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Thursday, October 14, 2021

6:30 PM
Topics tracked across meetings:
Comprehensive Plan Amendments AB 9202 14/20
2021 Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Map Amendments AB 8191 3/5
Section
Topic
1. CALL TO ORDER
1a
Commission Membership
packet pp.5
Staff report:
PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION Staff Liaison Christen Leeson, Senior About Planner Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Email policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides guidance and direction for Issaquah's future Regular Members growth through continued review and 2022 – Joy Lewis improvement to the City's Comprehensive Land 2022 – Matt Monahan Use Plan and related land use documents. 2022 – Jason Voiss 2022 – Vacant Membership 2023 – Nina Milligan The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2024 – Ron Faul seven regular members, with four-year terms; 2024 – Sara Bader and several alternates, with two-year terms. All members are appointed by the Mayor and Alternate Members subject to confirmation by the City Council. 2022 - Richard Zaragoza Terms expire April 30 of the year listed. For 2023 - Vacant more information, see IMC 18.03 and Rules & Regulations. Meetings Unless…
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2a
Minutes of September 23, 2021
packet pp.7–10
Staff report:
APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 09-23-21 Planning Policy Commission Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Planning Policy Commission 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting September 23, 2021 MINUTES
3. PUBLIC COMMENTS
3a
Recommendation on Proposed Amendments to Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Map, (A) The Planning Policy Commission will hold a public hearing, take public comment, and make a recommendation on the proposed Amendments. The proposed annual Issaquah Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Map amendments include the redesignation and rezone of nine parcels, all acquired by the City of Issaquah. The parcels are: change from “Low Density Residential” to “Community Facilities” and zoning change from “Single Family – Small Lot” to “Community Facilities-Recreation”); change from “Multifamily Residential” to “Community Facilities” and zoning change from “Village Residential” to change from “Multifamily Residential” to “Community Facilities” and zoning change from “Village Residential” to and 2924069004 (request land use change from “Low Density Residential” to “Community Facilities” and zoning change from “Single Family-Suburban” to “Community Facilities-Open Space”); and 2924069013 (request land use change from “Low Density Residential” to “Community Facilities” and zoning change from Single Family – Estates” to “Community Facilities-Open Space”). Other proposed amendments include: annual update to the City’s population, housing and jobs data based on updated information from the state; updated Climate Action goals and policies; and Issaquah’s Remaining Land Supply and Capacity Chart; Program and Implementation Status Chart; and
Christen Leeson, Senior Planner · packet pp.11–80
Topics: HousingLand UseClimateParks
Staff report:
The purpose of the October 14th meeting is to present, receive public testimony, and deliberate on the proposed 2021 Comprehensive Plan amendments. If after deliberation, if the Planning Policy Commission is comfortable doing so, they will make a
5. REPORTS
5a
Council Update
Christen Leeson, Senior Planner
6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS
6a
Upcoming Schedule
packet pp.81–86
Staff report:
Planning Policy Commission 2021-2022 Schedule (subject to change) 2021 1/14/21 1/28/21 Land Use Code Amendments re: Electric Vehicle  Public Hearing: 2021 Docket of Proposed
0:02 for the october 14th policy and planning
0:05 commission meeting at 6 30
0:08 1 pm
0:09 uh due to the virtual format of today's
0:11 meeting i'd like to start by providing
0:13 some guidelines
0:14 first participants attending by computer
0:17 and others who may be attending by phone
0:20 or all meeting attendees please speak
0:22 clearly and pause frequently
0:24 state your name each time before
0:26 speaking
0:27 mute your microphone when not speaking
0:30 if you have technical issues
0:32 try joining the meeting using a
0:33 different device such as a smartphone or
0:35 tablet or use the call-in information in
0:38 the meeting invite to
0:39 call into the meeting
0:42 an overview for tonight's meeting we'll
0:44 be holding a public hearing and making
0:47 recommendations on the 2021
0:49 comprehensive plan amendments
0:51 and but first we're going to go ahead
0:52 and make attendance so kristin can you
0:54 please call roll
0:56 and
1:07 mike is very quiet
1:09 hello can you hear me i'm here you're
1:12 very quiet very quiet i might unplug
1:15 this and just go back okay thanks
1:18 uh matt monahan
1:20 here
1:21 joy lewis
1:24 here
1:25 jason voice
1:27 here
1:28 richard zaragoza
1:30 here
1:31 and ron fall
1:34 here
1:35 all are present
1:36 excellent very good and next is we're
1:39 going to go ahead and approve the
1:41 meeting minutes from september 23rd 2021
1:45 and are there any corrections to the
1:48 many uh meeting minutes
1:51 okay hearing none meeting minutes are
1:53 approved
1:55 and christian let's go ahead and open
1:57 the meeting up for public comment
2:01 before we start the
2:04 discussion
2:06 go ahead
2:07 do we have anybody
2:09 from the general public who wants to
2:10 speak tonight i have
2:14 someone who signs that wants to speak in
2:16 the public hearing however i'm not sure
2:17 about
2:20 public comments so if there's anyone who
2:21 would like to speak during
2:23 public comment part and not the public
2:25 hearing part would you please either
2:27 raid your hand or star 3.
2:38 i'm not seeing anyone
2:42 okay
2:43 all right uh so i guess we formally
2:45 close public
2:46 comment tonight because this is a
2:48 hearing
2:49 next on the agenda item is the public
2:52 hearing itself and we're going to talk
2:54 about the proposed 2021 comprehensive
2:57 plan and zoning and map amendments
3:00 um kristin
3:02 our senior planner will present the
3:03 proposed 2021 amendments and zoning
3:07 amendments
3:08 and kristin the floor is yours
3:27 what what are you all seeing right now
3:32 we're seeing your presentation but also
3:34 your your full screen that's what i
3:36 thought it won't it switched on me
3:42 there's no button to let me try this
3:44 again
4:01 i apologize one second
4:06 i had this all set up for the meeting
4:17 okay i think this is what you all are
4:18 going to have to see
4:22 okay
4:27 preston you may be able to click on the
4:29 slideshow and do the start from
4:30 beginning on the very top next to the
4:33 the animation transition animation right
4:35 next to it there's a slideshow
4:38 but i'm clicking on slideshare down here
4:40 it's on slideshow
4:52 well
4:52 this is what you get to see tonight
4:57 actually you know what i'm gonna do
5:02 i apologize um let me do it this way
5:07 you guys are seeing everything
5:09 here we go
5:46 yay
5:47 work
5:49 it worked okay
5:50 excellent just i know that there are two
5:53 like two or three slides on here that
5:55 would have been way too small for you
5:56 all to see the other way so i needed to
5:58 make sure this happened the right way so
6:00 yes i proposed 2021 comprehensive and
6:03 zoning map amendments
6:06 so tonight we are going to present
6:08 and we are going to take testimony and
6:11 you all will deliberate and then
6:13 hopefully you will make a recommendation
6:14 to the city council
6:17 so first we are going to talk about the
6:18 land use element in particular right now
6:20 we're going to talk about data and i
6:23 should apologize i did not realize that
6:25 when i converted this to pdf that all
6:27 the track changes went away so
6:29 luckily they are here and we can talk
6:31 about those now if you'd like
6:33 so first
6:34 data as you all may recall in 2016 the
6:38 city council
6:40 asked us to start tracking our units
6:44 toward our state adopted 2031 housing
6:47 and jobs targets
6:49 and so this is where this table and the
6:50 next one that you'll see came from
6:52 every year we submit information
6:55 regarding
6:56 units that have been completed and um
6:58 units that have been permitted to the
7:00 office of financial management and which
7:06 i thought it was an emergency i
7:08 apologize um to the office of financial
7:10 management and then they come back to us
7:12 confirming our number of housing units
7:14 and our population
7:16 and our households so this year uh from
7:19 april 2nd 2020 to april 1st of 2021 we
7:23 gained or completed
7:24 315 new housing units
7:27 which took us to 17703
7:30 units and it took us over our target to
7:32 140 104
7:35 our target was 5750 and we are now at
7:38 5995.
7:42 as for jobs targets we went the opposite
7:44 direction so this one we actually get
7:46 from the employee employee employment
7:48 security department every year and it
7:50 runs with the calendar year so it's
7:52 january through december of 2020
7:55 and we don't provide them with
7:56 information they give us we provide them
7:58 with some but um they are the ones who
8:00 really are the data keepers for this we
8:03 lost over 3000 jobs in 2020 likely due
8:06 to covet that's just
8:08 my thought on that not a fact
8:10 but that took us down from almost 53
8:13 percent of our target to about 38
8:15 percent of our target
8:17 that's okay and we're not we're
8:20 we're
8:21 there are others in that same boat with
8:24 this year we also as part of the growth
8:27 capacity study for the state and growth
8:29 targets did our
8:31 capacity study for the city we have
8:34 about 551 acres of land available for
8:37 residential property
8:38 just over 12 000 which equals
8:41 approximately 12 000 units new units and
8:44 we have
8:45 257 acres for commercial
8:48 property or actually i should say
8:50 non-residential property because that
8:51 includes industrial as well in mixed use
8:54 which totals about 21 000 new jobs that
8:57 we could accommodate
8:59 one is area one is what the development
9:02 allows
9:05 i mentioned ofm and that we provide them
9:07 data and they come back to us with
9:08 housing units households and population
9:10 projections and that's what this table
9:12 shows
9:13 so we have as i mentioned 17 739 units
9:17 just over 17 000 households and
9:19 households are the number of housing
9:21 units that are estimated to be occupied
9:24 and then our population and
9:26 then group quarters are counted in with
9:28 that to to give us almost 40 000 people
9:31 which is crazy because when i started
9:33 here there were 11
9:35 that was in 2001.
9:37 um i should let you know this might it
9:40 might change we got a note from the
9:42 state the other day that the census data
9:44 has just come out
9:45 and because everything had to be done
9:47 electronically this year and no one
9:48 could go door-to-door some of this might
9:50 change but i think we'll probably wind
9:52 up reconciling that next year
9:54 because we won't get the data until
9:56 november
9:59 so moving on to land use designations
10:01 and zoning
10:03 we have nine parcels that we're looking
10:05 at and the first is blackberry park all
10:07 of these were acquired by the city this
10:09 one was given back to was given to us by
10:12 king county it's been a park for a long
10:14 time it's currently his own single
10:15 family small lot
10:18 is has a land use designation of low
10:21 density residential
10:23 our proposed designation for it
10:25 is community facilities recreation with
10:28 a or that's the zoning with the
10:30 designation of community facilities
10:33 it would remain as a park and the
10:35 question was asked last time if the
10:37 parks department had started working
10:39 with the neighborhood to
10:41 improve the park because there will be
10:42 improvements and yes that process has
10:44 since started i did note that i have
10:47 both jennifer fink here from the parks
10:49 department and megan curtis murphy who's
10:52 now a consultant for us
10:53 to answer questions later on if you if
10:55 you have some
10:57 the next one are the newport area
10:58 designations you all actually saw these
11:00 when we took a tour not too long ago
11:03 but two parcels
11:05 both are currently
11:07 have a multi-family residential landis
11:08 designation and a village residential
11:10 zoning designation
11:12 the property on the left right here is
11:15 proposed to be
11:17 community facilities recreation and
11:18 we'll have a park in this area
11:20 uh seven parking spaces one for
11:22 handicapped and then this area will
11:24 remain as open space
11:26 right here
11:30 lastly we have six parcels and it's the
11:32 harvey manning park extension this
11:34 property was purchased several years ago
11:37 it was called the bergsman property
11:39 but now it's proposed to be the harvey
11:41 manning park extension because here is
11:43 harvey manning park and there will be
11:44 trails that connect
11:46 through this area
11:48 so these three parcels are zoned single
11:50 family estates these three parcels are
11:53 single-family suburban they are all
11:55 designated
11:56 at low density residential and they are
11:59 all proposed to be community facilities
12:01 open space
12:02 this is part of we use some king county
12:04 funds to help pay for this and part of
12:07 that agreement was it would be in space
12:12 should those be approved any or all the
12:15 land use designation map in the land
12:17 used element will also be changed
12:20 reflect that
12:23 moving on to old town
12:25 old town we proposed just to do the
12:27 implementation tables
12:29 and status tables but
12:31 we did find a couple of changes that
12:34 needed to be made here one was this was
12:36 just simplifying this policy to say
12:38 facilitate mobility options to improve
12:40 access for old town
12:42 and the other was it said strive
12:45 for the mobility master plan to identify
12:48 efforts it was before it had been
12:50 written now it's been written so we just
12:52 changed it to implement the mobility
12:53 master plan
12:56 but to what we were originally supposed
12:57 to do we updated
12:59 the status table and you'll recall you
13:00 can't see it here we had it in two
13:02 different sections we had the list of
13:03 immediate of all the actions and then we
13:05 had a table of all the actions so
13:07 instead of duplicating we're just going
13:08 to remove the list and put it the whole
13:10 table in there so it's one space
13:12 we just updated it with things like we
13:14 have minor challenges with
13:16 some of these this will be done during
13:18 the title 18 update because we looked
13:20 and said landscapes not just for old
13:22 town it's for the whole city so we're
13:24 going to update that then
13:25 couldn't do
13:27 uh impervious surface because we need to
13:29 wait and see what the storm and surface
13:31 water master plan says about doing that
13:33 we did complete the architectural design
13:36 standards for the sfd zones
13:40 and then
13:41 let's see moving on just these are just
13:43 some samples i didn't pull them all
13:45 we just updated these to ongoing some
13:47 are complete some are on track and
13:49 ongoing
13:50 um and then longer term look we've had
13:53 either we're doing that they're either
13:55 complete or they're ongoing so we moved
13:57 a couple around as well
14:01 capital facilities element we were asked
14:03 by parks and city council to update
14:05 because there were some things that were
14:06 left off and some things that were
14:08 misnamed so for example the tiger
14:11 mountain community high school was no
14:13 longer
14:14 community high school it's actually
14:15 gibson neck high school so we changed
14:17 that name we added green barn julius
14:20 bone pool the senior center in the
14:21 community center
14:23 and we did have these two new schools
14:25 lumped together and it sort of looked
14:26 like they were named so we just
14:28 clarified that there are two separate
14:30 new schools
14:31 that have not yet been named so those
14:32 are the updates there
14:36 lastly moving on to land use element
14:39 climate change goals and policies
14:42 as you all know
14:43 goals and policies these are just like
14:45 the mobility master plan just like the
14:46 parks plan just like the utilities plan
14:49 the goals and policies from those plans
14:51 are pulled and put into the
14:52 comprehensive plan so that those other
14:55 plans are implementable because the
14:57 comprehensive plan is really the guiding
14:59 document and the legal document for
15:01 those so you all saw these on the 23rd
15:05 actually
15:06 and
15:08 these will be included
15:10 i'm not going to go everyone we have
15:11 megan here later if you'd like to ask
15:13 any questions about these
15:15 um but we did
15:17 um clarify here that we were decreasing
15:20 energy use we
15:22 whoops sorry i find that energy use is
15:24 actually natural gas and electricity
15:26 you all asked and also
15:30 made sure that
15:33 longer than i thought
15:36 made sure that emergency services would
15:37 be available to conserve hundred percent
15:39 of issaquah's population not just fifty
15:41 percent of the zika population
15:44 so just to let you know this will go to
15:46 the council study session if you all
15:47 make a recommendation tonight it will go
15:49 to the council study session on november
15:51 9th and then on december 6th council
15:53 would potentially take action on this
15:56 that is my presentation
16:00 thank you kristen and
16:03 so for commissioners are do you have any
16:05 clarifying questions you would like to
16:07 ask
16:11 go ahead and put it in the chat i have
16:13 to open chat
16:16 chat's blank
16:22 excellent joys to the rescue so joy uh
16:24 commissioner joy
16:26 has the first question
16:29 thank you chair fall commissioner joy
16:31 lewis here um since we just saw kay it's
16:34 a little easy to ask this question i was
16:35 curious why shelter wasn't called out um
16:38 on ik1 when we're
16:40 like you mentioned we now upped the
16:42 number to 100
16:43 of our 40 000 residents which is nice we
16:45 don't have to pick and choose between
16:47 them but um shelter was specifically not
16:49 mentioned and i was curious if there was
16:51 a policy choice for that or why that was
16:54 left out
16:57 dora this is megan curtis murphy um so
17:00 originally the last time that we talked
17:01 about this um the target that we were
17:04 discussing was just
17:06 shelter oriented so that's where we're
17:08 at that fifty percent number
17:10 um been taking feedback from uh
17:12 community members boards and commissions
17:14 we wanted to look a little bit more
17:15 holistically and reach that hundred
17:17 percent so we're still looking
17:19 um at the the fifty percent for for
17:23 shelter right now um but making sure
17:26 that we would be able to have all the
17:28 food and water and other services
17:30 available for a hundred 100 of the
17:31 population um so expected that we
17:33 wouldn't necessarily need buildings
17:36 available for 100 percent of population
17:38 but there's uh situations where maybe we
17:40 would need food water those sorts of
17:42 resources
17:44 is it possible do you guys think about
17:45 adding a sentence or language to be able
17:48 to at least have the policy include
17:50 where we're at and where our intentions
17:52 are with shelter
17:54 i just had to go from the complete drop
17:56 off i was just noticed it
17:58 yeah um great point i think um this is
18:01 one of those targets that's really
18:03 pretty new for the city and in um
18:06 you know something that we're just
18:07 starting to talk about now we have a new
18:09 emergency manager on board who just
18:11 started i believe late august so we've
18:14 been starting to have these
18:15 conversations and he is already busy
18:17 updating a bunch of different plans so i
18:20 think he's going to be looking at those
18:21 numbers a little bit more but for the
18:23 purposes of the climate action plan that
18:25 we thought that the food and water
18:28 resources would be the most most
18:29 appropriate for this plan but i think
18:32 we'll be able to see those other numbers
18:34 in some of the more emergency services
18:36 targeted uh plans
18:40 okay i'd certainly like to throw up a
18:41 red flag saying that i appreciate having
18:44 that even if it is a separate um target
18:47 right that we're not anticipating um
18:49 meeting that same capacity need that is
18:51 that language is still present somewhere
18:53 in the document so thank you
18:58 thank you commissioner joy uh
19:00 commissioner uh jason you have the floor
19:03 for clarification
19:05 thank you chair foul commissioner voice
19:07 mine's just a point of clarification so
19:09 on page
19:10 20 of 86 i know these numbers are kind
19:13 of funny um that's our jobs table i
19:16 believe it was l3 so just so i'm aware
19:20 there was some
19:21 some reading in there that kind of
19:22 mentioned that all of our cities are
19:24 having these
19:26 jobs numbers issues i think uh senior
19:29 planner lisa had just alluded to it so
19:31 am i understanding this right basically
19:33 we've revised that number down from 20
19:35 000 to 15 000 is that correct that's our
19:38 new 2031 goal
19:40 is 15 000 new jobs not 20 000
19:45 our 20 000 is still our goal is still
19:48 our target our 2031 target
19:51 it's just that we are only at 37 of
19:53 meeting that and not 38 or not 53
19:58 our target remains the same we're just
19:59 not as close to it as we used to be
20:02 okay i thought i saw something that
20:03 mentioned
20:11 maybe thinking of potential proposed job
20:13 targets
20:14 right there was some number that had
20:15 mentioned this number has been revised
20:17 down to 70 7 500 right not yet it's
20:20 proposed right now in what's been
20:22 submitted to the growth management
20:24 planning
20:26 uh council gnpc and king county but it
20:29 hasn't been approved yet
20:31 is that what the city is going for it's
20:33 a reduction that's what we're going for
20:36 okay
20:36 yeah i mean it's pretty obvious you look
20:38 at the table the great recession shows
20:40 up and then the pandemic shows up so
20:41 it's
20:42 it i think the culprit's there in black
20:44 and white but
20:46 okay that was uh one and then just real
20:48 quickly um
20:50 i noticed that on one of it page 14 of
20:52 86 it says edit policy f1
20:55 but then your slide just showed k1
20:59 page 14 of 86 clarified b1 and again
21:03 it showed up on your slide as g1 so is
21:05 this just what happens when the climate
21:07 the isoqua climate
21:09 plan gets take that's how those numbers
21:11 are gonna
21:12 re-gear itself
21:14 right because i was looking at these
21:15 numbers and i was like
21:16 where are the i don't see it and then i
21:18 was like oh it's over here
21:20 yeah i apologize i should have caught
21:22 yes the numbers change when they come
21:23 into the comp plan because it has to
21:24 mesh in with all the other policies that
21:26 are already there
21:27 okay
21:28 thank you that's good
21:37 okay and thank you uh commissioner voice
21:39 are there any other questions
21:42 commissioners it looks like commissioner
21:44 milligan has a clarification and a
21:46 question
21:55 i'm unmuted so i hope if i can shout can
21:57 you hear me at all
21:59 yes
22:00 okay i take my question back because
22:02 commissioner lewis asked it so well
22:10 thank you commissioner milligan any
22:12 other clarifying questions or comments
22:18 okay um
22:21 i guess now we'll go ahead and open up
22:23 the public hearing or the
22:26 open up for
22:31 public comment
22:32 at 6 54
22:35 i was about to say public hearing
22:38 we are in a public hearing um
22:40 so kristin do we have any members from
22:42 the public that would like to speak
22:45 we do
22:46 um first we have ann fletcher
22:48 i'm going to make you a panelist
22:52 and you're unmuted you can turn on your
22:55 camera if you would like
23:01 good evening
23:02 my name is ann fletcher i live at 255
23:06 southeast andrews street and i'm a
23:09 resident since 1987
23:11 and a member of the people for climate
23:14 action issaquah chapter
23:19 to all the planning policy commission
23:21 members
23:23 i would like to talk about the comp plan
23:25 amendments in the land use element
23:29 first of all element e
23:33 we are on the right track i think by
23:36 replacing the current climate goals and
23:39 policies
23:40 in the comprehensive plan
23:43 with those from the draft climate action
23:46 plan
23:47 and i too had to make that switch on the
23:49 numbers that you were talking about
23:53 so my written comments uh i think had
23:55 both so it's probably a little confusing
23:57 to some of you
23:59 but i i
24:01 they're they're high overarching goals
24:03 and i believe they are better than the
24:06 other ones
24:08 because they are much clearer
24:10 more specific
24:12 and actionable
24:14 and they will be useful to the city
24:17 departments
24:19 because they are now working together on
24:21 climate and they have many
24:23 interconnected plans and programs and i
24:25 think they will be really helpful
24:27 to the city departments
24:29 they expand on important um oh
24:33 i'm going to go back they also reflect
24:35 some updates in knowledge about how
24:39 to mitigate and adapt to climate climate
24:41 change
24:43 and they expand on important areas that
24:46 are relevant to climate change that we
24:48 didn't we didn't we weren't as aware of
24:50 before things are changing fast
24:54 the uh f
24:56 the number f
24:58 uh the bench they it benchmarks carbon
25:01 emission reduction goals
25:04 well which i believe was suggested and
25:07 um i think that's really great to have
25:09 that as an overarching goal and it also
25:12 brought in community involvement which
25:14 was requested so i think that's
25:16 wonderful
25:18 it also has a section g
25:22 where there are goals to increase energy
25:24 efficiency and decarbonization
25:27 in both current and new buildings
25:30 that's our biggest carbon emitter so
25:33 that is a really great goal
25:36 age we're promoting better systems
25:39 for current and new neighborhoods to use
25:42 cars less and and promoting transit and
25:45 electric vehicles
25:47 transportation is our second biggest
25:49 emitter so it's great to have a strong
25:51 goal there
25:53 in section
25:55 i uh
25:57 not only are we trying to do something
25:59 about our
26:00 our
26:03 landfill
26:05 which is a complicated area
26:07 um and it's more complicated but the
26:09 overall goals i think are okay
26:12 the um
26:14 the the one part that i was pleased to
26:17 see was in there was about advancing
26:19 careful consumption of carbon emitting
26:22 products
26:24 because that's that's the first step
26:27 and then if you once you have them you
26:28 have to get get rid of them so
26:31 then um jay brings in the terms carbon
26:34 capture and carbon sequestration and a
26:38 stretch goal of 55 tree canopy in the
26:41 natural systems area
26:43 and
26:45 in a new section is for community
26:47 resilience and well-being which i heard
26:50 you talking about so i think overall
26:53 it's a really um great to have that
26:56 aligned something that we've been um
26:59 wondering how that was going to be done
27:02 and looks like the city's found a way to
27:04 do it so we really appreciate that
27:07 and i wanted to mention
27:09 elements a through d real quickly
27:13 they
27:14 you just went through the growth
27:15 management information
27:18 and
27:19 it was interesting that those four
27:20 things
27:22 are all factors that will affect our
27:25 carbon emissions
27:27 and the fifth element
27:29 the new climate goal is and policies
27:35 needs to be really strong enough to
27:37 address both our current and our new
27:40 growth emissions
27:41 so that was made really clear in this
27:44 report
27:45 and i think that that just looking at
27:48 the fact that we have already exceeded
27:50 our 2031 housing goal
27:54 units
27:55 that was that was amazing to me
27:58 and i'm wondering um
28:01 we seem to be growing pretty fast
28:03 are we able to keep up with the needed
28:05 infrastructure and properly protect our
28:08 environment with that
28:10 and
28:11 with a new goal of 3 500 more units
28:15 if we meet that early
28:17 i guess we could increase it again and i
28:19 guess it makes me wonder well how well
28:21 are we managing our growth in our growth
28:24 management
28:27 the jobs going down the lower goal is a
28:31 reality
28:34 and
28:35 it means that people will reside here if
28:38 we keep adding units but they will drive
28:40 somewhere else to work possibly
28:44 and
28:49 i i guess i wanted to mention that when
28:52 we figure i don't know how we figure out
28:54 capacity for growth and how they figure
28:56 out the acres but the more buildings and
29:00 accompanying cars will add to our carbon
29:02 emissions
29:03 unless exceptionally strong building and
29:05 transportation mitigation actions are
29:08 are
29:09 taken
29:10 and then the other thing that i learned
29:13 about last night the environmental board
29:15 is the tree code
29:16 and um
29:18 the predicted development in elements a
29:21 through d will result in a continuous
29:23 erosion of our tree canopy
29:26 which supplies shade
29:28 carbon capture storm water control and
29:32 wildlife habitat
29:33 and
29:35 unless we protect the rest of our trees
29:37 and plant significantly and
29:40 significantly plant more trees in other
29:42 places
29:44 so i was
29:46 wondering
29:47 do we have a plan for that because it's
29:49 pretty clear
29:50 that we are having a big impact not only
29:53 from what we have now but also
29:55 this big growth that we're going to
29:58 continue to have
30:00 so thank you very much and thank you for
30:02 your service to the community
30:14 thank you miss fletcher kristen do we
30:16 have any additional members of the
30:18 public would like to speak we have one
30:20 other member of the public and if you
30:22 would like to speak if you go ahead and
30:24 raise your hand that would be great
30:27 and if you can't find figure out how to
30:29 do that which i never can
30:31 you can just message me
30:37 now there's no one else who would like
30:38 to speak
30:41 okay uh very good
30:43 so we'll go ahead and close the public
30:44 here our public comments at 702
30:51 and i guess now we will move on to
30:54 the proposed motion is to recommend um
30:57 approval of the proposed 2021
31:00 comprehensive plan and zoning map
31:02 amendments as presented
31:04 would anyone like to make a motion for
31:06 that
31:13 jason you're on mute
31:16 you have a comment your fault
31:18 i didn't have a question though but i'll
31:20 go after the comment just a quick
31:22 question
31:23 okay uh commissioner uh lewis you have
31:26 the floor
31:28 thank you chairfall and vice chair uh as
31:31 well uh commissioner joy lewis here um i
31:34 was under the um impression that we were
31:36 going to be doing our
31:37 the discussion right now chair it's how
31:39 you had how it's been laid out before
31:42 you have some comments i'm going to jump
31:43 in here the way that we're the way that
31:45 it's supposed to be so we're trying to
31:47 fix that is that emotion is made and
31:49 then emotion is seconded and then you
31:51 may deliberate
31:53 and then you can make a recommendation
31:55 so that's that's the order of things
31:58 the way they're supposed to be we just
31:59 haven't always followed it we're trying
32:00 to follow it now
32:02 so what if we were amending the document
32:04 then we the motion would then need to be
32:06 amended
32:07 right
32:08 and then you would vote on the amendment
32:10 to the document
32:11 you would vote on the proposed amendment
32:13 to the motion yes
32:18 well then i will wait for when we're
32:20 ready to do to deliberate but since i
32:23 have before i'll go ahead and make a
32:25 motion uh to adopt the land use element
32:28 um and the comprehensive plan as
32:30 submitted by staff
32:35 okay
32:38 second third
32:40 all right we'll go with uh matt monahan
32:42 for a second
32:45 okay uh all in favor
32:50 actually we want to
32:51 first deliberate on this okay now that
32:53 we have a an active sorry this whole
32:56 thing process has changed a little bit
32:58 so i'm learning as we go as well uh so
33:00 now we have a
33:02 amendment has a second on it we're going
33:04 to go ahead and open it for deliberation
33:08 okay and uh let's see
33:11 commissioner voice would you like to
33:14 voice your comment
33:16 thank you chair fell i just had a quick
33:18 clarifier but it really doesn't pertain
33:20 to what we're doing now so it's more of
33:22 a question about how how staff figures
33:25 out acreage and jobs that one kind of
33:28 struck me as
33:29 interesting
33:31 so i don't know if anyone can answer
33:32 that real quickly it really doesn't
33:33 pertain to anything this was more for
33:36 my information or perhaps somebody out
33:38 there who's going to watch this later
33:39 who's going
33:41 per square foot how many jobs is per
33:43 square foot i can answer if you need to
33:45 get one job
33:47 i can answer that
33:49 so acreage is its land area pretty much
33:53 you know if you want to be really
33:54 straightforward
33:56 you look at all the single-family
33:57 acreage and no commercial can really go
33:59 there no non-residential can go there so
34:01 that's your residential acreage it gets
34:03 a little more confusing when you break
34:04 it into the mixed use zones whereas
34:07 maybe you
34:08 based on what's happened in the past
34:10 forty percent of that acreage might be
34:12 developed as residential and sixty
34:14 percent might be developed as
34:15 commercial or non-residential so that's
34:17 how that mixed use is broken up and it's
34:19 based on it's based on history in that
34:21 area
34:22 but acreage is just what's on the ground
34:25 so when you go to determine units or
34:28 jobs units is easier it's based on what
34:31 can be developed on that property so if
34:34 that property can only go to
34:36 25 feet
34:38 and one dwelling unit per five acres or
34:41 four and a half dwelling units per acre
34:44 then you estimate you know based on that
34:45 i have this many acres that are zoned
34:47 that way so this is the number of units
34:49 that could go there
34:50 and you look at both vacant land and
34:52 redevelopable land and redevelopable
34:54 land there are a few factors that are
34:56 involved you look at you know how much
34:58 when the property was built and the
35:00 likelihood that it you know could be
35:02 potentially taken down and replaced and
35:04 maybe there's only one parcel on one
35:06 house on a space now or it could have
35:08 two
35:09 or you look at mixed use and you say
35:11 okay well this actually can go up to 85
35:14 feet and it has this is the far this
35:16 could have about this many units on
35:18 there so you know we work with king
35:20 county and they have a formula out there
35:21 too that helps us determine that um as
35:24 for jobs it's a little different jobs is
35:27 per square foot per employee per square
35:29 foot and by type
35:31 so an industrial
35:34 job or an industrial building
35:37 may have one employee per 750 square
35:39 feet so you look at your industrial zone
35:41 land
35:42 what the f they are or what the
35:44 development regulations allow
35:46 see what could go their max you actually
35:48 don't go to the max you kind of go a
35:49 little below that because max isn't
35:51 likely going to happen it's going to be
35:52 market's not
35:54 dictating that right now um
35:56 and then commercial retails more like
35:58 400 and fit one person per 450 square
36:01 feet and then offices like one person
36:04 per 300 square feet now there's covid
36:07 and i know somebody's going to ask me
36:09 and nobody knows yet but the effects of
36:11 covet are going to be on this and it's a
36:12 20-year cycle so they're going to come
36:14 back and visit it in two years
36:16 and may change up some of the numbers
36:20 yeah based on does that help
36:22 thank you senior plane at least and it
36:24 does
36:24 help appreciate it
36:26 good
36:30 okay and now we have a
36:33 well joy did you want to go ahead and
36:37 present your question or your comment or
36:39 your
36:41 i do thank you chairfall um i want to
36:44 stick right now since um
36:47 since jason brought up um our jobs and
36:50 housing numbers i think this is a good
36:51 place if we want to have a discussion
36:52 about this to start with that before i
36:54 get to the land use policy section
36:59 you know i think we were all expecting
37:01 that there was going to be a hit and i
37:03 think we all
37:04 who have been the people who've been
37:06 charging these numbers knew that we were
37:07 already pretty aggressive on our housing
37:09 numbers so it wasn't a huge surprise
37:11 at the same time it's concerning to see
37:14 such a discrepancy right we should be
37:16 able to take that
37:19 hit a little bit easier because we were
37:22 so far regressed already on our numbers
37:25 um on jobs specifically so
37:28 what my concern is is that i really want
37:30 to see as we're addressing the incoming
37:33 housing capacity numbers that we'll be
37:35 getting for our next target is that we
37:37 address how we're going to be doing it
37:39 right
37:40 and i think specifically looking at the
37:42 jobs that issaquah needs to reach its
37:45 2031 goal
37:47 means being able to say well what kind
37:49 of housing are we getting and i'd like
37:51 to hear more from the city not
37:53 necessarily in this meeting but i want
37:56 throw up the issue of saying how are we
37:58 going to address that missing middle how
38:00 are we going to get the housing that we
38:02 need to support the jobs that we're
38:04 trying to get
38:06 and not having that discrepancy that's
38:09 been existing in the housing we're
38:11 getting versus the jobs we're trying to
38:13 get
38:15 um i think that it's something that's
38:17 worth having further discussions at
38:19 another time and i just want to bring up
38:20 that concern
38:22 um of basically of saying that that
38:24 missing middle continues to be missing
38:26 and i think that it's closely aligned to
38:28 the jobs that we're wanting and hoping
38:30 to fill that they're pretty closely
38:32 interconnected um and i'm going to wait
38:36 yeah go ahead i was just going to jump
38:38 in real quick before i move down to the
38:39 land use sorry
38:41 i was i was going to wait on the
38:42 landings because i wanted to hear if
38:43 anybody else had any comments on it so i
38:45 will re-enter
38:47 my space in a minute because i want to i
38:48 think this is a a good conversation for
38:50 us to be having okay
38:53 um so
38:54 first you had mentioned that we were off
38:56 track last time on our jobs we actually
38:57 weren't
38:58 we were halfway through the 20-year
39:01 cycle and we were at about 53
39:03 so we were actually right on track
39:05 almost toward meeting our 2031 targets
39:08 and this was just a setback
39:10 um and when we get our new targets it's
39:13 not going to be added to the 20 000 we
39:16 start over it's a reset
39:18 so we start with whatever we have and we
39:19 don't have to do
39:21 what we didn't hit plus 7 500 it's just
39:24 the 7 500 if that's what's approved
39:27 so it's actually going to be fewer jobs
39:29 if if that is what our target is then
39:32 what would be remaining for the 2031
39:34 target if that makes sense
39:35 that's if we make our target right we we
39:38 far and away made our housing target
39:40 but when we talk about we're still
39:42 looking at making our 2031 target right
39:44 we're not
39:45 we already know we're going to miss it
39:47 so right we know we're going to miss it
39:49 and it actually starts over as soon as
39:51 these are adopted and in 2024 is when
39:53 the targets would take over we start
39:54 over so if we haven't hit our targets
39:56 that's okay
39:58 and you know part of it was that when we
40:00 did our first targets back in 2006 we
40:02 had anticipated that three huge parcels
40:04 of land up and highlands were going to
40:06 be microsoft they had options up there
40:08 and then they left so you know we knew
40:10 we we weren't gonna hit what was adopted
40:12 in 2006 it wasn't likely but that's okay
40:16 we re-evaluate we reset and then we
40:17 start over in 2024 with whatever our new
40:19 adopted targets are
40:21 so if we didn't hit them that's fine
40:23 because a big part of why we were at our
40:26 was due to the cost is due to costco
40:29 right the costco partnership right so
40:32 when we start looking at the jobs that
40:34 we need to be able to support our um our
40:36 live play work in issaquah right um it
40:39 it certainly took um it was nice to be
40:42 able to add that into our numbers but it
40:43 didn't necessarily factor into what the
40:45 jobs are needed in the community for us
40:47 to be sustaining a healthy population
40:50 so um it's nice to be able to reset our
40:53 numbers and to say this one didn't work
40:55 so let's find the next one that does but
40:57 i think that there's a connection that
40:59 needs to be figured out between
41:02 gaining the space
41:04 for
41:05 middle um middle income jobs and middle
41:08 income housing that hasn't been
41:10 adequately addressed we've done a nice
41:12 job of trying to address affordable
41:14 housing and the market continues to give
41:16 us very nice and very expensive housing
41:18 in israel as well but being able to
41:21 connect these two numbers is something
41:22 i'd like to see more from the city about
41:24 how we're actually saying how do we how
41:26 do we make this work
41:28 again not tonight i'm not expecting
41:30 you know it's it's it's one of our
41:34 it's one of our topics on our work plan
41:36 as and as part of our housing
41:37 implementation plan is
41:39 our housing action work plan housing
41:41 strategy we're planning there we go um
41:44 is missing middle
41:45 so it's it's absolutely on our radar we
41:48 talk about it often um and
41:51 hopefully it'll be addressed sooner
41:52 rather than later and i know that you
41:54 know as i've mentioned it before but
41:56 when i was talking targets with the city
41:57 council they want to come back and have
41:59 another discussion about
42:01 infrastructure and services and
42:03 everything meeting our growth our
42:04 capacity is a lot bigger than our
42:06 proposed targets are
42:08 we want to make sure we meet all of it
42:09 so they want to have more conversations
42:11 about that as well
42:13 thank you kristin you're welcome
42:16 thank you commissioner lewis um actually
42:18 on the jobs
42:19 target i know uh commissioner milligan
42:21 is next here for a question but i want
42:23 to inject here
42:26 work from home is a changing
42:28 dynamic
42:31 how are we going to prepare for possible
42:32 work from home and would that
42:34 be counted in the jobs that were here in
42:38 issaquah
42:41 at microsoft a lot of contractors a lot
42:43 of people are
42:44 working from home
42:46 they live here in issaquah
42:49 would they be counted possibly in the
42:51 numbers
42:53 and if they're not
42:55 should we be including them in the
42:57 numbers so that we have the
42:58 infrastructure to support those work
43:00 from home people
43:02 they are counting
43:05 they are counting yes
43:07 yeah
43:08 so if they are counted
43:12 then our numbers should actually be
43:14 going up instead of down because of all
43:16 the work from home people
43:18 well except that people actually lost
43:20 their jobs during covet or left their
43:22 jobs during coped
43:25 now again this is me speaking but based
43:27 on what happened in 2020
43:29 i'm going to guess that that's probably
43:30 what it was
43:34 how do we collect that work from home
43:38 information
43:39 that is something
43:41 that needs to be figured out
43:43 um and
43:45 i'm going to leave that up to
43:46 demographers and
43:48 the employment bureau
43:50 but as i mentioned earlier the
43:52 king county and the state will go back
43:54 in about two years and re-look at
43:57 how covet affected how you know how
43:59 people working at home affected the job
44:01 market
44:02 and even the housing market and the
44:04 commutes that kind of thing it's just
44:06 too early for them to figure out what
44:08 effect that's had so far
44:10 i understood okay
44:12 uh i'm going to go ahead and open the
44:13 floor up to
44:14 commissioner milligan she had a question
44:18 well really i was commenting why i went
44:20 offline there but i will take the moment
44:23 if you give it to me at first i'd like
44:24 clarification about
44:27 what was included in the motion can
44:30 someone reiterate for me are we talking
44:32 about the jobs housing and the motion
44:35 yet or are we just talking about the
44:36 land use changes
44:41 sorry you cut out there for a little bit
44:42 but right now we just we're getting um
44:44 there are questions about the jobs and
44:47 housing targets that's what we've been
44:48 talking about yes i understand what
44:51 we're talking about i just don't know
44:52 what the motion is so
44:54 the motion
44:55 motion was to approve the 2021
44:58 comprehensive plan in sony mac
44:59 amendments as presented
45:02 not the
45:06 chart for housing and jobs
45:09 it would be all of it all of that
45:11 includes the comprehensive plan and the
45:13 zoning plot okay okay great
45:15 thank you i didn't know if that was
45:17 separated out into three sections as per
45:19 agenda okay
45:21 in that case
45:22 um if you can hear me okay
45:24 okay they can hear me uh i do want to
45:27 comment because this is the opportunity
45:29 to reiterate some of the things that i
45:32 think are important to the community in
45:33 regards to our housing growth
45:36 we have
45:37 repeated
45:39 interest in where we put our housing
45:41 growth and
45:43 take this opportunity to
45:45 folks that i'm keeping an eye on this
45:47 and that our housing growth is intended
45:48 to go into central issaquah as per the
45:51 central issaquah plan
45:53 that's what we
45:54 promised and
45:56 should do it
45:57 the other is that we have
45:59 intentions sustainability and other
46:01 issues to redevelop our parking lots
46:03 rather than
46:04 developing areas that have a lot of
46:06 green space for instance our single
46:09 family neighborhoods are also part of
46:10 our green canopy
46:12 to redevelop single family goods would
46:14 be analytical to that goal
46:17 i also want to point out that
46:20 when we're talking about where our
46:21 housing growth is it is in the central
46:24 asia plan we have
46:26 excessive capacity to handle our growth
46:29 targets so there's no need to look any
46:31 further
46:32 it would be a challenge
46:35 if we
46:36 the capacity is so much higher than our
46:38 targets
46:39 that there should be no need to go
46:41 elsewhere
46:42 and because transportation and
46:45 impact from pollution and
46:48 other issues
46:49 transportation traffic
46:51 convenience is also important to the
46:53 community it's another reason why we
46:55 focus our growth in central issaquah so
46:58 i'm just
46:59 this chart comes up
47:02 folks said i'm going to keep looking at
47:03 this and you guys can keep helping me
47:05 because pressures
47:07 cities are
47:09 spread the development over
47:12 in our single family neighborhoods and
47:15 tension of our city so i'm supporting
47:17 the motion and adopting the reports and
47:20 the zoning i just wanted to take an
47:22 opportunity to say that she ate the time
47:24 thank you chair paul
47:27 thank you commissioner milligan
47:30 and are there any other questions or
47:32 comments
47:34 or anyone want to
47:38 think uh commissioner lewis you had
47:39 another comment that you wanted to bring
47:41 up at a different time
47:43 or bring that up now or did you already
47:45 cover that
47:46 thank you chairfall i uh wanted to go
47:49 through the land use policy i had a
47:51 couple things this is um one of the best
47:54 insights we've had
47:57 to a couple of things that i wanted to
47:58 clarify i'm uh i'm really pleased i
48:01 should say that we've had so many
48:03 opportunities to view pieces and parts
48:05 of us because seeing it together as a
48:07 whole
48:07 i think this comp plan is very
48:09 successful
48:10 i see a lot of amazing work that's gone
48:12 into it
48:13 i did want to point out i suppose on our
48:15 packet it's going to be page 32 and this
48:18 is land use policy i3
48:21 i appreciated the introduction of the
48:23 language it says and reducing overall
48:26 consumption um and i was hoping that we
48:28 could make that language
48:30 a little beefier if it were up to me i
48:32 think we'd say something like well also
48:34 reducing um
48:37 by saying android it the way the
48:39 sentence is framed the
48:41 production and materials and reducing
48:44 overall consumption it's
48:46 it own separate concept
48:49 and yet it's thrown into the end of the
48:50 sentence and i think that having
48:52 language that makes it a little bit
48:53 stronger we would benefit from it
48:56 uh so again my best suggestion was while
48:59 also reducing
49:01 to try to um help that i don't mind it
49:03 sitting along with the policy but that
49:05 was something that i saw
49:07 the next one i'm going to go to is going
49:08 to be uh j1
49:11 see if i can find it so i can give you
49:13 the language
49:19 and on j1
49:21 i know everyone is going to want to
49:23 gloss over this but on j1 we have the 55
49:28 tree canopy coverage
49:31 what
49:32 i think hasn't really been addressed is
49:34 why staff said we met our target we want
49:37 to keep it at the 50
49:39 and
49:40 the public has pushed back and said we
49:42 want a greater amount of tree canopy
49:44 coverage and so they put it at 55
49:46 percent but i haven't actually seen any
49:48 scientific data that's been presented
49:50 any kind of
49:52 equation that says this is the right
49:55 number
49:56 why is it 55 versus 60
49:59 um when we know that we need to
50:02 be able to accommodate not only keeping
50:04 the tree growth that we have but
50:05 planting more
50:07 i would just like to be able to see
50:10 a greater backing behind what this
50:12 number is but i know that this is
50:14 something that necessarily
50:16 isn't something everybody wants to
50:17 continue to talk about it's nice that we
50:19 have the extra five percent so it's an
50:21 easy it feels like an easy win but i do
50:23 think that something that's worth
50:25 talking about as we it comes before our
50:27 commission quite frequently is the tree
50:30 canopy coverage
50:31 the next thing i had was going to be on
50:33 section k and this gets into the compact
50:36 schools i really love reading this
50:38 section because it's something that
50:39 we've talked a lot about it's something
50:41 that we've wanted to have further
50:42 clarity about and i think that there is
50:44 room for improvement in this section
50:46 we know that when we're working with
50:48 partners on this new proposed concept of
50:50 how we're doing our schools
50:52 that having our policies laid out being
50:55 very crystal clear uh will aid us later
50:58 on when we're actually trying to put
50:59 together how we're going to be utilizing
51:01 this
51:03 um for an example i'd like to see on
51:05 l10a i'd like to have a stronger use of
51:07 language to move towards banning oh
51:09 sorry that's sorry if that's on 10. i'm
51:11 uh i'm on the compact schools which is
51:13 talking about um
51:16 sorry my notes got uh together uh
51:20 implementing policies throughout the
51:22 municipal code
51:24 that are going to talk about shared
51:25 resource language and to help buffer the
51:27 idea this is l6 that resource intensive
51:30 activities need to collaborate and share
51:33 and have mixed-use facilities
51:35 i think that language is touched on but
51:37 i think it's something that we saw in
51:39 the providence point community we had
51:41 many members of the community come to us
51:43 and say their main issue is the issue of
51:46 lights on fields the space that's being
51:49 taken up and the school district wasn't
51:51 willing to budge whatsoever on this and
51:54 so i think it's something that's going
51:55 to be coming up with compact schools
51:57 that i'd like to see greater language
51:59 really clarified on that it's something
52:01 that the community continues to talk to
52:03 us about
52:04 and this is a great opportunity to be
52:06 able to use this for doing compact
52:08 schools and then again moving on to l10a
52:11 which is
52:13 when we talk about pesticide use being
52:15 able to have a stronger use of language
52:17 to move towards banning the use of
52:18 chemicals rather than
52:21 just addressing them i think it would be
52:22 worth having stronger language there so
52:24 that's my my comments on the land use
52:26 policy and if anyone else has any
52:29 comments on it i'd love to hear
52:34 thank you commissioner lewis are there
52:36 any other additional comments or
52:37 questions
52:42 okay i'm gonna start naming
52:45 okay uh commissioner monahan did you
52:48 have any questions or comments do you
52:50 like to make
52:51 not at this time thank you okay thank
52:53 you uh commissioner zargoza would you
52:55 like to add anything
52:57 nope thank you and commissioner bader
53:01 would you like to add anything nothing
53:04 all right and uh commissioner milligan
53:08 commissioner voice you've been very
53:10 quiet today
53:13 no thanks chair all right
53:15 okay uh
53:17 so moving forward uh
53:20 i guess we will take a
53:22 we'll open this up for vote
53:26 if there's no further discussion we will
53:28 proceed to a vote on approving
53:31 the
53:33 proposed 2021 comprehensive plan and
53:36 zoning map amendments as presented there
53:38 are no amendments to that
53:43 so i guess the next
53:44 part here is kristen will you please
53:47 take a
53:49 roll call vote
53:50 i will but first i want to make a
53:52 clarification there was a note that
53:54 commissioner lewis made regarding i3
53:57 that she would like to include two words
53:59 while also producing
54:02 instead of just producing
54:04 and
54:06 i we need to hear from the commission on
54:08 whether that's something that you want
54:09 to do and i don't think it needs to be
54:10 an amendment but it would be to the
54:12 promotion
54:13 it would be something that we would add
54:14 to the findings of fact
54:17 okay uh commissioner lewis would you
54:19 like to make
54:25 kristen you said they
54:27 so just just uh just a vote um i i don't
54:30 think it's changing the motion
54:33 but it's just making a small change to
54:35 add those two words to ik or um i3 i
54:38 don't think it's an additional motion
54:39 but what i was opening up is the floor
54:41 is to have anyone else see if they had
54:43 any similar reactions when and it
54:45 doesn't sound like anybody else did
54:46 since everyone since you went through
54:48 the roll call so it was my suggestion it
54:50 sounds like i stand alone in it
55:00 well i want to clarify did anyone have
55:04 was anyone resisting to
55:07 uh joy's comment because maybe we were
55:09 all going along with it and saying that
55:11 sounds like a great idea
55:15 i want to be clarifying i'm not making
55:17 uh not taking
55:18 position here but
55:21 do we want to
55:22 support joy in her
55:26 changes or
55:28 do we want to move forward as the
55:32 comprehensive plan was presented in its
55:35 words
55:39 commissioner milligan
55:43 uh you're on mute
55:46 what's up tonight we're going to do a
55:48 test on this kristen later and try all
55:50 my gear and see what works best in this
55:52 platform
55:53 thank you chair fall i want to support
55:56 joy but i do not want to amend
55:59 motion
56:01 because if i'm looking at the same
56:03 language we're talking about landi's
56:05 policy i3
56:08 i believed in my i support what you're
56:11 saying
56:13 but the words and i think are strong
56:17 enough it's not saying or maybe
56:19 something
56:20 there and i think that our words don't
56:23 they and
56:26 the words
56:29 i think it's fine the way it is and i
56:31 say that in support of what you say not
56:33 in a disagreement
56:34 excellent
56:35 okay
56:39 uh quick show and nods and uh and
56:43 for what commissioner milligan had said
56:48 right excellent all right so
56:51 with that being concluded i guess now we
56:54 will move on to the
56:56 vote for the proposed amen or for the
57:00 proposed uh motion
57:03 so kristen do you want to go ahead and
57:04 open up for uh roll call vote
57:08 sure so this is kristin the motion on
57:09 the table is to
57:11 recommend approval of the proposed 2021
57:14 comprehensive plan and zoning map
57:16 amendments as presented and i will go
57:19 ahead and call roll commissioner lewis
57:25 mr milligan
57:27 aye
57:29 commissioner voice
57:33 mr monahan
57:37 commissioner zaragoza you're voting as a
57:40 regular member tonight hi
57:43 uh commissioner bader
57:46 and commissioner fall
57:49 the vote is approved unanimously 720.
57:55 okay excellent and so
57:57 we will close that out and
58:00 we will open up for reports
58:03 so christian are there any reports the
58:06 city would like to make tonight
58:09 i do not have any reports however
58:12 many valley wall is here
58:13 the community planning and development
58:15 director and she may have one
58:19 yeah good evening everyone
58:21 you know nothing major to report but i
58:23 just wanted to follow up with you uh all
58:25 um you know we discussed the trees
58:28 landscaping and open space uh
58:31 topics with you on september 9th
58:33 and we got a request from uh the
58:36 environmental board that they were they
58:37 wanted to participate in the discussions
58:39 so we had a meeting with them yesterday
58:42 um that we shared the information we had
58:44 presented to you and got some uh good
58:47 feedback from them so
58:49 on those topics
58:51 additionally um
58:54 parks department you know parks board
58:57 has another meeting coming up on october
58:59 25th that they want to have
59:02 a conversation about those topics get a
59:04 little bit better understanding and so
59:06 we're working on
59:07 uh presenting um you know giving them an
59:10 opportunity to ask questions uh and such
59:13 on those topics uh on october 25th so
59:16 all of this is going to get folded back
59:17 to you when you when we prepared the
59:19 draft uh document for you all to look at
59:21 but uh i just wanted to kind of let you
59:24 know that we are soliciting input
59:26 on those topics uh from other boards as
59:29 well
59:30 the
59:31 other thing i wanted to share was um on
59:34 title 18 we had an affinity group
59:36 meeting
59:37 on uh building and economic development
59:39 topics um
59:41 and in that we reached out to property
59:44 owners developers people that had
59:46 interacted with the city architects uh
59:49 and others
59:50 of their experiences
59:53 and their
59:55 points of view at a very high level
59:57 obviously we don't have the draft code
59:58 ready but uh parking was discussed and
1:00:01 you know there were multiple viewpoints
1:00:04 on parking what is the right parking
1:00:06 what is the impact of commercial spaces
1:00:08 so we're gathering all that
1:00:09 input and
1:00:11 we're going to prepare a summary of
1:00:12 those uh comments that we receive from
1:00:14 them and when we come to you with those
1:00:16 topics we will include that information
1:00:20 and the next on agenda for you all for
1:00:22 title 18 is zoning and land uses topic
1:00:26 that will bring
1:00:27 in a couple weeks on october 28th so
1:00:30 we're continuing to work on that
1:00:32 we've had some good conversations with
1:00:34 the title 18 ad hoc committee three
1:00:36 council members on zoning and uses and
1:00:39 received their feedback
1:00:41 so you will have some of their input in
1:00:43 when we bring that packet for your
1:00:44 discussion
1:00:46 so that's all i have uh kristen
1:00:50 i do have three other things sort of not
1:00:53 related to council reports that i'd like
1:00:54 to mention one is that i was thinking
1:00:56 during the meeting and i went back and i
1:00:58 double checked in the transportation
1:00:59 element i actually below the comp plan
1:01:02 policy number put the mobility master
1:01:04 plan number as well in parentheses i
1:01:06 will do the same thing for the climate
1:01:08 action plan and that will help it will
1:01:11 avoid some confusion
1:01:12 second we were supposed to hear goals
1:01:14 and policies on the storm water and
1:01:16 surface water master plan tonight for
1:01:18 personal reasons that had to be
1:01:20 postponed a bit but it's coming back on
1:01:21 december 2nd
1:01:23 and then title 18 you'll notice there
1:01:25 were no comments this time included we
1:01:26 didn't forget there weren't
1:01:29 but we've started receiving them again
1:01:30 so those will be in your next packet
1:01:32 okay just in case you're wondering
1:01:36 you all very much
1:01:42 i do have a question or a feedback thing
1:01:44 if um i don't know at what point in the
1:01:46 agenda we will have have that
1:01:48 opportunity i think this is a report
1:01:49 section so i can wait
1:01:52 uh well actually it's the next one so
1:01:54 other business and announcement so
1:01:56 minnie the floor is yours
1:01:58 thank you cheerful
1:01:59 um what i wanted to just get some
1:02:01 feedback on is um
1:02:04 you know as we're developing some of the
1:02:05 sustainability codes um
1:02:08 and looking at what will be helpful and
1:02:11 useful for the commissioners uh one of
1:02:14 the ideas we were exploring was perhaps
1:02:17 uh taking a look at
1:02:19 some sustainable buildings um you know
1:02:21 that have been built uh in essequa and
1:02:24 in the region uh bullet center is one of
1:02:27 them and they um arrange tours and some
1:02:30 so but they due to covert they limited
1:02:32 to about 10 people so we were wondering
1:02:35 if um
1:02:36 you all were interested in touring some
1:02:38 some buildings that are sustainable
1:02:41 those may be local ones because then you
1:02:43 can kind of see what a leed certified
1:02:45 means on the ground as you kind of
1:02:48 debate those discussions um
1:02:50 you know we had a good meeting with the
1:02:51 swedish folks and their buildings are
1:02:54 carbon neutral you know what do they
1:02:56 really mean and
1:02:57 and so that idea we're exploring but we
1:03:00 wanted to kind of get a sense from you
1:03:02 all if you were interested in a tour
1:03:05 and we we haven't figured out the
1:03:06 logistics so obviously if it's more than
1:03:08 four commissioners we have to do it and
1:03:10 uh notice i know there's a lot of
1:03:12 meetings on your agenda and with the
1:03:13 holidays coming up and all that um so
1:03:17 you know you don't have to answer us now
1:03:18 but if you can
1:03:20 or if you're ready to say if nod your
1:03:22 head or or say yes maybe
1:03:25 okay sounds like there is general
1:03:27 interest
1:03:28 um so we'll continue to develop that and
1:03:30 share with you some details um on when
1:03:33 and now it's getting darker earlier
1:03:36 you know winter is not really the great
1:03:38 time to be doing these but
1:03:40 if it it happens to be during is there a
1:03:43 general preference after the work day
1:03:50 if i might speak i would say our i guess
1:03:53 our planning policy time i don't know if
1:03:54 it's available for everybody but
1:03:58 6 p.m 6 30 p.m
1:04:00 i mean if we're talking local
1:04:03 we're all local
1:04:05 yeah it's just being outside in the dark
1:04:08 you know rainy weather is a little
1:04:11 tricky thing but um
1:04:13 okay so you you everyone prefers after
1:04:17 in the evening time frame it's it's
1:04:19 easier but if if the daytime is all
1:04:22 that's possible with some
1:04:23 [Music]
1:04:25 some early warning i can make it happen
1:04:29 i second that
1:04:31 i'm available after two
1:04:37 right so we'll we'll keep thinking of
1:04:39 that and and
1:04:41 share with you as we develop more
1:04:42 details
1:04:44 okay excellent
1:04:46 and with that uh
1:04:48 any other comments for the good or the
1:04:50 order before we close out
1:04:53 okay hearing none i'm going to go ahead
1:04:56 adjourn at 7 36.
1:05:01 another record
1:05:04 inside of an almost inside of an hour
1:05:08 i think it's like the fourth fourth
1:05:10 meeting we've had that's been inside of
1:05:11 an hour that's just amazing
1:05:13 just stick my marriage presenter and
1:05:15 you're guaranteed all right
1:05:17 and great job to kristen for presenting
1:05:19 all of this in in such a really good way
1:05:23 you know that goes a long ways it was
1:05:24 well presented and organized too and
1:05:27 very efficient discussion very good
1:05:29 points from you all
1:05:31 i looked at that pack and i thought
1:05:32 we're going to be here till midnight
1:05:36 all right well good night y'all thank
1:05:37 you very much for coming and have a
1:05:39 great weekend

Attendance

Council / Members (7)
Administration/Staff: Ron Faul
Christen Leeson
Senior Planner Jason Voiss
Minnie Dhaliwal
CP&D Director Joy Lewis Megan Curtis-Murphy
Sr. Sustainability Matt Monahan Coord. Nina Milligan Sara Bader Richard Zaragoza
Alternate (voting as regular member)