good evening and welcome to the January
25th meeting of the Planning Policy
Commission welcome all of you as you can
see we're back to our roundtable and we
have some additions to the Planning
Policy Commission you can tell the
members of the planning policy because
we actually have nametags in front of us
but there are a few people around this
table that have been supported of us for
a while and so I'd like to just have
them say your name so that the rest of
the planning policy people know who you
are you don't have to go explain
anything it's just you know tell us your
name so we know how to interface with
you
well I'm Mel Morgan I serve on the
development Commission and I was on the
central area task force as well and I'm
Kerry McGill with Raleigh properties and
I'm Kathy McCrory I'm the executive
director of the Chamber of Commerce
welcome and well tonight we're going to
we have a lot of different things that
we're going to talk about tonight
the first one I was just going to tell
us about a possible change to the one of
the I areas on the comprehensive plan
that is being changed or proposed to
myself and I'm Jewish why don't you just
going right now it's just a quick update
um we have a new mayor and the new mayor
was very interested in the comp plan
docket so she asked to see it she loved
what you did with it she loved the ones
that you added and she wanted to add two
more and she wanted us to let you know
that she added two more so you would
know that she was very supportive of the
docket you put together but she was
pretty excited
to add two more and so these are the two
one of them was there are a couple of
policies about st3 Sound Transit three
that she wanted us to she called it
strategic tactical revision part of it
was about the the spur and part of it
was about the maintenance yard the other
one was to expand on the policy on
number five which was the building on
slopes she wanted to prioritize
acquisition of forested hillsides and
lands that connect enhance connections
to public lands so she was hopeful that
you would be supportive of adding those
to the ones that you added and these
will all get reviewed at land and shore
on February 8th okay that's all for me
so exactly what are they those are the
two those would be now docket items okay
so it will be it'd be a total waste of
confident amendments so I think there
you had 16 and this would be 17 and 18
okay so yeah it's gonna be a big year
does anybody have a problem with that
questions okay okay so now I think Jen
cuz you want to save the minutes for
later or what you want to save the
minutes because we couldn't do minutes
last night or do you want to do this
later
they helped and he's telling me to do
the minutes the minutes weren't in their
packet so I'm not sure okay because
their eyes yes we should do over all
them into the next packet that we do cuz
I think we have some meetings coming
next time we'll have four minutes to
approve okay unless everybody is up to
date on all the minutes have you read
them all you go back to what January
10th and 11th
safe injection sites and one the next
one was on visions is everybody
everybody read them I reviewed them for
last night's meeting you yes no you
haven't read them so I don't have a
choice but to wait till okay I'll attach
them to the next agenda so then there
before okay okay with that so not on the
agenda but we're gonna take an
opportunity to very do a very brief
introduction for Jeff Watling so Jeff
Watling is the city's Park director and
Jeff's gonna come up and just say a
couple words about the next planning
policy Commission meeting where we're
gonna actually not the next one that's
small-cell the next one after that which
is the green necklace green network
green something stuff all right welcome
thank you anxious to to create this
green network okay good
so are we so yeah Thank You Keith Jeff
Watling Parks Recreation Director with
Issaquah as you've been hard at work
doing your stuff and in important work
we've been working with the park board
on the park strategic plan been working
with development services and planning
staff around how do we start to mesh
these two important documents and in
plans we have been working with a
consultant burger partnership or a
landscape architect firm that's been
doing some terrific work really at its
heart looking at our existing park
system and how do we begin to create a
system-wide really vision for that
system how do we begin to connect it
better connect it in recent weeks as
we've been talking with planning staff
and hearing some of the work that you're
doing here in the coming month
we we feel there's an opportunity to do
some collaborative work as we're
beginning to wrap up this two-part plan
and so what we have proposed and we
would love to do is on February 8th
we're working on the scope right now
with our landscape architect but have
Burger partnership come invite the park
board to come I understand the original
task force members have been part of
this group and all of you and and the
work that you've done and let's let's do
a Charette exercise if you're familiar
with charettes very engaging very active
very interactive a lot of map work and
let's spend that meeting and perhaps
another meeting in February and really
put the collective heads together of all
the great work that you've done and I
think what we'll produce I'm quite
confident what we'll produce is a more
defined vision of the necklace and how
that incorporates into the public system
meets the goals within the central
Etsuko of visions and the product will
get will then help to a and form the
Parc strategic plan we take that that
outcome that product and we have that
right into the park strategic plan and
it would be an outcome that we would
hope really becomes an important element
of the central of all visions work in
terms of that necklace piece and then I
think another real positive outcome in
there is this work then becomes that
bridge between the park strategic plan
and the central Issaquah visions work
and we end up with a meshed and
coordinated product so before the
meeting on the 8th will we be able to
get any information of what what you're
planning so that we come into the
meeting with some knowledge of what's
going on and how we can work great
question so yes absolutely we want to
as we're working with a consultant
framing what that evening looks like
hopefully prepare you with a series of
questions a series of sort of what that
evening is going to look like what we're
going to start with in terms of mapping
so yeah we have for our reading so I
want you to be prepared Jeff are you
going to bring in information or I
assume the information from what the
online survey for the whole how would
you spend your money on parks is that
included in your parks plan and what
we're gonna see and help me understand
the quest that was an online survey to
the community
I assume that's closed and are we
looking at any of that information or
has that already been digested by the
parks board and what we're seeing is the
results somewhat digested I think what
we plan on starting with some of the
starting information is one of the
products will be a map and a map of the
park plan that identifies strategic
projects and those strategic projects
were directly informed by that public
outreach and that public feedback
if that's none of them were informed by
the public feedback so they were all in
full hey I was gonna say okay good or
evil siren yes maybe modified my word
yes yeah yeah okay fantastic thanks
thank you looking forward okay thank you
that's - okay neck next up on our
meeting is the economic development
director Jen and yes I got a motion I
love it don't talk II as an oriented
development project that the city is
working on hi so my name is Jenna Davis
Hayes I am the economic development
manager here at the city and I also have
two of our two of our development from
our development team Hal Faris who is
with spectrum development group
solutions and Dan I was at Watson Dan
Landis from Kent County Housing
Authority so we're really excited to be
here to talk to you about the the Tod
the transit oriented development
projects which we've been working on for
a while and upfront there's a lot of
pieces moving pieces and complexity and
so we tried to outline try to try to
outline kind of the the pieces that are
the most important and show you a little
about the process this has been a
project that's been going on since 2016
and will continue to go on as far as
decision making through that this year
next so this is by no means complete
there are opportunities for input and
other some it's not a fixed this is
exactly how it's going to be so so
tonight really we just want to talk
about the project process overview and
then talk about next steps so first why
why are we doing this so the economic
vitality commission helped us with one
of the council goals they had to look at
what would be an anchor project for the
central Issaquah area so as you know the
central plan was adopted about almost
six years ago and
we hadn't seen the type of development
that we had envisioned immediately and
one of the things that counsel asked us
to look at is what could we do that
could actually kind of help to spur
development or represent the development
that we want to see in central us across
so we did as Ankur project report and
there were four things are identified
one of them was looking at creating a
transit oriented development site next
to the quadrants that are down on the
valley floor as you may know that site
is currently occupied by CenturyLink and
they use it basically as a place to park
their work vehicles or their personal
vehicles during the day and dispatch
trucks out of there in a small office
space so obviously in our urban core you
want to see something right next to this
Transit Center that offers more
opportunities for the pedestrian
friendly Urban's lifestyle the
public-private partnership is something
that's important for us so making sure
that we as a city partner with experts
in the field to get a project done
as you know affordable housing was not
happening in the Senate it's not
happening in central school area this is
something that also is important for as
part of the development moratorium and
then vertical mix used aspects of
development wasn't happening one of the
things we also looked at is wanting to
expand human services and so I'll
explain how that loops in here but the
city did a community needs assessment
and obviously showed that there are some
opportunities and some gaps of services
and this project we hope will better
connect folks to the area amenity so the
people who are gonna be living there
we're going to have a better connection
in that area to the Transit Center and
Tibbets Valley Park so it hits a lot of
goals that city has and we're really
excited that we can put bring these all
together this is a very general project
timeline there's about 400 steps in here
that are not reflected but in general we
published an RFP at the end of 2016 we
had four responses for yes and we
interviewed the teams we selected this
team here today at the beginning of 2017
we worked on
memorandums of understanding that
basically showed the intent of our
partnership that was adopted and
assigned by the city in August and
really one of the key things that drove
this project is that in the summer of
2016 the King County Council created
what's called a King County Tod fund and
they put 83 million dollars towards
projects throughout the county that
would benefit from is putting affordable
housing near a transit oriented
development site we in this area from
i-94 Issaquah to North Bend where allit
were allocated 10 million dollars so
that 82 there's a portion that can go to
anybody in the county but this 10
million dollars had to be spent within
this area we in Issaquah really were
they only this is like one of the few
sites that actually qualified for that
ten million dollars because of criteria
and so we applied for that money I
should say King County Housing Authority
applied for that money and they received
that award designation in December of
last year so we received ten million
dollars towards the project so that's a
we're able to then to provide a digital
affordable housing then beyond what we
could would have already been able to
provide so we're here today to tell you
a little bit about the project we plan
to do a community outreach tentatively
at the end of February and then we'll
also be working on the development
agreement so the MOU has the the general
intent the development grant will be the
binding details of that and so we'll
talk a little bit more about that this
year then they'll be design a permitting
work that the development team will do
doing construction will start in the
next few years and the to use d site
will be done in 2021
any questions oh so one of the things
that this these next two slides portray
is that we've been to council a lot that
we've been to out talk about different
topics but it's been various pieces of
the puzzle for the for the transit
oriented element so I just outlined here
when when we've been in front of Council
and
you you can always go back and look at
the presentation or the minutes from
that or the agenda packet from those
meetings but basically we've been in
front of council twice a talk in general
about the project so it's um something
silliman tonight we had to we're in
front of council for the annexation for
the mo use for the opportunity center
and again we'll get more details for the
multifamily tax exemption and for
actually the short planning of a
property in order to provide the
relocation site so this gives you some
details of where you can go and find
more information about the specific
things if you're interested in that any
questions about general process because
again there's a lot of things still to
come okay so kind of got into a little
bit the details but this is the site so
so orient yourself you can see Tibbets
valley park at the bottom of the picture
the project sites there in orange the
currently cent owned by Century Link we
again identified this as an anchor
project potential in 2014-15 and and
maybe was 15 and at the time century
links like we're happy where we are we
you know this is great site for us we
didn't have another location in the city
to actually look at them moving to and
we were not in this there was really
nothing kind of moving forward and so we
were able to identify a parcel in the
other side of town the general
components of the Tod is a vertical
mixed-use building which is really
exciting because we have not seen that
development type yet happen in the
central is central Issaquah area that
there will be approximately 360 units 3
and 25 yeah 60 okay okay I was like look
at that number and about 175 of those
are gonna be affordable there'll be some
ground-floor commercial space and again
the connection to the amenities I
mentioned before so a lot of questions
about what is this affordable housing
look like and so this provides you the
range of unit sizes by size of the
the size of the unit how many of those
units there are what so what percentage
they are affordable and the last column
is actually income affordable it should
say am i behind that so I think you guys
during the affordable housing
conversation have heard that term am i
area median income and so as you see
we're not we're creating affordable
housing for 40% 60% and 80% ami families
we're also providing housing so it's not
that only studio sizes are going to be
affordable to people in the in the
community but also up to three bedrooms
which is going to address you know
families who can cannot afford rents
currently in Issaquah any questions or
thoughts yeah um so I see the note that
this is proposed range and it may be
different would it be finalized in the
development agreement then the actual
mix of affordable units and the size
ratio and all that I'm gonna have how it
looks like he has a big everything was
cut you can come and address that so I'm
Hal Farris nice to meet you all the one
of the processes why this has taken so
long as any development project to go
forward typically you have to first
control the land know that you can you
own or get access to land before you can
build anything on it and the second is
you have to know that you can finance
you can afford to build it and you can
and what's different about affordable
housing is that you have to secure that
that funding that allows that lower
level of affordability first where a
market rate development would be able to
put these things together and then
secure their funding later just before
they're ready to start because they know
that it's kind of generally available in
the market the people that financed it
so that's why we've spent a year and a
half just getting to where we are
because one we had to get agreements
with CenturyLink which is not really
motivated to move they like where they
are but if they get a new place and it
is in a good location they like they're
willing to go so it took a long time to
get them on board and second the Tod
funding application you know the
applicant of the opportunity to apply
for it didn't just
got put out last summer and we submitted
the housing authorities submitted the
application in September and the award
wasn't made until December so we didn't
really know whether we had a project
possible until then so we we normally
would have gone out in front and had
public open houses and involved the
community of what was going to be in
there and what was going to look like
much earlier but we had to go through
this long protracted process to both
know that we could secure the financing
and second we could control the land
available build it so now after year and
a half we're kind of ready to do what
you normally would like to do so that's
to answer your question is we the
development agreement will have it will
have a high level of specificity yeah
but it has to have some flexibility
because we don't have all the design
done at that point in time so we will
put forth what is our concept design and
how many units which right now are those
numbers that you have in front of that
you actually have to actually have a
design behind that but as we really try
to put all the pieces into the puzzle to
the outfit we we may have to move the
numbers around a little bit but it'll be
pretty close to that but we would have
to come back the council and the city
may say we want a project that looks
abstention like this and then we have to
come back to them and say this after
we've done on this is what it looks like
if it's if it deviates from that and
they would have to say yes and if it was
a lot if we came in it whatever you know
a lot less they'd say no that doesn't
work for us so you know we have a an
ongoing process but we have they have to
have confidence in us and we have to
have confidence and you know all of the
other parties to know that we can move
forward because we have to spend a lot
of money and design and other things to
get to a point where we really know we
can start there okay thank you just so
that I'm clear is part of it then how
much is is part of the rate are the
ratio of affordability then dependent on
the funding that that you were talking
about or we raised the ten million
dollars from the county promising them a
hundred and fifty five units which are
the 60 and 40 percent units you see up
there on the chart and so if we vary
from that
we would have to go back to the county
and they may it may cost us some money
if we go below we were we're able to
produce more units with their money if
it's possible although I think for the
amount of money we're getting 155 is
likely going to be around where we end
up for those units okay thank you so I
have a question here
one approximately how many stories are
we looking at because a picture of the
pike was too so I can't imagine this me
stories yes stories we have five levels
of housing above one level of commercial
and then a level of underground parking
below that so it's from the street it
will look like six storey building okay
and then the Milliken era on line item
two is 175 units yada yada at 30 to 80
percent I'm looking here in the minimum
is forty percent so on the slider a
previous one
no on the on the handout oh okay
my 9m - it says 175 units of affordable
running rental residential units serving
individuals families from 30 to 80
percent oh he was saying going below
that he assumed that's a typo we've so
30 to 40 is the lowest that will serve
that's where the 30 comes from it's kind
of the the Tod funding we got from the
county is only available to pay for
housing that targets people from 30% to
80% in our case we only are using it for
30 to 60% units so we in order to serve
people at 30 week target at 40 so it's
not it's the same as I mean we will have
people as low as 30 but probably not
below that okay now if you raise the
four of the income affordability level
to say someone 50 would you actually be
to build more units so all of our 40%
units will have project-based Section
eight so they'll actually generate a
higher rent with the section eight and
then a 50% unit would so no we wouldn't
that's what it's the section eights that
enable us to have the deeper income
targeting all right thank you yeah I
asked what your parking ratio is
planning to be yeah we the city allows
if we're close to a Transit Center which
we're really close generally we can be
at 0.8 stalls per unit and possibly I
think point six four studios but right
now we overall targeted point eight
stalls per unit so that's our current
ratio right now and we're you know we'd
like to have a little more parking than
that but we have to see we can't you
know whereas you know right on top of
the water table so we can't go down any
more than we are and we can't go any
wider than we are because we're filling
up the plate so we basically are trying
to just squeeze as much as we can in
within those physical limits these are
all apartments right these are all
apartments and money generated from the
apartments will pay off everything you
borrowed on us right yeah
there is money left over you know where
I'm assuming the best and then what most
wonderful thing it will come to a point
where it's paid off where does the extra
money go does it go to fund other
projects so this this is not this is
money the 10 million dollars that the
Housing Authority was awarded came from
King County they also received an award
of 2 million dollars from arch and that
is used to buy down the affordability
for these units and those units are
intended to be long-term affordable you
know not 10 years or 20 years but 50
years and as long as the building last
there that's how long it will be the
rest of the of the they also are
borrowing money that is supported by the
income for the project that goes to pay
off the bonds and the debt the Housing
Authority has and so within that what
we've talked about there is within the
hundred and fifty five units that are
really targeted to lower affordability
the rest of the project is done with 20%
of the units at 80% of area median
incomes so we've got forty sixty and
then 80 percent of area median come in
the restaurant market rate the city is
not providing any money or any subsidy
to that that's private debt and private
equity and so that will take 40 years to
pay off the debt for that project and
provide a return to the investors are
investing in that money so there isn't
money left over that gets distributed we
will hire a property manager that will
manage the property I think one other
piece to kind of keep aware is that
these buildings oftentimes may not have
reserve funds set outside and may have
to do some other fundraising for long
term right 40 years out to keep it going
right so then that Dan can speak to that
because that's how they so for our 155
units so a 155 of these our case King
County Housing Authority units we will
also be seeking low-income housing tax
credits which will actually be the
largest source of financing in this deal
and
that has a 15 year compliance period
which means we'll be partners with an
investor the likely a National Bank or
an insurance company for those 15 years
we recently got out of a partnership of
a similar project that we completed
about 18 years ago called the village at
over Lake Station in Redmond which so
when we got the investor out we still
had the underlying debt and we're paying
that down and we're because our rents
have been controlled by what the median
income is over time we don't have a
whole lot of cash flow on that property
even now that the investor is gone so
we're finding that we're needing that
just to make capital improvements and we
we may even in a few years need to Reese
indicate that just to do some some
upgrades to the property so that's kind
of how affordable when you have like
lower income rents there usually isn't I
mean we're in it we do our housing
forever so it will likely be at you know
serving these same income groups 50
years from now and so we will be plowing
any kind of cash flow we get into just
keeping them keeping the unit's going
we've just been a long time developing a
lot of building requirements basically
for the central area do you have to
abide by any of those or is your
understanding that your are special yeah
we are special yes the design guidelines
that are prescriptive applied to this
project so we have to come in and look
at those are sums that we have either we
don't feel are are clear or haven't been
tested so we will be looking at that and
coming back to the city with those that
we feel need some you know greater
review or looking at so and I've
identified a few those that that don't
work for mixed-use housing you know wood
frame construction so those are those
will be to be determined so and I think
the council when they passed it they
identified a period of time it's what
they want to have those tested to find
out if there needs to be any updates so
that they can then incorporate those
into a plan that will kind of stand
stand the test of time to say that that
discussion will also happen during the
development agreement proceedings so it
won't just be something that happens you
know in in my office right so there will
be out we'll be presenting it to Council
or in your office I wanted to say
something about the project that's
really unique and first of all this is
one project there is a because of the
tax credits we end up having kind of
what looks like a you know one of the
buildings on top of the parking will be
owned by the Housing Authority and it's
required to do that way because of the
tax credits and then our entity will own
the other one but what's really unique
about is we want this to act as one
community and we want the residents of
this whole thing whole project to feel
like they're part of a single community
so we're going to have shared amenities
so instead of having two fitness rooms
we're going to have one larger one that
are shared by all the residents grab one
front door in one package room and and a
community kitchen so the amenities
instead of having they'll split and
creating two separate communities we
want this to feel like one so we want
the buildings to look the same you know
we want a lot of elements to be the same
so that you don't have the separation
that might otherwise occur typically
with affordable housing compared to a
market rate project then that has never
been done in our area Puget Sound and
the state of Washington it's rarely done
in the country so it's something we're
really trying to set a different kind of
project a different kind of community
that really integrates all of the people
together without having the you know
more of a separation yes yes yes so I'll
just mention so the Opportunity Center
so this is a term I used before part of
the when we did the RFP we said these
are the things that we're looking at
wanting to have be part of the
development so making sure there's
affordable housing we also requiring a
what's a quarter-acre public plaza so
it's a plaza that will be owned and
maintained by the developers but it was
open to the public and then there was a
10,000 square foot commercial space
called the opportunity center and our
idea again was to expand human services
that are available to the community so I
just want to give you a quick update
this is still again not anywhere near
complete but we did an RFP to nonprofits
at the end of 2017 the office of
sustainability actually is leading this
effort based on the community needs
assessment that was completed last year
and my sure if you guys have were aware
of that work and our intent is to
identify and move forward with a letter
of interest or intent with nonprofits by
mid-year so that could be medical it
could be employment services it could be
additional counseling services but this
is again another public benefit that's
going to come out of the project and
help our nonprofit community and our
broader community so it's not just
services for who's living at the project
prefer people throughout the community
and then we talked a little bit about
the funding so it just gives you a quick
synopsis of it's a conflict if anybody
says development it's really complicated
when you add affordable housing is even
more complicated and this is in the
order of magnitude so I know that the
there's a lot of people at the city who
feel like we're investing
lot and we are for this project but the
reality is the the risk that these two
developers are taking and the money
going out and borrowing or actually the
heavy load of how to make this project
happen our city wave fees are about two
to three million our arch contribution
as the thing is about two million and
our M FTE and I'll show you some one
detail with that kind of still add up to
be less than all these these resources
individually so and so the M FTE a pilot
project M FTE multifamily tax assumption
this is a tool that many other cities in
this in the state use that actually
we're actually doing a little
differently so the private developer
gets the opportunity to have twelve
years of no property taxes on their
residential piece of the property so the
land still gets tax property tax the
commercial space still gets tax property
tax but the residential piece in
exchange for that they have to offer
affordable housing and so this is what
we're as far as what it's been passed
for the pilot project so they're gonna
do
sixty percent 80 percent ami units the
we added a little additional on so in
some places it's just for the twelve
years that you have to provide this
affordable housing but we are requiring
it for the life of the project so after
the twelve years when they have to start
paying property tax on the full building
that those units will still remain
affordable okay so that's something that
we think is a great addition to the
community and people think oh my gosh
we're giving away a lot of money of our
tax dollars the reality is right now the
first column is what currently the city
and other jurisdictions receive so that
property is currently paying into
property taxes throughout the whole
county forty three thousand dollars a
year the city receives five thousand
dollars just under five thousand dollars
does that make sense
in general cuz there's multiple so then
I mentioned during during this property
tax exemption the commercial spaces have
to pay property tax the land has to pay
property taxes we anticipate that the
city's portion of that property taxes
for those twelve years will be over
eight thousand dollars so we're actually
getting more because the property is
worth more there's been investment
there's no commercial the commercial
pieces that are they're also worth more
than what's currently there and then
once the exemption ends which is the
third column that is the anticipated
again these are in 2017 sixteen dollars
and you know thing we can't guarantee
what the assessment rates are good or
assessments are gonna be but looking at
numbers today to give you a quick idea
the city itself would then receive each
year eighty seven thousand dollars in
property taxes for it from this property
so it is not a we're not going to be
losing like currently we're receiving a
hundred thousand dollars from this
property we're not we're receiving less
than five we're not we're actually
anticipating to receive more property
taxes because the improvements that are
being made the value of the whole parcel
will be going up and that balances out
now there is an opportunity cost of not
receiving that for the twelve years but
but again having the opportunity to get
the affordable housing is where the
value it comes in the question word
paying out four million dollars and in
thirteen years we're gonna get eighty
seven thousand back we're not paying
this is what this is private property
what that is valued at that current
parcel is four million dollars that
CenturyLink it's not a city okay so what
is oh you're saying four million from
before that what is the impact to the
city's finances will receive more when
they are done with the project and will
we receive even more after the project
exemption goes away
Jenna find me there's one benefit you're
not factoring in and that is that when a
development of this nature happens it
raises the property values of all the
properties around it and they end up
paying more taxes so you're not
factoring that in your work this is a
very simple quick analysis but thank you
yes I mean it changes it changes the
whole tax base so the way what is it
when do you think we'd break even occur
Moscow what's what's the financial
impact
we break even as a city yes we get we
got a hundred and seventy-six units of
affordable housing so how do you value
that I guess we get a public park we
have a public plaza that's available to
the park we get 10,000 square feet of so
I so you have to measure all those
things so I think we get it we get a
project we want in the central Issaquah
area I think all those things I mean
it's hard to quantify having a truck
parking facility next to a Transit
Center being replaced you know now with
affordable housing people living in our
urban core all those things so I hear
all that but my question is financially
just looking at the finances so we're
paying out X number of dollars okay
we're waiving fees with less tax we're
waiving fees which which we do for any
affordable housing project we are not
collecting and then we're collecting
more property tax okay I heard four
million and I thought that's what we're
paying okay and then so really quickly
we're gonna we have to to mo use because
again because it's a complex project so
there's the actually moving Century Link
off of their site and onto city owns
parcel currently and then the actual
building of the Tod site so there are
two mo use again non-binding that
currently exists they will be the basis
for moving forward for the development
agreements and that will happen in the
next next two quarters and so that will
be something again that will be in front
of Council in front of land and show our
committee so we'll encourage you to kind
of keep up on that so community meeting
again we're anticipating what we are
shooting for the end of February we'll
look at to the items that we be looking
at it's not only but will present some
more you know some general information
to the community but also talk about the
plaza and the mid-block crossing which
is basically going to connect the
Transit Center so as you know the in the
central so-call area they're talking
about smaller blocks so they're more
walkable so that's what this project
does is taking that larger parcel and
actually creating mid-block crossings
that people can
walk through without having goes around
the whole block the development
agreements moving forward and then the
developers will this year next and you
know start design continuing design and
permitting and then start construction
so it's a general overview again there's
lots of details that are going to this
but we hope that helps better understand
the overall project as anything been
discussed about I know parking is a
constraint obviously being able to use
the parking garage that's right next
door for kind of overnight parking or
that kind of thing when it's at its
lowest volume for transit is there any
kind of synergy there yeah so I'm
actually we are look looking we're gonna
have a conversation sound transit the
Transit Center during the day as you
know is fall so but we do own the
overflow parking that's shared parking
across the street so we're actually
looking at how we can better utilize
that making sure that if there is
additional needs during the day that
that can be met there but definitely
that I think the advantage is I think
I'm not sure if if overnight parking is
currently allowed and Transit Center I
think the person mentioned that it
wasn't yeah usually is not allowed
overnight but that's something we
actually have a call in to our Sound
Transit folks we've and actually met
with them early on because they actually
that Road that's in between the site and
the trend Center is their private road
and so kind of making sure they're aware
you know kind of what's going on so well
definitely those conversations and see
if we can better utilize that so
so we're gonna move right along the keys
just sleep and I think you have some
dates to discuss good evening
planning policy Commission next on our
agenda
I went deep on the design on this one
I've got some extra hard copies does
anybody want a hard copy of not a bat I
think so
so we got I'm taking us all back to
December and we we kind of dialed up a
draft of this to the council committee
and and the general consensus was send
it back to timing policy Commission and
the task force in the public get some
more input and then bring it back and
the hope was we'd be bringing it back by
you know by sometime soon and getting it
through the council by April that was
that was the goal and I heard somebody
at the table say it's we do that to
meetings I'm not sure who that was but
that was somebody at the table so all
I'm doing is kind of a reality check and
you know we're you know it's it seems
like we just started 2018 but we're
already you are here so it's the 25th
what we what we heard earlier from the
park director was we've kind of dialed
up a couple meetings in February to talk
about the green necklace and the green
network and the green thing and on the
first which I was going to put on here
and apparently got distracted we're
redoing small-cell so so you guys have a
meeting the first the 8th the 22nd and
right now we tentatively had scheduled
the 28th the end of the month for for
wrapping up the vision so we could move
on with some other things I'm trying to
kind of gauge the progress we've made so
far I'm still in chapter one and knowing
that we haven't even started talking
about the neighborhood yet and I'm
worried that we're not going to get to
the place we want to be by the end of
February and so I'm looking for you guys
to help me problem-solve
our progress to this point and you know
if I'm here every night anyway but I
don't know that you guys want to be here
every night so either one we need a lot
more meetings or two we need to maybe
move things along the homework in
between the meetings I think you know I
know that some feel like the green
necklace getting resolved on the green
necklace is super important I think it
is but I'm trying to figure out how we
get to a goal line and whether that goal
lines in February or you know are we
spilling into March
you know if anybody's saying we're
spilling into April I'm gonna say I
think we need to be done before then so
this is before we kind of dive headfirst
into this tonight I just kind of wanted
to talk about schedule and process and
you know I don't want anybody thinking
we rush this because that's not what I'm
trying to do here but I'm also trying to
get us to move a little bit more
efficiently you had one of your
commission members and I won't mention
names sent an email saying that he was
discouraged and felt like we were down
to wordsmithing and that will never get
consensus on wordsmithing because you
know as much as we all have our favorite
words we all don't have the same
favorite words and so you know I want us
to stay at a level where we're actually
moving the needle and if we get to the
point where we're just wordsmithing
email me I'm happy to go through
everybody's words Connie knows this I
pick maybe one out of four of hers
baby so you know so but it's an easier
way to do it I think I mean if you guys
trust that we can get down to the actual
picking of words now there's some things
that you guys that need to ring true so
just looking sorry just looking at this
schedule and I knew what was coming and
so that's why I said to the park board
that we would have a four-hour meeting I
mean I really think that we can do the
the network the green network in one
meeting if we have some information
ahead of time it's not going to be
complete it's always going to be changed
but at least it'll give us some sense
better than this the circles that we had
before I'm more interested in going
through this tonight and then at least
taking the 22nd or some day to go back
and look at what we've committed to in
the way of design standards and whatever
and go over it quickly so that we know
that it works in the vision because when
you do that first and then you get into
the vision maybe it doesn't connect or
maybe with some other input we can have
some better ideas maybe we did it wrong
maybe because this is you know this is
going to be bit it and we have to make
sure that it we're right along though so
does anybody have any other comments is
that work but my only other comment is
it would be great to I think I think it
could be effective to break it off kind
of in smaller pieces dedicated each
meeting so we all come in we know what
our goal is to talk about okay we're
going to get through this topic and then
and we set a goal for being done on that
date and we have a review period and we
say yay or nay to all those components
that we've worked towards it all depends
on how long it takes us to do what we're
going to do but tonight we are only
going to look at these four issues and
what I want to do is go through them
very quickly
not necessarily wordsmithing but to make
sure that what it implies is not causing
trouble for future development in our
from what we actually want so you know I
just like to go through them I'm an I'm
a retired teacher and when I look at
this it all starts differently and I
have a hard time reading it but the city
can do the word smoothing on that but
that's all we're gonna do tonight and I
think that's going to take us a while to
get through that so what I want
eet's to do I know he gave us a little
bit of a input where it started and how
we got to where we are but we made some
commitments the last meeting of what we
wanted to do how we wanted it designed
and you were going to bring back to us
exactly what we decided on and I don't
see that so I would like to see that you
know you did a little bit here but I
think we had made some other comments
and restriction on the beginning of what
we wanted to see
but right now you're looking at me like
I'm crazy I know you're suggesting I did
you asked me to start doing this tonight
so Carrie can i clarify I'm used to
visions being aspirational things that
you work toward but I've also heard that
there are certain people that want to
try to codify the visions that makes a
huge difference for me in terms of the
level of detail that I would be diving
into if they're truly aspirational then
this should be a much easier simpler
exercise but if there's going to be code
that's gonna follow up to dictate the
vision and only the vision and then not
allow a progress toward the vision that
is a whole nother deal and that will
take a lot of meetings in my book but
that's not what we're gonna do tonight
good and I agree it should be
aspirational and sometimes we put too
much into the aspirational part of it so
I want to be careful when you go through
it so I know that we have a piece of
paper here where it starts and there is
a the first paragraph I'm not sure why
it's there why are we looking at this
particular so this so this part here at
the beginning was to help you guys this
is the directions so this is so what I
wanted you guys to understand because I
think you guys and I'm not going to be
critical but I think you guys keep
forgetting there's a whole plan that
this piece that we're talking about one
little chapter slides in to a whole
other plan and you guys kept trying to
pull the whole rest of the plan into
this chapter because and so what I gave
you for note number one is this is just
pages 15 through 22 the rest of the plan
is staying the way it is and and that
was that was a reminder for you guys to
keep you focused no number two following
adoption of the visions we will clean up
the rest of the plan so for example if
we decide it's no longer the green
necklace but the green slime I don't
know screen something else we'll have to
go back through the plan
and actually change that nomenclature to
make it consistent we will do that we
don't need to worry about that through
this exercise and then the third thing
and this was Vicki asked for this to be
kind of brought back forward so I am
listening to you I think that we had a
section of code revision that was doing
what Kerry alluded to earlier because I
actually think you guys are the the
direction from both this group and from
Landon Shore was the visions are too
loose we're not getting what we want
they need to be we need to account we
need we need they need to be more
predictable and so what this section of
code does and so this section of code 1
1 C is already in the IMC chapter 1819 a
which is central Issaquah and we
basically added some language at the end
of this section that says and shall
comply with the developer obligations
identified in the then that needs to
change into neighborhood visions all
right so so that is the tool that from a
legal standpoint would allow us to say
so when we get down to the neighborhood
level and we talk about East Lake
neighborhood and it says as a developer
you shall do this we now as staff even
though it's in the visions and not in
code we can say because of this this
draws that vision into code and says you
have to do that it's in the visions you
have to do it but shouldn't there be
some ability to have a developer work
around
and strive to comply but not shall
comply it's kind of for me and they have
to you know according to that sentence
they have to do everything that is in
there they can't
yes so so if it says you know if your if
your project is and we this just
happened we had a meeting even though
we're still in a moratorium we still we
have meetings that are informational
with the property owner whose property
was adjacent to a Creek and he was
suggesting a parking lot next to the
creek and we said okay it's likely
depending on what comes out of all this
that that's not something you're gonna
be able to do because what it says in
the neighborhoods is you shall have a
positive relationship to the creek I'm
making up words because we're not there
and I don't want to bring it up so
positive relationship to the creek or
some words like that and the words are
important and we'll get down to the
words but it it but a parking lot or the
back of a building is not a positive
relationship to a natural open space
amenity and so so having a positive
relationship to an app natural open
space amenity doesn't say you have to
have your front door on it maybe you
have a section of the building has a has
a patio that opens up to it maybe
there's a trail that you put from you
know your project you know along the
edge of it there's probably a number of
different ways so this is more like a
guideline like and I don't want to use
that word because I don't know that
everybody understands how they're used
but it's like a it's a it's a guideline
but there's it's a it's a performance
measure that you have to me not that you
shall try to try to meet that you have
to meet but there's maybe a number of
different ways that you can get there
right it doesn't say you have to do X it
says you
have to meet the intent of doing X and
maybe there's three or four five or six
or seven different ways that you can
achieve that so it makes it predictable
in how you treat your property but
there's different ways that you can
satisfy that so it does give some
flexibility but it's not to the point
where it says you the city you know you
shall try or you I mean some of those
words were in the previous version and
that's what I heard y'all didn't want
you wanted it to be more predictable you
wanted it to be I want to know what
that's gonna look like when it gets
built
well that's prescriptive that's
satisfying performance measures I think
it's very different than just we want
this to look like this so sorry that was
a lot of words so I think this gets back
to Carrie's point though because this is
almost like codifying it anyway and and
our concern is that the visions are too
prescriptive in nature and it's actually
going to hurt business development in
the future and again this might get back
to all the wordsmith things that's been
going on but I think there should be a
little room for creativeness in the
process so that is if I could continue
to have a unique look and feel to it
that that we all enjoy okay it sounds
like that's what Keith said and sorry I
have to learn another document because
the one I have doesn't have it
Mike OS version ninety-nine just kidding
actually no that's not the right one and
that's a problem one okay no if I just
use the example that you had of the when
I can't remember the good relationship
with the nature I think that that's it's
very different than most code I think if
we really don't want a parking lot right
on the Creek then maybe that needs to be
specified in code language but to say
positive relationship I think that
people that's that's so subjective and
there are a lot of very subjective words
celebrate for example where I think that
it's it's so subjective that it it's
very unlike code I think it could be
very confusing to people that are
developers or you could interpret it as
well the parking lot is is a positive
relationship it's a use of the space I
mean there's there's so much
subjectivity and so much of this and I
think that's okay for to be aspirational
and to be a vision but it doesn't it
doesn't seem so it's making it
prescriptive in terms of codifying it
but then the actual words are in spurt
or are leaving so much leeway that I
don't think it so would be very we
haven't spent any time on these words
since December so I need I need to be
clear because that so that comment and
I'm not gonna be cranky if I'll be a
little bit cranky
so that comment about celebrating
mountains to sound was identified before
and I agreed with it in December and I'm
gonna agree with it now it needs to be
changed so don't use it as example right
so so go to one point one provide parks
and trails that create social
opportunities it's that clear is that
ambiguous it's clear I think it's clear
and I can use that with a developer to
say okay how are you how are you
satisfying one point one right and
they're gonna say okay I've got a trail
that leads from my open space through my
project to the street great
does it say how wide is it does it say
where it goes no but it it tells you
what we want to have happen all right
and so if we can achieve that level of
clarity with each one of these I think
so in my world that's called a design
guideline it's a it's a performance
measure that you need to meet but
there's a lot of different ways that you
can do it it doesn't say where on your
property it is it doesn't say how big it
is that's more of a standard this is
more of a performance expectation that
we have on the property and there's
different ways to get there so if we can
get to a point and we're still stuck on
chapter 1 we haven't even gotten into
the neighborhood yet if we can get to
the point where we're actually working
on clarifying some of the intent of
these like you may say keys I don't
understand to point to celebrate does
that mean have a party what does that
mean right and if we get to the point
where we can actually clean that up and
make that so everybody in this room
understands what that means I think
that's what we want to do and that keeps
me from having to do a bunch of code
amendments later to then turn this into
code because I'd rather not do that that
seems like a whole lot of work that I'm
gonna have to hire somebody to do
because I don't have anybody to do it so
if we stay on track of basically turning
this into a set of design guidelines for
each neighborhood I think that's a great
outcome I think that's consistent with
how other cities do things we have
design guidelines in the villages and I
think that it would keep us from having
to adopt a bunch more code but it has to
be clear and this is not clear I will be
the first one to say some of this is
clear and some of this is not clear and
we haven't even gone back in based on
some of the revisions to the first piece
of this which was kind of changing
around the guiding principles where this
might get a whole lot better
I just haven't put any timing yet
because we haven't gotten past
definitely so this was all based
so if we're comfortable with the Lord
shall we can move on and get into what
we're actually gonna talk about tonight
you like shale yes okay so I think I
think it changes though the whole
context of the rest of the document if
we have it be in if we have it be
actually code or not right so this has
been that this all will be code all the
developer sections will be code I mean
it would be equivalent to code in that
it will be something that you as a
developer will need to comply with as
opposed to I mean so the prophet saw I'm
just going to go ahead and let's take us
backwards okay because sometimes it's
great to go backwards and say yeah no we
don't want that so with Atlas you know
where that vision was for mixed-use you
know we had a vision for we want this
area to be we want Gillman to be
mixed-use their comment was when asked
why didn't you put retail on the ground
floor if you wanted it you should have
made us do that okay and so that's I
think what we're responding to so the
pendulum swing in the other direction
and we're being much more heavy-handed
because I think the I think the
community and the council didn't like
the results from the light hand so
that's my take and and so maybe we're
having this conversation because we all
need refocusing on clarity of why we're
doing what we're doing but I think the
expectation was we want a more
predictable we want the developers to
build what the community actually
expects to get in these locations I
think I just say you know I I think
generally you're right I like the
guidelines piece and flexibility to
figure out different ways to get there
because whenever you have a development
project usually the first time out
you're always over budget and you're
trying to figure out you know the gives
and the takes and what's more important
for this and you can't do it all you
have to make choices in order to make
things work and so
if we mandate too much without having
economic data for what it's costing for
the things that you're asking for
I mean environmental stuff forget that
but but building finishes types
amenities structure parking if you don't
know what the economic equation of that
is you'll get to a point where you'll
require all this stuff and nobody can
meet the requirement because the land
values here aren't high enough to
justify the rents that you would need to
get to build the building and then
nothing happens so I think my concern is
that it's hard for me I think to see the
because the version we have right now
has has a lot of developer obligations I
realized that they will be changed over
time as we go through the discussions
but right now and I also use it not a
good example but I think that there are
a lot of words that could be interpreted
a lot of ways and I think it could might
my interpretation is that it could be
confusing for developers that are used
to seeing code and then having this all
be read as code but but so does every
developer have to do everything in the
list if they're in that neighborhood and
it seems like my concern is that it
seems like there's a long way between
what we have now and that but there
isn't a long way from what we have now
and it being a vision so so I actually
was trying to do what John suggested
earlier which was you know let's let's
make bite-sized pieces of this thing
because it's the bill the whole thing is
too much to try and comprehend at once
and I think Viki you're you're going
into that end piece and looking at and
going okay if I if I don't like the end
piece then this piece isn't working for
me because I'm looking at how it plays
out and I don't like how it plays out
but the problem is we haven't gone in
and done anything with the neighborhood
yet since because I'm trying to get you
guys past this first intro part and so
all I'm saying is if you can have faith
and say that we can fix the back part
because we haven't even started yet can
you read this part with with it with
that in mind that if the back parts
clear I can read this part and will it
work for you that's I think what I'm
asking and if you say no you think we're
off-track then we need I think we need
to have a bigger conversation with the
group and see if everybody else thinks
we're off-track - no I took it's it's
okay can I can I just give my
perspective of what I think we're trying
to do because I've sat and watched these
things go through the melon and be built
and so I perceive this as creating a
lens by which staff and to some extent
the community can work with the
developers to better gain what we
envision it's not like the developers
alone read everything and say well we
have to do this and this and this they
sit down with staff but staff has only
been going to code they haven't been
going and looking at the visions and and
telling the developers well we're trying
to create these visions and so you have
to do it this way that's been missing
and so what I'm hoping is this becomes
the tool where every developer who comes
in they look at the neighborhood and
staff says hey this is what's supposed
to be in that neighborhood so let's see
how we can we can succeed in that and
make it great and everybody's go in the
same direction instead of duking it out
and then when they build it we hate it
so I don't know if that helps or not
because I don't think any of you who
have been through the development
pathway to understand how the tool might
be used so that might be one question is
who's going to use it and how maybe that
helmet
I had heard that this was a tool that
Development Commission and staff need to
be able to use to interface with a
developer and say this is what we've
agreed to and that what they had before
there were things that yeah they didn't
like but it wasn't strong enough or it
wasn't it was either too specific or not
specific enough that there was no yeah
you're right you know you had to kind of
concede things to to the developer and
say you're right it's not there we got
we don't have a leg to stand on
we have to let it go through right so
our goal here is correct me if I'm wrong
is to enhance this tool so that it does
what we've always wanted it to do if I
could jump into Martin my experience
with the develop Commission the plan
it's sort of like the standards gave us
the box and it said you can build this
box this height this dimension this
coverage and so forth here's the box you
can do we didn't really have design
guidelines that could say here's really
what that box needs to include or look
like and so forth the design guidelines
I think are giving this that tool to say
you can now mold that box and say here's
the things the box has to have in it
then I think the idea with this with the
shall comply then gives us a tool for a
bigger picture to say okay there's the
box there's what we think it should look
like and here's the other things we want
to have happen in this neighborhood that
you should be part of maybe not
necessarily everything but at least it
gives us that tool to work with the
developers on this project so I I think
it's a good idea I think it works to say
shall and
and that flexibility I think we can work
with okay so the next couple pages are
things that I think we're aware of I
don't think we have to go into that and
so I'd like to to make one comment on
page five yes it's happening so I can't
with that
that's the centralist quad vision which
is what we were supposed to do homework
for which we sent you stupid she asked
me to do it last so so we can do that
whatever you want to the central school
vision was I mean we had the homework
all right we're gonna we're gonna do the
vision this isn't the vision though this
is I mean the vision is gonna be that is
the vision
central is the core vision vision
statement that's right that is the
vision so that's one of that's one of
six visions we can talk about before the
nights over you want to do it last or
you want doing that visions can be kind
of pictures pictures are grade I the one
I passed out doesn't have pictures my
apologies
I lost Kristin's paper you got pictures
that's awesome I'm super excited about
that it's it on the website is it is it
on the engine
I would say on this one you're missing
something about the community staying
safe it's it feels safe right now and
that's a really important part of
livability that isn't mentioned in this
document
so can I ask as a first step back how do
we feel about this layout versus where
it was before did we feel like this is
moving in the right direction or not I
think so absolutely I just it would be
good to provide positive feedback no I
the pictures the color it's more
professional
I like safety I don't know if you guys
have you I also like how it links to the
other policy chapters so if anybody goes
back to the central plan as a whole
there's this whole section at the end
that talks about the policies that are
around these specific areas like urban
community and so linking those with the
letters there and saying this applies to
this policy I think is a good connective
point so going up to the orange
beginning do you want to add safety in
there is that a B I just put it in a
bullet yeah in the door okay so I want
to go through these really quick I want
to go through each one of them whether
they stay within they go
if they need some more smithy or
something
are there words that cause you
consternation surfers just can I add one
thing first
no yes oh thank you so they had some
conversations about so we talked about
description definition something for
each of these and so you know where it
ended up is it's kind of it's a bunch of
words it's not it's not a sentence it's
not because because as soon as you start
turning it into sentences then it needs
to want to flow and this this for me was
a better way to describe these it's just
it's all it's kind of like a little word
old to go with it so if you guys if you
guys yeah so if you guys are okay with
that that's just like that's a construct
piece I want to make sure you were
diving all right now I'm ready for any
existing we do thumbs-up thumbs-down and
then if there's any thumbs down
commentary just to get us through it
yeah okay or just say the ones you don't
know on well for your time on the list
okay so further down so for the downs
that was the two of you Wow
for me it's I get the idea and it's more
about harmonizing than seamlessly
blending as a developer if I have to
seamlessly blend does that mean I'm
dictated by the materials that are
currently existing in the neighborhood
do I have to somehow work with the
existing size of the product okay you
get yes I do yeah I don't know if
existing is the right word so much as
well I guess here it's not historic but
there's certain properties that
certainly are existing and do fit and
sometimes existing and doesn't fit okay
we want to integrate seamlessly with the
things that we don't want to keep
good play I certainly wouldn't put it as
the first thing in the list that has
nothing to do with it yeah okay
so will you it down I didn't see you
even vote there no yeah you were down
okay so you scratch it so there were
probably more votes to like than scratch
so so why why Ron so I like Kerry's
suggestion for an edit so Harmonized
over seamlessly blend so part of it is
you know if it's livable I mean so okay
so let's say that you have your single
storey bungalow and next to you is
constructed a 10-story ultra-modern
apartment building is that still livable
for you or has things have things
somewhat changed that's not I look at
livable as a verb structure so that's
more about the development what it looks
like but the livable site is you know
you're talking about vibrant
neighborhoods so vibrance accessibility
sustainable diverse doesn't say anything
about structures it's also just your
living situation is this something a
place that you still feel is home and
all of that so I think Keith's example
was a good one and I think if we do
harmonize or integrate does any great
work
I don't know integrate appears
as a top bullet and to the other one so
it's almost negative it's late yeah
adapt to those not bring it forward
removing it because architectural fit is
in another one is indistinctive I
believe and I think that it's kind of
covered in other ways the sentiment but
that's my
okay so let's show yeah so let's show
quick hands or thumbs up for taking it
out one two three four
take it out all right we're taking it
out next
I'm good with shortening diversity of
housing supporting an inclusive City
with affordable high quality and
sustainable housing stuff I'd shorten
that this diversity of housing
supporting an inclusive city that kind
of says it all think between the this
bullet and the fourth bullet they're
duplicates are they yeah we could kind
of combine those somehow the old fourth
bullet it's a fee I'm counting it I'm
like wait what that's about jobs
yeah one two three four okay mister
alright I'll look to will look to blend
those two together into one area or
harmonize them together
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provide housing to meet the city's
growth needs for the next 20 years won't
the market take care of that yeah
and what growth needs is that so the
plan the plan has gross numbers in
declaring that and so applying I mean
the target goes through so this isn't
obviously aspirational this is nuts and
bolt II I don't know I mean I'm I'm okay
taking this one out if you guys want
this one out all right I'm seeing nods
not gonna ask for a vote
all right beside of that I think it
would be we do need to provide housing
and this seems like the places we want
to provide it right so yeah but that's
so this gets back to that's part of the
plan and we're in the visions and let's
leave that out and leave it in the plan
it's still in the plan just because
we're taking it out doesn't mean we're
not doing it yeah so let's go down to a
pact retain and grow a diverse community
workforce I like it okay sweet promote
job creation minimize job loss and
support the growth of new and existing
local businesses I would be a little
careful with the minimize job loss
because you only have a certain amount
of control over that it's more about
attracting the new jobs and evolving
them because there will be some jobs
that are so what does this mean okay so
now
hood so in right now in Pickering and
Gillman we're saying I'm in my job so if
you're gonna take out so this was part
of the pants over atlas is there were
jobs there and they went away and if we
don't have something about minimizing
job loss you know the concern that I've
heard from a number of people is we
could end up with all straight
apartments going in and residential
comes before the jobs come and you if
you don't have enough critical mass of
that you're not gonna be able to attract
the jobs and there's a lot of jobs that
may not be direct that may be related to
building so atlas for example has
landscapers and janitorial and and jobs
that you mean you know more than just
the property manager sitting in the
building so and then all the people that
are in there might have someone cleaning
their unit you know you just gotta be
careful with this one the thing that
we're saying though is we're looking to
value what is existing there that may be
providing jobs rather than tearing it
down and replacing it with new housing
and I think that is a vision that we
have for this central area
how about maintain jobs
what minimized job losses so Keith I was
actually thinking we should have almost
two separate suction to add two sections
economic and leisure lifestyle and under
economic would be talking about the jobs
like target job creation whose median
income would equal equal to are better
than the county's median income ranking
to developers well and the other thing
is parts of your town are gonna change
so Costco is planning to add 5,000 jobs
but these people are going to need a
place to live and they may need to knock
down a small business in order to build
the apartments for them to live in I
mean ultimately they're not necessarily
all going to be in the same place but
you've got allow for that flexibility
because what are you saying you can't
knock down a building because they're
you know people that work there to build
something new that will get you to that
next level well this is a vision this
isn't code so I think it still leads
toward our goal for this area is to
maintain jobs and growth so I'm gonna
jump down to the section we don't like
yet let's see what we said about jobs
and I think the are the other argument
is we're only at 10% of our jobs target
apparently so but could it not be under
sustainable and having a balance of
always having a better some
proportionate balance of housing and
jobs whether it varies and that could be
unlivable okay because really that feels
more like economic vitality when you're
talking about livable and making sure
that you have a lot of jobs
livable to me is just more like I have a
job I like right that I can get to
easily and that's that's great
livability the jobs related to economic
vitality makes a lot of sense to me
related to land use is a little weird
yeah except for as a policy thing if
we're trying to get people to be able to
live and work in the same town then we
need to maintain a certain balance with
a variety of jobs to a variety of
housing with an awesome transportation
system right so you're trying to get
this livability trifecta but I think I'm
looking at those trying to figure out if
you can remove three and get one bullet
point but I feel sort of wordsmithing
will ya do that so that's really my
concept so I guess so maybe I was being
too sensitive so I'm gonna I'm gonna
pull you guys so the job loss piece so
this came out of Ron's mouth I'm gonna
be specific and it came out of Mary
Lou's mouth and I think the question is
is should we be concerned at all about
losing jobs in central as it redevelops
because if so I think we need to be
specific about that if we're going to
though focus on I'm gonna just say job
harmony because my brains so tired
whatever something good jobs well-paying
jobs I mean so we've got we've got the
diversity of workforce above that right
so that's the bullet I think everybody
was fine with that we want jobs at
different spectrums so this one was
really about more growing jobs so the
the bullet before was about jobs across
all many income levels right you're
gonna have service jobs we'd like
corporate jobs we want jobs to match
diversity of housing stock this one was
about growing jobs we want more jobs
you know is your economic development
director I want more jobs in central
Issaquah the thing is and maybe maybe
the thing that kind of threw you guys
off the track is this minimize job loss
because if you read the rest of it it
probably would have flown through and
you guys all want to give it a thumbs up
so the question is is do we need to
actually say minimizing job loss does
that is that so there are two things
when we took the tour around you
mentioned that were possible areas where
we've got workforce that are going to be
replaced with housing yeah one is BMC
and then the other one was up there in
that East Lake area where you've got
office Park that's going to be replaced
with apartments or townhomes and so I
think those are two key examples of
areas where because the market values
housing more right now we need to push
back on that a little bit and say no we
value our current stock of jobs and we
don't want to lose those to housing so
you can take some so that's so the space
labs building is a great one and and if
the market says the highest and best use
for that is pure residential you're
going to take out a three-story office
building and put in just apartments now
maybe in the long scheme the Vaughn game
maybe that all balances out and that's
fine and we shouldn't worry about the
point by point change in land uses or
maybe we should and so this is that
conversation where we either put
something in here about this that gives
the city the ability to tell someone so
so what you could then tell a particular
home builder is you can go ahead and
take out that three-story office
building but instead of putting in just
apartments you have to put in ground
floor non-residential space and
residential above so there's at least
some jobs coming back you know so this
doesn't say no job loss yes
it says minimized so I think it gives
the city the ability to say okay you're
gonna take that out you know and there's
some underutilized office buildings
across from the State Park which is more
kind of where I'm thinking and you know
and it's like okay somebody could come
in and say I'm gonna buy those two-story
office buildings and put in apartments
there's nothing to do with minimizing
job loss because if you're going to take
away a office park that has on our jobs
but over here you're going to create in
an opportunity for 200 jobs it's a net
positive so you're not minimizing jobs
you're growing jobs is just you're
moving them from one section to another
section so where does that 200 come from
sure the job pool is maintained or
something like that so your job loss
sounds like you're fired
and that's a tough one for anybody to
read oh I'm sorry I didn't mean to point
but maintain the job pool or some port
or do your best Donald Trump invitation
[Laughter]
sorry
ya know we've all been doing this too
long all right so so yes can you explain
how many of my time so I think that
support existing local business covers a
lot of the support the growth of
existing local business so that's
existing local jobs for an existing
local business so I think it's kind of
covered with that unless I'm missing
something
I like I've had just read remote job
creation and support the growth of new
and existing local business does that
does that work does that okay I'm their
kind of girl I do it okay fosters social
interaction and community what about the
introverts I was like I'm not that
wordsmith but foster a community
engagement maybe or something like that
so you so you can come to our February
first meeting and promote small cells so
we can all stay inside okay this one's
so maintain our high quality of life
okay
provide missing transportation
facilities don't get that okay missing
sidewalks missing bike lanes stub
streets that need to be connecting the
grid complete our transportation that's
part connect yeah that should be
unconnected Oh
okay that can move that yeah so I think
that when we were talking about some of
these before a lot about the
transportation can go in different
buckets and I think we talked about that
being okay so I for me it's okay that
it's there but I also I don't like the
word missing I think you know provide
transportation container connected but
then then it's really in connected but
yeah I think the livable component of
that would be some I don't know what the
words are but make sure that
transportation options are immediately
available you know within the vicinity
of these residences right like people
just need to be able to quickly get
where they're going
mabel transportations yeah accessible or
last-mile like it that's the liveable
portion right I just say it's easy to
get around
okay I'll work on that one anything it I
mean I think it needs to be I think what
we're all saying is that for it to be
livable you know if I if I if I live a
block away from a grocery store but I
can't get there because it's unsafe did
your safety you know that that doesn't
work that's unlivable but if if there's
ways for me to get there that's
convenient and functional so I'll work
on that piece okay next is increase the
number and variety of things to do make
a bowling alley oh yes foster community
engagement and volunteerism instead of
just a number of things to do because
that's really generic and I think you've
got some redundancy with the last bullet
that maybe this somehow those two can be
integrated so I can with those two so
run volunteers say years again austere
community engagement and volunteerism
that's further up with the foster social
interaction
I thought I think that's sustainability
yeah hold your thought for
sustainability
I do where's our parks supposed to being
livable or do they yeah because I really
feel like that is a big part of living
yeah I agree with that
somehow making sure that parks are are
close to the places that people live
okay in either small ways or you know
that's also part of the whole parks
discussion right that's the question is
parks gonna just be an overlay so you
don't have to mentioned anywhere or
should it be included it should be
included everywhere I think a word that
should find its way into here I think is
culture no I don't know whether it's I
think it's in livable mm-hmm it's in
distinctive cultural opportunities you
know things like I know we have the
theater in Old Town or things like that
would be a good thing to encourage so I
think we were thinking we the Royal we
were thinking it was more indistinctive
because if you look at the description
in the green my screen looks great so in
the gray
I see cultural events up there I see
history so it might want to squeeze in
you know as another bullet potentially
within distinctive so one thing that I
would think should be in the section
maybe it belongs somewhere else but I
think it goes in livable is schools
unless I'm missing it but there's no I
don't think there's
last bullet oh is it the second-to-last
one ever had school size and we have
noise you have noise a lot in our
central Issaquah area and it's really
hard to live with the noise in the
central is squat area so I there are
places I won't go outside comfortably so
I would say yeah noise and ambient light
maybe I don't know if there's something
maybe that's more of a design guideline
thing but I don't want it to just be
pretty glowing or I don't know I don't
want to touch you hear those so what do
you want to do with them then yeah so
comfortable if you walk next to i-90
along Gilman lately urban places are
usually not quiet that's not true I like
how you touch it and touch it again so
I'm looking for majority on two
suggestions for noise and light yes or
no I think they're only ideas I don't
know if they would fit in a vision I
think there was there is discussion at
the neighborhood level where it's
specific needs for sound walls on those
sorts of things so those are those I
think are more specific do you think
it's more specific than holistic yes
okay I'm flipping the page to gray
how come Gray's distinctive okay all
right work on that that's sure I like
gray is distinctive all right okay first
one integrate environmental features
such as creeks lakes and knavish
wetlands protected open spaces and
natural views into sustainable
development projects to ensure the
unique qualities that make you the class
specials for future generations are
retained highlighted is that not already
written in our architectural stuff
that's right there I think I stole it
from somewhere because it's pretty good
I just like to celebrate the environment
which I know it celebrate is a rough
work but but that's really verbose
all right I'm seeing like it needs work
a lot it's a lot a lot of words I think
it should be three bullets yeah okay I
don't know I think I mean if nothing
else you could probably get rid of the
extra unique qualities and make it
across special for future generations I
mean isn't that kind of what all this
does in some ways that might be
sustainability again yeah okay I I think
this is a great statement partly
thinking from people in the public
reading something like this is like what
they're looking for
maybe wordy but it's great oh yeah I
like the concept like the concept I
think it is it stands out because it is
so much longer than the next one it
could also be maybe two sentences next
one's going to stay there like that it I
don't know the next one that's what if
you change straight into two it could be
broken into two it ensure the unique
qualities I think it has sort of a
natural break there do you think is that
do you think that's better is to okay I
can do that okay all right so there's a
partial thought here in some of these I
don't know what was going on okay so
something about existing jobs got
somewhere else yeah unless unless is a
spectacular distinctive job is it
something about the employers that are
already here are you trying to do that
for Gillman village I know a good
sousaphone player I'm just gonna I'm
just gonna for now draw a line through
that one and then and then maybe it'll
come back to me sometime later I don't
know about the encouraging jobs that
promote the environments I know that
when we did the first little thing
everything
was saying why don't we have more
running stores and yeah well you know
things that you can use and recreate a
neighborhood that is your what is it IP
z stuff whatever it is where you have
your distinctive zones that you create
within town to give it a sense of place
so our brand which we haven't gotten off
the ground yet will likely be focused on
outdoor recreation yeah okay I know I
don't know I'm not sure what happened
here so I like people places okay so
fitting architecture you know I'll let
me look at the architectural manual let
me pull some language out of that I mean
it's it's about context and so let me
let me do something with this one
because I don't know what happened
frankly I've got two that might be added
here okay create Green Street scapes
that are people oriented yeah I forgot
the other one it's all have to come back
to I think maybe fitting architectures
where we talk about integrating with our
kind of landmark buildings that there's
also historic is on here
history respected and fitting
architecture I think together and
there's history respected and then the
last one is respect it's as the longer
wooden rank the longer one was supposed
to replace the short one but I forget to
get rid of the short one so maybe yeah
maybe combining with architecture in
that respect history and respect
the architecture I like flashing
okay what is local goods and services is
that about the outdoor brand so I mean
so local goods
I mean locally locally produced goods
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you know so the farmers market you could
say Gillman village you know so there's
a number of things that lead to a
distinctive quality about our community
and so I think I need to unpack that one
some of these need to be unpacked and my
apologies I really don't know what
happened with this so it's intended to
talk about you know those locally
produced goods and services are things
that make your community distinctive or
they can maybe something about like
facilitate healthy lifestyle or I like
what you just said about the local
services are local goods and services I
just think that it needs a little more
it does expansion and so I think what
happened here is there's a little bit of
a you know is trying to pick apart and
move things from one place to another in
what happened is sometimes I left a
reminder and then didn't go back and
like really work it so there's a and I
hate to go backwards Madame chair so one
of the things that was in livable that
might have disappeared and it's somewhat
wrapped into this one which is local
goods and services is that ability to
have those those daily needs
so the grocery store the pharmacy you
know being able to have those proximate
to where you live
that's a livability piece it needs to go
back into livability and so I if you
guys are all nodding I'll put I'll add
some
thing in about local goods and services
in that section as it relates to
proximity to residences without it
sounding quite so boring and
bureaucratic Sookie yes is there a
reason why we don't have a section on
economic because it seems like we're
we're trying to put a lot of economic
values into these different categories
and seems like we almost need a category
of its own
and then we can you know you can always
direct back to it but economically by
what I'm talking about economic has
actually create a whole nother section
like you know we've intersections but
yeah but these are things like
distinctive and livable their visionary
words economic doesn't fit in there
unless you can come up with a different
word to describe it like vibrant or okay
well so if you had a section called the
economic you could say promote gateway
to the Cascades to strengthen tourism
because we're not talking about anything
about tourism improve inner-city
mobility resources to businesses create
innovative business parks and mixed use
areas create opportunities for next
generation business opportunities
entertainment food and services they're
not talking about restaurant like the
word thrive
it could be vitality thrive you know
there's because thriving means everybody
is doing well yeah but economics is not
a place where I'm going to live right
and we're trying to describe a place
where we want the central is a quad to
be to to be attractive and a place to
live so that's I think why the word I
can
this isn't the right word but the
concept might be viable right we're just
missing that that category that covers
all those things in this piece
remember too there is a chapter that's
called economic vitality that helps to
address and do these things that are in
the policies to do these things that are
in the vision to get those connections
but some of that also be aspirational
like I'll actively solicit for new
businesses in Central as a fall and
courage others of relocate here improved
inner city inner city mobility I just
seems like there's a section missing a
vitality or whatever you want to call it
but I just we're sort of a vacuum and
your Economic Development Manager so I
think that you'd want this for sure so
so ok can be visionary there is the
vision on page 69 of the central
Issaquah plan that's all about economic
development gives a vision for economic
development that has an economic
vitality goal and certain points to it
so I think that's covered there and we
could place the economic things within
these sections where they best fit I
think what Ron might be getting at and I
don't know thinking about it but we've
got these four sections and there's a
few bullet points in each that feel like
they almost don't fit but we want to
keep them so we're creating a category
called vibrant or whatever that word is
capture those ideas in a more clear way
and still still keep our similar
structure we don't have to dive into the
whole
economic vitality aspects of it but
these are these are bullets that are
already in other sections just trying to
wreak at agura's them is that way you're
kind of saying yeah I start a discussion
about what that might look like I just
feel that there's something missing and
that's kind of the direction that's
missing from what we're talking about as
we're going through these well there's a
there's a whole chapter on right well
technically all these are part of the
vision if you go deep into the document
also but now we're bringing them high
and center because these are important
values these are like the pillars of our
community the four pillars well are you
know there should be a fifth one finance
investment and prosperity and it's a
collaborative discussion so fun I would
have to deal it like a deck of cards to
see how they would all sift out I don't
think I can do it from memory I mean I
think that we did we did go over that
these buckets that there are things that
can go in multiple buckets but there's
also you know connect it could be part
of liveable I think that and there's
overlap and you could imagine this all
is sort of a Venn diagram but we wanted
to break it out and so I guess I I also
though see this economics is kind of in
mixed in with all these other parts and
maybe one option that doesn't involve
restructuring the whole thing would be
to just call it out at the bottom you
know so at liveable call it out as
as the economic component of liveable it
would be jobs and supporting local
businesses and those sorts of economic
parts of liveable and then whatever we
want to say about the economics and
connected and economics and distinctive
and just more clearly point out that
this is the economic component of that
aspect of division that the parentheses
are doing yes intended so so one of the
suggestions was to connect each of the
things within our buckets back to the
policy chapters so that's what the
friends are either environment economic
vitality urban community housing not on
this page but you could cluster each of
them and that could be the order right
somebody probably just said that I I
think yeah well right so I I think that
we talked about doing this and the last
meeting but we didn't see it and so now
that I see it as parenthesis I don't I
personally don't think I think that it
might work better to break it into the
sections and just have like the economic
component as I had mentioned and yeah
heading and then those bullets and then
the the it's just so it would just be
taking the parentheses and reorganizing
by the parentheses basically and then
not having people look to the header for
what the parentheses means okay so but
you're still you're not adding a
economic thing you're gonna keep all of
these ideas where they are so why don't
we go through them we have two more
sections to do and we've been there for
two hours already so that's afford like
to get through tonight unless you have a
real problem with you know you really
think that you should separate them I
like the idea of maybe making those for
sidebars or whatever but we can always
do that later so I think I think we're I
think we're down to just a few more
indistinctive I think we could do more
on cultural events and then on space
making something about creating
distinctive public spaces I think
calling that out in there that's one of
those things that really means
distinctive to me okay that will be my
unpacking of people places probably
because I didn't know what within
distinctive
so comes on using a couple things that I
wanted to throw out here is what about
identifying and protecting key view
corridors for distinctive yes so it does
have that at the beginning in the in the
first bullet has natural views could be
called out then recreational amenities
part of it family friendliness is
another thing that's really distinctive
about Issaquah and as other areas for
urbanized they've lost that and so I
think it's really important that we try
to keep that and and the biggest reason
it's it's gorgeous here and we don't
maintain it as well as we should so it
seems like when you go into the central
is squat area your entrances shouldn't
just be blackberries and jersey barriers
and so it seems like the maintenance
factor beautifully maintained or
something even if it's an urban
environment we have to keep it up you
know beautifully maintained create a
welcoming yes face for people within an
urban environment and and this is where
gateways or entrances might be
right so that you would know I have
entered it's a distinctive you and then
bar does your last component it goes
with art goes with culture history and
all that sort of stuff anyone else for
those images you should include one of
the art wrappings that we have around
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okay rolling down now we're to some kind
of weird yellow color there are words in
the yellow I can read them for you
transit streets bicycles and walking and
urban infrastructure
is bicycles and walking and we just take
the handout that's relevant palea
okay and Lindsay thank you for your
suggestions on the boxes so I'll go back
and look at yours and see if we'll pull
some more stuff in so yeah so okay
number one enhance the integration and
connectivity of a complete
transportation system across in between
modes for residents businesses and
visitors
I'd recommend shortening that one but
adding a word so it would say enhance
the integration accessibility and
connectivity of a complete
transportation system period because all
the rest is part of a complete
transportation system huh yeah okay
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recreation because our trails are part
of our transportation system and being
connected with our parks and trails and
everything seems and looking to see okay
I the trails somewhere okay number two
improved neighborhood connectivity and
remove barriers I would take out remove
barriers because I think all you need is
improve connectivity you do that by
removing barriers and making more
connections right you have to say it
specific word carry I sort of like
remove barriers only because I see these
little teeny tiny five-foot strips that
for some reason have been there for the
last thirty years and nobody wants to
move them and in and they don't even
think about removing barriers so for me
that's a tickler because they're
thinking new sidewalks new streets and
I'm thinking there's just by foot
landscaping strip so I sort of like it
only way I could use as a tool
everybody's getting quiet have another
cookie okay okay create safe travel
routes or it's liking that awesome human
size the grid Street pattern but it's
human size it's about here five six
according to me it's making smaller
blocks I think we can put some Tran
decoder on this one oh I think so it's
used as a verb but I think what we want
is a human size grid Street pattern
right but the other thing was I thought
that I think that the pictures of that
like like grid I'm just wondering if
there's a way we could get a better
picture maybe I can suggest one but a
picture that sort of shows more what we
mean in terms of blocks that we want to
have blocks and connectivity around it I
have an idea actually I have I have a
book that has a picture that I think in
here awesome look it's a very old book
I'll look into it
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okay write that plan for and support the
sound transit station I know this is
under connectivity or connection but
when you plan for it you want to plan
for it as a connection it's not just
enough that it's there so it has the
opportunity to bridge I 90 in a way that
can zip back together two sides of
Issaquah I like high occupancy transit
because we want we want way better
transit far before we get to write some
sort of best teeth situation so I don't
know if it's another bullet all together
but we need to work towards something
much better than we have right now so
this leaves that out in my mind and that
plays on something I was going to
suggest later which was is increased the
transit services and other
transportation services to Issaquah
besides st3 right because I think we're
gonna be able to transition over to
high-capacity transit before we get rail
and we just seem to skip that maneuver
so it's the pathway toward but so it's
increased improve existing plan for
future yes I mean immediately adding
additional bus routes your circulation
and I think these are two different
things
I mean I think so I agree completely
with that one we need to continually
increase our transit routes to add
ridership I think this one though is to
get us off high center and actually
start having a conversation about where
is the train station
we integrated in with our community so
that we can start planning for that
connectivity and the other pieces that
we ultimately need so okay
yes or just just spelling out Sound
Transit for some reason and Lightroom's
okay
okay provide organized and intuitive
wayfinding okay their science is that
that means where we wanted to also so
part of this is feeding into this idea
that we want to develop that brand and
develop a wayfinding plan so it's all
you know and it's it's not just like for
businesses and neighborhoods but it's
also for things like the trails you know
right now whether it's a king county
trail or a city trail or some other
trail the trail signage is not all
consistent and one of the comments that
were trying to get towards is to kind of
I'm gonna use that word harmonized
because it was a really good word and
now it's stuck in my head is to
harmonize the signage so that if your
trail user you know you now you catch in
your peripheral vision it's like oh wait
there's a trail sign whether it's King
County or is it quiet you don't care
because you're just using the trails
right so having some consistency so that
organized piece I think is is trying to
point us at let's let's be purposeful in
the signage that we have and maybe that
means actually doing a signage plan
I think hiking in Europe where they have
kind of whole countries have entire sign
networks that are all the same
yeah it's genius it's simple ingenious
same time consistent is that better than
organized yes I don't know if it is I
can do that
yeah and I have to see my office
organized is something different can I'm
sorry okay I understand all this but in
living it
I just expects that I'm gonna be bored
out of my ever living mind and when I
walk around communities that are that I
that I can get around easily I also have
fun and I enjoy I enjoy the entire
system and this is you have to have a
system it doesn't say you have to have
an interesting good system just says you
have to have that so it sort of doesn't
have any qualitative I'm gonna live here
and this is gonna be awesome thing it's
just that wow you're gonna be able to
get from here to there wear your gray
flannel suit okay
branded signage branded lace on it
embraces the brand of his apart
right now we don't have that brands
we're a little cart before the horse
into well I mean you can have a either a
sign that looks like it is regular
street sign or you could have a sign
that looks like if we say signage looks
like a street sign and then that's the
county's point it's boring tractive and
then that gets us toward that goal
without specifying that it has to be on
brand considering we don't really have
that idea there yet yeah I'm
wordsmithing thing and I don't know
about attractive okay I'm not sure about
so so I don't I don't I don't disagree
with where you guys are at I think
though it's more for me and distinctive
than it is in connectivity so
connectivity doesn't mean for me fun I
think the fun piece is more in the
distinctive part it's in this is what we
want our community to be we want it
whether it's a fish or you know outdoor
tree or whatever so that part of it is
us that's kind of the sole piece and I
think this is about we want to make sure
you can get around and that promotes
more getting around yeah I'm so done
this week I didn't know because if you
you don't make it attractive you don't
want to get around you just get in your
car and you're go because you've got
newspapers flapping around your ankles
and and you're in the weeds and it's
noisy and it's you know who goes right
so yeah
they've done that before so one thing is
this you know this document is largely
written for new developments but I don't
think the signage piece that we're
talking about is going to apply to them
because if it's going to be consistent
throughout the whole network it's going
to be a bigger body that oversees it and
one development will have a say over
what that signage type is going to be so
all this I think would could all come
out in a different whether it's parks or
in the city's weight finding I think it
all get works out it gets worked out
somewhere else anyway if if they have a
system then you can make the developer
so I put consistent in because if you've
adopted that plan that Mel is alluding
to then you have to be consistent with
that plan right and so I think that
without saying what that plan is I think
I think providing that direction here be
consistent is it great I think that was
a great ad I'm going to espouse just for
one more minute if you do you have
weather protection or anything like
weather protection it is in a number of
the neighborhoods but it's as I wander
around cities I want them to be safe I
don't want to get wet I want them to be
I don't want to get wet I want them to
be
well maintained and I actually want them
to be efficient because you want to at
most places you go to an angle and if
you're a commuter Walker and that's why
you have all your cuts across
everybody's grass is because people take
the angle and they go the shortest
routes I think you've made a few good
points about the weather and the
well-maintained I'm not sure how it fits
all into this they're good ideas
I don't know how weather fits into it I
mean we can't control all weather
protection for example when you're
sitting for your transit stop you want
shelters you don't want to be out in the
rain so I don't know if it's in
connected
I just know you aren't going to take the
bus if you have to stand in the rain I
can see a component of new development
mixed-use like canopies over sidewalks
like his estimate that we want or that's
something that yeah so how does that fit
into the whole connected our state you
know like things that are pathways
through or yes that's part of the future
that our contact if 'ti network utilizes
that I guess if you're getting down to
low yeah I'm not trying to eye
conversation is you're getting down to
low in expecting to put more stuff in
here that we already have in a later
I can say what my lens is because this
is a mandate we need to get people out
of their cars and so if the goal is to
get people out of their cars and using
other modes then success for me for this
is maybe not just connected it's not not
not using your cars and using all of
these great connections we have so
that's the sort of the lens that I'm
going more for on this maybe it's
livable Oh No
so there is the word efficient which i
think is a good word in there I'm
wondering if we can cover some of this
with convenience too because I I think
that in public transportation or in
transportation one thing you want is
convenient and so then you have the
things that are fun and that you want to
get to in the distinctive the local
goods the farmers market those are like
the fun things that you should be able
to get to but then you want to be able
to in connect it to be it to be
efficient convenient so I agree I wrote
down a fishing convenient it wants to
get in here somewhere
I also have temporarily put with create
safe travel road routes safe and
comfortable and I'm not sure I'm there
yet but we'll leave it there for now
anything else for I know we're good
we'll get there we're getting their
sales pace we're getting there all right
are we ready for Sustainable not quite
that that bullet that has the efficient
in it I like the efficient I like the
connected I think was the other one
but that bullets is redundant with the
first bullet it seems like in the bullet
that comes after that regarding the
telecommunications infrastructure so
just me to work on well I may be it is
redundant I had trouble with that
the a wide-range I just had trouble
understanding what it was getting at
that was different than the other ones
include choices that do not require
physical travel I mean is that different
than well I just didn't quite so but
then there's delivery so I think it's
getting at something that I'm not
understanding
so it's focusing on okay so sometimes we
try to be future focused sometimes we
don't
this one was trying to to say we should
envision a community that has a portion
of its community that maybe works from
home maybe relies on delivery services
so that's starting to do things a little
different one this one I'm I'm okay if
you guys scrap that one I
I sort of like the concept I don't think
I'm the fan of the exact words because
it's choosing not to travel because
there's other ways to fulfill your needs
I think it's what that's getting at
isn't it delivery telecommunications
drones that's exactly it flaming arrows
pigeon second half of that what meeting
is we have yesterday I don't well
literally no I got I got in trouble
because when we don't have a quorum
we're just supposed to shutter the doors
that we're not even supposed to sit here
and and right now so learning moment for
all of us I don't know everything if we
don't have a quorum we're just supposed
to shut down yep so that's we all
learned something okay so that was the
meeting we didn't have yesterday you
know I think that we can't get people to
work out of the house unless we provide
them with the infrastructure the
infrastructure which is telecommuting
abilities yep and so I think you can
divide that into two okay I think you
just keep the second from last bullet
yeah let it be yeah okay
does that'll support whatever happens
right okay you could take that part out
all right
so if we didn't get all the way through
this the last one I'm just gonna go last
one Connect central Issaquah to the rest
of the city and region allowing for Less
car trips per person within a denser
city center I don't really know what the
intent is I mean what are you gaining
from that then we haven't gotten all
ready it's the last traffic that's the
important piece there was one yes so
good fewer car trips be somewhere else
as an intent like up unconnected in the
green bird so reduce just reduced cart
or reduced car trips it's at campus now
I can't remember what's up there already
it just doesn't seem like that is an
over arching goal of it well you have
transportation choices up there so you
actually are saying if I like it okay
energy in the room is getting to a
vitally low level sustainable hey blue
thank you environmentally socially and
economically healthy meeting the needs
of current residents and businesses
without compromising future needs I know
this one got to be sentence II so sorry
about that I think we'll go back to
wordy okay number one promote
socio-economic diversity I see two
thumbs and blank looks alright zero
sorry I have a blank look because I was
on the meeting I was on this meeting
needs of current residents and
without compromising future needs I
guess to me that just it for a vision
statement that seems a bit negative that
we're gonna we're going to meet the
needs and we're not going to do things
that will hurt in the future but for a
vision it seems like we could word that
more towards how we're going to improve
in terms of sustainability or you know
have a sustainable trajectory but maybe
make it a little more positive yes we
can do that okay okay
create a connected open space and
recreational network okay
reclamation enhancement of degraded
sorry reclamation and enhancement of
degraded natural features and the
protection of riparian areas and
wildlife habitat are essential to the
success of central Issaquah that bullet
is kind of redundant with the one two
down yes yes a protection and
restoration instead of reclamation
enhancement or something like that
protect and reclaim I think of reclaim I
think of mine in there yeah I don't
think I haven't I
have a background in a lot of Landy's
and I also just the reclamation I'm not
sure that that captures what we want to
say okay so is it so it's so is there it
is
so if faint so it's negative gone to the
blackberries and part of this is to
clean them out
are we not reclaiming them as productive
open spaces I mean I don't want to be
the anti blackberry and and English ivy
guy apparently I do so I don't know so
is there a reclamation piece of this do
we have open spaces I mean I actually
walked past a wetland yesterday okay
restoration was there a store yeah okay
reclaim okay
do that okay
champion environmental stewardship
I like that it's part of our vision you
she's leaving out what wetlands which
one are you reading this
I'm reading you we would I like of
course I like champion environmental
stewardship this riparian areas well we
do like streams we have streams we have
wetlands and we have wildlife habitat
we have forested areas that are degraded
you should should they be clustered into
that's of a defined group and critical
areas or something like that I mean I
don't know it seems like if you name
some and you don't name others than the
others that's not there so so would you
rather be more specific or more general
more general for this more general so
maybe just natural areas mm-hmm the
stewardship of Natural Resources
camping the stewardship of Natural
Resources yeah we were still under one
he was talking about that in the one
above reclaim and enhance which we've
now reworded right it's either you have
to name everything or you have to do
something general yep I would vote for
general I'm not sure okay and it doesn't
read right the last are essential to the
success of I think you should eliminate
that and Jo with that yes store and
enhance natural feature
okay when you get to each neighborhood
then you could call out the specific
features per neighborhood right right
okay how about provide adequate
infrastructure what does that mean in
terms of sustainable well you know so
part of you know this one is this one's
a little difficult so part of it is
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there could be some criticism now that
growth has outstripped some of our local
infrastructure which is then caused an
impact on existing residents and
businesses so I think where this is
trying to head although maybe it needs
to be unpacked a little bit is you know
that the infrastructure needs to be keep
the pace with growth
I'm sure seems sure infrastructure keeps
pace with growth though you're using
ensure twice in a row I just like
supports future growth
okay or something like yeah
we'll get that one squared away okay
next one ensure growth pays its share
unless it's cool related it's just it
depends on your perspective I think I
think some people don't feel like they
do which is why we're gonna address the
concurrency plan and so as a developer I
can tell you that when you do pay
mitigation fees you don't have control
over where they're spent they can be
spent anywhere in the city and your
developments impacts might not be
mitigated with the funds that you paid
for mitigation someone else's impacts
may be mitigated instead so that's just
how it works I mean you could you guys
there's a policy board you could try to
change it because it doesn't work very
well the way it works do you want to do
we want to talk about that central
Issaquah plan supports itself and rather
than shoving its money out into the rest
of the city no no no you don't want to
do that I don't do that yeah that
shouldn't that that so I don't disagree
with that as a policy conversation this
community should have but not as part of
the visions for central Issaquah thank
you wherever I can I know you are trying
to hold the line somewhere that's kind
of what I was thinking is that I think
that maybe this is
a discussion that we should have as a
community and our having as a community
on multiple levels but I don't know that
it belong it that our vision is that
growth phase its share I think it
started back to what I think so what I
would see is it's just not very
aspirational it's maybe something that
we should discuss how to do but I don't
know that it fits in a vision is it like
a financial sustainability thing worth
that is that why this is on here
Management Act is that growth should pay
for itself in existing residents should
pay for growths impacts right right it's
there okay but but we're woefully high
behind on our impact fees and keeping up
with I get that's part of a bigger
picture I guess that just feels out of
place but it has to be said somewhere
it is said somewhere in the attendant
way yeah yeah so so yeah if it's not on
the vision yeah I'm taking it out
all right create a dense and vibrant
city center with the goods and services
necessary to meet daily needs
ah that's right put it put it somewhere
so it went into sustainability kind of
liked it and lived a little better but
it doesn't it's fine I kind of like it
and liveable too so I'm gonna move it
I'd be a model City for green
initiatives and smart city initiatives I
like that one specific all right I don't
know what it means I don't know what it
means either but so I if I don't know
what it means and she doesn't know what
it means then it means nothing to
because what what what is a green
initiative it's capitalized it must be a
real thing so that would my development
agreement we have to comply with the
what is that one one planet living yes
as the measures so there is a guide yeah
that I know what it is yes I think this
is a thing so I'm gonna do some research
and figure out in Rabbid the thing I
think that'd be a model City for those
initiatives I think we should be open to
those initiatives
I think that's work is that what we're
trying to say no I want to be
aspirational I want to be a leader
the Issaquah wants to be known for its
green and sustainable weight after you
want to inspire other yeah but you don't
start be a leader if everything else is
we claim recommend
he doesn't fit me the way in yeah I
think so
when you say smart city there is a whole
thing that is smart and gross yeah
and I if you I don't think it should be
a smart city should be a Smart Growth
initiative I will I will I will figure
out where I pulled these from because I
didn't make this up I got this from
somewhere so I'll unpack it and if
there's some references I'll point to
you guys at them and then we can have
another conversation about that but
because I agree with comments we don't
know what these are we don't then
they're no good but I think they
actually are something because they're
capitalized and I don't think I did that
randomly although I could yeah
somebody's never know all right you guys
is this a place to talk about climate
resilience and alternative energy or yes
like in the in the in this part of the
vision yeah yeah did you want to yes I
think we should address what would you
like to say is things okay I think we
should be heard climate climate
resilience you know climate somehow
resilient to climate change or I don't
know what the words are okay that's what
I'm after and alternate energy okay
there's actually some decent language in
a and a Parks thing talking about
resilience seeing how important it is
for green spaces to include this concept
of resilience in their planet so I'll
try to send that to Keith and see if he
can eat language
and the other one was yeah alternative
energy wrote that down got you
congratulations wait Stan we have gone
through that now we can do Lindsey's
vision okay so one two three four five
we have five different suggestions for a
vision statement for central is a qualm
okay is one of these the one that was at
the front yes this one with the ear that
Joan didn't like this one with the ear
this one's in the document now so this
one's the one that the administration
put forward I'm not gonna identify the
others because people asked for an
amenity I'm just kidding okay so I'll
give you guys some time to read these
since I don't think they were shared
where they shared Commission wide okay
so why don't you guys take some time to
read these and then let's talk about
what what yeah I know the chords in the
way sorry
then you can't get it all in there
fullscreen I'd show right next to this
it's that bigger smaller okay or
spending the next two hours wordsmithing
yeah we're not that picky
I'm a slow reader and I've read through
it so I'm assuming that you guys have
I've done it I'm gonna say what I want
then anybody else can come up to it
normally when you do it you have a
vision and then you have something
underneath it and I don't know what
that's called a statement of some kind
sustained but you have the vision first
and then there's some kind of whatever
and so I like the very first one because
it's short it says everything that we
need to say but then I'd like to take
some of this and and put it underneath
it not together not as part of the
vision but as a I don't have my email up
I could do you have a hard copy of it I
can know at least I think I can
like the supporting contact maybe that's
a paper ready so Joan what do you like
about the the first one is it the
quantum or is it the fact that it says
central Issaquah is and kind of provides
that as the visionary statement I think
it says everything that's had vision
safe and should say I just like the way
it flows I like I like it's the Cygnus I
don't think a vision statement should
have two or three or four sentences I
think it should be right there in front
of you and I don't think it needs all
that I just like it that's my thought I
don't you know you guys can do disagree
with me or come up with something
different
take one of your questions is is the
question of is blank or will be blank as
I can prefer is because this is our
vision of what it is
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instead of talking about evolution and
change we're talking about this is what
we see it is becoming I think I can put
Ron's up did you guys want to see it the
rest of Ron's so oh sorry
the gentleman who did the first one let
me see if this works super awesome we
can do some stuff it's pointed right
here so it's showing on the screen so it
should be up here
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alright I'm gonna say I can't figure
Ron's out cuz I'm not that smart
put that back so sorry figured it's not
another day I can read this cuz I'm I
can still read all right so centrally
the quad vision central Issaquah is
environmentally rich vibrant and
prosperous live work and play
urban community that connects people to
nature destinations and businesses
underneath it it says we are growing our
urban community into an inclusive live
work and play jobs market that serves as
a recreation gateway to the cascades is
connected to the heart of Puget Sound
via light rail and excels in school
academia located at the headwaters of
Lake Sammamish State Park we are flanked
by reaching forested mountains with
meandering salmon bearing streams and
have our own Salmon Hatchery located in
downtown we are a community that finds
innovative ways to strengthen sustained
and evolve with protecting our
environment tree canopy and views the
guide communicates the four central
pillars live work livable distinctive
connected and sustainability and how it
derives strength from is a quasi
overarching comprehensive plan and the
regional cascade agenda and the mounts
to Sound Greenway visions
not feeling the vision from it or like
the I don't know whether it's getting
too specific yeah yeah it talks a lot
about the different elements of Issaquah
without it time usually it's about the
city of Issaquah not necessarily about
central Issaquah maybe yeah so if you
start with central Issaquah will be a
distinctive and and use the rest of that
I mean I like the fact that it says
transition gracefully over time and it
accommodates businesses and so it kind
of covers a lot cities take off the
first sentence and you go into central
Mexico will be distinguished by
community amenities and really in a
relationship with the environment that
will serve residents and employees and
go from there I like that so I sent mine
in too late I sent it in it I think 5:30
so it wasn't up on here but mine is I
admittedly was not very creative so I
just took the I didn't like the first
the it happening because I don't know
what it is and and whites and quotes and
then I thought that central Itzik oh so
then just rearranging the first sentence
central itsuka will be livable and
vibrant city center for our city
comprised of thriving business and then
just the rest of it because I did like
the rest of it although I also did like
some of the more specifics about the
environment
in the previous persons one that was
read so what is the end here
what where we going from here what do we
propose do we like the first first
statement or do you want to do something
else so I like the first statement
although I would just suggest making
because live work and play is used as an
adjective but it makes it for me very
difficult to read especially if you're
not seeing live work and play all the
time as an adjective so I would just
maybe but hyphens or some some week
because otherwise I read it at with that
comma I live work and play and then it
just I get lost in that sentence well
how about if it said vibrant and
prosperous urban community where people
live work play and learn and then not
that connects people to nature important
yeah we've already talked about
environmental and I think that again
central is cause an environmentally rich
vibrant and prosperous urban community
where people live work play and learn
I like that but I do like somehow
keeping connect with nature because I
think that's specific to its akua's
vision versus I live work and play I
think is in a lot of cities visions I
also want to address the idea that we're
trying to create neighborhoods and a
much like I almost want to unpack the
idea of urban community to define what
we as Issaquah want as an urban
community in central Issaquah because
when people say urban community I'm not
sure if they think Seattle or Bellevue I
want to create our version of an urban
community so I'm not sure if that needs
a little bit of tweaking there
you shouldn't be able to just fill in
the blank with the first insert insert
name of city here it's like it's got to
be a supply yeah so other things that I
think of is maintaining our small-town
family-friendly feel well growing you
know something about that tells me a lot
about Issaquah do you want to do do you
want an I don't know I see it more in a
supporting statement than I do in the
envision we're not I mean we might we're
not a small town yes yes connected and
yes but I wouldn't say small town like
okay that's fine but still that that
feel of what makes us unique the the
family-friendly part was brought up
earlier like maybe that could cover some
of what we want without saying small
town charm or small town feel nice let's
talk about wanting to make sure that
it's centralist cause multi-generational
too so I don't know if we want to just
come right out and say
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they're open thoughts and if you want to
act just do any of that the language and
the second part cover what you're saying
we don't have to put all of that stuff
in there yeah yeah I know but if you
wanted I would put it in the in the
bigger state in there so what do you
mean by the second part cuz wait how I'm
seeing this document is basically you've
got the central a squad vision as a
statement and then the green necklace
section and then the central is a quad
neighborhood map so what comes right
after that statement that you're
thinking expands who you're saying take
that first statement on the left and
then combine it with combined so I would
put what the city is thing underneath it
but not part of the vision it's sort of
a supporting statement of do I don't
know what that's called it has a special
name abstract I've been really quiet I
think the vision mission goals and
objectives to talk about what you're
thinking about something that has a
different name and and I wasn't going to
forget you
we do have a I have to open up to public
comments so I'm fact I thought you were
going to sit there and be part of our
community here so well I absolutely
support that I think that's a fantastic
way to organize it I agree yeah
okay so but I would change what did you
all just agree on the vision first
statements that we were talking about
that yes Victoria had mentioned changing
the live work and play the way others
yes learned breeds they mention had
learned to that right okay well I'm week
beyond all that is starting from the
central Issaquah will be extinguished
okay okay and then you go into the green
necklace or whatever else are gonna go
into it with this I actually like the
sentence even above it that talks about
the connections and the transportation
but so I would just rearrange it so
Central Square will be livable vibrant
city center for a city comprised of this
and then the whole rest of it because I
liked I did like the text let's take
just not the beginning I was trying
honey so I had a few more things that I
could have included in my stuff as that
later description so neighborhoods in
central Issaquah have their own identity
is designed and appeal and it's easy to
walk bicycle use transit or Drive
between them as well as to the rest of
the Quan the region just kind of
something that visionary talks about a
neighborhood idea so send that to
already have to keep and see how you can
put that right we will we will repackage
a Frankenstein version of this and send
it out
tastic joke rewriting that and doing all
that thank you
yeah so we will okay so so before the
next meeting we will rework a vision
send it out to you guys feel free to
email read lines back and forth let's
try and get to the point where we maybe
have one to me
sure not amongst yourselves just to me
yeah and only those of you who want to
multiple people are doing that do you do
I was wondering about that do you have a
I mean is that convenient for you to
have multiple people sort of
wordsmithing okay so I mean if somebody
wants to completely restructure though
and everybody else is kind of just
wordsmithing
that's the but we kind of decided
tonight I'm gonna have to tell that one
person hey look you know everybody else
was on a different page I'm not gonna do
this you can bring it up at the next
meeting but if everybody's just
wordsmithing I can I can do that I've
done that before like I'm good I'm fine
with that you guys say now if you find
one device close because we agreed what
it's supposed to say so it just has to
tell us okay
so with that what I had envisioned is
the next time you'll get a red line of
this but I want us to get to those first
two neighborhoods and get through those
first two neighborhoods so we'll do that
on the 15th yeah if we get a quorum yeah
it's not it's not yeah I'm just saying
it's dictatorial at this point and then
another 28 so we'll do the other two
neighborhoods and then in theory we'll
be done
put up the dates again so yeah so so
small cell is the first I need you guys
to have at least a quorum on the first
so maybe you guys so so here's the deal
you know with some of our other
Commission's where we hit significant
workloads we and I assume the bylaws for
PPC allowed them to break into
subcommittees yeah so you guys could if
you want to say alright there's enough
of you that you could actually break
into two subcommittees and split some of
this works so you all don't have to come
every Thursday if that's a problem but
if you'd rather just say look let's
let's suck it up and do it and then then
it gets easier after we're done with
this work item which I think it does can
you explain how the subcommittee's would
work with the quorum and the alternates
and that is it the same thing you just
need for regular members no four members
total so alt with alternates and
regulars you'd break into two pieces
but to have a quorum you need four so
you need to have at least four at each
meeting to be able to vote on stuff
having trouble is getting a quorum and
joy it's probably going to be out for a
while but it might be hard to get four
and four okay
can we maybe do a show of hands either
do we have a sense if we have enough
people for any of those well I have
three people for February first I've
heard back from three Vicki Lindsey and
John but I just sent it out this morning
oh did you say okay
I haven't sent you but I can do it okay
you can do the first round I can do this
okay nice time I'll be there
thank you okay so when you do the first
you have to watch yeah something that
didn't happen on wise you will not
understand
yeah it's seven you know on that first
meeting we could just knock it out okay
great I could give it cuz I already sent
the links so that would be good yep yep
okay and so tomorrow morning I will send
a link I will send a save the date for
the fifteenth because you probably maybe
don't know your schedule at this point
so the 8th is not so they although
obviously we want as many commissioners
as possible the eighth and the
twenty-second we don't need to have a
quorum well apparently I do need to have
a quorum otherwise we're not having a
meeting I don't know I got a pact that
with my boss gave me a very definitive
answer today so but we're also gonna
have park board so it could potentially
be a park board meeting if PPC doesn't
have a quorum I don't know well they're
regular PPC nights so we should have a
quorum yeah I'm the age limit of 20
seconds I'm not prejudging I know right
it's just Wednesdays are hard for us one
clarification on that so we're having
like at the Charette on the 8 yeah and
then what's happening on the 22nd just
an extension of that are well and so
that's you know so your chair and I
talked a little bit before and I wasn't
at those planning meetings so you're
gonna need to talk to Kristin and Trish
on whether or not so the question was
raised do you need to have two meetings
for the green necklace the thought was
that the first meeting is location of
all the places and how is it actually
linked and that this once you've figured
out the whole network then the second
meeting would be the character what does
it all look like how does it all feel so
that
we have a better chance of having it
happen the way that we'd like it to
happen so that's how they were breaking
it down into two well we can always see
how we do on that meeting on the eighth
and if we end up getting farther through
we could potentially put something in on
the ranked 22nd right and you'll have
the park board too and we'll be in the
Eagle room on the 8th - and I'll send
that out and it's on here but I'll send
that out as well and Trish and I are
making subcommittees because we have two
meetings that night so I'll be at Landon
Shore and she'll be a PPC on the 8th so
I really liked having homework it meant
that I came to the meeting very focused
on what we were gonna do and I had pre
pulled together my thoughts on that do
we have anything that we maybe should be
looking at ahead of time for this next
the neighborhood's the first two
neighborhoods right let me so let me
spend a little time on those
neighborhoods because as we saw earlier
they've not been touched for a month and
they could use some some wordsmithing so
so let me take a little bit of a whack
at that and I'll send that to Kristin
and then she can get it in the right
format because I'm gonna be in Vegas
from Saturday on so we'll have to do
things romantic I think that Wi-Fi in
Vegas
a Python small cells are we doing
anything on kind of the structure of how
we're putting the information in the
neighborhoods so last last we talked I
thought we were fairly committed to the
structure which is the developer
obligations so there's basically the
four buckets and then three sections
developer obligations city implementing
actions and measures of success
so if we're sticking with that structure
then I'm just going to wordsmith within
that structure and try and go back to
the buckets now that because they've
evolved a little bit and make sure that
we have connectivity between the bullets
and the buckets okay and then what was
the section above this on like the
information about the neighborhood so
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yeah it's not an old version this is an
older version okay but it was the one
that I knew I had the neighborhood's in
it so there's the section I just met the
description of each of the neighborhoods
so if there was anything that structure
wised I can't remember it's been I don't
think we did anything up front to kind
of pre describe the neighborhoods until
you actually get there so we talked
about that it makes sense if we're at
the point that I would say that we're
probably sticking with the structure so
it's just a matter of us wordsmithing
right great we decided to stick with the
last time and granted starting over
again
are we kind of so we'll get that
information and you actually can pull
that up now and yet start looking at it
and seeing if you agree with what Keith
comes up with but this was set up as a
out of the forum and I haven't had a
problem before so I was going to open up
the public forum and a steam if you
would like or or either one of you I
know that I've never opened a public
forum at 9:30 but if you would like to
say something say she didn't say Joan
congratulations
so a couple thoughts
I guess one is we've talked about why
the central is well planned or central
there's got to be a prosperous or
prosperous area we define that in there
I don't know that we've talked I don't
know we're gonna get to making sure the
vision talks about the environment and
the green necklace I'm just concerned
with losing that overall scope of
putting that environmental feel central
to what that vision is I know we have an
Office of Economic Development
I don't know we have an office of being
a green jewel I don't know who
specifically is responsible for
maintaining that green jewel outside of
the perks area is that the parks
department is responsible for that even
though it's not a park area
okay I just want make sure that gets
incorporated yeah because that's a big
unknown yet please keep up the good work
thank you see you don't have to let me
introduce you this is mrs. Kim Pearson
so she's a graduate student at the
University of Washington School Evans
School of Public Administration and so I
invited him to come see how a great what
you're saying she's more qualified than
all of us yeah so thank you for your
play we sit in it was really interesting
to see you work there your visions do
you need to oh sure go okay yeah so
thank you for letting me sit in here I
guess it's open to the public of course
but yeah we covered vision statements
missions goals and one of my public
policy classes so it was interesting to
see it kind of in action in local
government and so thank you and thank
you because now I know it's a vision
statement and then a mission statement
yeah that's where it comes from so
seeing nobody else in the audience I'm
going to close the
9:35 is there any more anything good for
the order Trish do we need to do
anything else
no I've said the minutes in the next
packet not the park board packet but the
fifteenth I'll put all the minutes in
there like we did last point well I
think the homework is to look at the
first two I can send it out specifically
so people will know to do it because
people remember and think it's spot on
so Trish don't send them out to like it
a chance to update them okay okay so if
there's nothing for the good of the
order anything else I'm going to close
the meeting at 9:36 thank you Oh awesome
job
you