Transportation Advisory Board · Wednesday, October 23, 2024 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of Sep 25, 2024

packet pp.3–4

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 09-25-24 Transportation Advisory Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Transportation Advisory Board 6:00 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave. September 25, 2024 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Draft Central Issaquah Station Area Visioning and Guiding Principles

Thomas Valdriz, Senior Transportation Planner · packet pp.5–39

Topics: Land Use

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Staff report:

The purpose of the October 23, 2024, meeting is to review and discuss the first draft of Central Issaquah light rail station area vision and guiding principles. The Administration has the following questions for the Transportation Advisory Board (TAB) to consider:

Introduction to Street Standards - Landscaping

John Larson-Friend, Transportation Program Coordinator John Mortenson, Transportation Engineering Manager · packet pp.41–66

Topics: TransportationTrees

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Staff report:

Introduce the Landscaping Standards and provide an overview of the proposed modifications.

5. REPORTS

Board Work Plan

Staff Report

Chair Report

Youth Report

2011 segments .txt ↗

0:03 ↗ good evening everyone my name is Jo mid

0:05 ↗ I'm the chair of the transportation

0:08 ↗ board start 65

0:13 ↗ October we will start with the

0:18 ↗ minut hased the

0:23 ↗ minut and there's no changes or

0:27 ↗ rision okay well in that case by consent

0:32 ↗ we will approve the minute and we public

0:35 ↗ comment doesn't seem like be anyone here

0:38 ↗ or line so we will get started on the

0:43 ↗ regular

0:44 ↗ business

0:46 ↗ with station area VIs

1:00 ↗ great thank you chair thank you to have

1:01 ↗ for allowing me to speak tonight name is

1:06 ↗ Senor Transportation

1:08 ↗ CL tonight hoping you get your feedback

1:11 ↗ on the draft is Spotlight rail

1:13 ↗ stationary Vision gu

1:15 ↗ princi and had a couple questions for

1:18 ↗ the T first wanted to know if you agree

1:22 ↗ with the vision and guiding principles

1:23 ↗ that

1:24 ↗ presented like you know there's any

1:26 ↗ changes you

1:34 ↗ so just uh for for background and SE

1:38 ↗ this several times at this point um but

1:40 ↗ we are

1:41 ↗ expecting growth in

1:43 ↗ cot specifically we're expecting two3 of

1:46 ↗ new jobs and housing between now and

1:49 ↗ 2050 to be funneled within Central isan

1:52 ↗ neighborhood um more specifically we are

1:55 ↗ looking at the green box which is the

1:58 ↗ regional growth Center

2:01 ↗ bound so this neighborhood is envisioned

2:03 ↗ to be a den walkable and herent

2:06 ↗ neighborhood it will be

2:09 ↗ especially support of of the light rail

2:12 ↗ so this this density will be made

2:14 ↗ possible by the fact that we are

2:16 ↗ expecting high capacity transit in this

2:20 ↗ neighborhood so again this is uh the

2:24 ↗ light rail uh extension that we

2:26 ↗ expecting around 2041 to 44 um so this

2:30 ↗ is the South Kirkland is CL extension

2:34 ↗ this was made possible by a b measure

2:38 ↗ from 2015 called 23 um so the

2:41 ↗ region voted and approved this valid

2:45 ↗ measure which provide funding for high

2:48 ↗ capacity Transit expansion including the

2:50 ↗ development of

2:54 ↗ theal in March Council approved and

2:59 ↗ adopted

3:00 ↗ the light station are planning guide so

3:03 ↗ this is the city's official playbook for

3:06 ↗ future discussions with Transit and

3:08 ↗ amongst other things it includes um

3:11 ↗ information on PR requisit for what the

3:13 ↗ station area should look like in order

3:16 ↗ to be supportive of Light Rail also talk

3:19 ↗ about the project timeline that we're

3:20 ↗ expecting um some key considerations for

3:23 ↗ Central isqua um being that is into the

3:26 ↗ line and um has some very specific um

3:30 ↗ challenges and um and potential benefits

3:34 ↗ that we can of look at some potential St

3:38 ↗ locations and also includes a list of

3:41 ↗ actions that the city plans to take for

3:43 ↗ the next couple years and

3:46 ↗ the just pause here

3:49 ↗ to present any question

3:56 ↗ before um so we are here today to get

3:59 ↗ your inut on the light Ro stationary

4:02 ↗ visioning a

4:04 ↗ principles just to sort of level set

4:07 ↗ when we talk about the station area

4:09 ↗ we're really talking about the half mile

4:11 ↗ the quarter

4:12 ↗ mile vicinity around where a future

4:16 ↗ station you go so this is sort of the

4:18 ↗ area that's considered walkable walking

4:21 ↗ distance of where station is um so in

4:25 ↗ short we're here today to just sort of

4:27 ↗ get a a feel for like what you would

4:30 ↗ hope to see and experience within the

4:35 ↗ station so this is that first action

4:37 ↗ item that was recommended by that

4:39 ↗ planning guide so this is this can be

4:42 ↗ considered the first of many action we

4:45 ↗ will be taking

4:47 ↗ for so to get

4:50 ↗ here St reached out to over 75 uh

4:54 ↗ Community Based organizations and other

4:55 ↗ groups in the community um we held three

5:00 ↗ event we had a really successful

5:03 ↗ MultiLing Community survey we was taken

5:06 ↗ by 85 respondents throughout the

5:09 ↗ community and

5:11 ↗ Beyond we then took learning from each

5:14 ↗ of these steps and we developed focus

5:17 ↗ groups um from these 75 organizations we

5:21 ↗ got some folks from the community that

5:23 ↗ would be uh really good to chat with to

5:26 ↗ really dig into some of these details um

5:29 ↗ specific

5:30 ↗ planning and stationary plan so these

5:32 ↗ seven

5:33 ↗ groups with 28 members represented

5:36 ↗ various interests I'll just read to you

5:40 ↗ um we have folks from the community at

5:42 ↗ large Transit writers Mobility Advocates

5:46 ↗ folks with limited engage proficiency uh

5:49 ↗ Human Services organizations

5:51 ↗ developers major property owners in the

5:54 ↗ community seniors and youth as well as

5:58 ↗ sustainability Advocates so so we got a

6:00 ↗ pretty wide range of voices in the room

6:03 ↗ we really wanted to walk through a lot

6:05 ↗ of these like key issues that were

6:08 ↗ brought up through the station area um

6:11 ↗ planning the uh the planning Playbook

6:15 ↗ that we they working off of I'm really

6:17 ↗ dug into a lot of these details from

6:20 ↗ here as well as through all the comments

6:23 ↗ we reive from the community survey

6:25 ↗ through po EV discussion throughout the

6:27 ↗ last year have now come to this point we

6:31 ↗ like

6:32 ↗ really really funnel down and really

6:35 ↗ like fine tune all the comments we heard

6:37 ↗ and that's reflective of the vision and

6:39 ↗ gu you have in front of you as so I do

6:44 ↗ have a copy in front of us if we want to

6:46 ↗ look at that um I think that many of you

6:50 ↗ have also read this before this meeting

6:52 ↗ but there's a cop as well and just to

6:56 ↗ sort of walk through what we've done so

6:59 ↗ far with the other commissions um so

7:02 ↗ first we ran this set through the

7:05 ↗ economic Vitality commission they had a

7:07 ↗ lot of really good feedback they wanted

7:09 ↗ to be more focused on sustainability and

7:12 ↗ safety so that we added division

7:15 ↗ statement and in this attachment being

7:18 ↗ front of you can see the track changes

7:20 ↗ where all that has been

7:23 ↗ Incorporated other discussion points

7:26 ↗ that they brought up were making sure

7:28 ↗ that U

7:30 ↗ so there there was like two other

7:33 ↗ uh uh guiding principles that were

7:36 ↗ brought together because they were a

7:38 ↗ little bit too similar to each other so

7:39 ↗ that was sort of one um key interest

7:44 ↗ they brought up they're also really

7:46 ↗ interested in making sure that safety

7:48 ↗ accessibility to employment

7:50 ↗ tourism making sure that parking is

7:53 ↗ right side these are all things that

7:54 ↗ were really important to the ecomic

7:57 ↗ Vitality commission that have not been

7:58 ↗ reflected in the guid

8:01 ↗ princip then took all these changes

8:04 ↗ brought it to the PPC they had some

8:06 ↗ other great comments about parking

8:09 ↗ walkability making sure that there's

8:11 ↗ development potential uh more emphasis

8:14 ↗ on sustainability and environmental

8:16 ↗ impact and so

8:19 ↗ on um then this was last week um took

8:24 ↗ all this feedback through to the Human

8:26 ↗ Services Commission and Equity board I

8:28 ↗ had a joint with them again we added

8:31 ↗ more focus on Equity within the vision

8:33 ↗ and guiding principles some words were

8:36 ↗ changed around to emphasize the true

8:39 ↗ meaning of what we're getting at and

8:41 ↗ then more discussion on safety and

8:44 ↗ accessibility and so on

8:46 ↗ so really we we're hoping to just like

8:50 ↗ keep roll with this I think the tab has

8:51 ↗ a lot of good feedback after this and

8:54 ↗ We've ran it through L Bo the commission

8:56 ↗ and this point I'll here

9:07 ↗ it's Ada accessibility but also just

9:10 ↗ general accessibility making sure that

9:13 ↗ the station area access a hug to other

9:22 ↗ as I have a question um just kind of

9:25 ↗ overall I'm curious were there some

9:28 ↗ specific themes I mean I saw some of the

9:31 ↗ comments from the board but in all those

9:34 ↗ popups and all the general communities

9:37 ↗ did you get any

9:38 ↗ surprises finding do you find any

9:40 ↗ conflicts anything that where things

9:42 ↗ were and what were the kind

9:45 ↗ interest the points of contention and um

9:49 ↗ how do you make tradeoff like one of the

9:51 ↗ Comm and Human Services the word the

9:54 ↗ word the word you know like the word

9:56 ↗ soup whatever but um I just kind of

9:59 ↗ curious yeah whether any contentious

10:02 ↗ points are key things or

10:06 ↗ surprises I guess I'm not surprised

10:08 ↗ because I've been doing this for like a

10:10 ↗ year um so I've heard a lot of different

10:13 ↗ opinions on the matter but yeah I mean

10:15 ↗ we're a big community and um there's

10:18 ↗ difference of opinion on how we get that

10:20 ↗ end result um so a lot of concern around

10:24 ↗ Safety and Security in the area what do

10:26 ↗ people mean by that they talking about

10:28 ↗ personal safety from like personal like

10:32 ↗ criminal attacks or they

10:34 ↗ trying cars you know impact like I think

10:38 ↗ it's both it's certainly both um but I

10:41 ↗ think in the way that it typically

10:43 ↗ presented is the concern about um like

10:46 ↗ various activities in the area that's

10:49 ↗ that's sort of been a big topic of

10:52 ↗ discussion this year specifically in

10:54 ↗ like the transit world like um Sound

10:57 ↗ Transit and some County Metro are really

10:59 ↗ trying to make sure that riding

11:01 ↗ theing rail or like

11:04 ↗ a based on like C experience that's sort

11:08 ↗ of the flavor a lot

11:11 ↗ of um just here I'm just gonna keep

11:15 ↗ rolling with the things that I heard um

11:17 ↗ parking was a major concern that was

11:20 ↗ there's a lot of concern about ensuring

11:23 ↗ that the

11:25 ↗ neighborhood continues to be a walkable

11:28 ↗ neighborhood that's really important but

11:30 ↗ also understanding that because it's a

11:33 ↗ is at the end of that line so really

11:37 ↗ like without being too prescriptive like

11:40 ↗ recognizing that parking is going to be

11:43 ↗ a major decision

11:44 ↗ point but this doesn't go so far as to

11:48 ↗ prescribe like how we address that

11:51 ↗ problem there's many ways to address

11:54 ↗ this um but without being to

11:56 ↗ prescriptive because we have we haven't

11:58 ↗ done a full Lo

11:59 ↗ yet just acknowledging we figure that

12:03 ↗ out when you say address like is it the

12:06 ↗ number car parking F or is it having a

12:10 ↗ car par

12:11 ↗ all it's I don't want to be too specific

12:15 ↗ but there's different ways to provide

12:18 ↗ parking you can provide it literally in

12:21 ↗ the center of

12:22 ↗ town would be one scenario or it could

12:25 ↗ be within a proximity

12:29 ↗ it is still a resource but maybe it's

12:31 ↗ not the focal point of of like liation

12:36 ↗ itself so there's many examples around

12:39 ↗ the the region where parking is provided

12:41 ↗ in different ways um sometimes it's not

12:45 ↗ provided at all and there's uh there's

12:50 ↗ you know forecasting you can do to

12:52 ↗ figure out what that parking number will

12:54 ↗ be um but also like we have to

12:57 ↗ acknowledge that like this is a

12:58 ↗ community that like we cherish and we

13:01 ↗ don't want to make it like just a big

13:03 ↗ parking lot for people out so balancing

13:06 ↗ that um while staying true to like the

13:09 ↗ poal can be really important so we want

13:12 ↗ to just sort of keep that in mind as we

13:15 ↗ think about where could go and

13:20 ↗ that relative to like the other

13:23 ↗ competing that we have

13:26 ↗ presented front you think this vision

13:30 ↗ statement helps clarify how you would

13:33 ↗ decide about you mi that work in the

13:36 ↗ middle of parking lot versus no parking

13:43 ↗ forer than just walk yeah I don't I

13:46 ↗ don't think that the vision statements

13:48 ↗ nor the guing principles uh are too

13:51 ↗ prescriptive but they do sort of

13:53 ↗ describe the different forces that play

13:57 ↗ and taken all

13:59 ↗ together it's clear that like we

14:02 ↗ probably don't want Central to be just a

14:04 ↗ huge parking lot because that wouldn't

14:07 ↗ make it a

14:09 ↗ lockable friendly

14:12 ↗ area but we do acknowledge that parking

14:15 ↗ is super important especially for folks

14:18 ↗ that don't live within walking distance

14:21 ↗ that station area so

14:23 ↗ yeah when I read I think that there's

14:25 ↗ some foundational aspects missing that

14:27 ↗ would lead to

14:30 ↗ establishing some tenants that would be

14:32 ↗ useful

14:34 ↗ to decision makers for how part put for

14:37 ↗ example and mainly the reason we're

14:41 ↗ putting in light rail in region in

14:43 ↗ general because the region grow we need

14:46 ↗ a scale res solution where you don't

14:49 ↗ overwhelm Transportation now from the

14:52 ↗ Transportation specific

14:54 ↗ perspective we need to I think

14:56 ↗ specifically saying here that we're

14:58 ↗ expecting

14:59 ↗ growth we want to focus that growth in

15:01 ↗ areas where we can build an

15:04 ↗ efficient scalable

15:08 ↗ Network and I think when you get to that

15:11 ↗ point where you know that sort of

15:12 ↗ statement is in here get on that that

15:15 ↗ helps guide a lot of you know do you do

15:18 ↗ that as like an intermediary where

15:20 ↗ people are driving to it but

15:23 ↗ then I think it forces you to do that

15:26 ↗ forecasting point if we need that gu

15:29 ↗ have we achieved this sustainable you

15:32 ↗ know scalable efficient Network by

15:35 ↗ putting in that work or

15:40 ↗ not yeah just add that idea the intent

15:44 ↗ is to build off this build off of the

15:47 ↗ vision and guiding principles to have

15:50 ↗ specific like things that we can

15:54 ↗ measure um I I hear what you're saying

15:56 ↗ though I think that's a really good

15:57 ↗ point no no point in here you say

16:01 ↗ Building light so that we can support

16:03 ↗ more people in the region

16:07 ↗ sure

16:10 ↗ ior think kind adding say a little bit

16:15 ↗ of I guess conflict about whether this

16:18 ↗ is like something where you want like

16:21 ↗ lot or not in the document that's

16:23 ↗ another thing under ability and

16:26 ↗ connectivity guidance principle first

16:28 ↗ line

16:30 ↗ that b

16:34 ↗ be but then in the community part part

16:38 ↗ three of the document says that

16:42 ↗ the St should ody the charm of this cost

16:46 ↗ that's almost kind of conflicting

16:49 ↗ because one thing we need to make this a

16:52 ↗ regional

17:03 ↗ are you just it sounds like you don't

17:07 ↗ think right no I think that they can be

17:10 ↗ but I'm just like off of

17:17 ↗ this might help to have to give examples

17:20 ↗ of like that done

17:24 ↗ job I

17:29 ↗ I can't think of good example

18:05 ↗ just want to go back to the public input

18:08 ↗ uh did you get primarily business resid

18:12 ↗ or did you also get like people

18:16 ↗ that other yeah I I don't have the

18:19 ↗ figures in front of me I believe it's an

18:21 ↗ attachment there's specific but

18:24 ↗ uming my brain here I think it was like

18:29 ↗ 10 were you trying to reach sh

18:31 ↗ Community um we were actually we were

18:33 ↗ getting very broad so I think we got

18:35 ↗ people back from like 30 cities in the

18:38 ↗ area um primarily it was spish if I

18:42 ↗ remember correctly uh we did get a lot

18:45 ↗ of like red

18:47 ↗ and so we we got it from all over the

18:49 ↗ region I um it was very broad

18:54 ↗ feedb

18:56 ↗ yeah resp

19:19 ↗ yeah is this something that

19:41 ↗ was in this that was group tet what we

19:49 ↗ are I

19:56 ↗ know yeah other um T equivalent we're

20:00 ↗ not specifically reached out to um at

20:04 ↗ this point we're really focused on just

20:05 ↗ sort of

20:07 ↗ getting our community Vision on what

20:10 ↗ we're look to get down transit will

20:12 ↗ certainly be reaching out to other area

20:14 ↗ cities um but our goal is really to get

20:17 ↗ ahead of all that and say okay this is

20:20 ↗ what we want um you know couple steps

20:23 ↗ forward after after we do like sort of

20:25 ↗ finalize all this our intent is to

20:29 ↗ develop a study to like dig into those

20:32 ↗ details come up with a couple

20:35 ↗ Alternatives that the community like

20:38 ↗ interested in will then refine like how

20:42 ↗ our community like prer alternative will

20:46 ↗ be

20:49 ↗ lar

20:55 ↗ be I'm just going to say that I think I

20:58 ↗ feel like this issue

21:00 ↗ about parking is kind of the road but

21:04 ↗ generally serving the Greater Community

21:05 ↗ versus building this vision for the city

21:08 ↗ M it's like the central conflict and

21:11 ↗ challenge of this whole thing and I'm

21:13 ↗ wondering if that should be a little bit

21:16 ↗ more this just sounds like wonderful it'

21:19 ↗ be wonderful if we could do all this

21:21 ↗ it's like um but I just wonder if it

21:24 ↗ might be

21:25 ↗ useful to identify that challenge right

21:29 ↗ Vision you know in the the overview of

21:33 ↗ the vision statement visiones but be

21:37 ↗ explicit so that looking really thinking

21:40 ↗ about this for a long time and I mean

21:43 ↗ hopefully this has been done before I

21:45 ↗ don't I'm having a lot people wrapping

21:47 ↗ my head around how it's not going to be

21:49 ↗ this giant parking area for people

21:52 ↗ coming from elsewhere and I'm all for

21:54 ↗ all these Community aspects but I don't

21:56 ↗ know how you hold the L I think a lot of

21:59 ↗ political will I think um and it just

22:02 ↗ seems like when might as well start

22:03 ↗ having that discussion about how

22:04 ↗ challenging that is right from the get

22:14 ↗ go infastructure

22:24 ↗ that

22:27 ↗ don't goal of

22:30 ↗ conne

22:55 ↗ with we approach this

23:01 ↗ right

23:22 ↗ now of more person people to come in and

23:27 ↗ take out

23:29 ↗ that's the

23:35 ↗ way

23:57 ↗ soel um just I was going to add to the

23:59 ↗ thought about you know connection to the

24:02 ↗ station area we are

24:04 ↗ expecting better

24:06 ↗ connected to connect there will be an

24:11 ↗ alternative in the

24:13 ↗ future what we are we're told this is

24:17 ↗ playing out in other communi that just

24:18 ↗ got rail Services

24:26 ↗ being to

24:30 ↗ person

24:32 ↗ so all that to say there are things

24:35 ↗ happening uh that will that will also

24:39 ↗ support not e to drive but we also do

24:42 ↗ acknowledge that like some people we

24:44 ↗ will not have options to not drive so we

24:49 ↗ want to Grapple with that to make sure

24:51 ↗ that this really once in a lifetime

24:56 ↗ investment in the community for like

24:58 ↗ taking advantage of it we're doing it

25:00 ↗ right because we will not do this

25:06 ↗ again I think maybe one of the way

25:11 ↗ that guide the

25:14 ↗ conversation make some statements that

25:16 ↗ people might say and then talking about

25:18 ↗ how many people are going to say that

25:19 ↗ after

25:21 ↗ we FL rail station for

25:24 ↗ example now I don't need a car to live

25:27 ↗ in

25:29 ↗ right how many people are going say

25:31 ↗ that or my time is

25:35 ↗ increased these are sort of like Micro

25:39 ↗ microeconomic

25:41 ↗ Focus where they the perspective of an

25:44 ↗ individual those a macro versions of

25:46 ↗ this like now is can support an extra

25:50 ↗ 50% you know people living in this

25:52 ↗ people work in for extra 10,000 people

25:55 ↗ can now work in this area

25:59 ↗ and then there's primary and secondary

26:02 ↗ effects the primary effects be like yeah

26:05 ↗ I take the directly secondary would be

26:09 ↗ well I don't I can't take a light rail

26:11 ↗ but now I can drive on 9 because you

26:13 ↗ know 10,000 people taking

26:16 ↗ the so you can across you say what are

26:20 ↗ we really going to achieve with it very

26:22 ↗ direct statement this specifically is

26:25 ↗ achieved by

26:29 ↗ I think I think you can speak some of

26:31 ↗ those

26:33 ↗ is yeah running up against the at

26:37 ↗ Point those are

26:40 ↗ very the top five

26:51 ↗ youi uh yes I did uh my one comment is

26:56 ↗ that I think in general the traffic is

26:57 ↗ going to increase increase and even if

26:59 ↗ we have light rail it's not going to

27:00 ↗ free up I90 uh or other roads that much

27:04 ↗ but it is going to accommodate uh more

27:06 ↗ of the increase in traffic and demand

27:09 ↗ whether it's on the road or on rail so

27:11 ↗ that's um even though we we increase

27:14 ↗ busways uh transitways bat Lanes or rail

27:18 ↗ it's still with increase of population

27:19 ↗ the roads are still going to be

27:20 ↗ conjested against people different

27:22 ↗ alternative uh to get

27:24 ↗ in or to go from one place another

27:28 ↗ um so you don't want to compare like

27:31 ↗ 2024 with 2040

27:34 ↗ whatever because obviously we're change

27:37 ↗ that but I think there is a way to

27:39 ↗ compare Alternatives you projecting say

27:43 ↗ you know you more projecting this and

27:44 ↗ now project this so This many people

27:47 ↗ have their projected can

27:58 ↗ you want to turn to

28:01 ↗ that about

28:03 ↗ the you were playing out first

28:11 ↗ partal the

28:15 ↗ discussing

28:17 ↗ the

28:19 ↗ right that language there with the

28:36 ↗ add cont I probably should have

28:39 ↗ mentioned

28:40 ↗ previously these guys three these all

28:44 ↗ like key things that just been

28:46 ↗ throughout this process

28:48 ↗ so acessibility and connectivity this

28:51 ↗ really just talked about like the

28:53 ↗ transit Hub making sure that there's

28:55 ↗ like you know different options to get

28:58 ↗ to that Transit Hub acknowledging that

29:00 ↗ like Sound Transit is bringing it here

29:02 ↗ because they want to provide service

29:05 ↗ they don't they're not as focused on

29:07 ↗ like sort of how the neighborhood

29:10 ↗ develops around it but this is just like

29:12 ↗ that first part connection like

29:14 ↗ literally Transportation connection

29:17 ↗ second one is talking about the typ of

29:19 ↗ way and sort of like the bi that you get

29:23 ↗ in the

29:24 ↗ area um and then the third one is about

29:28 ↗ like the way that you feel in that area

29:31 ↗ um making sure that uh the station

29:35 ↗ itself really does feel like an

29:37 ↗ extension of the community um examples

29:40 ↗ that we see are like

29:42 ↗ um like atap for when you're driving

29:44 ↗ from 99s they have like that are like bu

29:48 ↗ they're like just an art feature that

29:51 ↗ feels like it's yeah it's an ugly

29:53 ↗ parking lot but St on it so they have

29:55 ↗ some like some like what it is to be in

30:00 ↗ this area so the the Community

30:04 ↗ Connection can be sort

30:06 ↗ of felt when you're like when you're

30:10 ↗ standing at that feel like like around

30:14 ↗ like that's that's a really poor example

30:17 ↗ but like the one I thought very well um

30:21 ↗ so the stage yeah these were like sort

30:23 ↗ of the three uh really main features um

30:28 ↗ so you can uh OB you can say like yeah

30:31 ↗ there's like

30:32 ↗ um it doesn't seem to like match up with

30:36 ↗ like

30:38 ↗ talking Regional

30:45 ↗ also that's something that can be like

30:47 ↗ sort of fleshed out a little bit more in

30:49 ↗ terms of like what that might look like

30:52 ↗ um but yeah this is basically just a

30:55 ↗ reflection of like all the different

30:57 ↗ flavors

31:13 ↗ question have any particular service

31:16 ↗ objections amount of service that we

31:18 ↗ need to hit before they actually age

31:20 ↗ like the next like to project 20,000 day

31:26 ↗ they they do have projection um I don't

31:28 ↗ have the numbers in front of me I think

31:30 ↗ it was like

31:32 ↗ 8,000

31:34 ↗ writers at our

31:38 ↗ station it was fairly low but it's

31:40 ↗ because it's at the so it's sort of just

31:44 ↗ like yeah yeah and and so we would at

31:48 ↗ some point we get the argument that yeah

31:50 ↗ so many of those are locally walking to

31:54 ↗ the station or riding bus or driving AP

31:57 ↗ from

31:58 ↗ we know what that distribution is G look

32:01 ↗ like there's there's forecasting it's

32:04 ↗ pretty it's not very accurate um it's

32:08 ↗ basically like a linear growth from like

32:12 ↗ what they be around the reg now so it's

32:15 ↗ it's not super accurate um it'll get

32:18 ↗ more accurate as time goes on um but the

32:23 ↗ modal split expect it's kind of hard to

32:26 ↗ say at this point you can imagine part

32:28 ↗ of vision might be take and

32:32 ↗ say % walking

32:55 ↗ 10% what those the experience other C

32:59 ↗ like their

33:03 ↗ experiences yeah um the ones that come

33:06 ↗ to mind are like really bad examples of

33:08 ↗ like what you want to do and our gu are

33:12 ↗ B example

33:14 ↗ in yeah um the one that comes to mind

33:18 ↗ that we are learning

33:20 ↗ from

33:22 ↗ is Eng

33:24 ↗ gold the

33:26 ↗ line yeah um so they

33:30 ↗ basically they got Light Rail and

33:33 ↗ development Network came which is like a

33:36 ↗ huge parking lot for many of the

33:40 ↗ communi to

33:42 ↗ reach that's sort

33:44 ↗ of I think what the community would hope

33:47 ↗ not to get we would like to see

33:50 ↗ development because I mean Engle lake

33:52 ↗ has this opportunity to like really grow

33:55 ↗ and like have really

33:58 ↗ targeted growth near the light station

34:01 ↗ and like nothing ever

34:04 ↗ happened it could just a different

34:06 ↗ product at the time but

34:09 ↗ like a little bit but it really like has

34:12 ↗ not

34:15 ↗ become um and like this sad like a

34:20 ↗ smaller Community also in the line and

34:23 ↗ there's like natural features that we

34:24 ↗ really cherish people left Mountain like

34:28 ↗ hiking like activities out

34:30 ↗ here and that's sort of a way like we

34:33 ↗ can we can have that and being one of

34:36 ↗ the focal points is like this is your

34:39 ↗ access to the mountain this is your ski

34:43 ↗ Lake to the mountain that could be one

34:46 ↗ way that we approach it um while still

34:49 ↗ maintaining like what we all appreciate

34:52 ↗ about the community um or we could just

34:57 ↗ uh

34:58 ↗ sort of keep that in the center of our

35:02 ↗ decision making and just

35:05 ↗ trans a 500 parking lot and a

35:11 ↗ massive

35:13 ↗ station and then we sort of that like

35:16 ↗ that be other

35:23 ↗ alternative yeah it doesn't it doesn't

35:25 ↗ seem great because the community really

35:27 ↗ not like Engle Lake did not benefit

35:29 ↗ really that

35:30 ↗ much and now you have

35:32 ↗ more and like nothing to show for it

35:46 ↗ really

35:47 ↗ know yeah it's a little early to tell um

35:52 ↗ I think open not too long ago like

35:55 ↗ August 30th um so yeah we're we're

35:58 ↗ learning uh every time it stational um

36:02 ↗ I'm trying to go out and write it and

36:04 ↗ like community members are writing it

36:06 ↗ and like it's been great like some of

36:09 ↗ the Bookers groups that I had that was

36:11 ↗ the

36:12 ↗ time starter Line open um so a lot of

36:15 ↗ conversations were like really highly we

36:19 ↗ were talking about you know so station

36:22 ↗ really like that the station didn't like

36:24 ↗ that like why didn't you like it like

36:26 ↗ well because

36:29 ↗ so yeah as uh you know we're we're

36:33 ↗ assuming and as far as we know s trans

36:37 ↗ telling us like 2027 that's we going

36:39 ↗ approach

36:41 ↗ City and every year between now and then

36:44 ↗ we'll be updating our guiding document

36:47 ↗ making sure that it's little

36:50 ↗ fresh we're going to be meeting with

36:55 ↗ staff staff making sure that um there's

36:58 ↗ anything they learned along the way that

37:02 ↗ but there's lots of good things to know

37:05 ↗ about like how things are Shen out trans

37:07 ↗ but

37:08 ↗ also ultimately you want to make sure

37:11 ↗ that it feels

37:13 ↗ great some examples are like red that

37:17 ↗ they were able to work with Sound

37:19 ↗ Transit because they wanted this key

37:21 ↗ feature conect their station so they

37:24 ↗ work with s transit to um add on to

37:28 ↗ their project because they like if we

37:32 ↗ add on to this at this time we can save

37:36 ↗ money by like adding on to your contract

37:39 ↗ with whatever construction company like

37:41 ↗ build a

37:42 ↗ station that was like one example of

37:44 ↗ like something that another city did and

37:47 ↗ it's at the right time and like they

37:50 ↗ were able to like really improve and

37:52 ↗ make that opition like feel like a

37:55 ↗ genuine extension of like

37:59 ↗ from architectural point of view or yeah

38:03 ↗ yeah so like R for example there's a

38:06 ↗ connection to I think it's

38:10 ↗ the there's an office like across the

38:13 ↗ highway um so they have like little

38:16 ↗ painted

38:18 ↗ pieces shoot I forget which company is

38:21 ↗ but it's almost like 8 bit because it's

38:23 ↗ like computer it's like computer pixel

38:26 ↗ so it feels like yeah like naturally

38:29 ↗ like this is where there's a tech

38:31 ↗ company across the street and like this

38:34 ↗ walkway feels like you're like walking

38:36 ↗ through a pated like

38:40 ↗ feature which is just one example but

38:42 ↗ like it makes sense for

38:44 ↗ that oh yeah

38:48 ↗ naturally are you looking at other

38:53 ↗ studies outside our region as well in

38:56 ↗ terms

38:58 ↗ particular

39:02 ↗ so our

39:04 ↗ commun getting link up into

39:09 ↗ larger most of the research was in this

39:12 ↗ community just based on like previous of

39:15 ↗ projects but um down transit assuming

39:19 ↗ that they receive federal funding we'll

39:21 ↗ follow over

39:23 ↗ speciic timeline so the timeline

39:25 ↗ assumptions that we have are based on

39:27 ↗ Federal Fally funded Transit project so

39:32 ↗ I think that kind of answers your

39:33 ↗ question like the learning that we got

39:36 ↗ from that is because like funding from

39:39 ↗ other Transit

39:51 ↗ agencies at

40:03 ↗ do we

40:26 ↗ agree I know

40:35 ↗ I don't know I think image certain level

40:38 ↗ that but I think a lot here

40:42 ↗ [Music]

41:09 ↗ yeah no no comment it's I think it's

41:15 ↗ good and any

41:17 ↗ other feedb whether you agree

41:28 ↗ there's a lot of potential for other

41:29 ↗ complect to be ined this as well

41:33 ↗ so local walking verus reg

41:41 ↗ driving it seems like a vision statement

41:44 ↗ is most useful that

41:47 ↗ help

41:49 ↗ to the fact that it's not really on

41:55 ↗ what that

42:04 ↗ the

42:07 ↗ conversation you're going to get

42:09 ↗ discussion to

42:23 ↗ happen and then start engag

42:55 ↗ op yeah one

43:00 ↗ more we're kind of talking about this

43:02 ↗ kind of like a

43:04 ↗ point but there's also a lot of stuff

43:06 ↗ proing going after that so like

43:09 ↗ establishing time frame for especially

43:11 ↗ the GR in the area right now there's

43:14 ↗ basically no

43:16 ↗ residential within that half

43:20 ↗ mile talking about show up we show up

43:24 ↗ five years before show up

43:30 ↗ and we just add we've been really

43:33 ↗ planning fre growth in central for a

43:36 ↗ long time and Council

43:39 ↗ has approved the paneer program to tr

43:42 ↗ first grow but um we've been we've been

43:46 ↗ hoping for it we've been we've been

43:48 ↗ trying to make it a great environment to

43:50 ↗ do business like develop the market for

43:54 ↗ have

43:54 ↗ not cooperated

43:57 ↗ can't really add much of a timeline

43:59 ↗ other than like we

44:01 ↗ hope

44:04 ↗ want try to shift from hopes to identify

44:09 ↗ Tendencies vision is going to fall apart

44:11 ↗ if we don't have a certain am grow by

44:16 ↗ certain and there's the two are also

44:19 ↗ coupled in a way that like set Vision we

44:22 ↗ expect to have this amount of

44:24 ↗ residential here I can SP that Dev

44:29 ↗ people thinking about what you're

44:31 ↗ walking more more than coun

45:06 ↗ somebody Chang

45:09 ↗ the

45:11 ↗ CH

45:16 ↗ form yeah it could be a possibility

45:24 ↗ track I did yeah yeah appreciate your

45:27 ↗ time um just wanted to add one last note

45:31 ↗ um our goal is to take this to city

45:34 ↗ council The Next Step um in the first

45:38 ↗ quarter of next year so between now and

45:41 ↗ then we'll just be refining

45:43 ↗ it open to more feedback if you had

45:46 ↗ anything of this meeting that

45:49 ↗ you just wanted to share with you

45:54 ↗ later thank you for your time appreciate

45:56 ↗ it

45:58 ↗ thank

46:00 ↗ you

46:02 ↗ okay I

46:04 ↗ will break me a little bit

46:09 ↗ we join

46:21 ↗ us we hate doing

46:23 ↗ that um first thank you for all you did

46:26 ↗ that was a conversation I love that I'm

46:28 ↗ so excited for first quarter and and it

46:31 ↗ coming back because um I I just like two

46:36 ↗ times where I had to sit in my

46:39 ↗ hand but um no this is great thank you

46:42 ↗ for the invitation to join you because

46:44 ↗ this is um you know this is we get so

46:47 ↗ much input from the boards of commission

46:49 ↗ and as the chair of the mobility

46:51 ↗ infrastructure um the tab is clearly um

46:55 ↗ our biggest feeder

46:57 ↗ board so we get um lots of information

47:00 ↗ from you and it's just wonderful to see

47:02 ↗ you all a in person and then B and most

47:05 ↗ importantly just to listen to The

47:07 ↗ Exchange and the thoughtful dialogue

47:09 ↗ that's going on it's like how do you

47:11 ↗ deal with something that's

47:13 ↗ um

47:14 ↗ incredibly

47:16 ↗ uh

47:17 ↗ amorphous um almost let say 15 years

47:21 ↗ feel an optimistic day 15 years away and

47:24 ↗ with all and I love the conversation

47:26 ↗ about the pro because there's a lot of

47:28 ↗ potential like is it this or that or how

47:30 ↗ do I resolve them so I think one of the

47:32 ↗ big challenges we're going to have as we

47:33 ↗ move forward with this is at some point

47:36 ↗ we have to put one anybody Camp they put

47:39 ↗ the tent at one point you got to get one

47:41 ↗ corner of the tent down you never get

47:42 ↗ any down so at one point we're going to

47:45 ↗ have to nail in our first corner of the

47:47 ↗ tent so that we can then lay out the

47:49 ↗ rest of the tent and I think that the

47:51 ↗ hardest one and I this kind of my sense

47:54 ↗ of the conversation I just turned was

47:56 ↗ okay how do we start to nail down those

47:57 ↗ first uh those first things so we can

47:59 ↗ start building so thank you for inviting

48:02 ↗ me I'm enjoying the conversation um I

48:04 ↗ also if you have any questions for me

48:06 ↗ I'm certainly happy to answer them I you

48:09 ↗ guys are amazing worked with them for

48:12 ↗ years thank you for joining us and I

48:16 ↗ hope you enjoy I I know the next one I

48:18 ↗ know I'm going enjoy because we heard

48:20 ↗ this one already and we kicked it back

48:23 ↗ um because um uh just a little

48:26 ↗ foreshadowing according to John John's

48:30 ↗ um um this is one where we were going to

48:33 ↗ do the Street St on spot up right and

48:35 ↗ we're gonna have to you know to do form

48:38 ↗ with the street pit we're have to cut

48:39 ↗ down all the streets it's like that's

48:41 ↗ dumb we're not doing that but we needed

48:43 ↗ to have some some sort of guiding

48:46 ↗ principles and some sort of something

48:48 ↗ that we could put into an ordinance so

48:49 ↗ we had something to point to and a here

48:53 ↗ are the conditions under which we we're

48:55 ↗ not going to be you know we're going to

48:57 ↗ have an exception instead of saying well

48:59 ↗ we don't like this one so we're going to

49:00 ↗ ex that we want to have some some

49:02 ↗ criteria so I'm this is not that that

49:04 ↗ one wasn't cool but this is what I'm

49:07 ↗ looking forward to so thank you thank

49:15 ↗ you that

49:28 ↗ okay well you know me I'm John friend

49:31 ↗ transmiss program coordinator I'm

49:33 ↗ joining this evening by John W you know

49:35 ↗ as well transportation engineering

49:37 ↗ manager uh we're going to give you an

49:38 ↗ introduction to Street standards

49:40 ↗ Landscaping the big discussion will be

49:43 ↗ next month November but want to bring an

49:47 ↗ intro to this topic for

49:50 ↗ you time we

49:52 ↗ go so the purpose of this presentation

49:55 ↗ this evening is that the landscape

49:57 ↗ standards and to provide an overview of

49:59 ↗ the proposed

50:02 ↗ modifications Direction needed is for

50:05 ↗ next meeting we wanted to get these

50:07 ↗ questions and ideas kind of planted uh

50:10 ↗ during this session so you can be

50:12 ↗ thinking about it during the

50:13 ↗ presentation uh and throughout the month

50:16 ↗ as well um so those questions are does

50:19 ↗ Tab support creating specific project

50:21 ↗ types that would be exempt from the

50:23 ↗ standards required for development or

50:25 ↗ redevelopments the stab support not

50:27 ↗ adding a landscape strip to protect

50:29 ↗ mature trees the stab support not adding

50:31 ↗ a landscape strip to protect Wetlands as

50:33 ↗ a part of wetlands mitigation sequencing

50:37 ↗ um uh based on M's direction as he

50:42 ↗ mentioned uh are these the right guard

50:44 ↗ rails and are there areas concerned

50:47 ↗ missing from

50:50 ↗ the so first we're going to run through

50:53 ↗ standards very exciting um so first here

50:57 ↗ we have from the sest street standards

50:59 ↗ design section F I'll just read it out

51:02 ↗ uh Landscaping in the form of planning

51:04 ↗ strips with Street trees shall be

51:06 ↗ required consistent with imc1 18 6670

51:10 ↗ landscape requirements on public

51:12 ↗ properties and rway this typically

51:14 ↗ includes a minimum 5 foot wide planning

51:17 ↗ strip with Street trees between the curb

51:19 ↗ and the side block for landscaping

51:22 ↗ and the city engineering community

51:25 ↗ Planning and Development Direct May

51:26 ↗ approve a deviation to reduce the

51:28 ↗ landscape Sur

51:31 ↗ reir switching over to the municipal

51:35 ↗ code 18 60617 that was mentioned um all

51:39 ↗ pedestrian facilities must be buffered

51:41 ↗ with trees and shrubs appropriate size

51:43 ↗ scale plant of type and character to the

51:45 ↗ type of facility or sub area Street

51:48 ↗ trees must be planted in a planting

51:50 ↗ strip with a minimum between the

51:51 ↗ sidewalk and the back of the curb and

51:53 ↗ Street trees are required for all

51:55 ↗ project applications required to provide

51:57 ↗ Frontage Improvement the rights of way

51:59 ↗ unless the director approves a deviation

52:01 ↗ in accordance with imc1 18

52:05 ↗ 60610 that says uh an applicant May

52:09 ↗ request a deviation from the street tree

52:11 ↗ requirements uh in that code if all the

52:15 ↗ criteria over that code and the

52:16 ↗ following Criterion is met the applicant

52:19 ↗ demonstrate the deviation

52:22 ↗ public and that's the only deviation

52:24 ↗ reason

52:28 ↗ so then going back to Street standards

52:30 ↗ uh Street Frontage improvements are

52:32 ↗ required for all new development and

52:33 ↗ Redevelopment including any development

52:36 ↗ as a conversion of use from residential

52:38 ↗ to non-residential except for any single

52:41 ↗ family construction on exting Long such

52:43 ↗ improvements may include but not limited

52:46 ↗ to curb and gutter sidewalk Street storm

52:49 ↗ drainage Street illumination system uh

52:51 ↗ traffic signal modification relocation

52:54 ↗ or installation utility relocation and

52:56 ↗ undergrounding Street trees landscaping

52:59 ↗ and irrigation bike facilities and

53:01 ↗ Street widening per all these

53:03 ↗ STS so what does all that mean how does

53:06 ↗ it impact what we're talking

53:08 ↗ about so in our conversations uh

53:11 ↗ specifically kind of steming out of the

53:13 ↗ squat Mountain project um CBD has

53:16 ↗ determined that the only only a safety

53:18 ↗ issue can warrant a deviation away from

53:21 ↗ the plant

53:22 ↗ rule uh recommended designs for the

53:25 ↗ squat Mountain project

53:27 ↗ we got permission to move forward with

53:30 ↗ those that don't include the pler due to

53:33 ↗ the impacts of up to 179 trees and 231

53:37 ↗ estimated Ro

53:39 ↗ impacts uh having a state the only

53:41 ↗ deviation for planner strips increases

53:43 ↗ impacts on the environment and neighbor

53:45 ↗ driveways in

53:48 ↗ y how does that like how does this

53:50 ↗ compared to our actual City policies and

53:52 ↗ goals so in the climate action plan

53:56 ↗ prior prioritizing the retention of

53:57 ↗ trees and our comprehensive plan there's

54:01 ↗ we want to protect National environment

54:03 ↗ from negative impact of human activities

54:06 ↗ maintain the forest of character of

54:07 ↗ older neighborhoods that includes s and

54:10 ↗ conserve and protect environmentally

54:12 ↗ critical

54:15 ↗ areas so now we're going to run through

54:18 ↗ some of the criteria that we're thinking

54:19 ↗ about changing uh just to kind of give

54:21 ↗ you an idea where we're where we're

54:23 ↗ coming from so this is a Northwest Maple

54:27 ↗ Street there's a big quite aable Wetland

54:30 ↗ area over there so this is what would

54:32 ↗ happen if we wanted to basically

54:36 ↗ redevelop this area or improve even this

54:40 ↗ this area we would have to under this

54:43 ↗ these Street standards basically extend

54:46 ↗ into that weapon area in order to be put

54:48 ↗ in that Min strip otherwise we can't

54:50 ↗ touch that sidewalk all those I think

54:56 ↗ in the code uh we we have avoiding

55:00 ↗ impacts statement about avoiding impacts

55:02 ↗ of wetlands minimizing impacts to

55:04 ↗ Wetlands and Associated buffers and

55:07 ↗ again mitigating for impacts to Wetlands

55:09 ↗ we have several of these pieces that

55:12 ↗ highlight

55:15 ↗ that this uh slide is from my

55:18 ↗ presentation to uh M and so or the CC um

55:24 ↗ to to them to the council members um so

55:26 ↗ this is from the squawk Mountain

55:28 ↗ non-motorized Improvement project um so

55:32 ↗ basically this is a three just a 300

55:35 ↗ foot stretch of Mount Columbus and uh

55:40 ↗ the way it's laed out here is from the

55:43 ↗ center line what are the required

55:46 ↗ elements that we would have to include

55:47 ↗ if we wanted to if we want to if we were

55:50 ↗ to redevelop this this

55:52 ↗ street um so we have the road ride of

55:56 ↗ way the bike lane or shoulder landscape

56:00 ↗ strip and then the sidewalk on both of

56:02 ↗ these sides the red are driveways that

56:06 ↗ would be impacted some of them would get

56:10 ↗ steeper Etc and then the orange dots are

56:15 ↗ eyeballed uh not exact but pretty close

56:19 ↗ all the trees that would be impacted or

56:21 ↗ probably need to be removed uh along

56:24 ↗ this 300 SE 300 foot

56:27 ↗ section um but this this presents a

56:31 ↗ major problem because this uh you know

56:34 ↗ the overlay of the the tree canopy a

56:37 ↗ sizable amount of canopy in the

56:42 ↗ piure uh our code has plenty of tree

56:46 ↗ protections uh tree tree cany coverage

56:50 ↗ minimum tree retention requirement and

56:52 ↗ uh also we are required to whatever tree

56:55 ↗ we remove we have to replace it

56:57 ↗ somewhere else in that sub area um so

57:00 ↗ for example if we we were take out all

57:03 ↗ these trees we' have to replant these

57:05 ↗ somewhere else on squawk and squawk is

57:07 ↗ very for so might prove an issue we like

57:13 ↗ it so now I'm going to turn it over to

57:15 ↗ John talk about Rehabilitation yeah yeah

57:18 ↗ so one of the things that for one

57:20 ↗ talking the tab about next month is

57:23 ↗ creating within the street standards

57:25 ↗ different class ation or types of

57:27 ↗ projects to distinguish between projects

57:30 ↗ where we're redeveloping or developing

57:32 ↗ the street and other types of projects

57:36 ↗ like rehabil or yeah Rehabilitation

57:38 ↗ projects and so got a couple examples

57:41 ↗ that I wanted to introduce you to the

57:44 ↗ first one is on

57:47 ↗ 19 yeah

57:50 ↗ 191 190th 19th yeah oh 190 so there's

57:54 ↗ 190th and 193 if you're at the zoo start

57:58 ↗ heading up the mountains the roads

58:00 ↗ really rough there's a landslide area

58:03 ↗ Reed geotechnical engineering

58:06 ↗ Consultants earlier this year to look at

58:08 ↗ it they came up with a fix and in this

58:13 ↗ area it makes sense that we want to take

58:15 ↗ care of the road but we don't want to

58:19 ↗ there's no connections there's plenty of

58:22 ↗ trees so we don't need Street trees and

58:25 ↗ so just a codify into the street

58:27 ↗ standards that these projects would be

58:30 ↗ treated differently that the focus would

58:32 ↗ be

58:33 ↗ on

58:35 ↗ preserving existing infrastructure and

58:39 ↗ not changing the function of the

58:42 ↗ street next slide and so just kind of

58:47 ↗ similar to what John showed earlier this

58:48 ↗ just a crosssection view of it of what a

58:52 ↗ fully developed Street would look like

58:55 ↗ like 190

58:56 ↗ where we'd have planner strip sidewalk

58:59 ↗ but we're just wanting to take care of

59:01 ↗ the existing infastructure or that's

59:04 ↗ propos we want your feedback on the next

59:08 ↗ slide another one that fits into the

59:12 ↗ rehabilitation project is the black

59:15 ↗ nuget retaining Mall project this is the

59:18 ↗ aerial photo of it is the retaining mall

59:21 ↗ behind Fred Meer and it's a wall that

59:25 ↗ the city has project to replace next

59:29 ↗ slide and so we hired a consultant and

59:32 ↗ helping us with the design and from an

59:35 ↗ economic point of

59:37 ↗ view the best way to stabilize that

59:40 ↗ retaining wall is to actually build a

59:42 ↗ rettin wall d project and then that

59:44 ↗ really limits the space

59:46 ↗ because we're not adding room right now

59:49 ↗ there's no planner

59:50 ↗ strip and there's a center turn L and so

59:54 ↗ by putting the retaining ball in front

59:55 ↗ of the existing ring wall the priority

59:58 ↗ is to preserve the existing

1:00:02 ↗ infrastructure there we're not trying to

1:00:03 ↗ redevelop Black

1:00:05 ↗ nugget it makes it so that way really

1:00:08 ↗ the only way you could put in a plan

1:00:09 ↗ scrip would be to

1:00:13 ↗ all the biggest concern is corrosion as

1:00:18 ↗ the

1:00:19 ↗ ti

1:00:21 ↗ okay all right next

1:00:24 ↗ slide and so so in addition to looking

1:00:27 ↗ at

1:00:28 ↗ classifying Rehabilitation projects as a

1:00:31 ↗ separate type of project also wanted to

1:00:34 ↗ get your feedback on do we want to

1:00:36 ↗ create a new type of project called and

1:00:39 ↗ I just called it interim bicycle and

1:00:42 ↗ pedestrian connections and the whole

1:00:44 ↗ idea is going back to the Strategic plan

1:00:46 ↗ the Strategic plan one of the mobility

1:00:48 ↗ objectives is to create near-term

1:00:51 ↗ connections and efficiencies in the

1:00:53 ↗ mobility system and as we start working

1:00:56 ↗ towards that we ran into some object

1:00:59 ↗ obstacles where we're trying to put in

1:01:02 ↗ segments a sidewalk and we're trying to

1:01:04 ↗ be really economical about it and we're

1:01:08 ↗ told when we get to permitting oh you

1:01:10 ↗ need to fully redevelop the street

1:01:14 ↗ Planet as John mentioned earlier there's

1:01:16 ↗ a standard for undergrounding so an

1:01:20 ↗ example of an area that we hear from the

1:01:23 ↗ community a lot about is this Second

1:01:26 ↗ Avenue Northwest and it's a little

1:01:28 ↗ Street connects Jennifer and Holly with

1:01:33 ↗ Gilman Village on the North End and

1:01:36 ↗ Confluence Park on the south end and

1:01:39 ↗ residents who live there would love to

1:01:41 ↗ be able to say we walk to the park or

1:01:44 ↗ the Gil Village maybe get coffee

1:01:47 ↗ lunch and so they through SE with f and

1:01:51 ↗ other ways of reaching out to the city

1:01:52 ↗ to say hey can you build sidewalk right

1:01:55 ↗ now there's a side walk G from the three

1:01:57 ↗ parcels and you can see it on the

1:02:00 ↗ left but if we were to construct that

1:02:05 ↗ sidewalk as the standards and code are

1:02:08 ↗ written now we need to underground the

1:02:10 ↗ overhead utilities and Sol a planner

1:02:13 ↗ strip when I think the request that

1:02:15 ↗ comes from the community is keep that

1:02:18 ↗ existing sidewalk and just connect

1:02:21 ↗ it but and I haven't done a cost

1:02:24 ↗ estimate I'm guessing to fly it versus

1:02:26 ↗ just connect the sidewalk it's probably

1:02:28 ↗ five times more

1:02:31 ↗ expensive and so that's that's why we

1:02:33 ↗ want to look at creating a a type of

1:02:37 ↗ project for interum non-motorized

1:02:39 ↗ connections next slide so as I mentioned

1:02:43 ↗ earlier this just showing what we would

1:02:46 ↗ have to build

1:02:52 ↗ here it gets really expensive next slide

1:02:57 ↗ another one

1:02:58 ↗ that's as an

1:03:00 ↗ example in North Esa where school

1:03:04 ↗ districts has their offices at up at

1:03:08 ↗ 220th as well as

1:03:10 ↗ 51st this is a corridor that does not

1:03:13 ↗ have bicycle facilities right now it's

1:03:15 ↗ supposed to be redeveloped eventually as

1:03:17 ↗ a COR street but if you look at a St the

1:03:20 ↗ heat map there's a lot of people writing

1:03:22 ↗ bites through this Corridor and so would

1:03:25 ↗ be a good place to do an interum Bicycle

1:03:28 ↗ Connection project

1:03:30 ↗ the illustration on the left is showing

1:03:34 ↗ the existing Street where you have a

1:03:36 ↗ center turn lane you've got sidewalk and

1:03:39 ↗ then on the right is a concept of how we

1:03:41 ↗ can create an inter and Bicycle

1:03:43 ↗ Connection where just do some restriping

1:03:46 ↗ remove the center turn Lan and we could

1:03:49 ↗ add b l

1:03:52 ↗ that's and so then this is the cor

1:03:56 ↗ Street this is what we long run we want

1:03:59 ↗ it to look like there's actually a

1:04:01 ↗ development in permitting that will

1:04:03 ↗ build part

1:04:04 ↗ of

1:04:06 ↗ this cor street but there'll still be a

1:04:09 ↗ lot of the cor street that won't be

1:04:12 ↗ constructed and just trying to think of

1:04:15 ↗ how can we more efficiently and safely

1:04:18 ↗ have bicycles in

1:04:22 ↗ pedestrians be able to move around the

1:04:25 ↗ city

1:04:26 ↗ next slide all right that's to you John

1:04:30 ↗ all right so um I mention at the top

1:04:33 ↗ these are the questions that we are

1:04:36 ↗ going to want uh to discuss next month

1:04:40 ↗ but uh at this point if there are any

1:04:42 ↗ questions about anything that be

1:04:44 ↗ presented GNA open up floor just

1:04:47 ↗ to those there

1:04:57 ↗ what

1:05:01 ↗ are yeah

1:05:04 ↗ so I think we would have well we'll put

1:05:07 ↗ it in the materials um next meeting I

1:05:12 ↗ think so I have to look at the schedule

1:05:14 ↗ see if we've got multiple couches on

1:05:15 ↗ this but is initially I'm saying

1:05:18 ↗ Rehabilitation project there would be

1:05:20 ↗ the inter ble

1:05:23 ↗ andri connections we would have

1:05:26 ↗ Redevelopment or new construction head

1:05:29 ↗ projects have full standards I think

1:05:32 ↗ Bridge

1:05:36 ↗ projects

1:05:41 ↗ itard

1:05:43 ↗ yeah I

1:05:46 ↗ think from this initi

1:05:53 ↗ discuss question

1:06:03 ↗ questioning question is it always the

1:06:04 ↗ city that's the actor of the

1:06:07 ↗ applicant for private developers as

1:06:12 ↗ well great question I think that's

1:06:15 ↗ something

1:06:16 ↗ to talk about next

1:06:18 ↗ month it'd be really nice to have kind

1:06:20 ↗ of like a MRI like who's the actor what

1:06:23 ↗ are the restrictions what are the um

1:06:27 ↗ requirements versus acceptable

1:06:31 ↗ exceptions I I think it's yeah good idea

1:06:34 ↗ and as you're asking the question one of

1:06:36 ↗ the things I was thinking about is the

1:06:38 ↗ street standards also apply a parking

1:06:39 ↗ lot and So Below black NE road is red

1:06:44 ↗ Meer and they've got a retaining wall

1:06:46 ↗ that is constructed at the same time as

1:06:48 ↗ the city's retaining wall and how would

1:06:52 ↗ their process of going through getting

1:06:54 ↗ it permitted they wanted to do what

1:06:56 ↗ we're

1:06:57 ↗ doing so start thinking of how do it

1:07:01 ↗ apply both publicly and

1:07:04 ↗ privately presumably we want the same

1:07:07 ↗ rules for the

1:07:10 ↗ two I will say in the past the direction

1:07:13 ↗ we received is to have the same rules

1:07:16 ↗ and so I think that would be a policy

1:07:19 ↗ discussion I for to get feedback but I

1:07:22 ↗ think there's a lot of make things a lot

1:07:26 ↗ easier

1:07:26 ↗ [Music]

1:07:30 ↗ everyone to that

1:07:33 ↗ would the city is going to act certain

1:07:36 ↗ goals in mind that include things like

1:07:38 ↗ improve the tree cat private developers

1:07:41 ↗ are not necessarily have the same

1:07:43 ↗ motivation so might have different

1:07:45 ↗ requirements or different motivation of

1:07:49 ↗ to encourage primate

1:07:51 ↗ development actually material way

1:07:54 ↗ instead of just you know assuming

1:07:58 ↗ that

1:08:05 ↗ act right one why one of the questions

1:08:09 ↗ is are these the right

1:08:13 ↗ guards I wondering what you meant by

1:08:16 ↗ that are these

1:08:18 ↗ meanings

1:08:22 ↗ is so I think that's something that will

1:08:25 ↗ be more

1:08:26 ↗ clear at next meeting as we start

1:08:29 ↗ working through what the guard rails

1:08:30 ↗ would be but one of the things we heard

1:08:32 ↗ from the mobility and infrastructure

1:08:34 ↗ committee is we have standards for a

1:08:36 ↗ reason and so if we're not going to be

1:08:38 ↗ going to the standards we do need to

1:08:39 ↗ have some gs on

1:08:41 ↗ it so as we think about these

1:08:44 ↗ discussions we want to think of what are

1:08:46 ↗ the dark rails because obiously we do

1:08:50 ↗ have standards

1:09:03 ↗ think back I I think one when we're

1:09:07 ↗ doing a big update to the city standards

1:09:09 ↗ that really want to work through the

1:09:12 ↗ process of going to the this case the

1:09:15 ↗ tab appropriate folder getting

1:09:19 ↗ feedback and working its way through the

1:09:21 ↗ committee before then it goes to the

1:09:23 ↗ council so then take a Time do it right

1:09:26 ↗ I think this clock Mountain was so

1:09:28 ↗ obvious as why would you cut down a

1:09:31 ↗ 60-year-old cedar tree to L A decorative

1:09:34 ↗ Street tree but this is really to work

1:09:37 ↗ out the details of less obvious

1:09:41 ↗ circumstances yeah the the two questions

1:09:43 ↗ we brought to council was uh basically

1:09:48 ↗ hey can we take these designs that don't

1:09:51 ↗ include the landscape strip make it

1:09:54 ↗ public and then can we come back and

1:09:56 ↗ talk to you about this more

1:09:58 ↗ that he says kick back more like let's

1:10:01 ↗ start the

1:10:03 ↗ process I mention scenario you've got a

1:10:07 ↗ developer developing and has to go

1:10:10 ↗ through this and the city would like

1:10:14 ↗ them to save the 100y old secret

1:10:17 ↗ tree but the go say you know they may

1:10:20 ↗ apply for exception and the developers

1:10:22 ↗ like I want to cut that down and so

1:10:26 ↗ like the city in that

1:10:31 ↗ case to per because of that reason or we

1:10:36 ↗ talking about are we only talking about

1:10:39 ↗ permitted exception

1:10:42 ↗ versus you know pered reasons to

1:10:48 ↗ deny top for next month

1:11:05 ↗ it's also kind of public versus private

1:11:07 ↗ but but are we are we asking for not

1:11:09 ↗ just exceptions we also

1:11:13 ↗ asking

1:11:15 ↗ to application related to the exception

1:11:19 ↗ that we think we want on the city

1:11:22 ↗ Side sort of for Developers make S

1:11:26 ↗ decisions or end up with the same

1:11:32 ↗ result kind of thinking about it

1:11:34 ↗ slightly differently kind of the same

1:11:37 ↗ it's all the examples that use were

1:11:39 ↗ things that the C in the business of

1:11:42 ↗ building the streets and so it is the

1:11:44 ↗ city the city is the project component

1:11:46 ↗ in that case so I was thinking as I was

1:11:49 ↗ listening to that is are there other

1:11:51 ↗ examples come to your last point of the

1:11:53 ↗ areas consider missing from this list I

1:11:55 ↗ don't I don't know but what I was

1:11:57 ↗ thinking was are there examples where a

1:12:01 ↗ private entity might be likely to be the

1:12:02 ↗ project proponent that we haven't

1:12:04 ↗ thought of just because it's a project

1:12:07 ↗ it's not the city being so this is your

1:12:10 ↗ bread and butter right grow and so it's

1:12:12 ↗ easy for you to think of examples where

1:12:14 ↗ be relevant but it seems like we just

1:12:17 ↗ want to be really thorough and make sure

1:12:18 ↗ there aren't examples that are very

1:12:21 ↗ logical where the private developer

1:12:23 ↗ might be the project proponent would run

1:12:25 ↗ into kind of some of the same ideas even

1:12:27 ↗ though they're not the business of

1:12:28 ↗ building roads are there other things

1:12:30 ↗ that they might be in the business of

1:12:32 ↗ doing that this and I I can't think of

1:12:34 ↗ any but it seems like this is a good

1:12:36 ↗ time to figure answer that question well

1:12:40 ↗ i' say not so much the whether the

1:12:43 ↗ project proponent is public or private

1:12:46 ↗ is what who's who's usually building

1:12:48 ↗ those kinds of

1:12:50 ↗ project I don't know actually so a lot

1:12:53 ↗ of times when that development goes in

1:12:56 ↗ they build this rage so they are

1:12:58 ↗ building a

1:12:59 ↗ road and they do come up with examples

1:13:03 ↗ situations where there are trees that

1:13:06 ↗ make sense to preserve as they're

1:13:08 ↗ building the crage I do think we can

1:13:11 ↗ think of it both from our bread and

1:13:14 ↗ butter perspective but also from the

1:13:17 ↗ perspective of an applicant who's

1:13:19 ↗ wanting to redevelop a parcel they might

1:13:22 ↗ have some trees and

1:13:25 ↗ and they might run into more things that

1:13:27 ↗ should be on the

1:13:29 ↗ list that's all I'm saying yeah and I

1:13:31 ↗ can't think of any but

1:14:12 ↗ way second chapter but just give us an

1:14:16 ↗ introduction exactly what this is it's

1:14:18 ↗ not

1:14:21 ↗ your this is great so I really

1:14:24 ↗ appreciate giving it to get

1:14:30 ↗ introduction a little more we have

1:14:33 ↗ standards for Reas what

1:14:45 ↗ Reas I don't want I don't want to

1:14:58 ↗ like I'm not very worried about that but

1:15:01 ↗ yeah just

1:15:10 ↗ add yeah I think the

1:15:13 ↗ question you were saying kind how dode

1:15:17 ↗ the exception because do we have

1:15:19 ↗ anything about that yet

1:15:28 ↗ we like

1:15:35 ↗ improve so right now the

1:15:42 ↗ director we add

1:15:45 ↗ more it just like what the exceptions

1:15:48 ↗ are you can use

1:15:52 ↗ all I know if that makes sense

1:15:57 ↗ yeah yeah basically the the situations

1:16:00 ↗ where a deviation or exception depending

1:16:03 ↗ onology we using and that's some of the

1:16:07 ↗ stuff that John and I have began working

1:16:10 ↗ on who then

1:16:12 ↗ working with staff and certainly okay

1:16:16 ↗ what type of tree are we really wanting

1:16:18 ↗ to preserve trying to Define it a little

1:16:21 ↗ bit more and we've met with the planners

1:16:25 ↗ about okay what are the weapons we

1:16:27 ↗ really must avoid

1:16:30 ↗ and that

1:16:31 ↗ information there are sorts of G lines

1:16:35 ↗ to having these exceptions like when it

1:16:38 ↗ comes to

1:16:39 ↗ safety comes to environmental impact

1:16:42 ↗ something like that

1:16:44 ↗ [Music]

1:16:45 ↗ right right now it's just safy and we're

1:16:48 ↗ wanting to put something like the

1:16:52 ↗ environmental impact like yeah needs to

1:16:56 ↗ be stud just to make sure that down the

1:17:00 ↗ line we don't have like long-term imps

1:17:04 ↗ taken away

1:17:08 ↗ from yeah that's what Happ like right

1:17:12 ↗ and so right

1:17:14 ↗ now yeah as we met what the planners

1:17:18 ↗ Planning Development they categories

1:17:23 ↗ we these one

1:17:25 ↗ absolutely do not these ones I think you

1:17:29 ↗ want to have critical areas to evaluate

1:17:31 ↗ the buffers

1:17:35 ↗ can those are some the

1:17:48 ↗ details so right now should identif one

1:17:52 ↗ exception for

1:18:04 ↗ are

1:18:10 ↗ other

1:18:18 ↗ know yeah I think

1:18:21 ↗ that for this because I don't want to so

1:18:25 ↗ narrow that like what kind of tree do

1:18:27 ↗ yeah

1:18:30 ↗ don't to that's okay

1:18:34 ↗ but

1:18:36 ↗ ums but I don't want get so narly

1:18:39 ↗ prescri with this that possible like the

1:18:42 ↗ next thing that comes

1:18:44 ↗ up that have to go back to the and do it

1:18:48 ↗ all over again

1:19:16 ↗ IE lot

1:19:41 ↗ you got more time

1:19:43 ↗ here the uh have we done a complete

1:19:46 ↗ survey of all the streets in this plot

1:19:48 ↗ that you know just kind of like eyeb a

1:19:51 ↗ thumbs up thumbs down street standard

1:19:52 ↗ should apply to the street street

1:19:54 ↗ standard should not various

1:19:57 ↗ exceptions like there are a couple of

1:19:59 ↗ examples in here the doood and 220 where

1:20:04 ↗ look at 220 nobody would Street should

1:20:07 ↗ apply

1:20:10 ↗ that sorry

1:20:12 ↗ 19

1:20:15 ↗ right what streets would say yeah

1:20:17 ↗ generally they

1:20:19 ↗ should

1:20:23 ↗ so the I'm make sure I understand your

1:20:26 ↗ question say the question again

1:20:29 ↗ yeah we look at all the street right and

1:20:32 ↗ say all right the street clearly has a

1:20:35 ↗ bunch of exceptions and the street

1:20:37 ↗ standards are probably GNA not apply to

1:20:39 ↗ that anytime in future such as

1:20:43 ↗ 19 I don't know if I have a

1:20:45 ↗ comprehensive list I kind of in my head

1:20:49 ↗ collect

1:20:52 ↗ yeah I start actually it's really the

1:20:56 ↗ requests or complaints that I hear from

1:20:58 ↗ the community that I kind of look at

1:21:01 ↗ what our tools are and what we can we

1:21:03 ↗ can't do and what we want to do yeah I I

1:21:07 ↗ think the reason why this matters you

1:21:09 ↗ start thinking about like how many times

1:21:11 ↗ we exception all right if we've got a

1:21:13 ↗ street where we're looking at any we

1:21:16 ↗ don't think that the standards for well

1:21:18 ↗ for it every time you look at that we

1:21:20 ↗ have to go through the exception process

1:21:22 ↗ again and then it's not just one street

1:21:24 ↗ but it's half the street law that apply

1:21:27 ↗ that how big is the problem we're not

1:21:30 ↗ exception particular

1:21:38 ↗ street right

1:21:41 ↗ but yeah because

1:21:43 ↗ so here's another way to think of this

1:21:47 ↗ let's say it was on Northwest mamish

1:21:51 ↗ road8 56 and if let's say that the

1:21:56 ↗ payment is is failing we need to do a

1:21:58 ↗ big Rehabilitation project or we need to

1:22:01 ↗ dig down the all the road get down

1:22:04 ↗ subgrade and rebuild it because the

1:22:06 ↗ Pavements fall in the AP well then that

1:22:08 ↗ triggers the site work permit a TR a

1:22:10 ↗ site work permit says you have to meet

1:22:12 ↗ the full standard now all of a sudden

1:22:15 ↗ this project where we're wanting to just

1:22:17 ↗ take care of the pavement if we don't

1:22:19 ↗ treat it as a rehabilitation project

1:22:22 ↗ then technically we would need to

1:22:25 ↗ planner scrip sidewalk

1:22:28 ↗ out and it would grow as a

1:22:32 ↗ project right so what we wanted to do is

1:22:36 ↗ say okay in this case it's a

1:22:38 ↗ rehabilitation project we're not

1:22:40 ↗ changing the function of the street

1:22:44 ↗ we're wanting the street to just as it

1:22:46 ↗ is last for another 20 to 30

1:22:50 ↗ years yeah I understand that

1:22:55 ↗ oh okay sorry so I guess the

1:22:57 ↗ rehabilitation I can see it applying

1:23:00 ↗ everywhere the interim connection it's

1:23:03 ↗ more of where there are

1:23:06 ↗ opportunities to do that so A couple of

1:23:09 ↗ projects that we look at

1:23:12 ↗ black enough

1:23:18 ↗ to

1:23:21 ↗ swap where trees

1:23:25 ↗ pres

1:23:26 ↗ Tre we at different

1:23:30 ↗ do

1:23:33 ↗ like One Direction but full exceptions

1:23:37 ↗ which I

1:23:38 ↗ think I get the feeling that there are

1:23:41 ↗ many many streets that have S of General

1:23:45 ↗ section but the longterm plan is not to

1:23:47 ↗ be one

1:23:51 ↗ established so that's why I asked about

1:23:54 ↗ C all them

1:23:57 ↗ know are really thinking that everything

1:24:00 ↗ eventually is going to befic

1:24:04 ↗ Street and we're just talking about

1:24:06 ↗ delay are we talking

1:24:09 ↗ about longterm just missing a bunch of

1:24:12 ↗ other Street standards that should apply

1:24:15 ↗ or we just have General exceptions with

1:24:16 ↗ it we'll never let's come back to that

1:24:19 ↗ one inside my head I had a whole bunch

1:24:21 ↗ of kind of worms open I Stu

1:24:41 ↗ yeah so next steps uh we'll come back

1:24:45 ↗ next month and then 10 proest will push

1:24:51 ↗ it5 basically So yeah thank

1:25:00 ↗ you want

1:25:17 ↗ to sorry I was maybe a little bit

1:25:20 ↗ flipping

1:25:22 ↗ um but if can I just go on this one for

1:25:25 ↗ a second this is one where um I think

1:25:28 ↗ we're all kind of on the same track

1:25:30 ↗ which was we looked at it we said the

1:25:32 ↗ code out be the code and and if we're

1:25:34 ↗ gonna have situations where the code

1:25:36 ↗ doesn't apply we should try and get

1:25:37 ↗ ahead of so really hoping that you can

1:25:39 ↗ come back next time we put together is

1:25:41 ↗ to identify what those exception should

1:25:43 ↗ be I think John

1:25:45 ↗ John there's a really nice job of these

1:25:48 ↗ kind of exceptions but there's other

1:25:49 ↗ things you could think of is like well

1:25:51 ↗ you know this kind of thing or that kind

1:25:53 ↗ of thing but um my biggest fear um and

1:25:57 ↗ I'm not an attorney and I don't even

1:25:58 ↗ play one on television but my biggest

1:26:00 ↗ fear is that we apply standards

1:26:02 ↗ differently to ourselves and um our our

1:26:06 ↗ private uh Enterprise and they take

1:26:09 ↗ exception with this and we find

1:26:10 ↗ ourselves in court and so we want to

1:26:12 ↗ have a code that holds up so that's um

1:26:16 ↗ that's where I I really want to you see

1:26:18 ↗ how we can close as many Gs as possible

1:26:21 ↗ so um I I appreciate your your thoughts

1:26:24 ↗ on

1:26:25 ↗ and challenging problem and I I love the

1:26:28 ↗ work you guys did you know since last we

1:26:31 ↗ talked about it you know the rehab that

1:26:34 ↗ just makes so much sense if we're just

1:26:35 ↗ rehabing the road um you know that's not

1:26:39 ↗ that was not intend of the street C road

1:26:41 ↗ but it fell into let's let's be clear on

1:26:45 ↗ that and then you know the two that we

1:26:48 ↗ took action on around black nugget and

1:26:51 ↗ retaining wall and squark mountain in

1:26:53 ↗ the tree that was a case where it's like

1:26:56 ↗ yeah that's that's that's what we do and

1:26:58 ↗ it's just counterintuitive so it's like

1:27:01 ↗ no it just doesn't make good sense for

1:27:04 ↗ the city so but having something where

1:27:08 ↗ every like if you're doing that work on

1:27:11 ↗ 190th you don't have to come back to

1:27:13 ↗ city council and say I need an exception

1:27:15 ↗ because for this I'm going to be you

1:27:18 ↗ know and I've driven that road there's

1:27:19 ↗ nothing on there there's no place you

1:27:21 ↗ know you're going to be canceling out

1:27:24 ↗ the abys to put that in there so it's

1:27:26 ↗ like yeah that makes perfect

1:27:29 ↗ sense so it seems like the city has

1:27:32 ↗ goals those goals are often conflict the

1:27:35 ↗ code should allow us to get to the right

1:27:39 ↗ comprise Cas we look at the conflict

1:27:42 ↗ between standard one you from Aesthetics

1:27:46 ↗ and usability versus environment or cost

1:27:50 ↗ I think that the black nugget Ro cost

1:27:52 ↗ primarily it would cost lot at that

1:27:55 ↗ probably

1:27:57 ↗ Environ could done it we certainly could

1:28:00 ↗ have done it but it wasn't the do right

1:28:04 ↗ so when you talk about those those

1:28:05 ↗ conflicts I think one of the challenges

1:28:08 ↗ I is

1:28:09 ↗ that if

1:28:10 ↗ we're um if the code says the applicant

1:28:13 ↗ is the one that's trying to drive

1:28:15 ↗ towards the right

1:28:17 ↗ resolution that's where you will see the

1:28:20 ↗ issues and you probably should see the

1:28:21 ↗ issues Rec as it apply to private actors

1:28:25 ↗ versus City yeah possibly you know it's

1:28:29 ↗ interesting let's just check on the tree

1:28:30 ↗ one for a second I mean we do have We

1:28:31 ↗ have tree ordinances you know if you got

1:28:33 ↗ to cut down a tree to do a project you

1:28:35 ↗ know there's there are things you have

1:28:37 ↗ to do so and what we have is

1:28:41 ↗ probably conflicting ordinances that we

1:28:43 ↗ have to sort out so um but yeah I you

1:28:47 ↗ know I'm I'm excited to see what you

1:28:49 ↗ come up with because it's a good thy

1:28:51 ↗ problem to dig into and I love this

1:28:52 ↗ approach of put it out on the table and

1:28:55 ↗ let you chew on it for a month because

1:28:57 ↗ I'm sure we get better ideas that you

1:28:59 ↗ have

1:29:02 ↗ ch anyone like questions

1:29:24 ↗ It's relatively new this committee sort

1:29:27 ↗ of kind of and um I'm curious is it is

1:29:29 ↗ it helping when you then take those

1:29:31 ↗ matters to council ccil yeah so here

1:29:34 ↗ kind of a little bit of background

1:29:36 ↗ commit Council um up until about five

1:29:40 ↗ years ago I guess maybe we all we had

1:29:43 ↗ committees and there was there was a

1:29:44 ↗ Mobility structure like committee um and

1:29:46 ↗ then we um we we did an experiment with

1:29:50 ↗ this idea of study session so instead of

1:29:52 ↗ having a subset Council go and address

1:29:54 ↗ the particular topical area we had

1:29:56 ↗ everybody kind of address the topical

1:29:58 ↗ area so we did that and then after a

1:30:01 ↗ couple of years doing that um we took a

1:30:05 ↗ step back and we said no I think we want

1:30:06 ↗ to bring back we gave us a subset of

1:30:09 ↗ council an opportunity to um sort

1:30:12 ↗ specialize and but more importantly to

1:30:14 ↗ dig in and understand the issues in a

1:30:17 ↗ little more detail than when you've got

1:30:18 ↗ you know aage s because it's not a

1:30:20 ↗ linear thing right it's logarithmic you

1:30:22 ↗ know the number of interconnections

1:30:25 ↗ between people is go up exponentially if

1:30:27 ↗ you had you know another person another

1:30:29 ↗ person it got more complex um I first I

1:30:33 ↗ I was an advocate for going back to

1:30:35 ↗ communities I think they work really

1:30:36 ↗ well um I think communities have um

1:30:39 ↗ better uh conversations about the issues

1:30:42 ↗ than the council as of the whole here so

1:30:47 ↗ um we're able to get a little more into

1:30:50 ↗ it and I think this is kind of a neque

1:30:52 ↗ model inviting members to the um the

1:30:55 ↗ board because it gives us the

1:30:57 ↗ opportunity

1:30:59 ↗ to um understand that kind

1:31:01 ↗ [Music]

1:31:06 ↗ of I really appreciate how

1:31:17 ↗ committe people

1:31:21 ↗ really area

1:31:28 ↗ yeah so the real rub and this is really

1:31:30 ↗ unfortunate I know that council member

1:31:32 ↗ Hall and president I would love to have

1:31:34 ↗ been here um but because we are a

1:31:37 ↗ governing body we would we would have to

1:31:40 ↗ have meeting two of us show

1:31:44 ↗ up so you can only get one of us at a

1:31:46 ↗ time but we will we will will commit

1:31:50 ↗ toing Mee as much as we can I it's good

1:31:55 ↗ but yeah we were when we first started

1:31:57 ↗ talking about this like yeah let's go

1:31:59 ↗ and it's like

1:32:00 ↗ no we can't

1:32:02 ↗ do how do you consum the results of this

1:32:06 ↗ uh me personally if you w here today oh

1:32:09 ↗ I watch on yeah it's not the same you're

1:32:13 ↗ much

1:32:15 ↗ better like you're

1:32:20 ↗ better um and then you know

1:32:24 ↗ the staff exquis job also

1:32:27 ↗ summarizing you know there's something

1:32:29 ↗ coming with Mobility watch the recording

1:32:34 ↗ of that meeting sometimes I'll be honest

1:32:36 ↗ with I'll watch you one and a half

1:32:38 ↗ time sound better too um but um you know

1:32:43 ↗ and you know got something that

1:32:45 ↗ touch and you know just trying to really

1:32:48 ↗ understand what the dialog was that that

1:32:50 ↗ shaped

1:32:54 ↗ the information

1:32:56 ↗ from right I'm I'm GNA go back to my my

1:33:00 ↗ back seat and um I want to hear your

1:33:03 ↗ reports any thank you again for

1:33:05 ↗ everything you guys are I I was telling

1:33:09 ↗ guys are my favorite

1:33:14 ↗ entertainment

1:33:16 ↗ [Music]

1:33:18 ↗ that work yeah board work plan um

1:33:22 ↗ speaking of squat I think last month I

1:33:25 ↗ mentioned that we were going to push it

1:33:27 ↗ coming back to tab until next year just

1:33:29 ↗ kidding we're coming back next month so

1:33:31 ↗ you looked at the uh schedule it's just

1:33:33 ↗ made more sense that come back next

1:33:36 ↗ month so that will be good and then of

1:33:38 ↗ course we'll be back next month as well

1:33:41 ↗ to talk about standards the only other

1:33:45 ↗ thing is um on the work plan there's an

1:33:48 ↗ annual report I have a draft created

1:33:52 ↗ they approved it I'll send it to

1:33:54 ↗ you and Tom it's just basically

1:33:56 ↗ outlining what we this here and then

1:33:58 ↗ we'll set off

1:34:00 ↗ mayor you

1:34:03 ↗ [Music]

1:34:04 ↗ mention oh yes uh and and you have

1:34:09 ↗ December off also so we decided to to

1:34:12 ↗ give you off December um and then

1:34:15 ↗ November will be a special meeting get

1:34:17 ↗ that date uh because it would fall

1:34:21 ↗ Thanksgiving is

1:34:23 ↗ uh we have it on

1:34:26 ↗ the1st the Thursday the

1:34:30 ↗ 21st

1:34:32 ↗ yeah uh so yeah th hope you're you all

1:34:36 ↗ can make

1:34:38 ↗ it that's all I

1:34:43 ↗ have

1:34:46 ↗ do if you want

1:35:00 ↗ CC I'm gonna invite Emily up to get

1:35:05 ↗ that hey

1:35:10 ↗ everybody

1:35:13 ↗ depart

1:35:16 ↗ and I will tell you that I am bringing

1:35:20 ↗ budget new um we have had a very

1:35:25 ↗ challenging budget development year we

1:35:28 ↗ have both a Reven revenue and

1:35:30 ↗ expenditure problem we're trying to

1:35:33 ↗ solve staff and Council will be thrown

1:35:37 ↗ in the sake of that helping us

1:35:40 ↗ to figure out how toage our

1:35:46 ↗ priorities sounds like

1:35:49 ↗ fireing I'm not but I have along the L

1:35:55 ↗ so I will tell you that my voice crack

1:35:59 ↗ because this is not a

1:36:03 ↗ fun

1:36:06 ↗ deal we have had some very difficult

1:36:08 ↗ conversations the last s months became a

1:36:12 ↗ parent that on construction related

1:36:17 ↗ Revenue in particular has not performed

1:36:20 ↗ the needed to in order to meet exp for

1:36:25 ↗ 2024 looking forward

1:36:28 ↗ next budget those reeven can't be

1:36:32 ↗ expected to return to anti quickly nor

1:36:38 ↗ keep up with

1:36:40 ↗ inflation

1:36:42 ↗ and higher cost in several areas budget

1:36:47 ↗ presentation end here um how you can get

1:36:51 ↗ connected to better information

1:37:00 ↗ so Rue has been a challenge

1:37:05 ↗ expenditures never go down always go up

1:37:09 ↗ and so we every year for this

1:37:13 ↗ game pushing out where the those two L

1:37:17 ↗ crosses and try solve that problem every

1:37:21 ↗ year um this year Haven challenges that

1:37:25 ↗ Gap

1:37:26 ↗ quite and so the city staff City

1:37:30 ↗ Administration May proposed budget

1:37:33 ↗ will really hard choices that we have to

1:37:36 ↗ make there are reductions in Services

1:37:39 ↗ there are reductions in capital project

1:37:42 ↗ and

1:37:44 ↗ reduction okay so um what does this mean

1:37:49 ↗ uh for tab and work that you do um means

1:37:54 ↗ that some of the projects

1:37:58 ↗ that

1:38:00 ↗ bring get early moments of feedback on

1:38:04 ↗ conceptual design and and policy kinds

1:38:08 ↗ of choices house maybe some of those are

1:38:12 ↗ late

1:38:14 ↗ um it also means that one of the

1:38:17 ↗ services that you all have worked really

1:38:20 ↗ hard to help shape and bring

1:38:31 ↗ there

1:38:33 ↗ are lots of choices of the year in the

1:38:37 ↗ budget and the coun has very difficult

1:38:42 ↗ job of trying to make sure that commun

1:38:45 ↗ priorities are met and that take care of

1:38:49 ↗ mortgage first things like that

1:38:53 ↗ we are also affected by

1:38:57 ↗ reduction and public

1:39:03 ↗ and John is a limited CH employee we

1:39:08 ↗ call

1:39:09 ↗ L um he knew this upon his hire it's a

1:39:14 ↗ city that is a limited term position we

1:39:17 ↗ have very few of C that we can use them

1:39:21 ↗ multile departments

1:39:23 ↗ sometimes they are set up to be index to

1:39:27 ↗ a certain project and the project is

1:39:29 ↗ complete turn

1:39:32 ↗ over sometimes they are indexed to some

1:39:36 ↗ sort of growth factor where we know we

1:39:39 ↗ have some sort of we need to attend

1:39:41 ↗ to with our staffing level then we're

1:39:44 ↗ going to return to the for Baseline

1:39:47 ↗ level so John in particular was brought

1:39:50 ↗ on to us met off the ground and we did

1:39:56 ↗ that we did a great job going together

1:39:59 ↗ that

1:40:00 ↗ project

1:40:06 ↗ getting support

1:40:10 ↗ and it has been success you know so it's

1:40:15 ↗ it's a really hard thing to contemplate

1:40:17 ↗ because just

1:40:24 ↗ um so I know many of you are going to

1:40:30 ↗ hearing that and this is the proposed

1:40:32 ↗ budget is not final adopted

1:40:35 ↗ budget clear about that want of 100

1:40:40 ↗ choices that city

1:40:44 ↗ council

1:40:47 ↗ um we had hoped for quite some time that

1:40:51 ↗ we would convert John position we have

1:40:54 ↗ advocates for that we built it into our

1:40:57 ↗ departmental proposed budget to convert

1:41:00 ↗ that position F fulltime employee um in

1:41:05 ↗ addition to Metroplex I I want to be

1:41:08 ↗ clear with all of you you know some of

1:41:10 ↗ the work that John has done that work is

1:41:12 ↗ not going away either just has launched

1:41:16 ↗ doesn't me there those that work within

1:41:19 ↗ the public works department to be

1:41:21 ↗ impacted by not being on our

1:41:25 ↗ teable so I wanted to I wanted to share

1:41:28 ↗ with you just a little bit of what John

1:41:31 ↗ does that not Forefront that we bring

1:41:35 ↗ he's worked on our commun trip

1:41:36 ↗ production program he handle the variety

1:41:40 ↗ of our F issues are portal for customer

1:41:46 ↗ service with our Community

1:41:48 ↗ Transportation related issues um he's

1:41:51 ↗ been heavily involved with Community Eng

1:41:54 ↗ efforts around transit

1:41:57 ↗ in

1:41:58 ↗ also future capital

1:42:01 ↗ projects he's been involv withing

1:42:08 ↗ efforts assister other Transit

1:42:11 ↗ coordination issues and

1:42:14 ↗ opportunities absolute advocate for

1:42:16 ↗ options in our community um a

1:42:21 ↗ multim fan and

1:42:24 ↗ fure um to try to get pH at the table

1:42:28 ↗ competing for those

1:42:30 ↗ dollars he developed our new traffic

1:42:33 ↗ caling program

1:42:37 ↗ p and has coordinated F every day and

1:42:42 ↗ that's short list um and that doesn't

1:42:46 ↗ even Su up what I think is most

1:42:49 ↗ important about John and that he is very

1:42:53 ↗ creative person um he's a fantastic

1:42:59 ↗ collaborator he doesn't he doesn't care

1:43:02 ↗ you know who you are he just wants to

1:43:04 ↗ work with people that have the same sort

1:43:06 ↗ of passions that he has these subjects

1:43:09 ↗ his great can do attitude we have thrown

1:43:13 ↗ a hodod of things his way and not once

1:43:17 ↗ did he he say yesik really instead he

1:43:22 ↗ has said okay um I've never done that

1:43:26 ↗ but I'm I'm willing to try tell me what

1:43:29 ↗ I don't know I'll teach me that's

1:43:31 ↗ another thing that I love about him is

1:43:34 ↗ that he is always willing

1:43:39 ↗ to um and that's really important

1:43:41 ↗ because if you don't know this about

1:43:43 ↗ John he he he was not one of those kids

1:43:46 ↗ that

1:43:53 ↗ right and so he has come into this role

1:43:57 ↗ he has found his call and he has had

1:44:01 ↗ other other jobs other schooling um but

1:44:04 ↗ this is where he has landed it is the

1:44:06 ↗ right place for him he's imp pass as his

1:44:10 ↗ work I have no doubt that he's going to

1:44:13 ↗ serve some other private

1:44:16 ↗ sector company or I sure hope as an

1:44:20 ↗ advocate

1:44:23 ↗ local government he's going to do great

1:44:26 ↗ things for them um so uh

1:44:30 ↗ John's woman to

1:44:32 ↗ term was set to expire at the end of

1:44:36 ↗ this

1:44:37 ↗ year again that's what it's called for

1:44:41 ↗ in the proposed budget

1:44:44 ↗ and we will try to keep him entertained

1:44:48 ↗ for as long as we can until the end of

1:44:51 ↗ the year but uh I I wanted to bring this

1:44:54 ↗ new to you now it's little offered for

1:44:57 ↗ me especially with a council member in

1:44:59 ↗ the room Council hasn't reive the budget

1:45:02 ↗ yet and I'm sure hope that council

1:45:05 ↗ member has one the city administrator

1:45:08 ↗ did get permission to have this

1:45:09 ↗ conversation with all of

1:45:12 ↗ you so there's a little bit of letting

1:45:15 ↗ the hat out of bag tonight but we

1:45:17 ↗ thought it was very important your next

1:45:20 ↗ meeting is

1:45:21 ↗ not there

1:45:23 ↗ eyeball budget deliberation wanted you

1:45:26 ↗ hear the news now also there's a

1:45:30 ↗ possibility that John great thing for

1:45:33 ↗ her

1:45:34 ↗ next and so I wanted you all to be

1:45:37 ↗ prepared um for both that possibility

1:45:41 ↗ but also for the conversation that will

1:45:43 ↗ be happen

1:45:45 ↗ next city council um but I here's my ask

1:45:49 ↗ though

1:45:51 ↗ uh we typically do not

1:45:54 ↗ breath big policy choices like this or

1:46:00 ↗ use about um service impation or

1:46:06 ↗ layoffs to the general

1:46:09 ↗ public before our city council here all

1:46:13 ↗ of that detail so I ask you is that you

1:46:16 ↗ just hold on for a few more days Council

1:46:19 ↗ going get the budget on Friday Monday

1:46:22 ↗ evening we

1:46:23 ↗ start to hear more detail propos the

1:46:28 ↗ budget November

1:46:32 ↗ delation their job to get something pass

1:46:36 ↗ and early

1:46:37 ↗ come so that's our time but if you can

1:46:40 ↗ hold on to

1:46:42 ↗ this but if you can hold on to it hold

1:46:44 ↗ on to your thoughts hold on to your in

1:47:00 ↗ per that's my agenda

1:47:03 ↗ item

1:47:16 ↗ John I mean there's not really any words

1:47:19 ↗ I appreciate sharing and I been

1:47:23 ↗ fantastic so yeah work together oh

1:47:29 ↗ wow should be sharing with

1:47:32 ↗ us I have

1:47:36 ↗ zero great

1:47:38 ↗ spot one

1:47:47 ↗ another because the business of the city

1:47:49 ↗ will go on um you will another Reas we

1:47:55 ↗ have not to

1:47:58 ↗ that

1:48:19 ↗ to first first

1:48:41 ↗ basically driving into school around

1:48:45 ↗ Community Center is and then also there

1:48:48 ↗ other kind of little shortcut people

1:48:50 ↗ take to get school faster and the squad

1:48:53 ↗ Police Department is stared to out

1:48:55 ↗ tickets especially after titing people

1:48:58 ↗ we dve to the community center which

1:49:01 ↗ apparently they were giving out $600

1:49:03 ↗ tickets is what I heard I don't know if

1:49:05 ↗ that's true or

1:49:06 ↗ not get yeah that's good that's good

1:49:10 ↗ there's been a lot of complaints about

1:49:13 ↗ um through traffic going through the

1:49:14 ↗ neighborhoods I don't know exactly if

1:49:17 ↗ they were titing there's this one

1:49:18 ↗ Alleyway I don't know the street name

1:49:20 ↗ but it's this really narrow Alleyway and

1:49:21 ↗ then people are turning back on

1:49:25 ↗ to and then that's kind of always

1:49:28 ↗ chaotic in the morning I the police

1:49:30 ↗ department

1:49:32 ↗ there getting Community Center and also

1:49:35 ↗ sometimes

1:49:36 ↗ people um going all the way to light

1:49:40 ↗ where the high school middle school is

1:49:42 ↗ the official entrance they go from

1:49:45 ↗ behind the Middle School through the fil

1:49:47 ↗ that's also not allowing people there so

1:49:50 ↗ kind of just good to see that the police

1:49:52 ↗ department

1:50:18 ↗ on that case you will me at

1:50:22 ↗ like

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Council / Members (8)

Julian Mydlil

Tom McDonald, Vice Chair (Virtual)

Erika Boyd

Cynthia Krass

Hany Maklad

Avi Mattikali

Adam Fuchs - Alternate

Micah Zeitz-Chua

Staff (5)

John Larson-Friend, Transportation Program Coordinator

John Mortenson, Senior Transportation Manager

Emily Moon, Public Works Director

Chris Rey, City Councilmember

Lamir Magus