Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, September 23, 2021 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

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Staff report:

PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION Staff Liaison Christen Leeson, Senior About Planner Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Email policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides guidance and direction for Issaquah's future Regular Members growth through continued review and 2022 – Joy Lewis improvement to the City's Comprehensive Land 2022 – Matt Monahan Use Plan and related land use documents. 2022 – Jason Voiss 2022 – Vacant Membership 2023 – Nina Milligan The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2024 – Ron Faul seven regular members, with four-year terms; 2024 – Sara Bader and several alternates, with two-year terms. All members are appointed by the Mayor and Alternate Members subject to confirmation by the City Council. 2022 - Richard Zaragoza Terms expire April 30 of the year listed. For 2023 - Vacant more information, see IMC 18.03 and Rules & Regulations. Meetings Unless…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of Aug. 12, 2021

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 08-12-21 Planning Policy Commission Minutes Page [0000]

Minutes of Aug. 26, 2021

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Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Jul 22, 2021

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES b) 08-26-21 Planning Policy Commission/EB Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Planning Policy Commission and Environmental Board JOINT MEETING 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting August 26, 2021 MINUTES

Minutes of Sept. 9, 2021

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES c) 09-09-21 Planning Policy Commission—Park Page [0000] Board Minutes

5. REPORTS

Council Update

Christen Leeson, Senior Planner · packet pp.41–63

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Staff report:

9.02.21 – 9.15.21 Public Comment Update Natural Areas

Title 18 Code Update: Public Comments

Received · Minnie Dhaliwal, Director, Community Planning & Development

Topics: Land Use

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

The next meeting is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. on Oct. 14, 2021

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0:08 ↗ we have participants attending by

0:10 ↗ computer and others who may be attending

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0:17 ↗ name each time and before speaking

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0:26 ↗ such as a smartphone or tablet

0:28 ↗ and use the call-in information

0:31 ↗ located in the meeting invite

0:33 ↗ to call back into the meeting

0:36 ↗ uh tonight's ppc meeting is uh

0:39 ↗ for september 23rd

0:42 ↗ and at tonight's meeting we'll be

0:44 ↗ discussing the proposed climate change

0:46 ↗ goals policies and actions

0:49 ↗ uh the the goals and policies will be

0:51 ↗ incorporated into the land use elements

0:53 ↗ as part of the 2021 comprehensive plan

0:56 ↗ amendments and kristen would you like to

0:59 ↗ go ahead and

1:00 ↗ call roll

1:01 ↗ yes commissioner monahan

1:04 ↗ here

1:06 ↗ mr lewis

1:08 ↗ here mr milligan

1:11 ↗ here commissioner voice

1:14 ↗ here

1:15 ↗ mr bader

1:18 ↗ here

1:19 ↗ perfect timing commissioner zaragoza

1:22 ↗ here and chair fall

1:25 ↗ here all right all are present

1:27 ↗ excellent thank you

1:29 ↗ and now we'll move on to approval of the

1:31 ↗ minutes we have three separate mating

1:33 ↗ minutes so the first one is

1:36 ↗ um the minutes for august 12 2021 are

1:39 ↗ there any corrections to the august 12th

1:41 ↗ minutes provided in the agenda packet

1:46 ↗ hearing none the minutes are approved

1:48 ↗ the second set of minutes

1:51 ↗ for dated august 26 2021 are there any

1:54 ↗ corrections to the august 26 minutes

1:58 ↗ okay hearing none the minutes are

2:00 ↗ approved

2:02 ↗ uh the third set of minutes for

2:04 ↗ september 9th 2021 are there any

2:06 ↗ corrections to the september 9th minutes

2:10 ↗ okay

2:11 ↗ hearing none minutes are

2:14 ↗ approved

2:16 ↗ and now we'll move into public comment

2:18 ↗ so we'll open this up for public comment

2:20 ↗ uh kristen do we have anybody that would

2:22 ↗ like to

2:23 ↗ uh

2:26 ↗ make a comment today

2:27 ↗ no one has signed up to speak but we do

2:29 ↗ have one person who would like to speak

2:31 ↗ one moment please

2:34 ↗ ann fletcher

2:37 ↗ and you are a panelist and you are

2:39 ↗ unmuted you can turn on your camera if

2:40 ↗ you would like

2:44 ↗ all right can you hear me okay

2:46 ↗ yes

2:47 ↗ okay

2:50 ↗ um i'm ann fletcher uh resident and

2:53 ↗ people for climate action member

2:56 ↗ and uh wanted to just say tonight that

2:58 ↗ i'm really grateful for the progress

3:00 ↗ that's being made on the climate action

3:02 ↗ plan

3:03 ↗ and also the related comprehensive plan

3:06 ↗ policies

3:08 ↗ a lot of tremendous work's gone on

3:10 ↗ by everyone and the materials that were

3:13 ↗ provided or that always are provided

3:16 ↗ really give us an opportunity to give

3:18 ↗ constructive input

3:20 ↗ so i had a couple of comments one is i

3:22 ↗ was toggling back and forth between the

3:25 ↗ climate action plan

3:27 ↗ and matrix and then the comp plan land

3:30 ↗ use policy f

3:32 ↗ and uh it was a bit challenging to get

3:34 ↗ the connections between all of those

3:37 ↗ but it was really worth the time and

3:38 ↗ effort because it revealed to me some

3:41 ↗ important improvements to the policies

3:43 ↗ that i saw in there and a few possible

3:46 ↗ areas uh that might need to be looked at

3:49 ↗ again

3:50 ↗ so for the improvements um what i saw

3:52 ↗ was that the

3:54 ↗ policies are much clearer we know a lot

3:56 ↗ more about what we're doing in this area

3:59 ↗ and they're more specific actionable uh

4:01 ↗ than the current policies

4:03 ↗ i think they'll be more useful to the

4:05 ↗ city departments to guide them in their

4:07 ↗ plans and programs

4:09 ↗ and i think they reflect updates in

4:12 ↗ knowledge about how best to mitigate and

4:15 ↗ adapt to climate change

4:18 ↗ they expand on some really important

4:20 ↗ carbon emitters such as the buildings in

4:23 ↗ energy transportation and all the other

4:26 ↗ focus areas and they've added an area

4:29 ↗ for community resilience and well-being

4:31 ↗ so that's a great addition

4:33 ↗ um on the needs side

4:36 ↗ i

4:36 ↗ had a question about the

4:39 ↗ new building policies b1 through five

4:41 ↗ which are terrific

4:42 ↗ i wondered if they provided enough

4:44 ↗ direction on building standards

4:47 ↗ to prevent energy loss like having a

4:49 ↗ really tight building envelope um they

4:52 ↗ give a real clear message about the

4:54 ↗ transitioning to clean energy

4:57 ↗ sources in buildings but i wondered if

4:59 ↗ there was enough i found the words

5:01 ↗ advancing building decarbonization

5:05 ↗ and i wondered if those were adequate to

5:08 ↗ replace the comp plan policy f9 which

5:11 ↗ addresses all the whole carbon footprint

5:15 ↗ so that was one possible need um the

5:18 ↗ second one is in the new cap policy b6

5:22 ↗ about expanding local energy generation

5:25 ↗ consumption and storage

5:29 ↗ um i'd like to get a clarification on

5:31 ↗ the meaning of local there

5:33 ↗ um not sure exactly

5:36 ↗ where that stretches to and how the

5:38 ↗ policy relates to our utility company

5:41 ↗ um is pse considered are local or

5:45 ↗ regional

5:47 ↗ and then number three um the new cap

5:50 ↗ policy f1

5:52 ↗ uh established emergency systems for 50

5:55 ↗ of the community

5:57 ↗ i i think that might need a little

5:58 ↗ better definition uh it seems like it

6:02 ↗ would be a huge thing and then i got to

6:04 ↗ thinking well are these systems being

6:06 ↗ coordinated with the city's other

6:08 ↗ emergency plans

6:10 ↗ about natural disasters and maybe that

6:12 ↗ would

6:14 ↗ maybe that would uh

6:16 ↗ make make it more clear

6:18 ↗ um how that would all work

6:20 ↗ it seems to need a little more

6:22 ↗ definition and then the last thing

6:25 ↗ is should there be an additional cap

6:27 ↗ goal

6:28 ↗ maybe a policy g

6:31 ↗ about frequent monitoring and adjusting

6:33 ↗ climate plans strategies and actions

6:36 ↗ based on measurable targets

6:39 ↗ is there already an overarching city

6:42 ↗ requirement for that or should it be in

6:45 ↗ this in these policies

6:48 ↗ so that was what i had um on that and

6:50 ↗ the only other thing is i know you're

6:52 ↗ going to take a look at the climate

6:53 ↗ action

6:54 ↗ uh the actions in the climate action

6:56 ↗ plan and i've already given comment on

6:58 ↗ that to the environmental board and i

7:00 ↗ sent you um in my written comments i

7:03 ↗ sent you what i said to the

7:04 ↗ environmental board on that i just want

7:06 ↗ to point out a couple things real

7:08 ↗ quickly and one

7:09 ↗ is that when you look at the

7:12 ↗ uh

7:13 ↗ strategies and actions in isolation the

7:16 ↗ at a glance

7:17 ↗ i think it can seem really disjointed

7:19 ↗ and i i encourage people to look and

7:23 ↗ review the whole plans matrix with the

7:26 ↗ goals the targets and then each one

7:28 ↗ having its own actions and strategies

7:31 ↗ because then it puts everything in a

7:33 ↗ context

7:34 ↗ context

7:35 ↗ and that will help assess how well the

7:38 ↗ strategies and actions actually support

7:40 ↗ the measurable targets and how the targ

7:44 ↗ if the targets are sufficient to meet

7:46 ↗ the goal so it's going to be really

7:48 ↗ important in the implementation of the

7:49 ↗ plan that people look at that whole

7:51 ↗ thing and not get caught in the weeds of

7:53 ↗ the actions because those are going to

7:54 ↗ probably have to change uh if we have a

7:57 ↗ good monitoring system and adjust them

8:01 ↗ um so thank you very much uh for this

8:04 ↗ opportunity to talk again with you and

8:07 ↗ i'll be on listening to what all your

8:09 ↗ comments are thank you

8:16 ↗ guys i'm gonna

8:18 ↗ make you a an attendee again

8:21 ↗ and there is no one else here to speak

8:30 ↗ ron you're muted

8:34 ↗ that's one

8:36 ↗ okay sorry

8:38 ↗ we'll try to keep it to one no more than

8:39 ↗ one

8:40 ↗ um okay well thank you very much uh

8:42 ↗ kristen for the public comments and so

8:44 ↗ we'll go ahead and move over into the

8:47 ↗ regular business and mini dollar ball is

8:49 ↗ going to go ahead and give us our

8:50 ↗ presentation today

8:52 ↗ actually it's going to be megan miss

8:54 ↗ murphy oh sorry

8:59 ↗ go ahead the floor is yours

9:04 ↗ happy to have minnie jump in if she

9:06 ↗ wants to though of course

9:08 ↗ probably swallowed on that one oh no

9:11 ↗ on the spot

9:13 ↗ yes

9:14 ↗ well good evening everyone it's nice to

9:15 ↗ see you again i'm megan curtis murphy

9:18 ↗ the senior sustainability coordinator

9:20 ↗ for the city and i'm going to talk

9:22 ↗ continue our discussion from last time

9:23 ↗ talk about the climate action plan

9:26 ↗ going ahead to share my screen now

9:39 ↗ all right i will assume you all see that

9:41 ↗ unless someone tells me otherwise great

9:47 ↗ all right

9:48 ↗ so the purpose of the meeting this

9:49 ↗ evening is to provide an update on where

9:51 ↗ we are in the climate action plan

9:53 ↗ process uh next we're going to review

9:55 ↗ feedback that we received from the

9:57 ↗ community and how this has shaped the

9:59 ↗ development of the plan

10:00 ↗ and last we've made some changes to the

10:02 ↗ policies proposed for the comprehensive

10:04 ↗ plan i would like your feedback on those

10:06 ↗ tonight

10:09 ↗ to ensure the plan is responsive to the

10:11 ↗ issaquah community we've had many

10:13 ↗ opportunities for public engagement on

10:15 ↗ the plan including meetings with boards

10:17 ↗ and commissions focus groups a community

10:20 ↗ convening and an online survey

10:22 ↗ this month we're also bringing the draft

10:24 ↗ plan to the environmental board and a

10:26 ↗ council study session for their input

10:28 ↗ and then hosting a second community

10:30 ↗ convening on climate to get the public's

10:32 ↗ input next month

10:36 ↗ as you saw it was a busy summer and

10:38 ↗ here's just a closer look at how we've

10:40 ↗ engaged with the community to date

10:42 ↗ the survey was widely promoted and we

10:44 ↗ received about 300 responses from the

10:47 ↗ community

10:48 ↗ we also want to ensure we are hearing

10:49 ↗ from those who may not be as

10:51 ↗ traditionally engaged in the plan so we

10:53 ↗ hosted two focus groups as well

10:55 ↗ one with representatives from the

10:57 ↗ business community and one focused on

10:58 ↗ centering equity in the plan

11:02 ↗ as you saw in the packet we included a

11:04 ↗ detailed engagement summary that

11:06 ↗ highlights feedback received from each

11:07 ↗ of the engagement efforts

11:09 ↗ so this slide summarizes the overarching

11:12 ↗ feedback we've heard to date from many

11:13 ↗ of those meetings

11:15 ↗ overall our community has come together

11:17 ↗ wanting issaquah to make stronger

11:19 ↗ commitments towards climate action and

11:21 ↗ be a regional leader

11:23 ↗ in this work they want to see outreach

11:24 ↗ and educational opportunities and a

11:27 ↗ commitment towards advocacy and

11:28 ↗ partnership in the region

11:31 ↗ they also want these actions delivered

11:32 ↗ with a strong emphasis on equity and

11:34 ↗ accessibility and they want the actions

11:36 ↗ to have multiple benefits and include

11:38 ↗ affordability

11:40 ↗ our community has also spoken towards

11:42 ↗ concern over what a changing climate

11:44 ↗ looks like for us aqua

11:45 ↗ citing impacts such as wildfires and

11:47 ↗ smoke extreme heat water availability

11:51 ↗ flooding and power outages

11:53 ↗ there's also been attention for the plan

11:55 ↗ to address the challenges of unintended

11:57 ↗ consequences the unique to topography of

12:00 ↗ issaquah and the city's funding and

12:02 ↗ capacity to execute a comprehensive

12:04 ↗ climate action plan

12:07 ↗ so based on this feedback we've made a

12:08 ↗ few significant changes to the icap

12:11 ↗ we added a cross-cutting climate actions

12:14 ↗ focus area which includes strategies

12:16 ↗ focused on community education outreach

12:19 ↗ the city leading by example

12:21 ↗ advocacy for state and federal climate

12:23 ↗ policies and regional collaboration

12:25 ↗ partnerships

12:27 ↗ next we prioritize actions in the

12:29 ↗ natural systems and community resilience

12:31 ↗ focus areas that have ecosystem health

12:34 ↗ and public health and safety co-benefits

12:37 ↗ we prioritize actions with the most

12:39 ↗ potential to reduce

12:41 ↗ greenhouse gas emissions in the

12:42 ↗ buildings in energy and transportation

12:44 ↗ land use focus areas

12:46 ↗ and we also add action to building

12:48 ↗ energy that specifically focuses on

12:50 ↗ advocating for increased electricity

12:52 ↗ grid reliability

12:54 ↗ finally we're working to identify and

12:56 ↗ mitigate against unintended consequences

12:59 ↗ of these actions as part of the

13:00 ↗ implementation planning

13:04 ↗ this slide provides more specific

13:06 ↗ feedback that we heard across the focus

13:08 ↗ areas on how to prioritize emission

13:10 ↗ reductions

13:12 ↗ so first starting with the buildings in

13:14 ↗ energy as this is one of the largest

13:15 ↗ opportunities for us to reduce our

13:17 ↗ emissions

13:18 ↗ we heard that solar ready all electric

13:20 ↗ and energy efficient new buildings are

13:22 ↗ important

13:23 ↗ we also heard retrofitting and existing

13:25 ↗ homes for existing homes and buildings

13:28 ↗ and expanding renewable energy options

13:30 ↗ is important

13:32 ↗ we've heard lots of support for

13:33 ↗ reduction in transportation through

13:35 ↗ expansion of a multimodal transportation

13:37 ↗ system

13:38 ↗ promoting telework and carpooling and

13:41 ↗ transitioning to electric vehicles

13:44 ↗ the next discuss priorities land use and

13:47 ↗ this fits into the code updates with

13:48 ↗ priorities around creating denser

13:51 ↗ mixed-use transit-oriented developments

13:53 ↗ diversifying building mix and

13:55 ↗ prioritizing missing building missing

13:57 ↗ mild housing

13:59 ↗ and requiring lead or a comparable

14:01 ↗ standard building through a menu-based

14:03 ↗ approach

14:05 ↗ for materials and consumption we've

14:07 ↗ heard that eliminating food waste is

14:09 ↗ important as well as promoting recycling

14:11 ↗ composting sustainable consumption and

14:13 ↗ zero waste

14:17 ↗ this slide provides some of the specific

14:18 ↗ feedback we heard around actions that

14:20 ↗ related to climate resilience and

14:22 ↗ adaptation

14:24 ↗ for community resilience we heard to

14:26 ↗ center the most vulnerable members of

14:28 ↗ the community

14:29 ↗ to plan for climate emergencies and

14:31 ↗ educate the community

14:33 ↗ and to increase resilience of the energy

14:34 ↗ grid

14:36 ↗ for natural systems the community wants

14:38 ↗ to see expansion of the tree canopy and

14:40 ↗ sequestration opportunities

14:42 ↗ protecting the health of riparian areas

14:44 ↗ ecosystems and habitats

14:46 ↗ and promoting native and low water use

14:49 ↗ plants and removing invasive species

14:52 ↗ regarding water the feedback centered on

14:54 ↗ conserving and reusing water especially

14:56 ↗ in outdoor use going above and beyond

14:59 ↗ ecology storm water management and

15:01 ↗ storage requirements

15:02 ↗ and preserving water quality especially

15:05 ↗ in riparian areas

15:09 ↗ so since our last meeting we've been

15:10 ↗ working to implement feedback into the

15:12 ↗ plan in response to what we've heard

15:14 ↗ from the community

15:16 ↗ first and foremost this has been done

15:18 ↗ through developing the draft climate

15:19 ↗ action plan including the full list of

15:21 ↗ actions that show how the city will

15:23 ↗ implement the policies and achieve the

15:25 ↗ stated goals

15:27 ↗ one of the things we heard in the last

15:29 ↗ ppc meeting was i want to see more of

15:31 ↗ the detail behind what the policies

15:33 ↗ would include

15:35 ↗ i hope that the draft climate action

15:37 ↗ plan

15:38 ↗ provides some of this detail with

15:40 ↗ listing all the actions under the

15:42 ↗ corresponding policies

15:44 ↗ in addition we made several changes to

15:46 ↗ the policies themselves that were

15:48 ↗ reviewed by the board at the last ppc

15:50 ↗ meeting

15:52 ↗ this includes and this is available in

15:54 ↗ the attachment a so this includes adding

15:57 ↗ language to highlight partnering in the

15:58 ↗ region and advocating for regional and

16:00 ↗ statewide policies

16:03 ↗ removing jargon like active

16:04 ↗ transportation to make the plan more

16:06 ↗ digestible

16:08 ↗ we updated the waste diversion target to

16:10 ↗ be more reachable

16:12 ↗ so currently in issaquah around 42

16:15 ↗ percent of our total waste is diverted

16:17 ↗ to the landfill

16:18 ↗ king county has a target to have zero

16:20 ↗ waste of resources by 2030 whereas

16:23 ↗ several of our neighboring jurisdictions

16:25 ↗ such as redmond and kirkland have a goal

16:27 ↗ of 70 of waste diverted from the

16:29 ↗ landfill

16:31 ↗ and that 70 percent is generally

16:32 ↗ considered to be a bit more realistic

16:34 ↗ than zero waste of resources

16:36 ↗ but of course the city will continue to

16:38 ↗ monitor this work towards

16:40 ↗ reducing waste first and then working on

16:43 ↗ diverting waste from the landfill

16:46 ↗ another area we heard a lot from the

16:48 ↗ community on was the tree canopy goal

16:51 ↗ so originally we were proposing to keep

16:53 ↗ it at the 50 percent but have now worked

16:56 ↗ to increase it to 55 percent to be both

16:58 ↗ responsive to the community's desire for

17:00 ↗ a higher target as well as understanding

17:03 ↗ the current landscape of our city

17:06 ↗ according to the 2019 tree canopy study

17:09 ↗ only about 16 of the city was identified

17:12 ↗ as possible planting area but many of

17:14 ↗ those areas may not actually be suitable

17:17 ↗ for planting due to steep slopes views

17:20 ↗ soil quality or other limitations such

17:23 ↗ as impervious surface

17:26 ↗ and at the same time we recognize the

17:27 ↗ implementation of this increased target

17:30 ↗ will need to occur in several areas

17:32 ↗ so we need to be a mix of code updates

17:35 ↗ including updating the tree code in

17:36 ↗ title 18 which i know this group is

17:38 ↗ working on

17:40 ↗ uh second it'll be part of implementing

17:42 ↗ the park strategic plan and the

17:44 ↗ continuation of forest management tree

17:46 ↗ planting and maintenance programs as

17:49 ↗ well as the funding and capacity to

17:51 ↗ continue doing those

17:53 ↗ and thirdly through private tree

17:55 ↗ planting and maintenance efforts as well

17:57 ↗ and so the climate action plan includes

18:00 ↗ actions related to each of those three

18:01 ↗ areas

18:04 ↗ and overall it'll be important to

18:05 ↗ consider not just the total number of

18:07 ↗ trees but also the right tree in the

18:09 ↗ right place so we're not just replacing

18:12 ↗ one large tree with one smaller tree as

18:14 ↗ we've heard from the community so we

18:16 ↗ need to be considering all the benefits

18:17 ↗ trees provide for people or fish or wild

18:20 ↗ or wildlife in our climate

18:23 ↗ the last change that was made was to

18:25 ↗ update the target for community

18:26 ↗ resilience and well-being around climate

18:28 ↗ emergency readiness

18:33 ↗ so all these updates were integrated

18:35 ↗ into the six focus areas of the plan

18:37 ↗ that are seen on this slide

18:39 ↗ we reviewed the goals and policies under

18:41 ↗ each of these focus areas at the last

18:43 ↗ meeting and the changes made are

18:45 ↗ outlined in attachment a in the packet

18:50 ↗ so with the action level detail that was

18:52 ↗ provided in the draft climate action

18:53 ↗ plan and this updated list of policies

18:56 ↗ we're hoping to get input on the

18:58 ↗ following policy question

19:00 ↗ do these goals and policies align with

19:02 ↗ the land use element in guiding

19:04 ↗ issaquah's future development

19:09 ↗ and to wrap up our discussion i want to

19:11 ↗ provide you with the next steps in the

19:12 ↗ plan

19:13 ↗ since we're updating the climate

19:14 ↗ policies and working on finalizing the

19:17 ↗ climate action plan there's two pathways

19:19 ↗ for those

19:20 ↗ so the first is for the climate goals

19:22 ↗ and policies to be incorporated into the

19:24 ↗ 2021 comprehensive plan updates this

19:27 ↗ will go to a public hearing in october a

19:30 ↗ study session in november and then

19:32 ↗ adopted by council in december

19:35 ↗ the second pathway is for the climate

19:36 ↗ action plan itself so for the plan we

19:39 ↗ have a council study session next week

19:41 ↗ another community convening to review

19:44 ↗ the draft plan in october and then a

19:46 ↗ final meeting with the environmental

19:48 ↗ board and then council for adoption in

19:50 ↗ december

19:53 ↗ so thank you for your time this evening

19:55 ↗ and i'm happy to answer any questions

19:58 ↗ on the proposed goals and policies

20:07 ↗ okay and thank you very much uh making

20:09 ↗ curtis murphy

20:10 ↗ so let's go ahead and open it up to uh

20:13 ↗ commissioner

20:14 ↗ questions

20:16 ↗ and open the chat if you have any

20:18 ↗ questions please post them now

20:24 ↗ and the first question is from jason

20:25 ↗ voice you have the floor

20:29 ↗ thank you chair foul and thank you miss

20:32 ↗ curtis murphy so just two points of

20:33 ↗ clarification i think on b1 it says

20:36 ↗ decrease energy use

20:38 ↗ um the def

20:39 ↗ energy is obviously a pretty big term

20:42 ↗ does that also include electricity so i

20:44 ↗ think a little bit more

20:46 ↗ explanation there and then c3 it says

20:48 ↗ the city will help facilitate

20:50 ↗ what does that mean

20:52 ↗ those are my just top two right off the

20:54 ↗ bat

20:58 ↗ sure the first one um so with energy we

21:02 ↗ use that term for including both

21:04 ↗ electricity and natural gas

21:06 ↗ um so

21:07 ↗ we could we could um you know maybe look

21:10 ↗ at adding that to the definitions

21:12 ↗ section just so that's a little bit more

21:13 ↗ clear of what exactly we're we're

21:15 ↗ talking about there

21:17 ↗ um and the second one

21:19 ↗ um i need to pull that up

21:21 ↗ you said it was which one was it b

21:25 ↗ uh c3

21:26 ↗ c3

21:32 ↗ um so i think that can mean a few

21:34 ↗ different things so i'm thinking about

21:35 ↗ some of the actions under it um so

21:38 ↗ you know facilitating the transition to

21:40 ↗ electric vehicles so that could be um

21:43 ↗ putting in more charging stations

21:44 ↗ themselves that could be

21:46 ↗ um promoting incentives that come out

21:49 ↗ through the state um so the city may not

21:51 ↗ be providing like financial incentives

21:53 ↗ themselves but we might

21:55 ↗ do like an outreach campaign around

21:58 ↗ incentives that are available

22:00 ↗ so it's just taking a couple different

22:02 ↗ pathways and how we can

22:04 ↗ try to get more people into electric

22:07 ↗ vehicles

22:15 ↗ okay and thank you

22:17 ↗ uh next question is from

22:20 ↗ joy joy you have the floor

22:23 ↗ thank you chair fall commissioner joy

22:25 ↗ lewis here um i do want a point of uh

22:28 ↗ correction chair fall would you like all

22:30 ↗ of us to have all of our comments right

22:32 ↗ now the climate action plan are you

22:34 ↗ planning on going through for instance

22:36 ↗ abc and then giving our feedback that

22:39 ↗ way

22:46 ↗ this question is for our chairs how you

22:47 ↗ would like to receive comments right now

22:49 ↗ at this time

22:50 ↗ sorry i was answering your question but

22:52 ↗ i was on mute again at three

22:55 ↗ oh my gosh

22:57 ↗ i hate when people keep track

22:59 ↗ uh let's go ahead and have all the

23:01 ↗ comments at the same time tonight

23:03 ↗ because the the way the presentation's

23:05 ↗ set up we can do that

23:07 ↗ as opposed to previous commission

23:09 ↗ meetings so all

23:10 ↗ comments will be made at the same time

23:14 ↗ okay

23:15 ↗ i want to start off by saying a huge

23:17 ↗ thank you

23:18 ↗ the way that this message was presented

23:20 ↗ to us the refinement of materials and

23:22 ↗ had a good flow

23:24 ↗ it was had a good readability um i

23:26 ↗ really enjoyed the document we had

23:28 ↗ tonight and i could see huge

23:31 ↗ improvements and a lot of work that went

23:32 ↗ into it so i want to start by saying

23:34 ↗ thank you to everybody involved members

23:35 ↗ of the community our staff

23:37 ↗ um

23:38 ↗ so uh that's the first thing um is that

23:41 ↗ this um climate action plan i think is

23:43 ↗ really what we were looking for the last

23:45 ↗ time we met this summer um hoping to get

23:47 ↗ that kind of feedback and so i feel like

23:49 ↗ we're at a really good place to actually

23:50 ↗ start having discussions about some of

23:52 ↗ these things because they're actually

23:53 ↗ down on paper we have a much better idea

23:55 ↗ of what's going on so

23:57 ↗ i really like the integration of

23:58 ↗ feedback

23:59 ↗ i can see a very real world examples of

24:01 ↗ that coming through on it so i want to

24:03 ↗ say thank you for that um

24:05 ↗ my first question is about the meeting

24:07 ↗ on 10 14

24:09 ↗ is that going to be before us or before

24:11 ↗ council

24:14 ↗ the next steps

24:17 ↗ that is the

24:18 ↗ um

24:20 ↗ i believe kristin that is the ppc public

24:22 ↗ hearing on the comprehensive plan

24:24 ↗ amendment i believe it was but i wasn't

24:26 ↗ wanting to speak out of place so before

24:28 ↗ that happens i would like to have some

24:31 ↗ type of additional meeting for

24:33 ↗ the community groups to be able to not

24:36 ↗ just be submitting email comments on

24:38 ↗ this i would like the city to be

24:39 ↗ actually receiving input now that we

24:42 ↗ have some more concrete policies in

24:44 ↗ place before we go to review this i

24:46 ↗ would like to basically have another

24:47 ↗ iteration of this draft in place or at

24:50 ↗ least be able to have concrete feedback

24:52 ↗ from the various groups that we've been

24:54 ↗ working with to say hey you've gotten a

24:56 ↗ more updated draft review where are you

24:58 ↗ guys at on this how do you feel what is

25:00 ↗ your feedback um to be able to allow for

25:02 ↗ us to have a more um a more detailed

25:05 ↗ refined and better touch on this when we

25:08 ↗ see it on the 14th rather than for

25:10 ↗ instance if when we see it next it's

25:11 ↗ just here the email comments we've

25:13 ↗ gotten and it's kind of at the same

25:14 ↗ place right i'd like to see this

25:16 ↗ document grow and change with community

25:18 ↗ response to the details we have now on

25:21 ↗ that um

25:23 ↗ right i'll start with on page 35 where

25:25 ↗ it has our general priorities and

25:27 ↗ concerns i think some language needs to

25:30 ↗ be added there for instance on the

25:31 ↗ general i think there needs to be a

25:32 ↗ collaboration in the region that

25:34 ↗ includes building standards that needs

25:36 ↗ to be called out

25:37 ↗ um i also think in the priorities and

25:40 ↗ equity it needs to be called out that

25:41 ↗ those that have the reduced capacity to

25:43 ↗ implement retrofitting requirements

25:46 ↗ and i'd like to see language and the

25:47 ↗ concerns that injury that addresses

25:49 ↗ increased flood patterns and the

25:51 ↗ reliability of the grid

25:53 ↗ um

25:54 ↗ so i think that in that page 35 there's

25:56 ↗ some additions to language that need to

25:59 ↗ be included we talk a lot about um

26:02 ↗ the ability to have all of our documents

26:05 ↗ working well together right so as we're

26:07 ↗ working on stormwater management as

26:09 ↗ we're working on our pieces having to do

26:11 ↗ with title 18 right we refer to other

26:13 ↗ things so it's important that this

26:15 ↗ document really be a supporting document

26:18 ↗ to the other pieces that we're

26:19 ↗ referencing right

26:20 ↗ so um

26:22 ↗ trey canopy is is a good example right

26:25 ↗ um so there needs to be a clear

26:27 ↗ direction from an environmental standard

26:29 ↗ that says for instance the

26:31 ↗ desire for height versus depth and that

26:34 ↗ valuation of our tree canopy um as a

26:36 ↗ direction um and that needs a further

26:38 ↗ deep dive right now in my opinion so um

26:41 ↗ as we look up at other things i'd like

26:43 ↗ to see this document have some pretty

26:45 ↗ clear direction that right now i think

26:47 ↗ it's missing

26:48 ↗ um for instance a connection with health

26:50 ↗ and wellness i think is missing um

26:52 ↗ and specifically calling out a ban on

26:54 ↗ chemicals um

26:56 ↗ you know climate resiliency also means

26:58 ↗ stopping the use of chemicals

26:59 ↗ insecticides and i'd like to see that

27:02 ↗ reflected

27:03 ↗ better in this document

27:04 ↗ um i'm going to bring everybody to part

27:07 ↗ e natural systems and water resources

27:10 ↗ um

27:11 ↗ for part four i would like to see a

27:13 ↗ mention of species that can adapt to

27:15 ↗ drier and a warmer climate

27:18 ↗ um and uh and use of a managed landscape

27:22 ↗ standards again this is because i have a

27:24 ↗ little sneak peek on title 18 so being

27:27 ↗ able to have this document help guide

27:29 ↗ our work in other places is vitally

27:31 ↗ important so um when we say hey

27:34 ↗ yep we're working on this part we need

27:36 ↗ everybody harmony and having the same

27:38 ↗ kind of messaging so i'd like to see

27:39 ↗ that kind of language um

27:42 ↗ in a prioritization on solutions

27:45 ↗ like the planting of appropriate

27:46 ↗ vegetation and rebuilding creek beds and

27:48 ↗ riparian corridors

27:50 ↗ i'm not seeing language on that but i

27:52 ↗ think it's important to really hit home

27:56 ↗ chair i promise i only have one more

27:57 ↗ section left and that's part f

28:00 ↗ grid resiliency um

28:02 ↗ i think that that could be mentioned in

28:04 ↗ the concerns area when we talk about f1

28:07 ↗ um i think that this actually has a huge

28:09 ↗ capability

28:10 ↗ part f alone i i think our commission

28:12 ↗ can speak for two hours about so i don't

28:14 ↗ want to take up a lot of time but i

28:16 ↗ think that there needs to be quite a bit

28:17 ↗ of discussion that goes into this um

28:20 ↗ so

28:21 ↗ for instance i think you could step part

28:23 ↗ step back to part c and talk about you

28:25 ↗ know what does multi-modal

28:26 ↗ transportation look like in emergencies

28:28 ↗ we're putting a lot of bags into the

28:30 ↗ basket of saying let's not have any

28:32 ↗ single single car rides but

28:34 ↗ as we're in right now it's often a

28:36 ↗ public health and safety issue

28:39 ↗ to be having multimodal transportation

28:41 ↗ so i think that's something that needs

28:42 ↗ to be addressed um

28:45 ↗ and i'd like to see a further discussion

28:47 ↗ into policy directions for the code

28:49 ↗ revisions right so a lot of times on our

28:51 ↗ um

28:53 ↗ from where we sit we need to have very

28:55 ↗ strict standards to be able to start

28:57 ↗ saying how is it that we want to have an

28:59 ↗ impact in the code

29:00 ↗ so you know an example could be emitting

29:02 ↗ natural gas from all new buildings by

29:04 ↗ 2023 right but i need to see

29:07 ↗ exact policy discretion about how we can

29:11 ↗ use our code

29:12 ↗ to get the changes that we're looking

29:14 ↗ for and i'm not seeing that right now um

29:17 ↗ it helps us to do that that kind of

29:19 ↗ double check on what we're doing with

29:21 ↗ title 18 so

29:22 ↗ thank you for listening to the comments

29:26 ↗ this is megan i just had a clarification

29:29 ↗ point on that

29:30 ↗ um so thank you for the comments um so

29:34 ↗ you mentioned wanting to have another

29:35 ↗ opportunity for public input before the

29:38 ↗ meeting on the 14th

29:40 ↗ so we will be going to council study

29:42 ↗ session next week

29:45 ↗ on tuesday so that would be an

29:46 ↗ opportunity for members of the public

29:49 ↗ to come and speak to that meeting in

29:51 ↗ response to the um the goals and the

29:55 ↗ policies as well as the actions at that

29:57 ↗ time

29:58 ↗ um and then we'd have another community

30:00 ↗ convening and that is it later in

30:02 ↗ october but there is that council

30:04 ↗ meeting that would be before the hearing

30:06 ↗ on the 14th

30:09 ↗ yes i did see on the 20th the community

30:11 ↗ convening and what i'm hoping is that in

30:13 ↗ some way that stakeholders um are able

30:16 ↗ to be alerted and notified and so

30:18 ↗ whether that happens in the study work

30:20 ↗ session for council or whether there's

30:21 ↗ not time for that on their agenda and it

30:23 ↗ needs to be a separate one that before

30:25 ↗ we see this

30:26 ↗ on the 14th right so this community

30:28 ↗ community is going to be happening after

30:30 ↗ and what i'm afraid of is that we're

30:31 ↗ going to be sent

30:33 ↗ effectively of the same packet

30:35 ↗ that may have some email comments from

30:37 ↗ the public and what i'd like to see is

30:39 ↗ that this is a fantastic draft but it's

30:41 ↗ also still in process i'd like when we

30:44 ↗ touch it again to be able to have it

30:45 ↗ further down that road was the comments

30:47 ↗ that i was trying to say

30:49 ↗ if possible

30:53 ↗ this is megan i'm i'm thinking about it

30:56 ↗ a little bit more out loud here um so

30:58 ↗ i'm trying to get an invitation out for

31:00 ↗ the convening

31:02 ↗ sooner rather than later but that date

31:03 ↗ has

31:04 ↗ been pretty firm in what we want to do

31:06 ↗ um

31:07 ↗ but i'm hoping maybe i can get it out

31:09 ↗ before

31:10 ↗ the council study session and alert them

31:13 ↗ to the fact that it's that the plan

31:15 ↗ would be going to council study session

31:17 ↗ first

31:18 ↗ um

31:19 ↗ and then so they would have an

31:20 ↗ opportunity to come to that and then the

31:21 ↗ convening later as well that would be

31:23 ↗ great because what that does is it just

31:25 ↗ it's that enabling of more voices to be

31:27 ↗ having more eyes on this as we touch and

31:29 ↗ refine and make this document better so

31:31 ↗ that would be great i will try my best

31:33 ↗ to get that out before that meeting

31:38 ↗ okay thank you very much commissioner

31:40 ↗ lewis uh so i also have a question but

31:43 ↗ rather i'll go last so i see that

31:46 ↗ there's two other commissioners that

31:47 ↗ have questions so

31:48 ↗ next one up would be matt monahan ron

31:51 ↗ would you mind if i jumped in here

31:52 ↗ really quickly sure so asking megan to

31:55 ↗ do this earlier than already planned is

31:57 ↗ kind of a lot and i know she's going to

31:58 ↗ try um

32:00 ↗ if that can't happen

32:02 ↗ does the commission i mean

32:04 ↗ this one person has spoken but how how

32:07 ↗ does the rest of the commission feel if

32:08 ↗ that can't happen

32:10 ↗ in which you get our comments from the

32:11 ↗ city council

32:13 ↗ on the 28th and hopefully the public as

32:15 ↗ well on the 28th

32:17 ↗ the council will have your comments

32:21 ↗ megan will present those comments to the

32:22 ↗ council

32:23 ↗ and hopefully the public will be there

32:25 ↗ if megan is unable to do that

32:27 ↗ our public hearing has to be held on

32:29 ↗ october 14th

32:30 ↗ so if the council is unable to do that

32:33 ↗ are you okay making a recommendation i

32:35 ↗ mean if megan's unable to do that are

32:37 ↗ you okay making a recommendation i'd

32:38 ↗ love to hear from the rest of you

32:47 ↗ megan it's already been through it's

32:49 ↗ been one it's been through one community

32:50 ↗ convening

32:52 ↗ it's been to the environmental board

32:54 ↗ i don't know how many times it's been to

32:56 ↗ council once

32:59 ↗ it's been to the environmental board two

33:01 ↗ times um

33:03 ↗ economic vitality commission

33:05 ↗ two focus groups a convening

33:08 ↗ and ppc previously

33:11 ↗ once

33:15 ↗ as well as the survey

33:16 ↗ it's not to speak out of turn but this

33:18 ↗ is the first time that we've seen this

33:20 ↗ document so i can't so while we've all

33:23 ↗ worked on this and a lot of people have

33:24 ↗ put their voices into it what i'm

33:26 ↗ talking about is this current draft

33:29 ↗ has everybody you just mentioned seen

33:31 ↗ the draft and already made comments on

33:33 ↗ the way we have i don't think so right

33:35 ↗ this is the first time we've saw it i

33:37 ↗ think it would be a different situation

33:38 ↗ if we had seen this document when we met

33:40 ↗ previously in the summer what my desire

33:43 ↗ is is that when we

33:45 ↗ look at this again in front of our

33:48 ↗ our workload is that we are seeing an

33:50 ↗ updated draft based on comments that

33:52 ↗ people have been able to make not just

33:54 ↗ in emails direct to the city but been

33:57 ↗ able to actually apply in real time as

33:59 ↗ this

34:00 ↗ very well tuned and needs to continue to

34:02 ↗ be refined document is from

34:05 ↗ necessary stakeholders

34:17 ↗ many

34:18 ↗ yeah i was wondering if um you know we

34:20 ↗ can separate out the golden policies

34:22 ↗ part from the climate action plan

34:25 ↗ totally i mean what needs to happen on

34:27 ↗ the 14th is for the comprehensive plan

34:29 ↗ which is just the additional gold and

34:31 ↗ policies piece and then there's a lot of

34:34 ↗ information about the actions and and

34:36 ↗ those kind of things that

34:37 ↗ uh i think maybe is is the the split

34:40 ↗ between the two

34:42 ↗ um as you'd all discuss in terms of the

34:44 ↗ next steps uh perhaps breaking it up

34:47 ↗ into you know are you okay with golden

34:49 ↗ policies language you may have more

34:52 ↗ additional feedback or desire for the

34:53 ↗ rest of the document

34:59 ↗ that's that's actually a really

35:01 ↗ important topic so let's discuss it uh

35:05 ↗ any commissioner's

35:07 ↗ thoughts on this

35:11 ↗ before i call on you

35:14 ↗ jeff well i'll go i'm okay with the

35:17 ↗ goals and policies moving forward our

35:19 ↗ city has been very actively involved as

35:21 ↗ far as climate change um but i also do

35:24 ↗ like what commissioner lewis has to say

35:26 ↗ this document is going to touch on a lot

35:28 ↗ of different areas and the more

35:30 ↗ that we can refine it the better

35:32 ↗ so if we can split them up just like

35:34 ↗ miss dollywall had just said i think

35:36 ↗ that's good i think like i said let that

35:38 ↗ one piece go to city council and let's

35:40 ↗ keep refining the other one

35:48 ↗ mr milligan

35:50 ↗ comment

35:53 ↗ well you know as i was looking at the

35:55 ↗ schedule

35:58 ↗ if yeah if we can parcel out

36:01 ↗ the section that we're actually voting

36:02 ↗ on in the uh on the 14th for the public

36:05 ↗ hearing so that we have a spine on the

36:07 ↗ document as we can

36:09 ↗ for the public hearing because it's kind

36:11 ↗ of responsibility that we

36:13 ↗ carry out i think that would serve the

36:15 ↗ needs that have been expressed i didn't

36:17 ↗ have that many concerns about the

36:18 ↗ schedule in the first place but that's a

36:20 ↗ nice refinement

36:24 ↗ excellent uh okay

36:26 ↗ i've got matt uh richard and sarah so

36:30 ↗ either of you have any comments you'd

36:32 ↗ like to make go ahead uh

36:34 ↗ commissioner zergozo

36:36 ↗ thank you chair um i think if if we can

36:38 ↗ see it again that's great if we can

36:41 ↗ split it up that's great

36:43 ↗ those things not being possible i think

36:46 ↗ it should move forward

36:49 ↗ that's it

36:53 ↗ okay

36:54 ↗ and uh go ahead commissioner monahan i

36:57 ↗ just agree with what richard just said

36:59 ↗ 100

37:03 ↗ i also agree uh commissioner bader yeah

37:06 ↗ for me having not kind of gone through

37:08 ↗ this process as many times as the rest

37:10 ↗ of you i

37:12 ↗ sounds good to me and i trust you all so

37:15 ↗ excellent all right

37:17 ↗ okay so minnie do you have enough to go

37:21 ↗ forward

37:24 ↗ christian do you um or megan

37:27 ↗ do you guys feel like you that that

37:29 ↗ makes sense

37:30 ↗ it does i think that's up to megan but

37:32 ↗ yes i mean the only thing that we talk

37:34 ↗ about that they vote on or make a

37:36 ↗ recommendation on are the goals and

37:37 ↗ policies the actions are in the are in

37:39 ↗ the plan itself

37:41 ↗ um which recommendation is actually made

37:43 ↗ by the environmental board

37:46 ↗ not the not the planning policy

37:47 ↗ commission

37:48 ↗ so um

37:50 ↗ are you good with that megan

37:52 ↗ yes thank you

37:54 ↗ thank you

37:58 ↗ okay and then now we'll go to a question

38:01 ↗ from uh commissioner monahan

38:05 ↗ thank you chair i'm matt monaghan uh two

38:07 ↗ questions um one relating to e1 and one

38:10 ↗ relating to f1

38:12 ↗ um megan you touched on it a little bit

38:14 ↗ in your presentation but i'd like you to

38:15 ↗ expound a little bit on why we think 55

38:18 ↗ is the right number we talked a lot

38:20 ↗ about in the prior meeting about 50 not

38:23 ↗ being the right number i just like to

38:24 ↗ understand why we landed on 55 and then

38:27 ↗ an f1 and i believe ann fletcher had

38:30 ↗ raised this in her very helpful i think

38:32 ↗ it was in her email about f1

38:35 ↗ when we talk about emergency systems

38:36 ↗ that serve 50 percent of isaac's

38:38 ↗ population

38:39 ↗ are we talking about emergency services

38:41 ↗ that are solely related to climate

38:43 ↗ um

38:44 ↗ related activities or does it is it all

38:46 ↗ encompassing

38:50 ↗ thank you

38:51 ↗ this is megan thank you for the

38:52 ↗ questions um with the tree canopy goal

38:55 ↗ um so as you know we've been talking a

38:58 ↗ lot about

38:59 ↗ trees with title 18 and overall tree

39:01 ↗ canopy and through this process with the

39:03 ↗ climate action plan i think it's been a

39:05 ↗ really great opportunity over the past

39:07 ↗ few months for the public to

39:10 ↗ be thinking about it more hearing about

39:12 ↗ it more and having opportunities to

39:14 ↗ voice their opinions on it and so we

39:16 ↗ heard that the community does want to

39:20 ↗ have some sort of entry increase tree

39:22 ↗ canopy but with that we heard it's not

39:25 ↗ just all about tree canopy you know it's

39:27 ↗ really about wanting to make sure that

39:29 ↗ we have

39:30 ↗ trees that are going to be providing um

39:33 ↗ all the benefits that they need to

39:34 ↗ including carbon sequestration related

39:36 ↗ to climate but also

39:38 ↗ um

39:39 ↗ you know wanting to focus them in

39:42 ↗ riparian areas so that they can provide

39:45 ↗ shade for fish and just a lot of

39:46 ↗ thoughts on

39:48 ↗ the types of trees and all of that so

39:50 ↗ have those details need to be

39:53 ↗ you know more in

39:55 ↗ the code for for the tree replacement

39:57 ↗ ones and then also parks departments

39:59 ↗ thinking about all of that and the trees

40:00 ↗ that they plant

40:02 ↗ so through that conversation we heard

40:04 ↗ really wanting to have an increase in

40:06 ↗ tree canopy but also wanting to really

40:08 ↗ focus on keeping the healthy trees that

40:10 ↗ we have

40:12 ↗ so with that dual focus

40:14 ↗ we thought 55 would be an appropriate

40:16 ↗ number

40:17 ↗ with that longer term

40:19 ↗ scale of the 25 or sorry by 55 by 2035.

40:25 ↗ um we do have some development in the

40:27 ↗ city now um we are going to be uh we're

40:30 ↗ planting lots of trees we planted 10 000

40:33 ↗ trees last year we're continuing to

40:34 ↗ plant trees so it's not you know every

40:36 ↗ year um you know the canopy what it is

40:40 ↗ you know it it will change a little bit

40:41 ↗ over time but we want to be working

40:44 ↗ towards increasing the tree canopy while

40:46 ↗ still making sure that we're maintaining

40:48 ↗ the trees that we have um so i don't

40:50 ↗ have the you know precise exact

40:53 ↗ calculation on it but we wanted to

40:55 ↗ increase it but also really keep that

40:57 ↗ focus on um wanting to do good urban

41:00 ↗ forestry and maintenance of trees that

41:02 ↗ we have so rather than putting all of

41:04 ↗ the efforts into just planting tons of

41:06 ↗ new trees we also want to be maintaining

41:08 ↗ the ones that we have

41:10 ↗ um and the second part of that so on f1

41:14 ↗ the emergency systems um so we just

41:17 ↗ hired or the city just hired an

41:19 ↗ emergency manager

41:22 ↗ maybe not even a month ago yet so we're

41:24 ↗ really excited about that position in

41:25 ↗ the city

41:27 ↗ and i had an opportunity to

41:29 ↗ sit down with him and

41:31 ↗ he's also really passionate about

41:32 ↗ climate change is excited about the

41:35 ↗ resilience section of this plan so

41:38 ↗ you know he started to have eyes on it

41:40 ↗ in his you know second week in the city

41:42 ↗ so we were talking about some of these

41:43 ↗ initiatives and he's really excited to

41:45 ↗ be incorporating

41:47 ↗ parts of the climate action plan and to

41:48 ↗ his planning efforts and and vice versa

41:52 ↗ so when we were talking about this

41:53 ↗ initial target um

41:56 ↗ i think

41:57 ↗ i think the target is for generally all

42:00 ↗ emergencies so

42:02 ↗ not just cooling centers for

42:05 ↗ heat waves but looking at other

42:06 ↗ emergencies as well

42:09 ↗ but i think that this this target could

42:11 ↗ get refined a little bit as he's able to

42:13 ↗ dive a little bit more into his planning

42:15 ↗ efforts but we wanted to have a starting

42:16 ↗ place

42:17 ↗ and we thought this would be an

42:18 ↗ appropriate place to do that

42:22 ↗ excellent thank you megan

42:26 ↗ okay and thank you

42:27 ↗ commissioner milligan you have the floor

42:31 ↗ thank you nina milligan here and thanks

42:34 ↗ to megan and the staff for the

42:36 ↗ really great report and

42:38 ↗ readable material and i also want to

42:40 ↗ thank the public comment especially ann

42:42 ↗ fletcher uh for all the work that she

42:44 ↗ did and and summaries she made

42:47 ↗ i have

42:49 ↗ i think they're questions in just that

42:51 ↗ i'd like to hear a little bit more about

42:53 ↗ how these things kind of work out and

42:55 ↗ one of them

42:57 ↗ so i have two of those one of them is to

42:58 ↗ follow on commissioner monahan's comment

43:00 ↗ about 50

43:02 ↗ i don't know what we're measuring there

43:04 ↗ are we saying 50 of our people will be

43:06 ↗ protected or

43:08 ↗ you know how what are we measuring when

43:10 ↗ we're measuring 50 so i need i haven't

43:12 ↗ heard that before i need more

43:13 ↗ information and the other has to do with

43:15 ↗ land use

43:17 ↗ certifications for buildings such as

43:19 ↗ leed that's mentioned in the

43:21 ↗ packet

43:22 ↗ and i wanted to hear more about how can

43:24 ↗ we

43:25 ↗ increase the sustainable

43:28 ↗ qualities in our buildings without

43:31 ↗ over burdening perhaps the affordability

43:33 ↗ of buildings through

43:34 ↗ very expensive certification programs

43:37 ↗ there have been some thought given to

43:40 ↗ some way that isaqua could perhaps

43:42 ↗ self-certify or

43:44 ↗ or something

43:45 ↗ because i know that that's a challenge

43:47 ↗ for especially as we're looking for

43:49 ↗ housing affordability and we're also

43:51 ↗ expanding our municipal campus thanks

43:54 ↗ megan not just those two

43:57 ↗ sure

43:58 ↗ for the first one with the emergency

44:00 ↗ management systems um i think that the

44:04 ↗ the 50 number is

44:07 ↗ is kind of looking

44:08 ↗ my i believe it's looking at basically

44:10 ↗ building

44:11 ↗ space for that um so you know assuming

44:14 ↗ if this was um if there was an emergency

44:16 ↗ probably not a hundred percent of people

44:18 ↗ would need a place to go um our services

44:23 ↗ um but i think you know when i talked

44:24 ↗ with um the emergency manager you know

44:27 ↗ his hope is to do even more um if that

44:29 ↗ would be needed but wanting to kind of

44:31 ↗ just learn a little bit more about

44:32 ↗ issaquah and and um dive a little bit

44:35 ↗ deeper into it first but um i think it

44:37 ↗ was a great kind of starter conversation

44:39 ↗ and and i agree i think there's probably

44:41 ↗ still some some questions in there um

44:44 ↗ and again i think that that could end up

44:46 ↗ being refined in some of the work that

44:48 ↗ he's doing

44:50 ↗ and that kind of goes to a little bit of

44:51 ↗ what we're hearing about you know

44:52 ↗ wanting to make sure that this is kind

44:54 ↗ of a living document and it is able to

44:56 ↗ be refined i do see it in that way so we

44:59 ↗ do want to um you know of course adopt

45:02 ↗ these policies in i see those more um

45:05 ↗ is more long-lasting but the actions

45:07 ↗ that might go along with them you know

45:08 ↗ we might want to change um some of those

45:11 ↗ over time after you know a few years

45:13 ↗ kind of

45:14 ↗ keep them nimble so i think there is an

45:16 ↗ opportunity for that refinement over

45:18 ↗ time

45:19 ↗ um

45:20 ↗ the second one so the certification

45:22 ↗ programs

45:23 ↗ so

45:24 ↗ this is a conversation that we're

45:25 ↗ starting to have through the title 18

45:27 ↗ discussion so wanting to ensure that our

45:30 ↗ our buildings um you know are are more

45:33 ↗ green or more sustainable um but not

45:36 ↗ necessarily wanting to pick one way for

45:38 ↗ that to be done so you know lead um

45:41 ↗ built green are a couple programs that

45:43 ↗ are around and um and are common in this

45:46 ↗ area but it's not the only ways um you

45:49 ↗ know in our public comment section

45:52 ↗ ann was talking about wanting to make

45:53 ↗ sure there's a tight building envelope

45:55 ↗ so passive house is another

45:57 ↗ certification program that

45:59 ↗ that some people look to to ensuring

46:01 ↗ that so i think there's a lot of options

46:03 ↗ in certification but certification might

46:05 ↗ not be the right path for all buildings

46:07 ↗ and you speak to the affordability piece

46:10 ↗ so we have been talking through that

46:11 ↗ title 18 piece about maybe doing some

46:14 ↗ sort of menu-based approach identifying

46:16 ↗ what the city's priorities are and maybe

46:18 ↗ you have to get a certain number of

46:19 ↗ points in that

46:21 ↗ and so that might be more of an

46:23 ↗ affordable pathway rather than having

46:25 ↗ certification cost

46:27 ↗ but wanting to make sure that we have

46:28 ↗ something up front because when you're

46:30 ↗ planning for green building early on

46:32 ↗ then you're able to incorporate the cost

46:34 ↗ a lot more

46:36 ↗ the last thing i'll say on that with the

46:37 ↗ affordability piece i think that

46:40 ↗ that's something that we definitely want

46:41 ↗ to think and talk about we've done that

46:43 ↗ with the electric vehicle ordinance we

46:45 ↗ kind of pulled that affordability piece

46:47 ↗ out and found what we thought was right

46:49 ↗ for issaquah to address that um so i

46:51 ↗ could see doing something like that with

46:53 ↗ that sort of program in the future too

46:59 ↗ okay thank you

47:00 ↗ and commissioner bader you have the

47:02 ↗ floor

47:03 ↗ yeah thank you and this is sarah bader i

47:05 ↗ have kind of an overarching comment

47:07 ↗ slash question on all of the policies

47:10 ↗ because as i look at these i think some

47:12 ↗ of them

47:13 ↗ are written and it's really clear what

47:15 ↗ success would look like they're like

47:16 ↗ great smart objectives that have you

47:18 ↗ know by what or buy one and you know how

47:21 ↗ much

47:22 ↗ um there are others that i think are a

47:23 ↗ little more vague where it's just you

47:26 ↗ know increase or improve and that might

47:28 ↗ not be as measurable or at least the

47:30 ↗ targets and kind of what we're trying to

47:31 ↗ accomplish through those policies or not

47:34 ↗ um not so clear i think at first at

47:37 ↗ first glance at least and so i'm

47:38 ↗ wondering if there is a refinement

47:40 ↗ process that'll happen um on these

47:42 ↗ policies to get to those

47:44 ↗ kind of more measurable clear you know

47:46 ↗ this is what we're trying to accomplish

47:47 ↗ through this targets for some of the

47:48 ↗ policies that don't have those kind of

47:51 ↗ clear targets outlined right now

47:56 ↗ this is megan um just a full question on

47:58 ↗ that so i think most of them have the

48:01 ↗ numbers

48:03 ↗ except for that that f1 that emergency

48:05 ↗ systems one i think that one as we've

48:08 ↗ talked about a little bit could probably

48:09 ↗ use a little bit more refinement

48:11 ↗ um

48:12 ↗ so i think most of them kind of have

48:14 ↗ have a number and target um with a year

48:17 ↗ but but not that one yet like i see like

48:21 ↗ d2 d3

48:23 ↗ e2

48:25 ↗ e4

48:26 ↗ um

48:28 ↗ there's not a

48:29 ↗ kind of numerical target

48:32 ↗ right

48:33 ↗ yeah so i think the we tried to do

48:35 ↗ numerical targets um one or two per per

48:39 ↗ focus area and then the other ones are

48:41 ↗ more um policy

48:44 ↗ um

48:45 ↗ more kind of guiding policy than with

48:47 ↗ the actions under them but we can take a

48:49 ↗ look at that a little bit more

48:54 ↗ okay thank you

48:55 ↗ uh any other commissioners have a

48:57 ↗ question oh commissioner lewis you have

48:59 ↗ the floor

49:02 ↗ thank you chair uh commissioner joy

49:04 ↗ lewis i don't want to take um sarah's

49:07 ↗ words from her mouth but what i'm

49:08 ↗ hearing a little bit about what she's

49:10 ↗ saying is that we want to be able to

49:12 ↗ have really measurable and like targets

49:15 ↗ right are we achieving or are we not

49:17 ↗ achieving it's nice to say that this is

49:19 ↗ a living document um and things can be

49:21 ↗ changed but sometimes that ends up being

49:23 ↗ code for that's tomorrow's problem right

49:25 ↗ and that's exactly the opposite of what

49:27 ↗ we want to do with our climate action

49:29 ↗ plan um is we want to make real change

49:31 ↗ right now so um i don't want to speak

49:33 ↗ for her but what i want to say is that

49:35 ↗ from her comments what i was certainly

49:36 ↗ getting is that there's room for putting

49:38 ↗ much more measurable

49:40 ↗ what we hope to achieve right like so

49:42 ↗ megan when i had emailed you

49:44 ↗ specifically about like the waste

49:45 ↗ numbers like the 70 by 2030 and then 90

49:48 ↗ by 2050 what happened to 2040 right like

49:52 ↗ there's got to be some type of equation

49:53 ↗ about waste management that i'm missing

49:55 ↗ as to that's not being presented to me

49:56 ↗ as to why these targets were chosen and

49:59 ↗ then how does that then coalesce along

50:01 ↗ so it would be great to have more

50:03 ↗ measurable distinctions of success

50:11 ↗ okay and i'm not seeing any additional

50:14 ↗ questions from commissioners so i'm

50:15 ↗ going to go ahead and go

50:17 ↗ um

50:18 ↗ thank you very much commissioner lewis

50:21 ↗ so i have a couple questions here

50:24 ↗ related to one goal

50:26 ↗ to joys and sarah's point as well

50:30 ↗ being an analyst where how do we

50:33 ↗ benchmark where we're at today how do we

50:35 ↗ benchmark

50:37 ↗ our progress through the coming years so

50:39 ↗ that we can actually measure the results

50:44 ↗ and determine whether or not we are on

50:46 ↗ target behind target or ahead of target

50:50 ↗ for instance uh

50:52 ↗ under goal b

50:54 ↗ for building an energy b1 decrease

50:56 ↗ energy use

50:58 ↗ in new and existing buildings by 25

51:01 ↗ how do we measure that um

51:04 ↗ what is it today

51:06 ↗ and so that when 2030 comes around how

51:08 ↗ do we know that we've actually

51:10 ↗ accomplished

51:12 ↗ or our 25

51:15 ↗ decrease in energy consumption so i

51:17 ↗ think we need to have some

51:20 ↗ understanding of where

51:22 ↗ these metrics are in the policy itself

51:25 ↗ not necessarily have

51:27 ↗ the formulas there because i realize as

51:29 ↗ a policy it's too high up

51:31 ↗ but you know decreased energy use in new

51:34 ↗ and existing buildings by 25 percent

51:36 ↗ based on

51:38 ↗ utility

51:40 ↗ metrics or pse standards or something

51:42 ↗ like that so that we can have something

51:44 ↗ actually reference and then

51:47 ↗ behind the scenes we have the the code

51:49 ↗ or the metrics

51:51 ↗ um i think that's kind of important for

51:52 ↗ the public to be able to see it that

51:54 ↗ leads transparency

51:56 ↗ and

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51:58 ↗ people want to know

52:04 ↗ this is built upon as opposed to just

52:06 ↗ hypothetically saying oh we're gonna

52:08 ↗ it's a great goal to say 25 but not

52:11 ↗ really know what that means

52:13 ↗ uh my next question um is

52:17 ↗ actually has to do with decreased energy

52:19 ↗ use in new and existing buildings by 25

52:24 ↗ is that what type of buildings is that

52:26 ↗ is that are we looking at

52:28 ↗ facilities are we looking at government

52:30 ↗ residential commercial

52:33 ↗ is it new retrofit remodels

52:37 ↗ so maybe a little bit more clarity on

52:39 ↗ what that is and maybe actually spell it

52:41 ↗ out

52:44 ↗ and then also looking at

52:54 ↗ reduce overall building energy use and

52:56 ↗ improving energy resilience by advancing

52:58 ↗ residential commercial and municipal

53:00 ↗ energy efficiency retrofits

53:03 ↗ so

53:05 ↗ is

53:06 ↗ b1 just a high level

53:10 ↗ where b2 b3 b4 b5 kind of roll up into

53:13 ↗ or is b1 actually

53:16 ↗ a stated

53:17 ↗ fact

53:18 ↗ a stated policy and each

53:20 ↗ b1 b2 b3 b4 are individual policies so

53:25 ↗ it just sounds like

53:27 ↗ it's a roll-up but i don't understand

53:30 ↗ so i need help understanding what that

53:31 ↗ means

53:33 ↗ that's my question

53:36 ↗ yes this is megan

53:37 ↗ so i think one of the gaps that we had

53:40 ↗ in this draft plan

53:42 ↗ is the implementation plan because we're

53:44 ↗ we're still working on that where i

53:46 ↗ think a lot of these answers will will

53:48 ↗ lay so

53:49 ↗ i will try to um

53:52 ↗ get kind of give some some look ahead of

53:53 ↗ what they'll look like and again that's

53:55 ↗ not going to be part of the goals and

53:57 ↗ policies that would be going in the

53:58 ↗ comprehensive plan but it is just more

54:00 ↗ explanation about this reporting

54:02 ↗ mechanism

54:04 ↗ um

54:05 ↗ so

54:05 ↗ uh

54:07 ↗ a couple things so the overall um

54:11 ↗ targets that you're seeing so those

54:12 ↗ first ones first one or two and for each

54:15 ↗ of the policies um that is kind of the

54:18 ↗ the target for that whole area so the

54:20 ↗ policies do the rest of the policies in

54:22 ↗ that focus area do roll up into it

54:26 ↗ we will be reporting out on those

54:28 ↗ metrics

54:30 ↗ annually and that is already occurring

54:32 ↗ for some so including overall energy use

54:35 ↗ in the city our diversion numbers

54:39 ↗ that is those are metrics that are

54:41 ↗ currently in the city's performance

54:43 ↗ measurement plan so quarterly the city

54:45 ↗ council receives the performance

54:47 ↗ measurement metrics

54:50 ↗ that has 50ish or so i don't think

54:52 ↗ they're all being reported on yet um but

54:55 ↗ they receive a report of updates on

54:56 ↗ those so several of these metrics align

54:59 ↗ with that so are being reported on that

55:01 ↗ way but um as part of the environmental

55:03 ↗ board we have an annual report in the in

55:06 ↗ that so we will be planning to update on

55:08 ↗ these metrics annually

55:10 ↗ um through that reporting mechanism so

55:12 ↗ that would be something that's produced

55:14 ↗ by the environmental

55:15 ↗ uh the environmental board and then goes

55:17 ↗ to council um kind of as their their

55:20 ↗ their work plan what they've been doing

55:22 ↗ and accomplishing

55:23 ↗ um

55:26 ↗ i think i think that's that's most of

55:29 ↗ the answers

55:30 ↗ so any follow-up sorry when you

55:32 ↗ mentioned pse are you talking about

55:36 ↗ also including residential so does the

55:38 ↗ city have the capability to see not

55:40 ↗ individual residential but

55:42 ↗ overall residential energy use

55:44 ↗ throughout the city

55:46 ↗ yes so that's the total community-wide

55:50 ↗ energy use that we're reporting on so

55:52 ↗ it's not separating out um

55:54 ↗ you know municipal but it is separate

55:57 ↗ it's separating out residential

55:59 ↗ industrial and commercial

56:01 ↗ so we're reporting on it in that in that

56:03 ↗ way and that's um

56:05 ↗ and we get both electricity and natural

56:07 ↗ gas numbers for that

56:09 ↗ okay so do we want to actually treat

56:12 ↗ residential commercial and government

56:15 ↗ separately in metrics

56:18 ↗ because they're so different

56:21 ↗ i mean

56:22 ↗ looking at a policy 25 percent well

56:26 ↗ what is that is that

56:29 ↗ everything all rolled up or is that

56:31 ↗ commercial

56:32 ↗ government because the city could hit a

56:34 ↗ goal that would be great aspiration

56:36 ↗ because that's with

56:38 ↗ in your control

56:39 ↗ and then

56:40 ↗ maybe have a target for commercial like

56:43 ↗ costco and home depot and lowe's and

56:47 ↗ retail and then have additional target

56:49 ↗ for

56:50 ↗ residential

56:53 ↗ instead of having one policy say by 25

56:57 ↗ split it up into policies say decrease

56:59 ↗ energy use by

57:00 ↗ 25

57:02 ↗ in

57:04 ↗ commercial

57:05 ↗ 30 percent in city

57:07 ↗ and

57:08 ↗ 15 and residential or something like

57:10 ↗ that

57:13 ↗ is that something we can do

57:17 ↗ um this is megan

57:19 ↗ uh so we will be reporting on

57:22 ↗ the those three sectors um i don't know

57:25 ↗ if i have enough

57:26 ↗ information in order to

57:29 ↗ have

57:30 ↗ specific different targets for each of

57:33 ↗ those at this point maybe that's

57:34 ↗ something we could look to in the future

57:36 ↗ once we

57:39 ↗ get rolling a little bit more with some

57:40 ↗ of these actions down the line but right

57:42 ↗ now we would be reporting out on each of

57:44 ↗ those sectors but just having this one

57:46 ↗ overall goal

57:49 ↗ okay

57:50 ↗ okay

57:52 ↗ uh looks like we have another question

57:54 ↗ from uh commissioner voice

57:58 ↗ thank you chairfell commissioner voice

58:00 ↗ so just so i understand the way i'm

58:02 ↗ reading this is

58:04 ↗ tell me if i'm wrong

58:06 ↗ this is basically just a road map right

58:08 ↗ these are the stated goals the policies

58:10 ↗ kind of how what we want to do to meet

58:12 ↗ those goals and then ms curtis murphy

58:15 ↗ you mentioned an implication

58:16 ↗ implementation plan that's going to come

58:18 ↗ basically behind this that this is just

58:21 ↗ kind of the road map

58:22 ↗ where we want to go

58:24 ↗ the idea of how we're going to get there

58:26 ↗ you know there's five different ways to

58:27 ↗ get to bellevue

58:29 ↗ we're still just trying to get where

58:30 ↗ we're going so i think because you know

58:33 ↗ this group loves

58:34 ↗ specificity when do we get to see an imp

58:37 ↗ implementation plan i think right so

58:40 ↗ we're all kind of looking at b1 for

58:41 ↗ example we want to know exactly what

58:43 ↗ that looks like how do we measure it

58:45 ↗ is that really what you guys are asking

58:47 ↗ us to do or are you guys looking for us

58:49 ↗ just kind of to be like well these look

58:51 ↗ like good goals and

58:53 ↗ good policies to get there but we'll

58:55 ↗ kind of see the you know the refined

58:58 ↗ document a little bit later down the

58:59 ↗ road i just i'm trying to clarify for

59:01 ↗ myself

59:03 ↗ you know i understand what

59:05 ↗ you guys want to see

59:06 ↗ um happen by the 14th

59:09 ↗ and again this group likes

59:12 ↗ granular

59:14 ↗ things to look at

59:16 ↗ so again that's just my reading of it as

59:18 ↗ you guys are just kind of going okay

59:20 ↗ this is the policy this is the goal to

59:22 ↗ get to the policy or vice versa and then

59:25 ↗ we're going to be able to look at other

59:27 ↗ metrics down the road

59:29 ↗ megan madge up in

59:30 ↗ here so this is a place ppc is not used

59:33 ↗ to being in right so until a year or two

59:36 ↗ ago we didn't have an environmental

59:38 ↗ board we didn't have a transportation

59:40 ↗ advisory board um and so all of these

59:42 ↗ plans that come through

59:44 ↗ ppc would have looked at the goals the

59:47 ↗ visions the goals the policies and any

59:49 ↗ implementation items that go with it

59:51 ↗ right

59:53 ↗ it's a little different now we do have a

59:55 ↗ transportation advisory board so you may

59:56 ↗ recall that when they review when you

59:58 ↗ all review those goals and policies

1:00:00 ↗ those went into the plan and you had a

1:00:02 ↗ chance to look at the actions or the

1:00:04 ↗ implementation and comment on that but

1:00:06 ↗ that was

1:00:08 ↗ ultimately

1:00:09 ↗ uh the tab made a recommendation on that

1:00:11 ↗ to counsel

1:00:12 ↗ so you guys got to comment on it but it

1:00:14 ↗ was the tabs recommendation same thing

1:00:17 ↗ happened um

1:00:19 ↗ same thing will happen with this one

1:00:20 ↗ same thing will happen and the

1:00:22 ↗ environmental board will make the

1:00:23 ↗ recommendation so i think megan may be

1:00:25 ↗ looking for comments and some feedback

1:00:27 ↗ um but the environmental board is there

1:00:29 ↗ because they're sort of you guys are

1:00:31 ↗ really good at it but they're the

1:00:32 ↗ experts in the environment right so um

1:00:34 ↗ you know i think that's megan correct me

1:00:36 ↗ if i'm wrong but i think our focus

1:00:38 ↗ tonight and it's hard for you guys to do

1:00:39 ↗ because it hasn't always been this way

1:00:40 ↗ in the past i mean look at central is

1:00:42 ↗ upon old town you know that was all

1:00:44 ↗ yours so i think it's a little different

1:00:46 ↗ this time um but megan you can

1:00:48 ↗ clarify um if you'd like if i didn't get

1:00:51 ↗ that right

1:00:53 ↗ this is megan um no i think that's

1:00:55 ↗ that's about right and um two nights ago

1:00:57 ↗ we had the meeting with the

1:00:58 ↗ environmental board where we were really

1:01:00 ↗ deep in in the actions um so they had

1:01:03 ↗ talked about the goals and policies um

1:01:06 ↗ previously as we had talked about the

1:01:07 ↗ goals and policies back at our august

1:01:10 ↗ meeting

1:01:11 ↗ and so the meeting two nights ago

1:01:13 ↗ they're really doing that deep dive on

1:01:16 ↗ the actions themselves and then so

1:01:18 ↗ tonight i was hoping to get um

1:01:21 ↗ you know thoughts on some of the actions

1:01:22 ↗ but i really wanted them to be

1:01:24 ↗ illustrative of what

1:01:26 ↗ those goals and policies are going to be

1:01:28 ↗ doing because those goals and policies

1:01:29 ↗ are a little bit higher level um so we

1:01:32 ↗ talked about them in august and then i i

1:01:35 ↗ have attachment a that kind of has the

1:01:37 ↗ redlining pieces of what's changed

1:01:40 ↗ so i want to make sure that i heard you

1:01:42 ↗ guys correctly at that meeting and so

1:01:44 ↗ that that's reflected in in those goals

1:01:47 ↗ and policies but if there's thoughts on

1:01:48 ↗ the actions you know happy to have those

1:01:50 ↗ as well so as we said we are still

1:01:53 ↗ collecting input at that action level

1:01:55 ↗ and that will be what um the client the

1:01:57 ↗ next climate convenience focused on as

1:01:59 ↗ well um

1:02:01 ↗ so i think it's it's pretty similar what

1:02:02 ↗ kristin was mentioning i have one more

1:02:04 ↗ time one of my favorite comments that

1:02:06 ↗ lucy sloman said one time is that the

1:02:08 ↗ vision or the intent

1:02:10 ↗ will remain the same but how you get

1:02:12 ↗ there can change

1:02:13 ↗ so what you're looking for the vision

1:02:15 ↗ and the intent

1:02:16 ↗ what do you want to achieve right

1:02:19 ↗ what is the bigger picture here and then

1:02:22 ↗ the environmental board looks at it and

1:02:23 ↗ says this is how we're going to get

1:02:24 ↗ there

1:02:25 ↗ that makes sense

1:02:27 ↗ it makes a lot of sense and like i said

1:02:28 ↗ this is the thing about the two new

1:02:30 ↗ boards is

1:02:31 ↗ is getting used to the idea okay we're

1:02:33 ↗ not going to get into that type of

1:02:34 ↗ specificity because we just created two

1:02:37 ↗ boards to do that for us

1:02:39 ↗ and you know it's letting go of that

1:02:41 ↗ which i think you know some of us might

1:02:43 ↗ not be used to because again to a

1:02:45 ↗ previous commissioner's point you know

1:02:47 ↗ we're used to really getting into the

1:02:48 ↗ weeds

1:02:49 ↗ and it's like you know you're looking at

1:02:51 ↗ documents like what we're never going to

1:02:52 ↗ see them again

1:02:53 ↗ what

1:02:55 ↗ so i think just for me like i said

1:02:57 ↗ trying to understand what it is you guys

1:02:58 ↗ want which it's making more sense

1:03:01 ↗ because again like you said we're

1:03:02 ↗ supposed to be leaning on these boards

1:03:04 ↗ for their expertise because they're the

1:03:05 ↗ ones reading the documents they're the

1:03:06 ↗ ones spending hours of their own time

1:03:08 ↗ and for us we're really like you said

1:03:10 ↗ we're at that high level kind of going

1:03:12 ↗ don't really like that policy or that

1:03:13 ↗ goal but again i guess it's no longer

1:03:16 ↗ our playground to be talking about

1:03:19 ↗ certain metrics anymore

1:03:25 ↗ thank you

1:03:27 ↗ thank you

1:03:28 ↗ so

1:03:29 ↗ i'm going to go back to b1 and

1:03:33 ↗ specificity i and i i hear what you're

1:03:36 ↗ saying um

1:03:38 ↗ about

1:03:39 ↗ being higher level and i look at this

1:03:42 ↗ and i it is high level so

1:03:45 ↗ when we say 25

1:03:47 ↗ by

1:03:48 ↗ 2030 from 2017 levels

1:03:51 ↗ i can understand what the environmental

1:03:53 ↗ board is rolling up into that

1:03:56 ↗ should we also clarify whether that is

1:04:01 ↗ gas versus electricity

1:04:04 ↗ or do we

1:04:05 ↗ not want to do that in this document and

1:04:08 ↗ keep it very high level

1:04:09 ↗ this isn't gas and electricity

1:04:13 ↗ opposites

1:04:16 ↗ this is megan i think

1:04:17 ↗ um so i think commissioner voice was was

1:04:20 ↗ asking about that earlier as well so i

1:04:22 ↗ think that that probably is a point that

1:04:24 ↗ we should clarify here that energy use

1:04:27 ↗ is electricity natural gas

1:04:29 ↗ um so it is both so i think probably

1:04:31 ↗ adding that into that policy would

1:04:33 ↗ probably make sense

1:04:35 ↗ okay yeah

1:04:38 ↗ having that language in there it would

1:04:39 ↗ be helpful

1:04:40 ↗ uh okay let's move on and there any

1:04:43 ↗ other additional questions that we have

1:04:51 ↗ not seen any additional questions okay

1:04:54 ↗ um so with that said

1:04:57 ↗ um

1:04:58 ↗ megan curtis do you have additional

1:05:00 ↗ presentation material that you would

1:05:01 ↗ like to cover tonight

1:05:04 ↗ no i do not

1:05:06 ↗ okay uh kristen

1:05:11 ↗ our next steps here is this are we done

1:05:14 ↗ unless you would like to take public

1:05:16 ↗ comment on this we are

1:05:19 ↗ i'm like a section

1:05:21 ↗ uh well let's go ahead and open up the

1:05:23 ↗ public comment and see if anybody has

1:05:25 ↗ any public comments

1:05:28 ↗ so we

1:05:29 ↗ one uh ann fletcher is here and your

1:05:31 ↗ hand is raised

1:05:33 ↗ um if you would like to speak could you

1:05:35 ↗ either let me know in the chat or maybe

1:05:37 ↗ take your hand out

1:05:47 ↗ i think we're good

1:05:50 ↗ yeah wait i'm gonna unmute her one for

1:05:52 ↗ one second

1:05:54 ↗ and would you like to speak oh

1:05:57 ↗ uh

1:05:58 ↗ uh

1:06:01 ↗ yeah i guess maybe i would like to say

1:06:02 ↗ one thing

1:06:05 ↗ and i'm sorry i i couldn't find my hand

1:06:10 ↗ i remember that from last time so that's

1:06:11 ↗ that's okay um let me make you a

1:06:13 ↗ panelist really quick okay okay

1:06:16 ↗ okay you can turn your video on

1:06:19 ↗ okay

1:06:21 ↗ great okay thank you this has been a

1:06:23 ↗ really interesting discussion um and i i

1:06:26 ↗ do think

1:06:27 ↗ it was great to clarify the two levels

1:06:30 ↗ you're kind of working parallel at two

1:06:31 ↗ different levels here um and and that's

1:06:34 ↗ confusing i think sometimes um

1:06:37 ↗ uh and that's one of the reasons i

1:06:40 ↗ suggested that if you want to look at

1:06:42 ↗ the

1:06:44 ↗ actions uh or the actually the climate

1:06:48 ↗ action plan

1:06:50 ↗ that you look at the whole thing

1:06:52 ↗ as opposed to just looking at some

1:06:54 ↗ actions or just looking even just

1:06:56 ↗ looking at the goals and policies i can

1:06:58 ↗ see where you feel

1:07:00 ↗ i like to work at the granular level too

1:07:02 ↗ i can see where you feel like you need

1:07:04 ↗ feel like you need to know more um

1:07:06 ↗ and i think it's important to look at um

1:07:09 ↗ to to be able to

1:07:11 ↗ see

1:07:12 ↗ all of that together and if you um i

1:07:14 ↗ think there is a link in

1:07:17 ↗ what megan sent out that has

1:07:20 ↗ the full plan and if you go to

1:07:22 ↗ um past the

1:07:24 ↗ actions at a glance and go to the full

1:07:27 ↗ plan

1:07:28 ↗ it has everything it has the the goal

1:07:32 ↗ uh the

1:07:33 ↗ the um

1:07:36 ↗ it has the the higher level stuff and

1:07:39 ↗ then it under each of those it has a

1:07:42 ↗ strategy in action but the goal and the

1:07:44 ↗ target has a target

1:07:46 ↗ and that's what some of you are asking

1:07:48 ↗ for those targets those measurable

1:07:50 ↗ targets and it even has

1:07:52 ↗ how they are going to be measured and

1:07:55 ↗ megan talked about some of the different

1:07:56 ↗ ways that they're already measuring

1:07:59 ↗ things and there are some pretty good

1:08:01 ↗ measurements in there and i think it

1:08:03 ↗ might make you feel better to be able to

1:08:05 ↗ look at those and see

1:08:07 ↗ that there are measurements that are

1:08:09 ↗ really concrete that they're finding for

1:08:12 ↗ as many of the targets as possible

1:08:15 ↗ and um

1:08:16 ↗ and and then we can look and see our or

1:08:19 ↗ do we have enough targets that are

1:08:21 ↗ really getting us to the goal

1:08:23 ↗ uh do we have or do the actions really

1:08:27 ↗ get us to our targets and that's going

1:08:29 ↗ to be the real amazing fun of the plan

1:08:32 ↗ as we implement it

1:08:34 ↗ well i that's how i looked at it and i i

1:08:37 ↗ i felt in the discussion that you were

1:08:40 ↗ that that's kind of the the way that

1:08:43 ↗ the way that the group was coming

1:08:45 ↗ together on it

1:08:48 ↗ but that material is there for you to

1:08:50 ↗ look at as needed

1:08:53 ↗ so you don't have to feel like you're

1:08:54 ↗ out there just with this higher level

1:08:57 ↗ abstract plan

1:08:59 ↗ it's it's there you just have to dig a

1:09:01 ↗ little bit for it

1:09:02 ↗ thank you

1:09:10 ↗ okay kristen are there any additional uh

1:09:12 ↗ members of the public would like to make

1:09:14 ↗ a comment there are no other members of

1:09:17 ↗ the public present

1:09:18 ↗ excellent okay uh and thank you ann for

1:09:20 ↗ that uh wonderful insights there um

1:09:24 ↗ okay so moving forward

1:09:27 ↗ i'm just not used to having such a short

1:09:29 ↗ meeting

1:09:31 ↗ it takes me off guard here uh okay so i

1:09:33 ↗ guess we're gonna go ahead and move on

1:09:35 ↗ to reports so uh kristen do we have any

1:09:38 ↗ uh reports updates

1:09:41 ↗ um no i'd like to thank megan um

1:09:45 ↗ let's see

1:09:47 ↗ had some stuff written down one second

1:09:49 ↗ yes so

1:09:51 ↗ you'll notice there was no calendar in

1:09:52 ↗ your packet this week

1:09:54 ↗ and that is because title 18 discussion

1:09:57 ↗ was taken to city council workshop study

1:10:00 ↗ session last tuesday

1:10:02 ↗ and one of the things that they

1:10:03 ↗ discussed was our schedule so we are

1:10:06 ↗ in the process they would like to see it

1:10:08 ↗ finished by the end of 2022 one of our

1:10:09 ↗ proposals was to take it into 2023 and

1:10:12 ↗ they said nope um so

1:10:15 ↗ we are readjusting our schedule just a

1:10:17 ↗ little bit and i will have that out to

1:10:19 ↗ you in the next packet

1:10:20 ↗ but just to let you know on october 14th

1:10:23 ↗ as i mentioned before we will hold our

1:10:25 ↗ public hearing for the comprehensive

1:10:26 ↗ plan amendments which will include um

1:10:28 ↗ these amendments and and be reassured

1:10:30 ↗ that you know the public will speak at

1:10:33 ↗ planning policy commission will hear

1:10:34 ↗ your comments the public will speak at

1:10:36 ↗ the meeting at the study session with

1:10:38 ↗ city council regarding these policies

1:10:39 ↗ and the council will have feedback as

1:10:41 ↗ well so there will be some changes made

1:10:42 ↗ and

1:10:44 ↗ you still have the opportunity to make

1:10:46 ↗ some tweaks here and there

1:10:47 ↗ um

1:10:48 ↗ also next week with the public hearing

1:10:51 ↗ we will be listening to

1:10:53 ↗ the proposed goals and policies for the

1:10:55 ↗ storm and wastewater management plan

1:10:58 ↗ and that one's been pushed out a little

1:10:59 ↗ bit but he's

1:11:01 ↗ getting a head start and we'll be here

1:11:03 ↗ to talk with you about those he has some

1:11:05 ↗ drafts written up and then on october

1:11:08 ↗ 28th we'll be talking about title 18

1:11:10 ↗ again

1:11:11 ↗ with the development commission and we

1:11:13 ↗ will be talking about zoning and

1:11:15 ↗ permitted uses

1:11:18 ↗ just mentioned

1:11:19 ↗ next week so

1:11:21 ↗ i'm sorry i mean next meeting not next

1:11:23 ↗ week october 14th and then october 28th

1:11:25 ↗ okay

1:11:27 ↗ yeah

1:11:28 ↗ you actually get three weeks between

1:11:30 ↗ meetings this time

1:11:31 ↗ okay i was thinking maybe city council's

1:11:33 ↗ you know cracking the whip on us

1:11:35 ↗ [Laughter]

1:11:37 ↗ okay uh all right so and i i also don't

1:11:41 ↗ know if many wanted to report back on

1:11:42 ↗ some of the discussion that was had um

1:11:45 ↗ on the 20th at the city council study

1:11:47 ↗ session on title 18.

1:11:49 ↗ sure thanks kristen and

1:11:52 ↗ thank you commissioners um it was a good

1:11:55 ↗ uh feedback from council a couple of

1:11:58 ↗ things um to note we tried to ask the

1:12:01 ↗ question whether we could prioritize

1:12:03 ↗ some of the topics in title 18 because

1:12:05 ↗ it's so big

1:12:06 ↗ for the policy guidance piece because

1:12:09 ↗ some of the other work that's going to

1:12:10 ↗ happen with title 18 is more

1:12:12 ↗ consolidation streamlining you know that

1:12:15 ↗ kind of an effort

1:12:17 ↗ and we got guidance from them that yes

1:12:20 ↗ we should prioritize a list of topics

1:12:23 ↗ that

1:12:23 ↗ um will will come to you with code

1:12:26 ↗ update memos the same format that we

1:12:28 ↗ have with some policy questions and more

1:12:31 ↗ refined policy questions for you all uh

1:12:34 ↗ you know so uh compared to the feedback

1:12:36 ↗ that you've given us in the past of of

1:12:38 ↗ paying more attention to what the the

1:12:40 ↗ policy questions are for those topics

1:12:43 ↗ so that'll help go for this process to

1:12:46 ↗ move through uh your planning and policy

1:12:49 ↗ commission a little bit um

1:12:51 ↗ more streamlined and more meaningful

1:12:54 ↗ feedback can be achieved on topics that

1:12:56 ↗ do

1:12:56 ↗ relate to golden outcomes chart as

1:12:59 ↗ opposed to

1:13:00 ↗ other topics that we are going to are

1:13:02 ↗ more technical and we're just going to

1:13:04 ↗ uh do the

1:13:05 ↗ you know do the consolidation and

1:13:07 ↗ streamlining and modernizing of the code

1:13:10 ↗ we will give you all all the the

1:13:12 ↗ proposed approach for those topics and

1:13:14 ↗ for the community members to weigh in

1:13:16 ↗ but we won't be seeking input before

1:13:18 ↗ preparing the first draft for those

1:13:20 ↗ topics so that was a good outcome of

1:13:22 ↗ that meeting

1:13:24 ↗ and the second topic that i think um

1:13:27 ↗ kristen um

1:13:28 ↗ alluded to is the schedule

1:13:31 ↗ so uh the proposal is the what was

1:13:35 ↗ agreed to by council was we will keep

1:13:37 ↗ the

1:13:38 ↗ the smaller topics per in the policy

1:13:42 ↗ guidance phase so splitting those six

1:13:44 ↗ topic areas that we have into two

1:13:46 ↗ meetings each for each of those during

1:13:49 ↗ the initial phase

1:13:50 ↗ but then when we put the draft out

1:13:54 ↗ for um public hearing

1:13:56 ↗ um there will be one public hearing on

1:13:59 ↗ on each of the six topic groups

1:14:02 ↗ but we are committed to getting the

1:14:04 ↗ draft out at least a month prior to that

1:14:07 ↗ public hearing because um we understand

1:14:09 ↗ it it's you know a larger

1:14:11 ↗ um

1:14:12 ↗ title 18 is a big big effort and it's a

1:14:16 ↗ lot of code a lot of technicalities and

1:14:18 ↗ and things like that but

1:14:19 ↗ we're also committed to

1:14:21 ↗ having an open meeting where anyone can

1:14:24 ↗ jump in and ask questions members of the

1:14:26 ↗ public once the draft is out prior to

1:14:29 ↗ the formal public hearing with the

1:14:30 ↗ planning and policy commission and the

1:14:32 ↗ joint boards we will host a few uh

1:14:35 ↗ question and answer forum

1:14:37 ↗ for the community members we're also

1:14:39 ↗ committed to meeting with you each

1:14:41 ↗ one-on-one with a couple of you at a

1:14:43 ↗ time to go over those materials so when

1:14:47 ↗ it comes time for a public hearing we've

1:14:49 ↗ answered some of your questions um

1:14:52 ↗ you know just trying to do this title 18

1:14:55 ↗ in a two-hour meeting chunks no matter

1:14:58 ↗ how many meetings we do

1:14:59 ↗ the efficiencies have to be built in and

1:15:02 ↗ and we're

1:15:03 ↗ seeking input from you all what will

1:15:05 ↗ work for you too

1:15:07 ↗ we want to do a good job we want to make

1:15:09 ↗ sure it's meaningful feedback that we

1:15:11 ↗ get from you from the community members

1:15:13 ↗ that then folds into the code

1:15:16 ↗ so that's

1:15:17 ↗ the discussion with them

1:15:19 ↗ we did share the proposed approach for

1:15:21 ↗ natural

1:15:22 ↗ environment topics that you had given us

1:15:24 ↗ and the community members had given us

1:15:28 ↗ there wasn't that much time left at the

1:15:29 ↗ end of the day after we discussed those

1:15:32 ↗ other topics so uh and you know without

1:15:34 ↗ the full context that was a little hard

1:15:37 ↗ to get through

1:15:38 ↗ on those topics but overall i think

1:15:41 ↗ we got okay go ahead and start producing

1:15:44 ↗ the first draft of those topics that

1:15:46 ↗ you've already looked at

1:15:48 ↗ so we're working on the code writing for

1:15:50 ↗ those pieces at the same time we're

1:15:52 ↗ working on bringing other priority

1:15:55 ↗ topics for your discussion and policy

1:15:57 ↗ guidance

1:15:58 ↗ and like kristin said the next one on

1:16:00 ↗ the title 18 is october 28th when we're

1:16:02 ↗ in front of you

1:16:04 ↗ with zoning and land uses uh category

1:16:08 ↗ so

1:16:09 ↗ you know what are the different zones of

1:16:10 ↗ the city what are different uses that

1:16:12 ↗ are allowed in different areas so if you

1:16:14 ↗ can start thinking of

1:16:16 ↗ issues that you know of that you want to

1:16:18 ↗ see addressed uh in those topic areas

1:16:21 ↗ we'll of course give you the code update

1:16:22 ↗ memos our gaps analysis our proposed

1:16:25 ↗ approach um and and and have some policy

1:16:29 ↗ guidance questions for you

1:16:31 ↗ so that's all on title 18

1:16:34 ↗ sign code was adopted on the 20th

1:16:37 ↗ so thank you for all your work

1:16:39 ↗ so that has reached

1:16:42 ↗ to a point where it was adopted so that

1:16:44 ↗ was that was good

1:16:47 ↗ other topics i think i wanted to kind of

1:16:49 ↗ mention uh some of you missed the tour

1:16:52 ↗ for

1:16:53 ↗ uh when we did the

1:16:55 ↗ go to the different development uh

1:16:58 ↗ projects to kind of get set the stage

1:17:00 ↗ for what this looks like

1:17:01 ↗ that is scheduled for a

1:17:04 ↗ development commission to go on the tour

1:17:06 ↗ on october 29th

1:17:08 ↗ so if anyone missed uh that and is

1:17:10 ↗ available on october 29th in the evening

1:17:14 ↗ there's an opportunity to join

1:17:16 ↗ development commission on that tour

1:17:19 ↗ um

1:17:20 ↗ the other

1:17:21 ↗ items i am going to economic and

1:17:23 ↗ vitality commission

1:17:25 ↗ because we they're not engaged with this

1:17:27 ↗ effort at this point but we also don't

1:17:29 ↗ want to you know keep them apprised of

1:17:31 ↗ the progress on title 18 so that's going

1:17:34 ↗ to happen

1:17:36 ↗ um next week as well

1:17:38 ↗ and

1:17:40 ↗ parks board and

1:17:42 ↗ the discussion that we started on the

1:17:43 ↗ trees uh we're trying to see if um they

1:17:46 ↗ have additional feedback so that we'll

1:17:49 ↗ we'll staff will go

1:17:51 ↗ to park board separately to see if they

1:17:54 ↗ have any feedback environmental board

1:17:56 ↗ has expressed an interest in the tree

1:17:57 ↗ topics

1:17:58 ↗ um so i'll be going uh to that on

1:18:01 ↗ october mid-october the 14th and the

1:18:04 ↗ 13th

1:18:06 ↗ to share the tree and the landscape

1:18:08 ↗ topics that we shared with all of you to

1:18:10 ↗ get their feedback on that

1:18:12 ↗ so that's sort of where we're at and all

1:18:15 ↗ of title 18 and and other topics

1:18:18 ↗ so with that i'll turn it over to you

1:18:20 ↗ kristin no chair

1:18:23 ↗ oh

1:18:24 ↗ i don't have any other reports

1:18:26 ↗ okay thank you thank you all uh so with

1:18:29 ↗ that said i'm going to adjourn the

1:18:31 ↗ meeting

1:18:32 ↗ at 7 49.

1:18:38 ↗ okay are you sure

1:18:41 ↗ bye-bye thank you comments and questions

1:18:43 ↗ tonight

1:18:45 ↗ thank you thank you everybody

1:19:23 ↗ you

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Council / Members (7)

Ron Faul, Chair Christen Leeson

Jason Voiss, Vice Chair Megan Curtis-Mu

Joy Lewis Minnie Dhaliwal

Matt Monahan Valerie Porter

Nina Milligan

Sara Bader

Richard Zaragoza

Staff (2)

, Senior Planner

rphy, Sr. Sustain. Coord. , CP&D Director Assistant Planner

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Ann Fletcher

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She said Council directed staff to schedule meetings such that the update process is concluded by the end of
Dhaliwal added at the Study Session, Council directed staff to prioritize topics for seeking policy guidance from PPC.
She continued Council also agreed to split the six topic areas in the update into two PPC meetings each during the initial review phase, but when the draft goes out for a public hearing, PPC will have one hearing on…
Council also directed staff to go ahead with drafting code for the topic areas where PPC has already weighed in.
Dhaliwal continued Council adopted the revised sign code at its September 20 meeting.