Transportation Advisory Board · Wednesday, July 26, 2023 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of June 26, 2023

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 06-26-23 Transportation Advisory Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Transportation Advisory Board 6:00 PM Steelhead Room, 235 1st Ave SE, June 26, 2023 MINUTES Issaquah

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

ADA Transition Plan

30 min · Dale Markey-Crimp, Performance Analyst · packet pp.7–35

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Staff report:

The purpose of this memo and the related presentation are to provide an overview of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) Transition Plan Project at the City of Issaquah and to gather input on the criteria used to prioritize ADA barrier removal within the public right of way.

6:50 PM Rail

60 min · Thomas Valdriz, Senior Transportation Planner

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5. REPORTS

Board Work Plan

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Traffic Calming Intro & Program

Staff Report

Chair Report

Youth Report

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0:03 ↗ is it just audio

0:05 ↗ there's a new camera

0:10 ↗ it's kind of like the point of sales

0:13 ↗ stuff is different every time

0:17 ↗ indeed

0:19 ↗ recording started

0:21 ↗ all right good evening

0:24 ↗ um I'd like to welcome everyone to the

0:26 ↗ regular monthly meeting of the

0:27 ↗ transportation Advisory Board my name is

0:29 ↗ Cynthia Cress I'm currently chair thank

0:32 ↗ you to Julian who's not here this

0:33 ↗ evening for covering for me in the June

0:35 ↗ meeting while I was on vacation

0:38 ↗ um well let's see

0:40 ↗ um that brings us right to approval of

0:43 ↗ the minutes and seeking approval of the

0:45 ↗ minutes from

0:48 ↗ May June rather by unanimous consent as

0:52 ↗ presented

0:54 ↗ I am

0:58 ↗ do you have a suggested yeah adoption I

1:01 ↗ think the feedback questions and

1:05 ↗ feedback under

1:07 ↗ uh regular business Metroflex

1:10 ↗ tab the opposed feedback I think is kind

1:14 ↗ of missing a couple of the key points

1:16 ↗ that were brought up

1:18 ↗ um

1:19 ↗ two of those that stood out we talked

1:22 ↗ about the cost per ride it wasn't so

1:24 ↗ much the total cost it was more the cost

1:27 ↗ per ride uh I thought that that

1:30 ↗ was something we discussed some of the

1:33 ↗ important if for anyone were to look at

1:35 ↗ the

1:37 ↗ concerns raised and then the other part

1:40 ↗ of it was that the service was pitched

1:44 ↗ and to close the gap with first panel

1:48 ↗ last file uh but then there's a lot of

1:49 ↗ discussion about it being point two

1:51 ↗ point for any points within that that

1:54 ↗ zone and so the concern of whether it

1:57 ↗ was actually targeting what Metro had

1:59 ↗ identified themselves as

2:01 ↗ uh their Gap to usage so I think that

2:04 ↗ those should be noted

2:09 ↗ I would suggest for efficiency maybe we

2:13 ↗ don't approve them tonight and you go

2:16 ↗ back and

2:17 ↗ get the record uh not there's any

2:19 ↗ discussion about it I would say you take

2:21 ↗ that back and then we just do July and

2:23 ↗ June in August

2:26 ↗ okay thank you for that

2:29 ↗ um

2:29 ↗ he's not alone

2:32 ↗ he's not alone

2:34 ↗ um

2:35 ↗ I also would like to chip in some things

2:38 ↗ and some Darius

2:40 ↗ there was a decision made

2:44 ↗ and all due respect to those that were

2:47 ↗ here

2:49 ↗ um

2:50 ↗ because the follow-on discussion that we

2:52 ↗ had was about the ship and the tip

2:55 ↗ and the thing that kept popping out to

2:58 ↗ me was

2:59 ↗ make wise money decisions

3:03 ↗ and we thought at least I thought we

3:06 ↗ were making a wise money decision

3:11 ↗ come to find out as I told you possibly

3:16 ↗ um they went back and rebreached to the

3:20 ↗ committee

3:22 ↗ console not committee as a whole but the

3:25 ↗ committee

3:27 ↗ and

3:28 ↗ it became clear because I was there was

3:32 ↗ they had much more information to put

3:35 ↗ out that we never got in that meeting

3:38 ↗ so

3:40 ↗ I know that the minutes cannot reflect

3:43 ↗ that

3:44 ↗ but

3:46 ↗ that's what happened and

3:53 ↗ so I I heard a little agree with my

3:56 ↗ daughter that uh

3:58 ↗ the minute should reflect

4:01 ↗ all reasons why

4:06 ↗ there was that hope

4:08 ↗ it seemed to me that that the minutes

4:11 ↗ were one-sided

4:14 ↗ toward the folks who were

4:19 ↗ wanting or agreeing

4:21 ↗ to move this Rule

4:23 ↗ and it wasn't the same song with that

4:27 ↗ said I feel better now than I have to

4:31 ↗ time to spit that out

4:34 ↗ and when I saw those minutes is why I

4:37 ↗ went to that other meeting which was

4:41 ↗ very important because I learned Big

4:44 ↗ Time much more information that was put

4:48 ↗ out

4:49 ↗ did you change your view after going to

4:53 ↗ that other meeting

4:54 ↗ someone but not totally let me ask for a

4:58 ↗ timeout um I know what we want to do

5:00 ↗ that's okay let me just let's I want to

5:02 ↗ make sure everything gets addressed but

5:03 ↗ I wanted to do do it in the right time

5:05 ↗ in the manner um if we could uh agree

5:09 ↗ that you have a comment you felt wasn't

5:11 ↗ adequately reflected in the minutes you

5:13 ↗ had a couple things more adequately

5:15 ↗ reflected in the minutes if we could

5:17 ↗ read yeah I mean I had to actually since

5:20 ↗ you you brought it up I I did feel the

5:22 ↗ same way I didn't want to

5:23 ↗ uh if I was gonna be the only one but

5:28 ↗ this really does read as

5:31 ↗ describing the

5:36 ↗ the views of the uh you know in favor

5:39 ↗ and opposed more positively on one side

5:42 ↗ and more negatively on the other

5:45 ↗ um you know pointing kind of framing

5:48 ↗ stuff as like

5:49 ↗ um

5:51 ↗ good Mobility opportunities being missed

5:53 ↗ out is is I mean that's

5:57 ↗ very like a general statement to try and

6:00 ↗ paint a Rosy picture about one thing

6:02 ↗ when

6:03 ↗ um those that were in favor of this were

6:05 ↗ I mean literally was tossed out oh it's

6:08 ↗ just X number of dollars in our total

6:10 ↗ budget who cares right uh that's a big

6:14 ↗ difference than being like Oh it's a

6:16 ↗ minimal cost for the benefit being

6:18 ↗ provided that's a not understanding how

6:21 ↗ our budget works and how it's you know

6:24 ↗ we don't use up all our budget with one

6:26 ↗ purchase we use it up with lots and lots

6:28 ↗ and lots of little purchases uh so yeah

6:30 ↗ I mean I I'm overall not super happy

6:33 ↗ with with how that was was written and

6:36 ↗ proud of making some changes

6:39 ↗ um maybe a tone that you felt like it

6:41 ↗ didn't capture so that we can give that

6:43 ↗ feedback and then we can

6:45 ↗ um go ahead this is probably what you're

6:48 ↗ asking right now is I was going to ask

6:49 ↗ how best to give this feedback whether

6:51 ↗ it's just verbal or written and it

6:53 ↗ should be

6:54 ↗ of that

6:56 ↗ um I want to make sure you feel heard

6:58 ↗ um and

6:59 ↗ um but I don't want to revisit old

7:02 ↗ territory as an Advisory Group I think

7:05 ↗ we need to be

7:07 ↗ we have something I want to say

7:08 ↗ it too but I want to make sure

7:11 ↗ um if you have a way to summarize or if

7:13 ↗ you'd rather propose something well I

7:16 ↗ mean I I think I have my own bias right

7:19 ↗ because I have my own View and so I

7:21 ↗ don't think it's fair for me to

7:23 ↗ get characterize

7:26 ↗ sure so we don't like it my view and I I

7:31 ↗ wouldn't actually even suggest that this

7:33 ↗ should be what's written down here but

7:34 ↗ my view is that those that were in favor

7:37 ↗ were very dismissive maybe even almost

7:41 ↗ to like the point of well let's ignore

7:43 ↗ the cost

7:44 ↗ and those that were in favor thought

7:48 ↗ it's something that needs to be

7:49 ↗ considered within the scope uh

7:53 ↗ yeah I think that's pretty pretty

7:55 ↗ different I was pretty troubled Honestly

7:57 ↗ by the the comment about oh it's just X

8:01 ↗ number of dollars like as a taxpayer

8:04 ↗ here

8:05 ↗ that's concerning because then when I

8:07 ↗ hear that our city then took it to the

8:11 ↗ next meeting and I'm wondering like well

8:13 ↗ how did they pitch it right to go and

8:16 ↗ try and press this forward when the

8:18 ↗ direction of tap

8:21 ↗ um and it felt a little bit like um

8:24 ↗ those that were opposed were kind of

8:27 ↗ pressing further when we normally go

8:28 ↗ when we make a decision as a group

8:31 ↗ night but there was a you know a comment

8:34 ↗ made to like well let's make sure we

8:36 ↗ really capture this because it was two

8:38 ↗ against three and it was super close and

8:40 ↗ it's like we never do that

8:42 ↗ we capture the vote but we never really

8:45 ↗ it just it felt a little bit like

8:48 ↗ trying to pull it back the direction

8:50 ↗ that we didn't agree to

8:53 ↗ um

8:54 ↗ so I think there's maybe more of a

8:56 ↗ discussion that needs to be had on this

8:58 ↗ than just the minutes I think that's

9:00 ↗ what I'm sensing is there's maybe

9:01 ↗ another discussion that we need to to

9:03 ↗ have about this and I would propose that

9:06 ↗ um

9:07 ↗ we stick to the minutes for the moment

9:09 ↗ let's get through the agenda tonight

9:11 ↗ because it's prepared and there's a

9:12 ↗ staff attendees but I absolutely want to

9:15 ↗ make sure everybody feels satisfied I

9:18 ↗ also just want to say that

9:20 ↗ um I think this is really important

9:21 ↗ material and I think that the way we

9:24 ↗ walk through this is going to be pretty

9:25 ↗ important and I think that if we're not

9:28 ↗ having trouble with coming you know to

9:31 ↗ agreements then we're not asking hard

9:33 ↗ enough questions and so I obviously who

9:36 ↗ says hair I was on vacation

9:38 ↗ um but I feel like that's a sign to me

9:41 ↗ that we're getting to some more

9:43 ↗ substantive information that an Advisory

9:46 ↗ Group is well a suited to deliver and at

9:49 ↗ the end I think it is I think there is

9:52 ↗ some benefit to asking people to vote

9:55 ↗ um because I think it kind of gives

9:56 ↗ people an opportunity to try to convince

9:58 ↗ each other it's not just general

9:59 ↗ feedback that we can kind of pretend

10:00 ↗ doesn't conflict with each other like we

10:02 ↗ actually have to come do something and

10:04 ↗ so I don't think we should be afraid to

10:05 ↗ do that but at the end today of course

10:07 ↗ we're we're an Advisory Board and we

10:10 ↗ give our advice we make sure we're heard

10:12 ↗ and then the decision makers have the

10:14 ↗ benefit of that course and I think that

10:17 ↗ protecting the discourse is my as the

10:20 ↗ chair that my number one goal

10:22 ↗ um so I do want to move on but I do want

10:26 ↗ to revisit this I'm not sure how

10:28 ↗ um I'll probably maybe talk to a couple

10:31 ↗ people including staff and try to figure

10:35 ↗ out you know how to do that

10:36 ↗ appropriately but I want to make sure

10:38 ↗ that people feel

10:40 ↗ heard and that they feel

10:42 ↗ um

10:43 ↗ that they should not not bring things up

10:47 ↗ because they think they're going to be

10:49 ↗ dismissed as an Advisory Group we might

10:51 ↗ make advice that never gets uh and you

10:54 ↗ know implemented but

10:57 ↗ um that's that's you know that may so be

11:00 ↗ it but it it's still none of us wants to

11:02 ↗ keep showing up if we're not getting

11:04 ↗ hurt and if we're not getting to the

11:05 ↗ meet

11:06 ↗ um and so

11:08 ↗ um I would like to propose that we would

11:10 ↗ you be okay if we move along and then we

11:13 ↗ um revisit this

11:19 ↗ anything that's not a

11:23 ↗ clear for us right now so we can table

11:26 ↗ the approval of them

11:29 ↗ I move that we table the

11:33 ↗ we have to vote on that um all in favor

11:38 ↗ I think it's an important discussion I

11:40 ↗ think we

11:41 ↗ think we need each other and see it all

11:42 ↗ the way through because we want to

11:44 ↗ create an environment people can

11:45 ↗ disagree because that's where the best

11:47 ↗ game comes from in my opinion

11:50 ↗ uh well

11:51 ↗ that's awesome it's the first time

11:54 ↗ I didn't get to the second half of this

11:55 ↗ it says hearing no objections

12:00 ↗ um

12:04 ↗ so that brings us to public comment do

12:08 ↗ we have anyone online they can go a

12:11 ↗ comment I don't see anyone in their room

12:13 ↗ okay

12:15 ↗ the weather's too nice I'm sorry the

12:17 ↗ weather's too nice yeah suddenly the

12:19 ↗ city is running just fine

12:22 ↗ uh okay well that brings us to regular

12:24 ↗ business and we're going to talk about

12:25 ↗ the Ada transition plan

12:28 ↗ um and it looks like

12:30 ↗ um this Dale Markey crimp is going to

12:34 ↗ should I turn it to you or to John okay

12:37 ↗ you can go ahead and turn it to me I'm

12:39 ↗ going to join this meeting and get the

12:41 ↗ slide done

12:44 ↗ okay that should be that should be taken

12:46 ↗ care of I don't know Amber

12:50 ↗ won't go away

13:00 ↗ no I just take a hot second every time

13:03 ↗ to find our age there we go good evening

13:08 ↗ um

13:09 ↗ my name is Dale Markey crimp I'm the

13:11 ↗ performance analyst for the City of

13:13 ↗ Issaquah and the acting uh for Ada

13:17 ↗ transition plan manager uh of you know

13:20 ↗ title I borrowed from John Mortensen

13:22 ↗ about six months ago and I'll hold on to

13:24 ↗ it for a little bit

13:26 ↗ um and it's a joy to be here tonight

13:27 ↗ with all of you to talk a bit about our

13:30 ↗ Ada transition plan and where it

13:31 ↗ currently is at

13:33 ↗ the purpose of our time together tonight

13:35 ↗ is for me to share an update on the Ada

13:38 ↗ transition plan the progress we've made

13:40 ↗ and then also to gather input

13:42 ↗ specifically on the current

13:44 ↗ prioritization framework what we're

13:46 ↗ using to determine what are the Ada

13:49 ↗ barriers that we want to remove sooner

13:51 ↗ rather than later in order to the Ada

13:53 ↗ barriers that we might

13:54 ↗ um

13:55 ↗ remove later rather than sooner

13:58 ↗ um to do this though I'm going to give a

14:00 ↗ little bit of a background exploration

14:02 ↗ of the Ada and transition plans in

14:04 ↗ general

14:05 ↗ um and I know you've seen these slides

14:06 ↗ in the memo but we'll walk through it

14:08 ↗ and the lucky thing is that we've got uh

14:11 ↗ the expert in the room here uh across

14:13 ↗ the table for me

14:14 ↗ so specifically tonight I'm hoping to

14:16 ↗ get feedback on the current framework

14:18 ↗ and then time permitting I'd also love

14:21 ↗ to get your thoughts excuse me uh on

14:25 ↗ um how we may communicate the progress

14:29 ↗ we make on The implementation of the

14:31 ↗ plan as outlined sort of what might be

14:34 ↗ the most relevant and effective way to

14:35 ↗ communicate that

14:37 ↗ progress

14:38 ↗ but before we get into the plan I'm

14:41 ↗ going to provide a little bit of

14:42 ↗ background on the Ada itself

14:44 ↗ um and how we come to be in this

14:45 ↗ particular moment

14:47 ↗ um and so the Ada

14:48 ↗ the Americans with Disabilities Act

14:50 ↗ while originally passed in 1990 was

14:53 ↗ preceded by The Rehabilitation Act in

14:56 ↗ three

14:58 ↗ um and then the Ada was updated in 2010

15:01 ↗ . the City of Issaquah in 2014 undertook

15:04 ↗ a previous Ada transition plan

15:07 ↗ um however that plan

15:09 ↗ um maybe

15:10 ↗ hasn't been used to guide as much of our

15:15 ↗ of our barrier removal as it was

15:16 ↗ originally intended more recently there

15:20 ↗ was an update to how pass-through

15:22 ↗ funding can the federal government would

15:24 ↗ come to the city that requires an

15:26 ↗ up-to-date Ada transition plan to be in

15:28 ↗ place and so we are currently working on

15:31 ↗ finalizing an ADA transition plan so

15:34 ↗ that we can have it available

15:36 ↗ to inform the work that we do but also

15:39 ↗ so that we can be in legal compliance

15:40 ↗ with the funding for transportation

15:42 ↗ Improvement projects across the city

15:45 ↗ we lost that

15:47 ↗ a little bit on the plan itself what

15:50 ↗ what is an ADA transition plan I

15:51 ↗ certainly did not know when I took on

15:54 ↗ this project

15:56 ↗ um an ADA transition plan should

15:59 ↗ identify the current accessibility

16:00 ↗ barriers across

16:02 ↗ whether those are physical barriers or

16:05 ↗ programmatic barriers

16:07 ↗ um it should describe the potential

16:09 ↗ methods for removing those barriers we

16:12 ↗ know some barriers might be removed

16:15 ↗ you know as a single thing we're going

16:18 ↗ to go and fix that piece of sidewalk

16:19 ↗ that has a high Edge that people are

16:21 ↗ tripping over

16:22 ↗ it also might be removed as part of a

16:24 ↗ broader project that reimagines that

16:26 ↗ entire stretch of road and so the plan

16:29 ↗ should outline some of the potential

16:30 ↗ ways the city might remove each

16:33 ↗ it should provide a schedule for a

16:35 ↗ moving barriers so what's going to

16:36 ↗ happen in the next six years what's

16:38 ↗ going to happen after those six years

16:40 ↗ and so not only when we would expect the

16:43 ↗ the improvements we made or the barriers

16:45 ↗ to be removed but also the the dollars

16:48 ↗ that we'll need to commit to being able

16:50 ↗ to remove those barriers

16:52 ↗ and then lastly it should identify the

16:54 ↗ public official the person here at the

16:55 ↗ City of Issaquah that's responsible for

16:57 ↗ implementing uh that Bureau removal or

17:01 ↗ that Improvement

17:02 ↗ you can see I've got on the on the right

17:04 ↗ hand side of this slide in particular

17:06 ↗ just outlining some of the physical

17:08 ↗ barriers and programmatic barriers that

17:10 ↗ are captured when this plan

17:12 ↗ given the expertise and interest of this

17:14 ↗ group we're going to focus tonight just

17:16 ↗ on public right-of-way but know when I

17:19 ↗ all talk about next steps um and a

17:22 ↗ chance to learn about the other chapters

17:23 ↗ it is currently about a 200 Page

17:26 ↗ document so I thought I'd keep it light

17:28 ↗ for us and just focus on public

17:30 ↗ right-of-way

17:31 ↗ but you can see this plan will also

17:33 ↗ involve City buildings it will also

17:35 ↗ involve parks and trails and then it

17:37 ↗ will also take a look at the

17:38 ↗ programmatic elements uh that might be

17:42 ↗ prohibiting some people from fully

17:43 ↗ accessing everything the city has to

17:45 ↗ offer whether that be our Recreation

17:46 ↗ programs the accessibility of our

17:49 ↗ website the accessibility of our public

17:51 ↗ meetings and how they're designed

17:54 ↗ um all fall under the umbrella of this

17:56 ↗ transition

17:59 ↗ I want to give some examples when we

18:01 ↗ talk about public right-of-way in the

18:03 ↗ Ada what are we talking about this is

18:05 ↗ this might be like bread and butter for

18:07 ↗ this group but I didn't want to make any

18:08 ↗ assumptions so when we're talking about

18:10 ↗ ADA Compliant Futures in the public

18:12 ↗ right-of-way we're talking about curb

18:14 ↗ ramps we're talking about Blended

18:16 ↗ transitions

18:18 ↗ um and I want to show some examples of

18:19 ↗ some some some others so sidewalks and

18:22 ↗ pedestrian signals and those are the big

18:24 ↗ ones along with

18:26 ↗ um handicapper accessible parking spaces

18:30 ↗ um that make up the public right-of-way

18:31 ↗ section of this

18:34 ↗ now let's look at some of the what these

18:36 ↗ things look like when they are

18:37 ↗ non-compliant because that's what we're

18:38 ↗ really talking about we're talking about

18:39 ↗ removing the barriers so these These are

18:42 ↗ I'll go back these are all good examples

18:44 ↗ this is like good job Issaquah we are

18:46 ↗ that is a good looking curb ramp right

18:48 ↗ there that is a good look inside walk

18:50 ↗ right there

18:51 ↗ they don't all look that way so some

18:54 ↗ examples of some non-compliant curve

18:56 ↗ ramps so I went on a walk this afternoon

18:57 ↗ and just sort of also these are not my

19:00 ↗ photos but I was looking around to see

19:01 ↗ like okay where where are we in green

19:03 ↗ where are we in the fair or the better

19:04 ↗ so you'll notice um

19:07 ↗ oh gosh it's leaving my brain uh but the

19:10 ↗ truncated domes is that hey that yellow

19:15 ↗ what I call would call a Yellow Rumble

19:17 ↗ strip in my own uh personal Linguistics

19:20 ↗ uh the truncated domes in that fair or

19:23 ↗ better and you can see this poor uh

19:26 ↗ transition you'll notice that has this

19:28 ↗ sort of outdated I believe it's Diamond

19:30 ↗ aggregate transition

19:32 ↗ um am I doing well Transportation people

19:34 ↗ agree a generalist who's learned some

19:36 ↗ things then we have an example here of a

19:38 ↗ very poor curb ramp so you can see not

19:40 ↗ only is it doesn't even have the diamond

19:42 ↗ aggregate that's outdated but it's also

19:44 ↗ really narrow and I would be surprised

19:46 ↗ if a wheelchair or something on Wheels

19:47 ↗ could make it through there and then we

19:49 ↗ have one in the entire city one uh

19:51 ↗ Missing uh transition right there so you

19:54 ↗ can see it's really unclear what when it

19:57 ↗ becomes road

19:58 ↗ um from sidewalk

20:00 ↗ also there we go compliant from Katie

20:02 ↗ Jones seeing next to that so on the far

20:04 ↗ left we've got a fully compliant curve

20:06 ↗ ramp and then you can look and see some

20:09 ↗ outdated or some non-existent warning

20:13 ↗ surfaces

20:15 ↗ also this won't come as a surprise I

20:17 ↗ don't think um but sidewalks so our

20:19 ↗ non-compliant our big issue with

20:20 ↗ non-compliant sidewalks has to do with

20:22 ↗ cracks or upheavals

20:24 ↗ um and I'll talk a little I'll show some

20:25 ↗ maps in a moment about where most of

20:27 ↗ these are happening

20:28 ↗ um and then and the push buttons so push

20:30 ↗ buttons with non-accessible features

20:32 ↗ things that

20:33 ↗ things that are really

20:34 ↗ the push button is there but it's not

20:36 ↗ necessarily ADA Compliant push button

20:38 ↗ is the difference for the push button

20:40 ↗ the one that has the raised Arrow so you

20:43 ↗ can feel which direction is pointing

20:45 ↗ it's got a arrow for that and then if

20:49 ↗ you push the newer ones and you hold it

20:51 ↗ for a few seconds it'll start talking to

20:53 ↗ you oh you'll see wait Southeast 56th at

20:57 ↗ East Lake Sammamish Parkway it'll talk

21:05 ↗ you've got multiple ways to know what

21:07 ↗ I'd say after prick Coleman

21:09 ↗ the old aggregate for some of us who are

21:12 ↗ older that was a step up from nothing to

21:16 ↗ the old aggregate absolutely this is

21:18 ↗ another step up we've got to realize

21:22 ↗ that that in those days with the old

21:24 ↗ aggregate that wasn't a bad thing that

21:27 ↗ was a good move but we now see it wasn't

21:30 ↗ good enough

21:31 ↗ same thing with the buttons you used to

21:34 ↗ hit the button

21:35 ↗ um

21:37 ↗ it was pointing right but I can

21:39 ↗ definitely tell that if the blind person

21:41 ↗ walked up there they wouldn't be too

21:43 ↗ sure what button that they were pushing

21:49 ↗ I had to make that comment absolutely

21:51 ↗ Dave I think that's a great it's also a

21:54 ↗ great reminder that we are there are I'm

21:56 ↗ going to show you all the improvements

21:57 ↗ we need to make in just a moment

21:59 ↗ um we don't need to make them all at

22:00 ↗ once and and we are we have a lot of

22:03 ↗ work to do but also the standards

22:05 ↗ changed in 2010 and that really also led

22:07 ↗ to

22:08 ↗ new expectations so this is a long-term

22:11 ↗ project it's really just about us

22:13 ↗ putting the plan in place that says this

22:15 ↗ is how we're going to decide what to

22:17 ↗ remove and when to remove it as an old

22:19 ↗ bus driver there was no ramp no lift no

22:24 ↗ nothing and then we came out with lifts

22:27 ↗ which took a lot of time and then

22:30 ↗ changed to ramps which are even better

22:33 ↗ same thing with inside the bus so I

22:36 ↗ totally get this I don't want to forget

22:39 ↗ that there was

22:41 ↗ at a time a long time ago maybe before

22:44 ↗ you guys were born but there was a time

22:47 ↗ when

22:49 ↗ that old stuff was great a great move

22:52 ↗ absolutely it's not now so

22:54 ↗ it wasn't bad it's just

22:58 ↗ forward yeah

23:00 ↗ walk you through some of the maps of of

23:02 ↗ some of these elements across the city I

23:05 ↗ also want to acknowledge that someone

23:06 ↗ talking about the Ada that these Maps um

23:11 ↗ are not actually totally the the most uh

23:14 ↗ I would say inviting for someone who

23:16 ↗ might struggle with visual impairment so

23:18 ↗ please definitely use the the printout

23:21 ↗ that you have if you want to take a

23:22 ↗ closer look and I'm happy to pause and

23:24 ↗ explain anything as we go yeah what's

23:26 ↗ the difference between the red and the

23:27 ↗ green and the we're going to talk about

23:29 ↗ it in a second

23:36 ↗ so we worked with a consultant uh TSI to

23:40 ↗ do an inventory of our public right away

23:42 ↗ across the city to identify where are

23:44 ↗ the barriers currently

23:45 ↗ um and what's the and and of the berries

23:47 ↗ that exist

23:48 ↗ um specifically for some of the things

23:49 ↗ we just looked at where are they

23:51 ↗ compliant

23:52 ↗ not compliant but maybe like close to

23:55 ↗ compliant where are they poor where are

23:57 ↗ they very poor and where are they just

23:59 ↗ simply non-existent the thing that we

24:00 ↗ need to have there isn't there

24:02 ↗ so the first thing that they well they

24:04 ↗ took a look at these things all together

24:05 ↗ but the first thing we'll talk about is

24:07 ↗ curb Ram compliance so you can see in

24:09 ↗ this map there did an inventory of just

24:11 ↗ under 2 000 ramps across the city

24:14 ↗ um across the city only 24 of our ramps

24:16 ↗ are in compliance with the current Ada

24:18 ↗ standards

24:19 ↗ um however we zeroed in on a focus area

24:23 ↗ which is what you'll see the difference

24:24 ↗ between the lighter dots on the outside

24:27 ↗ and the more

24:28 ↗ bright or pronounced dots and this was

24:31 ↗ decided as parts of the city that are

24:34 ↗ fairly High foot traffic

24:37 ↗ um and near areas of interest you can

24:39 ↗ see the red

24:41 ↗ um is no it's a non-compliant her brand

24:44 ↗ and the green is a compliant curb ramp

24:46 ↗ I'm gonna go a little deeper into this

24:47 ↗ so I'll I'll walk through some of these

24:49 ↗ maps and we'll pause

24:52 ↗ within that so this is a map of the same

24:55 ↗ elements but we've got some different

24:56 ↗ shading happening specifically rather

24:58 ↗ than just saying compliant or

24:59 ↗ non-compliant they also graded them for

25:02 ↗ us based on condition

25:03 ↗ so anything in green here

25:05 ↗ excuse me is a fair or better anything

25:08 ↗ in yellow is poor orange is very poor

25:12 ↗ um and red which there is that one red

25:13 ↗ that picture that I showed you and it's

25:15 ↗ hiding in here but is the missing the

25:17 ↗ non-existent curve brand

25:19 ↗ they also took a look well I'll show you

25:21 ↗ this breakdown so I think this is this

25:22 ↗ is helpful to see that um

25:26 ↗ we while of the focus area nearly half

25:30 ↗ are fair or better still around 43 are

25:34 ↗ poor or very poor

25:36 ↗ um and I think that's an important thing

25:38 ↗ to know for us to know

25:40 ↗ they also looked at sidewalks so we

25:42 ↗ looked at that picture earlier of the

25:43 ↗ sidewalk with the crack in the middle of

25:45 ↗ it

25:46 ↗ um they took an inventory of 868

25:48 ↗ segments of sidewalk 18 are in

25:52 ↗ compliance with the current Ada

25:53 ↗ standards

25:54 ↗ the biggest issue are those High edges

25:57 ↗ whether it's a high Edge caused by a

25:58 ↗ tree route

25:59 ↗ that pushes the sidewalk up or the

26:02 ↗ settling of a concrete

26:04 ↗ segment that then lowers it below

26:07 ↗ another segment of the sidewalk causing

26:09 ↗ a high Edge

26:11 ↗ it is really hard in a city and so

26:13 ↗ values at Street canopy to not have a

26:16 ↗ constant fight between our site

26:17 ↗ and our tree roots

26:21 ↗ they also did a little bit of a

26:22 ↗ prioritization for us again based on

26:25 ↗ the most walked around parts of the city

26:28 ↗ and based on

26:31 ↗ um the places where the the Challenger

26:33 ↗ The Edge or the broken part of the

26:36 ↗ sidewalk was the most extreme so you can

26:37 ↗ see here they greeted them again a high

26:39 ↗ priority are really bad

26:42 ↗ um sort of uproot or high Edge in the

26:44 ↗ sidewalk medium priority and low

26:46 ↗ priority got a couple more to go through

26:48 ↗ and then I'll pause

26:50 ↗ they took a look also at our accessible

26:53 ↗ on-street parking

26:56 ↗ yeah

26:58 ↗ so when they're looking at priority was

27:00 ↗ it just like places where people are are

27:03 ↗ using the sidewalk more or were they

27:05 ↗ also including things like um

27:08 ↗ Services Public Services that

27:10 ↗ they work yeah so they're looking

27:12 ↗ they're looking not just at

27:15 ↗ there's there's some correlation between

27:18 ↗ those things yeah but yeah they're

27:19 ↗ looking at places where we've got we

27:21 ↗ know we have a lot of foot trappings

27:22 ↗ there are Services there

27:27 ↗ parking stalls

27:29 ↗ um of the 874 only 15 are painted with a

27:33 ↗ symbol so you can see again here which

27:35 ↗ ones are marked to the Ada

27:37 ↗ um which ones are not

27:39 ↗ and then getting back into that push

27:42 ↗ button and that signaling

27:44 ↗ so

27:46 ↗ there

27:48 ↗ does that mean they're in this city or

27:50 ↗ in this area there are 1588 spots or

27:53 ↗ there are 15 properly marked Ada spots

27:56 ↗ and there's 874 total Ada spots there

27:59 ↗ are 15 properly marked there are 874

28:01 ↗ total stalls not necessarily

28:05 ↗ um Ada and other types

28:08 ↗ understanding of the report so how do

28:11 ↗ you define

28:12 ↗ public parking even

28:14 ↗ um

28:16 ↗ so it's the when we have hurricane in

28:19 ↗ the public right-of-way that is marked

28:23 ↗ so the parking lot out there it's on a

28:27 ↗ parcel not in the right-of-way we're not

28:29 ↗ looking well

28:31 ↗ this chapter is not looking at the

28:33 ↗ parking lot at Tibbetts but uh in the

28:36 ↗ Isla Highlands where we have individual

28:38 ↗ marked parking stalls then we're looking

28:41 ↗ at that along the Highland Drive Right

28:44 ↗ those parallel parking spots

28:47 ↗ so like even at Costco you know that

28:51 ↗ whole Costco development none of that

28:54 ↗ counts

28:55 ↗ right

28:56 ↗ well most of itself

29:05 ↗ but a parking garage wouldn't be part of

29:08 ↗ this survey because it's not in the

29:09 ↗ public right of way even those King

29:11 ↗ County public okay so this is really

29:13 ↗ important

29:15 ↗ it's on Street yes it's just on Street

29:19 ↗ City of Issaquah parking right and the

29:21 ↗ way Ada is hold on Cynthia

29:24 ↗ the way Ada is written we we don't even

29:27 ↗ look at where we have on street parking

29:29 ↗ that's not marked it's metered or marked

29:32 ↗ parking

29:33 ↗ so the back-end diagonal parking in

29:36 ↗ front of the patch on Rainier that's

29:38 ↗ sitting public right away right yes most

29:42 ↗ of them were talking about parallel art

29:44 ↗ like frustrated okay thank you where

29:48 ↗ does 15 stand I mean is that is that a

29:51 ↗ lot is that a little I mean I

29:53 ↗ it's not a lot yeah what what is what is

29:58 ↗ like the appropriate number

30:00 ↗ I would have to get back

30:02 ↗ yeah because those are stalls they're

30:05 ↗ not 874 those are not designated Ada at

30:08 ↗ all

30:10 ↗ right oh okay I missed that okay yes 15

30:14 ↗ that are painted with an ADA symbol and

30:16 ↗ that's not even to say that it meets Ada

30:19 ↗ it's it's

30:21 ↗ I looked at what it takes to put on

30:24 ↗ Street 88 Apartments quite a bit Yeah

30:28 ↗ okay and but the 874 are

30:31 ↗ is parking available available it's not

30:35 ↗ necessarily yeah

30:38 ↗ it's the total survey of metered okay

30:45 ↗ go ahead

30:46 ↗ but that's only City owned property

30:50 ↗ that's not private property account the

30:53 ↗ sidium doesn't have anything to do with

30:56 ↗ private property totally right

31:01 ↗ where we live I happen to live in an

31:04 ↗ apartment complex that has Ada markets

31:07 ↗ but that's I would believe that's never

31:10 ↗ been part of the account that's just one

31:13 ↗ tiny example but of the Ada

31:19 ↗ spaceless they name the library salmon

31:22 ↗ Hatcher is another those are all

31:26 ↗ public

31:28 ↗ salmon hatchery isn't belonged to the

31:30 ↗ city but that count is only city correct

31:33 ↗ is anybody private it's not state

31:37 ↗ it's it's

31:39 ↗ always shitty spaces City and on street

31:42 ↗ so it's not parking lots

31:45 ↗ let's go

31:49 ↗ I have just one other quick question and

31:51 ↗ I know this may come up

31:54 ↗ what's the cost of a compliant ramp one

31:57 ↗ ramp what's the cost

32:01 ↗ I came with that one in pocket

32:05 ↗ um so it is about fifteen thousand

32:07 ↗ dollars

32:08 ↗ one complaint for one compliant ramp so

32:11 ↗ if we were on the high side to replace

32:13 ↗ or improve all of the

32:16 ↗ 1400 and 98 non-compliant ramps across

32:19 ↗ the city it would cost over nearly 26

32:21 ↗ million

32:22 ↗ dollars uh you said 1498 when I did my

32:26 ↗ calculations

32:27 ↗ 473 were employed and 14.99 you're not a

32:32 ↗ compliant so you take that 14.99 times

32:35 ↗ fifteen thousand dollars that's a

32:38 ↗ significant chunk of change yeah

32:41 ↗ is that the same number if it's um

32:44 ↗ proving one versus uh like if there's an

32:48 ↗ existing curve versus

32:50 ↗ is that is that the cost for basically

32:52 ↗ there's there's no curb cut and to put

32:55 ↗ one in because I assume that's a little

32:57 ↗ higher than if you're building new

32:58 ↗ I can I have I actually have the Page

33:01 ↗ open with the exact breakdown of that

33:03 ↗ 15K but I would love to get through the

33:05 ↗ rest of the presentation yeah I've been

33:08 ↗ done in the past is each one may vary

33:10 ↗ depending on the slope of the street and

33:11 ↗ the grade that you're trying to match so

33:14 ↗ yeah that would be an average some are

33:16 ↗ going to cost a little bit more because

33:17 ↗ of the grades you're trying to match and

33:18 ↗ somewhere yeah

33:21 ↗ but at the end

33:24 ↗ are the criteria we're using to

33:26 ↗ determine which ramps we replace first

33:28 ↗ are the right criteria

33:30 ↗ so with that in mind I want to quickly

33:33 ↗ walk through these last two maps so we

33:34 ↗ can get to the discussion on the

33:35 ↗ criteria so again a little bit just a

33:38 ↗ little bit more background on where

33:39 ↗ we've been uh TSI also evaluated 53

33:42 ↗ intersections for us

33:44 ↗ um there were 10 other intersections

33:46 ↗ that were not evaluated because they are

33:48 ↗ a washjack jurisdiction of those 53 nine

33:51 ↗ intersections were 100 compliant when it

33:54 ↗ came to pedestrian single signals 44

33:57 ↗ have one or more non-compliant feature

34:00 ↗ but I think this speaks to what Dave has

34:02 ↗ mentioned is that there are a lot of

34:03 ↗ things that like they're sort of

34:04 ↗ compliant like we're compliant with the

34:06 ↗ old expectations or we have one element

34:08 ↗ that's there but not all of it

34:10 ↗ um so it's a work in progress

34:13 ↗ um and then we have 10

34:15 ↗ um 10 have non-aps

34:17 ↗ and then last thing I'll talk about

34:19 ↗ briefly rectangular rapid flashing

34:21 ↗ beacons so that would be um I think my

34:24 ↗ favorite one which is right in front of

34:25 ↗ City Hall when you press the button it

34:27 ↗ there are those

34:29 ↗ little rectangles they light up and they

34:31 ↗ send an extra signal to drivers and

34:34 ↗ these exist in mid-block Crossings so

34:37 ↗ the idea being someone is not

34:39 ↗ necessarily expecting to stop at a

34:40 ↗ mid-block

34:42 ↗ um

34:43 ↗ they evaluated 58 push buttons at Mid

34:45 ↗ block Crossings and in roundabouts

34:48 ↗ um and so this is a very hard map to see

34:50 ↗ but you can see in the very tiny blue

34:52 ↗ the places that we do have

34:54 ↗ um those mid block uh rrfes

34:59 ↗ um

35:01 ↗ priorities the prioritization criteria

35:05 ↗ currently the way we are thinking about

35:07 ↗ this and this has been a recommendation

35:09 ↗ from our consultant

35:11 ↗ um is that there are four main criteria

35:12 ↗ that we are using to determine the

35:15 ↗ priority of burial removal

35:18 ↗ the first is that the barrier is has

35:21 ↗ been identified it is part of an already

35:23 ↗ planned already funded project in the

35:26 ↗ CIP

35:26 ↗ top or part of the pavement management

35:30 ↗ plan we're planning on doing

35:31 ↗ improvements in an area we want to make

35:33 ↗ sure that we get all of

35:35 ↗ Olivers that are within that plan

35:37 ↗ second is that they are in proximity to

35:40 ↗ a likely

35:42 ↗ Ada destination or honestly just a high

35:44 ↗ traffic destination so a Transit Center

35:47 ↗ a grocery store or retail store schools

35:50 ↗ libraries the senior center is a big one

35:52 ↗ that has that we feel like is important

35:55 ↗ to have in this list you can also see CD

35:57 ↗ buildings post office medical clinics

36:00 ↗ hospitals pharmacies and parks and

36:02 ↗ trails those are the locations that

36:03 ↗ we're prioritizing in terms of proximity

36:06 ↗ to them that's not necessarily in any

36:08 ↗ order once in that bullet point no yeah

36:12 ↗ so just the idea of proximity to one of

36:15 ↗ these types of locations

36:17 ↗ three is that the grade or condition so

36:20 ↗ we walk through the things that are poor

36:22 ↗ very poor missing

36:24 ↗ um

36:24 ↗ big cracks slightly cracked

36:28 ↗ um the worse the condition the higher we

36:30 ↗ want to prioritize something if it is a

36:32 ↗ real big Hazard we want to make sure

36:33 ↗ that we're moving the bigger hazards

36:36 ↗ and then public feedback

36:37 ↗ um

36:38 ↗ this conversation today the open house

36:41 ↗ that we had the public survey that went

36:43 ↗ out

36:44 ↗ um public comment that's happened at

36:45 ↗ every meeting and then we also have a

36:47 ↗ grievance policy

36:49 ↗ um and procedure that people can submit

36:51 ↗ um through the city website agreements

36:53 ↗ for something they feel is out of

36:54 ↗ compliance

36:56 ↗ um

36:57 ↗ that gets us to the discussion part so

36:59 ↗ I'd be curious to hear and I'll go back

37:01 ↗ to those four so we can we can look at

37:03 ↗ them I'd love to get thoughts from this

37:06 ↗ group in particular does do these

37:08 ↗ criteria make sense this is these four

37:10 ↗ make sense and are there any exceptions

37:13 ↗ any things that just from your own

37:16 ↗ experience

37:17 ↗ as residents of the City of Issaquah

37:19 ↗ they're like this is an egregious uh

37:21 ↗ barrier that should be removed

37:23 ↗ regardless of where it would land

37:25 ↗ um when when prioritized through these

37:28 ↗ four

37:29 ↗ Turing

37:39 ↗ go ahead Micah I like the criteria

37:43 ↗ I mean I think that's a pretty good

37:45 ↗ order and the only thing that kind of

37:47 ↗ stood out to me is if you're doing an

37:49 ↗ open house and an open house is not

37:52 ↗ accessible then you may be selecting

37:56 ↗ your responses based on that

37:58 ↗ um but other than that

38:00 ↗ seems a pretty logical way to go about

38:02 ↗ it

38:03 ↗ we very intentionally had our open house

38:05 ↗ at Pickering Barn because it was the

38:06 ↗ most accessible building and had it as

38:08 ↗ hybrid so that people they might have

38:10 ↗ struggled with Mobility getting there

38:12 ↗ could join as well

38:16 ↗ as well uh yeah I'd agree a pretty

38:18 ↗ logical layoff as far as the priority

38:22 ↗ address the needs

38:26 ↗ seriously did you ever consider I know

38:30 ↗ you mentioned the senior center but what

38:33 ↗ about all those facilities that house

38:36 ↗ seniors like assisted living facilities

38:40 ↗ and that

38:42 ↗ issue I think that would be a priority

38:45 ↗ for those corruption or care facilities

38:49 ↗ oh is it

38:58 ↗ I heard both of us Tiffany typing so or

39:02 ↗ John was typing and I was writing so

39:04 ↗ I'll make sure that that gets added in

39:06 ↗ and clarified whether Senior Center and

39:09 ↗ career facilities Assisted Living feels

39:11 ↗ like an important

39:12 ↗ delineation there yeah

39:16 ↗ um

39:17 ↗ I I'm super interested in I think it

39:21 ↗ looks great and number one and number

39:22 ↗ two I guess okay I have a couple things

39:25 ↗ with the first priority I do think if

39:27 ↗ there's something particularly egregious

39:29 ↗ and it's on the CIP and I'm assuming you

39:32 ↗ mean the six-year not the longer one but

39:35 ↗ if something I obviously there's a

39:38 ↗ a lot of good reason to wait until the

39:40 ↗ project is completely redone and not you

39:42 ↗ know have to change and change again but

39:44 ↗ if it's particularly egregious it's

39:45 ↗ particularly high priority and it's way

39:47 ↗ low on the six year CIP I would think

39:50 ↗ maybe it could get

39:53 ↗ elevated

39:54 ↗ um if it were important I'm also really

39:57 ↗ really interested in this idea of like a

40:00 ↗ grievance or like how reliable

40:04 ↗ is that information are the people who

40:06 ↗ need it the most just typically not able

40:09 ↗ to figure out who to talk to and where

40:12 ↗ does that mean because I just I would

40:14 ↗ think if somebody's got a particular

40:16 ↗ morning routine and that's the one thing

40:19 ↗ and

40:20 ↗ you know you're hearing about it like

40:23 ↗ it's I don't know what percentage of our

40:26 ↗ um users I know this is about making

40:29 ↗ sure everybody has access and it's not

40:31 ↗ about how many but I am curious

40:35 ↗ um how well represent how how their

40:39 ↗ voice is how how much opportunity they

40:41 ↗ have to voice and whether that's

40:42 ↗ reliable or is it not very reliable

40:46 ↗ um because I would think

40:48 ↗ if people are having individual

40:50 ↗ experiences that would really move

40:51 ↗ things up in my mind unless you think

40:54 ↗ that it's just so underrepresented not

40:56 ↗ representative that it's

40:59 ↗ not fair all the people who just aren't

41:01 ↗ making those comments but desperately

41:02 ↗ need the same service but her friends

41:05 ↗ that are saying one person complain ten

41:06 ↗ times or ten people complaining about

41:08 ↗ this

41:10 ↗ yes but I'm also saying there may be 99

41:13 ↗ people that just have the same need but

41:16 ↗ we just don't hear from them

41:18 ↗ um that's when I'm wondering like how

41:20 ↗ reliable those individual grievances

41:23 ↗ you've called them but it seems to be

41:25 ↗ the people using the system are the ones

41:27 ↗ the most unless that voice is just so

41:30 ↗ just so not representative

41:32 ↗ does it it makes sense I think I think

41:34 ↗ what I hear you saying is like there's a

41:35 ↗ little bit of like a equity question in

41:38 ↗ terms of who's being heard who knows how

41:41 ↗ to voice the challenges they're facing

41:43 ↗ one thing that we've done recently this

41:46 ↗ is actually on the programmatic side but

41:47 ↗ I think addresses this which is

41:50 ↗ we added a category to c-click fix for

41:53 ↗ Ada concerns uh this came it came as

41:56 ↗ feedback actually at the open house that

41:58 ↗ hey it would be great when I'm out

42:00 ↗ walking with my parent like and we come

42:03 ↗ across a high Edge or we come across

42:05 ↗ some sort of barrier if we can just take

42:07 ↗ a picture of where it is and submit it

42:09 ↗ to the city directly and so that's

42:10 ↗ hopefully going to become another Avenue

42:12 ↗ for people to share but I do think the

42:16 ↗ I think like you know one of my

42:17 ↗ questions

42:18 ↗ is also how how aware are people that we

42:21 ↗ have those tools also for them to use I

42:23 ↗ think there's some questions around how

42:24 ↗ we could get the information out that

42:26 ↗ we're we're listening we'd like to we'd

42:29 ↗ like to crowdsource more of the higher

42:31 ↗ priority

42:33 ↗ or higher incidents I guess what I'm

42:34 ↗ saying is the people using the system

42:36 ↗ and finding it on you know finding the

42:38 ↗ barriers and facing literally facing the

42:40 ↗ barriers other ones that that voice is

42:42 ↗ super important you know

42:44 ↗ um

42:45 ↗ but it also just makes me wonder if

42:47 ↗ there's many that it may not be a good

42:49 ↗ enough criteria by itself because

42:51 ↗ they're maybe for everyone who voices in

42:54 ↗ my case hunter that don't have a chance

42:56 ↗ to but

42:57 ↗ um

42:58 ↗ anyway that was kind of the only thing

43:01 ↗ that I wanted to say

43:04 ↗ um yes thank you

43:07 ↗ I'm gonna be nitpicky open feedback I

43:12 ↗ would move that public comment slash

43:16 ↗ complaint

43:17 ↗ up to the first bullet under public

43:21 ↗ feedback

43:22 ↗ I was privy one day just came out of the

43:27 ↗ barber shop and a caboose when Maurice

43:30 ↗ had the Caboose

43:32 ↗ what my wife was walking from across the

43:36 ↗ street had to go down because we didn't

43:38 ↗ have a crosswalk and that liked them

43:41 ↗ yeah that was three years ago

43:44 ↗ and he had to cross in the middle of the

43:46 ↗ block

43:46 ↗ and I saw her and I waved and as soon as

43:50 ↗ I waved it was a sidewalk like this and

43:54 ↗ she just went damn

43:57 ↗ let me jump to the car I didn't want to

44:00 ↗ call an ambulance or run across the

44:02 ↗ street drove around put the fourways on

44:04 ↗ and sure enough she had to go to the

44:06 ↗ hospital and I took her right there that

44:08 ↗ comment complaint should have immediate

44:12 ↗ somebody in public works the next day

44:16 ↗ should go over and look at that sidewalk

44:18 ↗ and go you're right we need to uh sign

44:23 ↗ this thing and move it up on the when we

44:25 ↗ fix it because it it was

44:33 ↗ other people would have fallen it wasn't

44:36 ↗ just my wife so that's why I say public

44:41 ↗ comment slash complaint needs to move

44:44 ↗ them move that up it wasn't drift I was

44:47 ↗ something else or if it belonged on this

44:50 ↗ listed floor the individual

44:52 ↗ grievance or complaint or incident yeah

44:55 ↗ yeah I mean right now it

44:57 ↗ it's within four I do think however

45:01 ↗ um the thing with a with a grieving so

45:03 ↗ formally submitted revenge is the city

45:04 ↗ is required to take certain actions

45:06 ↗ pretty quickly so once someone submits

45:09 ↗ agreements we have 15 days by which to

45:11 ↗ arrange a conversation with them provide

45:14 ↗ answers for them and if they're

45:15 ↗ unsatisfied with that another 15 days

45:17 ↗ before the city administrator has to

45:18 ↗ arrange a conversation with them sit

45:21 ↗ down and meet with them I think there's

45:23 ↗ also just

45:25 ↗ a challenge on people knowing that

45:26 ↗ there's a process for that too which is

45:29 ↗ so I think it fits within that but once

45:31 ↗ you submit a grievance it actually

45:32 ↗ becomes much more of a of a legal issue

45:35 ↗ from the start

45:37 ↗ becomes a lawsuit

45:39 ↗ so that's not really included

45:43 ↗ I see it is and isn't like I think if

45:46 ↗ things have been if people have

45:47 ↗ submitted concerns before we're taking

45:49 ↗ that into account

45:50 ↗ but once you submit a legal grievance we

45:53 ↗ actually have to take particular legal

45:54 ↗ steps actually it doesn't it doesn't

45:56 ↗ lead to a diff it actually doesn't

45:58 ↗ legally bind the city to address that

46:01 ↗ item they just have to clarify the plan

46:04 ↗ for it

46:08 ↗ you mean Clara if there's a group I I

46:12 ↗ guess I'm missing something somewhere

46:14 ↗ you're you're totally not it is

46:16 ↗ something I learned about this week when

46:18 ↗ someone submitted their first grievance

46:19 ↗ and I had to go find out if the trail

46:22 ↗ going off of the new

46:26 ↗ Trail that's happening up in West

46:27 ↗ Highlands is is ADA Compliant or not it

46:30 ↗ turns out Trails aren't actually covered

46:32 ↗ in the Ada it's the ABA and it's a whole

46:35 ↗ different set of so the grievance

46:37 ↗ process it's a legal process so this is

46:39 ↗ a criteria that we're using to determine

46:41 ↗ hey what are the things that we

46:43 ↗ what are we gonna replace first what are

46:45 ↗ the barriers we're going to remove first

46:46 ↗ so if people have submitted grievances

46:49 ↗ as part of a public comment or a

46:51 ↗ complaint that's a thing that we're

46:53 ↗ going to take into account on we're

46:54 ↗ prioritizing barriers for removal

46:56 ↗ submitting a grievance does not require

46:59 ↗ the city to actually

47:01 ↗ fix whatever the issue is

47:04 ↗ that's a digestion yeah

47:06 ↗ um since our role here is to give

47:08 ↗ feedback on this project if under number

47:10 ↗ four you include some kind of language

47:13 ↗ that that captures

47:15 ↗ it's kind of ironic because you if you

47:18 ↗ submit a grievance it may or may not

47:19 ↗ make it into the plan you just have to

47:22 ↗ there's ways to address the plan one

47:24 ↗ thing that might capture this is known

47:26 ↗ repetitive Hazard areas and however it

47:29 ↗ becomes known

47:31 ↗ is either through grievances through

47:34 ↗ just emails through running into John at

47:38 ↗ the store you know like known

47:40 ↗ established grievances because I feel

47:42 ↗ like online service open house public

47:44 ↗ comment to me implies a formal you know

47:47 ↗ meeting and I think if we could add that

47:49 ↗ it just it's kind of a receptacle of a

47:52 ↗ bucket to put that to make sure we

47:55 ↗ collect that everything

47:58 ↗ yeah yeah

48:00 ↗ but that's from the analysis I'm talking

48:04 ↗ about things that people are I'm I'm

48:07 ↗ very interested in this idea of specific

48:09 ↗ people using the system and their

48:10 ↗ feedback and I just want to make sure

48:11 ↗ that's captured but that's I think I may

48:14 ↗ be wrong but I think we're talking about

48:16 ↗ two things one is keeping a complaint

48:17 ↗ about something and this is talking

48:19 ↗ about how we're going to fix it so the

48:21 ↗ complaints are all coming in this part

48:23 ↗ is the prioritization and I'm saying

48:26 ↗ that there's a lot of complaints whether

48:27 ↗ they're formal and legal and you know

48:29 ↗ come through that system or whether it's

48:31 ↗ something you you know you ran into him

48:33 ↗ and he said he just took his life for

48:34 ↗ the hospital like known incidents

48:38 ↗ and I think that my only issue is I

48:40 ↗ don't think it's in three because I

48:42 ↗ would assume three is more of an

48:43 ↗ analysis done by a consultant that's not

48:45 ↗ exactly living and breathing and you

48:47 ↗ know living and being updated

48:50 ↗ it's more interesting

48:52 ↗ feedback because

48:55 ↗ when somebody has an accident or sees a

48:58 ↗ problem

48:59 ↗ they let the city know and therefore

49:02 ↗ that's part of public figure

49:05 ↗ right yeah I'm just trying to be more

49:07 ↗ specific about

49:09 ↗ more

49:10 ↗ um a fifth way to know that isn't one of

49:13 ↗ those four bullet points so you're

49:15 ↗ you're saying it's a grievance

49:20 ↗ understand knowledge of a specific

49:23 ↗ and I think in any way it comes into

49:27 ↗ things

49:29 ↗ prioritization I'm saying if you keep

49:31 ↗ getting the same one

49:32 ↗ yeah yeah okay I'm sorry but Micah you

49:36 ↗ had something else all right I mean I

49:38 ↗ was just gonna say that I think if

49:39 ↗ you're getting a lot of cons it should

49:41 ↗ also Force this doesn't need to be on

49:43 ↗ this but it should force a reevaluation

49:45 ↗ of where it's being prioritized right

49:49 ↗ because if you're getting a lot of

49:50 ↗ comments it's probably actually in

49:53 ↗ proximity to something that you're not

49:54 ↗ thinking about so maybe it's just a

49:57 ↗ matter of when you're getting that you

49:59 ↗ need to go re-evaluate

50:01 ↗ where it is prioritized because it seems

50:05 ↗ like if people are going over it then it

50:08 ↗ should be

50:09 ↗ uh proximity would be the priority it

50:11 ↗ falls under where it's in poor condition

50:14 ↗ or it's important condition yeah

50:16 ↗ so I've got a question

50:19 ↗ yeah so

50:22 ↗ like the last one

50:24 ↗ this is what you're asking is this good

50:27 ↗ I say it's great

50:29 ↗ well it can even be better but it's

50:31 ↗ great

50:32 ↗ dude that's perfect that's to get us

50:36 ↗ there you might uh juggle that stuff

50:39 ↗ around in the center there I think this

50:41 ↗ is a a good way to make sure we're

50:44 ↗ prioritizing the barriers and and

50:47 ↗ getting them removed and truthfully I

50:50 ↗ think the complaints will will do it one

50:54 ↗ way or the other you'll either fix them

50:56 ↗ because there's a complaint or a lawyer

50:59 ↗ will be visiting you with papers and uh

51:02 ↗ but I think that's I'm looking at 650

51:06 ↗ here and I'm saying yep that's what you

51:09 ↗ want great

51:11 ↗ well do the minutia in the middle but I

51:15 ↗ think that's great that's what I want

51:16 ↗ you guys all agree yeah okay go ahead

51:20 ↗ okay so as the person is going to

51:22 ↗ implement yes this I have a question

51:25 ↗ now it's one thing for a tripping Hazard

51:27 ↗ because

51:28 ↗ besides the Ada violation there is the

51:32 ↗ broken wrist and the cling and so that's

51:35 ↗ pretty

51:36 ↗ I'm going to put that in its own

51:39 ↗ category in the time I've been with the

51:41 ↗ city we've never once gotten a complaint

51:43 ↗ that we haven't

51:45 ↗ a curb ramp that does not meet standard

51:47 ↗ or a pedestrian push button that does

51:49 ↗ not meet standard but I want to play

51:51 ↗ through the hypothetical uh we get one

51:53 ↗ complaint and it's someone with a

51:57 ↗ Mobility disability just hypothetical

51:59 ↗ and

52:02 ↗ that is on their route and it doesn't

52:05 ↗ fit under the category of

52:08 ↗ number two and it's not on a project

52:12 ↗ as an Advisory Board and I've got an

52:15 ↗ opinion on what I would want to do but I

52:17 ↗ want your opinion should that one move

52:20 ↗ up knowing that there is someone with a

52:23 ↗ disability who's actually using that

52:25 ↗ route that's not trying to get it there

52:28 ↗ and I would say yes if you like it and I

52:30 ↗ get that and then I say yes it should

52:32 ↗ move on the severity of it will make it

52:35 ↗ move up how do we describe that though

52:37 ↗ in writing so it's clear

52:39 ↗ so the counter view to that I think that

52:44 ↗ that and this is why I said should

52:46 ↗ require reevaluation

52:48 ↗ I don't think it should automatically

52:50 ↗ move up because I what I don't want to

52:52 ↗ happen if we just look outside of the

52:55 ↗ City of Issaquah typically cities here

52:58 ↗ governments here from a very small group

53:00 ↗ of people okay any topic right

53:04 ↗ um and so what I wouldn't want to have

53:07 ↗ happened is

53:09 ↗ we are

53:10 ↗ prioritizing out prioritizing things

53:13 ↗ that have a larger impact because we

53:15 ↗ have one voice

53:16 ↗ right that may actually be a really

53:19 ↗ impactful one and so that's where I

53:20 ↗ think that it should be a re-evaluate

53:23 ↗ not a jump just go straight to jump the

53:26 ↗ line

53:27 ↗ the outcome could be the same

53:29 ↗ right you may go yeah this is actually

53:31 ↗ this says proximity to something we

53:33 ↗ didn't think about

53:35 ↗ but I just don't want to turn this into

53:38 ↗ a okay well we have our whole plan

53:40 ↗ because what it's going to cost more if

53:41 ↗ you reorder stuff around

53:44 ↗ yeah and that could be just one places

53:47 ↗ somebody you know someone who is uh

53:52 ↗ in somewhat immobile

53:55 ↗ where they live perhaps it's one

53:58 ↗ individual

54:00 ↗ um sidewalk and not as many people use

54:02 ↗ it

54:04 ↗ the tricky part of it is Ada is not

54:06 ↗ about

54:07 ↗ you know cost efficiency for you know

54:10 ↗ per user the way you might you know it's

54:13 ↗ it's about making sure every being

54:16 ↗ inclusive so I Think It's Tricky I do

54:18 ↗ think that I could live with your

54:19 ↗ suggestion which is reevaluate and maybe

54:22 ↗ uh yeah you could spend a fortune

54:24 ↗ redoing something and that was a good

54:26 ↗ move in the next month so I I do think

54:28 ↗ that reevaluate is probably appropriate

54:30 ↗ but that was kind of what I was getting

54:32 ↗ at is your question and

54:35 ↗ um

54:36 ↗ I'm seeing a lot of nodding about

54:37 ↗ reevaluated and I also know we're

54:39 ↗ starting to fall behind

54:41 ↗ um does anyone have anything else to add

54:42 ↗ that you think will take it in a

54:44 ↗ different direction and do you have any

54:45 ↗ questions do you have any questions that

54:47 ↗ you think we haven't got okay

54:51 ↗ what she needs

54:53 ↗ exactly what I need

54:55 ↗ I'm going to suggest

54:58 ↗ Ed apart so I actually want to come back

55:00 ↗ to tab to talk about I want to move you

55:02 ↗ have a five minute thing because I think

55:04 ↗ we probably all have a couple of ideas

55:05 ↗ and then we're just going to squeeze

55:07 ↗ Thomas just a little bit okay I don't

55:09 ↗ have a chair on board tonight is that

55:11 ↗ okay that's totally fine it might be

55:13 ↗ easy if you have some quick ideas that

55:15 ↗ will be great and I will still probably

55:17 ↗ come back okay oh one week but I would

55:19 ↗ love to get input on the front end

55:21 ↗ around public reporting if you have

55:22 ↗ thoughts but maybe you might have

55:24 ↗ something before we move to that I mean

55:27 ↗ I I was just gonna say I don't have

55:29 ↗ anything on that because I feel like I'm

55:30 ↗ not qualified to do to help you with

55:33 ↗ that I think you need to go and

55:35 ↗ talk to people who you're not reaching

55:37 ↗ which is obviously a challenge

55:39 ↗ but I mean I can

55:43 ↗ oh and use thing on the website and not

55:46 ↗ everyone can so how can I I can't advise

55:50 ↗ I don't

55:52 ↗ which is totally fair I think that this

55:56 ↗ is this is always the tension in coming

55:58 ↗ and asking for a brainstorm of ideas

56:00 ↗ versus giving me feedback on a plan I

56:02 ↗ already have

56:03 ↗ um because I'm not really asking you to

56:04 ↗ advise so much as be a co-conspirator

56:06 ↗ and on the idea side of things and so I

56:09 ↗ think that's that's totally fair

56:12 ↗ um and I'm also happy to take two

56:15 ↗ minutes and get any quick thoughts but

56:17 ↗ I'm also happy to come back

56:19 ↗ so

56:21 ↗ I

56:23 ↗ um read this question as I Was preparing

56:25 ↗ and I think it's always really really

56:27 ↗ hard and I think that we should put an

56:30 ↗ appropriate amount of energy into this I

56:32 ↗ don't think we should I don't think

56:34 ↗ anyone ever feels like they've

56:36 ↗ nailed it on these things

56:38 ↗ um but I did have one

56:45 ↗ figure that out but it is really it's

56:48 ↗ it's really challenging and I think no

56:50 ↗ matter there's no way to do it great

56:52 ↗ it's just never you'd have to put so

56:54 ↗ much resources into it but it did occur

56:56 ↗ to me that on site if there was um sort

57:00 ↗ of signage that was I don't want to call

57:03 ↗ it marketing but you know something

57:04 ↗ that's not

57:05 ↗ um something that's just promoting and

57:08 ↗ giving people a moment to stop and think

57:10 ↗ and maybe a QR code if you want to look

57:12 ↗ at the plan but you know the first time

57:14 ↗ I heard one of those things saying

57:15 ↗ Southeast 56 Crossing now I'm like what

57:18 ↗ is that and I I was a little bit so

57:22 ↗ maybe some kind of every now and again

57:24 ↗ you have like I see this word on the

57:25 ↗ street or whatever just something so the

57:27 ↗ people in the moment and it's it's gonna

57:30 ↗ be pretty anecdotal it'll just be kind

57:32 ↗ of

57:33 ↗ um yes I could get a tremendous amount

57:35 ↗ of reach but it might be kind of

57:38 ↗ interesting to put it at certain key

57:41 ↗ locations and if you can find something

57:43 ↗ that looks okay and you can weather the

57:44 ↗ you know

57:46 ↗ um rain it would be kind of nice for

57:48 ↗ people who are using the system to view

57:50 ↗ build some awareness

57:52 ↗ yeah and people that might not have

57:53 ↗ awareness of these mobility issues

57:56 ↗ you've ever wondered why this thing

57:57 ↗ makes noise

57:58 ↗ I mean learning about uh those yellow

58:01 ↗ rumble strips everything I've learned

58:03 ↗ about them in the last six months

58:04 ↗ amazing

58:05 ↗ but if you want to come back you can but

58:07 ↗ I don't know that we're gonna be an

58:09 ↗ awesome resource I think it's just a

58:11 ↗ challenge and I bet

58:12 ↗ every single thing we see every any City

58:15 ↗ ever tries to do to get their citizens

58:17 ↗ engaged it's

58:19 ↗ it's hard to do it really totally fair

58:21 ↗ totally good question

58:24 ↗ great oh yeah good point because like I

58:27 ↗ mean when you when I was reading this

58:29 ↗ ahead of time I was thinking oh color

58:31 ↗ coded map and you're like pointed out

58:34 ↗ that you know you're colorblind that may

58:37 ↗ not be a good option it's like oh my God

58:39 ↗ right so it's like I can't help

58:44 ↗ with what I don't know

58:47 ↗ um but I think that when we have a board

58:49 ↗ who's

58:50 ↗ as the Human Services also equity and

58:54 ↗ Human Services yeah yeah

58:58 ↗ okay great I am uh called it here then

59:01 ↗ hi nice to meet you thank you for coming

59:03 ↗ out just in case you're interested in

59:05 ↗ watching this as it progresses

59:07 ↗ um we've got the final drafting coming

59:09 ↗ up in the coming month I will go to

59:10 ↗ council Committee in September and then

59:12 ↗ hopefully uh to full Council for

59:14 ↗ approval at the end of October don't be

59:17 ↗ strangers and there is as we talked

59:19 ↗ about today we could be at your Council

59:21 ↗ committee

59:24 ↗ in case the question came up

59:27 ↗ what what did we think

59:32 ↗ oh

59:33 ↗ pleasure being here and

59:36 ↗ here and thank you thank you

59:38 ↗ quick comment today is the 33rd

59:42 ↗ anniversary of the signing of the

59:43 ↗ Americans with Disabilities actually it

59:46 ↗ was an appropriate day to be here

59:50 ↗ yeah me too for you folks that are

59:53 ↗ younger

59:54 ↗ um I want to tell you uh watching it in

59:58 ↗ transportation over the years how things

1:00:02 ↗ changed sometimes quickly sometimes

1:00:04 ↗ slowly

1:00:06 ↗ um it's amazing we are where we are at

1:00:09 ↗ today uh my

1:00:13 ↗ close Transportation with buses and how

1:00:17 ↗ it used to be and I go way back to the

1:00:20 ↗ 50s when I first started driving a bus

1:00:22 ↗ and I retired in 2015. those Ada changes

1:00:27 ↗ that I saw over those years

1:00:30 ↗ significant

1:00:32 ↗ training when

1:00:34 ↗ and the money

1:00:35 ↗ just the ramps is fascinating to me and

1:00:39 ↗ watching that changing anyway

1:00:41 ↗ um

1:00:42 ↗ so I appreciate that so I can use this

1:00:45 ↗ to use my brother who's actually turned

1:00:47 ↗ in 70 today

1:00:55 ↗ thank you all right thank you uh with

1:00:58 ↗ that

1:00:59 ↗ um there's no further Ado we'll turn it

1:01:00 ↗ over to Thomas in about

1:01:11 ↗ my notes here that I am bound to so he's

1:01:14 ↗ gonna move through the slides and I will

1:01:17 ↗ just talk about it but feel free to ask

1:01:19 ↗ any questions as I go through

1:01:22 ↗ next slide please

1:01:25 ↗ uh so the purpose today is really to

1:01:28 ↗ provide a background on linked light

1:01:31 ↗ rails so that we are prepared for future

1:01:33 ↗ discussions over the next couple years

1:01:36 ↗ um the city will be developing some

1:01:38 ↗ planning programs that are related to

1:01:41 ↗ Link light rail so this is really just

1:01:42 ↗ like the foundational information for

1:01:45 ↗ that

1:01:46 ↗ uh to begin our discussion I'll just

1:01:49 ↗ provide a background on uh how the city

1:01:54 ↗ has been preparing for light rail

1:01:56 ↗ um I'll talk about some Regional

1:01:58 ↗ planning that has been done

1:02:01 ↗ um I will touch on st3 the Sound Transit

1:02:04 ↗ 3 ballot initiative from 2016. uh some

1:02:09 ↗ of you were here I'm sure in voted on

1:02:13 ↗ that ballot measure

1:02:15 ↗ I'll talk about the light rail extension

1:02:17 ↗ which is part of st3 so the Kirkland to

1:02:20 ↗ this Spotlight rail station that will be

1:02:24 ↗ sort of relative to that

1:02:26 ↗ I'll talk about the ways that the city

1:02:28 ↗ can positively influence this project

1:02:31 ↗ and I'll talk about next steps

1:02:37 ↗ so this is just some

1:02:39 ↗ very background information I think will

1:02:42 ↗ be helpful for future discussions

1:02:44 ↗ uh so first I'll be introducing the idea

1:02:48 ↗ of a regional growth Center

1:02:50 ↗ so this is related to the division the

1:02:54 ↗ long range vision for the region so you

1:02:58 ↗ know this encompasses King uh Kitsap

1:03:01 ↗ Fierce and Snohomish Counties So within

1:03:05 ↗ our region there's a long-range plan

1:03:09 ↗ looking out all the way to 2050 so

1:03:12 ↗ really really long range

1:03:15 ↗ it's expected that there will be a lot

1:03:17 ↗ of growth in this region

1:03:20 ↗ um relative to 2018 we're expecting a 42

1:03:24 ↗ increase in population

1:03:26 ↗ and a 36 increase in jobs

1:03:33 ↗ in the region yep yeah so

1:03:37 ↗ uh I am I am part of that I used to live

1:03:39 ↗ in California now I live here so that's

1:03:41 ↗ just sort of an example of the regional

1:03:44 ↗ growth that's happening in Seattle

1:03:47 ↗ uh and so

1:03:50 ↗ understanding that there is a lot of

1:03:52 ↗ growth that is happening uh in the next

1:03:55 ↗ you know 30 years one of the core

1:03:58 ↗ strategies regionally is to consolidate

1:04:02 ↗ that growth into regional growth centers

1:04:04 ↗ so the idea is that regional growth

1:04:07 ↗ centers are more dense than the other

1:04:10 ↗ areas

1:04:11 ↗ and they will be very Urban uh and will

1:04:16 ↗ be served by high capacity Transit so

1:04:19 ↗ Transit is really there to support the

1:04:22 ↗ density of jobs houses services that are

1:04:27 ↗ available in the regional growth Center

1:04:29 ↗ area

1:04:30 ↗ and across the across the region there's

1:04:33 ↗ there's many I think there's like 39

1:04:35 ↗ established uh regional growth centers

1:04:38 ↗ rgcs

1:04:40 ↗ um and Issaquah Highlands sorry Issaquah

1:04:43 ↗ um Central Esquire is is the Issaquah um

1:04:46 ↗ regional growth Center

1:04:48 ↗ so that is just some background

1:04:51 ↗ information on how the region is

1:04:54 ↗ managing its growth to make sure that we

1:04:57 ↗ can accommodate the growth in a very

1:05:00 ↗ measured way

1:05:02 ↗ so

1:05:04 ↗ uh the city has been practically

1:05:07 ↗ planning for this growth for decades

1:05:09 ↗ um this is a map of Central Issaquah and

1:05:13 ↗ that green area is the regional growth

1:05:15 ↗ Center

1:05:17 ↗ um

1:05:18 ↗ and so the city is making sure that

1:05:22 ↗ growth is accommodated and career and

1:05:25 ↗ encouraged in a way that is reflective

1:05:28 ↗ of the community's vision goals and so

1:05:31 ↗ we are aligned with the the region we

1:05:35 ↗ also have our own views on how things

1:05:37 ↗ should go and so in 2012 the city

1:05:41 ↗ adopted the central Issaquah plan which

1:05:45 ↗ establishes a vision long term for the

1:05:49 ↗ uh for the growth of this neighborhood

1:05:52 ↗ the division is essentially a livable

1:05:55 ↗ sustainable balance and mixed-use urban

1:05:59 ↗ area

1:06:00 ↗ um so that's 2012.

1:06:03 ↗ um

1:06:06 ↗ shortly after adoption in 2015 the city

1:06:09 ↗ uh partnered with psrc who is the the

1:06:15 ↗ regional

1:06:18 ↗ Metropolitan planning organization that

1:06:20 ↗ that helps uh you know create that

1:06:23 ↗ long-range vision for the region the

1:06:25 ↗ city partnered with psrc to get this

1:06:28 ↗ green area

1:06:30 ↗ uh

1:06:32 ↗ designated as a urban uh regional growth

1:06:36 ↗ Center so this is all just foundational

1:06:39 ↗ knowledge to say that uh in Issaquah we

1:06:44 ↗ want

1:06:44 ↗ a significant amount of growth to happen

1:06:47 ↗ in that region and primarily in that

1:06:50 ↗ region so we're funneling our growth in

1:06:53 ↗ that area and give you numbers for that

1:06:57 ↗ uh 78 of population growth city-wide and

1:07:02 ↗ 64 of jobs were hoping to put in that

1:07:07 ↗ area

1:07:10 ↗ between 2018 and 2050 that's the number

1:07:17 ↗ so next slide please thanks

1:07:19 ↗ um so that's just

1:07:21 ↗ where we're at so we're now at 2016. so

1:07:25 ↗ kind of continuing this discussion

1:07:27 ↗ through through time of how the city's

1:07:29 ↗ been planning for growth

1:07:31 ↗ um

1:07:33 ↗ so in 2016 many of you are here uh about

1:07:36 ↗ measure was approved which provides

1:07:39 ↗ funding for the expansion of the

1:07:41 ↗ regional mass transit system that we

1:07:44 ↗ have here this also includes uh the

1:07:48 ↗ project that we are we have been sort of

1:07:50 ↗ alluding to throughout the transit study

1:07:53 ↗ the the line four project which is the

1:07:56 ↗ South Kirkland to Issaquah Link light

1:07:59 ↗ rail line

1:08:00 ↗ um is part of that package it was

1:08:02 ↗ approved in 2016. and it is uh st3 has

1:08:07 ↗ been

1:08:08 ↗ funneling money towards other

1:08:10 ↗ improvements that have been happening

1:08:11 ↗ around the region so

1:08:14 ↗ um issaquah's designation as a regional

1:08:17 ↗ growth Center within Central Issaquah

1:08:19 ↗ that position Issaquah

1:08:21 ↗ to receive light rail that we will be

1:08:24 ↗ receiving in the 2040s

1:08:26 ↗ um so the designation helps the city get

1:08:30 ↗ on long-range Regional plans

1:08:32 ↗ um being on the plans and able to be uh

1:08:38 ↗ a candidate within sound transit three

1:08:40 ↗ it was approved and now we are

1:08:43 ↗ basically where we're at today

1:08:46 ↗ um and we are now able to talk about how

1:08:50 ↗ we can bring this uh high capacity

1:08:53 ↗ transit to Issaquah

1:08:55 ↗ I said please

1:08:57 ↗ and this is that that map

1:09:00 ↗ of the four line that we can expect

1:09:04 ↗ from the 2040s and where it starts out

1:09:07 ↗ in South Kirkland goes through Bellevue

1:09:10 ↗ out towards Eastgate and then out to

1:09:14 ↗ centralized Squad

1:09:16 ↗ excellent

1:09:19 ↗ and this is the project uh phasing

1:09:23 ↗ that's how Transit uses so this is sort

1:09:25 ↗ of as we're as we're looking long term

1:09:28 ↗ towards where this project will go we

1:09:30 ↗ can sort of use this as a template for

1:09:32 ↗ creating a strategy moving forward

1:09:36 ↗ so to the right here we can see start of

1:09:38 ↗ service uh

1:09:41 ↗ and this this is all I will preface this

1:09:44 ↗ these are assumptions that the city is

1:09:45 ↗ making we haven't received any uh formal

1:09:49 ↗ uh

1:09:51 ↗ timelines from Sound Transit but

1:09:53 ↗ because we're being proactive here with

1:09:55 ↗ trying to create a strategy for the city

1:09:58 ↗ um this is sort of what we're

1:10:00 ↗ we're looking at this is like how a

1:10:03 ↗ typical project would go and from this

1:10:05 ↗ we can sort of estimate a strategy

1:10:08 ↗ moving forward

1:10:09 ↗ so

1:10:11 ↗ as we can see uh you know 2041 is the

1:10:15 ↗ year that sound transit is hoping to

1:10:18 ↗ provide service it's possible that the

1:10:21 ↗ service could be delayed a couple years

1:10:23 ↗ uh all the way up to 2044 potentially uh

1:10:27 ↗ depending on if funding assumptions uh

1:10:30 ↗ changed from when it was approved in

1:10:32 ↗ 2016.

1:10:34 ↗ but working our way backwards towards uh

1:10:37 ↗ and you can see on this slide there's

1:10:39 ↗ some time time associated with each step

1:10:42 ↗ so accounting for testing operations

1:10:45 ↗ construction final design uh and

1:10:49 ↗ planning uh we're essentially looking at

1:10:53 ↗ a

1:10:55 ↗ potential 2027

1:10:58 ↗ um start time for planning so that is

1:11:02 ↗ actually

1:11:03 ↗ coming up pretty soon and there's a lot

1:11:05 ↗ of things that the city can do to impact

1:11:09 ↗ how this plays out so we are in a good

1:11:13 ↗ position now to start talking about that

1:11:16 ↗ so that we're ready for those

1:11:18 ↗ conversations

1:11:19 ↗ in as early as 2027.

1:11:26 ↗ um so yes thanks

1:11:29 ↗ um so

1:11:31 ↗ sort of talking about ways that the city

1:11:34 ↗ can

1:11:35 ↗ take advantage of this uh timing

1:11:39 ↗ um

1:11:41 ↗ we have five ideas on how we can

1:11:44 ↗ positively positively influence the

1:11:46 ↗ project and these are ideas that were

1:11:48 ↗ developed uh

1:11:50 ↗ the consultant interviews with peer

1:11:54 ↗ cities that are currently working

1:11:55 ↗ through the Sound Transit process these

1:11:58 ↗ were also developed using

1:12:01 ↗ um

1:12:01 ↗ Knowledge from other other cities across

1:12:05 ↗ the the country that follow a same

1:12:08 ↗ funding structure

1:12:11 ↗ and so these are these are five ideas

1:12:13 ↗ that we have that uh I was just gonna

1:12:15 ↗ share for background information as we

1:12:18 ↗ think about

1:12:19 ↗ um how the city can start to create a

1:12:22 ↗ vision and goals for a uh a light rail

1:12:25 ↗ station area

1:12:27 ↗ um so

1:12:29 ↗ the first one was just developing that

1:12:31 ↗ vision and goals and then making sure

1:12:33 ↗ that we can stick with that so we want

1:12:36 ↗ to make sure that the vision and goals

1:12:38 ↗ that we create is developed with the

1:12:40 ↗ community it's not something that we're

1:12:42 ↗ just going to develop in a vacuum so we

1:12:44 ↗ want to get some good feedback on that

1:12:46 ↗ Division and goals should uh then sort

1:12:50 ↗ of steer the ship if that makes sense so

1:12:53 ↗ we want to make sure that uh

1:12:55 ↗ it's not anybody but the community that

1:12:59 ↗ is deciding like how light rails should

1:13:02 ↗ should be provided to the city

1:13:05 ↗ um

1:13:07 ↗ developing the station locations and

1:13:10 ↗ alignments should be aligned with those

1:13:11 ↗ goals right so if if we have a goal uh

1:13:15 ↗ of something we want to make sure that

1:13:18 ↗ the way that Services provided and the

1:13:21 ↗ way that the um

1:13:23 ↗ the rail line uh is is getting here is

1:13:26 ↗ going to be aligned with uh Community

1:13:28 ↗ Values

1:13:30 ↗ uh other other things we can do is uh

1:13:33 ↗ developing strong Partnerships with

1:13:35 ↗ Sound Transit uh to make sure that uh

1:13:38 ↗ the project runs efficiently

1:13:40 ↗ um that can there's a lot of Permitting

1:13:43 ↗ uh that happens through the city

1:13:45 ↗ um so making sure that uh you know City

1:13:48 ↗ processes

1:13:49 ↗ um and then there's some interagency

1:13:51 ↗ sort of Partnerships that can be

1:13:53 ↗ developed it's going to be really

1:13:55 ↗ important

1:13:57 ↗ uh project monitoring monitoring that's

1:14:00 ↗ just with any sort of project management

1:14:01 ↗ you want to make sure that there's

1:14:03 ↗ ongoing Communications and that there's

1:14:06 ↗ some efficiencies that can be made

1:14:08 ↗ and then lastly wanted to touch on some

1:14:12 ↗ uh the idea of a Transit supportive land

1:14:15 ↗ use policy

1:14:18 ↗ next slide please

1:14:20 ↗ and so sort of talking about like what

1:14:22 ↗ that is

1:14:23 ↗ um

1:14:25 ↗ when we think about being Transit

1:14:27 ↗ supportive these are things that we can

1:14:28 ↗ that the city can do given that we're

1:14:31 ↗ not providing the kinds of service these

1:14:34 ↗ are some things that we can do to help

1:14:35 ↗ uh

1:14:38 ↗ enable Light Rail to meet those visions

1:14:40 ↗ and goals

1:14:42 ↗ um some of the Hallmarks of a

1:14:44 ↗ transistoric community are really

1:14:48 ↗ providing the density so that's uh as we

1:14:52 ↗ if you can read those words up there

1:14:53 ↗ these are sort of like

1:14:55 ↗ um

1:14:56 ↗ buzzwords that sort of encapsulate most

1:14:58 ↗ of the ideas of what it means to be a

1:15:00 ↗ transported station area

1:15:02 ↗ so

1:15:04 ↗ a light rail station is really

1:15:06 ↗ connecting a major destination right so

1:15:09 ↗ the fact that it's been planned for

1:15:12 ↗ Central Issaquah makes sense because

1:15:14 ↗ that's where the density is

1:15:16 ↗ um Light Rail is obviously expensive to

1:15:19 ↗ implement but if you're connecting a

1:15:22 ↗ dense area with other dense areas that

1:15:25 ↗ that sort of crease that efficiency

1:15:26 ↗ there

1:15:27 ↗ within the station areas we're on the

1:15:30 ↗ second deed the distance

1:15:32 ↗ is typically a walkable sort of area so

1:15:36 ↗ it's really really important that

1:15:39 ↗ pedestrians and other non-motorized

1:15:42 ↗ vehicles can like easily access the

1:15:44 ↗ station area

1:15:46 ↗ the design is also supposed to be you

1:15:49 ↗ know really walkable and really

1:15:50 ↗ comfortable if you're just getting off

1:15:53 ↗ light rail or you know approaching it

1:15:56 ↗ um

1:15:58 ↗ the fourth D here is the building form

1:16:00 ↗ and massing so uh you know you need the

1:16:03 ↗ density to support uh having other uses

1:16:07 ↗ in the area

1:16:08 ↗ um

1:16:09 ↗ you want to make it attractive for

1:16:11 ↗ people to actually uh be in that area

1:16:14 ↗ uh there's a diversity of uses So within

1:16:18 ↗ the station area you know we can think

1:16:20 ↗ of a lot of you know restaurants or like

1:16:23 ↗ places to work or places to live like a

1:16:26 ↗ lot of different diversity of housing

1:16:28 ↗ just like a lot of options

1:16:31 ↗ all right and then the last D is demand

1:16:34 ↗ uh management and we can think of that

1:16:37 ↗ as ways to support Transit and maybe

1:16:42 ↗ discourage other

1:16:44 ↗ non-essential trips that are used uh

1:16:47 ↗ using a car so

1:16:50 ↗ um within the context of where you're at

1:16:52 ↗ just keeping that into consideration

1:16:55 ↗ um

1:16:56 ↗ within the design

1:16:58 ↗ so

1:16:59 ↗ this is all just some background

1:17:00 ↗ information to consider as we

1:17:03 ↗ as we go through the visioning exercises

1:17:04 ↗ in the future so go to the next slide

1:17:07 ↗ please

1:17:09 ↗ um so

1:17:10 ↗ just wanted to provide that background

1:17:12 ↗ information uh to keep in your back

1:17:14 ↗ pocket as we consider visioning and

1:17:17 ↗ goals for the Light Rail station

1:17:20 ↗ um at the next tab meeting I'll be

1:17:22 ↗ presenting some approaches that we are

1:17:25 ↗ thinking about as we develop the

1:17:27 ↗ community's vision and goals but we

1:17:30 ↗ really see the the visioning process as

1:17:32 ↗ being the first step of many

1:17:35 ↗ um understanding that the vision and

1:17:36 ↗ goals should ultimately dictate

1:17:39 ↗ everything from Light Rail station

1:17:41 ↗ location

1:17:43 ↗ um how the how the line is going to be

1:17:45 ↗ positioned as it comes to the community

1:17:48 ↗ all the land use policies that that

1:17:50 ↗ would sort of be facilitating of a light

1:17:55 ↗ rail station so really the vision and

1:17:58 ↗ goals is sort of the high level

1:18:01 ↗ information that will help uh

1:18:04 ↗ get us to the point where uh Sound

1:18:08 ↗ Transit is ready to talk about the

1:18:11 ↗ Alternatives analysis and the city

1:18:13 ↗ should have

1:18:14 ↗ a preferred

1:18:17 ↗ alignment and station location that is

1:18:20 ↗ developed based on the vision and goals

1:18:24 ↗ foreign

1:18:28 ↗ I'm happy to answer any questions if you

1:18:30 ↗ have

1:18:31 ↗ um

1:18:35 ↗ go ahead

1:18:37 ↗ uh so let's make another community of

1:18:40 ↗ vision and goals for light rail station

1:18:43 ↗ and that's going to be the discussion

1:18:44 ↗ for

1:18:45 ↗ another presentation or more information

1:18:47 ↗ or discussions

1:18:49 ↗ session yeah so uh what I'm hoping to

1:18:52 ↗ get from the next tab meeting is uh some

1:18:55 ↗ about some ideas off of this group uh

1:18:58 ↗ you know understanding that a

1:19:01 ↗ community-led process of developing

1:19:04 ↗ Vision goals it should be pretty

1:19:06 ↗ wide beyond the tab maybe maybe other

1:19:10 ↗ Boardman commissions getting some good

1:19:12 ↗ feedback because this is a pretty big

1:19:14 ↗ project

1:19:16 ↗ um It's Gonna Change a lot of things so

1:19:20 ↗ we need to get some good feedback

1:19:22 ↗ um so I'm hoping to approach the tab at

1:19:25 ↗ the next meeting

1:19:27 ↗ provide some ideas of how we

1:19:30 ↗ think we could approach uh developing

1:19:32 ↗ that vision and goals and seeing if you

1:19:34 ↗ have any feedback to help us improve

1:19:36 ↗ that idea

1:19:41 ↗ another question

1:19:43 ↗ um

1:19:43 ↗ approximately when do you think the

1:19:47 ↗ alignment question

1:19:49 ↗ would need to be or ideally you'd be

1:19:52 ↗ answered

1:19:55 ↗ so

1:19:56 ↗ our best guess

1:19:59 ↗ is that as early as 2027

1:20:03 ↗ and probably as late as 33.

1:20:06 ↗ that will be the time in the planning

1:20:08 ↗ phase The Sound Transit

1:20:10 ↗ if it's a very squiggly timeline we just

1:20:14 ↗ don't have enough information

1:20:16 ↗ um but it's better to be prepared if it

1:20:20 ↗ comes earlier

1:20:21 ↗ it seems I can think of all kinds of

1:20:23 ↗ reasons why we would want to know

1:20:25 ↗ where

1:20:27 ↗ we could and then we'd want to start

1:20:28 ↗ laying the frame the framework the land

1:20:30 ↗ use the yeah just Street network of all

1:20:33 ↗ those things start

1:20:35 ↗ pre-building those in where it seems

1:20:37 ↗ like it makes sense right and I'll

1:20:39 ↗ preface I'll go back to what I just said

1:20:40 ↗ that is when the process would start for

1:20:44 ↗ um Alternatives analysis

1:20:49 ↗ it

1:20:53 ↗ because that's when the Alternatives

1:20:54 ↗ analysis would potentially begin as

1:20:56 ↗ early as that it could be later

1:20:58 ↗ depending on if there's funding

1:21:01 ↗ um sort of structures that need to be

1:21:03 ↗ adjusted

1:21:04 ↗ um

1:21:11 ↗ yeah so

1:21:15 ↗ the construction would be like in the

1:21:17 ↗ mid to late 30s well being 97 years of

1:21:21 ↗ age I wonder if I really should give a

1:21:23 ↗ rats to Young

1:21:25 ↗ that you know that that's a fair that's

1:21:28 ↗ a fair thing I've heard

1:21:30 ↗ um yeah you can think of it as being

1:21:33 ↗ helpful for for others

1:21:37 ↗ this has got nothing to do with the

1:21:39 ↗ alignment but the development as you you

1:21:42 ↗ probably don't know I drove for King

1:21:45 ↗ County Metro

1:21:46 ↗ and prior to King County Metro there was

1:21:49 ↗ a company called Metropolitan transit so

1:21:53 ↗ I drove electrical Transit

1:21:55 ↗ got drafted in the Army came back went

1:21:59 ↗ back to work for King County Metro

1:22:02 ↗ and then retired

1:22:05 ↗ um

1:22:06 ↗ I've seen all

1:22:08 ↗ kinds of development

1:22:10 ↗ my major

1:22:13 ↗ concern right now

1:22:15 ↗ is

1:22:18 ↗ Safety and Security of

1:22:21 ↗ individual users of the transit system

1:22:25 ↗ I'm very very concerned about that

1:22:30 ↗ and this is not something we should be

1:22:33 ↗ talking about later

1:22:34 ↗ this is something we need to be talking

1:22:36 ↗ about

1:22:39 ↗ um

1:22:40 ↗ and then the things that come in me to

1:22:43 ↗ the development

1:22:46 ↗ st3 was move along fine

1:22:50 ↗ you know we had this thing called the

1:22:51 ↗ pandemic

1:22:53 ↗ and

1:22:54 ↗ we had some misdesign stuff

1:22:58 ↗ on the boarding Bridge

1:23:01 ↗ which said way back so

1:23:09 ↗ important is saying do I really want to

1:23:12 ↗ worry about this at 97 years of age well

1:23:16 ↗ maybe

1:23:17 ↗ my good friend dick names

1:23:20 ↗ through b-17s in World War II he's a

1:23:22 ↗ hundred and I take him into the museum

1:23:25 ↗ tomorrow morning so yeah maybe

1:23:29 ↗ so um

1:23:33 ↗ I'd afford to watch on the development

1:23:36 ↗ I'm just hoping

1:23:37 ↗ and I can ride

1:23:41 ↗ to South Bellevue and beyond all the way

1:23:44 ↗ to Redmond on the new one that's being

1:23:47 ↗ planned for that's it

1:23:49 ↗ that's

1:23:51 ↗ right there in the near future and I'm

1:23:54 ↗ knocking on wood before

1:23:57 ↗ anyway enough for me uh I look forward

1:24:00 ↗ to it I thank you for coming out today

1:24:03 ↗ and giving us this uh take it that's

1:24:05 ↗ great

1:24:08 ↗ I concur with the place of everything

1:24:11 ↗ that Dave said I think

1:24:13 ↗ if Sound Transit is not going to take

1:24:15 ↗ the safety of

1:24:18 ↗ people who are on private transit to

1:24:22 ↗ take rapid transit

1:24:25 ↗ then I've only been wanting this I mean

1:24:27 ↗ it's not to me but I don't even want it

1:24:29 ↗ coming there so far right if they will I

1:24:31 ↗ think it's awesome it's a great benefit

1:24:33 ↗ to the community

1:24:35 ↗ um

1:24:36 ↗ I don't know how much say the city even

1:24:38 ↗ has in that

1:24:39 ↗ but you know I

1:24:41 ↗ um not that long ago my brother's taking

1:24:44 ↗ mass transit and someone was uh

1:24:46 ↗ smoking some something that wasn't a

1:24:48 ↗ cigarette

1:24:50 ↗ which is already would be a problem and

1:24:53 ↗ no one did anything about it no one do

1:24:55 ↗ it does anything about it um he didn't

1:24:57 ↗ want to tell me the story because he

1:24:58 ↗ knew I was gonna

1:25:00 ↗ but um

1:25:02 ↗ you know that's that part is concerning

1:25:06 ↗ to me I also you know we say 2044 given

1:25:08 ↗ the history of everything I'm thinking

1:25:10 ↗ it's gonna be 2015 Plus

1:25:12 ↗ on the other hand

1:25:14 ↗ what you're talking about I think is

1:25:16 ↗ awesome to talk about early because

1:25:18 ↗ these changes take a lot of time so the

1:25:21 ↗ more time we have to think about like if

1:25:23 ↗ the station's gonna be here how do we

1:25:25 ↗ want to design you know all of our

1:25:28 ↗ intent around the community in that

1:25:29 ↗ location so I think actually now is the

1:25:32 ↗ time to talk about it I think before we

1:25:34 ↗ talk about it once a year for the next

1:25:36 ↗ 30 Years

1:25:39 ↗ I just want to add a comment that I

1:25:40 ↗ think the transit coming to this club is

1:25:42 ↗ not just a community I mean Transit is

1:25:45 ↗ the region of North Bend Snoqualmie this

1:25:48 ↗ squad station is going to be serving all

1:25:49 ↗ of them so it's a little Regional uh

1:25:52 ↗ benefit

1:25:56 ↗ that's interesting that you mentioned

1:25:57 ↗ that because one of the things that

1:26:01 ↗ I'm just gonna toss it out there

1:26:03 ↗ at any time to discuss it but I'm really

1:26:05 ↗ really interested in a parking situation

1:26:08 ↗ because I think that

1:26:11 ↗ it was going to be an entirely different

1:26:15 ↗ Beast if there's no parking and I

1:26:18 ↗ actually think it should have no parking

1:26:20 ↗ because you're going to create a vision

1:26:25 ↗ that you just described if you don't

1:26:27 ↗ have acres and acres and Acres of

1:26:30 ↗ parking and I remember studying some of

1:26:32 ↗ this in graduate school about the kinds

1:26:35 ↗ of stations that have what happens near

1:26:38 ↗ the station when you have

1:26:39 ↗ a gigantic parking facility and what

1:26:42 ↗ doesn't you know that and but how do we

1:26:45 ↗ make it a regional asset without

1:26:48 ↗ locating that credit card game yeah yeah

1:26:52 ↗ I think Park and rides are such great

1:26:56 ↗ tempting short-term ways to get people

1:26:59 ↗ to take that you know and yet they just

1:27:02 ↗ feel like they can just destroy the

1:27:04 ↗ immediate area so super big puzzle

1:27:08 ↗ um and I think that it could be it's

1:27:10 ↗ something that's gonna I don't know

1:27:11 ↗ where the discussion is but I remember

1:27:12 ↗ reading

1:27:13 ↗ earlier documents that already had a 500

1:27:17 ↗ 500 stall parking you know like wait a

1:27:19 ↗ minute

1:27:21 ↗ for this for the Light Rail station yeah

1:27:24 ↗ for this station yeah and can I continue

1:27:29 ↗ on that train of thought can I just

1:27:31 ↗ finish my um I had a couple other points

1:27:33 ↗ I wanted to ask um one thing is I think

1:27:35 ↗ it'd be really important

1:27:37 ↗ um not just getting vision from the

1:27:39 ↗ community but I think with this kind of

1:27:41 ↗ long range I think we really need to be

1:27:44 ↗ uh

1:27:45 ↗ they're using part of it where we're

1:27:47 ↗ showing what it can be now what it has

1:27:50 ↗ to be it's not top down but what it can

1:27:53 ↗ be and I think that's a place to invest

1:27:55 ↗ in best really great messaging and some

1:27:57 ↗ great ways to describe it because I

1:27:59 ↗ think it's really hard to wrap your head

1:28:01 ↗ around

1:28:02 ↗ um and I also think it's important to

1:28:04 ↗ make sure that people know that this

1:28:05 ↗ growth is coming whether we plan for it

1:28:09 ↗ or not and I think some people

1:28:12 ↗ um tend to get a little bit caught up in

1:28:15 ↗ the idea of growth being something that

1:28:17 ↗ somebody's steering as opposed to like

1:28:20 ↗ it this is happening we live in a

1:28:22 ↗ country where you can move you can pick

1:28:24 ↗ up and move and

1:28:26 ↗ move into property so this growth is

1:28:27 ↗ coming and then I just wanted to say one

1:28:29 ↗ other thing is um

1:28:31 ↗ uh

1:28:32 ↗ what is a floating Zone in the slide in

1:28:35 ↗ the in the memo or what are the

1:28:36 ↗ attachments that it floating yeah

1:28:38 ↗ um so that is zoning that is not uh like

1:28:43 ↗ locked in on a map the criteria has to

1:28:46 ↗ be met for it to be applicable that

1:28:50 ↗ makes sense is that context sensitive

1:28:52 ↗ yeah exactly okay yes so we can we can

1:28:55 ↗ talk about

1:28:56 ↗ um like this theoretical Zone and then

1:28:59 ↗ we would apply it

1:29:01 ↗ based off of like the context

1:29:05 ↗ okay so you're you're you're you're

1:29:07 ↗ describing like what you want

1:29:10 ↗ um and then like that area of the city

1:29:14 ↗ uh it would be a portion of central

1:29:17 ↗ Issaquah if the Light Rail station is in

1:29:20 ↗ central Esquire

1:29:22 ↗ that is a theoretical example that

1:29:25 ↗ could be done

1:29:26 ↗ um it's not to say that it will be done

1:29:28 ↗ or it should be done that is that is a

1:29:31 ↗ pretty common example is like a station

1:29:35 ↗ location specific zoning

1:29:38 ↗ um area that has criteria that is

1:29:41 ↗ Transit supportive and sort of is

1:29:44 ↗ it's the land use component that

1:29:46 ↗ supports the transportation component

1:29:51 ↗ you've had something you want to say

1:29:52 ↗ yeah just real quick uh staff needs to

1:29:56 ↗ help me because the parking right here

1:30:01 ↗ uh still

1:30:04 ↗ four three and four four didn't go it

1:30:08 ↗ was vacant after we got into the

1:30:10 ↗ pandemic we built that that was

1:30:13 ↗ from the time that that was built

1:30:17 ↗ to the time it was fully occupied all

1:30:20 ↗ the way up to the fourth floor was less

1:30:23 ↗ than two years and they said that was

1:30:26 ↗ pre-pandemic and during the pandemic

1:30:28 ↗ they closed the third and fourth floor I

1:30:31 ↗ don't think the third and fourth floor

1:30:33 ↗ is open yet

1:30:34 ↗ because I know the skateboarders are

1:30:36 ↗ using it as a

1:30:39 ↗ rain-free skating

1:30:44 ↗ I have to

1:30:46 ↗ take the bus

1:30:48 ↗ specifically no for the fourth floor I

1:30:51 ↗ was there this morning and there were a

1:30:53 ↗ decent amount of cars in there

1:30:55 ↗ um

1:30:56 ↗ I don't know specifically the reason I

1:30:59 ↗ say that in 2015 when I was still

1:31:01 ↗ driving the 214 it's just going on

1:31:04 ↗ holiday again okay

1:31:07 ↗ um

1:31:08 ↗ 2015 we were that organization was still

1:31:12 ↗ to the Forest Hill

1:31:14 ↗ um

1:31:15 ↗ and people working around the area

1:31:18 ↗ because they couldn't get in

1:31:20 ↗ um it's not that way now I know it'll

1:31:23 ↗ come back I know it will come back

1:31:26 ↗ before he was the best I took in every

1:31:27 ↗ day

1:31:28 ↗ yeah

1:31:31 ↗ yes your stuff we're going through that

1:31:34 ↗ we have to use as historical approach to

1:31:38 ↗ what's what's going to happen in the

1:31:39 ↗ future definitely yeah uh you know both

1:31:42 ↗ you and Cynthia made a really good point

1:31:44 ↗ about the the regional connectivity

1:31:47 ↗ versus

1:31:48 ↗ um

1:31:49 ↗ sort of the the dense uh Urban feel and

1:31:54 ↗ sort of

1:31:55 ↗ uh understanding what the give and take

1:31:57 ↗ is for that

1:31:58 ↗ um that's going to be part of that

1:31:59 ↗ visioning process is

1:32:01 ↗ you have people coming

1:32:03 ↗ from the East wanting to connect to a

1:32:06 ↗ regional system

1:32:09 ↗ that we're going to want to drive

1:32:10 ↗ because

1:32:12 ↗ I think only the 208 goes out to North

1:32:14 ↗ Bend right now

1:32:16 ↗ um

1:32:18 ↗ so it's really yeah balancing like okay

1:32:21 ↗ where are they gonna Park is it here or

1:32:24 ↗ is it further down the line

1:32:27 ↗ I lived in Boston to New York I had one

1:32:30 ↗ of the stops came out and he got off and

1:32:31 ↗ you went downstairs since about 15 buses

1:32:34 ↗ and they were all on the bus routes

1:32:38 ↗ or the train from that spot from that

1:32:40 ↗ spot the regional Bus

1:32:43 ↗ foreign

1:33:06 ↗ [Music]

1:33:11 ↗ they are working on that right now

1:33:13 ↗ they're doing some stuff

1:33:18 ↗ um but

1:33:21 ↗ those are trivial questions

1:33:23 ↗ compared to the big picture but I'm

1:33:26 ↗ going to stay on my ground

1:33:27 ↗ unless we can assure the writers of

1:33:30 ↗ Sound Transit

1:33:32 ↗ and now and in the future is going to be

1:33:35 ↗ safe and

1:33:38 ↗ we don't need another New York Subway

1:33:40 ↗ out here we don't need it

1:33:44 ↗ and we've got to speak about that now we

1:33:47 ↗ can't speak about that later and I know

1:33:49 ↗ that that sounds so

1:33:52 ↗ pretty

1:33:53 ↗ hardcore

1:33:55 ↗ but when you're in the middle of that

1:33:57 ↗ let me tell you there's a reason that it

1:34:01 ↗ should be talking about now

1:34:03 ↗ not later

1:34:05 ↗ for copies of this sermon you can write

1:34:08 ↗ two seven two dollars

1:34:09 ↗ and a sofa drift off just kidding

1:34:13 ↗ it's all it's 7 42. um I think I might

1:34:17 ↗ have time to ask this question Dare I

1:34:19 ↗ ask this question is there so before I

1:34:21 ↗ ask this other question it might take

1:34:23 ↗ um are you getting what you need I know

1:34:26 ↗ this is an introduction it was purely

1:34:28 ↗ introduction yes so we've probably got

1:34:30 ↗ more than than you wanted yeah no this

1:34:31 ↗ is doing feedback and like this will be

1:34:34 ↗ there'll be future discussions on this

1:34:37 ↗ um

1:34:37 ↗ the points you've made are

1:34:40 ↗ really good points uh there are things

1:34:41 ↗ that we're thinking about uh these are

1:34:43 ↗ all considerations uh that we can talk

1:34:47 ↗ about in more detail as we start

1:34:49 ↗ thinking about like the visioning

1:34:50 ↗ process

1:34:52 ↗ um and yet the next meeting we will uh

1:34:55 ↗ really start

1:34:57 ↗ brainstorming on like what that could

1:34:58 ↗ look like

1:35:02 ↗ um

1:35:05 ↗ my apologies my uh nephews my sister

1:35:09 ↗ just went into the hospice

1:35:12 ↗ and you have physical a little bit crazy

1:35:15 ↗ right now so I want to get home and deal

1:35:18 ↗ with that

1:35:20 ↗ um but I do a lot of bring up one point

1:35:22 ↗ before I go which has nothing to do with

1:35:25 ↗ soundtracks we talked about next month

1:35:27 ↗ our August meeting that we could have

1:35:30 ↗ some kind of a

1:35:32 ↗ um

1:35:34 ↗ celebration picnic whatever something

1:35:36 ↗ where we're just not

1:35:39 ↗ where we get a chance to say hey to each

1:35:42 ↗ other as human beings and

1:35:45 ↗ physical lights and

1:35:47 ↗ so I mentioned that last month John you

1:35:51 ↗ were here but I did mention that that

1:35:54 ↗ could we do that again since we're

1:35:57 ↗ meeting back in this building so

1:36:03 ↗ I just wanted to make sure that was

1:36:05 ↗ brought out for the good of the order I

1:36:07 ↗ appreciate that so because I did

1:36:09 ↗ something beforehand like five to six

1:36:11 ↗ yeah we could do something you know

1:36:14 ↗ Cheryl potluck just so

1:36:17 ↗ sit with but I may be the only one

1:36:20 ↗ talking about this maybe there's nobody

1:36:23 ↗ else interesting I thought it would be

1:36:25 ↗ something fun so that

1:36:28 ↗ and we can talk about before or after

1:36:30 ↗ because I know people work we don't want

1:36:32 ↗ to you know five o'clock as well as a

1:36:35 ↗ few hours so we can talk about before or

1:36:38 ↗ after probably as well yeah it just it

1:36:42 ↗ just it was just a thought that

1:36:44 ↗ it's a nice time and a year to be able

1:36:48 ↗ to do that before we get into that

1:36:50 ↗ crappy winter months where we can't ride

1:36:52 ↗ our bicycles over here and uh

1:36:55 ↗ um and just enjoy each other's company I

1:36:59 ↗ don't think we've I've

1:37:01 ↗ seen us do that since I've been on Tab

1:37:05 ↗ uh I just thought I agree with that as a

1:37:09 ↗ um

1:37:11 ↗ and I appreciate all of that um

1:37:17 ↗ yeah I gotta go home and deal with some

1:37:20 ↗ heavy stuff also that soundtrack stuff

1:37:24 ↗ wasn't heavy

1:37:26 ↗ thank you Dave yep drive safely thanks

1:37:30 ↗ maybe we'll ride next week

1:37:35 ↗ so

1:37:40 ↗ um

1:37:41 ↗ so I think we're ready to conclude on

1:37:43 ↗ that topic it sounds like

1:37:45 ↗ and

1:37:46 ↗ uh

1:37:48 ↗ any other anything else okay

1:37:52 ↗ um let's go ahead and move along and

1:37:54 ↗ thank you very much for that

1:37:55 ↗ um I think this is really exciting for

1:37:57 ↗ me personally

1:37:59 ↗ um

1:38:00 ↗ this would be right about the time when

1:38:02 ↗ I probably won't be able to drive

1:38:03 ↗ anymore that's kind of nice

1:38:07 ↗ time so

1:38:10 ↗ but maybe there'll be here driverless

1:38:13 ↗ cars so maybe yeah we're not even

1:38:15 ↗ thinking about what 20 44 is going to be

1:38:19 ↗ like well I mean

1:38:22 ↗ oh 2044 20 41 2044 think about 2080 too

1:38:28 ↗ what's going to be up there

1:38:30 ↗ talk to him

1:38:35 ↗ all right let's move on to 5A the board

1:38:39 ↗ of work plan

1:38:41 ↗ before

1:38:43 ↗ thank you Thomas I appreciate it

1:38:47 ↗ uh and I want to know we don't

1:38:49 ↗ technically have a quorum right now but

1:38:50 ↗ we're just doing staff reports I've

1:38:51 ↗ already I don't know report out so I

1:38:53 ↗ think it's okay

1:38:57 ↗ I'm not gonna make it weak

1:39:03 ↗ okay

1:39:05 ↗ uh thank you Cynthia

1:39:08 ↗ um so next month Thomas will be

1:39:09 ↗ returning to us to talk about uh Light

1:39:13 ↗ Rail again and we'll get into those more

1:39:15 ↗ specific discussion questions that

1:39:16 ↗ they'll have for us

1:39:18 ↗ um September

1:39:19 ↗ uh I will be bringing traffic calling

1:39:22 ↗ program to you all which hard to work on

1:39:25 ↗ at the moment and then October we don't

1:39:28 ↗ have anything specific planned yet I'm

1:39:31 ↗ still asking around to see if anyone has

1:39:33 ↗ anything

1:39:36 ↗ I don't see a whole lot there yet that

1:39:39 ↗ might need to come forward but um

1:39:43 ↗ I'll let you know next month

1:39:45 ↗ and that concludes

1:39:49 ↗ thank you do you have a staff report

1:39:52 ↗ you

1:39:53 ↗ just a short one here

1:39:56 ↗ um just wanted to touch base about

1:39:59 ↗ myself

1:40:01 ↗ the note to you all and of course noted

1:40:05 ↗ the uh the meeting minutes

1:40:07 ↗ um so but uh so at this moment uh the

1:40:12 ↗ staff is planning on moving forward to

1:40:14 ↗ Council next month

1:40:16 ↗ um a building infrastructure

1:40:18 ↗ specifically discussed how grateful they

1:40:20 ↗ were for all of your discussion and

1:40:22 ↗ feedback uh they watched they all all of

1:40:25 ↗ them watched last month's tab meeting

1:40:27 ↗ and really appreciated the questions

1:40:29 ↗ that were brought forward and uh they

1:40:31 ↗ did use them to highly scrutinize our

1:40:33 ↗ proposal

1:40:35 ↗ um I even considered just like doing it

1:40:37 ↗ up and having you watch the the thank

1:40:39 ↗ you because they they said it multiple

1:40:41 ↗ times thank you for for all the

1:40:43 ↗ questions that you all brought up

1:40:46 ↗ um uh and yeah so they recommended the

1:40:49 ↗ proposal move forward to council for

1:40:51 ↗ discussion and the question of approval

1:40:54 ↗ in on August 7th so at this point I'm

1:40:58 ↗ still planning on doing that uh but have

1:41:00 ↗ noted your concerns about this so

1:41:04 ↗ that's all I have for staff report

1:41:07 ↗ great uh I don't have a chair report

1:41:11 ↗ and we don't have a youth

1:41:18 ↗ is there any other business or

1:41:20 ↗ announcements

1:41:23 ↗ guys

1:41:24 ↗ um sounds like we're adjourned

1:41:27 ↗ good job guys

1:41:33 ↗ um

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