Transportation Advisory Board · Wednesday, April 26, 2023 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of March 29, 2023

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APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 03-29-23 Transportation Advisory Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Transportation Advisory Board – Special Meeting 6:00 PM Tibbetts Manor March 29, 2023 MINUTES 750 17th Ave. NW, Issaquah

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Capital Improvement Program

Discussion · Andrea Synder, Deputy City Administrator · packet pp.7–39

Topics: Budget

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REGULAR BUSINESS a) TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD ANDREA SNYDER, DEPUTY CITY ADMINISTRATOR

5. REPORTS

Board Work Plan

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0:08 ↗ recording is starting great okay well um

0:12 ↗ I'd like to welcome everyone to the

0:13 ↗ regular monthly meeting of the

0:15 ↗ transportation Advisory Board my name is

0:16 ↗ Cynthia Cross and I'm currently serving

0:18 ↗ as the chair I'd like to welcome John

0:20 ↗ Larson friend as the new staff liaison

0:22 ↗ this is his first meeting in that role

0:24 ↗ officially but he's not new to us so

0:26 ↗ we're happy to have you in this role yay

0:29 ↗ um I also before we get started just

0:31 ↗ want to mention that this month marks

0:35 ↗ the end of the term for our colleague

0:37 ↗ Christy triple

0:38 ↗ um I want to acknowledge Christie's

0:40 ↗ excellent service to the town for these

0:42 ↗ past couple years

0:44 ↗ um you always bring valuable insight and

0:46 ↗ a lot of history to our discussions and

0:49 ↗ I personally have found them extremely

0:50 ↗ helpful so I really appreciate that

0:52 ↗ um I also really appreciate your slight

0:54 ↗ sense of humor and your patience and

0:56 ↗ kindness and I think you have a tone you

0:58 ↗ helped set a tone that's professional

1:00 ↗ and warm at the same time and you will

1:01 ↗ be missed and the staff brought in some

1:04 ↗ cookies just a little celebration so you

1:06 ↗ should all feel free to help yourself

1:08 ↗ employment as you enjoy the cookie

1:10 ↗ remember

1:12 ↗ how much we appreciate Christine and

1:13 ↗ much that we missed um but I just wanted

1:15 ↗ to get clear she served her germ and um

1:18 ↗ so it's not like she's failing all right

1:21 ↗ so I really appreciate

1:23 ↗ appreciate everybody else does too so

1:26 ↗ um well and I appreciate working with

1:28 ↗ everyone and getting to know that

1:31 ↗ was that a was that a six-year company

1:37 ↗ three but I think you started in on

1:40 ↗ someone like a term

1:43 ↗ you know that

1:45 ↗ covid time yeah

1:49 ↗ the concept of time is nothing yeah for

1:52 ↗ sure yeah

1:55 ↗ uh great okay well I think we're ready

1:58 ↗ to move on to minutes and I am seeking

2:02 ↗ approval of the regular March meeting

2:03 ↗ minutes by unanimous consent as

2:06 ↗ presented and

2:09 ↗ presented

2:17 ↗ or Andrea taught me that I think I don't

2:20 ↗ know or maybe it was Tisha um okay so uh

2:23 ↗ that brings us I believe to the public

2:24 ↗ comment do we have anybody who's here to

2:27 ↗ make a public comment

2:28 ↗ I do not see anyone here to make all the

2:31 ↗ comments tonight okay um

2:37 ↗ for now but

2:40 ↗ it doesn't agenda well I would encourage

2:43 ↗ us to pause and give them an opportunity

2:46 ↗ uh and that brings us to regular

2:48 ↗ business the capital Improvement program

2:50 ↗ so

2:52 ↗ um turn it over to either John or to

2:54 ↗ Andrea deputy director

2:57 ↗ then that's me thank you uh hi everyone

3:01 ↗ I'm Andrea Snyder Deputy City

3:04 ↗ administrator with me I have Robert Hood

3:06 ↗ who's our chief financial officer hi

3:09 ↗ speaker and uh we are here to talk about

3:12 ↗ the drafts VIP in particular the tip the

3:16 ↗ transportation Improvement

3:17 ↗ and really focusing on Transportation

3:21 ↗ projects today

3:23 ↗ conversation to follow up on

3:26 ↗ um the board Summit that we held back

3:28 ↗ held back February in a subsequent

3:30 ↗ conversations we've had on the tip and

3:33 ↗ cic

3:37 ↗ the agenda for tonight

3:39 ↗ is um we'll go over what kind of

3:42 ↗ direction we seek from this board a

3:45 ↗ little bit reminders and background on

3:48 ↗ the CIP and the cfp process we're going

3:51 ↗ to give an overview of the draft CIP and

3:55 ↗ um we'll also talk about some of the

3:58 ↗ Year term I'm sorry Russians

4:03 ↗ parks and Trail more like Transportation

4:06 ↗ plan Investments so please forgive that

4:09 ↗ typo and then

4:11 ↗ um discussion an opportunity to discuss

4:14 ↗ uh and then we'll talk about next steps

4:19 ↗ um so first I want to say as we dive

4:22 ↗ into this you probably noticed in your

4:23 ↗ packet you didn't actually get uh draft

4:27 ↗ see I usually right there was no nice

4:30 ↗ big report seven pages long pulling all

4:33 ↗ this information together instead you

4:35 ↗ got a bunch of different attachments

4:40 ↗ patients and shifted and sifting through

4:42 ↗ all of those attachments the reason why

4:45 ↗ you didn't get one cohesive report is

4:47 ↗ because we don't have one yet it's still

4:49 ↗ being drafted and Robert and his team

4:53 ↗ are working on that this week we're

4:55 ↗ actually transmit the CIP complete the

4:58 ↗ whole draft and transmit it next Monday

5:00 ↗ and so

5:02 ↗ um that's why we just have some of the

5:03 ↗ information so what were what was

5:05 ↗ included in your packet tonight and what

5:07 ↗ we're presenting on is not even caught

5:09 ↗ off the presses it hasn't even been to

5:11 ↗ the presses yet quite literally and so

5:14 ↗ thank you for your patience and shipping

5:15 ↗ sifting through all those different

5:17 ↗ documents

5:19 ↗ so tonight the feedback that we're

5:22 ↗ looking for from you is continuing that

5:24 ↗ criteria conversation that we started

5:26 ↗ way back in February looking at the

5:29 ↗ project selection criteria that you

5:32 ↗ helped provide feedback on and help form

5:34 ↗ how did we apply those

5:36 ↗ do you have feedback on how to apply

5:38 ↗ that we're given the projects that are

5:41 ↗ in the six year CIP were there any

5:43 ↗ surprises that you saw

5:45 ↗ um where did you think that we applied

5:47 ↗ some of those criteria correctly or

5:49 ↗ incorrectly do we miss something big

5:52 ↗ um and then if we were to use these

5:54 ↗ criteria again what changes should we

5:57 ↗ considered so those are some of the

5:59 ↗ questions that we have for you tonight

6:02 ↗ and before we get there just again

6:05 ↗ taking a couple steps back this is a

6:08 ↗ reminder the CIP is a planning document

6:10 ↗ it's not a budget right and so

6:14 ↗ um you will recall this figure that uh

6:16 ↗ was at the board Summit we've seen this

6:18 ↗ figure a couple of times at the top we

6:21 ↗ look at this 20-year picture and that

6:23 ↗ long-term vision is really for this

6:26 ↗ group things like the master Mobility

6:28 ↗ plan or other kind of Master

6:30 ↗ infrastructure plans so we look at

6:32 ↗ what's the vision where do we want to be

6:34 ↗ what are some of the policies that guide

6:36 ↗ our transportation Investments what are

6:39 ↗ some of the projects we want to work on

6:40 ↗ and then we use that plan to then decide

6:44 ↗ what goes into the six-year CIP so which

6:46 ↗ of those Transportation Mobility

6:47 ↗ projects that were discussed in the MMP

6:50 ↗ which of them have we actually been

6:51 ↗ Implement in the next six years and so

6:54 ↗ we have to go through a prioritization

6:56 ↗ process and really figure out what can

6:57 ↗ we do what can we afford and apply those

7:00 ↗ criteria so we are at this stage that

7:03 ↗ that middle box that green box that you

7:06 ↗ see the light green box that you see

7:08 ↗ that's really where we are today

7:11 ↗ and then

7:12 ↗ um then we use the CIP that planning

7:16 ↗ document to develop the budget we

7:19 ↗ already have a budget for 23 and 24.

7:23 ↗ um and so this will help uh form that

7:26 ↗ the CIP will help form uh the budget and

7:30 ↗ any changes to the budget we need to

7:31 ↗ make for next year for example

7:33 ↗ um but also subsequent years budgets and

7:37 ↗ then finally once it's budgeted then we

7:39 ↗ have a funded Capital project and so

7:41 ↗ this group has the ability to kind of AD

7:44 ↗ input to all of these different stages

7:47 ↗ of how a project becomes

7:50 ↗ um becomes reality so influence over the

7:53 ↗ MMP we're talking about the CIP right

7:56 ↗ now as we talk about the budget what's

7:58 ↗ in the budget reform the details of

8:00 ↗ those projects you'll often get

8:02 ↗ presentations about aspects of a project

8:04 ↗ to decide better refine the concept of

8:07 ↗ the specific project right so there's

8:08 ↗ all these different phases in a project

8:10 ↗ that that this group or other boards and

8:13 ↗ commissions are involved in we're really

8:14 ↗ just focused on this middle trapezoid

8:18 ↗ this light green area right now which is

8:20 ↗ this VIP

8:23 ↗ um so that means that we're going to be

8:24 ↗ talking higher up about these projects

8:26 ↗ we're not going to be talking for

8:27 ↗ example concepts of the projects within

8:30 ↗ the next six years we're not going to be

8:31 ↗ talking about you know uh is this

8:34 ↗ where's the bus stop going to go in this

8:36 ↗ project or that project that's not the

8:37 ↗ level of detail that we're here to

8:39 ↗ discuss today we do have future

8:40 ↗ opportunities to discuss that level of

8:42 ↗ detail

8:44 ↗ um so background changes since we did

8:47 ↗ the last VIP the city updates its tip is

8:51 ↗ transportation Improvement plan on an

8:53 ↗ annual basis those are usually small

8:55 ↗ minor updates we update the CIP every

8:59 ↗ two years

9:00 ↗ um and so since the last CIP was adopted

9:04 ↗ a couple of things have happened

9:06 ↗ we had the Capital Finance Community

9:08 ↗ task force your own chair uh press was

9:12 ↗ the chair of that task force and served

9:15 ↗ well on that task force that group came

9:18 ↗ out with essentially three

9:19 ↗ recommendations

9:21 ↗ um one was that they recommended the

9:23 ↗ city do more to invest in infrastructure

9:25 ↗ including the pursuit of new Revenue

9:28 ↗ tools

9:29 ↗ they also recommended that or they

9:32 ↗ stated that mobility and transportation

9:33 ↗ were the first priority when it came to

9:35 ↗ Capital Investments but that parks and

9:38 ↗ trails and Facilities were also very

9:40 ↗ important

9:42 ↗ um there were a few more uh

9:44 ↗ recommendations that made but those are

9:46 ↗ kind of the top that's the top overview

9:48 ↗ for those three

9:49 ↗ uh we also changed it since the last CIP

9:51 ↗ as you know I've been talking about

9:53 ↗ these new and improved criteria project

9:54 ↗ selection criteria to get into the City

9:56 ↗ and

9:58 ↗ um previously we had criteria but it was

10:00 ↗ more check the box yes or no does this

10:03 ↗ project address safety

10:05 ↗ um yes or no is this okay for the

10:08 ↗ environment or does it damage the

10:10 ↗ environment and then this year we've

10:12 ↗ added uh red yellow green thresholds and

10:16 ↗ Grading so we can not just say yes or no

10:18 ↗ but how good is this project to

10:21 ↗ environmental benefits how much does

10:23 ↗ this address lifescape Etc we've raised

10:26 ↗ the bar and those criteria and how our

10:27 ↗ projects must meet those criteria

10:30 ↗ so those are all the changes that we've

10:32 ↗ made since the last CMP which are

10:34 ↗ influencing the creation of this family

10:36 ↗ so we looked at the criteria we looked

10:39 ↗ at the recommendations of that Capital

10:41 ↗ Finance Community task force fill these

10:43 ↗ things together to help us draft the new

10:46 ↗ CIP

10:47 ↗ any questions so far

10:49 ↗ okay

10:51 ↗ great so uh you should recognize these

10:55 ↗ criteria they are in your packets with

10:57 ↗ more explanations for what defines when

11:00 ↗ a project is you know assigned green

11:03 ↗ what's that threshold and how we Define

11:05 ↗ that threshold

11:06 ↗ um what does it mean for a community

11:08 ↗ priority to be

11:10 ↗ um have a grading of yellow for example

11:12 ↗ so there's more explanation and

11:14 ↗ description in your packet hopefully you

11:16 ↗ had a chance to revisit that and refresh

11:18 ↗ your members before this evening but

11:20 ↗ again these are the new criteria that we

11:22 ↗ use to apply to the projects

11:25 ↗ um the last criteria is it will call

11:27 ↗ long-standing commitment that one is

11:32 ↗ Syria is um I'm going to go ahead and

11:35 ↗ say it the most the least defined

11:38 ↗ um you'll you may recall that that is a

11:41 ↗ criteria that our city council wanted us

11:42 ↗ to add in to this process and they still

11:46 ↗ um would like to help Define that

11:49 ↗ criteria further so we're going to begin

11:51 ↗ our conversations with City Council next

11:53 ↗ month where they will weigh in more on

11:56 ↗ exactly what this means they're going to

11:58 ↗ look at a list of projects and and tell

12:00 ↗ us which projects meet that criteria so

12:03 ↗ that's really left that to city council

12:06 ↗ um what we did internally as staff how

12:08 ↗ we applied these criteria we had uh the

12:12 ↗ project Managers from across the city

12:14 ↗ and parks and transportation facilities

12:17 ↗ Etc they submitted projects and those

12:20 ↗ project managers uh graded the projects

12:23 ↗ against these criteria so do they think

12:25 ↗ that it should have been agreed and

12:27 ↗ legal mandate or addressing life safety

12:29 ↗ concerns or is it a red for example so

12:32 ↗ the project managers went through uh

12:34 ↗ when they submitted their proposals they

12:36 ↗ went through this grading process

12:38 ↗ then

12:40 ↗ um Robert and finance staff took a look

12:43 ↗ across the city at those criteria and

12:46 ↗ their grades to ensure that we're

12:47 ↗ consistent consistently applying those

12:50 ↗ criteria that it's making sense that

12:52 ↗ it's more even across the city and

12:55 ↗ across different categories of

12:56 ↗ infrastructure so that's how we use

12:58 ↗ these criteria to help draft and how we

13:02 ↗ applied them that was our process and

13:04 ↗ helped draft the CIP that attack today

13:09 ↗ so overall uh in this VIP there's a

13:14 ↗ couple of trends that I wanted to make

13:15 ↗ sure you were aware of one is that

13:17 ↗ overall in general we have more funding

13:20 ↗ more focus on maintenance programs than

13:24 ↗ in the past

13:25 ↗ so we've heard and it's actually one of

13:27 ↗ our criteria repair or maintain existing

13:29 ↗ infrastructure and really took that to

13:31 ↗ heart so you'll be seeing that

13:33 ↗ um a lot in this VIP

13:36 ↗ also the draft CIP responds to feedback

13:40 ↗ that we heard from the task force from

13:43 ↗ our city council other community members

13:44 ↗ that we need to make more investments in

13:47 ↗ our infrastructure while also ensuring

13:49 ↗ that the plan is achievable so we want

13:51 ↗ it to be realistic but we also need to

13:54 ↗ do more and so how do we do how do we do

13:56 ↗ those things at the same time we do that

13:59 ↗ by trying to get more resources to do

14:01 ↗ more work

14:02 ↗ and so the CIP also anticipates new

14:06 ↗ revenues for transportation for public

14:09 ↗ safety especially related facilities and

14:12 ↗ parks and trails over the next six years

14:15 ↗ and we're going to talk more tonight

14:17 ↗ about the revenues for transportation in

14:19 ↗ a little bit

14:21 ↗ so Transportation specifically the tip

14:24 ↗ component of our CIP Capital group plan

14:28 ↗ um follows the same theme in that we are

14:32 ↗ emphasizing more on maintenance and

14:34 ↗ infrastructure replacement programs in

14:36 ↗ this tip than we have in the past

14:38 ↗ um specifically as I address a little

14:41 ↗ bit below you're going to see more on

14:43 ↗ equipment replacement RFB Replacements

14:48 ↗ um RFB is a rapid flashing begin I can't

14:51 ↗ remember the first hour right hand

14:53 ↗ rectangular rapid flashing food pens

14:57 ↗ none of those round ones

15:00 ↗ um that's not what they understand it's

15:01 ↗ a rectangular so

15:04 ↗ um we have a lot of these in this city

15:05 ↗ for professor

15:07 ↗ the best but we haven't had a

15:09 ↗ so we've just kind of been

15:11 ↗ doing it as they needed replacement we

15:13 ↗ have so many we now need to we need a

15:15 ↗ plan for this and so we have

15:17 ↗ um we have uh more of these

15:20 ↗ uh equipment Replacements in the tip

15:23 ↗ that we've had in the past especially

15:25 ↗ when it comes to attracted signals and

15:26 ↗ things like that

15:28 ↗ um so that's one area where you'll see

15:30 ↗ in the tip more emphasis on maintenance

15:32 ↗ and infrastructure replacement

15:34 ↗ uh we have 31 Transportation projects or

15:38 ↗ programs in the draft difference between

15:41 ↗ a project or a program programs are

15:43 ↗ ongoing so PMP is a great example of a

15:47 ↗ program so it's the pavement Management

15:49 ↗ program that's where we do Street

15:51 ↗ overlays

15:53 ↗ um and just general Street Maintenance

15:55 ↗ right maybe it's it's filling potholes

15:57 ↗ or craft seal or things like that so

15:59 ↗ that's that's a good example of a

16:01 ↗ program to put a more ongoing a project

16:05 ↗ would be something like a Northwest

16:07 ↗ snamish non-motorized or the pinpoint

16:09 ↗ right that's a discrete project it has

16:12 ↗ beginning and end once we're done with

16:13 ↗ that project we all kind of ribbon and

16:16 ↗ ride our bikes calculate down the street

16:17 ↗ and that's about it

16:19 ↗ um

16:20 ↗ so uh so that's the difference and

16:22 ↗ you'll see those in the tip we have more

16:25 ↗ programs more ongoing maintenance type

16:27 ↗ programs in the tip that we've had in

16:29 ↗ your scraps

16:31 ↗ um

16:32 ↗ we also uh as I said are anticipating uh

16:36 ↗ sales tax of 0.1 for transportation

16:40 ↗ projects and that is actually in the

16:43 ↗ assumptions of the tip

16:45 ↗ and so what's related to the

16:48 ↗ transportation benefit District

16:50 ↗ the task force and and chair Craftsman

16:52 ↗ recall this talked about uh a

16:56 ↗ transportation benefit district sales

16:57 ↗ tax after the task force uh made their

17:02 ↗ recommendations and concluded their work

17:03 ↗ the state would have explosion actually

17:05 ↗ enabled City councils to vote in a sales

17:09 ↗ tax so this sales tax that we're

17:11 ↗ suggesting and recommending is not

17:14 ↗ subject to public vote it's something

17:15 ↗ that the council themselves can enact

17:18 ↗ and that's a really new tool from the

17:19 ↗ state legislature that is just about a

17:22 ↗ year old

17:23 ↗ and so

17:25 ↗ um that's what we're recommending for

17:26 ↗ city council to consider and there are

17:29 ↗ Revenue options within the tip that

17:32 ↗ assume that city council will pass that

17:35 ↗ sales tax the city council does not

17:37 ↗ choose to pass that sales tax then we're

17:39 ↗ going to have to take a look at those

17:40 ↗ projects and which projects will be able

17:43 ↗ to fit the budget without those revenues

17:46 ↗ yes uh earlier you're talking about

17:49 ↗ exploring new Revenue options is this

17:51 ↗ the the option or was that referring to

17:54 ↗ other things other things in addition to

17:56 ↗ that

17:57 ↗ great question this is the option we're

17:59 ↗ recommending at this time for

18:01 ↗ transportation related projects

18:03 ↗ so also within the CIP within the next

18:06 ↗ six years we are wanting to talk to

18:08 ↗ council about other Revenue options for

18:10 ↗ other types of infrastructure

18:12 ↗ like uh Public Safety related facilities

18:16 ↗ we need to build a fire station in North

18:18 ↗ Issaquah for example

18:21 ↗ um and so so we are looking for revenues

18:25 ↗ for how to pay for those facilities and

18:27 ↗ we're going to have conversations with

18:28 ↗ city council actually open the next

18:30 ↗ month and how we could possibly raise

18:32 ↗ funds for those types of facilities

18:34 ↗ later on in the CIP

18:37 ↗ 2027 2028 we also anticipate looking at

18:42 ↗ ways to raise funds for Parks

18:45 ↗ infrastructure

18:46 ↗ we've heard a lot from our community

18:47 ↗ about the desire to invest more in our

18:49 ↗ parks and to bring our Parks up to a

18:51 ↗ modern standard and so we'll be looking

18:53 ↗ for different Revenue options to help

18:55 ↗ pay for

18:56 ↗ paper the capital uh Finance Community

18:59 ↗ task force said that transportation is

19:03 ↗ our number one priority and that we

19:04 ↗ should be focusing on Transportation

19:06 ↗ first and so that's why we're coming

19:08 ↗ forward with this tip and the

19:11 ↗ assumptions

19:12 ↗ um in the tip asking city council to

19:15 ↗ approve of this sales tax

19:18 ↗ so so this is specifically I know it

19:20 ↗ says four but it's specifically for

19:22 ↗ transportation that's correct and it has

19:24 ↗ to be because it's related to the

19:28 ↗ transportation

19:29 ↗ District the City of Issaquah adopted

19:32 ↗ Transportation benefit District a few

19:34 ↗ years ago

19:36 ↗ um we have never adopted any revenues to

19:38 ↗ support that Transportation benefit

19:40 ↗ District so this would be it's

19:42 ↗ specifically a tool Allowed by the state

19:44 ↗ for transportation benefit districts all

19:46 ↗ of the money's levied by the sales tax

19:48 ↗ have to go for transportation

19:50 ↗ improvements

19:52 ↗ I was curious about the transportation

19:56 ↗ benefit district is that for all of the

19:58 ↗ City of Issaquah it's not just a little

20:01 ↗ part of it that's correct yeah I wanted

20:04 ↗ to be sure about that yeah other other

20:05 ↗ cities it depends some cities do it

20:08 ↗ differently you can do it for a certain

20:10 ↗ section of the city when the City of

20:12 ↗ Issaquah adopted this form to the

20:14 ↗ transportation benefit District they

20:16 ↗ chose the city borders to be the borders

20:18 ↗ of the transportation benefit District

20:26 ↗ yeah yeah and that means you know sales

20:29 ↗ tax is collected across the city can

20:32 ↗ then benefit across the city

20:35 ↗ um you know one of the reasons why

20:36 ↗ transportation benefit districts why

20:39 ↗ sales tax is the tool and why the task

20:42 ↗ force had recommended a consideration of

20:44 ↗ a sales tax to fund Transportation

20:47 ↗ um is because

20:51 ↗ right we have a large daytime population

20:53 ↗ lots of employees lots of people buy

20:56 ↗ things and pass through Issaquah most of

20:58 ↗ them are doing it by using the city

21:00 ↗ streets one way or another whether

21:02 ↗ they're on a bus a bike when they're

21:04 ↗ walking or driving they're all abusing

21:06 ↗ Transportation infrastructure to

21:07 ↗ purchase goods and so that's why the

21:10 ↗ sales tax kind of spreads out those

21:12 ↗ costs a little bit more among

21:14 ↗ transportation system users than say

21:17 ↗ just a property tax which would only tax

21:19 ↗ our residents

21:21 ↗ um so it spreads out those costs Beyond

21:23 ↗ just the residents that people live in

21:27 ↗ does this also anticipate the

21:29 ↗ I've seen it in a bunch of different

21:31 ↗ reports like the downturn that a lot

21:35 ↗ jurisdictions are facing especially

21:37 ↗ after going back yes and Robert you can

21:40 ↗ talk to some of that what I've seen in

21:41 ↗ retail sales tax receipts Yeah we

21:44 ↗ actually

21:45 ↗ have about a quarter of the retail sales

21:48 ↗ tax numbers first quarter almost then

21:50 ↗ now we have two months almost getting

21:52 ↗ three months we're actually not seeing

21:54 ↗ the downturns yet that other areas are

21:57 ↗ but

21:58 ↗ um however one of the items that we are

22:00 ↗ seeing that's impacting

22:02 ↗ specifically Transportation revenues is

22:04 ↗ our real estate excise taxes so anytime

22:07 ↗ you sell a house there's a percentage

22:09 ↗ that's tax that goes to the city that

22:11 ↗ has dropped this year so the last three

22:13 ↗ months it's

22:15 ↗ um down about 50 of what it was this

22:17 ↗ time last year so it's a very real

22:20 ↗ estate it's a very volatile Market what

22:21 ↗ we were seeing last year was a lot of

22:23 ↗ strong commercial activity we're not

22:24 ↗ seeing a strong commercial activity

22:26 ↗ right now and the local real estate

22:28 ↗ market the residential Market is a

22:31 ↗ little bit slower so we had anticipated

22:34 ↗ a bit of a downtrend that already built

22:36 ↗ in our two-year budget this year that

22:37 ↗ started in 23 and 24.

22:39 ↗ um that being said refund several

22:42 ↗ Transportation projects with that fund

22:44 ↗ and we also learned about a million

22:46 ↗ dollars worth of Transportation

22:47 ↗ operations out of that department so

22:49 ↗ um with that downturn again having

22:52 ↗ another Revenue source for

22:53 ↗ transportation projects is critical to

22:55 ↗ offset those losses

22:58 ↗ foreign

22:58 ↗ so um you're describing that that real

23:02 ↗ estate access tax that goes to a

23:05 ↗ specific bucket that's handled

23:07 ↗ differently than the general fund and

23:10 ↗ it's so there's restricted uses to that

23:12 ↗ predominantly the use is going to be

23:14 ↗ transportation okay and just

23:16 ↗ proportionally I don't need specific

23:18 ↗ numbers what's the commercial side of

23:20 ↗ that compared to the residential side

23:23 ↗ that's a very good question it depends

23:25 ↗ month by month or changes so in some

23:27 ↗ months where there might not be any

23:29 ↗ commercial opportunities

23:30 ↗ it's very it's a Baltimore thing so

23:32 ↗ sometimes they'll see like a 10 million

23:34 ↗ dollar building go on a shopping center

23:37 ↗ other months it'll be slower we're going

23:40 ↗ to see more residential than commercials

23:41 ↗ so it's really hard to say with the

23:42 ↗ balances I'd say for the totals for last

23:45 ↗ year it was probably 50 50.

23:50 ↗ question um so the TBD

23:53 ↗ um what I wanted to I wasn't following

23:55 ↗ the

23:57 ↗ state

23:58 ↗ legislatures act to

24:00 ↗ um Empower cities to raise tax without

24:03 ↗ vote is that inside or outside of the

24:06 ↗ contracts of the TBD it's inside of the

24:10 ↗ context of the table so the the broad

24:13 ↗ action it was specific to this that's

24:15 ↗ yeah and prior to that that would have

24:17 ↗ taken a vote even once the TV was formed

24:19 ↗ prior to that it was um what was in this

24:23 ↗ I think it was 0.2

24:26 ↗ um vote to the people was what we had

24:28 ↗ contemplated in our task force

24:30 ↗ conversation so this is less um we could

24:33 ↗ still go to the voters for a larger

24:34 ↗ percentage of sales tax

24:37 ↗ um but what what the state legislature

24:39 ↗ enabled was a 0.1 sales tax to be voted

24:42 ↗ by city council

24:43 ↗ they just still elaborate a little bit

24:45 ↗ from the Transportation benefit

24:46 ↗ districts the city council serving as

24:48 ↗ the team right district has the ability

24:51 ↗ to before this passed to do a car chat

24:55 ↗ between the city they've decided not to

24:57 ↗ do that obviously Democrats that have a

24:58 ↗ very large

25:03 ↗ um so that was the only option that the

25:06 ↗ counselor gives you about going out

25:07 ↗ voters

25:08 ↗ now the council can do a point they can

25:11 ↗ enact a plain one percent but they can

25:12 ↗ also go back to voters for in the future

25:14 ↗ for 0.2 CBD sales tax as well but the

25:18 ↗ point one percent they do not need to

25:19 ↗ have

25:21 ↗ effective Alaska

25:22 ↗ great thank you and it's and it's not

25:24 ↗ just or anything it's really related to

25:27 ↗ the TV okay

25:29 ↗ there's suddenly a run on tvds in the

25:31 ↗ state of Washington that's foreign

25:54 ↗ sales tax pass just adds on to what the

25:57 ↗ city

25:58 ↗ so we can receive again up to 0.3 with

26:02 ↗ voter approval for this

26:03 ↗ but there's no apps there's no absolute

26:05 ↗ maximum

26:07 ↗ there is

26:10 ↗ so this is new it's not a renewal

26:12 ↗ correct correct and this is new budget

26:17 ↗ for new purposes or is there going to be

26:19 ↗ any sort of like taking stuff out of

26:22 ↗ other budget because this new tax is

26:24 ↗ created and then for funding it for that

26:27 ↗ the great question so

26:30 ↗ um we are having this conversation with

26:32 ↗ Council councilman always decide to

26:34 ↗ change things what we're proposing is if

26:37 ↗ you looked at a past tips if you looked

26:40 ↗ at the many documents attached to this

26:43 ↗ packet there's so many projects that are

26:46 ↗ unfunded without ears of the of the CIP

26:49 ↗ and there's many projects that are even

26:51 ↗ unfunded within the six-year plan of the

26:53 ↗ CIP so what we've done is we've looked

26:56 ↗ at okay how are we going to fund these

26:58 ↗ projects and actually do them and so

27:01 ↗ what we're talking about for this TBD

27:03 ↗ sales tax will compose into city council

27:05 ↗ is that this sales tax would be used to

27:09 ↗ help pay for a couple of projects that

27:11 ↗ we have been wanting to do but didn't

27:13 ↗ have revenues to do and so that includes

27:15 ↗ the Northwest Sammamish non-motorized

27:17 ↗ improvements in our proposal that

27:20 ↗ includes uh squawk Mountain

27:23 ↗ non-motorized improvements so whether

27:25 ↗ that's sidewalks or bike Lanes that's

27:28 ↗ under study right now and what those

27:30 ↗ might look like and there's a few other

27:32 ↗ things as well more in the near term

27:37 ↗ is that we're having trouble identifying

27:39 ↗ any other Revenue sources especially

27:42 ↗ given the challenges that Robert just

27:44 ↗ noted with the real estate excise tax

27:48 ↗ decreasing recently and also the gas tax

27:51 ↗ the gas accessing that the state hasn't

27:54 ↗ progressively increasing for years

27:56 ↗ because if you think of okay it makes it

27:58 ↗ a gas price go higher at the pump last

28:00 ↗ couple years but at the same time

28:02 ↗ people are getting more fuel efficient

28:03 ↗ vehicles they're getting electric

28:04 ↗ vehicles so that's actually gradually

28:06 ↗ decreasing that Revenue allocation that

28:09 ↗ we've seen from the state the state did

28:10 ↗ enact a law it was a last session in the

28:13 ↗ session before to charge electric be an

28:15 ↗ electric vehicle fee

28:17 ↗ um when you register your car every year

28:19 ↗ the cities do not receive anything that

28:21 ↗ goes directly to the state so we don't

28:22 ↗ receive any portion of that so that

28:25 ↗ piece is delivered so that's why we're

28:26 ↗ looking for more secure Revenue sources

28:28 ↗ and again the levers that cities can

28:31 ↗ pull when TVs can pull for

28:34 ↗ transportation is very limited so it's

28:36 ↗ either

28:37 ↗ read like we talked about the DVD sales

28:40 ↗ tax that we're proposing podcasts which

28:42 ↗ we are not doing here in the City of

28:44 ↗ Issaquah but also

28:46 ↗ um

28:47 ↗ Emily and her group and and John and

28:50 ↗ Engineering Group they're very

28:51 ↗ aggressive in trying to secure stable

28:53 ↗ funding partner is also trying to secure

28:55 ↗ state and local funding for the

28:56 ↗ infrastructure that those passed by

28:58 ↗ state and federal government to

28:59 ↗ hopefully work with their normal elected

29:02 ↗ officials at the state and federal level

29:04 ↗ to secure some of that money for some of

29:07 ↗ our multimobal projects and some of our

29:08 ↗ larger Transportation projects so we're

29:11 ↗ always doing that so it's kind of a

29:13 ↗ multi-wan approach to secure Avenues I

29:16 ↗ do just want to take a pause and make

29:17 ↗ sure that but Tom I tend to forget

29:19 ↗ sometimes our virtual attendees Tom did

29:22 ↗ you have any questions

30:31 ↗ there you go yeah okay you're good okay

30:35 ↗ thanks Tom great yeah it's just good if

30:40 ↗ anyone's interested I think I found the

30:42 ↗ right one

30:43 ↗ um the bill that had the GD uh Revenue

30:47 ↗ option Senate Bill

30:49 ↗ 5974 from the 2122 cycle

30:53 ↗ um

30:56 ↗ great

30:59 ↗ um okay so moving on uh so this we're

31:05 ↗ asking for feedback from you all today

31:07 ↗ especially on the criteria right and so

31:09 ↗ I wanted to pull out some things that I

31:11 ↗ saw

31:12 ↗ um as we scored these projects so first

31:16 ↗ many Transportation items were really

31:18 ↗ high in equity and uh and that is uh no

31:23 ↗ small tax because I think we have a

31:25 ↗ pretty high bar high threshold for how

31:28 ↗ we scored these projects especially in

31:30 ↗ relation to equity so

31:32 ↗ um the green or just score high and

31:35 ↗ Equity means that

31:37 ↗ um these Transportation projects

31:40 ↗ specifically uh

31:42 ↗ are targeted to correct a historic

31:45 ↗ disparity in services to an underserved

31:49 ↗ population or underrepresented

31:51 ↗ population and there are many

31:52 ↗ Transportation items that

31:55 ↗ um for example uh are improvements for

31:58 ↗ Ada improvements so increased

32:00 ↗ accessibility of the city which is which

32:03 ↗ is great

32:04 ↗ um also most projects were considered

32:08 ↗ neutral to climate resiliency and

32:11 ↗ environmental benefit

32:12 ↗ again this is a really high bar that we

32:15 ↗ have

32:16 ↗ so if you look at in your packet there's

32:18 ↗ an attachment that shows criteria

32:20 ↗ scoring and you'll see the red yellow

32:22 ↗ green across the transportation projects

32:25 ↗ and what um what to score Green with the

32:29 ↗ highest score you can have under uh

32:32 ↗ environmental benefit in climate

32:33 ↗ resiliency means that

32:35 ↗ the project is necessary to really

32:40 ↗ correcting is the cause and impact on

32:43 ↗ climate change that it provides a

32:47 ↗ critical benefit to the environment and

32:50 ↗ to score neutral means in this case that

32:54 ↗ it's actually still net positive read

32:57 ↗ needs that it has no impact

33:00 ↗ the red in this case doesn't mean that

33:03 ↗ it has a negative impact on the

33:04 ↗ environment red means it has pretty much

33:06 ↗ no no impact and so

33:09 ↗ um so most projects were considered or

33:12 ↗ considered neutral at least at the

33:14 ↗ concept level and so I think that's

33:15 ↗ important to note again we've had a

33:17 ↗ really high bar with how we have scored

33:19 ↗ these projects and so that was another

33:22 ↗ trend

33:25 ↗ um projects uh that scored poorly in

33:28 ↗ climate resiliency and environmental

33:30 ↗ benefit we did have some that scored red

33:33 ↗ often scored really high in life safety

33:35 ↗ and legal mandate so even though for

33:38 ↗ example there might be some uh some

33:41 ↗ items that benefit motorized vehicles

33:44 ↗ that might benefit single occupant

33:46 ↗ Vehicle drivers Etc that of course have

33:49 ↗ negative impacts on the environment were

33:52 ↗ also really important for Life Safety

33:54 ↗ and ensuring the safety of our roads for

33:56 ↗ motorists pedestrians and bicyclists as

33:58 ↗ well and so

34:00 ↗ um so you'll see that Trend that there

34:02 ↗ are some

34:03 ↗ um that we really felt like that life

34:05 ↗ safety impact

34:07 ↗ um was really important and therefore

34:09 ↗ those projects needed to be included in

34:11 ↗ this six-year plan

34:14 ↗ um I was just looking I don't have the

34:16 ↗ scoring sheets with me right now but

34:19 ↗ um the top three projects and costs they

34:23 ↗ were about half of the entire package

34:26 ↗ um so it was the viewport 84 to 900 and

34:31 ↗ at those Newport Way make all the sunset

34:33 ↗ and it was seven

34:35 ↗ um pavement management plan so those

34:39 ↗ three were about half of the whole thing

34:41 ↗ um close to climate resiliency score

34:44 ↗ for those

34:47 ↗ um I am gonna have to look that up so

34:51 ↗ just a second I'll take a look

35:01 ↗ um

35:13 ↗ the best part about me that's

35:16 ↗ the environment

35:19 ↗ yeah so that's the streets programs

35:21 ↗ right

35:23 ↗ like can you explain the scale again red

35:25 ↗ is

35:27 ↗ a nature better than neutral and green

35:30 ↗ days like it is not good for inclined

35:33 ↗ results no no green so let me let me go

35:36 ↗ to that criteria definition and I'll put

35:39 ↗ that up on the screen so you can see

35:42 ↗ um no we just kind of challenge

35:44 ↗ it looks like

35:46 ↗ uh tell him she took her screen share

35:48 ↗ off and just so you know you got Giant

35:51 ↗ on our monitor

35:55 ↗ okay

35:57 ↗ uh second one up there

36:04 ↗ so

36:11 ↗ okay

36:17 ↗ like I said this should be in your

36:19 ↗ packet

36:22 ↗ um

36:23 ↗ but here we go so for

36:26 ↗ Environmental

36:29 ↗ climate resiliency or environmental

36:31 ↗ benefit hopefully everybody can see that

36:34 ↗ um green

36:35 ↗ yeah it doesn't need to be a large

36:37 ↗ groups

36:40 ↗ yeah that's good yeah that's good okay

36:43 ↗ great

36:45 ↗ so

36:46 ↗ um green means the project required that

36:49 ↗ is required to prevent or correct

36:51 ↗ detrimental impact to vital habitat

36:54 ↗ ecosystem natural or natural resources

36:57 ↗ or the project prevents or corrects

37:00 ↗ physical contributions to climate change

37:02 ↗ yellow or what we're sometimes calling

37:05 ↗ neutral in this case means that the

37:07 ↗ project reduces a detrimental impact so

37:11 ↗ there's it's required to completely

37:13 ↗ prevent or correct and this one is it

37:15 ↗ reduces a detrimental impact or provides

37:18 ↗ a benefit to vital habitat ecosystem or

37:22 ↗ natural resource or the project has some

37:26 ↗ positive effects on isopus contributions

37:29 ↗ to climate change

37:31 ↗ and then I know there was a concern from

37:34 ↗ the environmental board so that's why

37:36 ↗ this language is ignored even at the

37:38 ↗ potential risk of minor negative

37:39 ↗ benefits to Habitat ecosystem or natural

37:41 ↗ resources so sometimes there can be both

37:44 ↗ you know positive benefits and even some

37:47 ↗ negative ones depending on the project

37:49 ↗ so that's how we try not to even out

37:50 ↗ that

37:51 ↗ um and then red means that the project

37:54 ↗ will have no environmental impact no

37:57 ↗ negative environmental impact or we'll

37:59 ↗ have negative environment or we'll have

38:03 ↗ I think

38:04 ↗ some negative environmental impacts that

38:07 ↗ specifically mean habitat

38:09 ↗ or climate so that's that's how the

38:12 ↗ criteria are defined and that's what we

38:14 ↗ used to apply to these projects

38:17 ↗ so

38:19 ↗ um you

38:20 ↗ explain like how open two parts the one

38:23 ↗ that's expanding makes it into another

38:25 ↗ Lane how that one receives the green

38:28 ↗ ing on this yeah Emily yes I can can use

38:33 ↗ pumps just I want to make sure that your

38:34 ↗ voice is picked up on the mic concerns

38:36 ↗ and

38:38 ↗ so I think when staff reviews those two

38:40 ↗ projects there are a few things to keep

38:42 ↗ in mind

38:43 ↗ uh adding

38:45 ↗ non-motorized Mobility features so the

38:48 ↗ ability to maybe take some vehicular

38:51 ↗ traffic off the roadway in the future

38:53 ↗ plus significant storm water management

38:56 ↗ and treatment facilities and control

38:58 ↗ improve you know runoff as a pets to

39:01 ↗ create some links

39:03 ↗ so those are the those are the two

39:05 ↗ significant factors that I think weight

39:08 ↗ into their decision making those

39:11 ↗ projects

39:12 ↗ or maybe another road project doesn't

39:14 ↗ include quite the same

39:17 ↗ non-monorized modularity aspects or may

39:21 ↗ not have the storm water treatment

39:23 ↗ and I think for that project it was

39:26 ↗ really especially the storm water

39:27 ↗ treatment even the assisting conditions

39:30 ↗ yes on how that storm water

39:32 ↗ is it infants at all managed yeah at all

39:36 ↗ versus the new project is just going to

39:38 ↗ improve that so many more in the cr-23

39:42 ↗ project the sr950s Ford they need for

39:45 ↗ does include a bike lane so those

39:46 ↗ include a bi-directional I'm not so

39:49 ↗ doubtful about the

39:50 ↗ Lane

39:59 ↗ um

39:59 ↗ it's a very large extent of important

40:02 ↗ way uh Maple to Sunset yeah

40:07 ↗ just

40:09 ↗ um

40:21 ↗ what's there today uh the other thing to

40:24 ↗ keep in mind there's tons of aspects of

40:25 ↗ these projects and

40:27 ↗ um that criteria is not so scientific

40:30 ↗ right that everyone's willing to apply

40:32 ↗ it in exactly the same way

40:35 ↗ um

40:35 ↗ we feel

40:36 ↗ good about the argument that they could

40:39 ↗ make and to have rated it the way that

40:41 ↗ it is another thing to keep in mind on

40:43 ↗ that particular project it's uh that

40:47 ↗ road needs some additional traffic

40:48 ↗ control it leads to

40:51 ↗ facilitate bus movements better so there

40:54 ↗ are new features that will allow a

40:57 ↗ roundabouts for example and traffic

41:00 ↗ signals

41:01 ↗ um and uh we'll present access

41:07 ↗ but all of that said

41:10 ↗ um that's why we're here tonight is

41:11 ↗ asking that question and do you feel

41:13 ↗ like we've applied the criteria well

41:16 ↗ um do you feel like there are changes

41:18 ↗ that you refer we make and how we

41:20 ↗ applied those criteria so as we have

41:22 ↗ this conversation if there's

41:23 ↗ recommendations that you have then we

41:25 ↗ want to hear them

41:27 ↗ foreign

41:39 ↗ go back to the presentation

41:47 ↗ does include

41:49 ↗ multi-use bike path bike lane cyborg

41:53 ↗ so there's another best change about it

41:55 ↗ yeah

41:59 ↗ and it scores high in Lake City

42:02 ↗ okay

42:05 ↗ um so

42:11 ↗ um just wanted to go over some of the

42:13 ↗ very near-term uh Transportation

42:16 ↗ investment so The Tib or CIP covers six

42:20 ↗ years but what we often do within the

42:23 ↗ tip and CIP is we just we try to plan

42:27 ↗ out uh to a greater detail the first

42:30 ↗ couple of years of the plan because as

42:32 ↗ we get farther into the future the

42:34 ↗ future becomes harder to predict right

42:37 ↗ um and so what we were what we're really

42:39 ↗ looking at for this tip is making sure

42:41 ↗ that the projects in 24 25 and 26 all

42:45 ↗ have assigned funding to them

42:47 ↗ and so and that we can easily

42:50 ↗ um continue to budget for these projects

42:52 ↗ so um I wanted to review those near-term

42:55 ↗ projects there's too many projects in

42:56 ↗ the tip to go over all of them today and

42:59 ↗ the intent is not to go over them in

43:00 ↗ detail in your packet there were project

43:02 ↗ summaries so if you have questions

43:04 ↗ specific to a certain project then I

43:07 ↗ invite you to look at your packet

43:08 ↗ materials

43:09 ↗ um but just to give you an overview of

43:11 ↗ what types of projects are included in

43:14 ↗ the next couple of years that um Ada

43:17 ↗ Improvement program these are all the

43:19 ↗ programs are kind of ongoing type of

43:23 ↗ projects or programs that you'll find in

43:25 ↗ the tip so it's 80 improvements pavement

43:28 ↗ management concrete management

43:31 ↗ which includes sidewalks gutters things

43:35 ↗ like that

43:36 ↗ um

43:37 ↗ strategic small capital projects it's

43:39 ↗ more of an ongoing program that we try

43:42 ↗ to have funds for every year signal

43:44 ↗ detection replacement program signal

43:46 ↗ cabinet replacement program and the rrfb

43:50 ↗ replacement program so you're also going

43:52 ↗ to be seeing in this tip more projects

43:55 ↗ related to the its project that nature

43:57 ↗ intelligent Transportation Systems smart

44:00 ↗ signals Etc we're just starting to put

44:02 ↗ some of these things into the tip

44:04 ↗ which we'll see more on the next slide I

44:07 ↗ think

44:08 ↗ um so also for projects over the next

44:11 ↗ couple of years

44:13 ↗ um oh this covers multimodal projects so

44:16 ↗ we have the Newport sr912 by competent

44:19 ↗ improvements we've talked a little bit

44:21 ↗ about the squawk Mountain multi-modal

44:23 ↗ improvements East Sunset way pedestrian

44:26 ↗ Crossing improvements we also have a

44:29 ↗ public electric vehicle charging

44:30 ↗ stations in this tip and then some of

44:34 ↗ the its type of upgrades the dynamic

44:38 ↗ messaging sign replacement

44:40 ↗ and its camera upgrades

44:44 ↗ and then we have some of these projects

44:46 ↗ that should seem a little bit familiar

44:48 ↗ to new to you that black nugget ball

44:50 ↗ rating really high in life safety then

44:53 ↗ we have the sunsetly landslide prepare

44:56 ↗ Northwest Gilman Bridge improvements

44:58 ↗ Newport sr954 which we just talked about

45:01 ↗ Newport Nicholas Sunset and Northwest

45:03 ↗ University improvements those are the

45:05 ↗ some of the projects that we've done

45:09 ↗ so next steps in this process uh you'll

45:12 ↗ recall we started back in February of

45:15 ↗ looking at those criteria and refining

45:17 ↗ those criteria together not just with

45:19 ↗ this group but also with our Equity

45:21 ↗ board with the park board with the

45:23 ↗ environmental board

45:24 ↗ uh now we're in this bold and black base

45:28 ↗ here which is getting bored to feedback

45:30 ↗ how the drafts VIP meets those criteria

45:33 ↗ and next we're going to take that

45:35 ↗ feedback to the council committees we

45:38 ↗ have a number of council committees and

45:40 ↗ each have assigned sections of this VIP

45:43 ↗ but they're going to be reviewing uh the

45:45 ↗ transportation projects will go on to

45:47 ↗ the mobility and infrastructure

45:48 ↗ committee for example

45:50 ↗ and they will be able to dive more

45:52 ↗ deeply on their section of the CIP

45:54 ↗ they're reviewing and then we take it to

45:57 ↗ not a cow but that stands for committee

45:59 ↗ on the whole uh it's Committee of the

46:01 ↗ whole Council to discuss the entire CIP

46:03 ↗ altogether and then we'll be asking for

46:05 ↗ Council adoption hopefully before July

46:07 ↗ 1st

46:08 ↗ that's where that's where we're headed

46:11 ↗ any questions on where we are in this

46:13 ↗ process or nice steps

46:17 ↗ okay so when um

46:21 ↗ so then

46:22 ↗ um when we asked for the feedback and

46:24 ↗ Direction needed tonight this feedback I

46:26 ↗ think we have a couple of options on how

46:28 ↗ to capture this feedback I will of

46:31 ↗ course take copious amounts of notes on

46:32 ↗ what you say

46:34 ↗ um and would be happy to translate that

46:35 ↗ back to the mobility infrastructure

46:38 ↗ committee and include that in my

46:39 ↗ materials and presentations the mobility

46:41 ↗ infrastructure committee if this group

46:43 ↗ feels very strongly

46:46 ↗ um that you want to write a letter to

46:47 ↗ the mobility and infrastructure

46:49 ↗ committee with your feedback and

46:51 ↗ communicate with them in that way you

46:52 ↗ don't want me to be your mouthpiece but

46:54 ↗ you would rather communicate more

46:55 ↗ directly to them then that's another

46:57 ↗ option for you and how to provide the

46:58 ↗ feedback to mobility and infrastructure

47:00 ↗ committee so that's something you can

47:02 ↗ think about

47:03 ↗ um as you consider the next few

47:05 ↗ questions which are generally how did we

47:09 ↗ do in applying these criteria were there

47:11 ↗ big surprises

47:13 ↗ um you know did we miss something big

47:15 ↗ should we have applied this criteria

47:17 ↗ differently

47:18 ↗ what changes in the future should we

47:20 ↗ consider to the criteria or how we apply

47:23 ↗ them

47:25 ↗ thank you

47:33 ↗ um

47:37 ↗ well

47:38 ↗ I'm okay I'm just think you might want

47:40 ↗ to be something yeah you go ahead I

47:42 ↗ always comment so

47:44 ↗ uh you know I think the thing that kind

47:46 ↗ of stands out I'm really just jumping to

47:48 ↗ the second question is

47:50 ↗ it seems like and I think we talked

47:53 ↗ about this in February that some of

47:54 ↗ these just are gonna have a higher

47:57 ↗ priority

47:59 ↗ um even the criteria right are going to

48:01 ↗ have a higher priority than others and

48:03 ↗ so it's sort of like without

48:05 ↗ reading I'm kind of curious like you

48:08 ↗ know looking at the colors right what

48:10 ↗ does that actually

48:12 ↗ what's that decision process

48:15 ↗ and

48:17 ↗ does this turn into an exercise of

48:21 ↗ yeah that looks right okay or is there

48:24 ↗ something more to like well

48:27 ↗ we we understand that life safety and

48:31 ↗ legal mandate is the top priority so if

48:33 ↗ it's not

48:35 ↗ you know if it's green there we're going

48:37 ↗ to ignore the rest but if it's not green

48:39 ↗ there then we're going to consider the

48:40 ↗ rest I guess it's just more like what is

48:42 ↗ there a process behind that and if not

48:45 ↗ should there be maybe not but yeah it's

48:48 ↗ it's a great question and it's it's

48:49 ↗ tough right because

48:52 ↗ um we chose not to assign waiting to

48:55 ↗ each of these criteria because uh

48:58 ↗ there's just different circumstances

49:00 ↗ that come up so even things that

49:03 ↗ um rank really high in life safety it

49:06 ↗ can depend on what your life safety

49:09 ↗ comes into consideration we can talk

49:12 ↗ about the black nugget wall if if

49:15 ↗ five years ago this year it's not a life

49:18 ↗ safety concern in a couple of years it's

49:20 ↗ going to start to be a life safety

49:22 ↗ concern if we don't do anything and so

49:24 ↗ that's that's it's an art it's

49:26 ↗ definitely an art and highly apply these

49:28 ↗ things if we assigned waiting to them

49:30 ↗ and tried to make it a bit more

49:32 ↗ scientific or mathematical the concern

49:34 ↗ is that we would we would lose something

49:37 ↗ so we use the criteria in scoring as a

49:41 ↗ starting point so we did assign number

49:43 ↗ values to the projects um so one two and

49:47 ↗ three based off of the color and then we

49:50 ↗ looked at total spores and said okay

49:51 ↗ what does this give us and do we need to

49:54 ↗ consider this further given things like

49:56 ↗ how significant of a life safety issue

49:58 ↗ is this does it in fact from everything

50:01 ↗ not all life safety issues will not

50:04 ↗ every year right so you kind of need to

50:06 ↗ look through those things and

50:08 ↗ um so we use those numbers as uh final

50:11 ↗ scores as a guiding point to then

50:13 ↗ interpret further and to really

50:14 ↗ understand okay what are the criteria of

50:16 ↗ telling us and in this particular case

50:19 ↗ uh does it outweigh given the very

50:23 ↗ particular circumstances of a project so

50:26 ↗ it is how we used it was more of an art

50:29 ↗ than trying to apply it which is one of

50:32 ↗ the reasons why we're asking for

50:33 ↗ feedback and determining what what did

50:35 ↗ we miss are you looking at it uh who

50:39 ↗ somehow waited for cost like the return

50:41 ↗ on your investment that you're getting

50:43 ↗ in each of these scores

50:52 ↗ and and

50:53 ↗ how does that compare against other

50:55 ↗ projects so

50:58 ↗ um and other criteria so if there's a

51:01 ↗ really expensive project that maybe uh

51:05 ↗ you know it's hard to measure return on

51:07 ↗ investment for some of these projects

51:10 ↗ um when you talk about Community value

51:12 ↗ and quality of life and so that's when

51:15 ↗ we look at okay cost versus how high of

51:18 ↗ a priority is this in the community is

51:21 ↗ it part of lots of Master plans have you

51:23 ↗ heard of the outro outcry from the

51:25 ↗ community that we really need to be

51:26 ↗ doing this thing

51:28 ↗ um so we do look at these criteria in

51:30 ↗ relation to each other to determine what

51:32 ↗ should be prioritized within the next

51:34 ↗ six years so return on investment's a

51:37 ↗ good question because when I look at

51:38 ↗ like the programs I think we set that up

51:40 ↗ as part of the intention of for

51:42 ↗ maintaining that investment we're

51:44 ↗ contributing to that investment because

51:45 ↗ you build a road you build

51:47 ↗ infrastructure you build sidewalks these

51:50 ↗ are going to come up you're going to

51:51 ↗ have triggers

51:52 ↗ pavement's going to go after a few years

51:54 ↗ instead of maintain that investment to

51:56 ↗ get a higher return on the investment

51:57 ↗ that's why we think the programs are

51:59 ↗ critical so again we're not reading

52:00 ↗ anything like Andrea said we're not

52:02 ↗ waiting anything more than the others

52:04 ↗ but if we're

52:05 ↗ we have a finite amount of money and

52:06 ↗ we're looking at which projects the

52:08 ↗ maintenance projects actually rise I

52:10 ↗ think a little bit higher at times at

52:11 ↗ least maintaining a level of that

52:13 ↗ because once your payment condition goes

52:15 ↗ down it's hard to get back up once your

52:17 ↗ sidewalk store cracked it's hard to get

52:20 ↗ back up here and I'll make him and get

52:21 ↗ this whole replacement and become a

52:22 ↗ small constant at the time so again

52:25 ↗ there's no waiting but if you're looking

52:27 ↗ to return different programs

52:29 ↗ the ongoing programs are very high with

52:31 ↗ that

52:37 ↗ I have a

52:39 ↗ couple

52:40 ↗ in just a couple of small comments but

52:44 ↗ um

52:45 ↗ was there anything that surprised you

52:47 ↗ after applying the criteria

52:51 ↗ um

52:53 ↗ and I'll just say the reason I asked the

52:56 ↗ question is I um I mean I'm just gonna

53:00 ↗ put it out there I think this is really

53:02 ↗ a terrific process and I really

53:05 ↗ appreciate how this process kind of um

53:09 ↗ this was like daylighted a little bit

53:11 ↗ more and I feel like we're pretty

53:13 ↗ engaged from an early stage and in a lot

53:16 ↗ of input but it also

53:18 ↗ um you know we're not supposed to like

53:20 ↗ get into the projects themselves and you

53:22 ↗ know it's a lot to take in and it's a

53:24 ↗ lot to make sense of as members that

53:27 ↗ serve on a volunteer board that meet you

53:28 ↗ know monthly and so for us to be able to

53:31 ↗ give like really valuable feedback it's

53:33 ↗ like we got to really live with this

53:34 ↗ stuff to see the you know and so I think

53:37 ↗ the reason I'm kind of asking the

53:39 ↗ question is is like yeah that's just

53:41 ↗ it's a lot to take in and synthesize and

53:43 ↗ try to come back and I'm not saying that

53:46 ↗ I'm not saying I'm going to keep trying

53:47 ↗ keep keep bringing this stuff to us

53:49 ↗ because I think we're going to get

53:51 ↗ better and better at like handling that

53:52 ↗ volume and it is really hard for me

53:55 ↗ personally and I'm not going to speak

53:57 ↗ for other people but just it's a lot to

53:59 ↗ take in and then try to sympathize and

54:01 ↗ come up with a an important you know

54:03 ↗ unless I've got a particular beef with

54:04 ↗ you know you've just got to move this

54:06 ↗ you know project or whatever but um just

54:09 ↗ I'll roll and I feel a slightly eloquent

54:12 ↗ to do that um but I want you just keep

54:15 ↗ keep on asking but that's kind of like

54:17 ↗ me to the question of like what

54:19 ↗ surprised you like what and I did

54:21 ↗ compare like the TMP from last year in

54:23 ↗ the tip just like to see what maybe I'll

54:26 ↗ see a few things just moved around there

54:28 ↗ was a except for um the its and some of

54:31 ↗ the things that you mentioned there

54:32 ↗ weren't there were not many that came on

54:36 ↗ um and so that's kind of I was just

54:37 ↗ wondering like what what did what

54:39 ↗ surprised you all and maybe that

54:42 ↗ question is for Emily as well or John um

54:44 ↗ is John's still with us yeah

54:46 ↗ um John M

54:48 ↗ um being having so much history on this

54:51 ↗ yeah uh I would say what surprised me is

54:56 ↗ I just stood back and I looked at the

54:58 ↗ criteria in the projects

55:00 ↗ um at how at the equity scores for

55:05 ↗ example that means our medal scores

55:09 ↗ um that was a bit surprising to me I

55:12 ↗ thought we'd get more green and then I

55:13 ↗ realized that we just set the bar really

55:15 ↗ hot to get it to get it to be green and

55:19 ↗ so

55:21 ↗ um I'll I'll use this example

55:24 ↗ um

55:24 ↗ because I think it's a it's a good one

55:26 ↗ it doesn't have to do a transportation

55:27 ↗ it has to do with Parks so the um the

55:31 ↗ pool roof

55:32 ↗ so the cool roof of

55:36 ↗ we have a project in there too

55:39 ↗ maintain that roof and

55:42 ↗ um

55:43 ↗ it doesn't it scores I think yellow in

55:46 ↗ equity and the reason for that is

55:49 ↗ because to score Green in equity

55:52 ↗ our standard that we've set for

55:54 ↗ ourselves is that it has to correct a

55:56 ↗ historical disparity

55:59 ↗ and

56:01 ↗ um that's a really high bar when we look

56:03 ↗ at the users of the pool and who stands

56:06 ↗ to lose the most who will be most

56:09 ↗ impacted if we do not maintain the pool

56:11 ↗ if we completely ignored the pool if we

56:13 ↗ allowed that roof to leak and then had

56:16 ↗ to close the pool it was going to lose

56:18 ↗ out the most it's going to be folks who

56:20 ↗ can't afford a membership at a private

56:23 ↗ pool whether it's a country club or to

56:25 ↗ build their own pool in their backyard

56:26 ↗ or whatever that looks like it's the

56:28 ↗ folks who can't afford that and so we

56:30 ↗ could say that the pool benefits you

56:34 ↗ know on the winter the pool benefits

56:36 ↗ everyone so is that high Equity but it

56:39 ↗ doesn't actually you know specifically

56:41 ↗ respond to a historic disparity we

56:44 ↗ necessarily replacing the room so it's

56:47 ↗ some of these criteria were hard to

56:49 ↗ apply and that's one of the reasons why

56:51 ↗ we're asking for feedback but I do think

56:53 ↗ as we step back I think we we put a

56:55 ↗ really high bar for ourselves and so we

56:57 ↗ look at these things we think we do a

56:58 ↗ lot of good work we are trying to

57:01 ↗ protect the public assets we're trying

57:03 ↗ to make investments that serve many

57:06 ↗ people in our community regardless of

57:08 ↗ what your socioeconomic status is but

57:10 ↗ we're bringing ourselves pretty hard and

57:11 ↗ and so that surprised me I look forward

57:14 ↗ to that conversation at the equity board

57:15 ↗ for example

57:16 ↗ um similar with the environmental board

57:18 ↗ I look forward to those conversations

57:19 ↗ because we tweaked those criteria

57:21 ↗ um a lot in this in the CNN process but

57:25 ↗ in terms of Transportation surprises

57:28 ↗ um you know I think it's been hard for

57:30 ↗ us to apply the environmental criteria

57:32 ↗ for transportation projects because

57:34 ↗ there's a lot into it you could have a

57:37 ↗ project that includes more bicycle

57:39 ↗ infrastructure critical connections

57:41 ↗ Transit connections But it includes

57:43 ↗ another Lane it needs more concrete well

57:46 ↗ concrete's produced in a really

57:48 ↗ unsustainable way there's a lot of

57:50 ↗ energy that's required to produce

57:51 ↗ concrete it's it's hard to balance all

57:54 ↗ of these things in a concise way I mean

57:57 ↗ this is this is you know graduate

57:59 ↗ research thesis stuff and environmental

58:01 ↗ impact and and we're trying to do it in

58:04 ↗ six weeks to come up with a CIP and so I

58:07 ↗ I think it's tough and that's why

58:09 ↗ um you know we grapple with how we apply

58:11 ↗ these criteria

58:13 ↗ um and again that's what I was looking

58:15 ↗ for feedback is are we thinking about

58:17 ↗ this the right way so and you know it's

58:20 ↗ it's tucked away environmental benefits

58:23 ↗ and some of the impacts right there's

58:26 ↗ this indirect benefits like how many

58:28 ↗ people are going to take the bus now

58:29 ↗ that the bus can move down Newport Way

58:31 ↗ faster and doesn't get stuck in the

58:32 ↗ traffic yeah and and how many people

58:34 ↗ today versus 15 years right right

58:37 ↗ because the world's going to change it

58:39 ↗ won't move people moving down

58:42 ↗ that's right

58:45 ↗ that's true

58:47 ↗ but yeah as an example so I I think it

58:50 ↗ was it was challenging and I think we've

58:52 ↗ set the bar really high for ourselves so

58:54 ↗ when we look at all these scores we want

58:56 ↗ to see a lot of greens but I think

58:58 ↗ seeing yellow is probably pretty okay

59:01 ↗ considering how high is the bar it is I

59:04 ↗ think it also helps us

59:06 ↗ um have different lenses and looking at

59:09 ↗ these projects at different times in

59:10 ↗ that process from conception and vision

59:13 ↗ and master plan to now we're making it

59:15 ↗ more real putting in the CIP now we're

59:17 ↗ really designing the project getting a

59:19 ↗ budget Etc so it just provides good a

59:22 ↗ good opportunity for us to reflect on

59:24 ↗ each of these projects

59:36 ↗ um particularly for Gilman Boulevard

59:42 ↗ where were those uh scored because we

59:45 ↗ don't really know how our company ended

59:48 ↗ up their vision is it just based on the

59:51 ↗ scope of work like safety improvements

59:53 ↗ focused on safety reasons and

59:55 ↗ development standards or I was at

59:58 ↗ scoring through there

1:00:00 ↗ let me attempt

1:00:03 ↗ for lawyers

1:00:04 ↗ it's not the only one that's just meant

1:00:07 ↗ all across the board yeah yeah

1:00:13 ↗ it's all mutually rated

1:00:18 ↗ so

1:00:22 ↗ um I'm sorry which project did you just

1:00:24 ↗ ask about I was asking about the Gilman

1:00:27 ↗ Boulevard

1:00:32 ↗ I'm trying to find what number it's 16.

1:00:34 ↗ 16 there it is okay thank you let me try

1:00:38 ↗ to make this a little bit bigger here

1:00:47 ↗ improvements

1:00:54 ↗ at this go a little bit

1:01:03 ↗ um so it is all yellow across

1:01:07 ↗ across the criteria

1:01:12 ↗ does that answer your question

1:01:14 ↗ yeah I was thinking I already have it on

1:01:16 ↗ here but I was just wondering like

1:01:18 ↗ um

1:01:19 ↗ how we're able to determine or how you

1:01:22 ↗ were to determined it was yellow without

1:01:25 ↗ knowing like because it's a concept yeah

1:01:28 ↗ yeah

1:01:30 ↗ I think that's a good question I can

1:01:32 ↗ attempt to answer it unless Emily or

1:01:34 ↗ John Morrison want to address that

1:01:35 ↗ question

1:01:37 ↗ no John is unavailable

1:01:40 ↗ so what I would say is this is a word

1:01:43 ↗ that I talk to staff that way about

1:01:46 ↗ um I I certainly went through every

1:01:48 ↗ little cell and

1:01:50 ↗ um we had quite a bit of exchange as I

1:01:53 ↗ kind of contested a few or asked to be

1:01:57 ↗ clarifying questions

1:01:59 ↗ and we made modifications this is not

1:02:02 ↗ one that I spent much time on and I

1:02:07 ↗ think precisely for the reason

1:02:09 ↗ um that you've stated that it's

1:02:11 ↗ conceptual at this point so it you're

1:02:14 ↗ right you pointed out

1:02:16 ↗ um something that is challenging about

1:02:18 ↗ this system it's how do you how do you

1:02:21 ↗ narrate a project where

1:02:25 ↗ um so much is unknown right

1:02:29 ↗ um and so I think uh this project

1:02:33 ↗ manager probably stepped back and and

1:02:35 ↗ looked at what is the process we're

1:02:37 ↗ gonna undertake to do this scope of work

1:02:40 ↗ the visioning exercise as they think

1:02:42 ↗ about that Equity what are we

1:02:45 ↗ anticipating there might be

1:02:47 ↗ opportunities for

1:02:49 ↗ climate resiliency that we could

1:02:53 ↗ um conceptualize in this project but I

1:02:57 ↗ think I think it was difficult to

1:03:00 ↗ lean green or lean red because so much

1:03:04 ↗ of it is unknown at this point in the

1:03:07 ↗ time

1:03:08 ↗ I think that's what we use absolutely

1:03:11 ↗ pointed out at something that's not a

1:03:14 ↗ big challenge with this sister is

1:03:16 ↗ bringing those

1:03:18 ↗ strategic plans Vision really not yet

1:03:21 ↗ Capital right yeah

1:03:25 ↗ was it obliged to be in the capital

1:03:29 ↗ budget just visioning process

1:03:33 ↗ and this one leads back to the central

1:03:35 ↗ Issaquah plan is related 2013 and part

1:03:39 ↗ of it was

1:03:40 ↗ a goal of more livable sustainable

1:03:42 ↗ imbalance makes you serious department

1:03:45 ↗ so again

1:03:48 ↗ Concepts that they've got Capital

1:03:49 ↗ attached to it it's a great area because

1:03:51 ↗ it's not a specific project just like

1:03:53 ↗ the programs we have items in there that

1:03:55 ↗ will lead to a technical projects like

1:03:57 ↗ part of that concept and this is one

1:03:59 ↗ here's a street we're going to have

1:04:00 ↗ improvements we're not sure what they

1:04:01 ↗ are yet or at least identifying and put

1:04:04 ↗ them in there

1:04:05 ↗ as we go forward and assumptions

1:04:07 ↗ identifying into 2019 specifically going

1:04:10 ↗ forward from there what is it going to

1:04:12 ↗ look like there's going to be a project

1:04:13 ↗ attached to making sure it's not lost in

1:04:15 ↗ the process so it's already been

1:04:18 ↗ identified maybe not the actual

1:04:19 ↗ instruction what's going to be but it's

1:04:21 ↗ in the project it's in the CIP to make

1:04:23 ↗ sure that it doesn't get lost for

1:04:25 ↗ example I'm showing five years later and

1:04:26 ↗ we're ready to build an NBC anymore for

1:04:29 ↗ example

1:04:30 ↗ and that's that's a challenge too that

1:04:32 ↗ we have we have a lot of strategic plans

1:04:34 ↗ and utilities we have system plans we

1:04:37 ↗ have Parks there's Park strategic plan

1:04:39 ↗ for example and making sure we're

1:04:41 ↗ capturing those items even at the

1:04:42 ↗ concepts in this document as our

1:04:44 ↗ recommendations for projects are

1:04:46 ↗ increased

1:04:48 ↗ I didn't announce in the the design is

1:04:51 ↗ for a big project like this is so

1:04:53 ↗ expensive in itself that is a capital

1:04:55 ↗ expense because it's a really big

1:04:57 ↗ project and it's going to take

1:04:59 ↗ um it's going to take a long time lots

1:05:02 ↗ of external expertise lots of public

1:05:04 ↗ involvement to shave it

1:05:10 ↗ can I ask more about the I guess like

1:05:13 ↗ one other questions was like what

1:05:15 ↗ surprise you were what what it means

1:05:18 ↗ I would just wasn't clear I should say

1:05:20 ↗ like I so the February game

1:05:24 ↗ um there was the hybrid options and I

1:05:26 ↗ was gonna be able to think yeah that the

1:05:27 ↗ last meeting you couldn't be at Uber so

1:05:29 ↗ I'm just like feeling like I'm an angry

1:05:31 ↗ Noodle and like ongoing for a few months

1:05:33 ↗ yeah so with that being said I feel like

1:05:35 ↗ you should probably give more weight so

1:05:37 ↗ like the other members feedback because

1:05:39 ↗ they have longer time is like steep in

1:05:41 ↗ this but there was like a like a

1:05:45 ↗ long-term project category yeah and it's

1:05:48 ↗ not on here and it's not like there was

1:05:50 ↗ some discussion

1:05:52 ↗ like a council or something that made it

1:05:55 ↗ so that that's not on the camera because

1:05:57 ↗ they wanted to talk about that more or

1:05:58 ↗ like Define it better or something like

1:05:59 ↗ that and so I guess that's mine like oh

1:06:02 ↗ I'm curious why that's not on there

1:06:04 ↗ other than I guess they want one

1:06:05 ↗ definition but that's kind of my thought

1:06:07 ↗ with this is like

1:06:08 ↗ and I don't know if it would and there's

1:06:10 ↗ no no waiting at these but like I don't

1:06:13 ↗ know I would weigh it as equally as the

1:06:15 ↗ others but like if something has just

1:06:16 ↗ been on like cips for 20 years and I'm

1:06:19 ↗ just gonna kick into hand and I feel

1:06:21 ↗ like that should be like at least like

1:06:23 ↗ had an aspects by that project or

1:06:25 ↗ something

1:06:26 ↗ yeah it's a it's a great so let's talk

1:06:29 ↗ about those criteria because it we

1:06:31 ↗ receive a lot of a really interesting

1:06:33 ↗ feedback at the board Summit that I

1:06:35 ↗ think you should just be aware of

1:06:37 ↗ because

1:06:39 ↗ um so when we had this conversation with

1:06:41 ↗ Council in January about the criteria

1:06:44 ↗ and asked for their comments uh they

1:06:46 ↗ said you know we really don't what we're

1:06:48 ↗ concerned about is in this process of

1:06:51 ↗ redoing criteria and taking a another

1:06:54 ↗ critical eye at what's been in the CIB

1:06:57 ↗ we don't want to lose some long-standing

1:07:01 ↗ commitments that we feel like we've made

1:07:02 ↗ we heard from the community over and

1:07:04 ↗ over again that something might be a

1:07:05 ↗ priority for example our Council feels

1:07:07 ↗ like they've made a commitment to do a

1:07:09 ↗ project and we don't want that to get

1:07:11 ↗ lost in the shuffle and so we think that

1:07:13 ↗ there's something uh something to say

1:07:16 ↗ about keeping promises that we make as a

1:07:19 ↗ city council and we try to ask them okay

1:07:21 ↗ what does that mean then is it something

1:07:23 ↗ that's been in the past dip forward when

1:07:26 ↗ they said well maybe not necessarily and

1:07:30 ↗ so they they they struggle you know they

1:07:33 ↗ they wanted to show they didn't want to

1:07:36 ↗ break promises they feel like they made

1:07:37 ↗ to the community but at the same time

1:07:40 ↗ they really struggled with how to define

1:07:41 ↗ it and they landed in the spot of saying

1:07:45 ↗ um we know it when we see it and so so

1:07:49 ↗ show us the list of names

1:07:52 ↗ so they said show us a list of

1:07:56 ↗ projects and we're going to talk about

1:07:58 ↗ that and we're gonna we're gonna debate

1:07:59 ↗ about that in a public open way

1:08:02 ↗ um but but it's hard for us to otherwise

1:08:04 ↗ Define it so that you can fold it into

1:08:06 ↗ the straighter process I think Finance

1:08:07 ↗ has done the best job that they can in

1:08:09 ↗ trying to

1:08:11 ↗ um trying to address it but when we go

1:08:13 ↗ to council and have this conversation

1:08:14 ↗ then I'm giving some friends that we

1:08:16 ↗ learn uh so that's how much council is

1:08:19 ↗ going to Define it we talked to the

1:08:21 ↗ boards about this at The Summit in

1:08:23 ↗ February and they most of the boards

1:08:25 ↗ struggle with it so what what is that

1:08:27 ↗ and how are we supposed to provide

1:08:29 ↗ comments on that and we even had uh

1:08:32 ↗ comments for boards that we passed on to

1:08:34 ↗ council and we'll be continuing to pass

1:08:35 ↗ on the Council of

1:08:37 ↗ um well this seems rather this doesn't

1:08:40 ↗ seem very transparent it's a

1:08:42 ↗ long-standing commitment but we are not

1:08:44 ↗ going to really Define that there might

1:08:46 ↗ be some equity sense in that for example

1:08:49 ↗ um so they they have so we heard

1:08:52 ↗ feedback from the board that this is a

1:08:54 ↗ little too squishy this should be better

1:08:56 ↗ to find

1:08:57 ↗ um and we're concerned with how

1:08:59 ↗ long-standing equipments May outweigh

1:09:01 ↗ other criteria or other goals that we

1:09:04 ↗ have and so I'm happy to pass that on to

1:09:08 ↗ council otherwise

1:09:10 ↗ it's it's been hard for us to work with

1:09:13 ↗ it since Council still needs to Define

1:09:15 ↗ it and work through this for us 90 cents

1:09:19 ↗ of that is like

1:09:21 ↗ I think it should be left the council to

1:09:25 ↗ discuss it

1:09:27 ↗ um particularly just just in the public

1:09:29 ↗ view I don't think it's especially for

1:09:33 ↗ those faculty concerns and also for the

1:09:35 ↗ Environmental

1:09:36 ↗ as well and how thinking on

1:09:39 ↗ Transportation has changed don't believe

1:09:41 ↗ in the past 20 30 years away from these

1:09:45 ↗ larger I mean the city was considering

1:09:48 ↗ two years ago four lane bypass up in the

1:09:53 ↗ middle of the Tiger Mountain Forest and

1:09:56 ↗ so it's like I think that's supposed to

1:09:59 ↗ be just going on the crash sometimes

1:10:06 ↗ today's

1:10:13 ↗ values you've heard of a very good point

1:10:16 ↗ because I believe that um

1:10:19 ↗ I think the planet action plan that's

1:10:21 ↗ something that studies that you said

1:10:23 ↗ it's a New Concept within two to three

1:10:25 ↗ years so again we're actually applying

1:10:27 ↗ that as part of one of the criteria for

1:10:29 ↗ the first time ever and actually having

1:10:31 ↗ sustainability projects for foreign

1:11:02 ↗ in 1997.

1:11:05 ↗ they were talking about

1:11:07 ↗ equipment in light for on this point

1:11:15 ↗ when did their money go on go ahead

1:11:20 ↗ it's been about three years

1:11:23 ↗ just before the pandemic

1:11:26 ↗ long-standing Commitment Community

1:11:28 ↗ Council Members promised in their

1:11:41 ↗ when I got home

1:11:44 ↗ even before

1:11:46 ↗ what they talked about

1:11:49 ↗ the big thing for us here in Issaquah is

1:11:52 ↗ looking at

1:11:54 ↗ I hope this will make sense looking at

1:11:57 ↗ they're cueing when you cue you've got

1:12:00 ↗ three major words that cuminate to one

1:12:04 ↗ problem for many years that you've seen

1:12:08 ↗ that done

1:12:09 ↗ we've never been able to fix that

1:12:12 ↗ there's the people

1:12:14 ↗ we're not in the city but call Issaquah

1:12:18 ↗ film or have to face that every morning

1:12:22 ↗ when they're coming in on the Hobart to

1:12:25 ↗ get to that yeah and one standing

1:12:28 ↗ commitment

1:12:32 ↗ I think that the taxpayers and the

1:12:35 ↗ citizens who see that that is a really

1:12:39 ↗ high priority and when the council

1:12:42 ↗ members stand and say I'm going to make

1:12:46 ↗ that change when I get landed

1:12:48 ↗ and then it doesn't get done

1:12:52 ↗ so

1:12:56 ↗ I think that that's a really really

1:12:59 ↗ important thing but I looked at that

1:13:01 ↗ chart and I saw it at home there's more

1:13:04 ↗ yellow than there's anything else

1:13:07 ↗ there's not

1:13:08 ↗ a whole bunch of green there's not a lot

1:13:11 ↗ of red but there's a lot of yellow

1:13:13 ↗ so that tells me that the L is what we

1:13:17 ↗ make our decisions on

1:13:20 ↗ if it's a lot of young

1:13:22 ↗ making our decisions

1:13:24 ↗ you mentioned that Edgar earlier

1:13:28 ↗ and I think

1:13:30 ↗ that this tab

1:13:32 ↗ really needs to be addicted to that area

1:13:35 ↗ too um

1:13:37 ↗ help with those decisions

1:13:39 ↗ we're not experts

1:13:42 ↗ [Music]

1:13:46 ↗ but we can sure talk about that this

1:13:48 ↗ this sensor right here can talk about

1:13:51 ↗ more understanding commitments because

1:13:53 ↗ I've seen it through my whole life and

1:13:57 ↗ the changes to this wonderful family

1:14:00 ↗ that we call home anyway for accomplish

1:14:04 ↗ this or maybe a good 1972 years

1:14:10 ↗ um I I just think

1:14:13 ↗ this is what makes the town so very

1:14:17 ↗ important

1:14:18 ↗ of course I felt that when I was on the

1:14:21 ↗ cemetery too but uh

1:14:27 ↗ more saying commitment is extremely

1:14:30 ↗ important for us because of

1:14:32 ↗ the people I have known my whole life

1:14:35 ↗ and how they stand wherever they are

1:14:38 ↗ located in this wonderful family and

1:14:42 ↗ that's that's an important to smoke

1:14:46 ↗ that's my two cents for right now

1:14:50 ↗ Lincoln it looks like Air France

1:14:53 ↗ yeah I think that long-standing

1:14:56 ↗ commitments also adds weight

1:14:59 ↗ to the decisions that are made and the

1:15:01 ↗ priorities that are set

1:15:03 ↗ because if we don't value long-standing

1:15:05 ↗ commitments then in some some way at

1:15:08 ↗ least

1:15:09 ↗ saying this is a priority saying we've

1:15:11 ↗ evaluated it four something years down

1:15:14 ↗ the road and then just changing and it

1:15:17 ↗ just sort of becomes a meaningless

1:15:19 ↗ process to especially the that you get

1:15:22 ↗ less and less meaning the further out

1:15:23 ↗ you're looking and it's like okay well

1:15:25 ↗ let's just look at the two years

1:15:26 ↗ spending and ignore the next six because

1:15:28 ↗ we're not valuing long extended

1:15:30 ↗ commitments

1:15:32 ↗ I mean I hear your point Julian and I

1:15:34 ↗ certainly knew about we should

1:15:35 ↗ reevaluate I agree about reevaluating

1:15:39 ↗ I think that reevaluating and

1:15:42 ↗ valuing long-standing commitments can

1:15:45 ↗ live together

1:15:50 ↗ yeah well it's like what Dave was saying

1:15:54 ↗ maybe think about where if there is so

1:15:55 ↗ much yellow on this and we there

1:15:58 ↗ they're we're not weighing these

1:16:00 ↗ categories I feel like in that like

1:16:03 ↗ neutral space like it's just kind of

1:16:05 ↗ almost a natural desire you're still

1:16:07 ↗ trying to like living things anyways and

1:16:08 ↗ like I think that's the same we're all

1:16:10 ↗ talking about and where that lovely

1:16:12 ↗ commitment comes into play and I also

1:16:13 ↗ feel like I should amend my previous

1:16:16 ↗ point about you know when asking about

1:16:18 ↗ volunteer commitment where uh

1:16:20 ↗ just because something has that like was

1:16:24 ↗ initially put on a cap 20 years ago

1:16:26 ↗ let's say this performance situation

1:16:28 ↗ like having an asterisk so it doesn't

1:16:30 ↗ necessarily mean like oh and therefore

1:16:32 ↗ we should do it since it's been it just

1:16:34 ↗ like like I guess I guess it gives it an

1:16:37 ↗ opportunity to like be Revisited and

1:16:39 ↗ yeah I strike that

1:16:41 ↗ future plan or something like that I

1:16:43 ↗ guess

1:16:44 ↗ I don't know I guess now I see blood

1:16:47 ↗ counts a little bit because I'm squishy

1:16:50 ↗ so but I mean I picked like

1:16:53 ↗ long-standing oh god oh keep going

1:16:56 ↗ that's fine oh

1:16:59 ↗ I guess the long-standing commitments

1:17:02 ↗ um issue is like a lot of the projects

1:17:04 ↗ that have been promised are some of the

1:17:07 ↗ larger

1:17:08 ↗ like larger projects take up more CIP

1:17:11 ↗ obviously

1:17:13 ↗ um

1:17:14 ↗ and I think because of that it does

1:17:18 ↗ foreign

1:17:35 ↗ um

1:17:36 ↗ and several other projects and so I

1:17:39 ↗ think that the evaluation is very

1:17:42 ↗ important larger

1:17:43 ↗ projects because of the larger budgets

1:17:47 ↗ that come with actually

1:17:48 ↗ sure what we're here

1:17:51 ↗ I I was just going on a different Bend

1:17:56 ↗ um I I realized that our resources are

1:17:59 ↗ very limited

1:18:01 ↗ here at in the city and no one would

1:18:05 ↗ wish to be able to do all of these

1:18:07 ↗ infrastructure projects but we don't

1:18:09 ↗ really have the beverage to do it so the

1:18:13 ↗ way I'm seeing it is the way the staff

1:18:16 ↗ put together this priority was really a

1:18:19 ↗ good first

1:18:21 ↗ death and the fact that you know

1:18:23 ↗ anything that's green because I'm a

1:18:26 ↗ safety person anything that's green

1:18:28 ↗ under life safety and legal and they

1:18:32 ↗ probably comes up as a higher priority

1:18:35 ↗ overall and and then my perspective I'm

1:18:40 ↗ thinking those are the projects that are

1:18:43 ↗ going to be chosen more likely and you

1:18:47 ↗ know there's all these I wish you know

1:18:50 ↗ we could fix with this stuff's managed

1:18:54 ↗ Road or something you know the the

1:18:56 ↗ residence you know the code on I-90

1:19:01 ↗ would really want that road

1:19:03 ↗ but and there's all these other issues

1:19:06 ↗ that and IFR are safety issues and

1:19:09 ↗ maintenance issues and you know the city

1:19:13 ↗ should be taking care of those first

1:19:15 ↗ and

1:19:16 ↗ because if you don't take care of those

1:19:18 ↗ then um you'll have problems later but

1:19:21 ↗ it would be great if you know the city

1:19:24 ↗ would get tons and tons of dollars so we

1:19:28 ↗ could get more but the problem is

1:19:30 ↗ they're really isn't the dollar so their

1:19:33 ↗ little lives

1:19:34 ↗ 30 years ago

1:19:36 ↗ either so we're just kind of stuck

1:19:39 ↗ choosing

1:19:41 ↗ um you know we're probably going to end

1:19:43 ↗ up focusing on you know the life safety

1:19:46 ↗ and the legal mandate and maintaining

1:19:49 ↗ what we already have

1:19:51 ↗ and that happens all across the state

1:19:53 ↗ it's not necessary

1:19:56 ↗ so that's Michael

1:20:00 ↗ um thank you very very true and I think

1:20:03 ↗ in a lot of ways cities playing playing

1:20:06 ↗ catch up for decades right but for new

1:20:11 ↗ team more sophisticated you know the

1:20:14 ↗ staff I see them constantly going after

1:20:16 ↗ grant funding and being successful I

1:20:19 ↗ mean that wasn't done as much you know

1:20:21 ↗ many years ago where the opportunities

1:20:24 ↗ yeah and so I think that there's a lot

1:20:27 ↗ more resources now and then looking at

1:20:29 ↗ the transportation benefit District you

1:20:32 ↗ know I think the the planning is really

1:20:35 ↗ thoughtful and I also know it's really

1:20:38 ↗ important to have those projects on this

1:20:39 ↗ VIP in case there is an opportunity that

1:20:42 ↗ comes if it's not it'll never happen and

1:20:45 ↗ so I guess those long-standing projects

1:20:49 ↗ might be the dollar amounts but there

1:20:51 ↗ might be you know like a federal

1:20:52 ↗ infrastructure package that comes down

1:20:54 ↗ that fund

1:20:56 ↗ doesn't mean it's less important

1:20:59 ↗ especiate like observing The Province at

1:21:01 ↗ this point signal I mean that was that

1:21:04 ↗ was challenging because for years and

1:21:07 ↗ years people waited and then they needed

1:21:10 ↗ to stand up and say this is a real

1:21:12 ↗ safety issue for us and unfortunately

1:21:15 ↗ the project was able to get done but

1:21:19 ↗ it's um so I I appreciate seeing where

1:21:22 ↗ this VIP is and this thoughtful process

1:21:25 ↗ and

1:21:26 ↗ trying to navigate all those

1:21:31 ↗ I also appreciate this is just the start

1:21:33 ↗ it's the first it's the first time

1:21:36 ↗ the city's doing this I need a little

1:21:38 ↗ ball

1:21:42 ↗ that was gonna ask is there a way to be

1:21:45 ↗ mentioned that this is an art Another

1:21:47 ↗ Science is there a way are there best

1:21:51 ↗ practices either within like your Fields

1:21:53 ↗ like if you're interested planning Etc

1:21:55 ↗ or or other cities doing like things

1:21:58 ↗ that eliminate this squish I don't know

1:22:01 ↗ how to describe

1:22:03 ↗ a little bit into a science or are weak

1:22:06 ↗ ones that are supposed to be helping to

1:22:07 ↗ like further refinance wish or what yeah

1:22:10 ↗ yeah well I'm I'm open we are very open

1:22:14 ↗ to suggestions on how to apply the

1:22:17 ↗ criteria differently we when we started

1:22:19 ↗ this process we looked at other cities

1:22:21 ↗ what criteria are they using how are you

1:22:24 ↗ using them so we looked at our peer

1:22:26 ↗ cities and

1:22:28 ↗ um

1:22:29 ↗ we found that there isn't a lot of

1:22:33 ↗ science to this process it's it is it is

1:22:37 ↗ more of an art because

1:22:40 ↗ um there are so many the projects differ

1:22:43 ↗ there's so many different circumstances

1:22:45 ↗ uh to take into account one of the

1:22:48 ↗ things that

1:22:50 ↗ um that you know depending on the city

1:22:52 ↗ they can try to spread the peanut butter

1:22:54 ↗ out evenly among the lesson categories

1:22:56 ↗ some cities try to focus on their

1:22:59 ↗ transportation projects which is what

1:23:01 ↗ we're doing in this vanity

1:23:03 ↗ um because we perceive Community

1:23:05 ↗ feedback so that's what we should do and

1:23:07 ↗ so

1:23:08 ↗ um every city is a little different in

1:23:10 ↗ terms of what the priorities are every

1:23:12 ↗ project is a little different that

1:23:14 ↗ somewhat defies the math and the science

1:23:16 ↗ aspect of it so I we haven't seen any

1:23:19 ↗ city that

1:23:21 ↗ um does it in a more uh scientific way

1:23:24 ↗ to reduce the art or the squishiness

1:23:27 ↗ behind the process

1:23:29 ↗ I don't think it needs exact site

1:23:33 ↗ because it is CIP there's no money

1:23:36 ↗ amounts attached I mean

1:23:39 ↗ real money amounts attached to the

1:23:40 ↗ existing budget

1:23:42 ↗ has done so

1:23:44 ↗ and that's at that points the council

1:23:46 ↗ decision

1:23:49 ↗ so were you finished yeah I have a

1:23:53 ↗ couple things I want to say um I did

1:23:54 ↗ make a note earlier and I discussed is

1:23:56 ↗ that I I asked to want to make it home

1:23:58 ↗ and I was really happy to see the um its

1:24:00 ↗ projects in there that was something

1:24:01 ↗ that was new this year we spent a lot of

1:24:03 ↗ time

1:24:04 ↗ um so I was really happy to see those in

1:24:06 ↗ there

1:24:07 ↗ um I think that this process is

1:24:12 ↗ um

1:24:13 ↗ I I think as far as like um

1:24:16 ↗ where we want to go from here what kind

1:24:18 ↗ of feedback I think what you're hearing

1:24:19 ↗ is you're not hearing anything and you

1:24:22 ↗ guys chime in if we just haven't gotten

1:24:24 ↗ that point but not hearing a lot of um

1:24:26 ↗ that a lot has been missed or that

1:24:28 ↗ there's a lot of

1:24:29 ↗ I'm not hearing anybody like oh I mean

1:24:32 ↗ there was you brought up a good point

1:24:33 ↗ and I hope that you felt like that was

1:24:35 ↗ kind of addressed it was

1:24:41 ↗ um but I I don't feel like collectively

1:24:43 ↗ we have any and I'm not feeling any for

1:24:46 ↗ a letter I think that to me the feedback

1:24:48 ↗ here is this is all pretty complex seems

1:24:50 ↗ like you've done a pretty good job we're

1:24:52 ↗ all still learning

1:24:53 ↗ um I don't think we have any you know

1:24:55 ↗ you really missed this or that or or

1:24:57 ↗ wish you included this

1:24:59 ↗ um

1:25:00 ↗ I think that the only thing I can think

1:25:03 ↗ of that might be useful in the future

1:25:05 ↗ and we have lots of time to think about

1:25:07 ↗ this is I almost wonder if it might have

1:25:10 ↗ been more you're kind of looking for

1:25:14 ↗ where are the differences like is there

1:25:15 ↗ any really meaningful difference in what

1:25:18 ↗ you came up with what he might have come

1:25:20 ↗ up with and maybe if there's some way to

1:25:22 ↗ dumb it down and do an exercise where we

1:25:25 ↗ get to like actually do that scoring as

1:25:28 ↗ an as a thought exercise because it

1:25:31 ↗ might just expose

1:25:33 ↗ something that we just haven't quite

1:25:35 ↗ there's just not we just haven't gotten

1:25:37 ↗ to that level but if we have the

1:25:39 ↗ opportunity and I that might frighten

1:25:42 ↗ the administration because you guys are

1:25:43 ↗ the experts and then and you know the

1:25:46 ↗ the professionals and we certainly

1:25:47 ↗ respect your professionalism but somehow

1:25:50 ↗ what I'm getting at is what we're

1:25:52 ↗ looking for is that next level where we

1:25:55 ↗ have enough familiarity that we can kind

1:25:57 ↗ of start

1:25:58 ↗ disagreeing and I don't think when we're

1:26:00 ↗ to that level where we even have enough

1:26:02 ↗ understanding or like we just haven't

1:26:04 ↗ thought about it long enough to come up

1:26:05 ↗ with

1:26:06 ↗ I don't know he correct me if I'm wrong

1:26:09 ↗ yeah I mean I guess I would be a little

1:26:10 ↗ bit concerned about even doing a box

1:26:12 ↗ wearing exercise we have a tendency to

1:26:15 ↗ dive into

1:26:17 ↗ just the littlest thing and turned it

1:26:19 ↗ into like a power one conversation

1:26:21 ↗ unless we want to do like a like a

1:26:25 ↗ multi-day meeting there I just see no

1:26:27 ↗ chance of us not starting to debate

1:26:30 ↗ right is this yellow or green and I

1:26:33 ↗ think the point I was hearing from the

1:26:36 ↗ city was

1:26:38 ↗ there is an element of this is a art and

1:26:42 ↗ so we maybe should actually try and not

1:26:46 ↗ focus too much on the specific scoring

1:26:49 ↗ but look more at the result of the

1:26:52 ↗ scoring right

1:26:54 ↗ I I think it might be

1:26:57 ↗ good to make you do it like for larger

1:27:00 ↗ projects because what I was talking

1:27:02 ↗ about was like the first the largest the

1:27:05 ↗ most expensive project in the package

1:27:08 ↗ and so I think it would be useful we

1:27:10 ↗ don't deliver all of them obviously but

1:27:13 ↗ like the three large projects are

1:27:16 ↗ have the package but without knowing the

1:27:21 ↗ whole thought process and discussion for

1:27:23 ↗ the other ones we don't have a basis of

1:27:25 ↗ reference to actually make that decision

1:27:27 ↗ whether that should be yellow or green

1:27:29 ↗ I think um we're not going to solve it

1:27:31 ↗ right now but what I do think is that

1:27:33 ↗ what you're hearing is I do not disagree

1:27:35 ↗ with you and I think that's what makes

1:27:36 ↗ this sort of fun is when you get in

1:27:38 ↗ pretty deep in but I I think what I'm

1:27:40 ↗ saying is I would like to find some way

1:27:42 ↗ to facilitate the next level of just

1:27:46 ↗ really us really um

1:27:49 ↗ getting

1:27:51 ↗ um

1:27:52 ↗ so familiar not to debate every Nuance

1:27:57 ↗ but that we can come up with I feel like

1:27:59 ↗ maybe

1:28:00 ↗ more meaningful like I

1:28:04 ↗ I mean it's just there's a lot at stake

1:28:08 ↗ here and it's hard I mean you guys

1:28:11 ↗ struggle with it and you know we're it's

1:28:13 ↗ important to Toronto to the community I

1:28:16 ↗ do also think looking at the the list

1:28:19 ↗ and seeing like how does that shake out

1:28:20 ↗ with what you might have thought that's

1:28:22 ↗ a good indicator whether your process

1:28:23 ↗ was good it's like these projects look

1:28:25 ↗ right I was just merely suggesting that

1:28:28 ↗ um if there's some way to facilitate

1:28:29 ↗ some like kind of a deeper level of just

1:28:32 ↗ wrestling with the hard things and

1:28:33 ↗ really identifying what they are

1:28:35 ↗ um and it looks like Jeremy I just had a

1:28:39 ↗ bit of an idea you know maybe since the

1:28:42 ↗ project

1:28:44 ↗ evaluate the uh the scoring for their

1:28:48 ↗ projects so there's a project manager

1:28:50 ↗ assigned to each project right and they

1:28:53 ↗ they come up with a scoring so maybe if

1:28:56 ↗ you know we got an explanation from one

1:28:59 ↗ of the project managers how they chose

1:29:02 ↗ some of the scores and maybe the scoring

1:29:05 ↗ of the bigger projects that you were

1:29:07 ↗ talking about doing them I think that

1:29:10 ↗ can either get really weighted dim

1:29:11 ↗ really quickly and I want to go back to

1:29:12 ↗ Dave but I just want to say again we're

1:29:14 ↗ not going to solve it now I'm just

1:29:15 ↗ trying to think about how to facilitate

1:29:17 ↗ something a more meaningful Community

1:29:19 ↗ feedback and one thing that might be

1:29:21 ↗ helpful is if you guys actually found

1:29:24 ↗ your disagreement points and you said

1:29:26 ↗ all right you know we were pretty on

1:29:28 ↗ this on the same page about these 17

1:29:30 ↗ projects or this 17 scoring but we

1:29:32 ↗ really wrestled with these and we think

1:29:35 ↗ maybe that's a great place to bring

1:29:37 ↗ Community feedback like what do you guys

1:29:39 ↗ think these were assumptions these were

1:29:41 ↗ you know these smart people disagreed

1:29:43 ↗ like maybe that is some something we

1:29:45 ↗ could go deeper on I don't know

1:29:46 ↗ um I just I am struggling because this

1:29:49 ↗ is so important and

1:29:51 ↗ um

1:29:53 ↗ you know I guess you just you worry that

1:29:56 ↗ if you didn't really get

1:29:58 ↗ um miss something thing that goes to the

1:30:00 ↗ next you know I know there's

1:30:02 ↗ many parts to that trapezoid that are

1:30:05 ↗ below us here but um I'm just

1:30:08 ↗ yeah anyway Dave you had something you

1:30:10 ↗ wanted to say okay so I want to answer

1:30:13 ↗ at 7 33. so I want to answer one of

1:30:15 ↗ those questions look at that one a out

1:30:18 ↗ there were there any surprises for what

1:30:21 ↗ is in your particular plan there was

1:30:24 ↗ there was a huge suponist it was called

1:30:27 ↗ a pandemic

1:30:29 ↗ the traffic in Issaquah for over two

1:30:32 ↗ years we would pull on on uh 3.0 no just

1:30:40 ↗ go down to Front Street and you go oh

1:30:42 ↗ God I can make an immediate left turn

1:30:45 ↗ and I couldn't do that at any other time

1:30:48 ↗ it's totally effective to traffic it

1:30:51 ↗ affected commercial transportation

1:30:54 ↗ we launched a lot of bus drivers a lot

1:30:58 ↗ of routes went away that was huge

1:31:01 ↗ is it possible that that could happen

1:31:04 ↗ again

1:31:05 ↗ 1918 it happened right wasn't as

1:31:08 ↗ significant as it was to us this time I

1:31:11 ↗ think that's one thing we could capture

1:31:13 ↗ right now the pandemic had a significant

1:31:16 ↗ impact on how

1:31:18 ↗ things changed and we were trying to

1:31:21 ↗ apply criteria that wasn't set for a

1:31:26 ↗ pandemic that was set for reality

1:31:29 ↗ hence there's got to be a way to look at

1:31:32 ↗ it if we ever have a pandemic again

1:31:36 ↗ by forbid we never have a panic again

1:31:39 ↗ but if we do it's a good change

1:31:43 ↗ probably the problem in your life

1:31:46 ↗ [Music]

1:31:47 ↗ the education will miss the Titleist but

1:31:50 ↗ park and ride was full to capacity every

1:31:53 ↗ day

1:31:54 ↗ as three months into the pandemic you

1:31:57 ↗ could park on the first second third for

1:32:00 ↗ sure fourth floor

1:32:02 ↗ all day you could purchase earlier for a

1:32:05 ↗ week

1:32:07 ↗ that's a huge answer to that question

1:32:09 ↗ we're served and Mr President yes

1:32:12 ↗ depending we're a criteria of applying

1:32:16 ↗ correctly I think so

1:32:18 ↗ maybe not so much during that time frame

1:32:22 ↗ as we dealt along because we just really

1:32:26 ↗ gotten out of the pandemic to come back

1:32:28 ↗ to

1:32:29 ↗ reality right

1:32:33 ↗ in pandemic was a huge thing again we

1:32:37 ↗ have to plan for the future and I'm very

1:32:42 ↗ much like to go forward on the 7 30.

1:32:47 ↗ okay

1:32:48 ↗ um and answer your question mark B

1:32:52 ↗ where are the criteria applying

1:32:54 ↗ correctly or did we miss something big

1:32:56 ↗ the one thing big I think you missed

1:32:59 ↗ once

1:33:01 ↗ we didn't know the parameters along what

1:33:03 ↗ the pandemic was going to do to us and

1:33:05 ↗ it made

1:33:07 ↗ a major change

1:33:09 ↗ and now life is getting back to somewhat

1:33:13 ↗ normal which means those priorities that

1:33:16 ↗ are driving those projects and programs

1:33:19 ↗ are just as important

1:33:21 ↗ as they were

1:33:23 ↗ but we took a vacation for three years

1:33:26 ↗ and didn't have the word I probably

1:33:29 ↗ didn't miss a lot

1:33:40 ↗ especially when we talk about facilities

1:33:42 ↗ but also let me talk about

1:33:43 ↗ Transportation pandemic is that now a

1:33:46 ↗ semi-permanent effect on people's travel

1:33:49 ↗ behaviors shopping behaviors and also

1:33:52 ↗ commuting patterns so I can actually

1:33:54 ↗ have to be determined but that's had an

1:33:56 ↗ impact on some of what we're and we're

1:33:57 ↗ thinking about it and the people working

1:33:59 ↗ they're all working and changed and it

1:34:04 ↗ changed everything just in

1:34:08 ↗ and uh

1:34:10 ↗ that was a huge surprise

1:34:13 ↗ as we sit here I'm Michelle but we sit

1:34:16 ↗ in the clock and tell me about that

1:34:18 ↗ apartment okay

1:34:21 ↗ um I would like to

1:34:24 ↗ in

1:34:26 ↗ um I don't know what kind of feedback

1:34:27 ↗ You're Expecting I don't know if you've

1:34:28 ↗ got uh answers to the questions that you

1:34:31 ↗ were seeking it certainly didn't blow up

1:34:34 ↗ here your CIP in your criteria oh so

1:34:38 ↗ that's that's good yeah so so let me

1:34:42 ↗ just summarize so I can make sure that I

1:34:46 ↗ um and passing on the right comments to

1:34:48 ↗ city council so if I say something that

1:34:51 ↗ you feel is not reflective of the group

1:34:53 ↗ uh or that I shouldn't be passing on the

1:34:55 ↗ city council let me know

1:34:58 ↗ um I heard one request to change uh Sr

1:35:02 ↗ 954th uh project for environmental

1:35:05 ↗ impact to uh yellow instead of green not

1:35:11 ↗ the maple the sunset maple the sunset

1:35:13 ↗ okay thank you

1:35:15 ↗ oh hold on I'm going to stop you there

1:35:17 ↗ real quick um are we feeling like that's

1:35:20 ↗ a one person on the border we all kind

1:35:22 ↗ of nodding I'm not signing to that okay

1:35:25 ↗ so it's a it's a minority voice sorry

1:35:28 ↗ you may have your right everywhere so I

1:35:31 ↗ just wanted to make sure that

1:35:32 ↗ I think that context is important strong

1:35:36 ↗ okay great

1:35:39 ↗ um and I'm kind of neutral it's he's not

1:35:41 ↗ alone but I'm yeah okay

1:35:44 ↗ um what I heard from this group was a

1:35:46 ↗ lot of conversation on the long-standing

1:35:48 ↗ commitment criteria and how important

1:35:50 ↗ that is

1:35:51 ↗ um and I heard I heard some differences

1:35:53 ↗ but I think I convey them all I can

1:35:56 ↗ convey the multitask counsel which is

1:35:57 ↗ that it's really important to uphold

1:35:59 ↗ long-standing commitments

1:36:01 ↗ um uh I also heard that these should be

1:36:05 ↗ priorities

1:36:06 ↗ um I also heard uh I heard that this

1:36:09 ↗ criteria should be taken into

1:36:10 ↗ consideration you know with an

1:36:12 ↗ appropriate weight but it's important

1:36:15 ↗ um and that uh also the council should

1:36:19 ↗ decide and then transparent open manner

1:36:23 ↗ um what continue to be long-standing

1:36:25 ↗ commitments based on today's goals and

1:36:28 ↗ values

1:36:29 ↗ is that reflected in the whole group

1:36:33 ↗ okay great for me great

1:36:37 ↗ um I Heard General support for the

1:36:40 ↗ method we've gone through so far

1:36:43 ↗ um and the conversation process

1:36:46 ↗ um

1:36:52 ↗ [Music]

1:36:56 ↗ like all the boards like that first

1:36:59 ↗ February meeting like I would have loved

1:37:01 ↗ to participate in that I just wasn't in

1:37:03 ↗ town when that happened because I did

1:37:05 ↗ not really like set the tone and pace

1:37:07 ↗ for like this whole process and so even

1:37:09 ↗ especially from like a community

1:37:11 ↗ standpoint that's going on like live on

1:37:14 ↗ ITV

1:37:15 ↗ no no five folks I've been in but I was

1:37:19 ↗ I don't know if you said something about

1:37:21 ↗ like making it more open too and it was

1:37:24 ↗ another thing

1:37:25 ↗ I suppose I can't believe that person

1:37:27 ↗ okay

1:37:32 ↗ okay great

1:37:36 ↗ um

1:37:37 ↗ and then uh I heard safety issues and

1:37:42 ↗ maintenance are also important criteria

1:37:45 ↗ that should be paid attention to

1:37:47 ↗ other disagreements to that

1:37:49 ↗ okay

1:37:52 ↗ um

1:37:53 ↗ and that

1:37:55 ↗ [Music]

1:37:55 ↗ um

1:37:58 ↗ this is really complex I heard for the

1:38:01 ↗ future ways that we could improve uh

1:38:04 ↗ would be to consider trying to have uh

1:38:07 ↗ maybe some sort of activity with the

1:38:10 ↗ boards that people can kind of wrap

1:38:11 ↗ their

1:38:13 ↗ um mine surround up a little bit more so

1:38:15 ↗ maybe that is a thought activity

1:38:18 ↗ um to grade projects yourselves

1:38:21 ↗ um or to just you know sample projects

1:38:23 ↗ or something around that or maybe if

1:38:26 ↗ there's areas of disagreements and how

1:38:28 ↗ projects are graded against the criteria

1:38:30 ↗ that they can help or solve that it's

1:38:32 ↗ just for future consideration

1:38:34 ↗ um for the next time we do this process

1:38:37 ↗ and that'll be in two years correct yeah

1:38:40 ↗ right

1:38:49 ↗ something hit me big and strong when I

1:38:52 ↗ was in that poor board meeting Cynthia

1:38:55 ↗ knows it

1:38:56 ↗ I realized

1:38:58 ↗ that there is no

1:39:01 ↗ long-range dollars to put in the

1:39:03 ↗ centralism plan for

1:39:06 ↗ future Cemetery

1:39:09 ↗ did we forget something huge we did and

1:39:14 ↗ I've been screaming about it ever since

1:39:17 ↗ I think it's going to get listened to

1:39:20 ↗ all because that portable Center

1:39:23 ↗ reported only five members didn't get

1:39:25 ↗ included in

1:39:28 ↗ these cross-section origin

1:39:31 ↗ don't leave their problem

1:39:33 ↗ so they have an important function

1:39:35 ↗ people are dying to get into

1:39:39 ↗ kind of experience

1:39:47 ↗ so

1:39:48 ↗ the boards may carry more

1:39:51 ↗ more warts but they're all part of the

1:39:53 ↗ city don't leave them alone

1:39:59 ↗ something

1:40:00 ↗ just talking to yourself okay okay so

1:40:03 ↗ that's those are those are my notes of

1:40:05 ↗ what to include to council does that

1:40:07 ↗ sound does that reflect the voice of the

1:40:09 ↗ group did I miss anything

1:40:12 ↗ okay great I'll be happy to convey that

1:40:15 ↗ to council uh the next meeting regarding

1:40:17 ↗ Transportation projects is the mobility

1:40:19 ↗ and infrastructure meeting

1:40:21 ↗ um which uh memory suits me is on May

1:40:23 ↗ 9th and um we'll go from there thank you

1:40:28 ↗ all very much appreciate the

1:40:29 ↗ conversation I know this is complicated

1:40:31 ↗ I know how many attachments are in your

1:40:33 ↗ packet I'm trying to sort through all of

1:40:34 ↗ this stuff so I really appreciate your

1:40:36 ↗ questions your attention your focus this

1:40:38 ↗ evening and um all of the feedback thank

1:40:40 ↗ you very much thank you I just did a

1:40:42 ↗ really good job thank you for um all the

1:40:44 ↗ work that you've done and I think these

1:40:46 ↗ um

1:40:47 ↗ yeah there's a lot a lot here and it's

1:40:50 ↗ really um methodical I really appreciate

1:40:52 ↗ the methodical way of calling the

1:40:54 ↗ bubbles

1:40:56 ↗ um so thank you Destiny City

1:40:58 ↗ administrator Snyder I think I'll do

1:41:00 ↗ something else earlier in the meeting

1:41:01 ↗ and um

1:41:03 ↗ Roberts again what your title is your

1:41:05 ↗ International Financial Officer okay

1:41:07 ↗ great thank you

1:41:09 ↗ um thank you for coming I appreciate it

1:41:13 ↗ in a little square yeah

1:41:17 ↗ and uh thanks to Emily too for helping

1:41:19 ↗ answer some of the Project Specific

1:41:21 ↗ questions I appreciate your your help

1:41:23 ↗ this evening and your support

1:41:26 ↗ um so we are just about to wrap up we

1:41:28 ↗ don't have any other major business um

1:41:30 ↗ do you want to talk John about the board

1:41:31 ↗ of plan I got I have several

1:41:34 ↗ announcements so I want to throw up the

1:41:37 ↗ board work plan

1:41:38 ↗ we all see it

1:41:41 ↗ thank you thank you thank you

1:41:45 ↗ so

1:41:48 ↗ um

1:41:55 ↗ how long have you all been staring at

1:41:58 ↗ the cookies

1:42:04 ↗ uh yeah so the next three months look

1:42:07 ↗ like this so next month of May uh Thomas

1:42:12 ↗ is going to come back and give us an

1:42:13 ↗ update on uh Transit study future

1:42:15 ↗ conditions and I will be also

1:42:18 ↗ providing in this first or second hour I

1:42:21 ↗ don't know which which way we're gonna

1:42:23 ↗ go uh the formal Metroflex proposal uh

1:42:28 ↗ for the shuttle

1:42:30 ↗ um no longer calling it shuttle because

1:42:32 ↗ we it actually has a name

1:42:34 ↗ um so I will be presenting on that next

1:42:36 ↗ month

1:42:37 ↗ um

1:42:42 ↗ um yes very excited about it

1:42:44 ↗ um

1:42:45 ↗ and then June uh uh we're gonna do some

1:42:48 ↗ training I'll follow up on that in a

1:42:50 ↗ second and then July uh Thomas is going

1:42:52 ↗ to come back and talk to us about light

1:42:54 ↗ rail plan planning Right Stuff Light

1:42:56 ↗ Rail planning

1:43:00 ↗ like the one that's the um

1:43:03 ↗ yeah gotta start now

1:43:07 ↗ um

1:43:09 ↗ training happening at any point about

1:43:12 ↗ the is that is that the training that

1:43:15 ↗ we're can you repeat the question sorry

1:43:17 ↗ uh Mobility master plan uh

1:43:22 ↗ yes I think we're gonna include that

1:43:25 ↗ relevant documents yeah kind of the

1:43:27 ↗ whole yeah yeah

1:43:32 ↗ as I assume that also includes

1:43:35 ↗ Ma and all that but we'll do yeah

1:43:38 ↗ because that's not a whole meeting story

1:43:40 ↗ yeah thanks for that question because

1:43:42 ↗ I'm also like rap still wrapping my head

1:43:45 ↗ around everything that's going on so I

1:43:47 ↗ appreciate that uh I'm gonna stop

1:43:49 ↗ sharing my notes

1:43:54 ↗ so uh

1:43:57 ↗ I guess moving on to the next that's it

1:43:59 ↗ for the boardwalk plan all right if we

1:44:01 ↗ want to move on

1:44:10 ↗ I guess moving on to staff report I

1:44:12 ↗ don't have any staff report but I have a

1:44:13 ↗ lot of announcements so I'll save it for

1:44:15 ↗ after the share report

1:44:21 ↗ oh I'm sorry I was

1:44:25 ↗ um I actually don't have a chair report

1:44:28 ↗ um this time

1:44:30 ↗ cool

1:44:32 ↗ in that case I would dive into the

1:44:34 ↗ announcements via that we have

1:44:37 ↗ um first of all next month next tab uh I

1:44:41 ↗ think the first agenda item will be our

1:44:42 ↗ chair and vice chair elections

1:44:45 ↗ um

1:44:48 ↗ my notes again

1:44:50 ↗ thank you

1:44:55 ↗ um so chair advice chair roles are for

1:44:57 ↗ election as of next month I wanted to

1:45:00 ↗ just really quickly roll through the uh

1:45:02 ↗ the responsibilities of the chair so

1:45:04 ↗ you're all aware because any one of you

1:45:06 ↗ can run if you so choose for either of

1:45:09 ↗ the positions

1:45:10 ↗ um so just in general the chair's role

1:45:14 ↗ is to preserve order and decorum observe

1:45:17 ↗ and enforce all the rules adopted by the

1:45:19 ↗ commission open the meetings on time and

1:45:21 ↗ call them to order announce them in

1:45:23 ↗ proper sequence the the business on the

1:45:25 ↗ agenda uh recognizing members who are

1:45:28 ↗ entitled to the floor facility

1:45:31 ↗ facilitating public comment at

1:45:32 ↗ appropriate times sitting and putting to

1:45:34 ↗ a vote all motions that arise during the

1:45:36 ↗ meeting halfway there protecting the

1:45:39 ↗ commission from frivolous or delaying

1:45:41 ↗ motions enforcing the rules regarding

1:45:43 ↗ debate and keeping order Expediting

1:45:45 ↗ business in a way that's compatible with

1:45:47 ↗ the rights of the members making a

1:45:49 ↗ ruling on any points of order that are

1:45:51 ↗ raised responding to in inquiries of

1:45:53 ↗ members and directing others to provide

1:45:55 ↗ a response related preliminary uh for

1:45:58 ↗ two parliamentary procedure or certain

1:46:00 ↗ factual information on current business

1:46:02 ↗ before the commission and finally

1:46:04 ↗ declaring the meeting adjourned

1:46:07 ↗ is that everything

1:46:09 ↗ um

1:46:10 ↗ so uh yeah anyone can run for that uh

1:46:14 ↗ and yeah so I'll leave that there

1:46:18 ↗ um yes

1:46:27 ↗ you could probably bring one

1:46:32 ↗ um

1:46:33 ↗ next point of business uh is uh that two

1:46:37 ↗ new members have been appointed to tabs

1:46:39 ↗ of course this is Kristen's last meeting

1:46:41 ↗ with us we have a replacement plus one

1:46:44 ↗ alternate coming board uh next month

1:46:47 ↗ which is very exciting

1:46:49 ↗ um coming back to the training we know

1:46:51 ↗ that you have you all asked for more

1:46:53 ↗ training around board rules processes

1:46:56 ↗ MMP all those things I will be providing

1:47:00 ↗ that in June uh and I'll also be

1:47:02 ↗ specifically providing new member

1:47:04 ↗ training to our two new members so they

1:47:07 ↗ will be up to speed by next month

1:47:11 ↗ yes

1:47:13 ↗ with that new member training be open to

1:47:17 ↗ any of the less we'd like to help

1:47:18 ↗ refresher training who never got new

1:47:21 ↗ member training that will be the purpose

1:47:23 ↗ of the June meeting is to sort of fill

1:47:26 ↗ in those gaps for you so we'll provide

1:47:28 ↗ the the new members the new kind of

1:47:30 ↗ training and then we'll also provide it

1:47:32 ↗ to you all at the gym tap

1:47:37 ↗ good for me yeah

1:47:40 ↗ uh and then uh the final thing that I

1:47:44 ↗ forgot to tell you about uh before the

1:47:47 ↗ board or board meeting was that uh we

1:47:50 ↗ need to look at a different June date on

1:47:52 ↗ Tab meeting uh the council calendar

1:47:56 ↗ recognizes the Islamic Feast of

1:47:57 ↗ sacrifice which is uh that day

1:48:01 ↗ so we'll have to figure out a different

1:48:03 ↗ date we meet uh Tab and let the clerks

1:48:07 ↗ as soon as possible

1:48:12 ↗ Wednesday in the restaurants

1:48:17 ↗ which is I believe the 28th

1:48:21 ↗ um

1:48:21 ↗ one thing that could be again a noob so

1:48:26 ↗ I'm trying to trying to figure this out

1:48:27 ↗ uh the week before that if we wanted to

1:48:29 ↗ meet that week I will be at the 21st the

1:48:31 ↗ 23rd so we can either

1:48:33 ↗ talk about Monday or Tuesday of the

1:48:36 ↗ fourth week or another or sign a

1:48:39 ↗ different liaison yeah exactly

1:48:44 ↗ um question

1:48:51 ↗ um I forget if we can do this but our

1:48:53 ↗ doodle polls allowed

1:49:07 ↗ yes I will say it's obviously the goal

1:49:10 ↗ is to maximize the tenant yes I'm a big

1:49:12 ↗ fan of beautiful yeah

1:49:15 ↗ uh and that's all for for me yeah

1:49:18 ↗ great thank you um we don't have a deuce

1:49:21 ↗ and unfortunately we still don't have a

1:49:22 ↗ youth

1:49:23 ↗ um because we didn't get a youth

1:49:25 ↗ applicant

1:49:28 ↗ so I think that I I think they try to do

1:49:32 ↗ these disciples because otherwise the

1:49:34 ↗ administration will be spending so much

1:49:35 ↗ time dealing with this but I have a

1:49:38 ↗ feeling this is purely my guess if we

1:49:41 ↗ identified and interested in youth we

1:49:43 ↗ could probably convince them to make an

1:49:46 ↗ exemption

1:49:48 ↗ I mean you know we just you know we

1:49:52 ↗ couldn't uh we didn't weren't successful

1:49:53 ↗ at recruiting youth so you know of

1:49:55 ↗ someone in um

1:49:57 ↗ the don't bring any promises because

1:49:59 ↗ they're not supposed to be

1:50:01 ↗ um a pointed out of order just because

1:50:03 ↗ it makes their life easier well I

1:50:04 ↗ understand but I don't think there's any

1:50:05 ↗ statutory reason that it can't be done

1:50:08 ↗ so that'd be great to have you and so we

1:50:11 ↗ had to turn we had one extra person but

1:50:13 ↗ the code is really clear that it has to

1:50:15 ↗ be youth position so we have to leave it

1:50:16 ↗ vacancies did they say the age though

1:50:23 ↗ thank you

1:50:25 ↗ is there anything I'm kind of just

1:50:27 ↗ kidding

1:50:28 ↗ it does not really even if

1:50:31 ↗ there would be the intention

1:50:36 ↗ uh okay so anyway uh I think we're ready

1:50:39 ↗ to do we have any other business or

1:50:40 ↗ announcements

1:50:42 ↗ uh well I will I have no question all

1:50:46 ↗ right let's go doing a thing where we

1:50:48 ↗ have someone come here show up to the

1:50:53 ↗ who's gonna ask that

1:50:56 ↗ um and then I kind of forgot but are you

1:50:58 ↗ interested

1:51:00 ↗ I don't actually know if I'm the best

1:51:02 ↗ person for this one since I wasn't here

1:51:03 ↗ for the past two and this is like a baby

1:51:05 ↗ even move it but I feel like I should be

1:51:08 ↗ cool if I don't wait again since I am

1:51:09 ↗ here in person now but maybe maybe

1:51:14 ↗ oh okay I think it's a great idea she

1:51:17 ↗ you know what she's talking about um

1:51:18 ↗ yeah I think that'd be great um one time

1:51:22 ↗ last fall I ended up I as soon as yeah I

1:51:26 ↗ have a commitment on that second Tuesday

1:51:28 ↗ of the month and so I can't picture it

1:51:31 ↗ um but I think it's a great opportunity

1:51:33 ↗ for other people to do it so

1:51:34 ↗ um can you help me remember that she

1:51:36 ↗ sponsored an even jump okay I don't know

1:51:39 ↗ if there'll be a matter in front of them

1:51:40 ↗ that's relevant and I think maybe

1:51:43 ↗ um

1:51:43 ↗ when she left here like that she did a

1:51:46 ↗ good job capturing the measurement

1:51:48 ↗ Andrea did a good job capturing our

1:51:51 ↗ feedback and I didn't feel that there

1:51:53 ↗ was going to be a lot of insight that we

1:51:55 ↗ could provide if we were there but I

1:51:56 ↗ would say if anybody wants to attend

1:51:58 ↗ that meeting I think uh when they bring

1:52:00 ↗ into it on May 9th and they bring this

1:52:01 ↗ to him and I I just didn't feel like

1:52:04 ↗ we didn't have a lot of controversy

1:52:06 ↗ because they're going to want a deeper

1:52:08 ↗ understanding of so I stopped short of

1:52:10 ↗ calling for someone for that but if

1:52:12 ↗ anybody wants to go I think they should

1:52:14 ↗ I think yeah June is going to be me I

1:52:16 ↗ think among other topics but okay

1:52:20 ↗ that was under other business and

1:52:22 ↗ care

1:52:24 ↗ yeah I had the trivia question oh okay

1:52:33 ↗ [Music]

1:52:36 ↗ not yet 18. oh seriousness

1:52:44 ↗ the thought process

1:52:46 ↗ few different things from the hours of

1:52:49 ↗ the meetings on the time of day also

1:52:52 ↗ getting someone that might have a little

1:52:55 ↗ bit more experience with different modes

1:52:56 ↗ of travel

1:52:58 ↗ so it will not get graduated

1:53:02 ↗ um it's great to have high school kids

1:53:04 ↗ and we had a whole bunch of them when we

1:53:05 ↗ first before we leave the town

1:53:07 ↗ um when the council first born The

1:53:09 ↗ Tavern tab was new we had a bunch of

1:53:11 ↗ them

1:53:11 ↗ um yeah is that for lack of letting the

1:53:15 ↗ high schools know about it I mean

1:53:19 ↗ establish a outreach program let's talk

1:53:21 ↗ about that

1:53:22 ↗ um is it is it appropriate for us to

1:53:24 ↗ talk about that offline and our next

1:53:26 ↗ chair or vice chair

1:53:27 ↗ um

1:53:29 ↗ yeah I think that

1:53:32 ↗ that's what I'm saying that's yeah

1:53:36 ↗ yeah I think that's the correct I mean

1:53:37 ↗ anyone's welcome but yeah I agree with

1:53:40 ↗ you

1:53:43 ↗ um

1:53:44 ↗ but I never want to exclude a new one

1:53:46 ↗ but yeah I think most people feel like

1:53:48 ↗ he does so I'm assuming people can't

1:53:50 ↗ okay I think with that we're adjourned

1:53:54 ↗ all right thanks thank you okay good

1:53:57 ↗ discussion everyone

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