Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, September 23, 2021 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION Staff Liaison Christen Leeson, Senior About Planner Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Email policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides guidance and direction for Issaquah's future Regular Members growth through continued review and 2022 – Joy Lewis improvement to the City's Comprehensive Land 2022 – Matt Monahan Use Plan and related land use documents. 2022 – Jason Voiss 2022 – Vacant Membership 2023 – Nina Milligan The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2024 – Ron Faul seven regular members, with four-year terms; 2024 – Sara Bader and several alternates, with two-year terms. All members are appointed by the Mayor and Alternate Members subject to confirmation by the City Council. 2022 - Richard Zaragoza Terms expire April 30 of the year listed. For 2023 - Vacant more information, see IMC 18.03 and Rules & Regulations. Meetings Unless…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of Aug. 12, 2021

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 08-12-21 Planning Policy Commission Minutes Page [0000]

Minutes of Aug. 26, 2021

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Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Jul 22, 2021

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES b) 08-26-21 Planning Policy Commission/EB Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Planning Policy Commission and Environmental Board JOINT MEETING 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting August 26, 2021 MINUTES

Minutes of Sept. 9, 2021

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES c) 09-09-21 Planning Policy Commission—Park Page [0000] Board Minutes

5. REPORTS

Council Update

Christen Leeson, Senior Planner · packet pp.41–63

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Staff report:

9.02.21 – 9.15.21 Public Comment Update Natural Areas

Title 18 Code Update: Public Comments

Received · Minnie Dhaliwal, Director, Community Planning & Development

Topics: Land Use

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

The next meeting is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. on Oct. 14, 2021

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0:08 ↗ we have participants attending by

0:10 ↗ computer and others who may be attending

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0:17 ↗ name each time and before speaking

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0:26 ↗ such as a smartphone or tablet

0:28 ↗ and use the call-in information

0:31 ↗ located in the meeting invite

0:33 ↗ to call back into the meeting

0:36 ↗ uh tonight's ppc meeting is uh

0:39 ↗ for september 23rd

0:42 ↗ and at tonight's meeting we'll be

0:44 ↗ discussing the proposed climate change

0:46 ↗ goals policies and actions

0:49 ↗ uh the the goals and policies will be

0:51 ↗ incorporated into the land use elements

0:53 ↗ as part of the 2021 comprehensive plan

0:56 ↗ amendments and kristen would you like to

0:59 ↗ go ahead and

1:00 ↗ call roll

1:01 ↗ yes commissioner monahan

1:04 ↗ here

1:06 ↗ mr lewis

1:08 ↗ here mr milligan

1:11 ↗ here commissioner voice

1:14 ↗ here

1:15 ↗ mr bader

1:18 ↗ here

1:19 ↗ perfect timing commissioner zaragoza

1:22 ↗ here and chair fall

1:25 ↗ here all right all are present

1:27 ↗ excellent thank you

1:29 ↗ and now we'll move on to approval of the

1:31 ↗ minutes we have three separate mating

1:33 ↗ minutes so the first one is

1:36 ↗ um the minutes for august 12 2021 are

1:39 ↗ there any corrections to the august 12th

1:41 ↗ minutes provided in the agenda packet

1:46 ↗ hearing none the minutes are approved

1:48 ↗ the second set of minutes

1:51 ↗ for dated august 26 2021 are there any

1:54 ↗ corrections to the august 26 minutes

1:58 ↗ okay hearing none the minutes are

2:00 ↗ approved

2:02 ↗ uh the third set of minutes for

2:04 ↗ september 9th 2021 are there any

2:06 ↗ corrections to the september 9th minutes

2:10 ↗ okay

2:11 ↗ hearing none minutes are

2:14 ↗ approved

2:16 ↗ and now we'll move into public comment

2:18 ↗ so we'll open this up for public comment

2:20 ↗ uh kristen do we have anybody that would

2:22 ↗ like to

2:23 ↗ uh

2:26 ↗ make a comment today

2:27 ↗ no one has signed up to speak but we do

2:29 ↗ have one person who would like to speak

2:31 ↗ one moment please

2:34 ↗ ann fletcher

2:37 ↗ and you are a panelist and you are

2:39 ↗ unmuted you can turn on your camera if

2:40 ↗ you would like

2:44 ↗ all right can you hear me okay

2:46 ↗ yes

2:47 ↗ okay

2:50 ↗ um i'm ann fletcher uh resident and

2:53 ↗ people for climate action member

2:56 ↗ and uh wanted to just say tonight that

2:58 ↗ i'm really grateful for the progress

3:00 ↗ that's being made on the climate action

3:02 ↗ plan

3:03 ↗ and also the related comprehensive plan

3:06 ↗ policies

3:08 ↗ a lot of tremendous work's gone on

3:10 ↗ by everyone and the materials that were

3:13 ↗ provided or that always are provided

3:16 ↗ really give us an opportunity to give

3:18 ↗ constructive input

3:20 ↗ so i had a couple of comments one is i

3:22 ↗ was toggling back and forth between the

3:25 ↗ climate action plan

3:27 ↗ and matrix and then the comp plan land

3:30 ↗ use policy f

3:32 ↗ and uh it was a bit challenging to get

3:34 ↗ the connections between all of those

3:37 ↗ but it was really worth the time and

3:38 ↗ effort because it revealed to me some

3:41 ↗ important improvements to the policies

3:43 ↗ that i saw in there and a few possible

3:46 ↗ areas uh that might need to be looked at

3:49 ↗ again

3:50 ↗ so for the improvements um what i saw

3:52 ↗ was that the

3:54 ↗ policies are much clearer we know a lot

3:56 ↗ more about what we're doing in this area

3:59 ↗ and they're more specific actionable uh

4:01 ↗ than the current policies

4:03 ↗ i think they'll be more useful to the

4:05 ↗ city departments to guide them in their

4:07 ↗ plans and programs

4:09 ↗ and i think they reflect updates in

4:12 ↗ knowledge about how best to mitigate and

4:15 ↗ adapt to climate change

4:18 ↗ they expand on some really important

4:20 ↗ carbon emitters such as the buildings in

4:23 ↗ energy transportation and all the other

4:26 ↗ focus areas and they've added an area

4:29 ↗ for community resilience and well-being

4:31 ↗ so that's a great addition

4:33 ↗ um on the needs side

4:36 ↗ i

4:36 ↗ had a question about the

4:39 ↗ new building policies b1 through five

4:41 ↗ which are terrific

4:42 ↗ i wondered if they provided enough

4:44 ↗ direction on building standards

4:47 ↗ to prevent energy loss like having a

4:49 ↗ really tight building envelope um they

4:52 ↗ give a real clear message about the

4:54 ↗ transitioning to clean energy

4:57 ↗ sources in buildings but i wondered if

4:59 ↗ there was enough i found the words

5:01 ↗ advancing building decarbonization

5:05 ↗ and i wondered if those were adequate to

5:08 ↗ replace the comp plan policy f9 which

5:11 ↗ addresses all the whole carbon footprint

5:15 ↗ so that was one possible need um the

5:18 ↗ second one is in the new cap policy b6

5:22 ↗ about expanding local energy generation

5:25 ↗ consumption and storage

5:29 ↗ um i'd like to get a clarification on

5:31 ↗ the meaning of local there

5:33 ↗ um not sure exactly

5:36 ↗ where that stretches to and how the

5:38 ↗ policy relates to our utility company

5:41 ↗ um is pse considered are local or

5:45 ↗ regional

5:47 ↗ and then number three um the new cap

5:50 ↗ policy f1

5:52 ↗ uh established emergency systems for 50

5:55 ↗ of the community

5:57 ↗ i i think that might need a little

5:58 ↗ better definition uh it seems like it

6:02 ↗ would be a huge thing and then i got to

6:04 ↗ thinking well are these systems being

6:06 ↗ coordinated with the city's other

6:08 ↗ emergency plans

6:10 ↗ about natural disasters and maybe that

6:12 ↗ would

6:14 ↗ maybe that would uh

6:16 ↗ make make it more clear

6:18 ↗ um how that would all work

6:20 ↗ it seems to need a little more

6:22 ↗ definition and then the last thing

6:25 ↗ is should there be an additional cap

6:27 ↗ goal

6:28 ↗ maybe a policy g

6:31 ↗ about frequent monitoring and adjusting

6:33 ↗ climate plans strategies and actions

6:36 ↗ based on measurable targets

6:39 ↗ is there already an overarching city

6:42 ↗ requirement for that or should it be in

6:45 ↗ this in these policies

6:48 ↗ so that was what i had um on that and

6:50 ↗ the only other thing is i know you're

6:52 ↗ going to take a look at the climate

6:53 ↗ action

6:54 ↗ uh the actions in the climate action

6:56 ↗ plan and i've already given comment on

6:58 ↗ that to the environmental board and i

7:00 ↗ sent you um in my written comments i

7:03 ↗ sent you what i said to the

7:04 ↗ environmental board on that i just want

7:06 ↗ to point out a couple things real

7:08 ↗ quickly and one

7:09 ↗ is that when you look at the

7:12 ↗ uh

7:13 ↗ strategies and actions in isolation the

7:16 ↗ at a glance

7:17 ↗ i think it can seem really disjointed

7:19 ↗ and i i encourage people to look and

7:23 ↗ review the whole plans matrix with the

7:26 ↗ goals the targets and then each one

7:28 ↗ having its own actions and strategies

7:31 ↗ because then it puts everything in a

7:33 ↗ context

7:34 ↗ context

7:35 ↗ and that will help assess how well the

7:38 ↗ strategies and actions actually support

7:40 ↗ the measurable targets and how the targ

7:44 ↗ if the targets are sufficient to meet

7:46 ↗ the goal so it's going to be really

7:48 ↗ important in the implementation of the

7:49 ↗ plan that people look at that whole

7:51 ↗ thing and not get caught in the weeds of

7:53 ↗ the actions because those are going to

7:54 ↗ probably have to change uh if we have a

7:57 ↗ good monitoring system and adjust them

8:01 ↗ um so thank you very much uh for this

8:04 ↗ opportunity to talk again with you and

8:07 ↗ i'll be on listening to what all your

8:09 ↗ comments are thank you

8:16 ↗ guys i'm gonna

8:18 ↗ make you a an attendee again

8:21 ↗ and there is no one else here to speak

8:30 ↗ ron you're muted

8:34 ↗ that's one

8:36 ↗ okay sorry

8:38 ↗ we'll try to keep it to one no more than

8:39 ↗ one

8:40 ↗ um okay well thank you very much uh

8:42 ↗ kristen for the public comments and so

8:44 ↗ we'll go ahead and move over into the

8:47 ↗ regular business and mini dollar ball is

8:49 ↗ going to go ahead and give us our

8:50 ↗ presentation today

8:52 ↗ actually it's going to be megan miss

8:54 ↗ murphy oh sorry

8:59 ↗ go ahead the floor is yours

9:04 ↗ happy to have minnie jump in if she

9:06 ↗ wants to though of course

9:08 ↗ probably swallowed on that one oh no

9:11 ↗ on the spot

9:13 ↗ yes

9:14 ↗ well good evening everyone it's nice to

9:15 ↗ see you again i'm megan curtis murphy

9:18 ↗ the senior sustainability coordinator

9:20 ↗ for the city and i'm going to talk

9:22 ↗ continue our discussion from last time

9:23 ↗ talk about the climate action plan

9:26 ↗ going ahead to share my screen now

9:39 ↗ all right i will assume you all see that

9:41 ↗ unless someone tells me otherwise great

9:47 ↗ all right

9:48 ↗ so the purpose of the meeting this

9:49 ↗ evening is to provide an update on where

9:51 ↗ we are in the climate action plan

9:53 ↗ process uh next we're going to review

9:55 ↗ feedback that we received from the

9:57 ↗ community and how this has shaped the

9:59 ↗ development of the plan

10:00 ↗ and last we've made some changes to the

10:02 ↗ policies proposed for the comprehensive

10:04 ↗ plan i would like your feedback on those

10:06 ↗ tonight

10:09 ↗ to ensure the plan is responsive to the

10:11 ↗ issaquah community we've had many

10:13 ↗ opportunities for public engagement on

10:15 ↗ the plan including meetings with boards

10:17 ↗ and commissions focus groups a community

10:20 ↗ convening and an online survey

10:22 ↗ this month we're also bringing the draft

10:24 ↗ plan to the environmental board and a

10:26 ↗ council study session for their input

10:28 ↗ and then hosting a second community

10:30 ↗ convening on climate to get the public's

10:32 ↗ input next month

10:36 ↗ as you saw it was a busy summer and

10:38 ↗ here's just a closer look at how we've

10:40 ↗ engaged with the community to date

10:42 ↗ the survey was widely promoted and we

10:44 ↗ received about 300 responses from the

10:47 ↗ community

10:48 ↗ we also want to ensure we are hearing

10:49 ↗ from those who may not be as

10:51 ↗ traditionally engaged in the plan so we

10:53 ↗ hosted two focus groups as well

10:55 ↗ one with representatives from the

10:57 ↗ business community and one focused on

10:58 ↗ centering equity in the plan

11:02 ↗ as you saw in the packet we included a

11:04 ↗ detailed engagement summary that

11:06 ↗ highlights feedback received from each

11:07 ↗ of the engagement efforts

11:09 ↗ so this slide summarizes the overarching

11:12 ↗ feedback we've heard to date from many

11:13 ↗ of those meetings

11:15 ↗ overall our community has come together

11:17 ↗ wanting issaquah to make stronger

11:19 ↗ commitments towards climate action and

11:21 ↗ be a regional leader

11:23 ↗ in this work they want to see outreach

11:24 ↗ and educational opportunities and a

11:27 ↗ commitment towards advocacy and

11:28 ↗ partnership in the region

11:31 ↗ they also want these actions delivered

11:32 ↗ with a strong emphasis on equity and

11:34 ↗ accessibility and they want the actions

11:36 ↗ to have multiple benefits and include

11:38 ↗ affordability

11:40 ↗ our community has also spoken towards

11:42 ↗ concern over what a changing climate

11:44 ↗ looks like for us aqua

11:45 ↗ citing impacts such as wildfires and

11:47 ↗ smoke extreme heat water availability

11:51 ↗ flooding and power outages

11:53 ↗ there's also been attention for the plan

11:55 ↗ to address the challenges of unintended

11:57 ↗ consequences the unique to topography of

12:00 ↗ issaquah and the city's funding and

12:02 ↗ capacity to execute a comprehensive

12:04 ↗ climate action plan

12:07 ↗ so based on this feedback we've made a

12:08 ↗ few significant changes to the icap

12:11 ↗ we added a cross-cutting climate actions

12:14 ↗ focus area which includes strategies

12:16 ↗ focused on community education outreach

12:19 ↗ the city leading by example

12:21 ↗ advocacy for state and federal climate

12:23 ↗ policies and regional collaboration

12:25 ↗ partnerships

12:27 ↗ next we prioritize actions in the

12:29 ↗ natural systems and community resilience

12:31 ↗ focus areas that have ecosystem health

12:34 ↗ and public health and safety co-benefits

12:37 ↗ we prioritize actions with the most

12:39 ↗ potential to reduce

12:41 ↗ greenhouse gas emissions in the

12:42 ↗ buildings in energy and transportation

12:44 ↗ land use focus areas

12:46 ↗ and we also add action to building

12:48 ↗ energy that specifically focuses on

12:50 ↗ advocating for increased electricity

12:52 ↗ grid reliability

12:54 ↗ finally we're working to identify and

12:56 ↗ mitigate against unintended consequences

12:59 ↗ of these actions as part of the

13:00 ↗ implementation planning

13:04 ↗ this slide provides more specific

13:06 ↗ feedback that we heard across the focus

13:08 ↗ areas on how to prioritize emission

13:10 ↗ reductions

13:12 ↗ so first starting with the buildings in

13:14 ↗ energy as this is one of the largest

13:15 ↗ opportunities for us to reduce our

13:17 ↗ emissions

13:18 ↗ we heard that solar ready all electric

13:20 ↗ and energy efficient new buildings are

13:22 ↗ important

13:23 ↗ we also heard retrofitting and existing

13:25 ↗ homes for existing homes and buildings

13:28 ↗ and expanding renewable energy options

13:30 ↗ is important

13:32 ↗ we've heard lots of support for

13:33 ↗ reduction in transportation through

13:35 ↗ expansion of a multimodal transportation

13:37 ↗ system

13:38 ↗ promoting telework and carpooling and

13:41 ↗ transitioning to electric vehicles

13:44 ↗ the next discuss priorities land use and

13:47 ↗ this fits into the code updates with

13:48 ↗ priorities around creating denser

13:51 ↗ mixed-use transit-oriented developments

13:53 ↗ diversifying building mix and

13:55 ↗ prioritizing missing building missing

13:57 ↗ mild housing

13:59 ↗ and requiring lead or a comparable

14:01 ↗ standard building through a menu-based

14:03 ↗ approach

14:05 ↗ for materials and consumption we've

14:07 ↗ heard that eliminating food waste is

14:09 ↗ important as well as promoting recycling

14:11 ↗ composting sustainable consumption and

14:13 ↗ zero waste

14:17 ↗ this slide provides some of the specific

14:18 ↗ feedback we heard around actions that

14:20 ↗ related to climate resilience and

14:22 ↗ adaptation

14:24 ↗ for community resilience we heard to

14:26 ↗ center the most vulnerable members of

14:28 ↗ the community

14:29 ↗ to plan for climate emergencies and

14:31 ↗ educate the community

14:33 ↗ and to increase resilience of the energy

14:34 ↗ grid

14:36 ↗ for natural systems the community wants

14:38 ↗ to see expansion of the tree canopy and

14:40 ↗ sequestration opportunities

14:42 ↗ protecting the health of riparian areas

14:44 ↗ ecosystems and habitats

14:46 ↗ and promoting native and low water use

14:49 ↗ plants and removing invasive species

14:52 ↗ regarding water the feedback centered on

14:54 ↗ conserving and reusing water especially

14:56 ↗ in outdoor use going above and beyond

14:59 ↗ ecology storm water management and

15:01 ↗ storage requirements

15:02 ↗ and preserving water quality especially

15:05 ↗ in riparian areas

15:09 ↗ so since our last meeting we've been

15:10 ↗ working to implement feedback into the

15:12 ↗ plan in response to what we've heard

15:14 ↗ from the community

15:16 ↗ first and foremost this has been done

15:18 ↗ through developing the draft climate

15:19 ↗ action plan including the full list of

15:21 ↗ actions that show how the city will

15:23 ↗ implement the policies and achieve the

15:25 ↗ stated goals

15:27 ↗ one of the things we heard in the last

15:29 ↗ ppc meeting was i want to see more of

15:31 ↗ the detail behind what the policies

15:33 ↗ would include

15:35 ↗ i hope that the draft climate action

15:37 ↗ plan

15:38 ↗ provides some of this detail with

15:40 ↗ listing all the actions under the

15:42 ↗ corresponding policies

15:44 ↗ in addition we made several changes to

15:46 ↗ the policies themselves that were

15:48 ↗ reviewed by the board at the last ppc

15:50 ↗ meeting

15:52 ↗ this includes and this is available in

15:54 ↗ the attachment a so this includes adding

15:57 ↗ language to highlight partnering in the

15:58 ↗ region and advocating for regional and

16:00 ↗ statewide policies

16:03 ↗ removing jargon like active

16:04 ↗ transportation to make the plan more

16:06 ↗ digestible

16:08 ↗ we updated the waste diversion target to

16:10 ↗ be more reachable

16:12 ↗ so currently in issaquah around 42

16:15 ↗ percent of our total waste is diverted

16:17 ↗ to the landfill

16:18 ↗ king county has a target to have zero

16:20 ↗ waste of resources by 2030 whereas

16:23 ↗ several of our neighboring jurisdictions

16:25 ↗ such as redmond and kirkland have a goal

16:27 ↗ of 70 of waste diverted from the

16:29 ↗ landfill

16:31 ↗ and that 70 percent is generally

16:32 ↗ considered to be a bit more realistic

16:34 ↗ than zero waste of resources

16:36 ↗ but of course the city will continue to

16:38 ↗ monitor this work towards

16:40 ↗ reducing waste first and then working on

16:43 ↗ diverting waste from the landfill

16:46 ↗ another area we heard a lot from the

16:48 ↗ community on was the tree canopy goal

16:51 ↗ so originally we were proposing to keep

16:53 ↗ it at the 50 percent but have now worked

16:56 ↗ to increase it to 55 percent to be both

16:58 ↗ responsive to the community's desire for

17:00 ↗ a higher target as well as understanding

17:03 ↗ the current landscape of our city

17:06 ↗ according to the 2019 tree canopy study

17:09 ↗ only about 16 of the city was identified

17:12 ↗ as possible planting area but many of

17:14 ↗ those areas may not actually be suitable

17:17 ↗ for planting due to steep slopes views

17:20 ↗ soil quality or other limitations such

17:23 ↗ as impervious surface

17:26 ↗ and at the same time we recognize the

17:27 ↗ implementation of this increased target

17:30 ↗ will need to occur in several areas

17:32 ↗ so we need to be a mix of code updates

17:35 ↗ including updating the tree code in

17:36 ↗ title 18 which i know this group is

17:38 ↗ working on

17:40 ↗ uh second it'll be part of implementing

17:42 ↗ the park strategic plan and the

17:44 ↗ continuation of forest management tree

17:46 ↗ planting and maintenance programs as

17:49 ↗ well as the funding and capacity to

17:51 ↗ continue doing those

17:53 ↗ and thirdly through private tree

17:55 ↗ planting and maintenance efforts as well

17:57 ↗ and so the climate action plan includes

18:00 ↗ actions related to each of those three

18:01 ↗ areas

18:04 ↗ and overall it'll be important to

18:05 ↗ consider not just the total number of

18:07 ↗ trees but also the right tree in the

18:09 ↗ right place so we're not just replacing

18:12 ↗ one large tree with one smaller tree as

18:14 ↗ we've heard from the community so we

18:16 ↗ need to be considering all the benefits

18:17 ↗ trees provide for people or fish or wild

18:20 ↗ or wildlife in our climate

18:23 ↗ the last change that was made was to

18:25 ↗ update the target for community

18:26 ↗ resilience and well-being around climate

18:28 ↗ emergency readiness

18:33 ↗ so all these updates were integrated

18:35 ↗ into the six focus areas of the plan

18:37 ↗ that are seen on this slide

18:39 ↗ we reviewed the goals and policies under

18:41 ↗ each of these focus areas at the last

18:43 ↗ meeting and the changes made are

18:45 ↗ outlined in attachment a in the packet

18:50 ↗ so with the action level detail that was

18:52 ↗ provided in the draft climate action

18:53 ↗ plan and this updated list of policies

18:56 ↗ we're hoping to get input on the

18:58 ↗ following policy question

19:00 ↗ do these goals and policies align with

19:02 ↗ the land use element in guiding

19:04 ↗ issaquah's future development

19:09 ↗ and to wrap up our discussion i want to

19:11 ↗ provide you with the next steps in the

19:12 ↗ plan

19:13 ↗ since we're updating the climate

19:14 ↗ policies and working on finalizing the

19:17 ↗ climate action plan there's two pathways

19:19 ↗ for those

19:20 ↗ so the first is for the climate goals

19:22 ↗ and policies to be incorporated into the

19:24 ↗ 2021 comprehensive plan updates this

19:27 ↗ will go to a public hearing in october a

19:30 ↗ study session in november and then

19:32 ↗ adopted by council in december

19:35 ↗ the second pathway is for the climate

19:36 ↗ action plan itself so for the plan we

19:39 ↗ have a council study session next week

19:41 ↗ another community convening to review

19:44 ↗ the draft plan in october and then a

19:46 ↗ final meeting with the environmental

19:48 ↗ board and then council for adoption in

19:50 ↗ december

19:53 ↗ so thank you for your time this evening

19:55 ↗ and i'm happy to answer any questions

19:58 ↗ on the proposed goals and policies

20:07 ↗ okay and thank you very much uh making

20:09 ↗ curtis murphy

20:10 ↗ so let's go ahead and open it up to uh

20:13 ↗ commissioner

20:14 ↗ questions

20:16 ↗ and open the chat if you have any

20:18 ↗ questions please post them now

20:24 ↗ and the first question is from jason

20:25 ↗ voice you have the floor

20:29 ↗ thank you chair foul and thank you miss

20:32 ↗ curtis murphy so just two points of

20:33 ↗ clarification i think on b1 it says

20:36 ↗ decrease energy use

20:38 ↗ um the def

20:39 ↗ energy is obviously a pretty big term

20:42 ↗ does that also include electricity so i

20:44 ↗ think a little bit more

20:46 ↗ explanation there and then c3 it says

20:48 ↗ the city will help facilitate

20:50 ↗ what does that mean

20:52 ↗ those are my just top two right off the

20:54 ↗ bat

20:58 ↗ sure the first one um so with energy we

21:02 ↗ use that term for including both

21:04 ↗ electricity and natural gas

21:06 ↗ um so

21:07 ↗ we could we could um you know maybe look

21:10 ↗ at adding that to the definitions

21:12 ↗ section just so that's a little bit more

21:13 ↗ clear of what exactly we're we're

21:15 ↗ talking about there

21:17 ↗ um and the second one

21:19 ↗ um i need to pull that up

21:21 ↗ you said it was which one was it b

21:25 ↗ uh c3

21:26 ↗ c3

21:32 ↗ um so i think that can mean a few

21:34 ↗ different things so i'm thinking about

21:35 ↗ some of the actions under it um so

21:38 ↗ you know facilitating the transition to

21:40 ↗ electric vehicles so that could be um

21:43 ↗ putting in more charging stations

21:44 ↗ themselves that could be

21:46 ↗ um promoting incentives that come out

21:49 ↗ through the state um so the city may not

21:51 ↗ be providing like financial incentives

21:53 ↗ themselves but we might

21:55 ↗ do like an outreach campaign around

21:58 ↗ incentives that are available

22:00 ↗ so it's just taking a couple different

22:02 ↗ pathways and how we can

22:04 ↗ try to get more people into electric

22:07 ↗ vehicles

22:15 ↗ okay and thank you

22:17 ↗ uh next question is from

22:20 ↗ joy joy you have the floor

22:23 ↗ thank you chair fall commissioner joy

22:25 ↗ lewis here um i do want a point of uh

22:28 ↗ correction chair fall would you like all

22:30 ↗ of us to have all of our comments right

22:32 ↗ now the climate action plan are you

22:34 ↗ planning on going through for instance

22:36 ↗ abc and then giving our feedback that

22:39 ↗ way

22:46 ↗ this question is for our chairs how you

22:47 ↗ would like to receive comments right now

22:49 ↗ at this time

22:50 ↗ sorry i was answering your question but

22:52 ↗ i was on mute again at three

22:55 ↗ oh my gosh

22:57 ↗ i hate when people keep track

22:59 ↗ uh let's go ahead and have all the

23:01 ↗ comments at the same time tonight

23:03 ↗ because the the way the presentation's

23:05 ↗ set up we can do that

23:07 ↗ as opposed to previous commission

23:09 ↗ meetings so all

23:10 ↗ comments will be made at the same time

23:14 ↗ okay

23:15 ↗ i want to start off by saying a huge

23:17 ↗ thank you

23:18 ↗ the way that this message was presented

23:20 ↗ to us the refinement of materials and

23:22 ↗ had a good flow

23:24 ↗ it was had a good readability um i

23:26 ↗ really enjoyed the document we had

23:28 ↗ tonight and i could see huge

23:31 ↗ improvements and a lot of work that went

23:32 ↗ into it so i want to start by saying

23:34 ↗ thank you to everybody involved members

23:35 ↗ of the community our staff

23:37 ↗ um

23:38 ↗ so uh that's the first thing um is that

23:41 ↗ this um climate action plan i think is

23:43 ↗ really what we were looking for the last

23:45 ↗ time we met this summer um hoping to get

23:47 ↗ that kind of feedback and so i feel like

23:49 ↗ we're at a really good place to actually

23:50 ↗ start having discussions about some of

23:52 ↗ these things because they're actually

23:53 ↗ down on paper we have a much better idea

23:55 ↗ of what's going on so

23:57 ↗ i really like the integration of

23:58 ↗ feedback

23:59 ↗ i can see a very real world examples of

24:01 ↗ that coming through on it so i want to

24:03 ↗ say thank you for that um

24:05 ↗ my first question is about the meeting

24:07 ↗ on 10 14

24:09 ↗ is that going to be before us or before

24:11 ↗ council

24:14 ↗ the next steps

24:17 ↗ that is the

24:18 ↗ um

24:20 ↗ i believe kristin that is the ppc public

24:22 ↗ hearing on the comprehensive plan

24:24 ↗ amendment i believe it was but i wasn't

24:26 ↗ wanting to speak out of place so before

24:28 ↗ that happens i would like to have some

24:31 ↗ type of additional meeting for

24:33 ↗ the community groups to be able to not

24:36 ↗ just be submitting email comments on

24:38 ↗ this i would like the city to be

24:39 ↗ actually receiving input now that we

24:42 ↗ have some more concrete policies in

24:44 ↗ place before we go to review this i

24:46 ↗ would like to basically have another

24:47 ↗ iteration of this draft in place or at

24:50 ↗ least be able to have concrete feedback

24:52 ↗ from the various groups that we've been

24:54 ↗ working with to say hey you've gotten a

24:56 ↗ more updated draft review where are you

24:58 ↗ guys at on this how do you feel what is

25:00 ↗ your feedback um to be able to allow for

25:02 ↗ us to have a more um a more detailed

25:05 ↗ refined and better touch on this when we

25:08 ↗ see it on the 14th rather than for

25:10 ↗ instance if when we see it next it's

25:11 ↗ just here the email comments we've

25:13 ↗ gotten and it's kind of at the same

25:14 ↗ place right i'd like to see this

25:16 ↗ document grow and change with community

25:18 ↗ response to the details we have now on

25:21 ↗ that um

25:23 ↗ right i'll start with on page 35 where

25:25 ↗ it has our general priorities and

25:27 ↗ concerns i think some language needs to

25:30 ↗ be added there for instance on the

25:31 ↗ general i think there needs to be a

25:32 ↗ collaboration in the region that

25:34 ↗ includes building standards that needs

25:36 ↗ to be called out

25:37 ↗ um i also think in the priorities and

25:40 ↗ equity it needs to be called out that

25:41 ↗ those that have the reduced capacity to

25:43 ↗ implement retrofitting requirements

25:46 ↗ and i'd like to see language and the

25:47 ↗ concerns that injury that addresses

25:49 ↗ increased flood patterns and the

25:51 ↗ reliability of the grid

25:53 ↗ um

25:54 ↗ so i think that in that page 35 there's

25:56 ↗ some additions to language that need to

25:59 ↗ be included we talk a lot about um

26:02 ↗ the ability to have all of our documents

26:05 ↗ working well together right so as we're

26:07 ↗ working on stormwater management as

26:09 ↗ we're working on our pieces having to do

26:11 ↗ with title 18 right we refer to other

26:13 ↗ things so it's important that this

26:15 ↗ document really be a supporting document

26:18 ↗ to the other pieces that we're

26:19 ↗ referencing right

26:20 ↗ so um

26:22 ↗ trey canopy is is a good example right

26:25 ↗ um so there needs to be a clear

26:27 ↗ direction from an environmental standard

26:29 ↗ that says for instance the

26:31 ↗ desire for height versus depth and that

26:34 ↗ valuation of our tree canopy um as a

26:36 ↗ direction um and that needs a further

26:38 ↗ deep dive right now in my opinion so um

26:41 ↗ as we look up at other things i'd like

26:43 ↗ to see this document have some pretty

26:45 ↗ clear direction that right now i think

26:47 ↗ it's missing

26:48 ↗ um for instance a connection with health

26:50 ↗ and wellness i think is missing um

26:52 ↗ and specifically calling out a ban on

26:54 ↗ chemicals um

26:56 ↗ you know climate resiliency also means

26:58 ↗ stopping the use of chemicals

26:59 ↗ insecticides and i'd like to see that

27:02 ↗ reflected

27:03 ↗ better in this document

27:04 ↗ um i'm going to bring everybody to part

27:07 ↗ e natural systems and water resources

27:10 ↗ um

27:11 ↗ for part four i would like to see a

27:13 ↗ mention of species that can adapt to

27:15 ↗ drier and a warmer climate

27:18 ↗ um and uh and use of a managed landscape

27:22 ↗ standards again this is because i have a

27:24 ↗ little sneak peek on title 18 so being

27:27 ↗ able to have this document help guide

27:29 ↗ our work in other places is vitally

27:31 ↗ important so um when we say hey

27:34 ↗ yep we're working on this part we need

27:36 ↗ everybody harmony and having the same

27:38 ↗ kind of messaging so i'd like to see

27:39 ↗ that kind of language um

27:42 ↗ in a prioritization on solutions

27:45 ↗ like the planting of appropriate

27:46 ↗ vegetation and rebuilding creek beds and

27:48 ↗ riparian corridors

27:50 ↗ i'm not seeing language on that but i

27:52 ↗ think it's important to really hit home

27:56 ↗ chair i promise i only have one more

27:57 ↗ section left and that's part f

28:00 ↗ grid resiliency um

28:02 ↗ i think that that could be mentioned in

28:04 ↗ the concerns area when we talk about f1

28:07 ↗ um i think that this actually has a huge

28:09 ↗ capability

28:10 ↗ part f alone i i think our commission

28:12 ↗ can speak for two hours about so i don't

28:14 ↗ want to take up a lot of time but i

28:16 ↗ think that there needs to be quite a bit

28:17 ↗ of discussion that goes into this um

28:20 ↗ so

28:21 ↗ for instance i think you could step part

28:23 ↗ step back to part c and talk about you

28:25 ↗ know what does multi-modal

28:26 ↗ transportation look like in emergencies

28:28 ↗ we're putting a lot of bags into the

28:30 ↗ basket of saying let's not have any

28:32 ↗ single single car rides but

28:34 ↗ as we're in right now it's often a

28:36 ↗ public health and safety issue

28:39 ↗ to be having multimodal transportation

28:41 ↗ so i think that's something that needs

28:42 ↗ to be addressed um

28:45 ↗ and i'd like to see a further discussion

28:47 ↗ into policy directions for the code

28:49 ↗ revisions right so a lot of times on our

28:51 ↗ um

28:53 ↗ from where we sit we need to have very

28:55 ↗ strict standards to be able to start

28:57 ↗ saying how is it that we want to have an

28:59 ↗ impact in the code

29:00 ↗ so you know an example could be emitting

29:02 ↗ natural gas from all new buildings by

29:04 ↗ 2023 right but i need to see

29:07 ↗ exact policy discretion about how we can

29:11 ↗ use our code

29:12 ↗ to get the changes that we're looking

29:14 ↗ for and i'm not seeing that right now um

29:17 ↗ it helps us to do that that kind of

29:19 ↗ double check on what we're doing with

29:21 ↗ title 18 so

29:22 ↗ thank you for listening to the comments

29:26 ↗ this is megan i just had a clarification

29:29 ↗ point on that

29:30 ↗ um so thank you for the comments um so

29:34 ↗ you mentioned wanting to have another

29:35 ↗ opportunity for public input before the

29:38 ↗ meeting on the 14th

29:40 ↗ so we will be going to council study

29:42 ↗ session next week

29:45 ↗ on tuesday so that would be an

29:46 ↗ opportunity for members of the public

29:49 ↗ to come and speak to that meeting in

29:51 ↗ response to the um the goals and the

29:55 ↗ policies as well as the actions at that

29:57 ↗ time

29:58 ↗ um and then we'd have another community

30:00 ↗ convening and that is it later in

30:02 ↗ october but there is that council

30:04 ↗ meeting that would be before the hearing

30:06 ↗ on the 14th

30:09 ↗ yes i did see on the 20th the community

30:11 ↗ convening and what i'm hoping is that in

30:13 ↗ some way that stakeholders um are able

30:16 ↗ to be alerted and notified and so

30:18 ↗ whether that happens in the study work

30:20 ↗ session for council or whether there's

30:21 ↗ not time for that on their agenda and it

30:23 ↗ needs to be a separate one that before

30:25 ↗ we see this

30:26 ↗ on the 14th right so this community

30:28 ↗ community is going to be happening after

30:30 ↗ and what i'm afraid of is that we're

30:31 ↗ going to be sent

30:33 ↗ effectively of the same packet

30:35 ↗ that may have some email comments from

30:37 ↗ the public and what i'd like to see is

30:39 ↗ that this is a fantastic draft but it's

30:41 ↗ also still in process i'd like when we

30:44 ↗ touch it again to be able to have it

30:45 ↗ further down that road was the comments

30:47 ↗ that i was trying to say

30:49 ↗ if possible

30:53 ↗ this is megan i'm i'm thinking about it

30:56 ↗ a little bit more out loud here um so

30:58 ↗ i'm trying to get an invitation out for

31:00 ↗ the convening

31:02 ↗ sooner rather than later but that date

31:03 ↗ has

31:04 ↗ been pretty firm in what we want to do

31:06 ↗ um

31:07 ↗ but i'm hoping maybe i can get it out

31:09 ↗ before

31:10 ↗ the council study session and alert them

31:13 ↗ to the fact that it's that the plan

31:15 ↗ would be going to council study session

31:17 ↗ first

31:18 ↗ um

31:19 ↗ and then so they would have an

31:20 ↗ opportunity to come to that and then the

31:21 ↗ convening later as well that would be

31:23 ↗ great because what that does is it just

31:25 ↗ it's that enabling of more voices to be

31:27 ↗ having more eyes on this as we touch and

31:29 ↗ refine and make this document better so

31:31 ↗ that would be great i will try my best

31:33 ↗ to get that out before that meeting

31:38 ↗ okay thank you very much commissioner

31:40 ↗ lewis uh so i also have a question but

31:43 ↗ rather i'll go last so i see that

31:46 ↗ there's two other commissioners that

31:47 ↗ have questions so

31:48 ↗ next one up would be matt monahan ron

31:51 ↗ would you mind if i jumped in here

31:52 ↗ really quickly sure so asking megan to

31:55 ↗ do this earlier than already planned is

31:57 ↗ kind of a lot and i know she's going to

31:58 ↗ try um

32:00 ↗ if that can't happen

32:02 ↗ does the commission i mean

32:04 ↗ this one person has spoken but how how

32:07 ↗ does the rest of the commission feel if

32:08 ↗ that can't happen

32:10 ↗ in which you get our comments from the

32:11 ↗ city council

32:13 ↗ on the 28th and hopefully the public as

32:15 ↗ well on the 28th

32:17 ↗ the council will have your comments

32:21 ↗ megan will present those comments to the

32:22 ↗ council

32:23 ↗ and hopefully the public will be there

32:25 ↗ if megan is unable to do that

32:27 ↗ our public hearing has to be held on

32:29 ↗ october 14th

32:30 ↗ so if the council is unable to do that

32:33 ↗ are you okay making a recommendation i

32:35 ↗ mean if megan's unable to do that are

32:37 ↗ you okay making a recommendation i'd

32:38 ↗ love to hear from the rest of you

32:47 ↗ megan it's already been through it's

32:49 ↗ been one it's been through one community

32:50 ↗ convening

32:52 ↗ it's been to the environmental board

32:54 ↗ i don't know how many times it's been to

32:56 ↗ council once

32:59 ↗ it's been to the environmental board two

33:01 ↗ times um

33:03 ↗ economic vitality commission

33:05 ↗ two focus groups a convening

33:08 ↗ and ppc previously

33:11 ↗ once

33:15 ↗ as well as the survey

33:16 ↗ it's not to speak out of turn but this

33:18 ↗ is the first time that we've seen this

33:20 ↗ document so i can't so while we've all

33:23 ↗ worked on this and a lot of people have

33:24 ↗ put their voices into it what i'm

33:26 ↗ talking about is this current draft

33:29 ↗ has everybody you just mentioned seen

33:31 ↗ the draft and already made comments on

33:33 ↗ the way we have i don't think so right

33:35 ↗ this is the first time we've saw it i

33:37 ↗ think it would be a different situation

33:38 ↗ if we had seen this document when we met

33:40 ↗ previously in the summer what my desire

33:43 ↗ is is that when we

33:45 ↗ look at this again in front of our

33:48 ↗ our workload is that we are seeing an

33:50 ↗ updated draft based on comments that

33:52 ↗ people have been able to make not just

33:54 ↗ in emails direct to the city but been

33:57 ↗ able to actually apply in real time as

33:59 ↗ this

34:00 ↗ very well tuned and needs to continue to

34:02 ↗ be refined document is from

34:05 ↗ necessary stakeholders

34:17 ↗ many

34:18 ↗ yeah i was wondering if um you know we

34:20 ↗ can separate out the golden policies

34:22 ↗ part from the climate action plan

34:25 ↗ totally i mean what needs to happen on

34:27 ↗ the 14th is for the comprehensive plan

34:29 ↗ which is just the additional gold and

34:31 ↗ policies piece and then there's a lot of

34:34 ↗ information about the actions and and

34:36 ↗ those kind of things that

34:37 ↗ uh i think maybe is is the the split

34:40 ↗ between the two

34:42 ↗ um as you'd all discuss in terms of the

34:44 ↗ next steps uh perhaps breaking it up

34:47 ↗ into you know are you okay with golden

34:49 ↗ policies language you may have more

34:52 ↗ additional feedback or desire for the

34:53 ↗ rest of the document

34:59 ↗ that's that's actually a really

35:01 ↗ important topic so let's discuss it uh

35:05 ↗ any commissioner's

35:07 ↗ thoughts on this

35:11 ↗ before i call on you

35:14 ↗ jeff well i'll go i'm okay with the

35:17 ↗ goals and policies moving forward our

35:19 ↗ city has been very actively involved as

35:21 ↗ far as climate change um but i also do

35:24 ↗ like what commissioner lewis has to say

35:26 ↗ this document is going to touch on a lot

35:28 ↗ of different areas and the more

35:30 ↗ that we can refine it the better

35:32 ↗ so if we can split them up just like

35:34 ↗ miss dollywall had just said i think

35:36 ↗ that's good i think like i said let that

35:38 ↗ one piece go to city council and let's

35:40 ↗ keep refining the other one

35:48 ↗ mr milligan

35:50 ↗ comment

35:53 ↗ well you know as i was looking at the

35:55 ↗ schedule

35:58 ↗ if yeah if we can parcel out

36:01 ↗ the section that we're actually voting

36:02 ↗ on in the uh on the 14th for the public

36:05 ↗ hearing so that we have a spine on the

36:07 ↗ document as we can

36:09 ↗ for the public hearing because it's kind

36:11 ↗ of responsibility that we

36:13 ↗ carry out i think that would serve the

36:15 ↗ needs that have been expressed i didn't

36:17 ↗ have that many concerns about the

36:18 ↗ schedule in the first place but that's a

36:20 ↗ nice refinement

36:24 ↗ excellent uh okay

36:26 ↗ i've got matt uh richard and sarah so

36:30 ↗ either of you have any comments you'd

36:32 ↗ like to make go ahead uh

36:34 ↗ commissioner zergozo

36:36 ↗ thank you chair um i think if if we can

36:38 ↗ see it again that's great if we can

36:41 ↗ split it up that's great

36:43 ↗ those things not being possible i think

36:46 ↗ it should move forward

36:49 ↗ that's it

36:53 ↗ okay

36:54 ↗ and uh go ahead commissioner monahan i

36:57 ↗ just agree with what richard just said

36:59 ↗ 100

37:03 ↗ i also agree uh commissioner bader yeah

37:06 ↗ for me having not kind of gone through

37:08 ↗ this process as many times as the rest

37:10 ↗ of you i

37:12 ↗ sounds good to me and i trust you all so

37:15 ↗ excellent all right

37:17 ↗ okay so minnie do you have enough to go

37:21 ↗ forward

37:24 ↗ christian do you um or megan

37:27 ↗ do you guys feel like you that that

37:29 ↗ makes sense

37:30 ↗ it does i think that's up to megan but

37:32 ↗ yes i mean the only thing that we talk

37:34 ↗ about that they vote on or make a

37:36 ↗ recommendation on are the goals and

37:37 ↗ policies the actions are in the are in

37:39 ↗ the plan itself

37:41 ↗ um which recommendation is actually made

37:43 ↗ by the environmental board

37:46 ↗ not the not the planning policy

37:47 ↗ commission

37:48 ↗ so um

37:50 ↗ are you good with that megan

37:52 ↗ yes thank you

37:54 ↗ thank you

37:58 ↗ okay and then now we'll go to a question

38:01 ↗ from uh commissioner monahan

38:05 ↗ thank you chair i'm matt monaghan uh two

38:07 ↗ questions um one relating to e1 and one

38:10 ↗ relating to f1

38:12 ↗ um megan you touched on it a little bit

38:14 ↗ in your presentation but i'd like you to

38:15 ↗ expound a little bit on why we think 55

38:18 ↗ is the right number we talked a lot

38:20 ↗ about in the prior meeting about 50 not

38:23 ↗ being the right number i just like to

38:24 ↗ understand why we landed on 55 and then

38:27 ↗ an f1 and i believe ann fletcher had

38:30 ↗ raised this in her very helpful i think

38:32 ↗ it was in her email about f1

38:35 ↗ when we talk about emergency systems

38:36 ↗ that serve 50 percent of isaac's

38:38 ↗ population

38:39 ↗ are we talking about emergency services

38:41 ↗ that are solely related to climate

38:43 ↗ um

38:44 ↗ related activities or does it is it all

38:46 ↗ encompassing

38:50 ↗ thank you

38:51 ↗ this is megan thank you for the

38:52 ↗ questions um with the tree canopy goal

38:55 ↗ um so as you know we've been talking a

38:58 ↗ lot about

38:59 ↗ trees with title 18 and overall tree

39:01 ↗ canopy and through this process with the

39:03 ↗ climate action plan i think it's been a

39:05 ↗ really great opportunity over the past

39:07 ↗ few months for the public to

39:10 ↗ be thinking about it more hearing about

39:12 ↗ it more and having opportunities to

39:14 ↗ voice their opinions on it and so we

39:16 ↗ heard that the community does want to

39:20 ↗ have some sort of entry increase tree

39:22 ↗ canopy but with that we heard it's not

39:25 ↗ just all about tree canopy you know it's

39:27 ↗ really about wanting to make sure that

39:29 ↗ we have

39:30 ↗ trees that are going to be providing um

39:33 ↗ all the benefits that they need to

39:34 ↗ including carbon sequestration related

39:36 ↗ to climate but also

39:38 ↗ um

39:39 ↗ you know wanting to focus them in

39:42 ↗ riparian areas so that they can provide

39:45 ↗ shade for fish and just a lot of

39:46 ↗ thoughts on

39:48 ↗ the types of trees and all of that so

39:50 ↗ have those details need to be

39:53 ↗ you know more in

39:55 ↗ the code for for the tree replacement

39:57 ↗ ones and then also parks departments

39:59 ↗ thinking about all of that and the trees

40:00 ↗ that they plant

40:02 ↗ so through that conversation we heard

40:04 ↗ really wanting to have an increase in

40:06 ↗ tree canopy but also wanting to really

40:08 ↗ focus on keeping the healthy trees that

40:10 ↗ we have

40:12 ↗ so with that dual focus

40:14 ↗ we thought 55 would be an appropriate

40:16 ↗ number

40:17 ↗ with that longer term

40:19 ↗ scale of the 25 or sorry by 55 by 2035.

40:25 ↗ um we do have some development in the

40:27 ↗ city now um we are going to be uh we're

40:30 ↗ planting lots of trees we planted 10 000

40:33 ↗ trees last year we're continuing to

40:34 ↗ plant trees so it's not you know every

40:36 ↗ year um you know the canopy what it is

40:40 ↗ you know it it will change a little bit

40:41 ↗ over time but we want to be working

40:44 ↗ towards increasing the tree canopy while

40:46 ↗ still making sure that we're maintaining

40:48 ↗ the trees that we have um so i don't

40:50 ↗ have the you know precise exact

40:53 ↗ calculation on it but we wanted to

40:55 ↗ increase it but also really keep that

40:57 ↗ focus on um wanting to do good urban

41:00 ↗ forestry and maintenance of trees that

41:02 ↗ we have so rather than putting all of

41:04 ↗ the efforts into just planting tons of

41:06 ↗ new trees we also want to be maintaining

41:08 ↗ the ones that we have

41:10 ↗ um and the second part of that so on f1

41:14 ↗ the emergency systems um so we just

41:17 ↗ hired or the city just hired an

41:19 ↗ emergency manager

41:22 ↗ maybe not even a month ago yet so we're

41:24 ↗ really excited about that position in

41:25 ↗ the city

41:27 ↗ and i had an opportunity to

41:29 ↗ sit down with him and

41:31 ↗ he's also really passionate about

41:32 ↗ climate change is excited about the

41:35 ↗ resilience section of this plan so

41:38 ↗ you know he started to have eyes on it

41:40 ↗ in his you know second week in the city

41:42 ↗ so we were talking about some of these

41:43 ↗ initiatives and he's really excited to

41:45 ↗ be incorporating

41:47 ↗ parts of the climate action plan and to

41:48 ↗ his planning efforts and and vice versa

41:52 ↗ so when we were talking about this

41:53 ↗ initial target um

41:56 ↗ i think

41:57 ↗ i think the target is for generally all

42:00 ↗ emergencies so

42:02 ↗ not just cooling centers for

42:05 ↗ heat waves but looking at other

42:06 ↗ emergencies as well

42:09 ↗ but i think that this this target could

42:11 ↗ get refined a little bit as he's able to

42:13 ↗ dive a little bit more into his planning

42:15 ↗ efforts but we wanted to have a starting

42:16 ↗ place

42:17 ↗ and we thought this would be an

42:18 ↗ appropriate place to do that

42:22 ↗ excellent thank you megan

42:26 ↗ okay and thank you

42:27 ↗ commissioner milligan you have the floor

42:31 ↗ thank you nina milligan here and thanks

42:34 ↗ to megan and the staff for the

42:36 ↗ really great report and

42:38 ↗ readable material and i also want to

42:40 ↗ thank the public comment especially ann

42:42 ↗ fletcher uh for all the work that she

42:44 ↗ did and and summaries she made

42:47 ↗ i have

42:49 ↗ i think they're questions in just that

42:51 ↗ i'd like to hear a little bit more about

42:53 ↗ how these things kind of work out and

42:55 ↗ one of them

42:57 ↗ so i have two of those one of them is to

42:58 ↗ follow on commissioner monahan's comment

43:00 ↗ about 50

43:02 ↗ i don't know what we're measuring there

43:04 ↗ are we saying 50 of our people will be

43:06 ↗ protected or

43:08 ↗ you know how what are we measuring when

43:10 ↗ we're measuring 50 so i need i haven't

43:12 ↗ heard that before i need more

43:13 ↗ information and the other has to do with

43:15 ↗ land use

43:17 ↗ certifications for buildings such as

43:19 ↗ leed that's mentioned in the

43:21 ↗ packet

43:22 ↗ and i wanted to hear more about how can

43:24 ↗ we

43:25 ↗ increase the sustainable

43:28 ↗ qualities in our buildings without

43:31 ↗ over burdening perhaps the affordability

43:33 ↗ of buildings through

43:34 ↗ very expensive certification programs

43:37 ↗ there have been some thought given to

43:40 ↗ some way that isaqua could perhaps

43:42 ↗ self-certify or

43:44 ↗ or something

43:45 ↗ because i know that that's a challenge

43:47 ↗ for especially as we're looking for

43:49 ↗ housing affordability and we're also

43:51 ↗ expanding our municipal campus thanks

43:54 ↗ megan not just those two

43:57 ↗ sure

43:58 ↗ for the first one with the emergency

44:00 ↗ management systems um i think that the

44:04 ↗ the 50 number is

44:07 ↗ is kind of looking

44:08 ↗ my i believe it's looking at basically

44:10 ↗ building

44:11 ↗ space for that um so you know assuming

44:14 ↗ if this was um if there was an emergency

44:16 ↗ probably not a hundred percent of people

44:18 ↗ would need a place to go um our services

44:23 ↗ um but i think you know when i talked

44:24 ↗ with um the emergency manager you know

44:27 ↗ his hope is to do even more um if that

44:29 ↗ would be needed but wanting to kind of

44:31 ↗ just learn a little bit more about

44:32 ↗ issaquah and and um dive a little bit

44:35 ↗ deeper into it first but um i think it

44:37 ↗ was a great kind of starter conversation

44:39 ↗ and and i agree i think there's probably

44:41 ↗ still some some questions in there um

44:44 ↗ and again i think that that could end up

44:46 ↗ being refined in some of the work that

44:48 ↗ he's doing

44:50 ↗ and that kind of goes to a little bit of

44:51 ↗ what we're hearing about you know

44:52 ↗ wanting to make sure that this is kind

44:54 ↗ of a living document and it is able to

44:56 ↗ be refined i do see it in that way so we

44:59 ↗ do want to um you know of course adopt

45:02 ↗ these policies in i see those more um

45:05 ↗ is more long-lasting but the actions

45:07 ↗ that might go along with them you know

45:08 ↗ we might want to change um some of those

45:11 ↗ over time after you know a few years

45:13 ↗ kind of

45:14 ↗ keep them nimble so i think there is an

45:16 ↗ opportunity for that refinement over

45:18 ↗ time

45:19 ↗ um

45:20 ↗ the second one so the certification

45:22 ↗ programs

45:23 ↗ so

45:24 ↗ this is a conversation that we're

45:25 ↗ starting to have through the title 18

45:27 ↗ discussion so wanting to ensure that our

45:30 ↗ our buildings um you know are are more

45:33 ↗ green or more sustainable um but not

45:36 ↗ necessarily wanting to pick one way for

45:38 ↗ that to be done so you know lead um

45:41 ↗ built green are a couple programs that

45:43 ↗ are around and um and are common in this

45:46 ↗ area but it's not the only ways um you

45:49 ↗ know in our public comment section

45:52 ↗ ann was talking about wanting to make

45:53 ↗ sure there's a tight building envelope

45:55 ↗ so passive house is another

45:57 ↗ certification program that

45:59 ↗ that some people look to to ensuring

46:01 ↗ that so i think there's a lot of options

46:03 ↗ in certification but certification might

46:05 ↗ not be the right path for all buildings

46:07 ↗ and you speak to the affordability piece

46:10 ↗ so we have been talking through that

46:11 ↗ title 18 piece about maybe doing some

46:14 ↗ sort of menu-based approach identifying

46:16 ↗ what the city's priorities are and maybe

46:18 ↗ you have to get a certain number of

46:19 ↗ points in that

46:21 ↗ and so that might be more of an

46:23 ↗ affordable pathway rather than having

46:25 ↗ certification cost

46:27 ↗ but wanting to make sure that we have

46:28 ↗ something up front because when you're

46:30 ↗ planning for green building early on

46:32 ↗ then you're able to incorporate the cost

46:34 ↗ a lot more

46:36 ↗ the last thing i'll say on that with the

46:37 ↗ affordability piece i think that

46:40 ↗ that's something that we definitely want

46:41 ↗ to think and talk about we've done that

46:43 ↗ with the electric vehicle ordinance we

46:45 ↗ kind of pulled that affordability piece

46:47 ↗ out and found what we thought was right

46:49 ↗ for issaquah to address that um so i

46:51 ↗ could see doing something like that with

46:53 ↗ that sort of program in the future too

46:59 ↗ okay thank you

47:00 ↗ and commissioner bader you have the

47:02 ↗ floor

47:03 ↗ yeah thank you and this is sarah bader i

47:05 ↗ have kind of an overarching comment

47:07 ↗ slash question on all of the policies

47:10 ↗ because as i look at these i think some

47:12 ↗ of them

47:13 ↗ are written and it's really clear what

47:15 ↗ success would look like they're like

47:16 ↗ great smart objectives that have you

47:18 ↗ know by what or buy one and you know how

47:21 ↗ much

47:22 ↗ um there are others that i think are a

47:23 ↗ little more vague where it's just you

47:26 ↗ know increase or improve and that might

47:28 ↗ not be as measurable or at least the

47:30 ↗ targets and kind of what we're trying to

47:31 ↗ accomplish through those policies or not

47:34 ↗ um not so clear i think at first at

47:37 ↗ first glance at least and so i'm

47:38 ↗ wondering if there is a refinement

47:40 ↗ process that'll happen um on these

47:42 ↗ policies to get to those

47:44 ↗ kind of more measurable clear you know

47:46 ↗ this is what we're trying to accomplish

47:47 ↗ through this targets for some of the

47:48 ↗ policies that don't have those kind of

47:51 ↗ clear targets outlined right now

47:56 ↗ this is megan um just a full question on

47:58 ↗ that so i think most of them have the

48:01 ↗ numbers

48:03 ↗ except for that that f1 that emergency

48:05 ↗ systems one i think that one as we've

48:08 ↗ talked about a little bit could probably

48:09 ↗ use a little bit more refinement

48:11 ↗ um

48:12 ↗ so i think most of them kind of have

48:14 ↗ have a number and target um with a year

48:17 ↗ but but not that one yet like i see like

48:21 ↗ d2 d3

48:23 ↗ e2

48:25 ↗ e4

48:26 ↗ um

48:28 ↗ there's not a

48:29 ↗ kind of numerical target

48:32 ↗ right

48:33 ↗ yeah so i think the we tried to do

48:35 ↗ numerical targets um one or two per per

48:39 ↗ focus area and then the other ones are

48:41 ↗ more um policy

48:44 ↗ um

48:45 ↗ more kind of guiding policy than with

48:47 ↗ the actions under them but we can take a

48:49 ↗ look at that a little bit more

48:54 ↗ okay thank you

48:55 ↗ uh any other commissioners have a

48:57 ↗ question oh commissioner lewis you have

48:59 ↗ the floor

49:02 ↗ thank you chair uh commissioner joy

49:04 ↗ lewis i don't want to take um sarah's

49:07 ↗ words from her mouth but what i'm

49:08 ↗ hearing a little bit about what she's

49:10 ↗ saying is that we want to be able to

49:12 ↗ have really measurable and like targets

49:15 ↗ right are we achieving or are we not

49:17 ↗ achieving it's nice to say that this is

49:19 ↗ a living document um and things can be

49:21 ↗ changed but sometimes that ends up being

49:23 ↗ code for that's tomorrow's problem right

49:25 ↗ and that's exactly the opposite of what

49:27 ↗ we want to do with our climate action

49:29 ↗ plan um is we want to make real change

49:31 ↗ right now so um i don't want to speak

49:33 ↗ for her but what i want to say is that

49:35 ↗ from her comments what i was certainly

49:36 ↗ getting is that there's room for putting

49:38 ↗ much more measurable

49:40 ↗ what we hope to achieve right like so

49:42 ↗ megan when i had emailed you

49:44 ↗ specifically about like the waste

49:45 ↗ numbers like the 70 by 2030 and then 90

49:48 ↗ by 2050 what happened to 2040 right like

49:52 ↗ there's got to be some type of equation

49:53 ↗ about waste management that i'm missing

49:55 ↗ as to that's not being presented to me

49:56 ↗ as to why these targets were chosen and

49:59 ↗ then how does that then coalesce along

50:01 ↗ so it would be great to have more

50:03 ↗ measurable distinctions of success

50:11 ↗ okay and i'm not seeing any additional

50:14 ↗ questions from commissioners so i'm

50:15 ↗ going to go ahead and go

50:17 ↗ um

50:18 ↗ thank you very much commissioner lewis

50:21 ↗ so i have a couple questions here

50:24 ↗ related to one goal

50:26 ↗ to joys and sarah's point as well

50:30 ↗ being an analyst where how do we

50:33 ↗ benchmark where we're at today how do we

50:35 ↗ benchmark

50:37 ↗ our progress through the coming years so

50:39 ↗ that we can actually measure the results

50:44 ↗ and determine whether or not we are on

50:46 ↗ target behind target or ahead of target

50:50 ↗ for instance uh

50:52 ↗ under goal b

50:54 ↗ for building an energy b1 decrease

50:56 ↗ energy use

50:58 ↗ in new and existing buildings by 25

51:01 ↗ how do we measure that um

51:04 ↗ what is it today

51:06 ↗ and so that when 2030 comes around how

51:08 ↗ do we know that we've actually

51:10 ↗ accomplished

51:12 ↗ or our 25

51:15 ↗ decrease in energy consumption so i

51:17 ↗ think we need to have some

51:20 ↗ understanding of where

51:22 ↗ these metrics are in the policy itself

51:25 ↗ not necessarily have

51:27 ↗ the formulas there because i realize as

51:29 ↗ a policy it's too high up

51:31 ↗ but you know decreased energy use in new

51:34 ↗ and existing buildings by 25 percent

51:36 ↗ based on

51:38 ↗ utility

51:40 ↗ metrics or pse standards or something

51:42 ↗ like that so that we can have something

51:44 ↗ actually reference and then

51:47 ↗ behind the scenes we have the the code

51:49 ↗ or the metrics

51:51 ↗ um i think that's kind of important for

51:52 ↗ the public to be able to see it that

51:54 ↗ leads transparency

51:56 ↗ and

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51:58 ↗ people want to know

52:04 ↗ this is built upon as opposed to just

52:06 ↗ hypothetically saying oh we're gonna

52:08 ↗ it's a great goal to say 25 but not

52:11 ↗ really know what that means

52:13 ↗ uh my next question um is

52:17 ↗ actually has to do with decreased energy

52:19 ↗ use in new and existing buildings by 25

52:24 ↗ is that what type of buildings is that

52:26 ↗ is that are we looking at

52:28 ↗ facilities are we looking at government

52:30 ↗ residential commercial

52:33 ↗ is it new retrofit remodels

52:37 ↗ so maybe a little bit more clarity on

52:39 ↗ what that is and maybe actually spell it

52:41 ↗ out

52:44 ↗ and then also looking at

52:54 ↗ reduce overall building energy use and

52:56 ↗ improving energy resilience by advancing

52:58 ↗ residential commercial and municipal

53:00 ↗ energy efficiency retrofits

53:03 ↗ so

53:05 ↗ is

53:06 ↗ b1 just a high level

53:10 ↗ where b2 b3 b4 b5 kind of roll up into

53:13 ↗ or is b1 actually

53:16 ↗ a stated

53:17 ↗ fact

53:18 ↗ a stated policy and each

53:20 ↗ b1 b2 b3 b4 are individual policies so

53:25 ↗ it just sounds like

53:27 ↗ it's a roll-up but i don't understand

53:30 ↗ so i need help understanding what that

53:31 ↗ means

53:33 ↗ that's my question

53:36 ↗ yes this is megan

53:37 ↗ so i think one of the gaps that we had

53:40 ↗ in this draft plan

53:42 ↗ is the implementation plan because we're

53:44 ↗ we're still working on that where i

53:46 ↗ think a lot of these answers will will

53:48 ↗ lay so

53:49 ↗ i will try to um

53:52 ↗ get kind of give some some look ahead of

53:53 ↗ what they'll look like and again that's

53:55 ↗ not going to be part of the goals and

53:57 ↗ policies that would be going in the

53:58 ↗ comprehensive plan but it is just more

54:00 ↗ explanation about this reporting

54:02 ↗ mechanism

54:04 ↗ um

54:05 ↗ so

54:05 ↗ uh

54:07 ↗ a couple things so the overall um

54:11 ↗ targets that you're seeing so those

54:12 ↗ first ones first one or two and for each

54:15 ↗ of the policies um that is kind of the

54:18 ↗ the target for that whole area so the

54:20 ↗ policies do the rest of the policies in

54:22 ↗ that focus area do roll up into it

54:26 ↗ we will be reporting out on those

54:28 ↗ metrics

54:30 ↗ annually and that is already occurring

54:32 ↗ for some so including overall energy use

54:35 ↗ in the city our diversion numbers

54:39 ↗ that is those are metrics that are

54:41 ↗ currently in the city's performance

54:43 ↗ measurement plan so quarterly the city

54:45 ↗ council receives the performance

54:47 ↗ measurement metrics

54:50 ↗ that has 50ish or so i don't think

54:52 ↗ they're all being reported on yet um but

54:55 ↗ they receive a report of updates on

54:56 ↗ those so several of these metrics align

54:59 ↗ with that so are being reported on that

55:01 ↗ way but um as part of the environmental

55:03 ↗ board we have an annual report in the in

55:06 ↗ that so we will be planning to update on

55:08 ↗ these metrics annually

55:10 ↗ um through that reporting mechanism so

55:12 ↗ that would be something that's produced

55:14 ↗ by the environmental

55:15 ↗ uh the environmental board and then goes

55:17 ↗ to council um kind of as their their

55:20 ↗ their work plan what they've been doing

55:22 ↗ and accomplishing

55:23 ↗ um

55:26 ↗ i think i think that's that's most of

55:29 ↗ the answers

55:30 ↗ so any follow-up sorry when you

55:32 ↗ mentioned pse are you talking about

55:36 ↗ also including residential so does the

55:38 ↗ city have the capability to see not

55:40 ↗ individual residential but

55:42 ↗ overall residential energy use

55:44 ↗ throughout the city

55:46 ↗ yes so that's the total community-wide

55:50 ↗ energy use that we're reporting on so

55:52 ↗ it's not separating out um

55:54 ↗ you know municipal but it is separate

55:57 ↗ it's separating out residential

55:59 ↗ industrial and commercial

56:01 ↗ so we're reporting on it in that in that

56:03 ↗ way and that's um

56:05 ↗ and we get both electricity and natural

56:07 ↗ gas numbers for that

56:09 ↗ okay so do we want to actually treat

56:12 ↗ residential commercial and government

56:15 ↗ separately in metrics

56:18 ↗ because they're so different

56:21 ↗ i mean

56:22 ↗ looking at a policy 25 percent well

56:26 ↗ what is that is that

56:29 ↗ everything all rolled up or is that

56:31 ↗ commercial

56:32 ↗ government because the city could hit a

56:34 ↗ goal that would be great aspiration

56:36 ↗ because that's with

56:38 ↗ in your control

56:39 ↗ and then

56:40 ↗ maybe have a target for commercial like

56:43 ↗ costco and home depot and lowe's and

56:47 ↗ retail and then have additional target

56:49 ↗ for

56:50 ↗ residential

56:53 ↗ instead of having one policy say by 25

56:57 ↗ split it up into policies say decrease

56:59 ↗ energy use by

57:00 ↗ 25

57:02 ↗ in

57:04 ↗ commercial

57:05 ↗ 30 percent in city

57:07 ↗ and

57:08 ↗ 15 and residential or something like

57:10 ↗ that

57:13 ↗ is that something we can do

57:17 ↗ um this is megan

57:19 ↗ uh so we will be reporting on

57:22 ↗ the those three sectors um i don't know

57:25 ↗ if i have enough

57:26 ↗ information in order to

57:29 ↗ have

57:30 ↗ specific different targets for each of

57:33 ↗ those at this point maybe that's

57:34 ↗ something we could look to in the future

57:36 ↗ once we

57:39 ↗ get rolling a little bit more with some

57:40 ↗ of these actions down the line but right

57:42 ↗ now we would be reporting out on each of

57:44 ↗ those sectors but just having this one

57:46 ↗ overall goal

57:49 ↗ okay

57:50 ↗ okay

57:52 ↗ uh looks like we have another question

57:54 ↗ from uh commissioner voice

57:58 ↗ thank you chairfell commissioner voice

58:00 ↗ so just so i understand the way i'm

58:02 ↗ reading this is

58:04 ↗ tell me if i'm wrong

58:06 ↗ this is basically just a road map right

58:08 ↗ these are the stated goals the policies

58:10 ↗ kind of how what we want to do to meet

58:12 ↗ those goals and then ms curtis murphy

58:15 ↗ you mentioned an implication

58:16 ↗ implementation plan that's going to come

58:18 ↗ basically behind this that this is just

58:21 ↗ kind of the road map

58:22 ↗ where we want to go

58:24 ↗ the idea of how we're going to get there

58:26 ↗ you know there's five different ways to

58:27 ↗ get to bellevue

58:29 ↗ we're still just trying to get where

58:30 ↗ we're going so i think because you know

58:33 ↗ this group loves

58:34 ↗ specificity when do we get to see an imp

58:37 ↗ implementation plan i think right so

58:40 ↗ we're all kind of looking at b1 for

58:41 ↗ example we want to know exactly what

58:43 ↗ that looks like how do we measure it

58:45 ↗ is that really what you guys are asking

58:47 ↗ us to do or are you guys looking for us

58:49 ↗ just kind of to be like well these look

58:51 ↗ like good goals and

58:53 ↗ good policies to get there but we'll

58:55 ↗ kind of see the you know the refined

58:58 ↗ document a little bit later down the

58:59 ↗ road i just i'm trying to clarify for

59:01 ↗ myself

59:03 ↗ you know i understand what

59:05 ↗ you guys want to see

59:06 ↗ um happen by the 14th

59:09 ↗ and again this group likes

59:12 ↗ granular

59:14 ↗ things to look at

59:16 ↗ so again that's just my reading of it as

59:18 ↗ you guys are just kind of going okay

59:20 ↗ this is the policy this is the goal to

59:22 ↗ get to the policy or vice versa and then

59:25 ↗ we're going to be able to look at other

59:27 ↗ metrics down the road

59:29 ↗ megan madge up in

59:30 ↗ here so this is a place ppc is not used

59:33 ↗ to being in right so until a year or two

59:36 ↗ ago we didn't have an environmental

59:38 ↗ board we didn't have a transportation

59:40 ↗ advisory board um and so all of these

59:42 ↗ plans that come through

59:44 ↗ ppc would have looked at the goals the

59:47 ↗ visions the goals the policies and any

59:49 ↗ implementation items that go with it

59:51 ↗ right

59:53 ↗ it's a little different now we do have a

59:55 ↗ transportation advisory board so you may

59:56 ↗ recall that when they review when you

59:58 ↗ all review those goals and policies

1:00:00 ↗ those went into the plan and you had a

1:00:02 ↗ chance to look at the actions or the

1:00:04 ↗ implementation and comment on that but

1:00:06 ↗ that was

1:00:08 ↗ ultimately

1:00:09 ↗ uh the tab made a recommendation on that

1:00:11 ↗ to counsel

1:00:12 ↗ so you guys got to comment on it but it

1:00:14 ↗ was the tabs recommendation same thing

1:00:17 ↗ happened um

1:00:19 ↗ same thing will happen with this one

1:00:20 ↗ same thing will happen and the

1:00:22 ↗ environmental board will make the

1:00:23 ↗ recommendation so i think megan may be

1:00:25 ↗ looking for comments and some feedback

1:00:27 ↗ um but the environmental board is there

1:00:29 ↗ because they're sort of you guys are

1:00:31 ↗ really good at it but they're the

1:00:32 ↗ experts in the environment right so um

1:00:34 ↗ you know i think that's megan correct me

1:00:36 ↗ if i'm wrong but i think our focus

1:00:38 ↗ tonight and it's hard for you guys to do

1:00:39 ↗ because it hasn't always been this way

1:00:40 ↗ in the past i mean look at central is

1:00:42 ↗ upon old town you know that was all

1:00:44 ↗ yours so i think it's a little different

1:00:46 ↗ this time um but megan you can

1:00:48 ↗ clarify um if you'd like if i didn't get

1:00:51 ↗ that right

1:00:53 ↗ this is megan um no i think that's

1:00:55 ↗ that's about right and um two nights ago

1:00:57 ↗ we had the meeting with the

1:00:58 ↗ environmental board where we were really

1:01:00 ↗ deep in in the actions um so they had

1:01:03 ↗ talked about the goals and policies um

1:01:06 ↗ previously as we had talked about the

1:01:07 ↗ goals and policies back at our august

1:01:10 ↗ meeting

1:01:11 ↗ and so the meeting two nights ago

1:01:13 ↗ they're really doing that deep dive on

1:01:16 ↗ the actions themselves and then so

1:01:18 ↗ tonight i was hoping to get um

1:01:21 ↗ you know thoughts on some of the actions

1:01:22 ↗ but i really wanted them to be

1:01:24 ↗ illustrative of what

1:01:26 ↗ those goals and policies are going to be

1:01:28 ↗ doing because those goals and policies

1:01:29 ↗ are a little bit higher level um so we

1:01:32 ↗ talked about them in august and then i i

1:01:35 ↗ have attachment a that kind of has the

1:01:37 ↗ redlining pieces of what's changed

1:01:40 ↗ so i want to make sure that i heard you

1:01:42 ↗ guys correctly at that meeting and so

1:01:44 ↗ that that's reflected in in those goals

1:01:47 ↗ and policies but if there's thoughts on

1:01:48 ↗ the actions you know happy to have those

1:01:50 ↗ as well so as we said we are still

1:01:53 ↗ collecting input at that action level

1:01:55 ↗ and that will be what um the client the

1:01:57 ↗ next climate convenience focused on as

1:01:59 ↗ well um

1:02:01 ↗ so i think it's it's pretty similar what

1:02:02 ↗ kristin was mentioning i have one more

1:02:04 ↗ time one of my favorite comments that

1:02:06 ↗ lucy sloman said one time is that the

1:02:08 ↗ vision or the intent

1:02:10 ↗ will remain the same but how you get

1:02:12 ↗ there can change

1:02:13 ↗ so what you're looking for the vision

1:02:15 ↗ and the intent

1:02:16 ↗ what do you want to achieve right

1:02:19 ↗ what is the bigger picture here and then

1:02:22 ↗ the environmental board looks at it and

1:02:23 ↗ says this is how we're going to get

1:02:24 ↗ there

1:02:25 ↗ that makes sense

1:02:27 ↗ it makes a lot of sense and like i said

1:02:28 ↗ this is the thing about the two new

1:02:30 ↗ boards is

1:02:31 ↗ is getting used to the idea okay we're

1:02:33 ↗ not going to get into that type of

1:02:34 ↗ specificity because we just created two

1:02:37 ↗ boards to do that for us

1:02:39 ↗ and you know it's letting go of that

1:02:41 ↗ which i think you know some of us might

1:02:43 ↗ not be used to because again to a

1:02:45 ↗ previous commissioner's point you know

1:02:47 ↗ we're used to really getting into the

1:02:48 ↗ weeds

1:02:49 ↗ and it's like you know you're looking at

1:02:51 ↗ documents like what we're never going to

1:02:52 ↗ see them again

1:02:53 ↗ what

1:02:55 ↗ so i think just for me like i said

1:02:57 ↗ trying to understand what it is you guys

1:02:58 ↗ want which it's making more sense

1:03:01 ↗ because again like you said we're

1:03:02 ↗ supposed to be leaning on these boards

1:03:04 ↗ for their expertise because they're the

1:03:05 ↗ ones reading the documents they're the

1:03:06 ↗ ones spending hours of their own time

1:03:08 ↗ and for us we're really like you said

1:03:10 ↗ we're at that high level kind of going

1:03:12 ↗ don't really like that policy or that

1:03:13 ↗ goal but again i guess it's no longer

1:03:16 ↗ our playground to be talking about

1:03:19 ↗ certain metrics anymore

1:03:25 ↗ thank you

1:03:27 ↗ thank you

1:03:28 ↗ so

1:03:29 ↗ i'm going to go back to b1 and

1:03:33 ↗ specificity i and i i hear what you're

1:03:36 ↗ saying um

1:03:38 ↗ about

1:03:39 ↗ being higher level and i look at this

1:03:42 ↗ and i it is high level so

1:03:45 ↗ when we say 25

1:03:47 ↗ by

1:03:48 ↗ 2030 from 2017 levels

1:03:51 ↗ i can understand what the environmental

1:03:53 ↗ board is rolling up into that

1:03:56 ↗ should we also clarify whether that is

1:04:01 ↗ gas versus electricity

1:04:04 ↗ or do we

1:04:05 ↗ not want to do that in this document and

1:04:08 ↗ keep it very high level

1:04:09 ↗ this isn't gas and electricity

1:04:13 ↗ opposites

1:04:16 ↗ this is megan i think

1:04:17 ↗ um so i think commissioner voice was was

1:04:20 ↗ asking about that earlier as well so i

1:04:22 ↗ think that that probably is a point that

1:04:24 ↗ we should clarify here that energy use

1:04:27 ↗ is electricity natural gas

1:04:29 ↗ um so it is both so i think probably

1:04:31 ↗ adding that into that policy would

1:04:33 ↗ probably make sense

1:04:35 ↗ okay yeah

1:04:38 ↗ having that language in there it would

1:04:39 ↗ be helpful

1:04:40 ↗ uh okay let's move on and there any

1:04:43 ↗ other additional questions that we have

1:04:51 ↗ not seen any additional questions okay

1:04:54 ↗ um so with that said

1:04:57 ↗ um

1:04:58 ↗ megan curtis do you have additional

1:05:00 ↗ presentation material that you would

1:05:01 ↗ like to cover tonight

1:05:04 ↗ no i do not

1:05:06 ↗ okay uh kristen

1:05:11 ↗ our next steps here is this are we done

1:05:14 ↗ unless you would like to take public

1:05:16 ↗ comment on this we are

1:05:19 ↗ i'm like a section

1:05:21 ↗ uh well let's go ahead and open up the

1:05:23 ↗ public comment and see if anybody has

1:05:25 ↗ any public comments

1:05:28 ↗ so we

1:05:29 ↗ one uh ann fletcher is here and your

1:05:31 ↗ hand is raised

1:05:33 ↗ um if you would like to speak could you

1:05:35 ↗ either let me know in the chat or maybe

1:05:37 ↗ take your hand out

1:05:47 ↗ i think we're good

1:05:50 ↗ yeah wait i'm gonna unmute her one for

1:05:52 ↗ one second

1:05:54 ↗ and would you like to speak oh

1:05:57 ↗ uh

1:05:58 ↗ uh

1:06:01 ↗ yeah i guess maybe i would like to say

1:06:02 ↗ one thing

1:06:05 ↗ and i'm sorry i i couldn't find my hand

1:06:10 ↗ i remember that from last time so that's

1:06:11 ↗ that's okay um let me make you a

1:06:13 ↗ panelist really quick okay okay

1:06:16 ↗ okay you can turn your video on

1:06:19 ↗ okay

1:06:21 ↗ great okay thank you this has been a

1:06:23 ↗ really interesting discussion um and i i

1:06:26 ↗ do think

1:06:27 ↗ it was great to clarify the two levels

1:06:30 ↗ you're kind of working parallel at two

1:06:31 ↗ different levels here um and and that's

1:06:34 ↗ confusing i think sometimes um

1:06:37 ↗ uh and that's one of the reasons i

1:06:40 ↗ suggested that if you want to look at

1:06:42 ↗ the

1:06:44 ↗ actions uh or the actually the climate

1:06:48 ↗ action plan

1:06:50 ↗ that you look at the whole thing

1:06:52 ↗ as opposed to just looking at some

1:06:54 ↗ actions or just looking even just

1:06:56 ↗ looking at the goals and policies i can

1:06:58 ↗ see where you feel

1:07:00 ↗ i like to work at the granular level too

1:07:02 ↗ i can see where you feel like you need

1:07:04 ↗ feel like you need to know more um

1:07:06 ↗ and i think it's important to look at um

1:07:09 ↗ to to be able to

1:07:11 ↗ see

1:07:12 ↗ all of that together and if you um i

1:07:14 ↗ think there is a link in

1:07:17 ↗ what megan sent out that has

1:07:20 ↗ the full plan and if you go to

1:07:22 ↗ um past the

1:07:24 ↗ actions at a glance and go to the full

1:07:27 ↗ plan

1:07:28 ↗ it has everything it has the the goal

1:07:32 ↗ uh the

1:07:33 ↗ the um

1:07:36 ↗ it has the the higher level stuff and

1:07:39 ↗ then it under each of those it has a

1:07:42 ↗ strategy in action but the goal and the

1:07:44 ↗ target has a target

1:07:46 ↗ and that's what some of you are asking

1:07:48 ↗ for those targets those measurable

1:07:50 ↗ targets and it even has

1:07:52 ↗ how they are going to be measured and

1:07:55 ↗ megan talked about some of the different

1:07:56 ↗ ways that they're already measuring

1:07:59 ↗ things and there are some pretty good

1:08:01 ↗ measurements in there and i think it

1:08:03 ↗ might make you feel better to be able to

1:08:05 ↗ look at those and see

1:08:07 ↗ that there are measurements that are

1:08:09 ↗ really concrete that they're finding for

1:08:12 ↗ as many of the targets as possible

1:08:15 ↗ and um

1:08:16 ↗ and and then we can look and see our or

1:08:19 ↗ do we have enough targets that are

1:08:21 ↗ really getting us to the goal

1:08:23 ↗ uh do we have or do the actions really

1:08:27 ↗ get us to our targets and that's going

1:08:29 ↗ to be the real amazing fun of the plan

1:08:32 ↗ as we implement it

1:08:34 ↗ well i that's how i looked at it and i i

1:08:37 ↗ i felt in the discussion that you were

1:08:40 ↗ that that's kind of the the way that

1:08:43 ↗ the way that the group was coming

1:08:45 ↗ together on it

1:08:48 ↗ but that material is there for you to

1:08:50 ↗ look at as needed

1:08:53 ↗ so you don't have to feel like you're

1:08:54 ↗ out there just with this higher level

1:08:57 ↗ abstract plan

1:08:59 ↗ it's it's there you just have to dig a

1:09:01 ↗ little bit for it

1:09:02 ↗ thank you

1:09:10 ↗ okay kristen are there any additional uh

1:09:12 ↗ members of the public would like to make

1:09:14 ↗ a comment there are no other members of

1:09:17 ↗ the public present

1:09:18 ↗ excellent okay uh and thank you ann for

1:09:20 ↗ that uh wonderful insights there um

1:09:24 ↗ okay so moving forward

1:09:27 ↗ i'm just not used to having such a short

1:09:29 ↗ meeting

1:09:31 ↗ it takes me off guard here uh okay so i

1:09:33 ↗ guess we're gonna go ahead and move on

1:09:35 ↗ to reports so uh kristen do we have any

1:09:38 ↗ uh reports updates

1:09:41 ↗ um no i'd like to thank megan um

1:09:45 ↗ let's see

1:09:47 ↗ had some stuff written down one second

1:09:49 ↗ yes so

1:09:51 ↗ you'll notice there was no calendar in

1:09:52 ↗ your packet this week

1:09:54 ↗ and that is because title 18 discussion

1:09:57 ↗ was taken to city council workshop study

1:10:00 ↗ session last tuesday

1:10:02 ↗ and one of the things that they

1:10:03 ↗ discussed was our schedule so we are

1:10:06 ↗ in the process they would like to see it

1:10:08 ↗ finished by the end of 2022 one of our

1:10:09 ↗ proposals was to take it into 2023 and

1:10:12 ↗ they said nope um so

1:10:15 ↗ we are readjusting our schedule just a

1:10:17 ↗ little bit and i will have that out to

1:10:19 ↗ you in the next packet

1:10:20 ↗ but just to let you know on october 14th

1:10:23 ↗ as i mentioned before we will hold our

1:10:25 ↗ public hearing for the comprehensive

1:10:26 ↗ plan amendments which will include um

1:10:28 ↗ these amendments and and be reassured

1:10:30 ↗ that you know the public will speak at

1:10:33 ↗ planning policy commission will hear

1:10:34 ↗ your comments the public will speak at

1:10:36 ↗ the meeting at the study session with

1:10:38 ↗ city council regarding these policies

1:10:39 ↗ and the council will have feedback as

1:10:41 ↗ well so there will be some changes made

1:10:42 ↗ and

1:10:44 ↗ you still have the opportunity to make

1:10:46 ↗ some tweaks here and there

1:10:47 ↗ um

1:10:48 ↗ also next week with the public hearing

1:10:51 ↗ we will be listening to

1:10:53 ↗ the proposed goals and policies for the

1:10:55 ↗ storm and wastewater management plan

1:10:58 ↗ and that one's been pushed out a little

1:10:59 ↗ bit but he's

1:11:01 ↗ getting a head start and we'll be here

1:11:03 ↗ to talk with you about those he has some

1:11:05 ↗ drafts written up and then on october

1:11:08 ↗ 28th we'll be talking about title 18

1:11:10 ↗ again

1:11:11 ↗ with the development commission and we

1:11:13 ↗ will be talking about zoning and

1:11:15 ↗ permitted uses

1:11:18 ↗ just mentioned

1:11:19 ↗ next week so

1:11:21 ↗ i'm sorry i mean next meeting not next

1:11:23 ↗ week october 14th and then october 28th

1:11:25 ↗ okay

1:11:27 ↗ yeah

1:11:28 ↗ you actually get three weeks between

1:11:30 ↗ meetings this time

1:11:31 ↗ okay i was thinking maybe city council's

1:11:33 ↗ you know cracking the whip on us

1:11:35 ↗ [Laughter]

1:11:37 ↗ okay uh all right so and i i also don't

1:11:41 ↗ know if many wanted to report back on

1:11:42 ↗ some of the discussion that was had um

1:11:45 ↗ on the 20th at the city council study

1:11:47 ↗ session on title 18.

1:11:49 ↗ sure thanks kristen and

1:11:52 ↗ thank you commissioners um it was a good

1:11:55 ↗ uh feedback from council a couple of

1:11:58 ↗ things um to note we tried to ask the

1:12:01 ↗ question whether we could prioritize

1:12:03 ↗ some of the topics in title 18 because

1:12:05 ↗ it's so big

1:12:06 ↗ for the policy guidance piece because

1:12:09 ↗ some of the other work that's going to

1:12:10 ↗ happen with title 18 is more

1:12:12 ↗ consolidation streamlining you know that

1:12:15 ↗ kind of an effort

1:12:17 ↗ and we got guidance from them that yes

1:12:20 ↗ we should prioritize a list of topics

1:12:23 ↗ that

1:12:23 ↗ um will will come to you with code

1:12:26 ↗ update memos the same format that we

1:12:28 ↗ have with some policy questions and more

1:12:31 ↗ refined policy questions for you all uh

1:12:34 ↗ you know so uh compared to the feedback

1:12:36 ↗ that you've given us in the past of of

1:12:38 ↗ paying more attention to what the the

1:12:40 ↗ policy questions are for those topics

1:12:43 ↗ so that'll help go for this process to

1:12:46 ↗ move through uh your planning and policy

1:12:49 ↗ commission a little bit um

1:12:51 ↗ more streamlined and more meaningful

1:12:54 ↗ feedback can be achieved on topics that

1:12:56 ↗ do

1:12:56 ↗ relate to golden outcomes chart as

1:12:59 ↗ opposed to

1:13:00 ↗ other topics that we are going to are

1:13:02 ↗ more technical and we're just going to

1:13:04 ↗ uh do the

1:13:05 ↗ you know do the consolidation and

1:13:07 ↗ streamlining and modernizing of the code

1:13:10 ↗ we will give you all all the the

1:13:12 ↗ proposed approach for those topics and

1:13:14 ↗ for the community members to weigh in

1:13:16 ↗ but we won't be seeking input before

1:13:18 ↗ preparing the first draft for those

1:13:20 ↗ topics so that was a good outcome of

1:13:22 ↗ that meeting

1:13:24 ↗ and the second topic that i think um

1:13:27 ↗ kristen um

1:13:28 ↗ alluded to is the schedule

1:13:31 ↗ so uh the proposal is the what was

1:13:35 ↗ agreed to by council was we will keep

1:13:37 ↗ the

1:13:38 ↗ the smaller topics per in the policy

1:13:42 ↗ guidance phase so splitting those six

1:13:44 ↗ topic areas that we have into two

1:13:46 ↗ meetings each for each of those during

1:13:49 ↗ the initial phase

1:13:50 ↗ but then when we put the draft out

1:13:54 ↗ for um public hearing

1:13:56 ↗ um there will be one public hearing on

1:13:59 ↗ on each of the six topic groups

1:14:02 ↗ but we are committed to getting the

1:14:04 ↗ draft out at least a month prior to that

1:14:07 ↗ public hearing because um we understand

1:14:09 ↗ it it's you know a larger

1:14:11 ↗ um

1:14:12 ↗ title 18 is a big big effort and it's a

1:14:16 ↗ lot of code a lot of technicalities and

1:14:18 ↗ and things like that but

1:14:19 ↗ we're also committed to

1:14:21 ↗ having an open meeting where anyone can

1:14:24 ↗ jump in and ask questions members of the

1:14:26 ↗ public once the draft is out prior to

1:14:29 ↗ the formal public hearing with the

1:14:30 ↗ planning and policy commission and the

1:14:32 ↗ joint boards we will host a few uh

1:14:35 ↗ question and answer forum

1:14:37 ↗ for the community members we're also

1:14:39 ↗ committed to meeting with you each

1:14:41 ↗ one-on-one with a couple of you at a

1:14:43 ↗ time to go over those materials so when

1:14:47 ↗ it comes time for a public hearing we've

1:14:49 ↗ answered some of your questions um

1:14:52 ↗ you know just trying to do this title 18

1:14:55 ↗ in a two-hour meeting chunks no matter

1:14:58 ↗ how many meetings we do

1:14:59 ↗ the efficiencies have to be built in and

1:15:02 ↗ and we're

1:15:03 ↗ seeking input from you all what will

1:15:05 ↗ work for you too

1:15:07 ↗ we want to do a good job we want to make

1:15:09 ↗ sure it's meaningful feedback that we

1:15:11 ↗ get from you from the community members

1:15:13 ↗ that then folds into the code

1:15:16 ↗ so that's

1:15:17 ↗ the discussion with them

1:15:19 ↗ we did share the proposed approach for

1:15:21 ↗ natural

1:15:22 ↗ environment topics that you had given us

1:15:24 ↗ and the community members had given us

1:15:28 ↗ there wasn't that much time left at the

1:15:29 ↗ end of the day after we discussed those

1:15:32 ↗ other topics so uh and you know without

1:15:34 ↗ the full context that was a little hard

1:15:37 ↗ to get through

1:15:38 ↗ on those topics but overall i think

1:15:41 ↗ we got okay go ahead and start producing

1:15:44 ↗ the first draft of those topics that

1:15:46 ↗ you've already looked at

1:15:48 ↗ so we're working on the code writing for

1:15:50 ↗ those pieces at the same time we're

1:15:52 ↗ working on bringing other priority

1:15:55 ↗ topics for your discussion and policy

1:15:57 ↗ guidance

1:15:58 ↗ and like kristin said the next one on

1:16:00 ↗ the title 18 is october 28th when we're

1:16:02 ↗ in front of you

1:16:04 ↗ with zoning and land uses uh category

1:16:08 ↗ so

1:16:09 ↗ you know what are the different zones of

1:16:10 ↗ the city what are different uses that

1:16:12 ↗ are allowed in different areas so if you

1:16:14 ↗ can start thinking of

1:16:16 ↗ issues that you know of that you want to

1:16:18 ↗ see addressed uh in those topic areas

1:16:21 ↗ we'll of course give you the code update

1:16:22 ↗ memos our gaps analysis our proposed

1:16:25 ↗ approach um and and and have some policy

1:16:29 ↗ guidance questions for you

1:16:31 ↗ so that's all on title 18

1:16:34 ↗ sign code was adopted on the 20th

1:16:37 ↗ so thank you for all your work

1:16:39 ↗ so that has reached

1:16:42 ↗ to a point where it was adopted so that

1:16:44 ↗ was that was good

1:16:47 ↗ other topics i think i wanted to kind of

1:16:49 ↗ mention uh some of you missed the tour

1:16:52 ↗ for

1:16:53 ↗ uh when we did the

1:16:55 ↗ go to the different development uh

1:16:58 ↗ projects to kind of get set the stage

1:17:00 ↗ for what this looks like

1:17:01 ↗ that is scheduled for a

1:17:04 ↗ development commission to go on the tour

1:17:06 ↗ on october 29th

1:17:08 ↗ so if anyone missed uh that and is

1:17:10 ↗ available on october 29th in the evening

1:17:14 ↗ there's an opportunity to join

1:17:16 ↗ development commission on that tour

1:17:19 ↗ um

1:17:20 ↗ the other

1:17:21 ↗ items i am going to economic and

1:17:23 ↗ vitality commission

1:17:25 ↗ because we they're not engaged with this

1:17:27 ↗ effort at this point but we also don't

1:17:29 ↗ want to you know keep them apprised of

1:17:31 ↗ the progress on title 18 so that's going

1:17:34 ↗ to happen

1:17:36 ↗ um next week as well

1:17:38 ↗ and

1:17:40 ↗ parks board and

1:17:42 ↗ the discussion that we started on the

1:17:43 ↗ trees uh we're trying to see if um they

1:17:46 ↗ have additional feedback so that we'll

1:17:49 ↗ we'll staff will go

1:17:51 ↗ to park board separately to see if they

1:17:54 ↗ have any feedback environmental board

1:17:56 ↗ has expressed an interest in the tree

1:17:57 ↗ topics

1:17:58 ↗ um so i'll be going uh to that on

1:18:01 ↗ october mid-october the 14th and the

1:18:04 ↗ 13th

1:18:06 ↗ to share the tree and the landscape

1:18:08 ↗ topics that we shared with all of you to

1:18:10 ↗ get their feedback on that

1:18:12 ↗ so that's sort of where we're at and all

1:18:15 ↗ of title 18 and and other topics

1:18:18 ↗ so with that i'll turn it over to you

1:18:20 ↗ kristin no chair

1:18:23 ↗ oh

1:18:24 ↗ i don't have any other reports

1:18:26 ↗ okay thank you thank you all uh so with

1:18:29 ↗ that said i'm going to adjourn the

1:18:31 ↗ meeting

1:18:32 ↗ at 7 49.

1:18:38 ↗ okay are you sure

1:18:41 ↗ bye-bye thank you comments and questions

1:18:43 ↗ tonight

1:18:45 ↗ thank you thank you everybody

1:19:23 ↗ you

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Ron Faul, Chair Christen Leeson, Senior Planner Jason Voiss, Vice Chair Megan Curtis-Murphy, Sr. Sustain. Coord. Joy Lewis Minnie Dhaliwal, CP&D Director Matt Monahan Valerie Porter, Assistant Planner Nina Milligan Sara Bader Richard Zaragoza, Alternate