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Thursday, July 21, 2022

6:00 PM · 1h 57m
Topic tracked across meetings:
Transit Shuttle Options for Squak and Talus Neighborhoods ID 1116 1/3
Section
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
2a
Minutes of June 16, 2022
packet pp.3–5
Staff report:
APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 06-16-22 Transportation Advisory Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Transportation Advisory Board 6:00 PM Virtual Meeting June 16, 2022 MINUTES
4. REGULAR BUSINESS
4a
Transit Shuttle Options for Squak & Talus Neighborhoods (A)
John Larson-Friend, Transportation Program Coordinator · packet pp.7–22
Topics: Land UseTransportation
Staff report:
Currently, the infrastructure and topography of Squak and Talus Neighborhoods cause many issues with walking, bicycling, and using other forms of active transportation. Talus lies just off busy SR 900 a mile from the Valley Transit Center, and both neighborhoods are defined by the hills they sit on. These natural and man-made barriers make access to transit and Central Issaquah from these neighborhoods difficult at most and impossible for others. Six of the seven goals in Issaquah’s Mobility Master Plan (Proactive Safety, Quality of Life, Multimodal Balance Network, Walking, Bicycling, and Transit) remain unaddressed in these two neighborhoods and infrastructure limitations makes any meaningful change unlikely in the short term. To address this, the Administration is pursuing the expansion of a multimodal, balanced transportation system (Goal 3, MMP) in these neighborhoods through the…
5. REPORTS
5a
Board Work Plan
packet pp.23
Staff report:
Transportation Improvement Program (TIP) Update Equity Update Transit Study Intro Update Update Performance Metrics Intro Update ADA Transition Plan Intro Concurrency Update ITS Study Intro Parks Projects Update Metro Update Parks Wayfinding Update 2023 Comprehensive Plan Update Mobility Master Plan (MMP) Review 2023 Board Work Plan Review Open Public Meetings & Public Records Act Training Transit Shuttle Options for Squak & Talus Intro
5b
Staff Report
5c
Chair Report
5d
Youth Report
0:02 great well good evening my name is
0:05 cynthia krass and this is the
0:07 transportation advisory board regular
0:09 monthly meeting
0:11 and i'm currently the chair of this
0:12 board this is the first time we're
0:14 meeting in person so welcome everybody
0:17 it's really nice to see everybody
0:20 in person this is very exciting
0:22 i'm sure everyone's going to take a
0:24 little getting used to being in person
0:25 and filling with papers and remembering
0:27 how to
0:28 do things for a course hybrid so the
0:30 whole board is here but the um
0:33 there may be members of the public and
0:35 staff
0:36 that are attending virtually but all the
0:38 board members will be attending in
0:41 person
0:42 so um before i get started with the
0:45 agenda i would like to recognize
0:48 councilmember michelle who wants to say
0:50 hello before we begin thank you
0:53 so much
0:56 yes i am uh barbara michelle i'm on the
0:59 issac city council and on behalf of the
1:01 council i'm here to welcome you back to
1:04 in-person meetings uh you are one of the
1:07 first groups to
1:08 meet in person but all of our boards and
1:10 conditions are coming back to the first
1:12 meeting and a council member is
1:14 dedicated to attend every one of those
1:16 meetings so we're very very happy to
1:19 have you back and i know the other
1:22 um thing that the council would like me
1:24 to say is we are so so appreciative of
1:27 our boards and commissions the time that
1:30 you put in is very valued and we love to
1:33 hear your opinion
1:35 cynthia asked me what my role is tonight
1:38 and my role is to listen i won't be
1:40 participating in the dialogue at all
1:43 i get a chance to weigh in when things
1:45 come to the council
1:46 but i'm very very interested in the
1:48 topic tonight uh transportation is one
1:51 of my focus areas and i'm going to be
1:54 very very interested in hearing the
1:56 discussion that you're going to have
1:57 tonight so again thank you so much for
2:00 your service to the city visible and
2:02 welcome back to in-person meetings
2:04 thank you
2:08 uh before we move on to the approval of
2:11 the minutes i also do want to recognize
2:13 that
2:14 we have two regular board members not in
2:17 attendance which makes jerry who's our
2:19 alternate um a full-fledged member this
2:22 voting member this evening so
2:24 thank you for your service as a
2:27 steady alternate um and with that uh i'm
2:31 moving on to item two which is i'm
2:33 seeking
2:34 approval of the minutes by unanimous can
2:36 snow sorry i thank you um
2:40 would like to seek approval by unanimous
2:42 consent of the minutes with one minor
2:44 adjustment and that is to strike the
2:48 chair report comment uh that was
2:50 personal in nature
2:52 and
2:54 with that i will seek approval with that
2:57 change by unanimous consent
3:01 hearing no complaints or objections
3:04 they are approved with that minor
3:08 modification thank you
3:10 uh okay so i don't see any other members
3:13 of the public in the room do we have any
3:15 members of the public online that would
3:17 like to make any comments there is a
3:19 number ending in all three that i am
3:22 going to unmute now so you can speak
3:30 hi uh cynthia this is dave wagoner i'm
3:33 in pasco washington
3:37 i'm attending by phone i
3:40 told isabel that
3:42 this is i'm at the
3:44 state of washington convention for the
3:47 american legion so i'm listening by
3:50 phone
3:51 so i hope that i get credited for
3:54 being in attendance
3:58 and
3:59 101 degrees over here so i'm glad you
4:03 guys are not here with me
4:06 and that's it so i am part of the
4:08 meeting tonight
4:12 thank you thank you for being here um
4:14 and thank you for
4:16 your dedication yikes okay was there any
4:19 other public comment no i don't see any
4:22 other
4:23 points
4:26 okay
4:27 um that brings us to regular business
4:29 item for before i turn it over to a
4:31 presentation from mr john washington
4:33 friend i just want to make a couple
4:35 comments um
4:38 uh you'll notice we have one agenda item
4:40 tonight so we're going to have a chance
4:42 to dive deep and
4:45 the way that we're hoping to structure
4:46 this is that we have a presentation from
4:49 staff
4:50 you should feel free to ask all of your
4:52 questions
4:53 and
4:54 one thing that i've noticed is that
4:56 sometimes we exhaust all of our
4:59 discussion energy asking questions and i
5:02 want to make sure i want one of those
5:04 kids when they come around
5:07 so i would encourage you to ask all of
5:08 your questions
5:10 either during or after and then at some
5:13 point
5:14 we will
5:15 switch to
5:16 deliberation and um asking i mean i ask
5:20 a series of questions i'm going to ask
5:21 you to have an opinion i'm going gonna
5:23 ask you to jot it down
5:24 um and so that we can have a discussion
5:26 amongst ourselves about what we think
5:27 about the questions that that are before
5:30 us so um
5:33 that's
5:34 what i'm hoping to get out of this
5:35 evening and if we can get all the way to
5:37 the point where we actually have a
5:39 formal recommendation um that would be
5:42 awesome um so we're going to get as far
5:45 through that as we can
5:46 um and with that i'm going to turn it
5:48 over to you have i forgotten anything
6:03 good evening tab thank you so much for
6:05 being here i'm i'm really excited to be
6:07 able to present this topic uh this is a
6:09 topic that i've been working on for
6:11 months now and i'm really excited to
6:13 share
6:14 what we found
6:16 so tonight's topic is transit shuttle
6:18 options for the squawk and talus
6:19 neighborhoods
6:21 i'm john washington friend i am the
6:23 transportation program coordinator
6:28 so the first thing that we uh we would
6:30 like
6:31 or sorry the purpose of this evening is
6:33 to present the most viable options for
6:35 shuttle service for the squawk and talus
6:37 neighborhoods to connect the transit
6:38 center center and other major locations
6:41 in issaquah
6:44 specifically the direction that we're
6:46 looking for tonight is we're looking for
6:49 tab feedback on any changes to the
6:51 evaluation criteria which we'll go over
6:54 those the pros and cons of each of the
6:56 first mile last mile options that we are
6:59 presenting
7:00 and to make a collective recommendation
7:02 ultimately on which option to pursue and
7:05 then recommend uh down the line
7:10 so just as a reminder i'm sure you're
7:12 all familiar with
7:13 where everything is in issaquah but for
7:15 those who may not be as familiar
7:18 this is a map of
7:20 the show depicting the downtown and
7:21 central business districts and kind of
7:23 that orange yellow color there big
7:26 squawk mountain and we have talus
7:28 these two neighborhoods are
7:30 generally
7:31 kind of cut off from the rest of
7:34 especially the downtown and central
7:35 business districts due to man-made and
7:38 just natural topography
7:41 talus neighborhood
7:43 is down sr 900 it's not a great place to
7:46 walk it's not a great place to ride
7:48 bikes it's kind of it's a whole mile
7:50 from the entrance to talus all the way
7:52 down to the transit center specifically
7:55 and then getting up into the talus
7:56 neighborhood it's it's a hill
7:59 very steep
8:01 yes and very similarly with spock
8:04 mountain hence the name uh it is also
8:06 basically on a huge hill there's not a
8:08 lot of uh
8:10 there's not a lot of connect connective
8:12 uh sidewalks bike lanes
8:15 even i've driven through like driving
8:17 through like i would not want to be on
8:19 this road whatsoever
8:22 today we are kind of presenting a couple
8:24 of a few options that might
8:27 might be viable as far as some sort of
8:29 neighborhood
8:30 transit shuttle
8:34 but first i want to kind of get into
8:35 some previous history just to kind of
8:37 give you some context so yes yeah
8:41 will you at some point in the
8:42 presentation describe like
8:44 what exactly the service would be like i
8:46 was looking through it and
8:48 it's not clear you say first last mile
8:50 you're gonna yeah okay yeah definitely
8:52 yeah i'm gonna i'm probably gonna give
8:54 you too much information
8:57 so but first before we get to that i do
8:59 want to give some some background some
9:00 history so that we're all kind of on the
9:02 same page as to how we got here today
9:05 um i'll i'll have a few different levels
9:07 kind of start up high and we'll go
9:09 medium and then very
9:11 very recent history
9:13 so first of all in 1995 the city formed
9:17 a temporary transit advisory committee
9:19 and it led to the development of the
9:21 2003 transit needs study
9:24 in addition to that transit needs study
9:26 metro started a freebie transit shuttle
9:28 which was the first iteration of route
9:30 200 which was free for community members
9:33 to use
9:35 between 2003 and 2013
9:38 the city did try to initiate a metro run
9:41 shuttle service with no success outside
9:43 of that rapture
9:45 in 2015 highlands neighborhood efforts
9:49 resulted in route 200 being extended
9:52 into oh sorry let me go back 2013 new
9:55 effort involving the highlands
9:56 neighborhood emerged to consider a local
9:58 shuttle of their own and then in 2015
10:01 those efforts resulted in route 200
10:03 being extended into the highlands and to
10:05 swedish hospital it also led to the
10:07 creation of route
10:09 628 which runs to north bend in salon
10:14 2020 the highlands again explored a
10:17 privately run shuttle option but due to
10:19 high operating costs and the effects of
10:21 the pandemic it was ultimately voted
10:22 down by the highlands council budgetary
10:25 problems due to the pandemic also led
10:27 metro to suspend route 200 and the route
10:29 was ultimately canceled altogether in
10:31 2021
10:35 so zooming in a little bit more
10:37 so efforts to initiate a shuttle service
10:39 for specifically the squawk and talus
10:41 neighborhood started in 2017.
10:44 the city applied for metro's community
10:46 connections program you might be
10:47 familiar there's one it's uh homicide
10:51 sorry
10:52 yeah spanish thank you sorry
10:55 um and then in 2018
10:57 uh the city was selected to explore a
10:59 new project to connect squawk and telus
11:01 to the greater esquad area
11:03 2019 a group was formed to explore those
11:06 options and the program was finalized in
11:09 2020 major changes to metro's project
11:12 management and cobia 19
11:14 forced the projects we put on hold
11:17 and in 2021 metro announced that
11:19 multiple community connections projects
11:21 including this clause were no longer
11:22 prioritized and were canceled altogether
11:28 so that leads us to
11:30 what i'm doing and what the process has
11:31 been most recently
11:34 in 2021 june 2021 the following
11:38 uh following the cancellation of the
11:39 community connections projects
11:41 the administration returned to city
11:43 council for guidance on next steps
11:45 staff had been chatting with metro at
11:47 the time about collaborating on an
11:50 issaquah shuttle and the council advised
11:52 to move forward with the metro
11:53 partnership
11:55 sometime between june 2021 and march 22
11:57 22 when i became part of staff
12:00 metro suspended all pilot projects until
12:02 further notice
12:03 uh and i did confirm that a couple of
12:05 weeks ago and it's still the case all
12:07 final projects have put on a definite
12:10 in fall 2022
12:12 uh we will be going back to council
12:15 which of course coming here to tap
12:16 tonight is kind of the first step in
12:18 that process
12:20 and then i also want to point out that
12:22 in 2023 or 2024 there will be changes to
12:24 bus routes in this depart as a part of
12:26 the east expansion
12:30 and here is the the map of that so
12:33 um here
12:35 not see my text
12:38 so metro is consolidating at least
12:40 as a as a transportation planner myself
12:43 metro is consolidated it seems to be
12:45 consolidating bus lines to create more
12:47 efficiency within their system
12:49 so within transit planning there's
12:51 always a tension between coverage versus
12:53 frequency
12:54 uh metro seems to be moving towards
12:57 frequency in this area and so we'll have
13:00 so there's always a finite amount of
13:01 buses that they have do we have more
13:03 coverage or do we have one you know kind
13:05 of almost express or two kind of
13:07 expresses and have more uh frequency
13:10 come along those lines it looks like
13:11 that that's the direction that metro is
13:13 going
13:16 and then let me see my mouse there you
13:17 can um
13:19 so a couple of notes here the 554 right
13:22 now runs along newport way they will be
13:24 shifting that up to gilman to kind of
13:26 cover that central business district
13:29 and then pop of course back up to the
13:31 highlands
13:34 it go to the essence of transit center
13:35 554 yeah i actually asked that question
13:38 because you can't really tell so it will
13:39 come along i-90 as it always has pop
13:42 into the squad transit center
13:44 go up along gilman downtown past city
13:47 hall and then up to the highlands it's
13:49 going to go down that's true
13:51 that's planned um question yeah the
13:54 metro 214
13:56 uh that goes back from the transfer
13:57 center to downtown seattle what will
13:59 happen
14:00 is be discontinued and is there another
14:02 replacement busted we'll go from the
14:04 transit center to buffy trans center
14:06 then that's not the point for attaching
14:08 the rail to downtown that is a great
14:10 question that i don't know the answer to
14:12 oh i'll take note of that yeah it looks
14:14 like it's gone um
14:16 so that actually that brings us to round
14:18 203 so 203 you'll notice is the orange
14:21 uh line there's not no joint but it's an
14:23 orange line
14:24 uh that will
14:26 the goal of this bus line is to
14:28 basically act
14:30 in place of the future
14:32 link light ram
14:33 uh the the future of the link light rail
14:36 theoretically will come down i-90 and
14:39 the station will be somewhere around
14:41 here
14:42 so this new bus line is supposed to get
14:45 the public used to what it might feel
14:48 like to take that route into a squad
14:51 which is why it'll come down uh newport
14:53 way it'll hit the transit center and
14:55 it'll also have stops in the costco
14:58 campus here
15:00 which will really closely mirror
15:02 hopefully we'll have that
15:03 that connection point the pedestrian or
15:05 bicycle connection uh overpass or
15:07 underpass that is being proposed at the
15:09 moment
15:10 to kind of give uh people who work for
15:12 costco or want to go to the costco area
15:14 a kind of a feel for
15:16 what it might feel like to have a
15:18 transit station right there yeah a
15:19 little question with the new bus routes
15:22 do we have input into the types of buses
15:24 they use whether it's the smaller buses
15:25 opposing the articulated ones uh it'll
15:28 be the articulated one that that's been
15:30 pretty much finalized at this point
15:34 sorry when does the 203 start yes so
15:36 this uh these new routes will go into
15:39 effect i assume that the day that east
15:42 lincoln opens spell view
15:44 so it'll be a concurrent opening to kind
15:47 of uh kind of a big scramble and you
15:50 know getting everything set when the
15:52 east comes again great question
15:54 i think
15:56 dave might have a question there's a
15:57 handout
16:03 yes so the 554 though is then we'll be
16:06 stopping right at bellevue transit
16:08 center in southwest kansas center yes
16:11 yes that's correct
16:13 thank you for that sorry one more
16:14 question we're really
16:16 no please i love it this i know
16:20 um believe it has also been anything
16:23 that's not on here is probably gone this
16:25 is my perception
16:27 uh this is the this is the latest map
16:29 that i was given i i may be wrong about
16:31 that i'm willing to be wrong about that
16:34 it was
16:51 yeah that's my question as far as do we
16:53 have
16:54 i see that someone on the phone has a
16:55 hand up also
16:56 um but they have
16:58 uh do we have input into these bus
17:00 routes for what we'd like to see as far
17:04 as i know
17:06 uh this is i believe this is the final
17:09 draft um all these routes are currently
17:11 if you go to east link on the metro
17:13 website uh the all these routes
17:15 individually have been posted okay so i
17:17 believe that this is what they're in for
17:19 consolidation
17:21 i believe they did a community survey my
17:24 time might be off but a couple maybe
17:26 three four
17:28 six months ago to help
17:30 arrive at this yeah we were part of them
17:33 yeah
17:34 they did come and talk to us
17:36 i don't think we made any it wasn't like
17:38 an agenda item that we
17:40 deliberated on and you know and had any
17:42 deep input but they did come and give us
17:44 an update and i
17:49 so i don't want to get i do want us to
17:50 keep moving um i know we're all very
17:52 interested in this but let's let's stick
17:54 to the matter is there is there a hand
17:57 i was just gonna going to
18:01 participating in the meeting should be
18:02 in person but wanted to ask if you
18:04 wanted to
18:07 address that
18:08 over here i wasn't sure what was
18:10 happening
18:13 what kind of direction were you getting
18:14 from
18:15 from from you if you would like to allow
18:18 david yeah
18:20 if it's okay
18:22 or not yes
18:24 david i am going to a new so it looks
18:28 like you have questions and we are
18:30 allowing you to
18:32 do so now
18:37 thanks for meeting me uh not questions
18:39 so much as comments
18:43 i don't think anybody in that room has
18:45 driven these routes i have
18:48 and i think i can speak
18:50 clearly for
18:51 the fact that i know
18:54 exactly what's happening
18:57 with that route 203
19:00 that's actually
19:02 the highlands
19:04 uh old 200 route that's exactly what
19:07 that is that gold one except it only
19:11 went to the transit center
19:14 the 554
19:18 that's going to be unique when it goes
19:21 through downtown
19:23 that's going to delay it from
19:25 the way it used to run
19:27 so there's major changes coming up
19:31 and i have one
19:33 very important comment to make
19:36 one
19:39 metal transit is extremely short on
19:42 drivers
19:43 so even if these got approved i don't
19:46 know that they would be filled
19:48 if you understand what i'm trying
19:50 to so
19:54 it's too soon
19:56 have this all locked in concrete
19:59 um there's going to have to be a lot of
20:01 recovery on the metro side of the house
20:05 before this ever
20:06 uh comes into being
20:08 and that's
20:09 in my comments thank you
20:13 thanks dude
20:14 yeah thank you
20:15 oh one more time i just looking on the
20:17 easting page and they do show a little
20:18 slightly different bus valve
20:21 and there they do have the 214
20:24 in there
20:29 well in any case it doesn't go up to
20:30 squawker towels yes
20:34 story short
20:35 um honestly i appreciate all your
20:37 comments and questions because i did the
20:38 exact same thing when i saw this map i
20:39 was like what what does it mean um so i
20:42 will move on if that's all right
20:58 i see it goes like oh like just like
21:01 stop at islands or does it go oh yeah
21:04 yeah good point this goes up uh
21:07 up towards
21:09 redmond i think something like that i've
21:10 seen the map it goes it goes it's kind
21:13 of that other uh
21:14 world connection and then does it go
21:17 through i-90 west
21:21 it doesn't stop with the transit center
21:23 right
21:24 oh it's that great one okay so yeah it
21:26 comes
21:26 through here yeah
21:28 great question
21:31 all right
21:34 so i'm gonna
21:36 transition over to the options that we
21:38 we have come up to come up with i'm
21:40 gonna throw a lot of information at you
21:42 so i expect a lot of questions it's
21:43 gonna be really fun i think it's gonna
21:44 be a really great discussion
21:47 so uh
21:49 just to go over these options before i
21:51 dive into them the first option that we
21:53 came up with is waiting for metro to
21:55 relaunch by the programs and pursue king
21:57 county run a king county run shuttle
22:00 the second one
22:01 create and implement a city funded third
22:03 party shuttle
22:05 and third partner with uber and or lyft
22:07 on the subsidized ride share service
22:12 so before before we dive into the actual
22:16 options i do want to go over the
22:17 evaluation criteria that's just so clear
22:20 on it because that is one of the things
22:21 that we're asking feedback on
22:23 so first the cost to use or per ride is
22:26 approximately how much priority per ride
22:29 cost to city per year the projected city
22:32 investment into the program option per
22:34 year
22:35 city administration is the level of
22:37 needed program participation by the city
22:40 convenience is the ease in which the
22:42 service is accessed by the riders
22:46 reliability likelihood that the service
22:48 will arrive when and where writers need
22:50 scalability is that the ability to
22:53 increase that the process of increasing
22:56 the complexity of the
22:58 sorry
23:00 scalability is how is what the service
23:02 area increase process complexity and
23:04 feasibility will be
23:06 equity concerns any potential barriers
23:08 to ridership including income smartphone
23:11 access uh place of residence mobility
23:14 implementations etc
23:16 and timeline is the year of what we
23:19 think the potential startup service
23:20 might be
23:23 uh this evaluation
23:25 just so you know
23:27 when we're evaluating the specific
23:29 service we're not we're looking at the
23:30 service itself it doesn't include the
23:32 time between now and the start of
23:34 service so
23:38 so looking at the
23:40 the wait for metro option
23:43 so this would involve kind of almost a
23:45 bit of a status quo we would just kind
23:47 of keep going the way we've been going
23:49 we'll keep waiting for metro to
23:51 uh to restart those potential pilots
23:57 but once that service starts that's what
23:59 we're analyzing now so the cost
24:02 of the cost of the user per ride would
24:04 be very low it'd be 275 theoretically it
24:07 would be the same cost as a bus that's
24:09 what they do for other other
24:13 shuttle services that they have
24:14 throughout the county
24:16 the cost to the city per year is also
24:19 low
24:20 historically all of those
24:21 responsibilities and costs would be
24:24 born beared
24:27 by uh by the county
24:30 that that would of course mean that the
24:31 city administration level would be quite
24:33 low
24:34 convenience would be very high
24:36 as well as the reliability
24:38 um uh john mortonson and i kind of
24:40 tested that theory out he has the app
24:43 for the one north of issaquah and he
24:45 tested it out and
24:47 to get to his location to another
24:49 location that was like we'll be there in
24:51 10 to 30 minutes like it was it was very
24:53 easy to just grab it
24:55 scalability
24:56 would probably be quite low once metro
24:59 sets their programs up they're pretty
25:01 solid of course they put in a lot of
25:03 time at the beginning to make sure that
25:06 what they're putting into place is the
25:07 right thing for the community
25:10 which means that equity concerns are
25:11 quite locus
25:13 because metro also puts a lot of thought
25:15 into those factors as well
25:18 just so everybody knows it takes metro
25:20 about four years to change a
25:22 program for us
25:23 yes
25:24 yeah thank you i didn't know that it's
25:26 longer than i was hoping so
25:29 uh looking at the timeline so the reason
25:30 why we put 2026 plus
25:33 uh is because metro
25:34 has a bi-yearly budgeting process much
25:37 like what is going to be entering into
25:39 soon
25:40 so the next budgeting cycle yeah i'll
25:43 wait to be honest okay thanks uh the
25:45 next budgeting cycle uh well the
25:47 discussions will be will be had and set
25:50 in november 2022 which is coming up fast
25:52 which will set the budget up for
25:54 2023-2024
25:56 and then uh the next cycle would be
25:58 november 2024
26:00 setting up the note the
26:02 2025-2026 cycle
26:04 theoretically the design for that would
26:06 take place in 2025 and then
26:08 implementation
26:14 yeah so a couple things
26:17 if we're considering options that
26:20 involve the city paying
26:22 subsidizing uh
26:25 is there an option to
26:27 incentivize financially incentivized to
26:29 that level
26:30 metro coming earlier
26:34 that is a great question and i think
26:36 that
26:37 we would have to
26:38 re-enter those discussions with metro
26:40 and they're pretty resistant at this
26:42 point do you think about it
26:43 but i think that might be
26:45 and the other thing is you gotta assume
26:48 metro has done some level of analysis on
26:51 ridership to come to that decision i
26:52 know
26:55 you just heard getting drivers is a
26:58 challenge
26:59 but as we know also ridership is still
27:01 relatively low
27:03 so to me that's in a way them saying
27:06 we're not actually expecting a lot of
27:08 users until later we're expecting a slow
27:10 recovery so
27:12 you know are we
27:13 kind of starting to head a direction
27:15 towards providing a service that even
27:18 metro is thinking well we're not going
27:20 to have enough utilization for
27:22 yeah
27:23 that's a lot yes
27:25 yeah you described it very well i had a
27:27 question about the fair is this since
27:30 it's casey metro with this option um
27:33 would they be eligible for like the
27:35 reduced fare programs etc that they have
27:38 um do you know if the like kid's writing
27:41 free option would you cover this as well
27:43 if if that goes uh through which is i
27:46 think up for discussions decisions soon
27:50 um yeah they they're very good about
27:52 implementing because their ortho program
27:54 is supposed to be all one together and i
27:56 see oh sorry
27:58 let's let john go first
28:01 christie from that side if you could
28:02 raise a little bit your voice when you
28:05 speak that will help with the sound
28:08 thank you
28:09 i was going to add
28:11 and i met
28:13 when john and i met with
28:15 king county metro the
28:18 two biggest thing well the number one
28:20 reason why they said no pilots for now
28:23 was they did not have the
28:25 enough staff to take on new pilots
28:28 and
28:29 then
28:30 when john and i were talking to them we
28:32 were trying to come up with a solution
28:34 to it and we said well what if we take
28:37 care of all the administrative work do
28:39 all the setup work for you in that way
28:43 all you have to do is provide a shuttle
28:46 and a driver and metro said
28:49 might be challenging because like dave
28:51 said there's a shortage of drivers and
28:54 so that's a little bit of extra history
28:56 that
28:57 metro and with why they're not doing
28:59 shuttles at this point but the number
29:01 one reason is they don't have the staff
29:03 capacity to take on another
29:07 pilot project and even if they did they
29:09 probably wouldn't have the drivers to
29:11 staff it
29:17 so kind of similar to micah's point that
29:19 he was making as i'm looking at these
29:21 options
29:22 before you jump in and explain more i'm
29:25 wondering if we have data on the number
29:28 of residents in both of those
29:30 neighborhoods
29:32 if we've surveyed them if we understand
29:34 kind of the trends in terms of the times
29:37 of when they would need such service
29:39 and then also
29:41 just looking at
29:43 what is the city's expectation or return
29:46 on investment
29:47 right because we have many other
29:49 neighborhoods as well that while they
29:51 may not be as steep may still desire the
29:54 same service and so
29:56 understanding what that scalability is
29:59 so it's hard for me to make it to get
30:01 input without having the data behind it
30:04 and i also you know
30:06 would want to know how recent was the
30:09 baddest i think we started having these
30:10 conversations or just applied for
30:13 the grant back in 2017 and as we all
30:16 know everything has changed
30:20 i guess just to build off that a little
30:22 bit more i'm interested to see the cost
30:25 to for the city per ride instead of just
30:29 the cost to the user
30:31 right i don't know what that 100k is
30:33 spread out over or another kid spread
30:37 yeah that's a good point because i know
30:38 that the 200 bus route when it first
30:41 came to fruition was funded by the
30:44 highlands development and that enables
30:47 just very basic
30:49 but it still wasn't enough
30:51 to be fully supportable to the community
30:55 which is very expensive
30:57 so i think for that because that helps
30:59 how much does the city fund
31:02 a certain percentage of the bus have we
31:03 want more bus routes the city funds the
31:05 bus routes or how does that get to as
31:07 far as what the cost of the city would
31:09 be for the bus routes i
31:11 i don't have that information actually
31:13 john might but
31:16 as far as as far as i know i don't think
31:18 so but i'll let john speak to that
31:22 i don't i have an answer to that either
31:27 i haven't heard of that i'll put it that
31:29 way it's not come across
31:31 my radar so
31:36 did you have another question no no
31:38 i think um
31:40 those were some of my very questions um
31:43 i'm gonna maybe suggest we put that in
31:45 the bucket of like let's let him proceed
31:47 and then kind of come back to that
31:48 because i think that maybe some of the
31:50 very
31:51 substance of the discussion we may end
31:53 up getting into amongst us so
31:56 why don't you go ahead and carry on if
31:58 that's all right
31:59 okay perfect yeah and i'll be able to
32:01 provide a little bit of what you're
32:02 asking for
32:04 but yeah
32:09 moving on to this second option so
32:13 investment into a third party system
32:16 um so to give a little bit of context in
32:19 it before i
32:21 go through the how we analyzed it
32:23 um we've been able to talk to
32:27 i've been able to talk to several cities
32:28 across the u.s multiple operators just
32:31 just try to get as much information
32:33 about
32:34 what it looks modernly to run one of
32:36 these services as a third party
32:40 so what i've come across is uh
32:43 basically
32:44 at this point it's about 85
32:47 to 115 dollars an hour to run a private
32:50 shuttle
32:51 uh that includes cost
32:53 driver
32:54 gasoline maintenance
32:56 all those different things
32:59 thankfully we do have a local example in
33:01 our
33:02 highlands shuttle system i was able to
33:04 have multiple chats with lift tango
33:07 which was the provider that they were
33:08 planning on going through
33:10 and
33:11 to for a
33:13 for two 14 passenger vehicles
33:16 they pitched them which would run on a
33:19 basically a flex route which be a kind
33:21 of solid route with the option of door
33:23 to door within a certain
33:26 you could make it a quarter mile you
33:27 could make it 200 feet whatever you
33:28 wanted to do but that's kind of the flex
33:30 route
33:31 they pitched highlands 470
33:35 976 dollars per year so almost half a
33:38 million dollars for two two three
33:39 shuttles for two shuttles that would run
33:41 the hour
33:43 thank you yeah so and that's on a
33:45 limited hour basis so they pitched that
33:48 monday through thursday during peak
33:50 times 9 am tonight or 6 a.m to 9 00 a.m
33:53 and then 3 p.m to 6 p.m
33:55 friday and saturday 9 a.m to 10 00.
34:00 friday and saturday night at 10 a.m to
34:03 10 p.m
34:04 and then sunday is 9 a.m to 6 p.m
34:08 so this uh this system is
34:11 basically monday through thursday peak
34:14 hours and then friday saturday sunday
34:17 most of the day
34:20 for those who wanted to use it
34:22 that breaks down to nineteen thousand
34:23 dollars
34:25 nineteen thousand six hundred and twenty
34:26 four dollars per month
34:28 and uh
34:30 yeah so that's kind of what they were
34:32 looking like looking at so the the route
34:34 would have
34:35 run like a dumbbell as he said it is
34:37 kind of around that loop at the top of
34:39 highlands down to swedish and then back
34:43 maybe two vehicles constantly moving
34:45 during that time
34:46 and then if someone said hey can you
34:47 come to my door there would be that
34:49 option within their app
34:51 question do you know what the ridership
34:53 was
34:54 those shuttles oh i
34:56 did have that data i would have to go
34:58 and find it again um the interest was
35:01 high i will say that the interests they
35:03 did conduct surveys in the highlands
35:04 neighborhoods
35:06 um and they got more than a positive i
35:08 think it was
35:10 60 or 70 positivity people yes i would
35:14 love to use this you know i sometimes i
35:16 want to go down to you know down to the
35:18 bar or whatever
35:20 and i don't want to walk back up that
35:22 hill you know that type of thing so
35:24 there was there was a robust
35:27 desire within the community
35:29 but when when it came to the highlands
35:31 council
35:32 they said that's a lot of money and then
35:35 copenhagen
35:36 just
35:37 kind of called that
35:39 great question
35:42 just could you say the monthly number
35:44 again yeah sorry so the monthly number
35:46 is per vehicle okay got it nineteen
35:49 thousand six hundred and twenty four
35:50 dollars yes
35:52 so it's more like
35:53 forty
35:56 yes
35:57 yeah just under 40 000 a month
36:00 so um i know you just said this but so
36:04 the
36:05 so like two shuttles would circle in the
36:06 same route and then the other shows
36:08 would be on demand so there were there's
36:10 only two shuttles apart so that half a
36:13 million dollars is only two shuttles
36:14 total
36:17 that would have run you know
36:18 concurrently yeah but then like uh
36:21 another like option would potentially be
36:23 like um people could just order on
36:25 demand like the show to come pick them
36:27 up for their house that that is another
36:29 type of model yes
36:32 and another another thing that i will i
36:34 will add is in chatting with uh
36:37 one operator
36:39 company that liftanger was going to use
36:42 and do use for their shuttle systems
36:44 across the world actually now
36:47 is that
36:48 if you
36:51 there is a cost difference between
36:53 running it all the time
36:54 and doing peak hours so thinking about
36:57 that driver's shortage that we've been
36:59 talking about it's really hard to find
37:01 drivers to to drive all day it's even
37:04 harder to find them just to do paint
37:06 times
37:06 because it's part-time work
37:09 so that's another factor dave has a
37:11 question let's go ahead and meet dave oh
37:13 yeah
37:14 dave i'm going to near you now
37:20 thank you
37:21 question was
37:22 the figure you gave which
37:37 go ahead
37:39 okay
37:39 um so that
37:41 approximately 20 000
37:43 per shuttle per month
37:47 that's only
37:49 what we used to call
37:57 connector service which is basically
38:01 it only runs in the morning only runs in
38:03 the afternoon it's not all day and it's
38:06 only four days a week is that correct
38:09 and that's also only for the highlands
38:13 doesn't
38:16 take care of palace or
38:19 uh downtown
38:23 yes yeah the this is uh highland
38:25 specific and it and that amount does
38:28 kind of nestle within that 400 000 to
38:31 hundred thousand would be cost added uh
38:33 we don't want to be more gas i guess
38:36 than gossip gas costs
38:39 so the other difficulty is
38:42 in order to make that work for
38:44 meeting transportation
38:46 you'd actually have to have four vans
38:50 to do
38:51 that work two up in the islands and two
38:55 up in talus
38:57 as well as being able to take care of
38:59 downtown to shuttle
39:01 to and from
39:03 the
39:04 transit center
39:06 so uh
39:08 i'm just trying to get this figure in my
39:11 head so
39:12 440 000
39:15 just for the two shuttle buses
39:17 uh to take care of the highlands per
39:19 year correct
39:22 471 000 about 40 so okay 471 000
39:28 i know that the city used to pay
39:32 400 000
39:34 for the 200 a year
39:36 but that was
39:38 full service
39:39 uh from six in the morning up to about
39:43 seven or eight at night
39:45 and that was just one bus
39:52 the other comment i just have to
39:55 please forgive me
39:56 i've been in this for a long time
39:59 and
40:01 there is such a severe shortage of
40:03 drivers
40:05 that
40:05 i'm worried that any company that
40:08 promises that they can get drivers
40:13 i'm suspect i'm suspect from the get-go
40:18 thank you for letting me make the
40:20 comments and ask the questions
40:22 you're welcome absolutely yeah
40:25 so um i'm glad you picked on that driver
40:28 issue because i'm concerned about that
40:30 and we have shuttles at work and we have
40:33 problems with them showing up um
40:36 how would you collect the money for that
40:39 and what's the city administration cost
40:42 estimated to be you say moderate but
40:44 what does that actually mean oh um yeah
40:46 i'll start with the city admin
40:48 question first so this is the cost of
40:50 resources uh the the cost per the
40:53 monetary cost we roll into that uh high
40:57 cost of city per year city admin
40:59 categories
41:00 resources the number of uh staff
41:03 dedicated you know that type of thing
41:05 yeah
41:06 so um
41:08 before you get to the uh how does the
41:10 user actually pay for that
41:12 across the city every year so we're
41:14 talking we've heard two shuttles we've
41:16 heard
41:16 four shuttles i didn't hear from you
41:19 are you proposing two shuttles at 471k
41:23 plus city cost or is that including city
41:25 costs are you proposing four
41:28 at whatever cost is that including city
41:30 codes yeah it's interesting that um you
41:32 mentioned before
41:33 so as far as our analysis at this point
41:37 we believe that if we were to pursue
41:39 this
41:40 at that you know roughly 500 000
41:44 mark it could be higher now because this
41:46 is 2020 numbers inflation's gone up
41:48 something might be higher
41:52 the
41:53 oh shoot
41:59 go ahead yeah you're just saying about
42:01 uh how many shuttles
42:02 yes um so yeah that is that is we're
42:04 thinking too okay um
42:07 we because um because of state law with
42:11 with metro uh we can't you know we can't
42:14 provide a shuttle that interferes with
42:16 any other metro line so it's actually
42:18 good that they're shifting the uh the
42:21 554 up to gilman from newport because
42:24 that would give us the autonomy to
42:26 create a system that would wrap in and
42:29 out of
42:30 squawk into the central businesses
42:32 district over to talus and so we think
42:34 that we probably could make
42:37 a two shuttle system work
42:40 it would of course be better with three
42:42 or four
42:42 but that would be that would have to be
42:44 a discussion so we're thinking about
42:45 kind of the base like if we can get two
42:48 shuttles what would it be
42:50 and then we could go from there of
42:52 course we would have to have a company
42:54 come in such as liftango uh for example
42:57 to come in and analyze that for us so
43:00 yeah with the shuttle op actually with
43:03 all the options what is the um like a
43:06 fixed drop bus i can like put my bike on
43:08 the front
43:09 uh what are the options for that maybe
43:12 any of these
43:13 funny you should ask that i literally i
43:15 thought that yesterday afternoon
43:18 so i think the the shuttles that you can
43:21 that
43:22 purchase do can include the bike an
43:25 accessory um
43:27 probably a small class
43:29 yeah
43:30 yeah
43:32 but that would definitely be a priority
43:33 since we want more bikers
43:36 and well in that same vein of
43:38 sustainability reducing carbon etc um
43:43 are would these i think this is probably
43:45 too far in the future but would these be
43:47 conventional like combustion and gas
43:49 engines were using gasoline or is it
43:52 evs do you make eb bands we should know
43:54 that that's a great question and uh
43:57 you know it just kind of depends on
43:58 which direction you know
44:00 what
44:01 the budget is what the
44:03 consultant would say you know all of
44:05 those different factors i would love
44:06 electric but you know is it feasible
44:08 right now do we have enough charging in
44:10 this supply to handle it
44:18 cool
44:20 um so just to i think we've pretty much
44:22 covered all this but i'll walk you
44:24 through the different factors here too
44:26 um so
44:27 uh in analyzing through these criteria
44:30 costs are rooted to the user provide
44:33 zero to two dollars is the amount that
44:36 has been quoted to me multiple times if
44:38 you go higher than two dollars on a
44:40 private shuttle people start to not use
44:42 which is very interesting that's what
44:43 kind of the national
44:45 data shows
44:46 cost of city per year 400 to 800 000.
44:50 roughly
44:51 uh city administration we would of
44:53 course be partners with this third party
44:55 they would do most of the work but of
44:57 course there would be some you know
44:58 marketing work there would be
45:01 a sure back end some back-end you know
45:04 communication and collaboration to get
45:06 the word out to make sure that you know
45:09 everything is being paid for it we'll go
45:11 back to cost of user per ride because i
45:13 didn't address that before
45:15 a lot of
45:17 a lot of these companies do are
45:18 app-based but they provide a secondary
45:21 you know dial ride basically um
45:25 call and say i live here can you pick me
45:28 that's pretty ubiquitous across the
45:30 across the
45:33 we think that convenience
45:35 would be high because we would you would
45:37 know where the shuttles are they're
45:38 running on the same track theoretically
45:40 unless we were doing on demand which the
45:43 problem with on demand is
45:45 the cost would be higher because you
45:47 would have you'd be paying for drivers
45:49 sitting there instead of driving around
45:50 so there's that cost benefit element
45:53 uh reliability would also be very high
45:56 because it's only the only you know it's
45:58 only a couple miles away at most
46:00 so you would know that it would be on
46:01 its way
46:03 scalability uh is moderate it's not
46:06 possible to kind of flex those different
46:08 boundaries and you know what the
46:10 coverage might be but of course there
46:12 would be some work that would have to go
46:13 into it
46:15 equity concerns are low in our opinion
46:18 uh because we would because it's a
46:20 city run
46:22 or a city
46:24 contracted system we would you know make
46:27 sure to address all of those
46:30 necessary equity issues that would come
46:32 up would be a very high priority
46:35 and then finally timeline we're thinking
46:37 2023
46:39 plus at the minimum because we would
46:41 have to go through the process of you
46:43 know finding a company to collaborate
46:45 with getting the studies done for the
46:47 data that we would like to see what the
46:49 feasibility is and then
46:52 probably by
46:53 mid or late next year we would actually
46:55 have something to to get going if
46:58 everything fell into place including and
47:00 we find shuttles can we find drivers can
47:02 we find all of those things so
47:05 yeah any questions on that
47:10 great
47:12 moving on to our third option which is a
47:14 partnership with uber and lyft
47:17 so we've had the opportunity to chat
47:19 with both uber and lyft hype about a
47:22 hypothetical system or a hypothetical
47:24 partnership
47:26 so i will start off with uber because
47:28 uber and lyft have two different
47:30 models that they're offering so i'll
47:32 tell you about both of them
47:34 so the first one with uber uber was able
47:37 to give us some data
47:38 um they they they like to play pretty
47:41 tight to the chest with their with their
47:43 data and ridership
47:44 um but they weren't able able to tell us
47:47 that on average there are six thousand
47:49 uber rides per month that's just in the
47:52 city
47:53 which i was very surprised about
47:56 six thousand a month um and that they
47:58 they controlled for the city and then
48:00 they you know ran the data it was six
48:02 thousand on
48:05 like from the average
48:06 too yeah yeah um and internally those
48:10 rides if you're going just to the side
48:12 they're about one to three miles uh on
48:13 average
48:15 so that's six thousand internal rides
48:18 not people coming from the airport well
48:20 let's let's consider that
48:22 it's going to be the best look for uber
48:25 and this is no fall on uber on any
48:27 computer provides that business
48:29 to have the highest ridership possible
48:31 in a conversation like this
48:47 like any like no
48:49 no they did not
48:50 um yeah they they they could only per uh
48:53 company policy only give out so much
48:55 information until you enter into talks
48:57 with them seriously a contract
49:05 and i'll get to that in a second
49:06 actually
49:08 includes like uber food deliveries for
49:10 free
49:11 i don't think so i think it's just
49:13 ridership i could be fixed
49:16 so some possible program options that
49:19 they they pitched to us were
49:22 they had subsidized voucher programs so
49:24 basically we would reduce so on average
49:27 in issaquah
49:28 the cost of a ride and they calculated
49:31 for i think it was
49:32 talus to the high school i'm not
49:34 mistaken it was around 12 12 50 uh
49:37 without peak or anything like that so
49:39 just kind of base
49:41 so what they do is they offer
49:43 voucher programs and this cost would
49:45 come from the city the city would
49:47 basically
49:48 subsidize rides down to two dollars so
49:50 that no matter what if you're inside the
49:52 city
49:53 and going from point to point not
49:55 outside like you said uh only you would
49:58 you would be able to get it down to two
50:00 dollars
50:01 just like uh that private shuttle option
50:04 um in arizona there's a specific city
50:06 which i don't know which one it was but
50:09 they there was a city that had a former
50:10 shuttle system and they decided this is
50:13 we would rather do something else and so
50:14 they approached uber and they weren't
50:16 able to put in virtual excuse me virtual
50:19 bus stops
50:21 including posting up qr codes which
50:24 people would scan with their phone or
50:25 the app itself
50:27 and it would auto populate the app and
50:29 basically automatically give them that
50:31 voucher
50:32 down to two dollars as long as the start
50:34 and end point was within the city that
50:36 they were operating
50:38 but they have to go to a stop and stop
50:40 from their house yes yeah um to or from
50:44 yeah base or i guess it would be
50:46 at the point of origin yeah
50:48 um there's also the option to
50:51 restrict the length of subsidized rides
50:53 for example so
50:55 just to kind of make sure that people
50:56 aren't using it to go to factoria
51:00 you know they would restrict it to six
51:02 miles or three miles or whatever
51:17 they can also create geofence zones uh
51:20 going back to the scooters uh
51:22 the geofence zone institute that would
51:24 also could also trigger those subsidies
51:26 so that kind of pitches all these
51:28 different ideas
51:29 to kind of
51:31 craft what kind of program
51:34 as far as costs the city would only be
51:36 responsible for those subsidies and then
51:38 the marketing to make sure the community
51:40 knows about what's going on
51:43 um getting into uh the best practices
51:45 side of things
51:48 they they said that they would do a lot
51:49 of testing in advance
51:51 their words uh three there'd be a like a
51:53 three to four week startup time post
51:56 contract signing
51:57 so when they get close to the agreement
52:00 uber triggers uh kind of a setup phase
52:04 so that's that was kind of that like
52:05 weird murky place there so like if it
52:07 seems like we're very serious and we're
52:09 getting that point that we're about to
52:11 sign that would trigger uber to start
52:13 setting things up
52:14 then once the contract is signed they
52:16 begin testing
52:18 then there would be a soft launch so
52:20 that some people would be able to use it
52:23 if they knew about it for example then
52:25 there'd be a marketing phase and then
52:26 they would do a hard actual formal
52:28 launch
52:30 they would market it themselves we would
52:32 do the marketing so we would be a
52:33 collaboration yeah
52:34 they would provide the materials and we
52:36 would make sure that it gets the right
52:38 places
52:39 are any of these
52:41 um okay somewhere with the scooters yeah
52:44 that was uh
52:45 like seasonal like seasonality played
52:48 into that does that play into any of
52:49 this
52:50 uh shouldn't yeah um
52:54 i i don't think so you know there is
52:56 that limiting factor of drivers um
52:58 granted drivers are
53:00 you know they're a little bit more
53:01 popular west of here so that would be
53:06 you know there would be some limiting
53:07 factors there which i have more data
53:09 about that on from lyft's side so i'll
53:10 get to that
53:12 um in fact i guess we could move on the
53:15 lift if no one has any questions about
53:18 one of the concerns was moderate yeah
53:21 yes i did have one other question about
53:22 um you said they would do a test phase
53:24 and then presumably if they're going to
53:25 do that test then they're going to want
53:27 was there a discussion about a typical
53:29 length of the contract
53:32 in years i don't think we touched on
53:35 that at any point i think it's probably
53:37 a formal like year contract that's
53:39 usually what happens with stuff like
53:40 this
53:41 and then we revisit it every year and
53:43 everything to make sure that it's going
53:47 but it's also
53:48 most might also be thinking of standards
53:53 yeah so going on to lyft
53:55 they we were able to get a lot more data
53:56 from lyft um so in in issaquah the
54:00 average ride costs 13.50 so it's a
54:02 little higher with lift
54:04 the average estimated time of arrival
54:07 once you push the button that you want
54:08 to ride is 10 to 20 minutes so you know
54:11 there's less drivers out here which
54:13 makes sense there's less demand
54:17 and currently under the lift rides
54:19 there's currently 2 400 left right
54:22 so that is substantially less but also
54:24 lyft is not as popular
54:28 as uber
54:29 so that actually makes a lot of sense
54:31 um and then uh
54:34 there they were able to provide specific
54:37 data an average of 260 monthly rides
54:40 begin or end in squat catalyst so we do
54:42 have that very specific data so there is
54:45 some ridership some demand from just
54:47 people who have the app and want to go
54:48 places
54:53 right and they could still be going to
54:56 the airport they could still be going to
54:57 the airport yes
54:59 um yes
55:00 okay they're not just the city
55:03 not necessarily
55:08 so then moving into the possible options
55:10 that lift has given us so they have a
55:13 thing called lift pass which is uh
55:15 organizational so they work with
55:17 organizations businesses and or cities
55:20 to cover all a portion of the cost per
55:22 ride so they already kind of have that
55:23 type of program set
55:25 and they gave me a specific example
55:27 summit new jersey
55:30 they have they have a system in place
55:32 that is really really targeted
55:36 um so it's a to and from their local
55:39 train station because this is new jersey
55:40 or tran you're commuting into new york
55:42 city um to and from the local train
55:45 station within summit
55:47 there's a limit of two rides subsidized
55:49 rides per day so theoretically home to
55:51 train station train station to home
55:54 and for those who pay a train station
55:57 monthly parking pass it's free to them
56:00 so it kind of synthesizes that
56:02 on the other hand uh for those without a
56:04 parking pass it's two dollars per ride
56:07 and um
56:09 so that so that system
56:11 um hopefully i'm speaking clearly
56:13 absolutely the train station people who
56:14 live within the city you can't like live
56:16 out without outside the city both one of
56:20 the uh one of the points of origin or
56:22 destination has to be the train station
56:24 and the other one has to be within the
56:26 city of summit
56:27 okay just want to make sure that it's
56:29 clear um
56:31 and then uh then lyft basically told us
56:34 um that they could currently support a
56:36 partnership with a cap of 500
56:39 subsidized rides per month which is
56:41 higher than even the ridership of lyft
56:44 per month double so
56:46 that's also an interesting factor
56:50 any questions about
56:55 so then looking at how we uh analyzed it
56:58 all
56:59 it's all already been an hour
57:02 so looking at yeah so they were i was
57:05 left also quoting the non-peak hour
57:11 rate of 13.50 yeah as their average yeah
57:14 it's like they're or it's another
57:15 average or they're like
57:17 base without the peak i think i think it
57:18 was that actually yeah
57:23 um so using our criteria cost per user
57:26 per ride uh it's not zero to two dollars
57:28 we can set that whatever we want it we
57:31 want it to be depending on how much we
57:32 want to subsidize
57:34 um customers to the city per year we
57:36 would say is moderate
57:38 we did some we did some kind of back of
57:40 the envelope calculations
57:43 and it seems to come out to around 50 to
57:46 100 000 per year
57:48 um of course we would have to
57:51 figure out exactly how much you know how
57:54 much that would be and that caught that
57:56 600 rides per month i believe
57:59 pencils out to within that number
58:01 i remember right
58:04 city at admin time also moderate kind of
58:06 the same reasons as we had for the third
58:09 party system shuttle that's because you
58:11 know the marketing
58:14 operations and make sure that people are
58:16 good
58:16 need etc
58:18 convenience would be
58:20 high um
58:22 because
58:23 it's door-to-door service
58:25 i saw that too okay
58:28 it's probably haunted in here
58:32 so and then reliability
58:34 is moderate just because the drivers are
58:36 probably coming in from outside
58:39 generally there's someone to come pick
58:40 you up but you never know that's it's a
58:43 it's it's
58:45 capitalism that's fine as i guess you
58:46 could say
58:47 um and then we have scalability
58:50 scalability is super high we need to
58:51 flex it as much as we want in the future
58:53 if we wanted to cover the entirety of
58:55 this aqua with the subsidy we could
58:57 easily do that
58:59 um and then equity concerns of course
59:01 moderate with any sort of uh issues
59:04 again coming back to scooters it's kind
59:06 of the same issues there you know it's
59:08 app face yes they have a phone number
59:10 it's kind of calling sometimes it's kind
59:12 of clunky you know
59:14 i think they do it they run it as well
59:15 as they can
59:17 um and there's always customer service
59:19 but there's always kind of that barrier
59:22 that if you don't have a smartphone then
59:24 you're probably less likely to try to
59:26 use an uber because what happens when
59:27 you get to your destination you don't
59:28 have a landline to use
59:34 the other piece here is the timeline uh
59:37 timeline this could happen very fast if
59:40 we put the trigger on it
59:42 sorry uh if we if we went ahead with it
59:46 so the uh
59:48 we could get this going by the end of
59:50 the year theoretically uh it's a it's a
59:52 very it's a pretty quick option
59:55 um so with that
59:57 i'll switch to this screen which kind of
59:59 shows everything
1:00:01 um and before we
1:00:03 before i hand it off to cynthia i just
1:00:05 wanted to remind everyone you know what
1:00:07 we're looking for this evening so first
1:00:10 we're looking for any changes to that
1:00:11 evaluation are we missing anything we
1:00:13 really want to know if any criteria is
1:00:15 missing if you think any of the criteria
1:00:17 is a little bit much you know that type
1:00:19 of thing we'd love to hear feedback on
1:00:22 uh pros and cons of that first mile last
1:00:24 mile option
1:00:25 uh we'd love to talk through what it
1:00:28 might look like what your feelings are
1:00:31 i don't know exactly sure what you mean
1:00:32 my personal laughs though oh sorry so
1:00:36 you're right i forgot to define that so
1:00:37 for one of those transportation plans
1:00:40 it's always in my brain so i assume
1:00:42 everyone knows so first of all last mile
1:00:44 refers to
1:00:47 the ability of people to get to transit
1:00:50 basically so one of the big issues with
1:00:52 transit planning
1:00:55 especially if you're moving into more of
1:00:56 a frequency model and less of a coverage
1:00:58 model is
1:00:59 uh yeah you might have really great
1:01:01 service from your transit center into
1:01:05 seattle for example
1:01:06 uh but if you can't get there very
1:01:08 easily right
1:01:10 you know you probably will use your car
1:01:13 basically um
1:01:15 and that also comes into like
1:01:16 paratransit type of things with people
1:01:18 with disabilities you know that's also
1:01:20 the first model
1:01:21 option for people who can't drive or are
1:01:24 unable to afford a car um
1:01:27 that's also kind of falls within that
1:01:29 definition of the first mile last mile
1:01:31 does that answer the question
1:01:33 yes okay
1:01:36 great and then uh finally uh we would
1:01:38 love to ultimately kind of make a collab
1:01:41 we would love you to make a collective
1:01:43 recommendation
1:01:44 or um at least um you know somewhat of a
1:01:48 you know distilled down uh
1:01:50 recommendation that uh
1:01:53 through all these discussions uh this
1:01:55 evening so
1:01:58 sorry for uh
1:02:03 i wanted to ask your patients because it
1:02:05 would you finish oh yeah that's i think
1:02:07 that's it well i should i want to ask
1:02:10 you to indulge some um because i
1:02:12 actually thought a lot about this we
1:02:14 talked about this a little bit but about
1:02:15 how i wanted to to do this because i
1:02:18 think um
1:02:19 there's a lot of really great minds at
1:02:21 this table and i think
1:02:24 two years on video has made it hard to
1:02:27 have some of these debates but i also
1:02:29 think that sometimes that we're given
1:02:31 that the agenda sometimes don't really
1:02:33 lend themselves to a deep dive and so i
1:02:36 wanted to try something um today and and
1:02:40 i also discussed it with the vice chair
1:02:41 julian and so if you'll indulge me i had
1:02:44 kind of a way i wanted to facilitate
1:02:46 this and then it can be a free-for-all
1:02:47 later and we still have lots of time so
1:02:49 um what what i what i wanted to do is uh
1:02:53 and i hadn't even thought about
1:02:55 i had thought about your question but i
1:02:57 think there's a question of
1:02:58 like do we even think
1:03:00 is there enough service
1:03:02 um demand to do this and i think that we
1:03:04 should table that for the moment but i
1:03:06 think it should we should circle back to
1:03:07 it and i hate those words circle back to
1:03:10 it and crosswalk and
1:03:12 um i think that we should not forget
1:03:14 about that and i think if we want to
1:03:16 have a discussion about that that may be
1:03:18 a layer um because i've i've had some
1:03:20 questions about that as well because we
1:03:22 don't have a good sense of the scope of
1:03:23 the problem
1:03:24 but the one i think
1:03:26 uh one one thing i wanted to do is go
1:03:28 backwards and thank you for moving to
1:03:32 slide
1:03:34 well i want to do two things the first
1:03:35 is i want you to
1:03:37 um i'm going to ask a question i just
1:03:39 want you to jot your answer down
1:03:41 i don't want you to share it quite yet
1:03:44 and the first one is this last question
1:03:46 of it so so let's table the discussion
1:03:49 about whether we should be doing moving
1:03:51 forward with anything like if we think
1:03:53 this didn't the demand is high enough
1:03:55 and i think
1:03:56 this has been the way i understand it
1:03:59 it's been discussed at council for a
1:04:00 very long time in there and they really
1:04:03 they want to
1:04:04 go further on this so in a way that part
1:04:07 isn't even necessarily what they're
1:04:09 asking of us but i think it still means
1:04:11 we can answer that question if we want
1:04:13 but i want you to just take the three
1:04:15 options that they we've discussed at
1:04:17 length and just jot down the order
1:04:20 of priority for um what you would pick
1:04:23 if it were up to you making the
1:04:25 recommendations by yourself
1:04:26 so um i just want you to take a moment
1:04:29 to think about the order that you would
1:04:30 say is the answer that question don't
1:04:33 tell us what you think but what
1:04:35 okay i won't say what i think uh there's
1:04:38 an option to choose
1:04:40 uh two
1:04:42 uh okay
1:04:43 put them in order just like the first
1:04:45 your first choice your second choice
1:04:46 your third choice so do we divide up
1:04:48 uber or lift or we're just gonna assume
1:04:50 that's just one
1:04:52 option okay uh yeah i would just do the
1:04:56 prior ride share this one
1:04:58 so i understand why you want to table
1:04:59 that that first part but i think that
1:05:01 ties into the equity concerns
1:05:04 well i'll tell you what i'm gonna do i'm
1:05:06 gonna no no it's okay it's fine because
1:05:07 this is we're all figuring this out and
1:05:09 so i'm absolutely but what i wanted to
1:05:11 do is we're gonna do it again
1:05:13 and i want to discuss the criteria
1:05:16 and so um
1:05:17 [Music]
1:05:18 you'll be coming back to it and
1:05:19 hopefully you're
1:05:21 i'll get at what your point is and if
1:05:23 not then
1:05:25 we'll visit it again if that's okay so
1:05:26 go ahead and write down um your number
1:05:28 one choice i guess i get to do that too
1:05:32 and then i want to talk about the
1:05:33 criteria and what we think is the most
1:05:35 important
1:05:37 not just how each thing scores on it but
1:05:39 anyway so i'm going to write mine down
1:05:42 i have a really good question about um
1:05:45 is there a budget for like how much the
1:05:47 city can like a lot to this project
1:05:50 because if it's like 2 million
1:05:52 then that like doesn't affect my options
1:05:55 but it's like 200 000 then that doesn't
1:06:00 i think for now
1:06:03 let's just make it a non-issue and we'll
1:06:04 just say
1:06:06 it could be anything
1:06:08 yeah go for it for the service is it
1:06:10 fair to say that the budget the council
1:06:12 will have a budget cycle prior to this
1:06:13 being implemented and they could budget
1:06:15 for it if they were convinced that it
1:06:16 made sense that's that
1:06:20 so so there isn't
1:06:23 a budget because they haven't gotten to
1:06:24 budgeting that cycle yet yeah
1:06:29 right the bus is not
1:06:47 it can't happen right away this feels
1:06:50 like there's math problems like in
1:06:52 school that you've had to like
1:06:55 relax for a while
1:07:06 already written down their options
1:07:07 because i realized that
1:07:10 i'm having a difficult time because
1:07:11 there are some unanswered questions
1:07:13 about the um
1:07:15 yeah but i'm going to do it anyway
1:07:22 okay when she comes back we will
1:07:26 say what are do we want to take a take
1:07:28 two no
1:07:29 [Music]
1:07:33 we just got right to the point
1:07:36 it was a lot it threw a lot at you i
1:07:38 recognized that why don't we take two
1:07:40 and then we'll come back and i'm going
1:07:42 to just ask everyone to say what they um
1:07:45 don't talk about
1:07:47 don't talk about it
1:07:49 well that's a great question
1:10:23 all right so we are just coming back
1:10:25 from a two-minute break and at this
1:10:27 point we're going to go around
1:10:29 and just say which option
1:10:32 was your first choice and i'm just gonna
1:10:34 make a check mark for everyone who said
1:10:36 option one was their first choice
1:10:42 is option one your first choice
1:10:49 only with a caveat that we have three
1:10:51 because one's free one out of
1:10:52 the other one is a supplement one could
1:10:55 be a backbone number one is number one
1:10:57 your first choice
1:11:08 i think i'd go to three
1:11:09 is i'm sorry
1:11:11 no okay
1:11:14 um what did i write okay um great okay
1:11:18 was option two anyone's first choice
1:11:26 okay it was not my first choice okay
1:11:29 okay was option three anyone's first
1:11:32 choice
1:11:33 okay so one
1:11:36 three
1:11:38 um four okay step one
1:11:43 how many oh wait a minute vote for
1:11:45 option three not two oops oh so no one's
1:11:49 first choice was obviously two
1:11:52 otherwise three because one's free so
1:11:59 so i'm learning as we go and i'm not
1:12:02 gonna ask everyone to tell me their
1:12:03 second and third choice because i think
1:12:05 that's less interesting what i'd rather
1:12:06 do is have the people who chose each of
1:12:09 them now so the total score for first
1:12:11 choice is number one there were three
1:12:13 people
1:12:14 nobody had number two as the first
1:12:15 choice and five people do we have eight
1:12:18 people one no no you voted
1:12:24 five six seven okay
1:12:27 one two three
1:12:28 four five six seven nine oh i've had it
1:12:34 oh gosh david thank you i'm sorry i keep
1:12:37 forgetting
1:12:38 david are you tracking and did you have
1:12:40 a did can you tell us what your first
1:12:42 choice was
1:12:51 are you still there david
1:12:54 i'm you
1:12:55 most famous word last two years yeah
1:13:00 well if he comes back we'll we'll note
1:13:02 his uh so we had three and four and they
1:13:05 had nobody had um number two as the
1:13:07 first choice
1:13:08 so how about someone who said number one
1:13:11 i'm gonna give it to you tom go ahead
1:13:12 and tell us why you thought number one
1:13:14 was your first choice
1:13:16 you're just dying to share so please
1:13:18 well i thought one one is free and so
1:13:21 regardless if you did the other two why
1:13:22 not do one anyway
1:13:24 and so
1:13:26 i was thinking that i liked the uber
1:13:29 for less let's just call it uber because
1:13:30 like uber like google means everything
1:13:34 because that can be like a feeder line
1:13:36 into a baseline
1:13:39 i thought
1:13:40 quite a great option less expensive and
1:13:44 it can very well pinpoint where needs
1:13:46 are fitting into number one
1:13:50 so i want to make kind of a point of
1:13:52 order i guess
1:13:54 that's a group i'm very glad you brought
1:13:56 that up um
1:13:58 i i doubt anyone here is opposed to one
1:14:03 my guess is really we're all thinking
1:14:07 stop gap measure
1:14:09 whether we're directly thinking that or
1:14:11 not and that's a very different question
1:14:14 it's do we want
1:14:16 in 2026 do we want to try and push for
1:14:20 and if so do we want to provide some
1:14:22 solution between now and then
1:14:26 exactly
1:14:27 yeah that's the excellent part because
1:14:28 if we do uber
1:14:29 now for a couple years he'll we can kind
1:14:32 of get some data where are people going
1:14:34 to and then i can take number one and
1:14:37 here's the route that we want and you
1:14:38 could start really small too and just do
1:14:40 it and also there's that risk
1:14:44 for the option one then it might never
1:14:46 happen two because of the shortage of
1:14:49 people the lack of funds maybe that
1:14:52 metro has so we don't know if ridership
1:14:55 and transit is going to pick up and
1:14:56 they're going to have more dollars to
1:14:58 spend time with us
1:15:01 so that's another reason
1:15:03 to go
1:15:04 with number three but you've seen that
1:15:06 because i've just looked at the
1:15:08 amtrak numbers the sounder numbers and
1:15:10 the bus on the cameras and they're all
1:15:14 they are
1:15:16 but that 214 bus is still pretty empty
1:15:19 well actually because that's when i take
1:15:21 everybody and it's getting cooler
1:15:37 but it may depend on the time too so
1:15:39 right now
1:15:46 david go ahead thank you
1:15:51 hi there can you hear me
1:15:57 can can you hear me
1:16:00 we can hear you and i think the question
1:16:02 uh that cynthia was asking is
1:16:06 of the three options
1:16:08 which was your first choice
1:16:15 so my first uh option is
1:16:19 a week for the metro shuttle
1:16:22 i guess you all figured i'd probably say
1:16:26 and i'll tell you why
1:16:28 i i think
1:16:30 that on the
1:16:32 looking at the cost per user
1:16:35 one of the things that they
1:16:41 you cut out dave
1:16:43 i'm sorry there's
1:16:45 there's some feedback from this trying
1:16:48 to do this
1:16:50 on the phone
1:16:52 i get not only your voices but i get the
1:16:54 voice of the
1:16:56 whoever that is
1:16:58 trying to tell me what i can do and what
1:17:01 i can't do
1:17:06 how are these people going to pay for
1:17:10 on their own
1:17:11 the cost of the user how are they going
1:17:13 to pay
1:17:16 gonna be in addition to
1:17:18 an orca card correct
1:17:23 for well for the metro option it would
1:17:26 likely built in to be built into the
1:17:28 orca system and then the uh
1:17:31 yeah and then the
1:17:34 third party
1:17:36 third party and
1:17:38 and uh uber lip is gonna be an
1:17:41 additional cost
1:17:42 correct the outside the orca system that
1:17:45 is correct
1:17:46 correct
1:17:48 what it would be for the metro shuttle
1:17:51 for the
1:17:53 transit rider is going to be
1:17:56 simply a transfer
1:17:58 so they begin their trip
1:18:01 in the highlands or up in
1:18:06 wherever they begin their trip
1:18:09 and then at the transit center it's
1:18:11 simply a transfer so there's no
1:18:14 additional cost to them
1:18:16 so this would be an additional cost
1:18:19 to them it's also going to be an
1:18:22 additional cost
1:18:24 the city both the shuttle third party
1:18:30 moderate cost to the city per year
1:18:34 no cost to the city if we wait
1:18:39 but up my my pick is to wait
1:18:42 until
1:18:43 the metro shuttle
1:18:45 and i don't think it'll be 2026 i think
1:18:48 it'll be before that
1:18:54 thank you
1:18:59 so i think it's interesting that we had
1:19:02 four and four
1:19:05 and i think
1:19:07 uh you make a really good point about
1:19:09 the point of order
1:19:12 i wanted to give anyone else an
1:19:13 opportunity to share why they put what
1:19:15 they did that hasn't been brought up yet
1:19:18 they should mention them specifically
1:19:21 not four or four i'm not just
1:19:25 one it's unlike you or for both
1:19:27 as you pointed out but i'm hesitant
1:19:29 enough four sorry three
1:19:32 hesitant on three
1:19:35 you you i'm one one but i'm not just
1:19:40 and you know trying to figure out a stop
1:19:41 gap i'm hesitant on three
1:19:46 and did you have anything to add about
1:19:47 why you were for number one that hasn't
1:19:50 been already been said 4-1 no
1:19:52 anybody else who voted voted for
1:19:57 pitched one want to share anything that
1:19:59 hasn't been talked about already
1:20:03 just uh just in terms of uh for one
1:20:07 um it's a service we're paying for
1:20:09 as citizens so i think it's important to
1:20:12 continue to
1:20:15 advocate for service from them for our
1:20:17 community
1:20:19 also i voted for one because not having
1:20:21 the data of really understanding what
1:20:23 the ridership is
1:20:26 fully
1:20:27 that's another factor
1:20:31 and then just
1:20:33 understanding the cost of the city is a
1:20:35 pretty big
1:20:37 investment
1:20:39 and i think what we i think we need to
1:20:42 what we do for
1:20:44 these neighborhoods we need to as a
1:20:46 community also be prepared to do for
1:20:48 other neighborhoods
1:20:53 okay thanks uh so
1:20:56 uh this is the this is um now i want to
1:20:59 give the opportunity for those who voted
1:21:00 for three
1:21:02 i advocated for three to share about why
1:21:04 they thought that um joseph do you want
1:21:06 to start with that yeah sure um i guess
1:21:10 on the separate like reasoning um i was
1:21:14 gonna ask so for option one would
1:21:17 marketing fall on metro or would it fall
1:21:20 on this
1:21:22 yeah that's our understanding that it
1:21:24 would the marketing would come from
1:21:27 i guess that the main reason why i chose
1:21:29 for not the main reason but like a
1:21:30 separate reason i chose three that
1:21:31 wasn't exactly mentioned yet was that
1:21:34 i think that
1:21:35 um it would be easier for
1:21:38 or easier to market like
1:21:41 brand partnership with uber and lyft and
1:21:44 get the word out to like
1:21:46 people so that i would actually be
1:21:47 implemented better like within the
1:21:48 community
1:21:51 so i think that having that alternative
1:21:54 would
1:21:56 be used more effectively like in its
1:22:02 especially since like
1:22:06 like i feel like people like locally
1:22:08 don't necessarily have like as great a
1:22:10 perception of like
1:22:14 sound transit as compared to like uber
1:22:17 honestly so i feel like it would just be
1:22:20 a lot easier to like announce like oh
1:22:22 it's close like partnering with uber or
1:22:25 lyft compared to like
1:22:27 oh it's supposed to firing with like
1:22:28 sound transit because we're always
1:22:31 so transit honestly
1:22:34 interesting
1:22:38 yeah i chose three um purely for
1:22:42 uh if we're looking at and like i think
1:22:45 i would want to have more of a broader
1:22:46 discussion i guess to maybe cement my
1:22:48 choice about like
1:22:50 like the time aspect of like this would
1:22:53 be the quickest or almost the quickest
1:22:55 sorry i cannot actually see from this
1:22:59 option
1:23:00 and like we could use it as a stop gap
1:23:02 um fully on board with so like if we
1:23:04 just want something here and now that
1:23:07 isn't necessarily seem too costly then
1:23:10 uh and then wait for metro um
1:23:13 i'm not sure that's this is probably
1:23:15 something that like first we council
1:23:18 decided like would that open us to
1:23:19 lawsuits because you have contracts in
1:23:21 there and like would they know that
1:23:22 beforehand i don't really really know
1:23:24 that that this may not be a forever
1:23:26 thing but
1:23:28 that is a concern of mine but um i just
1:23:31 appreciated the amount of like
1:23:33 scalability and flexibility that
1:23:35 could go into it versus
1:23:37 yeah with
1:23:38 with going a metro route
1:23:40 it is a bit of our like hands off the
1:23:42 wheels
1:23:44 like um
1:23:45 where like it is you know kind of purely
1:23:47 in their hands i i know we get say and
1:23:50 like they have to you know run down and
1:23:51 stuff but
1:23:54 yeah this just feels like we would be a
1:23:55 bit more
1:23:57 we can do more things for tailoring more
1:23:59 to what the city wanted
1:24:04 uh my this is a bit of an assumption but
1:24:06 when gift cards work for like if you get
1:24:08 like an uber lift you know like load
1:24:10 money on your app and i don't know if
1:24:12 you can do that with you can load money
1:24:13 on orca pass that i haven't heard of
1:24:15 anyone giving or forgiveness
1:24:17 maybe that needs to be a thing
1:24:20 [Laughter]
1:24:22 but um
1:24:23 and so that's one aspect to come at it
1:24:25 with the blood
1:24:29 thanks
1:24:30 did you vote for number three do you
1:24:32 want to share i i don't have anything
1:24:34 more to ask okay um
1:24:36 i'm going to say that i voted for it
1:24:37 only because and i really appreciated my
1:24:40 gut the way you even talked about this
1:24:42 and i don't disagree with you the reason
1:24:45 i ask the question about the length of
1:24:47 contract is because
1:24:49 if we can't do anything until 2026
1:24:52 anyway
1:24:54 then some of my concerns about equity
1:24:56 and access
1:24:57 we can't deliver to those folks now
1:25:00 anyway
1:25:01 and so we could get a whole lot of um
1:25:04 kind of strategic you know get people in
1:25:06 the habit of you know like
1:25:08 actually so so somebody who can't get to
1:25:11 the first mile isn't going to get any
1:25:12 miles on public transportation right but
1:25:15 you know they may take the take the
1:25:18 the airport
1:25:20 you know the ride the public transit to
1:25:21 the airport if they can get that first
1:25:22 mile right and so there's a lot of
1:25:24 strategic benefit of
1:25:26 juicing the system and getting people to
1:25:28 do it um
1:25:30 and then as long as the length of the
1:25:32 contract
1:25:33 and then just think if we if we got
1:25:35 enough data and we really understood it
1:25:37 then we could really use that presumably
1:25:41 to define the need
1:25:43 and so the only the question is and if
1:25:47 if the information
1:25:49 so i think of it like when i said this
1:25:51 one i was thinking pilot with the
1:25:53 intention of a much more equitable
1:25:55 long-term rollout
1:26:02 that's all i wanted i think everybody
1:26:03 got a chance to say why they thought
1:26:05 what they thought um i'm not even gonna
1:26:07 try to take time to go into the next
1:26:09 options but i do want to spend a few
1:26:11 minutes and now i'm
1:26:13 you know we seem like we had all the
1:26:14 time in the world we started this just
1:26:15 after six um i'll go ahead yes you're
1:26:17 right i don't think three is a good
1:26:19 option oh please yes sure yes thank you
1:26:22 very helpful so
1:26:25 you keep talking about marketing uh uber
1:26:27 and lyft and
1:26:29 that actually really highlights a point
1:26:32 that we haven't discussed too much i
1:26:33 think we kind of indirectly hit on which
1:26:36 the audience the users can be completely
1:26:38 different and the people that are going
1:26:40 to get the uber marketing
1:26:42 are not the same people that are going
1:26:44 to get the metro marketing like there's
1:26:46 probably no overlap
1:26:48 and so that kind of brings up this like
1:26:51 would this end up basically being the
1:26:53 city is subsidizing rides
1:26:56 for the people who at least need rides
1:26:58 subsidized
1:27:01 can we use that money because
1:27:04 set amount of total money can we use
1:27:06 that money for something else
1:27:08 so i think that's something that's a
1:27:10 really good
1:27:11 question that we need to go and answer
1:27:15 i also uh
1:27:18 a little concerned about the precedence
1:27:19 for it
1:27:20 but the president would create
1:27:23 that it could be this sort of service
1:27:24 you know once it gets there every
1:27:26 neighborhood's like why don't i get it
1:27:27 and you're just gonna have this running
1:27:29 through and then it starts to expand and
1:27:31 all of a sudden we're paying for for
1:27:32 trips to
1:27:34 bellevue or or wherever and they should
1:27:36 be paying trips to come here well it
1:27:38 only goes in
1:27:39 i can't wait
1:27:40 um and then so then
1:27:43 at some point the way i wouldn't have as
1:27:46 many of those reservations is if it's
1:27:48 very limited in what that pilot is
1:27:51 right so
1:27:53 looking at these is comparable options
1:27:55 what are we trying to solve if the metro
1:27:57 service is a solution
1:28:00 what about
1:28:02 the the restrictions that can be put in
1:28:04 place with the uber lift partnership
1:28:06 could replicate that solution
1:28:08 specifically as opposed to just having
1:28:10 it open
1:28:12 at least that way we can say
1:28:14 we are not creating some precedence this
1:28:16 is truly a stop gap measure yes it will
1:28:19 provide the city good data but it's
1:28:21 truly a stopgap measure for a planned
1:28:23 solution that is metro
1:28:27 that's my hesitation
1:28:31 but can't we
1:28:33 you know do we have to subsidize
1:28:36 everyone so people have higher incomes
1:28:40 and still want to use it
1:28:42 um maybe they just
1:28:45 paid for it you know directly is there a
1:28:48 way to limit
1:28:50 substance then you have to have you're
1:28:52 giving your
1:28:53 income information to
1:28:56 uber and i i think that might be that
1:28:59 moderate city administration very i
1:29:02 think we already have that because
1:29:03 anyone up there can call over and get a
1:29:05 ride down to the transit center any time
1:29:06 they want
1:29:08 right
1:29:10 so that's no different than what we have
1:29:12 today
1:29:13 the subs that
1:29:16 right
1:29:18 what yeah well
1:29:20 who would do it you could call an uber
1:29:23 and get a ride
1:29:27 yeah why would you
1:29:29 do that if you had
1:29:31 the dollars to pay to get to the transit
1:29:33 center you probably have the dollars to
1:29:35 pay to get to seattle or building too
1:29:38 so if you needed an uber to get to
1:29:40 bellevue you're not going to stop at the
1:29:42 transfer right so you need even if
1:29:44 you're even if you're one of the years
1:29:45 the fact that it's two bucks to get to
1:29:46 the transit center is an incentive
1:29:51 so maybe even if you don't but that's
1:29:53 the number to get to the trans center
1:29:55 that's very different than an uber to
1:29:57 get from
1:29:59 anywhere in issaquah or to
1:30:01 dallas or tell us anywhere in history
1:30:03 that's that's my point about are we is
1:30:06 this a very different service we're
1:30:08 talking about providing are we talking
1:30:09 about providing a service
1:30:11 in lieu of
1:30:13 that channel
1:30:15 question are you
1:30:17 looking back with uber are we talking
1:30:19 about point point destination or point
1:30:21 to a point that would be on a route or a
1:30:23 point to
1:30:25 a transit stop or kind of center that
1:30:28 that they would do i don't think we know
1:30:31 i think this is too
1:30:33 think
1:30:36 yeah if somebody wants to go to target
1:30:41 and maybe i'll clarify that i know we've
1:30:43 talked specifically about the trans
1:30:44 center that's come up over and over that
1:30:46 is the priority of administration
1:30:49 to get people to transit but we're not
1:30:51 limited to that at this point um we
1:30:54 could the virtual bus stop idea for
1:30:56 example with uber you know you could put
1:30:59 one up at the safeway or you could put
1:31:02 you know you could put them in different
1:31:03 places
1:31:05 and then yeah that's what i think it's
1:31:06 coming back to mike's question is
1:31:08 because i was thinking
1:31:10 kind of going full circle away but if we
1:31:11 had a metro bus that did trump ground
1:31:13 the other ones fed into that not
1:31:14 necessarily doing like paratransit very
1:31:17 goes point-to-point to take people with
1:31:18 very specific locations to be
1:31:21 you know if we do the uber does the uber
1:31:23 anyway have to stay on a certain
1:31:25 route brain in a way as opposed to just
1:31:28 playing point-to-point so people be
1:31:29 going
1:31:30 all over doing this as opposed to going
1:31:32 and then
1:31:33 the point locations similar on the bus
1:31:36 ground that would somewhat simulate like
1:31:37 a bus route as opposed to
1:31:40 i don't think i think uber and lyft are
1:31:42 all point to point i don't think
1:31:44 they yeah so that's their point of point
1:31:47 but i'm wondering if we did the uber
1:31:48 option
1:31:51 with uber have to follow some sort of
1:31:55 preset path
1:32:08 there's lots of different ways uber gets
1:32:09 subsidized there are a lot of
1:32:11 restrictions on like you can only start
1:32:13 in this space you can only end in this
1:32:14 space or rides under a certain distance
1:32:16 but i've not seen anything that turns
1:32:18 uber into a shell
1:32:21 like a true
1:32:22 you can only start from here and end
1:32:23 here or on these these certain stops
1:32:26 but i think you can do a pretty narrow
1:32:28 geographic restriction
1:32:32 the other disadvantage to using uber
1:32:35 uber or lyft is the fact that we're
1:32:38 dependent upon the uberlift drivers
1:32:42 being available at a certain amount
1:32:46 you know when people beat them
1:32:48 like first thing in the morning so who's
1:32:50 going to want to as an uber
1:32:53 driver
1:32:54 you're not going to make as many dollars
1:32:57 just driving around the city of
1:32:58 mississippi
1:33:00 unless there's enough demand that would
1:33:02 be where i guess the
1:33:04 issue with the city with uber drivers is
1:33:05 to make sure their whole
1:33:08 they're not doing like the seattle the
1:33:09 port or the yeah yeah the airport or
1:33:15 they'll make more which i assume
1:33:18 would be the point of that soft launch
1:33:20 period is to try to
1:33:22 get more drivers into the area they do
1:33:25 exist clearly since there's 6 000 uber
1:33:31 lyft so they are around but again
1:33:34 there's also that 10 to 20 minute
1:33:35 waiting period so it's they're around
1:33:37 but they're not here so maybe that that
1:33:41 pilot version of the pilot period but
1:33:42 the um
1:33:43 soft launch period might provide a
1:33:45 little bit more incentive
1:33:47 i think the fascinating
1:33:51 check real quick so um
1:33:53 it's it's 7 40 um i'm pretty committed
1:33:57 to finishing as close to on time as
1:33:59 possible but here's what i think is
1:34:00 happening i think we're getting into the
1:34:01 real essence like some really
1:34:03 interesting stuff and then one thing we
1:34:05 haven't done which i think would
1:34:06 actually um add to the discussion
1:34:09 is talk about um
1:34:11 the pride the criteria and how important
1:34:14 first of all i think if we're if there's
1:34:16 any missing i think we should talk about
1:34:18 that but i also think the criteria need
1:34:20 to be weighted
1:34:21 and i don't think they're all created
1:34:22 equal and i i i'm starting to i'm very
1:34:26 excited about the fact that i'm starting
1:34:28 to change my mind about how i started
1:34:30 because i'm listening to all of you
1:34:32 and um i'm starting to formulate kind of
1:34:34 a higher level of sophistication in
1:34:36 terms of like what i think that we
1:34:38 should be
1:34:39 the feedback we should be you know
1:34:41 giving but i feel like we're not quite
1:34:43 there um and i have so i want everyone
1:34:46 to hold their thought for a second and i
1:34:47 want to ask
1:34:49 um because i i'm just not sure we want
1:34:52 i don't want to we keep brushing these
1:34:54 things and we don't really get to the
1:34:55 point to finish the job
1:34:57 and this is the first time we even heard
1:34:59 about
1:35:00 this first time we've had really a
1:35:01 discussion they heard about so what i
1:35:03 want to do is to take a moment to ask
1:35:06 staff
1:35:08 two things one is have we decided we
1:35:10 aren't having an august meeting or is
1:35:12 that just a thought it is a thought um
1:35:16 is that a yeah it's
1:35:18 and then is the your timing on this
1:35:20 obviously makes it harder to deploy in
1:35:22 2022 if we end up on that one if we
1:35:24 kicked it out on that but i really think
1:35:26 that having a discussion about the
1:35:28 criteria would be extremely helpful to
1:35:30 the decision makers and i'll turn and
1:35:31 look here do you feel like having a
1:35:33 discussion about the criteria and the
1:35:35 importance and our ranking of a would be
1:35:37 okay and i think it might
1:35:41 help us hone like an actual
1:35:43 recommendation so i feel like we're
1:35:45 getting close and i just we're not going
1:35:46 to do it in 10 minutes and we had a
1:35:48 couple of things we want to talk about
1:35:50 um and so if it's
1:35:52 okay with the timing on when you need
1:35:54 this recommendation and if we're still
1:35:56 if an august meeting is still on the
1:35:57 table
1:35:58 i would propose
1:36:00 that we
1:36:02 have some final thoughts i had a couple
1:36:03 things i wanted to
1:36:05 go through with the work plan and the
1:36:06 chair report and so forth and finish on
1:36:08 time i'm wondering if that's acceptable
1:36:11 to this group commentary we can at least
1:36:14 provide a recommendation
1:36:15 that we are
1:36:17 all or most of us are in favor of
1:36:21 pursuing the metro option one way or the
1:36:23 other yes and if there's ways to
1:36:25 accelerate it
1:36:27 so i think we should say
1:36:31 i would i as the chair would entertain a
1:36:33 motion to take that stance and provide
1:36:36 that as a formal recommendation
1:36:39 let's make a notion that
1:36:41 we have the stance the opinion that
1:36:44 we're sharing with you that we would
1:36:46 like to pursue the metro option and if
1:36:48 there are opportunities to accelerate
1:36:50 the timeline on that we are interested
1:36:52 in that as well second
1:36:55 all in favor
1:36:57 all right
1:36:58 anybody opposed to dave
1:37:03 oh you know what we yeah we didn't uh
1:37:05 i didn't ask for discussion or anything
1:37:07 dave what did you want to share
1:37:11 i'm all in favor of the motion
1:37:14 um and hopefully we'll be able to talk
1:37:17 more about this
1:37:20 when i can
1:37:21 not have to
1:37:23 i feel really penalized out here
1:37:26 it's not my fault and i just don't feel
1:37:29 like i can be the proper help
1:37:32 because i've got some really
1:37:36 anyway
1:37:38 i agree with the motion
1:37:42 okay thanks so i don't think i called
1:37:44 for discussion but it didn't sound like
1:37:45 we okay so uh nobody's opposed the
1:37:49 emotion carries and i too
1:37:52 will be anxious to get um dave in the
1:37:54 room to talk to us because as he pointed
1:37:56 out no nelson's driven these routes and
1:37:58 he knows better than anyone
1:38:00 so would it be fair to say that a
1:38:03 discussion that criteria will help us
1:38:06 figure out
1:38:07 what we recommend is a pilot stop gap
1:38:11 shorter term
1:38:13 alternative um because i think we're
1:38:15 just i think we just
1:38:18 got to the good stuff
1:38:19 and then and the time is running out
1:38:23 please before before you make that
1:38:24 decision um i want to mention that i
1:38:27 will be on vacation oh crap next time
1:38:32 so that's also something to consider
1:38:36 [Laughter]
1:38:53 is there a possibility of finding a date
1:38:55 that would work for us within the realm
1:38:57 that we would need to like declare a
1:38:58 special meeting
1:39:00 oh that just takes a few weeks we could
1:39:02 do that the only thing is uh try to
1:39:04 gather the availability from everyone uh
1:39:07 so we can
1:39:08 get uh
1:39:10 let me ask a question a different way in
1:39:12 in the unlikely event that we can't find
1:39:13 a date to have a special meeting um or
1:39:15 to move the august meeting because of
1:39:17 the high number of absences on both
1:39:18 staff and board um
1:39:22 is september
1:39:24 acceptable is that because that's a risk
1:39:26 we run
1:39:27 and the other option is to keep up this
1:39:30 i think i've also asked it to johnson
1:39:32 isabel i know that the city is starting
1:39:34 its budget season
1:39:36 and you're going to be getting sleep
1:39:40 yeah and a delayed recommendation what
1:39:43 does that do in terms of discussion
1:39:45 around the council
1:39:50 john are you around
1:39:56 yeah and i think in terms of the budget
1:39:58 as long as we get to the mobility and
1:40:00 infrastructure committee as scheduled
1:40:03 that's really the big key
1:40:05 in order to keep it up with the process
1:40:08 do you know off the top of your head
1:40:10 when that's scheduled before
1:40:14 i think it's like talking but don't
1:40:16 again
1:40:23 it's very clear you've done a lot of
1:40:26 and research and conversations
1:40:30 i'm sure that we have a chance to
1:40:32 support you in that
1:40:38 so i think i'm hearing
1:40:41 um and i'll just
1:40:43 go back for just a moment and see if um
1:40:45 anyone has any last kind of minute
1:40:47 thoughts but i do want to be mindful of
1:40:49 the time what i'm hearing is we hope to
1:40:50 have a special meeting in august that
1:40:52 has high attendance with especially um
1:40:59 and um
1:41:02 and we probably won't have a meeting on
1:41:04 our regular august date because there's
1:41:06 folks lots of folks that can't make it
1:41:08 and then
1:41:09 if it came down to it we could still be
1:41:12 of use
1:41:13 this discussion in september is that
1:41:16 what i'm hearing
1:41:17 that does push it out i mean that's two
1:41:19 months from now pushes out that quite a
1:41:21 bit but it's not seasonal it's not like
1:41:23 we have to wait a whole other year
1:41:25 it could start yeah um
1:41:27 is that what i'm hearing does that
1:41:32 right now it's scheduled for
1:41:36 august
1:41:40 what is mobility infrastructure sorry on
1:41:42 this topic
1:41:43 and i was thinking of october is the
1:41:45 other project that i'm working on safety
1:41:47 improvement
1:41:49 program um when in august yeah
1:41:52 the night
1:41:54 we wouldn't even meet we wouldn't ever
1:42:00 so i guess the question is doing
1:42:04 what you say
1:42:06 before the ninth i'm gone uh the 16th
1:42:09 through september 2nd
1:42:21 [Music]
1:42:23 about not being rushed and i am loving
1:42:25 this conversation it's a great
1:42:27 conversation
1:42:30 i have two fellow council members who
1:42:32 are on the mobility and infrastructure
1:42:34 committee so
1:42:36 i know i can't really speak for them but
1:42:38 i i really feel strongly that i would
1:42:41 want you to continue this conversation
1:42:43 and that we would move this item to
1:42:46 september
1:42:48 we could and if you could have a special
1:42:50 meeting in august
1:42:52 then i think we could push it out
1:42:55 if we can't find the time for a quorum
1:42:58 or a special meeting in august is it
1:42:59 worth the risk of not meeting until
1:43:01 september i think it is okay because i i
1:43:04 really think this is an excellent
1:43:05 discussion
1:43:09 okay well we have our answers okay
1:43:12 i'll i'll manage my fellow kids
1:43:16 i'll let them know that i need an
1:43:18 executive
1:43:21 we should try to have a special
1:43:24 um i just wanted to make sure that just
1:43:26 in case yeah you know we we understood
1:43:28 that risk it would be an earlier
1:43:31 early august right and it would be a
1:43:33 thursday
1:43:35 i don't know i'm so
1:43:44 did you have any closing comments
1:43:47 no i i this conversation was excellent
1:43:50 especially for the first time back in
1:43:52 person i really appreciate all your
1:43:54 thoughts and feedback and
1:43:56 questions and
1:43:58 i will i'll definitely go back and
1:44:00 look through those questions that i
1:44:02 didn't know the answer to and i will
1:44:03 hopefully have the answers or at least
1:44:06 some sort of response to those
1:44:08 i do think you could probably at least
1:44:10 get number of households in the study
1:44:12 areas with us yes is that possible i do
1:44:15 have some population numbers somewhere
1:44:16 in my computer it's also perhaps
1:44:21 [Music]
1:44:23 demographics are hard neighborhood level
1:44:25 because of the way the the census and
1:44:28 neighborhood american
1:44:30 the system
1:44:31 yeah americans it's really hard to get
1:44:33 those demographics but i can
1:44:35 break out you could do but you know what
1:44:37 you could do you would get household do
1:44:38 you get a value of housing yes yeah
1:44:41 assessed value of the households
1:44:44 that would tell you a lot and that's
1:44:46 about that marketing
1:44:57 okay very good um with that i will thank
1:45:00 um you for all of your hard work all of
1:45:02 your in-depth presentation thank you all
1:45:04 for uh indulging me as we kind of
1:45:07 try to walk through this and try to
1:45:09 learn how to get this kind of discussion
1:45:11 going
1:45:12 um with that i'll go ahead and move to
1:45:15 reports and the first one is 5a the
1:45:18 board work plan
1:45:21 which we just blew up
1:45:22 [Laughter]
1:45:25 and to that i would only add that yes
1:45:28 the next meeting we will find out uh
1:45:30 date and time the words for
1:45:33 phones if not everyone uh so we can
1:45:35 unlock that special meeting and continue
1:45:37 this conversation
1:45:41 next um and i don't know if you wanted
1:45:44 to go into that opportunity that we have
1:45:48 with um having the
1:45:51 mobility infrastructure
1:45:53 committee joint meeting with the tab
1:45:55 after
1:45:59 meeting i was a special meeting i was
1:46:01 the possibility of
1:46:03 meeting with uh
1:46:05 jointly with the
1:46:07 committee in september which will be a
1:46:10 great opportunity to
1:46:12 mine what um
1:46:15 can help support council with our
1:46:18 discussions and decisions going forward
1:46:21 i think that would be a
1:46:23 great timing after wrapping up the
1:46:26 comments and the other
1:46:28 thing is that
1:46:29 we are evaluating moving forward
1:46:32 kind of doing this type of meetings that
1:46:36 did today um
1:46:38 more robust discussions on one topic uh
1:46:42 especially topics that would involve
1:46:44 policy decisions instead of trying to
1:46:47 wrap up
1:46:48 a full agenda with other topics which
1:46:51 are great too but focusing on those
1:46:54 topics that would be
1:46:56 more policy related um in
1:46:59 trying to get
1:47:00 uh the board's
1:47:02 feedback on how
1:47:04 this type of meeting uh how would you
1:47:06 feel about this type of me moving
1:47:08 forward
1:47:11 i just wanted to kind of echo
1:47:13 that and just say that um
1:47:15 i think it's important to make sure that
1:47:16 julian and i have talked about this when
1:47:21 accepted the nomination to be the chair
1:47:22 again i think i mentioned something
1:47:23 about this but i wanted to make sure
1:47:25 that we julian and i both like it's not
1:47:27 just our opinion but i had really begun
1:47:30 to think in the last you know
1:47:32 really gradually but
1:47:34 even more so in the last several months
1:47:36 that we were kind of a mile wide and age
1:47:38 deep we were talking we were touching a
1:47:40 lot of subjects but we weren't really
1:47:42 there wasn't really a role for us to dig
1:47:43 in and come up with the recommendation
1:47:46 and so i wanted to make sure that it
1:47:48 wasn't just it wasn't just our opinion
1:47:50 um i think as an advisory board our job
1:47:53 is to give advice on that which we've
1:47:55 been had asked to give advice on um so
1:47:58 it's not really our decision at the end
1:47:59 but that work plan should be set by the
1:48:02 those seeking the advice but we
1:48:04 certainly can have input and say that we
1:48:06 think we're more effective
1:48:08 if we get to do fewer things and go a
1:48:10 little bit deeper and i just wanted to
1:48:11 see if the whole board felt that way or
1:48:13 was just
1:48:14 to make sure i was representing all of
1:48:16 us do you and this is a good example of
1:48:18 what that might look like um the the
1:48:20 downside is so there are lots of things
1:48:22 that will come through
1:48:23 that are like we've had a couple like
1:48:25 these are these are really
1:48:26 administrative updates that don't have a
1:48:28 lot of you know opportunity to really
1:48:30 change policy like we had a discussion
1:48:32 about concurrency briefly and we said
1:48:35 i think the response from staff was this
1:48:36 isn't really the time to revisit all
1:48:38 these
1:48:38 essential policy and values in
1:48:41 concurrency we're just updating it and
1:48:43 so we had kind of have to let go of some
1:48:46 of that because we can't do it all right
1:48:47 um and so i just wanted to make sure i'm
1:48:50 seeing a lot of nods so i'm going to
1:48:51 interpret that to mean that you guys
1:48:52 agree with this
1:48:54 back towards
1:48:56 kind of
1:48:59 yeah i absolutely agree and i think um
1:49:02 meeting in person
1:49:04 and dialing down on a focused area is a
1:49:06 lot more effective
1:49:08 than the environment we were trying to
1:49:10 kind of run the meetings in so this was
1:49:13 a perfect first meeting for us to gather
1:49:16 and really address this topic so i know
1:49:18 i really appreciated everybody's opinion
1:49:21 and our conversation and the level of
1:49:23 conversation we had tonight
1:49:25 versus you know in the past we've had as
1:49:27 you mentioned being wildlife in steep i
1:49:29 felt you know
1:49:30 not really providing much value
1:49:33 as as a board member it's um i think
1:49:36 that's a great suggestion and
1:49:39 that's my two cents
1:49:43 did you anything else on that item
1:49:46 on the agenda no um
1:49:51 sorry yes the word
1:49:53 yeah yes that was
1:49:55 that was it we will we will be
1:49:59 next three things would be our
1:50:02 meeting to
1:50:03 bring back the topic about the shuttle
1:50:08 mobility and infrastructure structure
1:50:10 joint meeting
1:50:11 and after that getting a
1:50:14 meeting after that getting
1:50:18 updates from
1:50:20 transit and
1:50:28 all right do you have a step report
1:50:30 go for the staff report without what i
1:50:33 will do is kind of go
1:50:35 me and then we'll i will ask the jones
1:50:38 to uh if they have
1:50:40 something else to add but um we have uh
1:50:44 just recently advertised the
1:50:46 project for the newport pedestrian
1:50:49 um pedestrian
1:50:51 bridge over anti-aircraft
1:50:53 creek and race intersection
1:50:56 that would help
1:50:59 improve the pedestrian
1:51:02 kind of
1:51:03 gap that exists right
1:51:06 on the anti-aircraft creek um and
1:51:10 also because king county's project that
1:51:12 they are doing for the trail the
1:51:14 improvements
1:51:17 the trailhead
1:51:18 that would um that
1:51:20 that project we just advertise it for
1:51:22 construction we are very excited to open
1:51:25 this next week for that project also the
1:51:28 its survey uh just a reminder we sent an
1:51:31 email
1:51:32 about a week ago where it is still open
1:51:35 but closes within a week so you still
1:51:38 have some time to pick up that you're
1:51:40 looking to provide your input
1:51:46 a bts surveys
1:51:48 i can send that email
1:51:50 out again um so just a reminder
1:51:54 we still have
1:51:55 one more week okay great we could send
1:51:57 it again i either missed it or yeah yeah
1:52:00 i'll say the transit survey or a
1:52:02 transportation survey
1:52:06 technology about technology intelligent
1:52:08 transportation
1:52:11 and yes um now i will head
1:52:13 headed over to the
1:52:15 other jungles yeah the two jones
1:52:20 a couple other items to add while we're
1:52:22 talking about surveys
1:52:24 and we can also email this out we're
1:52:26 doing a survey for the
1:52:28 city's ada self-evaluation and
1:52:31 transition plan
1:52:32 hope that you guys will be able to take
1:52:34 that individually
1:52:36 the newport way maple the sunset project
1:52:39 that you guys helped us out with
1:52:41 wanted to give an update that we did a
1:52:44 public involvement process
1:52:46 where we had a public meeting as well as
1:52:48 a survey and the results of that will be
1:52:51 going to the mobility and infrastructure
1:52:53 committee and those are the things i
1:52:55 have in addition to what isabel had
1:53:04 these scooters yeah what's that
1:53:07 rvp scooters oh yes i guess i could have
1:53:12 so the scooters unfortunately did not
1:53:16 city council last month it was four to
1:53:18 three which is
1:53:20 higher than expected so
1:53:24 so it was it was an interesting
1:53:25 experience and um
1:53:28 i think it i think hopefully it uh will
1:53:32 set up a possible you know in the future
1:53:35 i think it really got
1:53:36 the discussion going especially on the
1:53:37 council level
1:53:39 about
1:53:40 what a possible
1:53:42 comparable system might look like in the
1:53:44 future
1:53:46 but yeah i think it was a valuable
1:53:48 exercise at the very least
1:53:51 but yeah formally it is it did not pass
1:53:54 so was there a real outstanding reason
1:53:57 why it didn't pass because
1:54:00 um uh there were a few
1:54:02 a few things um infrastructure was one
1:54:05 of them
1:54:08 uh safety was another one yes and uh
1:54:13 the other one oh i'm just uh
1:54:17 community awareness and desire like that
1:54:19 kind of
1:54:20 you know kind of more squishy area of
1:54:22 things but yeah that was kind of the
1:54:24 outcome there
1:54:26 so what did you mean by infrastructure
1:54:29 uh the existence or non-existence of uh
1:54:34 safe places to ride the the scooters
1:54:42 okay uh moving along uh chairport that
1:54:44 would be me do we have one or two
1:54:47 resignations do we have both
1:54:49 resignations too okay so i did want to
1:54:51 acknowledge um joseph has um is moving
1:54:54 on to the next chapter of his life we're
1:54:56 all very excited for you um and so he
1:54:59 has formally resigned from the board and
1:55:02 as well as erica who i'm sorry
1:55:10 i'm sorry i i met everybody online and
1:55:13 for some reason jamie and erica always
1:55:15 always get those reverse sorry um jamie
1:55:18 walter is also has also resigned due to
1:55:20 just capacity issues and um i do want to
1:55:25 make sure that
1:55:27 everybody in this room is thinking about
1:55:29 recruitment so um
1:55:31 for 2023 um i hope that we have two or
1:55:34 three applications for every single open
1:55:35 position on the transportation advisory
1:55:37 work because it's going to be such a
1:55:39 great thing to serve on um it's not too
1:55:41 early to be thinking about recruiting
1:55:43 people um and i'm hoping that the kind
1:55:45 of work that we're doing that we do
1:55:47 tonight makes it a more interesting um
1:55:50 thing to volunteer your time with anyway
1:55:56 let's see so that's the main thing i
1:55:58 wanted to say we already covered the
1:55:59 work plan
1:56:00 um and that's it for the chair report
1:56:02 did you have these before no
1:56:05 well we thank you for your service and
1:56:06 we wish you the best of luck um
1:56:10 it's gonna be yeah we all know we all
1:56:12 been there so
1:56:13 thank you so much for having me it's
1:56:15 been like a really like
1:56:17 awesome experience
1:56:18 yeah i've learned a lot
1:56:20 thank you
1:56:23 nice to have you with us yeah
1:56:25 and good luck can you enjoy your
1:56:28 adventures thanks so much
1:56:33 do we have any other business or
1:56:34 announcements yes
1:56:37 um very important uh the city wants to
1:56:40 import it to invite board members to
1:56:44 tuesday concerts
1:56:48 turn to read these concerts on the green
1:56:51 where we would like to in appreciation
1:56:54 of your
1:56:55 work your service with the tab we will
1:56:58 you will be receiving a give back a gift
1:57:00 back from 5 30 to 7 00 pm next tuesday
1:57:05 so please
1:57:06 stop by and get your
1:57:09 gift back
1:57:11 that's a concert on the green at the
1:57:13 community center yes
1:57:20 thanks
1:57:21 that's exciting yes
1:57:32 uh excellent okay well with that i
1:57:35 think that we're adjourned thank you all
1:57:38 thank you have a great night all right
1:57:42 so let's see everybody actually live in
1:57:44 person yeah