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Thursday, April 26, 2018

6:30 PM · Council Chambers, 135 E. Sunset Way, Issaquah WA
Topics tracked across meetings:
Citywide Strategic Plan Five-Year Update AB 8911 2/6
Lakeside Transfer of Development Rights AB 8890 2/4
Amendments to IMC regarding Transfer of Development Rights resulting from end of Issaquah Highlands Development Agreement AB 7612 1/4
Section
1. CALL TO ORDER
1a
Commission Membership
packet pp.3
Staff report:
Planning Policy Commission About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Trish Heinonen, Planning Manager policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides Email guidance and direction for Issaquah’s future growth through continued review and improvement to the Regular Members City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related 2018 – Joy Lewis land use documents. 2018 – Jon Stob 2018 – Carl Swedberg Membership 2018 – Lindsey Walsh The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2019 – Joan Probala seven regular members, with four-year terms; and 2020 – Ron Faul several alternates, with two-year terms. All 2020 – Troy Rahmig members are appointed by the Mayor and subject to confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire Alternate Members April 30 of the year listed. For more information, 2018 – AJ McGauley see IMC 18.03. 2018 – Vacant 2018 – Vacant 2018 – Vacant
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2a
Minutes of April 12, 2018
packet pp.5–9
Staff report:
tonight on the draft update as (1) whether the draft captures PPC’s previous intent; (2) did PPC learn anything from developing the Central neighborhood visions that might apply here; (3) are the additional Action Items helpful; and (4) should Old Route 10 from Central Issaquah be added to the Olde Town boundary.
3. AGENDA ITEMS
3a
Public Hearing: Proposed Amendments to Issaquah Municipal Code Regarding Transfer of Development Rights Resulting from End of Issaquah Highlands Development Agreement, (R)
Christen Leeson, Senior Planner · packet pp.11–22
Topics: Land Use
Staff report:
Development Services Department 1175 – 12th Ave NW | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 425-837-3100 issaquahwa.gov
3c
Citywide Strategic Plan: Outreach
Trish Heinonen, Planning Policy Manager · packet pp.75–78
Staff report:
GROUND RULES To make sure we have the opportunity to hear from everyone and to get through each of the questions in the time allotted, please review some ground rules for our discussion:
5. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS
5a
Upcoming Schedule
packet pp.79
0:10 first you're gonna do the minutes though
0:14 good evening and welcome to the April 26
0:17 meeting of the Planning Policy
0:19 Commission and I we are going to have a
0:22 public hearing on the proposed
0:24 amendments to the transfer of
0:26 development rights Issaquah Highlands
0:30 and then a discussion on old town plan
0:33 but first I need a motion to approve the
0:36 minutes of April the 12th I'd like to
0:39 make a motion to approve the minutes of
0:41 April 12th 2018 second any discussion
0:44 changes all those in favor say aye
0:48 all right those motion carried
0:52 so with that I'm going to turn now turn
0:54 the microphone over to Trish and that's
0:58 about development right this is one of
1:01 those interesting projects that you've
1:05 seen before this is part of the end of
1:08 the Highlands development
1:09 agreement that you saw in September and
1:12 council finally adopted the replacement
1:15 regulations just recently in March and
1:17 part of what the regulations they
1:19 adopted said was there were changes in
1:23 Issaquah highlands part of the transfer
1:25 of development rights and so because
1:28 they didn't want to do that then they
1:30 sent it back to us to say it's not
1:32 completely a rubber stamp but it's sort
1:34 of like the cleanup that we do like
1:36 cleanup picture at the end of the game
1:37 that so it's a very narrow amendment and
1:42 that's to make sure that the end of
1:44 development agreement regulations
1:46 matches with the transfer of development
1:48 rights regulations and so with that I'm
1:51 going to give you a super fast history
1:54 of transfer of development rights
1:56 because they're fascinating they started
1:58 before 2006 when the county asked if we
2:01 would take some from Mitchell Hill and
2:04 put him in the highlands and we did and
2:06 we thought it was so fascinating that we
2:08 wanted our own internal transfer of
2:11 development rights program not just
2:13 taking him from the county to take him
2:14 internally so we built our own in 2006
2:17 you can see from the map that all the
2:19 red areas are receiving sites meaning
2:22 they could take
2:23 development rights and be more dense or
2:25 more tall or more impervious surface or
2:29 and the green areas are those that were
2:31 sending them they were usually either
2:33 critical area land that had critical
2:35 area near it or there were other issues
2:37 with it that we were trying to
2:38 incentivize them not trying to build on
2:41 them but letting them have some value to
2:46 not develop and so then in 2015 we did
2:51 some amendments lakeside development
2:53 agreement was coming in and so there was
2:55 a change with lakeside coming in and
2:58 talus coming out in 2015 and then this
3:01 would be the third set of amendments to
3:04 narrow it even further to not have all
3:06 of its aqua Highlands be an a receiving
3:10 site but only the very small area by the
3:13 retail area so that's the history and
3:17 this is what the new proposed map would
3:19 look like in a big way not just squishy
3:21 but I just thought it was important to
3:24 see what the comparison was with all of
3:26 them and the actual changes and this is
3:31 the part that made me sort of laugh is
3:33 the amendments are that they can have no
3:36 additional residential density they can
3:39 have no additional building height and
3:41 they can have no additional impervious
3:43 surface so my question and I'm sure your
3:45 question is what do they get then what's
3:47 the big deal well that's a good question
3:50 the big deal is that next year they were
3:53 told Highlands was told that they're
3:55 going to do neighborhood visions I know
3:58 kind of as exciting isn't it we're going
4:00 to vision again and if they if the
4:02 parcels are on this map sort of this pre
4:05 visions map those would be the most
4:08 likely parcels that would be able to
4:10 have perhaps a higher zoning or higher
4:13 density when they go through that
4:15 process next year but at this point they
4:19 don't get anything special other than
4:21 there's sort of a leg up for the
4:22 discussions next year so it's that
4:25 narrow of an amendment so right now how
4:27 many TDRs are out there that have been
4:30 have been not used I couldn't say I know
4:33 that couple hundred or mmm the ones for
4:39 Park Point were used by Bellevue college
4:42 and so I don't know okay I'm not the one
4:48 that that does the bank but if I'm if
4:50 I'm a developer own CD arse I basically
4:53 just can't I just won't be able to use
4:54 them for like a year or two if this
4:56 passes and then we're waiting for only
4:58 if you're in the highlands in the
4:59 highlands you already have all your
5:01 zoning cap you of all your entitlement
5:03 you don't at this point you don't need
5:05 any TD heirs to do anything but so but
5:07 you can still use your TDRs in central
5:09 as a clock right but if you were in any
5:11 of the other red areas there's still
5:13 code on the books that tells you exactly
5:14 how to use them but I did so so so so
5:17 I'd go forward to the that side so the
5:19 no additional density height and
5:21 impervious service is that for just the
5:24 highlands only silence okay so in the
5:27 yellow that's the part that we added
5:28 that last category if it's urban village
5:31 SF urban village MF urban village
5:34 community that whole last line is for
5:39 Issaquah highlands because it used to
5:41 say other zones could have up to 36
5:44 dwelling units extra per acre and so we
5:46 this amendment says that no you don't
5:49 get anything extra go through the
5:51 process next year so I can still get all
5:53 this all these benefits at the central
5:56 Issaquah receive sites okay that's not
5:58 going away
5:59 yeah there's no changes to that and so
6:02 the other charts that are also as
6:04 explicit they can have no the building
6:07 heights is on the one side they don't
6:08 get any additional building heights and
6:10 they don't get any additional impervious
6:13 because they're already allowed a
6:14 hundred percent so the only real change
6:18 other than clarifying that they don't
6:20 get anything yet is the map is the map
6:23 is a lot smaller it's a rather odd
6:27 amendment but it's one of those cleanups
6:29 that are necessary are there additional
6:32 questions
6:38 what allows them to do anything in a
6:42 year then what's the mechanism if they
6:45 don't get anything now then what
6:46 triggers some a year from now well now
6:49 this is the map that was approved in the
6:52 new regulations to end the development
6:54 agreement and this is called the the
6:57 zoning cap map and all the numbers in
7:00 there that I know they're tricky to see
7:02 on my screen they already have all that
7:05 entitlement already so changing the map
7:08 wasn't taking anything away from them
7:10 because they already got it in these
7:12 regulations the only thing the map does
7:14 is that when they do when we and they do
7:18 them visions visioning next year that
7:21 there might be a chance that the zoning
7:23 that they might be able to increase the
7:25 zoning capacity next year is what when
7:29 the council was talking to the
7:30 neighborhood's that that process this is
7:33 sort of like a bookmark saying when we
7:35 talked about this we thought this little
7:37 area by the retail center might be
7:40 should maybe qualify for up zoning but
7:44 we're not going to do that now we're
7:46 gonna do everything just the same as
7:47 what they have and then do that in
7:49 another process it's just just tentative
7:51 for the zone waiting on zoning
7:53 potentially right it's like a bookmark
7:55 because it took two years to close out
7:57 the development agreement they didn't
7:59 want to start talking about up zones or
8:00 different actual entitlement because it
8:04 was already pretty complex just a new
8:06 development agreement so Trish how does
8:11 this affect the lakeside industries
8:13 matter because they have a development
8:15 agreement correct and they're now
8:16 they're listed they're listed as an area
8:19 that could be a TDR receiving site yes
8:21 they are because they have they have
8:23 required they have a requirement in
8:26 their development agreement that in one
8:27 of their future phases they need to use
8:30 TDRs they need to consume some okay
8:33 that's separate than the Highlands
8:34 they're a totally separate development
8:36 agreement okay so this is listed as a
8:39 red receiving site only because that's
8:42 in their development agreement it's
8:44 already yeah they are technically not
8:47 going to be
8:48 by these changes right they were not
8:51 touched during they weren't that they're
8:53 not affected at all by these changes
8:55 proposed changes right any other
9:00 questions do you want to open up the
9:06 public Here I am going to open the
9:08 public hearing that it's 45 and ask if
9:12 anybody is seeing nobody I'm going to
9:22 close the public hearing yes thanks 46
9:27 and go on to the next discussion which
9:32 is old town okay we're opening
9:41 discussion we need a motion to approve
9:45 the amendment and then I may be a motion
9:48 from a 1 2 3 4
9:51 you're an alternate tonight I'm sorry
9:53 okay we'll be making a motion to approve
10:00 the TDRs or Highlands or the Highlands
10:06 was looking for additional verbage but
10:09 as there isn't so I'd like to make a
10:11 motion to approve the TDRs for the
10:13 Highlands Jacqueline
10:17 any other discussion all those in favor
10:22 say aye
10:23 hi now you can go to the next of the TV
10:28 arts as written error has changed as
10:31 amended yeah in the packet and yours I
10:36 just call that Barney okay hello so just
10:57 for discussion tonight there were a few
11:00 things we presented this last week and
11:02 there are a few things that you all
11:03 asked us to do so we'd like to sort of
11:05 do a little housekeeping make sure that
11:07 we've taken care of things that you all
11:08 wanted us to do before we bring it back
11:10 for public hearings see if there's
11:11 anything else that we need to do to
11:13 clean up the plan for that first thing
11:15 you asked us to do was to bring back the
11:17 downtown Street scapes conceptual plan
11:20 and the phases so that you could talk
11:22 could include that in the action plan
11:23 and look at what's proposed and see if
11:26 there any changes that you wanted to
11:28 make to that so I'm gonna go over it how
11:30 it's written in the plan and then you
11:32 guys can discuss it when I'm done so
11:36 phase one is to complete the front
11:38 Street Street Street scape from sunset
11:40 to Alder so they did stormwater
11:42 improvements a while ago on
11:43 three-quarters of that section they
11:45 didn't do half of the west side of the
11:47 street they pulled out all the trees
11:49 they put in new stormwater they put a
11:51 new sidewalks widen the sidewalks where
11:53 they could and that was it so the first
11:55 part is to the first proposed part was
11:59 to replace the street trees add new
12:02 plantings benches receptacles and bike
12:03 racks replace the sidewalk on the west
12:07 part that they didn't do and replace the
12:10 trees there as well and then do a
12:12 feasibility study for a pedestrian
12:15 scramble at front and sunset so what is
12:18 currently going to happen as part of
12:20 phase 1 that is in the 2018 budget is
12:23 that only the trees that were removed
12:26 during the stormwater were a few years
12:28 ago
12:29 are going to
12:29 be replaced along with some benches and
12:32 receptacles and that is done that's
12:35 being done because of money the funding
12:38 so that's that's what's actually gonna
12:40 happen
12:43 phase two is doing the altar festivals
12:46 yes I go back please
12:48 so so so phase one there's four bullets
12:53 on what we wanted to do and phase two is
12:55 what we're doing
12:56 yes so the two things to do so the two
13:01 things that got dropped the feasibility
13:03 study and doing redoing the sidewalks
13:06 and stormwater on the west northwest
13:08 portion of Front Street okay are those
13:11 being just pushed to Phase two being
13:13 pushed a face I don't know if I think
13:17 the phases are probably going to change
13:18 a little bit now okay you want to help
13:21 with that sure because I was just saying
13:22 I didn't I didn't see the feasibility
13:23 study on the next page yeah I didn't put
13:26 it in anywhere so okay so you didn't you
13:28 didn't I was doing you are what or what
13:30 are the what the phases that were
13:31 adopted but I just wanted to show you
13:33 this change because this is what's
13:35 actually being done which leaves some of
13:36 phase one still do we discussed that
13:39 makes sense yes okay so phase two is the
13:42 alder Festival Street which means
13:43 acquisition of some right away which is
13:45 where the sidewalks are on private
13:46 property so we'd have to acquire that it
13:48 means adding some Street trees and some
13:50 festival lighting and that's at creating
13:53 of creating a festival street it would
13:55 be opened to the public it would be used
13:57 for you could drive on it most of the
13:59 time it will just be closed for
14:01 festivals for parties phase three is the
14:03 front street streetscape improvements
14:05 doing the same thing that was done
14:06 between sunset and alder only between
14:08 alder and dogwood so those three phases
14:11 are phases that were looked at
14:14 financially so there is a budget or a
14:17 proposed budget attached to each of
14:19 those
14:20 lastly other future phases these are
14:22 other things that were discussed in the
14:24 plan that could be done don't have any
14:26 budgeting attached to them but that
14:27 doesn't mean that they couldn't
14:28 potentially be moved up as part of the
14:30 front folds to Old Town plan so the
14:33 actual implementation of the of the
14:35 Scramble if it's feasible make front
14:38 Street Street scape improvements from
14:40 dogwood all the way to Gilman
14:42 have public-private partnerships to
14:45 install parklets create a Creek over
14:47 look at dairy cold which would
14:49 definitely be a private-public
14:50 partnership and street improvements at
14:52 the hatchery which are involved trees
14:56 and seating and that kind of thing also
14:58 public private Oh private or public
15:02 public public public public it's owned
15:05 by the state but it's not us it's not
15:08 all of us so that was what was intended
15:09 by that so I if you all want to ask
15:12 questions and talk about this part now I
15:15 do have a question as far as the street
15:19 streetscapes with the landscaping and
15:21 the trees mean that we are gonna be
15:25 hitting this at multiple phases we asked
15:28 if the public would be interesting and
15:29 donating to a tree if they would be
15:33 interested in donating a tree donating a
15:35 tree or like a charity type Drive where
15:38 people can purchase a tree for a cause
15:40 we have not know it might be something
15:45 we could use or help raise revenue for
15:51 maybe a local charity food bank or like
15:55 that
15:55 what is the funding source for this just
15:57 the general CIP usually I don't know
16:04 what it is for if it for phase one for
16:07 what's being done this year I don't know
16:08 if it's both grants and City money the
16:11 usually a grant grants pay for the bulk
16:13 of it okay so the so my second question
16:16 is like what was the intended funding
16:18 for all three phases grant funded grant
16:20 funding and then we give what we can
16:22 impact yeah all of these plans look
16:29 wonderful with lots of trees and stuff
16:31 is or any of the trees impacting the
16:35 flow of traffic the any of the proposed
16:38 trees or any of the existing trees yeah
16:41 not that was discussed during the
16:43 planning process no
16:48 at park but parking will be parking will
16:53 be slightly impacted because there are
16:55 some additional bull ballots or places
16:57 for pedestrians / to do safer crosswalks
17:00 so some of that is impacted not much I
17:04 think it's two spaces along the entire
17:06 front street for those people who can't
17:10 find a parking plan eliminating any
17:13 parking this is problematic yeah we
17:17 gotta get him to walk yeah so in the
17:22 plan there's a few ways that they were
17:28 going to handle enhanced crossing so
17:31 that there were treatments on the ground
17:32 particularly at older Street for the
17:35 festival Street is that still heard of
17:39 one of those faces that is still mm-hmm
17:42 okay I think it's a phase I think it's
17:44 face to may be face one oh it would be
17:49 part of Phase two I think I'd have to
17:51 look at the detailed budget but I think
17:53 it's part of Phase two
17:54 so was that included in one of those
17:56 bullet points so well I didn't get into
17:59 the details of exactly yeah I was just
18:01 trying to outline for you all it's in
18:03 the packets okay but I'm sure it's in
18:08 here somewhere I probably have read it
18:10 but what when is phase one two and three
18:14 what year is it phase one was initially
18:19 going to be 2018 but it was proposed to
18:21 be the full phase 1 2018 19 and like I
18:25 said only part of that's being done and
18:27 the rest of those I think Keith's that
18:29 last time have now been pushed out to
18:30 six years plus
18:36 for the rest of phase 1 & 2 & 3 that's
18:40 as far as I change yes okay when he said
18:44 the rest I assumed all yes
18:46 so why pushed out so far I mean I know
18:49 you're saying funding but it sounds like
18:51 we we came into this with the
18:54 expectation we had funding and then what
18:58 happened
18:58 I don't know that you go into it every
19:01 time with the expectation that you have
19:03 funding I think you planned something
19:04 and work for the funding and the the
19:09 City Council because those trees had
19:11 been taken out and the businesses and
19:13 the residents wanted it the trees back
19:15 they said let's get that piece done this
19:17 year let's be sure they have their trees
19:19 back this year so is this something that
19:24 needs to be brought up with counsel as
19:26 far as your marking and creating the
19:30 urgency for the budget is this something
19:32 that we have any power on well that was
19:36 as I understood it the purpose of this
19:38 discussion was that if you all wanted to
19:40 see something moved up and the action
19:41 plans we move it up this goes to Council
19:43 and it can be discussed there I'd like
19:46 to see it all moved up and die I think
19:51 one thing is also presumably a lot of
19:53 money in time and effort was put
19:54 together to put in a lot of design
19:57 detail and so I think it's important to
19:58 not you know let this go stale and then
20:01 create a new plan five years from now
20:03 that requires the same amount of money
20:04 agreed I don't as i'm thumbing through
20:07 it I see no reason to meddle with all
20:10 the great design work it's just a
20:12 question of trying to find the financial
20:15 bandwidth so knocking some of these
20:17 things out right and this wasn't to
20:18 discuss the design work or what was done
20:20 and you know do we really want those
20:22 trees here or the festival street it's
20:23 looking at the proposed phases and
20:24 looking at the future phases as well
20:26 that I included in there to see if
20:28 there's anything that you all would like
20:30 to see even though it's six years and
20:32 six years out say no this is a smaller
20:35 piece maybe the parklets you know those
20:38 are pushed out they're a public-private
20:39 partnership they cost less money they
20:41 can be temporary maybe you say let's
20:43 push that into 2019 and get that done so
20:45 christen this printout it's organized by
20:48 section is there is there a part of the
20:51 part of the printout that has the has
20:54 the phasing doctor written it's in the
20:56 back it's it's in the back let me see
21:01 so page 47 of our pocket I know it
21:07 doesn't really have 620 has the
21:12 estimated design and construction cost
21:14 that shows the phases okay that's that's
21:17 what you walked us through this yeah 6.0
21:19 is the implementation and then after
21:21 that the two or three pages after that
21:23 break it down into budget budget and
21:26 what's in each of those budgets this
21:28 evenness isn't as detailed as what I
21:30 have but yeah breaks it down a little
21:33 bit there is the side thought is the
21:36 Overlook at Derry gold is that in the
21:40 park plan not that I'm aware of no
21:43 because parks at parks is more concerned
21:45 with parks focuses on public spaces and
21:48 that's on a private property
21:51 because what was talked about during the
21:53 plan is doing it in their parking lot so
21:56 those would be improvements made by the
21:57 city and dairy gold with you know dairy
22:00 gold grants access I think back to
22:06 number one phase one
22:09 yeah phase one oops
22:21 hey so the tree I'm looking at the trees
22:24 okay and then go to phase two so unless
22:37 you had a thought I see on Phase two
22:41 we're also adding more trees so is it a
22:44 issue what's the issue with the trees
22:48 why couldn't all the trees be done in
22:50 phase one I think those are just on
22:52 alder Street as part of the festival
22:54 Street right phase two okay so they need
22:56 to do the demolition on the festival
22:58 Street before they consider putting in
23:00 the trees
23:01 takes time more than just planting the
23:02 trees actually infrastructure right you
23:04 get the sidewalk you'd build the
23:06 sidewalks out and it looks like it's
23:07 gonna be more of a I've just lost the
23:09 word but one of those roads without
23:13 without sidewalks there's construction
23:23 involved owner yeah it's like um what's
23:29 the street in downtown Seattle that they
23:31 tried to do it Pike Place has it but
23:32 Bell Street Bell Street Street is
23:34 probably the most modern version we have
23:36 it kind of works
23:39 the idea is you Blair the one in the
23:41 highlands right by the movie theater
23:43 right yeah so my idea of actually maybe
23:46 raising revenue for the trees may not
23:48 work but we still might be able to use
23:50 that idea to help raise funds for
23:52 charity sure speaking of speaking of
23:56 funding mechanism so on page 48
23:59 whatever the page we're all looking at
24:01 the 1616 so it specifically calls that
24:04 so those that there's federal grants and
24:06 state grants and then there's a lid
24:07 mm-hmm we want to talk about a lid that
24:09 was that considered in prior years
24:11 because I look at this and this is this
24:13 is a lot of these are a lot of nice
24:15 things but it's a lot of quality of life
24:17 which tells me that something like a lid
24:19 makes sense because what you're doing is
24:21 you're really in guys yeah yeah you're
24:23 at you're adding a lot of value to the
24:25 local neighborhood in terms of property
24:27 value right and like it's nice for the
24:29 rest the community but this seems like
24:30 something that that's very conducive for
24:32 a local improvement
24:34 and something else that needs to be done
24:36 and the reason this was in here is that
24:37 a fiscal study needs to be done to see
24:40 find out what some of the best funding
24:42 mechanisms are so a lid there they would
24:44 look at a lid and talk to property
24:46 owners and see if that's one of their
24:47 best options this was just a list of
24:49 possibilities okay what seems like if
24:51 you're talking with the pull for it he's
24:53 like that would be the right thing to do
24:54 first is to identify a permanent source
24:58 of funding okay and similarly the step
25:02 seven a collaboration with the DIA
25:05 mmm-hmm I'm surprised nobody from di is
25:08 here today to talk about something that
25:11 could make a big difference to the
25:13 downtown right well I think they're
25:16 hoping that the faces go ahead as
25:18 planned I'm not sure yes and if they
25:20 were here they could discuss that and
25:23 put more pressure on it which might get
25:27 that to move forward right I'm looking
25:32 for community engagement so thoughts on
25:37 the phasing my general thought is in
25:40 this may be contrary to what others
25:42 think but I guess just like at a high
25:46 level I I would probably prefer to
25:48 prioritize the streetscaping stuff like
25:52 the left the stuff we haven't done in
25:53 phase one and what's mentioned in phase
25:55 three over the festival Street okay this
25:58 is a general thought I mean I'm excited
26:02 about the festival street but we were
26:04 pretty good at festivals already shut
26:06 down the street and have a festival so I
26:09 think the street scape improvements are
26:11 a higher priority for me I mean but I
26:13 want it all to happen Mike I'm starting
26:17 with Phase three is that it's 2.3
26:19 million dollars to do the front Street
26:21 between older and dogwood and I feel
26:24 like that's gonna be difficult to
26:26 propose whereas perhaps the 1.3 with the
26:33 festival Street could get some of the
26:36 Downtown Association behind it and you
26:38 could really get it done yeah get
26:43 something done here what makes all the
26:44 other dogwood so expensive
26:46 this is just a longer stretch of road I
26:50 think it's a longer stretch of road and
26:52 at the same time while we've adjusted
26:54 the stormwater here between sunset and
26:57 alder it hasn't been done between alder
27:00 and dogwood so everything that's already
27:01 been done will have to be tacked on to
27:04 this project ok so there's some
27:05 additional additional yes
27:07 you know bread and butter touch and
27:09 there's no irrigate you know they put in
27:10 the I can't think of words they not the
27:13 irrigation but they put in like the
27:15 valves and conduits they put in the
27:16 conduits for the irrigation in this
27:17 piece which they don't have already up
27:19 there so there's additional work is
27:22 there anything in here that is safety
27:25 really anything in here that city fees
27:27 safety Oh safe if you looking at
27:29 priority anything here that would
27:30 enhance safety the crosswalks help to
27:33 build up safety
27:33 I think pulling those forward makes more
27:36 sense than things that are more
27:38 facilitating comfort ok I'm gonna do
27:41 that without the center wise wouldn't
27:43 you can put in a crosswalk without
27:45 improving the neighboring sidewalk you
27:49 can but the you only want to try and
27:51 disturb things once and if you go in and
27:53 I'm not an engineer but if you go in and
27:55 you do a crosswalk but the intent is to
27:58 invention widen those sidewalks you'd
28:00 like to widen the sidewalks and do the
28:02 crosswalks at the same time so that
28:03 you're not doing it twice ok and you're
28:07 probably right but for notes I think if
28:10 there's anything if there's anything
28:11 safety related that can be pulled
28:13 forward in a safety for an inch possible
28:15 yeah in a reasonable way then okay we
28:18 don't yet know I hear what you're saying
28:20 it doesn't make sense to pull some of
28:21 these projects apart you could do the
28:24 crosswalks in the phase one area up to
28:27 Alder potentially and just make sure
28:31 that that those treatments are done
28:33 there that would be a part of it yes a
28:36 phase one okay timeline we're looking at
28:42 phase 1 2018 so does that mean phase 2 B
28:46 2019 and then Tory or just win that was
28:50 originally proposed but now they've been
28:52 pushed out six years plus but you can
28:55 recommend yeah exactly that's and that's
28:56 what this is you want to see any pieces
28:58 of this and
28:59 cluding the future phases that don't
29:00 have budgets attached to them pushed up
29:02 like parklets or work with fishery Fish
29:05 Hatchery any of those you can propose to
29:07 move those up okay reason I'm suggesting
29:12 issues with the years is because I'm
29:16 foreseen that we will likely have a
29:18 economic decline soon
29:20 in which case funds may be come
29:23 restricted these projects will get
29:26 pushed out I'm saying that because we're
29:29 a cyclical market and right now the
29:30 economy is humming along but in two to
29:33 three years from now we might start
29:34 seeing a downturn which would be
29:37 reasonable and if these projects are
29:40 getting pushed out three to six years
29:41 that's probably going to be in that that
29:46 downturn which means they may get pushed
29:48 out in definitely so do you see anything
29:50 on the phases that you would like to
29:52 push up for the six years I would like
29:57 to push up the Gilman gateway welcome to
30:00 Issaquah sign at the front I think that
30:02 has a high impact and it's something
30:04 that many many people have said they
30:07 want to see however I would like to
30:11 comment for that that it should be
30:13 positioned to acknowledge the fact that
30:15 the entrance to old town has now moved I
30:17 well that's where it is it's the corner
30:21 if you look if you look at the way it's
30:23 positioned on the Don this might just be
30:25 updating the diagram but it looks like
30:27 the entrance is turning onto Front
30:28 Street and it should be positioned to
30:30 acknowledge that old route 10 is also
30:32 part of yeah Old Town now I think it's
30:36 on that corner welcoming people as
30:37 they're coming off of the freeway term I
30:40 think it's gonna go in where it's
30:42 feasible for site and safety so anything
30:52 you don't like oh sorry
30:56 Karl go ahead you're on a roll I was
30:59 gonna say like I agree that that seemed
31:01 like something that was distinct that
31:03 could be done okay on its own okay I
31:06 think the takeaway is we all want it all
31:08 done so I think looking at funding it's
31:11 probably more important than trying to
31:12 and then they have Venice sequencing
31:14 okay you know I think that the people
31:18 who you who put this plan together
31:21 actually looked at the process of what
31:24 can be done when it can be done what it
31:28 should be done in what order so I don't
31:30 I don't see anything that besides a sign
31:34 that you can just whip out and and do
31:36 I'm not for we doing I think it's a
31:39 waste of money to to redo some some of
31:42 this stuff so my only thing is I don't
31:46 want it put in a drawer and forgotten
31:49 I want it somehow to make sure that it
31:54 is top shelf and if money is available
32:00 before six years that the council looks
32:08 at it and and processes higher than six
32:12 years from now I'm gonna support what
32:16 she says like I agree but I would
32:18 actually like to make it a step forward
32:21 and actually put your commitments on
32:23 here and say 2018 2019 2020 or something
32:27 of that sort so we actually have a we're
32:30 specifying some sort of timeline
32:33 otherwise I'm afraid that this these
32:35 things won't contain just in the action
32:37 part of the plan you can say for example
32:39 that from 2018 to 2019 all of phase 1
32:42 maybe the next year all of phase two and
32:45 three it can be as simple as that to to
32:49 place them on your action items for Old
32:51 Town and I don't I don't know how useful
32:53 it is if it's not funded I think it's a
32:56 good idea to put it on there right and
32:59 understanding it maybe a little bit of
33:01 an empty gesture and then I would also
33:03 add on to phase one the
33:08 feasibility Rowlett the well not even
33:10 the feasibility study on that particular
33:13 area but figuring out the funding
33:16 because now you know putting that as a
33:19 priority rather than just saying this is
33:22 when we think it should be done so the I
33:25 haven't seen it yet I haven't taken a
33:27 look but the TI p is coming to you in
33:30 the next month or so this is a good time
33:32 to have a discussion with Public Works
33:34 when they come as well
33:35 and talk about priorities on the TI p in
33:37 the front street streetscape and plan
33:39 I'm making a recommendation their two
33:42 sons one of Carl did yet did you want to
33:45 say something oh I did that's all right
33:48 no no that's okay oh okay well I'll say
33:55 something I I think realistically we
33:58 can't go
33:59 you know phase one in a year phase two
34:01 and yeah I would say if we spread it out
34:03 over six years and kind of say two years
34:05 so 2019 to 2020 for phase one 2021 to
34:09 2022 and Karia like that just knowing
34:12 that it takes time to you know to figure
34:14 out the funding in and to actually
34:17 implement anything you can't do it that
34:19 even that in two years probably but so
34:21 I'd say as a bit of a me meet them
34:25 halfway kind of a gesture that if
34:26 everything was pushed out six years
34:28 maybe we could say well let's try to
34:29 accomplish it within six years and you
34:31 know two years per phase okay Kristen
34:36 have has the city done anything in
34:39 regards to establishing a lid or BIA no
34:45 what's the price not interesting what's
34:48 the process to do that does the city
34:51 initiate that the city even initially
34:53 has to be done because seems to me
34:55 that's where you're gonna get your money
34:56 from again we're relying on grants and
34:58 stuff I don't put a lot of faith in that
35:00 that's a crapshoot mm-hmm at the lid or
35:05 a business improvement area is one way
35:09 that you've got to you can get the money
35:11 mm-hmm that seems to me the city should
35:14 be doing something to initiate that
35:18 process
35:19 I'm not sure what the mechanism is to do
35:22 that do you write the city would do the
35:24 research to find out how much of an
35:25 increase for all the properties it would
35:27 be and and you could say to do that to
35:31 start the lid process at least in 1819
35:35 do you do that by going out to the
35:37 businesses with a letter initiating and
35:39 saying hey we're looking at doing this
35:41 right that hasn't been done or who has
35:44 to initiate know we would initiate that
35:46 right because yeah this is just a DAP in
35:49 what last year this was adopted and yes
35:52 last year April of last year so we're
35:53 just getting started
35:54 are there any existing lids for those
35:57 properties that they're already paying
35:59 on know there has been a lid in the past
36:01 but just yeah but this one it ended not
36:03 in like a couple of years ago a few
36:05 years ago for then are we considering I
36:07 know there's some conversation of a
36:10 parking structure right that we're going
36:14 to address sometime in the future
36:16 supposed to parking solution sure yeah
36:19 yes parking solution thank you yes that
36:23 would possibly include a lid so do we
36:28 have any concerns that if we talk about
36:29 a lid for a front street streetscape
36:33 plan that it would cause problems with
36:35 getting the parking handled well maybe I
36:38 had not heard that there was talk of a
36:40 lid with the parking structure until you
36:42 just told it to me but you know just the
36:45 idea that we're gonna have to find
36:46 funding for that as well and whether or
36:48 not that comes from the capital
36:50 improvement or CIP or you know something
36:53 it's all competing dollars right right
36:57 right
36:58 parking solutions but I had heard
37:01 obviously because this one's in the
37:03 adapted plan I think it's important to
37:05 keep them separate because I think this
37:07 is you know it's a million or two this
37:09 is pretty cheap relative to building
37:12 parking the parking would be a big
37:13 investment that would probably involved
37:15 much more in than Old Town mm-hmm
37:17 whereas this I feel like it's just old
37:19 town it's enough dollars that if you
37:21 spread it over a couple years it's a
37:23 pretty small lid I don't I don't I feel
37:25 like parking is a big yeah citywide
37:28 discussion not and this we can kind of
37:30 keep in just the neighborhood so how
37:31 about if in the
37:33 18 20 19 action plan we include include
37:36 we include begin discussions about a lid
37:40 you know or begin research on cost
37:43 estimates for a lid and what that would
37:44 be and work with you know if feasible
37:46 then work with the property owners there
37:49 are better words can can it be I did
37:52 it's something can be a little bit
37:54 bigger but also a little more aggressive
37:55 to say identify no I didn't identify a
38:00 permanent source of funding that can be
38:03 the action is to is identify funding and
38:05 it doesn't matter if it's we put it into
38:07 the CIP or we decided to roll with
38:09 grants already put in the lid I know I
38:11 don't want to just be discuss a lid for
38:13 two years and then we don't actually get
38:14 to implementing it until 2020 in 2021
38:17 I would love to see in in an 1819
38:19 timeframe the city decide how we want to
38:23 fund this and you are just talking about
38:25 phase one are you talking about phase
38:27 two I would like to see accomplished in
38:30 phase one how we're going to fund all
38:32 the phases all the phases okay and and
38:35 the decision might be that we funded via
38:37 the CIP process and it takes eight years
38:39 that that's fine but I would love to
38:42 determine how we're going to fund it we
38:44 decided what we want to do and how and
38:46 how we're gonna do it
38:49 execution-wise now we have to decide how
38:51 we're gonna do it from a funding
38:53 standpoint and we should we should
38:54 decide that now so that we can have this
38:57 not become stale okay what I didn't like
39:01 when you said begin the process of
39:04 discussion that that doesn't hold you
39:07 know there has to be a end mm-hmm okay
39:10 the decide more action-oriented yeah but
39:14 I you know this is a big process your is
39:16 creating this lid you're asking
39:18 businesses to partake and pay money for
39:21 this so it's gonna be a long process
39:24 you've got to work about well how much
39:26 is it gonna hurt business oh you know do
39:29 we want businesses in town or not so all
39:32 of that has that's a long discussion
39:33 there are things that have to be done
39:35 surely if staff and the men the mayor
39:38 and whatnot think'll it is worth
39:40 pursuing surely we can go through that
39:42 public process within the
39:44 months mm-hmm I've never done it but I
39:47 would have 18 months sure oh I have
39:54 another concern that I was thinking
39:56 about and that is if we go through phase
39:58 1 2 & 3 and they are all they will all
40:02 affect Front Street even phase 2 that's
40:07 a lot of construction people are going
40:08 to get upset because it's long
40:10 construction cycles would there be a net
40:14 savings if we did everything at the same
40:16 time and if we don't have the money to
40:19 start the process this year wait a year
40:22 or two years until we do a lid or and we
40:26 just hit it one shot because we have all
40:28 the construction vehicles there we have
40:30 everything locked off we're doing it all
40:32 at the same time again I'm not an
40:37 engineer but there's got to be a reason
40:38 they didn't propose to do it all at once
40:40 and my guess is that it's funding right
40:42 which which i think is is Ron's point is
40:45 if we go with the lid that you can bond
40:48 against does it make more sense to just
40:50 to do it all yeah do do all the front
40:52 strangers to all at once that's worth
40:54 looking at when the consultant looks at
40:56 how much it's gonna cost you know
40:59 looking at combining phases or breaking
41:00 up phases that's something that the
41:02 consultant can look at okay because
41:03 whether there would be a savings there
41:04 or not I don't know well what that would
41:07 do was to make people find a different
41:10 way to go through front street for
41:12 traffic they would have to go 18 they
41:14 would have to find another way and then
41:17 you could open up Front Street and
41:20 Africa would be normal we start tomorrow
41:24 you just make it 10 year process not on
41:30 the record so at the end of the funding
41:33 mechanisms section it says the economic
41:36 development department staff will need
41:37 to perform a financial study to explore
41:39 these funding mechanisms more thoroughly
41:41 and recommend a funding path right so it
41:44 sounds like that portion is really what
41:47 we want brought into phase one and put a
41:52 focus on figuring out which of these
41:54 options and
41:56 I don't know about you guys but I think
41:58 all of the funding options that they
42:01 mentioned the federal funding the wash
42:03 dot or the Improvement District or area
42:06 I think are all valid and reasonable and
42:10 should be considered so I have here for
42:12 2018-2019 identify funding sources for
42:14 all phases now when we expanded on but
42:17 that's okay okay
42:20 can the Commission recommend we look
42:23 into a lid as like our official initial
42:26 position or is that premature I would
42:30 suggest having whoever does this we're
42:32 gonna have a consultant anyway look at
42:33 all of it to see what really is the most
42:36 reasonable and the most accountable so
42:41 we didn't so the consultants who put
42:42 this together did not scope in know I
42:45 mean I might strengthen that statement
42:49 to ask the staff to perform the
42:55 financial study what's the difference
43:00 well she just said consider I'm just
43:02 saying can we let the financial study on
43:06 the docket to make sure that we are
43:09 specifically asking for that not just a
43:11 conversation about it
43:12 2018-2019 perform a financial study to
43:15 identify funding for all phases all
43:17 right thank you okay we good can we move
43:21 on any more backing out all right oops
43:28 so moving on to some of the edits that
43:31 came up last time this one was actually
43:33 ours we were looking at the last section
43:36 that said parting thoughts and we
43:37 thought you know this really belongs
43:38 upfront so so we moved out of the
43:41 streetscape and old I just did yeah is
43:43 that okay you Jerry do you have more
43:44 it's like that
43:45 no I just I just wanted to make sure I
43:46 should be flipping like Akamai and so we
43:50 just looked at it and thought this was
43:51 our edit we thought parting thoughts
43:53 belonged up at the top so we moved part
43:55 of it to quality of life and part of it
43:57 to plan framework because it says this
43:59 plan creates a roadmap so and thank you
44:01 for changing threats to quality of life
44:03 that was another one
44:05 again for a long time yeah when I went
44:10 through the plan you have you're not
44:13 consistent with the e on ah
44:15 we thought we'd cut them off okay well
44:16 we thought we got them all yeah I don't
44:18 know where it is right now but though
44:23 isn't the understanding to take it off
44:26 no the understanding is to leave it in
44:28 there bad good yeah yeah okay the next
44:32 one what came up one thing that came up
44:34 last time and we did this on your
44:35 quality of life as to define cut through
44:37 traffic
44:38 we had one sentence we've put it into
44:40 two because there's sort of different
44:42 things so vehicular traffic passing
44:44 through old town and this is just kind
44:45 of explaining the threats or what's
44:47 affecting the quality of life via killer
44:50 traffic passing through old town without
44:51 stopping or without at least an origin
44:54 or destination within the area also
44:56 known as cut through traffic is worse
44:58 than it has ever been and then we
44:59 separated out regional traffic caused by
45:01 growth outside of Issaquah increases
45:02 congestion on front and sunset there's
45:05 fallacy in that they are stopping and
45:09 going and stopping and going that's a
45:12 different kind of stopping I know
45:16 comments on that one you good okay I was
45:25 quick okay plan and it's there were
45:28 several things that you asked us to do
45:29 here one was to work with the different
45:32 transit agencies and other providers to
45:34 add routes increase frequency of service
45:36 and increased service options that was
45:38 down in later years and we moved it up
45:39 to short-term prepare an inventory of
45:44 missing pedestrian and bicycle
45:45 facilities also moved up and begin
45:48 implementing recommendations from the
45:50 downtown streetscape plan has been added
45:54 so there is something about their
45:57 streetscape plan in the first one but
45:59 it's not implement so 2021 is
46:02 implementing it says begin implementing
46:05 oh yeah mm-hmm here let's see
46:15 continue implementing continued
46:21 implementation of the wreck of the
46:22 downtown street okay here's a question
46:24 so we're looking at two different years
46:27 2018 2019 2020 and 2021 and what was the
46:33 intention are we really looking at 2018
46:36 2019 for the phase one oh you you have
46:41 continued implementing in the printout
46:43 short-term dua and I just changed it
46:45 here okay
46:46 which makes more sense yeah you have
46:48 began in 1819 and then 2020 you have
46:51 continued okay all right so it's right
46:54 in what ice cave you yeah I just messed
46:56 it up here okay all right well then that
46:58 kind of negates the question okay can
47:02 you have a calm after Sound Transit
47:03 absolutely thank you
47:04 oh wait what did you just say can I add
47:08 a comma after after San transit oh yes
47:11 Oxford comma okay got that all right
47:22 a couple of others create and adopt the
47:25 neighborhood redevelopment infill to
47:27 quit we just decided we need to create
47:30 it first ensure support and review
47:33 improvements to Internet connectivity
47:34 and cell service we clarified this and
47:37 we moved it up based on a discussion
47:38 last time and then create an old town
47:42 community garden that was in the last in
47:45 the long term so we moved that up as
47:47 well to short term where where was
47:50 number 10 in the short term where it was
47:53 the community garden it was in the long
47:55 term longer term section where oh I
48:00 don't know we have to figure it out okay
48:06 don't know any area that's wet anyway no
48:09 questions short term 2020 21 and long
48:12 term 2020 2021
48:16 that's right in the printout it's 2022
48:19 to 2025 in the preneur I think that was
48:22 a cut and paste error on my part
48:24 yeah okay that's okay so longer term
48:31 which is beyond 2021 increased mobility
48:35 options such as the trolley shopping
48:37 shuttle out of area parking to improve
48:40 mobility options for Old Town landed
48:42 that is that Charlie ready yeah it works
48:48 this was just an expansion it doesn't
48:51 how often it runs yeah exactly it
48:53 doesn't run regularly but it works and
48:56 they would like to increase the amount
48:58 of time they don't have been part of
49:00 that yeah okay so there are things that
49:03 we talked about that we recognized that
49:04 we haven't addressed yet one is that we
49:06 need to add Maps this plan does not have
49:08 a map in it so we need to put the maps
49:09 back in or a map to give a shout out to
49:14 confluence and ties to central Issaquah
49:16 in other areas like the trail trail
49:17 heads and so forth we know that that has
49:19 to be in here if you all want to discuss
49:22 any potential policies for that tonight
49:24 let us know if you have any ideas but we
49:26 can work on that too and bring it back
49:27 next time address individual gateways
49:31 was one that came up last time it was in
49:33 the original draft that we brought here
49:35 but they were taken out and so we have
49:39 some policies that are written we can
49:40 put those back in the streets Kate has
49:44 some nice gateway pictures look at page
49:47 49 okay
49:49 I'm saying if you want to if you want to
49:50 reuse that diagram got a West Gate Way
49:53 north gate way if we're gonna if we're
49:58 if if the streetscape guide design or
50:00 whatever that seems called downtown
50:02 street shape concept plan and still
50:03 valid we should just take those gateways
50:06 and then just incorporate this in the
50:08 plan okay
50:14 this one this one came up discussed
50:16 which when it's somebody from the public
50:17 brought it up discuss which we use to
50:19 protect we have two existing policies in
50:22 there one is required building setbacks
50:24 to preserve views of the hillsides for
50:25 mid 16th Street corridors and the other
50:27 improved public accessing to and views
50:30 of Issaquah Creek in the East Fork of
50:32 Issaquah Creek with in Old Town so those
50:35 are both existing is there something
50:37 else that you all would like to change
50:39 or add or clarify or make stronger yes
50:43 okay I think three two is fine but it's
50:46 not that's not about preserving of you
50:51 that's about preserving just use in
50:53 general can't ensuring that your general
50:56 visibility I think the idea is that
50:57 there are specific views that we want
51:00 protected and we want that articulated
51:02 similar to access some use of his cook
51:05 week and Creek in that east for I think
51:06 the one that keep that keeps in mind is
51:09 the viewer veneer okay and so I think
51:11 having that in the plan to make sure
51:14 that a structure say along Front Street
51:16 does not block the view of Renier from
51:18 Rainier Street okay urban air Rainier in
51:22 front I think I see it from both so I
51:24 think that's the one I did so the
51:26 comment I brought this up a couple means
51:29 and as it keeps coming up is specifying
51:32 which views we want to protect so I like
51:35 I like that three threes in there I
51:36 didn't realize that I think that's kind
51:38 of language we're looking for I think
51:39 the view of Mount Ranier is one I'd like
51:41 to add what other specific views not the
51:46 general we want to be able to see green
51:49 because I'm but that's not you can't
51:52 point the three point to and say we
51:55 can't you can't do this development you
51:56 use three point two to say okay I want
51:58 my zoning to have a certain setback you
52:01 don't use it you you don't use it to
52:03 defend a specific view I think I'm
52:05 looking for more specific views okay any
52:07 other view I would say as you're going
52:09 self down Front Street is that self
52:14 going toward squawk Mountain being able
52:18 to see squawk Mountain on the street
52:20 when you're driving through Front Street
52:22 okay and that's just looking at
52:26 particularly south of sunset whether or
52:29 not there would be building heights at
52:31 that point that would affect the ability
52:33 to see okay yes I just hope that if you
52:42 don't initiate illuminate all of the
52:47 possible views individually some of
52:52 they're going to get lost because of
52:54 they're not in there well then they're
52:56 not important views is there something
52:58 else you want to add no okay and we by
53:01 doing that I'm afraid that you take away
53:05 that the rest of it I mean I think if
53:08 you think about this really say for
53:10 example the the view of squawk Mountain
53:12 from South Front Street and the view of
53:14 Mount Rainier from Renier Boulevard we
53:17 can call those though because the only
53:18 ones the city can really protect her the
53:20 views from public areas we can't protect
53:23 them from someone's house or from you
53:25 know it has to be like from a public
53:27 park or a public street we can try to
53:29 protect those because we are in control
53:31 of what happens on the site but so
53:34 there's really only four view corridors
53:37 because there's only four streets of
53:39 significance Renier front sunset and
53:41 then hold about ten I think as you
53:43 mentally tick through it we've covered
53:44 we're near in front on sunset and over
53:48 out 10:00 as you stand on those streets
53:50 is there a specific view that's right
53:52 protecting well you might want to
53:53 protect Tiger Mountain from Memorial
53:55 Field and squawk as well if your own
53:57 sense that it's from any public the note
54:00 that that's why I messed that question
54:01 I'm prompting you guys think
54:03 specifically about those four main
54:05 streets mm-hmm I think your point about
54:07 the field and when Newports not covered
54:11 in this great downtown oh yeah I I can't
54:18 think of any more but I think he thought
54:19 we'd spend other-- minute on no I think
54:20 since it curves enough that I wouldn't
54:24 say that you necessarily need a few yeah
54:29 those are good questions okay yeah I
54:33 think if you add ririn squawk to section
54:35 3 that'd be a good addition okay so I
54:42 think the problem with talking about
54:44 Tiger in relationship to the downtown
54:49 area is whether or not there is a
54:51 specific view corridor from a specific
54:54 Street but I was just throwing that out
54:57 there that it's not just Street
54:58 corridors where you can see the outsides
55:00 it can be services you see pupu point
55:03 from you an old town or do you gotta get
55:05 over for the south let's see it yeah
55:07 let's hear from all front street that
55:11 might be one from front street the
55:16 entire view of Front Street you can see
55:19 the point
55:21 most of them squawk most of tiger and
55:27 definitely arena
55:31 this does presuppose it's a nice day
55:35 Billy you can see people point from mosa
55:38 front I'll check it out say that's all
55:46 walking to her yeah the other thing to
55:51 look at is from any particular parks
55:54 whether or not there are views and so
55:57 looking within that area you've got
55:59 confluence park which could have a view
56:03 particularly across the bridge I don't
56:08 know if there's a view in that direction
56:10 don't think there's particularly a view
56:13 from Memorial Park do we have a walking
56:17 tour schedule
56:18 we haven't driving to our scheduled tour
56:20 huh 24 24 mm-hmm
56:24 we maybe just add that to the agenda to
56:26 not only talk about neighborhoods
56:28 excretes capes but well added to our
56:30 stops and yeah see if you can see the
56:32 exactly yeah pens it'll be daylight it
56:35 will be here in the tour okay
56:36 that's a great idea police night raid
56:39 arms okay but another option Lindsey
56:43 along with what you were saying is that
56:44 you well I don't know good I did during
56:49 that period of time to stop at those
56:51 parks and see if there are any
56:53 particular views that we would want to
56:54 protect right okay all right and then
56:59 moving on it was requested that we call
57:02 out treasures in the plan we currently
57:04 say forma formally recognized the
57:06 abundant Issaquah treasures located and
57:08 is in Old Town that's a policy in there
57:12 all of the treasures are listed in the
57:14 comprehensive plan they are potentially
57:17 getting revamped soon but as I mentioned
57:19 last time most of those are located at
57:21 least two-thirds of those are located in
57:23 Old Town but I don't know if that's if
57:26 what is here currently is enough to call
57:29 out the treasures or if you all are
57:31 looking for more now I would look for
57:33 them listed or at least a section that
57:36 discusses the abundance of them okay
57:41 so you want it more than just mentioning
57:43 him you want him called out not as an
57:47 action item just as a or do you want it
57:51 in the plan and appendix would make
57:55 sense it was after we had him in the
57:57 original but let me I'm not sure if I
57:59 agree cuz I don't because one of the
58:00 things we want to avoid doing is having
58:02 a list of things show up in multiple
58:03 documents right it's already in the
58:05 appendix of the conflict yeah I think I
58:09 disagree with you is this something
58:10 changes you got to make sure it changes
58:11 in both places yeah man and just so that
58:14 you're consistent I mean do we want to
58:18 say as per their whatever comp plans
58:20 people know to look there
58:21 sure okay add that to the only I would
58:27 include a link as well since we are in
58:30 the digital age hey AJ for isn't for the
58:33 clouds yes you could see him okay okay
58:37 alright there anything else that are in
58:39 the policies or can you spell it can you
58:43 spell it what a to you is I know it got
58:45 dropped out yes sir yeah I didn't five
58:49 two five three okay yes
58:58 do we need to all right phrase this
59:04 question is there anything so now that
59:05 we're adding old route 10 there's
59:08 anything that needs to change I think
59:10 everything's raised a vaguely enough
59:13 that and everything everything that
59:16 would apply to front and science I think
59:17 you could add something in the goal a
59:20 place making that discusses that as a
59:24 special place I might recommend to that
59:28 we're doing the tour next time and then
59:31 we open the public hearing and you'd
59:34 have discussion then too after you've
59:37 seen it it might help to go out there
59:38 and instead of seeing in the context of
59:40 central Issaquah seeing in a context of
59:42 Old Town mm-hm and working on a policy
59:45 after that anything else
59:54 okay speaking and boundaries so I don't
59:59 I don't think our intention was to
1:00:00 discuss this tonight really but to throw
1:00:05 it up here that's in your packet see if
1:00:07 you have any thoughts on that part of
1:00:08 the tour is for you all to think about
1:00:10 the boundaries and what fits within your
1:00:14 idea of Oldtown and what doesn't and so
1:00:17 we can talk about these tonight if you'd
1:00:19 like to and that was the reason for an
1:00:22 aerial view and the zoning and that the
1:00:24 labels respond idea of why things might
1:00:28 be in the locations they were in and we
1:00:31 have big ones here too if you wanted to
1:00:33 unroll those for any reason and I think
1:00:34 one of the questions that we had kind of
1:00:36 brought up was the north eastern portion
1:00:39 of rent north of Gilman whether or not
1:00:44 it that makes as much sense in this
1:00:47 portion so you're talking about old
1:00:49 route 10 yes no I
1:00:53 well you in the northwest you all had
1:00:56 decided to keep I think the only thing
1:01:00 was the oh I guess we did we did here
1:01:04 right mm-hmm I had questions about the
1:01:06 ones that were facing rent straight
1:01:09 right by the inner changed their whether
1:01:11 or not they fit the character but I
1:01:12 think we want to make sure that if they
1:01:14 make changes that they go toward the
1:01:17 character so okay the only the only one
1:01:22 that I think is still is the ones on
1:01:24 Front Street south of Clark
1:01:29 [Applause]
1:01:31 I don't even need to say about that now
1:01:35 but that's definitely one for the tour -
1:01:39 you put them in there early as I think
1:01:41 yeah it really depends on where you want
1:01:43 your entrance to old town do you want it
1:01:46 down we're second in front meet which is
1:01:50 where it is now or is it really at Clark
1:01:53 / Newport is that the entrance okay
1:01:56 those could mean two very different
1:01:57 things well when we drive mm-hmm we can
1:02:02 make those decisions they look at it
1:02:04 real time yep
1:02:06 okay the tour is the 20 no no thank you
1:02:11 look at that May 24th yeah it's also in
1:02:17 your packet on one of the last pages we
1:02:19 try to put those in is the two open to
1:02:21 the public I think so
1:02:24 it depends as to how many people are in
1:02:25 the band sure well but do an agenda that
1:02:27 shows where we where we are gonna stop
1:02:30 like we did for central that you know
1:02:32 whatever time we'll hope to stop here
1:02:34 wherever so people are protesting they
1:02:37 can they can follow us around I think
1:02:39 that's a little complicated about
1:02:40 setting up time the discussion might go
1:02:42 right but for public public since it's a
1:02:46 public meeting when you guys are all
1:02:48 together we have to have a public agenda
1:02:49 in places where they can find us
1:02:51 generally like we did for central yeah
1:02:54 we had to do that for central that's
1:02:56 fine so that's all I have so we will
1:02:59 make changes that we talked about
1:03:01 tonight put things in here that we
1:03:02 didn't get a chance to put in here last
1:03:04 time and bring it back for the public
1:03:06 hearing at the next meeting I had one
1:03:08 question about the boundary last time we
1:03:12 talked about the southern corner or
1:03:16 southern pocket that's kind of cut out
1:03:19 of it and why was that why did we decide
1:03:23 to have that little notch in there the
1:03:26 reason why I'm bringing it up is because
1:03:28 the outer boundary actually follows a
1:03:31 Rainier Trail mm-hmm and then it stops
1:03:34 as it goes through
1:03:36 well it doesn't stop but the Rainier
1:03:37 trail goes right through that little
1:03:39 boundary area and I'm just thinking it
1:03:41 doesn't does it make sense to have a
1:03:44 Trish way back away we're weighing the
1:03:46 Wayback Machine we were Charlie before
1:03:49 the dinosaurs were gone we were trying
1:03:52 to get all of the school and the bus
1:03:54 barn in the old town because they were
1:03:56 part of the community facilities that we
1:03:58 had you can change you could stop it at
1:04:01 Clarke if you wanted and have all of
1:04:03 this southern part be not in all town I
1:04:06 mean it's totally up to you all what you
1:04:08 think should belong but back in the day
1:04:11 we wanted all of the community
1:04:13 facilities that were in that area to be
1:04:14 an old town I think there was also a
1:04:17 discussion whether or not those had
1:04:18 sewer access mm-hmm somebody yes right
1:04:22 there was on our tour we definitely want
1:04:24 to go down and look at that right see if
1:04:31 they got sewer that was what they said
1:04:32 at the last meeting right I remember cuz
1:04:34 that used that used to be an issue on
1:04:35 whatever the street south of that was
1:04:37 always Lois Lane City versus County in
1:04:40 offense County it can be Sur but if it
1:04:42 city has to be mandated at Sun oh it's
1:04:44 all City yeah that's all fitting this is
1:04:46 this is just neighborhoods right there
1:04:49 so we have little pockets that don't
1:04:51 have sewer yet and the situation didn't
1:04:53 had that area banana x2 the time oh yeah
1:04:55 yes I can hurt point heavy well part
1:04:58 yeah Park Point had him such a pert
1:05:00 that's in there okay okay so look at
1:05:05 that sometime look at that all yeah but
1:05:09 we should make him know cuz that would
1:05:10 be Bob might know which would be Bob
1:05:14 that's exciting
1:05:19 Trish actually to that other caller the
1:05:22 other question about that those three
1:05:25 properties would it make sense for the
1:05:26 city for the district to actually
1:05:28 purchase that land with what money
1:05:31 mmm-hmm what district yeah
1:05:34 school districts purchased the land
1:05:38 purchase the land right next to the
1:05:40 baseball field and the football fuel
1:05:42 seems like that would be a which
1:05:46 direction are you going the bus furnace
1:05:49 know if you go down towards that little
1:05:53 at the southern boundary mark and you
1:05:57 would have to ask them they would have
1:05:58 to buy up all the little pieces or do
1:06:00 eminent domain on all the little pieces
1:06:02 you can go to school board meeting run
1:06:04 yeah all night no you check I'll sign
1:06:08 now they didn't do that it's a very
1:06:13 cheery it isn't it do you like that
1:06:18 doesn't it just get invigorating just do
1:06:20 it to a jeffers to me I'm not sure about
1:06:23 the palm trees yes but when you think of
1:06:32 Issaquah do you think of palm trees no
1:06:34 my backyard you will see palm trees
1:06:40 cozier down at the tables to do the
1:06:43 visioning I know you'd do visioning in
1:06:45 your sleep now but if you wanted to you
1:06:47 could do visioning down here or if you
1:06:49 wanted to stay up here you can also do
1:06:51 visioning up here depends we're supposed
1:06:53 to put you in a very comfortable
1:06:56 facilitating the sea you guys came you
1:06:58 got his cookies this is actually David's
1:07:03 part that I'm still experiencing I can
1:07:07 find here I think aren't we always
1:07:09 visioning yes we really are that's why I
1:07:11 wanted to be sure you guys got a shot at
1:07:13 the strategic plan so do you want us
1:07:15 just be cozy where you are do you want
1:07:17 to be cozy down in the other seats
1:07:18 that's fine it's fine give me your okay
1:07:21 up here do you go over just a little bit
1:07:24 about how the community has the
1:07:27 opportunity to do this I have tons of
1:07:30 information up here yeah okay yes I will
1:07:37 - so there's just gonna be all sorts of
1:07:39 excitement going on I think I sent you
1:07:42 all the email that opened that started
1:07:45 out the strategic plan
1:07:48 it's my question to my fellow counsel
1:07:51 Michener's is whether or not you've all
1:07:53 filled out the survey the survey well
1:07:57 there's still time there's still time
1:07:59 and what I'm supposed to read to you all
1:08:02 now is this structured exercise is an
1:08:05 opportunity for you to give input into
1:08:08 the vision and priorities you believe
1:08:10 the city should focus its resources on
1:08:12 achieving we will begin by describing
1:08:15 the strategic planning process and
1:08:18 afterwards we will move into questions
1:08:19 which will give you an opportunity to
1:08:22 provide your input on its akua's vision
1:08:25 for the future and its priorities I
1:08:28 didn't write this
1:08:30 but we were told that this is the
1:08:33 direction we're supposed to give you
1:08:35 ground rules I thought this was
1:08:38 important with this bunch treat everyone
1:08:41 respectfully do not interject or speak
1:08:44 over people Ron and AJ and the rest
1:08:47 let's peek over AJ others are speaking
1:08:53 no side conversations everyone's
1:08:57 comments are valued it is important to
1:09:00 hear from everyone Ron we're going to
1:09:06 merits please be mindful of the time we
1:09:08 have do not speak for extensive periods
1:09:11 of time can we all do that yes we can so
1:09:15 what what and why which sounds a little
1:09:18 bit like a wrinkle in time but it's not
1:09:20 exactly the reason we're doing this is
1:09:23 to have a shared vision for multiple
1:09:27 years that will engage as many people
1:09:30 who live work and play here as possible
1:09:32 to unite around a common set of goals
1:09:35 and priorities your participation will
1:09:37 help with this of course you guys are
1:09:39 all had at visioning and goals and
1:09:41 priorities so it was important to me to
1:09:42 make sure that we made the time to do
1:09:44 this what is a strategic plan
1:09:48 it's a document it's used to help us
1:09:51 with our priorities goals and actions
1:09:53 I'm hoping there's also a funding
1:09:55 mechanism so that when we have something
1:09:57 that we really want to do that the
1:09:59 strategic plan helps us to make sure
1:10:02 that the funding is available for the
1:10:04 hard-working plans that we've all put
1:10:06 together as you all talked about with
1:10:08 the streetscape plan I think that's a
1:10:11 big a big part of what the strategic
1:10:13 plan could be and why are we a part of
1:10:16 this is I think pretty obvious because
1:10:18 you guys live here you work here you are
1:10:21 part of it you've already volunteered a
1:10:23 lot of your time for it you know how
1:10:24 important these sorts of things are to
1:10:26 have outreach and there's also something
1:10:29 on the website that you can encourage
1:10:30 all of your neighbors and co-workers and
1:10:32 folks that you know to go on the website
1:10:35 and also do the surveys they also
1:10:37 there's a place this is called you are
1:10:39 participating in a meeting in a box and
1:10:41 there's information that LM your
1:10:44 homeowners association or your neighbors
1:10:46 or your book club or your Zumba class
1:10:48 you can get people together and do this
1:10:50 meeting in the box a very similar thing
1:10:52 and turn in all your results to the city
1:10:54 and that would be super great so this is
1:11:01 the graphic of where we're going the
1:11:03 first part is who we are and that's what
1:11:05 we're working on now and then this ends
1:11:08 I think in the middle of May we have to
1:11:10 have all our results in and then we work
1:11:13 on where we want to go and then we check
1:11:15 back in with the community to make sure
1:11:17 that they can't they captured what you
1:11:19 all were talking about and then at the
1:11:21 end is how we get there so those are the
1:11:23 three phases and I believe we're
1:11:26 supposed to be done with this by the end
1:11:27 of the year although I don't see
1:11:29 anything called out date wise but that's
1:11:31 always been my thought that we're
1:11:33 supposed to be done by the end of the
1:11:34 year so with that are you ready for the
1:11:37 first question
1:11:38 I need a scribe please
1:11:42 they decided not to be cozy in the table
1:11:48 before you start with these questions
1:11:53 how many people are you looking at to do
1:11:56 this we have 15,000 people in this that
1:12:00 we're going at 15,000 different answers
1:12:08 75% will say traffic is terrible I want
1:12:12 you to fix it
1:12:15 we've been trying to do that for I've
1:12:21 been on 17 years and we've been trying
1:12:23 to do it for 17 years we're trying
1:12:25 something new and you're gonna be able
1:12:28 to put that in one of the questions and
1:12:29 one of the answers is initiated by City
1:12:33 Council no the City Council but when
1:12:36 they get the results the City Council's
1:12:38 going to sit down and look at us well
1:12:39 it's not what we want
1:12:40 well they might do a meeting in the box
1:12:43 - are you suggesting that we we qualify
1:12:48 these questions by saying we understand
1:12:52 that traffic is a number-one concern
1:12:54 move on to a different type of you know
1:12:56 tell us something other than traffic
1:12:59 what we already know as the facilitator
1:13:01 I need you to stick to the protocol and
1:13:03 answer the questions even though you
1:13:04 guys are rock stars and this is old hat
1:13:06 for you I still need you to follow the
1:13:09 protocol we can't think of five
1:13:11 different questions to ask you can
1:13:13 certainly take the survey and write in
1:13:15 or you can give us more information
1:13:17 after we've done the five questions but
1:13:21 we can't completely change around the
1:13:24 meeting in the box we can't think
1:13:26 outside the box you can at the end you
1:13:29 have to do the five first though you
1:13:31 have to eat your vegetables first and
1:13:32 then you can go for dessert if you want
1:13:34 okay so the first one I want you all to
1:13:37 take a little moment and tell us what do
1:13:40 you personally value about is what you
1:13:43 guys start with Carl you gonna start
1:13:45 with Joan in the next question then I'm
1:13:48 gonna go the opposite way
1:13:50 yeah I valued that it's it's unique it's
1:13:55 different than any other city around
1:13:56 here and it offers a lot of
1:14:00 opportunities for making biking
1:14:04 environmental abilities to enjoy the
1:14:08 environment EQ of excellent first answer
1:14:20 dude oh these are hard questions hurt
1:14:26 and it's hard to put the answer in words
1:14:30 access to an over access to an abundant
1:14:35 access to abundant outdoor recreational
1:14:39 opportunities excellent
1:14:41 Lyndsey family-friendly safe community
1:14:53 excellent
1:14:54 try I've not let her catch up community
1:15:03 I didn't put that as just you know
1:15:07 describing Issaquah I believe the idea
1:15:10 yes yeah I agree with the community part
1:15:14 I would say it's a like small-town feel
1:15:19 but access to city you guys are good at
1:15:26 this I think I would also add in that
1:15:31 what I put on there is also is in
1:15:35 addition to and should rien ffice eyes
1:15:38 other things like access and outdoor
1:15:42 recreation things like that right all
1:15:47 right I think same I'm glad I went forth
1:15:50 because I like o accessed outdoor
1:15:52 recreation family-friendly community the
1:15:54 small I was gonna say oh it's almost
1:15:56 like smallness but like in a good sense
1:15:59 so that the city I feel like operates a
1:16:01 lot smaller than it actually is another
1:16:03 thing I'd add is affordability relative
1:16:06 to some of our okay neighbors nice
1:16:17 nothing to add I I digress I can say all
1:16:25 these nice things this reminds me a lot
1:16:27 of total quality management I remember
1:16:32 which was a failed experiment in my
1:16:35 opinion but I don't know what else to
1:16:39 add to this
1:16:39 it's a we moved here because we could
1:16:44 afford a house here when we moved it was
1:16:47 a good little community at all the
1:16:49 access to the Seattle but a small town
1:16:53 atmosphere I'm not sure if that exists
1:16:56 anymore because it's now too big with
1:17:00 traffic and everything else okay that
1:17:02 comes that you're good to start with the
1:17:04 next question
1:17:05 I think that's the next question so is
1:17:07 there anything on this list that anyone
1:17:09 disagrees with it sounds like everyone
1:17:12 likes all of them from what I heard I
1:17:14 would also add on there one of the
1:17:16 things that I like about Issaquah versus
1:17:19 other areas like Sammamish or North Bend
1:17:22 is that we're not just a bedroom
1:17:24 community that we have retail and nine
1:17:29 mercial which means that I can get a lot
1:17:33 more done in town yes exactly
1:17:37 not not a not just a bedroom community
1:17:39 yeah not just a bedroom community she
1:17:42 gets to add I want to add free canopy
1:17:46 views of tree canopy and views of the
1:17:49 Alps mountains okay
1:17:53 use of our mountains or helps the quad
1:17:57 and Lake Sammamish thanks Manish I was
1:18:02 gonna say generally the parks I think we
1:18:04 have an excellent set of parks and maybe
1:18:06 I'm biased because I'm up in the
1:18:08 highlands and yeah walk without tripping
1:18:11 over a park but I have a microphone i
1:18:38 think wes is gonna turn it on
1:18:43 if you speak into it does it make up hi
1:18:46 thank you thank you
1:18:48 Kenny's men I'm a resident of a co-op
1:18:52 and Talas and I I would echo all that it
1:18:55 seems to me like Issaquah has a unique
1:18:57 small-town charm
1:19:00 that's probably missing from a lot of
1:19:03 the communities in the Puget Sound and
1:19:06 special things that we have here are
1:19:09 worth going out of our way to protect
1:19:11 the Ithaca Alps Old Town all of the
1:19:15 salmon days and fenders on Front Street
1:19:18 and the activities there is something
1:19:20 very special about Issaquah and I I say
1:19:24 that after raising my family and living
1:19:27 in Bellevue for 25 years
1:19:31 don't make this Bellevue I see that
1:19:40 other cities have functions like salmon
1:19:43 days and stuff that our functions seem
1:19:46 to be more family-oriented close earnest
1:19:50 people know each other it's smaller it's
1:19:54 not broadcasting to the world it's it's
1:19:57 a clock it's less commercial yeah are
1:20:00 you ready for the next question home
1:20:02 ready for the next one
1:20:05 back to winter what aspirations do you
1:20:09 have for us ik wha in the next 15 to 20
1:20:12 years Earl you get to start it
1:20:26 and think of all the things we've hadn't
1:20:28 just just to cue you up the in the last
1:20:30 10 when the first old town was written
1:20:33 the old town plan we've gotten out of
1:20:35 the library we've got improvements to
1:20:37 the fish hatchery we've got confluence
1:20:39 park we've got the community center
1:20:42 where we moved the skateboard park to a
1:20:44 better location we've got the police
1:20:46 station and the City Hall we've done
1:20:49 tons of things just in 10 years and so
1:20:53 this is 10 to 15 what are things that
1:20:55 you you want us to have done it could be
1:21:00 the streetscape we just talked about it
1:21:02 could be sky's the limit
1:21:06 somehow controlling traffic right now
1:21:10 that's the biggest issue and it will be
1:21:13 that may be cross through traffic good
1:21:16 maybe I know I don't know rolling
1:21:23 traffic good fun it's an aspiration no
1:21:26 that's a good aspiration AJ what do you
1:21:30 have I'm trying to figure out a phrases
1:21:32 in a bullet that central a Sequoia is
1:21:35 has is successful smart growth so that
1:21:40 it's not only said that centrally that
1:21:42 has grown the way we went into but also
1:21:44 that it's it's a vibrant and it's grown
1:21:46 in a smart panel manner great Troy I
1:21:54 don't know I think
1:21:56 [Music]
1:22:03 I have a hard time not saying something
1:22:07 about traffic even though I I don't want
1:22:09 to but I think I think underlining
1:22:11 traffic is is the most important thing
1:22:13 that I mean it's already the thing that
1:22:16 has the potential to impact and make
1:22:17 people not want to come to it's a claw
1:22:19 on a daily basis and I think that if we
1:22:24 don't in and I in when I say that I mean
1:22:28 I think we if we don't engage with the
1:22:30 region because it's a regional traffic
1:22:32 issue and figure that out collectively
1:22:36 then the anisa quo will I think be
1:22:39 doomed in some ways so I'll say that but
1:22:41 then maybe I'll say this I am really
1:22:44 excited about the in all of the sort of
1:22:47 visioning and planning that we've been
1:22:49 the idea of having a lot more sort of
1:22:51 outdoor gathering spaces and kind of
1:22:52 connected walkways and just outdoor
1:22:54 sitting in not just standard parks but
1:22:59 sort of what's like the ideas around
1:23:04 mall Street and just having people meet
1:23:06 outside more in the rain but nonetheless
1:23:08 outside so it's more out it's more
1:23:10 outdoor gathering spaces for people
1:23:11 great
1:23:13 good answer Lindsay I've got two one
1:23:17 figuring out our public transportation
1:23:19 both inside the city and more
1:23:22 connectivity to other areas we've seen
1:23:27 that Seattle has gotten great use of
1:23:30 their public transport I'd like to see
1:23:32 us move forward in that and particularly
1:23:35 around our sound transit planning and
1:23:39 then the other aspiration I have is that
1:23:44 we get caught up on our school planning
1:23:47 and building because that to me is one
1:23:50 of those areas where if we continue to
1:23:54 have the congestion in schools that's
1:23:56 going to affect people wanting to move
1:23:59 here and house prices
1:24:03 things like that great really good Ron
1:24:09 let's see I'm gonna say no through
1:24:11 traffic what does that mean no help me
1:24:15 understand that one no through traffic
1:24:17 would be traffic going from the freeway
1:24:23 coming to and from the freeway to Maple
1:24:26 Valley black diamond Auburn Ken okay or
1:24:33 no through traffic that would normally
1:24:35 take 18 shouldn't take 80 okay not
1:24:42 really so much in the city but west
1:24:43 access to Tiger Mountain for mountain
1:24:45 bikes st3 okay and who achieved the a
1:24:55 world-class leaders status in pedestrian
1:24:58 bike mobility and public transit nice
1:25:03 big I like that one John wait we'll wait
1:25:07 for Kristin
1:25:08 you'll be pondering kind of following on
1:25:12 what what you said
1:25:18 aspirational I would like to see a new
1:25:21 road prevent or to take off that the
1:25:28 through traffic it's aspirational I want
1:25:32 a new road that came out here you're not
1:25:33 raised in the old question are over the
1:25:38 city I just you know this is
1:25:40 aspirational I don't know where it goes
1:25:42 but that's what I would like okay and
1:25:44 the second one would be that Issaquah
1:25:47 would be a world renowned destination
1:25:52 more recreational activities nice I
1:25:58 second that
1:25:59 what about the green necklace no one
1:26:01 mentioned completing the green necklace
1:26:03 is that something we want to have done
1:26:05 in 15-20 years oh nine to conjoin guy to
1:26:10 considered saying that so I think
1:26:12 not only I think if we're talking
1:26:14 aspirationally I think that we are known
1:26:16 for our green necklace the aspiration is
1:26:20 15 to 20 years from now I'm assuming the
1:26:22 green X looks it's gonna be done
1:26:26 definitely in 15 the early part how
1:26:29 about excellent and is there any enough
1:26:33 Oh keep going I'm sorry more
1:26:35 connectivity between north and south of
1:26:38 the 90 so whether that is accomplished
1:26:43 with a lid on the freeway or an
1:26:46 underpass or more walking paths yes flip
1:26:52 I know you have more aspirations on what
1:26:54 permit yes I like that I 94 permeable
1:26:59 north-south okay okay minimize a noise
1:27:11 from high 90 okay
1:27:17 I what something Joan said sparked an
1:27:19 idea in my head and I think I was
1:27:21 thinking about that this question
1:27:22 originally in a different way but from
1:27:25 an image standpoint I think if it's ago
1:27:27 I was known as the Gateway to the
1:27:29 Cascades I mean I think a lot of us
1:27:32 think of it that way that's why that's
1:27:33 why I moved here well it could have been
1:27:37 any mountain range but the fact that
1:27:38 it's Cascades is fine but if it were we
1:27:41 were known for that nice ken do you have
1:27:47 anything to add I think we need to
1:27:55 protect what makes it special while
1:27:58 managing the necessary growth so that we
1:28:01 get what we want out of the head of the
1:28:04 growth and I would also echo we need
1:28:08 more connectivity between the north and
1:28:11 south parts of the quad there's a huge
1:28:14 barrier there called Interstate 90 right
1:28:16 now super and is there anything up there
1:28:22 that anyone disagrees with it sounded
1:28:25 also like you all are in agreement with
1:28:26 what everybody said this is great you're
1:28:29 such a good group for this ready for the
1:28:30 next question
1:28:32 Kristin's ready no why are these things
1:28:38 important to you we're back to Jones
1:28:40 starting out because I want it all I
1:28:44 want easy access I want pretty trees and
1:28:48 parks I want the ability to hike and
1:28:53 bike so it's all of those things axon
1:29:01 that works Ron
1:29:09 the outdoor gateway and better
1:29:12 connectivity to the trails will improve
1:29:19 our will connect people to nature and
1:29:25 improve
1:29:33 quality of life and actor ends he will
1:29:37 improve our leisure lifestyle and hang
1:29:44 courage a better quality of life nice
1:29:47 well done are you doing that's okay
1:29:55 we can transfer here Lindsay are you
1:29:58 ready are you ready I'm gonna get crisp
1:30:00 in a moment okay because you can tell
1:30:02 where she is I can just see her a hand
1:30:04 go inside are not that close she know
1:30:06 you're doing fabulous okay so this is
1:30:18 important to me because I'm here for the
1:30:21 long haul and I want people who are
1:30:23 raising families here to be able to see
1:30:27 themselves as empty nesters here and
1:30:31 enjoying the community at the different
1:30:33 stages of their life nice nice as
1:30:37 different things are important to them
1:30:50 you're very determined look on your face
1:30:53 you have a very determined looking for
1:30:55 things okay Troy are you ready ready
1:31:02 yeah I think I mean I think quality of
1:31:06 life really sums it up well but what I
1:31:09 mean by that is you it's important to me
1:31:16 because I'd like to be able to engage
1:31:19 with Issaquah in lots of different ways
1:31:21 and like not have to just go somewhere
1:31:22 else for stuff you know like it's a it's
1:31:24 a really it's not big it's not a big
1:31:27 city but it has everything that so
1:31:29 anyway in shooting it's self-contained
1:31:31 yeah it can be self-contained so I think
1:31:33 that's important to maintain the
1:31:38 fullness of the city that it does all
1:31:41 things work load play
1:31:54 excellent I think for mine that
1:31:57 supported me because I want to be
1:31:57 welcoming to our neighbors who have not
1:31:59 yet moved here I point back to my number
1:32:03 one I want to I want to make sure this
1:32:04 is a city that you don't have to write
1:32:07 this all down Kristen but okay but I
1:32:11 make sure it's a city that is able to
1:32:13 absorb more people in a way that is
1:32:16 healthy and vibrant for the people that
1:32:19 are here and people that are coming Carl
1:32:31 quality of life I guess I repeat it
1:32:36 again okay I'm not sure how we
1:32:44 interconnect quality of life with more
1:32:48 people coming into town which is limited
1:32:50 in the capacity we already have a whole
1:32:54 variety of people in a town upset about
1:32:57 Gateway mass development I 90 that
1:33:03 certainly isn't very welcoming is the
1:33:07 people that may live there then when
1:33:11 they get on Newports way and try to
1:33:12 drive into town they're gonna be not
1:33:15 very happy
1:33:16 oh the whole idea that why is it
1:33:21 important all those things of partners
1:33:22 to quality of life the people living in
1:33:24 Israel mm-hmm
1:33:29 emphasizing quality of life as it
1:33:31 relates to traffic and can get
1:33:34 congestion I want people to be able to
1:33:37 get home quicker and I want your people
1:33:42 to be idling in town contributing to add
1:33:49 air quality and so I think those are two
1:33:52 things why the traffic mitigation is
1:33:55 important to me
1:34:03 can did you have something to add yes I
1:34:10 I see it as a quality of life issue and
1:34:15 I think the goal of this is to maintain
1:34:18 and improve the quality of life of
1:34:21 living in Issaquah and conversely I have
1:34:25 every expectation that if we don't try
1:34:28 and do that we're all going to be
1:34:30 disappointed as growth goes unmanaged
1:34:32 and and will probably ruin a good thing
1:34:36 that we have here so it's worth fighting
1:34:42 anything up there that anyone disagrees
1:34:44 with okay so you ready for the next
1:34:47 question Carl it's good we're starting
1:34:54 with you on this one what are the
1:34:55 challenges we face in reaching these
1:34:57 aspirations you got some challenges for
1:35:00 us what are the challenges
1:35:10 to many people moving into the area got
1:35:15 enough money to get the things done that
1:35:16 we want to do when we want to do them as
1:35:22 we've said many times you can't build
1:35:26 enough roads to solve traffic so you got
1:35:29 to figure out other ways to do it that's
1:35:33 good three of them right there a good
1:35:35 trifecta right there it's good reiterate
1:35:38 I'm saying them a different way
1:35:41 you can't build enough roads to do the
1:35:43 to fix the congestion thank you
1:35:48 it's all oh so they have to figure out
1:35:51 our eatery but rephrase all three of
1:35:54 those I think for the first one it's not
1:35:57 those too many people it's a way of
1:35:58 congestion fishing our roads suggestion
1:36:02 our buses if congestion in our schools
1:36:05 so they're all solvable problems they
1:36:10 just require a significant investment in
1:36:12 infrastructure to solve them
1:36:14 it's indicates that the second one is
1:36:16 making sure we have the financial
1:36:17 resources and I think also the speed at
1:36:21 which I think are two separate problems
1:36:22 to put in the public infrastructure to
1:36:26 absorb the growth that we have so yeah
1:36:32 so I think for Kristen yeah so it's
1:36:33 people they have that the the time the
1:36:35 time and money to build out public
1:36:38 infrastructure to absorb the growth and
1:36:42 that's Roads transit parks schools are
1:36:47 keen a lot of different things there and
1:36:51 I think the last one I
1:36:54 I think I'll put it a good way it's just
1:36:56 the geometric limits of the city the way
1:36:59 the way they were tightly bound the Alps
1:37:02 and then and then particularly the quoi
1:37:05 Hobart Road bottleneck it's very much a
1:37:09 unique is it is a very unique challenge
1:37:11 that faces us I think I would call out
1:37:18 Issaquah Hobart as a standalone ok I
1:37:22 think that fact that that's outside the
1:37:26 city and the traffic a lot of the
1:37:28 traffic on that road is a regional issue
1:37:29 but it's the road that would be
1:37:31 incredibly difficult to widen I think
1:37:33 it's a very unique challenge that faces
1:37:34 us I just say maybe add a layer to the I
1:37:46 think it's funding early but what I
1:37:48 really think it is is the main challenge
1:37:51 is how just how long it takes to do
1:37:53 anything right so and mostly that's
1:37:57 because of funding cycles and how long
1:37:59 it takes to raise money to do certain
1:38:00 things but you know the whole st3 thing
1:38:03 is a great example where you know we're
1:38:06 gonna be building 1970s technology in 20
1:38:09 20 25 or whatever did 2040 2040 1 and
1:38:12 then I mean tonight we were talking
1:38:15 about just doing streetscape
1:38:16 improvements and pushing him out past
1:38:17 six years so it just takes so long to do
1:38:21 everything and then we just never yeah
1:38:23 we got we fell behind 20 years ago and
1:38:25 we just said we're never gonna catch up
1:38:27 so I think that's we just don't have
1:38:29 time and we don't have a time machine
1:38:34 not yet
1:38:37 I think well I think the extent of that
1:38:41 it's not only that we have so much to do
1:38:44 is that we're already behind and
1:38:46 somebody that's some of the issues and
1:38:50 they already behind can apply to schools
1:38:53 they can reply to traffic oops yeah so
1:38:58 I'm gonna take a slightly different
1:39:01 approach to this and be a little bit
1:39:04 more specific I believe one of our
1:39:08 funding problems is that the current
1:39:11 council and administration is too strict
1:39:19 and controlling with the budget that
1:39:21 they already have I believe that we have
1:39:23 some funding that can be used toward
1:39:26 things and they're hesitant to make a
1:39:30 move either with their funding or with
1:39:32 their decision making I think the
1:39:36 current council likes to plan and likes
1:39:42 to discuss without necessarily moving
1:39:47 forward on important decisions and at a
1:39:51 certain point we are going to face big
1:39:54 issues from being hesitant
1:40:01 and so that to me is one very strong
1:40:05 [Music]
1:40:07 challenge that we face the other
1:40:10 challenge I would put out there is that
1:40:13 even though we're trying to create a
1:40:16 plan we either don't have a lot of
1:40:19 public engagement or we have lost some
1:40:21 of the public trust to believe that
1:40:27 we're going to be able to act and so I
1:40:33 think right now you're they're asking
1:40:35 for public engagement and I'm not sure
1:40:39 the public necessarily wants to engage
1:40:51 right
1:40:53 ah first step City Council needs to
1:40:57 approve the funding of the DMO DMO the
1:41:05 destination marketing organization
1:41:09 washed-out funding of 18 and under john
1:41:17 desire also like to I would like to put
1:41:19 a threat and that is a temptation to
1:41:23 leverage easy money that that's a threat
1:41:28 that would be a threat because we can
1:41:30 over leverage okay I just want to
1:41:32 understand what you were saying and I
1:41:36 with interest rates I think that could
1:41:38 be possibility people say oh great let's
1:41:41 go ahead and do these great things and
1:41:43 we're going to leverage debt instead of
1:41:45 raising taxes or something that sort and
1:41:47 then we have any economic downturn and
1:41:51 pay the debt and we crash our credit
1:41:54 score then we end up paying higher
1:41:56 interest rates and everything else ours
1:41:58 fall apart okay Joan so I agree with all
1:42:03 that I have a hard time with reinventing
1:42:10 things that have already been decided on
1:42:13 before they're actually done which is I
1:42:16 mean it's been called out before but
1:42:20 that I think that's my my biggest
1:42:23 problem is it's not following up just
1:42:28 spending too much time thinking about
1:42:31 thinking about the little things if it's
1:42:34 about instead of it if for its the
1:42:38 concept that has to be accomplished not
1:42:42 just how it's written
1:42:53 can do you have anything yes
1:43:05 yes three things that I see as
1:43:09 challenges to unmanage growth
1:43:12 development doesn't pay its own way for
1:43:14 the infrastructure and our little
1:43:20 ability to address the regional cut
1:43:22 through traffic problem that will only
1:43:24 get worse over time as South King County
1:43:27 gets developed
1:43:28 I would say the last bullet point there
1:43:35 is really that it's a regional issue
1:43:41 it's an issue that we can't solve
1:43:44 directly internally yeah we need to work
1:43:48 with the other cities anything up there
1:43:54 that you don't agree with add one more
1:43:58 thing okay I think we're scared to go
1:44:03 bold and think outside the box
1:44:08 her point we needle things and to John's
1:44:12 point we needle things to death we don't
1:44:15 take the leap of faith and go bold if we
1:44:18 don't go bold and we'll be just like
1:44:20 everyone else I think we get set in our
1:44:23 ways of how things are done and we we
1:44:28 don't think out of the box we think that
1:44:31 it always has to be done a certain way
1:44:33 and we need to stop doing that because
1:44:37 we'll always get what we have now not
1:44:40 what we actually want Lindsey did you
1:44:45 have another one I disagree with Ron's
1:44:49 idea that we have a temp that eight
1:44:52 challenges the the temptation to
1:44:54 leverage easy money which could hurt our
1:44:59 bond rating we have a triple-a bond
1:45:01 rating we have been very conservative
1:45:04 as a city in making sure that we have we
1:45:08 we keep our money without spending it I
1:45:11 don't think that's it
1:45:13 I don't think it challenges that we are
1:45:17 necessarily going to over leverage
1:45:19 ourselves I think the challenge is that
1:45:21 we don't leverage what we have you can
1:45:27 we can you can under leverage so yeah I
1:45:30 think that's I think that'd be up
1:45:31 something that we would disagree on
1:45:33 well I'm referring to overload I know
1:45:36 and I think Lindsay and I are saying we
1:45:38 think the city is under leverage given
1:45:40 where it is in its growth cycle wouldn't
1:45:42 it yeah no I wouldn't want to see us Oh
1:45:46 like get over leverage but I don't think
1:45:50 that is a challenge that we face in
1:45:54 reaching those aspirations okay so are
1:45:59 we ready for the last one what changes
1:46:04 are needed so this is phrasing a
1:46:06 different way what changes are needed to
1:46:08 reach these aspirations so we can look
1:46:12 at each one of the changes the
1:46:14 challenges and think about how we can
1:46:20 change it to make it better to make it
1:46:25 in our favor
1:46:31 you need to change the process
1:46:38 and by the process you mean like
1:46:40 decision-making or funding what it takes
1:46:44 to environmental study away the
1:46:48 environmental studies but making it
1:46:50 faster so the projects don't cost as
1:46:54 much mm-hmm and can be done faster okay
1:47:01 on your own okay so - we need
1:47:08 infrastructure to support non vehicle
1:47:11 mobility options improve personal safety
1:47:17 I can repeat that you didn't structure
1:47:22 to support non vehicle mobility options
1:47:25 and improve personal safety okay and
1:47:29 tighter enforcement of our tree canopy
1:47:32 regulations personal safety where
1:47:39 personal safety for pedestrians and
1:47:42 bicyclists okay so the same related to
1:47:45 the same comment okay that's a leading
1:47:48 fear the white people don't want bike in
1:47:50 town it's because they feel like they're
1:47:52 gonna get hit by a car right Lindsay he
1:47:57 had a second oh yeah another one oh yeah
1:47:58 tighter enforcement of our tree canopy
1:48:01 Stanners okay
1:48:17 so I think the idea we proposed in the
1:48:19 last one of not being willing to make
1:48:23 bold moves I think we need to consider
1:48:25 bold mousse so what changes we need to
1:48:30 be able to make decisions and make bold
1:48:33 decisions similarly we need to
1:48:40 substantially increase communication and
1:48:45 the way that the public interacts with
1:48:51 the city either staff or council or
1:48:55 Middies so that it isn't all about the
1:49:01 public coming to the council
1:49:04 we need the council and the decision
1:49:07 makers go to the public along those
1:49:11 lines we need communication between the
1:49:15 city and the school district and the
1:49:20 city and business owners
1:49:39 no you're doing your hand getting tired
1:49:42 yet yeah I said something about you can
1:49:48 either photograph that or retype it out
1:49:51 into their form I'm just sending them I
1:49:54 think okay Troy so I have a tactical one
1:50:00 that we have no control over but I think
1:50:02 it would be a huge benefit and that is
1:50:04 just to completely rethink the way that
1:50:07 we fund transportation and really what I
1:50:10 mean by that is you know I live just
1:50:13 south of town and I don't pay I'm not
1:50:15 paying for st3 like I don't I don't I
1:50:17 come and use the park and ride I'm sorry
1:50:19 I parked for free every day and I ride
1:50:21 the bus in and not my car tabs like I
1:50:23 don't I didn't vote on it because I'm
1:50:25 outside of the regional transit area so
1:50:29 which is in that means so is everybody
1:50:31 in black diamond and everybody else
1:50:32 south I mean we all drive in and park
1:50:35 for free at the parking right and I love
1:50:36 it but I think it's comical that I don't
1:50:38 really pay for that service so just and
1:50:40 that's not anything that the city of
1:50:42 Issaquah can do but it's um just we need
1:50:45 to where I think we're running on a an
1:50:47 old funding model for our transportation
1:50:49 and people are living in just totally
1:50:51 different places than they used to and
1:50:53 so completely expanding the reach of who
1:50:56 pays for a regional public
1:50:59 transportation I think is important and
1:51:02 roadways for that matter too but I
1:51:03 really like to see that go to public
1:51:05 transportation and then when I think in
1:51:09 terms of I think we do a really good job
1:51:12 this kind of gets to it wouldn't in do
1:51:15 the same but I think we do a really good
1:51:16 job of like fostering a sense of
1:51:18 community in Issaquah around like you
1:51:20 know our festivals of salmon days and
1:51:22 you know that has an inner even the
1:51:24 farmers market I think it has a much
1:51:25 more community feel than if you go
1:51:27 somewhere else to another festival as
1:51:28 somebody else was saying but if we could
1:51:30 somehow take that same spirit of
1:51:35 community and build it into all the sub
1:51:38 stuff all this other stuff that we do
1:51:39 all of our strategic planning and our
1:51:41 visioning and because I think that
1:51:44 people
1:51:45 that's the one that's one of the reasons
1:51:47 why people love living in Issaquah and
1:51:48 coming to a soak law but somehow there's
1:51:51 there is a disconnect between like that
1:51:53 sense of community which is really
1:51:54 interesting and then a gap in people's
1:52:00 willingness to engage in where the city
1:52:03 is gonna go you know if people people
1:52:05 can step back and complain about that
1:52:07 building doesn't look the way I want it
1:52:08 to look or whatever but there it's
1:52:10 harder to get them to engage so finding
1:52:12 creative ways to get them to engage and
1:52:13 whereas the city gonna be in 20 years
1:52:15 would be that's with that not expecting
1:52:19 citizens to engage in the same way as
1:52:22 that they haven't been but coming up
1:52:24 with a different plan for that
1:52:31 think I'll echo two points one I think
1:52:34 city and public school coordination can
1:52:36 be better have to be frustrated with a
1:52:41 lot of the school conversations if
1:52:43 they're council the two relevant
1:52:45 relevant councils aren't on the same
1:52:47 page and then funding I think
1:52:50 identifying permanent permanent sources
1:52:53 of funding is important order that
1:52:56 permanent dedicated sources of funding
1:52:58 whether it be lids or the transportation
1:53:01 levy that failed things like that I
1:53:03 think are critical to build out the
1:53:07 infrastructure we need I think the last
1:53:09 one is a city leadership on regional
1:53:13 traffic issues I think the mayor is also
1:53:18 city staff but really the mayor really
1:53:20 needs to drive the conversation at the
1:53:24 county level and at the state level
1:53:25 they'll improve our regional traffic
1:53:28 issues it's not something the city can
1:53:30 fix but it's something that the mayor
1:53:32 can get County Council to fix look at
1:53:35 something that wash dot effects via
1:53:37 engagement with the relevant legislators
1:53:39 I think it's something that the mayor
1:53:41 and city staff need to figure out how to
1:53:43 how to play that game better
1:53:50 what France
1:53:55 we were done a side conversation sorry
1:53:57 about that that that's against the rules
1:54:06 anything else from AJ no I I disagree
1:54:15 with Lindsay and the communication one
1:54:17 but I don't I don't have anything
1:54:18 specific to say but I feel like the
1:54:21 volume of communication from the city is
1:54:23 adequate I know I don't feel as the
1:54:28 volume coming from the city to the
1:54:32 citizens is adequate yeah my problem is
1:54:34 that the citizens aren't talking to the
1:54:38 community where the citizens aren't
1:54:41 talking to the city not necessarily I do
1:54:44 agree I think the city does a good job
1:54:46 communicating outward the N word but
1:54:49 they don't provide ample opportunities
1:54:52 for citizens to engage with them because
1:54:57 they expect it all to happen in this
1:54:59 council chamber and if you look at our
1:55:03 audience right now hundreds of people
1:55:08 are sitting here we are on TV so Carl
1:55:13 what you got it's very simple we need to
1:55:20 increase time and find an unlimited
1:55:24 budget okay that would solve all the
1:55:27 problems because we had unlimited budget
1:55:31 we'd have to be able to pay more for
1:55:32 staff to do the work if we had more time
1:55:36 that would solve all the problems with
1:55:39 planning and communication stuff like
1:55:41 that I don't know how you do that I
1:55:44 think back I've been waiting for maybe
1:55:49 15 years to see that intersection at
1:55:51 Providence point completed right to have
1:55:54 a traffic light actually we had it on
1:55:58 the tip for at least 15 years
1:56:01 doesn't seem to get any higher on the
1:56:03 list this sort of sits there a pile of
1:56:06 money 20 years down no it's almost 20
1:56:10 years it's still not done and I don't
1:56:12 know how you can do that unless you have
1:56:13 unlimited funds they have to increase
1:56:16 funding I don't know how you do that
1:56:20 well it would solve all our problems if
1:56:22 we found that pot of gold at the end of
1:56:25 the rainbow okay one way I'm getting
1:56:28 extra funding is for the city to work
1:56:32 with the legislature to settle the condo
1:56:37 issue so that we have condos here in
1:56:41 Issaquah with people who are paying
1:56:43 property tax
1:56:49 and I'd like to I think add to Carl's
1:56:53 point the city needs to look at its
1:56:55 levels of staffing and possibly hire
1:56:59 more people to help Trish I would third
1:57:04 that I think right now in many cases we
1:57:07 are understaffed and that causes a
1:57:10 problem and being able to get to not
1:57:13 only our aspirational goals but just
1:57:17 meet any kind of a level of service now
1:57:21 we need to move faster and have better
1:57:23 follow-through yeah and I think I
1:57:26 believe City Council was supposed to
1:57:28 look at hiring and kind of do a survey
1:57:32 of why we're having problems hiring or
1:57:35 maintaining staff along those lines I
1:57:40 know we have just hired some people
1:57:45 right some people but ours decided not
1:57:48 to come yeah oh yeah again so we need to
1:57:55 have this is the first one we've lost
1:57:57 yeah we need to have a survey or some
1:57:59 kind of question that's coming up why
1:58:01 somebody's bailing out at that point or
1:58:05 is it money yeah we all call them yeah
1:58:11 understand and Ken did you have one for
1:58:14 this last one I have several changes
1:58:19 that are needed we've got and some of
1:58:24 these are repeats we've got to work
1:58:26 outside the city on the regional traffic
1:58:30 problem and unfortunately that sounds
1:58:32 like a platitude that we hear all the
1:58:34 time we got to get serious we got to be
1:58:37 the squeaky wheel and as others have
1:58:38 said it's not just having a little
1:58:41 powwow with a couple of cities down
1:58:43 south and saying that was a good job I
1:58:46 mean we got to work not only with the
1:58:48 county but the state because the
1:58:49 solution is really the state roads it's
1:58:51 it's a state road 18 is probably our
1:58:55 most realistic solution
1:58:58 higher development fees I'll submit to
1:59:00 you the Providence point problem was
1:59:02 caused by development if we had asked
1:59:05 them when they developed to design an
1:59:08 intersection correctly we wouldn't have
1:59:10 to fix it with taxpayer money so war
1:59:14 fees and more stringent oversight
1:59:17 stricter zoning update you use coop
1:59:21 Municipal Code to reflect the
1:59:23 comprehensive plan vision nine second
1:59:28 that one more post-mortem sorry update
1:59:39 the Issaquah Municipal Code to reflect
1:59:42 the comprehensive plan vision
1:59:52 more post-mortems on the projects that
1:59:54 don't go well that was gateway how did
2:00:00 that happen
2:00:01 how do we not make it happen again I
2:00:05 guess I would leave with the thought
2:00:08 that you know we really are in the
2:00:11 driver's seat here in Issaquah this is
2:00:13 where people developers want to develop
2:00:16 it give their right arms to be able to
2:00:18 develop in Issaquah you have no you know
2:00:22 loss of interest here so when you have a
2:00:27 leverage you ought to get what you want
2:00:30 you shouldn't just concede for mediocre
2:00:35 you ought to expect the highest
2:00:38 standards and the things that we all
2:00:41 want as residents also said don't
2:00:46 concede I like that idea so is there
2:00:51 anything up there that anyone disagrees
2:00:53 with I'd like to add the more she's done
2:00:59 to his point tougher negotiation stance
2:01:02 with developers
2:01:10 now you're making faces
2:01:13 really are dropping letters aren't you
2:01:17 worried though I try that guy there's
2:01:20 there's no way to see what they look
2:01:22 like because I can't see them okay so
2:01:26 are we done with the five thank you
2:01:30 there's one more thing if you would like
2:01:34 to do an anonymous survey I put it in
2:01:36 your packet so you would have a fair
2:01:39 warning it's just for demographics and
2:01:41 then I will secretly put them in this
2:01:43 envelope so I won't know any of your
2:01:44 answers if you would like to do that
2:01:46 also there's the city website has more
2:01:49 information about this process and if
2:01:52 you want to be in I did I went ahead and
2:01:57 put your own your names on the signup
2:01:59 sheet but I didn't put anyone who's
2:02:00 emails on if you want to stay tuned to
2:02:03 this process you probably will be anyway
2:02:06 just because I always send you stuff you
2:02:07 probably have me on that your spam
2:02:09 filter but I just always send you things
2:02:11 that I think you ought you ought to know
2:02:13 about because you guys are so good um
2:02:14 but you're welcome to put your email
2:02:16 address on here if you would like to
2:02:18 stay tuned other than that is there
2:02:20 anything else anybody wants to add to
2:02:23 what neighborhood do I live in
2:02:27 on my Newports way but all the way to
2:02:30 Lake month then Newport yeah that's not
2:02:37 think their questions on here that
2:02:40 shouldn't be answered in small groups
2:02:49 that means I'm not anonymous what kind
2:03:02 of time frame are you looking on this
2:03:04 exercise
2:03:05 [Music]
2:03:08 how long may 8th or 9th beginning of
2:03:26 something like that yes that's why I get
2:03:37 okay so I got everybody's into my secret
2:03:39 spot thank you all very much and I think
2:03:42 we're done
2:03:43 well I say on the agenda there's time
2:03:48 for audience comments but I'm assuming
2:03:50 that the audience has already commented
2:03:52 oh no no this has been what I've been
2:03:56 waiting for okay my opportunity my five
2:04:01 minutes of glory thank you I'm going to
2:04:04 come out to my will yes okay
2:04:18 Kenny's been resident of Talas and it's
2:04:23 a quoi so thank you for being so kind as
2:04:27 to let me participate in that last
2:04:29 exercise that was interesting and
2:04:33 entertaining thank you so I was quite
2:04:38 interested in earlier parts of the
2:04:40 meeting where you talked about viewsheds
2:04:41 and you talked about the use of squawk
2:04:44 and Tiger and you probably meant to say
2:04:47 cougar as well that would be all of our
2:04:50 scalps so I'd like to make some comments
2:04:53 tonight on the comprehensive plan and
2:04:55 the development of the Bergsma parcel
2:04:58 for those that don't know where that is
2:05:01 that's on Northeast Cougar Mountain
2:05:03 Newport Way and pretty close to State
2:05:06 Route nine hundred forty some odd acres
2:05:10 up on the steep slopes going through
2:05:13 permitting right now you see the same
2:05:18 Cougar Mountain signs all around that's
2:05:20 what that's all about
2:05:21 that's about 700 Issaquah residents and
2:05:25 growing who have signed a petition that
2:05:27 says that we're not interested in that
2:05:30 being developed like the city to buy
2:05:33 that land so developing bird snow will
2:05:37 clear-cut 21 acres of that 40 acres
2:05:40 mature forest going to bulldoze the land
2:05:43 reshape it into flat areas huge
2:05:45 retaining walls and a road that will go
2:05:50 from Newport way all the way to the top
2:05:52 of that hill cut through those steep
2:05:53 slopes put a huge scar on Northeast
2:05:57 Cougar Mountain our gateway in Issaquah
2:05:59 you look at the scar over in the Aqua
2:06:02 Highlands that's what you're going to
2:06:03 see on Cougar and these slopes are
2:06:07 steeper than the hill slide parcel and
2:06:10 talus which is right around the corner
2:06:15 so the comprehensive plan says that in
2:06:18 the land use vision on page eye 5 as
2:06:23 part of our fundamental value and
2:06:25 identity of forested character tree
2:06:28 cutting will be minimized outside
2:06:30 central Issaquah through stronger
2:06:33 protection of the forested hillsides
2:06:35 protection of our remaining forested
2:06:37 hillsides in tree canopy enhancement on
2:06:40 developed hillsides will ensure that the
2:06:43 escapes will provide forested transition
2:06:46 from adjacent natural areas outside
2:06:49 their urban growth boundary and if
2:06:51 that's not Bergsma i don't know what is
2:06:54 so the comprehensive plan is lengthy
2:06:56 it's over 200 pages there's policies and
2:06:59 goals that support that vision I can
2:07:03 quote all kinds of sections in there and
2:07:06 I'm sure you all know that comprehensive
2:07:08 plan because I believe you wrote it and
2:07:14 I'm sure you've worked hard on it but it
2:07:17 appears as though it's nothing more than
2:07:19 an aspirational document because it has
2:07:22 no teeth so my rhetorical question to
2:07:26 you is if the comprehensive plan says
2:07:28 that we're going to protect these
2:07:30 forested hillsides why is the city
2:07:31 working with the parcel owner to develop
2:07:33 bergson why is it allowed why does it
2:07:38 take hundreds of residents on safe with
2:07:42 SAV Cougar Mountain signs signing
2:07:43 petitions to save that parcel from
2:07:45 development so that's a rhetorical
2:07:48 question when you ask city staff while
2:07:49 they're working on permitting they'll
2:07:52 tell you that the comprehensive plan
2:07:54 isn't what they use they use it's a
2:07:55 qualm municipal code and there's nothing
2:07:58 in that code that says you can't
2:07:59 bulldoze that hillside put huge scars on
2:08:02 it build on steep slopes and put huge
2:08:04 retaining walls up there which is why
2:08:07 they're working with them on it and I
2:08:09 have every confidence that if city staff
2:08:12 had the tools in the Municipal Code that
2:08:15 said that wasn't allowed they wouldn't
2:08:19 be working on it so that's my challenge
2:08:21 to you and my real question is when will
2:08:25 this commission start to work too
2:08:27 translate that municipal I'm sorry the
2:08:30 comprehensive plan into real teeth into
2:08:33 the Issaquah Municipal Code so thank you
2:08:36 for your time now I know what those
2:08:42 signs are for 840 excellent thank you
2:09:07 thank you and we'll be working on a
2:09:11 forum for a tense
2:09:13 sounds like mate f is a tricky day