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Monday, January 25, 2021

7:00 PM · 1h 47m
Topics tracked across meetings:
Central Park Pad #3 Turf Replacement AB 8130 1/3
2020 Community Awards Recognition ID 0790 1/2
Recovery Task Force Follow Up ID 0722 6/6
Section
1. CALL TO ORDER
1a
Membership
packet pp.3
Staff report:
Park Board About Staff Liaison Created in 1983, this board provides guidance and Milissa Ching, Office Manager direction in meeting the City’s parks and Email recreational needs by advising the Mayor and Parks & Recreation Director on matters relating to the Regular Members planning; acquisition, development; and operation 2022 - Bradley Book of parks, facilities and recreational programs inside 2022 - Ruben Nieto the City limits. 2022 - Jonathan Richardson 2022 - Linda Whitworth Membership 2023 - Chris Kovac The Park Board is comprised of nine regular 2020 - Joe Frauenheim members, with four-year terms; and two 2020 - Carl Riess alternates, with two-year terms. All members are 2021 - Jeremy Noble appointed by the Mayor and subject to 2021 - Danielle Wolfrom Githens confirmation by the City Council. Terms expire April 30 of the year listed. For more information, see Alternate Members…
4. REGULAR BUSINESS
4a
Central Park Pad 3 Turf Replacement - Update, (D)
Director, Jennifer Fink, Park Planner and · 30 min · Jeff Watling, Parks and Community Services · packet pp.7–15
Topics: Parks
Staff report:
II. 2021 Turf Replacement Project Framework III. Infill Information IV.
4b
2021 Work Plan
Director · 20 min · Jeff Watling, Parks and Community Services · packet pp.17–21
Staff report:
QUARTER 1 QUARTER 2 QUARTER 3 QUARTER 4 PROJECT NAME PROJECT DESCRIPTION JANUARY FEBRUARY MARCH APRIL MAY JUNE JULY AUGUST SEPTEMBER OCTOBER NOVEMBER DECEMBER
4c
Recovery Task Force Follow Up
Director · 15 min · Jeff Watling, Parks and Community Services
4d
2020 Community Awards Nominees
Action · 5 min · Brian Berntsen, Recreation Manager
5. REPORTS
5a
Chairperson's Report
5b
Director's Report
5c
Student Rep Report
0:09 okay welcome everyone
0:10 to the january 25th 2021 park board
0:15 meeting
0:17 we have a fairly good size group here
0:19 for
0:20 for this evening and
0:25 i'm going to start with the
0:29 minutes review here does anybody have
0:31 any comments or
0:32 concerns about our minutes from our last
0:34 meeting in
0:35 i guess it was december early part of
0:37 december
0:40 i'm not seeing any buddy having issues
0:44 uh would somebody like to make a motion
0:46 to approve minutes
0:54 reuben raised his hand reuben anybody
0:57 like to make a second for a minute
1:04 someone april raised her hand
1:08 thank you april so minutes are approved
1:13 so i'm going to go through do roll call
1:15 with everyone
1:16 and if um you could just
1:19 uh state that you are here
1:24 uh and that will do it
1:27 so chris
1:31 i'm here and april
1:36 present and reuben
1:40 president and danielle
1:44 i'm a present and
1:47 uh we have jeremy join us jeremy could
1:50 you
1:51 uh confirm that you're here please
2:00 jeremy you linked up yet
2:05 yeah i'm here okay thank you
2:13 uh we have heard from jonathan and linda
2:15 that they will not be here this evening
2:18 and marlene's gonna show up a little bit
2:20 late and uh
2:22 we'll wait for carl here sometime along
2:24 the way
2:27 so given that i'm not seeing
2:30 any people from the community
2:35 do you have anybody listed uh melissa
2:38 from public for comments
2:41 i do not and we did not get any emails
2:43 either okay
2:47 so i guess public comments are open and
2:49 closed
2:53 and that leads us into regular business
2:56 we're going to have
2:57 uh four items tonight for regular
2:59 business a central park pad
3:02 three we're going to be having a
3:03 discussion about turf replacement
3:06 uh we have uh some information about
3:09 the 2021 work plan that jeff's going to
3:12 clarify some things we have some
3:15 information about the recovery task
3:17 force
3:18 and the 2020 community awards is going
3:21 to be something up for us to make a
3:23 action item uh
3:27 so given that i guess we'll get started
3:29 with uh
3:30 central park chad three i don't know if
3:33 jeff
3:33 or jennifer probably a tag team match on
3:36 this one
3:38 a bit of a tag team i'll uh i'll kick it
3:40 off and then turn it over to jennifer
3:42 for the presentation and
3:43 dave andrews as well thanks a lot brad
3:47 good evening everyone happy new year
3:49 i'm excited to present this update to
3:53 you
3:53 as you likely recall late last year as
3:56 we were going through the budget process
3:58 and also identifying our initial work
4:00 plan uh the replacement of
4:03 um the turf fields at central park pad
4:05 three um were
4:07 on our uh approved budget list and
4:10 therefore on our our work plan to get
4:11 done this year
4:13 tonight really is a chance to update you
4:15 on the work we've done to get that
4:17 project ready
4:18 um and and out to bid early so that we
4:20 can
4:21 have flexibility in not only awarding
4:25 that but
4:26 getting it scheduled um we also
4:29 um for some from some prior conversation
4:32 we have with you really want to have a
4:34 conversation a little more focused
4:35 conversation with that project
4:37 about a a policy decision and and i have
4:40 a discussion around
4:42 um the choice of of infill um
4:46 that we would like to utilize within
4:47 that that project if you recall with
4:49 synthetic turf
4:51 synthetic turf systems consist of the
4:54 fiber
4:54 the grass itself but then the infill
4:59 often sand crumb rubber mix is what
5:02 historically has done
5:04 we think there's a real opportunity with
5:05 the timing of this project
5:07 industry advancements have come a long
5:09 ways even the last three years
5:11 from when we had this discussion with
5:13 pad one
5:16 and uh just the the budget that was
5:18 awarded with this project i think gives
5:20 us some real opportunities to consider
5:22 some alternatives
5:23 and and is this the time that we want to
5:25 consider a more
5:27 organic infill type
5:30 uh for these two fields so we really
5:34 um in the presentation that jennifer
5:36 jennifer's going to give
5:38 dave andrews who's our consultant
5:39 landscape architect and and turf guru is
5:42 here too
5:43 uh to facilitate um answer any questions
5:45 you have and just have a discussion
5:47 tonight and see if there's a
5:48 perspective you all have as we
5:52 move forward with this project i know
5:54 the mayor will be very interested
5:56 to hear um your opinions and and where
6:00 you might want to go
6:02 in terms of type of infill we may want
6:04 to consider so with that
6:06 uh jen fink project manager take it away
6:13 first thing is unmute and now let me
6:15 share my screen
6:16 bear with me
6:49 sorry bear with me a second here
7:00 is pulling the wrong screen hold on
7:18 there we go hold on one second here
7:22 there we go how's that
7:26 looks great so
7:29 um hi everyone nice to be giving you
7:33 an update on the central park pad 3
7:36 project um tonight we have with us
7:39 dave andrews who is our consultant with
7:42 cph consultants and he also helped us
7:46 with our
7:46 um pad one and also central park pad
7:50 three
7:51 way back when back in 2008 when it was
7:54 first installed so dave has a lot of
7:55 history
7:56 um with central park and we look forward
7:59 to his contribution to the conversations
8:01 tonight
8:02 as well as artificial turf fields
8:06 um we're going to provide a brief
8:09 presentation on the central park pad 3
8:12 background kind of the previous project
8:14 that
8:15 we're going to be replacing the turf on
8:18 we'll also talk about the framework
8:20 of the church replacement project for
8:23 this year
8:25 um also we'll be talking about the
8:27 different types of
8:28 infill and then we're going to pose the
8:30 question and open it
8:32 up for discussion is there a preference
8:34 that you the park board would like to
8:36 use for infill at central park pad 3.
8:42 central park pad 3 some of the
8:43 backgrounds the the fields that are
8:45 there now
8:46 were constructed in 2008 and they were
8:49 funded with the 2006
8:51 park bond the carpet and
8:54 infill that is used there is pure sbr
8:58 rubber
8:59 uh there is no sand in those in on those
9:02 fields
9:03 as infill and artificial turf
9:06 systems um their life cycle is pretty
9:09 short
9:10 it's a 8 to 15 year period depending
9:13 upon use and where
9:14 and right now we're in that you know 12
9:17 13 year
9:18 mark or replacement
9:22 uh here are the aerial view of the
9:25 fields
9:25 and you can see some of the wear that is
9:27 occurring up there they get a heavy
9:30 use um the turf itself
9:33 is at the end of its useful life it's
9:35 starting to
9:37 not respond like it should and we also
9:40 have the turf replacement fund with
9:43 with the creation of central park pad
9:45 one
9:46 artificial turf field with the rental of
9:49 those fields we take
9:51 a portion of the fund the money's
9:53 received
9:54 to pay for maintenance and operations
9:56 but also to go into the turf replacement
9:58 fund
9:59 as part of our annual maintenance
10:01 project knowing that with these
10:02 artificial turf field investments there
10:05 is a life cycle
10:06 cost and so we do have some funding
10:08 available
10:09 to use for this project
10:13 here's another view you can see that
10:16 these fields are typically
10:18 used for your rectangular sports which
10:22 are soccer lacrosse and football
10:24 and you can see some of the wear
10:26 patterns that are starting to
10:28 happen in the fields from heavy use
10:33 some of the framework for this turf
10:35 replacement project
10:36 was really we want to maintain the same
10:38 uses that we're getting which is soccer
10:40 lacrosse and football
10:42 we have to replace both the carpet
10:46 and the infill system which is much like
10:50 replacing the carpet in your home
10:53 the drainage which is part of the
10:55 substructure of the artificial turf
10:57 fields
10:58 that is going to remain as is um
11:01 we hope to not have to touch that and
11:03 other than maybe fill in some low spots
11:05 or some settling
11:06 but that is pretty much remaining as is
11:10 um but as part of this project we also
11:13 wanted to avoid
11:15 certain types of infill that may require
11:18 watering as additional forms of
11:21 maintenance
11:24 we'll get into it in the next screen but
11:26 there are also as part of the
11:28 carpet and infill systems there's
11:32 oftentimes
11:32 a pad that gets added to much like a pad
11:36 on your carpet at home
11:39 part of the scope of the project is also
11:42 to replace
11:43 the damaged fence sections if you've
11:45 been up there
11:47 from soccer and lacrosse balls
11:49 specifically
11:50 when they miss the net they hit the
11:52 fence and
11:54 do some damage and there's quite a bit
11:55 of bowing so in just some certain areas
11:58 we'll be replacing
11:59 um four foot sections of fence it is not
12:02 it's a nominal cost to the project uh
12:05 but fortunately
12:07 uh we are going to be able to do the
12:10 full project
12:11 carpet replacement infill options
12:14 available and potentially add a carpet
12:17 and still stay within
12:18 or a pad and still stay within our
12:21 available budget of 1.6 million provided
12:24 for this project
12:27 here's kind of where we're at with the
12:30 line configurations
12:33 going more towards a universal striping
12:36 system for men's and women's lacrosse
12:39 and also it's very hard to see but there
12:42 are going to be tick lines out here for
12:44 football which
12:46 had not previously been on the field
12:49 but still have the soccer and lacrosse
12:52 lines much like they do right now
12:59 so as we explored infill options for the
13:02 artificial tour
13:04 we looked at um the sbr rubber
13:08 with sand and pea gravel infill this is
13:11 the same type of infill that we have
13:13 existing up at central park pad one
13:16 um it's an economical
13:21 and very commonly used product
13:24 but one of the other options we explored
13:26 was looking at going to a more organic
13:29 infill which
13:32 in doing so it does require a pad to be
13:36 laid down
13:37 underneath the carpet before it goes
13:39 down and it helps with fall
13:42 attenuation and those pads typically
13:46 though it's an
13:46 initial investment at this time they do
13:49 have a 20 to 30 year life span so they
13:52 could last
13:54 another one two and maybe even a third
13:57 replacement cycle depending upon
14:01 the product used but we've also explored
14:05 a hybrid which is an organic port
14:08 with rubber the percent of rubber used
14:11 is much less than
14:15 what would be on a full rubber field or
14:17 a sand rubber
14:18 mixed field but there is a little bit of
14:22 rubber in there like i said all of the
14:26 options we explored
14:28 fit within our available budget and
14:31 i did send out um as a pre-meeting
14:35 informational item some definitions
14:38 about
14:38 the different types of rubber
14:42 the rubber infill what cork infill how
14:45 silica sand is used as part of these
14:47 infill systems
14:49 um and i'm sorry they didn't get it
14:53 attached as part of the meeting packet
14:55 but we will attach them as part of the
14:56 meeting minutes as well
14:58 but if you have any questions about that
15:02 we've got dave here that can also help
15:04 answer some questions
15:06 um so with that i would like to just
15:09 open it up to jeff
15:12 or if he has any additional comments or
15:16 dave
15:16 and the park board
15:22 jen thank you for that that overview
15:24 it's jeff again just
15:25 i think real quick and then turn it over
15:27 to you brad for discussion
15:29 um jen mentioned the turf replacement
15:32 fund uh we just wanted to note that
15:34 in the presentation as you recall um as
15:38 that is a new funding source that was
15:39 adopted in 2018
15:42 that's not fully funding this project
15:44 and wasn't
15:45 intended to but um it is certainly
15:48 funding a portion of the project
15:50 the intention is as that turf
15:51 replacement fund builds up over multiple
15:53 years by the time we're replacing
15:56 the turf at pad one that was done in
15:59 2018 we'll be
16:01 much closer to if not fully funding
16:05 the turf replacement projects um
16:08 jennifer's mentioned reference of
16:10 football tick lines what those will be
16:12 is 10 a 10 yard increments along the
16:15 sidelines there will be
16:17 different coloration that will allow as
16:20 we know there's a lot of football
16:22 practices that are up there but would
16:24 allow
16:25 sort of an easy placement of cones or
16:27 other markers
16:29 to assist with uh with those practices
16:32 and those
16:33 uses one thing i was going to mention in
16:36 terms of as we're exploring these
16:37 options
16:38 um sbr um i'm gonna have to phone a
16:42 friend i don't know what that acronym is
16:44 but
16:45 basically it's reference to the
16:46 traditional crumb rubber
16:48 crush tire product dave can probably
16:51 give specifics of that
16:53 um there's a fourth type of
16:56 um infill that we um
16:59 that's out there that we're not
17:01 considering um
17:02 really because of i think more than
17:04 anything budget what we're presenting
17:06 with these three general options
17:07 is as we look at at prices
17:11 we'd be purchasing this turf through
17:14 kcda which is a co-op we belong to it's
17:17 how we purchase
17:18 pad one fields we feel confident that we
17:21 have budget
17:22 with any of those three options we
17:24 presented
17:25 there's a there's a the industry's
17:27 starting to look at thermoplastics
17:29 and i'm not going to act like i'm a
17:30 scientist that i know what
17:32 thermoplastics are but imagine
17:34 the infill being plastic instead of
17:36 rubber
17:38 it's still quite costly and would
17:40 probably be more than what we have
17:41 budget for
17:43 and as we look at organic options we
17:45 wanted to present
17:46 and explore options and again feel like
17:48 the industry is getting more
17:50 advanced enough to consider pure organic
17:54 versus
17:55 just replacing rubber with plastic as as
17:58 another
17:59 non-organic substance so that's why
18:02 that's not necessarily an option we're
18:04 looking at but happy to
18:06 to have discussion about that
18:09 dave anything to add in that really
18:11 broad
18:13 overview uh no i think you've done an
18:15 excellent job
18:16 um i'd just like to add that um
18:19 it's really disturbing to me that
18:23 it's it's been 12 years since this field
18:25 was built because i feel like it was
18:27 just done
18:27 and so it makes me feel old
18:33 i feel the same way
18:37 oh time what fun yes yes
18:41 so that brad is as chair i i turn it
18:43 back over to you
18:44 um if there's q a or discussion or
18:46 whatever you guys want to handle it
18:49 okay i think let's uh kind of go around
18:51 the horn here
18:52 and i have a whole bunch of questions
18:54 but i don't want to hog all the time
18:56 so i'll let everybody else on the board
18:57 go first and uh so go ahead and raise
19:00 your hand i'll call on you so reuben
19:01 what questions do you have
19:03 yeah of the three options for infill is
19:06 there any particular infill that
19:08 made this wise is easier to maintain
19:11 than any of the others
19:14 uh should i take that um
19:17 they're all they're all essentially the
19:19 same and that was really kind of one of
19:21 the criteria
19:23 that we looked at was was ensuring that
19:26 we were
19:28 we were evaluating and and
19:31 selecting options that wouldn't require
19:34 any additional maintenance and jennifer
19:36 mentioned
19:36 that the earlier iterations of the
19:40 the cork or the cork and coconut husk
19:43 organic truly organic infills
19:46 required supplemental watering
19:51 to keep them settled down or they would
19:54 float
19:54 during heavy rainstorms and and so
19:58 i think part of the reason that
20:01 the city is is entertaining doing an
20:04 organic infill now is that the
20:06 technology has improved to the point
20:07 where
20:09 not only is it safe in terms of gmax and
20:12 impact attenuation but it's also
20:15 easy to maintain okay thank you
20:20 uh danielle i have a couple questions um
20:24 one is in one of the pre-reads um
20:27 there was a note about um rubber that
20:30 wasn't recycled but was rather
20:32 like like new rubber is that what's
20:35 used in that hybrid model or is the
20:37 hybrid the recycled rubber as well
20:40 no you're correct the one of the two
20:43 options we settled on and i should
20:45 say we had we basically had two separate
20:47 vendors
20:48 price this in order to make it even
20:50 though it's going through kcda
20:52 we wanted we wanted them to sharpen
20:54 their pencils
20:56 one of the vendors has a pure cork
20:59 infill as an organic alternative
21:02 the other vendor actually has two
21:05 different
21:06 types of cork one
21:10 is a cork and coconut mix which again
21:13 requires
21:14 additional watering and maintenance so
21:16 that one got ruled out
21:18 and the the blended
21:22 product that we did have them bid it
21:24 basically consists of
21:26 cork natural tree rubber
21:31 and then they call it virgin
21:35 sbr which basically means that
21:38 it it hasn't gone through the chemical
21:41 processes like vulcanization that tires
21:44 go through
21:45 so it's not an end of life product like
21:49 crumb rubber is it's it but it's used in
21:52 the manufacture of gaskets
21:55 so if you can imagine they they make
21:56 this sbr
21:58 they manufacture the gasket and then the
22:01 waste
22:02 from the manufacturing process is what
22:04 goes into this product
22:05 so that they call it virgin sbr
22:08 but it's essentially still synthetic
22:11 rubber
22:13 that would be the option that's used in
22:14 the hybrid kind of
22:16 connection option
22:20 yes so it does have a little bit of
22:23 it has it has some cork it has
22:27 some natural rubber from rubber trees
22:30 and it has some uh synthetic rubber
22:33 it's just not post consumer product okay
22:37 in back probably in 2008 when we were
22:39 doing this project
22:41 um so i guess it would have been like
22:42 before that we were talking about these
22:45 one of the other my recollection is that
22:46 one of the other drawbacks
22:48 um on the natural surfaces was maybe a
22:51 higher
22:53 okay a concern about um uh
22:56 bacteria growth or kind of like
23:00 um staph um
23:03 growing is that still a concern or are
23:06 these
23:07 products like has that also been
23:09 eliminated as a
23:11 issue well i wouldn't say it's been
23:13 eliminated
23:15 um because they're organic materials
23:18 um they not so
23:22 much staph or or bacterial but
23:25 uh seedlings will sprout in them
23:29 so um so you have to make sure that
23:32 you're
23:33 you're dragging and and sweeping the
23:35 field on a regular maintenance schedule
23:37 to keep stuff from
23:39 from setting up in there but in terms of
23:42 staph infection i have not seen any
23:45 data that suggests it's any any more
23:47 prone to that
23:48 than the traditional sbr infiltrator
23:51 okay and then i have one more question
23:53 and that is um probably the big concern
23:56 for the athletes
23:56 is like how are those alternatives
23:59 what's the playability
24:01 and what other fields in our region
24:04 are using those and you know um
24:07 i would like to be able to like you know
24:09 talk to people who are playing on them
24:10 and see how
24:11 how they play what to do yes and and
24:14 that really is the big deal
24:15 um the again you know 10 years ago this
24:18 technology was brand new and people were
24:20 on a steep learning curve
24:22 and there weren't any any case studies
24:25 to go look at um now there are quite a
24:28 few
24:29 and the manufacturers have continued to
24:31 refine their product and their
24:33 installation procedures
24:35 uh the city of woodenville at carroll
24:39 edwards park which is the park if you
24:41 come down
24:42 if you go out 405 and you come down into
24:43 woodenville it's the park right at that
24:45 main corner when you first arrive into
24:47 town
24:48 the big multi-use that's correct yes
24:51 they just installed
24:54 uh the 100 cork
24:58 in uh that is one of our two
25:02 bid options um there are
25:05 so that's the best one that i could
25:07 point you to
25:09 there are several others that are close
25:11 but not quite the same
25:13 rentons memorial stadium has the cork
25:16 and coconut
25:17 husk no that's not that's not right
25:20 south kitsap high school has the cork
25:22 and coconut husk
25:24 i know that chief self stadium in west
25:28 seattle
25:28 is a cork field and actually the city of
25:32 seattle parks department has gone
25:34 to 100 they're they're doing all their
25:36 fields with
25:37 with cork or cork and coconut products
25:41 so um so now we can see we can go and we
25:44 can look at how these fields have been
25:46 acting and behaving and their
25:48 playability over a five-year period or
25:51 and generally what we're hearing and
25:54 finding is that
25:55 the infill um is great it's fine
25:59 it's the playability of these fields has
26:01 more to do with the
26:02 the type of turf fiber that you choose
26:06 and so we're going with a hybrid fiber
26:09 which is
26:09 50 monofilament 50 slit film
26:13 which gives you the best of both worlds
26:15 in terms of encapsulating the infill so
26:17 you don't get a lot of fly out
26:19 but the monofilament fibers stand up
26:21 straight so soccer balls bounce and roll
26:24 true
26:26 so generally they've been well received
26:30 the other point i would make is that the
26:32 the organic infills as jen
26:34 mentioned do require a pad a shock pad
26:37 underneath
26:39 to ensure that you're getting the gmax
26:41 or impact attenuation
26:44 numbers that you want and one of the
26:45 advantages of having a pad
26:48 is that once you've got that pad you're
26:50 really sort of
26:52 insulated against having a field get too
26:55 hard over time
26:57 which can be a problem with the
26:59 traditional infills if they're not
27:00 properly maintained
27:05 hey dave can i ask a follow-up question
27:08 thanks for those questions danielle
27:10 really good in terms of the
27:12 you you mentioned to go with a full
27:14 organic
27:15 obviously the recommended maintenance
27:17 for grooming um
27:19 to make sure seedlings don't sprout
27:21 that's a that's a pretty typical
27:23 recommended grooming
27:25 um weight even with um a full
27:29 you know sand rubber mix right
27:33 yes i have seen uh two inch tall
27:36 cottonwood trees in a sand rubber field
27:39 before
27:39 right so yes yes so without without
27:42 the the that maintenance frequency of
27:45 grooming
27:46 regardless of the infill right there's
27:48 that risk of
27:50 yeah growth yeah and and um and just
27:53 based on my own
27:54 personal experience uh the pad three
27:57 site isn't
27:58 isn't so much a worry for that it's the
28:02 sites that
28:03 um you know are close to a forested area
28:06 and so maybe that
28:08 first you get a lot of leaf drop on them
28:10 or they're in the shade
28:12 quite a bit so you can actually get moss
28:14 on them
28:15 those are the fields where we usually
28:17 see that kind of thing
28:18 but yours is is so out in the open
28:21 that i i'm sure you haven't had that
28:24 problem
28:25 in the past and i wouldn't expect that
28:27 you will now
28:28 yeah no i just appreciated danielle's
28:30 question and again i think our
28:32 our grooming frequency is is is really
28:35 essential
28:36 um for health and safety um regardless
28:39 of what
28:40 surface we go with right
28:44 uh marlene i see a hand there yes hi
28:48 thanks um i appreciate this conversation
28:50 i don't know about
28:51 how many of you guys are trying to clean
28:53 that rubber off of your kids clothes or
28:56 it's in the car
28:58 my son actually got some in his eye
29:00 playing at dodd field last week
29:01 so like um i'm excited about the idea if
29:04 we can do something that's safer but
29:06 still
29:06 it keeps the playability and the
29:08 maintenance and so i think that's
29:10 exciting
29:11 a question that i had regarding the full
29:14 cork versus the hybrid
29:15 i'm curious if you could help us
29:17 understand sort of the pros and cons or
29:18 benefits of
29:20 you know to me it sounds like oh if we
29:22 can go all organic why wouldn't we do
29:23 that but maybe there's some benefits i
29:25 don't understand
29:26 about the the hybrid model
29:30 um the short answer is
29:33 um no there really isn't
29:37 um the the
29:41 we arrived at the choices we arrived at
29:43 in in
29:45 kind of by a process of elimination
29:47 trying to find the
29:48 the best most highest percentage of
29:52 organic
29:54 product choices that we could um
29:57 kind of coupled with selecting vendors
29:59 that have a turf
30:00 product that's proven and has a good
30:03 track record
30:04 and who have a good track record
30:08 of being able to deliver their product
30:10 on time and install it properly
30:12 and stand up behind their warranty you
30:14 know kind of all of those things that
30:15 you would look for in a contractor
30:17 or a vendor the
30:20 and and then again also the maintenance
30:23 the the
30:24 the the vendor who has this hybrid
30:27 product also does offer a 100
30:31 organic product it's cork
30:34 and coconut and it requires
30:38 additional maintenance so we we kind of
30:42 weighed those choices and decided well
30:44 it's not
30:45 a hundred percent natural but it's
30:49 i can't tell you the exact percentage
30:51 but it's a lot closer
30:53 so it seemed like the the best choice
30:57 yeah and just to add to that marlene um
31:00 yeah i think to compare you know to look
31:03 at the playability again and dave did a
31:05 good job of explaining playability is
31:07 really the mix of fiber
31:08 we choose and the infill right the
31:10 difference between the
31:12 the fiber and all cork and fill versus
31:15 the fiber that was in that bid with this
31:18 hybrid model everything we've seen and
31:22 heard i
31:23 playability is not going to be a
31:24 trade-off between one or the other it
31:26 really is going to come down to
31:28 you know do we want to consider it all
31:31 organic or a partial organic
31:34 between those two options um
31:38 and as dave said you know what we felt
31:40 the trade-off was
31:41 was going with this hybrid option versus
31:46 a coconut cork mix that we didn't feel
31:50 was viable because of the
31:51 added maintenance um and need for
31:53 watering
31:55 so that's the one bowl that's the one
32:00 seattle put in that's the one that south
32:03 kitsap
32:04 okay high school has and again
32:07 they're watering that pretty frequently
32:12 thank you for those the other thing that
32:14 i would just add and i liked the
32:15 analogy of the carpet um and uh in your
32:19 house and i always find the best place
32:20 to spend the money is in that pad
32:21 so um i guess i appreciated a little
32:24 reading on the safety of that even in
32:26 other fields so appreciate you know
32:28 really thinking about sort of the safety
32:30 of our athletes with the pad and
32:31 would want to encourage us just to think
32:33 about you know as we're allocating
32:34 budget making sure that that's
32:36 you know top of mind for safety
32:40 we want to think of this investment too
32:43 um how are we positioning for the future
32:46 where's the industry going and and i
32:49 think understanding
32:50 as infill options continue to evolve
32:53 and will likely evolve by the next time
32:55 we're replacing carpet
32:57 um i think with a pad we're going to be
33:01 more
33:02 um better resourced for
33:05 those other infill options so this is
33:07 sort of an investment now but i think it
33:09 also positions those fields
33:12 into the future as well
33:19 are you done marlene
33:22 chris go ahead yeah uh with the
33:26 hybrid infill is the are the rubber
33:29 particles are they shredded or are they
33:32 the cryogenerated
33:34 they're cryo
33:37 and that that for those that may not be
33:39 familiar if you look
33:41 under a microscope the shredded ones
33:44 kind of look like this they have a lot
33:46 of surface area but then they release a
33:48 lot of dust and
33:49 whatever but then the cryo ones are more
33:51 like a little cube
33:52 and they're a little bit more stable so
33:54 last longer
33:59 anything else chris
34:04 questions from anybody else
34:10 i'll jump in with a couple um
34:14 jen and jeff has there been any feedback
34:16 from the sports leagues that actually
34:18 use these fields to get their feedback
34:20 or input
34:23 in terms of their preferences
34:31 no a lot of our conversations last year
34:34 as we were framing this up were
34:36 um really focused on striping and what
34:39 um lines look like um i think
34:42 you know taking feedback we hear from
34:44 you um
34:45 getting feedback from those groups
34:48 will be a next step okay so that is
34:51 something you plan to do though
34:55 yes before this would go to council we
34:57 would we would let those groups know
35:00 what we're what we're considering and
35:01 get their feedback
35:03 okay what does the
35:06 seahawks and uh husky use in uh
35:10 in their fields out of curiosity they
35:13 are all still um uh
35:16 crumb rubber well crumb rubber and
35:19 and sand blended
35:23 which is similar to what we have at
35:24 central park pad one
35:26 so that's the generation we just
35:28 installed right
35:30 they have pads underneath they do yes so
35:33 with a pad
35:34 good point chris we do not have a pad at
35:36 pad one that's a bit redundant
35:39 and they do it a little different
35:43 a football team wants a really fast
35:45 field
35:46 and a soccer team wants something to
35:48 play more like natural grass
35:50 and so they have competing interests in
35:52 that respect
35:53 and they can kind of balance it with the
35:55 pad and the pad underneath
35:59 and out of curiosity you said that every
36:03 all these options can stay within budget
36:06 whereas the sbr only doesn't have a pad
36:10 whereas the organics do
36:14 how are you able to add a pad and still
36:17 stay within budget
36:19 is the organics less expensive than the
36:21 sbr to offset those costs
36:23 or how does that work no it's a great
36:26 question brad i think as we budgeted the
36:28 project
36:29 itself we um
36:32 we're the 1.6 is at a level where
36:36 to add a pad and to go with the organics
36:39 we would still be within that number
36:41 if we were to go without a pad and just
36:43 do the
36:45 more traditional svr sand mix
36:49 it would be less expensive so we
36:51 wouldn't be
36:52 we wouldn't be spending as much um again
36:55 we haven't gotten final prices but it's
36:58 probably a couple hundred thousand
36:59 dollar
37:00 uh difference
37:04 but again a question of what you know i
37:07 think what we should anticipate with any
37:09 synthetic field we put in
37:11 um and manage for the next 20 30 40
37:15 years
37:16 is um we will be neat we will need to be
37:18 putting a pad
37:19 um on synthetic turf fields um at some
37:22 point in the future
37:24 so might as well do it now then right
37:26 well that's a consideration
37:28 but your your question is a really good
37:30 one is that yeah there would be
37:32 a near there'd be a near-term savings if
37:35 we went
37:36 with notepad and chrome rubber and sand
37:40 but it might be an expense we're going
37:41 to end up paying
37:43 you know 10 years from now 15 years from
37:45 now when we do it next time
37:50 and and are these organic products not
37:52 safer in the long run
37:54 i mean dave what's your thought on that
37:57 well if you're referring to the the
38:00 concern about
38:01 carcinogens um cancer in the sbr
38:05 you know they're just to date to my
38:08 knowledge there's been no
38:11 scientific testing or evidence to
38:14 support
38:16 the claims of cancer from
38:19 the sbr rubber infills um
38:23 there's a lot of anecdotal evidence
38:25 there's a lot of stories but there's
38:27 doesn't doesn't seem to be backed up by
38:30 scientific research
38:33 it's also true that uh the
38:37 the measurable pollutants in runoff
38:41 and off-gassing uh from sbr fields
38:46 are below any federal thresholds
38:49 i think we all when we stand on a
38:52 rubber field on a hot day can kind of
38:54 smell it
38:56 you know and so there clearly is off
38:58 gassing
38:59 um and so you know intuitively
39:02 going to an organic infill there'll be
39:04 there be less or none of that
39:08 so so to answer your question they're
39:11 not
39:11 safer because no one's proved that the
39:13 sbr rubber infills are unsafe
39:17 i think we all like the idea of
39:20 of getting away from using the recycled
39:23 tires as an infill and going to a more
39:25 organic approach
39:26 i think that's where the industry is
39:28 headed
39:30 another thing i might mention is that
39:32 from a
39:33 in terms of the the heat on these fields
39:37 the organic infills
39:41 because you're not putting that black
39:43 heat
39:44 heat absorbing product on the ground
39:47 um you know they have a lower albedo so
39:50 they don't get quite as hot
39:52 which is definitely a benefit has there
39:55 been any
39:56 litigation that's addressed any of these
39:58 safety concerns
40:00 that's an excellent question um i'm i'm
40:03 sure there has
40:05 i can't point to specific um
40:08 lawsuits however um
40:11 and to my knowledge um no one has
40:15 successfully litigated against any of
40:18 the turf companies
40:19 uh for the use of uh or
40:22 you know one in a court of law um
40:26 a claim against them for injury related
40:30 to sbr rubber
40:32 and the rubber versus organic the
40:35 longevity is about the same
40:38 yes they're um they're all warranted the
40:41 same
40:42 and with maintenance proper maintenance
40:46 the playability and the gmax is the same
40:50 that's one of the benefits of being you
40:53 know six eight
40:54 ten years down the road now and and
40:56 starting to be able to have case studies
40:58 where we can actually see
41:00 what one of these fields looks like
41:01 that's been played on for for that
41:03 length of time
41:04 so yeah we're confident that um
41:07 that the life the life cycle cost and
41:09 the lifespan is
41:10 is equivalent yeah that consistent
41:14 uh vendor warranty with any of the
41:16 products is is
41:17 really helpful
41:20 is there any moisture buildup problems
41:23 with these organic products that's a
41:25 pretty
41:25 sloppy area up there i mean is that a
41:28 concern at all
41:29 in terms of getting it too too wet
41:34 well no um these the
41:38 the fields are designed to drain
41:41 extremely efficiently
41:43 um and you know that there's a full
41:46 drainage system
41:47 the base rock underneath them is very
41:50 porous
41:51 the the turf product itself drains
41:53 extremely well
41:55 and you know i think some of the earlier
41:58 attempts at the organic
42:01 coconut products did have some problems
42:06 with um you know biodegrading
42:09 and turning to mush and or floating
42:12 literally floating and now
42:16 through you know refinements to
42:19 what goes into the mix and the particle
42:21 size
42:23 and how it's how it's you know you can't
42:26 cryogenically break up crumb rubber
42:30 i mean uh cork but you can you can cut
42:33 to shape and size you know so that the
42:35 particle size is
42:36 is getting the best of both worlds in
42:38 terms of drainage but also knitting
42:40 together
42:40 to to perform the way we want those
42:43 infills
42:44 to perform so so not so much
42:47 an issue in terms of of getting moist
42:50 and again i'll go back to what i said
42:51 earlier about
42:52 the fields that i've seen that i've done
42:54 that have problems are the ones that are
42:55 in shade
42:57 um or up against a forested or wooded
42:59 edge
43:00 and and we don't have that condition
43:01 here
43:04 jeremy you're kind of the sports guy of
43:06 the of the crew here
43:08 you got any comments about uh
43:09 preferences or anything
43:13 uh can you hear me yep yeah sorry uh i'm
43:17 having technical difficulties tonight
43:18 i'm not sure what's going on but uh
43:21 you know i i guess i i played on all
43:24 sorts of different
43:25 surfaces i don't know as if i played on
43:27 one that's the uh
43:28 the cork a lot of creme rubber
43:32 i don't know as if i have a preference
43:33 either way you know it ends up in your
43:35 shoes
43:36 no matter what maybe this cork would not
43:39 be as much i
43:40 you know did i worry um
43:44 i'm not sure how to put this in terms
43:46 but you know like when you fall and the
43:48 absorption of
43:49 the fall and injury and stuff does it
43:51 still have the same
43:53 property absorption properties the cork
43:55 stuff
43:57 yes it does it's in and i would argue
44:00 that with the addition of the pad
44:02 um it may be better um you certainly
44:06 have
44:06 the the g-max which is the the
44:10 the units that they use to measure uh
44:13 the impact attenuation
44:15 is is the same and again because you've
44:18 got that pad
44:20 which has a certain amount of cushion
44:22 that does not go away over time
44:25 um even if you're having some issues
44:28 with the infill which we wouldn't expect
44:29 to have you're always going to have that
44:31 pad
44:32 so from a safety from a cushioning
44:35 perspective uh they're the same
44:38 and what about spreadability i mean how
44:40 do they uh
44:41 do you have to add more to it all the
44:43 time just like the current crab rubber
44:45 one
44:45 yeah because right right now in this
44:47 current way we do it
44:49 there's times where there's like massive
44:51 piles of crumb rubber just sitting there
44:53 and you know the kids are having to like
44:55 spread out with their feet
44:57 right um so
45:02 if you're having massive piles of chrome
45:03 rubber then something else has gone
45:05 wrong
45:06 that that shouldn't be happening um and
45:09 i do
45:09 and i i know that up at pad three now
45:12 that i know there were some issues with
45:14 maintenance for a while
45:15 um i think it maybe got overfilled at
45:17 some point
45:19 um but to answer your question more
45:21 directly
45:22 um you know the system is designed for
45:25 that infill to stay in place
45:27 as best it can one of the reasons that
45:30 we're
45:31 we're going with the hybrid fiber type
45:33 is that that
45:34 slit film fiber over time as it
45:37 fibrillates and breaks up
45:39 um it curls over and does a good job of
45:42 holding that infill in place
45:46 but you do have to maintain it you do
45:48 have to rake it
45:50 because that helps keep the infill
45:52 properly distributed
45:54 and in the high wear areas you know
45:57 right in front of the goal mouth
45:59 or right at the center circle or the
46:01 corner kick area
46:03 where you get a lot of you know
46:05 intensive
46:06 traffic you know you do have to pay
46:08 attention to those areas
46:10 and they may require a periodic
46:14 top dressing um but that's no different
46:17 than an sbr
46:18 field so would you say it sits down
46:21 inside the turf better than the crumb
46:23 rubber
46:24 i would say it's it's really the same
46:26 you know
46:27 it i don't i don't think it sits down
46:30 particularly
46:30 better but i don't think it flies out
46:33 anymore
46:34 and and we're not seeing issues with it
46:37 floating that was an issue
46:39 early on in this experiment with core
46:42 was that sometimes this stuff would
46:44 float in fact i went up and i would
46:45 really encourage you all to go
46:47 up and take a walk on that at carol
46:50 edwards park because that is a
46:52 true apples to apples comparison to what
46:55 we're looking at here so if you really
46:57 want to see what it's like
46:58 i'd go i'd go look up there and i went
47:00 up there the other day after we had that
47:02 big storm because i was curious and
47:04 there was no evidence of any infill
47:07 movement at all
47:12 any other questions or comments from
47:14 anyone
47:17 so i'm assuming the hybrid oops did you
47:20 have something danielle
47:21 oh yeah i just want to say like to the
47:23 extent that um
47:24 that they're all the same budget-wise in
47:26 my instinct
47:27 did you do the organic material um you
47:30 know like
47:31 there were reasons why we haven't done
47:33 that in the past
47:34 um but i know that there aren't
47:38 you know i understand that there aren't
47:40 studies or that say
47:42 or you know definitively that the chrome
47:44 rubber is a problem but
47:46 just it seems like if i was going to
47:49 choose one or the other i would
47:51 organic especially because those little
47:53 pellets end up everywhere
47:54 you know they really do so
47:58 sorry for missiles so are we replacing
48:00 the um the turf portion two or just the
48:02 infield
48:03 or you gotta replace the whole thing
48:04 terrible thing yeah the whole deal
48:07 old ball walks yeah and my computer
48:09 finally came back on when i heard
48:10 football lines so
48:12 uh but i missed a good portion of that
48:14 so are we going to have some sort of
48:15 football lines this time
48:17 so go ahead dave um we're not going to
48:21 stripe it for football
48:22 we're going to put uh four inch square
48:26 layout markers um at
48:29 each ten yard interval all the way
48:32 around what would be the perimeter
48:34 of a football field so it would make it
48:36 very easy to set out cones
48:38 or theoretically you could paint it and
48:41 you'd use be able to use those as layout
48:43 markers
48:45 other than that we're just going to have
48:46 soccer and then we're going with the u.s
48:50 lacrosse
48:50 unified lacrosse layout so it's a
48:54 it's a blend of the boys and girls
48:57 lacrosse so we don't have two sets of
49:00 lacrosse lines competing with each other
49:02 is that because lacrosse is more popular
49:04 than football
49:07 that was a facetious question i thought
49:09 so i can't answer that one
49:12 that one's jeff's have you talked to the
49:14 lacrosse is it
49:15 a lot with the cross clubs and are they
49:17 okay with that
49:20 yes we got the recommendation from them
49:22 that the unified was acceptable
49:24 i mean i think that the fewer lines that
49:27 are confusing probably the better
49:30 well i'm not sure how issaquah high
49:31 school can do it
49:33 but we can't figure it out don't they
49:35 have soccer and football in the same
49:37 field
49:42 yeah i'm not sure what your question
49:44 you're asking jeremy are you saying
49:46 i'm saying why don't we why can't we get
49:47 football lines on there
49:49 it's the most popular sport
49:53 a full football field well knowing that
49:56 there's not
49:57 traditionally there's not games up there
50:00 there is
50:01 an added cost with that much
50:04 inlay of of striping
50:09 we certainly thought it would be a
50:10 benefit to again at least have those
50:13 tick sheets to aid in
50:17 the number of practices that take place
50:19 up there
50:24 so overall is the hybrid what you're
50:26 recommending
50:30 the hybrid infill threat
50:33 i think if if you were asked to ask a
50:36 staff recommendation as we've
50:38 kicked the tires and looked at the
50:39 woodenville field and other ones
50:41 are our recommendation would be to go
50:45 with
50:46 the corp this sort of third generation
50:48 of cork and go with an
50:50 all organic infill with with the
50:53 addition of the pad
50:58 but again really appreciate this
51:00 discussion and really want to hear what
51:02 you know what your all perspective is
51:04 jennifer and i have a meeting with the
51:06 mayor and city administrator later this
51:08 week
51:08 to talk about a couple capital projects
51:10 this being one of them and
51:12 again would just be open to any input
51:15 you all have um if there's consensus
51:18 you know if you want to sort of give an
51:20 advisory recommendation
51:22 and or just summary discussion um
51:26 i would love to deliver your feedback
51:28 either either way
51:30 okay back to your comment about not
51:33 having games up there
51:34 if we were to have games up there then
51:36 it would warrant putting lines on the
51:37 field
51:37 because i mean the reason there's no
51:38 games up there is there's no lines on
51:40 the field
51:42 right a bit of a chicken in the egg
51:45 perhaps
51:46 perhaps yeah i i
51:50 that is that is not something again i
51:52 get i guess as we did this replacement
51:54 jeremy we were looking at
51:55 the historical use and understanding
51:58 i think the intensity of use and the mix
52:00 of use that we're having to manage in
52:02 the fall
52:03 when football games are in football
52:04 season is happening
52:06 and the likelihood of that being able to
52:09 host football games
52:10 and soccer games is
52:13 is relatively light relative to the
52:17 investment and the cost and the
52:20 visible impact of all those football
52:22 lines i think brian probably has a
52:24 little bit more of that history than i
52:26 yeah and jim i could just speak it's
52:28 been a little while but i know that in
52:30 the past the discussion was that the
52:31 football games
52:32 were intentionally wanted to be held at
52:34 the high schools
52:35 for that you know you're at the high
52:36 school that's where you're going to be
52:37 in the future
52:38 the stadium the whole feel that was i
52:41 know that that
52:42 feeling and that's where at least way
52:44 back when for a number of years that was
52:45 at least the philosophy was that games
52:48 wanted to be at the high school because
52:50 just more energy just by the very nature
52:52 of what you're playing on right
52:54 that's just a little history yeah but i
52:57 think the excuses of uh you know it
52:59 doesn't look as good
53:00 it doesn't enter into my mind every high
53:03 school field i've been on
53:04 football and has soccer and football so
53:06 it's not you know
53:08 it's not like people are not used to
53:09 seeing football and soccer together on
53:10 the same field
53:15 april did i see you had something
53:18 uh yeah i just wanted to kind of throw
53:22 in my vote for
53:23 a more option a lot of the um
53:27 chrome rubber type options from what i
53:30 have read it seems that the runoff
53:33 can be um it could potentially
53:37 contaminate streams and things so
53:39 i think going with an organic or a more
53:42 organic
53:42 option or a more natural option would
53:46 help with keeping chemicals potentially
53:48 out of our streams
53:52 i'd be curious going back to jeremy's
53:54 question about football and lacrosse and
53:56 soccer
53:57 um is this one of the few places where
53:59 they there's an opportunity to do
54:00 lacrosse where the lines are marked
54:02 it's my understanding there's lots of
54:04 places to do soccer and football but
54:05 maybe fewer for lacrosse but maybe i'm
54:07 wrong on that
54:08 so i'm just curious as an intended use
54:10 are these fields meant to be sort of a
54:12 housing place for lacrosse
54:16 yes um we also have lacrosse lines
54:19 at um pad one uh fields as well that we
54:23 just installed
54:29 i kind of am on the same boat with april
54:31 that and
54:32 others that made comment i think organic
54:34 is a better way to go
54:36 environmentally and potentially safety
54:39 and it sounds like they've worked out
54:40 the issues
54:41 that they're not as if they're as
54:43 playable
54:44 as rubber so i mean it seems to make
54:46 sense that that's the way to go
54:49 not to mention ultimately recycling
54:51 capability when you
54:53 when you remove the field you know those
54:56 products
54:57 probably could be recycled versus the
54:59 rubber would
55:00 i don't know have to go to a landfill
55:02 maybe i don't know
55:11 jeff do you need an action item here
55:15 i don't don't need it no i i guess
55:19 you know hearing it and and i guess
55:21 seeing
55:22 head nods um i don't know if you're
55:25 comfortable just giving a sense if i was
55:27 to communicate that
55:28 um given given the discussion and given
55:31 what you know
55:33 there's a preference to strongly
55:34 consider uh the
55:36 the all cork um option uh for the
55:39 install
55:40 is that a accurate way to put it i would
55:43 say as
55:44 especially subject to the sports
55:48 um teams the local sports teams kind of
55:50 blessing as well
55:52 that really does it does matter as far
55:55 as you know if
55:56 if there are significant differences and
55:58 i understand some of that might be on
55:59 the
56:00 artificial grass but completely agree
56:03 yes that playability is still a um
56:07 primary um reason for
56:11 this investment so um
56:15 okay i'll communicate that thank you
56:17 very much
56:18 really appreciate the discussion if i
56:20 could just add it jeremy i appreciate
56:21 your questions about football
56:23 um and i guess respecting those
56:25 questions i just want to get a sense
56:26 from
56:26 other board members is there um i
56:30 i don't want to misspeak and again work
56:33 you know as we're proceeding with the
56:35 program as was
56:37 um decided upon um previously we're not
56:41 considered football striping but is that
56:44 um something you as a board want to
56:46 discuss
56:47 or um who decided that how do i remember
56:51 talking about
56:52 are we considering football or not
56:56 i missed that meeting
57:01 i i think that meeting took place um
57:04 given the original
57:05 when the when the lines were put in in
57:06 2000
57:08 um the mid-2000s i guess is what i'm
57:10 referencing jeremy
57:12 any recollection on that danielle i
57:15 don't i don't remember that but you know
57:17 i think i mean the games have been at
57:20 the high school
57:21 for you know as long as my kids and
57:26 probably brian's kids were playing um
57:29 and then also you know the older kids
57:32 practice at the middle school
57:33 so the middle schools have turf fields
57:36 that have football lines
57:38 um as well so but
57:42 but you know there's all the all the
57:44 younger kids all practice
57:45 at central park so you know to the
57:48 extent that
57:49 my football alliance would help with
57:51 those practices
57:53 um i guess i would want to just know
57:55 what the you know what the cost is
57:57 and then also be cognizant of like you
57:59 know once you put like those
58:00 those lines on pad one are
58:04 i mean there's so many lines right so at
58:06 some what point do you get
58:09 line over here
58:12 on there too yeah i just wanted to add
58:14 in in talking with the user groups about
58:17 lines um they all get used to which
58:20 lines they're playing with
58:22 and it tends not to be so much of an
58:24 issue for the players
58:25 as more from the outsiders who maybe
58:27 aren't as familiar with the field
58:29 markings
58:30 trying to watch a game because the users
58:32 learn to adapt
58:34 so whether it's a boys and girls or
58:37 just the unified lines and soccers i
58:39 mean kids over at
58:40 one we have baseball soccer boys
58:43 lacrosse and girls lacrosse so
58:46 there's four different lines at least on
58:48 one field
58:49 um for people to have to pay attention
58:52 um but the user groups really don't have
58:54 much of a
58:56 care either way but they did opt to
58:58 instead of doing the boys and girls
59:00 lacrosse lines
59:01 to go the unified route for these field
59:04 updates
59:06 yeah the only user group i've heard
59:08 complain about the lines is the
59:09 footballs
59:10 not having football lines and we just
59:12 kind of try to guesstimate and walk off
59:14 step off where 10 yards is
59:16 i haven't seen how these little markers
59:19 you're talking about look
59:20 maybe if i saw a picture of it how it is
59:21 i don't know
59:23 so picture along all the sidelines there
59:26 would be
59:27 these different colorations jeremy that
59:30 would denote
59:31 10 yard increments so all along the
59:33 sidelines so
59:35 something that i i've certainly seen in
59:37 practice with a number of fields that
59:38 i've installed
59:40 with other cities if we wanted to
59:42 consider
59:44 painting right maybe a couple of those
59:48 you know we work with the football group
59:49 and paint 10-yard
59:51 10-yard lines as a way of better
59:54 assisting in practices if that's really
59:57 primary place for that program's
1:00:00 practice and not games
1:00:02 i think there's some things we could do
1:00:03 within that football season
1:00:05 to use those 10 yard marks
1:00:08 either just you know if it helps for
1:00:10 certain age groups that just have cones
1:00:12 every 10 yards it's going to be real
1:00:14 simple for coaches to do that but if
1:00:16 there's a desire to maybe paint some of
1:00:18 those 10 yard lines
1:00:21 as an assistant it just gives much more
1:00:24 flexibility
1:00:26 to aid in in those practices what is the
1:00:28 cost difference
1:00:29 to add football fines
1:00:33 a complete football field i i i don't
1:00:38 well yeah it would depend on how how far
1:00:41 you went with that
1:00:42 um like if you're replicated it's like a
1:00:46 high school field
1:00:47 that has soccer football doesn't it have
1:00:50 lacrosse as well
1:00:51 but you're never going to put games
1:00:53 there because you don't have goal posts
1:00:54 and stuff right
1:00:55 i mean i don't think you'd have to i
1:00:58 think
1:00:59 what you would want are enough
1:01:00 sufficient lines to make a
1:01:02 make practice easier and useful but
1:01:05 i don't think you'd ever it would be
1:01:07 unusual i think that you would actually
1:01:08 have a
1:01:09 an actual
1:01:16 okay let's move along anybody else got
1:01:18 any questions or comments
1:01:21 is that good enough for now jeff so
1:01:24 thank you
1:01:24 thank you very much for the discussion
1:01:26 jennifer thank you dave
1:01:27 thanks so much for joining and
1:01:30 and providing all your insights you bet
1:01:35 thank you
1:01:39 unless you want to just keep with us
1:01:40 you're welcome
1:01:42 what else are you going to talk about
1:01:45 work plan i'll i will i will say my
1:01:48 goodbyes
1:01:49 thank you very much to read thanks thank
1:01:52 you all
1:01:53 i have one more question that's not turf
1:01:55 related but related to the field
1:01:58 okay go ahead um have have you you
1:02:01 mentioned
1:02:01 um replacing the fencing because it's
1:02:03 been damaged with balls getting kicked
1:02:05 and whatnot
1:02:06 i was just wondering um like i know up
1:02:09 preston for um east side fc when they
1:02:13 when they installed like an actual
1:02:15 cement wall
1:02:16 um for kids to intentionally kick kick
1:02:19 off of individuals and whatnot
1:02:21 and i don't know if that's something
1:02:22 that's uniformly like desired by soccer
1:02:24 people
1:02:25 or um if so if that would be something
1:02:28 that could be
1:02:29 kind of accommodating like wrapped into
1:02:32 the project
1:02:34 chris i don't know you're a soccer guy
1:02:36 right so
1:02:38 um if you have an opinion i designed
1:02:40 that wall
1:02:41 it's just a retaining wall um that we
1:02:44 decided to make
1:02:45 into something that the soccer kids
1:02:46 could use as best we could
1:02:48 yeah you know one thing that
1:02:52 could be looked at though is you know
1:02:53 heavier gauge mesh or also
1:02:55 um you know even on a four foot putting
1:02:58 a mid rail in it just
1:03:00 because the kids will just you know kick
1:03:02 and kick yeah
1:03:03 and yeah we do we do have a mid-rail
1:03:08 um i believe it has a mid-rail yes oh
1:03:11 man we are and we are going to six
1:03:12 gauge chris on that fabric penitentiary
1:03:17 quality yeah we thought about going to a
1:03:20 smaller
1:03:20 smaller you know like inch and three
1:03:22 quarter inch and a half
1:03:24 but the cost goes up
1:03:28 and i'm not sure how much benefit you
1:03:29 really get from that so
1:03:34 if you have is it okay then for kids to
1:03:37 kick on it
1:03:38 or is it still something that you would
1:03:40 not want to discourage them from doing
1:03:44 we would we would likely just discourage
1:03:47 it would wouldn't meant to be that i
1:03:49 think as we work with issaquah soccer
1:03:51 club and
1:03:52 i mean much like eastside does in
1:03:54 preston right they have rebound little
1:03:55 rebound walls and other
1:03:57 portable devices that accomplish some of
1:03:59 that same goal
1:04:01 right so i think the the budget allows
1:04:04 for something you know increasing the
1:04:05 gauge
1:04:06 um as dave said increasing a mid-bar but
1:04:09 pouring a a cement wall would be pretty
1:04:12 cost prohibitive pretty
1:04:14 pretty quickly and i also just wanted to
1:04:18 with the scope of work that we're doing
1:04:20 right now this is being done as a
1:04:22 maintenance project
1:04:23 and not having to go through a full
1:04:25 permitting project because it is really
1:04:27 we're pulling up the old carpet and
1:04:29 putting down new carpet there's no new
1:04:32 construction
1:04:33 um by doing a wall or something we'd
1:04:35 have to go through a whole permitting
1:04:36 process
1:04:38 in order to construct a wall
1:04:44 okay thanks everyone and thank you dave
1:04:47 appreciate you thank you
1:04:49 have a good evening youtube
1:04:52 okay so i guess we're on to the next
1:04:54 phase here which is uh
1:04:56 jeff gonna talk a little bit about the
1:04:58 2021 work plan
1:05:01 i will brad thank you um melissa or
1:05:03 jennifer thanks so much for
1:05:05 for volunteering to share the work plan
1:05:08 as i go through this
1:05:11 again appreciated the discussion
1:05:13 previously
1:05:14 i think make up a little bit of time
1:05:16 with this but
1:05:19 you know what this represents if you've
1:05:21 had a chance to open it
1:05:22 is similar to what we've done the last
1:05:24 couple of years
1:05:26 really a quarter by quarter look at
1:05:30 our major projects and initiatives
1:05:32 within the entire department
1:05:35 obviously
1:05:38 a lot of what your focus is as the parks
1:05:41 board
1:05:42 is related to our park projects which
1:05:44 make up the first two pages
1:05:46 of this document but also wanted to give
1:05:48 you some context as to
1:05:51 other projects that are
1:05:54 within our department and and what we're
1:05:58 managing
1:06:00 as we start to fine-tune this and look
1:06:04 really cadence of
1:06:07 our year what our staff resources are
1:06:11 how we're looking at
1:06:15 sequencing what we're going to get
1:06:16 started right away what we're going to
1:06:17 hold off on
1:06:18 this work plan tries to tries to really
1:06:21 balance and
1:06:22 and be informed by a lot of those things
1:06:26 just to remind you the color coding what
1:06:28 we tried to do
1:06:29 when you look at the tasks within the
1:06:31 quarter
1:06:33 the sort of the orangey salmon color
1:06:36 is really meant to denote when we're in
1:06:40 planning sort of a conceptual planning
1:06:43 initial engagement phase with a project
1:06:46 the yellowish color
1:06:51 is meant to denote when we're in design
1:06:54 and permitting
1:06:54 [Music]
1:06:56 of that specific project or initiative
1:07:00 and then the blue is meant to note when
1:07:03 are transitioning to and we're in either
1:07:06 a construction phase we're actually
1:07:08 building what it is we were designing
1:07:11 planning or in some cases with a project
1:07:15 what we're implementing actually
1:07:18 implementing some work
1:07:22 the i would note as well
1:07:26 that late last year
1:07:30 the city adopted a new environmental
1:07:33 review process
1:07:35 that any capital project private or
1:07:38 public
1:07:39 is going to be asked to embed on and go
1:07:42 through
1:07:43 when you're doing any type of um
1:07:46 site-paced
1:07:46 site-based development so that's you
1:07:49 know any development that's on a parcel
1:07:51 of land and so what you'll see within
1:07:54 this work
1:07:54 plan i'll point out the two play area
1:07:57 projects that are
1:07:58 that are first you'll note that we talk
1:08:01 about the environmental review for this
1:08:04 what we are working on currently and
1:08:06 have already had some meetings with the
1:08:08 planning department that'll be
1:08:09 overseeing that environmental review
1:08:11 is that's not a single sort of task
1:08:15 but that's going to be work that
1:08:16 environmental review work is going to be
1:08:18 work that we want to
1:08:20 embed early on in our community
1:08:23 engagement
1:08:25 and then obviously as we're going
1:08:26 through design and permitting so
1:08:29 just using the two claria projects for
1:08:31 example as we
1:08:33 schedule out our neighborhood engagement
1:08:36 we want to
1:08:37 have neighboring neighborhood engagement
1:08:40 addressing sort of the environmental
1:08:44 realities of the site what's going on
1:08:45 with the site while we're also
1:08:47 seeking public input
1:08:50 on the project itself um as we do a
1:08:53 later stage of engagement
1:08:55 uh you'll see where it says further
1:08:56 public engagement under design and
1:08:58 permitting that public engagement would
1:09:01 both be intended to talk about the
1:09:02 project itself but also accomplish
1:09:05 the environmental review as we're
1:09:08 working that through with planning
1:09:10 so the same would be true that
1:09:14 environmental review process again would
1:09:16 be embedded in really all of our
1:09:17 projects so
1:09:18 our master planning projects that are
1:09:21 identified a little farther down
1:09:23 um on this first page uh where we plan
1:09:26 on later in the year
1:09:28 um starting again
1:09:31 our master planning efforts sort of side
1:09:33 by side with tibbetts valley park
1:09:36 veterans memorial park and iscar creek
1:09:38 corridor
1:09:40 that engagement work in that orangish
1:09:43 color
1:09:44 while we're doing sort of the planning
1:09:47 and conceptual
1:09:48 level still that environmental review
1:09:50 will be part of that
1:09:52 master planning work as we as you see in
1:09:56 this schedule we anticipate
1:09:57 actual implementation or adoption
1:10:00 completion of that master plan the blue
1:10:02 color
1:10:03 um is going to um definitely go into
1:10:05 2022.
1:10:07 um you'll see too with that project
1:10:10 specifically
1:10:11 um we um with one park planner on staff
1:10:15 now the first two quarters of our year
1:10:17 are really going to be focused on those
1:10:19 play area projects
1:10:21 the turf replacement project we were
1:10:23 just talking about
1:10:25 the wayfinding and park signage
1:10:28 continuation of work that started
1:10:30 last year and then this master planning
1:10:34 we see picking up late uh second quarter
1:10:36 or third quarter
1:10:37 of the year uh and thus going into 2022
1:10:42 which we also see is beneficial in that
1:10:45 master plan adoption looks like is going
1:10:47 to be dependent upon some work that the
1:10:49 planning department's going on
1:10:51 uh with what what they call title 18
1:10:53 title 18
1:10:54 is a full section of the city code
1:10:56 that's getting updated
1:10:58 as that code is getting updated it's
1:11:00 going to inform us what
1:11:02 adoption of future master plans look
1:11:04 like so
1:11:08 i'll stop there and see maybe if you
1:11:10 have any any of you have specific
1:11:12 questions about
1:11:13 some of these capital projects that i
1:11:16 can um
1:11:17 point out or help answer before i
1:11:20 sort of have some concluding comments
1:11:22 looks like jen has some added
1:11:24 feedback as well
1:11:33 jen you might need to unmute
1:11:43 still needed you damn you can
1:12:01 thank you sorry i couldn't find the the
1:12:03 mute wasn't working
1:12:05 um and isn't that the term of 2020 and
1:12:09 um the just to clarify the environmental
1:12:13 review
1:12:13 is necessary only on a level two
1:12:16 or greater project that has
1:12:19 environmental impacts if there are no
1:12:21 environmental impacts um it doesn't need
1:12:24 to be completed like
1:12:26 sometimes a street project per se
1:12:28 wouldn't need to go through that project
1:12:30 or that process so i just wanted to
1:12:32 there is a threshold
1:12:34 level for which that's being implemented
1:12:39 right and that's all is how it was
1:12:41 adopted and i think what we're
1:12:42 how we're approaching is parks realizing
1:12:44 that our our projects aren't in public
1:12:47 right away our projects are on
1:12:49 parcels that we
1:12:53 really want to set into practice
1:12:56 demonstrating even as we go into that
1:12:58 initial public engagement with a
1:12:59 community or a neighborhood
1:13:01 is demonstrating and showing that
1:13:03 environmental checklist and what we
1:13:05 understand and what we know
1:13:06 of the site itself and what we're
1:13:08 intending
1:13:09 um intending to do and um
1:13:12 understanding what's happening
1:13:13 environmentally on the on that property
1:13:15 or that parcel
1:13:17 so any questions comments
1:13:20 so on the anchor on the anchor parks
1:13:24 you know starting into looks like uh
1:13:27 partly into the second quarter i guess
1:13:31 is there going to be some public
1:13:32 engagement uh
1:13:34 that's anticipated and they're we're
1:13:36 probably not going to be ready for that
1:13:38 unless you're going to do it online by
1:13:40 then is that
1:13:41 is that what you thought about yeah so
1:13:45 you know where we identify engagement
1:13:47 phase two it's really
1:13:48 you know we're at that point in that
1:13:50 project of the next phase of public
1:13:52 engagement uh that's one of the things
1:13:53 we want to wait and see brad
1:13:55 right so um where are we at uh
1:13:58 in terms of can we host those person to
1:14:01 person or will they need to be virtual
1:14:02 or some combination thereof depending on
1:14:05 where we're at
1:14:06 um with cobit recovery
1:14:13 uh reuben i see your hand there
1:14:16 he done moot rare reuben
1:14:22 okay can you hear me yep there you go
1:14:27 i had a question on the carbon credit
1:14:28 program i don't quite understand it but
1:14:31 how is the money how is money generated
1:14:34 you get yeah
1:14:39 so so um i'm i'm not a i'm not a carbon
1:14:43 expert but i'll try and put this
1:14:45 succinctly
1:14:46 so there is an industry there's a market
1:14:49 um companies are interested in buying
1:14:52 uh as as they seek to become carbon
1:14:55 neutral
1:14:56 they want to purchase
1:15:00 carbon sequestration so there you know
1:15:02 as we as a city
1:15:04 plant thousands of trees every year as
1:15:06 part of our succession planning
1:15:08 what we want to pilot and this was a
1:15:10 discussion we had with council last year
1:15:12 is what would it look like to apply like
1:15:15 you know last year we're
1:15:17 we're planting nearly um 10 000 trees
1:15:20 about 9 500 trees
1:15:22 we'd love to take those 900 9500
1:15:26 trees and work with a non-profit partner
1:15:30 a group called city forest credits out
1:15:32 of seattle and offer that
1:15:34 into the carbon market and there are
1:15:36 businesses that
1:15:37 would love to purchase in essence the
1:15:40 carbon that's going to be gained from
1:15:42 those 9
1:15:42 9 500 trees so it's work that we're
1:15:45 already doing
1:15:47 is there a way to receive those funds
1:15:51 those funds could then help be part of
1:15:54 of funding our ongoing work with green
1:15:58 issaquah
1:15:59 or other urban forest goals
1:16:06 so the companies are buying credit is
1:16:09 what they're right
1:16:11 okay so they would in essence pay us
1:16:15 over the next 10 15 20 years
1:16:18 the the carbon that would be
1:16:21 additionally captured
1:16:22 in those new trees that we're planting
1:16:32 any other questions or comments
1:16:38 oh danielle you got something
1:16:43 yeah i just my recollection with the um
1:16:47 where we were on the master planning
1:16:49 process um
1:16:51 was that we were starting to engage with
1:16:54 um the baseball community in particular
1:16:58 we have about a deeper conversation with
1:17:00 tibbetts and veterans memorial
1:17:02 and i just you know like i i think that
1:17:04 there's probably room to have some of
1:17:06 those
1:17:07 continued some of those conversations
1:17:09 maybe before
1:17:10 you know maybe there's not time or
1:17:13 manpower to do that
1:17:14 for your engagement plan kind of gets
1:17:17 full steam
1:17:17 but it seems like that would be
1:17:19 beneficial sometimes
1:17:21 trying to sort of just
1:17:24 follow up with conversations agreed some
1:17:27 of the conversations we've initiated
1:17:29 some of the work
1:17:30 um in particular the the sub consultant
1:17:34 who specializes in fields d.a hogan
1:17:37 and we've done some work in looking at
1:17:40 how those baseball fields have been
1:17:42 scheduled over the last number of years
1:17:44 what the
1:17:44 anticipated need is um we do
1:17:48 we do anticipate um hosting um a couple
1:17:51 of those conversations with the baseball
1:17:52 groups
1:17:54 as we and before we head back out into
1:17:56 engagement
1:17:57 there's some other work that we're i was
1:17:59 going to highlight in the director's
1:18:00 report but i'll highlight now
1:18:02 there's also some work we're doing at
1:18:04 tibbetts valley park now in the rainy
1:18:06 season
1:18:07 um we wanted to do some initial site
1:18:10 analysis
1:18:11 um and so we've done that in terms of
1:18:14 really
1:18:15 best understanding the hydrology that's
1:18:18 happened i think we all know
1:18:20 where tibbetts valley park is and the
1:18:22 gorgeous park that it is
1:18:23 um it deals with a lot of water uh
1:18:26 throughout
1:18:27 the years so we've worked with the sub
1:18:30 consultant herrera our environmental
1:18:32 consultant to
1:18:33 dig some wells and give us some analysis
1:18:36 and further data about
1:18:37 where and how much water is moving
1:18:40 through that site so
1:18:42 that work combined with some of these
1:18:44 conversations with baseball are just
1:18:45 going to help us
1:18:46 become that much more informed when we
1:18:49 go into this next phase of engagement
1:18:51 later in the year great
1:18:54 thanks also can you tell us
1:18:58 um i can't see i think i'm falling on
1:19:00 you on the screen here but
1:19:01 where is that engagement part on the
1:19:04 calendar
1:19:05 for the master planning is that like
1:19:07 august or september or
1:19:12 acute end of q2 into q3
1:19:15 sometime to revive that project okay um
1:19:17 so again we'll just have to kind of wait
1:19:19 and see where
1:19:31 anything else on this topic anybody
1:19:33 comments
1:19:34 questions
1:19:38 not seeing any hands hit it on this jeff
1:19:43 yeah just again thank you our plan is
1:19:46 uh that this will be posted online
1:19:49 uh this will be something we'd love to
1:19:50 bring back to you every quarter
1:19:52 um we we see this and use this as a a
1:19:55 working management document for us
1:19:57 in that things change right
1:20:01 how are we negotiating covid what can we
1:20:03 do in terms of engagement how are we
1:20:05 progressing in terms of these tasks and
1:20:08 uh just because it becomes a tool for us
1:20:11 either as work plan items change things
1:20:13 get added to our docket
1:20:14 so look for these to just at least
1:20:17 provide us information
1:20:19 quarterly and how we're doing
1:20:25 good thank you for that looks like
1:20:28 you're up next for
1:20:29 talking about recovery task force
1:20:33 all right uh while i kick this off i
1:20:35 think this will be relatively quick
1:20:37 um just wanted to to follow up and close
1:20:40 the loop thank you again for
1:20:42 uh into last year and some emails we
1:20:44 sent out
1:20:45 the recovery task force which is a group
1:20:47 the mayor had
1:20:49 created last year really focusing on
1:20:52 covid recovery and how we're serving
1:20:56 supporting this community from
1:20:57 everything from public health
1:20:59 to now you know vaccination discussion
1:21:02 uh to how we're utilizing our public
1:21:04 spaces and and encouraging community to
1:21:06 still come together
1:21:07 marlene i know you're serving on that
1:21:09 committee so thank you for representing
1:21:10 the park board
1:21:12 um at the uh recovery task force meeting
1:21:16 i'm going to share my screen here on the
1:21:18 14th of this year
1:21:24 boards and commissions were invited to
1:21:26 come and and sort of share
1:21:28 and express their ideas uh brad and i
1:21:30 took part in that conversation
1:21:32 uh thank you again for your feedback we
1:21:35 were able to have a conversation brad i
1:21:38 i think it's safe to say that the park
1:21:40 board related
1:21:42 public gathering use of public space
1:21:45 um topics um probably where the most
1:21:48 commented
1:21:49 and most uh discussed so again really
1:21:52 appreciate your creativity what you're
1:21:54 seeing
1:21:55 here i just shared this screen
1:21:58 tomorrow evening at the city council
1:22:00 study session
1:22:02 the bulk of the study session is
1:22:05 a presentation to talk about just
1:22:07 citywide pandemic recovery but then also
1:22:09 the recovery task force and some of
1:22:11 these ideas and opportunities that came
1:22:13 of that discussion um following that
1:22:17 meeting on the 14th
1:22:19 we circled up with the mayor's office
1:22:21 and with staff to
1:22:22 to really try and explore what we could
1:22:25 implement
1:22:26 of those ideas this is a slide one slide
1:22:29 that's gonna be part of that
1:22:30 presentation tomorrow night i wanted to
1:22:32 share with you
1:22:33 uh these are opportunities that i'm
1:22:34 gonna present to the
1:22:36 the council and get their feedback um
1:22:39 that came out of those opportunities
1:22:42 what they are
1:22:43 is um furthering this idea of installing
1:22:46 some outdoor fitness stations
1:22:47 um on a site to be determined we would
1:22:50 still need to determine that site jen
1:22:52 fink would lead that effort
1:22:53 we would work with community members as
1:22:56 well as
1:22:57 some professionals in the sports
1:22:59 medicine field to determine what type of
1:23:01 equipment
1:23:02 and where we would locate it we would
1:23:04 need additional resources of about fifty
1:23:07 thousand dollars
1:23:08 to make that happen uh but that was an
1:23:10 idea that was very well received by the
1:23:12 recovery task force
1:23:14 uh this idea of how we might consider
1:23:17 um multi-use of our tennis courts
1:23:21 there's some innovative ways that
1:23:23 pickleball striping is done
1:23:24 not just on the center net but also
1:23:27 multiple pickleball courts
1:23:30 with portable nets that could be added
1:23:34 we would reach out and work with um our
1:23:36 pickleball community
1:23:37 the pickleball folks that use our
1:23:38 community center that are are
1:23:40 limited as of now with pandemic but how
1:23:43 could we encourage that
1:23:44 more outdoors this idea of
1:23:48 exploring scavenger hunt ideas um
1:23:51 working with partners on geocaching and
1:23:53 other ideas
1:23:54 april thank you i know this is an idea
1:23:56 that you supported
1:23:58 a lot of support from the recovery task
1:24:00 force on that
1:24:01 i've asked our recreation team at the
1:24:04 community center they're going to begin
1:24:05 exploring if this is something council
1:24:07 wants us to support
1:24:09 um they'll be reaching out to you april
1:24:11 and seeing how we might creatively work
1:24:15 some of the existing geocaching groups
1:24:17 and maybe add
1:24:18 a scavenger hunt idea another idea we're
1:24:22 going to talk about tomorrow night
1:24:23 is this concept of what we're calling
1:24:26 walk and learn tours
1:24:28 where we would create some temporary
1:24:30 installations
1:24:31 of interpretive signs in various areas
1:24:35 um along our city trail system
1:24:38 brad i know this is something that you
1:24:40 were very fond of
1:24:42 sort of replicating if you haven't see
1:24:44 if any of you have seen what um
1:24:46 um has happened at the state park uh
1:24:48 this month with
1:24:49 martin luther king um interpretive
1:24:52 signage
1:24:52 celebrating mlk day um we would work
1:24:56 with a couple a number of our partners
1:24:58 identify content whether it's historical
1:25:01 society
1:25:04 library cultural groups
1:25:08 and set up a series of three or four
1:25:12 areas again within our within our park
1:25:15 system amy dukes who's our arts
1:25:17 coordinator has agreed
1:25:18 should this be something we proceed with
1:25:20 to take the lead in that effort
1:25:23 again so brad any other park board
1:25:25 members that would love to be part of an
1:25:26 effort like that
1:25:27 um stay tuned uh we'll see how the
1:25:30 conversation goes tomorrow night
1:25:32 and then another
1:25:35 opportunity that was really discussed
1:25:36 and affirmed and
1:25:38 expressed was our 2021 concert on the
1:25:41 green
1:25:42 um series uh really i think confirming
1:25:46 we already have budget in 2021 for this
1:25:50 continuing our efforts with our partners
1:25:52 kiwanis being a huge partner in that
1:25:55 we very much want to see the show go on
1:25:57 and so
1:25:58 it was just really confirmation that
1:25:59 even if we need to
1:26:02 modify what those concerts look like we
1:26:04 still want to do them
1:26:05 even if they're in a modified fashion
1:26:09 meaning maybe we have to keep
1:26:12 crowd size to a certain size if we need
1:26:15 to manage spacing
1:26:17 we want to make sure that there's a
1:26:21 summer concert series done in a safe way
1:26:24 there's a an additional ask for some
1:26:26 funding that
1:26:28 should we need to either spread out or
1:26:30 add some additional maybe smaller
1:26:32 concerts
1:26:32 in in some other areas throughout our
1:26:35 parks again just as opportunities as
1:26:37 summer and fall comes
1:26:39 depending on what's allowable from where
1:26:42 we are coveted recovery just to
1:26:44 encourage and foster
1:26:46 community coming back together and
1:26:48 celebrating their public spaces so
1:26:50 i just wanted to share these with you um
1:26:53 say thank you
1:26:54 again for your feedback it was really
1:26:56 good uh discussion with the recovery
1:26:58 task force
1:26:59 uh we'll see how conversation goes with
1:27:02 council
1:27:03 tomorrow night brad marlene i know you
1:27:05 were part of that discussion with the
1:27:07 recovery task force don't know if
1:27:08 there's anything
1:27:09 else you'd like to add to that update
1:27:11 please do
1:27:17 that looks good jeff any questions or
1:27:20 comments from anyone
1:27:26 uh not seeing anything does that
1:27:29 conclude that part jeff
1:27:32 okay brian it looks like uh you're up
1:27:36 you have uh some community award uh
1:27:39 recommendations here for us
1:27:41 yeah just so you know every year we'd
1:27:43 just like to update you on
1:27:45 the recommendations we're making um we
1:27:48 have the
1:27:49 uh well recommendation slash award
1:27:51 winners if you will
1:27:52 um this has been a unique year as you
1:27:54 know with
1:27:55 2020 being crazy i won't go into any
1:27:57 details we all know that
1:28:00 but we have been very active a lot of
1:28:01 areas you know despite
1:28:03 all the goofiness and craziness we've
1:28:04 gone through um
1:28:06 ryan i know you know about this so
1:28:07 apologies beforehand be sure to say a
1:28:09 bunch of nice stuff about you
1:28:11 um but here we go our youth leadership
1:28:14 award
1:28:15 winner is going to be uh ryan reamy and
1:28:18 did i pronounce that correctly ryan
1:28:20 outstanding and uh i've talked to kathy
1:28:24 lisa a lot about you and it's a big
1:28:26 surprise they
1:28:28 with their words ryan's one of a kind so
1:28:31 ryan you are in just a little bit of
1:28:32 background so everybody can know some of
1:28:34 the things he's been on our youth
1:28:35 advisory board since he was in sixth
1:28:36 grade
1:28:37 he's now a junior at liberty high school
1:28:40 um even in middle school he was showing
1:28:41 leadership the co-chair of the middle
1:28:43 school action committee is the sixth
1:28:44 seventh and eighth grader
1:28:45 he's the community service chair and was
1:28:48 last year
1:28:49 he's a huge advocate for the issaquah
1:28:51 food and clothing bank
1:28:53 uh applaud that i am too uh ryan had
1:28:56 participated in the youth advisory board
1:28:57 salmon days fall fun fest state of mind
1:29:00 and issaquah kids triathlon every year
1:29:03 and he's been on the youth but
1:29:04 he's been on the youth advisory board
1:29:06 and i don't know if you know but each
1:29:07 one of those events
1:29:08 entails a lot of planning and it entails
1:29:11 a lot of
1:29:12 a lot of personal time to actually be on
1:29:14 site to help run those events so ryan
1:29:15 thank you for that that's
1:29:17 a big commitment just in and of itself
1:29:20 uh volunteered for community services
1:29:23 mighty mike
1:29:24 day camp for three summers um last
1:29:26 summer he actually served as a counselor
1:29:28 for the city's uh
1:29:29 kinder camp day camp and uh what is it
1:29:33 is skipper i heard right i don't know
1:29:37 if there's is there a reason behind
1:29:38 skipper can i put you on the spot
1:29:41 yeah so i used to go sailing and like i
1:29:44 did a sailing summer camp over
1:29:45 at the maiden bar bay yacht club with my
1:29:47 cousin every summer
1:29:48 um so skipper kind of came from that i
1:29:51 love it
1:29:52 outstanding um and i will just finish
1:29:55 with um
1:29:56 rumor has it ryan's also a straight a
1:29:58 student and eagle scout
1:30:00 so ryan you are awesome and you know
1:30:03 thank you so much for your service to
1:30:04 the community
1:30:05 and you're your service on the advisory
1:30:07 board and you make me feel like i've
1:30:09 wasted a lot of my high school years so
1:30:11 but thank you so much for what you've
1:30:13 done for us we appreciate it
1:30:15 you're here bravo ryan i guess we kind
1:30:19 of spoiled the surprise here
1:30:20 all right i promise
1:30:23 i knew ryan knew about it so hopefully
1:30:25 this was the surprise
1:30:27 awesome i had a surprise kathy and lisa
1:30:30 reached out to me i think like a week
1:30:31 ago and told me
1:30:33 i didn't know i was winning anything
1:30:34 necessarily i was just invited to the
1:30:37 community awards center but thank you
1:30:38 all very much for the very kind words
1:30:41 my dad i actually asked if you knew
1:30:42 about it they told me yes so okay well
1:30:44 never mind surprise um
1:30:47 next we have uh tara michaels and uh
1:30:50 betty roberson they're from the
1:30:51 quest senior center uh they are like
1:30:53 librarians
1:30:54 extraordinaire sort of a real life
1:30:56 dynamic duo
1:30:58 um tara and betty have been with at this
1:31:00 point senior center since uh the city
1:31:02 took over operations in january of 2017.
1:31:05 in a nutshell they manage all the senior
1:31:07 centers books puzzles games
1:31:10 this includes like organizing labeling
1:31:12 and shelving paperback
1:31:13 hard book covers categorizing them by
1:31:16 mystery adventure romance biographies
1:31:19 history and other sections of interest
1:31:22 this also includes uh you know them
1:31:24 organizing the puzzles and games
1:31:26 making them easy to find access and use
1:31:29 um we also create a special puzzle
1:31:31 program where seniors can take puzzles
1:31:33 home to complete on their own if
1:31:34 for some reason come in and out it's a
1:31:36 little hard we can set them up with
1:31:37 puzzles to do on their own
1:31:38 and their own location if that's a if
1:31:40 that's an issue um under normal
1:31:42 circumstances you know that it doesn't
1:31:44 sound like much but under normal
1:31:45 circumstances the senior center gets and
1:31:47 receives a lot of
1:31:49 books puzzles and games to go through
1:31:51 just normally
1:31:52 much less now that you know with all the
1:31:54 covid people had a lot of time to like
1:31:56 clean up their closets and do some of
1:31:57 that kind of stuff so
1:31:58 there was a huge volume um so much so
1:32:01 that we had to sort of put a stop on it
1:32:02 and bob pause that
1:32:04 pause that program for a little bit
1:32:05 because it would become a lot of stuff
1:32:07 to come to go through
1:32:09 and they have spent countless hours
1:32:11 sorting through and cataloging and
1:32:12 maintaining
1:32:13 all the senior centers books puzzles and
1:32:15 games
1:32:16 and those that aren't that we don't keep
1:32:19 we then make sure they get donated so
1:32:21 they can be used elsewhere
1:32:22 um yeah tara and betty have helped us
1:32:24 make the library a welcoming environment
1:32:25 where seniors can have a comfy place to
1:32:27 sit and read
1:32:28 work on a puzzle play a game watch a
1:32:30 movie or sit and visit with their
1:32:31 friends
1:32:32 um and above all this they bring a
1:32:34 tremendous joy that just uplifts
1:32:36 everybody they come into contact with so
1:32:38 you know when we ask them so like hey
1:32:40 how long do you plan on doing this and
1:32:41 how long you guys in this
1:32:42 in this form they said uh yeah we could
1:32:45 just do this forever
1:32:46 and they don't plan on ever leaving that
1:32:49 those are the two people from the senior
1:32:51 center and i've said as we've been
1:32:53 allowed to
1:32:54 we and we've been on this continual
1:32:55 decision-making process and saw the dial
1:32:57 we've
1:32:58 allowed things to happen and then we've
1:32:59 had to back them off we'd love them
1:33:01 as we've been allowed to through the
1:33:02 governor's ordinance and guys so
1:33:05 those are the folks that we have for
1:33:06 this year
1:33:09 jeff you got something yeah i know brian
1:33:12 thank you so much
1:33:13 and working with the recreation team on
1:33:15 those on those recommendations just a
1:33:17 little more context
1:33:18 um yes as brian says 2020 was awkward it
1:33:22 was also awkward for the
1:33:24 the these community awards ceremonies so
1:33:27 um the 2020 event was postponed
1:33:30 postponed postponed didn't happen
1:33:32 it's happening this thursday the 28th
1:33:37 to celebrate we just wanted to have a
1:33:40 chance to
1:33:40 bring those before you i know it's a
1:33:43 quick turnaround
1:33:44 share with you we thank some terrific
1:33:47 recipients who
1:33:48 we have so many volunteers and even in
1:33:50 the midst of covet we had
1:33:52 volunteers doing uh really great things
1:33:54 and these three
1:33:55 are just outstanding examples and would
1:33:58 love your
1:33:59 love your blessing and um tune in on the
1:34:03 28th to
1:34:04 just celebrate um um these recipients
1:34:08 getting their awards hopefully
1:34:09 yeah i appreciate that context jeff
1:34:11 thank you
1:34:12 so uh reuben go ahead
1:34:16 need done mute
1:34:20 so would you want to join this um is
1:34:23 there a zoom online for the
1:34:25 on the city webpage or okay great thanks
1:34:30 well i can make sure you get that too
1:34:31 rude but i can send that to melissa i
1:34:33 think there's a
1:34:34 joint page and we can send it out to the
1:34:35 park board if that if you'd like that
1:34:38 yep okay happy too
1:34:42 so let's have a motion please from
1:34:44 somebody to
1:34:46 um approve these
1:34:49 community awards for the three people
1:34:51 recommended by brian
1:34:57 thank you ruben anybody like to second
1:35:01 danielle seconded and so
1:35:05 how about a raise of hands for everyone
1:35:08 that approves this oh
1:35:14 i see everybody's hand from the board
1:35:16 okay those
1:35:17 three recommendations are approved thank
1:35:19 you yeah
1:35:21 yeah staff voted to i also see that ryan
1:35:23 did not vote for himself
1:35:24 so humble guy very humble
1:35:28 as a voting member
1:35:32 okay thanks for that and nice job ryan
1:35:39 so uh we'll go on to reports unless
1:35:42 there's anything else
1:35:44 i guess i'm up first we finally changed
1:35:47 that to give jeff a break
1:35:49 and i don't really have much so actually
1:35:52 and what i do have is
1:35:54 rather gloomy unfortunately i just
1:35:56 wanted to announce to everybody that
1:35:58 maybe have not been aware of this that
1:36:02 chief uh andy de los angeles
1:36:05 uh from the snoqualmie tribe passed away
1:36:08 last week
1:36:09 uh and a very sad affair andy was
1:36:13 chief andy was just a great leader for
1:36:17 the tribe
1:36:17 very inspirational uh he was
1:36:22 a real strong advocate which enabled the
1:36:25 tribe to actually
1:36:27 become federally recognized here
1:36:30 a few decades ago that was a very long
1:36:34 fight
1:36:34 that he spirited and probably one of the
1:36:37 more significant
1:36:38 uh aspects of some of the things that he
1:36:42 provided to the tribe so he's going to
1:36:44 be greatly missed
1:36:46 don't have much details beyond that
1:36:48 right now
1:36:49 but just wanted to at least let
1:36:51 everybody know of of his passing and
1:36:54 and uh and everybody keep them in our
1:36:57 thoughts
1:36:58 so that's actually all i had uh so jeff
1:37:02 you're up for anything you'd like to add
1:37:04 as a director's report
1:37:06 yeah just two quick items to add
1:37:09 additional lots going on
1:37:10 obviously as we turn the calendar
1:37:14 i mentioned i think last
1:37:17 meeting when a budget was adopted the 21
1:37:20 budget
1:37:21 includes the addition of a park
1:37:23 operations manager
1:37:25 this is a position that the city hasn't
1:37:29 had for
1:37:29 a number of years for the last dozen
1:37:32 years
1:37:33 we've had one manager overseeing all of
1:37:36 our facilities maintenance
1:37:37 so all of our building maintenance and
1:37:39 all of our park maintenance
1:37:40 um with the addition of this park
1:37:42 operations manager position it's
1:37:44 it's a real a real plus for us that
1:37:46 position's been posted
1:37:48 it closed over the weekend on sunday
1:37:53 we had a really strong pool of
1:37:55 candidates as i'm looking at the initial
1:37:57 review so
1:37:58 i look forward to that screening process
1:38:01 happening
1:38:02 and i'm having that position on board
1:38:04 ideally
1:38:05 uh before we um really i'd love to have
1:38:09 someone on board in early march
1:38:11 as we head into the the spring growing
1:38:12 season so
1:38:14 um stay tuned for that um
1:38:17 and then uh last item i wanted to update
1:38:19 on um
1:38:21 uh as we um have looked at youth
1:38:24 basketball
1:38:25 um i think that is a clear example of
1:38:30 our recreation programs that have been
1:38:31 impacted by kovid
1:38:34 brian and i have been working closely
1:38:35 with jared our athletic supervisor
1:38:39 in crafting a program that
1:38:42 we would we can offer um
1:38:46 through covid and through uh
1:38:50 phasing we have if any of you are aware
1:38:54 i believe you are
1:38:55 been marketing youth basketball program
1:38:59 that's going to look a little bit
1:39:00 different than a league this isn't going
1:39:01 to be a full-blown
1:39:03 league as it's historically looked we've
1:39:06 had a lot of community interest
1:39:08 we're over 500 participants who have
1:39:10 signed up for that
1:39:12 we've had some really good discussions
1:39:14 with the school district
1:39:15 and how we can deliver this program in a
1:39:18 really
1:39:19 safe uh way the goal
1:39:22 is that these participants would be put
1:39:26 pods of 15 or 20 players uh that would
1:39:30 be coached and really play inner squad
1:39:33 games within that pod
1:39:35 um so again just an effort to be really
1:39:38 creative really safe
1:39:40 but to allow boys and girls in this
1:39:43 community to have
1:39:45 an option for some for some recreation
1:39:48 where we stand right now as we are in
1:39:51 um waiting for um transition of
1:39:55 king county to go to phase two should we
1:39:58 go into phase two
1:39:59 uh this would be a program that would be
1:40:02 allowed well within those
1:40:04 those phase two uh parameters so
1:40:07 again just real hats off to our
1:40:10 recreation team
1:40:11 as the department really we're trying to
1:40:13 strike that balance between being really
1:40:15 really safe
1:40:17 but also offering opportunities for
1:40:21 our community young and old to to
1:40:23 recreate so
1:40:26 we'll see what we'll see what happens in
1:40:27 the coming in the coming weeks
1:40:30 and jeremy you got a question about that
1:40:32 yeah i was just wondering if you've
1:40:34 received any feedback from parents or
1:40:36 anything after all those emails went out
1:40:37 about
1:40:38 uh how they're how you're doing the
1:40:40 basketball with the pods and stuff
1:40:42 i i coach in i've been coaching for the
1:40:45 youth basketball as well i
1:40:46 just thought it was kind of interesting
1:40:47 i'm not quite sure how it's going to
1:40:50 yeah yeah it's going to be different um
1:40:52 but i'd say it's been overwhelmingly
1:40:54 positive
1:40:55 um given that the number of
1:40:57 registrations that that we've
1:40:58 seen um in terms of community interested
1:41:03 i think there's a general understanding
1:41:04 that it it
1:41:06 it's better than nothing we would not be
1:41:08 able to
1:41:09 offer a league that looks like um it
1:41:12 traditionally
1:41:13 traditionally looks um in 2021
1:41:16 brian i don't know if you have anything
1:41:18 to add or what you've heard in general
1:41:20 from jared um coaches and parents yeah
1:41:23 no jeremy great question because this
1:41:25 year is just looking unique in the sense
1:41:27 in order for us to meet the pods you
1:41:29 know making like a larger team of people
1:41:31 so they can enter
1:41:32 scrimmage and play amongst that and keep
1:41:34 that pod contained
1:41:35 is going to be a different look and feel
1:41:36 this year but it is what fits within the
1:41:38 model of what we've been given
1:41:40 and like jeff mentioned it's really
1:41:42 tough because we just can't have the
1:41:43 cross team play
1:41:45 right now with basketballs not just not
1:41:47 on the on the list of approvals right
1:41:50 so stay tuned yeah we were still
1:41:53 hoping that we can we can deliver it but
1:41:56 it will be dependent upon public health
1:41:58 danielle i just want to say
1:42:01 um or add that i think anything that we
1:42:04 can do
1:42:04 as a community to give opportunities for
1:42:06 kids to have something to do
1:42:09 you know like as a parent i don't really
1:42:11 care if it's
1:42:12 you know if it's if i may expect it to
1:42:15 look different and be different
1:42:17 um but kids just need um
1:42:20 need something right and they need
1:42:22 something to look forward to and they
1:42:23 need to know that there's
1:42:25 you know that they're gonna get out of
1:42:26 this and part of that is just by doing
1:42:28 more activities so
1:42:29 thank you for being creative and and
1:42:31 flexible
1:42:32 yeah appreciate that those comments and
1:42:35 appreciate again the district's been
1:42:36 very supportive
1:42:38 we can't do this without some access to
1:42:39 schools um
1:42:41 appreciate mayor paulie and and council
1:42:43 to really being
1:42:44 supportive of us getting creative um and
1:42:47 finding that mix of safe healthy but
1:42:50 also part of safe and healthy is letting
1:42:52 letting kids recreate
1:42:56 hey jeff any movement at all in the park
1:42:59 ranger position
1:43:02 park ranger position another position
1:43:04 that was uh approved in the 21 budget
1:43:06 yes in fact i was just talking to human
1:43:08 resources this afternoon
1:43:10 a job description is nearly final we
1:43:13 hope to have that
1:43:14 position posted um end of this week
1:43:18 again with a similar goal of having that
1:43:20 position filled
1:43:21 um as we head into spring so lots lots
1:43:24 going on
1:43:25 in january 2021.
1:43:32 anything else edited jeff i think that's
1:43:35 enough
1:43:35 thanks okay so ryan you have something
1:43:40 to share
1:43:41 to us uh from the youth board i do
1:43:44 well thank you all for having me back
1:43:45 again tonight i have
1:43:47 learned a lot about turf and all sorts
1:43:50 of other things that
1:43:51 i will report back to the advisory board
1:43:53 tomorrow during our meeting we have met
1:43:55 i believe three times since uh the last
1:43:58 parks board meeting
1:43:59 so i'll just go through what we did at
1:44:00 each of those meetings um
1:44:03 the first one we met with a couple other
1:44:04 youth leadership groups in the area with
1:44:06 the highlands youth board
1:44:07 and some others and we just had a
1:44:09 motivational speaker who came and talked
1:44:11 about
1:44:12 just effective leadership and different
1:44:13 strategies so that was really great
1:44:16 our second meeting in december we had
1:44:18 which is sort of a holiday party
1:44:20 usually we have a white elephant gift
1:44:21 exchange which we obviously couldn't
1:44:23 really do over
1:44:24 zoom but we played holiday jeopardy and
1:44:26 some other games
1:44:27 um and then at our last meeting earlier
1:44:30 this month
1:44:31 we basically spent the entire meeting
1:44:33 brainstorming various ideas
1:44:35 for the recovery task force uh myself
1:44:37 and some other members on the leadership
1:44:39 team went and presented
1:44:40 the ideas that the board came up with
1:44:42 but that was just a really good time of
1:44:44 brainstorming we broke up into breakout
1:44:46 breakout rooms on zoom um and that's
1:44:48 what we were doing at our last meeting
1:44:51 in terms of events the first youth
1:44:53 advisory board event of the school year
1:44:54 happened
1:44:55 in december uh one group led like it was
1:44:58 a winter crafts sort of
1:44:59 class i think it went pretty well from
1:45:02 what i've heard
1:45:03 um and moving forward a lot of our
1:45:05 groups are getting ready to hold events
1:45:07 uh march late march and into april
1:45:10 we're really starting to get uh a lot of
1:45:13 work done with our groups now that we're
1:45:15 done with our
1:45:16 we sort of reorganized ourselves at the
1:45:17 beginning of the school year and so now
1:45:19 that we've really figured out our
1:45:20 project groups and that sort of thing
1:45:22 uh groups are really getting ready to
1:45:23 start having events in the spring
1:45:28 thank you for that jeremy anything else
1:45:33 anything else ryan is that good that's
1:45:35 yeah that's good
1:45:36 thank you so much for that
1:45:40 so jeff do you do this mayor and council
1:45:42 update or
1:45:43 somebody else do that oh i i think i do
1:45:47 that too
1:45:48 um you should hand that off to someone
1:45:54 what's that must be good for that
1:45:57 that's right she would uh no this is now
1:46:00 with all boards and commissions this is
1:46:02 going to be a standing agenda item and
1:46:04 really just that opportunity when
1:46:06 there's exchange um or an update
1:46:09 or request specifically coming from a
1:46:12 mayor or council
1:46:13 or feedback that you want to to pull
1:46:15 together i don't have any updates or any
1:46:18 communication from mayor or council
1:46:20 specifically tonight i would just
1:46:22 reiterate again thanks for the turf
1:46:24 the infill discussion i will take that
1:46:27 feedback
1:46:28 and that input and share that directly
1:46:30 with both mayor and council as that
1:46:32 moves forward so
1:46:34 really appreciate those kinds of
1:46:36 discussions that we have and just
1:46:38 again further opportunities for you to
1:46:40 influence um
1:46:42 important elements within these capital
1:46:44 projects
1:46:45 so thanks thank you jeff
1:46:50 so we're just about ready to wind down
1:46:52 here any
1:46:53 uh new business announcements any
1:46:55 comments
1:46:57 somebody like to sing a song anything
1:47:01 i know i i know brian would like to do a
1:47:03 dance but we
1:47:05 probably don't have time for that
1:47:09 don't know you can handle the bread he
1:47:12 does do a mean two step
1:47:13 i imagine i imagine
1:47:16 sadly enough it's true actually yes
1:47:20 so nothing else going on and no comments
1:47:24 i'd say that this is a good time to
1:47:27 adjourn thank you everybody for
1:47:28 the evening and uh see you next month
1:47:32 nice thing everybody thanks everyone
1:47:35 good night good night everyone

Motions and votes (2)

Approve the minutes of November 30, 2020. Approved 5-0 PUBLIC COMMENTS None Central Park Pad 3 Turf Replacement - Update, (D) Presented by: Jeff Watling, Parks and Community Services Director, Jennifer Fink, Park Planner and Project Administrator and David Andrews, CPH Consultants Watling provided a…
Moved by NIETO · seconded by CRAIG
Approve the 2020 nominees for the Community Awards. Approved 7-0 REPORTS a) Chairperson's Report – - Chief Andy of the Snoqualmie Tribe passed away last week. He was a critical contributor to the Snoqualmie Tribe being nationally recognized. b) Director's Report – - 2021 Budget includes the addition…
Moved by NIETO · seconded by GITHENS