Transportation Advisory Board · Wednesday, September 25, 2024 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of August 28, 2024

packet pp.3–4

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 08-28-24 Transportation Advisory Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Transportation Advisory Board 6:00 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. August 28, 2024 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Central Issaquah Multimodal I-90 Crossing Project (D)

Greg Lucas, Senior Transportation Engineer · packet pp.5–39

Topics: Land UseTransportation

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To provide the Transportation Advisory Board with an update on the study f or the Central Issaquah Multimodal I-90 Crossing project (TR003) and to discuss the crossing alternatives and “Project Goals and Evaluation Criteria.”

Equity in Transportation Training

Information · John Larson-Friend, Transportation Program Coordinator · packet pp.41–79

Topics: TransportationEquity

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Staff report:

Equity in Transportation Training S E PTEMBER 2 5 , 2 0 2 4| T R A NSPO RTATIO N A DV I S O RY B OA R D

Small Group Discussion re: Equity in Transportation De-Brief (D) Board members will break into small groups to discuss and debrief. will not be live streamed or recorded. The small break out groups will report a summary of their discussions when the large group reconvenes.**

Topics: TransportationEquity

Large Group Discussion re: Equity in Transportation Training (D)

John Larson-Friend, Transportation Program Coordinator

Topics: TransportationEquity

5. REPORTS

Board Work Plan

Staff Report

Chair Report

Youth Report

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0:01 ↗ good evening everyone uh my name is

0:03 ↗ Julian midv I'm the chair of Def plac

0:07 ↗ Advisory Board and we're following this

0:09 ↗ me's order at

0:10 ↗ 603 uh today and we will get started um

0:15 ↗ with the approval of the myths so if

0:17 ↗ anyone has any anyone you want the myths

0:35 ↗ are there any suggested revisions to

0:38 ↗ your

0:39 ↗ minutes no okay with that under's

0:43 ↗ consent we will adopt the minutes for

0:45 ↗ the August

0:48 ↗ 28 I have a

0:52 ↗ question discussion

0:55 ↗ break this

0:57 ↗ is that's the agenda

1:01 ↗ the minutes are referring to what we

1:03 ↗ talking about in August the August oh

1:08 ↗ right and with that I will proceed on to

1:12 ↗ public comments um do we have anyone

1:18 ↗ online you do

1:20 ↗ not and with that we will get started

1:23 ↗ with regular our first item is squat

1:28 ↗ multi9

1:30 ↗ project and we will get started with

1:33 ↗ that Greg will be presting

1:35 ↗ that

1:44 ↗ away

1:47 ↗ right okay my name is Greg Lucas I'm a

1:51 ↗ engineer in the public works department

1:53 ↗ here today to talk about the central is

1:56 ↗ M project

2:06 ↗ purpose of this presentation is to

2:08 ↗ provide the tab with uh an update on the

2:09 ↗ study for this project and we provide an

2:12 ↗ opportunity to discuss the crossing

2:15 ↗ Alternatives and goals and evaluation

2:20 ↗ criteria all right so what is this

2:22 ↗ project it's identified in our tip

2:26 ↗ project

2:27 ↗ tr003 um the scope of work is a three

2:30 ↗ vular lane crosssection uh anticipated

2:33 ↗ be one lane in each Direction with turn

2:36 ↗ Lanes with protected bike

2:39 ↗ lanes and 8ot sidewalks on both sides of

2:42 ↗ the

2:43 ↗ street uh this project was identified in

2:46 ↗ the environmental impact statement when

2:48 ↗ the central is plan was

2:51 ↗ developed meaning with the anticipated

2:54 ↗ growth in in that region of of Isa this

2:58 ↗ is a meain for traffic

3:00 ↗ mitigation it's part of that growth um

3:04 ↗ this project is located in their

3:06 ↗ regional growth Santa potion of C CLA

3:09 ↗ where up to 7,000 housing units are

3:12 ↗ planned and over 20,000 jobs are pled

3:17 ↗ and this project is closely coordinated

3:19 ↗ with the state do the county metro town

3:22 ↗ transit and other parties along the way

3:26 ↗ and feel free to ask questions along the

3:28 ↗ way

3:32 ↗ benefits of this project is it helps

3:33 ↗ connect North and South centrala

3:36 ↗ together and so help Mobility for

3:39 ↗ vehicles pedestrians and bikes to get

3:42 ↗ across I90 in

3:44 ↗ centrala this project will also support

3:47 ↗ the housing units and uh businesses

3:50 ↗ within Central sad by connecting the two

3:54 ↗ portions um additionally there's a plan

3:58 ↗ Street Network Within

4:01 ↗ Central Isa as part of the density

4:05 ↗ anticipated there and this is part of

4:06 ↗ the street grid and finally even though

4:10 ↗ we don't know where the light rail

4:11 ↗ station will be quite yet uh there's

4:16 ↗ thinking about the Light Rail station as

4:17 ↗ we're doing this

4:19 ↗ plan and both us and S Transit would

4:23 ↗ like the two projects to have some

4:24 ↗ Synergy within one one another um though

4:29 ↗ it's both very

4:31 ↗ early um and so here's an update on what

4:34 ↗ we've done so far in the study um

4:37 ↗ initially we established a internal

4:39 ↗ working

4:40 ↗ group this is kind of a cross

4:43 ↗ Department uh set of

4:46 ↗ Staff help guide the project U Got

4:50 ↗ planners in that grou on the executive

4:55 ↗ team ARS you name it um and one of the

5:00 ↗ things we did was establish to draft

5:03 ↗ project goals and evaluation

5:05 ↗ criteria thinking about what we want

5:07 ↗ this project to be what wanted to

5:10 ↗ accomplish and then the consultant team

5:13 ↗ that we hired uh Jacobs

5:15 ↗ Incorporated uh they got a

5:17 ↗ multi-disciplinary team as well with

5:20 ↗ Architects and

5:22 ↗ geotex much by their folks um and

5:25 ↗ they've kind of researched all the

5:27 ↗ existing nqu uh reports looking through

5:30 ↗ the centralist squad plan all the geot

5:32 ↗ technical information that's

5:34 ↗ available traffic

5:36 ↗ models and also looked at land use

5:39 ↗ patterns for the future uh just to help

5:42 ↗ inform the

5:43 ↗ study um and then we started looking at

5:47 ↗ alternatives to get across D90 and I'll

5:51 ↗ have a few more slides on that so we'll

5:53 ↗ get into that in a little more

5:56 ↗ detail and we're kind of doing our

5:58 ↗ initial Outreach efforts for the

6:01 ↗ project there's an ongoing public survey

6:04 ↗ on the project

6:05 ↗ website we'll be doing um an open house

6:09 ↗ way this year potentially November

6:12 ↗ 19th been meeting with some of the

6:15 ↗ business owners um within the

6:17 ↗ corridor as well meting with Sound

6:19 ↗ Transit was. cage when the open house

6:22 ↗ you say OCT um we're looking at November

6:26 ↗ 19th grade one

6:30 ↗ what's the overall project

6:32 ↗ schedule I know there's a lot of conerty

6:34 ↗ but must have some projections that's a

6:36 ↗ great question it's a long-term project

6:39 ↗ uh so for this study uh we're looking at

6:42 ↗ next sprin to be complete and objective

6:46 ↗ of this study is basically just to

6:48 ↗ determine the The Crossing location

6:50 ↗ within the growth

6:52 ↗ Center and once the study is done we'll

6:55 ↗ have enough information to be more

6:56 ↗ competitive for Grants to advance the

6:59 ↗ design

7:01 ↗ and so in terms of overall

7:05 ↗ implementation it's not going to be

7:07 ↗ within the next 10 years so we're trying

7:10 ↗ to beat the Light Rail and specifically

7:13 ↗ on the light rail planning you have some

7:15 ↗ dependencies here especially given the

7:17 ↗ the goals that related to suring the

7:19 ↗ light

7:20 ↗ rail are we going to know enough about

7:22 ↗ the light rail by Spring to have

7:26 ↗ Crossing um we won't know I don't

7:29 ↗ believe Sou will have started their

7:30 ↗ study but um Jacobs is a firm that works

7:33 ↗ a lot with Sound Transit got a lot of

7:36 ↗ experience and so as we're thinking

7:39 ↗ about our Crossing alternative we'll

7:41 ↗ have to thinking about you know where's

7:43 ↗ enough room for for station and a

7:45 ↗ parking get this all stitched together

7:48 ↗ um but it is a difficult task however

7:51 ↗ the it's even more difficult once down

7:53 ↗ transit determines their location and

7:55 ↗ then we got to kind of work around them

7:58 ↗ so go to be a little bit out of

8:01 ↗ take City

8:05 ↗ but that answer a question I'm still a

8:08 ↗ little bit confused about the

8:09 ↗ dependencies order of that

8:11 ↗ Poss that up in the air for it is yeah

8:14 ↗ how they get started uh we won't really

8:16 ↗ know but what we do know is kind of what

8:19 ↗ their uh what they call the

8:20 ↗ representative project they're going to

8:22 ↗ centralist

8:24 ↗ Aqua and just U you know right around

8:28 ↗ the sr900 Crossing

8:30 ↗ they're tied with obviously budget

8:33 ↗ challenges and so the

8:34 ↗ further east you know that's less likely

8:37 ↗ go further

8:38 ↗ easily for money and with being an End

8:41 ↗ Of The Line Station uh they need

8:44 ↗ extension past the station teally do

8:46 ↗ Crossovers and whatnot so we're we're

8:48 ↗ using what information we know to kind

8:51 ↗ of help guide our study

9:03 ↗ so we started um very high level looking

9:07 ↗ at Alternatives um and see the

9:12 ↗ highlighted area is the growth

9:15 ↗ Center and basically we started with no

9:18 ↗ idea was a bad idea it was just magic

9:21 ↗ marker lines on a piece of paper

9:23 ↗ essentially and connecting existing and

9:27 ↗ potential future nodes

9:29 ↗ um and then from there uh we try to

9:34 ↗ bring it back to Earth a little bit

9:36 ↗ looking at initial feasibility uh

9:41 ↗ challenges quite a bit here um obviously

9:44 ↗ there's a high water table with

9:45 ↗ centralis pla which makes going under 90

9:49 ↗ a

9:50 ↗ challenge there's on the north side of

9:53 ↗ I90 there's a drainage ditch and a f p

9:57 ↗ cover that the state will be

10:02 ↗ upsizing to a box

10:04 ↗ C sometime in the near

10:07 ↗ future where is it saw it in the reading

10:09 ↗ and I was just curious where that was

10:11 ↗ the Box

10:15 ↗ the

10:17 ↗ basically right in the middle of

10:19 ↗ centralis kind of before it me there's a

10:24 ↗ little the radius and those three pink

10:27 ↗ boxes is it on the Middle with the left

10:30 ↗ P

10:32 ↗ box yeah yeah exactly

10:36 ↗ y that just feeds water underneath by 92

10:39 ↗ the dra ditch yeah exactly comes from

10:43 ↗ South and does cross North and then

10:48 ↗ North I just wondering is it to Creek or

10:51 ↗ is it is Creek or it's this one's I

10:54 ↗ think it's just called an

10:55 ↗ unnamed got

10:57 ↗ okay it was scheduled to be in the

11:00 ↗ designed bid package that watch Do's

11:02 ↗ about to select a a contractor for but

11:06 ↗ he got pulled out into a different I was

11:07 ↗ just curious that's a thanks TI Creek is

11:09 ↗ over TI Creek is over to the left of

11:13 ↗ find B just barely to

11:16 ↗ screen on the upper left

11:22 ↗ side

11:26 ↗ there passage to

11:30 ↗ there's passage

11:34 ↗ there I think there's five total

11:40 ↗ in another challenge we have our

11:43 ↗ existing grades um with I90 and picker

11:46 ↗ and place and Gilman all being at simar

11:49 ↗ elevations um it's tough to find enough

11:52 ↗ length to it up and

11:54 ↗ over so if I90 was in a valley it' be a

11:58 ↗ lot easier to connect so we got to find

12:00 ↗ enough Runway to get up and get

12:03 ↗ clearance over I

12:05 ↗ think challenge for

12:07 ↗ us and as we're going through this we're

12:10 ↗ trying to limit the impacts both to

12:13 ↗ existing um businesses

12:17 ↗ and structures as well as kind of

12:20 ↗ thinking about how we think it's going

12:21 ↗ to redevelop and the impact to Future

12:25 ↗ developments um The Limited termination

12:29 ↗ points that exist today make it a

12:32 ↗ challenge as well especially the north

12:36 ↗ side and then we're

12:38 ↗ also want this to be user

12:42 ↗ friendly trying to make this so

12:45 ↗ everybody's going to want to use it and

12:47 ↗ kind of activate the

12:49 ↗ area and so after we app all of these uh

12:54 ↗ challenges uh we kind of narrow down to

12:57 ↗ five

12:59 ↗ Concepts get into those next one more

13:02 ↗ set up question here I've heard the

13:04 ↗ concept of a lid Park thrown about is

13:07 ↗ that something that you guys are ever

13:08 ↗ talking about or is that I heard that

13:10 ↗ here okay heard that

13:13 ↗ in a lid

13:18 ↗ Park like whether it's overpass or

13:22 ↗ underpass right right don't think we

13:26 ↗ have enough lawers as much that yeah

13:34 ↗ exactly um so kind of work I guess west

13:38 ↗ to east that's the first one is 11th

13:42 ↗ Avenue on the North to 12th Avenue on

13:44 ↗ the

13:46 ↗ south

13:48 ↗ um on the south end uh you kind of see

13:51 ↗ it meanders to the West that's in order

13:54 ↗ to catch as much length to get you know

13:57 ↗ more grade before we get to 90 and then

14:01 ↗ however much more clearance we need

14:02 ↗ we'll have to raise Gelman up in order

14:05 ↗ to make it work probably 3 to four feet

14:09 ↗ and it goes up and over High 90 across

14:14 ↗ the the drainage area just north of my

14:17 ↗ 90 and a lot of these um alignments

14:20 ↗ aren't set in

14:22 ↗ stone I walking through this so it

14:24 ↗ doesn't have to go exactly like this but

14:26 ↗ we're trying to squeeze between the

14:31 ↗ still is that a landscape the green is

14:34 ↗ that's a landscape St area or that like

14:37 ↗ w l CRI area yeah wasn't The Interchange

14:41 ↗ yeah yeah the north side of 90 is that

14:46 ↗ probably ditch or yeah it's a ditch it

14:49 ↗ all just kind of got

14:50 ↗ restored the tribes have a lot of

14:54 ↗ interest in that area as well question

14:56 ↗ on the profiles are the profiles from

14:58 ↗ the southide to n

15:00 ↗ sign yes

15:03 ↗ EXA and so were they just controlled by

15:05 ↗ the grades no more than 5% gr if they go

15:08 ↗ greater than that they don't have to

15:10 ↗ raise that's in

15:14 ↗ general

15:17 ↗ um Ada goal to not go more than that

15:23 ↗ is also

15:25 ↗ bike B

15:32 ↗ and all these alternatives are just two

15:34 ↗ Lan one each Direction yeah six

15:40 ↗ side actually 8 foot

15:43 ↗ side yeah three three lanes um I don't

15:48 ↗ think we need three to get all the way

15:49 ↗ across but you'd have it at Gman

15:52 ↗ and

15:54 ↗ it yeah yeah you could

15:59 ↗ yeah 5 foot protected bike L there'd be

16:01 ↗ a landscape strip or amenities in

16:04 ↗ between the the

16:06 ↗ vehicles

16:08 ↗ the yeah and then

16:11 ↗ side L do we

16:14 ↗ need uh I don't I don't think I want to

16:17 ↗ put too many it's a it's a good question

16:19 ↗ it's it's kind of a choice to we want

16:22 ↗ this to be a major therough fire like

16:24 ↗ sr900 want this to be kind of friendly

16:28 ↗ for the the traffic mod shows

16:31 ↗ to the cost per added foot in width or

16:36 ↗ something like this that's something

16:38 ↗ we're going through in the like just

16:40 ↗ like a you know a five foot sidewalk

16:43 ↗ versus six foot sidewalk is

16:46 ↗ that you know $200,000 I assume it's not

16:49 ↗ it's millions of dollars so it just

16:53 ↗ helps

16:55 ↗ understand yeah I'd be I'd be

16:57 ↗ speculating so getting the

17:02 ↗ cost this is mostly just what can we do

17:06 ↗ what are

17:12 ↗ Poss next Alternatives a little bit

17:15 ↗ further east has 11th Avenue into a

17:20 ↗ identified Street

17:24 ↗ 11th

17:26 ↗ Southside in order to make this work

17:29 ↗ we'd have to raise Gilman the south

17:33 ↗ side 18 to 20 ft something like that

17:37 ↗ also show showing lower

17:39 ↗ 990 should be a challenge in the Box

17:43 ↗ Bo we want to either get rid of that or

17:46 ↗ reduce it at least as much as

17:50 ↗ possible so can they do the reverse for

17:52 ↗ the raise 90 up over but one alternative

17:55 ↗ like that um that's further down

18:00 ↗ yeah

18:01 ↗ exactly I think there the creek on the

18:04 ↗ North side still a challenge here with

18:10 ↗ that so it's across from perspective

18:13 ↗ it's pretty good but the impacts to the

18:15 ↗ rest of the area is more substantial

18:17 ↗ what's the business at the bottom that

18:19 ↗ doesn't light up at the streets because

18:20 ↗ that goes right into the shopping center

18:25 ↗ there restaurant

18:30 ↗ if we can stick some questions just

18:33 ↗ about the context to the map then start

18:37 ↗ discussing the pros and cons

18:40 ↗ afterwards you want to go back through

18:42 ↗ all Alternatives and then go

18:45 ↗ back yes so so let's let him explain

18:49 ↗ what each of these Maps mean if you have

18:51 ↗ any questions about just technical

18:52 ↗ layout of it please ask them but back go

18:57 ↗ through again talk about them

19:00 ↗ for this table that you have here just

19:05 ↗ make and north side of the map that's

19:07 ↗ where like gri and Big Lots and all

19:09 ↗ those are right

19:21 ↗ yeah this alternative is kind of a

19:24 ↗ similar location get the alignments not

19:26 ↗ set stone here but this is if we wanted

19:28 ↗ to cross in about the same location but

19:30 ↗ if we didn't want to impact either I90

19:33 ↗ or

19:34 ↗ Gilman this is kind of demonstration how

19:37 ↗ much longer it would have to be where it

19:40 ↗ where it could

19:42 ↗ tight be TI in at the Newport and maple

19:45 ↗ intersection potentially making a Five

19:47 ↗ Legged

19:49 ↗ roundabout elevating

19:52 ↗ up up over get in get

19:55 ↗ across TI back into 11

19:59 ↗ this concept is sorry up and over Gilman

20:02 ↗ like would it connect to

20:06 ↗ Gilman The Crossing itself wouldn't I

20:09 ↗ would like to see some way to get up and

20:12 ↗ down off this Crossing to get

20:15 ↗ on it's a spiral

20:17 ↗ connection so they would just have to

20:19 ↗ take turn round about and go back

20:22 ↗ on the vehicles get

20:25 ↗ vehicles in this Con

20:32 ↗ next one is raising up

20:35 ↗ I90 going underneath it I am into the

20:38 ↗ new Costco developments

20:43 ↗ Maple a challenge with raising I90 we

20:46 ↗ have to maintain on the lanes during

20:49 ↗ construction the heavy lift in itself

20:53 ↗ and the added uh Vehicles would turn

20:56 ↗ that new roundabout at Costco do it

20:59 ↗ signalize

21:03 ↗ intersection is there so it seem like

21:06 ↗ the before the grade is pretty similar

21:10 ↗ unlik Lake

21:12 ↗ Drive I guess people point to the

21:16 ↗ highway they're both like 62 on one side

21:18 ↗ I think maybe slightly off the other but

21:21 ↗ so you could kind of raise or

21:23 ↗ lower uh I 90 or is there an alternative

21:27 ↗ considered at out for some reason of

21:30 ↗ lowering I90 at this location yeah this

21:33 ↗ yeah that was our initial I can't

21:36 ↗ remember exactly why we couldn't do

21:40 ↗ it but that was our initial goal for

21:43 ↗ this Crossing location was to go up and

21:48 ↗ over cons could have make it work

22:08 ↗ last Alternatives another and a big long

22:10 ↗ one this is how we could connect maple

22:12 ↗ on the south to 11th

22:15 ↗ North laed out right away was TI 6

22:23 ↗ 62nd don't know how much I think we're

22:26 ↗ kind of ready to eliminate this one uh

22:29 ↗ but it doesn't really mean a lot of our

22:31 ↗ guest goals for the project but this is

22:34 ↗ how we could connect

22:38 ↗ 11 and so I don't know I guess we could

22:40 ↗ stop there and go

22:42 ↗ through

22:45 ↗ questions go back to

22:48 ↗ alter two or three I

22:52 ↗ this oh no

22:56 ↗ uh so right there have you looked at

22:59 ↗ brother going right in front of the 425

23:02 ↗ and the visible all right there is going

23:05 ↗ other way back behind it to the right

23:07 ↗ side of it if they have to go through

23:08 ↗ the wet L either Bridge it or put a

23:10 ↗ single column in the wet go for the

23:13 ↗ roundout rather going right in front of

23:14 ↗ the business doesn't make any sense but

23:16 ↗ going in the alleyway

23:18 ↗ between go

23:21 ↗ and5 left make a little bit more sense

23:24 ↗ and you have a little bit of a

23:25 ↗ straighter curve right coming from the

23:27 ↗ other side the other one rather than

23:29 ↗ having a coming from the top come

23:31 ↗ straight down does an S curve they

23:35 ↗ make now we smooth the whole

23:38 ↗ out you want kill

23:45 ↗ business no

23:49 ↗ I

23:50 ↗ and this alignment is far from set stone

23:54 ↗ if this you know

23:57 ↗ the they're trying to keep you separate

23:59 ↗ from the other so not bring next to

24:03 ↗ each space event before them yeah so

24:09 ↗ what are your determining factors is it

24:12 ↗ cost price or is it uh permanent

24:15 ↗ environmental

24:21 ↗ impact but yeah all the

24:24 ↗ above I wanted to ask about the when

24:27 ↗ you're moving I90

24:30 ↗ um I'm assuming that that would have a

24:33 ↗ much larger impact on like road

24:36 ↗ conditions in timee that it's being

24:38 ↗ constructed in the other ones like this

24:41 ↗ would you have to do some you imaged it'

24:43 ↗ be difficult to rout cars around this

24:46 ↗ right so assuming that like the impacts

24:49 ↗ during construction are higher for this

24:51 ↗ than for the other on at least along the

24:53 ↗ freeway

24:55 ↗ yeah can imagine I don't know if you

24:58 ↗ driven uh currently on I90 near Eastgate

25:02 ↗ by the T-Mobile headquarters oh yeah

25:05 ↗ yeah all that's kind of there Lane shift

25:08 ↗ over and S curb narrow it up it'd be a

25:10 ↗ similar setup here with the additional

25:13 ↗ challenge

25:14 ↗ of raising things up and there' be all

25:17 ↗ that's kind of the same plane at like

25:19 ↗ this would be a little bit need more

25:23 ↗ challenging it's

25:26 ↗ [Music]

25:29 ↗ is lowering easier than raising because

25:31 ↗ of

25:33 ↗ soil lowering is not I would say

25:37 ↗ lowering kind of scares me a little bit

25:39 ↗ more because of the soil

25:42 ↗ conditions so

25:52 ↗ one and JBLM they've done the same thing

25:54 ↗ where they've

25:55 ↗ lowered fire they lowered it have to

25:58 ↗ have pump stations right

26:00 ↗ there like we're getting more or

26:03 ↗ whatever change be isue yeah

26:07 ↗ be I always worry about like a beamer

26:10 ↗ Bam off like just on the North side and

26:12 ↗ then back it all

26:15 ↗ up so the second alternative lower 90

26:20 ↗ right yes yeah that they're showing

26:24 ↗ lowering I90 I don't believe it's

26:27 ↗ required it's just um you have to either

26:31 ↗ have to raise Gilman

26:34 ↗ more are there options to do like a a

26:37 ↗ spiral ramp up

26:40 ↗ for non motorized vehicles to allow

26:44 ↗ for yeah definitely you increase the the

26:49 ↗ car more yeah they're thinking about

26:54 ↗ that and also the one alternative where

26:56 ↗ you can go under

26:59 ↗ um you don't need as much vertical

27:01 ↗ clearance for bikes

27:03 ↗ and heads as you do you know vehicles

27:07 ↗ and so you could have the the car is

27:09 ↗ kind of going steeper to get

27:11 ↗ under the PS could stay a little bit you

27:15 ↗ don't have to maintain theate 155 you go

27:18 ↗ something for for

27:22 ↗ the I think that's how this one actually

27:25 ↗ got it went under it that's why

27:28 ↗ that also had a pre

27:35 ↗ grade go on to goes sure

27:41 ↗ yeah a high level question on these

27:44 ↗ these

27:44 ↗ goals to me I assumed a lot of people

27:50 ↗ say huge cost difference outweighs

27:53 ↗ everything else yes and so what are you

27:57 ↗ looking for

27:58 ↗ knowing that you have three options and

28:01 ↗ one of them's half the

28:03 ↗ price a lot of these would matter a lot

28:05 ↗ less like what are you what are you

28:06 ↗ looking for then out of this is it

28:09 ↗ you're anticipating that they could be

28:11 ↗ similar price similar price and then if

28:14 ↗ that's the case we look more

28:18 ↗ this yeah I mean I I think what we

28:20 ↗ wanted to do is have a holistic look at

28:22 ↗ everything and then I think the last box

28:27 ↗ on the bottom highed are mostly about

28:30 ↗ Implement how do we get this product

28:31 ↗ implemented what's competitive for

28:34 ↗ Grants all the above and so that's a

28:37 ↗ that is a big

28:50 ↗ factor I don't know if you guys had an

28:52 ↗ opportunity to look through this or we

28:54 ↗ want to go through these any questions

28:57 ↗ about them

28:59 ↗ um basically what we did is um one of

29:04 ↗ few of our working group meetings we

29:06 ↗ kind of as our cross departmental group

29:08 ↗ we just thought about just brainstormed

29:11 ↗ ideas what do we want what do we don't

29:12 ↗ want and we looked at kind of common

29:15 ↗ things and that's how this got organized

29:18 ↗ and there's opportunity to update this

29:20 ↗ refine it through meetings like through

29:23 ↗ the

29:24 ↗ tab survey that we'll get to the public

29:27 ↗ and help us ultimately finalize this and

29:33 ↗ to help identify which one meets these

29:35 ↗ the

29:37 ↗ best just for it

29:39 ↗ to if you just go

29:43 ↗ through lot the project

29:46 ↗ goals and the issues yeah I think the

29:51 ↗ project goals is probably the best

29:54 ↗ column so do they vary by

30:00 ↗ yeah so what we'll do is we'll kind of

30:02 ↗ set up a

30:03 ↗ matrix but all of our and I guess golden

30:07 ↗ evaluation Criterion kind of see which

30:09 ↗ ones meet the most and which one which

30:13 ↗ one do we value more if we want to Value

30:15 ↗ the cost more we can apply more weight

30:17 ↗ to

30:19 ↗ that so yeah project goal is

30:23 ↗ to have a preferred design concept

30:26 ↗ that's compatible with d Transit flight

30:28 ↗ rest station regardless of the

30:37 ↗ location next one um optimizes efficient

30:42 ↗ safe movement of multimodal traffic

30:45 ↗ across I90 and closes gaps in the

30:47 ↗ transportation

30:50 ↗ Network kind see we want to lower the

30:54 ↗ walk

30:55 ↗ shed loce collisions it will'll say e

31:00 ↗ one sugges is uh pict to I'm not

31:25 ↗ sure all right the next goal would be

31:29 ↗ arrive at a concept that

31:32 ↗ accommodates multimodal traffic and

31:34 ↗ relieves congestion at the f900 street

31:39 ↗ Crossing we're looking at travel

31:42 ↗ times Regional Mobility that can make

31:45 ↗ this this project potentially more

31:47 ↗ competitive for Grants as

31:49 ↗ well project that benefits the growth

31:53 ↗ Center so make it more compe

31:59 ↗ exposed to arrive at a preferred concept

32:02 ↗ that supports the vision of the C cause

32:04 ↗ a livable stative Prive and sustainable

32:07 ↗ Town

32:10 ↗ centers as just how of how of The

32:13 ↗ Crossings meet the central s

32:16 ↗ plan ability with

32:19 ↗ that the next go arrive at a first

32:22 ↗ concept that includes mitigation and

32:25 ↗ adaptation elements that help achieve

32:28 ↗ the it's climate

32:30 ↗ action plan

32:33 ↗ goals we have two in here or related to

32:36 ↗ transportation

32:40 ↗ to it reduces vehicle miles traveled and

32:44 ↗ reduces dependency on

32:47 ↗ vehicles the last performance measure

32:50 ↗ for the category is design corporate

32:52 ↗ screen scrapes measured by at feet I

32:56 ↗ think so okay

32:59 ↗ the last call um of initial how are we

33:03 ↗ going to measure what we want out of

33:04 ↗ this so that's those are definitely up

33:07 ↗ in the

33:13 ↗ air measure what we want so that's uh

33:19 ↗ next goal is to arrive at a preferred

33:21 ↗ concept that is constructible and

33:23 ↗ eligible for funing

33:29 ↗ stability grant

33:31 ↗ funding minimize the impacts to existing

33:36 ↗ businesses think also here

33:40 ↗ is you know reducing the amount of

33:42 ↗ square footage so that's opportunity for

33:45 ↗ future

33:53 ↗ development what do it mean with this

33:55 ↗ cross an increase 15 to 20 minutes those

33:58 ↗ ress water I guess those are two

33:59 ↗ different than those sh

34:03 ↗ sh sure with

34:05 ↗ increasing increases 15 20 minutes yeah

34:08 ↗ I think

34:09 ↗ so

34:11 ↗ just just in general um more easy it is

34:15 ↗ to walk around the more people will do

34:17 ↗ it instead of getting in the vehicles

34:18 ↗ and driving

34:19 ↗ around so

34:21 ↗ more people that serves that can walk to

34:24 ↗ where they want to

34:26 ↗ go vehicles

34:29 ↗ the walk shed is an area on the map and

34:31 ↗ if you can increase the size of that

34:33 ↗ it's covered by how far you can get 15

34:36 ↗ to 20 minutes below stress

34:41 ↗ what projected that there's more housing

34:43 ↗ this area then the future I think

34:46 ↗ there's a ton of housing right there

34:47 ↗ right now but it's like this is to go

34:49 ↗ along with an expansion project that

34:51 ↗ involves more housing there so they're

34:52 ↗ going to need to be able to cross the

34:54 ↗ height so I was a little I was like is

34:57 ↗ there anyone that would be a to walk

35:00 ↗ right

35:03 ↗ now yeah to

35:08 ↗ job very little housing in Central in

35:11 ↗ the growth center right now but I think

35:13 ↗ the plan calls for 7200 or something

35:15 ↗ like

35:16 ↗ that this would be like very close to

35:19 ↗ that

35:20 ↗ so yeah there's a few

35:23 ↗ developers looking around right now

35:26 ↗ nothing really

35:28 ↗ too much mostly Allco development

35:35 ↗ obvious well the project is too far out

35:38 ↗ for most housing developers right they

35:41 ↗ looking return s

35:45 ↗ not so so in other words that's not an

35:47 ↗ indicator that they're not there's not

35:48 ↗ interest in the future but this project

35:51 ↗ would probably increase

35:55 ↗ the how will attract that's

35:58 ↗ yeah

36:03 ↗ just no def oh

36:08 ↗ yeah

36:13 ↗ question

36:15 ↗ questions um well I was wondering

36:18 ↗ whether you're planning on

36:20 ↗ waiting yes it will be waited um because

36:23 ↗ I have a question about how they should

36:25 ↗ be waed okay um and I also um yeah so I

36:30 ↗ I do think that the um it's so hard to

36:33 ↗ read this title um and I read it all

36:36 ↗ before but

36:37 ↗ um the um just the idea of uh making it

36:42 ↗ efficient multim modal I think ranks

36:45 ↗ pretty high uh it's kind of odd to me

36:48 ↗ that the congestion reduction seems

36:51 ↗ really strange and it

36:53 ↗ seems like a really challenging thing to

36:57 ↗ put as a criteria because we talking

37:01 ↗ about vehicular congestion do we really

37:02 ↗ want to be measuring do we really want

37:05 ↗ to be reading

37:07 ↗ equal vehicular congestion is possibly

37:10 ↗ going to be there whereas what we're

37:12 ↗ really I mean you can't really reduce

37:15 ↗ congestion and so it makes me

37:17 ↗ uncomfortable saying that one of the

37:18 ↗ goals is to reduce congestion since we

37:19 ↗ know that's basically right it's pretty

37:22 ↗ difficult to do and it's very expensive

37:23 ↗ to Chase and it feels like the um

37:28 ↗ uh trying to build increase the qued and

37:32 ↗ increase um the the grid and all those

37:35 ↗ other things that we've talked about to

37:36 ↗ build a network that provides other ways

37:39 ↗ to get around that are in affected by

37:41 ↗ vehicular ingestion um that seems like

37:45 ↗ it needs to be weighted for a lot higher

37:46 ↗ that's that's my opinion um I wanted to

37:49 ↗ just give that feedback um as the next

37:51 ↗ phase goes into maybe waiting these but

37:54 ↗ I also just think easing congestion is

37:56 ↗ always

37:58 ↗ brought thing to write down as a goal

38:01 ↗ um uh because as soon as you build it

38:04 ↗ it's going to fill up again so not

38:06 ↗ really going to be able to just reduce

38:09 ↗ or get rid of the congestion um and I

38:13 ↗ also think it's really important to

38:15 ↗ think about that the cost is important

38:18 ↗ but it's also not just the absolute cost

38:20 ↗ it's what are we

38:21 ↗ getting and and also the more we get the

38:25 ↗ more eligible we are for federal and

38:27 ↗ state

38:28 ↗ funding so I want to make sure I think

38:30 ↗ it's pretty well captured the way you

38:34 ↗ already have it but just some of the

38:35 ↗ discussion that we're having I do think

38:37 ↗ of course cost matters but it's not just

38:41 ↗ cost it's what are we getting and the

38:44 ↗ more we're getting towards these loftier

38:46 ↗ goals that we have about the ISA we want

38:47 ↗ to see in the

38:49 ↗ future my assumption is the more um

38:52 ↗ programs are going to be elig be more

38:54 ↗ eligible more competitive programs

38:56 ↗ anyway um so I just want to make sure

39:01 ↗ that we continue to think of the cost in

39:04 ↗ terms of what we're getting and I um and

39:07 ↗ I think one of things that makes me

39:08 ↗ uncomfortable is the like the grid even

39:11 ↗ though it's more expensive and it's more

39:13 ↗ um difficult to like shut down you know

39:16 ↗ it's the impact of I90 traffic the idea

39:19 ↗ of having to spiral that's just going to

39:21 ↗ reduce that's going to put um friction

39:25 ↗ on the idea of that k way less

39:27 ↗ encouraging to walk across the corridor

39:29 ↗ if you have to go up you know so when I

39:31 ↗ think about you might save some cost and

39:34 ↗ you know by raising something and then

39:37 ↗ whatever you guys be might be just kind

39:39 ↗ of a winding path I'm just saying that

39:41 ↗ the that's that's to metion and that's

39:43 ↗ less valuable to the vision I have of

39:45 ↗ creating that grid across Central isqua

39:48 ↗ and so I just want to make sure that

39:49 ↗ we're really conscious of not just going

39:52 ↗ for the cheapest option but the option

39:55 ↗ that we're going to we want to invest we

39:57 ↗ want us we don't want to wish that we

39:59 ↗ had done it differently in 30 years and

40:01 ↗ I just want to that only Penny wise

40:03 ↗ Coalition so of course cost matters um

40:07 ↗ but I just want to make sure that we're

40:08 ↗ really cous of what we're

40:10 ↗ getting um for the different

40:13 ↗ options so that's my

40:16 ↗ feedback

40:18 ↗ so you want to go to the next slide

40:21 ↗ because it seems like we're going

40:22 ↗ discussion already oh sorry I think we

40:24 ↗ just discuss the criteria we will

40:26 ↗ discuss right through a little bit the

40:29 ↗ next

40:33 ↗ [Laughter]

40:38 ↗ yes

40:39 ↗ so I agree with your

40:43 ↗ point but when I look at cost and the

40:47 ↗ reason why I think it is sort of above

40:50 ↗ regular

40:52 ↗ criteria is there's always other things

40:55 ↗ we could spend the money on don't keep

40:57 ↗ it St yeah it's don't it's not like you

41:01 ↗ can take that same amount of money and

41:02 ↗ spend it on something else so so in that

41:04 ↗ case then it sounds like whatever

41:06 ↗ however much the the most you can get as

41:09 ↗ as a grant it's if it's funded by is

41:11 ↗ this all that I I miss it is it all

41:13 ↗ funded byone if it's funded by the city

41:15 ↗ of bis uh the stud's currently funded by

41:18 ↗ our bus the stud not funded by but but

41:22 ↗ the actual actual cost yeah I mean

41:25 ↗ monthly the grants that we would you do

41:27 ↗ have a match or but we we'd be paid

41:31 ↗ yeah roughly ballark the long-term long

41:35 ↗ range plan for this $100 million project

41:37 ↗ what's the cost to the SP that you need

41:39 ↗ expect uh somewhere around 15% of the

41:42 ↗ overall cost

41:43 ↗ 15% okay so $15 million does that

41:47 ↗ includeed long-term being that does not

41:50 ↗ right and those are those become

41:52 ↗ significant time that's with bridges

41:54 ↗ yeah so so we can make

41:59 ↗ different decisions about where we're

42:01 ↗ spending that money and if it's you know

42:05 ↗ $14 million or $15 million but a million

42:09 ↗ dollars can also

42:10 ↗ buy curb cuts at 20

42:14 ↗ locations that's where I look

42:17 ↗ at that that's why cost such an

42:20 ↗ important factor because there's always

42:22 ↗ Alternatives you can do with it and I

42:24 ↗ also see you know what's happening with

42:26 ↗ the city of Seattle where they are now

42:29 ↗ you know they're laying people off

42:30 ↗ they're just because their budgets out

42:32 ↗ of control and they're they're they

42:35 ↗ don't have enough money so to me the

42:38 ↗ cost of the

42:40 ↗ project is above other criteria but with

42:45 ↗ this very important balancing factor of

42:48 ↗ it's cost benefit it's not just cost

42:52 ↗ right so I'm with you there and that's

42:54 ↗ why I'm saying I agree with your point I

42:56 ↗ just think that

42:58 ↗ there's no way to escape the fact

43:01 ↗ that it's either we're uh raising taxes

43:06 ↗ or using money that we could have used

43:08 ↗ Elsewhere for any portion of the city is

43:10 ↗ paying for and then for me the number

43:12 ↗ two one is actually the top one because

43:17 ↗ at Le my understanding is the whole

43:19 ↗ intention of this is meant to align with

43:21 ↗ light R yeah and so if you're not

43:23 ↗ designing it around light R then why

43:27 ↗ do it right because then you're going to

43:29 ↗ be in a situation Light Rail and it's

43:30 ↗ not optimized for it um so that to me is

43:35 ↗ is number two and then

43:38 ↗ uh I think the one other thing is it

43:41 ↗ almost feels like we're talking about

43:44 ↗ criteria that apply to the specifics of

43:47 ↗ the design but we're not talking about

43:50 ↗ the specifics of the design so I would

43:52 ↗ almost be more interested in I don't

43:53 ↗ know whether it's six months from now or

43:55 ↗ three years from now the okay you kind

43:58 ↗ of figured out this cost benefit here's

44:00 ↗ really the one that makes sense to do

44:01 ↗ from lowering the road or raising the

44:04 ↗ road these are things that we're not GNA

44:05 ↗ figure out here but then there's options

44:09 ↗ within that right there's do you try and

44:13 ↗ you spend more and do more of a a

44:14 ↗ gradient or do you look at some other

44:19 ↗ way to get pedestrians up I think those

44:22 ↗ are the one those are the decisions

44:25 ↗ or advice on opportunities that I think

44:29 ↗ this board might be able to better

44:31 ↗ provide like meaningful input uh but

44:34 ↗ that's once again my opinion so great I

44:38 ↗ think what we're doing is like obviously

44:40 ↗ for the future stages um you know to

44:43 ↗ have that waiting

44:45 ↗ consideration um be a big part of you

44:48 ↗ know how we talk about this issue um but

44:50 ↗ since we are running a little bit tough

44:52 ↗ on time um um can I John Morton as

44:57 ↗ server just

44:59 ↗ John yeah I just wanted to make a quick

45:02 ↗ point that much of the city's share of

45:05 ↗ the cost of this project would come from

45:07 ↗ traffic impact fees that are paid by

45:10 ↗ developers so and I do think cost is

45:14 ↗ very important and um the value for what

45:18 ↗ we get for what we buy is also very

45:20 ↗ important and doing it right but um we

45:24 ↗ don't have the flexibility to move the

45:28 ↗ funds around to other City priorities

45:30 ↗ that we're most likely going to spend

45:32 ↗ for the city's match just wanted to make

45:35 ↗ that little clarifying comment and let

45:37 ↗ you go back to your

45:39 ↗ discussion

45:42 ↗ thanks I can com as far as all of these

45:46 ↗ times rail we don't know if the future

45:49 ↗ light rail is coming

45:52 ↗ down to turn and into the center

45:57 ↗ makes a difference if it's staying on

45:58 ↗ 990 where the station be 990 then the

46:01 ↗ extension beond storage and CR over

46:04 ↗ behind another

46:06 ↗ ,000 you know if we do that but that's

46:09 ↗ my 90 then we're going be build a 990

46:21 ↗ anyway

46:22 ↗ right so break the discussion a little

46:25 ↗ bit um

46:27 ↗ we want to go through I think what would

46:29 ↗ be most for you in particular be if we

46:33 ↗ were to go through and talk about what

46:35 ↗ we think about how each of

46:37 ↗ these um Alternatives um would align

46:41 ↗ with these um project goals and

46:45 ↗ evaluation criteria and so I'm not sure

46:48 ↗ if everyone has had minute to think

46:50 ↗ about it but since we are in down time

46:52 ↗ everyone can take like a minute or so

46:55 ↗ just to explain what they

46:57 ↗ um

46:59 ↗ about

47:01 ↗ the Alternatives and their

47:04 ↗ opinions so anyone can get a start but

47:07 ↗ just take about minut

47:09 ↗ person so I think for this first one um

47:13 ↗ I know one of the things on there is

47:14 ↗ like reducing the gestion and Sr 100 and

47:18 ↗ I think this one would help um a lot

47:21 ↗ with that because I know at least like

47:22 ↗ whenever you know after school I'm

47:23 ↗ trying to go somewhere whe that be like

47:25 ↗ the jym or or something like that and I

47:28 ↗ need to go you know across sr900 to try

47:31 ↗ and get um you know from the south side

47:33 ↗ to the north side is usually what's

47:35 ↗ happening that road just gets so backed

47:37 ↗ up so I think this would really help fix

47:40 ↗ congestion but I think at the same time

47:42 ↗ it could cause potential issues

47:44 ↗ especially at the end of um 11th where

47:47 ↗ um there's that kind of T intersection

47:51 ↗ with sr900 I know that intersection gets

47:53 ↗ really backed up with all the traffic

47:55 ↗ coming from like Fred Meer area coming

47:57 ↗ back to where South cup is and then back

47:59 ↗ across the bridge towards the south side

48:01 ↗ so I think that could be a potential

48:03 ↗ issue if you're adding a bunch of cars

48:06 ↗ coming from um another I90 Crossing know

48:10 ↗ if that makes sense but like that

48:13 ↗ intersection could just become a huge

48:14 ↗ mess which would be something that might

48:17 ↗ need to be accounted

48:23 ↗ for I'm might make a couple of

48:24 ↗ generalizations here um

48:27 ↗ some things I see here like we've got

48:29 ↗ some pretty major changes in gr like

48:31 ↗ skman and ramps on the both side and

48:35 ↗ those can really kind of break up the

48:37 ↗ area in a way that can be unhealthy we

48:39 ↗ see that in a lot of

48:41 ↗ cities so we really want to watch out

48:43 ↗ for that and make sure that we've

48:44 ↗ considered what what's connecting those

48:47 ↗ places that we now yeah

48:49 ↗ separating

48:51 ↗ ptical um in addition to that we didn't

48:53 ↗ really look at Major bike thoroughfares

48:56 ↗ major bike routes um we kind of have an

48:59 ↗ idea of you know what's a a local or a

49:01 ↗ feeder

49:03 ↗ or major road um but it would really

49:07 ↗ help to look at like what bike networks

49:10 ↗ are we connecting what areas are we

49:11 ↗ connecting for conuter for example um

49:16 ↗ you know some of those are connected

49:17 ↗ through like fourth but they're major

49:19 ↗ areas that could

49:24 ↗ benefit my concern with this one is it's

49:28 ↗ just saying um one backs up by way to me

49:32 ↗ this like four points a major traffic

49:36 ↗ here reference it be to move it a little

49:39 ↗ bit the whole cross to the east where

49:42 ↗ this intersections are on both sides it

49:45 ↗ also seems to me that it's just very

49:46 ↗ close to the other overcrossing and

49:49 ↗ therefore it has less utility and

49:51 ↗ opening up more different areas to

49:54 ↗ traffic because I think isn't there

49:56 ↗ already a pry good bike

49:58 ↗ overpass if I'm thinking of the right

50:00 ↗ area of town

50:02 ↗ There's yeah there's a really good bike

50:04 ↗ overpass like right there you can use

50:05 ↗ that as a pedestrian it's a little bit

50:07 ↗ worse because grade but

50:11 ↗ um for that reason it's not as I don't

50:13 ↗ think it's as important to have extra

50:16 ↗ overpass

50:17 ↗ here one simple metric that might align

50:21 ↗ lot of goals maybe just the length of C

50:24 ↗ yeah from one one end to the other the

50:26 ↗ minimum length that you have to drive to

50:28 ↗ use it or walk or bik the longer that is

50:32 ↗ probably the wor utility in number right

50:35 ↗ be stuck on

50:39 ↗ there

50:41 ↗ get like yeah there might be an

50:45 ↗ exception to that what I'm thinking of I

50:47 ↗ think it's alternative three or it's

50:49 ↗ it's almost like could be a

50:52 ↗ bypass might G some extra benefit

50:58 ↗ yeah I agree I guess similar to that

51:00 ↗ then is a grade change requirement

51:04 ↗ for existing

51:06 ↗ roads basically great that's not the

51:10 ↗ actual paths

51:14 ↗ over that was like a potential

51:17 ↗ evaluation

51:19 ↗ yeah kind of like passively caught but

51:22 ↗ it's not

51:24 ↗ specifically yeah some of these gra

51:25 ↗ changes would have big impact on kind

51:27 ↗ just the

51:34 ↗ feel

51:36 ↗ oh um yeah I mean another factor I think

51:41 ↗ to incorporate which is already listed

51:43 ↗ here but I think there is it is

51:45 ↗ distinctive enough between every one of

51:47 ↗ these to really make a difference is

51:51 ↗ how closely it fits to the street grid

51:54 ↗ future Street grid and Street grid

51:57 ↗ aspect and so the fact that this is kind

51:59 ↗ of a more

52:01 ↗ wavy um alternative compared to some of

52:05 ↗ the other ones um I point out

52:08 ↗ alternative two for example which is

52:11 ↗ very straight which would would fit

52:13 ↗ really quite well with the future

52:15 ↗ griding in central isad you know maybe

52:18 ↗ alternative three might fit pretty well

52:20 ↗ as well alternative four um so there 234

52:25 ↗ it bit really quite well

52:28 ↗ but too curvy curves curves are also

52:32 ↗ very

52:35 ↗ expensive I think Streed ging is

52:37 ↗ something that we can consider or that

52:41 ↗ to be very high

52:46 ↗ importance I I'm on team Street grid and

52:49 ↗ I have the exact same response I did I

52:52 ↗ do feel a little in the dark though

52:54 ↗ about how it feels with the gray

52:57 ↗ and I want to Echo I agree your point

52:59 ↗ about it

53:01 ↗ just yeah of course in this view it's

53:04 ↗ impossible to know how it breaks up but

53:06 ↗ I'm all about the grid and the

53:08 ↗ connectivity and not having be separate

53:12 ↗ separated um and I also think um that

53:16 ↗ Mike is point about the first one being

53:17 ↗ the most important I think the first and

53:19 ↗ second one if they're done right could

53:20 ↗ actually end up being kind of

53:22 ↗ overlapping of the evaluation criteria

53:25 ↗ of course depending on

53:27 ↗ wild card being exactly where the

53:29 ↗ alignment is but I can see one and two

53:33 ↗ kind of collapsing because it's all part

53:34 ↗ of the same getting

53:36 ↗ around inviting ways to get

53:40 ↗ around this is slightly unrelated but I

53:43 ↗ just think if you're gonna bring this

53:46 ↗ presentation to more people this graphic

53:48 ↗ is just very hard to read designing this

53:51 ↗ to have a larger size would be very

53:54 ↗ helpful

53:57 ↗ I've given this similar presentation a

53:59 ↗ few times but I have not provided this I

54:01 ↗ want to specifically to ask you guys

54:02 ↗ about the crer this is my first time

54:06 ↗ with this part of presentation is the

54:08 ↗ impact on medium or small businesses

54:12 ↗ something to consider in there like we

54:16 ↗ there to improve the quality of life

54:18 ↗ right we don't want like impact

54:21 ↗ on big businesses can but no that's a

54:24 ↗ great point we just have existing

54:26 ↗ businesses don't have it listed

54:28 ↗ something to consider when we choose

54:30 ↗ that

54:31 ↗ alignment somebody just PL

54:34 ↗ right

54:36 ↗ right I think there's a good overlap

54:39 ↗ between the three grading aspect and

54:41 ↗ also business you know especially think

54:44 ↗ about business growth expansion

54:47 ↗ especially on the

54:49 ↗ sideway those stes look like barking

54:51 ↗ Lots right now um but obviously a lot of

54:54 ↗ that is owned by Costco now so looking

54:57 ↗ at their plants and other land owners in

55:01 ↗ that

55:02 ↗ area three and how that

55:07 ↗ Network so there's that issue obviously

55:11 ↗ um did you have any

55:14 ↗ comments this or any

55:22 ↗ addition I had one more thing we talked

55:24 ↗ a little bit about longterm

55:27 ↗ um that seems to be something that can

55:30 ↗ good impact on cities that get grants

55:32 ↗ and then kind of you know getting over

55:34 ↗ their heads so I didn't see that as an

55:38 ↗ evaluation but I think that should

55:40 ↗ especially if we're thinking about

55:41 ↗ putting like stuff like planter beds and

55:44 ↗ stuff that make it the costs of both

55:47 ↗ construction and maintenance would be a

55:50 ↗ lot higher

55:53 ↗ so I I think putting trees overhead for

55:55 ↗ shade is a good idea but I also read a

55:58 ↗ lot of things about the exorbitant

56:00 ↗ engineering refinements of putting trees

56:03 ↗ on big structures I think often times

56:05 ↗ that could be can look very nice but be

56:07 ↗ very bad for the actual environment yeah

56:11 ↗ costs yeah aot big trees on

56:16 ↗ bridges for our last couple of few

56:20 ↗ minutes of discussing this uh I think

56:22 ↗ what we've done is kind of exited out of

56:25 ↗ one to five

56:27 ↗ think that's a

56:30 ↗ consensus anyone else disagrees

56:37 ↗ with these are Concepts I don't

56:44 ↗ think yeah so I was wondering so one of

56:47 ↗ the

56:48 ↗ um which one number two right that was

56:51 ↗ lowering I and then number four is

56:53 ↗ Raising I so do both of those have

56:55 ↗ similar impacts on like how it'll affect

56:59 ↗ traffic on I90 like will one of them

57:02 ↗ mess it up

57:03 ↗ more

57:06 ↗ um not that I can think of the only

57:08 ↗ thing that jumps to mind is this one's

57:10 ↗ going to have the challenge of the box

57:12 ↗ culbert which will really be a fixed

57:14 ↗ elevation or can't lower that box CT

57:17 ↗ once it's

57:18 ↗ in um so that's the biggest challenge

57:22 ↗ with the lower hand I okay but both of

57:25 ↗ them will like impct

57:29 ↗ yeah and you mentioned something about

57:31 ↗ creating developments around that like

57:35 ↗ are these developments about housing is

57:37 ↗ going to be targeting

57:39 ↗ like lowincome families Med is that

57:43 ↗ something to consider

57:45 ↗ potentially absorbent expensive right I

57:49 ↗ don't know how all that fits in with

57:51 ↗ this project but um you know a concept

57:55 ↗ like this

57:57 ↗ would fit very well if a developer on

57:59 ↗ the Southside was very interested in

58:02 ↗ figuring out how this would integrate

58:04 ↗ with

58:05 ↗ it you know parking's a challenge to go

58:08 ↗ down on in structure on a

58:10 ↗ development and same reasons while going

58:13 ↗ under this and so raising killing could

58:15 ↗ be a benefit for developer

58:21 ↗ stock one last where for you guys to um

58:26 ↗ think about this more um how about

58:30 ↗ impacts on how are you guys the impacts

58:33 ↗ of GRE space particularly for that um

58:37 ↗ alternative three with that roundabout

58:40 ↗ because that is a more Wetland area next

58:43 ↗ to the J

58:46 ↗ Jo's so I thought tiny W big deal

58:54 ↗ over going to get the for that

58:58 ↗ time 6ot diameter

59:01 ↗ impact you can always mitigate

59:05 ↗ that looking at the bigger

59:07 ↗ picture I wouldn't want a mandate and

59:09 ↗ have something go around and cause

59:11 ↗ additional impacts to

59:14 ↗ businesses around because of I consider

59:18 ↗ and take a

59:21 ↗ bit just but look at the bigger picture

59:23 ↗ of it so brid bridet makes a better

59:27 ↗ alignment better

59:29 ↗ access but I don't think I they should

59:31 ↗ consider not impacting businesses the

59:35 ↗ the medical

59:37 ↗ business that's not

59:41 ↗ accept i' like to see total paved area

59:45 ↗ as a criteria so like

59:48 ↗ Delta acres are we paving

59:52 ↗ fors did you get or does anyone else

59:56 ↗ have any comments I think as far as bre

59:59 ↗ space goes for most of these projects it

1:00:01 ↗ looks like it's a relatively small

1:00:03 ↗ reduction in Green Space compared to

1:00:05 ↗ other sorts of projects especially since

1:00:07 ↗ a lot of it is going through the

1:00:11 ↗ air and I just I don't see that being

1:00:13 ↗ like

1:00:15 ↗ anal would you assume that this isn't

1:00:18 ↗ having a d pack because it just does

1:00:20 ↗ have you to fopr as a project there's a

1:00:22 ↗ lot of the existing uh paved areas

1:00:26 ↗ yeah so like North on the Pickering side

1:00:30 ↗ the

1:00:31 ↗ trading uh Park up for pig road yeah but

1:00:37 ↗ certainly worth considering as we do

1:00:39 ↗ this it'll make it permanent easier the

1:00:43 ↗ L yeah

1:00:46 ↗ Mo so the other Alternatives in this one

1:00:49 ↗ particular we right there you sh the

1:00:52 ↗ line one way the other

1:00:53 ↗ it's Alterna we're not really impacted

1:00:57 ↗ that one specific read that's kind of

1:00:59 ↗ the question then does that apply to

1:01:02 ↗ this alternative as far as impact the

1:01:05 ↗ area versus the

1:01:06 ↗ others don't have that specific impact

1:01:10 ↗ yeah well because also

1:01:15 ↗ could did you get what you needed oh

1:01:19 ↗ yeah yeah

1:01:20 ↗ great this last coln for presentation

1:01:25 ↗ just speak to it comes up how you that

1:01:27 ↗ oh well as a matter of

1:01:30 ↗ fact I can see what you have created it

1:01:33 ↗ but I

1:01:39 ↗ think so parking lots now they could be

1:01:42 ↗ other

1:01:43 ↗ uses consideration if you're you know

1:01:47 ↗ Purity designating them as streets now

1:01:50 ↗ that could actually take away from a lot

1:01:52 ↗ of

1:01:58 ↗ I was going to say the larger impact is

1:02:00 ↗ if some of those parking lots could be

1:02:01 ↗ turned into green spaces if there's a

1:02:03 ↗ lot more walkable access to that

1:02:06 ↗ area yeah or yeah ruc total amount

1:02:12 ↗ of part of the reason that region is so

1:02:15 ↗ not dense is because there isn't a lot

1:02:17 ↗ of housing nearby so it can't be so they

1:02:20 ↗ have to have parking lots to bring it

1:02:22 ↗ people right

1:02:38 ↗ all right yeah so next Up's for us we

1:02:39 ↗ got our open house uh we got survey

1:02:42 ↗ going

1:02:43 ↗ on other presentations we're doing for

1:02:47 ↗ this going around introducing the

1:02:50 ↗ projects getting feedback early and then

1:02:53 ↗ we'll be finding

1:02:56 ↗ two or three concepts a little bit

1:02:58 ↗ further trying to get it visualized with

1:03:00 ↗ the architect and see how does it look

1:03:02 ↗ action three dimensional

1:03:05 ↗ space meet the criter kind of match up

1:03:08 ↗ the with the

1:03:10 ↗ criterias um we kind continue to reach

1:03:14 ↗ out to S Transit watch

1:03:17 ↗ thought Council meetings mixed in there

1:03:20 ↗ as

1:03:24 ↗ well more questions do you like any of

1:03:28 ↗ these Design

1:03:29 ↗ Concepts they're all a challenge and I

1:03:32 ↗ kind of wavered on which one I like the

1:03:35 ↗ most uh quite a few times um but it's a

1:03:39 ↗ fun exercise because part of the CH or

1:03:41 ↗ the what is the future of centralis LA

1:03:44 ↗ and how does this fit in not just in

1:03:47 ↗ 2024 but in 20344 for one of the reasons

1:03:51 ↗ I asked is we're already too narrow in

1:03:55 ↗ the way were thinking about this and we

1:03:57 ↗ really look at it and say we need better

1:03:59 ↗ Concepts than we might think about going

1:04:02 ↗ back and looking at our initial

1:04:05 ↗ assumptions that's why I'm saying the

1:04:08 ↗ clate LI rail should guide this because

1:04:11 ↗ that's also

1:04:13 ↗ looking 20 years ahead want things to

1:04:16 ↗ look

1:04:17 ↗ like go that

1:04:19 ↗ area good point but there's nothing to

1:04:22 ↗ me that I think will have more of an

1:04:24 ↗ impact to vehicle miles travel than

1:04:27 ↗ having flight rail have the right

1:04:30 ↗ transportation to and from it so that

1:04:34 ↗ people actually want to use it right

1:04:36 ↗ it's useful yeah so like all a lot of

1:04:39 ↗ these other things kind of tree up to if

1:04:42 ↗ that's done really

1:04:43 ↗ well they can be successful yeah would

1:04:47 ↗ it be fair to assume that construction

1:04:49 ↗ wouldn't begin on this until alignment

1:04:52 ↗ is obviously there a huge investment in

1:04:54 ↗ design for Etc um but would it it would

1:04:58 ↗ at least be very unlikely that

1:05:00 ↗ construction would begin before that

1:05:02 ↗ alignment is decided I think we would

1:05:03 ↗ know exactly what's on trans building

1:05:06 ↗ any shov ground ex that's a bit of

1:05:09 ↗ a a consolation yeah I mean obviously

1:05:13 ↗ you wouldn't want start over burn I know

1:05:14 ↗ that process is enormous and expensive

1:05:16 ↗ to get to shovel ready but at least if

1:05:19 ↗ you haven't spent any money on

1:05:21 ↗ construction seems like a worthwhile

1:05:23 ↗ because you can't be behind it you got

1:05:25 ↗ to be in front of

1:05:26 ↗ you at least know you aren't going to

1:05:28 ↗ break ground so you know that for sure

1:05:30 ↗ that's helpful yeah I suggest saying

1:05:33 ↗ that when that comes up in the Outreach

1:05:36 ↗ you know meetings and so forth because

1:05:39 ↗ it's very

1:05:40 ↗ reassuring okay start yeah well would it

1:05:43 ↗ be accurate to assume that having a plan

1:05:46 ↗ already makes it easy to Pivot even if

1:05:47 ↗ the change it if even if there are

1:05:49 ↗ changes to like Ro

1:05:51 ↗ plan right like if we know say four

1:05:55 ↗ years from now where the alignment is

1:05:56 ↗ and ours doesn't work at least we maybe

1:05:58 ↗ have backup maybe

1:06:01 ↗ yeah

1:06:04 ↗ influence that's what I was thinking I

1:06:06 ↗ think it

1:06:07 ↗ will get

1:06:09 ↗ going well thank you yeah thank you you

1:06:13 ↗ got everything in

1:06:14 ↗ yeah and so with that we'll move on to

1:06:19 ↗ the equity and transportation

1:06:22 ↗ training withar brands we wanted to

1:06:26 ↗ bring this back to the table because the

1:06:29 ↗ last time we really had any pertinent

1:06:32 ↗ discussions about Equity went back I

1:06:34 ↗ believe in 2021 when I first joined the

1:06:37 ↗ board and

1:06:39 ↗ so people join this and I think um you

1:06:43 ↗ know we didn't solve it solve it no it's

1:06:47 ↗ this is got to be an ongoing thing um

1:06:50 ↗ ongoing thinking practice we'll to do so

1:06:55 ↗ so hopefully this will Kickstart that

1:06:57 ↗ longer ter proess and really making sure

1:07:00 ↗ that we're integrating the

1:07:01 ↗ considerations into what we're doing

1:07:03 ↗ terms of policy plan thinking about how

1:07:08 ↗ we're the needs of the community what

1:07:11 ↗ we're doing so I'll um take it away yeah

1:07:16 ↗ thank you um so first I've been thinking

1:07:20 ↗ about we had such a great discussion

1:07:23 ↗ about theing I think what I'm going to

1:07:27 ↗ do is I'm going to give the Pres the

1:07:30 ↗ training the presentation portion of the

1:07:32 ↗ training I had as you saw on the the

1:07:36 ↗ agenda plans for small groups and then

1:07:38 ↗ report out I think I want to divide this

1:07:41 ↗ into two pieces um so I think what I

1:07:44 ↗ want to do is give the

1:07:46 ↗ presentation still turn off the the

1:07:48 ↗ camera and microphone to like answer any

1:07:51 ↗ questions from the presentation and then

1:07:54 ↗ turn it back on and click and then we

1:07:56 ↗ can come back and do small groups maybe

1:07:57 ↗ next month or after um does that sound

1:08:01 ↗ reasonable because I I don't want to

1:08:03 ↗ rush this at all because I think it's

1:08:05 ↗ too

1:08:06 ↗ important

1:08:08 ↗ cool okay on that note um you know who I

1:08:11 ↗ am I'm John Maron friend uh I am the

1:08:14 ↗ transportation program coordinator here

1:08:15 ↗ at the city um and I am going to give

1:08:18 ↗ the equity and transportation training

1:08:20 ↗ evening um so my qualifications for this

1:08:24 ↗ uh basically Julian I believe it was you

1:08:26 ↗ that brought this idea back when sent

1:08:29 ↗ was shared or vice

1:08:30 ↗ chair the idea that we've done Equity

1:08:33 ↗ trainings it's been a while since we

1:08:35 ↗ have we've never done one specifically

1:08:37 ↗ on transation um so I had a lot of

1:08:39 ↗ conversations with HR and cler and all

1:08:43 ↗ these parties to figure out exactly

1:08:46 ↗ should we hire consultant should we find

1:08:48 ↗ some expertise Etc um so then it really

1:08:52 ↗ came down

1:08:53 ↗ to I have qualifications uh frankly um

1:08:58 ↗ my main area of study in graduate school

1:09:01 ↗ was equity and Transportation uh I did

1:09:03 ↗ several projects along those lines plus

1:09:06 ↗ I I entered the program around a time

1:09:08 ↗ that Equity was just everywhere it was a

1:09:12 ↗ part of every conversation and I carried

1:09:15 ↗ that forward so that's why I'm here not

1:09:17 ↗ some random

1:09:20 ↗ person to give this presentation so on

1:09:24 ↗ that note

1:09:28 ↗ so the agenda this evening slightly

1:09:31 ↗ different than it says up here um we're

1:09:33 ↗ going to go through key Concepts uh walk

1:09:35 ↗ through some structural racism and

1:09:37 ↗ Transportation uh look at history

1:09:40 ↗ looking at Seattle isqua and then the

1:09:43 ↗ plan was to do small group discussions I

1:09:45 ↗ think we're gonna as I said HP that to a

1:09:48 ↗ different meeting so I think think we

1:09:51 ↗ could have some really good robust

1:09:52 ↗ discussions but we would have like 10

1:09:55 ↗ minutes to do that so I don't I don't

1:09:57 ↗ want to do

1:09:59 ↗ there

1:10:01 ↗ um also uh just for the sake of time uh

1:10:05 ↗ if you have any questions that arise

1:10:07 ↗ during the training presentation portion

1:10:11 ↗ uh go ahead and write down your

1:10:13 ↗ questions and then as I said we'll sh

1:10:14 ↗ for Cameron we'll do some Q&A what not

1:10:17 ↗ anything that might have popped

1:10:20 ↗ up so the goals this evening are to ask

1:10:24 ↗ questions

1:10:26 ↗ after uh and then learn something new

1:10:29 ↗ contemplate your equ EVs and request

1:10:33 ↗ additional information

1:10:36 ↗ needed before we dive in I want to just

1:10:39 ↗ set the stage a little

1:10:41 ↗ bit

1:10:43 ↗ for the group here um so there's a few

1:10:47 ↗ things that we can that I want to

1:10:49 ↗ highlight I'll just walk through them so

1:10:52 ↗ first acknowledging acknowledge the past

1:10:55 ↗ uh it's important to recognize that

1:10:56 ↗ people in the past often believe that

1:10:58 ↗ they were doing the right thing based on

1:10:59 ↗ the knowledge their

1:11:01 ↗ time uh learning and growing uh just as

1:11:05 ↗ we can look back and see areas for

1:11:07 ↗ improvement future Generations will

1:11:09 ↗ likely do the same thing with our

1:11:10 ↗ actions

1:11:11 ↗ today focus on progress our goal is to

1:11:14 ↗ learn from the past and make continuous

1:11:16 ↗ improvements and not to place blame and

1:11:19 ↗ finally and I think this is probably the

1:11:21 ↗ most important for empathy and

1:11:23 ↗ understanding let's approach

1:11:25 ↗ conversation with empathy for ourselves

1:11:27 ↗ and for others understanding that growth

1:11:29 ↗ is a process so we'll dive in now this

1:11:33 ↗ is these are this is heavy topics and

1:11:36 ↗ but I think it's really obviously been

1:11:38 ↗ aable to talk

1:11:40 ↗ about so let's dive into key Concepts

1:11:43 ↗ first so very simply what is mobility

1:11:45 ↗ Mobility is getting from A to B uh

1:11:48 ↗ accessibility is the ease of reaching

1:11:51 ↗ those destinations and that's people

1:11:53 ↗ going to places

1:11:57 ↗ Equity is the concept of the fair and

1:12:01 ↗ just distribution of resources

1:12:03 ↗ opportunities and treatment ensuring

1:12:05 ↗ that all individuals and communities

1:12:06 ↗ especially those historically

1:12:08 ↗ marginalized have access to what they

1:12:09 ↗ need to

1:12:11 ↗ thrive

1:12:12 ↗ and this one is kind of is the piece

1:12:16 ↗ that I it's the big main takeaway that I

1:12:18 ↗ want you all to to walk away if you

1:12:20 ↗ don't remember anything else this is the

1:12:22 ↗ one thing that I would love for you to

1:12:23 ↗ take away from today

1:12:25 ↗ um an equity lens is a systematic

1:12:28 ↗ examination of how different groups will

1:12:30 ↗ likely be affected by proposed decisions

1:12:33 ↗ uh it's used to eliminate and prevent

1:12:35 ↗ adverse

1:12:39 ↗ consequences so uh the the next couple

1:12:41 ↗ images I I really love this uh

1:12:44 ↗ illustration so equality looking at

1:12:47 ↗ equality versus Equity equality is uh

1:12:50 ↗ providing everyone with the same

1:12:52 ↗ resources or

1:12:53 ↗ opportunities um that's been a such a

1:12:56 ↗ goal for uh last 50 years or so I would

1:12:59 ↗ say of our society but that doesn't

1:13:01 ↗ always work for everybody to give a bike

1:13:04 ↗ of the same size to four different

1:13:06 ↗ people they're going to have four

1:13:08 ↗ different

1:13:09 ↗ needs equity on the other hand is

1:13:11 ↗ providing everyone with resources or

1:13:13 ↗ opportunities based on their specific

1:13:15 ↗ needs to ensure everyone can achieve the

1:13:18 ↗ same level of success so obviously

1:13:21 ↗ wheelchair bound specialized bike big

1:13:23 ↗ bike for someone like me

1:13:25 ↗ uh and then a smaller bike for for a

1:13:30 ↗ child also want to touch on the concept

1:13:33 ↗ of horizontal and vertical Equity

1:13:37 ↗ horizontal Equity is the principle that

1:13:38 ↗ individuals with similar circumstances

1:13:41 ↗ should be treated

1:13:42 ↗ equally transport Transportation related

1:13:45 ↗ individuals with similar Transportation

1:13:46 ↗ needs and circumstances have access to

1:13:48 ↗ equal transcation services so for

1:13:50 ↗ example all the kids have little bikes

1:13:55 ↗ on the other hand we have vertical which

1:13:57 ↗ is the principle that individuals with

1:13:58 ↗ different circumstances should be

1:14:00 ↗ treated differently based on need

1:14:03 ↗ Transportation related uh focus on this

1:14:06 ↗ focuses different providing different

1:14:08 ↗ levels of service the varying different

1:14:11 ↗ buildings to each

1:14:13 ↗ group um an example of this would be

1:14:16 ↗ offering more frequent service or

1:14:18 ↗ specialized services to areas with

1:14:20 ↗ higher needs just low-income

1:14:21 ↗ neighborhoods other than populations and

1:14:23 ↗ people with disabilities

1:14:29 ↗ so thinking about policy decisions

1:14:31 ↗ that's that's what we're here we're

1:14:32 ↗ thinking about programs and policy um

1:14:35 ↗ these are just some questions to keep in

1:14:36 ↗ the back of your mind um as we're having

1:14:39 ↗ these conversations with with brg and

1:14:41 ↗ Thomas and myself and John um what are

1:14:44 ↗ the racial Equity impacts in particular

1:14:47 ↗ decision who benefit will be burdened by

1:14:50 ↗ the particular decision and are there

1:14:52 ↗ strategies to mitigate unintended

1:14:56 ↗ consequences um I want to note that uh

1:14:59 ↗ the city has another committee called

1:15:02 ↗ the equity committee probably aware of

1:15:04 ↗ of um and the city also has an internal

1:15:07 ↗ Equity framework that we work from so

1:15:10 ↗ every

1:15:11 ↗ project at every policy we always start

1:15:13 ↗ with the equity

1:15:15 ↗ framework which is uh really helpful

1:15:17 ↗ it's a list of 10 or 15 questions to

1:15:20 ↗ think through as you're developing

1:15:23 ↗ projects

1:15:26 ↗ okay let's dive in to structural racism

1:15:29 ↗ and

1:15:33 ↗ transportation so structural racism is

1:15:36 ↗ primarily characterized by white

1:15:38 ↗ supremacy the preferential treatment

1:15:40 ↗ privileged power access and

1:15:41 ↗ opportunities for white people at the

1:15:43 ↗ expense of communative adverse outcomes

1:15:46 ↗ for people this this is a quote from the

1:15:48 ↗ conscious kid it's a really cool

1:15:50 ↗ educational resource out

1:15:52 ↗ there provides books and other education

1:15:55 ↗ materials around these

1:15:57 ↗ topics relating to

1:15:59 ↗ Transportation uh it is the way that the

1:16:02 ↗ public policies institutional practices

1:16:05 ↗ and other Norms have contributed to

1:16:06 ↗ racial inequity and transportation this

1:16:09 ↗ could include redlining Highway

1:16:10 ↗ construction Transit agencies and how

1:16:12 ↗ who they operate for uh and

1:16:15 ↗ transportation costs in

1:16:20 ↗ general transportation has been an

1:16:23 ↗ essential piece of of civil rights and

1:16:26 ↗ equity for at least since the 1950s

1:16:29 ↗ probably before that um I think we're I

1:16:33 ↗ hope we're all fairly aware of you know

1:16:35 ↗ Rosa Parks and Freedom Riders and and

1:16:37 ↗ the role that

1:16:38 ↗ buses had in in those movements just

1:16:42 ↗ also want to highlight Claudette culvin

1:16:44 ↗ who was a 15-year-old in 1955 who

1:16:46 ↗ refused to give up her seat in

1:16:48 ↗ Montgomery Alabama um it was right

1:16:51 ↗ before Rosa Parks did and uh her actions

1:16:55 ↗ Sparks the Montgomery Bus Boycott which

1:16:57 ↗ uh did lead to the Supreme Court r that

1:17:00 ↗ segregation in Interstate Bus and Rail

1:17:02 ↗ stations were unconstitutional so those

1:17:04 ↗ little actions led to huge

1:17:09 ↗ outs always have to include some graphs

1:17:12 ↗ um so the this data is a little bit

1:17:15 ↗ older it's about 15 years old at this

1:17:18 ↗ point but it's still super super

1:17:20 ↗ relevant um on the left side we have bus

1:17:23 ↗ ridership by race and on the right we

1:17:25 ↗ have rail ridership by race um black bus

1:17:29 ↗ ridership has remained relatively steady

1:17:31 ↗ since the 1980s while white ridership

1:17:33 ↗ has fallen

1:17:34 ↗ largely um and then white rail writers

1:17:37 ↗ ship uh has remained relatively steady

1:17:40 ↗ while black fhip has remained

1:17:43 ↗ low the whole time

1:17:55 ↗ you did that oh you can do that that's

1:18:02 ↗ [Music]

1:18:04 ↗ cool that's fing

1:18:27 ↗ you oh that's what he did before

1:18:30 ↗ okay so that in turn um begs the

1:18:35 ↗ question whose Transit are subsidizing

1:18:37 ↗ um granted the cost of rail is much

1:18:40 ↗ higher than the cost of of bus

1:18:42 ↗ infrastructure um but it does uh it does

1:18:45 ↗ indicate that we are willing to put

1:18:48 ↗ those dollars toward the

1:18:52 ↗ shinier cleaner type of uh

1:18:55 ↗ Transportation over say buses which have

1:18:57 ↗ you know stagma tize

1:19:00 ↗ and typically used by much lower income

1:19:06 ↗ folks um the implications of Transit

1:19:09 ↗ those who are Transit dependents um

1:19:12 ↗ access to jobs and opportunities if you

1:19:14 ↗ are uh carless and cannot do not have

1:19:17 ↗ access to a car uh you're restricted to

1:19:20 ↗ your

1:19:22 ↗ bus I'm financing ask question oh yeah

1:19:25 ↗ on the camera um so the the difference

1:19:29 ↗ for Rail and bus and the

1:19:34 ↗ investment is is there like a is one of

1:19:38 ↗ the driving factors the that like the

1:19:43 ↗ decisions on where rail rail is put not

1:19:45 ↗ so much the investment dollars in rail

1:19:48 ↗ versus bus is that rail by its nature of

1:19:52 ↗ being in a fixed location

1:19:55 ↗ so it's about that it's not like that

1:19:58 ↗ the dollars it's not like you're saying

1:20:00 ↗ better to just spend a buch more money

1:20:01 ↗ on buses it's more when you're picking a

1:20:04 ↗ location it's a fixed location and so if

1:20:06 ↗ you're putting money into that okay yeah

1:20:08 ↗ yeah it's all in there it's just a good

1:20:10 ↗ question to ask in regard

1:20:12 ↗ to this type of data as well good

1:20:17 ↗ question okay uh so going back to this

1:20:20 ↗ um ex jobs and opportunities if you if

1:20:23 ↗ you uh if you are carless then you are

1:20:27 ↗ dependent on where the network goes and

1:20:29 ↗ therefore you have to find jobs

1:20:31 ↗ opportunities along those

1:20:32 ↗ networks um time spent commuting I think

1:20:35 ↗ we're all fairly aware that uh the time

1:20:38 ↗ on the bus typically takes much longer

1:20:41 ↗ than time in car a 15 minute trip in a

1:20:44 ↗ car can take 45 minutes to an hour going

1:20:48 ↗ uh by

1:20:50 ↗ transit um funding uh Beyond just

1:20:54 ↗ funding rail versus bus uh we put so

1:20:57 ↗ many more dollars toward uh car

1:20:59 ↗ infrastructure roads um the state of

1:21:03 ↗ Washington has a constitutional uh piece

1:21:07 ↗ to it where all gas tax must go to car

1:21:12 ↗ infrastructure and there is no way to

1:21:15 ↗ put those dollars is large over to bus

1:21:19 ↗ transit

1:21:21 ↗ Etc but

1:21:23 ↗ the the

1:21:25 ↗ huge tax on gas from the CCA that

1:21:29 ↗ doesn't go to

1:21:30 ↗ cars that

1:21:32 ↗ uh a good portion of it does um but it's

1:21:37 ↗ uh we can go I can look into that more

1:21:40 ↗ yeah I think it's it's specifically the

1:21:43 ↗ the base gas tags that they can put on

1:21:47 ↗ any additional taxs they absolutely that

1:21:49 ↗ base uh which has been a a big issue

1:21:53 ↗ that's popped up

1:21:55 ↗ it's not that much to consider yes well

1:21:58 ↗ there there was some there was some uh

1:22:01 ↗ constitutionality questions around the

1:22:03 ↗ CCA could they even put those exra taxes

1:22:07 ↗ on top of the

1:22:10 ↗ gas um so uh and then moving on uh so

1:22:17 ↗ looking at Transit obviously you have

1:22:19 ↗ choice if you have have car access to a

1:22:21 ↗ car versus being dependent on the uh

1:22:23 ↗ Transit System

1:22:26 ↗ so another good question to ask is

1:22:29 ↗ without a car can you flee a natural

1:22:32 ↗ disaster um we uh all have a wildfire

1:22:37 ↗ risk here in isqua um isqua I90 this

1:22:42 ↗ nice one nice big fault line which is

1:22:45 ↗ super fun um but uh so that is a

1:22:50 ↗ question that absolutely needs to be

1:22:52 ↗ asked going into the future and the City

1:22:54 ↗ squat is asking are asking those

1:22:56 ↗ questions U City's integrating Transit

1:22:58 ↗ dependent residents into emergency plans

1:23:01 ↗ I talked to the emergeny manager and his

1:23:04 ↗ example was they're integrating uh

1:23:07 ↗ Transit dependent folks into the

1:23:09 ↗ Wildfire operation study that we're

1:23:11 ↗ doing

1:23:14 ↗ now um looking at car ownership by race

1:23:18 ↗ um I think these numbers speak for

1:23:21 ↗ themselves pretty clearly um

1:23:25 ↗ such people of color have a much less

1:23:29 ↗ likelihood

1:23:31 ↗ of a much greater likelihood of having

1:23:34 ↗ no access to a car um and there are

1:23:40 ↗ several factors that go into that but a

1:23:42 ↗ few of them include economic inequality

1:23:45 ↗ which white households generally have

1:23:47 ↗ higher incomes and more generational

1:23:49 ↗ wealth uh credit access and loan terms

1:23:52 ↗ racial discrimination the auto loan

1:23:54 ↗ Market is well documented um black

1:23:58 ↗ Latino Asian borrowers often face higher

1:24:00 ↗ interest rates versus white

1:24:02 ↗ borrowers and uh historical and systemic

1:24:05 ↗ barriers there's historical factors like

1:24:07 ↗ redlining and discriminatory lending

1:24:09 ↗ practices that have long long-term

1:24:12 ↗ impacts on wealth accumulation and

1:24:14 ↗ access to Credit in

1:24:19 ↗ general I talk about Co um

1:24:22 ↗ So Co obvously was a huge disruptor it

1:24:26 ↗ uh it really tested our society's

1:24:29 ↗ systems um here in King County Transit

1:24:33 ↗ service got uh lots of so multiple Cuts

1:24:36 ↗ uh along the way um there was you know

1:24:40 ↗ in order to get tested some some people

1:24:43 ↗ only had access to drive-thru testing I

1:24:44 ↗ don't know if you all did drive-through

1:24:47 ↗ testing but I certainly did um so the

1:24:50 ↗ question is is like who who are making

1:24:52 ↗ these emergency decisions um what

1:24:55 ↗ services were cut versus being preserved

1:24:59 ↗ there's a probably a very good chance

1:25:01 ↗ that areas of lower

1:25:05 ↗ ridership

1:25:06 ↗ who serve people who need the transit

1:25:09 ↗ most or probably for cut first uh and as

1:25:13 ↗ opposed to you know the core of of King

1:25:16 ↗ County's

1:25:18 ↗ system okay so Switching gears a little

1:25:23 ↗ bit pun intended I think

1:25:26 ↗ um I want to talk about uh little bit

1:25:30 ↗ history of Seattle and dis um history is

1:25:33 ↗ super important when it comes to these

1:25:35 ↗ topics um where we where we've come from

1:25:38 ↗ really really matters the decisions that

1:25:42 ↗ are made EO across

1:25:43 ↗ time from past and us going

1:25:48 ↗ forward um so this is the first I I in

1:25:52 ↗ my research this is sort of the first

1:25:54 ↗ transportation and

1:25:57 ↗ Equity thing that I found for the

1:25:59 ↗ Seattle area very specifically um so the

1:26:02 ↗ Seattle Transit company which is

1:26:04 ↗ basically what Metro was back in the day

1:26:07 ↗ um they hired their first black bus

1:26:08 ↗ driver in 1945 uh and then quit four

1:26:11 ↗ months later because of the racial

1:26:14 ↗ injustices that they faced on the

1:26:16 ↗ job that was

1:26:21 ↗ 1945 um and there's red lining uh this

1:26:24 ↗ is a red lining map of Seattle um I does

1:26:28 ↗ everyone know what red lining is first

1:26:30 ↗ of all I'm going to Define I just want

1:26:33 ↗ to make sure um red lining was a

1:26:36 ↗ discriminatory practice for financial

1:26:38 ↗ services such as loans and insurance

1:26:40 ↗ were denied or limited to residents of

1:26:43 ↗ certain areas based on racial or ethnic

1:26:45 ↗ competition this practice often targeted

1:26:47 ↗ minority neighborhoods making it

1:26:49 ↗ difficult for residents to access

1:26:50 ↗ essential Financial Services

1:26:56 ↗ I live in a Redlin area actually just

1:26:59 ↗ house in a red

1:27:00 ↗ area

1:27:03 ↗ um then getting into the history of the

1:27:06 ↗ ID the International District in in

1:27:10 ↗ Seattle uh today the International

1:27:13 ↗ District has a long history of trauma

1:27:16 ↗ resistance um historically in the 1800s

1:27:20 ↗ uh when Seattle was first forming it was

1:27:22 ↗ the only place this little block area

1:27:24 ↗ was the only place that Native American

1:27:26 ↗ or Chinese immigrants were allowed to

1:27:27 ↗ live period so that's how this area

1:27:30 ↗ really developed and grew into the

1:27:33 ↗ Chinatown International

1:27:37 ↗ District and of course we know it's uh

1:27:40 ↗ split two by

1:27:43 ↗ I5 um so I5 uh broke ground in 1957 in

1:27:47 ↗ Seattle uh it took 12 years to

1:27:50 ↗ complete and it it basically went over

1:27:54 ↗ the heart of the center of

1:27:56 ↗ Asian-American culture in Seattle at the

1:28:01 ↗ time um this is the only picture I could

1:28:03 ↗ find of a building in that area being

1:28:05 ↗ demolished for I5 it's not a lot it's

1:28:08 ↗ not very well documented quite

1:28:10 ↗ frankly um I couldn't find the number of

1:28:13 ↗ buildings that were destroyed but we

1:28:15 ↗ know it displaced many many people

1:28:17 ↗ destroyed many bu businesses and uh most

1:28:20 ↗ were uncompensated from the city or the

1:28:23 ↗ state not acquired to

1:28:26 ↗ compensate yeah just take it

1:28:29 ↗ yeah um there is a really cool exhibit

1:28:33 ↗ but more accessibly a story map online

1:28:36 ↗ called nobody lives here um and it does

1:28:38 ↗ kind of go through

1:28:40 ↗ a it's a walking tour that you can do

1:28:42 ↗ but you can just look around and it'll

1:28:44 ↗ take you through some of the businesses

1:28:46 ↗ and really cool buildings that got torn

1:28:49 ↗ down that we're in the center of where I

1:28:51 ↗ is now

1:28:56 ↗ this I love dot Maps this is this is a

1:28:58 ↗ DOT map based on the 2020

1:29:01 ↗ census um it's a it's a DOT map by cus

1:29:05 ↗ block so each dot there is one person in

1:29:08 ↗ Seattle um quite frankly you can go down

1:29:11 ↗ to the um the block group level but uh

1:29:15 ↗ everything gets even more segregated uh

1:29:18 ↗ as you go get lower and lower um

1:29:21 ↗ basically in Seattle night 2020 66%

1:29:26 ↗ white 16% Asian Pacific Islander and

1:29:29 ↗ then in 1960 when i5 was put over the

1:29:32 ↗ top of this

1:29:34 ↗ area Seattle was ding 1% white and 3%

1:29:37 ↗ asan and Pacific Islander which most of

1:29:40 ↗ them were concentrated in that

1:29:42 ↗ area so really really devastating to

1:29:45 ↗ that

1:29:49 ↗ 3% uh there is some good news in

1:29:53 ↗ Seattle's history of of freeways uh the

1:29:56 ↗ map on the right there is uh the cities

1:29:59 ↗ and states original plan for freeways

1:30:02 ↗ through

1:30:03 ↗ scale um which it's extensive it's yeah

1:30:07 ↗ I was really stunned I had never seen

1:30:09 ↗ this before um and then on the left

1:30:12 ↗ there is a rendering of what the

1:30:14 ↗ interchange would have looked like uh

1:30:17 ↗ right there right off The Floating

1:30:19 ↗ Bridge um this as that as they

1:30:22 ↗ interchange with to I can't tell

1:30:25 ↗ what come

1:30:27 ↗ through yeah um but of course this got

1:30:31 ↗ stopped because he was going through the

1:30:33 ↗ white neighborhood so the whole city

1:30:34 ↗ rose up and you know we saved you

1:30:40 ↗ know um Seattle I think we're probably

1:30:43 ↗ all fairly aware of the history of

1:30:46 ↗ racial disparity modernly in Seattle but

1:30:50 ↗ this is a really

1:30:52 ↗ glaring statistic here

1:30:54 ↗ uh between 2010

1:30:57 ↗ 2016 the 7% that made up of black people

1:31:02 ↗ who made up the population of Seattle

1:31:04 ↗ they got 26% of jwalk who hasn't

1:31:11 ↗ jaywalked okay j walking tickets oh yeah

1:31:15 ↗ yeah oh

1:31:17 ↗ yeah not for

1:31:22 ↗ you care careful

1:31:27 ↗ um so okay so turning to to isqua um

1:31:31 ↗ this was really fun for me because I got

1:31:33 ↗ to dive into to squ history

1:31:37 ↗ um so first of all this is a photo of um

1:31:42 ↗ squa from the air don't know exactly

1:31:44 ↗ what what year this was but it was pre9

1:31:47 ↗ so probably at least the

1:31:50 ↗ 1950s uh or

1:31:52 ↗ before um um very different context from

1:31:56 ↗ Seattle uh didn't have to blaze through

1:32:00 ↗ communities to to build by 90 or

1:32:02 ↗ anything like that was all farm

1:32:04 ↗ Farmland all in the domain but minimal

1:32:08 ↗ impacts to the

1:32:10 ↗ community that's great that's looking

1:32:18 ↗ through

1:32:22 ↗ yeah on the right and that's a that's

1:32:25 ↗ coming down

1:32:26 ↗ on

1:32:29 ↗ yeah just the

1:32:31 ↗ road after that Little Town out there

1:32:36 ↗ probably

1:32:39 ↗ um so also wanted to highlight

1:32:42 ↗ demographics uh in in isqua so in

1:32:47 ↗ 1960 the population was

1:32:50 ↗ 1870 88% White 6% Asian-American and .9%

1:32:57 ↗ African-American and I calculated it out

1:32:59 ↗ it's about 16 black people

1:33:02 ↗ s um 1970 the population actually

1:33:06 ↗ quadrupled to

1:33:08 ↗ 4,313 that was just in 10 years uh and

1:33:12 ↗ the uh the demographic stayed largely

1:33:14 ↗ the same nothing really changed there

1:33:18 ↗ today uh it's 50% 58% white 26%

1:33:22 ↗ Asian-American and 1

1:33:24 ↗ .7%

1:33:26 ↗ African um what

1:33:29 ↗ to just over

1:33:32 ↗ 40,000 yeah um which I calculated out

1:33:36 ↗ around just under 700 black folks who

1:33:39 ↗ live within isqua um it begs the

1:33:43 ↗ question why why is that like it's only

1:33:47 ↗ the the amount of African-Americans who

1:33:48 ↗ live within the city has only gone up

1:33:51 ↗ 1% since since

1:33:54 ↗ 1960 um it's

1:33:57 ↗ unfortunately largely uh a little bit by

1:34:02 ↗ Design

1:34:05 ↗ so unfortunately have to talk about the

1:34:07 ↗ KKK um so dusing off I went to film

1:34:11 ↗ school I dusting off my film degree um

1:34:14 ↗ the KKK saw a Resurgence in popularity

1:34:16 ↗ in the 1920s across the country uh Birth

1:34:19 ↗ of a Nation came out 1915 one of the

1:34:24 ↗ highest grossing films of all time it

1:34:27 ↗ was the first film to earn more than $10

1:34:29 ↗ million then and uh adjusted for

1:34:33 ↗ inflation it made the equivalent of $1.8

1:34:37 ↗ billion um it was an incredibly racist

1:34:40 ↗ uh

1:34:42 ↗ Trope and it it again as I said it led

1:34:45 ↗ to this huge Resurgence of the KKK

1:34:48 ↗ across uh the us including here um July

1:34:53 ↗ 6 1924 so just over 100 years ago a

1:34:57 ↗ rally took place on then George Tibbits

1:35:01 ↗ land located the rally was located

1:35:05 ↗ actually at where the modern Transit

1:35:07 ↗ Center

1:35:09 ↗ is um it was one of the largest KKK

1:35:13 ↗ rallies on the west coast with 13,000

1:35:15 ↗ people packed over

1:35:17 ↗ there um there's also references to uh

1:35:21 ↗ the KK burning across several times on

1:35:25 ↗ quote a ridge Northeast of town which I

1:35:27 ↗ would expect is probably the

1:35:28 ↗ highlands

1:35:30 ↗ um it

1:35:32 ↗ basically the city of isad basically

1:35:35 ↗ screamed don't come here to any afrian

1:35:39 ↗ amican

1:35:41 ↗ um side note about since we're in

1:35:43 ↗ tibet's Manor and talked about this

1:35:45 ↗ being tibet's land um George Tibbits is

1:35:48 ↗ very much a founding father of a seon um

1:35:51 ↗ he moved to what was called at the

1:35:53 ↗ time time in the

1:35:55 ↗ 1870s there's only about 30 people here

1:35:58 ↗ um he and he really built thisa from the

1:36:02 ↗ ground

1:36:03 ↗ up hotel and businesses and economic

1:36:08 ↗ stability in fact many thought that the

1:36:10 ↗ center of town would be in this area

1:36:13 ↗ because this is where he had all of his

1:36:16 ↗ economic

1:36:17 ↗ opportunities um he's also one of the

1:36:20 ↗ framers of Washington State's

1:36:22 ↗ Constitution uh

1:36:24 ↗ there's no record of him being involved

1:36:26 ↗ in the KKK but there are extensive

1:36:28 ↗ records of his family mostly his kids

1:36:32 ↗ being involved and going attending uh

1:36:35 ↗ KKK Realties including a journal entry

1:36:37 ↗ by one

1:36:38 ↗ of I couldn't confirm this I think it

1:36:40 ↗ one of his daughters the history of the

1:36:43 ↗ genealogy gets hazy around that

1:36:45 ↗ time but uh they were involved in these

1:36:50 ↗ things um so also records from

1:36:53 ↗ interviews with

1:36:55 ↗ residents the one I'm thinking of I

1:36:57 ↗ think was prob in the 1970s or ' 80s um

1:37:01 ↗ interviews with residents who Express

1:37:03 ↗ the normaly around lack of

1:37:05 ↗ African-Americans in town um I won't

1:37:07 ↗ repeat the story here but um at this

1:37:10 ↗ point because it's it's not great but um

1:37:13 ↗ very much like well yeah they're not

1:37:15 ↗ here we don't have those type of people

1:37:17 ↗ basically um also records of deed

1:37:20 ↗ restrictions here in the city um uh I I

1:37:23 ↗ wasn't able to track them down but step

1:37:25 ↗ Padua said that he's found them in the

1:37:27 ↗ course of his

1:37:29 ↗ work K just wasn't against basically

1:37:33 ↗ everybody was very

1:37:37 ↗ yeah background

1:37:40 ↗ ethnicity

1:37:42 ↗ absolutely um

1:37:46 ↗ 741 I'll this is the last thing I'll end

1:37:48 ↗ on um so this is an isqua self drive

1:37:52 ↗ yourself as hisorical tour was printed

1:37:55 ↗ in esqua press in the

1:37:56 ↗ 1980s um it was basically an ad for come

1:38:00 ↗ to squa explore our history come shop

1:38:04 ↗ well this is what we're all about and

1:38:06 ↗ they included KKK site on that driving

1:38:09 ↗ tour say because we if you could just I

1:38:12 ↗ tried to look it's

1:38:15 ↗ really um it's really really hard to

1:38:18 ↗ read because it's a scan I even tried to

1:38:21 ↗ uh I even tried to like put it through

1:38:24 ↗ like an AI reader and it couldn't pick

1:38:26 ↗ up exactly what it was saying

1:38:29 ↗ um

1:38:31 ↗ yeah fiery electrical cross 40 feet high

1:38:35 ↗ so I can see that

1:38:36 ↗ but anyway it's very blatant I

1:38:43 ↗ think

1:38:47 ↗ um so I think I think I'll leave it

1:38:50 ↗ there um I will stop

1:38:54 ↗ sharing

1:38:57 ↗ then for probably the next eight minutes

1:39:00 ↗ or so I'm going to turn off the

1:39:02 ↗ recording and the camera just so if

1:39:04 ↗ there are any thoughts or uh anything we

1:39:07 ↗ want to process together I want to

1:39:10 ↗ create a safe space I've gotten

1:39:11 ↗ permission from the clerk's office to do

1:39:13 ↗ this council did this recently so I'm

1:39:15 ↗ going to go back

1:39:25 ↗ uh and great conversation um we will

1:39:29 ↗ definitely keep doing these in the

1:39:32 ↗ future

1:39:36 ↗ entr discuss so um and with that we will

1:39:41 ↗ go off to reports um more plan yeah so

1:39:46 ↗ next month uh October we have I

1:39:49 ↗ mentioned uh Li visioning toic will be

1:39:52 ↗ coming and then uh John and I will be

1:39:54 ↗ presenting on landscape strip standards

1:39:57 ↗ that's a new additional

1:40:00 ↗ item landscape standards uh in the uh

1:40:07 ↗ standards

1:40:09 ↗ um and then we also need to we'll have

1:40:12 ↗ to discuss uh ideal times through

1:40:15 ↗ November meeting since November meeting

1:40:18 ↗ right now take place uh right before

1:40:20 ↗ exing

1:40:22 ↗ s so TVD on

1:40:25 ↗ that any

1:40:28 ↗ stff make sure that you two get your new

1:40:32 ↗ tags and then uh I was just yeah to say

1:40:37 ↗ got set

1:40:40 ↗ November chair

1:40:44 ↗ report any other business or

1:40:46 ↗ announcements no okay and with that

1:40:49 ↗ we're going be adjourned 8

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