗ jurisdictions that have looked at more

9:52 ↗ of a 10-year plan. I think we feel five

9:56 ↗ years goes by really really fast and in

9:58 ↗ general we have a pretty good sense of

10:01 ↗ what needs to be done um in terms of

10:04 ↗ reducing our emissions and preparing for

10:06 ↗ climate change. So we don't necessarily

10:08 ↗ think the types of actions or even our

10:11 ↗ targets would change significantly if we

10:13 ↗ were to look out at a longer time frame

10:15 ↗ for implementation.

10:17 ↗ Um,

10:19 ↗ even at what we are calling a light

10:22 ↗ update or a refresh of the plan takes a

10:24 ↗ lot of staff work. Um, we were really

10:27 ↗ fortunate to have a grant to help with

10:29 ↗ some of the earlier work on the update,

10:31 ↗ but it's expensive. It takes a lot of

10:33 ↗ staff time and it's taking time away

10:35 ↗ from implementation of programs and

10:37 ↗ projects. So just providing ourselves a

10:39 ↗ little bit more time um to focus on

10:42 ↗ implementation

10:44 ↗ before moving into another big update

10:46 ↗ process would um be beneficial. Uh one

10:49 ↗ thing we did talk to the environmental

10:50 ↗ board about is if we do go to a longer

10:53 ↗ time frame um we would be releasing more

10:56 ↗ detailed work plans um that would

10:59 ↗ probably coincide with the city's budget

11:01 ↗ process. We [clears throat] would

11:03 ↗ include some triggers in the plan that

11:06 ↗ if the landscape completely changed, it

11:09 ↗ might lead us to do an update earlier,

11:12 ↗ but we'd make sure there's some kind of

11:13 ↗ protective measures in there that could

11:15 ↗ possibly lead us doing an earlier

11:17 ↗ update. But those are some of the

11:19 ↗ considerations. Yeah, I definitely

11:20 ↗ welcome feedback on that tonight as

11:22 ↗ well.

11:24 ↗ >> Adam,

11:25 ↗ >> yeah, so uh climate action is to climate

11:29 ↗ these these are pretty broad terms. Uh

11:31 ↗ maybe to scope things for tonight, do

11:33 ↗ you want to talk a little bit about the

11:35 ↗ history of like what is the scope of the

11:36 ↗ issue climate action plan? What are we

11:39 ↗ trying to achieve? Um

11:42 ↗ who decided it? How did we get here?

11:44 ↗ That'll kind of narrow in what we're

11:46 ↗ looking at tonight.

11:47 ↗ >> Yeah, great question. Um so, uh 2021 was

11:51 ↗ the city's first climate action plan.

11:53 ↗ Prior to that, there was um a

11:56 ↗ sustainability department that was

11:58 ↗ actively doing work around kind of

12:00 ↗ general sustainability. So looking at

12:02 ↗ policies and programs around buildings

12:04 ↗ and I would expect probably working with

12:06 ↗ transportation. I know they ran a um

12:09 ↗ residential solar campaign. So there was

12:11 ↗ a lot of work already happening. Um

12:14 ↗ there was a sustainable building policy,

12:16 ↗ but there was not a plan really focused

12:19 ↗ on greenhouse gas emissions. The city

12:22 ↗ had signed on many years earlier to um

12:27 ↗ emission reduction targets that were uh

12:30 ↗ developed jointly with King County and

12:32 ↗ neighboring jurisdictions uh through a

12:35 ↗ um collaboration called the King King

12:37 ↗ County um city's climate collaboration

12:40 ↗ group. Um so we had made some

12:42 ↗ commitments but those weren't

12:44 ↗ necessarily described in a city specific

12:47 ↗ plan. Um, and so, and this was prior to

12:51 ↗ me starting, so I may not get all all

12:53 ↗ the facts right, but um, a lot of that

12:55 ↗ kind of led to the buildup of the city

12:57 ↗ wanting to have a plan that was really

12:59 ↗ focused in on climate action and

13:01 ↗ reducing our emissions in the areas we

13:03 ↗ knew were most impactful and really

13:05 ↗ providing that roadmap um, for cities as

13:08 ↗ well as community partners.

13:10 ↗ couple years um or two years building up

13:13 ↗ to that plan development, the city held

13:15 ↗ a number of listening sessions with the

13:17 ↗ community to really get input, hear the

13:19 ↗ priorities. I think a lot of that was

13:21 ↗ also the buildup to plan development. At

13:24 ↗ the same time, the environmental board

13:26 ↗ was also forming and was tasked with um

13:29 ↗ helping with the implementation of the

13:31 ↗ plans.

13:33 ↗ So yeah, so our plan I didn't cover

13:35 ↗ really the targets um or big overarching

13:38 ↗ goals of the plans, but they align with

13:39 ↗ those six focus areas um that I

13:42 ↗ described. So there's overarching

13:44 ↗ targets for reducing emissions, there's

13:46 ↗ targets around buildings, natural

13:48 ↗ system transportation

13:51 ↗ etc. that I can more details that help a

13:54 ↗ little bit set the stage. One follow on

13:57 ↗ the uh since this was sort of formed in

14:00 ↗ collaboration with other communities,

14:02 ↗ other cities and county.

14:05 ↗ >> Uh what's the state of the ongoing

14:06 ↗ collaboration?

14:08 ↗ >> Yeah. Um so the King County's climate

14:10 ↗ collaboration K4C still exists as a very

14:13 ↗ active group and um still has targets

14:17 ↗ that they um work with all the

14:20 ↗ communities to sign on to for reducing

14:22 ↗ emissions. Um we have in the meantime

14:26 ↗ formed another partnership uh with our

14:29 ↗ east side cities and that partnership

14:31 ↗ was formed um to run joint programs

14:36 ↗ together. So one of those is our heat

14:38 ↗ pump program for example. But that those

14:40 ↗ six cities are also holding each other

14:42 ↗ very accountable for implementing plans.

14:44 ↗ We're sharing ideas uh around policies

14:47 ↗ or kind of big bold actions we might

14:49 ↗ take. So, one city isn't standing alone

14:52 ↗ with a policy or action that might seem

14:54 ↗ a little controversial if it's just

14:56 ↗ them, but we have um kind of a network

14:58 ↗ of cities that are also trying to

15:00 ↗ advance some of those goals. But yeah,

15:02 ↗ it's it is only grown um since the city

15:05 ↗ adopted the plan in 21 uh through those

15:07 ↗ partnerships, regional partnerships.

15:11 ↗ >> Um are we going to get an opportunity

15:14 ↗ tonight to kind of have an overview of

15:15 ↗ the goals that have been reached and

15:17 ↗ which ones haven't? Yeah, I didn't have

15:20 ↗ that um on the agenda, but I'm happy

15:23 ↗ maybe it'd be good to I could provide

15:24 ↗ kind of a followup um write up. We do

15:28 ↗ have a very detailed report that went to

15:32 ↗ council um this summer um so I can make

15:36 ↗ sure that Thomas has that to send it up.

15:38 ↗ And then we're working on an update to

15:40 ↗ that report um that'll be a little bit

15:42 ↗ more communityf facing that'll be

15:44 ↗ released in December. But that'll report

15:46 ↗ out on target status and actions. I will

15:50 ↗ say um transportation related, we're

15:53 ↗ actually from our last inventory. Um we

15:57 ↗ are in a good place in terms of meeting

15:59 ↗ our targets for transportation, but we

16:01 ↗ think a lot of that is still um kind of

16:04 ↗ co residual COVID. a lot of people

16:06 ↗ working from home. Um, we are in the

16:09 ↗ process of doing an updated inventory

16:12 ↗ that'll look at 24. That might level set

16:15 ↗ us a little bit.

16:20 ↗ >> Julian, did you that was exactly my

16:23 ↗ question about the status of the current

16:25 ↗ inventory for both transportation and

16:26 ↗ land use and the buildings energy and

16:28 ↗ overarching climate actions. I I believe

16:30 ↗ we already saw some updated numbers for

16:32 ↗ the overall uh greenhouse gases

16:36 ↗ emissions.

16:38 ↗ >> Yeah. So, our last inventory is 2022

16:40 ↗ that covered both community emissions as

16:43 ↗ well as city operations. Um the one

16:46 ↗ we're working on right now is for 2024.

16:48 ↗ The inventories lag quite a bit because

16:51 ↗ we have to wait for data from PSSE and

16:54 ↗ other entities, but that will be

16:55 ↗ released early in January. So, we're

16:58 ↗ looking forward to seeing 2024 because

17:00 ↗ it'll be kind of a couple years out of

17:02 ↗ CO and might give us a little bit more

17:04 ↗ information of what's really happening.

17:09 ↗ I have a question is um would I'm

17:13 ↗ curious about

17:15 ↗ um like our results and the things that

17:19 ↗ actions that have been completed how

17:21 ↗ that feeds into uh the regional

17:23 ↗ collaborations like whether it's east

17:24 ↗ side or the K4C um and then would some

17:28 ↗ of the recommendations and questions

17:30 ↗ would that help with that process as

17:33 ↗ well or is it it's a bit more internal

17:35 ↗ like for the city? Yeah, that's a great

17:37 ↗ question. Um, we're definitely trying to

17:40 ↗ align

17:41 ↗ actions and policies with what's being

17:44 ↗ done at the county level as well as the

17:47 ↗ regional, but we are our own unique

17:51 ↗ jurisdictions. There's things actually

17:53 ↗ we can do. We're a little bit more

17:54 ↗ nimble being smaller and there's a lot

17:56 ↗ of things we can do compared to um even

17:59 ↗ a Belleview and Redmond. So in some

18:01 ↗ cases we've been piloting some programs

18:04 ↗ here that our east side collaboration

18:06 ↗ then will um kind of take the lessons

18:09 ↗ learned and roll out more broadly. So

18:12 ↗ yeah, I'd say wherever there's a new

18:14 ↗ unique opportunity um especially around

18:18 ↗ for the policy level um that's where

18:20 ↗ we're really thinking going to need to

18:22 ↗ lean a little bit heavier in this plan

18:24 ↗ update. But yeah, there's a lot of kind

18:26 ↗ of back and forth learning and

18:28 ↗ exchanging

18:31 ↗ hasn't

18:34 ↗ question

18:36 ↗ otherwise we can transition to or you

18:39 ↗ can I guess yeah you

18:41 ↗ >> get a little deeper and I'll say um just

18:43 ↗ uh get a little your comment too this

18:46 ↗ will can be a first conversation so if

18:48 ↗ you all feel like we needed a little bit

18:52 ↗ overview before diving in deep um I am

18:55 ↗ happy to come back I think there may be

18:57 ↗ some back and forth between taking your

18:59 ↗ feedback back to the environmental board

19:00 ↗ coming back. So, um definitely don't

19:03 ↗ this doesn't have to be the only

19:05 ↗ conversation and only touch point um if

19:07 ↗ we want to get deeper.

19:11 ↗ >> Great. So, just moving into the

19:13 ↗ committee approach. So, um again, we

19:16 ↗ formed these committees around a couple

19:18 ↗ of focus areas that we felt really

19:20 ↗ needed a deeper dive. Um and the land

19:23 ↗ use and transportation section was one

19:25 ↗ of those. Um, we had uh members of the

19:30 ↗ environmental board as well as

19:31 ↗ representatives from other boards and

19:33 ↗ commissions. Adam and Julian were on the

19:38 ↗ uh committee and I'll have them speak in

19:40 ↗ a moment about their experience. Um, and

19:43 ↗ the snowfall main tribe was also engaged

19:45 ↗ in the natural systems committee. Um

19:49 ↗ those groups met twice in the spring and

19:51 ↗ then early summer uh and really looked

19:54 ↗ at the goals and objectives that they

19:57 ↗ wanted to come out of these discussions

19:59 ↗ on the section of the climate plan. They

20:02 ↗ reviewed the current actions. They

20:03 ↗ looked at actions being proposed um in

20:07 ↗ other cities or that have been recently

20:09 ↗ adopted in other city plans and then

20:11 ↗ they provided recommendations back to

20:14 ↗ staff.

20:16 ↗ Um this is just a snapshot of um the

20:19 ↗ committee members um

20:22 ↗ that we had for both of those meetings.

20:27 ↗ And then I thought what I would do um

20:29 ↗ briefly is just provide a highlevel

20:32 ↗ summary of the feedback that we heard

20:33 ↗ around transportation and then I'll turn

20:35 ↗ it over to and Adam if you guys have

20:38 ↗ comments you want to make. Um,

20:43 ↗ and then after the general feedback,

20:45 ↗ what we'll do is move into some more

20:48 ↗ specific questions that we wanted

20:50 ↗ feedback on. And if we think it will

20:52 ↗ work, we can try breakout groups. Um,

20:56 ↗ but we can talk about that in just a

20:57 ↗ moment. Um, so in general, the feedback

21:00 ↗ we heard from the committee around

21:01 ↗ transportation

21:03 ↗ was really wanting to uh develop a

21:06 ↗ deeper link between transportation and

21:08 ↗ land use. um more dense denser growth,

21:11 ↗ more mixeduse development. Um

21:15 ↗ we probably won't touch on that too much

21:17 ↗ tonight, but that's a conversation we'll

21:19 ↗ have with you all and uh PPC over the

21:22 ↗ coming months. There were a lot of

21:24 ↗ concerns around transit and King County

21:26 ↗ Metro's process uh where they're not

21:29 ↗ going to develop uh extend their transit

21:33 ↗ before we grow, but we also can't grow

21:36 ↗ without the transit available. Um and so

21:39 ↗ just there was a bit of a recognition

21:40 ↗ around increased transit may need to

21:43 ↗ follow growth. Um but there needs to be

21:46 ↗ some consideration for short-term

21:47 ↗ solutions if we're waiting for the

21:49 ↗ transit to come. Um there was a lot of

21:52 ↗ interest on focusing on [clears throat]

21:54 ↗ transit access.

21:56 ↗ Um even considering parking limits uh to

22:00 ↗ um encourage more use of transit.

22:03 ↗ Um

22:07 ↗ there was um we'll get to this in a

22:09 ↗ minute, but there was some concern

22:11 ↗ around redundancy of actions in the

22:13 ↗ various plans and the need to more

22:15 ↗ streamline implementation efforts. Um

22:18 ↗ and then the committee really expressed

22:20 ↗ a strong support for expanding bike and

22:22 ↗ ebike infrastructure.

22:25 ↗ Um needing to help engage the community

22:27 ↗ to improve bike adoption.

22:30 ↗ um and really ensuring that the city is

22:32 ↗ thinking long term about how we improve

22:34 ↗ biking infrastructure.

22:36 ↗ And then one of the final areas they

22:39 ↗ touched on was around electric vehicle

22:42 ↗ charging infrastructure. uh really

22:44 ↗ wanting to see an increase

22:46 ↗ implementation in multifamily dwellings

22:50 ↗ um and that there's a role for the city

22:52 ↗ to help move that forward also in

22:53 ↗ collaboration with um Puget Sound Energy

22:56 ↗ and ensuring that there's enough

22:58 ↗ um electrical capacity to meet the

23:02 ↗ demands. So that's kind of just my

23:05 ↗ overarching summary. I know it was four

23:09 ↗ months ago, but [laughter]

23:10 ↗ if our committee reps have um things

23:13 ↗ they want to add or just share anything

23:15 ↗ about the process.

23:18 ↗ >> Okay. Uh so it was uh April and June. We

23:23 ↗ had a couple of online meetings. It was

23:24 ↗ about I don't know a few hours total of

23:27 ↗ discussing with So um Stacy

23:32 ↗ [clears throat] mentioned several of the

23:34 ↗ items that we discussed. There were

23:36 ↗ other things that kind of we didn't

23:39 ↗ really have time to go deeper on a lot

23:41 ↗ of things. I'm sure any of any of these

23:43 ↗ types of committees, you can go as deep

23:46 ↗ as you like and get all sorts of ideas

23:48 ↗ on it. Um, one of the things I really

23:51 ↗ like about the climate action plan is

23:53 ↗ that it's it's very specific in how it's

23:55 ↗ measured, certainly relative to a lot of

23:58 ↗ isiquas plans. Um, so the greenhouse gas

24:01 ↗ inventory, great place to start. Um it

24:05 ↗ it also talks a lot about like vehicle

24:07 ↗ miles traveled and uh kilowatt hours

24:09 ↗ used and things that are very

24:10 ↗ measurable. Uh so we can track that over

24:12 ↗ time. Um

24:15 ↗ there's always room for improvement on

24:17 ↗ this. So we did talk a little bit about

24:18 ↗ that and I I think maybe

24:21 ↗ in years in future years it would be

24:23 ↗ nice to continue to make that even more

24:25 ↗ objective as to how everything

24:27 ↗ [clears throat] in the plan relates to

24:29 ↗ improving metrics and prioritization

24:31 ↗ among them and all that. Um, so I won't

24:34 ↗ go too deep into like specifics that,

24:36 ↗ you know, we didn't cover or we didn't

24:37 ↗ get deep enough into. Um, but we did we

24:40 ↗ did kind of have a mostly brainstorming

24:43 ↗ session. And so I think Julian and I are

24:46 ↗ seeing a lot of the uh current form of

24:49 ↗ the recommendations kind of tonight

24:52 ↗ along with you all.

24:54 ↗ >> Yeah. I mean I think one of the topics

24:57 ↗ we kind of thought about um [snorts] you

25:00 ↗ know I think was mainly you know transit

25:02 ↗ access and

25:05 ↗ transit related issues but also um EVs

25:09 ↗ and kind of looking at not just the

25:12 ↗ parking but also how do we balance or

25:15 ↗ how do we kind of put that into the

25:18 ↗ climate action plan right of do we want

25:21 ↗ to make the parking slots actually ready

25:25 ↗ for like Chris ready or do we want to

25:27 ↗ have them to be like armed with the with

25:30 ↗ the um chargers? And so we had a pretty

25:34 ↗ robust discussion there. I I still

25:36 ↗ remember that. Um and so yeah, I think

25:39 ↗ that was one of the main things that we

25:41 ↗ were talking about when it came to EVs

25:43 ↗ of like do we want them to just be wired

25:45 ↗ up or do we want them to actually have

25:46 ↗ the chargers uh in the parking areas as

25:49 ↗ well? Um

25:52 ↗ and then yeah [clears throat] I think

25:54 ↗ parking just in general was a big

25:58 ↗ con a big big point that we were making

26:01 ↗ of you know when relating to transit

26:04 ↗ relating to bikes relating to other

26:06 ↗ forms of transportation and how we can

26:08 ↗ better manage land use for for

26:11 ↗ transportation. So

26:13 ↗ that's what

26:20 ↗ I was just wondering if you could

26:22 ↗ summarize the discussion on parking. Are

26:25 ↗ you talking primarily about requiring

26:27 ↗ less parking for developments or what

26:29 ↗ what what was the nature of that

26:31 ↗ discussion around parking?

26:34 ↗ >> By my memory, it's it was about um like

26:39 ↗ the EV parking. Oh, like prior

26:42 ↗ >> a lot of it was a lot of it was about EV

26:44 ↗ parking of like do do we want to have

26:46 ↗ parking stalls to be wired for like

26:49 ↗ ready

26:50 ↗ >> signing parking spots for EV chargers

26:52 ↗ you mean?

26:53 ↗ >> Or do we want to have actual EV chargers

26:55 ↗ in those in those um in those stalls? So

26:59 ↗ like I know some of the standards are

27:00 ↗ like 10% of the stalls need to be

27:04 ↗ >> ready and then another 10%

27:07 ↗ >> what would end up in title 18 which is

27:09 ↗ like parking spaces for uh that wasn't

27:12 ↗ >> that did come up as well just limiting

27:14 ↗ parking I think especially in central is

27:17 ↗ >> lowering

27:20 ↗ I think I personally brought up parking

27:22 ↗ maximums

27:24 ↗ and near near trans centers not sure

27:28 ↗ like a place to start at least just

27:29 ↗ lowering requirements.

27:31 ↗ >> I can speak on that for a moment.

27:34 ↗ >> So, our last legislative session uh

27:37 ↗ ended I think in uh April. Um yeah, you

27:40 ↗ would know. Um uh that led to lots of

27:45 ↗ parking related uh statewide.

27:48 ↗ >> Um so we recently updated our land use

27:51 ↗ code specifically [clears throat] in the

27:52 ↗ parking section. Um, not only was it

27:56 ↗ related to like uh like

28:00 ↗ uh I think it's like no parking uh

28:04 ↗ minimums within like basically like

28:06 ↗ central Isqua um for housing related

28:11 ↗ land uses. Uh we also for the longest

28:15 ↗ time had um a park parking structure

28:18 ↗ requirement um in central Isqua for like

28:22 ↗ housing related uses. Um but new state

28:25 ↗ law said you can't require um any sort

28:28 ↗ of structured parking. So like no

28:30 ↗ garages, no like structured I guess

28:34 ↗ that's also a garage. um anything that

28:37 ↗ like houses uh a vehicle um for housing

28:40 ↗ related uses. Um so that was part of it.

28:43 ↗ Uh we also were responding to another

28:47 ↗ state mandate uh to

28:50 ↗ I'm getting gonna get it wrong but

28:52 ↗ there's like three diff four different

28:53 ↗ levels of electric vehicle readiness and

28:56 ↗ it was like adding the most minimum uh

28:59 ↗ which is basically like the conduit in

29:02 ↗ the wall but not like

29:04 ↗ >> not not the receptacle. Yeah. Yeah.

29:06 ↗ [snorts]

29:07 ↗ >> I think it's called

29:10 ↗ or you have to leave

29:11 ↗ >> I I have to leave it open. Yeah, I know.

29:14 ↗ >> Okay.

29:14 ↗ >> I didn't train it.

29:16 ↗ >> That's all.

29:17 ↗ >> Yeah, it's just a record.

29:19 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah.

29:22 ↗ >> Oh, my question was about the thought

29:24 ↗ process behind incentivizing bikes and

29:27 ↗ then what like charging would look like

29:29 ↗ practically for that.

29:33 ↗ >> Yeah. From the comm that the committee

29:35 ↗ recommended. Yeah. And happy to get into

29:37 ↗ that discussion. I think that's one of

29:38 ↗ the um there's some new actions proposed

29:42 ↗ around that. But I think there was a lot

29:44 ↗ of interest in just creating more

29:47 ↗ opportunities for folks to be bike

29:49 ↗ commuting or biking to school. Uh given

29:52 ↗ that we live in a really hilly city,

29:54 ↗ there's a lot of interest in ebikes and

29:56 ↗ offering incentives to make sure that um

30:00 ↗ no matter the household's income that

30:01 ↗ folks have access to ebikes um for

30:04 ↗ charging infrastructure. I don't

30:06 ↗ remember if that I'll have to look back

30:08 ↗ at the recommendations. I'm not sure how

30:10 ↗ much that came up for ebikes given that

30:12 ↗ a lot of the commuting would probably be

30:14 ↗ within the city for that. But that's

30:16 ↗ something I can make a note of and we

30:18 ↗ can make sure to capture that if um when

30:21 ↗ we get to some of those um actions that

30:24 ↗ relate to it. As an aside, um I was at a

30:27 ↗ library and I saw somebody had connected

30:30 ↗ their ebike to an electric vehicle

30:34 ↗ charging unit and there's an adapter

30:36 ↗ that I guess you can purchase and this

30:38 ↗ was new for me. I didn't know that

30:40 ↗ existed but

30:42 ↗ >> market will find [laughter]

30:44 ↗ use for it. So that I think that's sort

30:46 ↗ of one way that that sort of solves

30:49 ↗ itself.

30:51 ↗ Um that would be great topic we could

30:52 ↗ talk about in a minute [clears throat]

30:53 ↗ when we look at that um action whether

30:56 ↗ it's not you had concerns about it or

30:57 ↗ just wanting to make sure that there's

30:59 ↗ also charging infrastructure.

31:01 ↗ >> Yeah, I think we did mention or at least

31:03 ↗ it was brought up. Not sure if if we

31:05 ↗ came to a consensus about it, but I

31:07 ↗ think that was brought up.

31:11 ↗ >> That's pretty cool.

31:13 ↗ >> Go ahead.

31:14 ↗ >> Um I had a question for Thomas kind of

31:16 ↗ elaborating on you mentioned some kind

31:18 ↗ of a state decision. Could you just I I

31:20 ↗ wasn't aware of this. Could you just

31:21 ↗ like briefly discuss the state decision

31:24 ↗ with parking?

31:25 ↗ >> Sure. Uh there was a couple state

31:27 ↗ decisions but the the one um

31:31 ↗ getting the I think it was House Bill

31:33 ↗ 1181

31:36 ↗ and that was related to like um I think

31:38 ↗ they called that like the to the transit

31:40 ↗ oriented development bill. Um, and it

31:42 ↗ was just it was addressing lots of um

31:47 ↗ lots of like little issues that prevent

31:50 ↗ housing from being built. So like the

31:53 ↗ example was like parking is a big

31:55 ↗ hurdle. It represents like 15 to 20% of

31:57 ↗ like the cost of building a house. So

32:00 ↗ they're trying to like have that not as

32:02 ↗ a automatic requirement. It's not to say

32:05 ↗ that you can't have it, but like we're

32:07 ↗ saying that you don't need it um if it's

32:09 ↗ near like you know like the transit

32:12 ↗ center for example. Um

32:15 ↗ some of the other stuff was like you can

32:17 ↗ allow gravel

32:20 ↗ um like a gravel lot can also serve as

32:23 ↗ your required parking

32:26 ↗ um up to like some amount. Um, so it's

32:29 ↗ it's basically saying like if you

32:31 ↗ already have like a place where somebody

32:33 ↗ could park, like just like let that be

32:34 ↗ it. Like you don't need to like uh pave

32:38 ↗ it and like stencil it out if it's an

32:41 ↗ apartment building or whatever. Like um

32:43 ↗ that could that could just add cost that

32:47 ↗ maybe you could just like not do that

32:49 ↗ and then that cost wouldn't be passed on

32:51 ↗ to like the purchaser. Okay.

32:54 ↗ >> So just like all these little things.

32:55 ↗ There's like seven or eight different uh

32:58 ↗ things that kind of add add cost to

33:01 ↗ building housing. So, they're kind of

33:03 ↗ addressing all those at once.

33:04 ↗ >> Yeah. To follow up to that, is is is

33:07 ↗ only doing what is required by that bill

33:09 ↗ or are we trying to do things on top of

33:11 ↗ that to enable further development?

33:14 ↗ >> We have other stuff, but um this this

33:16 ↗ last round was just sort of responding

33:18 ↗ directly to state requirements.

33:20 ↗ >> Okay. Yeah.

33:22 ↗ Just a quick aside while we're on the

33:24 ↗ topic here, I probably talk about this

33:26 ↗ later, but there are some things that

33:29 ↗ municipalities, local uh governments do

33:31 ↗ that also make housing slower to

33:34 ↗ develop. And that includes uh deviating

33:38 ↗ from state requirements. And so this is

33:40 ↗ something where if we want to do more

33:42 ↗ than what the state does, we could

33:44 ↗ actually have an unintended side effect

33:47 ↗ housing developed, which could increase

33:50 ↗ vehicle miles traveled, for example. Uh

33:52 ↗ so [clears throat] hopefully we'll talk

33:53 ↗ about that a little bit later when we

33:54 ↗ talk about you know going past going

33:57 ↗ beyond the state requirements for EV

33:59 ↗ compatible.

34:03 ↗ >> Great. Um okay. Well, what we wanted to

34:07 ↗ jump into next was um first topic was

34:11 ↗ just to get some general feedback on um

34:15 ↗ some of the priorities identified by the

34:17 ↗ committee um general input reactions

34:20 ↗ based on review of the draft actions.

34:24 ↗ Then we wanted to dive a little bit

34:26 ↗ deeper into the proposed new actions. I

34:29 ↗ believe there's four of them. Um and

34:32 ↗ then the third topic for tonight was

34:34 ↗ just to talk a little bit about the

34:35 ↗ redundancy issue and I'll provide a

34:38 ↗ little bit um more about that but kind

34:40 ↗ of how do we address actions that exist

34:42 ↗ in the climate plan as well as the

34:45 ↗ mobility action plan or other

34:48 ↗ um so we were just talking about the

34:51 ↗ meeting about potentially breaking into

34:53 ↗ two groups. Um, I'm wondering with

34:55 ↗ Andrea and Brent if that might just be

34:58 ↗ hard to do and if we should just stay as

35:02 ↗ one group.

35:06 ↗ Um,

35:08 ↗ I mean those folks aren't members of the

35:10 ↗ tab so it's Yeah, that's

35:13 ↗ >> no problem for me.

35:14 ↗ >> No problem.

35:14 ↗ >> Okay. And Bren, you haven't heard from

35:17 ↗ >> Okay. Well, let's test this out. I was

35:21 ↗ just telling Erica um last week we tried

35:23 ↗ out breakout groups with the

35:24 ↗ environmental board just to give folks a

35:26 ↗ little bit [clears throat] more space to

35:29 ↗ think through um and have a smaller

35:32 ↗ discussion before we come back as a

35:33 ↗ group. Um so what I'll do is kind of

35:36 ↗ introduce

35:37 ↗ um we'll break out into groups. I can

35:40 ↗ introduce the topics, the three topics

35:42 ↗ maybe while we're recording and then

35:44 ↗ what we did last week was we paused the

35:46 ↗ recording while they were discussing and

35:49 ↗ then we'll come back and report out from

35:51 ↗ the groups and then move into a little

35:53 ↗ bit of a discussion. Yes, we will do

35:56 ↗ that um and make sure that that's caught

35:58 ↗ on the recording. Um so why don't I go

36:02 ↗ through real quick just to make sure it

36:03 ↗ is captured what we'll talk about. We'll

36:05 ↗ break into the groups. I can bring back

36:08 ↗ up the slides as a reminder and then

36:10 ↗ we'll come back up. All right. Um so the

36:13 ↗ first one is just hearing um kind of any

36:16 ↗ initial reactions kind of more of a

36:18 ↗ general feedback reactions to the

36:20 ↗ committee um priorities reactions to

36:23 ↗ what you're seeing in the document as

36:25 ↗ well as any priorities that you have or

36:26 ↗ areas you want to make sure you deep

36:28 ↗ that we deep dive into at some point in

36:30 ↗ the plan whether that's parking or um

36:33 ↗ electric bike charging. Um so uh not

36:38 ↗ getting too deep into actions but kind

36:39 ↗ of more general um reaction and

36:42 ↗ feedback. Um and then the next topic

36:46 ↗ will be um digging into the new actions

36:49 ↗ that came out of the committee

36:50 ↗ discussion. There are four four of them.

36:53 ↗ Um increase use of and access to bikes.

36:58 ↗ Um oh and we did have charging there. So

37:00 ↗ um that topic um prioritizing incentives

37:03 ↗ to encourage adoption of ebikes,

37:06 ↗ incentives and technical assistance for

37:08 ↗ EV charging um specifically in

37:10 ↗ multifamily and building out that action

37:13 ↗ and then considering um exceeding uh

37:17 ↗ state requirements for EV charging

37:21 ↗ um particularly around kind of the

37:22 ↗ readiness what what Thomas was

37:24 ↗ describing.

37:27 ↗ Um and then that third topic was around

37:29 ↗ redundancy. So we have actions that live

37:32 ↗ in the climate plan. Um very similar

37:35 ↗ version also lives in the mobility

37:37 ↗ action plan that can be challenging

37:40 ↗ especially if the language is slightly

37:42 ↗ different or they're on different um

37:44 ↗ update schedules. And so wanted some

37:47 ↗ input. Is that okay? Do we need to make

37:49 ↗ sure the language is the same? Should we

37:52 ↗ uh identify one plan as kind of being

37:54 ↗ the um uh the one we'd look to on that

37:58 ↗ action even if the language changes in

38:00 ↗ the others? But just kind of want that

38:03 ↗ um feedback especially because of the

38:04 ↗ close overlap with a lot of the actions

38:06 ↗ in the the mobility action plan.

38:10 ↗ With that we can maybe pause and just

38:14 ↗ maybe just split. Yeah. folks don't mind

38:16 ↗ dragging and we'll spend five or 10

38:19 ↗ minutes on each topic and then y'all can

38:22 ↗ identify someone to come back and

38:24 ↗ summarize that would be great. Thank you

38:26 ↗ all.

1:06:16 ↗ All right. Well, thank you for trying

1:06:18 ↗ the breakout groups. Hopefully that kind

1:06:21 ↗ of helps just being in a smaller group

1:06:22 ↗ for the conversation. Um, so we'll just

1:06:26 ↗ go kind of group by group. Maybe share

1:06:28 ↗ out actually why don't we go topic by

1:06:31 ↗ topic. So maybe we'll start with the

1:06:32 ↗ general feedback and hear from each

1:06:34 ↗ group. So then that way we can go into a

1:06:36 ↗ little bit more discussion um on each of

1:06:39 ↗ the topics. So um about 20 minutes. So

1:06:44 ↗ why don't we start with general feedback

1:06:47 ↗ um you want to start and then Adam were

1:06:51 ↗ you taking notes for the other Okay. So

1:06:53 ↗ why don't we start on general feedback

1:06:56 ↗ priorities or sorry Erica was

1:06:59 ↗ >> I was taking notes but we we didn't

1:07:01 ↗ really get into the general feedback. We

1:07:03 ↗ we pretty much dove directly right into

1:07:05 ↗ them.

1:07:05 ↗ >> That's true.

1:07:06 ↗ >> That's true. Specifics. Okay, that

1:07:09 ↗ sounds great. Any reflections on the

1:07:11 ↗ general feedback from the group and then

1:07:13 ↗ we can talk about it. I say one thing

1:07:15 ↗ that did come up with ours that didn't

1:07:17 ↗ necessarily go into the other sections

1:07:19 ↗ was like just addressing the safety

1:07:21 ↗ aspect bikes or safety concerns. All

1:07:24 ↗ right. That's something that I think

1:07:26 ↗ we've all noticed in the community.

1:07:29 ↗ >> Great.

1:07:30 ↗ >> Yes. I had a couple of things that we

1:07:32 ↗ talked about uh in the general feedback

1:07:34 ↗ section which may or may not be general

1:07:35 ↗ feedback but that's okay we're going to

1:07:37 ↗ talk about it anyway. [laughter]

1:07:39 ↗ One was uh expressing interest in

1:07:42 ↗ understanding the requirement between

1:07:44 ↗ parking changes uh and the metrics that

1:07:48 ↗ we track.

1:07:49 ↗ So

1:07:51 ↗ one of the metrics that I don't know if

1:07:53 ↗ it's in the IAP as much but uh might be

1:07:56 ↗ of interest would be like number of cars

1:07:58 ↗ per household. So we talked a little bit

1:08:00 ↗ about that and then of course VMT is all

1:08:02 ↗ over the place in the map and the

1:08:07 ↗ at least it used to be in the IAP we

1:08:09 ↗ remove that for redundancy. Uh but uh

1:08:12 ↗ looking at those metrics and the the act

1:08:14 ↗ the the actual impact of changes to

1:08:17 ↗ parking um how do we track those over

1:08:20 ↗ time should that be something that's

1:08:21 ↗ more in the IAF plans for tracking it

1:08:24 ↗ for example. Um and then the other

1:08:27 ↗ discussion we had was on um for new

1:08:29 ↗ developments.

1:08:32 ↗ Will you be talking about bike networks

1:08:34 ↗ and other multimodal?

1:08:36 ↗ Is there enough

1:08:38 ↗ support for shared paths or dedicated

1:08:42 ↗ bike lanes? And should that I suppose

1:08:46 ↗ should that show up in the climate plan

1:08:48 ↗ just to make sure that

1:08:50 ↗ I guess we're being effective in

1:08:53 ↗ >> in listing the priorities so that you

1:08:56 ↗ know we complete the story there.

1:09:01 ↗ Great. Why don't we then dig into

1:09:04 ↗ anything else? Sorry. From that group

1:09:05 ↗ that you wanted the safety

1:09:07 ↗ >> safety

1:09:08 ↗ >> was that in this section or a different

1:09:09 ↗ section?

1:09:10 ↗ >> Uh safety of ebikes or safety of shared

1:09:13 ↗ paths of

1:09:13 ↗ >> Derk's friends.

1:09:17 ↗ >> That was specific.

1:09:19 ↗ >> Okay. Sorry. Great. I'm lost track.

1:09:22 ↗ >> All right. Why don't we then dig into

1:09:24 ↗ feedback on the proposed new actions? Do

1:09:28 ↗ you all want to start?

1:09:31 ↗ >> Um so my notes for from our discussion

1:09:33 ↗ was we appreciate the first point on the

1:09:36 ↗ bikes um the you know encouraging use

1:09:40 ↗ access to them and improving bike

1:09:42 ↗ parking and charging but we particularly

1:09:45 ↗ were talking we were looking at the

1:09:47 ↗ language and we didn't particularly find

1:09:49 ↗ residential ebike chargers or

1:09:53 ↗ residential ebike chargers. So, if

1:09:54 ↗ there's a secure room for ebikes or like

1:09:58 ↗ bikes, um there should be a place where

1:10:02 ↗ people can plug in their their uh their

1:10:05 ↗ battery or plug in their bike uh that

1:10:09 ↗ >> multif family in partic

1:10:10 ↗ >> for multif family. Yeah. Yeah. Because

1:10:13 ↗ some some bikes will be able to take off

1:10:16 ↗ the remove the battery, some bikes you

1:10:19 ↗ won't be able to and so they will have

1:10:20 ↗ to stay in the secure room. Um

1:10:24 ↗ so that was the main thing that we were

1:10:26 ↗ talking about when it came to bike

1:10:27 ↗ charging on that first goal. Um

1:10:30 ↗ in terms of the other ones and that kind

1:10:32 ↗ of fits as the second one as well in

1:10:34 ↗ terms of incentives. Um and then for the

1:10:39 ↗ EV charging uh just as a general comment

1:10:41 ↗ over these new goals was like it'd be

1:10:43 ↗ nice to have fewer parking requirements

1:10:45 ↗ in general. Um,

1:10:47 ↗ and you know, leaning into the parking

1:10:49 ↗ maxims in particular, but getting rid of

1:10:53 ↗ the parking and making it uh more market

1:10:57 ↗ based like when it comes to parking

1:10:59 ↗ provision. Um,

1:11:01 ↗ we were really emphasizing uh ensuring

1:11:04 ↗ secure parking stations for bikes. Um,

1:11:07 ↗ and then how much we were talking about

1:11:09 ↗ how much it costs to put in the EV

1:11:11 ↗ chargers when it's ready made. Um just

1:11:14 ↗ in terms of like thinking about do we

1:11:16 ↗ want to actually turn the you know EV

1:11:20 ↗ charging as a mandate rather than

1:11:23 ↗ incentives. Um we're talking about in

1:11:26 ↗ kind of the sense of um you know

1:11:29 ↗ whatever is disincentivizing or whatever

1:11:32 ↗ is incentivizing people to move away

1:11:34 ↗ from gas cars is ideal. Um and then

1:11:38 ↗ public, we were talking about how public

1:11:40 ↗ spaces, EV chargers are um very well

1:11:43 ↗ utilized like the community center and

1:11:45 ↗ so leaning to that as well some more. Um

1:11:50 ↗ and yeah, I mean we were kind of leaning

1:11:53 ↗ more towards the mandate for EV chargers

1:11:56 ↗ um within residential buildings um for

1:12:01 ↗ like economies of scale and other

1:12:03 ↗ reasons as well.

1:12:05 ↗ Um,

1:12:07 ↗ so those were the main things that we

1:12:09 ↗ covered for the new new actions. But if

1:12:13 ↗ you guys want to add anything else, I

1:12:15 ↗ hope I captured our discussion.

1:12:17 ↗ >> Sounds good. No.

1:12:20 ↗ >> Uh, we had two primary topics that we

1:12:22 ↗ covered in the new actions. One was

1:12:24 ↗ ebikes. Uh and specifically

1:12:28 ↗ the potential conflict between

1:12:32 ↗ uh what we all have anecdotes of people

1:12:35 ↗ basically abusing

1:12:38 ↗ electric dirt or bikes and kind of

1:12:41 ↗ things that maybe you don't want to be

1:12:43 ↗ classified as ebikes and then

1:12:45 ↗ incentivizing ebikes.

1:12:47 ↗ Uh so in particular the um there is an

1:12:52 ↗ enforcement problem. We've probably all

1:12:54 ↗ seen it. There are

1:12:58 ↗ lots of problems that could lead to the

1:13:01 ↗ public saying, "Hey, we don't want

1:13:02 ↗ ebikes here." Madina, I think recently

1:13:05 ↗ banned ebikes. Did I get that right?

1:13:07 ↗ >> Sounds like them.

1:13:09 ↗ >> I think [clears throat] so. [laughter]

1:13:13 ↗ We wanted to have ebikes for climate

1:13:16 ↗ reasons, which is great. uh if the

1:13:18 ↗ public doesn't see that there's a good

1:13:20 ↗ separation and a a good culture around

1:13:23 ↗ ebikes, we potentially have a problem

1:13:25 ↗ that's going to prevent us being

1:13:27 ↗ successful there. Uh so question of like

1:13:31 ↗ how do we build the right culture around

1:13:33 ↗ ebikes uh so that people use them safely

1:13:37 ↗ that lead to the the outcomes that we

1:13:41 ↗ want?

1:13:42 ↗ Um, you can ask Derek about his uh

1:13:45 ↗ acquaintances that have some interesting

1:13:47 ↗ habits.

1:13:48 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:13:49 ↗ >> Around

1:13:49 ↗ >> tying it to like enforcement of like the

1:13:52 ↗ laws makes more sense.

1:13:54 ↗ >> It's Yeah, maybe it's enforcement that

1:13:56 ↗ needs to do that if that's going to be

1:13:57 ↗ effective. Maybe it's kind of build a

1:14:00 ↗ bike ebike culture.

1:14:02 ↗ >> But anything that we incentivize our on

1:14:04 ↗ ebikes, we probably need to think about

1:14:07 ↗ how the public sees that from the

1:14:08 ↗ perspective of people that are abusing.

1:14:10 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:14:12 ↗ public spaces.

1:14:15 ↗ Uh the other thing we talked about was

1:14:18 ↗ uh exceeding state building code

1:14:19 ↗ requirements. Um,

1:14:22 ↗ not that this is necessarily a bad

1:14:24 ↗ thing, but there is a potential

1:14:25 ↗ unintended consequence of not getting

1:14:29 ↗ starter home development because of

1:14:32 ↗ complexity in in building codes in

1:14:33 ↗ Israel.

1:14:36 ↗ The there's a

1:14:38 ↗ the state commissioned a report on

1:14:40 ↗ building out a plan to develop scalable

1:14:43 ↗ starter homes. Uh and one of the

1:14:45 ↗ findings of that was that uh developers

1:14:49 ↗ are choosing not to build starter homes

1:14:51 ↗ because of the complexities around sight

1:14:53 ↗ specific requirements

1:14:56 ↗ which often we

1:14:58 ↗ described after spending tens of

1:15:00 ↗ thousands of dollars on evaluating

1:15:02 ↗ whether it's possible. Uh so given that

1:15:06 ↗ I think we're basing this on what

1:15:07 ↗ Redmond has done. I mean there's a

1:15:10 ↗ potential that we can measure what

1:15:12 ↗ they've done whether that's

1:15:13 ↗ disincentivized any development uh and

1:15:15 ↗ also piggyback on it to either

1:15:18 ↗ you know not be unique in the way that

1:15:21 ↗ we do our building codes or work with

1:15:25 ↗ Redmond to get that as a state

1:15:26 ↗ requirement in order to

1:15:29 ↗ simplify building codes across the

1:15:30 ↗ state. [clears throat]

1:15:34 ↗ Did I miss anything?

1:15:39 ↗ I mean I think just well actually we'll

1:15:43 ↗ go to the next one then we'll talk about

1:15:44 ↗ Yeah.

1:15:47 ↗ >> All right. Redundancy.

1:15:50 ↗ Uh, so with redundancy, we were um

1:15:54 ↗ saying that, you know, while we can

1:15:57 ↗ streamline things, it feels kind of

1:15:59 ↗ wrong to remove references to the map um

1:16:03 ↗ mobility action plan and because TAB has

1:16:06 ↗ had so many touches on the action plan.

1:16:09 ↗ Um it's just not ideal to kind of remove

1:16:14 ↗ transportation related topics from the

1:16:17 ↗ climate action plan just because um

1:16:20 ↗ transportation is a huge part of the

1:16:23 ↗ emissions portfolio here um and

1:16:26 ↗ greenhouse gases emissions uh portfolio

1:16:28 ↗ here in in the city and um looking at

1:16:32 ↗ the some of the climate progress um you

1:16:34 ↗ know metrics progress um it's least met

1:16:39 ↗ in transportation and so we think it's

1:16:40 ↗ important to preserve as many references

1:16:43 ↗ um as possible uh within the climate

1:16:46 ↗ action plan. Um but there is some new

1:16:48 ↗ ones they were talking about the brig

1:16:50 ↗ the big umbrella actions should

1:16:52 ↗ definitely stay in. So that would be

1:16:54 ↗ like 1.1 1 uh 2.1 and 2.3 those are

1:16:58 ↗ things like incentivized dense mixed use

1:17:00 ↗ and transit oriented development. Um 2.1

1:17:05 ↗ has to do with um implementing mobility

1:17:10 ↗ action plan and then 2.3 is advocate and

1:17:12 ↗ partner regionally to improve transit

1:17:14 ↗ network. We think these are pretty broad

1:17:17 ↗ items to think about that should

1:17:20 ↗ definitely stay in and they're not so

1:17:22 ↗ granular.

1:17:24 ↗ We will say that uh doing more granular

1:17:27 ↗ granular

1:17:29 ↗ the more granular items so 2.2 and 2.4

1:17:32 ↗ four, those are much more specific and

1:17:36 ↗ we believe that those can be just

1:17:38 ↗ referenced by you know crosswalk or

1:17:42 ↗ whatever um tool [clears throat] there

1:17:44 ↗ is. So just referencing it uh within the

1:17:46 ↗ mobility action plan but yeah 1.1

1:17:50 ↗ 2.1 2.3 should definitely stay in um as

1:17:54 ↗ much as we can. Um, and the

1:17:58 ↗ justification for this is basically

1:17:59 ↗ saying

1:18:01 ↗ there's always some level of redundancy

1:18:03 ↗ in government and within transportation.

1:18:05 ↗ I think that's the working life. Like

1:18:07 ↗ you need to have redundancy in

1:18:09 ↗ transportation. That's how we how

1:18:11 ↗ transportation planners think. Um,

1:18:13 ↗ especially when it came comes to

1:18:14 ↗ transits. You always want to have two

1:18:17 ↗ ways to get somewhere. um as as long as

1:18:21 ↗ they're not in opposition with each

1:18:22 ↗ other, it's not it's okay um to have

1:18:25 ↗ that redundancy. And then having the

1:18:27 ↗ same goals across departments is a good

1:18:29 ↗ thing um

1:18:32 ↗ if [snorts] we're prioritizing that

1:18:34 ↗ goal. And then of course there's the

1:18:36 ↗ issue of policy

1:18:38 ↗ um visibility and if we're making

1:18:40 ↗ something less visible that means we're

1:18:42 ↗ dep prioritizing it um just in the

1:18:46 ↗ public space. Um, and then we were

1:18:50 ↗ really curious that and interested in

1:18:52 ↗ learning more about what Stocomi tribe

1:18:54 ↗ had to say about this as well. Um, so

1:18:57 ↗ I'd appreciate hearing more about that.

1:18:58 ↗ Um, and then of course more opinions

1:19:00 ↗ from staff about this whole thing as

1:19:03 ↗ well. So yeah,

1:19:05 ↗ >> I can just speak to the trib's comments

1:19:07 ↗ real quick. Um, Erica had a similar

1:19:09 ↗ question. I think it was mostly around

1:19:13 ↗ if um an action previously existed in

1:19:16 ↗ two plans, it's removed from the climate

1:19:19 ↗ plan, but it has an important climate

1:19:21 ↗ element and then we kind of lose control

1:19:24 ↗ of that action and its relationship to

1:19:27 ↗ climate mitigation or resilience and the

1:19:29 ↗ intent of it may change in that other

1:19:31 ↗ plan in the future. And so then it's

1:19:34 ↗ that loss connection. So a [snorts] lot

1:19:37 ↗ of the teams [clears throat] they've

1:19:38 ↗ been working with, they've been

1:19:39 ↗ encouraging that redundancy.

1:19:41 ↗ >> Yeah. And and what Erica was saying was

1:19:44 ↗ basically, you know, if we're serious

1:19:47 ↗ about equity, then we need to have

1:19:49 ↗ tribal consultation as a central piece

1:19:51 ↗ of everything to this. They were the

1:19:53 ↗ original stewards of the land and we

1:19:56 ↗ need to really take their their views

1:19:58 ↗ into account

1:20:01 ↗ central like central account. [snorts]

1:20:05 ↗ >> Yeah. So on our side we got a lot of

1:20:07 ↗ similar uh similar ideas. Um in general

1:20:12 ↗ we thought it was okay to have some

1:20:14 ↗ redundancy in there because of the

1:20:17 ↗ priorities of the different plans being

1:20:19 ↗ a little bit different. The core goals

1:20:22 ↗ are different and so uh making sure that

1:20:25 ↗ those are covered certainly reasonable.

1:20:28 ↗ Uh that said, it's also uh easier to

1:20:31 ↗ update these and keep the documents

1:20:33 ↗ relevant when they are normalized.

1:20:35 ↗ Normalization being kind of the opposite

1:20:37 ↗ of redundancy in this case. Uh so

1:20:42 ↗ we thought that you know action by

1:20:43 ↗ action uh the decision might vary as to

1:20:47 ↗ whether we redundancy or not. So I

1:20:49 ↗ appreciate Julian going into more

1:20:50 ↗ specifics on uh you know what might be

1:20:53 ↗ covered. uh we didn't get to the to the

1:20:56 ↗ point of you know being able to provide

1:20:57 ↗ specific feedback on each action and how

1:20:59 ↗ that should be normalized. Um I also

1:21:02 ↗ think that uh there's a bit of a middle

1:21:04 ↗ ground here. So it's not just do you

1:21:06 ↗ eliminate or do you include it

1:21:09 ↗ option might be for example in in the

1:21:12 ↗ climate plan for something that is

1:21:14 ↗ really

1:21:15 ↗ uh the actions taken are in the

1:21:18 ↗ transportation space but there's still

1:21:20 ↗ an incentive to do them from climate

1:21:22 ↗ action plan. You might for example say

1:21:26 ↗ that the climate action plan

1:21:30 ↗ includes

1:21:32 ↗ what did I say here? Advocate for ITAP

1:21:34 ↗ priorities and map updates or map

1:21:38 ↗ updates, excuse me, Thomas. Uh so so

1:21:43 ↗ those sorts of advoc advocacy things or

1:21:45 ↗ you know really tying the action to

1:21:47 ↗ things that people working in climate

1:21:50 ↗ space would actually be doing rather

1:21:53 ↗ than building roads or whatever. Uh yeah

1:21:57 ↗ that's try to represent it that way

1:21:59 ↗ instead.

1:22:04 ↗ >> Okay that was fantastic feedback. Um I'm

1:22:07 ↗ trying to remember what I had my next

1:22:09 ↗ slides. Um so just as a quick summary um

1:22:15 ↗ heard definitely some a few questions

1:22:17 ↗ around going to understand parking

1:22:20 ↗ requirements impacts on metrics

1:22:24 ↗ um interest in looking at bike bike

1:22:27 ↗ networks and multimodal um requirements

1:22:30 ↗ with new [clears throat] developments

1:22:31 ↗ questions around safety maybe education

1:22:35 ↗ um uh ensuring that there's There's um

1:22:40 ↗ compliance with state and city laws

1:22:42 ↗ around ebikes. A lot of interest on

1:22:45 ↗ increasing requirements for multifamily

1:22:48 ↗ ebike charging and secure spaces. Um

1:22:51 ↗ again kind of that reduced parking

1:22:53 ↗ requirements. Maybe looking at removing

1:22:55 ↗ minimums or having more market based

1:22:59 ↗ um considerations for EV charging

1:23:01 ↗ requirements. See what happens with

1:23:03 ↗ Redmond and any impact that they're

1:23:06 ↗ seeing with development. But there could

1:23:08 ↗ also be this approach where maybe we're

1:23:10 ↗ doing more advocacy at the state level

1:23:12 ↗ to put those requirements in statewide

1:23:14 ↗ so we're not being negatively impacted

1:23:16 ↗ um from development by having stricter

1:23:19 ↗ requirements.

1:23:21 ↗ Um,

1:23:23 ↗ and then in terms of redundancy,

1:23:25 ↗ um, definitely am hearing keeping some

1:23:28 ↗ of those bigger overarching actions, um,

1:23:32 ↗ but possibly going one by one and maybe

1:23:36 ↗ reviewing whether or not we could remove

1:23:37 ↗ them from the IAP or at least take more

1:23:39 ↗ of kind of the climate lens. I really

1:23:41 ↗ like that suggestion where maybe it's

1:23:42 ↗ that climate advocacy [snorts] aspect of

1:23:45 ↗ the action but then it the um

1:23:48 ↗ implementation lives in the map. So,

1:23:55 ↗ um, so what we will do next is take all

1:24:00 ↗ the amazing feedback from tonight. Um,

1:24:03 ↗ we're going to compile that into kind of

1:24:06 ↗ another version of this and talk with

1:24:09 ↗ the environmental board in November.

1:24:12 ↗ Um, and then I'm thinking we're going to

1:24:14 ↗ want another touch point at some point.

1:24:17 ↗ We can talk with the chair and vice

1:24:18 ↗ chair about that, but possibly

1:24:21 ↗ um meeting with you all again early in

1:24:24 ↗ 26 after we've worked through some of

1:24:26 ↗ these actions a little bit more and

1:24:28 ↗ particularly if there's any policies

1:24:30 ↗ that are kind of rising to the top that

1:24:32 ↗ we think we want to move forward in the

1:24:34 ↗ plan. Maybe we'll lean in on discussion

1:24:37 ↗ on those

1:24:39 ↗ good but I'll um confer with Andrea and

1:24:42 ↗ Thomas and the chair and vice chair and

1:24:45 ↗ look at that next touch point. But I

1:24:47 ↗ think it'd be great to um talk with you

1:24:49 ↗ all again and get some

1:24:52 ↗ question.

1:24:54 ↗ >> Well, I just had a comment about um what

1:24:58 ↗ was being brought up about um going like

1:25:01 ↗ the state requirements and going beyond

1:25:02 ↗ the state requirements. I think they're

1:25:04 ↗ from my view it's

1:25:08 ↗ it's good to be uh ahead of the game in

1:25:12 ↗ some senses and kind of be the

1:25:13 ↗ regulatory leader in certain aspects

1:25:16 ↗ especially when it comes to

1:25:17 ↗ sustainability um and sustainable

1:25:20 ↗ practices and I think there is a benefit

1:25:21 ↗ to actually being ahead of the game um

1:25:26 ↗ you know in the region and in the state

1:25:28 ↗ and we can adapt certain practices and

1:25:30 ↗ then other cities other counties, other

1:25:34 ↗ the whole state will follow. Um, and I

1:25:37 ↗ think there is an advantage to

1:25:40 ↗ doing it like that. Um,

1:25:43 ↗ so just my opinion, but yeah.

1:25:46 ↗ >> Yeah, I think and a lot of we may be

1:25:49 ↗ proposing a lot of new policies in the

1:25:51 ↗ IAP and some of the language we're

1:25:54 ↗ looking at using Belleview is also using

1:25:56 ↗ is kind of assess the feasibility and

1:25:58 ↗ implementation pathway. So we have an

1:26:00 ↗ out if we decide that that policy you

1:26:03 ↗ know isn't working in Redmond for

1:26:05 ↗ example

1:26:07 ↗ department or for some other reason. So

1:26:09 ↗ I think if there's a um eagerness to

1:26:13 ↗ kind of or interest in getting ahead

1:26:15 ↗ being a leader in this space and we want

1:26:17 ↗ to advance policies but we're also not

1:26:19 ↗ there may be some unintended

1:26:21 ↗ consequences or we really need to

1:26:22 ↗ evaluate the impact still there's some

1:26:25 ↗ language we can include in the climate

1:26:27 ↗ plan to remind ourselves

1:26:29 ↗ >> and this is the like the structure of of

1:26:32 ↗ the country of like decentralized but

1:26:35 ↗ decentralized and

1:26:37 ↗ >> you

1:26:37 ↗ little towns of, you know, little spots

1:26:41 ↗ of democracy.

1:26:45 ↗ >> Great.

1:26:46 ↗ >> Um well, one other um follow-up item is

1:26:49 ↗ I will send you the um report Thomas to

1:26:53 ↗ share from this summer and then we'll

1:26:54 ↗ have a updated more community facing

1:26:58 ↗ version of kind of our progress report

1:27:00 ↗ in December. Um, and then I will also

1:27:03 ↗ let you know how the conversation on

1:27:05 ↗ this topic goes with the Vermont board

1:27:07 ↗ and see you all early in the new year

1:27:10 ↗ for another.

1:27:12 ↗ >> Thanks for letting me take up a lot of

1:27:14 ↗ your meeting today. You guys have one

1:27:16 ↗ other topic just

1:27:20 ↗ >> um Okay, Stacy, did you I guess both of

1:27:22 ↗ you you got what you needed.

1:27:25 ↗ >> Absolutely. Yes, that was fantastic. And

1:27:27 ↗ I'd also um always welcome additional

1:27:30 ↗ feedback. If you all go away and are

1:27:32 ↗ looking at the document, have other

1:27:33 ↗ thoughts um reflections, feel free to

1:27:36 ↗ pass those on if you want. I'm good.

1:27:46 ↗ [snorts]

1:27:49 ↗ Um okay, our next agenda item.

1:27:56 ↗ Um, my personal next agenda item is for

1:27:59 ↗ you guys to pass around the muffins. Um,

1:28:01 ↗ [clears throat]

1:28:03 ↗ okay. Uh, chair power. Um, all right.

1:28:06 ↗ So, we are moving on to our chair and

1:28:08 ↗ vice chair elections.

1:28:10 ↗ Um,

1:28:12 ↗ I'm just going to keep running through

1:28:14 ↗ the script, Thomas, unless you uh the

1:28:16 ↗ following process will be used by the

1:28:18 ↗ chair and vice chair. Um, I will call

1:28:21 ↗ for nominations.

1:28:23 ↗ When all nominations have been made, I

1:28:25 ↗ will close the nominations.

1:28:27 ↗ Um, if only one nomination is made, the

1:28:29 ↗ member is considered elected by

1:28:31 ↗ unanimous consent. If multiple

1:28:33 ↗ nominations are made, then uh board

1:28:36 ↗ members will have the opportunity to

1:28:37 ↗ discuss nominees. We will then ask board

1:28:40 ↗ members to cast votes in the order they

1:28:42 ↗ were nominated by a roll call vote. Uh,

1:28:44 ↗ you can only vote for one nominee for

1:28:46 ↗ office. You can vote for yourself. Uh

1:28:48 ↗ the first board member receiving a

1:28:50 ↗ majority vote is elected to the position

1:28:52 ↗ and then we'll repeat that process for

1:28:54 ↗ the vice chair.

1:28:56 ↗ Any questions on that? Done this before.

1:28:59 ↗ Um chair election. Let's get started.

1:29:02 ↗ Are there any nominations for the

1:29:06 ↗ tab? Chair

1:29:08 ↗ Julian.

1:29:09 ↗ >> I'll nominate Erica.

1:29:12 ↗ Are there any other nominations?

1:29:18 ↗ Hearing none, I do think before I close

1:29:20 ↗ this, and I maybe should have shared

1:29:22 ↗ this before, um, but some of you know

1:29:24 ↗ this and not everyone does, but um, I so

1:29:27 ↗ my day job is, um, I work for the state

1:29:30 ↗ legislature and during session, I do

1:29:33 ↗ physically work from Olympia during the

1:29:34 ↗ week, which means that I can't make it

1:29:36 ↗ back here in time for TOB meetings. So I

1:29:39 ↗ join via teams but due to our bylaws

1:29:43 ↗ that we recently just reviewed um that

1:29:47 ↗ means that functionally uh whoever the

1:29:49 ↗ vice chair is will be the chair since I

1:29:53 ↗ can't chair from teams. So I want you to

1:29:56 ↗ make sure you're having like a fully

1:29:57 ↗ informed vote uh or

1:30:03 ↗ >> vote by

1:30:05 ↗ acclamation. Um, but yeah, so I guess

1:30:07 ↗ >> that the current vice chair is aware of

1:30:09 ↗ the situation. [laughter]

1:30:13 ↗ >> Adam, uh, I'm going to nominate Adam for

1:30:16 ↗ chair. [clears throat]

1:30:19 ↗ >> Um,

1:30:20 ↗ >> thank you. I think we're getting there.

1:30:23 ↗ We have to Are we Are we done with

1:30:25 ↗ >> chair?

1:30:27 ↗ Excuse me.

1:30:28 ↗ >> Did you accept the nomination? Does he

1:30:30 ↗ have to accept it? Um so I thank you for

1:30:34 ↗ your nominations as we received more

1:30:35 ↗ than one. We'll now discuss the nominees

1:30:40 ↗ discussion

1:30:44 ↗ have to accept it nominee.

1:30:48 ↗ >> Well, if you don't want to be chair's

1:30:51 ↗ been doing a great job

1:30:53 ↗ >> from my perspective, I'm

1:30:56 ↗ continue to be chair for the next

1:30:59 ↗ >> I guess I can also discuss. So we when

1:31:02 ↗ we were talking about the potentials of

1:31:05 ↗ this I more than willing if I we talked

1:31:08 ↗ about this that if you all felt that

1:31:10 ↗ that was better I have I won't take that

1:31:14 ↗ it doesn't matter but I wouldn't take

1:31:15 ↗ that personally if it was decided to

1:31:19 ↗ you know the vice chair would be the

1:31:21 ↗ functional chair for January and

1:31:24 ↗ February I will be back in March um so

1:31:26 ↗ two months and then this chair term is

1:31:29 ↗ Thomas I might get this wrong through

1:31:30 ↗ September.

1:31:31 ↗ >> through September.

1:31:32 ↗ >> Yes. So that would mean that um so to

1:31:36 ↗ keep that again the term in mind as

1:31:38 ↗ well. So but this is a democratic

1:31:41 ↗ process.

1:31:42 ↗ >> I just wanted to open that that up for

1:31:43 ↗ discussion as a potential in case people

1:31:45 ↗ thought it'd be better to have

1:31:48 ↗ the chair be available at all meetings.

1:31:51 ↗ I don't really

1:31:51 ↗ >> This is this for the first three

1:31:54 ↗ meetings or two meetings?

1:31:54 ↗ >> Two meetings.

1:31:55 ↗ >> Yeah. I mean, I feel like I I feel like

1:31:58 ↗ it's okay for like a surprise. It's okay

1:32:04 ↗ to be absent at a couple of meetings.

1:32:06 ↗ >> I think that's fine.

1:32:08 ↗ [laughter]

1:32:09 ↗ >> Okay.

1:32:10 ↗ >> Yeah. Like we've

1:32:11 ↗ >> Yeah, I've shared before as a vice chair

1:32:14 ↗ and

1:32:15 ↗ >> if you do,

1:32:15 ↗ >> we are generally good about

1:32:17 ↗ communicating ahead of time about who's

1:32:19 ↗ doing what.

1:32:19 ↗ >> I think you two been doing a good job.

1:32:21 ↗ And if you do prefer the chair vice

1:32:23 ↗ chair arrangement, I don't have any

1:32:26 ↗ problem [snorts] with that. I I prefer

1:32:28 ↗ the

1:32:30 ↗ >> Okay. [laughter]

1:32:32 ↗ >> Okay. So, technically I think there are

1:32:35 ↗ two nominations. Do you do you withdraw?

1:32:38 ↗ >> Yeah, I'll try.

1:32:39 ↗ >> It's [laughter] a little weird to ask as

1:32:40 ↗ the current chair knowing what's going

1:32:42 ↗ on with this.

1:32:44 ↗ Okay. [laughter]

1:32:46 ↗ >> Um uh

1:32:47 ↗ >> doing great.

1:32:48 ↗ >> Thank you. Thank you.

1:32:50 ↗ >> Sorry.

1:32:52 ↗ >> I am okay. If

1:32:56 ↗ so, I'm hearing one nomination from the

1:32:58 ↗ four for Erica Boyd.

1:33:01 ↗ Are there any other nominations?

1:33:05 ↗ Hearing none, the nominations are

1:33:07 ↗ closed.

1:33:09 ↗ Okay, so Erica, you have been elected as

1:33:12 ↗ chair through September of 2026.

1:33:14 ↗ Congratulations.

1:33:19 ↗ >> Okay. Um, now we move on to vice chair.

1:33:22 ↗ Are there nominations for vice chair?

1:33:25 ↗ I nominate Adam.

1:33:28 ↗ >> Thank you. That makes sense.

1:33:33 ↗ >> Are there any other nominations?

1:33:35 ↗ Hearing none, nominations are closed.

1:33:39 ↗ Adam, you have been elected as vice

1:33:40 ↗ chair through September 2020.

1:33:46 ↗ Thank you all for participating in the

1:33:49 ↗ democratic process. The next item on the

1:33:51 ↗ agenda is reports.

1:33:54 ↗ Yeah, that's me. Um, so just wanted to

1:33:57 ↗ mention two things. Uh, first, uh, I do

1:34:00 ↗ apologize about the calendar invites.

1:34:03 ↗ Let me make it clear. There is no

1:34:05 ↗ meeting in November and we'll see you in

1:34:08 ↗ December. Um, and we'll be meeting here

1:34:12 ↗ and I believe it's on the 19th.

1:34:15 ↗ >> 17th or 19th? Check. 17th. Is it the

1:34:18 ↗ 17th? Let me check. Yeah.

1:34:24 ↗ It is the 17

1:34:27 ↗ >> and you said here in Gibson.

1:34:29 ↗ >> It's at Gibson. Um the reason why we

1:34:31 ↗ moved it uh to Gibson on the 17th is

1:34:34 ↗ because there were multiple boards

1:34:36 ↗ meeting at uh at Tibbitz. Um and we

1:34:41 ↗ moved it outside of the the holiday time

1:34:43 ↗ period.

1:34:46 ↗ Um second thing I wanted to mention and

1:34:48 ↗ I sent this in an email. Um, so Sound

1:34:51 ↗ Transit is looking for public feedback

1:34:53 ↗ on their proposal. Um, and this would be

1:34:57 ↗ to do a service change in fall of 26.

1:35:03 ↗ I can just share my screen. I wanted to

1:35:06 ↗ just share with you the map that they're

1:35:14 ↗ um, so you know, we have two express

1:35:17 ↗ buses in Isiqua. We have 556 and we have

1:35:21 ↗ the 554.

1:35:23 ↗ So this change that they're proposing uh

1:35:27 ↗ would basically

1:35:30 ↗ add a lot of bus stops along Gilman

1:35:35 ↗ specifically and then it's basically in

1:35:38 ↗ like central Isco and Oldtown. Um so

1:35:41 ↗ this is something that we're advocating

1:35:43 ↗ for since I've been here uh three and a

1:35:45 ↗ half years. Uh so this is very exciting.

1:35:48 ↗ um to have like 15 minute bus

1:35:53 ↗ in central

1:35:56 ↗ that is the the benefit of this plan. Um

1:36:00 ↗ the negative is that uh basically when

1:36:04 ↗ the two line opens across

1:36:07 ↗ uh the bridge our 554 bus would go away.

1:36:11 ↗ And so they're going to completely

1:36:13 ↗ remove the 554 and then just kind of

1:36:16 ↗ update the 556. So anybody uh wanting to

1:36:21 ↗ go into Seattle specifically would have

1:36:23 ↗ to transfer um from the bus

1:36:26 ↗ at South Belleview and then they'd have

1:36:28 ↗ to take the light rail. Um so it the the

1:36:33 ↗ negative is that it's not like a one

1:36:34 ↗ seat transit ride anymore. Um but the

1:36:37 ↗ benefit is that our local transit is

1:36:39 ↗ slightly better. So, um

1:36:42 ↗ there there's definitely some pros and

1:36:44 ↗ cons. Um we we were told uh many years

1:36:48 ↗ ago that the 554 was going to continue.

1:36:51 ↗ So, we thought that it was going to be

1:36:53 ↗ like a Mercer Island uh straight to to

1:36:57 ↗ Seattle kind of connection, but now it's

1:36:59 ↗ like kind of backtracking a little bit.

1:37:00 ↗ So, it will add additional time to

1:37:02 ↗ anybody trying to get into Seattle. So

1:37:04 ↗ that's [snorts]

1:37:05 ↗ um kind of unfortunate about that. But

1:37:08 ↗ um

1:37:10 ↗ overall I you know it adds a lot of

1:37:13 ↗ value but also kind of like add some

1:37:16 ↗ gaps to our network. So just something

1:37:18 ↗ to consider. Uh and so yeah if you have

1:37:22 ↗ any comments um there's a feedback form.

1:37:25 ↗ I know Adam has taken it. Um I've taken

1:37:28 ↗ it personally. Uh, I think we we've both

1:37:32 ↗ seen that the form is a little bit

1:37:33 ↗ clunky and it doesn't give you a great

1:37:36 ↗ way to provide um like all the comments

1:37:40 ↗ you'd probably want to provide.

1:37:41 ↗ >> I hit other for everything so I could

1:37:42 ↗ type [laughter]

1:37:47 ↗ good idea. Yeah, I think it's also

1:37:51 ↗ possible that the website has other

1:37:54 ↗ forms that

1:37:56 ↗ there's like a direct contact

1:37:59 ↗ um service changes at soundtransit.org.

1:38:02 ↗ So that might be like option.

1:38:06 ↗ Let them know what you think.

1:38:10 ↗ >> I have a question.

1:38:11 ↗ >> Yeah,

1:38:11 ↗ >> I have received multiple public

1:38:14 ↗ engagements from people who know that I

1:38:18 ↗ like to talk about buses. Um they have

1:38:21 ↗ asked me what the city of Isa like the

1:38:25 ↗ survey is for like the public, right?

1:38:28 ↗ But if Sound Transit has asked for

1:38:30 ↗ Isaqu's feedback on this or if you guys

1:38:33 ↗ have any say in this,

1:38:34 ↗ >> we Yeah, so um there is a working group

1:38:39 ↗ for what's called East Link Connections.

1:38:42 ↗ Um city staff have been involved in that

1:38:45 ↗ the last several years. Also, one

1:38:48 ↗ second, I need to charge my computer.

1:38:50 ↗ It's about to die. Um just keep talking.

1:38:55 ↗ uh uh city staff have been involved in

1:38:57 ↗ that process uh for many years. Uh we've

1:39:00 ↗ been providing comment uh regularly. Uh

1:39:04 ↗ when this was announced, that was the

1:39:06 ↗ first time that we saw it. Uh so Sun

1:39:10 ↗ Transit does reach out to us often, but

1:39:13 ↗ this latest round was kind of a

1:39:16 ↗ surprise. uh we knew generally what the

1:39:18 ↗ idea was but the details uh that were

1:39:21 ↗ provided um

1:39:23 ↗ a lot of it was new to us. Yeah.

1:39:26 ↗ >> Uh we we do chat with them regularly.

1:39:28 ↗ I'm actually chatting with them on

1:39:30 ↗ Fridays. So it's going to be a topic um

1:39:33 ↗ that we bring up but we tend to meet

1:39:35 ↗ with them um I would say like every two

1:39:38 ↗ weeks or so have

1:39:40 ↗ >> I like the benefits but also I think

1:39:42 ↗ about things from a disability lens. Uh

1:39:44 ↗ transfers are really hard for some

1:39:46 ↗ people with disabilities and I don't I

1:39:50 ↗ don't love that that's not a one shot

1:39:51 ↗ anymore.

1:39:52 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:39:54 ↗ >> Is it for public? Is there any conflict

1:39:56 ↗ from me being part of sound transit to

1:39:59 ↗ fill that form? H

1:40:03 ↗ >> I would say

1:40:07 ↗ so is is the question about whether or

1:40:09 ↗ not you can share the form or to fill it

1:40:12 ↗ in or

1:40:14 ↗ >> Yeah, I mean you could fill it in I

1:40:16 ↗ would imagine as a you know as [snorts]

1:40:18 ↗ a individual.

1:40:19 ↗ >> Okay. Um,

1:40:21 ↗ yeah, it is anonymous. So, it's not like

1:40:23 ↗ you're you're not giving

1:40:27 ↗ your your position is not any different

1:40:29 ↗ than anybody else's in that sense. Yeah,

1:40:32 ↗ >> I think it asks for your um [snorts]

1:40:35 ↗ >> there's some like demographic

1:40:37 ↗ identifier.

1:40:38 ↗ >> It asks for zip code and

1:40:39 ↗ >> and your age. I think that's like

1:40:41 ↗ >> Yeah. Um

1:40:42 ↗ >> Oh, and how often you ride the bus,

1:40:44 ↗ >> right? Yeah.

1:40:47 ↗ [snorts]

1:40:50 ↗ I had a procedural question. So, we're

1:40:53 ↗ are we going to be meeting here

1:40:54 ↗ regularly or is it just next meeting?

1:40:56 ↗ >> Just next meeting.

1:40:57 ↗ >> Okay. With two meetings in a row, I

1:40:59 ↗ wasn't sure if this was a permanent

1:41:00 ↗ change.

1:41:01 ↗ >> Yeah. So, let me let me speak to that.

1:41:03 ↗ So, um there were this year in

1:41:05 ↗ particular, the holiday schedule was

1:41:07 ↗ like pretty uh challenging. Uh mostly

1:41:11 ↗ because there's so many boarding

1:41:12 ↗ commissions. There's really only like

1:41:14 ↗ three uh rooms that we can meet. Um, so

1:41:18 ↗ this is a late breaking option

1:41:21 ↗ uh for future meetings. Um, and you can

1:41:24 ↗ smell like when I when I walked in

1:41:26 ↗ today, the paint was still fresh. Um, so

1:41:28 ↗ this this is now an option for for

1:41:30 ↗ meeting. Um, where it wasn't before when

1:41:33 ↗ I was initially scheduling these out in

1:41:35 ↗ January. Um, so all that to say, it's

1:41:40 ↗ possible that we meet here in the

1:41:41 ↗ future. Um, but we're going to try to

1:41:42 ↗ stick to Tibbitz because that's like our

1:41:45 ↗ our go-to spot.

1:41:48 ↗ So yeah, this is quite a convenient

1:41:50 ↗ location.

1:41:51 ↗ >> This is more convenient.

1:41:52 ↗ >> I was gonna say this is way more

1:41:53 ↗ convenient. [snorts] It's more

1:41:55 ↗ convenient for you, too.

1:41:56 ↗ >> Absolutely.

1:41:56 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:41:58 ↗ >> I don't I don't want to speak out of

1:41:59 ↗ turn. Um but I I can

1:42:00 ↗ >> I like to walk.

1:42:02 ↗ >> Yeah. Okay, that's good to know. Um

1:42:05 ↗ yeah, I I will I will chat about this

1:42:07 ↗ being an option in the future, but um I

1:42:10 ↗ suspect maybe not. Um [clears throat]

1:42:13 ↗ yeah [snorts] it this this was for many

1:42:16 ↗ years um like like Kuanas uh clubhouse

1:42:20 ↗ um I think it's still being used uh by

1:42:22 ↗ many different groups so scheduling is

1:42:25 ↗ quite challenging uh for this. It's also

1:42:28 ↗ it's very nice. Um but yeah I'll

1:42:30 ↗ definitely ask about it. Yeah.

1:42:33 ↗ >> What's behind that?

1:42:35 ↗ >> It's like where the it used to be where

1:42:36 ↗ the chairs were all kept.

1:42:38 ↗ >> Yeah. That's where the the chairs the

1:42:39 ↗ tables. Much nicer than the last time I

1:42:41 ↗ was in here. So, well done.

1:42:43 ↗ >> There's also some exercise bikes back

1:42:46 ↗ there. Like some spinning spinning

1:42:47 ↗ bikes.

1:42:52 ↗ >> Meeting all get on exercise bikes.

1:42:54 ↗ [laughter]

1:42:57 ↗ >> Going anywhere.

1:42:59 ↗ 15 minutes left. [laughter]

1:43:05 ↗ >> That's all I got.

1:43:05 ↗ >> That's all you Okay. Um

1:43:09 ↗ Uh, all right. Chair report. I guess

1:43:12 ↗ this is a little off the cut and

1:43:14 ↗ unorthodox, but it sounds like we do

1:43:15 ↗ have a lot of strong opinions about the

1:43:17 ↗ 554 change. Um, I'm going to put you on

1:43:20 ↗ the spot a bit here, but is there any

1:43:22 ↗ precedent for if we had like a unified

1:43:25 ↗ opinion, which I'm not sure that we do

1:43:27 ↗ on uh

1:43:30 ↗ writing a unified tab letter. Is that

1:43:33 ↗ maybe not? So, because we're a few

1:43:35 ↗ layers back behind you, that seems like

1:43:37 ↗ more of a council action. Um, you don't

1:43:40 ↗ have to answer this right now.

1:43:44 ↗ >> Let me let me run it up the flag pole.

1:43:46 ↗ Yeah,

1:43:46 ↗ >> we don't I don't even know if we have

1:43:48 ↗ any kind of

1:43:49 ↗ >> very least it would be nice to have some

1:43:50 ↗ kind of a tab

1:43:53 ↗ unofficial tab discussion of that if

1:43:55 ↗ there if that's at all possible.

1:43:58 ↗ >> Um,

1:44:00 ↗ >> yeah. So I I will say that that the

1:44:02 ↗ comment period closes on November 7th.

1:44:04 ↗ [laughter]

1:44:05 ↗ Um

1:44:07 ↗ yeah, frankly I don't I don't know how

1:44:08 ↗ much uh say we have in the matter. It is

1:44:12 ↗ a regional agency. Um

1:44:16 ↗ however individually

1:44:19 ↗ it does speak uh volumes. If there's a

1:44:22 ↗ lot of folks that use the survey and

1:44:25 ↗ send individual comments, the Sound

1:44:27 ↗ Transit board does look at those things.

1:44:29 ↗ Um, and yeah, the city we ultimately

1:44:33 ↗ like we we see a lot of benefit in what

1:44:36 ↗ they're doing from the the local

1:44:38 ↗ standpoint. [clears throat and cough]

1:44:41 ↗ In both scenarios, there wasn't going to

1:44:43 ↗ be like a a one seat to Seattle.

1:44:47 ↗ um that Sound Transit has specified

1:44:49 ↗ specifically

1:44:51 ↗ um that they were taking away buses that

1:44:53 ↗ were considered redundant with other

1:44:56 ↗ services unless there was like a time

1:44:58 ↗ savings um which they didn't find with

1:45:01 ↗ like the 550.

1:45:04 ↗ >> Yeah, I mean I'll say that'll be very

1:45:06 ↗ nice to go on the 90 bridge on the train

1:45:09 ↗ and just skip by all the cars and

1:45:13 ↗ sometimes the bus gets stuck up in that

1:45:15 ↗ traffic too. So yeah,

1:45:18 ↗ >> that you're saying once you do make the

1:45:19 ↗ transfer.

1:45:20 ↗ >> Yeah, once once the once we do make

1:45:23 ↗ Yeah, especially across the I90 and then

1:45:25 ↗ of course the light rail will go

1:45:28 ↗ straight into downtown like underground.

1:45:31 ↗ That'll be extremely nice. Um so skip

1:45:34 ↗ all those

1:45:37 ↗ routing through downtown and everything.

1:45:38 ↗ So

1:45:39 ↗ >> maybe I'll just ask uh for a future

1:45:44 ↗ staff report on updating how the

1:45:46 ↗ conversations are going or it sounds

1:45:48 ↗ like you're meeting with them or Friday

1:45:50 ↗ tomorrow or

1:45:51 ↗ >> Yeah, we we meet with them for various

1:45:53 ↗ reasons. Um this next one is related to

1:45:55 ↗ like central light railro planning. Um

1:45:58 ↗ but this is which is like obviously

1:46:01 ↗ long-term discussion. Uh but we do chat

1:46:04 ↗ with them just like regularly on like

1:46:05 ↗ operational type things.

1:46:10 ↗ As we were updating the map, we talked a

1:46:12 ↗ lot about how a lot of the transit stuff

1:46:15 ↗ is advocacy rather than action by the

1:46:18 ↗ city. Uh rather direct action. Advocacy

1:46:21 ↗ is still an action. uh but maybe it

1:46:23 ↗ makes sense to get a an update for the

1:46:26 ↗ tab on you know what are the processes

1:46:28 ↗ around advocating for that so that we

1:46:29 ↗ understand that a little bit better and

1:46:32 ↗ uh you know any updates to the

1:46:35 ↗ the specific actions we take around

1:46:37 ↗ advocacy

1:46:44 ↗ >> sounds like a much better [laughter]

1:46:46 ↗ out of the [clears throat] gate let's

1:46:48 ↗ write a letter so yeah

1:46:49 ↗ >> you got started

1:46:52 ↗ Um,

1:46:54 ↗ okay. Chair report. I have nothing to

1:46:56 ↗ report other than uh ballots should be

1:46:59 ↗ in your mailboxes if you vote and please

1:47:02 ↗ vote by November 4th.

1:47:07 ↗ Um, other business and announcements

1:47:11 ↗ the good of the order.

1:47:16 ↗ Seeing none, we are adjourned at 7:49.

1:47:22 ↗ >> Thank you everyone for the muffins. Did

1:47:25 ↗ you make them? So where to

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