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Thursday, October 8, 2020

6:30 PM · 1h 15m
Topic tracked across meetings:
Comprehensive Plan Amendments AB 9202 11/20
Section
1. CALL TO ORDER
1a
Commission Membership
packet pp.3
Staff report:
Planning Policy Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Christen Leeson, Senior Planner policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides Email guidance and direction for Issaquah’s future growth through continued review and improvement to the Regular Members City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related 2020 – Ron Faul land use documents. 2020 – Joan Probala 2022 – Joy Lewis Membership 2022 – Janice Carle The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2022 – Bill Rinehart seven regular members, with four-year terms; and 2022 – Jason Voiss several alternates, with two-year terms. All 2023 – Vacant members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire Alternate Members April 30 of the year listed. For more information, 2020 – Robin Beukers see IMC 18.03.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2a
Minutes of Sept. 24, 2020
packet pp.5–10
Staff report:
BEUKERS referred to comments previously submitted by the public, noting that he found the comments insightful and well thought-out. He noted during a previous
3. PUBLIC HEARING
3a
Proposed Amendments to Issaquah Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Map: Land Use Element, Transportation Element, Capital Facilities Element, Olde Town Subarea Plan, (A)
Christen Leeson, Senior Planner · packet pp.11–114
Topics: Land UseTransportation
Staff report:
In February 2020, the Planning Policy Commission held a public hearing for the 2020 proposed Docket of Comprehensive Plan Amendments. The Docket recommended by the PPC included: Transportation Element; Land Use Element; Redesignations/Rezones; Olde Town Subarea Plan Implementation Chart; Capital Facilities Element; and Central Issaquah Plan and Comprehensive Plan updates based on Title 18 updates.
4. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS
4a
Upcoming Schedule
packet pp.115
Staff report:
• Schedule
0:09 athletic policy commission
0:11 because of the governor's proclamation
0:14 this will be
0:15 held remotely
0:18 the commissioners already know how to
0:21 use the chat box for their question
0:23 questions and comments
0:27 but if anybody wants to sign in
0:30 it's not on the committee that would
0:32 like to make a comment uh the
0:34 information
0:35 is on the website so please do that
0:38 the first order of business right now is
0:41 to take
0:42 the role so if kristin would take the
0:44 role
0:45 yes commissioner fall
0:50 here commissioner lewis
0:53 president commissioner reinhardt
0:57 here commissioner carl
1:00 president what's your voice
1:04 here commissioner bukers here
1:07 commissioner probola here all present
1:12 cool um i've noticed uh there are a few
1:16 people from the um uh
1:19 from the
1:22 people in charge could you um
1:26 introduce them from the studies yes we
1:29 also have with
1:30 us keith niven who is the community
1:34 planning and development director andrea
1:36 snyder who is the deputy city
1:38 administrator
1:39 and doug eormick who is an assistant
1:41 planner and
1:42 host of this meeting and stephen padua
1:44 who is our senior
1:45 transportation planner welcome to all of
1:49 you
1:50 so the first thing on our agenda is
1:52 approval for the minutes of september
1:54 the 24th
1:56 are there any comments or corrections
1:58 for the minutes
2:00 madam chair this is uh commissioner joy
2:02 lewis i do have one
2:03 correction to the minutes
2:07 yes um on page seven
2:10 while our dutiful and wonderful um susan
2:13 lowe
2:14 is fantastic at recording our minutes i
2:16 do have one correction
2:17 um that has my uh
2:21 my comments in the affirmative rather
2:23 than the negative
2:25 she said uh quote she said the language
2:27 could be expanded to include all
2:28 actions um and said the ordinance itself
2:31 wait where am i that um do you like to
2:34 see the language oh sorry where
2:36 damn i'm losing it um
2:42 never mind i'm sorry when i read it i
2:45 was thinking that it was saying
2:46 something different but now that i'm
2:46 rereading it for the third time i'm
2:48 seeing that i think actually it may work
2:50 sorry everybody so are there any
2:52 comments
2:53 concerns changes hearing then the
2:57 minutes are approved so tonight our
3:00 objective is to discuss the proposed
3:04 amendments to issaquah
3:06 comprehensive plan and zoning map
3:09 and to continue the public hearing that
3:12 was started on
3:13 september the 21st fourth so with that
3:17 i'm going to ask christian to make a
3:20 presentation on what we're going to
3:21 discuss tonight
3:34 kristen you're on mute yes thank you
3:37 okay all right and you all can see my
3:40 screen
3:41 yes ma'am okay let's get started
3:49 so just a run-through of our 2020
3:52 comprehensive plan
3:54 amendment and zoning map docket
3:57 we have amendments to the land use
4:00 element
4:01 proposed redesignations and reasons to
4:03 four parcels
4:05 amendments to the old town sub-area plan
4:08 amendments to the capital facility
4:10 facilities element and to the
4:12 transportation element and i will run
4:13 through each of these
4:17 landis elements starting with housing
4:19 targets we
4:20 gain 623 units and
4:23 from 2019 to 2020 we now have 17
4:27 424 housing units in the city and we're
4:31 toward the toward uh meeting our target
4:34 so we only have 70 to go
4:35 so we should be there next year so this
4:37 doesn't include things yet like gateway
4:39 which hasn't been completed or revel
4:41 which hasn't been completed so we will
4:42 hit our targets in 2021.
4:45 i also changed i deleted the word
4:47 permitted and changed the word issued to
4:49 completed because the understanding used
4:51 to be
4:52 that these numbers were based on
4:53 permitted
4:55 units but i double checked with them
4:57 this year and that is incorrect they are
4:58 completed units
5:02 job targets and this one's always a year
5:05 behind
5:06 this also all of the these numbers come
5:08 from the state by the way
5:10 this one comes from the employment
5:12 security department
5:14 we have over 1900 jobs in 2019
5:17 we are 53 of the way to our target which
5:20 means that we're right on track because
5:21 we're about halfway through that
5:24 right now i ask that
5:27 someone uh mute the their everyone mute
5:31 these thank you
5:34 the landis element population and
5:36 household projections again these
5:37 numbers come from the state from the
5:39 office of financial management
5:41 we now have as i mentioned 17 424
5:45 housing units which means that we have a
5:46 population of 38
5:48 690. we're expected to have about 50
5:52 just 54 almost 55 000 by 2040.
5:55 those are our estimates
5:59 capital facilities elements we are
6:02 updating ordinance numbers and dates for
6:04 impact fees that have been adopted
6:06 since the last update we're also
6:09 updating our municipal facilities map
6:12 the map is being updated to include up
6:15 at providence point number nine
6:17 the elementary school and the high
6:19 school and then number eight which is
6:21 the middle school down in talus
6:23 we're also proposing to change the name
6:25 from municipal facilities map to public
6:27 facilities map because the state
6:28 actually
6:29 asks us to map publicly owned facilities
6:33 so not just those things owned by the
6:34 cities
6:35 so that's why we're proposing to change
6:41 we were also asked by the city council
6:43 last year to include
6:44 an implementation table for the action
6:47 program
6:48 in the old town sub area plan so we've
6:51 done that i'm only showing here the the
6:53 complete thing is in your packet but i'm
6:55 only showing here the immediate actions
6:57 but
6:57 if it's in black it's been completed if
7:00 it is in red
7:01 it is either on hold or did not get
7:03 passed
7:04 and we'll have to come back and
7:05 readdress it if it's green it's either
7:07 in project or on
7:08 in progress or ongoing and anything
7:10 white hasn't been started yet
7:16 that shows everything for the immediate
7:18 actions which
7:19 are 2020 through 2021
7:23 i think 2019 through 2020. there we go
7:26 2019-2020
7:29 you all have talked about this one this
7:33 the council the mobility master plan has
7:36 been completed
7:38 and it came to you all in september
7:42 and all of the goals and policies from
7:45 the mobility master plan
7:46 are going to become our transportation
7:49 element
7:49 so it is being replaced in whole
7:52 again this was included in your packet
7:55 and
7:56 we can always talk about that if you all
7:58 need to you all would like to
8:02 um so i've talked about everything that
8:05 we did and i just ran through everything
8:06 that we did not talk about last time the
8:09 other three things that we are looking
8:10 are the proposed redesignations and
8:13 rezones the first being legacy
8:15 landscaping which is on the north
8:16 southwest corner of newport way and sr
8:19 900
8:20 the ex the request is to change the land
8:24 use designation from low density
8:25 residential
8:26 to mixed use and to change the zoning
8:28 from single family suburban to mixed use
8:32 and the city is recommending moving
8:34 forward with this one
8:37 another one is for two parcels
8:41 where the existing existing century link
8:45 site use would relocate the existing
8:48 land use designation is community
8:50 facilities facilities
8:51 the proposed land use designation is
8:54 commercial
8:54 the existing zoning is community
8:56 facilities facilities and the proposed
8:59 is intensive commercial and i should
9:01 note that the smaller parcel is just
9:03 about an acre it's 0.99
9:05 the larger parcel is just over six acres
9:07 but only about three of those acres
9:09 would be rezoned
9:11 and so it wouldn't be really become
9:12 effective
9:14 until either permits were issued
9:17 for either of these properties to start
9:20 the projects for
9:21 this property or another property to
9:22 start the project um or until
9:25 the larger parcel has been that also has
9:27 to be subdivided
9:31 i'm not i'll go back to this we are
9:33 recommending approval of these two
9:37 vanama property is on the southwest
9:39 corner
9:40 of black nugget road and highlands drive
9:43 the property owner has requested a land
9:46 use designation change from low density
9:49 residential to either retail or mixed
9:50 use and the zoning from single family
9:52 estates
9:53 to professional office for mixed use and
9:58 we are not recommending approval of this
9:59 one primarily because it would be what
10:02 see as a spot zone which means that the
10:04 use that's being proposed there are no
10:06 other uses in the area around it that
10:08 are like it it's surrounded by
10:09 single-family
10:10 and by community facilities and
10:12 community facilities open space
10:14 and to do just this parcel would be a
10:16 spot zone
10:21 so october today's
10:24 it would be the day that we would hope
10:26 for a recommendation from the
10:28 planning policy commission on november
10:30 10th this would go
10:32 to the city council for study session
10:34 and december
10:35 it's blocked but i think it's december
10:36 7th um
10:38 go to city council regular meeting for
10:41 action
10:42 yeah december 7th um that
10:46 is all i have so
10:49 if you have any questions let me know
10:54 i have one yes and the
10:58 number of homes housing units
11:01 we only have 70 really to to make up
11:05 once you meet that 70 which uh
11:09 a couple of places are not even included
11:11 in that or the city
11:12 planning to go above that number we will
11:15 we can't stop growth
11:18 that was so yes we'll keep growing
11:25 there is a question from
11:29 commissioner commissioner carl
11:32 yes thank you john this is janice carl
11:35 this is a very small item
11:37 um kristen but on the map of publicly
11:39 owned properties
11:40 i think there are some inaccuracies in
11:43 the
11:44 pink item labeling so you just might
11:46 want to check those
11:48 and then which labeling the pink items
11:51 unless you post office is now where the
11:56 the transit center is then i think
11:58 goodness
12:00 okay thank you for that we will correct
12:02 that before we oh my goodness
12:04 okay
12:07 i have a question from commissioner
12:09 lewis
12:11 commissioner joy lewis i'm kind of going
12:14 off of jones comment before
12:16 you know right now we're looking at
12:18 being 10 years early on our housing
12:20 target but we're kind of right on speed
12:23 with our jobs target staff has mentioned
12:25 to us before
12:26 that housing target will most likely get
12:29 moved
12:30 up and changed to add more growth
12:33 and right now we're talking with the
12:35 state about that
12:36 i kind of wanted to have the opportunity
12:38 to talk about how do services keep pace
12:41 with the growing you know with the
12:42 housing growth um it's something that we
12:44 talk about a lot
12:45 as we make plans for the city and kind
12:47 of having the opportunity to say
12:48 hey we're doing really well on our
12:50 housing but obviously this is an
12:52 increased amount of flow
12:53 and this is how we're planning to you
12:55 know meet these
12:56 this 10-year bar coming up so soon yeah
13:00 you know keith can jump in here and
13:02 maybe andrea can jump in here but
13:04 everything that's happening is kind of
13:05 what we've planned for you know we did
13:07 the central issaquah plan and we did an
13:09 environmental impact statement with that
13:10 and we did a transportation um study
13:14 along with that so
13:15 what's happening now is not a surprise
13:18 to us
13:20 and we planned for the reason that we
13:22 did central issaquah and increased the
13:24 zoning in that area was because we knew
13:26 that new targets would be coming we knew
13:27 that those were going to be renegotiated
13:29 and we needed a place for that growth to
13:31 so we did the central issaquah plan
13:34 hoping that that's where the growth
13:35 would go and we added roads and
13:38 you know impact fees its impact fees
13:41 will need to pay for it
13:43 um you know it's
13:46 not going to be easy um but it's not
13:49 it's not unanticipated i think is what
13:51 i'm trying to say
13:52 we've we've planned
13:55 and for the targets it's not just
13:57 issaquah that will likely have to accept
13:58 more targets it's all cities so
14:01 it's not like something oh you hit your
14:02 targets now you're going to have to
14:03 increase it this is something that was
14:05 planned and
14:05 all cities are going through this
14:07 process right now of
14:09 um of doing their inventories and
14:13 figuring out how much capacity each city
14:15 has and then
14:16 got an email today i think negotiations
14:18 are going to start at the end
14:19 of like november for all of the
14:22 jurisdictions within king county
14:24 i'm curious how though we saw i remember
14:26 at a different presentation you had
14:27 given us
14:28 a bar graph that showed kind of where
14:30 every city was at
14:31 and nobody was at meeting their housing
14:34 target
14:34 quite so well as we were and you know
14:37 the concern is to say
14:39 um that oh we're doing so well then of
14:41 course we can take more and just making
14:43 sure that our services
14:45 are keeping up with that you know i know
14:47 i recognize the kids aren't in school
14:48 right now but when we have schools that
14:49 open up
14:50 with portables when we um are already
14:52 having issues with traffic flow you know
14:54 there's the concern of saying
14:56 um that you know obviously housing
14:58 begets
14:59 more um more flow for all services so
15:02 just making sure that we're
15:03 we're making me meeting that
15:06 right um the numbers that you were
15:09 talking about
15:10 i want to bring up too we sent the
15:12 housing report card out to you all at
15:14 the last meeting
15:15 and those comparisons with all the other
15:17 cities are actually in the appendix to
15:18 that report card if anybody wants to
15:20 look at that again
15:22 if you're curious um to see
15:26 to the commissioners i think question
15:28 about
15:29 infrastructure keeping up with growth i
15:31 mean there was kind of two pieces to
15:32 that right commissioner one was is
15:34 infrastructure keeping up with growth
15:35 and then why are we growing as much as
15:38 we are maybe that was kind of the
15:39 subliminal question there so
15:41 so let me say that um so the
15:43 infrastructure piece
15:44 um you know generally what we're talking
15:47 about is water
15:48 sewer storm water roads um
15:51 right now the city is planning a new
15:53 water reservoir
15:54 um basically at the bottom of the hill
15:57 underneath swedish
15:58 um and a couple new pump stations to go
16:01 with that
16:02 uh so there are infrastructure
16:05 investments that are
16:07 in the works you know the city is also
16:09 updating its stormwater master plan
16:11 right now and
16:12 i know there's been some conversations
16:14 about how to accommodate the additional
16:16 impervious surface that might come with
16:18 you know redevelopment as we continue to
16:20 grow out kind of the valley floor
16:23 um you know and and then there's the
16:25 transportation piece and the problem
16:27 with the transportation piece
16:29 is it is reliant upon the city building
16:32 a number of uh improvements as well
16:36 so development can pay for the impacts
16:38 of growth
16:39 and that's why we charge impact fees um
16:42 it partially funds our tip but the city
16:46 also has to
16:48 move forward with some of those system
16:50 improvements
16:51 to help um create the capacity that's
16:54 needed to accommodate that growth so
16:55 so so you know it would be great if
16:59 if all those improvements were done in
17:01 advance of the growth
17:03 most most of the time it lags a little
17:06 bit
17:06 and so the challenge is always trying to
17:08 keep pace and not have it lag
17:10 too much um to the maybe the
17:13 the corollary part of your question
17:15 about you know if we've already
17:17 met our housing target and we're kind of
17:19 10 years
17:20 in advance um can we just say stop
17:23 um and and i think the answer is
17:27 you know we are kind of negotiating our
17:29 next round of
17:30 growth targets with the county and and
17:33 the state
17:34 and their and psrc right now so
17:37 there is there is the the i think the
17:42 hope that part of that conversation
17:43 could include if we've
17:45 overshot our last growth target on
17:48 housing
17:49 you know is there a way to maybe temper
17:51 that a little bit
17:53 uh in this next cycle and not just keep
17:55 piling on
17:56 um you know and so that that i think
17:59 will be part of the conversation the
18:00 city wants to have as we start to look
18:02 at those next targets
18:04 so when do you think the city will be
18:06 built out
18:08 [Laughter]
18:10 um i don't know what built out means
18:14 um so you know i mean
18:17 you you uh in some of the um
18:20 documentation there was a
18:21 so many acres left to be built uh
18:25 so a land to be actually
18:28 put a building on
18:31 i would assume that when that is built
18:34 out then
18:35 we can reasonably say we're done
18:39 except tearing down more buildings and
18:41 building higher buildings
18:44 so so moving we're right now we're
18:48 moving
18:48 from what's called green field
18:51 development
18:52 which is basically raw land into
18:55 um brownfield development which is
18:58 redevelopment of existing
19:01 parcels you know when atlas uh took the
19:04 place of the strip mall where lombardi's
19:06 was
19:07 um that was a redevelopment um
19:10 it's there's much more development there
19:14 now from a square footage standpoint
19:16 than used to be there
19:17 um i think a lot of our at least a
19:21 a good portion of central issaquah is
19:24 envisioned
19:25 to kind of have similar evolution happen
19:29 so for example
19:30 where costco's building their new office
19:33 building and parking garage
19:36 used to be where they just had surface
19:38 parking lots
19:39 um and will continue there's
19:43 there's believe it or not i think a lot
19:46 of capacity for those type of
19:48 redevelopment intensification things to
19:50 happen
19:51 so i'm not anticipating we will reach
19:54 a build-out capacity probably during
19:58 our lifetimes so that would be my
20:00 forecast
20:01 that's what i expected the answer to be
20:03 actually um i have a question from
20:06 commissioner fall
20:08 oh thanks madam chair
20:11 so um kristen i wanted to go back to
20:14 the population chart really quick
20:18 if you can bring that up
20:35 uh uh there was a different chart no no
20:37 that's it that
20:40 is that it wasn't there another chart
20:42 that you had
20:44 no that's it that was it sorry i'm
20:47 trying to think
20:52 so question when we readjust our numbers
20:55 because obviously
20:57 we're go see a new
21:00 um we're going to see these numbers grow
21:03 is there a way that we can document what
21:06 the
21:08 existing goal was for the
21:11 and then the new 2040 estimates of 54
21:15 649
21:21 could you rephrase that question for me
21:24 because i'm not sure let's go to let's
21:28 real estate one the slide before this
21:30 one
21:31 okay i'll try rephrasing it here
21:36 okay so here we have uh units permitted
21:40 and units need to hit the target as we
21:42 adjust our targets
21:45 can we document in new revisions
21:49 of this document here our new targets
21:52 and say what the
21:53 old target used to be because the old
21:55 target was what 2035 we were
21:58 supposed to be at
22:04 69 370.
22:08 so the targets in the population
22:09 estimates are two different things
22:10 though
22:13 understood but we have we have the
22:16 question is we have
22:17 targets and what those targets are today
22:20 are probably going to change because as
22:22 keith and your
22:25 to your point as well where we can't
22:27 stop growth
22:28 so we're going to keep growing and we're
22:31 negotiating to what those new targets
22:33 will be for instance right now we have
22:37 2006 2031 housing targets was 57.50 so
22:41 we have been
22:42 working on the assumption that that is
22:44 the target we're working towards now
22:46 we're at 99
22:47 of that target when we revise
22:50 this chart to show the new negotiated
22:54 numbers whatever those may be it would
22:56 be nice to see the 2006 2031
23:01 original housing targets when we make
23:03 this
23:05 when we revise this chart so that people
23:07 have a reference point of what we were
23:09 supposed to have at 2035 or
23:12 2031 and what it is going to be
23:15 or moving forward because we're revising
23:18 all that because we totally
23:19 shot our shot over our growth target
23:23 does that make sense yes we can do that
23:25 otherwise we lose the benchmark and we
23:27 don't realize
23:28 how much we really are growing and it's
23:31 gone beyond our expectations which
23:33 you know depending upon which camp you
23:35 are in
23:37 i think having that information is
23:38 really important for us to know
23:40 okay and for the community to know as
23:43 well
23:43 and my next question is does the
23:46 community
23:47 we know this on ppc because we talk
23:49 about this thing and rehash it through
23:50 but
23:51 how much of our community really
23:53 understands what
23:54 our growth target is and what our growth
23:56 targets could potentially be
23:59 because these are significant changes to
24:02 our population and then my
24:05 next question is if our population
24:09 if go go to the back to the the next
24:11 slide the population
24:13 period uh yeah so if our population is
24:16 at 38
24:18 700 now and in 2040 we're expecting 54
24:21 649.
24:24 is there a level of service um
24:27 we can expect from like our first
24:30 responders in law enforcement because
24:32 last time
24:33 um i inquired about this i found out
24:36 that we hadn't done an lls
24:38 uh assessment or survey
24:41 since 2008 and we just did one recently
24:44 so if we're
24:46 these are pretty significant numbers and
24:49 we're only talking about 20 years so
24:51 maybe we need to start thinking about
24:53 doing
24:53 los services or los surveys
24:56 every two years or three years so that
24:59 we can make sure that we have the proper
25:01 first responders a level of service for
25:04 first responders
25:05 and intersections calculated into this
25:09 so to answer your first question
25:13 i don't know what the population knows
25:16 about targets
25:17 and i don't know if they know what it
25:20 could mean to us
25:21 a target is not something that we're
25:23 trying to reach a target is something
25:25 that we're trying to accommodate
25:28 um so we don't go out and market and say
25:30 come here because we need to hit this
25:32 number
25:33 um but we do say we can we can certainly
25:35 accommodate this number so sure
25:37 come here um i have been asked by the
25:41 mayor
25:42 when the when we finally get our
25:45 capacity numbers our initial capacity
25:47 numbers
25:48 before we start our negotiations to go
25:50 to the city council
25:51 and talk with them about what our
25:54 capacity is you know what we think we're
25:56 capable of doing and sort of talk about
25:58 talk about the big picture so that
26:00 people do understand show where we think
26:02 growth is going to go
26:03 so that people will have a better
26:04 understanding of what's going on there
26:07 okay so that yeah we've planned for that
26:10 but we don't have numbers to take out to
26:11 people yet
26:13 um as for level of service um you all
26:16 several years ago asked council
26:21 and i'm not gonna hit this one on the
26:22 head um i'm gonna get it wrong but you
26:24 all
26:25 asked counsel i believe to do
26:28 updates of everything and i think you
26:30 asked them to do it on a regular basis
26:32 as far as level of service for
26:33 i remember police was a big one yes um
26:36 and i can't remember what they all are
26:38 but i think they keith
26:39 will probably or actually even andrea
26:42 may know better than i
26:43 um if they have set dates that they
26:46 update
26:47 these things but it is expected that the
26:49 city
26:51 has the capacity to serve um
26:54 our residents that's that's what we're
26:56 supposed to do so i don't know andrea
26:59 or keith if you have something to add
27:04 there
27:08 sorry i thought you all froze
27:09 [Laughter]
27:11 um i don't know the answer to that i
27:13 think um as it relates to
27:16 uh first responders and if andrea does
27:18 please jump in but
27:20 if we can we can talk to the police
27:22 chief and the fire chief
27:24 about kind of their response times
27:28 um and see if they have what's
27:30 equivalent to a level of service
27:33 um because i just i just don't know the
27:36 answer to that commissioner so
27:37 i think we can do a little bit of uh
27:40 asking and
27:41 see if uh if we can find something
27:44 unless my boss has that on the top of
27:47 her fingers i
27:48 i do not unfortunately so i think that's
27:52 something that we're going to have to
27:53 circle back and get more information
27:55 from the police chief
27:57 okay now because i remember we have
27:59 talked about in the past
28:01 and i think we did say
28:04 it was going to be done routinely
28:07 i don't remember how routinely that was
28:10 but
28:11 i know things sometimes get dropped and
28:13 with the covet and everything in your
28:15 staff i'm sure are really drained
28:16 i just don't want to see us to be in the
28:19 same situation where
28:21 the loss goes it kind of goes dark and
28:24 we just kind of forget about it
28:25 don't talk about it you know there's a
28:28 lot of people coming in and
28:30 um but i i just thought of another
28:32 question that was
28:33 concerning this population increase and
28:37 how does this affect sewer because my
28:40 sewer bill
28:41 jumped quite a bit recently and
28:44 um i'm not sure how
28:47 our sewer system works in the city but
28:50 if we're going to go from 38 or almost
28:53 39 000 to 54
28:55 000 that's a pretty significant number
28:57 of flushes so
28:59 how does that what what do you think is
29:01 going to happen to our sewer
29:04 process i mean our however that thing
29:06 works
29:09 um again i may defer to andrea
29:12 snyder the deputy city administrator but
29:14 i think that our
29:15 sewer plan has gone or is going through
29:19 an update so so
29:22 the city is not a sewer
29:25 manager we uh we you know like everybody
29:28 else we contract with king county and
29:30 all your sewer goes to bright water
29:32 so so think about it in terms of like a
29:34 tree so the trunk of the tree is king
29:36 county
29:37 and so they have pipe that runs through
29:40 issaquah
29:41 and as new development um
29:44 connects into that uh it all then joins
29:48 into the county system and works its way
29:52 to the sewage treatment plant the bills
29:55 that we all
29:55 enjoy getting um related to our sewer
29:59 is basically the bill from king county
30:03 um and so there's there is some local
30:05 charges associated with it
30:07 but a majority of it is the basically
30:10 the
30:10 the amount we pay to process our sewage
30:13 before it's released into the
30:14 environment
30:16 is that helpful
30:20 what's that going to look like for the
30:24 for the average res for the average
30:25 resident of issaquah
30:27 the reason why i'm bringing that up is
30:29 because my intuition tells me that
30:31 issaquah residents pay some of the
30:33 highest sewer fees
30:35 in the state
30:43 i don't i have no i have no metric on
30:46 that
30:46 commissioner all i can tell you is
30:50 that what i pay in bellevue uh
30:53 makes my jaw drop so you know maybe we
30:56 should um
30:57 compare our sewer bills and see uh see
30:59 how they look
31:00 i'll send you mine i look forward to it
31:04 it stinks okay we're gonna we're gonna
31:08 clean this up and move right on to the
31:10 next question from commissioner bukers
31:14 yeah i have two questions and if both of
31:16 these have been addressed last night at
31:18 a meeting that i was not able to attend
31:19 then just tell me
31:22 i'm back to our various conversations on
31:25 the establishment of the environmental
31:28 committee or council i'm not quite sure
31:30 which it is but in any event
31:31 and trying to relate the uh the duties
31:34 i understand laid out after our various
31:37 discussions
31:38 with the goals and uh
31:41 aspirations of laid out in pages 21
31:45 through
31:46 27 and 28 of the document where
31:49 we're referring to tonight
31:53 can you just simply tell me how how
31:56 how have you been because some of them
32:00 don't seem it doesn't seem to jive
32:02 completely so how have you
32:04 how how are the two um aspirations
32:08 linked here we have the natural
32:09 environment we talk about climate
32:11 control etc etc
32:12 and the responsibilities of the count
32:15 the committee or council that we talked
32:16 about and another
32:17 one-to-one mapping so i'm just so that's
32:20 question number one i'm just trying to
32:20 understand
32:21 how they look if they're supposed to and
32:23 number two regarding the re-zoning
32:26 um this is the the uh the network
32:30 provider that we talked about last i
32:32 think last meeting where
32:34 there were some some open questions
32:36 about the movement
32:37 of uh residents of of mobile homes and
32:40 so on so forth
32:42 and there's some questions about just
32:43 how many people are being impacted
32:45 and i quite frankly don't understand the
32:47 entire
32:48 the entire deal so i'm so i'm wondering
32:51 if you have any updates if you could lay
32:53 out some more detail as to
32:55 why you're recommending approval of that
32:59 rezoning i think it is so those are two
33:02 questions
33:03 okay i'm going to go to your second one
33:05 first
33:09 the reason for the centurylink
33:13 uh we are working with centurylink
33:16 to move their existing use which is
33:19 in the urban core zone and not really
33:23 appropriate
33:24 because it is not a high density used
33:26 there
33:27 um to an incentive commercial area where
33:30 the use is much more appropriate
33:34 if this happens yes people in the rv
33:37 park
33:38 will be displaced their recreational
33:40 vehicles will have to find some not all
33:42 of them but some of them i think the
33:44 estimate last time was about
33:45 20 to 25 but deputies administ
33:49 deputy city administrator schneider was
33:51 going to see if she could find out any
33:53 more but the
33:55 probability of that was kind of low
33:57 should that property move
33:59 to the intensive commercial site i think
34:02 it's owned that
34:03 that frees up about four acres
34:07 for 360 units
34:10 of mixed use and a community center
34:13 community service area there
34:15 a hundred and seventy
34:19 180 of those units would be affordable
34:23 housing and the other
34:27 the remaining units would be market rate
34:30 so i think two purposes get served here
34:32 one is that
34:33 the site actually locates to a more
34:35 appropriate site
34:36 in an intensive commercial area and it
34:39 frees up
34:40 urban core space for the higher density
34:42 use that it is supposed to be
34:45 so i see deputy city administrator
34:47 snyder there
34:48 i have something to add well kristin did
34:51 a great job in describing the project
34:54 and certainly this is something that
34:58 the council has voted on many times
35:01 for what we're calling the trailhead
35:03 transit oriented development project
35:06 and they the goal here
35:10 is to help us try to achieve some of our
35:12 affordable housing
35:13 goals for the community and that's why
35:16 we are taking an active role in this
35:19 with our partners
35:20 to try to first some affordable housing
35:23 development here
35:25 kristin summarized it very well 175
35:28 affordable housing units of various size
35:30 and of various
35:31 levels of affordability and
35:34 then with the remainder of the units
35:37 being market rate
35:38 that's what would occur on the current
35:40 centurylink site
35:42 but we need to find a place for
35:43 centurylink to go and
35:45 uh where the rv park is today is city
35:48 owned
35:49 it's appropriate um in terms of the
35:52 surrounding uses
35:53 and intensive commercial and
35:56 um it's some it's a piece of land that
35:59 the city has
36:00 owned for a couple of decades now
36:03 with the idea that we would expand our
36:06 uh maintenance facilities onto this
36:09 property
36:11 since then we have acquired uh
36:13 additional property in the area
36:17 that's unsuitable for centurylink but
36:19 may be suitable for other uses
36:20 the city has and including some of our
36:24 maintenance
36:25 needs and it's really
36:30 our last chance to have this
36:33 trailhead transit oriented development
36:36 project
36:37 occur it's really the last ability for
36:41 us to do it and so that's why
36:42 the city council has recommended for us
36:46 go into negotiations with centurylink
36:49 over
36:51 providing them this property and we are
36:54 in the middle of those negotiations now
36:57 because of that i don't have an update
37:00 on how many
37:01 rv park users may potentially be
37:03 displaced
37:05 we need to have land control and a
37:07 really solid understanding of the site
37:09 plan
37:09 and the boundaries uh to figure out how
37:12 much remaining land we would have
37:13 left for the rv park users um
37:17 so so uh we we know that there
37:21 at this point in time our best estimate
37:23 is that there's room for
37:25 25 rv park users to
37:28 maintain or to stay and
37:32 what we need to figure out is what's
37:34 that final number and we just
37:36 we're not at the point in the process
37:37 where we can do that
37:39 so i hopefully that gives you all the
37:42 the information or helps clarify why we
37:44 would consider
37:46 and why we're recommending this rezone
37:49 it's really
37:50 to help us as a community achieve some
37:53 of our affordable housing goals
37:55 well can i just respond to that um is it
37:58 my is my understanding correct the city
38:00 has made
38:01 an investment in roads and and uh
38:04 and services to the existing site or to
38:08 either site in the past
38:09 i mean my interest is in seeing that the
38:12 city maximizes benefits and whatever
38:14 transaction takes place
38:16 so without knowing anything about the
38:18 business deal that you're trying to
38:20 strike
38:21 um it seems hard to for me to aside from
38:24 the this potential displacement it seems
38:27 hard
38:28 for for me to respond to a rezoning
38:31 request
38:32 when i don't know how i i just don't
38:35 know what the opportunity costs are
38:36 and i just don't know what what the
38:38 business deal is
38:40 i mean it's you're asking us to rezone
38:42 something without understanding
38:44 how the city benefits and so maybe i'm
38:47 overstepping my balance here but
38:48 it just seems that yes you've you give
38:51 me a very high level
38:52 analysis what might be good but i i
38:55 that's not for me that's just not enough
38:58 um i i need i like i'm a business guy
39:00 i i like to understand the business
39:02 rationale when
39:03 money's involved and why the city would
39:07 benefit
39:08 and i'm not interested in how
39:09 centurylink does i'm interested in how
39:11 the city does so so i guess that
39:13 yes thank you for the answer but i'm
39:15 left still thinking i don't really
39:17 understand what's going on here
39:18 so that's my last comment on that one
39:21 i'm still interested in the
39:23 q answer to the other question i had
39:26 about
39:27 uh the link between the environmental
39:28 council and the goals and
39:31 aspirations as put forward in this
39:32 document but thank you for your answer
39:35 sure commissioner bukers if i can make
39:37 one more stab at it to try
39:38 to to help to help shed light on what
39:42 the community
39:43 as a whole is benefiting from is the
39:46 rezoning of this property
39:49 the current rv park site would
39:52 help the community achieve its
39:55 affordable housing
39:56 goals and without this
39:59 uh rezone then this project
40:02 which would help us achieve our
40:04 affordable housing goals would not occur
40:06 um so that's that's i think very
40:09 high level the benefit as part of
40:13 the other project and and i know that
40:15 you uh i think there's requirements and
40:17 kristin you can
40:18 make a finer point on this and be more
40:20 specific about
40:22 what are the criteria that the
40:24 commissioners must consider
40:26 for a rezone um so without without
40:29 specifying those or reiterating those
40:31 just at this point
40:32 um talking about the other project the
40:35 other parcel
40:36 on the other side of the city we would
40:39 be forming a development agreement
40:41 with the developers of this housing
40:44 project
40:45 that would include additional
40:49 low income medical services
40:52 it would include a public plaza it would
40:55 include
40:57 different improvements to the streets
40:59 including the creation of a new street
41:02 as outlined in the centralistic plan as
41:05 anticipated in the centralization
41:07 there's a lot of other development
41:09 benefits and community benefits that
41:11 would come
41:12 with the trailhead tod project in
41:15 addition to the affordable housing
41:18 but again that's those are benefits that
41:20 are happening kind of across town but i
41:21 want to paint you that
41:22 whole picture there um i know that
41:26 uh maybe i know that there's these other
41:28 criteria that you must consider for the
41:31 re rezone of this specific parcel that
41:34 is the rv park
41:36 and and if i can just pull that thread
41:38 for a second i think
41:39 what is maybe confusing about this is
41:42 that the city owns the property
41:45 and i think if you thought about it in
41:46 terms of a privately owned rv park
41:49 and a request to rezone it to
41:53 uh intensive commercial i think the
41:55 whole conversation has changed right and
41:58 i don't think the commission should get
42:00 confused in trying to assess
42:02 whether the city should make this deal
42:05 or not because ultimately that's a
42:06 decision for the city council
42:08 this is simply a an evaluation on
42:12 whether
42:12 turning this from cff to
42:16 intensive commercial fits the criteria
42:20 for the rezone
42:25 and as far as your other question i was
42:27 super confused
42:28 so maybe kristen can take a stab at that
42:31 one
42:31 well i i was planning on it except i
42:34 think
42:35 commissioner bukers that your commission
42:37 was that your question was
42:39 does the establishment of an
42:41 environmental board
42:42 meet the goals and policies outlined in
42:45 the comprehensive plan in the land use
42:47 element is that correct
42:48 yeah and obviously that that is correct
42:50 i'm reading through the various
42:52 goals for goal a b c
42:55 various goals as put forward by the uh
42:58 in this document and trying to relate
43:00 them to what we've discussed at various
43:02 times over the last few weeks in
43:04 terms of the establishment of the of the
43:06 environmental council and
43:07 my question was really should there be a
43:09 one-to-one mapping and if there's
43:11 if not if not then fine um i just wanted
43:14 you know for example we talked a lot uh
43:18 lewis i think brought up a number of
43:19 times climate related issues
43:22 that's one of the uh of the um on page
43:25 23 or 24 it's
43:27 specifically brought up in the doc we
43:30 were discussed
43:30 tonight whereas i'm not sure
43:34 yet because i haven't seen the final
43:35 document whether it's part of the
43:37 dealing with climate-related issues as
43:38 part of the responsibility of the
43:40 environmental council so it's really
43:42 just trying to tie the two together
43:44 and maybe there's not supposed to be a
43:46 link that really was the question
43:48 okay so i'm just gonna put it out there
43:50 that the environmental board discussion
43:52 is not part of tonight's discussion and
43:54 if it's not
43:54 a track change in here um i just i
43:57 included all of this just for context
43:59 for you all but i will let you know that
44:01 yes
44:02 um the environmental board the
44:04 establishment of an environmental board
44:06 would be um
44:08 in line with the comprehensive plan
44:10 goals and policies climate change is
44:12 something they have talked about doing
44:14 um you know i one of the recommendations
44:17 of the ppc
44:17 last time was that the board be able to
44:22 identify other environmental issues
44:26 that they think are within their scope
44:28 of work to discuss
44:30 as part of their job as a board so yes i
44:33 do think that they are in line
44:35 thank you you're welcome uh
44:38 there's a question from commissioner
44:40 voice
44:43 thank you uh fellow commissioners and
44:46 staff
44:47 so my understanding of the centurylink
44:48 project is pretty much
44:50 again the city owns the land it makes
44:52 sense for this piece to go over here
44:54 intensive commercial and you guys are
44:56 also able to build out
44:58 the old site to accommodate some of our
45:00 building goals
45:01 the only question i really have is
45:03 something that commissioner lewis
45:04 brought up
45:05 last time i believe we talked about this
45:07 has the city identified
45:09 a place for the displaced rvs as of yet
45:13 so for those 20 or so i know we talked
45:15 about it last time has the city found a
45:17 parcel
45:18 um or something that the city owned
45:20 where those possibly displaced rvs could
45:24 in the interim um so
45:27 yeah thank you and this is deputy city
45:30 administrator andrew snyder
45:32 yes uh so only parts
45:36 of the parcel would be
45:39 part of the existing parcel would be
45:41 rezoned
45:42 so that means that there would be a
45:44 portion of the existing
45:46 rv park site that would be retained
45:49 where it is
45:50 and and that use would be retained
45:53 um what we need to understand
45:57 still there's been no progress on this
45:59 since last time
46:01 what we need to understand still is um
46:04 exactly how big is that remnant parcel
46:07 and exactly how many spots can be
46:10 retained could be we can reconfigure
46:13 bots
46:14 um to use the land more efficiently
46:18 um we we're not at the point of being
46:22 able to understand that yet
46:24 because we're still finalizing the the
46:27 exact site plan for centurylink
46:31 should they go there and
46:36 and we also need to have an
46:37 understanding of
46:39 how many rv park users
46:43 would want to stay so the rv park
46:46 is very seasonal in its use we have some
46:49 folks who
46:50 are more long-term users of the rv park
46:53 and then we have folks that are there
46:55 for a week
46:56 or so in july and are using it as a face
46:59 camp for vacationing in the area
47:01 because it is a recreational vehicle
47:04 park
47:05 so um and i think we made this
47:07 distinction before
47:08 which is different than a mobile home
47:10 park um
47:11 it's intended to be a temporary use and
47:15 i think um so to
47:18 kind of reiterate part of the answer is
47:20 we know that some folks
47:21 we will have space we think about 25
47:24 spots for people to
47:25 stay on the existing footprint or at
47:29 least part of the existing footprint
47:31 and then we'll need to assess
47:34 how many how many of those long-term
47:37 users won't be able to stay on the
47:39 property and
47:39 that exact number is not something that
47:41 we have today unfortunately
47:43 okay so the idea being just walking it
47:45 through my head is basically
47:47 until it's rezoned until negotiations
47:50 can go through
47:51 until they can provide us a site map to
47:53 actually figure out what the
47:54 displacement looks like
47:56 and we're kind of getting ahead of
47:57 ourselves yeah
47:59 okay and then that's fine and i
48:01 appreciate the clarity one question i
48:02 had just for my personal benefit going
48:04 back to the housing targets
48:06 do you guys have a timeline in terms of
48:08 the negotiations how long it takes with
48:10 the county
48:11 and then because this is all a little
48:12 new to me how does that work in terms of
48:15 there's
48:15 if if there is a tug of war between the
48:18 city and the county as far as
48:21 targets for housing because we did so
48:23 stellar
48:25 and they might want to pack more and
48:27 ezekwa is there like an arbitration
48:29 process
48:30 is there an appeals process how does
48:31 that work or is there just some type of
48:33 mutual understanding where
48:35 it's all just going to work out in the
48:36 end i'm just kind of interested in
48:37 finding out like how does that
48:39 negotiation process look like
48:41 and what do you guys foresee as the
48:42 timeline seeing is that basically
48:45 by the end of next year we'll have met
48:47 our target
48:48 nine years in advance ten years in
48:50 advance so
48:51 just interested in knowing
48:55 thank you
49:00 kristen keep forgetting to unmute i
49:03 apologize
49:04 um it's a fun process uh
49:07 so all of the key so king county has an
49:10 estimate of how many i think the next
49:11 targets go up to
49:14 2043. is what the next targets will go
49:17 and all king county has an estimate of
49:21 how many people will move into
49:22 king county by that time and they say
49:25 okay say our number is a hundred
49:27 and all the jurisdictions have
49:31 gone through the process which we've
49:32 almost finished now of saying
49:34 this is how much based on our existing
49:36 zoning
49:37 this is how much capacity we have for
49:39 housing and this is how much capacity we
49:41 have for jobs
49:43 and the county says okay well we need to
49:45 find places for all these different
49:47 for our estimates and you say that you
49:50 have
49:51 you can hold this many you know people
49:53 or this many units and you say you can
49:55 hold this many so that's where we're
49:56 going to start and we say no no no
50:00 we say we can hold that many but growth
50:02 is slowing down and there are reasons
50:04 that we shouldn't take what
50:05 it's a negotiation that goes back and
50:06 forth for
50:08 a few months and you go back to councils
50:10 in between and say this is where we are
50:12 and then you get back together and you
50:13 meet again
50:14 and it does it takes a few months we
50:16 anticipate
50:18 they originally wanted it to be done by
50:21 the end of 2020
50:23 but they're running about three months
50:25 behind so i would say into first quarter
50:27 2021 would be my estimate for that
50:31 um and i do think that keith was right
50:32 and it was something i was going to
50:33 mention that i do think that we have
50:35 grown
50:36 so quickly and it was because of at the
50:39 time our development agreements
50:41 and we've grown so quickly that we may
50:44 have some leeway to say
50:45 we need to slow it down a little bit
50:47 here we can't accept
50:48 you know as much as you'd like us to
50:51 yeah
50:53 it's happened before so
50:57 that answer your question
51:00 it does thank you you're welcome
51:03 so i have a question from commissioner
51:06 lewis
51:08 thank you commissioner joy lewis i you
51:09 know in this format it's a little bit
51:11 hard um to have dialogue so
51:13 i actually um keith ended up uh saying a
51:15 little bit about what i was thinking so
51:18 in response to
51:19 to you um commissioner buchers i think
51:22 you have some really legitimate points
51:24 and i think that they get divided up to
51:26 me into a couple different buckets
51:28 so one is looking at the criteria for
51:30 the reason we have in front of us
51:32 and one is to say uh we know that um
51:35 staff we know that we we know the
51:37 council are excited about this project
51:39 but
51:39 maybe we see some things that are giving
51:41 us some red flags or some things like
51:43 that that i think that
51:44 after we go out of public comment it may
51:46 be worth having a discussion of saying
51:49 these are notes we'd like to pass along
51:51 so that when council has their studies
51:52 session they have concrete things from
51:55 all of us
51:56 saying these are things we'd like you to
51:57 keep in mind these are questions we may
51:59 have or things like that but
52:01 to me that's a discussion that we can
52:03 all have to pass along but it's a little
52:05 bit
52:05 separate from the criteria for rezone
52:08 that's in front of us and i kind of
52:09 wanted to just separate that out keith
52:10 kind of did a better job than me of
52:12 saying that but
52:12 i do think that there's an opportunity
52:14 for us to be all having a discussion
52:16 later
52:16 of putting forward our thoughts um for
52:19 the for the for the worst um study
52:21 session that council will be having
52:22 um but um maybe doing that once we get
52:25 through
52:26 um kind of a whole chunk of it or things
52:28 like that would be kind of my suggestion
52:29 for kind of adding that maybe a little
52:31 bit later after public comments
52:36 evan another comment from commissioner
52:39 fall
52:41 hi thanks madam chair this commissioner
52:43 ron fall
52:44 uh two two questions here are actually
52:48 more like
52:48 two comments uh the first one is
52:51 concerning the centurylink
52:52 and the the rv part mostly the rv part
52:55 have we thought about working with
52:57 preston because there's a lot of ex
53:00 there's a lot of i think open space
53:03 maybe available real estate
53:05 that would be able to house a rv park
53:09 maybe even larger than the one that we
53:10 have here um
53:12 and because it's so close to
53:15 issaquah it wouldn't be a resource issue
53:19 considering that most of those people
53:21 that are there are probably there for
53:22 short-term um short-term workers or what
53:25 have you
53:26 um so that was kind of a suggestion
53:29 maybe a comment
53:30 uh the next question i had was more of a
53:33 or next comment i had was about the
53:36 housing targets and the population so
53:41 i think this is important for the
53:42 commission to get a kind of an idea
53:45 2031 to 2040 is what our new target's
53:50 going to be that's 125
53:53 increase in the population
53:56 when you run the numbers right now if
53:58 based on our current population our
54:00 current housing units we have 2.22
54:04 people per unit now if we take that same
54:08 math and apply it to
54:11 the new housing targets that's going to
54:14 create
54:16 we're going to need 7 200
54:20 more units to accommodate the
54:24 added increase in population that's
54:27 very significant that's it
54:37 i don't have any other questions or
54:39 comments in the chat
54:41 box i can't
54:47 are there any other comments
54:52 i have one um just really quickly i
54:56 promised
54:57 uh commissioner probably the last
55:00 meeting that i would let you know
55:02 costco and the new buildings that they
55:04 are putting up
55:06 and how many employees that those will
55:08 accommodate this has to do with the jobs
55:10 targets
55:11 the new building will accommodate 3 500
55:14 people
55:15 2 000 of those are actually existing
55:18 employees who will transfer over from
55:20 other buildings that are being used
55:21 right now and
55:23 about 1500 jobs will be new
55:26 so just want to get that out there uh
55:30 small clarification are they in
55:33 the 2000 that are being transferred over
55:35 are they already in issaquah or they're
55:37 in other buildings or are they coming
55:39 from other areas they made it sound like
55:40 they're in issaquah
55:42 um right now they're renting some space
55:43 over on smamish
55:45 northwest of amish road so i believe
55:48 that that is where
55:49 most of them are coming from
55:53 okay i'll ask this one more time is
55:55 there any any other
55:57 comments or questions before i open the
55:59 public hearing
56:04 hearing none i will continue the public
56:08 hearing that was
56:10 initiated on september the 24th
56:14 at 7 28 and ask
56:18 doug if there's anybody signed up to
56:20 speak
56:23 yes we have one person signed up to
56:25 speak and
56:26 we may have another member of the public
56:28 who has called in
56:30 the first person on the list to speak
56:33 is geraldine carey
56:52 i'm here can you hear me yes
56:56 yeah my name is geraldine carey
56:59 and my address is 9535
57:03 17th avenue
57:06 northwest issaquah excuse me miss carrie
57:09 i'm going to jump in real quick would
57:10 you mind turning
57:11 down your tv in the background or your
57:13 computer whatever it is that you have on
57:16 i am i'm in the process okay
57:19 okay thank you okay so my address is 955
57:23 17th avenue northwest issaquah i
57:26 have been a resident in issaquah for 42
57:28 years
57:29 and more in you know um
57:33 i'm just kind of baffled when you talk
57:36 about
57:37 population growth and improvements to
57:39 the city infrastructure
57:42 in my 42 years of being a resident i
57:44 have seen
57:45 no new roads going east
57:49 west and south
57:52 out of issaquah there is one road which
57:55 is the highlands drive
57:57 leaving i-90 that takes traffic north to
58:01 the development
58:02 but when you talk about this huge the
58:05 population in 1978 was
58:08 around six thousand and now you're
58:10 talking about a target that we have
58:14 38 000 and you're targeting 54 000
58:18 where are the improvements you keep
58:20 saying developers are going to pay for
58:22 improvements i see in the last
58:25 42 years no money put towards
58:28 the widening of roads which really can't
58:31 be widened because we live
58:32 between three or four mountains
58:36 i i don't understand why you keep and
58:39 why the
58:40 you know the state um and the county is
58:43 pushing for issaquah to grow i mean
58:45 there's no it's been an issue for 42
58:49 years
58:50 the the roadways that you know will
58:54 become gridlock
58:55 you know when you go from 6 000 to
58:58 54 000 where
59:01 are you anticipating these people are
59:03 going to go
59:05 you know to work and you talk about this
59:08 new road
59:09 if you put in the low income
59:12 unit i mean it's it's a road but it goes
59:15 where it goes to 900
59:17 it goes to you know it goes to newport
59:20 way it goes to gilman
59:21 there aren't any new roads to
59:23 accommodate all this traffic you keep
59:25 talking
59:26 about uh that will come with the
59:28 population so
59:29 you know i mean i i guess i'm kind of
59:31 glad i'm going to be dead
59:33 by the time you reach your county's
59:36 growth management goals i mean we need
59:39 it every
59:40 every time and then they keep pushing
59:42 more i mean when
59:44 are when can you say no more we can't do
59:47 give us you know we have mountains we're
59:49 not flat we're not like a city
59:51 where you can just you know have road
59:54 after road
59:55 made because there just isn't the land
59:59 that will accommodate new roads um
1:00:03 so i so i um you know
1:00:06 as a citizen you know it breaks my heart
1:00:09 listen you to the city talk about
1:00:13 more population more places to work
1:00:16 i mean you know blows my mind
1:00:21 that's my comment
1:00:25 thank you doug is there anybody else
1:00:29 that signed up to speak yes we have
1:00:32 well nobody else uh that signed up to
1:00:35 speak but we do have somebody
1:00:37 who is called in and i will call out
1:00:39 some of their
1:00:40 digits from their phone number and the
1:00:43 person is
1:00:44 uh area code 206 in the last two
1:00:48 digits of five five
1:00:52 thank you i'm just here to listen
1:00:54 tonight
1:00:56 thank you so do we have anybody else
1:01:00 nobody nobody else um
1:01:04 since there's nobody else i'm gonna
1:01:08 officially close the public hearing
1:01:11 at 7 33 and open
1:01:14 up the further discussion
1:01:19 to the commission
1:01:23 would anybody else like to make a
1:01:25 comment
1:01:27 i think the goal is for us to
1:01:30 approve the comp plan as written so if
1:01:33 there's
1:01:33 anything that you would like to discuss
1:01:37 now's the time
1:01:50 nobody
1:01:52 okay hearing nobody
1:01:56 then we need to vote to approve
1:02:00 the comp plan as presented by the city
1:02:02 and kristin will take the role
1:02:06 i'm happy to do that but before i do did
1:02:09 um commissioner lewis have a comment
1:02:12 looks like she might
1:02:16 thank you oh my gosh it just came up
1:02:19 commissioner joy lewis so um i want to
1:02:22 a big thank you to staff you guys have
1:02:24 been great about uh bringing this to us
1:02:27 quite a bit and so we've been able to
1:02:29 exercise our thoughts
1:02:31 and pour over this multiple times
1:02:33 because of that
1:02:34 i feel pretty confident about this
1:02:36 document and i feel pretty good about
1:02:38 passing it along as is i do agree
1:02:41 um with commissioner bukers that i've
1:02:44 had some thoughts and i've expressed
1:02:46 those to staff
1:02:48 on multiple occasions specifically about
1:02:50 the trailhead project
1:02:52 i do think that right now as written
1:02:54 that it meets the criteria for
1:02:55 for the rezone and i do think that it's
1:02:58 appropriate for us to voice any thoughts
1:03:00 that we have about the project
1:03:02 so um if anybody else is feeling that
1:03:04 way i would encourage us to be able to
1:03:06 pass along notes
1:03:08 um for the council's study session about
1:03:11 um but i at this point i'm in agreement
1:03:14 of passing this along as
1:03:15 is and would be happy to um to have that
1:03:18 dialogue of comments to pass along with
1:03:20 it if anyone else is in agreement with
1:03:22 that i know that
1:03:23 it's hard to have a dialogue when we're
1:03:24 all taking turns in a single file
1:03:27 um but i'll kind of volunteer for me um
1:03:30 the things that i've put forward to
1:03:31 staff before so this isn't going to be
1:03:33 new for them to hear
1:03:34 um that i'd like to have more
1:03:35 transparency on the project right now
1:03:37 for the public
1:03:39 i think it's important to know um the
1:03:41 numbers of land value that
1:03:42 are being exchanged right now and i
1:03:45 think it's important um
1:03:46 to disclose as much as possible to the
1:03:49 public right now
1:03:50 i also appreciate that some of the rv
1:03:53 park will be in place
1:03:54 but it's my understanding that's about
1:03:56 two-thirds of the rv park are planned to
1:03:58 be lost
1:03:59 and i would like a commitment from the
1:04:00 city that um the rv park
1:04:03 will either be entirely moved in whole
1:04:05 or that it will be um
1:04:08 that that loss will be put somewhere
1:04:09 else i think it's an underserved part of
1:04:11 our community i think it's a unique
1:04:13 feature and while i
1:04:14 completely understand that it doesn't
1:04:15 count towards our
1:04:17 affordable housing goals it does meet a
1:04:19 subset of the population
1:04:21 that we are often overlooked and that is
1:04:24 still important to our community and so
1:04:26 um i agree that um voicing that
1:04:30 to the commission of saying this is
1:04:31 something that we see um
1:04:33 and a potential um area that we can do
1:04:36 better at
1:04:36 um is completely appropriate um i
1:04:39 appreciate that as we've gone through
1:04:41 this staff has mentioned
1:04:43 you know we have this one parcel we have
1:04:45 the one acre we have the six acre
1:04:47 we don't think we're going to need it
1:04:48 all but we don't really know right now
1:04:50 that you know when i first heard it i
1:04:52 didn't love it but the more that
1:04:54 i talked with staff about things like um
1:04:55 about it i really do
1:04:57 appreciate the fact that um as
1:05:00 dialogue continues that staff is gonna
1:05:02 make a conservative effort to really um
1:05:04 do their best to have the best outcome
1:05:07 from from the space and so i feel
1:05:09 confident that
1:05:10 staff has heard me on that so if there's
1:05:12 any other comments from anybody else
1:05:13 about the trailhead project i would
1:05:14 encourage them
1:05:15 to voice them so that so that those
1:05:17 notes can be passed along
1:05:18 for the study session okay two things i
1:05:22 would also like to uh say thanks to the
1:05:25 staff
1:05:26 both for last night and tonight i know
1:05:29 uh our role is to
1:05:34 find anything that could be better or
1:05:37 is error and um
1:05:40 with the last night and tonight there
1:05:42 there aren't anything i think the
1:05:44 staff did a really good job in putting
1:05:46 it together so
1:05:47 i feel confident about it the same thing
1:05:49 i want to say
1:05:50 is i was taking role before somebody
1:05:52 made a motion so would somebody like to
1:05:54 make a motion to approve the
1:05:56 uh the comp plan as written
1:06:01 i can make a motion for that i'd like to
1:06:03 make a motion to
1:06:05 to recommend the proposed 2020
1:06:09 comprehensive plan amendments
1:06:14 as written as written do i have a second
1:06:17 a second
1:06:20 any further discussion okay now kristen
1:06:24 would you take the role
1:06:26 before i do before i do could i clarify
1:06:29 the motion please
1:06:30 that it's the 2020 comprehensive plan
1:06:32 and zoning map amendments
1:06:36 excellent okay thank you yes now i will
1:06:39 take roll
1:06:41 um commissioner fall here yes
1:06:45 lewis yes
1:06:48 commissioner reinhardt yes
1:06:52 commissioner carl yes
1:06:55 commissioner voice yes
1:06:58 commissioner buchers yes
1:07:02 and commissioner provola yes okay
1:07:05 the motion carry seven to zero
1:07:09 seven in favor okay
1:07:13 so the the next uh
1:07:16 thing i don't want to forget at this
1:07:18 time to just even say that um
1:07:20 if there is anybody that would make that
1:07:23 uh would like to make a comment
1:07:27 from the audience on any other issue
1:07:30 that is affecting them
1:07:32 doug i don't think we have any but is
1:07:35 anybody
1:07:38 heaven interested to talk about
1:07:39 something else
1:07:45 um we lost geraldine's i don't know if
1:07:48 she wants to say anything
1:07:49 and then the gentleman with the last
1:07:52 edges of five five who said he was just
1:07:54 here to listen is there something that
1:07:56 you would like to say
1:08:01 no sir
1:08:04 okay so i i didn't want to forget the
1:08:09 number five on our agenda to allow
1:08:12 uh audience comments on anything that
1:08:15 uh particular interest to them so do you
1:08:18 want to
1:08:19 kristen do you want to go over the
1:08:20 calendar i do
1:08:22 so there's been one change so in
1:08:26 on october 22nd we have a public hearing
1:08:30 16.35 regarding construction hours
1:08:34 on november 10th we will be talking
1:08:37 about the sign
1:08:38 code one of our city attorneys will come
1:08:40 to talk about the read case and how that
1:08:42 affects our sign code and just kind of
1:08:43 do a refresher course for you all
1:08:46 and then on december
1:08:49 a lot sorry i don't have the date right
1:08:51 in front of me um
1:08:53 but in december first meeting in
1:08:54 december we will bring back the old town
1:08:57 architectural
1:08:59 uh standards for public hearing for you
1:09:02 um that's all i have with the schedule
1:09:06 um i do also want to does anybody have
1:09:08 any questions about that
1:09:12 okay i want to jump in um rather than
1:09:14 using chat um real quick i'm just going
1:09:16 to jump in and say um
1:09:17 you know to piggyback off joan last
1:09:19 night's meeting was phenomenal i love
1:09:21 when we have uh joint committee
1:09:23 discussions i feel like
1:09:25 so much um information gets exchanged
1:09:27 and i think staff did a really great job
1:09:30 with their presentation and um really
1:09:32 receiving a lot of those comments and i
1:09:34 wanted to make the suggestion
1:09:35 if both um if our esteemed chair and if
1:09:38 staff was amenable to
1:09:39 invite the dc for when we see the next
1:09:42 updated document
1:09:43 so that they have a chance to uh comment
1:09:46 if they'd like uh when they see it
1:09:49 absolutely we can do that if if the
1:09:52 chair is okay with that
1:09:54 absolutely okay all right i really
1:09:57 appreciated that
1:09:58 uh the development commission last night
1:10:00 i mean they were really
1:10:02 fine-tuned into uh
1:10:05 specifics that maybe um
1:10:08 the policy commission not used to doing
1:10:11 not being architects or developers that
1:10:15 we might have missed a lot of the things
1:10:16 that they came up with so
1:10:18 they did a really good job it was
1:10:20 interesting to listen to how they
1:10:21 interact with one another
1:10:27 there was something else going on
1:10:31 uh anybody else have any comments i i do
1:10:35 have one report
1:10:36 it breaks my heart that we are losing
1:10:39 both bill reinhardt
1:10:40 and janice carl janice will be with us
1:10:43 hopefully through the end of her term
1:10:44 but we've also lost randy harrison
1:10:46 um we are going to be doing we've now
1:10:49 been included
1:10:50 in the interim recruiting process so if
1:10:53 you all
1:10:54 know of anybody who might be interested
1:10:56 um direct them to the website and
1:10:58 there's a form there to fill out it runs
1:11:00 through the applications will be
1:11:02 accepted through october 30th and then
1:11:04 we will be doing
1:11:04 interviews the second week in november
1:11:07 so if you know of anyone
1:11:09 anyone please send them there send them
1:11:12 our way
1:11:13 so looking at the chat room um i'm
1:11:16 assuming that
1:11:17 uh commissioner lewis has
1:11:21 made her comment or does she have
1:11:23 another comment uh
1:11:25 commissioner buchertz do you have a
1:11:27 comment
1:11:29 my problem is to
1:11:32 uh add to commissioner
1:11:36 lewis's comment uh regarding the uh
1:11:39 rezoning that we just approved and to
1:11:41 express my reservations if you will or
1:11:43 my request
1:11:44 interest in receiving more information
1:11:46 on the
1:11:48 the the the transaction at hand
1:11:51 including the uh
1:11:52 potential movement of the uh
1:11:56 the residents of the mobile home park
1:11:59 plus the valuations of the land in other
1:12:01 words
1:12:02 to understand better the the the
1:12:03 business transaction in japan
1:12:05 as as it develops so uh
1:12:09 those are my reservations um and i've
1:12:11 expressed them before but
1:12:12 uh um i'd like to reiterate them so
1:12:17 commissioner voice do you have a comment
1:12:20 i just like to echo what my fellow
1:12:22 commissioners have said and to thank
1:12:23 city staff for the hard work they've put
1:12:25 in to this uh bringing it before us
1:12:28 multiple times so it while i understand
1:12:32 we're gonna have reservations here and
1:12:33 there nothing's perfect uh
1:12:36 i feel very good about what you guys
1:12:38 have presented and moving forward with
1:12:40 and there's always going to be some
1:12:41 reservations about some of the things
1:12:43 that are moving forward but i do believe
1:12:44 we've hit that high bar
1:12:45 and i believe that's a big part to do
1:12:48 with the city staff and the hard work
1:12:50 you guys continually do
1:12:51 to present us with the best information
1:12:53 in the best fashion so thank you again
1:12:56 and just to say to bill and to
1:13:00 um miss carl janus uh yeah best of luck
1:13:04 i know we'll see you guys but uh yeah
1:13:05 sorry to hear the news for us so
1:13:09 thank you so so um it'll always be uh
1:13:13 we'll always be here to welcome you back
1:13:15 when you decide that you can't get
1:13:16 enough of us
1:13:17 and want to come back so we'll always
1:13:20 open you with
1:13:21 open arms there is one last comment
1:13:24 from uh deputy city administrator
1:13:27 schneider uh thank you
1:13:31 thank you chair pobola i just wanted to
1:13:33 extend my appreciation and gratitude
1:13:36 to all the commission members two nights
1:13:38 in a row
1:13:39 for meetings that you know is sometimes
1:13:42 a little difficult
1:13:43 you've had great comments great
1:13:45 questions all throughout this process
1:13:47 and i just i thank you for putting in
1:13:49 the work and being so thoughtful
1:13:51 and um for all the work that you have
1:13:53 done and your contributions to the
1:13:55 community so
1:13:56 thank you very much and uh thank you
1:13:58 also for
1:13:59 your supportive staff i appreciate that
1:14:02 greatly
1:14:02 that's not something that we always hear
1:14:04 and we love it when we hear it when we
1:14:06 are able to meet your expectations and
1:14:09 so that's that's helpful so thank you
1:14:11 and if you do have any other additional
1:14:14 input
1:14:14 that you want to voice about
1:14:18 the centurylink project or the trailhead
1:14:21 tod project
1:14:22 certainly let me know and with that
1:14:26 thanks again i think we have to be very
1:14:29 careful
1:14:29 how much uh goodwill and
1:14:33 good comments we uh say to the city um
1:14:36 we want to make sure that they come back
1:14:38 and and they're ready to answer all our
1:14:40 future questions so
1:14:41 so just you know take it while you get
1:14:45 so uh really that's just uh
1:14:48 just being a little funny so thanks to
1:14:50 all of you
1:14:51 so i don't have anything else on the
1:14:53 agenda i don't see anybody who has any
1:14:55 comments so
1:14:57 i'm going to close the meeting
1:15:00 at 7 47. okay
1:15:05 thank you

Attendance

Council / Members (9)
Administration/Staff: Joan Probala
Christen Leeson
Senior Planner Ron Faul
Keith Niven
CP&D Director Joy Lewis Stephen Padua
Sr. Transp. Planner Janice Carle Andrea Snyder
Deputy City Administrator Bill Rinehart Doug Yormick
Assistant Planner Jason Voiss Robin Beukers
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