Planning Policy Commission · Thursday, May 27, 2021 · City Council Digest

1. CALL TO ORDER

Commission Membership

packet pp.3

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Staff report:

PLANNING POLICY COMMISSION Staff Liaison Christen Leeson, Senior About Planner Created in 1983, this commission serves as a Email policy advisory body to the Mayor and provides guidance and direction for Issaquah's future Regular Members growth through continued review and 2022 – Joy Lewis improvement to the City's Comprehensive Land 2022 – Matt Monahan Use Plan and related land use documents. 2022 – Jason Voiss 2022 – Vacant Membership 2023 – Nina Milligan The Planning Policy Commission is comprised of 2024 – Ron Faul seven regular members, with four-year terms; 2024 – Sara Bader and several alternates, with two-year terms. All members are appointed by the Mayor and Alternate Members subject to confirmation by the City Council. 2022 - Richard Zaragoza Terms expire April 30 of the year listed. For 2023 - Vacant more information, see IMC 18.03 and Rules & Regulations. Meetings Unless…

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of May 13, 2021

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Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 05-13-21 Planning Policy Commission Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Planning Policy Commission 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting May 13, 2021 MINUTES

3. REGULAR BUSINESS

IMC Title 18 Land Use Code: Draft of Schedule, Outreach Plan, and Scope, (I)

55 min · Minnie Dahliwal, CP&D Director · packet pp.9–24

Topics: Land Use

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Staff report:

Kick-off meeting to launch Title 18 land use code update process with the Planning Policy Commission. Staff will provide background and framework to consider for updating the land use regulations and the scope of the proposed changes. Staff is seeking input on the schedule, and the public outreach plan.

4. REPORTS

Council Updates

5 min · Christen Leeson, Senior Planner

6. OTHER BUSINESS / ANNOUNCEMENTS

Upcoming Schedule

packet pp.25

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Staff report:

FEBRUARY AUGUST 2/11/21 Cancelled 8/12/21  2021 Comprhensive Plan Amendments: Land Use Element: Climate Change policies 2/25/21 Cancelled 8/26/21  2021 Comprhensive Plan Amendments: Milano Rezone Request MARCH SEPTEMBER 3/11/21  Public Hearing: Electric Vehicle Charging 9/9/21 TBD Stations  CPPs and Growth Targets Presentation (Informational) 3/25/21  PPC/EVC Joint Meeting: Title 18: Signs 9/23/21  Public Hearing: 2021 Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Map Amendments APRIL OCTOBER 4/8/21 Cancelled 10/14/21  Public Hearing: 2021 Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Map Amendments (continued) 4/22/21  Public Hearing: Signs Amendments 10/28/21 TBD  CIP/TIP

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0:00 ↗ all right so uh let's call to order

0:03 ↗ uh the ppc meeting for

0:07 ↗ may 27th 2021

0:11 ↗ and

0:15 ↗ so i have some boilerplate here to read

0:17 ↗ off and it says

0:18 ↗ um welcome due to the for virtual format

0:22 ↗ of today's meeting i'd like to start off

0:24 ↗ by providing some guidelines

0:26 ↗ we have participants attending by

0:28 ↗ computer and others who may be attending

0:30 ↗ by phone

0:31 ↗ or all meeting attendees please speak

0:34 ↗ clearly and pause frequently

0:36 ↗ state your name each time before

0:38 ↗ speaking

0:39 ↗ mute your microphone when not speaking

0:42 ↗ if you have

0:43 ↗ technical difficulties try joining the

0:45 ↗ meeting using a different device such as

0:47 ↗ a smartphone or tablet

0:49 ↗ or use the call-in information in the

0:52 ↗ meeting

0:52 ↗ invite to call into the meeting

0:57 ↗ overview for tonight is uh tonight's

0:59 ↗ meeting we'll be discussing the

1:01 ↗ isoqua municipal code title 18 land use

1:04 ↗ code updates

1:06 ↗ including the drafts schedule outreach

1:08 ↗ plan

1:09 ↗ and scope this topic is for discussion

1:12 ↗ and not informational as noted in the

1:15 ↗ agenda

1:17 ↗ and now for attendance kristin will you

1:19 ↗ please call the roll

1:21 ↗ commissioners please unmute when and say

1:24 ↗ here when your name is called

1:26 ↗ mr bader

1:29 ↗ mr lewis

1:33 ↗ commissioner milligan here

1:36 ↗ mr monahan here commissioner voice

1:41 ↗ here commissioner zaragoza

1:45 ↗ yeah commission chair fall

1:49 ↗ here right uh

1:52 ↗ lewis is um not present

1:56 ↗ she's here see there's some this i

1:58 ↗ didn't hear you say here and i didn't

2:00 ↗ see you i thought

2:01 ↗ i'm sorry change of role mr lewis is

2:04 ↗ here all are present

2:06 ↗ we can't write her off yet

2:10 ↗ okay uh now for the approval of the

2:12 ↗ minutes are there any corrections to the

2:14 ↗ may 13

2:15 ↗ 2021 minutes provided in the agenda

2:18 ↗ packet

2:21 ↗ okay hearing none the minutes are

2:22 ↗ approved

2:25 ↗ uh now on for regular business let's see

2:28 ↗ so

2:28 ↗ imc title 18 land use code draft

2:31 ↗ schedule

2:31 ↗ outreach plan and scope will be

2:35 ↗ presented by mini daliwa our community

2:38 ↗ planning and development director

2:39 ↗ and planning consultant katie cote

2:43 ↗ are here to present the schedule

2:44 ↗ outreach plan and scope for title 18

2:47 ↗ land use code update questions if you

2:50 ↗ have any questions or comments please

2:52 ↗ indicate so in the chat by typing

2:54 ↗ question or

2:54 ↗ comments all right

2:58 ↗ and any would you like to go ahead and

3:00 ↗ take it away

3:02 ↗ sure thank you um chair fall um and good

3:05 ↗ evening council

3:06 ↗ uh commissioners and members of the

3:08 ↗ community i'm gonna go ahead and share

3:10 ↗ my screen

3:11 ↗ for just a second

3:14 ↗ and hopefully this thing works um

3:23 ↗ are you able to see my screen yes

3:27 ↗ okay great so um tonight we're here

3:31 ↗ to share some of the history but also

3:34 ↗ what's coming in front of the commission

3:37 ↗ the community

3:38 ↗ and ultimately the city council for the

3:40 ↗ final decision on

3:42 ↗ the big project title 18 code update um

3:46 ↗ so we thought we would take the

3:48 ↗ opportunity to just uh give you a little

3:50 ↗ bit of

3:50 ↗ uh you know what exactly is title 18

3:53 ↗ what does it do

3:55 ↗ what's the framework for looking at some

3:57 ↗ of this so we wanted to use this

3:58 ↗ opportunity to just kind of cover some

4:00 ↗ of the very basic

4:01 ↗ information about what is land use code

4:05 ↗ as you probably all know it's a range of

4:07 ↗ development regulations

4:09 ↗ but at the end of it at the crux of it

4:11 ↗ is it regulates how the land is divided

4:14 ↗ how it's used how it's developed it

4:18 ↗ is done through a variety of different

4:20 ↗ chapters

4:21 ↗ um and things like zoning every single

4:24 ↗ piece of the property has a zoning

4:26 ↗ associated with it

4:27 ↗ then it establishes which needs to be

4:30 ↗ consistent with the comprehensive

4:32 ↗ land use plan um but at the end of it

4:35 ↗ it establishes uh what the

4:38 ↗ development standards are for that

4:41 ↗ there's a subdivision chapter there's

4:43 ↗ some critical areas code

4:45 ↗ which talks about wetlands water courses

4:48 ↗ and such

4:49 ↗ there's the landscaping um pieces

4:52 ↗ there's the design guidelines that

4:53 ↗ regulate the aesthetics and

4:55 ↗ and the form of built environment such

4:58 ↗ as height

4:59 ↗ parking it also includes procedural

5:02 ↗ requirements

5:03 ↗ um in terms of how do we engage with the

5:05 ↗ public how do we notify them what

5:08 ↗ is involved with decision making who

5:10 ↗ makes the final decision of some of

5:12 ↗ these land use decisions

5:14 ↗ so that's sort of the crux of what a

5:16 ↗ land use code entails

5:18 ↗ um the city's title 18 code which is the

5:22 ↗ land use code

5:23 ↗ was initially adopted in 1996

5:26 ↗ it's been modified annually

5:29 ↗ and one of the things that the city

5:31 ↗ council in the community desires to fix

5:33 ↗ is because it's become a patchwork of

5:35 ↗ ordinances that it needs to be easy to

5:38 ↗ use

5:39 ↗ and and still comply with the vision

5:42 ↗ that the

5:42 ↗ the community has adopted um so a little

5:46 ↗ bit of history that i think the city has

5:47 ↗ worked on

5:48 ↗ updating some of this code on an annual

5:50 ↗ basis but at some point

5:52 ↗ it was decided to take a comprehensive

5:55 ↗ look at it

5:56 ↗ and really look at the big picture and

5:58 ↗ and do a more

5:59 ↗ comprehensive sort of redo of the land

6:03 ↗ use code

6:04 ↗ and so that work started somewhat in

6:06 ↗ 2019

6:07 ↗ went off and on and then the land use

6:10 ↗ title 18 ad hoc committee was formed

6:13 ↗ and it's um currently comprised of

6:16 ↗ council member

6:17 ↗ goodman walsh and hun and

6:21 ↗ the council tasked the committee with

6:22 ↗ identifying the stakeholders

6:26 ↗ and recommending a project scope a

6:28 ↗ public engagement plan

6:30 ↗ and make the recommendations so i'll

6:32 ↗ talk briefly about the work that the

6:34 ↗ committee has done

6:35 ↗ and charged uh the planning policy

6:37 ↗ commission

6:38 ↗ with uh with going through and making a

6:41 ↗ recommendation

6:42 ↗ for full council most recently

6:45 ↗ in april the city council also awarded a

6:48 ↗ professional services contract um for

6:51 ↗ this code update

6:52 ↗ a significant portion of this will be

6:54 ↗ handled by a bhc consultants

6:56 ↗ that and katie from bhc is over here

7:00 ↗ tonight she'll talk to you about the

7:01 ↗ schedule and other things and

7:04 ↗ their consultant team uh which is made

7:06 ↗ up of uh multiple

7:07 ↗ consultants based on the specialty um

7:10 ↗ that we need to look at through the code

7:12 ↗ um i'll talk and hand over to katie but

7:16 ↗ i want to cover some of the basic

7:18 ↗ framework for land use planning um so

7:21 ↗ growth management act was adopted in

7:23 ↗ 1990

7:24 ↗ and that sets the framework for a lot of

7:27 ↗ these regulations that come into play

7:30 ↗ and and overlaid with that is the puget

7:32 ↗ sound regional council's vision 2050

7:35 ↗ uh so they puja stand regional council

7:37 ↗ looks at um

7:40 ↗ the forecasting what how the region will

7:42 ↗ grow how many people are expected

7:44 ↗ what's entailed for housing jobs and so

7:47 ↗ on and so forth and that

7:49 ↗ forms the basis for multi-county

7:51 ↗ planning policies

7:53 ↗ not just king county but the other

7:55 ↗ counties then king county takes some of

7:58 ↗ that framework and

8:00 ↗ and works and comes up with county-wide

8:02 ↗ planning policies

8:03 ↗ that the cities then um have an

8:06 ↗ opportunity to comment

8:08 ↗ they also need to be ratified by 70

8:11 ↗ of the population of the king county and

8:14 ↗ that

8:14 ↗ establishes the framework for local

8:16 ↗ cities to uh

8:18 ↗ to come up with their own local unique

8:20 ↗ uh comprehensive plans but they have to

8:22 ↗ be consistent with all these layers of

8:25 ↗ underlying rules and

8:28 ↗ and framework and then at the city level

8:32 ↗ then our local land use regulations

8:35 ↗ um have to be consistent with our

8:37 ↗ comprehensive plan

8:40 ↗ and those are approved our local rules

8:43 ↗ land use regulations are approved by

8:45 ↗ department of commerce we have to notify

8:47 ↗ them

8:47 ↗ and one of the things they look for are

8:49 ↗ whether we are consistent with

8:51 ↗ with all of these other framework

8:55 ↗ so growth management planning i included

8:57 ↗ this information in your packet but i

8:59 ↗ want to highlight some of the things

9:01 ↗ that

9:01 ↗ form the planning in washington state

9:03 ↗ which is different

9:05 ↗ and unique in the senses that we

9:07 ↗ establish

9:08 ↗ you know a framework for encouraging

9:11 ↗ urban growth where facilities can meet

9:13 ↗ the service needs

9:15 ↗ there's a guiding principle to reduce

9:18 ↗ the sprawl

9:19 ↗ transportation needs to be efficient and

9:20 ↗ multimodal

9:22 ↗ affordable housing is a as a guiding

9:24 ↗ principle economic development

9:27 ↗ is also there protecting private

9:29 ↗ property rights from arbitrary decisions

9:32 ↗ is is also a guiding principle so

9:35 ↗ therefore

9:36 ↗ the the land use regulations cannot be

9:38 ↗ so broad

9:39 ↗ and and and so that they are not

9:43 ↗ applied consistently um the permits uh

9:46 ↗ there is guidance on how

9:48 ↗ they need to be issued in a timely and

9:50 ↗ administered

9:52 ↗ them fairly um and and so on uh you know

9:55 ↗ citizen participation is a goal

9:57 ↗ historic preservation uh shoreline

10:00 ↗ management act

10:01 ↗ um a goal was a step was added to the

10:03 ↗ gma

10:04 ↗ which is the growth management act most

10:07 ↗ recently

10:09 ↗ so in addition to the growth management

10:11 ↗ act and the guiding principles there are

10:13 ↗ other state laws

10:15 ↗ state environmental policy act the

10:17 ↗ acronym is cpa

10:19 ↗ we'll try not to use these acronyms but

10:21 ↗ i this may come up

10:22 ↗ keep uh so i just wanted to kind of

10:24 ↗ throw that out there

10:25 ↗ so this is really uh looking at

10:28 ↗ environmental

10:29 ↗ impacts from development so 1971 when a

10:33 ↗ lot of cities did not have any

10:35 ↗ uh regulations in place for protecting

10:38 ↗ some of the natural

10:39 ↗ um resources and such cipa was used as a

10:42 ↗ mitigation measure

10:43 ↗ for a lot of these things over the years

10:46 ↗ it's used as

10:47 ↗ a tool where you really have a big

10:50 ↗ project

10:51 ↗ and it's going to be a big impact it

10:53 ↗ needs to be looked at

10:54 ↗ those impacts need to be assessed early

10:57 ↗ in the project

10:59 ↗ shoreline management act is another

11:01 ↗ state

11:02 ↗ law in in issaquah it's the lake

11:04 ↗ sammamish the main stem of issaquah

11:07 ↗ creek

11:07 ↗ and um such so there are some water

11:09 ↗ bodies that

11:10 ↗ have to also be uh the regulations

11:12 ↗ around those have to be consistent with

11:15 ↗ the shoreline management act um

11:18 ↗ back in the day state decided that

11:20 ↗ subdividing the land is a

11:22 ↗ is a regulation of state interest so if

11:25 ↗ you have

11:26 ↗ any land and you want to divide it into

11:28 ↗ subsequent you know smaller lots

11:30 ↗ or for sale for lease or for financial

11:34 ↗ purposes

11:34 ↗ it has to be consistent and compliant

11:37 ↗ with the subdivision laws

11:39 ↗ critical areas wetlands watercourses

11:42 ↗ you know the five different types that

11:45 ↗ are regulated by the state and

11:47 ↗ the cities have to update our

11:49 ↗ regulations periodically to keep up with

11:52 ↗ the best available science which is a

11:54 ↗ guidance

11:55 ↗ we have to document so that that's

11:58 ↗ some highlights of the state laws

12:00 ↗ there's a lot more but these are some of

12:02 ↗ the main ones

12:04 ↗ in addition to the state planning

12:06 ↗ framework we have cities own

12:08 ↗ adopted visions goals and policies

12:12 ↗ so these come in various forms and you

12:14 ↗ all probably have your fingerprints on

12:16 ↗ some of these uh you know if you were on

12:18 ↗ the

12:18 ↗ planning policy commission when these

12:20 ↗ were adopted and

12:21 ↗ you made a recommendation to city

12:23 ↗ council others may have participated

12:25 ↗ uh through your community engagement

12:27 ↗ there was significant community

12:28 ↗ engagement with the strategic plan

12:30 ↗ which is the most recent update that the

12:33 ↗ city did in 2019.

12:36 ↗ so all of these um are out there um

12:39 ↗ you are probably all familiar with them

12:42 ↗ uh we're happy to have

12:43 ↗ more um you know discussion um but the

12:47 ↗ land use

12:48 ↗ tools and regulations are tools to

12:50 ↗ implement some of these visions that the

12:52 ↗ city has adopted

12:53 ↗ there is some upcoming work that the

12:55 ↗ city is doing for climate action plan

12:58 ↗ and i believe that's tentatively

12:59 ↗ scheduled to come in front of you

13:02 ↗ later this summer or fall um

13:06 ↗ and so in addition to these policies

13:08 ↗ that were adopted formally the

13:10 ↗ title 18 ad hoc committee has charged uh

13:14 ↗ staff and the planning policy commission

13:16 ↗ with these 13

13:18 ↗ goals and their desired outcomes so

13:20 ↗ we've included these in your packet

13:23 ↗ tonight

13:24 ↗ um but but if you really want to focus

13:27 ↗ your reading

13:28 ↗ i would suggest you go to these 13 and

13:30 ↗ get familiar with what

13:31 ↗ these desired goals and and outcomes

13:35 ↗ are for for the council and the

13:38 ↗ community

13:39 ↗ so um again i think in the document

13:41 ↗ itself we reference the land use policy

13:45 ↗ uh from the comprehensive plan and also

13:47 ↗ from the strategic plan

13:49 ↗ which informs some of these goals for

13:52 ↗ instance

13:53 ↗ protect the forested hillsides or

13:56 ↗ provide adequate parking

13:58 ↗ while using land efficiently

14:01 ↗ protect your critical areas conserve and

14:04 ↗ protect but also enhance

14:06 ↗ the wetlands and the riparian corridors

14:08 ↗ improve the public awareness

14:10 ↗ is one of the goals increase the housing

14:13 ↗ diversity

14:15 ↗ tree canopy coverage retain the charm

14:18 ↗ and distinctive character

14:20 ↗ for some of the neighborhoods create a

14:22 ↗ livable community

14:24 ↗ have some sustainable development and

14:26 ↗ climate goals

14:27 ↗ how do we manage effectively the travel

14:30 ↗ from new development

14:32 ↗ implement the park strategic plan and

14:34 ↗ the green necklace that

14:36 ↗ plan that was done sign code that's

14:39 ↗ being

14:40 ↗ processed separately and that you all

14:42 ↗ have made recommendation on and the

14:44 ↗ third one

14:45 ↗ captures you know modernize your code

14:47 ↗ and incorporate the best practices we

14:49 ↗ currently have too many different codes

14:51 ↗ into

14:51 ↗ too many different places so how do we

14:53 ↗ create it more

14:55 ↗ user-friendly interface how do we

14:57 ↗ incorporate the best practices in that

15:00 ↗ so that's the goals and outcomes chart

15:03 ↗ um i'll briefly touch on the strategic

15:06 ↗ plan

15:07 ↗ you know there are some broad goals here

15:10 ↗ growth and development is one of them

15:13 ↗ categories

15:14 ↗ and i just picked one the first one in

15:16 ↗ terms of

15:17 ↗ uh what you know the retain the

15:19 ↗ neighborhood character which then

15:21 ↗ formed into uh the golden outcomes chart

15:24 ↗ the potential action under that is to

15:26 ↗ update codes and standards

15:28 ↗ which is what we're doing now bringing

15:31 ↗ forth

15:32 ↗ some recommendations for you to consider

15:36 ↗ comprehensive plan which is a state

15:38 ↗ requirement each city is required to

15:40 ↗ have there are some required

15:41 ↗ elements that we have to have and

15:44 ↗ there's one that's for land use

15:47 ↗ so that establishes some of the goals

15:49 ↗ and policies for land use

15:52 ↗ i picked one the very first one i think

15:55 ↗ um that talks about

15:56 ↗ what's a goal and what's a policy um

16:00 ↗ the goal would talk about at a little

16:02 ↗ bit higher level you know maintain and

16:04 ↗ enhance the natural systems

16:06 ↗ um the policy would say encourage

16:08 ↗ efficient use of land

16:10 ↗ by allowing clustering of buildings

16:12 ↗ within the development so you're

16:13 ↗ preserving some of those natural

16:15 ↗ features

16:18 ↗ and then we have the central isoqua plan

16:21 ↗ which has gone through wedding with the

16:24 ↗ community it's been adopted

16:26 ↗ amended a few times and it establishes

16:30 ↗ some of the vision for different areas

16:32 ↗ within central issaquah

16:34 ↗ again these are at a little bit uh level

16:37 ↗ of

16:37 ↗ talking about livable sustainable

16:39 ↗ compact connected urban community

16:42 ↗ you know pedestrians are a priority mix

16:44 ↗ of uses

16:46 ↗ um so and and where people are drawn

16:49 ↗ from different places to live work and

16:51 ↗ play in these areas

16:53 ↗ um but then all of that sets the

16:56 ↗ framework and then we come to what is

16:58 ↗ the title 18 do

17:00 ↗ so all these visions that the city has

17:02 ↗ adopted

17:03 ↗ can be implemented in basically three

17:05 ↗ different ways and title

17:06 ↗ and land use regulations are a pretty

17:08 ↗ important component

17:09 ↗ the other ways these things come into

17:11 ↗ play and get implemented are a capital

17:13 ↗ improvement plan that you guys all

17:16 ↗ participated in that recently where does

17:18 ↗ the city choose to spend the money and

17:20 ↗ fund those facilities

17:22 ↗ and the third thing is the programs and

17:24 ↗ implementation

17:25 ↗ of things that the city does so it's

17:27 ↗ sort of like a three-legged stool but

17:30 ↗ development regulations play a pretty

17:32 ↗ strong um

17:34 ↗ an important role in in bringing forth

17:36 ↗ some of those desired outcomes that the

17:38 ↗ community has for issaquah

17:41 ↗ so how uh we choose to do a title 18 yes

17:45 ↗ it has to be combined with the state

17:47 ↗ laws and framework but then which

17:50 ↗ the the community the council the

17:52 ↗ planning policy commission

17:54 ↗ gets to choose how we set up our zoning

17:57 ↗ ordinances what kind of processes do we

17:59 ↗ want what does sustainability

18:01 ↗ mean for um for issaquah and how far do

18:04 ↗ we want to go in some of those

18:06 ↗ regulations

18:07 ↗ um so an example i want to give you here

18:11 ↗ so it that's sort of the framework but

18:13 ↗ what does this mean

18:14 ↗ on the ground so if central asico for

18:16 ↗ instance has some parking goals to say

18:18 ↗ provide safe reasonable adequate storage

18:21 ↗ of cars

18:22 ↗ so what does that mean for title 18 does

18:24 ↗ it mean you can have a

18:26 ↗ path that connects the parking to this

18:28 ↗ do we want a different

18:30 ↗ surface do we want it uh any

18:33 ↗ kind of parking garage to be screened

18:35 ↗ how do we want our sidewalks to be set

18:38 ↗ up

18:38 ↗ so it gets into the nuances and and

18:41 ↗ details of what

18:42 ↗ that uh that those regulations mean

18:46 ↗ similarly for circulation for instance

18:48 ↗ we you know the vision is

18:50 ↗ not just for moving cars make

18:51 ↗ pedestrians a priority

18:53 ↗ that the the rules and regulations will

18:56 ↗ then get into

18:57 ↗ how wide the sidewalk needs to be does

18:59 ↗ it need to have different surfaces

19:01 ↗ how far apart the trees need to be

19:03 ↗ planted

19:04 ↗ um you know so those are the level of

19:07 ↗ details that the land use regulations

19:09 ↗ and the title 18 will get into

19:12 ↗ so just wanted to kind of share so you

19:16 ↗ understand from an implementation

19:17 ↗ standpoint once

19:19 ↗ how these are implemented so someone

19:21 ↗ proposes a site plan and here's what

19:23 ↗ they want to build

19:25 ↗ then you look at you know then the staff

19:27 ↗ will be looking at the title 18 code to

19:29 ↗ make sure

19:30 ↗ that it is in compliance with the code

19:33 ↗ are the breaking

19:34 ↗ parking lots broken up the stall sizes

19:37 ↗ meeting our standards

19:38 ↗ how much landscaping there is you know

19:41 ↗ quantitatively

19:42 ↗ qualitatively what's the massing of this

19:44 ↗ building looking like

19:46 ↗ um does so that's the level of detail

19:49 ↗ that the land use code then gets into

19:52 ↗ um for planning you know it looks at the

19:55 ↗ layout it looks at the lot

19:56 ↗ sizes um the what how wide the roads

20:00 ↗ need to be

20:01 ↗ how the homes are going to be set up for

20:04 ↗ the site plan you're looking at other

20:06 ↗ community spaces that are

20:08 ↗ included in there and things of that

20:10 ↗ nature

20:11 ↗ um the land use process um is also what

20:14 ↗ you'll be making a recommendation on

20:16 ↗ uh you know how to engage the community

20:18 ↗ in it but also how to make

20:20 ↗ sure that it is in compliance with all

20:23 ↗ the state law

20:24 ↗ um so right now we have all of these you

20:26 ↗ know the pre-application meetings we

20:30 ↗ have some site plan approvals uh staff

20:33 ↗ makes a report

20:34 ↗ generally larger projects would go to

20:37 ↗ development commission

20:38 ↗ which ones should go to planning

20:39 ↗ commission development commission which

20:42 ↗ ones should be administrative which one

20:43 ↗ should go to

20:44 ↗ hearing examiner all of that will be

20:46 ↗ vetted out through this title 18 update

20:49 ↗ and then you know when we issue a

20:51 ↗ decision what happens after that

20:53 ↗ is anyone can appeal it if they

20:56 ↗ if it doesn't get appealed then it could

20:58 ↗ be a construction permit

21:00 ↗ then we do inspections and then they're

21:02 ↗ issued a certificate of occupancy at

21:04 ↗ that point

21:05 ↗ it becomes where people can it can be

21:07 ↗ occupied

21:08 ↗ so that sort of gives you a very quick

21:10 ↗ and um you know from point a to point z

21:13 ↗ what's the framework what's title 18

21:15 ↗ code how is it implemented

21:18 ↗ we're happy to go into more detail with

21:21 ↗ that but i want to make sure we

21:22 ↗ have enough time today to

21:26 ↗ talk about how we're going to handle the

21:28 ↗ update and what the schedule looks like

21:31 ↗ um and and get your feedback on that

21:34 ↗ so that concludes my presentation i can

21:36 ↗ take questions now

21:38 ↗ or we can um have katie give her

21:40 ↗ presentation and then get into

21:42 ↗ uh questions

21:49 ↗ thank you minnie uh so i'm gonna go and

21:51 ↗ open this up for questions for

21:53 ↗ from the commissioners and i'll give you

21:56 ↗ folks a minute to put something in the

21:59 ↗ chat

22:00 ↗ uh cheerful i see that um commissioner

22:02 ↗ lewis has a point of clarification

22:06 ↗ mr joy lewis thank you for that

22:08 ↗ presentation minnie

22:10 ↗ um you did email us uh in our packet

22:13 ↗ asking for three things for us to

22:14 ↗ consider which i of course have my

22:16 ↗ recommendations right now but i'm

22:18 ↗ curious if right now you're taking

22:19 ↗ input on goals um right now this is the

22:23 ↗ first time we've seen this document or

22:24 ↗ if right now you're saying that the

22:26 ↗ goals that have been presented are

22:27 ↗ set not ready to be um they are what

22:30 ↗ they are that's what i'm kind of curious

22:32 ↗ about

22:33 ↗ yeah you know and those are the goals

22:35 ↗ that the the city council has

22:37 ↗ established so that will inform

22:39 ↗ your uh review um of

22:42 ↗ um so that was work that was done um

22:45 ↗ before with city council

22:48 ↗ yes i'm curious if they're looking for

22:49 ↗ feedback on those goals and if they'd

22:51 ↗ like

22:52 ↗ i see missing things from our experience

22:55 ↗ working with community and so that's

22:56 ↗ what my question is if you there yeah

22:58 ↗ committee is looking for feedback on the

22:59 ↗ goals i think at this

23:01 ↗ point uh the idea was that the goals

23:04 ↗ were established but we're happy to take

23:05 ↗ the feedback

23:06 ↗ and we do meet with uh title 18 ad hoc

23:09 ↗ committee every two weeks

23:11 ↗ and we can share if you feel strongly uh

23:14 ↗ that there are some

23:14 ↗ um missing pieces there i do i have like

23:18 ↗ five or six

23:18 ↗ uh things that are missing um and so i

23:21 ↗ can email you separately if that's not

23:22 ↗ something you want to discuss in this

23:23 ↗ forum that's fine

23:25 ↗ um but just let me know what your

23:26 ↗ preference is for that

23:28 ↗ yeah that's fine you can email us

23:33 ↗ mr milligan have a question

23:38 ↗ thank you and thank you commissioner

23:41 ↗ lewis

23:42 ↗ you almost asked my question and but

23:44 ↗ what i'd like

23:45 ↗ at this time because i think it's really

23:47 ↗ helpful for us and for the public

23:49 ↗ is if uh director diwali would put into

23:51 ↗ the record

23:52 ↗ what the three questions are for tonight

23:55 ↗ what do you

23:56 ↗ want to hear from us by the end of the

23:59 ↗ evening

23:59 ↗ be helpful right now to get that on the

24:01 ↗ table uh sure i can post it in the chat

24:04 ↗ um but i also you know katie um was

24:07 ↗ going to talk about the schedule and

24:08 ↗ then

24:08 ↗ get into the questions because most of

24:10 ↗ those questions are related to

24:12 ↗ the schedule and how we want to handle

24:14 ↗ this but i'm happy to put that in the

24:16 ↗ chat

24:28 ↗ okay looks like we have another question

24:30 ↗ from commissioner lewis

24:32 ↗ thank you commissioner joy lewis one

24:34 ↗ more point of clarification how you want

24:36 ↗ us to dive into this

24:37 ↗ are you wanting to go point by point on

24:38 ↗ the goals and have us do a round robin

24:41 ↗ on on each one do you want us to how is

24:43 ↗ how is it that you would like to get

24:45 ↗ feedback on this document um i'm sure

24:47 ↗ everybody has a lot of

24:48 ↗ a lot of comments on it that would help

24:49 ↗ to give us some direction on how you'd

24:51 ↗ like us to dive in right now

24:55 ↗ um so are you talking about the golden

24:58 ↗ outcomes char uh there's there's a lot

25:02 ↗ to break down but yeah i can either go

25:03 ↗ point by point on goals um if you want

25:06 ↗ us to all go through

25:08 ↗ that way or if you'd rather have us go

25:10 ↗ through page by page i'm just curious

25:12 ↗ how you want to go through getting our

25:13 ↗ feedback on this document

25:16 ↗ it's up to the chair how uh you know um

25:19 ↗ i i think for

25:20 ↗ for me you can go commissioner by

25:22 ↗ commissioner or we could go by topic

25:27 ↗ so i don't know if other commissioners

25:29 ↗ have um

25:31 ↗ information about the goals but i think

25:33 ↗ um

25:34 ↗ that's a separate conversation we need

25:36 ↗ to have with title 18 at our committee

25:38 ↗ and you know that that's those are the

25:39 ↗ goals that the council has established

25:41 ↗ so we're happy to take the feedback on

25:43 ↗ the goals part

25:45 ↗ um but um we also want to make sure that

25:48 ↗ we get your your take on

25:51 ↗ uh the pieces for title 18 and and how

25:55 ↗ um how we break up the pieces to bring

25:58 ↗ forth to you

25:59 ↗ on that piece so my my preference if we

26:01 ↗ are if would be to

26:02 ↗ to talk about the schedule and the

26:04 ↗ public outreach piece

26:06 ↗ first if we can and then if we have time

26:09 ↗ we want to talk about uh other uh

26:12 ↗ missing pieces and the goals

26:14 ↗ um you can either email it to us or we

26:16 ↗ can discuss them

26:17 ↗ uh collectively as a group with the

26:19 ↗ commission yeah i'll email you

26:21 ↗ separately about the missing one i

26:22 ↗ didn't know if you wanted feedback i've

26:23 ↗ got

26:24 ↗ multiple feedbacks on the current goals

26:25 ↗ not talking about anything that's

26:26 ↗ missing right now

26:27 ↗ um so specifically what you're asking

26:29 ↗ about i'm curious on page 23 if you can

26:31 ↗ help me out with a color code

26:33 ↗ there's no key and right now the way

26:34 ↗ that the colors are used they repeat and

26:36 ↗ so there's no discernible way to tell

26:38 ↗ how you guys

26:39 ↗ are actually breaking apart that

26:40 ↗ schedule um so if we could go to that

26:43 ↗ um to help us with uh with the schedule

26:47 ↗ yeah so that's the part that i think

26:49 ↗ katie from bhc who is going to walk you

26:51 ↗ through

26:52 ↗ tonight so she hasn't done her

26:54 ↗ presentation so if we can

26:56 ↗ let her talk through uh that piece uh

26:59 ↗ first that may help answer some of the

27:04 ↗ questions

27:08 ↗ thank you very much so many so i think

27:10 ↗ what we'll do is

27:11 ↗ pull off on questions until after um

27:15 ↗ we hear the presentation and then we

27:18 ↗ will uh maybe

27:20 ↗ ans ask the questions by topic

27:23 ↗ that way they're categorized kind of a

27:26 ↗ compartmentalized way um okay

27:29 ↗ so let's go ahead and have katie uh

27:33 ↗ give her presentation

27:36 ↗ okay thank you so much just give me one

27:46 ↗ second

27:48 ↗ okay um

27:51 ↗ stop me if you're not not seeing what

27:54 ↗ i'm seeing um

27:55 ↗ so thank you all for having me tonight

27:58 ↗ uh it's a pleasure to be here i

28:00 ↗ have presented to the development

28:02 ↗ commission before but i've never had the

28:04 ↗ pleasure of meeting this commission so

28:06 ↗ i'm very happy to be here um i'm going

28:09 ↗ to skip ahead to

28:10 ↗ the schedule and talk a little bit about

28:16 ↗ our plan and i recognize there are a lot

28:19 ↗ of numbers

28:19 ↗ and words and colors and lines and bars

28:23 ↗ on this um on this schedule and it's

28:26 ↗ pretty

28:26 ↗ challenging to fit a year and a half

28:29 ↗ process into a single line so

28:32 ↗ apologies for that um up front but

28:35 ↗ it is one of our priorities after

28:37 ↗ hearing some public feedback about

28:38 ↗ wanting the schedule to be a little bit

28:40 ↗ more user-friendly especially for

28:42 ↗ members of the public

28:44 ↗ we are going to be working on a schedule

28:46 ↗ that

28:48 ↗ is a little bit easier to access and

28:51 ↗ more clearly

28:52 ↗ shows when and how members of the

28:54 ↗ community can be

28:55 ↗ involved in the code update so

28:58 ↗ i'll start with actually the bottom

29:01 ↗ line here this

29:05 ↗ is showing the four phases that we're

29:07 ↗ breaking this code up into

29:09 ↗ we're just in the in the very beginning

29:12 ↗ phases here

29:13 ↗ in the strategy phase and work planning

29:15 ↗ time

29:16 ↗ um we haven't actually started drafting

29:19 ↗ any of the code elements but

29:20 ↗ we've started to um lay out a table of

29:23 ↗ contents

29:24 ↗ for what the code could could

29:28 ↗ include we've also been reviewing

29:31 ↗ draft elements that were created in the

29:34 ↗ last code update effort that started in

29:36 ↗ 2019 that was

29:38 ↗ was not finished um and then

29:41 ↗ we're diving into a gaps analysis of

29:44 ↗ looking at

29:47 ↗ the guiding visions and policies and

29:51 ↗ strategic planning documents that many

29:53 ↗ introduced

29:55 ↗ figuring out what the vision is how the

29:58 ↗ code does or does not

29:59 ↗ implement those visions where there are

30:01 ↗ gaps

30:02 ↗ and how we create code to fill those

30:06 ↗ gaps

30:06 ↗ so that the visions can be implemented

30:08 ↗ into code

30:10 ↗ we're expecting that the drafting phase

30:13 ↗ will

30:15 ↗ last for about a year or so there's

30:18 ↗ a significant amount of work that needs

30:20 ↗ to be done on

30:21 ↗ on many areas of the code not only

30:25 ↗ creating new sections but updating

30:27 ↗ sections combining sections that are in

30:30 ↗ different parts of um of issaquah's

30:35 ↗ land use code um and then going through

30:38 ↗ an iterative

30:39 ↗ an iterative process of reviewing those

30:42 ↗ drafts and

30:44 ↗ revising them until we feel like they're

30:46 ↗ ready to be

30:47 ↗ called a final draft and as we um

30:51 ↗ as we have final drafts we'll we'll

30:53 ↗ begin to bring those back

30:55 ↗ to the planning policy commission until

30:58 ↗ skipping way ahead

31:00 ↗ we have a final draft that's complete um

31:03 ↗ sometime around uh

31:06 ↗ sometime around mid next year and then

31:10 ↗ um we'll begin the adoption phase so

31:13 ↗ stepping back to where we are now uh we

31:16 ↗ are

31:18 ↗ we're meeting with you to start to kick

31:19 ↗ this process off and also

31:21 ↗ to figure out the best way that we can

31:23 ↗ engage with a ppc this is

31:25 ↗ obviously a really important project for

31:27 ↗ the city and

31:28 ↗ this body is charged with working

31:31 ↗ through

31:32 ↗ the details of the code update and then

31:35 ↗ recommending

31:35 ↗ approval to the council we wanted to

31:39 ↗ make sure to meet early

31:42 ↗ so that we can work out some of the

31:45 ↗ questions about

31:46 ↗ goals and this gap analysis idea

31:51 ↗ and then again we will come back once we

31:54 ↗ have actual draft code to discuss that

31:57 ↗ with you as well

31:59 ↗ but one of the parts that we are hoping

32:01 ↗ that we can talk about tonight

32:03 ↗ is um the the idea of

32:07 ↗ bringing the ppc together with other

32:09 ↗ boards

32:10 ↗ to hold joint meetings to address

32:14 ↗ different topic areas where other boards

32:16 ↗ might be able to add

32:17 ↗ additional expertise

32:20 ↗ for example there are topics that

32:24 ↗ have to do with the natural environment

32:25 ↗ and then in this

32:27 ↗ second bar here you can see the green

32:31 ↗ items are those that have to do with

32:35 ↗ landscape or critical areas or

32:38 ↗ tree management generally natural errors

32:41 ↗ topics

32:42 ↗ those might be um good topics to have a

32:44 ↗ joint

32:45 ↗ a joint meeting with the environmental

32:47 ↗ board on for example

32:48 ↗ um other topics like the the orange

32:52 ↗ and blue topics have to do with um

32:56 ↗ building design uh site planning

32:59 ↗ also procedural permitting steps

33:02 ↗ those might be good topics to have a

33:04 ↗ joint meeting with the development

33:06 ↗ commission on for example

33:07 ↗ um there could other there could be

33:09 ↗ other topics like the green necklace

33:12 ↗ integration

33:13 ↗ um that maybe the parks board would want

33:15 ↗ to weigh in on so

33:16 ↗ we recognize there isn't endless

33:19 ↗ opportunities for meetings and the ppc

33:21 ↗ probably has

33:22 ↗ you know full plate regardless of the

33:24 ↗ code update so

33:26 ↗ we may need to make some choices on how

33:28 ↗ we take certain topics and and how we

33:30 ↗ plan the schedule

33:32 ↗ to have the right boards in the right

33:33 ↗ room um on the right night

33:37 ↗ so i'm gonna advance this is a zoomed in

33:40 ↗ version

33:41 ↗ of the schedule i wanted to just

33:43 ↗ highlight again

33:44 ↗ some of the different groupings that

33:47 ↗ might make sense

33:48 ↗ um i hadn't mentioned the uh transit

33:52 ↗ advisory board is another

33:53 ↗ group that we may choose to take some of

33:55 ↗ the transportation related items to

33:58 ↗ um i've i've i've added dates here i

34:02 ↗ think those are very

34:03 ↗ tentative dates and all of these dates

34:05 ↗ are

34:06 ↗ up for discussion but

34:09 ↗ this was one idea of how we might choose

34:13 ↗ to break up

34:13 ↗ those joint meetings

34:18 ↗ in addition to the joint meetings that

34:20 ↗ are also public meetings where

34:22 ↗ members of the public can come and

34:23 ↗ listen ask questions and

34:25 ↗ have public comment we'll also be

34:29 ↗ engaging in other public outreach

34:33 ↗ depending on the type of information

34:35 ↗ that we're trying to

34:37 ↗ um the type of guidance that we're

34:39 ↗ trying to get from the community

34:41 ↗ we've already received several public

34:43 ↗ comments and so as we

34:44 ↗ get public comments we're keeping track

34:47 ↗ of those

34:48 ↗ we'll be logging logging the comments

34:51 ↗ based on

34:52 ↗ their topic and tracking how

34:55 ↗ we address those comments in the code

34:57 ↗ update um

34:59 ↗ and uh we've also

35:03 ↗ discussed holding some targeted

35:07 ↗ focus groups perhaps for certain members

35:10 ↗ of the community that have a specific

35:12 ↗ interest

35:13 ↗ that that they're willing to meet with

35:16 ↗ the city on

35:17 ↗ and uh help us to think through

35:20 ↗ some of this this gap analysis

35:22 ↗ conversation and

35:24 ↗ um to share their ideas and help us

35:28 ↗ develop the code or develop the ideas

35:30 ↗ for the code

35:31 ↗ before we start the drafting process we

35:35 ↗ will also be doing targeted outreach to

35:38 ↗ the city council

35:39 ↗ in a in before

35:43 ↗ the draft is ready for them to review

35:45 ↗ we've been meeting regularly with the ad

35:47 ↗ hoc

35:48 ↗ committee that is guiding the

35:51 ↗ update process as well

35:55 ↗ our goal is that the council

35:58 ↗ that we have a very transparent process

36:00 ↗ where members of the community

36:02 ↗ and members of council are aware of what

36:05 ↗ we're doing

36:06 ↗ which sections of code we're working on

36:08 ↗ at different times

36:10 ↗ so that they can make sure and um

36:13 ↗ have that opportunity to comment and to

36:17 ↗ have their interests be considered in

36:19 ↗ the work that we're doing

36:22 ↗ um we've discussed possibly

36:26 ↗ using a survey tool if we find that

36:28 ↗ there's

36:29 ↗ information that would be best gathered

36:32 ↗ through a survey

36:32 ↗ and that's an option that's open to us

36:34 ↗ although we haven't yet

36:36 ↗ identified what information would be

36:38 ↗ useful to gather through

36:40 ↗ a survey but that is a tool that we

36:42 ↗ might use

36:43 ↗ and then the city also will have a

36:45 ↗ website where

36:46 ↗ one we will we'll have information on

36:49 ↗ upcoming meetings when drafts are

36:51 ↗ available we'll have drafts

36:53 ↗ links to drafts that the public can

36:55 ↗ access and

36:56 ↗ provide comment and feedback as well

37:02 ↗ so i actually broke my questions into

37:04 ↗ four

37:05 ↗ instead of three but i think the general

37:08 ↗ area or the general

37:10 ↗ um theme of the questions is

37:13 ↗ is the same as um what mini put in the

37:16 ↗ chat

37:17 ↗ and essentially what we're hoping to get

37:19 ↗ your guidance on tonight is is the

37:22 ↗ the schedule that we propose the right

37:24 ↗ amount of involvement

37:27 ↗ during this early stage of the code

37:29 ↗ update

37:30 ↗ is this the same amount of involvement

37:32 ↗ you'd like to have

37:34 ↗ when a draft is available

37:37 ↗ um are there is this the right amount of

37:40 ↗ of joint meetings are there different

37:42 ↗ groupings of meetings

37:44 ↗ with boards that you'd like to have is

37:46 ↗ it you know

37:47 ↗ more with the development commission

37:49 ↗ more of the environmental board

37:51 ↗ would you prefer to have meetings on

37:53 ↗ your own um

37:54 ↗ and then is the way that we've broken up

37:56 ↗ the topics

37:58 ↗ the right way to to break them up or

38:00 ↗ would it be

38:01 ↗ helpful to take any other topics

38:05 ↗ on their own or grouped with other

38:08 ↗ subjects

38:09 ↗ differently than what we have done

38:15 ↗ so that's the end of my presentation

38:18 ↗ and i will stop sharing but i'm

38:22 ↗ i'm happy to bring the schedule back up

38:25 ↗ if that's helpful as a tool for talking

38:28 ↗ thank you katie appreciate it so we're

38:31 ↗ going to

38:33 ↗ i think open up for public comment but

38:36 ↗ we're going to have

38:37 ↗ two different sets of public comments uh

38:40 ↗ tonight we are going to

38:41 ↗ first focus on public comment as related

38:44 ↗ to

38:45 ↗ the isoqua municipal code title 18 land

38:47 ↗ use code

38:49 ↗ that way we can hear what the public has

38:52 ↗ what the public opinion is and questions

38:54 ↗ about title 18

38:59 ↗ before we have our discussions we can

39:01 ↗ maybe rope things in together

39:03 ↗ and then we will open it we'll have our

39:06 ↗ discussion and then we'll

39:07 ↗ open up back for public comment maybe

39:10 ↗ for

39:10 ↗ general business and and input um

39:15 ↗ so with that said uh christian let's go

39:18 ↗ ahead

39:18 ↗ and open up for a public comment at 7

39:22 ↗ 11. well this is kristen so we have two

39:26 ↗ people signed up to speak the first

39:28 ↗ is deepa savarajan and so

39:31 ↗ i am going to make you a panelist

39:34 ↗ i'll unmute you

39:39 ↗ and i'll make you a panelist you're now

39:41 ↗ a panelist

39:43 ↗ you can go ahead and speak thank you can

39:46 ↗ you hear me

39:47 ↗ oops stop my video

39:51 ↗ hi my name is uh deepa sivarajan i am

39:54 ↗ the washington policy manager at climate

39:56 ↗ solutions which is a nonprofit working

39:58 ↗ to accelerate clean energy solutions in

40:00 ↗ the northwest to the climate crisis

40:02 ↗ um i wanted to to come and comment um on

40:05 ↗ the

40:05 ↗ title 18 process today uh just to

40:07 ↗ strongly encourage

40:09 ↗ um you know the city and the planning

40:11 ↗ policy commission in your

40:11 ↗ recommendations to

40:13 ↗ incorporate climate um as a as a

40:15 ↗ consideration and

40:17 ↗ a factor in the in this land use code

40:20 ↗ update

40:21 ↗ um i know that uh there are a lot of

40:23 ↗ moving pieces and sort of the city's

40:25 ↗ planning processes and

40:26 ↗ one is an upcoming climate action plan

40:28 ↗ um but

40:29 ↗ uh i don't want process to get in the

40:31 ↗ way of action

40:32 ↗ uh for something that is as urgent as

40:34 ↗ our climate crisis and

40:36 ↗ um i know that um the influencer from

40:38 ↗ pca is surprised on

40:39 ↗ today as well they held a great event

40:41 ↗ last year a climate convening

40:43 ↗ uh to engage with the public around what

40:45 ↗ the city should do

40:46 ↗ around climate and there was strong

40:48 ↗ interest um from the city

40:49 ↗ in in both uh reducing emissions from

40:52 ↗ transportation

40:53 ↗ and from buildings both of which i think

40:55 ↗ um are factors that can be

40:57 ↗ addressed through land use code as well

40:58 ↗ as through other um policy mechanisms

41:00 ↗ so i just wanted to to strongly urge

41:03 ↗ that uh

41:04 ↗ lens and also um offer to provide any

41:07 ↗ resources through through our work

41:09 ↗ uh climate solutions does a lot of work

41:11 ↗ coordinating between local governments

41:13 ↗ um

41:13 ↗ on policy approaches particularly in

41:15 ↗ decarbonization um for both

41:17 ↗ transportation and buildings

41:18 ↗ i am currently working on a on a sort of

41:20 ↗ model policy with um

41:22 ↗ earthjustice that uh that uses land use

41:24 ↗ code to get it

41:26 ↗ decarbonization of buildings so um any

41:28 ↗ way that we can help provide resources

41:30 ↗ during this process

41:31 ↗ um and make sure that this landis code

41:34 ↗ is

41:34 ↗ comprehensively addressing a whole

41:36 ↗ number of issues and things of

41:38 ↗ sustainability

41:39 ↗ um not just ones outlined in the goals

41:42 ↗ so thank you

41:49 ↗ next speaker that we have is ann

41:50 ↗ fletcher

41:54 ↗ and i am you are now a panelist

42:00 ↗ make sure

42:04 ↗ can you hear me yes

42:08 ↗ okay great thank you i'm ann fletcher

42:11 ↗ i'm an issaquah resident

42:13 ↗ and a people for climate action

42:16 ↗ member and we really appreciate the

42:19 ↗ community planning and developments

42:21 ↗ comprehensive presentation

42:23 ↗ about the title 18 update and we've been

42:26 ↗ waiting for this

42:27 ↗ and the links and the additional

42:29 ↗ documents in the packet

42:31 ↗ were very informative and the efforts to

42:34 ↗ involve relevant city departments

42:36 ↗ and the public are commendable

42:40 ↗ so people for climate action community

42:43 ↗ members

42:43 ↗ are who are concerned about climate

42:46 ↗ change

42:47 ↗ would like to see the city uh do

42:50 ↗ several things number one ensure that

42:54 ↗ its many policies

42:55 ↗ plans and regulations address

42:58 ↗ current climate change issues

43:02 ↗ and work together effectively to inform

43:06 ↗ and support

43:06 ↗ the title 18 update

43:11 ↗ number two clarify how the comprehensive

43:15 ↗ plan

43:16 ↗ has or will be reviewed

43:19 ↗ for current high quality climate

43:22 ↗ policies

43:24 ↗ and how that will drive climate-related

43:28 ↗ title 18 regulatory codes

43:32 ↗ number three review the strategic plan

43:37 ↗ to either include climate goals or at

43:40 ↗ least

43:40 ↗ reference other plans that address

43:42 ↗ climate

43:44 ↗ currently climate is absent

43:48 ↗ from the strategic plan

43:51 ↗ number four develop the climate action

43:55 ↗ plan

43:56 ↗ in conjunction with other plans that

43:58 ↗ affect

43:59 ↗ climate such as the mobility master plan

44:04 ↗ the sustainable building action strategy

44:07 ↗ the park's plan and etc

44:10 ↗ and ensure that this climate action plan

44:12 ↗ provides

44:13 ↗ the goals objectives measures

44:17 ↗ etc that are absent from the strategic

44:21 ↗ plan

44:22 ↗ and which are necessary to guide title

44:25 ↗ 18 code revisions

44:28 ↗ and last we like the city to fulfill its

44:31 ↗ commitment

44:33 ↗ to the county city goals to reduce

44:36 ↗ greenhouse gas emissions 50 percent by

44:38 ↗ 2030

44:41 ↗ to continue to strengthen collaboration

44:43 ↗ among the sustainability

44:45 ↗ and other relevant departments

44:48 ↗ and this will result in a more effective

44:52 ↗ comprehensive climate plan which can

44:55 ↗ then

44:56 ↗ be supported by title 18

44:59 ↗ code thank you

45:13 ↗ thank you ann um i don't have anyone

45:15 ↗ else signed up but if anyone would like

45:16 ↗ to speak if you could either press star

45:18 ↗ 3

45:19 ↗ on your phone or indicate that you would

45:21 ↗ like to speak by raising your hand

45:25 ↗ i see one but i will give it just a

45:27 ↗ minute to see if we have others

45:37 ↗ and i think if you're having trouble

45:38 ↗ indicating you can also send me a

45:40 ↗ message to the host

45:41 ↗ i think so we have connie marsh

45:45 ↗ connie i am going to make you a panelist

45:48 ↗ right now

45:50 ↗ hey you are a panelist

45:56 ↗ okay here i am so i'm connie marsh i

46:00 ↗ live on squawk

46:01 ↗ and i actually read the land use code

46:04 ↗ all the time um

46:08 ↗ and so i looked at this presentation

46:12 ↗ and and thought

46:16 ↗ one um

46:21 ↗ the gaps analysis does not

46:24 ↗ indicate that we are looking to see if

46:27 ↗ we actually have the

46:28 ↗ appropriate policies in place to build a

46:31 ↗ code from

46:32 ↗ so i would suggest that the the phrasing

46:36 ↗ for the gaps analysis

46:38 ↗ needs to actually address gaps

46:41 ↗ in our policies uh because our land use

46:45 ↗ code is

46:46 ↗ a bit behind it hasn't not our code our

46:49 ↗ land use element and our comprehensive

46:51 ↗ plan is behind

46:52 ↗ and our strategic plan is a focused

46:54 ↗ document

46:55 ↗ made to only do things for the next five

46:58 ↗ years

46:58 ↗ and so we are missing a large portion of

47:02 ↗ policies that to guide us into the

47:04 ↗ future and and

47:05 ↗ illustrated those in uh climate

47:08 ↗ action details but

47:11 ↗ we also need more in habitat

47:15 ↗ we need more in all sorts of different

47:17 ↗ places so

47:18 ↗ the problem with that is um

47:22 ↗ most of the committees and commissions

47:25 ↗ are not familiar

47:26 ↗ with the policies and what might be

47:29 ↗ missing

47:30 ↗ so i think what we need to do is have a

47:32 ↗ conversation

47:33 ↗ about what the community wants right

47:36 ↗ what is different

47:38 ↗ for that we want in the future and so

47:41 ↗ then

47:41 ↗ we can understand if what we have in our

47:44 ↗ policies

47:45 ↗ actually matches what the community

47:48 ↗ wants and that is missing

47:50 ↗ um we are we are pretending that we know

47:52 ↗ the answer to that question

47:54 ↗ and that our current comprehensive plan

47:56 ↗ actually

47:58 ↗ actually does it and our regional

48:00 ↗ guidance gets us where we want to go

48:02 ↗ but issaquah is a very narrow local

48:05 ↗ place

48:06 ↗ with specific goals so i would like to

48:09 ↗ see

48:10 ↗ all of these committees together

48:13 ↗ having those conversations per topic

48:16 ↗ on what is it that you all you

48:19 ↗ commissions

48:20 ↗ and the community see for transportation

48:23 ↗ and what does that actually mean um and

48:27 ↗ for the environment what does it mean

48:29 ↗ and that is the beginning of how to get

48:32 ↗ to an implementation that gets us all

48:34 ↗ where we want to

48:35 ↗ go so then

48:38 ↗ the next thing that i see is missing

48:41 ↗ most of this is education

48:43 ↗ uh very few people have gone through

48:46 ↗ years and years of watching the land use

48:49 ↗ code in action

48:50 ↗ so when you think of the land use code

48:52 ↗ you'd sort of get a

48:54 ↗ bit of a concept of okay there's a

48:57 ↗ process

48:58 ↗ and then stuff gets built and then

49:00 ↗ theory stuff should be protected

49:02 ↗ but how does that actually work so

49:06 ↗ i think all these commissions need to

49:08 ↗ actually go through

49:10 ↗ a project or maybe three mini projects

49:14 ↗ that have variety

49:15 ↗ a variety of concerns so you can get an

49:18 ↗ idea

49:19 ↗ of of what you're actually trying to

49:22 ↗ impact because the code is very narrow

49:26 ↗ and say for example i want to protect a

49:29 ↗ stream i have to make sure the

49:31 ↗ definition

49:33 ↗ of the stream is something that

49:37 ↗ will cover a water body with fish in it

49:40 ↗ and in our

49:40 ↗ current situation we've had a situation

49:43 ↗ where that's not the case right

49:45 ↗ and that is how detailed the code needs

49:47 ↗ to be

49:48 ↗ to be effective now i don't think any of

49:51 ↗ these groups are going to be able to

49:52 ↗ understand

49:53 ↗ all the details but i think it is super

49:55 ↗ important to understand

49:58 ↗ uh the flow and how important the

50:00 ↗ language

50:01 ↗ can be because it can impact a developer

50:04 ↗ and it would be this doesn't pencil so

50:07 ↗ i'm moving elsewhere to

50:08 ↗ yeah i can do it because i i can do

50:11 ↗ those things it's not going to cost me a

50:13 ↗ little

50:13 ↗ that much money yet we can get what we

50:16 ↗ want as a

50:17 ↗ community and that's what we're trying

50:19 ↗ to do is is get that nuance

50:21 ↗ but i am afraid of putting this

50:24 ↗ information out in front of a council

50:27 ↗ who frankly is

50:28 ↗ not that much more educated in the code

50:30 ↗ than all of the commission members

50:32 ↗ and then ask for your opinions with so

50:36 ↗ little education so i think you need

50:39 ↗ at least uh two

50:42 ↗ big meetings just on education

50:45 ↗ so that everybody can make much better

50:48 ↗ decisions and make decisions in context

50:51 ↗ uh so and and i could of course

50:55 ↗ i have opinions on all of the details

50:58 ↗ and i will agree with everyone i didn't

51:01 ↗ understand the schedule

51:02 ↗ i i i i don't i don't

51:06 ↗ it didn't make sense in its flow

51:09 ↗ as i picture it in my brain um

51:12 ↗ but hopefully i'm not saying you guys

51:15 ↗ don't know what you're doing right

51:16 ↗ i'm just saying it's super complicated

51:19 ↗ and

51:20 ↗ and it's um it's hard to understand

51:24 ↗ how you can even comment when you don't

51:26 ↗ have enough

51:27 ↗ information on board you should be able

51:30 ↗ to open your mouth right

51:32 ↗ so that's the place that i'm coming from

51:34 ↗ on all of this so

51:36 ↗ i hope that the city will reconsider and

51:39 ↗ back up

51:40 ↗ and do a little more of an education

51:42 ↗ program in advance

51:43 ↗ thank you

51:55 ↗ i do not have anyone else who has raised

51:58 ↗ their hand to speak but i'll ask one

51:59 ↗ more time if there's anyone who'd like

52:00 ↗ to speak please raise your hand

52:02 ↗ or press star three

52:07 ↗ is there anyone else

52:14 ↗ i don't see anyone

52:17 ↗ okay else you uh christian thank you for

52:19 ↗ all those who

52:20 ↗ have spoke um we will be coming back for

52:24 ↗ general public comment after uh ppc's

52:26 ↗ discussion here

52:28 ↗ and that will be for general business

52:31 ↗ moving forward

52:32 ↗ we're gonna close public comment at 7 24

52:35 ↗ and we will open this back up for ppc

52:38 ↗ discussion

52:39 ↗ and questions q a

52:49 ↗ if you have questions go ahead and put

52:51 ↗ them in chat

52:57 ↗ and jason has a question

53:02 ↗ thank you chair foul this is

53:03 ↗ commissioner voice so just so i'm clear

53:06 ↗ on

53:06 ↗ tonight's goals is apparently we're just

53:10 ↗ here to work through the mechanics

53:13 ↗ of the schedule and what it is that's

53:15 ↗ expected from us

53:16 ↗ it doesn't sound like we're here to

53:19 ↗ debate content which

53:20 ↗ is a shame or adjust

53:24 ↗ content it's basically we're just being

53:26 ↗ set up to be the

53:28 ↗ timer and day calendar for this process

53:31 ↗ moving forward

53:32 ↗ is that correct

53:37 ↗ um so not necessarily i mean we will do

53:41 ↗ the mechanics of

53:42 ↗ when things are going to be scheduled

53:43 ↗ and all that we just wanted your input

53:46 ↗ in terms of how much

53:49 ↗ um you know involvement

53:52 ↗ to just get a feedback this is the first

53:53 ↗ time the community seen how we want to

53:55 ↗ structure this over the next

53:57 ↗ year and a half so this is the initial

53:59 ↗ feedback that we're looking for at a

54:01 ↗ high level

54:02 ↗ not necessarily on this date on this day

54:04 ↗ time frame or anything like that

54:06 ↗ but more for are you okay with the

54:09 ↗ concept of doing

54:10 ↗ joint meetings with the other policy

54:12 ↗ boards and the five groupings that we've

54:14 ↗ come up with do you think that's

54:16 ↗ manageable for you because it's going to

54:18 ↗ involve a fair amount of reading

54:20 ↗ fair amount of you know understanding

54:21 ↗ the issues or uh

54:24 ↗ or not so so really at that level is

54:26 ↗ what we're hoping

54:27 ↗ um to get your initial buy-in by

54:30 ↗ you know or direction that no this is

54:32 ↗ not going to work and you know go figure

54:34 ↗ it out

54:35 ↗ so since i'm still on the commute thank

54:37 ↗ you director dallywall

54:39 ↗ is i'll just to continue um so i don't

54:42 ↗ think it's nearly

54:42 ↗ enough there is a lot to learn and again

54:45 ↗ this is a very brief summary and i

54:47 ↗ understand we need to start putting

54:48 ↗ stuff on the board as far as dates

54:50 ↗ and times and schedules but there's a

54:53 ↗ lot of education that has to happen this

54:54 ↗ is a big lift that's going to affect

54:56 ↗ everybody from residents to developers

55:00 ↗ you know everybody will be touched by

55:02 ↗ this and again i'm hoping that we'll be

55:04 ↗ able to put in a lot of our own

55:06 ↗ comments about the 13 goals and other

55:09 ↗ things

55:10 ↗ so i'm thinking there there needs to be

55:13 ↗ a lot more

55:14 ↗ runway for this to be successful i think

55:17 ↗ five meetings and joint meetings are

55:19 ↗ wonderful

55:21 ↗ but to try and have the meetings at the

55:23 ↗ same time that our decisions are being

55:24 ↗ made

55:25 ↗ you know there's going to be a lot of

55:27 ↗ crosstalk a lot of

55:29 ↗ commissions and committees seeing things

55:31 ↗ differently

55:32 ↗ need time to digest that need time to

55:35 ↗ refocus

55:36 ↗ but trying to make us trying to have us

55:39 ↗ not only do all of that work with joint

55:42 ↗ committees

55:43 ↗ and commissions and then make decisions

55:46 ↗ is setting up everybody for failure

55:50 ↗ you know there's a lot here and i

55:53 ↗ appreciate the part that we want to take

55:54 ↗ a piecemeal and i think that's the right

55:55 ↗ approach

55:57 ↗ but this needs to be a long runway and i

56:00 ↗ don't i don't even know if

56:01 ↗ if the time frame right now we're trying

56:03 ↗ to get this to adoption by

56:06 ↗ i think it was fall of 2022

56:09 ↗ june of 2022 so a year i don't know if

56:12 ↗ that's enough

56:13 ↗ especially with all the other things on

56:14 ↗ our plate that's very few touches

56:20 ↗ first comment

56:28 ↗ so we have i just before we go to

56:31 ↗ um a question from nina i just want to

56:35 ↗ reiterate

56:36 ↗ the three questions

56:39 ↗ that minnie gave us

56:43 ↗ and there are five major groupings and

56:46 ↗ sub groomings approach

56:47 ↗ appropriate to bring to ppc's review

56:50 ↗ should they be rearranged the second

56:54 ↗ question is should ppc meetings

56:56 ↗ on each of the groups be held jointly

56:58 ↗ with other boards

57:00 ↗ the current schedule shows one meeting

57:02 ↗ per group is it possible for ppc

57:04 ↗ to get briefed from staff hear the

57:06 ↗ public and then deliberate at the same

57:08 ↗ night

57:10 ↗ i think we know what that question is um

57:13 ↗ and then katie's questions was is the

57:16 ↗ right amount of involvement with ppc

57:18 ↗ in the code analysis stage

57:21 ↗ does ppc want less more or the same

57:25 ↗ amounts of engagement when the draft

57:28 ↗ code is is available

57:30 ↗ are there certain areas of the code

57:32 ↗ where ppc desires

57:33 ↗ greater level of involvement

57:37 ↗ are there additional joint hearings ppc

57:39 ↗ would like

57:40 ↗ beyond those identified in the proposed

57:43 ↗ schedule

57:44 ↗ does ppc support the proposed topic

57:47 ↗ groupings

57:48 ↗ as a helpful way to divide parts of the

57:51 ↗ code

57:52 ↗ into manageable subgroups

57:56 ↗ that's a lot a lot of questions there um

58:00 ↗ thank you jason you actually took a lot

58:03 ↗ of the words right out of my mouth so

58:05 ↗ good job uh okay question from nina

58:10 ↗ excuse me uh commissioner lewis had a

58:12 ↗ question before commissioner milligan

58:15 ↗ oh right uh

58:18 ↗ commissioner lewis sorry

58:21 ↗ no problem commissioner joy lewis here

58:23 ↗ um i love following that

58:25 ↗ because she makes my work easy because i

58:26 ↗ usually go what she said

58:28 ↗ uh but i will go first this time i'm

58:31 ↗ gonna take the floor for a minute

58:32 ↗ because i do have a couple questions and

58:34 ↗ i'm gonna address each one of minnie's

58:35 ↗ three questions

58:36 ↗ so i can hear from my fellow

58:38 ↗ commissioners i had a question earlier

58:40 ↗ that didn't get answered and that was

58:41 ↗ about the color code

58:42 ↗ right now uh we're using a dark green

58:46 ↗ a slightly lighter green and then orange

58:48 ↗ and blue it was told that dark green is

58:50 ↗ natural areas

58:51 ↗ and then orange and blue is a building

58:54 ↗ design

58:55 ↗ so what i would tell you first is the

58:57 ↗ way this is broken down

58:58 ↗ let's use a couple more colors might

59:00 ↗ help uh and it can a key that says hey

59:03 ↗ this is what this

59:04 ↗ color means um it's not making a lot of

59:06 ↗ sense to me the way it's broken down so

59:08 ↗ when you ask for feedback about

59:10 ↗ the public being able to view it i can't

59:12 ↗ do it right i saw this and went

59:14 ↗ why are these choices being made right

59:17 ↗ off the bat it's kind of a turn off so

59:19 ↗ um i don't know if we have a key or if

59:22 ↗ we have the ability to change the way

59:24 ↗ this is laid out but

59:25 ↗ it's not uh not pleasing to the eye um

59:29 ↗ right now we have five barrels that are

59:31 ↗ being broken down to

59:32 ↗ you're wondering um about the

59:34 ↗ arrangement i really leave that to staff

59:37 ↗ right you gave me a document of like 25

59:39 ↗ pages and a presentation

59:41 ↗ with the majority of that being about um

59:44 ↗ the ad hoc committee's goals which

59:45 ↗ you're not looking for feedback on

59:47 ↗ um so but then you gave me half of a

59:51 ↗ page

59:52 ↗ um regarding these five buckets i don't

59:54 ↗ know how big these are right i don't

59:55 ↗ know how big the document

59:56 ↗ dump you're gonna give me is so it's

59:58 ↗ hard for me to say this

1:00:00 ↗ we can do all in one um chunk when i

1:00:03 ↗ don't know how big

1:00:04 ↗ a piece of title 18 that is right so

1:00:07 ↗ i would need staff to come back to me

1:00:09 ↗ and say this is the amount

1:00:11 ↗ that you're going to be looking at right

1:00:13 ↗ now this is how much we have

1:00:14 ↗ we expect this to shrink we expect it to

1:00:16 ↗ get bigger right so for me to be able to

1:00:19 ↗ actually give you feedback on your five

1:00:20 ↗ buckets

1:00:21 ↗ i need a lot more data um that being

1:00:24 ↗ said

1:00:24 ↗ let's just assume that staff knows best

1:00:26 ↗ right and to say this is how we think it

1:00:28 ↗ makes sense

1:00:29 ↗ great i totally trust staff to do that

1:00:31 ↗ um

1:00:32 ↗ but the concept that we would look at it

1:00:35 ↗ on the same night as being able to give

1:00:37 ↗ our recommendations to council

1:00:39 ↗ is not something in my experience on

1:00:41 ↗ this commission that would be possible

1:00:43 ↗ at a minimum we're going to want two

1:00:45 ↗ touches so we're going to want to see a

1:00:46 ↗ draft

1:00:47 ↗ we're going to want to talk about it and

1:00:49 ↗ then the second time we're going to want

1:00:50 ↗ to see updates to that draft

1:00:52 ↗ from our previous discussion before we

1:00:54 ↗ can even be able to make a

1:00:55 ↗ recommendation

1:00:56 ↗ um that being said one of the primary

1:00:59 ↗ purposes

1:01:00 ↗ of our commission is to be able to give

1:01:02 ↗ the public the opportunity

1:01:04 ↗ to see and to voice their comments their

1:01:06 ↗ concerns their questions

1:01:08 ↗ so enabling the more touches we have on

1:01:10 ↗ it really is the more

1:01:12 ↗ chances that stakeholders in the

1:01:13 ↗ community has to be able

1:01:15 ↗ to touch this document um i have yet to

1:01:17 ↗ see anything from my staff

1:01:19 ↗ um that doesn't get better the more

1:01:21 ↗ people see it and the more touches and

1:01:23 ↗ the more work we have so i really

1:01:24 ↗ encourage

1:01:25 ↗ the maximum amount of touches that being

1:01:29 ↗ said

1:01:29 ↗ i am a huge fan of joint commissions i

1:01:33 ↗ think that the work that we do

1:01:34 ↗ when we work together is some of the

1:01:35 ↗ best stuff that we do so every chance

1:01:37 ↗ there is to have a joint commission

1:01:39 ↗ i recommend it so i don't think that

1:01:41 ↗ means that that needs to be a third

1:01:43 ↗ necessarily touch on the topic i think

1:01:45 ↗ that that first one can be done

1:01:47 ↗ looking at your five buckets you'll have

1:01:49 ↗ a recommendation for instance on natural

1:01:51 ↗ environment so we would have a pairing

1:01:52 ↗ with environmental board

1:01:54 ↗ parks board and let's say also dc

1:01:57 ↗ having all those commissions in one

1:02:00 ↗ cisco webex meeting invite is in my

1:02:03 ↗ opinion not how we're going to get our

1:02:04 ↗ best work done

1:02:05 ↗ so i would recommend two commissions at

1:02:07 ↗ most for a joint

1:02:08 ↗ session um that breaks it down to me for

1:02:11 ↗ seven

1:02:12 ↗ plus the five buckets for the meetings

1:02:13 ↗ you want us to advise on it

1:02:15 ↗ that's a minimum of 12 meetings to be

1:02:17 ↗ able to break down

1:02:19 ↗ the five buckets that you have from what

1:02:20 ↗ i'm seeing again i would need more data

1:02:22 ↗ to be able to save we need more or less

1:02:24 ↗ um i'm gonna echo the comments that uh

1:02:27 ↗ commissioner voice made and that um

1:02:29 ↗ our esteemed member of the community

1:02:31 ↗ connie marshmate about education i have

1:02:33 ↗ a point here about

1:02:34 ↗ how making decisions on context is

1:02:36 ↗ really important

1:02:38 ↗ so aside from even diving into the new

1:02:40 ↗ drafts of title 18

1:02:41 ↗ we really need to have a pretty hardcore

1:02:44 ↗ session

1:02:45 ↗ about what we have why it's not working

1:02:47 ↗ where we want to go

1:02:48 ↗ right so if you want to call that an

1:02:50 ↗ educational meeting

1:02:51 ↗ um but that needs to be kind of it's its

1:02:53 ↗ own bucket in my opinion

1:02:55 ↗ um from what we're seeing um

1:02:58 ↗ so on page i think it's what 13. for the

1:03:02 ↗ growth management it talks about citizen

1:03:03 ↗ participation

1:03:04 ↗ so i really want to encourage you when

1:03:07 ↗ you guys are thinking about this you

1:03:08 ↗ kind of put us

1:03:09 ↗ when you want ppc to be able to see

1:03:11 ↗ these things i want to see

1:03:13 ↗ how when i see it i want to see feedback

1:03:15 ↗ from my community right i want to go

1:03:17 ↗ into it

1:03:18 ↗ not having this is the first time

1:03:20 ↗ everyone's ever seen this draft right so

1:03:23 ↗ that means having more work sessions

1:03:25 ↗ that means having

1:03:27 ↗ more spaces for the public to be able to

1:03:29 ↗ view and touch

1:03:30 ↗ and give feedback before we're even

1:03:32 ↗ seeing a draft plan

1:03:33 ↗ um we love when we see things that say

1:03:35 ↗ hey we met with these members of the

1:03:37 ↗ community

1:03:38 ↗ there was 12 people there was 24 people

1:03:40 ↗ these are what the options they cared

1:03:41 ↗ about right

1:03:43 ↗ we want to see those responses before

1:03:45 ↗ we're even diving into

1:03:46 ↗ the preliminary drafts in my opinion um

1:03:50 ↗ so i hope that that helps kind of clear

1:03:52 ↗ up a little bit of our view on it thanks

1:03:58 ↗ thank you commissioner lewis and

1:04:00 ↗ commissioner

1:04:01 ↗ milligan thank you chair fall this is

1:04:05 ↗ commissioner milligan and

1:04:07 ↗ thank you commissioner lewis for going

1:04:09 ↗ before me making my job easy

1:04:12 ↗ i was just going to ask the question

1:04:13 ↗ about process but commissioner fall

1:04:16 ↗ thank you for jumping in

1:04:17 ↗ and reiterating the questions and

1:04:19 ↗ directing our

1:04:20 ↗ work as the commissioners before me set

1:04:24 ↗ the stage i'm going to go through my

1:04:26 ↗ laundry list but maybe after we've heard

1:04:28 ↗ as commissioner lewis mentioned the

1:04:30 ↗ other commissioners speak

1:04:32 ↗ maybe give us a chance to come back and

1:04:34 ↗ see if there's a way that we can reflect

1:04:35 ↗ upon

1:04:36 ↗ what one another have said my

1:04:39 ↗ first thing to say is uh thank you to

1:04:42 ↗ the public comment

1:04:43 ↗ uh the people who came tonight and

1:04:45 ↗ especially for the very thoughtful

1:04:46 ↗ emails that we received this week

1:04:49 ↗ uh we've received a good handful of them

1:04:50 ↗ and they were all very helpful and

1:04:52 ↗ informative so thank you to everybody

1:04:54 ↗ who did

1:04:54 ↗ send in an email i'm sure everybody read

1:04:57 ↗ them and then

1:04:58 ↗ and also thank you to commissioner lewis

1:05:00 ↗ plus one on every single single thing he

1:05:02 ↗ said

1:05:03 ↗ every single thing but i'm gonna go

1:05:05 ↗ through my own list

1:05:06 ↗ very briefly now since you elaborated

1:05:08 ↗ just to be more clear about

1:05:11 ↗ what i wanted to contribute one was

1:05:16 ↗ the schedule and

1:05:19 ↗ if you look at the last page in our

1:05:22 ↗ packet and we have

1:05:23 ↗ our work schedule all ready for the year

1:05:26 ↗ and then i look at the things that we're

1:05:28 ↗ going to do

1:05:28 ↗ with the title 18 i'm saying

1:05:32 ↗ wow that looks like a lot of work now

1:05:35 ↗ aware i agree

1:05:36 ↗ with what commissioner voice said um i

1:05:38 ↗ do that's too much work

1:05:40 ↗ um how are we going to do it all uh i

1:05:42 ↗ think that the title 18

1:05:44 ↗ jumps up above a lot of of uh priorities

1:05:48 ↗ in my mind

1:05:49 ↗ this is a matter of great importance

1:05:52 ↗ and i think it's a matter of urgency

1:05:55 ↗ because

1:05:56 ↗ development continues in issaquah and

1:05:58 ↗ the longer we leave that title 18

1:06:01 ↗ out there and it's in the condition that

1:06:03 ↗ it is now that is causing

1:06:05 ↗ um issues and problems with um staff and

1:06:08 ↗ developers

1:06:09 ↗ um the longer that um it will be that

1:06:11 ↗ way so i'd like to get it done sooner

1:06:12 ↗ rather than later

1:06:14 ↗ uh also to make a comment on

1:06:18 ↗ taking action the same night i agree

1:06:20 ↗ with both previous

1:06:21 ↗ commissioners i don't like trying to

1:06:24 ↗ make a decision in action

1:06:26 ↗ uh the night that i hear the first time

1:06:28 ↗ from the public for instance

1:06:30 ↗ made a little more time to digest that

1:06:31 ↗ and the new information

1:06:33 ↗ so i agree with the previous comments on

1:06:35 ↗ that

1:06:36 ↗ and another more specific question was

1:06:38 ↗ do we want to see the draft

1:06:40 ↗ well yeah we want to see the draft

1:06:43 ↗ of course we do and we need time after

1:06:45 ↗ seeing the draft

1:06:47 ↗ to work with it and to provide feedback

1:06:49 ↗ so these

1:06:50 ↗ the um the document preliminary what do

1:06:53 ↗ you think about these things preliminary

1:06:55 ↗ in sections

1:06:55 ↗ yes but then once we get to the draft

1:06:58 ↗ we're going to need it in sections

1:06:59 ↗ because it's a big

1:07:00 ↗ document uh the last thing that i want

1:07:03 ↗ to

1:07:04 ↗ say is it has to do with timing as well

1:07:07 ↗ because we're looking at an update or an

1:07:11 ↗ overhaul or all the different things

1:07:12 ↗ we've said about what we're doing

1:07:14 ↗ with title 18. there could be

1:07:17 ↗ significant changes in the code

1:07:20 ↗ say we take some language in the code

1:07:22 ↗ that says encourage this that or the

1:07:24 ↗ other thing

1:07:25 ↗ and we change it to now that should be

1:07:27 ↗ required in order to meet the objectives

1:07:29 ↗ of the city

1:07:31 ↗ how do we tee this up this is just an

1:07:34 ↗ open question how do we tee this up so

1:07:35 ↗ that we don't have

1:07:37 ↗ a flood of permit

1:07:40 ↗ applications to try to get ahead of a

1:07:43 ↗ new

1:07:44 ↗ um requirement that we want to put in

1:07:46 ↗ the code

1:07:47 ↗ um i don't know how we do that just want

1:07:49 ↗ to throw that out there as

1:07:51 ↗ an issue that i'd like to think about

1:07:54 ↗ in advance oh and the last thing

1:07:57 ↗ is uh the director dollywood can we have

1:08:00 ↗ a copy of your

1:08:01 ↗ presentation from tonight it just had a

1:08:03 ↗ little bit more information and shown in

1:08:05 ↗ a little different way

1:08:06 ↗ we'd like to see that after the meeting

1:08:08 ↗ thank you

1:08:14 ↗ thank you very much commissioner

1:08:16 ↗ milligan

1:08:17 ↗ and we have a question from

1:08:20 ↗ [Music]

1:08:22 ↗ it's kristin

1:08:26 ↗ matt monahan commissioner monahan go

1:08:28 ↗ ahead

1:08:29 ↗ thanks uh matt here i'm going to join

1:08:32 ↗ the course in agreeing with joy um i

1:08:34 ↗ like the concept of

1:08:35 ↗ two touches at a minimum and so i'm fine

1:08:38 ↗ having the first

1:08:39 ↗ kind of discussion education session in

1:08:41 ↗ the in the joint meetings because i

1:08:42 ↗ think multiple perspectives are good but

1:08:44 ↗ my recommendation would be when we're

1:08:46 ↗ actually making our recommendation we

1:08:47 ↗ just keep it

1:08:48 ↗ within this commission so that we can

1:08:50 ↗ really dig into the meat

1:08:52 ↗ because i imagine some of these are

1:08:53 ↗ going to be you know very very deep

1:08:55 ↗ dives

1:08:56 ↗ and then something joey also mentioned i

1:08:58 ↗ believe was about education

1:09:00 ↗ i like being educated but i think it can

1:09:02 ↗ probably be done in the context of the

1:09:03 ↗ changes that are being proposed

1:09:05 ↗ and so when we have that initial

1:09:07 ↗ conversation in the joint meetings

1:09:09 ↗ i think we can really drill down into

1:09:11 ↗ okay why was this change made what are

1:09:12 ↗ we trying to accomplish

1:09:14 ↗ have a discussion about it and then um

1:09:17 ↗ blade9 had just said

1:09:18 ↗ have some time to digest on that think

1:09:20 ↗ about it and then make specific

1:09:21 ↗ recommendations to the language

1:09:23 ↗ um based on all of that so that's all i

1:09:26 ↗ had

1:09:31 ↗ excellent thank you very much

1:09:32 ↗ commissioner monahan and so i also have

1:09:34 ↗ a question

1:09:36 ↗ um or actually more of a comment so

1:09:39 ↗ thank you very much

1:09:40 ↗ commissioner lewis and commissioner

1:09:42 ↗ milligan and commissioner voice

1:09:44 ↗ you guys just basically took everything

1:09:47 ↗ i want to say

1:09:49 ↗ and and said it well um and to also matt

1:09:52 ↗ monahan's

1:09:52 ↗ point as well um

1:09:56 ↗ to answer the question for number two

1:09:58 ↗ should ppc meetings on each of the

1:10:00 ↗ groups be held jointly with other boards

1:10:02 ↗ and i absolutely agree i believe the

1:10:05 ↗ various boards are

1:10:06 ↗ subject matter experts the development

1:10:08 ↗ commission the transportation commission

1:10:10 ↗ the parks board the environmental board

1:10:12 ↗ and to matt's point

1:10:14 ↗ is it possible to have the appropriate

1:10:16 ↗ boards do the deep dive

1:10:18 ↗ analysis after maybe two

1:10:23 ↗ heavy educational presentations

1:10:26 ↗ in a joint session and then that way we

1:10:29 ↗ can

1:10:29 ↗ discuss the topics and the findings from

1:10:32 ↗ the other

1:10:33 ↗ commissions so that we can leverage the

1:10:37 ↗ all of our information together instead

1:10:39 ↗ of trying to master

1:10:40 ↗ everything i think it's too much of an

1:10:44 ↗ ask for

1:10:44 ↗ ppc my opinion

1:10:48 ↗ um okay and that's my

1:10:52 ↗ question and then we have another

1:10:54 ↗ question here from

1:10:55 ↗ commissioner uh sarah bader

1:11:01 ↗ yeah thanks um really just i think a

1:11:04 ↗ comment

1:11:04 ↗ affirming everything i've heard so far i

1:11:06 ↗ think it's a little validating actually

1:11:08 ↗ to hear this conversation because

1:11:11 ↗ again being new to this commission i

1:11:12 ↗ looked at this and was like

1:11:14 ↗ did not know what to make of it um and

1:11:16 ↗ so hearing you all who are far more

1:11:18 ↗ experienced

1:11:19 ↗ than me kind of have similar reactions

1:11:22 ↗ to

1:11:22 ↗ feeling the need for more processing

1:11:23 ↗ time um it's validating inside which is

1:11:26 ↗ kind of second

1:11:27 ↗ i think everything that i've heard so

1:11:29 ↗ far um

1:11:30 ↗ far and also just kind of make the point

1:11:32 ↗ that i think if it's

1:11:33 ↗ confusing to us and i think um

1:11:35 ↗ commissioner lewis made this made this

1:11:37 ↗ point that

1:11:38 ↗ it's going to be confusing to to members

1:11:40 ↗ of the public and so as we think about

1:11:41 ↗ kind of meaningful

1:11:42 ↗ um engagement i think the way this

1:11:44 ↗ information is displayed

1:11:46 ↗ um and brought to um you know this

1:11:49 ↗ commission in the public more broadly is

1:11:50 ↗ going to be

1:11:51 ↗ really important to help us to get to

1:11:54 ↗ those most appropriate decisions

1:11:56 ↗ you know to for the best interest of the

1:11:58 ↗ community as a whole

1:12:00 ↗ um i also wanted to um

1:12:03 ↗ just kind of echo um the call out for

1:12:07 ↗ for education i appreciate commissioner

1:12:09 ↗ monahan's point about

1:12:10 ↗ kind of doing that within the context of

1:12:13 ↗ the

1:12:14 ↗ the changes proposed and the points for

1:12:16 ↗ discussion

1:12:17 ↗ um but again just hearing from the

1:12:20 ↗ emails that we got from community

1:12:21 ↗ members i think the feedback tonight was

1:12:23 ↗ also valuable and so i want to make sure

1:12:25 ↗ that we have time to

1:12:27 ↗ um just process um and so agree with the

1:12:30 ↗ two touch points for all this i think

1:12:32 ↗ time and spending kind of the

1:12:34 ↗ intentional

1:12:36 ↗ time on all of this is going to make it

1:12:38 ↗ better

1:12:39 ↗ better off um as a whole um

1:12:42 ↗ so i think that those are kind of my

1:12:43 ↗ points um i'm looking through my

1:12:46 ↗ notes from before i like the idea of

1:12:48 ↗ doing kind of joint

1:12:50 ↗ sessions again i think that you know not

1:12:52 ↗ doing this work in silos is important

1:12:53 ↗ and hearing from the expertise of other

1:12:56 ↗ commissions

1:12:57 ↗ and again i think it was a good

1:12:58 ↗ suggestion to think about kind of the

1:13:00 ↗ first touch being

1:13:01 ↗ in that joint setting and then

1:13:03 ↗ potentially doing kind of the deeper

1:13:04 ↗ dive and deliberation within this group

1:13:06 ↗ i like that

1:13:07 ↗ um as a suggestion um and then i guess

1:13:11 ↗ just a question i heard the the comments

1:13:13 ↗ about climate and so i wanted to see

1:13:14 ↗ where

1:13:15 ↗ um within these five groups climate is

1:13:18 ↗ included and is that

1:13:19 ↗ in the sustainability um

1:13:22 ↗ domain under natural environment or um

1:13:25 ↗ where is climate represented um in here

1:13:28 ↗ just as a question

1:13:31 ↗ yes um so this is mini dollywall um yes

1:13:34 ↗ that is

1:13:35 ↗ um captured in the sustainability golden

1:13:38 ↗ outcomes

1:13:39 ↗ uh piece um in the in the chart that

1:13:42 ↗ the council has come up with so uh it's

1:13:45 ↗ also referenced

1:13:46 ↗ you know there are things that are going

1:13:48 ↗ to come up with the climate action plan

1:13:50 ↗ that the city is working on so they'll

1:13:52 ↗ be you'll

1:13:53 ↗ you all will be having a more deeper

1:13:55 ↗ discussion on the climate action plan

1:13:57 ↗ come june and fall

1:14:00 ↗ so that will also be referenced in those

1:14:03 ↗ some of the more details

1:14:08 ↗ thank you very much minnie and thank you

1:14:10 ↗ very much commissioner bader

1:14:13 ↗ commissioner zorgoza would you like to

1:14:15 ↗ take the floor

1:14:18 ↗ thank you uh commissioner sarah goes to

1:14:19 ↗ here so um

1:14:21 ↗ i just want to first agree with

1:14:22 ↗ everything that everyone has said

1:14:24 ↗ um i need to make no comments on that um

1:14:29 ↗ i will i guess uh make louder

1:14:32 ↗ connie marsha's comments on education i

1:14:34 ↗ i do agree this is

1:14:36 ↗ very very deep stuff and the more

1:14:38 ↗ education the better

1:14:40 ↗ that said my question is what are the

1:14:42 ↗ ramifications of

1:14:44 ↗ essentially more than doubling the

1:14:46 ↗ amount of time that you've already

1:14:48 ↗ planned for this um so you planned i

1:14:51 ↗ can't remember how many meetings it was

1:14:52 ↗ but

1:14:53 ↗ we're talking about doubling that or

1:14:54 ↗ maybe even more than doubling

1:14:57 ↗ those numbers of meetings that's a very

1:14:59 ↗ long time that's going to set your

1:15:00 ↗ schedule back

1:15:01 ↗ much longer than a year and so many

1:15:04 ↗ months

1:15:05 ↗ and what are the ramifications of that

1:15:06 ↗ and that's something we should be

1:15:08 ↗ concerned about

1:15:10 ↗ thanks

1:15:21 ↗ and uh commissioner zorgos was that too

1:15:23 ↗ uh did you have a question to

1:15:26 ↗ um remember the staff or that was just a

1:15:29 ↗ general question

1:15:30 ↗ i think that was a question for for for

1:15:32 ↗ katie cole

1:15:33 ↗ co sorry thanks

1:15:36 ↗ um so i think

1:15:40 ↗ if we're i'm not exactly sure when i'm

1:15:42 ↗ hearing two touches

1:15:44 ↗ um right now the schedule as it's laid

1:15:47 ↗ out

1:15:47 ↗ has each topic coming

1:15:50 ↗ in this initial round for i guess it's

1:15:53 ↗ more of an educational and a gaps

1:15:55 ↗ analysis discussion and then

1:15:57 ↗ again when we're looking at the draft

1:16:00 ↗ code

1:16:00 ↗ um but i think what i'm hearing is that

1:16:03 ↗ in addition

1:16:04 ↗ in addition to this earlier round

1:16:07 ↗ two additional touches when the draft is

1:16:10 ↗ prepared

1:16:11 ↗ um is what the commission is asking for

1:16:14 ↗ so that would add

1:16:16 ↗ i think that would double the the

1:16:19 ↗ later meetings um

1:16:22 ↗ the council has set the deadline for

1:16:25 ↗ september

1:16:26 ↗ 2022 to have the code update complete

1:16:30 ↗ um and if if there is a significant

1:16:34 ↗ change to the

1:16:35 ↗ schedule we would need to have that

1:16:37 ↗ approved by the council

1:16:39 ↗ i think that you know the council is

1:16:42 ↗ obviously committed to doing this

1:16:44 ↗ right and so i'm not suggesting that

1:16:46 ↗ they wouldn't

1:16:47 ↗ extend the timeline but i'm not sure

1:16:51 ↗ if that timeline is connected to

1:16:53 ↗ anything else that the city's doing

1:16:56 ↗ that we would need to coordinate

1:16:59 ↗ but but the the schedule that we showed

1:17:02 ↗ you didn't

1:17:04 ↗ have um the later meetings shown in

1:17:07 ↗ in as much detail because we didn't yet

1:17:09 ↗ know how many and what dates and

1:17:11 ↗ um so as as we know more we can

1:17:15 ↗ certainly fill out that schedule with

1:17:17 ↗ more details

1:17:20 ↗ and and then try to figure out how to

1:17:22 ↗ fit those meetings into

1:17:24 ↗ the ppc schedule

1:17:30 ↗ but i do think that adding um

1:17:34 ↗ five more meetings or four more meetings

1:17:36 ↗ toward the end of the

1:17:38 ↗ drafting phase would would require us to

1:17:42 ↗ push out the adoption

1:17:43 ↗ timeline

1:17:48 ↗ thank you katie uh so i guess a

1:17:51 ↗ question for

1:17:55 ↗ staff would be can we ask

1:17:59 ↗ the council if we can extend it out

1:18:02 ↗ if it's reasonable because i the

1:18:04 ↗ commission's overall

1:18:06 ↗ hearing or the commission's overall

1:18:08 ↗ saying

1:18:09 ↗ we need more education before we can

1:18:12 ↗ really be

1:18:13 ↗ a point where we can be

1:18:17 ↗ making informed decisions and

1:18:21 ↗ i think we need to have other

1:18:23 ↗ commissions involved

1:18:24 ↗ and so i'm looking at our schedule and

1:18:27 ↗ we have a couple tbd's and i see some

1:18:29 ↗ things that are definitely lower

1:18:31 ↗ priority to

1:18:32 ↗ commissioner milligan's point uh

1:18:35 ↗ i think we should move stuff around and

1:18:38 ↗ address this uh

1:18:40 ↗ key topic more urgently than some of the

1:18:44 ↗ other things

1:18:45 ↗ and we need to ask the city's

1:18:48 ↗ council whether or not they're willing

1:18:50 ↗ to shift the

1:18:51 ↗ deadline and if it is something that's

1:18:53 ↗ movable

1:18:55 ↗ uh okay we have one other two other

1:18:58 ↗ questions here

1:18:59 ↗ uh question or comment from jason

1:19:02 ↗ commissioner voss

1:19:03 ↗ go ahead thank you commissioner voice

1:19:06 ↗ here

1:19:06 ↗ this is why i love this zoom room

1:19:09 ↗ it's the best so much good stuff

1:19:12 ↗ just came out of the last 20 minutes and

1:19:15 ↗ i'm in agreement with

1:19:16 ↗ i think everybody on this commission i

1:19:19 ↗ think commissioner monahan brought up a

1:19:20 ↗ great point

1:19:22 ↗ i think the joint meetings could be a

1:19:24 ↗ great place to get educated

1:19:26 ↗ and then also doing the deep dive by

1:19:28 ↗ ourselves where we're able to talk with

1:19:30 ↗ one another

1:19:30 ↗ is a point well taken i think we also

1:19:33 ↗ need to

1:19:34 ↗ in those educational background settings

1:19:36 ↗ with the other boards

1:19:37 ↗ is also kind of lean on them that we

1:19:39 ↗ have to be able to trust our other

1:19:40 ↗ boards and commissions and not try to

1:19:42 ↗ revisit their work

1:19:43 ↗ i know it's hard for all of us because

1:19:45 ↗ we all want to put our fingerprints

1:19:47 ↗ on everything we get because that's the

1:19:49 ↗ amount of care that we have

1:19:51 ↗ but with something this big we're going

1:19:53 ↗ to have to also be trusting

1:19:55 ↗ um to commissioner milligan's point i

1:19:57 ↗ think she hit it dead on

1:19:59 ↗ it is a priority we need to treat it

1:20:01 ↗ like that i think commissioner falls

1:20:03 ↗ correct we should be able to move things

1:20:06 ↗ around land use is one of the biggest if

1:20:08 ↗ not the biggest topic we touch here

1:20:11 ↗ and if it need if if that's the priority

1:20:13 ↗ and if this is a priority we need to

1:20:15 ↗ make it such

1:20:16 ↗ and we should ask council for more time

1:20:19 ↗ if needed

1:20:20 ↗ we can do things like have the joint

1:20:21 ↗ meetings and then have

1:20:23 ↗ our ppc meeting following up to make

1:20:25 ↗ decisions but i do stand by i

1:20:28 ↗ i don't see how anybody can make a

1:20:29 ↗ decision after a joint meeting there's

1:20:32 ↗ just too much to digest

1:20:33 ↗ so a lot of wonderful conversation that

1:20:36 ↗ i hear tonight i'm

1:20:37 ↗ in complete agreement with the rest of

1:20:38 ↗ the commissioners and um

1:20:41 ↗ yeah i think we're just we're gonna need

1:20:43 ↗ some time with this

1:20:45 ↗ and it is what it is but we've got to

1:20:46 ↗ get it right because there's so many

1:20:48 ↗ people this is going to affect

1:20:50 ↗ not only people that are interested in

1:20:52 ↗ the wonderful environment that we have

1:20:53 ↗ here

1:20:54 ↗ developers who we want to come in and do

1:20:56 ↗ a proper job here

1:20:58 ↗ this is going to touch everybody in our

1:20:59 ↗ city so it's very very important

1:21:02 ↗ at least here that we do our job right

1:21:05 ↗ and if it means asking for more time

1:21:07 ↗ more education so be it

1:21:12 ↗ thank you thank you commissioner voice

1:21:15 ↗ so to katie and minnie i think people

1:21:18 ↗ are really amped and excited about

1:21:20 ↗ looking at this thing

1:21:22 ↗ ready to dive into it uh we have one

1:21:24 ↗ more question here from

1:21:26 ↗ uh commissioner lewis or comment

1:21:30 ↗ commissioner joy lewis here um i'm going

1:21:32 ↗ to put on my granny glasses

1:21:34 ↗ as the uh current longest serving member

1:21:36 ↗ of this commission and tell you that

1:21:38 ↗ we can do this lift we had one year

1:21:41 ↗ where we joked about the fact that we

1:21:43 ↗ had just as many special meetings as we

1:21:45 ↗ did scheduled meetings

1:21:46 ↗ so um the idea that we need to push out

1:21:49 ↗ the current ask and schedule to me

1:21:51 ↗ i don't think we need to do that at all

1:21:53 ↗ i wouldn't even consider approaching

1:21:54 ↗ council to move that june

1:21:56 ↗ date um unless it was you know may of

1:21:58 ↗ 2022

1:21:59 ↗ okay like i don't think we're there at

1:22:01 ↗ all what i think we need to do is rework

1:22:03 ↗ our schedule in such a way that we say

1:22:05 ↗ this is a big this is a big year right

1:22:07 ↗ frankly it's been several years we've

1:22:09 ↗ been asking

1:22:10 ↗ for this from staff the pandemic delayed

1:22:12 ↗ our being able

1:22:13 ↗ to really look at this the way that we

1:22:14 ↗ were hoping to be able to

1:22:16 ↗ we're ready right so um adding the

1:22:19 ↗ additional meetings that we

1:22:20 ↗ so badly are all requesting just means

1:22:22 ↗ we have a more aggressive schedule

1:22:24 ↗ um what we would normally do is we would

1:22:26 ↗ come to staff and say

1:22:27 ↗ do you have the resources to be able to

1:22:29 ↗ do what we're asking you to do

1:22:30 ↗ luckily it looks like council has

1:22:32 ↗ approved a lot of money i haven't seen

1:22:34 ↗ transparency quite on how much but the

1:22:36 ↗ amount of consultants that we're

1:22:37 ↗ bringing in for this

1:22:38 ↗ means that i don't need to ask that

1:22:39 ↗ question right right now um

1:22:41 ↗ staff seems like they're ready to go and

1:22:43 ↗ so i just want to say that we are too i

1:22:44 ↗ don't think we need to push our schedule

1:22:46 ↗ i think we're just going to end up

1:22:47 ↗ finding that we're having a lot of

1:22:48 ↗ special meetings

1:22:49 ↗ maybe our fellow commissions have a

1:22:52 ↗ little bit of room on their schedule

1:22:53 ↗ and they would like to host us and

1:22:55 ↗ invite us to see topics for our some of

1:22:57 ↗ our joint meetings right there's a lot

1:22:59 ↗ of ways that you can work it out in the

1:23:00 ↗ schedule

1:23:01 ↗ but i would most certainly not ask to

1:23:04 ↗ move

1:23:05 ↗ our june 22 time frame it's extremely

1:23:08 ↗ important that we start diving into this

1:23:10 ↗ as soon as staff is ready to give it to

1:23:12 ↗ us

1:23:13 ↗ and i will say on a separate point you

1:23:15 ↗ know right now on page 16 we have a

1:23:17 ↗ section on sustainability

1:23:18 ↗ but we really need a section on ensuring

1:23:20 ↗ equity in our land use code

1:23:22 ↗ um i can't recall what meeting it was i

1:23:24 ↗ don't remember if it was the meeting

1:23:25 ↗ that we were on

1:23:26 ↗ that we had been invited to um with the

1:23:29 ↗ council

1:23:30 ↗ or whether it's the separate one that i

1:23:31 ↗ was viewing but the study administrator

1:23:33 ↗ said that it was going to take about two

1:23:35 ↗ years to educate

1:23:36 ↗ um just the city staff about equity

1:23:40 ↗ and i found that time frame to be pretty

1:23:42 ↗ rough right i don't know that that's

1:23:44 ↗ something that i'm going to agree with

1:23:46 ↗ but i will acknowledge that i heard that

1:23:47 ↗ time frame

1:23:48 ↗ um i think there's a need for staff to

1:23:50 ↗ actually plan on

1:23:52 ↗ an extra session that actually deals

1:23:54 ↗ with community education

1:23:56 ↗ along with how we're going to ensure

1:23:58 ↗ equity in our land use code

1:23:59 ↗ um which means calling out where it's

1:24:01 ↗ been wrong before and helping to educate

1:24:03 ↗ us to say

1:24:04 ↗ how did we make mistakes and how do we

1:24:06 ↗ actually want to address it so

1:24:07 ↗ i think that's something that's

1:24:08 ↗ important that is missing from this

1:24:10 ↗ document and it actually needs to be

1:24:12 ↗ built into

1:24:12 ↗ our schedule um to be dealt with thanks

1:24:20 ↗ thank you commissioner lewis i see

1:24:21 ↗ everybody smiling when you're

1:24:23 ↗ and you just said all that it's awesome

1:24:26 ↗ uh so i have a comment here from uh

1:24:30 ↗ trainer christian

1:24:33 ↗ hello um this is kristin leeson and i

1:24:35 ↗ just wanna i wanted to kind of reiterate

1:24:37 ↗ what joy said and that yes we've we've

1:24:39 ↗ been asked to do a lot before and we've

1:24:40 ↗ managed to do it

1:24:42 ↗ and there are a lot of tbd's on the

1:24:44 ↗ calendar but we've left them blank on

1:24:45 ↗ purpose

1:24:46 ↗ um because you know even today minnie

1:24:48 ↗ and katie and i were working together to

1:24:50 ↗ sort of rearrange some of the schedule

1:24:51 ↗ to see what could fit and where

1:24:54 ↗ so that we could get some of that

1:24:55 ↗ information out to you so you know even

1:24:57 ↗ on

1:24:58 ↗ in june we're combining the

1:25:00 ↗ comprehensive plan topics and we're

1:25:02 ↗ leaving one of those open on the 24th

1:25:03 ↗ instead for

1:25:04 ↗ a um i should let katie talk about it

1:25:07 ↗ but

1:25:08 ↗ i think land use and education on

1:25:11 ↗ policies and

1:25:12 ↗ gaps and so forth there so um we will be

1:25:15 ↗ filling the schedule

1:25:16 ↗ there will be lots of um special

1:25:18 ↗ meetings and it looks like we haven't

1:25:20 ↗ planned for that but we are

1:25:21 ↗ um we don't want to fill you up ahead of

1:25:23 ↗ time so that we make sure we have room

1:25:24 ↗ that's all thank you

1:25:27 ↗ the only thing i would add to that uh

1:25:29 ↗ kristen um this is minnie taliwal

1:25:32 ↗ you know this is the legislative uh

1:25:34 ↗ process so

1:25:36 ↗ we can meet with you one on one with at

1:25:38 ↗ least a couple of you at

1:25:40 ↗ one time if you really want to take a

1:25:42 ↗ deeper dive and

1:25:43 ↗ some some topics of your passion and you

1:25:45 ↗ really want to

1:25:46 ↗ get get to spend time at your

1:25:48 ↗ convenience

1:25:49 ↗ you know at a time that works for you

1:25:51 ↗ we'll make sure we we're

1:25:52 ↗ you know staff is available to to to

1:25:55 ↗ give you the

1:25:56 ↗ uh the the the understanding

1:25:59 ↗ or feeling comfortable making some of

1:26:01 ↗ those decisions um

1:26:03 ↗ uh for for city council so that's one

1:26:06 ↗ thing i want to say it's not just

1:26:07 ↗ you're not limited to that meeting at

1:26:10 ↗ that time

1:26:11 ↗ so for the educational piece or if you

1:26:13 ↗ want to you know

1:26:14 ↗ discuss any other topic please we're

1:26:17 ↗ happy to meet with you

1:26:18 ↗ separately in a group of obviously not

1:26:21 ↗ violating the open public meetings act

1:26:23 ↗ that you all got trained on last

1:26:25 ↗ month but there's no prohibition on

1:26:27 ↗ legislative uh

1:26:28 ↗ stuff to talk amongst yourselves and or

1:26:31 ↗ with staff outside of that one meeting

1:26:34 ↗ that the topic comes in front of you i

1:26:36 ↗ think the next um

1:26:38 ↗ order for for staff is we'll go back

1:26:40 ↗ with the feedback that we have from you

1:26:42 ↗ tonight we've heard from the community

1:26:44 ↗ and come up with a revised schedule that

1:26:46 ↗ that at least attempts to

1:26:48 ↗ to fold in some of the things we heard

1:26:50 ↗ tonight um

1:26:52 ↗ for the educational piece um you know

1:26:54 ↗ that again

1:26:55 ↗ we one of the attempts we were trying to

1:26:58 ↗ do tonight was to lay that framework so

1:27:00 ↗ so we understand you know here's some

1:27:02 ↗ some of the framework that

1:27:04 ↗ that you need to keep in mind so so that

1:27:06 ↗ was one

1:27:07 ↗ idea but but i think what i'm hearing is

1:27:09 ↗ the educational piece needs to be vetted

1:27:12 ↗ out a little bit so if you

1:27:13 ↗ have strong opinions on what we should

1:27:16 ↗ be covering is it more broader

1:27:18 ↗ concepts or is it really about by topic

1:27:21 ↗ i think what i heard was

1:27:23 ↗ education if if we sh we show you

1:27:26 ↗ say we're talking about parking i just

1:27:28 ↗ picking parking for

1:27:30 ↗ no reason but we we talk about what the

1:27:33 ↗ parking standards are

1:27:34 ↗ what the goals are and then we get a

1:27:37 ↗ deeper dive into it so

1:27:39 ↗ so i think an educational piece by topic

1:27:41 ↗ may

1:27:42 ↗ get you guys into the the details that

1:27:45 ↗ we need to get to

1:27:46 ↗ to get uh to title 18 code language

1:27:49 ↗ um but if we want to set up one meeting

1:27:52 ↗ just to talk about

1:27:54 ↗ the policies a little bit more and

1:27:56 ↗ discuss the gaps as some of the

1:27:58 ↗ community members were talking about we

1:28:00 ↗ can

1:28:01 ↗ do that in the june meeting if that's

1:28:03 ↗ desired

1:28:04 ↗ um and that won't be getting into the

1:28:06 ↗ the topics of

1:28:08 ↗ of the code but we can get to take a

1:28:11 ↗ little bit deeper dive into

1:28:12 ↗ the strategic plan the comprehensive

1:28:15 ↗ plan policies if you think that'll be

1:28:17 ↗ useful from an educational piece

1:28:28 ↗ thank you very much manny and i have a

1:28:34 ↗ set i don't see any more comments

1:28:36 ↗ kristin do you have any comments on your

1:28:38 ↗ screen

1:28:40 ↗ i do not okay

1:28:45 ↗ last call for comments or questions

1:28:50 ↗ excellent i got a question from

1:28:52 ↗ commissioner voice

1:28:55 ↗ thank you chair foul so i guess real

1:28:57 ↗ quickly i'm just interested to

1:28:58 ↗ hear um director dollywall just kind of

1:29:01 ↗ laid it out for us so i'm interested to

1:29:02 ↗ hear what the fellow commissioners would

1:29:04 ↗ like to hear

1:29:04 ↗ or see how to get this educational stuff

1:29:07 ↗ do we want to take it

1:29:08 ↗ issue by issue or would we prefer one

1:29:12 ↗ large meeting where we kind of hear um a

1:29:14 ↗ bit of overview

1:29:15 ↗ and a bit of um where we're going and

1:29:19 ↗ where we want to go and then we follow

1:29:20 ↗ it up with some tutoring lessons i guess

1:29:22 ↗ that's what i'm kind of interested

1:29:24 ↗ who wants to do what

1:29:28 ↗ i like taking them in sections but i

1:29:30 ↗ know that just

1:29:31 ↗ keeps pushing us out so again i know

1:29:34 ↗ it's a little bit compressed for time so

1:29:35 ↗ maybe it's just one meeting

1:29:37 ↗ where we just focus on exactly what the

1:29:40 ↗ goals are

1:29:41 ↗ what the gaps are and where we want to

1:29:43 ↗ go

1:29:44 ↗ you know we can have a all-nighter

1:29:46 ↗ somebody bring the pizza

1:29:49 ↗ virtual pizza

1:29:52 ↗ so uh question for jason

1:29:56 ↗ is if we have a

1:30:00 ↗ a meeting a general education meeting

1:30:03 ↗ then we could say

1:30:07 ↗ after the meeting break up into

1:30:11 ↗ groups of three

1:30:14 ↗ and then meet offline with

1:30:17 ↗ um katie or minnie or

1:30:20 ↗ the other appropriate staff and become

1:30:23 ↗ subject matter experts

1:30:25 ↗ sort of in those specific topics so that

1:30:30 ↗ we break off into our own passions and

1:30:32 ↗ then we can bring it back to ppc

1:30:37 ↗ i think lucy has a question like

1:30:40 ↗ she's kind of raising her hand nope okay

1:30:42 ↗ she's just nodding

1:30:48 ↗ and we have a comment from commissioner

1:30:50 ↗ milligan

1:30:52 ↗ oh hang on sorry i got a comment for

1:30:56 ↗ a question from commissioner lewis first

1:31:00 ↗ thank you chair this is commissioner joy

1:31:01 ↗ lewis and i wanted uh

1:31:03 ↗ to to piggyback on uh jason wanting to

1:31:06 ↗ actually answer minnie's question which

1:31:08 ↗ which is you know what we're here to do

1:31:09 ↗ so i appreciate you starting that

1:31:12 ↗ um and that is to say that i think we

1:31:13 ↗ can do both right um matt

1:31:16 ↗ said you know i think we can have an

1:31:17 ↗ educational piece it's a part of each

1:31:19 ↗ section when we break it up right so i

1:31:21 ↗ had emailed kristen

1:31:23 ↗ um earlier about kind of how i

1:31:26 ↗ uh preference that i would like to see

1:31:28 ↗ when we get our packets right when we

1:31:29 ↗ start to get

1:31:30 ↗ background we start to get things i love

1:31:32 ↗ when our packet has

1:31:34 ↗ a really big meaty section prior to even

1:31:36 ↗ looking at the draft right i want

1:31:38 ↗ background i want links

1:31:39 ↗ um hey you know i love when staff does

1:31:42 ↗ my dirty work and it's like check out

1:31:44 ↗ this council session

1:31:45 ↗ and if you want to buzz forward this is

1:31:46 ↗ the time that you're gonna want right

1:31:48 ↗ you know so

1:31:48 ↗ um i think i think we can do both right

1:31:50 ↗ i think that we can to um

1:31:52 ↗ to matt's point i think that we can have

1:31:54 ↗ each section as we

1:31:55 ↗ look at the draft be able to go into

1:31:57 ↗ that deep dive like minnie was saying

1:31:58 ↗ about

1:31:59 ↗ what are the current parking

1:32:00 ↗ requirements where where are we trying

1:32:01 ↗ to go

1:32:02 ↗ from where we've been um as part of that

1:32:05 ↗ meeting but i think that we can also

1:32:06 ↗ have a separate

1:32:07 ↗ meeting where we do talk about the comp

1:32:09 ↗ plan um strategic plan to and to say

1:32:13 ↗ what does this mean right um and to say

1:32:16 ↗ where where is it that

1:32:17 ↗ we can go right and enabling us to be

1:32:19 ↗ able to say

1:32:20 ↗ um where are we empowered to use these

1:32:23 ↗ broad policy documents to really make it

1:32:25 ↗ into our code right so i think that

1:32:27 ↗ we can we can to timing's question i

1:32:29 ↗ think we can have both

1:32:30 ↗ um as far as that goes so i don't think

1:32:33 ↗ it has to be an either or and i don't

1:32:34 ↗ think we need to start using up time to

1:32:36 ↗ have just

1:32:37 ↗ a history lesson in one um and i think

1:32:40 ↗ that uh

1:32:41 ↗ staff is generously providing their time

1:32:43 ↗ to us and so um

1:32:45 ↗ i while i do love that idea i think that

1:32:47 ↗ it needs to be a component of where

1:32:48 ↗ we're going

1:32:49 ↗ connie had a really interesting point

1:32:51 ↗ about giving a project example right

1:32:54 ↗ so if we did um one meeting that was all

1:32:57 ↗ about going through the comp co

1:32:59 ↗ you know plan the strategic plan and

1:33:01 ↗ saying what are our policies

1:33:03 ↗ where are the gaps what are we missing

1:33:04 ↗ how can we translate this

1:33:06 ↗ into our code and being able to actually

1:33:09 ↗ have an example

1:33:10 ↗ of a project moving through um where

1:33:12 ↗ have we had hiccups what are we trying

1:33:14 ↗ to solve right i think that's an

1:33:15 ↗ interesting idea giving real world

1:33:17 ↗ experiences

1:33:18 ↗ while we're approaching the policy

1:33:20 ↗ choice um so

1:33:21 ↗ that's just kind of my take on it thanks

1:33:23 ↗ everybody

1:33:29 ↗ excellent thank you very much

1:33:30 ↗ commissioner lewis and

1:33:33 ↗ comment from commissioner milligan

1:33:36 ↗ thank you chair fall and thank you

1:33:38 ↗ commissioner voice for the question

1:33:40 ↗ i think that you're also rephrasing

1:33:44 ↗ the question are the five major

1:33:45 ↗ groupings and subgroupings appropriate

1:33:48 ↗ for our review i think that's part of

1:33:51 ↗ what we're asking here and i just want

1:33:54 ↗ to say that those

1:33:55 ↗ groupings as i see them listed on page

1:33:57 ↗ 23 of the packet

1:33:59 ↗ made sense to me and i think that those

1:34:01 ↗ are

1:34:02 ↗ groupings that are doable just with the

1:34:05 ↗ caveat that

1:34:07 ↗ these things are groupings not silos

1:34:10 ↗ which

1:34:11 ↗ make it kind of difficult to to pull

1:34:13 ↗ them apart and

1:34:15 ↗ deal with them that way so i just want

1:34:16 ↗ to keep in mind context and the health

1:34:18 ↗ staff can provide

1:34:20 ↗ to help keeping them in context would be

1:34:23 ↗ very

1:34:23 ↗ helpful thank you

1:34:38 ↗ ron you're muted oh sorry i'm talking to

1:34:42 ↗ myself again

1:34:44 ↗ i don't see any more comments or

1:34:46 ↗ questions from uh

1:34:47 ↗ any commissioners yet so just give it a

1:34:50 ↗ couple seconds here

1:34:51 ↗ in case anyone decides to ask a question

1:34:58 ↗ all right i do not so

1:35:02 ↗ uh with this said i think

1:35:05 ↗ move to the next phase of our meeting

1:35:08 ↗ tonight

1:35:10 ↗ and that is for reports is that correct

1:35:12 ↗ kristen

1:35:14 ↗ that is correct and this is kristin

1:35:16 ↗ leeson senior planner and i will

1:35:19 ↗ start this but i am going to have either

1:35:22 ↗ lucy or minnie finish this

1:35:24 ↗ um but at the last council study session

1:35:27 ↗ the sign code was taken

1:35:28 ↗ and the council has actually

1:35:32 ↗ remanded the sign code back and

1:35:35 ↗ would like some um revisions to it as a

1:35:39 ↗ part of the title 18 update and i think

1:35:41 ↗ lucy or

1:35:42 ↗ minnie could be a little clearer on that

1:35:46 ↗ so um i uh

1:35:50 ↗ they remanded it not to you

1:35:54 ↗ but to the council ad hoc committee

1:35:56 ↗ that's working on title 18

1:35:59 ↗ um they are looking at

1:36:03 ↗ um further reformatting

1:36:07 ↗ and reorganization to streamline

1:36:10 ↗ streamline it so for instance taking

1:36:13 ↗ definitions and in you know where you

1:36:16 ↗ have a section of code on projection

1:36:18 ↗ signs

1:36:20 ↗ integrating the definition into that

1:36:22 ↗ section

1:36:23 ↗ making that section a chart

1:36:27 ↗ and being less text

1:36:30 ↗ oriented and more visually oriented

1:36:34 ↗ maybe

1:36:35 ↗ incorporating more graphics there is

1:36:38 ↗ also a desire

1:36:39 ↗ to i'm going to use the word

1:36:42 ↗ explore because i'm not sure that

1:36:46 ↗ there is consensus exact on exactly what

1:36:48 ↗ this means but to be less prescriptive

1:36:51 ↗ i think the council found that there

1:36:53 ↗ were things that we were

1:36:54 ↗ have historically regulated

1:36:58 ↗ that may not be necessary to regulate

1:37:02 ↗ and that would allow us to focus

1:37:04 ↗ better on the things that we are

1:37:08 ↗ regulating

1:37:09 ↗ um and to the point that some of you

1:37:12 ↗ commissioners made this evening

1:37:14 ↗ i think maybe it was commissioner

1:37:16 ↗ milligan

1:37:18 ↗ why are we regulating this um so

1:37:21 ↗ to ask ourselves about what are we

1:37:23 ↗ trying to do

1:37:25 ↗ um what do we want to accomplish and i

1:37:27 ↗ think that will help

1:37:29 ↗ them decide whether um some of the

1:37:31 ↗ things that we proposed

1:37:33 ↗ achieve that or not or if those are the

1:37:35 ↗ right goals

1:37:36 ↗ um and and i think lastly what i would

1:37:39 ↗ say before i hope

1:37:40 ↗ um director baliwal chimes in with her

1:37:45 ↗ perspective is um

1:37:49 ↗ that i completely forgot what i was

1:37:51 ↗ going to say so thank you

1:37:56 ↗ all right thank you very much uh uh lucy

1:37:59 ↗ and oh i i'm sorry now i remember i

1:38:02 ↗ think i think the last piece is

1:38:04 ↗ this will be really interesting to see

1:38:05 ↗ what we learn that then carries forward

1:38:07 ↗ to title 18.

1:38:09 ↗ um you know i think we all started with

1:38:11 ↗ this gap analysis

1:38:14 ↗ um and bringing all the pieces of the

1:38:17 ↗ code together

1:38:18 ↗ and fixing the legal problems and

1:38:21 ↗ opportunities

1:38:22 ↗ but clearly they're you know the

1:38:25 ↗ commission

1:38:25 ↗ and the council have some additional

1:38:28 ↗ goals and i think that the sign code

1:38:30 ↗ has helped us identify what some of

1:38:34 ↗ those mean

1:38:35 ↗ some of those are captured in the goals

1:38:38 ↗ and outcomes chart

1:38:40 ↗ for instance in that sort of number 13

1:38:43 ↗ or 14 the very last one that talks about

1:38:45 ↗ you know modernizing and streamlining it

1:38:48 ↗ you know one person's modernization is

1:38:51 ↗ i'm so 20th century to someone else and

1:38:54 ↗ so

1:38:55 ↗ um seeing this in in real life um

1:38:58 ↗ it has for me been very um informative

1:39:01 ↗ to understand what that might look like

1:39:04 ↗ thank you thank you very much lucy

1:39:08 ↗ uh kristin any more uh additional

1:39:10 ↗ comments or

1:39:11 ↗ questions about reports i have no other

1:39:14 ↗ reports

1:39:15 ↗ excellent okay so we are going to

1:39:18 ↗ go back to public comments and open

1:39:22 ↗ general public comments at 8 11.

1:39:26 ↗ do we have anybody who wants to speak

1:39:29 ↗ don't see any hands raised mike bailey

1:39:32 ↗ would like to speak please

1:39:36 ↗ mike bailey uh yes go ahead

1:39:40 ↗ hi i'm mike bailey i'm a resident of

1:39:42 ↗ sequoia and also uh

1:39:44 ↗ do some development i kind of missed the

1:39:46 ↗ whole

1:39:47 ↗ deal on this meeting but since i

1:39:49 ↗ listened to the whole thing i like to

1:39:50 ↗ just get my two bids on a specific

1:39:52 ↗ portion of the code which is the old

1:39:54 ↗ town parking provisions

1:39:56 ↗ uh there was a about a year a year and a

1:39:59 ↗ half ago there was talk about maybe

1:40:01 ↗ adding the you're going to do a change

1:40:03 ↗ of use that it would not

1:40:05 ↗ provide any it wouldn't change the

1:40:07 ↗ parking requirement for an existing use

1:40:08 ↗ of you to change use in the old town

1:40:11 ↗ and right now that's only working on if

1:40:14 ↗ you're along east sunset way but they

1:40:15 ↗ were thinking about

1:40:16 ↗ making that a blanket for the whole old

1:40:18 ↗ town area is that

1:40:19 ↗ going to be coming up or is it still

1:40:21 ↗ going to be kicking down the road or

1:40:23 ↗ any thoughts about that

1:40:33 ↗ this is this is not this is not a back

1:40:35 ↗ and forth but if you'd like me to

1:40:36 ↗ address that i could

1:40:38 ↗ uh kristen if you feel comfortable in

1:40:40 ↗ addressing it uh

1:40:41 ↗ the floor is yours

1:40:44 ↗ yes so the code was amended uh in 2018

1:40:48 ↗ 29 no you're right it was last year it

1:40:50 ↗ was approved last year in 2020

1:40:52 ↗ um to expand the area where

1:40:56 ↗ expansions of existing businesses and

1:40:59 ↗ editions of buildings did not require

1:41:03 ↗ zone uh additional parking if it was

1:41:05 ↗ within a certain amount

1:41:06 ↗ there's a map there's a map in our land

1:41:08 ↗ use code that

1:41:10 ↗ shows where that area is that was

1:41:11 ↗ expanded however it was not

1:41:13 ↗ there was no discussion about expanding

1:41:14 ↗ that beyond where it currently exists

1:41:16 ↗ so that will not be coming forward again

1:41:19 ↗ okay

1:41:20 ↗ i was but at one time it was going to be

1:41:22 ↗ a blanket over the whole

1:41:24 ↗ old town wasn't it no no

1:41:27 ↗ no okay that was my understanding from

1:41:30 ↗ before so

1:41:31 ↗ the only the only areas in old town are

1:41:33 ↗ just along sunset way

1:41:35 ↗ and that's it on east sunset way no it's

1:41:38 ↗ it's

1:41:38 ↗ it's on um sunset way and front street

1:41:41 ↗ and then it goes um east and west a

1:41:44 ↗ little bit of front street there is a

1:41:45 ↗ map in our code

1:41:46 ↗ and if you'd like to follow me i can

1:41:48 ↗ send you the link to that place in the

1:41:50 ↗ code

1:41:50 ↗ okay thank you very much i appreciate

1:41:52 ↗ that i'll send that out to you

1:41:55 ↗ thank you very much it was enjoyable

1:41:56 ↗ listening to all you guys out there

1:41:58 ↗ thank you for your comment and uh

1:42:02 ↗ kristin do we have any additional public

1:42:04 ↗ comments

1:42:08 ↗ yes we do um i'm going to start with

1:42:13 ↗ and fletcher

1:42:21 ↗ all right and you are a panelist

1:42:28 ↗ ahead and speak

1:42:36 ↗ you are muted can you

1:42:39 ↗ let me let me

1:42:42 ↗ okay there you go oh thank you thanks

1:42:44 ↗ for unmuting me

1:42:47 ↗ um i just wanted to thank you all

1:42:50 ↗ and uh in particularly i just want to

1:42:53 ↗ let you know i'm very

1:42:54 ↗ heartened by the discussion here and

1:42:57 ↗ uh that i agree that we don't need to

1:43:00 ↗ take longer on this but i think the

1:43:02 ↗ ideas that you came up with

1:43:04 ↗ um to be creative on how we can get

1:43:07 ↗ input during this year

1:43:09 ↗ and the idea of surveys and focus groups

1:43:13 ↗ in addition to the meetings uh the ideas

1:43:16 ↗ of having the joint meetings

1:43:18 ↗ and the ideas of breaking into smaller

1:43:20 ↗ groups and

1:43:21 ↗ the staff invitation to have

1:43:25 ↗ people that want to do a deeper dive be

1:43:27 ↗ able to do that there's so many great

1:43:29 ↗ ideas here and i just

1:43:31 ↗ really want to thank you i feel very

1:43:33 ↗ heartened about this process

1:43:34 ↗ and the climate group is

1:43:39 ↗ ready to delve into this and work hard

1:43:41 ↗ with you to learn

1:43:42 ↗ and to do our best for our community so

1:43:45 ↗ thank you

1:43:48 ↗ thank you very much miss fletcher and we

1:43:51 ↗ will probably see

1:43:52 ↗ lots of you

1:43:56 ↗ so i see that um connie marsh still has

1:43:59 ↗ her hand raised

1:44:00 ↗ and let me see honey would you like to

1:44:04 ↗ speak

1:44:06 ↗ yes i also i sent you a a message too

1:44:09 ↗ saying i wanted to speak because i kept

1:44:11 ↗ raising and lowering my hand

1:44:12 ↗ i see that now all right i'll make you a

1:44:14 ↗ presenter one second

1:44:17 ↗ you're being lost okay you're a panelist

1:44:20 ↗ okay so i'll videoize myself

1:44:23 ↗ there you go um so

1:44:28 ↗ this is connie marsh again and uh i

1:44:31 ↗ agree with ann i think you guys are

1:44:36 ↗ had a great conversation now

1:44:39 ↗ this is for you and

1:44:42 ↗ for staff to

1:44:46 ↗ the other commissions with the exception

1:44:49 ↗ of development commission

1:44:51 ↗ um who is somewhat more familiar with

1:44:55 ↗ code

1:44:56 ↗ but they actually just get staff

1:44:59 ↗ presentations

1:45:00 ↗ and so they have a certain assumption

1:45:02 ↗ that staff is providing the appropriate

1:45:05 ↗ code

1:45:05 ↗ they actually uh have a few ideas of

1:45:09 ↗ where the issues are

1:45:10 ↗ but for example the environmental board

1:45:13 ↗ the transportation

1:45:14 ↗ board the

1:45:18 ↗ economic vitality commission

1:45:21 ↗ they know just as little about the code

1:45:24 ↗ as you all do and

1:45:27 ↗ um not that much more about policy

1:45:30 ↗ so they are going to need an equal

1:45:33 ↗ amount of

1:45:34 ↗ education if you want them to be the

1:45:36 ↗ subject matter

1:45:37 ↗ experts because you keep saying you're

1:45:39 ↗ going to lean upon them

1:45:41 ↗ and while they are stronger in the

1:45:44 ↗ opinions that they have formed on

1:45:47 ↗ certain topics

1:45:48 ↗ that does not give them the

1:45:52 ↗ the education to guide

1:45:55 ↗ code creation without some work

1:45:58 ↗ so i'm wondering if there is not

1:46:03 ↗ videos that can be made or something

1:46:06 ↗ where people can go and

1:46:08 ↗ have learning modules on topics

1:46:11 ↗ at their own time so staff

1:46:15 ↗ isn't always having to present the exact

1:46:17 ↗ same information

1:46:18 ↗ over and over and then you could have

1:46:20 ↗ question and the answers back and forth

1:46:22 ↗ it could be

1:46:23 ↗ could become frequently asked questions

1:46:26 ↗ from the presentations

1:46:27 ↗ because it just sounds like a heck of a

1:46:29 ↗ lot of work for staff

1:46:31 ↗ that could be education in a can

1:46:34 ↗ so i just wanted to my efficiency brain

1:46:37 ↗ started sort of swirling around in in

1:46:40 ↗ all of that

1:46:41 ↗ um and i don't know if that's a helpful

1:46:43 ↗ idea or not but

1:46:45 ↗ thank you for all your effort and and

1:46:47 ↗ staff

1:46:48 ↗ i know you're gonna work like crazy and

1:46:50 ↗ i'm gonna

1:46:52 ↗ i'm gonna work you as hard as i possibly

1:46:54 ↗ can to get a great

1:46:56 ↗ code so you know thank you all

1:47:03 ↗ thanks connie it's great

1:47:09 ↗ and kristen do we have any additional uh

1:47:12 ↗ comments from the public

1:47:13 ↗ i don't see any other hands raised but i

1:47:15 ↗ will sit out there one more time if

1:47:17 ↗ anybody would like to speak

1:47:18 ↗ please raise your hand or send me a note

1:47:21 ↗ i'll try and see it this time

1:47:27 ↗ one more call

1:47:34 ↗ no there are no more comments or

1:47:35 ↗ questions all right thanks kristin so

1:47:38 ↗ we're going to go ahead and close

1:47:39 ↗ public comment at 8 20.

1:47:42 ↗ and now we're going to move on to other

1:47:44 ↗ business and announcements

1:47:47 ↗ specifically the upcoming schedule which

1:47:49 ↗ we

1:47:51 ↗ were talking about earlier kristin

1:47:54 ↗ hi this is kristen lisa and you're right

1:47:56 ↗ we did talk about it earlier um today we

1:47:59 ↗ decided to take the

1:48:00 ↗ community facilities redesignation and

1:48:03 ↗ rezone requests and

1:48:04 ↗ merge those with the old town

1:48:07 ↗ implementation so we're going to do that

1:48:08 ↗ on june 10th

1:48:10 ↗ and then on june 24th we are going to

1:48:12 ↗ talk about

1:48:13 ↗ um we're doing an education on land use

1:48:16 ↗ and look a little bit more closely at

1:48:17 ↗ that

1:48:19 ↗ um and then we will start filling in the

1:48:22 ↗ tbd's

1:48:23 ↗ with lots of title 18 updates for you

1:48:27 ↗ um i will try and combine the

1:48:29 ↗ comprehensive plan amendments this year

1:48:32 ↗ aside from the climate change policies

1:48:33 ↗ are not super intensive so i

1:48:35 ↗ will see what i can do to combine some

1:48:37 ↗ of those a little bit more

1:48:40 ↗ that's all i have all right

1:48:43 ↗ with that we are going to adjourn the

1:48:46 ↗ meeting at 8

1:48:58 ↗ 20.

1:49:01 ↗ you

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Council / Members (9)

Administration/Staff: Ron Faul

Christen Leeson

Senior Planner Jason Voiss

Minnie Dhaliwal

CP&D Director Sarah Bader Katie Cote

BHC

Planning Consultant Joy Lewis Lucy Sloman

Land Dev. Manager Nina Milligan Matt Monahan Richard Zaragoza

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