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Wednesday, January 10, 2024

6:30 PM
Topics tracked across meetings:
City of Issaquah 2022 Greenhouse Gas Emissions Inventory (I) ID 1517 1/3
Climate Vulnerability Assessment Communication Tool Concepts (D) 4/5
Section
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2a
Minutes of December 13, 2023
packet pp.3–5
Staff report:
APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 12-13-23 Environmental Board Minutes Page [1] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Environmental Board 6:30 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. December 13, 2023 MINUTES NW, Issaquah
4. AGENDA ITEMS
4a
Climate Vulnerability Assessment Communication Concepts (D) [30m]
Kathleen Hillery, CivicSpark Fellow · packet pp.7–25
Topics: Climate
Staff report:
Office of Sustainability 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov
4b
2022 Greenhouse Gas Emissions Inventory (D) [75m]
David Reedy, Sustainability Coordinator · packet pp.27–64
Topics: Climate
Staff report:
Office of Sustainability 130 E Sunset Way | P.O. Box 1307 Issaquah, WA 98027 issaquahwa.gov
5. REPORTS
5a
Proposed Content for Environmental Board Retreat (tentative)
6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS
6a
Environmental Board Draft 2024 Workplan
packet pp.65–67
Staff report:
APPROVED: [Date] REVISED: 1/4/2024
0:05 all right welcome to the January 10th
0:08 meeting of the esquad environmental
0:09 board I'm Jamie Finch and I'll be your
0:10 chair tonight uh due to the hybrid
0:13 nature of the meeting we will have
0:15 members attending in person and online
0:18 uh for those online please keep yourself
0:20 muted while you're not speaking um raise
0:23 your hand to indicate your desire to
0:24 speak we'll do our best to catch you and
0:27 then hop in if we're still missing you
0:30 um anyone in person as we always do
0:32 please put your name tags up on the side
0:34 when you would like to speak um I don't
0:37 think we'll have any topics that we need
0:39 to summarize agreement maybe we will
0:42 with one of the items uh tonight
0:44 summarizing agreement around topics um
0:47 and if so uh we'll summarize that then
0:50 have any
0:53 comments summarized I think with that we
0:56 can move into attendance St you want to
0:59 take a
1:01 uh Tom Anderson here Nancy Davidson here
1:05 Jamie Finch here Raj
1:07 gaki Joy
1:09 Lewis Ashwin
1:12 Kanan here Ashwin manah
1:16 heran Don McWilliams
1:19 here an newcom I know is planning to
1:23 join us virtually doesn't look like
1:25 she's here yet um Janet wall Dixie bear
1:30 Alex Lee tigner here we have
1:35 cor thank you Stacey
1:37 um uh we have any comments on the
1:40 minutes from our previous
1:44 meeting hearing none those are approved
1:46 as presented um next up I don't think we
1:50 have any public that are going to be
1:54 speaking degree I don't think we also
1:56 had any public comments no no written
1:58 public comments we do have one member of
2:00 the public online but has not indicated
2:02 an interest to speak
2:04 tonight all right well I think with that
2:06 then we can move into our agenda items
2:08 the first one being the climate
2:10 vulnerability assessment communication
2:14 Concepts
2:16 oh we want to do do we want to introduce
2:20 Nick let's do that real all right that
2:23 on my attenda sorry uh Nick do you mind
2:25 turn on your camera real quick we'll
2:27 just do a brief introduction
2:31 UMO horen just joined us on Monday um as
2:36 uh similar to Kathleen Nick is a Civic
2:39 spark fellow Kathleen will maybe do a
2:41 very quick reminder of Civic spark um
2:43 during her
2:45 presentation um Nick joined us from
2:47 California is going to be with us
2:48 through August um is working on a number
2:51 of climate projects uh some of we'll be
2:54 taking on some of the work uh that
2:56 Kathleen has done so far for the city
2:59 but then also working on a number of
3:01 additional projects like the climate
3:03 challenge helping with the
3:04 sustainability Fair um working on our
3:06 resilience projects and a number of
3:08 other ones so I'm sure the board will be
3:10 hearing from Nick later in the year
3:12 presenting on the projects um that
3:14 they've been working on Nick do you wan
3:16 to say anything to the members of the
3:18 board or you can also wait till you're
3:20 here in person
3:22 too yeah I think you covered it but um
3:24 I'm glad to be here uh listening thank
3:28 you
3:33 now we will move into the climate
3:34 vulnerability assessment
3:47 Concepts great thank you Stacy good
3:49 evening board members of the public my
3:51 name is Kathleen Hillary and I am the
3:52 Civic spark fellow working with the
3:54 office of sustainability as a brief
3:56 reminder that's a maror program that's
3:59 recently been folded underneath the
4:01 Washington climate Corp and the
4:02 fellowship offers various professional
4:05 development opportunities for fellows to
4:07 work with municipalities and departments
4:08 working on sustainability and
4:10 sustainability adjacent topics uh and
4:13 engage in other various trainings in the
4:15 field my purpose tonight is to provide
4:18 you all with preliminary Communications
4:20 material Concepts to inform our
4:22 community about the climate
4:23 vulnerability assessment its findings
4:26 and lean into various connections for
4:28 followon information resources and
4:30 actions that our neighbors can
4:35 take tonight we'll discuss a very high
4:38 level overview of what the CVA found and
4:40 Associated messages we'd like to make
4:42 clear to the community and the concepts
4:45 themselves
4:47 please first let's remember that the IAP
4:50 identified the need to conduct a climate
4:53 vulnerability assessment with IAP action
4:55 CR 2.1 uh to understand the specific
4:58 climate impacts which threaten isqua and
5:00 strategies for enhancing Community
5:02 adaptive capacity especially of
5:04 vulnerable groups and Municipal
5:09 infrastructure the CVA analyzed four
5:11 General sectors buil environment natural
5:14 systems and storm water water resources
5:17 and Sewer public health and well-being
5:19 and then the 10 sub sectors that you can
5:21 see on your
5:22 screen the graphic depicts climate
5:25 impacts to these Associated sectors the
5:28 broad sectors including Wildfire heat
5:30 and consequences of extreme
5:36 precipitation this graphic details the
5:38 relative vulnerabilities from high to
5:40 low of the sub sectors taking into
5:43 account both climate risk which factors
5:45 in sensitivity and exposure to climate
5:48 impacts as well as the Adaptive capacity
5:51 of the sectors themselves which include
5:54 the capability of systems biodiversity
5:58 and Institution
6:00 to moderate cope or adapt to climate
6:02 change next slide
6:07 please conducting this assessment
6:09 allowed staff to understand various
6:10 areas of improvement and the CBA did
6:12 circulate very much so among the
6:15 staff what we'd like to do is
6:18 communicate the assessment in its uh
6:21 full form but also in truncated forms by
6:26 communicating both the assessment itself
6:29 and how various elements of the IAP
6:31 address identified gaps from the
6:33 assessment plans for future work etc by
6:37 offering this transparency we can
6:39 facilitate Community inclusion and allow
6:42 individuals and family units to
6:43 determine what preparations they need to
6:46 build resilience for themselves and
6:48 among neighbors these targeted
6:50 Communications materials can't distill
6:53 50 pages of information uh but we can
6:57 generate exposure to the various facets
6:59 that were held within that assessment
7:01 and also building Community
7:03 resilience slide
7:07 please we want to communicate the
7:09 findings accurately and widely without
7:12 being reductive but that's going to take
7:15 a lot of different Communications
7:17 material in many different ways so
7:20 tonight you're only getting three uh and
7:24 those are a municipal website page
7:26 update and inclusion of the CVA to
7:29 provide a central location for the most
7:31 accurate and upto-date
7:33 information they would also house a link
7:35 to the full report and various other
7:38 community uh Community Communications
7:40 materials and two-page memos reducing
7:43 the 50 pages into various sectors and it
7:47 would also be a place where community
7:49 members could find links to follow on
7:51 resources for preparing for extreme
7:54 weather we'd like to also do a school
7:58 flyer for poster similar tool to
8:01 facilitate youth inclusion and perhaps
8:03 even in incorporate some coverage of
8:06 multilingual family structures by
8:09 children who attend ISD schools bringing
8:12 these things home to family members who
8:14 may not have English as a first
8:16 language and a community notice fly or
8:20 similar signage tool which could Foster
8:22 neighborhood level awareness in order to
8:25 build resilience have a plan among
8:27 neighbors and have some constant signage
8:30 or similar stationary Landmark keeping
8:33 resilience front in
8:37 mind as stated a website in update to uh
8:43 isqu Municipal website itself Builds on
8:45 existing dashboards to present a central
8:47 database for
8:49 information this would have a link to
8:52 vulnerability assessment which you can
8:55 see in the bottom left corner this
8:58 mockup is is on the Emergency Management
9:00 page but it does not have to be housed
9:02 here specifically this is just a concept
9:07 it also have its own web
9:10 page housing it here or on its own web
9:13 page allows us to incorporate links to
9:18 additional resources as previously
9:25 stated we anticipate that key elements
9:29 of such an update would include the
9:31 report itself and the two-page memos as
9:34 well as resources to Human
9:38 Services weather trackers from Noah or
9:40 the National Weather Service and any
9:43 City plans that specifically address
9:45 gaps identified by the CVA as well as
9:48 whatever uh other materials are
9:50 determined by staff and
9:54 Boards there's also an example of an
9:58 arcgis store story map from the city of
10:00 Shoreline that uses interactive
10:02 storytelling to present information
10:04 Graphics photos definitions City
10:07 projects and Community opportunities to
10:09 learn more we can click on this link if
10:11 you would like to see that
10:15 example I see yeses from the
10:27 crowd thir brief give you idea I don't
10:30 know if folks are familiar with story
10:32 Maps but this is we may
10:35 need okay that it
10:40 is you may just be sharing the
10:58 power
10:59 [Music]
11:01 and here's the example of how a story
11:03 map can be used built this particular
11:06 one from arcj to create maps and
11:11 interactive links to additional fact
11:14 sheets and pictures from the
11:27 community
11:33 please this is again a mockup of a
11:37 school
11:38 flyer it is not
11:40 necessarily uh the
11:43 exact material but it's a graphic that
11:50 is designed
11:52 for middle schoolish aged children
11:56 slightly younger um what we'd like to do
12:01 with these pieces of school information
12:04 is to facilitate youth exposure to the
12:08 conversation while including them in the
12:13 conversation in a age appropriate way in
12:16 a place where there's already structure
12:18 for uh topics that can sometimes be
12:21 difficult to discuss and use
12:25 multilingual family structures whose
12:28 children attend schools to bring
12:31 information from the school through the
12:33 child to the
12:35 family
12:39 um one of the things that I've been
12:41 thinking about is uh using QR codes also
12:47 in order to have especially for older
12:49 students who have technology and who are
12:52 curious about learning more to have
12:54 something that is on a 24 by6 poster but
12:57 they can get access to further
13:00 information next slide
13:03 please and then Community
13:06 signage these are merely examples of
13:09 signs that exist um the entering and
13:14 leaving tsunami Hazard zones are uh on
13:18 Whidby Island in various places as well
13:21 as elsewhere in the United States on the
13:23 west coast Wildfire evacuation routes
13:25 and then I'm sure that folks are
13:27 familiar with the volcano evacuation
13:29 root signages around Mount
13:31 reineer
13:33 um these are merely
13:36 ideas and can also be
13:40 different more stationary uh boards or
13:45 signages for directions to resilience
13:48 hubs once we have physical locations for
13:51 those
13:52 areas and also shared with us some
13:55 education material relating to idle free
13:57 zones so that might be a sign option
14:01 within the community especially around
14:03 schools post offices other places where
14:05 idling is common like Pharmacy
14:07 drive-throughs or
14:09 Banks but this is where we have some
14:13 next steps and questions for you next
14:15 slide please we're going to be
14:17 presenting to the Human Services
14:19 Commission and sending a memo to the
14:21 equity board to gain their insight into
14:24 this topic as well we'll publish the CVA
14:27 report it is current with our
14:29 Communications team and then we'll
14:31 continue developing Communications
14:32 material based on all of that feedback
14:35 slide please what we have for some
14:38 discussion tonight is do you think these
14:41 materials presented in a good way to
14:45 educate the public and what kinds of
14:47 community signage are you interested in
14:49 in your neighborhoods are there other
14:51 materials or strategies that you'd like
14:53 to see employed in the community Andor
14:56 schools or elsewhere to facil itate
14:59 awareness about future climate impacts
15:02 and resources and how do you and your
15:04 neighbors currently get your information
15:07 or what changes would benefit how you
15:10 get your
15:15 information thank
15:21 you like
15:23 uh go ahead so I have a few
15:27 comments um so I I did look at the
15:30 website the shoreline city of Shoreline
15:32 website I think the arj storytelling map
15:36 you know is a great idea um I do think
15:39 the QR code is great too especially for
15:43 high schoolers um for capturing the
15:46 school audience or reaching more ISD you
15:50 know um community members um I think you
15:54 should reach out to the school but
15:55 basically you should reach out to most
15:57 of the ISD schools have green teams and
16:00 some of them are pretty active um uh
16:03 most of the Green Team high high school
16:05 green teams actually post updates you
16:07 know every week or every two weeks on
16:10 Instagram they hold events and they do
16:13 bunch of actually active events with
16:16 students as well as for the community uh
16:19 so you should reach out to them and you
16:21 know um these CVA materials especially
16:25 if you give them the QR codes that would
16:27 be great can actually reach a lot of
16:30 young people um as well as the other way
16:33 I have seen is in ISD newsletters I have
16:37 seen a lot of
16:38 information uh not necessarily just for
16:41 schools but you know impacting the
16:43 communities in ISD pass through um in
16:46 different forms uh so that also may be a
16:49 good way you know to reach out uh to um
16:53 basically publish the information
16:55 regarding your CVA um the other
16:58 questions I did look at the website and
17:00 one of the suggestions I had was uh you
17:04 can also add the shelters information or
17:07 you know the resilience areas as you
17:09 mentioned once available and once
17:11 confirmed um especially for the
17:14 communities which will be more affected
17:17 during you know extreme heat or climate
17:19 events I know King County sends notices
17:21 or text during extreme heat events so
17:24 something like that if you have
17:26 permanent structures available for um
17:29 you know public to access during any
17:31 extreme events they should be listed on
17:33 the website as well um that's all thank
17:38 you
17:41 and very well presented I love the fly I
17:45 love the story map idea I've always been
17:47 big fan of story map making
17:50 it up in front so you can see it um
17:54 comment on your community signage um the
17:56 idea of community signage is great I can
17:58 see Wildfire sign in isqua here possibly
18:01 a flooding sign some flooding down on
18:03 isqua from time to time and then also um
18:06 you have opportunities in this we in the
18:08 Parks especially like where you cross a
18:10 stream or whatnot some C of interpretive
18:12 signage to get into this a little more
18:14 detail for those that want
18:26 stop D go ahead
18:30 okay just reflecting on how I like to
18:33 get up to date and keep informed on on
18:36 City related things I very much enjoy
18:39 the ISA Insider email based
18:44 newsletter and the city does a very nice
18:47 job on that and uh related to that you
18:51 can sign up to be informed of get alerts
18:54 about various andry other things
18:57 relating to
18:59 Community uh events and emergencies Etc
19:03 these are powerful tools it it isn't the
19:07 answer for everyone but it is the answer
19:10 for many and uh so that coupling that
19:14 into the flow of information I mean
19:17 having a website U out there when
19:20 something is added to the city's website
19:22 I mean I don't go look at the city's
19:24 website very often looking well I wonder
19:26 what's new here you know that's not how
19:28 I get informed I get informed by this
19:30 channel of information coming at me and
19:33 then I I choose to investigate further
19:36 by following the links and I think
19:39 that's a very good model to uh follow
19:42 for dissemination of information and and
19:44 reaching people I think if you think
19:47 about those tentacles of of the email
19:50 flow and well then how do we build on
19:53 that to uh connect to people who aren't
19:56 all about the email thing the other
19:58 social social channels uh finding a way
20:02 to actively engage in those other
20:04 channels is uh key too particularly for
20:07 some
20:09 demographics and on the QR code I think
20:12 that's that's a great thing for certain
20:15 U demographic as well I mean it wasn't
20:18 that long ago when QR codes were
20:20 strictly a geeky thing but uh it is now
20:24 mainstream and Co has helped us get
20:27 there the of going into a restaurant for
20:29 example and scanning the QR code for the
20:32 menu I mean this is just everybody knows
20:34 how to do that a few years ago everybody
20:37 didn't know how to do that and so that
20:39 is mainstream now and that's a powerful
20:41 method uh to help people connect to the
20:45 the the core content which is somewhere
20:47 else for both in terms of uh the email
20:51 channels as well as um signage it's I
20:57 guess particularly powerful and the
20:59 signage both signage in terms of in the
21:02 public corridors along trails and
21:05 sidewalks Etc as well as in the school
21:09 and other public
21:11 settings uh that's all thank you thanks
21:14 Tom go to Alex and then
21:18 Nancy yeah thank you for this
21:20 presentation I really appreciate it and
21:22 I'm excited to see the final products
21:24 when they start coming out um I agree
21:26 with everyone that the story map is
21:28 really great and especially like
21:30 relative to the city's website it's a
21:33 lot more interactive and a lot more like
21:35 I pleasing um on it it's got those it's
21:39 got the fact sheets um and I really like
21:42 those because it it presents things much
21:44 more graphically and I think trying to
21:47 focus on as little text as possible with
21:51 eye-catching Graphics to try and
21:52 communicate as quickly as possible the
21:55 main points that you're trying to get
21:56 across and draw people in is going to be
21:58 really key with any of the tools that we
22:02 use
22:03 um I liked what praj was saying about
22:06 involving the students more than just
22:09 putting Flyers up at the schools um I
22:13 think that there are great green teams
22:15 that would take on projects to try and
22:17 help educate like take the information
22:19 and distill it to their classmates I
22:21 think that's a really
22:23 good way to help get that information
22:25 and have them take some ownership of it
22:26 and also have it communicated on a like
22:28 scale that the students would be more
22:30 interested in um so I'd love to see how
22:33 we could work more with the schools and
22:35 not just provide them with
22:38 materials
22:44 um I'd also love to have as a um partner
22:49 that does outreach around these things
22:51 I'd love to have pre-created materials
22:53 that I can share either through social
22:54 media on my website on at events through
22:58 like a fly one of these flyers that they
23:01 could scan um or even rocket cards or
23:03 something that we can give out about
23:05 being you know preparedness
23:07 opportunities um and how people can
23:09 learn more information so anything that
23:11 we can create that's like a media
23:13 toolkit um that can be shipped out to
23:15 Partners would be really helpful that's
23:16 really graphic oriented and
23:23 centered thank you Alex Nancy go ahead
23:27 so so I don't know if you by the way
23:29 great presentation before I get started
23:31 with my questions at one point um Thomas
23:34 Rush came here and talked to us about
23:35 how to communicate climate things since
23:37 last year I don't know if you had an
23:39 opportunity to talk with him at all
23:41 about your communication strategy but he
23:43 did receive a bunch of feedback from us
23:45 on how to communicate things related to
23:47 climate so I'm going to go over a few of
23:49 them one of which is that um I'm not
23:53 sure sending people to the ISA insiders
23:55 is the only way to do it because a lot a
23:57 lot of people aren't on that list and
24:00 not really knowing it so you have a
24:02 couple of tools that the city has to
24:04 send out regularly one is a utility bill
24:07 the second one is an annual water
24:09 quality report that city has to send out
24:11 the third one is partnering with waste
24:13 management garbage PSC is putting out a
24:16 regular Bill to most of us some get it
24:18 electronically but they can add to that
24:20 too if you work with them in Partnership
24:22 so my suggestion is for those of us that
24:25 aren't his technology Savvy that
24:27 wouldn't be my husband yes um I think it
24:30 would really benefit to use other means
24:33 than assuming that everybody's checking
24:35 emails and on the inside or we need to
24:37 get it the second piece that I would
24:40 suggest I'm changing topics is we need
24:42 to get to the chamber we need to get to
24:44 businesses as well as students and
24:46 homeowners so without them starting to
24:49 do more um we're going to be way behind
24:52 we need to get to the Costco and the big
24:54 Reis and stuff and get their
24:55 participation as well um the third thing
24:59 that I was going to say along this lines
25:02 remember it is that I just really I
25:05 really appreciate the storyboard but we
25:07 need to find a way to communicate it and
25:09 to me the words climate vulnerability
25:13 assessment means nothing but if you talk
25:15 about climate change you see that in the
25:17 news almost every day you've got to
25:19 start there if you want information
25:21 about climate change one piece of it is
25:24 the vulnerability assessment so we need
25:25 to get something that drags people to
25:28 whatever website we're using to
25:30 communicate this and I'm not sure those
25:34 three words climate vulnerability
25:36 assessment is enough to draw me to go
25:37 look and to search this storyboard but
25:40 if you talk to me about climate change
25:42 and what is your community doing about
25:44 it I'd go follow that one because i' be
25:46 interest in it so that's just my
25:48 feedback to you I think the name will be
25:51 hard to get people to click the link and
25:56 open
25:58 go ahead thank you you have any question
26:01 I had a quick follow sure um I I really
26:05 appreciate that feedback and I'm putting
26:09 on spot by asking this question but do
26:10 you have an idea of what words would get
26:12 you to pull the thread what is your city
26:15 doing about climate change or clim
26:18 climate change is a word that you've got
26:19 to be using there not vulnerability I
26:22 mean it is part of what we're doing and
26:24 it tells us how we're doing and where
26:26 we're the sub the problems but we really
26:29 need to get them because that's what
26:30 people are trying to say I'm buying heat
26:33 pumps I'm buying a green car what else
26:36 can I do and so we need to help them
26:39 with it and I think there's not just the
26:41 vulnerability assessment but there's all
26:42 of the other stuff we're trying to get
26:44 them to do we can get them hooked to
26:46 look at this we might be able to bring
26:48 about more change absolutely I wanted to
26:51 verify the words embedded within your
26:53 feedback are the things that would get
26:55 you to yeah go forward great thank you
26:58 so much I think largely we're talking
27:00 about threats to the community right how
27:01 do we mitigate them and so being able
27:05 to we're trying to talk about well why
27:08 are we talking about
27:10 this why are we trying to get people pay
27:12 attention and more importantly what's
27:14 the solution to it um uh one thing that
27:18 I have a note here as we mentioned how
27:20 can we get the Community Resources and I
27:22 think instead we should think about how
27:24 are we going to give them resources
27:25 right what do we find our Sol solutions
27:28 that are tangible that we with our
27:30 knowledge can then hand out right rather
27:32 than making the citizens say well I
27:34 don't know what to do instead say Hey
27:36 you know we think composting is a good
27:37 idea here's an event where we're giving
27:39 away composting EVS right as something
27:41 that is a qua done right how can we
27:43 actually get people resources rather
27:45 than trying to say where can we direct
27:46 you it's a slight shift of thinking but
27:48 it kind of puts the onus more on how we
27:51 trying to reach out within our community
27:53 um and actually enable them to be
27:56 following through and easy easier way um
27:59 I think in a similar way unfortunately
28:00 the factory model in education um uses
28:03 worksheets to teach kids and it's made
28:05 pretty OBS to them when a kid sees a
28:07 piece of paper they're not generally
28:08 even reading through that piece of paper
28:10 and so the idea that a flyer is going to
28:11 be able to filter down probably pretty
28:13 unlikely when you think about how many
28:15 pieces of paper in a kid sees every day
28:17 right now in an ISD school school
28:19 district um and so instead I um I parent
28:23 what other people have said but I would
28:24 rather see um an involvement with the
28:26 school district of maybe high schoolers
28:28 could be coming into a junior high
28:30 Elementary environment um kids feel
28:33 powerful when they are the teachers
28:35 right when they're learning something
28:36 that they can then teach back and it
28:38 really reinforces the model of
28:40 understanding critical thinking
28:41 component to this rather than just being
28:43 told it and so I do wish that the
28:45 education could flipped a little bit
28:47 we've seen it rather than doing a flyer
28:49 I think it's not going to get the intent
28:51 that we want but being able to teach a
28:53 child something that they can teach
28:54 somebody else you're going to have that
28:56 reverberation of them that having
28:57 conversations later on in their family
29:00 and knowing and saying oh I know this
29:02 information rather than I've just been
29:03 told this information um further um
29:06 we've done a lot of work on a code with
29:09 our signage if you are able to break
29:11 through and put tags on things I will be
29:13 the first to be so happy that you do
29:16 we've been advocating to the city to put
29:17 QR codes on our Parks boards on um
29:21 signage throughout the city and it's
29:23 something that for some reason has not
29:25 been able to alien um a large portion of
29:28 the Ison population has a smartphone and
29:30 the fact don't use QR codes um on any
29:33 signage that we use it's pretty
29:35 ridiculous we've even talked about
29:36 having safety issues of people trying to
29:38 get Public Notices pulling over to the
29:40 side of the road to understand what's
29:42 going on here and instead a quick snap
29:44 QR code would avoid that doesn't happen
29:47 if you can figure out why you can break
29:48 through that would be great but it's a
29:51 it's a way that it should be
29:52 communicated in every form right when
29:54 you see a tsunami s or a flooding threat
29:57 or any anything there should be a QR
29:58 code that can link you then to resources
30:00 and further information to better
30:02 understand what's going on and I think
30:03 that part of this is um a perceived
30:05 reality right we're trying to speak to a
30:07 portion of the population that may not
30:09 be in alignment or um have um the
30:12 knowledge based to say yes I agree with
30:15 all these things right so there is a
30:16 component of needing to educate and to
30:18 say this is actively happening and this
30:20 is how we know it's happening to help
30:22 kind of bring people around to have a
30:23 better understanding of it um maybe
30:26 that's bringing presenters and doing Ted
30:28 style talks right at community centers
30:30 or things like that I think there's an
30:31 education component where we can
30:33 communicate this information in a way
30:35 that feels um more collaborative with
30:38 the community um and again we've talked
30:40 a lot about things like kiosks um and
30:43 the use of neighborhoods as um focal
30:46 points for being able to reach
30:48 microcosms within the city and so there
30:50 should be there's places like for
30:52 instance the highlands right where it
30:53 would be easier to be able to post a tag
30:55 to post a flyer in Community kiosks um
30:59 and so examining where in our code do we
31:01 allow this and being able to kind of
31:03 push the administration to say we've
31:05 allowed for this signage code so let's
31:07 actually enact it because we want to use
31:09 this tool and being able to kind of use
31:11 the resources that we know we've built
31:12 in but don't
31:14 necessarily exist but can't
31:19 sense oh I'm sorry one more thing I
31:21 didn't see any mention of Partnerships
31:23 um and I wanted to pair with someone
31:24 else said um don't follow me tribe
31:26 businesses Builder
31:27 um to help with Outreach right to better
31:29 understand even um Builders can be a
31:33 huge resource right now saying like why
31:34 does why does Green Space exist in this
31:36 building right being able to say why is
31:38 it that we have um an infrastructure
31:40 plan that we do because it contributes
31:42 to clean water clean air right different
31:44 things that we' um enacted into our code
31:47 we can better communicate why they exist
31:49 in the built environment to the people
31:54 use and go
31:56 ahead
32:00 oh can't hear you
32:08 muted sorry I have two things to unmute
32:10 and so I have to remember that um great
32:14 conversation great presentation just a
32:17 short little thing to um and my idea
32:21 might be too long but loved what Nancy
32:22 said about how to communicate and um who
32:26 to communicate with I was just thinking
32:29 maybe this would be a good way to draw
32:31 people in what is our city doing to keep
32:33 us safe from the effects of climate
32:37 change but that might be too long so I
32:40 just wanted to toss that out there in
32:41 case you like
32:49 it oh um I I had a
32:53 question from staff J what what does
32:57 success look like from this like what
32:59 what is the key message or messages that
33:01 we think people need to come out of this
33:03 communication about the climate
33:05 vulnerability assessment what do we want
33:06 them understand or know or
33:15 react I think that what success looks
33:19 like
33:21 is parness as a sliver of resilience
33:27 within the community
33:29 and 100% coverage of all of the
33:33 neighbors including those who come from
33:36 vulnerable
33:37 populations including our UNH house
33:41 neighbors
33:43 immigrants Etc
33:47 and to track that is extremely hard to
33:51 have any kind of uh measurable trackable
33:54 followup would be extremely hard
34:00 but in so much as maybe we don't know we
34:04 get a 100% coverage the attempt of 100%
34:08 coverage is what success looks like
34:12 for I understand what the
34:14 vulnerabilities are to my community and
34:16 I am prepared to meet each of those
34:21 vulnerabilities yeah I think you said
34:23 that well I was just going to say I
34:26 think we want the community all of the
34:28 community especially those most at risk
34:30 to understand the impacts I think a lot
34:32 of our community doesn't even think
34:34 about wildfire and that is a true risk
34:37 now um and to know to have access to the
34:41 resources and know um what they can do
34:44 to be prepared and where they can go to
34:46 be um and I think that's a and I think
34:49 with the communication materials what
34:51 Kathleen's been really careful about and
34:52 what we will be going forward is not not
34:55 to create fear but but to just build
34:58 that awareness and provide the resources
35:00 that folks know um what to do and what
35:02 action they can take and do it in a way
35:04 that's not um igniting fear but instead
35:08 just a
35:10 self-sufficiency just put out a Citywide
35:13 survey anually we do every two years um
35:17 do a community survey that might be a
35:20 way to get a metric yeah some of the
35:23 questions that mention add those to the
35:26 survey
35:29 yeah yeah that's great we do have a
35:32 couple of sustainability questions that
35:33 are in that survey I think with now the
35:36 completion of the vulnerability
35:38 assessment would be a good time to add
35:39 that in and that'll go out next
35:42 year yeah it's a
35:44 great that's 2025 2025 I believe I think
35:48 they did in 2023 came
35:51 out um I haven't finished um so I um the
35:57 reason I asked that question is because
35:58 I think that like climate vulnerability
36:00 assessment how you communicate to the
36:01 public could take different forms like
36:05 it's one the city is doing something to
36:07 to understand these impacts there's the
36:10 people that this is going most directly
36:11 impact this is how we're going to help
36:13 you in this case so I think we need to
36:14 think about the different levels of
36:16 communication we're going to have with
36:17 this like there's some communities that
36:19 are going to see direct impacts that
36:21 we've identified in this report we
36:23 should be thinking about how do we
36:25 communicate those risks and the
36:27 solutions to them and that seems like
36:29 the base level like we have to do that
36:32 that's like the number one priority
36:34 coming out of this is the most at risk
36:36 groups how are they aware of the risks
36:38 that they're going to be facing and the
36:39 resources that they have I think more
36:41 generally in what our resources maybe
36:44 feel more focused on right now is
36:46 general education which while it's
36:48 important that I think I'm not sure it's
36:52 the right first step or the right
36:54 priority for based on what you're saying
36:56 that all of the most at risk people I
36:58 mean everyone we want everyone to aware
37:00 but especially the most at risk people I
37:01 don't see that in the current plan of
37:04 like this is how we're going to Target
37:06 the unhoused or whoever else we like go
37:08 through the climate vulnerability
37:09 assessment who is most at risk based on
37:11 the risk we've seen how are we
37:12 communicating to them that would be the
37:14 first thing that I would do um and then
37:17 I think climate vulnerability I agree
37:19 with with nany that that word and just
37:22 that General framing isn't going to work
37:24 for people and even I'm not even sure
37:26 climate change is like I'm not that's
37:29 not going to resonate with everyone so I
37:30 think how we communicate this and I
37:33 don't have the answer but is going to be
37:34 really delicate I think we the one thing
37:37 I know is that climate vulnerability
37:38 assessment is probably not the right
37:40 term um but how you communicate the
37:43 risks that they're going to be facing
37:45 because I think a lot of people are just
37:46 me like what's the punchline what do I
37:48 need to know how's this going to impact
37:49 me and what are the resources that I
37:51 have um so I think someone being able to
37:54 get that information and then if they
37:56 want to dive deeper on like what the
37:57 wise and what climate change impacts
38:00 they're going to see and why those
38:01 impacts are occurring um that that's at
38:04 least how I would think about it is like
38:06 the Baseline how do you communicate the
38:08 facts the the impacts to them and then
38:11 give people options to educate but um it
38:14 just seems like if if there's too much
38:17 packaging about climate change around
38:18 this that you might miss some of your
38:20 audience that really need to hear about
38:22 this so um I think that just general
38:24 messaging and how you're getting getting
38:26 in touch with the people most at risk
38:28 are the two areas that that seem like
38:30 maybe more attention could be paid um to
38:35 so but yeah overall I think some of the
38:37 other things are nice but I'm not sure
38:39 we've address them the biggest potential
38:42 population risk populations or at least
38:44 identify with those are so we know that
38:46 we're targeting
38:47 them
38:51 um this is like a really interesting
38:53 thing to be thinking about so um I think
38:56 think it's probably important to really
38:57 think about the old you guys kind of
38:59 talked about that but like in the flyer
39:01 for example it actually as I was reading
39:03 I like I actually you know I I don't
39:06 know that it's actually a bad thing to
39:09 be honest if the if the assessment says
39:12 we're in danger then I don't know if we
39:14 should sure code it I think we do that a
39:16 lot in um sustainability stuff like you
39:19 know so people don't really realize the
39:21 threat is actually much closer than um
39:24 you know they like to think well it's
39:25 not going to happen in my life Lifetime
39:27 well that's probably not the way it is
39:32 um for whatever that's worth I know
39:34 we're talking about children but um you
39:37 know they're the ones that are have to
39:38 deal with this the most so I think maybe
39:40 it's important to be a little bit real
39:41 with what the results say um and then um
39:44 the Flyers to the flyer point it it
39:46 feels a little like you know here we're
39:48 telling them to protect climate change
39:50 and then we're printing things so if we
39:51 can avoid that I think that maybe makes
39:53 sense right to to show that like we are
39:56 just here's what we believe in and you
39:58 know here's some solutions although I do
40:00 understand the purposes to help Reach
40:02 people who maybe don't have access to
40:03 phones and things like that um and then
40:06 uh just a thought was you know um when
40:09 was it in the 80s neighborhood watch
40:10 groups were really popular at one point
40:13 um why not I know it would be a very big
40:16 um undertaking but why not start
40:19 creating the idea that if we if we know
40:21 where these challenged areas are going
40:23 to be you know there's a lot of data
40:26 available and there's probably apps that
40:27 would do the same thing of creating kind
40:29 of um like almost like a neighborhood
40:31 tree so that people start like realizing
40:34 like because some people will be more in
40:36 every Community there's always somebody
40:37 who's really into it and some that
40:38 aren't and they can help kind of bridge
40:40 the gap that I just don't think like a
40:42 website does for the people we're trying
40:44 to reach which is the best way to reach
40:46 them is say hey neighbor did you know
40:48 that we are at risk for
40:50 Wildfire and here's what we're going to
40:52 do here's the plan and we just want you
40:53 to know what the plan is like that's a
40:55 like a simp it's a big project but
40:57 Simple
40:58 Solution in some ways so and then I
41:01 think social media is a great strategy
41:03 it's what everybody's using um and it's
41:06 a it can be a really easy strategy you
41:07 can literally make all of your posts you
41:09 can make 365 posts and just keep
41:11 regurgitating them all the time schedule
41:13 them and they just keep posting um so at
41:16 least it's out
41:21 there see joy we do need to wrap this
41:24 topic so if there's anything quick
41:27 umly can't do longer quick quickly I'll
41:30 um tear out what Dixie is saying is that
41:32 um the best way you're going to reach
41:33 vulnerable populations and I did not get
41:35 that at all from the presentation that
41:37 that was a priority Target um the best
41:39 way to do that is through Word of Mouth
41:41 um and you asked how do community talk
41:44 and a way to do that is basically have
41:46 put park benches in places that we know
41:48 people are piing bus stops being able to
41:51 uh create spaces people are talking um
41:54 and then being a all those park benches
41:57 right that are queuing oh hey here's
41:59 information about how many plastic
42:00 bottles we used to make this bench right
42:02 there's a lot of different ways that we
42:03 can create spaces to enable more
42:06 interaction and human interaction we
42:07 used to actually have people who would
42:10 who work for the city of Isa who would
42:11 be in every single neighborhood would
42:12 create these networks like the watch and
42:14 the administration chose to do away with
42:17 them and we called for them many times
42:19 to come back and the best way to do it
42:20 again is on a neighborhood level within
42:22 Isa and to be able to advocate for how
42:25 do we rebuild that infrastructure that
42:27 we actually already used to have so that
42:29 people are having direct dialogue with
42:31 their neighbors about hey when there is
42:33 flooding here's the best way that we
42:34 know to help this person who has maybe
42:36 mobility issues and this person who has
42:38 these other challenges is the people who
42:40 are living next door to them and so
42:41 that's really your goals you need to how
42:43 are these people actually coming
42:44 together
42:47 facilitating
42:50 um out all right I think that's all of
42:52 our comments um any final thoughts for
42:55 us in
42:59 Stacy no I think we'll take the feedback
43:02 um probably sit down with our
43:03 Communications team emergency manager
43:05 and then as Kathleen mentioned we are
43:07 going to be talking with the Human
43:08 Services Commission in a couple of weeks
43:10 and so we'll really focus that
43:11 conversation on reaching how do we most
43:13 reach best reach those
43:16 populations great well with that we will
43:18 move on to our next agenda topic the
43:20 2022 greenhouse gas emissions in Detroit
43:23 Jamie um real quick sorry to interrupt
43:25 we did have two additional members of
43:27 the public
43:29 join okay if we check in rather they're
43:32 okay hi an fetcher and Dave nice to see
43:34 you just wanted to check in and see if
43:36 you all were hoping to make public
43:38 comment tonight or if you're just
43:44 listening if you are able to
43:49 unmute if you're having any trouble uh
43:52 unmuting please go ahead and send me a
43:54 chat if you would like to make public
43:56 comment or you can send me an
44:04 email well it's nice to be back um I was
44:08 gone for a few months but uh from the
44:10 board but I'm thr to be back and I'll be
44:13 joining y'all uh moving forward um so
44:16 tonight uh I get to to join y'all to
44:19 talk about the
44:20 20122 greenhouse gas inventory
44:23 report um throughout the presentation uh
44:28 I would say feel free to ask questions
44:31 as we go um there's a lot of details a
44:34 lot of numbers and a lot of um uh really
44:37 specific items that we can dig into so
44:40 um recognizing we're going to cover a
44:43 lot uh feel free to ask questions as we
44:45 go and um just flag my attention if I uh
44:50 is any
44:52 questions so uh the goal of the
44:55 presentation today is to share the
44:57 results of our 2022 CommunityWide and
45:00 government operations greenhouse gas
45:03 inventory um as well as to seek uh
45:06 recommendations from the environmental
45:08 board on how staff uh should best bring
45:12 this material to uh city council um we
45:15 are scheduled to go before City Council
45:17 in early February to present this
45:19 information um and we would love some
45:22 feedback and um recommendations on uh
45:25 Focus
45:26 and um ways to to best present this
45:31 information so as a quick background on
45:35 greenhouse gas inventories uh they're
45:37 generally used to calculate quantify and
45:40 assess uh Community Associated and
45:42 government Associated greenhouse gas
45:44 emissions uh and their sources they've
45:47 been around for a long time um however
45:50 the methodology continues to change and
45:52 evolve over over time as we learn more
45:55 about our emissions as we learn more
45:58 about how to track different sources of
46:01 emissions and how to um uh apply
46:04 emissions to different uh communities so
46:08 they've been around for a little while
46:10 we have completed uh We've we completed
46:13 our 2022 greenhouse gas inventory to
46:16 determine our current sources of
46:18 greenhouse gas emissions um as a point
46:20 in time understanding of where our
46:22 emissions are really coming
46:24 from uh as well as review some Trends
46:27 around where uh how we're doing compared
46:31 to previous years um around some of our
46:34 emissions to help identify policies
46:37 programs um uh and actions that we can
46:42 take to uh address our greenhouse gas
46:46 emissions
46:48 so just kind of highlighting some
46:52 items knowing that we've done greenhouse
46:54 gas inventories for for a while um and
46:57 these have been done uh across the
47:00 International Community there are a few
47:02 things that we knew going into this
47:04 right we knew that some of the largest
47:06 sources of greenhouse gas emissions come
47:08 from our built environment and they come
47:10 from transportation and you'll see uh
47:13 through the results that that is what
47:15 our emissions inventory has shown so our
47:18 our inventory from 2022 provides us a
47:21 lot of specific information that we can
47:23 run with um but luckily in a lot of ways
47:26 we're not starting from um zero here and
47:30 we already have some programs in place
47:32 and we're already kind of thinking about
47:33 how we can best address uh emissions
47:35 from some of these
47:37 sources I also have a picture there's
47:39 emissions associated with our Solid
47:40 Waste Disposal there's emissions
47:42 associated with refrigerant use and um
47:46 losses of emissions from um transporting
47:49 energy from place to place so there's a
47:51 a whole um complex set of how we uh
47:55 think about those emissions we can go
47:58 into any more detail on uh the specifics
48:01 of how emissions inventories are done um
48:04 as uh as
48:08 necessary so the 2022 greenhouse gas
48:11 inventory process uh we partnered with
48:14 uh we joined the uh we did this in
48:18 partnership with the Eide climate
48:19 partnership cities of Belleview Redmond
48:21 Kirkland and Mercer Island uh we wanted
48:24 to do a regional ventory uh efforts to
48:27 make sure that each of our City's
48:29 inventories were aligned in their
48:30 methodology to make sure that um we
48:33 could uh work through this process
48:36 together and then also uh ideally to um
48:40 find efficiencies in scale working
48:42 together we could uh improve uh the
48:45 process and hopefully reduce cost to
48:46 doing these inventories for us at the
48:48 city we contracted with Cascadia
48:51 Consulting between July and December
48:53 2023 to do this inventory
48:56 um and Cascadia Consulting uh has done a
48:59 lot of inventories including uh the 2020
49:03 2019 uh Regional inventory for King
49:07 County the inventories were completed in
49:10 compliance with iiy best practices for
49:13 CommunityWide and government operations
49:15 inventories and iiy local governments
49:17 for sustainability is um a a great
49:21 organization that has some uh tools uh
49:25 that can help you um do the the
49:27 emissions calculations um and generally
49:30 is is well respected as a good standard
49:32 for these missions
49:35 inventories the results of the 2022
49:38 greenhouse gas inventory represent both
49:40 the fifth CommunityWide greenhouse gas
49:42 inventory that the city has done as well
49:44 as the first uh ever government
49:46 operations
49:47 inventory and it directly Associates
49:50 with icap action uh 2.1 I wrote
49:54 completed on this although this is you
49:57 know an ongoing process this is we're
49:59 going to be doing more greenhouse gas
50:00 inventories as we move forward to
50:02 continue to track where we're at uh and
50:04 the impacts of our
50:09 actions so diving into the results uh
50:13 this is a pie chart of our uh
50:15 CommunityWide greenhouse gas
50:18 emissions um and what we can really see
50:22 here in the orange yellow uh is the
50:28 that's the the biggest source of our
50:29 emissions and that is our uh built
50:32 environment then the purple is our
50:35 transportation
50:37 emissions and these emissions are
50:40 roughly in line with uh the the percent
50:44 of our emissions that come from the
50:45 built environment and from
50:47 Transportation um as our largest sources
50:49 really is in line with uh previous
50:51 inventories 2019 and 17 yeah just a
50:54 quick question so this is isqua specific
50:56 or is it all the partnership specific so
50:59 this is isqua specific
51:01 yes yeah so each City worked together to
51:05 develop the inventories but each City
51:06 got their own
51:07 inventory so um one of the benefits of
51:11 that is that we can compare ourselves to
51:14 our uh uh our neighboring cities and so
51:18 we have the equivalent of 10.5 metric
51:21 tons of carbon uh CO2 equivalent
51:24 emissions per capita uh and that is
51:27 roughly in line with other cities it's a
51:29 little bit higher than a few cities and
51:31 a little bit lower than others um but
51:33 they're all it's all roughly in that
51:35 that
51:36 area and again our largest uh emission
51:39 sources are from the built environment
51:40 and
51:41 transportation um with uh still a
51:44 significant amount from refrigerants and
51:46 landfill and the refrigerants number has
51:48 been increasing a little bit I would
51:50 note and um that uh might be from better
51:55 tracking tools and better um ability to
51:59 measure that so there's a little bit of
52:03 um we still need to be diving into that
52:05 a little bit more but again this does
52:08 highlight that our our uh focus is
52:10 really on that electricity that natural
52:12 gas and um Vehicles as well um so
52:16 there's a few questions here so the
52:18 program which was used by cdia
52:20 Consulting uh equally right so that is
52:23 that a standard industry practice
52:26 nationally or is it more local yeah so
52:29 iiy is an organization that has this
52:31 tool called clear path and clear path is
52:35 a national and I think even
52:36 internationally used tool right I think
52:38 CDP has produced it okay um C I'm not
52:42 familiar with CDP but it is um it's a
52:45 generally accepted tool internationally
52:48 to do a lot of these greenhouse gas
52:50 inventories and so for this particular
52:52 analysis right I'm guessing you just
52:54 provided the them the raw data or
52:56 whatever numbers you had and then they
53:00 played with it essentially right and
53:02 then they gave you this analysis so is
53:05 there a margin of error or you know um
53:08 like how accurate is the data I mean
53:10 this looks great the goals are pretty
53:14 you know impressive you know trying to
53:16 cut down 50% and this is good and I'm
53:18 pretty sure we are making an effort but
53:21 I when I look at this chart I always
53:23 wonder you know what is really the
53:25 margin of or accuracy of the data yeah
53:28 so I would say uh so the way Cascadia
53:31 was able to do this um we actually only
53:33 really provided uh the municipal
53:36 operations the government operations
53:38 data the CommunityWide data Cascadia
53:41 Consulting used a number of different uh
53:44 tools and methods uh that are done that
53:47 are created at National Regional local
53:51 levels so for
53:52 instance um for electricity data they
53:55 were able to go to psse and get
53:58 information on the emission sources or
54:02 the the carbon intensity of the
54:04 electricity of um Puget Sound Energy's
54:07 electric mix they were able to get an
54:10 understanding of how much natural gas is
54:11 actually going to the different
54:13 communities when you get to things like
54:15 on-road Vehicles public transit those
54:18 are more um there are a number of
54:21 different models that can help uh a city
54:24 or region understands uh what the
54:28 emissions are so for our vehicles
54:30 on-road vehicles uh Cascade used the
54:33 Puget Sound Regional Council uh model
54:37 which is built off of a number of
54:39 different models and and inputs that go
54:41 into that that kind of spits out a a
54:44 vehicle miles travels amount for our
54:47 city so some of the data is a little bit
54:51 more specific than others and some of
54:53 the data there's a number of these
54:54 different
54:55 um models that have been put together
54:58 and embeded and tried and uh in many
55:01 iterations to kind of figure out what's
55:03 the best way to to measure some of this
55:07 and that's kind of one of the items that
55:09 I alluded to with methodology changing
55:11 right so you know the psrc pugan
55:14 Regional Council VMT model is the best
55:17 model we currently have but that model
55:19 could be improved as time goes on as we
55:21 figure out how to better track um
55:24 vehicle emission right um so those
55:27 methods will continue to change as we
55:30 figure that out does that help answer
55:32 the question
55:34 thanks we do have question
55:39 wonderful hey thanks great work David
55:43 and um so I also am wondering how they
55:48 got the vehicle miles traveled uh data
55:53 and it's just for people living in isqua
55:56 correct not people who drive through I
55:58 believe it actually does include folks
56:00 who come through on I90 and and come
56:03 through the city so those are emissions
56:05 within the city of isqua I see okay and
56:08 I I will confirm that but I I believe
56:11 that's the case so maybe they're
56:13 counting Vehicles over a certain period
56:16 of time then as they go
56:19 through that include the emissions
56:21 associated with the vehicle miles travel
56:24 that come through the city of Miss or
56:26 that that occur within the city of Miss
56:28 I think Ann's asking is there a direct
56:30 measurement or is it all based on the
56:31 model oh I apologize yes so it's all
56:35 based on for for the CommunityWide it is
56:37 all based on the model as we get to you
56:39 know our own government operations
56:41 inventory you'll see we have specific
56:43 numbers there but um these this is all
56:46 based on the
56:48 model cool uh and so I know this is not
56:53 the full report um
56:55 and it would be kind of fun to see the
56:57 full report is that something that you
56:59 guys are allowed to share out or is it
57:02 confidential it is not confidential um
57:06 attached to the board packet I believe
57:12 um was the report that we've developed
57:14 so far um so we can continue to to build
57:17 on that um as we would like um but that
57:22 report does include um the data that we
57:24 have
57:25 okay cool I must have missed that
57:28 link awesome thank you so much sure that
57:31 you have it at the end of this
57:34 meeting cool and I have one more thing
57:36 to say but I can wait until we get to
57:37 that part if that works better
57:42 sure you
57:44 think like because we're not basing
57:46 anything on Direct measurement I'm
57:48 guessing not only for VMT but also for
57:50 the like the like the I even know the
57:53 carbon intensity of those miles traveled
57:56 is that also based on a
57:58 Model I believe that also goes into the
58:01 model um there's
58:06 model my understanding is that the
58:09 output from the model helps understand
58:11 vehicle miles traveled and then the in
58:15 the entry into clear path they use
58:18 um percent understandings of different
58:22 types of vehicles that are on the road
58:24 in carbon in densities of is that miles
58:27 is that General like types of vehicles
58:30 or how how are they for isqua versus
58:32 Kirkland is there any differentiate are
58:34 they just using the same assumptions
58:36 within the the communities I believe
58:38 it's regional here for ISO there is a
58:41 specific model that's more specific for
58:44 Kirkland bellw and Rond so for those
58:48 three cities cascad was able to use a
58:50 much more specific model ours is more
58:52 Regional yeah I guess I guess my con
58:54 concern here is that BMT anything that's
58:58 based on a Model our our actual Behavior
59:00 change won't necessarily be captured by
59:03 that model because like we're not
59:05 directly measuring difference in vehicle
59:08 miles travel is my understanding of the
59:10 methodology here so if we like if isquad
59:13 does something different than Kirkland
59:15 that does something different than
59:16 Redmond we're all just kind of getting
59:17 averag into the same model so it's very
59:20 difficult to discern like what actual
59:22 changes are occurring because you're
59:23 only
59:25 a basis in a model and no direct
59:27 measurement means that you can't
59:29 actually tell whether there's been a
59:31 change um so that that's my that's one
59:33 of my concerns I think the other
59:35 similarly on the types of vehicles like
59:37 a great example being like if we can
59:40 successfully Drive adoption of EVS is
59:42 that going to be factored into future
59:44 updates because it doesn't seem like our
59:46 actual Isa specific vehicle mix has been
59:49 directly measured and applied into the
59:51 model so I'm just worried that like some
59:52 of the biggest inputs for the model or
59:55 for the for our pie chart here aren't
59:59 actually being directly measured and
1:00:00 like are going to be difficult to
1:00:02 actually show whether we're making
1:00:04 progress against because they're all
1:00:06 model based so I think that's maybe
1:00:10 separate from the results here but that
1:00:12 that that's one concern based on how
1:00:14 this is being described um and I don't
1:00:16 know if on the electric electricity
1:00:19 natural gas are we
1:00:20 using actual usage for within the city I
1:00:26 believe PSC did provide actual usage for
1:00:29 U Broken Out by cities okay so it seems
1:00:31 like that onroad Vehicles is the main
1:00:34 section that
1:00:35 has kind of an indirect measurement so
1:00:39 yeah just something to keep in mind I do
1:00:40 think that that feels like it's going to
1:00:42 be difficult to measure change or like
1:00:45 how isqua might perform
1:00:48 um so yeah I think that's a great point
1:00:51 and um that is something that we can I
1:00:55 can get more detail on that
1:00:57 specific petown Regional Council model
1:01:00 to provide if that's helpful and then
1:01:02 also just thinking about you know moving
1:01:05 forward as we address this um my hope
1:01:08 would be we develop better models and
1:01:11 systems for being able to better uh
1:01:15 actually uh understand what's happening
1:01:18 more locally this is fairly Regional so
1:01:21 or or this is fairly localized to the
1:01:24 region so it does reflect pretty well
1:01:27 what's actually going on here in isqua
1:01:29 since yes we're doing things a little
1:01:31 different than our neighboring cities
1:01:33 but you know EV adoption in ISO is not
1:01:35 going to be dramatically different than
1:01:37 than our neighboring cities for instance
1:01:39 so um I would say I have okay confidence
1:01:43 in in that model for for where we're at
1:01:46 at least in the
1:01:47 methodology build on what Jamie's saying
1:01:51 so the only thing we really have control
1:01:53 over that we can show that we're making
1:01:55 a difference is our electricity and
1:01:57 natur natural gas because we're rolled
1:02:00 in on the vehicle piece with other
1:02:02 communities and it's not actually
1:02:04 measuring trucks driving through here
1:02:07 and other things and so really the only
1:02:10 Greenhouse emissions that we can
1:02:12 potentially show in the community that
1:02:14 we are improving
1:02:16 on is our built environment use not
1:02:21 necessarily the vehicles because we're
1:02:22 averaged we're in with everyone else and
1:02:25 I guess my comment is that really needs
1:02:27 to show up in the presentation as a
1:02:29 specific item or a specific slide
1:02:32 because I suspect that if we measure
1:02:35 this in five years our on our vehicle
1:02:38 use won't change much because we're in
1:02:40 an average with other communities so we
1:02:43 really should be tracking what we're
1:02:45 doing on the electricity
1:02:48 natured just a suggestion to add another
1:02:51 slide to at least clarify that so people
1:02:53 see that yeah I can I can look to to do
1:02:57 that and I would clarify that the
1:03:00 vehicle model is specific to is or the
1:03:04 the model is a regional model the
1:03:06 numbers here are specific for isqua
1:03:09 based on geography and where the what
1:03:12 the vehicle miles are within our
1:03:14 geography how many are EVs and how many
1:03:17 of them are gas power you know I don't
1:03:20 think you're seeing
1:03:22 that you made it to first traffic yes
1:03:26 you get all these
1:03:28 questions I would encourage you to
1:03:31 understand the
1:03:32 model in detail and be prepared to
1:03:35 explain it up front you might even want
1:03:37 to have a slide right off the Geto
1:03:39 here's the model here's how it works
1:03:40 here's how here's the region that it
1:03:42 looks at here's how they analyze things
1:03:45 um you put this in house get the same
1:03:48 question here they're going to tear this
1:03:50 down until they understand the model
1:03:52 behind this um and then like the the
1:03:55 vehicles for instance I me I'm really
1:03:57 curious how much of that 37% is I90
1:04:01 versus vehicles that are running around
1:04:03 in town what can we change what is effed
1:04:07 out there and then on even on the
1:04:08 electricity and natural gas I'm not
1:04:10 convinced that that is specific for
1:04:12 isqua I think that's an average from PSC
1:04:16 on average kilowatts
1:04:18 used times the number of homes times the
1:04:21 number I don't
1:04:24 I I really want to better understand
1:04:28 sure David just one more comment also
1:04:31 the refrigerant data also here might be
1:04:34 kind of generic because I'm guessing
1:04:37 they might have just calculated you know
1:04:39 the input and output based on the
1:04:43 refrigeration model assuming you know in
1:04:46 each household or something um my that's
1:04:50 just my guess based on the ghg
1:04:52 accounting which I have done previously
1:04:55 unless you have specific data for the
1:04:58 refrigerator for each household you know
1:05:01 beginning versus the end period um you
1:05:04 can use the type of the refrigerator you
1:05:06 have and you basically spit out based on
1:05:09 the model what the numbers are so they
1:05:11 might not be accurate as well um to an's
1:05:15 comment I did look at the report which
1:05:17 was attach with the email and I was
1:05:20 curious to see actually the raw data and
1:05:22 again if if you are able to share it
1:05:24 with us I was just curious how the model
1:05:26 was handling the raw data um and I
1:05:29 didn't see any raw data means I did see
1:05:31 some tables and charts but again you
1:05:34 know this is what I was also interested
1:05:36 so if you can share it um and if you
1:05:39 don't have time if you can just share it
1:05:40 in email if it's possible I just would
1:05:43 like to look at it as well yeah as as we
1:05:46 have time at the end I'm happy I have a
1:05:47 number of different data and not just
1:05:50 today I'm just asking if whenever if you
1:05:52 are okay to share it L
1:05:56 sure on the note of what Don was saying
1:05:59 I do think one thing to think about is
1:06:02 is this the right first slide like to
1:06:07 the the SEC the next slide or maybe it's
1:06:11 two slides from now like I think the
1:06:13 punchline of like where our missions
1:06:15 going might be the right first slide and
1:06:17 then I do like one of the things that I
1:06:20 struggle with all of the slides put
1:06:22 together is like and sent you a few
1:06:24 notes on this it's just like how are we
1:06:26 doing and where are the where are we
1:06:29 seeing changes and I think what Don
1:06:31 mentioned around how is that in the
1:06:34 addressable portion of emissions versus
1:06:36 the not addressable part is really what
1:06:38 I like it in my mind the progression is
1:06:41 what is overall what are overall
1:06:43 missions doing what are the categories
1:06:45 there within those categories what's
1:06:47 addressable then what is the trend in
1:06:49 the addressable emissions within those
1:06:52 categories is I I think what based on
1:06:56 some of your responses which were very
1:06:57 helpful it seems like our actually like
1:07:01 isqua impacted direct like emissions are
1:07:06 are not not where the decreas is coming
1:07:08 from most of the decrease is coming from
1:07:10 changes in PS the carbon intensity of
1:07:13 the electricity makes so that would be
1:07:17 super like that to me is really really
1:07:20 important to understand that like all of
1:07:23 the decreases we're seeing or a very
1:07:24 large portion of the decrease we're
1:07:26 seeing is related to psse changes we're
1:07:29 still and of course this is like
1:07:32 basically we didn't have a IAP for most
1:07:34 of like leadup to this so wouldn't
1:07:36 expect it necessarily but I think that's
1:07:38 a good like that's a baseline that
1:07:40 people need to understand like that's
1:07:42 the punchline that I think people need
1:07:43 to understand it's really hard to get
1:07:45 out of the current presentation so those
1:07:48 are some ideas on how you might
1:07:50 structure this differently and I I know
1:07:52 the addressable part is probably not
1:07:55 might not have been a part of how cascad
1:07:57 approached as I do think it's an
1:07:58 important consideration as think about
1:08:01 the like the update of IAP as well like
1:08:04 we ultimately need to be able to like
1:08:06 the most important thing we can do is
1:08:07 measure the things that we can actually
1:08:08 impact like obviously we want to know
1:08:10 the overall story but like how are we
1:08:12 doing on the things that we can actually
1:08:13 impact it there's some way it might be
1:08:16 already in what they've done to pull
1:08:19 that out and and kind of give some light
1:08:21 to that that would be super super
1:08:23 helpful because I think right now it's
1:08:25 good that the missions went down but
1:08:27 it's like challenging to understand why
1:08:30 and the how are we doing question um
1:08:33 like as it relates to what what we're
1:08:34 trying to do here which is reduce within
1:08:37 isqua's controllable things what
1:08:45 can yeah I think there's a lot we can do
1:08:48 to dig more into the um methodology and
1:08:51 models and share that information I just
1:08:54 do want the board to think about that
1:08:56 the greenhouse gas inventories they are
1:08:59 not in exact science they're based on
1:09:01 what is available at the time we were
1:09:03 getting data up till we're still waiting
1:09:05 on a little bit of data it takes a long
1:09:07 time for some of that data to be
1:09:09 generated um and as David um presents in
1:09:13 the materials and we'll talk about more
1:09:15 they're also based on the best of
1:09:16 methodology at the time those
1:09:18 methodologies continue to
1:09:20 improve um and so it's really meant to
1:09:23 be kind of a snapshot in time of where
1:09:26 are we uh with all those assumptions and
1:09:28 the best available information at the
1:09:30 time and so really looking at those
1:09:32 Trends coming away with that punchline
1:09:35 how have we changed since the the last
1:09:37 few years um and does that direct us to
1:09:41 maybe take some different action but
1:09:43 just thinking of that as kind of that
1:09:44 snapshot in time definitely not an exact
1:09:47 science so just encourage you all to
1:09:49 think of it in that way um I just did
1:09:52 want to mention too we talk someone
1:09:54 today that um does inventories using a
1:09:56 different um using different models for
1:09:59 some of these factors and while there
1:10:01 were some slight
1:10:02 differences the most part in alignment
1:10:05 with the findings of this inventory so
1:10:07 that was a good kind of gut check that
1:10:09 this is at least on the right
1:10:11 track so I do also think it is valuable
1:10:15 to point out that this is this is really
1:10:18 looking at what is our emissions
1:10:20 CommunityWide and um I believe in
1:10:23 comment that an had uh emailed in right
1:10:27 addressing these emissions is that
1:10:29 Patchwork of State efforts clean energy
1:10:32 transformation act and climate
1:10:34 commitment act which um there's some
1:10:37 threats to this year um it's that
1:10:39 Federal action and it's that local
1:10:41 action right so this is mainly just
1:10:43 looking at where are we at here in the
1:10:45 community and this is also recognizing
1:10:47 that to address all of these emissions
1:10:50 there's a lot that the city can do and
1:10:52 there's a lot that the city can't do to
1:10:54 address some of these emissions and it
1:10:55 is going to be that that big effort
1:10:59 right two two other quick thoughts
1:11:02 um one since a lot of this is based on
1:11:05 which I totally understand there's
1:11:06 limits on what can be done and like
1:11:08 there's gonna have to be some Reliance
1:11:09 on the model one great thing about a
1:11:12 model is you know when you change inputs
1:11:13 in a model what those outputs are and so
1:11:15 something that I would be really
1:11:17 interested in
1:11:18 Cascadia like creating or basically an
1:11:21 output of this being is like if you
1:11:24 change mix of vehicles by this like
1:11:26 basically what are the things that would
1:11:27 really move the needle like that seems
1:11:29 like an output that could come from
1:11:31 their model uh from these different
1:11:33 areas like are there ways that we can
1:11:35 understand if x resident switch to this
1:11:39 like this much impact would result like
1:11:42 those types of things would be really
1:11:43 helpful to like qu like these big huge
1:11:46 numbers like what what can actually
1:11:48 change like what are the things that
1:11:49 will actually move the needle um that
1:11:52 would be that be super super helpful to
1:11:56 kind of I don't think necessar for for
1:11:59 the the commun for the uh for the
1:12:01 council but for the community would
1:12:02 really help to start like drive home how
1:12:05 how can they actually make meaningful
1:12:07 impacts um on this and then what was it
1:12:12 thing maybe it'll come back to me
1:12:16 um maybe I'll we got a lot of slides
1:12:19 cover so don't worry please respond to
1:12:22 that first suggestion um I don't think
1:12:24 that's going to be part of the work
1:12:26 they're doing with this but we are in
1:12:28 discussions with Consultants about as a
1:12:31 next phase doing uh somewhat of an
1:12:33 economic analysis is what is the local
1:12:36 investment and on what actions needed to
1:12:39 move the needle given the state and
1:12:41 federal policies that are in place so I
1:12:43 think get somewhat at your question so
1:12:45 we're hoping to do that this spring in
1:12:47 time for all the city um budget updates
1:12:50 and requests so I'll let you know if
1:12:52 that moves forward and a great
1:12:53 discussion oh I don't know if this was
1:12:55 it but this was maybe a different thing
1:12:57 one thing that isn't in the presentation
1:12:58 currently that would be helpful
1:13:00 is 2017 2019 2022 all in relation to our
1:13:05 icap goals and that graph that we have
1:13:07 in IAP just to see like it's it's still
1:13:11 early but like where are we within that
1:13:14 context
1:13:15 sh but if you're talking about that you
1:13:17 should also talk about growth in the
1:13:19 community like how much growth has
1:13:21 happened between 2017 2019 and 2022 you
1:13:25 know both business and
1:13:28 um not and it's not just in the city but
1:13:31 it's also in the region because we know
1:13:33 many of the facilities people in South
1:13:38 County dve through yes that's missing
1:13:42 from this presentation overall is
1:13:45 popular it hasn't been
1:13:47 stagnant yes and I think um that gets
1:13:51 to a challenge had and this is very good
1:13:54 feedback and thinking about out of all
1:13:56 of the data that I could present what is
1:13:58 the the good pieces to bring out right
1:14:01 so for instance in moving ahead right so
1:14:04 this is our inventory uh 2017 through
1:14:08 2022 um looking at some of those Trends
1:14:11 the reason I'm showing 2017 2019 and
1:14:13 2022 is because these are the three
1:14:15 inventory years that use the same
1:14:18 methodology one of the things that uh
1:14:21 you could notice from this is it does go
1:14:23 down it's a uh
1:14:26 177% well that's the next side but it's
1:14:28 a 17% per capita reduction greenhouse
1:14:32 gas emissions and a 10% overall
1:14:34 reduction and one of the when you look
1:14:37 at the the specific data that comes out
1:14:39 of a lot of this um the thms of natural
1:14:43 gas use the kilowatt hours for
1:14:46 electricity actually stays fairly
1:14:49 similar between those three years and
1:14:52 the per capita amount does decrease a
1:14:54 little bit right so even though uh the
1:14:57 emissions then aren't going down by
1:15:00 Leaps and Bounds the per capita
1:15:02 emissions is improving a little bit
1:15:04 better than overall emissions however
1:15:06 the biggest reduction in greenhouse gas
1:15:09 emissions over this uh five year time do
1:15:13 come from reductions in the carbon int
1:15:15 or improvements in the carbon intensity
1:15:18 of the psse electric so when you see
1:15:21 where these improvements coming from
1:15:24 it's reductions in emissions from
1:15:25 commercial electricity use residential
1:15:28 electricity use and Industrial Electric
1:15:30 use is that from better technology that
1:15:33 you're done I believe it's from changing
1:15:36 out their fuel
1:15:39 sources so David another thing is isn't
1:15:42 Co should be one of the things which
1:15:44 should reduce the G uh you know
1:15:47 emissions in this means this graph has
1:15:50 to be moved because of the co right
1:15:53 means or have you considered or is there
1:15:56 a consideration of covid data you know
1:15:59 because of the how much the J emissions
1:16:02 were reduced or anything I'm guessing
1:16:04 it's not considered this it just the
1:16:06 bulk data used to produce this graph is
1:16:08 that right so this data shows the data
1:16:11 from the greenhouse gas inventory years
1:16:12 we conducted and so 2019 and 2022 kind
1:16:15 of are are the ones that bookmark around
1:16:18 Co um I think one way that Co does show
1:16:21 up in this graph is there is a raw
1:16:23 reduction in vehicle miles travel based
1:16:25 on the models for the city of isqua in
1:16:29 2022 my understanding and in talking
1:16:32 with folks who've been doing these
1:16:34 inventories uh
1:16:35 nationally that is expected to actually
1:16:38 that reduction might be leftover impacts
1:16:41 from covid-19 and while there are still
1:16:43 folks working from home um and that has
1:16:47 changed it wouldn't be surprising when
1:16:49 we do the next greenhouse gas inventory
1:16:52 to actually see an Inc increase in BM
1:16:54 again as people continue to thrive out
1:16:58 in the world right um so I think that's
1:17:02 a good example of where we can make an
1:17:05 assumption within the data that that the
1:17:07 reduction in BMT is probably prob Co
1:17:11 still and just to let you know you know
1:17:14 mean I think you guys are doing awesome
1:17:16 this is a great you know effort and just
1:17:20 to add you know even though you're
1:17:21 getting some so many question or what we
1:17:23 are asking I know how complicated the G
1:17:26 accounting gets as Stacy put it it's not
1:17:30 just that it's not science you are
1:17:31 trying to do a quantitative assessment
1:17:34 by using some qualitative data in a lot
1:17:37 of circumstances where there are
1:17:39 assumption so you know do the best you
1:17:42 can and try to get to the quantitative
1:17:44 site and that's when you know I'm saying
1:17:46 the margin of error or your assumptions
1:17:50 that language needs to be put somewhere
1:17:51 or it needs to be clear clear on your
1:17:54 graphs or the reports you might be able
1:17:56 to get a better language on that from
1:18:00 Cascadia Consulting themselves when they
1:18:02 are using the which would be worth
1:18:04 putting somewhere in the report because
1:18:06 this is a huge undertaking and I can say
1:18:09 that from personal experience I've done
1:18:11 it for on smaller scale and based on the
1:18:14 model use you use or the type of tool
1:18:17 you use you can get different results or
1:18:19 based on the data or the assumptions
1:18:21 slight change can make a difference so
1:18:24 you know there is a lot of margin of
1:18:25 error if there is a slight change so you
1:18:28 need to have that specified somewhere in
1:18:30 the report that's just yeah no I
1:18:33 appreciate that and I can reach out to
1:18:34 Cascada to see if they have a specific
1:18:36 margin of eror that's you getting so
1:18:38 many questions as well because you know
1:18:41 it's it's not an exact science or it's
1:18:43 not just quantitative data no and and we
1:18:46 anticipated lots of questions there is
1:18:48 this is very
1:18:49 complex topic and we know it's a a high
1:18:53 interest so thank you definitely was
1:18:54 expecting many questions here just quick
1:18:57 note on
1:18:59 that they focuses really well on like
1:19:02 what would the feedback be for for you
1:19:04 for the for next steps I do
1:19:07 think the statement of facts of like
1:19:09 what is the content like before the
1:19:12 slides of like what the graphs are doing
1:19:14 this like not only the model but also
1:19:16 some of the context you're providing to
1:19:17 us now around like the impacts of covid
1:19:21 the electrical G changes
1:19:23 all of that as a like as context going
1:19:26 into when someone sees numbers because
1:19:28 as soon as people see numbers their eyes
1:19:30 go they they go brains go red everything
1:19:33 so I think the more you can do to set
1:19:34 the stage of like what is the context
1:19:36 here before you show even any specific
1:19:39 numbers what is the context population
1:19:42 of a squad went up by X this was this is
1:19:45 an impact the the impact of of covid on
1:19:48 on driving is this amount of like not
1:19:52 you don't have to quantify but like this
1:19:53 is an impact what are those things that
1:19:55 like someone coming into this C needs as
1:19:59 context would be maybe the first slide
1:20:01 like one of the earlier slides before
1:20:03 any specific
1:20:06 numbers
1:20:09 recommendation Dixie goad I I I have a
1:20:12 clarifying question and maybe it's in
1:20:14 here I'm looking at it again to see if I
1:20:15 missed it but um you're presenting
1:20:19 data um but what is the what are what
1:20:23 are we trying to get the council to do
1:20:27 with this data and I think maybe that is
1:20:30 also a good place like if I'm presenting
1:20:32 new information to people that I haven't
1:20:35 given information to i' like to start
1:20:37 with what am I hoping that they because
1:20:40 I think we have we have an agenda
1:20:41 obviously um so we want them to go with
1:20:46 agenda um you know and so what does that
1:20:49 look like in presenting the data so that
1:20:50 they're led to go wow this is important
1:20:52 and we need to do I you know I guess and
1:20:55 maybe it's in here like I said I I may
1:20:57 have missed it but um like what is the
1:21:00 goal of the presentation to the council
1:21:04 yeah that's a that's a great question
1:21:06 and I I would probably say the goal for
1:21:08 the presentation to council is really to
1:21:11 one give them a just raw what is the
1:21:14 update on our CommunityWide and then our
1:21:17 government operations greenhouse gas
1:21:18 inventory right as we're thinking about
1:21:21 implementing our cap our functional plan
1:21:24 there um that's kind of data that
1:21:26 Council needs to see I think the other
1:21:29 piece of this and this comes out a
1:21:32 little bit later on in the presentation
1:21:33 is where do we then focus our efforts at
1:21:37 the city right and I think one of the
1:21:39 pieces that this uh inventory results
1:21:44 really highlights is that the focus to
1:21:48 to reach our IAP targets and our IAP
1:21:51 goals we really need to continue
1:21:52 continue to focus um and maybe
1:21:54 prioritize Focus within uh reducing
1:21:57 emissions from our built environment and
1:21:59 then from Transportation our two largest
1:22:01 sources of greenhouse gas emissions if
1:22:03 we want any hope of reaching those
1:22:05 targets right um and so I think that's a
1:22:09 good method of thinking about what is it
1:22:11 going to really take for us to to get
1:22:14 these emissions reductions and then
1:22:15 where where are we going to have to
1:22:17 focus at the
1:22:23 just one quick question and and did you
1:22:25 I saw you were had your hand raised did
1:22:27 you have something to say
1:22:30 or up now but
1:22:33 I I think can you hear
1:22:35 me okay I think um David and Dixie
1:22:40 addressed what I was going to say which
1:22:43 is basically
1:22:45 um we want the city council to continue
1:22:49 to support our climate change efforts um
1:22:54 and so
1:22:56 possibly we need to amp up our um
1:23:00 communication on the solutions and how
1:23:03 we will need you know these are these
1:23:04 are what we can do to um get to a better
1:23:08 report next time because we clearly need
1:23:10 to continue to do better um
1:23:16 and we're going to need support from
1:23:18 city council and maybe it would be
1:23:20 helpful for them
1:23:23 if we can before the report be before um
1:23:26 February to
1:23:28 enumerate
1:23:30 um where we might need some
1:23:37 funds just one quick point that might be
1:23:39 interesting might be able to capture in
1:23:41 the vehicle
1:23:42 emissions curious how much there's a
1:23:44 slight reduction there between 17 and 22
1:23:47 I'm curious how much of that is the sale
1:23:50 EVS um in 17 EVS w't quite as prevalent
1:23:54 as they are now I think you might be
1:23:55 able to dig that information up in re
1:23:58 wide percentage of EVS being sold kind
1:24:00 of like that yeah I can definitely look
1:24:04 that number up I don't think that
1:24:06 um that is probably good news St yeah
1:24:10 that yeah that would be um something
1:24:12 that could be helpful to to be able to
1:24:15 frame the
1:24:20 conversation any other questions on
1:24:23 CommunityWide Trends the next switch is
1:24:26 going to be on government operations
1:24:28 inventory I do have yes one thing that I
1:24:32 would love to hear included in this is
1:24:38 how this data will be tied back to the
1:24:42 IAP update that one thing that one
1:24:45 frustration I've had with IAP overall um
1:24:48 since Inception is the lack of specific
1:24:51 numbers other than our overall targets
1:24:54 but a lot of the goals don't get into
1:24:55 the specifics of what our goal is for
1:24:57 savings and so I I think one of the
1:25:00 things that if I was Council I'd love to
1:25:01 hear is okay we know these are the
1:25:03 numbers what we're now going to do is
1:25:06 translate them into like apply these
1:25:08 into our update IAP to understand okay
1:25:12 we now know where we need to get these
1:25:14 things we think are going to do this
1:25:15 amount I've seen other climate action
1:25:17 plans that are much more specific on
1:25:19 expected emission reductions and so I
1:25:21 just think that this is a good
1:25:23 opportunity along because we're also
1:25:25 doing that update this year to begin
1:25:27 that conversation I don't know exactly
1:25:29 what that looks like but I think if I
1:25:31 was cancel I would appreciate it if we
1:25:33 went another step of talking about okay
1:25:36 what how are we going to then now use
1:25:37 this data to inform what we're doing
1:25:41 with so I think on that point and and 10
1:25:46 15 slides down the line I mentioned the
1:25:48 IAP update and and midpoint check-in
1:25:50 process so just as a clarification this
1:25:52 year is the the midpoint checkin on the
1:25:54 IAP and the actual midpoint or the
1:25:57 actual IAP update won't happen until
1:25:59 2025 2026 here so one interesting note
1:26:04 on that is if we were able to do another
1:26:08 greenhouse gas inventory in 2024 which
1:26:10 is the the hope would have even more
1:26:12 data to then bring into that actual
1:26:14 update process in 20125 and
1:26:17 2026 um so that is good news hopefully
1:26:21 um the other piece is for some of these
1:26:26 inventories there's the the idea of the
1:26:28 wedge analysis right thinking about what
1:26:30 are the different actions that are going
1:26:31 to take to
1:26:33 reduce uh emissions and and kind of over
1:26:36 that that time span between now and 2025
1:26:40 2050 for instance how do we want
1:26:42 emissions to look like to to get to
1:26:44 those targets um and generally it was
1:26:48 decided among the East Side cities that
1:26:50 participated in this um effort to not do
1:26:53 the wedge for this update um and
1:26:57 probably do that in future updates but
1:27:00 the general idea was that which is I
1:27:02 think roughly what we're what your point
1:27:04 was getting at um I think generally the
1:27:07 idea was that uh we have a wedge
1:27:10 analysis from 2019 as part of the
1:27:12 regional greenhouse gas emissions um
1:27:15 inventory conducted by PSR Rea um and
1:27:19 that that doing that update ated wedge
1:27:22 analysis was going to be a costly
1:27:25 addition to this and wouldn't
1:27:27 necessarily tell us a whole lot new but
1:27:29 that if we were to save at doing that
1:27:31 for later this would help us get that
1:27:34 snapshot in time to continue to be able
1:27:36 to focus and say hey look the built
1:27:38 environment and transportation are still
1:27:40 our biggest sources of emissions and
1:27:42 Emissions reduction is really driven by
1:27:45 the utility and here's what we can do to
1:27:48 to fit into this Patchwork of of efforts
1:27:50 to to meet our goals
1:27:53 does that help a little bit Yeah I think
1:27:58 no I think it does my point was a bit
1:28:00 broader just in as we think about how
1:28:03 numbers come to life in the icap
1:28:06 planning in
1:28:07 general I think looking back that was
1:28:11 and this was feedback that myself and
1:28:13 others had when we originally passed IAP
1:28:15 was that there wasn't enough spec like
1:28:17 specific there were there weren't enough
1:28:19 specific goals and I think the right
1:28:20 time that start having that convers
1:28:22 ation whether we're not going to make
1:28:24 that level of update at this midpoint
1:28:26 update and it's only in 2025 I still
1:28:28 think that's a conversation we should
1:28:29 start having um so that it was a broader
1:28:32 point I think sure I think the wedge
1:28:34 analysis is a great tool as part of that
1:28:36 so I think think it's more of General
1:28:39 conversation I think it would be helpful
1:28:41 to start having absolutely I think
1:28:43 that's a great
1:28:49 point oh an yeah I'll try to be quick so
1:28:53 um what do you think
1:28:56 about saving money and
1:28:59 time uh and having our next analysis be
1:29:05 on in
1:29:07 2026 because in
1:29:09 2026 we will have coal out of our mix
1:29:13 and so our our electrical greenhouse gas
1:29:16 emissions will potentially come way
1:29:20 down um
1:29:22 and in between now and then I think we
1:29:24 know what we need to work on it seems
1:29:26 clear and that could that open up some
1:29:30 more time and energy and money to work
1:29:34 on the real solutions that we know we
1:29:36 need to work
1:29:37 on yeah I think that's a great Point
1:29:40 thinking about just that Cadence of
1:29:41 these greenhouse gas emissions
1:29:43 inventories I think the the model the
1:29:46 East Side City partnership was moving
1:29:49 towards is is looking at doing those
1:29:52 every two years roughly um Belleview
1:29:54 does them every single year because
1:29:56 that's a request by their city council
1:29:59 um we kind of felt like that wasn't
1:30:03 necessary you know the the um emissions
1:30:07 changes on a year-to-year basis aren't
1:30:10 uh necessarily that large and they don't
1:30:13 often change direction of where we're
1:30:15 what efforts we want to do um so I think
1:30:18 you know whether we do it in 2024 2026
1:30:22 that's um something that we can
1:30:24 absolutely consider is kind of what is
1:30:26 that what is the correct Cadence for us
1:30:28 to be doing these these inventories
1:30:30 luckily in partnering with the East Side
1:30:33 cities and this was kind of our first
1:30:35 year doing this in part the greenhouse
1:30:37 gas inventory in partnership with them
1:30:39 hopefully the burden is becomes less the
1:30:43 the effort actually becomes less to do
1:30:45 this on a year a year basis since we
1:30:47 have kind of this ongoing partnership
1:30:49 and contract with cascad to be doing it
1:30:51 so so in theory we should be able to do
1:30:54 these
1:30:55 um with less less effort and investment
1:30:59 City cool do you know what the cost
1:31:03 is just got yeah it
1:31:05 was yeah our portion was about 14,000
1:31:09 and that was for both of the inventories
1:31:11 as well as um they did update the
1:31:16 20 inventory with the new methodology
1:31:19 that was applied in the most recent one
1:31:22 cool so the next one the price may go
1:31:24 down but still like 10 or 14,000 like we
1:31:28 think about that like oh um where else
1:31:32 could that be spent that could actually
1:31:34 help us reduce our
1:31:37 emissions just a thought yeah no it's
1:31:40 great suggestion I think most of the
1:31:43 Cities would prefer to do these less
1:31:44 frequently I think we're trying to
1:31:47 figure out what the right timeline is
1:31:49 for us yeah and that's $144,000 and plus
1:31:52 all the time that you guys spend on
1:31:56 it I think the risk there is if if the
1:31:59 update of IAP is in 2025 and anything
1:32:01 out of the inventory is important to how
1:32:03 we set goals how we understand where we
1:32:06 need to get that 14,000 actually sounds
1:32:09 quite small and it's how we're
1:32:11 allocating hundreds of thousands or
1:32:13 millions of dollars to invest in a plan
1:32:15 so I I would just caution us that we
1:32:18 make sure that that's the right like
1:32:21 that 14 is actually much lower than I
1:32:23 was expecting here and that especially
1:32:25 if we're talking about a plan that's
1:32:26 going to last like a longer term plan I
1:32:29 would be concerned if this was maybe we
1:32:32 said hey this missions analysis isn't
1:32:34 important for that uh that would be one
1:32:36 thing but if this is going to be an
1:32:37 important resource for that that would
1:32:39 be a concern I think well just remember
1:32:42 2026 is only two years away correct yeah
1:32:46 the the Cadence and the
1:32:48 timing reports now is also right ahead
1:32:51 of our budget cycle so that's did
1:32:54 mention that and this will feed into our
1:32:56 conversation with Council about the IAP
1:32:58 midpoint checkin we have the results now
1:33:01 for Budget justification so we would
1:33:04 also have that um next version of the
1:33:07 inventory ahead of the go 27 27 28
1:33:12 budget
1:33:13 so I twoyear cycle keeps your Trend
1:33:17 going and if you're do at 2024
1:33:20 evaluation you're not
1:33:23 yes or late 2025 2026 yeah great
1:33:29 consideration
1:33:32 and jumping into Municipal
1:33:35 operations um so this is our very first
1:33:39 government operations greenhouse gas
1:33:41 inventory this is much based much more
1:33:44 based on um specific data we have right
1:33:48 so we were able to get from Puget Sound
1:33:50 Energy
1:33:52 how much electricity we used for our
1:33:55 government operations in 2022 we were
1:33:59 able to run a report with our fleet team
1:34:02 and figure out how much um gasoline did
1:34:06 we use uh for all of our vehicles right
1:34:10 we were able to input specifically our
1:34:12 specific electric vehicle mix for 20122
1:34:16 which was just one Nan Leaf so that
1:34:18 didn't have a huge
1:34:20 impact
1:34:22 we have that reflected in here
1:34:26 um overall the the government operations
1:34:29 inventory uh represents rough roughly 1%
1:34:32 of our CommunityWide emissions um the
1:34:36 emissions per full-time employee is uh
1:34:40 roughly on even again on par again with
1:34:43 our regional partner cities um we're
1:34:46 again right in the middle between um
1:34:48 bellw Kirkland redent and Mercer Island
1:34:52 um there are a number of different
1:34:54 things to note about this inventory so
1:34:57 for one uh the electricity that's
1:35:00 reported here electricity consumption
1:35:02 here is not fully representative of all
1:35:05 the electricity consumed uh at the city
1:35:09 because 79% of that Municipal
1:35:12 electricity is on the green direct
1:35:14 program which is a direct match for
1:35:16 match electric kilowatt of electricity
1:35:18 use here at the city with renewable
1:35:22 sources uh in western Washington there's
1:35:26 a Wind Facility and a solar facility
1:35:28 that's specifically relate to that and
1:35:30 through long conversations with uh
1:35:32 Cascadia Consulting and fugit Sound
1:35:35 Energy the decision was that this green
1:35:38 direct program was uh a a good match for
1:35:42 uh a good match of electricity use here
1:35:45 with the uh renewable energy development
1:35:48 in uh that we subscribe
1:35:50 to so this is actually the first
1:35:53 government operations inventory that
1:35:55 Cascadia has uh
1:35:57 reflected uh government electricity in
1:36:00 this way so that's important to note and
1:36:04 we are in conversations with Puget Sound
1:36:06 Energy about how we can um address the
1:36:09 rest of our uh electricity with uh
1:36:13 similar freefor
1:36:19 programs buying
1:36:22 electricity
1:36:24 PSC while investing into their green
1:36:28 generation system yeah so there's a
1:36:30 specific program called Green direct
1:36:32 which is what 79% of our Municipal
1:36:35 electricity is on um and essentially we
1:36:37 pay a premium on some of our electricity
1:36:41 the reason it's not 100% is because we
1:36:43 have changed our service levels over the
1:36:46 years and that's kind
1:36:48 of put some of our accounts out Etc but
1:36:53 when we purchase into it they developed
1:36:56 um a solar fa facility in lond and then
1:36:59 a Wind Facility
1:37:01 inum Chuck Washington um and basically
1:37:05 they opened this program up to mainly
1:37:08 Municipal customers and public customers
1:37:12 um and we could buy essentially a
1:37:14 certain number of of shares and connect
1:37:17 a certain number of our accounts with
1:37:19 the expected electri electricity
1:37:21 generation of those renewable
1:37:24 facilities so those the electric gen
1:37:29 we're essentially saying that the
1:37:30 electricity consumed here at the city
1:37:33 through on the accounts that are on the
1:37:35 green direct program that electricity is
1:37:38 coming from those um renewable systems
1:37:42 even though it's not you know one for
1:37:44 one electrons but it is uh that
1:37:46 electricity is only getting accounted
1:37:49 for our city accounts and not being
1:37:52 included in psc's you know greenhouse
1:37:55 gas inventory or you know on on their um
1:37:58 general grid uh how plant clean their
1:38:02 grid is
1:38:04 ETC does that help get a certification
1:38:07 for those credits so a document that
1:38:14 double I consider because I think that's
1:38:16 different than the residential like
1:38:18 green power and choice like I assumed it
1:38:21 was that this is actually better than
1:38:23 what I yes you might just mention that
1:38:25 because I think that's a better than
1:38:28 most people won't know that does is yeah
1:38:30 so this is one I think just like little
1:38:32 details here right the green direct
1:38:34 program is better than the green power
1:38:36 program the green direct program is
1:38:38 fully subscribed so if we were to
1:38:39 transition additional electric accounts
1:38:42 onto green purchasing programs it would
1:38:45 be the general uh commercial green power
1:38:48 program which is not as good in that
1:38:50 it's not as local renewable energy uh
1:38:54 Generation Um and the green director
1:38:57 program is fully subscribed and they're
1:38:59 not planning on currently expanding it
1:39:01 so we can't put more accounts on it
1:39:03 unfortunately however we're exploring
1:39:06 what other options look
1:39:08 like so I'm kind of changing subjects so
1:39:11 we done with that last one just before I
1:39:14 move on to different thought proc sure
1:39:16 I'm looking at your final bullet on this
1:39:18 page yeah and I know the city did some
1:39:21 construction projects they hired outside
1:39:23 contractors for such as a water pipeline
1:39:25 up on the hillside up here and stuff
1:39:27 like that are those included in this or
1:39:29 they excluded
1:39:31 from because that City
1:39:34 money that's a good question I believe
1:39:37 they're excluded from this you might
1:39:39 want to know that in your discussion
1:39:40 that Cy capital projects are not
1:39:42 included in this
1:39:50 inventory
1:39:51 yeah so this is specifically vehicle
1:39:54 miles traveled in emissions associated
1:39:56 with city
1:39:58 owns I just think that should be clear
1:40:00 because our operations does include
1:40:02 projects that we're paying
1:40:06 for good
1:40:10 clarification I think one of the other
1:40:11 things I want to point out here is that
1:40:14 you know natural gas is a little over a
1:40:17 quarter of our government operations in
1:40:22 most of that comes from three buildings
1:40:24 right the pool the Public Works complex
1:40:27 and then the community center right and
1:40:30 so one of the other topics that we
1:40:31 brought before the board before was our
1:40:33 Municipal Building Greenhouse no
1:40:36 Municipal Building decarbonization
1:40:38 assessment excuse me um and so there are
1:40:41 going to be different programs that are
1:40:42 specifically looking at how can we take
1:40:45 that natural gas use out of our
1:40:48 facilities right and we're currently
1:40:50 moving forward with a number of
1:40:51 different projects that hopefully are
1:40:53 going to going to help reduce this
1:40:56 number um our largest emissions within
1:41:00 Transportation are our Fleet do come
1:41:03 from law enforcement vehicles and then
1:41:05 the utility and construction maintenance
1:41:06 vehicles are our kind of second tier
1:41:09 there and then the other one I want to
1:41:11 point out is this challenge of employee
1:41:13 commute which is a whole quarter of our
1:41:16 government operations emissions right
1:41:18 and that is uh
1:41:21 that is going to be a hard n to crack as
1:41:23 we think about uh the different ways
1:41:25 that we can uh reduce those emissions we
1:41:28 do have the commute trip ruction program
1:41:30 we've got uh
1:41:31 teleworking we have public transit Etc
1:41:35 but um when we think about where our
1:41:38 Municipal programs can best address our
1:41:41 emissions it's most likely going to be
1:41:42 again in that built environment and
1:41:44 transportation space so electricity
1:41:46 natural gas and then the onroad fleet
1:41:48 and we have a number of different uh
1:41:50 projects in
1:41:51 specific to
1:41:52 that um on page 52 when we talk about
1:41:55 the trip reduction I do think there
1:41:57 should be a mention of remote work Flex
1:41:59 schedules um it's my understanding
1:42:02 from over the years that each department
1:42:05 operated differently and have their own
1:42:07 culture of how they address and what
1:42:09 really needs to happen is a shift in the
1:42:11 administration to promote the things
1:42:13 that we know will actually bring these
1:42:14 numers down right now there is not a
1:42:16 blanket approval for remote work a lot
1:42:20 of employees right it's depending on
1:42:21 which department you're in it's
1:42:23 depending upon um how our city
1:42:25 administrator has decided that he thinks
1:42:27 it should be rather than having a
1:42:29 blanket statement of saying this is
1:42:31 something we support this is community
1:42:33 and we support for our workers right
1:42:35 being able to have flexible hours of
1:42:36 when they're coming in and out also
1:42:39 helps with how much pollution they're
1:42:40 having rather than idle in right there's
1:42:42 a lot of different things that we can do
1:42:44 um and there's a culture shift that I
1:42:46 think needs to be addressed and it kind
1:42:47 of goes back to the things have been
1:42:49 talking about as to
1:42:51 what's the what are we trying to
1:42:53 advocate for with these numbers it's
1:42:55 something that I had coming up time and
1:42:56 time again was well where do we want to
1:42:58 go and where do we expect this needle to
1:43:00 fall and part of that isn't just um it
1:43:03 it's part of it too is a culture that we
1:43:05 need to be say we need to be doing this
1:43:07 differently and we can do this
1:43:08 differently um and I didn't really get
1:43:11 that from this presentation of where we
1:43:13 go what are we hoping to do and this is
1:43:16 a tangible example of something where we
1:43:17 can say we need to have remote work and
1:43:20 flexible work options for
1:43:25 all yeah I appreciate
1:43:28 that I think one positive is that we did
1:43:32 get preliminary numbers back in December
1:43:36 and some of these employee commute um
1:43:39 percent numbers were shared with the
1:43:42 city administrator and helped inform the
1:43:44 continuation of the policy to allow um
1:43:48 remote work for four out of the five
1:43:49 days of the week
1:43:51 so in in that way it has had some
1:43:54 tangible impacts already which is really
1:43:58 wonderful so that's just to be clear
1:44:01 that that 25% is obviously not everyone
1:44:04 sticks to the
1:44:06 policy but so that Stacy might have more
1:44:10 information on the policy specific but
1:44:12 there are definitely departments
1:44:14 especially ones where folks have to come
1:44:16 in to the office to do their job so
1:44:18 there's definitely the variety of
1:44:21 yeah if you work at the permit desk
1:44:26 hard are but there are places to
1:44:31 absolutely departments having more
1:44:33 harmonious culture right and right now
1:44:35 it's very peace yeah we have a um free
1:44:39 charging policy for staff right now a
1:44:41 pilot program too but I think one thing
1:44:44 to consider is we can address our
1:44:48 buildings we can address our Fleet this
1:44:50 is employee commute may become 90% of
1:44:54 our um emissions over time I mean we'll
1:44:57 see the number shrink but that
1:44:58 percentage of it because we have a we
1:45:01 have less control on which vehicles
1:45:04 employees are purchasing or where
1:45:07 they're hired from um where they're
1:45:09 traveling from we'll definitely be
1:45:11 promoting you know the public transit
1:45:13 and all those things but just know it's
1:45:15 just a percentage of our total emissions
1:45:17 and we hope to shrink our buildings and
1:45:19 fleets iFly so something's going to have
1:45:22 to grow in the pie well I mean we can
1:45:25 use lobbying efforts to advocate for
1:45:27 civil servants getting specific
1:45:29 subsidies right I mean there's there's
1:45:31 different things that we can do to help
1:45:32 promote portions of our population
1:45:34 having better access to buying and elect
1:45:37 absolutely yeah there's other things we
1:45:39 could do to within our tools right
1:45:43 absolutely yeah we we want to see our
1:45:45 government operations um reduced just
1:45:48 noting that we're going to see some
1:45:49 shifts in this p as we do you know if we
1:45:52 eliminate essentially that 21% of
1:45:54 electricity because we're able to buy
1:45:56 green power that number will shrink
1:45:58 somewhere else on the pie is going to
1:46:00 have to grow as a percentage of our
1:46:05 emissions question your electricity
1:46:07 natural gas that includes all City
1:46:09 facilities yes then where is your
1:46:12 equipment where's your Offroad Fleet
1:46:15 off-road Fleet um it's
1:46:19 that under 1% there there's a other
1:46:23 sources no it actually says off-road
1:46:26 Fleet underneath on onroad fleet missor
1:46:29 yeah it's a very small CLI
1:46:38 um so uh potentially this would be a a
1:46:43 slide to bring farther up as we
1:46:45 potentially as we talked to council but
1:46:47 this is specifically noting different
1:46:50 prr programs incentives policies um both
1:46:54 that we at the city are are pursuing as
1:46:56 well as or or you know actively working
1:46:59 on um as well at the state level that
1:47:01 will help us get to specific sources of
1:47:04 emissions right so Energy Smart east
1:47:06 side is a CommunityWide emissions that
1:47:08 will help reduce the natural gas uh
1:47:12 consumption in our community while
1:47:15 increasing um electricity consumption
1:47:17 the clean buildings Pro incentive
1:47:19 program again similarly will help both
1:47:21 reduce electric consumption through
1:47:23 Energy Efficiency as well as reducing
1:47:25 natural gas through the decarbonization
1:47:27 and electrification of um mainly large
1:47:31 but but other um commercial facilities
1:47:35 then there are a number of different um
1:47:38 state state efforts right so the
1:47:41 Washington building standards which are
1:47:42 going to help um address emissions from
1:47:45 new buildings there's the clean energy
1:47:46 transformation act which will help
1:47:49 address emissions from from our
1:47:50 electricity sector as that going to go
1:47:53 down one that we didn't have on here is
1:47:55 um Title 18 and thinking about how we
1:47:58 build a uh addressed our land use
1:48:01 patterns to build a more walkable
1:48:02 bikable isqua that will hopefully help
1:48:06 uh reduce our transportation emissions
1:48:08 and again down the line down the down
1:48:10 the line thinking about when light rail
1:48:12 gets to the city hopefully that'll have
1:48:14 an impact again on uh some emissions
1:48:18 thinking about our government sources
1:48:19 green direct is specifically focused at
1:48:21 that um government electricity um uh
1:48:25 greenhouse gas emissions the municipal
1:48:27 building decarbonization efforts which
1:48:29 includes both the feasibility analysis
1:48:31 the energy Audits and specific projects
1:48:33 that's going to help reduce that fossil
1:48:35 fuel uh natural gas portion of the
1:48:38 government operations thinking about our
1:48:40 own efforts um within the city to
1:48:42 transition our Fleet of vehicles to
1:48:45 electric vehicles and build out the
1:48:47 infrastructure to support that and then
1:48:49 again the commute trip Reduction Program
1:48:52 which was mentioned before and I know is
1:48:54 um going to get more attention I believe
1:48:56 this year as well so this is to just
1:48:59 highlight a few of the different
1:49:01 projects and efforts that are all uh
1:49:04 focused on different pieces of uh of our
1:49:07 those graphs and different pieces of our
1:49:09 mission sources
1:49:12 and you have a question thanks David uh
1:49:15 yes I think this is what I was
1:49:18 addressing earlier um
1:49:20 what do you think about adding some
1:49:26 solutions that um we're going to need
1:49:30 financial
1:49:31 support approved by the city council for
1:49:35 in this in this
1:49:38 area yeah I think that's that's a great
1:49:41 recommendation and something that we can
1:49:43 we can definitely include um I think
1:49:46 when it comes to specific numbers that
1:49:48 we can make we can make assumptions on
1:49:52 uh on um really financially what's it
1:49:56 going to going to take to decarbonize
1:49:59 for instance our own municipal buildings
1:50:00 or electrifier Fleet and that's a lot of
1:50:02 what we're going to be learning this
1:50:04 spring through a number of different
1:50:05 analyses right um and then we can also
1:50:08 talk about how uh to address those
1:50:12 emissions CommunityWide when we think
1:50:13 about where the city can fit into that
1:50:16 um we can we can mention the the need
1:50:18 for continued investment and engagement
1:50:21 in a number of the different programs
1:50:23 that already exist but also think about
1:50:25 um where else the city can kind of plug
1:50:27 into to the patchwork of efforts to to
1:50:30 help bring those numbers down so I think
1:50:33 that's a great
1:50:34 suggestion great
1:50:42 thanks so I know we're we're getting
1:50:44 close to the end of the the meeting so
1:50:47 uh I think kind of someone not some
1:50:50 overall analysis one of the the um
1:50:53 takeaways is that we are making
1:50:55 significant progress towards some of our
1:50:57 IAP goals um and we're not making a lot
1:51:01 of progress in other icap goals right
1:51:04 and so there is going to be uh you know
1:51:08 we have to continue to invest in our
1:51:11 efforts around building emissions and
1:51:14 transportation emissions um Etc to
1:51:16 really to really help us get to those uh
1:51:20 get to those goals let
1:51:24 see I have to disagree with okay I don't
1:51:28 think we are making significant progress
1:51:31 I think 177% production is just DP a
1:51:36 dribble and so I really question your
1:51:39 first
1:51:41 bullet the first bullet there are some
1:51:45 specific goals we are getting closer to
1:51:48 so for instance one of the Targets in
1:51:49 the I cap is to transition 100% of our
1:51:53 Municipal electricity to renewable
1:51:54 sources so we are getting closer to that
1:51:57 through the PSC programs and then
1:52:00 another one that is we're making
1:52:03 progress to that I would say you know
1:52:06 we have we are not achieving yet um but
1:52:10 for instance is the um energy use
1:52:13 reduction in existing buildings right so
1:52:15 there are specific Targets in the IAP
1:52:17 around percent reductions there that
1:52:19 we're getting that we're making more
1:52:21 significant progress to we still have a
1:52:23 lot to go there but luckily the data is
1:52:26 showing that we have made progress
1:52:29 towards that whereas some other targets
1:52:31 where we're far yes so I guess my
1:52:35 comment to you as though we are trying
1:52:37 to get more funding and more ability to
1:52:40 do this and by saying we're making
1:52:41 significant progress they increase our
1:52:43 efforts to get more um and you say we're
1:52:48 working to get there but we aren't there
1:52:50 yet if we have got solar power now
1:52:53 running the pool Community Center and I
1:52:56 mean yeah we've done some stuff because
1:53:00 those are things we can control but we
1:53:02 don't have any of that we may be trying
1:53:04 to get there so I really question your
1:53:07 first bullet and if that's the message
1:53:09 you want to send to city council I
1:53:11 disagree with you and that's just my
1:53:14 opinion but I don't know how the rest of
1:53:16 the board feels I think we have a long
1:53:18 ways to go and I think need to continue
1:53:20 to make efforts to try and reduce our
1:53:24 Greenhouse you know admissions
1:53:26 demonstrate leadership to businesses in
1:53:29 this community that we are doing things
1:53:31 to be climate friendly so that people
1:53:33 like Costco and REI follow our lead and
1:53:38 that's my challenge to you is let's not
1:53:41 send the message we're making big
1:53:43 progress we are working towards a goal
1:53:46 but we've got a lot of work to do ab so
1:53:48 maybe it's a reframing things so that uh
1:53:52 we're May we're doing things but we've
1:53:54 got a lot to do right to meet our goals
1:53:58 yeah I I agree with I mean I
1:54:00 think I also don't think that this is an
1:54:02 IAP update so I do wonder if that first
1:54:06 bullet should be specific to emissions
1:54:07 targets and like our performance against
1:54:10 emissions Targets in the IAP which I I
1:54:12 don't know how we perform to we should
1:54:14 we should probably have we should have
1:54:16 the numbers of like what was our Target
1:54:18 for 2022 how are we performing relative
1:54:21 2022 but I I do agree with with Nancy
1:54:24 that I think the first bullet doesn't
1:54:27 accurately like I think what we could
1:54:30 say is we've seen reductions but a lot
1:54:32 of it has come as a result of actions
1:54:34 outside of isqua like I that's the
1:54:36 message I get from hearing this is we're
1:54:39 benefiting from psse but we haven't
1:54:41 actually there's not been significant
1:54:43 change within the community which I
1:54:44 think is what what we're trying to get
1:54:47 done with the IAP is we're not just
1:54:49 going to sit and
1:54:50 sit wait for um for ESC to change their
1:54:54 their mix like so I I I do think that
1:54:57 the messaging here
1:55:00 is just in a different Focus than I
1:55:03 would have taken yeah I do think uh that
1:55:07 there's that talking about that talking
1:55:09 about how we're performing as overall
1:55:10 emissions targets and the addressable
1:55:13 portion of that and like what is
1:55:15 actually happening within the community
1:55:16 is how I would that bullet and if you're
1:55:19 talking Council we've got a long ways to
1:55:21 go and if we can get that message and we
1:55:23 need their support their financial
1:55:25 support their Network support because
1:55:27 they get connected businesses and you
1:55:30 know Community leaders and tribal
1:55:32 leaders and state leaders and we need
1:55:34 their help and so we want them not to
1:55:36 back off on the pedal we want them to
1:55:38 push it harder
1:55:41 okay I think the mention of the light
1:55:43 rail is a good example of that putting
1:55:45 our hopes on something in what 2046 is
1:55:48 it seems some something that it's like I
1:55:51 I I mean it seems kind of crazy for us
1:55:54 to be like we're gonna get there by the
1:55:56 time it's too late right and so the idea
1:55:58 is to say instead well how do we use
1:56:01 that power when we know where the last
1:56:02 stop what is it that we want right
1:56:05 recently were rejected for funding from
1:56:06 Olympia to even examine what it would be
1:56:08 to put a lid right and so it's like well
1:56:10 that didn't work so what else are we
1:56:12 going to do to say if this is the case
1:56:16 what do we want right I haven't seen big
1:56:18 discussions happen happen in that they
1:56:21 that transform us from saying what big
1:56:22 moves do we want to make we have a goal
1:56:24 we know where we want to go so what are
1:56:26 we going to do about it I think it's
1:56:27 being much more passive and this may be
1:56:28 an opportunity to talk about what is it
1:56:31 that we want and how do we then continue
1:56:33 to push that
1:56:35 forward I also don't see anything right
1:56:37 now um I know that it's a tangential
1:56:40 thing but right now we're not talking
1:56:41 about any inventory of um and chemicals
1:56:44 that are being used by the city and we
1:56:45 know there's a direct causality from
1:56:47 those with carbon emissions um on the on
1:56:50 the natural environment and so while it
1:56:52 may not be a part of the metrics right
1:56:54 now I do think it's an important thing
1:56:55 for us to be tracking and to be saying
1:56:58 how are we actually using where are we
1:57:00 using I love those little signs that I
1:57:02 find all over the parks right where
1:57:04 children are playing saying this has
1:57:06 been recently treated if you have any if
1:57:08 you have any concerns you could go and
1:57:10 call this right it's so it's most
1:57:11 ridiculous thing I've ever seen and uh
1:57:14 again children playing all around these
1:57:16 you know these little signs I would love
1:57:18 for us to be thinking about
1:57:20 when we have um our greenhouse gas
1:57:21 emissions that it's not just what's
1:57:23 coming out of our exhaust pipes right
1:57:25 there's a whole ecosystem that can be
1:57:27 impact as well and I'd like to see a
1:57:29 more targeting of that
1:57:31 okay I think Nancy made a good point
1:57:35 about talking to council here so you
1:57:37 want to lead Council down the path of
1:57:40 meaning to be a leader in the region and
1:57:42 show a good example of taking care of
1:57:45 our own house first where we can make
1:57:47 change even though it's only one % of
1:57:50 the total emissions of it's a at least
1:57:53 for showing an example and can make a
1:57:56 change there so that significant word
1:57:58 yeah that that jumps out um by my
1:58:01 council member and I see that hey look
1:58:03 at that great um that's not
1:58:06 reality just I think you heard it
1:58:09 throughout your presentation needs to be
1:58:11 kind of reformatted in a way where you
1:58:13 lay lay out some
1:58:17 ground steps up front
1:58:20 how the models set how the regional
1:58:22 efforts work before you get into the
1:58:25 Weeds on the the numbers and Graphics
1:58:28 sure where do we go
1:58:30 from Dixie I think we once Dixie goes I
1:58:35 think probably need to wrap on the
1:58:36 section we are coming up on time so I
1:58:39 think we're good on the slides so yes I
1:58:42 think um and maybe we'll talk about this
1:58:44 when we get into our goals and our
1:58:46 retreat but uh in my opinion
1:58:49 and I I said it before I think we need
1:58:51 to be the squeaky wheel and I own a
1:58:53 business in isqua and I can tell you
1:58:55 from my perspective there is no talk
1:58:57 about green anywhere in our world it
1:59:00 does not come through to up um and uh
1:59:03 and I am in a green business right so
1:59:06 there's no incentives like I I get
1:59:08 frustrated with this all day long
1:59:09 there's no incentives and I have a green
1:59:11 business why am why is this supp upon
1:59:13 not supporting me so what that tells me
1:59:15 is the coun we are not a priority
1:59:17 perhaps and I know they have a lot to do
1:59:19 government's complicated but um I think
1:59:22 this could be a great start in us saying
1:59:24 listen we're not going to take it
1:59:26 anymore and we want to see change and
1:59:28 this and you know we're here because we
1:59:29 want to see change and so let's yeah
1:59:32 let's like let's be a squeaky wheel
1:59:36 that's can I just add one thing to what
1:59:39 Dixie said and I had mentioned this
1:59:41 before you know bringing up to what she
1:59:43 said green businesses you know city of
1:59:46 isqua should uh Start program programs
1:59:49 where they give incentives for running
1:59:51 green businesses you know there should
1:59:53 be a carbon tax versus you know an
1:59:55 incentive green incentive you should
1:59:58 means there should be this discussion
2:00:00 brought up to city council or somewhere
2:00:03 the city needs to do that to actually
2:00:05 get it to the community and encourage
2:00:07 you know businesses to step up just a
2:00:10 note for everyone's piece of information
2:00:12 I actually get taxed extra because I
2:00:14 have a consignment store seriously I I
2:00:17 have to pay an extra BN tax it's not
2:00:19 it um I have an additional 1.5% I have
2:00:22 to pay on because it's a
2:00:25 service I still think I should have to
2:00:26 pay sales tax my customer should have we
2:00:29 PID sales tax on it why are they paying
2:00:30 that the whole another
2:00:33 day carbon tax is not new the state
2:00:36 state of Washington has been doing that
2:00:38 for big Industries and big companies for
2:00:40 a while now so you know that is
2:00:42 something and I know it's not in your
2:00:46 area but that is something I think City
2:00:49 Cil should be vok this is a great segue
2:00:52 I think for our next thing which Dave do
2:00:55 you have everything you need because I
2:00:57 think I think this has been very helpful
2:00:59 I will say there is a lot here so if you
2:01:02 have specific questions I have a number
2:01:05 of slides pulled up on other graphs so
2:01:07 if you want anything additional come
2:01:09 grab me right now or afterwards and I'm
2:01:12 happy to chat more and more and more
2:01:14 about this with y'all so thank you
2:01:17 for nice work a difficult topic you
2:01:21 navigate
2:01:24 there all right I think that wraps up
2:01:26 our our standard agenda items the next
2:01:30 item we have is proposed content for
2:01:31 environmental board and Retreat um this
2:01:35 Don and I think uh we're starting to
2:01:38 hear some of like this was great we
2:01:39 stared to hear some of the things from
2:01:41 from board members that we haven't heard
2:01:42 before I think that is the goal for this
2:01:45 this Retreat we have coming up um we're
2:01:48 going to be pulling together some
2:01:49 resources to hopefully get the juices
2:01:51 flowing in advance of the meeting but uh
2:01:54 I think the biggest thing that would
2:01:55 implore everyone in advance to be
2:01:57 thinking about um not just what do we
2:02:00 want to do this year but what are the
2:02:01 goals for isapa in the longer term what
2:02:03 what should the goals of the
2:02:05 environmental board be that are
2:02:07 consistent five years from now 10 years
2:02:09 from now um and that we make sure that
2:02:11 we are uh are staying on top of
2:02:13 regardless of what else might be going
2:02:15 on within the city that we're always
2:02:16 staying on top of so um I our goal is to
2:02:19 provide some more context some more
2:02:22 inspiration uh for materials in advance
2:02:25 of that meeting but that's something
2:02:27 that I hope everyone comes into that
2:02:29 meeting feeling like uh you've given
2:02:31 that some thought that you you you've
2:02:33 thought about what you're passionate
2:02:34 about you've thought about how uh the
2:02:37 things that you'd like to see happen in
2:02:38 the city uh and what the board could be
2:02:40 doing to to help those things because I
2:02:43 think that's overall what our a lot of
2:02:46 the feedback out of the survey was was
2:02:47 we just didn't feel like the identity
2:02:49 like we didn't have an identity as a
2:02:51 board as much as we felt like we should
2:02:53 so I think this is our opportunity to
2:02:55 have a conversation about what is our
2:02:56 identity what are our longer term goals
2:02:59 um and how how do we go about doing that
2:03:02 so there's more detail to com on I don't
2:03:04 know if you have any to add to that um
2:03:07 just format we talked about having you
2:03:09 know multiple tables maybe three to four
2:03:11 people per table if we get some council
2:03:13 members there have a council member or
2:03:15 so at each table um I'll throw out an
2:03:19 if we can p them on the council
2:03:21 membership table maybe we can quiz them
2:03:23 up front you know have them bring the
2:03:25 top three goals for the environmental
2:03:27 board over the next five 10 years and
2:03:30 then you could bounce back your goals to
2:03:32 council member discussion on that see
2:03:35 where we land against where they land
2:03:38 and yeah to Echo what jie said don't
2:03:40 think about it as a 24 work plan meeting
2:03:44 um we want to think about it more as a
2:03:47 term driving force environmental course
2:03:52 and I I we we may have some other
2:03:53 attendance I don't think that that's
2:03:55 going to be a major component so I do
2:03:57 think the majority of who you'll be
2:03:58 talking to there will be board members
2:04:01 and it's it's about getting your
2:04:03 perspective I think if some others join
2:04:06 from counselor that that will be yeah
2:04:09 they might be able to provide and they
2:04:11 will be able to provide some valuable
2:04:12 context but at the end of the day it's
2:04:13 about us and you all bringing your
2:04:16 perspective so don't feel like if if
2:04:18 someone shows up that is on Council we
2:04:21 don't know if that's going to happen um
2:04:23 so I wouldn't rely on that and even if
2:04:25 they do I think this is still about your
2:04:27 perspectives like to a certain extent
2:04:29 they don't matter this is our meeting so
2:04:31 let's make sure that we don't we don't
2:04:34 get turned off by what anyone else might
2:04:36 say like it is I think the end of the
2:04:37 day about us bringing our perspectives
2:04:39 and coming to the table I think also
2:04:41 getting to know each other with better I
2:04:43 think that'll be a fun opportunity as as
2:04:44 a result of this too we do have a social
2:04:46 component like we're going to spend some
2:04:48 time before before we launch into all
2:04:50 the the things that Don mentioned about
2:04:53 uh just to get to know each other better
2:04:54 I think that was feedback that came out
2:04:56 of the survey as well that uh will help
2:04:58 us help us be a stronger unit get to
2:05:01 know each
2:05:02 other public and private do they get
2:05:04 participate it'll be a public meeting um
2:05:08 I think one component we might talk
2:05:10 about at that meeting is um Community
2:05:12 engagement um if there is time that
2:05:15 could be one of the agenda items but it
2:05:16 will be a public meeting so we have
2:05:19 round tables that we're sitting at five
2:05:20 or six will the public sit with us at at
2:05:22 each table um we're going to we're
2:05:24 having a planning meeting with Andrea SN
2:05:26 our Deputy City administrator soon um so
2:05:30 we can talk about that
2:05:31 opportunity yeah that that was not the
2:05:34 intent right now but we can at this
2:05:36 point but we can discuss that as
2:05:40 option
2:05:42 yeah suggestions and well I see you out
2:05:46 hry so um I do think one the other
2:05:49 things that please feel free if you have
2:05:52 there's things that you think should
2:05:54 happen during this meeting that you
2:05:55 really want as priorities either format
2:05:57 or otherwise please make sure to send
2:06:00 that to Stacy you can include Don and I
2:06:03 you'd like but Stacy and David to make
2:06:06 sure that that that's getting
2:06:07 Incorporated um because yeah again we do
2:06:10 want to make this have like we have a
2:06:13 starting point for what we hope would be
2:06:15 a valuable process and format for
2:06:17 everyone but we want to make sure that
2:06:18 you guys are also uh providing input on
2:06:21 on how to best come together during that
2:06:24 meeting so that's part of the reason we
2:06:25 wanted to give you a little bit of
2:06:26 context on what it was going to look
2:06:28 like so that you would have the ability
2:06:30 to react and and send along any other
2:06:33 requests or or
2:06:35 suggestions so and go
2:06:39 ahead will there be snacks or shall we
2:06:42 make it a
2:06:44 potluck I
2:06:47 requested turned down but I think we'll
2:06:50 we'll figure out a way just to at least
2:06:51 get some some drinks and cookies there
2:06:54 so but we'll send more information um
2:06:57 folks are welcome to bring their dinner
2:06:59 or shared snacks too we had shared
2:07:03 snacks at our December meeting for those
2:07:05 of you that missed it yeah I mean we
2:07:07 could easily make it a potluck right it
2:07:09 is during dinner time from 5:30 to
2:07:14 8:30 we'll be sending out a lot more
2:07:16 information next week
2:07:21 cool I think with that that is our one
2:07:24 report um and one other uh other
2:07:28 businessman announcement nice two
2:07:30 minutes of quick updates I'll try and
2:07:31 keep it to two minutes um really quick
2:07:33 updates on Council January 2nd they did
2:07:36 approve the um Municipal Building
2:07:38 decarbonization resolution with an
2:07:41 amendment to include a work plan that
2:07:44 would be delivered at the end of the
2:07:46 project and presented to back to count
2:07:48 Council and the um environmental board
2:07:51 to kind of provide Direction on what are
2:07:53 the next steps coming out of the
2:07:55 analysis um David's working to finalize
2:07:57 the scope of work um and we anticipate
2:08:01 we'll be bringing that report to you all
2:08:04 um this summer um and demonstrating
2:08:07 alignment with any proposed budget
2:08:09 requests um next week going before
2:08:11 council is approval of a um just under
2:08:15 $100,000 solar plus storage Grant from
2:08:17 Commerce this is for our resilience Hub
2:08:20 project that we've mentioned several
2:08:22 times have not talked to you about in
2:08:24 detail but we will um be doing so in the
2:08:27 future um also a solid waste assistance
2:08:30 grant that's going to continue our work
2:08:33 with schools on restarting their
2:08:35 Recycling and composting program as well
2:08:38 as bringing um some waste reduction
2:08:40 efforts to City sponsored and Community
2:08:42 sponsored
2:08:44 events um February 5th then going before
2:08:47 council is the envir enal board report
2:08:49 and um the greenhouse gas inventory um
2:08:52 I'll make another note about that
2:08:54 meeting in just a moment um couple other
2:08:57 quick items I wanted to mention I was
2:08:59 going to have David talk about the Evans
2:09:01 school project I'll just mention it
2:09:02 really quick um some of you may be
2:09:04 familiar with the University of
2:09:05 Washington Evans school um it they have
2:09:09 graduate students that um perform as
2:09:12 consultants for um public entities for
2:09:15 the most part we were lucky enough to
2:09:17 get one of those cohorts this year and
2:09:20 they're going to be working with us on a
2:09:21 carbon sequestration project identifying
2:09:25 um programs that we could initiate on
2:09:28 private and public lands to support
2:09:30 carbon sequestration that scope is still
2:09:33 being refined um but we anticipate
2:09:36 having them come and talk to the board
2:09:37 at the end of that project in the June
2:09:40 period um within your pocket was our
2:09:45 working draft work plan that will be in
2:09:48 informed by our discussions at The
2:09:50 Retreat while we'll be talking kind of
2:09:52 longer term as Jamie was mentioning we
2:09:54 will use those conversations to inform
2:09:56 our short-term work plan um but just
2:09:58 wanted to continue to provide that to
2:10:01 you so you have a heads up on what staff
2:10:04 anticipate meeting to bring to the board
2:10:06 um but again we'll be reworking that
2:10:08 based on um outcomes of the
2:10:11 retreat um real quick uh just to
2:10:15 highlight some of the upcoming meetings
2:10:16 and I did this in the recent email um we
2:10:20 have the January 25th Retreat January
2:10:23 31st we have another special meeting to
2:10:25 review the full um environmental
2:10:28 stewardship and climate resilience
2:10:30 element um we will be sending out that
2:10:33 full element around the 19th to allow
2:10:36 time for folks to review Send us track
2:10:39 changes send written comments ahead of
2:10:42 the January 31st meeting for those of
2:10:44 you that were around last year um we're
2:10:47 anticipating running that meeting
2:10:48 meeting somewhat like we did Title 18 I
2:10:51 know it was a very painful for 4-Hour
2:10:53 meeting but it was very productive and
2:10:56 it was very valuable having those
2:10:57 comments ahead of time so we could work
2:10:59 through them all at a board so
2:11:01 anticipate that later this month um I
2:11:04 know we're asking a lot of you in
2:11:07 January um and then February 5th we do
2:11:09 meet with Council um to present the
2:11:12 board report and greenhouse gas
2:11:15 inventory um you do not all need to be
2:11:17 there is optional Jamie and Don are
2:11:20 planning to be there um you are all
2:11:22 invited um as we share the results of
2:11:26 that report and hopefully some of the
2:11:27 results of our Retreat as well I can
2:11:30 send out another reminder about that um
2:11:33 and then the last meeting I'll just
2:11:34 highlight is our regular scheduled
2:11:36 meeting for February is February 14th I
2:11:39 am in conversations with the Parks Board
2:11:42 about possibly having a joint meeting at
2:11:45 the end of February to discuss the urban
2:11:48 forestry management plan if that gets
2:11:51 scheduled I would like to cancel the
2:11:53 February 14th meeting because we do not
2:11:56 need more special meetings on our
2:11:58 calendar but we may see a shift in the
2:12:00 timing of that or sorry of that
2:12:04 meeting that was a lot any question I
2:12:06 can send um I'll send another summary
2:12:08 out of those upcoming meetings um in the
2:12:11 future but any questions
2:12:14 on for
2:12:20 okay it's a busy January thank you we
2:12:23 have a lot but hope to lighten your load
2:12:25 later in
2:12:30 there thank