Park Board · Monday, May 4, 2026 · City Council Digest

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Minutes of March 23rd, 2026

packet pp.3–9

Previously discussed: Park Board · Apr 27, 2026

Open packet at p.3 ↗

Staff report:

APPROVAL OF MINUTES a) 03-23-26 Park Board Minutes Page [0000] CITY OF ISSAQUAH Park Board 7:00 PM Tibbetts Manor, 750 17th Ave March 23, 2026 MINUTES NW, Issaquah

4. REGULAR BUSINESS

Park Bond Renewal Update

Information / Discussion · Jeff Watling, Director of Parks · packet pp.11–28

Topics: Parks

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Staff report:

REGULAR BUSINESS a) JEFF WATLING, PARKS AND COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR

Election of Chair and Vice Chair

Topics: Elections

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5. REPORTS

Director's Report

Chairperson's Report

Youth Advisory Report

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0:09 ↗ Did you take the zip tie off there?

0:24 ↗ Let's

0:32 ↗ turn that camera off.

0:43 ↗ >> Hello everyone. Can you hear us from

0:45 ↗ Tibbitz?

0:47 ↗ >> Hey Jeff, hear you loud and clear.

0:49 ↗ >> Great. Thanks Jeff.

1:21 ↗ humanity.

1:22 ↗ But we use the

1:24 ↗ fluid.

1:30 ↗ >> So active.

1:34 ↗ >> Had no idea.

1:42 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah.

1:49 ↗ >> Oh my gosh.

1:51 ↗ I think I was

1:55 ↗ >> the only thing I remember

2:08 ↗ >> and then right here.

2:13 ↗ >> Oh, yeah.

2:17 ↗ >> Interesting. I lived on Mount

2:25 ↗ I can show so we won't be able to show

2:27 ↗ the presentation.

2:30 ↗ >> Okay. Apologies everyone. It looks like

2:32 ↗ the Tibbitz Manor camera is not working.

2:36 ↗ So those that are watching, you should

2:38 ↗ be able to see our lovely faces here.

2:41 ↗ But uh we're here. Um

2:45 ↗ um as I share the presentation, I'll do

2:47 ↗ that through my laptop. So, we'll just

2:49 ↗ confirm uh those that are um virtual can

2:53 ↗ uh can see that as well.

2:58 ↗ >> Take it away.

2:59 ↗ >> Yeah. Um

3:02 ↗ it is 7:02

3:05 ↗ and as chair on this May 4th

3:09 ↗ uh meeting of this park board, let's

3:12 ↗ call it to order.

3:14 ↗ Uh we'll take a little roll call. like

3:16 ↗ to start online just so I can keep my

3:17 ↗ tally along here. Diana Ren.

3:24 ↗ >> Hi, I'm here. I just couldn't find the

3:26 ↗ unmute button.

3:27 ↗ >> Perfect. Thank you.

3:29 ↗ Jeffrey Newell.

3:34 ↗ >> Hey guys, I'm here.

3:38 ↗ Anna Novak. Hi.

3:43 ↗ >> Jane Dushi.

3:46 ↗ N to the end. I think

3:50 ↗ >> Katie Bell,

3:55 ↗ >> Martha here,

4:00 ↗ >> Chris Kovich here,

4:04 ↗ >> uh Brian Olsson here, and I'm just gonna

4:06 ↗ go through

4:08 ↗ David Louson,

4:12 ↗ Tim Mley.

4:14 ↗ Excused.

4:17 ↗ Arlene Waxi.

4:23 ↗ I will call uh Nicholson is here as

4:25 ↗ well. Um

4:28 ↗ we have no voting. We're not needing a

4:31 ↗ quorum. Have a pretty lengthy

4:33 ↗ conversation ahead tonight. Um which is

4:36 ↗ exciting. Um has anybody had a chance to

4:39 ↗ review the minutes from the last meeting

4:40 ↗ in the packet?

4:43 ↗ Any corrections or edits?

4:48 ↗ All right. Well, if no corrections or

4:50 ↗ edits on behalf of the board, the

4:51 ↗ minutes are approved.

4:59 ↗ Um, is there anyone here for public

5:02 ↗ comment?

5:04 ↗ Our camera is not working, so there's no

5:06 ↗ one in the room.

5:08 ↗ >> Uh, yes, we do have one. Okay. Steve

5:10 ↗ >> Pereira.

5:11 ↗ >> Thank you. And just a reminder, please

5:13 ↗ introduce yourself. Uh remind us if

5:16 ↗ you're a resident or not and try to keep

5:18 ↗ your comments to about five minutes.

5:21 ↗ Steve Pere.

5:23 ↗ >> Hi folks. Thanks for the opportunity to

5:25 ↗ speak with you all and thank you all for

5:26 ↗ your service to Isqua. I'm going to

5:29 ↗ check in first just to make sure you can

5:30 ↗ all hear me. Okay.

5:32 ↗ >> Yes, absolutely. Thank you.

5:34 ↗ So, I just wanted to share some thoughts

5:36 ↗ regarding the proposed

5:39 ↗ park bond

5:42 ↗ upcoming. And

5:45 ↗ I guess I just want to say that first of

5:47 ↗ all, I'm not in the position where I

5:50 ↗ presume that I either am or should be

5:53 ↗ the person who gets to decide what

5:54 ↗ should be in or what should be approved

5:57 ↗ or not approved.

6:00 ↗ I just wanted to share the that my

6:02 ↗ thoughts.

6:06 ↗ >> Yes, please.

6:07 ↗ >> When I first started when I first read

6:09 ↗ through the proposal, I was just

6:12 ↗ didn't understand

6:15 ↗ and and found kind of a gut strong gut

6:17 ↗ reaction. I didn't understand

6:21 ↗ why all these things were in issue, how

6:24 ↗ they were determined, how they were

6:25 ↗ said, how they were collected.

6:28 ↗ And there was nothing in them that

6:31 ↗ seemed to me to be the vision of what is

6:33 ↗ required to be. I was concerned with

6:37 ↗ uh so concerned with the items in the

6:39 ↗ list. Concerned we were using all of our

6:41 ↗ bonding issue in one go. We were using

6:44 ↗ all of our bonding issue that for things

6:48 ↗ like

6:50 ↗ um parks and playfields and things that

6:54 ↗ would by the time the 20-year

6:59 ↗ bond had been paid off would need to be

7:02 ↗ updated and recycled. I was concerned

7:04 ↗ with the fact that we were spending

7:10 ↗ this difference between as I understand

7:13 ↗ it and others may correct please feel

7:15 ↗ free to correct me

7:18 ↗ there's a difference between a capital

7:21 ↗ project that can be

7:25 ↗ used for new projects but then

7:28 ↗ existing funds have to be used to

7:31 ↗ maintain and

7:34 ↗ the maintenance. We were spending all

7:36 ↗ these projects that would then just

7:39 ↗ drive continued

7:41 ↗ annual operating costs upward to pay for

7:44 ↗ them. We weren't making any headway or

7:46 ↗ any gain. So

7:49 ↗ because of that, like I said, it was

7:50 ↗ just this large kind of gut reaction of

7:55 ↗ not just that there's really nothing

7:58 ↗ much there that I wanted

8:00 ↗ because you take the chances, I guess,

8:04 ↗ like everybody else, but structurally

8:06 ↗ and format-wise, I just so strongly

8:09 ↗ disagreed and still strongly disagree

8:11 ↗ with much of what the proposal

8:15 ↗ contains.

8:16 ↗ Uh there was there's examples I think in

8:20 ↗ the case and and these are just examples

8:23 ↗ uh in one of the recent city council

8:25 ↗ meetings

8:27 ↗ an additional $25,000 was added to the

8:30 ↗ budget to add trolley service for this

8:33 ↗ upcoming year.

8:35 ↗ Uh

8:36 ↗ that seems to be something that the

8:40 ↗ community wants that should be

8:42 ↗ structured into park funding as a

8:45 ↗ regular thing, not just add added ad

8:48 ↗ hoc. So that was something that seems to

8:50 ↗ be a high priority item.

8:53 ↗ Uh

8:55 ↗ another example is in the confluence

8:59 ↗ park area there is a

9:03 ↗ nice bridge connecting two land masses

9:07 ↗ but I don't know that it's structurally

9:10 ↗ at the time structurally it's fine but I

9:12 ↗ don't know if it's the thing that makes

9:15 ↗ the most high priority need or usage for

9:19 ↗ the park system.

9:24 ↗ So, I guess I would like to see us kind

9:26 ↗ of go back to the drawing board

9:29 ↗ and

9:31 ↗ state what it is we want, where it is

9:34 ↗ we're going.

9:38 ↗ Uh, I can go through item by item things

9:41 ↗ I like or dislike in what I understand

9:45 ↗ individual issues. That wasn't really my

9:47 ↗ concern. Uh while I do like the e house

9:51 ↗ for example and the historical

9:53 ↗ documentation of that, I just thought

9:55 ↗ that we'd personally be better since we

9:58 ↗ came so close in having that approved by

10:02 ↗ city council only to have the money

10:04 ↗ pulled away and used for the

10:08 ↗ downtown park areas or the oldtown park

10:11 ↗ areas. Uh I find myself though so

10:15 ↗ strongly disagreeing with the parks and

10:16 ↗ playfields with the

10:19 ↗ uh yet another dog park when there are

10:24 ↗ human needs that are a higher priority.

10:29 ↗ So I wanted I came here not to just

10:32 ↗ state what it is that I

10:35 ↗ dislike but to hopefully try to

10:37 ↗ influence the course of the discussion.

10:44 ↗ because it doesn't matter so much that I

10:46 ↗ disagree but

10:50 ↗ there just seems so little there that I

10:53 ↗ wanted or want want to see or or that I

10:57 ↗ had ever heard anybody say when they

11:00 ↗ think of Isqua, they think of parks and

11:02 ↗ playfields.

11:04 ↗ But I'd like to see things like

11:07 ↗ connections within the community between

11:09 ↗ different areas.

11:12 ↗ um more

11:14 ↗ of the things that that are discussed

11:17 ↗ about in the peaks to creeks.

11:21 ↗ But again, I'm not trying to lobby for

11:22 ↗ or against items here. I'm just saying

11:25 ↗ structurally and functionally this

11:30 ↗ seems illfitted and ills suited.

11:34 ↗ That's kind of the bulk of my comments

11:37 ↗ uh to share my thoughts and the level of

11:40 ↗ disagreement with this proposed plan. I

11:44 ↗ think I've already lowered my hand

11:47 ↗ and so with that I will stop speaking at

11:50 ↗ this point. Thank you.

11:54 ↗ >> Thank you Steve. Really appreciate the

11:55 ↗ feedback there.

11:59 ↗ >> We have anybody else for public comment?

12:05 ↗ Nobody else I see on the screen. Thanks,

12:08 ↗ Steve. Thank you, Steve. Also add

12:10 ↗ Marlene Waxi has joined us just for the

12:12 ↗ record and since we're not recording and

12:14 ↗ you can't see it, just for those online

12:16 ↗ to add there's another person here in

12:19 ↗ the building.

12:23 ↗ Uh and with that we can move on to the

12:26 ↗ regular business portion of our meeting

12:29 ↗ which we have one regular

12:31 ↗ >> business item the bond renewal update

12:35 ↗ presented

12:37 ↗ by Jeff

12:38 ↗ >> Ryan. Thank you. as I'm transitioning to

12:41 ↗ sharing my screen.

12:44 ↗ Um,

12:48 ↗ me as I navigate this

12:52 ↗ also, can I make a quick note for the

12:54 ↗ group,

12:56 ↗ >> Jeff?

12:57 ↗ >> Yes, please.

12:58 ↗ >> Yeah, do that as well. Just uh one note

13:01 ↗ for everyone to take into consideration

13:04 ↗ is typically in our May meeting we elect

13:07 ↗ new uh chair and vice chair. Um however

13:11 ↗ with this be meeting being pulled

13:13 ↗ forward um and David not being here and

13:16 ↗ this big park bond renewal plan as

13:19 ↗ regular business we'll be moving that

13:21 ↗ vote to uh May 18th. So, you have

13:25 ↗ officially 14 days notice uh to decide

13:28 ↗ if you want to throw your your hat in

13:29 ↗ the ring uh for either position. So,

13:32 ↗ with that, Jeff, take it away.

13:34 ↗ >> Ryan, thank you. Thank you for that that

13:37 ↗ uh reminder. Um and uh first off, just

13:40 ↗ thank you for moving this meeting back a

13:42 ↗ week. This was typically our April, end

13:44 ↗ of April meeting, but thank you with

13:46 ↗ some schedule complex and all. Um um

13:50 ↗ it's great. Uh wanted to be here. Um

13:53 ↗ yes, one item tonight. Uh a lot to to

13:56 ↗ discuss. I I hope uh these slides really

14:00 ↗ um um create the opportunity for a

14:03 ↗ pretty robust conversation. Uh what

14:06 ↗ you're going to see tonight, what I'm

14:07 ↗ going to be presenting is very similar

14:09 ↗ to what I'm going to be presenting

14:10 ↗ tomorrow night to the services, safety,

14:12 ↗ and parks uh city council committee.

14:14 ↗ That'll be on May 5th. Um uh this

14:18 ↗ presentation is really in response to uh

14:21 ↗ the April 6th conversation we had with

14:23 ↗ the entire city council. Um

14:27 ↗ so I really again look forward to our

14:29 ↗ discussion tonight. Um you'll see

14:33 ↗ me as I navigate screen here and uh some

14:37 ↗ questions that um I hope to get out of

14:40 ↗ uh this evening uh from all of you as

14:42 ↗ well as any other questions you might

14:44 ↗ have. But, uh, does the park board

14:46 ↗ support the recommendation from

14:48 ↗ administration to move forward, uh, with

14:50 ↗ the park bond renewal, uh, this November

14:52 ↗ at that 8 cents per 10,000 AV? Would be

14:55 ↗ great to start to get a sense if there's

14:57 ↗ consensus there. Um, second question,

15:01 ↗ any feedback on the vision statement um,

15:03 ↗ or the considerations andor the package

15:06 ↗ uh, of potential projects for uh, this

15:09 ↗ possible park bond renewal? Uh and then

15:11 ↗ lastly, are there any is there a park

15:14 ↗ forward recommendation or any message

15:16 ↗ that you would like um either myself as

15:19 ↗ staff to communicate tomorrow night to

15:21 ↗ council or that you would like to um or

15:23 ↗ a couple representatives of you would

15:25 ↗ like to come and share with city council

15:28 ↗ um at that meeting uh tomorrow night? Um

15:31 ↗ I think you've heard me say this a

15:33 ↗ couple of times um but I I I want to

15:36 ↗ save this at the top of this meeting in

15:38 ↗ conversation. you know, it's um such a

15:41 ↗ pleasure to be a staff uh person for a

15:44 ↗ community. Uh but when you get to a a

15:46 ↗ really really important topic like this

15:48 ↗ of considering renewing a bond or any

15:51 ↗ type of taxation or any type of funding

15:54 ↗ really really important capital

15:56 ↗ projects, at some point the staff voice

15:58 ↗ needs to diminish and it really needs to

16:01 ↗ be the voice of residents uh that are

16:02 ↗ speaking of that. And and I I feel like

16:05 ↗ this is a as we've been talking about

16:07 ↗ this for a couple months now, as you

16:09 ↗ certainly know, it's a priority of Mayor

16:10 ↗ Mullet's um I think it's really my

16:13 ↗ desire and his desire and

16:14 ↗ administration's desire uh that the

16:17 ↗ month of May starts to feel like that

16:18 ↗ transition like if this is something of

16:20 ↗ value to this community um how do we

16:24 ↗ begin hearing more from community voices

16:26 ↗ um on this? So with that and with those

16:29 ↗ questions in mind, uh let's jump in. Um

16:32 ↗ the outline for the presentation of

16:36 ↗ materials tonight is really uh born out

16:38 ↗ of the questions and the request for

16:41 ↗ additional information that city council

16:44 ↗ asked at that April 6th meeting. Um it's

16:47 ↗ really broken into four buckets. Uh the

16:50 ↗ first bucket we'll talk about is parks

16:51 ↗ capital funding. There were a number of

16:53 ↗ questions council had um in many ways

16:55 ↗ sort of looking forward and looking

16:57 ↗ backwards. Um what are the priorities

16:59 ↗ within parks capital? um what do

17:02 ↗ projected revenues look like in the CIP?

17:05 ↗ Um um and then sort of the look back

17:08 ↗ historically um what have we been able

17:11 ↗ to fund in park development or

17:13 ↗ redevelopment in the last 10 years? Um

17:16 ↗ and and how did we what have what have

17:18 ↗ we gotten accomplished and how were

17:19 ↗ those projects funded? Uh so we'll cover

17:21 ↗ that. Um second category was just a

17:24 ↗ number of questions about the projects

17:26 ↗ themselves. um a little deeper dive into

17:29 ↗ initial costs. Um I should have put a

17:32 ↗ capital I in initial or made that all

17:34 ↗ made that all caps. This is very initial

17:37 ↗ um cost. There's no design uh behind

17:39 ↗ these but um beginning to feel somewhat

17:42 ↗ comfortable with those initial costs. Uh

17:44 ↗ but not only looking at cost but grant

17:46 ↗ opportunities that each of these

17:47 ↗ projects um um

17:51 ↗ are could be available for us. um what

17:55 ↗ are the other near-term capital

17:56 ↗ priorities within the park plan? Um um

18:00 ↗ and then what other uh levy rates would

18:02 ↗ be needed to support um other levels of

18:05 ↗ projects or other combinations of

18:07 ↗ projects. Uh so we'll discuss that a

18:10 ↗ bit. Um third category really had to do

18:13 ↗ with vision and what is the central

18:15 ↗ vision uh for the potential park bond

18:17 ↗ renewal. So, we'll talk about that. Um,

18:19 ↗ and and hopefully see that it's born

18:21 ↗ directly out of the community engagement

18:23 ↗ we had around the park system plan. Uh,

18:26 ↗ and then fourth, um, question or request

18:29 ↗ for additional information was, uh,

18:32 ↗ recent park specific ballot measures

18:34 ↗ around the county. Um and so we took a a

18:37 ↗ deep dive into the last five years, what

18:39 ↗ other municipalities ran park specific

18:42 ↗ measures, whether levies or bonds, and

18:45 ↗ um a little bit of information around

18:47 ↗ that. Um

18:49 ↗ so with that outlined, we'll jump into

18:52 ↗ park capital funding.

18:54 ↗ Uh so as a broad overview um and and

18:58 ↗ those of you that have been on the board

18:59 ↗ for a while might may u also already

19:03 ↗ know this but really in a general sense

19:05 ↗ there are three core categories of

19:08 ↗ funding within parks capital uh when you

19:10 ↗ talk about a well-rounded park capital

19:13 ↗ program um it's acquisitions um and

19:17 ↗ funding and strategies around

19:18 ↗ acquisitions it's funding and strategies

19:21 ↗ around capital maintenance programs uh

19:23 ↗ so How I would categorize that is taking

19:26 ↗ care of what you have. That's hey that

19:28 ↗ picnic shelter that was built 20 years

19:31 ↗ from now it's going to need to be

19:32 ↗ reinvested in. Hey, that those those

19:34 ↗ trail stairs and elements of a trail

19:37 ↗ system we know we're going to need to

19:38 ↗ put capital maintenance into those. Uh

19:41 ↗ and then the third bucket is development

19:44 ↗ and redevelopment projects. That's the

19:46 ↗ new neighborhood park. That's the

19:48 ↗ redevelopment of Hillside Park. That's

19:50 ↗ the completion of the dog park that we

19:52 ↗ just did. Um fall into that third

19:54 ↗ category. Um with the limited has I

19:58 ↗ worked with finance and and sort of in

20:01 ↗ in preparing the response for council,

20:04 ↗ it became pretty clear. Um, and I think

20:06 ↗ you know this when we look at our last

20:08 ↗ couple of years of capital funding. Um,

20:10 ↗ with limited capital revenue available

20:12 ↗ for this city, our the parks capital

20:15 ↗ program and those three categories are

20:16 ↗ also competing with competing is not the

20:19 ↗ right word, but seeking funding with

20:22 ↗ transportation capital and facilities

20:25 ↗ capital. There's other IT capital.

20:27 ↗ There's other capital needs that the

20:29 ↗ city has. But with that, the recent

20:31 ↗ priority by administration

20:34 ↗ um and council has really been funding

20:36 ↗ acquisitions and capital maintenance

20:38 ↗ programs. And so what that's meant is

20:41 ↗ park development redevelopment projects

20:43 ↗ with city directed

20:45 ↗ um capital revenue has been pretty

20:47 ↗ limited. uh in the history will will

20:49 ↗ sort of show that um in working with

20:52 ↗ finance um and looking at a clear

20:54 ↗ picture at the adopted CIP that the city

20:57 ↗ has um the adopted CIP can be somewhat

21:02 ↗ misleading because it it's a great

21:04 ↗ spreadsheet that shows sort of estimated

21:07 ↗ costs for projects over the next six

21:10 ↗ years, whether it's transportation,

21:12 ↗ whether it's facilities, whether it's

21:13 ↗ parks. um but it doesn't really identify

21:16 ↗ what's real money and what's

21:18 ↗ aspirational money. Um but when you look

21:21 ↗ at um real estate excise tax which is a

21:24 ↗ a huge funding source for capital

21:27 ↗ investment not just parks but

21:29 ↗ transportation and facilities and the

21:31 ↗ like um that funding the actual REIT

21:35 ↗ revenue that's coming in is going to be

21:37 ↗ in a deficit position

21:39 ↗ next bianium so by 2728. So, what that

21:42 ↗ means is we we're um

21:47 ↗ REIT isn't going to be able to fund what

21:49 ↗ the CIP is showing it's going to be able

21:51 ↗ to fund. And we're not the only city in

21:53 ↗ that that position, but it's just a a

21:56 ↗ reality. Um

21:59 ↗ so, looking ahead, you know, with that,

22:01 ↗ there will be very limited to to no RET

22:04 ↗ funding available for this category of

22:06 ↗ park development and redevelopment

22:08 ↗ projects. I don't mean to identify that

22:11 ↗ as doom and gloom. That's just that's

22:13 ↗ reality. And so when we look at things

22:16 ↗ like renewing a a park levy, um I think

22:19 ↗ there needs to be an understanding that

22:20 ↗ there's not a alternative source of

22:22 ↗ revenue just sitting there um waiting

22:26 ↗ waiting um uh to to fund uh this kind of

22:30 ↗ development and redevelopment um

22:32 ↗ investments that we're talking about.

22:36 ↗ So that's looking ahead. So looking back

22:39 ↗ um if we were to look at the park

22:41 ↗ development so those development

22:42 ↗ redevelopment projects have been

22:44 ↗ completed the last 10 years this is the

22:46 ↗ list of what we've done the last 10

22:48 ↗ years um confluence park phase 2 was

22:51 ↗ completed in 2017 uh that included the

22:54 ↗ bridge the pedestrian bridge over

22:56 ↗ confluence park at second phase uh that

22:58 ↗ was funded through 2013 park bonds so

23:02 ↗ voter approved park bond funds and

23:04 ↗ grants were the primary sources for that

23:07 ↗ project. Central Park Padwan turf fields

23:10 ↗ uh which are the the two newer fields um

23:13 ↗ up in Central Park. Those were completed

23:14 ↗ in 2018. Again, funded with 2013 park

23:20 ↗ bond funds and grants.

23:24 ↗ In 2022, uh we completed a renovation of

23:27 ↗ Blackberry Park. That project was funded

23:30 ↗ primarily with city capital revenues.

23:32 ↗ So, REIT general fund park impact fees

23:37 ↗ um the like. Um hillside park

23:39 ↗ renovations um in 2025 we cut the ribbon

23:42 ↗ on that project. Again, that project was

23:45 ↗ funded with city capital revenues. Um

23:47 ↗ also in 2025 last year uh we completed

23:50 ↗ pedestrian park and the senior center

23:52 ↗ plaza project that was funded

23:55 ↗ predominantly by ARPA and the um

23:58 ↗ American Recovery. Oh my goodness, I

24:01 ↗ forget the acronym. The federal ARPA

24:04 ↗ funds um sort of through COVID and COVID

24:07 ↗ recovery. Um um about 7 million of that

24:10 ↗ and a a state grant as well, about

24:13 ↗ $700,000 state grant. Um so no city

24:16 ↗ capital revenues were used for that

24:18 ↗ project. Uh and then um just at the end

24:21 ↗ of April, we cut a ribbon at the Reineer

24:22 ↗ Trail Dog Park. Uh that project was

24:25 ↗ funded with city capital revenues. So

24:27 ↗ when you look at the development

24:29 ↗ projects that were done over the last 10

24:30 ↗ years, um three of them were

24:34 ↗ predominantly funded either by park bond

24:36 ↗ or or federal dollars, three of them

24:38 ↗ funded by city capital revenues. Um some

24:41 ↗ takeaways from this. Um it certainly

24:43 ↗ confirms that park bond funding and

24:45 ↗ grants have been foundational uh revenue

24:48 ↗ sources for park development and

24:50 ↗ redevelopment um over the years, over

24:53 ↗ the decades, quite frankly. Um um when

24:57 ↗ we look at the real the city capital

24:59 ↗ revenues uh for those three projects um

25:03 ↗ totaled a total of $3.2 million in park

25:06 ↗ development redevelopment investment

25:07 ↗ over the last 10 years. Again, not to

25:10 ↗ say that's exactly what needs to happen,

25:12 ↗ but to just take that cadence and that

25:15 ↗ pace um and knowing how limited our

25:19 ↗ capital dollars are without um

25:21 ↗ foundational bond funding, um it would

25:24 ↗ take 60 plus years to complete $20

25:26 ↗ million worth of work worth of

25:29 ↗ development or new development projects.

25:31 ↗ Again, not meant as doom and gloom, but

25:33 ↗ just meant as a sort of financial fiscal

25:36 ↗ reality.

25:37 ↗ um um for everyone to to consider.

25:42 ↗ >> Jeff, can I ask you?

25:44 ↗ >> Yeah, I'll pause right there.

25:45 ↗ >> Um the 20 million is that Can you go

25:49 ↗ back to the slide?

25:51 ↗ >> It is the are the six projects listed.

25:55 ↗ I'm trying to get a sense of what 20

25:57 ↗ million is. Is that close to the total

25:59 ↗ of these six million? Sorry. Of these

26:02 ↗ six projects or is it

26:04 ↗ >> No,

26:05 ↗ >> just is that are these six projects more

26:08 ↗ than that, less than that?

26:10 ↗ >> Those six projects were I don't know the

26:13 ↗ the the 20 million and thank you for

26:15 ↗ asking that. I should clarify make sure

26:16 ↗ I clarify that tomorrow night. The 20

26:18 ↗ million is really meant to reflect the

26:21 ↗ potential park bond package we're

26:23 ↗ talking about.

26:23 ↗ >> I see. I see. So, so the b the bond

26:25 ↗ renewal package we're talking about is a

26:28 ↗ 20 to $25 million

26:31 ↗ investment opportunity.

26:32 ↗ >> Okay.

26:33 ↗ >> So, so to not do a park bond renewal and

26:36 ↗ think, hey, let's let's accomplish e

26:39 ↗ house and right that the exact projects

26:42 ↗ that we're thinking about for this park

26:44 ↗ bond renewal, that's going to take six

26:47 ↗ decades to to to do. And in that six

26:50 ↗ decades, a whole lot of the rest of the

26:53 ↗ park system is going to be getting

26:54 ↗ tired.

26:55 ↗ >> Yeah.

26:55 ↗ >> As well.

26:56 ↗ >> Yeah. The reason I was asking is because

26:58 ↗ it would be an interesting story if it

27:02 ↗ were true to be able to say tomorrow

27:04 ↗ night what we did in what's that seven

27:08 ↗ nine years would take 60 years. I mean,

27:11 ↗ you know what I'm saying? Like have a

27:13 ↗ sense of like what does it mean?

27:16 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah.

27:16 ↗ >> You know what I mean? No, it's a great a

27:18 ↗ great point, Jane, and and I think that

27:20 ↗ the and you're right, I'm not trying to

27:22 ↗ totally connect the dots, but with a

27:24 ↗ with a possible park bond renewal,

27:27 ↗ >> um what could be accomplished in 8 to 10

27:30 ↗ years?

27:30 ↗ >> Yeah.

27:31 ↗ >> With a park bond renewal.

27:32 ↗ >> Yeah.

27:33 ↗ >> Would take 60 years.

27:35 ↗ >> Yeah.

27:36 ↗ >> With without it.

27:38 ↗ >> Thanks.

27:38 ↗ >> Yep.

27:41 ↗ So, um, any other questions about sort

27:45 ↗ of the capital funding category?

27:48 ↗ >> Talk capital funding.

27:50 ↗ >> Yeah, let's do it.

27:50 ↗ >> Do we know what percent of like, can we

27:55 ↗ benchmark other cities? Do we know what

27:57 ↗ percent they're spending of their

27:59 ↗ sort of capital revenues on parks

28:02 ↗ >> on park development? I don't know off

28:04 ↗ the top of my head. It it it really

28:06 ↗ varies.

28:08 ↗ >> Very small. Like I was just curious like

28:10 ↗ if we we ran around the east side would

28:13 ↗ it be similar or we

28:15 ↗ >> It's a good question. I it is relatively

28:17 ↗ small and that's not meant to say shame

28:19 ↗ on us Isiqua. I think what it's meant to

28:21 ↗ tell what it tells me is when you look

28:23 ↗ at a voter approved park bond in 2006

28:26 ↗ and a voter approved park bond in 2013

28:30 ↗ that there again has been a reliance on

28:34 ↗ park bonds to really fund

28:37 ↗ park development. And so with without

28:40 ↗ one to think we could go on and be

28:43 ↗ funding at a similar rate without one um

28:47 ↗ it would take a different there's not a

28:49 ↗ there's not an alternative funding

28:51 ↗ source just waiting there. This is what

28:53 ↗ I want to consider.

28:56 ↗ >> It's feeling burned by the pass for the

28:59 ↗ school board, right? Is how do we make

29:02 ↗ people understand why we need these and

29:04 ↗ what it's doing? Like I think that just

29:06 ↗ feels to me like any of these facts like

29:09 ↗ um that Jane was talking about as far as

29:10 ↗ like okay this is what you got for that

29:12 ↗ money last time. Here's what you're

29:13 ↗ going to get this time and oh by the way

29:16 ↗ >> you know we only put 2% of our you know

29:18 ↗ budget to parks where most of everybody

29:20 ↗ else's age or whatever it is like

29:23 ↗ >> feel like we're going to need to

29:25 ↗ >> Yeah. the value that they're getting

29:27 ↗ >> for the for Yeah. considering this

29:29 ↗ renewal.

29:31 ↗ >> Yeah.

29:33 ↗ Great point.

29:37 ↗ All right. Should we go to programs or

29:40 ↗ projects?

29:42 ↗ So um you know as we start talking about

29:45 ↗ um initial costs and um grant

29:48 ↗ opportunities uh for the the projects

29:52 ↗ we're considering for a package and then

29:54 ↗ looking at alternative packages. We

29:55 ↗ wanted to also sort of bring to council

29:59 ↗ some of the um the filters and the the

30:03 ↗ criteria that we use to to consider uh

30:06 ↗ these projects. Um, I think I appreciate

30:09 ↗ Steve Herrera's um, comments and and

30:12 ↗ questions. I think it's paramount to

30:14 ↗ drive home this this first point that

30:18 ↗ um,

30:20 ↗ and and really the second point um,

30:23 ↗ these projects didn't come out of thin

30:24 ↗ air. Uh, these projects are identified

30:28 ↗ priorities and interests that this

30:30 ↗ community has told us about um, through

30:33 ↗ the park system plan surveys and

30:35 ↗ community outreach. um etc. And so um

30:39 ↗ and knowing it's such a mix of interests

30:41 ↗ that this community has, this community

30:43 ↗ wants its city park system to

30:46 ↗ perform in such a wide variety of ways.

30:49 ↗ And that's not rare. That's I think any

30:52 ↗ any city with a quality of life. Um any

30:55 ↗ one family is going to be different than

30:57 ↗ another family in terms of what types of

30:59 ↗ uses they want within their park system.

31:02 ↗ Um, and so this first point I think was

31:04 ↗ a really important one that we wanted to

31:05 ↗ consider a package that provided

31:08 ↗ multiple medium-sized projects uh that

31:11 ↗ would increase functionality of the park

31:13 ↗ system. Um, that functionality includes

31:15 ↗ better connectivity of this park system.

31:18 ↗ Um, as well as is providing the broadest

31:20 ↗ community benefit possible given that

31:23 ↗ mix of uses. um a mix of projects uh

31:26 ↗ within available funding that address

31:27 ↗ that diversity um of uses um within our

31:32 ↗ Isiqua community and what they want and

31:34 ↗ expect their how they want and expect

31:36 ↗ their park system to perform. Um, we'll

31:39 ↗ talk a little bit about vision and I

31:41 ↗ think you'll remember we have a page

31:42 ↗ from the park system plan that you

31:44 ↗ remember that that word vibrancy that

31:46 ↗ really came out of the park system plan

31:48 ↗ and and this community wanting a city

31:50 ↗ park system that didn't feel so tired

31:53 ↗ and hey I go to this city and their park

31:55 ↗ system has these kind of things but our

31:57 ↗ parks don't. Uh this is a an an interest

32:01 ↗ in um you know adding u those mix of

32:05 ↗ amenities and um mix of of things within

32:09 ↗ a city park system that um we don't

32:12 ↗ necessarily have in abundance. Uh

32:15 ↗ projects that don't have a high level of

32:16 ↗ site complexity or project complexity uh

32:19 ↗ that might make it difficult to scope or

32:21 ↗ cost estimate prior to extensive design

32:24 ↗ work. This is an important one. um this

32:26 ↗ this we we do not have um projects that

32:31 ↗ are fully designed, fully permitted,

32:33 ↗ just sitting on the shelf ready to be

32:35 ↗ done, right? We're we're we're going to

32:37 ↗ take to the voters projects that still

32:41 ↗ some of this funding that we we're

32:43 ↗ asking voters for isn't just paying to

32:45 ↗ build it. It's build it's paying to

32:46 ↗ design it. It's paying to permit it and

32:50 ↗ construct it. So, we really want to be

32:52 ↗ careful that we're not trying to tackle

32:54 ↗ super complex projects um uh that um

32:59 ↗ have a lot of unknowns.

33:01 ↗ Um another point was does this pro does

33:05 ↗ the a project we're considering have a

33:07 ↗ level of controversy or community

33:09 ↗ concern that may be difficult to resolve

33:12 ↗ um at such an early conceptual stage of

33:14 ↗ the project? Um

33:17 ↗ to to put simply um you know a project

33:21 ↗ that does have community concern um we

33:25 ↗ would rather as staff would rather

33:27 ↗ utilize community outreach and the

33:29 ↗ community outreach project to vet those

33:32 ↗ concerns. Um Hillside Park for example,

33:35 ↗ it was community engagement and outreach

33:37 ↗ that really got to consensus. it it took

33:40 ↗ that to happen. Um to expect a potential

33:44 ↗ park bond renewal to create consensus um

33:49 ↗ it's probably not going to do it. So we

33:51 ↗ want to be really thoughtful about um um

33:55 ↗ not having projects that really need

33:57 ↗ that level of public engagement um to to

34:00 ↗ get to what the answer is.

34:03 ↗ Uh and then last sort of filter or lens

34:05 ↗ was consider a mix of projects and

34:07 ↗ locations that provide a geographic

34:09 ↗ distribution of these parks investments.

34:11 ↗ Um in some cases we don't have equity of

34:14 ↗ amenities within our community and how

34:16 ↗ might this project uh provide that. Um

34:19 ↗ and that's again you know this idea of

34:21 ↗ athletic fields and turf fields is a

34:23 ↗ great example. How do we consider an

34:26 ↗ investment package that uh brings

34:28 ↗ diversity of um geographic diversity of

34:32 ↗ of some of these opportunities that

34:33 ↗ certain um areas of this community have

34:36 ↗ more readily available than others.

34:40 ↗ So with those in mind um we really get

34:44 ↗ into u and you're familiar now with

34:47 ↗ these proposed projects. I'm happy to to

34:50 ↗ um answer questions if you have

34:52 ↗ questions about them. And I'm not going

34:54 ↗ to spend a lot of time on the details of

34:55 ↗ them, but really um walk through um

35:00 ↗ initial estimates. Um and as a reminder,

35:02 ↗ as you see these initial estimates for

35:04 ↗ something like the ek house um and folio

35:08 ↗ restoring and incorporating that into

35:10 ↗ confluence park, these initial estimates

35:12 ↗ again include design. Um design can be

35:15 ↗ quite expensive. Permitting can be quite

35:17 ↗ expensive. This isn't just a

35:19 ↗ construction number. Um, but it would

35:20 ↗ include all three of those, design,

35:22 ↗ permitting, and construction. Um, I do

35:26 ↗ want to point out, and again, thanks

35:27 ↗ Steve for his public comment. I want to

35:29 ↗ clarify though, the the restoration of

35:31 ↗ the e house was never um was not part of

35:35 ↗ the ARPA funding. What was what was, if

35:38 ↗ you recall, what was part of the ARPA

35:40 ↗ funding was creating a plaza space

35:42 ↗ behind the e house. Um, that would be

35:45 ↗ considered sort of a first phase. Um um

35:49 ↗ and then e house would need to be funded

35:52 ↗ um at a later time. So that ARPA funding

35:55 ↗ was never pulled from the restoration of

35:58 ↗ the e house itself. Uh this project

36:00 ↗ would seek to do both the ek house and

36:03 ↗ that incorporation creating some type of

36:06 ↗ back plaza space so it feels like a a

36:09 ↗ portion of the park. Um there's some

36:11 ↗ great grant grant opportunities for a

36:13 ↗ project like this both from the county

36:16 ↗ um as well as as the state.

36:19 ↗ Uh the Ramos trail head improvements um

36:22 ↗ looking at u bringing uh more trail head

36:26 ↗ functionality that that very very

36:28 ↗ important gateway. Uh we're estimating

36:30 ↗ that at 1.5 million. That would include

36:33 ↗ restroom um uh connection as well as a

36:37 ↗ surfacing that provides a more um

36:39 ↗ sustainable um and consistent surfacing.

36:43 ↗ Um there's RCO is an acronym recreation

36:46 ↗ conservation office. That's state grant

36:48 ↗ funding. Uh there's also um county level

36:52 ↗ trails funding through uh through the

36:54 ↗ levy that this uh trail head project we

36:56 ↗ think would be really really competitive

36:58 ↗ um with

37:00 ↗ >> I'm sorry one more question. Yeah,

37:02 ↗ please

37:03 ↗ >> on e house and I apologize if I should

37:05 ↗ know this and I don't.

37:06 ↗ >> That's okay.

37:07 ↗ >> Give me just a quick description like

37:09 ↗ what um what the end state is going to

37:13 ↗ be and what the benefit to community

37:16 ↗ would be to like what that's what's that

37:18 ↗ going to look like?

37:19 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah. Um

37:21 ↗ quick sort of elevator speech version.

37:24 ↗ Yeah. Yeah. Um

37:26 ↗ >> yeah. So e house is one of the last

37:28 ↗ remaining initial or original farm

37:30 ↗ houses on the valley floor. So this

37:34 ↗ project would historically restore the

37:37 ↗ shell of that um to a to a level that it

37:39 ↗ could be considered landmarked

37:42 ↗ >> uh but then it would um um

37:49 ↗ make it publicly accessible um meaning

37:53 ↗ putting a found an actual foundation on

37:55 ↗ it. that house is still on its original

37:57 ↗ timber foundation. Um so if you ever

37:59 ↗ want to look under there, you'll still

38:01 ↗ see stumps um as the foundation. So

38:04 ↗ doing the work to in historically

38:07 ↗ restore the shell of it. Um what we

38:10 ↗ talked about conceptually was I'm past

38:12 ↗ my elevator speech now. um taking out

38:15 ↗ the second floor. So you would have this

38:17 ↗ big vated ceiling space on the inside

38:20 ↗ that would could accommodate um um art

38:24 ↗ exhibits, uh meetings up to rentals and

38:27 ↗ meetings up to 50 people. Um as we've

38:30 ↗ talked to historical agencies, uh the

38:33 ↗ back of the house is the least sort of

38:35 ↗ historically relevant portion. So the

38:38 ↗ great opportunities that back out of the

38:39 ↗ house is what relates to the park. Um,

38:42 ↗ what if we had either large accordion

38:45 ↗ doors or rollup doors? So, it would

38:48 ↗ function as an indooroutdoor

38:51 ↗ park pavilion space um uh that um yeah

38:56 ↗ provides you know again art exhibit

38:58 ↗ space um and the creative district um as

39:01 ↗ well as a a a new type of rental um

39:04 ↗ space for the community.

39:06 ↗ >> Thank you.

39:07 ↗ >> Yeah,

39:09 ↗ it's a long elevator ride. Thanks.

39:11 ↗ >> And that would ultimately generate

39:12 ↗ income right?

39:14 ↗ >> Correct. So this and you're right, I

39:16 ↗ should point that out. That that would

39:17 ↗ have a revenue generating um that

39:20 ↗ investment has a revenue generating

39:22 ↗ opportunity

39:25 ↗ as does a couple of the other ones as we

39:27 ↗ move forward. Uh the new trail corridors

39:29 ↗ again uh really leveraging the

39:32 ↗ investments on acquisition that have

39:33 ↗ been made um over the last seven or

39:36 ↗ eight years. uh we have an opportunity

39:38 ↗ to really activate Harvey Manning Park

39:41 ↗ which is the Bergsma corridor uh that

39:44 ↗ really connects the valley floor to uh

39:46 ↗ Cougar Mountain Regional Park and all

39:48 ↗ the public lands beyond Isiqua and then

39:51 ↗ Squawk Mountain utilizing the Kokari and

39:53 ↗ Wayimouth acquisitions

39:55 ↗ um to create finally a really functional

39:59 ↗ gateway from again the valley floor up

40:01 ↗ into Squawk Mountain Trail System and

40:03 ↗ Squawk Mountain State Park um beyond our

40:06 ↗ our city borders. Uh we estimate uh

40:10 ↗ those in total at about a $4 million

40:12 ↗ investment to again do the design work.

40:15 ↗ Uh there's topography to deal with.

40:17 ↗ There is um streams and waterways we're

40:20 ↗ going to want to be really smart and

40:21 ↗ careful with. So this isn't just trails.

40:24 ↗ There will be some bridge work and other

40:26 ↗ um trail infrastructure that'll be

40:29 ↗ needed uh to do that project. Well, uh

40:33 ↗ lots of grant opportunities for um

40:35 ↗ really um ambitious uh trail projects

40:39 ↗ like this connectivity projects both at

40:41 ↗ the state and county level.

40:44 ↗ Uh the athletic field uh projects, what

40:46 ↗ we've talked about is um um in concept

40:50 ↗ of what I'll mention to council is um we

40:54 ↗ think with $9.25 25 million and

40:56 ↗ leveraging some grant money, um we could

40:59 ↗ put into play all three of the

41:00 ↗ elementary school fields. Um what this

41:04 ↗ community sports field model does um is,

41:08 ↗ um through the work we're doing with

41:09 ↗ renewing and updating the joint use

41:11 ↗ agreement is these truly would function

41:14 ↗ as three public park spaces. Um uh they

41:18 ↗ would um look and feel yes like a school

41:23 ↗ amenity during the school day and would

41:25 ↗ be a much improved recess facility for

41:29 ↗ um students and kiddos but um evenings,

41:32 ↗ weekends, summer months. These would

41:35 ↗ function as drop in um places for

41:39 ↗ families, communities to to utilize turf

41:42 ↗ fields. uh striped very much like we

41:45 ↗ have striped in Central Park where we

41:48 ↗ would get multiple types of sport uses

41:50 ↗ uh depending on each of the field

41:52 ↗ configurations. Um the city would be the

41:55 ↗ scheduler of these, we would be the

41:57 ↗ maintainer of these, we would be the

41:58 ↗ revenue collector so of of these uh

42:02 ↗ fields. Uh there is been a continued um

42:05 ↗ interest um in this within this

42:08 ↗ community to have more turf fields

42:10 ↗ within our park system. Um, land is

42:13 ↗ really, really expensive in this town.

42:15 ↗ And we think this is a really

42:16 ↗ innovative, quite frankly,

42:18 ↗ environmentally sustainability,

42:20 ↗ environmentally sustainable, um, way to,

42:24 ↗ um, incorporate increased um, athletic

42:27 ↗ field uh, use in this community without

42:30 ↗ having to go buy buy new land. Um

42:35 ↗ again, lots of grant funding

42:36 ↗ opportunities both at the state county

42:39 ↗ level, a couple different count uh

42:41 ↗ county funding sources. We also think in

42:43 ↗ talking with the mayor, there could be

42:45 ↗ some federal funding uh that uh could be

42:48 ↗ available for uh this type of of

42:50 ↗ innovative collaborative multi- agency

42:54 ↗ um work.

42:59 ↗ Uh the other park amenities we've talked

43:01 ↗ about in the the package include

43:04 ↗ expanded pickle ball at Central Park. Um

43:08 ↗ original language should say or other

43:09 ↗ location I think as we've more and more

43:12 ↗ studied this uh the opportunity that

43:14 ↗ presents itself at what is known as pad

43:17 ↗ 3. of the lower turf fields. Uh there is

43:20 ↗ room within the front of those fields to

43:22 ↗ add uh what would be four tennis courts

43:26 ↗ andor eight pickle ball courts. Um so an

43:29 ↗ an ample um investment um and an

43:33 ↗ opportunity on land we currently own for

43:35 ↗ a need that's continuing to grow. Both

43:38 ↗ tennis is growing as well as pickle

43:40 ↗ ball.

43:41 ↗ um uh incorporating a community park-siz

43:46 ↗ playground at Tibets Valley Park as we

43:47 ↗ talked about. Um making it an

43:50 ↗ all-inclusive type facility is something

43:52 ↗ very different than what uh this

43:54 ↗ community's had before. Uh but again, a

43:57 ↗ large interest in diversifying our play

44:00 ↗ in this community. Um great

44:02 ↗ opportunities for uh grant funding uh

44:05 ↗ for that as well. Um and then a dog park

44:08 ↗ at Tibets Valley Park. Um um we

44:11 ↗ estimated a million dollars. Again,

44:13 ↗ grant funding um available for that. Um

44:16 ↗ something I'll point out to council is

44:18 ↗ when when you start talking about

44:20 ↗ estimating estimates and um positioning

44:24 ↗ projects like this for grant funding,

44:27 ↗ when you have um foundational funding

44:31 ↗ already in place, you're far more

44:34 ↗ competitive. You're far more successful.

44:36 ↗ Granters want to know they're providing

44:38 ↗ the last money in.

44:40 ↗ >> Granters don't want to be the first

44:42 ↗ money in for development projects. Um

44:45 ↗ and so um

44:48 ↗ you know a a a baseline funding source

44:51 ↗ like a park bond renewal would really

44:53 ↗ position all of these projects um we

44:56 ↗ feel a staff to to be able to score

44:57 ↗ really really well. Um, I'll point out

45:00 ↗ just as a reminder and again, thank you

45:02 ↗ I think for the conversations we've had

45:03 ↗ as a as a with all of you as park board

45:06 ↗ these last couple of months. Um, you

45:08 ↗ know, adding those amenities to Tibets

45:10 ↗ Valley Park are really important. The

45:12 ↗ the revisioning of Tibetz Valley Park is

45:14 ↗ still a priority. um and is still

45:16 ↗ planned on continuing and going on to

45:19 ↗ the point that that community outreach

45:22 ↗ and engagement and revisioning will

45:25 ↗ determine not only um sort of

45:27 ↗ configuration, conceptual configuration

45:29 ↗ of the entire park, but will also be

45:32 ↗ used to inform where this playground

45:34 ↗ would go, where the dog park would go.

45:37 ↗ We would not do that ahead of that

45:40 ↗ revisioning work.

45:44 ↗ Back slide.

45:45 ↗ >> Yes. Back one slide.

45:49 ↗ >> In the um turfing, are we also looking

45:52 ↗ at lights? Because one of the things

45:54 ↗ that makes those turf fields usable at

45:56 ↗ night is lighting at Central Park. And

45:58 ↗ so like if we were going to do tennis,

46:00 ↗ they already have lights. Elementary

46:02 ↗ schools typically do not have lights.

46:05 ↗ >> What are we like what is the plan?

46:07 ↗ >> Great question. Uh it is something

46:08 ↗ that's going to be considered

46:11 ↗ would be part of the community

46:12 ↗ engagement. We'll need to be really

46:13 ↗ careful in terms of how we do that. Um

46:16 ↗ but yes, we feel like an investment like

46:19 ↗ this is definitely worth um adding a

46:22 ↗ consideration for lighting.

46:24 ↗ >> It's almost not worth doing it if you're

46:25 ↗ not light it.

46:28 ↗ It's dark and rainy here.

46:31 ↗ >> Yeah. For the winter months certainly.

46:33 ↗ Yeah.

46:33 ↗ >> And that's when you need the dry

46:37 ↗ grass.

46:39 ↗ >> Yeah.

46:41 ↗ The other question I have here on turkey

46:44 ↗ knowing that uh Tibbitz is off the table

46:47 ↗ which is a has a lot of baseball and

46:49 ↗ softball use um obviously in the

46:52 ↗ elementary schools the size of those is

46:54 ↗ going to be a problem for a full-size

46:56 ↗ baseball in particular. Did we ever

46:58 ↗ think about um partnering up with the

47:00 ↗ high school like they do in Spanish um

47:03 ↗ on the baseball field would be the other

47:04 ↗ question is there a way to get that in

47:08 ↗ this mix? I'm just kind of think about

47:09 ↗ central pad too, which I know we want to

47:12 ↗ do, but there's lots of turf up in up in

47:14 ↗ the highlands. There's not as much down

47:16 ↗ here, which we talk about often. So,

47:18 ↗ >> for me, one of the uses that's not

47:19 ↗ really being covered here is more of the

47:22 ↗ middle school and above baseball,

47:25 ↗ >> right? Yeah. We know we could get major

47:27 ↗ level majors level size fields on those

47:31 ↗ elementary school fields. I think one of

47:32 ↗ them um um Clark may the layout lends

47:38 ↗ itself to a little bigger um outfield.

47:41 ↗ Uh we would certainly take a look at

47:43 ↗ that.

47:44 ↗ >> Get a 69.

47:47 ↗ >> Yeah, it it it may not. Um I think

47:52 ↗ the consideration of high school varsity

47:55 ↗ facilities will really be dependent upon

47:58 ↗ the school district. uh the Isqua school

48:00 ↗ district historically has taken a very

48:02 ↗ different approach um to that than what

48:06 ↗ was done in Samish was with the Lake

48:08 ↗ Washington school district not the

48:10 ↗ school district um

48:13 ↗ I don't mean to speak negatively of this

48:15 ↗ school district I just know each one's

48:16 ↗ differently I

48:18 ↗ >> than the one that started those

48:19 ↗ conversations with the school district

48:21 ↗ uh back in back in the day

48:22 ↗ >> and they start because what's going to

48:24 ↗ happen here is after 12 right those are

48:27 ↗ going to get we're not really covering

48:30 ↗ 128.

48:31 ↗ >> Yeah. Well, and and I guess I would add

48:33 ↗ that that the the Tibbitz Valley Fields

48:36 ↗ aren't going away, right? And so, you

48:39 ↗ know, as we consider at a with a broader

48:41 ↗ athletic field strategy,

48:44 ↗ how, you know, if this is an investment

48:46 ↗ that is being made on the elementary

48:48 ↗ school fields, how does that um either

48:53 ↗ reduce andor uh reposition our

48:56 ↗ maintenance capacity um at Tibbitz? um

48:59 ↗ how do we make sure we're um providing

49:03 ↗ um

49:05 ↗ well-maintained

49:07 ↗ um facilities for all age groups of of

49:10 ↗ baseball softball. So

49:14 ↗ >> don't get me wrong,

49:19 ↗ you know.

49:20 ↗ >> Yeah. I think

49:22 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think one of the

49:24 ↗ realities of this again potential

49:27 ↗ package is and we'll see it later on as

49:30 ↗ we just created three scenarios. We

49:33 ↗ could create 50 scenarios. Um

49:38 ↗ 20ome million dollar $25 million is a is

49:40 ↗ a big investment. Probably the biggest

49:43 ↗ single investment this community would

49:44 ↗ consider for investing into its park

49:46 ↗ system, but is in no way going to be

49:48 ↗ able to fund I think everything the

49:50 ↗ community is interested in in in doing.

49:53 ↗ Um, so great questions, Marlene. Thank

49:55 ↗ you.

49:56 ↗ >> Oh, go ahead.

49:57 ↗ >> Yeah.

49:58 ↗ >> Do you have a followup?

50:00 ↗ >> Oh, I had a followup from what Marlene

50:01 ↗ was asking. On these athletic fields,

50:04 ↗ um, is is it um

50:08 ↗ is it a situation where they're going to

50:10 ↗ be

50:12 ↗ um I'm wondering how the field is

50:14 ↗ configured. And I'm asking that because

50:16 ↗ I've, you know, just wandered around. I

50:18 ↗ used to live in the Highlands. So you go

50:20 ↗ up to, you know, Central Park and see

50:25 ↗ >> if in unscheduled times, you know, kids

50:27 ↗ playing soccer or lacrosse or, you know,

50:30 ↗ there folks um playing cricket, you

50:33 ↗ know. So like I'm just I'm curious um

50:38 ↗ how

50:41 ↗ how to make space for for that kind of

50:45 ↗ variety of,

50:47 ↗ you know, community

50:49 ↗ use and you know and how how that might

50:53 ↗ work and if this is a you know premature

50:56 ↗ question that's fine I was just curious

50:57 ↗ like how how

50:58 ↗ >> No it's a it's a great question I'd say

51:00 ↗ in general as as the managers and

51:02 ↗ stewards of of the turf fields at

51:04 ↗ Central Park we make sure those are

51:06 ↗ accessible and available for drop in

51:08 ↗ >> use that these elementary school fields

51:11 ↗ would be the the same we manage them the

51:13 ↗ same way we would hope and encourage

51:16 ↗ general dropin use yes when they're

51:19 ↗ scheduled. We're hoping to configure

51:21 ↗ spaces that even as a a practice is

51:23 ↗ happening, there's still space for some

51:27 ↗ drop in um activity to to be happening.

51:31 ↗ >> And you had a question too.

51:32 ↗ >> Yeah. Just um with the focus that

51:35 ↗ everyone has on Tibbitz, right? Um I'm

51:37 ↗ wondering if it's sticky to bring up

51:40 ↗ projects that are going to happen in

51:41 ↗ Tibbitz

51:43 ↗ without the full vision. Right. So,

51:48 ↗ because you said we're going to do the

51:49 ↗ full visioning first and then we would

51:52 ↗ >> talk about this playground and the dog

51:53 ↗ park. There's so much more that needs to

51:55 ↗ go into tippets. And I'm wondering if we

51:58 ↗ bring it up in the bond proposal if

52:00 ↗ people are going to have expectations

52:02 ↗ beyond just the park and they're going

52:05 ↗ to expect a full

52:08 ↗ >> redesign

52:08 ↗ >> a full redesign of Tibbitz coming out

52:12 ↗ which it's not

52:13 ↗ >> not just design but you're saying

52:15 ↗ construction

52:15 ↗ >> a full construction like I I feel like

52:18 ↗ um people who don't read all the way

52:22 ↗ >> and who are very invested into Tibids or

52:26 ↗ maybe have, right? They're just going to

52:28 ↗ expect that that's what this money is

52:30 ↗ for.

52:30 ↗ >> That's a really good a really good

52:32 ↗ point. I I I know and again I I would

52:34 ↗ open this up to to the the rest of you.

52:38 ↗ I I think there was some comments

52:40 ↗ saying, "Hey, Tibbitz is so tired and

52:45 ↗ even though we can't fully fund it,

52:48 ↗ >> there's something

52:48 ↗ >> this is an opportunity. How do we how do

52:50 ↗ we initiate at least a a first degree of

52:52 ↗ investment into that part?" So it it's a

52:56 ↗ but it's a great point that if if the if

52:58 ↗ they do remain and I think you're right

53:01 ↗ how we package it and communicate these

53:03 ↗ more as amenities than the park.

53:08 ↗ >> Great.

53:08 ↗ >> These are these are two amenities being

53:10 ↗ incorporated into a park. It's not the

53:13 ↗ full park. But it's a great that's a

53:15 ↗ great point.

53:16 ↗ >> So it's it's almost like we're trying to

53:18 ↗ nod to those people who care about

53:20 ↗ Tibbitz.

53:22 ↗ Like we're we're trying to say yeah we

53:23 ↗ hear you. We're trying to update it. We

53:25 ↗ can't fully do it.

53:26 ↗ >> Yeah.

53:27 ↗ >> So, we're gonna start with this in this

53:30 ↗ bond.

53:30 ↗ >> Yeah.

53:31 ↗ >> And then we'll need extra. Okay.

53:32 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah. So, thought I know Martha,

53:34 ↗ you had some thoughts a couple months

53:37 ↗ ago.

53:38 ↗ >> No, I think that's really a good point

53:40 ↗ actually that there should be

53:45 ↗ talked about enhancement. You know,

53:47 ↗ >> we all have I'm sure we all have our own

53:49 ↗ vision of what big time should look

53:52 ↗ like. So I think yeah

53:57 ↗ >> ask a question on a turfield yes

53:58 ↗ >> situation given

54:01 ↗ that u

54:04 ↗ I understand what you're doing here

54:05 ↗ conceptually and use

54:07 ↗ the size of those fields is there an

54:11 ↗ opportunity to then rent those out

54:14 ↗ during the soccer seasons to like is it

54:18 ↗ called whatever it is

54:20 ↗ >> that does like the smaller pitches is

54:23 ↗ that they just pop up in random.

54:24 ↗ >> Absolutely. Ma is absolutely we would we

54:29 ↗ we rent to my goodness numerous soccer

54:33 ↗ clubs, numerous lacrosse clubs,

54:34 ↗ numerous, you know, baseball groups. So,

54:37 ↗ you know, this would be a space that we

54:38 ↗ would make available for renting.

54:40 ↗ >> But at its current format

54:44 ↗ is the only thing being rented at those

54:45 ↗ elementary is T-ball size baseball or is

54:48 ↗ there more

54:49 ↗ >> potentially? I don't know. We don't we

54:51 ↗ don't schedule those. So that's the

54:52 ↗ school district. Yeah. And so I think

54:54 ↗ they're I think they're very

54:56 ↗ >> I think it's very limited in terms of

54:58 ↗ organized sports that are utilizing

55:00 ↗ those fields. I think they're they're

55:02 ↗ very underutilized in terms of after

55:05 ↗ school weekend use.

55:08 ↗ >> So theory if you get the multi-use

55:10 ↗ agreement plus you invest this money

55:13 ↗ you're actually

55:15 ↗ realizing most of the piece whatever

55:17 ↗ you're split with the

55:19 ↗ >> Yeah. It would be Yeah. Yeah. 100% of

55:22 ↗ that revenue would come back to

55:24 ↗ maintaining since we would be

55:26 ↗ maintaining the facility. And what we do

55:29 ↗ with all of our turf synthetic turf

55:31 ↗ revenue is half of it goes into a turf

55:33 ↗ replacement program. So that again, you

55:36 ↗ know, to some of Steve's questions,

55:38 ↗ let's have some of let's have that

55:40 ↗ revenue and that use paying for what we

55:43 ↗ know as that system ages and needs and

55:46 ↗ needs reinvestment. Um,

55:50 ↗ so

55:50 ↗ >> yeah,

55:52 ↗ and Clark are just dirt like they don't

55:54 ↗ even have grass.

55:56 ↗ >> So like the fact that like

56:00 ↗ >> just add a really super quick question,

56:01 ↗ Jeff. Um, how about um one thing that

56:04 ↗ I'm worried about though. How about

56:06 ↗ facilities like bathrooms you're talking

56:08 ↗ about? Is that part of the plan? The

56:10 ↗ 9.25

56:12 ↗ >> for those elementary schools. this would

56:15 ↗ a new restroom would not be part of

56:17 ↗ that. We would need to work with the

56:18 ↗ school district and figure out what do

56:20 ↗ either you know portable restrooms or

56:23 ↗ you know some alternative okay

56:25 ↗ >> look like at least in this first phase.

56:27 ↗ I I you know I think as we look at

56:30 ↗ squeezing as much

56:32 ↗ um value and functionality out of out of

56:36 ↗ this investment we'd see it going

56:38 ↗ towards the the field itself and then

56:40 ↗ maybe a future phase is taking again

56:43 ↗ what would be maybe portable restrooms

56:45 ↗ and converting those into um a permanent

56:48 ↗ restroom.

56:52 ↗ All good questions.

56:56 ↗ don't have all the answers. And I think

56:58 ↗ this is important to know. We we as

57:00 ↗ staff wouldn't want all the answers,

57:01 ↗ right? If we're thinking of a package of

57:03 ↗ investments like this and and you know,

57:05 ↗ as I've shared multiple times, we would

57:08 ↗ still plan on doing community engagement

57:10 ↗ on all of these projects during the

57:12 ↗ design phase to really help have the

57:15 ↗ community help inform um some of those

57:17 ↗ design uh decisions um in getting uh

57:20 ↗ this done.

57:24 ↗ other near-term uh priorities that came

57:26 ↗ out of the park system plan that are

57:28 ↗ identified in the park system plan as

57:30 ↗ near-term priorities. If you looked at

57:32 ↗ page I don't have it marked anymore. Um,

57:36 ↗ I can get you the page number.

57:39 ↗ Turn

57:41 ↗ page.

57:45 ↗ Don't have my readers on. 86. Um, shows

57:49 ↗ the list of near-term uh projects. Um,

57:53 ↗ Anthology Linear Park. Um, that is um

57:57 ↗ off of Newport. The Anthology Apartments

58:00 ↗ uh currently functioning as a trail.

58:02 ↗ There's a boardwalk that puts you out

58:04 ↗ sort of right by Formula Brewing.

58:06 ↗ There's two really small nodes of grass

58:08 ↗ that um are some opportunities for um

58:11 ↗ investment there.

58:13 ↗ Hillside Park Loop Trail, you're

58:15 ↗ familiar with that. Um um has a a pretty

58:19 ↗ high level of complexity uh still and

58:22 ↗ trying to figure out um

58:25 ↗ a number of of issues. Um it doesn't

58:28 ↗ feel completely ready. Pickering Barn

58:30 ↗ Park is really the the lawn area around

58:34 ↗ Pickering Barn um is opportunity for

58:38 ↗ something knowing there's not a lot of

58:41 ↗ residential in that area right now. Um

58:44 ↗ we felt geographically um some other

58:47 ↗ projects um and investments felt more

58:50 ↗ compelling in terms of uh benefiting

58:53 ↗ residents and being nearby and closer to

58:55 ↗ residents. Um

58:57 ↗ >> although there's that big townhouse unit

59:00 ↗ that's going on just like a block

59:03 ↗ right next to where the the isos

59:05 ↗ district.

59:07 ↗ >> Oh, a couple blocks to the north. Right.

59:10 ↗ >> It's just like right there.

59:11 ↗ >> Sort of on the on the east side of the

59:14 ↗ state park.

59:16 ↗ >> Yeah.

59:18 ↗ >> Huge.

59:19 ↗ >> Yeah, good point. Um Squawk Valley Park

59:23 ↗ redevelopments. That's our park furthest

59:26 ↗ south. I think we've talked, you know,

59:28 ↗ that was built 20 years ago. Um there's

59:33 ↗ I think what was intended as small

59:35 ↗ athletic fields, it isn't really

59:38 ↗ functioning um as it could. And so

59:42 ↗ you're familiar with with some of those

59:44 ↗ questions. Um lots of questions. Again,

59:48 ↗ um I think one of the biggest questions

59:49 ↗ of Squawk Valley Park is access. um

59:51 ↗ getting to and from um given um travel

59:55 ↗ times etc. Uh Veterans Memorial Depot

59:58 ↗ Park, we're familiar with that

1:00:00 ↗ redevelopment really that second phase

1:00:02 ↗ of and the next phase or couple phases

1:00:05 ↗ of the pedestrian park senior center

1:00:08 ↗ plaza project. Um I would not call that

1:00:11 ↗ mediumsiz um project. Um, a new

1:00:15 ↗ neighborhood park in West uh, Isa

1:00:17 ↗ Highlands as residential is really

1:00:20 ↗ taking or what was planned on the west

1:00:23 ↗ side of Highlands Drive as um, um,

1:00:27 ↗ corporate and office space way back

1:00:30 ↗ isn't that it's now residential. Uh,

1:00:32 ↗ there's not really a public neighborhood

1:00:34 ↗ park on that side of the park. This has

1:00:36 ↗ been identified as a a near-term and

1:00:39 ↗ medium-term. We've actually identified a

1:00:41 ↗ piece of city-owned property. Uh but

1:00:43 ↗ again the development of a brand new

1:00:45 ↗ neighborhood park brings with it a a

1:00:47 ↗ much higher cost.

1:00:50 ↗ So it's more scale. Mountains of sand

1:00:52 ↗ greenway trail remains a near-term

1:00:54 ↗ priority. All these remain a near-term

1:00:55 ↗ priority. Um that work is predominantly

1:00:58 ↗ going to be done on rideway. Um so you

1:01:02 ↗ know sidewalk type work uh that brings

1:01:05 ↗ with it a very high cost. also brings

1:01:07 ↗ with it. You wouldn't want to sequence

1:01:10 ↗ um trail sidewalk work. If uh in a

1:01:13 ↗ couple years there's road work that

1:01:16 ↗ needs to be done um you'd want to

1:01:19 ↗ incorporate that with um with um street

1:01:23 ↗ investment, transportation um

1:01:25 ↗ investments. Uh and then though not in

1:01:28 ↗ our park plan, certainly part of the

1:01:30 ↗ feasibility study we did in 2022 and

1:01:32 ↗ 2023, um expansion of the Julius Bone

1:01:35 ↗ Pool, we want to um remind council of of

1:01:38 ↗ that also as an identified near-term

1:01:41 ↗ priority.

1:01:47 ↗ Continuing on on that sort of this

1:01:48 ↗ project side of questions that council

1:01:50 ↗ had um um the next set of questions they

1:01:54 ↗ had really pertained to all right what

1:01:56 ↗ if we didn't just do a renewal what what

1:01:59 ↗ if what if the size of the ask was a

1:02:01 ↗ little bigger what could we get done

1:02:04 ↗ this is not meant to be the only three

1:02:06 ↗ options like I said earlier there's

1:02:07 ↗ probably there's 50 scenarios that could

1:02:09 ↗ be created but this is really meant to

1:02:11 ↗ kind of think of some bookends

1:02:14 ↗ um uh the first um option is really the

1:02:18 ↗ one we just talked through and that's um

1:02:21 ↗ and we'll be clear with council that

1:02:22 ↗ right now is is mayor and

1:02:24 ↗ administration's recommended rate that

1:02:26 ↗ we keep this as a renewal um at 8 cents

1:02:30 ↗ per 10,000 of assessed valuation

1:02:32 ↗ uh what that would project in revenue in

1:02:35 ↗ combination of the bond proceeds and

1:02:37 ↗ park impact fees uh that we could

1:02:39 ↗ leverage it with and grants uh we're at

1:02:41 ↗ 23 to $24 million package uh that would

1:02:46 ↗ complete the package of projects we just

1:02:49 ↗ talked through

1:02:53 ↗ if we were to consider doubling that

1:02:56 ↗ from 8 cents to 16 cents. So what this

1:02:59 ↗ translates to is at 8 cents per 1000 if

1:03:02 ↗ you own a million dollar home just to

1:03:04 ↗ use round numbers. Um uh this is really

1:03:08 ↗ a request to voters to say with this

1:03:10 ↗ bond expiring, do you want your $80 a

1:03:12 ↗ year back or would you like to continue

1:03:15 ↗ reinvesting your $80 a year in this next

1:03:19 ↗ wave of park bond

1:03:22 ↗ with 16 cents? We'd basically be saying,

1:03:24 ↗ "Hey voters, would you like to keep your

1:03:28 ↗ $80

1:03:30 ↗ instead of having your $80 back, keep

1:03:32 ↗ your $80 investment and add 80 more

1:03:34 ↗ dollars,

1:03:36 ↗ 80 new dollars to that to to translate

1:03:40 ↗ to a 47 48, you know, just under $50

1:03:44 ↗ million package that again in in concept

1:03:48 ↗ could accomplish all that was done in

1:03:50 ↗ the 8 cent package plus do the Julius

1:03:54 ↗ Bone pool expansion. Um, put another

1:03:58 ↗ way,

1:04:00 ↗ the 8 cents could come close to doing

1:04:02 ↗ the pool expansion and that's it. Um,

1:04:06 ↗ but if there was a desire to do a

1:04:08 ↗ combination thereof, we would look at

1:04:10 ↗ needing to really double that rate. Um,

1:04:15 ↗ another option, again,

1:04:19 ↗ there's a million scenarios within this.

1:04:21 ↗ If we were to sort of cut that or split

1:04:24 ↗ the split the difference and say, "Hey,

1:04:25 ↗ what's a 12 cent per levy?" So, again,

1:04:29 ↗ reinvest your $80

1:04:32 ↗ on that $80 a year on that million-doll

1:04:34 ↗ home and add another $40

1:04:37 ↗ um

1:04:39 ↗ to get a 12cent package. That again is

1:04:42 ↗ right in the middle. somewhere in the

1:04:44 ↗ $34 million range. Um, you know, in that

1:04:48 ↗ scenario, we could complete uh the

1:04:50 ↗ package of projects above plus some

1:04:52 ↗ other of those near-term priorities. Um,

1:04:55 ↗ any combination of not meant to say that

1:04:57 ↗ those three are the are the ones, but

1:05:00 ↗ wouldn't necessarily fund a pool

1:05:02 ↗ expansion or you could do the pool

1:05:05 ↗ expansion and a smaller combination of

1:05:08 ↗ the 8 cent the 8 cent projects. Um, this

1:05:12 ↗ is really meant to just facilitate some

1:05:14 ↗ conversation here tonight, but also

1:05:16 ↗ facilitate conversation with council.

1:05:19 ↗ Um, I'll show this other slide uh to

1:05:22 ↗ really as as we've analyzed options. We

1:05:25 ↗ don't mean to say we know, we haven't

1:05:27 ↗ done we don't necessarily have time to

1:05:29 ↗ do scientific sample surveying with the

1:05:31 ↗ community. Um, it's important to

1:05:33 ↗ remember any any park bond package

1:05:36 ↗ requires 60% voter approval and not 50%.

1:05:40 ↗ Um so as we start looking at that um

1:05:44 ↗ administration and mayor um are really

1:05:47 ↗ rem recommending that 8 cent uh levy

1:05:50 ↗ rate um that $80

1:05:53 ↗ um renewal um um because it is a renewal

1:05:58 ↗ that maintains the current re levy rate.

1:06:00 ↗ We're not asking voters for additional

1:06:04 ↗ funding on top of it. We feel like

1:06:06 ↗ that's a much simpler financial message

1:06:10 ↗ to give to voters. Um

1:06:13 ↗ it would still result in 20, you know,

1:06:16 ↗ $24 million would still result in the

1:06:19 ↗ largest park investment package um that

1:06:22 ↗ this city's made through a a a very

1:06:26 ↗ strong successful history of park bond

1:06:29 ↗ renewals or park bond uh funding for uh

1:06:32 ↗ for park projects here in Isiqua. Uh,

1:06:35 ↗ and then lastly, and I think it's really

1:06:36 ↗ important, it leaves room for other

1:06:37 ↗ voter approved funding requests in the

1:06:39 ↗ future. This isn't this would be a

1:06:41 ↗ renewal. We're not this isn't eating

1:06:43 ↗ into the city's debt capacity. There'd

1:06:47 ↗ still be debt capacity for some other

1:06:50 ↗ future measure. Um, not to say that this

1:06:53 ↗ is going to happen, but for example,

1:06:54 ↗ that 2013 park bond that too will expire

1:07:00 ↗ um um could expire in 2033. So that's

1:07:04 ↗ not too far from now. Um, you know, is

1:07:08 ↗ that an opportunity for another park

1:07:10 ↗ bond renewal after, you know, these

1:07:12 ↗ these projects are being done or some

1:07:14 ↗ other some other funding package? Um, so

1:07:17 ↗ with all of those um sort of

1:07:19 ↗ considerations, there's a a feeling

1:07:22 ↗ right now that staying at the 8 cents

1:07:25 ↗ presents a um a a

1:07:29 ↗ robust yet relatively simple message.

1:07:33 ↗ thoughts, questions on this slide, even

1:07:36 ↗ feedback on this slide would be super

1:07:37 ↗ helpful as I'm gonna be presenting this

1:07:39 ↗ to council tomorrow night. So, um

1:07:44 ↗ >> I just think benchmarking is

1:07:46 ↗ interesting, right? It's Katie was just

1:07:48 ↗ showing me like what happened Belleview

1:07:50 ↗ has did a 20 cent bond

1:07:53 ↗ that they did in 2023. And then I

1:07:55 ↗ >> I'll get to that slide. Yeah.

1:07:58 ↗ Yeah. Oh, it's okay. Yeah.

1:08:00 ↗ >> And then King's was 23 cents. that had

1:08:03 ↗ 70% passing. Right.

1:08:05 ↗ >> Right. But those were Yeah. Yeah. We'll

1:08:08 ↗ we'll get to that coming up. Yep.

1:08:12 ↗ >> Can you just explain the grants and

1:08:14 ↗ other how you get to those numbers

1:08:16 ↗ because right the seven So you have your

1:08:19 ↗ 17 million bond proceeds with three

1:08:21 ↗ million grants

1:08:23 ↗ >> and then you double it, right? But

1:08:27 ↗ but instead of three, you you get 10

1:08:30 ↗ million grants. So you're getting more

1:08:32 ↗ bang for your buck with grants

1:08:34 ↗ >> potentially. Again, this is all

1:08:35 ↗ conceptual. Again, the re the reason for

1:08:38 ↗ it is if we were to do the pool

1:08:41 ↗ expansion is not going to happen solely

1:08:43 ↗ this month, but we're going to need that

1:08:44 ↗ that

1:08:45 ↗ >> that pool project alone, we'll need to

1:08:48 ↗ go get additional grant money.

1:08:51 ↗ >> So whether that's uh through the school

1:08:53 ↗ district, whether that's through King

1:08:55 ↗ County, um you know, this isn't meant to

1:08:58 ↗ say it's guaranteed. Hey, it's a law.

1:09:01 ↗ This is really just meant to try and

1:09:03 ↗ project um how might we leverage those

1:09:06 ↗ proceeds and and not just the proceeds,

1:09:08 ↗ but how do we leverage the projects that

1:09:10 ↗ we're trying to get done?

1:09:12 ↗ >> Right. So, it's not you're right. It

1:09:14 ↗ could have been simpler math would have

1:09:16 ↗ just said, hey, $6 million, you know,

1:09:19 ↗ we're just going to proportionally say

1:09:20 ↗ six. Um this is really meant to say hey

1:09:24 ↗ to to you know a project like a pool

1:09:27 ↗ expansion we really think and would want

1:09:30 ↗ that a project of that size and scale to

1:09:32 ↗ leverage

1:09:33 ↗ additional grant money.

1:09:36 ↗ >> I think that it it could um

1:09:40 ↗ >> Jeff I'm gonna um I hope this is

1:09:42 ↗ helpful. I built slides for living. So

1:09:46 ↗ >> I'm wondering if maybe you want to in

1:09:49 ↗ the top there like something like

1:09:51 ↗ potential scenario

1:09:53 ↗ >> over options because options I look at

1:09:56 ↗ options and I think which one

1:09:57 ↗ >> oh that's the only one

1:09:58 ↗ >> do I want and and that there are these

1:10:01 ↗ three options. So you may want to just

1:10:04 ↗ >> No, that's a great that's a great point.

1:10:06 ↗ Thank you. Because they're not meant to

1:10:07 ↗ No, don't because they're not meant to

1:10:10 ↗ be like I said like single. This is it.

1:10:13 ↗ These are

1:10:15 ↗ >> scenarios is a much better word. Thank

1:10:16 ↗ you.

1:10:18 ↗ >> Um,

1:10:20 ↗ so

1:10:21 ↗ I'm looking at the packets of projects

1:10:23 ↗ in the first just the first bucket

1:10:25 ↗ there, if you will.

1:10:30 ↗ >> I get the egg house is

1:10:32 ↗ would be cool and everything. I just

1:10:34 ↗ don't know. It just doesn't jump out.

1:10:37 ↗ >> It doesn't jump out at me. And like I is

1:10:40 ↗ that really the first thing we want to

1:10:41 ↗ lead with? You know, I just feel like

1:10:42 ↗ what's the real you know what

1:10:44 ↗ >> what is the thing that's really going to

1:10:47 ↗ move the needle for our community or the

1:10:49 ↗ most of people in our community.

1:10:51 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:10:51 ↗ >> With this and the e house is not going

1:10:53 ↗ to do it.

1:10:54 ↗ >> No, that's you're right. And there was

1:10:55 ↗ no intentions,

1:10:57 ↗ >> you know,

1:10:57 ↗ >> you would sequence it different.

1:10:58 ↗ >> I would sequence it differently. And I

1:11:00 ↗ great black city council members who

1:11:03 ↗ are, you know, family members or had,

1:11:06 ↗ you know, or raised their family here.

1:11:08 ↗ And we got to go after family. You got

1:11:10 ↗ to go after,

1:11:11 ↗ >> you know, just those community park

1:11:13 ↗ amenities on the athletic fields in my

1:11:15 ↗ mind, I think, are the the the most

1:11:17 ↗ important.

1:11:20 ↗ >> Whole trail thing. You know, I'm a big

1:11:22 ↗ hiker. Of course, I would love that to

1:11:23 ↗ happen as well, but man, I think that's

1:11:27 ↗ that's what we're really we're really

1:11:29 ↗ striving for here, honestly. I think

1:11:31 ↗ >> No, thank you, Martha. You're absolutely

1:11:32 ↗ right. Yeah, and I think as we've talked

1:11:34 ↗ through this, we we've had no

1:11:37 ↗ intentionality of sequencing or or

1:11:40 ↗ marketing these. But you're right, from

1:11:42 ↗ a okay, what are the what are the

1:11:46 ↗ central points of this project?

1:11:50 ↗ the role of a citizen group because

1:11:52 ↗ again I I think just to talk through the

1:11:54 ↗ scenario right it's

1:11:55 ↗ >> at a point again if there's consensus

1:11:58 ↗ around this and if this is something

1:12:00 ↗ that council wants to put on the ballot

1:12:02 ↗ and feels compelling like hey this is

1:12:05 ↗ we're we're going to do this um once

1:12:08 ↗ council passes that resolution

1:12:12 ↗ um it's really the role of staff is is

1:12:15 ↗ educator

1:12:17 ↗ And the role of campaign fundraising,

1:12:21 ↗ buying the signs, sign waving is done by

1:12:26 ↗ a citizen group, right? That that again,

1:12:29 ↗ you know, that's sort of this next, as I

1:12:32 ↗ was saying, that that that that

1:12:34 ↗ transition of staff voice begins to

1:12:36 ↗ diminish, community voice becomes really

1:12:38 ↗ really important. I think you're spot on

1:12:40 ↗ and you're and you're jumping right to

1:12:42 ↗ that. Like

1:12:44 ↗ I can't sell this project,

1:12:46 ↗ >> right? you as a community if if this is

1:12:48 ↗ the bill and you want to do it, you're

1:12:50 ↗ the ones

1:12:51 ↗ >> selling the

1:12:54 ↗ No, thank you and thank you and and yes,

1:12:58 ↗ I I I will work with that citizen group,

1:13:03 ↗ but my role is

1:13:05 ↗ >> to stay in my lane. Yeah.

1:13:06 ↗ >> Right. I hear you say is this word sold

1:13:09 ↗ on the I feel like we keep using it as

1:13:11 ↗ the example of the thing that everyone's

1:13:12 ↗ like

1:13:15 ↗ >> say that again

1:13:16 ↗ >> I do but

1:13:18 ↗ >> I'm just wanting to know like get us in

1:13:19 ↗ this group if we're the ones who are

1:13:20 ↗ going to sell this but I feel like every

1:13:22 ↗ time we have a meeting everyone's like

1:13:23 ↗ well I don't know about the echo like

1:13:26 ↗ >> yeah I I like

1:13:28 ↗ >> every time I walk and drive compost park

1:13:31 ↗ is one my favorite part so every time I

1:13:32 ↗ walk there drive by it park there walk

1:13:35 ↗ the kids and walk back whatever I just

1:13:37 ↗ think to myself, man, this could be

1:13:38 ↗ something really cool.

1:13:39 ↗ >> Like, man, this could be something

1:13:40 ↗ really cool for this community.

1:13:42 ↗ >> It also wouldn't be boarded up and

1:13:45 ↗ burnt.

1:13:46 ↗ >> And I I think it could be something

1:13:48 ↗ really cool. And I think,

1:13:50 ↗ >> you know, similar, you go down there and

1:13:52 ↗ there's like I forget what it's called,

1:13:53 ↗ but like there's the concerts, you know,

1:13:55 ↗ down there. So, you could you could

1:13:57 ↗ really incorporate that into the space

1:13:59 ↗ and have it be be something cool. And I

1:14:02 ↗ think one of the things I like about it

1:14:04 ↗ along with some of these others is like

1:14:06 ↗ when you're going up to community and

1:14:07 ↗ saying, "Hey, we want you to invest in

1:14:09 ↗ this." It's another one of the projects

1:14:11 ↗ where you can invest in it and then it

1:14:12 ↗ can get more revenue.

1:14:15 ↗ >> Oh, absolutely.

1:14:17 ↗ >> But no, I I like that. I'm probably

1:14:21 ↗ like

1:14:22 ↗ >> I keep being like,

1:14:24 ↗ are we sneaking in the or we all like

1:14:26 ↗ the right?

1:14:27 ↗ >> Great question. Great question. And I I

1:14:30 ↗ would like just like to kind of point

1:14:32 ↗ out, you know, we all have our own tech

1:14:35 ↗ projectile, right? I mean, we we all see

1:14:37 ↗ that. And so the big question we should

1:14:39 ↗ ask ourselves is is that we're here to

1:14:41 ↗ represent the community,

1:14:43 ↗ >> the the people of this town. And the

1:14:46 ↗ reality is is that we have younger

1:14:48 ↗ families and we have high school

1:14:50 ↗ students or you know students and older

1:14:53 ↗ people who they I mean the the for me

1:14:57 ↗ Julius B school expansion should be up

1:14:59 ↗ there and and it's because you know it's

1:15:03 ↗ it's um we live with trails mountains

1:15:06 ↗ but we have Lake Washington every year

1:15:09 ↗ we hear of um drownings you know and so

1:15:13 ↗ so swimming and and an opportunity to

1:15:15 ↗ teach young people how to swim. It's

1:15:18 ↗ it's important and and I feel like um

1:15:23 ↗ that is something that we should really

1:15:25 ↗ be focusing on and and um you know for

1:15:29 ↗ those who could afford to buy um

1:15:31 ↗ memberships, they could, you know, go to

1:15:33 ↗ Edgebrook or they could go to Samina and

1:15:35 ↗ whatnot, but not everybody has that kind

1:15:38 ↗ of means. And so we look toward a

1:15:41 ↗ community pool as a, you know, for older

1:15:44 ↗ people to look at it for exercise, you

1:15:45 ↗ know, lap swimming, um, high school

1:15:48 ↗ kids, you know, to like unwind.

1:15:50 ↗ >> Yes.

1:15:51 ↗ >> Um, and it just a good skills and it

1:15:54 ↗ talk about making it equitable because

1:15:57 ↗ not every family can have their kids

1:16:00 ↗ enroll in the is plus one team, right?

1:16:03 ↗ So they they rely on

1:16:06 ↗ the community pool to um enroll their

1:16:09 ↗ kids into summer camps and stuff like

1:16:10 ↗ that. So for me I I I get it. Everybody

1:16:13 ↗ is passionate because we we want what we

1:16:16 ↗ want. But the thing is we need to look

1:16:18 ↗ at what what will serve the whole

1:16:21 ↗ community from old to young and to to be

1:16:25 ↗ inclusive.

1:16:30 ↗ Is there a way to split the pool

1:16:33 ↗ thing to get it funded? Like

1:16:35 ↗ >> that's what I was wondering too. Like

1:16:36 ↗ could we split the pool off and like

1:16:38 ↗ just try to get the pool funded too?

1:16:40 ↗ >> Think that that would like

1:16:43 ↗ >> I feel like that I'm with you. It's so

1:16:45 ↗ tired.

1:16:45 ↗ >> Can I interject for just a second? I'm

1:16:47 ↗ sorry. Diana, I saw you had your hand up

1:16:49 ↗ for a little while and it just went off

1:16:52 ↗ and I just want to make sure you have

1:16:53 ↗ the opportunity to speak because we

1:16:55 ↗ can't see you and you can't see us.

1:16:57 ↗ >> Oh yeah, we can't see each other. Well,

1:16:58 ↗ thank you. Um, I don't know. I felt like

1:17:00 ↗ the time for commenting had passed

1:17:01 ↗ because I also wanted to talk about the

1:17:03 ↗ e house.

1:17:05 ↗ >> Okay, I'll go get back to Katie's point.

1:17:07 ↗ Yeah.

1:17:08 ↗ >> Say again.

1:17:09 ↗ >> Go for it. It's your turn.

1:17:11 ↗ >> Oh, sure. I mean, I I person I don't

1:17:15 ↗ know. Are we really a minority? I really

1:17:17 ↗ favor the idea. Um, I think envisioning

1:17:20 ↗ it as an event space seems like it fills

1:17:24 ↗ a niche that needs to be filled because

1:17:28 ↗ I see a lot of events are scheduled at

1:17:29 ↗ Pickering Barn and that's not a location

1:17:32 ↗ that's particularly central to Isakqua.

1:17:34 ↗ It's like north of I90. It's way in a uh

1:17:39 ↗ kind of corporate business park and it's

1:17:41 ↗ just not it's like not in the heart of

1:17:43 ↗ the community. So, I think having an

1:17:45 ↗ additional community space would be

1:17:47 ↗ really nice.

1:17:50 ↗ Thank you. If you you really want to

1:17:52 ↗ have a um journey one afternoon is you

1:17:54 ↗ can go look at the park board minutes

1:17:57 ↗ from somewhere in I think mid 2021 and

1:18:00 ↗ you can find the rendering of it.

1:18:04 ↗ >> Oh um I I think that was actually

1:18:06 ↗ presented in a previous set of slides or

1:18:08 ↗ something. Am I wrong? Am I

1:18:09 ↗ hallucinating this?

1:18:11 ↗ >> No, you're right, D. That

1:18:12 ↗ >> okay. Yeah,

1:18:13 ↗ >> the April the April council presentation

1:18:15 ↗ I utilized.

1:18:16 ↗ >> Yes, that's right.

1:18:18 ↗ Yeah. Yeah. So Katie, excellent points.

1:18:24 ↗ Yeah. The the the pool um is extremely

1:18:28 ↗ popular and overprescribed in many ways

1:18:31 ↗ and and I think the opportunity for

1:18:34 ↗ expansion is certainly

1:18:36 ↗ not only compelling, but I I it it does

1:18:40 ↗ remain a priority. And and

1:18:45 ↗ I think as as we're trying to look at

1:18:48 ↗ this renewal and what this renewal can

1:18:50 ↗ capture, I again I I'm open and want to

1:18:54 ↗ hear discussion

1:18:56 ↗ because I we're in a game of tradeoffs,

1:18:59 ↗ right? So is the pool

1:19:03 ↗ singular and and you know what what can

1:19:05 ↗ be done for this eight cents, right? How

1:19:08 ↗ do we and I think that's sort of the

1:19:09 ↗ first question is is do we consider

1:19:13 ↗ asking voters for renewal and if we do

1:19:17 ↗ what package can be presented to

1:19:19 ↗ residents that gives

1:19:21 ↗ diversity for that 8 cents? Um

1:19:26 ↗ it if if

1:19:30 ↗ we wanted to

1:19:32 ↗ add the pool and do a little less I get

1:19:35 ↗ that's these scenarios. Thank you. Not

1:19:38 ↗ options. These scenarios,

1:19:40 ↗ I think, try and represent that tradeoff

1:19:43 ↗ of do we think there's enough time

1:19:45 ↗ between now and November

1:19:48 ↗ to to define the problem, define the

1:19:52 ↗ opportunity, and not only ask voters to

1:19:54 ↗ renew that $80, but ask them for more

1:19:58 ↗ money. Um,

1:20:01 ↗ and have 60% of them say yes. Do do we

1:20:04 ↗ think we have the time to do that? Um,

1:20:10 ↗ to Marlene's question of do do we

1:20:13 ↗ consider a separate vote, there's I'm

1:20:16 ↗ not a I'm not a campaign strategist, but

1:20:18 ↗ I've certainly heard enough and I've

1:20:20 ↗ been in enough been enough seminars to

1:20:23 ↗ know there's often challenges when the

1:20:25 ↗ same jurisdiction presents two ballot

1:20:28 ↗ measures. They often compete with one

1:20:30 ↗ another

1:20:31 ↗ >> and sometimes they in a way almost dimin

1:20:34 ↗ they pick each other off. Well, I'm not

1:20:36 ↗ going to do that one. I'm going to do

1:20:37 ↗ that one. And neither get 60. Neither

1:20:40 ↗ get 60. They both get 54 or 55. Right.

1:20:44 ↗ So, um, there's just I think we're

1:20:48 ↗ trying to be and and the current

1:20:51 ↗ economic state that we're in nationally

1:20:55 ↗ and locally. Um,

1:20:59 ↗ again, if we're to ask voters for

1:21:01 ↗ something, it feels

1:21:04 ↗ more strategic and more realistic to

1:21:06 ↗ say, "Hey, we're voters, we're really

1:21:08 ↗ interested in um," again, I I'm totally

1:21:11 ↗ oversimplifying, but would you like your

1:21:14 ↗ $80 in your back or would you like to

1:21:16 ↗ have that $80 to do something it could

1:21:19 ↗ never do on its own? keep that $80 being

1:21:22 ↗ invested and and multiply with everyone

1:21:24 ↗ else's $80 to do at least a semblance of

1:21:29 ↗ some of some stuff.

1:21:31 ↗ >> It's just not a change, right? Like

1:21:32 ↗ they're already paying it.

1:21:34 ↗ >> What's that? They're already paying.

1:21:35 ↗ That's

1:21:37 ↗ >> Yeah,

1:21:38 ↗ >> exactly.

1:21:39 ↗ >> Whereas any of those other scenarios,

1:21:41 ↗ we'd be saying, "Hey, renew plus we want

1:21:44 ↗ some more. We want some additional

1:21:46 ↗ money." And that again just is a

1:21:48 ↗ financially harder and and in fact we'll

1:21:51 ↗ get to um and maybe I will segue just as

1:21:54 ↗ we're talking about.

1:21:56 ↗ >> Oh yeah.

1:21:57 ↗ >> Would you mind just going back to the

1:21:59 ↗ table?

1:22:00 ↗ >> Which one?

1:22:01 ↗ >> This one.

1:22:02 ↗ >> Yeah. They come

1:22:07 ↗ to the stop and ask your thought about

1:22:10 ↗ I'm cur specifically curious on that

1:22:13 ↗ package of projects

1:22:15 ↗ >> which those scenarios

1:22:19 ↗ >> interesting to you and do you have any

1:22:20 ↗ other thoughts about

1:22:23 ↗ >> Yeah. I mean, uh, I've definitely been

1:22:25 ↗ to Conf Park and definitely have, you

1:22:28 ↗ know, a lot of times they just walk

1:22:29 ↗ right by and they don't really realize

1:22:32 ↗ exactly what the house is. So, I

1:22:35 ↗ definitely think

1:22:36 ↗ >> it would be helpful because I think a

1:22:38 ↗ lot of people don't really know what the

1:22:40 ↗ use is, but I think, you know, uh, you

1:22:43 ↗ can,

1:22:44 ↗ >> you know, if it was passed, I feel like,

1:22:46 ↗ and it was improved, then many more

1:22:49 ↗ people would use it. Um,

1:22:51 ↗ >> are there any like are there like two to

1:22:53 ↗ three things on that list that you could

1:22:54 ↗ see you and your friends do?

1:22:57 ↗ >> Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean um I think you

1:22:59 ↗ know the athletic fields, the community

1:23:01 ↗ park amenities. Um yeah, I mean I think

1:23:04 ↗ obviously trails are uh a good thing but

1:23:08 ↗ I feel like uh you won't get as much

1:23:10 ↗ community uh like not as much of the

1:23:13 ↗ community using the trails as they are

1:23:15 ↗ using the athletic fields and the park

1:23:17 ↗ amenities. I think that those are just

1:23:20 ↗ going to be more beneficial to the

1:23:22 ↗ community.

1:23:26 ↗ >> Thanks for that.

1:23:26 ↗ >> A nice variety of stuff.

1:23:29 ↗ >> It is. Yeah,

1:23:30 ↗ >> that's the goal. I'm going to I'm going

1:23:32 ↗ to jump past vision. Uh we can jump back

1:23:34 ↗ to it, but I think this is more timely

1:23:37 ↗ with the conversation we're having. What

1:23:40 ↗ do we learn maybe from the last five

1:23:43 ↗ years? There are five ballot measures

1:23:46 ↗ that were taken by by different cities.

1:23:49 ↗ Some were levies, some were bonds. Um, I

1:23:53 ↗ would explain the difference. So, the

1:23:54 ↗ levy, a levy only takes 50%, but you can

1:23:58 ↗ only fund as you go. you can only, you

1:24:01 ↗ know, like the the you're you're able to

1:24:04 ↗ invest the proceeds year-over-year

1:24:08 ↗ versus a bond. You're asking for a

1:24:11 ↗ longer term and you're getting a a

1:24:14 ↗ bigger chunk of money up front. Um

1:24:16 ↗ you're you're you're putting money on a

1:24:18 ↗ credit card, if you will, and the and

1:24:21 ↗ the and the property the bond measure,

1:24:23 ↗ the the levy increase is paying off that

1:24:26 ↗ credit card. Um, super oversimplified

1:24:29 ↗ there. Uh, Shoreline did a 20-year park

1:24:32 ↗ bond. Um, a 20 cents. A portion of this

1:24:36 ↗ was a renewal. Um, um, and an and uh, an

1:24:40 ↗ expansion. Um, um, it, um, passed

1:24:45 ↗ highly. It was very, uh, the projects

1:24:48 ↗ were very much related to the priorities

1:24:50 ↗ within its city park plan. So again,

1:24:52 ↗ these weren't projects that came out of

1:24:54 ↗ nowhere. There's some certainly some

1:24:55 ↗ similarities there that that we're

1:24:57 ↗ trying to give a message. Uh Belleview

1:25:01 ↗ was a levy. Uh the term of that levy was

1:25:03 ↗ 9 years. Uh this was a renewal plus. So

1:25:08 ↗ it was a expiring levy at 12 cents uh

1:25:13 ↗ that they um um added 8 cents to to go

1:25:16 ↗ to 20 cents. It passed only by 55%. Um

1:25:21 ↗ uh this was a lot of maintenance and

1:25:22 ↗ operations and not necessar small amount

1:25:25 ↗ of capital projects. Um

1:25:28 ↗ um in talking with Belleview staff as

1:25:31 ↗ this was happening, I can tell you that

1:25:34 ↗ there was uh some community opposition

1:25:36 ↗ to the expansion piece. Um and it barely

1:25:39 ↗ a levy a levy only needs 50%. Um and so

1:25:44 ↗ there was some tension around this one

1:25:46 ↗ because of that increment of increase.

1:25:50 ↗ Um, Mercer Island similarly has

1:25:53 ↗ historically had a park levy that funds

1:25:56 ↗ a predominant amount of their

1:25:57 ↗ maintenance and operation. Again, this

1:25:59 ↗ is not a bond, but a a levy. Um um they

1:26:04 ↗ have a pretty heavy reliance. It's a

1:26:05 ↗ it's a pretty high levy rate at 86 cents

1:26:08 ↗ per 10,000. Um um again, a majority of

1:26:13 ↗ that was a renewal um passing at 64 uh%.

1:26:19 ↗ King County just recently last fall um

1:26:22 ↗ approved their six-year levy. This has

1:26:24 ↗ been a six-year levy that's been going

1:26:25 ↗ on since 2003. So, every six years since

1:26:28 ↗ 2003, King County has sent out its park

1:26:30 ↗ levy. You're all really familiar with

1:26:33 ↗ that.

1:26:34 ↗ Um that has grown over the years and is

1:26:38 ↗ now at 18 uh cents per 10,000.

1:26:42 ↗ uh that passed countywide at 72% passed

1:26:46 ↗ within Isiqua at 71%.

1:26:50 ↗ Um and then um in 2023

1:26:53 ↗ um Kirkland um sought a permanent park

1:26:57 ↗ levy at 28 cents per 10,000. Uh this was

1:27:01 ↗ a predominantly a a series of capital

1:27:05 ↗ improvements. Um most significantly a

1:27:07 ↗ new aquatic center and community center.

1:27:10 ↗ um um and a number of other projects um

1:27:14 ↗ had a lot of controversy, concern

1:27:19 ↗ um surrounding it um and uh failed at um

1:27:23 ↗ 40% approval.

1:27:27 ↗ Not here to pass judgment on any of

1:27:29 ↗ these, but just, you know, historically

1:27:32 ↗ that's some some context as as to other

1:27:35 ↗ and each of these communities has a

1:27:38 ↗ history with voter requests um and and

1:27:42 ↗ voter approved um measures related to

1:27:46 ↗ parks as well as other other funding

1:27:48 ↗ sources. But um

1:27:54 ↗ any questions? I know I think Marlene or

1:27:56 ↗ Katie, you might have had a question

1:27:57 ↗ related to this slide.

1:28:00 ↗ >> I was just more curious like what what

1:28:02 ↗ do we know? We don't have time because

1:28:03 ↗ we're not going to have time to do like

1:28:05 ↗ a statistically significant

1:28:07 ↗ >> polling and survey. Like what do we what

1:28:10 ↗ do we know?

1:28:10 ↗ >> Yeah. Yeah. What we do know is the city

1:28:12 ↗ of Isquas never asked for this high of a

1:28:15 ↗ levy rate. And any of these, you know,

1:28:17 ↗ 86 cents, 20 cents, 28 cents would

1:28:20 ↗ represent a much a much bigger ask than

1:28:23 ↗ isqua's ever asked.

1:28:25 ↗ >> Looking at this made made me feel like

1:28:28 ↗ why stop at 8 cents, right? I mean,

1:28:31 ↗ people 16, right?

1:28:32 ↗ >> And and and I think that, you know, it's

1:28:34 ↗ it's

1:28:35 ↗ >> just me. I I because people who live in

1:28:38 ↗ Isaba move to Isab because we love what

1:28:42 ↗ Isaba provides and and you know we talk

1:28:45 ↗ about inflation. I mean look at our

1:28:47 ↗ property taxes, right? So I I feel like

1:28:50 ↗ um it's it's not unreasonable for us to

1:28:55 ↗ expect, you know, go from 8 cents to

1:28:59 ↗ maybe 12 cents um to kind of maintain

1:29:03 ↗ what we have or maybe

1:29:05 ↗ >> add a little bit extra.

1:29:07 ↗ >> So um

1:29:08 ↗ >> good point.

1:29:09 ↗ >> You know, I yeah, I don't think it's

1:29:11 ↗ it's unreasonable.

1:29:12 ↗ >> And I don't Yeah. Yeah. Again, I the

1:29:16 ↗ only caution I would give is never asked

1:29:20 ↗ that, right? Each community has its

1:29:22 ↗ cadence. And so, um, what what is that

1:29:27 ↗ tolerance that Israel voters have that

1:29:29 ↗ 60% of Isabelle voters have? I I'll be

1:29:31 ↗ honest, I don't know. None of us know

1:29:35 ↗ >> and we haven't done and don't say again

1:29:37 ↗ have time to do it scientific sample.

1:29:42 ↗ >> We want it to pass.

1:29:45 ↗ Oh, no. I was just thinking

1:29:48 ↗ I mean even though these places pass

1:29:52 ↗ much much higher

1:29:54 ↗ well most of them um I

1:29:58 ↗ >> range

1:30:00 ↗ >> I do think that with inflation and with

1:30:06 ↗ the pinch that a lot of our families are

1:30:08 ↗ feeling. I mean, is aqua we we are a

1:30:12 ↗ very fortunate community. Um, but we

1:30:16 ↗ still have a really wide variety of

1:30:17 ↗ socioeconomic families here. Um,

1:30:22 ↗ I think asking for the 8 cents still

1:30:24 ↗ knowing that it's going to be able to do

1:30:25 ↗ a lot

1:30:28 ↗ will do, you know, is is maybe going to

1:30:30 ↗ be a really comfortable ask. Um, and

1:30:34 ↗ then having the door open because I feel

1:30:36 ↗ really strongly about. So, um, leaving

1:30:39 ↗ that open to ask for just that and to

1:30:43 ↗ rally and fight for that

1:30:45 ↗ >> the next go around like I'll be ready

1:30:47 ↗ for it, right? So, um, I'm like super I

1:30:52 ↗ I just

1:30:54 ↗ >> I don't know. My only concern would be,

1:30:56 ↗ you know, it's like you ask one and then

1:30:59 ↗ >> and then ask another one and it's like

1:31:02 ↗ some voters like when are they going to

1:31:04 ↗ stop, you know? So we

1:31:06 ↗ >> Yeah. And

1:31:07 ↗ >> but that's how we already feel.

1:31:09 ↗ >> Does it feel like we're

1:31:10 ↗ >> Yeah. I mean, but like what's our

1:31:12 ↗ assumption of do we have any assumptions

1:31:15 ↗ about we're at we we think we want to

1:31:17 ↗ ask this November and then when do we

1:31:21 ↗ assume the next ask would be the last

1:31:24 ↗ one was 2013 when so it's 2026 what I

1:31:28 ↗ mean so

1:31:30 ↗ >> okay again no no assumptions but you

1:31:33 ↗ know again I think that prior slide is

1:31:36 ↗ really to say to to keep this at 8 cents

1:31:39 ↗ keeps our remaining our our debt

1:31:41 ↗ capacity full, meaning it's not tapping

1:31:45 ↗ into new debt capacity. Um, I don't say

1:31:48 ↗ this as an assumption. I just say that

1:31:50 ↗ this is that 2013 bond is going to

1:31:52 ↗ expire

1:31:54 ↗ somewhere around 2033. Not to say we

1:31:57 ↗ have to wait that long, but you know

1:31:59 ↗ that that if if

1:32:02 ↗ asking voters to renew a bond becomes a

1:32:05 ↗ strategy worth considering, that is

1:32:09 ↗ certainly could be timing for another

1:32:12 ↗ one. I think another thing we have to be

1:32:14 ↗ really realistic with is just our own

1:32:17 ↗ staff capacity. We're not we're not a

1:32:20 ↗ large organization. And so if we wanted

1:32:23 ↗ to do a $60 million package now right

1:32:27 ↗ away, we would have to add staff. We

1:32:29 ↗ would have to there there's a there's a

1:32:31 ↗ a size reality to to what it takes to

1:32:35 ↗ accomplish all of that at once. Um just

1:32:39 ↗ trying to be practical and and

1:32:41 ↗ realistic. So I I think the other the

1:32:44 ↗ other piece as we've been talking

1:32:47 ↗ something I've been envisioning in my

1:32:48 ↗ mind is um and again I'm a consultant so

1:32:52 ↗ if this is too consultant you tell me to

1:32:54 ↗ stop talking but you know very often

1:32:57 ↗ when we're trying to gather input when I

1:32:59 ↗ work with clients and trying to gather

1:33:00 ↗ input from employees or whoever um we

1:33:04 ↗ kind of clear out a space like this and

1:33:07 ↗ we do um what we call a um I'm blanking

1:33:12 ↗ uh a like a gallery walk. And so, you

1:33:15 ↗ know, if you imagine like this space

1:33:17 ↗ like with a poster of what uh you know,

1:33:23 ↗ a poster of like what the uh the egg

1:33:25 ↗ house would look like or what the fields

1:33:27 ↗ would look like or like because like we

1:33:29 ↗ go through these,

1:33:31 ↗ >> you know, even like the um uh anthology

1:33:36 ↗ linear park, uh Pickering Barn part like

1:33:39 ↗ there's a difference between seeing this

1:33:40 ↗ as bullets on a slide

1:33:42 ↗ >> to seeing like here are,

1:33:46 ↗ >> you know, 8 to 12 options and we're

1:33:48 ↗ going to invite the community in. We're

1:33:50 ↗ going to get space in the library or

1:33:52 ↗ wherever it is and invite the community

1:33:54 ↗ in and have, you know, people, you know,

1:33:57 ↗ available to answer their questions, but

1:33:59 ↗ like

1:34:00 ↗ >> post-it notes and saying, I like this, I

1:34:03 ↗ like that, you know, and it's not like a

1:34:05 ↗ scientific study, but at least it gives

1:34:08 ↗ us more data

1:34:09 ↗ >> than, you know, um, than what we have

1:34:12 ↗ now. So, you know, I just

1:34:15 ↗ >> attention.

1:34:16 ↗ >> Sorry.

1:34:16 ↗ >> It would grab my attention because

1:34:19 ↗ >> would be definitely like

1:34:21 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:34:22 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:34:23 ↗ >> I mean, I'd be I'd be curious about

1:34:26 ↗ like, you know, setting up in your

1:34:28 ↗ school cafeteria.

1:34:31 ↗ >> You know what I mean? I mean, I'm I'm

1:34:32 ↗ thinking I'm totally, you know,

1:34:36 ↗ >> and so that's why I'm wondering if but

1:34:38 ↗ I, you know, we're also running up

1:34:40 ↗ against

1:34:41 ↗ >> a a pretty quick timeline and

1:34:45 ↗ um,

1:34:47 ↗ you know, so

1:34:49 ↗ anyway,

1:34:50 ↗ >> yeah, is there time to do that? But I

1:34:53 ↗ think

1:34:55 ↗ that putting in that work early makes

1:34:57 ↗ our chances of passing uh in my opinion

1:35:01 ↗ a lot higher.

1:35:04 ↗ >> Don't don't disagree, but also know we

1:35:07 ↗ don't have all those renderings and all

1:35:09 ↗ that work

1:35:10 ↗ >> and all that all that

1:35:13 ↗ all that is needed to do well. We we

1:35:16 ↗ don't we don't have it,

1:35:18 ↗ >> you know. And so there is a a runway

1:35:21 ↗ reality, a a shot clock reality.

1:35:25 ↗ >> I kind of would wonder

1:35:27 ↗ >> I would put on the table a possibility

1:35:29 ↗ of

1:35:30 ↗ postponing

1:35:33 ↗ so that we can do that and maybe ask for

1:35:35 ↗ a higher

1:35:38 ↗ >> I I feel like we did that and sorry

1:35:41 ↗ >> then it wouldn't be a renewal.

1:35:42 ↗ >> Then it wouldn't be a renewal. It would

1:35:44 ↗ be you know 12 cents or 16 cents. Is

1:35:47 ↗ there

1:35:47 ↗ >> all good? Oh, yeah.

1:35:49 ↗ >> Thank you.

1:35:50 ↗ >> To your knowledge, I don't have this

1:35:53 ↗ knowledge. I don't recall slide.

1:35:56 ↗ >> Is there anything other than isqua

1:36:00 ↗ school related

1:36:02 ↗ bonds and levies

1:36:04 ↗ that voters have had in the last five

1:36:06 ↗ years specific to Isiqua versus like

1:36:09 ↗ King County?

1:36:12 ↗ >> Uh things that have gone to the Isiqua

1:36:14 ↗ voters. Um other than the other than the

1:36:19 ↗ school to school bonds and then the

1:36:21 ↗ current levy, there was a last five

1:36:24 ↗ years. No, post pandemic. There was a

1:36:27 ↗ transportation bond that city of Isqua

1:36:30 ↗ took to voters

1:36:32 ↗ 20 I got here in 2016. I think it was

1:36:35 ↗ 2017.

1:36:36 ↗ Does that feel about right? Those of you

1:36:38 ↗ that might remember um

1:36:41 ↗ that that failed. Um, and I think for a

1:36:45 ↗ variety of reasons it it failed. Um,

1:36:51 ↗ >> so in terms of cuz you're like just one

1:36:54 ↗ of the things you had in your three

1:36:55 ↗ bullet points of like do you support

1:36:57 ↗ what we're trying to do here? Do you

1:36:58 ↗ have any feedback, etc.?

1:36:59 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:37:00 ↗ >> And understanding that, you know, the

1:37:02 ↗ feedback I have comes from the fact that

1:37:04 ↗ I'm already on the park board, so my

1:37:05 ↗ keen interest is in parking and

1:37:07 ↗ recreation and open spaces and trails.

1:37:10 ↗ And so like to me I'm like

1:37:13 ↗ in my time other than the school stuff I

1:37:15 ↗ haven't seen anything that's gone out to

1:37:16 ↗ the community other than King County

1:37:18 ↗ said we want more money from you. Can

1:37:20 ↗ you provide this? And

1:37:23 ↗ I I would believe that you could get

1:37:25 ↗ your 16 cents if I'm being completely

1:37:27 ↗ honest. But I might have those

1:37:29 ↗ rosecolored glasses. Uh if you told the

1:37:33 ↗ people you're already paying eight and

1:37:35 ↗ we're just trying to get them look for

1:37:36 ↗ 16. Can you make it happen? That being

1:37:38 ↗ said,

1:37:41 ↗ I I like a a road easier to travel.

1:37:45 ↗ >> So, if the request is nothing's going to

1:37:48 ↗ change for you

1:37:51 ↗ and you'll still get all these things,

1:37:54 ↗ cool. I think you're going to get much

1:37:56 ↗ more. I think the chance of having

1:37:59 ↗ success at that is significantly higher.

1:38:02 ↗ Even though

1:38:04 ↗ the really cool things you could do with

1:38:05 ↗ double

1:38:07 ↗ I think the problem is we don't have the

1:38:09 ↗ data to know how many right like so

1:38:12 ↗ because like I'm kind of with you I'm

1:38:13 ↗ like okay if somebody is already I think

1:38:15 ↗ the people who are going to vote no on

1:38:16 ↗ the parts are going to vote no matter

1:38:18 ↗ how much it is.

1:38:19 ↗ >> Yeah. But the question you'd have to

1:38:21 ↗ figure out is the margin of the people

1:38:22 ↗ who the 8 to 12 matters and I don't know

1:38:24 ↗ how big that number is because I also

1:38:26 ↗ think to your point there's a whole

1:38:27 ↗ bunch of people who was like eight is 12

1:38:29 ↗ and 16 I always picks I don't know how

1:38:32 ↗ big each of those buckkins are like

1:38:35 ↗ >> and we don't either

1:38:39 ↗ >> well and I feel like the word renewal

1:38:41 ↗ right like nothing's going to change

1:38:43 ↗ like that I feel like that moves the

1:38:46 ↗ ticker

1:38:47 ↗ >> well it's the easiest solution

1:38:49 ↗ >> and that's I think why the mayor is

1:38:51 ↗ jumping on this part.

1:38:53 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:38:53 ↗ >> Right. The mayor is like this is a

1:38:54 ↗ moment time that we can jump on. This is

1:38:56 ↗ when you'll have the word.

1:38:58 ↗ >> I think that's to your point exactly

1:39:00 ↗ like if you're asking for not me as

1:39:04 ↗ board chair's recommendation but me just

1:39:05 ↗ right Olson citizen sitting across from

1:39:07 ↗ you that has interest in this is like I

1:39:10 ↗ think I'd fully support just the renewal

1:39:13 ↗ in its space by itself. one also then I

1:39:17 ↗ think um

1:39:20 ↗ okay I'll put on a little bit of a

1:39:22 ↗ campaign hat but then as the person

1:39:24 ↗ that's the new mayor of the city can

1:39:25 ↗ come in and say I'm not asking anything

1:39:27 ↗ else from you than you're already

1:39:28 ↗ providing and I can do these things for

1:39:30 ↗ you and deliver and

1:39:34 ↗ right now those goals align with what

1:39:36 ↗ we're sitting here on this board talking

1:39:38 ↗ about because we already have interest

1:39:39 ↗ in park and trails such and so I think

1:39:42 ↗ from like that lens of hey it's Well,

1:39:45 ↗ you're already paying for this. Let's

1:39:46 ↗ make it happen. Is it's an easier

1:39:50 ↗ campaign hat to hold on to or a sign to

1:39:53 ↗ wave at the corner of Front Street,

1:39:55 ↗ >> you know, whatever is

1:39:57 ↗ >> like, you know,

1:39:59 ↗ >> it's an it's it's an ass. It's an

1:40:01 ↗ ambitious ass, but it feels safer.

1:40:03 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:40:04 ↗ >> Without having all the D because again,

1:40:06 ↗ we're we're

1:40:08 ↗ >> I'll be honest with you all. I'll be

1:40:09 ↗ honest with the community. I'll be

1:40:10 ↗ honest with K. We're we're pursuing this

1:40:12 ↗ without the data.

1:40:15 ↗ Right. We're doing this on gut. Um, and

1:40:18 ↗ I think it's a good gut. The projects

1:40:20 ↗ aren't guts. The projects are directly

1:40:22 ↗ out of what the community has told us is

1:40:25 ↗ really important to them. And the

1:40:27 ↗ community said, "Hey, we we want these

1:40:30 ↗ reinvestments. We want this type of

1:40:32 ↗ redevelopment our park system." That's

1:40:34 ↗ the least gut part that I think we're so

1:40:38 ↗ we're really I feel solid that what

1:40:40 ↗ we're proposing is of strong interest in

1:40:43 ↗ this community. The gut is how much.

1:40:49 ↗ So thank you all of you for this. So

1:40:51 ↗ this is really good and why I think at

1:40:54 ↗ that gut why again as as mayor um and

1:40:58 ↗ administration the feeling is

1:41:01 ↗ 8 cents feels like the the

1:41:07 ↗ the safer simpler message to package

1:41:11 ↗ >> safe and it's simple but it's not going

1:41:13 ↗ to elevate it.

1:41:15 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:41:15 ↗ >> Right. Like so I think it's like we're

1:41:16 ↗ going to maintain status quo

1:41:18 ↗ >> pack household. I feel like that's

1:41:20 ↗ jewelry eyes. Like that's

1:41:22 ↗ >> I think that Yeah, I think it will

1:41:24 ↗ elevate, right? It's not You're right.

1:41:26 ↗ It's not a expanded pool,

1:41:28 ↗ >> but like the level set expectations

1:41:30 ↗ drive around here. If I'm new and I'm

1:41:32 ↗ moving, I'm going to be like, "Oh, I'm

1:41:33 ↗ manag

1:41:37 ↗ >> like what we're planning to hear is just

1:41:38 ↗ going to maybe get keep us somewhat at

1:41:41 ↗ par, maybe a little under my

1:41:43 ↗ perspective." Well,

1:41:44 ↗ >> that's fair. That's safe. I I think it's

1:41:46 ↗ getting our part our

1:41:50 ↗ say this. I'm the parks director. The

1:41:52 ↗ TV's on. Hi, everybody. Yeah. Our our

1:41:55 ↗ the functionality of our city park

1:41:58 ↗ system is below par.

1:42:00 ↗ >> Oh, absolutely.

1:42:01 ↗ >> It is. It has been for decades.

1:42:04 ↗ >> It has. So, so, so I can tell you all as

1:42:07 ↗ a park professional, we are we are

1:42:09 ↗ playing catchup and we've been playing

1:42:11 ↗ catchup

1:42:13 ↗ >> for a long time. In eight sense, eight

1:42:15 ↗ sense, I'd say there's a degree of

1:42:17 ↗ catch-up, but it's you're right. This

1:42:20 ↗ isn't moving

1:42:22 ↗ the park system to a super high degree

1:42:26 ↗ of functionality all at once. But I

1:42:29 ↗ think it's saying, "Hey voters, here's a

1:42:31 ↗ rate that you've been comfortable with.

1:42:34 ↗ Um, do you consider reinvesting at that

1:42:37 ↗ rate in a from January 1st to November

1:42:42 ↗ 8th?" That's a really small window to

1:42:45 ↗ try and say, hey, do we, you know, what

1:42:48 ↗ do we ask the voters for? It does feel

1:42:54 ↗ the safest. There's nothing sure at 60%,

1:42:57 ↗ but it feels more sure than building a

1:43:00 ↗ compelling case to say, "Hey, we'd love

1:43:02 ↗ you to double that rate." That feels, as

1:43:05 ↗ a professional, that feels super risky.

1:43:09 ↗ And I could be totally wrong. And if you

1:43:12 ↗ all think differently or or or feel like

1:43:15 ↗ 60% of your community is ready to to do

1:43:18 ↗ that, um I

1:43:22 ↗ >> Well, didn't the school bonds also not

1:43:24 ↗ passed because people felt like there

1:43:26 ↗ wasn't enough information or wasn't like

1:43:29 ↗ it wasn't built on enough foundational

1:43:31 ↗ information.

1:43:34 ↗ There were a lot of

1:43:36 ↗ >> Yeah, it was it was mismanagement funds

1:43:39 ↗ and a few articles came out in the

1:43:41 ↗ Seattle Times about you know the

1:43:44 ↗ mismanaging

1:43:45 ↗ >> especially the high school

1:43:46 ↗ >> there's additional funding needed for

1:43:48 ↗ the same project.

1:43:50 ↗ >> Okay. So it's not like can't parallel

1:43:53 ↗ >> in the price of

1:43:56 ↗ >> I think what we'd be asking voters for

1:43:58 ↗ is we're not asking to fund something

1:44:01 ↗ that hey we already came to you and said

1:44:03 ↗ you were going to fund and they just

1:44:04 ↗ need a little bit more money. So I I

1:44:06 ↗ don't think this ask is a parallel with

1:44:09 ↗ the context right plus the is school

1:44:12 ↗ district

1:44:13 ↗ that that voter base is half of Samish

1:44:16 ↗ all of Isiqua part of Belleview part of

1:44:18 ↗ Reton right I mean is school district is

1:44:22 ↗ >> know that

1:44:22 ↗ >> much bigger

1:44:24 ↗ >> much bigger than city

1:44:27 ↗ >> skyline high school all the way to

1:44:29 ↗ Liberty you know

1:44:30 ↗ >> Samish is cut in half like Washington

1:44:32 ↗ school district and school district meet

1:44:34 ↗ right in the middle of

1:44:37 ↗ >> Skyland and East Lake are practically if

1:44:39 ↗ you consider in the same district.

1:44:41 ↗ >> Well, you throw East Catholic right

1:44:43 ↗ between those three. It's it's high

1:44:44 ↗ school.

1:44:46 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:44:46 ↗ >> Anyways,

1:44:47 ↗ >> fun facts.

1:44:48 ↗ >> I could jump in,

1:44:49 ↗ >> please.

1:44:50 ↗ >> I would love, you know, you know, I

1:44:53 ↗ would love to

1:44:55 ↗ fund enough for Tibbitz and an aquatic

1:44:57 ↗ center and, you know, kind of this grand

1:44:59 ↗ vision. Uh but I just listening and then

1:45:04 ↗ thinking I think there's going to be one

1:45:05 ↗ word that is huge in this next

1:45:08 ↗ collection that's affordability.

1:45:11 ↗ And I and as much as I would love to go,

1:45:15 ↗ you know, say let's go for something

1:45:16 ↗ bigger. uh the the 8 cent 8% and renewal

1:45:22 ↗ only might uh do better when that's that

1:45:28 ↗ one word is going to be thrown about

1:45:30 ↗ affordability next election probably the

1:45:33 ↗ biggest word that we're going to hear or

1:45:34 ↗ the most common

1:45:40 ↗ really good points

1:45:42 ↗ so we're almost at time this has been a

1:45:44 ↗ great discussion thank you all Um, I can

1:45:48 ↗ please, you know,

1:45:50 ↗ um, as far as vision statement, I'm not

1:45:53 ↗ I'm not going to read that. Um, please

1:45:56 ↗ take the time to look at the slides. Um,

1:45:58 ↗ what we really tried to do with staff is

1:46:00 ↗ pull right out of page 10 of the park

1:46:03 ↗ plan. The the core values and the vision

1:46:05 ↗ that came from all of that community

1:46:07 ↗ outreach and all that work with you

1:46:09 ↗ around those key words of connectivity,

1:46:12 ↗ vibrancy, balance, and resiliency. Um um

1:46:16 ↗ understanding um park bonds have been a

1:46:20 ↗ history in this community for funding

1:46:22 ↗ park projects. Um we really think it it

1:46:25 ↗ it it lends to a vision for this

1:46:28 ↗ renewal. Um that can all be word smith.

1:46:31 ↗ That's not meant to be the final uh

1:46:33 ↗ vision. You know, again, if this is

1:46:35 ↗ something council um says yes to and and

1:46:38 ↗ and passes a resolution, there's going

1:46:41 ↗ to be really a lot of time this summer,

1:46:44 ↗ June, July, um that would need to be in

1:46:47 ↗ forming a citizen group and that citizen

1:46:48 ↗ group really starting to do that

1:46:50 ↗ visioning work and and building those

1:46:52 ↗ compelling stories. We as staff coming

1:46:54 ↗ alongside and helping provide

1:46:56 ↗ information um to to all that to all

1:47:00 ↗ that work. So, um,

1:47:03 ↗ thoughts, questions, comments? Um, just

1:47:07 ↗ want to I I haven't had my eyes on the

1:47:10 ↗ screen. I just want to see Dan, did you

1:47:12 ↗ have a hand up a little bit ago and I

1:47:14 ↗ missed that?

1:47:16 ↗ I was peeking at something and I saw

1:47:18 ↗ Jeff drop off and I didn't know there's

1:47:21 ↗ a hand up or not.

1:47:26 ↗ doesn't look like

1:47:27 ↗ >> make sure I didn't miss something

1:47:28 ↗ because I didn't have my I was looking

1:47:31 ↗ this way for a little while.

1:47:33 ↗ >> When is meeting tomorrow?

1:47:36 ↗ >> What's that?

1:47:37 ↗ >> The meeting for tomorrow.

1:47:39 ↗ >> Absolutely. It's 6:30 um at the city

1:47:43 ↗ council chambers aka city hall south um

1:47:47 ↗ south side of sunset.

1:47:50 ↗ Yes, there's public comment. Um please

1:47:53 ↗ come. There'll be public comment at the

1:47:54 ↗ beginning of the meeting. Uh there's an

1:47:56 ↗ agenda item before ours that I think is

1:47:58 ↗ is intended to go like 45 minutes. So

1:48:02 ↗ this discussion won't start till

1:48:04 ↗ probably 7:15.

1:48:06 ↗ Um there'll be u room uh for public

1:48:11 ↗ comment um in this item too after the

1:48:14 ↗ staff presentation and council

1:48:16 ↗ discussion. So, um you could be there on

1:48:19 ↗ the front end of the meeting to provide

1:48:20 ↗ public comment or um provide your public

1:48:23 ↗ comment during the um the the topic of

1:48:27 ↗ this conversation. Um the chair of the

1:48:30 ↗ safety services committee is um council

1:48:33 ↗ member Adair um

1:48:36 ↗ former former park board member. So um

1:48:40 ↗ you know Paul he'll he will create a

1:48:42 ↗ very safe space for any and all any and

1:48:45 ↗ all public comment. So um

1:48:50 ↗ >> well all the council members I don't

1:48:52 ↗ mean to say any of them would but um

1:48:55 ↗ >> I'm sure he would wave and say hi and

1:48:58 ↗ happy to happy to see you all.

1:49:01 ↗ I think it's important. I do know that,

1:49:03 ↗ you know, as as these these projects

1:49:06 ↗ have drawn interest from Israel Alps

1:49:08 ↗ Trails Club, uh the pickle ball

1:49:10 ↗ community, um any number the historical

1:49:13 ↗ museum, uh so um it's certainly the

1:49:16 ↗ thought that there will be other

1:49:17 ↗ residents there that will be providing

1:49:19 ↗ some of their context and comments,

1:49:22 ↗ which again I think is so so important.

1:49:24 ↗ The council really deserves and needs to

1:49:27 ↗ hear from residents. Um,

1:49:30 ↗ I have a role to play, but my role can't

1:49:32 ↗ be the and shouldn't be the community

1:49:35 ↗ voice. It's it's not your voice is far

1:49:38 ↗ more important than mine in a lot of

1:49:40 ↗ these things. So,

1:49:44 ↗ >> cool. Um, were there any additional

1:49:48 ↗ answers or feedback on these?

1:49:51 ↗ If not, do we want to

1:49:54 ↗ log on reports

1:49:56 ↗ to the feels like

1:49:59 ↗ one of your questions is do we as a

1:50:01 ↗ group have

1:50:05 ↗ >> I think we're all aligned on eight but

1:50:07 ↗ think maybe there's room for more

1:50:13 ↗ >> eight or maybe it's an eight plus dot.

1:50:16 ↗ >> Okay.

1:50:17 ↗ >> Yeah. And it's not I'm not forcing or

1:50:19 ↗ want you to feel forced to to take an

1:50:21 ↗ action tonight, you know. I I do think

1:50:23 ↗ that whether it's May 18th and I won't

1:50:26 ↗ be here, you know, and and but Robin

1:50:28 ↗ will be at the meeting tomorrow night.

1:50:31 ↗ Robin and Laura will be um at the

1:50:34 ↗ meeting on the 18th. Uh you'll be

1:50:36 ↗ talking park rules. Uh a lot of that

1:50:38 ↗ will come back from the survey, but

1:50:40 ↗ there'll be room also for park bond

1:50:43 ↗ renewal conversations. So, um um

1:50:47 ↗ ideally, you know, there it would be

1:50:49 ↗ nice to have some degree of I think

1:50:51 ↗ council's going to ask for some type of

1:50:53 ↗ park board recommendation here towards

1:50:57 ↗ that end of May because they'll have a

1:50:59 ↗ decision point they really need to make

1:51:00 ↗ by June for us to begin lining up,

1:51:03 ↗ getting stuff to King County elections

1:51:05 ↗ and all all the mechanics that go with

1:51:08 ↗ um taking something to a to a ballot. So

1:51:14 ↗ again, thank you. I can't I can't thank

1:51:15 ↗ you all enough for just this really good

1:51:18 ↗ conversation.

1:51:21 ↗ >> Reporting close out this is if I I'm was

1:51:24 ↗ looking on the site for a song copy of

1:51:27 ↗ your uh big packet there. The uh is that

1:51:30 ↗ the plan?

1:51:31 ↗ >> Oh, the park plan.

1:51:32 ↗ >> Yeah.

1:51:33 ↗ >> I'm trying to find it. Can somebody send

1:51:34 ↗ a PDF the group just to

1:51:37 ↗ >> Absolutely.

1:51:38 ↗ >> Yeah. I I I I may have it somewhere, but

1:51:41 ↗ I looked on the website. I don't see it.

1:51:44 ↗ >> It's there. It's probably stuck in the

1:51:46 ↗ labyrinth, but yeah. Yeah. Laura, I will

1:51:48 ↗ send you all a PDF of this whole

1:51:50 ↗ >> Thank you. Is that that

1:51:54 ↗ >> great Thank you. Thank you, chair.

1:51:58 ↗ >> Did you Did you have Will you have the

1:52:00 ↗ floor? Did you have any other reporting

1:52:02 ↗ that he like to

1:52:05 ↗ bless us with?

1:52:06 ↗ >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for most

1:52:08 ↗ of you that were able to come to the

1:52:09 ↗ dock park ribbon cutting. There's a

1:52:11 ↗ video out. I was going to show it

1:52:13 ↗ tonight. If you haven't seen it, please

1:52:15 ↗ take a look at it. Um that was a really

1:52:17 ↗ funny thing. And Bug Bug Chris's dog was

1:52:20 ↗ the star of the

1:52:23 ↗ >> completely. And as far and the star of

1:52:25 ↗ the video, um yes, tough when a dog gets

1:52:29 ↗ a big head. I I hope dog is still

1:52:31 ↗ behaving now.

1:52:34 ↗ Um but no, thank you all and and the

1:52:36 ↗ community has has loved that investment.

1:52:39 ↗ Um

1:52:39 ↗ >> it's been really fun to go as a park

1:52:41 ↗ board member and then talk to um you

1:52:44 ↗ know just our citizens if you will and

1:52:48 ↗ there there's been some really positive

1:52:50 ↗ feedback.

1:52:51 ↗ >> That's great to hear

1:52:54 ↗ and and I I I will connect it to I think

1:52:56 ↗ this question we're asking.

1:53:01 ↗ Yeah. just injecting my park

1:53:04 ↗ professional perspective. Big projects

1:53:06 ↗ are compelling. They're rich. They're

1:53:10 ↗ wonderful to aspire to and we want to

1:53:12 ↗ still aspire to them. But medium-sized

1:53:15 ↗ projects, smallsiz projects can make a a

1:53:19 ↗ huge difference in the function of a

1:53:22 ↗ system. And I know they don't feel like

1:53:24 ↗ they move the needle much, but

1:53:27 ↗ to see these little investments we've

1:53:29 ↗ made and how they've moved the needle.

1:53:31 ↗ Um,

1:53:33 ↗ we can continue to move the needle and

1:53:35 ↗ probably not catch up. I'm going to get

1:53:37 ↗ Marlene when I made I made the comment.

1:53:39 ↗ We are our park system is behind,

1:53:43 ↗ but I I I think there's ways we can

1:53:46 ↗ catch up and ask the community to to to

1:53:49 ↗ keep furthering their investments.

1:53:53 ↗ So that's it for director. Thank you.

1:53:57 ↗ >> Let's move over to our youth

1:53:58 ↗ representative. Nick, what do you got

1:54:00 ↗ for us?

1:54:01 ↗ >> Oh yeah. Um first to uh you know make it

1:54:04 ↗ last comment in the room. I just uh yeah

1:54:07 ↗ I think it's a it's almost like a step

1:54:09 ↗ in the right direction and well

1:54:11 ↗ obviously it takes time for any uh

1:54:14 ↗ system to catch up you know. I think

1:54:16 ↗ it's just a good step in the direction.

1:54:19 ↗ Um, so I think you know just the bonus

1:54:21 ↗ note that's one positive step in the

1:54:23 ↗ right direction but it won't affect your

1:54:25 ↗ portability I think is will make it help

1:54:29 ↗ hopefully make it pass.

1:54:31 ↗ Um, and then in two weeks uh me and

1:54:34 ↗ Robin are actually planning to present

1:54:36 ↗ my capstone project um to the park

1:54:39 ↗ board.

1:54:40 ↗ >> So yeah, I guess stay tuned for that.

1:54:44 ↗ >> Thank you Nick. Thank you. I'm sorry I'm

1:54:46 ↗ going to miss it, but thank you for your

1:54:48 ↗ work you've done with Rob. I know

1:54:50 ↗ >> the presentation will be great.

1:54:53 ↗ >> Thank you.

1:54:56 ↗ >> Very cool. Um I do not have anything

1:54:59 ↗ specific. I did lead at the beginning of

1:55:00 ↗ the meeting um that we'll be voting for

1:55:03 ↗ new or replacement or the same chair and

1:55:07 ↗ vice chair next week uh next meeting.

1:55:09 ↗ So, if you do have uh uh interest in any

1:55:12 ↗ of that and have um want to know what

1:55:16 ↗ the commitment is, for those of you that

1:55:18 ↗ may have interest, feel free to just

1:55:20 ↗ email me um or give me a call or shoot

1:55:22 ↗ me a text and I can kind of give you

1:55:23 ↗ more of a fill in on what commitment

1:55:26 ↗ that looks like. Um and and what you

1:55:30 ↗ could expect if you want to step into

1:55:31 ↗ one of those roles. And I know having

1:55:34 ↗ sat through a couple of these now, uh,

1:55:38 ↗ if everyone's like, "Just do it again."

1:55:40 ↗ You don't have to worry about it when

1:55:42 ↗ they get there. You can just say, "Do it

1:55:43 ↗ again or you can take a roll." So, I'll

1:55:45 ↗ just put that out there because it seems

1:55:46 ↗ like it seems like the last couple times

1:55:49 ↗ there's been like this stare around the

1:55:50 ↗ room where

1:55:52 ↗ you now. So,

1:55:56 ↗ I'm perfectly happy either way. And I

1:55:59 ↗ can't speak for David, but I'm I'm sure

1:56:01 ↗ he would say the same. Um, or we'd love

1:56:03 ↗ to have someone else take the helm or

1:56:05 ↗ the vice helm

1:56:07 ↗ and rotate it through. It's it's as

1:56:10 ↗ persons on this board and committee.

1:56:12 ↗ It's fun to be a part of the community.

1:56:14 ↗ Um, and get to see what we're working on

1:56:17 ↗ in these manners and not just, you know,

1:56:20 ↗ uh, seeing it when the changes happen,

1:56:22 ↗ but getting a little more peel back at

1:56:24 ↗ the cover as chair, vice chair is great,

1:56:27 ↗ too.

1:56:29 ↗ Um, is there any other items that

1:56:32 ↗ anybody has to discuss at the last

1:56:36 ↗ little bit here?

1:56:41 ↗ Excellent. Again, thank you public

1:56:43 ↗ commenters. We really appreciate the

1:56:45 ↗ feedback. Um, our next meeting has

1:56:47 ↗ already been discussed multiple times

1:56:49 ↗ here, but May 18th. Um, for those of you

1:56:52 ↗ that can attend the U committee meeting

1:56:54 ↗ tomorrow, that's wonderful. Thank you.

1:56:57 ↗ Um, with no further business at 8:56 on

1:57:01 ↗ Monday, May 4th, this meeting is

1:57:02 ↗ adjourned.

1:57:04 ↗ >> Thank you, Brian.

1:57:07 ↗ >> Thanks everybody.

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Council / Members (13)

Katie Bell - Present

Chris Kovac - Present

David Liu - EA

Tim Motley - EA

Hannah Novakovic - Present

Ryan Olson - Present

Diana Ren - Virtual

Jane Takushi - Present

Marlene Waxse - Present

Martha Ginthner, Alternate - Present

Leah Grimmer-Gonzalez, Alternate - Absent

Jeffrey Newell, Alternate - Virtual

Nick Olson - Present

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Jeff Watling, Director, Parks & Community Services

Laura Haas, Department Operations

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