Transportation Advisory Board · Wednesday, January 28, 2026 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of October 22, 2025

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4. REGULAR BUSINESS

2027-2032 Transportation Improvement Program (TIP) Introduction(I)

Thomas Valdriz, Senior Transportation Planner · packet pp.5–63

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• Introduce the Transportation Improvement Program (TIP) • Provide context for how the TIP fits into City planning and budgeting • Prepare Board to review the draft 2027-32 TIP in March

Adaptive Signal Control Technology Feasibility Study Introduction (D)

Marina Bandla, Senior Transportation Engineer · packet pp.65–80

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JANUARY 28| TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD

2026 Board Work Plan

Discussion · Thomas Valdriz, Senior Transportation Planner · packet pp.81–98

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21:30 ↗ Traffic signals help vehicles move

21:32 ↗ safely and efficiently, but traditional

21:34 ↗ signals follow fixed timing even when

21:37 ↗ traffic changes.

21:39 ↗ This can lead to delay and driver

21:41 ↗ frustration.

21:43 ↗ What is adaptive signal control and how

21:45 ↗ does it work?

21:47 ↗ Today's traffic signals use detectors

21:49 ↗ such as sensors in the pavement,

21:51 ↗ cameras, or radar to know when vehicles

21:53 ↗ are waiting. Most signals use this

21:56 ↗ information to follow a fixed schedule

21:58 ↗ that changes by time of day, but does

22:00 ↗ not continuously adapt to on the ground

22:02 ↗ traffic conditions. Adaptive traffic

22:05 ↗ signal control builds on this by using

22:07 ↗ real-time data from multiple

22:08 ↗ intersections. Detectors track where

22:11 ↗ traffic is moving smoothly and where

22:13 ↗ backups are forming and share this

22:15 ↗ information between signals. Instead of

22:18 ↗ relying on a preset schedule, the system

22:20 ↗ automatically changes signal timing

22:22 ↗ based on current traffic conditions to

22:24 ↗ better understand how traffic moves

22:26 ↗ through the network. How can adaptive

22:28 ↗ signals benefit the city?

22:31 ↗ When deployed in appropriate corridors,

22:33 ↗ adaptive signals can reduce delays,

22:35 ↗ smooth traffic flow, make travel times

22:38 ↗ more reliable, and reduce the number of

22:40 ↗ stops and time idling. This improves

22:42 ↗ safety and a driver's experience,

22:45 ↗ reduces greenhouse gases, and makes

22:47 ↗ better use of existing transportation

22:48 ↗ infrastructure.

22:50 ↗ Great, but what's the catch? Adaptive

22:53 ↗ signals are not a cure all. They can't

22:55 ↗ prevent congestion caused by crashes,

22:58 ↗ construction, or too many vehicles for

23:00 ↗ the road's capacity. Adaptive signals

23:03 ↗ adjust timing and optimize existing

23:05 ↗ infrastructure, but they can't create

23:07 ↗ new roadway capacity for an overloaded

23:10 ↗ system. For adaptive control to deliver

23:12 ↗ value, the city also needs up-to-date

23:15 ↗ detectors, supporting infrastructure,

23:18 ↗ a strong communications network, and

23:20 ↗ trained staff to monitor and maintain

23:22 ↗ the system. This investment is part of

23:25 ↗ making the technology work for the

23:27 ↗ community. What's the bottom line?

23:30 ↗ Adaptive signal control is a smart tool

23:32 ↗ that can help manage traffic more

23:33 ↗ efficiently by responding to real-time

23:36 ↗ conditions. However, it works best only

23:39 ↗ under the right circumstances. Adaptive

23:41 ↗ signals cannot fix congestion caused by

23:43 ↗ an overloaded roadway system. They

23:46 ↗ require upfront investment in detectors,

23:48 ↗ communications, and supporting

23:49 ↗ infrastructure, as well as ongoing

23:52 ↗ operating and maintenance resources to

23:54 ↗ continue delivering benefits.

23:56 ↗ What's next?

23:58 ↗ The next step is a study to identify

24:00 ↗ which system improvements make the most

24:02 ↗ sense, what investments would be

24:04 ↗ required to implement and maintain them,

24:06 ↗ and which options offer the greatest

24:08 ↗ value.

24:10 ↗ Adaptive signal control can be the

24:11 ↗ cherry on top of a modern signal system,

24:14 ↗ but it is not a one-sizefits-all

24:16 ↗ solution and may not always align with

24:18 ↗ the city's priorities. For that reason,

24:20 ↗ implementation costs and benefits should

24:23 ↗ be evaluated on a corridor bycridor

24:25 ↗ basis. This balanced approach help

24:27 ↗ ensures that future decisions are

24:29 ↗ informed, strategic, and align with the

24:32 ↗ city's broader transportation goals.

31:44 ↗ arterial.

32:05 ↗ I see that a lot

32:09 ↗ that

32:11 ↗ some between

32:14 ↗ 90 in front is really a disaster. Um,

32:17 ↗ and I would be interested in seeing if

32:19 ↗ that can help, but I also

32:22 ↗ I guess I really thought about the um

32:26 ↗ doesn't help if there's too much traffic

32:28 ↗ for the roads, which I think might in my

32:32 ↗ lived experience that doesn't feel like

32:34 ↗ only a traffic signal problem.

32:39 ↗ >> It's Julie. Um I think you know my main

32:42 ↗ experience at least over the past year

32:44 ↗ or so has been

32:47 ↗ bus um we either go trans center ride

32:52 ↗ and two bus from there

32:55 ↗ either two but u when it comes to the

32:58 ↗ bus on 900 u I do think it'll be

33:02 ↗ important to have some have transit

33:04 ↗ priority there um where you know the bus

33:07 ↗ will start particularly when it's

33:09 ↗ approaching the the uh the trans center.

33:13 ↗ So that's pretty important uh from my

33:16 ↗ experience I think. Well, I think I mean

33:20 ↗ probably experience traveling you know

33:23 ↗ throughout that region

33:25 ↗ because I I've been thinking about more

33:31 ↗ extremely

33:34 ↗ I also ride through this quarter. I

33:36 ↗ don't remember what this road that goes

33:38 ↗ right past this old

33:40 ↗ >> SR900

33:41 ↗ >> SR900

33:42 ↗ uh I never remember but SR900 is not a

33:47 ↗ very memorable name I don't know

33:50 ↗ >> anyway this roadway I think is the one

33:53 ↗ that I personally think just from

33:56 ↗ thinking about it like the traffic

33:58 ↗ lights on this quarter are kind of the

33:59 ↗ biggest problem it like people were

34:01 ↗ saying on Front Street and Sunset yes

34:03 ↗ there's a lot of traffic there but

34:04 ↗ that's typically because there's 10,000

34:05 ↗ cars. Like it's not because the traffic

34:07 ↗ lights are slowing things down, but here

34:09 ↗ there's like 10 traffic lights in the

34:10 ↗ road and have been down for during the

34:12 ↗ 90s

34:13 ↗ >> or like when you're going to Lake Smash

34:14 ↗ State Park, there's like literally a set

34:17 ↗ of like four or five traffic light,

34:20 ↗ traffic light, traffic light, traffic

34:21 ↗ light. It is very possible to just get

34:23 ↗ stuck at every single light and make

34:25 ↗ taking like what should be a 10-minute

34:27 ↗ trip take 20 minutes or something,

34:28 ↗ right? Um so that's where I see there

34:32 ↗ being like the biggest need for that

34:34 ↗ sort of thing.

34:35 ↗ Um because that's the place where I get

34:37 ↗ most annoyed by the traffic lights, I

34:40 ↗ guess.

34:42 ↗ >> It's good to know.

34:46 ↗ >> Are you taking detailed questions as

34:48 ↗ well? Because I I I'm having trouble

34:50 ↗ with the kind of the higher level point

34:52 ↗ because because I don't know whether

34:55 ↗ it's a capacity problem or a weather

34:58 ↗ signal. I just never studied it in that

35:01 ↗ way. So I can't say. But I I can tell

35:02 ↗ you that there's a couple of places

35:04 ↗ where the signals are not working well.

35:07 ↗ Um, and one of them uh is the

35:11 ↗ intersection of Front Street and Dogwood

35:14 ↗ at Right here. And if you're on Dogwood

35:16 ↗ and you're trying to go uh left on a

35:19 ↗ front street,

35:21 ↗ you either have to jump out of the car

35:23 ↗ and hit the pedestrian light or and I

35:26 ↗ just and I know that

35:28 ↗ >> in the tip, this is like a future

35:30 ↗ project to redo that. I don't understand

35:33 ↗ why we can't have um a sensor for the

35:37 ↗ cars coming from street because it's

35:39 ↗ really really really problematic. uh

35:43 ↗ >> a pedestrian signal today only.

35:46 ↗ >> It's only a pedestrian signal now.

35:48 ↗ >> And so yeah, all kinds of creative

35:50 ↗ things to get out of there. And it I

35:53 ↗ don't know if that's adaptive or what

35:55 ↗ because I don't know enough about what

35:58 ↗ the boundaries are. Another thing that

36:01 ↗ is um I don't know if this could work,

36:04 ↗ but um I mean I I love a Scramble and I

36:07 ↗ love our Scramble and the three trails

36:10 ↗ crossing, but uh I find myself at that

36:12 ↗ intersection on foot on bike and in a

36:15 ↗ car pretty regularly. When I'm in a car,

36:18 ↗ it seems really really long. And then if

36:21 ↗ I'm running, it seems like it's way

36:23 ↗ longer than it needs to be. And if I'm

36:26 ↗ biking, it's way longer than it needs to

36:27 ↗ be. But if I'm on crutches, like I was

36:29 ↗ last spring, but it's just the right

36:31 ↗ amount of time. Is there any way for

36:32 ↗ these sensors to There's not that much.

36:36 ↗ It's not like, you know, a huge

36:38 ↗ scramble. There's not that much use each

36:40 ↗ signal. Is there any way to adapt it

36:43 ↗ based on the users? Because you can have

36:47 ↗ I mean, it's like 25 or 30 seconds. Some

36:49 ↗ of them be cross 5 seconds and sitting

36:51 ↗ there for seconds. So,

36:53 ↗ >> so the

36:56 ↗ I I can take all my time on this, but um

37:00 ↗ the way that we time signals for

37:02 ↗ pedestrians is that we have a set speed

37:05 ↗ that we assume a pedestrian can walk,

37:07 ↗ which is based basically on somebody.

37:10 ↗ And that is the minimum that our

37:13 ↗ manuals, our guidelines, our best

37:14 ↗ practices allow us to time for a

37:18 ↗ pedestrian. So, if there's a pedestrian

37:20 ↗ call, which at an intersection with a

37:22 ↗ pet scramble, we're going to serve that

37:24 ↗ every single time we go through a cycle.

37:27 ↗ Um,

37:29 ↗ we are always going to serve that

37:31 ↗ manner. There's technology that can

37:33 ↗ detect a pedestrian who's having trouble

37:35 ↗ in the crosswalk and extend that walk

37:37 ↗ longer and to give them time to clear,

37:40 ↗ but it's not necessarily going to be

37:42 ↗ able to go lower than that. And

37:44 ↗ specifically at the scramble, you have

37:46 ↗ to time it based on the longest distance

37:49 ↗ somebody has to cross, which is going to

37:50 ↗ be the diagonal,

37:52 ↗ >> right? So it does ped scramles do have a

37:55 ↗ longer phase. Sometimes they're actually

37:58 ↗ better for the operations though because

38:00 ↗ you're getting all the maintenance at

38:02 ↗ once rather than having to have usually

38:04 ↗ the longest crossing across the major

38:07 ↗ street going with the smallest volumes

38:09 ↗ which is the side street volumes that go

38:12 ↗ through cuz nobody usually goes through.

38:14 ↗ They're only wanting to turn on. So

38:16 ↗ there pedestrians anyway. So you end up

38:18 ↗ with this weird time bang that's

38:23 ↗ really based on like

38:24 ↗ >> So the answer is it's not really on the

38:27 ↗ table because you have to I can't

38:30 ↗ >> one note is that we love a pet scramble.

38:33 ↗ I think that's that's great. And then

38:36 ↗ wanting to be able to have more

38:39 ↗ input on maybe not always going to mass

38:42 ↗ like recall or something. Yeah. And then

38:45 ↗ um final final one is just that it seems

38:47 ↗ like

38:49 ↗ uh it seems like front and sunset is so

38:51 ↗ right for the scramble and I don't know

38:53 ↗ if that's also in its own adaptive uh

38:56 ↗ considering if that's the piece of this

38:58 ↗ conversation

39:00 ↗ very adaptive to me and it seems like

39:03 ↗ >> it would really help there but

39:08 ↗ Julie

39:09 ↗ >> yeah I mean I guess I had just

39:12 ↗ a question about you know the balance

39:14 ↗ you brought up the point about the

39:15 ↗ balance of this discussion of you when

39:17 ↗ we're looking at some of the uh material

39:20 ↗ corridors

39:22 ↗ at you know peak hours of you know

39:24 ↗ between 4 and 5:30 p.m. or 8:30 to 9:30

39:28 ↗ a.m. A lot of these corridors are

39:32 ↗ difficult to get through because of the

39:34 ↗ congestion because of the number of

39:36 ↗ video input and so it's to what extent

39:40 ↗ can adaptive signaling change that and

39:44 ↗ how much problem we have when it comes

39:46 ↗ to induced demands

39:49 ↗ to accept because I assume that people

39:52 ↗ alter

39:54 ↗ not be on the road like myself I

39:57 ↗ uh it's the road That's um one block

40:01 ↗ down from from 900 and I go all the way

40:05 ↗ to the TFC area and I go on go and I

40:08 ↗ take the right or there and you get that

40:11 ↗ signal then I might end up starting with

40:13 ↗ go that's 900 again and again and so my

40:17 ↗ question is just like how to what extent

40:20 ↗ can we sure that

40:24 ↗ also the fact like are we sure that

40:29 ↗ similar

40:38 ↗ as well.

40:39 ↗ >> Yeah.

40:40 ↗ >> Jordan was concerned about second.

40:43 ↗ There's just a lot of people waiting

40:44 ↗ there. That's not the arterial,

40:47 ↗ >> but it's

40:48 ↗ going to defract

40:58 ↗ I almost want to reframe this because

41:00 ↗ there's there's a lot in the question

41:03 ↗ which yeah if we fix capacity or we add

41:09 ↗ if we if we make it so that we can have

41:11 ↗ more through vehicles on the major

41:13 ↗ streets then it may pull things off the

41:17 ↗ side streets but it could also

41:19 ↗ negatively impact people from side

41:22 ↗ streets trying to get onto that at the

41:24 ↗ same time. So that that that is kind of

41:25 ↗ the push and pull, but I I want to try

41:28 ↗ to figure out what is the goal overall

41:31 ↗ is that like

41:33 ↗ we want to have Dory's point less diver

41:37 ↗ traffic onto the side streets, the local

41:39 ↗ streets, and we want to keep things on

41:42 ↗ the arterials if that's the the goal and

41:44 ↗ we want to move that, but we also don't

41:46 ↗ want to induce demand on major

41:48 ↗ arterials. I feel like those are the

41:51 ↗ things that I really need to like hear

41:53 ↗ as far as a priority goes at that's

41:56 ↗ really threading the needle.

41:58 ↗ Let's go over here next.

42:01 ↗ >> So, this might be slightly off topic,

42:03 ↗ but I don't know what a pedestrian

42:04 ↗ scramble is. I don't know if I'm the

42:06 ↗ only one here who doesn't know what that

42:07 ↗ is.

42:08 ↗ >> It's a great question.

42:11 ↗ >> Do you want to handle it, John, or you

42:12 ↗ want? Well, I will take an attempt and

42:16 ↗ then if I what I pick up the pieces.

42:19 ↗ >> So, it is a signal signalized

42:22 ↗ intersection where when the walk sign

42:25 ↗ comes on for the pedestrians, then go

42:27 ↗ any direction. And so, if you're wanting

42:30 ↗ to go north, you go north. If you're

42:31 ↗ wanting to go

42:33 ↗ west, you go west. And if you're wanting

42:36 ↗ to go northeast, you go northeast. And

42:38 ↗ so, all the pedestrian movements happen

42:41 ↗ all at once. So, it's you usually see it

42:43 ↗ where you have a lot of pedestrians. So,

42:45 ↗ if you're at the

42:50 ↗ Yes. A location with lots and lots of

42:52 ↗ pedestrians.

42:53 ↗ >> Yeah. Japan.

42:55 ↗ >> Yeah.

42:56 ↗ >> Yeah.

42:57 ↗ Like the Santa Monica Pier has a

42:59 ↗ pedestrian scramble

43:02 ↗ >> place

43:06 ↗ of the Reineer Trail. Gilman. They call

43:09 ↗ the three trails crossing. Yeah. Or if I

43:12 ↗ ride by schools, I uh see the

43:15 ↗ >> Oh, caboose. They got a little nice,

43:18 ↗ too. I've been there, but I didn't know

43:20 ↗ there was a pedestrian there.

43:22 ↗ >> You have be there.

43:24 ↗ >> Yes.

43:24 ↗ >> Yeah. And if you ever go to the

43:25 ↗ Belleview Transit Center, there's one

43:27 ↗ there, too. Yeah.

43:28 ↗ >> Okay. Yeah. And we were possibly

43:31 ↗ discussing putting one of those in front

43:34 ↗ of Sunset. And I think that being

43:36 ↗ pedestrian crossing there said that's

43:39 ↗ probably a good idea.

43:41 ↗ >> Yeah, you always end up going

43:52 ↗ in your

43:56 ↗ >> um we're looking for like specific

43:58 ↗ priorities. I think based on the

44:01 ↗ different road sections you showed, I

44:04 ↗ guess my mind there's different

44:05 ↗ priorities for different ones of those.

44:07 ↗ Like old town is full of pedestrian. 900

44:11 ↗ does not support as many pedestrians.

44:13 ↗ That's not a pedestrian thoroughfare as

44:15 ↗ much. So my priority probably wouldn't

44:18 ↗ be prioritizing pedestrian 900 even

44:21 ↗ though it is

44:24 ↗ things like that. So I think it's like

44:26 ↗ roadway independent.

44:29 ↗ >> Yeah, I

44:31 ↗ you you queued me up perfectly because

44:33 ↗ the next part of the conversation is to

44:35 ↗ break down the corridor and I would kind

44:38 ↗ of group them up so that they're

44:40 ↗ somewhat similar in nature, but we can

44:42 ↗ get into those very specifics. Um what

44:45 ↗ we're going to do is go through those

44:46 ↗ groups and I like to think of things in

44:49 ↗ three buckets of what about that quarter

44:52 ↗ do you want to protect? What would you

44:54 ↗ like to create? So, what is something

44:56 ↗ new that you would like to see there?

44:58 ↗ And then what do you want to avoid? What

45:00 ↗ would be a bad outcome that you'd be

45:02 ↗ like, "Boy, I wish we didn't do that in

45:04 ↗ the future." Um, so why don't we just go

45:08 ↗ through because the very

45:09 ↗ >> more general comment,

45:11 ↗ >> okay,

45:12 ↗ >> on the pedestrian scramble and

45:14 ↗ discussion of corregation of pedestrian

45:16 ↗ traffic, I think we talked about there's

45:19 ↗ kind of a minimum worthy amount of time

45:20 ↗ that the crosswalk must meet on. We

45:23 ↗ didn't talk about like the full cycle

45:24 ↗ length. So how do you forage and I think

45:27 ↗ this is probably something that is like

45:29 ↗ a general positive of adaptive signaling

45:32 ↗ is you can at times when you don't have

45:34 ↗ congestion reduce the cycle width

45:36 ↗ perhaps for cars

45:38 ↗ >> and that would be awesome.

45:40 ↗ >> Okay. and in a number of uh

45:43 ↗ intersections plus

45:54 ↗ perfect.

45:57 ↗ All right. So the first group that we

46:00 ↗ were looking at um

46:04 ↗ it's like so we have it's okay it's

46:06 ↗ quite a big quite a big group. So, we

46:08 ↗ have the Seamish Northwest Seamish Road

46:12 ↗ at Southeast 56th, which is the loop

46:14 ↗ that goes up and around

46:17 ↗ uh sort of the Costco area there. Um and

46:20 ↗ then East Lake Samish as well. So, lots

46:24 ↗ of big box retail off of those, lots of

46:27 ↗ um shopping through traffic on those as

46:30 ↗ well. We also included um Front Street

46:34 ↗ in here. uh I think just the north side

46:36 ↗ of Front Street and then 17th or the

46:40 ↗ SR900

46:41 ↗ um corridor which is a much longer one.

46:44 ↗ Now the ones that I've kind of

46:45 ↗ highlighted in yellow on the basically

46:48 ↗ what's north of I90 that is included in

46:52 ↗ one of the plans that we were talking

46:54 ↗ about earlier. Um and there's a little

46:57 ↗ cross-section in there. They're called

47:00 ↗ like parkways. Um I showed the option

47:03 ↗ here where there's a transit on them. So

47:05 ↗ on some of these parkways there are

47:07 ↗ transit you know routes. So there's

47:10 ↗ transit priority. Um and on those the

47:14 ↗ modal plan has already sort of

47:16 ↗ identified that vehicles and transit are

47:19 ↗ going to be the like the mode priorities

47:21 ↗ for those major corridors.

47:28 ↗ So with that, I just kind of want to

47:30 ↗ looking at the map of these corridors on

47:32 ↗ on the board. What do we want to protect

47:35 ↗ create? Why don't we just start with one

47:37 ↗ question at a time? Hold on. What do we

47:39 ↗ want to protect about those corridors?

47:49 ↗ regardless.

47:51 ↗ >> I think this has this I know we talk

47:53 ↗ about priorizing and less of rather

47:55 ↗ regardless these are arterial but um on

47:59 ↗ piece you like to have a shrill where

48:02 ↗ all the bikes and the runners are. I

48:04 ↗ think that these I can imagine all all

48:06 ↗ three creative work protecting their

48:09 ↗ signal priority because there I do

48:11 ↗ notice as someone who's ran for or just

48:15 ↗ just ran um that's a very popular respon

48:26 ↗ I think I think that cross also has a

48:29 ↗ history of uh accidents

48:32 ↗ so there's

48:35 ↗ something that we would be looking for

48:37 ↗ the uh group pedestrians still be

48:39 ↗ improved especially with all left turns

48:43 ↗ >> yeah some improvements to it like this

48:46 ↗ allow terms that science they're not

48:48 ↗ always following

48:53 ↗ the solutions that have children

48:56 ↗ bouncing off that point. Uh I think

48:59 ↗ I think you know having enabling people

49:02 ↗ to

49:03 ↗ people who are biking or who are walking

49:07 ↗ or rolling

49:09 ↗ on these trails. So East Lake Smamash

49:12 ↗ among the Smamish trail on the north

49:14 ↗ side of north of the Smamish road and

49:16 ↗ then kind of the the other trails on the

49:20 ↗ west side of uh SR 900 those kind those

49:25 ↗ trails and then of course the crossing

49:26 ↗ from East Lake Samish to the rest trail.

49:30 ↗ So trying to make sure that people are

49:32 ↗ able to flow pretty freely between, you

49:35 ↗ know, when they like cross the road and

49:37 ↗ stuff and so enable that happen. I know

49:41 ↗ there's been times where I've had to be

49:44 ↗ stuck at the crossing for squad rest and

49:48 ↗ trail quite a long time. that we're

49:51 ↗ trying to uh tax the ability for um best

49:58 ↗ friends and my nurse and rollers to go

50:00 ↗ through that area

50:02 ↗ to me.

50:06 ↗ >> Uh I was just going to try and put a

50:07 ↗ positive spin on say that there is a

50:09 ↗ history of some uh there was a fatality

50:12 ↗ out many years ago. Um but there have

50:14 ↗ been improvements

50:16 ↗ um and I think we want to project those

50:19 ↗ improvements. Um I do feel like my

50:22 ↗ office is particularly efficient to get

50:23 ↗ further non-motorized but it is there is

50:27 ↗ a facility which is nice and so making

50:31 ↗ sure that we protect the um

50:34 ↗ the predictable there and the

50:37 ↗ separating

50:40 ↗ at some of those major intersections

50:43 ↗ where nonmotorized and yeah

50:49 ↗ I think they're probably at least three

50:51 ↗ and then major non-car intersections in

50:55 ↗ this corner of the wood. Uh and so what

50:57 ↗ we talked about earlier with like uh

50:59 ↗ prioritizing non non-vehicle traffic at

51:02 ↗ times when we don't have a lot of

51:04 ↗ throughput and vehicle traffic. I heard

51:06 ↗ you say signal lights there.

51:09 ↗ >> I was actually just talking about the

51:10 ↗ safety.

51:11 ↗ >> Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm I guess I want to

51:14 ↗ make sure that safety efforts that have

51:16 ↗ been made are protected. Um,

51:18 ↗ >> yeah,

51:19 ↗ >> I think that even if it's not

51:21 ↗ prioritized for nonmotorized efficiency,

51:23 ↗ that's a trade-off we make and I think

51:25 ↗ we can't make any trade-offs in safety.

51:28 ↗ And so just the like there's that um the

51:32 ↗ signal that says that you can't make the

51:34 ↗ right turn, you know,

51:37 ↗ first.

51:39 ↗ Yes. Thank you.

51:48 ↗ Um,

51:50 ↗ let's go into create. What do you What

51:53 ↗ would you like these corridors to be

51:55 ↗ that they're not doing well today?

52:06 ↗ to like uh for 17 and like getting onto

52:10 ↗ I90. Um just that backup if you're not

52:13 ↗ HOV

52:15 ↗ um usually because people are going

52:17 ↗ straight or right does everybody know

52:19 ↗ where I'm talking about? Okay. Um so

52:23 ↗ like helping them create less friction

52:26 ↗ um on that entrance and then getting off

52:29 ↗ I90 onto Front Street just the folks

52:31 ↗ that are trying to get over to continue

52:33 ↗ onto Front that big um that's really

52:37 ↗ difficult

52:38 ↗ >> and then everybody else who just wants

52:40 ↗ to go right on building

52:46 ↗ uh areas that create

52:50 ↗ a room

52:52 ↗ Victoria,

52:53 ↗ >> in addition um getting off 90 onto 900,

52:58 ↗ I sit at that light, you know, right

53:00 ↗ there by the PCC

53:02 ↗ multiple light cycle every time. And if

53:04 ↗ I go at a really, really, really dead

53:06 ↗ time, like that ramp is backed up all

53:08 ↗ the way to the highway a lot of times

53:11 ↗ and I'm just sitting there fine. But I

53:15 ↗ imagine that that is a bottleneck for

53:18 ↗ people who need to go places other than

53:21 ↗ Costco, you know, like it's uh I don't

53:25 ↗ know that like just never seems right to

53:27 ↗ me. Um get off there sitting on that

53:30 ↗ ramp.

53:31 ↗ >> Can you say again?

53:33 ↗ >> It's when you're going eastbound on

53:37 ↗ westbound on 90. when you go to get

53:39 ↗ officially online

53:42 ↗ and um whether you're going right or

53:44 ↗ left from that exit that whole exit back

53:46 ↗ up especially because there comes a

53:49 ↗ point where you can't separate into

53:50 ↗ whether you're going right or left and

53:51 ↗ it's just one long line ours um I don't

53:55 ↗ know that I've ever sat at that cycle

53:56 ↗ for less than like two

53:59 ↗ >> gothroughs or whatever you go to Costco

54:01 ↗ at 9 in

54:04 ↗ I send my husband for exact now

54:10 ↗ I've gotten hit on that like by a car

54:12 ↗ behind me on that one. Uh I just I

54:14 ↗ really particularly hate that off ramp

54:16 ↗ but I the light seems a problem there.

54:19 ↗ Anyone

54:23 ↗ else with things I want to relate

54:26 ↗ for?

54:28 ↗ I think Julian mentioned this earlier,

54:31 ↗ but this is the corridor that includes

54:33 ↗ the Squatch Transit Center, I believe,

54:35 ↗ and creating more

54:38 ↗ um more mobility for the buses to get in

54:42 ↗ and out, especially during high traffic

54:44 ↗ hours because I know the bus has not

54:45 ↗ been sitting traffic there for freaking

54:49 ↗ ever. um when you're coming in and

54:52 ↗ coming going in or going out at a high

54:54 ↗ like a high per time and I know that

54:57 ↗ there's some things so smart uh with the

55:01 ↗ signaling improvement like there's

55:04 ↗ uh like prioritization for buses

55:07 ↗ a lot with getting people in and out of

55:08 ↗ the center

55:15 ↗ you mentioned that up by the trans

55:16 ↗ center and all the new developments are

55:19 ↗ the potential like gears in the future

55:21 ↗ if that happens and um but that will be

55:24 ↗ like the new symbol maybe I know this

55:25 ↗ only shows these highlight areas but

55:27 ↗ maybe that would be or that's included

55:29 ↗ as well or analysis signals because that

55:32 ↗ might be to consider in the future that

55:34 ↗ might be a busy area mainly track walls

55:37 ↗ might increase

55:39 ↗ or especially when pedestrians

55:43 ↗ walk around

55:48 ↗ at very least just preparing for making

55:51 ↗ sure this this infrastructure is

55:53 ↗ compatible with that future is

55:54 ↗ important.

55:55 ↗ >> Mhm.

55:59 ↗ >> Yeah. And also there's a lot of

56:01 ↗ development that is getting open to that

56:02 ↗ trail that is already broken ground or

56:05 ↗ they break ground soon on that one. It's

56:07 ↗ going to be a lot more at least local

56:10 ↗ traffic that will be continuing with

56:12 ↗ pass through traffic that we

56:13 ↗ >> Yeah. And also I think uh you know

56:16 ↗ thinking about future developments I

56:18 ↗ feel like those you know big boxers are

56:20 ↗ eventually going to be red developed uh

56:24 ↗ sometime in the future and so you know

56:27 ↗ thinking about

56:29 ↗ to you know make sure that

56:34 ↗ that

56:35 ↗ scenario many

56:42 ↗ Great.

56:43 ↗ And then anything on these to avoid

56:46 ↗ things we don't want

56:54 ↗ >> any siblings comments on

56:57 ↗ the safety protected and avoid. Yeah.

57:02 ↗ Yeah.

57:12 ↗ I guess this is

57:14 ↗ guess I guess another situation to talk

57:17 ↗ about like when it comes to the side

57:19 ↗ streets of when it comes to area and

57:24 ↗ those uh arch but those roads flowing

57:28 ↗ into

57:30 ↗ road and thinking you know we want to

57:33 ↗ avoid

57:35 ↗ making it smoother on a side road at the

57:39 ↗ expense of making her turn her left or

57:42 ↗ whatever

57:43 ↗ etc etc. So I don't know where I stand

57:46 ↗ on that. Uh but I think that question

57:57 ↗ but um I mean you mentioned like the

57:59 ↗ entrance to the N that00

58:04 ↗ as well.

58:09 ↗ I'm sorry I was restate that for me. I

58:11 ↗ was still I was trying to make any

58:13 ↗ saying and I distracted um avoiding the

58:16 ↗ juice especially with what you mentioned

58:17 ↗ earlier with the the 90 and that's true.

58:25 ↗ I think in general we talked about kind

58:27 ↗ of the backups that conformed uh due to

58:32 ↗ polit

58:34 ↗ and we do uh backups that prevent you

58:38 ↗ know traffic flowing around

58:41 ↗ which pretty well

58:44 ↗ you know just because we

58:51 ↗ all right

58:54 ↗ moving On to the next slide.

58:59 ↗ It's a fun one. Uh, so this is the south

59:03 ↗ end of Front Street and then east and

59:06 ↗ west of Sunset. We've already heard the

59:08 ↗ intersection

59:10 ↗ of Front and Sunset is a concern. Um,

59:16 ↗ this one's perfect. There's no problem.

59:17 ↗ Yeah.

59:19 ↗ >> Protect the operation at

59:28 ↗ Besides uh traffic, what I'm talking

59:30 ↗ about thinking about protecting this is

59:32 ↗ a really huge area uh where kids walk to

59:36 ↗ school um multiple schools uh at

59:40 ↗ multiple ages. Um and then I would

59:44 ↗ really like to like

59:46 ↗ facility for them at crosswalk uh things

59:49 ↗ like that. Um I know

59:54 ↗ on second one because of the traffic

59:56 ↗ pages that flash you make on the school

59:59 ↗ road. But uh like yeah um but

1:00:04 ↗ yeah just in general taking protect

1:00:07 ↗ large sidewalks for kids groups of kids.

1:00:10 ↗ It's a really big area for a lot of

1:00:13 ↗ pedestrians but particularly a lot of

1:00:15 ↗ kids and some kids on uh e scooters that

1:00:18 ↗ maybe don't know road safety and things

1:00:20 ↗ like that. And while they should talk

1:00:22 ↗ about safety, like I just would hate to

1:00:25 ↗ see any accidents. We had an accident at

1:00:27 ↗ six and sunset a couple years ago where

1:00:31 ↗ elderly man would hit. Um so things like

1:00:35 ↗ that,

1:00:38 ↗ >> I would say, you know, front street,

1:00:41 ↗ this this part of street and sunset way

1:00:44 ↗ is kind of like the most pedestrian

1:00:48 ↗ section of Isaba by far. And so I think

1:00:50 ↗ the most important thing to protect for

1:00:52 ↗ me is just the pedestrianization of that

1:00:54 ↗ region. Like we we don't want anything

1:00:56 ↗ that will make the area more hostile to

1:00:59 ↗ pedestrians. Uh be that with like harder

1:01:02 ↗ to track across the street or anything

1:01:04 ↗ like that and including safety, but I

1:01:06 ↗ also just think the general like

1:01:08 ↗ convenience of pedestrians

1:01:10 ↗ I want to protect here. But and also

1:01:12 ↗ with I think protecting it's pretty

1:01:16 ↗ fluid like is

1:01:19 ↗ yeah

1:01:23 ↗ >> I don't know if this is within the scope

1:01:25 ↗ but uh when they connect to like

1:01:27 ↗ intelligence um

1:01:30 ↗ because really between I said 15 17 and

1:01:33 ↗ 18 a lot of people can get off of any

1:01:35 ↗ one of those

1:01:36 ↗ >> and it would be really I mean for real

1:01:39 ↗ time data that's feeding into the back

1:01:41 ↗ your real time data so that the drivers

1:01:43 ↗ can adapt

1:01:45 ↗ local maps.

1:01:46 ↗ >> No, I'm just thinking I don't know if we

1:01:48 ↗ would ever have signage, but like

1:01:50 ↗ wouldn't it be nice if I knew instead of

1:01:53 ↗ arguing every time about whether it's

1:01:55 ↗ better 15, 17, right?

1:01:59 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:02:00 ↗ So it's nice if there was some

1:02:01 ↗ indication of of which of those is to

1:02:06 ↗ then you can go the other way cuz

1:02:08 ↗ there's a lot of options for a lot of us

1:02:11 ↗ in that whole grid

1:02:13 ↗ >> and I don't know if that's

1:02:16 ↗ >> I mean there's it system that can do

1:02:18 ↗ that

1:02:18 ↗ >> but can that can they work together?

1:02:20 ↗ Yeah, I think yeah that is a it can

1:02:24 ↗ making a system that can and

1:02:26 ↗ coordinating with wash to do that it's

1:02:28 ↗ definitely a challenge but it's not kind

1:02:30 ↗ of a pie in the sky

1:02:32 ↗ >> I don't know that it's a pie in the sky

1:02:33 ↗ that I have done

1:02:36 ↗ >> I did a project in Tacoma and that was

1:02:38 ↗ our recommendation

1:02:42 ↗ >> yeah between the three interchange the

1:02:45 ↗ three exits a lot of people have you

1:02:48 ↗ know options going to the plateau or

1:02:50 ↗ whether going south

1:02:53 ↗ or you could go any of those if you knew

1:02:56 ↗ that Newport was moving but um street

1:03:00 ↗ wasn't you can get

1:03:03 ↗ off at 15.

1:03:05 ↗ So let's talk about supermarket

1:03:07 ↗ checkouts for a second.

1:03:09 ↗ All right. So, okay, say I have three

1:03:12 ↗ lanes, three uh supermarket checkouts,

1:03:14 ↗ and I have a queue behind each of them.

1:03:16 ↗ Each of those cues is going to move, you

1:03:18 ↗ know, at the speed of the checkout. If I

1:03:20 ↗ have one queue that needs all three of

1:03:22 ↗ those, that Q moves three times as fast,

1:03:24 ↗ even though the throughput through the

1:03:25 ↗ check.

1:03:27 ↗ There's a lot of that going on in these

1:03:29 ↗ streets where you have everything

1:03:32 ↗ leading to the oneway and going south

1:03:34 ↗ for the people that are going toward

1:03:37 ↗ South. Uh and so a lot of trouble in

1:03:42 ↗ this particular corridor is people can't

1:03:44 ↗ get around town when they're not going

1:03:46 ↗ through the cross streets south because

1:03:50 ↗ there's so much traffic going on front

1:03:52 ↗ streets out. So I mentioned this earlier

1:03:54 ↗ like if there were a way to you know

1:03:57 ↗ turn it into kind of a one Q system

1:03:59 ↗ where everybody's flowing then you get

1:04:00 ↗ flow of traffic around town even though

1:04:02 ↗ there's a lot of congestion capacity

1:04:05 ↗ cover

1:04:07 ↗ no idea how to do it

1:04:10 ↗ that's okay

1:04:11 ↗ >> there's a lot of potential traffic

1:04:13 ↗ shaping that

1:04:15 ↗ >> has the impact of it's the same amount

1:04:18 ↗ of capacity it's the same amount of

1:04:19 ↗ throughput but on any particular

1:04:22 ↗ traffic's moving a little bit faster and

1:04:24 ↗ so traffic that is not going through the

1:04:27 ↗ bottle that uh has a better experience.

1:04:33 ↗ So I want to dig in just a little bit on

1:04:35 ↗ the front street backs up and it stops

1:04:38 ↗ you from getting around other ways. So

1:04:41 ↗ would the desire be to get people to use

1:04:44 ↗ an alternative route to Fun Street so

1:04:46 ↗ that it doesn't back up as much onto

1:04:48 ↗ other

1:04:50 ↗ >> um I would say to be specific we've got

1:04:53 ↗ the intersection at Front and Second

1:04:55 ↗ which is set up the high school.

1:04:57 ↗ >> Yes. The bottom of the map there we've

1:04:59 ↗ got the intersection of Front and Sunset

1:05:03 ↗ intersection of Newport and Sunset

1:05:07 ↗ >> uh and then second at Sunset.

1:05:09 ↗ >> Mhm. If you think of this as like three

1:05:11 ↗ highway exits funneling through that

1:05:14 ↗ going down through the that one lane um

1:05:18 ↗ at the worst times you get traffic back

1:05:20 ↗ up and essentially stop.

1:05:24 ↗ >> So three lanes of it less traffic going

1:05:29 ↗ >> each of them moves a third of the one

1:05:32 ↗ lane south of the second and front uh

1:05:37 ↗ intersection.

1:05:38 ↗ >> Yeah. So if if there were an alternative

1:05:42 ↗ that didn't have that following

1:05:43 ↗ property,

1:05:45 ↗ >> you might have a better experience for

1:05:47 ↗ people that are not trying to going east

1:05:50 ↗ west instead of trying to go south

1:05:53 ↗ east west around town.

1:05:55 ↗ >> Yeah. Well, because one of the problems

1:05:56 ↗ I think that what he's trying to say is

1:05:58 ↗ that like if I try to go down like Broad

1:06:01 ↗ Street while you're in that traffic, but

1:06:03 ↗ I'm just trying to get to like Thai down

1:06:06 ↗ front street, but like I'm not trying to

1:06:07 ↗ go restaurant. I I love that restaurant.

1:06:10 ↗ Like if if I'm just trying to go go to a

1:06:12 ↗ a restaurant in along Front Street, it's

1:06:14 ↗ completely impossible that time of day.

1:06:16 ↗ But if you could just make it that the

1:06:17 ↗ same route of traffic moves a little bit

1:06:18 ↗ faster, it would make it much easier for

1:06:20 ↗ me to get as a misappable resident to

1:06:22 ↗ get from my house to the Thai restaurant

1:06:24 ↗ within town.

1:06:26 ↗ So if there's any solutions that like

1:06:28 ↗ can just make it so that the flow the

1:06:30 ↗ traffic flows through town even if it's

1:06:32 ↗ the same amount of traffic that would

1:06:33 ↗ make it easier to get to our

1:06:35 ↗ destinations. And that's the main

1:06:36 ↗ concern people live in the time

1:06:38 ↗ >> where it's fully stopped and we can't

1:06:39 ↗ >> Yeah. Because the problem is traffic

1:06:40 ↗ being stopped, not their V8 traffic.

1:06:43 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:06:49 ↗ just thinking of things I want to

1:06:50 ↗ protect. Um that trail head's right

1:06:53 ↗ there on Sunset and like any they've

1:06:56 ↗ done well parking lots,

1:06:59 ↗ but um the fact that it's there, the

1:07:02 ↗ electric charging they're putting there,

1:07:04 ↗ things like that. Um I think that's part

1:07:07 ↗ of what make really special is how many

1:07:09 ↗ entrances you have in the mountain. Um

1:07:11 ↗ this is the protect slashcreate. a tiny

1:07:15 ↗ little fourc car parking lot by the high

1:07:17 ↗ school trail, you know, that

1:07:18 ↗ >> Oh, yeah.

1:07:19 ↗ >> Yeah. Incred.

1:07:20 ↗ >> Yeah. And like

1:07:22 ↗ >> occasionally you'll get a car that's

1:07:23 ↗ parks, so you're kind of parked in um

1:07:28 ↗ >> that I would like uh protecting access,

1:07:32 ↗ I guess, to to the trail on this because

1:07:34 ↗ there are a couple like very wellused

1:07:36 ↗ ones uh on these corridors.

1:07:46 ↗ picking up a vulnerable.

1:07:48 ↗ >> Yeah,

1:07:50 ↗ true.

1:07:51 ↗ >> Yeah. I mean, I think like the previous

1:07:54 ↗ discussion was a lot about

1:07:57 ↗ matters of throughput and I don't think

1:07:59 ↗ that can do that stuff.

1:08:03 ↗ So you know I think priority for this

1:08:06 ↗ for this area is really to ensure that

1:08:09 ↗ those will get around bikers able to get

1:08:11 ↗ around pretty quickly. uh uh protecting

1:08:15 ↗ the premier trail protecting uh you know

1:08:19 ↗ will eventually be an east sunset

1:08:22 ↗ bikeway or or maybe that's sort of on I

1:08:24 ↗ use and so those kinds of uh the best

1:08:29 ↗ possible really

1:08:33 ↗ yeah

1:08:34 ↗ >> yeah no signaling won't fix the issue of

1:08:39 ↗ >> three different passages going

1:08:41 ↗ >> you're not going to like not found

1:08:44 ↗ developments to make different like that

1:08:46 ↗ jump through the funnel gets us but it

1:08:48 ↗ is

1:08:49 ↗ >> um

1:08:50 ↗ >> yeah so I protecting uh the ability

1:08:54 ↗ rather than loser but the safety of the

1:08:56 ↗ interaction between pedestrians the

1:08:58 ↗ people on wheels

1:09:01 ↗ the people in cars

1:09:04 ↗ >> so a couple things related to the roof

1:09:06 ↗ so if we talk about another quarter uh

1:09:08 ↗ transit uh so going on sunset that's

1:09:11 ↗ kind of a connection point between the

1:09:14 ↗ Isqua transit center uh you know via

1:09:17 ↗ Newport comes to sunset is up for the

1:09:19 ↗ highlands uh so priorization to transit

1:09:23 ↗ uh this is one place we got that and

1:09:25 ↗ historically we've had transit go on

1:09:28 ↗ street as well I don't know if there's

1:09:29 ↗ current

1:09:33 ↗ >> yeah so that's going to change over time

1:09:35 ↗ but I think there's a lot of transit

1:09:37 ↗ route bus routes we do

1:09:40 ↗ priorities

1:09:42 ↗ uh And then the other thing when you

1:09:43 ↗ talk about folks kind of people moving

1:09:46 ↗ on to nonmaterials because they have to

1:09:50 ↗ do that to protect their place in life.

1:09:53 ↗ So even even if they wanted to stay off

1:09:56 ↗ of them, they're highly motivated to

1:09:59 ↗ take a pass through. For example, when

1:10:02 ↗ you say people, you mean specifically

1:10:04 ↗ car just

1:10:11 ↗ >> Yeah, speeding is another thing.

1:10:14 ↗ >> Uh

1:10:15 ↗ yeah. So So Sunset, just south of Sunset

1:10:18 ↗ is uh Andrews.

1:10:21 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh, a lot of traffic on

1:10:23 ↗ Andrews is just kind of cutting the

1:10:25 ↗ corner there. That kind of thing. If

1:10:27 ↗ there's stuff we can do to,

1:10:30 ↗ uh, disincentivize,

1:10:32 ↗ uh, pass through traffic, cut through

1:10:34 ↗ traffic, that kind of thing.

1:10:35 ↗ >> It used to be on sunset and no left turn

1:10:38 ↗ at certain times onto

1:10:41 ↗ >> Never.

1:10:42 ↗ >> I never did that either, and it didn't

1:10:44 ↗ really stop anyone. Um, and then they

1:10:47 ↗ put those speed bumps in which seems

1:10:49 ↗ like a fun challenge to the high

1:10:50 ↗ schoolers. Um,

1:10:55 ↗ kind of put the buses and I know the B4

1:10:57 ↗ go away and stuff, but so you're coming

1:10:59 ↗ off 90 and you're going down sunset.

1:11:04 ↗ The number of people to want to make

1:11:06 ↗ that left on second backs up so much

1:11:09 ↗ into a single lane that if you want to

1:11:10 ↗ go straight, you have to wait for like

1:11:12 ↗ 50 cars to make the left first. Um,

1:11:17 ↗ there's, you know, a bunch of stuff

1:11:18 ↗ there. So, I don't know how much that

1:11:19 ↗ could work out, but that seems to really

1:11:22 ↗ impede people who aren't even trying to

1:11:24 ↗ go that way like that. And I saw it on

1:11:27 ↗ the tip or whatever. Um, I think it's

1:11:30 ↗ one part's a little like one year and

1:11:34 ↗ one part's like three years or

1:11:35 ↗ something. But uh that left turn going

1:11:38 ↗ straight problem seems to be like a big

1:11:42 ↗ bottleneck that doesn't they're not all

1:11:45 ↗ triangle at the same place so it's yeah

1:11:48 ↗ >> they get stuck there

1:11:51 ↗ >> something that I have to work on

1:11:53 ↗ >> something to create figure that out

1:11:56 ↗ >> um but that that's an area where I'm

1:11:58 ↗ like oh not even they're not even

1:11:59 ↗ waiting you make a lap they just want to

1:12:01 ↗ go to D you can't so

1:12:03 ↗ >> similar to Uh when we talk about people

1:12:06 ↗ trying to go east west and to north

1:12:08 ↗ south like if you were just trying to

1:12:10 ↗ get over to like mountain or whatever

1:12:13 ↗ >> you can't because you're well you got to

1:12:16 ↗ wait for everyone who wants to make a

1:12:18 ↗ left on second and then you got to wait

1:12:19 ↗ for people want to make a left on front

1:12:21 ↗ that's just a very one lane road.

1:12:26 ↗ I don't know.

1:12:28 ↗ >> But

1:12:29 ↗ >> I think we're ready to go to the next

1:12:30 ↗ group thing.

1:12:31 ↗ >> What one more thing that's wrong here? I

1:12:34 ↗ I asked a question about email which was

1:12:36 ↗ basically uh

1:12:39 ↗ as part of building this we had a new

1:12:41 ↗ opportunity to collect data. So even if

1:12:43 ↗ we're not doing you know specifically

1:12:46 ↗ adjustment schedules we might find data

1:12:49 ↗ with us too many uh events.

1:12:53 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:12:54 ↗ >> And so one of the examples of that would

1:12:55 ↗ be school times there's a lot of traffic

1:12:58 ↗ which we left out. Uh perhaps there's

1:13:01 ↗ something we can do with the adaptive

1:13:02 ↗ signaling there. like we know there's

1:13:04 ↗ going to just a huge amount of traffic

1:13:06 ↗ coming from uh the high school and the

1:13:09 ↗ middle school by the same time Jeff sles

1:13:12 ↗ for that but even if you don't adjust

1:13:14 ↗ the timing of lights uh having that in a

1:13:18 ↗ data source that we can rely on for

1:13:21 ↗ opportunities and change schedules or

1:13:22 ↗ whatever and I'll I'll reiterate just

1:13:25 ↗ for the rest of the time here that as

1:13:27 ↗ part of this project we are helping

1:13:30 ↗ staff look at new data sources big data

1:13:32 ↗ sources that are going to answer exactly

1:13:34 ↗ some of those questions because those

1:13:35 ↗ are also some of the things that we need

1:13:36 ↗ to know to understand if the active

1:13:39 ↗ signal is even feasible. Um, and then

1:13:42 ↗ we're working with staff to make sure

1:13:43 ↗ that that data can be used to better

1:13:45 ↗ manage traffic flow overall. Um, but it

1:13:48 ↗ and I've heard this I think from

1:13:50 ↗ multiple members that that is just the

1:13:52 ↗ concern is making sure you have data

1:13:55 ↗ that backs up travel management like

1:13:57 ↗ efforts overall.

1:14:00 ↗ >> Yeah. Taking that one step further,

1:14:03 ↗ a lot of the sources kind of are, you

1:14:05 ↗ know, made any changes, you haven't

1:14:07 ↗ perturbed the system. You're just

1:14:09 ↗ measuring kind of how it is naturally,

1:14:11 ↗ >> right? If you allow foration in the

1:14:14 ↗ system, that can allow for much more

1:14:17 ↗ precise data science and so coupling

1:14:20 ↗ that with the

1:14:23 ↗ the traffic uh signal changes,

1:14:27 ↗ it opens up other possibilities.

1:14:29 ↗ >> Yeah, absolutely.

1:14:33 ↗ All right.

1:14:35 ↗ Next is the Highlands 9th Avenue. Sort

1:14:39 ↗ of a couplet up through the Highlands

1:14:42 ↗ area. Um,

1:14:45 ↗ we have two more groups. We're good on

1:14:46 ↗ time to keep going. Space. All right.

1:14:49 ↗ Um,

1:14:51 ↗ start with protect.

1:15:00 ↗ Sorry, just where's

1:15:02 ↗ >> I think this

1:15:05 ↗ purple corridor that's a southbound part

1:15:07 ↗ of a couple is the blue that goes to

1:15:10 ↗ Nora.

1:15:11 ↗ >> There's the Safeway gas station at the

1:15:13 ↗ bottom.

1:15:14 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah.

1:15:15 ↗ >> Splits around. Yes.

1:15:17 ↗ >> Across street.

1:15:35 ↗ pedestrian priority that is still a lot

1:15:37 ↗ of commercial area.

1:15:45 ↗ I think the big thing here is yeah I

1:15:49 ↗ guess the uh public defeat began between

1:15:55 ↗ go straight through uh to go to Kohani

1:15:58 ↗ or something to see damage um

1:16:02 ↗ versus you know obviously the pedestrian

1:16:05 ↗ have been trying to preserve the ability

1:16:08 ↗ to to do that across um but I'm not

1:16:13 ↗ familiar the highlands areas make a

1:16:16 ↗ strong optimization

1:16:18 ↗ but you know obviously I'm inclined to

1:16:20 ↗ protect cross streets and J pedestrians

1:16:23 ↗ and so that's just my general bias but

1:16:26 ↗ uh

1:16:28 ↗ I don't go to the highlands enough to

1:16:30 ↗ say

1:16:34 ↗ let's see Thomas I noticed Erica has a

1:16:37 ↗ hand up there if you could help me watch

1:16:39 ↗ for that

1:16:39 ↗ >> yes great

1:16:42 ↗ >> let's gohead Erica,

1:16:45 ↗ >> thank you. Um, can you hear me? Okay.

1:16:49 ↗ Okay. I'm seeing some nods, I think.

1:16:51 ↗ Sorry. Um, my audio is a little funky. I

1:16:53 ↗ can mostly hear you all. Uh, my

1:16:55 ↗ curiosity is around the as the um

1:17:00 ↗ guess that's the west end of that if I'm

1:17:03 ↗ looking at the map right. It gets

1:17:04 ↗ further developed. I'm curious what sort

1:17:07 ↗ of pedestrian I guess both forms traffic

1:17:10 ↗ but just folks walking from their houses

1:17:12 ↗ to the Safeway or the other services in

1:17:15 ↗ the area uh coffee shops etc. um what

1:17:18 ↗ that means for the pedestrian usage and

1:17:22 ↗ signaling there. And then uh the other

1:17:25 ↗ thing of note is the um 5 well the

1:17:29 ↗ transit center and then there's the 554

1:17:31 ↗ stop that's kind of around the hospital

1:17:34 ↗ which I know potentially like that's

1:17:37 ↗ shifting or changing in the future. Um

1:17:42 ↗ but um I personally have not experienced

1:17:47 ↗ rough traffic flow in this area and I

1:17:50 ↗ might just not be driving during the

1:17:53 ↗ right times of the day to experience

1:17:54 ↗ that compared to some of the other areas

1:17:56 ↗ covered.

1:18:00 ↗ >> Have a similar experience but it's not

1:18:03 ↗ particularly condensed.

1:18:06 ↗ I would the few times I drive through

1:18:08 ↗ there it's not the lights particularly

1:18:10 ↗ coming back down to look at that and I

1:18:13 ↗ seem actually one of the more welltimed

1:18:15 ↗ areas in spot as a citizen uh protecting

1:18:20 ↗ access to the I'm usually very

1:18:23 ↗ pedestrian above all else but you as

1:18:27 ↗ that west side that gets built up more

1:18:30 ↗ protecting the ability because that road

1:18:33 ↗ that you make a left on coming up

1:18:36 ↗ Highlands and making a left to the

1:18:38 ↗ hospital. Um that's kind of a narrow

1:18:41 ↗ road right now and so but they're

1:18:43 ↗ building a whole bunch more along there

1:18:47 ↗ just in general protecting access to the

1:18:49 ↗ hospital for ambulance people going for

1:18:52 ↗ the emergency room thing but the time I

1:18:55 ↗ think like cars do have to have early

1:18:57 ↗ access there.

1:18:59 ↗ >> Yeah, it's discovered drive.

1:19:01 ↗ >> Thank you. Bye.

1:19:04 ↗ Uh yeah, I was going to echo similar

1:19:06 ↗ comments and protect uh because I do

1:19:08 ↗ feel like it's going to be more

1:19:10 ↗ less trafficked areas um and like the

1:19:13 ↗ lights are more in sync usually. Um but

1:19:15 ↗ it could be a place where the technology

1:19:18 ↗ could just further um the improvements

1:19:21 ↗ there. Um especially if like you never

1:19:23 ↗ be coming down to work or coming up to,

1:19:26 ↗ you know, come back home. And so there's

1:19:27 ↗ certainly some possibilities to make it

1:19:29 ↗ even better, but in general, I guess the

1:19:31 ↗ more

1:19:33 ↗ better flow through area this

1:19:35 ↗ >> you want to protect that existence.

1:19:37 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:19:39 ↗ >> Uh one of the things that comes up in

1:19:42 ↗ some I guess squash strategy in the

1:19:44 ↗ community is uh fire evacuation and this

1:19:47 ↗ is one of the areas that's kind of

1:19:49 ↗ challenging. So it's a protect and a

1:19:51 ↗ create. Don't make the fire evacuation

1:19:54 ↗ worse, but also try to create a better

1:19:56 ↗ way to get people out of there if

1:19:59 ↗ there's a fire or an emergency.

1:20:05 ↗ >> Put down protect evacuation routes and

1:20:08 ↗ create better evacuation.

1:20:09 ↗ >> You got it.

1:20:11 ↗ I'll I'll note that I have seen traffic

1:20:14 ↗ which I think is related to the quarter

1:20:16 ↗ we looked at previously uh coming down

1:20:18 ↗ Highlands Drive and going on onto

1:20:21 ↗ Sunset.

1:20:23 ↗ Uh that is something that we would want

1:20:25 ↗ to

1:20:27 ↗ potentially optimize here at some of

1:20:29 ↗ that traffic identity leads to the

1:20:31 ↗ highway where there doesn't appear to be

1:20:32 ↗ at the throughput in time but provide a

1:20:35 ↗ bottleneck and was like it could flow

1:20:39 ↗ pretty freely there but sometimes backs

1:20:41 ↗ up behind traffic go

1:20:46 ↗ >> one area I will say you do come down um

1:20:49 ↗ I have seen some dangerous maneuvers if

1:20:51 ↗ you're waiting because you're I got to

1:20:53 ↗ go straight down to West. Um that uh on

1:20:57 ↗ rampant to go east on 90 will

1:20:59 ↗ occasionally get a little backed up and

1:21:00 ↗ then you have people just being like,

1:21:02 ↗ "Oh, I'm going to go on the shoulder

1:21:03 ↗ around them." Um I don't really know if

1:21:06 ↗ there's any way to do that. But that's

1:21:08 ↗ an issue. I will say um most cars are

1:21:11 ↗ going to go down some stuff, but if you

1:21:13 ↗ get uh at rush tower that turn on at 90,

1:21:18 ↗ but it backs up that single lane going

1:21:20 ↗ down to sunset even more. There's just a

1:21:22 ↗ lot of model like a lot involved with

1:21:24 ↗ sunset with a single lane road.

1:21:27 ↗ >> So potential prioritization left turning

1:21:30 ↗ on.

1:21:31 ↗ >> Yeah, something to make that easier so

1:21:32 ↗ that you're not waiting behind them as

1:21:34 ↗ well.

1:21:37 ↗ So

1:21:39 ↗ this isn't actually strictly related to

1:21:42 ↗ this region but it is related to

1:21:44 ↗ somebody fire evacuation. That made me

1:21:46 ↗ start thinking so this system is a lot

1:21:49 ↗ like the system that we're that or I was

1:21:52 ↗ thinking here is a lot more complicated

1:21:54 ↗ than the typical light system. I was

1:21:57 ↗ just wondering how that affects like

1:21:58 ↗ disaster preparedness and resiliency of

1:22:01 ↗ the transit system cuz for example

1:22:03 ↗ uh like like a couple years ago when we

1:22:06 ↗ had that huge windstorm it knocked out

1:22:08 ↗ power for like a full week and that

1:22:11 ↗ meant that a lot of the traffic signals

1:22:12 ↗ weren't working

1:22:13 ↗ >> and that made it really hard to get

1:22:16 ↗ around town. It's like

1:22:19 ↗ >> yeah um when everything was already the

1:22:22 ↗ road with the freeze on the road and

1:22:23 ↗ stuff and then also the traffic just so

1:22:25 ↗ much more. So, what I'm wondering is,

1:22:27 ↗ does this system make it harder to

1:22:30 ↗ revamp the system after there's a big

1:22:32 ↗ power outage? Does it not affect it at

1:22:33 ↗ all? Because that is a concern in this

1:22:35 ↗ region because we have gigantic power

1:22:37 ↗ outages once every couple years like

1:22:39 ↗ >> they're just going to get worse.

1:22:41 ↗ >> I mean, that's a really it's a really

1:22:44 ↗ good point and I know my colleague team

1:22:46 ↗ member Jim, you know, he talks about

1:22:48 ↗ making sure staff are able to

1:22:51 ↗ work with the system. So, our resets on

1:22:54 ↗ the system, getting it back up and

1:22:56 ↗ running can be a challenge.

1:22:59 ↗ It can also help a lot because if

1:23:01 ↗ there's if it can sense that there's

1:23:03 ↗ congestion somewhere that there normally

1:23:05 ↗ wouldn't be and direct people a

1:23:07 ↗ different way, maybe it could it could

1:23:09 ↗ help. But I think that really comes down

1:23:12 ↗ to making sure that you have staff to be

1:23:16 ↗ able to get it going again. And that's

1:23:19 ↗ not doesn't really happen on its own.

1:23:22 ↗ Yeah. Operation stuff

1:23:24 ↗ >> putting in the priorities just like

1:23:26 ↗ resiliency to natural disasters and

1:23:28 ↗ stuff like that as a priority for the

1:23:31 ↗ project in general I think is important

1:23:32 ↗ because you just be experiencing a lot

1:23:36 ↗ of that.

1:23:36 ↗ >> Yes.

1:23:42 ↗ >> Putting that under my notes on this one

1:23:45 ↗ under create resiliency to natural

1:23:47 ↗ disasters and then putting all four

1:23:51 ↗ I used to live in Montgomery town

1:23:53 ↗ beneath Maryland and they had a doubt of

1:23:56 ↗ signing technology there that I didn't

1:23:59 ↗ know existed until one day it wasn't

1:24:00 ↗ working with backups.

1:24:03 ↗ >> Yes.

1:24:06 ↗ >> Yeah. To your point like sometimes when

1:24:09 ↗ things aren't functioning it can get

1:24:10 ↗ worse because everybody got understood

1:24:12 ↗ things will get so much better.

1:24:14 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:24:15 ↗ >> And I don't know how to deal with that.

1:24:16 ↗ uh the database world uh people

1:24:19 ↗ deliberately slow down databases to the

1:24:21 ↗ worst performance just so it's evened

1:24:23 ↗ out and predictable. I don't think you

1:24:26 ↗ necessarily want to do that in this

1:24:27 ↗ case.

1:24:30 ↗ So, front and sunset everywhere.

1:24:33 ↗ >> Lower the expectations.

1:24:35 ↗ >> That's really now I

1:24:38 ↗ and Jim, if you want to come off mute

1:24:40 ↗ and say anything here, but I'll speak

1:24:42 ↗ I'll speak your the truth that you've

1:24:44 ↗ taught me. Anyway, having a switch and a

1:24:47 ↗ backup plan is one of like Jen's go-to

1:24:50 ↗ recommendation for any further adaptive

1:24:52 ↗ system because it does in a limited way

1:24:56 ↗ think for itself and sometimes does

1:24:59 ↗ things you don't want it to and people

1:25:01 ↗ can suddenly freak out when it's like,

1:25:03 ↗ "Oh my god, this is not what I'm used

1:25:05 ↗ to. and that my rout been messed up and

1:25:07 ↗ it can you want to be able to undo it

1:25:11 ↗ and go back to the normal operations and

1:25:13 ↗ then try to fix it in the background

1:25:14 ↗ without everyone sitting there screaming

1:25:16 ↗ at you for a week.

1:25:18 ↗ >> Yeah, we probably want to test the

1:25:20 ↗ backups as well because they

1:25:22 ↗ >> Yeah, I mean backup is what we have

1:25:23 ↗ today basically what it would go back

1:25:25 ↗ to, right?

1:25:26 ↗ >> Well, presumably maybe not.

1:25:28 ↗ >> Presumably. Yeah, exactly. If you don't

1:25:29 ↗ plan for that, then you don't.

1:25:35 ↗ I don't Oh, Jim's on camera. I don't

1:25:37 ↗ know if he's Give me a thumbs up, Jim,

1:25:40 ↗ if I did. Well,

1:25:42 ↗ >> yeah, that's good. I don't I don't have

1:25:43 ↗ a lot to add. I mean, the whole the

1:25:45 ↗ power outage question. There's not a

1:25:48 ↗ significant difference between having

1:25:50 ↗ the adaptive capability and a regular

1:25:53 ↗ signal system or more typical signal

1:25:56 ↗ system to when we're coming out of p a

1:25:59 ↗ power loss. Uh that's going to be pretty

1:26:02 ↗ similar. Chris pointed out the adaptive

1:26:05 ↗ systems are more complex and they are

1:26:08 ↗ dependent on good detection and

1:26:10 ↗ communications and so there there can be

1:26:13 ↗ an increased level of responsibility for

1:26:16 ↗ the folks maintaining and operating

1:26:18 ↗ these systems to keep and running. um

1:26:21 ↗ like Belleview staff somebody full-time

1:26:24 ↗ who's monitoring and that their adaptive

1:26:26 ↗ signal system and so that uh that's

1:26:30 ↗ probably the bigger issue to me than a a

1:26:33 ↗ power loss and coming out of it just the

1:26:34 ↗ ongoing operations and maintenance need.

1:26:43 ↗ Anything else to add on Highland's ninth

1:26:46 ↗ couplet? We have one more

1:26:49 ↗ order to talk about. We've already

1:26:51 ↗ talked about this one a little bit.

1:26:54 ↗ I pause to see if there was a Okay. Um

1:26:57 ↗ for Gilman talked about it a little bit

1:27:00 ↗ when we were talking about 900 I think

1:27:02 ↗ and some of the redevelopment that's

1:27:04 ↗ planned around the future transit

1:27:06 ↗ station and future future light rail

1:27:10 ↗ station. Um, but so maybe maybe we'll

1:27:14 ↗ hear a lot about what we want to create

1:27:16 ↗ because this feels like it's a part of

1:27:18 ↗ the city that's sort of about to

1:27:20 ↗ transition if not in transition. Um, but

1:27:24 ↗ let's start with protect what's out

1:27:25 ↗ there today.

1:27:28 ↗ Yeah, I think this goes into both

1:27:30 ↗ develop

1:27:34 ↗ um connecting the building for the cross

1:27:37 ↗ for the cross street

1:27:39 ↗ cross street crossings and cross street

1:27:41 ↗ going off to the arterial particularly

1:27:44 ↗ like the maple to

1:27:47 ↗ 900 section because I know in the city

1:27:50 ↗ plans there are plans to make more of a

1:27:53 ↗ grid pattern uh in the center center

1:27:56 ↗ central plan and so there's going to be

1:27:59 ↗ more roads coming onto more streets

1:28:03 ↗ coming onto Gilman and when you have the

1:28:06 ↗ light rail station coming in online you

1:28:08 ↗ know 40 point 45 line you're going to

1:28:11 ↗ have more background street which is

1:28:14 ↗ going west and some bikes and so

1:28:17 ↗ ensuring that um

1:28:20 ↗ it might be annoying to stop that lights

1:28:23 ↗ coming down Gilman after back after back

1:28:25 ↗ after back after back after back after

1:28:25 ↗ back after back after back after back

1:28:25 ↗ after back after for the Safeway area

1:28:26 ↗ but

1:28:29 ↗ to 900 but I think it is important to

1:28:32 ↗ preserve that ability for people to

1:28:37 ↗ go etc. So, uh, I think that's my bias

1:28:41 ↗ for for that

1:28:45 ↗ helpful.

1:28:48 ↗ We already talked about pedestrian

1:28:51 ↗ rollers, that kind of thing. Uh, but the

1:28:53 ↗ multimodal access that the trails

1:28:56 ↗ crossing that leg would protect

1:29:00 ↗ that

1:29:02 ↗ multimodal focus.

1:29:07 ↗ Uh N also talked earlier a little bit

1:29:09 ↗ about uh Domen and 17. There are a

1:29:13 ↗ couple of trails that go through there

1:29:14 ↗ that uh they I don't see them use

1:29:18 ↗ Cavalry, but it's like it's so

1:29:22 ↗ to me it's very intimidating not being a

1:29:24 ↗ car in that area just so way through

1:29:27 ↗ >> that one with the wooden bridge.

1:29:30 ↗ >> I walk my dog in a long loop around

1:29:32 ↗ there. You're physically protected from

1:29:35 ↗ 900, but it's not an enjoyable

1:29:37 ↗ experience to walk along there. Feel

1:29:39 ↗ like that bridge is best for biking.

1:29:42 ↗ >> Get out of there.

1:29:47 ↗ >> I think the bridge got destroyed by a

1:29:50 ↗ storm.

1:29:52 ↗ >> Yeah, it's been a while. And

1:29:53 ↗ >> yeah,

1:29:54 ↗ >> we've been communicating with washout

1:29:56 ↗ the importance of getting it fixed.

1:30:10 ↗ There's like a road and in the fall

1:30:12 ↗ they're all red. I just really like the

1:30:14 ↗ trees along Gilman. Uh I would be very

1:30:17 ↗ sad if anything happened to that. Like I

1:30:19 ↗ really enjoy the tree canopy that is

1:30:21 ↗ there considering it's an art trail.

1:30:24 ↗ >> Yeah. The edible trail.

1:30:26 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah. I used to walk my kids up to

1:30:28 ↗ juniper go

1:30:32 ↗ on Gilman tree there really nice

1:30:41 ↗ talked about the uh Eric just talked

1:30:45 ↗ about the um drive moving pretty well. I

1:30:48 ↗ think this is another area general

1:30:49 ↗ pretty well. Um,

1:30:52 ↗ so I don't I don't have a lot of trouble

1:30:55 ↗ like getting stuck in kind of anywhere

1:30:58 ↗ on Gilman getting on to Gilman from some

1:31:01 ↗ the edges of it that you got here on

1:31:03 ↗ front or 17 back in the shoe. Does it

1:31:07 ↗ move too well?

1:31:10 ↗ Like what does that mean? Well,

1:31:13 ↗ when I when I ask that specifically, I

1:31:15 ↗ mean we're hearing side street access.

1:31:19 ↗ So I like to think of things as sort of

1:31:21 ↗ a spectrum of access to mobility.

1:31:23 ↗ Mobility meaning I'm going through I'm

1:31:25 ↗ not stopping. Access being meaning I'm

1:31:26 ↗ going across or from that corridor to

1:31:29 ↗ things. So if the one is accessing the

1:31:34 ↗ land use along the priority mobility is

1:31:37 ↗ I'm passing through that's the priority.

1:31:40 ↗ Where do you think Gilman falls on that

1:31:42 ↗ on like a one to five?

1:31:43 ↗ >> I think it's a good balance.

1:31:44 ↗ >> You think it's good for that?

1:31:45 ↗ >> I think it's balanced well. Uh Cynthia

1:31:47 ↗ was talking about how from various

1:31:49 ↗ perspectives at the British crossing at

1:31:51 ↗ Jer and J and uh potentially there's

1:31:55 ↗ some issues that could be included. Uh

1:31:58 ↗ but as far as traffic is blood, I don't

1:32:01 ↗ think this is where the problems are

1:32:05 ↗ from from any of those perspectives.

1:32:07 ↗ That's just my opinion.

1:32:10 ↗ I think we're going to Erica next.

1:32:13 ↗ >> Thank you. I was going to pipe in and

1:32:15 ↗ say I'll largely echo Adam that this to

1:32:19 ↗ me seems similar as the last uh uh

1:32:23 ↗ corridor that we talked about where I

1:32:26 ↗ generally don't see too many traffic

1:32:28 ↗ issues when I've driven along this which

1:32:30 ↗ tends to be more towards the evening.

1:32:32 ↗ Um, and one thing I would like to

1:32:35 ↗ protect or preserve is the general flow

1:32:38 ↗ in the intersection past the uh, post

1:32:42 ↗ office where it connects to the

1:32:44 ↗ roundabout and under I90, which I know

1:32:46 ↗ is a, you know, maybe future plans there

1:32:50 ↗ or um, where light rail is cited can

1:32:52 ↗ affect that, but um, right now I've had

1:32:55 ↗ just really good uh, you know, auto

1:32:58 ↗ traffic flow experiences there. But

1:33:02 ↗ maybe I'm maybe I'm a one-off.

1:33:07 ↗ >> Homes.

1:33:08 ↗ >> Um, I would generally agree, but back to

1:33:10 ↗ like your spectrum, I would say probably

1:33:12 ↗ close to well in like the side streeter.

1:33:16 ↗ Um, or getting off of Gilman, whether

1:33:18 ↗ you're getting on 900 or Street. Um,

1:33:21 ↗ those are two bottleneck areas to either

1:33:24 ↗ right or left 900 and those trying to

1:33:26 ↗ get on to get from 900. Um, so yeah, I

1:33:30 ↗ think straight you're you're doing

1:33:32 ↗ probably too well and there could be a

1:33:34 ↗ better spectrum and you need a little

1:33:36 ↗ bit more choice with side streams.

1:33:41 ↗ >> I think

1:33:42 ↗ >> I was going to echo what you guys have

1:33:44 ↗ been saying but also uh add just one

1:33:47 ↗ other consideration when you just said

1:33:51 ↗ that uh three trails notwithstanding.

1:33:53 ↗ It's actually not the Gilman part of

1:33:54 ↗ that that's difficult. It's not when

1:33:56 ↗ you're flowing through on Gilman. It's

1:33:58 ↗ when you're on would that be

1:34:02 ↗ >> and there's just so much constraint

1:34:03 ↗ because you can't block the box there

1:34:06 ↗ and so so only two cars can be

1:34:08 ↗ >> it's a mess you're in that position

1:34:10 ↗ trying to get on. So it kind of echoes

1:34:12 ↗ this theme that seems to be developing a

1:34:15 ↗ big job teasing out which is that on and

1:34:18 ↗ off Gilden does move pretty well at the

1:34:20 ↗ beginning I think. Yeah. And so I just

1:34:22 ↗ wanted to add that getting on and off of

1:34:24 ↗ it at the three trails across from the

1:34:27 ↗ jam side is problematic

1:34:30 ↗ but further even at the three cross

1:34:36 ↗ I don't perceive that as such.

1:34:40 ↗ Yeah. And ultimately thing that means

1:34:43 ↗ making perhaps celestial but

1:34:48 ↗ material and making it more fluid uh in

1:34:51 ↗ the sense of like or more in terms of

1:34:54 ↗ you know getting one side to the other

1:34:58 ↗ getting

1:35:01 ↗ uh maple and then

1:35:04 ↗ again

1:35:05 ↗ >> into right. So like I think in the

1:35:08 ↗ future especially when it comes to San

1:35:10 ↗ Francisco all those movements will be

1:35:13 ↗ much more uh serious but much more uh

1:35:16 ↗ much more uh much more volume and so um

1:35:20 ↗ particular noniz so uh thanking that

1:35:24 ↗ ability and also creating uh that

1:35:27 ↗ ability is going to be our

1:35:32 ↗ >> um I was say this go back to your very

1:35:33 ↗ first question when we started which was

1:35:35 ↗ like what's your biggest pain point with

1:35:36 ↗ signal

1:35:37 ↗ is a paw. Um, and mine would be like

1:35:40 ↗ trying to turn onto a main thorough

1:35:42 ↗ player. Um, like Gilman, for example,

1:35:45 ↗ from the side streets. Um, and more so

1:35:48 ↗ from like I'm usually like the lights

1:35:50 ↗ just about to turn yellow or red and I'm

1:35:52 ↗ like, "No, there's still like two more

1:35:53 ↗ cars coming. Like, can you just let

1:35:56 ↗ I don't know if that's where this

1:35:58 ↗ technology might benefit." Um, you know,

1:36:00 ↗ being able to pick up there just like

1:36:02 ↗ let a couple more cars through and then

1:36:04 ↗ there's, you know, there's no one there.

1:36:06 ↗ But I'm I'm I go down with that maple a

1:36:09 ↗ lot where it's like a lot of censuring

1:36:11 ↗ which is just really great and timely

1:36:13 ↗ but it's also really quick where it's

1:36:15 ↗ like there's still occurs.

1:36:21 ↗ >> Um my experience on Gilman is one of the

1:36:24 ↗ few times and like not really but

1:36:26 ↗ sometimes I'm like I wish there were

1:36:27 ↗ more lights on this road. I really

1:36:29 ↗ struggle to make an un I'm very

1:36:32 ↗ riskaverse in general, but I I really

1:36:33 ↗ struggle to make any unprotected left

1:36:35 ↗ out of like there's a lot of shopping

1:36:37 ↗ and a lot of like medical center I come

1:36:40 ↗ out of a lot and traffic never seems to

1:36:43 ↗ stop both way ever though I just started

1:36:46 ↗ making a right going down the 900 on the

1:36:48 ↗ highway and coming back down again. Um

1:36:51 ↗ so I use a good word but like it it it's

1:36:54 ↗ hard to

1:36:56 ↗ the lanes never stop at the same time. I

1:36:58 ↗ can't make a lot of um I just created my

1:37:02 ↗ own that way, but that probably

1:37:05 ↗ >> I'm sure Wash loves to hear that you're

1:37:07 ↗ going to

1:37:14 ↗ have time.

1:37:15 ↗ >> Um so, uh that is a good point. Like the

1:37:20 ↗ side streets, the intersections kind of

1:37:22 ↗ flow well, but like anything without a

1:37:25 ↗ light

1:37:32 ↗ And we had a void on here. I feel like

1:37:34 ↗ we've got some things to avoid, but if

1:37:35 ↗ there's anything left that you wanted to

1:37:37 ↗ add

1:37:41 ↗ and if there were any other general

1:37:43 ↗ things that now that we've kind of gone

1:37:44 ↗ through the quarter side by side and you

1:37:46 ↗ wanted to talk about something, boy, we

1:37:49 ↗ this came up with 900 and didn't

1:37:54 ↗ >> just have a question about it in

1:37:55 ↗ general. Is this I'm going to assume no,

1:37:58 ↗ but it's like all or nothing. Like you

1:38:00 ↗ have to do this for like all the lights

1:38:03 ↗ on a corridor because they are talking

1:38:05 ↗ to each other in the video and stuff or

1:38:07 ↗ like would it like if you only had one

1:38:10 ↗ corridor but like not some others, is

1:38:12 ↗ that not taking full advantage of it cuz

1:38:16 ↗ they're not all talking to each other? I

1:38:18 ↗ don't I don't I'm not a technology

1:38:19 ↗ person, but how much in like how little

1:38:23 ↗ or how much would you have to do?

1:38:27 ↗ >> You would need to do enough signals that

1:38:30 ↗ are connected to each other to get a

1:38:32 ↗ benefit of adaptive. That could be the

1:38:36 ↗ entire for example Gilman corridor or

1:38:39 ↗ maybe half of the Gilman corridor. But I

1:38:42 ↗ I think right now there's not enough

1:38:44 ↗ city

1:38:45 ↗ not just

1:38:46 ↗ >> but like yeah if we were like you you do

1:38:48 ↗ need to get like to a point where there

1:38:51 ↗ is enough return on it but once you do

1:38:53 ↗ that you can expand. So there's not like

1:38:56 ↗ you need to do that first map do

1:38:58 ↗ adaptive on all of the arterial

1:39:01 ↗ corridors. And I think one of the things

1:39:03 ↗ that um Jim is actually helping me with

1:39:06 ↗ too is doing what we're calling a

1:39:07 ↗ corridor atlas to understand what's

1:39:09 ↗ going on on each of these corridors and

1:39:11 ↗ then prioritize the improvements

1:39:13 ↗ depending on where it could have the

1:39:16 ↗ most benefit.

1:39:17 ↗ >> Right.

1:39:18 ↗ >> Yep.

1:39:23 ↗ >> Cool. Do you want to talk about the next

1:39:26 ↗ steps back to you? Okay.

1:39:28 ↗ >> All right. Well, thank you guys. That

1:39:30 ↗ was a really good discussion. Um so just

1:39:32 ↗ want to go through next steps for us. Um

1:39:34 ↗ we plan to come back in April to discuss

1:39:37 ↗ with you once we've done you've absorbed

1:39:39 ↗ all this information. We're going to get

1:39:41 ↗ some existing conditions information

1:39:44 ↗ data collection. Um and then our goal in

1:39:47 ↗ the next um touch point with you really

1:39:49 ↗ is to kind of finalize our performance

1:39:51 ↗ metrics and our goals for the study that

1:39:53 ↗ we move forward with. So we'd have a

1:39:56 ↗ little more data, a little more

1:39:57 ↗ information to go over with you in that

1:39:59 ↗ meeting and then we would take that um

1:40:02 ↗ in June to the mobility and

1:40:04 ↗ infrastructure

1:40:05 ↗ that finalize our performance objectives

1:40:08 ↗ and goals so that we can actually start

1:40:11 ↗ the full study after that.

1:40:18 ↗ >> Awesome.

1:40:19 ↗ >> All right. Well, I still have to go. I

1:40:21 ↗ think this was great uh discussion.

1:40:23 ↗ Hopefully you got a lot out of this.

1:40:24 ↗ >> I did. Thank you.

1:40:26 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:40:26 ↗ >> And I'll stick around until after the

1:40:28 ↗ meeting.

1:40:30 ↗ >> Wasn't too comfortable.

1:40:38 ↗ >> See all the creativity.

1:40:41 ↗ Uh uh so we'll move on to our next item

1:40:44 ↗ on business

1:40:46 ↗ uh which is the board work plan. Uh so

1:40:49 ↗ the next item is to introduce and

1:40:50 ↗ discuss the 2026 board work plan. uh

1:40:54 ↗ Thomas Belterz, senior transportation

1:40:56 ↗ planner and board leaison which will be

1:41:00 ↗ uh take us through the first item. We'll

1:41:03 ↗ come back and take us through the

1:41:04 ↗ boardwork plan.

1:41:06 ↗ >> Great. Well, yeah, thanks again.

1:41:07 ↗ Appreciate it. Uh this should be a

1:41:09 ↗ fairly quick conversation, but do just

1:41:12 ↗ want to know if you support this

1:41:15 ↗ proposed work plan as presented or if

1:41:17 ↗ you have any questions or follow-ups I

1:41:19 ↗ could answer. Would love to answer that

1:41:21 ↗ now.

1:41:22 ↗ um do this every year. Uh come view in

1:41:26 ↗ January and then in March we adopt it um

1:41:30 ↗ here. Uh between that uh we also take

1:41:33 ↗ this to council. So I'll be working with

1:41:35 ↗ Erica and Adam um just to go to a

1:41:40 ↗ council meeting, talk about the proposed

1:41:41 ↗ work plan and um just kind of get their

1:41:44 ↗ their feedback on it. Um so just very

1:41:48 ↗ generally uh there's some administrative

1:41:50 ↗ things. So again, work plan like I just

1:41:52 ↗ talked about. Um many of you will

1:41:55 ↗ remember we did a parliamentary

1:41:57 ↗ procedure training. Um we had Tisha uh

1:42:00 ↗ come here and we did like an interactive

1:42:02 ↗ activity that I thought was uh pretty

1:42:05 ↗ fun. Um and then we do election of

1:42:08 ↗ officers and you'll recall uh we changed

1:42:11 ↗ the uh the board uh rules and

1:42:15 ↗ procedures. So we're now doing a

1:42:16 ↗ September uh election. So that's kind of

1:42:20 ↗ shown here.

1:42:23 ↗ And the more substantive things, we have

1:42:26 ↗ a general work plan. Uh so I can just

1:42:29 ↗ kind of walk through all of these one by

1:42:31 ↗ one. So the tip, we touched on that

1:42:34 ↗ today. Um then in March, we'll come back

1:42:37 ↗ with the draft. We'll really get into

1:42:38 ↗ the weeds on that.

1:42:41 ↗ There's the adaptive uh signal control,

1:42:44 ↗ which uh was just mentioned. And then uh

1:42:46 ↗ coming back in April

1:42:49 ↗ um there's going to be a discussion next

1:42:51 ↗ month on microransit services. Um so

1:42:54 ↗ talking about the overview of metrlex

1:42:57 ↗ service that we currently have and

1:42:59 ↗ discussing uh any potential performance

1:43:01 ↗ targets and looking at some service

1:43:04 ↗ provider alternatives.

1:43:08 ↗ Um Stacy is going to come back to talk

1:43:11 ↗ about the IAP. Um you'll recall we uh

1:43:14 ↗ discussed this um I think it was October

1:43:17 ↗ uh of last year. So coming back with a

1:43:20 ↗ followup. I'm just kind of talking about

1:43:22 ↗ those proposed updates.

1:43:26 ↗ This year there's going to be a lot of

1:43:27 ↗ discussion on light rail. Um so uh

1:43:31 ↗ tonight we'll have a little uh quick uh

1:43:34 ↗ update on where we're at with that. Um

1:43:38 ↗ but yeah, we're just going to come back.

1:43:40 ↗ Uh I I guess the most uh you know the

1:43:42 ↗ biggest deliverable uh in our light rail

1:43:45 ↗ study uh will be the evaluation criteria

1:43:47 ↗ feedback. Uh that's kind of like the the

1:43:49 ↗ nearest one. Um and then we'll sort of

1:43:51 ↗ dig into some alternatives that we're

1:43:53 ↗ thinking about. Um and we're uh kind of

1:43:57 ↗ looking at Q2 Q3 for those discussions.

1:44:03 ↗ the community trip production program.

1:44:05 ↗ Uh we're going to be uh taking a look at

1:44:07 ↗ that in September to November. Um

1:44:10 ↗ community trip production is essentially

1:44:13 ↗ for our larger employers in town uh with

1:44:16 ↗ more than 100 employees. Uh they're

1:44:18 ↗ supposed to provide incentives to not

1:44:21 ↗ drive themselves uh for the employees.

1:44:23 ↗ So, uh, some some people, uh, maybe in

1:44:27 ↗ this room have employer paid transit

1:44:30 ↗ cards as part of that program. Uh,

1:44:33 ↗ sometimes there's free parking provided

1:44:36 ↗ through your employer. Those are kind of

1:44:38 ↗ like two ends of the spectrum of like

1:44:39 ↗ things that are provided through a large

1:44:42 ↗ employer. So, uh, we have a CTR program.

1:44:44 ↗ It's, uh, per state law that we have

1:44:47 ↗ one. Um, city of Visqua has over a

1:44:50 ↗ hundred employees. there's like five or

1:44:53 ↗ 600 I'll say. Uh it's it's something

1:44:55 ↗ very large. Uh but we are also under a

1:44:58 ↗ commute trip uh reduction program within

1:45:00 ↗ the city. So kind of meta on that. Um

1:45:03 ↗ but September, November is when that

1:45:04 ↗ will be discussed.

1:45:06 ↗ >> Great question.

1:45:07 ↗ >> Yes.

1:45:08 ↗ >> Uh do high school students tax

1:45:10 ↗ employees?

1:45:11 ↗ >> No. Okay.

1:45:12 ↗ >> I I think that's a little

1:45:15 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah. So we do have some like

1:45:17 ↗ part-time folks. I'm not sure that

1:45:19 ↗ they're uh I don't think part- timerrs

1:45:23 ↗ get CTR benefits. Yeah,

1:45:25 ↗ >> full time employees.

1:45:31 ↗ >> See what you're saying. Okay.

1:45:33 ↗ >> The school district has its own program

1:45:35 ↗ for students and trying to encourage car

1:45:37 ↗ pooling and everything there. So, we do

1:45:40 ↗ work with him on that, but the CTR law

1:45:42 ↗ through the state just focuses on

1:45:43 ↗ employees,

1:45:44 ↗ >> right?

1:45:44 ↗ >> And so far, the students aren't paid,

1:45:46 ↗ but we'll see what the future holds.

1:45:51 ↗ Um something I'm pretty excited about is

1:45:54 ↗ talking about trail standards. So we'll

1:45:56 ↗ give a brief introduction and then we'll

1:45:58 ↗ discuss um some proposed updates to city

1:46:01 ↗ trail standards. Um right now we have so

1:46:04 ↗ many different trail standards and we're

1:46:05 ↗ hoping to consolidate into a short list

1:46:09 ↗ um maybe a handful. So um more to come

1:46:11 ↗ on that but that's going to be a

1:46:13 ↗ interesting topic.

1:46:15 ↗ um the mobility action plan that we uh

1:46:18 ↗ many of us have worked on. Uh we're

1:46:21 ↗ going to start uh having a report card.

1:46:24 ↗ I'm hoping to uh bring that in October.

1:46:27 ↗ Um it's just going to be like kind of a

1:46:28 ↗ a short list to kind of see how we're

1:46:31 ↗ doing in achieving the mobility action

1:46:33 ↗ plan and um that can lead to some other

1:46:36 ↗ discussions on how we want to kind of

1:46:38 ↗ move forward from that.

1:46:41 ↗ Um, we also have a traffic calming

1:46:43 ↗ program. Uh, in the mobility action

1:46:45 ↗ plan, it calls for a bianual traffic

1:46:48 ↗ calming program report. So, that will

1:46:50 ↗ come in November. We'll just kind of

1:46:52 ↗ report out on over the last two years

1:46:54 ↗ how the traffic calming program has

1:46:57 ↗ done.

1:47:00 ↗ So, um, I can maybe go back to this

1:47:03 ↗ larger list here. Just wanted to know if

1:47:05 ↗ you had any questions. It looks like

1:47:08 ↗ Erica has a question from there.

1:47:12 ↗ >> Thanks. Um for the traffic calming

1:47:14 ↗ program is that like we're discussing

1:47:16 ↗ our like over the last year about we've

1:47:19 ↗ um made the suggestions for really

1:47:22 ↗ overhauling um you know the original I

1:47:25 ↗ think like 2003 system is kind of what

1:47:28 ↗ uh things were set to like. Is that the

1:47:31 ↗ flavor of that discussion?

1:47:34 ↗ be an update on implementing the new

1:47:36 ↗ policy that council adopted in November

1:47:39 ↗ of 2024.

1:47:42 ↗ >> Okay, perfect.

1:47:45 ↗ >> Based on CAP's feedback, I should add

1:47:49 ↗ this policy.

1:47:52 ↗ >> Great. We have any other questions on

1:47:54 ↗ work plan?

1:47:56 ↗ >> Okay, let's move on then.

1:47:58 ↗ >> I'll just I'll just say next steps. Uh

1:48:00 ↗ yeah, I will be working with Erica and

1:48:02 ↗ Adam. We'll take this to council uh in

1:48:04 ↗ March. So, I'll just kind of coordinate

1:48:06 ↗ with you offline. Um see which which

1:48:09 ↗ meeting works. Um but yeah, we'll

1:48:12 ↗ >> Yeah, it'll bring this back to you guys.

1:48:16 ↗ >> We're going back to you guys. Our next

1:48:18 ↗ item was this is reports uh saying we

1:48:21 ↗ have a staff.

1:48:23 ↗ >> I do. Yeah. So, there's uh I would say

1:48:26 ↗ maybe four topics we want to cover. Um

1:48:29 ↗ first off, wanted to give a shout out to

1:48:31 ↗ Jillian

1:48:32 ↗ Uh don't mean to put you on the spot,

1:48:34 ↗ but uh

1:48:36 ↗ >> do order.

1:48:38 ↗ >> Okay. Yeah. Well, um we we'll circle

1:48:40 ↗ back to that then. Uh I'll just say that

1:48:43 ↗ uh TAB is actively recruiting for new

1:48:45 ↗ members. Uh so in this next round, we

1:48:48 ↗ will need uh two regular positions

1:48:51 ↗ filled and two alternates. Um,

1:48:54 ↗ applications are due February 15th at

1:48:58 ↗ 11:59

1:48:59 ↗ p.m. Um, so please uh please do uh apply

1:49:05 ↗ and like if you're I guess uh Ally, your

1:49:08 ↗ your term is uh coming to an end. So you

1:49:11 ↗ have a one-year term. So we would uh

1:49:14 ↗ encourage you to apply again if you're

1:49:15 ↗ interested. Um and then any other folks

1:49:18 ↗ that are interested um would love for uh

1:49:21 ↗ you to like spread the knowledge that

1:49:24 ↗ this exists. Uh we are actively uh

1:49:26 ↗ recruiting but would love to like kind

1:49:28 ↗ of make this as grassroots as possible.

1:49:31 ↗ Um yeah, I'll save uh discussion with

1:49:34 ↗ Jillian after that. Um last week uh it

1:49:39 ↗ was announced that the line two will be

1:49:42 ↗ opening uh March 28th. Uh that was very

1:49:46 ↗ exciting. I was actually at the press

1:49:47 ↗ conference uh in Seattle. It was very

1:49:49 ↗ fun. Uh good energy. Um so just wanted

1:49:52 ↗ to and in case you haven't heard, it's

1:49:55 ↗ all over the news, but in case you

1:49:56 ↗ haven't heard, um that will be on March

1:49:58 ↗ 28th. Um and then yeah, I will uh kick

1:50:03 ↗ it over to Andrea uh to provide an

1:50:05 ↗ update on light rail planning in a

1:50:08 ↗ squad.

1:50:09 ↗ >> Great. Thank you, Thomas. Hi everybody.

1:50:11 ↗ If we haven't met, I'm Andrea Leonard.

1:50:13 ↗ I'm the deputy city administrator and in

1:50:16 ↗ charge of infrastructure and

1:50:18 ↗ transportation for the city and I wanted

1:50:21 ↗ to run over uh some upcoming things just

1:50:24 ↗ to make sure that you are aware and can

1:50:27 ↗ um weigh in. So on February 29th we are

1:50:30 ↗ having a special meeting with city

1:50:32 ↗ council covering transportation topics

1:50:35 ↗ only. Among them is the pavement

1:50:37 ↗ condition index. So, our streets

1:50:40 ↗ operations manager will be talking about

1:50:43 ↗ what is the condition of our streets. We

1:50:46 ↗ regularly do an inventory and see, you

1:50:49 ↗ know, for example, are there lots of

1:50:51 ↗ cracks, potholes, what's the condition?

1:50:53 ↗ Use that data to help us figure out our

1:50:55 ↗ maintenance plans moving forward. Um, as

1:50:58 ↗ part of that presentation, there's going

1:51:00 ↗ to be a discussion on uh pavement

1:51:03 ↗ maintenance

1:51:05 ↗ um techniques.

1:51:07 ↗ And so, um, we have for the past couple

1:51:10 ↗ of years been piloting some new tech

1:51:12 ↗ techniques that we haven't done before

1:51:14 ↗ to extend the life of the roadway.

1:51:16 ↗ Things like crack seal. You're probably

1:51:18 ↗ seeing more of that around town than you

1:51:19 ↗ used to. Um, other types of seals. And

1:51:24 ↗ so, we've gotten some feedback from the

1:51:26 ↗ public. Uh, not a ton, but some feedback

1:51:29 ↗ on these different techniques. So, we

1:51:31 ↗ want to talk with council about uh those

1:51:33 ↗ techniques moving forward. Can we um

1:51:36 ↗ continue to use those because uh some of

1:51:38 ↗ these techniques are more cost effective

1:51:41 ↗ than what we had traditionally done to

1:51:43 ↗ extend the life of the roadway. So

1:51:46 ↗ that's what the discussion with council

1:51:47 ↗ will be um on pavements on February 9th.

1:51:51 ↗ We'll also have a discussion on

1:51:52 ↗ Metroflex. So this group, this advisory

1:51:55 ↗ board many years ago really considered

1:51:57 ↗ all of our options for Metroflex, our

1:52:00 ↗ microransit program in the city. We um

1:52:04 ↗ had a two-year pilot program for that.

1:52:07 ↗ That two-year pilot came to an end at

1:52:09 ↗ the end of last year. Council decided to

1:52:11 ↗ renew it for another two years and um

1:52:14 ↗ continue to help subsidize that service,

1:52:17 ↗ but they wanted to have another

1:52:18 ↗ conversation about what are those

1:52:20 ↗ success markers. We have established

1:52:23 ↗ goals for the program. We have metrics

1:52:26 ↗ that we're using. Um but there are they

1:52:29 ↗ raised a concern last fall about the

1:52:32 ↗ cost per ride. And so while we're

1:52:34 ↗ hitting some of our uh uh shared ride

1:52:38 ↗ and uh so SOV trip reduction goals,

1:52:41 ↗ we're hitting uh some of our equity

1:52:43 ↗ goals and making progress on lots of

1:52:45 ↗ things. The cost per ride between King

1:52:47 ↗ County Metro and the city together is

1:52:50 ↗ about 40 bucks per ride.

1:52:53 ↗ And so and so um even though we're

1:52:57 ↗ hitting all these other goals uh the

1:52:59 ↗ question is is that a cost we want to

1:53:02 ↗ bear is there are there ways to reduce

1:53:05 ↗ that cost per ride. As part of that

1:53:07 ↗ conversation we have changed the service

1:53:09 ↗ area. We worked with King County Metro

1:53:11 ↗ to change the service area to try to

1:53:13 ↗ pick up a few more riders. So Metroflex

1:53:16 ↗ uh starting next month will no longer

1:53:18 ↗ serve a port the large majority of

1:53:21 ↗ Squawk Mountain as it was and instead um

1:53:24 ↗ we're adding on uh Isiqua Highlands up

1:53:27 ↗ to Blakeley Hall. And so we think that

1:53:30 ↗ um that will pick up more riders and

1:53:31 ↗ change that cost per ride metric.

1:53:35 ↗ In the meanwhile, we want to have a

1:53:36 ↗ conversation and our council wants to

1:53:37 ↗ have a conversation about um Metrolex.

1:53:40 ↗ What is what is that success marker? how

1:53:42 ↗ do we prioritize among those goals that

1:53:45 ↗ this group helped establish and also

1:53:48 ↗ look at um by way of facilitating that

1:53:51 ↗ conversation look at some options. So

1:53:54 ↗ this advisory board looked at other

1:53:56 ↗ options including the possibility of um

1:53:59 ↗ going private and maybe doing a

1:54:01 ↗ partnership with Uber or a similar

1:54:03 ↗ service as Uber. Maybe there's other

1:54:05 ↗ providers. For example, Circuit provides

1:54:08 ↗ uh the Bellhop in Belleview. are there

1:54:11 ↗ um other providers we can look at? So,

1:54:13 ↗ we're packaging all that information for

1:54:15 ↗ council consideration among the next

1:54:17 ↗ steps that I'm proposing to council is

1:54:20 ↗ just to get initial feedback on where

1:54:22 ↗ they'd like us to head and then come

1:54:24 ↗ back to this advisory board to be able

1:54:26 ↗ so that you guys can roll up your

1:54:28 ↗ sleeves and really dig into this

1:54:29 ↗ information and help provide the advice

1:54:32 ↗ uh that you provide to council. So,

1:54:34 ↗ we're making a stop at council first

1:54:36 ↗ just to see what kind of discussion they

1:54:38 ↗ want to have for the rest of the year.

1:54:39 ↗ Um and then I I'm going to propose

1:54:41 ↗ coming back to this board for a more

1:54:42 ↗ detailed discussion with you all.

1:54:45 ↗ Um then uh we have a discussion uh that

1:54:50 ↗ council would like to have on the

1:54:51 ↗ transportation benefit district. So as

1:54:54 ↗ you may know the transportation benefit

1:54:56 ↗ district is a special sales tax

1:54:58 ↗ district. Uh we passed a a tenth of a

1:55:01 ↗ percent sales tax just for

1:55:03 ↗ transportation spending only. Um so

1:55:06 ↗ can't use that money to spend on

1:55:08 ↗ anything else. just transportation

1:55:11 ↗ and we passed that a couple of years

1:55:13 ↗ ago. So there were some things we talked

1:55:15 ↗ about uh at the time on how we wanted to

1:55:17 ↗ spend those funds. One was um uh IT

1:55:21 ↗ projects, intelligent transportation

1:55:23 ↗ systems, some of the smart signal stuff

1:55:24 ↗ that Marina talked about earlier today,

1:55:26 ↗ plus many more things. Um, we also

1:55:29 ↗ talked about using some of that funding

1:55:31 ↗ to help fund uh, Pinch Point or

1:55:33 ↗ Northwest Semeish non-motorized

1:55:35 ↗ improvements. And, um, also in the fall,

1:55:39 ↗ council decided to use some of those

1:55:41 ↗ extra funds left over to help fund

1:55:43 ↗ Metroflex. And they also said, you know,

1:55:45 ↗ let's talk about this a little bit more

1:55:48 ↗ strategically and figure out, is this

1:55:50 ↗ really where we want to be spending

1:55:51 ↗ those transportation benefit district

1:55:53 ↗ funds now and in the future? Are there

1:55:55 ↗ other ideas that we have? So, that's

1:55:57 ↗ really what that conversation is like

1:55:59 ↗ and that's going to help shape up some

1:56:00 ↗ of our approach to the tip um that we

1:56:04 ↗ are updating this year as we update that

1:56:06 ↗ every year. So, we're going to use some

1:56:08 ↗ of that guidance from council to look at

1:56:10 ↗ how do we want to spend that that

1:56:11 ↗ funding moving forward. Mayor Mullet

1:56:13 ↗ also has a few proposals that we're

1:56:15 ↗ going to go over with council. So, those

1:56:16 ↗ are some of the things coming up on

1:56:18 ↗ February 9th. I also wanted to talk

1:56:20 ↗ about Isiqua light rail and what we're

1:56:22 ↗ doing right now with Sound Transit. So,

1:56:25 ↗ um, Isiqua is slated to have our own

1:56:28 ↗ light rail station in 2044.

1:56:30 ↗ Uh, Thomas, as I think you know, is

1:56:32 ↗ working on a station alignment, uh,

1:56:35 ↗ study right now to figure out where

1:56:36 ↗ those future where a best spot is for

1:56:39 ↗ that future light rail station. So,

1:56:41 ↗ we've been doing a lot of the planning

1:56:42 ↗ work to march towards uh, that light

1:56:45 ↗ rail station and prepare for it. There's

1:56:46 ↗ one problem as you know Sound Transit is

1:56:49 ↗ having significant budget woes and is

1:56:51 ↗ trying to figure out how they can um

1:56:55 ↗ still implement ST3 but in a

1:56:58 ↗ cost-effective way. One of the things

1:57:00 ↗ that we're very concerned about is uh

1:57:03 ↗ they may decide to not build an isiqua

1:57:05 ↗ light rail station. They may decide

1:57:08 ↗ instead to cut all of it and put in BRT

1:57:10 ↗ for Isiqua instead or perhaps even do

1:57:13 ↗ nothing. And so our stance is pretty

1:57:16 ↗ bullish on this. We um believe that

1:57:18 ↗ light rail is continues to be a high

1:57:21 ↗ priority for Isiqua. We've been planning

1:57:23 ↗ around it for a long time. Um Isiqua

1:57:27 ↗ voted in favor for Sound Transit 3. Back

1:57:30 ↗ in 2016, Isiquans have been paying these

1:57:34 ↗ taxes and car tab fees for 10 years.

1:57:36 ↗ We're going to be paying them for

1:57:38 ↗ another 20 uh plus years for ST3. So,

1:57:42 ↗ um, we want to make good on that

1:57:44 ↗ investment and, um, and putting in BRT,

1:57:48 ↗ you know, that service looks very

1:57:50 ↗ similar to what the 554 was pre-

1:57:53 ↗ pandemic, 12minute headways, a bus along

1:57:56 ↗ I90 corridor. Then we had a one seat

1:57:58 ↗ ride to Seattle. We're not going to have

1:58:00 ↗ that in the future. So, for isans to be

1:58:02 ↗ taxed extra to receive what really is a

1:58:05 ↗ reduction in service moving forward with

1:58:07 ↗ the BRT is not something we're willing

1:58:09 ↗ to accept. And um again, Mayor Mullet is

1:58:12 ↗ providing a lot of leadership on this as

1:58:14 ↗ well and feels very strongly. And so we

1:58:17 ↗ are working very diligently, Thomas and

1:58:19 ↗ I and many others at the city at um

1:58:22 ↗ trying to have a campaign to save

1:58:25 ↗ Isiquaz light rail station. And in that,

1:58:29 ↗ please mark your calendars. I'm going to

1:58:31 ↗ put a hold on your calendars. We would

1:58:32 ↗ love for you all to attend on February

1:58:34 ↗ 24th. Let me get the time down.

1:58:39 ↗ We would like to have a uh rally

1:58:43 ↗ starting at 5:30. We think 5:30 to 6:30.

1:58:47 ↗ A rally to save Isiqua light rail. And

1:58:50 ↗ what we want to do is certainly invite

1:58:53 ↗ all of you and all of our other partners

1:58:57 ↗ and people interested and supporters of

1:58:59 ↗ transit in Isiqua to rally together and

1:59:02 ↗ learn more about where current status is

1:59:04 ↗ with the light rail station and the

1:59:06 ↗ light rail alignment to from Bellev to

1:59:08 ↗ Isiqua. Um what the city is planning on

1:59:11 ↗ doing about that and we're going to be

1:59:13 ↗ asking for some good oldfashioned

1:59:15 ↗ grassroots support. So that means we

1:59:18 ↗ want people to write letters and emails

1:59:20 ↗ to the Sound Transit board in support of

1:59:22 ↗ transit and specifically our light rail

1:59:25 ↗ station and maintaining that. Um we're

1:59:27 ↗ also going to be asking folks to um come

1:59:30 ↗ down and attend the Sound Transit board

1:59:32 ↗ meetings and support light rail. We

1:59:35 ↗ we're looking at what kind of swag we

1:59:38 ↗ can have so we can be visible to those

1:59:39 ↗ Sound Transit board members, providing

1:59:42 ↗ public comment, all of that because

1:59:44 ↗ we're going to need everyone's support

1:59:46 ↗ in order to keep this light rail

1:59:47 ↗ station. We're also working with our

1:59:50 ↗ employers. Uh, Mayor Mullet has been

1:59:52 ↗ going around to several of the bigger

1:59:54 ↗ businesses in Isiqua, obviously,

1:59:56 ↗ including Costco, but also along the I90

1:59:58 ↗ corridor just beyond our borders because

2:00:01 ↗ we have a lot of employees going to

2:00:02 ↗ those major employers um in Belleview

2:00:05 ↗ and um and a lot of uh a lot of jobs

2:00:10 ↗ also in Isiqua that residents are coming

2:00:11 ↗ from all over. So, this this light rail

2:00:14 ↗ station is key for future job growth in

2:00:16 ↗ the region. Um, and so we're getting

2:00:18 ↗ support from our major employers and

2:00:20 ↗ property owners and developers for that.

2:00:23 ↗ Um, and so we just we need your help.

2:00:26 ↗ And so, uh, what I'm asking from this

2:00:29 ↗ group is any help that you can provide

2:00:32 ↗ in again writing personal emails to the

2:00:34 ↗ Sound Transit Board and helping show up

2:00:37 ↗ and informing your neighbors. Um Thomas

2:00:40 ↗ is going to be the keeper of our uh list

2:00:44 ↗ of interested folks who wants who want

2:00:46 ↗ to help. So we can send kind of email

2:00:48 ↗ blasts of hey there's a meeting next

2:00:50 ↗ week. Can you show up? Can you help

2:00:51 ↗ write emails? That kind of a thing. So

2:00:53 ↗ we'd love if there's other people that

2:00:55 ↗ you know um should be on this list of of

2:00:59 ↗ interested folks then uh please send

2:01:01 ↗ those suggestions Thomas's way. We're

2:01:04 ↗ going to be putting together that list

2:01:06 ↗ certainly next week, but ongoing through

2:01:08 ↗ this campaign. Um the rally on February

2:01:12 ↗ 24th is to help galvanize some of this

2:01:15 ↗ local support in Isiqua, including some

2:01:17 ↗ other regional uh stakeholders like

2:01:20 ↗ Transportation Choices Coalition and

2:01:22 ↗ others. Um and uh this is all gearing up

2:01:26 ↗ for a board retreat that is happening in

2:01:28 ↗ March, mid-March. It hasn't been

2:01:30 ↗ scheduled yet. We don't know exactly

2:01:31 ↗ when it's going to occur. we know it

2:01:33 ↗ might be around mid-March. So, um that's

2:01:36 ↗ kind of what we're gearing up for. And

2:01:37 ↗ there's going to be another board

2:01:38 ↗ retreat in June. So, right now we're

2:01:40 ↗ kind of um you're going to see a lot

2:01:42 ↗ more in the news and in local blogs and

2:01:45 ↗ other places about our proposal and how

2:01:47 ↗ we want to um keep our light rail

2:01:49 ↗ station and how we want to partner with

2:01:50 ↗ Sound Transit in order to do that. But

2:01:52 ↗ we really really need uh a lot of the

2:01:55 ↗ community to show up and support this

2:01:57 ↗ and make sure that Sound Transit keeps

2:01:59 ↗ their promises um that they made to you

2:02:02 ↗ all as voters in ST3.

2:02:05 ↗ Any questions?

2:02:09 ↗ Uh how much do you have in in support of

2:02:13 ↗ this message around cost effective

2:02:16 ↗ building in versus other places that uh

2:02:19 ↗ you know essentially we're competing for

2:02:20 ↗ dollars that are limited?

2:02:23 ↗ >> We are

2:02:26 ↗ >> we are

2:02:27 ↗ >> to support our

2:02:29 ↗ >> Yeah, it's a good question. Um, so you

2:02:33 ↗ know, what was originally in the ST3

2:02:35 ↗ package was what's called the Ski Link,

2:02:38 ↗ South Kirkland, Isiqua Light Rail. Um,

2:02:41 ↗ it's unclear at this point how um how

2:02:47 ↗ committed Kirkland is to their segment

2:02:50 ↗ of the line. And so it's possible that

2:02:53 ↗ Kirkland is very happy with bus rapid

2:02:55 ↗ transit and maybe is willing to just let

2:02:59 ↗ their light rail line go. Um that's kind

2:03:02 ↗ of early indicators what we've heard

2:03:04 ↗ from Kirkland so far. And if that's the

2:03:07 ↗ case then u maybe that frees up some

2:03:10 ↗ dollars for Isiqua. The other thing that

2:03:12 ↗ you should be aware of and that we're

2:03:14 ↗ talking with u many regionally about is

2:03:16 ↗ the principle of sub area equity which

2:03:19 ↗ is uh governs sound transit's

2:03:22 ↗ investments and something that's up for

2:03:23 ↗ discussion for them. Sub area equity

2:03:26 ↗ basically is that um where we collect

2:03:30 ↗ tax dollars from to fund Sound Transit

2:03:32 ↗ will also receive benefits of their tax

2:03:34 ↗ dollars. So, uh, at this point they have

2:03:38 ↗ to make investments in the east side

2:03:41 ↗ because they've been taxing us for

2:03:42 ↗ years, but what those investments are is

2:03:45 ↗ up for debate. So, again, they may feel

2:03:48 ↗ like, well, maybe BRT satisfies that um,

2:03:53 ↗ sub area equity policy. Um, we would

2:03:56 ↗ maintain it does not. And so, what we're

2:03:58 ↗ trying to do is take a different

2:04:00 ↗ approach from, let's say, Seattle.

2:04:03 ↗ Seattle has been saying, "We need more.

2:04:07 ↗ We need more." And trying to get more

2:04:09 ↗ and more of Sound Transit's dollars.

2:04:11 ↗ Well, Isiqua is saying, "We want to

2:04:14 ↗ partner with you and reduce your costs

2:04:16 ↗ and make this easier." And so, um, we

2:04:19 ↗ want to be able to help Sound Transit

2:04:21 ↗ have a really easy win here um to make

2:04:24 ↗ it uh to make it appealing and help keep

2:04:27 ↗ their promises to voters where Seattle

2:04:29 ↗ is just wanting to take more and more

2:04:32 ↗ essentially. So, we think we have a

2:04:33 ↗ different approach that's going to be

2:04:34 ↗ appealing to the Sound Transit board.

2:04:36 ↗ Um, and uh, and so that's how we're

2:04:40 ↗ hoping to maintain a competitive edge,

2:04:42 ↗ but we do need we we do need to make

2:04:45 ↗ some noise in a Saka to make sure

2:04:47 ↗ they're aware that we want this and

2:04:49 ↗ we're going to hold them accountable to

2:04:50 ↗ the promises they made to us.

2:04:52 ↗ >> I think you can glad you haven't shared

2:04:54 ↗ that our comments. That would be very

2:04:57 ↗ helpful.

2:04:57 ↗ >> Love that. We are working on that. So,

2:04:59 ↗ we're gonna we're putting together some

2:05:01 ↗ email templates for folks to kind of

2:05:03 ↗ choose from to be able to send out and

2:05:05 ↗ you can, you know, it's a starting

2:05:06 ↗ point. You can send it as is or you can

2:05:08 ↗ doctor it up and make it more of your

2:05:09 ↗ own. Um, and we'll be coming out with

2:05:12 ↗ much more specific messaging, but right

2:05:14 ↗ now we're we're gearing up and we want

2:05:15 ↗ to make a big splash.

2:05:21 ↗ >> Uh, Thomas, do you have any more staff

2:05:24 ↗ aboard? I don't, but I know that Julian

2:05:26 ↗ wanted to mention something that I was

2:05:28 ↗ going to, so I would love to have him uh

2:05:30 ↗ have this time.

2:05:34 ↗ You want me to share report?

2:05:35 ↗ >> Yeah,

2:05:38 ↗ >> I just have a quick uh shout out for the

2:05:41 ↗ Isqua climate action plan as a metrics

2:05:44 ↗ committee. Uh that is meeting starting

2:05:46 ↗ next week. Uh so we're going to Stacy

2:05:49 ↗ came and talked to us at our last

2:05:51 ↗ meeting which was ago. Uh

2:05:55 ↗ part of what we discussed with her was,

2:05:57 ↗ you know, shifting things from like

2:05:59 ↗ implement the transportation plan to do

2:06:03 ↗ some advocacy of climate metrics and

2:06:05 ↗ that. So we're getting that stuff kicked

2:06:07 ↗ off. I guess states get talked to us

2:06:08 ↗ next month. Uh so a couple as well. Uh

2:06:16 ↗ I think that's all I have for the for

2:06:18 ↗ the chairs report.

2:06:21 ↗ Uh Erica, you're on. You're the actual

2:06:23 ↗ chair. Anything to add?

2:06:27 ↗ >> Uh thank you, acting chair. Um thank

2:06:31 ↗ Yeah, thank you for uh having grace with

2:06:33 ↗ me showing up very late. I was

2:06:34 ↗ experiencing the very thing that we

2:06:36 ↗ discuss. I was in gridlock traffic on a

2:06:38 ↗ highway. Um nothing to report from me um

2:06:43 ↗ other than I'm here in Olympia for the

2:06:44 ↗ next couple months. Um, I think you'll

2:06:46 ↗ see me teams in next month, but then I

2:06:49 ↗ should be back by March. So, um, yeah,

2:06:53 ↗ hearing the other end of, uh, Sound

2:06:56 ↗ Transit's budget wos wearing my other

2:06:58 ↗ hat a little bit. So,

2:07:04 ↗ >> right. Uh, so that'll conclude the chair

2:07:07 ↗ report. Uh, Julian,

2:07:08 ↗ >> yeah,

2:07:09 ↗ >> you have the floor. Well, I mean, I'm

2:07:11 ↗ glad that uh I get to write the

2:07:14 ↗ soundtrack. That's I'm glad about that.

2:07:18 ↗ But I'm kind of bummed that I get to uh

2:07:21 ↗ you know have the nice discussions

2:07:23 ↗ according to the work plan uh later in

2:07:25 ↗ the year. Um I will be doing another

2:07:27 ↗ term uh here on TAB um or going for

2:07:30 ↗ another term. Uh that's because I am

2:07:33 ↗ moving to the Netherlands in August

2:07:36 ↗ uh for a master's program. and public

2:07:39 ↗ policy. And so I'm going to master

2:07:42 ↗ university which is kind of in the

2:07:43 ↗ southeast corner that notch of

2:07:46 ↗ Netherland between Belgium and Germany.

2:07:49 ↗ Um and so I'll be spending a year there.

2:07:52 ↗ It's probably um hopefully much longer

2:07:55 ↗ than a year as well. Uh, I'm so really

2:08:00 ↗ excited for all the biking that I get to

2:08:03 ↗ do there and the trains and all the

2:08:06 ↗ other public transits, public

2:08:08 ↗ transportation infrastructure from the

2:08:10 ↗ Netherlands and Germany and Belgium

2:08:12 ↗ everywhere else. So really really

2:08:15 ↗ looking forward to that. But it's been a

2:08:16 ↗ really wonderful four years on so uh you

2:08:21 ↗ know and informed why policy. So that's

2:08:26 ↗ for sure. Uh but yeah, it's been amazing

2:08:29 ↗ for years.

2:08:30 ↗ >> Thanks for

2:08:32 ↗ >> Yeah, it sounds like a great

2:08:33 ↗ opportunity.

2:08:35 ↗ I clearly need to invest more in

2:08:37 ↗ multimodal so that we can compute

2:08:42 ↗ the challenge that you think pretty well

2:08:44 ↗ when you do that.

2:08:48 ↗ Just looking for incorporating your

2:08:50 ↗ learnings from your experience into

2:08:52 ↗ that.

2:08:53 ↗ Uh yeah, hoping hoping to to sustain it

2:08:56 ↗ longer term in the Europe uh at least

2:09:00 ↗ for the last few years. So yeah,

2:09:08 ↗ >> okay. Any other announcements?

2:09:12 ↗ >> And hope it's okay. Um but I'm pretty

2:09:14 ↗ sure I have a ballot and they're due

2:09:15 ↗ February 10th. It's a school district.

2:09:19 ↗ So please be sure to vote. Shameless

2:09:21 ↗ spot.

2:09:23 ↗ Thanks. Uh, any other announcements?

2:09:27 ↗ Uh, hearing none, uh, I will pronounce

2:09:29 ↗ the meeting and adjourn at 8:11 p.m.

2:09:33 ↗ Thanks everyone for staying late

2:09:35 ↗ discussions.

2:09:38 ↗ Any question?

2:09:39 ↗ >> Thank you. Make great your children.

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