Transportation Advisory Board · Wednesday, September 27, 2023 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of June 26, 2023 & July 26, 2023

packet pp.3–7

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Staff report:

about Light Rail Planning in August, Traffic Calming in September, and TBD in October.

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

ITS Plan

Discussion · 30 min · Emily Moon, Public Works Director · packet pp.9–100

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Staff report:

Share the proposed Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) Plan and City Council’s Mobility & Infrastructure Committee’s comments with the Board.

Transit Plan

Discussion · [1 hour] Thomas Valdriz, Senior Transportation Planner · packet pp.101–137

Topics: Transportation

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Staff report:

The Administration will provide an introduction to the Transit Study’s Link Light Rail Planning deliverable and seeks feedback on the proposed Light Rail Visioning Public Participation Plan.

5. REPORTS

Board Work Plan

packet pp.139

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Staff report:

Element ADA Transition Plan Intro &

Staff Report

Chair Report

Youth Report

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0:05 ↗ this

0:06 ↗ is is it going yes

0:09 ↗ okay all right good evening and welcome

0:11 ↗ I'm Cynthia Crest I'm currently chairing

0:14 ↗ the regular meeting of the

0:16 ↗ transportation Advisory Board call this

0:18 ↗ meeting to order and we're going to

0:21 ↗ start with approval of the minutes and

0:23 ↗ I'm going to I'm seeking approval of the

0:26 ↗ July minutes by unanimous

0:28 ↗ consent

0:31 ↗ and I'm not seeking approval of the June

0:34 ↗ minutes at this time is there anyone I'm

0:38 ↗ not hearing any objection to unanimous

0:40 ↗ consent approval of the July minutes so

0:43 ↗ those are

0:44 ↗ approved I would like to take July

0:48 ↗ minutes of June minutes and bring that

0:51 ↗ to the next meeting uh do we have any

0:53 ↗ public comment this

0:55 ↗ evening uh we do we have one person here

0:59 ↗ in person with us oh so I'd like to

1:01 ↗ invite him to the

1:05 ↗ [Music]

1:12 ↗ front appropriate spot

1:16 ↗ absolutely good evening my name is John

1:18 ↗ falstrom and I'm a city resident

1:21 ↗ residing at 8857 Avenue Northwest and

1:24 ↗ first let me say appreciate the

1:26 ↗ opportunity to be allowed to be here

1:29 ↗ tonight and

1:30 ↗ participate um and I'm not certain

1:33 ↗ completely this is the appropriate spot

1:36 ↗ for all of what I'm going to say but

1:38 ↗ it's a start been working on this

1:40 ↗ project for a while so at any rate I'm

1:44 ↗ here tonight to uh address the board

1:46 ↗ with my safety and quality of life

1:47 ↗ concerns regarding traffic flow on 7th

1:50 ↗ Avenue Northwest between uh Northwest

1:53 ↗ Juniper and Northwest Holly streets over

1:56 ↗ the course of the last several years

1:58 ↗ traffic volumes on 7th Avenue have

2:00 ↗ increased to levels far above what the

2:02 ↗ street was designed to

2:04 ↗ handle the volume has not only increased

2:08 ↗ but vehicle speeds often exceed the

2:10 ↗ posted speed

2:11 ↗ limit virtually all of the increas is

2:14 ↗ generated by Vehicles using sth Avenue

2:18 ↗ as a cut

2:19 ↗ through in discussing this situation

2:21 ↗ with my neighbors we feel it's time for

2:24 ↗ Action to better manage traffic flows in

2:26 ↗ our

2:27 ↗ neighborhood the traffic situation

2:29 ↗ existing on 7th Avenue Northwest is not

2:32 ↗ consistent with the comprehensive plan

2:34 ↗ and the city's traffic calming

2:37 ↗ program as this is a residential

2:39 ↗ neighborhood and in a school zone I as

2:42 ↗ well as many of my neighbors support the

2:44 ↗ installation of speed bumps on 7th

2:47 ↗ Avenue Northwest between Holly and

2:49 ↗ Juniper streets and the permanent

2:51 ↗ reduction in the posted speed limit to

2:53 ↗ 20 miles per

2:55 ↗ hour I'd like to point out some of the

2:58 ↗ sections of the neighborhood traffic

2:59 ↗ caling program uh from a document that

3:03 ↗ was provided to me by staff and I will

3:06 ↗ tell you it was from a while back so I

3:10 ↗ understand that hopefully that's in the

3:12 ↗ works to be amended traffic cing program

3:15 ↗ objectives include slower speeds for

3:18 ↗ Motor Vehicles to create safer streets

3:21 ↗ and reduction in the need for police

3:23 ↗ enforcement in the executive summary

3:26 ↗ section 3.1 Transportation vision is

3:29 ↗ stated that the program is designed to

3:31 ↗ re retain the positive attributes and

3:34 ↗ quality of life associated with livable

3:37 ↗ neighborhoods in this section the city

3:39 ↗ acknowledges that with increased

3:41 ↗ development and traffic congestion there

3:44 ↗ is an increased tendency for traffic to

3:46 ↗ cut through residential neighborhood

3:47 ↗ areas causing a decrease in the positive

3:51 ↗ attributes and quality of life also in

3:54 ↗ addition this cut through traffic

3:56 ↗ typically travels at higher speeds than

3:59 ↗ is acceptable within a residential

4:02 ↗ neighborhood in section 5.1 of the

4:05 ↗ city's comprehensive plan section

4:08 ↗ 5.1.3 and

4:10 ↗ 5.1.4 defines collector streets and

4:13 ↗ local access streets both subsections

4:17 ↗ discuss the character of these streets

4:19 ↗ Cate of these Street categories as

4:22 ↗ creating little through traffic and to

4:25 ↗ provide movement within the

4:27 ↗ neighborhoods and directing traffic to

4:29 ↗ to arterials section 14 of the comp plan

4:33 ↗ identifies one of the goals of the

4:34 ↗ transportation element is to facilitate

4:37 ↗ the safe and efficient access and

4:39 ↗ mobility of traffic and

4:41 ↗ people section

4:43 ↗ t-1 land use establishes uh policy T

4:47 ↗ d1.1 residential character and quoting

4:51 ↗ from the comp plan preserve the

4:53 ↗ character of residential neighborhoods

4:55 ↗ by establishing maximum allowable

4:57 ↗ traffic volumes of residential street

4:59 ↗ stre that are substantially lower than

5:02 ↗ traditional engineering methods would

5:04 ↗ indicate in order to provide safe local

5:07 ↗ access policy CF

5:10 ↗ 1.6 discusses uh prioritizing Capital

5:14 ↗ Improvements which includes uh the

5:17 ↗ statement to maximize Public

5:20 ↗ Safety so um tonight and I'm I'm I will

5:25 ↗ submit this in writing under a Freedom

5:27 ↗ of Information Act or or whatever means

5:30 ↗ that is appropriate but I would like to

5:32 ↗ know what the status of the update to

5:34 ↗ the the uh neighborhood traffic cing

5:37 ↗ plan is uh I've been told over several

5:40 ↗ years and I have it documented that it

5:43 ↗ was a work in progress and I have not

5:45 ↗ been able to find that's been

5:48 ↗ updated I'm going to request specific

5:50 ↗ criteria utilized uh in the city of

5:52 ↗ isqua comprehensive plan to comp to uh

5:55 ↗ classify streets in other words

5:58 ↗ residential versus material and to

6:00 ↗ determine what classification is

6:02 ↗ assigned to sth Avenue in

6:05 ↗ request and request is there a plan to

6:09 ↗ install speed bumps on 7th Avenue

6:11 ↗ Northwest between Juniper and

6:12 ↗ Holly what is the process to request

6:16 ↗ traffic calming improvements by

6:17 ↗ residents on specific

6:20 ↗ streets what criteria was utilized when

6:23 ↗ prioritizing the installation of speed

6:25 ↗ bumps on Third Avenue Northwest and

6:27 ↗ Northwest Holly

6:30 ↗ and what if any interaction with GPS

6:34 ↗ mapping companies is in place to

6:36 ↗ influence traffic flows does the city

6:39 ↗ have the ability to manage metadata for

6:42 ↗ Street

6:44 ↗ segments and that one I think is at the

6:46 ↗ core of part of why we're seeing such a

6:48 ↗ huge increase in traffic on our street

6:50 ↗ it's it's Google Maps and and other

6:54 ↗ mapping

6:55 ↗ software but at any rate I appreciate

6:58 ↗ the opportunity and uh taking your time

7:01 ↗ to to listen to what I have to say um I

7:04 ↗ would like to be a part of seeing what

7:07 ↗ we can do to to work on our street uh

7:10 ↗ it's it's it is anecdotally getting

7:15 ↗ ridiculous and I think statistics with

7:18 ↗ the traffic P would bear that

7:20 ↗ out thank you very yes so so um is it

7:25 ↗ the like the average speed that people

7:28 ↗ are driving that's inti or is it like a

7:30 ↗ few number of cars that's driving way

7:32 ↗ too fast in the in the data that was

7:34 ↗ collected by the city in

7:36 ↗ 2019 um there were uh a fairly low

7:40 ↗ percentage but there were some I've got

7:43 ↗ the the tables in here but uh there were

7:46 ↗ there were some speeds in excess of 50

7:48 ↗ mil hour on our street and it's a two

7:51 ↗ block Long Street uh it's it's kind of a

7:54 ↗ combination of things it's it's that we

7:56 ↗ see as neighbors um that the the the

7:59 ↗ volume has increased the number of cars

8:02 ↗ that are actually coming and going from

8:05 ↗ our little two block section of 7th

8:08 ↗ Avenue pretty minuscule compared to the

8:11 ↗ total traffic points I've sat out in a

8:14 ↗ lawn chair at the end of my driveway and

8:15 ↗ counted cars before and

8:18 ↗ virtually over 95% of the cars are are

8:21 ↗ passing through that section of Street

8:24 ↗ and since co uh just as an example um

8:29 ↗ some of the delivery services IE Safeway

8:32 ↗ home delivery uh they use that and very

8:37 ↗ often are going way over the speed them

8:39 ↗ I don't have a radar gun so I can't tell

8:41 ↗ you what their speeds are but uh and and

8:44 ↗ that's only an example the it's um

8:47 ↗ overall the the speeds on that street

8:50 ↗ segment are are well over 20 miles 25

8:53 ↗ mil hour when school's not in session 20

8:56 ↗ when it is uh it's posted as a school's

8:59 ↗ alone but it's it's kind of a

9:02 ↗ combination of of volume and speed uh

9:07 ↗ the other issue is that that that street

9:09 ↗ segment is it wouldn't meet current

9:12 ↗ Street standards for a normal cold

9:15 ↗ arterial coming through there uh there's

9:18 ↗ parking allowed on both sides uh it's 30

9:21 ↗ ft of asphalt um edge to edge which as

9:26 ↗ my understanding it needs to be 32 um

9:30 ↗ and so there are several issues with

9:32 ↗ that that straight that section and we

9:35 ↗ have seen a tremendous increase in the

9:37 ↗ amount of uh

9:39 ↗ parking on our on that streets um

9:43 ↗ stretch from some of the development

9:45 ↗ that has occurred um with the atlas and

9:49 ↗ Veil Apartments uh anticipating with the

9:53 ↗ towns on 7th with 29 more units that are

9:55 ↗ going to be in there um it's it's you

9:57 ↗ know it's just exacerbating the thing

9:59 ↗ and I think for and and I I have not

10:02 ↗ found a resident on our street um that

10:06 ↗ would disagree with it that we've got

10:08 ↗ you know speeds are the big issue I have

10:11 ↗ to I back my car into the driveway

10:13 ↗ because if I try to back out onto the

10:16 ↗ street um I've Come Close several times

10:21 ↗ thank you for coming here I really

10:22 ↗ appreciate it so anyway I know you've

10:24 ↗ got lots of business to address and I uh

10:27 ↗ I will submit a request for those things

10:28 ↗ that I outline uh I'm I'm not sure if

10:31 ↗ this board is where it goes or to public

10:34 ↗ works or who it goes to but

10:37 ↗ okay so yeah I just I really appreciate

10:40 ↗ you coming here and um we do we have had

10:45 ↗ that on our agenda at times it doesn't

10:46 ↗ have to be on our agenda this evening so

10:48 ↗ we won't be diving into that but I do um

10:51 ↗ want to make sure that he gets connected

10:52 ↗ to we are having those whether it's in

10:54 ↗ front of the mobility committee or us

10:56 ↗ that you know you come back and and talk

10:59 ↗ to us again um and I I know exactly what

11:01 ↗ you're talking about and I'm certainly

11:03 ↗ empathetic to that situation uh so

11:05 ↗ appreciate you coming here I just have a

11:08 ↗ quick question one small quick question

11:12 ↗ could you say your name again please

11:14 ↗ because I'm hard of here me too but I

11:16 ↗ got that

11:17 ↗ covered it's John falstrom falstrom

11:21 ↗ falstrom yes um are you a longtime

11:24 ↗ resident of his I am was your father

11:27 ↗ Charles fer been in my uncle that was

11:30 ↗ your uncle that was my principal mine

11:34 ↗ too you think that was a thank you I

11:38 ↗ appreciate it thank you for your

11:44 ↗ time uh I think that Emily is the next

11:48 ↗ um

11:49 ↗ agenda item um which is the it plan so

11:53 ↗ we're moving on to regular business give

11:55 ↗ her just a moment um and I assume that

11:59 ↗ we're going to be hearing about the work

12:02 ↗ that

12:04 ↗ um Isabelle

12:06 ↗ Isabelle yes thank you um worked on you

12:09 ↗ know that was her um that was her thing

12:12 ↗ for a while so um we do miss but I know

12:15 ↗ Emily will do a great job so um I am

12:18 ↗ ready to turn are you ready to I I shall

12:22 ↗ share my screen

12:24 ↗ [Music]

12:25 ↗ and I will be ready

12:54 ↗ good well good evening

12:57 ↗ everyone

13:01 ↗ happy to be back talking about its um as

13:04 ↗ you all know last time we met we talked

13:07 ↗ about the projects that were coming

13:10 ↗ forward on the city's Capital

13:13 ↗ Improvement plan uh we talked a little

13:15 ↗ bit about how those were

13:18 ↗ prioritized how our approach to the its

13:21 ↗ plan was shaken up and that we had some

13:24 ↗ very near-term needs to focus on before

13:27 ↗ we could go and do the bigger brighter

13:31 ↗ things um and all of you expressed both

13:35 ↗ understanding and support for that

13:37 ↗ approach KN that that was foundational

13:39 ↗ work can I just inter one second would

13:42 ↗ you mind just closing the door almost

13:44 ↗ all the way uh you can leave it popped

13:46 ↗ up in case any member of the public

13:47 ↗ wants to jump in here but the noise and

13:49 ↗ the cold is distracting to me thank you

13:53 ↗ so the other thing that we talked about

13:55 ↗ at that time and this um looks a little

13:58 ↗ bit different at this moment so I just

13:59 ↗ want to um acknowledge that the last

14:03 ↗ time we spoke I said we don't anticipate

14:06 ↗ or intend to come back and for example

14:10 ↗ ask you to bless the entire IPS plan um

14:14 ↗ because we knew we had to go develop the

14:18 ↗ CIP Implement a PK of the its plan kind

14:21 ↗ of in advance of actually having the

14:23 ↗ whole plan um sewn together but you have

14:27 ↗ seen all of the significant Parts policy

14:31 ↗ pieces the capital projects the approach

14:34 ↗ to the plan um and so uh tonight I am

14:40 ↗ back before you I'm not looking for a

14:42 ↗ blessing but I did want to show you what

14:44 ↗ it looks like when it was all stitched

14:46 ↗ together what happens next is the city

14:50 ↗ council is going to accept the plan and

14:52 ↗ that's their way of saying work is

14:54 ↗ complete thank you very much go and

14:57 ↗ impul it

14:59 ↗ we have met with the mobility and

15:01 ↗ infrastructure Committee of the city

15:03 ↗ council and uh they also got the same

15:07 ↗ presentation at the same moment um in

15:11 ↗ the process same purpose and that's here

15:14 ↗ it is if you have any last feedback

15:17 ↗ please share it with us but we're ready

15:19 ↗ for you to um give us your go-head to uh

15:23 ↗ start working on implementation so

15:26 ↗ that's where we're at tonight

15:29 ↗ sharing uh that proposed plan uh in its

15:34 ↗ final draft

15:36 ↗ form um and looks like I did uh let's oh

15:40 ↗ and I'm going to also um share with you

15:42 ↗ what the mobility infrastructure

15:43 ↗ committee had to say about it

15:46 ↗ and um seek any comments that you might

15:50 ↗ have about that final

15:53 ↗ draft so all of you know what the it

15:56 ↗ plan is there's bits and pieces of this

15:57 ↗ that probably fit better for a council

16:00 ↗ public audience um you are well versed

16:03 ↗ in this but again this is our guidance

16:05 ↗ document that really um is technology

16:08 ↗ focused it's focused on the

16:10 ↗ infrastructure that we use to improve

16:12 ↗ improve traffic flow and safety on our

16:15 ↗ streets it's a

16:18 ↗ collection of a variety of things

16:20 ↗ including an inventory of all those

16:22 ↗ assets practices we use to keep uh those

16:26 ↗ maintained the resources we use to do

16:28 ↗ the same um projects and policies

16:34 ↗ as so one of the things we have stressed

16:37 ↗ with the city council and we've had some

16:41 ↗ discussion here with this group is that

16:44 ↗ there is a big broad Universe of all

16:47 ↗ things its there are almost infinite

16:50 ↗ possibilities of what we could do and

16:52 ↗ what we could invest in um and yet uh

16:57 ↗ Resources with course our finite and not

16:59 ↗ all things in the universe may be

17:01 ↗ appropriate for our Fin City um plus it

17:05 ↗ is dynamic it is constantly

17:07 ↗ changing um and we need to recognize

17:11 ↗ that reality as

17:13 ↗ well the bits and pieces also Target

17:16 ↗ different issues and objectives and so

17:20 ↗ that's one of the reasons why we really

17:21 ↗ focused our plan on our community

17:25 ↗ objectives that we got input on as you

17:27 ↗ know through surveys and other means but

17:30 ↗ there's no um there's no plan that we

17:34 ↗ could design for

17:35 ↗ its that is a straight line of uh

17:41 ↗ actions policies Etc that's going to get

17:44 ↗ us to a

17:47 ↗ place it's going to get us to a place at

17:50 ↗ the end of this path where all traffic

17:53 ↗ problems are solved right and so I I

17:58 ↗ reiterate that um simply to say uh

18:01 ↗ that's not necessarily a a a bad thing

18:04 ↗ it's a reality but also inherent in that

18:08 ↗ is the fact that there are multiple

18:11 ↗ Pathways to get us closer to that end

18:14 ↗ outcome to get us to a place where we

18:16 ↗ have um improved traffic conditions and

18:20 ↗ safety and all of that multiple options

18:23 ↗ here so the its plan refined what all

18:27 ↗ that was possible

18:29 ↗ down to a finite list of projects

18:32 ↗ policies and practices that we uh

18:35 ↗ believed were align with the objectives

18:38 ↗ set by community members this board and

18:40 ↗ city council that's what is in the its

18:44 ↗ plan we have this little inject of the

18:47 ↗ concurrency policy all of you know that

18:50 ↗ the city is uh beginning to revamp its

18:55 ↗ concurrency policy first we start with a

18:57 ↗ technical aspects of taking traffic

18:59 ↗ counts and things like that and uh the

19:03 ↗ engineering staff will be back talking

19:05 ↗ with the city council in the near future

19:08 ↗ about the policy questions that may come

19:10 ↗ out of what we learned from that that

19:12 ↗ new round of data

19:14 ↗ collection that needs to be incorporated

19:16 ↗ into the its plan as well and we talked

19:19 ↗ about one example of this previously um

19:22 ↗ we have two potential projects for

19:24 ↗ example in the future one is leading

19:26 ↗ pedestrian interval one is Transit

19:28 ↗ signal

19:30 ↗ prioritization and then the concurrency

19:32 ↗ policy the city's policy also says um

19:36 ↗ think about all modes of travel um don't

19:39 ↗ let your intersections go to failure

19:42 ↗ right where they don't

19:43 ↗ perform and so you get to a place where

19:46 ↗ you can see there's competing objectives

19:49 ↗ and if we prioritize one over the other

19:51 ↗ we may impact you know one mode of of

19:54 ↗ travel more than another and so those

19:56 ↗ are policy decisions and those are the

19:58 ↗ kinds of conversations that I think city

20:00 ↗ council and input from all of you um

20:04 ↗ will take up as we review the

20:06 ↗ concurrency policy was appropriate

20:10 ↗ Citywide all right then we took the it

20:13 ↗ plan and we said okay we've got 50

20:15 ↗ projects how do we narrow it down how do

20:18 ↗ we um reduce it to what can fit in the

20:20 ↗ sixe CIP and in the funding that's

20:23 ↗ available over that six-year period and

20:26 ↗ we came up with a list of projects that

20:29 ↗ you all help prioritize and are now in

20:32 ↗ the adopted CIP and we refine that

20:34 ↗ further and we get to the banal budget

20:37 ↗ of the city and we're looking at the

20:39 ↗ next two years and the um projects that

20:43 ↗ can be done within the ban

20:46 ↗ project that is what we're showing here

20:49 ↗ how it all

20:51 ↗ ripples anothering at the city council

20:53 ↗ and all of you have been interested in

20:56 ↗ is our ability to measure our

20:58 ↗ performance um how well are we doing as

21:02 ↗ we implement the plan and uh so we have

21:07 ↗ a keen focus on that we will make sure

21:09 ↗ to um be measuring and Reporting out on

21:13 ↗ that we do intend to focus majority of

21:17 ↗ our measurement at the project level um

21:21 ↗ and so what that means is each time we

21:24 ↗ determine we're going to implement a

21:27 ↗ particular technology we need to have

21:30 ↗ objectives for that particular project

21:33 ↗ as well um and we need to go back after

21:36 ↗ some amount of time and say all right

21:38 ↗ did it work the way that we think we

21:40 ↗ thought it was going to

21:43 ↗ work um the other reason it's important

21:45 ↗ to do that is uh because there are so

21:49 ↗ many options for us uh in the future in

21:51 ↗ terms of what we will invest in and we

21:55 ↗ need to uh stay focused on the

21:58 ↗ objectives that were set in the plan um

22:00 ↗ we also need to make sure that we're

22:02 ↗ evaluating our return on

22:04 ↗ investment of these

22:08 ↗ installations

22:10 ↗ uh We've shared example Performance

22:13 ↗ measures I can dive into that more but

22:15 ↗ all of you um are fairly familiar with

22:17 ↗ things like travel times and efficiency

22:20 ↗ of

22:21 ↗ travel um our mode splits are things

22:24 ↗ that we can um hopefully measure in the

22:27 ↗ future

22:28 ↗ volumes and speed system reliability

22:31 ↗ like the percent of time um different

22:34 ↗ systems may be down because they have um

22:37 ↗ needed to repair or to be replaced ratio

22:41 ↗ of investment to

22:43 ↗ impact safety measures you know numbers

22:45 ↗ of collisions red light running air

22:48 ↗ misses which is a long list of data that

22:51 ↗ uh we hope to be able to collect and

22:53 ↗ help us to assess whether we are meeting

22:56 ↗ our performance objective

22:58 ↗ both at the project level and

23:02 ↗ overall uh we also are planning to do

23:06 ↗ pilot projects which are a great way for

23:08 ↗ us to test you know throw out um a

23:13 ↗ potential solution and and see if it

23:17 ↗ indeed Works before we make a a bigger

23:20 ↗ investment in that technology so pilot

23:22 ↗ projects are definitely one of the ways

23:25 ↗ that we are intending to uh

23:28 ↗ do performance measurement in the it

23:32 ↗ plan okay this is our project timeline

23:35 ↗ uh we are right before um when we're

23:39 ↗ expecting to go to council um late

23:41 ↗ breaking news on that says October it's

23:43 ↗ going to be November um so it'll be the

23:46 ↗ first meeting in November November 6

23:49 ↗ when we take this back to the

23:56 ↗ city quickly I'm going to just share

23:58 ↗ some of the major components of the plan

24:01 ↗ we have a mission statement uh for the

24:03 ↗ plan all of you reviewed this um and uh

24:08 ↗ the one piece of feedback about a a

24:12 ↗ change to the plan that I heard from the

24:16 ↗ mobility and infrastructure is a desire

24:20 ↗ to switch the order of people and

24:22 ↗ services in this statement so that's one

24:26 ↗ one thing that I'm hoping to get

24:28 ↗ reaction from all of you

24:31 ↗ on reaction of sure fine you know thumbs

24:34 ↗ up

24:35 ↗ or uh no I think that idea is terrible

24:39 ↗ thumbs down um I think the council

24:43 ↗ member that made that

24:44 ↗ suggestion uh just really wanted to end

24:48 ↗ with people so that

24:50 ↗ that you know it's the premacy recency

24:53 ↗ effect right in Psychology so if you end

24:56 ↗ with it it stays in people's brain so um

24:58 ↗ our mission is to really improve the

25:00 ↗ system for people rather

25:03 ↗ than primary for services so that is the

25:07 ↗ suggestion um I have not changed it here

25:09 ↗ but I um wanted more

25:15 ↗ suggestion another piece of the plan is

25:20 ↗ um the goals and you all have seen these

25:23 ↗ goals goal one is improve the safety of

25:25 ↗ the transportation system goal two

25:28 ↗ improve the efficiency and

25:29 ↗ sustainability of the transportation

25:31 ↗ system go three provide traveler

25:33 ↗ information to inform route and mo mode

25:37 ↗ Choice goal four plan and deploy cost

25:40 ↗ efficient and effective it technology

25:43 ↗ goal five integrate City it efforts with

25:46 ↗ regional Partners goal six monitor

25:49 ↗ Transportation performance measures and

25:51 ↗ utilize this information to improve

25:53 ↗ safety and efficiency at the

25:55 ↗ transportation

25:56 ↗ system

25:58 ↗ another uh plan component is just all

26:01 ↗ the data that we have um now that we

26:05 ↗ have done a substantive inventory uh so

26:08 ↗ this is just an example of what's found

26:10 ↗ in the plan this

26:12 ↗ is map illustration of where we have our

26:16 ↗ communication Network that's devoted to

26:19 ↗ its but uh we also have inventoried and

26:24 ↗ added to the city's geographic

26:26 ↗ information system our GIS uh all sorts

26:30 ↗ of assets where we have signal

26:32 ↗ controllers and uh which quarters we

26:35 ↗ have timing plans for where we have

26:37 ↗ detection equipment bester Crossing

26:39 ↗ equipment traffic Hames Dynamic

26:42 ↗ messaging signs you name it long list of

26:44 ↗ assets that now are captured in our GIS

26:47 ↗ system which is very helpful for our um

26:51 ↗ Asset Management

26:53 ↗ purposes this is just another example

26:55 ↗ shows the cameras and dynamic message

26:58 ↗ signs where those are

27:00 ↗ located this is a different type of uh

27:04 ↗ inventory uh view this is a table that's

27:09 ↗ depicting uh

27:12 ↗ our Traffic

27:14 ↗ Systems uh that uh are our field devices

27:19 ↗ that are supported by our signal

27:23 ↗ text and these kinds of tables and data

27:27 ↗ will help us uh really understand uh

27:31 ↗ where we are in terms of life expectancy

27:34 ↗ and how we need to plan in our CIP and

27:39 ↗ in our budget the replacement of these

27:41 ↗ assets on a reasoning basis yes question

27:45 ↗ this is very minor yes but I would

27:48 ↗ recommend if you're using a table like

27:50 ↗ that to switch those last two columns or

27:54 ↗ make the last column be percent of

27:56 ↗ expected life because it's hard to going

27:59 ↗ back and forth a 10 years and 15 years

28:01 ↗ because the numbers are really far apart

28:03 ↗ and they're separated by that quantity

28:12 ↗ okay we have a stacking plan as one of

28:16 ↗ the components in the plan

28:20 ↗ uh this is the section where we describe

28:24 ↗ who is responsible for the system

28:26 ↗ currently what their job related

28:30 ↗ functions are with

28:32 ↗ its and we also

28:36 ↗ describe anticipated feuture need for

28:39 ↗ additional Staffing

28:41 ↗ Resources uh there are 2.5 FTE that are

28:49 ↗ shown as needed over the next few years

28:54 ↗ in order to implement the projects uh

28:57 ↗ and practices that are described in the

28:59 ↗ its

29:02 ↗ plan that will be considered by the city

29:05 ↗ council as they entertain budget

29:09 ↗ conversations uh we also have asked uh

29:13 ↗ that they consider two

29:16 ↗ reclassifications in the future and I'm

29:19 ↗ expecting that those will get

29:21 ↗ Incorporated in the future budget as

29:26 ↗ well

29:28 ↗ and I think last time we were here we

29:30 ↗ talked a little bit about the approach

29:32 ↗ to the it plan and how we're really

29:35 ↗ trying to move on this Continuum where

29:38 ↗ right now we have a very performed

29:41 ↗ system where we are wholly focused on

29:45 ↗ kind of reactive decision making uh

29:48 ↗ where we spend the bulk of our time and

29:52 ↗ operations and maintenance mode um doing

29:56 ↗ ad hoc activities as the emergencies

29:59 ↗ require um that's not the best way to

30:02 ↗ operate so we'd like to move further to

30:04 ↗ the right here and um hope to get into

30:08 ↗ the manag state soon um where we can

30:10 ↗ monitor our system more proactively

30:14 ↗ that'll help us to ACT earlier identify

30:17 ↗ issues and test Solutions and make plans

30:22 ↗ and have more strategic

30:25 ↗ processes ultimately we'd love to be car

30:28 ↗ right there on the optimize where we're

30:30 ↗ making data driven decisions proactively

30:32 ↗ managing the system and leveraging uh

30:36 ↗ the improvements we've already made and

30:39 ↗ having successful Partnerships so that

30:41 ↗ we can do

30:45 ↗ more this slide just reiterates uh that

30:49 ↗ approach that we know we need to spend

30:53 ↗ time over the next couple of years

30:55 ↗ really focusing on getting better at

30:58 ↗ providing for annual equipment

31:00 ↗ upgrades and uh building some of our

31:05 ↗ policies uh developing the communication

31:08 ↗ network doing all of those fundamental

31:12 ↗ projects on which we can build a bigger

31:16 ↗ better system in the

31:21 ↗ future there are 26 capital projects

31:24 ↗ that are listed in the it plan

31:27 ↗ uh those total just about $10

31:30 ↗ million uh there are um sorry there's 26

31:35 ↗ total its

31:37 ↗ projects majority of them are in the C

31:41 ↗ some of them are not capital projects

31:43 ↗ some of them are policy development

31:45 ↗ those don't live in the CIP um some are

31:48 ↗ also going to be taken care of via our

31:51 ↗ current or future operating budget they

31:53 ↗ don't rise to the level that they are

31:56 ↗ kind of eligible be considered a capital

31:58 ↗ project usually smaller project um some

32:03 ↗ as you know are dependent on us getting

32:05 ↗ those foundational projects done um some

32:09 ↗ are uh outstanding decisions as the

32:14 ↗ council entertains the concurrency

32:16 ↗ policy decision and makes some choices

32:20 ↗ um and then others have been

32:21 ↗ Consolidated and group together so um 26

32:25 ↗ overall not all of them you will in the

32:27 ↗ current adopted six-year CIP and that's

32:30 ↗ for a varet

32:32 ↗ reasons these are the projects that are

32:34 ↗ in the

32:36 ↗ CIP and they are 12 plus the

32:42 ↗ rrfb replacement program that's second

32:44 ↗ from the bottom on the right that's our

32:48 ↗ rectangular rapid flashing beacons that

32:51 ↗ help pedestrians get safely across the

32:53 ↗ street and uh we don't consider that

32:57 ↗ project today to be um in a very narrow

33:01 ↗ definition of what is its and that's why

33:04 ↗ I said there's 12 with the ASX um

33:07 ↗ they're not intelligent yet but

33:08 ↗ hopefully in the future we will have

33:10 ↗ more intelligence built into those

33:12 ↗ Crossing

33:15 ↗ systems and let's see also

33:19 ↗ um we are investing in things that

33:22 ↗ aren't capital I wanted to highlight

33:24 ↗ some of those um some of those are shown

33:28 ↗ on this page uh they are planning

33:31 ↗ efforts like building out our fiber

33:33 ↗ Network and uh policies um we' talked

33:37 ↗ about a couple of those tonight uh

33:40 ↗ traffic signal timing and traffic camera

33:43 ↗ policies um will also help us to manage

33:46 ↗ utiliz utilization of the system um

33:50 ↗ prioritize where we make investments as

33:53 ↗ well and we have spoken about theou with

33:58 ↗ wash do on Signal operations hopefully

34:01 ↗ getting to the place where they want to

34:04 ↗ coordinate State round signals with

34:07 ↗ City's

34:10 ↗ signals I I have a question with these

34:14 ↗ yeah with these policy decisions are

34:16 ↗ those based off of those concurrency

34:19 ↗ discussions or some of them will be

34:21 ↗ because if these are included in the CIP

34:24 ↗ I I mean CIP is not the obviously but um

34:29 ↗ are they aren't they also just technical

34:32 ↗ CIP projects in sense because there's

34:34 ↗ building off of Prior projects as well

34:38 ↗ yeah so none of none of so some of these

34:42 ↗ things aren't in the CIP because uh

34:45 ↗ first they will start off as something

34:49 ↗ other than a capital project and start

34:51 ↗ off as a policy um and then depending on

34:57 ↗ how council with all of your input uh

35:00 ↗ feels they may lead to a capital project

35:04 ↗ so for example leading pedestrian

35:05 ↗ interval they need to have a

35:08 ↗ conversation um as they're talking about

35:10 ↗ traffic concurrency

35:12 ↗ policy um as to whether or not that is a

35:17 ↗ practice that they want to incorporate

35:20 ↗ into our traffic signal management do

35:23 ↗ they want to do LPI and if the answer to

35:26 ↗ that is yes and um if you get the

35:29 ↗ guidance on um setting the criteria for

35:32 ↗ that you which

35:34 ↗ intersections um then ultimately that

35:37 ↗ could lead to a capital project where we

35:40 ↗ then have to go and up upgrade um signal

35:44 ↗ cabinets and other things to make sure

35:45 ↗ that we can run a leading pedestrian

35:48 ↗ interval in those intersections did that

35:50 ↗ answer your question I think so I mean

35:52 ↗ like the other question is like what's

35:54 ↗ the timeline but that's the timeline on

35:57 ↗ on the policy development yeah so the

36:00 ↗ concurrency policy being first I think

36:03 ↗ is going to be heading to

36:08 ↗ council you guys

36:11 ↗ remember so first we do the technical

36:13 ↗ update and that is um I think coming

36:17 ↗ before the end of the year I'm not sure

36:20 ↗ if the policy conversation is going to

36:22 ↗ kick off before the end of this year but

36:24 ↗ the technical update is really sh

36:26 ↗ sharing all the uh traffic counts and

36:29 ↗ traffic traffic data that we um collect

36:33 ↗ and knowing the performance of our

36:37 ↗ signal today so our intersections

36:40 ↗ meaning our level of service standards

36:42 ↗ that were set the last time Council

36:44 ↗ adopted the concurrency policy so they

36:46 ↗ have that discussion first what does the

36:48 ↗ data tell us about our current state and

36:53 ↗ then we bring back the policy questions

36:56 ↗ so I will get back to you and let you

36:58 ↗ know what schedule that's on but

37:01 ↗ um it it will be uh debated and decided

37:08 ↗ in no later than

37:11 ↗ 2024 may it started before the end of

37:13 ↗ this

37:15 ↗ year

37:19 ↗ sure

37:22 ↗ okay um also just a quick note on

37:25 ↗ funding

37:28 ↗ currently we have an operating budget

37:30 ↗ that also supports its yeah I just

37:33 ↗ looked up the DAT

37:36 ↗ uh anticipated project completion is

37:38 ↗ September of 24th September 24th thank

37:42 ↗ you so

37:44 ↗ much

37:45 ↗ yeah uh so

37:49 ↗ the Ci's operting budget does contribute

37:52 ↗ now to running our its and and right now

37:57 ↗ we're spending about a million and a

37:59 ↗ quarter on all the labor and equipment

38:02 ↗ to keep the system running does that

38:05 ↗ include the new FTE no no this is

38:08 ↗ existing so it doesn't it's it's not

38:11 ↗ based on the future level of investment

38:14 ↗ that we will need this is just current

38:15 ↗ state so we have some operating dollars

38:18 ↗ um and then we also get uh funds from

38:22 ↗ CIP funding sources which include uh

38:25 ↗ currently the um general fund and

38:29 ↗ general fund funding sources whether

38:32 ↗ that's sales tax or re um and uh the CIP

38:38 ↗ also this iteration shows that some of

38:42 ↗ the its projects should be supported by

38:44 ↗ the transportation benefit sales tax

38:47 ↗ which is um a proposal before the

38:50 ↗ council now and they're seeking public

38:52 ↗ comment on that and will be over the

38:55 ↗ next uh

38:57 ↗ few weeks month and a

38:59 ↗ halfish and uh so we hope um that uh

39:05 ↗ based on the conversations that they

39:07 ↗ have with community members that uh they

39:10 ↗ will move forward with the sales tax so

39:12 ↗ that we can better support its projects

39:15 ↗ in the future and then as you know we

39:18 ↗ also get grants that help us to fund

39:21 ↗ itts what's what's undetermined

39:23 ↗ undetermined well so this is exactly

39:26 ↗ what it looks like at the CIP if you go

39:28 ↗ and read the projects funding table it

39:32 ↗ will say undetermined or it will have no

39:36 ↗ funding source shown and that just means

39:39 ↗ typically that the project is further

39:41 ↗ out into the future it's year five year

39:44 ↗ six and we haven't yet decided is this

39:46 ↗ going to be funded by general fund or uh

39:50 ↗ the TBD sales tax or are did we get the

39:53 ↗ grant that we thought we might go for so

39:56 ↗ it's there's just not

39:59 ↗ yet did we win the

40:04 ↗ lottery okay um so so far uh as we've

40:08 ↗ been talking about bits and parts of the

40:10 ↗ plan and as we went to Mobility

40:13 ↗ infrastructure committee we continue to

40:16 ↗ hear that there's a lot of good support

40:18 ↗ for um the focus on the foundational

40:21 ↗ efforts and building our Readiness to um

40:26 ↗ take on

40:27 ↗ more uh there's also been good agreement

40:31 ↗ that the capital projects that were

40:33 ↗ proposed were aligned with the goals

40:35 ↗ that were set for

40:37 ↗ its uh there has been good feedback

40:41 ↗ about moving on that Continuum to the

40:44 ↗ optimized State and support for making

40:47 ↗ the Investments we need to make to get

40:49 ↗ there and then we certainly heard from

40:51 ↗ you and from the council that they would

40:54 ↗ like to keep engaged on the policy

40:56 ↗ questions that have yet to be um

41:00 ↗ answered and uh also continue to be

41:04 ↗ engaged in those investment priories as

41:06 ↗ that its Universe continues to evolve

41:09 ↗ and as we learn as we

41:12 ↗ go so next step as I said is to go back

41:16 ↗ before Council uh late breaking news

41:19 ↗ State should say November 6 now that's

41:23 ↗ when we intend to go back and

41:27 ↗ I

41:28 ↗ would love to hear your feedback yeah or

41:32 ↗ questions so one uh I'm guessing you're

41:35 ↗ taking it to the council correct on the

41:38 ↗ 16th NOP November 6

41:42 ↗ okay

41:44 ↗ um did you want us there to just be

41:48 ↗ there so I think the transportation

41:51 ↗ Advisory board

41:53 ↗ has customarily sent someone to just us

41:58 ↗ mobility and infrastructure more

42:00 ↗ typically in the recent yeah since that

42:02 ↗ was formed as opposed to of council

42:06 ↗ but sure question yep that's true so

42:09 ↗ mostly at the committee level it has

42:12 ↗ happened um I know they're not we're out

42:15 ↗ of sequence a little bit um because the

42:18 ↗ we needed to get before mobility and

42:20 ↗ infrastructure and because we

42:22 ↗ weren't seeking sort of your um

42:26 ↗ recommendation for the council to adopt

42:29 ↗ we're doing something different with

42:30 ↗ this plan so I think they would welcome

42:34 ↗ a a comment um from the board but I

42:36 ↗ certainly will take the feedback that

42:38 ↗ you have tonight and I can um verbalize

42:42 ↗ that

42:46 ↗ to I can share what I would say is that

42:49 ↗ um I would as the chair always trying to

42:52 ↗ recruit people to go to some of the more

42:54 ↗ contentious meetings I would I would

42:55 ↗ just say

42:57 ↗ this isn't one that I would put as a

42:58 ↗ high priority um but I would certainly

43:01 ↗ never discourage anybody from just going

43:03 ↗ um but I'm not going to try to twist

43:05 ↗ anyone's arm to to prioritize this just

43:08 ↗ because we're all busy and um I I just

43:11 ↗ because of kind of what you described um

43:13 ↗ in terms of something we've been

43:16 ↗ wrestling with as late that we want to

43:18 ↗ hear more

43:19 ↗ about so I'm not saying it's not a

43:22 ↗ priority I'm saying our presence at that

43:24 ↗ meeting is priority

43:29 ↗ but there will be other times when I'll

43:30 ↗ twist people's arms to make sure we get

43:32 ↗ to volunteer because it it is I think

43:33 ↗ valuable in certain cases sure and and I

43:37 ↗ think they will be very eager uh to hear

43:41 ↗ directly from you as we start talking

43:43 ↗ about these

43:45 ↗ policies as we start implementing and

43:48 ↗ think pries need to be

43:52 ↗ adjusted I guess to kick off the

43:55 ↗ discussion about feedback or the the

43:58 ↗ rapid ho I mean um in terms of switching

44:01 ↗ the services and people yes I mean

44:04 ↗ that's the only like direct thing that I

44:06 ↗ can answer right now uh I think it would

44:09 ↗ make sense to switch it just for a

44:11 ↗ matter of flow who putting goods and

44:13 ↗ services together and people at the end

44:16 ↗ it's awkward to have Goods people

44:20 ↗ Services people being between good and

44:23 ↗ services do makees sense

44:32 ↗ com well thank you for

44:35 ↗ that I had a couple comments I have a

44:38 ↗ lot of questions but they're not really

44:39 ↗ that important it's more of satisfying

44:41 ↗ my curiosity but um

44:44 ↗ I

44:46 ↗ was um it's a great piece of work um I

44:50 ↗ had a little

44:51 ↗ trouble and I think it's volunteers that

44:53 ↗ sit on an Advisory board that don't work

44:55 ↗ on this business St today we're

44:56 ↗ constantly faced with like wait is that

44:58 ↗ familiar we seen this before but

45:00 ↗ sometimes during reading through the

45:01 ↗ document I had trouble figuring out what

45:04 ↗ were some of the pieces that already

45:06 ↗ existed yes and what was part of this

45:09 ↗ new that what has um come part of the

45:13 ↗ plan that once we took a look and wrote

45:15 ↗ a plan we added it in and um and I may

45:17 ↗ be the only one but there were just a

45:19 ↗ few things that I I noticed um one

45:20 ↗ example was and I wrote a note to myself

45:23 ↗ um page 21 you talked about the city

45:25 ↗ standardizing on a particular technology

45:27 ↗ platform and I lost track of whether you

45:30 ↗ meant since you started doing this work

45:32 ↗ and thinking of it in this way or did we

45:34 ↗ standardize on that years ago and so and

45:37 ↗ the same thing with the I did go through

45:39 ↗ the Staffing plan and I I found that I

45:41 ↗ got lost about where we were and where

45:44 ↗ we want to go and what about this

45:47 ↗ planning exercise produced some of these

45:49 ↗ new things and it so I just kind down a

45:51 ↗ little bit lost at times and um so I I

45:55 ↗ that's just some general feedback that

45:58 ↗ may be limited to just the more casual

46:01 ↗ reader but I did um spend some time with

46:04 ↗ it and I kind of lost my way a couple

46:05 ↗ times between what had been and what we

46:07 ↗ were

46:09 ↗ proposing you know given the new plan

46:11 ↗ and then the only other thing I was kind

46:12 ↗ of curious was once it was all pulled

46:15 ↗ together did you have anything that

46:18 ↗ surprised

46:19 ↗ you because we um have seen a lot of

46:23 ↗ this material before but um

46:26 ↗ I was just curious whether there was any

46:28 ↗ anything that new that came out of like

46:30 ↗ a very lovely document essentially like

46:34 ↗ once it was all pulled together was

46:35 ↗ there anything that gave you a different

46:37 ↗ look

46:38 ↗ that uh let me let me answer that and

46:43 ↗ kind of respond to one of the comments

46:45 ↗ you made so I think I think the pieces

46:48 ↗ that you all hadn't seen

46:51 ↗ before was were the um

46:58 ↗ a more full uh discussion of our current

47:03 ↗ Staffing and our future staffing

47:05 ↗ needs um I think the only Staffing that

47:09 ↗ we really spoke to you about in Deb when

47:12 ↗ we came to talk

47:14 ↗ about uh developing the priorities for

47:17 ↗ the CIP and and describing those

47:20 ↗ projects at that same time we also spoke

47:23 ↗ about the approach to its and need to

47:26 ↗ really focus on getting up to speed on

47:29 ↗ Replacements and repairs and maintenance

47:31 ↗ and the fact that we had only two signal

47:34 ↗ texts and they were working like a third

47:37 ↗ job um together in terms of overtime uh

47:41 ↗ just to keep our current system running

47:43 ↗ and I think we explained that we were

47:46 ↗ poised and ready to ask for another

47:49 ↗ signal Tech position in advance of this

47:53 ↗ plan because we knew the need was next

47:55 ↗ now and we did that and we have filled

47:59 ↗ that position so that was the only

48:01 ↗ sapping piece that we had spoken to

48:03 ↗ about we um foreshadowed that we knew

48:06 ↗ the plan was going to um describe new

48:10 ↗ activities in the future as yeah

48:13 ↗ someone's going to have to do that and

48:14 ↗ that we would be asking for more stuff

48:16 ↗ but at that point in time I didn't know

48:18 ↗ exactly what that was look like wasn't a

48:20 ↗ surprise but um I learned more as as we

48:24 ↗ did the work to IFI what that effort was

48:27 ↗ going to be um and then the other piece

48:30 ↗ that you um didn't get to see all the

48:33 ↗ bits and pieces on um involves that the

48:37 ↗ inventory we spent quite a bit of time I

48:39 ↗ think talking to you about uh how we

48:42 ↗ were in rough shape on our field devices

48:45 ↗ yeah that's the part way I remember yes

48:47 ↗ um but uh we we were still in the

48:50 ↗ process of quantifying all the other

48:53 ↗ assets and plugging those into GI

48:56 ↗ and so again not a surprise but great to

48:59 ↗ see um more comprehensively and be able

49:03 ↗ to have that at our fingertips so that

49:05 ↗ from my my computer at my desk I can

49:08 ↗ pull up a layer now on GIS and I can see

49:11 ↗ it that's it's like basic stuff know we

49:15 ↗ can do it so that's great um all the

49:18 ↗ other all the other pieces by large you

49:20 ↗ know the big mey stuff the mission the

49:22 ↗ objectives the the priorities the

49:26 ↗ projects um we had by and

49:30 ↗ large worked with you to develop or had

49:33 ↗ show

49:39 ↗ last anybody else have any questions or

49:43 ↗ comments quick observation for me was

49:45 ↗ tonight was the first time I saw those

49:47 ↗ two 2.5 FTE I didn't see them before

49:52 ↗ didn't know that it it was like last

49:55 ↗ time we talked pretty much all about

49:58 ↗ software and Hardware yes not people and

50:02 ↗ now um so uh that's a good thing I think

50:06 ↗ that brings it right down to new degree

50:09 ↗ the progress that's been made on this

50:13 ↗ so I'm

50:17 ↗ good great well thank you all not only

50:21 ↗ for your feedback tonight but for all

50:23 ↗ the work that you put into the plan

50:26 ↗ would have done it without you um we're

50:29 ↗ really looking forward to taking it to

50:31 ↗ the city council in November and much

50:34 ↗ much more looking forward to getting

50:37 ↗ into

50:38 ↗ implementation we continue to keep the

50:41 ↗ price so those new 2.5 FP be in the

50:46 ↗ new uh well we in the planet uh talks

50:50 ↗ about those being needs between now and

50:53 ↗ I think 2027 oh might be the latest one

50:57 ↗ in the plan um so we will be asking uh

51:03 ↗ well we have started asking like with

51:05 ↗ the signal Tech uh we have some

51:08 ↗ reclassifications coming uh with the mid

51:11 ↗ biannual budget update we have reclass

51:14 ↗ and probably uh maybe one of those

51:17 ↗ positions that we will ask for in the

51:19 ↗ next final budget which is the 2526

51:24 ↗ budget so in all this hard stuff I got

51:27 ↗ to tell you that the signal text when I

51:31 ↗ go up on the plateau and I'm heading up

51:33 ↗ by Swedish and I get to that light and

51:37 ↗ it turns red and I look and there's

51:39 ↗ nobody coming from any other direction

51:42 ↗ my belief is there a signal Tech that

51:45 ↗ knows my

51:47 ↗ car intelligent

51:50 ↗ traff not artificial intelligence either

51:54 ↗ intell it's a joke I have to say it

51:57 ↗ because you always that red light yes

52:00 ↗ that red light and I go there's nobody

52:05 ↗ here he figured it

52:07 ↗ out so it's got to be a signal tag press

52:10 ↗ that button

52:14 ↗ ah thank you well thank you for that

52:17 ↗ thank

52:19 ↗ you uh good well that sounds like that

52:21 ↗ wraps up that topic and we'll move on to

52:24 ↗ uh the Transit plan which

52:27 ↗ is item 4B Thomas are you ready to take

52:31 ↗ that

52:35 ↗ okay all right uh thanks everybody for

52:37 ↗ having me today uh this is sort of a

52:40 ↗ continuation from last time I was here

52:42 ↗ in July uh so at that meeting I sort of

52:46 ↗ introduced Light Rail planning generally

52:48 ↗ um and talked about the need of creating

52:51 ↗ a community uh driven guiding uh set

52:55 ↗ instead of guing principles and sort of

52:56 ↗ a vision for how the community would

52:59 ↗ like to see liel in the

53:01 ↗ community um so that's sort of what I'm

53:03 ↗ here to talk about today I'm hoping to

53:05 ↗ get your feedback on a plan that we've

53:08 ↗ developed in order to develop that

53:10 ↗ vision and I have some questions for you

53:13 ↗ uh so first question is does the

53:16 ↗ proposed approach meet the public

53:18 ↗ participation

53:20 ↗ goals and second question is are there

53:23 ↗ any additional Community interests or

53:25 ↗ audiences that are missing from the

53:27 ↗ potential audiences and stakeholders

53:29 ↗ list and that's on page 5 through six of

53:32 ↗ attachment a in the

53:34 ↗ memo um and so this map I shared at the

53:38 ↗ July tab meeting um just to sort of

53:41 ↗ summarize this is uh the line four so

53:45 ↗ this is what we're expecting to come to

53:47 ↗ isqua uh the project is currently being

53:50 ↗ managed towards a

53:52 ↗ 2041 uh time period uh somewhere between

53:56 ↗ 2041 and 44 is when we're expecting

53:59 ↗ Light Rail to come uh we're expecting it

54:01 ↗ in central isqua uh but the actual

54:04 ↗ location is to be determined um and it

54:08 ↗ will be determined by The Sound Transit

54:10 ↗ board in the late 2020s uh so that's

54:13 ↗ sort of what we know right now and so

54:15 ↗ our goal is really to be proactive about

54:17 ↗ this to make sure that uh this one uh

54:20 ↗ station that comes to isqua is sort of

54:22 ↗ reflective of our community's goals

54:26 ↗ uh so as we've been sort of going

54:28 ↗ through the transit study one of the

54:30 ↗ things that our Consultants have

54:32 ↗ identified is that need to develop the

54:35 ↗ guiding principles uh developed by the

54:38 ↗ community um for that one station and so

54:41 ↗ with that so sort of looking through

54:43 ↗ this as a as a flowchart uh using those

54:46 ↗ guiding principles as our measuring

54:48 ↗ stick we can then

54:49 ↗ determine uh the preferred station

54:52 ↗ location and the alignment so where the

54:55 ↗ tracks are going the alignment uh

54:58 ↗ preferences by the community um and as I

55:01 ↗ said at the July meeting uh those you

55:03 ↗ know would be ultimately determined by

55:05 ↗ The Sound Transit board um but we're

55:08 ↗ sort of uh being proactive about

55:11 ↗ developing our preferred alternative um

55:14 ↗ and then also making it easy for Sound

55:17 ↗ Transit to uh sort of go along with us

55:21 ↗ um by also developing uh Transit support

55:24 ↗ of land use policies uh that sort of

55:27 ↗ also facilitate that so really sort of

55:30 ↗ giving a green light to the location uh

55:33 ↗ where we would prefer the alignment and

55:35 ↗ then um having land use policies that

55:37 ↗ would sort of help with development

55:40 ↗ around that station area so that the

55:41 ↗ area around the station uh really does

55:45 ↗ sort of develop in a way that would be

55:47 ↗ good for uh for light rail so that's at

55:51 ↗ a very high level that's sort of what

55:52 ↗ we're going with with this and it all

55:54 ↗ starts start with that Community Vision

55:56 ↗ which we're talking about

55:58 ↗ today um and so as we're sort of looking

56:01 ↗ at how we're going to get a concrete

56:04 ↗ Vision uh that concrete guiding

56:06 ↗ principles uh that will help us um I'm

56:09 ↗ here today to ask for your feedback to

56:11 ↗ see how we go about doing that um and so

56:14 ↗ the plan we have today uh is to really

56:20 ↗ um engage with diverse stakeholder

56:22 ↗ groups uh we want to engage with uh

56:25 ↗ there's I believe it's six different uh

56:28 ↗ high level groups um which I'll go into

56:31 ↗ more detail soon um and we also want to

56:35 ↗ provide accurate information to the

56:36 ↗ community about what what we can uh

56:39 ↗ reasonably expect through this process

56:42 ↗ and we also want to provide a variety of

56:44 ↗ participation options so those are the

56:47 ↗ three goals that we have and uh my first

56:49 ↗ question uh that I'm hoping to get

56:51 ↗ feedback on is uh do does a proposal

56:54 ↗ meet these

56:55 ↗ goals and so the approach that we have

56:59 ↗ is uh is here so we would continue to

57:02 ↗ use the transit study website which we

57:05 ↗ have currently developed will be sort of

57:07 ↗ the the area that folks could go to uh

57:11 ↗ when we provide links um to different uh

57:13 ↗ things um also a good way to just get uh

57:16 ↗ more up to date on what's going on with

57:19 ↗ Transit um we're also hoping to do popup

57:22 ↗ events to engage with Community Based

57:25 ↗ organizations um something that we've

57:27 ↗ been uh doing since I believe August of

57:31 ↗ ofh 21 um as part of the transit study

57:35 ↗ so you know we've been engaging with a

57:38 ↗ lot of groups uh so continuing to do

57:40 ↗ that making sure that uh we're going

57:42 ↗ where people are already meeting um so

57:44 ↗ an example could be uh you know going to

57:46 ↗ the senior center uh when folks are

57:49 ↗ having lunch I'm just giving a short

57:52 ↗ presentation making sure that people uh

57:55 ↗ know what we're up to and then maybe

57:57 ↗ getting feedback then so just a really

57:59 ↗ quick way of going where people are

58:01 ↗ already hanging out

58:04 ↗ um it's it's less a formal setting so

58:06 ↗ people are more comfortable to chat with

58:08 ↗ you so it's just kind of a a nice way to

58:10 ↗ do it um top events would be at all

58:14 ↗ sorts of different groups so that was

58:16 ↗ just sort of one example um but hoping

58:18 ↗ to do that uh over over the year

58:22 ↗ um also hoping to develop focus groups

58:26 ↗ with those six groups that I'll mention

58:29 ↗ in a minute um the goal would be to have

58:32 ↗ facilitated conversations with those

58:34 ↗ groups groups would be I believe eight

58:37 ↗ to 10 people um it' be co- facilitated

58:41 ↗ by uh by two isqua staff members um and

58:46 ↗ then we would want to work with um

58:48 ↗ Community leaders and other um you know

58:50 ↗ Business Leaders who are well known by

58:52 ↗ the groups uh to sort of help

58:55 ↗ uh with those

58:57 ↗ conversations those groups would be

58:58 ↗ formed by isqua staff we would uh work

59:02 ↗ uh with the various organizations to

59:05 ↗ make sure that there's a you know good

59:08 ↗ representation all those groups so that

59:11 ↗ lots of diverse voices are are on those

59:13 ↗ six

59:15 ↗ groups we're also helping to develop a

59:17 ↗ multilingual Community survey um we did

59:20 ↗ that with the trend study it was really

59:22 ↗ well received um for the transit study

59:25 ↗ specifically I remember I think we had

59:28 ↗ 11% uh folks take it in in Mandarin

59:33 ↗ which is really exciting so um so we had

59:35 ↗ Mandarin in English uh take that survey

59:39 ↗ uh and that was sort of uh it's a good

59:42 ↗ start we're hoping to get uh even more

59:44 ↗ diverse voices on it so we're hoping to

59:46 ↗ sort of build on the successes of that

59:49 ↗ um and create another survey to also get

59:52 ↗ feedback on live rail station area

59:55 ↗ planning and sort of ideas on what the

59:58 ↗ Lil station could look like um all this

1:00:02 ↗ information that's collected uh either

1:00:04 ↗ from you know various Communications at

1:00:06 ↗ pop-up events uh through the focus

1:00:08 ↗ groups uh through like facilitate

1:00:11 ↗ discussions in that and then all the

1:00:12 ↗ survey information uh hoping to channel

1:00:15 ↗ that to the city boards and commissions

1:00:17 ↗ and then eventually to uh the city

1:00:21 ↗ council and so this is sort of that uh

1:00:24 ↗ proposed hierarchy that I just said um

1:00:28 ↗ so just sort of looking at the tab

1:00:30 ↗ specifically uh I would want

1:00:32 ↗ to provide uh information from the

1:00:36 ↗ mobility uh advocacy groups

1:00:40 ↗ um to the tab specifically uh where that

1:00:44 ↗ information could be uh the most well

1:00:47 ↗ digested um so for the tab specifically

1:00:52 ↗ it would be like uh survey uh survey

1:00:55 ↗ information uh information from Mobility

1:00:58 ↗ focus groups and then go through the tab

1:01:01 ↗ uh you would then uh hear all the

1:01:04 ↗ information and then be able to provide

1:01:06 ↗ information to the committee of the

1:01:08 ↗ whole um and just sort of going top to

1:01:11 ↗ bottom uh the planning policy commission

1:01:14 ↗ and the uh envir sorry the uh economic

1:01:19 ↗ thank you economic Vitality commission

1:01:21 ↗ uh would receive uh feedback from

1:01:24 ↗ business uh stakeholders and development

1:01:28 ↗ stakeholders um and then the equity

1:01:31 ↗ board and the Human Services Commission

1:01:34 ↗ would receive um feedback received from

1:01:38 ↗ Human Services and limited English

1:01:41 ↗ proficient uh stakeholders as well as um

1:01:44 ↗ feedback from Seniors and

1:01:47 ↗ youth so sort of uh you know we're we're

1:01:51 ↗ really hoping to get like a lot of

1:01:52 ↗ feedback from all these groups and then

1:01:54 ↗ getting feedback through the board and

1:01:55 ↗ the commissions and then funneling that

1:01:57 ↗ through the the council

1:01:59 ↗ so that's sort of been a nutshell what

1:02:01 ↗ we're hoping to do um and then this is

1:02:04 ↗ the proposed schedule so it would you

1:02:05 ↗ know be about a year-long process um

1:02:10 ↗ and at this time uh the proposal would

1:02:13 ↗ be to develop a participation plan uh

1:02:17 ↗ informational materials and we would

1:02:19 ↗ begin uh potentially recruiting for

1:02:22 ↗ focus groups uh beginning as early as

1:02:24 ↗ small uh moving into winter we would

1:02:28 ↗ develop the community survey which again

1:02:30 ↗ would be multilingual um it would be an

1:02:32 ↗ online survey we could uh also which I

1:02:35 ↗ have done previously um print out that

1:02:37 ↗ survey and then get handwritten copies

1:02:40 ↗ um for folks that prefer just to write

1:02:42 ↗ on paper um we would then also uh you

1:02:47 ↗ know do pop-up events uh We've launched

1:02:50 ↗ the survey and then again go through the

1:02:52 ↗ board of commissions before us providing

1:02:56 ↗ all this information to the commity the

1:02:57 ↗ whole um and then developing the final

1:03:00 ↗ vision and goals um for the station

1:03:06 ↗ area uh so tonight uh hoping to get

1:03:09 ↗ feedback on these two questions and I

1:03:11 ↗ can stop here and answer

1:03:16 ↗ questions so first a little uh Financial

1:03:21 ↗ background because sound's putting out

1:03:23 ↗ new information

1:03:25 ↗ last few weeks on as they're starting to

1:03:28 ↗ figure out they're they're exploring

1:03:29 ↗ some pricing models different pricing

1:03:31 ↗ models so put out some new information

1:03:33 ↗ so this B A squa Line cost $2.5

1:03:39 ↗ billion it's

1:03:42 ↗ $127,000 per daily average writer so

1:03:46 ↗ they're spending

1:03:47 ↗ $127,000 per person who's just going to

1:03:49 ↗ ride it to build

1:03:51 ↗ this um and the average or what they

1:03:54 ↗ expect the uh subsidized cost per

1:03:59 ↗ ride is uh

1:04:03 ↗ $18 per ride per Rider this is all in $4

1:04:07 ↗ too so you know add 50% or so

1:04:11 ↗ um point on that is just if you were to

1:04:15 ↗ invest if you had2 and half billion

1:04:16 ↗ dollar safe withdrawal rate of 3% that's

1:04:19 ↗ $75 million a year what could that pay

1:04:23 ↗ for buses I mean this is a a line that

1:04:25 ↗ just goes back and forth $75 million a

1:04:28 ↗ year would certainly pay for a lot of

1:04:31 ↗ buses going back and forth all day

1:04:34 ↗ long you would be building all this

1:04:37 ↗ infrastructure um we also talked about

1:04:41 ↗ safety last time we were here talking

1:04:44 ↗ about this shortly after that meeting in

1:04:47 ↗ one week there was a stabbing and a

1:04:51 ↗ lending on light rail there there was

1:04:54 ↗ the udub study that came out that our uh

1:04:57 ↗ bus riders especially bus drivers are

1:05:00 ↗ exposed to meth and Fetal are detectable

1:05:03 ↗ on every single

1:05:04 ↗ bus and so what I'm not seeing

1:05:08 ↗ here is anything about you know what

1:05:12 ↗ what about like victims of crime are

1:05:15 ↗ they represented

1:05:17 ↗ here mean it seems like this is a major

1:05:21 ↗ problem and we are just saying yes this

1:05:25 ↗ is all good well we also need to address

1:05:28 ↗ what are the downsides because there are

1:05:32 ↗ there's always some right cost is always

1:05:34 ↗ be one safety is going to be another how

1:05:36 ↗ do we actually go and assess that as we

1:05:39 ↗ look at this this vision and if you're

1:05:42 ↗ going to get your return on investment

1:05:43 ↗ you know we really need to understand

1:05:45 ↗ what that investment is so we're you

1:05:48 ↗ know smart about how we're then

1:05:50 ↗ investing in that area that the line

1:05:52 ↗ goes

1:05:53 ↗ to um the other thing is maybe that's

1:05:57 ↗ just through that Mobility one but it

1:06:00 ↗ seemed like there's maybe not enough of

1:06:02 ↗ just writer input or projected writer

1:06:05 ↗ input maybe that needs to be a specific

1:06:08 ↗ group and you figure out how do you go

1:06:10 ↗ get how do you get people that like ride

1:06:13 ↗ the equivalent bus route today and how

1:06:16 ↗ do you get people that would write it if

1:06:18 ↗ it is if this

1:06:20 ↗ exists as a dedicated group to get inut

1:06:23 ↗ from

1:06:30 ↗ so I guess the the equivalent you know

1:06:32 ↗ would be the

1:06:34 ↗ 554 effectively right

1:06:36 ↗ so um so your proposal is that current

1:06:40 ↗ writ current writers of the 554 um or or

1:06:44 ↗ potential

1:06:46 ↗ writers and then you're also um wanting

1:06:49 ↗ more feedback from uh folks who have

1:06:53 ↗ been viced

1:06:55 ↗ right I mean have people who are

1:06:57 ↗ concerned about the safety of Lally

1:07:01 ↗ being on this this

1:07:09 ↗ line

1:07:11 ↗ I'll I'll pop in um can I ask about the

1:07:16 ↗ engagement hierarchy and like any

1:07:19 ↗ flexibility uh there because when it

1:07:23 ↗ comes to the interchangeability of you

1:07:27 ↗ know Mobility development they're

1:07:30 ↗ integral together right um I don't think

1:07:34 ↗ you can have a discussion of one not the

1:07:36 ↗ other and so is there at any point like

1:07:40 ↗ some flexibility to have like

1:07:43 ↗ inter um City Board commission talks and

1:07:48 ↗ group group meetings about these topics

1:07:52 ↗ as we did uh one was back in February

1:07:55 ↗ before the other

1:07:57 ↗ um discussing back then sure yeah and so

1:08:00 ↗ in this proposal I am sort

1:08:02 ↗ of for efficiency I was envisioning the

1:08:06 ↗ planning policy commission and the

1:08:09 ↗ economic Vitality commission meeting

1:08:11 ↗ together so that's sort of like a joint

1:08:13 ↗ meeting

1:08:15 ↗ um are you are you interested in

1:08:18 ↗ specifically hearing from one of these

1:08:22 ↗ groups uh Beyond

1:08:25 ↗ Mobility I think that's what you're

1:08:27 ↗ getting at right like you're hoping to

1:08:29 ↗ um are you hoping to meet with another

1:08:31 ↗ commission specifically or are you

1:08:33 ↗ hoping to get information from focus

1:08:35 ↗ groups specifically I think it would be

1:08:37 ↗ useful you know probably for for both

1:08:39 ↗ but you know for efficiency purposes you

1:08:41 ↗ know just to

1:08:43 ↗ have like one meeting with you know one

1:08:46 ↗ meeting with you know the equity board

1:08:47 ↗ for example to he their take on making

1:08:50 ↗ sure that young people

1:08:52 ↗ you and senior people's perspective to

1:08:55 ↗ have meeting with planing policy

1:08:57 ↗ commission to hear from them about you

1:09:00 ↗ know the development um and their ideas

1:09:02 ↗ about that um and then exchange our

1:09:06 ↗ ideas with them without that it might be

1:09:09 ↗ useful

1:09:10 ↗ to um and then another thing just about

1:09:14 ↗ the

1:09:15 ↗ timeline um you know when when it comes

1:09:17 ↗ to focus group meetings are those

1:09:19 ↗ happening because they're not really

1:09:20 ↗ specified on the timeline are those

1:09:23 ↗ happening with

1:09:24 ↗ spring

1:09:27 ↗ 2024 uh sorry can you repeat that uh

1:09:32 ↗ yeah when when are the focus group when

1:09:35 ↗ are the focus groups Med are they is

1:09:37 ↗ that winter spring 2024 uh yeah so it

1:09:40 ↗ would yeah I should have put that in

1:09:42 ↗ there um looking potentially at winter

1:09:45 ↗ spring um yeah just with like holidays I

1:09:48 ↗ would imagine it might be kind of

1:09:50 ↗ difficult in Winter uh to have those

1:09:53 ↗ meetings but um would would certainly

1:09:55 ↗ want to do it

1:09:57 ↗ um at least the beginning of of next

1:09:59 ↗ year yeah I think I think primarily my

1:10:03 ↗ goal would be to uh continue with

1:10:06 ↗ Outreach and pop events to sort of

1:10:09 ↗ consider if you might be interested in

1:10:11 ↗ being on that um so sort of the

1:10:14 ↗ recruitment aspect be important and

1:10:16 ↗ having enough time to recruit um folks

1:10:19 ↗ to be on that would be good

1:10:22 ↗ um I think in in terms of timing they

1:10:25 ↗ don't all need to happen at the same

1:10:27 ↗ time whenever it feels sort of organic

1:10:30 ↗ um but we' want to be in a position

1:10:31 ↗ where we have enough information um to

1:10:35 ↗ really have some good questions for them

1:10:37 ↗ uh and to be able to facilitate those

1:10:39 ↗ good conversations so um I think it's

1:10:43 ↗ kind of squishy right now but I would I

1:10:44 ↗ would

1:10:45 ↗ imagine uh you know early 2024 it' be

1:10:49 ↗ when those focus groups

1:10:52 ↗ happen um another bombarding with

1:10:55 ↗ questions so I had an interesting

1:10:56 ↗ conversation with some Sound Transit um

1:11:00 ↗ Community engagements on the operations

1:11:02 ↗ side people and I mean they're proba not

1:11:05 ↗ know about the capital projects because

1:11:08 ↗ capital projects folks are are different

1:11:11 ↗ and they're more um focused on you know

1:11:14 ↗ whenever the capital products are being

1:11:15 ↗ built out really um but they were saying

1:11:18 ↗ like they are not really know about when

1:11:21 ↗ Sound Transit will be hiring um an

1:11:24 ↗ Outreach community outreach person or

1:11:26 ↗ Community engagement person for the East

1:11:28 ↗ you know flying for is

1:11:31 ↗ there would that matter at all for for

1:11:33 ↗ you do you think no I've heard the same

1:11:36 ↗ thing honestly um we are substantially

1:11:40 ↗ ahead of the the curve uh which is by

1:11:44 ↗ Design we we want to be ahead of it um

1:11:47 ↗ but yeah they haven't staffed the line

1:11:49 ↗ for project yet uh good for us but yeah

1:11:55 ↗ um we will want to get more information

1:11:59 ↗ as it becomes available but right now

1:12:00 ↗ we're uh with the information that we

1:12:03 ↗ have and with history of how other

1:12:06 ↗ cities have done it um we are just

1:12:09 ↗ trying to be proactive about it

1:12:12 ↗ um yeah that's that's all I can say

1:12:15 ↗ about I guess

1:12:19 ↗ yeah my questions for now I have a

1:12:21 ↗ couple that I want to see if we've got

1:12:23 ↗ any other over

1:12:25 ↗ here so um is it because of expense

1:12:28 ↗ we're limited to to one

1:12:32 ↗ station that's the plan or maybe it's

1:12:35 ↗ because we don't have a large number of

1:12:38 ↗ writers

1:12:39 ↗ or something like that yeah I'm just

1:12:43 ↗ trying to figure out what your survey

1:12:47 ↗ questions like yeah we we haven't we

1:12:49 ↗ haven't developed the survey questions

1:12:51 ↗ yet but um it's it's really going to be

1:12:54 ↗ around how we want that station to look

1:12:57 ↗ like um how it fits in with the

1:13:00 ↗ community um what we want like what what

1:13:05 ↗ are you know it's a vision exercise so

1:13:07 ↗ it's it's sort of like if you had a

1:13:10 ↗ station how would you want it to look

1:13:12 ↗ and like how would you want to be able

1:13:14 ↗ to get there and

1:13:16 ↗ like where would you want to go once you

1:13:19 ↗ get on the you know just all all these

1:13:22 ↗ questions about

1:13:29 ↗ system so maybe this is

1:13:31 ↗ too detailed but you know we we do have

1:13:35 ↗ that parking garage right and and so you

1:13:39 ↗ you would wonder and it's a sound

1:13:41 ↗ transit parking

1:13:44 ↗ so would we be

1:13:47 ↗ necessarily um you know would that be on

1:13:49 ↗ the survey saying where you would want

1:13:54 ↗ these you know the station to be yeah

1:13:57 ↗ the station is far from where people

1:14:01 ↗ live right and so you know a lot of us

1:14:05 ↗ have to walk like 15 minutes or 20

1:14:08 ↗ minutes to get here which is about the

1:14:10 ↗ same to go to parking garage yeah so

1:14:15 ↗ even though it's considered the

1:14:18 ↗ C our Central Court isn't

1:14:22 ↗ really

1:14:24 ↗ so we is what the city of Ina expected

1:14:27 ↗ was that it would be developed

1:14:30 ↗ more after the transit came I guess or

1:14:34 ↗ something like that yeah these are these

1:14:36 ↗ are really good statements and like I

1:14:38 ↗ think the the goal is really to create

1:14:41 ↗ the guiding principles we don't want to

1:14:42 ↗ be too prescriptive because if we say we

1:14:45 ↗ want it exactly here without actually

1:14:47 ↗ doing a full-blown study we could

1:14:50 ↗ realize that oh that's actually like not

1:14:51 ↗ the best way to do it um because we

1:14:54 ↗ didn't have all the information in front

1:14:55 ↗ of us um so I think the goal is really

1:14:58 ↗ to be at a very high level

1:15:02 ↗ um let's talk about what do you want it

1:15:04 ↗ to look like and then based on

1:15:08 ↗ the many options out there some of which

1:15:12 ↗ some of which are not uh known at this

1:15:15 ↗ most of it is not known um we can then

1:15:18 ↗ use that as like just our measuring

1:15:19 ↗ stick to say okay if we want x y and z

1:15:23 ↗ how does that location match up with

1:15:26 ↗ what we want um so what one example

1:15:29 ↗ could be that

1:15:31 ↗ we prefer that station uh you know the

1:15:34 ↗ parking uh which is currently used by

1:15:37 ↗ the 554 and other buses so that that

1:15:39 ↗ could be an option um you see that's

1:15:42 ↗ more rare right than right yeah so we

1:15:46 ↗ want to get at the what and then once

1:15:48 ↗ once we know like what the what the

1:15:50 ↗ vision is we we can we can really

1:15:52 ↗ determine you know the best best option

1:15:55 ↗ for where we want um or we would prefer

1:15:58 ↗ that station uh right now I mean the the

1:16:01 ↗ expectation is that Central esquad is

1:16:04 ↗ going to be where all the growth happens

1:16:06 ↗ it hasn't happened yet um but we

1:16:10 ↗ certainly wouldn't get light rail uh

1:16:12 ↗ unless it did happen it just wouldn't

1:16:15 ↗ make sense um you really need you need

1:16:19 ↗ the jobs you need where people are

1:16:21 ↗ living you need all those activities

1:16:23 ↗ these before Light Rail even becomes

1:16:25 ↗ like an option so the expectation uh for

1:16:29 ↗ Sound Transit is that the development

1:16:32 ↗ does happen uh so

1:16:34 ↗ that can become right yeah

1:16:39 ↗ yeah your study is that

1:16:44 ↗ based but is that based on that's

1:16:48 ↗ supposedly the total cost for the B line

1:16:54 ↗ and a projected wrers ship I it doesn't

1:16:57 ↗ say projected writers ship it just says

1:16:59 ↗ the cost per average daily

1:17:02 ↗ writer uh construction cost you'd have

1:17:05 ↗ to pull construction costs out of the

1:17:06 ↗ total cost and then divide it and get

1:17:09 ↗ that I will say just generally about the

1:17:13 ↗ US I mean our public construction costs

1:17:17 ↗ in general are just very high I don't

1:17:19 ↗ think I mean it applies to Highway

1:17:21 ↗ projects it applies to any kind of

1:17:24 ↗ big public project the costs are always

1:17:28 ↗ going to be really high in the first

1:17:30 ↗ place and they're always going to go

1:17:31 ↗ above the budget it's just the reality

1:17:36 ↗ um yeah

1:17:39 ↗ inflation Construction in the US I want

1:17:42 ↗ to come back to that but did you have

1:17:44 ↗ anything else you wanted to say

1:17:50 ↗ about um I'm thinking outside the

1:17:56 ↗ box um I'm not I'm like what Mah said

1:18:00 ↗ the cost or the uh investment in such

1:18:04 ↗ projects why are we not thinking of the

1:18:07 ↗ new options of urban Transportation

1:18:11 ↗ where you can give that line to company

1:18:15 ↗ that has these driverless cars with

1:18:19 ↗ dedicated

1:18:21 ↗ Lane oh

1:18:23 ↗ that question uh voters in

1:18:26 ↗ 2016

1:18:28 ↗ voted to have sound transit public

1:18:32 ↗ company of sorts to build this line for

1:18:37 ↗ they didn't realize was G to be well we

1:18:40 ↗ did realize we we we voted on it and

1:18:43 ↗ then we voted against the cost of it

1:18:46 ↗ after we realized but that's a yeah

1:18:48 ↗ probably because I didn't attend the

1:18:50 ↗ previous ones but I've been reading

1:18:53 ↗ about companies that are now com like um

1:18:58 ↗ setups in California where you can deal

1:19:01 ↗ with them can contract with them a full

1:19:04 ↗ line they take the investment of that

1:19:07 ↗ line they have dedicated Lanes with

1:19:10 ↗ driverless cars

1:19:13 ↗ and it's a

1:19:15 ↗ win-win so I'm not I'm not just against

1:19:20 ↗ the um the life trade but there are

1:19:24 ↗ better ideas maybe or better return on

1:19:30 ↗ investment um I want to come back to

1:19:32 ↗ that and I want to just keep an eye on

1:19:33 ↗ the time because I want to make sure

1:19:34 ↗ that we get through the material that is

1:19:36 ↗ it's kind of the matter before us which

1:19:38 ↗ is a little bit more narrow but I don't

1:19:39 ↗ want to I want to acknowledge that and I

1:19:41 ↗ want to just I'm I'm hoping we can I've

1:19:43 ↗ got a couple of comments um in answer to

1:19:45 ↗ your question and maybe we'll have a

1:19:47 ↗ little bit of time to to go into that

1:19:49 ↗ and talk about how we want to address

1:19:50 ↗ these opinions in the context of the

1:19:53 ↗ work that we do here um 723 okay so um I

1:19:58 ↗ wanted to go back to the slide with the

1:20:00 ↗ blocks um and I wanted sorry go back one

1:20:03 ↗ more this one so um there's a logic to

1:20:08 ↗ this that really resonates with me which

1:20:10 ↗ is to hear comments from certain

1:20:12 ↗ communities and kind of filter them

1:20:14 ↗ through the different boards and and so

1:20:16 ↗ I really like that fundamental argument

1:20:20 ↗ um I got a little confused though about

1:20:22 ↗ specifically what you're saying because

1:20:24 ↗ then I looked at it again um and

1:20:26 ↗ realized that the gray box is focus

1:20:28 ↗ groups so what I'm really trying to

1:20:30 ↗ figure out is are you saying that those

1:20:33 ↗ groups would like read the report or

1:20:37 ↗ like wouldn't everyone be have access to

1:20:39 ↗ the report or like what is actually

1:20:40 ↗ happening in those lines and that can

1:20:43 ↗ help me understand kind of to your point

1:20:45 ↗ like why would we limit us to just you

1:20:48 ↗ know I mean transportation course goes

1:20:49 ↗ across all those different things and

1:20:51 ↗ that kind of made me wonder like like

1:20:52 ↗ well what exactly does this mean these

1:20:55 ↗ little lines here uh exactly in relation

1:20:58 ↗ to the focus groups what are you saying

1:21:00 ↗ here slide so I think that the vision

1:21:04 ↗ would be

1:21:05 ↗ um business and development may receive

1:21:09 ↗ different questions than uh for instance

1:21:12 ↗ like a youth well that part I understand

1:21:15 ↗ so the the different focus groups but

1:21:17 ↗ what would the Comm what would the um

1:21:20 ↗ boards and commissions interface be with

1:21:23 ↗ the focus groups and why is it drawn

1:21:25 ↗ like this would be sort of uh receiving

1:21:27 ↗ summary information from what the focus

1:21:30 ↗ groups talked about um so we go in depth

1:21:36 ↗ you go you would go more in depth with

1:21:38 ↗ um grappling with the questions that

1:21:40 ↗ those groups uh talked about um to also

1:21:44 ↗ weigh in on those same questions so I do

1:21:46 ↗ think that they should the other groups

1:21:49 ↗ should focus on their areas of expertise

1:21:51 ↗ but I think as t maybe what you're

1:21:53 ↗ hearing at least from two of us and I

1:21:55 ↗ heard a nod over there like maybe

1:21:57 ↗ because Transportation goes across all

1:22:00 ↗ this like we'd kind of want to I'd want

1:22:01 ↗ to hear all of it like I'd want to hear

1:22:03 ↗ what everybody says because obviously

1:22:04 ↗ development and um yeah you know people

1:22:09 ↗ using this the transit system might be

1:22:13 ↗ people that human services are cons you

1:22:14 ↗ know just I think it maybe makes sense

1:22:16 ↗ so I just wouldn't want to not have the

1:22:19 ↗ opportunity I mean you'll probably send

1:22:20 ↗ a report that we could read but the

1:22:22 ↗ other thing is I just this isn't a

1:22:23 ↗ little bit more

1:22:25 ↗ tactical um but I'm really curious

1:22:28 ↗ whether the city typically does focus

1:22:30 ↗ groups that the city's doing City staff

1:22:32 ↗ are doing the recruiting and the

1:22:34 ↗ facilitation I in a former career I did

1:22:37 ↗ many many many many many many I've

1:22:40 ↗ participated in a lot of focus groups

1:22:41 ↗ like all the time and we never ever

1:22:44 ↗ facilitated them ourselves and we always

1:22:46 ↗ had they were always recruited and

1:22:47 ↗ professionally facilitated and I felt

1:22:50 ↗ like it really protected the integrity

1:22:53 ↗ of the information that we got and I was

1:22:56 ↗ just sort of curious whether this is

1:22:58 ↗ common for the city to do facilitate the

1:23:01 ↗ focus groups um and if not probably not

1:23:06 ↗ a great time to start and do we have an

1:23:08 ↗ interest in professional facilitation

1:23:10 ↗ because I just think that's a skill into

1:23:12 ↗ itself and the city staff is not

1:23:14 ↗ typically to my knowledge you know

1:23:16 ↗ skilled focus group facilitation I know

1:23:19 ↗ watch enough focus groups to know how

1:23:21 ↗ easily they're steered with it's

1:23:23 ↗ qualitative information and it's an art

1:23:27 ↗ you know and a science to to facilitate

1:23:29 ↗ those and I just want to make sure that

1:23:30 ↗ we're getting the best information and I

1:23:34 ↗ think a lot of times myself I certainly

1:23:38 ↗ was guilty of this in stabbing

1:23:39 ↗ everything you to get really close to

1:23:41 ↗ your subject matter and it's really hard

1:23:43 ↗ to facilitate an objective focus group

1:23:45 ↗ so um I'm not in a position to say how

1:23:48 ↗ they should be facilitated but I just

1:23:49 ↗ want to throw that out there that if I

1:23:51 ↗ if the city is wondering if it's worth

1:23:53 ↗ it and it I don't I mean it's expensive

1:23:56 ↗ it's not that expensive I would

1:23:57 ↗ encourage um a look and unless you guys

1:24:01 ↗ do it all the time and you feel super

1:24:02 ↗ confident in the quality of the data you

1:24:04 ↗ know then I certainly don't have any

1:24:06 ↗ recent or is AAR related data but I just

1:24:08 ↗ want to push on that a little bit um is

1:24:11 ↗ that something that the city usually

1:24:12 ↗ does and has it been quite successful we

1:24:14 ↗ we have done in the past on several

1:24:16 ↗ projects yeah like dozens and dozens and

1:24:19 ↗ dozens or I've not been here that long

1:24:21 ↗ to be honest I can speak maybe with more

1:24:25 ↗ years of experience with the city than

1:24:27 ↗ two of you that we've done this we've

1:24:30 ↗ done okay um and it's dependent on

1:24:33 ↗ Project it's dependent on the project

1:24:35 ↗ budget it's dependent on the number of

1:24:38 ↗ focus group bunch of actors right and

1:24:42 ↗ some staff way back when SP some time I

1:24:46 ↗ think uh receive some

1:24:48 ↗ training um and uh so make that call

1:24:53 ↗ Project by project well it's not my goal

1:24:55 ↗ to micromanage but it is my goal to say

1:24:59 ↗ that I want to make sure we don't cheap

1:25:01 ↗ out and get crappy

1:25:03 ↗ data so um I'll have more faith in the

1:25:06 ↗ data I feel like if it's a little bit

1:25:08 ↗ more objective and this is a pretty

1:25:09 ↗ important project um so uh I just wanted

1:25:12 ↗ to kind of push on that just a little

1:25:14 ↗ bit on F groups um and then I too had

1:25:18 ↗ the questions about like what sort of

1:25:20 ↗ information you kind of asked answered

1:25:21 ↗ it but

1:25:23 ↗ um I I will I will hope that we get to

1:25:26 ↗ participate in some of the design of

1:25:29 ↗ these um of the of the questions that

1:25:32 ↗ will be asked it across the different me

1:25:34 ↗ methods um and then I also just want to

1:25:36 ↗ say that I want to make sure that tab

1:25:40 ↗ gets a chance to be a

1:25:44 ↗ respondent and say what our vision is as

1:25:48 ↗ individual members like sometimes we you

1:25:50 ↗ know we get a lot of reports and we get

1:25:52 ↗ a lot if we get to you know have our

1:25:53 ↗ finger on the pulse of the whole process

1:25:55 ↗ but I want to make sure that we have at

1:25:57 ↗ some kind sometime during that

1:26:00 ↗ process we're not just being told what

1:26:02 ↗ other people are saying or what other

1:26:03 ↗ service and of course we can fill out

1:26:05 ↗ the survey whatever but I think that it

1:26:07 ↗ would be great if we had an opportunity

1:26:10 ↗ for us as individual tab members to give

1:26:13 ↗ our vision in a really robust way so I

1:26:16 ↗ hope that we can carve out some time for

1:26:18 ↗ us to do

1:26:19 ↗ that um

1:26:23 ↗ yeah of course we're allowed to just go

1:26:25 ↗ to the to the survey and fill them out

1:26:28 ↗ but I feel like this is just be a really

1:26:30 ↗ good exercise I think especially in a

1:26:32 ↗ tab meeting um we don't normally we

1:26:36 ↗ don't produce anything you know we don't

1:26:39 ↗ we don't share our like organic ideas

1:26:42 ↗ typically we respond to things that

1:26:44 ↗ we're asked to respond to um anyway um

1:26:48 ↗ and then I just um did you have any

1:26:51 ↗ questions about that because I want to

1:26:52 ↗ Circle back to this other larger

1:26:55 ↗ question did you have anything else you

1:26:56 ↗ want to add I mean I was just asking

1:26:59 ↗ would it be a problem on this timeline

1:27:01 ↗ because I mean if we're asking to be

1:27:03 ↗ like really closely involved BBC might

1:27:07 ↗ ask and the other groups might ask would

1:27:10 ↗ that lengthen any timeline I think we're

1:27:12 ↗ good on timeline uh ultimately we want

1:27:16 ↗ to do this the right way so um we are

1:27:18 ↗ ahead of the curve

1:27:20 ↗ um I think we're in comfortable timeline

1:27:23 ↗ uh so we can certainly adjust it as

1:27:26 ↗ needed um but yeah ultimately first and

1:27:29 ↗ foremost we want to do this right

1:27:32 ↗ so um so we have go ahead oh

1:27:37 ↗ sorry so I've set

1:27:41 ↗ quietly

1:27:43 ↗ um you guys can take a little criticism

1:27:45 ↗ your run I think that's a good start

1:27:49 ↗ what bothers me is that Sil because PPC

1:27:54 ↗ Tab and EB we should be able to see

1:27:58 ↗ what's going into that per another

1:28:02 ↗ perfect example the tab I'm a senior I

1:28:05 ↗ want to know exactly what the seniors

1:28:07 ↗ are thinking from the senior center who

1:28:10 ↗ are huge users of Transit right now and

1:28:14 ↗ will be huge users of like

1:28:18 ↗ BR so I I would like to know that I'm

1:28:21 ↗ sure Mobility would like to know that so

1:28:25 ↗ I just don't want to see it silent I

1:28:28 ↗ pick up on Cynthia's comment which is we

1:28:31 ↗ just don't want to get crappy data um

1:28:35 ↗ and then make decisions on on that to me

1:28:38 ↗ that's silent let's go back a a slide

1:28:42 ↗ because I'm I'm really into this you

1:28:44 ↗ push my buttons down go back a slide

1:28:46 ↗ okay no I want to go all the way back to

1:28:49 ↗ the map oh okay

1:28:52 ↗ there you go so if you see where it's

1:28:55 ↗ coming from just to give you a little

1:28:57 ↗ driver experience I drove the 214 for

1:29:01 ↗ years 214 left isqua and went directly

1:29:07 ↗ to downtown Seattle does that line go

1:29:09 ↗ directly to downtown Seattle okay why

1:29:13 ↗ did the 214 which was only a Tripper

1:29:16 ↗ mornings and afternoons haul more people

1:29:20 ↗ than the 554 ever

1:29:22 ↗ I would be full right to the yellow line

1:29:26 ↗ every day because they went directly

1:29:29 ↗ from downtown ISAC to downtown didn't

1:29:33 ↗ stop at Eastgate didn't stop at Mercer

1:29:36 ↗ people loved it they gave them that

1:29:38 ↗ service seniors weren't worried about

1:29:41 ↗ that because they they do their

1:29:44 ↗ traveling between 10 and three

1:29:47 ↗ okay but the workers really love that

1:29:51 ↗ that doesn't go to downtown Seattle it's

1:29:54 ↗ going to go to South uh I right now I

1:29:57 ↗ think they'll probably have a stop at

1:30:00 ↗ South BW Park and right which then they

1:30:04 ↗ transfer the other thing that line

1:30:06 ↗ doesn't give is direct service which

1:30:09 ↗ means you got to

1:30:10 ↗ transfer and any time you have to

1:30:13 ↗ transfer you're going to chance on that

1:30:16 ↗ other train isn't coming right now now

1:30:19 ↗ you're going to have to spend time with

1:30:21 ↗ South bellw park riding instead of being

1:30:23 ↗ on your way to Sea so that would be a

1:30:27 ↗ comment that I could make right off the

1:30:28 ↗ board and justif if I was a focus group

1:30:32 ↗ that'd be the first thing I talk to the

1:30:35 ↗ people about is they're not getting

1:30:37 ↗ direct

1:30:38 ↗ access U and what did sound what did

1:30:43 ↗ Metro Transit

1:30:45 ↗ eliminate this fall to keep the people

1:30:50 ↗ from going to down they because they

1:30:52 ↗ didn't have the drivers they eliminated

1:30:54 ↗ the

1:30:54 ↗ 214 the one that provides the fastest

1:30:57 ↗ and best service they eliminated that

1:31:00 ↗ and they kept the

1:31:02 ↗ 554 because of the different funding it

1:31:05 ↗ was a metrof funding thing instead of a

1:31:08 ↗ s Transit

1:31:10 ↗ sorry but so definitely want that

1:31:15 ↗ information in a focus group to all

1:31:18 ↗ those gray boxes that you saw because

1:31:21 ↗ it's gonna have an impact on three of

1:31:23 ↗ those gray boxes for sure okay um now

1:31:28 ↗ you can go back to your gray boxes I

1:31:30 ↗ made my point on

1:31:32 ↗ that there you

1:31:35 ↗ go wouldn't all those other focus groups

1:31:39 ↗ like to have that information that came

1:31:42 ↗ out just as I explained it one small

1:31:45 ↗ thing have an impact on every one of

1:31:48 ↗ those focus groups and should

1:31:52 ↗ can't do it if you stay silent so you

1:31:57 ↗ got you got to think about that before

1:32:00 ↗ we go further not not saying this is not

1:32:03 ↗ a good thing this is a great thing

1:32:05 ↗ because we're headed in the right

1:32:07 ↗ direction but I agree with Micah's

1:32:10 ↗ comment cost huge cost okay

1:32:15 ↗ and I got to get do something

1:32:18 ↗ funny I took a mentor with Dave trip

1:32:21 ↗ last week

1:32:22 ↗ and as we were coming back from bashard

1:32:25 ↗ Island on the

1:32:28 ↗ 554 it broke down and I went over to the

1:32:31 ↗ right side and everybody was talking

1:32:33 ↗ about Sound Transit and st3 hey it's

1:32:37 ↗ going to be great when this happens I

1:32:40 ↗ said excuse me in

1:32:42 ↗ 2040 I will be over 100 years old you

1:32:46 ↗ really think that's going to make a

1:32:48 ↗ difference to me and anybody who's

1:32:50 ↗ presently at the Senior

1:32:52 ↗ Center the point I make is we got to

1:32:56 ↗ think about not present but future and

1:33:01 ↗ and the future right this Valley this

1:33:04 ↗ Valley

1:33:07 ↗ is full to capacity and we are we are on

1:33:12 ↗ capacity if you just drove in the this

1:33:16 ↗ morning you would see the capacity that

1:33:19 ↗ this family's in we got to think

1:33:22 ↗ beyond that box and how we're going to

1:33:26 ↗ do it I've thrown a lot of things in

1:33:28 ↗ there but I see it from a different

1:33:30 ↗ perspective than you guys I see it from

1:33:33 ↗ a perspective of what we've been taking

1:33:36 ↗ to Seattle and taking home from Seattle

1:33:39 ↗ for years and how we've been doing it

1:33:42 ↗ and we've got to look at it in a

1:33:44 ↗ different L I'm not sure st3 is doing

1:33:48 ↗ that yet but you can I am not convinced

1:33:51 ↗ and especially with the price type it's

1:33:54 ↗ on so for copies of this sermon you can

1:33:58 ↗ write to S $2 and so G thanks but that

1:34:03 ↗ that's some beginning

1:34:06 ↗ comments but but we we the tab have to

1:34:09 ↗ know we we we've got to be part of that

1:34:12 ↗ whole thing not just a separate

1:34:16 ↗ child if I can just put my input in I

1:34:21 ↗ would prefer a different alignment for

1:34:25 ↗ line

1:34:26 ↗ four but I don't think this is

1:34:30 ↗ necessarily Ving to talk about that that

1:34:32 ↗ was already decided it won't be

1:34:34 ↗ significantly amended and so it just

1:34:38 ↗ won't we approved it um I mean millions

1:34:43 ↗ of Voters approved it I don't think you

1:34:45 ↗ know I don't know how many people are

1:34:47 ↗ going to be involved in this process you

1:34:48 ↗ know maybe 50 to 60 really involved

1:34:51 ↗ folks FKS and these focus groups they're

1:34:53 ↗ not going to be able to change $2.5

1:34:56 ↗ billion projects by any substantial

1:34:59 ↗ means so let's just focus on we have to

1:35:01 ↗ keep the focus on I I do want to kind of

1:35:04 ↗ address that and I know we're gonna run

1:35:05 ↗ a time soon but you had a comment real

1:35:07 ↗ quick I was gonna make a suggestion kind

1:35:09 ↗ of I was I didn't quite understand what

1:35:12 ↗ Dave was saying about the valley floor

1:35:15 ↗ is full capacity so I Transportation

1:35:18 ↗ works so you mean the cars on

1:35:23 ↗ where we sit right now compared to where

1:35:25 ↗ we sat

1:35:28 ↗ uh even when I came home from the Army

1:35:30 ↗ 20 years ago is doubled it's doubled

1:35:35 ↗ almost two and a half times what used to

1:35:38 ↗ use this Corridor into Seattle it's

1:35:42 ↗ double are you talking about then the I9

1:35:46 ↗ Corridor you're talking about the isqua

1:35:49 ↗ valley using the 90 Corridor to go to

1:35:52 ↗ Seattle it's doubled in just 20 years

1:35:57 ↗ it's doubled what is it going to be in

1:36:00 ↗ another 20 years if it's doubled in 20

1:36:03 ↗ years what's it going to be like in

1:36:05 ↗ another 20 years cuz line four is not

1:36:09 ↗ going to get here till the 40s I'm not

1:36:12 ↗ going to worry I won't I sat on that

1:36:15 ↗ broken down bus it said it's nice to

1:36:18 ↗ talk about but I'll never see it

1:36:21 ↗ but that doesn't mean we don't talk

1:36:23 ↗ about it here and look out to the Future

1:36:28 ↗ so um what I was just going to say is

1:36:31 ↗ that this is um it's an interesting

1:36:34 ↗ conversation um to talk about whether we

1:36:36 ↗ believe in Flight rail um and whether we

1:36:40 ↗ believe in it at that cost and you know

1:36:43 ↗ you're you have a position you have a

1:36:45 ↗ position you know I don't know but I

1:36:46 ↗ think that one of the problems and you

1:36:48 ↗ have a position but so want I have I

1:36:52 ↗ want to identify a couple problems and I

1:36:53 ↗ want to make a suggestion that brings us

1:36:54 ↗ back to the participation plan and that

1:36:56 ↗ is that um this is because we're not

1:36:59 ↗ debating this um I'm not going to ask

1:37:02 ↗ you five questions about some of the

1:37:04 ↗ things that you brought up and so I'm

1:37:06 ↗ just going to let it be but that doesn't

1:37:07 ↗ mean I necessarily agree with or you

1:37:10 ↗ know like I I mean I think it'd be a

1:37:11 ↗ really robust really interesting um

1:37:14 ↗ deliberation for us to talk about all

1:37:15 ↗ that I think um I think we have to

1:37:19 ↗ figure out what is our job and what are

1:37:21 ↗ we being asked to do we're an Advisory

1:37:23 ↗ Board that's supposed to advise the

1:37:24 ↗ administration and and Counsel on

1:37:26 ↗ matters that they want advice on and no

1:37:29 ↗ one has asked me whether I mean except

1:37:32 ↗ when I voted and so I want to be careful

1:37:36 ↗ about how we use our time to bring up I

1:37:39 ↗ want to make sure we turn it back to the

1:37:41 ↗ point but I also think it's a really

1:37:43 ↗ important thing is we're not alone and I

1:37:45 ↗ think that in the design of the

1:37:47 ↗ materials we're going to have to expect

1:37:50 ↗ this discussion and we're going to need

1:37:53 ↗ to just let me just finish real quick

1:37:54 ↗ and we'll get back to you we're going to

1:37:55 ↗ need to figure out how we're going to

1:37:56 ↗ deal with it because you know I can keep

1:37:59 ↗ trying to bring us back um to the matter

1:38:01 ↗ at hand but when we go and talk to all

1:38:03 ↗ these people they're not going to be so

1:38:05 ↗ easily brought back to say you know

1:38:07 ↗ they're going to want to talk about

1:38:08 ↗ whether it's a good idea whether they're

1:38:09 ↗ not better ideas about how to ween you

1:38:11 ↗ know some new Innovative Technologies

1:38:13 ↗ whether it's too expensive whether it's

1:38:14 ↗ unsafe whether the alignment should be

1:38:16 ↗ different that's not really going to

1:38:19 ↗ help is AOSS form the question question

1:38:21 ↗ that we're trying get answers to the

1:38:23 ↗ question we're saying you and I are or I

1:38:26 ↗ should say you and I but like you were

1:38:27 ↗ Tas us to figure out it's coming what's

1:38:28 ↗ going to look like and that's where our

1:38:30 ↗ energies are best spent but what are we

1:38:32 ↗ going to do in the public participation

1:38:34 ↗ exercise

1:38:36 ↗ to place that in the place that it

1:38:38 ↗ belongs one thing that I noticed about

1:38:41 ↗ conflicts like that is they prevent the

1:38:43 ↗ respondent from actually getting to the

1:38:45 ↗ pl to the they can't move on because

1:38:48 ↗ there's a premise that they're not

1:38:49 ↗ buying into and if the premise they're

1:38:51 ↗ not buying into the premise they're not

1:38:52 ↗ going to give great feedback about well

1:38:54 ↗ we know you don't want this but if it

1:38:55 ↗ were to happen what would you think of

1:38:57 ↗ it and so I just think we need to plan

1:38:59 ↗ for that um because otherwise we're

1:39:01 ↗ never going to get people enough people

1:39:04 ↗ to accept the premise and give us

1:39:06 ↗ valuable information about what it's

1:39:07 ↗ going to look like um so I just think we

1:39:10 ↗ need every single response here is going

1:39:13 ↗ to be probably the thing you're going to

1:39:14 ↗ hear from every other respondent and so

1:39:16 ↗ we we need a plan um and even you know

1:39:19 ↗ we can keep trying to keep the meetings

1:39:20 ↗ on task but that doesn't um alleviate

1:39:25 ↗ the natural urge to ask those questions

1:39:27 ↗ when you talk about it and no one's

1:39:29 ↗ going to say like oh you're only asking

1:39:30 ↗ me about this little box here you know

1:39:32 ↗ um anyway go ahead M what were you gonna

1:39:33 ↗ say about that yeah so my point in

1:39:35 ↗ bringing up what I did was wasn't to say

1:39:37 ↗ that I think we can change you're right

1:39:40 ↗ julan this is our Simpsons monreal

1:39:42 ↗ episode it's too late it's done it's

1:39:44 ↗ paid for it's voted on but one one of

1:39:49 ↗ the reason that reasons that

1:39:51 ↗ organizational changes fail is because

1:39:54 ↗ you do tunnel vision and you say okay

1:39:57 ↗ you know money spent decisions made

1:39:59 ↗ let's go let's go do it if you don't

1:40:01 ↗ think about why those decisions were

1:40:03 ↗ made you don't you don't consider that

1:40:05 ↗ as part of your your process you're more

1:40:08 ↗ likely to fail so yeah I do think we

1:40:11 ↗ need to recognize the cost because this

1:40:13 ↗ is not some like oh it's a new bus route

1:40:15 ↗ that's coming this is a complete change

1:40:18 ↗ in how Transportation works here and if

1:40:20 ↗ we're not talking about it that way

1:40:22 ↗ we're not going to be thinking about the

1:40:24 ↗ level of change that has to happen in

1:40:26 ↗ isqua for it to make sense right so so

1:40:29 ↗ that's why it's important to still think

1:40:30 ↗ about that and I think the safety side

1:40:32 ↗ of it um yeah we don't have the ability

1:40:35 ↗ to tell sound sound transit how to

1:40:37 ↗ handle what they're doing but you if

1:40:40 ↗ we're expecting maybe thousands more

1:40:42 ↗ people coming through one station one

1:40:45 ↗ small spot in isqua you know maybe we

1:40:48 ↗ want and this is throwing out Solutions

1:40:49 ↗ or it's not the point but but maybe you

1:40:51 ↗ want a little uh remote police station

1:40:55 ↗ near that area right so like Public

1:40:57 ↗ Safety is still part of the decision

1:41:00 ↗ process still part of mapping what that

1:41:03 ↗ that looks out to be and I'm not I'm not

1:41:05 ↗ opposed to it um that's also not my

1:41:07 ↗ point I don't want that to be the

1:41:09 ↗ takeaway it's more that this is not

1:41:11 ↗ something to be I don't I don't I'm

1:41:14 ↗ saying everyone's taking it lightly but

1:41:16 ↗ this is a like we need to talk about it

1:41:18 ↗ as this is a complete departure from how

1:41:21 ↗ Transportation works today this is

1:41:24 ↗ radically different and when we're when

1:41:27 ↗ we're approaching this we need to

1:41:29 ↗ recognize this is not a bus stop right

1:41:31 ↗ this is a single point where thousands

1:41:35 ↗ and thousands of people are going to

1:41:36 ↗ come through every day and that's going

1:41:39 ↗ to change you know our people's shopping

1:41:42 ↗ patterns right and you know what does

1:41:44 ↗ that look like right so so just I I do

1:41:47 ↗ think we do as you said we're going to

1:41:50 ↗ bring this people are going to think

1:41:51 ↗ about this we need to consider these

1:41:54 ↗ ancillary aspects because they do come

1:41:56 ↗ into play when it comes to a complete in

1:42:00 ↗ some ways even a cultural shift in isqua

1:42:03 ↗ in that spot to make this make

1:42:06 ↗ sense so everything you just said makes

1:42:08 ↗ a ton of sense and I really appreciate

1:42:10 ↗ it I think it's really great conts but

1:42:12 ↗ that's not what I took away from your

1:42:13 ↗ earlier pitch and what I took away from

1:42:15 ↗ your earlier pitch was I'm having

1:42:18 ↗ trouble with this whole concept and and

1:42:21 ↗ I didn't want to debate you because the

1:42:23 ↗ decisions already made and I could ask

1:42:26 ↗ questions like well you know what's the

1:42:27 ↗ alternative and what you there's like a

1:42:29 ↗ million questions and so I think if we

1:42:31 ↗ can keep the focus on the second topic

1:42:34 ↗ that you brought it' be really helpful

1:42:36 ↗ because I think

1:42:39 ↗ um we will not have valuable debate and

1:42:43 ↗ deliberation about things that are not

1:42:45 ↗ matters before

1:42:47 ↗ us I just I I can't picture go having

1:42:51 ↗ these focus groups and stuff like that

1:42:53 ↗ not being brought up I agree exctly my

1:42:56 ↗ point in starting that way because

1:42:59 ↗ someone's gonna say it yes no every city

1:43:02 ↗ that has been that is going to be

1:43:05 ↗ getting bieed Redmond

1:43:08 ↗ Shoreline all the other cities all the

1:43:11 ↗ other cities like it's always there's

1:43:13 ↗ always some council member or

1:43:15 ↗ some relevant community members is

1:43:18 ↗ always saying like oh let's put on a

1:43:20 ↗ police station so it's it's always it's

1:43:23 ↗ always a thing yeah I agree with

1:43:27 ↗ that I I don't agree about the police

1:43:30 ↗ station but yeah I I agree that people

1:43:32 ↗ are going to bring it

1:43:34 ↗ up yeah but I do think people will bring

1:43:37 ↗ we have to have a way to get past it and

1:43:39 ↗ that has that has to be done well go

1:43:41 ↗ ahead

1:43:43 ↗ da did you get what you needed for

1:43:47 ↗ tonight and then some and then

1:43:52 ↗ uh yes some was big yes I did uh so just

1:43:56 ↗ to

1:43:57 ↗ recap um does proposed approach meet the

1:44:01 ↗ participation goals I guess I did

1:44:03 ↗ not get that so these are the goals that

1:44:07 ↗ we

1:44:08 ↗ outlin uh so participation goals I'll

1:44:10 ↗ just read it here because it's kind of

1:44:11 ↗ small text um to engage with diverse

1:44:15 ↗ groups representing current and

1:44:16 ↗ potential Transit Riders and the

1:44:18 ↗ community at large these were the six

1:44:20 ↗ groups I also heard uh interest in

1:44:23 ↗ uh Transit users literally I think

1:44:26 ↗ Transit users might be their own need be

1:44:28 ↗ their own okay cool uh Transit users and

1:44:31 ↗ then we also talked about Public Safety

1:44:33 ↗ lens as being other right

1:44:38 ↗ um does it provide accurate information

1:44:41 ↗ that yeah so that's another point we're

1:44:42 ↗ trying to do providing accurate

1:44:44 ↗ information to the community and then

1:44:45 ↗ providing a variety of public

1:44:47 ↗ participation

1:44:49 ↗ opportunities you're also uh in terms of

1:44:52 ↗ the group so you're talking with Cascade

1:44:56 ↗ and the other SE there's a long list

1:45:00 ↗ yeah there's there's a fairly long list

1:45:02 ↗ um I can tell you that with the uh

1:45:04 ↗ Transit study uh reached out to all the

1:45:08 ↗ groups on the list uh only a handful

1:45:11 ↗ actually had capacity so we're we're

1:45:13 ↗ trying to cast a really broad net and

1:45:15 ↗ we're hoping to get eight to 10 for each

1:45:17 ↗ of those um those uh

1:45:21 ↗ is it focus groups um but beyond that if

1:45:23 ↗ they're not able to be on the focus

1:45:25 ↗ group still hoping to do uh just as much

1:45:29 ↗ Outreach as possible um I know that

1:45:31 ↗ people have varying uh things that

1:45:33 ↗ they're focused on so um we're just

1:45:36 ↗ going to try to go super Broad and see

1:45:39 ↗ who's able to participate in whatever

1:45:41 ↗ capacity that they

1:45:45 ↗ have do you want a specific answer I

1:45:48 ↗ mean um

1:45:52 ↗ yes but sure I'll say sure the answer to

1:45:55 ↗ the question is have you met the goals I

1:45:56 ↗ would say sure anybody

1:45:59 ↗ disagree okay uh then the second

1:46:03 ↗ question was related to are there

1:46:05 ↗ additional Community interests so which

1:46:07 ↗ we did mention that's sort of related to

1:46:09 ↗ the first one okay and I think maybe the

1:46:12 ↗ one thing I didn't hear you repeat was

1:46:14 ↗ Da point about a lot of cross talk and I

1:46:17 ↗ I don't have any answer to that but yeah

1:46:20 ↗ so a Readjustment of the structure of

1:46:22 ↗ sort of this uh your proposal would be

1:46:26 ↗ for essentially tap to be where commit

1:46:28 ↗ of the whole is and the whole

1:46:30 ↗ [Laughter]

1:46:32 ↗ being as a solution just I think the

1:46:35 ↗ feedback that I heard very clearly was

1:46:38 ↗ cross talk somehow okay no maybe like

1:46:41 ↗ just like a vertical line that goes

1:46:42 ↗ through PPC tab yeah he's just putting

1:46:46 ↗ us in in the in the blue yeah along with

1:46:49 ↗ the committee the whole well and then

1:46:51 ↗ the blue would be extended right so yeah

1:46:53 ↗ but what those other advisory boards

1:46:57 ↗ want the same that we were you know they

1:47:01 ↗ might not because they're more focused

1:47:03 ↗ on their their particular area but I

1:47:05 ↗ can't speak for them okay I mean PPC

1:47:09 ↗ would probably be pretty

1:47:12 ↗ interested say we wouldn't

1:47:15 ↗ be

1:47:17 ↗ um I think you took my you stole my

1:47:20 ↗ Thunder Dave did you get what you wanted

1:47:23 ↗ um because are we ready to wrap up on

1:47:25 ↗ this topic I always like to keep this on

1:47:26 ↗ time if possible um especially if you've

1:47:29 ↗ gotten what you need I me you got a lot

1:47:31 ↗ of like good discussion yeah this was

1:47:34 ↗ all very PR good

1:47:36 ↗ okay

1:47:38 ↗ um bring my phone back to life again

1:47:41 ↗ look at the

1:47:42 ↗ agenda don't have it on paper Okay so uh

1:47:46 ↗ are we ready to wrap up on that topic

1:47:48 ↗ are there any final comments

1:47:51 ↗ I'm not inviting any because it's

1:47:52 ↗ already 7:51 and we're right on schedule

1:47:55 ↗ um but if anyone has any else it didn't

1:47:57 ↗ get addressed uh okay so now we're on to

1:48:00 ↗ reports and um are you gonna talk about

1:48:02 ↗ the work

1:48:04 ↗ plan thank you Tomas I appreciate thank

1:48:11 ↗ you thank you Thomas and Emily for your

1:48:15 ↗ presentations

1:48:17 ↗ tonight uh looking forward

1:48:21 ↗ so uh three Monon B

1:48:23 ↗ ahead looks like this so Thomas will be

1:48:26 ↗ back uh next month twice in a row to to

1:48:31 ↗ talk about to talk about uh Transit plan

1:48:35 ↗ level service

1:48:36 ↗ metrics and uh we're also moving into

1:48:39 ↗ the comp plan update

1:48:41 ↗ phase and he will be coming back to talk

1:48:43 ↗ to us about the transportation

1:48:46 ↗ element uh and then it also sounds like

1:48:48 ↗ we're going to have a discussion about

1:48:51 ↗ the June minutes so I will make sure

1:48:54 ↗ that that is added as well uh November

1:48:58 ↗ I'm hoping we won't have a discussion

1:48:59 ↗ I'm hoping that we just get

1:49:02 ↗ it perfect I mean we could have a

1:49:05 ↗ discussion but whatever that look like

1:49:08 ↗ figure that out um November uh Thomas

1:49:12 ↗ will be back again we should give him a

1:49:13 ↗ name card

1:49:16 ↗ um back with more Transit plan uh

1:49:18 ↗ looking at Equity analysis

1:49:20 ↗ and then uh related to our guest

1:49:24 ↗ speaker uh being public comment earlier

1:49:27 ↗ uh I'm bringing the traffic cming

1:49:29 ↗ program rewrite uh to you all which is

1:49:32 ↗ very

1:49:34 ↗ exciting uh and then December we're

1:49:36 ↗ giving you off because we're not going

1:49:37 ↗ to ask you to come on December 27th

1:49:42 ↗ so when is the

1:49:47 ↗ no that's a good question

1:49:51 ↗ because isn't that round thanks the day

1:49:54 ↗ we'll probably have to push it to the

1:49:55 ↗ next week fifth week in

1:50:03 ↗ November probably the 29th unless so is

1:50:06 ↗ the 23rd Thanksgiving yeah that's

1:50:11 ↗ it's so that I think that'd be great and

1:50:14 ↗ sometimes Fifth Fifth Wednesdays or

1:50:16 ↗ fifth whatever the day is often not

1:50:19 ↗ already taken by a recurring meeting

1:50:21 ↗ because there's not always a f so maybe

1:50:23 ↗ we grab that right away yes um thank you

1:50:27 ↗ foring we move that to 21 that's what

1:50:30 ↗ we're proposing yeah and then if you

1:50:32 ↗ guys are in need

1:50:35 ↗ of um I know we went through this whole

1:50:39 ↗ thing and picked this slot and I don't

1:50:41 ↗ know um what everyone's schedule is but

1:50:44 ↗ if you can't go a whole lose another

1:50:46 ↗ month because whatever you've got on the

1:50:48 ↗ schedule we can certain certainly

1:50:50 ↗ consider doing a dole to do an earlier

1:50:52 ↗ December meeting that's true absolutely

1:50:55 ↗ but that's really I'll just leave that

1:50:56 ↗ up to you and your work like you're need

1:50:58 ↗ to get to have pack this point of

1:51:02 ↗ order remind me again its goes to uh

1:51:08 ↗ Committee

1:51:10 ↗ in October it's going to go to the full

1:51:13 ↗ Council a regular business meeting on

1:51:16 ↗ November

1:51:17 ↗ 6 no counc council meeting yeah where

1:51:22 ↗ they

1:51:23 ↗ will be able to vote and take action on

1:51:26 ↗ it so they go to a committee first and

1:51:29 ↗ then so we went to a committee a couple

1:51:31 ↗ weeks ago

1:51:32 ↗ yeah was confused a little bit okay so

1:51:35 ↗ it's going with Committee of the whole

1:51:38 ↗ um it'll it went to mobility and

1:51:41 ↗ infrastructure and the next stop with

1:51:43 ↗ Council the last stop is with the full

1:51:46 ↗ Council November 6 on November 6 yeah

1:51:50 ↗ thank you

1:51:52 ↗ absolutely okay any other questions

1:51:54 ↗ about

1:51:56 ↗ scheduling okay move on to the next

1:51:59 ↗ topic staff report staff

1:52:02 ↗ report uh couple quick things uh back

1:52:06 ↗ in what Mee was that July uh there was a

1:52:10 ↗ request brought up to do a social of

1:52:12 ↗ some kind I know it's been like two

1:52:14 ↗ months since then um I brought it up

1:52:18 ↗ with our our clerks and they basically

1:52:21 ↗ said that's not a very good idea just

1:52:23 ↗ because of you know having Quorum and

1:52:25 ↗ all that so uh unfortunately that's

1:52:28 ↗ going to be a no um so Talk Amongst

1:52:32 ↗ yourselves while we're here basically

1:52:34 ↗ um next uh item I mentioned that we'll

1:52:38 ↗ take the June minutes uh to next month

1:52:42 ↗ and then uh the third thing that I

1:52:44 ↗ wanted to bring up is uh since I've been

1:52:47 ↗ managing this for six months or so um I

1:52:50 ↗ would I'm going to plan on reaching out

1:52:52 ↗ to all of you individually just to kind

1:52:55 ↗ of have a chat about anything I can be

1:52:58 ↗ doing better how the meetings are run

1:53:01 ↗ Etc uh so I just wanted to let you all

1:53:02 ↗ know that you'll be getting that email

1:53:04 ↗ at some point soon so and that is it for

1:53:07 ↗ staff

1:53:09 ↗ report uh so I don't have a chair report

1:53:12 ↗ except to say that I will not be here

1:53:15 ↗ I'll be traveling in

1:53:17 ↗ October uh you will also okay

1:53:20 ↗ um you'll have to lead us through that

1:53:23 ↗ meeting

1:53:25 ↗ um and I thought that was one other

1:53:27 ↗ thing but I didn't write down so I don't

1:53:29 ↗ remember um oh I know what it was it's

1:53:31 ↗ uh so I actually it's actually a

1:53:35 ↗ question did I hear rumors that they

1:53:37 ↗ were going to open up youth um rather

1:53:41 ↗ than wait the whole cycle um were we

1:53:44 ↗ able to so to open up the youth report

1:53:48 ↗ uh yeah I was going to mention

1:53:51 ↗ the youth position uh there were two

1:53:53 ↗ different boards that requested at the

1:53:55 ↗ same time to bring youth uh back open

1:53:59 ↗ outside of the regular process so that

1:54:01 ↗ has been open and it already closed um

1:54:04 ↗ and I know that uh at least a couple of

1:54:07 ↗ youths have applied already this Bo to

1:54:09 ↗ this board specifically um so I am wait

1:54:13 ↗ I'm actually waiting on I think the

1:54:15 ↗ mayor's office to get back to me about

1:54:18 ↗ that information so we will moving

1:54:20 ↗ forward with that process and hopefully

1:54:21 ↗ by the new year we'll have a youth

1:54:23 ↗ representative

1:54:25 ↗ representative that's

1:54:26 ↗ terrific uh well and then we don't have

1:54:28 ↗ a youth report do we have any other

1:54:30 ↗ business or

1:54:33 ↗ announcements for me I just mention that

1:54:36 ↗ whole idea about um yes so next week is

1:54:42 ↗ the week where you're supposed to be

1:54:44 ↗ aware of people who don't have cars and

1:54:47 ↗ try to not use your car for

1:54:52 ↗ for some people it's easier if you're

1:54:54 ↗ walking dist to a store I

1:54:59 ↗ suppose it's kind of

1:55:01 ↗ a to try to be so if anybody wants that

1:55:05 ↗ information I think I can I guess I

1:55:08 ↗ don't really have your email but I I are

1:55:11 ↗ we permitted to send it out to probably

1:55:16 ↗ we can send out a little link to the C

1:55:19 ↗ yes yes send it to him and then he can

1:55:21 ↗ send it to us great be interested in

1:55:24 ↗ that that's

1:55:26 ↗ great I think you probably do by just

1:55:29 ↗ writing can't isn't the Alias just the

1:55:31 ↗ tab Alias like people can write to that

1:55:34 ↗ Connie Marsh writes to us I think it's

1:55:36 ↗ just an email Alias that

1:55:39 ↗ within

1:55:43 ↗ grou I think it's kind of a cool thing

1:55:45 ↗ I'm not sure if I'll be able to I'm

1:55:48 ↗ suppos to in October 5th I haven't

1:55:51 ↗ figured out how to get there

1:55:53 ↗ yet tell you how to get there by transit

1:55:56 ↗ um how many hours though by 8:3 in the

1:55:59 ↗ morning with that I think overnighter

1:56:03 ↗ for

1:56:05 ↗ you I haven't figured

1:56:08 ↗ that anyway

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