Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, April 23, 2015 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

packet pp.3

Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Jan 22, 2015

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Staff report:

Planning Policy Commission About Contacts Created in 1983, this commission serves as a policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides guidance and direction for Issaquah’s Staff Liaison future growth through continued review and improvement to the Trish Heinonen, Planning City’s Comprehensive Land Use Plan and related land use Manager documents. Email

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Meeting Minutes from March 5, 2015

packet pp.5–10

Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Jan 22, 2015

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION MINUTES

3. AGENDA ITEMS

PUBLIC HEARING: Proposed Issaquah Municipal Code (IMC) Amendments to the Land Use Code

Peter Rosen, Environmental Planner · packet pp.11–31

Topics: Land Use

Previously discussed: Planning Policy Commission · Apr 8, 2015

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Staff report:

There are two sets of proposed Land Use Code Amendments to be reviewed by Planning Policy Commission. They are:

Proposed 2016 - 2021 Transportation Improvement Program

Gary Costa, Transportation Manager · packet pp.33–164

Topics: Transportation

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Staff report:

CITY OF ISSAQUAH Public Works Engineering 1775 - 12th Ave NW | P.O. Box 1307 WASHINGTON Issaquah, WA 98027 425-837-3400 issaquahwa.gov

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3:55 ↗ public to do in a long long

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4:10 ↗ City yeah my other

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4:22 ↗ well without our fearless

4:24 ↗ leader uh welcome everybody to

4:27 ↗ the April 23d meeting of the planning

4:30 ↗ policy commission welcome everybody

4:33 ↗ that's here in the audience this there

4:35 ↗ is going to be a public hearing today

4:37 ↗ thank you so much for for your interest

4:39 ↗ in coming this evening first of all we

4:42 ↗ have on our agenda an approval of the

4:45 ↗ minutes for March 5th do I have a motion

4:48 ↗ on the floor um not not yet there there

4:51 ↗ is um one issue that I wanted to correct

4:53 ↗ in the minutes on page 7 of 164 in our

4:56 ↗ packets if we have a if we have a motion

4:58 ↗ then we can have a disc discuss

4:59 ↗ discussion I'll make a motion to uh do I

5:02 ↗ have a

5:03 ↗ second okay now a discussion uh as far

5:06 ↗ as discussion um on page seven of 164 in

5:10 ↗ our

5:10 ↗ packets um under Venit

5:14 ↗ Wah's um paragraph just want to correct

5:17 ↗ the end of the third line that it is not

5:19 ↗ a detention Pond but a retention

5:28 ↗ pond anything

5:30 ↗ else nothing for

5:33 ↗ me

5:36 ↗ so we have a motion on the

5:39 ↗ floor we have a uh with the exception of

5:44 ↗ the new change in wording that uh just a

5:47 ↗ correction it really doesn't change

5:50 ↗ the the minutes but it does make a

5:53 ↗ change so um all those in favor of

5:55 ↗ approving the minutes with the

5:58 ↗ clarification from detention to

6:01 ↗ retention please say

6:03 ↗ I thank you very much everybody is

6:07 ↗ approved or that the minutes are

6:10 ↗ approved so we're going to go and before

6:13 ↗ we start the public hearing tonight we

6:14 ↗ are going to have a present several

6:15 ↗ presentations to uh see what the city is

6:19 ↗ doing and what their plans are so the

6:21 ↗ first presentation we have this evening

6:24 ↗ is David Rosen and he's going to talk

6:27 ↗ about the wet Peter Rosen my brother's

6:30 ↗ David how' you know the Wetland rating

6:31 ↗ system that uh has to be changed based

6:35 ↗ on what the state is doing so Peter okay

6:37 ↗ thank you hi uh my name is Peter Rosen

6:40 ↗ I'm the city's environmental planner and

6:42 ↗ um so I'm here tonight for some proposed

6:46 ↗ amendments to the city's critical area

6:48 ↗ regulations and to the Wetland section

6:51 ↗ of that

6:53 ↗ specifically and um so the state

6:56 ↗ department of ecology adopted a new

6:58 ↗ Wetland r rating system and our current

7:01 ↗ code references the 2004 Wetland rating

7:06 ↗ system so the purpose of of the

7:08 ↗ Amendments is to reference in our code

7:11 ↗ the

7:12 ↗ 2014 new um Department of ecology

7:16 ↗ Wetland rating system um

7:20 ↗ doe has written that the Wetland rating

7:22 ↗ system and it provides a a common

7:25 ↗ technical scientifically

7:27 ↗ validated manual and a method that all

7:30 ↗ jurisdictions and agencies can use to um

7:34 ↗ and it's used to characterize and

7:37 ↗ measure Wetland functions there's three

7:39 ↗ Wetland functions water quality

7:41 ↗ hydrologic and habitat and so the

7:44 ↗ Wetland rating form gives scores to

7:47 ↗ these different functions and um that

7:51 ↗ then determines the Wetland

7:53 ↗ category and depending on the Wetland

7:56 ↗ category that um the Wetland category

7:59 ↗ determines Wetland buffer widths and

8:02 ↗ also mitigation requirements so if you

8:04 ↗ have a higher quality Wetland one that

8:07 ↗ provides high quality um ecological

8:11 ↗ functions um the buffers requirements

8:14 ↗ are greater and if the Wetland is being

8:17 ↗ impacted the mitigation requirements are

8:19 ↗ greater

8:21 ↗ um so the Amendments really are just

8:27 ↗ um to adopt the wet rating system it's

8:30 ↗ not at all intended to change buffer

8:34 ↗ requirements I want to be clear about

8:36 ↗ that um doe when they um devised the new

8:41 ↗ system they went out to over 200

8:45 ↗ Wetlands using the existing system and

8:47 ↗ the new one and scored them to determine

8:51 ↗ that there wouldn't really be an effect

8:53 ↗ on on on

8:54 ↗ buffers so

8:57 ↗ um the amendments the the first part of

9:01 ↗ the Amendments is just uh the

9:03 ↗ description of the categories of the

9:05 ↗ wetlands and then the second part of the

9:08 ↗ Amendments goes into the um to the

9:12 ↗ buffer requirements and it just changes

9:14 ↗ the scores of the wetlands because of

9:16 ↗ the new scoring system so that's

9:19 ↗ really uh the gist of of um of what the

9:23 ↗ Amendments entail is is is just those

9:26 ↗ two things is a description of the

9:27 ↗ different categories and then changing

9:30 ↗ the scoring

9:32 ↗ um to correspond it to to buffers so

9:36 ↗ that the buffers are not changing it's

9:37 ↗ just um the scoring that's changing so

9:42 ↗ and

9:43 ↗ um it's pretty it's pretty much required

9:46 ↗ that the city adopt this

9:49 ↗ um there you know if if the city really

9:52 ↗ had some major objections to it we could

9:54 ↗ work with doe to to make some changes

9:57 ↗ but as I mentioned at the outset um it's

10:01 ↗ been it it it's been devised as a common

10:04 ↗ methodology for all jurisdiction so that

10:07 ↗ um all the agencies the Army Corps of

10:10 ↗ Engineers um the state Washington

10:13 ↗ department of ecology and local

10:14 ↗ jurisdictions are all using a common

10:16 ↗ methodology to um characterize uh and

10:20 ↗ rate

10:21 ↗ Wetlands um here to answer any questions

10:25 ↗ from the commission um go ahead I I just

10:28 ↗ have one one small question under um

10:30 ↗ 18.10 620 under the proposed amendment

10:34 ↗ um paragraph

10:36 ↗ A1 it seems that just for wording and

10:41 ↗ and smooth flow uh we could take

10:44 ↗ paragraph A1 and just move that whole

10:46 ↗ sentence back into paragraph a which I

10:48 ↗ think would make the whole statute read

10:50 ↗ better it's kind of a lead into the

10:52 ↗ categories and explains sorry I'm not

10:54 ↗ following where where you're talking

10:55 ↗ about which section you're talking about

10:57 ↗ um so 18.1 .2 or 620 paragraph A1 which

11:03 ↗ is current currently reads as stricken

11:06 ↗ from the statute from the new

11:08 ↗ statute um Wetlands as defined by this

11:12 ↗ chapter shall be classified into

11:13 ↗ category 1 through four as follows um I

11:16 ↗ I would propose taking that sentence and

11:19 ↗ reinserting it at the end of paragraph

11:23 ↗ a and then leaving the rest as follows

11:26 ↗ because where it currently stands we

11:27 ↗ just uh talk about that it contains the

11:30 ↗ method for determining the Wetland

11:32 ↗ category um but as far as readability I

11:35 ↗ think leaving that wording from

11:37 ↗ paragraph A1 and moving it back into

11:39 ↗ paragraph a uh would just provide a

11:43 ↗ little bit more clarity in the statute

11:44 ↗ over I when I was doing this I I was

11:46 ↗ kind of debating whether to keep that

11:49 ↗ sentence or not so I I think that's uh

11:51 ↗ that that would be useful I don't it

11:54 ↗ doesn't change any of the the context or

11:58 ↗ or um

11:59 ↗ the substance of the Amendments and it

12:01 ↗ might make it more clear so um I I I

12:05 ↗ think that's probably a good

12:06 ↗ recommendation so does the state have

12:08 ↗ any requirements for the language that

12:12 ↗ it has to be exactly the same or or can

12:15 ↗ you

12:16 ↗ basically so um the language regarding

12:20 ↗ the categories the description of the

12:22 ↗ categories of the wetlands come straight

12:24 ↗ from the state and um I think there

12:27 ↗ would be a bit of a problem with

12:29 ↗ changing some of that

12:32 ↗ um um I

12:34 ↗ mean unless there was a a a good reason

12:38 ↗ to do that description yeah so the

12:40 ↗ description of of the categories of the

12:42 ↗ wetlands come straight comes straight

12:43 ↗ from the state and from the Wetland

12:45 ↗ rating

12:48 ↗ system anybody else have any questions I

12:51 ↗ I I have one just overall overarching

12:54 ↗ question um do you know or are you aware

12:56 ↗ of what the impetus was to the move on

12:59 ↗ the new rating system it just seems a

13:01 ↗ little arbitrary as opposed moving from

13:03 ↗ a z to 100 to a 9 to

13:06 ↗ 27

13:07 ↗ um um well I don't know necessarily in

13:11 ↗ terms of the scoring I mean there's

13:13 ↗ there's a lot of changes to the

13:15 ↗ questions in the form and I think they

13:17 ↗ just wanted to simplify some of the the

13:20 ↗ scoring but

13:23 ↗ um I think that the the reason for

13:26 ↗ overall for the changes is is because of

13:29 ↗ of some of the changes in the science in

13:31 ↗ Wetland science regarding how to how to

13:34 ↗ quantify ecological functions that

13:36 ↗ wetland provide so that that was the

13:38 ↗ impetus for the change is is just is

13:41 ↗ it's U went through a long process with

13:43 ↗ doe of peer review scientific peer

13:46 ↗ review and so it's really based around

13:49 ↗ more accurately um measuring what L

13:53 ↗ ecological functions okay so just

13:54 ↗ keeping with best available science

13:57 ↗ yes

13:59 ↗ going from 0 to 100 to 9 to 28 kind of

14:05 ↗ shortens the um an ability to be you

14:10 ↗ know it it makes it more clear that to

14:12 ↗ to make it closer together than having

14:14 ↗ this wide variety of 100 different well

14:17 ↗ you're 98 instead of 92 so it's kind of

14:20 ↗ shortens that as far as I'm concerned

14:23 ↗ yeah anybody

14:25 ↗ else thank you okay eer

14:31 ↗ um next we have

14:34 ↗ the infamous Christopher Wright to talk

14:38 ↗ about

14:42 ↗ uh changes in the far word fire firewood

14:46 ↗ uh stipulation in the municipal code

14:50 ↗ thank you madam chair uh yes my name is

14:52 ↗ Christoper Wright and I'm with the

14:53 ↗ city's development services department

14:56 ↗ and I am here uh to present to you a

14:57 ↗ proposed code Amendment having to do

14:59 ↗ with the storage of firewood in

15:01 ↗ residential areas and the the kind of

15:04 ↗ the impetus the origin of of this code

15:06 ↗ Amendment does come from uh an issue uh

15:09 ↗ issues in a particular neighborhood and

15:11 ↗ there there are some residents from that

15:13 ↗ neighborhood here tonight so uh when I'm

15:15 ↗ done you have a chance to kind of I

15:16 ↗ think hear both sides of that story but

15:19 ↗ what we're proposing as far as what the

15:21 ↗ city proposes is pretty straight forward

15:23 ↗ um and there's two kind of main goals

15:26 ↗ one is to uh it's mostly clarification a

15:29 ↗ uh that would uh list uh The Cutting uh

15:33 ↗ storage and sale of firewood as as

15:35 ↗ prohibited as a a home occupation as a

15:38 ↗ home business and that's like I said

15:40 ↗ there mostly clarification because as as

15:42 ↗ our uh code has been for a long time uh

15:46 ↗ we have not allowed uh home occupations

15:49 ↗ that that have outdoor storage or that

15:52 ↗ are exceptionally loud or are more than

15:55 ↗ 500 square ft so those are all criteria

15:57 ↗ that are already in the the code for

15:59 ↗ home occupations and there's been

16:02 ↗ several that have list been listed as

16:03 ↗ prohibited like you know auto repairs

16:06 ↗ and you know manufacturing kind of stuff

16:09 ↗ and and so this would just be clarifying

16:11 ↗ and adding uh the sale of firewood as as

16:14 ↗ not permitted as a home occupation the

16:17 ↗ other part uh which is kind of more

16:19 ↗ significant has to do with uh for uh

16:22 ↗ firewood that's for personal use then uh

16:25 ↗ how regulating how much you can have and

16:28 ↗ then where

16:29 ↗ uh and how it is stored on your lot and

16:32 ↗ uh you you'll see in the proposed code

16:34 ↗ Amendment there's a maximum of five

16:36 ↗ cords of wood uh that would be allowed

16:39 ↗ uh to be stored on a residential

16:41 ↗ property and there there's nothing

16:42 ↗ particularly magical about that number

16:44 ↗ we did some research and we found that

16:46 ↗ um say between four and five cords of

16:49 ↗ wood may be enough to uh provide so heat

16:52 ↗ for an average size house in the

16:54 ↗ Northwest for maybe a couple of years um

16:58 ↗ and that would allow some to be dried

17:00 ↗ while some is being used so like I said

17:03 ↗ that that was how we came up with that

17:05 ↗ number but I think more importantly than

17:07 ↗ that uh is where and how it the wood

17:11 ↗ would be stored and what we're proposing

17:12 ↗ is it' be stored in the side or or rear

17:15 ↗ yard not stacked higher than six feet um

17:19 ↗ and mostly that is most similar to oh

17:22 ↗ and that that we encourage screening as

17:24 ↗ well and where that all came from it's

17:27 ↗ most similar to the storage like a boat

17:29 ↗ or a trailer or an RV on a residential

17:32 ↗ lot that has similar language and that

17:34 ↗ it needs to be stored in the side or the

17:36 ↗ rear yard and screening is encouraged so

17:39 ↗ that's where that wording came from um

17:42 ↗ but like I said it it's pretty straight

17:44 ↗ forward it seems to be a a reasonable uh

17:48 ↗ Amendment uh that would then be

17:51 ↗ established

17:53 ↗ Citywide if you have any questions I'm

17:55 ↗ I'm available what prompted this

17:59 ↗ well like I said there's been an issue

18:00 ↗ in a neighborhood with uh with a a wood

18:06 ↗ sales being used uh as a home occupation

18:09 ↗ and also uh how that's being stored you

18:12 ↗ you'll hear more about it in a minute

18:14 ↗ but that's where it came from and we

18:16 ↗ looked at some other cities too to see

18:17 ↗ if they had similar regulations and we

18:19 ↗ didn't find a whole lot but there are a

18:20 ↗ few other cities that have similar

18:25 ↗ regulations so you said you didn't find

18:27 ↗ a lot is

18:29 ↗ so can you explain on that I mean yeah

18:32 ↗ well we we looked at uh we kind of asked

18:35 ↗ around to see what other cities had just

18:37 ↗ to get an idea of uh you know whether

18:40 ↗ there size limits or storage limits and

18:43 ↗ there were several cities that also uh

18:45 ↗ said not uh that prohibited storage in

18:48 ↗ the front yard and limited it to side

18:51 ↗ and rear

18:55 ↗ um what we didn't find is another city

18:58 ↗ that had that specified a maximum

19:00 ↗ although a couple cities had three

19:02 ↗ chords as a rule of thumb how about

19:04 ↗ others that regulated home occupation or

19:07 ↗ the occupation um yeah it didn't we

19:10 ↗ didn't find that

19:12 ↗ anywhere um is

19:15 ↗ there any reason that um storage or sale

19:20 ↗ of firewood as far as opposed to cutting

19:24 ↗ um I mean you you talked of noise

19:26 ↗ complaints um is there any reason that

19:29 ↗ Simply Storage of sale of fire would

19:31 ↗ would have

19:33 ↗ a need to be regulated in and of

19:36 ↗ itself as opposed to The Cutting well

19:39 ↗ like I said for for home occupations

19:42 ↗ today uh no outdoor storage is permitted

19:46 ↗ so there's no other Home occupations

19:48 ↗ that allow outdoor storage so this is

19:50 ↗ just in keeping with that but like I

19:52 ↗ said one of the another thing that so

19:56 ↗ that with a home occupation what the

19:58 ↗ main thing is to maintain the

20:00 ↗ residential character right that that is

20:02 ↗ supposed to look feel sound like a house

20:06 ↗ right and that the business is just kind

20:08 ↗ of secondary and and you might not even

20:10 ↗ know that it's there

20:12 ↗ and for a a home occupation like this

20:16 ↗ you know there's a lot of trucks in and

20:17 ↗ out all the time and there's the outdoor

20:19 ↗ storage you know it just doesn't

20:20 ↗ maintain that residential character

20:22 ↗ that's our biggest concern okay and and

20:25 ↗ just kind of going down um

20:29 ↗ root of hypotheticals here um what if

20:33 ↗ the firewood were stored inside a garage

20:37 ↗ that make a

20:38 ↗ difference that would certainly be

20:40 ↗ allowed I mean um and I'm talking for

20:43 ↗ for storage or sale or or would the

20:45 ↗ traffic concerns still be still be

20:49 ↗ there um well there's other regulations

20:52 ↗ that that other criteria that apply to a

20:54 ↗ home occupation like said how much area

20:56 ↗ it's Tak how much much like I said

20:58 ↗ there's a maximum on 500 square feet for

21:00 ↗ home occupation the number of traffic

21:03 ↗ trips so

21:06 ↗ um it it it depends we would have to

21:10 ↗ look at that yeah and what what I'm

21:12 ↗ getting at is you know if someone is

21:13 ↗ meeting all the other requirements of

21:15 ↗ the home business code and we simply

21:18 ↗ prohibit um cutting a firewood as a

21:22 ↗ homebased business it seems like all the

21:24 ↗ other regulations would still apply in

21:25 ↗ any homebased businesses that violate

21:28 ↗ that would still be subject to code and

21:30 ↗ do we need a you know if someone's keeps

21:33 ↗ a couple quarts of wood in their garage

21:35 ↗ and they sell it and it's one trip every

21:37 ↗ you know twice a year um would that

21:40 ↗ necessarily be violating the residential

21:43 ↗ character of the neighborhood as opposed

21:45 ↗ to if you know if they're out there

21:46 ↗ cutting every week I'm just trying to

21:48 ↗ see where a proper line may may fall

21:51 ↗ yeah it it could be possible uh to meet

21:55 ↗ the

21:56 ↗ criteria um

21:58 ↗ it's not likely and it hasn't been our

22:01 ↗ experience um but just like there's a

22:04 ↗ difference between you know people can

22:06 ↗ have garage sales you know you can

22:07 ↗ occasionally have a garage sale and

22:09 ↗ there's a difference between that and

22:12 ↗ you know running a consignment shop out

22:14 ↗ of your garage you know you kind of know

22:15 ↗ it when you see it yeah but the trips

22:17 ↗ and visitations are already Limited in

22:18 ↗ the code right right so if someone were

22:20 ↗ violating those um there could be code

22:23 ↗ enforcement actions right right yeah it

22:26 ↗ says in this home occupation um I just

22:29 ↗ had it

22:30 ↗ here that for trips traffic trips the

22:33 ↗ home occupation by itself shall not

22:35 ↗ generate more than 20 vehicle trips a

22:37 ↗ day except the home dayc carees may have

22:39 ↗ many trips as required you know it seems

22:43 ↗ like I I mean just guessing I would

22:46 ↗ assume that someone selling wood is not

22:48 ↗ going to have more than 20 trips a

22:51 ↗ day no that's true but it's it's it's

22:54 ↗ it's the type of you know again it

22:56 ↗ maintain that meenal character it's the

22:58 ↗ type of trip right and that's for you

23:00 ↗ know just wondering if there's any way

23:01 ↗ you know someone someone's trying to

23:04 ↗ make a living or doing something and

23:06 ↗ they're trying to accommodate certain

23:08 ↗ codes they might be able to make it work

23:11 ↗ by following you know making the

23:12 ↗ exceptions I'm just wondering if there's

23:14 ↗ a way to do something like that

23:18 ↗ but we have tried verification when

23:22 ↗ you're talking 20 trips that's 10 in and

23:24 ↗ 10 out right it is right just so you're

23:27 ↗ clear it's not 20 different

23:33 ↗ trucks so even 10 even 10 for a day I

23:36 ↗ would assume no I understand but but

23:38 ↗ it's not 20 different

23:41 ↗ trucks

23:44 ↗ um was this happening for a long time

23:48 ↗ was there a business happening in a

23:50 ↗ certain certain home somewhere in isqua

23:53 ↗ for a extended period of time it's been

23:56 ↗ an issue that we've been dealing with

23:57 ↗ with for a few years yeah and there was

24:00 ↗ a period of time where we uh allowed it

24:02 ↗ as a home occupation assuming that the

24:05 ↗ criteria would be able to be met just

24:07 ↗ like you said and in this particular

24:09 ↗ case the criteria were not able to be

24:12 ↗ maintained and so that business license

24:14 ↗ was

24:18 ↗ revoked and so if the the business

24:21 ↗ license was revoked I mean what what's

24:22 ↗ the need for legislation on this issue

24:25 ↗ is it a continuing like I said it's it's

24:27 ↗ more of a clar ification because the

24:28 ↗ code was silent on whether it would be

24:30 ↗ allowed as a home occupation or not and

24:32 ↗ now we're just clarifying that it would

24:33 ↗ not be allowed you said certain aspects

24:36 ↗ weren't able to be maintained which

24:37 ↗ aspects weren't able to be maintained in

24:39 ↗ this particular case uh the outdoor

24:42 ↗ storage piece

24:46 ↗ mostly does outdoor does say if you

24:49 ↗ built the out buing would

24:51 ↗ that how does that qualify into indoor

24:54 ↗ or outdoor well uh again if it was in

24:57 ↗ the side or rear what we're proposing

24:59 ↗ here is if it was in the side or rear

25:01 ↗ yard you know whether it's in a shelter

25:05 ↗ or not it wouldn't you know I'm just

25:07 ↗ thinking of Like Home Depot you go and

25:08 ↗ buy one of those $500 sheds and you can

25:11 ↗ put all your wood in there does that

25:13 ↗ qualify you know what qualifies as

25:15 ↗ indoor or

25:20 ↗ outdoor what I have a problem with is

25:23 ↗ the uh setting by the city of how much

25:26 ↗ firewood you can actually have have I

25:28 ↗ you know I figure that if you can store

25:30 ↗ it neatly on the side or back of your

25:32 ↗ house and you have a big enough area to

25:34 ↗ do that and it's covered up I'm not sure

25:37 ↗ if I want the city to regulate only five

25:41 ↗ cords of

25:43 ↗ wood I actually had that same thought

25:45 ↗ and it occurred to me that there's no

25:47 ↗ provision in there um you know for for

25:50 ↗ chickens we have a code three chickens

25:54 ↗ per 6,000 ft of property and and there's

25:57 ↗ no such provision here you could have

25:59 ↗ acres and still be limited to five

26:04 ↗ chords yeah I mean I understand that and

26:07 ↗ and it's where and how it's screen is

26:10 ↗ more important like I said than the the

26:12 ↗ the amount so again that's something you

26:14 ↗ know if I go by city code then I have to

26:17 ↗ go by city code and it says five cords

26:20 ↗ of wood

26:21 ↗ therefore if I lived on 20 acres I could

26:25 ↗ still only have five cords of wood which

26:28 ↗ doesn't make sense to

26:30 ↗ me anybody else have

26:34 ↗ anything okay thank you chis don't go

26:37 ↗ away I'll be right

26:39 ↗ there um at this time it's

26:42 ↗ uh

26:46 ↗ 657 I'm going to open the public hearing

26:50 ↗ anybody who is uh wants to speak this

26:52 ↗ evening should be signed up on this list

26:55 ↗ uh There are rules that we go by by uh

26:58 ↗ just like the city council and that's a

27:00 ↗ a minimum a maximum of five minutes I

27:03 ↗ think that's that's a lot of time so be

27:05 ↗ succinct and and tell us what you think

27:08 ↗ and why we should be you know what you

27:11 ↗ bring to our discussion so uh with that

27:14 ↗ and since I've opened the the public

27:17 ↗ hearing uh the first name on the on the

27:20 ↗ list is John

27:22 ↗ Barrett please come to the microphone

27:24 ↗ State your your name and address thank

27:28 ↗ you madam chairman my name is John

27:29 ↗ Barnett I reside at 2095 Southeast 83rd

27:32 ↗ place in isqua it's approximately 3 and

27:35 ↗ a half acres and I've been there for in

27:38 ↗ excess of seven years can I ask you to

27:41 ↗ speak a little L yes is that better yes

27:43 ↗ please thank you sorry about that my

27:45 ↗ great-grandfather was John J golden the

27:48 ↗ founder of Goldendale Washington and one

27:50 ↗ of his many accomplishments in his

27:52 ↗ lifetime was the procurement and sale of

27:56 ↗ a thousand cords of firewood at $10 a

27:58 ↗ cord shipped by barge to San Francisco

28:01 ↗ in the

28:02 ↗ 1870s a little bit of that is filtered

28:05 ↗ down through the the the family

28:08 ↗ Generations um I'm the person that's the

28:11 ↗ subject of this propose proposed

28:13 ↗ ordinance uh with it I was granted a

28:16 ↗ business

28:17 ↗ license and did My Level best to comply

28:20 ↗ with it it's very difficult to do that

28:23 ↗ when your your code requirements uh for

28:27 ↗ screening when your your your screening

28:31 ↗ is vandalized consistently taken down

28:35 ↗ and harmed when your vehicles are

28:39 ↗ vandalized I've been the subject of

28:41 ↗ ridicule scorn

28:44 ↗ lawsuits

28:46 ↗ uh the the list goes on and on you know

28:50 ↗ I've heated for wood for most of my

28:52 ↗ adult life and had it growing up as a

28:54 ↗ child uh and I remember making trips

28:57 ↗ down to Madison Park to buy to buy it

29:00 ↗ with my

29:01 ↗ father it's just been a way of life for

29:04 ↗ many many years and as somebody who

29:08 ↗ suffers from disabilities including Pro

29:10 ↗ post-traumatic stress I'm limited in

29:13 ↗ what I can do and firewood was an option

29:16 ↗ for me with it that we did our best to

29:21 ↗ put that together and help serve people

29:24 ↗ throughout the community and May

29:28 ↗ every effort to comply with everything

29:31 ↗ that was put forward you know it's one

29:33 ↗ thing after another it's you know this

29:35 ↗ Rule and then you know you get sued and

29:38 ↗ then you get threatened and then your

29:40 ↗ property gets vandalized and people

29:42 ↗ block physically block your road access

29:45 ↗ while you are attempting to go to an

29:47 ↗ urgent medical appointment to the point

29:48 ↗ of where the police were called people

29:51 ↗ didn't move because it's a private

29:54 ↗ road they couldn't enforce it paramedics

29:58 ↗ Rec called because of a previous cardiac

30:02 ↗ enzyme that I have

30:05 ↗ and in incredible chest pain as part of

30:08 ↗ this

30:10 ↗ experience they finally let the

30:11 ↗ ambulance

30:13 ↗ through I concur wholeheartedly with you

30:16 ↗ that from some of the comments that have

30:19 ↗ been made that the sale of firewood as a

30:23 ↗ home occupancy is in

30:25 ↗ fact an ability to make function but

30:30 ↗ it's hard when people go on a Witch Hunt

30:35 ↗ to trip you up at every point to the

30:37 ↗ point where they swear at my children

30:39 ↗ flip them off my sons 12-year-old twins

30:43 ↗ who are developmentally disabled because

30:45 ↗ they were premature asked me time and

30:48 ↗ again Dad why is that lady taking

30:50 ↗ pictures

30:51 ↗ again I couldn't answer it for

30:54 ↗ her with regard to

30:57 ↗ the

30:58 ↗ proposed code

31:00 ↗ Amendment the amount of five cords of

31:04 ↗ wood is both arbitrary and

31:07 ↗ capricious it is a lot for some people

31:12 ↗ and nowhere near enough for

31:15 ↗ others I know of dozens and dozens of

31:18 ↗ people within the city limits of isqua

31:20 ↗ who by need or by choice heat slowly and

31:25 ↗ exclusively or almost so with firew

31:28 ↗ and many of those people go through 7 8

31:31 ↗ 10 and even 12 cords a year I

31:34 ↗ myself my home I have two stoves and

31:38 ↗ early 70s insulation so it's kind of

31:39 ↗ like heating the world I go through

31:41 ↗ between 10 and 12 quarts per year it's

31:44 ↗ part of the discussion

31:46 ↗ previously with working with the city

31:48 ↗ that a you know a reasonable amount of

31:51 ↗ firewood to have was a threeyear

31:53 ↗ supply and whether that was you know one

31:56 ↗ two 10 or 30 then that was it um there's

32:01 ↗ several other problems with the with the

32:03 ↗ proposal stacked and elevated with it um

32:08 ↗ how does it how does it elevate what's

32:10 ↗ the requirement there um I don't

32:12 ↗ understand how wood can be a safety

32:14 ↗ issue um you know visual nuisance is is

32:18 ↗ a matter of

32:21 ↗ interpretation um there are hundreds of

32:25 ↗ people within the city

32:27 ↗ that would be affected by this proposal

32:30 ↗ and just taking a random notation when I

32:32 ↗ came down to the meeting tonight I left

32:35 ↗ my home at my the address specified and

32:38 ↗ by the time I turned right on State

32:40 ↗ Route 900 and got to

32:42 ↗ Talis I noticed that there were five

32:45 ↗ homes that would be in violation of the

32:47 ↗ proposed ordinance three of them were on

32:48 ↗ my

32:51 ↗ street this

32:53 ↗ is you know a

32:55 ↗ long you know contentious disagreement

32:58 ↗ which I don't understand it has been an

33:02 ↗ epic source of stress it's personally

33:04 ↗ affected my ability to earn and provide

33:06 ↗ an income and as proposed and stated in

33:09 ↗ writing to Mr Wright that you know I

33:12 ↗ also provide wood for my ex-wife and

33:17 ↗ three minor children all of whom have

33:20 ↗ disabilities it's a primary source of

33:23 ↗ heat for them and what can't do

33:27 ↗ economically you know at least I can

33:29 ↗ provide that for them hopelink for

33:32 ↗ example through their their many

33:34 ↗ programs I'm sure everybody's aware of

33:35 ↗ hopelink if not you should be um one of

33:38 ↗ the things that they provide for people

33:40 ↗ who have a primary source of heat as

33:43 ↗ wood they will provide a wood grant for

33:46 ↗ those who are in

33:48 ↗ need and many times those amounts are in

33:51 ↗ excess of five courts so the

33:54 ↗ implementation of this would Direct

33:56 ↗ directly affect people in need who who

33:59 ↗ need help the

34:01 ↗ most from being able to comply with

34:05 ↗ keeping their families warm through the

34:07 ↗ cold and of of

34:09 ↗ winter I truly believe that there's a

34:14 ↗ reasonable solution both to the home

34:16 ↗ occupancy issue and reasonable

34:20 ↗ codification of what we're doing as far

34:24 ↗ as how we want to Define what's stored

34:28 ↗ you're going to hear a vastly different

34:29 ↗ story in a few minutes from whoever else

34:31 ↗ is here with it but this whole process

34:34 ↗ has taken a severe toll on my health my

34:38 ↗ ability to earn an

34:39 ↗ income and has eaten up tens of

34:42 ↗ thousands of dollars in in useless

34:45 ↗ expense hundreds of hours of time all

34:49 ↗ for I don't know

34:52 ↗ what I would

34:54 ↗ implore a more reason you know more

34:57 ↗ reason

34:58 ↗ discussion about

35:01 ↗ some some form of Regulation that

35:06 ↗ incorporates the the needs of hundreds

35:08 ↗ of people in the city of

35:10 ↗ isqua with regard to how they can heat

35:13 ↗ their homes and keep their families

35:15 ↗ warm rather than have an arbitrary and

35:19 ↗ capricious setup that is clearly

35:22 ↗ targeted at

35:24 ↗ me yet affects those who need it most

35:26 ↗ most the elderly those who Heat their

35:28 ↗ homes with

35:30 ↗ wood and when you keep wood you know by

35:33 ↗ stacking it you know neatly the problem

35:37 ↗ that lies with that often times when

35:39 ↗ it's green green is defined as having a

35:41 ↗ moisture content when it's just cut down

35:43 ↗ which is approximately

35:44 ↗ 50% when you stack it neatly and tightly

35:48 ↗ at that stage of its

35:50 ↗ preparation you get many different

35:53 ↗ things and at the end of the time none

35:56 ↗ of it is used usable firewood because it

35:58 ↗ grows mushrooms it's subject to mold and

36:02 ↗ it doesn't dry

36:04 ↗ out so I just have one question your

36:07 ↗ your five minutes is is up but um how

36:10 ↗ big is a is your property the property

36:13 ↗ is approximately 3 and a half

36:16 ↗ acres is are your neighbors the same

36:19 ↗ size properties I honestly do not know

36:23 ↗ okay okay thank

36:25 ↗ you one last comment if I might okay I

36:29 ↗ appreciate the opportunity to speak

36:31 ↗ tonight and I would like to thank Mr

36:32 ↗ Wright for his courtesy in sending me a

36:35 ↗ copy of the proposed amendment and

36:37 ↗ notice of the meeting otherwise I would

36:38 ↗ not have known about it there's a quote

36:42 ↗ that is attributed to a Canadian that

36:45 ↗ seems relevant here

36:46 ↗ tonight and it states in part they say

36:50 ↗ there are strangers who threaten

36:52 ↗ us those who know what's best for us

36:55 ↗ must R rise and SA save us from

36:57 ↗ ourselves quick to judge quick to anger

37:01 ↗ slow to understand ignorance fear and

37:05 ↗ Prejudice walk hand inand it's

37:07 ↗ attributable to a writing called Witch

37:10 ↗ Hunt thank you for your time thank you

37:13 ↗ Mr berett I actually have have one

37:14 ↗ follow-up question um yes sir with with

37:18 ↗ the business as it was was um taking

37:20 ↗ place was there uh what was the nature

37:23 ↗ of the cutting of of wood that was uh

37:25 ↗ taking place on the property uh there

37:27 ↗ was no meaningful cutting per se as an

37:30 ↗ effort to mitigate noise with it when we

37:34 ↗ would have round you know rounds of

37:37 ↗ firewood brought in you know essentially

37:39 ↗ in the size of it of of of 16 inches in

37:43 ↗ length we would split that by hand to

37:46 ↗ keep the noise

37:47 ↗ down on occasion maybe three times four

37:51 ↗ times over the course of a six-month

37:53 ↗ period we might have something that was

37:55 ↗ a little too long and you might need a

37:57 ↗ chainsaw to to to cut that into a a

38:01 ↗ reasonable

38:02 ↗ length and and what times would would

38:05 ↗ those chainsaw cutting activities take

38:07 ↗ place never before 9:00 a.m. and never

38:09 ↗ after

38:15 ↗ 5:30 a chainsaw from a decibel noise

38:18 ↗ rating level is similar to a lawnmower

38:21 ↗ can you tell me where you where this is

38:23 ↗ again your address yes sir it is 20905

38:26 ↗ Southeast 83rd Place yeah thank you

38:31 ↗ thank you

38:32 ↗ again is this an audio audio recording

38:36 ↗ yes thank you great video yes how do we

38:40 ↗ request a copy of it um if you go online

38:44 ↗ it will be online in a few days great

38:47 ↗ thank you very much thank you

38:50 ↗ um9 the next person that is signed up to

38:54 ↗ talk is gu and I can't

38:57 ↗ read I can't read his name so please

39:00 ↗ come to the microphone introduce

39:02 ↗ yourself and state your

39:06 ↗ address hi my name is G doverspike I

39:09 ↗ live at 20926 Southeast 83rd place in

39:13 ↗ isqua and I'm a neighbor of Mr Barnett's

39:17 ↗ there are can you hear me I I I don't

39:18 ↗ know if I'm losing my hearing or if it's

39:21 ↗ if have a hard time hearing is that

39:23 ↗ better I have to lean forward but that's

39:26 ↗ okay um we have other neighbors here as

39:28 ↗ well um so uh let me start by saying um

39:34 ↗ by thanking you for allowing me to speak

39:36 ↗ first of all and second of all uh Mr

39:39 ↗ Barnett has a a compelling story but

39:43 ↗ hopefully you have ways of factchecking

39:46 ↗ that story um and parts of it for

39:50 ↗ instance lawsuits you should be able to

39:51 ↗ look up there has been no lawsuits

39:53 ↗ against him he has filed no police

39:57 ↗ uh things on uh vandalism and things

39:59 ↗ like that and you can actually hopefully

40:01 ↗ check with the compliance office about

40:04 ↗ times that he has physically he actually

40:07 ↗ told them that he's not running a

40:09 ↗ business and if you look at that we had

40:12 ↗ Craiglist listings uh uh that show that

40:15 ↗ he was so then he finally admitted he

40:18 ↗ was running a business and that's when

40:21 ↗ they forced him to start uh the business

40:23 ↗ license process and and going through

40:25 ↗ all that so there

40:28 ↗ are uh let's just say he's not entirely

40:31 ↗ straightforward with his

40:32 ↗ story and hopefully you're able to check

40:34 ↗ that out um I'd also like to point out

40:37 ↗ that we're not talking about a small

40:39 ↗ amount of wood in here right you have

40:41 ↗ the pictures they're Stack Up taller

40:43 ↗ than a man they go easily 30 feet easily

40:47 ↗ 60 feet um this is a massive amount of

40:50 ↗ wood that we're talking about so this

40:53 ↗ isn't some small business he's in and

40:55 ↗ out

40:57 ↗ round

40:58 ↗ trips during the winter uh fall probably

41:01 ↗ 30 or 40

41:03 ↗ times um during the summer it does slow

41:07 ↗ down uh last time we talked to him about

41:09 ↗ this he claimed that he wasn't doing any

41:11 ↗ business at all even though it's the

41:13 ↗ same number of trips the same amount of

41:15 ↗ wood that he was doing when he was

41:17 ↗ running a

41:19 ↗ business and so right now he's

41:22 ↗ um still doing the exact same activity

41:29 ↗ so it sounds really suspicious right

41:30 ↗ when he says he's not running a business

41:32 ↗ and yet the activity level is staying

41:34 ↗ the same um they mentioned the character

41:37 ↗ of the neighborhood I don't think anyone

41:40 ↗ would want what's going on here in their

41:42 ↗ neighborhood I honestly don't I think

41:44 ↗ anyone would have an issue with it

41:47 ↗ Safety and Security was brought up if

41:48 ↗ you read our brief you'll see um there

41:52 ↗ are Safety and Security issues there are

41:54 ↗ fire hazards he he actually

41:57 ↗ leaves electrical cords and gas stacked

42:00 ↗ in with his

42:02 ↗ wood there are health issues around um

42:05 ↗ and King County actually talked to this

42:08 ↗ they said um that the Firwood and uh the

42:13 ↗ associated work on cutting it up creates

42:16 ↗ material that attracts rats because they

42:19 ↗ can build nests in it and they can find

42:20 ↗ shelter in the wood so it attracts rats

42:24 ↗ obviously rats are uh a concern for a

42:27 ↗ disease of many

42:30 ↗ kinds

42:31 ↗ um and uh the other aspect is he leaves

42:35 ↗ debris on the road we I have to stop on

42:38 ↗ a regular basis and pick up not just

42:40 ↗ wood hunks but sometimes tools things

42:43 ↗ like that which you know late at night

42:46 ↗ that's not a good thing because

42:48 ↗ sometimes we can't see it and our cars

42:49 ↗ run over

42:51 ↗ it so um I I do believe there's Safety

42:54 ↗ and Security issues with this and I

42:56 ↗ believe like it says in the brief in any

43:00 ↗ place uh where you find this kind of

43:02 ↗ business that's going to be a natural

43:03 ↗ side effect right if you have a truck

43:06 ↗ that's going down the road um you're

43:08 ↗ going to lose part of the load and in a

43:11 ↗ residential neighborhood you're just not

43:13 ↗ expecting to run into that um it's not

43:16 ↗ something that you would expect so

43:21 ↗ um do you have uh oh I wanted to make

43:25 ↗ another point so there was the 500

43:27 ↗ square foot right uh that's part of the

43:30 ↗ standard code so this is well and Beyond

43:34 ↗ and expanding that so you know if we

43:36 ↗ kept to the 500 square foot and as many

43:38 ↗ cords as you can fit into that to run a

43:40 ↗ business you know that's that's fine

43:43 ↗ right that's that's reasonable to me um

43:46 ↗ and around heating for just home use I

43:49 ↗ used to have a 200t house that I heated

43:51 ↗ with

43:53 ↗ wood uh out in Monroe and and I could

43:56 ↗ heat that house with about two cords it

44:00 ↗ wouldn't quite go through two cords in a

44:01 ↗ winter and that's even when the snow was

44:03 ↗ on right so that's that's a pretty big

44:06 ↗ year so I don't buy this 10 cords I

44:10 ↗ don't know anyone who borns 10 cords of

44:13 ↗ wood in a winter so I just don't believe

44:15 ↗ it and even if it's true so haul it in

44:17 ↗ twice right um to me five cord sounds

44:21 ↗ like a

44:22 ↗ reasonable a reasonable

44:25 ↗ number

44:28 ↗ so from what I understand

44:31 ↗ from

44:32 ↗ previous Barrett Barnett Barnett um has

44:37 ↗ been doing this for a long time yes

44:40 ↗ we've been actually working with the

44:42 ↗ city for a long time on this issue and

44:45 ↗ uh he actually didn't do it for the

44:46 ↗ first two years he was there so there

44:49 ↗ was probably about a two-year period

44:50 ↗ where he wasn't doing this and then he

44:52 ↗ started doing it and there was probably

44:55 ↗ we talked T to him a few times about the

44:58 ↗ the property damage he was doing on the

44:59 ↗ road we we asked him to not he said he

45:03 ↗ operated during certain hours that's not

45:05 ↗ true he wake woke people up probably 6

45:08 ↗ 6:30 sometimes in the morning and

45:11 ↗ sometimes it goes on to 9 o' at night I

45:13 ↗ mean he has workers there right so even

45:15 ↗ if he's not doing it his workers are

45:17 ↗ doing it this isn't a smallscale

45:19 ↗ business I mean it's not huge right but

45:21 ↗ it's not a small scale I sell a c of

45:24 ↗ wood once a month business it's it's

45:27 ↗ large scale he has had large commercial

45:30 ↗ trucks you see a picture of what he has

45:33 ↗ right now which is a large pickup truck

45:35 ↗ with a fairly substantial trailer that

45:38 ↗ he's built the sides up on so that he

45:40 ↗ can haul a lot of wood and it does a lot

45:41 ↗ of damage to the

45:45 ↗ road so Ju Just to be clear the the all

45:50 ↗ the wood is being brought

45:52 ↗ in bigger chunks and everything then

45:55 ↗ gets chopped and it gets chopped down

45:58 ↗ that correct goes back out that's

45:59 ↗ correct and you can see the picture of

46:01 ↗ the wood splitter there he runs a wood

46:02 ↗ splitter and chainsaws both so can you

46:05 ↗ address the noise issue yeah like I was

46:08 ↗ saying you know sometimes it starts as

46:10 ↗ early as 6 6:30 in the morning sometimes

46:12 ↗ it goes to 9:00 at night and we live

46:15 ↗ actually almost on the far end as far

46:17 ↗ away from him as you can get on our road

46:19 ↗ and you can hear it clearly in fact you

46:22 ↗ can even hear him when he's loading the

46:23 ↗ wood we know when he's because he's

46:25 ↗ throwing it in so we hear the boom boom

46:27 ↗ boom as he's loading the wood I was

46:29 ↗ going to ask what kind of noise so but

46:33 ↗ chainsaws the chainsaw we can hear he

46:35 ↗ likened it to a lawn mower and if you've

46:38 ↗ ever operated a law uh you know people

46:40 ↗ don't wear ear things when they operate

46:43 ↗ a lawnmower right you do wear air

46:45 ↗ protection when you operate a chainsaw

46:47 ↗ if you're smart because otherwise you'll

46:48 ↗ destroy your hearing yeah not equivalent

46:51 ↗ at

46:52 ↗ all have you have you had or others in

46:56 ↗ your neighborhood had any negative

46:59 ↗ impact on the value of your property

47:01 ↗ your home sales whatever my case might

47:04 ↗ be I certainly couldn't prove it but my

47:06 ↗ question would be would you want to move

47:08 ↗ into a neighborhood that had that kind

47:10 ↗ of a visual blight on it you know I I I

47:13 ↗ haven't gone and and asked a realtor to

47:16 ↗ tell me what impact that has so I

47:18 ↗ couldn't quantify it but I could tell

47:20 ↗ you if I was thinking about moving into

47:22 ↗ that neighborhood I wouldn't do it now

47:24 ↗ right me personally

47:29 ↗ as a

47:31 ↗ realtor I agree um as a realtor you

47:35 ↗ would move in well I wouldn't but I I

47:38 ↗ I'm saying that uh this could have a

47:41 ↗ serious impact on the value of the house

47:43 ↗ I would assume so I would think so even

47:46 ↗ though I appreciate somebody having a

47:50 ↗ business and trying to feed their family

47:54 ↗ and do the right thing

47:57 ↗ it sometimes can't be at the detriment

48:00 ↗ of the neighborhood of the people that

48:02 ↗ live there of this of the roads of all

48:04 ↗ of the things that happened so um I'm

48:08 ↗ just surprised that it has gone on so

48:10 ↗ long um and nothing has been really I

48:15 ↗ mean he hasn't stopped so nothing has

48:18 ↗ been enough to stop stop this so what's

48:22 ↗ what's the topography there as in is it

48:24 ↗ hilly I mean is there access to a

48:26 ↗ backyard or is it I mean does it have to

48:29 ↗ be in the front yard I guess well he has

48:33 ↗ uh so he rents the house it's about like

48:37 ↗ he said about three and a half acres

48:38 ↗ That's Not Unusual in that I it varies

48:42 ↗ it's uh right now uh five acres

48:44 ↗ grandfathered but I mean five acres uh

48:48 ↗ is the zoning but uh a lot of the

48:50 ↗ properties have been uh grandfathered in

48:52 ↗ so are slightly less than that um I I

48:56 ↗ couldn't quote the exact sizes But to

48:58 ↗ answer your question he has about three

49:00 ↗ and a half acres he could except he

49:03 ↗ would have to probably chop down trees

49:05 ↗ and this is I'm not sure how many trees

49:07 ↗ he can actually chop down because we're

49:09 ↗ near uh a stream so there's some

49:12 ↗ protection going on you know you'd have

49:14 ↗ to look into the details around that but

49:16 ↗ uh right now it is all in the front and

49:19 ↗ it is all

49:23 ↗ unscreened thank you thank

49:29 ↗ you okay guys anybody else no um is

49:33 ↗ there anybody else that would like to

49:36 ↗ speak I didn't that's okay come on

49:42 ↗ up just state your name and your address

49:45 ↗ hi my name is Todd Johnson uh my address

49:47 ↗ is 20920 southeast 83d place I'm a

49:50 ↗ neighbor of both uh GTH and Brook and Mr

49:54 ↗ Barnett so we actually live on the hill

49:57 ↗ on a hillside of side of squawk Mountain

49:59 ↗ uh past Mr Barnett's property so we go

50:02 ↗ up and down past it every day when he's

50:05 ↗ loading and unloading his trucks they

50:07 ↗ frequently block the road and I don't

50:09 ↗ think any of us really begrudge him you

50:13 ↗ know his livelihood it's just a

50:15 ↗ completely inappropriate scale business

50:17 ↗ to have in a

50:19 ↗ neighborhood I mean it's a you can see

50:21 ↗ from the photos that Brooke provided he

50:24 ↗ has very large trucks with

50:26 ↗ trailers that he Stacks enormous amounts

50:29 ↗ of wood onto and drags them up and down

50:31 ↗ the road all day every day and this is a

50:34 ↗ single Lane dirt road so this a a

50:37 ↗ significant issue for us and that you

50:39 ↗ know we're not on a a paved two lane

50:41 ↗ road where cars can get by each

50:45 ↗ other so uh I really don't I didn't have

50:49 ↗ any prepared statements or anything so I

50:51 ↗ could answer any questions that you

50:54 ↗ have one thing I I I would add uh so the

50:58 ↗ uh question about his uh property size

51:00 ↗ is approximately 3 acres only a very

51:02 ↗ small percentage of that is cleared flat

51:04 ↗ land it's mostly Hillside and uh heavily

51:08 ↗ wooded so all of the the wood that he

51:11 ↗ storing is hence concentrated into a

51:13 ↗ very large Pile in the front of his

51:16 ↗ house okay and and so if the screening

51:19 ↗ requirement at the very least were made

51:21 ↗ part of the ordinance uh that would

51:23 ↗ sufficiently take care of

51:27 ↗ the issues with the business as a whole

51:29 ↗ is that I'm not certain how you would

51:31 ↗ screen wood on this scale I mean it's

51:35 ↗ it's really hard to even uh picture even

51:38 ↗ from the photos there it's actually you

51:40 ↗ can see it from uh Google Earth pictures

51:42 ↗ very nicely it's just this huge circular

51:46 ↗ pile of split wood in the front of his

51:48 ↗ house and there was uh some brief

51:52 ↗ attempt to screen it by uh he he

51:55 ↗ mentioned that he had put up a fence and

51:57 ↗ someone vandalized it and that the the

52:00 ↗ gate he put up was just a piece of

52:02 ↗ plywood hinged to a 4x4 sunk in the

52:05 ↗ ground which promptly fell down and it's

52:08 ↗ been laying on the side of his driveway

52:11 ↗ for about the past nine

52:13 ↗ months so screening has not proved to be

52:16 ↗ very useful so

52:20 ↗ far thank you thank you I have a

52:23 ↗ question can you address um in the I

52:26 ↗ think the understanding was that a lot

52:28 ↗ of people have wood act in their

52:32 ↗ backyards in that neighborhood can you

52:34 ↗ address that I don't believe anyone on

52:37 ↗ our road or in the immediate area has

52:39 ↗ any sort of woods tagged up anywhere

52:40 ↗ that I've

52:41 ↗ seen certainly not on our

52:46 ↗ road thank

52:48 ↗ you I've just got uh two more pictures

52:50 ↗ that I'd like to enter into the record

52:53 ↗ that were given to me by the neighbors

52:54 ↗ and it again shows kind of the scale of

52:58 ↗ the the trailers that are in and out of

52:59 ↗ there and the size of the pieces of wood

53:02 ↗ that are stored there that clearly need

53:04 ↗ to be uh cut

53:11 ↗ up oh please um

53:18 ↗ uh so it's kind of good to be up here

53:20 ↗ and have somebody listen to such an

53:22 ↗ important issue that's impacted our

53:23 ↗ lives for a very long time to speak at

53:26 ↗ the microphone and your my name's Brooke

53:28 ↗ English and um Christopher Wright has

53:31 ↗ worked with us for a couple years now

53:32 ↗ and he's done a really good job and

53:34 ↗ every time we try to make some Headway

53:37 ↗ or make some sense out of this situation

53:39 ↗ we can't and this issue is so important

53:42 ↗ because it can happen anywhere and one

53:45 ↗ of the things that impacted me was when

53:48 ↗ he told me you can't do anything we're

53:52 ↗ on a private road and they can't

53:55 ↗ regulate me and so every time we've

53:58 ↗ followed the city's instruction and

54:01 ↗ tried to resolve this

54:04 ↗ peacefully he does what he wants and he

54:06 ↗ gets around it and he knows that on a

54:08 ↗ private road we don't have

54:11 ↗ everything the the police won't do so

54:14 ↗ much the damage to the road the city

54:17 ↗ doesn't come out and fix it we have to

54:19 ↗ fix it we have to pay for it and this

54:22 ↗ can happen anywhere and if people think

54:24 ↗ they can move in isqua and they can do

54:27 ↗ this and this is how it's

54:30 ↗ done so it is important the screening if

54:32 ↗ it worked it would have worked when

54:34 ↗ Christopher put it in place as one of

54:36 ↗ the mandates it didn't work it won't

54:39 ↗ work it has to be in the sidey yard or

54:42 ↗ the

54:42 ↗ backyard it has to be limited wood

54:45 ↗ because this is a

54:49 ↗ nightmare um and just for the record

54:51 ↗ could you state your address as well

54:53 ↗ 20926 Southeast 83rd Place place and

54:55 ↗ there's only about we're we're a small

54:57 ↗ neighborhood we're only about seven

55:00 ↗ houses on that road and it is a deadend

55:02 ↗ road if we could bypass him if we could

55:04 ↗ go around him if there was any way that

55:07 ↗ we could not be involved with this

55:08 ↗ situation every one of us would do

55:11 ↗ it and I I heard the mention of um

55:14 ↗ litigation involving this topic uh

55:16 ↗ what's been the outcome of that so what

55:19 ↗ happened was

55:20 ↗ um it was it was L it was difficult

55:24 ↗ because Christopher Wright he had in

55:28 ↗ order to resolve the situation we had

55:29 ↗ gotten the city involved like what can

55:31 ↗ we do how do we figure this out and John

55:34 ↗ or Mr Barnett had decided to go legal

55:39 ↗ and apply for a business license and I

55:41 ↗ guess he did a good job we didn't go to

55:43 ↗ the meetings we didn't realize this

55:44 ↗ thing was going to get quite so

55:46 ↗ crazy and when they passed the business

55:49 ↗ license Christopher Wright notified us

55:52 ↗ we were on vacation actually and it had

55:55 ↗ a time um factor in it we had to within

55:59 ↗ 3 days the was the appeal period or we

56:03 ↗ had to file suit and so we're like we

56:06 ↗ don't have three days we I think we had

56:08 ↗ like 24 hours we contact our neighbors

56:10 ↗ we contact everybody we like this is

56:12 ↗ insane they're going to tell them this

56:13 ↗ is okay and we know it's not I mean we

56:17 ↗ have serious medical issues on our road

56:19 ↗ it's not if an

56:22 ↗ emergency medical emergency will happen

56:24 ↗ it's when a medical emergency will

56:27 ↗ happen and that's how serious the

56:29 ↗ medical issues are on our

56:31 ↗ road so we had to make a choice we had

56:33 ↗ to say are we going to let this stand or

56:36 ↗ are we going to hire an attorney so we

56:37 ↗ called an attorney and we said this is

56:39 ↗ the situation we just want to stop them

56:42 ↗ and and have a voice in this and have

56:43 ↗ this make sense that's why the legal the

56:46 ↗ legal papers were filed and um we

56:50 ↗ actually filed against the city of isqua

56:51 ↗ as well we we put everybody in it trying

56:55 ↗ to show everybody how serious we were

56:57 ↗ and we are serious but we've tried to

57:00 ↗ work with Christopher in a different way

57:02 ↗ and put that on the back burner will it

57:04 ↗ work to go to court it's a long

57:05 ↗ protracted expensive thing Mr

57:11 ↗ Barnett it's just better if we can do

57:13 ↗ this peacefully and it's better if the

57:15 ↗ codes make sense so that this doesn't

57:17 ↗ happen again to

57:19 ↗ anybody is this the noise the stress of

57:23 ↗ our neighborhood

57:25 ↗ the traffic being blocked almost daily

57:28 ↗ from going up and down our road they ran

57:30 ↗ into them this morning going to work

57:32 ↗ that was about 7

57:33 ↗ a.m. yeah and he'd sent a picture a

57:36 ↗ couple days ago same thing he was

57:38 ↗ blocking the road this is

57:40 ↗ daily and the noise we go to sleep to it

57:43 ↗ we wake up to it he's they're always

57:45 ↗ doing something with the wood they're

57:46 ↗ slamming it in the truck you can hear it

57:49 ↗ they're chainsawing they're chopping it

57:50 ↗ I must be over my five minutes now

57:53 ↗ right so thank you thank you for having

57:56 ↗ us I hope you seriously consider it

57:58 ↗ because it's

58:01 ↗ important I'm GNA ask this one more time

58:03 ↗ is any not you um although you can come

58:06 ↗ back uh is there anybody else that would

58:09 ↗ like to

58:10 ↗ speak You're sure just making

58:14 ↗ sure okay with that I'm going to uh

58:18 ↗ close the uh public hearing at 7

58:26 ↗ 30 um I do have one question for

58:31 ↗ Christopher um if you

58:33 ↗ do pass this and enter this into the

58:37 ↗ code what is the city's responsibility

58:39 ↗ and how will you act

58:41 ↗ differently to to enforce it to protect

58:44 ↗ the

58:45 ↗ neighbors that you haven't

58:49 ↗ done it will be a lot more

58:52 ↗ clear uh what is is enforcable and

58:55 ↗ what's not you know there'll be clear

58:58 ↗ limits on uh obviously where the wood

59:02 ↗ can be stored so that the piles in the

59:04 ↗ front yard would not be

59:06 ↗ acceptable um every time we've

59:10 ↗ uh you know he he he does not have a

59:12 ↗ license to operate a business right

59:14 ↗ now um because we revoked his home

59:17 ↗ occupation business license and uh so

59:20 ↗ when we've approached him and we've said

59:23 ↗ uh you know

59:25 ↗ what is all this wood he he's he said

59:27 ↗ it's for his personal

59:29 ↗ use and you see the pictures you know

59:32 ↗ but we we would have to go through some

59:33 ↗ you know sting investigation or

59:35 ↗ something to prove otherwise right but

59:38 ↗ he says it's for his personal use so

59:40 ↗ again that's where the putting a cap on

59:42 ↗ the limit what's a reasonable amount for

59:45 ↗ uh somebody to have for their personal

59:47 ↗ use that's where that came from so what

59:49 ↗ it does it it it gives us something we

59:51 ↗ can point to in black and white in the

59:53 ↗ code of what is either meeting or not

59:56 ↗ meeting there must be something in code

59:59 ↗ somewhere that as a one resident cannot

1:00:02 ↗ interfere with legal access to a

1:00:05 ↗ neighbor's property uh causing

1:00:08 ↗ consternation I mean I can I wouldn't

1:00:10 ↗ like to have piles of wood in my

1:00:13 ↗ neighbor's backyard I definitely want

1:00:16 ↗ the rats but

1:00:18 ↗ um I look at blocking the road as more

1:00:22 ↗ of a danger than having having the wood

1:00:25 ↗ there and I would think that the city

1:00:27 ↗ could work in that direction to say hey

1:00:31 ↗ this is causing

1:00:32 ↗ um a hazard to the rest of the

1:00:35 ↗ neighborhood preventing legal access to

1:00:38 ↗ their properties yeah and as they

1:00:40 ↗ mentioned it it is a little tricky here

1:00:42 ↗ in that it's a private road so the city

1:00:45 ↗ has real kind of limited enforcement

1:00:47 ↗ ability for what happens on that road so

1:00:50 ↗ that's kind of that it's a real issue

1:00:52 ↗ for them but it's not something that

1:00:54 ↗ that the city has a lot of ability to

1:00:57 ↗ enforce so is is there Homeowner

1:00:59 ↗ Association then who who Who's

1:01:03 ↗ responsible yeah I don't think there's a

1:01:04 ↗ formal Association but I think there's

1:01:06 ↗ some kind of loose joint maintenance

1:01:09 ↗ agreement of some kind but has there

1:01:11 ↗ been discussion with the homeowner not

1:01:13 ↗ just the him what what has what has that

1:01:16 ↗ conversation been like we we we've tried

1:01:19 ↗ many things and uh dealing with the

1:01:22 ↗ homeowners uh is is one a that we've

1:01:25 ↗ tried and they haven't been interested

1:01:26 ↗ so far in uh enforcing

1:01:30 ↗ anything oh he's renting the property

1:01:33 ↗ he's renting that's

1:01:34 ↗ right and has your conversations been

1:01:36 ↗ with him or with the owners of the home

1:01:39 ↗ with both how do the owners respond I

1:01:43 ↗ think you may have answered that yes

1:01:44 ↗ they're they're basically

1:01:48 ↗ non-responsive are they saying we're

1:01:51 ↗ okay with it we don't want to lose this

1:01:52 ↗ renter or I essentially

1:01:56 ↗ okay by lack of doing anything about it

1:01:59 ↗ they're basically saying that yeah so

1:02:01 ↗ it's still in the city of isqua yeah I

1:02:04 ↗ mean if you're wondering where this is

1:02:06 ↗ it's it's uh off of Sr 900 at the south

1:02:09 ↗ end of town essentially cross the street

1:02:11 ↗ from Talis is where this is there's a

1:02:14 ↗ few rural streets down there and it is

1:02:16 ↗ within the city limit on the side of the

1:02:18 ↗ nursery

1:02:20 ↗ yeah but it's see I don't understand

1:02:23 ↗ because it is in the City MH it is a

1:02:25 ↗ city whether it's a private road or not

1:02:28 ↗ that property is in the city and as a

1:02:30 ↗ city you should have the right to

1:02:34 ↗ protect people who live in the neighbor

1:02:36 ↗ in the city MH whether you own that road

1:02:39 ↗ or it's a private

1:02:42 ↗ road am I

1:02:44 ↗ wrong yes

1:02:47 ↗ well it's private property and right I

1:02:50 ↗ mean the road is private property right

1:02:53 ↗ and and

1:02:55 ↗ who does the road belong

1:02:58 ↗ to them the neighborhood joint

1:03:05 ↗ ownership

1:03:06 ↗ police would you come to the microphone

1:03:09 ↗ if you're going to

1:03:10 ↗ speak yeah so

1:03:13 ↗ um it's a joint ownership it's uh

1:03:17 ↗ easement that everyone

1:03:18 ↗ shares um and uh as I was saying we have

1:03:22 ↗ worked with the police and we have

1:03:23 ↗ worked with the uh fire department

1:03:25 ↗ saying that this is a hazard and uh

1:03:28 ↗ neither one has really the police is

1:03:31 ↗ it's a private road we have no

1:03:32 ↗ jurisdiction and the fire department was

1:03:35 ↗ like well they're not violating any of

1:03:36 ↗ our codes that we can go and and and I

1:03:39 ↗ said well what about electrical wires

1:03:40 ↗ and gas cans in the same vicinity as

1:03:42 ↗ wood doesn't that sound dangerous and uh

1:03:45 ↗ it was like well we don't have direct

1:03:46 ↗ codes that deal with that and what about

1:03:48 ↗ blocking the way right and well we don't

1:03:50 ↗ really I mean if there was a fire if it

1:03:52 ↗ was marked as a fire thing we could go

1:03:54 ↗ in in there and get rid of them but it's

1:03:55 ↗ not a red curb right so um they didn't

1:03:59 ↗ have anything that they could do for us

1:04:01 ↗ basically so will this

1:04:05 ↗ change affect any of what we've just

1:04:07 ↗ been talking about or just work on how

1:04:10 ↗ you store our

1:04:13 ↗ wood it won't have any it won't change

1:04:16 ↗ any of the ability of the fire or

1:04:19 ↗ anybody else to um yeah the the the the

1:04:23 ↗ the Road and access issues are not being

1:04:25 ↗ addressed in this

1:04:28 ↗ now so but like I said what what it will

1:04:31 ↗ limit hopefully is the number of truck

1:04:34 ↗ trips in and out of there how many

1:04:36 ↗ people are coming and going how can you

1:04:38 ↗ limit that well by limiting the amount

1:04:40 ↗ of wood that's there and the fact that

1:04:42 ↗ it needs to

1:04:43 ↗ be stacked and stored around the outside

1:04:46 ↗ would alleviate the the Mounds of wood

1:04:49 ↗ in the front yard and you know just the

1:04:51 ↗ and if if if it it can clearly only be

1:04:54 ↗ wood for personal use and not to be

1:04:58 ↗ sold then you know any amount of trucks

1:05:00 ↗ in and out of there but you're

1:05:03 ↗ regulating the

1:05:07 ↗ road the problem with the the road seems

1:05:09 ↗ to be the what he's doing with his

1:05:11 ↗ property so if you can regulate what

1:05:13 ↗ happens on the no I I understand and and

1:05:15 ↗ I understand where you're getting to

1:05:17 ↗ it's just the fact that um if you

1:05:20 ↗ regulate the number of trucks then

1:05:22 ↗ you're regulating basically the road so

1:05:26 ↗ okay yeah and my biggest concern is that

1:05:29 ↗ we're using you know a Citywide code

1:05:32 ↗ process for one person and sweeping up

1:05:35 ↗ unintentionally others in that process I

1:05:37 ↗ mean we don't have a cords per square

1:05:41 ↗ foot limitation I I do think that we

1:05:43 ↗ need the neatly stacked elevated um rats

1:05:46 ↗ are the problem with rats is a hazard I

1:05:49 ↗ think there are other things that could

1:05:50 ↗ be done um things such as um you know

1:05:54 ↗ even if we allow a business limiting

1:05:58 ↗ cutting hours um or eliminating cutting

1:06:03 ↗ completely and allowing just storage and

1:06:06 ↗ sale um but we could also impose gross

1:06:11 ↗ weight limits for trucks and um which

1:06:14 ↗ along with the number of trips would

1:06:15 ↗ would alleviate some of these Road

1:06:17 ↗ blockage issues uh we could um eliminate

1:06:20 ↗ the use of log splitting for log

1:06:22 ↗ splitting machines for any homebased

1:06:23 ↗ business

1:06:24 ↗ and we could regulate as a safety issue

1:06:27 ↗ which could give some teeth to the fire

1:06:28 ↗ department um if we looked at the fire

1:06:30 ↗ code uh placement of wood shavings um

1:06:34 ↗ gas setbacks from any wood or wood

1:06:36 ↗ shavings and use of electrical equipment

1:06:38 ↗ around any flammable material which

1:06:41 ↗ could provide some enforcement ability

1:06:44 ↗ um as opposed to just treating it like a

1:06:48 ↗ um the straight code violation it would

1:06:51 ↗ then become a safety issue with with

1:06:52 ↗ some potential enforcement issues

1:06:54 ↗ um things like eliminating the use of

1:06:56 ↗ trailers um for any homebased wood

1:06:59 ↗ business um but I I think if we

1:07:04 ↗ just take a you know huge axe to the

1:07:08 ↗ code for one person that we could have

1:07:10 ↗ some unintentional cons consequences and

1:07:12 ↗ that concerns me I I would concur with

1:07:15 ↗ that um I feel

1:07:18 ↗ like I don't know if this issue has ever

1:07:21 ↗ come up with anyone else I would assum

1:07:23 ↗ assume that it hasn't um so making one

1:07:27 ↗ specific code requirement for one

1:07:29 ↗ individual um yeah it doesn't make

1:07:32 ↗ complete sense to me and it seems as if

1:07:36 ↗ we need to have a clearcut way no pun

1:07:39 ↗ intended um

1:07:41 ↗ of enforcing something that if you know

1:07:45 ↗ if it if there's violations right now

1:07:47 ↗ that

1:07:48 ↗ he's he's obviously in violations of

1:07:51 ↗ certain things and there hasn't been an

1:07:53 ↗ enfor if he doesn't have a business

1:07:55 ↗ license you know there's ways to prove

1:07:57 ↗ that we ways to go about that I I just I

1:08:01 ↗ just feel more comfortable about doing

1:08:03 ↗ something like that before we you know

1:08:05 ↗ change a whole zoning

1:08:07 ↗ code that's my

1:08:12 ↗ feeling I understand what you're saying

1:08:15 ↗ my my concern

1:08:17 ↗ is that if this is allowed to

1:08:22 ↗ continue with

1:08:24 ↗ no

1:08:26 ↗ regulation you have opened the door to a

1:08:29 ↗ tremendous number of other violations of

1:08:33 ↗ such kind of property

1:08:35 ↗ usage um the gentleman sat here and said

1:08:38 ↗ I don't have that much wood in my my

1:08:40 ↗ yard and then we said

1:08:44 ↗ DS

1:08:47 ↗ okay now I don't know when you folks

1:08:49 ↗ moved in there whether he was there

1:08:50 ↗ before you were there okay but

1:08:56 ↗ his presentation wasn't factual I don't

1:08:59 ↗ believe okay and I I I was in a

1:09:05 ↗ neighborhood many many many many years

1:09:07 ↗ ago in Redmond that didn't have control

1:09:11 ↗ over uh what um went on in your

1:09:16 ↗ driveway or your

1:09:18 ↗ garage and there was a individual who

1:09:21 ↗ bought the home but he did Auto Repair

1:09:24 ↗ in his garage and in his

1:09:26 ↗ driveway at the entrance of the

1:09:30 ↗ development and the values of the

1:09:33 ↗ properties the noise that it je it I

1:09:37 ↗ mean I I experienced it so I'm kind of

1:09:39 ↗ in your

1:09:40 ↗ shoes not this type but you know when

1:09:44 ↗ you've got somebody who's got you know

1:09:46 ↗ pickups up on on racks in the back in

1:09:49 ↗ the front driveway of their home and

1:09:51 ↗ this was a reasonably new development

1:09:53 ↗ but there was no controls or maintenance

1:09:55 ↗ now they've changed

1:09:57 ↗ that just because this is out in the

1:10:00 ↗ Hills I don't think we ignore

1:10:05 ↗ it because it's out somewhere else out

1:10:07 ↗ in the in the the Timber and and

1:10:10 ↗ wouldn't impact wouldn't impact uh Trey

1:10:13 ↗ Soxs or some other neighborhood is what

1:10:16 ↗ you're going what you could have happen

1:10:17 ↗ is have somebody come in and say well

1:10:18 ↗ you're allowing this out there I'm going

1:10:20 ↗ to do it here I think I'll own it I'll

1:10:22 ↗ open up and start repairing my

1:10:24 ↗ automobiles in my

1:10:25 ↗ garage I don't know I'm I'm challenged

1:10:29 ↗ by this yeah well and that and that

1:10:31 ↗ comes down to an enforcement issue to me

1:10:33 ↗ I mean we already have Provisions for a

1:10:34 ↗ business license requirement which it

1:10:36 ↗ appears that he's violating um we have

1:10:38 ↗ requirements that it not rais dust which

1:10:40 ↗ it appear that he's violating with the

1:10:42 ↗ saw dust

1:10:44 ↗ um outside storage he's he's violating

1:10:47 ↗ the outside storage Provisions I mean

1:10:48 ↗ there are already mechanisms in place

1:10:50 ↗ that just aren't being enforced but why

1:10:51 ↗ aren't they being enforced that that

1:10:54 ↗ that's what I feel like yeah why are the

1:10:56 ↗ existing rules not being enforced if if

1:11:00 ↗ we throw more rules on are they you know

1:11:02 ↗ it just comes down to additional rules

1:11:04 ↗ that wouldn't be enforced well we no

1:11:06 ↗ he's not going to move well we we have

1:11:08 ↗ tried many different ways of enforcing

1:11:12 ↗ and uh it comes down to what is the

1:11:15 ↗ police department willing to do with

1:11:17 ↗ regard to their other priorities is this

1:11:19 ↗ a priority for them what is the the the

1:11:22 ↗ court uh what's the dis you know the

1:11:24 ↗ city's attorney willing to do um you

1:11:28 ↗ know to take up court time and and

1:11:31 ↗ so uh right now there's no uh there's no

1:11:36 ↗ code that says he can't have that much

1:11:39 ↗ Woods stacked up in his front yard but

1:11:41 ↗ there is one that says he can't have

1:11:43 ↗ outdoor charge I mean that's for home

1:11:45 ↗ OCC that's for home occupation which if

1:11:48 ↗ you ask him he says he does not have a

1:11:50 ↗ home occupation yeah and that that's

1:11:52 ↗ where I think the the stacking

1:11:54 ↗ Provisions I mean I I I do like the

1:11:55 ↗ stacking Provisions I I think it's a

1:11:57 ↗ little over broad uh in terms of of the

1:12:00 ↗ limitations and and no linking to the

1:12:02 ↗ acreage I think those Provisions

1:12:04 ↗ definitely but if you had those

1:12:05 ↗ Provisions as far as uh stacking back or

1:12:08 ↗ sidey yard um would those be enough to

1:12:11 ↗ to engage action do you think I mean if

1:12:14 ↗ or I think so like I said if if it's

1:12:16 ↗ something that that are code enforcement

1:12:18 ↗ officer can clearly point to and say you

1:12:20 ↗ are in violation of this clearly you

1:12:24 ↗ know without getting into is he selling

1:12:25 ↗ it is he not selling it um so so say if

1:12:30 ↗ there's another person that lives up on

1:12:33 ↗ um squawk mountain and uh they want to

1:12:38 ↗ sell some wood they they would be

1:12:40 ↗ affected by this code but they want to

1:12:43 ↗ you know maybe there's a way that they

1:12:44 ↗ can do it and maintain some you know

1:12:49 ↗ nature with the or maintain the quality

1:12:51 ↗ of the neighborhood I just I I kind of

1:12:54 ↗ trying to see from their perspective

1:12:56 ↗ they wouldn't be able to to do run their

1:12:58 ↗ business anymore well I would think that

1:12:59 ↗ if you have if you have a couple cords

1:13:01 ↗ of wood that you're trying to sell on

1:13:03 ↗ Craigslist I mean your neighbors are not

1:13:05 ↗ going to turn you in it's going to be

1:13:08 ↗ just the same as selling a matress

1:13:10 ↗ selling a car so I I don't think that

1:13:13 ↗ this is going to be affecting that and

1:13:15 ↗ I'm I'm actually pretty comfortable with

1:13:17 ↗ having the adding to the list because

1:13:20 ↗ there I mean you just look through the

1:13:22 ↗ list there's a lot of other things that

1:13:23 ↗ you may have wondered you know why is it

1:13:25 ↗ there but those are um um occupations

1:13:30 ↗ that make noise that are disruptive that

1:13:33 ↗ you know that's not it's not a

1:13:35 ↗ Consulting business somebody on a

1:13:37 ↗ computer I don't see the need to make a

1:13:39 ↗ law unless it's going to be enforced so

1:13:42 ↗ if this person you know what you just

1:13:44 ↗ said and the neighbors won't turn them

1:13:45 ↗ in I don't I wouldn't feel until it gets

1:13:48 ↗ to the point where it's a nu we should

1:13:50 ↗ make a law where well you know it just

1:13:53 ↗ gives another tool in the you know in

1:13:56 ↗ order to to be um dealing with this so I

1:14:00 ↗ I think that the idea of adding sail of

1:14:02 ↗ firewood is a good one to this I'm I I'm

1:14:07 ↗ on a well I'm on the fense about the the

1:14:09 ↗ number of cord uh of wood um the four

1:14:15 ↗ four was it four or five five five

1:14:17 ↗ because personally I have no knowledge

1:14:19 ↗ of uh does it is it something that five

1:14:24 ↗ cords um is it something that really is

1:14:27 ↗ enough or not enough for to to heat a

1:14:30 ↗ house um over the winter um I mean I do

1:14:34 ↗ see the need to not keep bringing wood

1:14:37 ↗ either so if you want to as long as it's

1:14:40 ↗ nicely stacked and uh not a nuisance um

1:14:44 ↗ I I'm not sure there that the five is

1:14:47 ↗ necessarily good or bad as a number um

1:14:50 ↗ but right and the city wouldn't be

1:14:52 ↗ driving around with the yard stick you

1:14:55 ↗ know it's based on complaints obviously

1:14:57 ↗ how many cords of wood would you say is

1:14:59 ↗ in this

1:15:00 ↗ picture I don't know anything I don't

1:15:03 ↗ know 4x4 by

1:15:07 ↗ 8 by8 so that's one chord fourx I

1:15:11 ↗ thought that was the five chords no

1:15:13 ↗ that's one cord 4X 4 by eight is one

1:15:15 ↗ cord okay so that's a lot of wood

1:15:17 ↗ already so

1:15:18 ↗ okay I'm more

1:15:20 ↗ comfortable okay

1:15:24 ↗ the problem with you speaking down there

1:15:27 ↗ is the people on yeah and and just for

1:15:30 ↗ the record she had said that that

1:15:31 ↗ appears in the pictures that we have in

1:15:33 ↗ the record that um I believe said

1:15:35 ↗ approximately 50 chords to 75 50 to 70

1:15:39 ↗ 75 yeah yeah

1:15:44 ↗ guess addressing that the number of

1:15:47 ↗ cords more than five um if I did

1:15:54 ↗ uh heat my home only with wood and I had

1:15:57 ↗ the space to put it and I got this great

1:16:00 ↗ deal on seven cords of

1:16:02 ↗ wood um I would be in uh an illegal

1:16:09 ↗ situation and so it's it's nice

1:16:13 ↗ to um you're going to put something in

1:16:16 ↗ here you got to enforce it and so if you

1:16:20 ↗ know that somebody delivered seven cords

1:16:22 ↗ of wood to me

1:16:23 ↗ and the city has the obligation to to

1:16:26 ↗ put a little red tag on my wood or

1:16:28 ↗ something I mean you have to enforce it

1:16:32 ↗ and so I mean I I don't like 48 or 50

1:16:35 ↗ cords of wood but I don't I do have a

1:16:37 ↗ problem with just limiting it to five

1:16:39 ↗ it's are the

1:16:40 ↗ 99.9% of the people going to buy more

1:16:43 ↗ than five courts no but you have to be

1:16:46 ↗ reasonable in in some instances here now

1:16:50 ↗ let me ask you this I mean one one of

1:16:51 ↗ the um key things I talked about was the

1:16:56 ↗ there's no cleared land um with which

1:16:58 ↗ you could store it behind or to the side

1:17:01 ↗ um if we made this um five cords

1:17:07 ↗ per um I don't know 1,000 2,000 ft of

1:17:13 ↗ cleared um available space I mean then

1:17:17 ↗ then you're kind um and and keep the

1:17:20 ↗ back and side requirements for screening

1:17:23 ↗ from the adjacent properties um or sorry

1:17:26 ↗ uh kept in the side or rear yard

1:17:28 ↗ requirements and that would alleviate

1:17:31 ↗ most of the concerns at least as far as

1:17:34 ↗ uh this particular problem is is

1:17:36 ↗ concerned but still allow people to

1:17:41 ↗ have a fair amount I mean I I I think

1:17:43 ↗ there needs to be a a hords per square

1:17:47 ↗ foot of cleared land requirement is what

1:17:49 ↗ I'm saying I think can you explain the

1:17:54 ↗ code enforcement process so we can kind

1:17:56 ↗ of understand yeah um so they're in

1:18:00 ↗ violation of some codes right now how do

1:18:03 ↗ we get to actually be

1:18:10 ↗ enforced well the uh code enforcement

1:18:13 ↗ you know for something like this is done

1:18:14 ↗ on on a complaint basis right uh like I

1:18:17 ↗ said we're not necessarily driving

1:18:18 ↗ around looking for

1:18:20 ↗ violators um and how it's done in a case

1:18:24 ↗ like this is is you know it just needs

1:18:27 ↗ to be a

1:18:30 ↗ clear uh they need to be violating

1:18:33 ↗ something that that that just is clear

1:18:34 ↗ in black and white in the code and like

1:18:36 ↗ I said the right now there there's no

1:18:39 ↗ limit to to where W is storage stored or

1:18:43 ↗ how much you can have or how it's stored

1:18:46 ↗ there's no regulation about it at all so

1:18:49 ↗ if there was a regulation that said it

1:18:51 ↗ had to be in the backyard or it had to

1:18:52 ↗ be be in and Clos how would it go how it

1:18:55 ↗ right then the the code enforcement

1:18:56 ↗ officer can go out there and it's clear

1:18:58 ↗ in black and white you're in

1:19:00 ↗ violation without you know having to

1:19:02 ↗ prove something else it would be clear

1:19:04 ↗ that's what we're trying to get at okay

1:19:06 ↗ so then they go out there and they tag

1:19:08 ↗ it how does a would the police get

1:19:10 ↗ involved or yeah not necessarily no it's

1:19:14 ↗ we give uh we give the residents a

1:19:16 ↗ certain period of time to go come into

1:19:19 ↗ compliance let's say 30 days okay um and

1:19:21 ↗ at the end of that 30 days if still not

1:19:23 ↗ compliant we can get into a a period

1:19:26 ↗ where they're getting fined every day

1:19:28 ↗ that they're out of compliance that's

1:19:30 ↗ how it works and then what when's the

1:19:33 ↗ end what's the end end of it it just

1:19:36 ↗ continues on and and if he doesn't pay

1:19:40 ↗ he doesn't pay but he's well yeah then

1:19:42 ↗ then you know at a certain point and we

1:19:44 ↗ we we haven't gone this far before so

1:19:47 ↗ I'm not sure exactly how that would play

1:19:48 ↗ out or when but it's at some point then

1:19:50 ↗ it goes to court and there yeah yeah and

1:19:53 ↗ then it does become a police matter

1:19:59 ↗ okay anything

1:20:02 ↗ else I like the idea of U of

1:20:07 ↗ requiring the aesthetic value of it

1:20:09 ↗ rather than the quantity of it um

1:20:14 ↗ stacking

1:20:15 ↗ elevated backyard screen if

1:20:19 ↗ possible very nice neat row of Stack

1:20:22 ↗ wood is actually pretty nice looking uh

1:20:25 ↗ rather than uh limiting it to a certain

1:20:29 ↗ number and yeah like like I said that

1:20:31 ↗ the the if if the five chords is an

1:20:35 ↗ issue then like I said that's SEC that's

1:20:37 ↗ not a big thing that the city is real

1:20:39 ↗ concerned about either that amount it is

1:20:41 ↗ mostly where and how it's stored that's

1:20:43 ↗ what we're most concerned

1:20:46 ↗ about so I know that you are suggesting

1:20:50 ↗ some

1:20:51 ↗ additional uh things things to add to

1:20:53 ↗ the code do does anybody else do you

1:20:56 ↗ want to be specific of what you think

1:20:58 ↗ should be

1:21:00 ↗ added I I I don't know if I interpreted

1:21:03 ↗ your your comments correctly but I don't

1:21:05 ↗ I I wasn't comfortable with regulating

1:21:09 ↗ the um business of a selling wood but

1:21:16 ↗ putting requirements in there of maybe

1:21:19 ↗ putting the wood in the back um

1:21:21 ↗ screening it or something to make it so

1:21:23 ↗ that they you know this this won't

1:21:25 ↗ happen again but I just I'm trying to

1:21:28 ↗ think of someone that could want to have

1:21:30 ↗ a business selling wood at some

1:21:34 ↗ point um I think as worded right now I I

1:21:39 ↗ probably would not vote to advance it um

1:21:42 ↗ I I have the similar concerns over the

1:21:43 ↗ sale and whatnot but if our immediate

1:21:45 ↗ issue is a property like this where it's

1:21:48 ↗ stored in the front if we were to uh

1:21:50 ↗ keep 180720 5 um removing either

1:21:56 ↗ removing or modifying the quantity issue

1:21:58 ↗ and striking the last sentence um or

1:22:03 ↗ substantially changing requirements on

1:22:05 ↗ that I don't think I would vote for an

1:22:07 ↗ outright ban on the uh storage and sale

1:22:09 ↗ of firewood as a business either um but

1:22:12 ↗ I think it might be simpler for tonight

1:22:15 ↗ for the purposes that we're discussing

1:22:18 ↗ to table the um occupational ISS isue

1:22:23 ↗ and stick more with the uh storage issue

1:22:27 ↗ is

1:22:28 ↗ it as it pertains to the coat

1:22:39 ↗ enforcement can I

1:22:41 ↗ comment why not thank

1:22:44 ↗ you um my worry about this is John has

1:22:49 ↗ been shown amazing resiliency and being

1:22:52 ↗ a able to avoid the letter of the law or

1:22:55 ↗ even when he's violating the law knowing

1:22:56 ↗ what laws he can violate and not get

1:22:58 ↗ caught up in it uh if you don't control

1:23:01 ↗ the amount of wood if you don't control

1:23:05 ↗ um uh somehow come up with a way of of

1:23:09 ↗ controlling that he will continue to

1:23:13 ↗ still have traffic coming in and out I

1:23:15 ↗ mean maybe he'll clear area in the back

1:23:17 ↗ maybe the visual disruption will go away

1:23:20 ↗ the visual thing will go away um

1:23:22 ↗ although that

1:23:23 ↗ property since we're only encouraging

1:23:26 ↗ screening in the code um there really is

1:23:30 ↗ no way for him to effectively screen

1:23:32 ↗ that property unless uh he left a

1:23:34 ↗ barrier of trees and went back somehow

1:23:36 ↗ behind the trees but um the uh My worry

1:23:41 ↗ is that you'll still have a ton of

1:23:42 ↗ traffic coming in and out

1:23:44 ↗ again you know 2030 trips a day uh that

1:23:48 ↗ that's round trip trips right so 40 to

1:23:53 ↗ 60 a day and and that's covered

1:23:54 ↗ currently under the

1:23:56 ↗ code that was 20 if it's a home

1:23:59 ↗ occupation there is a limit on the

1:24:01 ↗ number of trips but again he doesn't

1:24:03 ↗ have an approved home occupation yeah he

1:24:05 ↗ he'll always say it's not I'm not doing

1:24:08 ↗ this for business right and the police

1:24:09 ↗ aren't willing to do a sting right on

1:24:11 ↗ this so but there are no limits for

1:24:14 ↗ residents on the number of in

1:24:18 ↗ out so I just wanted to share that worry

1:24:20 ↗ with you no limits on number of Vu

1:24:23 ↗ leader that each residence can I could

1:24:25 ↗ have 25 of my best friends come in and

1:24:29 ↗ out of my house all day long without

1:24:36 ↗ anybody I remember

1:24:40 ↗ those this

1:24:41 ↗ says regulate home occupations because

1:24:44 ↗ of the potential impact to the

1:24:47 ↗ surrounding neighborhood I mean there

1:24:49 ↗ are things in here that address more

1:24:52 ↗ more than stacking of

1:24:54 ↗ wood or are

1:24:57 ↗ these uh stuff that's already in the

1:25:00 ↗ code and we're just adding at the end

1:25:05 ↗ of okay so these are already in the

1:25:09 ↗ code

1:25:12 ↗ and not being enforced as they apply to

1:25:15 ↗ a home occupation yeah but you know if

1:25:18 ↗ if I take this as as his this is an ad

1:25:22 ↗ for the sale of wood if this is indeed

1:25:26 ↗ him he is working without a business

1:25:28 ↗ license and he should

1:25:31 ↗ be shut

1:25:33 ↗ down is there a way to go around the

1:25:35 ↗ state of Washington Department of

1:25:36 ↗ Revenue check and see if he's paying his

1:25:39 ↗ B&O

1:25:40 ↗ taxes well I don't

1:25:43 ↗ what is there a way as a planning policy

1:25:46 ↗ commission we can order a

1:25:51 ↗ sting I just say we've we we have talked

1:25:54 ↗ to the police department and and we have

1:25:56 ↗ determined that a code Amendment like

1:25:59 ↗ this one would be the most efficient way

1:26:02 ↗ to uh enforce okay so the police

1:26:05 ↗ department has stated that if it is

1:26:10 ↗ exactly the way the new code is written

1:26:12 ↗ permits them gives them more opportunity

1:26:15 ↗ to supervise

1:26:19 ↗ and well we would be able to enforce it

1:26:21 ↗ with our

1:26:22 ↗ development services department code

1:26:24 ↗ enforcement and not depend on the police

1:26:28 ↗ basically Z wait oh no never mind

1:26:33 ↗ um you know I'm on the board of our

1:26:36 ↗ homeowners association um

1:26:39 ↗ and we have the ability within the HOA

1:26:42 ↗ to limit the the parking of certain

1:26:48 ↗ Vehicles out on the

1:26:50 ↗ street uh based on the agreement that

1:26:52 ↗ was made with the HOA to do so and we

1:26:55 ↗ have a process that we go through if we

1:26:57 ↗ have to enforce it and it works so if a

1:27:02 ↗ HOA can do it why can't a

1:27:07 ↗ city they smiling would you like to form

1:27:11 ↗ an HOA so that and recorded docum So

1:27:15 ↗ that about something complicated no it's

1:27:18 ↗ not complicated we actually it is it is

1:27:21 ↗ a little complicated to form an HOA

1:27:23 ↗ after the uh the buildings are up

1:27:27 ↗ because while Washington state law

1:27:29 ↗ declares you know what an HOA can do and

1:27:32 ↗ what it can't do there is no law stating

1:27:34 ↗ how you form one so you kind of have to

1:27:37 ↗ do it when the community goes up and or

1:27:40 ↗ get everyone in the community to buy

1:27:42 ↗ into it I don't think we're going to

1:27:44 ↗ get John's uh you know homeowners to

1:27:47 ↗ agree to everybody yeah I'm just trying

1:27:51 ↗ to be unre reasonable here come on guys

1:27:53 ↗ got to

1:27:55 ↗ help okay um we've tried most of the

1:27:57 ↗ paths that you're talking about you know

1:27:59 ↗ we've tried all kinds of

1:28:02 ↗ things

1:28:04 ↗ um there are other specific occupations

1:28:09 ↗ that are called out in the code like uh

1:28:12 ↗ dog

1:28:13 ↗ kennels um you know you can't small

1:28:17 ↗ engine repair yeah so I mean it's not

1:28:21 ↗ specifically uh calling

1:28:23 ↗ out um someone who sells firewood any

1:28:27 ↗ more so than somebody who does that dog

1:28:30 ↗ kennel I mean there's a rules and

1:28:32 ↗ regulations that have to be F you know

1:28:34 ↗ followed in the code and there this is

1:28:37 ↗ just

1:28:39 ↗ adding you know there are when cities

1:28:41 ↗ are

1:28:43 ↗ formed um some things don't exist and

1:28:47 ↗ then all of a sudden you have

1:28:49 ↗ a um the code allows a um certain type

1:28:55 ↗ of building in an area in a residential

1:28:58 ↗ area that doesn't fit in with the

1:29:00 ↗ neighborhood but it is still built to

1:29:02 ↗ code and so you change the city changes

1:29:05 ↗ the code so it doesn't happen again so

1:29:09 ↗ things are always in flux and moving

1:29:12 ↗ give me your

1:29:17 ↗ opinion well I have heartburn as

1:29:20 ↗ everybody else does with the with the

1:29:25 ↗ number but I'm not sure that's going to

1:29:27 ↗ be a big

1:29:30 ↗ issue and I would

1:29:32 ↗ think

1:29:35 ↗ overall I think you could set

1:29:37 ↗ five boards and with everything else

1:29:40 ↗ that we normally do if for some reason

1:29:42 ↗ the city would start getting a lot of

1:29:45 ↗ complaints that I can't store my

1:29:47 ↗ firewood

1:29:49 ↗ Etc uh that could always be changed

1:29:53 ↗ and I think that this is no more

1:29:57 ↗ egregious than small engine repair

1:29:59 ↗ painting boats or cars or anything like

1:30:01 ↗ that in the neighborhood

1:30:04 ↗ and I would have I would approve

1:30:07 ↗ it same here I have Uh I that sale of

1:30:11 ↗ wood fits very well in that list in

1:30:13 ↗ terms of the type of noise visual

1:30:17 ↗ traffic kind of impact that is

1:30:19 ↗ associated with the other U occupations

1:30:22 ↗ that are not allowed on the list

1:30:27 ↗ um

1:30:29 ↗ still the only thing is the five chords

1:30:32 ↗ and that's not a major I mean from what

1:30:34 ↗ I hear it just sound like it's a one

1:30:37 ↗ that if you have five and a half

1:30:38 ↗ somebody is not going to come and after

1:30:41 ↗ you for that and uh uh two if it is

1:30:44 ↗ really uh four by 20 by 8 it's quite a

1:30:49 ↗ bit of

1:30:50 ↗ wood 32 square feet does anybody else

1:30:55 ↗ have a comment before we are you willing

1:30:57 ↗ to vote on the on the code

1:31:01 ↗ adjustment break it down doesn't isqua

1:31:05 ↗ have like a history of logging and

1:31:07 ↗ sailing selling wood and I mean I mean

1:31:11 ↗ isn't that like our history or something

1:31:13 ↗ I I don't know I'm just

1:31:15 ↗ kid no it's Town not in a residential

1:31:18 ↗ area it's not in our history if it's not

1:31:22 ↗ I don't not for the last 100 years

1:31:24 ↗ anyway or 50 years okay we have two

1:31:27 ↗ things on uh that we had discussed this

1:31:30 ↗ evening one was a firewood and I need a

1:31:35 ↗ motion to

1:31:37 ↗ approve as

1:31:39 ↗ written and I have a motion to approve

1:31:42 ↗ the all

1:31:44 ↗ 180725 yes the code the entire the

1:31:48 ↗ change in the code the addition to add

1:31:50 ↗ firewood to to the present code I move

1:31:53 ↗ the second of motion all those in favor

1:31:56 ↗ I I I all those opposed I you're opposed

1:32:02 ↗ I am opposed as currently written yes

1:32:05 ↗ okay so there are three yeses and two

1:32:07 ↗ NOS or yes yes pass motion

1:32:12 ↗ passes we got to do the

1:32:15 ↗ yeah um second thing on

1:32:19 ↗ our compl this evening is approval of

1:32:22 ↗ the changes to the Wetland reading the

1:32:25 ↗ Wetland reading and the change to uh

1:32:29 ↗ correspond with the state's adjustment

1:32:31 ↗ in

1:32:32 ↗ wording do I have an approve do I have a

1:32:35 ↗ motion I mooved it we approve do I have

1:32:37 ↗ a second I'll second are there any

1:32:39 ↗ further

1:32:40 ↗ discussion all those in favor say I I I

1:32:45 ↗ opposed thank you very much it was a

1:32:47 ↗ great discussion and I hope the city

1:32:50 ↗ understands that we are

1:32:52 ↗ trying very hard to bring out everything

1:32:54 ↗ and that uh uh thanks for coming out

1:32:58 ↗ yeah thank you so much for your com

1:32:59 ↗ really helpful in helping us

1:33:03 ↗ understand

1:33:09 ↗ city thank you it's really hard when you

1:33:12 ↗ you know you you have one side you have

1:33:15 ↗ the other side you know and and you got

1:33:17 ↗ to bring them together in some way so uh

1:33:20 ↗ but again thank you for coming

1:33:22 ↗ yeah thank you so much uh next on what

1:33:26 ↗ sorry took so long oh that's

1:33:32 ↗ rightel the second one motion

1:33:37 ↗ second a

1:33:39 ↗ Ford

1:33:41 ↗ okay she's raing

1:33:44 ↗ long and our

1:33:47 ↗ um many hours of discussion on the

1:33:50 ↗ transportation uh program for the city

1:33:53 ↗ um Gary Costa our uh Transportation

1:33:57 ↗ manager has an update on the

1:34:03 ↗ present great thanks a lot my name's

1:34:05 ↗ Gary Costa nice to see everybody I gu I

1:34:07 ↗ see some new members I haven't met

1:34:09 ↗ before um this is my 16th year in a row

1:34:13 ↗ of making the

1:34:14 ↗ presentation this is actually my last

1:34:17 ↗ one no so um I'm moving on all the

1:34:21 ↗ projects be finished so you don't have

1:34:23 ↗ to do it anymore well that'd be great

1:34:24 ↗ wouldn't it

1:34:26 ↗ overnight a better question is how many

1:34:29 ↗ are going to be finished how many what

1:34:32 ↗ are going to be finished oh well we'll

1:34:34 ↗ have at least two or

1:34:37 ↗ three so this is the uh 2016 2021

1:34:41 ↗ Transportation Improvement program first

1:34:43 ↗ I just wanted to mention that you know

1:34:45 ↗ this is the tip and the reason why we're

1:34:48 ↗ here is because the state law requires

1:34:50 ↗ that we have a tip that moves forward

1:34:53 ↗ that gets adopted by city

1:34:54 ↗ council um that the other the other

1:34:58 ↗ component that we're not talking about

1:35:00 ↗ here is the capital facilities plan and

1:35:02 ↗ the capital facilities plan is typically

1:35:04 ↗ the same as this except that goes

1:35:06 ↗ through a different process to get

1:35:08 ↗ submitted to finance and then the city

1:35:10 ↗ council will uh look at the projects and

1:35:13 ↗ decide what projects they want to move

1:35:14 ↗ forward and which which order they want

1:35:16 ↗ them in and they will prioritize those

1:35:18 ↗ projects whereas the tip the projects

1:35:21 ↗ are not

1:35:23 ↗ prioritized

1:35:25 ↗ um to be able to use state and federal

1:35:28 ↗ funding they must be listed in the tip

1:35:30 ↗ this is the state law that requires this

1:35:33 ↗ um state federal funding and the

1:35:35 ↗ half-cent gas tax

1:35:37 ↗ funding the federal funding which is

1:35:40 ↗ known as moving ahead for progress in

1:35:41 ↗ the 21st century act and there's also

1:35:44 ↗ the transportation Improvement board

1:35:45 ↗ funding uh funds that are used for

1:35:47 ↗ construction projects also need to be on

1:35:50 ↗ the tip

1:35:53 ↗ the U moving head for Progress um for

1:35:57 ↗ the 21st century Act was enacted in July

1:35:59 ↗ 6th of

1:36:00 ↗ 2012 that program is actually to its end

1:36:04 ↗ and now Congress is looking into

1:36:06 ↗ enacting another six-year program uh we

1:36:10 ↗ don't know what that is yet this was

1:36:12 ↗ called map 21 and it authorized the

1:36:14 ↗ federal service Transportation programs

1:36:16 ↗ for highways highway safety and

1:36:20 ↗ Transit

1:36:21 ↗ this year when we are processing the

1:36:23 ↗ 2016 to

1:36:25 ↗ 2021 uh tip uh we're coming forward here

1:36:28 ↗ tonight to the planning policy

1:36:31 ↗ commission uh on May 4th will be the

1:36:33 ↗ city council that will have an agenda

1:36:36 ↗ bill um on consent to set the public

1:36:39 ↗ hearing that will be held on June 1st

1:36:42 ↗ and then the city will present uh the

1:36:45 ↗ tip to the Chamber of government Affairs

1:36:47 ↗ committee and uh just so people

1:36:49 ↗ understand what the tip is can you

1:36:52 ↗ the

1:36:55 ↗ um I'm sorry I didn't hear your question

1:36:58 ↗ the

1:36:59 ↗ tip Improvement program yeah I did

1:37:02 ↗ mention that at the beginning the

1:37:03 ↗ transportation Improvement program um

1:37:06 ↗ that's what it stands for um sorry I

1:37:08 ↗ like I always use acronyms um so it'll

1:37:12 ↗ go forward to the chamber government

1:37:14 ↗ governmental Affairs committee on May

1:37:16 ↗ 21st and also that evening uh the

1:37:19 ↗ council infrastructure committee will

1:37:21 ↗ take a look at

1:37:22 ↗ it then on June 1st will be the public

1:37:25 ↗ hearing once it's adopted a public

1:37:27 ↗ hearing then we'll submit the tip to the

1:37:30 ↗ uh psrc stands for Puget Sound Regional

1:37:33 ↗ Council and that'll be on June 20th and

1:37:37 ↗ then we'll submit it also to Washington

1:37:39 ↗ State Department of Transportation on

1:37:41 ↗ June 27th or by by those dates typically

1:37:44 ↗ it's before

1:37:47 ↗ that now this is a slide that I bring

1:37:49 ↗ out every year we've added a little bit

1:37:51 ↗ more to it um but during the past

1:37:54 ↗ several years uh the PPC has you know

1:37:57 ↗ asked for for certain things to be shown

1:38:00 ↗ in our presentation one of them we've

1:38:02 ↗ Incorporated the charts that show the

1:38:04 ↗ safety capacity and uh projects that are

1:38:07 ↗ related to

1:38:09 ↗ concurrency um it also includes a 20-y

1:38:11 ↗ year future years um project listing

1:38:15 ↗ that we continue to um

1:38:18 ↗ maintain in the past we used to have

1:38:21 ↗ uh a CIP or a tip that included Transit

1:38:26 ↗ and Transit supporter programs and those

1:38:27 ↗ were taken out and now are those are in

1:38:30 ↗ the operating budget but we still

1:38:32 ↗ continue to budget the route 200 Fair

1:38:35 ↗ boox which makes the route

1:38:38 ↗ free and we support the transit now

1:38:40 ↗ route 269 so the city has a certain

1:38:43 ↗ amount of costs under $119,000 a year

1:38:46 ↗ that the city pays for Route

1:38:49 ↗ 269 we have a new route 628 that goes

1:38:52 ↗ from Northbend to isaquel Highlands and

1:38:55 ↗ that route is actually operating very

1:38:57 ↗ successfully and we're in the process of

1:39:00 ↗ uh working with Metro and they've

1:39:02 ↗ they've have committed that they will

1:39:04 ↗ start extend they'll start the route 200

1:39:07 ↗ the new extension to isqua Highlands in

1:39:09 ↗ June of

1:39:10 ↗ 2015 and by March of 2016 and that

1:39:14 ↗ service change it'll be extended to

1:39:16 ↗ Swedish

1:39:18 ↗ Hospital the right time to ask a

1:39:21 ↗ question about Transit then sure so the

1:39:23 ↗ 628 is there any plans to make the the

1:39:27 ↗ last part of it the iso Highlands part

1:39:30 ↗ permanent at some point as opposed to

1:39:33 ↗ having it on

1:39:34 ↗ demand you mean the portion that goes up

1:39:36 ↗ into the community uh no that'll

1:39:39 ↗ continue to stay as far as we know um as

1:39:42 ↗ a a dial in right dial to right route so

1:39:46 ↗ yeah you have any report on how

1:39:47 ↗ successful that all I know working been

1:39:50 ↗ successful I I don't know the numbers

1:39:52 ↗ off

1:39:54 ↗ hand we also include non-motorized

1:39:56 ↗ improvements in the tip through the

1:39:59 ↗ complete streets program uh complete

1:40:02 ↗ streets program is where we provide

1:40:05 ↗ improvements that include bicycle

1:40:07 ↗ pedestrians uh

1:40:10 ↗ everything which makes it

1:40:12 ↗ complete Beyond up and Beyond U uh

1:40:15 ↗ vehicles um includes crosswalks and also

1:40:19 ↗ at traffic signals the push buttons are

1:40:24 ↗ audible we've included the projects that

1:40:26 ↗ came out of the The Walk and Roll which

1:40:28 ↗ is the bike ped

1:40:30 ↗ plan and then we have projects that were

1:40:32 ↗ included in the non-motorized and

1:40:34 ↗ actually not in the slide you can't see

1:40:35 ↗ it it was fell off the screen there uh

1:40:38 ↗ it's nonmotorized

1:40:39 ↗ um traffic mitigation impact

1:40:45 ↗ fees so input into the tip has come from

1:40:49 ↗ many of these uh sources ources uh

1:40:51 ↗ requests from public the city council

1:40:54 ↗ goals um as I mentioned the central

1:40:57 ↗ isqua

1:40:58 ↗ plan the Walk and Roll which is the bike

1:41:01 ↗ ped plan uh we have a new concurrency

1:41:04 ↗ program so we had projects that were

1:41:05 ↗ analyzed for that new concurrency

1:41:07 ↗ program and those projects were listed

1:41:09 ↗ and then we have the roadway impact fee

1:41:11 ↗ and the non-motorized mitigation

1:41:14 ↗ fee uh and then tonight if uh whatever

1:41:17 ↗ comes out of this meeting the planning

1:41:19 ↗ policy commission and then

1:41:21 ↗ we have the Chamber of government

1:41:22 ↗ Affairs committee coming up and then the

1:41:24 ↗ trans the council Transportation

1:41:29 ↗ committee so here's the uh the slide

1:41:32 ↗ that you have this in your packet the

1:41:35 ↗ spreadsheet um what I'm showing here

1:41:37 ↗ with the blue colors are uh new projects

1:41:40 ↗ that have been added by Public Works

1:41:41 ↗ operations for uh three items uh one is

1:41:46 ↗ a Front Street railroad crossing the

1:41:48 ↗ crossing is uh fairly unsafe for

1:41:51 ↗ pedestrians and

1:41:53 ↗ bicyclists and it needs to be replaced

1:41:56 ↗ so this would be funds to allow that to

1:41:59 ↗ occur um you know we always need to keep

1:42:02 ↗ our traffic signals operating and

1:42:03 ↗ Performing correctly and uh traffic

1:42:06 ↗ signal Loops do fail at times so this

1:42:08 ↗ would traffic signal Loop replacement

1:42:11 ↗ would would help

1:42:13 ↗ releve issues we have with maintenance

1:42:15 ↗ of our traffic signals and then we have

1:42:18 ↗ signal poles painting which is in the s

1:42:21 ↗ Highlands the poles are flaking the

1:42:23 ↗ paint is flaking and those need to be

1:42:26 ↗ painted to maintain

1:42:28 ↗ those then the projects shown here in

1:42:30 ↗ green are new uh

1:42:33 ↗ sr900 and I90 eastbound ramps this is to

1:42:36 ↗ provide an additional right turn lane

1:42:39 ↗ coming off of I90 in the eastbound

1:42:41 ↗ direction to

1:42:44 ↗ sr900 to make that a triple Left Right

1:42:46 ↗ Turn there's so much traffic that is

1:42:49 ↗ planned in the 20e period and actually

1:42:52 ↗ now that that Improvement is needed um

1:42:55 ↗ and then the 221st Place Southeast

1:42:58 ↗ improvements this project was originally

1:43:00 ↗ in our

1:43:02 ↗ um North isqua roadway Network

1:43:05 ↗ improvements it was uh we were moving

1:43:07 ↗ forward with this a couple years ago as

1:43:08 ↗ a proposed liid we changed it from An

1:43:12 ↗ Li and and went uh was able to get an

1:43:16 ↗ agreement with with uh Costco uh however

1:43:20 ↗ we needed to reduced the total cost of

1:43:21 ↗ the project so 221st was one of them

1:43:23 ↗ that we took out of the um the north

1:43:26 ↗ isqua Network improvements so we wanted

1:43:29 ↗ to have that project in here because

1:43:31 ↗ there is some improve there are some

1:43:32 ↗ improvements that need to be made along

1:43:34 ↗ there uh for instance sidewalks

1:43:36 ↗ continuing the sidewalks where they are

1:43:38 ↗ missing and um just uh fixing the

1:43:42 ↗ alignment of the roadway and with the

1:43:45 ↗ creek that'll be moved Creek the isqua

1:43:48 ↗ creek will be moved away from to 21st

1:43:50 ↗ but there were no plans to do anything

1:43:52 ↗ with the street so this all question

1:43:54 ↗ about that so um is this separate from I

1:44:00 ↗ was trying to figure out the number two

1:44:02 ↗ 62 Street um and I T both of those and

1:44:07 ↗ I'm very happy to see 6 Street finally I

1:44:10 ↗ think every year for the last many years

1:44:12 ↗ I've asked question about that area

1:44:14 ↗ because I kind of view that as The

1:44:15 ↗ Missing Link in in isaka right now in

1:44:18 ↗ terms of pedestrians and bicycles

1:44:21 ↗ um so is I if I remember correctly that

1:44:25 ↗ the hold up was always the liid uh for

1:44:28 ↗ that area but now you they seem to be

1:44:31 ↗ separated is that the same project in

1:44:33 ↗ two

1:44:34 ↗ different phas or so Southeast

1:44:37 ↗ 62nd will start at Eastlake Sam Parkway

1:44:41 ↗ and there'll be a new alignment that

1:44:43 ↗ will go basically go through the south

1:44:46 ↗ end of those storage units okay and um

1:44:50 ↗ the the intersection point where it will

1:44:52 ↗ intersect with 4th Avenue or 221st will

1:44:55 ↗ be about 300 ft north of where that span

1:44:58 ↗ wire traffic signals

1:45:00 ↗ located uh that'll be the new

1:45:01 ↗ intersection will be a roundabout from

1:45:04 ↗ the roundabout going north we were just

1:45:06 ↗ going to tie into 221st so that's the

1:45:09 ↗ 62nd project would only tie into 221st

1:45:12 ↗ and then on 62nd continuing to the West

1:45:15 ↗ we build a bridge that goes over the

1:45:17 ↗ creek and a bu bridge over the wetlands

1:45:19 ↗ that ties into where Costco is okay I

1:45:22 ↗ was wondering what the

1:45:23 ↗ bridge

1:45:25 ↗ yeah that total cost is that include is

1:45:29 ↗ that the total project cost or total

1:45:32 ↗ cost of um that the city

1:45:38 ↗ will okay anyway you answer yeah it's

1:45:41 ↗ total project cost um which one are you

1:45:44 ↗ talking about the 37 million yeah yeah

1:45:46 ↗ the 37 million is a total project cost

1:45:49 ↗ 24 million of that or so is costos yeah

1:45:52 ↗ okay and then uh we have 9.75 million of

1:45:56 ↗ Transportation Improvement board money

1:45:58 ↗ then the balance of the will be um City

1:46:02 ↗ money where where if at all well

1:46:06 ↗ actually sorry we have $5 million of um

1:46:09 ↗ Department of Commerce funds also okay

1:46:11 ↗ and actually there's basically hardly

1:46:13 ↗ any City money in this project I see

1:46:16 ↗ where if at all and I don't know whose

1:46:18 ↗ responsibility is but on the the uh um

1:46:23 ↗ Main Street in I90

1:46:26 ↗ accident that happened I90 is all wash

1:46:30 ↗ do okay that's the state so even though

1:46:34 ↗ the event was a truck coming

1:46:37 ↗ through um on isqua uh Street are you

1:46:42 ↗ talking about where the truck that hit

1:46:44 ↗ the gerter yes um what's the question

1:46:48 ↗ well is that any responsibility you the

1:46:50 ↗ city no no that was a private P private

1:46:54 ↗ truck that caused that that damage so

1:46:57 ↗ they'll be liable their insurance that's

1:47:00 ↗ that's the state facility so it' be

1:47:02 ↗ state that would be making the repair I

1:47:04 ↗ thought so I just was curious

1:47:10 ↗ right then the the um number 21 in green

1:47:15 ↗ that's the northwest of am Road and

1:47:16 ↗ Southeast 56 Street

1:47:18 ↗ widening uh that basically

1:47:23 ↗ widens the roadway to a five Lane

1:47:25 ↗ facility

1:47:27 ↗ uh on 56 and Northwest M all the way

1:47:30 ↗ over to I90 just the amount of

1:47:33 ↗ development that will occur and with the

1:47:35 ↗ central isqua plan that needs to happen

1:47:37 ↗ for that to be

1:47:39 ↗ successful and then projects 33 through

1:47:42 ↗ 39 were

1:47:44 ↗ basically all from the

1:47:47 ↗ um the bike ped plan um well no excuse

1:47:51 ↗ me um 33 is a bike pad plan 34 is bike

1:47:55 ↗ pad plan uh 35 is a traffic signal at

1:47:59 ↗ second and

1:48:00 ↗ sunset that's out of the um update on

1:48:04 ↗ the

1:48:05 ↗ concurrency uh sr900 widening uh is

1:48:09 ↗ another one that was out of the U

1:48:11 ↗ Transportation roadway

1:48:13 ↗ Improvement uh the southeast black

1:48:15 ↗ Nugget Road widening is same

1:48:17 ↗ thing um 51st Street East Lake s Parkway

1:48:22 ↗ that's from the bike ped plan that's

1:48:24 ↗ adding or excuse me no that's from the

1:48:28 ↗ um the traffic impact fee program to add

1:48:31 ↗ a left turn lane there and then the

1:48:34 ↗ Front Street and Northwest dog Street

1:48:36 ↗ improvements um is to signalize that

1:48:42 ↗ intersection right now it's a pedestrian

1:48:45 ↗ signal what's needed there is a full

1:48:47 ↗ traffic signal to operate the whole

1:48:49 ↗ intersection

1:48:53 ↗ so we go to 61 projects now uh We've

1:48:56 ↗ added 28 new

1:48:58 ↗ projects um number 44 is the Northwest

1:49:01 ↗ mamish road non-motorized

1:49:03 ↗ crossing um that's out of the uh Central

1:49:06 ↗ isqua

1:49:07 ↗ plan uh 45 is 56 street bike lane uh out

1:49:13 ↗ of the bike ped plan was identified to

1:49:15 ↗ make an improvement across East Lake s

1:49:17 ↗ Parkway between on 56 so it's adding

1:49:21 ↗ bike

1:49:22 ↗ Lanes uh

1:49:23 ↗ 46 is the Gilman Boulevard bike lanes

1:49:27 ↗ and sidewalk that's basically along

1:49:28 ↗ Gilman from 900 going east to uh just

1:49:32 ↗ past

1:49:33 ↗ 12 and Newport Way bikan

1:49:37 ↗ ramp uh just um north of sunset there's

1:49:41 ↗ a

1:49:42 ↗ quick um Divergent of the the bike Lan

1:49:48 ↗ that ends on Newport Way actually the

1:49:50 ↗ tra the trail it makes a quick turn and

1:49:52 ↗ it's it's not a real safe location for

1:49:56 ↗ that so that's what what R correct

1:50:00 ↗ that and then the Juniper Street

1:50:02 ↗ sidewalk would install sidewalks on

1:50:04 ↗ Juniper uh 52 is adding a new Trail

1:50:07 ↗ called the West School

1:50:09 ↗ Trail uh 53 is

1:50:13 ↗ um Dogwood Street widening uh and

1:50:16 ↗ sidewalk that's the Northeast Dogwood

1:50:19 ↗ east of Front Street

1:50:21 ↗ 54 is DoD DOD field that ties in over by

1:50:24 ↗ the uh

1:50:26 ↗ school um 55 is squawk Mountain uphill

1:50:31 ↗ bike lane um very important project

1:50:34 ↗ um adds a bike lane and sidewalk going

1:50:37 ↗ up the hill 56 is tibits Park Trail

1:50:40 ↗ connection 57 Northwest Village Park

1:50:42 ↗ Drive bike

1:50:44 ↗ Lanes uh 40 uh 58 is on 43rd way the

1:50:49 ↗ bike Lane kind of ends and goes into a

1:50:52 ↗ shoulder and that will modify that

1:50:54 ↗ little connection to the

1:50:56 ↗ roadway uh 59 is La laughing Jacob's

1:50:59 ↗ Trail which basically parallels 43rd but

1:51:03 ↗ it's a trail that's away from the

1:51:04 ↗ roadway UH 60 is the water ditch Trail

1:51:08 ↗ um and 61 is syore crossing improvements

1:51:11 ↗ it's to help get pedestrians across

1:51:14 ↗ Front Street at

1:51:18 ↗ Sycamore with that this slide is showing

1:51:21 ↗ the projects by these are roadway

1:51:23 ↗ Improvement projects for the first 51

1:51:26 ↗ projects we're showing

1:51:29 ↗ here then it goes and shows U the

1:51:32 ↗ maintenance of the street

1:51:34 ↗ overlays and then all of the

1:51:36 ↗ non-motorized

1:51:38 ↗ improvements and then at the bottom the

1:51:40 ↗ other agency projects that's the sr900

1:51:43 ↗ I90 eastbound ramps and the Front Street

1:51:45 ↗ 990

1:51:48 ↗ interchange for a total of uh

1:51:51 ↗ 384 M1

1:51:56 ↗ 189,000 and in your packet you had this

1:51:58 ↗ slide is continuing to show how the

1:52:02 ↗ projects relate between roadway capacity

1:52:04 ↗ Transit supportive sidewalks and

1:52:06 ↗ non-motorized

1:52:08 ↗ uh I think since you had that in your

1:52:10 ↗ packet I'm going to avoid going through

1:52:11 ↗ each one of

1:52:13 ↗ those and then this is a continuation of

1:52:15 ↗ up through

1:52:17 ↗ 46 better see it and here this through

1:52:22 ↗ 61

1:52:25 ↗ um it's a new slide that we've added

1:52:27 ↗ this year because we wanted to be able

1:52:30 ↗ to see what projects were related to

1:52:33 ↗ whether they're the roadway impact fees

1:52:35 ↗ that just got adopted this year and then

1:52:37 ↗ the the multimodal uh impact

1:52:39 ↗ fees so out of

1:52:42 ↗ um

1:52:44 ↗ um quite a few are are have a yes on

1:52:47 ↗ both columns uh but these are all only

1:52:50 ↗ the ones I'm showing here are the ones

1:52:51 ↗ with either a yes in one or the other or

1:52:56 ↗ both and through 45 this is through

1:53:03 ↗ 61 and also in your packet uh typically

1:53:06 ↗ we show you know compare it to what's in

1:53:08 ↗ the comp plan and so we're trying to

1:53:11 ↗ continue to do that these projects are

1:53:13 ↗ the the roadway capacity

1:53:15 ↗ projects so the the right column are the

1:53:18 ↗ projects listed in the tip and those uh

1:53:22 ↗ correlate to what's in the uh comp plan

1:53:26 ↗ so you can see what projects we have in

1:53:28 ↗ the tip that'll meet the comp plan and

1:53:30 ↗ then the bottom half are projects that

1:53:32 ↗ have been

1:53:35 ↗ completed the second slide on that is

1:53:38 ↗ are the projects that are on the

1:53:39 ↗ non-motorized

1:53:40 ↗ component and the same same thing about

1:53:43 ↗ the layout of the

1:53:48 ↗ slide uh this wasn't in your packet so I

1:53:51 ↗ apologize we didn't must have missed

1:53:54 ↗ this when we got this out but we've

1:53:56 ↗ provided this last year uh where we're

1:53:58 ↗ showing in the six-year period um what

1:54:02 ↗ phase of the project we're going to be

1:54:03 ↗ in so whether it's design uh RightWay or

1:54:07 ↗ in construction the East Lake s Parkway

1:54:09 ↗ project we're getting ready to go out to

1:54:11 ↗ construction with that now um that

1:54:15 ↗ hopefully will be done early 2016 not

1:54:19 ↗ very far into

1:54:20 ↗ 2016 in u the second one North is ofo

1:54:23 ↗ roadway 62 improvements were're in

1:54:26 ↗ design and we'll be going through the

1:54:28 ↗ RightWay acquisition in 2016 continuing

1:54:31 ↗ with design RightWay acquisition in 2016

1:54:34 ↗ and start construction in

1:54:36 ↗ 2017 and then on the the number three

1:54:39 ↗ project we didn't want to start

1:54:40 ↗ construction on that roadway until we

1:54:41 ↗ finished construction on on 62 because

1:54:45 ↗ some of that project some of that

1:54:46 ↗ traffic will uh be using um 12 Avenue

1:54:50 ↗ once 62nd is open then we go and do work

1:54:53 ↗ on on 12th it's going to not have such

1:54:56 ↗ an

1:54:57 ↗ impact then we have the Front Street

1:54:59 ↗ railroad replacement this year or 2016

1:55:03 ↗ Street overlays for the next six years

1:55:06 ↗ annual Loop Replacements and then the

1:55:08 ↗ Holly Street will start

1:55:09 ↗ design um in 2016 complete design 2017

1:55:13 ↗ construction

1:55:15 ↗ 2018 uh we got the signal pole painting

1:55:17 ↗ that would occur next year

1:55:21 ↗ in um 2018 we would start with the

1:55:24 ↗ design of three Trails Crossing that I

1:55:26 ↗ don't know if you know what that is but

1:55:28 ↗ that is dis signalizing the uh Rainer

1:55:31 ↗ and or sorry Juniper and Gilman

1:55:37 ↗ intersection uh Northwest Gilman safety

1:55:39 ↗ improvements would occur designed in

1:55:41 ↗ 2018 and uh construction

1:55:46 ↗ 2019 and the piine trail with would

1:55:49 ↗ occur start design in 2019 and 2020 and

1:55:52 ↗ Construction in

1:55:54 ↗ 2021 and the Northwest samam Road uh

1:55:58 ↗ Missing when 11th and 12th over crossing

1:56:00 ↗ that's an important project we show that

1:56:02 ↗ in 2020 in RightWay acquisition 21 the

1:56:05 ↗ construction would occur in future years

1:56:07 ↗ now we're getting into mostly future

1:56:10 ↗ year projects um Sr 900 samam Road

1:56:14 ↗ widening actually that shows

1:56:15 ↗ construction that should have been a D

1:56:16 ↗ should be designed and then the rest of

1:56:19 ↗ those are design with going out in the

1:56:21 ↗ future

1:56:24 ↗ years and this is another slide that um

1:56:28 ↗ didn't get into your packet but we are

1:56:30 ↗ showing here where the projects are the

1:56:33 ↗ C is for um capacity related the N is

1:56:38 ↗ non-motorized M is for

1:56:41 ↗ maintenance um s is safety uh D is

1:56:44 ↗ drainage and O is operations P PKG is

1:56:47 ↗ parking so you can see here

1:56:50 ↗ basically how um how these project will

1:56:54 ↗ fit into those categories the pro the

1:56:56 ↗ type of project that they are

1:57:00 ↗ um pretty much pretty a balance of of um

1:57:05 ↗ a lot of the categories non-motorized is

1:57:07 ↗ pretty heavy um and capacity is fairly

1:57:10 ↗ heavy but we need additional capacity in

1:57:12 ↗ the city

1:57:17 ↗ so and this is the same

1:57:20 ↗ uh a lot more non-motorized in the

1:57:22 ↗ screen than on capacity increasing

1:57:27 ↗ projects and this is the map that you

1:57:29 ↗ have and I'm going to conclude my

1:57:31 ↗ presentation and I can answer any

1:57:36 ↗ questions so um am I correct that the

1:57:39 ↗ only um I90

1:57:43 ↗ Crossing tunnel bridge whatever going

1:57:47 ↗ from one side of the city to the other

1:57:49 ↗ is the 31 which is a nonmotorized uh no

1:57:53 ↗ there's several um let me just go back

1:57:59 ↗ to

1:58:01 ↗ see that would

1:58:03 ↗ add additional crossings that would

1:58:06 ↗ maintain or improve on current

1:58:10 ↗ ones so you have 14 is a Crossing 11th

1:58:14 ↗ and 12th over

1:58:16 ↗ Crossing so uh we have 31 10th Avenue

1:58:20 ↗ non-motorized Crossing and we have

1:58:22 ↗ another

1:58:24 ↗ one

1:58:25 ↗ um some am number 44 Northwest Mish road

1:58:28 ↗ non-motorized

1:58:37 ↗ crossing uh

1:58:39 ↗ 31

1:58:47 ↗ and I think that's it

1:58:50 ↗ first one was 10 so there's

1:58:59 ↗ three 14 will include bike lanes and

1:59:07 ↗ sidewalk anybody

1:59:09 ↗ else Gary we uh we we pulled out of the

1:59:14 ↗ tip the the buses right is is there any

1:59:19 ↗ reason why we can't do the same for

1:59:21 ↗ those

1:59:23 ↗ uh the annual Street overlay the

1:59:26 ↗ complete Street program and the annual

1:59:29 ↗ Loop replacement no we can't do that

1:59:32 ↗ because those need to be here to be able

1:59:33 ↗ to use the state funds half cent gas tax

1:59:36 ↗ money uh and other state funding that we

1:59:38 ↗ might use okay so that need to be in the

1:59:41 ↗ tip the other question I've gotten it's

1:59:43 ↗ one that I understand the whole

1:59:48 ↗ system I'm curious as to how the

1:59:52 ↗ railroad crossing

1:59:54 ↗ replacement and the signal pole

1:59:58 ↗ painting all of a sudden never seen

2:00:01 ↗ those before and somehow

2:00:05 ↗ $750,000

2:00:07 ↗ appeared seems to me they should be

2:00:11 ↗ somewhere further down the line at some

2:00:12 ↗ of these other projects that are in the

2:00:15 ↗ Perpetual hold pattern should have been

2:00:18 ↗ able to move up a a little bit and I'm

2:00:20 ↗ curious as how that happens well on the

2:00:22 ↗ is it a matter of just that you've got

2:00:24 ↗ the money available and we're going to

2:00:26 ↗ do it or we have to do it because I

2:00:28 ↗ don't think you have to paint the sign

2:00:29 ↗ post the

2:00:32 ↗ poles as far as the the rail road

2:00:35 ↗ crossing Improvement we tried to get um

2:00:38 ↗ a grant we applied for a grant last year

2:00:41 ↗ and we didn't didn't get the Grant and

2:00:43 ↗ it is at a point they need to Overlay

2:00:45 ↗ Front Street because it's it needs it

2:00:48 ↗ and they need to do do this repair on

2:00:50 ↗ the railroad tracks so they can do the

2:00:53 ↗ overlay so it's kind of a it's catching

2:00:56 ↗ up to to um getting the overlays

2:00:59 ↗ completed

2:01:02 ↗ um the the the signal poles I think

2:01:05 ↗ those have I don't think I don't know

2:01:07 ↗ how long they've

2:01:08 ↗ been peeling the paint chipping and

2:01:12 ↗ peeling but I don't think it's been uh

2:01:14 ↗ very long

2:01:15 ↗ ago and we can't continue to let that go

2:01:19 ↗ because by doing that that's we don't

2:01:21 ↗ want to have to spend a lot more money

2:01:23 ↗ on having to replace poles okay I just

2:01:26 ↗ again it just yeah never seen it before

2:01:28 ↗ and all of a sudden it's not only on the

2:01:30 ↗ list but it's at the top of the list

2:01:32 ↗ where there's other projects I think

2:01:34 ↗ before they just put it into the um the

2:01:38 ↗ capital

2:01:39 ↗ request um we we left it on the TP

2:01:43 ↗ typically we probably wouldn't show it

2:01:44 ↗ on the tip it would just be in the

2:01:46 ↗ capital facilities plan but we wanted to

2:01:48 ↗ mirror image the tip with the capital

2:01:51 ↗ facilities plan so it really doesn't

2:01:53 ↗ need to be on the tip but because we're

2:01:56 ↗ making it so that the numbers come out

2:01:58 ↗ the same as a

2:01:59 ↗ cfp um it's on here really doesn't

2:02:03 ↗ really have a it's not a problem being

2:02:04 ↗ on here

2:02:07 ↗ okay thank you you're welcome I have a

2:02:10 ↗ couple

2:02:11 ↗ questions first one probably it really

2:02:13 ↗ doesn't well kind of fits into this um

2:02:17 ↗ we hear a lot about traffic

2:02:19 ↗ currency and so are all of these

2:02:25 ↗ projects looked at and included in our

2:02:28 ↗ present

2:02:30 ↗ ABCDEF of traffic

2:02:33 ↗ currency so there are okay let me put it

2:02:36 ↗ this way all the projects in the

2:02:38 ↗ concurrency are

2:02:39 ↗ here there are some projects that are

2:02:42 ↗ not in here that are not in concurrency

2:02:44 ↗ because we can't force a or I'm sorry

2:02:48 ↗ I'm thinking of impact fees sorry

2:02:52 ↗ um I would say most of these projects

2:02:54 ↗ are in the

2:02:58 ↗ concurrency when I say most you know

2:03:01 ↗ there might be something that's not a

2:03:02 ↗ capacity related

2:03:03 ↗ Improvement um it may not need to be in

2:03:06 ↗ concurrency but polls I understand that

2:03:09 ↗ but it it's hard for me to um anyway

2:03:13 ↗ that's just one of

2:03:14 ↗ my how you judge traffic and currency

2:03:18 ↗ how you judge this building all this

2:03:20 ↗ these new homes and facilities in the

2:03:22 ↗ city are going to be you know the

2:03:25 ↗ traffic is going to be uh taken care of

2:03:27 ↗ when you put all of these projects in

2:03:29 ↗ there and they're not going to be even

2:03:31 ↗ started till 2021 it's hard to justify

2:03:35 ↗ it now that might change um one thing

2:03:39 ↗ that did we didn't do in this six-year

2:03:42 ↗ period right now uh because we don't nor

2:03:45 ↗ know with the new change in the impact

2:03:47 ↗ fees that we're going to be collecting

2:03:48 ↗ we don't know how much money the city's

2:03:51 ↗ going to be bringing in with that once

2:03:52 ↗ we start collecting those fees and that

2:03:54 ↗ starts increasing then we'll be able to

2:03:56 ↗ modify this next year and add more

2:03:59 ↗ projects so we'll be able to start

2:04:01 ↗ adjusting that when we start seeing how

2:04:03 ↗ much money will be coming in through

2:04:05 ↗ those impact

2:04:07 ↗ fees second question is uh a lot of the

2:04:09 ↗ funding sources include the the Reit

2:04:13 ↗ right and what's kind of a general idea

2:04:15 ↗ what you expect to get in every year

2:04:18 ↗ with portion of the reate for Capital

2:04:21 ↗ Improvement what kind of what please the

2:04:25 ↗ reate that you get real estate excise

2:04:27 ↗ tax yes uh since I'm so involved with

2:04:30 ↗ the Realtors and the state and their new

2:04:34 ↗ um coming out with new issues and new

2:04:36 ↗ way to spend the Reit um I was just

2:04:39 ↗ wondering as a general idea how much

2:04:42 ↗ money you do the city

2:04:44 ↗ does uh get through the Reit in order to

2:04:48 ↗ be used for uh Capital Improvements I

2:04:51 ↗ wouldn't be able to answer the question

2:04:52 ↗ as far as the amount of money they get

2:04:55 ↗ but there's only certain portion of reat

2:04:57 ↗ that can be used on non-motorized and

2:04:58 ↗ only and only can be used on

2:04:59 ↗ non-motorized

2:05:00 ↗ 25% go to the other portion can be used

2:05:03 ↗ on on roads but I don't have that number

2:05:06 ↗ I don't know I could find out for you I

2:05:09 ↗ know there's a lot of uh um looking

2:05:12 ↗ through all the different projects and

2:05:14 ↗ where you expect the money to come from

2:05:15 ↗ a lot of it is coming from Reed and um

2:05:20 ↗ wondering how much actually we get a

2:05:22 ↗ year in order that goes to fund Pro

2:05:24 ↗ those

2:05:26 ↗ projects anything

2:05:30 ↗ else as usual thank you and I'm sorry

2:05:32 ↗ that this is going to be your last uh

2:05:35 ↗ well it's been fun to come here and

2:05:37 ↗ present to you every year and

2:05:40 ↗ um well congratulations and I know the

2:05:42 ↗ city will miss you and uh we appreciate

2:05:45 ↗ all the stuff that you've done for the

2:05:47 ↗ city I know it it's uh not going to be

2:05:51 ↗ done but you still have to maintain the

2:05:53 ↗ numbers and put it in the right position

2:05:55 ↗ and I know it's a lot of work so anyway

2:05:58 ↗ thank you very much appr

2:06:00 ↗ service with that is there anything

2:06:09 ↗ else not on I'm

2:06:15 ↗ wondering and I'm wondering am I on now

2:06:18 ↗ and I'm wondering if there's anything

2:06:20 ↗ you wanted to add you usually say that

2:06:22 ↗ everything looks okay are there

2:06:24 ↗ different pieces often we add pieces

2:06:27 ↗ about Transit that we would like some

2:06:29 ↗ more money going to transit or we would

2:06:31 ↗ like them to look at certain things is

2:06:33 ↗ there anything that compelled you in

2:06:35 ↗ this presentation of things that you

2:06:37 ↗ would like to add to the recommendation

2:06:39 ↗ this year things that Council should

2:06:41 ↗ know about since you

2:06:42 ↗ asking um I I would love to see the the

2:06:46 ↗ I90 Crossings you know raise higher in

2:06:51 ↗ the priorities this is a big Central

2:06:55 ↗ component of the central EA plan and um

2:06:58 ↗ you know Isa needs that connection

2:07:01 ↗ between the two the North and the South

2:07:03 ↗ End of

2:07:04 ↗ it I want it all done

2:07:07 ↗ now duly noted before Gary leaves before

2:07:11 ↗ Gary can leave until it's all done sorry

2:07:14 ↗ can't do it we can use weekend hours for

2:07:17 ↗ to get it done by May

2:07:20 ↗ anything else thank you okay I'll draft

2:07:23 ↗ that up then that's all then big night

2:07:26 ↗ make sure that Gary does get his due and

2:07:29 ↗ you say has done a great great job in

2:07:34 ↗ okay putting up with the same questions

2:07:36 ↗ every year every every time I know the

2:07:40 ↗ three of you haven't had it as long as

2:07:42 ↗ the three of us have and we do ask the

2:07:45 ↗ same questions but a lot of the pieces

2:07:48 ↗ that he presents now is because of PPC

2:07:51 ↗ all the different ways of showing you

2:07:52 ↗ know are they safety improvements are

2:07:54 ↗ they capacity improvements are they I

2:07:56 ↗ mean that and also from going from the

2:07:58 ↗ sixth year to the 20 year that all came

2:08:00 ↗ from you guys because you always said

2:08:03 ↗ you know our plans aren't six years why

2:08:04 ↗ is the tip and so they added that you

2:08:07 ↗ know they don't send that part to the

2:08:08 ↗ state because the state doesn't require

2:08:10 ↗ that but that was all put in because of

2:08:12 ↗ PPC asking every year this doesn't fit

2:08:14 ↗ with what we do and so um you you have

2:08:18 ↗ had a good relationship with

2:08:20 ↗ Gary one of the changes that the

2:08:23 ↗ legislature is considering with the Reit

2:08:26 ↗ is to change the the way it's divided

2:08:29 ↗ but only if the top

2:08:34 ↗ six the projects are done within six

2:08:37 ↗ years and so I don't know how that's

2:08:39 ↗ going to affect how you get money and

2:08:41 ↗ what you can use the money for so

2:08:43 ↗ there's a lot of changes coming down so

2:08:46 ↗ if there's nothing else I'm going to we

2:08:48 ↗ all set close the meeting at

2:08:52 ↗ 8:40 wow long night thank you busy night

2:08:55 ↗ you guys did really well there were some

2:08:57 ↗ tough we weren't quite sure how the

2:08:59 ↗ neighborhood if there would be you know

2:09:01 ↗ a fight in the audience or what that

2:09:03 ↗ would be like Christopher was a little

2:09:05 ↗ nervous I appreciate their comments but

2:09:06 ↗ I really appreciate these guys because

2:09:08 ↗ they really um looked at the situation

2:09:11 ↗ and came up with some thoughts you know

2:09:14 ↗ stimulating that's part that's fun

2:09:16 ↗ because it's a hard what was interesting

2:09:17 ↗ is that uh gentleman got up and

2:09:41 ↗ left

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